g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2006\2006-1.txt ************************************************************************ From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 1 02:06:51 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:06:51 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 with No Sound Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC61@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Hi Karl. Does the deck emmit any louder than normal buzzing sound from either the output jacks or the power supply? I can't help but think that the power supply needs some attention, may not be a big job but I think that there is some components not receiving their proper power levels. Cheers, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of karl at ibsen.us Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 6:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 with No Sound Hi, I bought a BX-300 from an eBay seller. When I bought it, I knew that it would need a new idler tire, which is not unusual. However, now that I am trying to play the deck, I'm getting no sound from either the tape-out jacks or the headphone jack. The meters are acting strangely, too. They'll stay at about four lights up from the bottom and periodically jump to the top, then return. I have tried several different tapes with the same result, plus all the tapes play OK on another deck. I have also cleaned the heads and demagnetized them. The heads themselves look to be in very good condition. The deck, too, is in very good cosmetic condition. Does anyone have any suggestions? Karl Ibsen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 1 02:58:01 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:58:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 In-Reply-To: <20051231174652.1625.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c60e76$cc107c00$12c287d9@oemcomputer> Wise words, Bala! Happy New Year. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 31 December 2005 17:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 Hi Graham, They are all awesome decks. But they have quite different sonic signatures which make them stand differenlty on each individual's personal list. The CR-7 is more voiced to compete with DAT, DCC and Compact Discs of the time. The Dragon, which came during the peak of Nakamichi's time, has a more rounder bass, and slighter warmer sound. Combined with the detail, the tight bass and warm sonic signature makes it an excellent deck for analogue fans. I feel the author (I've stopped reading Hi-Fi World although I was a religious reader during the late 90s-to them, Quad and Leak invented hi-fi and Marantz and McIntosh were non-existent) prefers the sonic sound of the CR7. Which makes him favour that deck. I've said this again, and will reiterate again - not all Naks are the same. Naks have been made to suit many types of people, many types of pockets, users.! So, like finding your life partner, you have to find your Nak. Graham found the ZX9, Alex found his Dragon and so on. Whats the best Nak to you? Thats a question only you, and your ears can answer. Wishing you a Happy New Year and Best Wishes Best Regards Bala Nelson wrote: The author of that article is one of the few people I know who actually thinks that the CR7 beats the Dragon on playback. Recording is another matter. Not having a Dragon I can't offer an opinion; however, I did have a very nice CR7 and a Transtec modified ZX9 at the same time for a while. I've kept the ZX9 and sold the CR7. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Dingle > Sent: 31 December 2! 005 05:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 > > > Yeah, a good ad, but (not to stir the pot) somewhat misleading on > the quote > from the original review (the CR-7 won over the Dragon and ZX-9 in this > one): > > http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html > > The entire paragraph reads: > > "You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - > isn't actually > the best thing the legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, > bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but > it was never > their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to the ZX-9, > and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and > sounded even better still." > > All's fair in love and auctions...... ;-) Enjoy! > >! ; Paul Dingle > Unrepentant CR-7 owner (Sanktified) > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 1 04:22:46 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 03:22:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 Message-ID: My always lovely Bala! You wrote on me... Partially is true...but remember that my 1000ZXL was "Alive"...merely for ONE week! & that was very saddly!!!. For all Nak fans...I'm stay say & writting that the "BEST" sound deliver FOR my hears the 1000ZXL deck, be also 100% sure that the lesser expensive 700ZXL was very equally to the 1000ZXL...maybe less "Features"...but reamining with the same lovely & very wide sound...and for the "More" conventional deck ones the Dragon still ON the Top! Sorry but others here in Israel I do not have the opportunity to hear or campare them! I'm speaking of WHAT I personally hear & compare here during the middle 80 were 1000ZXL versus Dragon (Not my gifted one!)...the 1000ZXL was audible far better....money apart of course!!! Have all, of you; and specially you Bala the "NEWER" married gentleman...my best wishes for this 2006 year! Blessing, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 >Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:46:52 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Graham, > > They are all awesome decks. But they have quite different >sonic signatures which make them stand differenlty on each individual's >personal list. The CR-7 is more voiced to compete with DAT, DCC and Compact >Discs of the time. The Dragon, which came during the peak of Nakamichi's >time, has a more rounder bass, and slighter warmer sound. Combined with the >detail, the tight bass and warm sonic signature makes it an excellent deck >for analogue fans. > > I feel the author (I've stopped reading Hi-Fi World although I was a >religious reader during the late 90s-to them, Quad and Leak invented hi-fi >and Marantz and McIntosh were non-existent) prefers the sonic sound of the >CR7. Which makes him favour that deck. > > I've said this again, and will reiterate again - not all Naks are the >same. Naks have been made to suit many types of people, many types of >pockets, users. So, like finding your life partner, you have to find your >Nak. Graham found the ZX9, Alex found his Dragon and so on. Whats the best >Nak to you? Thats a question only you, and your ears can answer. > > Wishing you a Happy New Year and Best Wishes > > Best Regards > Bala > >Nelson wrote: The author of that article >is one of the few people I know who actually >thinks that the CR7 beats the Dragon on playback. Recording is another >matter. Not having a Dragon I can't offer an opinion; however, I did have >a very nice CR7 and a Transtec modified ZX9 at the same time for a while. >I've kept the ZX9 and sold the CR7. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Paul Dingle > > Sent: 31 December 2005 05:48 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 > > > > > > Yeah, a good ad, but (not to stir the pot) somewhat misleading on > > the quote > > from the original review (the CR-7 won over the Dragon and ZX-9 in this > > one): > > > > http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html > > > > The entire paragraph reads: > > > > "You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - > > isn't actually > > the best thing the legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, > > bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but > > it was never > > their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to the >ZX-9, > > and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and > > sounded even better still." > > > > All's fair in love and auctions...... ;-) Enjoy! > > > > Paul Dingle > > Unrepentant CR-7 owner (Sanktified) > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 1 03:41:57 2006 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:41:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! Message-ID: Hello Nak freaks, Anyone have any experience with old-school Akai GX Chrome tapes with Nakamichi Decks ? Reliability? Sound quality? construction? If available, how do they compare to the TDK SA-X or MAXELL XLII-S? From k at ibsen.us Sun Jan 1 17:35:01 2006 From: k at ibsen.us (k) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 08:35:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: BX-300 with No Sound References: <200601011101.k01B1Bdw019237@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001c01c60ef1$c58ff150$0500a8c0@Voyager> Tom, Yes, I did notice a buzzing noise through the headphones. So the problem could be the power supply? I'll take a look to see if there is anything visible. I'd sure appreciate any suggestions about how to analyze it. I do have a service manual for the deck. I don't have a lot of skill in this area, but I have replaced PCB components, when I know which needs replacement. Thank you very much for the help. Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 3:01 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 1 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 (Nelson) > 2. That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak > (earthrite at gn.apc.org) > 3. RE: Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 4. Re: That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak > (Antoine Desch?nes) > 5. Re: That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak > (Adrian Finn) > 6. Re: Sony UX-S (Bob Petrovich) > 7. RE: BX-300 with No Sound (Thomas Siomopoulos) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:09:25 -0000 > From: "Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <00dc01c60dfa$a99a88e0$ebc887d9 at oemcomputer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The author of that article is one of the few people I know who actually > thinks that the CR7 beats the Dragon on playback. Recording is another > matter. Not having a Dragon I can't offer an opinion; however, I did > have > a very nice CR7 and a Transtec modified ZX9 at the same time for a while. > I've kept the ZX9 and sold the CR7. > > Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Paul Dingle >> Sent: 31 December 2005 05:48 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 >> >> >> Yeah, a good ad, but (not to stir the pot) somewhat misleading on >> the quote >> from the original review (the CR-7 won over the Dragon and ZX-9 in this >> one): >> >> http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html >> >> The entire paragraph reads: >> >> "You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - >> isn't actually >> the best thing the legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, >> bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but >> it was never >> their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to the >> ZX-9, >> and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and >> sounded even better still." >> >> All's fair in love and auctions...... ;-) Enjoy! >> >> Paul Dingle >> Unrepentant CR-7 owner (Sanktified) >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:52 +0000 > From: earthrite at gn.apc.org > Subject: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a > basic Nak > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > hello again Nakkers > > Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued. they had > done an amaazing job well beyond what they charged for they had > replaced the chassis case entirely with a spare one from some other > (better cared for) machine. > > this is in addition to the 3 motors, 3 belts, various caps etc > etc,spindle replace eject mods etc......... and recalibrated it > ....... cleaned the sockets and probably anything they could find to > do....... > > It behaves faultlessly BUT........ they forgot ( I assume because of > a desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to do > whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the end of > a tape ....... whether playing, recording or rewinding ....... such a > small thing but also a crucial one ..... I assume it will have to be > returned ( at some expense which I feel they should bear) to them > UNLESS you know differrent. > > Everything about their work shows their professionalism and so this > is a shame..... I have asked them if their is some tiny tweak I can > do to trigger the switch off button clicking off. The play light > goes off and one can eject but if one slots in another tape then it > starts playing > immediately one closes the door. > > However I am sure this was an oversight rather than sloppy work so I > am relaxed about it but look forward to hearing from them on their > return to work after new Year is by! > > Any suggestions welcome ........ > > The sound is absurd ........ even 'normal' cassettes from 20 years > ago from the Sony semi pro portable from 1974 sound incredible > ............... and any posh tapes I have say of live recordings are > in a wholly absurd league of fun and as predicted produce a big grin > and a sense of stunned silence ...... what is amazing is that the > info got onto the tapes but there was no way with non Nak transports > of getting the info off and into ones speakers ...... or more > importantly ones ears! > > I dont understand how the info can be got on but not off again but Im > sure glad its there to be got off now I have this effectively new > machine ...... it even smells new when it warms up......... > > If anyone out there reads this and wants to buy a Nak dont worry too > much about getting the bees knee's machines if you are mostly > interested in replaying tapes. This ancient 481z does equal CD in > pleasure and quality so any machine in really good condition will > probably equal it. Yes there are choice machines to head for but > actually a good condition Nak will blow away CD and vinyl given > decent source material and stun you into silence. A joyful and > excellent product, well made and dedicated to extracting info from > cassettes and posting it to your endorfuns > > time to go the clockwork generator is unwinding and broadband moves away! > > > Peace of the season, good will to all beings. > > Ian R > Scotland > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051231/bcf3641e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:46:52 -0800 (PST) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20051231174652.1625.qmail at web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Graham, > > They are all awesome decks. But they have quite different > sonic signatures which make them stand differenlty on each individual's > personal list. The CR-7 is more voiced to compete with DAT, DCC and > Compact Discs of the time. The Dragon, which came during the peak of > Nakamichi's time, has a more rounder bass, and slighter warmer sound. > Combined with the detail, the tight bass and warm sonic signature makes it > an excellent deck for analogue fans. > > I feel the author (I've stopped reading Hi-Fi World although I was a > religious reader during the late 90s-to them, Quad and Leak invented hi-fi > and Marantz and McIntosh were non-existent) prefers the sonic sound of the > CR7. Which makes him favour that deck. > > I've said this again, and will reiterate again - not all Naks are the > same. Naks have been made to suit many types of people, many types of > pockets, users. So, like finding your life partner, you have to find your > Nak. Graham found the ZX9, Alex found his Dragon and so on. Whats the best > Nak to you? Thats a question only you, and your ears can answer. > > Wishing you a Happy New Year and Best Wishes > > Best Regards > Bala > > Nelson wrote: The author of that article > is one of the few people I know who actually > thinks that the CR7 beats the Dragon on playback. Recording is another > matter. Not having a Dragon I can't offer an opinion; however, I did > have > a very nice CR7 and a Transtec modified ZX9 at the same time for a while. > I've kept the ZX9 and sold the CR7. > > Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Paul Dingle >> Sent: 31 December 2005 05:48 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 >> >> >> Yeah, a good ad, but (not to stir the pot) somewhat misleading on >> the quote >> from the original review (the CR-7 won over the Dragon and ZX-9 in this >> one): >> >> http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html >> >> The entire paragraph reads: >> >> "You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - >> isn't actually >> the best thing the legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, >> bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but >> it was never >> their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to the >> ZX-9, >> and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and >> sounded even better still." >> >> All's fair in love and auctions...... ;-) Enjoy! >> >> Paul Dingle >> Unrepentant CR-7 owner (Sanktified) >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051231/51656a67/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:13:32 -0500 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a > basic Nak > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <43B6BC3C.9020303 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > If there's nothing special for stopping, it's something that has to do > with the counter circuits that stops the deck. > > earthrite at gn.apc.org a écrit : >> hello again Nakkers >> >> Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued. they had >> done an amaazing job well beyond what they charged for they had >> replaced the chassis case entirely with a spare one from some other >> (better cared for) machine. >> >> this is in addition to the 3 motors, 3 belts, various caps etc >> etc,spindle replace eject mods etc......... and recalibrated it >> ....... cleaned the sockets and probably anything they could find to >> do....... >> >> It behaves faultlessly BUT........ they forgot ( I assume because of a >> desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to do >> whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the end of >> a tape ....... whether playing, recording or rewinding ....... such a >> small thing but also a crucial one ..... I assume it will have to be >> returned ( at some expense which I feel they should bear) to them >> UNLESS you know differrent. >> >> Everything about their work shows their professionalism and so this is >> a shame..... I have asked them if their is some tiny tweak I can do to >> trigger the switch off button clicking off. The play light goes off >> and one can eject but if one slots in another tape then it starts >> playing immediately >> one closes the door. >> >> However I am sure this was an oversight rather than sloppy work so I >> am relaxed about it but look forward to hearing from them on their >> return to work after new Year is by! >> >> Any suggestions welcome ........ >> >> The sound is absurd ........ even 'normal' cassettes from 20 years ago >> from the Sony semi pro portable from 1974 sound incredible >> ............... and any posh tapes I have say of live recordings are >> in a wholly absurd league of fun and as predicted produce a big grin >> and a sense of stunned silence ...... what is amazing is that the info >> got onto the tapes but there was no way with non Nak transports of >> getting the info off and into ones speakers ...... or more importantly >> ones ears! >> >> I dont understand how the info can be got on but not off again but Im >> sure glad its there to be got off now I have this effectively new >> machine ...... it even smells new when it warms up......... >> >> If anyone out there reads this and wants to buy a Nak dont worry too >> much about getting the bees knee's machines if you are mostly >> interested in replaying tapes. This ancient 481z does equal CD in >> pleasure and quality so any machine in really good condition will >> probably equal it. Yes there are choice machines to head for but >> actually a good condition Nak will blow away CD and vinyl given decent >> source material and stun you into silence. A joyful and excellent >> product, well made and dedicated to extracting info from cassettes and >> posting it to your endorfuns >> >> time to go the clockwork generator is unwinding and broadband moves >> away! >> >> >> Peace of the season, good will to all beings. >> >> Ian R >> Scotland >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:28:56 +0000 > From: Adrian Finn > Subject: Re: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a > basic Nak > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > hi ian.. > > glad you're happy with your machine.. I have a 680 with very little > use and I too am amazed at what older tape recordings can sound like.. > > It would be helpful to post how much your service / repair cost at > B&W for us UK dwellers. I've been doing the necessities with parts > from ESL labs but I'm tempted to just send it down to B&W.. > > > regards > > adrian > > On 31 Dec 2005, at 16:57, earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > >> hello again Nakkers >> >> Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued. they had >> done an amaazing job well beyond what they charged for they had >> replaced the chassis case entirely with a spare one from some other >> (better cared for) machine. >> >> this is in addition to the 3 motors, 3 belts, various caps etc >> etc,spindle replace eject mods etc......... and recalibrated >> it ....... cleaned the sockets and probably anything they could >> find to do....... >> >> It behaves faultlessly BUT........ they forgot ( I assume because >> of a desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to >> do whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the >> end of a tape ....... whether playing, recording or >> rewinding ....... such a small thing but also a crucial one ..... I >> assume it will have to be returned ( at some expense which I feel >> they should bear) to them UNLESS you know differrent. >> >> Everything about their work shows their professionalism and so this >> is a shame..... I have asked them if their is some tiny tweak I can >> do to trigger the switch off button clicking off. The play light >> goes off and one can eject but if one slots in another tape then it >> starts playing >> immediately one closes the door. >> >> However I am sure this was an oversight rather than sloppy work so >> I am relaxed about it but look forward to hearing from them on >> their return to work after new Year is by! >> >> Any suggestions welcome ........ >> >> The sound is absurd ........ even 'normal' cassettes from 20 years >> ago from the Sony semi pro portable from 1974 sound >> incredible ............... and any posh tapes I have say of live >> recordings are in a wholly absurd league of fun and as predicted >> produce a big grin and a sense of stunned silence ...... what is >> amazing is that the info got onto the tapes but there was no way >> with non Nak transports of getting the info off and into ones >> speakers ...... or more importantly ones ears! >> >> I dont understand how the info can be got on but not off again but >> Im sure glad its there to be got off now I have this effectively >> new machine ...... it even smells new when it warms up......... >> >> If anyone out there reads this and wants to buy a Nak dont worry >> too much about getting the bees knee's machines if you are mostly >> interested in replaying tapes. This ancient 481z does equal CD in >> pleasure and quality so any machine in really good condition will >> probably equal it. Yes there are choice machines to head for but >> actually a good condition Nak will blow away CD and vinyl given >> decent source material and stun you into silence. A joyful and >> excellent product, well made and dedicated to extracting info from >> cassettes and posting it to your endorfuns >> >> time to go the clockwork generator is unwinding and broadband >> moves away! >> >> >> Peace of the season, good will to all beings. >> >> Ian R >> Scotland >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:43:57 -0800 (PST) > From: Bob Petrovich > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sony UX-S > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <20051231204357.41277.qmail at web51308.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I have used Sony UX-S made in the 1990s and it was very good tape. I would > place it next to TDK SA-X.. In my experience, it was better than Maxel > XLII-S. > > I have not used this new one. Maybe it is the same tape formulation, maybe > not. Anyway, the price seems to be very good. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051231/a35f687e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:06:51 +1100 > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300 with No Sound > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC61 at mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Karl. > > Does the deck emmit any louder than normal buzzing sound from > either > the output jacks or the power supply? I can't help but think that the > power > supply needs some attention, may not be a big job but I think that there > is > some components not receiving their proper power levels. > > Cheers, > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of karl at ibsen.us > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 6:04 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 with No Sound > > > Hi, > > I bought a BX-300 from an eBay seller. When I bought it, I knew that it > would need a new idler tire, which is not unusual. > > However, now that I am trying to play the deck, I'm getting no sound from > either the tape-out jacks or the headphone jack. The meters are acting > strangely, too. They'll stay at about four lights up from the bottom and > periodically jump to the top, then return. > > I have tried several different tapes with the same result, plus all the > tapes play OK on another deck. I have also cleaned the heads and > demagnetized them. The heads themselves look to be in very good condition. > The deck, too, is in very good cosmetic condition. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > > Karl Ibsen > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060101/e253798a/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 1 > ************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/2005 > From henk.schenk at nl.ey.com Sun Jan 1 19:04:38 2006 From: henk.schenk at nl.ey.com (Henk Schenk) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:04:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Reply on Naktalk: That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak Message-ID: All Nakkers: Best wishes for 2006 and happy listening. Hello Ian, Congratulaqtions with the Nak481z. You can enjoy the music recorded on cassettes again. The phenomenon described is familiar to me. I own a few 480's and a 482, but not a 481 nor a Z version. But the basic mechanism and logic in all these machines is the same. The logic is based on the atypical 'click in type' of function buttons, although the logic is really suitable for touch control buttons (not clicking in type). The purpose of the special click in type of buttons lies in the featured timer functions. Note that there is allways a seperate button for timer function on different machines which has touch control buttons. The 480 series can dispose of the need for a seperate timer switch because the function can be clicked in. When powered up the choosen function will automatically start ! This feature plays up in the logic though, and two strange downsides appear from this. One is the awkward symbiosis with the orignal (cord type) remote control unit. The other one is the lack of click out when a function is automatically stopped by auto shut off. To be brief (?); Last time I used the 480 the same happened as you've described. I don't think this is a crucial point, because the mechanism is completely shut off !! And this is important. But only the button remains in position until one of the other buttons is pushed. Only when recording this might pose the danger of wiping a tape after recording a tape through to the very end. With play back I really like this , because at the end of the tape I turn over the tape, and voila, I starts playing immediately. Which is what I want anyway, keep the sound going. I'm not close to my machines at this point in time otherwise I would test all of the 480 series in my collection. I know at least one or some of mine work this way and I believe this is intended (as a by product by the chosen solution of the timer feature). My cent worth from Holland. kind regards, Henk Schenk > On 31 Dec 2005, at 16:57, earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > hello again Nakkers > > Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued........ >...... they forgot ( I assume because > of a desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to > do whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the > end of a tape ....... whether playing, recording or > rewinding ....... such a small thing but also a crucial one ..... I > assume it will have to be returned ( at some expense which I feel > they should bear) to them UNLESS you know differrent. =================================================================== Op dit e-mailbericht en eventuele bijbehorende attachments is een disclaimer van toepassing, die is opgenomen op onze website: http://www.ey.nl/e-maildisclaimer. 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URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Jan 1 20:25:08 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:25:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak In-Reply-To: <43B6BC3C.9020303@yahoo.ca> References: <43B6BC3C.9020303@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43B82C94.7040101@cox.net> This is the way the 480 series works. The play/rew/ff buttons latch in place when pushed and don't return until you push another button, even when the tape reaches either end and the machine automatically stops. I have two 480's and a 481 which exhibit the same behavior as your 481Z. Tim Antoine Deschênes wrote: > If there's nothing special for stopping, it's something that has to do > with the counter circuits that stops the deck. > > earthrite at gn.apc.org a écrit : > >> hello again Nakkers >> >> Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued. they had >> done an amaazing job well beyond what they charged for they had >> replaced the chassis case entirely with a spare one from some other >> (better cared for) machine. >> >> this is in addition to the 3 motors, 3 belts, various caps etc >> etc,spindle replace eject mods etc......... and recalibrated it >> ....... cleaned the sockets and probably anything they could find to >> do....... >> >> It behaves faultlessly BUT........ they forgot ( I assume because of >> a desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to do >> whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the end of >> a tape ....... whether playing, recording or rewinding ....... such a >> small thing but also a crucial one ..... I assume it will have to be >> returned ( at some expense which I feel they should bear) to them >> UNLESS you know differrent. >> >> Everything about their work shows their professionalism and so this >> is a shame..... I have asked them if their is some tiny tweak I can >> do to trigger the switch off button clicking off. The play light >> goes off and one can eject but if one slots in another tape then it >> starts playing >> immediately one closes the door. >> >> However I am sure this was an oversight rather than sloppy work so I >> am relaxed about it but look forward to hearing from them on their >> return to work after new Year is by! >> >> Any suggestions welcome ........ >> >> The sound is absurd ........ even 'normal' cassettes from 20 years >> ago from the Sony semi pro portable from 1974 sound incredible >> ............... and any posh tapes I have say of live recordings are >> in a wholly absurd league of fun and as predicted produce a big grin >> and a sense of stunned silence ...... what is amazing is that the >> info got onto the tapes but there was no way with non Nak transports >> of getting the info off and into ones speakers ...... or more >> importantly ones ears! >> >> I dont understand how the info can be got on but not off again but Im >> sure glad its there to be got off now I have this effectively new >> machine ...... it even smells new when it warms up......... >> >> If anyone out there reads this and wants to buy a Nak dont worry too >> much about getting the bees knee's machines if you are mostly >> interested in replaying tapes. This ancient 481z does equal CD in >> pleasure and quality so any machine in really good condition will >> probably equal it. Yes there are choice machines to head for but >> actually a good condition Nak will blow away CD and vinyl given >> decent source material and stun you into silence. A joyful and >> excellent product, well made and dedicated to extracting info from >> cassettes and posting it to your endorfuns >> >> time to go the clockwork generator is unwinding and broadband moves >> away! >> >> >> Peace of the season, good will to all beings. >> >> Ian R >> Scotland >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Jan 1 20:32:37 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:32:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] just doing my part to keep analog alive Message-ID: <43B82E55.1090609@cox.net> Fed my daughter's music interests with a Technics turntable and a Nak BX-300 several years back and she has continued to buy vinyl, along with CD's, and actively promotes analog recording to her friends. Most of them think she's nuts, but she doesn't care. She's moved to Chicago since and has located a great used record store there. I guess I'll have to leave my ZX-7 to her. Tim From kjbleus at charter.net Mon Jan 2 02:57:33 2006 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:57:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk New Years Greetings!!! Message-ID: <005901c60f3f$e6b5d3b0$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Wouter, and friendly NakTalkers, Its been a busy year for me, and I contributed little to NakTalk during 2005. Nevertheless.... I wanted to drop a short note into the egroup, and wish all of my good old NakTalk buddies worldwide ( and the new generation too) best wishes for a healthy and prosperous new year. Cheers!!! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bleusnakzx92004.html --- forwarded message --- --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" wrote: Marc, you're correct..... Our Nak decks are priceless, expecially when we have our own particular decks performing exactly as we want them to do for us. For you and me, its the ZX-9; for others among us, its a variety of excellent Nakamichi cassette decks. Each model has its special capabilities, and to each of us, his own expectations of what those capabilities can provide. I'd like to extend a best wishes to all NakChatters for a healthy and prosperous year 2006! Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "Marc" wrote: > > By golly, do I feel rich sometimes. The thing is, I don't plan on > selling my ZX-9 :-) > > Would you urge me to trade it for a CR-7? Some say CR-7 is the non plus ultra of Nakamichi... I sometimes have the feeling the ZX-9 is even rarer, but I'm not sure about that. I'm sure you will be K.J... > > Happy New Year to all respected Nakfans here! > > Marc > --- end forwarded message --- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Jan 2 00:15:08 2006 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:15:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Reply on Naktalk: That Scottish 481z update and a paen toeven a basic Nak References: Message-ID: <001601c60f29$359152f0$53f66391@p4c800e> Hi All, also Best wishes for 2006 from another Dutch Nak fan. It works exactly as Henk described in his mail. The button comes free as soon as another button is pushed but the mechanism is in a free state. So nothing is wrong with that. It works that way on a N480 and a N482 and also on the N481 (z). Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Henk Schenk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Reply on Naktalk: That Scottish 481z update and a paen toeven a basic Nak All Nakkers: Best wishes for 2006 and happy listening. Hello Ian, Congratulaqtions with the Nak481z. You can enjoy the music recorded on cassettes again. The phenomenon described is familiar to me. I own a few 480's and a 482, but not a 481 nor a Z version. But the basic mechanism and logic in all these machines is the same. The logic is based on the atypical 'click in type' of function buttons, although the logic is really suitable for touch control buttons (not clicking in type). The purpose of the special click in type of buttons lies in the featured timer functions. Note that there is allways a seperate button for timer function on different machines which has touch control buttons. The 480 series can dispose of the need for a seperate timer switch because the function can be clicked in. When powered up the choosen function will automatically start ! This feature plays up in the logic though, and two strange downsides appear from this. One is the awkward symbiosis with the orignal (cord type) remote control unit. The other one is the lack of click out when a function is automatically stopped by auto shut off. To be brief (?); Last time I used the 480 the same happened as you've described. I don't think this is a crucial point, because the mechanism is completely shut off !! And this is important. But only the button remains in position until one of the other buttons is pushed. Only when recording this might pose the danger of wiping a tape after recording a tape through to the very end. With play back I really like this , because at the end of the tape I turn over the tape, and voila, I starts playing immediately. Which is what I want anyway, keep the sound going. I'm not close to my machines at this point in time otherwise I would test all of the 480 series in my collection. I know at least one or some of mine work this way and I believe this is intended (as a by product by the chosen solution of the timer feature). My cent worth from Holland. kind regards, Henk Schenk > On 31 Dec 2005, at 16:57, earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > hello again Nakkers > > Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued........ >...... they forgot ( I assume because > of a desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to > do whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the > end of a tape ....... whether playing, recording or > rewinding ....... such a small thing but also a crucial one ..... I > assume it will have to be returned ( at some expense which I feel > they should bear) to them UNLESS you know differrent. =================================================================== Op dit e-mailbericht en eventuele bijbehorende attachments is een disclaimer van toepassing, die is opgenomen op onze website: http://www.ey.nl/e-maildisclaimer. 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URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Mon Jan 2 01:42:43 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:42:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Scottish 481z - B&W and that end of tape failure to clik off. Message-ID: Hi Antoine Thanks for that reply ...... and your good English language efforts. However in this quote from you below you are somewhat economic with the details.... :-) Do I understand that your view is that a to fix the end of tape switch off problem circuit is going to need attention to sort the problem? I had hoped there was a tension adjuster of some sort .......a mechanical rather than electronic solution! That a Nak klutz like this person could do I loved the threads about NAK decks tailored towards certain sound signatures CR7 to DAT and CD, Dragon to something else...... I wonder if I'll ever find a ZX9 ........ I think thats the sound I would go for ........ since getting the deck back the cd player is in retirement. Hi Adrian regarding the costs......... I shared these before Christmass, the cost including transport was £190 including VAT ...... but B&W will give you a ball park figure just phoning up and then a precise price after evaluating the machine on the bench ....... I was asked to authorise the actual cost before they went ahead so one always knows where on is with them and the costs I hope this helps Peace Ian >From: Antoine Deschines >Subject: Re: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update >and a paen to even a basic Nak >If there's nothing special for stopping, it's something that has to do > with the counter circuits that stops the deck. From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Mon Jan 2 02:00:47 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:00:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Whats better than two Nak.Rx 303's? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846493691&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 Whats better than two Nak RX303's?... Easy!, THREE Rx-303's! What to do with all these 303's!?!!. Some problem huh? Looking forward to the arrival of this one i just one about 30 minutes ago.Hope it hasnt been used to death, but i guess it might have been by now. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From daveharris at clear.net.nz Mon Jan 2 02:44:39 2006 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:44:39 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Chrome Tapes in New Zealand References: <200512310011.jBV0Bs71018452@zxe.naks.com> <000c01c60dcd$ba415b60$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <004501c60f3e$1d94ae30$fd5d65da@riccarton.school.nz> Hi Nakkers Does anyone have a good source of chrome and or metal tapes here at the bottom of the world? Just before christmas I spotted TEAC brand hdx 1 chrome tapes at larger "The Warehouse" stores 2.99 for c60 and 3.99 for c90. I picked up one to try . The shells aren't wonderful and I had to play the tape right through both sides to stop it clacking in the shell. have only had a chace to use it in my Nak CR-1 performance was OK HF a little less sensitive than TDK SA. anyone elese tried these tapes..have an opinion. Cheers Dave From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jan 2 03:29:23 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 20:29:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] just doing my part to keep analog alive In-Reply-To: <43B82E55.1090609@cox.net> References: <43B82E55.1090609@cox.net> Message-ID: <43B89003.2000804@woods-and-waters.com> Good job, Ted! Tim Barrett wrote: > Fed my daughter's music interests with a Technics turntable and a Nak > BX-300 several years back and she has continued to buy vinyl, along with > CD's, and actively promotes analog recording to her friends. Most of > them think she's nuts, but she doesn't care. She's moved to Chicago > since and has located a great used record store there. I guess I'll > have to leave my ZX-7 to her. I hereby award you the Croix d'Analogue with Microphone Clusters. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 03:36:51 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:36:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Message-ID: Well, Just read the hi-fi world article on the cr-7 as listed, and it struck me to read that the author thinks Nak only came up up with auto-cal. on the cr-7. So he's probably never been exposed to the 700ZXE/ZXL or 1000ZXL then... There was a time when I so crazy I owned 18 different Naks; back in the days ('99) a friend and I performed a thorough (blind) test using a Michell Orbe turntable w/ SME series V tonearm (the 'nak' of turntables;-), Accuphase amp and Sonus Faber speakers, using Straightwire interconnects and speakercables. And then, the incredible all-star set-up: CR-7e, Dragon, ZX-9, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL. I found the differences between the decks to be a matter of taste rather than a difference in quality. Next to a direct rec/playback test, we also tested the recorded tapes in all the other decks. The craziest thing was the outcome: Being analog lovers, we both came up with the same result! Where the Dragon and CR-7 (with rec. cal. unit slightly modified by TvdH of Transtec) were more the analytical and clinical sounding decks, the ZXLs and foremost the ZX-9 delivered far more natural and enjoyable sound, recording on the TDK MA-XG tapes we used. With these 3 decks, one is constantly tempted to leave the monitor on 'tape' when recording from vinyl. And I just didn't have that with either the CR-7 or the Dragon. The ZX-9 is for my ears definitely the best recording deck of them all. In terms of playback, the 1000ZXL and the ZX-9, although both the CR-7 and Dragon also sounded a lot 'warmer' on tapes recorded on the ZX-9 and ZXL machines. Now I'm writing this, regret starts to come up thinking of the fact that in the end, I sold them all except the ZX-9. OK, I had to, due to $ trouble, but still... So in the end, my personal top 5: ZX-9 1000ZXL 700ZXL CR-7 Dragon But okay, it's been almost 7 years; I really hope to (at some point) get back to the position where I can rerun this Nak-lovers 'wet dream' test; maybe a nice feature on a future Nak-reunion or something;-) All the best wishes for the new year everybody; best - dr dub From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 03:38:36 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:38:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx AAA problem Message-ID: I picked up a cosmetically fine looking 670zx, but when starting tape cal., there is no sign of the AAA wanting to start. The 'play'-light keeps on flashing, thus making it impossible to finish cal. Anybody know if this is serious? Thx for yr input From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 03:41:06 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:41:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-5? 1000ZXL L LTD? Message-ID: When browsing through the site, I saw Wouter's posting, thanking somebody for sending a pic of a ZX-5 and a 1000ZXL L LTD!? Or was it just a typo? Now I'm really curious;-) From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 07:29:51 2006 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:29:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk New Years Greetings!!! In-Reply-To: <005901c60f3f$e6b5d3b0$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: Greetings, New Year's questions for ya. How do you feel about Akai GX Chrome Cassettes with Naks and their general reliability, sonic characteristics, etc.? Happy New Year, Felix >From: "KJ Bleus" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk New Years Greetings!!! >Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:57:33 -0600 > >Wouter, and friendly NakTalkers, > >Its been a busy year for me, and I contributed little to NakTalk during >2005. > >Nevertheless.... > >I wanted to drop a short note into the egroup, and wish all of my good old >NakTalk buddies >worldwide ( and the new generation too) best wishes for a healthy and >prosperous new year. > >Cheers!!! > >K.J. Bleus >Madison, Wisc USA > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bleusnakzx92004.html > > > >--- forwarded message --- > >--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" wrote: > >Marc, you're correct..... > >Our Nak decks are priceless, expecially when we have our own particular >decks performing exactly as we want them to do for us. For you and me, >its the ZX-9; for others among us, its a variety of excellent Nakamichi >cassette decks. Each model has its special capabilities, and to each >of us, his own expectations of what those capabilities can provide. > >I'd like to extend a best wishes to all NakChatters for a healthy and >prosperous year 2006! > >Regards, > >Bleus de Nakker >Madison, Wisc USA > > > >--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "Marc" wrote: > > > > By golly, do I feel rich sometimes. The thing is, I don't plan on > > selling my ZX-9 :-) > > > > Would you urge me to trade it for a CR-7? Some say CR-7 is the non >plus ultra of Nakamichi... I sometimes have the feeling the ZX-9 is >even rarer, but I'm not sure about that. I'm sure you will be K.J... > > > > Happy New Year to all respected Nakfans here! > > > > Marc > > > >--- end forwarded message --- >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 09:02:15 2006 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:02:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) References: Message-ID: Hello Alex, I wish you a Happy New Year for 2006, and maybe later for 2008 also... :-) (You were probably excited because of the last day of 2005). On the other hand, please let me know if 1968 for the Nak TriTracer 1000/II is a joke only, or your remembrance makes joke of you... Because (as far as I know) the TT1000 series were produced from 1973 (my is one of the oldest), and the TT1000/II was produced from 1978 until 1980 (look at Wouter's site). However, if ever I will be as old as you are now, I may be happy enough to hear music with my already partially deaf ears. Sorry for my awkward questions. Kind regards to you all. István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:52 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) > Hi Dave! > > First of all & MOST important...ENJOYED!!!!! > > Why you pay...is only and only important for you...there are superbly > decks, (I own a gifted Dragon!), today..& my history with Nak decks is > very long...since my first one the Legendary Tri Tracer 1000/2 during > 1968. > > Regarding ESL Labs...sorry I'm NO capable to any advice...as I live in > Israel, & I decided IF...one day my lovely Dragon will need to be > serviced...near for me is in UK by B&W Labs...I already contact them & > today they can handle my Dragon well...I'm thinking a decade more what > really will happen???. > > So money issue apart...I'm extremely happy for you! Bravo!!! > > Have a nice & productive new 2008 year! > > Be well, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Ws407c at aol.com >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: alex.cozac at gmail.com, naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) >>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:51:18 EST >> >>Hi Alex , >> >>Yup I am the nut that bought both ZX-9's off eBay , one for $1200 and the >>other for $1045.99 . Yes I paid more than they seem to be worth on the >>used >>price list's out there but I don't want to wait around to 'find' a deal , >>I want >>'em now! >> >>These tape decks are absolutely unbelievable and I never thought I would >>take a step backwards to cassette until I heard one of these. No more >>being >>trapped into the digital control thing, I can record anything I want >>without >>hassle and Enjoy super clean recordings ! >> >>I am completely electronically inclined as well as in the >>electro-mechanical >>end of these things and am looking forward to doing a full restoration on >>one of these my self. ( I need jig's :-) >> >>I might send one of my other ZX-9's in to ESLabs for a complete >>restoration >>also , for I have only heard super positive results out of people on this >>company. >> >>Yes the price seem's way high , but if you take into consideration the >>amount of work this entails ,it is money well spent. And I do not have any >>jig's >>yet. I hope to get detailed dimensions and details on jigs so I can have >>them >>made up for myself. >> >>I am so glad to have discovered this magical medium of Nakamichi cassette >>audio , as well as this group ! >> >>Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi Dave! >> >>If...you are the buyer, and replied to my mail, I will be delight! >> >>Have a nice lovely & productive new coming 2006 year! >> >>Cheers, >>ALEX! >> >>On 12/30/05, Dave wrote: >> > I'll let you know when I get it :-) >> > >> > Dave >> > >> > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, Alex Cozac wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi Bobby! >> > > >> > > You get ONLY the EXTERIOR cabinet...what happen REALLY inside...TILL >> > > you pay & get it...never any of us will be 100% sure that inside is >> > > also "SO MINT"!!! >> > > >> > > Be well! >> > > >> > > ALEX! >> > > >> > > On 11/4/05, robert_wilsonsg wrote: >> > > > Yes what a well written pitch. The deck is currently running at >> > > > about $999 and asking $1200 which in my view is god value for >> > > > somthing that achives the almost impossible and is over 20 years >> > old >> > > > in such good condition. I only hope my Dragon can fetch good money >> > > > one day - and keeps going. Its currently playing Emerson Lake and >> > > > Palmer's "Tarkus" recorded off vinyl about 15 years ago on TDK AD >> > > > and still sounds great. >> > > > >> > > > Robert >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "Alan A. Baldwin" >> > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > WOW! Right you are about how well written the ad is. >> > > > > Alan >> > > > > >> > > > > ________________________________ >> > > > > >> > > > > From: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com >> > [mailto:NakChatt at yahoogroups.com] On >> > > > > Behalf Of MrBleus >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:22 PM >> > > > > To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com >> > > > > Subject: [NakChatt] Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Here's one for auction that looks amazingly in good condition. >> > > > One >> > > > > owner, and an asking price in the clouds.... >> > > > > >> > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-ZX-9-Worlds-Best-Recorder-EVER- >> > > > > Pristine_W0QQitemZ5824253181QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> > > > > >> > > > > (cut n' paste both strings of text) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > One of the most well-written auction adverts I've seen. Great >> > > > > digital photos too. I tend to think that this seller will get >> > the >> > > > > big $$$$'s for this one. >> > > > > >> > > > > Regards, >> > > > > >> > > > > Bleus >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > exerpts from the auction advert..... >> > > > > >> > > > > Nakamichi's high-end cassette decks almost defied the laws of >> > > > physics >> > > > > and stretched the performance of the cassette medium to greater >> > > > > extents than it has ever been stretched, before or since. and >> > > > among >> > > > > the Nakamichi decks, the ZX-9 was probably the undisputed >> > pinnacle >> > > > of >> > > > > their art. To support this claim it should be noted that until >> > > > > Nakamichi closed their recording studio, they used the ZX-9 to >> > do >> > > > > their reference recording. This deck is not only beautiful >> > > > > cosemetically, but is nearly indestructable, and truely a >> > > > > multifaceted and functional piece of cassette deck >> > craftsmanship. >> > > > ES >> > > > > Labs said it has one of the lowest wow and flutter measurements >> > > > they >> > > > > have measured. >> > > > > >> > > > > Very few Nakamichi models were built to these exacting >> > standards. >> > > > One >> > > > > or two others, like the Dragon, were undeniably more >> > > > sophisticated, >> > > > > not necessarily sonically, but in their mechanical engineering. >> > > > The >> > > > > ZX-9 kept automation to a minimum, allowing hand tuning with >> > > > internal >> > > > > electronic tone generators for assistance which allowed >> > incredible >> > > > > dynamic range and a lovely "analogue" warmth that is so true to >> > > > the >> > > > > source, it is virtually indistinguishable. There is more on this >> > > > > below... >> > > > > >> > > > > The ZX-9 was in production from 1982 to 1985 and preceeded the >> > > > > Dragon. Originally based on the ZX-7, the direct drive motors of >> > > > the >> > > > > ZX-9 reduced wow and flutter to a negligible entity allowing the >> > > > > recordings to be warm, and unbelievably clean and delicate. >> > > > > >> > > > > One of the original "drawback's" to a Nakamichi machince was the >> > > > > following claim. "If you make a recording on a Nakamichi deck, >> > it >> > > > has >> > > > > to be played back on a Nakamichi deck, otherwise it won't sound >> > > > > right!" That was because the exacting standards that Nakamichi >> > > > went >> > > > > through were impossible for other manufacturers to duplicate for >> > > > some >> > > > > reason, and the fact that everyone else used bandwith boosting >> > for >> > > > > recording and the opposite for playback had a negative effect >> > on a >> > > > > tape that was recorded absolutely linearly on a Nakamichi, which >> > > > was >> > > > > what actually prompted the Dragon in the first place. It used >> > > > > Nakamichi's NAAC (Nakamichi Automatic Azimuth Control) to read >> > the >> > > > > PLAYBACK of a recorded tape, and correct the playback tapes head >> > > > > azimuth (or proper alignment) to match the tape. Since every >> > other >> > > > > deck other than Nakamichi's recorded tapes in various states of >> > > > > alignment, this supposedly corrected for that. The Dragon was >> > > > never >> > > > > perported to be the ultimate recorder, just better for playback. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ""...the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - isn't >> > > > actually >> > > > > the best thing the legendary cassette masters did. It's a big, >> > > > bold, >> > > > > lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but it >> > > was >> > > > > never their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade >> > > > went >> > > > > to the ZX-9..." Hi-Fi World >> > > > > >> > > > > Where the ZX-9 differs, is that it was designed to lay the >> > > > material >> > > > > down CORRECTLY DURING THE RECORDING phase. You don't need a >> > > > bandaid >> > > > > if there is no wound to fix! The ZX-9 provides controls that >> > > > enable >> > > > > the user to attain perfect recordings every time. The recording >> > > > head >> > > > > azimuth, recording bias, and levels can be optimally calibrated >> > > > > before starting a recording and the headroom on this machine is >> > > > like >> > > > > no other that I've experienced. >> > > > > >> > > > > When recording with metal tape, you can set the levels as high >> > as >> > > > > +8dB without encountering ANY distortion. Nakamichi actually >> > > > > recommends a high recording level when using metal tape to >> > improve >> > > > > the signal-to-noise ratio. Recordings made with normal bias tape >> > > > are >> > > > > equally good, in fact, I prefer them to standard chrome tape. >> > > > Also, >> > > > > you will be amazed how inconsistent tapes are, not only from >> > brand >> > > > to >> > > > > brand, but even from Side A to Side B! Setting up the recorder >> > to >> > > > > calibrate it to the tape is the ONLY way to get accuracy in your >> > > > > recording as it truly is calibrated for THAT SPECIFIC tape, and >> > > > > therefore you get perfect recordings, every time. >> > > > > >> > > > > This is a serious recording machine, unlike anything that has >> > been >> > > > > made or will be made for the consumer, yet, it is simple enough >> > > > for >> > > > > anyone to use. And once you make a tape on this machine, you >> > will >> > > > > understand why those who have stuck their noses up at anything >> > > > other >> > > > > than a Nak, have rightfully done so. >> > > > > >> > > > > Nobody was ever sorry they bought the best! >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > If its Nakamichi related, NakChatt is where its at in >> > cyberspace!!! >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > SPONSORED LINKS >> > > > > Audio cassette deck >> > > > > > > > > t=ms&k=Audio+cassette+deck&w1=Audio+casset >> > > > > te+deck&w2=Pro+audio&c=2&s=40&.sig=EwEbsGSnlm_iVzTsAw6SrQ> >> > Pro >> > > > > audio >> > > > > > > > > t=ms&k=Pro+audio&w1=Audio+cassette+deck&w2 >> > > > > =Pro+audio&c=2&s=40&.sig=CU5-3saP2XoDJQthF5WdjQ> >> > > > > >> > > > > ________________________________ >> > > > > >> > > > > YAHOO! 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Groups is subject to: >> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 11:23:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:23:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 670zx AAA problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060102102347.90874.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dr Dub, The AAA system belt may need to be changed. Have you taken a look inside? Regards Bala 79 Labs Tel :065-6584-2479 Mobile : 065-9351-7745 "Dr. Dub" wrote: I picked up a cosmetically fine looking 670zx, but when starting tape cal., there is no sign of the AAA wanting to start. The 'play'-light keeps on flashing, thus making it impossible to finish cal. Anybody know if this is serious? Thx for yr input ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 11:23:56 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:23:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 670zx AAA problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060102102356.90889.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dr Dub, The AAA system belt may need to be changed. Have you taken a look inside? Regards Bala 79 Labs Tel :065-6584-2479 Mobile : 065-9351-7745 "Dr. Dub" wrote: I picked up a cosmetically fine looking 670zx, but when starting tape cal., there is no sign of the AAA wanting to start. The 'play'-light keeps on flashing, thus making it impossible to finish cal. Anybody know if this is serious? Thx for yr input ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 10:01:01 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 09:01:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) Message-ID: Have a lovely & very happy 2006, my dear Istv�n! My heart fully apologies, my mistake...I buy my TT-1000/2 during 1978...and NOT as wrote by mistake 1968! I'm so glad...that you correct me...Bravo...Istv�n! Cheers, ALEX! >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) >Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:02:15 +0100 > >Hello Alex, >I wish you a Happy New Year for 2006, and maybe later for 2008 also... :-) >(You were probably excited because of the last day of 2005). > >On the other hand, please let me know if 1968 for the Nak TriTracer 1000/II >is a joke only, or your remembrance makes joke of you... >Because (as far as I know) the TT1000 series were produced from 1973 (my is >one of the oldest), and the TT1000/II was produced from 1978 until 1980 >(look at Wouter's site). > >However, if ever I will be as old as you are now, I may be happy enough to >hear music with my already partially deaf ears. > >Sorry for my awkward questions. > >Kind regards to you all. >Istv�n > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:52 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) > > >>Hi Dave! >> >>First of all & MOST important...ENJOYED!!!!! >> >>Why you pay...is only and only important for you...there are superbly >>decks, (I own a gifted Dragon!), today..& my history with Nak decks is >>very long...since my first one the Legendary Tri Tracer 1000/2 during >>1968. >> >>Regarding ESL Labs...sorry I'm NO capable to any advice...as I live in >>Israel, & I decided IF...one day my lovely Dragon will need to be >>serviced...near for me is in UK by B&W Labs...I already contact them & >>today they can handle my Dragon well...I'm thinking a decade more what >>really will happen???. >> >>So money issue apart...I'm extremely happy for you! Bravo!!! >> >>Have a nice & productive new 2008 year! >> >>Be well, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Ws407c at aol.com >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: alex.cozac at gmail.com, naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) >>>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:51:18 EST >>> >>>Hi Alex , >>> >>>Yup I am the nut that bought both ZX-9's off eBay , one for $1200 and the >>>other for $1045.99 . Yes I paid more than they seem to be worth on the >>>used >>>price list's out there but I don't want to wait around to 'find' a deal , >>>I want >>>'em now! >>> >>>These tape decks are absolutely unbelievable and I never thought I would >>>take a step backwards to cassette until I heard one of these. No more >>>being >>>trapped into the digital control thing, I can record anything I want >>>without >>>hassle and Enjoy super clean recordings ! >>> >>>I am completely electronically inclined as well as in the >>>electro-mechanical >>>end of these things and am looking forward to doing a full restoration >>>on >>>one of these my self. ( I need jig's :-) >>> >>>I might send one of my other ZX-9's in to ESLabs for a complete >>>restoration >>>also , for I have only heard super positive results out of people on this >>>company. >>> >>>Yes the price seem's way high , but if you take into consideration the >>>amount of work this entails ,it is money well spent. And I do not have >>>any jig's >>>yet. I hope to get detailed dimensions and details on jigs so I can have >>>them >>>made up for myself. >>> >>>I am so glad to have discovered this magical medium of Nakamichi >>>cassette >>>audio , as well as this group ! >>> >>>Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi Dave! >>> >>>If...you are the buyer, and replied to my mail, I will be delight! >>> >>>Have a nice lovely & productive new coming 2006 year! >>> >>>Cheers, >>>ALEX! >>> >>>On 12/30/05, Dave wrote: >>> > I'll let you know when I get it :-) >>> > >>> > Dave >>> > >>> > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, Alex Cozac wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Hi Bobby! >>> > > >>> > > You get ONLY the EXTERIOR cabinet...what happen REALLY >>>inside...TILL >>> > > you pay & get it...never any of us will be 100% sure that inside is >>> > > also "SO MINT"!!! >>> > > >>> > > Be well! >>> > > >>> > > ALEX! >>> > > >>> > > On 11/4/05, robert_wilsonsg wrote: >>> > > > Yes what a well written pitch. The deck is currently running at >>> > > > about $999 and asking $1200 which in my view is god value for >>> > > > somthing that achives the almost impossible and is over 20 years >>> > old >>> > > > in such good condition. I only hope my Dragon can fetch good >>>money >>> > > > one day - and keeps going. Its currently playing Emerson Lake and >>> > > > Palmer's "Tarkus" recorded off vinyl about 15 years ago on TDK AD >>> > > > and still sounds great. >>> > > > >>> > > > Robert >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "Alan A. Baldwin" >>> > wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > WOW! Right you are about how well written the ad is. >>> > > > > Alan >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ________________________________ >>> > > > > >>> > > > > From: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com >>> > [mailto:NakChatt at yahoogroups.com] On >>> > > > > Behalf Of MrBleus >>> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:22 PM >>> > > > > To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com >>> > > > > Subject: [NakChatt] Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Here's one for auction that looks amazingly in good condition. >>> > > > One >>> > > > > owner, and an asking price in the clouds.... >>> > > > > >>> > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-ZX-9-Worlds-Best-Recorder-EVER- >>> > > > > >>>Pristine_W0QQitemZ5824253181QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>> > > > > >>> > > > > (cut n' paste both strings of text) >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > One of the most well-written auction adverts I've seen. Great >>> > > > > digital photos too. I tend to think that this seller will get >>> > the >>> > > > > big $$$$'s for this one. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Regards, >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Bleus >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > exerpts from the auction advert..... >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Nakamichi's high-end cassette decks almost defied the laws of >>> > > > physics >>> > > > > and stretched the performance of the cassette medium to greater >>> > > > > extents than it has ever been stretched, before or since. and >>> > > > among >>> > > > > the Nakamichi decks, the ZX-9 was probably the undisputed >>> > pinnacle >>> > > > of >>> > > > > their art. To support this claim it should be noted that until >>> > > > > Nakamichi closed their recording studio, they used the ZX-9 to >>> > do >>> > > > > their reference recording. This deck is not only beautiful >>> > > > > cosemetically, but is nearly indestructable, and truely a >>> > > > > multifaceted and functional piece of cassette deck >>> > craftsmanship. >>> > > > ES >>> > > > > Labs said it has one of the lowest wow and flutter measurements >>> > > > they >>> > > > > have measured. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Very few Nakamichi models were built to these exacting >>> > standards. >>> > > > One >>> > > > > or two others, like the Dragon, were undeniably more >>> > > > sophisticated, >>> > > > > not necessarily sonically, but in their mechanical engineering. >>> > > > The >>> > > > > ZX-9 kept automation to a minimum, allowing hand tuning with >>> > > > internal >>> > > > > electronic tone generators for assistance which allowed >>> > incredible >>> > > > > dynamic range and a lovely "analogue" warmth that is so true to >>> > > > the >>> > > > > source, it is virtually indistinguishable. There is more on >>>this >>> > > > > below... >>> > > > > >>> > > > > The ZX-9 was in production from 1982 to 1985 and preceeded the >>> > > > > Dragon. Originally based on the ZX-7, the direct drive motors >>>of >>> > > > the >>> > > > > ZX-9 reduced wow and flutter to a negligible entity allowing >>>the >>> > > > > recordings to be warm, and unbelievably clean and delicate. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > One of the original "drawback's" to a Nakamichi machince was >>>the >>> > > > > following claim. "If you make a recording on a Nakamichi deck, >>> > it >>> > > > has >>> > > > > to be played back on a Nakamichi deck, otherwise it won't >>>sound >>> > > > > right!" That was because the exacting standards that Nakamichi >>> > > > went >>> > > > > through were impossible for other manufacturers to duplicate >>>for >>> > > > some >>> > > > > reason, and the fact that everyone else used bandwith boosting >>> > for >>> > > > > recording and the opposite for playback had a negative effect >>> > on a >>> > > > > tape that was recorded absolutely linearly on a Nakamichi, >>>which >>> > > > was >>> > > > > what actually prompted the Dragon in the first place. It used >>> > > > > Nakamichi's NAAC (Nakamichi Automatic Azimuth Control) to read >>> > the >>> > > > > PLAYBACK of a recorded tape, and correct the playback tapes >>>head >>> > > > > azimuth (or proper alignment) to match the tape. Since every >>> > other >>> > > > > deck other than Nakamichi's recorded tapes in various states of >>> > > > > alignment, this supposedly corrected for that. The Dragon was >>> > > > never >>> > > > > perported to be the ultimate recorder, just better for >>>playback. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ""...the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - isn't >>> > > > actually >>> > > > > the best thing the legendary cassette masters did. It's a big, >>> > > > bold, >>> > > > > lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but it > >>> > was >>> > > > > never their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade >>> > > > went >>> > > > > to the ZX-9..." Hi-Fi World >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Where the ZX-9 differs, is that it was designed to lay the >>> > > > material >>> > > > > down CORRECTLY DURING THE RECORDING phase. You don't need a >>> > > > bandaid >>> > > > > if there is no wound to fix! The ZX-9 provides controls that >>> > > > enable >>> > > > > the user to attain perfect recordings every time. The >>>recording >>> > > > head >>> > > > > azimuth, recording bias, and levels can be optimally calibrated >>> > > > > before starting a recording and the headroom on this machine is >>> > > > like >>> > > > > no other that I've experienced. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > When recording with metal tape, you can set the levels as high >>> > as >>> > > > > +8dB without encountering ANY distortion. Nakamichi actually >>> > > > > recommends a high recording level when using metal tape to >>> > improve >>> > > > > the signal-to-noise ratio. Recordings made with normal bias >>>tape >>> > > > are >>> > > > > equally good, in fact, I prefer them to standard chrome tape. >>> > > > Also, >>> > > > > you will be amazed how inconsistent tapes are, not only from >>> > brand >>> > > > to >>> > > > > brand, but even from Side A to Side B! Setting up the recorder >>> > to >>> > > > > calibrate it to the tape is the ONLY way to get accuracy in >>>your >>> > > > > recording as it truly is calibrated for THAT SPECIFIC tape, and >>> > > > > therefore you get perfect recordings, every time. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > This is a serious recording machine, unlike anything that has >>> > been >>> > > > > made or will be made for the consumer, yet, it is simple >>>enough >>> > > > for >>> > > > > anyone to use. 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Groups is subject to: >>> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 2 10:19:04 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:19:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006101c60f7d$94570f60$dfc987d9@oemcomputer> Dr. Dub wrote: > Where the Dragon and CR-7 (with rec. cal. unit slightly modified > by TvdH of > Transtec) were more the analytical and clinical sounding decks, > the ZXLs and > foremost the ZX-9 delivered far more natural and enjoyable sound, > recording > on the TDK MA-XG tapes we used. > I have a TvdH modified ZX-9. Do you have any idea of what the modification was that he did to the decks and what it did for them? I ask since I've never had a chance to compare my deck with an unmodified ZX-9. Gra' From thole at planet.nl Mon Jan 2 11:08:12 2006 From: thole at planet.nl (thole at planet.nl) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:08:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 Message-ID: <90b420390b7bf8.90b7bf890b4203@planet.nl> Ola, When I adjusted Azimuth for teh first time on my really nice Ebay zx7, I had to turn the knob more than a 2 whole turns (to the left) and finally the sign was ok. My question's: What is the normal span for this knob? Does it have a lock on the far left and right? Is it gear driven (fixed ratio) or with a kind of resistance? I assume it is mechanical is it a sign of wear that I have to turm it lot or does it just stop working completely when it gets old or abused? Do People adjust the azimuth for tapes recorded on other machines with the ZX7/9? (ie: you cant here the music while adjusting) Regards, Supertol From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 2 12:08:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:08:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B909C6.7050603@rcn.com> So far, I've kept out for this discussion. Mostly, because I now own a CR-7 and have only listened to other decks for short periods and never in an A-B comparison. As flawed as my listening tests were, to my ears, I thought the CR-7 was the most 'accurate' (others would call it 'analytical' or 'cold' or 'dry') and therefore, the closest to what I thought I would hear in the concert hall, third row center. The Dragon was a close second (but still, SECOND). Sonics of other models, including the ZX-9 (I am not sure whether I also auditioned the ZX-7), 680ZX, et al, were slightly 'bloated' (others would call them 'warm'). I disagree that this is 'natural', but certainly, preference -- either way -- is highly subjective. This is splitting hairs, as all were quite good. Bottom line: right now I wouldn't exchange my CR-7 for any other model. -- Ron Dr. Dub wrote: > Well, > Just read the hi-fi world article on the cr-7 as listed, and it struck > me to read that the author thinks Nak only came up up with auto-cal. on > the cr-7. So he's probably never been exposed to the 700ZXE/ZXL or > 1000ZXL then... > > There was a time when I so crazy I owned 18 different Naks; back in the > days ('99) a friend and I performed a thorough (blind) test using a > Michell Orbe turntable w/ SME series V tonearm (the 'nak' of > turntables;-), Accuphase amp and Sonus Faber speakers, using > Straightwire interconnects and speakercables. And then, the incredible > all-star set-up: CR-7e, Dragon, ZX-9, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL. > I found the differences between the decks to be a matter of taste rather > than a difference in quality. Next to a direct rec/playback test, we > also tested the recorded tapes in all the other decks. > > The craziest thing was the outcome: Being analog lovers, we both came up > with the same result! > Where the Dragon and CR-7 (with rec. cal. unit slightly modified by TvdH > of Transtec) were more the analytical and clinical sounding decks, the > ZXLs and foremost the ZX-9 delivered far more natural and enjoyable > sound, recording on the TDK MA-XG tapes we used. > With these 3 decks, one is constantly tempted to leave the monitor on > 'tape' when recording from vinyl. And I just didn't have that with > either the CR-7 or the Dragon. > > The ZX-9 is for my ears definitely the best recording deck of them all. > In terms of playback, the 1000ZXL and the ZX-9, although both the CR-7 > and Dragon also sounded a lot 'warmer' on tapes recorded on the ZX-9 and > ZXL machines. Now I'm writing this, regret starts to come up thinking of > the fact that in the end, I sold them all except the ZX-9. OK, I had to, > due to $ trouble, but still... > > So in the end, my personal top 5: > ZX-9 > 1000ZXL > 700ZXL > CR-7 > Dragon > > But okay, it's been almost 7 years; I really hope to (at some point) get > back to the position where I can rerun this Nak-lovers 'wet dream' test; > maybe a nice feature on a future Nak-reunion or something;-) > > All the best wishes for the new year everybody; > > best - dr dub From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 12:30:42 2006 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:30:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 References: <90b420390b7bf8.90b7bf890b4203@planet.nl> Message-ID: Hello Superthol, the ZX-series are very nice units (my opinion). My opinion also (some may not agree) that record head azimuth justage is a more important factor, than playback azimuth correction (supposed you make recordings on your deck, and usually listen to cassettes made on properly aligned decks). If you make your own records, and you use different kind of cassettes, it is a must to have this feature. I admit my RX-505 plays nice also, but far from recording capabilities of my ZX-7, because record azimuth correction is not provided (and some other calibration features also missing), it is a big handycap. As the recording head azimuth setting procedure is based on the playback-head response it is vital your playback section MUST be set correctly first. Otherwise all is for nothing, you MAY make recordings sound good on your (the same) machine, but they will be mostly poor on other units. The azimuth-justage is mechanical. A small worm-gear moves a steel tape (which is fitted in a ladder-like blue plastic), and this steel tape moves the recording head. Be very careful with setting the azimuth, as the connection between the worm-gear and the steel tape is quite weak, and it may happen they will disengage. Then you have to repair it... For this reason I heavily recommend to use the azimuth-knob very gently, do not turn it fast (let it settle), and do not turn it over (I have no data what is the range of the knob, and to be honest I do not have the intention to risk a try also). If you feel that the knob is stopped, under no circumstances turn it with force. Happy New Year! :-) István Ps.: ZX-7/9 have NO playback-azimuth correction feature. You must have a CR7, a Dragon, or a 680 series deck (am I right?) for this purpose. It is important only if you listen "alien" cassettes also. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 > Ola, > When I adjusted Azimuth for teh first time on my really nice Ebay zx7, > I had to turn the knob more than a 2 whole turns (to the left) and > finally the sign was ok. > My question's: > > What is the normal span for this knob? > > Does it have a lock on the far left and right? > > Is it gear driven (fixed ratio) or with a kind of resistance? I assume > it is mechanical > > is it a sign of wear that I have to turm it lot or does it just stop > working completely when it gets old or abused? > > Do People adjust the azimuth for tapes recorded on other machines with > the ZX7/9? (ie: you cant here the music while adjusting) > > Regards, > > Supertol > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 13:02:49 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:02:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Message-ID: Hi Ron! Try if will be possible to you to hear a GOOD 1000ZXL! After so...I'm 100% sure that you WILL NOT...listen again your CR-7. Sadly but is truth!!! The "Magical/Miracle" sound of a 100% Perfectly" aligned 1000ZXL...it's another history! Ron...No Free meals!!!! WAS the most expensive, reliability it's his MAYOR problem...BUT...BUT...the sound, only one sole word...AMAZING!!!! Ron, have a lovely & productive 2006 year! Greetings, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:08:54 -0500 > > >So far, I've kept out for this discussion. >Mostly, because I now own a CR-7 and have >only listened to other decks for short >periods and never in an A-B comparison. > >As flawed as my listening tests were, to my >ears, I thought the CR-7 was the most >'accurate' (others would call it 'analytical' >or 'cold' or 'dry') and therefore, the closest >to what I thought I would hear in the concert >hall, third row center. The Dragon was a close >second (but still, SECOND). Sonics of other >models, including the ZX-9 (I am not sure >whether I also auditioned the ZX-7), 680ZX, >et al, were slightly 'bloated' (others would >call them 'warm'). I disagree that this is >'natural', but certainly, preference -- either >way -- is highly subjective. This is splitting >hairs, as all were quite good. > >Bottom line: right now I wouldn't exchange my >CR-7 for any other model. > >-- Ron > > > > >Dr. Dub wrote: >>Well, >>Just read the hi-fi world article on the cr-7 as listed, and it struck me >>to read that the author thinks Nak only came up up with auto-cal. on the >>cr-7. So he's probably never been exposed to the 700ZXE/ZXL or 1000ZXL >>then... >> >>There was a time when I so crazy I owned 18 different Naks; back in the >>days ('99) a friend and I performed a thorough (blind) test using a >>Michell Orbe turntable w/ SME series V tonearm (the 'nak' of >>turntables;-), Accuphase amp and Sonus Faber speakers, using Straightwire >>interconnects and speakercables. And then, the incredible all-star set-up: >>CR-7e, Dragon, ZX-9, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL. >>I found the differences between the decks to be a matter of taste rather >>than a difference in quality. Next to a direct rec/playback test, we also >>tested the recorded tapes in all the other decks. >> >>The craziest thing was the outcome: Being analog lovers, we both came up >>with the same result! >>Where the Dragon and CR-7 (with rec. cal. unit slightly modified by TvdH >>of Transtec) were more the analytical and clinical sounding decks, the >>ZXLs and foremost the ZX-9 delivered far more natural and enjoyable sound, >>recording on the TDK MA-XG tapes we used. >>With these 3 decks, one is constantly tempted to leave the monitor on >>'tape' when recording from vinyl. And I just didn't have that with either >>the CR-7 or the Dragon. >> >>The ZX-9 is for my ears definitely the best recording deck of them all. In >>terms of playback, the 1000ZXL and the ZX-9, although both the CR-7 and >>Dragon also sounded a lot 'warmer' on tapes recorded on the ZX-9 and ZXL >>machines. Now I'm writing this, regret starts to come up thinking of the >>fact that in the end, I sold them all except the ZX-9. OK, I had to, due >>to $ trouble, but still... >> >>So in the end, my personal top 5: >>ZX-9 >>1000ZXL >>700ZXL >>CR-7 >>Dragon >> >>But okay, it's been almost 7 years; I really hope to (at some point) get >>back to the position where I can rerun this Nak-lovers 'wet dream' test; >>maybe a nice feature on a future Nak-reunion or something;-) >> >>All the best wishes for the new year everybody; >> >>best - dr dub >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From henk.schenk at nl.ey.com Mon Jan 2 13:38:41 2006 From: henk.schenk at nl.ey.com (Henk Schenk) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:38:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Reply on Naktalk: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 Message-ID: All Nakkers: Again best wishes for 2006 and happy listening. Hello Supertol, (is this for real?) Congratulaqtions with the ZX 7. Do not worry to much for two turns of adjustment, although it is more then usual. First: The purpose of the inclusion of this type of user-adjustment lies in the fabrication inaccuracy of the shells of the Compact Cassettes. The tolerances in production dimensions of these plastic containers have a direct effect on the tape travel, especially outside the center head aperture. This, unavoidably, has consequences for the alignment of three head tape mechanisms. (This type of alignment is superfluous for R2R, as no shell exists.) So; the required turns of the adjustment knob is directly related to the difference between the last played tape shells and the new tape you use. If it's the same brand and high quality tape the adjustment should be somewhere between zero and half a turn. If you use unfamiliar cheap tapes it might be double that amount. The quality of the tape shells might be deduced from the difference between sides A and B. Good quality shells show little assymetric measurements and the A and B side will also be half a turn difference at max. Who knows what tape was used before by the last owner, and also; who will tell he actually knew what he was doing? Second: The adjustments of the record azimuth is done pure mechanically by a gear and a connecting BOWDEN cable. This is a long cable connecting the gears form the adjustment knob and the Record Head mounting/adjusting gear. This bowden cable inevitably has some slack, which results in about a quarter turn slack on the adjustment knob. It might be more, due to wear and tear (and production tolerances once more, but now in the Nakamichi mechanism) Third: The Alignment is fine and precise. The knob runs 20 turns at least, but the working range for serious tapes should lie within 1 turn only. Fourth: The adjustment result is fed back to you on the VU meters. The VU meters themselves are rough measuring tools. The steps between digits on the meters alow for as much as half a turn, before dropping or popping up. This makes real fine adjustments a little awkward. I prefer a High Com connected to the ZX and look at the Finest Meters you will find on consumer products of all time. At last; Listening to the recording via the tape monitor very carefully will reveal the actual state of azimuth adjustment. Listen to voices panned in dead center on popular recordings and listen repeatedly for the centering of the voice before tape and after tape (headphones might help here, leading an absolute mono feed to both channels will also help). Adjust the azimuth (a few turns!) when recording and keep listening to the centered sounds changing charactiristics. Do this back and forth a few times and you will get the feel what the adjustement does and how fine you can optimise the effect. To be brief (?); Do not worry to much and do experiment somewhat. This is how we can reach the ultimate .... My cent worth from Holland. kind regards, Henk Schenk > Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:08:12 +0100 > From: thole at planet.nl Ola, When I adjusted Azimuth for teh first time on my really nice Ebay zx7, I had to turn the knob more than a 2 whole turns (to the left) and finally the sign was ok. My question's: What is the normal span for this knob? ........... =================================================================== Op dit e-mailbericht en eventuele bijbehorende attachments is een disclaimer van toepassing, die is opgenomen op onze website: http://www.ey.nl/e-maildisclaimer. 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 14:30:55 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 05:30:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <90b420390b7bf8.90b7bf890b4203@planet.nl> Message-ID: <20060102133055.63160.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Generally - if you have bought a Nak on ebay - most of them need alignment ( head and electronics). If perfectly aligned - ZX 7 azimuth will work with very slight turn ( may be one full turn in the worst case ) to get record head azimuth. Note that the Play head azimuth is assumed to be in correct location ? If not it will not play many tapes to its full potential! If you could get the azimuth to correct level , you must be happy that the ZX 7 need not immediately go to Nak service? kannan thole at planet.nl wrote: Ola, When I adjusted Azimuth for teh first time on my really nice Ebay zx7, I had to turn the knob more than a 2 whole turns (to the left) and finally the sign was ok. My question's: What is the normal span for this knob? Does it have a lock on the far left and right? Is it gear driven (fixed ratio) or with a kind of resistance? I assume it is mechanical is it a sign of wear that I have to turm it lot or does it just stop working completely when it gets old or abused? Do People adjust the azimuth for tapes recorded on other machines with the ZX7/9? (ie: you cant here the music while adjusting) Regards, Supertol ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thx for yr input ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 15:49:59 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:49:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx AAA problem Message-ID: No, I don't really dare since I'm a 2x left handed type-o-guy;-) But if you 'lead me through' I'll take the risk, ok? From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 15:53:23 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:53:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Message-ID: Hi Gra'; zx-9 was unmodified, although, when cal., i always put the rec level +1.5 (1 led full, the 2nd 'blinking') above normal, also a TvdH tip. TvdH readjusted the settings of the cal. comp.when I was there to have the idler wheel mod, however I wouldn't be able to tell you what he exactly did there. I must say it sounded a bit warmer then, not affecting the clearness of the deck;-) best - pats From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 17:13:31 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:13:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 670zx AAA problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060102161331.92025.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dr Dub, I'm left handed too :) But I'll guide you along all the same. Its easy to fix. By the way, you said you had done a run up on all the top Nak decks in the late 90s? Regards Bala 79 Labs Tel : 065-6584-2479 Mobile :065-9351-7745 "Dr. Dub" wrote: No, I don't really dare since I'm a 2x left handed type-o-guy;-) But if you 'lead me through' I'll take the risk, ok? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had hoped there was a tension adjuster of some sort .......a mechanical rather than electronic solution! That a Nak klutz like this person could do I loved the threads about NAK decks tailored towards certain sound signatures CR7 to DAT and CD, Dragon to something else...... I wonder if I'll ever find a ZX9 ........ I think thats the sound I would go for ........ since getting the deck back the cd player is in retirement. Hi Adrian regarding the costs......... I shared these before Christmass, the cost including transport was £190 including VAT ...... but B&W will give you a ball park figure just phoning up and then a precise price after evaluating the machine on the bench ....... I was asked to authorise the actual cost before they went ahead so one always knows where on is with them and the costs I hope this helps Peace Ian >From: Antoine Deschines >Subject: Re: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update >and a paen to even a basic Nak >If there's nothing special for stopping, it's something that has to do > with the counter circuits that stops the deck. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Jan 2 16:29:07 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:29:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] just doing my part to keep analog alive In-Reply-To: <43B89003.2000804@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060102152907.48199.qmail@web36210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, promoting analog to friends doesn't work. My friends are afraid to see a cassette tape... And my neighbor made his daughters listen to "big black CDs" an other day. He told that they were amazed to see that it would play on both sides and that you had to move the needle to play an other song. "Kermit V. Gray" a écrit : Good job, Ted! Tim Barrett wrote: > Fed my daughter's music interests with a Technics turntable and a Nak > BX-300 several years back and she has continued to buy vinyl, along with > CD's, and actively promotes analog recording to her friends. Most of > them think she's nuts, but she doesn't care. She's moved to Chicago > since and has located a great used record store there. I guess I'll > have to leave my ZX-7 to her. I hereby award you the Croix d'Analogue with Microphone Clusters. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Jan 2 19:36:43 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:36:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <90b420390b7bf8.90b7bf890b4203@planet.nl> Message-ID: Looks like there's already been several answers covering this, but I just wanted to say that the adjustment must be made slowely as you watch the two left - right diode lights (not the VU meters, as someone else said). Just ff the tape to about the middle, push record and pause together so that it is in record standby mode, push in the azmuth adjustment big button to start the calibration and have access to the azimuth knob, wait a few seconds for the azimuth lights to stabelize, then turn the knob in 1/4 turns in the direction away from the lit red light until the center green light glows steady. Wait a few seconds with each turn you make. Then push to release the large azimuth button, adjust your levels to 0-0, then do the bias to 0-0. Be sure you are adjusting the small knobs directly in the column under the tape type button, and horizontally in the row with the levels or bias button. The bias and levels, if they are off a lot will have to be set to a mid position then played with awhile to get them right, then I usually recheck the azimuth and do the levels and bias a final time. With all of this, be sure you have the right tape type button selected before you start and that your dolby is set to off and multiplex is off monitor is on tape position, Equilization switch is set to tape type. Hope this all helps, am on my third ZX7 and I think it's the best deck in it's price range that Nakamichi ever made. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of thole at planet.nl Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 Ola, When I adjusted Azimuth for teh first time on my really nice Ebay zx7, I had to turn the knob more than a 2 whole turns (to the left) and finally the sign was ok. My question's: What is the normal span for this knob? Does it have a lock on the far left and right? Is it gear driven (fixed ratio) or with a kind of resistance? I assume it is mechanical is it a sign of wear that I have to turm it lot or does it just stop working completely when it gets old or abused? Do People adjust the azimuth for tapes recorded on other machines with the ZX7/9? (ie: you cant here the music while adjusting) Regards, Supertol ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The only Naks that are erroneous that I know are a CR-4 & my poor 600 II. Your idea still very interessting. I think you will do better fortune by realizing audio enhancement, as making a replica of the 1000ZXL playback amp. This one will fit in any "Discrete Head Cassette Deck" of 2nd generation. It will be for sure an old dream at last made available. I wish you all the best ! Matyas ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gray) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:17:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon III - Atalanta In-Reply-To: <000a01c606ad$41b4e1c0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <000a01c606ad$41b4e1c0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <43B99866.1010404@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Robert, Thanks for the kind words! Glad to know the CDs are a hit. I have borrowed one of Ti Kan's headphone amps from a friend and I hope to listen to it soon (I'm anxious to hear it!). Intriguing design. I admire clever engineering. Good choice on your Sennheiser HD600s. Grado, AKG, and Sennheiser are about the only headphones I like the sound of. (Yikes! I ended a sentence in a preposition!) Well, Stax electrostatics, too. In the process of making the Nakathon CDs, I used AKG K240 headphones (my de facto standard since 1975), Sennheiser HD414 (remember those?), Koss Pro-4AA, and apir of some off-brand earbud, Coby, if I remember correctly. The main monitors were KVG Labs L-81G/SP midfields. Mike Moore (Atlanta Mike) picked out the selections. At first, I was dubious, but to my pleasant surpise, they worked together as a cohesive whole. Some very nonlinear thinking went into that, Mike; I always enjoy a unique concept in an album! As many of you know, the Nakathon IIIa cassettes still haven't gone out. Frankly, in contrast to the CD copies, I’m not happy with how the cassette copies of the Nakathon IIIa sound. The 600-II has been having ongoing technical problems affecting recording quality, as has the Revox B710. My 500 and both 550s seem to be running okay, though. (Special thanks to former Ampex service tech John Eider for keeping the 500 and 550s up and running while I concentrate on other projects.) The biggest concern I have, though, isn’t the sound of the cassette decks, it’s the generational losses accrued by making a copy of a copy of a copy [source CD, to the contributor’s cassette deck, to my cassette deck]. I’m able to hide any generational losses by manipulating the CD’s inherent noise and distortion floor, so that the CDs don’t feel like copies of copies. But with analog, there is no room to hide (Nak decks are so lcean as to reveal any flaws in source material). Thus, I just do not care for the sound of the Nakathon cassettes. ON ANOTHER NOTE, some one from South America had tried to contact me regarding the Nakathon CD. If you're still on the list, I haven't been ignoring you -- every time I tried to email you the mail came back as undeliverable. Contact me off-list, please. rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Kermit, Atlanta Mike, and Marathon Contributors! > > Excellent job! I finally got around to listening to the production > using a high quality DAC and one of Ti Kan's M3 ClassA headphone amps > into some Sennheiser HD-600s. > > Kermit, the mastering is excellent.....the saturation, balance, and > noise control to end up with consistent output from such divergent > sources gives it a very professional sound. > > The cut selections are great too! A definite jazz influenced rock > assemblage with a few surprises and a southern influence! How Prince > and Andrea Boccelli reside on the same album side by side may surprise > some, but it holds up well as an overall collection. > > Thanks from the San Francisco end to the Atlanta crowd and Kermit for a > job well done! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 2 22:25:48 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:25:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00c401c60fe3$198cf9a0$dfc987d9@oemcomputer> Pats? Not Mr Patrick Dokter, Nakamichi and Liverpool FC fan, by any chance?? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Dr. Dub > Sent: 02 January 2006 14:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs > > > Hi Gra'; > > zx-9 was unmodified, although, when cal., i always put the rec > level +1.5 (1 > led full, the 2nd 'blinking') above normal, also a TvdH tip. > TvdH readjusted the settings of the cal. comp.when I was there to > have the > idler wheel mod, however I wouldn't be able to tell you what he > exactly did > there. I must say it sounded a bit warmer then, not affecting the > clearness > of the deck;-) > > best - pats > From fugue4all at shaw.ca Mon Jan 2 22:38:03 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:38:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs References: <200601021525.k02FPDYW023887@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003e01c60fe4$cf6a05f0$8902a8c0@warbird> After a great deal of listening, recording, ABCD comparisons, and some real tears of sorrow (the 700ZXL was simply exquisitely coloured, and the ZX9 almost as sweet), I settled on my CR7 (a non-operating Ebay unit) and sent it to Stephen Sank for a gear upgrade, rec. eq. mod, and some improvements on the stock Dolby C circuits. From the beginning, I had concerns over the delicacy of the Dragon's NAAC due mostly to a friend's sorrowful relationship with his TD-1200II deck (my TD700 is bulletproof!). My final choice was made for recording mostly solo piano and string quartets. What many people feel is a 'clinical' sound to me is simply accurate--the machine should neither add nor take away anything sonically. The Dolby C performance on the CR7 (after Sank's modifications) is simply the best I've heard on any cassette deck, Nakamichi or otherwise. Incidentally, Sank recommended a modified Revox B215 over the CR7 for reliability, but acknowledged the Nak decks have a better sound to his ears. Why I wept is because the 700ZXL was simply gorgeous the way it coloured the pipe organ (I play a 3266 pipe Casavant "mongrel", Op.866), and both the 700ZXL and the ZX9 brought a sweetness to lute and acoustic guitar that I loved. I am aware that Nakamichi used ZX9's in their studios, and Niro Nakamichi's use of solo piano and string quartet as a kind of "acid test" for faithful reproduction is well documented (and sensible). My next deck will definitely be either a ZX9 or (now that Bala has apparently solved the problem of ZXL fragility) a 700ZXL. FWIW, the 700ZXL sounded nicer to my ears than the 1000ZXL(!), and the black/silver scheme that carried over into the later LX series is simply stunning visually! If I win the Lotto 649, I'm having one of each, and asking Kermit (nicely!) if he could find me a suitable battery of mics to satisfy what may very well be a full-blown microphone fetish ;-). A personal thanks to all on the list for the sharing of knowledge, experience and wisdom--it makes the pride of use and ownership of these wonderful machines all the more gratifying. Paul. > > So far, I've kept out for this discussion. > Mostly, because I now own a CR-7 and have > only listened to other decks for short > periods and never in an A-B comparison. > > As flawed as my listening tests were, to my > ears, I thought the CR-7 was the most > 'accurate' (others would call it 'analytical' > or 'cold' or 'dry') and therefore, the closest > to what I thought I would hear in the concert > hall, third row center. The Dragon was a close > second (but still, SECOND). Sonics of other > models, including the ZX-9 (I am not sure > whether I also auditioned the ZX-7), 680ZX, > et al, were slightly 'bloated' (others would > call them 'warm'). I disagree that this is > 'natural', but certainly, preference -- either > way -- is highly subjective. This is splitting > hairs, as all were quite good. > > Bottom line: right now I wouldn't exchange my > CR-7 for any other model. > > -- Ron -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10/218 - Release Date: 1/2/2006 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 2 22:41:40 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:41:40 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 with No Sound Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC66@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> My guess is that the primary stage of the power supply has some dried out capacitors such as the filter capacitors. These are easily identified, they are the only large size caps in the primary stage near the transformer. Hope this helps. Cheers, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of k Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 3:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: BX-300 with No Sound Tom, Yes, I did notice a buzzing noise through the headphones. So the problem could be the power supply? I'll take a look to see if there is anything visible. I'd sure appreciate any suggestions about how to analyze it. I do have a service manual for the deck. I don't have a lot of skill in this area, but I have replaced PCB components, when I know which needs replacement. Thank you very much for the help. Karl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugue4all at shaw.ca Mon Jan 2 22:44:20 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:44:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone with experience with Nak Slimline Reference Monitors? References: <200601021525.k02FPDYW023887@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <004201c60fe5$b070fcc0$8902a8c0@warbird> I may have an opportunity to get a pair of Nakamichi Slimline Reference Monitors. They are two-way, crossover-free, and have Mitsubishi woofers/tweeters that have cult status among Japanese audiophiles/builders. Performance specs don't seem too impressive (approx 40-16KHZ), but I learned a long time ago that often tells only a tiny part of the story. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10/218 - Release Date: 1/2/2006 From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 2 23:33:23 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:33:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B9AA33.2040102@rcn.com> Well, Alex, actually, I did consider the 1000ZXL. However, I value reliability very highly. I can live with the finicky CR-7, but (based on comments made by Carlos) I suspect that the 1000ZXL would drive me nuts... Shana tova to you, too, -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Ron! > > Try if will be possible to you to hear a GOOD 1000ZXL! After so...I'm > 100% sure that you WILL NOT...listen again your CR-7. Sadly but is > truth!!! The "Magical/Miracle" sound of a 100% Perfectly" aligned > 1000ZXL...it's another history! Ron...No Free meals!!!! WAS the most > expensive, reliability it's his MAYOR problem...BUT...BUT...the sound, > only one sole word...AMAZING!!!! > > Ron, have a lovely & productive 2006 year! > > Greetings, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Ron >> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:08:54 -0500 >> >> >> So far, I've kept out for this discussion. >> Mostly, because I now own a CR-7 and have >> only listened to other decks for short >> periods and never in an A-B comparison. >> >> As flawed as my listening tests were, to my >> ears, I thought the CR-7 was the most >> 'accurate' (others would call it 'analytical' >> or 'cold' or 'dry') and therefore, the closest >> to what I thought I would hear in the concert >> hall, third row center. The Dragon was a close >> second (but still, SECOND). Sonics of other >> models, including the ZX-9 (I am not sure >> whether I also auditioned the ZX-7), 680ZX, >> et al, were slightly 'bloated' (others would >> call them 'warm'). I disagree that this is >> 'natural', but certainly, preference -- either >> way -- is highly subjective. This is splitting >> hairs, as all were quite good. >> >> Bottom line: right now I wouldn't exchange my >> CR-7 for any other model. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Dub wrote: >> >>> Well, >>> Just read the hi-fi world article on the cr-7 as listed, and it >>> struck me to read that the author thinks Nak only came up up with >>> auto-cal. on the cr-7. So he's probably never been exposed to the >>> 700ZXE/ZXL or 1000ZXL then... >>> >>> There was a time when I so crazy I owned 18 different Naks; back in >>> the days ('99) a friend and I performed a thorough (blind) test using >>> a Michell Orbe turntable w/ SME series V tonearm (the 'nak' of >>> turntables;-), Accuphase amp and Sonus Faber speakers, using >>> Straightwire interconnects and speakercables. And then, the >>> incredible all-star set-up: CR-7e, Dragon, ZX-9, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL. >>> I found the differences between the decks to be a matter of taste >>> rather than a difference in quality. Next to a direct rec/playback >>> test, we also tested the recorded tapes in all the other decks. >>> >>> The craziest thing was the outcome: Being analog lovers, we both came >>> up with the same result! >>> Where the Dragon and CR-7 (with rec. cal. unit slightly modified by >>> TvdH of Transtec) were more the analytical and clinical sounding >>> decks, the ZXLs and foremost the ZX-9 delivered far more natural and >>> enjoyable sound, recording on the TDK MA-XG tapes we used. >>> With these 3 decks, one is constantly tempted to leave the monitor on >>> 'tape' when recording from vinyl. And I just didn't have that with >>> either the CR-7 or the Dragon. >>> >>> The ZX-9 is for my ears definitely the best recording deck of them >>> all. In terms of playback, the 1000ZXL and the ZX-9, although both >>> the CR-7 and Dragon also sounded a lot 'warmer' on tapes recorded on >>> the ZX-9 and ZXL machines. Now I'm writing this, regret starts to >>> come up thinking of the fact that in the end, I sold them all except >>> the ZX-9. OK, I had to, due to $ trouble, but still... >>> >>> So in the end, my personal top 5: >>> ZX-9 >>> 1000ZXL >>> 700ZXL >>> CR-7 >>> Dragon >>> >>> But okay, it's been almost 7 years; I really hope to (at some point) >>> get back to the position where I can rerun this Nak-lovers 'wet >>> dream' test; maybe a nice feature on a future Nak-reunion or >>> something;-) >>> >>> All the best wishes for the new year everybody; >>> >>> best - dr dub From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 3 00:22:16 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:22:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone with experience with Nak Slimline Reference Monitors? In-Reply-To: <004201c60fe5$b070fcc0$8902a8c0@warbird> References: <200601021525.k02FPDYW023887@zxe.naks.com> <004201c60fe5$b070fcc0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <43B9B5A8.5000705@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Paul, Paul Dingle wrote: > I may have an opportunity to get a pair of Nakamichi Slimline Reference > Monitors. They are two-way, crossover-free, and have Mitsubishi > woofers/tweeters that have cult status among Japanese audiophiles/builders. > > Performance specs don't seem too impressive (approx 40-16KHZ), but I learned > a long time ago that often tells only a tiny part of the story. > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. The midrange, especially vocal reproduction, of these speakers is excellent. imaging too is wonderful detailed and accurate. The only drawback is the lack of deep bass or airy highs, BUT for mixing, I loved these speakers. Beats the overly-lauded Yamaha NS-10 for mixing hands down. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 3 00:33:40 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:33:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC63@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC63@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <43B9B854.2080109@woods-and-waters.com> A New Year always makes me nostalgic. In the spirit of New Year's nostalgia, I give you the true story of the Pirate Nakamichi 550. I don’t know about you guys, but I miss the 1970s. I think I had more fun back then, in many ways. Younger and stupider, probably. Ah well. Today, I wonder if it’s possible to have as much fun as you could in years past. Take 1977, for example. I had just graduated high school and had the summer off to have fun. So what did I do? Take a vacation to the beach to get chicks, or hang out at the arcades or the race track like my friends did? No, I built a pirate radio station and went on the air as "Radio Free Whoever" briefly during the summer of 1977. My friend Alan, my first-ever girlfriend, Sara, and I made this our summer project together. We ran it out of a HUGE brown 1970 Dodge A-100 van. I called my on-air persona "Cap'n Demo." Sara was "Miss Information" and Alan was simply, "Hey, you." The station included a homemade AM transmitter built out of a 6L6 (a black metal can RCA) in a plate transformer modulated Class C final stage, with a 6V6 (the metal can type) set up as the local oscillator (crystal controlled for stability) and a surplus 6J5GT for the AF amp. My transmitter started life as a PA amp I had made for my failed attempt at starting a band in high school. I used the carcass of a discarded Western Electric amplifier (don’t know the model) I “rescued” from a dumpster [rubbish tip] behind a movie theater that was remodeling. I’d gotten bored with the amp and rebuilt it to become the AM transmitter. The setup put out about 100 watts effective radiated power -- thanks to an efficient antenna. Coverage at night was surpisingly good. I like AM Radio (or, medium wave, for our non-USA friends). Source gear was a Bogen CDM mixer , Dual 1218, a Panasonic 8-track recorder, and my Nakamichi 550. My on-air mic was a really scratched up ElectroVoice 664 (still have it). Not particularly hi-fi; I picked the mic because it looked cool and was built like a tank. Actually, a fairly professional setup. Power was provided by a military surplus dynamotor, and we could stay on the air for about six hours with a pair of 12-volt car batteries. That’s why I like the military -- all the cool and useful stuff you can buy surplus. I wanted the station to sound good and didn’t have a modulation monitor scope or an AGC, so I watched the mixer’s VU-meter really closely. I had calibrated the meter such that 0-VU equaled 90% modulation. "Radio Free Whoever" broadcast at first usually on 666 kc, but then we found out some of the then-new "phase locked loop tuning" radios couldn't tune to 666 kc, so we changed to 670 kc, unless that frequency had another station on it, then we'd find whatever frequency was clear. We went on the air usually only on Friday or Saturday nights, but seldom both, between the hours of 10:00 PM and whenever we got too sleepy to stay up, or whenever Sara felt she needed to sneak home before her parents caught her out late (she owned the van). It sort of depended on what the local TV station broadcast Friday night. KCMO TV-5 aired old sci-fi and horror movies at 10:30 PM, calling it the “Creature Feature”. So, if it was a good movie (like Creature From The Black Lagoon) we’d watch the movie and go on the air Saturday. The format was, to be polite, eclectic: it may be a movement of Beethoven's 6th, followed by Toto's Hydra, followed by Glenn Miller in the Mood, followed by Simon & Garfunkel, or jazz, or part of a record played backward, then Borodin's Polovtsian Dances, then Chicago or the Moody Blues, then some psychodelia or the Monkees, Little Richard, then The 1812 Festival Overture Op, 49. We’d play anything, any genre of music, old 78s, even kids songs (and sing along with the kids’ songs). Sometimes, I’d play parts of band demo tapes I’d made or local live music I had recorded with the Nakamichi 550. You never knew what you’d hear! It worked out that I’d sign on with a short version of Tchaichovsky’s “Capriccio Italien” and sign off with Strauss’ “The Radetsky March”. Once while hanging out at a local stereo shop waiting for sara to get off work, I overhead two guys talking about the station. Seems they’d come across it by accident and thought it was hilarious. First, one guy remarked how god the sound was (that made me happy!). One guy remarked the thing he enjoyed most wasn’t the music, it was listening to “the DJ and the chick” argue about what to play next (Sara and I would get into real arguments over what to play next and would be oblivious to the open mic -- and then Sara would get flustered as she’d realize the mic had been open and everyone had overheard). The other guy said he enjoyed when the record would run out and you could hear somebody rummaging around trying to get the next record started quickly; sometimes you’d hear the girl giggling. They both mused that probably “the DJ and the chick had been making out” and lost track of the time. Give that guy a prize! After the first month, Alan quit to spend nights with his first-ever girlfriend, Becky. So it was just me and Sara. And the warm summer nights. And the starry skies. Very cool. Ah the summer of 1977. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Tue Jan 3 00:53:41 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:53:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year! In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC63@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Best to you too, Thomas! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:25 PM To: Naktalk mail list (naktalk at naks.com) Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year! Hi all, I know I have contributed very little to the group but work have been crazy for me. I wish you all a happy new year. Cheers, Tom Siomopoulos Technical Officer - Epworth Eastern Hospital NEC Business Solutions Ltd Victoria Branch Ph 0421 581 976 Email - Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au From jochi at qwest.net Tue Jan 3 01:30:31 2006 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:30:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> Dr. Dub, I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. The other discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much improved. So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical theories very well. Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" sound so far and want to record some other music to further experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small tweak can change the sound like it does. Regards, Jon On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:53 AM, Dr. Dub wrote: > Hi Gra'; > > zx-9 was unmodified, although, when cal., i always put the rec > level +1.5 (1 led full, the 2nd 'blinking') above normal, also a > TvdH tip. > TvdH readjusted the settings of the cal. comp.when I was there to > have the idler wheel mod, however I wouldn't be able to tell you > what he exactly did there. I must say it sounded a bit warmer then, > not affecting the clearness of the deck;-) > > best - pats > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 3 03:34:50 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 02:34:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <43B9AA33.2040102@rcn.com> Message-ID: Same to you Ron, and all my best wishes ever!!! Thanks!!! ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:33:23 -0500 > > >Well, Alex, actually, I did consider the 1000ZXL. >However, I value reliability very highly. I can >live with the finicky CR-7, but (based on comments >made by Carlos) I suspect that the 1000ZXL would >drive me nuts... > >Shana tova to you, too, > >-- Ron > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Hi Ron! >> >>Try if will be possible to you to hear a GOOD 1000ZXL! After so...I'm 100% >>sure that you WILL NOT...listen again your CR-7. Sadly but is truth!!! The >>"Magical/Miracle" sound of a 100% Perfectly" aligned 1000ZXL...it's >>another history! Ron...No Free meals!!!! WAS the most expensive, >>reliability it's his MAYOR problem...BUT...BUT...the sound, only one sole >>word...AMAZING!!!! >> >>Ron, have a lovely & productive 2006 year! >> >>Greetings, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Ron >>>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >>>Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:08:54 -0500 >>> >>> >>>So far, I've kept out for this discussion. >>>Mostly, because I now own a CR-7 and have >>>only listened to other decks for short >>>periods and never in an A-B comparison. >>> >>>As flawed as my listening tests were, to my >>>ears, I thought the CR-7 was the most >>>'accurate' (others would call it 'analytical' >>>or 'cold' or 'dry') and therefore, the closest >>>to what I thought I would hear in the concert >>>hall, third row center. The Dragon was a close >>>second (but still, SECOND). Sonics of other >>>models, including the ZX-9 (I am not sure >>>whether I also auditioned the ZX-7), 680ZX, >>>et al, were slightly 'bloated' (others would >>>call them 'warm'). I disagree that this is >>>'natural', but certainly, preference -- either >>>way -- is highly subjective. This is splitting >>>hairs, as all were quite good. >>> >>>Bottom line: right now I wouldn't exchange my >>>CR-7 for any other model. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Dr. Dub wrote: >>> >>>>Well, >>>>Just read the hi-fi world article on the cr-7 as listed, and it struck >>>>me to read that the author thinks Nak only came up up with auto-cal. on >>>>the cr-7. So he's probably never been exposed to the 700ZXE/ZXL or >>>>1000ZXL then... >>>> >>>>There was a time when I so crazy I owned 18 different Naks; back in the >>>>days ('99) a friend and I performed a thorough (blind) test using a >>>>Michell Orbe turntable w/ SME series V tonearm (the 'nak' of >>>>turntables;-), Accuphase amp and Sonus Faber speakers, using >>>>Straightwire interconnects and speakercables. And then, the incredible >>>>all-star set-up: CR-7e, Dragon, ZX-9, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL. >>>>I found the differences between the decks to be a matter of taste rather >>>>than a difference in quality. Next to a direct rec/playback test, we >>>>also tested the recorded tapes in all the other decks. >>>> >>>>The craziest thing was the outcome: Being analog lovers, we both came up >>>>with the same result! >>>>Where the Dragon and CR-7 (with rec. cal. unit slightly modified by TvdH >>>>of Transtec) were more the analytical and clinical sounding decks, the >>>>ZXLs and foremost the ZX-9 delivered far more natural and enjoyable >>>>sound, recording on the TDK MA-XG tapes we used. >>>>With these 3 decks, one is constantly tempted to leave the monitor on >>>>'tape' when recording from vinyl. And I just didn't have that with >>>>either the CR-7 or the Dragon. >>>> >>>>The ZX-9 is for my ears definitely the best recording deck of them all. >>>>In terms of playback, the 1000ZXL and the ZX-9, although both the CR-7 >>>>and Dragon also sounded a lot 'warmer' on tapes recorded on the ZX-9 and >>>>ZXL machines. Now I'm writing this, regret starts to come up thinking of >>>>the fact that in the end, I sold them all except the ZX-9. OK, I had to, >>>>due to $ trouble, but still... >>>> >>>>So in the end, my personal top 5: >>>>ZX-9 >>>>1000ZXL >>>>700ZXL >>>>CR-7 >>>>Dragon >>>> >>>>But okay, it's been almost 7 years; I really hope to (at some point) get >>>>back to the position where I can rerun this Nak-lovers 'wet dream' test; >>>>maybe a nice feature on a future Nak-reunion or something;-) >>>> >>>>All the best wishes for the new year everybody; >>>> >>>>best - dr dub >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Tue Jan 3 07:35:18 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:35:18 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Blank Chrome Tapes in New Zealand References: <200601021028.k02AQfTb022947@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001001c6102f$dd8f4820$0201a8c0@lan> Dave, Best of luck finding anything decent in NZ these days!!! Good Chrome tapes are now rare, and metals unobtainable via normal retails sources. . The local 'Sounds' store has some old stock TDK AD and SA at original retail prices ( $10.00 for an SA90, $8.00 for an AD), and I am slowly working through that to feed my naks :o)... there is stock left as of yesterday.. If I can help.. The local Worryhouses up here.. Botany/Manukau/Pakuranga, only stock SKC LX normals.. which are not too bad BTW. Our Daughter works for the local TDK agent, and I can vouch for the fact that they are no longer carrying any significant stock of any tapes due to very sloooow turnover. (missed out by a whisker on burgling their last remaining MA stocks :o{ ),.... hence buying retail from Sounds etc. I haven't tried the TEAC HDX ( that is an older formulation from memory), though do have a few CDX normals left.. need the bias turned down a tad to get the best out of them, but are quite OK and I guess this would be the same for the HDX's. Haven't had any shell issues with TEAC's myself, but I don't have that many. TDK SA's would be the best chromes for your CR1, otherwise you would possibly need a model with bias trim facility to get the best out of the HDX's. Personally I wouldn't bother with running Metals through the CR1, no real advantage over a good chrome at this level of 2 head.; at least that is what I find with my similar BX series decks. You can get the occassional new tape bargain on "Trade Me" as others are quitting their stocks. Also I am investigating bringing in a small quantity of Quantegy 472's to try in light of Kermit's recommendation, but haven't had any luck yet with either of the two potential sources I was referred onto to..no response at all... both in OZ BTW. If I do manage to score some, I'll let you know how they go though my 'parts CR1A'. other Kiwi Nakkers will no doubt chip in with what is available in their regions. Cheers, Martin From kby at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jan 3 01:46:09 2006 From: kby at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:46:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for parts... Message-ID: OK, I know I'm not going to get a lot of sympathy on these, but I'm looking for a couple of cosmetic parts (knobs) for two different Naks. I also know the chances are slim, but here goes: y The first is a gold level slider knob for a 1000ZXL limited. It's actually either molded or painted plastic; if I can't find one hopefullly I can use a black one and spray paint it (any one know a good match?). The second is a bias/level knob for a Dragon. I was told by ESL it isn't the same as the ZX-7/ZX-9 which look similar; I wouldn't mind confirmation or denial of this. Thanks!-kby From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 3 14:46:44 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:46:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <43B9B854.2080109@woods-and-waters.com> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC63@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> <43B9B854.2080109@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43BA8044.9060700@rcn.com> Excellent piece, Kermit. Brought back so many memories... Happy new year to you, too. -- Ron Kermit V. Gray wrote: > A New Year always makes me nostalgic. In the spirit of New Year's > nostalgia, I give you the true story of the Pirate Nakamichi 550. > > I don’t know about you guys, but I miss the 1970s. I think I had more > fun back then, in many ways. Younger and stupider, probably. Ah well. > Today, I wonder if it’s possible to have as much fun as you could in > years past. > > Take 1977, for example. > > I had just graduated high school and had the summer off to have fun. So > what did I do? Take a vacation to the beach to get chicks, or hang out > at the arcades or the race track like my friends did? No, I built a > pirate radio station and went on the air as "Radio Free Whoever" briefly > during the summer of 1977. My friend Alan, my first-ever girlfriend, > Sara, and I made this our summer project together. We ran it out of a > HUGE brown 1970 Dodge A-100 van. I called my on-air persona "Cap'n > Demo." Sara was "Miss Information" and Alan was simply, "Hey, you." > > The station included a homemade AM transmitter built out of a 6L6 (a > black metal can RCA) in a plate transformer modulated Class C final > stage, with a 6V6 (the metal can type) set up as the local oscillator > (crystal controlled for stability) and a surplus 6J5GT for the AF amp. > My transmitter started life as a PA amp I had made for my failed attempt > at starting a band in high school. I used the carcass of a discarded > Western Electric amplifier (don’t know the model) I “rescued” from a > dumpster [rubbish tip] behind a movie theater that was remodeling. I’d > gotten bored with the amp and rebuilt it to become the AM transmitter. > The setup put out about 100 watts effective radiated power -- thanks to > an efficient antenna. Coverage at night was surpisingly good. I like AM > Radio (or, medium wave, for our non-USA friends). > > Source gear was a Bogen CDM mixer , Dual 1218, a Panasonic 8-track > recorder, and my Nakamichi 550. My on-air mic was a really scratched up > ElectroVoice 664 (still have it). Not particularly hi-fi; I picked the > mic because it looked cool and was built like a tank. Actually, a fairly > professional setup. Power was provided by a military surplus dynamotor, > and we could stay on the air for about six hours with a pair of 12-volt > car batteries. That’s why I like the military -- all the cool and useful > stuff you can buy surplus. I wanted the station to sound good and didn’t > have a modulation monitor scope or an AGC, so I watched the mixer’s > VU-meter really closely. I had calibrated the meter such that 0-VU > equaled 90% modulation. > > "Radio Free Whoever" broadcast at first usually on 666 kc, but then we > found out some of the then-new "phase locked loop tuning" radios > couldn't tune to 666 kc, so we changed to 670 kc, unless that frequency > had another station on it, then we'd find whatever frequency was clear. > > We went on the air usually only on Friday or Saturday nights, but seldom > both, between the hours of 10:00 PM and whenever we got too sleepy to > stay up, or whenever Sara felt she needed to sneak home before her > parents caught her out late (she owned the van). It sort of depended on > what the local TV station broadcast Friday night. KCMO TV-5 aired old > sci-fi and horror movies at 10:30 PM, calling it the “Creature Feature”. > So, if it was a good movie (like Creature From The Black Lagoon) we’d > watch the movie and go on the air Saturday. > > The format was, to be polite, eclectic: it may be a movement of > Beethoven's 6th, followed by Toto's Hydra, followed by Glenn Miller in > the Mood, followed by Simon & Garfunkel, or jazz, or part of a record > played backward, then Borodin's Polovtsian Dances, then Chicago or the > Moody Blues, then some psychodelia or the Monkees, Little Richard, then > The 1812 Festival Overture Op, 49. We’d play anything, any genre of > music, old 78s, even kids songs (and sing along with the kids’ songs). > Sometimes, I’d play parts of band demo tapes I’d made or local live > music I had recorded with the Nakamichi 550. You never knew what you’d > hear! It worked out that I’d sign on with a short version of > Tchaichovsky’s “Capriccio Italien” and sign off with Strauss’ “The > Radetsky March”. > > Once while hanging out at a local stereo shop waiting for sara to get > off work, I overhead two guys talking about the station. Seems they’d > come across it by accident and thought it was hilarious. First, one guy > remarked how god the sound was (that made me happy!). One guy remarked > the thing he enjoyed most wasn’t the music, it was listening to “the DJ > and the chick” argue about what to play next (Sara and I would get into > real arguments over what to play next and would be oblivious to the open > mic -- and then Sara would get flustered as she’d realize the mic had > been open and everyone had overheard). The other guy said he enjoyed > when the record would run out and you could hear somebody rummaging > around trying to get the next record started quickly; sometimes you’d > hear the girl giggling. They both mused that probably “the DJ and the > chick had been making out” and lost track of the time. Give that guy a > prize! > > After the first month, Alan quit to spend nights with his first-ever > girlfriend, Becky. So it was just me and Sara. And the warm summer > nights. And the starry skies. Very cool. > > Ah the summer of 1977. > From kenkirk at gte.net Tue Jan 3 15:45:36 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:45:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Message-ID: <43BA8E10.3020300@gte.net> Kermit said: "A New Year always makes me nostalgic. In the spirit of New Year's nostalgia, I give you the true story of the Pirate Nakamichi 550. I don’t know about you guys, but I miss the 1970s. I think I had more fun back then, in many ways. Younger and stupider, probably. Ah well. Today, I wonder if it’s possible to have as much fun as you could in years past." snip Ken replies: Nice story Kermit. Very cool way to spend the summer. I got out of high school the next year. I remember those days well and agree. It was a great period of time to be able to play. Of course music was a big deal to many of us back then and we all enjoyed our vinyl and 8 tracks. I got my first set of Klipsch speakers the summer of 78 and had people over all summer long to hear the new Stones lp on them. Anyway, so what happened to Sara?? Very cool chick that would hang out and play dj with you! Also, did the FCC ever make any noise over your little station? Happy New Year, Ken From alex at autoconsortium.com Tue Jan 3 17:23:27 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:23:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] preamp wanted Message-ID: <200601031523.k03FNrCT004038@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Hello all. If anyone has an old preamp lying around, I need it for a secondary system. Email me with what it is and the price. I'd rather get it around here than on the bay. Alex From rob at rhoag.com Tue Jan 3 17:30:40 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:30:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <43B9B854.2080109@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: What a great story, thanks for sharing that... do you know where your Sara is today? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 3:34 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi A New Year always makes me nostalgic. In the spirit of New Year's nostalgia, I give you the true story of the Pirate Nakamichi 550. I don’t know about you guys, but I miss the 1970s. I think I had more fun back then, in many ways. Younger and stupider, probably. Ah well. Today, I wonder if it’s possible to have as much fun as you could in years past. Take 1977, for example. I had just graduated high school and had the summer off to have fun. So what did I do? Take a vacation to the beach to get chicks, or hang out at the arcades or the race track like my friends did? No, I built a pirate radio station and went on the air as "Radio Free Whoever" briefly during the summer of 1977. My friend Alan, my first-ever girlfriend, Sara, and I made this our summer project together. We ran it out of a HUGE brown 1970 Dodge A-100 van. I called my on-air persona "Cap'n Demo." Sara was "Miss Information" and Alan was simply, "Hey, you." The station included a homemade AM transmitter built out of a 6L6 (a black metal can RCA) in a plate transformer modulated Class C final stage, with a 6V6 (the metal can type) set up as the local oscillator (crystal controlled for stability) and a surplus 6J5GT for the AF amp. My transmitter started life as a PA amp I had made for my failed attempt at starting a band in high school. I used the carcass of a discarded Western Electric amplifier (don’t know the model) I “rescued” from a dumpster [rubbish tip] behind a movie theater that was remodeling. I’d gotten bored with the amp and rebuilt it to become the AM transmitter. The setup put out about 100 watts effective radiated power -- thanks to an efficient antenna. Coverage at night was surpisingly good. I like AM Radio (or, medium wave, for our non-USA friends). Source gear was a Bogen CDM mixer , Dual 1218, a Panasonic 8-track recorder, and my Nakamichi 550. My on-air mic was a really scratched up ElectroVoice 664 (still have it). Not particularly hi-fi; I picked the mic because it looked cool and was built like a tank. Actually, a fairly professional setup. Power was provided by a military surplus dynamotor, and we could stay on the air for about six hours with a pair of 12-volt car batteries. That’s why I like the military -- all the cool and useful stuff you can buy surplus. I wanted the station to sound good and didn’t have a modulation monitor scope or an AGC, so I watched the mixer’s VU-meter really closely. I had calibrated the meter such that 0-VU equaled 90% modulation. "Radio Free Whoever" broadcast at first usually on 666 kc, but then we found out some of the then-new "phase locked loop tuning" radios couldn't tune to 666 kc, so we changed to 670 kc, unless that frequency had another station on it, then we'd find whatever frequency was clear. We went on the air usually only on Friday or Saturday nights, but seldom both, between the hours of 10:00 PM and whenever we got too sleepy to stay up, or whenever Sara felt she needed to sneak home before her parents caught her out late (she owned the van). It sort of depended on what the local TV station broadcast Friday night. KCMO TV-5 aired old sci-fi and horror movies at 10:30 PM, calling it the “Creature Feature”. So, if it was a good movie (like Creature From The Black Lagoon) we’d watch the movie and go on the air Saturday. The format was, to be polite, eclectic: it may be a movement of Beethoven's 6th, followed by Toto's Hydra, followed by Glenn Miller in the Mood, followed by Simon & Garfunkel, or jazz, or part of a record played backward, then Borodin's Polovtsian Dances, then Chicago or the Moody Blues, then some psychodelia or the Monkees, Little Richard, then The 1812 Festival Overture Op, 49. We’d play anything, any genre of music, old 78s, even kids songs (and sing along with the kids’ songs). Sometimes, I’d play parts of band demo tapes I’d made or local live music I had recorded with the Nakamichi 550. You never knew what you’d hear! It worked out that I’d sign on with a short version of Tchaichovsky’s “Capriccio Italien” and sign off with Strauss’ “The Radetsky March”. Once while hanging out at a local stereo shop waiting for sara to get off work, I overhead two guys talking about the station. Seems they’d come across it by accident and thought it was hilarious. First, one guy remarked how god the sound was (that made me happy!). One guy remarked the thing he enjoyed most wasn’t the music, it was listening to “the DJ and the chick” argue about what to play next (Sara and I would get into real arguments over what to play next and would be oblivious to the open mic -- and then Sara would get flustered as she’d realize the mic had been open and everyone had overheard). The other guy said he enjoyed when the record would run out and you could hear somebody rummaging around trying to get the next record started quickly; sometimes you’d hear the girl giggling. They both mused that probably “the DJ and the chick had been making out” and lost track of the time. Give that guy a prize! After the first month, Alan quit to spend nights with his first-ever girlfriend, Becky. So it was just me and Sara. And the warm summer nights. And the starry skies. Very cool. Ah the summer of 1977. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Tue Jan 3 19:10:12 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:10:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Scottish Nak 481z gratefully wipes custard off his face and bulk tape buying proposal. Message-ID: Dear Henk , Tim and Norman Thats such good news. I thank you ...... the logic of the idea slightly defeats me ..... ie no clik off at the end of a tapes etc. and so, on inserting another tape the 481 continues to carry out the last order .......... which generally isnt what this person wants for the next tape! however its just an 'incongruity' I will adapt too ........ In my ignorance I was concerned the motor or belts were engaged and 'sufferring' in some way ....... Im glad I put my concerns about this matter in a gentle way to B&W as they have done an admirable job on the deck...... as I say when I switch it on and it warms up it starts smelling like a piece of new kit! Quite often it startles me as previously unheard info fills the room. A final question to my fellow 48 series friends. Does the bias adjust knob on the 481z have a useful role to play without a calibration tape in the machine or do I use my ears whilst listening? ....... I dont have a users manual located yet? I ask because I look forward to getting to record my own music playing very much and am looking for a bargain in the microphone dept. to replace my Sony Electret Condenser and Stereo One point mikes! I could replace the diaphragms on the stereo mike ....... but I may be indulging in deck chairs moving on the Titanic there ......Anyone in the UK have any better quality mikes for sale? Going back the 481z ................ curiously the new sound whilst no doubt technically at an optimum point being all recalibrated etc. is more 'laid back' in some way then when it left ......... perhaps I have to let the new bits it 'burn in' to cite some modern hi fi folklore......... it sounds generally warmer less cd like ......... ( not a bad thing some will say ) and more like a tape ..........ie analogue ........... whereas before the deck was all messed up mechanically it sounded ridiculously good and uniquely clear....... even my wife from other rooms would say ...... thats good Ian ...... what are we listening too? as old tapes were slotted in and out. One day i would love to hear someones cr7 or ZX 9 or the Dragon, 1000's, 700 etc......... to see how the sound developed and yet stayed the same ......... I wondered with various members struggling for new tapes ...... is there anyone amongst us who can buy (wholesale ) a box or so of blank and agreed upon cassettes which we could divide up to subscribers to this scheme? ......... We have sufficient numbers to make it doable and cost effective, IMHO one would save on buying costs loose on postage but hey one ends up with a bulk supply the tapes one wants...... just a thought ...... maybe we could set up a web page just selling cassette blank new tapes that we rate highly .maybe with minimum orders of 5 or 10 tapes to reduce inconvenience...... in the UK I would be prepared to assist being free of ( alas ) most other responsibilities. In the world as it often sounds on the news etc these days I am very grateful indeed to have time and space to have this hobby and pleasure..... its also nice to be able to share ones interests and as thru such a forum be advised that i have a perfectly working machine. Brilliant peace Ian Scotland From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 3 20:02:41 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:02:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> Message-ID: <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Jon, Jon Ochi wrote: > Dr. Dub, > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest frequency response. > The other > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > improved. Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear clearly at lower playback levels. So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. That's my theory, anyway. > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > theories very well. > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > tweak can change the sound like it does. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 3 20:15:39 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:15:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Scottish Nak 481z gratefully wipes custard off his face and bulk tape buying proposal. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060103191539.92801.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Eek! Are there more dots than words in your post? Bulk tape buying proposal... interesting! Why not cassette shells and other parts like this? --- earthrite at gn.apc.org a écrit : > Dear Henk , Tim and Norman > > Thats such good news. I thank you ...... the logic > of the idea > slightly defeats me ..... ie no clik off at the end > of a tapes etc. > and so, on inserting another tape the 481 continues > to carry out the > last order .......... which generally isnt what this > person wants for > the next tape! > > however its just an 'incongruity' I will adapt too > ........ In my > ignorance I was concerned the motor or belts were > engaged and > 'sufferring' in some way ....... Im glad I put my > concerns about this > matter in a gentle way to B&W as they have done an > admirable job on > the deck...... as I say when I switch it on and it > warms up it starts > smelling like a piece of new kit! Quite often it > startles me as > previously unheard info fills the room. > > A final question to my fellow 48 series friends. > Does the bias adjust > knob on the 481z have a useful role to play without > a calibration > tape in the machine or do I use my ears whilst > listening? ....... I > dont have a users manual located yet? > > I ask because I look forward to getting to record my > own music > playing very much and am looking for a bargain in > the microphone > dept. to replace my Sony Electret Condenser and > Stereo One point > mikes! I could replace the diaphragms on the stereo > mike ....... but > I may be indulging in deck chairs moving on the > Titanic there > ......Anyone in the UK have any better quality mikes > for sale? > > Going back the 481z ................ curiously the > new sound whilst > no doubt technically at an optimum point being all > recalibrated etc. > is more 'laid back' in some way then when it left > ......... perhaps I > have to let the new bits it 'burn in' to cite some > modern hi fi > folklore......... it sounds generally warmer less cd > like ......... ( > not a bad thing some will say ) and more like a tape > ..........ie > analogue ........... whereas before the deck was all > messed up > mechanically it sounded ridiculously good and > uniquely clear....... > even my wife from other rooms would say ...... thats > good Ian ...... > what are we listening too? as old tapes were slotted > in and out. > > One day i would love to hear someones cr7 or ZX 9 > or the Dragon, > 1000's, 700 etc......... to see how the sound > developed and yet > stayed the same ......... > > I wondered with various members struggling for new > tapes ...... is > there anyone amongst us who can buy (wholesale ) a > box or so of blank > and agreed upon cassettes which we could divide up > to subscribers to > this scheme? ......... We have sufficient numbers to > make it doable > and cost effective, IMHO one would save on buying > costs loose on > postage but hey one ends up with a bulk supply the > tapes one > wants...... just a thought ...... maybe we could set > up a web page > just selling cassette blank new tapes that we rate > highly .maybe with > minimum orders of 5 or 10 tapes to reduce > inconvenience...... in the > UK I would be prepared to assist being free of ( > alas ) most other > responsibilities. > > In the world as it often sounds on the news etc > these days I am very > grateful indeed to have time and space to have this > hobby and > pleasure..... its also nice to be able to share ones > interests and as > thru such a forum be advised that i have a perfectly > working machine. > > Brilliant > > peace > Ian > Scotland Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 3 22:52:28 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:52:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <43BA8E10.3020300@gte.net> References: <43BA8E10.3020300@gte.net> Message-ID: <43BAF21C.4050803@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Guys, Doane Hoag wrote: > What a great story, thanks for sharing that... do you know where your > Sara > is today? > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Anyway, so what happened to Sara?? Very cool chick that would hang out > and play dj with you! Strange ending to the story on that point. We continued to date for a few more months, but by that winter we were seeing other people, but still seeing each other too. She kept wanting me to "get serious with my life", quit my audio work and get a "real job" with "a future," so that was a source of friction between us. Common suggestions were accountant, business manager or lawyer. Can you see me as any of those? Me either! Sara, interestingly enough, started dating (then married within five months) a fundamentalist evangelist -- and didn't want me to meet the guy for fear he "wouldn't understand" our past. Sara is still happily married to the evangelist, has five children (all of whom are grown now), but I haven't seen her since we finally split up in 1979 (Or was it 1980? I forget for sure). No hard feelings, we parted on good terms and I still enjoy memories of that summer. > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Nice story Kermit. Very cool way to spend the summer. I got out of high > school the next year. I remember those days well and agree. It was a > great period of time to be able to play. Of course music was a big deal > to many of us back then and we all enjoyed our vinyl and 8 tracks. I got > my first set of Klipsch speakers the summer of 78 and had people over > all summer long to hear the new Stones lp on them. Oh, so cool! I got my first Klipsch in 1977, a pair of Heresy. My Klipsch La Scalas came in 1980. What model were your Klipsch? Whaddya mean music WAS a big deal...still is for me! (Joking) > Also, did the FCC ever make any noise over your little station? No, I was really careful not to interfere with any licensed station, didn't do anything offensive on-air, didn't stay on-air long, and didn't blast my signal everywhere. Although I was sure we'd get busted. I'm sure the FCC picked my station up on one of their listening posts, but I have a feeling they just got a good laugh off of it. But I have a feeling if I tried it today I'd get busted overnight. I heard about one guy that summer who built a two-kilowatt rig, erected a 100-foot tower antenna, and blasted his signal so it could be heard all over the central USA at night. He went on air every night and broadcast all sorts of stupid racist hatemongering. The FCC had him closed down in just a few days. Good riddance. In those days, I think the FCC let it pass as long as you weren't causing any trouble. Ron wrote: > > Excellent piece, Kermit. Brought back so many > memories... Happy new year to you, too. Hey, Happy new Year to you and the rest of the Naktalk gang! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rondo at nottltd.com Tue Jan 3 23:49:51 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:49:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi References: Message-ID: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Kermit, Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham Radio Operator I suppose. Ron W. What a great story, thanks for sharing that... do you know where your Sara is today? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 3:34 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi A New Year always makes me nostalgic. In the spirit of New Year's nostalgia, I give you the true story of the Pirate Nakamichi 550. I don’t know about you guys, but I miss the 1970s. I think I had more fun back then, in many ways. Younger and stupider, probably. Ah well. Today, I wonder if it’s possible to have as much fun as you could in years past. Take 1977, for example. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Jan 4 00:13:10 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:13:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <03ee01c610bb$43a31d90$6401a8c0@Rondo> I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. Comments?????? Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi Jon, Jon Ochi wrote: > Dr. Dub, > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest frequency response. > The other > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > improved. Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear clearly at lower playback levels. So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. That's my theory, anyway. > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > theories very well. > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > tweak can change the sound like it does. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Jan 4 00:27:17 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:27:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <043201c610bd$3c8684f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. Comments?????? Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi Jon, Jon Ochi wrote: > Dr. Dub, > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest frequency response. > The other > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > improved. Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear clearly at lower playback levels. So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. That's my theory, anyway. > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > theories very well. > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > tweak can change the sound like it does. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Jan 4 00:28:19 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:28:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC63@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> <43B9B854.2080109@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <043801c610bd$6890a0d0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Kermit, Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham Radio Operator I suppose. Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi A New Year always makes me nostalgic. In the spirit of New Year's nostalgia, I give you the true story of the Pirate Nakamichi 550. I don’t know about you guys, but I miss the 1970s. I think I had more fun back then, in many ways. Younger and stupider, probably. Ah well. Today, I wonder if it’s possible to have as much fun as you could in years past. Take 1977, for example. I had just graduated high school and had the summer off to have fun. So what did I do? Take a vacation to the beach to get chicks, or hang out at the arcades or the race track like my friends did? No, I built a pirate radio station and went on the air as "Radio Free Whoever" briefly during the summer of 1977. My friend Alan, my first-ever girlfriend, Sara, and I made this our summer project together. We ran it out of a HUGE brown 1970 Dodge A-100 van. I called my on-air persona "Cap'n Demo." Sara was "Miss Information" and Alan was simply, "Hey, you." The station included a homemade AM transmitter built out of a 6L6 (a black metal can RCA) in a plate transformer modulated Class C final stage, with a 6V6 (the metal can type) set up as the local oscillator (crystal controlled for stability) and a surplus 6J5GT for the AF amp. My transmitter started life as a PA amp I had made for my failed attempt at starting a band in high school. I used the carcass of a discarded Western Electric amplifier (don’t know the model) I “rescued” from a dumpster [rubbish tip] behind a movie theater that was remodeling. I’d gotten bored with the amp and rebuilt it to become the AM transmitter. The setup put out about 100 watts effective radiated power -- thanks to an efficient antenna. Coverage at night was surpisingly good. I like AM Radio (or, medium wave, for our non-USA friends). Source gear was a Bogen CDM mixer , Dual 1218, a Panasonic 8-track recorder, and my Nakamichi 550. My on-air mic was a really scratched up ElectroVoice 664 (still have it). Not particularly hi-fi; I picked the mic because it looked cool and was built like a tank. Actually, a fairly professional setup. Power was provided by a military surplus dynamotor, and we could stay on the air for about six hours with a pair of 12-volt car batteries. That’s why I like the military -- all the cool and useful stuff you can buy surplus. I wanted the station to sound good and didn’t have a modulation monitor scope or an AGC, so I watched the mixer’s VU-meter really closely. I had calibrated the meter such that 0-VU equaled 90% modulation. "Radio Free Whoever" broadcast at first usually on 666 kc, but then we found out some of the then-new "phase locked loop tuning" radios couldn't tune to 666 kc, so we changed to 670 kc, unless that frequency had another station on it, then we'd find whatever frequency was clear. We went on the air usually only on Friday or Saturday nights, but seldom both, between the hours of 10:00 PM and whenever we got too sleepy to stay up, or whenever Sara felt she needed to sneak home before her parents caught her out late (she owned the van). It sort of depended on what the local TV station broadcast Friday night. KCMO TV-5 aired old sci-fi and horror movies at 10:30 PM, calling it the “Creature Feature”. So, if it was a good movie (like Creature From The Black Lagoon) we’d watch the movie and go on the air Saturday. The format was, to be polite, eclectic: it may be a movement of Beethoven's 6th, followed by Toto's Hydra, followed by Glenn Miller in the Mood, followed by Simon & Garfunkel, or jazz, or part of a record played backward, then Borodin's Polovtsian Dances, then Chicago or the Moody Blues, then some psychodelia or the Monkees, Little Richard, then The 1812 Festival Overture Op, 49. We’d play anything, any genre of music, old 78s, even kids songs (and sing along with the kids’ songs). Sometimes, I’d play parts of band demo tapes I’d made or local live music I had recorded with the Nakamichi 550. You never knew what you’d hear! It worked out that I’d sign on with a short version of Tchaichovsky’s “Capriccio Italien” and sign off with Strauss’ “The Radetsky March”. Once while hanging out at a local stereo shop waiting for sara to get off work, I overhead two guys talking about the station. Seems they’d come across it by accident and thought it was hilarious. First, one guy remarked how god the sound was (that made me happy!). One guy remarked the thing he enjoyed most wasn’t the music, it was listening to “the DJ and the chick” argue about what to play next (Sara and I would get into real arguments over what to play next and would be oblivious to the open mic -- and then Sara would get flustered as she’d realize the mic had been open and everyone had overheard). The other guy said he enjoyed when the record would run out and you could hear somebody rummaging around trying to get the next record started quickly; sometimes you’d hear the girl giggling. They both mused that probably “the DJ and the chick had been making out” and lost track of the time. Give that guy a prize! After the first month, Alan quit to spend nights with his first-ever girlfriend, Becky. So it was just me and Sara. And the warm summer nights. And the starry skies. Very cool. Ah the summer of 1977. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Wed Jan 4 01:20:14 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:20:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <200601021524.k02FO2Gk023875@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601021524.k02FO2Gk023875@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <626EE18A-C557-46CE-9CDC-0909C66C1D3B@mac.com> On my ESL rebuilt ZX7, I find I have to turn the azimuth adjust knob quite slowly and then wait for it to "catch up." It never takes more than about 1/2 turn or so to find the correct adjustment. Going slowly and waiting is the key. Good things take time... Happy New Year Nakkers! cheers, Fred On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:24 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Sándor István > Date: January 2, 2006 3:30:42 AM PST > To: thole at planet.nl, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Hello Superthol, > > the ZX-series are very nice units (my opinion). > > My opinion also (some may not agree) that record head azimuth > justage is a more important factor, than playback azimuth > correction (supposed you make recordings on your deck, and usually > listen to cassettes made on properly aligned decks). If you make > your own records, and you use different kind of cassettes, it is a > must to have this feature. I admit my RX-505 plays nice also, but > far from recording capabilities of my ZX-7, because record azimuth > correction is not provided (and some other calibration features > also missing), it is a big handycap. > > As the recording head azimuth setting procedure is based on the > playback-head response it is vital your playback section MUST be > set correctly first. Otherwise all is for nothing, you MAY make > recordings sound good on your (the same) machine, but they will be > mostly poor on other units. > > The azimuth-justage is mechanical. A small worm-gear moves a steel > tape (which is fitted in a ladder-like blue plastic), and this > steel tape moves the recording head. > Be very careful with setting the azimuth, as the connection between > the worm-gear and the steel tape is quite weak, and it may happen > they will disengage. Then you have to repair it... > For this reason I heavily recommend to use the azimuth-knob very > gently, do not turn it fast (let it settle), and do not turn it > over (I have no data what is the range of the knob, and to be > honest I do not have the intention to risk a try also). > > If you feel that the knob is stopped, under no circumstances turn > it with force. > > Happy New Year! :-) > > István > Ps.: ZX-7/9 have NO playback-azimuth correction feature. You must > have a CR7, a Dragon, or a 680 series deck (am I right?) for this > purpose. It is important only if you listen "alien" cassettes also. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 11:08:25 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:08:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Message-ID: Hi y'all, well, I must say that I performed the 70-120 'trick' for Cr02 and Metal tapes before I even had the $ to aquire my first Nakamichi. It seems to work the same on standard decks. Headroom and high frequ. do indeed sound more natural then. Kermit: of course I should have mentioned to do this on a ZX-7 as well; I guess TvdH performed a similar mod. on my CR-7 (back in the days when I still had it) in the settings of the autocal.comp., giving a similar result. However, I've never checked the 'improved car sound' and stuff, reminds me that i still have an old rd260 plus pa301 lying around, about time to equip my rover tomcat with those innit;-) Will let you know how that works out, best - dub From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 10:07:54 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:07:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 Message-ID: Hi Fred! Similarly I do with my Dragon..., for Level & Bias adjustments, really works!!! Bravo for your cute input!!! Have a wonderful 2006! Greetings, ALEX! >From: Fred Lifton >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 >Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:20:14 -0800 > >On my ESL rebuilt ZX7, I find I have to turn the azimuth adjust knob quite >slowly and then wait for it to "catch up." It never takes more than about >1/2 turn or so to find the correct adjustment. Going slowly and waiting is >the key. Good things take time... > >Happy New Year Nakkers! >cheers, >Fred > >On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:24 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >>From: S�ndor Istv�n >>Date: January 2, 2006 3:30:42 AM PST >>To: thole at planet.nl, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >>Hello Superthol, >> >>the ZX-series are very nice units (my opinion). >> >>My opinion also (some may not agree) that record head azimuth justage is >>a more important factor, than playback azimuth correction (supposed you >>make recordings on your deck, and usually listen to cassettes made on >>properly aligned decks). If you make your own records, and you use >>different kind of cassettes, it is a must to have this feature. I admit >>my RX-505 plays nice also, but far from recording capabilities of my >>ZX-7, because record azimuth correction is not provided (and some other >>calibration features also missing), it is a big handycap. >> >>As the recording head azimuth setting procedure is based on the >>playback-head response it is vital your playback section MUST be set >>correctly first. Otherwise all is for nothing, you MAY make recordings >>sound good on your (the same) machine, but they will be mostly poor on >>other units. >> >>The azimuth-justage is mechanical. A small worm-gear moves a steel tape >>(which is fitted in a ladder-like blue plastic), and this steel tape >>moves the recording head. >>Be very careful with setting the azimuth, as the connection between the >>worm-gear and the steel tape is quite weak, and it may happen they will >>disengage. Then you have to repair it... >>For this reason I heavily recommend to use the azimuth-knob very gently, >>do not turn it fast (let it settle), and do not turn it over (I have no >>data what is the range of the knob, and to be honest I do not have the >>intention to risk a try also). >> >>If you feel that the knob is stopped, under no circumstances turn it with >>force. >> >>Happy New Year! :-) >> >>Istv�n >>Ps.: ZX-7/9 have NO playback-azimuth correction feature. You must have a >>CR7, a Dragon, or a 680 series deck (am I right?) for this purpose. It is >>important only if you listen "alien" cassettes also. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Wed Jan 4 10:24:06 2006 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 04:24:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C7DF27BE8C24C6-5E8-4D528@mblkn-m07.sysops.aol.com> Hello, I have some tapes you mentioned and my opinion of them is quite negative. These tapes are OEM-version of some other manufacturer as their cases look quite alike as some other cheap tapes (RAKS, etc.) They have a tremendous print-through effect and rather strong noise. They dirty tape heads very quick. I can't recommend them to use with Naks. They are much inferior than TDK SA or maxell UDII, let alone SA-X or XLII or XLII-S. With New Year greetings to everyone, Nicholas. -----Original Message----- From: felic dans To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:41:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! Hello Nak freaks, Anyone have any experience with old-school Akai GX Chrome tapes with Nakamichi Decks ? Reliability? Sound quality? construction? If available, how do they compare to the TDK SA-X or MAXELL XLII-S? ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 10:26:21 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:26:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Message-ID: Hi Ron! Please, first check WHY your mails came twice> Maybe you press send twice...once is OK! Regarding the EQ position. with my gifted Dragon...I use 120 EQ position ONLY when I hear cassettes recorded by my previous Kenwood KX-5010 a two heads deck. that when I be unable to afford an a brand new Nak deck, during the 90ties and till near two years ago, when I was gifted by my best friend with his used ONCE only Dragon, when he suddenly passed away. So as I collect many cassettes 99% Chrome types, recoded with such Kenwood deck, trough my received Dragon using 120 EQ sound just better, as with the recoded 70 EQ...is dull, of course all my recorded cassettes collection with the Kenwood unit was using Dolby "B" mostly, and only an a very few with "C" NR. (With my car affordable also Kenwood radio-tape, hearing cassettes with Dolby "C"...on my two heads Kenwood KX-5010...simple sound bad..., so I decided to use only type "B" when I will like to hear such recorded cassettes trough my car radio-tape unit!. Since I received the Dragon...I refuse to use ANY NR at ALL! Sounds so good with NO NR that also sound better or right (For my hears...of course!), trough my car radio-tape machine. Also..trough my Dragon I don't hear the necessary use of any type of NR..the NR very small bottom is OFF. I hope my dear Ron, that my comments will satisfied you!? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Ron Walton" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:13:10 -0700 > >I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. A >musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had their >bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble and >upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ >to 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble >sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a >routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening this way >for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and it >sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to >the shop for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. > >To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound too dark, >what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the source to the tape, >the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. > >Comments?????? > >Ron W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kermit V. Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs > > > Hi Jon, > > Jon Ochi wrote: > > Dr. Dub, > > > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on >blinking > > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that >small > > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially >in > > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. > > Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, > you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest > frequency response. > > > The other > > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > > improved. > > Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: > > #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. > > #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. > > Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear > clearly at lower playback levels. > > So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are > clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. > > That's my theory, anyway. > > > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain >in > > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > > theories very well. > > > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > > tweak can change the sound like it does. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From smbrandt at earthlink.net Wed Jan 4 06:23:28 2006 From: smbrandt at earthlink.net (Stephen Brandt) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:23:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 for sale Message-ID: I just listed my old Nakamichi 1000 tape deck on ebay. I had no idea where else to sell it, it is on now for sale. item #5849745821. It was new in 1974, a real good machine. I have another Nak , a silver one, not as old, works great. Boy these are awsome machines! Take a peek at the ebay listing, on for another 5 days. email with any questions please thanks Steve From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 14:40:43 2006 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:40:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! In-Reply-To: <8C7DF27BE8C24C6-5E8-4D528@mblkn-m07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Nicholas, Thank You for the informative input. Okay so there goes the idea of picking some up for cheap. I will resort to my trust Maxell XLii-S. What is the deal with those who argue that the Maxell XLii-S made in Japan is superior to those made in EU - England? Is this true? and for what reasons? What about the TDK SA-X made in England? Any problems? OR fine cassette? Thanks, Felix >From: modernizy at netscape.net >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks >spectaculuar!! >Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 04:24:06 -0500 > >Hello, > >I have some tapes you mentioned and my opinion of them is quite negative. >These tapes are OEM-version of some other manufacturer as their cases look >quite alike as some other cheap tapes (RAKS, etc.) They have a tremendous >print-through effect and rather strong noise. They dirty tape heads very >quick. > >I can't recommend them to use with Naks. > >They are much inferior than TDK SA or maxell UDII, let alone SA-X or XLII >or XLII-S. > >With New Year greetings to everyone, > >Nicholas. > >-----Original Message----- >From: felic dans >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:41:57 -0500 >Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! > > >Hello Nak freaks, > >Anyone have any experience with old-school Akai GX Chrome tapes with >Nakamichi Decks ? > >Reliability? > >Sound quality? > >construction? > >If available, how do they compare to the TDK SA-X or MAXELL XLII-S? >___________________________________________________ >Try the New Netscape Mail Today! >Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List >http://mail.netscape.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Jan 4 15:11:13 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:11:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Message-ID: <43BBD781.5090707@gte.net> Kermit said: " Sara is still happily married to the evangelist, has five children (all of whom are grown now), but I haven't seen her since we finally split up in 1979 (Or was it 1980? I forget for sure). No hard feelings, we parted on good terms and I still enjoy memories of that summer." Ken says: Hmmm, maybe she was wanting to get into evangelical broadcasting! :-) Have you tuned around on a shortwave lately?? It is hard to find anything from the US that is not religious. Not that there is anything wrong with that. ( in the Jerry Seinfeld voice). Anyway, I bet she has fond memories of that summer too. Kermit asks: What model were your Klipsch? Ken says: Klipsch Heresy's also. When I was 16, I spent a couple of weeks one summer with my grandparents in Texarkana Texas. One day my grandfather came home from work and told me that since I had such a bug for music he was going to take me to see the best speakers in the world being built. So he drove me up to Hope Arkansas to the Klipsch factory. I met Paul, walked the factory floor, etc. I was amazed at testing and production processes. When I first heard the K horns, they played Head East "Never been any Reason" followed by ZZ top LaGrange using a Thorens table and Mac tube amps. They cranked it up loud. I had goose bumps on goose bumps. I was stunned. From that day on I wanted a system like that. So when I graduated from High School my grandfather gave me the cash to buy a used set of Hereseys. I still have them. They are loaned out to my mother in law. As the years went by I moved up to the Cornwalls and finally the K horns. I listen to Sonus Faber now, but when I throw a big party out doors, the Heresys are always put into action. A good turntable( or Nak), a good tube amp and tube preamp, and a pair of Klipsch horn loaded speakers will make music that is competitive with anything made today. IMHO... From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 16:48:42 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:48:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate In-Reply-To: <43BBD781.5090707@gte.net> Message-ID: <20060104154842.61531.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ken, What amps are using with the Heresy's? Regards Bala Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: Kermit said: " Sara is still happily married to the evangelist, has five children (all of whom are grown now), but I haven't seen her since we finally split up in 1979 (Or was it 1980? I forget for sure). No hard feelings, we parted on good terms and I still enjoy memories of that summer." Ken says: Hmmm, maybe she was wanting to get into evangelical broadcasting! :-) Have you tuned around on a shortwave lately?? It is hard to find anything from the US that is not religious. Not that there is anything wrong with that. ( in the Jerry Seinfeld voice). Anyway, I bet she has fond memories of that summer too. Kermit asks: What model were your Klipsch? Ken says: Klipsch Heresy's also. When I was 16, I spent a couple of weeks one summer with my grandparents in Texarkana Texas. One day my grandfather came home from work and told me that since I had such a bug for music he was going to take me to see the best speakers in the world being built. So he drove me up to Hope Arkansas to the Klipsch factory. I met Paul, walked the factory floor, etc. I was amazed at testing and production processes. When I first heard the K horns, they played Head East "Never been any Reason" followed by ZZ top LaGrange using a Thorens table and Mac tube amps. They cranked it up loud. I had goose bumps on goose bumps. I was stunned. From that day on I wanted a system like that. So when I graduated from High School my grandfather gave me the cash to buy a used set of Hereseys. I still have them. They are loaned out to my mother in law. As the years went by I moved up to the Cornwalls and finally the K horns. I listen to Sonus Faber now, but when I throw a big ! party out doors, the Heresys are always put into action. A good turntable( or Nak), a good tube amp and tube preamp, and a pair of Klipsch horn loaded speakers will make music that is competitive with anything made today. IMHO... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Jan 4 16:54:24 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:54:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> <03ee01c610bb$43a31d90$6401a8c0@Rondo> <43BB486B.9020008@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <050601c61147$2429fec0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Kermit, Even the chrome tapes recorded on my CR-7 sound better when played back on the CR-7 when the switch is set for 120/us. I don't think the deck is miscalibrated. It is possible that I have left the EQ switch on 120/us while recording with chrome tape. I was under the impression that this was for playback EQ only, and besides, I have experimented with the EQ switch while monitoring a recording in progress. Could it be that the auto-calibrate function takes the EQ switch position into account when it does it's thing? The bias switch is set for Type II tape when I record. I know it is not the speakers, as I have Infinity RSIIb with famous EMIT tweeters. When I said the treble "was not even close", I suppose I exaggerate. It is close. But I can hear a major difference. I do not claim to have golden ears, but there is a difference. My emails showed up twice.... Yes, I wanted to respond yesterday to two different postings. I click on reply, compose message, send, and then realize it only goes to the person who sent the email. So I re-send by clicking on "Reply All". What is the correct way to reply to this list? I am still new here but have much enjoyed learning more about these amazing machines from the many of you who know them so well! Since reading yesterday about an "EQ" modification, I immediately found two different CR-7's on ebay which each claim to have the upgrade. What exactly is this EQ mod? Would it cure my perceived problem? What was the modification supposed to take care of? Ron W. Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. > A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had > their bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble > and upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set > the EQ to 120/us. / Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I > have, the treble sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you > do the same on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been > listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a > ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 /us /too. > The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always > sounds this way. Ah. I misunderstood. Well, actually, I've never had this experience unless the recorder was miscalibrated. Very miscalibrated. I don't think Nakamichi sets their bias "too hot", but rather many of their decks, especially the older decks, use an EQ curve that differs from most other brands. The disparity of the Nak's and other decks' EQ curves is the likely cause of the "softening of the treble" when playing tapes made on other brands of cassette decks. Are you playing tapes made on non-Nakamichi cassette decks? If so, then the 120uS setting will brighten the sound of chrome tapes. Are you recording chrome tapes with the 120uS setting? I'm not trying to be stupid; some recordists do. Is so, the you'll need the 120uS setting, obviously? > // > To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70/us /sound too > dark, what some of you call a warm sound. To me, a dark sound is subdued treble, as you describe; warm refers to the dominance of even-order harmonic distortion, not treble loss. > When comparing the source to > the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120/us./ > // > Comments?????? Welll, I'm stumped. Unless, by some longshot chance, all your decks are out of calibration, or your speakers lack treble and the 120uS setting offsets those losses, or the deck's heads are far out of azimuth. Anyone else have a more-likely explanation? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbadar at esri.com Wed Jan 4 18:09:12 2006 From: mbadar at esri.com (Mike Badar) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:09:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Used LX-3 Message-ID: Greetings: I have an opportunity to purchase a used LX-3 for $299.00; it is available through Recycled Audio in Longmont, Colorado - http://www.recycledaudio.com/cp.html. What is your opinion on this deck and the asking price of $299? Thank you for your time. MJB From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 4 18:55:42 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:55:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00b401c61158$14c6b980$75c487d9@oemcomputer> The European TDK SA-X tapes in Europe were made in Holland, I think, not England. The cassette shells are not as good as those made in Japan and you may find (if you use a ZX-7/9) that you would need to re-set the azimuth between sides A and B. Others have also complained that the European made TDK SAs (including X?) are more prone to drop-outs than those from Japan. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of felic dans > Sent: 04 January 2006 13:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: modernizy at netscape.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks > spectaculuar!! > > > Nicholas, > > Thank You for the informative input. Okay so there goes the idea > of picking > some up for cheap. I will resort to my trust Maxell XLii-S. What is the > deal with those who argue that the Maxell XLii-S made in Japan is > superior > to those made in EU - England? Is this true? and for what reasons? What > about the TDK SA-X made in England? Any problems? OR fine cassette? > > Thanks, > > Felix > From matt_ryde at lineone.net Wed Jan 4 21:04:52 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:04:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Message-ID: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> Hi everyone. I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or just guidance toward old topics i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. Matt From jochi at qwest.net Wed Jan 4 21:13:29 2006 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:13:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4ABD271A-72BA-45F7-8DAF-86C178E0C189@qwest.net> Kermit, thanks for the explanation about bias level affecting both frequency response and distortion. Tweaking the system is one of the most fun aspects of analog gear. It is really fun to learn different ways to fine tune one's recordings to get a sound that pleases. I know I have a lot to learn, but I sure do enjoy the road to getting there. Jon On Jan 3, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Jon, > > Jon Ochi wrote: >> Dr. Dub, >> I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on >> blinking light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results >> of that small change really surprised me. The sound seems much >> clearer especially in the midrange and upper midrange. I do not >> know the audiophile way to describe the sound except to say that >> it is more lively--perhaps because of the apparent boost to the >> mid/upper midrange. > > Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. > Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest > distortion and widest frequency response. > >> The other discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I >> can enjoy the tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound >> just cuts through the road noise much better. The low level >> sound retrieval is much improved. > > Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: > > #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. > > #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. > > Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear > clearly at lower playback levels. > > So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your > tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to > hear everything. > > That's my theory, anyway. > >> So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please >> explain in layman's terms if you can because I do not understand >> technical theories very well. >> Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the >> "new" sound so far and want to record some other music to >> further experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that >> such a small tweak can change the sound like it does. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From 3ld at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 4 21:14:21 2006 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:14:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> Message-ID: <43BC2C9D.2000408@bellsouth.net> What is your budget? Mike Matt wrote: > Hi everyone. > I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim > dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding > a cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my > dodgy taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists > of an arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. > My vinyl relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always > dreamt of having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very > little about them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i > start to hunt around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am > not bursting at the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an > older machine i will need to think about servicing it too i would like > to strike a balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on > e-bay uk there are cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e > and probably a few others. I've heard that the later decks were > perhaps a little behind the general Nak quality but how do they > compare against the other makes. Any advice on the pro's and cons of > various machines will be gratefully welcomed. I am not very techy so > laymans terms even more appreciated or just guidance toward old topics > i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. Matt > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From rob at rhoag.com Wed Jan 4 21:25:12 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:25:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm sort of wondering if this could be because your hearing is not as acute to high frequencies as it was when your were younger? Most people loose their ability to hear the high end as they age and this could be the reason you are trying to compensave by setting your equ to 120us. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Dub Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi y'all, well, I must say that I performed the 70-120 'trick' for Cr02 and Metal tapes before I even had the $ to aquire my first Nakamichi. It seems to work the same on standard decks. Headroom and high frequ. do indeed sound more natural then. Kermit: of course I should have mentioned to do this on a ZX-7 as well; I guess TvdH performed a similar mod. on my CR-7 (back in the days when I still had it) in the settings of the autocal.comp., giving a similar result. However, I've never checked the 'improved car sound' and stuff, reminds me that i still have an old rd260 plus pa301 lying around, about time to equip my rover tomcat with those innit;-) Will let you know how that works out, best - dub ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ken says: Hmmm, maybe she was wanting to get into evangelical broadcasting! :-) Have you tuned around on a shortwave lately?? It is hard to find anything from the US that is not religious. Not that there is anything wrong with that. ( in the Jerry Seinfeld voice). Anyway, I bet she has fond memories of that summer too. Kermit asks: What model were your Klipsch? Ken says: Klipsch Heresy's also. When I was 16, I spent a couple of weeks one summer with my grandparents in Texarkana Texas. One day my grandfather came home from work and told me that since I had such a bug for music he was going to take me to see the best speakers in the world being built. So he drove me up to Hope Arkansas to the Klipsch factory. I met Paul, walked the factory floor, etc. I was amazed at testing and production processes. When I first heard the K horns, they played Head East "Never been any Reason" followed by ZZ top LaGrange using a Thorens table and Mac tube amps. They cranked it up loud. I had goose bumps on goose bumps. I was stunned. From that day on I wanted a system like that. So when I graduated from High School my grandfather gave me the cash to buy a used set of Hereseys. I still have them. They are loaned out to my mother in law. As the years went by I moved up to the Cornwalls and finally the K horns. I listen to Sonus Faber now, but when I throw a big ! party out doors, the Heresys are always put into action. A good turntable( or Nak), a good tube amp and tube preamp, and a pair of Klipsch horn loaded speakers will make music that is competitive with anything made today. IMHO... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jochi at qwest.net Wed Jan 4 21:28:05 2006 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:28:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <043201c610bd$3c8684f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> <043201c610bd$3c8684f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <3862D10F-5629-48F2-BFC5-6B72236BA4A3@qwest.net> Ron, I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead of the 70 eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape recording from vinyl that I did not like the sound as well. On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in the midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in the upper bass area. But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to increase the bias and level by 1.5. You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback on what works and does not work for me. YMMV. Jon On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: > I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency > response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that > Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a > softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when > listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for > playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds > right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a > routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening > this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay > CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The > CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always > sounds this way. > > To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound > too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the > source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the > EQ to 120us. > > Comments?????? > > Ron W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kermit V. Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs > > Hi Jon, > > Jon Ochi wrote: > > Dr. Dub, > > > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on > blinking > > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of > that small > > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer > especially in > > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile > way to > > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. > > Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, > you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and > widest > frequency response. > > > The other > > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts > through > > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > > improved. > > Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: > > #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. > > #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. > > Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear > clearly at lower playback levels. > > So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your > tapes are > clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. > > That's my theory, anyway. > > > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please > explain in > > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > > theories very well. > > > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > > experiment. 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Jan 4 21:30:36 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:30:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> Message-ID: I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you will probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two speed cue forward and backward. Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, which helps a lot in recording. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi everyone. I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or just guidance toward old topics i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. Matt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 4 21:41:44 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:41:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <050601c61147$2429fec0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <003901c6116f$47beda90$7300a8c0@Shaun> Ron, The instructions for my both my BX-2 and my BX-300 tell you to set the tape selector switch AND the equalizer switch according to the tape in use when making a recording. This is the same instruction that I have used for my previous two Aiwa machines. The only times that I have found my playback needing a high frequecy boost is when I have used a non recommended tape on a machine without bias adjustment (my aiwa only had fine bias adjustment for ferric tapes, not chrome types). Consequently TDK SA or Maxell UDXLII sounded excellent (recommended for my machine) but BASF chrome definitely needed a boost. Of course, tapes that have been left in the car and sunlight or near unshielded speakers also suffer from high frequecy loss and will benefit from switching from chrome to ferric equalization on playback. 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Nimesh Patel From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 4 21:49:43 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:49:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> Message-ID: <003e01c61170$652d6140$7300a8c0@Shaun> Matt, If you live in the UK or Europe then the BX300E will not disappoint you. They go at reasonable prices and are strill able to be serviced at B & W in the South of England. I have a USA model with a step-down transformer, as well as a BX-2 which is even cheaper to buy. I am enjoying both of them immensely and they have brought a new lease of life to my cassettes recorded, like yours, in the 70's and 80's. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: 04 January 2006 20:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi everyone. I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or just guidance toward old topics i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. Matt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Jan 4 21:49:41 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:49:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Message-ID: <43BC34E5.8030301@gte.net> Hi Ken, What amps are using with the Heresy's? Regards Bala Hi Bala, I don't use the Heresey's anymore except for parties. Then I drive them with a Rotel 200 watt something and a Mackie board. Not the last word in musicality, but it rocks for an outdoor party. I would use any nice tube amp with Heresey's. Even a nice old Dynaco would be fine. I believe most if not all of the older classic Klipsch speakers were voiced with tube amps, probably Macs. The worst combination is an average sounding solid state amp and a cheap cd player. Ear fatigue sets in quickly. Ken From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Jan 4 21:53:09 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:53:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Used LX-3 Message-ID: <43BC35B5.1000300@gte.net> Greetings: I have an opportunity to purchase a used LX-3 for $299.00; it is available through Recycled Audio in Longmont, Colorado - http://www.recycledaudio.com/cp.html. What is your opinion on this deck and the asking price of $299? Thank you for your time. MJB Ken replies: I have an LX 3. It is a nice 2 head Nak. But for 300.00 I would want an minty LX 5, three head deck. I think it is too high, even if it is mint. Look for a 3 head Nak. From pawel at bartuzi.org Wed Jan 4 22:14:27 2006 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:14:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> Message-ID: <43BC3AB3.7030502@bartuzi.org> Matt wrote: > Hi everyone. > I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim > dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding > a cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my > dodgy taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. If you are going to listen to your old tapes collection and if your tapes were recorded on different tape decks then a Nak with playback head azimuth adjustment would be handy: a Dragon, CR-7, Cassette Deck 1 or DR 1 (Cassette Deck 1 and DR 1 are identical inside). Playback azimuth adjustment _really_ does make a difference when listening to tapes recorded on different tapes. General opinion is the newer models don't have "something" the older ones have, but as I only have Cassette Deck 1 I cannot say how do they compare to Dragon and CR-7. -- Pawel From ktl at bornet.net Wed Jan 4 22:21:19 2006 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:21:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added Message-ID: I have added a whole lot of stuff, in all categories. Thanks everyone that has contributed to all stuff. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Jan 4 22:40:41 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:40:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net><43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com><043201c610bd$3c8684f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> <3862D10F-5629-48F2-BFC5-6B72236BA4A3@qwest.net> Message-ID: <076801c61177$82723120$6401a8c0@Rondo> Thanks Jon, Did the recording sound okay once you switched the EQ back to 120/us ? since that is also where it was set when you recorded? Yes, my hearing is not quite as good, but I noticed the same thing when I first got the deck when I was much younger in '87. One night soon I will try a new recording with the EQ switch set for chrome as well. There might be something in the auto-cal. that also determines which EQ is set. I must say that I always thought the EQ setting affected only playback and not what got recorded on the tape. Is there a modification by ESL or someone whereby one can vary the bias manually on the CR-7 while recording? And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for the CR-7 ? Ron W. Ron, I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead of the 70 eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape recording from vinyl that I did not like the sound as well. On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in the midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in the upper bass area. But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to increase the bias and level by 1.5. You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback on what works and does not work for me. YMMV. Jon On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. Comments?????? Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi Jon, Jon Ochi wrote: > Dr. Dub, > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest frequency response. > The other > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > improved. Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear clearly at lower playback levels. So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. That's my theory, anyway. > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > theories very well. > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > tweak can change the sound like it does. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 4 23:09:40 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:09:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00d701c6117b$8f599460$75c487d9@oemcomputer> The story reminds me of that song "Pamela Brown" by Leo Kottke... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 04 January 2006 20:25 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate > > > Gee... I hope Kermit didn't drive her to Evangelicasim. (not that there's > anything wrong with that) :~) > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ken Kirkpatrick > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:11 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate > > > Kermit said: > > " Sara is still happily > married to the evangelist, has five children (all of whom are grown > now), but I haven't seen her since we finally split up in 1979 (Or was > it 1980? I forget for sure). No hard feelings, we parted on good terms > and I still enjoy memories of that summer." > > > From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 23:19:05 2006 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:19:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! In-Reply-To: <00b401c61158$14c6b980$75c487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: what about the MAxelll XL-II-S made in England? problems? bad shell? etc? - felix >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks >spectaculuar!! >Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:55:42 -0000 > >The European TDK SA-X tapes in Europe were made in Holland, I think, not >England. The cassette shells are not as good as those made in Japan and >you >may find (if you use a ZX-7/9) that you would need to re-set the azimuth >between sides A and B. Others have also complained that the European made >TDK SAs (including X?) are more prone to drop-outs than those from Japan. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of felic dans > > Sent: 04 January 2006 13:41 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Cc: modernizy at netscape.net > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks > > spectaculuar!! > > > > > > Nicholas, > > > > Thank You for the informative input. Okay so there goes the idea > > of picking > > some up for cheap. I will resort to my trust Maxell XLii-S. What is the > > deal with those who argue that the Maxell XLii-S made in Japan is > > superior > > to those made in EU - England? Is this true? and for what reasons? What > > about the TDK SA-X made in England? Any problems? OR fine cassette? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Felix > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 5 00:12:36 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:12:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate In-Reply-To: <43BBD781.5090707@gte.net> References: <43BBD781.5090707@gte.net> Message-ID: <43BC5664.40507@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ken!, Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Kermit said: > > " Sara is still happily married to the evangelist, has five children > (all of whom are grown now), but I haven't seen her since we finally > split up in 1979 (Or was it 1980? I forget for sure). No hard feelings, > we parted on good terms and I still enjoy memories of that summer." > > Ken says: > > Hmmm, maybe she was wanting to get into evangelical broadcasting! :-) She really wanted to be a 1950s-era wife, in the mould of Ward & June Cleaver or Ozzie & Harriet Nelson, and I wasn't "stable enough" to assure her of an idyllic Middle Class Family life. But Mr. Evangelist was exactly that assurance. Ok, it's true; I didn't want to spend my time off work at home doing the yardwork, fixing leaky faucets, and "enjoying" . I ended up meeting my perfect match, a studio session drummer, tape-op and tape editor named Karin. I "corrupted" her and she replaced her Technics RS-630US cassette deck with a Nakamichi 550 (to record all her practices and her band's live gigs), and a Nak 1000. When she passed on, her family got the 1000 and all the tapes, but I got the 550. It's the second of my two 550s, the one nicknamed "Good Girl." My other 550, nicknamed "Bad Girl" is the one I bought, my first-ever Nak, and for the last thirty years it's had countless hours put on it, recording everything from live concerts, to sound effects for foley work, to demo tapes for bands, to my various recording experiments, to electromagnetic voice phenomena. > Have you tuned around on a shortwave lately?? It is hard to find > anything from the US that is not religious. Not that there is anything > wrong with that. ( in the Jerry Seinfeld voice). My Zenith Transoceanic shortwave died and I want to get it restored so I can listen again. Didn't know the state of US shortwave emissions. > Anyway, I bet she has fond memories of that summer too. I'm sure she does. We had too much fun that summer. > Kermit asks: > > What model were your Klipsch? > > Ken says: > > Klipsch Heresy's also. ... A good > turntable( or Nak), a good tube amp and tube preamp, and a pair of > Klipsch horn loaded speakers will make music that is competitive with > anything made today. IMHO... I'd agree. I ran my pair of Heresy with a Crown D75 fed by a Nak 610 preamp coordinating my 550, 600-II and Dual 1240 turntable with a Shure V-15 Type III and Stanton 681EEE hung off the end. Sounded like a broadcast studio control room. Very nice. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 5 00:20:14 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:20:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43BC582E.8070300@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham > Radio Operator I suppose. No, but my friend Alan, who designed my antenna, is. During my apprenticeship I worked part-time making advertsing and PSA tapes for AM broadcasts, and my mentor was a broadcast engineer at a local daytimer, as well as being an avid Ham radio guy. Even did the slow-scan tv, which was pretty interesting. I showed him my transmitter. He remarked it had the best AUDIO circuitry he'd ever seen in a transmitter but the RF sections were mediocre. He suggested I replace my awful Hartley local oscillator (which was made of scavenged parts -- I used the primary of an push-pull plate-to-voice coil transformer as one of the inductors) with a crystal oscillator and he loaned me a set of crystals for each available frequency. He also remarked that a 6L6 isn't really the best choice for an RF power amp, andsuggested I should have chosen a tube made for the purpose. Hey, it was a lark, and the whole transmitter was made of scrap parts. Hooking up fine audio gear, like the Nak 550 and the Dual 1218, was sort of overkill but that was a big part of the fun. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 5 00:28:24 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:28:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> Message-ID: <43BC5A18.6090609@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Matt, Matt wrote: > Hi everyone. > I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim > dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a > cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy > taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an > arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. Nice rig! Very nice. > My vinyl > relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. Which boxcar do you have on it? The Elys, I assume? > Currently on e-bay uk there are > cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few > others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the > general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any > advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully > welcomed. I'm fond of the older models myself, BUT they're often difficult to have repaired if they break down. I'd say, go for one of the CR or LX series Nakamichis. If your budget allows, I'd strongly recommend you try to find the Arcam cassette deck and have a matched setup! Other recorders worth considering that are good matches to your rig are the highest-end Luxman, Aiwa, or Tascam models. Of course, you can never go wrong with a Revox cassette deck. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From matt_ryde at lineone.net Thu Jan 5 01:06:53 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:06:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC2C9D.2000408@bellsouth.net> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> <43BC2C9D.2000408@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <43BC631D.5080506@lineone.net> Hi, this is my first attempt at posting and replying and I'm not too sure of the proper way to respond so if i get this wrong forgive me. I'm using mozilla thunderbird and it doesn't seem to include the message i'm replying to. Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping to keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent interconnect will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the budget reasonable because i'm also tempted to try and find a power amp to bi amp my speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to reconsider and perhaps forgoe the amp. Thanks for responding so quickly. Matt From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Jan 5 02:11:26 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:11:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC631D.5080506@lineone.net> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> <43BC2C9D.2000408@bellsouth.net> <43BC631D.5080506@lineone.net> Message-ID: <43BC723E.30804@cox.net> Matt - I'm a Thunderbird user too. To include the original text in your reply, click on 'Tools', then 'Account Settings', and then under your account click on 'Composition and Addressing'. Put a check mark in the "Automatically quote the original message when replying" box. Under that, you can choose to put your reply above or below the quote. As you can see, mine is set to be above the original quote. Tim As far as your Nak needs are concerned, I recommend you stick with a 3 head deck, and the most cost-effective 3 head machine is probably the LX-5. It seems undervalued for some reason but is a wonderful machine - and stylish, too. Above that, try for one of the ZX series. With them, you gain auto azimuth alignment and more flexible recording control. Matt wrote: > Hi, this is my first attempt at posting and replying and I'm not too > sure of the proper way to respond so if i get this wrong forgive me. > I'm using mozilla thunderbird and it doesn't seem to include the > message i'm replying to. > > Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping to > keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent interconnect > will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the budget reasonable > because i'm also tempted to try and find a power amp to bi amp my > speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to reconsider and > perhaps forgoe the amp. > > Thanks for responding so quickly. > > Matt > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From flifton at mac.com Thu Jan 5 02:14:46 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:14:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <200601050059.k050xGW1005103@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601050059.k050xGW1005103@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1A0AA758-BE79-4FBA-807A-93C6DA584D9B@mac.com> Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years old. Just something to think about... Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. My $.02. Fred On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: "Doane Hoag" > Date: January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST > To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete > decks > Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are > going to be > doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the > ZX7 but > with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but > you will > probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. > Both have > tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and > two > speed cue forward and backward. > > Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much > recording > control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias > adjustment, > which helps a lot in recording. > > Doane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 5 02:27:31 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:27:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <076801c61177$82723120$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: Equilization does only effect playback, but during recording, if your equilization is set wrong I guess it would change the sound if you have a tape monitor switch and are trying to A/B. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Walton Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:41 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Thanks Jon, Did the recording sound okay once you switched the EQ back to 120/us ? since that is also where it was set when you recorded? Yes, my hearing is not quite as good, but I noticed the same thing when I first got the deck when I was much younger in '87. One night soon I will try a new recording with the EQ switch set for chrome as well. There might be something in the auto-cal. that also determines which EQ is set. I must say that I always thought the EQ setting affected only playback and not what got recorded on the tape. Is there a modification by ESL or someone whereby one can vary the bias manually on the CR-7 while recording? And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for the CR-7 ? Ron W. Ron, I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead of the 70 eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape recording from vinyl that I did not like the sound as well. On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in the midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in the upper bass area. But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to increase the bias and level by 1.5. You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback on what works and does not work for me. YMMV. Jon On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. Comments?????? Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi Jon, Jon Ochi wrote: > Dr. Dub, > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest frequency response. > The other > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > improved. Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear clearly at lower playback levels. So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. That's my theory, anyway. > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > theories very well. > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > tweak can change the sound like it does. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 5 02:37:01 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:37:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I guess everyone wants to ignore my post.. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:25 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs I'm sort of wondering if this could be because your hearing is not as acute to high frequencies as it was when your were younger? Most people loose their ability to hear the high end as they age and this could be the reason you are trying to compensave by setting your equ to 120us. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Dub Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi y'all, well, I must say that I performed the 70-120 'trick' for Cr02 and Metal tapes before I even had the $ to aquire my first Nakamichi. It seems to work the same on standard decks. Headroom and high frequ. do indeed sound more natural then. Kermit: of course I should have mentioned to do this on a ZX-7 as well; I guess TvdH performed a similar mod. on my CR-7 (back in the days when I still had it) in the settings of the autocal.comp., giving a similar result. However, I've never checked the 'improved car sound' and stuff, reminds me that i still have an old rd260 plus pa301 lying around, about time to equip my rover tomcat with those innit;-) Will let you know how that works out, best - dub ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at stager.com Thu Jan 5 07:14:15 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:14:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors In-Reply-To: <200601050102.k0512lqT005188@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601050102.k0512lqT005188@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060105010607.02b43f10@stager.com> I'm looking at a Nak 670 in a two-tone finish: The font panel extrusions are black on a beautiful dark reddish-bronze background. This picture is a little too light but you can see what I mean. http://naumburgconcerts.org/media/Nak670-3.jpg Was this a common panel design for this machine? The only other 670Z's I've seen, and the one pictured at the Naks.con site are all black. http://www.naks.com/cgi-bin/modelspage.pl?series=660/670 Thanks, Marc Stager From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 5 08:02:02 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:02:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Scottish 481z - B&W and that end of tape failure to clik off. Message-ID: Hi Ian, Ti is right (haven't read Antoine's mail yet) - do nothing!!!! The 480 series do exactly as you have indicated, but don't worry - there is no tension on the tape nor strain on the motorwhen the tape reaches the end. If you eject the tape, turn it over, place it inside, and close the well, the deck will resume it's previous function, including recording without any input from you, until you press (do not "hit" however, euphemistically intended!!) the 'stop' button. Cheers and the best for 2006. Marc >>> antdes45 at yahoo.ca 1/2/2006 5:22:01 PM >>> Hi Ian, I was following an other topic on the 48x Naks and it seems to be normal that the button doesn't click off until you push an other. The Nak will stop, but the button will stay pushed. It's supposed to be for the timer feature. earthrite at gn.apc.org a écrit : Hi Antoine Thanks for that reply ...... and your good English language efforts. However in this quote from you below you are somewhat economic with the details.... :-) Do I understand that your view is that a to fix the end of tape switch off problem circuit is going to need attention to sort the problem? I had hoped there was a tension adjuster of some sort .......a mechanical rather than electronic solution! That a Nak klutz like this person could do I loved the threads about NAK decks tailored towards certain sound signatures CR7 to DAT and CD, Dragon to something else...... I wonder if I'll ever find a ZX9 ........ I think thats the sound I would go for ........ since getting the deck back the cd player is in retirement. Hi Adrian regarding the costs......... I shared these before Christmass, the cost including transport was £190 including VAT ...... but B&W will give you a ball park figure just phoning up and then a precise price after evaluating the machine on the bench ....... I was asked to authorise the actual cost before they went ahead so one always knows where on is with them and the costs I hope this helps Peace Ian >From: Antoine Deschines >Subject: Re: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update >and a paen to even a basic Nak >If there's nothing special for stopping, it's something that has to do > with the counter circuits that stops the deck. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 5 08:45:02 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:45:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! Message-ID: Hi Felix, Nicholas is right, for instance the Akai SX (green wrapper) and a standard type I ferric is best avoided and is made by heaven knows who. SKX LX is an ordinary ferric from SKM in Seoul and lies somewhere between TDK B and D. These are not hi-fi tapes for Nakamaniacs. Those who would argue that Japanese Maxells are superior to British ones are misinformed and quite incorrect. It might have arisen due to the TDK issues and they have extrapolated it to Maxells and perhaps other brands. There is no difference between the Maxell XLII-S tapes made in Japan and those made in England at their plant in Telford, Shropshire. Well, the inscription in the HRC shell IS in a different font. No, they are uniformly excellent. The TDK Europe plant is in Luxembourg. No TDKs are made in England. Initially there were significant differences between those made in Japan and those from this facility. Whether this is still an issue I do not know. Some of the members here have personal experience of major unacceptable quality issues and bad experiences die hard. For specifics of the problems, refer to the Naktalk archives. While on the subject, Sonys made in France are also fine. Cheers - Marc >>> katcadillac321 at hotmail.com 1/4/2006 3:40:43 PM >>> Nicholas, Thank You for the informative input. Okay so there goes the idea of picking some up for cheap. I will resort to my trust Maxell XLii-S. What is the deal with those who argue that the Maxell XLii-S made in Japan is superior to those made in EU - England? Is this true? and for what reasons? What about the TDK SA-X made in England? Any problems? OR fine cassette? Thanks, Felix >From: modernizy at netscape.net >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks >spectaculuar!! >Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 04:24:06 -0500 > >Hello, > >I have some tapes you mentioned and my opinion of them is quite negative. >These tapes are OEM-version of some other manufacturer as their cases look >quite alike as some other cheap tapes (RAKS, etc.) They have a tremendous >print-through effect and rather strong noise. They dirty tape heads very >quick. > >I can't recommend them to use with Naks. > >They are much inferior than TDK SA or maxell UDII, let alone SA-X or XLII >or XLII-S. > >With New Year greetings to everyone, > >Nicholas. > >-----Original Message----- >From: felic dans >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:41:57 -0500 >Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! > > >Hello Nak freaks, > >Anyone have any experience with old-school Akai GX Chrome tapes with >Nakamichi Decks ? > >Reliability? > >Sound quality? > >construction? > >If available, how do they compare to the TDK SA-X or MAXELL XLII-S? >___________________________________________________ >Try the New Netscape Mail Today! >Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List >http://mail.netscape.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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I deliberately used an entry-level tape, although new - a Sony EF. It is a complex and well-built machine. I had to think hard to get accustomed to the control set. I have my doubts about the quality of the Dolby C cicuit. There was no handbook and I could not apply the very complete set of calibration facilities. It seemed to over-attenuate on replay. Despite this, on this humble tape, the deck sounded unusually clean and extremely stable. I found the real time (elapsed/remaining) counter fine, but with no option of a linear counter, a bit annoying. I have given the dealer R100 to give it to his apparently highly skilled techie to assess spares availibility, the wear and alignment of heads, the same with the belts and any other issues. Otherwise - top-flight non-Nak. The TA-2700 will be the same - just one or two features which don't matter that much. Good luck Tayfur. Marc >>> t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr 12/30/2005 12:06:14 PM >>> Hi Nakkers Anybody has any experience with this ONKYO-Intergra-TA-2700 series, as claimed by the seller Genuine Nakamichi Heads used??? http://cgi.ebay.com/Onkyo-Integra-TA-2700-3-head-Cassette-Nakamichi-Heads_W0QQitemZ5847505457QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Happy New Year!!! Tayfur The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 5 10:51:53 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:51:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] cheap supply of sony chrome tapes? Message-ID: Adrian, Howdy, This UX-S is almost certainly made in Mexico. It is the same formula that they have used for UX-S since 1991. The shell is not too bad and quite attractive - not screwed together - it is industrially bonded and the tolerances seem very good. Print on the shell is green. The colour of the shell is a deep transparent blue. In use, the tape has a slightly rising sensitivity in the HF but is quite sensitive to excessive record level. (About the same SAT figures as TDK SA, but much more vibrant, exciting tonal style of a super-chrome.)However, it is also very quiet, leaving a very wide dynamic range as one might expect with a good type II. It is dolby friendly and all in all, a very rewarding type II. That's a ridiculously low price, so I'd buy plenty if I were you. Marc >>> ady at spamcop.net 12/30/2005 10:51:06 PM >>> hi.. just noticed what seems a very cheap supplier of new Sony Chrome tapes UX-S.. http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_sony_uxs_c90_prodinfo.html Does anyone have any experience of this tape? adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Thu Jan 5 11:20:11 2006 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:20:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] O/T References: Message-ID: <007d01c611e1$9e1fdd40$0401a8c0@TG> Hi Marc, You amazed me once again. Thanks for the actual tests.The tape you used really worse than entery level (to me present normal Sony tapes very low with quality). Some Onkyo machines in 80's really top-of-the line; you can have more in this link; Take a look at TA-2070 & 2090 are my favorites.. http://www.hnny.nl/archief_onkyo/recorders-cassettedecks.html Thanks again Marc... Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc hugo" To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] O/T Hi Tayfur, Strangely enough I just auditioned (tested) an Onkyo TA-2800 two days ago. I deliberately used an entry-level tape, although new - a Sony EF. It is a complex and well-built machine. I had to think hard to get accustomed to the control set. I have my doubts about the quality of the Dolby C cicuit. There was no handbook and I could not apply the very complete set of calibration facilities. It seemed to over-attenuate on replay. Despite this, on this humble tape, the deck sounded unusually clean and extremely stable. I found the real time (elapsed/remaining) counter fine, but with no option of a linear counter, a bit annoying. I have given the dealer R100 to give it to his apparently highly skilled techie to assess spares availibility, the wear and alignment of heads, the same with the belts and any other issues. Otherwise - top-flight non-Nak. The TA-2700 will be the same - just one or two features which don't matter that much. Good luck Tayfur. Marc >>> t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr 12/30/2005 12:06:14 PM >>> Hi Nakkers Anybody has any experience with this ONKYO-Intergra-TA-2700 series, as claimed by the seller Genuine Nakamichi Heads used??? http://cgi.ebay.com/Onkyo-Integra-TA-2700-3-head-Cassette-Nakamichi-Heads_W0QQitemZ5847505457QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Happy New Year!!! Tayfur The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.11/219 - Release Date: 02.01.2006 From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Jan 5 13:12:07 2006 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:12:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C7E00861E70493-1E50-4D414@mblkn-m12.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Felix, Some time ago (3-4 years appr.) there were problems with TDK tapes made in Europe (particularly Luxembourg). Their quality differed from tape to tape within very large margins and proved to be much inferior compared to the ones made in Japan at the end of 90s. This situation concerns TDK D, AD, SA, SA-X and MA types of TDK tapes together with some non-common line tapes (CDing, FE-1, A, etc). Since then I quit using new TDK tapes and can't say if the situation changes to the better or to the worse. I can only say that TDK SA-XS and MA-EX tapes I bought in 2004 were quite up to the mark of this famous and respectable tape manufacturer. As to maxell brand, my own comparisons between XLII-S and MX-S tapes made in Japan and in England do not show up any considerable differences: both groups of tapes demonstrate excellent results on recording and playback on Nak and non-Nak decks. In fact these are my favourite tapes. With the very best wishes, Nicholas. -----Original Message----- From: felic dans To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: modernizy at netscape.net Sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:40:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! Nicholas, Thank You for the informative input. Okay so there goes the idea of picking some up for cheap. I will resort to my trust Maxell XLii-S. What is the deal with those who argue that the Maxell XLii-S made in Japan is superior to those made in EU - England? Is this true? and for what reasons? What about the TDK SA-X made in England? Any problems? OR fine cassette? Thanks, Felix ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sendigitall at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 13:55:34 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:55:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] cr-4 info In-Reply-To: <200601051102.k05B17w8007229@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060105125534.38676.qmail@web52913.mail.yahoo.com> hi .............does the cr-4 have any test tone generator for calibration?......this cr4 is quiet diffrent ...it has manual bias and level calibration?.....how different is this from bias fine tune and normal rec level ?.....is there any simalr nak ..like the cr4?.....kindly let me know.......... --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ady at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 15:11:09 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:11:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cheap supply of sony chrome tapes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DFE55DC-6EDE-4126-86C7-EE075C1D2EDE@spamcop.net> thanks for the reply Marc and your detailed opinions... my supply of TDK SA's is diminishing quickly so I think I'll put an order in ASAP.. This company has been recommended to me many times and they charge a one off shipping fees for EU destinations so a large order is worthwhile... would it be worth any other UK forum members pooling together for a joint order? adrian On 5 Jan 2006, at 09:51, Marc hugo wrote: Adrian, Howdy, This UX-S is almost certainly made in Mexico. It is the same formula that they have used for UX-S since 1991. The shell is not too bad and quite attractive - not screwed together - it is industrially bonded and the tolerances seem very good. Print on the shell is green. The colour of the shell is a deep transparent blue. In use, the tape has a slightly rising sensitivity in the HF but is quite sensitive to excessive record level. (About the same SAT figures as TDK SA, but much more vibrant, exciting tonal style of a super-chrome.)However, it is also very quiet, leaving a very wide dynamic range as one might expect with a good type II. It is dolby friendly and all in all, a very rewarding type II. That's a ridiculously low price, so I'd buy plenty if I were you. Marc >>> ady at spamcop.net 12/30/2005 10:51:06 PM >>> hi.. just noticed what seems a very cheap supplier of new Sony Chrome tapes UX-S.. http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_sony_uxs_c90_prodinfo.html Does anyone have any experience of this tape? adrian ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 5 06:25:49 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:25:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pamela Brown In-Reply-To: <00d701c6117b$8f599460$75c487d9@oemcomputer> References: <00d701c6117b$8f599460$75c487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43BCADDD.6080200@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Oh wow ... Leo Kottke! My favorite album all through high school and college was “Dreams And All That Stuff”, which had the tracks Mona Ray, When Shrimps Learn to Whistle, Twilight Property, Bill Cheatham, Vertical Trees, Constant Traveler, Why Ask Why?, Taking a Sandwich to A Feast, Hole in the Day and Mona Roy (my favorite track). Actually, it was the ONLY Kottke album I had, but it was still my favorite. I wore out three copies of the LP. Still have at least one copy, maybe two. And I have no idea how many cassette copies (made on the Nak 600-II) I wore out. I kept intending to try his other albums but somehow never got the chance. I often used cassettes of the album (played back via the Nak 550) to help set up SR systems. You have to see how the sound coverage and overall frequency balance is in the venue, right? Anyway, it was a good excuse to enjoy my music on a really big audio system. Following your mess[age] I looked up the lyrics to "Pamela Brown." I haven't laughed this hard in years! Hey, what can I say, I'm not the "domestic bliss" type of guy but I admire those who are. Too many ideas to try out. Too much music to listen to. Probably a good thing I never married. I'd pity the poor girl. Nelson wrote: > The story reminds me of that song "Pamela Brown" by Leo Kottke... -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From fugue4all at shaw.ca Thu Jan 5 16:41:19 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:41:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ Mod References: <200601051501.k05F1pIW007803@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <006e01c6120e$78dcdba0$8902a8c0@warbird> > And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for the CR-7 > Ron W. Hi, Ron: The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production after S/N A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to be in my future..... Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 From jeff at eslabs.com Thu Jan 5 16:35:19 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:35:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 References: <200601021524.k02FO2Gk023875@zxe.naks.com> <626EE18A-C557-46CE-9CDC-0909C66C1D3B@mac.com> Message-ID: <021a01c6120f$f5d4ef20$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Hi Fred, There is a time lag due to the distance between the record and play heads. We have sold some ZX-7's & ZX-9's that we modified to have a play head azimuth adjustment instead of the record head. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 On my ESL rebuilt ZX7, I find I have to turn the azimuth adjust knob quite slowly and then wait for it to "catch up." It never takes more than about 1/2 turn or so to find the correct adjustment. Going slowly and waiting is the key. Good things take time... Happy New Year Nakkers! cheers, Fred On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:24 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: Sándor István Date: January 2, 2006 3:30:42 AM PST To: thole at planet.nl, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Hello Superthol, the ZX-series are very nice units (my opinion). My opinion also (some may not agree) that record head azimuth justage is a more important factor, than playback azimuth correction (supposed you make recordings on your deck, and usually listen to cassettes made on properly aligned decks). If you make your own records, and you use different kind of cassettes, it is a must to have this feature. I admit my RX-505 plays nice also, but far from recording capabilities of my ZX-7, because record azimuth correction is not provided (and some other calibration features also missing), it is a big handycap. As the recording head azimuth setting procedure is based on the playback-head response it is vital your playback section MUST be set correctly first. Otherwise all is for nothing, you MAY make recordings sound good on your (the same) machine, but they will be mostly poor on other units. The azimuth-justage is mechanical. A small worm-gear moves a steel tape (which is fitted in a ladder-like blue plastic), and this steel tape moves the recording head. Be very careful with setting the azimuth, as the connection between the worm-gear and the steel tape is quite weak, and it may happen they will disengage. Then you have to repair it... For this reason I heavily recommend to use the azimuth-knob very gently, do not turn it fast (let it settle), and do not turn it over (I have no data what is the range of the knob, and to be honest I do not have the intention to risk a try also). If you feel that the knob is stopped, under no circumstances turn it with force. Happy New Year! :-) István Ps.: ZX-7/9 have NO playback-azimuth correction feature. You must have a CR7, a Dragon, or a 680 series deck (am I right?) for this purpose. It is important only if you listen "alien" cassettes also. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugue4all at shaw.ca Thu Jan 5 17:10:04 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:10:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth and NAAC stuff References: <200601051552.k05FquXZ008040@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <007701c61212$7d46a190$8902a8c0@warbird> Hi, folks--was going through my bookmarks, and found a web page by Scott Johnson that answers some questions about Nak decks that periodically come up on the list: http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html A couple of interesting snips: and, on NAAC: < What is NAAC? NAAC stands for Nakamichi Auto Azimuth Correction. Only the Dragon home deck and the various versions of the TD-1200 for the car have NAAC. It works by splitting the gap on the right channel into 2 gaps. Each gap is then separately amplified, send through a 3-6 kHz bandpass filters and waveform squaring circuits before they go to a phase comparator. The phase comparator then feeds a circuit that drives the PB head azimuth motor to minimize the error. NAAC has a funny scheme for when it operates. NAAC operation is started when the transport is put into play or when audio is silent for approximately 2 seconds. 100mS after music is detected the NAAC light will start flashing at a 2 Hz rate and will continue for about 6 seconds. The azimuth motor is driven to find the point of least phase error for about 3 seconds then it will stop for 3 seconds and adjust again for about 3 seconds if there is still some error. After 10 seconds NAAC will stop even if it hasn't found the correct azimuth. NAAC will restart again when music resumes after a 2 second or more period of silence or when the direction of tape travel is reversed or when going to stop and back to play. NAAC does NOT continuously adjust azimuth through out the tape. NAAC light off - System was reset NAAC light flashing - System is currently adjusting NAAC light on - System has completed it's adjustment More information can be found on page 4 of the Dragon brochure. I have posted a scan here: http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/Dragon_4_sm.jpg> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 17:12:46 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:12:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060105161246.675.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think you gave the reason everyone DOESN'T want to give for setting that switch Doane :) Bala Doane Hoag wrote: I guess everyone wants to ignore my post.. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:25 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs I'm sort of wondering if this could be because your hearing is not as acute to high frequencies as it was when your were younger? Most people loose their ability to hear the high end as they age and this could be the reason you are trying to compensave by setting your equ to 120us. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Dub Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi y'all, well, I must say that I performed the 70-120 'trick' for Cr02 and Metal tapes before I even had the $ to aquire my first Nakamichi. It seems to work the same on standard decks. Headroom and high frequ. do indeed sound more natural then. Kermit: of course I should have mentioned to do this on a ZX-7 as well; I guess TvdH performed a similar mod. on my CR-7 (back in the days when I still had it) in the settings of the autocal.comp., giving a similar result. However, I've never checked the 'improved car sound' and stuff, reminds me that i still have an old rd260 plus pa301 lying around, about time to equip my rover tomcat with those innit;-) Will let you know how that works out, best - dub ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of felic dans > Sent: 04 January 2006 22:19 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks > spectaculuar!! > > > > what about the MAxelll XL-II-S made in England? problems? bad shell? etc? > > - felix > From jochi at qwest.net Thu Jan 5 17:12:19 2006 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:12:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <076801c61177$82723120$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net><43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com><043201c610bd$3c8684f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> <3862D10F-5629-48F2-BFC5-6B72236BA4A3@qwest.net> <076801c61177$82723120$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <37857D73-91EB-4490-97C2-227C99ACF272@qwest.net> Hi Ron W, I made a serious mistake in my evaluation of the chrome tape recorded at 120 eq. I had commented that the higher frequencies seemed to be boosted compared to the mids and low frequencies, but yet somehow everything sounded muffled. Now I know why it sounded muffled. I failed to set the eq to 120 on PLAYBACK. Duh! No wonder it sounded muffled! Anyway, I compared again at 120 eq. What I heard in my system was a higher frequency boost (without the muffling), but there seemed to be TOO MUCH boost on instruments like symbols. I would describe the sound as more like a recording made with no Dolby. I used to like that more exciting sound, but after hearing what Kermit and others have said about using Dolby B as a way to eliminate high frequency distortion, I have come to like Dolby B better than no Dolby. There are Nakkers who prefer non Dolby recording so perhaps there is room for personal preference in this matter, but I am in the Dolby B camp. So in sum, the chrome tapes with 120 eq did sound more "exciting" but overall I found it to be too much of a good thing in my system to my ears. My speakers (Quad ESL 63s) already have nice clarity in the higher frequencies so my system needs no boost in this area. YMMV. Jon On Jan 4, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Ron Walton wrote: > Thanks Jon, > > Did the recording sound okay once you switched the EQ back to 120/ > us ? since that is also where it was set when you recorded? > > Yes, my hearing is not quite as good, but I noticed the same thing > when I first got the deck when I was much younger in '87. One > night soon I will try a new recording with the EQ switch set for > chrome as well. There might be something in the auto-cal. that > also determines which EQ is set. I must say that I always thought > the EQ setting affected only playback and not what got recorded on > the tape. > > Is there a modification by ESL or someone whereby one can vary the > bias manually on the CR-7 while recording? > > And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for > the CR-7 ? > > Ron W. > > > Ron, > > I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead of > the 70 eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape > recording from vinyl that I did not like the sound as well. > > On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in > the midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in the > upper bass area. > > But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to increase > the bias and level by 1.5. > You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback > on what works and does not work for me. YMMV. > > Jon > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: > >> I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency >> response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought >> that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a >> softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when >> listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for >> playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds >> right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a >> routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening >> this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay >> CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. >> The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it >> always sounds this way. >> >> To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound >> too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the >> source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch >> the EQ to 120us. >> >> Comments?????? >> >> Ron W. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kermit V. Gray >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >> >> Hi Jon, >> >> Jon Ochi wrote: >> > Dr. Dub, >> > >> > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on >> blinking >> > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of >> that small >> > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer >> especially in >> > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile >> way to >> > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps >> > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. >> >> Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. >> Apparently, >> you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and >> widest >> frequency response. >> >> > The other >> > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy >> the >> > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts >> through >> > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much >> > improved. >> >> Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: >> >> #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. >> >> #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. >> >> Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear >> clearly at lower playback levels. >> >> So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your >> tapes are >> clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear >> everything. >> >> That's my theory, anyway. >> >> > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please >> explain in >> > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical >> > theories very well. >> > >> > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" >> > sound so far and want to record some other music to further >> > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a >> small >> > tweak can change the sound like it does. >> >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio >> info >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 5 17:15:19 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:15:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <1A0AA758-BE79-4FBA-807A-93C6DA584D9B@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi, Fred: Actually, the ZX-7 (1981-1984) was only made 1 year earlier then the ZX-9 (1982-1985). The ZX-7 I have now was made in `83, so would be 23 years old, not 30 something.. I'm not quibbling about this, it's just that everyone on this board has been talking about much older Naks as well that are their favorites, like the 1000 series (pre `84), the 680 series (pre `82), etc. Even a CR4 is going to be over 16 years old (1988-90). I think the main thing is going to be the condition it's in and whether parts are available. It seems like almost anything you buy on Ebay is going to need some work even though everyone of them states they "have had very little use," (Like some one is going to fork out the money for a new Nakamichi and then not use it?) ;~) The CR series is really nice, also, even the DR series, which are even newer then the CRs would be a great deal for the money.. the DR10 was made from 1999 on and has bias control, three heads, tape monitor, etc DR2 was the same and just a bit older. I've seen 3 head DRs sell on Ebay for $100-$200 There's a DR2 right now that's at $102, but the reserve hasn't been meet http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5848023820 Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years old. Just something to think about... Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. My $.02. Fred On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: "Doane Hoag" Date: January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you will probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two speed cue forward and backward. Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, which helps a lot in recording. Doane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Thu Jan 5 17:17:51 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:17:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ Mod References: <200601051501.k05F1pIW007803@zxe.naks.com> <006e01c6120e$78dcdba0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <096201c61213$93666e00$6401a8c0@Rondo> Thanks Paul, I will have to check my serial number. I bought the deck new in '87. Around 1992 I sent it in for service and they (Listen UP, Denver) called me to say it needed the gear update. Would they have done the EQ update automatically if it needed it? Ron W. > And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for the CR-7 > Ron W. Hi, Ron: The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production after S/N A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to be in my future..... Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Jan 5 18:17:38 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:17:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BD54B2.1060804@cox.net> No, that's wrong. Equilization affects both record and playback. To test this, pop a tape in your machine and begin recording. While recording, flip the EQ switch back and forth a few times from 70 to 120. Then play back the recorded section but leave the EQ switch in one position - you'll hear the sound quality change at the spots where you were flipping the switch while recording. In the ZX-7 service manual (page 60) are two graphs, one is the Playback EQ amp frequency response, the other is the Record EQ amp current frequency response. The graphs show deviations of 3 to 4 dB between 70uS and 120uS settings which begin at about 800Hz continue up to slightly over 20kHz. Tim Doane Hoag wrote: > Equilization does only effect playback, but during recording, if your > equilization is set wrong I guess it would change the sound if you > have a tape monitor switch and are trying to A/B. > > Doane > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Ron Walton > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:41 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs > > Thanks Jon, > > Did the recording sound okay once you switched the EQ back to 120/us ? > since that is also where it was set when you recorded? > > Yes, my hearing is not quite as good, but I noticed the same thing > when I first got the deck when I was much younger in '87. One night > soon I will try a new recording with the EQ switch set for chrome as > well. There might be something in the auto-cal. that also determines > which EQ is set. I must say that I always thought the EQ setting > affected only playback and not what got recorded on the tape. > > Is there a modification by ESL or someone whereby one can vary the > bias manually on the CR-7 while recording? > > And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for > the CR-7 ? > > Ron W. > > > Ron, > > I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead of > the 70 eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape > recording from vinyl that I did not like the sound as well. > > On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in > the midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in > the upper bass area. > > But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to > increase the bias and level by 1.5. > You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback > on what works and does not work for me. YMMV. > > Jon > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: > >> I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency >> response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought >> that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a >> softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, >> when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120/us. / Even >> for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble >> sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same >> on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been >> listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just >> purchased a ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set >> to 120 /us /too. The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration >> many times and it always sounds this way. >> // >> To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70/us >> /sound too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When >> comparing the source to the tape, the treble is not even close >> until I switch the EQ to 120/us./ >> // >> Comments?????? >> >> Ron W. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Kermit V. Gray >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >> >> Hi Jon, >> >> Jon Ochi wrote: >> > Dr. Dub, >> > >> > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + >> on blinking >> > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results >> of that small >> > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer >> especially in >> > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the >> audiophile way to >> > describe the sound except to say that it is more >> lively--perhaps >> > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. >> >> Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. >> Apparently, >> you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion >> and widest >> frequency response. >> >> > The other >> > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can >> enjoy the >> > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just >> cuts through >> > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval >> is much >> > improved. >> >> Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: >> >> #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. >> >> #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. >> >> Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to >> hear >> clearly at lower playback levels. >> >> So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, >> your tapes are >> clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear >> everything. >> >> That's my theory, anyway. >> >> > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? >> Please explain in >> > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand >> technical >> > theories very well. >> > >> > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like >> the "new" >> > sound so far and want to record some other music to further >> > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that >> such a small >> > tweak can change the sound like it does. >> >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro >> audio info >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 18:22:21 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:22:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth and NAAC stuff In-Reply-To: <007701c61212$7d46a190$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <20060105172221.88430.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You found my web page. If you spot any errors please let me know. Scott J. --- Paul Dingle wrote: > Hi, folks--was going through my bookmarks, and found a web page by > Scott > Johnson that answers some questions about Nak decks that > periodically come > up on the list: > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > A couple of interesting snips: > with > azimuth adjust capability. > > The 660ZX, 670ZX, 680ZX, 681ZX and 682ZX automatically adjust the > record > head azimuth to the stationary playback head during record auto > calibration. > On the plain 680 the record head must be manually adjusted to the > playback. > > The ZX-7 and ZX-9 has user adjustable record head azimuth. > > The CR-7, Cassette Deck 1, DR-1, TD-500, TD-700 and TD-800 have > manual > playback azimuth adjustment during playback only. On the CR-7 (and > maybe > the Cassette Deck 1 and DR-1 too) the front panel azimuth pot is > bypassed > and the playback head is automatically adjusted to the record head > during > recording. When switching to play the head rotates back to the > position > indicated by the azimuth adjust pot. > > The Dragon, with NAAC, automatically adjusts the playback head to > the tape > during playback and is automatically adjusted to the record head in > record > mode. No manual adjustment is possible. The TD-1200 with NAAC > performs > exactly like the Dragon, but, in play only since is doesn't record. > > Of course ALL the decks have azimuth adjust screws for the service > person to > tweak. If you don't have the calibration tapes and equipment > necessary to > make these adjustments please don't.> > > and, on NAAC: > > < What is NAAC? > NAAC stands for Nakamichi Auto Azimuth Correction. Only the Dragon > home > deck and the various versions of the TD-1200 for the car have NAAC. > It > works by splitting the gap on the right channel into 2 gaps. Each > gap is > then separately amplified, send through a 3-6 kHz bandpass filters > and > waveform squaring circuits before they go to a phase comparator. > The phase > comparator then feeds a circuit that drives the PB head azimuth > motor to > minimize the error. NAAC has a funny scheme for when it operates. > NAAC > operation is started when the transport is put into play or when > audio is > silent for approximately 2 seconds. 100mS after music is detected > the NAAC > light will start flashing at a 2 Hz rate and will continue for > about 6 > seconds. The azimuth motor is driven to find the point of least > phase error > for about 3 seconds then it will stop for 3 seconds and adjust > again for > about 3 seconds if there is still some error. After 10 seconds > NAAC will > stop even if it hasn't found the correct azimuth. NAAC will > restart again > when music resumes after a 2 second or more period of silence or > when the > direction of tape travel is reversed or when going to stop and back > to play. > NAAC does NOT continuously adjust azimuth through out the tape. > > NAAC light off - System was reset > NAAC light flashing - System is currently adjusting > NAAC light on - System has completed it's adjustment > > More information can be found on page 4 of the Dragon brochure. I > have > posted a scan here: > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/Dragon_4_sm.jpg> > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: > 1/4/2006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From jeff at eslabs.com Thu Jan 5 19:30:22 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:30:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks References: <200601050059.k050xGW1005103@zxe.naks.com> <1A0AA758-BE79-4FBA-807A-93C6DA584D9B@mac.com> Message-ID: <008e01c6122e$838ed790$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Hi Fred, I just want you to know that I am not the only Nakamichi expert at E.S. Labs. Most of the cassette decks are serviced by Erik, the perfectionist! We work as a team! Therefore, "Galinized" won't fly. These days, I am just a troubleshooter when in need and that is not too often. I'm buried in paperwork and on a mission to find replacement parts. By the way, a ZX-7 can't be more than 25 years old. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years old. Just something to think about... Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. My $.02. Fred On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: "Doane Hoag" Date: January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you will probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two speed cue forward and backward. Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, which helps a lot in recording. Doane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugue4all at shaw.ca Thu Jan 5 21:36:28 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:36:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Azimuth and NAAC stuff References: <200601051933.k05JX6F5008958@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <010301c61237$b4823050$8902a8c0@warbird> Hi, Scott: Just a thank-you for the content on your web page--I've had it for about three years now, and found it both useful and enlightening. Best, Paul >> From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth and NAAC stuff > > > You found my web page. > > If you spot any errors please let me know. > > Scott J. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 From fugue4all at shaw.ca Thu Jan 5 21:51:17 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:51:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ mod/ Jeff Galin on "Galinizing" References: <200601051933.k05JX6F5008958@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <010b01c61239$c64786d0$8902a8c0@warbird> Hi, Ron: You may have purchased a pre-85 unit. I don't know if the eq issue was a "standard" or mandated repair with authorized Nakamichi service folks (Jeff Galin could speak best to this-he just posted!), or had to be requested. Interestingly, in a copy of my CR7 service manual (from techman777 on EBay) there are service update instructions for the gear mod, but no info on the eq mod. I read a great deal about the differences between the older transport mechanisms and the Sankyo ones, and had some initial concerns about the reliability of the CR7, but it has since proven to be a real workhorse for me once the cam motor issue was resolved. The other big plus for me is that OEM belts aren't as critical in the CR7 (or ZX9) like they are in my LX3. Jeff, if you're out there, can you shed any light on any of this? Best, Paul > From: "Ron Walton" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 EQ Mod >> Thanks Paul, > > I will have to check my serial number. I bought the deck new in '87. Around 1992 I sent it in for service and they (Listen UP, Denver) called me to say it needed the gear update. Would they have done the EQ update automatically if it needed it? > > Ron W. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 5 21:54:07 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:54:07 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC75@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> I think that this deck has been modified or the paint has faded, I've never seen any Nak 6xx series deck with this finish. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: Thursday, 5 January 2006 5:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors I'm looking at a Nak 670 in a two-tone finish: The font panel extrusions are black on a beautiful dark reddish-bronze background. This picture is a little too light but you can see what I mean. http://naumburgconcerts.org/media/Nak670-3.jpg Was this a common panel design for this machine? The only other 670Z's I've seen, and the one pictured at the Naks.con site are all black. http://www.naks.com/cgi-bin/modelspage.pl?series=660/670 Thanks, Marc Stager ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 5 17:35:20 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:35:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pamela Brown In-Reply-To: <43BCADDD.6080200@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: HOhoooo... One of my favorite stoned days singers too, along with Danny O'keefe, the Farina's, Ricky Lee Jones, Dylan, of course, and a bunch of others. Camping, deep in Mexico, in my `66 split window VW campmobile with a pop up canvas top that I put a skylight in, mahagony lined interior, and a super Pioneer cassette AM/FM with separate amp and some KLH 6" door speakers and Minimus 7 speakers in the back hooked up as ambience speakers using the Hafler circuit http://sound.westhost.com/project18.htm .. wow did that sound great! Guess I should be glad I'm still alive! :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pamela Brown Hi Gra' Oh wow ... Leo Kottke! My favorite album all through high school and college was “Dreams And All That Stuff”, which had the tracks Mona Ray, When Shrimps Learn to Whistle, Twilight Property, Bill Cheatham, Vertical Trees, Constant Traveler, Why Ask Why?, Taking a Sandwich to A Feast, Hole in the Day and Mona Roy (my favorite track). Actually, it was the ONLY Kottke album I had, but it was still my favorite. I wore out three copies of the LP. Still have at least one copy, maybe two. And I have no idea how many cassette copies (made on the Nak 600-II) I wore out. I kept intending to try his other albums but somehow never got the chance. I often used cassettes of the album (played back via the Nak 550) to help set up SR systems. You have to see how the sound coverage and overall frequency balance is in the venue, right? Anyway, it was a good excuse to enjoy my music on a really big audio system. Following your mess[age] I looked up the lyrics to "Pamela Brown." I haven't laughed this hard in years! Hey, what can I say, I'm not the "domestic bliss" type of guy but I admire those who are. Too many ideas to try out. Too much music to listen to. Probably a good thing I never married. I'd pity the poor girl. Nelson wrote: > The story reminds me of that song "Pamela Brown" by Leo Kottke... -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We have sold some ZX-7's & ZX-9's that we modified to have a play head azimuth adjustment instead of the record head. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 On my ESL rebuilt ZX7, I find I have to turn the azimuth adjust knob quite slowly and then wait for it to "catch up." It never takes more than about 1/2 turn or so to find the correct adjustment. Going slowly and waiting is the key. Good things take time... Happy New Year Nakkers! cheers, Fred On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:24 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: Sándor István Date: January 2, 2006 3:30:42 AM PST To: thole at planet.nl, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Hello Superthol, the ZX-series are very nice units (my opinion). My opinion also (some may not agree) that record head azimuth justage is a more important factor, than playback azimuth correction (supposed you make recordings on your deck, and usually listen to cassettes made on properly aligned decks). If you make your own records, and you use different kind of cassettes, it is a must to have this feature. I admit my RX-505 plays nice also, but far from recording capabilities of my ZX-7, because record azimuth correction is not provided (and some other calibration features also missing), it is a big handycap. As the recording head azimuth setting procedure is based on the playback-head response it is vital your playback section MUST be set correctly first. Otherwise all is for nothing, you MAY make recordings sound good on your (the same) machine, but they will be mostly poor on other units. The azimuth-justage is mechanical. A small worm-gear moves a steel tape (which is fitted in a ladder-like blue plastic), and this steel tape moves the recording head. Be very careful with setting the azimuth, as the connection between the worm-gear and the steel tape is quite weak, and it may happen they will disengage. Then you have to repair it... For this reason I heavily recommend to use the azimuth-knob very gently, do not turn it fast (let it settle), and do not turn it over (I have no data what is the range of the knob, and to be honest I do not have the intention to risk a try also). If you feel that the knob is stopped, under no circumstances turn it with force. Happy New Year! :-) István Ps.: ZX-7/9 have NO playback-azimuth correction feature. You must have a CR7, a Dragon, or a 680 series deck (am I right?) for this purpose. 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I know the subject has been discussed exhaustively on this list and that many of us feel that most interconnects are snake-oil and that people who claim to hear a difference are psycho-acoustically influenced by the large amount of money they just spent on two chunks of wire wrapped in plastic. In my experience, $10-$20 buys you a nice sturdy cable with good quality shielding, plenty of copper and a firm connection. That's all you need. Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts of phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your amplifier really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If so, shop for a new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the interference claims either. Guitarists don't use one amp for the three high strings and one for the three bass strings and, electrically, these are much smaller signals and so presumably more prone to interference and interaction due to inductance. Same thing applies to pure acoustics: all the tones come out of the same sound hole on a violin, right? No, for me bi-amping makes about as much sense as any other form of segregation. That's my $.02. Take it or leave it. cheers, Fred On Jan 5, 2006, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping > to keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent > interconnect will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the > budget reasonable because i'm also tempted to try and find a power > amp to bi amp my speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to > reconsider and perhaps forgoe the amp. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Thu Jan 5 21:13:40 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:13:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pamela Brown In-Reply-To: <43BCADDD.6080200@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hello Kermit, Gra' Fully agree on the Leo Kottke, Dreams and all that stuff and My Feet Are Smiling occupy two valued spaces in the LP rack! (Plus a Cd version of My Father's Face). Regards from someone on their second attempt at "domestic bliss". Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 05 January 2006 05:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pamela Brown Hi Gra' Oh wow ... Leo Kottke! My favorite album all through high school and college was “Dreams And All That Stuff”, which had the tracks Mona Ray, When Shrimps Learn to Whistle, Twilight Property, Bill Cheatham, Vertical Trees, Constant Traveler, Why Ask Why?, Taking a Sandwich to A Feast, Hole in the Day and Mona Roy (my favorite track). Actually, it was the ONLY Kottke album I had, but it was still my favorite. I wore out three copies of the LP. Still have at least one copy, maybe two. And I have no idea how many cassette copies (made on the Nak 600-II) I wore out. I kept intending to try his other albums but somehow never got the chance. I often used cassettes of the album (played back via the Nak 550) to help set up SR systems. You have to see how the sound coverage and overall frequency balance is in the venue, right? Anyway, it was a good excuse to enjoy my music on a really big audio system. Following your mess[age] I looked up the lyrics to "Pamela Brown." I haven't laughed this hard in years! Hey, what can I say, I'm not the "domestic bliss" type of guy but I admire those who are. Too many ideas to try out. Too much music to listen to. Probably a good thing I never married. I'd pity the poor girl. Nelson wrote: > The story reminds me of that song "Pamela Brown" by Leo Kottke... -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 5 21:34:14 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:34:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <43BD54B2.1060804@cox.net> Message-ID: You're absolutely right, don't know what I was thinking of... and I do set mine to the correct position for recording and playback, sorry. Doane -----Original Message----- From: Tim Barrett [mailto:timbarrett at cox.net] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:18 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs No, that's wrong. Equilization affects both record and playback. To test this, pop a tape in your machine and begin recording. While recording, flip the EQ switch back and forth a few times from 70 to 120. Then play back the recorded section but leave the EQ switch in one position - you'll hear the sound quality change at the spots where you were flipping the switch while recording. In the ZX-7 service manual (page 60) are two graphs, one is the Playback EQ amp frequency response, the other is the Record EQ amp current frequency response. The graphs show deviations of 3 to 4 dB between 70uS and 120uS settings which begin at about 800Hz continue up to slightly over 20kHz. Tim Doane Hoag wrote: Equilization does only effect playback, but during recording, if your equilization is set wrong I guess it would change the sound if you have a tape monitor switch and are trying to A/B. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Walton Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:41 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Thanks Jon, Did the recording sound okay once you switched the EQ back to 120/us ? since that is also where it was set when you recorded? Yes, my hearing is not quite as good, but I noticed the same thing when I first got the deck when I was much younger in '87. One night soon I will try a new recording with the EQ switch set for chrome as well. There might be something in the auto-cal. that also determines which EQ is set. I must say that I always thought the EQ setting affected only playback and not what got recorded on the tape. Is there a modification by ESL or someone whereby one can vary the bias manually on the CR-7 while recording? And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for the CR-7 ? Ron W. Ron, I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead of the 70 eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape recording from vinyl that I did not like the sound as well. On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in the midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in the upper bass area. But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to increase the bias and level by 1.5. You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback on what works and does not work for me. YMMV. Jon On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. Comments?????? Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi Jon, Jon Ochi wrote: > Dr. Dub, > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest frequency response. > The other > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > improved. Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear clearly at lower playback levels. So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. That's my theory, anyway. > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > theories very well. > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > tweak can change the sound like it does. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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During my apprenticeship I worked part-time making advertsing and PSA tapes for AM broadcasts, and my mentor was a broadcast engineer at a local daytimer, as well as being an avid Ham radio guy. Even did the slow-scan tv, which was pretty interesting. I showed him my transmitter. He remarked it had the best AUDIO circuitry he'd ever seen in a transmitter but the RF sections were mediocre. He suggested I replace my awful Hartley local oscillator (which was made of scavenged parts -- I used the primary of an push-pull plate-to-voice coil transformer as one of the inductors) with a crystal oscillator and he loaned me a set of crystals for each available frequency. He also remarked that a 6L6 isn't really the best choice for an RF power amp, andsuggested I should have chosen a tube made for the purpose. Hey, it was a lark, and the whole transmitter was made of scrap parts. 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URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Thu Jan 5 22:20:46 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:20:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC75@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <0aba01c6123d$e4c182b0$6401a8c0@Rondo> RE: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colorsHow does one get to the pictures page on www.naks.com ??? I can't seem to find anything to click on that brings up pictures of the various models> Ron W. I think that this deck has been modified or the paint has faded, I've never seen any Nak 6xx series deck with this finish. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: Thursday, 5 January 2006 5:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors I'm looking at a Nak 670 in a two-tone finish: The font panel extrusions are black on a beautiful dark reddish-bronze background. This picture is a little too light but you can see what I mean. http://naumburgconcerts.org/media/Nak670-3.jpg Was this a common panel design for this machine? The only other 670Z's I've seen, and the one pictured at the Naks.con site are all black. http://www.naks.com/cgi-bin/modelspage.pl?series=660/670 Thanks, Marc Stager ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Thu Jan 5 22:44:24 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:44:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <200601051933.k05JWt05008949@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601051933.k05JWt05008949@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <5D8364C8-C996-4C70-97AE-838661D55B7B@mac.com> Darn, ESLified just doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely... Sorry, I did my math wrong figuring the age of ZX-7's. What can I say, I was an English major for a reason. The point remains, however, that they are old machines and buyers should keep that in mind. best, Fred On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:33 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Hi Fred, > > I just want you to know that I am not the only Nakamichi expert at > E.S. Labs. Most of the cassette decks are serviced by Erik, the > perfectionist! We work as a team! Therefore, "Galinized" won't fly. > > These days, I am just a troubleshooter when in need and that is not > too often. I'm buried in paperwork and on a mission to find > replacement parts. > > By the way, a ZX-7 can't be more than 25 years old. > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin From matyas at bluewin.ch Thu Jan 5 23:03:01 2006 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:03:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors Message-ID: <43BD9795.9010301@bluewin.ch> This dark reddish-bronze finnish is normal, but exagerated by JPEG compression & white balance/gamma curve + ambiant color tones in the room. pictures of my dusty & dead 680ZX : http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=680zxcolor8rv.jpg http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nak680zxclosecolor4fx.jpg I had seen an another 680ZX, it was also the same finnish. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 5 23:26:16 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:26:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060105010607.02b43f10@stager.com> References: <200601050102.k0512lqT005188@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20060105010607.02b43f10@stager.com> Message-ID: <43BD9D08.8050501@xs4all.nl> Hi Marc, From my stack: 1) 680zx brownish like yours 2) 680zx brownish like yours (slightly darker then 1) 3) 670zx brownish like yours 4) 680zx very very dark brown 5) 660zx very very dark brown (like 4) 6) 682zx a bit darker then 3, could be called black The darker 680zx is the older one. Wouter Marc Stager wrote: > Was this a common panel design for this machine? From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 6 00:21:18 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:21:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ mod/ Jeff Galin on "Galinizing" In-Reply-To: <010b01c61239$c64786d0$8902a8c0@warbird> References: <200601051933.k05JX6F5008958@zxe.naks.com> <010b01c61239$c64786d0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <43BDA9EE.8090003@rcn.com> I built the eq mod into my CR-7 several years ago. As already stated, it is required in CR-7s preceding S/N 08677. Date of ECO was 22 May 1987. It states that Nakamichi does not recommend updating all decks, only those where customers complain about the dull recordings. There is also some mealy mouthed, self serving explanation, that Stephen Sank marked, in hand writing, "Load of crap" ... Installing the mod requires recalibration of the deck. At the time, I shipped it to Stephen, where it stayed for an eternity and a half... Once back, it sounded amazing! -- Ron Paul Dingle wrote: > Hi, Ron: > > You may have purchased a pre-85 unit. I don't know if the eq issue was a > "standard" or mandated repair with authorized Nakamichi service folks (Jeff > Galin could speak best to this-he just posted!), or had to be requested. > > Interestingly, in a copy of my CR7 service manual (from techman777 on EBay) > there are service update instructions for the gear mod, but no info on the > eq mod. > > I read a great deal about the differences between the older transport > mechanisms and the Sankyo ones, and had some initial concerns about the > reliability of the CR7, but it has since proven to be a real workhorse for > me once the cam motor issue was resolved. The other big plus for me is that > OEM belts aren't as critical in the CR7 (or ZX9) like they are in my LX3. > > Jeff, if you're out there, can you shed any light on any of this? > > Best, > > Paul > > > >>From: "Ron Walton" >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 EQ Mod >> >>>Thanks Paul, >> >>I will have to check my serial number. I bought the deck new in '87. > > Around 1992 I sent it in for service and they (Listen UP, Denver) called me > to say it needed the gear update. Would they have done the EQ update > automatically if it needed it? > >>Ron W. >> > > > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 6 00:22:03 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:22:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <891B5D3C-F3DE-4E3B-8EFC-9BEAF57305D7@mac.com> References: <200601051100.k05B04CM007218@zxe.naks.com> <891B5D3C-F3DE-4E3B-8EFC-9BEAF57305D7@mac.com> Message-ID: <43BDAA1B.2020701@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fred, Fred Lifton wrote: > Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts of > phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your amplifier > really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If so, shop for a > new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the interference claims either. Biamping is a neccessity for high powered sound re-enforcement systems. For home stereo it also makes limited sense, far more sense than does buying a trendy SET amp. Biamping, for one thing, can reduce the FM distortion of the amplfifer by reducing its effective bandwidth. Unless you listen to your music at discotheque levels, in all candor, biamping will gain you little or nothing for the money -- which is better spent having your Nak restored or buying other cool gear. -- Kermit Gray http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 6 00:35:44 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:35:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <050601c61147$2429fec0$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> <03ee01c610bb$43a31d90$6401a8c0@Rondo> <43BB486B.9020008@woods-and-waters.com> <050601c61147$2429fec0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43BDAD50.4040709@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Kermit, > > Even the chrome tapes recorded on my CR-7 sound better when played back > on the CR-7 when the switch is set for 120/us. I don't think the deck > is miscalibrated. It is possible that I have left the EQ switch on > 120/us while recording with chrome tape. I was under the impression > that this was for playback EQ only, and besides, I have experimented > with the EQ switch while monitoring a recording in progress. The switch affects both record and reproduce. The standard is 70uS with Chrome tape during both record and reproduce. > Could it > be that the auto-calibrate function takes the EQ switch position into > account when it does it's thing? The bias switch is set for Type II > tape when I record. You'd have to ask a CR7 owner. I've wondered the same thing. > > I know it is not the speakers, as I have Infinity RSIIb with famous EMIT > tweeters. Wow. Yes, the speakers are not the trouble. I rememeber the EMIT as being a bit bright but very fast and detailed. Ever hear the Transar? It's one of my favorite speakers. > My emails showed up twice.... Yes, I wanted to respond yesterday to two > different postings. I click on reply, compose message, send, and then > realize it only goes to the person who sent the email. So I re-send by > clicking on "Reply All". What is the correct way to reply to this > list? "Reply all" is recommended UNLESS you want the reply to be private to the sender only. > Since reading yesterday about an "EQ" modification, I immediately found > two different CR-7's on ebay which each claim to have the upgrade. What > exactly is this EQ mod? Would it cure my perceived problem? What was > the modification supposed to take care of? It updates the recorder from the older IEC1 EQ curve to the current IEC2 EQ curve. You should not change your deck if you have recorded many tapes with it because it will change the sound of the tapes adversely. I prefer the sound of IEC1 over IEC2. The upgrade, which changes the deck to IEC2 EQ is recommended: if you play only pre-recorded tapes, or tapes made with decks other than your Nak, OR if you trade tapes with other persons who do not have Nak decks. Send the deck to ESL for the upgrade if youre in the USA. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From matt_ryde at lineone.net Fri Jan 6 00:33:44 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:33:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC723E.30804@cox.net> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> <43BC2C9D.2000408@bellsouth.net> <43BC631D.5080506@lineone.net> <43BC723E.30804@cox.net> Message-ID: <43BDACD8.1050107@lineone.net> Thanks for the mozilla tip, actioned and working. All the responses are much appreciated although I'm beginning to think it'd better start collecting naks machines. I guess it's like a lot of things everyone has their own favourite. When I was testing speakers with my kit my taste differed somewhat from what various people thought I should combine. In reality I probably won't be doing too much recording, I'd just like to hear some of my old music in a new and better way, although that's not always a good thing, but it's a great feeling to get re acquainted with old friends after some years. I need to start looking around to see what's available then I guess I can start to make a choice. All the posts have been really helpful and I will cogitate all the various views, thanks ever so much. Matt Tim Barrett wrote: > Matt - > > I'm a Thunderbird user too. To include the original text in your > reply, click on 'Tools', then 'Account Settings', and then under your > account click on 'Composition and Addressing'. Put a check mark in > the "Automatically quote the original message when replying" box. > Under that, you can choose to put your reply above or below the > quote. As you can see, mine is set to be above the original quote. > > Tim > > As far as your Nak needs are concerned, I recommend you stick with a 3 > head deck, and the most cost-effective 3 head machine is probably the > LX-5. It seems undervalued for some reason but is a wonderful machine > - and stylish, too. Above that, try for one of the ZX series. With > them, you gain auto azimuth alignment and more flexible recording > control. > > Matt wrote: > >> Hi, this is my first attempt at posting and replying and I'm not too >> sure of the proper way to respond so if i get this wrong forgive me. >> I'm using mozilla thunderbird and it doesn't seem to include the >> message i'm replying to. >> >> Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping >> to keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent >> interconnect will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the >> budget reasonable because i'm also tempted to try and find a power >> amp to bi amp my speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to >> reconsider and perhaps forgoe the amp. >> >> Thanks for responding so quickly. >> >> Matt >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 6 00:40:54 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:40:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <0a0801c61238$ad60f940$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> <43BC582E.8070300@woods-and-waters.com> <0a0801c61238$ad60f940$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43BDAE86.90807@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I > do for a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How > tall was it? Aerial #1 was made from a telescoping light stand that could be extended up to 15 feet. It had a variable coupler box that provided optimum SWR. Aerial #2 was very cool: an antenna tuner with about 100-feet of 75-ohm coax and a pair of clips; it could be connected to any barbed-wire fence or metal post or tower and turn it into an efficient antenna. One cliphad a copper stake that connected to the cable shield; the stake would be driven into the ground. > I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? No, but I sometimes eat ham while I operate audio gear. Does that count? Oh well.... > Ron Walton wrote: > > Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham > > Radio Operator I suppose. > > No, but my friend Alan, who designed my antenna, is. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From flifton at mac.com Fri Jan 6 00:31:32 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:31:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-amping In-Reply-To: <200510261000.j9QA04kJ007144@zxe.naks.com> References: <200510261000.j9QA04kJ007144@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <036C2F7A-2D57-45AA-BFB0-E54BC4F368A0@mac.com> It occurs to me that my previous post was not specific enough on the subject of bi-amping. I was speaking of passive bi-amping (hooking up two amps to a two-lugged speaker and using its internal passive crossover). True bi- (or multi-) amping has many useful professional applications, but it is a complex and expensive endeavor beyond the scope (and need, IMHO) of your typical home hi-fi. Just wanted to be clear before the flames started licking at my in-box. cheers, Fred From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 6 01:10:43 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:10:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-amping In-Reply-To: <036C2F7A-2D57-45AA-BFB0-E54BC4F368A0@mac.com> References: <200510261000.j9QA04kJ007144@zxe.naks.com> <036C2F7A-2D57-45AA-BFB0-E54BC4F368A0@mac.com> Message-ID: <43BDB583.2090507@rcn.com> Fred, False biamping (also called 'passive bi-amping') has no advantage whatsoever (this means, zero, zilch, nada). The only accomplishment is trowing away the cost of an amplifier. As to 'true' bi-amping, it does have several advantages. However, it's advantageous only in low cost systems (therefore, used extensively in boom boxes) or extremely high end systems. In between, it's not much bang for the buck. -- Ron Fred Lifton wrote: > It occurs to me that my previous post was not specific enough on the > subject of bi-amping. I was speaking of passive bi-amping (hooking up > two amps to a two-lugged speaker and using its internal passive > crossover). True bi- (or multi-) amping has many useful professional > applications, but it is a complex and expensive endeavor beyond the > scope (and need, IMHO) of your typical home hi-fi. Just wanted to be > clear before the flames started licking at my in-box. > > cheers, > Fred From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 04:12:55 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:12:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <43BDAD50.4040709@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060106031255.63190.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, Yes the auto-calibrate does take the tape and eq setting into account. The CR7 has two modes, and auto and manual tape selector mode. In the auto mode, the deck detects what ever tape is loaded and sets to the matching tape type and corresponding eq setting. The manual mode allows you to set your own tape type and eq setting. Either way, all the info goes into the circuit. The only time I've found this useful is when tranferring tape spools into more rigid ceramic cassette shells. My dad, thought, likes to set to 120uS using Type IV tapes. Would that be a sign of old age? Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Kermit, > > Even the chrome tapes recorded on my CR-7 sound better when played back > on the CR-7 when the switch is set for 120/us. I don't think the deck > is miscalibrated. It is possible that I have left the EQ switch on > 120/us while recording with chrome tape. I was under the impression > that this was for playback EQ only, and besides, I have experimented > with the EQ switch while monitoring a recording in progress. The switch affects both record and reproduce. The standard is 70uS with Chrome tape during both record and reproduce. > Could it > be that the auto-calibrate function takes the EQ switch position into > account when it does it's thing? The bias switch is set for Type II > tape when I record. You'd have to ask a CR7 owner. I've wondered the same thing. > > I know it is not the speakers, as I have Infinity RSIIb with famous EMIT > tweeters. Wow. Yes, the speakers are not the trouble. I rememeber the EMIT as being a bit bright but very fast and detailed. Ever hear the Transar? It's one of my favorite speakers. > My emails showed up twice.... Yes, I wanted to respond yesterday to two > different postings. I click on reply, compose message, send, and then > realize it only goes to the person who sent the email. So I re-send by > clicking on "Reply All". What is the correct way to reply to this > list? "Reply all" is recommended UNLESS you want the reply to be private to the sender only. > Since reading yesterday about an "EQ" modification, I immediately found > two different CR-7's on ebay which each claim to have the upgrade. What > exactly is this EQ mod? Would it cure my perceived problem? What was > the modification supposed to take care of? It updates the recorder from the older IEC1 EQ curve to the current IEC2 EQ curve. You should not change your deck if you have recorded many tapes with it because it will change the sound of the tapes adversely. I prefer the sound of IEC1 over IEC2. The upgrade, which changes the deck to IEC2 EQ is recommended: if you play only pre-recorded tapes, or tapes made with decks other than your Nak, OR if you trade tapes with other persons who do not have Nak decks. Send the deck to ESL for the upgrade if youre in the USA. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 04:33:14 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:33:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060106033314.94360.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gentlemen, Just my personal opinion. Cassette decks are not the last word in robustness. After much painful lessons, I've learnt to turn on my decks at least once a fortnight. On the contrary, my Teac X1000R (1982) has been dormant for over 6 months. Snapping right back on, it just needed a demag and clean on the heads, and away it goes! I just feel that cassette decks are a bit more involved when it comes to maintainence and keeping it going. Initially, I was just plain frustrated at the amount of work cassette decks needed to get them going. But once you have it fixed up and in regular use, it shouldn't give much trouble. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: Hi, Fred: Actually, the ZX-7 (1981-1984) was only made 1 year earlier then the ZX-9 (1982-1985). The ZX-7 I have now was made in `83, so would be 23 years old, not 30 something.. I'm not quibbling about this, it's just that everyone on this board has been talking about much older Naks as well that are their favorites, like the 1000 series (pre `84), the 680 series (pre `82), etc. Even a CR4 is going to be over 16 years old (1988-90). I think the main thing is going to be the condition it's in and whether parts are available. It seems like almost anything you buy on Ebay is going to need some work even though everyone of them states they "have had very little use," (Like some one is going to fork out the money for a new Nakamichi and then not use it?) ;~) The CR series is really nice, also, even the DR series, which are even newer then the CRs would be a great deal for the money.. the DR10 was made from 1999 on and has bias control, three heads, tape monitor, etc DR2 was the same and just a bit older. I've seen 3 head DRs sell on Ebay for $100-$200 There's a DR2 right now that's at $102, but the reserve hasn't been meet http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5848023820 Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years old. Just something to think about... Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. My $.02. Fred On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: "Doane Hoag" Date: January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you will probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two speed cue forward and backward. Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, which helps a lot in recording. 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URL: From matt_ryde at lineone.net Fri Jan 6 00:42:52 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:42:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BDAEFC.30109@lineone.net> Thanks, the LX-5 seems to be a popular choice, i probably won't be doing much recording in reality, it's playback quality i'm looking for. Matt Doane Hoag wrote: >I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be >doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you will >probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have >tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >speed cue forward and backward. > >Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording >control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, >which helps a lot in recording. > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Matt >Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:05 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > >Hi everyone. >I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim >dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a >cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy >taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an >arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl >relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of >having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about >them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt >around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at >the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i >will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a >balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are >cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few >others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the >general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any >advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully >welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or >just guidance toward old topics i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. >Matt >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From matt_ryde at lineone.net Fri Jan 6 00:45:28 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:45:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <003e01c61170$652d6140$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <003e01c61170$652d6140$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <43BDAF98.7020800@lineone.net> Thanks, it's great to have a pointer for servicing. Matt Shaun Montgomery wrote: >Matt, > >If you live in the UK or Europe then the BX300E will not disappoint you. >They go at reasonable prices and are strill able to be serviced at B & W in >the South of England. I have a USA model with a step-down transformer, as >well as a BX-2 which is even cheaper to buy. I am enjoying both of them >immensely and they have brought a new lease of life to my cassettes >recorded, like yours, in the 70's and 80's. > >Shaun > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Matt >Sent: 04 January 2006 20:05 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > >Hi everyone. >I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim >dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a >cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy >taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an >arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl >relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of >having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about >them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt >around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at >the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i >will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a >balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are >cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few >others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the >general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any >advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully >welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or >just guidance toward old topics i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. >Matt >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From matt_ryde at lineone.net Fri Jan 6 00:51:49 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:51:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC5A18.6090609@woods-and-waters.com> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> <43BC5A18.6090609@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43BDB115.3070009@lineone.net> Thanks for the compliment i'm really plesaed with the sound, as for the rega, itonly has it's standard fittings out of the box, at the time it was a case of budget, always seems to be unfortunately. The lX-5 seems a popular choice, i guess it'll be a case of seeing what comes available. Several machines sound like good options. Matt Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Matt, > > Matt wrote: > >> Hi everyone. >> I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the >> dim dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off >> adding a cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and >> replacing my dodgy taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system >> currently consists of an arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 >> amp into KEF q35's. > > > Nice rig! Very nice. > >> My vinyl relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. > > > Which boxcar do you have on it? The Elys, I assume? > > > Currently on e-bay uk there are > >> cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few >> others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind >> the general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other >> makes. Any advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be >> gratefully welcomed. > > > I'm fond of the older models myself, BUT they're often difficult to > have repaired if they break down. I'd say, go for one of the CR or LX > series Nakamichis. > > If your budget allows, I'd strongly recommend you try to find the > Arcam cassette deck and have a matched setup! > > Other recorders worth considering that are good matches to your rig > are the highest-end Luxman, Aiwa, or Tascam models. Of course, you can > never go wrong with a Revox cassette deck. > From matt_ryde at lineone.net Fri Jan 6 00:53:56 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:53:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BDB194.4060402@lineone.net> So many choices, they all sound so good. The hunt is on! Matt Doane Hoag wrote: > Hi, Fred: > Actually, the ZX-7 (1981-1984) was only made 1 year earlier then the > ZX-9 (1982-1985). The ZX-7 I have now was made in `83, so would be 23 > years old, not 30 something.. > > I'm not quibbling about this, it's just that everyone on this board > has been talking about much older Naks as well that are their > favorites, like the 1000 series (pre `84), the 680 series (pre `82), > etc. Even a CR4 is going to be over 16 years old (1988-90). > > I think the main thing is going to be the condition it's in and > whether parts are available. It seems like almost anything you buy on > Ebay is going to need some work even though everyone of them states > they "have had very little use," (Like some one is going to fork out > the money for a new Nakamichi and then not use it?) ;~) > > The CR series is really nice, also, even the DR series, which are even > newer then the CRs would be a great deal for the money.. the DR10 was > made from 1999 on and has bias control, three heads, tape monitor, etc > DR2 was the same and just a bit older. I've seen 3 head DRs sell on > Ebay for $100-$200 There's a DR2 right now that's at $102, but the > reserve hasn't been meet > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5848023820 > > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Fred Lifton > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:15 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds > wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another > important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to > be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years > old. Just something to think about... > > Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some > basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 > that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor > issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. > > My $.02. > > Fred > > On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> *From: *"Doane Hoag" > >> >> *Date: *January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST >> >> *To: *>, "Talk >> about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >> >> *Subject: **RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete >> decks* >> >> *Reply-To: *rob at rhoag.com , Talk about >> Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> >> >> >> >> I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going >> to be >> >> doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >> >> with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but >> you will >> >> probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. >> Both have >> >> tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >> >> speed cue forward and backward. >> >> >> Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much >> recording >> >> control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias >> adjustment, >> >> which helps a lot in recording. >> >> >> Doane >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ady at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 01:15:27 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:15:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680 pinch roller Message-ID: <08FEA611-80ED-46FE-BBD3-8F3F076B8A0A@spamcop.net> hi.. just been cleaning the heads of my 680 and noticed that the right hand (looking from the front) pinch roller doesn't move and engage with the capstan roller when in play... I've made several recordings recently and they sound fine though! I have an issue with the mode control belt.. it takes a little time for the transport to engage when you press play.... I've ordered the belt from ESL... is the pinch roller related to this? thanks adrian From Ws407c at aol.com Fri Jan 6 05:08:30 2006 From: Ws407c at aol.com (Ws407c at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:08:30 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 22 (Nakamichi double capstan tape stretching) Message-ID: Just wondering if there is or has been a tape stretching issue with the Nakamichi double capstan decks ? I have not noticed any problems with my XZ-9's and have run a tape over and over through the machine and no problems are noted. Before I got my first Nak , I did not like cassettes because of the jamming , creasing , eating etc. After acquiring a ZX-9 , I have decided to kick my CD player to the side and am quite happy with the performance thus far. I am looking to buy a beat up Dragon to fiddle around with. I am looking for a beat up basket case for short money if any are available. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at stager.com Fri Jan 6 02:24:03 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:24:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Passive Xovers vs. Electronic Xovers In-Reply-To: <200601052214.k05ME9ge009852@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601052214.k05ME9ge009852@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060105185501.02c05bf0@stager.com> Fred, To continue your observation that a guitar doesn't split its output between the three lower and three upper strings - that's because its range of notes is comparatively narrow. A guitar amp rolls off above 5kHz. A stereo speaker needs to go at least out to 15kHz to reproduce percussion and overtones from many other instruments. For the low end, a bass guitar is more the equivalent of a bass speaker, and its range doesn't reach the highs of a standard six-string. True, all the sounds of a violin come out of the same holes but again, it's a bandwidth-limited instrument. A bass fiddle is the bass equivalent. The same box does not produce the entire range of notes. When they play together, they are separate entities, each playing in the range for which it was designed. The only exceptions that come to mind are the piano and electronic instruments, and the only way to properly reproduce their entire frequency range is with multi-driver speakers either crossed over passively or actively. Either way, you need a crossover network. Any decent speaker system, except for the rare Lowther full-range designs, will have a woofer and tweeter and, more often than not, a mid-range speaker. These all need a crossover network so the bass doesn't blow the mid/tweeter, and so the mids don't smear and beam coming through the woofer. Passive crossovers are inefficient and produce far greater phase anomalies and crossover distortion than electronic crossovers. Passives are inefficient and waste amplifier power, creating heat in the high-pass section as they soak up LF energy in order to protect the smaller drivers. Bi-amping is a far better sounding solution, offering better control and the choice of the optimal amplifier for each portion of the spectrum. There are no "timing issues". The lows and highs arrive at each amplifier at the same instant - far more phase and time coherent than even the best passive network. I have bi-amped for years, driving custom Lambda bass cabinets with a 500 watt RMS Perreaux amplifier, and a a pair of McIntosh MC-40 tube mono amps driving Coastal Acoustics SD1000 dome mids passively crossed over to Aurasound ribbon tweeters. With my Audioarts electronic crossover, I have complete control over the slope, frequency and amplitude to every section of every amplifier. The bass can rattle the windows and the mids and highs sing like angels coming through the Macs, which never get pushed very hard since they only work above 300Hz. The passive networks between the mids and ribbons work at a much lower level of stress than a bass-mid crossover. They are simple 6 dB/octave design using Sidereal caps bypassed with Teflon caps. The speaker systems are physically time-aligned. My large pro systems are tri-amped, as are most large scale commercial systems. Once you bi-amp, you'll never go back. ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- At 05:14 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: >Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts >of phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your >amplifier really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If >so, shop for a new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the >interference claims either. Guitarists don't use one amp for the >three high strings and one for the three bass strings and, >electrically, these are much smaller signals and so presumably more >prone to interference and interaction due to inductance. Same thing >applies to pure acoustics: all the tones come out of the same sound >hole on a violin, right? No, for me bi-amping makes about as much >sense as any other form of segregation. > >That's my $.02. Take it or leave it. >cheers, >Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ti Kan's earlier description of the purpose of the mod. is essentially correct. It was not intended as an upgrade to the IEC2 specification, but rather a response to some tape manufacturer's response curves on certain tapes that were boosted in the high range to give brighter sound in lesser decks. These tapes, like the TDK SA-X would not auto-calibrate correctly on the CR-7 when using Dolby C. As Ron already mentioned, Nakamichi did not recommend that the mod be done on all CR-7s.....only when requested by customers due to their particular tape preferences. It was the equivalent of a silent recall at the time. I am aware that Steven Sank is not a true believer in this explanation (thanks Ron for saving me from quoting Steven's hand written note), but here is a partial quote from the bulletin: "Some cassette tapes on the market have frequency response raised in the high-frequency range (above 15kHz) under the name of improvement.........These tapes, although conforming to the IEC standard, have characteristics far from those of the reference tapes used by Nakamichi. When such a cassette tape is loaded in the CR-7 and, after auto calibration, music is recorded with Dolby NR set to C-type, the played back music has the auditory effect of "decreased frequency response in the high frequency range". The modification is, according to Nakamichi, to correct this problem. My CR-7 was modded by ESL a few years ago and performs wonderfully. I'm not sure if they implemented the exact changes outlined in the bulletin, or if they do a little custom design work of their own, but it works great. I do all of my recording on my CR-7, and play back on my Dragon, CR-5, CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX, and RX-505 with very nice results using a mixture of tapes including the SA-X.. I know Ti Kan did the mod himself on his CR-7 and was very happy with the results. Paul wrote: >Hi, Ron: >The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N >A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 > standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. >The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production after S/N >A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. >I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine >immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. >However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to >be in my future..... >Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm buried in paperwork and on a mission to find > replacement parts. > > By the way, a ZX-7 can't be more than 25 years old. > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 15:27:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:27:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BDB194.4060402@lineone.net> Message-ID: <20060106142747.16788.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane, While the newer series offers a peace of mind in terms of reliability, its down in terms of sound quality by several notches. I have a DR10 which I bought brand new in 2002. Yes its new, sounds nice and has features like bias tune and three heads. The 680ZX however, walks all over the DR10 and its pretty gold front panel! Awesome response and record/playback is fantastic! The 600 is another deck which will delight analogue lovers and old timers who focus more on the midrange and warmth of the human voice. Despite having heard much newer decks, I've yet to excited as much the way decks of the late 70s (like the original tri-tracer, ZXL series, 6XXZX series and 600) have. In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala Matt wrote: So many choices, they all sound so good. The hunt is on! Matt Doane Hoag wrote: > Hi, Fred: > Actually, the ZX-7 (1981-1984) was only made 1 year earlier then the > ZX-9 (1982-1985). The ZX-7 I have now was made in `83, so would be 23 > years old, not 30 something.. > > I'm not quibbling about this, it's just that everyone on this board > has been talking about much older Naks as well that are their > favorites, like the 1000 series (pre `84), the 680 series (pre `82), > etc. Even a CR4 is going to be over 16 years old (1988-90). > > I think the main thing is going to be the condition it's in and > whether parts are available. It seems like almost anything you buy on > Ebay is going to need some work even though everyone of them states > they "have had very little use," (Like some one is going to fork out > the money for a new Nakamichi and then not use it?) ;~) > > The CR series is really nice, also, even the DR series, which are even > newer then the CRs would be a great deal for the money.. the DR10 was > made from 1999 on and has bias control, three heads, tape monitor, etc > DR2 was the same and just a bit older. I've seen 3 head DRs sell on > Ebay for $100-$200 There's a DR2 right now that's at $102, but the > reserve hasn't been meet > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5848023820 > > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Fred Lifton > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:15 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds > wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another > important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to > be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years > old. Just something to think about... > > Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some > basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 > that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor > issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. > > My $.02. > > Fred > > On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> *From: *"Doane Hoag" > >> >> *Date: *January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST >> >> *To: *>, "Talk >> about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > >> >> *Subject: **RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete >> decks* >> >> *Reply-To: *rob at rhoag.com , Talk about >> Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> >> >> >> >> I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going >> to be >> >> doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >> >> with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but >> you will >> >> probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. >> Both have >> >> tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >> >> speed cue forward and backward. >> >> >> Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much >> recording >> >> control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias >> adjustment, >> >> which helps a lot in recording. >> >> >> Doane >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Fri Jan 6 16:05:53 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:05:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks Pictures References: <006701c61277$47b5e8f0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <0c7001c612d2$b0711170$6401a8c0@Rondo> Thank you Robert and Marc. That works! Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: rjkent at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks Pictures Ron, If you haven't found it yet, just go to the Naks.com site, click on Naks, then click on a red nak series designation in the left column that you want to see. It will bring up all the decks in that series. Robert Kent Ron wrote: >RE: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colorsHow does one get to the pictures page on www.naks.com ??? I >can't seem to find anything to click on that brings up pictures of the various models> >Ron W. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 16:33:32 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:33:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <006001c61277$20db29c0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <20060106153332.2630.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had a CR7 which went to Graham (in UK after this Rec equalization MOD ) which was pre Mod Deck. When I received it without mod - it sounded dull on the HF on almost all tapes but was very quite in the S/N section. Only after doing the Mod , I found that the CR 7 records to the original HF response ( monitoring Source to Tape). As Stephen Sank said , Nakamichi had infact missed correcting it from te beginning but blamed tape formulation more than their own short comings. Infact the CR 7 board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for what reason I do not understand) So this Record equalization mod is a must for any CR 7 that does not have it. Robert' CR 7 infact has the mod installed ( without which it would not sound that well). We used his CR7A for the San francisco Nak marathon recording and no doubt the best for that occasion. People complain about CR7 A of sounding thin infact should listen to Stephen Sank touched machine - generally CR 7A has the most transparent recording provided it is correctly aligned. Again I should add that the CR7 should be aligned before judging it. Large number of decks without alignment can be disappointing in Nak models. Very few can beat the simple calibration and quality of record / play performance of CR7. I always wished a Dragon had the CR7 electronics and calibration process. Kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Ron, Paul, Ron, The Nakamichi Service Information bulletin for the EQ Modification is No. 00D-M-0298 from May of 1987. Ti Kan’s earlier description of the purpose of the mod. is essentially correct. It was not intended as an upgrade to the IEC2 specification, but rather a response to some tape manufacturer’s response curves on certain tapes that were boosted in the high range to give brighter sound in lesser decks. These tapes, like the TDK SA-X would not auto-calibrate correctly on the CR-7 when using Dolby C. As Ron already mentioned, Nakamichi did not recommend that the mod be done on all CR-7s.....only when requested by customers due to their particular tape preferences. It was the equivalent of a silent recall at the time. I am aware that Steven Sank is not a true believer in this explanation (thanks Ron for saving me from quoting Steven's hand written note), but here is a partial quote from the bulletin: “Some cassette tapes on the market have frequency response raised in the high-frequency range (above 15kHz) under the name of improvement.........These tapes, although conforming to the IEC standard, have characteristics far from those of the reference tapes used by Nakamichi. When such a cassette tape is loaded in the CR-7 and, after auto calibration, music is recorded with Dolby NR set to C-type, the played back music has the auditory effect of “decreased frequency response in the high frequency range”. The modification is, according to Nakamichi, to correct this problem. My CR-7 was modded by ESL a few years ago and performs wonderfully. I’m not sure if they implemented the exact changes outlined in the bulletin, or if they do a little custom design work of their own, but it works great. I do all of my recording on my CR-7, and play back on my Dragon, CR-5, CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX, and RX-505 with very nice results using a mixture of tapes including the SA-X.. I know Ti Kan did the mod himself on his CR-7 and was very happy with the results. Paul wrote: >Hi, Ron: >The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N >A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 > standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. >The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production after S/N >A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. >I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine >immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. >However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to >be in my future..... >Paul --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Fri Jan 6 16:51:36 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:51:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod References: <20060106153332.2630.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0d5e01c612d9$1327b390$6401a8c0@Rondo> I have been constantly amazed at the wealth of knowledge on this forum! Thank you all for the comments. I did make a new recording last evening on a chrome tape (TDK CD) and left the EQ setting where it should be. During tape/source comparisons, I could detect little to no loss in the HF. Evidently, over the years, I deluded myself into thinking it "sounded" better, by switching the EQ to normal while recording! I will want to do some more testing though. I have a 20 lot of Maxell XLII-S tapes coming in next week. The serial number on my CR-7A is an early one, indicating the need for the EQ mod. Whether or not it was done by my dealer, Listen Up in Denver is another story. I could not find the receipt from when the gear upgrade was done in about '91 or '92. I think that the next time it needs service I will send it to Mr. Sank and have it fully "Sanktified"! Would somebody offer contact information for his business? best regards, Ron W. I had a CR7 which went to Graham (in UK after this Rec equalization MOD ) which was pre Mod Deck. When I received it without mod - it sounded dull on the HF on almost all tapes but was very quite in the S/N section. Only after doing the Mod , I found that the CR 7 records to the original HF response ( monitoring Source to Tape). As Stephen Sank said , Nakamichi had infact missed correcting it from te beginning but blamed tape formulation more than their own short comings. Infact the CR 7 board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for what reason I do not understand) So this Record equalization mod is a must for any CR 7 that does not have it. Robert' CR 7 infact has the mod installed ( without which it would not sound that well). We used his CR7A for the San francisco Nak marathon recording and no doubt the best for that occasion. People complain about CR7 A of sounding thin infact should listen to Stephen Sank touched machine - generally CR 7A has the most transparent recording provided it is correctly aligned. Again I should add that the CR7 should be aligned before judging it. Large number of decks without alignment can be disappointing in Nak models. Very few can beat the simple calibration and quality of record / play performance of CR7. I always wished a Dragon had the CR7 electronics and calibration process. Kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Ron, Paul, Ron, The Nakamichi Service Information bulletin for the EQ Modification is No. 00D-M-0298 from May of 1987. Ti Kan's earlier description of the purpose of the mod. is essentially correct. It was not intended as an upgrade to the IEC2 specification, but rather a response to some tape manufacturer's response curves on certain tapes that were boosted in the high range to give brighter sound in lesser decks. These tapes, like the TDK SA-X would not auto-calibrate correctly on the CR-7 when using Dolby C. As Ron already mentioned, Nakamichi did not recommend that the mod be done on all CR-7s.....only when requested by customers due to their particular tape preferences. It was the equivalent of a silent recall at the time. I am aware that Steven Sank is not a true believer in this explanation (thanks Ron for saving me from quoting Steven's hand written note), but here is a partial quote from the bulletin: "Some cassette tapes on the market have frequency response raised in the high-frequency range (above 15kHz) under the name of improvement.........These tapes, although con! forming to the IEC standard, have characteristics far from those of the reference tapes used by Nakamichi. When such a cassette tape is loaded in the CR-7 and, after auto calibration, music is recorded with Dolby NR set to C-type, the played back music has the auditory effect of "decreased frequency response in the high frequency range". The modification is, according to Nakamichi, to correct this problem. My CR-7 was modded by ESL a few years ago and performs wonderfully. I'm not sure if they implemented the exact changes outlined in the bulletin, or if they do a little custom design work of their own, but it works great. I do all of my recording on my CR-7, and play back on my Dragon, CR-5, CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX, and RX-505 with very nice results using a mixture of tapes including the SA-X.. I know Ti Kan did the mod himself on his CR-7 and was very happy with the results. Paul wrote: >Hi, Ron: >The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N >A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 > standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. >The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production aft! er S/N >A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. >I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine >immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. >However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to >be in my future..... >Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 6 17:36:24 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:36:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <20060106142747.16788.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007b01c612df$555cf440$76c887d9@oemcomputer> -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 January 2006 14:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi Doane, In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala [Graham Nelson] I would! <> I don't want another TD124 ... maybe I was unlucky but I don't fancy getting bitten twice. However, I am (for the time being) hanging on to my renovated/rewired SME3012/II, although I presently have nothing on which I can use it. (Sadly, 12" arms don't fit on Oracle Delphi TT's ... ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 6 17:36:26 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:36:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <20060106153332.2630.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008001c612df$5681ec40$76c887d9@oemcomputer> Kannan said: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 06 January 2006 15:34 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod I had a CR7 which went to Graham (in UK after this Rec equalization MOD ) which was pre Mod Deck. When I received it without mod - it sounded dull on the HF on almost all tapes but was very quite in the S/N section. Only after doing the Mod , I found that the CR 7 records to the original HF response ( monitoring Source to Tape). [Graham Nelson] And a very fine job you did on it, too. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 6 17:36:28 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:36:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <0d5e01c612d9$1327b390$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <008501c612df$57a86ae0$76c887d9@oemcomputer> Ron Just be prepared for a long wait to get your deck back from Stephen. This is not meant as a criticism of him, but he has a reputation for a very slow turnaround - months, not weeks. You may want to check out the turnaround times of ESL, Adam Liberman at Liberman Sound in El Cerrito, Kannan, anyone else I've forgotten in the USA (sorry guys!) or even B&W in the UK. (Using B&W may seem crazy but the cost of their parts is low and may compensate for the higher shipping costs in some instances.) It also depends on what you want - just a full service or (as ESL specialises) a full restoration? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Walton Sent: 06 January 2006 15:52 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod I have been constantly amazed at the wealth of knowledge on this forum! Thank you all for the comments. I did make a new recording last evening on a chrome tape (TDK CD) and left the EQ setting where it should be. During tape/source comparisons, I could detect little to no loss in the HF. Evidently, over the years, I deluded myself into thinking it "sounded" better, by switching the EQ to normal while recording! I will want to do some more testing though. I have a 20 lot of Maxell XLII-S tapes coming in next week. The serial number on my CR-7A is an early one, indicating the need for the EQ mod. Whether or not it was done by my dealer, Listen Up in Denver is another story. I could not find the receipt from when the gear upgrade was done in about '91 or '92. I think that the next time it needs service I will send it to Mr. Sank and have it fully "Sanktified"! Would somebody offer contact information for his business? best regards, Ron W. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Jan 6 17:55:22 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:55:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Passive Xovers vs. Electronic Xovers In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060105185501.02c05bf0@stager.com> Message-ID: Marc: Thanks for the very good explanation. Years ago I had a pair of large, floor standing a/d/s studio monitors that had biamp ability built in. When I took advantage of that with separate Carver amps and an active crossover the difference was really amazing... much deeper, clean, tight base and the mids and highs, which were already great, even seemed to be improved as well. I totally agree, that with a set of really good speakers it's well worth doing. I think a good analogy would be the difference between trying to drive a subwoofer with a passive crossover off the same amp that is handling your main speakers, even if the amp has more then enough power to handle that, as opposed to having a dedicated, self powered subwoofer, as long as it has really good crossover circuits... but again, an even better setup then that would be to have a passive subwoofer that is driven by a separate amp with active crossover controls while the signal is still in the preamp low-level stage. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Passive Xovers vs. Electronic Xovers Fred, To continue your observation that a guitar doesn't split its output between the three lower and three upper strings - that's because its range of notes is comparatively narrow. A guitar amp rolls off above 5kHz. A stereo speaker needs to go at least out to 15kHz to reproduce percussion and overtones from many other instruments. For the low end, a bass guitar is more the equivalent of a bass speaker, and its range doesn't reach the highs of a standard six-string. True, all the sounds of a violin come out of the same holes but again, it's a bandwidth-limited instrument. A bass fiddle is the bass equivalent. The same box does not produce the entire range of notes. When they play together, they are separate entities, each playing in the range for which it was designed. The only exceptions that come to mind are the piano and electronic instruments, and the only way to properly reproduce their entire frequency range is with multi-driver speakers either crossed over passively or actively. Either way, you need a crossover network. Any decent speaker system, except for the rare Lowther full-range designs, will have a woofer and tweeter and, more often than not, a mid-range speaker. These all need a crossover network so the bass doesn't blow the mid/tweeter, and so the mids don't smear and beam coming through the woofer. Passive crossovers are inefficient and produce far greater phase anomalies and crossover distortion than electronic crossovers. Passives are inefficient and waste amplifier power, creating heat in the high-pass section as they soak up LF energy in order to protect the smaller drivers. Bi-amping is a far better sounding solution, offering better control and the choice of the optimal amplifier for each portion of the spectrum. There are no "timing issues". The lows and highs arrive at each amplifier at the same instant - far more phase and time coherent than even the best passive network. I have bi-amped for years, driving custom Lambda bass cabinets with a 500 watt RMS Perreaux amplifier, and a a pair of McIntosh MC-40 tube mono amps driving Coastal Acoustics SD1000 dome mids passively crossed over to Aurasound ribbon tweeters. With my Audioarts electronic crossover, I have complete control over the slope, frequency and amplitude to every section of every amplifier. The bass can rattle the windows and the mids and highs sing like angels coming through the Macs, which never get pushed very hard since they only work above 300Hz. The passive networks between the mids and ribbons work at a much lower level of stress than a bass-mid crossover. They are simple 6 dB/octave design using Sidereal caps bypassed with Teflon caps. The speaker systems are physically time-aligned. My large pro systems are tri-amped, as are most large scale commercial systems. Once you bi-amp, you'll never go back. ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- At 05:14 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts of phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your amplifier really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If so, shop for a new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the interference claims either. Guitarists don't use one amp for the three high strings and one for the three bass strings and, electrically, these are much smaller signals and so presumably more prone to interference and interaction due to inductance. Same thing applies to pure acoustics: all the tones come out of the same sound hole on a violin, right? No, for me bi-amping makes about as much sense as any other form of segregation. That's my $.02. Take it or leave it. cheers, Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 22:51:22 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:51:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680 pinch roller In-Reply-To: <08FEA611-80ED-46FE-BBD3-8F3F076B8A0A@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20060106215122.61201.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No. The control belt is not related to your pinch roller problem. You have hardened grease at the pivot point of the pinch roller. When in play you should be able to force it up to engage the tape and capstan. This is what SHOULD normally happen. You will need to clean the grease out. Try a cleaning solvent or alcohol and a light oil afterwards. It could take a while to get it to move freely again. With the deck in play manually move it back and forth to work in the cleaning solvent. SJ --- Adrian Finn wrote: > hi.. > > just been cleaning the heads of my 680 and noticed that the right > hand (looking from the front) pinch roller doesn't move and engage > > with the capstan roller when in play... I've made several > recordings recently and they sound fine though! I have an issue > with the mode control belt.. it takes a little time for the > transport > to engage when you press play.... I've ordered the belt from ESL... > > is the pinch roller related to this? > > > thanks > > adrian > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From jeff at eslabs.com Sat Jan 7 01:03:26 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:03:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ mod/ Jeff Galin on "Galinizing" References: <200601051933.k05JX6F5008958@zxe.naks.com> <010b01c61239$c64786d0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <01ff01c6131d$f8b26ce0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Hi Paul, Ron & Nak Talkers , The EQ mods. are very misunderstood! Nakamichi developed these specifically to accommodate the SA"X"and the XLII"S" type tapes. When we tweak the EQ, many of these components become very different from the original or the published Nakamichi modification. We start by tweaking the playback EQ to the Nakamichi standard and then the record bias & EQ. Feel free to call and Erik will explain it in detail. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Dingle" To: Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ mod/ Jeff Galin on "Galinizing" Hi, Ron: You may have purchased a pre-85 unit. I don't know if the eq issue was a "standard" or mandated repair with authorized Nakamichi service folks (Jeff Galin could speak best to this-he just posted!), or had to be requested. Interestingly, in a copy of my CR7 service manual (from techman777 on EBay) there are service update instructions for the gear mod, but no info on the eq mod. I read a great deal about the differences between the older transport mechanisms and the Sankyo ones, and had some initial concerns about the reliability of the CR7, but it has since proven to be a real workhorse for me once the cam motor issue was resolved. The other big plus for me is that OEM belts aren't as critical in the CR7 (or ZX9) like they are in my LX3. Jeff, if you're out there, can you shed any light on any of this? Best, Paul > From: "Ron Walton" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 EQ Mod >> Thanks Paul, > > I will have to check my serial number. I bought the deck new in '87. Around 1992 I sent it in for service and they (Listen UP, Denver) called me to say it needed the gear update. Would they have done the EQ update automatically if it needed it? > > Ron W. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 01:09:28 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:09:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Azimuth and NAAC stuff In-Reply-To: <010301c61237$b4823050$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <20060107000928.59225.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Glad you find it useful. SJ --- Paul Dingle wrote: > Hi, Scott: > > Just a thank-you for the content on your web page--I've had it for > about > three years now, and found it both useful and enlightening. > > Best, > > Paul > >> From: Scott Johnson > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth and NAAC stuff > > > > > > You found my web page. > > > > If you spot any errors please let me know. > > > > Scott J. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: > 1/4/2006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 06:26:08 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:26:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <007b01c612df$555cf440$76c887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060107052608.83641.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Nelson, Bitten by the 124? I can't imagine it! My 124 was bought by my dad in 1986. It saw service mainly as a 78rpm source with a stock Thorens TP14 arm and then was retired as a 'elder' TT. Three years ago, I took it out, did a complete overhaul and changed the arm to the present 3010-Series II ( the 10in version). I initially had a granite plinth built but didn't like the cold sound. I then built my own plinth using mdf. I used to run a Micro Seiki MM cart, and a Grado Prestige Gold, and now I am using the Ikeda moving coil. Dad almost bought a Oracle back in the late 80s, but chose to stick to his trusty Thorens TD-125 (yes I still have her, though I sold my TD-126). I've got a Dual 1019 which I hope to work on some day. Bala Nelson wrote: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 January 2006 14:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi Doane, In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala [Graham Nelson] I would! <> I don't want another TD124 ... maybe I was unlucky but I don't fancy getting bitten twice. However, I am (for the time being) hanging on to my renovated/rewired SME3012/II, although I presently have nothing on which I can use it. (Sadly, 12" arms don't fit on Oracle Delphi TT's ... ) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 06:40:59 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:40:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680 pinch roller In-Reply-To: <20060106215122.61201.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060107054059.71282.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott is right. I have had this problem on one of my 680ZXs.Get the front panel off, remove the cassette compartment door and close the door frame. Use a cotton tip with alcohol to gently work out the hardened grease (usually yellow in colour). Apply some light oil and gently work on roller pivot using your fingers. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Scott Johnson wrote: No. The control belt is not related to your pinch roller problem. You have hardened grease at the pivot point of the pinch roller. When in play you should be able to force it up to engage the tape and capstan. This is what SHOULD normally happen. You will need to clean the grease out. Try a cleaning solvent or alcohol and a light oil afterwards. It could take a while to get it to move freely again. With the deck in play manually move it back and forth to work in the cleaning solvent. SJ --- Adrian Finn wrote: > hi.. > > just been cleaning the heads of my 680 and noticed that the right > hand (looking from the front) pinch roller doesn't move and engage > > with the capstan roller when in play... I've made several > recordings recently and they sound fine though! I have an issue > with the mode control belt.. it takes a little time for the > transport > to engage when you press play.... I've ordered the belt from ESL... > > is the pinch roller related to this? > > > thanks > > adrian > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Jan 6 18:15:26 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:15:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BDAEFC.30109@lineone.net> Message-ID: Hi Mat: You started out saying that you have a large(?) collection of your favorite vinyl using an excellent system with a Rega setup so I assumed that you need a cassette deck for recording as well as playing back your old tape collection. With the high quality equipment you have, and at the low prices you can now buy Naks, I think it would be worth your while to spend just a few hundred dollars more to get a 3 head deck that has really good record features as well as playback. Even if your vinyl disks are already on the tapes you say you have, if they weren't recorded using a Nak back in the 70's-80's when tapes were not as good quality, and the vinyls are still in excellent condition, you may just want to start re-recording your favorites on a really good Nak, with high quality chrome or metal tapes and you will be amazed at the improvement in the tape sound quality over what you originally recorded using a non-Nak deck and older tape formulations. It can also be a lot of fun! JMHO All the best, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Matt [mailto:matt_ryde at lineone.net] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Thanks, the LX-5 seems to be a popular choice, i probably won't be doing much recording in reality, it's playback quality i'm looking for. Matt Doane Hoag wrote: >I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be >doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you will >probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have >tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >speed cue forward and backward. > >Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording >control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, >which helps a lot in recording. > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Matt >Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:05 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > >Hi everyone. >I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim >dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a >cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy >taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an >arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl >relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of >having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about >them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt >around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at >the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i >will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a >balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are >cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few >others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the >general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any >advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully >welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or >just guidance toward old topics i can look over. 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Jan 6 18:25:28 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:25:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <20060106142747.16788.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Bala, I've never had a DR series deck, but just assumed they would walk over any other cassete deck in sound quality, but you may be right. I'll bet they still sound pretty darn good though, and especially for some one on a budget wanting a newer deck for a really good price... I have noticed they sell for less, but I agree, I would rather buy an older deck like my ZX7 and spend some money servicing it. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi Doane, While the newer series offers a peace of mind in terms of reliability, its down in terms of sound quality by several notches. I have a DR10 which I bought brand new in 2002. Yes its new, sounds nice and has features like bias tune and three heads. The 680ZX however, walks all over the DR10 and its pretty gold front panel! Awesome response and record/playback is fantastic! The 600 is another deck which will delight analogue lovers and old timers who focus more on the midrange and warmth of the human voice. Despite having heard much newer decks, I've yet to excited as much the way decks of the late 70s (like the original tri-tracer, ZXL series, 6XXZX series and 600) have. In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala Matt wrote: So many choices, they all sound so good. The hunt is on! Matt Doane Hoag wrote: > Hi, Fred: > Actually, the ZX-7 (1981-1984) was only made 1 year earlier then the > ZX-9 (1982-1985). The ZX-7 I have now was made in `83, so would be 23 > years old, not 30 something.. > > I'm not quibbling about this, it's just that everyone on this board > has been talking about much older Naks as well that are their > favorites, like the 1000 series (pre `84), the 680 series (pre `82), > etc. Even a CR4 is going to be over 16 years old (1988-90). > > I think the main thing is going to be the condition it's in and > whether parts are available. It seems like almost anything you buy on > Ebay is g! oing to need some work even though everyone of them states > they "have had very little use," (Like some one is going to fork out > the money for a new Nakamichi and then not use it?) ;~) > > The CR series is really nice, also, even the DR series, which are even > newer then the CRs would be a great deal for the money.. the DR10 was > made from 1999 on and has bias control, three heads, tape monitor, etc > DR2 was the same and just a bit older. I've seen 3 head DRs sell on > Ebay for $100-$200 There's a DR2 right now that's at $102, but the > reserve hasn't been meet > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5848023820 > > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Fred Lifton > *Sent:* We! dnesday, January 04, 2006 5:15 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds > wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another > important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to > be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years > old. Just something to think about... > > Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some > basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 > that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor > issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. > > My $.02. > > Fred > > On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> *Fr! om: *"Doane Hoag" > >> >> *Date: *January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST >> >> *To: *>, "Talk >> about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > >> >> *Subject: **RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete >> decks* >> >> *Reply-To: *rob at rhoag.com , Talk about >> Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> >> >> >> >> I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going >> to be >> >> doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >> >> with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but >> you will >> >> ! probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. >> Both have >> >> tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >> >> speed cue forward and backward. >> >> >> Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much >> recording >> >> control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias >> adjustment, >> >> which helps a lot in recording. >> >> >> Doane >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at stager.com Fri Jan 6 18:28:47 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:28:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sank In-Reply-To: <200601061606.k06G3ZtQ013487@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601061606.k06G3ZtQ013487@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060106122400.02c22910@stager.com> Stephen Sank, Talking Dog Transducer Co. Contact info at: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- >I think that the next time it needs service I will send it >to Mr. Sank and have it fully "Sanktified"! >Would somebody offer contact information for his business? >best regards, >Ron W. From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Fri Jan 6 18:57:39 2006 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:57:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate In-Reply-To: <200601042031.k04KUVbD004097@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I agree with your humble opinion! I bought my Klipschorns when I was single and working lots of overtime. I had heard Paul Klipsch had been in town (Cedar Rapids Iowa) just weeks before I bought them and have regretted missing him ever since. He's long gone now I suppose. You are so right about the Head East song. Ever tried the famous Telarc recording of the 1812 overture? I never get to crank them up anymore. No one in the family seems to enjoy my music. Somehow "the Simpsons" or "ER' always win out... Gary P.S. Who needs outdoor speakers? Just pour a few more watts to the K-horns! >> Klipsch Heresy's also. When I was 16, I spent a couple of weeks one summer with my grandparents in Texarkana Texas. One day my grandfather came home from work and told me that since I had such a bug for music he was going to take me to see the best speakers in the world being built. So he drove me up to Hope Arkansas to the Klipsch factory. I met Paul, walked the factory floor, etc. I was amazed at testing and production processes. When I first heard the K horns, they played Head East "Never been any Reason" followed by ZZ top LaGrange using a Thorens table and Mac tube amps. They cranked it up loud. I had goose bumps on goose bumps. I was stunned. From that day on I wanted a system like that. So when I graduated from High School my grandfather gave me the cash to buy a used set of Hereseys. I still have them. They are loaned out to my mother in law. As the years went by I moved up to the Cornwalls and finally the K horns. I listen to Sonus Faber now, but when I throw a big ! party out doors, the Heresys are always put into action. A good turntable( or Nak), a good tube amp and tube preamp, and a pair of Klipsch horn loaded speakers will make music that is competitive with anything made today. IMHO...<< From rob at rhoag.com Fri Jan 6 19:05:39 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:05:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <007b01c612df$555cf440$76c887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: That's interesting... back in about '83 I bought a Thorns TD-124(?) and when I got it set up and running I had horrible problems with feedback at high volume sound levels and even physical vibration problems when I would walk to heavily on the wood floor. I was very careful about leveling it and everything and I even tried putting it on a separate, isolated shelf, but I just had no luck, so after a week of fiddling with it I took it back to the dealer in Fort Worth, Texas and traded it for the new AR that had been redesigned from the classic, with a new arm that was very good quality, both had used a Shure V15II cartridge. Anyway, the AR was excellent and had no feedback problems at all and I did most of my cassette NAK recordings from it for several years. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:36 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 January 2006 14:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi Doane, In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala [Graham Nelson] I would! <> I don't want another TD124 ... maybe I was unlucky but I don't fancy getting bitten twice. However, I am (for the time being) hanging on to my renovated/rewired SME3012/II, although I presently have nothing on which I can use it. (Sadly, 12" arms don't fit on Oracle Delphi TT's ... ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Fri Jan 6 19:08:50 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:08:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bi-amping In-Reply-To: <200601060833.k068XmLd012212@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601060833.k068XmLd012212@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <580C6FC8-FD85-4E09-865E-2B9B4437BD41@mac.com> Hi Marc, I think you made my original point for me: true multi-amping is for pro set-ups or very, very expensive and complex home systems, so for a newbie with a modest system, money spent on passive bi-amping is a waste. I bet I'm not the only one on the list who envies you your system! cheers, Fred On Jan 6, 2006, at 12:33 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > I have bi-amped for years, driving custom Lambda bass > cabinets with a 500 watt RMS Perreaux amplifier, and a > a pair of McIntosh MC-40 tube mono amps driving Coastal > Acoustics SD1000 dome mids passively crossed over to > Aurasound ribbon tweeters. With my Audioarts electronic > crossover, I have complete control over the slope, frequency > and amplitude to every section of every amplifier. The bass > can rattle the windows and the mids and highs sing like > angels coming through the Macs, which never get pushed > very hard since they only work above 300Hz. > The passive networks between the mids and ribbons work > at a much lower level of stress than a bass-mid crossover. > They are simple 6 dB/octave design using Sidereal caps > bypassed with Teflon caps. The speaker systems are > physically time-aligned. > > My large pro systems are tri-amped, as are most large scale > commercial systems -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Fri Jan 6 19:13:34 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:13:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod References: <008501c612df$57a86ae0$76c887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <0e4501c612ec$e8226d70$6401a8c0@Rondo> Thanks for the info! Ron Just be prepared for a long wait to get your deck back from Stephen. This is not meant as a criticism of him, but he has a reputation for a very slow turnaround - months, not weeks. You may want to check out the turnaround times of ESL, Adam Liberman at Liberman Sound in El Cerrito, Kannan, anyone else I've forgotten in the USA (sorry guys!) or even B&W in the UK. (Using B&W may seem crazy but the cost of their parts is low and may compensate for the higher shipping costs in some instances.) It also depends on what you want - just a full service or (as ESL specialises) a full restoration? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Walton Sent: 06 January 2006 15:52 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod I have been constantly amazed at the wealth of knowledge on this forum! Thank you all for the comments. I did make a new recording last evening on a chrome tape (TDK CD) and left the EQ setting where it should be. During tape/source comparisons, I could detect little to no loss in the HF. Evidently, over the years, I deluded myself into thinking it "sounded" better, by switching the EQ to normal while recording! I will want to do some more testing though. I have a 20 lot of Maxell XLII-S tapes coming in next week. The serial number on my CR-7A is an early one, indicating the need for the EQ mod. Whether or not it was done by my dealer, Listen Up in Denver is another story. I could not find the receipt from when the gear upgrade was done in about '91 or '92. I think that the next time it needs service I will send it to Mr. Sank and have it fully "Sanktified"! Would somebody offer contact information for his business? best regards, Ron W. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 6 20:11:37 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:11:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-amping In-Reply-To: <036C2F7A-2D57-45AA-BFB0-E54BC4F368A0@mac.com> References: <200510261000.j9QA04kJ007144@zxe.naks.com> <036C2F7A-2D57-45AA-BFB0-E54BC4F368A0@mac.com> Message-ID: <43BEC0E9.6000906@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fred, You mean bi-wiring. Waste of money, I think. Double the wire gauge, you'll gain the same "benefit". Fred Lifton wrote: > It occurs to me that my previous post was not specific enough on the > subject of bi-amping. I was speaking of passive bi-amping (hooking up > two amps to a two-lugged speaker and using its internal passive > crossover). True bi- (or multi-) amping has many useful professional > applications, but it is a complex and expensive endeavor beyond the > scope (and need, IMHO) of your typical home hi-fi. Just wanted to be > clear before the flames started licking at my in-box. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 6 20:48:49 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:48:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <20060106103813.53715.qmail@web37210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060106103813.53715.qmail@web37210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43BEC9A1.8090903@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mike, Mike Douglas wrote: > Thanks for all the replies on maximizing tape performance. Any > recommendation for the best head cleaner? I'd like to get the best > possible one I can get for use on a CR-7E, in case it might subjectively > vary from deck to deck. -Mike I'd heartly recommend only American Recorder S-721H Head/pinch roller cleaner. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From msyoder at border.net Fri Jan 6 20:51:39 2006 From: msyoder at border.net (Yoder Michael) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:51:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony tape and DR-3 Message-ID: OK, my latest new year's resolution (besides composing at least 3 solo bass etudes this year) is to tape my favourite LPs for backup purposes as I listen to them. I started last night, and used Sony UX and UX-Pro cassettes. The UX were "assembled in Mexico of components made in Japan and USA", and the UX-Pro were "made in Mexico." I had bought a few of these last summer but had not yet used them in the Nakamichi DR-3, which is the machine set up in my living room hi-fi (with Rega P3, Rega Mira 3, Arcam CD73, Focal-JMLab Cobalt 806 speakers). The results were stunning! The imaging is perfect, the detail is perfect. Doing an A-B comparison, about the only tiny difference I may have heard is that the taped version might be slightly more controlled in the bass with the UX-Pro. I could tell no difference at all with the UX. OK, so today I went back to Liverpool, the store where I had bought those tapes, to see if they had more. They were out of the UX, but had the UX-Pro. They're 69 cents each for C-60 and 79 cents each for C-90. I bought a total of 35 Sony tapes. In addition, the store had one 3-pack remaining of Fuji Z-II 90's for $2.98, so I got that. I haven't used those yet . In fact, I've never heard of that tape, but have had great luck with other Fuji chrome tapes in the past, so I decided to try them. Did I get a good deal? Anyway, Liverpool is a strange store that sells all kinds of consumer electronics, many of which look discontinued, at amazingly cheap prices. Laredo is on the Texas-Mexico border, and downtown Laredo has tons of merchants who sell everything from shoes to jewelry to perfume to party supplies to cheap electronics, both wholesale and retail ("mayoreo-menudeo"), but mostly small-scale wholesaling to people who take the goods into Mexico and re-sell them. The owner, from Uruguay, tells me that he procures the Sony tapes and sells quite a few because in Latin America they still use cassettes. How ironic that tapes made in Mexico are brought into the US and resold to Mexican buyers who then take them back into Mexico! Anyway, what an interesting way to get me using my DR-3 much more! Happy new year to all. Michael Yoder http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net From t_lewis at pacbell.net Fri Jan 6 21:07:48 2006 From: t_lewis at pacbell.net (Tom Lewis) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:07:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Searching Archives Message-ID: <200601062008.k06K863H115474@pimout5-ext.prodigy.net> Can anyone inform me how to search the archives, please? I am looking for posts related to the 581 or 582. Tom Lewis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Fri Jan 6 22:16:46 2006 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:16:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-amping In-Reply-To: <036C2F7A-2D57-45AA-BFB0-E54BC4F368A0@mac.com> Message-ID: <200601062116.k06LGj9s014553@zxe.naks.com> I own and use everyday an old 80s amp set up - the Lynx Vega, with bi-amped power amps. This set up uses an amp for bass and an amp for treble, which allows for by-passing of the crossovers. I know that when I use in normal mode (when one of the amps needs servicing!), that I lose a whole bunch of bandwidth. Conclusion - well I know it works for me, especially when playing back my CR-7 (whew, back on track!). Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 05 January 2006 23:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Bi-amping It occurs to me that my previous post was not specific enough on the subject of bi-amping. I was speaking of passive bi-amping (hooking up two amps to a two-lugged speaker and using its internal passive crossover). True bi- (or multi-) amping has many useful professional applications, but it is a complex and expensive endeavor beyond the scope (and need, IMHO) of your typical home hi-fi. Just wanted to be clear before the flames started licking at my in-box. cheers, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Fri Jan 6 22:16:47 2006 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:16:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Message-ID: <200601062116.k06LGkEp014554@zxe.naks.com> Nice article in this month’s edition, with a 3 page article on owning and servicing old Naks, with a strong link and interview with Bowers&Wilkins. Also some pictures of a 600, restored and on the bench. £3.60 of our british pounds. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Jan 6 23:37:26 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:37:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record Decks and any NAK will make you grin for joy if you havent had one. Message-ID: Bala wrote: The 600 is another deck which will delight analogue lovers and old timers who focus more on the midrange and warmth of the human voice. Despite having heard much newer decks, I've yet to excited as much the way decks of the late 70s (like the original tri-tracer, ZXL series, 6XXZX series and 600) have. In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala Yum yum bala ....... I have a Linn LP 12 and associated Ittok arm and the Ortofon vms30 we spoke about a month back...... but Im about to receive my brothers Garrard 401 and SME3012/ii ....... sadly with his Shure M75ed still in it ........ he never uses it and hasnt for possible 15 years so i asked on Christmass day and he said sure come and get it. A lot easier to set up than the Linn ...... but ugh what a plinth its in and no hinged lid ........ however I'll probably just miss out on that as they are a sonic disaster and the 401 is such an icon of a design as well as being interesting .... Leo Kotke made it here too i met him when he played at Uni and we all had a couple of his album and John Fahey too. re Newbie wants a Nak .... as you know I just had the good fortune to turn a $10 ebay 481 into a deck that B&W feel is certainly good for 10 years and maybe much longer ..... barring belts all for the price of a service and guarentee. Its from 1981 for heaven sake ....... and puts my record deck to shame and thats some £2000 of stuff at my last reckoning and it sounds as good as the various cd players I have to use. I could I suppose have spent 200 on buying a newer deck maybe needing less work but a service on them would also cost 200 pounds on top ..... so my view is buy any deck you like ...... if it works good then alleleulia but if not just get it serviced and know you have a cassette deck that is likely to be as good as it ever could be afterwards AND will stun anyone who knows how to listen to quality and will IMHO do the grin thing for you, that Alex ( I think ) promised me it would. These decks are so good its a shame not to have had one for 20 years. Im still wondering what use to make of the bias control on my 481z is if anyone can help peace Ian From matt_ryde at lineone.net Sat Jan 7 00:27:14 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:27:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BEFCD2.30403@lineone.net> Must admit i hadn't thought of it like that it's a great point, thanks, i guess there's a lot more enjoyment to be had from this project than i ever imagined. Matt Doane Hoag wrote: >Hi Mat: > >You started out saying that you have a large(?) collection of your favorite >vinyl using an excellent system with a Rega setup so I assumed that you need >a cassette deck for recording as well as playing back your old tape >collection. With the high quality equipment you have, and at the low prices >you can now buy Naks, I think it would be worth your while to spend just a >few hundred dollars more to get a 3 head deck that has really good record >features as well as playback. Even if your vinyl disks are already on the >tapes you say you have, if they weren't recorded using a Nak back in the >70's-80's when tapes were not as good quality, and the vinyls are still in >excellent condition, you may just want to start re-recording your favorites >on a really good Nak, with high quality chrome or metal tapes and you will >be amazed at the improvement in the tape sound quality over what you >originally recorded using a non-Nak deck and older tape formulations. It can >also be a lot of fun! JMHO > >All the best, >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matt [mailto:matt_ryde at lineone.net] >Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM >To: rob at rhoag.com >Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > >Thanks, the LX-5 seems to be a popular choice, i probably won't be doing >much recording in reality, it's playback quality i'm looking for. > >Matt > >Doane Hoag wrote: > > > >>I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be >>doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >>with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you >> >> >will > > >>probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have >>tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >>speed cue forward and backward. >> >>Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording >>control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, >>which helps a lot in recording. >> >>Doane >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Matt >>Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:05 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks >> >> >>Hi everyone. >>I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim >>dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a >>cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy >>taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an >>arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl >>relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of >>having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about >>them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt >>around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at >>the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i >>will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a >>balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are >>cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few >>others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the >>general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any >>advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully >>welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or >>just guidance toward old topics i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. >>Matt >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> From matt_ryde at lineone.net Sat Jan 7 00:35:25 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:35:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <891B5D3C-F3DE-4E3B-8EFC-9BEAF57305D7@mac.com> References: <200601051100.k05B04CM007218@zxe.naks.com> <891B5D3C-F3DE-4E3B-8EFC-9BEAF57305D7@mac.com> Message-ID: <43BEFEBD.70901@lineone.net> Sorry if i'm going over old ground but as a complete aside i'm interested to know if any one has any experience/opinion on ancillaries such as power cords, silencers and mains blocks. I appreciate most of you are on the other side of the atlantic, in the uk a company, Russ Andrews, are producing a variety of items supposed to assist/improve sound quality. As my amp is permanently on i get frustrated when i hear an electrical component in the house 'fire up' and set the speakers crackling, normally the fridge or freezer cutting in. Matt Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi Matt, > IMHO, you can save a lot of money by not bothering with the fancy > interconnects or the bi-amping. Put the money into getting your "new" > Nak serviced. That will make a far greater difference sonically. > > I know the subject has been discussed exhaustively on this list and > that many of us feel that most interconnects are snake-oil and that > people who claim to hear a difference are psycho-acoustically > influenced by the large amount of money they just spent on two chunks > of wire wrapped in plastic. In my experience, $10-$20 buys you a nice > sturdy cable with good quality shielding, plenty of copper and a firm > connection. That's all you need. > > Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts > of phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your > amplifier really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If so, > shop for a new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the interference > claims either. Guitarists don't use one amp for the three high strings > and one for the three bass strings and, electrically, these are much > smaller signals and so presumably more prone to interference and > interaction due to inductance. Same thing applies to pure acoustics: > all the tones come out of the same sound hole on a violin, right? No, > for me bi-amping makes about as much sense as any other form of > segregation. > > That's my $.02. Take it or leave it. > cheers, > Fred > > On Jan 5, 2006, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping >> to keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent >> interconnect will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the >> budget reasonable because i'm also tempted to try and find a power >> amp to bi amp my speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to >> reconsider and perhaps forgoe the amp. >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rob at rhoag.com Sat Jan 7 03:29:32 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:29:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Azimuth and NAAC stuff In-Reply-To: <20060107000928.59225.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I want to add my thanks too, lots of good info and well done! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:09 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Azimuth and NAAC stuff Glad you find it useful. SJ --- Paul Dingle wrote: > Hi, Scott: > > Just a thank-you for the content on your web page--I've had it for > about > three years now, and found it both useful and enlightening. > > Best, > > Paul > >> From: Scott Johnson > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth and NAAC stuff > > > > > > You found my web page. > > > > If you spot any errors please let me know. > > > > Scott J. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: > 1/4/2006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 7 04:25:59 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:25:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ mod/ Jeff Galin on "Galinizing" In-Reply-To: <01ff01c6131d$f8b26ce0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> References: <200601051933.k05JX6F5008958@zxe.naks.com> <010b01c61239$c64786d0$8902a8c0@warbird> <01ff01c6131d$f8b26ce0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <43BF34C7.4060202@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Jeff, jeff at eslabs.com wrote: > The EQ mods. are very misunderstood! Nakamichi developed these >specifically to accommodate the SA"X"and the XLII"S" type tapes. When >we tweak the EQ, many of these components become very different from >the original or the published Nakamichi modification. We start by >tweaking the playback EQ to the Nakamichi standard and then the record >bias & EQ. Thanks for the clarification! That's interesting. It implies the SA-X and XL-IIS are markedly different from the older formulations. Would a 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700, or 1000 require a similar modification to use these cassettes? I ask because have the 500, 550, 600 and 600-II. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Jan 7 05:25:42 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:25:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] gjgkerrtx@hotmail.com Message-ID: -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Jan 7 05:42:00 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:42:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Heres the other RX-303 i won on Ebay last week Message-ID: heres the final "panel" in my Nak RX-303 "tryptic".This is the third one ,one of two, i won over the holidays on e-bay to add to the original Rx-303 Ive owned for a couple of years since i joined NAktalk. . I have a fetish for 303's!! I am thinking that these excellent RX two haead units can be used to full effect , same as three heads, with an excellent Signal router/monitor like my Furman SRm-80? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Jan 7 05:42:32 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:42:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Heres the other RX-303 i won on Ebay last week Message-ID: heres the final "panel" in my Nak RX-303 "tryptic".This is the third one ,one of two, i won over the holidays on e-bay to add to the original Rx-303 Ive owned for a couple of years since i joined NAktalk. . I have a fetish for 303's!! I am thinking that these excellent RX two haead units can be used to full effect , same as three heads, with an excellent Signal router/monitor like my Furman SRm-80? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Jan 7 05:51:21 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:51:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, heres the link on the RX-303 Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5847827941&sspagename=ADME:L:AAQ:US:1 This is aslo the second, my newest preciuos-gorgeous Nak Rx-303.With my new Furman Srm-80 as record monitor, I have a budget 505 at 1/3 the price!! -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gfumptibxszm at designomatic.com Sat Jan 7 06:05:51 2006 From: gfumptibxszm at designomatic.com (Porfirio Webber) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:05:51 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: wxy, You didnt answer In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:10:51 -0700." <20031002150239.GG32185@asuka.tech.sitadelle.com> Message-ID: "Ci-iallis Sof-tabs" is better than Pfizer V-iiaggrra and normal Ci-ialis because: - Guarantes 36 hours lasting - Safe to take, no side effectts at all - Boost and increase se-xual perfoormance - Haarder e-rectiiions and quick recharge - Proven and c-ertified by e-xperts and d-octors - only $1.98 per tabs - Special offeer! These prices - are valid u-ntil 30th of December ! Cllick hereee: http://callqnet.info From rossnkiely at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 06:37:54 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 00:37:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Message-ID: <6e1618b40601062137t262ba7ccpfa8df4b76094e954@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone!! Just found this site while looking at a Nak on e-bay. I have owned a Nak 600 since it came on the market! Over the years it has served me well. It has mostly been trouble free except twice over the years, with Both times the problem being with the Control push keys not engaging the Record Mode.Sometimes they would not even engage it in Play mode. Had it fixed both times by Nak Tech. but alas there are not too many around now in my area, and the same problem has arisen again! Just purchased a Used 600 from Ebay yesterday for$35.00. The owner said that it was working fine, then while in Play,just stopped. so he decided to sell it for parts. etc. Maybe between the two, I can get one or both working again. Also purchasing a Service Manual from E-bay for the 600. Will see what I can do! Sorry if I rambeld on too much. Will keep it shorter in the future. Any suggestions or ideas will be welcomed. Thanks Ross. -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 11:59:43 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 02:59:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Thorens In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060107105943.36249.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane and everyone else, Initially, the 124 did seem like a deck that would make lots of noise. However, there's more to it then meets the eye. Its derived from the famous EMT line of turntables (the 124 is the direct domestic breed of the EMT 930). EMTs were the workhorses of radio stations around the world. Also, the precision swiss crasftmanship speaks for itself. The key is to get everything precisely cleaned-up and properly tuned. Also, the bottom of the bearing well has a couple of shims that need replacement, oil change etc. I did all these myself but have not changed the rubber mounts as yet. Using my 'Made in my Kitchen' mdf plinth, the sound is very quiet. Its not just made heavy with lotsa metal (on the contrary, the original 930 is a three man effort!). Its cleverly designed to suspend the motor to isolate the vibrations. Its also the only tt in the world to combine belt and rim drive thus giving us the best of both worlds. This is precisely the stuff for audiotalk. How come its not moving? Bala Doane Hoag wrote: That's interesting... back in about '83 I bought a Thorns TD-124(?) and when I got it set up and running I had horrible problems with feedback at high volume sound levels and even physical vibration problems when I would walk to heavily on the wood floor. I was very careful about leveling it and everything and I even tried putting it on a separate, isolated shelf, but I just had no luck, so after a week of fiddling with it I took it back to the dealer in Fort Worth, Texas and traded it for the new AR that had been redesigned from the classic, with a new arm that was very good quality, both had used a Shure V15II cartridge. Anyway, the AR was excellent and had no feedback problems at all and I did most of my cassette NAK recordings from it for several years. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:36 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 January 2006 14:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi Doane, In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala [Graham Nelson] I would! <> I don't want another TD124 ... maybe I was unlucky but I don't fancy getting bitten twice. However, I am (for the time being) hanging on to my renovated/rewired SME3012/II, although I presently have nothing on which I can use it. (Sadly, 12" arms don't fit on Oracle Delphi TT's ... ) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 12:04:02 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 03:04:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060107110402.25448.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane, Yes. you won't regret the effort and persevence the ZX7/9 requires. I have 22 Nakamichis and my DR10 is the only one that doesn't require any maintainence. However, I have to admit its the deck I least listen to. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: Thanks, Bala, I've never had a DR series deck, but just assumed they would walk over any other cassete deck in sound quality, but you may be right. I'll bet they still sound pretty darn good though, and especially for some one on a budget wanting a newer deck for a really good price... I have noticed they sell for less, but I agree, I would rather buy an older deck like my ZX7 and spend some money servicing it. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi Doane, While the newer series offers a peace of mind in terms of reliability, its down in terms of sound quality by several notches. I have a DR10 which I bought brand new in 2002. Yes its new, sounds nice and has features like bias tune and three heads. The 680ZX however, walks all over the DR10 and its pretty gold front panel! Awesome response and record/playback is fantastic! The 600 is another deck which will delight analogue lovers and old timers who focus more on the midrange and warmth of the human voice. Despite having heard much newer decks, I've yet to excited as much the way decks of the late 70s (like the original tri-tracer, ZXL series, 6XXZX series and 600) have. In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala Matt wrote: So many choices, they all sound so good. The hunt is on! Matt Doane Hoag wrote: > Hi, Fred: > Actually, the ZX-7 (1981-1984) was only made 1 year earlier then the > ZX-9 (1982-1985). The ZX-7 I have now was made in `83, so would be 23 > years old, not 30 something.. > > I'm not quibbling about this, it's just that everyone on this board > has been talking about much older Naks as well that are their > favorites, like the 1000 series (pre `84), the 680 series (pre `82), > etc. Even a CR4 is going to be over 16 years old (1988-90). > > I think the main thing is going to be the condition it's in and > whether parts are available. It seems like almost anything you buy on > Ebay is g! oing to need some work even though everyone of them states > they "have had very little use," (Like some one is going to fork out > the money for a new Nakamichi and then not use it?) ;~) > > The CR series is really nice, also, even the DR series, which are even > newer then the CRs would be a great deal for the money.. the DR10 was > made from 1999 on and has bias control, three heads, tape monitor, etc > DR2 was the same and just a bit older. I've seen 3 head DRs sell on > Ebay for $100-$200 There's a DR2 right now that's at $102, but the > reserve hasn't been meet > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5848023820 > > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Fred Lifton > *Sent:* We! dnesday, January 04, 2006 5:15 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds > wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another > important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to > be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years > old. Just something to think about... > > Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some > basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 > that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor > issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. > > My $.02. > > Fred > > On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> *Fr! om: *"Doane Hoag" > >> >> *Date: *January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST >> >> *To: *>, "Talk >> about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > >> >> *Subject: **RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete >> decks* >> >> *Reply-To: *rob at rhoag.com , Talk about >> Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> >> >> >> >> I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going >> to be >> >> doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >> >> with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but >> you will >> >> ! probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. >> Both have >> >> tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >> >> speed cue forward and backward. >> >> >> Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much >> recording >> >> control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias >> adjustment, >> >> which helps a lot in recording. >> >> >> Doane >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Here in Israel where I live, I acquired 2 boxes of 10 cassettes Fuji Z-2 90 minutes, each one cost me a mere $:1.00 (One US dollar only!), they are welded shells made entirely in Japan...I can tell you very confidently, that with my lovely gifted Dragon deck...the results are amazing good...of course after that you calibrate the machine for these Fuji. Be 100% confidently...are superbly tapes! Be well, ALEX! >From: Yoder Michael >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Sony tape and DR-3 >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:51:39 -0600 > >OK, my latest new year's resolution (besides composing at least 3 solo bass >etudes this year) is to tape my favourite LPs for backup purposes as I >listen to them. I started last night, and used Sony UX and UX-Pro >cassettes. The UX were "assembled in Mexico of components made in Japan >and USA", and the UX-Pro were "made in Mexico." I had bought a few of >these last summer but had not yet used them in the Nakamichi DR-3, which is >the machine set up in my living room hi-fi (with Rega P3, Rega Mira 3, >Arcam CD73, Focal-JMLab Cobalt 806 speakers). > >The results were stunning! The imaging is perfect, the detail is perfect. >Doing an A-B comparison, about the only tiny difference I may have heard is >that the taped version might be slightly more controlled in the bass with >the UX-Pro. I could tell no difference at all with the UX. > >OK, so today I went back to Liverpool, the store where I had bought those >tapes, to see if they had more. They were out of the UX, but had the >UX-Pro. They're 69 cents each for C-60 and 79 cents each for C-90. I >bought a total of 35 Sony tapes. In addition, the store had one 3-pack >remaining of Fuji Z-II 90's for $2.98, so I got that. I haven't used those >yet . In fact, I've never heard of that tape, but have had great luck with >other Fuji chrome tapes in the past, so I decided to try them. Did I get a >good deal? > >Anyway, Liverpool is a strange store that sells all kinds of consumer >electronics, many of which look discontinued, at amazingly cheap prices. >Laredo is on the Texas-Mexico border, and downtown Laredo has tons of >merchants who sell everything from shoes to jewelry to perfume to party >supplies to cheap electronics, both wholesale and retail >("mayoreo-menudeo"), but mostly small-scale wholesaling to people who take >the goods into Mexico and re-sell them. The owner, from Uruguay, tells me >that he procures the Sony tapes and sells quite a few because in Latin >America they still use cassettes. How ironic that tapes made in Mexico are >brought into the US and resold to Mexican buyers who then take them back >into Mexico! > >Anyway, what an interesting way to get me using my DR-3 much more! > >Happy new year to all. > >Michael Yoder >http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 12:25:46 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:25:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record Decks and any NAK will make you grin for joy if you haven't had one. Message-ID: Dear Ian! You wrote...! Please remind; me what I promised you? Cheers, ALEX! >From: earthrite at gn.apc.org >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record Decks and any NAK will make you >grin for joy if you havent had one. >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:37:26 +0000 > > Bala wrote: > The 600 is another deck which will delight analogue lovers and old >timers who focus more on the midrange and warmth of the human voice. >Despite having heard much newer decks, I've yet to excited as much the way >decks of the late 70s (like the original tri-tracer, ZXL series, 6XXZX >series and 600) have. In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega >Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn >away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? > >Bala > >Yum yum bala ....... I have a Linn LP 12 and associated Ittok arm and the >Ortofon vms30 we spoke about a month back...... but Im about to receive my >brothers Garrard 401 and SME3012/ii ....... sadly with his Shure M75ed >still in it ........ he never uses it and hasnt for possible 15 years so i >asked on Christmass day and he said sure come and get it. A lot easier to >set up than the Linn ...... but ugh what a plinth its in and no hinged lid >........ however I'll probably just miss out on that as they are a sonic >disaster and the 401 is such an icon of a design as well as being >interesting .... > >Leo Kotke made it here too i met him when he played at Uni and we all had a >couple of his album and John Fahey too. > >re Newbie wants a Nak .... as you know I just had the good fortune to turn >a $10 ebay 481 into a deck that B&W feel is certainly good for 10 years and >maybe much longer ..... barring belts all for the price of a service and >guarentee. > >Its from 1981 for heaven sake ....... and puts my record deck to shame and >thats some �2000 of stuff at my last reckoning and it sounds as good as the >various cd players I have to use. I could I suppose have spent 200 on >buying a newer deck maybe needing less work but a service on them would >also cost 200 pounds on top ..... so my view is buy any deck you like >...... if it works good then alleleulia but if not just get it serviced and >know you have a cassette deck that is likely to be as good as it ever could >be afterwards AND will stun anyone who knows how to listen to quality and >will IMHO do the grin thing for you, that Alex ( I think ) promised me it >would. > >These decks are so good its a shame not to have had one for 20 years. > >Im still wondering what use to make of the bias control on my 481z is if >anyone can help > >peace > >Ian > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Sat Jan 7 17:24:28 2006 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:24:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <43BEC9A1.8090903@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <200601071624.k07GOP4Z018097@zxe.naks.com> Hmm, that Cleaner looks good. Anyone know if it's available outside the US? (e.g. UK). Regards, Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 06 January 2006 19:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? Hi Mike, Mike Douglas wrote: > Thanks for all the replies on maximizing tape performance. Any > recommendation for the best head cleaner? I'd like to get the best > possible one I can get for use on a CR-7E, in case it might subjectively > vary from deck to deck. -Mike I'd heartly recommend only American Recorder S-721H Head/pinch roller cleaner. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 7 17:36:10 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:36:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BEFEBD.70901@lineone.net> References: <200601051100.k05B04CM007218@zxe.naks.com> <891B5D3C-F3DE-4E3B-8EFC-9BEAF57305D7@mac.com> <43BEFEBD.70901@lineone.net> Message-ID: <43BFEDFA.5020901@rcn.com> Well, power line conditioners are, in most cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. If you have a power line problem, they *will* fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than correcting the problem at the source. Power line problems are often the result of old or dilapidated wiring, connection boxes, outlets and the like. Replacing or repairing these is a better solution. A few years ago I got tired of the turntable cutting out whenever the air conditioner or refrigerator switched in. Since I was revamping the system anyway, I ran a dedicated power line from a dedicated circuit breaker to the A/V system. Since then, bliss... Cost, BTW, was a fraction of a Monster line conditioner... The same approach works with regard to many (most? all?) tweaks. What you want is solid engineering solutions to real problem, not gimmicks designed to separate you from your hard earned cash. Speaker cables should be adequate to the task, as should be the interconnects, but $1000 wires are a joke (on the consumer). With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, first, do the claims make technical sense? If invited to listen, remember that listening tests are useless unless blind (double blind is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or physicist. Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost $600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. Just my 2.5 cents... -- Ron Matt wrote: > Sorry if i'm going over old ground but as a complete aside i'm > interested to know if any one has any experience/opinion on ancillaries > such as power cords, silencers and mains blocks. I appreciate most of > you are on the other side of the atlantic, in the uk a company, Russ > Andrews, are producing a variety of items supposed to assist/improve > sound quality. As my amp is permanently on i get frustrated when i hear > an electrical component in the house 'fire up' and set the speakers > crackling, normally the fridge or freezer cutting in. > > Matt > > Fred Lifton wrote: > >> Hi Matt, >> IMHO, you can save a lot of money by not bothering with the fancy >> interconnects or the bi-amping. Put the money into getting your "new" >> Nak serviced. That will make a far greater difference sonically. >> I know the subject has been discussed exhaustively on this list and >> that many of us feel that most interconnects are snake-oil and that >> people who claim to hear a difference are psycho-acoustically >> influenced by the large amount of money they just spent on two chunks >> of wire wrapped in plastic. In my experience, $10-$20 buys you a nice >> sturdy cable with good quality shielding, plenty of copper and a firm >> connection. That's all you need. >> >> Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts >> of phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your >> amplifier really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If so, >> shop for a new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the interference >> claims either. Guitarists don't use one amp for the three high strings >> and one for the three bass strings and, electrically, these are much >> smaller signals and so presumably more prone to interference and >> interaction due to inductance. Same thing applies to pure acoustics: >> all the tones come out of the same sound hole on a violin, right? No, >> for me bi-amping makes about as much sense as any other form of >> segregation. >> >> That's my $.02. Take it or leave it. >> cheers, >> Fred >> >> On Jan 5, 2006, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com >> wrote: >> >>> Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping >>> to keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent >>> interconnect will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the >>> budget reasonable because i'm also tempted to try and find a power >>> amp to bi amp my speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to >>> reconsider and perhaps forgoe the amp. > From rob at rhoag.com Sat Jan 7 18:39:25 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:39:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BEFEBD.70901@lineone.net> Message-ID: Matt: Not good at all... could be filter caps in your power supply, but you definitely need to get that fixed, very hard on your tweeters. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Sorry if i'm going over old ground but as a complete aside i'm interested to know if any one has any experience/opinion on ancillaries such as power cords, silencers and mains blocks. I appreciate most of you are on the other side of the atlantic, in the uk a company, Russ Andrews, are producing a variety of items supposed to assist/improve sound quality. As my amp is permanently on i get frustrated when i hear an electrical component in the house 'fire up' and set the speakers crackling, normally the fridge or freezer cutting in. Matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:36 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Well, power line conditioners are, in most cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. If you have a power line problem, they *will* fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than correcting the problem at the source. Power line problems are often the result of old or dilapidated wiring, connection boxes, outlets and the like. Replacing or repairing these is a better solution. A few years ago I got tired of the turntable cutting out whenever the air conditioner or refrigerator switched in. Since I was revamping the system anyway, I ran a dedicated power line from a dedicated circuit breaker to the A/V system. Since then, bliss... Cost, BTW, was a fraction of a Monster line conditioner... The same approach works with regard to many (most? all?) tweaks. What you want is solid engineering solutions to real problem, not gimmicks designed to separate you from your hard earned cash. Speaker cables should be adequate to the task, as should be the interconnects, but $1000 wires are a joke (on the consumer). With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, first, do the claims make technical sense? If invited to listen, remember that listening tests are useless unless blind (double blind is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or physicist. Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost $600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. Just my 2.5 cents... -- Ron Matt wrote: > Sorry if i'm going over old ground but as a complete aside i'm > interested to know if any one has any experience/opinion on ancillaries > such as power cords, silencers and mains blocks. I appreciate most of > you are on the other side of the atlantic, in the uk a company, Russ > Andrews, are producing a variety of items supposed to assist/improve > sound quality. As my amp is permanently on i get frustrated when i hear > an electrical component in the house 'fire up' and set the speakers > crackling, normally the fridge or freezer cutting in. > > Matt > > Fred Lifton wrote: > >> Hi Matt, >> IMHO, you can save a lot of money by not bothering with the fancy >> interconnects or the bi-amping. Put the money into getting your "new" >> Nak serviced. That will make a far greater difference sonically. >> I know the subject has been discussed exhaustively on this list and >> that many of us feel that most interconnects are snake-oil and that >> people who claim to hear a difference are psycho-acoustically >> influenced by the large amount of money they just spent on two chunks >> of wire wrapped in plastic. In my experience, $10-$20 buys you a nice >> sturdy cable with good quality shielding, plenty of copper and a firm >> connection. That's all you need. >> >> Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts >> of phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your >> amplifier really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If so, >> shop for a new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the interference >> claims either. Guitarists don't use one amp for the three high strings >> and one for the three bass strings and, electrically, these are much >> smaller signals and so presumably more prone to interference and >> interaction due to inductance. Same thing applies to pure acoustics: >> all the tones come out of the same sound hole on a violin, right? No, >> for me bi-amping makes about as much sense as any other form of >> segregation. >> >> That's my $.02. Take it or leave it. >> cheers, >> Fred >> >> On Jan 5, 2006, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com >> wrote: >> >>> Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping >>> to keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent >>> interconnect will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the >>> budget reasonable because i'm also tempted to try and find a power >>> amp to bi amp my speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to >>> reconsider and perhaps forgoe the amp. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From marc at stager.com Sat Jan 7 19:12:49 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:12:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) In-Reply-To: <200601071102.k07B1vUP017310@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601071102.k07B1vUP017310@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060107123616.034f5308@stager.com> Use the bias control to adjust for the most accurate sound. Cheap and simple calibration: First make sure the heads are properly azimuth-aligned. Very important: BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO TOUCH THE HEAD HEIGHT CONTROLS. You need a calibrated and very expensive jig to get these right. Nakamichi should never have made these controls so easily accessible. Make a note of where the trimmers are so you can return to that spot if you don't get good results. I just put a little dot on the plastic trimmers with a Sharpie pen. Adjust for play head azimuth for best treble response from a high quality pre-recorded tape with good highs. Easiest if you listen in with Dolby OFF, and in MONO, which emphasizes phase differences. Of course, a calibrated test cassette is best, but a good commercially recorded tape is usually all you need. Set the deck up with: Dolby off. Set tape to EX for normal, SX for chrome (TDK SA, Maxell XL, etc), ZX for metal tapes Set EQ: 120 for normal, 70 for chrome or metal. Using your tuner for the source, switch it to mono and shut off the muting, tune to a spot where you just get noise, at one end of the dial or between station. Record at - 10 dB on the Nak meters. First, makes sure your record head azimuth is properly aligned by adjusting it for best treble response using the record head azimuth screw. Again, be careful not to touch the head height adjusters. Set the amplifier on mono. It helps if you turn up the treble. After you've got the heads aligned, then... Listening off the play head, (tape monitor ON on you preamp) do one side at a time, adjusting the bias control for the least difference in sound between the input and output as you flip between the tape and source switch. Not too much treble, not too little. They should sound the same. If you have a record level control, once you find the optimal bias point, trim it so the levels match. Some models can do this automatically. Check that the results are also good with Dolby ON. There should be no difference in the sound of FM noise - or music, except you'll lose most of the tape hiss you would normally hear on quiet passages. ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- >I'm still wondering what use to make of the bias >control on my 481z is if anyone can help >peace >Ian From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jan 7 19:13:14 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:13:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony tape and DR-3 Message-ID: Hi Michael, Great post!! I guess your Tascam and Sony are in the studio and they get all the attention!! I must agree, I have had plenty of satisfaction from the Mexican UX-S - and will look out for the UX Pro. Did you get a good deal? Definitely - excellent in fact. As for the Fuji ZIIs - they are terrific type IIs - very fresh, annimated sound. Alex Cozac in Israel gets them for a good price and loves them. Most of all, this is one project your Nak can get it's teeth into. As for border economics....hilarious stuff. Makes the mind spin. And that's without export subsidies to make things even crazier - just small time traders. A good 2006 to you all Naktalkers as well. Marc >>> msyoder at border.net 1/6/2006 9:51:39 PM >>> OK, my latest new year's resolution (besides composing at least 3 solo bass etudes this year) is to tape my favourite LPs for backup purposes as I listen to them. I started last night, and used Sony UX and UX-Pro cassettes. The UX were "assembled in Mexico of components made in Japan and USA", and the UX-Pro were "made in Mexico." I had bought a few of these last summer but had not yet used them in the Nakamichi DR-3, which is the machine set up in my living room hi-fi (with Rega P3, Rega Mira 3, Arcam CD73, Focal-JMLab Cobalt 806 speakers). The results were stunning! The imaging is perfect, the detail is perfect. Doing an A-B comparison, about the only tiny difference I may have heard is that the taped version might be slightly more controlled in the bass with the UX-Pro. I could tell no difference at all with the UX. OK, so today I went back to Liverpool, the store where I had bought those tapes, to see if they had more. They were out of the UX, but had the UX-Pro. They're 69 cents each for C-60 and 79 cents each for C-90. I bought a total of 35 Sony tapes. In addition, the store had one 3-pack remaining of Fuji Z-II 90's for $2.98, so I got that. I haven't used those yet . In fact, I've never heard of that tape, but have had great luck with other Fuji chrome tapes in the past, so I decided to try them. Did I get a good deal? Anyway, Liverpool is a strange store that sells all kinds of consumer electronics, many of which look discontinued, at amazingly cheap prices. Laredo is on the Texas-Mexico border, and downtown Laredo has tons of merchants who sell everything from shoes to jewelry to perfume to party supplies to cheap electronics, both wholesale and retail ("mayoreo-menudeo"), but mostly small-scale wholesaling to people who take the goods into Mexico and re-sell them. The owner, from Uruguay, tells me that he procures the Sony tapes and sells quite a few because in Latin America they still use cassettes. How ironic that tapes made in Mexico are brought into the US and resold to Mexican buyers who then take them back into Mexico! Anyway, what an interesting way to get me using my DR-3 much more! Happy new year to all. Michael Yoder http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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If you like this tonal presentation, then choose tapes formulated to deliver it when you get into recording. I look forward to hearing your expereinces with your first few compliations. Cheers - Marc >>> alexcozac at hotmail.com 1/7/2006 1:25:46 PM >>> Dear Ian! You wrote...! Please remind; me what I promised you? Cheers, ALEX! >From: earthrite at gn.apc.org >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record Decks and any NAK will make you >grin for joy if you havent had one. >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:37:26 +0000 > > Bala wrote: > The 600 is another deck which will delight analogue lovers and old >timers who focus more on the midrange and warmth of the human voice. >Despite having heard much newer decks, I've yet to excited as much the way >decks of the late 70s (like the original tri-tracer, ZXL series, 6XXZX >series and 600) have. In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega >Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn >away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? > >Bala > >Yum yum bala ....... I have a Linn LP 12 and associated Ittok arm and the >Ortofon vms30 we spoke about a month back...... but Im about to receive my >brothers Garrard 401 and SME3012/ii ....... sadly with his Shure M75ed >still in it ........ he never uses it and hasnt for possible 15 years so i >asked on Christmass day and he said sure come and get it. A lot easier to >set up than the Linn ...... but ugh what a plinth its in and no hinged lid >........ however I'll probably just miss out on that as they are a sonic >disaster and the 401 is such an icon of a design as well as being >interesting .... > >Leo Kotke made it here too i met him when he played at Uni and we all had a >couple of his album and John Fahey too. > >re Newbie wants a Nak .... as you know I just had the good fortune to turn >a $10 ebay 481 into a deck that B&W feel is certainly good for 10 years and >maybe much longer ..... barring belts all for the price of a service and >guarentee. > >Its from 1981 for heaven sake ....... and puts my record deck to shame and >thats some £2000 of stuff at my last reckoning and it sounds as good as the >various cd players I have to use. I could I suppose have spent 200 on >buying a newer deck maybe needing less work but a service on them would >also cost 200 pounds on top ..... so my view is buy any deck you like >...... if it works good then alleleulia but if not just get it serviced and >know you have a cassette deck that is likely to be as good as it ever could >be afterwards AND will stun anyone who knows how to listen to quality and >will IMHO do the grin thing for you, that Alex ( I think ) promised me it >would. > >These decks are so good its a shame not to have had one for 20 years. > >Im still wondering what use to make of the bias control on my 481z is if >anyone can help > >peace > >Ian > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 7 20:14:23 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:14:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BFEDFA.5020901@rcn.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c613be$917f7080$3ba987d9@oemcomputer> I rather fancy much of the Russ Andrews products are in the snake oil/Space Cadets category. In a weak moment I was persuaded to buy his "Silencer" product as I was getting annoyed with a nasty snap sound occurring every time my central heating boiler came on when I was playing my CD player. I can honestly say the "Silencer" made no difference whatsoever. I really wanted it to do so but it didn't! I have found SOME mains power conditioners can help clean up noise in the UK mains supply, BUT they can also have a detrimental effect, too. Ron will correct my bad science if I am wrong, but my take on it is that some of these power conditioners use banks of caps' to isolate the input of the supply to whatever else they do inside and the output. In so doing it seems to me that the amp is not always able to draw as much current from the mains supply as it needs to cope with dynamics of the music. Ditto those that use Xva2Xva transformers. Even so, I still use two power conditioners for most of my equipment as, to my ears, these particular pair do seem to give me a clearer sound from the equipment that I have. One of these is an early "audio" mains conditioner from a company that was originally created to produce radar (Radar Developments.) The other is a monster, having been designed and built by British Telecom for use with their more sensitive telephone switching equipment. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 07 January 2006 16:36 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete > decks > > > > Well, power line conditioners are, in most > cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. > If you have a power line problem, they *will* > fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than > correcting the problem at the source. > >. > > -- Ron > > > > From flifton at mac.com Sat Jan 7 20:32:30 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:32:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Power line issues In-Reply-To: <200601071823.k07INKUJ018494@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601071823.k07INKUJ018494@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <525EDB4E-882F-409C-A39B-236EA6D8CB14@mac.com> I agree with Ron wholeheartedly. Simply running a dedicated (on its own breaker) line will solve most problems for much less money than any power conditioner (albeit with fewer impressive blinking LED's). If you want to go a step further, run the line with an isolated ground (this is the circuit commonly used to wire computer power in machine rooms). It's easy to do (just run 12/3 and use the red wire for a second ground at the box), and provides a quieter and more reliable ground. For wire, I use 12awg Høm De Pot Rome-X cabling. For outlets, just buy the "heavy-duty" or "contractor" grade ones, the cheapie ($.89) ones are mostly plastic and tend to crack. The $2.00 contractor ones are much better. Sometimes there are good deals on multi-piece lots of receptacles on ebay. I recently won 8 hospital- grade receptacles for $18 shipped. Why hospital grade? So that when I sell my house, I can impress the prospective buyers who are impressed by such foolishness. That, however, is a real estate consideration, not an audio one. There, we just saved you enough to buy yourself a Dragon! cheers, Fred On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:23 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > From: Ron > Date: January 7, 2006 8:36:10 AM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak > cassete decks > Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Well, power line conditioners are, in most > cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. > If you have a power line problem, they *will* > fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than > correcting the problem at the source. > > Power line problems are often the result of old > or dilapidated wiring, connection boxes, outlets > and the like. Replacing or repairing these is a > better solution. > > A few years ago I got tired of the turntable > cutting out whenever the air conditioner > or refrigerator switched in. Since I was > revamping the system anyway, I ran a dedicated > power line from a dedicated circuit breaker to > the A/V system. Since then, bliss... Cost, BTW, > was a fraction of a Monster line conditioner... > > The same approach works with regard to many > (most? all?) tweaks. What you want is solid > engineering solutions to real problem, not > gimmicks designed to separate you from your > hard earned cash. Speaker cables should be > adequate to the task, as should be the > interconnects, but $1000 wires are a joke > (on the consumer). > > With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, > first, do the claims make technical sense? If > invited to listen, remember that listening > tests are useless unless blind (double blind > is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or > physicist. > > Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies > it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost > $600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. > > Just my 2.5 cents... > > -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Jan 7 22:27:57 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:27:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Power line issues In-Reply-To: <525EDB4E-882F-409C-A39B-236EA6D8CB14@mac.com> Message-ID: Well said, Fred. I just want to add: Be sure you know what you're doing... AC is DEADLY. Turn off things inside, then turn off your main breaker before you take the panel off, etc. Only use ONE ground point, the one in your box, don'tg start creating new ground points on faucet pipes, etc. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Power line issues I agree with Ron wholeheartedly. Simply running a dedicated (on its own breaker) line will solve most problems for much less money than any power conditioner (albeit with fewer impressive blinking LED's). If you want to go a step further, run the line with an isolated ground (this is the circuit commonly used to wire computer power in machine rooms). It's easy to do (just run 12/3 and use the red wire for a second ground at the box), and provides a quieter and more reliable ground. For wire, I use 12awg Høm De Pot Rome-X cabling. For outlets, just buy the "heavy-duty" or "contractor" grade ones, the cheapie ($.89) ones are mostly plastic and tend to crack. The $2.00 contractor ones are much better. Sometimes there are good deals on multi-piece lots of receptacles on ebay. I recently won 8 hospital-grade receptacles for $18 shipped. Why hospital grade? So that when I sell my house, I can impress the prospective buyers who are impressed by such foolishness. That, however, is a real estate consideration, not an audio one. There, we just saved you enough to buy yourself a Dragon! cheers, Fred On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:23 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: Ron Date: January 7, 2006 8:36:10 AM PST To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Well, power line conditioners are, in most cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. If you have a power line problem, they *will* fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than correcting the problem at the source. Power line problems are often the result of old or dilapidated wiring, connection boxes, outlets and the like. Replacing or repairing these is a better solution. A few years ago I got tired of the turntable cutting out whenever the air conditioner or refrigerator switched in. Since I was revamping the system anyway, I ran a dedicated power line from a dedicated circuit breaker to the A/V system. Since then, bliss... Cost, BTW, was a fraction of a Monster line conditioner... The same approach works with regard to many (most? all?) tweaks. What you want is solid engineering solutions to real problem, not gimmicks designed to separate you from your hard earned cash. Speaker cables should be adequate to the task, as should be the interconnects, but $1000 wires are a joke (on the consumer). With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, first, do the claims make technical sense? If invited to listen, remember that listening tests are useless unless blind (double blind is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or physicist. Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost $600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. Just my 2.5 cents... -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 7 22:40:32 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:40:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Power line issues In-Reply-To: <525EDB4E-882F-409C-A39B-236EA6D8CB14@mac.com> References: <200601071823.k07INKUJ018494@zxe.naks.com> <525EDB4E-882F-409C-A39B-236EA6D8CB14@mac.com> Message-ID: <43C03550.9070404@rcn.com> Fred Lifton wrote: > I agree with Ron wholeheartedly. Simply running a dedicated (on its own > breaker) line will solve most problems for much less money than any > power conditioner (albeit with fewer impressive blinking LED's). > > If you want to go a step further, run the line with an isolated ground > (this is the circuit commonly used to wire computer power in machine > rooms). It's easy to do (just run 12/3 and use the red wire for a second > ground at the box), and provides a quieter and more reliable ground. For > wire, I use 12awg Høm De Pot Rome-X cabling. For outlets, just buy the > "heavy-duty" or "contractor" grade ones, the cheapie ($.89) ones are > mostly plastic and tend to crack. The $2.00 contractor ones are much > better. Sometimes there are good deals on multi-piece lots of > receptacles on ebay. I recently won 8 hospital-grade receptacles for $18 > shipped. Why hospital grade? So that when I sell my house, I can impress > the prospective buyers who are impressed by such foolishness. That, > however, is a real estate consideration, not an audio one. Fred, Graham, I didn't go into that much details in my post, but, yes, I did do most of what you are suggesting. I didn't do an isolated ground (I'm willing to defend that choice) and preferred shrouded 12AWG wire to standard Romex, as I wanted to reduce the electric fields around the system. I used a 20A industrial grade outlet, that feeds the A/V system power distribution through a hefty 12AWG cord, terminated in a heftier 20A industrial plug. These feed a bank of standard 79 cent 15A outlets mounted on the rear of the equipment towers. No outlets carries more than 2 or 3 amps in normal operation (the power amp outlets could carry up to 9 amps each at full power, but the speakers are sure to blow well before the outlets). The outlets are controlled by several 30A relays, controlled, in turn, by the preamp, that are fired in succession as the preamp turns on, with 1, 2, and 3 second delays. The power amps are powered last, preventing any turn-on transients from reaching the speakers. The power amps are mounted on the house foundation in the garage. Each has it's own fan, pointing at the heat sinks. The A/V system is located directly above, in the family room. This results in all leads to the power amps about 4 ft. longer -- well worth the removal of fan noise from the listening area. As you see, while I do not believe in 'tweaks', I do subscribe to solid engineering practices and don't mind an occasional *reasonable* overkill. -- Ron > > There, we just saved you enough to buy yourself a Dragon! > > cheers, > Fred > > On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:23 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> ** >> >> *From: *Ron > >> >> *Date: *January 7, 2006 8:36:10 AM PST >> >> *To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> >> *Subject: **Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak >> cassete decks* >> >> *Reply-To: *ra.ah at rcn.com , Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks > >> >> >> >> >> Well, power line conditioners are, in most >> >> cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. >> >> If you have a power line problem, they *will* >> >> fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than >> >> correcting the problem at the source. >> >> >> Power line problems are often the result of old >> >> or dilapidated wiring, connection boxes, outlets >> >> and the like. Replacing or repairing these is a >> >> better solution. >> >> >> A few years ago I got tired of the turntable >> >> cutting out whenever the air conditioner >> >> or refrigerator switched in. Since I was >> >> revamping the system anyway, I ran a dedicated >> >> power line from a dedicated circuit breaker to >> >> the A/V system. Since then, bliss... Cost, BTW, >> >> was a fraction of a Monster line conditioner... >> >> >> The same approach works with regard to many >> >> (most? all?) tweaks. What you want is solid >> >> engineering solutions to real problem, not >> >> gimmicks designed to separate you from your >> >> hard earned cash. Speaker cables should be >> >> adequate to the task, as should be the >> >> interconnects, but $1000 wires are a joke >> >> (on the consumer). >> >> >> With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, >> >> first, do the claims make technical sense? If >> >> invited to listen, remember that listening >> >> tests are useless unless blind (double blind >> >> is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or >> >> physicist. >> >> >> Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies >> >> it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost >> >> $600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. >> >> >> Just my 2.5 cents... >> >> >> -- Ron From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 7 22:58:55 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:58:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BFEDFA.5020901@rcn.com> References: <200601051100.k05B04CM007218@zxe.naks.com> <891B5D3C-F3DE-4E3B-8EFC-9BEAF57305D7@mac.com> <43BEFEBD.70901@lineone.net> <43BFEDFA.5020901@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43C0399F.2010108@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, Ron wrote: > > Well, power line conditioners are, in most > cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. > If you have a power line problem, they *will* > fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than > correcting the problem at the source. ... > ... With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, > first, do the claims make technical sense? If > invited to listen, remember that listening > tests are useless unless blind (double blind > is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or > physicist. > ... > Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies > it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost > $600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. Right on, Ron! If you live in an apartment, or do not want to rewire anything, then with a bit of ingenuity anyone can make an effective power supply filter using AC filter parts (an AC RF intereferencefilter module mounted in an IEC AC connector like those made by Corcom) from sources like Mouser, Digi-Key or MCM Electronics, or Farnell. Simply get one of the AC line RFI filter modules, a good small metal project box, and whatever AC outlet and plug your conuntry uses, a few inches of 16-gauge wire, and for under $50.00 USD you have an excellent power supply filter. > Just my 2.5 cents... Which will save hundreds of dollars/pounds. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sat Jan 7 23:00:32 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:00:32 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 (Ross Kiely) Message-ID: <003401c613d5$c7b00040$0201a8c0@lan> Ross, While I am no expert on these things, with regards to your 'new' 600 just stopping intermittently, I have had (have) the same problem with both my 600 and 600II. In both my cases, the fault appeared to be the same. The autostop mechanism is controlled by a magnet attached to the base of the tape counter op shaft, driven by a belt off the take up spool. This drive belt is getting tired and slipping, hence the autostop thinks the deck has stopped and shuts off.. a real pain if in the middle of recording!. I haven't attempted to replace either belt as yet.. it doesn't look to be an easy job for an amateur like me, and also I haven't located a suitable replacement as yet either. However I have cleaned the belt with some improvement: A couple of things you can try, individually, or both together: 1) try cleaning this belt with IPA, or if the belt is quite glazed, then use MEK sparingly to take off the glaze. If you used MEK, give the belt some time to recover before using the deck as MEK will swell the rubber if used excessively. 2) If the belt also appears a bit stretched or loose, try putting a twist or two in it, to shorten it slightly.. an old trick we used to use for getting more life out of old turntable belts until we could source a replacement.. and also works wonders on tired mode control belts in the standard Nak mechanism :o).. If this doesn't bring about some improvement, then the problem may be more serious. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 7 23:15:33 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:15:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <6e1618b40601062137t262ba7ccpfa8df4b76094e954@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e1618b40601062137t262ba7ccpfa8df4b76094e954@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C03D85.40302@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ross, Ross Kiely wrote: > Hi everyone!! Just found this site while looking at a Nak on e-bay. I > have owned a Nak 600 since it came on the market! Excellent! A fellow 600 owner! These decks are so cool. > Over the years it has > served me well. It has mostly been trouble free except twice over the > years, with Both times the problem being with the Control push keys not > engaging the Record Mode.Sometimes they would not even engage it in Play > mode. Had it fixed both times by Nak Tech. but alas there are not too > many around now in my area, and the same problem has arisen again! When this has happened with mine, a common woe with the 600, the problem has been that a little plastic pin has broken off of the white plastic plate that slides back-n-forth as you press keys. The best solution is to remove the plastic plate, drill a hole where the pin broke off, then put a small screw (without the head) or a metal pin the same diameter and length (measured beyond the side of the plastic plate) epoxied in place. The problem will never recur. There is a small brass thing that swings down from the metal slider (shown in the manual, albeit not clearly) that the pin passes through an oval slot in the part. This swinging part won't be in the right place when the pin breaks. This is what is keeping your keys from locking. I can talk you through this procedure off-list if you need the assistance. Gotta keep these 600s running! They're just too good to let die. > Just > purchased a Used 600 from Ebay yesterday for$35.00. The owner said that > it was working fine, then while in Play,just stopped. so he decided to > sell it for parts. etc. Maybe between the two, I can get one or both > working again. Also purchasing a Service Manual from E-bay for the 600. > Will see what I can do! Sorry if I rambeld on too much. Will keep it > shorter in the future. Any suggestions or ideas will be welcomed. Thanks Ramble on! We enjoy it! We also ramble on! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sun Jan 8 01:08:47 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:08:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Christmas Message-ID: <000401c613e7$b2a74e80$2e1bd255@homeduron1300> Hi All, I had intended to send in this link in December but delayed because I couldn't afford to buy the tapes I wanted at the time. Anyway I have done so now and throw open to the world this well kept secret. Stanley productions are UK based and seem to have copious quantities of cassettes like Quantigy 472, Fuji MZ metal 60 mins (cheaper in multiples of 100 it says on the site), TDK MA50, and SAX 100's plus all the usual ones. They may not send 'overseas' but at least UK buyers can benefit. I'm not sure how to put a link in an email but try 'stanleysonline' in google or put www.stanleysonline.co.uk in the address bar, and see what happens. Happy buying. David From rob at rhoag.com Sun Jan 8 02:24:46 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:24:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Christmas In-Reply-To: <000401c613e7$b2a74e80$2e1bd255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: Here's a really good deal on TDK SA-90 US$1.36 each for 1-5 and cheaper for more http://www.tapecenter.com/tapecenter/blanaudtap.html They also have Maxell XLII90 for US$1.19 ea TDK SA_X90 CAD$2.93 EURO $2.07 http://www.clicshop.com/Stores/qualitaspro/c30954p101674.2.html Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Edwards Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Happy Christmas Hi All, I had intended to send in this link in December but delayed because I couldn't afford to buy the tapes I wanted at the time. Anyway I have done so now and throw open to the world this well kept secret. Stanley productions are UK based and seem to have copious quantities of cassettes like Quantigy 472, Fuji MZ metal 60 mins (cheaper in multiples of 100 it says on the site), TDK MA50, and SAX 100's plus all the usual ones. They may not send 'overseas' but at least UK buyers can benefit. I'm not sure how to put a link in an email but try 'stanleysonline' in google or put www.stanleysonline.co.uk in the address bar, and see what happens. Happy buying. David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 03:55:04 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:55:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? Message-ID: Hi Mark! Per example..., as happen to me here in Israel, exist a representative from such factory, however he import ONLY a can of 5 US gallons...such quantity it's "Insane"...so I continue cleaning with alcohol, cotton "Q Tip". barely damped. and after with an a dry one...my Dragon a year & half...continue working! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Mark Caton" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:24:28 -0000 > >Hmm, that Cleaner looks good. > >Anyone know if it's available outside the US? (e.g. UK). > >Regards, > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Kermit V. Gray >Sent: 06 January 2006 19:49 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? > >Hi Mike, > >Mike Douglas wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies on maximizing tape performance. Any > > recommendation for the best head cleaner? I'd like to get the best > > possible one I can get for use on a CR-7E, in case it might subjectively > > vary from deck to deck. -Mike > >I'd heartly recommend only HREF="http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/profs7headgu.html">American >Recorder S-721H Head/pinch roller cleaner. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 04:01:25 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 03:01:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) Message-ID: Bravo...Mark...an a Super Wise advice & an a very good and cheap one also...God will Bless you...Ever! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Marc Stager >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) >Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:12:49 -0500 > >Use the bias control to adjust for the most accurate sound. > >Cheap and simple calibration: > >First make sure the heads are properly azimuth-aligned. > >Very important: >BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO TOUCH THE HEAD HEIGHT CONTROLS. >You need a calibrated and very expensive jig to get these right. >Nakamichi should never have made these controls so easily >accessible. > >Make a note of where the trimmers are so you can return to that spot >if you don't get good results. I just put a little dot on the plastic >trimmers >with a Sharpie pen. > >Adjust for play head azimuth for best treble response from a high >quality pre-recorded tape with good highs. Easiest if you listen in >with Dolby OFF, and in MONO, which emphasizes phase differences. >Of course, a calibrated test cassette is best, but a good commercially >recorded tape is usually all you need. > >Set the deck up with: >Dolby off. >Set tape to EX for normal, SX for chrome (TDK SA, Maxell XL, etc), ZX for >metal tapes >Set EQ: 120 for normal, 70 for chrome or metal. > >Using your tuner for the source, switch it to mono and shut off the >muting, tune to a spot where you just get noise, at one end of the >dial or between station. > >Record at - 10 dB on the Nak meters. > >First, makes sure your record head azimuth is properly aligned by >adjusting it for best treble response using the record head azimuth >screw. Again, be careful not to touch the head height adjusters. >Set the amplifier on mono. It helps if you turn up the treble. > >After you've got the heads aligned, then... > >Listening off the play head, (tape monitor ON on you preamp) >do one side at a time, adjusting the bias control for the least >difference in sound between the input and output as you flip >between the tape and source switch. Not too much treble, not >too little. They should sound the same. > >If you have a record level control, once you find the optimal bias point, >trim it so the levels match. Some models can do this automatically. > >Check that the results are also good with Dolby ON. There should >be no difference in the sound of FM noise - or music, except you'll >lose most of the tape hiss you would normally hear on quiet passages. > >____________ Marc Stager >Stager Sound Systems >http://marc.stager.com/ > >-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- >>I'm still wondering what use to make of the bias >>control on my 481z is if anyone can help >>peace >>Ian > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 04:11:03 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 03:11:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Power line issues Message-ID: Hi Fred! You wrote...,>I recently won 8 hospital-grade receptacles for $18 shipped. Why hospital grade? So that when I sell my house, I can impress the prospective buyers who are impressed by such foolishness. That, however, is a real estate consideration, not an audio one.< BTW...also makes much better contact when you plug any stereo gear....leave behing "Cosmetics"! Be well, ALEX! >From: Fred Lifton >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Power line issues >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:32:30 -0800 > >I agree with Ron wholeheartedly. Simply running a dedicated (on its own >breaker) line will solve most problems for much less money than any power >conditioner (albeit with fewer impressive blinking LED's). > >If you want to go a step further, run the line with an isolated ground >(this is the circuit commonly used to wire computer power in machine >rooms). It's easy to do (just run 12/3 and use the red wire for a second >ground at the box), and provides a quieter and more reliable ground. For >wire, I use 12awg H�m De Pot Rome-X cabling. For outlets, just buy the >"heavy-duty" or "contractor" grade ones, the cheapie ($.89) ones are >mostly plastic and tend to crack. The $2.00 contractor ones are much >better. Sometimes there are good deals on multi-piece lots of receptacles >on ebay. I recently won 8 hospital- grade receptacles for $18 shipped. Why >hospital grade? So that when I sell my house, I can impress the >prospective buyers who are impressed by such foolishness. That, however, >is a real estate consideration, not an audio one. > >There, we just saved you enough to buy yourself a Dragon! > >cheers, >Fred > >On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:23 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >> >>From: Ron >>Date: January 7, 2006 8:36:10 AM PST >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete >>decks >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >> >> >>Well, power line conditioners are, in most >>cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. >>If you have a power line problem, they *will* >>fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than >>correcting the problem at the source. >> >>Power line problems are often the result of old >>or dilapidated wiring, connection boxes, outlets >>and the like. Replacing or repairing these is a >>better solution. >> >>A few years ago I got tired of the turntable >>cutting out whenever the air conditioner >>or refrigerator switched in. Since I was >>revamping the system anyway, I ran a dedicated >>power line from a dedicated circuit breaker to >>the A/V system. Since then, bliss... Cost, BTW, >>was a fraction of a Monster line conditioner... >> >>The same approach works with regard to many >>(most? all?) tweaks. What you want is solid >>engineering solutions to real problem, not >>gimmicks designed to separate you from your >>hard earned cash. Speaker cables should be >>adequate to the task, as should be the >>interconnects, but $1000 wires are a joke >>(on the consumer). >> >>With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, >>first, do the claims make technical sense? If >>invited to listen, remember that listening >>tests are useless unless blind (double blind >>is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or >>physicist. >> >>Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies >>it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost >>$600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. >> >>Just my 2.5 cents... >> >>-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 04:22:06 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 03:22:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassette decks Message-ID: Hi Gra'! You wrote..., >One of these is an early "audio" mains conditioner from a company that was originally created to produce radar (Radar Developments.)> BTW...I ordered, from them...sent the payment trough my bank account, they received the money (My bank certificate that there in UK...the money was taken; but...NEVER...NEVER I get the product! Happens at least 15 or more years...after a while I read that the "Factory" close their business! Only as an curiosity history...! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:14:23 -0000 > >I rather fancy much of the Russ Andrews products are in the snake oil/Space >Cadets category. In a weak moment I was persuaded to buy his "Silencer" >product as I was getting annoyed with a nasty snap sound occurring every >time my central heating boiler came on when I was playing my CD player. I >can honestly say the "Silencer" made no difference whatsoever. I really >wanted it to do so but it didn't! > >I have found SOME mains power conditioners can help clean up noise in the >UK >mains supply, BUT they can also have a detrimental effect, too. Ron will >correct my bad science if I am wrong, but my take on it is that some of >these power conditioners use banks of caps' to isolate the input of the >supply to whatever else they do inside and the output. In so doing it >seems >to me that the amp is not always able to draw as much current from the >mains >supply as it needs to cope with dynamics of the music. Ditto those that >use Xva2Xva transformers. Even so, I still use two power conditioners for >most of my equipment as, to my ears, these particular pair do seem to give >me a clearer sound from the equipment that I have. One of these is an >early >"audio" mains conditioner from a company that was originally created to >produce radar (Radar Developments.) The other is a monster, having been >designed and built by British Telecom for use with their more sensitive >telephone switching equipment. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ron > > Sent: 07 January 2006 16:36 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete > > decks > > > > > > > > Well, power line conditioners are, in most > > cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. > > If you have a power line problem, they *will* > > fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than > > correcting the problem at the source. > > > >. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg56322 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 8 01:18:48 2006 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:18:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape dubbing In-Reply-To: <200601071034.k07AXxRE017200@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060108001848.95683.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> What is the proper procedure when dubbing tapes? 1) set output on a playback deck to maximum, adjust recording volume on recording deck. 2) set output on a playback deck to approx. 50% and adjust the recording volume on recording deck 3) set recording level to maximum and adjust playback level to low level sufficient enough. Does it make any difference since in all three instances recording deck VU meters show the same level? I tend to use #1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rossnkiely at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 05:09:17 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:09:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <43C03D85.40302@woods-and-waters.com> References: <6e1618b40601062137t262ba7ccpfa8df4b76094e954@mail.gmail.com> <43C03D85.40302@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6e1618b40601072009k65a6b7aep9bff8504fc50119a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Kermit. It seemed to take awhile for my first post to appear and I kept checking to see if I had made a mistake or something. Glad to see it made it! Thank you for the Detailed instructions! I vaguely remember many years ago a Tech. who was repairing my 600 trying to explain the failure reason. You description brought it back home. As I mentioned, I bought another 600 deck the other day from E-bay with what sounds, a similar problem. I am waiting on it to arrive and also the Service Manual I got also from e-bay Before I start trying to repair! Will keep the list informed of my progress! Ross. On 1/7/06, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > Hi Ross, > > Ross Kiely wrote: > > Hi everyone!! Just found this site while looking at a Nak on e-bay. I > > have owned a Nak 600 since it came on the market! > > Excellent! A fellow 600 owner! These decks are so cool. > > > Over the years it has > > served me well. It has mostly been trouble free except twice over the > > years, with Both times the problem being with the Control push keys not > > engaging the Record Mode.Sometimes they would not even engage it in Play > > mode. Had it fixed both times by Nak Tech. but alas there are not too > > many around now in my area, and the same problem has arisen again! > > When this has happened with mine, a common woe with the 600, the problem > has been that a little plastic pin has broken off of the white plastic > plate that slides back-n-forth as you press keys. > > > The best solution is to remove the plastic plate, drill a hole where the > pin broke off, then put a small screw (without the head) or a metal pin > the same diameter and length (measured beyond the side of the plastic > plate) epoxied in place. The problem will never recur. There is a small > brass thing that swings down from the metal slider (shown in the manual, > albeit not clearly) that the pin passes through an oval slot in the > part. This swinging part won't be in the right place when the pin > breaks. This is what is keeping your keys from locking. > > I can talk you through this procedure off-list if you need the > assistance. Gotta keep these 600s running! They're just too good to let > die. > > > Just > > purchased a Used 600 from Ebay yesterday for$35.00. The owner said that > > it was working fine, then while in Play,just stopped. so he decided to > > sell it for parts. etc. Maybe between the two, I can get one or both > > working again. Also purchasing a Service Manual from E-bay for the 600. > > Will see what I can do! Sorry if I rambeld on too much. Will keep it > > shorter in the future. Any suggestions or ideas will be welcomed. Thanks > > Ramble on! We enjoy it! We also ramble on! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msyoder at border.net Sun Jan 8 06:08:28 2006 From: msyoder at border.net (Yoder Michael) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:08:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony tape and DR-3 In-Reply-To: <200601072045.k07KjVls018974@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Marc, Yes, the Tascams (112 MkII and 122 MkIII) and the Sony KA3ES are in my studio. Interestingly, I just heard from a drummer friend of mine who was in town a couple weeks ago to do some taping, along with my regular trumpet player and myself, of some of my jazz compositions. He then played the CD copies for his parents, two professional musicians up in Dallas, a composer/pianist/teacher and an opera singer/teacher. Apparently he begged them against their wishes to divulge their honest appraisal of the CDs, and one of the things they said they were most impressed with was the engineering of the session. Well, that was done on the Sony cassette recorder. He said they were stunned to learn that. The recording sessions were quite simple: I used a Mackie 1202 VLZ pro mixer. The electronic drum kit and the bass were recorded direct, and the trumpet was recorded with a Shure SM58 mic. I used a wee bit of reverb in the mix (Zoom RFX-300), and I used TDK SA60 and SA90 tape. I have found this overall setup to be the best way to capture a human sounding performance live in the studio. I probably like the Tascam 122 MkIII a tad better, but the Sony is certainly great. Alex Cozac's enthusiasm for the Fuji ZII tapes has piqued my curiosity, and I will use those that I recently bought for the next group recording session. I want to thank Alex for his comments. Cheers to all! Michael Yoder On Saturday, January 7, 2006, at 02:45 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > Great post!! I guess your Tascam and Sony are in the studio and they > get all the attention!! I must agree, I have had plenty of > satisfaction from the Mexican UX-S - and will look out for the UX Pro. > Did you get a good deal? Definitely - excellent in fact. As for the > Fuji ZIIs - they are terrific type IIs - very fresh, annimated sound. > Alex Cozac in Israel gets them for a good price and loves them. Most > of all, this is one project your Nak can get it's teeth into. > > A good 2006 to you all Naktalkers as well. > > Marc From rossnkiely at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 06:13:37 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:13:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 (Ross Kiely) In-Reply-To: <003401c613d5$c7b00040$0201a8c0@lan> References: <003401c613d5$c7b00040$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <6e1618b40601072113i77733a3esebdb20de8ea3b382@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Martin. Just read a similar fix/cure on a Lieberman Electronics web site,I think it was, which mentioned the belt as a possible reason for a transport to suddenly slow down or even stop while engaged. A replacement runs around $10.00. Ross. On 1/7/06, Martin Short wrote: > > Ross, > > While I am no expert on these things, with regards to your 'new' 600 just > stopping intermittently, I have had (have) the same problem with both my 600 > and 600II. > In both my cases, the fault appeared to be the same. The autostop > mechanism is controlled by a magnet attached to the base of the tape > counter op shaft, driven by a belt off the take up spool. This drive belt is > getting tired and slipping, hence the autostop thinks the deck has stopped > and shuts off.. a real pain if in the middle of recording!. > I haven't attempted to replace either belt as yet.. it doesn't look to be > an easy job for an amateur like me, and also I haven't located a suitable > replacement as yet either. However I have cleaned the belt with some > improvement: A couple of things you can try, individually, or both > together: > > 1) try cleaning this belt with IPA, or if the belt is quite glazed, then > use MEK sparingly to take off the glaze. If you used MEK, give the belt some > time to recover before using the deck as MEK will swell the rubber if used > excessively. > 2) If the belt also appears a bit stretched or loose, try putting a twist > or two in it, to shorten it slightly.. an old trick we used to use for > getting more life out of old turntable belts until we could source a > replacement.. and also works wonders on tired mode control belts in the > standard Nak mechanism :o).. > > If this doesn't bring about some improvement, then the problem may be more > serious. > cheers, > > Martin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 8 12:28:32 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:28:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassette decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <012101c61446$a8499a60$3ba987d9@oemcomputer> Hi Alex Yes, I think they went into Receivership, in which case their bank would have got your money! Bank's get first take on a company's assets. At the time I bought a three types of their products - the mains purifier, three of their "virtual batteries" (they worked very well with my old Aiwa cassette deck, giving the speeds much needed stability) and a pair of shielded figure eight mains leads. Which product did you order? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 08 January 2006 03:22 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassette > decks > > > Hi Gra'! > > You wrote..., >One of these is an early > "audio" mains conditioner from a company that was originally created to > produce radar (Radar Developments.)> > > BTW...I ordered, from them...sent the payment trough my bank > account, they > received the money (My bank certificate that there in UK...the money was > taken; but...NEVER...NEVER I get the product! > > Happens at least 15 or more years...after a while I read that the > "Factory" > close their business! > > Only as an curiosity history...! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 13:09:36 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:09:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony tape and DR-3 Message-ID: My dear Michael! You wrote! >Alex Cozac's enthusiasm for the Fuji ZII tapes has piqued my >curiosity, and I will use those that I recently bought for the next group >recording session. I want to thank Alex for his comments.< It's OK...be my most heart fully guest! Enjoy them, ALEX! >From: Yoder Michael >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Sony tape and DR-3 >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:08:28 -0600 > >Hi Marc, > >Yes, the Tascams (112 MkII and 122 MkIII) and the Sony KA3ES are in my >studio. Interestingly, I just heard from a drummer friend of mine who was >in town a couple weeks ago to do some taping, along with my regular trumpet >player and myself, of some of my jazz compositions. He then played the CD >copies for his parents, two professional musicians up in Dallas, a >composer/pianist/teacher and an opera singer/teacher. Apparently he >begged them against their wishes to divulge their honest appraisal of the >CDs, and one of the things they said they were most impressed with was the >engineering of the session. Well, that was done on the Sony cassette >recorder. He said they were stunned to learn that. > >The recording sessions were quite simple: I used a Mackie 1202 VLZ pro >mixer. The electronic drum kit and the bass were recorded direct, and the >trumpet was recorded with a Shure SM58 mic. I used a wee bit of reverb in >the mix (Zoom RFX-300), and I used TDK SA60 and SA90 tape. I have found >this overall setup to be the best way to capture a human sounding >performance live in the studio. I probably like the Tascam 122 MkIII a tad >better, but the Sony is certainly great. > >Alex Cozac's enthusiasm for the Fuji ZII tapes has piqued my curiosity, and >I will use those that I recently bought for the next group recording >session. I want to thank Alex for his comments. > >Cheers to all! >Michael Yoder > > >On Saturday, January 7, 2006, at 02:45 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >> >>Hi Michael, >> >>Great post!! I guess your Tascam and Sony are in the studio and they get >>all the attention!! I must agree, I have had plenty of satisfaction from >>the Mexican UX-S - and will look out for the UX Pro. Did you get a good >>deal? Definitely - excellent in fact. As for the Fuji ZIIs - they are >>terrific type IIs - very fresh, annimated sound. Alex Cozac in Israel >>gets them for a good price and loves them. Most of all, this is one >>project your Nak can get it's teeth into. >> >>A good 2006 to you all Naktalkers as well. >> >>Marc > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 13:12:52 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:12:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassette decks Message-ID: Hi my dear Gra' The "Mains Purifier...never got it! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassette >decks >Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:28:32 -0000 > >Hi Alex > >Yes, I think they went into Receivership, in which case their bank would >have got your money! Bank's get first take on a company's assets. At the >time I bought a three types of their products - the mains purifier, three >of >their "virtual batteries" (they worked very well with my old Aiwa cassette >deck, giving the speeds much needed stability) and a pair of shielded >figure >eight mains leads. > >Which product did you order? > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 08 January 2006 03:22 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassette > > decks > > > > > > Hi Gra'! > > > > You wrote..., >One of these is an early > > "audio" mains conditioner from a company that was originally created to > > produce radar (Radar Developments.)> > > > > BTW...I ordered, from them...sent the payment trough my bank > > account, they > > received the money (My bank certificate that there in UK...the money was > > taken; but...NEVER...NEVER I get the product! > > > > Happens at least 15 or more years...after a while I read that the > > "Factory" > > close their business! > > > > Only as an curiosity history...! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 8 15:27:33 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:27:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape dubbing In-Reply-To: <20060108001848.95683.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060108001848.95683.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C12155.6010200@rcn.com> Depends on the decks involved. Essentially, the choice affects noise level getting into the recording. Choice #1 will minimize noise picked up in the interconnect but (slightly) maximize noise and distortion already present in the source. With choice #3, the reverse is true. Choice #2 is an in-between solution; doesn't necessarily have to be 50%, can be any position between #1 and #3. Ideal choice depends on the decks involved. Personally, I would use about 80%-90% PB output level with input recording level to match. -- Ron Bob Petrovich wrote: > What is the proper procedure when dubbing tapes? > > 1) set output on a playback deck to maximum, adjust recording volume on > recording deck. > > 2) set output on a playback deck to approx. 50% and adjust the > recording volume on recording deck > > > 3) set recording level to maximum and adjust playback level to low level > sufficient enough. > > Does it make any difference since in all three instances recording deck > VU meters show the same level? > > I tend to use #1 From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Sun Jan 8 15:51:26 2006 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:51:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200601081451.k08EpN6h018586@zxe.naks.com> Hi Alex, Well yes, 5 gallons might be a tad over the top. I will try searching in the UK, and there is a possibility of maybe importing a small quantity, but in the meantime I use the same procedure as you describe, with isopropyl alcohol. Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 08 January 2006 02:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? Hi Mark! Per example..., as happen to me here in Israel, exist a representative from such factory, however he import ONLY a can of 5 US gallons...such quantity it's "Insane"...so I continue cleaning with alcohol, cotton "Q Tip". barely damped. and after with an a dry one...my Dragon a year & half...continue working! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Mark Caton" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:24:28 -0000 > >Hmm, that Cleaner looks good. > >Anyone know if it's available outside the US? (e.g. UK). > >Regards, > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Kermit V. Gray >Sent: 06 January 2006 19:49 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? > >Hi Mike, > >Mike Douglas wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies on maximizing tape performance. Any > > recommendation for the best head cleaner? I'd like to get the best > > possible one I can get for use on a CR-7E, in case it might subjectively > > vary from deck to deck. -Mike > >I'd heartly recommend only HREF="http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/profs7headgu.html">American >Recorder S-721H Head/pinch roller cleaner. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 16:55:56 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:55:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? Message-ID: Hi Mark! Yes the same type of alcohol, I use also..and works since I begun 30 years earlier, no problems till today! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Mark Caton" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? >Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:51:26 -0000 > >Hi Alex, > >Well yes, 5 gallons might be a tad over the top. > >I will try searching in the UK, and there is a possibility of maybe >importing a small quantity, but in the meantime I use the same procedure as >you describe, with isopropyl alcohol. > >Mark >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Alex Cozac >Sent: 08 January 2006 02:55 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? > >Hi Mark! > >Per example..., as happen to me here in Israel, exist a representative from >such factory, however he import ONLY a can of 5 US gallons...such quantity >it's "Insane"...so I continue cleaning with alcohol, cotton "Q Tip". barely >damped. and after with an a dry one...my Dragon a year & half...continue >working! > >Greetings, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Mark Caton" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > >Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? > >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:24:28 -0000 > > > >Hmm, that Cleaner looks good. > > > >Anyone know if it's available outside the US? (e.g. UK). > > > >Regards, > > > >Mark > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf > >Of Kermit V. Gray > >Sent: 06 January 2006 19:49 > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? > > > >Hi Mike, > > > >Mike Douglas wrote: > > > Thanks for all the replies on maximizing tape performance. Any > > > recommendation for the best head cleaner? I'd like to get the best > > > possible one I can get for use on a CR-7E, in case it might >subjectively > > > vary from deck to deck. -Mike > > > >I'd heartly recommend only >HREF="http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/profs7headgu.html">American > >Recorder S-721H Head/pinch roller cleaner. > > > >-- > >Kermit Gray > >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at stager.com Sun Jan 8 18:50:00 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:50:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) In-Reply-To: <200601081110.k08B97TR017963@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601081110.k08B97TR017963@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060108122503.02948bc0@stager.com> Thanks, Alex. I forgot to mention this: It should be the FIRST thing you do: 1. Makes sure the heads are clean and demagnetized. Cleaning is simple: Using isopropyl alcohol, preferably 90% pure or better, and a cotton swab and gently wipe the heads clean. Also clean the pinch rollers and other parts along the tape path, while you're at it. You don't need an expensive head demagnetizer, but to keep the heads from erasing the highest frequencies on a tape - and they will if you don't occasionally demag the heads, it's a good idea to demagnetize the heads every few weeks. Make sure you cassette deck is TURNED OFF. If it's on the demagger will cause violent swings in the meters and possibly damage them. Turn on or plug in the demagger about 3 or 4 feet away from the machine and bring it to the heads very s l o w l y, then spend about 15 seconds in front of the left capstan - move the device up and down on each of the surfaces, almost but not touching them. Then 15 seconds each in front of the erase, record, play heads, and right capstan, then pull the demagger away slowly and shut it off when it is 3 - 4 ft. away from the machine. You can do the alignment without demagnetizing, but I would never do the job using an expensive alignment cassette without degaussing (same as demagnetizing) first for fear of damaging the fragile topmost frequencies. Incidentally, it's a good idea that, once you have finished the demagnetizing process, that you turn on the machine and wait about fifteen minutes before you do the bias and level adjustments. This is so the circuits are completely stabilized and give you the most accurate and consistent readings possible. ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems At 06:10 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >Bravo...Marc... Super Wise advice & and a very good and cheap one >Cheers, >ALEX! > > >From: Marc Stager > >Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) > >Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:12:49 -0500 > > > >Use the bias control to adjust for the most accurate sound. > >Cheap and simple calibration: ... From marc at stager.com Sun Jan 8 19:07:50 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:07:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy? In-Reply-To: <200601072046.k07KjVlt018974@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601072046.k07KjVlt018974@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060108125850.0294e160@stager.com> I've seen recommendations for the Quantegy 472 type II cassettes. How does this compare to the current Maxell and TDK stuff? While I prefer metal, and Sony Metal-ES is the gold standard against which all others are measured, my supply of ES is running low and I need to get some new tapes for my 582, MR-1 and newly acquired 682ZX. By the way, my 670ZX is currently at the dock of eBay, item # 5851413212 Any experience with Quantegy? Or any others I'm not familiar with? Any decent metal tape still available? Thanx, ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sun Jan 8 18:21:50 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:21:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record decks continues and Marcs biased advice and sleeping with your beloved Nak! Message-ID: Doh! Sorry Marc (South Africa) ascribing your pearls of wisdom to Alex! The last of the winter wine had 'my precious' brain fuddled. Of course it was you Marc and I love hearing your experience of the 48 series. You say they have an unusual presentation and as per Bala's amusing analogies to turntables and arm combinations and I am absolutely revelling in analogue sounds from the last 30 years plus. The soundtrack to the film Queen Magaret with The Beograd Choir, Lyra players from Crete teamed up with Turkish Sufi musicians, Joni Mitchell's Blue, Donovan singing 'Season of the Witch' :- Porgy & Bess original cast, Robin Wyatt, Vishwan Bhatt and son recorded playing ragas on Indian guitars ... Im in a sort of heaven here. How fortunate I am. I have a confession to make or is a claim ..... I maybe the saddest of nak geeks or thr most fortunate. My wife has been ill for the previous 4-5 days probably with exhaustion at having ensured everyone had a good Christmass and having worked hard to clear Christmass orders. So we have been sleeping apart as her sleep is easily disturbed and so I have also been listening on headphones as my den is next to the bedroom. On going to bed I confess I tucked the Nak under my arm and went to bed with it playing away ....... I have been sleeping with a Nak ....... how about that?! Do I get a medal or a sad bastard award as we oftimes say in Anglo Saxon. my wife is better now. Moving on from my fidelity or lack of it which I hope amuses or appalls you but still speaking of passions One explanation of the roots of the word music is "Musa Ka" which I learn translates from Old Egyptian to mean 'Moses listen'. Under the circumstances Moses was in at the time it sounds like good advice! I was thrilled to hear that years ago as when I play music I soon disappear to myself. hence my interest in recording my play so I can use other parts of myself to listen .... as we say 'objectively' but if the roots of the word do refer to Divine guidance then the love of music that lies at the back of our Nak passion is just because we are so greedy for more of that juice. Hmmm better stop in case I alienate someone. However Nak evangelism seems to be allowed. Music is fascinating so fascinating but sleeping with ones cassette recorder has proved to be great fun It would be good to make recordings Marc and I will but frankly so much of this old tape treasure trove is better than the radio at present, well with one exception. In the UK we have one radio station BBC Radio 3 that still broadcasts at "CD quality" (although what the reference point was before digital emerged escapes me) which means at 44kz or whatever the right term is ........ other BBC stations broadcast at lower quality. Over the years i have recorded loads of stuff from Radio 3 and recently I concentrate on Late Junction which I think is available on the web for those with adsl etc.... however I guess its not at 44 doo dahs on that set up . However it is almost achingly good live music ...... sometimes 3 tracks in a row some tracks 30 minutes long and live recordings....... with a Danish wife we are drawn to the cool Scandinavian musicians the show has a gentle bias for ....... sort of 21st century Oscar Petersen. I expect some of the UK Nakkers will listen to it too. To the other Marc (Stager) thanks for that complete breakdown on the use of the bias control ...... there is something unusual about the 481z and that is due to it having 3 heads but no switching between tape and source on the deck itself ....... I guess they were keeping the price low. I dont know if this confounds your advice ... I believe B&W are sending a photocopy of the users manual in the next week ........ with your input and that I should be able to get it sorted. I mostly have TDK cd'ing blanks to use for my recording plans. Its widely available hereabouts. I trust the heads are all sweet as its just serviced ... as some readers will be tired of hearing <:-) No one answered my earlier query which is interesting me ........ these old tapes of mine that have so much info on them, many recrded on my old full size Sony Portable < luggable would be more honest> TC152 ( I think) bought in 1975 ..... why on earth could the info be put on the tapes initially but never got off on playback until put on the Nak? Is it perhaps due to the record head set up and circuitry being better than the playback side? From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 20:18:48 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:18:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) Message-ID: Hi Marc! I'm now 62 years old, for more of 40 years I do 100% exactly what you advise me so wise...concerning to "Alignment of heads"...frankly I NEVER do it till today, as newer was necessary, all my acquired decks from Naks to others...sorry I never need to "Touch" or "Move"...as came from the factory. This particularly issue I never want to do & I never will do it. Also thank you very heart fully, for teach me to wait 15 minutes for "Stabilization" of all the circuits, I appreciated very...very much. Concerning again with "Degausses"...I own for near 3 decades the "Best on the World" one, the R.B.Annis which I acquired as a kit, (Meter included) exactly when the factory release the "Export" version 220 v.ac, that was near 3 decades ago, + the Akai one from my passed away Daddy together with his Akai Bulk Eraser R to R machine. Marc I will send you my digit photos of my current in use & owning degausses. Again, I appreciated so much your heart full advises! Be well always, ALEX! >From: Marc Stager >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) >Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:50:00 -0500 > >Thanks, Alex. > >I forgot to mention this: It should be the FIRST thing you do: > >1. Makes sure the heads are clean and demagnetized. > >Cleaning is simple: Using isopropyl alcohol, preferably 90% pure >or better, and a cotton swab and gently wipe the heads clean. >Also clean the pinch rollers and other parts along the tape >path, while you're at it. > >You don't need an expensive head demagnetizer, but to keep >the heads from erasing the highest frequencies on a tape - and >they will if you don't occasionally demag the heads, it's a good >idea to demagnetize the heads every few weeks. > >Make sure you cassette deck is TURNED OFF. If it's on the >demagger will cause violent swings in the meters and possibly >damage them. Turn on or plug in the demagger about 3 or 4 feet >away from the machine and bring it to the heads very s l o w l y, >then spend about 15 seconds in front of the left capstan - move >the device up and down on each of the surfaces, almost but not >touching them. Then 15 seconds each in front of the erase, record, >play heads, and right capstan, then pull the demagger away slowly >and shut it off when it is 3 - 4 ft. away from the machine. > >You can do the alignment without demagnetizing, but I would never >do the job using an expensive alignment cassette without degaussing >(same as demagnetizing) first for fear of damaging the fragile topmost >frequencies. > >Incidentally, it's a good idea that, once you have finished the >demagnetizing process, that you turn on the machine and wait about >fifteen minutes before you do the bias and level adjustments. This is so >the circuits are completely stabilized and give you the most accurate >and consistent readings possible. > >____________ Marc Stager >Stager Sound Systems > > > >At 06:10 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >>Bravo...Marc... Super Wise advice & and a very good and cheap one >>Cheers, >>ALEX! >> >> >From: Marc Stager >> >Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) >> >Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:12:49 -0500 >> > >> >Use the bias control to adjust for the most accurate sound. >> >Cheap and simple calibration: ... > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 8 20:23:38 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:23:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy? In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060108125850.0294e160@stager.com> References: <200601072046.k07KjVlt018974@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20060108125850.0294e160@stager.com> Message-ID: <43C166BA.1070809@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Marc, I prefer the Quantegy 472 type II cassettes over the Maxell, TDK or any metal cassette. Quantegy 472 has the lowest IMD I've ever measured in a Type II cassette, and it seems to have a more neutral balance and an open detailed sound. BUT one caveat: some resellers load it into mediocre shells, so it matters where you buy it. U.S. Recording and Tapes.com seem to load it into good shells. One metal cassette is still made, I believe it is SKC. I've not tried it as I don't favor metal cassettes. They seem to have lots of sizzle (hyped up bass and treble,) but higher distortion in the midrange. Also the higher MOL is of little practical benefit to me because I record such that levels do not exceed 0 dB when using Dolby. That said, the old THATs brand of metal cassettes were nice and I did use those on occasion. Marc Stager wrote: > I've seen recommendations for the Quantegy 472 type II > cassettes. > > How does this compare to the current Maxell and TDK stuff? > While I prefer metal, and Sony Metal-ES is the gold standard > against which all others are measured, my supply of ES is > running low and I need to get some new tapes for my 582, MR-1 > and newly acquired 682ZX. By the way, my 670ZX is currently > at the dock of eBay, item # 5851413212 > > Any experience with Quantegy? Or any others I'm not familiar > with? Any decent metal tape still available? > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 8 20:39:18 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:39:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape dubbing In-Reply-To: <20060108001848.95683.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060108001848.95683.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C16A66.7010201@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bob, My procedure is this: Consult owner's manual for both decks to see what they specify for nominal input and output levels. Adjust Deck 1 so that its output for a 400 cps tone recorded at 0 VU equals Deck 2's nominal input level specified in the manual of Deck 2. Adjust Deck 2's input fader so its VU meter reads 0 VU. You're ready to make music. If possible, double check Deck 1's performance by measuring its THD at the output level setting you end up with. If THD exceeds the magnitude specified in Deck 1's manual, you may have to vary from the settings resulting from the procedure. Also, if Deck 2's input fader setting is very low (near the bottom of the range), you may be overloading its input amplifier stages, especially on transients. Some experience by trial-and-error is inevitable before you've fine tuned levels, but so far I've never had a deck give me problems with the procedure above except those made by Uher, Bang & Olufsen, NEAL, Wollensak, or the plethora of cheapie battery-powered mono cassettes, recordable Walkman-clones, or boomboxes. But I assume you're not using the latter! Enjoy the music! Bob Petrovich wrote: > What is the proper procedure when dubbing tapes? > > 1) set output on a playback deck to maximum, adjust recording volume on > recording deck. > > 2) set output on a playback deck to approx. 50% and adjust the > recording volume on recording deck > > > 3) set recording level to maximum and adjust playback level to low level > sufficient enough. > > Does it make any difference since in all three instances recording deck > VU meters show the same level? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From CKDawson at cableone.net Sun Jan 8 20:01:24 2006 From: CKDawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:01:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Message-ID: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> Hi Ross, Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only hard-core 2-head holdouts here! Of course they have other decks but I have only the 600. It's currently waiting in the queue at ESLabs ( I saw your posts earlier Jeff, Are we there yet? ) for a makeover that I hope will keep it healthy for many more years. I like the mid range emphasis, the look, most everything about the 600. All the rest of my system is from the same era except the turntable and I consider them a fine match. You have a greater sense of adventure than I do if you are willing to open yours up and take a shot at repairing the problem. Here's hoping you are successful! Welcome to the Forum! Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Jan 8 21:00:40 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:00:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy? In-Reply-To: <43C166BA.1070809@woods-and-waters.com> References: <200601072046.k07KjVlt018974@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20060108125850.0294e160@stager.com> <43C166BA.1070809@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43C16F68.1030409@yahoo.ca> tapes.com doesn't seem to have the 472. They just have TDK and Maxell audio cassettes. Antoine Deschênes Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hi Marc, > > I prefer the Quantegy 472 type II cassettes over the Maxell, TDK or > any metal cassette. Quantegy 472 has the lowest IMD I've ever measured > in a Type II cassette, and it seems to have a more neutral balance and > an open detailed sound. BUT one caveat: some resellers load it into > mediocre shells, so it matters where you buy it. U.S. Recording and > Tapes.com seem to load it into good shells. > > One metal cassette is still made, I believe it is SKC. I've not tried > it as I don't favor metal cassettes. They seem to have lots of sizzle > (hyped up bass and treble,) but higher distortion in the midrange. > Also the higher MOL is of little practical benefit to me because I > record such that levels do not exceed 0 dB when using Dolby. That > said, the old THATs brand of metal cassettes were nice and I did use > those on occasion. > > Marc Stager wrote: >> I've seen recommendations for the Quantegy 472 type II >> cassettes. >> >> How does this compare to the current Maxell and TDK stuff? >> While I prefer metal, and Sony Metal-ES is the gold standard >> against which all others are measured, my supply of ES is >> running low and I need to get some new tapes for my 582, MR-1 >> and newly acquired 682ZX. By the way, my 670ZX is currently >> at the dock of eBay, item # 5851413212 >> >> Any experience with Quantegy? Or any others I'm not familiar >> with? Any decent metal tape still available? >> > From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sun Jan 8 21:36:58 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:36:58 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] 22 Nakamichis .. Message-ID: <004001c61493$45f574e0$0201a8c0@lan> Bala, How do you keep them all going??... what is your usage regime to ensure they don't seize up?.. Tx, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 8 22:16:10 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:16:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders Message-ID: <43C1811A.1090903@woods-and-waters.com> Hello fellow Nakkers, Because the topic of tape recorder cleaning comes up often, I've put a new white paper on the topic on my web site. Enjoy! http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 8 22:22:49 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:22:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> References: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <43C182A9.9060204@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Keith, Keith Dawson wrote: > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe 600 series. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Sun Jan 8 21:44:45 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:44:45 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 References: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <00d401c61494$5bee7f70$292999de@tec> Hi Keith, Ross, Bala, Kermit et al: NAK 600 Please don't forget me and my deck as well, and Ross and others, my service manual is uploaded onto the Norwegian website for your use. Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Dawson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Hi Ross, Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only hard-core 2-head holdouts here! Of course they have other decks but I have only the 600. It's currently waiting in the queue at ESLabs ( I saw your posts earlier Jeff, Are we there yet? ) for a makeover that I hope will keep it healthy for many more years. I like the mid range emphasis, the look, most everything about the 600. All the rest of my system is from the same era except the turntable and I consider them a fine match. You have a greater sense of adventure than I do if you are willing to open yours up and take a shot at repairing the problem. Here's hoping you are successful! Welcome to the Forum! Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 8 22:32:18 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:32:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record decks continues and Marcs biased advice and sleeping with your beloved Nak! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C184E2.3090808@woods-and-waters.com> Hey there, fellow Nakaphile earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > ... I maybe the saddest of nak geeks or th[e] most fortunate. ... > On going to bed I confess I tucked the > Nak under my arm and went to bed with it playing away ....... I have > been sleeping with a Nak ....... how about that?! Do I get a medal or a > sad bastard award as we oftimes say in Anglo Saxon. my wife is better now. Nah, man, this is just passion for great sound being exercised. You're not alone. I've sometimes fallen asleep with the gentle strains of Vivaldi woodwind concertos or Beethoven's 6th Symphony emanating from my AKG K240 headphones connected to one of my Nak 550. When I was recovering from neurosurgery in 2002, the 550 was my constant bedside companion for months. Good to hear your wife is feeling better. > No one answered my earlier query which is interesting me ........ these > old tapes of mine that have so much info on them, many recrded on my old > full size Sony Portable < luggable would be more honest> TC152 ( I > think) bought in 1975 ..... why on earth could the info be put on the > tapes initially but never got off on playback until put on the Nak? Is > it perhaps due to the record head set up and circuitry being better than > the playback side? This is simple: Nakamichi recorders excel at reproducing tapes made on other recorders. Some models of Nakamichi adjust their head azimuth automatically, ensuring flawless reproduction of any cassette made on any brand recorder. This is why Nakamichi cassette decks are favored by many sound archivists; the Dragon especially so. The reason the info could be put on the tapes initially, but never gotten off on playback until played on your Nakamichi speaks volumes about the reproduce quality of the other (non-Nak) recorder. It's simply inferior. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Jan 9 00:19:32 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:19:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record decks continues and Marcs biased advice and sleeping with your beloved Nak! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003b01c614a9$fc77b550$7300a8c0@Shaun> ..... I have been sleeping with a Nak ....... how about that?! Do I get a medal or a sad bastard award as we oftimes say in Anglo Saxon. my wife is better now. Well, I don't see anything unusual in that! In the late 70's (after my then wife had made off with a friend!) I used to do a lot of home brewing, a hobby I used to share with a lodger who was a university student (helped pay the bills and reduced the cost of home entertaining!). I finally got fed up with waking up at 2/3am and crawling off to bed frozen stiff, so I set myself up with a polypin (the plastic containers inside a box of country wine which I used to get from my local off-licence) full of home brew beer and my old Aiwa AD1300 next to my bed. That way I could take my last half pint or so in the comfort of my bed and settle down with my then favourite cassette of "Wish You Were Here". My Koss Pro 4AA (I think) headphones were a tad bulky and soon replaced with Sennheiser HD420. A time clock would ensure that player and lights were extinguished after 2.00pm, so as not to be disturbed by their presence later on. Without fail, every night I would only ever get half way through a tape before sinking into oblivion, only occasionally being aroused briefly by the click at the end of the cassette. Shaun From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 01:35:04 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:35:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders In-Reply-To: <43C1811A.1090903@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060109003504.70356.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Kermit Buddy, Wonderful job! Regards Bala 79 Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hello fellow Nakkers, Because the topic of tape recorder cleaning comes up often, I've put a new white paper on the topic on my web site. Enjoy! http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Jan 9 02:52:33 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:52:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: <200601062116.k06LGkEp014554@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Would love to see this article in the February issue of Hi-Fi World, REEL LIVING "Thanks to the specialists at Bowers & Wilkins Ltd., Nakamichi cassette decks will run and run, says David Price." but we don't get it over here in the USA where I live and the subscription is pretty high $60UK = $80US ? Anyway, if anyone has the issue and wants to copy the article and post it that would be really great. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Nice article in this month’s edition, with a 3 page article on owning and servicing old Naks, with a strong link and interview with Bowers&Wilkins. Also some pictures of a 600, restored and on the bench. £3.60 of our british pounds. Mark From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 03:14:46 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:14:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060109021446.86326.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I used to be a religious reader of this mag, partly also thanks to their DIY section. Have two shelves of my book cupboard just for their issues. But they seem to be beating about the same bush - Garrard, Leak, JA Mitchell, Naim, Linn etc.. then back again. And for international measures, we have the Yamaha 1000 speakers, Japanese Reel to reel and cassette machines. I get so worked up when I how they talk about things like Leak tuners, and how Quad invented hi-fi. Frank McIntosh, Saul Marantz and Homer Scott never went to school maybe. The day when they acknowledge these annals of audio also, along with the two dozen more I have not mentioned and give a more balanced perspective of audio, I will buy the magazines with more religious fever. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: Would love to see this article in the February issue of Hi-Fi World, REEL LIVING "Thanks to the specialists at Bowers & Wilkins Ltd., Nakamichi cassette decks will run and run, says David Price." but we don't get it over here in the USA where I live and the subscription is pretty high $60UK = $80US ? Anyway, if anyone has the issue and wants to copy the article and post it that would be really great. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Nice article in this month’s edition, with a 3 page article on owning and servicing old Naks, with a strong link and interview with Bowers&Wilkins. Also some pictures of a 600, restored and on the bench. £3.60 of our british pounds. Mark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? 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Glad to see another show up on the Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only hard-core 2-head holdouts here! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006 From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Jan 9 04:30:51 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:30:51 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders In-Reply-To: <20060109003504.70356.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060109003504.70356.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1d72d94d5d18a190a41e0ff1152b2f09@zoomnet.com.au> Kermit Thanks for putting up the white paper on cleaning but unfortunately the download cannot be opened on my eMac. Acrobat says the file is damaged and cannot be repaired. Tried twice. Can you check you end please? David On 09/01/2006, at 10:35 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hey Kermit Buddy, >     >            Wonderful job! > > Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: >> >> Because the topic of tape recorder cleaning comes up often, I've put a >> new white paper on the topic on my web site. Enjoy! >> >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/ >> cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >> USA >> 816-918-5058 cellphone >> 913-422-0957 business >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Reg! ister your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or > less========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1872 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Jan 9 04:36:50 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:36:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 problem Message-ID: I am still working on my 582 level settings problem which Matyas and Kannas kindly gave useful advice. (Left levels lower than the right.) Matyas referred to the inductor in the bias oscillator as one possibility. It is listed as 1.4mH. I can source one which is 1.5mH. Can anyone advise if this would be suitable? The problem may be due to head alignment though. I have a 581 which has a similar imbalance. Would a slight tilt on the erase head do this? David From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 9 04:45:07 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:45:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders Message-ID: Bravo Kermit! I really hope...that all our Nakkers fans, will learn from your post...I added to "My Favorites"...to remember me when I will be older 100% exactly how to do it 500% right! Our Lord will Bless you for EVER!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders >Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:16:10 -0600 > >Hello fellow Nakkers, > >Because the topic of tape recorder cleaning comes up often, I've put a new >white paper on the topic on my web site. Enjoy! > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 06:20:16 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:20:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 582 problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060109052016.75650.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had never seen an Inductor going bad in a Nak - Generally check capacitors in the circuite around record amp - bias trap area. You need a good DMM with capacitor measuring to check these caps. Good chance record head alignment. Since Nak heads are floating in two different axis - you need their gauges and alignment tapes to correctly align. If you can get some source to do the alignment in Australia - better kannan David Thompson wrote: I am still working on my 582 level settings problem which Matyas and Kannas kindly gave useful advice. (Left levels lower than the right.) Matyas referred to the inductor in the bias oscillator as one possibility. It is listed as 1.4mH. I can source one which is 1.5mH. Can anyone advise if this would be suitable? The problem may be due to head alignment though. I have a 581 which has a similar imbalance. Would a slight tilt on the erase head do this? David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rossnkiely at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 03:24:04 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:24:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> References: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <6e1618b40601081824s1e6e0399s218278a1c1e8e66@mail.gmail.com> On the subject of Older eqipment. My home system consists of a Mcintosh 2505 Amp, Mcintosh C-28 Preamp, Pioneer Tx-900 Tuner, 4- EPI(epicure) 4' high speaker Towers, Revox A-77 reel to reel tape machine, and last but not least, Nakamichi 600(black). I used to also have a small personal 4trk recording studio in my house.Alas, the only remains of that are an Otari MX-5050 1/4" 4trk. and a Rane EQ. which I may incorporate into my above home system someday. I'm really looking forward to receiving my used 600(silver) purchased from e-bay. Should be interesting to see the "guts" of a legend up close and personal!! Ross. On 1/8/06, Keith Dawson wrote: > > Hi Ross, > > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! > Of course they have other decks but I have only the 600. It's > currently waiting in the queue at ESLabs ( I saw your posts earlier Jeff, > Are we there yet? ) for a makeover that I hope will keep it healthy for many > more years. I like the mid range emphasis, the look, most everything about > the 600. All the rest of my system is from the same era except the turntable > and I consider them a fine match. > You have a greater sense of adventure than I do if you are willing to > open yours up and take a shot at repairing the problem. Here's hoping you > are successful! > > Welcome to the Forum! > > Keith > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 9 11:03:50 2006 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:03:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: <20060109021446.86326.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004b01c61503$fd1477a0$76b587d9@oemcomputer> Bala Your point is well made but, in fairness, one has to realise that most of the guys writing there are fairly young and won't have had much exposure to early McIntosh, high end Marantz or Scott as they were not sold in great numbers in the UK. When I took my Eico to Haden Boardman, generally recognised as an "expert" with vintage amps in the UK, he'd never heard of Eico, let alone seen one of their amps. (However, he did recognise the circuit straight away as being a an adaptation of an early English amplifier design.) Similarly, there are a number of very nice speakers, turentables and amps from Australia, France, Italy, Germany and other parts of Wester and East Europe, and probably elswhere in the World, that get missed out, too, because they are never landed on these shores unless ik,ported by USAF servicemen! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 09 January 2006 02:15 To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK I used to be a religious reader of this mag, partly also thanks to their DIY section. Have two shelves of my book cupboard just for their issues. But they seem to be beating about the same bush - Garrard, Leak, JA Mitchell, Naim, Linn etc.. then back again. And for international measures, we have the Yamaha 1000 speakers, Japanese Reel to reel and cassette machines. I get so worked up when I how they talk about things like Leak tuners, and how Quad invented hi-fi. Frank McIntosh, Saul Marantz and Homer Scott never went to school maybe. The day when they acknowledge these annals of audio also, along with the two dozen more I have not mentioned and give a more balanced perspective of audio, I will buy the magazines with more religious fever. Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Jan 9 11:13:38 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:13:38 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] hard-core 2-head holdouts /600 fan club Message-ID: <003801c61505$5c378500$0201a8c0@lan> Hey Guy's!.. don't forget me....I am as about as hardcore with respect to two head Naks as you'll ever get!!!.. the most under appreciated branch of Nakdom!. Some brilliant machines to be had quietly down here whilst the glory hunters are off chasing Dragons and touting at CR-7's! :o) . Any two head using a Nakamichi mechanism has a performance that appears to be greater than the sum of the parts....'scuse my one eyedness here. ( not that I would mind a CR-7 though, and use a ZX-7 as my main recording deck, in defence of three headers) My own machine library includes in approx chronological order, a 500, 600, 600II, 580, 480Z, LX3, plus several sundry Sankyo decks, which though still good, lack the magic of the older machines. The 600 needs some electronics work now.. no longer records and has some intermittent distortion on PB... and the 500 died recently when I went to record something, which was a surprise and major 'bummer' to put it bluntly!! as it played a tape perfectly the night before!!.. so that has to go to a techo's as well as soon as the service manual arrives. Fortunately the remainder are in good working order and regularly used for play back at least, ( and should record). All have their own signature, which adds to the enjoyment, and no different to trying different arm/cartridge combinations on a turntable just in case I am accused of listening to the machine and not the music!. My personal favourites are the 600II and 580, FWIW. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 9 11:41:58 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:41:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] hard-core 2-head holdouts /600 fan club In-Reply-To: <003801c61505$5c378500$0201a8c0@lan> References: <003801c61505$5c378500$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <14634.212.78.164.66.1136803318.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hey, don't forget about me! While at first I was a fan of the classic 80's Naks (all ZX decks, LX, ZXE and ZXL) I'm now also very fascinated by the the 70's decks... I own a 1000, 500, 550, 250 and 600 and also 3 OEM decks from the 70's: 2 ELAC decks (CD500 and a CD400) and a Harman Kardon HK-1000! The ELAC decks are internally a mix of the 550/250/350, amazing to see the parts/boards they have in common! What struck me most is the sound quality when i got my first (working) 70's Nak a 500! The 250 i have for about 2 months is also a remarkable deck. Wouter > Hey Guy's!.. don't forget me....I am as about as hardcore with respect to > two head Naks as you'll ever get!!!.. the most under appreciated branch of > Nakdom!. From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Mon Jan 9 12:21:55 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:21:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <200601090751.k097otbL022587@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: For about 3 years, I have owned the 'Nak of turntables', a J.A. Michell Orbe SE with SME series V titanium tonearm. I hate to see this go but due to some $-trouble I am forced now to start looking for a new home for my baby. I will gladly trade in another good turntable, and/or a ZXE/ZXL/CR-7/Dragon. She's in very good condition (of course), comes with the Michell QC power supply. Drop me a line when interested; best regards, pats. From jmcalli at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 13:31:28 2006 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:31:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060109123128.30817.qmail@web30609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Interesting. I thought I owned the "Nak of turntables." Mine is made by Nakamichi. James --- "Dr. Dub" wrote: > For about 3 years, I have owned the 'Nak of > turntables', a J.A. Michell Orbe > SE with SME series V titanium tonearm. I hate to see > this go but due to some > $-trouble I am forced now to start looking for a new > home for my baby. I > will gladly trade in another good turntable, and/or > a ZXE/ZXL/CR-7/Dragon. > She's in very good condition (of course), comes with > the Michell QC power > supply. Drop me a line when interested; best > regards, pats. > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 9 13:53:58 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:53:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak of turntables Message-ID: Hi James! WHICH...the TT-1000 or Dragon? Lovely & very fancy both!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: James McAllister >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak of turntables >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:31:28 -0800 (PST) > >Interesting. I thought I owned the "Nak of >turntables." Mine is made by Nakamichi. > >James > >--- "Dr. Dub" wrote: > > > For about 3 years, I have owned the 'Nak of > > turntables', a J.A. Michell Orbe > > SE with SME series V titanium tonearm. I hate to see > > this go but due to some > > $-trouble I am forced now to start looking for a new > > home for my baby. I > > will gladly trade in another good turntable, and/or > > a ZXE/ZXL/CR-7/Dragon. > > She's in very good condition (of course), comes with > > the Michell QC power > > supply. Drop me a line when interested; best > > regards, pats. > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmcalli at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 14:41:07 2006 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:41:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060109134107.83559.qmail@web30613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Alex. I have a Dragon-CT. James --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi James! > > WHICH...the TT-1000 or Dragon? > > Lovely & very fancy both!!! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: James McAllister > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak of turntables > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:31:28 -0800 (PST) > > > >Interesting. I thought I owned the "Nak of > >turntables." Mine is made by Nakamichi. > > > >James > > > >--- "Dr. Dub" wrote: > > > > > For about 3 years, I have owned the 'Nak of > > > turntables', a J.A. Michell Orbe > > > SE with SME series V titanium tonearm. I hate to > see > > > this go but due to some > > > $-trouble I am forced now to start looking for a > new > > > home for my baby. I > > > will gladly trade in another good turntable, > and/or > > > a ZXE/ZXL/CR-7/Dragon. > > > She's in very good condition (of course), comes > with > > > the Michell QC power > > > supply. Drop me a line when interested; best > > > regards, pats. > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From smbrandt at earthlink.net Mon Jan 9 11:02:27 2006 From: smbrandt at earthlink.net (Stephen Brandt) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 05:02:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] item# 5849745821, Message-ID: Hello Check this Nak out item# 5849745821 on ebay, real nice machine! Thanks Steve From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 9 15:40:07 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:40:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak of turntables Message-ID: Hi James! Lovely..which tone arm you selected + cartridge? Enjoy such unique table! Greetings, ALEX! >From: James McAllister >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak of turntables >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:41:07 -0800 (PST) > >Hi, Alex. > >I have a Dragon-CT. > >James > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hi James! > > > > WHICH...the TT-1000 or Dragon? > > > > Lovely & very fancy both!!! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: James McAllister > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak of turntables > > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:31:28 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Interesting. I thought I owned the "Nak of > > >turntables." Mine is made by Nakamichi. > > > > > >James > > > > > >--- "Dr. Dub" wrote: > > > > > > > For about 3 years, I have owned the 'Nak of > > > > turntables', a J.A. Michell Orbe > > > > SE with SME series V titanium tonearm. I hate to > > see > > > > this go but due to some > > > > $-trouble I am forced now to start looking for a > > new > > > > home for my baby. I > > > > will gladly trade in another good turntable, > > and/or > > > > a ZXE/ZXL/CR-7/Dragon. > > > > She's in very good condition (of course), comes > > with > > > > the Michell QC power > > > > supply. Drop me a line when interested; best > > > > regards, pats. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmcalli at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 16:02:47 2006 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:02:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060109150247.29685.qmail@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex, It's packed away in its little box since I moved into my "new" home. I have two Nakamichi tone arms for it, which interchange quickly. One tone arm has a Shure V15 Type II cartridge mounted on it and the other arm has a very expensive cartridge, and a special module (can't remember the name right now - getting old) must be used with it. I used the Shure to play most recordings and I used the more expensive cartridge to make tapes on my Dragon cassette deck. I bought all my Nakamichi stuff new in 1984-85 when I was stationed in Japan. I will leave instructions to my estate to send my turntable to you when I die. I'm almost deaf, so maybe I should just send it to you now ;-). My kids don't seem to be interested in my Hi-Fi gear. They have their I-pods and their computers with sound cards, CD players, etc. I hope Sharon pulls through his crisis. Looks pretty grim though. James --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi James! > > Lovely..which tone arm you selected + cartridge? > > Enjoy such unique table! > > Greetings, > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: James McAllister > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak of turntables > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:41:07 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi, Alex. > > > >I have a Dragon-CT. > > > >James > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Hi James! > > > > > > WHICH...the TT-1000 or Dragon? > > > > > > Lovely & very fancy both!!! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: James McAllister > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak of turntables > > > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:31:28 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > >Interesting. I thought I owned the "Nak of > > > >turntables." Mine is made by Nakamichi. > > > > > > > >James > > > > > > > >--- "Dr. Dub" wrote: > > > > > > > > > For about 3 years, I have owned the 'Nak of > > > > > turntables', a J.A. Michell Orbe > > > > > SE with SME series V titanium tonearm. I > hate to > > > see > > > > > this go but due to some > > > > > $-trouble I am forced now to start looking > for a > > > new > > > > > home for my baby. I > > > > > will gladly trade in another good turntable, > > > and/or > > > > > a ZXE/ZXL/CR-7/Dragon. > > > > > She's in very good condition (of course), > comes > > > with > > > > > the Michell QC power > > > > > supply. Drop me a line when interested; best > > > > > regards, pats. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 16:06:41 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:06:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: <004b01c61503$fd1477a0$76b587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060109150641.71127.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, Whilst young, these guys are professional audio journalists who should have some history. Also, while I talked about the past, even today, many great companies(think Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VPI, Jeff-Rowland et. ) still turn out great hi end gear. Why are they not talked about? Many of the popular tubes (like the 300B, KT series) were invented in USA, alongside famous circuit topologies. But all I ever hear is how the British have shaped hi-fi. The thing that really cheeses me off, is how Hi-Fi world puts the Garrard 401 on the golden throne while throwing a cursory remark that the Thorens TD124/II is 'very good'. Having heard both, on several occasions, I can make a safe bet that the Thorens will win the Garrard by a wide margin. They also do similiar uglies to Leak tuners. Has David Price ever listened to a McIntosh MR71? Regards Bala Tanya Nelson wrote: Bala Your point is well made but, in fairness, one has to realise that most of the guys writing there are fairly young and won't have had much exposure to early McIntosh, high end Marantz or Scott as they were not sold in great numbers in the UK. When I took my Eico to Haden Boardman, generally recognised as an "expert" with vintage amps in the UK, he'd never heard of Eico, let alone seen one of their amps. (However, he did recognise the circuit straight away as being a an adaptation of an early English amplifier design.) Similarly, there are a number of very nice speakers, turentables and amps from Australia, France, Italy, Germany and other parts of Wester and East Europe, and probably elswhere in the World, that get missed out, too, because they are never landed on these shores unless ik,ported by USAF servicemen! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 09 January 2006 02:15 To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK I used to be a religious reader of this mag, partly also thanks to their DIY section. Have two shelves of my book cupboard just for their issues. But they seem to be beating about the same bush - Garrard, Leak, JA Mitchell, Naim, Linn etc.. then back again. And for international measures, we have the Yamaha 1000 speakers, Japanese Reel to reel and cassette machines. I get so worked up when I how they talk about things like Leak tuners, and how Quad invented hi-fi. Frank McIntosh, Saul Marantz and Homer Scott never went to school maybe. The day when they acknowledge these annals of audio also, along with the two dozen more I have not mentioned and give a more balanced perspective of audio, I will buy the magazines with more religious fever. Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craig.jensen at techrizon.com Mon Jan 9 15:58:46 2006 From: craig.jensen at techrizon.com (Jensen, Craig L) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:58:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Message-ID: <33E1632743909749B6FB10ED54410DA50972C9@corpx2.telosok.com> Hi Keith and Kermit You have another 600/600II fan in Southwest Oklahoma. I currently have 3 600IIs and 2 600s. Thanks to Kermit, I have been able to keep them running. They are a little challenging to work on, but when they are resurrected, the sound is wonderful. The help in this forum is fantastic. Now I'm on the search for a 550 that hasn't been destroyed. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:23 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Hi Keith, Keith Dawson wrote: > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe 600 series. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rossnkiely at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 18:44:42 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:44:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] hard-core 2-head holdouts /600 fan club In-Reply-To: <14634.212.78.164.66.1136803318.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <003801c61505$5c378500$0201a8c0@lan> <14634.212.78.164.66.1136803318.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <6e1618b40601090944q5069a420p33a7fe8032c21e85@mail.gmail.com> Well I guess if they can iclude a newbie from Canada in the Two Headed race, Wouter, we certainly need your support. Long live the 600!! Ross. On 1/9/06, Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hey, don't forget about me! > While at first I was a fan of the classic 80's Naks (all ZX decks, LX, ZXE > and ZXL) I'm now also very fascinated by the the 70's decks... > I own a 1000, 500, 550, 250 and 600 and also 3 OEM decks from the 70's: 2 > ELAC decks (CD500 and a CD400) and a Harman Kardon HK-1000! The ELAC decks > are internally a mix of the 550/250/350, amazing to see the parts/boards > they have in common! > > What struck me most is the sound quality when i got my first (working) > 70's Nak a 500! The 250 i have for about 2 months is also a remarkable > deck. > > Wouter > > > > Hey Guy's!.. don't forget me....I am as about as hardcore with respect > to > > two head Naks as you'll ever get!!!.. the most under appreciated branch > of > > Nakdom!. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The help in this forum is fantastic. > > Now I'm on the search for a 550 that hasn't been destroyed. > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:23 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 > > Hi Keith, > > Keith Dawson wrote: > > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the > > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only > > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! > > I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" > that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At > the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel > slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these > older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly > Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have > only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's > slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. > > I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be > repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In > truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent > anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe > 600 series. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gray) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:41:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders In-Reply-To: <1d72d94d5d18a190a41e0ff1152b2f09@zoomnet.com.au> References: <20060109003504.70356.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1d72d94d5d18a190a41e0ff1152b2f09@zoomnet.com.au> Message-ID: <43C2BC83.50301@woods-and-waters.com> Hi David, David Thompson wrote: > Kermit > > Thanks for putting up the white paper on cleaning but unfortunately the > download cannot be opened on my eMac. Acrobat says the file is damaged > and cannot be repaired. Tried twice. Can you check you end please? Thanks for the notification! I uploaded the PDF again, then downloaded it onto my older-style iMac, which is similar to your eMac (smaller screen and slower CPU). The PDF opened without problems with Acrobat Reader 5.0. But let me know if you still have trouble with it! > On 09/01/2006, at 10:35 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hey Kermit Buddy, > > Wonderful job! > > Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > */"Kermit V. Gray" /* wrote: > > > Because the topic of tape recorder cleaning comes up often, I've > put a > new white paper on the topic on my web site. Enjoy! > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jan 9 20:49:59 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:49:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <6e1618b40601081824s1e6e0399s218278a1c1e8e66@mail.gmail.com> References: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> <6e1618b40601081824s1e6e0399s218278a1c1e8e66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C2BE67.6000409@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ross! Ross Kiely wrote: > On the subject of Older eqipment. My home system consists of a Mcintosh > 2505 Amp, Mcintosh C-28 Preamp, Pioneer Tx-900 Tuner, 4- EPI(epicure) > 4' high speaker Towers, Revox A-77 reel to reel tape machine, and last > but not least, Nakamichi 600(black). Oh, nice memories you're bringing back. I used to have six Revox A77s two PR99 and two B77, but I literally wore out every one of the A77 and PR99, and now havce only one B77. Three of the A77s had my input amp and play amp mods to make them sound cleaner. Never did get their brakes to work well, though. The McIntosh C28 preamp is alegend. Never let it go! I was trying to sell a high-end preamp made with nuvistors (adapted from a studio preamp that was selling well) for home stereos back in the 1970s, but the C28 beat it in the marketplace handily. It's hard to beat the C28! You have a great rig there! > I used to also have a small personal 4trk recording studio in my > house.Alas, the only remains of that are an Otari MX-5050 1/4" 4trk. and > a Rane EQ. which I may incorporate into my above home system someday. Oh wow oh wow man, I'd love to talk you out of your Otari MX-5050. I've been wanting one for my studio for some time but I always get outbid on eBay. > I'm really looking forward to receiving my used 600(silver) purchased > from e-bay. Should be interesting to see the "guts" of a legend up close > and personal!! Ross. You'll enjoy getting Nak guts all over your hands. (Laughing.) -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 9 21:02:11 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:02:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: <20060109150641.71127.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009601c61557$93d844c0$76b587d9@oemcomputer> Fair points, Bala, altho' I do recall seeing one of the Hi Fi World journalists did rate the Thorens 124 ABOVE the Garrards in one article - at least, they said it was probably more "accurate", although they said the Garrard's offered better bass. There again, all of them completely omit to mention the great US turntable of that time made by Fairchild, or the Swiss made Goldring Lencos GL88 and GL99, which some would argue are at least as good as the Garrards. (Personally, I prefer the Lenco design over the Thorens any day.) Indeed, Stephen Sank used to maintain the Fairchild used in the radio stations, with 33.3, 45 and 78 rpm was a far better TT than all the rest put together! As for tuners ... well, they do miss out on some good ones. Of course, the Leak's are amazing, especially given their age. They are detailed, very revealing (you can play "spot the microphone type"!) and they reproduce the tonal colours of instruments wonderfully. (I have several tuners and my mono Leak is my favourite, even over a Sony ST5950SD, which also gets a mention in Hi Fi World, but I knew about it well before they did - it's very good but too heavy on the higher spectrum), the much lauded Quad FM4 (nice tuner for falling asleep to ...) and my other favourite (I have two!), the Sugden T28. The Suggie is, I reckon, one of the bargains in hi fi on the 2nd hand market. Usually much cheaper than a Leak but it sounds very much like a top of the line Naim ... but it doesn't get a mention in Hi Fi World ... and it's a BRITISH tuner, too!! But you won't see any mention of H J Scott, Dynaco/kit, or Eico tuners of the same period as the Leak's. There's not much mention of some of the other "great" British names of that time, either, like Radford or Armstrong. Of course, those who know, already pay big bucks for the Radfords, but the Armstrongs are, and always were, the Cinderella's of that age in British hi fi. But it seems to me that many of these guys writing in the hi fi magazines are/were hi fi enthusiats/retailers/designers ever before they became journalists. I'd bet most of them never even attended a school of journalism and got their jobs on the merit of their ability to write and their specialist knowledge, not their complete knowledge or any learning about how to conduct research ... I mean, it seems to me they rarely bother to go out to LOOK for products, they just wait for them to come to them! So, if a maker doesn't want his product to be reviewed in a magazine all he needs to do is not bother to tell the journalist that it exists! (After all, not all of them WOULD want to have their product reviewed, not because it it's rubbish but because one bad and biased review can kill a product stone dead just as one biased good one can create a cult status that is quite undeserved. Remember the Pioneer A400? What a load hype and codswallop was written about that so-called "giant killer". If they were any better than the crop of Rotel, Marantz, Sony, Technics, etc, around at the time, it would have been only a smidgen better, but to my ear ... frankly, I didn't like the amp at all.) These these hi fi journalists get a very narrow perspective on their world. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 09 January 2006 15:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Hi Graham, Whilst young, these guys are professional audio journalists who should have some history. Also, while I talked about the past, even today, many great companies(think Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VPI, Jeff-Rowland et. ) still turn out great hi end gear. Why are they not talked about? Many of the popular tubes (like the 300B, KT series) were invented in USA, alongside famous circuit topologies. But all I ever hear is how the British have shaped hi-fi. The thing that really cheeses me off, is how Hi-Fi world puts the Garrard 401 on the golden throne while throwing a cursory remark that the Thorens TD124/II is 'very good'. 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Does > anyone have an electronic copy they can email > to me or have a handle on a site where I can > download it from? > > TIA, > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Jan 9 21:34:24 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:34:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <43C2BE67.6000409@woods-and-waters.com> References: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> <6e1618b40601081824s1e6e0399s218278a1c1e8e66@mail.gmail.com> <43C2BE67.6000409@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43C2C8D0.7000608@yahoo.ca> And if I tell what's in my systems I'm gonna see a lot of question marks in your eyes... System 1: h/k hk670 Twin Powered receiver Nak BX-2 tape deck Sony CDP-295 cd player Technics SL-B200 turntable(T4P) -- Grado Prestige Black cart. Toshiba PC-G22 tape deck Hitachi Canada HFC-271 speakers System 2: Toshiba SB-M22 amp Toshiba ST-U22 tuner Sony CDP-XE300 cd player Superscope CD-330 tape deck Yorkville Traynor CS-1012H speakers Others: Uher 2200 Report IC R2R 2x EICO HF-12 (Waiting for rebuild) EICO HFT-90 (Waiting for rebuild / adj.) A cheapo Hitachi FT-??? tuner. DIY speakers -- coming soon! Sony PlayStation SCPH-1001(need new transport) cd player Antoine Deschênes Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hi Ross! > > Ross Kiely wrote: >> On the subject of Older eqipment. My home system consists of a >> Mcintosh 2505 Amp, Mcintosh C-28 Preamp, Pioneer Tx-900 Tuner, 4- >> EPI(epicure) 4' high speaker Towers, Revox A-77 reel to reel tape >> machine, and last but not least, Nakamichi 600(black). > Oh, nice memories you're bringing back. I used to have six Revox A77s > two PR99 and two B77, but I literally wore out every one of the A77 > and PR99, and now havce only one B77. Three of the A77s had my input > amp and play amp mods to make them sound cleaner. Never did get their > brakes to work well, though. The McIntosh C28 preamp is alegend. Never > let it go! I was trying to sell a high-end preamp made with nuvistors > (adapted from a studio preamp that was selling well) for home stereos > back in the 1970s, but the C28 beat it in the marketplace handily. > It's hard to beat the C28! You have a great rig there! >> I used to also have a small personal 4trk recording studio in my >> house.Alas, the only remains of that are an Otari MX-5050 1/4" 4trk. >> and a Rane EQ. which I may incorporate into my above home system >> someday. > Oh wow oh wow man, I'd love to talk you out of your Otari MX-5050. > I've been wanting one for my studio for some time but I always get > outbid on eBay. >> I'm really looking forward to receiving my used 600(silver) purchased >> from e-bay. Should be interesting to see the "guts" of a legend up >> close and personal!! Ross. > You'll enjoy getting Nak guts all over your hands. (Laughing.) From rob at rhoag.com Mon Jan 9 22:22:27 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:22:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anyone there??? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:53 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Would love to see this article in the February issue of Hi-Fi World, REEL LIVING "Thanks to the specialists at Bowers & Wilkins Ltd., Nakamichi cassette decks will run and run, says David Price." but we don't get it over here in the USA where I live and the subscription is pretty high $60UK = $80US ? Anyway, if anyone has the issue and wants to copy the article and post it that would be really great. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Nice article in this month’s edition, with a 3 page article on owning and servicing old Naks, with a strong link and interview with Bowers&Wilkins. Also some pictures of a 600, restored and on the bench. £3.60 of our british pounds. Mark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The point remains, however, that they are old machines and buyers should keep that in mind. best, Fred On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:33 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Hi Fred, > > I just want you to know that I am not the only Nakamichi expert at > E.S. Labs. Most of the cassette decks are serviced by Erik, the > perfectionist! We work as a team! Therefore, "Galinized" won't fly. > > These days, I am just a troubleshooter when in need and that is not > too often. I'm buried in paperwork and on a mission to find > replacement parts. > > By the way, a ZX-7 can't be more than 25 years old. > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jeff at eslabs.com Tue Jan 10 01:37:19 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:37:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod References: <20060106153332.2630.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06be01c61581$ac782fc0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Kannan, Roberts machine does NOT have the Nakamichi published EQ mod., the EQ components were hand picked and chosen for a flat frequency response, when recorded at -20, with the bias set at it's proper point. Of coarse, the playback EQ was tweaked first using Nakamichi standards as the reference. Every machine is different due to the differences between the other components and the variations in the heads as well as the tapes used for the record alignment. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod I had a CR7 which went to Graham (in UK after this Rec equalization MOD ) which was pre Mod Deck. When I received it without mod - it sounded dull on the HF on almost all tapes but was very quite in the S/N section. Only after doing the Mod , I found that the CR 7 records to the original HF response ( monitoring Source to Tape). As Stephen Sank said , Nakamichi had infact missed correcting it from te beginning but blamed tape formulation more than their own short comings. Infact the CR 7 board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for what reason I do not understand) So this Record equalization mod is a must for any CR 7 that does not have it. Robert' CR 7 infact has the mod installed ( without which it would not sound that well). We used his CR7A for the San francisco Nak marathon recording and no doubt the best for that occasion. People complain about CR7 A of sounding thin infact should listen to Stephen Sank touched machine - generally CR 7A has the most transparent recording provided it is correctly aligned. Again I should add that the CR7 should be aligned before judging it. Large number of decks without alignment can be disappointing in Nak models. Very few can beat the simple calibration and quality of record / play performance of CR7. I always wished a Dragon had the CR7 electronics and calibration process. Kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Ron, Paul, Ron, The Nakamichi Service Information bulletin for the EQ Modification is No. 00D-M-0298 from May of 1987. Ti Kan's earlier description of the purpose of the mod. is essentially correct. It was not intended as an upgrade to the IEC2 specification, but rather a response to some tape manufacturer's response curves on certain tapes that were boosted in the high range to give brighter sound in lesser decks. These tapes, like the TDK SA-X would not auto-calibrate correctly on the CR-7 when using Dolby C. As Ron already mentioned, Nakamichi did not recommend that the mod be done on all CR-7s.....only when requested by customers due to their particular tape preferences. It was the equivalent of a silent recall at the time. I am aware that Steven Sank is not a true believer in this explanation (thanks Ron for saving me from quoting Steven's hand written note), but here is a partial quote from the bulletin: "Some cassette tapes on the market have frequency response raised in the high-frequency range (above 15kHz) under the name of improvement.........These tapes, although con! forming to the IEC standard, have characteristics far from those of the reference tapes used by Nakamichi. When such a cassette tape is loaded in the CR-7 and, after auto calibration, music is recorded with Dolby NR set to C-type, the played back music has the auditory effect of "decreased frequency response in the high frequency range". The modification is, according to Nakamichi, to correct this problem. My CR-7 was modded by ESL a few years ago and performs wonderfully. I'm not sure if they implemented the exact changes outlined in the bulletin, or if they do a little custom design work of their own, but it works great. I do all of my recording on my CR-7, and play back on my Dragon, CR-5, CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX, and RX-505 with very nice results using a mixture of tapes including the SA-X.. I know Ti Kan did the mod himself on his CR-7 and was very happy with the results. Paul wrote: >Hi, Ron: >The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N >A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 > standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. >The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production aft! er S/N >A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. >I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine >immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. >However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to >be in my future..... >Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! 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The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi References: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo><43BC582E.8070300@woods-and-waters.com> <0a0801c61238$ad60f940$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <06bf01c61581$ad04df60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> W1LOP Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Walton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I do for a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How tall was it? I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? Ron W. : Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham > Radio Operator I suppose. No, but my friend Alan, who designed my antenna, is. During my apprenticeship I worked part-time making advertsing and PSA tapes for AM broadcasts, and my mentor was a broadcast engineer at a local daytimer, as well as being an avid Ham radio guy. Even did the slow-scan tv, which was pretty interesting. I showed him my transmitter. He remarked it had the best AUDIO circuitry he'd ever seen in a transmitter but the RF sections were mediocre. He suggested I replace my awful Hartley local oscillator (which was made of scavenged parts -- I used the primary of an push-pull plate-to-voice coil transformer as one of the inductors) with a crystal oscillator and he loaned me a set of crystals for each available frequency. He also remarked that a 6L6 isn't really the best choice for an RF power amp, andsuggested I should have chosen a tube made for the purpose. Hey, it was a lark, and the whole transmitter was made of scrap parts. Hooking up fine audio gear, like the Nak 550 and the Dual 1218, was sort of overkill but that was a big part of the fun. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 10 02:50:33 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:50:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <06be01c61581$ac782fc0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> References: <20060106153332.2630.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <06be01c61581$ac782fc0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <43C312E9.2050201@rcn.com> > *From:* kannan srinivasaraghavan > [...] Infact the CR 7 > board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components > indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite > elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for > what reason I do not understand) I find this a bit perplexing... When I installed the mod into my CR-7a, following the Nakamichi service bulletin, there were no PCB holes for the added components. In fact, the service bulletin instructs to do things like installing two wires into the same hole or connecting components up in the air. (It happens that this can be done very neatly, even when large polypropylene capacitors are used, if one is willing to take the time.) I always assumed that when Nakamichi implemented the mod in production units, they used a modified PCB -- but not before. -- Ron From ti at amb.org Tue Jan 10 03:18:51 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:18:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <43C312E9.2050201@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060110021851.CA08925C4C@smtp.amb.org> Ron writes: > > *From:* kannan srinivasaraghavan > > [...] Infact the CR 7 > > board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components > > indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite > > elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for > > what reason I do not understand) > > I find this a bit perplexing... When I installed > the mod into my CR-7a, following the Nakamichi > service bulletin, there were no PCB holes for the > added components. In fact, the service bulletin > instructs to do things like installing two wires > into the same hole or connecting components up in > the air. (It happens that this can be done very > neatly, even when large polypropylene capacitors > are used, if one is willing to take the time.) In my case, all of the parts went into existing unpopulated pcb holes, except for two of these (one per channel) you had to make a special contraption consisting of a capacitor and two resistors connected in a series-parallel fashion to put into the pcb. This was all outlined exactly as specified in the Nakamichi tech bulletin. -Ti From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 04:21:07 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:21:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <06be01c61581$ac782fc0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <20060110032107.31310.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Jeff for the clarification. I have not looked inside Robert' CR 7A but we decided that CR 7 will be the deck of choice and found our choice to have worked well at that time. I happen to do the recording for all the participant's choice at that occasion. However - i understand that ESlabs had not used nak recommended method but CR 7 needed modification anyway to function satisfactorily with all tapes when its auto calibration is used. Can you tell us why ES labs had not chosen Nakamichi recommended method if that is not specific proprietary technique. Kannan jeff at eslabs.com wrote: Kannan, Roberts machine does NOT have the Nakamichi published EQ mod., the EQ components were hand picked and chosen for a flat frequency response, when recorded at -20, with the bias set at it's proper point. Of coarse, the playback EQ was tweaked first using Nakamichi standards as the reference. Every machine is different due to the differences between the other components and the variations in the heads as well as the tapes used for the record alignment. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod I had a CR7 which went to Graham (in UK after this Rec equalization MOD ) which was pre Mod Deck. When I received it without mod - it sounded dull on the HF on almost all tapes but was very quite in the S/N section. Only after doing the Mod , I found that the CR 7 records to the original HF response ( monitoring Source to Tape). As Stephen Sank said , Nakamichi had infact missed correcting it from te beginning but blamed tape formulation more than their own short comings. Infact the CR 7 board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for what reason I do not understand) So this Record equalization mod is a must for any CR 7 that does not have it. Robert' CR 7 infact has the mod installed ( without which it would not sound that well). We used his CR7A for the San francisco Nak marathon recording and no doubt the best for that occasion. People complain about CR7 A of sounding thin infact should listen to Stephen Sank touched machine - generally CR 7A has the most transparent recording provided it is correctly aligned. Again I should add that the CR7 should be aligned before judging it. Large number of decks without alignment can be disappointing in Nak models. Very few can beat the simple calibration and quality of record / play performance of CR7. I always wished a Dragon had the CR7 electronics and calibration process. Kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Ron, Paul, Ron, The Nakamichi Service Information bulletin for the EQ Modification is No. 00D-M-0298 from May of 1987. Ti Kan’s earlier description of the purpose of the mod. is essentially correct. It was not intended as an upgrade to the IEC2 specification, but rather a response to some tape manufacturer’s response curves on certain tapes that were boosted in the high range to give brighter sound in lesser decks. These tapes, like the TDK SA-X would not auto-calibrate correctly on the CR-7 when using Dolby C. As Ron already mentioned, Nakamichi did not recommend that the mod be done on all CR-7s.....only when requested by customers due to their particular tape preferences. It was the equivalent of a silent recall at the time. I am aware that Steven Sank is not a true believer in this explanation (thanks Ron for saving me from quoting Steven's hand written note), but here is a partial quote from the bulletin: “Some cassette tapes on the market have frequency response raised in the high-frequency range (above 15kHz) under the name of improvement.........These tapes, although con! forming to the IEC standard, have characteristics far from those of the reference tapes used by Nakamichi. When such a cassette tape is loaded in the CR-7 and, after auto calibration, music is recorded with Dolby NR set to C-type, the played back music has the auditory effect of “decreased frequency response in the high frequency range”. The modification is, according to Nakamichi, to correct this problem. My CR-7 was modded by ESL a few years ago and performs wonderfully. I’m not sure if they implemented the exact changes outlined in the bulletin, or if they do a little custom design work of their own, but it works great. I do all of my recording on my CR-7, and play back on my Dragon, CR-5, CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX, and RX-505 with very nice results using a mixture of tapes including the SA-X.. I know Ti Kan did the mod himself on his CR-7 and was very happy with the results. Paul wrote: >Hi, Ron: >The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N >A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 > standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. >The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production aft! er S/N >A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. >I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine >immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. >However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to >be in my future..... >Paul --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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When I installed the mod into my CR-7a, following the Nakamichi service bulletin, there were no PCB holes for the added components. In fact, the service bulletin instructs to do things like installing two wires into the same hole or connecting components up in the air. (It happens that this can be done very neatly, even when large polypropylene capacitors are used, if one is willing to take the time.) I always assumed that when Nakamichi implemented the mod in production units, they used a modified PCB -- but not before. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 04:48:09 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:48:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <20060110033955.5431.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060110034809.23997.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perhaps Ron and Kannan are looking at two different revisions of the same board? kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Ron I have seen this PCB locations on the board - more than two machines and Nak mod shows these very clearly with instructions, I feel you might have missed noticing it. Kannan Ron wrote: > *From:* kannan srinivasaraghavan > [...] Infact the CR 7 > board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components > indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite > elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for > what reason I do not understand) I find this a bit perplexing... When I installed the mod into my CR-7a, following the Nakamichi service bulletin, there were no PCB holes for the added components. In fact, the service bulletin instructs to do! things like installing two wires into the same hole or connecting components up in the air. (It happens that this can be done very neatly, even when large polypropylene capacitors are used, if one is willing to take the time.) I always assumed that when Nakamichi implemented the mod in production units, they used a modified PCB -- but not before. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? 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See below, but first I feel I have someway to go before slepping out on my pallias with a straw in my mouth sucking beer whilst listening to a Nak playing Fink Ployd..... Shaun I am glad you made it thru that time. I was never nor ever have been a fan of alcohol, reluctance to pay voluntary taxes to governments has got something to do with it. Not that Im being holier than thou ........read on: my worse case scenario was on acid on the roof of a Tantric Monastery in the Himalaya's whilst listening to Jimi Hendrix's first posthumous Ezy Rider LP recorded on my mark 2 Sony Walkman. That was quite a night ....... a few days later I met H.H. The Dalai Lama ....... and things changed rapidly since then! Ho Hum. It was interesting to hear about what you have had to come thru Kermit with Neurosurgery. Your quality of life appears from this distance to be very high .......thats wonderful. You sure do mention the 550 quite a lot ...... its quite a challenge to me to believe how good it is in view of its age. I thought my Sony TC152 was the bees knees when I got it to try and bootleg the University rock concerts. And yes we even had Pink Floyd ...... I dont remember too much dancing that night! But I do remember the batteries failing on me! Thanks also Kermit for the explanation re Nak reproduction of non Nak tapes. I am still having a hard time believing what info is on some of our most ancient normal C120 tapes that have irreplaceable Indian Music from the 60's and very early 70's. A real favourite tape of ours is a Memorex c90 ....... possiby a pseudo ferrochrome. My wife and I found out real early that we were the only people we knew who knew anything about Indiam Music. Lise even studied the Sitar. So some of this music is/was really seminal in our relationship. However back to these ancient tapes. There is high and low frequency detail on this Memorex that we have never heard and quite possibly no one has ever heard. Recorded by a previous boyfriend of Lises' from a B & O record deck onto a B & O low level cassette deck ..... possibly a pre Dolby in circa 1973.... one can hear the record decks rumble. Anyway joy is unconfined hearing these tunes better than ever before. Again I am grateful to the Nakamichi's for making this possible. I'd like to state that I receive the Nak forum via digests. My own connection to the web is often tenous via a modem and dial up so visiting the actual web or browsing in general is sometimes really difficult. We live quite remotely in the hills of Southern Scotland to far from the exchange at present to get adsl ...... I mention this to explain why I dont reply to separate threads ..... separately...... its too much hassle to post separate posts when one might get cut off due to noise on the line. Satellite 2 way is too expensive and one way seems flakey by most reports AND the profile of the hills to our South make it marginal anyway ... so unless you know otherwise we cant get easy web access. So the next thread Im picking up on is Bala's views about UK & US top end/ founding fathers hi fi Re McIntosh Amps etc ...... I knew of them in the early 70's via the Hi Fi year books and "Hi Fi News and Record Review"....... boy was that a staid organ! I drooled over these legendary amps but no one imported them to UK, and non existed on the 2nd hand market. So I went for a Radford STA15 set up with Quad electrostatics. Very delicate but zero bass. Loved the radford but ran out of cash in the late 80's so sold it to the head of Technics UK ..... which I thought was cool. Speakers went to Brian Eno's wife ..... alas they were separated by then as I love his music big time then. So US stuff in particular amps was rated by the mags I read and later the Krells, Levinsons, Cello tone adjusters (!), But US speakers were still viewed as below par ....... like most Japanese Speakers ..... exceptions being your klipsch and the Yam ns1000's etc. However I hear that like the French and their apples only the rubbish kit was exported ......... and the best stuff only sold at home. You are right that Quad had an easy ride for years in the UK press but flopped big time when Linn, meridiam, Naim came along ....... I think they finally stopped producing amps etc last year after being sold on all over the place. Which is what happened to Leak ..... they were bought by Rank, who are now best known for selling flour for bread making! nakamichi was clearly an exception to this (only general) rule. However the remarks about Leak and Sugden tuners are making me ebay itchy I thought it was Sansui and some early Yamahas that folks liked ....... a Leak or Quad eh ...... hmmmm. In the UK we are 'transiting towards a digital radio nirvana ..... according to what we are supposed to believe .... I believe the FM will get closed down in 2012 and we will be all digital after that ...... I am not interested in DX'ing far away fm stations.. will fm tuners be kaput after 2012? On reflection I feel most contries have their reputation icons, their touchstone products. In Holland Phillips is still rated highly! My wife is from Denmark and no Dane knows anything about Ortofon cartridges in my experience but Danes assume that B & O electronics are as classy as the looks of the equipment ......... which is not my experience at all ...... I like its looks all thru its ages but very few sound great shakes. Even the Great British KEF and B & W make most money nowdays from the weirdness that 5.1 tv stuff requires. The idea of having a room full of speakers to watch the 'Slime coming out of the TV set' seems daft to me ....... I want to watch less tv not more of it and not have too many rooms cluttered with modern technology However in spite of remarks about Garrard 401's I"M LOOKING forward to getting this iconic piece of kit, setting it up as best as I can and enjoying it irrespective of Hi fi worlds notions. I had never heard of that magazine but hope I can order a copy tomorrow over the phone to read about B&W. I have put a bid on ebay on a DR3 at 40 pounds ....... possibly with a view to giving it to my brother as a gift for his 401 ....... if I win it. Any quick views on this deck ...... its 2 header very topical on the forum at present. See ebay 5850532004 for details or lack of them! I dont feel drawn to chase it its just that its local-ish peace Ian r scotland From earthrite at gn.apc.org Tue Jan 10 02:47:09 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:47:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] loads of set up tapes and guages .......but the snag is.... Message-ID: Hi Nakofiles A lot of Nak set up tapes and spares in turkey. see eaby 5850576330 and check out other items for sale or do a global Nakamichi search on ebay However the seller doesnt accept paypal so heavens only knows .......however some fascinating items loads and loads of set up tapes and gauges! Blimey Ian r From cestmoi at att.net Tue Jan 10 05:07:22 2006 From: cestmoi at att.net (Richard Obenauf) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:07:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ham Radio Message-ID: <011020060407.8363.43C332F9000EFD73000020AB21612436460701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Don't reply much here but I've been reading Naktalk for years. I'm a senior at UNM in Albuquerque (alas, studying English), and I've been a licensed ham since I was 14. All the old timers told me that I would lose time for the hobby when I discovered girls, and they were right. I have my late grandfather's first call sign, W5GUZ. Richard -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > W1LOP > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Walton > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi > > > That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I do for > a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How tall was it? > > I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? > > Ron W. > From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Tue Jan 10 10:21:13 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:21:13 +1000 Subject: [Possible SPAM] Re: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders In-Reply-To: <43C2BC83.50301@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20060109003504.70356.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1d72d94d5d18a190a41e0ff1152b2f09@zoomnet.com.au> <43C2BC83.50301@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <1c699b4af11fe07807133eab9bf183a3@zoomnet.com.au> Bingo! No problem this time. Thanks for the useful resource. David On 10/01/2006, at 5:41 AM, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi David, > > David Thompson wrote: >> Kermit >> Thanks for putting up the white paper on cleaning but unfortunately >> the download cannot be opened on my eMac. Acrobat says the file is >> damaged and cannot be repaired. Tried twice. Can you check you end >> please? > > Thanks for the notification! I uploaded the PDF again, then downloaded > it onto my older-style iMac, which is similar to your eMac (smaller > screen and slower CPU). The PDF opened without problems with Acrobat > Reader 5.0. But let me know if you still have trouble with it! > >> On 09/01/2006, at 10:35 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hey Kermit Buddy, >> Wonderful job! >> Regards >> Bala >> 79 Labs >> */"Kermit V. Gray" /* wrote: >> Because the topic of tape recorder cleaning comes up often, >> I've >> put a >> new white paper on the topic on my web site. Enjoy! >> >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/ >> cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 10:31:00 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:31:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <200601091749.k09Hn4RM024156@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of sound (to my ears;-) John Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the Orbe. Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that respect;-) But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I had the chance to get me one :'( From logosfire at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 11:32:08 2006 From: logosfire at gmail.com (Logosfire) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:32:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL Message-ID: <55f362cf0601100232l7bde166ameb88359a89b4e0b@mail.gmail.com> Newly acquired Nak 700ZXL(all orange caps have been replaced by previous owner) with all connectors,vol controls,switches and VR etc are throughly cleaned with electronic cleaning fluid and cured most problems mentioned previously and right now the only detected problem remains : unwanted noise induced listening through headphone in both tape and source mood only when the play-mood is engaged with tape when listening at source mood the noise is at maximun with vol control at minimum and decreases accordingly as you turn the vol control clock-wise and the noise is gone after position 3 o`clock. Where`s the noise coming from? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at eslabs.com Tue Jan 10 14:42:01 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:42:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod References: <20060110032107.31310.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b901c615ec$2985af50$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Kannan, Not all machines perform the same, therefore the EQ needs to be tweaked on each to get the best results. We recommend the use of Maxell XLII over the "S" version. The XLII has been a consistent excellent performer over it's more than 30 year life span. We can't say the same for most other tapes. If you are not using the Maxell XLIIS or the TDK SAX exclusively, then this modification is will screw-up the frequency response for the use of MA, XLII & SA. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: jeff at eslabs.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod Thanks Jeff for the clarification. I have not looked inside Robert' CR 7A but we decided that CR 7 will be the deck of choice and found our choice to have worked well at that time. I happen to do the recording for all the participant's choice at that occasion. However - i understand that ESlabs had not used nak recommended method but CR 7 needed modification anyway to function satisfactorily with all tapes when its auto calibration is used. Can you tell us why ES labs had not chosen Nakamichi recommended method if that is not specific proprietary technique. Kannan jeff at eslabs.com wrote: Kannan, Roberts machine does NOT have the Nakamichi published EQ mod., the EQ components w! ere hand picked and chosen for a flat frequency response, when recorded at -20, with the bias set at it's proper point. Of coarse, the playback EQ was tweaked first using Nakamichi standards as the reference. Every machine is different due to the differences between the other components and the variations in the heads as well as the tapes used for the record alignment. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod ! I had a CR7 which went to Graham (in UK after this Rec equalization MOD ) which was pre Mod Deck. When I received it without mod - it sounded dull on the HF on almost all tapes but was very quite in the S/N section. Only after doing the Mod , I found that the CR 7 records to the original HF response ( monitoring Source to Tape). As Stephen Sank said , Nakamichi had infact missed correcting it from te beginning but blamed tape formulation more than their own short comings. Infact the CR 7 board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for what reason I do not understand) So this Record equalization mod is a must for any CR 7 that does not have it. Robert' CR 7 infact has the mod installed ( without which it would not sound that well). We used his CR7A for the San francisco N! ak marathon recording and no doubt the best for that occasion. People complain about CR7 A of sounding thin infact should listen to Stephen Sank touched machine - generally CR 7A has the most transparent recording provided it is correctly aligned. Again I should add that the CR7 should be aligned before judging it. Large number of decks without alignment can be disappointing in Nak models. Very few can beat the simple calibration and quality of record / play performance of CR7. I always wished a Dragon had the CR7 electronics and calibration process. Kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Ron, Paul, Ron, The Nakamichi Service Information bulletin for the EQ Modification is No. 00D-M-0298 from May of 1987. Ti Kan's earlier description of the purpose of the mod. is essentially correct. It was not intended as an upgrade to the IEC2 specification, but rather a response to some tape manufacturer's response curves on certain tapes that were boosted in the high range to give brighter sound in lesser decks. These tapes, like the TDK SA-X would not auto-calibrate correctly on the CR-7 when using Dolby C. As Ron already mentioned, Nakamichi did not recommend that the mod be done on all CR-7s.....only when requested by customers due to their particular tape preferences. It was the equivalent of a silent recall at the time. I am aware that Steven Sank is not a true believer in this explanation (thanks Ron for saving me from quoting Steven's hand written note), but here is a partial quote from the bulletin: "Some cassette tapes on the market have frequency response raised in the high-frequency range (above 15kHz) under the name of improvement.........These tape! s, although con! forming to the IEC standard, have characteristics far from those of the reference tapes used by Nakamichi. When such a cassette tape is loaded in the CR-7 and, after auto calibration, music is recorded with Dolby NR set to C-type, the played back music has the auditory effect of "decreased frequency response in the high frequency range". The modification is, according to Nakamichi, to correct this problem. My CR-7 was modded by ESL a few years ago and performs wonderfully. I'm not sure if they implemented the exact changes outlined in the bulletin, or if they do a little custom design work of their own, but it works great. I do all of my recording on my CR-7, and play back on my Dragon, CR-5, CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX, and RX-505 with very nice results using a mixture of tapes including the SA-X.. I know Ti Kan did the mod himself on his CR-7 and was very happy with the results. Paul wrote: >Hi, Ron: >The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N >A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 > standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. >The equalization upgrade was incorporated in pr! oduction aft! er S/N >A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. >I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine >immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. >However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to >be in my future..... >Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 10 15:00:51 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:00:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <20060110034809.23997.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060110034809.23997.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C3BE13.9090207@rcn.com> Bala, Ti, Kannan, My version of the board is the same as shown in the Nak bulletin and CR-7 service manual. It made no allowance for the mod. Some new components fit into holes vacated by removed components (where it was simply a value change) but some *added* components had be be 'kludged in' as was the assembly mentioned by Ti (R001, R122 and C001, where R122 is a *replaced* component but R001 and C001 are *added* components). All I am saying is that I don't think Nakamichi designed the PCB for the mod, but refrained from building it in. That would be dishonourable, as they would be deliberately giving customers less than what they paid for. I feel Nakamichi Engineering were very conscientious and would not have stooped to do that. I wish I felt the same way about Nakamichi Marketing... -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Perhaps Ron and Kannan are looking at two different revisions of the > same board? > > > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > Ron > I have seen this PCB locations on the board - more than two machines > and Nak mod shows these very clearly with instructions, I feel you > might have missed noticing it. > Kannan > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > > *From:* kannan srinivasaraghavan > > [...] Infact the CR 7 > > board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional > components > > indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these > circuite > > elements but ! somehow the implementing team had left out the > parts ( for > > what reason I do not understand) > > I find this a bit perplexing... When I installed > the mod into my CR-7a, following the Nakamichi > service bulletin, there were no PCB holes for the > added components. In fact, the service bulletin > instructs to do! things like installing two wires > into the same hole or connecting components up in > the air. (It happens that this can be done very > neatly, even when large polypropylene capacitors > are used, if one is willing to take the time.) > > I always assumed that when Nakamichi implemented > the mod in production units, they used a modified > PCB -- but not before. > > -- Ron From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 15:56:44 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:56:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060110145644.30206.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dr Dub, I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. Perhaps the ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy Spotheim La Luce 'tables. Bala "Dr. Dub" wrote: Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of sound (to my ears;-) John Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the Orbe. Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that respect;-) But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I had the chance to get me one :'( ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Tue Jan 10 15:48:49 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:48:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi References: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo><43BC582E.8070300@woods-and-waters.com><0a0801c61238$ad60f940$6401a8c0@Rondo> <06bf01c61581$ad04df60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <03c601c615f4$f76235d0$6801a8c0@Rondo> Hello Jeff, De KM5HA! I see from qrz.com you are Extra Class! Ron W. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi W1LOP Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Walton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I do for a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How tall was it? I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? Ron W. : Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham > Radio Operator I suppose. No, but my friend Alan, who designed my antenna, is. During my apprenticeship I worked part-time making advertsing and PSA tapes for AM broadcasts, and my mentor was a broadcast engineer at a local daytimer, as well as being an avid Ham radio guy. Even did the slow-scan tv, which was pretty interesting. I showed him my transmitter. He remarked it had the best AUDIO circuitry he'd ever seen in a transmitter but the RF sections were mediocre. He suggested I replace my awful Hartley local oscillator (which was made of scavenged parts -- I used the primary of an push-pull plate-to-voice coil transformer as one of the inductors) with a crystal oscillator and he loaned me a set of crystals for each available frequency. He also remarked that a 6L6 isn't really the best choice for an RF power amp, andsuggested I should have chosen a tube made for the purpose. Hey, it was a lark, and the whole transmitter was made of scrap parts. Hooking up fine audio gear, like the Nak 550 and the Dual 1218, was sort of overkill but that was a big part of the fun. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Tue Jan 10 16:22:37 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:22:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ham Radio References: <011020060407.8363.43C332F9000EFD73000020AB21612436460701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Message-ID: <043f01c615f9$b0563ec0$6801a8c0@Rondo> Hello Richard! We are practically neighbors. I am in Farmington. KM5HA Ron W. Don't reply much here but I've been reading Naktalk for years. I'm a senior at UNM in Albuquerque (alas, studying English), and I've been a licensed ham since I was 14. All the old timers told me that I would lose time for the hobby when I discovered girls, and they were right. I have my late grandfather's first call sign, W5GUZ. Richard -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > W1LOP > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Walton > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi > > > That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I do for > a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How tall was it? > > I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? > > Ron W. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at eslabs.com Tue Jan 10 16:41:58 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:41:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi References: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo><43BC582E.8070300@woods-and-waters.com><0a0801c61238$ad60f940$6401a8c0@Rondo><06bf01c61581$ad04df60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> <03c601c615f4$f76235d0$6801a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <00f701c615fc$69e51300$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Hi Ron, I was WA1NSG when I got my Extra. My Dad was W1LOP until he took W1EA in the late 60's. I surprised him with my extra and the taking of his old call. In return, he gave me his old ICOM IC756 PRO II, Kenwood TS-950SDX, ALPHA 78A & much more. Although I am not very active, he is and using an ICOM IC-7800, IC-756 PRO III, a couple more of the ALPHA 78A amplifiers and a LOT more. He still has some of his older Collins tube gear as well. He has a couple of 100 foot towers, on a mountain, here in Connecticut. We have been involved in a large VHF/UHF repeater club since it's beginning 1971. In case you are curious, I'll be 53 on the 24th of this month. 73 Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Walton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hello Jeff, De KM5HA! I see from qrz.com you are Extra Class! Ron W. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi W1LOP Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Walton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I do for a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How tall was it? I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? Ron W. : Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham > Radio Operator I suppose. No, but my friend Alan, who designed my antenna, is. During my apprenticeship I worked part-time making advertsing and PSA tapes for AM broadcasts, and my mentor was a broadcast engineer at a local daytimer, as well as being an avid Ham radio guy. Even did the slow-scan tv, which was pretty interesting. I showed him my transmitter. He remarked it had the best AUDIO circuitry he'd ever seen in a transmitter but the RF sections were mediocre. He suggested I replace my awful Hartley local oscillator (which was made of scavenged parts -- I used the primary of an push-pull plate-to-voice coil transformer as one of the inductors) with a crystal oscillator and he loaned me a set of crystals for each available frequency. He also remarked that a 6L6 isn't really the best choice for an RF power amp, andsuggested I should have chosen a tube made for the purpose. Hey, it was a lark, and the whole transmitter was made of scrap parts. Hooking up fine audio gear, like the Nak 550 and the Dual 1218, was sort of overkill but that was a big part of the fun. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 10 16:42:47 2006 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:42:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL Message-ID: <410-220061210154247383@earthlink.net> I have a 700zxl. suffering with the same ruinous noise issues. For the life of me I cannot figue out where this distortion (left channel only) is eminating from. I can hear it during low level signal passages and occassionaly detect popping. I also tried using the outboard Dolby device and thing quickly deteriorate. Is this a clue? Cannot fathom getting rid of this deck for something that ultimately might turn out to be an easy fix. I spent time fixing burnt out lamps and cleaning the boards and find this last squak a maddening pest. Can anyone shed light on this cunundrum. ----- Original Message ----- From: Logosfire To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: 1/10/2006 7:45:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL Newly acquired Nak 700ZXL(all orange caps have been replaced by previous owner) with all connectors,vol controls,switches and VR etc are throughly cleaned with electronic cleaning fluid and cured most problems mentioned previously and right now the only detected problem remains : unwanted noise induced listening through headphone in both tape and source mood only when the play-mood is engaged with tape when listening at source mood the noise is at maximun with vol control at minimum and decreases accordingly as you turn the vol control clock-wise and the noise is gone after position 3 o`clock. Where`s the noise coming from? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 10 16:55:44 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:55:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <00f701c615fc$69e51300$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <007101c615fe$508667e0$b29487d9@oemcomputer> A fellow Aquarian, I think, and just 2 years older than me ... -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jeff at eslabs.com Sent: 10 January 2006 15:42 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hi Ron, I was WA1NSG when I got my Extra. My Dad was W1LOP until he took W1EA in the late 60's. I surprised him with my extra and the taking of his old call. In return, he gave me his old ICOM IC756 PRO II, Kenwood TS-950SDX, ALPHA 78A & much more. Although I am not very active, he is and using an ICOM IC-7800, IC-756 PRO III, a couple more of the ALPHA 78A amplifiers and a LOT more. He still has some of his older Collins tube gear as well. He has a couple of 100 foot towers, on a mountain, here in Connecticut. We have been involved in a large VHF/UHF repeater club since it's beginning 1971. In case you are curious, I'll be 53 on the 24th of this month. 73 Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 10 17:01:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:01:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <20060110145644.30206.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060110145644.30206.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C3DA72.1010209@rcn.com> Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Dr Dub, > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. Perhaps the > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > Bala > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > sound (to > my ears;-) John Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the Orbe. > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that respect;-) > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > had the > chance to get me one :'( > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 10 17:13:52 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:13:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL In-Reply-To: <410-220061210154247383@earthlink.net> References: <410-220061210154247383@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43C3DD40.3030502@rcn.com> Could be any resistor, capacitor, transistor, IC or PCB trace, to mention just a few of the possibilities. If you have (or can obtain) a signal tracer, the source shouldn't be too difficult to localize. Another possible aid is a freezing spray. By spraying very small portions of the suspected circuitry, one at a time, the problem may rear its ugly head. -- Ron Dan Dinhofer wrote: > I have a 700zxl. suffering with the same ruinous noise issues. For the > life of me I cannot figue out where this distortion (left channel only) > is eminating from. I can hear it during low level signal passages and > occassionaly detect popping. I also tried using the outboard Dolby device > and thing quickly deteriorate. Is this a clue? Cannot fathom getting > rid of this deck for something that ultimately might turn out to be an > easy fix. I > spent time fixing burnt out lamps and cleaning the boards and find this > last squak a maddening pest. Can anyone shed light on this cunundrum. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Logosfire > *To: *naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* 1/10/2006 7:45:37 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL > > Newly acquired Nak 700ZXL(all orange caps have been replaced by > previous owner) with all connectors,vol controls,switches and VR etc > are throughly cleaned with electronic cleaning fluid and cured most > problems mentioned previously > and right now the only detected problem remains : > unwanted noise induced listening through headphone in both tape and > source mood > only when the play-mood is engaged with tape > when listening at source mood the noise is at maximun with vol > control at minimum > and decreases accordingly as you turn the vol control clock-wise > and the noise is gone after position 3 o`clock. > Where`s the noise coming from? From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 10 17:49:46 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:49:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <43C3DA72.1010209@rcn.com> Message-ID: <007e01c61605$dcdc23e0$b29487d9@oemcomputer> But is it not the case with TTs, cassette decks and so forth, that they are like cars or watches? I.e. What you pay for them does not necessarily reflect their performance but some other "benefit"? Thence, would the performance of a SME 30 be any better than an Orbe and more than a special edition (gold plated) ZXL be better than a standard ZXL at half the price? I am reminded of that brilliant Sekonda advert for watches: "Beware of expensive imitations." Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 10 January 2006 16:02 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables > > > > > Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or > the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? > > -- Ron > > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Dr Dub, > > > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. > Perhaps the > > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > > > Bala > > > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > > sound (to > > my ears;-) John Michell made the true ZXL of turntables > with the Orbe. > > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that > respect;-) > > > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > > had the > > chance to get me one :'( > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rondo at nottltd.com Tue Jan 10 18:47:11 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:47:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi References: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo><43BC582E.8070300@woods-and-waters.com><0a0801c61238$ad60f940$6401a8c0@Rondo><06bf01c61581$ad04df60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK><03c601c615f4$f76235d0$6801a8c0@Rondo> <00f701c615fc$69e51300$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <04ea01c6160d$e299bd30$6801a8c0@Rondo> Thats quite a gift! Go Dad! My station consists of a lowly Kenwood TS-440 and a Heathkit SB-1000 feeding a Butternut Vertical antenna. At our retreat cabin in Colorado, I have a Kenwood TS-530S and a G5RV. Actually works quite well. Also have a BB3 mobile on my pickup. We were the manufacturer of those for many years. Even though the company I work for sells tower (Rohn and Nello), I have never put up a tower for my own use. Are you active with CW? I have not been very active for a couple of years. I will be 48 this year. Are you active enough to want to try a sched. this weekend? 73 Ron W. A prizey for any nonham who knows what 73 means! Hi Ron, I was WA1NSG when I got my Extra. My Dad was W1LOP until he took W1EA in the late 60's. I surprised him with my extra and the taking of his old call. In return, he gave me his old ICOM IC756 PRO II, Kenwood TS-950SDX, ALPHA 78A & much more. Although I am not very active, he is and using an ICOM IC-7800, IC-756 PRO III, a couple more of the ALPHA 78A amplifiers and a LOT more. He still has some of his older Collins tube gear as well. He has a couple of 100 foot towers, on a mountain, here in Connecticut. We have been involved in a large VHF/UHF repeater club since it's beginning 1971. In case you are curious, I'll be 53 on the 24th of this month. 73 Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Walton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hello Jeff, De KM5HA! I see from qrz.com you are Extra Class! Ron W. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi W1LOP Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Walton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I do for a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How tall was it? I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? Ron W. : Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham > Radio Operator I suppose. No, but my friend Alan, who designed my antenna, is. During my apprenticeship I worked part-time making advertsing and PSA tapes for AM broadcasts, and my mentor was a broadcast engineer at a local daytimer, as well as being an avid Ham radio guy. Even did the slow-scan tv, which was pretty interesting. I showed him my transmitter. He remarked it had the best AUDIO circuitry he'd ever seen in a transmitter but the RF sections were mediocre. He suggested I replace my awful Hartley local oscillator (which was made of scavenged parts -- I used the primary of an push-pull plate-to-voice coil transformer as one of the inductors) with a crystal oscillator and he loaned me a set of crystals for each available frequency. He also remarked that a 6L6 isn't really the best choice for an RF power amp, andsuggested I should have chosen a tube made for the purpose. Hey, it was a lark, and the whole transmitter was made of scrap parts. Hooking up fine audio gear, like the Nak 550 and the Dual 1218, was sort of overkill but that was a big part of the fun. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Tue Jan 10 20:22:59 2006 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:22:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <200601090041.k090eutb020870@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Kermit, Do I remember reading that American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller Cleaner is actually Heptane? Gary From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 10 20:49:50 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:49:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C40FDE.8050702@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gary, gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > Do I remember reading that American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller > Cleaner is actually Heptane? Close. It's almost pure hexane, I think with a trace amount of MEK. Delicious when mixed with a mixture of coconut juice and pineapple juice, 'cuz packs a lot more punch than rum does. Makes a real drink for real audio engineers, definitely cleans your head in the process. Belch. No, I'm joking. Hexane is, of course, a toxic chemical, and is something that requires a bit of care. Yet, it shouldn't scare anyone off from using American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller Cleaner. Just use common sense when handling the stuff: ensure you have adequate ventilation (avoid breathing the fumes), don't get it on your skin, and don't use any more than needed for the job. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 10 21:14:11 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:14:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <43C40FDE.8050702@woods-and-waters.com> References: <43C40FDE.8050702@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43C41593.1010309@rcn.com> IIRC, Stephen recommended pure MEK for cleaning jobs. Personally, I would avoid getting it on rubber parts, but it's excellent for cleaning metal. -- Ron Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Gary, > > gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > >> Do I remember reading that American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller >> Cleaner is actually Heptane? > > > Close. It's almost pure hexane, I think with a trace amount of MEK. > Delicious when mixed with a mixture of coconut juice and pineapple > juice, 'cuz packs a lot more punch than rum does. Makes a real drink for > real audio engineers, definitely cleans your head in the process. Belch. > > No, I'm joking. > > Hexane is, of course, a toxic chemical, and is something that requires a > bit of care. Yet, it shouldn't scare anyone off from using American > Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller Cleaner. > > Just use common sense when handling the stuff: ensure you have adequate > ventilation (avoid breathing the fumes), don't get it on your skin, and > don't use any more than needed for the job. > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 03:03:31 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:03:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <43C3DA72.1010209@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060111020331.61333.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The SME 30 is a real pain to get working right. But when it does..wow..its really so close to master tape sound! Ron wrote: Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Dr Dub, > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. Perhaps the > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > Bala > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > sound (to > my ears;-) John Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the Orbe. > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that respect;-) > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > had the > chance to get me one :'( > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 03:13:51 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:13:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <007e01c61605$dcdc23e0$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060111021351.21812.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, surely most of the money goes to the sound the deck produces. The ZXL LTD costs that much more thanks to the effort put in for the various improvements and fine tuning the deck. The ZXL itself costs so much due to the investment in R and D and the cost of making such a deck (at that time). But, as I have noticed, as the costs go up, the improvement or advancement per dollar decreases. Nelson wrote: But is it not the case with TTs, cassette decks and so forth, that they are like cars or watches? I.e. What you pay for them does not necessarily reflect their performance but some other "benefit"? Thence, would the performance of a SME 30 be any better than an Orbe and more than a special edition (gold plated) ZXL be better than a standard ZXL at half the price? I am reminded of that brilliant Sekonda advert for watches: "Beware of expensive imitations." Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 10 January 2006 16:02 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables > > > > > Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or > the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? > > -- Ron > > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Dr Dub, > > > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. > Perhaps the > > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > > > Bala > > > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > > sound (to > > my ears;-) John Michell made the true ZXL of turntables > with the Orbe. > > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that > respect;-) > > > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > > had the > > chance to get me one :'( > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 03:56:49 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:56:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: <009601c61557$93d844c0$76b587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060111025649.38501.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, The Leak isn't a bad sounding tuner, until it runs into some serious competition in the likes of Fisher, Scott 310E and the McIntosh MR65. I am not really a tuner person due to the compressed aweful FM broadcasts in my country. There were many more classic tuners from both sides of the Atlantic, which, I feel, any good hi-fi magazine should cover. What Hi-Fi world did with tuners and turntables, they also did with speakers, amplifers.et el. Today, I still see them lauding the Yamaha NS1000Ms. Great speakers no doubt, but how about more depth in coverage? The Yams would also run into serious trouble if introduced to true legends like the Bozak Symphony Grand. Thanks to Hi-Fi world, I have stopped entirely buying magazines. Nelson wrote: Fair points, Bala, altho' I do recall seeing one of the Hi Fi World journalists did rate the Thorens 124 ABOVE the Garrards in one article - at least, they said it was probably more "accurate", although they said the Garrard's offered better bass. There again, all of them completely omit to mention the great US turntable of that time made by Fairchild, or the Swiss made Goldring Lencos GL88 and GL99, which some would argue are at least as good as the Garrards. (Personally, I prefer the Lenco design over the Thorens any day.) Indeed, Stephen Sank used to maintain the Fairchild used in the radio stations, with 33.3, 45 and 78 rpm was a far better TT than all the rest put together! As for tuners ... well, they do miss out on some good ones. Of course, the Leak's are amazing, especially given their age. They are detailed, very revealing (you can play "spot the microphone type"!) and they reproduce the tonal colours of instruments wonderfully. (I have several tuners and my mono Leak is my favourite, even over a Sony ST5950SD, which also gets a mention in Hi Fi World, but I knew about it well before they did - it's very good but too heavy on the higher spectrum), the much lauded Quad FM4 (nice tuner for falling asleep to ...) and my other favourite (I have two!), the Sugden T28. The Suggie is, I reckon, one of the bargains in hi fi on the 2nd hand market. Usually much cheaper than a Leak but it sounds very much like a top of the line Naim ... but it doesn't get a mention in Hi Fi World ... and it's a BRITISH tuner, too!! But you won't see any mention of H J Scott, Dynaco/kit, or Eico tuners of the same period as the Leak's. There's not much mention of some of the other "great" British names of that time, either, like Radford or Armstrong. Of course, those who know, already pay big bucks for the Radfords, but the Armstrongs are, and always were, the Cinderella's of that age in British hi fi. But it seems to me that many of these guys writing in the hi fi magazines are/were hi fi enthusiats/retailers/designers ever before they became journalists. I'd bet most of them never even attended a school of journalism and got their jobs on the merit of their ability to write and their specialist knowledge, not their complete knowledge or any learning about how to conduct research ... I mean, it seems to me they rarely bother to go out to LOOK for products, they just wait for them to come to them! So, if a maker doesn't want his product to be reviewed in a magazine all he needs to do is not bother to tell the journalist that it exists! (After all, not all of them WOULD want to have their product reviewed, not because it it's rubbish but because one bad and biased review can kill a product stone dead just as one biased good one can create a cult status that is quite undeserved. Remember the Pioneer A400? What a load hype and codswallop was written about that so-called "giant killer". If they were any better than the crop of Rotel, Marantz, Sony, Technics, etc, around at the time, it would have been only a smidgen better, but to my ear ... frankly, I didn't like the amp at all.) These these hi fi journalists get a very narrow perspective on their world. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 09 January 2006 15:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Hi Graham, Whilst young, these guys are professional audio journalists who should have some history. Also, while I talked about the past, even today, many great companies(think Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VPI, Jeff-Rowland et. ) still turn out great hi end gear. Why are they not talked about? Many of the popular tubes (like the 300B, KT series) were invented in USA, alongside famous circuit topologies. But all I ever hear is how the British have shaped hi-fi. The thing that really cheeses me off, is how Hi-Fi world puts the Garrard 401 on the golden throne while throwing a cursory remark that the Thorens TD124/II is 'very good'. Having heard both, on several occasions, I can make a safe bet that the Thorens will win the Garrard by a wide margin. They also do similiar uglies to Leak tuners. Has David Price ever listened to a McIntosh MR71? Regards Bala . ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 04:11:11 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <43C182A9.9060204@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060111031111.76180.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, Thanks! I see the difference in various people as to how they esteem their Naks. Having got recently married, my dad's advised me to 'clear some of the decks out'. My reply, in front of my new wife is, "Over my dead body". Then comes your good self, who has names your valuable decks and have waxed lyrical about the 600 (which I found was entirely true after hearing my own 600!). I would also like to mention Alex, who stands firmly by his Dragon. There are many others who also believe in their Naks, which may not be right up there, but gives them that 60 minutes (for a C60 tape) of bliss. And they are loyal and faithful to their deck for that. I respect you gentlemen and I learn from the passion of each and every one of you. from my memory, Cassette Decks: Nak 700 Nak 700 II Nak 600 Nak 670ZX Nak 680ZX (4) Nak 700ZXL (3) Nak 1000ZXL (3) Nak Dragon Nak CR7 Nak DR10 Aiwa F990 Aiwa XK009 Excelia Aiwa AD 6700 (2) Technics RS-M95 Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Keith, Keith Dawson wrote: > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe 600 series. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 04:24:54 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:24:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Message-ID: Bravo Bala...STILL FIRM...NO matter whatever you new wife will say!!!! Happens with mine (27 years of marriage), all the time I acquired something new or received a gift...SHE MUST...say something...seriously...I'm tired...of hearing her! That's is our life when we have some "HOBBY"...NOT so common comprehended by any WIFE....! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:11 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Kermit, > > Thanks! I see the difference in various people as to how they >esteem their Naks. Having got recently married, my dad's advised me to >'clear some of the decks out'. My reply, in front of my new wife is, "Over >my dead body". Then comes your good self, who has names your valuable decks >and have waxed lyrical about the 600 (which I found was entirely true after >hearing my own 600!). I would also like to mention Alex, who stands firmly >by his Dragon. There are many others who also believe in their Naks, which >may not be right up there, but gives them that 60 minutes (for a C60 tape) >of bliss. And they are loyal and faithful to their deck for that. I respect >you gentlemen and I learn from the passion of each and every one of you. > > from my memory, > Cassette Decks: > Nak 700 > Nak 700 II > Nak 600 > Nak 670ZX > Nak 680ZX (4) > Nak 700ZXL (3) > Nak 1000ZXL (3) > Nak Dragon > Nak CR7 > Nak DR10 >Aiwa F990 > Aiwa XK009 Excelia > Aiwa AD 6700 (2) > Technics RS-M95 > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79 Labs > > "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Keith, > >Keith Dawson wrote: > > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the > > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only > > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! > >I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" >that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At >the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel >slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these >older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly >Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have >only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's >slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. > >I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be >repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In >truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent >anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe >600 series. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, >whatever. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 06:16:39 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:16:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <43C41593.1010309@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060111051639.23087.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe Stephen said the MEK was fine for the rubber pinch rollers too. It's the plastic parts that it should be kept away from. --- Ron wrote: > > IIRC, Stephen recommended pure MEK for cleaning jobs. > Personally, I would avoid getting it on rubber parts, > but it's excellent for cleaning metal. > > -- Ron > > > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > > > gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > > >> Do I remember reading that American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch > Roller > >> Cleaner is actually Heptane? > > > > > > Close. It's almost pure hexane, I think with a trace amount of > MEK. > > Delicious when mixed with a mixture of coconut juice and > pineapple > > juice, 'cuz packs a lot more punch than rum does. Makes a real > drink for > > real audio engineers, definitely cleans your head in the process. > Belch. > > > > No, I'm joking. > > > > Hexane is, of course, a toxic chemical, and is something that > requires a > > bit of care. Yet, it shouldn't scare anyone off from using > American > > Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller Cleaner. > > > > Just use common sense when handling the stuff: ensure you have > adequate > > ventilation (avoid breathing the fumes), don't get it on your > skin, and > > don't use any more than needed for the job. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 11 06:24:37 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:24:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 550 Service Manual Message-ID: <43C49695.1090005@woods-and-waters.com> Hi All, Does anyone have a downloadable copy of the Nakamichi 550 Service Manual? (NOTE: If you do have it, PLEASE DO NOT SEND IT TO MY EMAIL!!! I'm on dial-up Internet access and the download could take HOURS. I often get disconnected after 30 minutes or so, so emailing me the manual would in essence disable my email.) Thanks! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 06:31:50 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:31:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] loads of set up tapes and guages .......but the snag is.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060111053150.90413.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Nakamichi tapes that "naac.tr" is selling are nothing more than tapes. There are no special tones recorded on them and they are only used EX (normal), SX (CrO2), ZX (metal) tapes for doing bias and level calibration which Should be done with the tapes you commonly use TDK AD, SA and MA if you are a TDK person and whatever. Using the Nak tapes for bias and level calibration will lead to mixed results with other tapes. He does have some other useful items up for auction like a belt, a bunch of motors, a few pinch rollers, some heads and a few check/alignment gauges, but, his starting prices are way too high. SJ --- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > Hi Nakofiles > > A lot of Nak set up tapes and spares in turkey. > > see eaby 5850576330 > > and check out other items for sale or do a global Nakamichi search > on ebay > > However the seller doesnt accept paypal so heavens only knows > .......however some fascinating items loads and loads of set up > tapes > and gauges! > > Blimey > > Ian r > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 11 06:36:21 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:36:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <20060111051639.23087.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060111051639.23087.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C49955.1010404@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Scott. Scott Johnson wrote: > I believe Stephen said the MEK was fine for the rubber pinch rollers > too. It's the plastic parts that it should be kept away from. > Which is correct, and which also emphasizes that no matter what cleaner you use, be sure to use only the minimum needed for the job, and minimize the time that the parts are exposed to the cleaner. > > --- Ron wrote: > > >>IIRC, Stephen recommended pure MEK for cleaning jobs. >>Personally, I would avoid getting it on rubber parts, >>but it's excellent for cleaning metal. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 06:34:54 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:34:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060111053454.91151.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I can't remember if it was said already or not, but, the 70/120 us equalization switch effects both playback and recording. This is according to the MR-1 schematic that I happen to have on my decks. I am sure that it is the same for all decks. SJ --- Doane Hoag wrote: > Equilization does only effect playback, but during recording, if > your > equilization is set wrong I guess it would change the sound if you > have a > tape monitor switch and are trying to A/B. > > Doane > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Ron Walton > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:41 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs > > > Thanks Jon, > > Did the recording sound okay once you switched the EQ back to > 120/us ? since > that is also where it was set when you recorded? > > Yes, my hearing is not quite as good, but I noticed the same thing > when I > first got the deck when I was much younger in '87. One night soon > I will > try a new recording with the EQ switch set for chrome as well. > There might > be something in the auto-cal. that also determines which EQ is set. > I must > say that I always thought the EQ setting affected only playback and > not what > got recorded on the tape. > > Is there a modification by ESL or someone whereby one can vary the > bias > manually on the CR-7 while recording? > > And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for > the CR-7 > ? > > Ron W. > > > > Ron, > > > I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead > of the 70 > eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape recording > from vinyl > that I did not like the sound as well. > > > On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in > the > midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in the > upper bass > area. > > > But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to > increase the > bias and level by 1.5. > You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback > on what > works and does not work for me. YMMV. > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: > > > I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency > response. > A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi > had their > bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble > and upper > treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the > EQ to > 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the > treble > sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same > on a > routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening > this way > for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and > it sounds > better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to > the shop > for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. > > To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us > sound too > dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the > source to the > tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. > > Comments?????? > > Ron W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kermit V. Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs > > > Hi Jon, > > Jon Ochi wrote: > > Dr. Dub, > > > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + > on > blinking > > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results > of that > small > > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer > especially in > > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the > audiophile way > to > > describe the sound except to say that it is more > lively--perhaps > > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. > > Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. > Apparently, > you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion > and > widest > frequency response. > > > The other > > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can > enjoy the > > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just > cuts > through > > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval > is much > > improved. > > Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: > > #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. > > #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. > > Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to > hear > clearly at lower playback levels. > > So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, > your tapes > are > clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear > everything. > > That's my theory, anyway. > > > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? > Please explain > in > > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand > technical > > theories very well. > > > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like > the "new" > > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that > such a small > > tweak can change the sound like it does. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro > audio info > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > === message truncated ===> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Jan 11 02:46:10 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:46:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - Original Owner (item 5846493691 end time Jan-01-06 16:11:06 PST) Message-ID: Today i recieved my Nakamichi RX-303 that I paid 150.00 for, plus shipping. It was advertised in "flawlwss condition", and as an original owner machine. Well, Powered it up and it didnt play or autoreverse, although it rewinds and fastforewards ok. Wow, first Nak Ive bought on e-bay and its a dud.Hopefully the guy will refund my bread, but im still out shipping both ways(about 50.00).I need to have a much better head about which auctions to bid on, and about which people to deal with in general.I let my love of the RX303's blind me to asking questions about the unit and felling out the description , which was brief and minimal.An old machine from a original owner who has usewd it for years is suspect to having wear and tear, obviously...D'OH!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846493691&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Jan 11 04:06:37 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:06:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX-303 ,Ebay Message-ID: Heres an update on one of the Rx-303's i recieved on E-Bay that i had posted was inoperable..... The guy( a Dr.) , e-mailed me saying it had been several years since he used the deck.The gentleman did offer a full refund; a class act! I fiddled around with the auto-reverse mechanism and sprayed some Silicon into the sluggish turning mechanism and now it autoreverses and plays perfect!! He told me it had been sveral years since the deck had been operated.The deck was dusty, but appears excellent plus overall.It appears my judgement was correct on this magnificent Nak. RX-303 unit! The sound and operation is superb, and I am listening to it now through 'phones.Wow , what a great deck!!Nice deal for 150.00 plus ship! -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Jan 11 06:26:42 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:26:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables Message-ID: ..absolutetely nice point on the intrinsic value of our machines.I have a 26.00 Timex atomic watch, and its timekeeping is far superior to any swiss or Japanese analog watch , irrespective of value. Also,at 699.00, I bought my ILO HDTV/VGA computer monitor. No, its not for gaming, but i love the 26" widescreen 1280X 760 images I get of Naktalk , and for the same price as a 19" samsung hi-res monitor. Fially, FOR 300.00, I got three Nak rx-303'S.This for the price of less than one Nak zx-9,cr-7, or Dragon. Whats the formulae?---quantity X quality = Price divided by value!That having been stated, no doubt as a nakaholic, i still Do want a top end three head Nak(Dragon or Cr-7),AND a 2500.00 Swiss analog watch(OMEGA for me) 8-) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 11 09:37:26 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:37:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - Original Owner (item 5846493691 end time Jan-01-06 Message-ID: Always disappointing to hear this. Post negative feedback on the seller without delay if he does not fully refund you in a flash. After all, $150 + $50 is a fair amount of loot. Did he have no history? Good luck - Marc >>> gjgkerrtx at ktc.com 1/11/2006 3:46 AM >>> Today i recieved my Nakamichi RX-303 that I paid 150.00 for, plus shipping. It was advertised in "flawlwss condition", and as an original owner machine. Well, Powered it up and it didnt play or autoreverse, although it rewinds and fastforewards ok. Wow, first Nak Ive bought on e-bay and its a dud.Hopefully the guy will refund my bread, but im still out shipping both ways(about 50.00).I need to have a much better head about which auctions to bid on, and about which people to deal with in general.I let my love of the RX303's blind me to asking questions about the unit and felling out the description , which was brief and minimal.An old machine from a original owner who has usewd it for years is suspect to having wear and tear, obviously...D'OH!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846493691&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 11 09:38:37 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:38:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX-303 ,Ebay Message-ID: Whoops!! Retract that then........ MH >>> gjgkerrtx at ktc.com 1/11/2006 5:06 AM >>> Heres an update on one of the Rx-303's i recieved on E-Bay that i had posted was inoperable..... The guy( a Dr.) , e-mailed me saying it had been several years since he used the deck.The gentleman did offer a full refund; a class act! I fiddled around with the auto-reverse mechanism and sprayed some Silicon into the sluggish turning mechanism and now it autoreverses and plays perfect!! He told me it had been sveral years since the deck had been operated.The deck was dusty, but appears excellent plus overall.It appears my judgement was correct on this magnificent Nak. RX-303 unit! The sound and operation is superb, and I am listening to it now through 'phones.Wow , what a great deck!!Nice deal for 150.00 plus ship! -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 10:00:33 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:00:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <20060111020331.61333.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f701c6168d$7b34de60$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Close to master tape sound - that used to be said of the Pink Triangle Anniversary. They are rarely ever seen on eBay and when new (about 10-15 years ago?) cost around £2k, I think. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 11 January 2006 02:04 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables The SME 30 is a real pain to get working right. But when it does..wow..its really so close to master tape sound! Ron wrote: Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Dr Dub, > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. Perhaps the > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > Bala > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > sound (to > my ears;-) Joh! n Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the Orbe. > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that respect;-) > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > had the > chance to get me one :'( > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ! Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 10:15:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:15:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <00f701c6168d$7b34de60$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060111091547.30280.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Graham, The phrase used to be often misused. The pink triangle is good, but it doesn't make it to the upper echelons of what I'd call 'Super-Tables'. Super tables? Think, Micro Seiki! Thorens Reference! VPI TNT! Clearaudio Reference,!The La Luce! Zarathustra! Nakamichi 1000! When I heard the Cleareaudio Reference with its three individual motors. power supplies, Linear Arm riding the Insider, I was awestruck! You could fill the timbre and dynamics in your skin and the sheer scale of the musicians sitting in front of you! Wow... Nelson wrote: Close to master tape sound - that used to be said of the Pink Triangle Anniversary. They are rarely ever seen on eBay and when new (about 10-15 years ago?) cost around £2k, I think. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 11 January 2006 02:04 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables The SME 30 is a real pain to get working right. But when it does..wow..its really so close to master tape sound! Ron wrote: Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Dr Dub, > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. Perhaps the > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > Bala > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > sound (to > my ears;-) Joh! n Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the Orbe. > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that respect;-) > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > had the > chance to get me one :'( > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ! 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 11:35:42 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:35:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: <20060111025649.38501.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010d01c6169a$c6030860$b29487d9@oemcomputer> I do not pretend to be anything like an expert in this area of FM so I am not in a position to judge what I have been told, which is that tuners made for particular countries, such as the USA, have to realigned to suit UK broadcasts or else they do not sound as good as they might ... and presumably the opposite would be true, too. Therefore, grey imports of US tuners may not sound as good as a Leak in the UK but might trounce it in the USA. Nevertheless, the likes of Fisher, Scott and, even to a large extent, McIntosh were hard, if not impossible, to buy new in the UK when HJ Leak was in his prime, and even now they are very rare. Given that, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable for a magazine aimed primarily at UK-based hi fi enthusiasts to concentrate on products they are more likely to find, be that a speaker, amp or cassette player. Indeed, you will find that a majority of UK Nakamichi fans, if they don't belong to NakTalk, will not have heard of some of the best Nakamichi cassette recorders because so few of them were imported to the UK for selling. Only the Dragon and CR7 are well known. The ZX7/9 or ZXL's were/are virtually unheard of. Thence, you will probably not find any reviews of them in the archives of UK fi fi magazines. One must remember the UK is only a small island and has a very finite market with the disposable income high enough to have bought those finds of goods. The reverse is often true, too. Stereophile magazine seems primarily aimed at the North American market and it often includes exotica that can't be bought in the UK, which leaves readers like myself with mixed feelings - good that I am more aware there is hi fi Life outside of the UK and bad that I can't hear any of it! However, at least in Stereophile magazine they seem to look into markets beyond the US, too - I seem to recall seeing a piece once about a turntable maker in Slovakia, or one of the East European countries, whose products were reckoned to be excellent but harder than rocking horse dung to find in the US or UK. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 11 January 2006 02:57 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Hi Graham, The Leak isn't a bad sounding tuner, until it runs into some serious competition in the likes of Fisher, Scott 310E and the McIntosh MR65. I am not really a tuner person due to the compressed aweful FM broadcasts in my country. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 11:59:30 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:59:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables Message-ID: Shalom Gra' Is I recall well, such "Pink Triangle" whole line, before the "Anniversary"...were less fancy & expensive tables...were similarly in demeanour; to the...Nak ZXL series VERY NOT RELIABLE!. Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:00:33 -0000 > >Close to master tape sound - that used to be said of the Pink Triangle >Anniversary. They are rarely ever seen on eBay and when new (about 10-15 >years ago?) cost around �2k, I think. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 11 January 2006 02:04 > To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables > > > The SME 30 is a real pain to get working right. But when it >does..wow..its >really so close to master tape sound! > > Ron wrote: > > > Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or > the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? > > -- Ron > > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Dr Dub, > > > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. Perhaps the > > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > > > Bala > > > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > > sound (to > > my ears;-) Joh! n Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the >Orbe. > > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that >respect;-) > > > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > > had the > > chance to get me one :'( > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ! Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands >ASAP. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From al2134aa at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 12:05:37 2006 From: al2134aa at yahoo.com (Alfred Clarkson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:05:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? Message-ID: <20060111110537.52755.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is a sqeak when going into stop on my 660zx. Seems to be a known problem, according to Scott Johnson's web page: "The Nak decks that use the classic mechanism (not the Sankyo mechanism) are prone to developing a noise when changing modes, especially when going into stop. This is caused by the oil on the cam drive gear drying out. The simple fix is to add a drop of oil to the gear shaft." And there is also Nakamichi tech bulletin also on the web page. My question is: exactly what type of oil should I use, and is there a good place online to get it? Or does Radio Shack have it? Thanks for any help on this. I want to make sure I use _exactly_ the right oil. Seems like that would be a lot smarter than just spraying the entire interior of the machine with a good coat of WD40. (Last part is a joke). --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 12:37:54 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:37:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? Message-ID: Shalom Alfred! I lubricated my Dragon, with "Super Lube" (A multi-purpose synthetic oil with Teflon) a TM of Synco Chemical Corp., in Bohemia N.Y. 11716 USA. No problem at all since was received and lubricated a year and half ago! I hope that I help you! Greetings, ALEX! >From: Alfred Clarkson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:05:37 -0800 (PST) > > There is a sqeak when going into stop on my 660zx. Seems to be a known >problem, according to Scott Johnson's web page: > > "The Nak decks that use the classic mechanism (not the Sankyo mechanism) >are prone to developing a noise when changing modes, especially when going >into stop. This is caused by the oil on the cam drive gear drying out. >The simple fix is to add a drop of oil to the gear shaft." And there is >also Nakamichi tech bulletin also on the web page. > > My question is: exactly what type of oil should I use, and is there a >good place online to get it? Or does Radio Shack have it? > > Thanks for any help on this. I want to make sure I use _exactly_ the >right oil. Seems like that would be a lot smarter than just spraying the >entire interior of the machine with a good coat of WD40. (Last part is a >joke). > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands >ASAP. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 12:38:50 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:38:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? In-Reply-To: <20060111110537.52755.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060111113850.11505.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Try silicon oil which helps metal and plastic joints. I prefer Cramolin Bala Alfred Clarkson wrote: There is a sqeak when going into stop on my 660zx. Seems to be a known problem, according to Scott Johnson's web page: "The Nak decks that use the classic mechanism (not the Sankyo mechanism) are prone to developing a noise when changing modes, especially when going into stop. This is caused by the oil on the cam drive gear drying out. The simple fix is to add a drop of oil to the gear shaft." And there is also Nakamichi tech bulletin also on the web page. My question is: exactly what type of oil should I use, and is there a good place online to get it? Or does Radio Shack have it? Thanks for any help on this. I want to make sure I use _exactly_ the right oil. Seems like that would be a lot smarter than just spraying the entire interior of the machine with a good coat of WD40. (Last part is a joke). --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 12:42:15 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:42:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060111114215.36815.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, Came across this article in yahoo news. http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 Regards Bala 79 Labs --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 13:14:52 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:14:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <012a01c616a8$a002e960$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Ha! Ha! Yes, Alex, but not so much "unreliable" as poorly constructed so that they failed to perform as well as they should have done. Their distinctive "Pink Triangle sound" was usually due to the fact that they tended to run slightly too fast, this being due to the drive gear having been machined imprecisely. This could not be fixed without taking the thing apart and shaving off some metal from the gear with a lathe or adding substance to the belt drive rim of the platter. At least with the ZXL one does not have that kind of inherent engineering problem. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 11 January 2006 11:00 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables > > > Shalom Gra' > > Is I recall well, such "Pink Triangle" whole line, before the > "Anniversary"...were less fancy & expensive tables...were similarly in > demeanour; to the...Nak ZXL series VERY NOT RELIABLE!. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 13:39:36 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:39:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables Message-ID: My lovely Gra' Thank you for recalling my memory, what was exactly the defect, on those Pink Triangle tables.! Linn was since 1972 when was released...much better engineering...till last year, when I hear a rumor that Linn decided to produce turntables!!!!Pity!!!! Be well! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:14:52 -0000 > >Ha! Ha! Yes, Alex, but not so much "unreliable" as poorly constructed so >that they failed to perform as well as they should have done. Their >distinctive "Pink Triangle sound" was usually due to the fact that they >tended to run slightly too fast, this being due to the drive gear having >been machined imprecisely. This could not be fixed without taking the >thing >apart and shaving off some metal from the gear with a lathe or adding >substance to the belt drive rim of the platter. At least with the ZXL one >does not have that kind of inherent engineering problem. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 11 January 2006 11:00 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables > > > > > > Shalom Gra' > > > > Is I recall well, such "Pink Triangle" whole line, before the > > "Anniversary"...were less fancy & expensive tables...were similarly in > > demeanour; to the...Nak ZXL series VERY NOT RELIABLE!. > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Jan 11 14:59:39 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:59:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - Original Owner(item 5846493691 end time Jan-01-06 16:11:06 PST) References: Message-ID: <005301c616b7$46d66600$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "jerryjg" > > Today i recieved my Nakamichi RX-303 that I paid 150.00 for, plus > shipping. It was advertised in "flawlwss condition", and as an original > owner machine. Well, Powered it up and it didnt play or autoreverse, > although it rewinds and fastforewards ok. Wow, first Nak Ive bought on > e-bay and its a dud.Hopefully the guy will refund my bread, but im still > out shipping both ways(about 50.00).I need to have a much better head > about which auctions to bid on, and about which people to deal with in > general.I let my love of the RX303's blind me to asking questions about > the unit and felling out the description , which was brief and minimal.An > old machine from a original owner who has usewd it for years is suspect to > having wear and tear, obviously...D'OH!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846493691&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1 Given the item description "It has worked flawlessly for many years and continues to do so", there's no reason you should have to pay for the shipping (either way). You really shouldn't be expected to ask questions when the seller says that it works flawlessly - and playing a tape is a pretty fundamental feature of a tape deck. Don't threaten the seller with negative feedback, as I believe that's against ebay policy, but make it clear to them that the item you received was not in the working condition that was described and you feel it's unreasonable to expect you to cover the shipping. If the seller will not cover the shipping costs, leave them negative feedback - they already gave you positive feedback, so you're in the drivers seat. Sellers need to be held accountable for their item descriptions - the deck obviously would have sold for less money (or not at all) if the description was accurate. Good luck with it, -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Jan 11 15:07:06 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:07:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - OriginalOwner(item 5846493691 end time Jan-01-06 16:11:06 PST) References: <005301c616b7$46d66600$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: <00b101c616b8$51fa9cd0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Nevermind - sounds like the issue has been resolved, which is even better. The seller certainly set himself up for negative feedback though - people need to test things out before listing them as you never can know what has happened to something that hasn't been used for a number of years. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - OriginalOwner(item 5846493691 end time Jan-01-06 16:11:06 PST) > From: "jerryjg" > >> >> Today i recieved my Nakamichi RX-303 that I paid 150.00 for, plus >> shipping. It was advertised in "flawlwss condition", and as an original >> owner machine. Well, Powered it up and it didnt play or autoreverse, >> although it rewinds and fastforewards ok. Wow, first Nak Ive bought on >> e-bay and its a dud.Hopefully the guy will refund my bread, but im still >> out shipping both ways(about 50.00).I need to have a much better head >> about which auctions to bid on, and about which people to deal with in >> general.I let my love of the RX303's blind me to asking questions about >> the unit and felling out the description , which was brief and minimal.An >> old machine from a original owner who has usewd it for years is suspect >> to having wear and tear, obviously...D'OH!! >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846493691&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1 > > > Given the item description "It has worked flawlessly for many years and > continues to do so", there's no reason you should have to pay for the > shipping (either way). You really shouldn't be expected to ask questions > when the seller says that it works flawlessly - and playing a tape is a > pretty fundamental feature of a tape deck. Don't threaten the seller with > negative feedback, as I believe that's against ebay policy, but make it > clear to them that the item you received was not in the working condition > that was described and you feel it's unreasonable to expect you to cover > the shipping. If the seller will not cover the shipping costs, leave them > negative feedback - they already gave you positive feedback, so you're in > the drivers seat. Sellers need to be held accountable for their item > descriptions - the deck obviously would have sold for less money (or not > at all) if the description was accurate. > > Good luck with it, > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From fugue4all at shaw.ca Wed Jan 11 15:07:17 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:07:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing References: <200601110533.k0B5XNPZ032608@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <006901c616b8$5490ff20$8902a8c0@warbird> This is a snip from an email from Stephen when he shipped my CR7--he's been using MEK for years and never found a problem. BTW, you can also clean any of the white nylon parts like the mode cams no problem with the stuff. It's the black and transparent styrene that will be scarred. "Yes, same MEK you'd buy in quart or gallon cans in paint supply & hardware stores. Nothing better for heads, rollers & etc. Just don't get any on the styrene plastics that comprise the cosmetic parts of a deck, esp. the meter window." In a moment of paranoia, I bought a quart of S721, believing somehow that the MEK would damage the rubber--silly me! But now I have a choice of two to use to fuzz me brains.... ;-) Paul > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning > I believe Stephen said the MEK was fine for the rubber pinch rollers > too. It's the plastic parts that it should be kept away from. > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.16/225 - Release Date: 1/9/2006 From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Jan 11 15:18:47 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 9:18:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - Original Owner Message-ID: <20060111141816.NDPW19943.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Jerry, I have some equipment that is from 1984 and it is flawless because I take care of my stuff. So, I don't think it's fair to assume that because something is 20+ years old that it MUST have wear and tear. If this guy advertises that it was fully operational and flawless, then push the fact that HE is responsible for shipping. The item wasn't damaged during shipping as it left his HOUSE in that condition. It was not advertised properly and use the eBay complaint process. I have in the past and you'd be surprised how a seller changes their tune after they see you've filed a Buyer's Complaint. > > From: jerryjg > Date: 2006/01/10 Tue PM 08:46:10 EST > To: NAKTALK at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - Original Owner > (item 5846493691 end time Jan-01-06 16:11:06 PST) > > > Today i recieved my Nakamichi RX-303 that I paid 150.00 for, plus > shipping. It was advertised in "flawlwss condition", and as an original > owner machine. Well, Powered it up and it didnt play or autoreverse, > although it rewinds and fastforewards ok. Wow, first Nak Ive bought on > e-bay and its a dud.Hopefully the guy will refund my bread, but im still > out shipping both ways(about 50.00).I need to have a much better head > about which auctions to bid on, and about which people to deal with in > general.I let my love of the RX303's blind me to asking questions about > the unit and felling out the description , which was brief and minimal.An > old machine from a original owner who has usewd it for years is suspect to > having wear and tear, > obviously...D'OH!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846493691&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1 > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ti at amb.org Wed Jan 11 16:52:05 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:52:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results Message-ID: <20060111155205.700A025C40@smtp.amb.org> Hi all, I got inspired to check the performance of my CR-7A, so I ran some RMAA tests ( Rightmark Audio Analyzer http://audio.rightmark.org ) on it. This checks the frequency response, noise level, dynamic range, THD, IMD and stereo crosstalk. The test was performed via a Toshiba laptop PC and a M-Audio Firewire Audiophile external sound interface (in 32b/96KHz mode), which has excellent baseline performance. The following is a "loopback" test of the sound interface itself to establish the lower threshold of measurement. As you can see, the M-Audio's test results are fantastic. http://www.amb.org/rmaa/Firewire_Audiophile_loopback_20050630_32b_96k.htm My CR-7A is an early unit, still has the idler tire mechanism (although the idler tire is new), but I had performed the EQ upgrade modification as per the Nakamichi technical bulletin. I ran a series of four tests. The first one is a "loopback" test with the Tape Monitor switch on the CR-7A set to "Source", and the level was adjusted for 0dB reading on the meter. This measures the performance of the input and output audio circuitry within the CR-7 without the tape. Then the next three tests were all combined record+playback using a TDK MA-XG (new style with opaque dark green casing), also at 0dB readout with Dolby off, Dolby B and Dolby C. The comparison results are here: http://www.amb.org/rmaa/comparison_nakamichi_cr7a_ma-xg_0dB_20060111.htm I am pleasantly surprised that the measured results handily met or exceeded Nakamichi's published specifications. I also checked my test results against those published by Audio, High Fidelity and Stereo Review Magazines from the 1980s and again it either matched or bested their results. Note that these are run at 0dB, not the usual -20dB. It is noteworthy that there is a small droop in the high-end response with Dolby enabled, it is more pronounced with Dolby B than C, but nevertheless all response curves managed to extend close to (or beyond) 20KHz at the -3dB point. The THD results are also interesting. Nakamichi specifies no more than 0.8%, yet I measured much less than that in all cases. The noise performance also exceeded the factory specs slightly. The noise graph shows the effect of Dolby B and C vs. no NR. What is also interesting is that the use of Dolby C also cut the IMD in half, probably because Dolby C actually helps reduce tape saturation in addition to reducing noise. When I find the time, I might run these tests with other tape formulations as well as on my Nakamichi Dragon to see how it stacks up. -Ti From rob at rhoag.com Wed Jan 11 17:24:26 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:24:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. In-Reply-To: <20060111114215.36815.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Interesting, but who is this guy John Blau, IDG News Service and what cradentials does he have to be making these claims... he makes no referece to his sources, etc. I wouldn't believe everything you read. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:42 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. Hi everyone, Came across this article in yahoo news. http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 Regards Bala 79 Labs Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Jan 11 17:36:43 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:36:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results Message-ID: <43C5341B.2030305@gte.net> Ti says: When I find the time, I might run these tests with other tape formulations as well as on my Nakamichi Dragon to see how it stacks up. Ken says: Ti, That is very cool! Nice work with the tests! Yes I am very interested to see how the dragon stacks up. I can clearly see now the trade off with using Dolby C vs. no Dolby. You exchange some headroom for more air. Thanks for putting this together for us. From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Jan 11 17:46:14 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:46:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results References: <20060111155205.700A025C40@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <089301c616ce$88dd33f0$6801a8c0@Rondo> Hello Ti, I would be very interested to see how Maxell XLII stacks up against their XLII-S formulation, especially since you do have the EQ mod. Ron W. Hi all, I got inspired to check the performance of my CR-7A, so I ran some RMAA tests ( Rightmark Audio Analyzer http://audio.rightmark.org ) on it. This checks the frequency response, noise level, dynamic range, THD, IMD and stereo crosstalk. The test was performed via a Toshiba laptop PC and a M-Audio Firewire Audiophile external sound interface (in 32b/96KHz mode), which has excellent baseline performance. The following is a "loopback" test of the sound interface itself to establish the lower threshold of measurement. As you can see, the M-Audio's test results are fantastic. http://www.amb.org/rmaa/Firewire_Audiophile_loopback_20050630_32b_96k.htm My CR-7A is an early unit, still has the idler tire mechanism (although the idler tire is new), but I had performed the EQ upgrade modification as per the Nakamichi technical bulletin. I ran a series of four tests. The first one is a "loopback" test with the Tape Monitor switch on the CR-7A set to "Source", and the level was adjusted for 0dB reading on the meter. This measures the performance of the input and output audio circuitry within the CR-7 without the tape. Then the next three tests were all combined record+playback using a TDK MA-XG (new style with opaque dark green casing), also at 0dB readout with Dolby off, Dolby B and Dolby C. The comparison results are here: http://www.amb.org/rmaa/comparison_nakamichi_cr7a_ma-xg_0dB_20060111.htm I am pleasantly surprised that the measured results handily met or exceeded Nakamichi's published specifications. I also checked my test results against those published by Audio, High Fidelity and Stereo Review Magazines from the 1980s and again it either matched or bested their results. Note that these are run at 0dB, not the usual -20dB. It is noteworthy that there is a small droop in the high-end response with Dolby enabled, it is more pronounced with Dolby B than C, but nevertheless all response curves managed to extend close to (or beyond) 20KHz at the -3dB point. The THD results are also interesting. Nakamichi specifies no more than 0.8%, yet I measured much less than that in all cases. The noise performance also exceeded the factory specs slightly. The noise graph shows the effect of Dolby B and C vs. no NR. What is also interesting is that the use of Dolby C also cut the IMD in half, probably because Dolby C actually helps reduce tape saturation in addition to reducing noise. When I find the time, I might run these tests with other tape formulations as well as on my Nakamichi Dragon to see how it stacks up. -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 18:00:58 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:00:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <013e01c616d0$97b26f60$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Actually, I don't think it's relevant who John Blau is as he is just a journalist. It's who he is quoting that's important and Kurt Gerecke really is a physicist and IBM's data storage expert, which makes me want to sit up and listen I've already emailed the link to a colleague who is our company archivist because I know he is using CD-R to capture and archive digital documents ... which he started to do about 2 years ago ... Uh oh ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 11 January 2006 16:24 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > > Interesting, but who is this guy John Blau, IDG News Service and what > cradentials does he have to be making these claims... he makes no referece > to his sources, etc. I wouldn't believe everything you read. > > Doane > From marc at stager.com Wed Jan 11 18:16:08 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:16:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? In-Reply-To: <200601111556.k0BFt9Mm002122@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601111556.k0BFt9Mm002122@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060111120631.02a2c450@stager.com> I had a similar problem with my 670ZX, the one I have on eBay. The problem wasn't lubrication at all, and the machine was working perfectly in every way. There are two belts in this and and other models with similar transports (the 660 and 680 series): the servo belt and the drive belt. The problem was that the servo belt had stretched out and was making an annoying squeaking sound when it moved the heads in and out of position; when stopping, starting, pausing. An inexpensive generic replacement solved the problem. I didn't have to do anything else. Unlike the drive belt, this one does not need to be an expensive precision belt ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- > There is a sqeak when going into stop on my 660zx. >Seems to be a known problem, according to Scott Johnson's web page: > > "The Nak decks that use the classic mechanism (not the Sankyo mechanism) >are prone to developing a noise when changing modes, especially when >going into stop. >This is caused by the oil on the cam drive gear drying out. The >simple fix is to add >a drop of oil to the gear shaft." >And there is also Nakamichi tech bulletin also on the web page. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 18:30:00 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:30:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? Message-ID: Shalom Mark! So...exist the possibility, that my lovely Dragon; will need also a belt replacement...when will make sooner or later "Squeaking sounds", when change the playback direction automatically as I like to set it pressing the bottom...for enjoy listening both sides of any cassette continuously...or I'm wrong? Thank you Mark for your input, Cheers, ALEX! >From: Marc Stager >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] re: proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:16:08 -0500 > >I had a similar problem with my 670ZX, the one I have on eBay. >The problem wasn't lubrication at all, and the machine was working >perfectly in every way. > >There are two belts in this and and other models with similar transports >(the 660 and 680 series): the servo belt and the drive belt. > >The problem was that the servo belt had stretched out and was making >an annoying squeaking sound when it moved the heads in and out of >position; when stopping, starting, pausing. An inexpensive generic >replacement solved the problem. I didn't have to do anything else. > >Unlike the drive belt, this one does not need to be an expensive >precision belt > >____________ Marc Stager >Stager Sound Systems >http://marc.stager.com/ > >-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- > >> There is a sqeak when going into stop on my 660zx. >>Seems to be a known problem, according to Scott Johnson's web page: >> >> "The Nak decks that use the classic mechanism (not the Sankyo mechanism) >>are prone to developing a noise when changing modes, especially when going >>into stop. >>This is caused by the oil on the cam drive gear drying out. The simple >>fix is to add >>a drop of oil to the gear shaft." >>And there is also Nakamichi tech bulletin also on the web page. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 18:38:58 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:38:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <006901c616b8$5490ff20$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <20060111173858.83569.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW, a quart! That should last you a while. I still have my 2 oz bottle of the old stuff. S-711. Got it a long time ago, before it they switched from 1,1,1 trichoroethane to Hexane which is what's in S-721. I think the switch was because of risk to the ozone layer or maybe cancer, not sure. SJ --- Paul Dingle wrote: > This is a snip from an email from Stephen when he shipped my > CR7--he's been > using MEK for years and never found a problem. BTW, you can also > clean any > of the white nylon parts like the mode cams no problem with the > stuff. It's > the black and transparent styrene that will be scarred. > > "Yes, same MEK you'd buy in quart or gallon cans in paint supply & > hardware > stores. Nothing > better for heads, rollers & etc. Just don't get any on the styrene > plastics > that comprise the cosmetic parts of a deck, esp. the meter window." > > In a moment of paranoia, I bought a quart of S721, believing > somehow that > the MEK would damage the rubber--silly me! But now I have a choice > of two > to use to fuzz me brains.... ;-) > > Paul > > > > > From: Scott Johnson > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning > > > I believe Stephen said the MEK was fine for the rubber pinch > rollers > > too. It's the plastic parts that it should be kept away from. > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.16/225 - Release Date: > 1/9/2006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Wed Jan 11 20:48:14 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:48:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. In-Reply-To: <013e01c616d0$97b26f60$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Yes, but that's one persons opinion only, Blau should have looked into it deeper if he is going to do an accurate report... there are lots of articles on CD life spans and the accelerated testing that's been done under controlled condtions. It's true that cheaper disks would fall under his description, but from what I've read the good quality disks will last much longer the even the 5 year limits he put on it. And his suggesting using tape as a safer storage medium doesn't make sense when he doesn't discuss the problems of cheap tape formulations or the dangers of magnetic fields, etc. I'm just saying that I think the article could have covered a lot more on this and done a better job, instead of the sort of limited viewpoint scar tactic given. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:01 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] There is hope.. Actually, I don't think it's relevant who John Blau is as he is just a journalist. It's who he is quoting that's important and Kurt Gerecke really is a physicist and IBM's data storage expert, which makes me want to sit up and listen I've already emailed the link to a colleague who is our company archivist because I know he is using CD-R to capture and archive digital documents ... which he started to do about 2 years ago ... Uh oh ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 11 January 2006 16:24 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > > Interesting, but who is this guy John Blau, IDG News Service and what > cradentials does he have to be making these claims... he makes no referece > to his sources, etc. I wouldn't believe everything you read. > > Doane > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 11 21:14:46 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:14:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C56736.2080303@rcn.com> LOL! I must be very lucky with my wife. Whenever I come down with the desire (nay! the *need*) for a new toy, she sweetly says, 'sure, go ahead and get it'. (She may then mutter something under her breath, but it's often in Spanish and I usually don't understand Spanish :-) ). -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Bravo Bala...STILL FIRM...NO matter whatever you new wife will say!!!! > > Happens with mine (27 years of marriage), all the time I acquired > something new or received a gift...SHE MUST...say > something...seriously...I'm tired...of hearing her! > > That's is our life when we have some "HOBBY"...NOT so common > comprehended by any WIFE....! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:11 -0800 (PST) >> >> Hi Kermit, >> >> Thanks! I see the difference in various people as to how they >> esteem their Naks. Having got recently married, my dad's advised me to >> 'clear some of the decks out'. My reply, in front of my new wife is, >> "Over my dead body". Then comes your good self, who has names your >> valuable decks and have waxed lyrical about the 600 (which I found was >> entirely true after hearing my own 600!). I would also like to mention >> Alex, who stands firmly by his Dragon. There are many others who also >> believe in their Naks, which may not be right up there, but gives them >> that 60 minutes (for a C60 tape) of bliss. And they are loyal and >> faithful to their deck for that. I respect you gentlemen and I learn >> from the passion of each and every one of you. >> >> from my memory, >> Cassette Decks: >> Nak 700 >> Nak 700 II >> Nak 600 >> Nak 670ZX >> Nak 680ZX (4) >> Nak 700ZXL (3) >> Nak 1000ZXL (3) >> Nak Dragon >> Nak CR7 >> Nak DR10 >> Aiwa F990 >> Aiwa XK009 Excelia >> Aiwa AD 6700 (2) >> Technics RS-M95 >> >> Regards >> Bala Ganesh >> 79 Labs >> >> "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Keith, >> >> Keith Dawson wrote: >> > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the >> > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only >> > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! >> >> I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" >> that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At >> the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel >> slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these >> older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly >> Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have >> only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's >> slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. >> >> I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be >> repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In >> truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent >> anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe >> 600 series. >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 21:48:44 2006 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:48:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <20060111173858.83569.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <016301c616f0$6956dbe0$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Don't worry, Scott, the effects of Global Warming (ozone depletion) will probably get us all before the cancer gets you!! ;oD Grinham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Scott Johnson > Sent: 11 January 2006 17:39 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing > > > WOW, a quart! That should last you a while. I still have my 2 oz > bottle of the old stuff. S-711. Got it a long time ago, before it > they switched from 1,1,1 trichoroethane to Hexane which is what's in > S-721. I think the switch was because of risk to the ozone layer or > maybe cancer, not sure. > > SJ > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 21:54:22 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:54:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <016401c616f1$32c77660$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Fair point and, of course, Gerecke is probably talking only about computer data storage anyway, not music storage. However, he does have stronger empirical evidence for tape as the medium has been used for a much longer period of time ... but not 100 years, of course!! Time will tell ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 11 January 2006 19:48 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > > > Yes, but that's one persons opinion only, Blau should have looked into it > deeper if he is going to do an accurate report... there are lots > of articles > on CD life spans and the accelerated testing that's been done under > controlled condtions. It's true that cheaper disks would fall under his > description, but from what I've read the good quality disks will last much > longer the even the 5 year limits he put on it. And his suggesting using > tape as a safer storage medium doesn't make sense when he doesn't discuss > the problems of cheap tape formulations or the dangers of magnetic fields, > etc. I'm just saying that I think the article could have covered > a lot more > on this and done a better job, instead of the sort of limited > viewpoint scar > tactic given. > > Doane > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 21:54:23 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:54:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <43C56736.2080303@rcn.com> Message-ID: <016501c616f1$33b0ec00$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Ron Your wife sounds wonderful - does she have a sister? I'm thinking of trading my wife in for a new model ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 11 January 2006 20:15 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 > > > > LOL! I must be very lucky with my wife. Whenever I come > down with the desire (nay! the *need*) for a new toy, > she sweetly says, 'sure, go ahead and get it'. (She may > then mutter something under her breath, but it's often > in Spanish and I usually don't understand Spanish :-) ). > > -- Ron > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 11 21:55:16 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:55:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <006901c616b8$5490ff20$8902a8c0@warbird> References: <200601110533.k0B5XNPZ032608@zxe.naks.com> <006901c616b8$5490ff20$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <43C570B4.1040301@rcn.com> MEK will definitely damage plastic and paint. As a matter of fact, I use it to strip paint off older instrument cases prior to repainting. MEK will also dry out rubber. Unless I was forced to -- and I never was -- I'll stick with alcohol and use *that* sparingly. That's me. Others -- including Stephen -- are certainly entitled to their respective opinions. -- Ron Paul Dingle wrote: > This is a snip from an email from Stephen when he shipped my CR7--he's been > using MEK for years and never found a problem. BTW, you can also clean any > of the white nylon parts like the mode cams no problem with the stuff. It's > the black and transparent styrene that will be scarred. > > "Yes, same MEK you'd buy in quart or gallon cans in paint supply & hardware > stores. Nothing > better for heads, rollers & etc. Just don't get any on the styrene plastics > that comprise the cosmetic parts of a deck, esp. the meter window." > > In a moment of paranoia, I bought a quart of S721, believing somehow that > the MEK would damage the rubber--silly me! But now I have a choice of two > to use to fuzz me brains.... ;-) > > Paul > > > > >>From: Scott Johnson >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning > > >>I believe Stephen said the MEK was fine for the rubber pinch rollers >>too. It's the plastic parts that it should be kept away from. >> >> > > > > From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 22:03:59 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:03:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-3 tuner In-Reply-To: <010d01c6169a$c6030860$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone on the list ever heard of or used a Nakamichi ST-3 tuner before? I have only heard of the ST-7, so I presume the ST-3 is a lesser known little brother to the ST-7? From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 11 22:23:33 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:23:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results In-Reply-To: <20060111155205.700A025C40@smtp.amb.org> References: <20060111155205.700A025C40@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <43C57755.1070905@rcn.com> Thanks for the pointer to the RMAA program. My CR-7 doesn't sound quite as wonderful as it sounded 7 years ago, after Stephen calibrated it. This is a good time to replace all orange caps, along with all electrolytic caps in the audio path, as this would necessitate recalibration, anyway. This is a time consuming project, that has been on the back burner for quite some time now. I was planning on testing the deck before and after recapping and calibration, to see what, if any, the improvement was. Originally, I intended to use my harmonic distortion and IM distortion meters. These are still useful for service, but I would now like to use a PC. It's got to be more fun... -- Ron Ti Kan wrote: > Hi all, > > I got inspired to check the performance of my CR-7A, so I ran some RMAA > tests ( Rightmark Audio Analyzer http://audio.rightmark.org ) on it. > This checks the frequency response, noise level, dynamic range, THD, > IMD and stereo crosstalk. > > The test was performed via a Toshiba laptop PC and a M-Audio Firewire > Audiophile external sound interface (in 32b/96KHz mode), which has > excellent baseline performance. The following is a "loopback" test of > the sound interface itself to establish the lower threshold of measurement. > As you can see, the M-Audio's test results are fantastic. > > http://www.amb.org/rmaa/Firewire_Audiophile_loopback_20050630_32b_96k.htm > > My CR-7A is an early unit, still has the idler tire mechanism (although > the idler tire is new), but I had performed the EQ upgrade modification > as per the Nakamichi technical bulletin. > > I ran a series of four tests. The first one is a "loopback" test with > the Tape Monitor switch on the CR-7A set to "Source", and the level was > adjusted for 0dB reading on the meter. This measures the performance of > the input and output audio circuitry within the CR-7 without the tape. > Then the next three tests were all combined record+playback using a TDK > MA-XG (new style with opaque dark green casing), also at 0dB readout > with Dolby off, Dolby B and Dolby C. The comparison results are here: > > http://www.amb.org/rmaa/comparison_nakamichi_cr7a_ma-xg_0dB_20060111.htm > > I am pleasantly surprised that the measured results handily met or exceeded > Nakamichi's published specifications. I also checked my test results > against those published by Audio, High Fidelity and Stereo Review Magazines > from the 1980s and again it either matched or bested their results. > > Note that these are run at 0dB, not the usual -20dB. It is noteworthy that > there is a small droop in the high-end response with Dolby enabled, it is > more pronounced with Dolby B than C, but nevertheless all response curves > managed to extend close to (or beyond) 20KHz at the -3dB point. > > The THD results are also interesting. Nakamichi specifies no more than > 0.8%, yet I measured much less than that in all cases. The noise performance > also exceeded the factory specs slightly. The noise graph shows the > effect of Dolby B and C vs. no NR. What is also interesting is that > the use of Dolby C also cut the IMD in half, probably because Dolby C > actually helps reduce tape saturation in addition to reducing noise. > > When I find the time, I might run these tests with other tape formulations > as well as on my Nakamichi Dragon to see how it stacks up. > > -Ti From rondo at nottltd.com Thu Jan 12 00:02:34 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:02:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing References: <20060111173858.83569.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0c2701c61703$1c14e530$6801a8c0@Rondo> Does anyone know how to contact US Recording? When I click on their "email" button, it shows this address salesUSR at usrecordingmedia.com When I send them an email I get a non delivery notice that says 554 5.7.1 Command rejected Is there a different email address for them or an 800 number? Ron W. WOW, a quart! That should last you a while. I still have my 2 oz bottle of the old stuff. S-711. Got it a long time ago, before it they switched from 1,1,1 trichoroethane to Hexane which is what's in S-721. I think the switch was because of risk to the ozone layer or maybe cancer, not sure. SJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 12 00:17:13 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:17:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <0c2701c61703$1c14e530$6801a8c0@Rondo> References: <20060111173858.83569.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0c2701c61703$1c14e530$6801a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43C591F9.60202@yahoo.ca> You could try webmaster at usrecordingmedia.com and tell that the e-mail doesn't work. Maybe that this e-mail doesn't exist either tho. Ron Walton a écrit : > Does anyone know how to contact US Recording? When I click on their > "email" button, it shows this address salesUSR at usrecordingmedia.com > > > When I send them an email I get a non delivery notice that says 554 > 5.7.1 Command rejected > Is there a different email address for them or an 800 number? > > Ron W. > > > WOW, a quart! That should last you a while. I still have my 2 oz > bottle of the old stuff. S-711. Got it a long time ago, before it > they switched from 1,1,1 trichoroethane to Hexane which is what's in > S-721. I think the switch was because of risk to the ozone layer or > maybe cancer, not sure. > > SJ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I still have my 2 oz bottle of the old stuff. S-711. Got it a long time ago, before it they switched from 1,1,1 trichoroethane to Hexane which is what's in S-721. I think the switch was because of risk to the ozone layer or maybe cancer, not sure. SJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 12 00:47:46 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:47:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <0c8101c61708$1b878000$6801a8c0@Rondo> References: <20060111173858.83569.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com><0c2701c61703$1c14e530$6801a8c0@Rondo> <43C591F9.60202@yahoo.ca> <0c8101c61708$1b878000$6801a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43C59922.3090708@yahoo.ca> You could try salesUSR e-mail in a couple of hours to see if it works. I just found (With phone numbers and an other e-mail address): Telephone Contact: 1-610-317-9484 International: 1-610-317-9484 Mon-Fri 9-5PM Eastern. (After 5PM Eastern someone in customer service may still be here but no later than 7:00PM Eastern Time) *Shippable orders received before 1:00PM Eastern Time normally ship same day. For orders needed by a certain date always call us to verify stock and your shipping arrangement for the quantity of product you need before you place the order. Orders are shipped complete. We monitor our email live during normal business hours. If you're not sure what to order or have technical questions, please write to the following email addresses: Order Questions: salesUSR at usrecordingmedia.com Technical Information: techsupport at usrecordingmedia.com Antoine Deschênes Ron Walton a écrit : > That didn't take long to bounce back! When emailed to webmaster, it > had permanent fatal errors. > > Ron W. > > You could try webmaster at usrecordingmedia.com and tell that the > e-mail doesn't work. Maybe that this e-mail doesn't exist either tho. > > Ron Walton a écrit : >> Does anyone know how to contact US Recording? When I click on >> their "email" button, it shows this address >> salesUSR at usrecordingmedia.com >> >> When I send them an email I get a non delivery notice that says >> 554 5.7.1 Command rejected >> Is there a different email address for them or an 800 number? >> >> Ron W. > From ady at spamcop.net Thu Jan 12 01:07:23 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:07:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680 pinch roller In-Reply-To: <20060107054059.71282.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060107054059.71282.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5785B5A2-ACC4-4D67-A3A1-58D938CC3A97@spamcop.net> thanks for the advice.. i've been working on it tonight.. done the cam mode belt fine... works smoothly now.. i'm having problems getting this grease off though.. there's so little room to access this pivot.. Ive taken the bottom plate off and I've unscrewed the whole transport assembly and moved it back slightly but it still doesn't give me much more access.. it looks as if the cassette well backplate, if removed, would give more access.. is this easy? otherwise I'll just carry on with the IPA on a cotton bud and hope it frees it up.. thanks adrian On 7 Jan 2006, at 05:40, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Scott is right. I have had this problem on one of my 680ZXs.Get the > front panel off, remove the cassette compartment door and close the > door frame. Use a cotton tip with alcohol to gently work out the > hardened grease (usually yellow in colour). Apply some light oil > and gently work on roller pivot using your fingers. > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79 Labs > > Scott Johnson wrote: > No. The control belt is not related to your pinch roller problem. > You have hardened grease at the pivot point of the pinch roller. > When in play you should be able to force it up to engage the tape and > capstan. This is what SHOULD normally happen. You will need to > clean the grease out. Try a cleaning solvent or alcohol and a light > oil afterwards. It could take a while to get it t! o move freely > again. With the deck in play manually move it back and forth to work > in the cleaning solvent. > > SJ > > > > --- Adrian Finn wrote: > > > hi.. > > > > just been cleaning the heads of my 680 and noticed that the right > > hand (looking from the front) pinch roller doesn't move and engage > > > > with the capstan roller when in play... I've made several > > recordings recently and they sound fine though! 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URL: From esteyes at cox.net Thu Jan 12 02:00:37 2006 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:00:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] AC line conditioners (NNC) Message-ID: <43C5AA35.3030003@cox.net> greetings all, a while back i offered some line conditioners to the group. at the time i indicated they were all 220V devices, well further research has turned up that the two 16A 120V out devices from OneAC are capable of multiple ins as well as outs. one of the members on this list who owns a studio showed some interest until finding out they were 220v. so i still have them and thought to mention they were available and can do 120v AC for supply. they are CBS2120 units found here: http://www.oneac.com/download/files/935012fexcerptCBS.pdf thanx and i will now go back to lurking, unless someone has the parts to repair my 550 cassette door? neil From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 02:44:05 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:44:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060112014405.19782.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio Coding (AAC). Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the 14 million. SJ --- Fred Lifton wrote: > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a > > lot bad quality MP3 sound... > cheers anyway, > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) > > > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 > > > > Regards > > Bala > > 79 Labs > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sybarito at hotmail.com Thu Jan 12 03:06:04 2006 From: sybarito at hotmail.com (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:06:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-3 tuner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The ST-3 is an analog version of the ST-7...I had one before the ST-7 and I really liked it, specially the looks. Isy >From: "winnie pooh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-3 tuner >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:03:59 +0000 > > >Hi, > >Has anyone on the list ever heard of or used a Nakamichi ST-3 tuner before? >I have only heard of the ST-7, so I presume the ST-3 is a lesser known >little brother to the ST-7? > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 04:20:40 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:20:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? In-Reply-To: <20060111113850.11505.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060112032040.37072.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I 2nd the silicon oil. It doesn't get gummy like regular oil. I'm not too sure about the cramolin oil as a mechanical lubricant. It was designed to break up and prevent oxide on electrical contacts. That's not to say that it doesn't work as a mechanical lubricant, I've just never heard of it used that way. If your problem is noise particularly when going into stop then you need to read NR-0040 I scanned and put this document on my web site a long time ago. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_NR-0040.gif SJ --- Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi, > > Try silicon oil which helps metal and plastic joints. I prefer > Cramolin > > Bala > > Alfred Clarkson wrote: There is a sqeak when > going into stop on my 660zx. Seems to be a known problem, > according to Scott Johnson's web page: > > "The Nak decks that use the classic mechanism (not the Sankyo > mechanism) are prone to developing a noise when changing modes, > especially when going into stop. This is caused by the oil on the > cam drive gear drying out. The simple fix is to add a drop of oil > to the gear shaft." And there is also Nakamichi tech bulletin also > on the web page. > > My question is: exactly what type of oil should I use, and is > there a good place online to get it? Or does Radio Shack have it? > > Thanks for any help on this. I want to make sure I use _exactly_ > the right oil. Seems like that would be a lot smarter than just > spraying the entire interior of the machine with a good coat of > WD40. (Last part is a joke). > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? 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See all the ways to get quality prints in your > hands ASAP.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 12 00:20:02 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:20:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <0c2701c61703$1c14e530$6801a8c0@Rondo> References: <20060111173858.83569.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0c2701c61703$1c14e530$6801a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43C592A2.5050805@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, I've had the same problem, so I usually telephone or fax them. Ron Walton wrote: > Does anyone know how to contact US Recording? When I click on their > "email" button, it shows this address salesUSR at usrecordingmedia.com > > > When I send them an email I get a non delivery notice that says 554 > 5.7.1 Command rejected > Is there a different email address for them or an 800 number? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 04:26:58 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:26:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: <20060112014405.19782.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060112032658.65307.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to bigger and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This solves a lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have stopped innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being pushed to them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the format, but its been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has some way to go. Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio Coding (AAC). Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the 14 million. SJ --- Fred Lifton wrote: > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a > > lot bad quality MP3 sound... > cheers anyway, > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) > > > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 > > > > Regards > > Bala > > 79 Labs > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 04:30:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:30:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results In-Reply-To: <43C5341B.2030305@gte.net> Message-ID: <20060112033047.9438.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ken and Ti, Great work! Bala Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: Ti says: When I find the time, I might run these tests with other tape formulations as well as on my Nakamichi Dragon to see how it stacks up. Ken says: Ti, That is very cool! Nice work with the tests! Yes I am very interested to see how the dragon stacks up. I can clearly see now the trade off with using Dolby C vs. no Dolby. You exchange some headroom for more air. 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In-Reply-To: <016401c616f1$32c77660$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060112034209.70872.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey guys, Before we get into the fine nuances of magnetic fields, let us consider the ultimate test environment-your media storage area. I store my media in the same room as my Naks. A closed room with a dehumidifier. Some commercial discs which I bought about 10 years ago have been attacked by fungus. Thats right, you can see worm like paths of the fungus eating into the reflective layer in between the two plastic sides! I had seen similiar things in reports over the net. Now, in the next drawer to the discs are some tapes my dad recorded back in 1973. These were Hitachis (grand-dad of the Maxells?). The pressure pad has since detoriated and the rollers at the sides squeak. Doing a tape transplant into a clean Thats MRXP shell, my jaw drops at the perfect flawless reproduction! These were transcription of 78 rpm recordings done on a Akai deck back then. Playing them through a Nak 680ZX, I did a spectrum analysis and find signals up to almost 17kHz still intact. Some of my Sony original blanks have also had their data metal layer peeing back and changing colour-not that its of poor quality. Its just the nature of the media I guess. Nelson wrote: Fair point and, of course, Gerecke is probably talking only about computer data storage anyway, not music storage. However, he does have stronger empirical evidence for tape as the medium has been used for a much longer period of time ... but not 100 years, of course!! Time will tell ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 11 January 2006 19:48 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > > > Yes, but that's one persons opinion only, Blau should have looked into it > deeper if he is going to do an accurate report... there are lots > of articles > on CD life spans and the accelerated testing that's been done under > controlled condtions. It's true that cheaper disks would fall under his > description, but from what I've read the good quality disks will last much > longer the even the 5 year limits he put on it. And his suggesting using > tape as a safer storage medium doesn't make sense when he doesn't discuss > the problems of cheap tape formulations or the dangers of magnetic fields, > etc. I'm just saying that I think the article could have covered > a lot more > on this and done a better job, instead of the sort of limited > viewpoint scar > tactic given. > > Doane > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 04:57:39 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:57:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <43C56736.2080303@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060112035739.49901.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mine doesn;t go into the room where I keep the Naks. She feels intimidated by them. She used to be (think she still is) a heavy downloader of mp3s from the web and thinks mp3 players and blue backlight is cool. But the people at Nakamichi had done their homework. The 680ZX still wows her with its awesome playback. Now I am planning to build a Linux based file server for all the thousands of mp3s so its more quickly accesible, and she's saying no - finish up the cassette deck first. He He.. Bala Ron wrote: LOL! I must be very lucky with my wife. Whenever I come down with the desire (nay! the *need*) for a new toy, she sweetly says, 'sure, go ahead and get it'. (She may then mutter something under her breath, but it's often in Spanish and I usually don't understand Spanish :-) ). -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Bravo Bala...STILL FIRM...NO matter whatever you new wife will say!!!! > > Happens with mine (27 years of marriage), all the time I acquired > something new or received a gift...SHE MUST...say > something...seriously...I'm tired...of hearing her! > > That's is our life when we have some "HOBBY"...NOT so common > comprehended by any WIFE....! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:11 -0800 (PST) >> >> Hi Kermit, >> >> Thanks! I see the difference in various people as to how they >> esteem their Naks. Having got recently married, my dad's advised me to >> 'clear some of the decks out'. My reply, in front of my new wife is, >> "Over my dead body". Then comes your good self, who has names your >> valuable decks and have waxed lyrical about the 600 (which I found was >> entirely true after hearing my own 600!). I would also like to mention >> Alex, who stands firmly by his Dragon. There are many others who also >> believe in their Naks, which may not be right up there, but gives them >> that 60 minutes (for a C60 tape) of bliss. And they are loyal and >> faithful to their deck for that. I respect you gentlemen and I learn >> from the passion of each and every one of you. >> >> from my memory, >> Cassette Decks: >> Nak 700 >> Nak 700 II >> Nak 600 >> Nak 670ZX >> Nak 680ZX (4) >> Nak 700ZXL (3) >> Nak 1000ZXL (3) >> Nak Dragon >> Nak CR7 >> Nak DR10 >> Aiwa F990 >> Aiwa XK009 Excelia >> Aiwa AD 6700 (2) >> Technics RS-M95 >> >> Regards >> Bala Ganesh >> 79 Labs >> >> "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Keith, >> >> Keith Dawson wrote: >> > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the >> > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only >> > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! >> >> I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" >> that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At >> the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel >> slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these >> older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly >> Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have >> only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's >> slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. >> >> I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be >> repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In >> truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent >> anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe >> 600 series. >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Jan 12 05:23:55 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:23:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope References: <20060112032658.65307.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c61730$007710f0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> Guys, A ton of misinformation is being spread about the iPod here - it would seem prudent to take a quick trip to Apple's web site (http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html would be a great place to start) rather than guessing... The iPod will play several formats, including lossless: http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html iPod shuffle: MP3 (8 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, AAC (8 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store, M4A, M4B, M4P), Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4) and WAV iPod nano and iPod: AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store), MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3 and 4), Apple Lossless, WAV, AIFF I'm sure the larger iPod models will continue to use the small hard drives in the larger capacity models - flash memory hasn't even come close to being affordable (or even available to my knowledge) in 30 and 60 GB capacities. For what it is, the iPod is an amazing little device. IMO, the user interface is quite good and sound quality is too - it certainly doesn't have anything over full size equipment one would use in a high end home system, but it really isn't intended to. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? > The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to bigger and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This solves a lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have stopped innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being pushed to them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the format, but its been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has some way to go. > > Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio Coding (AAC). > Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the > 14 million. > > SJ > > --- Fred Lifton wrote: > > > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday > > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a > > > > lot bad quality MP3 sound... > > cheers anyway, > > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: > > > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// > > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 > > > > > > Regards > > > Bala > > > 79 Labs > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover > Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 12 05:34:40 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:34:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Message-ID: Shalom Ron! Take my heart fully help...when you wife we say something, after that you bring a "NEW" toy...home...write me 100% exactly what she say, as my native language is Spanish...so I can translate word by word...! Don't worry...Ron...be 100% happy!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:14:46 -0500 > > >LOL! I must be very lucky with my wife. Whenever I come >down with the desire (nay! the *need*) for a new toy, >she sweetly says, 'sure, go ahead and get it'. (She may >then mutter something under her breath, but it's often >in Spanish and I usually don't understand Spanish :-) ). > >-- Ron > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Bravo Bala...STILL FIRM...NO matter whatever you new wife will say!!!! >> >>Happens with mine (27 years of marriage), all the time I acquired >>something new or received a gift...SHE MUST...say >>something...seriously...I'm tired...of hearing her! >> >>That's is our life when we have some "HOBBY"...NOT so common comprehended >>by any WIFE....! >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >>>Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >>>Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:11 -0800 (PST) >>> >>>Hi Kermit, >>> >>> Thanks! I see the difference in various people as to how they >>>esteem their Naks. Having got recently married, my dad's advised me to >>>'clear some of the decks out'. My reply, in front of my new wife is, >>>"Over my dead body". Then comes your good self, who has names your >>>valuable decks and have waxed lyrical about the 600 (which I found was >>>entirely true after hearing my own 600!). I would also like to mention >>>Alex, who stands firmly by his Dragon. There are many others who also >>>believe in their Naks, which may not be right up there, but gives them >>>that 60 minutes (for a C60 tape) of bliss. And they are loyal and >>>faithful to their deck for that. I respect you gentlemen and I learn from >>>the passion of each and every one of you. >>> >>> from my memory, >>> Cassette Decks: >>> Nak 700 >>> Nak 700 II >>> Nak 600 >>> Nak 670ZX >>> Nak 680ZX (4) >>> Nak 700ZXL (3) >>> Nak 1000ZXL (3) >>> Nak Dragon >>> Nak CR7 >>> Nak DR10 >>>Aiwa F990 >>> Aiwa XK009 Excelia >>> Aiwa AD 6700 (2) >>> Technics RS-M95 >>> >>> Regards >>> Bala Ganesh >>> 79 Labs >>> >>> "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Keith, >>> >>>Keith Dawson wrote: >>> > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on >>>the >>> > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only >>> > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! >>> >>>I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" >>>that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At >>>the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel >>>slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these >>>older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly >>>Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have >>>only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's >>>slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. >>> >>>I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be >>>repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In >>>truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent >>>anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe >>>600 series. >>> >>>-- >>>Kermit Gray >>>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 05:55:23 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:55:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060112045523.59273.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And please Ron, do it offline. I believe there is more then one person who understands Spanish :) Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Shalom Ron! Take my heart fully help...when you wife we say something, after that you bring a "NEW" toy...home...write me 100% exactly what she say, as my native language is Spanish...so I can translate word by word...! Don't worry...Ron...be 100% happy!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:14:46 -0500 > > >LOL! I must be very lucky with my wife. Whenever I come >down with the desire (nay! the *need*) for a new toy, >she sweetly says, 'sure, go ahead and get it'. (She may >then mutter something under her breath, but it's often >in Spanish and I usually don't understand Spanish :-) ). > >-- Ron > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Bravo Bala...STILL FIRM...NO matter whatever you new wife will say!!!! >> >>Happens with mine (27 years of marriage), all the time I acquired >>something new or received a gift...SHE MUST...say >>something...seriously...I'm tired...of hearing her! >> >>That's is our life when we have some "HOBBY"...NOT so common comprehended >>by any WIFE....! >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >>>Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >>>Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:11 -0800 (PST) >>> >>>Hi Kermit, >>> >>> Thanks! I see the difference in various people as to how they >>>esteem their Naks. Having got recently married, my dad's advised me to >>>'clear some of the decks out'. My reply, in front of my new wife is, >>>"Over my dead body". Then comes your good self, who has names your >>>valuable decks and have waxed lyrical about the 600 (which I found was >>>entirely true after hearing my own 600!). I would also like to mention >>>Alex, who stands firmly by his Dragon. There are many others who also >>>believe in their Naks, which may not be right up there, but gives them >>>that 60 minutes (for a C60 tape) of bliss. And they are loyal and >>>faithful to their deck for that. I respect you gentlemen and I learn from >>>the passion of each and every one of you. >>> >>> from my memory, >>> Cassette Decks: >>> Nak 700 >>> Nak 700 II >>> Nak 600 >>> Nak 670ZX >>> Nak 680ZX (4) >>> Nak 700ZXL (3) >>> Nak 1000ZXL (3) >>> Nak Dragon >>> Nak CR7 >>> Nak DR10 >>>Aiwa F990 >>> Aiwa XK009 Excelia >>> Aiwa AD 6700 (2) >>> Technics RS-M95 >>> >>> Regards >>> Bala Ganesh >>> 79 Labs >>> >>> "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Keith, >>> >>>Keith Dawson wrote: >>> > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on >>>the >>> > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only >>> > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! >>> >>>I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" >>>that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At >>>the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel >>>slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these >>>older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly >>>Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have >>>only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's >>>slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. >>> >>>I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be >>>repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In >>>truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent >>>anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe >>>600 series. >>> >>>-- >>>Kermit Gray >>>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 12 06:27:37 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:27:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CM-100 mics and 9-volt batteries. Message-ID: <43C5E8C9.6010904@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fellow Nakaphiliacs, Well, my curiosity got the better of me. I put a 9-volt Eveready 206 into my Nak CM-100 mic. The good news is that it didn't ruin the mic or fry the head amp. The bad news is that the mic seemed to sound harsh. Perhaps the extra voltage and current misbiases the head amp's FET, allowing the mic to clip. The mic did sound quieter. This summer I might tinker with the bias resistor for the FET and see if I can make the mic sound clearer. Still sounds dry as a bone, though. But if I can make it quieter by using a 9-volt dry cell then I might use it more often. So, if you have a CM-100 mic, use the 1.5 AA size dry cell as the manual specifies. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 12 08:22:29 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:22:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope Message-ID: Quite so, it handles all these formats up to 16 bit (WAV). The joke is the concept (as jointly developed with Meridian) of "Lossless" Packing. And I don't mean the technology - which is better or at least no worse than the various Frauenhofer versions of PASC (such as MP2L4, 3, M4 etc) but the using of a term that insinuates there is no loss is laughable. Or to be polite, a terminological inexactitude (W. Churchill). Marc >>> 1/12/2006 6:23:55 AM >>> Guys, A ton of misinformation is being spread about the iPod here - it would seem prudent to take a quick trip to Apple's web site (http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html would be a great place to start) rather than guessing... The iPod will play several formats, including lossless: http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html iPod shuffle: MP3 (8 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, AAC (8 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store, M4A, M4B, M4P), Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4) and WAV iPod nano and iPod: AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store), MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3 and 4), Apple Lossless, WAV, AIFF I'm sure the larger iPod models will continue to use the small hard drives in the larger capacity models - flash memory hasn't even come close to being affordable (or even available to my knowledge) in 30 and 60 GB capacities. For what it is, the iPod is an amazing little device. IMO, the user interface is quite good and sound quality is too - it certainly doesn't have anything over full size equipment one would use in a high end home system, but it really isn't intended to. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? > The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to bigger and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This solves a lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have stopped innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being pushed to them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the format, but its been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has some way to go. > > Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio Coding (AAC). > Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the > 14 million. > > SJ > > --- Fred Lifton wrote: > > > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday > > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a > > > > lot bad quality MP3 sound... > > cheers anyway, > > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: > > > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// > > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 > > > > > > Regards > > > Bala > > > 79 Labs > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 12 02:59:04 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:59:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: <20060112014405.19782.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060112014405.19782.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C5B7E8.9060606@yahoo.ca> I'm not one of the 14 million either but they don't play MP3s. They are re-encoded to AAC(non-lossless) with DRM, loseing even more information(It's the only thing that iPod can play). I use a CD-R/RW MP3. I've got no DRM and no space limit!(Physical space could be limited in some cases tho) Anyways, I don't use it often so why bothering getting a flash or HDD player? Antoine Deschênes Scott Johnson a écrit : > Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio Coding (AAC). > Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the > 14 million. > > SJ > > --- Fred Lifton wrote: > > >> On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday >> season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a >> lot bad quality MP3 sound... >> cheers anyway, >> Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: >> >>> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>> Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// >>> news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 >>> >>> Regards >>> Bala >>> 79 Labs >>> From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Jan 12 10:25:42 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:25:42 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... Message-ID: <002201c6175a$2927af80$0201a8c0@lan> "MEK will definitely damage plastic and paint. As a matter of fact, I use it to strip paint off older instrument cases prior to repainting. MEK will also dry out rubber. Unless I was forced to -- and I never was -- I'll stick with alcohol and use *that* sparingly. That's me. Others -- including Stephen -- are certainly entitled to their respective opinions." My opinion, as an Industrial Chemist, in paints and adhesives.. MEK will damage some plastics, specifically styrenics, and will destroy polycarbonate. Short term it does not damage olefin plastics, eg PE/PP, or nylon,delrin and the like. It is certainly a good aggressive solvent for making certain paints and adhesives. Most of the plastics used in Hi Fi facia panels are typically ABS and derivatives, ie: styrenics, and Naks are no exception... 580 series and LX series spring to mind, being moulded and painted ABS.. so spilling MEK on these will damage the plastic, and damage the paintwork irretrievebly. It will not harm the internal mechanism gears or levers in my experience, but keep it clear of the analogue tape counter if your deck has one, and it will strip out any lubricants with ease if it can get at them.. MEK is a good solvent for rubber and will dissolve it in time.. most rubber based adhesives have a portion of MEK to maintain solubility. It can appear to dry out rubber, but this is usually a synthetic rubber which can have a butadiene or styrene component which is preferentially stripped out and can lead to splits and cracking, (particularly noticeable in cheap TPR's), but if left long enough the mass will fully dissolve. However, if the rubber is of good quality then MEK can be a useful cleaner. If the rubber part, belt or wheel has a 'glazed' drive surface, then no amount of IPA will shift this and you will be forever left with a slippery skiddy 'no grip' surface. Sparing use of MEK, and I say sparing... eg:a damp cotton bud can strip this layer off. Just keep applying until the surface appears 'matt' again, no more, then allow the rubber to recover, say overnight to be absolutely safe. The surface should be usable with the original grip restored. ( by inference, I understand this is what Steven Sank used it for) I will also point out that I will generally always try alcohol first.. always start with the least harmful and work up from there!, and this is also no substitute for replacement with new OEM parts or similar. One of my 582's, originally bought as a non playing parts deck for the other, was found to be basically OK, the problem was simply that the belts and pinch rollers were all badly glazed up so no drive. The offending parts were MEK'd, and a little bit of contact cleaner... the deck continues to function happily to this day in my study.. in fact playing a Dusty Springfield tape as I type this, making the deck a veritable bargain of the century at $60NZ! Similarly my 580 had it's drive and mode control belts treated this way and my LX3 had it's mode control belt cleaned along with the half twist trick, and both decks also still function OK, so I haven't needed to go back under the bonnet and change the belts as yet now that I have replacements.. and it is now a couple of years down the track too. On the subject of toxicity, MEK is not classifiable as to human carcinogenty, and is not listed as a carcinogen..... this one of those urban legends that continue to be perpetuated to this day. What MEK IS however is an Eyes Nose Throat irritant, and chronic exposure can lead to neurological/liver/renal/lung damage, so yes it is not pleasent stuff and should be used with appropriate precautions such as adequate ventilation, solvent resistant gloves etc, and if in your breathing space.. an organic vapour mask. Lastly, there have been some references to trichrolorethane and the like as used in industrial cleaners for electronic components. There are two chemicals used for the same applications and commonly confused, and it is easy to see why, I have to stop and think myself sometimes..: 111 Trichloroethylene: similar chronic effects to MEK, and also a potential carcinogen, so should be used with care. 111 trichloroethane: This one is the OZONE depleter. Nowhere near as bad for toxicity, is not a known carcinogen, but still, exposure is best avoided. As always, if in doubt, check with a reputable agency such as the EPA, or Agency for toxic substances and diseases,etc, before using a chemical. MS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael_martorana at lineone.net Thu Jan 12 13:00:18 2006 From: michael_martorana at lineone.net (michael_martorana at lineone.net) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:00:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: <200601120525.k0C5PbXd005149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <43B85C280003BE85@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Hi all Like Bala I too prefer the sound of Minidisc to MP3 players. You might be interested to know that the new SONY MP3 hard disk and flash memory players can playback ATRAC3 encoded files as well as MP3. The software you get with it can also convert data from MP3 / WMA / WAV to ATRAC3 (66-132kbps) or ATRAC3plus (48-256Kbps). Cheers Michael >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:26 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > > >> Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? >> The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to bigger >and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This solves >a >lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have stopped >innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being pushed to >them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc >sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the format, but >its >been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has some way >to go. >> >> Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio >Coding (AAC). >> Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the >> 14 million. >> >> SJ >> >> --- Fred Lifton wrote: >> >> > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday >> > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a >> > >> > lot bad quality MP3 sound... >> > cheers anyway, >> > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) >> > >> > >> > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: >> > >> > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. >> > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi everyone, >> > > >> > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// >> > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 >> > > >> > > Regards >> > > Bala >> > > 79 Labs >> > > ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From matyas at bluewin.ch Thu Jan 12 12:58:50 2006 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:58:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results RMAA Message-ID: <43C6447A.1070608@bluewin.ch> How happy I am to see RMAA user here!!! Excellent initiative! I can share SAV files (RMAA analysis files), which can be used do make a comparison report. (better than HTML report, as we can zoom in the sizable windows an stack many results together) My sound card is M-Audio Delta 66. I can post: results for: Dragon (burr-brown op-amps) 680ZX line 582 700 II 550 LX-3 Sony- TC-K750ES Sony WM-D6C As there is some options in RMAA, it would be nice to make a full bandwidth report, up to 45 kHz, as well as a 20 - 20 K standard analysis. By this way, I see that Dragon line amp have a very short bandwidth ! (I imagine that there is some loss in the opto fader.) Does anyone here have an idea about the limiting bandwidth elements (notch filter) in Dragon ?. -30 dB @ 27 kHz ! but flat +/-0.1 dB from 15 Hz to 15 kHz. -3 dB @ 21500 Hz. I am very curious about the CR-7 on this point. Dragon & CR-7 are identical in audio path schematics. line stage only difference of the CR-7 is FET transistors switching instead of mechanical switches in Dragon. On this point, I imagine that here is less inductive effect, (Dragon is full of too many wires) thus surely CR-7 sound is more fresh & direct. (I never heard one) Hehehe... Nakamichi 700 II does have the lowest & smoothest Sweep IMD factor of my collection... and lowest THD ! I was very surprised of it, considering its age, but on the other hand, comfort my preference for its lively sonic sparkle that newer Naks have in a lesser degree.. Ti Kan, It seems that my Dragon have a slightly better crosstalk than your CR-7. (is it a head height issue?) I wait your following tests... Please, consider to make downloadable your .sav files ;-) NOTE: important: keep in mind that we can't compare .sav of different sampling rates. Ideally, standard should be 96/24 Regards, Matyas From ti at amb.org Thu Jan 12 13:46:57 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:46:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results RMAA In-Reply-To: <43C6447A.1070608@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <20060112124657.5228521CE6@smtp.amb.org> Matyas writes: > How happy I am to see RMAA user here!!! > Excellent initiative! Cool. :) > I can post: results for: > Dragon (burr-brown op-amps) I would be interested in your Dragon's .sav file to contrast against what I measure (when I get around to it). > By this way, I see that Dragon line > amp have a very short bandwidth ! > (I imagine that there is some loss in the opto fader.) Does anyone here > have an idea about the limiting bandwidth elements (notch filter) > in Dragon ?. -30 dB @ 27 kHz ! but flat +/-0.1 dB from 15 Hz to 15 kHz. > -3 dB @ 21500 Hz. > I am very curious about the CR-7 on this point. It's essentially the same I think. If you look at my CR-7A RMAA HTML report, the "source loopback" frequency response curve shows a very steep rolloff above 20KHz. > Ti Kan, It seems that my Dragon have a slightly better crosstalk than > your CR-7. (is it a head height issue?) > I wait your following tests... I don't know, but I think differences in testing procedure can also affect the crosstalk result greatly. I set my CR-7A's input and output level controls all to maximum, and used the M-Audio Firewire Audiophile's line-out volume control to set the actual recording level. I feel that this eliminates any contribution to noise or crosstalk from the cassette deck's potentiometers. The M-Audio sound interface's volume controls are all digital so there is no such issue. > NOTE: important: keep in mind that we can't compare .sav of different > sampling rates. > Ideally, standard should be 96/24 This is true. So far I've also collected a very large number of .sav result files for other gear (not cassette decks), but most of them are run at 32b/96k. I also have some results via a M-Audio Transit, at 16b/44.1k. I found that the Firewire Audiophile has a slightly lower noise floor at 32b/96k than 24b/96k. Not that it matters when measuring cassette decks, but when we're testing very quiet amplifiers, it actually makes a difference. -Ti From matyas at bluewin.ch Thu Jan 12 14:25:23 2006 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:25:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results RMAA Message-ID: <43C658C3.4090502@bluewin.ch> Hi Ti! let me a day to prepare & host the file. I hope you have yet the sav's from your CR-7 test, I am pretty much interested to get them. 32b/96k and 24b/96k are basically the same, they are both 96 K SR. (compatible on staked results) 32 bit is not exploited by M-Audio, which resolution don't exceed 24 bit. 32 bit mode increase RMAA internal calculation precision. So, yes I rectify, Standard must be 96/32 Best, Matyas From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 15:20:04 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:20:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: <43B85C280003BE85@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <20060112142004.56255.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Micheal, I am using the JA555-ES mini disc deck which uses a Type R ATRAC system Apparently, this is the best version amongst the ATRAC. However, it doesnt allow variable quality (unlike MDLP). Its really awesome, has a response down to 5Hz and is miles ahead of even the high bit rate mp3s. Regards Bala michael_martorana at lineone.net wrote: Hi all Like Bala I too prefer the sound of Minidisc to MP3 players. You might be interested to know that the new SONY MP3 hard disk and flash memory players can playback ATRAC3 encoded files as well as MP3. The software you get with it can also convert data from MP3 / WMA / WAV to ATRAC3 (66-132kbps) or ATRAC3plus (48-256Kbps). Cheers Michael >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:26 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > > >> Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? >> The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to bigger >and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This solves >a >lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have stopped >innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being pushed to >them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc >sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the format, but >its >been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has some way >to go. >> >> Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio >Coding (AAC). >> Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the >> 14 million. >> >> SJ >> >> --- Fred Lifton wrote: >> >> > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday >> > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a >> > >> > lot bad quality MP3 sound... >> > cheers anyway, >> > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) >> > >> > >> > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: >> > >> > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. >> > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi everyone, >> > > >> > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// >> > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 >> > > >> > > Regards >> > > Bala >> > > 79 Labs >> > > ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Jan 12 15:36:47 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:36:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope References: <20060112014405.19782.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43C5B7E8.9060606@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <003701c61785$a173d510$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "Antoine Deschênes" > I'm not one of the 14 million either but they don't play MP3s. They are > re-encoded to AAC(non-lossless) with DRM, loseing even more > information(It's the only thing that iPod can play). Wrong. iPods do play MP3's - I have 6000 of them on my iPod. Can you guys PLEASE research things a bit before posting information on something you know nothing about? PLEASE?? -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 12 16:28:23 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:28:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope... Bala's JA555ES Message-ID: Hi Bala There's no comparison - that MD deck is the best ever made. Standardized ATRAC reduction 4.0, 4.5, 5.0 and R are all basically a factor of 5 - i.e. 20% of data is retained in an averaged timed stream. MP3 standard is a factor of 12 (retaining an average of 8.3% of data in the stream) and discarding the rest. Using the ISO-MPEG Audio Layer-3 format, the 192kbps encode would translate to a 12.5% data retention based on the standardised algorithim and 96kbps is, as you guessed 6.25%. Of course there are continuous variations. As the variations gravitate downwards, other techniques are introduced. For instance,limiting bandwidth will be applied to save data in order to minimise the perception of further loss of tonal qualities. These solutions are applied as bitrates drop. Dynamic ranges can also be narrowed to generally further the main ends of perceptual coding (to keep the music sounding as unchanged as possible). This is why in reality it is data reduction - not "compression" as sometimes cited. It's all fun - I think of it as the musical equivalent of fast foods. But it ain't haute cuisine.... Now your MD is a different thing - same concept but it's always "of a standard". MD and DCC would be as far as I would want to go. DCC is a rigid factor of 4. Cheers all - Marc >>> bg3009 at yahoo.com 1/12/2006 4:20:04 PM >>> Hi Micheal, I am using the JA555-ES mini disc deck which uses a Type R ATRAC system Apparently, this is the best version amongst the ATRAC. However, it doesnt allow variable quality (unlike MDLP). Its really awesome, has a response down to 5Hz and is miles ahead of even the high bit rate mp3s. Regards Bala michael_martorana at lineone.net wrote: Hi all Like Bala I too prefer the sound of Minidisc to MP3 players. You might be interested to know that the new SONY MP3 hard disk and flash memory players can playback ATRAC3 encoded files as well as MP3. The software you get with it can also convert data from MP3 / WMA / WAV to ATRAC3 (66-132kbps) or ATRAC3plus (48-256Kbps). Cheers Michael >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:26 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > > >> Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? >> The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to bigger >and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This solves >a >lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have stopped >innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being pushed to >them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc >sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the format, but >its >been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has some way >to go. >> >> Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio >Coding (AAC). >> Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the >> 14 million. >> >> SJ >> >> --- Fred Lifton wrote: >> >> > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday >> > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a >> > >> > lot bad quality MP3 sound... >> > cheers anyway, >> > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) >> > >> > >> > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: >> > >> > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. >> > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi everyone, >> > > >> > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// >> > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 >> > > >> > > Regards >> > > Bala >> > > 79 Labs >> > > ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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From britri at comcast.net Thu Jan 12 19:01:19 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:01:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: i tunes In-Reply-To: <001d01c61730$007710f0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> References: <20060112032658.65307.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001d01c61730$007710f0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: Furthermore, has anybody tried the airport express with air tunes. This is absolutely the neatest gadget I have purchased. It interfaces with i tunes and will wirelessly rip audio from your computer over to your sound system and present in either analog or digital whatever is playing on your itunes software. I have not used the digital out with a great d/a converter, but for $129.00 and a system like mine which I never turn off, a few mouse clicks gets me instant sound in the next room. It was an award winner in sterfeophile not for sound quality but for absolute great music convenience. best, Brien On Jan 11, 2006, at 8:23 PM, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > Guys, > > A ton of misinformation is being spread about the iPod here - it > would seem > prudent to take a quick trip to Apple's web site > (http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html would be a great place to start) > rather than guessing... The iPod will play several formats, including > lossless: > > http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html > > iPod shuffle: > MP3 (8 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, AAC (8 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from > iTunes Music Store, M4A, M4B, M4P), Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4) > and WAV > > iPod nano and iPod: > AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store), MP3 > (16 to > 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3 and 4), Apple Lossless, > WAV, AIFF > > I'm sure the larger iPod models will continue to use the small hard > drives > in the larger capacity models - flash memory hasn't even come close > to being > affordable (or even available to my knowledge) in 30 and 60 GB > capacities. > > For what it is, the iPod is an amazing little device. IMO, the user > interface is quite good and sound quality is too - it certainly > doesn't have > anything over full size equipment one would use in a high end home > system, > but it really isn't intended to. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > > >> Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? >> The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to >> bigger > and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This > solves a > lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have > stopped > innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being > pushed to > them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc > sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the > format, but its > been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has > some way > to go. >> >> Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use >> Advanced Audio > Coding (AAC). >> Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the >> 14 million. >> >> SJ >> >> --- Fred Lifton wrote: >> >>> On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday >>> season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a >>> >>> lot bad quality MP3 sound... >>> cheers anyway, >>> Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) >>> >>> >>> On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: >>> >>>> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>> Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. >>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// >>>> news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Bala >>>> 79 Labs >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? 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You design it and we'll bind it! > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ---- > > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From britri at comcast.net Thu Jan 12 19:27:57 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:27:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88F83B1F-0290-4180-A3C0-C91DD0EA3330@comcast.net> McIntosh uses this losless term for it's musicbank big hard drive audio device which I heard last weekend at CES, Vegas played thru the huge 3 piece 2kw monoblox and the 122 driver/side loudspeakers. What a disappointment. Don't run out and sell your xrt 22s Bala, Mcintosh's furtherance of the multi driver technology without Roger Russell is going nowhere! But somebogy gave me a 700zxl in working order for nuthin. Made a great show better Brien On Jan 11, 2006, at 11:22 PM, Marc hugo wrote: > Quite so, it handles all these formats up to 16 bit (WAV). The > joke is the concept (as jointly developed with Meridian) of > "Lossless" Packing. And I don't mean the technology - which is > better or at least no worse than the various Frauenhofer versions > of PASC (such as MP2L4, 3, M4 etc) but the using of a term that > insinuates there is no loss is laughable. Or to be polite, a > terminological inexactitude (W. Churchill). > > Marc > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 12 21:20:06 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:20:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: i tunes In-Reply-To: References: <20060112032658.65307.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001d01c61730$007710f0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: <43C6B9F6.1060505@yahoo.ca> I read somewhere that iTunes supports these formats and re-encodes them to AAC to make them readable in the iPod. Maybe it was wrong info. Antoine Deschênes >> Guys, >> >> A ton of misinformation is being spread about the iPod here - it >> would seem >> prudent to take a quick trip to Apple's web site >> (http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html would be a great place to start) >> rather than guessing... The iPod will play several formats, including >> lossless: >> >> http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html >> >> iPod shuffle: >> MP3 (8 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, AAC (8 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from >> iTunes Music Store, M4A, M4B, M4P), Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4) and >> WAV >> >> iPod nano and iPod: >> AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store), MP3 >> (16 to >> 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3 and 4), Apple Lossless, >> WAV, AIFF >> >> I'm sure the larger iPod models will continue to use the small hard >> drives >> in the larger capacity models - flash memory hasn't even come close >> to being >> affordable (or even available to my knowledge) in 30 and 60 GB >> capacities. >> >> For what it is, the iPod is an amazing little device. IMO, the user >> interface is quite good and sound quality is too - it certainly >> doesn't have >> anything over full size equipment one would use in a high end home >> system, >> but it really isn't intended to. >> -- >> Geoffrey Reynolds >> http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From greynolds at newsguy.com Fri Jan 13 00:02:19 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:02:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: i tunes References: <20060112032658.65307.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001d01c61730$007710f0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> <43C6B9F6.1060505@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <001201c617cc$3d874400$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Antoine Deschênes" > I read somewhere that iTunes supports these formats and re-encodes them > to AAC to make them readable in the iPod. Maybe it was wrong info. Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - it was added later (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/index.php). When you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC format. The iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats including the lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with people not liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you try it - they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop spreading incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick google search. In any event this is a Nakamichi forum, isn't it? How about we keep the Nakamichi talk here, as Wouter has requested, and leave the OT iPod discussion elsewhere to avoid spreading misinformation here? -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From flifton at mac.com Fri Jan 13 03:07:37 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:07:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: <200601120342.k0C3gVUo004814@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601120342.k0C3gVUo004814@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3D3E7A48-AA29-44F5-8865-CF7293B8785E@mac.com> iPod's play lots of file types: AAC, MP4, MP3, Apple Lossless (what I use), VBR, Audible, WAV and AIFF. And now lots of video and graphics formats too. Notably, some of the "video formats" (e.g. .MOV) are also used for audio. All that in a package small enough to fit in a pack of cigarettes and still have half the cigarettes in there. They're really quite remarkable little devices, IMHO, they just don't make very good sounding music. cheers, Fred On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:42 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Scott Johnson > Date: January 11, 2006 5:44:05 PM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio Coding (AAC). > Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the > 14 million. > > SJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Fri Jan 13 15:28:38 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:28:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: <200601131100.k0DB04tU009774@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601131100.k0DB04tU009774@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: First, I apologize for my late and OT post on iPod formats. I read the list in digest form and sometimes it takes me awhile to get caught up. That said, I think there is room, perhaps even need, for some misinformation and OT posts on this forum. That's what makes a learning, growing virtual community. I hope I speak for at least some other members when I say that I have had a ton of my own misunderstandings and misapprehensions corrected, expanded, illuminated and explained by this venerable group. In a sense, correcting misinformation is a raison d'etre for this forum. Moreover, straying off-topic is how we learn about each other and become a community (a recent Ham radio discussion, and comments about members' wives come to mind). And often there is wonderful serendipity as we find that some topic on analog cassette decks has a bearing on something seemingly unrelated or vice versa. Of course sometimes we stray too far, but Wouter always gently guides us back on track (as when we get side-tracked on politics once a year or so). So, Geoffrey, I would suggest, with the utmost respect, that perhaps you could cut us all a little more slack. cheers, Fred On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - it > was > added later > (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/ > index.php). When > you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC > format. The > iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats including the > lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with > people not > liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you > try it - > they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop > spreading > incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick google > search. In any event this is a Nakamichi forum, isn't it? How > about we > keep the Nakamichi talk here, as Wouter has requested, and leave > the OT iPod > discussion elsewhere to avoid spreading misinformation here? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jan 13 16:05:46 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation Message-ID: Thanks Fred, I would agree with that notion - I stray sometimes myself, feebly pasting the string and my twopenny worth into 'audiotalk' to assuage my guilt. But usually I forget. In general tolerance balanced with consideration is what makes this group special. A great weekend to all, Marc >>> flifton at mac.com 1/13/2006 4:28:38 PM >>> First, I apologize for my late and OT post on iPod formats. I read the list in digest form and sometimes it takes me awhile to get caught up. That said, I think there is room, perhaps even need, for some misinformation and OT posts on this forum. That's what makes a learning, growing virtual community. I hope I speak for at least some other members when I say that I have had a ton of my own misunderstandings and misapprehensions corrected, expanded, illuminated and explained by this venerable group. In a sense, correcting misinformation is a raison d'etre for this forum. Moreover, straying off-topic is how we learn about each other and become a community (a recent Ham radio discussion, and comments about members' wives come to mind). And often there is wonderful serendipity as we find that some topic on analog cassette decks has a bearing on something seemingly unrelated or vice versa. Of course sometimes we stray too far, but Wouter always gently guides us back on track (as when we get side-tracked on politics once a year or so). So, Geoffrey, I would suggest, with the utmost respect, that perhaps you could cut us all a little more slack. cheers, Fred On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - it > was > added later > (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/ > index.php). When > you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC > format. The > iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats including the > lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with > people not > liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you > try it - > they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop > spreading > incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick google > search. In any event this is a Nakamichi forum, isn't it? How > about we > keep the Nakamichi talk here, as Wouter has requested, and leave > the OT iPod > discussion elsewhere to avoid spreading misinformation here? The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 17:57:08 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:57:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060113165708.79308.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Fred, I agree with you here, we all need some off topic talk once in a while to keep the community spirit alive.. And misinformation is another form of learning. They key here, is respecting what one knows and tolarence. Being possibly the youngest in the group, I am glad to be endowed with plenty of both qualities. And so are my fellow members here, including you Fred. Without which, Nalktalk wouldn't be what it is. I thus encourage everyone to exercise the same spririt and goodwill. Thank You Best Regards, Bala 79 Labs Fred Lifton wrote:First, I apologize for my late and OT post on iPod formats. I read the list in digest form and sometimes it takes me awhile to get caught up. That said, I think there is room, perhaps even need, for some misinformation and OT posts on this forum. That's what makes a learning, growing virtual community. I hope I speak for at least some other members when I say that I have had a ton of my own misunderstandings and misapprehensions corrected, expanded, illuminated and explained by this venerable group. In a sense, correcting misinformation is a raison d'etre for this forum. Moreover, straying off-topic is how we learn about each other and become a community (a recent Ham radio discussion, and comments about members' wives come to mind). And often there is wonderful serendipity as we find that some topic on analog cassette decks has a bearing on something seemingly unrelated or vice versa. Of course sometimes we stray too far, but Wouter always gently guides us back on track (as when we get side-tracked on politics once a year or so). So, Geoffrey, I would suggest, with the utmost respect, that perhaps you could cut us all a little more slack. cheers, Fred On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - it was added later (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/index.php). When you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC format. The iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats including the lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with people not liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you try it - they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop spreading incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick google search. In any event this is a Nakamichi forum, isn't it? How about we keep the Nakamichi talk here, as Wouter has requested, and leave the OT iPod discussion elsewhere to avoid spreading misinformation here? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Fri Jan 13 18:34:45 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:34:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: References: <200601131100.k0DB04tU009774@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4EA87F22-202B-41C5-AD6C-56C261C056C8@comcast.net> Fred, what a nice way of saying, who made you naktalk police, Geoffrey. Frankly, I have never read such a flat out rude request of a discussion group! Brien On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Fred Lifton wrote: > First, I apologize for my late and OT post on iPod formats. I read > the list in digest form and sometimes it takes me awhile to get > caught up. > > That said, I think there is room, perhaps even need, for some > misinformation and OT posts on this forum. That's what makes a > learning, growing virtual community. I hope I speak for at least > some other members when I say that I have had a ton of my own > misunderstandings and misapprehensions corrected, expanded, > illuminated and explained by this venerable group. In a sense, > correcting misinformation is a raison d'etre for this forum. > Moreover, straying off-topic is how we learn about each other and > become a community (a recent Ham radio discussion, and comments > about members' wives come to mind). And often there is wonderful > serendipity as we find that some topic on analog cassette decks has > a bearing on something seemingly unrelated or vice versa. Of course > sometimes we stray too far, but Wouter always gently guides us back > on track (as when we get side-tracked on politics once a year or > so). So, Geoffrey, I would suggest, with the utmost respect, that > perhaps you could cut us all a little more slack. > cheers, > Fred > > On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > >> Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - >> it was >> added later >> (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/ >> index.php). When >> you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC >> format. The >> iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats including >> the >> lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with >> people not >> liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you >> try it - >> they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop >> spreading >> incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick >> google >> search. In any event this is a Nakamichi forum, isn't it? How >> about we >> keep the Nakamichi talk here, as Wouter has requested, and leave >> the OT iPod >> discussion elsewhere to avoid spreading misinformation here? > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Fri Jan 13 18:35:26 2006 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:35:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] could I get ISSUE 56 sent to my email address again, I accidently erased it before I got to open it.... oops Message-ID: Thank... Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Fri Jan 13 19:04:46 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:04:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation References: <200601131100.k0DB04tU009774@zxe.naks.com> <4EA87F22-202B-41C5-AD6C-56C261C056C8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003101c6186b$d6ed96e0$ebcb8656@compaq> Before things start to get out of hand!! I thought "Audiotalk" was for all things Audio, and "Naktalk" was for everything "NAKS" Seems simple enough to me!! Get a grip guys (and any ladies out there) Best get back in my box, and take my medication!!! Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Brien Stocker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation Fred, what a nice way of saying, who made you naktalk police, Geoffrey. Frankly, I have never read such a flat out rude request of a discussion group! Brien On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Fred Lifton wrote: First, I apologize for my late and OT post on iPod formats. I read the list in digest form and sometimes it takes me awhile to get caught up. That said, I think there is room, perhaps even need, for some misinformation and OT posts on this forum. That's what makes a learning, growing virtual community. I hope I speak for at least some other members when I say that I have had a ton of my own misunderstandings and misapprehensions corrected, expanded, illuminated and explained by this venerable group. In a sense, correcting misinformation is a raison d'etre for this forum. Moreover, straying off-topic is how we learn about each other and become a community (a recent Ham radio discussion, and comments about members' wives come to mind). And often there is wonderful serendipity as we find that some topic on analog cassette decks has a bearing on something seemingly unrelated or vice versa. Of course sometimes we stray too far, but Wouter always gently guides us back on track (as when we get side-tracked on politics once a year or so). So, Geoffrey, I would suggest, with the utmost respect, that perhaps you could cut us all a little more slack. cheers, Fred On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - it was added later (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/index.php). When you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC format. The iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats including the lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with people not liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you try it - they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop spreading incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick google search. In any event this is a Nakamichi forum, isn't it? How about we keep the Nakamichi talk here, as Wouter has requested, and leave the OT iPod discussion elsewhere to avoid spreading misinformation here? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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That some of you disagree is fine and a natural thing for a discussion group - it's Wouter's list, not mine (or yours). I honestly don't see how my suggestion was rude - how is a request to stay on topic rude??? If the consensus is to allow OT discussion to remain here, that's fine, it just gets frustrating "having" to correct incorrect OT information after a while and it just isn't in my nature to just sit back and ignore it. Is it really rude to ask that people do a little bit of research on OT topics before posting about them here? Is it any less rude NOT to do the research and turn an otherwise short OT discussion into a long drawn out thread? If my request/suggestion was the rudest thing you've ever read, then you've lived a pretty sheltered life on the internet. My post contained no personal attacks, no expletives, and only a request that the OT discussion be taken off the list along with corrections of the misinformation. If you consider that rude, then I guess I'm guilty as charged... -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From britri at comcast.net Fri Jan 13 19:11:28 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:11:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: <003101c6186b$d6ed96e0$ebcb8656@compaq> References: <200601131100.k0DB04tU009774@zxe.naks.com> <4EA87F22-202B-41C5-AD6C-56C261C056C8@comcast.net> <003101c6186b$d6ed96e0$ebcb8656@compaq> Message-ID: <9DE17DEF-DC70-44C4-A3A5-8B4BCA8AF214@comcast.net> Terry, you are technically correct and folks including Gerald mostly, me a bit, and a few others try to initiate discussion thru audiotalk and "threads fray." Brien On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Terry Finn wrote: > Before things start to get out of hand!! > > I thought "Audiotalk" was for all things Audio, and "Naktalk" was > for everything "NAKS" > > Seems simple enough to me!! > > Get a grip guys (and any ladies out there) > > Best get back in my box, and take my medication!!! > > Terry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brien Stocker > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation > > Fred, what a nice way of saying, who made you naktalk police, > Geoffrey. Frankly, I have never read such a flat out rude request > of a discussion group! > > Brien > On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Fred Lifton wrote: > >> First, I apologize for my late and OT post on iPod formats. I read >> the list in digest form and sometimes it takes me awhile to get >> caught up. >> >> That said, I think there is room, perhaps even need, for some >> misinformation and OT posts on this forum. That's what makes a >> learning, growing virtual community. I hope I speak for at least >> some other members when I say that I have had a ton of my own >> misunderstandings and misapprehensions corrected, expanded, >> illuminated and explained by this venerable group. In a sense, >> correcting misinformation is a raison d'etre for this forum. >> Moreover, straying off-topic is how we learn about each other and >> become a community (a recent Ham radio discussion, and comments >> about members' wives come to mind). And often there is wonderful >> serendipity as we find that some topic on analog cassette decks >> has a bearing on something seemingly unrelated or vice versa. Of >> course sometimes we stray too far, but Wouter always gently guides >> us back on track (as when we get side-tracked on politics once a >> year or so). So, Geoffrey, I would suggest, with the utmost >> respect, that perhaps you could cut us all a little more slack. >> cheers, >> Fred >> >> On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: >> >>> Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - >>> it was >>> added later >>> (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/ >>> index.php). When >>> you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC >>> format. The >>> iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats >>> including the >>> lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with >>> people not >>> liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you >>> try it - >>> they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop >>> spreading >>> incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick >>> google >>> search. In any event this is a Nakamichi forum, isn't it? How >>> about we >>> keep the Nakamichi talk here, as Wouter has requested, and leave >>> the OT iPod >>> discussion elsewhere to avoid spreading misinformation here? >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/228 - Release Date: > 12/01/06 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 13 19:14:23 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:14:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: References: <200601131100.k0DB04tU009774@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <43C7EDFF.9010401@rcn.com> Fred, I agree (as did others) there is room for some OT posts. I am NOT, however, that tolerant with misinformation. You never know what damage it can do. I don't think it's that difficult to check before posting. That said, I don't think it's a capital offense, either :-). Just something to be avoided. Finally -- let's all lighten up. We are here for fun. Let's have it. Ye hear, yo'll? Have a nice afternoon, -- Ron Fred Lifton wrote: > First, I apologize for my late and OT post on iPod formats. I read the > list in digest form and sometimes it takes me awhile to get caught up. > > That said, I think there is room, perhaps even need, for some > misinformation and OT posts on this forum. That's what makes a learning, > growing virtual community. I hope I speak for at least some other > members when I say that I have had a ton of my own misunderstandings and > misapprehensions corrected, expanded, illuminated and explained by this > venerable group. In a sense, correcting misinformation is a raison > d'etre for this forum. Moreover, straying off-topic is how we learn > about each other and become a community (a recent Ham radio discussion, > and comments about members' wives come to mind). And often there is > wonderful serendipity as we find that some topic on analog cassette > decks has a bearing on something seemingly unrelated or vice versa. Of > course sometimes we stray too far, but Wouter always gently guides us > back on track (as when we get side-tracked on politics once a year or > so). So, Geoffrey, I would suggest, with the utmost respect, that > perhaps you could cut us all a little more slack. > cheers, > Fred > > On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, greynolds at newsguy.com > wrote: > >> Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - it was >> >> added later >> >> (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/index.php). When >> >> you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC >> format. The >> >> iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats including the >> >> lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with people not >> >> liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you try it - >> >> they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop spreading >> >> incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick google >> >> search. In any event this is a Nakamichi forum, isn't it? How about we >> >> keep the Nakamichi talk here, as Wouter has requested, and leave the >> OT iPod >> >> discussion elsewhere to avoid spreading misinformation here? From greynolds at newsguy.com Fri Jan 13 19:15:07 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:15:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation References: <200601131100.k0DB04tU009774@zxe.naks.com><4EA87F22-202B-41C5-AD6C-56C261C056C8@comcast.net> <003101c6186b$d6ed96e0$ebcb8656@compaq> Message-ID: <003901c6186d$4be35790$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "Terry Finn" > Before things start to get out of hand!! > > I thought "Audiotalk" was for all things Audio, and "Naktalk" > was for everything "NAKS" That's what Wouter has requested numerous times - it was the whole point of starting up the other list in the first place. > Seems simple enough to me!! Same here. > Best get back in my box, and take my medication!!! Guess I need to take mine too :). -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 13 19:26:17 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:26:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: <001f01c6186c$b4fd94d0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: <002501c6186e$d9030200$7300a8c0@Shaun> Geoffrey, it wasn'y necessarily rude to make those suggestions, it was just not your place to do so. That is the prerogative of the moderator. Doing so only makes you look like a "smart a..." and is inclined to put peoples backs up, as you have now seen evidence of. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Reynolds Sent: 13 January 2006 18:11 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation From: "Brien Stocker" > Fred, what a nice way of saying, who made you naktalk police, > Geoffrey. Frankly, I have never read such a flat out rude request of > a discussion group! No one made me naktalk police, I was simply making a suggestion based on what Wouter has requested of people in the past - that this list be left for Naktalk discussion and everything else go to AudioTalk. I didn't make any demands, just suggestions. That some of you disagree is fine and a natural thing for a discussion group - it's Wouter's list, not mine (or yours). I honestly don't see how my suggestion was rude - how is a request to stay on topic rude??? If the consensus is to allow OT discussion to remain here, that's fine, it just gets frustrating "having" to correct incorrect OT information after a while and it just isn't in my nature to just sit back and ignore it. Is it really rude to ask that people do a little bit of research on OT topics before posting about them here? Is it any less rude NOT to do the research and turn an otherwise short OT discussion into a long drawn out thread? If my request/suggestion was the rudest thing you've ever read, then you've lived a pretty sheltered life on the internet. My post contained no personal attacks, no expletives, and only a request that the OT discussion be taken off the list along with corrections of the misinformation. If you consider that rude, then I guess I'm guilty as charged... -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 13 20:05:38 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:05:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: <001f01c6186c$b4fd94d0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: <009401c61874$57212220$c8b687d9@oemcomputer> Guys, guys, guys ... There are wars, famine, genocide, over population, disease, natural disasters, global warming triggering mass extinctions and rising sea levels that will drown or displace millions of people and what are we arguing about? What bleedin' iPods can or can't do? Let's just have fun while we still can ... Gra' > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jan 13 21:13:28 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:13:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: <009401c61874$57212220$c8b687d9@oemcomputer> References: <009401c61874$57212220$c8b687d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43C809E8.6040605@yahoo.ca> Sorry for the misinformation but I read that from a place on the Internet so the person could possibly have been lying. Yup, 2-3 iPods less sold is not going to kill Apple. Anyways, I still don't like to have to buy OS + machine from the same corp. to get things working. Antoine Deschênes Nelson a écrit : > Guys, guys, guys ... > > There are wars, famine, genocide, over population, disease, natural > disasters, global warming triggering mass extinctions and rising sea levels > that will drown or displace millions of people and what are we arguing > about? What bleedin' iPods can or can't do? Let's just have fun while we > still can ... > > Gra' > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jan 13 21:25:39 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:25:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] could I get ISSUE 56 sent to my email address again, I accidently erased it before I got to open it.... oops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C80CC3.6090406@yahoo.ca> Dunno but there's an archive on Naks.com and do you have a "trash" folder with MSN.com? Antoine Deschênes RICHARD FIne a écrit : > Thank... > > Richard From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Fri Jan 13 21:26:35 2006 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:26:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MEK and cleaning... In-Reply-To: <200601121101.k0CB0mVS005899@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: So Martin, what is your opinion of hexane (Kermit says it is a large part of American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller Cleaner) used for cleaning rubber parts in a cassette deck? I have some pure hexane obtained from work. Secondly, I'm kinda wondering how much a "solvent" is really needed for the head and metal parts. I'm guessing a large part of the cleaning comes simply from the mechanical scrubbing and not so much by solvent action... Gary From: "Martin Short" >>My opinion, as an Industrial Chemist, in paints and adhesives.. MEK will damage some plastics, specifically styrenics, and will destroy polycarbonate. Short term it does not damage olefin plastics, eg PE/PP, or nylon,delrin and the like. It is certainly a good aggressive solvent for making certain paints and adhesives.<< . . . From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jan 13 21:47:32 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:47:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MEK and cleaning... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C811E4.3070004@yahoo.ca> Was reading the topic fast, is it time to update the PDF? Antoine Deschênes gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com a écrit : > So Martin, what is your opinion of hexane (Kermit says it is a large part > of American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller Cleaner) used for cleaning > rubber parts in a cassette deck? I have some pure hexane obtained from > work. > > Secondly, I'm kinda wondering how much a "solvent" is really needed for > the head and metal parts. I'm guessing a large part of the cleaning comes > simply from the mechanical scrubbing and not so much by solvent action... > > Gary > > From: "Martin Short" > >>> My opinion, as an Industrial Chemist, in paints and adhesives.. >>> > MEK will damage some plastics, specifically styrenics, and will destroy > polycarbonate. Short term it does not damage olefin plastics, eg PE/PP, or > nylon,delrin and the like. It is certainly a good aggressive solvent for > making certain paints and adhesives.<< > From rob at rhoag.com Fri Jan 13 23:10:56 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:10:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... Message-ID: Martin: I know MEK like Carbon Tet is really dangerous to use, how about Acetone? Acetone will also melt styrene but it should be safe to use on Nylon and certainly on metal, how about on rubber? It's one of the safest strong solvents I know of and it's inexpensive and available everywhere. Thanks, Doane From greynolds at newsguy.com Fri Jan 13 23:26:45 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:26:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation References: <009401c61874$57212220$c8b687d9@oemcomputer> <43C809E8.6040605@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <000901c61890$701724c0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Antoine Deschênes" > Yup, 2-3 iPods less sold is not going to kill Apple. Of course not, but it may sway someone to make what would be the wrong decision for that individual had they known the facts. I'm much less concerned about Apple making $300 less than I am about an individual making a $300 purchase based on inaccurate information. For some people, that $300 purchase is a pretty big deal. > Anyways, I still don't like to have to buy OS + machine > from the same corp. to get things working. You may have lost me here. Are you suggesting that you have to purchase a Mac to use an iPod? The iPod can be loaded up from a Mac or a Windows PC (not sure if anyone has come up with a way to do it from a Linux/Unix box yet). If you don't like that one has to buy the operating system from Apple to get a Mac working, that's yet another off-topic topic :). -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jan 13 23:33:17 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:33:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: <000901c61890$701724c0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> References: <009401c61874$57212220$c8b687d9@oemcomputer> <43C809E8.6040605@yahoo.ca> <000901c61890$701724c0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: <43C82AAD.5060309@yahoo.ca> >> Yup, 2-3 iPods less sold is not going to kill Apple. >> > Of course not, but it may sway someone to make what would be the wrong > decision for that individual had they known the facts. I'm much less > concerned about Apple making $300 less than I am about an individual making > a $300 purchase based on inaccurate information. For some people, that $300 > purchase is a pretty big deal. > Could be possible. >> Anyways, I still don't like to have to buy OS + machine >> from the same corp. to get things working. >> > You may have lost me here. Are you suggesting that you have to purchase a > Mac to use an iPod? The iPod can be loaded up from a Mac or a Windows PC > (not sure if anyone has come up with a way to do it from a Linux/Unix box > yet). If you don't like that one has to buy the operating system from Apple > to get a Mac working, that's yet another off-topic topic :). > I know iPods run off Window$ but, yes, I don't like to have to buy the machine from Apple to get the OS working, because you can put Linux on these things. An other off-topic topic. From kh1 at khherrmann.de Fri Jan 13 23:50:06 2006 From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:50:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: <43C82AAD.5060309@yahoo.ca> References: <009401c61874$57212220$c8b687d9@oemcomputer> <43C809E8.6040605@yahoo.ca> <000901c61890$701724c0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> <43C82AAD.5060309@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060113235006.331863e5.kh1@khherrmann.de> Just to complete some OT fact.... On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:33:17 -0500 Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I know iPods run off Window$ but, yes, I don't like to have to buy the > machine from Apple to get the OS working, because you can put Linux on > these things. An other off-topic topic. - Linux *can* talk to an ipod http://www.gtkpod.org/about.html - an iPod can *run* linux http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page BW: Both facts would have been found on the very first google page for "iPod Linux". K.-H. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 14 02:47:59 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:47:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: <20060113235006.331863e5.kh1@khherrmann.de> Message-ID: <20060114014759.80034.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I concure with Karl. Linux can in fact get into anything big or small, and its powering Nak talk :) Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: Just to complete some OT fact.... On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:33:17 -0500 Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I know iPods run off Window$ but, yes, I don't like to have to buy the > machine from Apple to get the OS working, because you can put Linux on > these things. An other off-topic topic. - Linux *can* talk to an ipod http://www.gtkpod.org/about.html - an iPod can *run* linux http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page BW: Both facts would have been found on the very first google page for "iPod Linux". 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Thanks, HAM From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Jan 14 06:14:41 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:14:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] acquiring units for spares/parts replacements Message-ID: perhaps the forward thinking thing to do would be to acquire a spare/parts unit as a backup or parts donor machine.Ive acquired three Nak RX303, and now I am wanting to obtain at least one more 700 tri-tracer. Does anyone have a 700II machine to sell?It seems Nak availabilty is decreasing at a seemingly exponential rate, and I can already discern a marked increase in price from when i joined Naktalk just too short years ago. What about five years down the road??This also gets me to thinking I need to go ahead and grab a top of the line Nak Dragon or CR/ZX as soon as i can manage it. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jan 14 06:41:43 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:41:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] acquiring units for spares/parts replacements Message-ID: Hi Jerry! I can help you with my first Nak deck that I acquired in 1978, a 1000/2, maybe will serve you as a spare parts, the heads combo 100% sure and mine are 100% perfectly! I only want $:300.00 trough Western Union way... packing, shipping, etc... at your expenses, I live in Israel. PS...Write Off the line...please! Cheers, ALEX! >From: jerryjg >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] acquiring units for spares/parts replacements >Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:14:41 -0600 > >perhaps the forward thinking thing to do would be to acquire a spare/parts >unit as a backup or parts donor machine.Ive acquired three Nak RX303, and >now I am wanting to obtain at least one more 700 tri-tracer. Does anyone >have a 700II machine to sell?It seems Nak availabilty is decreasing at a >seemingly exponential rate, and I can already discern a marked increase in >price from when i joined Naktalk just too short years ago. What about five >years down the road??This also gets me to thinking I need to go ahead and >grab a top of the line Nak Dragon or CR/ZX as soon as i can manage it. >-- >Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 14 14:54:03 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:54:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A Cam Motor Questiion In-Reply-To: <000a01c618c4$2b75b9b0$6400a8c0@Hal3> References: <000a01c618c4$2b75b9b0$6400a8c0@Hal3> Message-ID: <43C9027B.2090803@rcn.com> I am not sure what is the 'coiled steel cam motor cover' (are you by chance referring to the motor body?). However, once you have the motor in your hand: Before doing anything, mark the orientation of the back plate in relation to the motor body. Then, take the gear off the shaft (heat the gear without heating the shaft and just pull it off). There are two tabs around the back plate of the motor. Bend them outward, then pull off the back plate (slowly, it will come out with the rotor). Free the brushes and pull the back plate off the rotor. Make the sure the commutator is still viable. Same for brushes. Clean the commutator until it's shiny brass. Clean the brushes. If you must disassemble the brushes, make sure to make a detailed sketch of EXACTLY how things are. Lubricate both front and rear bearings with light machine oil. Let bearings soak in oil for a few of hours. Place a couple of drops of contact cleaner with lubricant on the commutator segments. To reassemble, insert rotor half way. Position back plate with brushes between washers, as before, in correct orientation. Push all the way in. Bend tabs to lock in place. I hope you are technically inclined. It's easy to screw things up. Good luck, -- Ron Miles wrote: > I am attempting to repair my malfunctioning CR-3A and have removed the cam > motor in order to clean and renovate it. Can someone please tell me how to > remove the coiled steel cam motor cover in order to gain access to the motor > brushes? > > Thanks, HAM From dbauer45 at comcast.net Sat Jan 14 17:34:07 2006 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:34:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... References: Message-ID: <005201c61928$571b48f0$6501a8c0@cmbpc> Doane, MEK is downright dangerous and unsafe to use. The grades of acetone that are available in hardware stores are too impure because they contain a good percentage of residuals. Try evaporating several drops on a clean hand mirror and you will see what I mean. However, the cheap acetone is easy to purify. Just distill some through your backyard still and it will be ready for cleaning sensitive equipment. Just make sure that all of the mash has been rinsed from your still before hand. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doane Hoag" To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... > Martin: > > I know MEK like Carbon Tet is really dangerous to use, how about Acetone? > Acetone will also melt styrene but it should be safe to use on Nylon and > certainly on metal, how about on rubber? It's one of the safest strong > solvents I know of and it's inexpensive and available everywhere. > > Thanks, Doane > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tomas at tlec.se Sat Jan 14 17:56:30 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:56:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... In-Reply-To: <005201c61928$571b48f0$6501a8c0@cmbpc> Message-ID: Why not use Isopropanol, avaible in 1 litre bottles 99,5% pure http://www.teslanol.com/ With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dean Bauer > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:34 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... > > > Doane, > > MEK is downright dangerous and unsafe to use. The grades of > acetone that are available in hardware stores are too impure > because they contain a good percentage of residuals. Try > evaporating several drops on a clean hand mirror and you will > see what I mean. However, the cheap acetone is easy to > purify. Just distill some through your backyard still and it > will be ready for cleaning sensitive equipment. Just make > sure that all of the mash has been rinsed from your still before hand. > > Dean > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doane Hoag" > To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:10 PM > Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... > > > > Martin: > > > > I know MEK like Carbon Tet is really dangerous to use, how about > > Acetone? Acetone will also melt styrene but it should be > safe to use > > on Nylon and certainly on metal, how about on rubber? It's > one of the > > safest strong solvents I know of and it's inexpensive and available > > everywhere. > > > > Thanks, Doane > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > From jarhead1951 at charter.net Sat Jan 14 18:40:41 2006 From: jarhead1951 at charter.net (Miles) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:40:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A Cam Motor Questiion Message-ID: <000301c61931$a4155070$6400a8c0@Hal3> Thank you Ron for your prompt reply. Perhaps my motor is not the same as the ones you are familiar with. The "coiled steel cam motor cover" that I referred to in my first post is a piece of thin steel sheet metal 1 inch wide and it is tightly wrapped 3 times around the cam motor. Since the coiled steel is tightly gripping the motor I am unable to slide the motor free from the coiled steel. But maybe I do not have to remove the coiled steel if the back plate can be removed. Are the "tabs around the back plate of the motor" (that you spoke of) contained in the 2 notches around the periphery of the white plastic back plate? If so, bending them outward looks very difficult and bending them inward during installation seems almost impossible without removing the steel coil. When removed from my deck the cam motor always spins when 9 volts of DC is applied. But when the motor is reinstalled it usually does not spin. When I remove and reinstall the motor everything works fine a few times but soon when pressing play, ff, etc. it fails to function and the cams do not rotate as they should. If you have any thoughts on my problem please let me know. Thanks much for the help, Regards, HAM From sendigitall at yahoo.com Sat Jan 14 18:49:17 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:49:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] how to soup up a 680zx? In-Reply-To: <200601141102.k0EB0xps015301@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060114174917.41885.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> hi i jus got this 680zx after a loong wait .,my intrest in this machine was fuelled by the experienced nakers speaking about it here,and the blues nak cyber portal fotos.....i have always dreamt abt this machine ..playing thru my tube pre and power amps ...even my cassette deck 1.5 sounded good in it ...so i have always wanted that good old analog warmth ..that too the midrange that people say which the older naks offer ...... well .......its playing ok...but there seems to be a gain drop ..!....it has not been used for a long time i guess ....and no service has been done ....so ...will this orange cap change help ?....normally ..wat r the things recomended ..to..soup up a 680zx in the electronics side ?.....kindly any 680 gurus ...guide me regards senthil --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 14 21:29:10 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:29:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A Cam Motor Questiion In-Reply-To: <000301c61931$a4155070$6400a8c0@Hal3> References: <000301c61931$a4155070$6400a8c0@Hal3> Message-ID: <43C95F16.6030805@rcn.com> Miles wrote: > Thank you Ron for your prompt reply. Perhaps my motor is not the same as the > ones you are familiar with. The "coiled steel cam motor cover" that I > referred to in my first post is a piece of thin steel sheet metal 1 inch > wide and it is tightly wrapped 3 times around the cam motor. Since the > coiled steel is tightly gripping the motor I am unable to slide the motor > free from the coiled steel. But maybe I do not have to remove the coiled > steel if the back plate can be removed. OK, this is what I called the 'motor body'. > Are the "tabs around the back plate of the motor" (that you spoke of) > contained in the 2 notches around the periphery of the white plastic back > plate? If so, bending them outward looks very difficult and bending them > inward during installation seems almost impossible without removing the > steel coil. Yes, they are. Unless you bend these tabs outward, you will not be able to remove the back plate (white plastic part) upon which the brushes are mounted. Obviously, the motor was not designed to be taken apart or repaired, so this is a bit tricky, but quite doable. > When removed from my deck the cam motor always spins when 9 volts of DC is > applied. But when the motor is reinstalled it usually does not spin. When I > remove and reinstall the motor everything works fine a few times but soon > when pressing play, ff, etc. it fails to function and the cams do not rotate > as they should. If you have any thoughts on my problem please let me know. IIRC, this is a 12V motor. What you describe sounds like a dead spot. Cleaning the commutator and brushes often solves the problem. -- Ron > > Thanks much for the help, Regards, HAM From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 14 23:20:32 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:20:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] how to soup up a 680zx? In-Reply-To: <20060114174917.41885.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060114222032.38306.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Go to my web page http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html and scroll down to "Souping up your deck" That should give you a few ideas. SJ --- senthil nathan wrote: > hi > i jus got this 680zx after a loong wait .,my intrest in this > machine was fuelled by the experienced nakers speaking about it > here,and the blues nak cyber portal fotos.....i have always dreamt > abt this machine ..playing thru my tube pre and power amps ...even > my cassette deck 1.5 sounded good in it ...so i have always wanted > that good old analog warmth ..that too the midrange that people say > which the older naks offer ...... > > well .......its playing ok...but there seems to be a gain drop > ..!....it has not been used for a long time i guess ....and no > service has been done ....so ...will this orange cap change help > ?....normally ..wat r the things recomended ..to..soup up a 680zx > in the electronics side ?.....kindly any 680 gurus ...guide me > > regards > senthil > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover > Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Sat Jan 14 23:59:59 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:59:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thomas: That is what I use for creaning heads and rollers, etc. I had brought up the idea of using Acetone originally as a way to possibly clean old hard greese out of the captsin bearing that get sticky, and when this thread came up, I was curious how it might do for other cleaning too. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:57 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... Why not use Isopropanol, avaible in 1 litre bottles 99,5% pure http://www.teslanol.com/ With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dean Bauer > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:34 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... > > > Doane, > > MEK is downright dangerous and unsafe to use. The grades of > acetone that are available in hardware stores are too impure > because they contain a good percentage of residuals. Try > evaporating several drops on a clean hand mirror and you will > see what I mean. However, the cheap acetone is easy to > purify. Just distill some through your backyard still and it > will be ready for cleaning sensitive equipment. Just make > sure that all of the mash has been rinsed from your still before hand. > > Dean > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doane Hoag" > To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:10 PM > Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... > > > > Martin: > > > > I know MEK like Carbon Tet is really dangerous to use, how about > > Acetone? Acetone will also melt styrene but it should be > safe to use > > on Nylon and certainly on metal, how about on rubber? It's > one of the > > safest strong solvents I know of and it's inexpensive and available > > everywhere. > > > > Thanks, Doane > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? -- Ron From karl at ibsen.us Sun Jan 15 00:40:08 2006 From: karl at ibsen.us (karl at ibsen.us) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:40:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 and Balanced Input/Output XLR Jacks Message-ID: <002701c61963$e49e63c0$0500a8c0@Voyager> I appreciated the recent discussion about the balanced jacks on the MR-1 decks, because I just bought one. One comment that particularly interested me, was that a computer can introduce distortion. It happens that I am working on a project to digitize a great many tapes that span more than three decades. I wanted a good cassette deck for the recovery, so naturally I chose to use Nakamichi. This brings us to my question. Would balanced jacks and cables be a good choice for working near and/or connecting to a computer? I have found cables with an XLR jack on one end and an RCA jack on the other end. They are about $10 each. This doesn't seem to be alot, especially with the time and money I've already put into the project. I have also found adapters that convert from XLR to RCA for about $2. So what do you think, should I use the cables or the adapters? Karl Ibsen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Sun Jan 15 01:26:07 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:26:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, AFAIK, MEK, Acetone and similar is very good on disolving things, not very much will stand for it. Obviously it will disolve things that you don't want to disolve. I would use a contact cleaner, white spirit or something similar to clean out old hard grease, something that disolves grease but not the rest. CRC 5-56, WD40 or similar is good on disolving grease, since it contain about 90% white spirit. Then clean it of with Isopropanol. I use the type of swabs that our wifes/girlfriends use when they are painting themselves, because they are lint-free. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:00 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... > > > > Thomas: That is what I use for creaning heads and rollers, > etc. I had brought up the idea of using Acetone originally as > a way to possibly clean old hard greese out of the captsin > bearing that get sticky, and when this thread came up, I was > curious how it might do for other cleaning too. > > Doane > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:57 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... > > > Why not use Isopropanol, avaible in 1 litre bottles 99,5% pure > > http://www.teslanol.com/ > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf Of Dean Bauer > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:34 PM > > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... > > > > > > Doane, > > > > MEK is downright dangerous and unsafe to use. The grades > of acetone > > that are available in hardware stores are too impure because they > > contain a good percentage of residuals. Try evaporating > several drops > > on a clean hand mirror and you will see what I mean. However, the > > cheap acetone is easy to purify. Just distill some through your > > backyard still and it will be ready for cleaning sensitive > equipment. > > Just make sure that all of the mash has been rinsed from your still > > before hand. > > > > Dean > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doane Hoag" > > To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:10 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... > > > > > > > Martin: > > > > > > I know MEK like Carbon Tet is really dangerous to use, how about > > > Acetone? Acetone will also melt styrene but it should be > > safe to use > > > on Nylon and certainly on metal, how about on rubber? It's > > one of the > > > safest strong solvents I know of and it's inexpensive and > available > > > everywhere. > > > > > > Thanks, Doane > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your > > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From ti at amb.org Sun Jan 15 02:10:23 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:10:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 and Balanced Input/Output XLR Jacks In-Reply-To: <002701c61963$e49e63c0$0500a8c0@Voyager> Message-ID: <20060115011023.E039E21CE6@smtp.amb.org> karl at ibsen.us writes: > ... > This brings us to my question. Would balanced jacks and cables be a good = > choice for working near and/or connecting to a computer? I have found = > cables with an XLR jack on one end and an RCA jack on the other end. = > They are about $10 each. This doesn't seem to be alot, especially with = > the time and money I've already put into the project. I have also found = > adapters that convert from XLR to RCA for about $2.=20 If your computer sound card does not have balanced inputs, then there is no benefit in using the balanced outputs of your cassette deck. The advantage of balanced cabling is increased common-mode noise rejection which you'd lose with any sort of adapter or conversion cable. Also, I am not sure about your statement about introducing distortion when connecting a cassette deck to a computer. As long as you use a good sound card (most built-in sound on computer motherboards don't qualify), keep the cassette deck some distance away from the computer to minimize noise interference, and use good shielded cabling, then it's no different than connecting your cassette deck to a regular stereo preamp. Now, depending on what file format you encode to (lossless or lossy, and if the latter, how you configure the encoding parameters), audio information may be dropped which is a form of distortion, but that's a whole different subject. -Ti From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 15 02:30:03 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:30:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C9A59B.1070003@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tomas, For cleaning tape heads, only 99% pure isopropanol or 99% pure anhydrous isopropyl alcohol should be used; nevertheless the use of alcohol is discouraged. Avoid all other types of alcohol because they contain water. Despite what anyone may say, denatured alcohol from the chemist or hardware store is not acceptable, and neither is rubbing alcohol. Alcohol’s only “advantage” is its low cost and the fact that it can be mishandled without too much concern for damage to adjacent plastic parts or surfaces. Otherwise, DON’T USE ALCOHOL if you can afford to use anything else. Alcohol is a very heavy and dense liquid, therefore it doesn’t allow contaminants on the heads and pinch rollers to rise to the surface, where they can be easily wiped off. Alcohol, when mishandled, can drip onto circuit boards. Because it is electrically conductive it could cause shorts. Tomas Larsson wrote: > Why not use Isopropanol, avaible in 1 litre bottles 99,5% pure > > http://www.teslanol.com/ > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dean Bauer >>Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:34 PM >>To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... >> >> >>Doane, >> >>MEK is downright dangerous and unsafe to use. The grades of >>acetone that are available in hardware stores are too impure >>because they contain a good percentage of residuals. Try >>evaporating several drops on a clean hand mirror and you will >>see what I mean. However, the cheap acetone is easy to >>purify. Just distill some through your backyard still and it >>will be ready for cleaning sensitive equipment. Just make >>sure that all of the mash has been rinsed from your still before hand. >> >>Dean >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Doane Hoag" >>To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" >>Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:10 PM >>Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... >> >> >> >>>Martin: >>> >>>I know MEK like Carbon Tet is really dangerous to use, how about >>>Acetone? Acetone will also melt styrene but it should be >> >>safe to use >> >>>on Nylon and certainly on metal, how about on rubber? It's >> >>one of the >> >>>safest strong solvents I know of and it's inexpensive and available >>>everywhere. >>> >>>Thanks, Doane >>> >>> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------ >>---========= >> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------ >>---========= >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------ >>---========= >> >>========------------------------------------------------------ >>---========= >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >>========------------------------------------------------------ >>---========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========------------------------------------------------------ >>---========= >> >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 02:32:31 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:32:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 and Balanced Input/Output XLR Jacks In-Reply-To: <002701c61963$e49e63c0$0500a8c0@Voyager> Message-ID: <20060115013231.69342.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Having a balanced output is completely useless if you are using a cable that throws away (doesn't connect) the inverted signal. Your input must be balanced as well if you want to take advantage of any benefits of a balanced connection. You might want to consider an external (to keep the audio as far away from the noisey environment inside your computer) A-D converter with balanced inputs such as the M Audio Fast Track Pro http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackPro-main.html It's got two balanced mic or line inputs with 24-bit 96kHz sampling. Output is SPDIF so your computer will need SDPIF in. I have not used this unit. I just now went to their web site and saw it for the first time. So this is not an endorsment. SJ --- karl at ibsen.us wrote: > I appreciated the recent discussion about the balanced jacks on the > MR-1 decks, because I just bought one. One comment that > particularly interested me, was that a computer can introduce > distortion. > > It happens that I am working on a project to digitize a great many > tapes that span more than three decades. I wanted a good cassette > deck for the recovery, so naturally I chose to use Nakamichi. > > This brings us to my question. Would balanced jacks and cables be a > good choice for working near and/or connecting to a computer? I > have found cables with an XLR jack on one end and an RCA jack on > the other end. They are about $10 each. This doesn't seem to be > alot, especially with the time and money I've already put into the > project. I have also found adapters that convert from XLR to RCA > for about $2. > > So what do you think, should I use the cables or the adapters? > > > Karl Ibsen > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sun Jan 15 03:20:49 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:20:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk]Misinformation In-Reply-To: <20060114020254.18391.qmail@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060114020254.18391.qmail@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And what a great OS it is! It even comes free with the computer. David On 14/01/2006, at 12:02 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I was even more OT than that, I was talking about the Macintosh, not > the iPod. > > Linux also powers some Sony TVs. > > Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit :I concure with Karl. > Linux can in fact get into anything big or small, and its powering Nak > talk :) >> >> Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: >>> Just to complete some OT fact.... >>> >>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:33:17 -0500 >>> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>> > I know iPods run off Window$ but, yes, I don't like to have to buy >>> the >>> > machine from Apple to get the OS working, because you can put >>> Linux on >>> > these things. An other off-topic topic. >>> >>> - Linux *can* talk! to an ipod http://www.gtkpod.org/about.html >>> - an iPod can *run* linux http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page >>> >>> BW: Both facts would have been found on the very first google page >>> for >>> "iPod Linux". >>> >>> >>> >>> K.-H. >>> > > > > Antoine Deschênes > > Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! 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The answer to bring back the ol' gem is to do a complete re-calibration as per the service manual. That's what I had to do and it's sounds fantastic. If you cannot do this then I suggest to take it to a reputable tech who can do it for you. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of senthil nathan Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2006 4:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] how to soup up a 680zx? hi i jus got this 680zx after a loong wait .,my intrest in this machine was fuelled by the experienced nakers speaking about it here,and the blues nak cyber portal fotos.....i have always dreamt abt this machine ..playing thru my tube pre and power amps ...even my cassette deck 1.5 sounded good in it ...so i have always wanted that good old analog warmth ..that too the midrange that people say which the older naks offer ...... well .......its playing ok...but there seems to be a gain drop ..!....it has not been used for a long time i guess ....and no service has been done ....so ...will this orange cap change help ?....normally ..wat r the things recomended ..to..soup up a 680zx in the electronics side ?.....kindly any 680 gurus ...guide me regards senthil _____ Yahoo! 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Thanks for the double post. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Jan 15 06:29:07 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:29:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] DR10/MR1 VS. Classic 680 and 682?? Message-ID: DR10/MR1 VS> 680/682ZX ??Very sorry for the triple post' but patience isnt one of my virtues and now is the time to ask , since I am considering an immidiate purchase of a miD-GRADE 3 HEAD nAK. Would someone compare the newer 3 head DR10 and MR-1 to the venerable 680/682 units?Should i try to find an older 680/682zx unit in nice coondition instaed of the last production DR/MR units? A most Heartfelt thanks for the patience and understanding of the great cr/ZX/Dragon mambo'ers...er, I meaN, members. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 08:33:54 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:33:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] DR10 VS. MR1 PRO?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060115073354.34451.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's kind of an odd pair of decks to be considering. The MR-1 as your probably know is nothing more than a BX-300 with XLR and 1/4" I/O jacks instead of RCAs. Oh yeah and better meters (16 segments instead of 9. The DR-10 BTW has 13). Both the MR-1 and DR-10 are the Sankyo mechanism. The MR-1 is a double capstan direct drive (for the take-up capstan) as are the ZX-5, BX-300, CR-7 and CR-4. The CR-5, CR-3, DR-1, DR-10 and DR-2 are belt driven. The difference would be slightly lower wow and flutter on the direct drive models. Bottom line, either of these decks will be an excellent performer. If I were to choose between those two models I would choose the DR-10 (I have 8 MR-1's right now). It definately has the gear idler (MR-1's could have either gear or tire idlers, all mine are gear idler). It is a lot newer and probably won't need any major maintainance for another 10 years (MR-1 came out in 1985, DR-10 came out in 1999 according to Wouter). One question, why the DR-10 instead of the DR-1. The DR-1 is basically the same as the DR-10, but, with one added feature. User adjustable playback head azimuth! SJ --- jerryjg wrote: > Hi, I am decided on one of these two modern 3 head Naks.DR10 or MR1 > Pro. > Does one have an advantage over the other? Isnt one made with the > cheap > SAnkyo transport? Thanks for the double post. > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: > http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 09:03:37 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:03:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] DR10 VS. MR1 PRO?? In-Reply-To: <20060115073354.34451.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060115080337.41201.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I concur with Scott. Have the DR-10 here. And built quality (Malaysia) is way below. 79 Labs Bala Scott Johnson wrote: That's kind of an odd pair of decks to be considering. The MR-1 as your probably know is nothing more than a BX-300 with XLR and 1/4" I/O jacks instead of RCAs. Oh yeah and better meters (16 segments instead of 9. The DR-10 BTW has 13). Both the MR-1 and DR-10 are the Sankyo mechanism. The MR-1 is a double capstan direct drive (for the take-up capstan) as are the ZX-5, BX-300, CR-7 and CR-4. The CR-5, CR-3, DR-1, DR-10 and DR-2 are belt driven. The difference would be slightly lower wow and flutter on the direct drive models. Bottom line, either of these decks will be an excellent performer. If I were to choose between those two models I would choose the DR-10 (I have 8 MR-1's right now). It definately has the gear idler (MR-1's could have either gear or tire idlers, all mine are gear idler). It is a lot newer and probably won't need any major maintainance for another 10 years (MR-1 came out in 1985, DR-10 came out in 1999 according to Wouter). One question, why the DR-10 instead of the DR-1. The DR-1 is basically the same as the DR-10, but, with one added feature. User adjustable playback head azimuth! SJ --- jerryjg wrote: > Hi, I am decided on one of these two modern 3 head Naks.DR10 or MR1 > Pro. > Does one have an advantage over the other? Isnt one made with the > cheap > SAnkyo transport? Thanks for the double post. > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: > http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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I found that the belt on the cam motor/pulley is fine. But, I found another pulley, in front of the Cam Drive Gear that is beltless. This pulley is much smaller than the Cam Drive Gear one, it has a small circuit board just below it covering it, and this pulley has the "Counter Load Arm Spring" directly in front of it (almost touching it). I am having trouble figuring out where the other pulley/connection point is for this belt (I am assuming this is the "Auto Shut Off Assembly", and that the belt that goes here is the "Auto Shut Stop Belt"). The problem I am having with my Dragon, is when I push the foreward play button, the tape will play for a split second, then stop, the same happens when I press the reverse play/reverse rewind/fastforeward buttons. I can't get it to play, only for a second. Thanks, Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Jan 16 01:00:56 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:00:56 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning...IPA, etc Message-ID: <001501c61a2f$ed569f60$0201a8c0@lan> Hi Guy's, Sorry for the slow response. I get naktalk in digest form and am only now catching up before I disappear to China for a week on Biz. Gary, Hexane is a bit of a mixed bag. There are 5 isomers of hexane, and the most commonly available is 'hexane - mixed isomers', which is essentially the whole package. The greatest proportion , 50%+, should be n-hexane ( CAS # 110-54-3, which you should find in the fine print on the back of the bottle).., and it is n-hexane which is the toxic component. Short term exposure brings on the usual solvent 'afflictions' of nausea/lightheadness etc, and is reversible, but long term it can lead to lung and nerve damage, and in severe cases, limb paralysis. It is 'biodegradable'. So, like any solvent really, treat with care, use with an organic vapour mask, protective gloves if skin exposure is also a problem, and plenty of ventilation. Refined isomers like iso-hexane are much more expensive, less toxic, but less likely to be used in commercial preparations. Hexanes are volatile but plastic 'safe'... solvent based adhesives for expanded polystyrene are based on hexanes. They are good for removing grease and oil contaminants, but I find it too volatile to be of much use other than a surface wipe. One thing to watch out for though is that most commercially available preparations can contain up to 5% toluene, which could cause some slight surface marking in styrene plastics. I'll check and see if I have missed anything when I get back to work next week! Doane, Acetone is probably one of the 'safer' solvents, nowhere near as nasty as MEK and will 'cut' most oils and greases down. It is the same chemical family as MEK, but is more volatile (though not as fast as hexane) and less aggressive than MEK, partly due to that volatility. It will still 'chew' styrene based plastics and paints though and is the principle solvent in Ladies solvent nail varnish remover, along with some cuticle nourishing oils etc. On the topic of IPA, or iso-propyl alcohol, Kermit is bang on that if you are going to use an alcohol, make sure it anhydrous or 99% pure if possible. Most commercially available grades are 95%, the balance being water, and not quite as bad as it would seem, as the water preferentially stays with the alcohol and is not left on the surface, and we aren't swabbing it on are we?. So, if that is all you can get, I would still use it as it is better than nothing.. most likely any tape cleaning fluid from a HiFi shop or record shop will be 95%. Alcohol is the head, capstan and pinch roller cleaner preferred by every tape manufacturer that I know of. Most likely because it is readily available to the general populace, effective, and generally least harmful to you and your machine. However, if you slosh it around, then you have the an electrical shorting hazard as Kermit says, and you have also created a flammability issue!. There may be superior cleaning agents available to the professional user, but these. are not readily available over the counter to the average punter.. unlike IPA. All the "Pro's" I have worked with just used IPA.. normally 'sponged' from yours truly. Meths/methylated spirits/rubbing alcohol are all ethanol based and because of the other obvious use for ethanol :o), usually contain a denatureing agent rendering them unsuitable for drinking ( and hence tape cleaning) to get around excise duties. Pure ethanol is as effective as as IPA, you just cannot get it easily outside of a lab. This reminds me of a 'jibe' in Practical HiFi many many moons ago, about tape deck maintenance, alcohols etc.... it went something like this.... as a last resort you can use a good quality vodka .. use a little on the deck and drink the rest to commiserate with yourself for letting the deck get that dirty in the first place. In terms of quantity, I just use a damp cotton bud.. dip in and then shake it a coupe of times!. If your bud is too wet, particularly if cleaning pinch rollers, they just skid and nothing happens, so back off for a second or two. The alcohol serves two functions, firstly as a mild cleaner, and secondly as a lubricant and coolant for the pinch roller surface as we don't want to gouge it or put any ridges on it, which is a risk if attempting 'dry' cleaning. I keep cleaning until the cotton bud comes up clean, or the pinch roller looks clean and even in colour....some rubbers just seem to keep 'shedding' black deposit.. ala the pinch rollers on my Denon M24.. no doubt a cheaper grade of rubber. I only use MEK on rubber components, and only if I have no other choice. I'll catch up with any fallout or comments next week... Cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Mon Jan 16 01:18:29 2006 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:18:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46 loads of set up tapes and guages In-Reply-To: <200601110533.k0B5XNPc032608@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601110533.k0B5XNPc032608@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: > > >Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:31:50 -0800 (PST) >From: Scott Johnson >Subject: Re: [naktalk] loads of set up tapes and guages .......but the > snag is.... >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <20060111053150.90413.qmail at web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >The Nakamichi tapes that "naac.tr" is selling are nothing more than >tapes. There are no special tones recorded on them and they are only >used EX (normal), SX (CrO2), ZX (metal) tapes for doing bias and >level calibration which Should be done with the tapes you commonly >use TDK AD, SA and MA if you are a TDK person and whatever. Using >the Nak tapes for bias and level calibration will lead to mixed >results with other tapes. > >He does have some other useful items up for auction like a belt, a >bunch of motors, a few pinch rollers, some heads and a few >check/alignment gauges, but, his starting prices are way too high. > >SJ > >--- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > >> Hi Nakofiles >> >> A lot of Nak set up tapes and spares in turkey. >> > > see eaby 5850576330 >> >> and check out other items for sale or do a global Nakamichi search >> on ebay >> >> However the seller doesnt accept paypal so heavens only knows >> .......however some fascinating items loads and loads of set up >> tapes >> and gauges! >> >> Blimey >> >> Ian r >> === Hi nakaholics, So no one bought this tape. If this Nak tape doesn't do the business, what tape does?I have a BX300 and a ZX7 to sort out. Do I need a special cassette? I do not have an oscilloscope but do have an Ampex R-to-R prerecorded original tape with tones etc. I have just bought 45 new maxell XL and have stacks of TDK SA and SA-X's recorded on a budget Kenwood. (We all make mistakes!) These may be recorded over. I have always managed to get the best out of modest tape decks by recording a fixed tone source in stereo through identical mikes and adjusting azimuth by ear till the replay sounds like to original. I suspect you may tell me this is not quite the done thing! I now want to do it properly. Any advice appreciated. Thanks -- Regards John Chapman Phoenix Design, Still Waters, Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW 01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jan 16 01:46:36 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:46:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement faders for Nak 500. Message-ID: <43CAECEC.90204@woods-and-waters.com> Hello Fellow Nakaphiles, Does anyne know of a source for the sliding (straight-line 100 kilohm and 50 kilohm potentiometers used in the Nakamichi 500? I've checked the catalogs of all the usual suppliers (Mouser, Allied, Newark, MCM Electronics, Digi-Key and Parts Express) and can find the correct resistance values but not a potentiometer that fits mechanically. Nakamichi seems to have used a part that has pin locations that different, and an overall length that is shorter, from the sliding potentiometers made new today. You know what this means, don't you? I'm trying to score some pot(s). Far out, man. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 16 03:26:01 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:26:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning...IPA, etc Message-ID: Hi Folks! Martin wrote! >>In terms of quantity, I just use a damp cotton bud.. dip in and then shake it a coupe of times!. If your bud is too wet, particularly if cleaning pinch rollers, they just skid and nothing happens, so back off for a second or two. The alcohol serves two functions, firstly as a mild cleaner, and secondly as a lubricant and coolant for the pinch roller surface as we don't want to gouge it or put any ridges on it, which is a risk if attempting 'dry' cleaning. I keep cleaning until the cotton bud comes up clean, or the pinch roller looks clean and even in colour<< For more of 4 decades, my sole metod...using "Q" tips that friends always brought me specially from USA! Works with NO problem at all. Don't seem the needs for more "Fancy/Expensives" liquids. For me is 100% OK! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Martin Short" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning...IPA, etc Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 >13:00:56 +1300 > >Hi Guy's, > >Sorry for the slow response. I get naktalk in digest form and am only now >catching up before I disappear to China for a week on Biz. > >Gary, > >Hexane is a bit of a mixed bag. There are 5 isomers of hexane, and the most >commonly available is 'hexane - mixed isomers', which is essentially the >whole package. The greatest proportion , 50%+, should be n-hexane ( CAS # >110-54-3, which you should find in the fine print on the back of the >bottle).., and it is n-hexane which is the toxic component. >Short term exposure brings on the usual solvent 'afflictions' of >nausea/lightheadness etc, and is reversible, but long term it can lead to >lung and nerve damage, and in severe cases, limb paralysis. It is >'biodegradable'. >So, like any solvent really, treat with care, use with an organic vapour >mask, protective gloves if skin exposure is also a problem, and plenty of >ventilation. >Refined isomers like iso-hexane are much more expensive, less toxic, but >less likely to be used in commercial preparations. > >Hexanes are volatile but plastic 'safe'... solvent based adhesives for >expanded polystyrene are based on hexanes. They are good for removing >grease and oil contaminants, but I find it too volatile to be of much use >other than a surface wipe. >One thing to watch out for though is that most commercially available >preparations can contain up to 5% toluene, which could cause some slight >surface marking in styrene plastics. >I'll check and see if I have missed anything when I get back to work next >week! > >Doane, > >Acetone is probably one of the 'safer' solvents, nowhere near as nasty as >MEK and will 'cut' most oils and greases down. It is the same chemical >family as MEK, but is more volatile (though not as fast as hexane) and less >aggressive than MEK, partly due to that volatility. It will still 'chew' >styrene based plastics and paints though and is the principle solvent in >Ladies solvent nail varnish remover, along with some cuticle nourishing >oils etc. > > > >On the topic of IPA, or iso-propyl alcohol, Kermit is bang on that if you >are going to use an alcohol, make sure it anhydrous or 99% pure if >possible. Most commercially available grades are 95%, the balance being >water, and not quite as bad as it would seem, as the water preferentially >stays with the alcohol and is not left on the surface, and we aren't >swabbing it on are we?. So, if that is all you can get, I would still use >it as it is better than nothing.. most likely any tape cleaning fluid from >a HiFi shop or record shop will be 95%. >Alcohol is the head, capstan and pinch roller cleaner preferred by every >tape manufacturer that I know of. Most likely because it is readily >available to the general populace, effective, and generally least harmful >to you and your machine. However, if you slosh it around, then you have the >an electrical shorting hazard as Kermit says, and you have also created a >flammability issue!. >There may be superior cleaning agents available to the professional user, >but these. are not readily available over the counter to the average >punter.. unlike IPA. All the "Pro's" I have worked with just used IPA.. >normally 'sponged' from yours truly. > >Meths/methylated spirits/rubbing alcohol are all ethanol based and because >of the other obvious use for ethanol :o), usually contain a denatureing >agent rendering them unsuitable for drinking ( and hence tape cleaning) to >get around excise duties. Pure ethanol is as effective as as IPA, you just >cannot get it easily outside of a lab. >This reminds me of a 'jibe' in Practical HiFi many many moons ago, about >tape deck maintenance, alcohols etc.... it went something like this.... as >a last resort you can use a good quality vodka .. use a little on the deck >and drink the rest to commiserate with yourself for letting the deck get >that dirty in the first place. > >In terms of quantity, I just use a damp cotton bud.. dip in and then shake >it a coupe of times!. If your bud is too wet, particularly if cleaning >pinch rollers, they just skid and nothing happens, so back off for a second >or two. The alcohol serves two functions, firstly as a mild cleaner, and >secondly as a lubricant and coolant for the pinch roller surface as we >don't want to gouge it or put any ridges on it, which is a risk if >attempting 'dry' cleaning. I keep cleaning until the cotton bud comes up >clean, or the pinch roller looks clean and even in colour....some rubbers >just seem to keep 'shedding' black deposit.. ala the pinch rollers on my >Denon M24.. no doubt a cheaper grade of rubber. I only use MEK on rubber >components, and only if I have no other choice. > >I'll catch up with any fallout or comments next week... > >Cheers, > >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From doane.hoag at earthlink.net Mon Jan 16 05:06:50 2006 From: doane.hoag at earthlink.net (Doane) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:06:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning...IPA, etc Message-ID: <30496369.1137384410752.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: Martin Short >Sent: Jan 15, 2006 4:00 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning...IPA, etc > >Hi Guy's, > >Sorry for the slow response. I get naktalk in digest form and am only now catching up before I disappear to China for a week on Biz. > >Gary, > >Hexane is a bit of a mixed bag. There are 5 isomers of hexane, and the most commonly available is 'hexane - mixed isomers', which is essentially the whole package. The greatest proportion , 50%+, should be n-hexane ( CAS # 110-54-3, which you should find in the fine print on the back of the bottle).., and it is n-hexane which is the toxic component. >Short term exposure brings on the usual solvent 'afflictions' of nausea/lightheadness etc, and is reversible, but long term it can lead to lung and nerve damage, and in severe cases, limb paralysis. It is 'biodegradable'. >So, like any solvent really, treat with care, use with an organic vapour mask, protective gloves if skin exposure is also a problem, and plenty of ventilation. >Refined isomers like iso-hexane are much more expensive, less toxic, but less likely to be used in commercial preparations. > >Hexanes are volatile but plastic 'safe'... solvent based adhesives for expanded polystyrene are based on hexanes. They are good for removing grease and oil contaminants, but I find it too volatile to be of much use other than a surface wipe. >One thing to watch out for though is that most commercially available preparations can contain up to 5% toluene, which could cause some slight surface marking in styrene plastics. >I'll check and see if I have missed anything when I get back to work next week! > >Doane, > >Acetone is probably one of the 'safer' solvents, nowhere near as nasty as MEK and will 'cut' most oils and greases down. It is the same chemical family as MEK, but is more volatile (though not as fast as hexane) and less aggressive than MEK, partly due to that volatility. It will still 'chew' styrene based plastics and paints though and is the principle solvent in Ladies solvent nail varnish remover, along with some cuticle nourishing oils etc. > > > >On the topic of IPA, or iso-propyl alcohol, Kermit is bang on that if you are going to use an alcohol, make sure it anhydrous or 99% pure if possible. Most commercially available grades are 95%, the balance being water, and not quite as bad as it would seem, as the water preferentially stays with the alcohol and is not left on the surface, and we aren't swabbing it on are we?. So, if that is all you can get, I would still use it as it is better than nothing.. most likely any tape cleaning fluid from a HiFi shop or record shop will be 95%. >Alcohol is the head, capstan and pinch roller cleaner preferred by every tape manufacturer that I know of. Most likely because it is readily available to the general populace, effective, and generally least harmful to you and your machine. However, if you slosh it around, then you have the an electrical shorting hazard as Kermit says, and you have also created a flammability issue!. >There may be superior cleaning agents available to the professional user, but these. are not readily available over the counter to the average punter.. unlike IPA. All the "Pro's" I have worked with just used IPA.. normally 'sponged' from yours truly. > >Meths/methylated spirits/rubbing alcohol are all ethanol based and because of the other obvious use for ethanol :o), usually contain a denatureing agent rendering them unsuitable for drinking ( and hence tape cleaning) to get around excise duties. Pure ethanol is as effective as as IPA, you just cannot get it easily outside of a lab. >This reminds me of a 'jibe' in Practical HiFi many many moons ago, about tape deck maintenance, alcohols etc.... it went something like this.... as a last resort you can use a good quality vodka .. use a little on the deck and drink the rest to commiserate with yourself for letting the deck get that dirty in the first place. > >In terms of quantity, I just use a damp cotton bud.. dip in and then shake it a coupe of times!. If your bud is too wet, particularly if cleaning pinch rollers, they just skid and nothing happens, so back off for a second or two. The alcohol serves two functions, firstly as a mild cleaner, and secondly as a lubricant and coolant for the pinch roller surface as we don't want to gouge it or put any ridges on it, which is a risk if attempting 'dry' cleaning. I keep cleaning until the cotton bud comes up clean, or the pinch roller looks clean and even in colour....some rubbers just seem to keep 'shedding' black deposit.. ala the pinch rollers on my Denon M24.. no doubt a cheaper grade of rubber. I only use MEK on rubber components, and only if I have no other choice. > >I'll catch up with any fallout or comments next week... > >Cheers, > >Martin Martin: Thanks for the excellent and thorough explination. Just one more please... I had originally brought up the idea of using Acetone to clean out the sticky greese build up on Nak capstain Nylon bearings, which seems to be a common problem that people run into when buying the older decks. I said that I thought that Acetone would be safe for Nylon, but not for the styrene plastics... would I be correct in that assumption? If so, it would certainly be a better candidate then alcohol would to clean the Nak nylon sleve bearings out. From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Jan 16 09:49:21 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:49:21 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] MEK ?IPA etc,etc.. Message-ID: <006e01c61a79$be6b35e0$0201a8c0@lan> Oh, one last thing, reading digest vol 35 issue vol61.. still catching up... iso propyl alcohol has a density of 0.78 @25C vs water @1.00, so it is difficult to call it a heavy dense liquid, (and makes it dangerous to put out alcohol fires with water as the extinguishant.. the burning layer just continues to float on top.. ) For contaminants to rise to the surface of any fluid, they usually need a density that is lower than the surrounding fluid. I have no idea what the density of tape oxide residue is, but given that the magnetic medium is an iron oxide derivative, this would suggest that it is somewhat heavier . Native iron oxides are 5.2 - 5.7 typically. Then you need to get into the part of science dealing with surface tension and polarity, which would cover the interaction between the alcohol molecule and the tape residue particle... and it is really too late at night now for that..and too late at night for me! best regards to all, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 16 11:11:15 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:11:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MEK ?IPA etc,etc.. Message-ID: Dear Martin! Sorry, your explanation is lovely for scientific proposes/projects...however, we want to know if Alcohol is good or not...how dense is NOT relevant...I think...?. Regards, ALEX! >From: "Martin Short" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] MEK ?IPA etc,etc.. >Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:49:21 +1300 > >Oh, one last thing, reading digest vol 35 issue vol61.. still catching >up... iso propyl alcohol has a density of 0.78 @25C vs water @1.00, so it >is difficult to call it a heavy dense liquid, (and makes it dangerous to >put out alcohol fires with water as the extinguishant.. the burning layer >just continues to float on top.. ) > >For contaminants to rise to the surface of any fluid, they usually need a >density that is lower than the surrounding fluid. I have no idea what the >density of tape oxide residue is, but given that the magnetic medium is an >iron oxide derivative, this would suggest that it is somewhat heavier . >Native iron oxides are 5.2 - 5.7 typically. > >Then you need to get into the part of science dealing with surface tension >and polarity, which would cover the interaction between the alcohol >molecule and the tape residue particle... and it is really too late at >night now for that..and too late at night for me! > >best regards to all, > >Martin > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 15:50:00 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 06:50:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need help with belt install on Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060116145002.34118.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Richard Yes you need this belt on one side of the spool motion sensors ( there are two in Dragon ) to make the Dragon work correctly. You need to remove the front cover and also the level indicators ( LED Bar display ) - bit tricky if you have not worked on Dragon - get Dragon service manual - read it many times fore understand how the entire mechanical assembly is arranged and how to disassemble it - particularly sequence and the appropriate screws etc. wish you good luck - if you are around Pensylvania - then I can help you personally though ( or near Iowa City in Iowa where I spend 4 days in a week) Kannan RICHARD FIne wrote: Hello, I posted here origionally and from the input I got, I ordered both a replacement cam belt and auto stop belt. I found that the belt on the cam motor/pulley is fine. But, I found another pulley, in front of the Cam Drive Gear that is beltless. This pulley is much smaller than the Cam Drive Gear one, it has a small circuit board just below it covering it, and this pulley has the "Counter Load Arm Spring" directly in front of it (almost touching it). I am having trouble figuring out where the other pulley/connection point is for this belt (I am assuming this is the "Auto Shut Off Assembly", and that the belt that goes here is the "Auto Shut Stop Belt"). The problem I am having with my Dragon, is when I push the foreward play button, the tape will play for a split second, then stop, the same happens when I press the reverse play/reverse rewind/fastforeward buttons. I can't get it to play, only for a second. Thanks, Richard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 15:50:11 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 06:50:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need help with belt install on Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060116145011.30007.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Richard Yes you need this belt on one side of the spool motion sensors ( there are two in Dragon ) to make the Dragon work correctly. You need to remove the front cover and also the level indicators ( LED Bar display ) - bit tricky if you have not worked on Dragon - get Dragon service manual - read it many times fore understand how the entire mechanical assembly is arranged and how to disassemble it - particularly sequence and the appropriate screws etc. wish you good luck - if you are around Pensylvania - then I can help you personally though ( or near Iowa City in Iowa where I spend 4 days in a week) Kannan RICHARD FIne wrote: Hello, I posted here origionally and from the input I got, I ordered both a replacement cam belt and auto stop belt. I found that the belt on the cam motor/pulley is fine. But, I found another pulley, in front of the Cam Drive Gear that is beltless. This pulley is much smaller than the Cam Drive Gear one, it has a small circuit board just below it covering it, and this pulley has the "Counter Load Arm Spring" directly in front of it (almost touching it). I am having trouble figuring out where the other pulley/connection point is for this belt (I am assuming this is the "Auto Shut Off Assembly", and that the belt that goes here is the "Auto Shut Stop Belt"). The problem I am having with my Dragon, is when I push the foreward play button, the tape will play for a split second, then stop, the same happens when I press the reverse play/reverse rewind/fastforeward buttons. I can't get it to play, only for a second. Thanks, Richard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 15:50:10 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 06:50:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need help with belt install on Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060116145010.14073.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Richard Yes you need this belt on one side of the spool motion sensors ( there are two in Dragon ) to make the Dragon work correctly. You need to remove the front cover and also the level indicators ( LED Bar display ) - bit tricky if you have not worked on Dragon - get Dragon service manual - read it many times fore understand how the entire mechanical assembly is arranged and how to disassemble it - particularly sequence and the appropriate screws etc. wish you good luck - if you are around Pensylvania - then I can help you personally though ( or near Iowa City in Iowa where I spend 4 days in a week) Kannan RICHARD FIne wrote: Hello, I posted here origionally and from the input I got, I ordered both a replacement cam belt and auto stop belt. I found that the belt on the cam motor/pulley is fine. But, I found another pulley, in front of the Cam Drive Gear that is beltless. This pulley is much smaller than the Cam Drive Gear one, it has a small circuit board just below it covering it, and this pulley has the "Counter Load Arm Spring" directly in front of it (almost touching it). I am having trouble figuring out where the other pulley/connection point is for this belt (I am assuming this is the "Auto Shut Off Assembly", and that the belt that goes here is the "Auto Shut Stop Belt"). The problem I am having with my Dragon, is when I push the foreward play button, the tape will play for a split second, then stop, the same happens when I press the reverse play/reverse rewind/fastforeward buttons. I can't get it to play, only for a second. Thanks, Richard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Mon Jan 16 18:36:01 2006 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:36:01 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Grrrr - the power on after use issue! Message-ID: <20060116173601.88608.qmail@web35204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'day everyone - yes it's been ages, sorry for not posting but most of last year was a shocker :-S. I remember reading some months back about the power off issue after having finished using your deck. And the consensus seemed to be that turn it off soon after but don't feel that the moment the tape stops you have to switch it off, but don't leave it for hours either. Well. I haven't used my RX-505 (or the RX-202 for that matter) in some weeks, so tonight I played a C90 on the RX-505 just to make sure everything was fine. It was. Then I got engrossed on the net and...yes, left it on for some hours. Now there seems to be a quite loud humming when idle (more noticeable than LOUD), and I'm sure that normally it runs virtually silently when powered up. I'm a little annoyed as I only had it serviced and calibrated to my blanks 6 months ago - and it was serviced by the techs who have always been the Nakamichi techs in Melbourne (ie when Nak was Nak), these guys know their stuff. Everything seems to be working properly, nothing seems amiss except for the noticeable hum. Which wasn't there when I powered it up and played the cassette. When the cassette well is open the sound is louder and there was some heat. It seems like there is some activity going on in there now upon idle when there shouldn't be... I'm hoping that after it has sat idle overnight unpowered that it might be just a temporary glitch due to something overheating (these things do happen) but I'm not betting on it. Any similar experiences? Any guesses? You should be able to forget to turn the thing off for a few hours without damaging it really one would think! I guess it is 21 years old now though - it's about the 1600th made, definitely made in 1984 when the 505 run first started, although it hasn't been run into the ground at all. OF COURSE the 202 is still silent - and I didn't even give it the run through! Oh well. Iain. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Mon Jan 16 19:01:19 2006 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 05:01:19 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] I might be being a little paranoid. Message-ID: <20060116180119.61631.qmail@web35205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It occurred to me that it IS the middle of the night when all is silent in the house and that I may just be imagining things regarding the hum - perhaps it has always been louder than the RX-202 when idle. But I'm just not sure. They always have a little hum but I seem to remember both units being about the same level, ie if you listen for it you can hear the difference between power on and off, but it is barely there. Even when I say "noticeable" though, it is not discernible from 3 feet away, but you get up close and personal with these beasties. Oh hell. Look, if anybody owns both units (I know Bleus does) and knows they are in perfect condition, could they report as to whether one has a louder background noise when powered up? Or, is it telling that when the well is open the sound is louder, I don't remember THAT either. The 202 background noise is no louder either way... Sometimes I hate owning Nakamichi decks! (You know what I mean) Iain. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Messenger 7.0: Free worldwide PC to PC calls -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 16 21:20:29 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:20:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl limiteds produced Message-ID: <43CC000D.1000308@xs4all.nl> With 6 registered 1000ZXL LTD's and a new one on Ebay i took a closer look at the serial numbers. While the seller of the current LTD on sale, serial 80077, states 800 were build I think this is not true. The 7 Limited's have increasing digits at the last 2 positions, starting from 20 ending somewhere in the 70's. The starting digit's are 400, 800 and 900. The recent Limited that was sold on Ebay had 400 as a starting serial, it was auctioned on ebay US while the current 800 Limited is aucioned in ebay Germany and the Limited with the 900 number is from a Naktalker living somewhere in Asia. Another Limited is owned by a friend and be bought it in the US, and it's serial starts with 400. So my thoughts go to 99 produced units with the following origins: 400: USA 800: Europe 900: Asia So what do you think if these thoughts? Anybody owning a 1000ZXL Limited and hasn't registered yet?? Wouter From rossnkiely at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 21:38:08 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:38:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600's on e-bay! Message-ID: <6e1618b40601161238s5243bf32scdff7a059866a4df@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, just noticed a couple of 600's on ebay. 1-black & 1-silver!! For those who might be looking to add to their collection etc. I'm still waiting for the used one I bought last week on e-bay to arrive.Going to use it to either get mine running again or the one i got for parts running or hopefully Both! Ross. -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Mon Jan 16 23:55:06 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:55:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Grrrr - the power on after use issue! References: <20060116173601.88608.qmail@web35204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01d901c61aef$e50cb900$6801a8c0@Rondo> I once left my CR-7A on for 10 days when I went on vacation. It suffered no ill effects, fortunately. Ron W. G'day everyone - yes it's been ages, sorry for not posting but most of last year was a shocker :-S. I remember reading some months back about the power off issue after having finished using your deck. And the consensus seemed to be that turn it off soon after but don't feel that the moment the tape stops you have to switch it off, but don't leave it for hours either. Well. I haven't used my RX-505 (or the RX-202 for that matter) in some weeks, so tonight I played a C90 on the RX-505 just to make sure everything was fine. It was. Then I got engrossed on the net and...yes, left it on for some hours. Now there seems to be a quite loud humming when idle (more noticeable than LOUD), and I'm sure that normally it runs virtually silently when powered up.................. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 17 00:16:45 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:16:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Grrrr - the power on after use issue! In-Reply-To: <01d901c61aef$e50cb900$6801a8c0@Rondo> References: <20060116173601.88608.qmail@web35204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01d901c61aef$e50cb900$6801a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43CC295D.3080304@rcn.com> While leaving a deck on needlessly is not a good idea, it definitely will not harm the deck. The event described by the OP was just a quirk. The unit failed (if, indeed, it failed) simply because it's time to fail had come... -- Ron Ron Walton wrote: > I once left my CR-7A on for 10 days when I went on vacation. It > suffered no ill effects, fortunately. > > Ron W. > > > G'day everyone - yes it's been ages, sorry for not posting but most > of last year was a shocker :-S. > > I remember reading some months back about the power off issue after > having finished using your deck. And the consensus seemed to be > that turn it off soon after but don't feel that the moment the tape > stops you have to switch it off, but don't leave it for hours either. > > Well. > > I haven't used my RX-505 (or the RX-202 for that matter) in some > weeks, so tonight I played a C90 on the RX-505 just to make sure > everything was fine. It was. Then I got engrossed on the net > and...yes, left it on for some hours. Now there seems to be a quite > loud humming when idle (more noticeable than LOUD), and I'm sure > that normally it runs virtually silently when powered > up.................. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 00:24:12 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:24:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl limiteds produced In-Reply-To: <43CC000D.1000308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060116232412.9410.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thats entirely possible, given that there were different models of 1000ZXL for the NAmerican, European and Asia models. The 900 could also be international models with multiple voltages. Regards Bala Wouter Heijke wrote: With 6 registered 1000ZXL LTD's and a new one on Ebay i took a closer look at the serial numbers. While the seller of the current LTD on sale, serial 80077, states 800 were build I think this is not true. The 7 Limited's have increasing digits at the last 2 positions, starting from 20 ending somewhere in the 70's. The starting digit's are 400, 800 and 900. The recent Limited that was sold on Ebay had 400 as a starting serial, it was auctioned on ebay US while the current 800 Limited is aucioned in ebay Germany and the Limited with the 900 number is from a Naktalker living somewhere in Asia. Another Limited is owned by a friend and be bought it in the US, and it's serial starts with 400. So my thoughts go to 99 produced units with the following origins: 400: USA 800: Europe 900: Asia So what do you think if these thoughts? Anybody owning a 1000ZXL Limited and hasn't registered yet?? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 03:26:57 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:26:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Grrrr - the power on after use issue! In-Reply-To: <20060116173601.88608.qmail@web35204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060117022657.61487.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You probably already read this on-line somewhere, but for the benefit of other, the reason to not leave your deck on all the time is mainly because of the capstan bearing wear. At least on some decks. I'm almost sure that all 3-head Sankyo mechanism decks leave the capstan motor running all the time. I'm not 100% sure, but, I think decks using the classic nak mechanism also leave the capstan motor running. The noise from your RX-505 is most likely the capstan running. It normally is pretty darn quiet, but, over the years it might have an issue with hardened grease. It might need the bearings cleaned and relub'd. SJ --- Iain McGhee wrote: > G'day everyone - yes it's been ages, sorry for not posting but most > of last year was a shocker :-S. > > I remember reading some months back about the power off issue after > having finished using your deck. And the consensus seemed to be > that turn it off soon after but don't feel that the moment the tape > stops you have to switch it off, but don't leave it for hours > either. > > Well. > > I haven't used my RX-505 (or the RX-202 for that matter) in some > weeks, so tonight I played a C90 on the RX-505 just to make sure > everything was fine. It was. Then I got engrossed on the net > and...yes, left it on for some hours. Now there seems to be a > quite loud humming when idle (more noticeable than LOUD), and I'm > sure that normally it runs virtually silently when powered up. > > I'm a little annoyed as I only had it serviced and calibrated to my > blanks 6 months ago - and it was serviced by the techs who have > always been the Nakamichi techs in Melbourne (ie when Nak was Nak), > these guys know their stuff. > > Everything seems to be working properly, nothing seems amiss except > for the noticeable hum. Which wasn't there when I powered it up > and played the cassette. When the cassette well is open the sound > is louder and there was some heat. It seems like there is some > activity going on in there now upon idle when there shouldn't be... > > I'm hoping that after it has sat idle overnight unpowered that it > might be just a temporary glitch due to something overheating > (these things do happen) but I'm not betting on it. > > Any similar experiences? Any guesses? You should be able to > forget to turn the thing off for a few hours without damaging it > really one would think! I guess it is 21 years old now though - > it's about the 1600th made, definitely made in 1984 when the 505 > run first started, although it hasn't been run into the ground at > all. > > OF COURSE the 202 is still silent - and I didn't even give it the > run through! Oh well. > > Iain. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere > Photos and full Actor Database.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 03:33:03 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:33:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Cramolin Spray oil In-Reply-To: <43CC295D.3080304@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060117023303.60772.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I took a close look at the Cramolin oil today. Its Cramolin Silicon, and insulating and lubricating oil. I have been using this for quite some time in my reel to reel and cassette decks. One place it never fails to work is the cam mechanism in the old transport. Another place where it recently came to rescue was in the CR7 worm gear. Great product I think all Nakaphiles should keep in their maintainence kit. Regards Bala 79 Labs --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 17 04:56:09 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:56:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl limiteds produced Message-ID: Dear Wouter! I want to add the ONLY 1000ZXL that 100% is in Israel (Sorry the Black one not LTD), serial number: A-117-03448. This 1000ZXL black one was the 1000ZXL that I hear during middle 80ties versus a completely new Dragon...and I write again using the same TDK SA-X 100 minutes, assembled in USA Tape made in Japan (As written on the box label!), this specific 1000ZXL sound much fuller that the Dragon! BTW...Today I don't know what happen to this unit..still here...? working...? A mystery! As Kermit wrote my 2.5 cent help! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl limiteds produced >Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:20:29 +0100 > > >With 6 registered 1000ZXL LTD's and a new one on Ebay i took a closer look >at the serial numbers. >While the seller of the current LTD on sale, serial 80077, states 800 were >build I think this is not true. >The 7 Limited's have increasing digits at the last 2 positions, starting >from 20 ending somewhere in the 70's. >The starting digit's are 400, 800 and 900. The recent Limited that was sold >on Ebay had 400 as a starting serial, it was auctioned on ebay US while the >current 800 Limited is aucioned in ebay Germany and the Limited with the >900 number is from a Naktalker living somewhere in Asia. Another Limited is >owned by a friend and be bought it in the US, and it's serial starts with >400. >So my thoughts go to 99 produced units with the following origins: > >400: USA >800: Europe >900: Asia > >So what do you think if these thoughts? >Anybody owning a 1000ZXL Limited and hasn't registered yet?? > >Wouter >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Tue Jan 17 05:32:37 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:32:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX3 circuits Message-ID: Does anyone have circuit diagrams or manual for a LX3? I think mine has orange cap disease. David From teethrus at bigpond.net.au Tue Jan 17 13:14:19 2006 From: teethrus at bigpond.net.au (Nick Mega) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:14:19 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580 Azimuth Message-ID: <43CCDF9B.4060304@bigpond.net.au> Hi Guys I have a Nak 580 2 head deck and the azimuth is out on both the heads erase and record/playback. I have an audio generator and a couple of other nak decks. could anyone advise me on how to re align the head(s) i know i am naughty for messing with them but the reasons where good at the time Thanks Nick mega -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/1/2006 From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Tue Jan 17 14:51:56 2006 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (Iain McGhee) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:51:56 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] I know somebody in Sydney with a 1000ZXL Message-ID: <20060117135156.98951.qmail@web35203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> However he isn't a Naktalk or Nakchatt subscriber Wouter, but I could with some prodding get the serial number off him. He has 4 1000ZX's as well, 2 in perfect condition and the other two in mainly fine condition - the four ZX units there for use further up the chain should spares be needed. Iain. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Tue Jan 17 15:17:22 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:17:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Cramolin Oil Message-ID: <001701c61b70$bc543480$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Bala wrote: >Hi, >I took a close look at the Cramolin oil today. Its Cramolin Silicon, and insulating and lubricating oil. I have been using this for quite some time in my reel to reel and cassette decks. One place it >never fails to work is the cam mechanism in the old transport. Another place where it recently came to rescue was in the CR7 worm gear. Great product I think all Nakaphiles should keep in >their maintainence kit. >Regards >Bala <79 Labs Hi Bala, Cramolin was a trade name of Caig Laboratories. They have replaced the Cramolin or Caeon product lines with the Deoxit, Preservit, Caikleen, and Cailube product names. None of the Cramolin products they list on their roduct replacement reference are called Cramolin Oil. They list Cramolin Red, Cramolin R5, Cramolin R2, Cramolin Blue, Caeon 27, Caeon 28, and Cramolin Paste. Which Cramolin product are you refering to? What exactly is on the label? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 15:54:48 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:54:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Cramolin Oil In-Reply-To: <001701c61b70$bc543480$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <20060117145448.80623.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Robert, Cramolin is a branch of contact chemicals manufactured by ITW Chemische Produkte GmbH in Germany. Caig used to import Cramolin's contact cleaning line and package it under their own name (this details can be found on Caig's website). However, due to the freon propellent being used, Caig stopped bringing them in. Caig eventually started making their own cleaners called De*Ox*It (now called DeOxIt). Here is the URL : http://www.cramolin.de/starteng.htm Best Regards Bala 79 Labs rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Bala wrote: >Hi, >I took a close look at the Cramolin oil today. Its Cramolin Silicon, and insulating and lubricating oil. I have been using this for quite some time in my reel to reel and cassette decks. One place it >never fails to work is the cam mechanism in the old transport. Another place where it recently came to rescue was in the CR7 worm gear. Great product I think all Nakaphiles should keep in >their maintainence kit. >Regards >Bala <79 Labs Hi Bala, Cramolin was a trade name of Caig Laboratories. They have replaced the Cramolin or Caeon product lines with the Deoxit, Preservit, Caikleen, and Cailube product names. None of the Cramolin products they list on their roduct replacement reference are called Cramolin Oil. They list Cramolin Red, Cramolin R5, Cramolin R2, Cramolin Blue, Caeon 27, Caeon 28, and Cramolin Paste. Which Cramolin product are you refering to? What exactly is on the label? Robert Kent ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Tue Jan 17 16:03:23 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:03:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Cramolin Oil References: <20060117145448.80623.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c61b77$29dd3960$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Thanks Bala, The URL was helpfull. Which Cramolin are you using? I still don't see anything called Cramolin Oil. Robert Kent Hi Robert, Cramolin is a branch of contact chemicals manufactured by ITW Chemische Produkte GmbH in Germany. Caig used to import Cramolin's contact cleaning line and package it under their own name (this details can be found on Caig's website). However, due to the freon propellent being used, Caig stopped bringing them in. Caig eventually started making their own cleaners called De*Ox*It (now called DeOxIt). Here is the URL : http://www.cramolin.de/starteng.htm Best Regards Bala 79 Labs rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Bala, Cramolin was a trade name of Caig Laboratories. They have replaced the Cramolin or Caeon product lines with the Deoxit, Preservit, Caikleen, and Cailube product names. None of the Cramolin products they list on their roduct replacement reference are called Cramolin Oil. They list Cramolin Red, Cramolin R5, Cramolin R2, Cramolin Blue, Caeon 27, Caeon 28, and Cramolin Paste. Which Cramolin product are you refering to? What exactly is on the label? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 17:37:49 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:37:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Cramolin Oil In-Reply-To: <20060117145448.80623.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060117163749.22494.qmail@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> While I am a fan of silicon lubricants for the occasional squeak and 100% Red Cramolin (R-100L) for deoxidizing and protecting electrical contacts I'm not sure this product that Bala mentioned is right for lubricating the mechanincal parts in out beloved Naks. The Nak service manual (for 3-head Sankyo mechanism) specifies four different lubricants for different parts. Molykote grease, FLOIL, Diamond Oil (EP56) and Anderol 456. Each oil is designed for a different task. You don't put wheel bearing grease in your engine, nor do you put motor oil in your wheel bearings. They require totally different lubricants. Molykote grease is a thick grease containing molybdenumdisulfide which is good for lubricating parts that have high pressures. Pressures that would just push other lubricants out of the way. Take silicon lub and put some on your fingers and rub them together, it's slippery. Now press your fingers together as hard as you can and is it still slippery? Probably not. Now do the same with Molykote. It's sticky between your fingers under light pressure, but under high pressure it slides much better than silicon. Please keep in mind that there is no one lubricant for all jobs. If you read the service manual it lists which lub should be used where. Just my 2 cents. SJ --- Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Robert, > > Cramolin is a branch of contact chemicals manufactured by > ITW Chemische Produkte GmbH in Germany. Caig used to import > Cramolin's contact cleaning line and package it under their own > name (this details can be found on Caig's website). However, due to > the freon propellent being used, Caig stopped bringing them in. > Caig eventually started making their own cleaners called De*Ox*It > (now called DeOxIt). > > Here is the URL : > http://www.cramolin.de/starteng.htm > > Best Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Bala wrote: > >Hi, > >I took a close look at the Cramolin oil today. Its Cramolin > Silicon, and insulating and lubricating oil. I have been using this > for quite some time in my reel to reel and cassette decks. One > place it >never fails to work is the cam mechanism in the old > transport. Another place where it recently came to rescue was in > the CR7 worm gear. Great product I think all Nakaphiles should > keep in >their maintainence kit. > >Regards > >Bala > <79 Labs > > Hi Bala, > Cramolin was a trade name of Caig Laboratories. They have > replaced the Cramolin or Caeon product lines with the Deoxit, > Preservit, Caikleen, and Cailube product names. None of the > Cramolin products they list on their roduct replacement reference > are called Cramolin Oil. They list Cramolin Red, Cramolin R5, > Cramolin R2, Cramolin Blue, Caeon 27, Caeon 28, and Cramolin Paste. > Which Cramolin product are you refering to? What exactly is on > the label? > Robert Kent > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, > holidays, whatever.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From earthrite at gn.apc.org Tue Jan 17 07:03:23 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:03:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol: a salutary tale and Pot for Nak 500 (digression alert) In-Reply-To: <200601160853.k0G8rVm9019270@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: > Kermit wrote: > You know what this means, don't you? I'm trying to score some pot(s). > Far out, man. Doane wrote: Most commercially available grades are 95%, the balance being water,.... SNIP... So, if that is all you can get, I would still use it as it is better than nothing.. most likely any tape cleaning fluid from a HiFi shop or record shop will be 95%. My name is Ian and i dont have a drink problem! but I recommend industrial alcohol for cleaning BASED ON RECENT personal experience: But pot or alcohol the advice is the same ....... Some 3 years ago after rebuilding part of our 250 year old house and unpacking the vinyl records again (the dusty work being over) I set the Linn lp12 up and found the new room (with much more day light) showed up how dirty my well cared for collection was. Most records are individually stored in pvc like record protectors and then the records themselves in their sleeves etc. however some of them date back to say 1966 ..... even older in some second hand cases. However in this new room with (too much glass in it but thats another story) daylight and with a bright acoustic the surface noise of the records was unbearable. So I took the most favoured lp's to the the dealers in Edinburgh where I got records cleaned over the years only to find the place given over to surround sound TV sales........ aaargh. However they still owned the Keith Monks record cleaner which is the traditional and normal pro option here in the UK. But it was no longer set up for use ....... I was quite sad but a few minutes discussion and dropped remarks by the assistants alerted me to the fact that I could claim favoured customer status and hire the machine for use at home and do the whole collection ...... wow. So I did that and drove the 100 mile round trip however I had to provide my own industrial alcohol ...... a few amusing phone calls to doctor friends got me a prescription from a pharmacy. however I had to phone round for a week to find a pharmacy that stocked the beast! However they took a week to get in it from their depot ....... there's little call for it these days they said. So Doane is right its really hard even for pharmacies to get here in Scotland and only 2 pharmacies in the whole of Scotland were 'authorised' to stock the stuff on a routine basi, I dunno why ... fire risk maybe? Anyway enough of that. I got home and being sort of self employed or a slacker or in worldly terms apparently unemployed (alas) I had loads of time to get cleaning. it was summer The new room is a summer room, it was hot, the stereo was set up, my dear wife was away seeing her folks for a week. how great a time awaited. I got cleaning and was in the zone for daze. The record cleaner was doing a fantastic job, sorting out jumps and crackles and surface noise, especially if I played them wet and sloshy (ie before drying with the built in vacuum cleaner). I got into this method working on difficult noisey bits, cleanthe disc, play it , check if the problem was dealt with and if not, drench it in industrial strength alcohol and start over again. The worldly wise amongst you might sense where we are heading in this story. The music sounded FANTASTIC and I began to listen more and sing along whilst cleaning and as all this taking place on the floor where i am wont to be. I found myself highly motivated and I began to start the work earlier every day and end later at night even thought the weather outside was getting hotter all the time. Occassionally I would doze off where I sat and I was spending hours in there. I was excited to be so enjoying the records so much as I hadnt enjoyed the music this much since I smoked bales of homegrown jerrymuana It was during those years I bought the first items in my present hi fi. Eventually I began to open the windows as it was just getting hotter all the time. After a while I felt the music was no longer quite so satisfying and I supposed that cleaning 200 records and listening to loads of them to check etc had just glutted me out. So I just sped on thru the rest of them. I called a friend over to bring his albums over as i had the machine for another week at least. He was a American who had just moved to live in the UK, he had original very dirty Fugs albums and all sorts of very early psychedelic and loads of lp's from all that melange of folk, poetry and rock that occurred in the mid late 60's. He arrived and just about fell over ......... the whole house reeked of alcohol fumes and its a long 5 room walk from where he arrived to where the fumes were eee-manating! Opening the windows had in fact diluted the dosage i was on so i had merely begun to sober up and enjoy the music slighly less. It seems i had been on a week long bender with neat industrial alcohol! It was the best of weeks it was the worst of weeks! As a virtual non drinker i hadnt recognised the signs at all and there had been no headaches ....... a lot of sleep which I put down to my temporary bachelor state with its geek sleep patterns. It was such a laugh to realise this I had such a great time and I still have the prescription as and some spare alcohol left so maybe i'll use that for Nak cleaning....... however as I type I suppose i could have passed out in inappropriate circumstances ........ however all had been well and I hope the albums will mostly last another 20 years under the more auspicious storage regime they now have.... and much less handling than when they were new and in demand for those smoky sessions this person had back then. So when the call to clean comes my tip is open the windows persuade your doctor chums to give you a prescription, and like President Clinton dont inhale. Oh yes my one off copy of HI FI world arrived yesterday and I can eventually scan the B & W pages and .... what send it to Brother Wouter? The picture of the 600 is gorgeous i can see why some of you really like them. I say 'eventually scan' as on the night before the full moon my g4 powerbook screen decided to go awol ... for good is my sense ....... As I have to take my better half on holiday to the Canaries on Sunday before the lack of sunlight drives us nuts I cant do too much about replacing/fixing the laptop or therefore scan the artikle due to a lack of pfenninks and as I'll be away lying on a beach near a volcano in the middle of the ocean nowhere near a scanner. Around full moon I find I blow lightbulbs, fuses etc and often have computer hassles ...... i hope NAKS are built of sterner stuff than laptops in this regard. PSI only use apple computers and always have done but I dont have a iPod partly because I dont want a system that normally requires me to load it up with music via my computer. I keep my computer as separate from my hifi as possible as I need all the space on the hard drive. An ipod would be good for my recorded evening classes to be on so I can revise al the time. But I aint putting the sounds onto my computer just to routinely put them on an ipod. Theres a work around but I wish iTunes and iPod werent meant to be linked at the hip. I believe other similar devices can load directly from cd players etc. However the recent interesting ipod, mp3 debate has taught me something .... theres an ancillary forum called audiotalk, I hadnt heard of it or seen it and sans laptop I wont be visiting it soon ...... is it also run by Wouter and do you chaps and chappesses post there too? So if this is digression then like alcohol I'm on a learning curve but not on a bender. Peace ian r scotland From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Jan 17 20:06:03 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:06:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Opamps, masterclocks &SUPER TUNED Message-ID: <000e01c61b99$228f7110$e1d017c4@home> If there is anyone out there who has a Nak CD-4 CD player(Please note this is not a CD Player4,which is a contempary of Amp !,Receiver 1 etc) with a service manual,I would appreciate if he/she can look up for me the Master clock speed/frequency,which should be located on D/A Converter PCB Assembly Board.I am upgrading 2 of my OMS-7 by installing/replacing the Master clock with a Super Clock,which I have been led to believe will make the old OMS-7 into a very high end equivalent CD player.I understand the theory of it ,but whether it will make a difference--we'll see!)The old master clock frequency is the lowest noted,sothat the superclock people are creating a new superclock were the 'primary 'speed is the same as on the old Nak specially for me!.The upgrade encompases a seperate super constant power supply for the superclock as well as replacing opamps 4075 with expensive super duper jobs! As I presently do not have access to the CD-4 and an order is a bit cumbersone to Australia(they are the ones making the specials for me) for this,I thought i will get the CD-4 clock at the same time as the OMS-7s .! After reading all the hallobaloo about the virtues of a ZX9 recently on Naktalk,I decided to acquire one.(I have a muliple lot of Dragons and CR7s---and believe classical music should be listened to on a Dragon and lively stuff eg Jazz goes to the CR7) The reason for this thesis is not to let the world know about this,but to find out what "SUPER TUNED" means in relation to a ZX9. A eBay listing had this as a description and the seller of my unit (not listed on eBay)had the same description.Is this what the clever people in Nederland (teldec(?))did to the machine or was it a Nakamichi inspired specific version? Help would be appreciated. OH,thanks for reading this far! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Tue Jan 17 21:42:45 2006 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:42:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: alcohol bollicks(?) In-Reply-To: <200601171910.k0HJ92jI025257@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601171910.k0HJ92jI025257@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: > >Message: 7 >Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:03:23 +0000 >From: earthrite at gn.apc.org >Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol: a salutary tale and Pot for Nak 500 > (digression alert) >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >> Kermit wrote: >> You know what this means, don't you? I'm trying to score some pot(s). >> Far out, man. > >Doane wrote: Most commercially available grades are 95%, the balance >being water,.... SNIP... So, if that is all you can get, I would still >use it as it is better than nothing.. most likely any tape cleaning >fluid from a HiFi shop or record shop will be 95%. > My name is Ian and i dont have a drink problem! Hi Nakaholics: re alcohol etc ad nauseum in Scotland. How very droll. Thank God I live in Cornwall! At least He's a Mac man. My name is John and I do have a drink problem. I can't afford Remy Martin Re Vinyl cleaning: a recipe: a 1 litre mix: 1/3 isopropanol, 2/3 distilled water, 2-3 drops of photographers wetting agent - I use Ilford Ilfotol, a very good quality detergent. This recipe is not my own, but distilled from dozens on the internet. It works. I use this with a marvellous device sold for £44 sold by Diverse Vinyl in Wales, having used up the very expensive (but good) gunk they supply with the machine. This bathes the album in the liquid, rotates it through goat hair brushes, both sides at once, and removes everything, including the mold release agent left by the vinyl press. It takes about 90 seconds to clean an album. You won't believe the results. A new album will be improved by this technique. By the way I have no connection with this (very excellent) firm who will try to sell you the replacement fluid at £12 per litre. Their vinyl list is fabulous, but pricey. Re Alcohol: Isopropanol, which cleans a Nak Head beautifully (sparingly used on rubber) costs about £3 per liter from CFS Partnership, 01209 821028 in the UK. They will sell it pro rata much cheaper in 5 litre drums. If in USA, or anywhere, seek out a fibre glass boat builders supplier as Isopropanol is used in large quantities in GRP and plastics techniques. Industrial grade (96%) pure metholated spirit (ie colourless, not the purple stuff which is for drinking only in Scotland) is also very good for albums but my contact at the hospital (who used to build his own cartridges) has adjourned to Cyprus. Sad already. -- Regards to all true Nakkers John Chapman, Cornwall From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 17 21:52:33 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:52:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: alcohol bollicks(?) In-Reply-To: References: <200601171910.k0HJ92jI025257@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <43CD5911.8060704@yahoo.ca> >This bathes the album in the liquid, rotates it through goat hair brushes, both sides at once, and removes everything, including the mold release agent left by the vinyl press. Also the grooves? ;-) Antoine Deschênes From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 17 21:52:53 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:52:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Opamps, masterclocks &SUPER TUNED In-Reply-To: <000e01c61b99$228f7110$e1d017c4@home> References: <000e01c61b99$228f7110$e1d017c4@home> Message-ID: <43CD5925.4020109@yahoo.ca> I can't tell you but 11.5896MHz, 16.9344MHz and 45.1584MHz are the most common. Some "super-clock" sellers have a CD player database which states the speed you need like LCAudio. Antoine Deschênes drewes a écrit : > /If there is anyone out there who has a Nak CD-4 CD player(Please note > this is not a CD Player4,which is a contempary of Amp !,Receiver 1 > etc) with a service manual,I would appreciate if he/she can look up > for me the Master clock speed/frequency,which should be located on D/A > Converter PCB Assembly Board.I am upgrading 2 of my OMS-7 by > installing/replacing the Master clock with a Super Clock,which I have > been led to believe will make the old OMS-7 into a very high end > equivalent CD player.I understand the theory of it ,but whether it > will make a difference--we'll see!)The old master clock frequency is > the lowest noted,sothat the superclock people are creating a new > superclock were the 'primary 'speed is the same as on the old Nak > specially for me!.The upgrade encompases a seperate super constant > power supply for the superclock as well as replacing opamps 4075 with > expensive super duper jobs!/ > /As I presently do not have access to the CD-4 and an order is a bit > cumbersone to Australia(they are the ones making the specials for > me) for this,I thought i will get the CD-4 clock at the same time as > the OMS-7s .!/ > /After reading all the hallobaloo about the virtues of a ZX9 recently > on Naktalk,I decided to acquire one.(I have a muliple lot of Dragons > and CR7s---and believe classical music should be listened to on a > Dragon and lively stuff eg Jazz goes to the CR7)/ > /The reason for this thesis is not to let the world know about > this,but to find out what "SUPER TUNED" means in relation to a ZX9. A > eBay listing had this as a description and the seller of my unit (not > listed on eBay)had the same description.Is this what the clever people > in Nederland (teldec(?))did to the machine or was it a Nakamichi > inspired specific version?/ > /Help would be appreciated./ > /OH,thanks for reading this far!/ > /Walter/ > // > // > // > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 02:35:27 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:35:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580 Azimuth In-Reply-To: <43CCDF9B.4060304@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <20060118013527.91976.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is going to be fun. Here's a drawing of the head block. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Fig_4-6.gif Since yours is a 2-head it won't have screws for the record head (RH). Now when you screwed up your head did the center white nylon screw come out? If it did you're screwed. You will need to adjust the tilt which requires a jig (see Fig 4.5 on this page http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt1.html) Now if you didn't screw up the tilt then you just need to adjust height and azimuth. This isn't so bad. On the good Nak record a tape with something like 400 Hz and 15 kHz at a fairly low volume like -10dB. You might want to record each for about 10-15 seconds and alternate between the two. Play the tape in the screwed up Nak and starting with the 400 Hz tone. Adjust the PH Height for maximum level. See diagram below for location of the screws. BTW adjust the center screw, the one that sticks out a little further than the rest. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Fig_4-17.gif Then play the 15kHz tone and adjust the PH Azimuth screw for maximum level. Repeat until both height and azimuth both are optimally adjusted. The adjustment of the erase head is not as critical, BUT, requires jigs to do it properly. You can kind of do this one, but, it's all trial and error and not very precise. Record a 400 Hz or 1kHz tone really hot (0dB or more) and then record silence over it (it would be best if you could somehow disable the record head). Then listen to the silence to hear the effectiveness of the erase. You may find that one side got erased more than the other. There are three screws, height, tilt and azimuth. See figure 4.17. Now adjust the Height back and forth while repeating the above procedure to until you get maximum quieting in both channele. Once the height is set adjust the azimuth screw to make the head as perpendicular to the tape path as possible (without jigs you just have to eyeball it). Then using the tilt screw adjust so that the head is flat against the tape or tape shell. This is a hard one to explain. If you put a ruler flat on the erase head the ruler should stick out straight. Just the tilt to make it straight. After you've done that, do it all again until no further adjustments are necessary. The alighnment of the EH is not very critical to recording, but, it will cause uneven wear if it's off. Have fun. SJ --- Nick Mega wrote: > Hi Guys > I have a Nak 580 2 head deck and the azimuth is out on both the > heads > erase and record/playback. > I have an audio generator and a couple of other nak decks. > could anyone advise me on how to re align the head(s) > i know i am naughty for messing with them but the reasons where > good at > the time > Thanks > Nick mega > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: > 16/1/2006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 02:41:54 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:41:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX3 circuits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060118014154.97534.qmail@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Since component values can change over the production run of a product sometimes the service manual or schematic won't match your deck. If yours has orange cap disease you should find every orange cap and replace them all with the same value. Don't rely on what the schematic says. I guess you could track down the problem and replace just the offending part, but, if it is an orange cap, you should replace them all as others aren't far behind. By the way, I don't Think I have the schematic, but, I Might. I'll check tonight. SJ --- David Thompson wrote: > Does anyone have circuit diagrams or manual for a LX3? I think mine > has > orange cap disease. > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 02:53:33 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:53:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46 loads of set up tapes and guages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060118015333.42808.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The tapes naac.tr was/is selling are for calibrating/adjusting record level and record bias for the EX, SX and ZX tape positions. For that they are perfect. But I doubt any of us are using actual Nakamichi EX-II, SX or ZX tapes. It is best to do these adjustments using the tapes that we actually use. In my case TDK AD-X, SA and MA SJ > Hi nakaholics, > > So no one bought this tape. If this Nak tape doesn't do the > business, > what tape does?I have a BX300 and a ZX7 to sort out. Do I need a > special cassette? I do not have an oscilloscope but do have an > Ampex > R-to-R prerecorded original tape with tones etc. I have just bought > > 45 new maxell XL and have stacks of TDK SA and SA-X's recorded on a > > budget Kenwood. (We all make mistakes!) These may be recorded over. > I > have always managed to get the best out of modest tape decks by > recording a fixed tone source in stereo through identical mikes and > > adjusting azimuth by ear till the replay sounds like to original. I > > suspect you may tell me this is not quite the done thing! I now > want > to do it properly. > > Any advice appreciated. Thanks > -- > Regards > > John Chapman > Phoenix Design, Still Waters, > Quay Road, Devoran, Truro, TR3 6PW > 01872 865505 Mob 07740 565255 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 03:12:27 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:12:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580 Azimuth In-Reply-To: <20060118013527.91976.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060118021227.15324.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, I am looking for the 700ZXL schematics. Any chance you might have it? Thanks in advance Best Regards, Bala Scott Johnson wrote: This is going to be fun. Here's a drawing of the head block. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Fig_4-6.gif Since yours is a 2-head it won't have screws for the record head (RH). Now when you screwed up your head did the center white nylon screw come out? If it did you're screwed. You will need to adjust the tilt which requires a jig (see Fig 4.5 on this page http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt1.html) Now if you didn't screw up the tilt then you just need to adjust height and azimuth. This isn't so bad. On the good Nak record a tape with something like 400 Hz and 15 kHz at a fairly low volume like -10dB. You might want to record each for about 10-15 seconds and alternate between the two. Play the tape in the screwed up Nak and starting with the 400 Hz tone. Adjust the PH Height for maximum level. See diagram below for location of the screws. BTW adjust the center screw, the one that sticks out a little further than the rest. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Fig_4-17.gif Then play the 15kHz tone and adjust the PH Azimuth screw for maximum level. Repeat until both height and azimuth both are optimally adjusted. The adjustment of the erase head is not as critical, BUT, requires jigs to do it properly. You can kind of do this one, but, it's all trial and error and not very precise. Record a 400 Hz or 1kHz tone really hot (0dB or more) and then record silence over it (it would be best if you could somehow disable the record head). Then listen to the silence to hear the effectiveness of the erase. You may find that one side got erased more than the other. There are three screws, height, tilt and azimuth. See figure 4.17. Now adjust the Height back and forth while repeating the above procedure to until you get maximum quieting in both channele. Once the height is set adjust the azimuth screw to make the head as perpendicular to the tape path as possible (without jigs you just have to eyeball it). Then using the tilt screw adjust so that the head is flat against the tape or tape shell. This is a hard one to explain. If you put a ruler flat on the erase head the ruler should stick out straight. Just the tilt to make it straight. After you've done that, do it all again until no further adjustments are necessary. The alighnment of the EH is not very critical to recording, but, it will cause uneven wear if it's off. Have fun. SJ --- Nick Mega wrote: > Hi Guys > I have a Nak 580 2 head deck and the azimuth is out on both the > heads > erase and record/playback. > I have an audio generator and a couple of other nak decks. > could anyone advise me on how to re align the head(s) > i know i am naughty for messing with them but the reasons where > good at > the time > Thanks > Nick mega > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: > 16/1/2006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 18 03:56:46 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:56:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol: a salutary tale and Pot for Nak 500 (digression alert) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CDAE6E.3070605@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Ian! earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: >> Kermit wrote: >> You know what this means, don't you? I'm trying to score some pot(s). >> Far out, man. > > > Doane wrote: Most commercially available grades are 95%, the balance > being water,.... SNIP... So, if that is all you can get, I would still > use it as it is better than nothing.. most likely any tape cleaning > fluid from a HiFi shop or record shop will be 95%. > > My name is Ian and i dont have a drink problem! but I recommend > industrial alcohol for cleaning BASED ON RECENT personal experience: But > pot or alcohol the advice is the same ....... > > Some 3 years ago after rebuilding part of our 250 year old house and > unpacking the vinyl records again (the dusty work being over) I set the > Linn lp12 up and found the new room (with much more day light) showed up > how dirty my well cared for collection was. ... However in this new > room with (too much glass in it but thats another story) daylight and > with a bright acoustic the surface noise of the records was unbearable. > So I took the most favoured lp's to the the dealers in Edinburgh where I > got records cleaned over the years only to find the place given over to > surround sound TV sales........ aaargh. > ...I got > into this method working on difficult noisey bits, cleanthe disc, play > it , check if the problem was dealt with and if not, drench it in > industrial strength alcohol and start over again. The worldly wise > amongst you might sense where we are heading in this story. > I was excited to be so enjoying the records so much as I hadnt enjoyed > the music this much since I smoked bales of homegrown jerrymuana It was > during those years I bought the first items in my present hi fi. > Eventually I began to open the windows as it was just getting hotter all > the time. After a while I felt the music was no longer quite so > satisfying and I supposed that cleaning 200 records and listening to > loads of them to check etc had just glutted me out ... the whole house > reeked of alcohol ... > It seems i had been on a week long bender with neat industrial alcohol! > It was the best of weeks it was the worst of weeks! "Homegrown jerrymuana"? Not Tijuana Seedless? I'm joking. Oh, wow man, talk about a "high" fidelity system. It's a good thing you weren't stopped afterward by the local police for a traffic violation. When they would have tested your blood alcohol content I doubt they'd believe as an excuse, "But officer, I was just cleaning my LP collection...." Hey, at least you didn't decide to clean an Ampex 354 indoors (windows closed) with the original Ampex head cleaner formula -- pure xylene. Turns even the greatest tape op into a space cadet. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Jan 18 04:44:26 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:44:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Ist NAKTALK world convention...2006 or 7? Message-ID: Heres a proposal for all of us great Naktalkers to meet for a week in ATlanta , Georgia, USA ,(probably the most best hub for europe and american destinations) for the 1st NAKtalk World convention, WE could get a travel planner to give special discount airfare and hotel. I know a great brewpub in downtown Atlanta(if its still there after I was there a few years ago)where we could hang out. Actually, ATlanta is an AWESOME city I want to visit again anyway, so this is just a pipedream, i guess, cause I would like to meet some of my extended "family".I'm the "blacksheep"-the one who doesnt know a capacitor from a resistor! LOL.THis would probably be more of a "north American" alliance, but might lead to a similar European NAktalk convention, and ultimately to a NAKtalk "WORLD" meeting! I've heard thos proposed before, so I'm just kind of "rekindling" the notion. The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 18 05:31:15 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:31:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: alcohol bollicks(?) Message-ID: Shalom John! You wrote...Re Vinyl cleaning: a recipe: a 1 litre mix: 1/3 isopropanol, 2/3 >distilled water, 2-3 drops of photographers wetting agent - I use Ilford >Ilfotol, a very good quality detergent. This recipe is not my own, but >distilled from dozens on the internet. It works. YES...as I own a Nitty Gritty 2.5 cleaning machine since 1992, and the original One US gallon liquid, mostly evaporated and party I used...I prepare the same "Formula"...with an a very important differences...I USE ALWAYS RAIN WATER + Agepon photography wetting agent, as Ilford here is very scarce, only B & W films are imported. Afyer that Our Lord provide us with a "Little Bit" of rain, I collect at least near 3 US gallons, filtered trough my "Cofee Paper Filter"...(Using ONLY such Paper filter to filtre any leaves, and other outside dirty), such quatity suffices me also for the car battery, and my wife "Stream Iron". As you so clever wrote...REALLY works amazing well!. Cheers, ALEX! >From: John Chapman >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: alcohol >bollicks(?) >Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:42:45 +0000 > >> >>Message: 7 >>Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:03:23 +0000 >>From: earthrite at gn.apc.org >>Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol: a salutary tale and Pot for Nak 500 >> (digression alert) >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Message-ID: >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >>> Kermit wrote: >>> You know what this means, don't you? I'm trying to score some pot(s). >>> Far out, man. >> >>Doane wrote: Most commercially available grades are 95%, the balance >>being water,.... SNIP... So, if that is all you can get, I would still >>use it as it is better than nothing.. most likely any tape cleaning >>fluid from a HiFi shop or record shop will be 95%. >> >My name is Ian and i dont have a drink problem! > >Hi Nakaholics: > >re alcohol etc ad nauseum in Scotland. How very droll. Thank God I live in >Cornwall! At least He's a Mac man. > >My name is John and I do have a drink problem. I can't afford Remy Martin > >Re Vinyl cleaning: a recipe: a 1 litre mix: 1/3 isopropanol, 2/3 distilled >water, 2-3 drops of photographers wetting agent - I use Ilford Ilfotol, a >very good quality detergent. This recipe is not my own, but distilled from >dozens on the internet. It works. I use this with a marvellous device sold >for �44 sold by Diverse Vinyl in Wales, having used up the very expensive >(but good) gunk they supply with the machine. This bathes the album in the >liquid, rotates it through goat hair brushes, both sides at once, and >removes everything, including the mold release agent left by the vinyl >press. It takes about 90 seconds to clean an album. You won't believe the >results. A new album will be improved by this technique. By the way I have >no connection with this (very excellent) firm who will try to sell you the >replacement fluid at �12 per litre. Their vinyl list is fabulous, but >pricey. > >Re Alcohol: Isopropanol, which cleans a Nak Head beautifully (sparingly >used on rubber) costs about �3 per liter from CFS Partnership, 01209 821028 >in the UK. They will sell it pro rata much cheaper in 5 litre drums. If in >USA, or anywhere, seek out a fibre glass boat builders supplier as >Isopropanol is used in large quantities in GRP and plastics techniques. >Industrial grade (96%) pure metholated spirit (ie colourless, not the >purple stuff which is for drinking only in Scotland) is also very good for >albums but my contact at the hospital (who used to build his own >cartridges) has adjourned to Cyprus. Sad already. > > >-- >Regards to all true Nakkers > >John Chapman, Cornwall > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hansp at telusplanet.net Wed Jan 18 07:34:03 2006 From: hansp at telusplanet.net (Hans Papenhoven) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:34:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <000801c61bf9$303e3e30$d700a8c0@Papenhoven> Hans -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Wed Jan 18 07:54:24 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:54:24 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: alcohol bollicks(?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For what its worth I found this diy alternative method online. http://www.teresaudio.com/haven/cleaner/cleaner.html David > From: Alex Cozac > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:31:15 +0000 > To: > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: alcohol > bollicks(?) > > Shalom John! > > You wrote...Re Vinyl cleaning: a recipe: a 1 litre mix: 1/3 isopropanol, 2/3 >> distilled water, 2-3 drops of photographers wetting agent - I use Ilford >> Ilfotol, a very good quality detergent. This recipe is not my own, but >> distilled from dozens on the internet. It works. > > YES...as I own a Nitty Gritty 2.5 cleaning machine since 1992, and the > original One US gallon liquid, mostly evaporated and party I used...I > prepare the same "Formula"...with an a very important differences...I USE > ALWAYS RAIN WATER + Agepon photography wetting agent, as Ilford here is very > scarce, only B & W films are imported. Afyer that Our Lord provide us with a > "Little Bit" of rain, I collect at least near 3 US gallons, filtered trough > my "Cofee Paper Filter"...(Using ONLY such Paper filter to filtre any > leaves, and other outside dirty), such quatity suffices me also for the car > battery, and my wife "Stream Iron". As you so clever wrote...REALLY works > amazing well!. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: John Chapman >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: alcohol >> bollicks(?) >> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:42:45 +0000 >> >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:03:23 +0000 >>> From: earthrite at gn.apc.org >>> Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol: a salutary tale and Pot for Nak 500 >>> (digression alert) >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >>> >>>> Kermit wrote: >>>> You know what this means, don't you? I'm trying to score some pot(s). >>>> Far out, man. >>> >>> Doane wrote: Most commercially available grades are 95%, the balance >>> being water,.... SNIP... So, if that is all you can get, I would still >>> use it as it is better than nothing.. most likely any tape cleaning >>> fluid from a HiFi shop or record shop will be 95%. >>> >> My name is Ian and i dont have a drink problem! >> >> Hi Nakaholics: >> >> re alcohol etc ad nauseum in Scotland. How very droll. Thank God I live in >> Cornwall! At least He's a Mac man. >> >> My name is John and I do have a drink problem. I can't afford Remy Martin >> >> Re Vinyl cleaning: a recipe: a 1 litre mix: 1/3 isopropanol, 2/3 distilled >> water, 2-3 drops of photographers wetting agent - I use Ilford Ilfotol, a >> very good quality detergent. This recipe is not my own, but distilled from >> dozens on the internet. It works. I use this with a marvellous device sold >> for £44 sold by Diverse Vinyl in Wales, having used up the very expensive >> (but good) gunk they supply with the machine. This bathes the album in the >> liquid, rotates it through goat hair brushes, both sides at once, and >> removes everything, including the mold release agent left by the vinyl >> press. It takes about 90 seconds to clean an album. You won't believe the >> results. A new album will be improved by this technique. By the way I have >> no connection with this (very excellent) firm who will try to sell you the >> replacement fluid at £12 per litre. Their vinyl list is fabulous, but >> pricey. >> >> Re Alcohol: Isopropanol, which cleans a Nak Head beautifully (sparingly >> used on rubber) costs about £3 per liter from CFS Partnership, 01209 821028 >> in the UK. They will sell it pro rata much cheaper in 5 litre drums. If in >> USA, or anywhere, seek out a fibre glass boat builders supplier as >> Isopropanol is used in large quantities in GRP and plastics techniques. >> Industrial grade (96%) pure metholated spirit (ie colourless, not the >> purple stuff which is for drinking only in Scotland) is also very good for >> albums but my contact at the hospital (who used to build his own >> cartridges) has adjourned to Cyprus. Sad already. >> >> >> -- >> Regards to all true Nakkers >> >> John Chapman, Cornwall >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 18 08:02:32 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:02:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Ist NAKTALK world convention...2006 or 7? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CDE808.1010202@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Jerry, Well, I think that is a definitely cool idea. I'd be happy to host the 1st NAKtalk World Convention, if those who attend do not mind having it at my gigantic 900-square-foot studio, decorated in stylish Neo-70s-retro-tape-deck chic, which is conveniently located a few miles from the burgeoning microtropolis of Bonner Springs in the Late Great Flat State of Kansas, USA. Bring your own tornado (cyclone) and little dog named Toto, if you want one. No, seriously, Jerry, 'tis a great idea and I do mean it when I invite the group to have the convention in my humble studio. I could put on a workshop showing some recording technique anyone can use. jerryjg wrote: > Heres a proposal for all of us great Naktalkers to meet for a week in > ATlanta , Georgia, USA ,(probably the most best hub for europe and > american destinations) for the 1st NAKtalk World convention, WE could > get a travel planner to give special discount airfare and hotel. I know > a great brewpub in downtown Atlanta(if its still there after I was > there a few years ago)where we could hang out. Actually, ATlanta is an > AWESOME city I want to visit again anyway, so this is just a pipedream, > i guess, cause I would like to meet some of my extended "family".I'm > the "blacksheep"-the one who doesnt know a capacitor from a resistor! > LOL.THis would probably be more of a "north American" alliance, but > might lead to a similar European NAktalk convention, and ultimately to > a NAKtalk "WORLD" meeting! I've heard thos proposed before, so I'm just > kind of "rekindling" the notion. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 18 08:35:46 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:35:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: alcoholbollicks(?) Message-ID: Shalom David! Bravo...lovely DIY cleaning machine, and such new cleaning formula...I will try it! Cheers, ALEX! >From: David Thompson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Naktalk >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: >alcoholbollicks(?) >Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:54:24 +1000 > >For what its worth I found this diy alternative method online. > >http://www.teresaudio.com/haven/cleaner/cleaner.html > >David > > > > From: Alex Cozac > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:31:15 +0000 > > To: > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: alcohol > > bollicks(?) > > > > Shalom John! > > > > You wrote...Re Vinyl cleaning: a recipe: a 1 litre mix: 1/3 isopropanol, >2/3 > >> distilled water, 2-3 drops of photographers wetting agent - I use >Ilford > >> Ilfotol, a very good quality detergent. This recipe is not my own, but > >> distilled from dozens on the internet. It works. > > > > YES...as I own a Nitty Gritty 2.5 cleaning machine since 1992, and the > > original One US gallon liquid, mostly evaporated and party I used...I > > prepare the same "Formula"...with an a very important differences...I >USE > > ALWAYS RAIN WATER + Agepon photography wetting agent, as Ilford here is >very > > scarce, only B & W films are imported. Afyer that Our Lord provide us >with a > > "Little Bit" of rain, I collect at least near 3 US gallons, filtered >trough > > my "Cofee Paper Filter"...(Using ONLY such Paper filter to filtre any > > leaves, and other outside dirty), such quatity suffices me also for the >car > > battery, and my wife "Stream Iron". As you so clever wrote...REALLY >works > > amazing well!. > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: John Chapman > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: alcohol > >> bollicks(?) > >> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:42:45 +0000 > >> > >>> > >>> Message: 7 > >>> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:03:23 +0000 > >>> From: earthrite at gn.apc.org > >>> Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol: a salutary tale and Pot for Nak 500 > >>> (digression alert) > >>> To: naktalk at naks.com > >>> Message-ID: > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >>> > >>>> Kermit wrote: > >>>> You know what this means, don't you? I'm trying to score some >pot(s). > >>>> Far out, man. > >>> > >>> Doane wrote: Most commercially available grades are 95%, the balance > >>> being water,.... SNIP... So, if that is all you can get, I would still > >>> use it as it is better than nothing.. most likely any tape cleaning > >>> fluid from a HiFi shop or record shop will be 95%. > >>> > >> My name is Ian and i dont have a drink problem! > >> > >> Hi Nakaholics: > >> > >> re alcohol etc ad nauseum in Scotland. How very droll. Thank God I >live in > >> Cornwall! At least He's a Mac man. > >> > >> My name is John and I do have a drink problem. I can't afford Remy >Martin > >> > >> Re Vinyl cleaning: a recipe: a 1 litre mix: 1/3 isopropanol, 2/3 >distilled > >> water, 2-3 drops of photographers wetting agent - I use Ilford Ilfotol, >a > >> very good quality detergent. This recipe is not my own, but distilled >from > >> dozens on the internet. It works. I use this with a marvellous device >sold > >> for �44 sold by Diverse Vinyl in Wales, having used up the very >expensive > >> (but good) gunk they supply with the machine. This bathes the album in >the > >> liquid, rotates it through goat hair brushes, both sides at once, and > >> removes everything, including the mold release agent left by the vinyl > >> press. It takes about 90 seconds to clean an album. You won't believe >the > >> results. A new album will be improved by this technique. By the way I >have > >> no connection with this (very excellent) firm who will try to sell you >the > >> replacement fluid at �12 per litre. Their vinyl list is fabulous, but > >> pricey. > >> > >> Re Alcohol: Isopropanol, which cleans a Nak Head beautifully (sparingly > >> used on rubber) costs about �3 per liter from CFS Partnership, 01209 >821028 > >> in the UK. They will sell it pro rata much cheaper in 5 litre drums. If >in > >> USA, or anywhere, seek out a fibre glass boat builders supplier as > >> Isopropanol is used in large quantities in GRP and plastics techniques. > >> Industrial grade (96%) pure metholated spirit (ie colourless, not the > >> purple stuff which is for drinking only in Scotland) is also very good >for > >> albums but my contact at the hospital (who used to build his own > >> cartridges) has adjourned to Cyprus. Sad already. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Regards to all true Nakkers > >> > >> John Chapman, Cornwall > >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tpfinn at btinternet.com Wed Jan 18 12:08:54 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:08:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Opamps, masterclocks &SUPER TUNED References: <000e01c61b99$228f7110$e1d017c4@home> <43CD5925.4020109@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <002c01c61c1f$92513fc0$65fe9751@compaq> Have a look at http://www.iclock-net.de/ Multiple and different clock outputs and varispeed!! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoine Deschênes" To: "drewes" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opamps, masterclocks &SUPER TUNED > I can't tell you but 11.5896MHz, 16.9344MHz and 45.1584MHz are the most > common. Some "super-clock" sellers have a CD player database which > states the speed you need like LCAudio. > > Antoine Deschênes > > > > drewes a écrit : > > /If there is anyone out there who has a Nak CD-4 CD player(Please note > > this is not a CD Player4,which is a contempary of Amp !,Receiver 1 > > etc) with a service manual,I would appreciate if he/she can look up > > for me the Master clock speed/frequency,which should be located on D/A > > Converter PCB Assembly Board.I am upgrading 2 of my OMS-7 by > > installing/replacing the Master clock with a Super Clock,which I have > > been led to believe will make the old OMS-7 into a very high end > > equivalent CD player.I understand the theory of it ,but whether it > > will make a difference--we'll see!)The old master clock frequency is > > the lowest noted,sothat the superclock people are creating a new > > superclock were the 'primary 'speed is the same as on the old Nak > > specially for me!.The upgrade encompases a seperate super constant > > power supply for the superclock as well as replacing opamps 4075 with > > expensive super duper jobs!/ > > /As I presently do not have access to the CD-4 and an order is a bit > > cumbersone to Australia(they are the ones making the specials for > > me) for this,I thought i will get the CD-4 clock at the same time as > > the OMS-7s .!/ > > /After reading all the hallobaloo about the virtues of a ZX9 recently > > on Naktalk,I decided to acquire one.(I have a muliple lot of Dragons > > and CR7s---and believe classical music should be listened to on a > > Dragon and lively stuff eg Jazz goes to the CR7)/ > > /The reason for this thesis is not to let the world know about > > this,but to find out what "SUPER TUNED" means in relation to a ZX9. A > > eBay listing had this as a description and the seller of my unit (not > > listed on eBay)had the same description.Is this what the clever people > > in Nederland (teldec(?))did to the machine or was it a Nakamichi > > inspired specific version?/ > > /Help would be appreciated./ > > /OH,thanks for reading this far!/ > > /Walter/ > > // > > // > > // > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/06 > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 12:36:51 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:36:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Ist NAKTALK world convention...2006 or 7? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060118113651.26170.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry, That is a beautiful letter that led to one of the most successful planes being built of all time.. I wonder who (if anyone) wrote to Airbus with similiar effect. Anyway, I simply love the idea of the Nak-vention and Kermit's notion of hosting the first one. I think we can even have Nak memorabilia for sale, decks exchanges and so on. But a brew pub? I think Kermit has better idea on thaT? Or are we going to stay with him and have our rooms warmed by KT88 push pull amps? Regards Bala 79 Labs jerryjg wrote: Heres a proposal for all of us great Naktalkers to meet for a week in ATlanta , Georgia, USA ,(probably the most best hub for europe and american destinations) for the 1st NAKtalk World convention, WE could get a travel planner to give special discount airfare and hotel. I know a great brewpub in downtown Atlanta(if its still there after I was there a few years ago)where we could hang out. Actually, ATlanta is an AWESOME city I want to visit again anyway, so this is just a pipedream, i guess, cause I would like to meet some of my extended "family".I'm the "blacksheep"-the one who doesnt know a capacitor from a resistor! LOL.THis would probably be more of a "north American" alliance, but might lead to a similar European NAktalk convention, and ultimately to a NAKtalk "WORLD" meeting! I've heard thos proposed before, so I'm just kind of "rekindling" the notion. The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Jan 18 19:30:18 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:30:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: alcohol bollicks(?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: If you really want to go all the way on this, head over to Hot Springs, Arkansas and fill up with all the spring water you want for free. The water from the springs in downtown Hot Springs is the purest water in the world, it was actually used on one of the space flights to carry some experiments.. you can, of course, drink it too and realize that you are drinking water that fell to the earth as rain about ten thousand years ago! The down town bath houses have been restored to thier grandeur of the 1920's and several of them are still operating... beautiful restored down town area. http://www.hot.springs.national-park.com/ Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35,Issue 66: alcohol bollicks(?) Shalom John! You wrote...Re Vinyl cleaning: a recipe: a 1 litre mix: 1/3 isopropanol, 2/3 >distilled water, 2-3 drops of photographers wetting agent - I use Ilford >Ilfotol, a very good quality detergent. This recipe is not my own, but >distilled from dozens on the internet. It works. YES...as I own a Nitty Gritty 2.5 cleaning machine since 1992, and the original One US gallon liquid, mostly evaporated and party I used...I prepare the same "Formula"...with an a very important differences...I USE ALWAYS RAIN WATER + Agepon photography wetting agent, as Ilford here is very scarce, only B & W films are imported. Afyer that Our Lord provide us with a "Little Bit" of rain, I collect at least near 3 US gallons, filtered trough my "Cofee Paper Filter"...(Using ONLY such Paper filter to filtre any leaves, and other outside dirty), such quatity suffices me also for the car battery, and my wife "Stream Iron". As you so clever wrote...REALLY works amazing well!. Cheers, ALEX! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <43CEF7B6.7040902@yahoo.ca> Is that a sign that the capstan bearing is worn if the capstan pushes the tape on the sides? I was just preparing to record something and as the recording started there were strange noises. So I removed the decorative door and looked thru the Ferro-Extra's transparent case to see what was happening. The tape was being pushed to the back and would then return to it's normal position continuously... What's happening? -- Antoine and his BX-2(Paid 120$) problems... From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 19 03:52:59 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:52:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 66: alcohol bollicks(?) Message-ID: Shalom Doane! First of all I add to "My Favorites"...your attachment on Hot Springs Arkansas, if some time I will be able to visit US for my first time during my life...be 100% sure that I will be there! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35,Issue 66: alcohol >bollicks(?) >Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:30:18 -0800 > >Alex: > >If you really want to go all the way on this, head over to Hot Springs, >Arkansas and fill up with all the spring water you want for free. The water >from the springs in downtown Hot Springs is the purest water in the world, >it was actually used on one of the space flights to carry some >experiments.. >you can, of course, drink it too and realize that you are drinking water >that fell to the earth as rain about ten thousand years ago! The down town >bath houses have been restored to thier grandeur of the 1920's and several >of them are still operating... beautiful restored down town area. >http://www.hot.springs.national-park.com/ > >Doane > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:31 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35,Issue 66: alcohol >bollicks(?) > > >Shalom John! > >You wrote...Re Vinyl cleaning: a recipe: a 1 litre mix: 1/3 isopropanol, >2/3 > >distilled water, 2-3 drops of photographers wetting agent - I use Ilford > >Ilfotol, a very good quality detergent. This recipe is not my own, but > >distilled from dozens on the internet. It works. > >YES...as I own a Nitty Gritty 2.5 cleaning machine since 1992, and the >original One US gallon liquid, mostly evaporated and party I used...I >prepare the same "Formula"...with an a very important differences...I USE >ALWAYS RAIN WATER + Agepon photography wetting agent, as Ilford here is >very >scarce, only B & W films are imported. Afyer that Our Lord provide us with >a >"Little Bit" of rain, I collect at least near 3 US gallons, filtered trough >my "Cofee Paper Filter"...(Using ONLY such Paper filter to filtre any >leaves, and other outside dirty), such quatity suffices me also for the car >battery, and my wife "Stream Iron". As you so clever wrote...REALLY works >amazing well!. > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 19 05:39:38 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:39:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 -- And I suppose that the capstan bearing is worn... In-Reply-To: <43CEF7B6.7040902@yahoo.ca> References: <43CEF7B6.7040902@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43CF180A.5000408@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Is that a sign that the capstan bearing is worn if the capstan pushes > the tape on the sides? > > I was just preparing to record something and as the recording started > there were strange noises. So I removed the decorative door and looked > thru the Ferro-Extra's transparent case to see what was happening. The > tape was being pushed to the back and would then return to it's normal > position continuously... > > What's happening? Offhand, this makes me think the fault is EITHER a faulty cassette shell, or erratic holdback tension or erratic take-up tension, most likely the cause being either the dreaded rewind/fast wind idler mechanism, improperly adjusted turntable torques, or possibly the turntables themsevles need lubrication. I presume you've cleaned the pinch roller thoroughly and evenly? I've seen soiled pinch rollers, or unevenly cleaned pinch rollers, create the same tape travel defects. My Pioneer CT-F7272 is susceptible to this. Talk about a deck that is an ongoing repair hassle! The Pioneer CT-F7272, like its predecessor the CT-7171, is a bench queen. The Nakamichi BX-2 does indeed seem to be an exercise in futility. I think my BX-2 must be the result of life taking revenge on me for some past sin. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jan 19 06:24:31 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 0:24:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Have we seen this 1000ZXL? Message-ID: <20060119052433.ZGZN14098.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> No, it's not mine and I couldn't afford to buy blank tapes for it right now. I guess for the man who has everything, this could be a bonus. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Limited-absolutelly-collectors-rarity_W0QQitemZ5854600402QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 19 06:45:04 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:45:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Have we seen this 1000ZXL? Message-ID: Seems me "Rare" such plastic front cover, to my knowledge came with a " Velvet Cloth" full deck cover. But...as the original owner was an a Hi-Fi store, maybe for "Display" purpose only, the Nak dealer provide to such Hi-Fi store with such Plastic front cover. Looks well kept...no bends or any other defects that it's show on the attached photos...the price starts high...so...for a collector mostly in Europe...as I understand that came wired for Europe...get a chance! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Have we seen this 1000ZXL? >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 0:24:31 -0500 > >No, it's not mine and I couldn't afford to buy blank tapes for it right >now. > >I guess for the man who has everything, this could be a bonus. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Limited-absolutelly-collectors-rarity_W0QQitemZ5854600402QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Thu Jan 19 06:47:03 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:47:03 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete Message-ID: Tomas I downloaded the LX5 manual from your site and found it to be incomplete. You may not be aware that most of the PCB assy pages are missing and the rest of it including schematics. Thanks for the resources though. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 06:54:55 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:54:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 -- And I suppose that the capstan bearing is worn... In-Reply-To: <43CF180A.5000408@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060119055455.9994.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree with Kermit. I've seen this with dirty pinch rollers. Make sure you clean them well and evenly. SJ --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Antoine, > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > Is that a sign that the capstan bearing is worn if the capstan > pushes > > the tape on the sides? > > > > I was just preparing to record something and as the recording > started > > there were strange noises. So I removed the decorative door and > looked > > thru the Ferro-Extra's transparent case to see what was > happening. The > > tape was being pushed to the back and would then return to it's > normal > > position continuously... > > > > What's happening? > > Offhand, this makes me think the fault is EITHER a faulty cassette > shell, or erratic holdback tension or erratic take-up tension, most > > likely the cause being either the dreaded rewind/fast wind idler > mechanism, improperly adjusted turntable torques, or possibly the > turntables themsevles need lubrication. > > I presume you've cleaned the pinch roller thoroughly and evenly? > I've > seen soiled pinch rollers, or unevenly cleaned pinch rollers, > create the > same tape travel defects. My Pioneer CT-F7272 is susceptible to > this. > Talk about a deck that is an ongoing repair hassle! The Pioneer > CT-F7272, like its predecessor the CT-7171, is a bench queen. > > The Nakamichi BX-2 does indeed seem to be an exercise in futility. > I > think my BX-2 must be the result of life taking revenge on me for > some > past sin. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio > info > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomas at tlec.se Thu Jan 19 11:24:28 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:24:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, did'nt know, anyone that could make it complete?? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David Thompson Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:47 AM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete Tomas I downloaded the LX5 manual from your site and found it to be incomplete. You may not be aware that most of the PCB assy pages are missing and the rest of it including schematics. Thanks for the resources though. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 19 14:59:02 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:59:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 -- And I suppose that the capstan bearing is worn... In-Reply-To: <43CF180A.5000408@woods-and-waters.com> References: <43CEF7B6.7040902@yahoo.ca> <43CF180A.5000408@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43CF9B26.8030803@rcn.com> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Antoine, > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> Is that a sign that the capstan bearing is worn if the capstan pushes >> the tape on the sides? >> >> I was just preparing to record something and as the recording started >> there were strange noises. So I removed the decorative door and looked >> thru the Ferro-Extra's transparent case to see what was happening. The >> tape was being pushed to the back and would then return to it's normal >> position continuously... >> >> What's happening? > > > Offhand, this makes me think the fault is EITHER a faulty cassette > shell, or erratic holdback tension or erratic take-up tension, most > likely the cause being either the dreaded rewind/fast wind idler > mechanism, improperly adjusted turntable torques, or possibly the > turntables themsevles need lubrication. > > I presume you've cleaned the pinch roller thoroughly and evenly? I've > seen soiled pinch rollers, or unevenly cleaned pinch rollers, create the > same tape travel defects. My Pioneer CT-F7272 is susceptible to this. > Talk about a deck that is an ongoing repair hassle! The Pioneer > CT-F7272, like its predecessor the CT-7171, is a bench queen. > > The Nakamichi BX-2 does indeed seem to be an exercise in futility. I > think my BX-2 must be the result of life taking revenge on me for some > past sin. Add to that list of possibilities one more: takeup reel torque too low. This is adjustable. If the adjustment seems correct (about 3V in PLAY) but the torque seems too low (should be 50 g-cm at the beginning of a C-60 cassette), then suspect a bad reel motor. As to the BX-2 being too troublesome -- IME, it is not more so than any of other early BX series decks, considering it age. -- Ron From 3ld at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 19 15:19:42 2006 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:19:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Ist NAKTALK world convention...2006 or 7? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CF9FFE.90003@bellsouth.net> Greetings from Atlanta, Atlanta is indeed a great and centrally (transportation wise) located place with lots to do, and we of the Atlanta group would love to see all you folks, but I must admit an invitation to see Kermit's setup is very enticing. I, for one, would vote for Kansas just to see him and his great setup. Atlanta Mike jerryjg wrote: > Heres a proposal for all of us great Naktalkers to meet for a week in > ATlanta , Georgia, USA ,(probably the most best hub for europe and > american destinations) for the 1st NAKtalk World convention, WE could > get a travel planner to give special discount airfare and hotel. I > know a great brewpub in downtown Atlanta(if its still there after I > was there a few years ago)where we could hang out. Actually, ATlanta > is an AWESOME city I want to visit again anyway, so this is just a > pipedream, i guess, cause I would like to meet some of my extended > "family".I'm the "blacksheep"-the one who doesnt know a capacitor > from a resistor! LOL.THis would probably be more of a "north > American" alliance, but might lead to a similar European NAktalk > convention, and ultimately to a NAKtalk "WORLD" meeting! I've heard > thos proposed before, so I'm just kind of "rekindling" the notion. > The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > > Dear Mr Boeing, > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty > as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > Yours sincerely, > Pan Am > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 19 17:15:23 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:15:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thomas: I mentioned this to you about 4 months ago here and you said the same thing.. remember? :~) http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/2005-October/026766.html I know, it's the fault of who ever uploaded or scanned the manual... hope some one can fix it Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:24 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete No, did'nt know, anyone that could make it complete?? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David Thompson Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:47 AM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete Tomas I downloaded the LX5 manual from your site and found it to be incomplete. You may not be aware that most of the PCB assy pages are missing and the rest of it including schematics. Thanks for the resources though. David From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 19 17:18:09 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:18:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 -- And I suppose that the capstan bearing is worn... In-Reply-To: <43CF9B26.8030803@rcn.com> References: <43CEF7B6.7040902@yahoo.ca> <43CF180A.5000408@woods-and-waters.com> <43CF9B26.8030803@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43CFBBC1.3090005@yahoo.ca> I just have 70% isopropyl rubbing alcohol and Kermit seems to say that it's not good for this. BTW, I haven't followed the topics on MEK and hexane. I think it's doing this with other cassettes. The pinch roller was not looking clean when it happened but I know it was cleaned "a few tapes" ago. It can't keep it's speed with worn shells while my Superscope CD-330 can and my Toshiba PC-G22 has problems with them. Everything is out of adjustment because I rebuilt 2 motors on 3 also. I still have the capstan motor to clean ; it's playing slower and slower. Ron a écrit : > Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> Hi Antoine, >> >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>> Is that a sign that the capstan bearing is worn if the capstan >>> pushes the tape on the sides? >>> >>> I was just preparing to record something and as the recording >>> started there were strange noises. So I removed the decorative door >>> and looked thru the Ferro-Extra's transparent case to see what was >>> happening. The tape was being pushed to the back and would then >>> return to it's normal position continuously... >>> >>> What's happening? >> >> >> Offhand, this makes me think the fault is EITHER a faulty cassette >> shell, or erratic holdback tension or erratic take-up tension, most >> likely the cause being either the dreaded rewind/fast wind idler >> mechanism, improperly adjusted turntable torques, or possibly the >> turntables themsevles need lubrication. >> >> I presume you've cleaned the pinch roller thoroughly and evenly? I've >> seen soiled pinch rollers, or unevenly cleaned pinch rollers, create >> the same tape travel defects. My Pioneer CT-F7272 is susceptible to >> this. Talk about a deck that is an ongoing repair hassle! The Pioneer >> CT-F7272, like its predecessor the CT-7171, is a bench queen. >> >> The Nakamichi BX-2 does indeed seem to be an exercise in futility. I >> think my BX-2 must be the result of life taking revenge on me for >> some past sin. > > Add to that list of possibilities one more: takeup > reel torque too low. This is adjustable. If the > adjustment seems correct (about 3V in PLAY) but > the torque seems too low (should be 50 g-cm at the > beginning of a C-60 cassette), then suspect a bad > reel motor. > > As to the BX-2 being too troublesome -- IME, it is > not more so than any of other early BX series > decks, considering it age. > > -- Ron From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Jan 19 18:07:57 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:07:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CFC76D.6020501@cox.net> I have an original of the LX-5 manual but have not scanned it in. It's big (67 pages, many of them bi or tri-fold) so it won't be a quick job, but let me see what I can do. Tim Doane Hoag wrote: >Thomas: I mentioned this to you about 4 months ago here and you said the >same thing.. remember? :~) >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/2005-October/026766.html >I know, it's the fault of who ever uploaded or scanned the manual... hope >some one can fix it > >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Tomas Larsson >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:24 AM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > >No, did'nt know, anyone that could make it complete?? > > >With best regards > >Tomas Larsson >Sweden > >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of David Thompson >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:47 AM >To: Naktalk >Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > >Tomas > >I downloaded the LX5 manual from your site and found it to be incomplete. >You may not be aware that most of the PCB assy pages are missing and the >rest of it including schematics. Thanks for the resources though. > >David > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From tomas at tlec.se Thu Jan 19 18:48:30 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:48:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: Message-ID: He He, short of memory, need to install a new disk I think. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:15 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > > > Thomas: I mentioned this to you about 4 months ago here and > you said the same thing.. remember? :~) > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/2005-October/026766.html > I know, it's the fault of who ever uploaded or scanned the > manual... hope some one can fix it > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:24 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > > No, did'nt know, anyone that could make it complete?? > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David Thompson > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:47 AM > To: Naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > > Tomas > > I downloaded the LX5 manual from your site and found it to be > incomplete. You may not be aware that most of the PCB assy > pages are missing and the rest of it including schematics. > Thanks for the resources though. > > David > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > From tomas at tlec.se Thu Jan 19 18:57:06 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:57:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: <43CFC76D.6020501@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Tim, whenever you get time. If you can't do PDF, I can sort it för you. Scan in grey-scale not b/w, at least 300 dpi, TIFF-format, its easier to manipulate it later . Scan A4 size, I usually assemble bi-fold and tri-fold pages after scan so I get a complete page. Do the whole manual including frontpage and similar. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tim Barrett > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:08 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > > I have an original of the LX-5 manual but have not scanned it > in. It's > big (67 pages, many of them bi or tri-fold) so it won't be a > quick job, > but let me see what I can do. > > Tim > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > >Thomas: I mentioned this to you about 4 months ago here and you said > >the same thing.. remember? :~) > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/2005-October/026766.html > >I know, it's the fault of who ever uploaded or scanned the manual... > >hope some one can fix it > > > >Doane > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:24 AM > >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > > > > >No, did'nt know, anyone that could make it complete?? > > > > > >With best regards > > > >Tomas Larsson > >Sweden > > > >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >Behalf Of David Thompson > >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:47 AM > >To: Naktalk > >Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > > > > >Tomas > > > >I downloaded the LX5 manual from your site and found it to be > >incomplete. You may not be aware that most of the PCB assy pages are > >missing and the rest of it including schematics. Thanks for the > >resources though. > > > >David > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 19 20:10:37 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:10:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CFE42D.80208@rcn.com> Tomas Larsson wrote: > [.......] > Scan A4 size, I usually assemble bi-fold and tri-fold > pages after scan so I get a complete page. That's interesting, Tomas, how do you assemble FDF pages? Is there a utility to do that? TIA, -- Ron From tomas at tlec.se Thu Jan 19 20:39:42 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:39:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: <43CFE42D.80208@rcn.com> Message-ID: To assemble pdf-pages I import the page(s) to Corel-Draw, assemble them and re-export to PDF. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:11 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > [.......] > > Scan A4 size, I usually assemble bi-fold and tri-fold > > pages after scan so I get a complete page. > > That's interesting, Tomas, how do you assemble > FDF pages? Is there a utility to do that? > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 19 21:13:41 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:13:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CFF2F5.9080401@yahoo.ca> You can use OpenOffice, FreePDF(Installs as a printer), a tiff2pdf utility that I can't remember the name and a lot of other things. To modify PDFs, I modified FreePDF to output PNGs instead(It could be TIFF, BMP, JPEG and a lot of other formats), do the modifications and remake the file using OpenOffice, FreePDF or the tiff2pdf utilty I was talking about. Tomas Larsson a écrit : > To assemble pdf-pages I import the page(s) to Corel-Draw, assemble them and > re-export to PDF. > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron >> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:11 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete >> >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >>> [.......] >>> Scan A4 size, I usually assemble bi-fold and tri-fold >>> >> > pages after scan so I get a complete page. >> >> That's interesting, Tomas, how do you assemble >> FDF pages? Is there a utility to do that? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- Ron From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Fri Jan 20 00:17:50 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:17:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: <43CFC76D.6020501@cox.net> Message-ID: It is needed from page 30 onwards. David > From: Tim Barrett > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:07:57 -0500 > To: , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > I have an original of the LX-5 manual but have not scanned it in. It's > big (67 pages, many of them bi or tri-fold) so it won't be a quick job, > but let me see what I can do. > > Tim > > Doane Hoag wrote: > >> Thomas: I mentioned this to you about 4 months ago here and you said the >> same thing.. remember? :~) >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/2005-October/026766.html >> I know, it's the fault of who ever uploaded or scanned the manual... hope >> some one can fix it >> >> Doane >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >> Tomas Larsson >> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:24 AM >> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete >> >> >> No, did'nt know, anyone that could make it complete?? >> >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of David Thompson >> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:47 AM >> To: Naktalk >> Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete >> >> >> Tomas >> >> I downloaded the LX5 manual from your site and found it to be incomplete. >> You may not be aware that most of the PCB assy pages are missing and the >> rest of it including schematics. Thanks for the resources though. >> >> David >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 02:20:19 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:20:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: <43CFF2F5.9080401@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060120012019.56131.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Corel draw means Tomas must be using Windows. Bala 79 Labs Antoine Deschênes wrote: You can use OpenOffice, FreePDF(Installs as a printer), a tiff2pdf utility that I can't remember the name and a lot of other things. To modify PDFs, I modified FreePDF to output PNGs instead(It could be TIFF, BMP, JPEG and a lot of other formats), do the modifications and remake the file using OpenOffice, FreePDF or the tiff2pdf utilty I was talking about. Tomas Larsson a écrit : > To assemble pdf-pages I import the page(s) to Corel-Draw, assemble them and > re-export to PDF. > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron >> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:11 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete >> >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >>> [.......] >>> Scan A4 size, I usually assemble bi-fold and tri-fold >>> >> > pages after scan so I get a complete page. >> >> That's interesting, Tomas, how do you assemble >> FDF pages? Is there a utility to do that? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 20 03:25:14 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:25:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D04A0A.1020104@rcn.com> Thanks much, Tomas, I do have an old copy of Corel Draw. I guess I now have a reason to install it... -- Ron Tomas Larsson wrote: > To assemble pdf-pages I import the page(s) to Corel-Draw, assemble them and > re-export to PDF. > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron >>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:11 PM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete >> >> >>Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >>>[.......] >>>Scan A4 size, I usually assemble bi-fold and tri-fold >> >> > pages after scan so I get a complete page. >> >>That's interesting, Tomas, how do you assemble >>FDF pages? Is there a utility to do that? >> >>TIA, >> >>-- Ron From tomas at tlec.se Fri Jan 20 03:27:44 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:27:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: <20060120012019.56131.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: To clarify, yes i use XP, although i have acouple of linux-boxes to, my web-server is one of them, running FC4 and APACHE 2...something. I don't use linux to work on, anyway, when importing to Corel, corel decodes the pdf, and if there is text, it will still be text, this is quite an enhancement comparing to convert the pdf to bit-map first since there is normally no loss of quality. If by any reason Corel refuses to import (corrupt pdf) or the like, I usually print the pdf to file with a PS-printer driver, at highest resolution, this allso tends to save the quality, then i import the PS-file to corel for assembly. Why I'm not using linux for work, its simple, no apps. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:20 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete Hi, Corel draw means Tomas must be using Windows. Bala 79 Labs Antoine Deschênes wrote: You can use OpenOffice, FreePDF(Installs as a printer), a tiff2pdf utility that I can't remember the name and a lot of other things. To modify PDFs, I modified FreePDF to output PNGs instead(It could be TIFF, BMP, JPEG and a lot of other formats), do the modifications and remake the file using OpenOffice, FreePDF or the tiff2pdf utilty I was talking about. Tomas Larsson a écrit : > To assemble pdf-pages I import the page(s) to Corel-Draw, assemble them and > re-export to PDF. > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >! ; >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron >> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:11 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete >> >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >>> [.......] >>> Scan A4 size, I usually assemble bi-fold and tri-fold >>> >> > pages after scan so I get a complete page. >> >> That's interesting, Tomas, how do you assemble >> FDF pages? Is there a utility to do that? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ! Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Fri Jan 20 03:45:46 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:45:46 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete References: <43D04A0A.1020104@rcn.com> Message-ID: <011c01c61d6b$9db55250$684898de@tec> Hi all coreldraw 9 or older does not work under Windows XP Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Tomas Larsson" Cc: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > Thanks much, Tomas, I do have an old copy of Corel > Draw. I guess I now have a reason to install it... > > -- Ron > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: >> To assemble pdf-pages I import the page(s) to Corel-Draw, assemble them >> and >> re-export to PDF. >> >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>>Behalf Of Ron >>>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:11 PM >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete >>> >>> >>>Tomas Larsson wrote: >>> >>>>[.......] >>>>Scan A4 size, I usually assemble bi-fold and tri-fold >>> >>> > pages after scan so I get a complete page. >>> >>>That's interesting, Tomas, how do you assemble >>>FDF pages? Is there a utility to do that? >>> >>>TIA, >>> >>>-- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tomas at tlec.se Fri Jan 20 06:32:56 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:32:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: <011c01c61d6b$9db55250$684898de@tec> Message-ID: And to add, I think you have to have a pretty new version for it to work properly, I have version 11 With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Donald Sangster > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:46 AM > To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > > Hi all > > coreldraw 9 or older does not work under Windows XP > > Donald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Tomas Larsson" > Cc: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > > > > > Thanks much, Tomas, I do have an old copy of Corel > > Draw. I guess I now have a reason to install it... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > >> To assemble pdf-pages I import the page(s) to Corel-Draw, assemble > >> them > >> and > >> re-export to PDF. > >> > >> > >> With best regards > >> > >> Tomas Larsson > >> Sweden > >> > >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >>>Behalf Of Ron > >>>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:11 PM > >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > >>> > >>> > >>>Tomas Larsson wrote: > >>> > >>>>[.......] > >>>>Scan A4 size, I usually assemble bi-fold and tri-fold > >>> > >>> > pages after scan so I get a complete page. > >>> > >>>That's interesting, Tomas, how do you assemble > >>>FDF pages? Is there a utility to do that? > >>> > >>>TIA, > >>> > >>>-- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Fri Jan 20 06:46:24 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:46:24 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaners Message-ID: Looking for cleaners in Australia I found two Caig products: CaiKleen RBR Rubber Cleaner and Rejuvinator CaiKleen IPA ultra pure Isopropyl alcohol Any one know of the first one? David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 20 09:31:52 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:31:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete In-Reply-To: <43D04A0A.1020104@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001a01c61d9b$f810ba20$7300a8c0@Shaun> Don't forget that Photoshop Elelments opens and saves to pdf format and has an excellent image stitcher under file/Photomerge. I also use Paintshop Pro which also opens and saves to pdf format. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 20 January 2006 02:25 To: Tomas Larsson Cc: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete Thanks much, Tomas, I do have an old copy of Corel Draw. I guess I now have a reason to install it... -- Ron Tomas Larsson wrote: > To assemble pdf-pages I import the page(s) to Corel-Draw, assemble > them and re-export to PDF. > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron >>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:11 PM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete >> >> >>Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >>>[.......] >>>Scan A4 size, I usually assemble bi-fold and tri-fold >> >> > pages after scan so I get a complete page. >> >>That's interesting, Tomas, how do you assemble >>FDF pages? Is there a utility to do that? >> >>TIA, >> >>-- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Jan 20 18:09:49 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:09:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay Message-ID: <000d01c61de4$537b8230$a5d117c4@home> I have noticed a number of fake auction listings on eBay recently which are increasing in number..They are usually for High Value items.The Golden 'plaxiglass'1000ZXL mentioned earlier on this forum is now also listed by someone from China and is available in that country as well!!!!! I usually go through the WORLDWIDE listings for NAIM and NAKAMICHI and have noted the brazen use of pictures and item descriptions for some high value items by these people.Language deficiencies have, I presume,resulted that even the same serial numbers are quoted(naim sellers like to give serial numbers).The 'sellers' are usually people with zero feedback,who have only become eBay members in 2006 !The items are only normally of high value.None of them use Paypal as a payment medium. I have tried to communicate through the eBay system with some of these people--to no avail! If you go to the worldwide listings rather than one country listings they are quite easy to pickup.I am surprised that eBay has done nothing about it! So beware! Passop! Aufpassen! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tim Shaun Montgomery wrote: >Don't forget that Photoshop Elelments opens and saves to pdf format and has >an excellent image stitcher under file/Photomerge. > >I also use Paintshop Pro which also opens and saves to pdf format. > >Shaun > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Ron >Sent: 20 January 2006 02:25 >To: Tomas Larsson >Cc: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete > > > >Thanks much, Tomas, I do have an old copy of Corel >Draw. I guess I now have a reason to install it... > >-- Ron > > >Tomas Larsson wrote: > > >>To assemble pdf-pages I import the page(s) to Corel-Draw, assemble >>them and re-export to PDF. >> >> >>With best regards >> >>Tomas Larsson >>Sweden >> >>Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron >>>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:11 PM >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete >>> >>> >>>Tomas Larsson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>[.......] >>>>Scan A4 size, I usually assemble bi-fold and tri-fold >>>> >>>> >>>>pages after scan so I get a complete page. >>>> >>>> >>>That's interesting, Tomas, how do you assemble >>>FDF pages? 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Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 20 18:31:43 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:31:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay In-Reply-To: <000d01c61de4$537b8230$a5d117c4@home> Message-ID: <002601c61de7$612fa0c0$3fa487d9@oemcomputer> It is worth noting that some of these crooks DO appear to have feedback but when you click on their feedback link you find that the ID of the buyers is always private!! They have probably been selling goods to "themselves" to build up a feedback score. I am told these villains are same ones who are mailing out invitations to be a local escrow service until they manage to set up a proper local bank account ... What happens is they sell goods that don't exist on eBay, the buyer sends his money to the local you and, in all innocence, you send on the money to the crook. When the goods don't arrive, it's your door that gets lifted from the hinges when the Police visit, by which time the villains have long gone from where you were told to send the money ... and you're looking at an aiding and abetting charge or conspiracy to defraud ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of drewes Sent: 20 January 2006 17:10 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay I have noticed a number of fake auction listings on eBay recently which are increasing in number..They are usually for High Value items.The Golden 'plaxiglass'1000ZXL mentioned earlier on this forum is now also listed by someone from China and is available in that country as well!!!!! I usually go through the WORLDWIDE listings for NAIM and NAKAMICHI and have noted the brazen use of pictures and item descriptions for some high value items by these people.Language deficiencies have, I presume,resulted that even the same serial numbers are quoted(naim sellers like to give serial numbers).The 'sellers' are usually people with zero feedback,who have only become eBay members in 2006 !The items are only normally of high value.None of them use Paypal as a payment medium. I have tried to communicate through the eBay system with some of these people--to no avail! If you go to the worldwide listings rather than one country listings they are quite easy to pickup.I am surprised that eBay has done nothing about it! So beware! Passop! Aufpassen! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tim Barrett Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:13 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete It turns out my scanner came with an add-on Arcsoft program that can be used for creating panoramas from multiple scans, and it actually works pretty well. So now it's just a matter of slogging through all of the scanning, then cleanup and resize in photoshop. The resulting file imports as a page into Acrobat just dandy. Tim Shaun Montgomery wrote: Don't forget that Photoshop Elelments opens and saves to pdf format and has an excellent image stitcher under file/Photomerge. I also use Paintshop Pro which also opens and saves to pdf format. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 20 January 2006 02:25 To: Tomas Larsson Cc: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete Thanks much, Tomas, I do have an old copy of Corel Draw. I guess I now have a reason to install it... -- Ron Tomas Larsson wrote: To assemble pdf-pages I import the page(s) to Corel-Draw, assemble them and re-export to PDF. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:11 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 Manual incomplete Tomas Larsson wrote: [.......] Scan A4 size, I usually assemble bi-fold and tri-fold pages after scan so I get a complete page. That's interesting, Tomas, how do you assemble FDF pages? 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URL: From britri at comcast.net Fri Jan 20 20:39:30 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:39:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay In-Reply-To: <000d01c61de4$537b8230$a5d117c4@home> References: <000d01c61de4$537b8230$a5d117c4@home> Message-ID: <05CB6B7E-CC5E-4D43-8C4C-4BDE0F5F5F36@comcast.net> Thank you for the heads up! Do you have an auction # so we can follow 1 of these potentially bogus auctions, please! Brien From flifton at mac.com Fri Jan 20 20:53:00 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:53:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <200601120342.k0C3gVUo004814@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601120342.k0C3gVUo004814@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <72452E24-CAC0-4CE1-8A17-C8843134C61A@mac.com> Hi folks, Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our decks seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build something that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to build a little IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the DIN jacks on the decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given remote (eg, RM200) uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on multiple decks. (Assuming that we can find the data in a service manual that says what pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then it would just be a matter of programming one of those fancy learning remotes correctly to send voltage to the appropriate pins when the corresponding button is pushed. That's probably the hard part. I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself while playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote quickly starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms with hands on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? cheers, Fred From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jan 20 21:21:37 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:21:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <72452E24-CAC0-4CE1-8A17-C8843134C61A@mac.com> References: <200601120342.k0C3gVUo004814@zxe.naks.com> <72452E24-CAC0-4CE1-8A17-C8843134C61A@mac.com> Message-ID: <43D14651.3040603@yahoo.ca> Search for FPRC5RX on Google. What you have to do : - Program a PIC - Connect an IR receiver to it - Program the codes on the PIC(You can and should use the codes for a Sony Tape Deck on your universal remote) - Connect x of the 16 PIC outputs properly. It's normal if you don't understand because the steps are simplified but once you read the FPRC5RX, you can understand easily what to do. I can make a scheme if you can give me the DIN pinout. (Or someone can trace the scheme of a wired remote) Fred Lifton a écrit : > Hi folks, > Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our decks > seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build something > that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to build a little > IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the DIN jacks on the > decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given remote (eg, RM200) > uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on multiple decks. > (Assuming that we can find the data in a service manual that says what > pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then it would just be a matter > of programming one of those fancy learning remotes correctly to send > voltage to the appropriate pins when the corresponding button is > pushed. That's probably the hard part. > > I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself while > playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote quickly > starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms with hands > on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. > > Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? > > cheers, > Fred From kmashlan at shaw.ca Fri Jan 20 21:25:16 2006 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:25:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <72452E24-CAC0-4CE1-8A17-C8843134C61A@mac.com> Message-ID: <00ce01c61dff$a016e9c0$6401a8c0@shuttle> My service manual for the 1000zxl has the schematics etc for the RM-300 remote which controlled the RAMM and the mechanism. If helpful I can scan the pages and load up to Thomas' website. Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: January 20, 2006 11:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes Hi folks, Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our decks seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build something that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to build a little IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the DIN jacks on the decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given remote (eg, RM200) uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on multiple decks. (Assuming that we can find the data in a service manual that says what pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then it would just be a matter of programming one of those fancy learning remotes correctly to send voltage to the appropriate pins when the corresponding button is pushed. That's probably the hard part. I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself while playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote quickly starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms with hands on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? cheers, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jan 20 21:51:28 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:51:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <00ce01c61dff$a016e9c0$6401a8c0@shuttle> References: <00ce01c61dff$a016e9c0$6401a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: <43D14D50.7030502@yahoo.ca> Yes, please! But maybe there already is the service manual of a deck with a DIN plug on Thomas' site. Someone? Ken Mashlan a écrit : > My service manual for the 1000zxl has the schematics etc for the RM-300 > remote which controlled the RAMM and the mechanism. If helpful I can scan > the pages and load up to Thomas' website. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Fred Lifton > Sent: January 20, 2006 11:53 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes > > Hi folks, > Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our decks > seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build > something that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to > build a little IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the DIN > jacks on the decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given remote > (eg, RM200) uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on > multiple decks. (Assuming that we can find the data in a service > manual that says what pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then it > would just be a matter of programming one of those fancy learning > remotes correctly to send voltage to the appropriate pins when the > corresponding button is pushed. That's probably the hard part. > > I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself > while playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote > quickly starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms > with hands on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. > > Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? > > cheers, > Fred > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Jan 20 21:52:40 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:52:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay References: <000d01c61de4$537b8230$a5d117c4@home> <05CB6B7E-CC5E-4D43-8C4C-4BDE0F5F5F36@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007901c61e03$758ba8e0$2dd117c4@home> 1000zxl gold 5854600402---china58569794444 soundspace(ended)------china5856312497 B&W803 (ended)------china7383849695 Naim cd player(ended)---china7582364945(note the china item even quotes the serial number which was on the UK item which has already ended Where I note 'ended' --this means the original listing has already ended .Only the erant listing left on eBay. The gold 1000zxl on China is a bargain but I suggest you dont bid!!!!!This one you can still follow! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brien Stocker" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay > Thank you for the heads up! Do you have an auction # so we can follow 1 > of these potentially bogus auctions, please! > > Brien > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 22:12:35 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:12:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay In-Reply-To: <007901c61e03$758ba8e0$2dd117c4@home> Message-ID: <20060120211235.84508.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The german 1000ZXL has top bidders ( more than 4 of them) from China - indicating that these may be fake bids , I do not think any one in US or Europe going to pay 5000$+ for an item which might not work when it reaches the buyer? Or China may have new millionnairs waiting to buy these colectibles at whatever cost? Kannan drewes wrote: 1000zxl gold 5854600402---china58569794444 soundspace(ended)------china5856312497 B&W803 (ended)------china7383849695 Naim cd player(ended)---china7582364945(note the china item even quotes the serial number which was on the UK item which has already ended Where I note 'ended' --this means the original listing has already ended .Only the erant listing left on eBay. The gold 1000zxl on China is a bargain but I suggest you dont bid!!!!!This one you can still follow! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brien Stocker" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay > Thank you for the heads up! Do you have an auction # so we can follow 1 > of these potentially bogus auctions, please! > > Brien > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? 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Thirdly, hopefully Bala will come with his magic touch and set my poor, sad, long-neglected Dual turntables’ tonearms up correctly -- at long last. I think I’m gonna cry. Could be an interesting week. We could indeed have a “swap meet.” Better yet, we could have a “shoot out” of different Nak decks. It would be the perfect opportunity to do a definitive comparison listening test of every model Nak deck, both with commercial recordings and with live recordings via mic. This could be a landmark event in itself. I could get some bands in and let everyone practice live recording with Naks, o rwith other recorders -- and beating digital gear in the process. I’d have some birdfoot mic arrays and mic amps available for those without mics. Bring any recording gear you have a question about. Possibly we could have a service clinic of sorts, demonstrating head cleaning and demagnetizing techniques, but mainly tweaking head azimuth, bias and EQ, but not doing an on-the-spot restoration or major repair. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Anyway, I simply love the idea of the Nak-vention and Kermit's notion of > hosting the first one. I think we can even have Nak memorabilia for > sale, decks exchanges and so on. > But a brew pub? I think Kermit has better idea on thaT? I do know the local watering holes and a few good local microbreweries and wineries. Plus some quite good restaurants are nearby. Hey, Kansas isn’t all tornadoes and wheat fields! > Or are we going > to stay with him and have our rooms warmed by KT88 push pull amps? Well, the Green Room has a convert-a-bed, but I can rack mount the rest of you. There are some decent hotel accomodation locally, but don’t expect the rooms to have their own butlers and gratuitous Rolls-Royce. Michael Moore wrote: > Greetings from Atlanta, > Atlanta is indeed a great and centrally (transportation wise) located > place with lots to do, and we of the Atlanta group would love to see all > you folks, but I must admit an invitation to see Kermit's setup is very > enticing. I, for one, would vote for Kansas just to see him and his > great setup. Doane Hoag wrote: > What a great offer and it would be fun to see "The Collection" :~) Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Well, I think that is a definitely cool idea. I'd be happy to host the > 1st NAKtalk World Convention, if those who attend do not mind having it > at my gigantic 900-square-foot studio, decorated in stylish > Neo-70s-retro-tape-deck chic, which is conveniently located a few miles > from the burgeoning microtropolis of Bonner Springs in the Late Great > Flat State of Kansas, USA. Bring your own tornado (cyclone) and little > dog named Toto, if you want one. > > No, seriously, Jerry, 'tis a great idea and I do mean it when I invite > the group to have the convention in my humble studio. I could put on a > workshop showing some recording technique anyone can use. jerryjg wrote: >> Here’s a proposal for all of us great Naktalkers to meet ... for the 1st NAKtalk World convention. > ... THis would probably be more of a "north >> American" alliance, but might lead to a similar European NAktalk >> convention, and ultimately to a NAKtalk "WORLD" meeting! I've heard >> thos proposed before, so I'm just kind of "rekindling" the notion. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 20 22:59:04 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:59:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 -- And I suppose that the capstan bearing is worn... In-Reply-To: <43CFBBC1.3090005@yahoo.ca> References: <43CEF7B6.7040902@yahoo.ca> <43CF180A.5000408@woods-and-waters.com> <43CF9B26.8030803@rcn.com> <43CFBBC1.3090005@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43D15D28.3070002@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I just have 70% isopropyl rubbing alcohol and Kermit seems to say that > it's not good for this. Rubbing alcohol has other trace ingredients like lanolin or emolients that will make the pinch roller slippery. Using rubbing alcohol is like using dirty cleaning fluid, if you see what I mean. Clean thec pinch roller with a better cleaner and I expect that you'll see a dramatic improvement in your deck. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 20 23:02:54 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:02:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D15E0E.9060709@woods-and-waters.com> Hi David, David Thompson wrote: > Looking for cleaners in Australia I found two Caig products: > CaiKleen RBR Rubber Cleaner and Rejuvinator > CaiKleen IPA ultra pure Isopropyl alcohol > > Any one know of the first one? I keep CaiKleen RBR Rubber Cleaner and Rejuvinator in my service kit. It's excellent -- if used sparingly -- for bringing back to life badly glazed pinch rollers, rubber idlers and even belts. But I'd not use it on a day-to-day basis as a pinch roller cleaner. ONE WARNING: it will melt the synthetic rubber idlers used on 1970s vintage audiovisual cassettes, educational/corporate-grade reel-to-reels and high speed duplicators made by Wollensak, Telex, Recordex, Caliphone and Newcomb. Especially Wollensak 2500 Series equipment. I found out the hard way. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 20 23:10:26 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:10:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay In-Reply-To: <05CB6B7E-CC5E-4D43-8C4C-4BDE0F5F5F36@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005401c61e0e$50deec40$3fa487d9@oemcomputer> Personally, I've not seen one for 2-3 months, although you may remember the pair of tube amps I told everyone about that were being sold in Italy and Australia at the same time! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Brien Stocker > Sent: 20 January 2006 19:40 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay > > > Thank you for the heads up! Do you have an auction # so we can > follow 1 of these potentially bogus auctions, please! > > Brien > From rkunst at C-K.com Sat Jan 21 01:26:10 2006 From: rkunst at C-K.com (Ray Kunst) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:26:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog Message-ID: Hello, I downloaded some system photos in my blog. Check them out if you want to. Nakamichi RX-505 and RX-202 http://blog.myspace.com/chicago_ray Thanks, Ray From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Jan 21 01:47:50 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:47:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:26:10 -0600, Ray Kunst wrote: Really enjoyed those pics.Used to have one of those gold turntables.Your equipment rocks! i WANNA SEE MORE PICS OF nAKTALKERS SyTEMS!! i really enjoyed the PIcs from Marathon II!! > Hello, I downloaded some system photos in my blog. > Check them out if you want to. > > Nakamichi RX-505 and RX-202 > > http://blog.myspace.com/chicago_ray > > Thanks, > Ray > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 02:26:00 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <72452E24-CAC0-4CE1-8A17-C8843134C61A@mac.com> Message-ID: <20060121012600.53044.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The pinout for decks that use the RM-200 remote is here. http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif For the RM-200 compatible decks all you need to do is momentarily connect the signal to ground. For earlier decks that use the RM-100 remotes the signal must be connected to ground as long as you wanted that function. The remote connectors are different so they can't be connected to an incompatible deck. A little PIC microcontroller would be a simple way of doing it if someone wants to write the code. The hardest part is decoding the IR bit pattern. Or buy one of these. http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30626/article.html Or this one http://www.apogeekits.com/rf_remote_control_set.htm Or one of these (only 4 button transmitter though) http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1744.html SJ --- Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi folks, > Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our > decks > seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build > something that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to > build a little IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the > DIN > jacks on the decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given remote > > (eg, RM200) uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on > multiple decks. (Assuming that we can find the data in a service > manual that says what pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then > it > would just be a matter of programming one of those fancy learning > remotes correctly to send voltage to the appropriate pins when the > > corresponding button is pushed. That's probably the hard part. > > I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself > while playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote > quickly starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms > > with hands on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. > > Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? > > cheers, > Fred > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From daves at intergate.com Sat Jan 21 02:51:00 2006 From: daves at intergate.com (David) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:51:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <72452E24-CAC0-4CE1-8A17-C8843134C61A@mac.com> Message-ID: <01c801c61e2d$25279330$28f3fea9@custom> I would love at least a schematic of an IR unit and compatible handheld. By the way, the pins need grounded to operate the appropriate function, not a voltage. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Fred Lifton [mailto:flifton at mac.com] Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 06 14:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes Hi folks, Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our decks seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build something that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to build a little IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the DIN jacks on the decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given remote (eg, RM200) uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on multiple decks. (Assuming that we can find the data in a service manual that says what pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then it would just be a matter of programming one of those fancy learning remotes correctly to send voltage to the appropriate pins when the corresponding button is pushed. That's probably the hard part. I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself while playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote quickly starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms with hands on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? cheers, Fred From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 03:02:38 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:02:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Ist NAKTALK world convention...2006 or 7? In-Reply-To: <43D15C6B.2070301@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060121020238.89622.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok looks like Kermit is talking about a Naktalk version of the McIntosh clinic. That would be really great. Along with some cool Nak stuff with funds going back to Naktalk and to pay for the hosting of the convention. And Kermit, if you are really holding that session on mic placement, I am signing up right now! Regards Bala 79 Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi All, Hey, I’m totally serious about this convention idea. Though I admit to som eunlterir motives: Firstly, travel is difficult for me these days and it gives me achance to meet some of my Nak-talk friends. All on the list are welcome, of course, even “lurkers.” Secondly, it gives me the perfect excuse to get off my lazy duff and finish fixing the rest of my equipment. Even the BX-2 and 581. But probably not the Uher 1000 Report Pilot. Thirdly, hopefully Bala will come with his magic touch and set my poor, sad, long-neglected Dual turntables’ tonearms up correctly -- at long last. I think I’m gonna cry. Could be an interesting week. We could indeed have a “swap meet.” Better yet, we could have a “shoot out” of different Nak decks. It would be the perfect opportunity to do a definitive comparison listening test of every model Nak deck, both with commercial recordings and with live recordings via mic. This could be a landmark event in itself. I could get some bands in and let everyone practice live recording with Naks, o rwith other recorders -- and beating digital gear in the process. I’d have some birdfoot mic arrays and mic amps available for those without mics. Bring any recording gear you have a question about. Possibly we could have a service clinic of sorts, demonstrating head cleaning and demagnetizing techniques, but mainly tweaking head azimuth, bias and EQ, but not doing an on-the-spot restoration or major repair. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Anyway, I simply love the idea of the Nak-vention and Kermit's notion of > hosting the first one. I think we can even have Nak memorabilia for > sale, decks exchanges and so on. > But a brew pub? I think Kermit has better idea on thaT? I do know the local watering holes and a few good local microbreweries and wineries. Plus some quite good restaurants are nearby. Hey, Kansas isn’t all tornadoes and wheat fields! > Or are we going > to stay with him and have our rooms warmed by KT88 push pull amps? Well, the Green Room has a convert-a-bed, but I can rack mount the rest of you. There are some decent hotel accomodation locally, but don’t expect the rooms to have their own butlers and gratuitous Rolls-Royce. Michael Moore wrote: > Greetings from Atlanta, > Atlanta is indeed a great and centrally (transportation wise) located > place with lots to do, and we of the Atlanta group would love to see all > you folks, but I must admit an invitation to see Kermit's setup is very > enticing. I, for one, would vote for Kansas just to see him and his > great setup. Doane Hoag wrote: > What a great offer and it would be fun to see "The Collection" :~) Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Well, I think that is a definitely cool idea. I'd be happy to host the > 1st NAKtalk World Convention, if those who attend do not mind having it > at my gigantic 900-square-foot studio, decorated in stylish > Neo-70s-retro-tape-deck chic, which is conveniently located a few miles > from the burgeoning microtropolis of Bonner Springs in the Late Great > Flat State of Kansas, USA. Bring your own tornado (cyclone) and little > dog named Toto, if you want one. > > No, seriously, Jerry, 'tis a great idea and I do mean it when I invite > the group to have the convention in my humble studio. I could put on a > workshop showing some recording technique anyone can use. jerryjg wrote: >> Here’s a proposal for all of us great Naktalkers to meet ... for the 1st NAKtalk World convention. > ... THis would probably be more of a "north >> American" alliance, but might lead to a similar European NAktalk >> convention, and ultimately to a NAKtalk "WORLD" meeting! I've heard >> thos proposed before, so I'm just kind of "rekindling" the notion. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 03:04:19 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:04:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay In-Reply-To: <20060120211235.84508.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060121020419.90172.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I don't think the Chinese do not have the money. BMW reported a 57% rise in sales within China. Could be a wealth politician's son looking for some retro kick. Bala 79 Labs kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: The german 1000ZXL has top bidders ( more than 4 of them) from China - indicating that these may be fake bids , I do not think any one in US or Europe going to pay 5000$+ for an item which might not work when it reaches the buyer? Or China may have new millionnairs waiting to buy these colectibles at whatever cost? Kannan drewes wrote: 1000zxl gold 5854600402---china58569794444 soundspace(ended)------china5856312497 B&W803 (ended)------china7383849695 Naim cd player(ended)---china7582364945(note the china item even quotes the serial number which was on the UK item which has already ended Where I note 'ended' --this means the original listing has already ended .Only the erant listing left on eBay. The gold 1000zxl on China is a bargain but I suggest you dont bid!!!!!T! his one you can still follow! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brien Stocker" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay > Thank you for the heads up! 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See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 03:30:59 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:30:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Replacement Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <43D14651.3040603@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060121023059.40300.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, Been looking at my own remotes. It is not a impossible thing to add an IR capability on most Nak machines. If there is sufficient keen response, I would be able to make these remotes. Best Regards, Bala 79 Labs Antoine Deschênes wrote: Search for FPRC5RX on Google. What you have to do : - Program a PIC - Connect an IR receiver to it - Program the codes on the PIC(You can and should use the codes for a Sony Tape Deck on your universal remote) - Connect x of the 16 PIC outputs properly. It's normal if you don't understand because the steps are simplified but once you read the FPRC5RX, you can understand easily what to do. I can make a scheme if you can give me the DIN pinout. (Or someone can trace the scheme of a wired remote) Fred Lifton a écrit : > Hi folks, > Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our decks > seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build something > that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to build a little > IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the DIN jacks on the > decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given remote (eg, RM200) > uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on multiple decks. > (Assuming that we can find the data in a service manual that says what > pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then it would just be a matter > of programming one of those fancy learning remotes correctly to send > voltage to the appropriate pins when the corresponding button is > pushed. That's probably the hard part. > > I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself while > playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote quickly > starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms with hands > on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. > > Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? > > cheers, > Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at autoconsortium.com Sat Jan 21 04:46:29 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:46:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200601210247.k0L2l3rR007919@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Here is a photo of my system, it's kind of dark, but you can see most of it: http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium/basement.jpg System: Polk SDA SRS speakers (with upgraded crossovers and tweeters) 2 (two) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps at 800w a piece Adcom GTP600 preamp Nakamichi Dragon Nakamichi RX505 Nakamichi OMS7 cd Infocus projector Audiosource EQ1 (for tweaking tapes) Sony DVD player Tara labs, straightwire interconnects Monstercable speaker wire Alex Cagann > equipment rocks! i WANNA SEE MORE PICS OF nAKTALKERS SyTEMS!! i really > enjoyed the PIcs from Marathon II!! > > Hello, I downloaded some system photos in my blog. > > Check them out if you want to. > > > > Nakamichi RX-505 and RX-202 > > > > http://blog.myspace.com/chicago_ray > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Jan 21 04:00:16 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:00:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <20060121012600.53044.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060121012600.53044.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43D1A3C0.9040605@yahoo.ca> And about what David said : >By the way, the pins need grounded to operate the appropriate function, >not a voltage. No problem, we just need some transistors! Scott Johnson a écrit : > The pinout for decks that use the RM-200 remote is here. > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > For the RM-200 compatible decks all you need to do is momentarily > connect the signal to ground. Thanks! I guess I could do something with this if people want. > For earlier decks that use the RM-100 > remotes the signal must be connected to ground as long as you wanted > that function. The remote connectors are different so they can't be > connected to an incompatible deck. > > A little PIC microcontroller would be a simple way of doing it if > someone wants to write the code. The hardest part is decoding the IR > bit pattern. > There's already a project just for this. You flash the ROM, program the Sony-format codes and connect the pins! > Or buy one of these. > http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30626/article.html > Or this one > http://www.apogeekits.com/rf_remote_control_set.htm > Or one of these (only 4 button transmitter though) > http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1744.html > > SJ > > --- Fred Lifton wrote: > > >> Hi folks, >> Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our >> decks >> seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build >> something that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to >> build a little IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the >> DIN >> jacks on the decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given remote >> >> (eg, RM200) uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on >> multiple decks. (Assuming that we can find the data in a service >> manual that says what pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then >> it >> would just be a matter of programming one of those fancy learning >> remotes correctly to send voltage to the appropriate pins when the >> >> corresponding button is pushed. That's probably the hard part. >> >> I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself >> while playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote >> quickly starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms >> >> with hands on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. >> >> Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? >> >> cheers, >> Fred >> From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Jan 21 04:38:00 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:38:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <20060121012600.53044.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know which decks are compatible with the RM-5 wired remote? Thanks. >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) > >The pinout for decks that use the RM-200 remote is here. > >http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > >For the RM-200 compatible decks all you need to do is momentarily >connect the signal to ground. For earlier decks that use the RM-100 >remotes the signal must be connected to ground as long as you wanted >that function. The remote connectors are different so they can't be >connected to an incompatible deck. > >A little PIC microcontroller would be a simple way of doing it if >someone wants to write the code. The hardest part is decoding the IR >bit pattern. >Or buy one of these. >http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30626/article.html >Or this one >http://www.apogeekits.com/rf_remote_control_set.htm >Or one of these (only 4 button transmitter though) >http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1744.html > >SJ From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Jan 21 04:42:08 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:42:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <20060121023059.40300.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bala, If you are able to make the IR remote for the BX-series or even better, the RX-505 to incorporate the reverse function, I would definitely get them from you! Although I haven't posted regularly on naktalk, I have been reading all posts for a few years now and I remember Ron said he made one for his own use before. Maybe Ron can confirm if my memory's right or not cos it's been a couple of years or so since he said that? Kelvin. >Hi everyone, > > Been looking at my own remotes. It is not a impossible >thing to add an IR capability on most Nak machines. If there is sufficient >keen response, I would be able to make these remotes. > > Best Regards, > Bala > 79 Labs From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 06:51:54 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:51:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060121055154.31803.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The RM-5 works with the following decks 580, 580M, 581, 581Z, 582, 582Z, 680, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX, 700ZXE, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL, BX-300, CR-2, CR-3, CR-4, CR-5, LX-3, LX-5, MR-1, ZX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9 I don't think I left any out. SJ --- winnie pooh wrote: > > Does anyone know which decks are compatible with the RM-5 wired > remote? > Thanks. > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes > >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) > > > >The pinout for decks that use the RM-200 remote is here. > > > >http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > >For the RM-200 compatible decks all you need to do is momentarily > >connect the signal to ground. For earlier decks that use the > RM-100 > >remotes the signal must be connected to ground as long as you > wanted > >that function. The remote connectors are different so they can't > be > >connected to an incompatible deck. > > > >A little PIC microcontroller would be a simple way of doing it if > >someone wants to write the code. The hardest part is decoding the > IR > >bit pattern. > >Or buy one of these. > >http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30626/article.html > >Or this one > >http://www.apogeekits.com/rf_remote_control_set.htm > >Or one of these (only 4 button transmitter though) > >http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1744.html > > > >SJ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jan 21 07:19:28 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:19:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes Message-ID: Hi Scott! BTW..My remote cord controller which I brought with my Tri tracer 1000/2, are suitable for the older 1000/700 & 700/2...BUT... I tried with my Dragon and surprise...works also, of course Forward direction only..., but all the functions hold recording, pause, play, FF & RF...works...it's amazing...No? ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:51:54 -0800 (PST) > >The RM-5 works with the following decks >580, 580M, 581, 581Z, 582, 582Z, 680, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX, 700ZXE, >700ZXL, 1000ZXL, BX-300, CR-2, CR-3, CR-4, CR-5, LX-3, LX-5, MR-1, >ZX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9 > >I don't think I left any out. > >SJ > >--- winnie pooh wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know which decks are compatible with the RM-5 wired > > remote? > > Thanks. > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes > > >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >The pinout for decks that use the RM-200 remote is here. > > > > > >http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > > > >For the RM-200 compatible decks all you need to do is momentarily > > >connect the signal to ground. For earlier decks that use the > > RM-100 > > >remotes the signal must be connected to ground as long as you > > wanted > > >that function. The remote connectors are different so they can't > > be > > >connected to an incompatible deck. > > > > > >A little PIC microcontroller would be a simple way of doing it if > > >someone wants to write the code. The hardest part is decoding the > > IR > > >bit pattern. > > >Or buy one of these. > > >http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30626/article.html > > >Or this one > > >http://www.apogeekits.com/rf_remote_control_set.htm > > >Or one of these (only 4 button transmitter though) > > >http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1744.html > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 07:46:12 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:46:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <20060121055154.31803.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060121064612.79250.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Also it will work with the Dragon and RX-303/505 but, won't support the autoreverse feature. SJ --- Scott Johnson wrote: > The RM-5 works with the following decks > 580, 580M, 581, 581Z, 582, 582Z, 680, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX, 700ZXE, > 700ZXL, 1000ZXL, BX-300, CR-2, CR-3, CR-4, CR-5, LX-3, LX-5, MR-1, > ZX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9 > > I don't think I left any out. > > SJ > > --- winnie pooh wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know which decks are compatible with the RM-5 wired > > remote? > > Thanks. > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes > > >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >The pinout for decks that use the RM-200 remote is here. > > > > > >http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > > > >For the RM-200 compatible decks all you need to do is > momentarily > > >connect the signal to ground. For earlier decks that use the > > RM-100 > > >remotes the signal must be connected to ground as long as you > > wanted > > >that function. The remote connectors are different so they > can't > > be > > >connected to an incompatible deck. > > > > > >A little PIC microcontroller would be a simple way of doing it > if > > >someone wants to write the code. The hardest part is decoding > the > > IR > > >bit pattern. > > >Or buy one of these. > > >http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30626/article.html > > >Or this one > > >http://www.apogeekits.com/rf_remote_control_set.htm > > >Or one of these (only 4 button transmitter though) > > >http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1744.html > > > > > >SJ > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tmko at streamyx.com Sat Jan 21 06:26:51 2006 From: tmko at streamyx.com (tedmin) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:26:51 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Demo cassette - songs Message-ID: <000801c61e4b$4a010880$0401010a@Streamyx> I bought my Nakamichi 600II in 1986 then changed to Nakamichi 680ZX the following year and I need one favour from you. The request is I love a song titled "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" found in the Demonstration tape given away free with the purchased Nakamichi Deck but the problem is I do not know who was the singer (I think she is a black soul singer). Can you help me in this area? I am so anxious to know who she was and wud like to know if I can obtain a Demo tape or a cd of the similar one. Thanks Michael Ko Ted Min Kuching, Sarawak, East Malaysia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 21 09:27:24 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:27:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Demo cassette - songs In-Reply-To: <000801c61e4b$4a010880$0401010a@Streamyx> Message-ID: <001b01c61e64$82a51e60$7300a8c0@Shaun> Nina Simone. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tedmin Sent: 21 January 2006 05:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Demo cassette - songs I bought my Nakamichi 600II in 1986 then changed to Nakamichi 680ZX the following year and I need one favour from you. The request is I love a song titled "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" found in the Demonstration tape given away free with the purchased Nakamichi Deck but the problem is I do not know who was the singer (I think she is a black soul singer). Can you help me in this area? I am so anxious to know who she was and wud like to know if I can obtain a Demo tape or a cd of the similar one. Thanks Michael Ko Ted Min Kuching, Sarawak, East Malaysia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Sat Jan 21 10:37:07 2006 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:37:07 +0000 Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 75 Re: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay In-Reply-To: <200601210341.k0L3eaNA014508@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601210341.k0L3eaNA014508@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: > > >Message: 3 >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:04:19 -0800 (PST) >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <20060121020419.90172.qmail at web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi, > > I don't think the Chinese do not have the money. BMW reported a >57% rise in sales within China. Could be a wealth politician's son >looking for some retro kick. > > Bala > 79 Labs > >kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > The german 1000ZXL has top bidders ( more than 4 of them) from >China - indicating that these may be fake bids , I do not think any >one in US or Europe going to pay 5000$+ for an item which might not >work when it reaches the buyer? Or China may have new millionnairs >waiting to buy these colectibles at whatever cost? > Kannan > >drewes wrote: > 1000zxl gold 5854600402---china58569794444 >soundspace(ended)------china5856312497 >B&W803 (ended)------china7383849695 >Naim cd player(ended)---china7582364945(note the china item even quotes the >serial number which was on the UK item which has already ended >Where I note 'ended' --this means the original listing has already ended >.Only the erant listing left on eBay. >The gold 1000zxl on China is a bargain but I suggest you dont bid!!!!!T! his >one you can still follow! >Walter Hi Walter. Very interesting. The sale of the B & W 803's item 7383849695 is curious, especially when I see IKEA furniture either side of the speakers - IKEA big in China yet? I smell a big rat here! -- Regards John Chapman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Sat Jan 21 10:43:45 2006 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:43:45 +0000 Subject: Subject: Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 75 Re: [naktalk] Fake auctions on eBay Message-ID: Re Walter's comments: the sale of the B & W's, notice its the same pics as used in a sale here in the UK which finished on the 15th January. The sold for £2,700. Nice speakers too! -- Regards John Chapman From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 21 13:06:21 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:06:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Demo cassette - songs In-Reply-To: <001b01c61e64$82a51e60$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <002f01c61e83$191cba60$7300a8c0@Shaun> Michael, I have an mp3 of Nina Simone singing that song. Would you like a copy? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: 21 January 2006 08:27 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Demo cassette - songs Nina Simone. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tedmin Sent: 21 January 2006 05:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Demo cassette - songs I bought my Nakamichi 600II in 1986 then changed to Nakamichi 680ZX the following year and I need one favour from you. The request is I love a song titled "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" found in the Demonstration tape given away free with the purchased Nakamichi Deck but the problem is I do not know who was the singer (I think she is a black soul singer). Can you help me in this area? I am so anxious to know who she was and wud like to know if I can obtain a Demo tape or a cd of the similar one. Thanks Michael Ko Ted Min Kuching, Sarawak, East Malaysia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 21 16:50:42 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:50:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <72452E24-CAC0-4CE1-8A17-C8843134C61A@mac.com> References: <200601120342.k0C3gVUo004814@zxe.naks.com> <72452E24-CAC0-4CE1-8A17-C8843134C61A@mac.com> Message-ID: <43D25852.3020300@rcn.com> I addressed this some time ago. At the time, several inquiries were made for CR-7 remotes. I even offered to build such a remote for anyone here, but there were no takers. I guess the price (about $100) was considered too high for a non-original remote. This is quite doable and could be a fun project. Even more interesting (and more expensive :-( ) would be add functions, such as ON/OFF control for the CR-7, which was the thing I wanted. I wound up feeding my CR-7 from an X-10 controlled outlet (also the ReVox turntable and the Cheapo Denon CD player that should have had an ON/OFF remote function, but doesn't). This satisfied my immediate need. -- Ron Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi folks, > Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our decks > seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build something > that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to build a little > IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the DIN jacks on the > decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given remote (eg, RM200) uses > the same pin-outs, so the device would work on multiple decks. > (Assuming that we can find the data in a service manual that says what > pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then it would just be a matter > of programming one of those fancy learning remotes correctly to send > voltage to the appropriate pins when the corresponding button is > pushed. That's probably the hard part. > > I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself while > playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote quickly > starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms with hands > on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. > > Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? > > cheers, > Fred From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Jan 21 17:16:51 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:16:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement Nak remotes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D25E73.7070809@yahoo.ca> With my BX-2 it would be quite easy to do. I just have to build a small board that uses the wires of the front panel buttons. winnie pooh a écrit : > > Hi Bala, > > If you are able to make the IR remote for the BX-series or even > better, the RX-505 to incorporate the reverse function, I would > definitely get them from you! Although I haven't posted regularly on > naktalk, I have been reading all posts for a few years now and I > remember Ron said he made one for his own use before. Maybe Ron can > confirm if my memory's right or not cos it's been a couple of years or > so since he said that? > > Kelvin. > > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Been looking at my own remotes. It is not a >> impossible thing to add an IR capability on most Nak machines. If >> there is sufficient keen response, I would be able to make these >> remotes. >> >> Best Regards, >> Bala >> 79 Labs From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Jan 21 18:36:51 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:36:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <00ce01c61dff$a016e9c0$6401a8c0@shuttle> References: <72452E24-CAC0-4CE1-8A17-C8843134C61A@mac.com> <00ce01c61dff$a016e9c0$6401a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:25:16 -0800, Ken Mashlan wrote: >My service manual for the 1000zxl has the schematics etc for the RM-300 >remote which controlled the RAMM and the mechanism. If helpful I can scan >the pages and load up to Thomas' website. Please do. I am not familiar with Thomas' website soplease post the URL when the scans are availalbe. Mikkel From flifton at mac.com Sat Jan 21 18:40:40 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:40:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Demo cassette In-Reply-To: <200601211100.k0LB044v015540@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601211100.k0LB044v015540@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3D95E18B-938A-4179-8C70-0ECB41B82CF1@mac.com> Never having been fortunate enough to buy a new Nak, I've never heard the Demo tape, but I believe "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" was first recorded by the Eric Burden and the Animals. It has been covered many times by many people, but I *think* the track you're referring to is probably the Nina Simone version. There was also a very popular version in the late 70's that was done by a latin singer named Santa Esmerelda. If you get yourself a Nina Simone album I guarantee you won't be disappointed even if it's not the correct version! best, Fred > On Jan 21, 2006, at 3:00 AM, Tedmin wrote: > >> I bought my Nakamichi 600II in 1986 then changed to Nakamichi >> 680ZX the following year and I need one favour from you. >> The request is I love a song titled "Don't Let Me Be >> Misunderstood" found in the Demonstration tape given away free >> with the purchased Nakamichi Deck but the problem is I do not know >> who was the singer (I think she is a black soul singer). Can you >> help me in this area? I am so anxious to know who she was and wud >> like to know if I can obtain a Demo tape or a cd of the similar one. >> Thanks >> >> Michael Ko Ted Min >> Kuching, Sarawak, East Malaysia. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teethrus at bigpond.net.au Sat Jan 21 19:06:43 2006 From: teethrus at bigpond.net.au (Nick Mega) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 05:06:43 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 580 head aignment Message-ID: <43D27833.2050809@bigpond.net.au> Hi Could anybody run me through reseting head alignment on a 580 2 head deck Thanks Nick Mega -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 20/1/2006 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 21 20:05:53 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:05:53 -0000 Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 75 Re: [naktalk] Fake auctionson eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002801c61ebd$b3785da0$82b687d9@oemcomputer> Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 75 Re: [naktalk] Fake auPossibly ... IKEA opened a store in Moscow last year so China, as the soon to be 4th largest economy in the World (overtaking the UK), is sure to be on their list of future markets if they haven't got a foot in the door already. Hi Walter. Very interesting. The sale of the B & W 803's item 7383849695 is curious, especially when I see IKEA furniture either side of the speakers - IKEA big in China yet? I smell a big rat here! -- Regards John Chapman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jan 21 20:05:33 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:05:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Demo cassette Message-ID: I always liked the Santa Esmeralda version from around '77 though I don't suppose it found it way into the hallowed environment of a Nak demo tape. Where did that term "cover version" come from? It sounds so respectful for what is really licenced plagiarism. (Even though they are usually sound OK)..Not always though.... I mean Jessica Simpson murdering Berlin's (and Moroder's) song "Take my Breath Away" was one of the worst "covers" to be shoved down our gagging throats last year.......Naturally, most of the kids blowing their old man's loot on it had never heard the original set against the movie backdrop of "Top Gun". I'm sure if they had, the mix wouldn't be thick enough to be aurally intellegible though, and of course, not nearly enough overlays and where's the bass machine...... I guess I'm having a love my fellow man day. Everyone except naktalkers who are the best. Have a good weekend!! Marc >>> flifton at mac.com 1/21/2006 7:40:40 PM >>> Never having been fortunate enough to buy a new Nak, I've never heard the Demo tape, but I believe "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" was first recorded by the Eric Burden and the Animals. It has been covered many times by many people, but I *think* the track you're referring to is probably the Nina Simone version. There was also a very popular version in the late 70's that was done by a latin singer named Santa Esmerelda. If you get yourself a Nina Simone album I guarantee you won't be disappointed even if it's not the correct version! best, Fred > On Jan 21, 2006, at 3:00 AM, Tedmin wrote: > >> I bought my Nakamichi 600II in 1986 then changed to Nakamichi >> 680ZX the following year and I need one favour from you. >> The request is I love a song titled "Don't Let Me Be >> Misunderstood" found in the Demonstration tape given away free >> with the purchased Nakamichi Deck but the problem is I do not know >> who was the singer (I think she is a black soul singer). Can you >> help me in this area? I am so anxious to know who she was and wud >> like to know if I can obtain a Demo tape or a cd of the similar one. >> Thanks >> >> Michael Ko Ted Min >> Kuching, Sarawak, East Malaysia. > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sat Jan 21 20:28:51 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:28:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Scottish non alcoholic without a remote -chance of Nak week! Message-ID: Well Thanks Kermit (who wrote) >Hey Ian! SNIP >Oh, wow man, talk about a "high" fidelity system. It's a good thing you >weren't stopped afterward by the local police for a traffic violation. >"Homegrown jerrymuana"? Not Tijuana Seedless? I'm joking. for the concern about the cops picking me up whilst cleaning my discs....... however i had no intention of leaving the floor I was lying around on listening to records. So no driving was ever going to happen, and had I realised I was ineebriated I wouldnt have driven anyway. I do my best to be a good citizen even though the lunatics took over the asylum ...... and I never liked wotshis name and his tijuana brass... ah yes herb (!) alpert (no connection to Leary!) John Chapman wrote: >Hi Nakaholics: >re alcohol etc ad nauseum in Scotland. How very droll. Thank God I >live in Cornwall! At least >He's a Mac man. >My name is John and I do have a drink problem. I can't afford Remy Martin SNIP >This bathes the album in the liquid, rotates it through goat hair >brushes, both sides at once, >and removes everything Including the goat by the sounds of it! With regard to ad nauseum ...... yes I do write a lot but its over 20 miles north and south until any town shows up and say 16 miles east and west and neighbours live at binocular distance or over the hills, so perhaps I am a sad specimen with nothing better to do than write to the community building side of the Nak forum. As for the Remy Martin deficiencies in Cornwall ........ well I could post some Hennessy down to you? However I am pleased to say at least no goats were harmed in the cleaning of my records...... as far as i recall. With regard to a nakathon week in the US ...... I like the idea of it but am unlikely to come as where I live is so remote its a nuisance getting away. Talking of remotes though I would like to put my hand up for a remote (RM100 style) for the 481z. As Fred Lifton said: one Definitely need those extra hands when dealing with mikes, mixers and tape decks. Im off on my hols........ I hope all goes well and that this is brief enuff.... relatively Peace ian r From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 20:34:15 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:34:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 580 head aignment In-Reply-To: <43D27833.2050809@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <20060121193415.49140.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For 2-head calibration Classic mechanism deck you can refer to the 3-head service manual and ignore everything refering to record head. I have created a couple web pages for the Nak 660ZX deck mechanical and electrical calibration procedure. First mechanical Go here http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt1.html and perform steps 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6, 4.8, And then for electrical Go here http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt2.html and perform steps 5 and 6. If you don't have the gauges required in that step, skip it since you will most likely make it worse. If no one has screwed with the adjustments then steps 4.3 - 4.8 can be skiped. They are required only when replacing a head (or when someone who doesn't know what they're doing messed with the screws.) Steps 5 & 6 are really the only steps that need to be performed during regular maintainance and even then they rarely need to be touched. If you are having issues with record/playback quality it's probably electrical and not mechanical. In which case you will need to refer to a 2-head service manual since it is much more difficult and time consuming to calibrate than a 3-head deck. SJ --- Nick Mega wrote: > Hi > Could anybody run me through reseting head alignment on a 580 2 > head deck > Thanks > Nick Mega > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: > 20/1/2006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Jan 21 20:42:52 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:42:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: References: <72452E24-CAC0-4CE1-8A17-C8843134C61A@mac.com> <00ce01c61dff$a016e9c0$6401a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: <43D28EBC.7020700@yahoo.ca> http://www.naks.mine.nu/ I think. Mikkel Breiler a écrit : > On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:25:16 -0800, Ken Mashlan wrote: > > >> My service manual for the 1000zxl has the schematics etc for the RM-300 >> remote which controlled the RAMM and the mechanism. If helpful I can scan >> the pages and load up to Thomas' website. >> > > Please do. I am not familiar with Thomas' website soplease post the URL when the > scans are availalbe. > > Mikkel > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Jan 21 20:45:44 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:45:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <20060121012600.53044.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060121012600.53044.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43D28F68.2020002@yahoo.ca> I practically finished the scheme for an IR version of the RM-200 remote. Should I also add a power switch? We would need to plug the Nak in the remote receiver tho. Scott Johnson a écrit : > The pinout for decks that use the RM-200 remote is here. > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > For the RM-200 compatible decks all you need to do is momentarily > connect the signal to ground. For earlier decks that use the RM-100 > remotes the signal must be connected to ground as long as you wanted > that function. The remote connectors are different so they can't be > connected to an incompatible deck. > > A little PIC microcontroller would be a simple way of doing it if > someone wants to write the code. The hardest part is decoding the IR > bit pattern. > Or buy one of these. > http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30626/article.html > Or this one > http://www.apogeekits.com/rf_remote_control_set.htm > Or one of these (only 4 button transmitter though) > http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1744.html > > SJ > > --- Fred Lifton wrote: > > >> Hi folks, >> Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our >> decks >> seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build >> something that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to >> build a little IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the >> DIN >> jacks on the decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given remote >> >> (eg, RM200) uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on >> multiple decks. (Assuming that we can find the data in a service >> manual that says what pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then >> it >> would just be a matter of programming one of those fancy learning >> remotes correctly to send voltage to the appropriate pins when the >> >> corresponding button is pushed. That's probably the hard part. >> >> I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself >> while playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote >> quickly starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms >> >> with hands on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. >> >> Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? >> >> cheers, >> Fred From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Jan 21 21:03:33 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:03:33 +0200 Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 75 Re: [naktalk] Fake auctionson eBay References: <002801c61ebd$b3785da0$82b687d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001001c61ec5$c3307040$60d117c4@home> Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 75 Re: [naktalk] Fake auI am toying (together with other investors who pressurise me,because of my glowing reports to them of the US and German ones) to open an IKEA franchise in South Africa(the African Continent is the only continent in the world in which IKEA is not represented ala IKEA)They however require a HUGE investment for proper stocking of their various items-- which makes things a wee bit difficult! Were working on it though! I dont think one must be side tracked about the Chinese wealth when viewing the bids on the golden 1000ZXL.I dont know the genuineness of the German listing,I have not checked it(I am not casting any aspersions on it, or if chinese bidding is chasing the price up as someone ventured the possibility of this might be happening). However on one Naim item that was listed in UK, I found a similiar listing(cheap) in China (no feedback by a newie),ALSO found for the same item as a listing in France(low starting ask--should have been much higher)- same pictures (by a newie)! I am not aledging that these listings are all fake,but one must be wide awake on expensive Nakamichi(or other) items! Direct PERSONAL contact with the seller should be established prior to bidding on high value items. I see on one of the Chinese matters that I raised were the seller had only been a member on eBay for a few days prior to the listing---He is now shown as having ceased to be a member! Interesting., It is therefore a case of CAVEAT EMPTOR !(let the purchaser beware) I must say John that was sharp of you seeing the IKEA angle on the picture in the listing of the B&W speakers! I wonder how many Nakkers know that the firm that makes those wonderfull B&W speakers (at least to those people who live on the other side of the pond and ocean ) are the very same people who do such a good job repairing and servicing some of our members' NAKS.! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:05 PM Subject: RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35,Issue 75 Re: [naktalk] Fake auctionson eBay Possibly ... IKEA opened a store in Moscow last year so China, as the soon to be 4th largest economy in the World (overtaking the UK), is sure to be on their list of future markets if they haven't got a foot in the door already. Hi Walter. Very interesting. The sale of the B & W 803's item 7383849695 is curious, especially when I see IKEA furniture either side of the speakers - IKEA big in China yet? I smell a big rat here! -- Regards John Chapman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Jan 21 21:43:25 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:43:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <43D28F68.2020002@yahoo.ca> References: <20060121012600.53044.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43D28F68.2020002@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43D29CED.4060206@yahoo.ca> Finished! It's on my files website : http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ Click NakRemote.png. The 5v source can be a simple 7805-based PSU. There's currently no power button for the Nak. It's a learning receiver so that you can use any universal remote with Sony and Philips codes with it. Antoine Deschênes a écrit : > I practically finished the scheme for an IR version of the RM-200 > remote. Should I also add a power switch? We would need to plug the > Nak in the remote receiver tho. > > Scott Johnson a écrit : >> The pinout for decks that use the RM-200 remote is here. >> >> http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif >> >> For the RM-200 compatible decks all you need to do is momentarily >> connect the signal to ground. For earlier decks that use the RM-100 >> remotes the signal must be connected to ground as long as you wanted >> that function. The remote connectors are different so they can't be >> connected to an incompatible deck. >> >> A little PIC microcontroller would be a simple way of doing it if >> someone wants to write the code. The hardest part is decoding the IR >> bit pattern. >> Or buy one of these. >> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30626/article.html >> Or this one >> http://www.apogeekits.com/rf_remote_control_set.htm >> Or one of these (only 4 button transmitter though) >> http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1744.html >> >> SJ >> >> --- Fred Lifton wrote: >> >> >>> Hi folks, >>> Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our >>> decks seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build >>> something that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to >>> build a little IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the >>> DIN jacks on the decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given >>> remote >>> >>> (eg, RM200) uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on >>> multiple decks. (Assuming that we can find the data in a service >>> manual that says what pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then >>> it would just be a matter of programming one of those fancy >>> learning remotes correctly to send voltage to the appropriate pins >>> when the >>> corresponding button is pushed. That's probably the hard part. >>> >>> I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself >>> while playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote >>> quickly starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms >>> >>> with hands on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. >>> >>> Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? >>> >>> cheers, >>> Fred From tomas at tlec.se Sat Jan 21 21:53:43 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:53:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <43D29CED.4060206@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:43 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes > > > Finished! It's on my files website : > http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ > Click NakRemote.png. The 5v source can be a simple 7805-based > PSU. There's currently no power button for the Nak. > Error 404 on the link. Post it to me and I publish it. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From rjkent at comcast.net Sat Jan 21 22:12:58 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:12:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Remotes Message-ID: <000a01c61ecf$76eec1a0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Ron Wrote: >I addressed this some time ago. At the time, several >inquiries were made for CR-7 remotes. I even offered >to build such a remote for anyone here, but there >were no takers. I guess the price (about $100) was >considered too high for a non-original remote. >This is quite doable and could be a fun project. Even >more interesting (and more expensive :-( ) would be >add functions, such as ON/OFF control for the CR-7, >which was the thing I wanted. I wound up feeding my >CR-7 from an X-10 controlled outlet (also the ReVox >turntable and the Cheapo Denon CD player that should >have had an ON/OFF remote function, but doesn't). This >satisfied my immediate need. >-- Ron Hi Ron, I remember our discussions, and your offer from a couple of years ago. At the time, I wasn't too interested in a unit for my CR-7 because I have a mint RM-7C. I would be very interested in an IR or RF remote to replace the RM-200 (for my CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX), a unit to replace the RM-15 (for my RX-505)., and a unit to replace the RM-20 (for my Dragon). I have a couple of RM-580s and an adapter for using the RM-580 with my RX-505 (courtesy of Jeff Galin). But the adapter doesn't access the reverse functions on the RX-505. The RM-580 is great on the 670ZX and 682ZX....I wish I had a schematic for it. I would certainly be interested in paying for an assembled unit(s), or I would be happy to build one myself if a design were available.....but I'm a structural engineer, and not yet much past I=V/R. If this idea proceeds as a project, I am happy to help in any way I can.....perhaps research for parts BOMs, testing pin-outs, or something. I do have RM-200s, RM-15s, and RM-20s as well as my RM-580s and an RM-7C. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Jan 21 22:17:04 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:17:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remotes In-Reply-To: <000a01c61ecf$76eec1a0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <000a01c61ecf$76eec1a0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <43D2A4D0.2040902@yahoo.ca> Hi, rjkent at comcast.net a écrit : > I would be very interested in an IR or RF remote to replace the RM-200 That's what I just came up with. > > I would certainly be interested in paying for an assembled unit(s), or > I would be happy to build one myself if a design were available... It's a DIY project but nothing complicated except maybe for programming the ROM in it but a programmer is really easy to build. I can also make a PCB layout and maybe a scheme for a programmer. > Robert Kent From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 21 22:36:45 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:36:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <43D28F68.2020002@yahoo.ca> References: <20060121012600.53044.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43D28F68.2020002@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43D2A96D.5030500@rcn.com> This would be too simplistic. A 'correct' solution will keep functionality of the on/off switch, so that turning either on or off would be possible from either the front panel switch or from the new remote. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I practically finished the scheme for an IR version of the RM-200 > remote. Should I also add a power switch? We would need to plug the Nak > in the remote receiver tho. > > Scott Johnson a écrit : > >> The pinout for decks that use the RM-200 remote is here. >> >> http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif >> >> For the RM-200 compatible decks all you need to do is momentarily >> connect the signal to ground. For earlier decks that use the RM-100 >> remotes the signal must be connected to ground as long as you wanted >> that function. The remote connectors are different so they can't be >> connected to an incompatible deck. >> >> A little PIC microcontroller would be a simple way of doing it if >> someone wants to write the code. The hardest part is decoding the IR >> bit pattern. >> Or buy one of these. >> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30626/article.html >> Or this one >> http://www.apogeekits.com/rf_remote_control_set.htm >> Or one of these (only 4 button transmitter though) >> http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1744.html >> >> SJ >> >> --- Fred Lifton wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi folks, >>> Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our >>> decks seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build >>> something that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to >>> build a little IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the >>> DIN jacks on the decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given remote >>> >>> (eg, RM200) uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on >>> multiple decks. (Assuming that we can find the data in a service >>> manual that says what pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then >>> it would just be a matter of programming one of those fancy >>> learning remotes correctly to send voltage to the appropriate pins >>> when the >>> corresponding button is pushed. That's probably the hard part. >>> >>> I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself >>> while playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote >>> quickly starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms >>> >>> with hands on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. >>> >>> Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? >>> >>> cheers, >>> Fred From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 21 22:58:46 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:58:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remotes In-Reply-To: <000a01c61ecf$76eec1a0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <000a01c61ecf$76eec1a0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <43D2AE96.6060300@rcn.com> rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Ron Wrote: > >I addressed this some time ago. At the time, several > >inquiries were made for CR-7 remotes. I even offered > >to build such a remote for anyone here, but there > >were no takers. I guess the price (about $100) was > >considered too high for a non-original remote. > >This is quite doable and could be a fun project. Even > >more interesting (and more expensive :-( ) would be > >add functions, such as ON/OFF control for the CR-7, > >which was the thing I wanted. I wound up feeding my > >CR-7 from an X-10 controlled outlet (also the ReVox > >turntable and the Cheapo Denon CD player that should > >have had an ON/OFF remote function, but doesn't). This > >satisfied my immediate need. > >-- Ron > > Hi Ron, > > I remember our discussions, and your offer from a couple of years ago. > At the time, I wasn't too interested in a unit for my CR-7 because I > have a mint RM-7C. I would be very interested in an IR or RF remote to > replace the RM-200 (for my CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX), a unit to replace the > RM-15 (for my RX-505)., and a unit to replace the RM-20 (for my > Dragon). I have a couple of RM-580s and an adapter for using the RM-580 > with my RX-505 (courtesy of Jeff Galin). But the adapter doesn't access > the reverse functions on the RX-505. The RM-580 is great on the 670ZX > and 682ZX....I wish I had a schematic for it. > > I would certainly be interested in paying for an assembled unit(s), or I > would be happy to build one myself if a design were available.....but > I'm a structural engineer, and not yet much past I=V/R. If this idea > proceeds as a project, I am happy to help in any way I can.....perhaps > research for parts BOMs, testing pin-outs, or something. I do have > RM-200s, RM-15s, and RM-20s as well as my RM-580s and an RM-7C. > > Robert Kent What I planned on doing was get a remote control kit (transmitter plus receiver PCB) and build the receiver into a small box. I figured the CR-7 required 10 functions (Play, Pause, Stop, FF, REW, Azimuth right and left, On and Off). The CR-7 would have required the addition of a small and simple perf board (a rather simple mod). I had everything designed, but suspect I tossed the folder after moving on to other things... -- Ron From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jan 21 23:21:16 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:21:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Remotes In-Reply-To: <000a01c61ecf$76eec1a0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <000a01c61ecf$76eec1a0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <43D2B3DC.6030908@xs4all.nl> Hi Robert, The 580, 581 or 582 service manuals have the full RM-580 schematic included in the (original) manual. Wouter rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > to replace the RM-20 (for my Dragon). I have a couple of RM-580s and > an adapter for using the RM-580 with my RX-505 (courtesy of Jeff > Galin). But the adapter doesn't access the reverse functions on the > RX-505. The RM-580 is great on the 670ZX and 682ZX....I wish I had a > schematic for it. > > Robert Kent > From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Jan 21 23:35:23 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:35:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <20060121064612.79250.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Scott, for the comprehensive answer! Kelvin. >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:46:12 -0800 (PST) > >Also it will work with the Dragon and RX-303/505 but, won't support >the autoreverse feature. > >SJ > >--- Scott Johnson wrote: > > > The RM-5 works with the following decks > > 580, 580M, 581, 581Z, 582, 582Z, 680, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX, 700ZXE, > > 700ZXL, 1000ZXL, BX-300, CR-2, CR-3, CR-4, CR-5, LX-3, LX-5, MR-1, > > ZX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9 > > > > I don't think I left any out. > > > > SJ From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 11 06:26:18 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:26:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 550 Service Manual Message-ID: <43C496FA.9010809@woods-and-waters.com> Hi All, Does anyone have a downloadable copy of the Nakamichi 550 Service Manual? (NOTE: If you do have it, PLEASE DO NOT SEND IT TO MY EMAIL!!! I'm on dial-up Internet access and the download could take HOURS. I often get disconnected after 30 minutes or so, so emailing me the manual would in essence disable my email.) Thanks! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 21 23:41:56 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:41:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: <200601210247.k0L2l3rR007919@kropotkin.circlecity.net> References: <200601210247.k0L2l3rR007919@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <43D2B8B4.3050501@woods-and-waters.com> Nice system! Good to see a Nak in a good rig. No turntable or did I miss it? Alex Cagann wrote: > Here is a photo of my system, it's kind of dark, but you can see most of it: > > http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium/basement.jpg > > System: > > Polk SDA SRS speakers (with upgraded crossovers and tweeters) > 2 (two) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps at 800w a piece > Adcom GTP600 preamp > Nakamichi Dragon > Nakamichi RX505 > Nakamichi OMS7 cd > Infocus projector > Audiosource EQ1 (for tweaking tapes) > Sony DVD player > Tara labs, straightwire interconnects > Monstercable speaker wire > > Alex Cagann > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 21 23:40:44 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:40:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Ist NAKTALK world convention...2006 or 7? In-Reply-To: <20060121020238.89622.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060121020238.89622.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43D2B86C.1090600@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Ok looks like Kermit is talking about a Naktalk version of the McIntosh > clinic. That would be really great. Along with some cool Nak stuff with > funds going back to Naktalk and to pay for the hosting of the convention. Good recap of the concept. > And Kermit, if you are really holding that session on mic placement, I > am signing up right now! I'm planning sessions -- plural -- on mic placement, including an A/B comparison of the 3-mic Nak Live Recording method and my birdfoot array, achieved by using both on the same band at the same time and making simultaneous recordings on my two 550s. Then playing the two tapes back in loose sync and switching between the two to hear the differences. Don't know if I'll make this work, but I'd like to having streaming webcasts of the Convention's major events, like the mic placement sessions, for those who cannot attend in person. Hey Fred! Any ideas on this? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 21 23:54:03 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:54:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D2BB8B.5030304@woods-and-waters.com> Hey ray, Very cool rig! How do you like the Pioneer RT-1020L? I have the older RT-1011L. How do you like your B&O RX2? My turntables include the B&O 4004 and 2400. They have a distinct sound; not so sure it's audiophile quality, sort of a mellow-ish sound, a bit boxed in. You have the Shure V15VxMR! I always enjoyed the V-15 series. They have a punchy sound that fits most forms of popular music. Mine is the V-15 Type III. It's one of my "fun cartridges" but it's a bit too colored for serious classical or chamber music albums. I'm getting the impression from reading about everyone's systems that mine probably has the oldest gear, overall. Ray Kunst wrote: > Hello, I downloaded some system photos in my blog. > Check them out if you want to. > > Nakamichi RX-505 and RX-202 > > http://blog.myspace.com/chicago_ray -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From ti at amb.org Sun Jan 22 00:05:00 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:05:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: <43D2BB8B.5030304@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060121230500.3205B25C44@smtp.amb.org> Hi all, it's cool seeing your home hi-fi setups. You can see mine here: http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/ -Ti From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 22 02:48:47 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:48:47 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCB5@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> I like your taste in films. The Anchorman was a funny film. Tom. BTW - very nice setup. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2006 2:46 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog Here is a photo of my system, it's kind of dark, but you can see most of it: http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium/basement.jpg System: Polk SDA SRS speakers (with upgraded crossovers and tweeters) 2 (two) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps at 800w a piece Adcom GTP600 preamp Nakamichi Dragon Nakamichi RX505 Nakamichi OMS7 cd Infocus projector Audiosource EQ1 (for tweaking tapes) Sony DVD player Tara labs, straightwire interconnects Monstercable speaker wire Alex Cagann > equipment rocks! i WANNA SEE MORE PICS OF nAKTALKERS SyTEMS!! i really > enjoyed the PIcs from Marathon II!! > > Hello, I downloaded some system photos in my blog. > > Check them out if you want to. > > > > Nakamichi RX-505 and RX-202 > > > > http://blog.myspace.com/chicago_ray > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 22 02:56:20 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:56:20 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCB6@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Ray, is that a Sony ES series cd player. I own the X55ES model and it looks almost identical to yours. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jerryjg Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2006 11:48 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:26:10 -0600, Ray Kunst wrote: Really enjoyed those pics.Used to have one of those gold turntables.Your equipment rocks! i WANNA SEE MORE PICS OF nAKTALKERS SyTEMS!! i really enjoyed the PIcs from Marathon II!! > Hello, I downloaded some system photos in my blog. > Check them out if you want to. > > Nakamichi RX-505 and RX-202 > > http://blog.myspace.com/chicago_ray > > Thanks, > Ray > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Jan 22 03:28:21 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:28:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <20060121012600.53044.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060121012600.53044.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:26:00 -0600, Scott Johnson wrote: Wired Remotes suck dog eggs. Just me 2 pence.I rather do without a remote than have a wired remote. Now Wireless remotes rule! > The pinout for decks that use the RM-200 remote is here. > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > For the RM-200 compatible decks all you need to do is momentarily > connect the signal to ground. For earlier decks that use the RM-100 > remotes the signal must be connected to ground as long as you wanted > that function. The remote connectors are different so they can't be > connected to an incompatible deck. > > A little PIC microcontroller would be a simple way of doing it if > someone wants to write the code. The hardest part is decoding the IR > bit pattern. > Or buy one of these. > http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30626/article.html > Or this one > http://www.apogeekits.com/rf_remote_control_set.htm > Or one of these (only 4 button transmitter though) > http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1744.html > > SJ > > --- Fred Lifton wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our >> decks >> seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could build >> something that would work. I don't think it would be too hard to >> build a little IR receiving unit that connected correctly to the >> DIN >> jacks on the decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given remote >> >> (eg, RM200) uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on >> multiple decks. (Assuming that we can find the data in a service >> manual that says what pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then >> it >> would just be a matter of programming one of those fancy learning >> remotes correctly to send voltage to the appropriate pins when the >> >> corresponding button is pushed. That's probably the hard part. >> >> I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself >> while playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote >> quickly starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms >> >> with hands on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. >> >> Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? >> >> cheers, >> Fred >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Jan 22 03:56:54 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:56:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes In-Reply-To: <43D2A96D.5030500@rcn.com> References: <20060121012600.53044.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43D28F68.2020002@yahoo.ca> <43D2A96D.5030500@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43D2F476.5050606@yahoo.ca> We would need to put a momentary switch instead of the current one and let the PIC handle this. The project I use for my scheme has a mode for this. If we don't put a different power button, it's either a button on the IR receiver or a solenoid pulling the current button that would be needed. In any of these cases it's better to put the IR receiver in the Nak because without it, the unit will not be able to power on anymore. Ron a écrit : > > This would be too simplistic. A 'correct' solution > will keep functionality of the on/off switch, so > that turning either on or off would be possible > from either the front panel switch or from the new > remote. > > -- Ron > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> I practically finished the scheme for an IR version of the RM-200 >> remote. Should I also add a power switch? We would need to plug the >> Nak in the remote receiver tho. >> >> Scott Johnson a écrit : >> >>> The pinout for decks that use the RM-200 remote is here. >>> >>> http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif >>> >>> For the RM-200 compatible decks all you need to do is momentarily >>> connect the signal to ground. For earlier decks that use the RM-100 >>> remotes the signal must be connected to ground as long as you wanted >>> that function. The remote connectors are different so they can't be >>> connected to an incompatible deck. >>> >>> A little PIC microcontroller would be a simple way of doing it if >>> someone wants to write the code. The hardest part is decoding the IR >>> bit pattern. >>> Or buy one of these. >>> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30626/article.html >>> Or this one >>> http://www.apogeekits.com/rf_remote_control_set.htm >>> Or one of these (only 4 button transmitter though) >>> http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1744.html >>> >>> SJ >>> >>> --- Fred Lifton wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi folks, >>>> Here's something I've been wondering. Since the remotes for our >>>> decks seem rarer than hen's teeth, I'm wondering if we could >>>> build something that would work. I don't think it would be too >>>> hard to build a little IR receiving unit that connected correctly >>>> to the >>>> DIN jacks on the decks. Presumably any deck that can use a given >>>> remote >>>> >>>> (eg, RM200) uses the same pin-outs, so the device would work on >>>> multiple decks. (Assuming that we can find the data in a service >>>> manual that says what pins do what when voltage is applied.) Then >>>> it would just be a matter of programming one of those fancy >>>> learning remotes correctly to send voltage to the appropriate pins >>>> when the >>>> corresponding button is pushed. That's probably the hard part. >>>> >>>> I know, a remote seems like a luxury. But try recording yourself >>>> while playing the guitar and trying to run a mixer and a remote >>>> quickly starts to feel like a necessity. That or a couple more arms >>>> >>>> with hands on them, but that solution is pretty OT for this board. >>>> >>>> Any one who knows more about it care to chime in? >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> Fred From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 05:52:24 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:52:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 75 Re: [naktalk] Fake auctionson eBay In-Reply-To: <002801c61ebd$b3785da0$82b687d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060122045224.87127.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here in Singapore, 80% of everything that IKEA sells is made in China. They may have a bigger factory then the store. But given the fact that so many things are made there (they even make copies of the Bow ZZ-8 cd player), those guys must be making lotsa money. So a golden ZXL (and trust me guys, they love anything gold..) would be something they woud want to have. Bala Nelson wrote: BLOCKQUOTE { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } DL { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } UL { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } OL { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } LI { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } Possibly ... IKEA opened a store in Moscow last year so China, as the soon to be 4th largest economy in the World (overtaking the UK), is sure to be on their list of future markets if they haven't got a foot in the door already. Hi Walter. Very interesting. The sale of the B & W 803's item 7383849695 is curious, especially when I see IKEA furniture either side of the speakers - IKEA big in China yet? I smell a big rat here! -- Regards John Chapman ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Sun Jan 22 08:28:54 2006 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:28:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Wel, it's not a Nak 550... Message-ID: ...but I picked up a Superscope CD-320 portable cassette deck at a yard sale for ten cents. It needs a cleaning to remove a bunch of dust, and needs a new drive belt (which I quickly found, and it's already been shipped for $7.95). The old belt had turned to goo, so it'll need an internal cleaning before I put in the new belt. Other than that, it's in excellent shape. Two heads, two mic inputs, a monitor speaker, and fairly rugged construction. It's supposed to do 35-18k with CrO2, but only sports a 60 dB s/n. Still, for the price, it was impossible to turn down. From kjbleus at charter.net Sun Jan 22 09:05:34 2006 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:05:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Blast from the Past (Nak Marathon Tapes Project) Message-ID: <000a01c61f2a$a0d79bd0$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> For the latest generation of NakTalkers, who likely have not seen the playlist of the original Nak Marathon tapes project webpage. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Those were the days, eh? Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby at its.caltech.edu Sun Jan 22 04:24:01 2006 From: kby at its.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:24:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl limiteds produced Message-ID: I just registered mine; fits your scheme so far.-kby From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 22 14:48:42 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:48:42 -0000 Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 75 Re: [naktalk] Fake auctionson eBay In-Reply-To: <20060122045224.87127.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c61f5a$8e82eae0$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> LOL! Now, why doesn't it surprise me that IKEA would have a factory in China?!! BTW, are the copies of the Bow ZZ-8 any good? How much do they cost? If those guys can afford to make stuff so cheaply, I do wonder why they haven't yet tapped into the analogue recording market - after all, they are big with the tube gear. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 22 January 2006 04:52 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35,Issue 75 Re: [naktalk] Fake auctionson eBay Here in Singapore, 80% of everything that IKEA sells is made in China. They may have a bigger factory then the store. But given the fact that so many things are made there (they even make copies of the Bow ZZ-8 cd player), those guys must be making lotsa money. So a golden ZXL (and trust me guys, they love anything gold..) would be something they woud want to have. Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Jan 22 15:06:06 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:06:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wel, it's not a Nak 550... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D3914E.5020706@yahoo.ca> Are you sure it's not 3-heads? I have the CD-330 and it's 3 heads. The only thing is that the rec/play ones are in the same block (But not 2 heads). They are separated by some material making a line between both. John Berger a écrit : > ...but I picked up a Superscope CD-320 portable cassette deck at a yard > sale for ten cents. It needs a cleaning to remove a bunch of dust, and > needs a new drive belt (which I quickly found, and it's already been > shipped for $7.95). The old belt had turned to goo, so it'll need an > internal cleaning before I put in the new belt. Other than that, it's in > excellent shape. Two heads, two mic inputs, a monitor speaker, and fairly > rugged construction. > > It's supposed to do 35-18k with CrO2, but only sports a 60 dB s/n. Still, > for the price, it was impossible to turn down. > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 22 15:20:21 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:20:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Blast from the Past (Nak Marathon Tapes Project) In-Reply-To: <000a01c61f2a$a0d79bd0$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> References: <000a01c61f2a$a0d79bd0$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <43D394A5.2060906@rcn.com> KJ Bleus wrote: > For the latest generation of NakTalkers, who likely have not seen the > playlist of the original Nak Marathon tapes project webpage. > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > Those were the days, eh? They sure were... -- Ron > *//* > */Regards,/* > *//* > */Bleus de Nakker/* > */Madison, Wisc USA/* From alex at autoconsortium.com Sun Jan 22 17:38:41 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:38:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: <43D2B8B4.3050501@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <200601221539.k0MFdFrR029620@kropotkin.circlecity.net> No turntable. I never got into that. Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:42 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog > > Nice system! Good to see a Nak in a good rig. No turntable or did I miss > it? From alex at autoconsortium.com Sun Jan 22 17:42:37 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:42:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCB5@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <200601221543.k0MFhBrR029647@kropotkin.circlecity.net> I'm...I'm sort of important. I...KNOW people. I have many leatherbound books. My house smells of rich mahogany. LMAO. Yep, funny film. Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:49 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog > > I like your taste in films. The Anchorman was a funny film. > > Tom. > > BTW - very nice setup. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 22 17:36:59 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:36:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Wel, it's not a Nak 550... In-Reply-To: <43D3914E.5020706@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <001201c61f72$10ec6b20$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> There were two models - CD-330 and 320. The only difference between them, as I recall, was that the 320 has two heads and the 330, three. I have a virtually mint 320. These recorders were used by some UK radio journalists in the late 1970s. They can still do a handsome job on speech recording (more than acceptable with music, too) but compared with modern technology for radio journalists, esp. mini disc, they are just too bug and cumbersome and no one seems to care about the extra recording quality that they can produced (versus MD) anyway, not for speech. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes > Sent: 22 January 2006 14:06 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wel, it's not a Nak 550... > > > Are you sure it's not 3-heads? I have the CD-330 and it's 3 heads. The > only thing is that the rec/play ones are in the same block (But not 2 > heads). They are separated by some material making a line between both. > > John Berger a écrit : > > ...but I picked up a Superscope CD-320 portable cassette deck at a yard > > sale for ten cents. It needs a cleaning to remove a bunch of dust, and > > needs a new drive belt (which I quickly found, and it's already been > > shipped for $7.95). The old belt had turned to goo, so it'll need an > > internal cleaning before I put in the new belt. Other than > that, it's in > > excellent shape. Two heads, two mic inputs, a monitor speaker, > and fairly > > rugged construction. > > > > It's supposed to do 35-18k with CrO2, but only sports a 60 dB > s/n. Still, > > for the price, it was impossible to turn down. > From sybarito at hotmail.com Sun Jan 22 19:12:28 2006 From: sybarito at hotmail.com (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:12:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Blast from the Past (Nak Marathon Tapes Project) In-Reply-To: <000a01c61f2a$a0d79bd0$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: Great productions both Marathon Projects....No doubt about it!!! Isy >From: "KJ Bleus" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Blast from the Past (Nak Marathon Tapes Project) >Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:05:34 -0600 > >For the latest generation of NakTalkers, who likely have not seen the >playlist of the original Nak Marathon tapes project webpage. > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > >Those were the days, eh? > >Regards, > >Bleus de Nakker >Madison, Wisc USA >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Jan 22 20:08:59 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:08:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Wel, it's not a Nak 550... In-Reply-To: <001201c61f72$10ec6b20$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060122190859.60741.qmail@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought the difference was just that the 320 doesn't have Dolby. Compared to my BX-2 the transport seems better but the sound is clearly noisier. Nelson a écrit : There were two models - CD-330 and 320. The only difference between them, as I recall, was that the 320 has two heads and the 330, three. I have a virtually mint 320. These recorders were used by some UK radio journalists in the late 1970s. They can still do a handsome job on speech recording (more than acceptable with music, too) but compared with modern technology for radio journalists, esp. mini disc, they are just too bug and cumbersome and no one seems to care about the extra recording quality that they can produced (versus MD) anyway, not for speech. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes > Sent: 22 January 2006 14:06 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wel, it's not a Nak 550... > > > Are you sure it's not 3-heads? I have the CD-330 and it's 3 heads. The > only thing is that the rec/play ones are in the same block (But not 2 > heads). They are separated by some material making a line between both. > > John Berger a écrit : > > ...but I picked up a Superscope CD-320 portable cassette deck at a yard > > sale for ten cents. It needs a cleaning to remove a bunch of dust, and > > needs a new drive belt (which I quickly found, and it's already been > > shipped for $7.95). The old belt had turned to goo, so it'll need an > > internal cleaning before I put in the new belt. Other than > that, it's in > > excellent shape. Two heads, two mic inputs, a monitor speaker, > and fairly > > rugged construction. > > > > It's supposed to do 35-18k with CrO2, but only sports a 60 dB > s/n. Still, > > for the price, it was impossible to turn down. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 22 20:51:18 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:51:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Wel, it's not a Nak 550... In-Reply-To: <20060122190859.60741.qmail@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01c61f8d$3626cc80$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> SD-320 has Dolby B, too. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 22 January 2006 19:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE : RE: [naktalk] Wel, it's not a Nak 550... I thought the difference was just that the 320 doesn't have Dolby. Compared to my BX-2 the transport seems better but the sound is clearly noisier. Nelson a écrit : There were two models - CD-330 and 320. The only difference between them, as I recall, was that the 320 has two heads and the 330, three. I have a virtually mint 320. These recorders were used by some UK radio journalists in the late 1970s. They can still do a handsome job on speech recording (more than acceptable with music, too) but compared with modern technology for radio journalists, esp. mini disc, they are just too bug and cumbersome and no one seems to care about the extra recording quality that they can produced (versus MD) anyway, not for speech. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Jan 22 21:00:02 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:00:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Wel, it's not a Nak 550... In-Reply-To: <002f01c61f8d$3626cc80$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060122200002.23147.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh, just looked: http://inxs-inc.com/images/prod_images/7599/SUP_CD-320_F.jpg Yes, it seems like the 320 has 2 heads; there's no button to select to monitor either tape or source. Nelson a écrit : SD-320 has Dolby B, too. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 22 January 2006 19:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE : RE: [naktalk] Wel, it's not a Nak 550... I thought the difference was just that the 320 doesn't have Dolby. Compared to my BX-2 the transport seems better but the sound is clearly noisier. Nelson a écrit : There were two models - CD-330 and 320. The only difference between them, as I recall, was that the 320 has two heads and the 330, three. I have a virtually mint 320. These recorders were used by some UK radio journalists in the late 1970s. They can still do a handsome job on speech recording (more than acceptable with music, too) but compared with modern technology for radio journalists, esp. mini disc, they are just too bug and cumbersome and no one seems to care about the extra recording quality that they can produced (versus MD) anyway, not for speech. Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thole at wxs.nl Sun Jan 22 22:03:26 2006 From: thole at wxs.nl (Pieter Thole) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:03:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Belt replacement In-Reply-To: <20060122200002.23147.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ha, I went throuwgh some my mail from naktalk, but çould not find something about changing the belt of my ZX7. I don't have the Workshop Manual but as soon as I get the belt's ( I'm gonna try with Patty if she still exists) I will open my zx7 . Any hints? Regards, Pieter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Sun Jan 22 22:13:27 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:13:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Ist NAKTALK world convention...2006 or 7? In-Reply-To: <20060121020238.89622.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060121020238.89622.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would like to bring my brilliant friend: http://shockmount.com/ , he could do my legwork and I can show Kermit my new: http://levo.ch/ 2_Englisch/Produkt_E/combi_E.htm . Sounds like a great gig and I am totally up for it! Brien On Jan 20, my 2006, at 6:02 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Ok looks like Kermit is talking about a Naktalk version of the > McIntosh clinic. That would be really great. Along with some cool > Nak stuff with funds going back to Naktalk and to pay for the > hosting of the convention. > > And Kermit, if you are really holding that session on mic > placement, I am signing up right now! > > Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi All, > > Hey, I’m totally serious about this convention idea. Though I admit to > som eunlterir motives: > > Firstly, travel is difficult for me these days and it gives me achance > to meet some of my Nak-talk friends. All on the list are welcome, of > course, even “lurkers.” Secondly, it gives me the perfect excuse to > get > off my lazy duff and finish f! ixing the rest of my equipment. Even > the > BX-2 and 581. But probably not the Uher 1000 Report Pilot. Thirdly, > hopefully Bala will come with his magic touch and set my poor, sad, > long-neglected Dual turntables’ tonearms up correctly -- at long > last. I > think I’m gonna cry. > > Could be an interesting week. We could indeed have a “swap meet.” > Better yet, we could have a “shoot out” of different Nak decks. It > would > be the perfect opportunity to do a definitive comparison listening > test > of every model Nak deck, both with commercial recordings and with live > recordings via mic. This could be a landmark event in itself. I could > get some bands in and let everyone practice live recording with > Naks, o > rwith other recorders -- and beating digital gear in the process. I’d > have some birdfoot mic arrays and mic amps available for those without > mics. Bring any recording gear you have a question about. Possibly we > could have a service clinic of so! rts, demonstrating head cleaning > and > demagnetizing techniques, but mainly tweaking head azimuth, bias > and EQ, > but not doing an on-the-spot restoration or major repair. > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Anyway, I simply love the idea of the Nak-vention and Kermit's > notion of > > hosting the first one. I think we can even have Nak memorabilia for > > sale, decks exchanges and so on. > > > But a brew pub? I think Kermit has better idea on thaT? > > I do know the local watering holes and a few good local microbreweries > and wineries. Plus some quite good restaurants are nearby. Hey, Kansas > isn’t all tornadoes and wheat fields! > > > Or are we going > > to stay with him and have our rooms warmed by KT88 push pull amps? > > Well, the Green Room has a convert-a-bed, but I can rack mount the > rest > of you. There are some decent hotel accomodation locally, but don’t > expect the rooms to have their own butlers and gratuitous Rolls-Royce. > > Michael Moore wrote: > > Greetings from Atlanta, > > Atlanta is indeed a great and centrally (transportation wise) > located > > place with lots to do, and we of the Atlanta group would love to > see all > > you folks, but I must admit an invitation to see Kermit's setup > is very > > enticing. I, for one, would vote for Kansas just to see him and his > > great setup. > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > What a great offer and it would be fun to see "The Collection" :~) > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > Well, I think that is a definitely cool idea. I'd be happy to > host the > > 1st NAKtalk World Convention, if those who attend do not mind > having it > > at my gigantic 900-square-foot studio, decorated in stylish > > Neo-70s-retro-tape-deck chic, which is conveniently located a few > miles > > from the burgeoning microtropolis of Bonner Springs in the Late > Great > > Flat State of Kansas, USA. Bring your own tornado (cyclon! e) and > little > > dog named Toto, if you want one. > > > > No, seriously, Jerry, 'tis a great idea and I do mean it when I > invite > > the group to have the convention in my humble studio. I could put > on a > > workshop showing some recording technique anyone can use. > > > jerryjg wrote: > >> Here’s a proposal for all of us great Naktalkers to meet ... for > the 1st NAKtalk World convention. > > ... THis would probably be more of a "north > >> American" alliance, but might lead to a similar European NAktalk > >> convention, and ultimately to a NAKtalk "WORLD" meeting! I've heard > >> thos proposed before, so I'm just kind of "rekindling" the notion. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & > more on new and used cars. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbindel at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 22 21:18:24 2006 From: jbindel at austin.rr.com (John Bindel) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:18:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Need help replacing MR-1 Reel Motor Message-ID: <20060122201824.GA29384@austin.rr.com> I have an MR-1 that has been spontaneously stopping often. It has the gear upgrade, but I have noticed that the reel motor sometimes does not spin even when the play or FF/RW voltages are applied to it (testing using a volt meter while looking at the gears). I need some help removing the motor so that I can order and install a replacement. Is there a resource the explains how to replace the reel motor on an MR-1? Cheers, John Bindel From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 23:11:03 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:11:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Belt replacement Message-ID: <20060122221103.60998.qmail@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Patty is no longer at Nak parts. I forget the name of the new person. I kind of doubt that they even have the belt. You might need to got to ESL or B&W for it. Cant remember if that belt needs to be spot on or now. Check my web page under belts going going gone. --- naktalk-bounces at naks.com wrote: > Ha, > > I went throuwgh some my mail from naktalk, but çould not find something > about changing the belt of my ZX7. I don't have the Workshop Manual but as > soon as I get the belt's ( I'm gonna try with Patty if she still exists) I > will open my zx7 . Any hints? > > Regards, > Pieter > ------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ady at spamcop.net Sun Jan 22 23:18:25 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:18:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Belt replacement In-Reply-To: <20060122221103.60998.qmail@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060122221103.60998.qmail@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: on the B&W spares situation in the UK.. i emailed them about a cam mode belt for my 680.. they gave me a price but said they "..don't usually sell to end users.."... which I took to meaning, you have to get it serviced by us or nothing.. Although they have a good rep. here in the UK I much prefer a DIY ethos and group learning from this forum, so I ordered a belt from ESL and fitted it myself and it's still in bits while I find the time to get the old grease out of the stuck pinch wheel pivot! adrian On 22 Jan 2006, at 22:11, Scott Johnson wrote: > Patty is no longer at Nak parts. I forget the name of the new person. > I kind of doubt that they even have the belt. You might need to got > to ESL or B&W for it. Cant remember if that belt needs to be spot on > or now. Check my web page under belts going going gone. > --- naktalk-bounces at naks.com wrote: >> Ha, >> >> I went throuwgh some my mail from naktalk, but çould not find > something >> about changing the belt of my ZX7. I don't have the Workshop Manual > but as >> soon as I get the belt's ( I'm gonna try with Patty if she still > exists) I >> will open my zx7 . Any hints? >> >> Regards, >> Pieter >> ------------ >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 23:42:12 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:42:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Belt replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060122224212.56159.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You couldn't find a generic replacement for the control motor belt? I think the belt for the 680 is the same as the 660ZX which is a 0C08099. That belt crosses over to a PRB SCQ4.8 The capstan belt, 0C08096 is a totally different story. It needs to be spot on and no one makes a compatible belt. BTW I checked my web site and the ZX-7 does use this critical 0C08096 belt as do most, if not all, Classic mechanism double capstan decks. If B&W won't sell to you I am pretty sure ESL will, but, it will be something like $40-60. SJ --- Adrian Finn wrote: > on the B&W spares situation in the UK.. > > i emailed them about a cam mode belt for my 680.. they gave me a > price but said they "..don't usually sell to end users.."... which > I > took to meaning, you have to get it serviced by us or nothing.. > Although they have a good rep. here in the UK I much prefer a DIY > ethos and group learning from this forum, so I ordered a belt from > > ESL and fitted it myself and it's still in bits while I find the > time > to get the old grease out of the stuck pinch wheel pivot! > > > adrian > > On 22 Jan 2006, at 22:11, Scott Johnson wrote: > > > Patty is no longer at Nak parts. I forget the name of the new > person. > > I kind of doubt that they even have the belt. You might need to > got > > to ESL or B&W for it. Cant remember if that belt needs to be spot > on > > or now. Check my web page under belts going going gone. > > --- naktalk-bounces at naks.com wrote: > >> Ha, > >> > >> I went throuwgh some my mail from naktalk, but çould not find > > something > >> about changing the belt of my ZX7. I don't have the Workshop > Manual > > but as > >> soon as I get the belt's ( I'm gonna try with Patty if she still > > exists) I > >> will open my zx7 . Any hints? > >> > >> Regards, > >> Pieter > >> ------------ > >> > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Jan 23 12:15:14 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:15:14 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] MEK,IPA, Acetone, et al. Last word Message-ID: <005801c6200e$48c8fbc0$0201a8c0@lan> Gee you guys are prolific, 20+ Naktalks to enjoy!! Back from China in one piece, despite the best efforts of Xiamen airlines!!!. Not that I saw much of Southern China either, wreathed in fog, just like Hong Kong harbour, or a London pea-souper of yore! Doane, To answer your question in Vol35 issue 62, yes, you are correct in that Acetone is OK for nylon but will still damage styrene type plastics. For myself, I find acetone evaporates too fast to be of much use for anything other than a final clean before relubing and reassembly. I now prefer the CRC 5.56 or WD40 as was suggested to me earlier by several of the Nak 'experten' when dealing with this type of problem on my 481 and 582. Baked and dried grease is a problem no matter what you use! One thing to be wary of.. acetone cleaning will usually lead to a nice dry surface, so if you 'test fit' metal to metal components as I did once in a Mini gearbox, you can get a 'dry nip' together of the components which are then a devil to get apart again!. Now I lightly lube before checking fit, and reclean again if necessary. Dear Alex, Back to Vol35/63.. you stated: Sorry, your explanation is lovely for scientific proposes/projects...however, we want to know if Alcohol is good or not...how dense is NOT relevant...I think...?. That reference to the density of IPA was in relation to a comment earlier in this thread, connect the two and it makes sense. As for whether Alcohol is good or not, I have been using IPA for 20+ years on my 20+ active machines, and haven't damaged any heads, capstans or pinch rollers yet. The two EMI recording engineer's I was was lucky enough to be aquainted with in my formative years in the late 70's/early 80's both used IPA on their Naks .. a 600 and 1000 respectively, and in the studio. This doesn't mean that IPA is the best cleaning fluid, but it is effective, easily obtainable to non professional operators like me, and non damaging to virtually all plastics, as I have said earlier. I also gather from other's comments on this forum, that the majority of members also use IPA.. All of my Nak owners' manuals say use alcohol, though not specific to which type, as I am sure you will find in your Dragon manual, and if it is good enough for Nakamichi.... If you have a prefered method, stick with it.. the main aim is effective cleaning and enjoying your nak! 'Q tips' is just the Unilever brand name for swabs on a stick! "Cotton buds" is somebody else's trade name, the important thing is to find a brand that doesn't go 'hairy' on you!. I never use mine dry, always moistened with IPA to avoid damaging the pinch roller rubber. Other stuff: Rubber renue.. best avoided if possible, though Kermit has found one he is happy with. Generally they are formulated with slow solvents and plasticisers to reactivate old hardened rubber, and I wouldn't want that 'stuff' on the surface of my precious tapes. They can make the rubber surface 'sticky' if over used. On IKEA and Chinese factories!!. A bit of a digression, but I didn't start it :o), and will give you an idea of scale in this economic giant!!. During my previous visit to China I had to run a training course at a furniture factory in Tenjin city. No big deal I thought, but then I am used to the NZ scale of things. This factory made product entirely for export to the USA.... it comprised 8 plants and was expanding at that time, building another two!. Each single plant was was larger than my largest NZ customer by a margin. The entire factory is a mini city in it's own right with about 5000 employees !?!. and our Chinese operation has two Tech Service chemists permanently based on site!. The section I was involved with, half of one of these plants, used more "furniture related " adhesive in one month ( about 45 tonnes) than we manufacture for the entire NZ furniture market in one year!.. This was but one manufacturer, so no wonder us Kiwi's don't have a dogs show!. Another disappointment was that I couldn't find anyone stocking blank tapes either!.. any amount of iPod's. MP3's etc.... Cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 23 12:53:28 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:53:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MEK,IPA, Acetone, et al. Last word Message-ID: Dear Martin! Thanks so much for your reply, I will continuing using the purest alcohol that I can obtain, for Lab use if possible, I think that I will"Pass Away"..., before any of the two Pinch rollers on my lovely Dragon. will be damaged! Be well Martin, & continue eating Chinese food...I really love it!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Martin Short" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] MEK,IPA, Acetone, et al. Last word >Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:15:14 +1300 > >Gee you guys are prolific, 20+ Naktalks to enjoy!! > >Back from China in one piece, despite the best efforts of Xiamen >airlines!!!. Not that I saw much of Southern China either, wreathed in >fog, just like Hong Kong harbour, or a London pea-souper of yore! > >Doane, > >To answer your question in Vol35 issue 62, yes, you are correct in that >Acetone is OK for nylon but will still damage styrene type plastics. For >myself, I find acetone evaporates too fast to be of much use for anything >other than a final clean before relubing and reassembly. I now prefer the >CRC 5.56 or WD40 as was suggested to me earlier by several of the Nak >'experten' when dealing with this type of problem on my 481 and 582. Baked >and dried grease is a problem no matter what you use! >One thing to be wary of.. acetone cleaning will usually lead to a nice dry >surface, so if you 'test fit' metal to metal components as I did once in a >Mini gearbox, you can get a 'dry nip' together of the components which are >then a devil to get apart again!. Now I lightly lube before checking fit, >and reclean again if necessary. > >Dear Alex, > >Back to Vol35/63.. you stated: > >Sorry, your explanation is lovely for scientific >proposes/projects...however, we want to know if Alcohol is good or >not...how >dense is NOT relevant...I think...?. > >That reference to the density of IPA was in relation to a comment earlier >in this thread, connect the two and it makes sense. As for whether Alcohol >is good or not, I have been using IPA for 20+ years on my 20+ active >machines, and haven't damaged any heads, capstans or pinch rollers yet. The >two EMI recording engineer's I was was lucky enough to be aquainted with in >my formative years in the late 70's/early 80's both used IPA on their Naks >.. a 600 and 1000 respectively, and in the studio. This doesn't mean that >IPA is the best cleaning fluid, but it is effective, easily obtainable to >non professional operators like me, and non damaging to virtually all >plastics, as I have said earlier. >I also gather from other's comments on this forum, that the majority of >members also use IPA.. All of my Nak owners' manuals say use alcohol, >though not specific to which type, as I am sure you will find in your >Dragon manual, and if it is good enough for Nakamichi.... >If you have a prefered method, stick with it.. the main aim is effective >cleaning and enjoying your nak! > >'Q tips' is just the Unilever brand name for swabs on a stick! "Cotton >buds" is somebody else's trade name, the important thing is to find a brand >that doesn't go 'hairy' on you!. I never use mine dry, always moistened >with IPA to avoid damaging the pinch roller rubber. > >Other stuff: > >Rubber renue.. best avoided if possible, though Kermit has found one he is >happy with. Generally they are formulated with slow solvents and >plasticisers to reactivate old hardened rubber, and I wouldn't want that >'stuff' on the surface of my precious tapes. They can make the rubber >surface 'sticky' if over used. > >On IKEA and Chinese factories!!. A bit of a digression, but I didn't start >it :o), and will give you an idea of scale in this economic giant!!. >During my previous visit to China I had to run a training course at a >furniture factory in Tenjin city. No big deal I thought, but then I am used >to the NZ scale of things. This factory made product entirely for export >to the USA.... it comprised 8 plants and was expanding at that time, >building another two!. Each single plant was was larger than my largest NZ >customer by a margin. The entire factory is a mini city in it's own right >with about 5000 employees !?!. and our Chinese operation has two Tech >Service chemists permanently based on site!. The section I was involved >with, half of one of these plants, used more "furniture related " adhesive >in one month ( about 45 tonnes) than we manufacture for the entire NZ >furniture market in one year!.. This was but one manufacturer, so no wonder >us Kiwi's don't have a dogs show!. > >Another disappointment was that I couldn't find anyone stocking blank >tapes either!.. any amount of iPod's. MP3's etc.... > >Cheers, > >Martin > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjkent at comcast.net Mon Jan 23 15:42:01 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:42:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement Belts Message-ID: <002301c6202b$2e1071b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> >Pieter wrote: >Patty is no longer at Nak parts. I forget the name of the new person. >I kind of doubt that they even have the belt. You might need to got >to ESL or B&W for it. Cant remember if that belt needs to be spot on >or now. Check my web page under belts going going gone. Yes, Patty left a long time ago. Melissa was the last one that I contacted for some belts a little over a year and a half ago. It would still be worth a try, as their price for belts was quite a bit lower depending on the belt. You should email her with the part number if you have it......will speed things up. Try: melissa at nakusa.com Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Jan 23 16:17:39 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:17:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MEK,IPA, Acetone, et al. Last word In-Reply-To: <005801c6200e$48c8fbc0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: OK, Martin, thanks for the good info. There never seems to be an easy way around things, like the pinch roller grease problem, but sometimes these things work. On my ZX7 the alcohol worked to clean it with out having to dissemble it, guess I was lucky. Nice to have a chemist here... one final question, what about Methanol alcohol, what used to be called "wood alcohol?" it's very poisonous, but is stronger then other rubbing alcohols with out added ingredients and is sold with less then 1% water or even in a pure grade. Incidentally, no one has mentioned that very pure alcohol of any type will absorb water from the air if not kept tightly covered, so it really shouldn't be kept very long if used all the time. Doane ----------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Martin Short Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MEK,IPA, Acetone, et al. Last word Gee you guys are prolific, 20+ Naktalks to enjoy!! Back from China in one piece, despite the best efforts of Xiamen airlines!!!. Not that I saw much of Southern China either, wreathed in fog, just like Hong Kong harbour, or a London pea-souper of yore! Doane, To answer your question in Vol35 issue 62, yes, you are correct in that Acetone is OK for nylon but will still damage styrene type plastics. For myself, I find acetone evaporates too fast to be of much use for anything other than a final clean before relubing and reassembly. I now prefer the CRC 5.56 or WD40 as was suggested to me earlier by several of the Nak 'experten' when dealing with this type of problem on my 481 and 582. Baked and dried grease is a problem no matter what you use! One thing to be wary of.. acetone cleaning will usually lead to a nice dry surface, so if you 'test fit' metal to metal components as I did once in a Mini gearbox, you can get a 'dry nip' together of the components which are then a devil to get apart again!. Now I lightly lube before checking fit, and reclean again if necessary. Dear Alex, Back to Vol35/63.. you stated: Sorry, your explanation is lovely for scientific proposes/projects...however, we want to know if Alcohol is good or not...how dense is NOT relevant...I think...?. That reference to the density of IPA was in relation to a comment earlier in this thread, connect the two and it makes sense. As for whether Alcohol is good or not, I have been using IPA for 20+ years on my 20+ active machines, and haven't damaged any heads, capstans or pinch rollers yet. The two EMI recording engineer's I was was lucky enough to be aquainted with in my formative years in the late 70's/early 80's both used IPA on their Naks .. a 600 and 1000 respectively, and in the studio. This doesn't mean that IPA is the best cleaning fluid, but it is effective, easily obtainable to non professional operators like me, and non damaging to virtually all plastics, as I have said earlier. I also gather from other's comments on this forum, that the majority of members also use IPA.. All of my Nak owners' manuals say use alcohol, though not specific to which type, as I am sure you will find in your Dragon manual, and if it is good enough for Nakamichi.... If you have a prefered method, stick with it.. the main aim is effective cleaning and enjoying your nak! 'Q tips' is just the Unilever brand name for swabs on a stick! "Cotton buds" is somebody else's trade name, the important thing is to find a brand that doesn't go 'hairy' on you!. I never use mine dry, always moistened with IPA to avoid damaging the pinch roller rubber. Other stuff: Rubber renue.. best avoided if possible, though Kermit has found one he is happy with. Generally they are formulated with slow solvents and plasticisers to reactivate old hardened rubber, and I wouldn't want that 'stuff' on the surface of my precious tapes. They can make the rubber surface 'sticky' if over used. On IKEA and Chinese factories!!. A bit of a digression, but I didn't start it :o), and will give you an idea of scale in this economic giant!!. During my previous visit to China I had to run a training course at a furniture factory in Tenjin city. No big deal I thought, but then I am used to the NZ scale of things. This factory made product entirely for export to the USA.... it comprised 8 plants and was expanding at that time, building another two!. Each single plant was was larger than my largest NZ customer by a margin. The entire factory is a mini city in it's own right with about 5000 employees !?!. and our Chinese operation has two Tech Service chemists permanently based on site!. The section I was involved with, half of one of these plants, used more "furniture related " adhesive in one month ( about 45 tonnes) than we manufacture for the entire NZ furniture market in one year!.. This was but one manufacturer, so no wonder us Kiwi's don't have a dogs show!. Another disappointment was that I couldn't find anyone stocking blank tapes either!.. any amount of iPod's. MP3's etc.... Cheers, Martin From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Mon Jan 23 18:34:25 2006 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:34:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited References: <43C184E2.3090808@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: You may have seen it, but nowadays I receive no Naktalk mails. Look at this... http://cgi.ebay.de/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Limited-absolutelly-collectors-rarity_W0QQitemZ5854600402QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem A ZXL Limited for a fortune... and minimum price still not reached! Kind regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Digression to record decks continues and Marcs biasedadvice and sleeping with your beloved Nak! > Hey there, fellow Nakaphile > > earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: >> ... I maybe the saddest of nak geeks or th[e] most fortunate. ... On >> going to bed I confess I tucked the >> Nak under my arm and went to bed with it playing away ....... I have been >> sleeping with a Nak ....... how about that?! Do I get a medal or a sad >> bastard award as we oftimes say in Anglo Saxon. my wife is better now. > > > Nah, man, this is just passion for great sound being exercised. You're not > alone. I've sometimes fallen asleep with the gentle strains of Vivaldi > woodwind concertos or Beethoven's 6th Symphony emanating from my AKG K240 > headphones connected to one of my Nak 550. When I was recovering from > neurosurgery in 2002, the 550 was my constant bedside companion for > months. > > Good to hear your wife is feeling better. > > >> No one answered my earlier query which is interesting me ........ these >> old tapes of mine that have so much info on them, many recrded on my old >> full size Sony Portable < luggable would be more honest> TC152 ( I think) >> bought in 1975 ..... why on earth could the info be put on the tapes >> initially but never got off on playback until put on the Nak? Is it >> perhaps due to the record head set up and circuitry being better than the >> playback side? > > This is simple: Nakamichi recorders excel at reproducing tapes made on > other recorders. Some models of Nakamichi adjust their head azimuth > automatically, ensuring flawless reproduction of any cassette made on any > brand recorder. This is why Nakamichi cassette decks are favored by many > sound archivists; the Dragon especially so. > > The reason the info could be put on the tapes initially, but never gotten > off on playback until played on your Nakamichi speaks volumes about the > reproduce quality of the other (non-Nak) recorder. It's simply inferior. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From flifton at mac.com Mon Jan 23 20:06:53 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:06:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: webcasting In-Reply-To: <200601220804.k0M84oFf014990@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601220804.k0M84oFf014990@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Kermit, Unfortunately, since there is only dial-up at your location, a live webcast is out of the question. However, we could certainly shoot video and make it available for download at a later date. That way I can make us all look pretty too! Fred On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:04 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Hi Bala, > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Ok looks like Kermit is talking about a Naktalk version of the > McIntosh > > clinic. That would be really great. Along with some cool Nak > stuff with > > funds going back to Naktalk and to pay for the hosting of the > convention. > > Good recap of the concept. > > > And Kermit, if you are really holding that session on mic > placement, I > > am signing up right now! > > I'm planning sessions -- plural -- on mic placement, including an > A/B comparison of the 3-mic Nak Live Recording method and my > birdfoot array, achieved by using both on the same band at the same > time and making simultaneous recordings on my two 550s. Then > playing the two tapes back in loose sync and switching between the > two to hear the differences. > > Don't know if I'll make this work, but I'd like to having streaming > webcasts of the Convention's major events, like the mic placement > sessions, for those who cannot attend in person. Hey Fred! Any > ideas on this? > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Mon Jan 23 20:10:26 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:10:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remotes In-Reply-To: <200601220804.k0M84oFf014990@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601220804.k0M84oFf014990@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <584EF260-6B73-4BA0-88BB-E83B6E71E9A3@mac.com> Thanks to all who have responded to my original query about remotes! I'm looking forward to trying my hand at a DIY project and will echo the offer to help out with BOMs, etc. It would be great if we could come up with something nice and cheap. My .02 cents: I don't have much use for a power switch. My Nak gets turned off when I leave the room and I have to stand up to do that! best, Fred From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Mon Jan 23 20:14:03 2006 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:14:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TA-1A High Definition Receiver Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3969E2D@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Anyone in the group have an opinion on the quality of this piece of Nak electronics? Obviously, I am asking generally only and the condition of any specific example might vary. I have a shot at buying one used for not much money. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Jan 23 20:45:34 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:45:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TA-1A High Definition Receiver References: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3969E2D@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Message-ID: <006901c62055$94f522c0$d9d017c4@home> Nakamichi TA-1A High Definition ReceiverNot bad,but real entry level! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TA-1A High Definition Receiver Anyone in the group have an opinion on the quality of this piece of Nak electronics? Obviously, I am asking generally only and the condition of any specific example might vary. I have a shot at buying one used for not much money. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Jan 23 20:54:01 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:54:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TA-1A High Definition Receiver In-Reply-To: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3969E2D@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> References: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3969E2D@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060123143056.01e4a7e8@psulias.psu.edu> I have a TA-2A and a TA-4A. The amplifiers are very strong and quiet. Phono stage seems solid and quiet. Tuner is also very good. Don't remember the specifics of the TA-1A, but probably doesn't have many inputs (probably tape, CD, Video, Phono MM only). The higher models have variable loudness (really useful feature IMO), tone defeat, system remote inputs (great for us tapers). If you have a highly efficient set of speakers, or are using this for a secondary or bookshelf type system a TA-1 should do great. I think you can use it as an amp only too. At 02:14 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote: >Content-type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="Boundary_(ID_1L168Rs3qoax2Itte6F8PQ)" >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message > >Anyone in the group have an opinion on the quality of this piece of Nak >electronics? Obviously, I am asking generally only and the condition of >any specific example might vary. I have a shot at buying one used for not >much money. > >Thanks. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 21:25:06 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:25:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TA-1A High Definition Receiver In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060123143056.01e4a7e8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20060123202506.88589.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> TA 2A, 3A and 4 A all based on Threshold' Statsis topology like SR2,3 and 4 but not TA 1A. As Stephen recommended - SR series were built better ( in Japan too) and have wonderful toroidal transformers unlike TA series. TA 2A to 4A and SR series both are great amplifiers and worth the money you spend today ( They were costing 1000' about 15 -20 years back!) I would not recommend TA 1A as you would get TA 2A for less than 100- 120$ ( ebay) kannan Derrick Beckner wrote: I have a TA-2A and a TA-4A. The amplifiers are very strong and quiet. Phono stage seems solid and quiet. Tuner is also very good. Don't remember the specifics of the TA-1A, but probably doesn't have many inputs (probably tape, CD, Video, Phono MM only). The higher models have variable loudness (really useful feature IMO), tone defeat, system remote inputs (great for us tapers). If you have a highly efficient set of speakers, or are using this for a secondary or bookshelf type system a TA-1 should do great. I think you can use it as an amp only too. At 02:14 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote: Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1L168Rs3qoax2Itte6F8PQ)" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Anyone in the group have an opinion on the quality of this piece of Nak electronics? Obviously, I am asking generally only and the condition of any specific example might vary. I have a shot at buying one used for not much money. Thanks. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Jan 23 21:29:51 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:29:51 -0500 Subject: [SPAM *16.500] Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi TA-1A High Definition Receiver In-Reply-To: <20060123202506.88589.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060123143056.01e4a7e8@psulias.psu.edu> <20060123202506.88589.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060123152912.01e019d8@psulias.psu.edu> Didn't realize the TA1 didn't have the STASIS amp. That would make a big difference. At 03:25 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote: >TA 2A, 3A and 4 A all based on Threshold' Statsis topology like SR2,3 and >4 but not TA 1A. As Stephen recommended - SR series were built better ( in >Japan too) and have wonderful toroidal transformers unlike TA series. TA >2A to 4A and SR series both are great amplifiers and worth the money you >spend today ( They were costing 1000' about 15 -20 years back!) >I would not recommend TA 1A as you would get TA 2A for less than 100- 120$ >( ebay) >kannan >Derrick Beckner wrote: >I have a TA-2A and a TA-4A. The amplifiers are very strong and >quiet. Phono stage seems solid and quiet. Tuner is also very good. > >Don't remember the specifics of the TA-1A, but probably doesn't have many >inputs (probably tape, CD, Video, Phono MM only). The higher models have >variable loudness (really ! useful feature IMO), tone defeat, system >remote inputs (great for us tapers). > >If you have a highly efficient set of speakers, or are using this for a >secondary or bookshelf type system a TA-1 should do great. I think you >can use it as an amp only too. > >At 02:14 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote: >>Content-type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="Boundary_(ID_1L168Rs3qoax2Itte6F8PQ)" >>Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >> >>Anyone in the group have an opinion on the quality of this piece of Nak >>electronics? Obviously, I am asking generally only and the condition of >>any specific example might vary. I have a shot at buying one used for >>not much money. >> >>Thanks. >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register you! r Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Registe! r your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover >Photo >Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Jan 24 00:38:51 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:38:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Silicon and Naks-The miracle cure for sluggish transports?? Message-ID: Hi, I recieved my new RX-303 today and it sounds wonderful. The auto reverse mechanism was sticking however(not the actual spinning cassette holder, but the entire loading drawer). Well, I squirted some Prestone Silicone I bought at Auto-Zone for 1.99 i think, into the mechanism and worked it a few times and Problem was solved! I fixed my other Rx-303 that I bought a couple of weeks ago the same way.On the other 303,the actual spinning casette holder mechanism wouldnt fully reverse and I squirted the prestone Silicone and worked the mechanism and the PRoblem was cured!!. The only thing im worried about is the gunk inside the mechanism and the silicone eventually GUMMING UP the mechanism? Well, I guess it would be time to squirt more Prestone into it at that time. It didnt seem to hurt any of the plastic and dried off the metal right away. By the way, I sure wish you could buy those little plastic staw deals that come taped onto the cans to direct the sparay, cause I can never seem to find them after i remove them off the can. Do not try to stick them back into the tape. -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Jan 24 02:38:30 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:38:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk "Service" manuals and "Owners "manuals. Message-ID: HI--i just recieved an "Service" Manual for my new Nak RX-303 which came with the deck.It has a lot more information than the Owners manual.I didnt know about the difference.Thank goodness I now have both "owners" and "service" manuals.One thing though. The service manual is for my Nak 'RX-303' and also the "RX-303 "E"? Is this a Voltage different European model, -the RX 303 "E"? The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From tomas at tlec.se Tue Jan 24 03:12:15 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:12:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk "Service" manuals and "Owners "manuals. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Would you mind scanning them, and send them to me, so I can publish them? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jerryjg > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:39 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk "Service" manuals and "Owners "manuals. > > > HI--i just recieved an "Service" Manual for my new Nak RX-303 > which came > with the deck.It has a lot more information than the Owners > manual.I didnt > know about the difference.Thank goodness I now have both > "owners" and > "service" manuals.One thing though. The service manual is for my Nak > 'RX-303' and also the "RX-303 "E"? Is this a Voltage > different European > model, -the RX 303 "E"? > The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > > Dear Mr Boeing, > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is > pretty as > well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > Yours sincerely, > Pan Am > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 24 03:56:21 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:56:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: webcasting In-Reply-To: References: <200601220804.k0M84oFf014990@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <43D59755.9010202@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fred, Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi Kermit, > Unfortunately, since there is only dial-up at your location, a live > webcast is out of the question. My area can now get high-speed, so that will be available for a live webcast. I have a decent 8-foot mic boom for the follow mic (and a great AKG D900 for the follow) but the boom needs a new operator monitor and I really need to put a better hoist mechanism on it. For the lighting, I still have an old Lowell X-less softbox for overhead key and pair of cheapie clones of the Starfish for fill. Somebody stole my barndoors and my kicker's snoot, but I'm sure I can beg or borrow those easy enough. Still have my long scoop but I can't find the lamp for it! I sold off my super trooper, fader/chaser controller and my kliegs years ago but I have my eye on some decent ENG-style quartz scoops, which would be more convenient anyway. Still have my 3400Ks, but they're cheapie Smith Victors and the conference deserves better. Have to get a decent cyclorama installed but that won't be too much trouble if I can get a good price on hospital track. We can make scrims and clouds easy enough with scrap and I can get some decent reflectors to help with fill. Do you know the modulation limits for webcast audio? I do have a fairly decent AGC (Symetrix 422) that can window the gain into quite narrow windows, if needs be, and ride peaks like a brick wall. I think I can find the use of a pair of CBS Audimaxes with FM preemphasis, or I can build something as long as the mod limit for webcasts can allow 100 mS attacks and 63% recovery over 500 mS. (In other words, I'd cheat and make quick clone of a Gates STA Level.) For the webcast on-air console, maybe we can use my Nakamichi 610 -- it resembles a speech input console. Otherwise I have the Shure M688 and a pair of matching prog eqs that I've used for FM remotes, and I think I can find the use of a Gates Stereo Statesman. Or I could build a console if I have time. My old console design I built in the 1970s was basically a hotrodded Westrex. > However, we could certainly shoot video > and make it available for download at a later date. That way I can make > us all look pretty too! Just don't rent your Panaflex or Arriflex camera from anyone other than Otto Nemenz. My account with them has lapsed, but as the date moves nearer, I'll get in touch with some of my "B-roll buddies" and see if we can swing a deal on a two-camera shoot with a truck and a Steadicam. I think my account with Metrocolor is still active, though. I'd rather not have to deal with dailies because my Dukane is on the blink and I can't find parts for it - and I'm too cheap to spring for a full movieola. I'll have to get my Uher 1000 Report Pilot overhauled, otherwise we'll need to rent a Nagra III, IV, or D. Unless Otto Nemenz still has some cameras with magstripe. NO WAY I'm using another Nagra. I really despised the sound of my old Nagra III. Once was enough! But this conference idea is so cool I'm willing to spend for the Uher's overhaul. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 24 04:00:59 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:00:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Ist NAKTALK world convention...2006 or 7? In-Reply-To: References: <20060121020238.89622.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43D5986B.5000104@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Brien, Brien Stocker wrote: > I would like to bring my brilliant friend: http://shockmount.com/ , he > could do my legwork and I can show Kermit my > new: http://levo.ch/2_Englisch/Produkt_E/combi_E.htm . Sounds like a > great gig and I am totally up for it! Look forward to seein gyou and meeting your friend. Gotta get his shockmount! Looks great! Beats the Sabra I now have. Also would be insterested in seeing that Levo. Hopefully I can mount a Nak 550 on it. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 04:01:31 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:01:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Silicon and Naks-The miracle cure for sluggish transports?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060124030131.83384.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry, Recently I posted about Cramolin's Silicone spray. I am not sure if Prestone is the same type, but from what you say it seems to be. However, SJ had also put in a word that one lubricant doesn;t work for all situations. The Cramolin spray works for situations like the one you were in. However, for a more thorough, permenant and correct fix to the problem, one would be required to gain access to the full transport, and use the various types of lubricants needed. They differ according to the two materials meeting (eg metal to metal, metal to plastic..) Regards Bala 79 Labs jerryjg wrote: Hi, I recieved my new RX-303 today and it sounds wonderful. The auto reverse mechanism was sticking however(not the actual spinning cassette holder, but the entire loading drawer). Well, I squirted some Prestone Silicone I bought at Auto-Zone for 1.99 i think, into the mechanism and worked it a few times and Problem was solved! I fixed my other Rx-303 that I bought a couple of weeks ago the same way.On the other 303,the actual spinning casette holder mechanism wouldnt fully reverse and I squirted the prestone Silicone and worked the mechanism and the PRoblem was cured!!. The only thing im worried about is the gunk inside the mechanism and the silicone eventually GUMMING UP the mechanism? Well, I guess it would be time to squirt more Prestone into it at that time. It didnt seem to hurt any of the plastic and dried off the metal right away. By the way, I sure wish you could buy those little plastic staw deals that come taped onto the cans to direct the sparay, cause I can never seem to find them after i remove them off the can. Do not try to stick them back into the tape. -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? 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Gray) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:14:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: webcasting In-Reply-To: References: <200601220804.k0M84oFf014990@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <43D59B82.7020104@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Fred, Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi Kermit, > Unfortunately, since there is only dial-up at your location, a live > webcast is out of the question. However, we could certainly shoot video > and make it available for download at a later date. That way I can make > us all look pretty too! Oh, I just remembered, we'll need somebody to volunteer for clapper loader. My focus puller got married and moved off to Maine of all places, (What, flat Kansas prairie ain't good enough for her?) and over the years my grips, best boy, chroma-key tech and gaffers have all gone off to other companies, so I'll have to hire off the union floor for the week. But the project is straightforward and we don't have any complicated shots, mattes, chroma-key or match action for the project. I think we can run the show like an ENG gig. Which is good because I don't have even a second unit these days. We'll make do, and have a lot of fun with it. Always remember what D.W. Griffith said: have fun, but be a professional! And I think we'll use my Nak 610 for on air console. that fits with the these best. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Jan 24 04:40:19 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:40:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Message-ID: <004001c62097$e6f36860$bdd117c4@home> For those interested :the above item now appears TEN times on eBay Worldwide search! 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URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Jan 24 04:46:24 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:46:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] More Nina Simone Message-ID: I was looking through the 500+ listings for tweeters( I need an ev T35) and I came across this Nina Simone LP apparently crosslisted or misplaced in category.Itv doesnt have "dont let me be misundastood" though. http://cgi.ebay.com/NINA-SIMONE-Finished-74-LP-Mosquitos-Tweeter-Deep-Funk_W0QQitemZ4824653064QQcategoryZ306QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 24 06:10:37 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:10:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk "Service" manuals and "Owners "manuals. Message-ID: Hi Jerry! Yes once 5 years ago I get the same "Prestone" Yellow can with Silicon...works as a miracle! I also spray to the "Teflon" gears in my Dragon, BUT...others Nak's expertise's wrote me NOT...NOT to do it so! Till today, I spray only twice since I received the deck, NO problems at all. Concerning the "E"...yes indicates that is for "Europe" market...220/240 volts "Fix"...from the factory, no "Multi-Voltage" units. Enjoy your unit! ALEX! >From: jerryjg >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk "Service" manuals and "Owners "manuals. >Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:38:30 -0600 > >HI--i just recieved an "Service" Manual for my new Nak RX-303 which came >with the deck.It has a lot more information than the Owners manual.I didnt >know about the difference.Thank goodness I now have both "owners" and >"service" manuals.One thing though. The service manual is for my Nak >'RX-303' and also the "RX-303 "E"? Is this a Voltage different European >model, -the RX 303 "E"? >The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > >Dear Mr Boeing, > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as >well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > Yours sincerely, > Pan Am >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ady at spamcop.net Tue Jan 24 08:12:17 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:12:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack In-Reply-To: <20060124030637.3D9E125C4D@smtp.amb.org> References: <20060124030637.3D9E125C4D@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <2EAE227D-6926-4C52-9574-EFA6429C127E@spamcop.net> does anyone know if where Caig products can be bought in the UK? I've only seen DeOxit on some UK HiFi sites at silly prices.. adrian On 24 Jan 2006, at 03:06, Ti Kan wrote: > Hi Nakfans, > > I was at my local Radio Shack store this afternoon and was pleasantly > surprised that they now stock some Caig labs products. So, if you > are in the US and want the convenience of buying this stuff in a > store, > check your neighborhood Radio Shack. No affiliations, just fyi. > > -Ti > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Tue Jan 24 08:43:16 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:43:16 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] RE: MEK,IPA, Acetone, et al. Last word Message-ID: <007601c620b9$d701dd20$0201a8c0@lan> Hi Doane, ... one final question, what about Methanol alcohol, what used to be called "wood alcohol?" it's very poisonous, but is stronger then other rubbing alcohols with out added ingredients and is sold with less then 1% water or even in a pure grade. Incidentally, no one has mentioned that very pure alcohol of any type will absorb water from the air if not kept tightly covered, so it really shouldn't be kept very long if used all the time. Best to avoid Methanol/methyl alcohol/wood alcohol. For our purposes as a tape deck cleaner, there is no benefit over Ethanol or IPA. Methanol is a suspected organ toxicant, and poisonous as you say. The vapours are harmful, can be absorbed through the skin etc. It is the not the methanol itself that is the direct poison, but rather what the body does with it that causes the problems. Methanol is metabolised by the human body to formaldehyde and formic acid, ('nuff said?), and these two are the chemicals which lead to blindness and death. It will damage a painted finish, and it is volatile ( very low flash point) and burns with a clear flame, ask any CART team that has had a pit lane fire!. I take you will give it a wide berth now? Rubbing alcohol is ethanol based, and contains all sorts of 'human friendly' oils etc, as Kermit has explained previously. Meths/methylated spirits is similarly ethanol based, and denatured to render undrinkable by adding methanol and a dye. I have used undyed 'meths' when I haven't had any IPA available without any drama's. You are spot on with the water absorption of pure alcohols.. should have remembered that mysel :o(. Every time you open your bottle, it will let in a little atmospheric moisture, (unless you tap off and use a dessicant filter to dry incoming air, as I would do if I worked in an Analytical lab). What this means is that your precious 99% alcohol will eventually turn into 95% of it's own accord, unless you live in Israel where it is so hot and dry :o). Here in Auckland it would take about five minutes at the moment.. 95% RH in Howick tonight, but good for playing LP's... keeps the static down.. As an aside, and my memory is a bit rusty here, Alcohols and water form azeotropes, and for ethanol this is 95% ethanol, 5 % water. Azeotropes behave if they were monocomponent fluid and have a boiling point lower than either of the two components individually, which is why 95% alcohol should evaporate faster than than the pure material, and will not leave water behind. If you can get 99% grade, great, but if you can only get industrial grade IPA or Ethanol at 95%, don't get all hung up over it, it will be fine. As I have said before, the incorporated water is solubilised and stays with the alcohol and will not leave moisture behind on your heads etc. That is not the best explaination, but the best I could think of on the fly. In fact most 'moisture' on metal components is caused by condensation, as a result of the cooling effect of the alcohol evaporating changing the dew point on a localised basis ( same effect as water condensation on a heavily used Aerosol can). Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jagtar at semplay.com Tue Jan 24 09:32:47 2006 From: jagtar at semplay.com (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:32:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack In-Reply-To: <2EAE227D-6926-4C52-9574-EFA6429C127E@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Hi Adrian I have been keenly interested in the Nakamichi cassette decks since I was 15 but could never afford one until recent years and now have several much to my wife's annoyance. I did find a seller of Caig Deoxit on Amazon.co.uk and bought it for approximately £20. It is a large 150ml spray can called Deoxit part number DN5s. I have not got round to using it yet but as others have said there are various versions probably appropriate for different tasks. The Deoxit DN5s can says that it cleans, enhances, lubricates & protects electrical connections. Hope this helps. Jagtar Semplay London UK -- > From: Adrian Finn > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:12:17 +0000 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack > > does anyone know if where Caig products can be bought in the UK? > I've only seen DeOxit on some UK HiFi sites at silly prices.. > > adrian > > On 24 Jan 2006, at 03:06, Ti Kan wrote: > >> Hi Nakfans, >> >> I was at my local Radio Shack store this afternoon and was pleasantly >> surprised that they now stock some Caig labs products. So, if you >> are in the US and want the convenience of buying this stuff in a >> store, >> check your neighborhood Radio Shack. No affiliations, just fyi. >> >> -Ti >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 24 09:59:57 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:59:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: MEK,IPA, Acetone, et al. Last word Message-ID: Bravo Martin...! I almost forgot...that every time I open the small plastic bottle for "Dip" my "Q tip" bud...also here in Israel, & I live in a very dry (During Summer...of course...today Winter era...!), much les dryness...but when I filled such very small plastic bottle, was filled with 99% Lab pure alcohol...today after more of 10 years...is far less "Pure"...so what...after that I clean my heads, capstans & pinch rollers...I leave ON for 10 minutes running my Dragon...before I load a cassette or for recording or playing. During such 10 minutes the the deck get a little bit warm + hot days here in Israel...always help to dry faster... so NO harm at all! Martin be well & thank you for your very expertise opinion! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Martin Short" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] RE: MEK,IPA, Acetone, et al. Last word Date: Tue, 24 >Jan 2006 20:43:16 +1300 > >Hi Doane, > >... one final question, what about Methanol >alcohol, what used to be called "wood alcohol?" it's very poisonous, but is >stronger then other rubbing alcohols with out added ingredients and is sold >with less then 1% water or even in a pure grade. Incidentally, no one has >mentioned that very pure alcohol of any type will absorb water from the air >if not kept tightly covered, so it really shouldn't be kept very long if >used all the time. > > >Best to avoid Methanol/methyl alcohol/wood alcohol. For our purposes as a >tape deck cleaner, there is no benefit over Ethanol or IPA. >Methanol is a suspected organ toxicant, and poisonous as you say. The >vapours are harmful, can be absorbed through the skin etc. >It is the not the methanol itself that is the direct poison, but rather >what the body does with it that causes the problems. Methanol is >metabolised by the human body to formaldehyde and formic acid, ('nuff >said?), and these two are the chemicals which lead to blindness and death. >It will damage a painted finish, and it is volatile ( very low flash >point) and burns with a clear flame, ask any CART team that has had a pit >lane fire!. I take you will give it a wide berth now? > >Rubbing alcohol is ethanol based, and contains all sorts of 'human >friendly' oils etc, as Kermit has explained previously. >Meths/methylated spirits is similarly ethanol based, and denatured to >render undrinkable by adding methanol and a dye. > >I have used undyed 'meths' when I haven't had any IPA available without >any drama's. > >You are spot on with the water absorption of pure alcohols.. should have >remembered that mysel :o(. >Every time you open your bottle, it will let in a little atmospheric >moisture, (unless you tap off and use a dessicant filter to dry incoming >air, as I would do if I worked in an Analytical lab). >What this means is that your precious 99% alcohol will eventually turn into >95% of it's own accord, unless you live in Israel where it is so hot and >dry :o). Here in Auckland it would take about five minutes at the moment.. >95% RH in Howick tonight, but good for playing LP's... keeps the static >down.. >As an aside, and my memory is a bit rusty here, Alcohols and water form >azeotropes, and for ethanol this is 95% ethanol, 5 % water. Azeotropes >behave if they were monocomponent fluid and have a boiling point lower than >either of the two components individually, which is why 95% alcohol should >evaporate faster than than the pure material, and will not leave water >behind. >If you can get 99% grade, great, but if you can only get industrial grade >IPA or Ethanol at 95%, don't get all hung up over it, it will be fine. As I >have said before, the incorporated water is solubilised and stays with the >alcohol and will not leave moisture behind on your heads etc. That is not >the best explaination, but the best I could think of on the fly. >In fact most 'moisture' on metal components is caused by condensation, as a >result of the cooling effect of the alcohol evaporating changing the dew >point on a localised basis ( same effect as water condensation on a heavily >used Aerosol can). > >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Jan 24 11:32:07 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:32:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remotes In-Reply-To: <584EF260-6B73-4BA0-88BB-E83B6E71E9A3@mac.com> References: <200601220804.k0M84oFf014990@zxe.naks.com> <584EF260-6B73-4BA0-88BB-E83B6E71E9A3@mac.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:10:26 -0800, Fred Lifton wrote: >Thanks to all who have responded to my original query about remotes! >I'm looking forward to trying my hand at a DIY project and will echo >the offer to help out with BOMs, etc. It would be great if we could >come up with something nice and cheap. > >My .02 cents: I don't have much use for a power switch. My Nak gets >turned off when I leave the room and I have to stand up to do that! >best, >Fred My $0.02: I have several brands worth of audio and only one Nak (so far) the CR-3E. I plan to get more but not at outrageous prices. So I am open for decks that have issues. One way to circumvent issues of both estaetics and transport is to use a remote. My deck is busted on the transport panels, and the pcb. It doesn't respond to the remaining controls. A remot ewould enable me to ascertain the current status of the deck and also how much is needed for restoring. But getting a remot for this deck is no good if it cannot be used with other Nak models. Andi t would be nice if the remote is universal in that the receiver can work on several brands and models of decks such as: Teac X-1000 (and 32-2B) Teac X-2000 Akai GX-635D Akai GX-77 Teac A-3300SX Studer A80-R Studer B67 Mk I Otari MX-5050 I already have a remote for my ElCaset units (two Sony EL-5), but you could add support for them too. Would be handy to have a service mode by remote to unplug the receiver from the deck, tell it which model to mimic the remote for, and then connecti it to that brand/model, then just click away. Also it would be cool to allow for several remotes of the same design in use at the same time. Ie. for a cassette deck and a reel deck at the same time. I have bout 20 reel decks of hich many offer remote, but I have 15 cassette decks and the possibilities are scarce for remote operation. I also have a Technics RS-1506 but it also has a remote. It is easy to use a remote for the 1506 also for the 1500 and 1700 models. With 1700 being autoreverse. With some ingenuity it would be possible to wire the different deck up to a switch that selects between them using one IR receiver and one IR transmitter. Indeed it would be helpful if there is also a larger remote with buttons for concurrent operation of two decks. My Studer A721 cassette does have the IR remote possible from factory, but the receiver is not installed inside. However it does have an external connector which can be used. My current Nak has its transport panel destroyed so a remote is my only way of operating it and I am not having any luck finding one. Maybe my deck is actualy completely non-working but I have to at least try to see it working. Mikkel From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 24 12:46:12 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:46:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Silicon and Naks-The miracle cure for sluggish transports?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D61384.9090602@rcn.com> jerryjg wrote: > [.........] > By the way, I sure wish you could buy those > little plastic staw deals that come taped onto the cans to direct the > sparay, cause I can never seem to find them after i remove them off the > can. Do not try to stick them back into the tape. I just use a small rubber band around the can to keep the 'straw' ('spray nozzle extender'?) in place. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 24 12:52:21 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:52:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited In-Reply-To: <004001c62097$e6f36860$bdd117c4@home> References: <004001c62097$e6f36860$bdd117c4@home> Message-ID: <43D614F5.6080405@rcn.com> drewes wrote: > For those interested :the above item now appears TEN times on eBay > Worldwide search! (9 Chinese,1 German).I contacted the German seller--he > has given up reporting this to eBay.Apparently they had eliminated one > chap,but now dont seem to have much interest in the matter. My pet peeve... I remember posting that ebay was 'a cesspool of ripoffs', but probably didn't stress enough that it's much due to ebay's disinclination to fix the situation. Apparently, that would be bad for business... -- Ron > This multiple > copy listing is not limited to this item and the matter seems to be > getting out of hand! > Walter > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 24 13:02:08 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:02:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Silicon and Naks-The miracle cure forsluggish transports?? Message-ID: Bravo Ron...I do the same...each year change the rubber band...as get older breaks...so each New Year...change all such little rubber bands! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Silicon and Naks-The miracle cure >forsluggish transports?? >Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:46:12 -0500 > >jerryjg wrote: >>[.........] > >>By the way, I sure wish you could buy those little plastic staw deals >>that come taped onto the cans to direct the sparay, cause I can never >>seem to find them after i remove them off the can. Do not try to stick >>them back into the tape. > >I just use a small rubber band around the can >to keep the 'straw' ('spray nozzle extender'?) >in place. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 24 15:00:25 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:00:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Silicon and Naks-The miracle cure forsluggishtransports?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01a101c620ee$869d5140$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> I stick it on with a lump of BluTak - this lasts for years. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 24 January 2006 12:02 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Silicon and Naks-The miracle cure > forsluggishtransports?? > > > Bravo Ron...I do the same...each year change the rubber band...as > get older > breaks...so each New Year...change all such little rubber bands! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 24 15:00:23 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:00:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack In-Reply-To: <2EAE227D-6926-4C52-9574-EFA6429C127E@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <01a001c620ee$84f9b360$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> Maplins perhaps? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Adrian Finn > Sent: 24 January 2006 07:12 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack > > > does anyone know if where Caig products can be bought in the UK? > I've only seen DeOxit on some UK HiFi sites at silly prices.. > > adrian > > From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 15:22:13 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:22:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack In-Reply-To: <01a001c620ee$84f9b360$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> References: <2EAE227D-6926-4C52-9574-EFA6429C127E@spamcop.net> <01a001c620ee$84f9b360$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <518b7b10601240622m2d26a215hfb1419f623147dae@mail.gmail.com> A quick check on their website shows they stock only their own brand of cleaner products plus a couple of items produced by Servisol. I personally have never had problems finding Caig products (DeOxit and Gold in particular) from the hi-fi dealers and shops I tend to buy my equipment from. Maybe it's just an issue of defining "silly prices". My impression is that the online and instore prices are the same and are set for the UK market by Caig. George On 1/24/06, Nelson wrote: > Maplins perhaps? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Adrian Finn > > Sent: 24 January 2006 07:12 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack > > > > > > does anyone know if where Caig products can be bought in the UK? > > I've only seen DeOxit on some UK HiFi sites at silly prices.. > > > > adrian > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 17:18:42 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:18:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remotes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060124161842.59921.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you want to test your CR-3 you don't need a remote. Just stick a small piece of wire into the ground pin and then stick the other end in the function you want. See pinout in the link below. http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif BTW you have quite a laundry list of features for this aftermarket remote project. SJ. --- Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:10:26 -0800, Fred Lifton > wrote: > > >Thanks to all who have responded to my original query about > remotes! > >I'm looking forward to trying my hand at a DIY project and will > echo > >the offer to help out with BOMs, etc. It would be great if we > could > >come up with something nice and cheap. > > > >My .02 cents: I don't have much use for a power switch. My Nak > gets > >turned off when I leave the room and I have to stand up to do > that! > >best, > >Fred > > My $0.02: > > I have several brands worth of audio and only one Nak (so far) the > CR-3E. I plan to > get more but not at outrageous prices. So I am open for decks that > have issues. One > way to circumvent issues of both estaetics and transport is to use > a remote. My deck > is busted on the transport panels, and the pcb. It doesn't respond > to the remaining > controls. A remot ewould enable me to ascertain the current status > of the deck and > also how much is needed for restoring. > > But getting a remot for this deck is no good if it cannot be used > with other Nak > models. > Andi t would be nice if the remote is universal in that the > receiver can work on > several brands and models of decks such as: > > Teac X-1000 (and 32-2B) > Teac X-2000 > Akai GX-635D > Akai GX-77 > Teac A-3300SX > Studer A80-R > Studer B67 Mk I > Otari MX-5050 > > I already have a remote for my ElCaset units (two Sony EL-5), but > you could add > support for them too. > Would be handy to have a service mode by remote to unplug the > receiver from the deck, > tell it which model to mimic the remote for, and then connecti it > to that > brand/model, then just click away. > > Also it would be cool to allow for several remotes of the same > design in use at the > same time. Ie. for a cassette deck and a reel deck at the same > time. > > I have bout 20 reel decks of hich many offer remote, but I have 15 > cassette decks and > the possibilities are scarce for remote operation. > > I also have a Technics RS-1506 but it also has a remote. It is easy > to use a remote > for the 1506 also for the 1500 and 1700 models. With 1700 being > autoreverse. > > With some ingenuity it would be possible to wire the different deck > up to a switch > that selects between them using one IR receiver and one IR > transmitter. > Indeed it would be helpful if there is also a larger remote with > buttons for > concurrent operation of two decks. > > My Studer A721 cassette does have the IR remote possible from > factory, but the > receiver is not installed inside. However it does have an external > connector which > can be used. > > My current Nak has its transport panel destroyed so a remote is my > only way of > operating it and I am not having any luck finding one. Maybe my > deck is actualy > completely non-working but I have to at least try to see it > working. > > Mikkel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Tue Jan 24 17:26:40 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:26:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: MEK,IPA, Acetone, et al. Last word In-Reply-To: <007601c620b9$d701dd20$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: Martin: Thanks for the very clear and informative answer.. I'm really not that anal about what I use, usually just my 90% rubbing alcohol, which I've used for 30 years with no ill effect, but I think the whole subject is fascinating and you really seem to know your chemicals. My step father was also a chemist, involved in "growing" gemstones, and I used to enjoy talking to him. Oh, and I promise I'll stay away from the wood alcohol, wasn't that what killed "bums" back in the depression and during prohibition? Thanks, Doane ------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Martin Short Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: MEK,IPA, Acetone, et al. Last word Hi Doane, ... one final question, what about Methanol alcohol, what used to be called "wood alcohol?" it's very poisonous, but is stronger then other rubbing alcohols with out added ingredients and is sold with less then 1% water or even in a pure grade. Incidentally, no one has mentioned that very pure alcohol of any type will absorb water from the air if not kept tightly covered, so it really shouldn't be kept very long if used all the time. Best to avoid Methanol/methyl alcohol/wood alcohol. For our purposes as a tape deck cleaner, there is no benefit over Ethanol or IPA. Methanol is a suspected organ toxicant, and poisonous as you say. The vapours are harmful, can be absorbed through the skin etc. It is the not the methanol itself that is the direct poison, but rather what the body does with it that causes the problems. Methanol is metabolised by the human body to formaldehyde and formic acid, ('nuff said?), and these two are the chemicals which lead to blindness and death. It will damage a painted finish, and it is volatile ( very low flash point) and burns with a clear flame, ask any CART team that has had a pit lane fire!. I take you will give it a wide berth now? Rubbing alcohol is ethanol based, and contains all sorts of 'human friendly' oils etc, as Kermit has explained previously. Meths/methylated spirits is similarly ethanol based, and denatured to render undrinkable by adding methanol and a dye. I have used undyed 'meths' when I haven't had any IPA available without any drama's. You are spot on with the water absorption of pure alcohols.. should have remembered that mysel :o(. Every time you open your bottle, it will let in a little atmospheric moisture, (unless you tap off and use a dessicant filter to dry incoming air, as I would do if I worked in an Analytical lab). What this means is that your precious 99% alcohol will eventually turn into 95% of it's own accord, unless you live in Israel where it is so hot and dry :o). Here in Auckland it would take about five minutes at the moment.. 95% RH in Howick tonight, but good for playing LP's... keeps the static down.. As an aside, and my memory is a bit rusty here, Alcohols and water form azeotropes, and for ethanol this is 95% ethanol, 5 % water. Azeotropes behave if they were monocomponent fluid and have a boiling point lower than either of the two components individually, which is why 95% alcohol should evaporate faster than than the pure material, and will not leave water behind. If you can get 99% grade, great, but if you can only get industrial grade IPA or Ethanol at 95%, don't get all hung up over it, it will be fine. As I have said before, the incorporated water is solubilised and stays with the alcohol and will not leave moisture behind on your heads etc. That is not the best explaination, but the best I could think of on the fly. In fact most 'moisture' on metal components is caused by condensation, as a result of the cooling effect of the alcohol evaporating changing the dew point on a localised basis ( same effect as water condensation on a heavily used Aerosol can). Martin From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 18:03:24 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:03:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remotes In-Reply-To: <20060124161842.59921.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060124170324.35323.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fullfilling that will be a certain technical challenge. I don't think remotes can get as universal as this! Bala Scott Johnson wrote: If you want to test your CR-3 you don't need a remote. Just stick a small piece of wire into the ground pin and then stick the other end in the function you want. See pinout in the link below. http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif BTW you have quite a laundry list of features for this aftermarket remote project. SJ. --- Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:10:26 -0800, Fred Lifton > wrote: > > >Thanks to all who have responded to my original query about > remotes! > >I'm looking forward to trying my hand at a DIY project and will > echo > >the offer to help out with BOMs, etc. It would be great if we > could > >come up with something nice and cheap. > > > >My .02 cents: I don't have much use for a power switch. My Nak > gets > >turned off when I leave the room and I have to stand up to do > that! > >best, > >Fred > > My $0.02: > > I have several brands worth of audio and only one Nak (so far) the > CR-3E. I plan to > get more but not at outrageous prices. So I am open for decks that > have issues. One > way to circumvent issues of both estaetics and transport is to use > a remote. My deck > is busted on the transport panels, and the pcb. It doesn't respond > to the remaining > controls. A remot ewould enable me to ascertain the current status > of the deck and > also how much is needed for restoring. > > But getting a remot for this deck is no good if it cannot be used > with other Nak > models. > Andi t would be nice if the remote is universal in that the > receiver can work on > several brands and models of decks such as: > > Teac X-1000 (and 32-2B) > Teac X-2000 > Akai GX-635D > Akai GX-77 > Teac A-3300SX > Studer A80-R > Studer B67 Mk I > Otari MX-5050 > > I already have a remote for my ElCaset units (two Sony EL-5), but > you could add > support for them too. > Would be handy to have a service mode by remote to unplug the > receiver from the deck, > tell it which model to mimic the remote for, and then connecti it > to that > brand/model, then just click away. > > Also it would be cool to allow for several remotes of the same > design in use at the > same time. Ie. for a cassette deck and a reel deck at the same > time. > > I have bout 20 reel decks of hich many offer remote, but I have 15 > cassette decks and > the possibilities are scarce for remote operation. > > I also have a Technics RS-1506 but it also has a remote. It is easy > to use a remote > for the 1506 also for the 1500 and 1700 models. With 1700 being > autoreverse. > > With some ingenuity it would be possible to wire the different deck > up to a switch > that selects between them using one IR receiver and one IR > transmitter. > Indeed it would be helpful if there is also a larger remote with > buttons for > concurrent operation of two decks. > > My Studer A721 cassette does have the IR remote possible from > factory, but the > receiver is not installed inside. However it does have an external > connector which > can be used. > > My current Nak has its transport panel destroyed so a remote is my > only way of > operating it and I am not having any luck finding one. Maybe my > deck is actualy > completely non-working but I have to at least try to see it > working. > > Mikkel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Tue Jan 24 20:12:31 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:12:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Ist NAKTALK world convention...2006 or 7? In-Reply-To: <43D5986B.5000104@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20060121020238.89622.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43D5986B.5000104@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <1A056738-C7A6-453D-8240-C6220420DE2E@comcast.net> Sending my shockmount which I do not anticipate using! Consider it a gift from me on behalf of Naktalk, at large, for doing such a great job on the nakathon CD Brien On Jan 23, 2006, at 7:00 PM, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Brien, > > Brien Stocker wrote: >> I would like to bring my brilliant friend: http:// >> shockmount.com/ , he could do my legwork and I can show Kermit my >> new: http://levo.ch/2_Englisch/Produkt_E/combi_E.htm . Sounds >> like a great gig and I am totally up for it! > > Look forward to seein gyou and meeting your friend. Gotta get his > shockmount! Looks great! Beats the Sabra I now have. Also would be > insterested in seeing that Levo. Hopefully I can mount a Nak 550 on > it. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > From roleo at telus.net Tue Jan 24 20:28:52 2006 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:28:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Limited Gold References: <01a101c620ee$869d5140$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002101c6211c$68d0e7c0$6401a8c0@Laptop> I think we have a record price for a cassette deck --- $8,000! (ZXL 1000 Limited Gold) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5854600402 The buyer is a exotic sports car collector from the USA. Seems to me that in the 1970's you could buy a house in some places for $8,000! Has anyone seen a cassette deck approach this price before? - Roland From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 24 21:32:02 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:32:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remotes In-Reply-To: <20060124170324.35323.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060124170324.35323.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43D68EC2.3040605@yahoo.ca> I once wanted to build a source selector that had 7 S-Video, Composite, Audio & Digital audio inputs with 3 of them that could be used to record and be monitored, wanted S-Video to output on composite, composite on S-video, digital audio on analog, analog on digital, wanted a remote + volume, a graphic LCD interface, etc. After passing days writing schematics, I just changed idea. It was either too complicated / too expensive or some possibilities couldn't be done. Finally, there's going to be just composite video, only 1 record output, a simple PIC controlled interface with buttons and a remote. If he want to control two units at the same time, he just has to use two different receivers with the same codes. Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit : > Fullfilling that will be a certain technical challenge. I don't think > remotes can get as universal as this! > > Bala > > */Scott Johnson /* wrote: > > If you want to test your CR-3 you don't need a remote. Just stick a > small piece of wire into the ground pin and then stick the other end > in the function you want. See pinout in the link below. > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > BTW you have quite a laundry list of features for this aftermarket > remote project. > > SJ. > > --- Mikkel Breiler wrote: > > > On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:10:26 -0800, Fred Lifton > > wrote: > > > > >Thanks to all who have responded to my original query about > > remotes! > > >I'm looking forward to trying my hand! at a DIY project and will > > echo > > >the offer to help out with BOMs, etc. It would be great if we > > could > > >come up with something nice and cheap. > > > > > >My .02 cents: I don't have much use for a power switch. My Nak > > gets > > >turned off when I leave the room and I have to stand up to do > > > that! > > >best, > > >Fred > > > > My $0.02: > > > > I have several brands worth of audio and only one Nak (so far) the > > CR-3E. I plan to > > get more but not at outrageous prices. So I am open for decks that > > have issues. One > > way to circumvent issues of both estaetics and transport is to use > > a remote. My deck > > is busted on the transport panels, and the pcb. It doesn't respond > > to the remaining > > controls. A remot ewould enable me to ascertain the current status > > of the deck and > > also how much is needed for restoring. > > > > But getting a remot for this deck is no good if it cannot be used > > with other Nak > > models. > > Andi t would be nice if the remote is universal in that the > > receiver can work on > > several brands and models of decks such as: > > > > Teac X-1000 (and 32-2B) > > Teac X-2000 > > Akai GX-635D > > Akai GX-77 > > Teac A-3300SX > > Studer A80-R > > Studer B67 Mk I > > Otari MX-5050 > > > > I already have a remote for my ElCaset units (two Sony EL-5), but > > you could add > > support for them too. > > Would be handy to have a service mode by remote to unplug the > > receiver from the deck, > > tell it which model to mimic the remote for, and then connecti it > > to that > > brand/model, then just click away. > > > > Also it would be cool to allow for several remotes of the same > > design in use at the > > same time. Ie. for a cassette deck and a reel de! ck at the same > > time. > > > > I have bout 20 reel decks of hich many offer remote, but I have 15 > > cassette decks and > > the possibilities are scarce for remote operation. > > > > I also have a Technics RS-1506 but it also has a remote. It is easy > > to use a remote > > for the 1506 also for the 1500 and 1700 models. With 1700 being > > autoreverse. > > > > With some ingenuity it would be possible to wire the different deck > > up to a switch > > that selects between them using one IR receiver and one IR > > transmitter. > > Indeed it would be helpful if there is also a larger remote with > > buttons for > > concurrent operation of two decks. > > > > My Studer A721 cassette does have the IR remote possible from > > factory, but the > > receiver is not installed inside. However it does have an external > > connector which > > can be used. > > > > My current Nak has its t! ransport panel destroyed so a remote is my > > only way of > > operating it and I am not having any luck finding one. Maybe my > > deck is actualy > > completely non-working but I have to at least try to see it > > working. > > > > Mikkel > > > > > > From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Jan 25 02:25:36 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:25:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Master Fader on RX-303 not working Message-ID: HI,theres a problem on my RX-303 cassette deck I bought on E-Bay. Everything seems to work as it should, EXCEPT that the MASTER FADER switch stays on and will do nothing . It will not Fade up or Down- the light on "Master fader Up" switch stays on and it will not go off or it will not fade up or down the tape.This does not affect any other function on the tape unit-everything eslr seems to work as it should.On my other RX-303's, the Master fader works as it should- its a nice feature to have. -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jan 25 03:20:02 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:20:02 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Master Fader on RX-303 not working Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCC5@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> The master fader will only work during recording not playback. Did you try it out during recording? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jerryjg Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 12:26 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Master Fader on RX-303 not working HI,theres a problem on my RX-303 cassette deck I bought on E-Bay. Everything seems to work as it should, EXCEPT that the MASTER FADER switch stays on and will do nothing . It will not Fade up or Down- the light on "Master fader Up" switch stays on and it will not go off or it will not fade up or down the tape.This does not affect any other function on the tape unit-everything eslr seems to work as it should.On my other RX-303's, the Master fader works as it should- its a nice feature to have. -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Jan 25 03:25:25 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:25:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: <200601210247.k0L2l3rR007919@kropotkin.circlecity.net> References: <200601210247.k0L2l3rR007919@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <43D6E195.4010104@yahoo.ca> I made a page with my system in a few minutes here: http://dmsaudiocorp.deep-ice.com/system/ The pics are bleached and the room is messy but, one day(probably in a few years), I'll clean that mess and repair what's working bad. Those AKG K 270 Studio headphones I borrowed sound really good! There's a #%!@¬¢ mosquito in Pink Floyd - High Hopes that I never heard before that's starting to getg on my nerves... Antoine Deschênes Alex Cagann a écrit : > Here is a photo of my system, it's kind of dark, but you can see most of it: > > http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium/basement.jpg > > System: > > Polk SDA SRS speakers (with upgraded crossovers and tweeters) > 2 (two) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps at 800w a piece > Adcom GTP600 preamp > Nakamichi Dragon > Nakamichi RX505 > Nakamichi OMS7 cd > Infocus projector > Audiosource EQ1 (for tweaking tapes) > Sony DVD player > Tara labs, straightwire interconnects > Monstercable speaker wire > > Alex Cagann > > > >> equipment rocks! i WANNA SEE MORE PICS OF nAKTALKERS SyTEMS!! i really >> enjoyed the PIcs from Marathon II!! >> >>> Hello, I downloaded some system photos in my blog. >>> Check them out if you want to. >>> >>> Nakamichi RX-505 and RX-202 >>> >>> http://blog.myspace.com/chicago_ray >>> >>> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 25 04:21:24 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:21:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog Message-ID: Dear Antoine! A turntable on top of a cassette deck...If I will be at your home...I WILL KILL YOU!!!!!! All seems me that is in YOUR BEDROOM??? NO...NO...Antoine..it's a "Bordello" in such way...SORRY! Unacceptable for me! ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog >Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:25:25 -0500 > >I made a page with my system in a few minutes here: >http://dmsaudiocorp.deep-ice.com/system/ > >The pics are bleached and the room is messy but, one day(probably in a few >years), I'll clean that mess and repair what's working bad. > >Those AKG K 270 Studio headphones I borrowed sound really good! There's a >#%!@�� mosquito in Pink Floyd - High Hopes that I never heard before that's >starting to getg on my nerves... > >Antoine Desch�nes > > > >Alex Cagann a �crit : >>Here is a photo of my system, it's kind of dark, but you can see most of >>it: >> >>http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium/basement.jpg >> >>System: >> >>Polk SDA SRS speakers (with upgraded crossovers and tweeters) >>2 (two) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps at 800w a piece >>Adcom GTP600 preamp >>Nakamichi Dragon >>Nakamichi RX505 >>Nakamichi OMS7 cd >>Infocus projector >>Audiosource EQ1 (for tweaking tapes) >>Sony DVD player >>Tara labs, straightwire interconnects >>Monstercable speaker wire >> >>Alex Cagann >> >> >> >>>equipment rocks! i WANNA SEE MORE PICS OF nAKTALKERS SyTEMS!! i really >>>enjoyed the PIcs from Marathon II!! >>> >>>>Hello, I downloaded some system photos in my blog. >>>>Check them out if you want to. >>>> >>>>Nakamichi RX-505 and RX-202 >>>> >>>>http://blog.myspace.com/chicago_ray >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rossnkiely at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 04:32:43 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:32:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Finally Arrived!! Message-ID: <6e1618b40601241932w78ca75d6u6e053713b960f741@mail.gmail.com> *Hi All.* *My Nak 600 I purchased for $35. from Ebay arrived late last week*!! It was sold under the heading of a" Fixer Up/Parts".The owner said it wouldn't play. I was surprised that the Overall Cosmetic condition was Excellent!! Came with Original Boxes, the plastic deck cover & Cleanning kit. I have only had time to do a *Quick check of the mechanics*. So far, here's the scoop. 1.*Play Mode* - Runs for about 3 or 4 sec. then Just Stops! 2. *Record Mode* - seemed ok. Let it run for about 1 min. then I stopped it. 3. *FF / RW -* Operate, althougth I think a little slower than they should. Not sure however. 4. *400Hz Test* tone would not register on the Meters. Maybe I didn't do it correct! Been awhile since I have used a casette deck, even my original. Well thats all I managed to discover at this point. I,m waiting on my Service Manual to arrive Before I Tinker with either this one or my original unit. Will keep you informed on any progress. Will also be asking for help once I get into it. -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Jan 25 04:36:03 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:36:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D6F223.5040109@yahoo.ca> Hi, Alex Cozac a écrit : > Dear Antoine! > > A turntable on top of a cassette deck...If I will be at your home...I > WILL KILL YOU!!!!!! No, even worse, TWO! Do you want me to put it under it or what? BTW, it's a temporary setup. The TT is shaking too much when the washing machine is working. The cover of the CD player is too cheapo to hold all this. > > All seems me that is in YOUR BEDROOM??? Yes! In my 10' x 10' room. > > NO...NO...Antoine..it's a "Bordello" in such way...SORRY! Unacceptable > for me! Do you want to see the "Who has the dirtiest room and/or office?" topic on diyAudio? By the way, I cleaned up my room this month! At least, you didn't see my speaker wires! Teflon tape and yellow electrical tape at the ends. But you see a bit of the TT interconnects in the pics. Some RG-6U cable. > > ALEX! > >> From: Antoine Deschênes >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog >> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:25:25 -0500 >> >> I made a page with my system in a few minutes here: >> http://dmsaudiocorp.deep-ice.com/system/ >> >> The pics are bleached and the room is messy but, one day(probably in >> a few years), I'll clean that mess and repair what's working bad. >> >> Those AKG K 270 Studio headphones I borrowed sound really good! >> There's a #%!@¬¢ mosquito in Pink Floyd - High Hopes that I never >> heard before that's starting to getg on my nerves... >> >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> >> >> Alex Cagann a écrit : >>> Here is a photo of my system, it's kind of dark, but you can see >>> most of it: >>> >>> http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium/basement.jpg >>> >>> System: >>> >>> Polk SDA SRS speakers (with upgraded crossovers and tweeters) >>> 2 (two) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps at 800w a piece >>> Adcom GTP600 preamp >>> Nakamichi Dragon >>> Nakamichi RX505 >>> Nakamichi OMS7 cd >>> Infocus projector >>> Audiosource EQ1 (for tweaking tapes) >>> Sony DVD player >>> Tara labs, straightwire interconnects >>> Monstercable speaker wire >>> >>> Alex Cagann >>> >>> >>> >>>> equipment rocks! i WANNA SEE MORE PICS OF nAKTALKERS SyTEMS!! i really >>>> enjoyed the PIcs from Marathon II!! >>>> >>>>> Hello, I downloaded some system photos in my blog. >>>>> Check them out if you want to. >>>>> >>>>> Nakamichi RX-505 and RX-202 >>>>> >>>>> http://blog.myspace.com/chicago_ray >>>>> From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Jan 25 04:37:16 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:37:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Finally Arrived!! In-Reply-To: <6e1618b40601241932w78ca75d6u6e053713b960f741@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e1618b40601241932w78ca75d6u6e053713b960f741@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D6F26C.6070908@yahoo.ca> Maybe there's a tape jam sensor problem if it doesn't play. But it records tho. IMO it's pretty odd. Ross Kiely a écrit : > *Hi All.* _My Nak 600 I purchased for $35. from Ebay arrived late last > week_!! It was sold under the heading of a" Fixer Up/Parts".The owner > said it wouldn't play. I was surprised that the Overall Cosmetic > condition was Excellent!! Came with Original Boxes, the plastic deck > cover & Cleanning kit. I have only had time to do a _Quick check of > the mechanics_. So far, here's the scoop. > 1.*Play Mode* - Runs for about 3 or 4 sec. then Just Stops! > 2. *Record Mode* - seemed ok. Let it run for about 1 min. then I > stopped it. > 3. *FF / RW -* Operate, althougth I think a little slower than they > should. Not sure however. > 4. *400Hz Test* tone would not register on the Meters. Maybe I didn't > do it correct! Been awhile since I have used a casette deck, even my > original. > Well thats all I managed to discover at this point. I,m waiting on my > Service Manual to arrive Before I Tinker with either this one or my > original unit. > Will keep you informed on any progress. Will also be asking for help > once I get into it. > -- > Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting > Danforth Community Church > Toronto, Ontario,Canada. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 25 04:49:38 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:49:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: <43D6F223.5040109@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Please Antoine! When ALL will be as MUST BE...make newer photos!!! Be well always!. ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog >Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:36:03 -0500 > >Hi, > >Alex Cozac a �crit : >>Dear Antoine! >> >>A turntable on top of a cassette deck...If I will be at your home...I WILL >>KILL YOU!!!!!! >No, even worse, TWO! > >Do you want me to put it under it or what? > >BTW, it's a temporary setup. The TT is shaking too much when the washing >machine is working. The cover of the CD player is too cheapo to hold all >this. >> >>All seems me that is in YOUR BEDROOM??? >Yes! In my 10' x 10' room. >> >>NO...NO...Antoine..it's a "Bordello" in such way...SORRY! Unacceptable for >>me! >Do you want to see the "Who has the dirtiest room and/or office?" topic on >diyAudio? > >By the way, I cleaned up my room this month! > >At least, you didn't see my speaker wires! Teflon tape and yellow >electrical tape at the ends. >But you see a bit of the TT interconnects in the pics. Some RG-6U cable. >> >>ALEX! >> >>>From: Antoine Desch�nes >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog >>>Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:25:25 -0500 >>> >>>I made a page with my system in a few minutes here: >>>http://dmsaudiocorp.deep-ice.com/system/ >>> >>>The pics are bleached and the room is messy but, one day(probably in a >>>few years), I'll clean that mess and repair what's working bad. >>> >>>Those AKG K 270 Studio headphones I borrowed sound really good! There's a >>>#%!@�� mosquito in Pink Floyd - High Hopes that I never heard before >>>that's starting to getg on my nerves... >>> >>>Antoine Desch�nes >>> >>> >>> >>>Alex Cagann a �crit : >>>>Here is a photo of my system, it's kind of dark, but you can see most of >>>>it: >>>> >>>>http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium/basement.jpg >>>> >>>>System: >>>> >>>>Polk SDA SRS speakers (with upgraded crossovers and tweeters) >>>>2 (two) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps at 800w a piece >>>>Adcom GTP600 preamp >>>>Nakamichi Dragon >>>>Nakamichi RX505 >>>>Nakamichi OMS7 cd >>>>Infocus projector >>>>Audiosource EQ1 (for tweaking tapes) >>>>Sony DVD player >>>>Tara labs, straightwire interconnects >>>>Monstercable speaker wire >>>> >>>>Alex Cagann >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>equipment rocks! i WANNA SEE MORE PICS OF nAKTALKERS SyTEMS!! i really >>>>>enjoyed the PIcs from Marathon II!! >>>>> >>>>>>Hello, I downloaded some system photos in my blog. >>>>>>Check them out if you want to. >>>>>> >>>>>>Nakamichi RX-505 and RX-202 >>>>>> >>>>>>http://blog.myspace.com/chicago_ray >>>>>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From sybarito at hotmail.com Wed Jan 25 05:17:42 2006 From: sybarito at hotmail.com (Isy Fidelman) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:17:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Limited Gold In-Reply-To: <002101c6211c$68d0e7c0$6401a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: Simply amazing!!!! Seems to me our jewels are getting expensive these days too...jejejeje Isy >From: "Roland Alford 2" >Reply-To: Roland Alford 2 , Talk about Nakamichi >Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Limited Gold >Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:28:52 -0800 > >I think we have a record price for a cassette deck --- $8,000! (ZXL 1000 >Limited Gold) > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5854600402 > >The buyer is a exotic sports car collector from the USA. > >Seems to me that in the 1970's you could buy a house in some places for >$8,000! > >Has anyone seen a cassette deck approach this price before? > > >- Roland > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marlin at amerion.com Wed Jan 25 05:27:19 2006 From: marlin at amerion.com (John Mathies) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:27:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] service manual Message-ID: <009001c62167$a203e470$20ca3442@yourfsyly0jtwn> Does anyone have a original 700 srevice manual to sell? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 05:39:45 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:39:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: <43D6E195.4010104@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060125043945.76998.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Antoine, Running Fedora Core 4 eh? Regards Bala 79 Labs Antoine Deschênes wrote: I made a page with my system in a few minutes here: http://dmsaudiocorp.deep-ice.com/system/ The pics are bleached and the room is messy but, one day(probably in a few years), I'll clean that mess and repair what's working bad. Those AKG K 270 Studio headphones I borrowed sound really good! There's a #%!@¬¢ mosquito in Pink Floyd - High Hopes that I never heard before that's starting to getg on my nerves... Antoine Deschênes Alex Cagann a écrit : > Here is a photo of my system, it's kind of dark, but you can see most of it: > > http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium/basement.jpg > > System: > > Polk SDA SRS speakers (with upgraded crossovers and tweeters) > 2 (two) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps at 800w a piece > Adcom GTP600 preamp > Nakamichi Dragon > Nakamichi RX505 > Nakamichi OMS7 cd > Infocus projector > Audiosource EQ1 (for tweaking tapes) > Sony DVD player > Tara labs, straightwire interconnects > Monstercable speaker wire > > Alex Cagann > > > >> equipment rocks! i WANNA SEE MORE PICS OF nAKTALKERS SyTEMS!! i really >> enjoyed the PIcs from Marathon II!! >> >>> Hello, I downloaded some system photos in my blog. >>> Check them out if you want to. >>> >>> Nakamichi RX-505 and RX-202 >>> >>> http://blog.myspace.com/chicago_ray >>> >>> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Wed Jan 25 08:56:16 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:56:16 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Rubbing Alcohol... Message-ID: <003301c62184$d1e9d4c0$0201a8c0@lan> "Thanks for the very clear and informative answer.. I'm really not that anal about what I use, usually just my 90% rubbing alcohol, which I've used for 30 years with no ill effect, but I think the whole subject is fascinating and you really seem to know your chemicals. My step father was also a chemist, involved in "growing" gemstones, and I used to enjoy talking to him. Oh, and I promise I'll stay away from the wood alcohol, wasn't that what killed "bums" back in the depression and during prohibition? Thanks, Doane" You got me thinking.... a dangerous pastime...! Rubbing alcohol is a generic term.. like 'Hoover' and vacuum cleaners. I have always considered this to be ethanol based, as it has been on my few encounters with it in NZ, immediately prior to a close encounter with a needle.....in the arm.. just in case anyone had any other ideas..., so I did a bit of quick research: Rubbing alcohol can be and is usually IPA based, at least stateside. Here in NZ it can be either. The most common forms are 1) 70% IPA/30% water.. the azeotropic composition, and thus fastest drying/greatest cooling effect.. 2) 99% IPA ... extra strenght version???.... 3) 95% ethanol/5% water, again the azeotropic composition, usually denatured with methanol, and also known as "surgical spirit" all of which would be Ok for tape deck cleaning, IMHO.. I have used 2) and 3) successfully for years. There are apparently there are some 'sports' concoctions of rubbing alcohol that include linament and other 'get you back on the field quick -- fixes'.. exact composition unknown! I hope I know at least some of my Chemicals :o)... I run the NZ tech centre for a British owned, American adhesives company!! I tried growing quartz and emerald crystals once too .. part of my course lab work when at Uni.. always looked a bit manky... defintely not 'byron' emeralds for sure!. I don't know about your 'bums'.. but ours that used to live around the Courtenay Place bus terminal in Wellington used to drink 'methylated spirits'.. a few went blind for sure.. not sure about any terminal cases. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakfan at gawab.com Wed Jan 25 10:12:07 2006 From: nakfan at gawab.com (mike) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:12:07 GMT Subject: [naktalk] 582 No Sound in replay Message-ID: <20060125091207.1027.qmail@gawab.com> Hello there, I have a 582 desk with following fault. During replay I have no sound even the meters show nothing. During recording in "tape monitor" mode I can hear the recording on the cassette and the meters are showing the signal. As soon as I stop the recording and rewind -nothing but silence :-( Any Ideas? tya mike From andrew.spencer at manepa.com Mon Jan 23 17:38:42 2006 From: andrew.spencer at manepa.com (Andrew Spencer) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:38:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Remote Message-ID: This may be a silly question, however, here goes! Is it possible to programme a remote control with codes for operating a CR7 or could this be done by borrowing a CR7 remote and using the learning facility on the remote? Regards. 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Any ideas? mike From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Jan 25 10:35:16 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:35:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: <43D6E195.4010104@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: There always has to be someone who just can't help showing off! My full compliments Antoine, but I have the Armani 999ZXL socks with the special edition elasticated gussetts in my drawers.(Picture to follow after I have taken them off). BTW, can I assume that with such a distinctive name, you are the same Antoine who frequents the FMTuner group? Regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 25 January 2006 02:25 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog I made a page with my system in a few minutes here: http://dmsaudiocorp.deep-ice.com/system/ The pics are bleached and the room is messy but, one day(probably in a few years), I'll clean that mess and repair what's working bad. Those AKG K 270 Studio headphones I borrowed sound really good! There's a #%!@¬¢ mosquito in Pink Floyd - High Hopes that I never heard before that's starting to getg on my nerves... Antoine Deschênes From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Jan 25 12:15:06 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:15:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Remote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Andy, No, it's not a silly question at all. I use a Philips Pronto universal remote to control my CR-7. The original codes were given to me via naktalk a few years ago by our very own Ron (thanks, man!) If you use a Pronto then I can attach the .ccf file, although I suppose the codes could be manually programmed for a diffferent remote if I can copy out the entire strings. Kelvin. From sendigitall at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 13:44:51 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:44:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 TEST TONES? In-Reply-To: <200601251101.k0PB0bO9029497@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060125124451.49441.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> ...i have not seen much of this nak ..but it still has the controls of higher end naks ......the cr-4 is supposed to have "manual" bias and level calibration ...but .. i have not seen any mention of test tones in naks.com site CR series page ....or is it understood that if there is level and bias calibrations controls...two test tones are present by default ? anyway i have planned to buy the cr-4 ....i tried for usermanuals ..just to see how the bias and level calibrations are made ...i couldnt get the english one ..but i got a cr3/cr4 usermanul in "dutch" ....... i would be greatful if any who knew dutch ...could translate it ..its just one page ..with quiet explinatory pics ..but i jus want to be sure .... its just two small paragraphs and 6 points to follow ..with 6 pics .....the page tiltle is HET AFREGELSYSTEEM VAN DE CR4.....i can send that page as a jpeg file .....if it isnt that crucial ..kindly any cr4 owners let me know how it should be done ...cause this my first nak with bias and level calibration...my next is going to be the 680zx ....iam eagerly waiting for it to come from the shop after a routine capacitor change... thank u regards senthil --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrewspencer at eircom.net Wed Jan 25 15:09:25 2006 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andrew Spencer) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:09:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Remote References: Message-ID: <00d001c621b8$f404eb60$873a869f@andrewspencer> Kelvin That's encouraging although I don't use a pronto. I was hoping to programme my Tag Mclaren Remote which controls my AV32R processor plus other Tag equipment. Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Remote > > Hi Andy, > > No, it's not a silly question at all. I use a Philips Pronto universal > remote to control my CR-7. The original codes were given to me via naktalk a > few years ago by our very own Ron (thanks, man!) > > If you use a Pronto then I can attach the .ccf file, although I suppose the > codes could be manually programmed for a diffferent remote if I can copy out > the entire strings. > > Kelvin. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 25 15:17:19 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:17:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Remote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D7886F.7020208@rcn.com> Andrew Spencer wrote: > This may be a silly question, however, here goes! > > Is it possible to programme a remote control with codes for operating a CR7 > or could this be done by borrowing a CR7 remote and using the learning > facility on the remote? > > Regards. > > Andy > Dublin, Ireland If you have a learning remote transmitter, than, yes, you can program it with the CR-7 codes. This is exactly how I control my CR-7, using a Marantz RC-5000i universal remote. If your universal remote is of the Philips Pronto or Marantz families, then you do not even need to borrow the original remote transmitter. You can simply download the codes file (called CCF) into the remote. The file is available on the net or I'll be happy to email mine to you. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 25 15:24:49 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:24:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 No Sound in replay In-Reply-To: <20060125091207.1027.qmail@gawab.com> References: <20060125091207.1027.qmail@gawab.com> Message-ID: <43D78A31.9070807@rcn.com> mike wrote: > Hello there, > > I have a 582 desk with following fault. > > During replay I have no sound even the meters show nothing. > During recording in "tape monitor" mode I can hear the recording > on the cassette and the meters are showing the signal. > > As soon as I stop the recording and rewind -nothing but silence > :-( > > Any Ideas? > > tya mike Since you are getting replay output during recording, I would assume the PB head and circuitry are working fine. I would look for either a switching or a mute problem. -- Ron From andrewspencer at eircom.net Wed Jan 25 16:26:55 2006 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andrew Spencer) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:26:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Remote References: <43D7886F.7020208@rcn.com> Message-ID: <00f601c621c3$c788abc0$873a869f@andrewspencer> Ron Thanks for your reply, I have a Tag Mclaren Remote which can learn or be programmed, where is the best place to get the remote codes from? Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Remote > Andrew Spencer wrote: > > This may be a silly question, however, here goes! > > > > Is it possible to programme a remote control with codes for operating a CR7 > > or could this be done by borrowing a CR7 remote and using the learning > > facility on the remote? > > > > Regards. > > > > Andy > > Dublin, Ireland > > If you have a learning remote transmitter, than, > yes, you can program it with the CR-7 codes. This > is exactly how I control my CR-7, using a Marantz > RC-5000i universal remote. > > If your universal remote is of the Philips Pronto > or Marantz families, then you do not even need to > borrow the original remote transmitter. You can > simply download the codes file (called CCF) into > the remote. The file is available on the net or > I'll be happy to email mine to you. > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Wed Jan 25 17:13:25 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:13:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 TEST TONES? In-Reply-To: <20060125124451.49441.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200601251101.k0PB0bO9029497@zxe.naks.com> <20060125124451.49441.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060125110831.03375728@pop.videotron.ca> The CR-4 has built-in test tones for Level and Bias. You should set Level first and then Bias. At 07:44 01/25/2006, you wrote: >...i have not seen much of this nak ..but it still has the controls >of higher end naks ......the cr-4 is supposed to have "manual" bias >and level calibration ...but .. i have not seen any mention of test >tones in naks.com site CR series page ....or is it understood that >if there is level and bias calibrations controls...two test tones >are present by default ? > anyway i have planned to buy the cr-4 ....i tried > for usermanuals ..just to see how the bias and level calibrations > are made ...i couldnt get the english one ..but i got a cr3/cr4 > usermanul in "dutch" ....... i would be greatful if any who knew > dutch ...could translate it ..its just one page ..with quiet > explinatory pics ..but i jus want to be sure .... > its just two small paragraphs and 6 > points to follow ..with 6 pics .....the page tiltle is HET > AFREGELSYSTEEM VAN DE CR4.....i can send that page as a jpeg file > .....if it isnt that crucial ..kindly any cr4 owners let me know > how it should be done ...cause this my first nak with bias and > level calibration...my next is going to be the 680zx ....iam > eagerly waiting for it to come from the shop after a routine > capacitor change... > >thank u >regards >senthil > > >Do you Yahoo!? >With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with >Yahoo! >Mail. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Wed Jan 25 17:35:20 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:35:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Rubbing Alcohol... In-Reply-To: <003301c62184$d1e9d4c0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: A little OT here, but, just quickly... My stepfather and his partner, Roy Chattem were the two who started Chattem emeralds. They actually do grow them and they are real emeralds.. Chattem's sons now run the business. Nice talking to you. Doane -------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Martin Short Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Rubbing Alcohol... "Thanks for the very clear and informative answer.. I'm really not that anal about what I use, usually just my 90% rubbing alcohol, which I've used for 30 years with no ill effect, but I think the whole subject is fascinating and you really seem to know your chemicals. My step father was also a chemist, involved in "growing" gemstones, and I used to enjoy talking to him. Oh, and I promise I'll stay away from the wood alcohol, wasn't that what killed "bums" back in the depression and during prohibition? Thanks, Doane" You got me thinking.... a dangerous pastime...! Rubbing alcohol is a generic term.. like 'Hoover' and vacuum cleaners. I have always considered this to be ethanol based, as it has been on my few encounters with it in NZ, immediately prior to a close encounter with a needle.....in the arm.. just in case anyone had any other ideas..., so I did a bit of quick research: Rubbing alcohol can be and is usually IPA based, at least stateside. Here in NZ it can be either. The most common forms are 1) 70% IPA/30% water.. the azeotropic composition, and thus fastest drying/greatest cooling effect.. 2) 99% IPA ... extra strenght version???.... 3) 95% ethanol/5% water, again the azeotropic composition, usually denatured with methanol, and also known as "surgical spirit" all of which would be Ok for tape deck cleaning, IMHO.. I have used 2) and 3) successfully for years. There are apparently there are some 'sports' concoctions of rubbing alcohol that include linament and other 'get you back on the field quick -- fixes'.. exact composition unknown! I hope I know at least some of my Chemicals :o)... I run the NZ tech centre for a British owned, American adhesives company!! I tried growing quartz and emerald crystals once too .. part of my course lab work when at Uni.. always looked a bit manky... defintely not 'byron' emeralds for sure!. I don't know about your 'bums'.. but ours that used to live around the Courtenay Place bus terminal in Wellington used to drink 'methylated spirits'.. a few went blind for sure.. not sure about any terminal cases. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I believe someone here has also replaced it with an LED and a resistor (to give the same value as the bulb, to fool the circuits, so they work again, so you can listen to music instead of wondering how much sake the Nak engineer had for lunch before he designed a circuit that killed the sound when a light bulb burned out.....) John Message: 6 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:56:45 GMT From: "juanitolo" Subject: [naktalk]582 Problem No sound at replay To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20060124195645.20453.qmail at gawab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have a 582 deck with following fault. There´s no sound during playback, even the meters show nothing. During recording and "tape monitor" on I hear the recorded sound on the tape. I even hear the test tones during recording in the "tape monitor" position. But, after recording and playback, nothing happens. Any ideas? mike From nakfan at gawab.com Wed Jan 25 20:23:02 2006 From: nakfan at gawab.com (mike) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:23:02 GMT Subject: [naktalk] 582 No Sound in replay Message-ID: <20060125192302.5800.qmail@gawab.com> Hello, Mike, I had similar problem. If the play os stop ( d'ont remember which one) light behind the corresponding button does not ligt up (lamp burned), that's the problem. Just change that lamp and all will be working. Good luck Carlos Novak ---------------- Hhmm, as you said it, the "stop" light isn´t working anymore. Maybe, its on that. I´ll try it to change. thanks mike From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Jan 25 23:07:18 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:07:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Message-ID: <001601c621fb$b54b32b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Antoine, You earlier posted a link to your home page, where there was another link to your preliminary schematic for an IR remote reciever was posted. That link is not working. Could you check it, and/or email me directly your schematic? Thank you, Robert Kent rjkent at comcast.net http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ your homepage http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/NekRemote.png not working -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakfan at gawab.com Wed Jan 25 23:28:17 2006 From: nakfan at gawab.com (mike) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:28:17 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Re: 582 Problem No sound at replay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060125222817.18296.qmail@gawab.com> John Berger schreibt: > Mike, > > Check to see if the little indicator light behind the "Play" button is > burned out; if so, this will mute the sound in just the way that you > described. > > You can replace the bulb and fix it, if this is the cast. I believe > someone here has also replaced it with an LED and a resistor (to give the > same value as the bulb, to fool the circuits, so they work again, so you > can listen to music instead of wondering how much sake the Nak engineer > had for lunch before he designed a circuit that killed the sound when a > light bulb burned out.....) > > John First, I hope I fixed my Email problem -my provider doesn´t allow to send mails with a different adress. Its not the playback bulb, its the stop light which is burned out. Another thing is, which I can´t remember. The test tones normally work only in record mode? Or do they work all the time, when I switch them on and the desk is in "source" mode? On my 582 they play as soon I switch them on, regardless of stop, winding, play or record (standby). Maybe this is even a fault from the burned out "stop" light? From pawel at bartuzi.org Wed Jan 25 23:40:41 2006 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:40:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Buying old tapes and ageing problem Message-ID: <43D7FE69.1020707@bartuzi.org> On different occasions people sell old unused (in original packaging) tapes on ebay or wherever. I have some of tapes like that and I noticed that some of them can be recorded and play perfectly, some of them can't. Probably ageing problem. Are there any brands and tape formulations you could suggest as generally resistant to such problems? Or are there any tapes that should be avoided? My personal experience is that old Sony UX-S (probably 5 years old) and Fuji JP-II (probably 10 years or more) is good - at least to my ears. -- Pawel From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jan 25 23:28:04 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:28:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control In-Reply-To: <001601c621fb$b54b32b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <001601c621fb$b54b32b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <43D7FB74.7000702@xs4all.nl> Hi Robert, I think he made a typo... this is the correct link: http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/NakRemote.png There is nothing called Nek I suppose :-) Wouter rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Antoine, > You earlier posted a link to your home page, where there was another > link to your preliminary schematic for an IR remote reciever was > posted. That link is not working. Could you check it, and/or email > me directly your schematic? > > Thank you, > > Robert Kent > rjkent at comcast.net > > http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ your homepage > > http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/NekRemote.png not working > From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 23:53:23 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:53:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control In-Reply-To: <001601c621fb$b54b32b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <20060125225323.57181.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert, You just need to fix the link. His link is NekRemote.png You want to fix the Nek to Nak. http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/NakRemote.png The schematic is the EASY part. That I can crank out in a few minutes. The programming is the hard part. And the actual building, testing, assembly, packaging, etc. Scott J. --- rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Antoine, > You earlier posted a link to your home page, where there was > another link to your preliminary schematic for an IR remote > reciever was posted. That link is not working. Could you check > it, and/or email me directly your schematic? > > Thank you, > > Robert Kent > rjkent at comcast.net > > http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ your homepage > > http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/NekRemote.png not > working > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Jan 25 23:59:10 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:59:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D802BE.4080209@yahoo.ca> Doug Locke a écrit : > There always has to be someone who just can't help showing off! > My full compliments Antoine, but I have the Armani 999ZXL socks with the > special edition elasticated gussetts in my drawers.(Picture to follow after > I have taken them off). > > > BTW, can I assume that with such a distinctive name, you are the same > Antoine who frequents the FMTuner group? > Yes, the same. Also in these Yahoo groups: k5synth, the-linear-users-group, eico, vintagesynthrepair, tda1541a_dac and kawaisynths. That makes a lot of mail in my mailbox. > Regards. > Doug. > From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 00:02:30 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:02:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Remote In-Reply-To: <003401c621d1$fd745960$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <20060125230230.69294.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah, that was an impressive setup. I think ESL might have bought some of those decks when it was taken apart. Years ago I bought the real time tape duplication system that Quadim in Woodland Hills had. I actually bought it from David Manley, founder of Manley Labs. That system had over 110 Nak MR-1's all modified for IEC2 and gear idlers from the factory. Sweet setup. Here is a picture of my friend in front of the racks and racks of MR-1's before we handled over the cashiers check. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/Racks.jpg That was fun. SJ --- Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Stumbled across this very interesting article regarding the > business of > cassette tape recording, using 32 ZX-9's!! > > http://www.halcyon.com/robinja/mythos/JohnOswald.html#OSW > > Shaun > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 26 00:09:28 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:09:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control In-Reply-To: <43D7FB74.7000702@xs4all.nl> References: <001601c621fb$b54b32b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> <43D7FB74.7000702@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <43D80528.1040201@yahoo.ca> Yup, it was a typo. I fixed it! Wouter Heijke a écrit : > Hi Robert, > I think he made a typo... this is the correct link: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/NakRemote.png > > There is nothing called Nek I suppose :-) > > Wouter > > rjkent at comcast.net wrote: >> Antoine, >> You earlier posted a link to your home page, where there was another >> link to your preliminary schematic for an IR remote reciever was >> posted. That link is not working. Could you check it, and/or email >> me directly your schematic? >> >> Thank you, >> >> Robert Kent >> rjkent at comcast.net >> >> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ your homepage >> >> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/NekRemote.png not working >> From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 26 00:11:24 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:11:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control In-Reply-To: <20060125225323.57181.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060125225323.57181.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43D8059C.6010004@yahoo.ca> Scott Johnson a écrit : > Robert, > > You just need to fix the link. > His link is NekRemote.png > You want to fix the Nek to Nak. > > http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/NakRemote.png > > The schematic is the EASY part. That's why I can do one. > That I can crank out in a few > minutes. The programming is the hard part. That's why I used someone else's DIY project. > And the actual building, > testing, assembly, packaging, etc. > > Scott J. > From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Thu Jan 26 03:12:49 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:12:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Master Fader on RX-303 not working In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCC5@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCC5@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:20:02 -0600, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: Yessir Thomas, Thank you very much!All of My 303's do the same thing. Its definitly because the Fader only works during recording. Thanks once again! > The master fader will only work during recording not playback. Did you > try > it out during recording? > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of jerryjg > Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 12:26 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Master Fader on RX-303 not working > > > HI,theres a problem on my RX-303 cassette deck I bought on E-Bay. > Everything seems to work as it should, EXCEPT that the MASTER FADER > switch > stays on and will do nothing . It will not Fade up or Down- the light on > "Master fader Up" switch stays on and it will not go off or it will not > fade up or down the tape.This does not affect any other function on the > tape unit-everything eslr seems to work as it should.On my other > RX-303's, > the Master fader works as it should- its a nice feature to have. -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Jan 26 03:36:38 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 02:36:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Remote In-Reply-To: <00d001c621b8$f404eb60$873a869f@andrewspencer> Message-ID: Andy, What you're proposing will need the original remote or a Pronto with RM-7 codes as the Tag remote depends on the original IR signal being sent out for it to capture. I hardly use my Tag remote ever since I got my Pronto some years ago and nowadays you can pick one up for not much money thru Ebay. To be honest, I hardly use the remote functions for the CR-7 as I have to be there to physically put the tape in and then might as well press play at the same time. The AV32R functions I use a lot on the remote cos it's needed for volume control, source switching, video switching etc. Actually, does anyone else use their Nak remotes much? Either the wireless CR-7 or RM580 or wired ones like RM-200, RM100, RM5, RM 15 etc? From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 03:52:51 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:52:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Remote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060126025251.63338.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Well not really. I too simply choose to press play and fine tune the azimuth control while I am at the deck. The people who will best benefit from a wireless remote would be musicians and studio people who need to be at the studio or mixing desk and can;t be near the deck to press play/rec. Regards Bala 79 Labs winnie pooh wrote: Andy, What you're proposing will need the original remote or a Pronto with RM-7 codes as the Tag remote depends on the original IR signal being sent out for it to capture. I hardly use my Tag remote ever since I got my Pronto some years ago and nowadays you can pick one up for not much money thru Ebay. To be honest, I hardly use the remote functions for the CR-7 as I have to be there to physically put the tape in and then might as well press play at the same time. The AV32R functions I use a lot on the remote cos it's needed for volume control, source switching, video switching etc. Actually, does anyone else use their Nak remotes much? Either the wireless CR-7 or RM580 or wired ones like RM-200, RM100, RM5, RM 15 etc? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From douglas.young at charter.net Thu Jan 26 00:47:38 2006 From: douglas.young at charter.net (Doug Young) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:47:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 manual Message-ID: <000601c62209$bb55cbd0$6600a8c0@Dell6000> I'm seeking an owner's manual for Cassette Deck 1. A photocopy or other reproduction would be perfectly fine. Anyone? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrewspencer at eircom.net Thu Jan 26 09:55:36 2006 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andrew Spencer) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:55:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 manual References: <000601c62209$bb55cbd0$6600a8c0@Dell6000> Message-ID: <008201c62256$47024220$563b869f@andrewspencer> Doug I downloaded a Cassette Deck 1 manual from the internet and have a hard copy. I'll try and find the link for you to download, if I can't find it I'll happily post you a copy. regards. 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URL: From ramvem at hotmail.com Thu Jan 26 10:04:13 2006 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:04:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] playback problems due to lack of use Message-ID: Hello Nakkers, Before I get into what I wanted to talk about I just wanted to chime in on the 1000zxl that recently went for 8k. That was something, but there's a lot of rich people in the world so market price is what they are willing to pay. :) Ebay has gotten a bonanza of 1000 series naks. There's two zxls and one 1000 on right now. Now for what I really wanted to talk about. I just got hold of a 480 that was not used for some time because the owner got a double cassette deck and was not using this one. Surprise surprise, its not working anymore. I checked it out and this is what I found, the playback circuit has two problems, one is the large wheel that rotates when you press pb, ff or rew is not rotating all the way for play. So it doesn't engage. If I nudge it a bit when I press play it engages, but the playback speed is very fast. This was the same problem I had with the cassette deck 2 that somebody gave me for free hoping I could fix it. Does this sound familiar? I will wait for your nuggets of wisdom on this. PS: my nak pet peeve - wish the RCA connectors had little more space between them, it would make it easier to use monster rca cable (their connectors are big). second is wish all decks had output level control. PPS: enjoying my LX-3 & LX-5 everyday. A man and his decks, a lovely story. Best Regards, -- Ram Vemuri (ramvem at hotmail.com) From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Jan 26 10:31:04 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:31:04 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] 110 MR1's !!!! Message-ID: <001401c6225b$3bee9e60$0201a8c0@lan> Scott, That is a very impressive photograph!!, but what on earth do you use 110 MR1's for????.. presuming you still have them hooked up as per the photo?.. you have piqued my curiosity. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Thu Jan 26 12:34:19 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:34:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 manual In-Reply-To: <000601c62209$bb55cbd0$6600a8c0@Dell6000> Message-ID: Hi Doug. You will find both the users manual and the service manual on my site, just download it and have fun. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doug Young Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 12:48 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 manual I'm seeking an owner's manual for Cassette Deck 1. A photocopy or other reproduction would be perfectly fine. Anyone? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jan 26 12:57:12 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:57:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 550 as good as new Message-ID: <43D8B918.6040105@peromarta.org> Dear all, I just got me a 550, in "as new" condition, with little or no use at all. I'd like to have it calibrated and checked, but no one is willing to take care of it in Europe. I'll try to find myself a Service Manual, and do it myself. Any special consideration? Kermit? Thanks , and best rgds, LP. -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 26 13:24:45 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:24:45 +1100 Subject: [naktalk]582 Problem No sound at replay&In-Reply-to=028439 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCD1@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> It will definitely be the play light or the stop light. Same thing happened to my 582. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of juanitolo Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2006 6:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]582 Problem No sound at replay&In-Reply-to=028439 Mike, Check to see if the little indicator light behind the "Play" button is burned out; if so, this will mute the sound in just the way that you described. ----------------- It´s the stoplight which is burned out. I can´t remember, did the testtones always work when the deck is switched to source and one of tones is on? Without being in rec (standby) mode? Thats what happen here. But I guess this is a fault too? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 26 13:28:08 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:28:08 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Buying old tapes and ageing problem Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCD2@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> My only suggestion would be to avoid the old BASF ferric type I tapes from 83-86. They tend to squeal towards the end on one side (either side A or B). Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pawel Bartuzi Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2006 9:41 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Buying old tapes and ageing problem On different occasions people sell old unused (in original packaging) tapes on ebay or wherever. I have some of tapes like that and I noticed that some of them can be recorded and play perfectly, some of them can't. Probably ageing problem. Are there any brands and tape formulations you could suggest as generally resistant to such problems? Or are there any tapes that should be avoided? My personal experience is that old Sony UX-S (probably 5 years old) and Fuji JP-II (probably 10 years or more) is good - at least to my ears. -- Pawel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ady at spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 14:15:34 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:15:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack In-Reply-To: <518b7b10601240622m2d26a215hfb1419f623147dae@mail.gmail.com> References: <2EAE227D-6926-4C52-9574-EFA6429C127E@spamcop.net> <01a001c620ee$84f9b360$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> <518b7b10601240622m2d26a215hfb1419f623147dae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <25967606-3C16-492B-888C-A1E015D27889@spamcop.net> hi.. yes i mostly use Servisol for switch cleaning and lubrication with good results but I'm interested in trying De Oxit.. there seem to be many, many converts around.. I still can't find a reasonably cheap source though... I know Aerosols can't be sent airmail that may account for some of the extra cost but the UK prices still seem inflated compared to the US ones.. See the similar cans here: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=341-200 and here: http://www.walrus.co.uk/hifiacc/hifiacc.htm £10 GBP difference seems inflated to me, or have I got my imperial - metric conversion wrong!?? I've just found Wizard Distributors in Manchester: http://www.wizard-distributors.co.uk/ they seem much, much cheaper than Maplin for most similar items.. adrian On 24 Jan 2006, at 14:22, george valkov wrote: A quick check on their website shows they stock only their own brand of cleaner products plus a couple of items produced by Servisol. I personally have never had problems finding Caig products (DeOxit and Gold in particular) from the hi-fi dealers and shops I tend to buy my equipment from. Maybe it's just an issue of defining "silly prices". My impression is that the online and instore prices are the same and are set for the UK market by Caig. George On 1/24/06, Nelson wrote: > Maplins perhaps? > > Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Adrian Finn >> Sent: 24 January 2006 07:12 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack >> >> >> does anyone know if where Caig products can be bought in the UK? >> I've only seen DeOxit on some UK HiFi sites at silly prices.. >> >> adrian >> >> > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 14:40:35 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:40:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack In-Reply-To: <25967606-3C16-492B-888C-A1E015D27889@spamcop.net> References: <2EAE227D-6926-4C52-9574-EFA6429C127E@spamcop.net> <01a001c620ee$84f9b360$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> <518b7b10601240622m2d26a215hfb1419f623147dae@mail.gmail.com> <25967606-3C16-492B-888C-A1E015D27889@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <518b7b10601260540k49832facpcbb5bf4086f81f6e@mail.gmail.com> I buy almost all of my stuff from Walrus... -:) I have found US prices to be always lower than UK for anything I've been interested in. I still buy from Amazon.com rather than Amazon.co.uk - it's cheaper even with the shipping costs included. Back to Caig - unless you can find someone to bring it over from the US for you, you're stuck with having to buy at the local market price. I don't know how much of that product you'll be using - I do not service equipment professionally and use Caig only for my own home gear, i.e. maybe once a year at the most. I still have most of the Caig ProGold can I bought from Walrus 4 years ago - obviously price matters much less to me than to someone who uses a can a month. Happy hunting ! George On 1/26/06, Adrian Finn wrote: > hi.. yes i mostly use Servisol for switch cleaning and lubrication > with good results but I'm interested in trying De Oxit.. there seem > to be many, many converts around.. > > I still can't find a reasonably cheap source though... I know > Aerosols can't be sent airmail that may account for some of the extra > cost but the UK prices still seem inflated compared to the US ones.. > > See the similar cans here: > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=341-200 > > and here: > > http://www.walrus.co.uk/hifiacc/hifiacc.htm > > £10 GBP difference seems inflated to me, or have I got my imperial - > metric conversion wrong!?? > > > I've just found Wizard Distributors in Manchester: > > http://www.wizard-distributors.co.uk/ > > > they seem much, much cheaper than Maplin for most similar items.. > > > > > adrian > > > > > On 24 Jan 2006, at 14:22, george valkov wrote: > > A quick check on their website shows they stock only their own brand > of cleaner products plus a couple of items produced by Servisol. > > I personally have never had problems finding Caig products (DeOxit and > Gold in particular) from the hi-fi dealers and shops I tend to buy my > equipment from. > > Maybe it's just an issue of defining "silly prices". My impression is > that the online and instore prices are the same and are set for the UK > market by Caig. > > George > > On 1/24/06, Nelson wrote: > > Maplins perhaps? > > > > Gra' > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >> Behalf Of Adrian Finn > >> Sent: 24 January 2006 07:12 > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack > >> > >> > >> does anyone know if where Caig products can be bought in the UK? > >> I've only seen DeOxit on some UK HiFi sites at silly prices.. > >> > >> adrian > >> > >> > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 26 16:05:41 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:05:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control In-Reply-To: <43D80528.1040201@yahoo.ca> References: <001601c621fb$b54b32b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> <43D7FB74.7000702@xs4all.nl> <43D80528.1040201@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43D8E545.2050007@rcn.com> Antoine, Just looked at the circuit. It's too limited, there are only 6 functions. Won't even support the CR-7 (that requires 8 functions); let alone, more complex Naks and/or provision for some expansion. I suggest adding a hexadecimal decoder chip. This will give you 16 functions for very little added cost. Second, replace the discrete transistors and resistors (now you have 16 each) with a couple of ICs (look at the ULN2000 family. I forget which will take 5V input), for space and assembly labor saving (now you'll have 14 functions. Maybe that's enough, or keep two transistors). Third, provide for two separate DC supply inputs (will only cost 2 Schottky diodes and a cap). Fourth, with the hexadecimal decoder, you may be able to go for a smaller PIC, which will save space and cost. Otherwise, a good, clean design. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Yup, it was a typo. I fixed it! > > Wouter Heijke a écrit : > >> Hi Robert, >> I think he made a typo... this is the correct link: >> >> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/NakRemote.png >> >> There is nothing called Nek I suppose :-) >> >> Wouter >> >> rjkent at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> Antoine, >>> You earlier posted a link to your home page, where there was another >>> link to your preliminary schematic for an IR remote reciever was >>> posted. That link is not working. Could you check it, and/or email >>> me directly your schematic? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Robert Kent >>> rjkent at comcast.net >>> >>> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ your homepage >>> >>> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/NekRemote.png not working From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 26 16:12:56 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:12:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control In-Reply-To: <43D8E545.2050007@rcn.com> References: <001601c621fb$b54b32b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> <43D7FB74.7000702@xs4all.nl> <43D80528.1040201@yahoo.ca> <43D8E545.2050007@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43D8E6F8.2080807@yahoo.ca> Well, I didn't build the code for this. The project already exists. I just made a scheme with it. The real version supports 16 outputs (And 16 more with I2C). I just made a scheme to connect the DIN-8 plug to it. Ron a écrit : > > Antoine, > > Just looked at the circuit. It's too limited, > there are only 6 functions. Won't even support > the CR-7 (that requires 8 functions); let alone, > more complex Naks and/or provision for some > expansion. > > I suggest adding a hexadecimal decoder chip. This > will give you 16 functions for very little added > cost. Second, replace the discrete transistors > and resistors (now you have 16 each) with a couple > of ICs (look at the ULN2000 family. I forget which > will take 5V input), for space and assembly labor > saving (now you'll have 14 functions. Maybe that's > enough, or keep two transistors). Third, provide > for two separate DC supply inputs (will only cost > 2 Schottky diodes and a cap). Fourth, with the > hexadecimal decoder, you may be able to go for a > smaller PIC, which will save space and cost. > > Otherwise, a good, clean design. > > -- Ron > > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> Yup, it was a typo. I fixed it! >> >> Wouter Heijke a écrit : >> >>> Hi Robert, >>> I think he made a typo... this is the correct link: >>> >>> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/NakRemote.png >>> >>> There is nothing called Nek I suppose :-) >>> >>> Wouter >>> >>> rjkent at comcast.net wrote: >>> >>>> Antoine, >>>> You earlier posted a link to your home page, where there was >>>> another link to your preliminary schematic for an IR remote >>>> reciever was posted. That link is not working. Could you check >>>> it, and/or email me directly your schematic? >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Robert Kent >>>> rjkent at comcast.net >>>> >>>> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/ your homepage >>>> >>>> http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/hotcomcenter/NekRemote.png not working > From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 26 16:40:37 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:40:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack In-Reply-To: <518b7b10601260540k49832facpcbb5bf4086f81f6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I got mine at Parts Express. Very fast service and good prices http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&DID=7&WebPage_ID=3 Craig ProGold story: This stuff really works... the other day, my wife told me that she turned on our brand new, 6v flash light that we have had for about 6 months and use every night briefly to let the dogs out. She said it was getting dim, so I checked and found it was. I took the battery out and all contacts looked good, but I thought about the ProGold, so gave each contact a quick shot and wipped them off. I turned it on and the light was as bright as new and we've been using it for about a week now! I've been using it on almost everything I can think of now, cell phones, portable phone, stereo connectors, computer connectors, etc. and the best practice is to use the Deoxit first to clean the contacts, then the ProGold to preserve and enhance them. On RCA jacks, etc. I shoot some Deoxit on the plugs and in the jack, then work the plug in and out and rotate it to clean the contacts, then wait about ten minutes, shoot the ProGold on the plug and jack and wipe off any excess, wait another ten minutes, and start the equipment. Great stuff! Doane ------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:41 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack I buy almost all of my stuff from Walrus... -:) I have found US prices to be always lower than UK for anything I've been interested in. I still buy from Amazon.com rather than Amazon.co.uk - it's cheaper even with the shipping costs included. Back to Caig - unless you can find someone to bring it over from the US for you, you're stuck with having to buy at the local market price. I don't know how much of that product you'll be using - I do not service equipment professionally and use Caig only for my own home gear, i.e. maybe once a year at the most. I still have most of the Caig ProGold can I bought from Walrus 4 years ago - obviously price matters much less to me than to someone who uses a can a month. Happy hunting ! George On 1/26/06, Adrian Finn wrote: > hi.. yes i mostly use Servisol for switch cleaning and lubrication > with good results but I'm interested in trying De Oxit.. there seem > to be many, many converts around.. > > I still can't find a reasonably cheap source though... I know > Aerosols can't be sent airmail that may account for some of the extra > cost but the UK prices still seem inflated compared to the US ones.. > > See the similar cans here: > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=341-200 > > and here: > > http://www.walrus.co.uk/hifiacc/hifiacc.htm > > £10 GBP difference seems inflated to me, or have I got my imperial - > metric conversion wrong!?? > > > I've just found Wizard Distributors in Manchester: > > http://www.wizard-distributors.co.uk/ > > > they seem much, much cheaper than Maplin for most similar items.. > > > > > adrian > > > > > On 24 Jan 2006, at 14:22, george valkov wrote: > > A quick check on their website shows they stock only their own brand > of cleaner products plus a couple of items produced by Servisol. > > I personally have never had problems finding Caig products (DeOxit and > Gold in particular) from the hi-fi dealers and shops I tend to buy my > equipment from. > > Maybe it's just an issue of defining "silly prices". My impression is > that the online and instore prices are the same and are set for the UK > market by Caig. > > George > > On 1/24/06, Nelson wrote: > > Maplins perhaps? > > > > Gra' > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >> Behalf Of Adrian Finn > >> Sent: 24 January 2006 07:12 > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Caig deoxit and other stuff at Radio Shack > >> > >> > >> does anyone know if where Caig products can be bought in the UK? > >> I've only seen DeOxit on some UK HiFi sites at silly prices.. > >> > >> adrian > >> > >> > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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SJ --- Martin Short wrote: > Scott, > > That is a very impressive photograph!!, but what on earth do you > use 110 MR1's for????.. presuming you still have them hooked up as > per the photo?.. you have piqued my curiosity. > > Martin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 17:17:14 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:17:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] playback problems due to lack of use In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060126161714.5736.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For the big wheel not rotating fully it probably needs a new belt and for the very fast play, the pinch rollers are probably not engaging because of hardened grease on their pivots. That grease will need to be worked free with a solvent like 99% alcohol and then reoiled. SJ --- Ram Vemuri wrote: > Hello Nakkers, > > Before I get into what I wanted to talk about I just wanted to > chime in on > the 1000zxl that recently went for 8k. That was something, but > there's a lot > of rich people in the world so market price is what they are > willing to pay. > :) Ebay has gotten a bonanza of 1000 series naks. There's two zxls > and one > 1000 on right now. > > Now for what I really wanted to talk about. I just got hold of a > 480 that > was not used for some time because the owner got a double cassette > deck and > was not using this one. Surprise surprise, its not working anymore. > I > checked it out and this is what I found, the playback circuit has > two > problems, one is the large wheel that rotates when you press pb, ff > or rew > is not rotating all the way for play. So it doesn't engage. If I > nudge it a > bit when I press play it engages, but the playback speed is very > fast. This > was the same problem I had with the cassette deck 2 that somebody > gave me > for free hoping I could fix it. Does this sound familiar? I will > wait for > your nuggets of wisdom on this. > > PS: my nak pet peeve - wish the RCA connectors had little more > space between > them, it would make it easier to use monster rca cable (their > connectors are > big). second is wish all decks had output level control. > > PPS: enjoying my LX-3 & LX-5 everyday. A man and his decks, a > lovely story. > > Best Regards, > -- Ram Vemuri > (ramvem at hotmail.com) > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 26 18:00:00 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:00:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Remote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D90010.6020304@rcn.com> winnie pooh wrote: > > Andy, > > What you're proposing will need the original remote or a Pronto with > RM-7 codes as the Tag remote depends on the original IR signal being > sent out for it to capture. I hardly use my Tag remote ever since I got > my Pronto some years ago and nowadays you can pick one up for not much > money thru Ebay. > > To be honest, I hardly use the remote functions for the CR-7 as I have > to be there to physically put the tape in and then might as well press > play at the same time. The AV32R functions I use a lot on the remote cos > it's needed for volume control, source switching, video switching etc. > > Actually, does anyone else use their Nak remotes much? Either the > wireless CR-7 or RM580 or wired ones like RM-200, RM100, RM5, RM 15 etc? I use the CR-7 remote (actually, the codes copied into a Marantz RC-5000i) all the time. Not for recording, but for PB, which mostly what I use the deck for. -- Ron -- Ron From sendigitall at yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 18:54:53 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:54:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] classic nakamichi transport idlers and belt In-Reply-To: <200601261613.k0QGD8Yo003355@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060126175453.1236.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> i have heard much about the idler problem in newer sankyo mechanisms..and the gear updation remedy....well how long do the classic nakamichi transport idlers take to replace ?...is it a good idea to buy and stock them ...from dealers like liberman sound?...... and the capstain belts used in them(P/N OC08096C) ...as per scott's page ..it is said to be crucial ...how good do the avilable generic belts go with the system ..like one mentioned in the same page .... http://www.russellind.com/prbline/index.html and i saw this another company ..which mentions that it goes with a list of classic nak decks and other gagets .... http://www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=10385 so can we use these in our beloved naks ?....or are the originals made so good by nakamichi ..that we dont need to worry .especially the older idler tyre? about the pinch rollers....can just the rubber tyres in them be replaced ?..is it possible ?...if so... is it advisible to do it on our own or does it need a qualified service personel....and do these pinch roller tyres have specific sizes acording to the machines ..? kindly the nak gurus ..throw some light in these areas ...... thanks senthil --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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(The voting was held in secret, that's why you didn't receive a ballot). Click Kermit's Award to see Kermit and the trophy heading for home. Perhaps we should consider expanding our proposed world wide convocation of Nakophiles to include those off world who might have appreciated the broadcasts of music recorded and played back on Naks. I mean, that stuff is thirty plus light years out there by now. What do you think? Atlanta Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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There's a sticker with a model number on Sony pickups. drewes a écrit : > Can anyone advise what model Sony optical laser pickup unit was used > in this cd player? > Walter From alex at autoconsortium.com Thu Jan 26 21:58:58 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:58:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OMS-7 Nak cd player In-Reply-To: <43D9237D.4010609@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <200601261959.k0QJxSrR003165@kropotkin.circlecity.net> I have an OMS 7 as well, and it isn't working. I have replaced laser pickups before, please let me know what you find out. I need one as well. Alex > Why? You want one or have one? > > If you have one, it's easy to look at. There's a sticker with a model > number on Sony pickups. > > drewes a écrit : > > Can anyone advise what model Sony optical laser pickup unit was used > > in this cd player? > > Walter From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 26 21:06:55 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:06:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] classic nakamichi transport idlers and belt In-Reply-To: <20060126175453.1236.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060126175453.1236.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43D92BDF.4000400@rcn.com> senthil nathan wrote: > > > > i have heard much about the idler problem in newer > sankyo mechanisms..and the gear updation remedy....well how long do the > classic nakamichi transport idlers take to replace ? If you know what you are doing -- 10 to 15 minutes. And, BTW, in normal operation these tires last for about two years. Once a year, it's a good idea to clean the tire (10 minute job). > ...is it a good idea > to buy and stock them ...from dealers like liberman sound?...... Or from MCM Electronics. They cost about 60 cent apiece. > and the capstain belts used in them(P/N OC08096C) > ...as per scott's page ..it is said to be crucial ...how good do the > avilable generic belts go with the system ..like one mentioned in the > same page .... Don't know about generic belts. Original belts last a long time. Five to ten years or longer is normal. -- Ron > > http://www.russellind.com/prbline/index.html > > and i saw this another company ..which mentions that > it goes with a list of classic nak deck! s and other gagets .... > > http://www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=10385 > > so can we use these in our beloved naks ?....or > are the originals made so good by nakamichi ..that we dont need to > worry .especially the older idler tyre? > about the pinch rollers....can just the rubber tyres > in them be replaced ?..is it possible ?...if so... is it advisible to do > it on our own or does it need a qualified service personel....and do > these pinch roller tyres have specific sizes acording to the machines ..? > kindly the nak gurus ..throw some light in these > areas ...... > > thanks > senthil From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 26 21:23:42 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:23:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award In-Reply-To: <43D90FDD.7090907@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <011501c622b6$663e77c0$d98f87d9@oemcomputer> I'd say .... you're smokin' good stuff, Mike! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Moore Sent: 26 January 2006 18:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award Greetings from the awards committee for the Atlanta substation of Nakophiles, Mike Moore presiding. By unanimous vote, the committee has awarded Kermit the very rarely granted and most prestigious T-9 award for excellence demonstrated in the production of Dragons Rule, the Nak Marathon IIIa effort. (The voting was held in secret, that's why you didn't receive a ballot). Click Kermit's Award to see Kermit and the trophy heading for home. Perhaps we should consider expanding our proposed world wide convocation of Nakophiles to include those off world who might have appreciated the broadcasts of music recorded and played back on Naks. I mean, that stuff is thirty plus light years out there by now. What do you think? Atlanta Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LOL, Fred On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:22 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> > Date: January 26, 2006 10:07:25 AM PST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Greetings from the awards committee for the Atlanta substation of > Nakophiles, Mike Moore presiding. > By unanimous vote, the committee has awarded Kermit the very rarely > granted and most prestigious T-9 award for excellence demonstrated > in the production of Dragons Rule, the Nak Marathon IIIa effort. > (The voting was held in secret, that's why you didn't receive a > ballot). > Click Kermit's Award to see Kermit and the trophy heading for home. > Perhaps we should consider expanding our proposed world wide > convocation of Nakophiles to include those off world who might have > appreciated the broadcasts of music recorded and played back on > Naks. 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Three-head? > > LOL, > Fred > > On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:22 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: >> >> *From: *Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net > >> *Date: *January 26, 2006 10:07:25 AM PST >> *To: *naktalk at naks.com >> *Subject: **[naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award* >> *Reply-To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> >> >> Greetings from the awards committee for the Atlanta substation of >> Nakophiles, Mike Moore presiding. >> By unanimous vote, the committee has awarded Kermit the very rarely >> granted and most prestigious T-9 award for excellence demonstrated in >> the production of Dragons Rule, the Nak Marathon IIIa effort. (The >> voting was held in secret, that's why you didn't receive a ballot). >> Click Kermit's Award to >> see Kermit and the trophy heading for home. >> Perhaps we should consider expanding our proposed world wide >> convocation of Nakophiles to include those off world who might have >> appreciated the broadcasts of music recorded and played back on Naks. >> I mean, that stuff is thirty plus light years out there by now. What >> do you think? >> Atlanta Mike >> From tomas at tlec.se Thu Jan 26 22:01:22 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:01:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Service Manual In-Reply-To: <000001c622a1$8a0f10c0$6401a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: Thanks, Will have a look and publish it. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ken Mashlan Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:54 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Service Manual Thomas. I just uploaded two PDF files to your website - 1000zxlServiceA.pdf and 1000zxlServiceB.pdf. The B manual is the PCB boards and all their components, along with the block diagrams. The A is everything else, i.e. the disassembly, maintenance, calibration etc i.e. the "mechanicals" of the deck. Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 26 22:15:06 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:15:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award In-Reply-To: <43D90FDD.7090907@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: I love the CD, but think it should have had a LOT more info, on who produced the cuts, what they were taken from, or how they were recorded, what equipment they were recorded on and how they were edited/altered, etc., etc. I really would like to know more about each one. Thanks, Doane ...a toaster? ..."toast of the galexy?" ___________________ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Moore Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award Greetings from the awards committee for the Atlanta substation of Nakophiles, Mike Moore presiding. By unanimous vote, the committee has awarded Kermit the very rarely granted and most prestigious T-9 award for excellence demonstrated in the production of Dragons Rule, the Nak Marathon IIIa effort. (The voting was held in secret, that's why you didn't receive a ballot). Click Kermit's Award to see Kermit and the trophy heading for home. Perhaps we should consider expanding our proposed world wide convocation of Nakophiles to include those off world who might have appreciated the broadcasts of music recorded and played back on Naks. I mean, that stuff is thirty plus light years out there by now. What do you think? Atlanta Mike From 3ld at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 26 22:28:19 2006 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:28:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D93EF3.6070006@bellsouth.net> I'll work on getting you some more information of the kind you mentioned and post it on Naktalk. Atlanta Mike Doane Hoag wrote: >I love the CD, but think it should have had a LOT more info, on who produced >the cuts, what they were taken from, or how they were recorded, what >equipment they were recorded on and how they were edited/altered, etc., etc. >I really would like to know more about each one. >Thanks, >Doane > >...a toaster? ..."toast of the galexy?" > >___________________ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Michael Moore >Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:07 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award > > >Greetings from the awards committee for the Atlanta substation of >Nakophiles, Mike Moore presiding. >By unanimous vote, the committee has awarded Kermit the very rarely granted >and most prestigious T-9 award for excellence demonstrated in the production >of Dragons Rule, the Nak Marathon IIIa effort. (The voting was held in >secret, that's why you didn't receive a ballot). >Click Kermit's Award to see Kermit and the trophy heading for home. >Perhaps we should consider expanding our proposed world wide convocation of >Nakophiles to include those off world who might have appreciated the >broadcasts of music recorded and played back on Naks. I mean, that stuff is >thirty plus light years out there by now. What do you think? >Atlanta Mike > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Jan 27 02:15:34 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:15:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Difference between &700 TRi-Tracer and 700II?? Message-ID: Hello , I am currently in search of a second Nak 700 unit. Are all parts interchangable for these two units-the 700 Tri-Tracer and the 700II? I checked the Naktalk "NAKS" page, and ther are a few discernable differences.Of course, the 700II is the later ,late 70's production model, with some upgrades according to the data on the "NAKS" page.I could add the 700II to my "WANT"list if all major parts could be interchanged, for a parts replacement unit.I think 3 units of any particular model is the ideal amount to stock.Thats why I have three RX 303's now.All of them work fine. That way, you could have two working units and one working/dedicated parts donor unit. Of course, the more units you stock, the better(101 MR1"s????) -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 27 06:29:33 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:29:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Kermit wins Major Award Message-ID: Hi Kermit.....Bravo you deserve such Sublime Award! Go forward always!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Kermit wins Major Award >Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:57:36 -0500 > >Hehehe. Congrats to Kermit! > >Fred Lifton a �crit : >>Wow, that's what I call a Major Award. Of course it's an analog toaster, >>right? Three-head? >> >>LOL, >>Fred >> >>On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:22 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com >> wrote: >>> >>>*From: *Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net > >>>*Date: *January 26, 2006 10:07:25 AM PST >>>*To: *naktalk at naks.com >>>*Subject: **[naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award* >>>*Reply-To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>> >>> >>>Greetings from the awards committee for the Atlanta substation of >>>Nakophiles, Mike Moore presiding. >>>By unanimous vote, the committee has awarded Kermit the very rarely >>>granted and most prestigious T-9 award for excellence demonstrated in the >>>production of Dragons Rule, the Nak Marathon IIIa effort. (The voting was >>>held in secret, that's why you didn't receive a ballot). >>>Click Kermit's Award to see >>>Kermit and the trophy heading for home. >>>Perhaps we should consider expanding our proposed world wide convocation >>>of Nakophiles to include those off world who might have appreciated the >>>broadcasts of music recorded and played back on Naks. I mean, that stuff >>>is thirty plus light years out there by now. What do you think? >>>Atlanta Mike >>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 27 06:35:55 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:35:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Difference between &700 TRi-Tracer and 700II?? Message-ID: Hi Jerry! If...I'm NOT wrong...the heads block are a little bit different..& the door window (Wider on the series 2), internally also...but I'm NOT 100% sure most are the same! As my first TT 1000 was the series 2...so I once read that they change the "Heads block"...better in the series 2 units. Good Luck! ALEX! >From: jerryjg >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Difference between &700 TRi-Tracer and 700II?? >Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:15:34 -0600 > >Hello , I am currently in search of a second Nak 700 unit. Are all parts >interchangable for these two units-the 700 Tri-Tracer and the 700II? I >checked the Naktalk "NAKS" page, and ther are a few discernable >differences.Of course, the 700II is the later ,late 70's production model, >with some upgrades according to the data on the "NAKS" page.I could add >the 700II to my "WANT"list if all major parts could be interchanged, for a >parts replacement unit.I think 3 units of any particular model is the >ideal amount to stock.Thats why I have three RX 303's now.All of them work >fine. That way, you could have two working units and one working/dedicated >parts donor unit. Of course, the more units you stock, the better(101 >MR1"s????) > >-- >The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > >Dear Mr Boeing, > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as >well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > Yours sincerely, > Pan Am >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 27 07:16:01 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:16:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award In-Reply-To: <43D90FDD.7090907@bellsouth.net> References: <43D90FDD.7090907@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <43D9BAA1.60408@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Michael, Bala, Graham, Doane, Fred, Alex, and all those who ordered copies of the Nakathon IIIa, Michael Moore wrote: > Greetings from the awards committee for the Atlanta substation of > Nakophiles, Mike Moore presiding. > By unanimous vote, the committee has awarded Kermit the very rarely > granted and most prestigious T-9 award for excellence demonstrated in > the production of Dragons Rule, the Nak Marathon IIIa effort. (The > voting was held in secret, that's why you didn't receive a ballot). > Click Kermit's Award to see > Kermit and the trophy heading for home. > Perhaps we should consider expanding our proposed world wide convocation > of Nakophiles to include those off world who might have appreciated the > broadcasts of music recorded and played back on Naks. I mean, that stuff > is thirty plus light years out there by now. What do you think? I'm thrilled! A genuine rare Nakamichi Dragon Toaster! The one with automatic bread slice azimuth and auto-bagle! Far out! I humbly accept this award on behalf of all the two-head Nakamichi decks who helped make this possible. Makes me wish I had two heads. Wait a minute -- I do! EEK! Seriously, I apreciate the well wishes. It has been a fun project. Most of you do not know this, but the fate of my studio and my tentative plans to restart my 1970s record labels, American Biograph & Mutophone Records (live recordings only) and Migmatrope Records (studio releases and demos), has been awaiting the results of how the Nakathon IIIa CDs and cassettes were received. I've been debating whether to complete the studio, and if so, how to complete it. Well, the results are in, and have been a pleasant surprise: everyone who heard both the cassettes and the CDs has told me that, although the CDs are excellent, they enjoy the cassettes more. Two of you gently chided me off-list for being overly critical of the cassettes. Guilty. So, I will be completing the rebirth of my record label, in a manner far different from my original concept, combining both of the former labels into (tentatively) Migmatrope Records. Here's the difference, though -- all the upcoming releases will be available only on real-time duplicated cassette, RTD reel-to-reel and two LP formats. No CDs. I'm planning to focus manly on live recordings, done mainly on my Nak 550s, of course. So, this group helped me optimize the course of some of my business plans. I'm grateful. (By the way, I'm looking forward to hearing some recordings made live via Nak for upcoming Nakathon IIIb (cassettes made with mics onto Nak decks). > Atlanta Mike I'll have to design and build one. An Atlanta mic I mean. Should it be a dynamic mic with the magnet aligned with the South pole leading? I wonder. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 27 07:16:52 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:16:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Kermit wins Major Award In-Reply-To: <43D937C0.7010503@yahoo.ca> References: <200601262022.k0QKLxeJ004155@zxe.naks.com> <5CFB18CC-33E0-49F4-8CAE-5108CBAE07DE@mac.com> <43D937C0.7010503@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43D9BAD4.1040902@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hehehe. Congrats to Kermit! Thanks! Much appreciated! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 27 07:37:52 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:37:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 550 as good as new In-Reply-To: <43D8B918.6040105@peromarta.org> References: <43D8B918.6040105@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <43D9BFC0.7050507@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Luis, Luis Peromarta wrote: > I just got me a 550, in "as new" condition, with little or no use at all. > > I'd like to have it calibrated and checked, but no one is willing to > take care of it in Europe. I'll try to find myself a Service Manual, and > do it myself. Any special consideration? Kermit? Congratulations on your 550. For a manual, try this link Kent Merideth sent me: http://staffweb.anderson.edu/~khmerideth/nak550_sm.zip Some basic test gear would be a great help to you -- multimeter or VTVM, oscilloscope, and oscillator (also pretentiously known as a "function generator." Please.]. Nothing fancy needed. IF you can afford a matching set of the Neutrik Mini-Lyzer and Mini-Rator then you'll be quite well equipped with two pieces that can let even a beginner do pro-quality adjustment and alignment of tape recorders. You'll need a calibration cassette for Type I and II tape types. No one makes an IEC1-EQed tape new. I will be offering a set later this year. Until then you can get by with a standard type if you ignore the tones above 10,000 cps. OK, OK, I know that this is a compromise but it will get you up and running if need be. If you want, I can make you a quick-n-dirty combination calibration cassette/azimuth cassette off of my 550. Not as flawless as the upcoming calibration tapes but good enough for all but the most stringent applications. For hand tools, I'd strongly urge you to buy a set of JIS or Japanese cross-point screwdrivers. The screws LOOK like Philips but they aren't -- they're JIS. A Philips screwdriver will strip out the screws' heads. Also get a precision longnose pliers, like Xcelite, Erem, Wiha and so on. If you do not have one already, you'll need a good head demagnetizer. The Annis Han D Mag is THE best. Get a non-linty, non-snagging blanket for your workbench so yu do not scratch the deck up as you work on it. Better yet, buy one of those tabletop workpads that luthiers or guitarists use in their shop for repairing and cleaning music instruments. Hope this helps! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From ramvem at hotmail.com Fri Jan 27 09:38:04 2006 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:38:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] cable review - monster m350i & 400mkII Message-ID: Hi Fellow Nakkers, I upgraded my stereo cables and thought I'd put out the results of what I heard. I know some of you think Monster cable sells snake oil and I apologize if you're one of them. The thing is, if a regular guy like me wants to upgrade his cables, monster is the only "affordable" option. The only things below it are nondescript skinny looking cables, and the other premium cables are all sold in specialist stores and cost $100+. Anyway, here's my review. Reviewed products: just purchased Monster M350i 2m rca pair - $50 Interlink (now Monster Interlink) 8ft rca pair - bought 2 years back maybe $30 or so my earlier set - Radio shack brand 6ft pair - $7 Equipment: LX-5 connected to Onkyo receiver & speakers. The way I tested was really really cumbersome. I kept pulling the nak out of the cabinet to switch the cable and moving the speaker to get behind the reciever. Anyway it was a pain but I did the testing with frequently switching back and forth. I tried to switch in the middle of the track always and tried out different volume levels too. I was surprised at how good the Radio Shack cables were. At reasonable listening volume there was no difference at all between all of them. When I raised the volume I felt it was just a tad below the other two. The monster cable sounded more natural, hard to describe exactly, but it felt like there were more sounds that I was hearing, similar to when I switch between my HK & my Nak. The M350i had directional arrow on it, god knows why. It also had a 8-cut turbine cut connector. However it didn't fit very snugly. I tried to hand-compress it and tried it again. Anyway the sound was very clear and I'm very happy with it. The Interlink cable was the best in my opinion. I bought it couple of years back. I don't remember the model number, but it was about $25-$30. Anyway it weighed less than the M350i & didn't have direction arrows. It sounded very very good. If I had to choose I wouldn't spend 2x the money to go for the directional M-series cable. I looked around monster cable website to see if I could figure out the model number but didn't find anything that looks like it. Some folks have suggested breaking in the cable and I did this after using the M350i for some time. Best Regards, -- Ram Vemuri (ramvem at hotmail.com) From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 27 10:31:15 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:31:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cable review - monster m350i & 400mkII Message-ID: Hi Ram! I'm also a Monster interconnects fan...however mine are the "Top" ones 1000 i...only, my speaker cable is Not Monster one, as I use only One speaker (Mono listening), my speaker one meter, length is from Audioquest "Midnight +" model. Satisfies my needs! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Ram Vemuri" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] cable review - monster m350i & 400mkII >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:38:04 -0800 > >Hi Fellow Nakkers, > >I upgraded my stereo cables and thought I'd put out the results of what I >heard. I know some of you think Monster cable sells snake oil and I >apologize if you're one of them. The thing is, if a regular guy like me >wants to upgrade his cables, monster is the only "affordable" option. The >only things below it are nondescript skinny looking cables, and the other >premium cables are all sold in specialist stores and cost $100+. Anyway, >here's my review. > >Reviewed products: >just purchased Monster M350i 2m rca pair - $50 >Interlink (now Monster Interlink) 8ft rca pair - bought 2 years back maybe >$30 or so >my earlier set - Radio shack brand 6ft pair - $7 > >Equipment: LX-5 connected to Onkyo receiver & speakers. > >The way I tested was really really cumbersome. I kept pulling the nak out >of the cabinet to switch the cable and moving the speaker to get behind the >reciever. Anyway it was a pain but I did the testing with frequently >switching back and forth. I tried to switch in the middle of the track >always and tried out different volume levels too. > >I was surprised at how good the Radio Shack cables were. At reasonable >listening volume there was no difference at all between all of them. When I >raised the volume I felt it was just a tad below the other two. The monster >cable sounded more natural, hard to describe exactly, but it felt like >there were more sounds that I was hearing, similar to when I switch between >my HK & my Nak. > >The M350i had directional arrow on it, god knows why. It also had a 8-cut >turbine cut connector. However it didn't fit very snugly. I tried to >hand-compress it and tried it again. Anyway the sound was very clear and >I'm very happy with it. > >The Interlink cable was the best in my opinion. I bought it couple of years >back. I don't remember the model number, but it was about $25-$30. Anyway >it weighed less than the M350i & didn't have direction arrows. It sounded >very very good. If I had to choose I wouldn't spend 2x the money to go for >the directional M-series cable. I looked around monster cable website to >see if I could figure out the model number but didn't find anything that >looks like it. Some folks have suggested breaking in the cable and I did >this after using the M350i for some time. > >Best Regards, >-- Ram Vemuri >(ramvem at hotmail.com) > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Jan 27 10:46:52 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:46:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Should ress "STOP" before FF/RW? Message-ID: Should I Press "STOP" before I hit "Fast Forward" or "Rewind" while in "PLAy" Mode?My deck is Microprocessor controlled RX-303, so that might make a difference as opposed to old IC logic decks Like the 700 TRi-Tracer would it? -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Jan 27 10:52:50 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:52:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cable review - monster m350i & 400mkII In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:31:15 -0600, Alex Cozac wrote: Alex,Dear Boy, Time to get one other speaker same model, maybe, or two new ones, and place "ST er EO" > Hi Ram! > > I'm also a Monster interconnects fan...however mine are the "Top" ones > 1000 i...only, my speaker cable is Not Monster one, as I use only One > speaker (Mono listening), my speaker one meter, length is from > Audioquest "Midnight +" model. > > Satisfies my needs! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: "Ram Vemuri" >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] cable review - monster m350i & 400mkII >> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:38:04 -0800 >> >> Hi Fellow Nakkers, >> >> I upgraded my stereo cables and thought I'd put out the results of what >> I heard. I know some of you think Monster cable sells snake oil and I >> apologize if you're one of them. The thing is, if a regular guy like me >> wants to upgrade his cables, monster is the only "affordable" option. >> The only things below it are nondescript skinny looking cables, and the >> other premium cables are all sold in specialist stores and cost $100+. >> Anyway, here's my review. >> >> Reviewed products: >> just purchased Monster M350i 2m rca pair - $50 >> Interlink (now Monster Interlink) 8ft rca pair - bought 2 years back >> maybe $30 or so >> my earlier set - Radio shack brand 6ft pair - $7 >> >> Equipment: LX-5 connected to Onkyo receiver & speakers. >> >> The way I tested was really really cumbersome. I kept pulling the nak >> out of the cabinet to switch the cable and moving the speaker to get >> behind the reciever. Anyway it was a pain but I did the testing with >> frequently switching back and forth. I tried to switch in the middle of >> the track always and tried out different volume levels too. >> >> I was surprised at how good the Radio Shack cables were. At reasonable >> listening volume there was no difference at all between all of them. >> When I raised the volume I felt it was just a tad below the other two. >> The monster cable sounded more natural, hard to describe exactly, but >> it felt like there were more sounds that I was hearing, similar to when >> I switch between my HK & my Nak. >> >> The M350i had directional arrow on it, god knows why. It also had a >> 8-cut turbine cut connector. However it didn't fit very snugly. I tried >> to hand-compress it and tried it again. Anyway the sound was very clear >> and I'm very happy with it. >> >> The Interlink cable was the best in my opinion. I bought it couple of >> years back. I don't remember the model number, but it was about >> $25-$30. Anyway it weighed less than the M350i & didn't have direction >> arrows. It sounded very very good. If I had to choose I wouldn't spend >> 2x the money to go for the directional M-series cable. I looked around >> monster cable website to see if I could figure out the model number but >> didn't find anything that looks like it. Some folks have suggested >> breaking in the cable and I did this after using the M350i for some >> time. >> >> Best Regards, >> -- Ram Vemuri >> (ramvem at hotmail.com) >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 27 14:19:38 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:19:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Should ress "STOP" before FF/RW? Message-ID: Hi Jerry! If it's similarly to my Dragon NO...you can go directly from FF to RF, or to play with press stop...the microprocessor will "Stop" the tape, just before enter to any selected or pressed button! Equally as the TT 700/1000, etc! Enjoy your deck! ALEX! >From: jerryjg >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Should ress "STOP" before FF/RW? >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:46:52 -0600 > > >Should I Press "STOP" before I hit "Fast Forward" or "Rewind" while in >"PLAy" Mode?My deck is Microprocessor controlled RX-303, so that might >make a difference as opposed to old IC logic decks Like the 700 TRi-Tracer >would it? >-- >The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > >Dear Mr Boeing, > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as >well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > Yours sincerely, > Pan Am >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Fri Jan 27 15:59:00 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:59:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cable review - monster m350i & 400mkII References: Message-ID: <003901c62352$38562d20$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "Ram Vemuri" > I upgraded my stereo cables and thought I'd put out the results of what I > heard. I know some of you think Monster cable sells snake oil and I > apologize if you're one of them. The thing is, if a regular guy like me > wants to upgrade his cables, monster is the only "affordable" option. > The only things below it are nondescript skinny looking cables, and the > other premium cables are all sold in specialist stores and cost $100+. > Anyway, My problem with Monster is that they're grossly overpriced for the quality of construction one gets. I had a bunch of Monster cables when I was first getting into higher end audio and had trouble with ends coming off as the cables were poorly assembled. If you think they're the only affordable option, you haven't looked very hard. Give Blue Jeans Cable (http://www.bluejeanscable) a look. They use quality parts, assemble them properly, and charge very reasonable prices. I've switched to using their products in my entire home theater / audio system and am VERY pleased with the quality and it didn't cost me a fortune. > The M350i had directional arrow on it, god knows why. More snake oil... > It also had a 8-cut turbine cut connector. However it didn't fit very > snugly. Typical Monster - their connectors are either loose or have a death grip thanks to their wonderful quality control. Bottom line is that if you're happy with your cables, that's good enough for me. But I do think you'd find the assembly quality of just about any other cable company's products to be superior and the sound not much (if any) different in a controlled listening test. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From sendigitall at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 16:14:55 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:14:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] old idler ,new idler difference In-Reply-To: <200601271101.k0RB0twL007217@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060127151456.69575.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> is there any difference between the idler tyres used in older classic nakamichi transports and the newer ones like the BX CR series?.. does the older nak idler tyres last long ?... anyway i couldnt find any nakamichi idler tyres in MCM electronics.. regards senthil --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 17:13:48 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:13:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] old idler ,new idler difference In-Reply-To: <20060127151456.69575.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060127161348.30629.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The older ider and new idler are totally different. The old one is much larger and lasts for 10 years+. The new idler is about the size of a nickel and only lasts a couple years. MCM used to have the new idler, but, they no longer list that P/N. Jeff from ESL sells the new idler on his web site http://www.eslabs.com/parts.htm There is a guy selling them on ebay for about 1/2 as much Item number: 5854906267 Or from lieberman http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=53 Lieberman also has the old type http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=67 If anyone has any other sources please let me know and I'll add them to my web site. SJ --- senthil nathan wrote: > is there any difference between the idler tyres used in older > classic nakamichi transports and the newer ones like the BX CR > series?.. > does the older nak idler tyres > last long ?... > > anyway i couldnt find any nakamichi idler tyres in MCM > electronics.. > > regards > senthil > > > --------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 27 17:23:00 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:23:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Difference between &700 TRi-Tracer and 700II?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43DA48E4.7070705@rcn.com> Alex is right. The main selling point for the 700 II was the new head, that was said to last a lot longer than the original 700 head. Still, I sold my original 700 (bought new) after 6 year of comparatively heavy use, with the heads still in like-new condition. -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Jerry! > > If...I'm NOT wrong...the heads block are a little bit different..& the > door window (Wider on the series 2), internally also...but I'm NOT 100% > sure most are the same! As my first TT 1000 was the series 2...so I once > read that they change the "Heads block"...better in the series 2 units. > > Good Luck! > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: jerryjg >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Difference between &700 TRi-Tracer and 700II?? >> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:15:34 -0600 >> >> Hello , I am currently in search of a second Nak 700 unit. Are all >> parts interchangable for these two units-the 700 Tri-Tracer and the >> 700II? I checked the Naktalk "NAKS" page, and ther are a few >> discernable differences.Of course, the 700II is the later ,late 70's >> production model, with some upgrades according to the data on the >> "NAKS" page.I could add the 700II to my "WANT"list if all major parts >> could be interchanged, for a parts replacement unit.I think 3 units >> of any particular model is the ideal amount to stock.Thats why I have >> three RX 303's now.All of them work fine. That way, you could have >> two working units and one working/dedicated parts donor unit. Of >> course, the more units you stock, the better(101 MR1"s????) >> >> -- >> The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >> >> Dear Mr Boeing, >> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty >> as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. >> Yours sincerely, >> Pan Am From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 27 17:37:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:37:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cable review - monster m350i & 400mkII In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43DA4C33.60304@rcn.com> I am sure you have heard this before, but it bears repeating: your listening tests were completely meaningless unless they were double blind or (at least) blind. The reason is that minute differences are very difficult to distinguish from no differences at all. Our brain plays tricks on us, that swamp what the ear physically hears. You can repeat the test with other people doing the listening and you replacing the cables, provided you keep a dead pan and are careful not to give the data away in word or gesture. To be meaningful, the listeners' response should be statistically meaningful (meaning, significantly correlate with the actual cables). I suspect you will be surprised by the results. -- Ron Ram Vemuri wrote: > Hi Fellow Nakkers, > > I upgraded my stereo cables and thought I'd put out the results of what > I heard. I know some of you think Monster cable sells snake oil and I > apologize if you're one of them. The thing is, if a regular guy like me > wants to upgrade his cables, monster is the only "affordable" option. > The only things below it are nondescript skinny looking cables, and the > other premium cables are all sold in specialist stores and cost $100+. > Anyway, here's my review. > > Reviewed products: > just purchased Monster M350i 2m rca pair - $50 > Interlink (now Monster Interlink) 8ft rca pair - bought 2 years back > maybe $30 or so > my earlier set - Radio shack brand 6ft pair - $7 > > Equipment: LX-5 connected to Onkyo receiver & speakers. > > The way I tested was really really cumbersome. I kept pulling the nak > out of the cabinet to switch the cable and moving the speaker to get > behind the reciever. Anyway it was a pain but I did the testing with > frequently switching back and forth. I tried to switch in the middle of > the track always and tried out different volume levels too. > > I was surprised at how good the Radio Shack cables were. At reasonable > listening volume there was no difference at all between all of them. > When I raised the volume I felt it was just a tad below the other two. > The monster cable sounded more natural, hard to describe exactly, but it > felt like there were more sounds that I was hearing, similar to when I > switch between my HK & my Nak. > > The M350i had directional arrow on it, god knows why. It also had a > 8-cut turbine cut connector. However it didn't fit very snugly. I tried > to hand-compress it and tried it again. Anyway the sound was very clear > and I'm very happy with it. > > The Interlink cable was the best in my opinion. I bought it couple of > years back. I don't remember the model number, but it was about $25-$30. > Anyway it weighed less than the M350i & didn't have direction arrows. It > sounded very very good. If I had to choose I wouldn't spend 2x the money > to go for the directional M-series cable. I looked around monster cable > website to see if I could figure out the model number but didn't find > anything that looks like it. Some folks have suggested breaking in the > cable and I did this after using the M350i for some time. > > Best Regards, > -- Ram Vemuri > (ramvem at hotmail.com) From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 27 17:38:46 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:38:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Should ress "STOP" before FF/RW? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43DA4C96.50709@rcn.com> jerryjg wrote: > > Should I Press "STOP" before I hit "Fast Forward" or "Rewind" while in > "PLAy" Mode? Not with Nak decks, they do it for you. > My deck is Microprocessor controlled RX-303, so that might > make a difference as opposed to old IC logic decks Like the 700 > TRi-Tracer would it? No, it doesn't. -- Ron > --The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > > Dear Mr Boeing, > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as > well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > Yours sincerely, > Pan Am > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ramvem at hotmail.com Fri Jan 27 18:17:00 2006 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:17:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] cable review - monster m350i & 400mkII In-Reply-To: <003901c62352$38562d20$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: Hi Geoffrey, Thanks for the link. I didn't know about this company. I will try it out next time. I agree the connectors were not great. I have a general question about connectors. Is there an intrinsic advantage for the connector to be tapered and have grooves. I'm comparing this to the regular cylindrical connectors. The tapered ones with grooves should give a snug fit but don't you lose on contact surface area (only the edges are in contact). Best Regards, -- Ram Vemuri (ramvem at hotmail.com) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: Re: [naktalk] cable review - monster m350i & 400mkII Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:59:00 -0500 From: "Ram Vemuri" >I upgraded my stereo cables and thought I'd put out the results of what I >heard. I know some of you think Monster cable sells snake oil and I >apologize if you're one of them. The thing is, if a regular guy like me >wants to upgrade his cables, monster is the only "affordable" option. >The only things below it are nondescript skinny looking cables, and the >other premium cables are all sold in specialist stores and cost $100+. >Anyway, My problem with Monster is that they're grossly overpriced for the quality of construction one gets. I had a bunch of Monster cables when I was first getting into higher end audio and had trouble with ends coming off as the cables were poorly assembled. If you think they're the only affordable option, you haven't looked very hard. Give Blue Jeans Cable (http://www.bluejeanscable) a look. They use quality parts, assemble them properly, and charge very reasonable prices. I've switched to using their products in my entire home theater / audio system and am VERY pleased with the quality and it didn't cost me a fortune. >The M350i had directional arrow on it, god knows why. More snake oil... >It also had a 8-cut turbine cut connector. However it didn't fit very >snugly. Typical Monster - their connectors are either loose or have a death grip thanks to their wonderful quality control. Bottom line is that if you're happy with your cables, that's good enough for me. But I do think you'd find the assembly quality of just about any other cable company's products to be superior and the sound not much (if any) different in a controlled listening test. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tpfinn at btinternet.com Fri Jan 27 18:25:04 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:25:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Difference between &700 TRi-Tracer and 700II?? References: <43DA48E4.7070705@rcn.com> Message-ID: <006b01c62366$9cd3cb40$e8ca8656@compaq> Hi All Don't forget the multi wheeled Idler Assy in the 700 and 1000 (Tendency for rubbers to wear, go noisy resulting in poor rewind FF) System totally re-designed for Mk11 versions. Can't quite remember at this stage if they were interchangeable. Never had to touch the new versions ever! Tape travel and erasure was also much improved, due in part to new type erase head assy. Play head Tape lifter fitted (as did the 600 11) Might be worth checking record head azimuth circuits on the 700/100 Mk11's as I seem to remember this was improved. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Difference between &700 TRi-Tracer and 700II?? > > Alex is right. The main selling point for the 700 II > was the new head, that was said to last a lot longer > than the original 700 head. Still, I sold my original > 700 (bought new) after 6 year of comparatively heavy > use, with the heads still in like-new condition. > > -- Ron > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > Hi Jerry! > > > > If...I'm NOT wrong...the heads block are a little bit different..& the > > door window (Wider on the series 2), internally also...but I'm NOT 100% > > sure most are the same! As my first TT 1000 was the series 2...so I once > > read that they change the "Heads block"...better in the series 2 units. > > > > Good Luck! > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: jerryjg > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Subject: [naktalk] Difference between &700 TRi-Tracer and 700II?? > >> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:15:34 -0600 > >> > >> Hello , I am currently in search of a second Nak 700 unit. Are all > >> parts interchangable for these two units-the 700 Tri-Tracer and the > >> 700II? I checked the Naktalk "NAKS" page, and ther are a few > >> discernable differences.Of course, the 700II is the later ,late 70's > >> production model, with some upgrades according to the data on the > >> "NAKS" page.I could add the 700II to my "WANT"list if all major parts > >> could be interchanged, for a parts replacement unit.I think 3 units > >> of any particular model is the ideal amount to stock.Thats why I have > >> three RX 303's now.All of them work fine. That way, you could have > >> two working units and one working/dedicated parts donor unit. Of > >> course, the more units you stock, the better(101 MR1"s????) > >> > >> -- > >> The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > >> > >> Dear Mr Boeing, > >> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty > >> as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > >> Yours sincerely, > >> Pan Am > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/242 - Release Date: 26/01/06 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 27 21:50:42 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:50:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My Sound System... In-Reply-To: <25967606-3C16-492B-888C-A1E015D27889@spamcop.net> References: <2EAE227D-6926-4C52-9574-EFA6429C127E@spamcop.net> <01a001c620ee$84f9b360$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> <518b7b10601240622m2d26a215hfb1419f623147dae@mail.gmail.com> <25967606-3C16-492B-888C-A1E015D27889@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <43DA87A2.7020402@rcn.com> With everyone showing off their system, I thought I'd do the same, so here goes: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ronami/album?.dir=/8a51&.src=ph There are three pictures. In addition to the long shot of the whole shebang, I also shot the left and right equipment towers separately. A quick rundown of the equipment... Starting with the right tower top shelf, going down shelf by shelf: Preamplifier: Integra Research (the high end subsidiary of Onkyo) model RDC-7.1. This is a modular preamp, utilizing plug in cards for various functions. This one is almost fully loaded, with only one slot empty. DVD player: Pioneer DV-59AVi, that I also use for playing CDs when I want the highest quality. VCR: The venerable Toshiba SV-F990 S-VHS VCR, the Nak of VCRs (with such features as assemble editor, scanner for putting picture onto the video, etc. Vintage (meaning, O-L-D), but still putting out excellent video. On top of VCR: Sima SCC, used to tweak video for recording. Denon AVP-8000. This is my old preamp, that I kept on after replacing it with the RDC-7.1. First, because it contains an AC-3 RF decoder for watching DD laser discs and, second, because its tuner has RDS functionality. The RDC-7.1 has neither feature. On the left tower, starting at the top: Turntable: ReVox B791 with Shure V15-VMR phono cartridge. Cassette deck: Nakamichi CR-7 (what else?). On top of the deck sits an X-10 receiver that controls On/Off operation for the turntable, cassette deck and carousel CD player below, in addition to controlling the lighting on both towers. CD player: Denon DMC-560. Sonically not as good as the Pioneer (and it plays neither SACDs nor DVD-As), but its carousel is great for non-stop background music. Cable TV STB: Motorola DCT-6200. Allows getting the few (very few) available HDTV channels. In the center is a Toshiba TW-65H80 65" TV set. This is an unmitigated piece of crap and the last, ever, Toshiba product to find its way into my home. Picture quality is quite acceptable, though. Above the TV, to the right, is a Hitachi VM-H710A. Wired for PB only (who wants to record into a camcorder?) and rarely used. Main speakers: a pair of Aerial Acoustics 10Ts (You can see one). Center speaker: Aerial Acoustics CC3. Not shown are the rear pair of surround speakers: Aerial Acoustics SR3. Off to the right hides a Velodyne FRS-15 sub woofer. Also not shown are the power amplifiers: Aragon 8008-ST two channel and 8008-X3 three channel beasts (200 WPC into 8 ohms ands 400 WPC into 4 ohms. The Aerial acoustics are roughly 6 ohms, so they have available approximately 300 W apiece). These are mounted to the wall in the garage, directly under the system. I didn't expect this to be this long... If you are still with me, my hat off to you... -- Ron From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jan 27 22:18:57 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:18:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My Sound System... In-Reply-To: <43DA87A2.7020402@rcn.com> References: <2EAE227D-6926-4C52-9574-EFA6429C127E@spamcop.net> <01a001c620ee$84f9b360$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> <518b7b10601240622m2d26a215hfb1419f623147dae@mail.gmail.com> <25967606-3C16-492B-888C-A1E015D27889@spamcop.net> <43DA87A2.7020402@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43DA8E41.90205@yahoo.ca> Looks better than mine! ;-) Oh, and by the way, I think you forgot something in your right tower. There are just 5 descriptions, but I see 6 different boxes. LaserDisc? You talk about one in your Denon preamp description but there's no description of a LaserDisc player. Ron a écrit : > > With everyone showing off their system, I thought > I'd do the same, so here goes: > > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ronami/album?.dir=/8a51&.src=ph > > There are three pictures. In addition to the > long shot of the whole shebang, I also shot > the left and right equipment towers separately. > > A quick rundown of the equipment... Starting > with the right tower top shelf, going down > shelf by shelf: > > Preamplifier: Integra Research (the high end > subsidiary of Onkyo) model RDC-7.1. This is a > modular preamp, utilizing plug in cards for > various functions. This one is almost fully > loaded, with only one slot empty. > > DVD player: Pioneer DV-59AVi, that I also use > for playing CDs when I want the highest quality. > > VCR: The venerable Toshiba SV-F990 S-VHS VCR, > the Nak of VCRs (with such features as assemble > editor, scanner for putting picture onto the > video, etc. Vintage (meaning, O-L-D), but still > putting out excellent video. > > On top of VCR: Sima SCC, used to tweak video > for recording. > > Denon AVP-8000. This is my old preamp, that I > kept on after replacing it with the RDC-7.1. > First, because it contains an AC-3 RF decoder > for watching DD laser discs and, second, > because its tuner has RDS functionality. The > RDC-7.1 has neither feature. > > On the left tower, starting at the top: > > Turntable: ReVox B791 with Shure V15-VMR phono > cartridge. > > Cassette deck: Nakamichi CR-7 (what else?). On > top of the deck sits an X-10 receiver that > controls On/Off operation for the turntable, > cassette deck and carousel CD player below, in > addition to controlling the lighting on both > towers. > > CD player: Denon DMC-560. Sonically not as good > as the Pioneer (and it plays neither SACDs nor > DVD-As), but its carousel is great for non-stop > background music. > > Cable TV STB: Motorola DCT-6200. Allows getting > the few (very few) available HDTV channels. > > In the center is a Toshiba TW-65H80 65" TV set. > This is an unmitigated piece of crap and the > last, ever, Toshiba product to find its way into > my home. Picture quality is quite acceptable, > though. > > Above the TV, to the right, is a Hitachi VM-H710A. > Wired for PB only (who wants to record into a > camcorder?) and rarely used. > > Main speakers: a pair of Aerial Acoustics 10Ts > (You can see one). Center speaker: Aerial > Acoustics CC3. Not shown are the rear pair > of surround speakers: Aerial Acoustics SR3. Off > to the right hides a Velodyne FRS-15 sub woofer. > > Also not shown are the power amplifiers: Aragon > 8008-ST two channel and 8008-X3 three channel > beasts (200 WPC into 8 ohms ands 400 WPC into 4 > ohms. The Aerial acoustics are roughly 6 ohms, > so they have available approximately 300 W > apiece). These are mounted to the wall in the > garage, directly under the system. > > I didn't expect this to be this long... If you > are still with me, my hat off to you... > > -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 27 23:07:55 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:07:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My Sound System... In-Reply-To: <43DA8E41.90205@yahoo.ca> References: <2EAE227D-6926-4C52-9574-EFA6429C127E@spamcop.net> <01a001c620ee$84f9b360$ecbb87d9@oemcomputer> <518b7b10601240622m2d26a215hfb1419f623147dae@mail.gmail.com> <25967606-3C16-492B-888C-A1E015D27889@spamcop.net> <43DA87A2.7020402@rcn.com> <43DA8E41.90205@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43DA99BB.7070006@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Looks better than mine! ;-) > > Oh, and by the way, I think you forgot something in your right tower. > There are just 5 descriptions, but I see 6 different boxes. > > LaserDisc? You talk about one in your Denon preamp description but > there's no description of a LaserDisc player. Oh, what a horrible Ooops... The Pioneer LDD-D704 is the lowest component in the right tower. Eventually, I'll get rid of it, but in the meantime, I have about 250 titles, many of which I watch often. Mainly ballets and operas. -- Ron > Ron a écrit : >> >> With everyone showing off their system, I thought >> I'd do the same, so here goes: >> >> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ronami/album?.dir=/8a51&.src=ph >> >> There are three pictures. In addition to the >> long shot of the whole shebang, I also shot >> the left and right equipment towers separately. >> >> A quick rundown of the equipment... Starting >> with the right tower top shelf, going down >> shelf by shelf: >> >> Preamplifier: Integra Research (the high end >> subsidiary of Onkyo) model RDC-7.1. This is a >> modular preamp, utilizing plug in cards for >> various functions. This one is almost fully >> loaded, with only one slot empty. >> >> DVD player: Pioneer DV-59AVi, that I also use >> for playing CDs when I want the highest quality. >> >> VCR: The venerable Toshiba SV-F990 S-VHS VCR, >> the Nak of VCRs (with such features as assemble >> editor, scanner for putting picture onto the >> video, etc. Vintage (meaning, O-L-D), but still >> putting out excellent video. >> >> On top of VCR: Sima SCC, used to tweak video >> for recording. >> >> Denon AVP-8000. This is my old preamp, that I >> kept on after replacing it with the RDC-7.1. >> First, because it contains an AC-3 RF decoder >> for watching DD laser discs and, second, >> because its tuner has RDS functionality. The >> RDC-7.1 has neither feature. >> >> On the left tower, starting at the top: >> >> Turntable: ReVox B791 with Shure V15-VMR phono >> cartridge. >> >> Cassette deck: Nakamichi CR-7 (what else?). On >> top of the deck sits an X-10 receiver that >> controls On/Off operation for the turntable, >> cassette deck and carousel CD player below, in >> addition to controlling the lighting on both >> towers. >> >> CD player: Denon DMC-560. Sonically not as good >> as the Pioneer (and it plays neither SACDs nor >> DVD-As), but its carousel is great for non-stop >> background music. >> >> Cable TV STB: Motorola DCT-6200. Allows getting >> the few (very few) available HDTV channels. >> >> In the center is a Toshiba TW-65H80 65" TV set. >> This is an unmitigated piece of crap and the >> last, ever, Toshiba product to find its way into >> my home. Picture quality is quite acceptable, >> though. >> >> Above the TV, to the right, is a Hitachi VM-H710A. >> Wired for PB only (who wants to record into a >> camcorder?) and rarely used. >> >> Main speakers: a pair of Aerial Acoustics 10Ts >> (You can see one). Center speaker: Aerial >> Acoustics CC3. Not shown are the rear pair >> of surround speakers: Aerial Acoustics SR3. Off >> to the right hides a Velodyne FRS-15 sub woofer. >> >> Also not shown are the power amplifiers: Aragon >> 8008-ST two channel and 8008-X3 three channel >> beasts (200 WPC into 8 ohms ands 400 WPC into 4 >> ohms. The Aerial acoustics are roughly 6 ohms, >> so they have available approximately 300 W >> apiece). These are mounted to the wall in the >> garage, directly under the system. >> >> I didn't expect this to be this long... If you >> are still with me, my hat off to you... >> >> -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sat Jan 28 00:05:16 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:05:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: <43D802BE.4080209@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Impressive range of groups Antoine, looks like a case for speed reading! Regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 25 January 2006 22:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog Doug Locke a écrit : > There always has to be someone who just can't help showing off! > My full compliments Antoine, but I have the Armani 999ZXL socks with the > special edition elasticated gussetts in my drawers.(Picture to follow after > I have taken them off). > > > BTW, can I assume that with such a distinctive name, you are the same > Antoine who frequents the FMTuner group? > Yes, the same. Also in these Yahoo groups: k5synth, the-linear-users-group, eico, vintagesynthrepair, tda1541a_dac and kawaisynths. That makes a lot of mail in my mailbox. > Regards. > Doug. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Jan 28 00:17:28 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:17:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060127231728.70311.qmail@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not speed reading, but instead I'm looking at the topic subjects that seem interesting. By the way, I forgot diyaudio and techspot. If the first week of january I was getting around 90 messages per day. Since the 17th, I kept 250 messages and deleted a bunch of others. Doug Locke a écrit : Impressive range of groups Antoine, looks like a case for speed reading! Regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 25 January 2006 22:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog Doug Locke a écrit : > There always has to be someone who just can't help showing off! > My full compliments Antoine, but I have the Armani 999ZXL socks with the > special edition elasticated gussetts in my drawers.(Picture to follow after > I have taken them off). > > > BTW, can I assume that with such a distinctive name, you are the same > Antoine who frequents the FMTuner group? > Yes, the same. Also in these Yahoo groups: k5synth, the-linear-users-group, eico, vintagesynthrepair, tda1541a_dac and kawaisynths. That makes a lot of mail in my mailbox. > Regards. > Doug. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From pawel at bartuzi.org Sat Jan 28 01:43:32 2006 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:43:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Buying old tapes and ageing problem In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCD2@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCD2@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <43DABE34.7000801@bartuzi.org> Interesting you mention BASF ferric - the dullest sounding tapes on my CD1 are old BASF type 1 I bought for a pennies together with other tapes (which are not that bad luckily). :-) I like Maxell XL II very much and wonder whether it is safe to buy old tapes of that type... -- Pawel Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > My only suggestion would be to avoid the old BASF ferric type I tapes from > 83-86. They tend to squeal towards the end on one side (either side A or B). > > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 02:08:14 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:08:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] old idler ,new idler difference In-Reply-To: <20060127161348.30629.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060128010814.17323.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott I am really surprised by the availability of Old classic Nak transport reel drive idler tire ! Generally the reel drive idler comes with base glued to the rubber idler tire. Ofcourse when it is worn we can probably slip one of these tires - if it does not come off the base. More important is that the transport should be fully stripped carefully ( dragon is almost impossible as there are few surprise serrated clips to hold the Motor parts) and particularly the break mechanism behind the Spool reels. If someone does not have experience - he may damage the trasport beyond repair! What Wouter once described was interesting. The Europen Nak technician ( Graham' ZX9 was modified by him) used to fix the rubber idler without removing the transport but would use rubber adhesive to fix new flat rubber belt over the idler metal base, a nice idea. Kannan Scott Johnson wrote: The older ider and new idler are totally different. The old one is much larger and lasts for 10 years+. The new idler is about the size of a nickel and only lasts a couple years. MCM used to have the new idler, but, they no longer list that P/N. Jeff from ESL sells the new idler on his web site http://www.eslabs.com/parts.htm There is a guy selling them on ebay for about 1/2 as much Item number: 5854906267 Or from lieberman http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=53 Lieberman also has the old type http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=67 If anyone has any other sources please let me know and I'll add them to my web site. SJ --- senthil nathan wrote: > is there any difference between the idler tyres used in older > classic nakamichi transports and the newer ones like the BX CR > series?.. > does the older nak idler tyres > last long ?... > > anyway i couldnt find any nakamichi idler tyres in MCM > electronics.. > > regards > senthil > > > --------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Gray wrote: > Hi Michael, Bala, Graham, Doane, Fred, Alex, and all those who ordered > copies of the Nakathon IIIa, > > > > Michael Moore wrote: >> Greetings from the awards committee for the Atlanta substation of >> Nakophiles, Mike Moore presiding. >> By unanimous vote, the committee has awarded Kermit the very rarely >> granted and most prestigious T-9 award for excellence demonstrated in >> the production of Dragons Rule, the Nak Marathon IIIa effort. (The >> voting was held in secret, that's why you didn't receive a ballot). >> Click Kermit's Award to >> see Kermit and the trophy heading for home. >> Perhaps we should consider expanding our proposed world wide >> convocation of Nakophiles to include those off world who might have >> appreciated the broadcasts of music recorded and played back on Naks. >> I mean, that stuff is thirty plus light years out there by now. What >> do you think? > > I'm thrilled! A genuine rare Nakamichi Dragon Toaster! The one with > automatic bread slice azimuth and auto-bagle! Far out! > > I humbly accept this award on behalf of all the two-head Nakamichi > decks who helped make this possible. Makes me wish I had two heads. > Wait a minute -- I do! EEK! > > Seriously, I apreciate the well wishes. It has been a fun project. > > Most of you do not know this, but the fate of my studio and my > tentative plans to restart my 1970s record labels, American Biograph & > Mutophone Records (live recordings only) and Migmatrope Records > (studio releases and demos), has been awaiting the results of how the > Nakathon IIIa CDs and cassettes were received. I've been debating > whether to complete the studio, and if so, how to complete it. Well, > the results are in, and have been a pleasant surprise: everyone who > heard both the cassettes and the CDs has told me that, although the > CDs are excellent, they enjoy the cassettes more. Two of you gently > chided me off-list for being overly critical of the cassettes. Guilty. > > So, I will be completing the rebirth of my record label, in a manner > far different from my original concept, combining both of the former > labels into (tentatively) Migmatrope Records. Here's the difference, > though -- all the upcoming releases will be available only on > real-time duplicated cassette, RTD reel-to-reel and two LP formats. No > CDs. I'm planning to focus manly on live recordings, done mainly on my > Nak 550s, of course. So, this group helped me optimize the course of > some of my business plans. I'm grateful. > > (By the way, I'm looking forward to hearing some recordings made live > via Nak for upcoming Nakathon IIIb (cassettes made with mics onto Nak > decks). > >> Atlanta Mike > > I'll have to design and build one. An Atlanta mic I mean. Should it be > a dynamic mic with the magnet aligned with the South pole leading? I > wonder. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 05:32:09 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:32:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] old idler ,new idler difference In-Reply-To: <20060128010814.17323.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060128043210.56123.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, Just came to mind. My dad, the ultra-practical once helped me 're-condition' a tire. He sanded the original worn rubber, applied adhesive over it, and pasted a section of a new flat rubber belt. He sanded the mating surface of the belt too. Once done, he touched up the joint with sandpaper to make it smooth. Needless to say, it worked very well. I'm not too sure if Kannan is referring to the same method, but the idler wheel needs to be take off to get a smooth even sanding and glueing done. Regards Bala 79 Labs kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Scott I am really surprised by the availability of Old classic Nak transport reel drive idler tire ! Generally the reel drive idler comes with base glued to the rubber idler tire. Ofcourse when it is worn we can probably slip one of these tires - if it does not come off the base. More important is that the transport should be fully stripped carefully ( dragon is almost impossible as there are few surprise serrated clips to hold the Motor parts) and particularly the break mechanism behind the Spool reels. If someone does not have experience - he may damage the trasport beyond repair! What Wouter once described was interesting. The Europen Nak technician ( Graham' ZX9 was modified by him) used to fix the rubber idler without removing the transport but would use rubber adhesive to fix new flat rubber belt over the idler metal base, a nice idea. Kannan Scott Johnson wrote! : The older ider and new idler are totally different. The old one is much larger and lasts for 10 years+. The new idler is about the size of a nickel and only lasts a couple years. MCM used to have the new idler, but, they no longer list that P/N. Jeff from ESL sells the new idler on his web site http://www.eslabs.com/parts.htm There is a guy selling them on ebay for about 1/2 as much Item number: 5854906267 Or from lieberman http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=53 Lieberman also has the old type http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=67 If anyone has any other sources please let me know and I'll add them to my web site. SJ --- senthil nathan wrote: > is there any difference between the idler tyres used! in older > classic nakamichi transports and the newer ones like the BX CR > series?.. > does the older nak idler tyres > last long ?... > > anyway i couldnt find any nakamichi idler tyres in MCM > electronics.. > > regards > senthil > > > --------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! 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David On 28/01/2006, at 9:17 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I'm not speed reading, but instead I'm looking at the topic subjects > that seem interesting. > > By the way, I forgot diyaudio and techspot. > > If the first week of january I was getting around 90 messages per day. > Since the 17th, I kept 250 messages and deleted a bunch of others. > > Doug Locke a écrit : >> >> Regards. >> Doug. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes >> Sent: 25 January 2006 22:59 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Home system photos on my MySpace Blog >> >> >> >> Doug Locke a écrit : >> > There always has to be someone who just can't help showing off!> My >> full compliments Antoine, but I have the Armani 999ZXL socks with the >> > special edition elasticated gussetts in my drawers.(Picture to >> follow >> after >> > I have taken them off). >> > >> > >> > BTW, can I assume that with such a distinctive name, you are the >> same >> > Antoine who frequents the FMTuner group? >> > >> Yes, the same. Also in these Yahoo groups: k5synth, >> the-linear-users-group, eico, vintagesynthrepair, tda1541a_dac and >> kawaisynths. That makes a lot of mail in my mailbox. >> > Regards. >> > Doug. >> > >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > > Antoine Deschênes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > En finir avec le spam? 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Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2929 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bwana747 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 28 07:11:48 2006 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:11:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cable review - monster m350i & 400mkII In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Whatever connector provides the most snug, convenient and reliable contact should suit the purpose best as regards connectors. The same goes for good soldering and attachment of the connector to the cable. Gold plating can reduce connector oxidation if it is thick enough to not be rubbed/scratched off through repeated connecting and disconnecting. There's a paper written by McIntosh Laboratory many years ago which discusses their findings for audio cables. What they found for the most part is this: For line level cables minimizing capacitance, shielding and good, solid, clean connectors are most important. Resistance (and therefore line loss) over short distance will be negligible for low current applications. Cable capacitance is the biggest culprit because it can cause filtering of high frequencies at low voltages, particularly in low-voltage alternating current applications. For speaker level cables resistance is most important. The music content voltage level is well above anything that could get shielding after amplification. At amplifier output levels the obstacle of getting maximum signal transfer to the speakers is best overcome by lower gauge (thicker cable) and that the bulk of signal transmission takes place on the surface of the conductors. There have been other studies (mostly about musical instrument cables e.g. guitar cables) about "oxygen free" copper compared to regular wire. The advantages cited of the benefits of oxygen free copper has nothing to do with the quality of audio transmission but rather to prevent cable rot (i.e. internal corrosion of thick cables) in industrial, non-audio uses of sustained high current and voltage. Claims of audio benefits of oxygen-free wire over typical quality wire are doubtful. I suspect proper grounding and RFI shielding of equipment at line-levels would reduce potential noise problems far more than oxygen free wire ever could. Whatever people choose to buy is fiine with me though I'm one of those usually skeptical of the many claims made by boutique cable manufacturers. Some of the claims remind me of the automotive Teflon motor oil additive marketers which appeared then suddenly vanished in the early 1990s. For speakers I've used both Monster Cable and 12 gauge quality zip cord with quality connectors. I've been pleased by both and also by the substantial savings realized when I made my own cables with zip cord and top quality (e.g. Pomona) connectors, carefully soldered and anchored to the cabling. Best regards, Bob From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sat Jan 28 08:07:42 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:07:42 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] My Sound System... Message-ID: <001c01c623d9$8a4215e0$0201a8c0@lan> Ron, Nice system! and very compact too for what it contains. Seeing as how we are in show and tell mode... have a laugh at this...my current main home set up... Not absolutely ideal but it is functional for the moment, as the we still haven't decided how we are going finalise the room layout, and we have only been living here four years!. A good ad for Lundia shelving... http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shorty1275nz/album?.dir=3135&.src=ph On the left we have a Technics SP25/Grace 727/Grado Prestige gold, with my prized 600II next door. Underneath CR2/CR5, BX125/BX300, and 582Z/580. In the middle, 610 preamp, ZX7/ 480Z, RX202/RX505. and finally on the right, 620 power amp, Thorens TD160/Linn LVX/Denon DL110 (normally also a Grado), and underneath.. Aiwa F770 (one of the best non-naks out there IMHO), Philips CD880, with my Technics RS-B100 to the side and Technics SU-A900 amp. Below, a Technics RS-B55, and LX3. The ZX7 is direct into the 610, as it is my main recording deck.. the remainder connect in via switch panels behind , or the DBX switch box into the 610. As I am most interested in keeping the decks serviceable and 'absolute fidelity' doesn't matter when you are reading, working in the garden, cooking or the Wife is 'nattering'! The all the Naks and the F770 play through Wharfedale EVO40's, which complement the 610/620 very nicely, and the Technics side of things through little JPW's... this is the Wife's system to use when I am away, as she is 'scared' of the main system :o) It all looks a little cazy, but as a lot of the decks were 'rescues' of one form or another, and as I hate seeing these machines scrapped, especially the older pre BX machines...so I make no apologies. All that you see are fully functional and in good - great condition. My 500 and 600 are in the to be fixed pile unfortunately.. developed miscellaneous electronic woes....680ZX should hopefully return soon. Soon to be added to the main system is a Garrard 301/SME3012, when I finally finish building the base... and probably another house for this lot.. My wife reckons, and a must admit, I am a bit of a collector... a cassette fetishist....and a sucker for a bargain... but she doesn't mind what I do as long as I don't collect other women :o)..( they would all take one look and run anyway!) and it is still well shy of 110MR1's! Should have had the Nak get together over here!, then I could take you on a 'Nakical History tour....' :o).. all we would need then is Bernard and his ZXL to complete the journey! Cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sat Jan 28 09:04:57 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:04:57 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Threads Message-ID: It would be nice to have separate topic threads for cables and sound systems too! Others for faults, best decks, and misc off the track. BTW, my LK3 is sounding much better after an orange cap replacement operation. The playback sound was nearly dropping out before. The 582 is improved but needs a proper alignment. David From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Jan 28 09:30:56 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:30:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cable review - monster m350i & 400mkII In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:11:48 -0600, bwana747 _ wrote: Heres some cables/interconnect -DNM.I dont know how these fit into the Macintosh equation, but these cables- you either love em or dont-theres no in between 'seems like! http://www.stereotimes.com/Cable022205.shtm > Whatever connector provides the most snug, convenient and reliable > contact should suit the purpose best as regards connectors. The same > goes for good soldering and attachment of the connector to the cable. > Gold plating can reduce connector oxidation if it is thick enough to not > be rubbed/scratched off through repeated connecting and disconnecting. > > There's a paper written by McIntosh Laboratory many years ago which > discusses their findings for audio cables. What they found for the most > part is this: > > For line level cables minimizing capacitance, shielding and good, solid, > clean connectors are most important. Resistance (and therefore line > loss) over short distance will be negligible for low current > applications. Cable capacitance is the biggest culprit because it can > cause filtering of high frequencies at low voltages, particularly in > low-voltage alternating current applications. > > For speaker level cables resistance is most important. The music content > voltage level is well above anything that could get shielding after > amplification. At amplifier output levels the obstacle of getting > maximum signal transfer to the speakers is best overcome by lower gauge > (thicker cable) and that the bulk of signal transmission takes place on > the surface of the conductors. > > There have been other studies (mostly about musical instrument cables > e.g. guitar cables) about "oxygen free" copper compared to regular wire. > The advantages cited of the benefits of oxygen free copper has nothing > to do with the quality of audio transmission but rather to prevent cable > rot (i.e. internal corrosion of thick cables) in industrial, non-audio > uses of sustained high current and voltage. Claims of audio benefits of > oxygen-free wire over typical quality wire are doubtful. I suspect > proper grounding and RFI shielding of equipment at line-levels would > reduce potential noise problems far more than oxygen free wire ever > could. > > Whatever people choose to buy is fiine with me though I'm one of those > usually skeptical of the many claims made by boutique cable > manufacturers. Some of the claims remind me of the automotive Teflon > motor oil additive marketers which appeared then suddenly vanished in > the early 1990s. For speakers I've used both Monster Cable and 12 gauge > quality zip cord with quality connectors. I've been pleased by both and > also by the substantial savings realized when I made my own cables with > zip cord and top quality (e.g. Pomona) connectors, carefully soldered > and anchored to the cabling. > > Best regards, > Bob > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From butternu at sover.net Sat Jan 28 14:48:06 2006 From: butternu at sover.net (Tom Dodge) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:48:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MCM idler tires Message-ID: <006701c62411$81c08680$aaa772d8@tomna1na1779kz> I have a bunch of p/n 32-6375 tires from MCM which never did seem to work properly (used to repair Nak) as compared to the tires I sourced from Nakamichi. Anybody else ever use that MCM part? -tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 28 14:54:40 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:54:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Threads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43DB77A0.8080108@rcn.com> We should separate Audio (Vs. Nak) threads into the AudioTalk and NakTalk lists -- something many of us (myself included) neglect to do. I intended to post my system photos on AudioTalk and somehow -- don't ask me how -- they wound up in NakTalk. My bad... I apologize. -- Ron David Thompson wrote: > It would be nice to have separate topic threads for cables and sound > systems too! Others for faults, best decks, and misc off the track. > > BTW, my LK3 is sounding much better after an orange cap replacement > operation. The playback sound was nearly dropping out before. The 582 is > improved but needs a proper alignment. > > David From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 28 15:15:29 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:15:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MCM idler tires In-Reply-To: <006701c62411$81c08680$aaa772d8@tomna1na1779kz> References: <006701c62411$81c08680$aaa772d8@tomna1na1779kz> Message-ID: <43DB7C81.6040503@rcn.com> Never used this P/N. For Sankyo transport Naks I have used quite a few P/N 32-5665 very successfully. -- Ron Tom Dodge wrote: > I have a bunch of p/n 32-6375 tires from MCM which never did seem to > work properly (used to repair Nak) as compared to the tires I sourced > from Nakamichi. Anybody else ever use that MCM part? > > -tom From paulkoo at comcast.net Sat Jan 28 19:44:51 2006 From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:44:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Remote Message-ID: <012820061844.15743.43DBBBA300077D0500003D7F2209229927010105049A0E9F@comcast.net> Yes. I purchased one of the last remotes for the CR7a from ES Lab and copied the codes onto a Sony remote. I have done this with my Creek amp and Sony SACD player as well. Paul -------------- Original message -------------- From: Ron > Andrew Spencer wrote: > > This may be a silly question, however, here goes! > > > > Is it possible to programme a remote control with codes for operating a CR7 > > or could this be done by borrowing a CR7 remote and using the learning > > facility on the remote? > > > > Regards. > > > > Andy > > Dublin, Ireland > > If you have a learning remote transmitter, than, > yes, you can program it with the CR-7 codes. This > is exactly how I control my CR-7, using a Marantz > RC-5000i universal remote. > > If your universal remote is of the Philips Pronto > or Marantz families, then you do not even need to > borrow the original remote transmitter. You can > simply download the codes file (called CCF) into > the remote. The file is available on the net or > I'll be happy to email mine to you. > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Jan 28 23:59:41 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:59:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remotes In-Reply-To: <20060124170324.35323.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060124161842.59921.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060124170324.35323.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7PbbQ66vk40Yxl3SpqJhOiLimWZy@4ax.com> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:03:24 -0800 (PST), Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Yeah. Well. using a wire on the back of my deck isn't really what I had in mind for universal remote operation, but yes, it will universal for all decks with wire-per-function and which do not rely on a combination of resistance over a few pins (such as the Teac X-2000 variety). Mikkel >Fullfilling that will be a certain technical challenge. I don't think remotes can get as universal as this! > > Bala > >Scott Johnson wrote: If you want to test your CR-3 you don't need a remote. Just stick a >small piece of wire into the ground pin and then stick the other end >in the function you want. See pinout in the link below. > >http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > >BTW you have quite a laundry list of features for this aftermarket >remote project. > >SJ. > >--- Mikkel Breiler wrote: .. >> But getting a remot for this deck is no good if it cannot be used >> with other Nak >> models. >> Andi t would be nice if the remote is universal in that the >> receiver can work on >> several brands and models of decks such as: >> >> Teac X-1000 (and 32-2B) >> Teac X-2000 >> Akai GX-635D >> Akai GX-77 >> Teac A-3300SX >> Studer A80-R >> Studer B67 Mk I >> Otari MX-5050 >> From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 29 00:41:53 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:41:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Threads In-Reply-To: <43DB77A0.8080108@rcn.com> Message-ID: <005901c62464$6b2d53a0$d49987d9@oemcomputer> The following warning probably doesn't apply to most of the members of this Nak List but it sure does to me!!! Gra' Repair Estimate When my printer's type began to grow faint, I called a local repair shop where a friendly man informed me that the printer probably needed only to be cleaned. Because the store charged $50 for such cleanings, he told me, I might be better off reading the printer's manual and trying the job myself. Pleasantly surprised by his candor, I asked, "Does your boss know that you discourage business?" "Actually it's my boss's idea," the employee replied sheepishly. "We usually make more money on repairs if we let people try to fix things themselves first." > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 00:59:17 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:59:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Threads In-Reply-To: <005901c62464$6b2d53a0$d49987d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060128235917.8820.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Probably so - seeing the number of postings about pouring WD 40 and other magic solutions for simple lubrication or cleaning requirements that I watch? kannan Nelson wrote: The following warning probably doesn't apply to most of the members of this Nak List but it sure does to me!!! Gra' Repair Estimate When my printer's type began to grow faint, I called a local repair shop where a friendly man informed me that the printer probably needed only to be cleaned. Because the store charged $50 for such cleanings, he told me, I might be better off reading the printer's manual and trying the job myself. Pleasantly surprised by his candor, I asked, "Does your boss know that you discourage business?" "Actually it's my boss's idea," the employee replied sheepishly. "We usually make more money on repairs if we let people try to fix things themselves first." > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 02:53:46 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:53:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Threads In-Reply-To: <20060128235917.8820.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060129015346.98862.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A friend of mine when he was in North Carolina had this guy with a non working Kyocera CD player come to him. Can you fix it, the drawer doesn't open. Sure, lets pop the cover off. The insides were covered with WD-40. Apparently the belt for the drawer had gotten loose and wouldn't open. So he sprayed generous amounts of the magical water displacer in through a crack in the door. My friend responses, I could have fixed it, but, now you contaminated all the optics and now it's a piece of garbage. Another friend owns a little computer store. Back in the 286 days a customer comes in with a motherboard that no longer works. He takes the board out of the bag and he couldn't believe his eyes It looked beautiful. Nice and shinny, like it just came off the assembly line or something. The customer commented that it stopped working after he cleaned it....with WD-40. He pops the cpu out and underneath it was a little pool of the stuff. I think he soaked the board in alcohol for a day and agitated it every once in a while and it eventually worked again. SJ --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Probably so - seeing the number of postings about pouring WD 40 and > other magic solutions for simple lubrication or cleaning > requirements that I watch? > kannan > > Nelson wrote: > The following warning probably doesn't apply to most of the > members of this > Nak List but it sure does to me!!! > > Gra' > > Repair Estimate > > When my printer's type began to grow faint, I called a local repair > shop > where a friendly man informed me that the printer probably needed > only to be > cleaned. Because the store charged $50 for such cleanings, he told > me, I > might be better off reading the printer's manual and trying the job > myself. > > Pleasantly surprised by his candor, I asked, "Does your boss know > that you > discourage business?" > > "Actually it's my boss's idea," the employee replied sheepishly. > "We usually > make more money on repairs if we let people try to fix things > themselves > first." > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > --------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nakfan at gawab.com Sun Jan 29 13:18:31 2006 From: nakfan at gawab.com (mike) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:18:31 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Re: 582 Problem No sound at replay The Bulb In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCD1@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCD1@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20060129121831.3296.qmail@gawab.com> Thomas Siomopoulos schreibt: > It will definitely be the play light or the stop light. Same thing happened > to my 582. > > Tom. > Thanks for that, so I try to get a replacement bulb. Do you know what a bulb it has to be? Voltage current etc... Here is a railway Toy shop close to me. Maybe he has such little lights. mike From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 29 14:58:38 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:58:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Threads In-Reply-To: <20060129015346.98862.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060129015346.98862.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43DCCA0E.700@rcn.com> Has nothing to do with WD-40, but does remind me of a story a Customer Service guy told me. A customer complained that the floppy drive in his brand new computer wasn't working. The CS guy told him to make sure the door was closed. Imagine his surprise when he heard the customer put down the phone, go over and close his office door... -- Ron Scott Johnson wrote: > A friend of mine when he was in North Carolina had this guy with a > non working Kyocera CD player come to him. Can you fix it, the > drawer doesn't open. Sure, lets pop the cover off. The insides were > covered with WD-40. Apparently the belt for the drawer had gotten > loose and wouldn't open. So he sprayed generous amounts of the > magical water displacer in through a crack in the door. My friend > responses, I could have fixed it, but, now you contaminated all the > optics and now it's a piece of garbage. > > Another friend owns a little computer store. Back in the 286 days a > customer comes in with a motherboard that no longer works. He takes > the board out of the bag and he couldn't believe his eyes It looked > beautiful. Nice and shinny, like it just came off the assembly line > or something. The customer commented that it stopped working after > he cleaned it....with WD-40. He pops the cpu out and underneath it > was a little pool of the stuff. I think he soaked the board in > alcohol for a day and agitated it every once in a while and it > eventually worked again. > > SJ > > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > >> Probably so - seeing the number of postings about pouring WD 40 and >> other magic solutions for simple lubrication or cleaning >> requirements that I watch? >> kannan >> >> Nelson wrote: >> The following warning probably doesn't apply to most of the >> members of this >> Nak List but it sure does to me!!! >> >> Gra' >> >> Repair Estimate >> >> When my printer's type began to grow faint, I called a local repair >> shop >> where a friendly man informed me that the printer probably needed >> only to be >> cleaned. Because the store charged $50 for such cleanings, he told >> me, I >> might be better off reading the printer's manual and trying the job >> myself. >> >> Pleasantly surprised by his candor, I asked, "Does your boss know >> that you >> discourage business?" >> >> "Actually it's my boss's idea," the employee replied sheepishly. >> "We usually >> make more money on repairs if we let people try to fix things >> themselves >> first." > From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sun Jan 29 16:07:17 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:07:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Threads In-Reply-To: <005901c62464$6b2d53a0$d49987d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Great anecdote Gra', certainly forced a rueful smile of recognition! Regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 28 January 2006 23:42 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Threads The following warning probably doesn't apply to most of the members of this Nak List but it sure does to me!!! Gra' Repair Estimate When my printer's type began to grow faint, I called a local repair shop where a friendly man informed me that the printer probably needed only to be cleaned. Because the store charged $50 for such cleanings, he told me, I might be better off reading the printer's manual and trying the job myself. Pleasantly surprised by his candor, I asked, "Does your boss know that you discourage business?" "Actually it's my boss's idea," the employee replied sheepishly. "We usually make more money on repairs if we let people try to fix things themselves first." > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ady at spamcop.net Sun Jan 29 21:40:40 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:40:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cassette pictures offline? Message-ID: <7DD1A3A3-D99A-4E23-AFCC-131B80FCFB04@spamcop.net> hi... a while back I got a link from a post to here: http://hanazuc02.ld.infoseek.co.jp/cassettes/cassettes.htm a fantastic collection of old tapes... it seems to be offline at the moment - anyone know if it's anywhere else? I've tried the webarchive - http://www.archive.org/web/web.php and it's not there either adrian From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 29 22:09:32 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:09:32 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 582 Problem No sound at replay The Bulb Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DCD8@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> I believe it's a 12 volt 25mA current rating. Try and get the pcb mount type. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2006 11:19 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Re: 582 Problem No sound at replay The Bulb Thomas Siomopoulos schreibt: > It will definitely be the play light or the stop light. Same thing > happened to my 582. > > Tom. > Thanks for that, so I try to get a replacement bulb. Do you know what a bulb it has to be? Voltage current etc... Here is a railway Toy shop close to me. Maybe he has such little lights. mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Jan 30 00:30:25 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:30:25 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] threads Message-ID: <005101c6252b$fbdca280$0201a8c0@lan> David Thompson wrote: > It would be nice to have separate topic threads for cables and sound > systems too! Others for faults, best decks, and misc off the track. > > BTW, my LK3 is sounding much better after an orange cap replacement > operation. The playback sound was nearly dropping out before. The 582 is > improved but needs a proper alignment. > > David I guess I am probably one of the more guilty parties in this respect. As one of the newer members, I tend to let my 20 years of pent up enthusiasm for Naks in general get away on me. Other members are certainly a lot more circumspect... probably because they have seen it all before. . The main issue appears to be with people who get their naktalk 'as it happens' and thus are inundated with emails on topics of no interest, and that is the reason I get mine in digest form. One email that allows me to scan the contents list, then scroll to the parts of interest.. self editing, and ignore the rest..also, from my point of view, much easier to follow when in a hurry than threaded posts. So, it suits me as it is. Compared to other forums I am a member of, I don't know that there is enough 'traffic' here to warrant 'threading' posts. Personally, I find a lot of the 'banter' interesting, despite having no relevance to my own situation, and what makes naktalk an interesting and varied forum.. for me anyway..and if things get too far out of hand, Wouter would step in for sure. Gra' Your comment on 'self' servicing is quite relevant...that is why I have a 481 to send in for repair :o( Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 04:09:02 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:09:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remotes In-Reply-To: <7PbbQ66vk40Yxl3SpqJhOiLimWZy@4ax.com> Message-ID: <20060130030902.45488.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Teac X-2000...Hmmm Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:03:24 -0800 (PST), Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Yeah. Well. using a wire on the back of my deck isn't really what I had in mind for universal remote operation, but yes, it will universal for all decks with wire-per-function and which do not rely on a combination of resistance over a few pins (such as the Teac X-2000 variety). Mikkel >Fullfilling that will be a certain technical challenge. I don't think remotes can get as universal as this! > > Bala > >Scott Johnson wrote: If you want to test your CR-3 you don't need a remote. Just stick a >small piece of wire into the ground pin and then stick the other end >in the function you want. See pinout in the link below. > >http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > >BTW you have quite a laundry list of features for this aftermarket >remote project. > >SJ. > >--- Mikkel Breiler wrote: .. >> But getting a remot for this deck is no good if it cannot be used >> with other Nak >> models. >> Andi t would be nice if the remote is universal in that the >> receiver can work on >> several brands and models of decks such as: >> >> Teac X-1000 (and 32-2B) >> Teac X-2000 >> Akai GX-635D >> Akai GX-77 >> Teac A-3300SX >> Studer A80-R >> Studer B67 Mk I >> Otari MX-5050 >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 04:22:52 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:22:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Threads In-Reply-To: <20060129015346.98862.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060130032252.28109.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My own A77 was subject to such ill-treatment by the shop who tired to repair it. I had a real hard time coming home and getting all the out of my machine! Now, as I have said before, no one solution can fit all purposes - such a dream liquid has not and probably will not be found. However, there has to be some inclination on the user's part to read the package, check with their local hardware store on the use of these liquids. On the past twp cases, WD40's were found on places that were strict no-go for them. I have used WD-40s on my reel decks and cassette decks. However, I can't imagine being crazy to simply spray solutions into a crack or crevice knowing there are things in there - it could be a Kyocera cd pick-up or the gold plated head of a ZXL-Limited. I also use cloth wrapped around wood q-tip sticks wetted with WD-40. that helps me gently remove grease and hardened lubrcants. Some solutions recommended here do work for simple and effective cleaning. But if you feel your pinch roller is not fast enough and decide to spray silicone lubricant in - no one can be held responsible for that! My advice here is given on the experiences of working with Nakamichis everyday. I do not intend to make profit or propagate any negative thoughts. Regards Bala Scott Johnson wrote: A friend of mine when he was in North Carolina had this guy with a non working Kyocera CD player come to him. Can you fix it, the drawer doesn't open. Sure, lets pop the cover off. The insides were covered with WD-40. Apparently the belt for the drawer had gotten loose and wouldn't open. So he sprayed generous amounts of the magical water displacer in through a crack in the door. My friend responses, I could have fixed it, but, now you contaminated all the optics and now it's a piece of garbage. Another friend owns a little computer store. Back in the 286 days a customer comes in with a motherboard that no longer works. He takes the board out of the bag and he couldn't believe his eyes It looked beautiful. Nice and shinny, like it just came off the assembly line or something. The customer commented that it stopped working after he cleaned it....with WD-40. He pops the cpu out and underneath it was a little pool of the stuff. I think he soaked the board in alcohol for a day and agitated it every once in a while and it eventually worked again. SJ --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Probably so - seeing the number of postings about pouring WD 40 and > other magic solutions for simple lubrication or cleaning > requirements that I watch? > kannan > > Nelson wrote: > The following warning probably doesn't apply to most of the > members of this > Nak List but it sure does to me!!! > > Gra' > > Repair Estimate > > When my printer's type began to grow faint, I called a local repair > shop > where a friendly man informed me that the printer probably needed > only to be > cleaned. Because the store charged $50 for such cleanings, he told > me, I > might be better off reading the printer's manual and trying the job > myself. > > Pleasantly surprised by his candor, I asked, "Does your boss know > that you > discourage business?" > > "Actually it's my boss's idea," the employee replied sheepishly. > "We usually > make more money on repairs if we let people try to fix things > themselves > first." > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > --------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 30 05:05:42 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:05:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cassette pictures offline? In-Reply-To: <7DD1A3A3-D99A-4E23-AFCC-131B80FCFB04@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Hi Adrian! Can't read in Nippon language! ALEX! >From: Adrian Finn >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] cassette pictures offline? >Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:40:40 +0000 > >hi... > >a while back I got a link from a post to here: > >http://hanazuc02.ld.infoseek.co.jp/cassettes/cassettes.htm > > > >a fantastic collection of old tapes... it seems to be offline at the >moment - anyone know if it's anywhere else? I've tried the webarchive - >http://www.archive.org/web/web.php and it's not there either > > >adrian >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Jan 30 05:22:52 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:22:52 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] threads In-Reply-To: <005101c6252b$fbdca280$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback Martin. I am going to try the digests for a while to steady the flow. David From: Martin Short Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:30:25 +1300 To: Subject: [naktalk] threads David Thompson wrote: > It would be nice to have separate topic threads for cables and sound > systems too! Others for faults, best decks, and misc off the track. > > BTW, my LK3 is sounding much better after an orange cap replacement > operation. The playback sound was nearly dropping out before. The 582 is > improved but needs a proper alignment. > > David I guess I am probably one of the more guilty parties in this respect. As one of the newer members, I tend to let my 20 years of pent up enthusiasm for Naks in general get away on me. Other members are certainly a lot more circumspect... probably because they have seen it all before. . The main issue appears to be with people who get their naktalk 'as it happens' and thus are inundated with emails on topics of no interest, and that is the reason I get mine in digest form. One email that allows me to scan the contents list, then scroll to the parts of interest.. self editing, and ignore the rest..also, from my point of view, much easier to follow when in a hurry than threaded posts. So, it suits me as it is. Compared to other forums I am a member of, I don't know that there is enough 'traffic' here to warrant 'threading' posts. Personally, I find a lot of the 'banter' interesting, despite having no relevance to my own situation, and what makes naktalk an interesting and varied forum.. for me anyway..and if things get too far out of hand, Wouter would step in for sure. Gra' Your comment on 'self' servicing is quite relevant...that is why I have a 481 to send in for repair :o( Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Mon Jan 30 08:24:29 2006 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:24:29 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] threads In-Reply-To: <005101c6252b$fbdca280$0201a8c0@lan> References: <005101c6252b$fbdca280$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060130202232.01f18fa0@paradise.net.nz> Hi Martin Where are you getting the Nak serviced, now that Axent aren't doing it anymore? I'm considering B&W but I know the shipping will be more than the cost of repair Thanks in advance Brett At 12:30 p.m. 30/01/2006, you wrote: >David Thompson wrote: > > It would be nice to have separate topic threads for cables and sound > > systems too! Others for faults, best decks, and misc off the track. > > > > BTW, my LK3 is sounding much better after an orange cap replacement > > operation. The playback sound was nearly dropping out before. The 582 is > > improved but needs a proper alignment. > > > > David > >I guess I am probably one of the more guilty parties in this >respect. As one of the newer members, I tend to let my 20 years of >pent up enthusiasm for Naks in general get away on me. Other members >are certainly a lot more circumspect... probably because they have >seen it all before. >. >The main issue appears to be with people who get their naktalk 'as >it happens' and thus are inundated with emails on topics of no >interest, and that is the reason I get mine in digest form. One >email that allows me to scan the contents list, then scroll to the >parts of interest.. self editing, and ignore the rest..also, from my >point of view, much easier to follow when in a hurry than threaded >posts. So, it suits me as it is. >Compared to other forums I am a member of, I don't know that there >is enough 'traffic' here to warrant 'threading' posts. > >Personally, I find a lot of the 'banter' interesting, despite having >no relevance to my own situation, and what makes naktalk an >interesting and varied forum.. for me anyway..and if things get too >far out of hand, Wouter would step in for sure. > > > >Gra' > >Your comment on 'self' servicing is quite relevant...that is why I >have a 481 to send in for repair :o( > > >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Jan 30 17:28:59 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:28:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaners, again... Message-ID: <43DE3ECB.8090603@yahoo.ca> Hi, I haven't followed the cleaner topic, but I have a cheap not-working contact cleaner that might be good to clean heads. It's made of 30-60% Ethanol, 1-5% Hexane, 30-60% Isopropanol and 1-5% Carbon dioxide. http://www.asalco.com/eng_pdf/contact3.PDF Would it be safe for head cleaning? And can it be used to clean rubber? (It says safe on plastics) From tomas at tlec.se Mon Jan 30 21:41:24 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:41:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 1000ZXL service manuals In-Reply-To: <000001c6242a$893bc5a0$28f3fea9@custom> Message-ID: Manuals posted on my website. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >-----Original Message----- >From: David [mailto:daves at intergate.com] >Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:47 PM >To: 'Tomas Larsson' >Subject: 1000ZXL service manuals > > > >Have they been posted yet and what is the URL? > >Dave, 1000ZXL owner From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jan 30 20:33:57 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:33:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaners, again... In-Reply-To: <43DE3ECB.8090603@yahoo.ca> References: <43DE3ECB.8090603@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43DE6A25.6080805@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi, I haven't followed the cleaner topic, but I have a cheap not-working > contact cleaner that might be good to clean heads. > > It's made of 30-60% Ethanol, 1-5% Hexane, 30-60% Isopropanol and 1-5% > Carbon dioxide. This is nearly the same as the old 1970s-vintage Teac head cleaner, except for the CO2. Just use in moderation. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Jan 30 21:50:08 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:50:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaners, again... In-Reply-To: <43DE6A25.6080805@woods-and-waters.com> References: <43DE3ECB.8090603@yahoo.ca> <43DE6A25.6080805@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43DE7C00.9000407@yahoo.ca> Hi, CO2 is just there for the can pressure I think. By the way, they also sell "head cleaner" which is just ethanol. Would it be able to clean my pinch roller properly? Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hi Antoine, > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> Hi, I haven't followed the cleaner topic, but I have a cheap >> not-working contact cleaner that might be good to clean heads. >> >> It's made of 30-60% Ethanol, 1-5% Hexane, 30-60% Isopropanol and 1-5% >> Carbon dioxide. > This is nearly the same as the old 1970s-vintage Teac head cleaner, > except for the CO2. Just use in moderation. > From rossnkiely at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 22:03:25 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:03:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Service Manual Message-ID: <6e1618b40601301303kdb11db9k26ca937f8551e0a9@mail.gmail.com> Received my 600 Service Manual today. Going to take a couple of days to familiarize myself with it Before I attempt any repairs to my Two 600 m/cs. Will also use the time to thoroughly check out the decks for all the possible problems that might need fixing that may have been missed in the initial checks.BTW. Spent about three hrs. 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Yours sincerely, Pan Am From sendigitall at yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 14:53:03 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:53:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <200601311101.k0VB0qaC017749@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060131135303.70344.qmail@web52911.mail.yahoo.com> hi i opened my bx300 and searched for the VR101 to adjust the tape speed as per service manual ,it is supposed to be in the motor PCB assembly ,jus behind the transport mechanism ,.....funny thing is.. i was not able to see any VR in that board ...?? this BX 300 came with the gear update done ....iam trying to adjust the tape speed cause i can clear hear the tape running slowing ...in play i can compensiate with the pitch control ...but during record ,and playing that cassette in other decks is quiet impossible..... did some BX300 come without that VR101 in the motor PCB assembly ??....iam quiet confused ...how do i get my tape speed correceted?.... thanks senthil --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of senthil nathan Sent: 31 January 2006 13:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment hi i opened my bx300 and searched for the VR101 to adjust the tape speed as per service manual ,it is supposed to be in the motor PCB assembly ,jus behind the transport mechanism ,.....funny thing is.. i was not able to see any VR in that board ...?? this BX 300 came with the gear update done ....iam trying to adjust the tape speed cause i can clear hear the tape running slowing ...in play i can compensiate with the pitch control ...but during record ,and playing that cassette in other decks is quiet impossible..... did some BX300 come wit! hout that VR101 in the motor PCB assembly ??....iam quiet confused ...how do i get my tape speed correceted?.... thanks senthil _____ Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 31 15:09:59 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:09:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <20060131135303.70344.qmail@web52911.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060131135303.70344.qmail@web52911.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43DF6FB7.70308@rcn.com> senthil nathan wrote: > hi > i opened my bx300 and searched for the VR101 to adjust the tape > speed as per service manual ,it is supposed to be in the motor PCB > assembly ,jus behind the transport mechanism ,.....funny thing is.. i > was not able to see any VR in that board ...?? > this BX 300 came with the gear update done ....iam trying > to adjust the tape speed cause i can clear hear the tape running slowing > ...in play i can compensiate with the pitch control ...but during record > ,and playing that cassette in other decks is quiet impossible..... > did some BX300 come > wit! hout that VR101 in the motor PCB assembly ??....iam quiet confused > ...how do i get my tape speed correceted?.... > > thanks > senthil > The adjustment is there in each and every BX-300, MR-1, CR-7, etc. that I have seen. Schematic for the motor board is part of the deck schematic, but the board layout does not appear in the deck service manual. I will try to upload the motor board layout (JPG file) to Tomas' site. Download it as soon as he makes it available and you will clearly see where the pot is located. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 31 15:38:48 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:38:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <20060131135303.70344.qmail@web52911.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060131135303.70344.qmail@web52911.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43DF7678.7080906@rcn.com> senthil nathan wrote: > hi > i opened my bx300 and searched for the VR101 to adjust the tape > speed as per service manual ,it is supposed to be in the motor PCB > assembly ,jus behind the transport mechanism ,.....funny thing is.. i > was not able to see any VR in that board ...?? > this BX 300 came with the gear update done ....iam trying > to adjust the tape speed cause i can clear hear the tape running slowing > ...in play i can compensiate with the pitch control ...but during record > ,and playing that cassette in other decks is quiet impossible..... > did some BX300 come > wit! hout that VR101 in the motor PCB assembly ??....iam quiet confused > ...how do i get my tape speed correceted?.... > > thanks > senthil Please be aware that incorrect adjustment is not the only reason for slow tape travel. Do make sure that the transport (and especially the capstans) is properly lubricated, there are no mechanical hindrances to free motion and the cassettes are good. To properly adjust the speed, you need a standard cassette with a steady 3KHz tone plus an accurate frequency counter. I doubt very much that you can adjust by ear. Best luck, -- Ron From alex at autoconsortium.com Tue Jan 31 16:47:37 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:47:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <43DF7678.7080906@rcn.com> Message-ID: <200601311448.k0VEmFrR025578@kropotkin.circlecity.net> I have a Dragon and an RX505, neither of these counters are accurate with 'real time'. My question...are there any Nak decks that have real time counters? Alex > Please be aware that incorrect adjustment is > not the only reason for slow tape travel. Do > make sure that the transport (and especially > the capstans) is properly lubricated, there > are no mechanical hindrances to free motion > and the cassettes are good. > > To properly adjust the speed, you need a > standard cassette with a steady 3KHz tone > plus an accurate frequency counter. I doubt > very much that you can adjust by ear. > > Best luck, > > -- Ron -----========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 31 16:10:16 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:10:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <200601311448.k0VEmFrR025578@kropotkin.circlecity.net> References: <200601311448.k0VEmFrR025578@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <43DF7DD8.1010602@rcn.com> The CR-7 comes to mind. You do have to manually select the cassette length. It's not mathematically accurate, but does serve for all practical purposes. -- Ron Alex Cagann wrote: > I have a Dragon and an RX505, neither of these counters are accurate with > 'real time'. My question...are there any Nak decks that have real time > counters? > > Alex > >> Please be aware that incorrect adjustment is >> not the only reason for slow tape travel. Do >> make sure that the transport (and especially >> the capstans) is properly lubricated, there >> are no mechanical hindrances to free motion >> and the cassettes are good. >> >> To properly adjust the speed, you need a >> standard cassette with a steady 3KHz tone >> plus an accurate frequency counter. I doubt >> very much that you can adjust by ear. >> >> Best luck, >> >> -- Ron > From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Tue Jan 31 16:27:55 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:27:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <200601311448.k0VEmFrR025578@kropotkin.circlecity.net> References: <43DF7678.7080906@rcn.com> <200601311448.k0VEmFrR025578@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060131101113.02fcb4d0@pop.videotron.ca> Alex, Ron is talking about a frequency counter. This is a piece of test equipment. It measures the frequency of the signal that it receives. To adjust the speed of the deck, you play a calibration tape with a reference 3000 Hz test tone recorded onto it and adjust the speed of the motor until you read this frequency on the counter. A deck that is too fast will show a frequency above 3000 on the counter and a deck that is too slow will show a frequency below 3000. To answer your question, the only Nakamichi deck with a real time counter (or a close approximation) is the CR-7. You tell deck what length of tape you are playing (e.g. C-60, C-90) and it will compute its real time position while playing by comparing the speed of the two reels. It is reasonably accurate and will work even with a tape that is not fully rewound when you insert it into the deck. Unfortunately, the tape length selection is limited and does not include things like C-100 or C-52, just the basic C-46, C-60 and C-90 plus C-46L (large hubs) if I remember well. Back when the CR-7 came out, they were pretty much the only tape lengths available. Cheers, -Marc At 10:47 01/31/2006, you wrote: >I have a Dragon and an RX505, neither of these counters are accurate with >'real time'. My question...are there any Nak decks that have real time >counters? > >Alex > > > Please be aware that incorrect adjustment is > > not the only reason for slow tape travel. Do > > make sure that the transport (and especially > > the capstans) is properly lubricated, there > > are no mechanical hindrances to free motion > > and the cassettes are good. > > > > To properly adjust the speed, you need a > > standard cassette with a steady 3KHz tone > > plus an accurate frequency counter. I doubt > > very much that you can adjust by ear. > > > > Best luck, > > > > -- Ron >-----========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 16:36:08 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:36:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <200601311448.k0VEmFrR025578@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <20060131153608.86731.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, the CR-7. --- Alex Cagann wrote: > I have a Dragon and an RX505, neither of these counters are > accurate with > 'real time'. My question...are there any Nak decks that have real > time > counters? > > Alex > > > Please be aware that incorrect adjustment is > > not the only reason for slow tape travel. Do > > make sure that the transport (and especially > > the capstans) is properly lubricated, there > > are no mechanical hindrances to free motion > > and the cassettes are good. > > > > To properly adjust the speed, you need a > > standard cassette with a steady 3KHz tone > > plus an accurate frequency counter. I doubt > > very much that you can adjust by ear. > > > > Best luck, > > > > -- Ron > -----========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 16:41:37 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:41:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <43DF7678.7080906@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060131154137.26892.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Actually you can adjust by ear fairly easily. You will still need the 3kHz calibration tape. And instead of a frequency counter you need and an accurate signal generator set to 3kHz. A test tone on a CD will work just fine. Run them both into a speaker or headphones and adjust to minimize the beat frequency. SJ --- Ron wrote: > senthil nathan wrote: > > hi > > i opened my bx300 and searched for the VR101 to adjust the > tape > > speed as per service manual ,it is supposed to be in the motor > PCB > > assembly ,jus behind the transport mechanism ,.....funny thing > is.. i > > was not able to see any VR in that board ...?? > > this BX 300 came with the gear update done ....iam > trying > > to adjust the tape speed cause i can clear hear the tape running > slowing > > ...in play i can compensiate with the pitch control ...but during > record > > ,and playing that cassette in other decks is quiet > impossible..... > > did some > BX300 come > > wit! hout that VR101 in the motor PCB assembly ??....iam quiet > confused > > ...how do i get my tape speed correceted?.... > > > > thanks > > senthil > > Please be aware that incorrect adjustment is > not the only reason for slow tape travel. Do > make sure that the transport (and especially > the capstans) is properly lubricated, there > are no mechanical hindrances to free motion > and the cassettes are good. > > To properly adjust the speed, you need a > standard cassette with a steady 3KHz tone > plus an accurate frequency counter. I doubt > very much that you can adjust by ear. > > Best luck, > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 31 17:18:40 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:18:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <200601311448.k0VEmFrR025578@kropotkin.circlecity.net> References: <200601311448.k0VEmFrR025578@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <43DF8DE0.4080207@yahoo.ca> Counters that are counting from behind the hub can't be accurate. When you play, rewind and FF the tape, the tape is not being winded with the same thightness each times : there are more or less tape turns depending on the torque. Yes, it can be done by ear : What Scott told should work fine, but it depends of your music experience. Alex Cagann a écrit : > I have a Dragon and an RX505, neither of these counters are accurate with > 'real time'. My question...are there any Nak decks that have real time > counters? > > Alex > > >> Please be aware that incorrect adjustment is >> not the only reason for slow tape travel. Do >> make sure that the transport (and especially >> the capstans) is properly lubricated, there >> are no mechanical hindrances to free motion >> and the cassettes are good. >> >> To properly adjust the speed, you need a >> standard cassette with a steady 3KHz tone >> plus an accurate frequency counter. I doubt >> very much that you can adjust by ear. >> >> Best luck, >> >> -- Ron From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Tue Jan 31 19:18:06 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:18:06 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaners again.. Message-ID: <001201c62692$af612da0$0201a8c0@lan> Antoine, Either of the Contact cleaner as described or the ethanol will be quite OK for cleaning your heads and pinch rollers. The CO2 in the contact cleaner is simply the aerosol propellant. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at autoconsortium.com Tue Jan 31 21:19:38 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:19:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] always liked this deck Message-ID: <200601311920.k0VJKGrR027893@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Used to have one, I like the aesthetic quality. Look at all the Nak stuff this guy has...man oh man. He's got two or three PA7 amps, and a good assortment of decks. Are you on this list? http://cgi.ebay.com/Akai-GX-F66RC-GX-F66R_W0QQitemZ5860787568QQcategoryZ4784 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (you may have to cut and paste) Alex From tomas at tlec.se Tue Jan 31 20:30:23 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:30:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment, JPG's on the Sankyo transport Motor PCB Message-ID: Avaible on my server. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2006\2006-12.txt ************************************************************************ From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Dec 1 00:37:40 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:37:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3WlvRek3UU2zR4l=F7sm4outQYMz@4ax.com> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:58:24 +0100, "Tomas Larsson" wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mikkel Breiler [mailto:mibm at tdcadsl.dk] >> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:42 PM >> To: tomas at tlec.se; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals >> >> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:37:04 +0100, "Tomas Larsson" >> wrote: >> >> >At the moment, I have only seen it on the Swedish site >> "Tradera", but >> >I'll guess that it wil show up on Ebay pretty soon. >> >The seller is asking for SEK 49:- approx US$4:- , so it >> isn't much money. >> >> According to my math and todays curency exchangerates it is 7 USD! > >OOPS, sorry made a mistake (was thinking on GBP) > >> >> >I don't mind that others put them on their sites, but I >> think that we >> >should be credited for it. >> >> Agree, completely. It should say who provided the scans. Not >> that anyone but Nakamichi has any rights to them, but to give >> credit is proper when you're taking something without asking. >> >> >I wonder if there is any good way to put some ID in the >> files, that is >> >difficult to remove. >> >> Can you say "Watermark"? > >I have been thinking of that, but AFAIK everything that is added to a PDF is >removable too. >I was more thinking in the line of, if it is possible to add the "credit >text" and then "flatten" the pdf, so the scan and the credit-text is merged >together to one object. >To remove it you then need to export every page to bmp and manually edit the >area. > >Obviously it has to done in some sort of batch operation, since there is a >quite a lot of pages. You must do it to the bitmaps embedded in the PDF. Export one or two pictures of a PDF, add your watermark and make a new PDF fiel with the new bitmaps you should then be able to extract the pictures and see the watermark. The best is if the watermark is there and invicible. You need to pull it out for documentation Another way is to simply make a large text across the picture in one or two minor images and recompile the PDF files, then you won't have to buy a watermark program. Several eBay sellers adopt this practice. Of course some also use watermark tools to make their images known to be theirs. It is either inserting a logo in the corner, or accross the entire image or completely incivible - which is good for schematics whre you cannot have logos and text cover up the actual info. Perhaps a mix of all practices will discourage others from nickign the works submited to your repository. The PDF files are simply a collection of images and yes someone could remove an image or substitute it like you do but where will they find the image they are removing? If they can find a source without watermarks and writings then they ould not go to all this trouble but simply use the other source. -Mikkel From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Dec 1 01:15:13 2006 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:15:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr7a alignment Message-ID: <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> Anyone have any experience with aligning this deck? Victor Gabrenas 801-694-5657 From luis at peromarta.org Fri Dec 1 09:48:08 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:48:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr7a alignment In-Reply-To: <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> References: <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <456FEC48.1010905@peromarta.org> Hi Victor There's a small calibration faq I am working on, specifically it refers to a CR7. In fact there is only 1 question, and 1 answer. By the way, feedback and inputs welcome. best rgds, LP. http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_faq.html Victor Gabrenas escribió: > Anyone have any experience with aligning this deck? > > Victor Gabrenas > 801-694-5657 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 1 15:49:48 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:49:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr7a alignment In-Reply-To: <456FEC48.1010905@peromarta.org> References: <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061201084948.0083a590@earthlink.net> Luis, Nice job and really great pictures. As it is easy to be a critic..... how about a bit of discussion about what you can NOT do ? Cautionary notes about not removing the head height gear. Notes about what tilt problems look like. Caution NOT too adjust guide or erase head height. If you discuss speed setting an the same page as head alignment, do you plan to add record bias and level calibration? On another note: a working mono Superscope deck was just given to us, so I can proceed with the track alignment test tape experiment !!!! tom brucker At 09:48 AM 12/1/06 +0100, Luis Peromarta wrote: >Hi Victor > >There's a small calibration faq I am working on, specifically it refers >to a CR7. In fact there is only 1 question, and 1 answer. > >By the way, feedback and inputs welcome. > >best rgds, LP. > >http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_faq.html > >Victor Gabrenas escribió: >> Anyone have any experience with aligning this deck? >> >> Victor Gabrenas >> 801-694-5657 >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 1 15:52:22 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:52:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr7a alignment In-Reply-To: <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061201085222.00837100@earthlink.net> Victor, There are many alignments. Many of us have both general and specific experience.If you have a specific question I will attempt to answer it. If you are searching for service, you might change your question. tom brucker At 05:15 PM 11/30/06 -0700, Victor Gabrenas wrote: >Anyone have any experience with aligning this deck? > >Victor Gabrenas >801-694-5657 > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From luis at peromarta.org Fri Dec 1 16:50:54 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:50:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr7a alignment In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061201084948.0083a590@earthlink.net> References: <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> <3.0.3.32.20061201084948.0083a590@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45704F5E.1020306@peromarta.org> Hi Tom, How about you writting those cautions, DOs and DONTs ? Not many people on the list have your experience on the decks, so you seem to be the right one ;) I will put them up on the site, and you will of course be credited. How about it? The page is intended for those who get my calibration tapes, so it can serve as a guide. Tha basic head calibration, The speed adj. is included as there is a 3Khz tape. Regarding level / bias calibration, is not included but could also be done. Anyone wants to participate? LP. Hi Tech escribió: > Luis, > Nice job and really great pictures. As it is easy to be a critic..... how > about a bit of discussion about what you can NOT do ? Cautionary notes > about not removing the head height gear. Notes about what tilt problems > look like. Caution NOT too adjust guide or erase head height. > If you discuss speed setting an the same page as head alignment, do you > plan to add record bias and level calibration? > > On another note: a working mono Superscope deck was just given to us, so I > can proceed with the track alignment test tape experiment !!!! > > tom brucker > > > At 09:48 AM 12/1/06 +0100, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Hi Victor >> >> There's a small calibration faq I am working on, specifically it refers >> to a CR7. In fact there is only 1 question, and 1 answer. >> >> By the way, feedback and inputs welcome. >> >> best rgds, LP. >> >> http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_faq.html >> >> Victor Gabrenas escribió: >>> Anyone have any experience with aligning this deck? >>> >>> Victor Gabrenas >>> 801-694-5657 >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 1 19:20:25 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:20:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr7a alignment In-Reply-To: <45704F5E.1020306@peromarta.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20061201084948.0083a590@earthlink.net> <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> <3.0.3.32.20061201084948.0083a590@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061201122025.00838af0@earthlink.net> :)) Luis, Somehow I knew this was coming! I will write the cautions if you can do the pictures. On level and bias, each model has controls with different labels. Would a generic description be suitable? I remember the ZX7 on our sales floor was always out in left field after a salesman demo. This info would help Nak owners that have always wanted to understand the external calibration decks. tom brucker At 04:50 PM 12/1/06 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Tom, > >How about you writting those cautions, DOs and DONTs ? Not many people >on the list have your experience on the decks, so you seem to be the >right one ;) > >I will put them up on the site, and you will of course be credited. How >about it? > >The page is intended for those who get my calibration tapes, so it can >serve as a guide. Tha basic head calibration, The speed adj. is included >as there is a 3Khz tape. > >Regarding level / bias calibration, is not included but could also be >done. Anyone wants to participate? > >LP. > >Hi Tech escribió: >> Luis, >> Nice job and really great pictures. As it is easy to be a critic..... how >> about a bit of discussion about what you can NOT do ? Cautionary notes >> about not removing the head height gear. Notes about what tilt problems >> look like. Caution NOT too adjust guide or erase head height. >> If you discuss speed setting an the same page as head alignment, do you >> plan to add record bias and level calibration? >> >> On another note: a working mono Superscope deck was just given to us, so I >> can proceed with the track alignment test tape experiment !!!! >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> At 09:48 AM 12/1/06 +0100, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Hi Victor >>> >>> There's a small calibration faq I am working on, specifically it refers >>> to a CR7. In fact there is only 1 question, and 1 answer. >>> >>> By the way, feedback and inputs welcome. >>> >>> best rgds, LP. >>> >>> http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_faq.html >>> >>> Victor Gabrenas escribió: >>>> Anyone have any experience with aligning this deck? >>>> >>>> Victor Gabrenas >>>> 801-694-5657 >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 1 19:49:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:49:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr7a alignment In-Reply-To: <45704F5E.1020306@peromarta.org> References: <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> <3.0.3.32.20061201084948.0083a590@earthlink.net> <45704F5E.1020306@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <45707952.60702@rcn.com> Luis, I have been following this exchange and am a bit confused... All adjustment/calibration steps are outlined in the owner and service manuals. What's the point of repeating everything? Yes, I understand the head height adjustment will be different when using your tapes. Anything else? -- Ron Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi Tom, > > How about you writting those cautions, DOs and DONTs ? Not many people > on the list have your experience on the decks, so you seem to be the > right one ;) > > I will put them up on the site, and you will of course be credited. How > about it? > > The page is intended for those who get my calibration tapes, so it can > serve as a guide. Tha basic head calibration, The speed adj. is included > as there is a 3Khz tape. > > Regarding level / bias calibration, is not included but could also be > done. Anyone wants to participate? > > LP. > > Hi Tech escribió: >> Luis, >> Nice job and really great pictures. As it is easy to be a >> critic..... how >> about a bit of discussion about what you can NOT do ? Cautionary notes >> about not removing the head height gear. Notes about what tilt problems >> look like. Caution NOT too adjust guide or erase head height. >> If you discuss speed setting an the same page as head alignment, do you >> plan to add record bias and level calibration? >> >> On another note: a working mono Superscope deck was just given to us, >> so I >> can proceed with the track alignment test tape experiment !!!! >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> At 09:48 AM 12/1/06 +0100, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Hi Victor >>> >>> There's a small calibration faq I am working on, specifically it >>> refers to a CR7. In fact there is only 1 question, and 1 answer. >>> >>> By the way, feedback and inputs welcome. >>> >>> best rgds, LP. >>> >>> http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_faq.html >>> >>> Victor Gabrenas escribió: >>>> Anyone have any experience with aligning this deck? >>>> >>>> Victor Gabrenas >>>> 801-694-5657 >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 20:19:47 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:19:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr7a alignment In-Reply-To: <45707952.60702@rcn.com> References: <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> <3.0.3.32.20061201084948.0083a590@earthlink.net> <45704F5E.1020306@peromarta.org> <45707952.60702@rcn.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612011119m418540b7k8e44b9e35f481ea9@mail.gmail.com> I think the VTVM distinction is good, along with the description of how exactly to connect it to a PC and use the metering software and whatnot for all us old analog fogies :-) -Tim On 12/1/06, Ron wrote: > > > Luis, I have been following this exchange and am a bit > confused... All adjustment/calibration steps are > outlined in the owner and service manuals. What's the > point of repeating everything? Yes, I understand the > head height adjustment will be different when using > your tapes. Anything else? > > -- Ron > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > > > How about you writting those cautions, DOs and DONTs ? Not many people > > on the list have your experience on the decks, so you seem to be the > > right one ;) > > > > I will put them up on the site, and you will of course be credited. How > > about it? > > > > The page is intended for those who get my calibration tapes, so it can > > serve as a guide. Tha basic head calibration, The speed adj. is included > > as there is a 3Khz tape. > > > > Regarding level / bias calibration, is not included but could also be > > done. Anyone wants to participate? > > > > LP. > > > > Hi Tech escribió: > >> Luis, > >> Nice job and really great pictures. As it is easy to be a > >> critic..... how > >> about a bit of discussion about what you can NOT do ? Cautionary > notes > >> about not removing the head height gear. Notes about what tilt > problems > >> look like. Caution NOT too adjust guide or erase head height. > >> If you discuss speed setting an the same page as head alignment, do you > >> plan to add record bias and level calibration? > >> > >> On another note: a working mono Superscope deck was just given to us, > >> so I > >> can proceed with the track alignment test tape experiment !!!! > >> > >> tom brucker > >> > >> > >> At 09:48 AM 12/1/06 +0100, Luis Peromarta wrote: > >>> Hi Victor > >>> > >>> There's a small calibration faq I am working on, specifically it > >>> refers to a CR7. In fact there is only 1 question, and 1 answer. > >>> > >>> By the way, feedback and inputs welcome. > >>> > >>> best rgds, LP. > >>> > >>> http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_faq.html > >>> > >>> Victor Gabrenas escribió: > >>>> Anyone have any experience with aligning this deck? > >>>> > >>>> Victor Gabrenas > >>>> 801-694-5657 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> > >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>> Maintain your account here: > >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> > >>> > >> Tom Brucker CSM > >> Hi Tech Service > >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > >> Nashville, TN 37211 > >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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BTW I am using the following equipment: Fluke 87 Techtronics 465 Dual trace Signal generator And of course my ears. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:24 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment Why should the head height adjustment be different using Luis' tapes? (as compared to using other standard quarter track tapes? Paul C ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 21:23:59 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:23:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment In-Reply-To: <000201c71585$da963820$0961659b@lcb105> References: <45708144.4090207@caribsurf.com> <000201c71585$da963820$0961659b@lcb105> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612011223w38c71172g425730a76814a62c@mail.gmail.com> I just bought a set of Luis' clones, you should too. -Tim On 12/1/06, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > > Ok I am making some progress with my CR7A. Peaking the 15k, 5k, and > setting > 400Hz for levels. Still have some issues with the autocalibration. Levels > outta wack. > > Does anyone have the original Nakamichi alignment cassettes? I am trying > to > be a perfectionist. > > > BTW I am using the following equipment: > Fluke 87 > Techtronics 465 Dual trace > Signal generator > And of course my ears. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Paul Carrington > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment > > Why should the head height adjustment be different using Luis' tapes? > (as compared to using other standard quarter track tapes? > Paul C > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 1 21:40:52 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:40:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment In-Reply-To: <000201c71585$da963820$0961659b@lcb105> Message-ID: <638127.63466.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have the 3kHz speed tape, 1kHz track alignment, 15kHz azimuth and 400 Hz level tapes, all original Nakamichi. SJ --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Ok I am making some progress with my CR7A. Peaking the 15k, 5k, and > setting > 400Hz for levels. Still have some issues with the autocalibration. > Levels > outta wack. > > Does anyone have the original Nakamichi alignment cassettes? I am > trying to > be a perfectionist. > > > BTW I am using the following equipment: > Fluke 87 > Techtronics 465 Dual trace > Signal generator > And of course my ears. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Paul Carrington > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment > > Why should the head height adjustment be different using Luis' > tapes? > (as compared to using other standard quarter track tapes? > Paul C > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Dec 1 22:06:47 2006 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:06:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment In-Reply-To: <638127.63466.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901c7158c$9d7677a0$3601000a@gabrenas> Do you want to sell them? Or can you reproduce them? I would like to find out what deck they were created from. Maybe create some more? LOL Vic -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:41 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment I have the 3kHz speed tape, 1kHz track alignment, 15kHz azimuth and 400 Hz level tapes, all original Nakamichi. SJ --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Ok I am making some progress with my CR7A. Peaking the 15k, 5k, and > setting > 400Hz for levels. Still have some issues with the autocalibration. > Levels > outta wack. > > Does anyone have the original Nakamichi alignment cassettes? I am > trying to > be a perfectionist. > > > BTW I am using the following equipment: > Fluke 87 > Techtronics 465 Dual trace > Signal generator > And of course my ears. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Paul Carrington > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment > > Why should the head height adjustment be different using Luis' > tapes? > (as compared to using other standard quarter track tapes? > Paul C > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 1 22:44:15 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:44:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment In-Reply-To: <45708144.4090207@caribsurf.com> References: <45708144.4090207@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <4570A22F.1010906@rcn.com> Paul Carrington wrote: > Why should the head height adjustment be different using Luis' tapes? > (as compared to using other standard quarter track tapes? > Paul C I believe aligning height with the original Nakamichi tape requires adjustment for *minimum* signal, where Luis's tape requires adjustment for *Maximum* signal. No big deal, but the user should be aware of it if following the Nak manual. AFAIK, the Nakamichi manual may be followed for everything else. -- Ron From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 1 23:34:15 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:34:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment In-Reply-To: <002901c7158c$9d7677a0$3601000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <20061201223415.36706.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't want to sell them at this time. No they can't be reproduced. The 3kHz speed/w&f flutter tape was (probably) produced on a deck with and extra large capstan flywheel to minimize w&f and driven by a high torque synchronous motor to minimize w&f and speed errors. If I copied it the copied tape would have the error of the original tape, the playing tape deck and the recording tape deck making it totally worthless. I could eliminate the original tape error and the play deck error by using a signal generator, but, it would still have the error (speed and W&F) of the recording deck which is several times greater than a offical cal tape. Having a tape with a low W&F isn't a concern if you are calibrating a deck, only if you are checking the decks w&f to see if, say the capstan belt needs to be replaced or the capstan bearings need to be serviced. For general deck calibration only the speed needs to be accurate. And even then the 3kHz doesn't need to be spot on. Both of my Nak 3kHz speed tapes are labeled with the speed error (as well as the w&f), so when I cal the speed I just adjust the deck for that error, which is really small. I think one tape is spot on and the other is 0.1% slow. Decks should be adjusted to +/- 0.5% or better. The 1kHz track alignment tape just can't be copied, period. I suspect that it might be possible to make a similar tape by recording a tape with the 1kHz (actual frequency is not important) signal and then recording over it with the erase and record heads removed or somehow disabled and injecting a bias current into the playback head to erase the previously recorded signal from the tape. I'm not sure if the playback head could generate enough of a magnetic field to erase the tape (definately not a metal tape, that's for sure). You would have to disconnect the PB head from the head amplifiers or they will probably get damaged. If this worked the tape would have the head height error from the recording deck. On the 15kHz azimuth tape the recorded tone doesn't really matter. It could be 16kHz or 14 kHz, it makes no difference. What does matter is that the signal be perpendicular to the tape travel. That's the hard part. I suspect that these tapes are originally made outside of the shells and then loaded into the shells after recording. The shell can introduce skew errors which will affect azimuth. The 400Hz Level tape again can't be copied. I don't know how it was originally recorded or how they checked for 400 nanoWebers/meter flux. A fairly accurate tape could be made, I guess. Calibrate a deck and then record a tone from a signal generate increasing or decreasing the level until it matched the cal tape. But, I wouldn't use the built in meters on the deck, they have poor resolution. A Nak T-100 would be perfect for this since it has, I think, 4 bars per dB on it's high resolution meters. A AC voltmeter would be good too, but, few read out in dB (like my favorite, the Fluke 8060A). When I calibrate decks I go through the standard procedure, but, at the end I check it with my Nakamichi Reference recording, "Creme de la Creme" The Nakamichi Reference recordings were recorded in real time on ZX-9's. If you have good ears you could calibrate azimuth with just this tape. I find a section of music with a lot of high frequency content (like cymbals) and adjust for clearest high frequencies. This easily gets me to within about +/-2 clicks of the azimuth of the cal tape. SJ --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Do you want to sell them? Or can you reproduce them? I would like > to find > out what deck they were created from. Maybe create some more? LOL > > Vic > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Scott Johnson > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:41 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment > > I have the 3kHz speed tape, 1kHz track alignment, 15kHz azimuth and > 400 Hz level tapes, all original Nakamichi. > > SJ > > --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > > > Ok I am making some progress with my CR7A. Peaking the 15k, 5k, > and > > setting > > 400Hz for levels. Still have some issues with the > autocalibration. > > Levels > > outta wack. > > > > Does anyone have the original Nakamichi alignment cassettes? I am > > trying to > > be a perfectionist. > > > > > > BTW I am using the following equipment: > > Fluke 87 > > Techtronics 465 Dual trace > > Signal generator > > And of course my ears. > > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > > 1-801-581-5257 > > University of Utah FAX: > > 1-801-581-4148 > > Department of Mathematics Email: > > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > > > 105 LCB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On > > Behalf > > Of Paul Carrington > > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:24 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment > > > > Why should the head height adjustment be different using Luis' > > tapes? > > (as compared to using other standard quarter track tapes? > > Paul C > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Yahoo! 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Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From luis at peromarta.org Fri Dec 1 23:46:01 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:46:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cr7a alignment In-Reply-To: <45707952.60702@rcn.com> References: <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> <000201c714dd$cbef1600$3601000a@gabrenas> <3.0.3.32.20061201084948.0083a590@earthlink.net> <45704F5E.1020306@peromarta.org> <45707952.60702@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4570B0A9.4040507@peromarta.org> No. Not much difference. Except that you can perform *basic* head alignment without a service manual, if you follow these steps. And there's some info regarding gear needed. LP. Ron escribió: > > Luis, I have been following this exchange and am a bit > confused... All adjustment/calibration steps are > outlined in the owner and service manuals. What's the > point of repeating everything? Yes, I understand the > head height adjustment will be different when using > your tapes. Anything else? > > -- Ron > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Hi Tom, >> >> How about you writting those cautions, DOs and DONTs ? Not many people >> on the list have your experience on the decks, so you seem to be the >> right one ;) >> >> I will put them up on the site, and you will of course be credited. >> How about it? >> >> The page is intended for those who get my calibration tapes, so it can >> serve as a guide. Tha basic head calibration, The speed adj. is >> included as there is a 3Khz tape. >> >> Regarding level / bias calibration, is not included but could also be >> done. Anyone wants to participate? >> >> LP. >> >> Hi Tech escribió: >>> Luis, >>> Nice job and really great pictures. As it is easy to be a >>> critic..... how >>> about a bit of discussion about what you can NOT do ? Cautionary notes >>> about not removing the head height gear. Notes about what tilt problems >>> look like. Caution NOT too adjust guide or erase head height. >>> If you discuss speed setting an the same page as head alignment, do you >>> plan to add record bias and level calibration? >>> >>> On another note: a working mono Superscope deck was just given to us, >>> so I >>> can proceed with the track alignment test tape experiment !!!! >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> >>> At 09:48 AM 12/1/06 +0100, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> Hi Victor >>>> >>>> There's a small calibration faq I am working on, specifically it >>>> refers to a CR7. In fact there is only 1 question, and 1 answer. >>>> >>>> By the way, feedback and inputs welcome. >>>> >>>> best rgds, LP. >>>> >>>> http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_faq.html >>>> >>>> Victor Gabrenas escribió: >>>>> Anyone have any experience with aligning this deck? >>>>> >>>>> Victor Gabrenas >>>>> 801-694-5657 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>> Tom Brucker CSM >>> Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Dec 1 23:56:06 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:56:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment In-Reply-To: <20061201223415.36706.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13735.50915.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have to add few of my observation here. 400 HZ Level tape (Nakamichi) waveform should be observed in a scope to see the cleanliness of the waveform. I also checked the 15 Khz azimuth tape and it has equally clean sine wave. Try to record 400 Hz sine wave on your most expensive Nakamichi and compare! My conclusion is that Nakamichi ( or its subcontractor ??? as my tapes shipped from a Malasian company ) had a special recorder or special equipment to do these tapes. I paid approximately 120$ base price for each of these tapes and also paid high customs duty in India! Stephen Sank commented that I got these tapes cheap from Nakamichi. Track alignment tape and 400 Hz level tape ( atleast track alignment Tape )- they are a must to do these calibration. And you also need tilt check gage. It is invaluable gauge to correct the head tilt for play and record heads. Without this , you cannot get the Nakamichi sound! period Kannan Scott Johnson wrote: I don't want to sell them at this time. No they can't be reproduced. The 3kHz speed/w&f flutter tape was (probably) produced on a deck with and extra large capstan flywheel to minimize w&f and driven by a high torque synchronous motor to minimize w&f and speed errors. If I copied it the copied tape would have the error of the original tape, the playing tape deck and the recording tape deck making it totally worthless. I could eliminate the original tape error and the play deck error by using a signal generator, but, it would still have the error (speed and W&F) of the recording deck which is several times greater than a offical cal tape. Having a tape with a low W&F isn't a concern if you are calibrating a deck, only if you are checking the decks w&f to see if, say the capstan belt needs to be replaced or the capstan bearings need to be serviced. For general deck calibration only the speed needs to be accurate. And even then the 3kHz doesn't need to be spot on. Both of my Nak 3kHz speed tapes are labeled with the speed error (as well as the w&f), so when I cal the speed I just adjust the deck for that error, which is really small. I think one tape is spot on and the other is 0.1% slow. Decks should be adjusted to +/- 0.5% or better. The 1kHz track alignment tape just can't be copied, period. I suspect that it might be possible to make a similar tape by recording a tape with the 1kHz (actual frequency is not important) signal and then recording over it with the erase and record heads removed or somehow disabled and injecting a bias current into the playback head to erase the previously recorded signal from the tape. I'm not sure if the playback head could generate enough of a magnetic field to erase the tape (definately not a metal tape, that's for sure). You would have to disconnect the PB head from the head amplifiers or they will probably get damaged. If this worked the tape would have the head height error from the recording deck. On the 15kHz azimuth tape the recorded tone doesn't really matter. It could be 16kHz or 14 kHz, it makes no difference. What does matter is that the signal be perpendicular to the tape travel. That's the hard part. I suspect that these tapes are originally made outside of the shells and then loaded into the shells after recording. The shell can introduce skew errors which will affect azimuth. The 400Hz Level tape again can't be copied. I don't know how it was originally recorded or how they checked for 400 nanoWebers/meter flux. A fairly accurate tape could be made, I guess. Calibrate a deck and then record a tone from a signal generate increasing or decreasing the level until it matched the cal tape. But, I wouldn't use the built in meters on the deck, they have poor resolution. A Nak T-100 would be perfect for this since it has, I think, 4 bars per dB on it's high resolution meters. A AC voltmeter would be good too, but, few read out in dB (like my favorite, the Fluke 8060A). When I calibrate decks I go through the standard procedure, but, at the end I check it with my Nakamichi Reference recording, "Creme de la Creme" The Nakamichi Reference recordings were recorded in real time on ZX-9's. If you have good ears you could calibrate azimuth with just this tape. I find a section of music with a lot of high frequency content (like cymbals) and adjust for clearest high frequencies. This easily gets me to within about +/-2 clicks of the azimuth of the cal tape. SJ --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Do you want to sell them? Or can you reproduce them? I would like > to find > out what deck they were created from. Maybe create some more? LOL > > Vic > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Scott Johnson > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:41 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment > > I have the 3kHz speed tape, 1kHz track alignment, 15kHz azimuth and > 400 Hz level tapes, all original Nakamichi. > > SJ > > --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > > > Ok I am making some progress with my CR7A. Peaking the 15k, 5k, > and > > setting > > 400Hz for levels. Still have some issues with the > autocalibration. > > Levels > > outta wack. > > > > Does anyone have the original Nakamichi alignment cassettes? I am > > trying to > > be a perfectionist. > > > > > > BTW I am using the following equipment: > > Fluke 87 > > Techtronics 465 Dual trace > > Signal generator > > And of course my ears. > > > > Victor M. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Dec 1 23:57:50 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:57:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment In-Reply-To: <20061201223415.36706.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061201223415.36706.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4570B36E.2030601@peromarta.org> Scott, you are mostly right. I don't think none of us can produce a set of calibration tapes as good as the originals. The best approach I can figure out is the way I make equivalent test tapes. My procedures are different for each one, i.e. level on 400Hz tape is very important, where as it is not so important on the W&F tape. Thing is, after *a lot* of trial and error, I am able to produce a set of calibration tapes that put the deck in the exact same alignmet position as the originals. And they do so on my ZX-7, ZX-9, dragon and CR7. I guess for someone with no access to anything better, they are the *next-best-thing*. If Nak originals were easily available, we probably would not be having this dicussion right now. Best rgds, LP. Scott Johnson escribió: > I don't want to sell them at this time. No they can't be reproduced. > > > The 3kHz speed/w&f flutter tape was (probably) produced on a deck > with and extra large capstan flywheel to minimize w&f and driven by a > high torque synchronous motor to minimize w&f and speed errors. If I > copied it the copied tape would have the error of the original tape, > the playing tape deck and the recording tape deck making it totally > worthless. I could eliminate the original tape error and the play > deck error by using a signal generator, but, it would still have the > error (speed and W&F) of the recording deck which is several times > greater than a offical cal tape. Having a tape with a low W&F isn't > a concern if you are calibrating a deck, only if you are checking the > decks w&f to see if, say the capstan belt needs to be replaced or the > capstan bearings need to be serviced. For general deck calibration > only the speed needs to be accurate. And even then the 3kHz doesn't > need to be spot on. Both of my Nak 3kHz speed tapes are labeled with > the speed error (as well as the w&f), so when I cal the speed I just > adjust the deck for that error, which is really small. I think one > tape is spot on and the other is 0.1% slow. Decks should be adjusted > to +/- 0.5% or better. > > The 1kHz track alignment tape just can't be copied, period. I > suspect that it might be possible to make a similar tape by recording > a tape with the 1kHz (actual frequency is not important) signal and > then recording over it with the erase and record heads removed or > somehow disabled and injecting a bias current into the playback head > to erase the previously recorded signal from the tape. I'm not sure > if the playback head could generate enough of a magnetic field to > erase the tape (definately not a metal tape, that's for sure). You > would have to disconnect the PB head from the head amplifiers or they > will probably get damaged. If this worked the tape would have the > head height error from the recording deck. > > On the 15kHz azimuth tape the recorded tone doesn't really matter. > It could be 16kHz or 14 kHz, it makes no difference. What does > matter is that the signal be perpendicular to the tape travel. > That's the hard part. I suspect that these tapes are originally made > outside of the shells and then loaded into the shells after > recording. The shell can introduce skew errors which will affect > azimuth. > > The 400Hz Level tape again can't be copied. I don't know how it was > originally recorded or how they checked for 400 nanoWebers/meter > flux. A fairly accurate tape could be made, I guess. Calibrate a > deck and then record a tone from a signal generate increasing or > decreasing the level until it matched the cal tape. But, I wouldn't > use the built in meters on the deck, they have poor resolution. A > Nak T-100 would be perfect for this since it has, I think, 4 bars per > dB on it's high resolution meters. A AC voltmeter would be good too, > but, few read out in dB (like my favorite, the Fluke 8060A). > > When I calibrate decks I go through the standard procedure, but, at > the end I check it with my Nakamichi Reference recording, "Creme de > la Creme" The Nakamichi Reference recordings were recorded in real > time on ZX-9's. If you have good ears you could calibrate azimuth > with just this tape. I find a section of music with a lot of high > frequency content (like cymbals) and adjust for clearest high > frequencies. This easily gets me to within about +/-2 clicks of the > azimuth of the cal tape. > > SJ > > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sat Dec 2 00:14:07 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:14:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment In-Reply-To: <4570B36E.2030601@peromarta.org> References: <20061201223415.36706.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4570B36E.2030601@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612011514j7dcb46c7q47bee9860d6a908f@mail.gmail.com> I see a lot of mechanical adjustment tapes on TEAC's Japan website, but no details or ordering info. Anyone know if these are in fact usable for Nak mechanical adjustment purposes? The TTG-100 specifically is interesting ... -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sat Dec 2 02:08:28 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:08:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment In-Reply-To: <4570A22F.1010906@rcn.com> References: <45708144.4090207@caribsurf.com> <4570A22F.1010906@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4570D20C.3000006@caribsurf.com> I infer that the Nakamichi tape had tracks which was located between the two heads so you adjusted for minimum signal. :Luis tape would have the tracks as they should ]be on a normal tape, hence you adjust for max. But the result should be the same in terms of height, surely Regards Ron wrote: > Paul Carrington wrote: >> Why should the head height adjustment be different using Luis' tapes? >> (as compared to using other standard quarter track tapes? >> Paul C > > I believe aligning height with the original Nakamichi tape > requires adjustment for *minimum* signal, where Luis's tape > requires adjustment for *Maximum* signal. No big deal, but > the user should be aware of it if following the Nak manual. > > AFAIK, the Nakamichi manual may be followed for everything > else. > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Dec 2 06:31:15 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:31:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment In-Reply-To: <4570D20C.3000006@caribsurf.com> References: <45708144.4090207@caribsurf.com> <4570A22F.1010906@rcn.com> <4570D20C.3000006@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <45710FA3.4020704@rcn.com> In theory, yes. In practice, the minimum is fairly sharp, making for accurate adjustment. The maximum tends to be broad, making it more difficult to get the adjustment spot on. However, I agree that if one is very patient, it should still be possible to achieve accurate adjustment with Luis's tape. -- Ron Paul Carrington wrote: > I infer that the Nakamichi tape had tracks which was located between > the two heads so you adjusted for minimum signal. > :Luis tape would have the tracks as they should ]be on a normal tape, > hence you adjust for max. But the result should > be the same in terms of height, surely > Regards > > > Ron wrote: >> Paul Carrington wrote: >>> Why should the head height adjustment be different using Luis' tapes? >>> (as compared to using other standard quarter track tapes? >>> Paul C >> >> I believe aligning height with the original Nakamichi tape >> requires adjustment for *minimum* signal, where Luis's tape >> requires adjustment for *Maximum* signal. No big deal, but >> the user should be aware of it if following the Nak manual. >> >> AFAIK, the Nakamichi manual may be followed for everything >> else. >> >> -- Ron From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 2 07:18:22 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:18:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment Message-ID: <20061202061823.27436.qmail@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Test Tapes are produces using a pure sinewave generator, associated electronics and a purpose built jig right? Bala Ganesh 79Labs ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Carrington To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2006 9:08:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment I infer that the Nakamichi tape had tracks which was located between the two heads so you adjusted for minimum signal. :Luis tape would have the tracks as they should ]be on a normal tape, hence you adjust for max. But the result should be the same in terms of height, surely Regards Ron wrote: > Paul Carrington wrote: >> Why should the head height adjustment be different using Luis' tapes? >> (as compared to using other standard quarter track tapes? >> Paul C > > I believe aligning height with the original Nakamichi tape > requires adjustment for *minimum* signal, where Luis's tape > requires adjustment for *Maximum* signal. No big deal, but > the user should be aware of it if following the Nak manual. > > AFAIK, the Nakamichi manual may be followed for everything > else. > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Dec 2 10:18:02 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 10:18:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment In-Reply-To: <45710FA3.4020704@rcn.com> References: <45708144.4090207@caribsurf.com> <4570A22F.1010906@rcn.com> <4570D20C.3000006@caribsurf.com> <45710FA3.4020704@rcn.com> Message-ID: <457144CA.6030905@peromarta.org> Ron, From my own experience, the minimum level (tape's noise floor at aprox. -55dB) is about 4 clicks wide. My calibration procedure is visually marking the first click when level is minimum, marking the last clik, and leave at the center between them. This can also be done by ear, when at the minimum there is only noise and the 1KHz tone cannot be heard, and is very, very easy to spot the point at which it is heard again in one of the channels. With my tape, you find the maximum output is produced in no more than 4 clicks, again, I leave it at the center. rgds, LP. Ron escribió: > > In theory, yes. In practice, the minimum is fairly sharp, > making for accurate adjustment. The maximum tends to be > broad, making it more difficult to get the adjustment spot > on. However, I agree that if one is very patient, it > should still be possible to achieve accurate adjustment > with Luis's tape. > > -- Ron > > > Paul Carrington wrote: >> I infer that the Nakamichi tape had tracks which was located between >> the two heads so you adjusted for minimum signal. >> :Luis tape would have the tracks as they should ]be on a normal tape, >> hence you adjust for max. But the result should >> be the same in terms of height, surely >> Regards >> >> >> Ron wrote: >>> Paul Carrington wrote: >>>> Why should the head height adjustment be different using Luis' >>>> tapes? (as compared to using other standard quarter track tapes? >>>> Paul C >>> >>> I believe aligning height with the original Nakamichi tape >>> requires adjustment for *minimum* signal, where Luis's tape >>> requires adjustment for *Maximum* signal. No big deal, but >>> the user should be aware of it if following the Nak manual. >>> >>> AFAIK, the Nakamichi manual may be followed for everything >>> else. >>> >>> -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 2 17:33:27 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 08:33:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061129100917.007a2600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <556758.33034.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Question on azimuth. When I record on my MR1 and play it back on my "cassette deck 1" the sound is slightly better adjusting the azimuth (front panel adjustment) just off center, about "one o:clock" position. It is very slight and most people may not hear any difference. Is this normal? Thanks, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Dec 2 19:30:23 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:30:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <556758.33034.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <556758.33034.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4571C63F.2010907@peromarta.org> Bob Naylor escribió: > *Question on azimuth.* > *When I record on my MR1 and play it back on my "cassette deck 1" the > sound is slightly better adjusting the azimuth (front panel adjustment) > just off center, about "one o:clock" position. It is very slight and > most people may not hear any difference. Is this normal? * Yes it is. Cassette shell, among other things may influence on the azimuth position. Tape formulation sometimes matters too, type IV and tape II do requiere different recording head azimuth postions, as anyone with a ZX7 or ZX9 surely knows. This positions, however, are just "one click" away from each other, so your 1 O'Clock position looks good to me. rgds, LP. From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 2 20:28:22 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 11:28:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <4571C63F.2010907@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <76302.11938.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Luis! Luis Peromarta wrote: Bob Naylor escribió: > *Question on azimuth.* > *When I record on my MR1 and play it back on my "cassette deck 1" the > sound is slightly better adjusting the azimuth (front panel adjustment) > just off center, about "one o:clock" position. It is very slight and > most people may not hear any difference. Is this normal? * Yes it is. Cassette shell, among other things may influence on the azimuth position. Tape formulation sometimes matters too, type IV and tape II do requiere different recording head azimuth postions, as anyone with a ZX7 or ZX9 surely knows. This positions, however, are just "one click" away from each other, so your 1 O'Clock position looks good to me. rgds, LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 2 20:53:10 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 13:53:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment In-Reply-To: <000201c71585$da963820$0961659b@lcb105> References: <45708144.4090207@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061202135310.007a2600@earthlink.net> I have cassettes and gauges. If you search the archives we had interesting discussions about making test tapes. A few of us are working on ideas to DIY. It is very difficult for me to comment when you describe issues so briefly. I have always posited that the quality of the answer is porportional to the quality of the question. tom brucker At 01:18 PM 12/1/06 -0700, you wrote: >Ok I am making some progress with my CR7A. Peaking the 15k, 5k, and setting >400Hz for levels. Still have some issues with the autocalibration. Levels >outta wack. > >Does anyone have the original Nakamichi alignment cassettes? I am trying to >be a perfectionist. > > >BTW I am using the following equipment: >Fluke 87 >Techtronics 465 Dual trace >Signal generator >And of course my ears. > >Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Paul Carrington >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:24 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Aligfnment Adjustment > >Why should the head height adjustment be different using Luis' tapes? >(as compared to using other standard quarter track tapes? >Paul C >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 2 21:19:09 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 14:19:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <556758.33034.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20061129100917.007a2600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061202141909.007a4470@earthlink.net> I disagree with Luis. Only by aligning both decks with the same azimuth tape can you eliminate the differences. one or the other may be "right" but both could be wrong! I always laugh inside when a customer brings in a deck for speed problems...I ask" how did you measure it?" The answer always includes playing the tape on another machine. Since almost all decks run at the wrong speed....(except Naks, really) I know that BOTH decks are wrong. Tape skew differences cannot be heard in stereo. If you are youthful, you might hear differences in mono. tom brucker At 08:33 AM 12/2/06 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Question on azimuth. When I record on my MR1 and play it back on my "cassette deck 1" the sound is slightly better adjusting the azimuth (front panel adjustment) just off center, about "one o:clock" position. It is very slight and most people may not hear any difference. Is this normal? Thanks, Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From luis at peromarta.org Sat Dec 2 21:55:28 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061202141909.007a4470@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061129100917.007a2600@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20061202141909.007a4470@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4571E840.40501@peromarta.org> This is an issue I always wanted to bing up. To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 (or 9), recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say a metal TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable recording head (RH) azimuth. Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by adjusting RH azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the previous metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, formulation or both. By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape that plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I load any of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is CR7 center position. Good. Now let's try something different. Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape - or as close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed RH azimuth position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting PH azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position is, it searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the 400Hz tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth again. Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a metal tape (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one searched for during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the recorded tape will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my ZX7 and ZX9. Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and autocalibrate. The CR7 finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. This time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can check this by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the reference position. If you start recording your favourite program, and start moving the manual azimuth control, you will notice the best performance is NOT achieved at center position, but up to 2 segments from center. If you record a 15KHz tone you will see what I mean, even easily. Of course If I take this last tape to a ZX7 or ZX9, the azimuth will NOT be right. But I can't adjust these decks PH azimuth position, so sound will NOT be perfect. OK, OK, but is good enough. That's why I record my azimuth tapes on ZX9 and ZX7, so they are good for any deck. And that's why I usually prefer to record my tapes on my ZX9. Sorry for the long writting. best rgds., LP. Hi Tech escribió: > I disagree with Luis. > Only by aligning both decks with the same azimuth tape can you eliminate > the differences. one or the other may be "right" but both could be wrong! > > I always laugh inside when a customer brings in a deck for speed > problems...I ask" how did you measure it?" > The answer always includes playing the tape on another machine. Since > almost all decks run at the wrong speed....(except Naks, really) I know > that BOTH decks are wrong. > Tape skew differences cannot be heard in stereo. If you are youthful, you > might hear differences in mono. > > tom brucker > > At 08:33 AM 12/2/06 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: > Question on azimuth. > When I record on my MR1 and play it back on my "cassette deck 1" the sound > is slightly better adjusting the azimuth (front panel adjustment) just off > center, about "one o:clock" position. It is very slight and most people > may not hear any difference. Is this normal? > Thanks, Bob > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 2 22:34:17 2006 From: wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net (wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 16:34:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Message-ID: <20061202213417.UJTY14520.ibm68aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> I have a dragon that after a while the tape speed changes. It plays normal for a while than it get slower and slower. Also when playing in the reverse mode sometimes eats tapes. From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sat Dec 2 23:57:16 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 16:57:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A ton of Nak MR-2Bs for sale Message-ID: <6bddc1110612021457p35a2fdf3vbe9334e329aad7cf@mail.gmail.com> http://www.realtimepip.com/gsale.htm - they also have spare MR parts. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 3 01:11:12 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 16:11:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A ton of Nak MR-2Bs for sale In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110612021457p35a2fdf3vbe9334e329aad7cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <985361.81368.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmmm. $5200 for 5 racks of 11 decks each (55 decks). That's not a great deal. I got 107 MR-1's (3-head, not 2-head) in 11 racks with lots of cables and two Pro DAT decks (one Sony PCM-2700 and one Panasonic SV-3800) for $6000. And that was 6 years ago. I found them on eBay too. Originally listed for $10K, I offered $6K which he originally turned down then he called back almost two weeks later to see if my offer was still good. The seller was David Manley, the founder of Manley Labs, which his ex-wife now owns. As for the spare parts, the prices are little high, but, considering they are no longer obtainable (except for cannibalizing another deck) the control motor would be a must purchase and the reel motor wouldn't be a bad choice either. I wish he was selling new pitch control pots. That is the single most troublesome item I've found in the MR-1's. SJ --- Tim Skorick wrote: > http://www.realtimepip.com/gsale.htm - they also have spare MR > parts. > > -Tim > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Sun Dec 3 03:02:42 2006 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:02:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Message-ID: LP, when you say recording on the ZX-7/9 is good for any deck, I am sure you will agree that is on the condition that both decks are properly set up. The key on these decks as well as decks with adjustable record/playback azimuth is how accurate is the fixed head or the head the deck uses as its reference. If the fixed head is off and you calibrate and record then this recording is unlikely to sound as good when played on another perfectly set up deck. This might be hard to comprehend when no difference was heard when comparing the source and tape of the recording being made. Of course, all this becomes mute when the playback deck is a Dragon. Some say the Dragon adjusts only at the beginning at the tape being played when those green arrows flash. But I have seen otherwise. On one occasion, I deliberately threw off the record azimuth on a ZX-9 and recorded. When I engaged the monitor switch the difference was huge and the sound was awful and unacceptable. On play back on the ZX-9 the result was equally awful. I then threw this tape into a Dragon, and it amazingly sounded good.The record azimuth was so extremely off that I began hearing clicks which I deduced the Dragon was nearing the end of its adjustment. I tired this experiment on a side of a tape that had recordings that were properly calibrated and every time Dragon would adjust and the sound was very good. Those green arrows only flashed at the beginning of the tape but did not flash at other parts of the tape where the record azimuth was deliberately miscalibrated. This is the beauty of NAAC. It continually monitors the record azimuth of the tape during playback and adjusts its PB head whenever necessary. With a CR7, you would have to be around to make the adjustment of the playback head manually. These are just my observations with my decks. I do not know or profess to know much machanically and would encourage questions be directed to the experts on this site. regards boogie ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100 > From: luis at peromarta.org > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth > > This is an issue I always wanted to bing up. > > To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 (or 9), > recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say a metal > TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable > recording head (RH) azimuth. > > Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by adjusting RH > azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the previous > metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, > formulation or both. > > By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape that > plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I load any > of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is CR7 > center position. Good. > > Now let's try something different. > > Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape - or as > close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed RH azimuth > position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting PH > azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position is, it > searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the 400Hz > tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth again. > > Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a metal tape > (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one searched for > during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the recorded tape > will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my ZX7 and ZX9. > > Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and autocalibrate. The CR7 > finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. This > time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can check this > by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the reference > position. > > If you start recording your favourite program, and start moving the > manual azimuth control, you will notice the best performance is NOT > achieved at center position, but up to 2 segments from center. If you > record a 15KHz tone you will see what I mean, even easily. > > Of course If I take this last tape to a ZX7 or ZX9, the azimuth will NOT > be right. But I can't adjust these decks PH azimuth position, so sound > will NOT be perfect. OK, OK, but is good enough. > > That's why I record my azimuth tapes on ZX9 and ZX7, so they are good > for any deck. And that's why I usually prefer to record my tapes on my ZX9. > > Sorry for the long writting. > > best rgds., LP. > > > Hi Tech escribió: > > I disagree with Luis. > > Only by aligning both decks with the same azimuth tape can you eliminate > > the differences. one or the other may be "right" but both could be wrong! > > > > I always laugh inside when a customer brings in a deck for speed > > problems...I ask" how did you measure it?" > > The answer always includes playing the tape on another machine. Since > > almost all decks run at the wrong speed....(except Naks, really) I know > > that BOTH decks are wrong. > > Tape skew differences cannot be heard in stereo. If you are youthful, you > > might hear differences in mono. > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 08:33 AM 12/2/06 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: > > Question on azimuth. > > When I record on my MR1 and play it back on my "cassette deck 1" the sound > > is slightly better adjusting the azimuth (front panel adjustment) just off > > center, about "one o:clock" position. It is very slight and most people > > may not hear any difference. Is this normal? > > Thanks, Bob > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > <<<< > > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From lenaw at flash.net Sun Dec 3 03:33:16 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:33:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c71683$643a7cf0$b8c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Boogie: Are you sure that the NAAC in the DRAGON constantly monitors the tape during playback? I thought it only does it in the beginning and it will stop after a particular number of seconds have passed even though if no solution has been obtained. The technology would be more advanced at that time if it really can monitor the azimuth constantly throughout the entire playback of a tape. Correct me if this is wrong. Thanks. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of boogie man Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth LP, when you say recording on the ZX-7/9 is good for any deck, I am sure you will agree that is on the condition that both decks are properly set up. The key on these decks as well as decks with adjustable record/playback azimuth is how accurate is the fixed head or the head the deck uses as its reference. If the fixed head is off and you calibrate and record then this recording is unlikely to sound as good when played on another perfectly set up deck. This might be hard to comprehend when no difference was heard when comparing the source and tape of the recording being made. Of course, all this becomes mute when the playback deck is a Dragon. Some say the Dragon adjusts only at the beginning at the tape being played when those green arrows flash. But I have seen otherwise. On one occasion, I deliberately threw off the record azimuth on a ZX-9 and recorded. When I engaged the monitor switch the difference was huge and the sound was awful and unacceptable. On play back on the ZX-9 the result was equally awful. I then threw this tape into a Dragon, and it amazingly sounded good.The record azimuth was so extremely off that I began hearing clicks which I deduced the Dragon was nearing the end of its adjustment. I tired this experiment on a side of a tape that had recordings that were properly calibrated and every time Dragon would adjust and the sound was very good. Those green arrows only flashed at the beginning of the tape but did not flash at other parts of the tape where the record azimuth was deliberately miscalibrated. This is the beauty of NAAC. It continually monitors the record azimuth of the tape during playback and adjusts its PB head whenever necessary. With a CR7, you would have to be around to make the adjustment of the playback head manually. These are just my observations with my decks. I do not know or profess to know much machanically and would encourage questions be directed to the experts on this site. regards boogie ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100 > From: luis at peromarta.org > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth > > This is an issue I always wanted to bing up. > > To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 (or 9), > recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say a metal > TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable > recording head (RH) azimuth. > > Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by adjusting RH > azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the previous > metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, > formulation or both. > > By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape that > plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I load any > of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is CR7 > center position. Good. > > Now let's try something different. > > Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape - or as > close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed RH azimuth > position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting PH > azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position is, it > searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the 400Hz > tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth again. > > Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a metal tape > (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one searched for > during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the recorded tape > will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my ZX7 and ZX9. > > Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and autocalibrate. The CR7 > finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. This > time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can check this > by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the reference > position. > > If you start recording your favourite program, and start moving the > manual azimuth control, you will notice the best performance is NOT > achieved at center position, but up to 2 segments from center. If you > record a 15KHz tone you will see what I mean, even easily. > > Of course If I take this last tape to a ZX7 or ZX9, the azimuth will NOT > be right. But I can't adjust these decks PH azimuth position, so sound > will NOT be perfect. OK, OK, but is good enough. > > That's why I record my azimuth tapes on ZX9 and ZX7, so they are good > for any deck. And that's why I usually prefer to record my tapes on my ZX9. > > Sorry for the long writting. > > best rgds., LP. > > > Hi Tech escribió: > > I disagree with Luis. > > Only by aligning both decks with the same azimuth tape can you eliminate > > the differences. one or the other may be "right" but both could be wrong! > > > > I always laugh inside when a customer brings in a deck for speed > > problems...I ask" how did you measure it?" > > The answer always includes playing the tape on another machine. Since > > almost all decks run at the wrong speed....(except Naks, really) I know > > that BOTH decks are wrong. > > Tape skew differences cannot be heard in stereo. If you are youthful, you > > might hear differences in mono. > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 08:33 AM 12/2/06 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: > > Question on azimuth. > > When I record on my MR1 and play it back on my "cassette deck 1" the sound > > is slightly better adjusting the azimuth (front panel adjustment) just off > > center, about "one o:clock" position. It is very slight and most people > > may not hear any difference. Is this normal? > > Thanks, Bob > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > <<<< > > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-491 1fb2b2e6d ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 3 04:25:47 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:25:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <000001c71683$643a7cf0$b8c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: <141174.8912.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, You are correct. NAAC does NOT continuously monitor azimuth. The NAAC only works for a short time after it has detected a certain amount of no audio. It will also reactive if stop and play is pressed and when direction has changed. I think I have complete details on my web site. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html under the heading "What is NAAC?" It is also on page 4 of the Dragon brochure. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Brochures/Dragon_Pg04.html --- lenaw wrote: > Boogie: > Are you sure that the NAAC in the DRAGON constantly monitors > the tape > during playback? I thought it only does it in the beginning and it > will stop > after a particular number of seconds have passed even though if no > solution > has been obtained. > The technology would be more advanced at that time if it > really can > monitor the azimuth constantly throughout the entire playback of a > tape. > Correct me if this is wrong. Thanks. > > > Regards, > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of boogie man > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:03 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth > > > LP, when you say recording on the ZX-7/9 is good for any deck, I > am > sure you will agree that is on the condition that both decks are > properly > set up. > > The key on these decks as well as decks with adjustable > record/playback > azimuth is how > accurate is the fixed head or the head the deck uses as its > reference. If > the fixed head is > off and you calibrate and record then this recording is unlikely to > sound as > good when > played on another perfectly set up deck. This might be hard to > comprehend > when no difference was heard > when comparing the source and tape of the recording being made. > > Of course, all this becomes mute when the playback deck is a > Dragon. Some > say the Dragon adjusts > only at the beginning at the tape being played when those green > arrows > flash. But I have seen otherwise. > On one occasion, I deliberately threw off the record azimuth on a > ZX-9 and > recorded. When I engaged the monitor switch > the difference was huge and the sound was awful and unacceptable. > On play > back on the ZX-9 the result was equally awful. I then threw this > tape into a > Dragon, and it amazingly sounded good.The record azimuth was so > extremely > off that I began hearing clicks which I deduced the Dragon was > nearing the > end of its adjustment. I tired this experiment on a side of a tape > that had > recordings that were properly calibrated and every time Dragon > would adjust > and the sound was very good. Those green arrows only flashed at the > beginning of the tape but did not flash at other parts of the tape > where the > record azimuth was deliberately miscalibrated. > > This is the beauty of NAAC. It continually monitors the record > azimuth of > the tape during playback and adjusts its PB head whenever > necessary. With a CR7, you would have to be around to make the > adjustment of > the playback head manually. > > These are just my observations with my decks. I do not know or > profess to > know much machanically and would encourage questions > be directed to the experts on this site. > > regards > boogie > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100 > > From: luis at peromarta.org > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth > > > > This is an issue I always wanted to bing up. > > > > To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 > (or 9), > > recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say a > metal > > TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable > > recording head (RH) azimuth. > > > > Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by > adjusting RH > > azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the > previous > > metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, > > formulation or both. > > > > By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape > that > > plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I > load any > > of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is > CR7 > > center position. Good. > > > > Now let's try something different. > > > > Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape - > or as > > close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed RH > azimuth > > position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting PH > > > azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position is, > it > > searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the > 400Hz > > tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth > again. > > > > Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a metal > tape > > (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one searched > for > > during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the > recorded tape > > will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my ZX7 > and ZX9. > > > > Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and autocalibrate. > The CR7 > > finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. > This > > time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can > check this > > by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the > reference > > position. > > > > If you start recording your favourite program, and start moving > the > > manual azimuth control, you will notice the best performance is > NOT > > achieved at center position, but up to 2 segments from center. If > you > > record a 15KHz tone you will see what I mean, even easily. > > > > Of course If I take this last tape to a ZX7 or ZX9, the azimuth > will NOT > > be right. But I can't adjust these decks PH azimuth position, so > sound > > will NOT be perfect. OK, OK, but is good enough. > > > > That's why I record my azimuth tapes on ZX9 and ZX7, so they are > good > > for any deck. And that's why I usually prefer to record my tapes > on my > ZX9. > > > > Sorry for the long writting. > > > > best rgds., LP. > > > > > > Hi Tech escribió: > > > I disagree with Luis. > > > Only by aligning both decks with the same azimuth tape can you > eliminate > > > the differences. one or the other may be "right" but both could > be > wrong! > > > > > > I always laugh inside when a customer brings in a deck for > speed > > > problems...I ask" how did you measure it?" > > > The answer always includes playing the tape on another machine. > Since > > > almost all decks run at the wrong speed....(except Naks, > really) I know > > > that BOTH decks are wrong. > > > Tape skew differences cannot be heard in stereo. If you are > youthful, > you > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Dec 3 04:59:27 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:59:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <141174.8912.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <108103.726.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NAAC will start again if it detects sudden burst of high frequency signals are present. It settles after 10 -15 seconds once the azimuth is corrected. It also activated once the door is opened and closed. It can detect very HF signals that you do not normally hear! Kannan Scott Johnson wrote: Mike, You are correct. NAAC does NOT continuously monitor azimuth. The NAAC only works for a short time after it has detected a certain amount of no audio. It will also reactive if stop and play is pressed and when direction has changed. I think I have complete details on my web site. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html under the heading "What is NAAC?" It is also on page 4 of the Dragon brochure. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Brochures/Dragon_Pg04.html --- lenaw wrote: > Boogie: > Are you sure that the NAAC in the DRAGON constantly monitors > the tape > during playback? I thought it only does it in the beginning and it > will stop > after a particular number of seconds have passed even though if no > solution > has been obtained. > The technology would be more advanced at that time if it > really can > monitor the azimuth constantly throughout the entire playback of a > tape. > Correct me if this is wrong. Thanks. > > > Regards, > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of boogie man > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:03 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth > > > LP, when you say recording on the ZX-7/9 is good for any deck, I > am > sure you will agree that is on the condition that both decks are > properly > set up. > > The key on these decks as well as decks with adjustable > record/playback > azimuth is how > accurate is the fixed head or the head the deck uses as its > reference. If > the fixed head is > off and you calibrate and record then this recording is unlikely to > sound as > good when > played on another perfectly set up deck. This might be hard to > comprehend > when no difference was heard > when comparing the source and tape of the recording being made. > > Of course, all this becomes mute when the playback deck is a > Dragon. Some > say the Dragon adjusts > only at the beginning at the tape being played when those green > arrows > flash. But I have seen otherwise. > On one occasion, I deliberately threw off the record azimuth on a > ZX-9 and > recorded. When I engaged the monitor switch > the difference was huge and the sound was awful and unacceptable. > On play > back on the ZX-9 the result was equally awful. I then threw this > tape into a > Dragon, and it amazingly sounded good.The record azimuth was so > extremely > off that I began hearing clicks which I deduced the Dragon was > nearing the > end of its adjustment. I tired this experiment on a side of a tape > that had > recordings that were properly calibrated and every time Dragon > would adjust > and the sound was very good. Those green arrows only flashed at the > beginning of the tape but did not flash at other parts of the tape > where the > record azimuth was deliberately miscalibrated. > > This is the beauty of NAAC. It continually monitors the record > azimuth of > the tape during playback and adjusts its PB head whenever > necessary. With a CR7, you would have to be around to make the > adjustment of > the playback head manually. > > These are just my observations with my decks. I do not know or > profess to > know much machanically and would encourage questions > be directed to the experts on this site. > > regards > boogie > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100 > > From: luis at peromarta.org > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth > > > > This is an issue I always wanted to bing up. > > > > To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 > (or 9), > > recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say a > metal > > TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable > > recording head (RH) azimuth. > > > > Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by > adjusting RH > > azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the > previous > > metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, > > formulation or both. > > > > By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape > that > > plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I > load any > > of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is > CR7 > > center position. Good. > > > > Now let's try something different. > > > > Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape - > or as > > close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed RH > azimuth > > position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting PH > > > azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position is, > it > > searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the > 400Hz > > tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth > again. > > > > Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a metal > tape > > (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one searched > for > > during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the > recorded tape > > will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my ZX7 > and ZX9. > > > > Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and autocalibrate. > The CR7 > > finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. > This > > time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can > check this > > by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the > reference > > position. > > > > If you start recording your favourite program, and start moving > the > > manual azimuth control, you will notice the best performance is > NOT > > achieved at center position, but up to 2 segments from center. If > you > > record a 15KHz tone you will see what I mean, even easily. > > > > Of course If I take this last tape to a ZX7 or ZX9, the azimuth > will NOT > > be right. But I can't adjust these decks PH azimuth position, so > sound > > will NOT be perfect. OK, OK, but is good enough. > > > > That's why I record my azimuth tapes on ZX9 and ZX7, so they are > good > > for any deck. And that's why I usually prefer to record my tapes > on my > ZX9. > > > > Sorry for the long writting. > > > > best rgds., LP. > > > > > > Hi Tech escribió: > > > I disagree with Luis. > > > Only by aligning both decks with the same azimuth tape can you > eliminate > > > the differences. one or the other may be "right" but both could > be > wrong! > > > > > > I always laugh inside when a customer brings in a deck for > speed > > > problems...I ask" how did you measure it?" > > > The answer always includes playing the tape on another machine. > Since > > > almost all decks run at the wrong speed....(except Naks, > really) I know > > > that BOTH decks are wrong. > > > Tape skew differences cannot be heard in stereo. If you are > youthful, > you > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 3 05:26:44 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:26:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <108103.726.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <933997.3181.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Actually the NAAC doesn't use frequencies as high as you might think. I forgot what the bandpass corner frequencies are, but, it's not above 14kHz. In fact I think the upper end of the bandpass is around 5kHz. I think the reasoning is that the lower frequencies are more commonly found in music and are typically more stable and thus easier to get a phase error. If we are looking at a pair of signals on a scope we need 5, 10 15 or more degrees of error to be able to really see it, which is why calibration tapes are very high (15kHz). The electronics can easily detect phase errors of 2 degrees or less and correct for them. SJ --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > NAAC will start again if it detects sudden burst of high frequency > signals are present. It settles after 10 -15 seconds once the > azimuth is corrected. It also activated once the door is opened and > closed. It can detect very HF signals that you do not normally > hear! > Kannan > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > Mike, > > You are correct. NAAC does NOT continuously monitor azimuth. The > NAAC only works for a short time after it has detected a certain > amount of no audio. It will also reactive if stop and play is > pressed and when direction has changed. > > I think I have complete details on my web site. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > under the heading "What is NAAC?" > It is also on page 4 of the Dragon brochure. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Brochures/Dragon_Pg04.html > > --- lenaw wrote: > > > Boogie: > > Are you sure that the NAAC in the DRAGON constantly monitors > > the tape > > during playback? I thought it only does it in the beginning and > it > > will stop > > after a particular number of seconds have passed even though if > no > > solution > > has been obtained. > > The technology would be more advanced at that time if it > > really can > > monitor the azimuth constantly throughout the entire playback of > a > > tape. > > Correct me if this is wrong. Thanks. > > > > > > Regards, > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On > > Behalf > > Of boogie man > > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:03 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth > > > > > > LP, when you say recording on the ZX-7/9 is good for any deck, I > > am > > sure you will agree that is on the condition that both decks are > > properly > > set up. > > > > The key on these decks as well as decks with adjustable > > record/playback > > azimuth is how > > accurate is the fixed head or the head the deck uses as its > > reference. If > > the fixed head is > > off and you calibrate and record then this recording is unlikely > to > > sound as > > good when > > played on another perfectly set up deck. This might be hard to > > comprehend > > when no difference was heard > > when comparing the source and tape of the recording being made. > > > > Of course, all this becomes mute when the playback deck is a > > Dragon. Some > > say the Dragon adjusts > > only at the beginning at the tape being played when those green > > arrows > > flash. But I have seen otherwise. > > On one occasion, I deliberately threw off the record azimuth on a > > ZX-9 and > > recorded. When I engaged the monitor switch > > the difference was huge and the sound was awful and unacceptable. > > On play > > back on the ZX-9 the result was equally awful. I then threw this > > tape into a > > Dragon, and it amazingly sounded good.The record azimuth was so > > extremely > > off that I began hearing clicks which I deduced the Dragon was > > nearing the > > end of its adjustment. I tired this experiment on a side of a > tape > > that had > > recordings that were properly calibrated and every time Dragon > > would adjust > > and the sound was very good. Those green arrows only flashed at > the > > beginning of the tape but did not flash at other parts of the > tape > > where the > > record azimuth was deliberately miscalibrated. > > > > This is the beauty of NAAC. It continually monitors the record > > azimuth of > > the tape during playback and adjusts its PB head whenever > > necessary. With a CR7, you would have to be around to make the > > adjustment of > > the playback head manually. > > > > These are just my observations with my decks. I do not know or > > profess to > > know much machanically and would encourage questions > > be directed to the experts on this site. > > > > regards > > boogie > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100 > > > From: luis at peromarta.org > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth > > > > > > This is an issue I always wanted to bing up. > > > > > > To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 > > (or 9), > > > recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say > a > > metal > > > TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable > > > > recording head (RH) azimuth. > > > > > > Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by > > adjusting RH > > > azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the > > previous > > > metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, > > > > formulation or both. > > > > > > By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape > > that > > > plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I > > load any > > > of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is > > CR7 > > > center position. Good. > > > > > > Now let's try something different. > > > > > > Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape > - > > or as > > > close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed > RH > > azimuth > > > position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting > PH > > > > > azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position > is, > > it > > > searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the > > 400Hz > > > tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth > > again. > > > > > > Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a > metal > > tape > > > (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one > searched > > for > > > during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the > > recorded tape > > > will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my > ZX7 > > and ZX9. > > > > > > Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and > autocalibrate. > > The CR7 > > > finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. > > This > > > time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can > > check this > > > by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the > > reference > > > position. > > > > === message truncated ===> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Sun Dec 3 05:54:48 2006 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 23:54:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Message-ID: My deduction that NAAC continually monitors is based on my experience when playing a side of a tape with the same material recorded with proper azimuth versus the same music recorded with improper azimuth on the same side of the tape. I just sat down and let Dragon do its thing and all the high frequencies were there just like the original......quite fascinating for me. I did not expect it. Perhaps continually might be too strong a word? But I am not a tech and dont know enough to explain the nitty gritty. Perhaps those with Dragons and ZX-7/9 can try this for themselves and let us know. Later boogie ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:26:44 -0800 > From: p9019 at yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Actually the NAAC doesn't use frequencies as high as you might think. > I forgot what the bandpass corner frequencies are, but, it's not > above 14kHz. In fact I think the upper end of the bandpass is around > 5kHz. I think the reasoning is that the lower frequencies are more > commonly found in music and are typically more stable and thus easier > to get a phase error. If we are looking at a pair of signals on a > scope we need 5, 10 15 or more degrees of error to be able to really > see it, which is why calibration tapes are very high (15kHz). The > electronics can easily detect phase errors of 2 degrees or less and > correct for them. > > SJ > --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > NAAC will start again if it detects sudden burst of high frequency > > signals are present. It settles after 10 -15 seconds once the > > azimuth is corrected. It also activated once the door is opened and > > closed. It can detect very HF signals that you do not normally > > hear! > > Kannan > > > > > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > Mike, > > > > You are correct. NAAC does NOT continuously monitor azimuth. The > > NAAC only works for a short time after it has detected a certain > > amount of no audio. It will also reactive if stop and play is > > pressed and when direction has changed. > > > > I think I have complete details on my web site. > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > under the heading "What is NAAC?" > > It is also on page 4 of the Dragon brochure. > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Brochures/Dragon_Pg04.html > > > > --- lenaw wrote: > > > > > Boogie: > > > Are you sure that the NAAC in the DRAGON constantly monitors > > > the tape > > > during playback? I thought it only does it in the beginning and > > it > > > will stop > > > after a particular number of seconds have passed even though if > > no > > > solution > > > has been obtained. > > > The technology would be more advanced at that time if it > > > really can > > > monitor the azimuth constantly throughout the entire playback of > > a > > > tape. > > > Correct me if this is wrong. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > > On > > > Behalf > > > Of boogie man > > > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:03 PM > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth > > > > > > > > > LP, when you say recording on the ZX-7/9 is good for any deck, I > > > am > > > sure you will agree that is on the condition that both decks are > > > properly > > > set up. > > > > > > The key on these decks as well as decks with adjustable > > > record/playback > > > azimuth is how > > > accurate is the fixed head or the head the deck uses as its > > > reference. If > > > the fixed head is > > > off and you calibrate and record then this recording is unlikely > > to > > > sound as > > > good when > > > played on another perfectly set up deck. This might be hard to > > > comprehend > > > when no difference was heard > > > when comparing the source and tape of the recording being made. > > > > > > Of course, all this becomes mute when the playback deck is a > > > Dragon. Some > > > say the Dragon adjusts > > > only at the beginning at the tape being played when those green > > > arrows > > > flash. But I have seen otherwise. > > > On one occasion, I deliberately threw off the record azimuth on a > > > ZX-9 and > > > recorded. When I engaged the monitor switch > > > the difference was huge and the sound was awful and unacceptable. > > > On play > > > back on the ZX-9 the result was equally awful. I then threw this > > > tape into a > > > Dragon, and it amazingly sounded good.The record azimuth was so > > > extremely > > > off that I began hearing clicks which I deduced the Dragon was > > > nearing the > > > end of its adjustment. I tired this experiment on a side of a > > tape > > > that had > > > recordings that were properly calibrated and every time Dragon > > > would adjust > > > and the sound was very good. Those green arrows only flashed at > > the > > > beginning of the tape but did not flash at other parts of the > > tape > > > where the > > > record azimuth was deliberately miscalibrated. > > > > > > This is the beauty of NAAC. It continually monitors the record > > > azimuth of > > > the tape during playback and adjusts its PB head whenever > > > necessary. With a CR7, you would have to be around to make the > > > adjustment of > > > the playback head manually. > > > > > > These are just my observations with my decks. I do not know or > > > profess to > > > know much machanically and would encourage questions > > > be directed to the experts on this site. > > > > > > regards > > > boogie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100 > > > > From: luis at peromarta.org > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth > > > > > > > > This is an issue I always wanted to bing up. > > > > > > > > To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 > > > (or 9), > > > > recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say > > a > > > metal > > > > TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable > > > > > > recording head (RH) azimuth. > > > > > > > > Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by > > > adjusting RH > > > > azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the > > > previous > > > > metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, > > > > > > formulation or both. > > > > > > > > By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape > > > that > > > > plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I > > > load any > > > > of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is > > > CR7 > > > > center position. Good. > > > > > > > > Now let's try something different. > > > > > > > > Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape > > - > > > or as > > > > close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed > > RH > > > azimuth > > > > position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting > > PH > > > > > > > azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position > > is, > > > it > > > > searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the > > > 400Hz > > > > tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth > > > again. > > > > > > > > Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a > > metal > > > tape > > > > (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one > > searched > > > for > > > > during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the > > > recorded tape > > > > will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my > > ZX7 > > > and ZX9. > > > > > > > > Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and > > autocalibrate. > > > The CR7 > > > > finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. > > > This > > > > time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can > > > check this > > > > by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the > > > reference > > > > position. > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Dec 3 06:36:56 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 05:36:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Message-ID: Hello! Seems me that your cam belt when the deck gets warm gets stretched...still happen to my gifted Dragon also, so I'm 1005 sure that this is your problem also...concerning the "Eating"...issue...clean very...very...well all the pinch rubber, + heads in summary ail the "Tape Path", & degauss after so...it's almost sure that will resolve your "eating' problem, can be that the cam belt is so seriously stretched, that helps to your eating problem. I know I need to change the already spare belt that I obtain, but as really I don't feel well, yet...+ winter season is coming here in Israel, can wait for a while...today the deck "Allow" me to play or record ONE side of the cassette with NO problem at all, so as today I'm a Pensioner"...can record/play a cassette during two days...I'm really NOT in a big hurry! Inform us if I was right? 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Dec 3 09:17:57 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 09:17:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45728835.8090009@peromarta.org> Hi Boogie, Yes, NAAC is great, but it's not the point of the post. I am curious about (very)small differences on azimuth alignments because of different tapes shells and formulations. rgds, LP. boogie man escribió: > LP, when you say recording on the ZX-7/9 is good for any deck, I am > sure you will agree that is on the condition that both decks are properly set up. > > The key on these decks as well as decks with adjustable record/playback azimuth is how > accurate is the fixed head or the head the deck uses as its reference. If the fixed head is > off and you calibrate and record then this recording is unlikely to sound as good when > played on another perfectly set up deck. This might be hard to comprehend when no difference was heard > when comparing the source and tape of the recording being made. > > Of course, all this becomes mute when the playback deck is a Dragon. Some say the Dragon adjusts > only at the beginning at the tape being played when those green arrows flash. But I have seen otherwise. > On one occasion, I deliberately threw off the record azimuth on a ZX-9 and recorded. When I engaged the monitor switch > the difference was huge and the sound was awful and unacceptable. On play back on the ZX-9 the result was equally awful. I then threw this tape into a Dragon, and it amazingly sounded good.The record azimuth was so extremely off that I began hearing clicks which I deduced the Dragon was nearing the end of its adjustment. I tired this experiment on a side of a tape that had recordings that were properly calibrated and every time Dragon would adjust and the sound was very good. Those green arrows only flashed at the beginning of the tape but did not flash at other parts of the tape where the record azimuth was deliberately miscalibrated. > > This is the beauty of NAAC. It continually monitors the record azimuth of the tape during playback and adjusts its PB head whenever > necessary. With a CR7, you would have to be around to make the adjustment of the playback head manually. > > These are just my observations with my decks. I do not know or profess to know much machanically and would encourage questions > be directed to the experts on this site. > > regards > boogie > > > > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100 >> From: luis at peromarta.org >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth >> >> This is an issue I always wanted to bing up. >> >> To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 (or 9), >> recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say a metal >> TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable >> recording head (RH) azimuth. >> >> Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by adjusting RH >> azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the previous >> metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, >> formulation or both. >> >> By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape that >> plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I load any >> of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is CR7 >> center position. Good. >> >> Now let's try something different. >> >> Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape - or as >> close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed RH azimuth >> position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting PH >> azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position is, it >> searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the 400Hz >> tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth again. >> >> Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a metal tape >> (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one searched for >> during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the recorded tape >> will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my ZX7 and ZX9. >> >> Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and autocalibrate. The CR7 >> finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. This >> time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can check this >> by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the reference >> position. >> >> If you start recording your favourite program, and start moving the >> manual azimuth control, you will notice the best performance is NOT >> achieved at center position, but up to 2 segments from center. If you >> record a 15KHz tone you will see what I mean, even easily. >> >> Of course If I take this last tape to a ZX7 or ZX9, the azimuth will NOT >> be right. But I can't adjust these decks PH azimuth position, so sound >> will NOT be perfect. OK, OK, but is good enough. >> >> That's why I record my azimuth tapes on ZX9 and ZX7, so they are good >> for any deck. And that's why I usually prefer to record my tapes on my ZX9. >> >> Sorry for the long writting. >> >> best rgds., LP. >> >> >> Hi Tech escribió: >>> I disagree with Luis. >>> Only by aligning both decks with the same azimuth tape can you eliminate >>> the differences. one or the other may be "right" but both could be wrong! >>> >>> I always laugh inside when a customer brings in a deck for speed >>> problems...I ask" how did you measure it?" >>> The answer always includes playing the tape on another machine. Since >>> almost all decks run at the wrong speed....(except Naks, really) I know >>> that BOTH decks are wrong. >>> Tape skew differences cannot be heard in stereo. If you are youthful, you >>> might hear differences in mono. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> At 08:33 AM 12/2/06 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>> Question on azimuth. >>> When I record on my MR1 and play it back on my "cassette deck 1" the sound >>> is slightly better adjusting the azimuth (front panel adjustment) just off >>> center, about "one o:clock" position. It is very slight and most people >>> may not hear any difference. Is this normal? >>> Thanks, Bob >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> <<<< >>> >>> >>> Tom Brucker CSM >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From miroslavt at hotmail.com Sun Dec 3 10:14:37 2006 From: miroslavt at hotmail.com (Miroslav Tkachenko) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:14:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Message-ID: Dear Michael, Thanks for the kind words. I also likle dealing with you. Yesterday I found DVDs you sent me before and see that only my copy of “Early eighties Vol.1” almost coincide with your new compilations. ( I would like to get an amended version now !) As regarding the rest I would like to get them all and don’t mind paying you by Pay Pal. If you like any of antisoshal DVDs let me know ( they are handy with me). Regarding my collection catalog it will be ready only at the end of the month ( I will have to take a few days off for that task). - Ordered Spoons live DVD -Just received Swedish official Army Of Lovers DVD- all promosBest regards, Miroslav Tkachenko P.O.B.391 Netania 42103, Israel e-mail -miroslavt at hotmail.comyou can send attachments up to 10 MBwww.opiumsongs.comCall me on Skype- miroslavt1208tel. 972-50-5985666(mobile with answering machine-please leave a message!) > Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:17:57 +0100> From: luis at peromarta.org> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth> > Hi Boogie,> > Yes, NAAC is great, but it's not the point of the post.> > I am curious about (very)small differences on azimuth alignments because > of different tapes shells and formulations.> > rgds, LP.> > boogie man escribió:> > LP, when you say recording on the ZX-7/9 is good for any deck, I am > > sure you will agree that is on the condition that both decks are properly set up. > > > > The key on these decks as well as decks with adjustable record/playback azimuth is how > > accurate is the fixed head or the head the deck uses as its reference. If the fixed head is > > off and you calibrate and record then this recording is unlikely to sound as good when> > played on another perfectly set up deck. This might be hard to comprehend when no difference was heard> > when comparing the source and tape of the recording being made.> > > > Of course, all this becomes mute when the playback deck is a Dragon. Some say the Dragon adjusts> > only at the beginning at the tape being played when those green arrows flash. But I have seen otherwise.> > On one occasion, I deliberately threw off the record azimuth on a ZX-9 and recorded. When I engaged the monitor switch > > the difference was huge and the sound was awful and unacceptable. On play back on the ZX-9 the result was equally awful. I then threw this tape into a Dragon, and it amazingly sounded good.The record azimuth was so extremely off that I began hearing clicks which I deduced the Dragon was nearing the end of its adjustment. I tired this experiment on a side of a tape that had recordings that were properly calibrated and every time Dragon would adjust and the sound was very good. Those green arrows only flashed at the beginning of the tape but did not flash at other parts of the tape where the record azimuth was deliberately miscalibrated. > > > > This is the beauty of NAAC. It continually monitors the record azimuth of the tape during playback and adjusts its PB head whenever> > necessary. With a CR7, you would have to be around to make the adjustment of the playback head manually.> > > > These are just my observations with my decks. I do not know or profess to know much machanically and would encourage questions > > be directed to the experts on this site.> > > > regards> > boogie> > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------> >> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100> >> From: luis at peromarta.org> >> To: naktalk at naks.com> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth> >>> >> This is an issue I always wanted to bing up.> >>> >> To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 (or 9), > >> recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say a metal > >> TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable > >> recording head (RH) azimuth.> >>> >> Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by adjusting RH > >> azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the previous > >> metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, > >> formulation or both.> >>> >> By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape that > >> plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I load any > >> of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is CR7 > >> center position. Good.> >>> >> Now let's try something different.> >>> >> Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape - or as > >> close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed RH azimuth > >> position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting PH > >> azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position is, it > >> searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the 400Hz > >> tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth again.> >>> >> Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a metal tape > >> (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one searched for > >> during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the recorded tape > >> will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my ZX7 and ZX9.> >>> >> Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and autocalibrate. The CR7 > >> finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. This > >> time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can check this > >> by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the reference > >> position.> >>> >> If you start recording your favourite program, and start moving the > >> manual azimuth control, you will notice the best performance is NOT > >> achieved at center position, but up to 2 segments from center. If you > >> record a 15KHz tone you will see what I mean, even easily.> >>> >> Of course If I take this last tape to a ZX7 or ZX9, the azimuth will NOT > >> be right. But I can't adjust these decks PH azimuth position, so sound > >> will NOT be perfect. OK, OK, but is good enough.> >>> >> That's why I record my azimuth tapes on ZX9 and ZX7, so they are good > >> for any deck. And that's why I usually prefer to record my tapes on my ZX9.> >>> >> Sorry for the long writting.> >>> >> best rgds., LP.> >>> >>> >> Hi Tech escribió:> >>> I disagree with Luis.> >>> Only by aligning both decks with the same azimuth tape can you eliminate> >>> the differences. one or the other may be "right" but both could be wrong!> >>>> >>> I always laugh inside when a customer brings in a deck for speed> >>> problems...I ask" how did you measure it?" > >>> The answer always includes playing the tape on another machine. Since> >>> almost all decks run at the wrong speed....(except Naks, really) I know> >>> that BOTH decks are wrong.> >>> Tape skew differences cannot be heard in stereo. If you are youthful, you> >>> might hear differences in mono.> >>>> >>> tom brucker> >>>> >>> At 08:33 AM 12/2/06 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: > >>> Question on azimuth.> >>> When I record on my MR1 and play it back on my "cassette deck 1" the sound> >>> is slightly better adjusting the azimuth (front panel adjustment) just off> >>> center, about "one o:clock" position. It is very slight and most people> >>> may not hear any difference. Is this normal? > >>> Thanks, Bob> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >>> <<<<> >>>> >>>> >>> Tom Brucker CSM> >>> Hi Tech Service > >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd.> >>> Nashville, TN 37211> >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165> >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > _________________________________________________________________> > Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail.> > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From miroslavt at hotmail.com Sun Dec 3 10:44:10 2006 From: miroslavt at hotmail.com (Miroslav Tkachenko) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:44:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Message-ID: Please disregrads this below message. Sent by mistake. From: miroslavt at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] AzimuthDate: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:14:37 +0000 Dear Michael, Thanks for the kind words. I also likle dealing with you. Yesterday I found DVDs you sent me before and see that only my copy of “Early eighties Vol.1” almost coincide with your new compilations. ( I would like to get an amended version now !) As regarding the rest I would like to get them all and don’t mind paying you by Pay Pal. If you like any of antisoshal DVDs let me know ( they are handy with me). Regarding my collection catalog it will be ready only at the end of the month ( I will have to take a few days off for that task). - Ordered Spoons live DVD -Just received Swedish official Army Of Lovers DVD- all promosBest regards, Miroslav Tkachenko P.O.B.391 Netania 42103, Israel e-mail -miroslavt at hotmail.comyou can send attachments up to 10 MBwww.opiumsongs.comCall me on Skype- miroslavt1208tel. 972-50-5985666(mobile with answering machine-please leave a message!) > Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:17:57 +0100> From: luis at peromarta.org> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth> > Hi Boogie,> > Yes, NAAC is great, but it's not the point of the post.> > I am curious about (very)small differences on azimuth alignments because > of different tapes shells and formulations.> > rgds, LP.> > boogie man escribió:> > LP, when you say recording on the ZX-7/9 is good for any deck, I am > > sure you will agree that is on the condition that both decks are properly set up. > > > > The key on these decks as well as decks with adjustable record/playback azimuth is how > > accurate is the fixed head or the head the deck uses as its reference. If the fixed head is > > off and you calibrate and record then this recording is unlikely to sound as good when> > played on another perfectly set up deck. This might be hard to comprehend when no difference was heard> > when comparing the source and tape of the recording being made.> > > > Of course, all this becomes mute when the playback deck is a Dragon. Some say the Dragon adjusts> > only at the beginning at the tape being played when those green arrows flash. But I have seen otherwise.> > On one occasion, I deliberately threw off the record azimuth on a ZX-9 and recorded. When I engaged the monitor switch > > the difference was huge and the sound was awful and unacceptable. On play back on the ZX-9 the result was equally awful. I then threw this tape into a Dragon, and it amazingly sounded good.The record azimuth was so extremely off that I began hearing clicks which I deduced the Dragon was nearing the end of its adjustment. I tired this experiment on a side of a tape that had recordings that were properly calibrated and every time Dragon would adjust and the sound was very good. Those green arrows only flashed at the beginning of the tape but did not flash at other parts of the tape where the record azimuth was deliberately miscalibrated. > > > > This is the beauty of NAAC. It continually monitors the record azimuth of the tape during playback and adjusts its PB head whenever> > necessary. With a CR7, you would have to be around to make the adjustment of the playback head manually.> > > > These are just my observations with my decks. I do not know or profess to know much machanically and would encourage questions > > be directed to the experts on this site.> > > > regards> > boogie> > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------> >> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100> >> From: luis at peromarta.org> >> To: naktalk at naks.com> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth> >>> >> This is an issue I always wanted to bing up.> >>> >> To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 (or 9), > >> recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say a metal > >> TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable > >> recording head (RH) azimuth.> >>> >> Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by adjusting RH > >> azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the previous > >> metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, > >> formulation or both.> >>> >> By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape that > >> plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I load any > >> of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is CR7 > >> center position. Good.> >>> >> Now let's try something different.> >>> >> Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape - or as > >> close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed RH azimuth > >> position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting PH > >> azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position is, it > >> searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the 400Hz > >> tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth again.> >>> >> Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a metal tape > >> (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one searched for > >> during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the recorded tape > >> will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my ZX7 and ZX9.> >>> >> Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and autocalibrate. The CR7 > >> finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. This > >> time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can check this > >> by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the reference > >> position.> >>> >> If you start recording your favourite program, and start moving the > >> manual azimuth control, you will notice the best performance is NOT > >> achieved at center position, but up to 2 segments from center. If you > >> record a 15KHz tone you will see what I mean, even easily.> >>> >> Of course If I take this last tape to a ZX7 or ZX9, the azimuth will NOT > >> be right. But I can't adjust these decks PH azimuth position, so sound > >> will NOT be perfect. OK, OK, but is good enough.> >>> >> That's why I record my azimuth tapes on ZX9 and ZX7, so they are good > >> for any deck. And that's why I usually prefer to record my tapes on my ZX9.> >>> >> Sorry for the long writting.> >>> >> best rgds., LP.> >>> >>> >> Hi Tech escribió:> >>> I disagree with Luis.> >>> Only by aligning both decks with the same azimuth tape can you eliminate> >>> the differences. one or the other may be "right" but both could be wrong!> >>>> >>> I always laugh inside when a customer brings in a deck for speed> >>> problems...I ask" how did you measure it?" > >>> The answer always includes playing the tape on another machine. Since> >>> almost all decks run at the wrong speed....(except Naks, really) I know> >>> that BOTH decks are wrong.> >>> Tape skew differences cannot be heard in stereo. If you are youthful, you> >>> might hear differences in mono.> >>>> >>> tom brucker> >>>> >>> At 08:33 AM 12/2/06 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: > >>> Question on azimuth.> >>> When I record on my MR1 and play it back on my "cassette deck 1" the sound> >>> is slightly better adjusting the azimuth (front panel adjustment) just off> >>> center, about "one o:clock" position. It is very slight and most people> >>> may not hear any difference. Is this normal? > >>> Thanks, Bob> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >>> <<<<> >>>> >>>> >>> Tom Brucker CSM> >>> Hi Tech Service > >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd.> >>> Nashville, TN 37211> >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165> >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > _________________________________________________________________> > Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail.> > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search Try it now! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1&loc=us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Dec 3 13:26:48 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 04:26:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <933997.3181.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061203122648.94207.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Actually - calibration step in Dragon uses 15 Khz azimuth tape for Phase adjust step- DRagon NAA C uses frequecies between 4 Khz to 15 Khz. Infact you can try recording a 18 Khz from the beginning, NAAC will start adjusting! However Phase needs to be adjusted for both 4 Khz and 15 Khz for NAAc to work correctly. Kannan Scott Johnson wrote: Actually the NAAC doesn't use frequencies as high as you might think. I forgot what the bandpass corner frequencies are, but, it's not above 14kHz. In fact I think the upper end of the bandpass is around 5kHz. I think the reasoning is that the lower frequencies are more commonly found in music and are typically more stable and thus easier to get a phase error. If we are looking at a pair of signals on a scope we need 5, 10 15 or more degrees of error to be able to really see it, which is why calibration tapes are very high (15kHz). The electronics can easily detect phase errors of 2 degrees or less and correct for them. SJ --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > NAAC will start again if it detects sudden burst of high frequency > signals are present. It settles after 10 -15 seconds once the > azimuth is corrected. It also activated once the door is opened and > closed. It can detect very HF signals that you do not normally > hear! > Kannan > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > Mike, > > You are correct. NAAC does NOT continuously monitor azimuth. The > NAAC only works for a short time after it has detected a certain > amount of no audio. It will also reactive if stop and play is > pressed and when direction has changed. > > I think I have complete details on my web site. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > under the heading "What is NAAC?" > It is also on page 4 of the Dragon brochure. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Brochures/Dragon_Pg04.html > > --- lenaw wrote: > > > Boogie: > > Are you sure that the NAAC in the DRAGON constantly monitors > > the tape > > during playback? I thought it only does it in the beginning and > it > > will stop > > after a particular number of seconds have passed even though if > no > > solution > > has been obtained. > > The technology would be more advanced at that time if it > > really can > > monitor the azimuth constantly throughout the entire playback of > a > > tape. > > Correct me if this is wrong. Thanks. > > > > > > Regards, > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On > > Behalf > > Of boogie man > > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:03 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth > > > > > > LP, when you say recording on the ZX-7/9 is good for any deck, I > > am > > sure you will agree that is on the condition that both decks are > > properly > > set up. > > > > The key on these decks as well as decks with adjustable > > record/playback > > azimuth is how > > accurate is the fixed head or the head the deck uses as its > > reference. If > > the fixed head is > > off and you calibrate and record then this recording is unlikely > to > > sound as > > good when > > played on another perfectly set up deck. This might be hard to > > comprehend > > when no difference was heard > > when comparing the source and tape of the recording being made. > > > > Of course, all this becomes mute when the playback deck is a > > Dragon. Some > > say the Dragon adjusts > > only at the beginning at the tape being played when those green > > arrows > > flash. But I have seen otherwise. > > On one occasion, I deliberately threw off the record azimuth on a > > ZX-9 and > > recorded. When I engaged the monitor switch > > the difference was huge and the sound was awful and unacceptable. > > On play > > back on the ZX-9 the result was equally awful. I then threw this > > tape into a > > Dragon, and it amazingly sounded good.The record azimuth was so > > extremely > > off that I began hearing clicks which I deduced the Dragon was > > nearing the > > end of its adjustment. I tired this experiment on a side of a > tape > > that had > > recordings that were properly calibrated and every time Dragon > > would adjust > > and the sound was very good. Those green arrows only flashed at > the > > beginning of the tape but did not flash at other parts of the > tape > > where the > > record azimuth was deliberately miscalibrated. > > > > This is the beauty of NAAC. It continually monitors the record > > azimuth of > > the tape during playback and adjusts its PB head whenever > > necessary. With a CR7, you would have to be around to make the > > adjustment of > > the playback head manually. > > > > These are just my observations with my decks. I do not know or > > profess to > > know much machanically and would encourage questions > > be directed to the experts on this site. > > > > regards > > boogie > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100 > > > From: luis at peromarta.org > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth > > > > > > This is an issue I always wanted to bing up. > > > > > > To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 > > (or 9), > > > recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say > a > > metal > > > TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable > > > > recording head (RH) azimuth. > > > > > > Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by > > adjusting RH > > > azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the > > previous > > > metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, > > > > formulation or both. > > > > > > By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape > > that > > > plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I > > load any > > > of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is > > CR7 > > > center position. Good. > > > > > > Now let's try something different. > > > > > > Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape > - > > or as > > > close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed > RH > > azimuth > > > position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting > PH > > > > > azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position > is, > > it > > > searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the > > 400Hz > > > tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth > > again. > > > > > > Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a > metal > > tape > > > (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one > searched > > for > > > during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the > > recorded tape > > > will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my > ZX7 > > and ZX9. > > > > > > Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and > autocalibrate. > > The CR7 > > > finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. > > This > > > time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can > > check this > > > by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the > > reference > > > position. > > > > === message truncated ===> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 3 18:07:33 2006 From: wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net (wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 12:07:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon slowing down Message-ID: <20061203170734.RCPO26055.ibm59aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Hello Everyone, I asked a question about my dragon slowing down and my response was the capstan belt. I have look at the service manual and it seems that the dragon have a direct drive capstan. As I understand one is going slower than the other to keep the tape on the heads. My problem is when I play it for alone time the tape starts to slow down until it come to a complete stop. And like I said in the reverse mode sometimes I think the capstan are not sink so the tape don't have the right tension going across the heads. I have clean the rollers and the heads and ever thing in the tape path. Any help would be appreciated. I new to your forum, but I have been reading you guys respond to a lot of questions. Thanks William From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Dec 3 19:05:03 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 18:05:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon slowing down Message-ID: Hello William, Yes...I'm 100% sure that the belt from the cam is stretched! Look well at your service Manual...& you will find that all the Dragons use 3 belts, the Counter belt a second one for the cams & the last one for the Azimuth issue. Mainly or faster to worn belt is the cam one! My Dragon suffer after 22 years that was fabricated with the same syntom! Buy a replacement...change it...& all will be fine again! Peace,ALEX! > From: wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 12:07:33 -0500> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon slowing down> > Hello Everyone,> I asked a question about my dragon slowing down and my response was the capstan belt. I have look at the service manual and it seems that the dragon have a direct drive capstan. As I understand one is going slower than the other to keep the tape on the heads. My problem is when I play it for alone time the tape starts to slow down until it come to a complete stop. And like I said in the reverse mode sometimes I think the capstan are not sink so the tape don't have the right tension going across the heads. I have clean the rollers and the heads and ever thing in the tape path. Any help would be appreciated. I new to your forum, but I have been reading you guys respond to a lot of questions. > Thanks William> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Dec 3 20:05:07 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 11:05:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon slowing down In-Reply-To: <20061203170734.RCPO26055.ibm59aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <274208.17264.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your Dragon Needs attention from a well trained Tech for troubleshooting as this is not a simple problem . Kannan wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net wrote: Hello Everyone, I asked a question about my dragon slowing down and my response was the capstan belt. I have look at the service manual and it seems that the dragon have a direct drive capstan. As I understand one is going slower than the other to keep the tape on the heads. My problem is when I play it for alone time the tape starts to slow down until it come to a complete stop. And like I said in the reverse mode sometimes I think the capstan are not sink so the tape don't have the right tension going across the heads. I have clean the rollers and the heads and ever thing in the tape path. Any help would be appreciated. I new to your forum, but I have been reading you guys respond to a lot of questions. Thanks William ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 4 03:14:39 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 18:14:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Message-ID: <20061204021439.83833.qmail@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Luis, Not to forget the rollers and guide on the cassette shell.. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: Luis Peromarta To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2006 4:17:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth Hi Boogie, Yes, NAAC is great, but it's not the point of the post. I am curious about (very)small differences on azimuth alignments because of different tapes shells and formulations. rgds, LP. boogie man escribió: > LP, when you say recording on the ZX-7/9 is good for any deck, I am > sure you will agree that is on the condition that both decks are properly set up. > > The key on these decks as well as decks with adjustable record/playback azimuth is how > accurate is the fixed head or the head the deck uses as its reference. If the fixed head is > off and you calibrate and record then this recording is unlikely to sound as good when > played on another perfectly set up deck. This might be hard to comprehend when no difference was heard > when comparing the source and tape of the recording being made. > > Of course, all this becomes mute when the playback deck is a Dragon. Some say the Dragon adjusts > only at the beginning at the tape being played when those green arrows flash. But I have seen otherwise. > On one occasion, I deliberately threw off the record azimuth on a ZX-9 and recorded. When I engaged the monitor switch > the difference was huge and the sound was awful and unacceptable. On play back on the ZX-9 the result was equally awful. I then threw this tape into a Dragon, and it amazingly sounded good.The record azimuth was so extremely off that I began hearing clicks which I deduced the Dragon was nearing the end of its adjustment. I tired this experiment on a side of a tape that had recordings that were properly calibrated and every time Dragon would adjust and the sound was very good. Those green arrows only flashed at the beginning of the tape but did not flash at other parts of the tape where the record azimuth was deliberately miscalibrated. > > This is the beauty of NAAC. It continually monitors the record azimuth of the tape during playback and adjusts its PB head whenever > necessary. With a CR7, you would have to be around to make the adjustment of the playback head manually. > > These are just my observations with my decks. I do not know or profess to know much machanically and would encourage questions > be directed to the experts on this site. > > regards > boogie > > > > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100 >> From: luis at peromarta.org >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth >> >> This is an issue I always wanted to bing up. >> >> To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 (or 9), >> recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say a metal >> TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable >> recording head (RH) azimuth. >> >> Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by adjusting RH >> azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the previous >> metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, >> formulation or both. >> >> By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape that >> plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I load any >> of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is CR7 >> center position. Good. >> >> Now let's try something different. >> >> Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape - or as >> close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed RH azimuth >> position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting PH >> azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position is, it >> searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the 400Hz >> tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth again. >> >> Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a metal tape >> (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one searched for >> during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the recorded tape >> will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my ZX7 and ZX9. >> >> Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and autocalibrate. The CR7 >> finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. This >> time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can check this >> by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the reference >> position. >> >> If you start recording your favourite program, and start moving the >> manual azimuth control, you will notice the best performance is NOT >> achieved at center position, but up to 2 segments from center. If you >> record a 15KHz tone you will see what I mean, even easily. >> >> Of course If I take this last tape to a ZX7 or ZX9, the azimuth will NOT >> be right. But I can't adjust these decks PH azimuth position, so sound >> will NOT be perfect. OK, OK, but is good enough. >> >> That's why I record my azimuth tapes on ZX9 and ZX7, so they are good >> for any deck. And that's why I usually prefer to record my tapes on my ZX9. >> >> Sorry for the long writting. >> >> best rgds., LP. >> >> >> Hi Tech escribió: >>> I disagree with Luis. >>> Only by aligning both decks with the same azimuth tape can you eliminate >>> the differences. one or the other may be "right" but both could be wrong! >>> >>> I always laugh inside when a customer brings in a deck for speed >>> problems...I ask" how did you measure it?" >>> The answer always includes playing the tape on another machine. Since >>> almost all decks run at the wrong speed....(except Naks, really) I know >>> that BOTH decks are wrong. >>> Tape skew differences cannot be heard in stereo. If you are youthful, you >>> might hear differences in mono. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> At 08:33 AM 12/2/06 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>> Question on azimuth. >>> When I record on my MR1 and play it back on my "cassette deck 1" the sound >>> is slightly better adjusting the azimuth (front panel adjustment) just off >>> center, about "one o:clock" position. It is very slight and most people >>> may not hear any difference. Is this normal? >>> Thanks, Bob >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> <<<< >>> >>> >>> Tom Brucker CSM >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Dec 4 08:37:43 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:37:43 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] re:A ton of Nak MR-2Bs for sale References: <200612030238.kB32Zjmg008735@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003201c71777$18951900$53d81bca@apac.ad.ici.com> It is a pity all the good deals seem to come up stateside.. wouldn't have minded a couple myself, or some of the spares!! From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Dec 4 17:11:49 2006 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:11:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A In-Reply-To: <003201c71777$18951900$53d81bca@apac.ad.ici.com> Message-ID: <000601c717be$e7ab3250$3601000a@gabrenas> Can anyone tell me about a service bulletin (00D-M-0298) for the recording equalization circuit? Victor Gabrenas From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 4 16:30:34 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 09:30:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <45728835.8090009@peromarta.org> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061204093034.008453b0@earthlink.net> Luis, There are differences in tape skew, but the amount or size of the take up reel tape pack has a bit more to do with azimuth than the shell itself. Tape skew is the up-and-down movement of the tape at they play head. A worn or dirty pinchroller, or mis aligned guide will cause a major problem. Tape shells with fixed posts are supposed to be worse than shells with roller...but who has used on of those tapes lately?? Here is what Nakamichi taught: To check for acceptable tape skew, load the azimuth tape, in the middle of the tape pack. Monitor playback with a dual AC meter (like the T-100) and not the amplitude and frequency of level variations. Typical performance for a 2 capstan 3 head Nak is less than 1dB at 15kHz. But here is the key! Turn the tape over and test again. If results are different, then the tape shell is causing problems. This works only with full track azimuth tapes like the Nak. BTW It will not work with Luis' tapes (his are stereo). Try testing at the beginning of a test cassette and you will see a slightly higher peak difference, skew caused by take up torque variations. I have observed Naks that have similar low peak variations witht the 20KHz play test tape!!! This tape however, shoul not be used for everyday testing. The problem with using an oscilloscope to observe tape skew is that there is no quantifible number for a minimum. You MAY subjectively observe that low phase shift at random moments is better whan wide swings in periodic fashion. tom brucker At 09:17 AM 12/3/06 +0100, Luis Peromarta wrote: >Hi Boogie, > >Yes, NAAC is great, but it's not the point of the post. > >I am curious about (very)small differences on azimuth alignments because >of different tapes shells and formulations. > >rgds, LP. > >boogie man escribió: >> LP, when you say recording on the ZX-7/9 is good for any deck, I am >> sure you will agree that is on the condition that both decks are properly set up. >> >> The key on these decks as well as decks with adjustable record/playback azimuth is how >> accurate is the fixed head or the head the deck uses as its reference. If the fixed head is >> off and you calibrate and record then this recording is unlikely to sound as good when >> played on another perfectly set up deck. This might be hard to comprehend when no difference was heard >> when comparing the source and tape of the recording being made. >> >> Of course, all this becomes mute when the playback deck is a Dragon. Some say the Dragon adjusts >> only at the beginning at the tape being played when those green arrows flash. But I have seen otherwise. >> On one occasion, I deliberately threw off the record azimuth on a ZX-9 and recorded. When I engaged the monitor switch >> the difference was huge and the sound was awful and unacceptable. On play back on the ZX-9 the result was equally awful. I then threw this tape into a Dragon, and it amazingly sounded good.The record azimuth was so extremely off that I began hearing clicks which I deduced the Dragon was nearing the end of its adjustment. I tired this experiment on a side of a tape that had recordings that were properly calibrated and every time Dragon would adjust and the sound was very good. Those green arrows only flashed at the beginning of the tape but did not flash at other parts of the tape where the record azimuth was deliberately miscalibrated. >> >> This is the beauty of NAAC. It continually monitors the record azimuth of the tape during playback and adjusts its PB head whenever >> necessary. With a CR7, you would have to be around to make the adjustment of the playback head manually. >> >> These are just my observations with my decks. I do not know or profess to know much machanically and would encourage questions >> be directed to the experts on this site. >> >> regards >> boogie >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >>> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:55:28 +0100 >>> From: luis at peromarta.org >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth >>> >>> This is an issue I always wanted to bing up. >>> >>> To put it very simple, say you have a perfectly calibrated ZX7 (or 9), >>> recording head azimuth, level and bias, for a certain tape, say a metal >>> TDK. Maybe not everybody knows ZX7 and 9 have a user adjustable >>> recording head (RH) azimuth. >>> >>> Now let's load a type 2, say a maxell XLII. Let's start by adjusting RH >>> azimuth. There IS a difference in the position compared to the previous >>> metal tape. Why? Probaly because differences on the tape shell, >>> formulation or both. >>> >>> By adjusting the RH azimuth, you make sure the result is a tape that >>> plays perfectly on a properly aligned playback head (PH). If I load any >>> of the previous tapes on my CR7, the exact azimuth position is CR7 >>> center position. Good. >>> >>> Now let's try something different. >>> >>> Let's load and autocalibrate a CR7 with a metal reference tape - or as >>> close as possible, say again a metal TDK. The CR7 has a fixed RH azimuth >>> position. The calibration process of a CR7 starts by adjusting PH >>> azimuth (no matter what position the manual azimuth position is, it >>> searches for the position with minimum phase discrepancy on the 400Hz >>> tone), then level then azimuth, then rechecks level and azimuth again. >>> >>> Because I went trough the deck's alignment proccess using a metal tape >>> (this same one), the final PH azimuth position (the one searched for >>> during calibration) is CR7 center position. This means the recorded tape >>> will sound perfect on ANY properly aligned deck, including my ZX7 and ZX9. >>> >>> Now let's load a type II tape, a maxell XLII, and autocalibrate. The CR7 >>> finds the PH azimuth position that minimizes phase difference. This >>> time, this position IS NOT the CR7's center position. You can check this >>> by looking at the azimuth cam gear. It will NOT go to the reference >>> position. >>> >>> If you start recording your favourite program, and start moving the >>> manual azimuth control, you will notice the best performance is NOT >>> achieved at center position, but up to 2 segments from center. If you >>> record a 15KHz tone you will see what I mean, even easily. >>> >>> Of course If I take this last tape to a ZX7 or ZX9, the azimuth will NOT >>> be right. But I can't adjust these decks PH azimuth position, so sound >>> will NOT be perfect. OK, OK, but is good enough. >>> >>> That's why I record my azimuth tapes on ZX9 and ZX7, so they are good >>> for any deck. And that's why I usually prefer to record my tapes on my ZX9. >>> >>> Sorry for the long writting. >>> >>> best rgds., LP. >>> >>> >>> Hi Tech escribió: >>>> I disagree with Luis. >>>> Only by aligning both decks with the same azimuth tape can you eliminate >>>> the differences. one or the other may be "right" but both could be wrong! >>>> >>>> I always laugh inside when a customer brings in a deck for speed >>>> problems...I ask" how did you measure it?" >>>> The answer always includes playing the tape on another machine. Since >>>> almost all decks run at the wrong speed....(except Naks, really) I know >>>> that BOTH decks are wrong. >>>> Tape skew differences cannot be heard in stereo. If you are youthful, you >>>> might hear differences in mono. >>>> >>>> tom brucker >>>> >>>> At 08:33 AM 12/2/06 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Question on azimuth. >>>> When I record on my MR1 and play it back on my "cassette deck 1" the sound >>>> is slightly better adjusting the azimuth (front panel adjustment) just off >>>> center, about "one o:clock" position. It is very slight and most people >>>> may not hear any difference. Is this normal? >>>> Thanks, Bob >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> <<<< >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom Brucker CSM >>>> Hi Tech Service >>>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. >> http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-491 1fb2b2e6d >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From appleson at gate.net Mon Dec 4 18:30:54 2006 From: appleson at gate.net (Pat Appleson) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:30:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Did I miss a MR2 Salel??? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061204122958.01badaa0@gate.net> Hi Guys, I only got the first line about MR2's for sale. Anybody know any more? Best Regards Pat Patrick G. Appleson, Pres. Pat Appleson Studios, Inc. 2359 Highway 70, SE Suite 102 Hickory, NC 28602 828 465-5500 or 954 587-7900 www.appleson.com email: appleson at gate.net From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 20:03:59 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:03:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Did I miss a MR2 Salel??? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061204122958.01badaa0@gate.net> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061204122958.01badaa0@gate.net> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612041103l6065bd19tb0eb4e724cc397db@mail.gmail.com> A whole ton of them at http://www.realtimepip.com/gsale.htm - check out the "two naks" deal, it's not bad. -Tim On 12/4/06, Pat Appleson wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > I only got the first line about MR2's for sale. Anybody know any more? > > Best Regards > Pat > > > Patrick G. Appleson, Pres. > Pat Appleson Studios, Inc. > 2359 Highway 70, SE > Suite 102 > Hickory, NC 28602 > 828 465-5500 or > 954 587-7900 > www.appleson.com > email: appleson at gate.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 4 20:28:29 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:28:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A In-Reply-To: <000601c717be$e7ab3250$3601000a@gabrenas> References: <000601c717be$e7ab3250$3601000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <457476DD.8000102@rcn.com> Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Can anyone tell me about a service bulletin (00D-M-0298) for the recording > equalization circuit? > > Victor Gabrenas Service bulleting OOD-M-0298 describes a modification to the CR-7 recording equalization circuitry, incorporated from S/N A130-08677 onward. It corrects a design mistake in the deck, that causes recordings to sound somewhat 'soft' (rolled off high frequencies). The mod is not difficult to install BY ANY GOOD TECHNICIAN THAT KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. However, it *is* time consuming. It should be followed by recalibration. -- Ron From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Dec 4 20:30:31 2006 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:30:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Electronixs audio cassette Message-ID: <000601c717da$ac990f90$0961659b@lcb105> Any tried their awful test cassette? I am wondering if any of the level are even close. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 20:43:42 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:43:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Service bulletins Message-ID: <6bddc1110612041143i43b1ec49sfa0474b65f0cd3@mail.gmail.com> Is there any online repository of scans of Nak service bulletins? This would be a great resource for nakheads looking to restore or even soup up old dusty decks from eBay and the like ... -Tim On 12/4/06, Ron wrote: > > Victor Gabrenas wrote: > > Can anyone tell me about a service bulletin (00D-M-0298) for the > recording > > equalization circuit? > > > > Victor Gabrenas > > Service bulleting OOD-M-0298 describes a modification to > the CR-7 recording equalization circuitry, incorporated > from S/N A130-08677 onward. It corrects a design mistake > in the deck, that causes recordings to sound somewhat > 'soft' (rolled off high frequencies). > > The mod is not difficult to install BY ANY GOOD TECHNICIAN > THAT KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. However, it *is* time > consuming. It should be followed by recalibration. > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 4 21:00:29 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:00:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <45728835.8090009@peromarta.org> References: <45728835.8090009@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <45747E5D.8010809@rcn.com> Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi Boogie, > > [.......] > > I am curious about (very)small differences on azimuth alignments because > of different tapes shells and formulations. Here's the low down: azimuth is a purely mechanical feature. Tape motion should be exactly perpendicular to the head gap, period. Azimuth changes from cassette to cassette due to dimensional differences between shells. This includes shell halves width, angles of internal rollers and the like. Tape formulation has nothing (zero, zilch, nada, NOTHING) to do with azimuth. However, you say that type IV and type II tapes gave you different results. I can think of one (may be more, but the others escape me right now :-) ) explanation to this. As you switch the tape types, internal equalization changes. This changes the phase response (by different amounts in the recording and PB circuits). Now, the CR-7 doesn't actually measure azimuth. It measures phase differences that are supposedly a function of azimuth. (Indeed they are, but not of azimuth only.) The deck then 'corrects' for the phase difference caused by equalization by taking the head out of perfect azimuth adjustment. I always assumed EQ phase shift is so minute it has no effect on the auto azimuth circuit, but if your observation is correct, then I must have been wrong. This would seem to imply that the CR-7 auto azimuth should be aligned with the tape formulation most commonly used with the deck, since the auto azimuth introduces slight azimuth error on other formulations (though this is hardly serious, as it only affects PB during recoding). -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 4 21:10:36 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:10:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service bulletins In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110612041143i43b1ec49sfa0474b65f0cd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110612041143i43b1ec49sfa0474b65f0cd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457480BC.5040908@rcn.com> I thought Tomas had this on his site, but I just checked and couldn't find it. Wouter may have it, ask him for it. -- Ron Tim Skorick wrote: > Is there any online repository of scans of Nak service bulletins? This > would be a great resource for nakheads looking to restore or even soup > up old dusty decks from eBay and the like ... > > -Tim > > On 12/4/06, *Ron* > wrote: > > Victor Gabrenas wrote: > > Can anyone tell me about a service bulletin (00D-M-0298) for the > recording > > equalization circuit? > > > > Victor Gabrenas > > Service bulleting OOD-M-0298 describes a modification to > the CR-7 recording equalization circuitry, incorporated > from S/N A130-08677 onward. It corrects a design mistake > in the deck, that causes recordings to sound somewhat > 'soft' (rolled off high frequencies). > > The mod is not difficult to install BY ANY GOOD TECHNICIAN > THAT KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. However, it *is* time > consuming. It should be followed by recalibration. > > -- Ron From luis at peromarta.org Mon Dec 4 21:15:22 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:15:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <45747E5D.8010809@rcn.com> References: <45728835.8090009@peromarta.org> <45747E5D.8010809@rcn.com> Message-ID: <457481DA.70000@peromarta.org> Yep, that's the point with the CR7. If you align with the most commonly used type, go get perfect result for that type. Others, may vary. So the eternal question. Which manual adj. is better? I find the RH az. adjustment better for the purpose or recording, as you guarantee perfect compatibility with *any* tape in *any* deck (properly aligned, of course). User adj. PH az. is nice if you intend to play a lot of tapes recorded on different machines. It wouldn't have been very difficult - from my point of view - to implement az. adj. in both heads. RH would be adjusted for recording, leaving the PH at reference, and adjusting PH for playback, to maximize compatibility. Kermit, put this on the wish list for your deck projects. With best rgds, LP. Ron escribió: > > I always assumed EQ phase shift is so minute it has no > effect on the auto azimuth circuit, but if your observation > is correct, then I must have been wrong. This would seem to > imply that the CR-7 auto azimuth should be aligned with the > tape formulation most commonly used with the deck, since the > auto azimuth introduces slight azimuth error on other > formulations (though this is hardly serious, as it only > affects PB during recoding). > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 4 22:07:36 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:07:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth In-Reply-To: <457481DA.70000@peromarta.org> References: <45728835.8090009@peromarta.org> <45747E5D.8010809@rcn.com> <457481DA.70000@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <45748E18.4090003@rcn.com> Luis Peromarta wrote: > Yep, that's the point with the CR7. If you align with the most commonly > used type, go get perfect result for that type. Others, may vary. > > So the eternal question. Which manual adj. is better? > > I find the RH az. adjustment better for the purpose or recording, as you > guarantee perfect compatibility with *any* tape in *any* deck (properly > aligned, of course). This was the solution on the 582 (among others). Works perfectly as long as the PB head is correctly adjusted. -- Ron > > User adj. PH az. is nice if you intend to play a lot of tapes recorded > on different machines. > > It wouldn't have been very difficult - from my point of view - to > implement az. adj. in both heads. RH would be adjusted for recording, > leaving the PH at reference, and adjusting PH for playback, to maximize > compatibility. > > Kermit, put this on the wish list for your deck projects. > > With best rgds, LP. > > Ron escribió: > >> >> I always assumed EQ phase shift is so minute it has no >> effect on the auto azimuth circuit, but if your observation >> is correct, then I must have been wrong. This would seem to >> imply that the CR-7 auto azimuth should be aligned with the >> tape formulation most commonly used with the deck, since the >> auto azimuth introduces slight azimuth error on other >> formulations (though this is hardly serious, as it only >> affects PB during recoding). >> >> -- Ron From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Dec 5 02:52:17 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 19:52:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Electronixs audio cassette In-Reply-To: <000601c717da$ac990f90$0961659b@lcb105> References: <000601c717da$ac990f90$0961659b@lcb105> Message-ID: <3C44A388-8292-4C99-8FCD-5AAEDCB96948@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Victor, On Dec 4, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Any tried their awful test cassette? > I am wondering if any of the level are even close. I have tried this "test tape" and compared it to the TDK, Teac, Revox and an older STL (back when they made test cassettes.) The 1 kHz tone is within 1.5 dB, but as you go toward the highest-end and the lowest end the error increases. It's fully 3 dB off in the 10 kHz region. I truly believe, but cannot prove, they are actually high-speed duplicates! The noise floor sounds like what I've heard from high speed dupes and the flutter-and-wow is obvious at higher frequencies. also the tape shell itself if quite cheaply made; I bet it has plenty of azimuth errors! I do not even think it rates as "better than nothing." Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Tue Dec 5 03:13:17 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:13:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Did I miss a MR2 Salel??? References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061204122958.01badaa0@gate.net> <6bddc1110612041103l6065bd19tb0eb4e724cc397db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <05c001c71812$edd33bb0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> That's what I need 55 MR2's! 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SJ --- Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Victor, > > On Dec 4, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > > > Any tried their awful test cassette? > > I am wondering if any of the level are even close. > > I have tried this "test tape" and compared it to the TDK, Teac, > Revox > and an older STL (back when they made test cassettes.) The 1 kHz > tone > is within 1.5 dB, but as you go toward the highest-end and the > lowest > end the error increases. It's fully 3 dB off in the 10 kHz region. > I > truly believe, but cannot prove, they are actually high-speed > duplicates! The noise floor sounds like what I've heard from high > speed dupes and the flutter-and-wow is obvious at higher > frequencies. > also the tape shell itself if quite cheaply made; I bet it has > plenty > of azimuth errors! > > I do not even think it rates as "better than nothing." > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From ady at spamcop.net Tue Dec 5 15:00:32 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:00:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] lazy orange cap list.. Message-ID: <58DF9C80-514D-457A-8FFE-491BAB8109F2@spamcop.net> hello again does anyone a list of the values of orange caps in the following naks: 680 (non zx) and 682 ZX? I know it sounds lazy but it would save alot of time! thanks adrian From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 6 01:55:55 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:55:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Crossover Message-ID: <230646.13991.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone know a web site where I can get schematics for crossovers? I'm going to help a friend put a speaker system in a corvette. Thanks, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen.sternthal at verizon.net Wed Dec 6 02:48:36 2006 From: stephen.sternthal at verizon.net (Stephen W. Sternthal) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:48:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Crossover In-Reply-To: <230646.13991.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <230646.13991.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45762174.4020008@verizon.net> Bob Naylor wrote: > *Does anyone know a web site where I can get schematics for > crossovers? I'm going to help a friend put a speaker system in a > corvette.* > *Thanks, Bob* > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/571 - Release Date: 12/5/2006 11:50 AM > > www.partsexpress.com carries parts drivers crossovers and has design software on site From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 6 03:23:55 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:23:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Crossover In-Reply-To: <45762174.4020008@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20061206022355.45072.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Stephen, Thanks! That's exactly what I was hoping to find. Bob "Stephen W. Sternthal" wrote: Bob Naylor wrote: > *Does anyone know a web site where I can get schematics for > crossovers? I'm going to help a friend put a speaker system in a > corvette.* > *Thanks, Bob* > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/571 - Release Date: 12/5/2006 11:50 AM > > www.partsexpress.com carries parts drivers crossovers and has design software on site ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Dec 6 04:10:25 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:10:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Electronixs audio cassette In-Reply-To: <373980.81102.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <373980.81102.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0BC971EB-334E-4058-99E0-042563E821F1@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Scott, On Dec 4, 2006, at 10:07 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: > For me, the tape had an unbelieveable amount of print through and > test tones had a weird distortion to them. Azimuth seemed close > enough. I think I could have produced a better tape. I don't think > I checked levels or speed, I was too disgusted with the distortion > and print through. > Well said. This is why I think it's a high-speed dupe. > SJ > > > --- Kermit Gray wrote: > >> Hey Victor, >> >> On Dec 4, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: >> >>> Any tried their awful test cassette? >>> I am wondering if any of the level are even close. >> >> I have tried this "test tape" and compared it to the TDK, Teac, >> Revox >> and an older STL (back when they made test cassettes.) The 1 kHz >> tone >> is within 1.5 dB, but as you go toward the highest-end and the >> lowest >> end the error increases. It's fully 3 dB off in the 10 kHz region. >> I >> truly believe, but cannot prove, they are actually high-speed >> duplicates! The noise floor sounds like what I've heard from high >> speed dupes and the flutter-and-wow is obvious at higher >> frequencies. >> also the tape shell itself if quite cheaply made; I bet it has >> plenty >> of azimuth errors! >> >> I do not even think it rates as "better than nothing." >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! >> >> >> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Cheap talk? > Check out Yahoo! 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From kokkolis at yahoo.com Wed Dec 6 13:11:14 2006 From: kokkolis at yahoo.com (Christos Kokkolis) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:11:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording Message-ID: <958060.28378.qm@web30610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, I had a nasty surprise on my otherwise immaculate CR-7: 1-2 seconds after pressing "Auto calibration", the three lights "Bias, Level, Azimunth" start to flash continously and of course the process does not complete... I tried different tapes, I checked all connections, all OK.. In the light of all this, I then tried to record a tape and skip Auto-calibration... nothing was recorded... Has anyone came across anything similar? Last time I recorded 3-4 months ago, everything was fine.... I recently replaced the top cover of the deck with one that has the heat sink perforations on the side of the cover (as opposed to the original cover that has the perforations on the top). Could this cover swap have been the culprit of my misery? Thanks a lot and enjoy the upcoming holidays ! Christos ***************** Flat 4, 126 Castle Hill, Reading RG1 7RL, UK Tel: +44 118 986 17 42 Mob: +44 7968 70 29 72 --------------------------------- Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Dec 6 15:25:28 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:25:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <958060.28378.qm@web30610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <958060.28378.qm@web30610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4576D2D8.5010305@rcn.com> Christos Kokkolis wrote: > Hello all, > > > I had a nasty surprise on my otherwise immaculate CR-7: > > 1-2 seconds after pressing "Auto calibration", the three lights "Bias, > Level, Azimunth" start to flash continously and of course the process > does not complete... > > I tried different tapes, I checked all connections, all OK.. > > In the light of all this, I then tried to record a tape and skip > Auto-calibration... nothing was recorded... > > Has anyone came across anything similar? Last time I recorded 3-4 > months ago, everything was fine.... Seem like your CR-7 no longer records. This explains why he auto calibration failed. Did the meters react to the recording signal? Could you hear it with the monitor switch in the 'Source' position? Did the 'Record' button light up? If so, check input connections. If not, heck whether the heads are clean and the blank cassette. > I recently replaced the top cover of the deck with one that has the heat > sink perforations on the side of the cover (as opposed to the original > cover that has the perforations on the top). Could this cover swap have > been the culprit of my misery? I doubt that the the cover would have this effect. However, it's possible something was damaged while playing with the deck. -- Ron > > Thanks a lot and enjoy the upcoming holidays ! > > > Christos > > > ***************** > Flat 4, 126 Castle Hill, > Reading RG1 7RL, UK > Tel: +44 118 986 17 42 > Mob: +44 7968 70 29 72 > > From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Thu Dec 7 00:02:34 2006 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:02:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings? In-Reply-To: <200612041101.kB4B0fIu023861@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: What's the best way to play back recordings made on a cheap mono cassette recorder? My goal is to ultimately get the material into digital format. The mono recordings have an annoying shifting image when played back on a stereo cassette deck, moving from left to right and back again. Would it be best to play back with a cheap mono machine, or simply combine the channels after playing on a stereo deck? I'm sure that if I use only the left or right output, I'll have an annoying change in volume. I guess the question is, what is physical placement of mono tracks vs. stereo tracks on cassette? Gary From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Dec 7 00:15:37 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:15:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You probably need to play this back through an amplifier which allows you to o/p in mono. OTOH, don't be put off trying to play back using a cheap mono recorder - many of them sound a lot better through a reasonable hi fi rig than you'd expect, judging by the poor quality internal speakers that they sport. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 06 December 2006 23:03 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings? What's the best way to play back recordings made on a cheap mono cassette recorder? My goal is to ultimately get the material into digital format. The mono recordings have an annoying shifting image when played back on a stereo cassette deck, moving from left to right and back again. Would it be best to play back with a cheap mono machine, or simply combine the channels after playing on a stereo deck? I'm sure that if I use only the left or right output, I'll have an annoying change in volume. I guess the question is, what is physical placement of mono tracks vs. stereo tracks on cassette? Gary ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kokkolis at yahoo.com Thu Dec 7 00:27:09 2006 From: kokkolis at yahoo.com (Christos Kokkolis) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:27:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <200509181001.j8IA0u3C005174@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <929073.86033.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Ron, It seems you are right, for some reason the deck has suddenly stopped recording.... When pressing "record" or "Auto calibration", the "Record" LED does come on, the meters do react to the recording signal when I switch to "Source" -hence connections must be OK (and also no issues at playback whatsoever). The head assembly seems to move OK when I press the "Record" button, it just appears the recording head has stopped to work.... But can this be right? Do recording heads fail suddenly just like this? I cleaned the heads with cleaning fluid, I also used my Nakamichi de-magnitiser to de-magnitise the heads, the problem still persists... Any other thoughts? Time to change heads? Thanks ever so much for your time & thoughts. Best regards, Christos Christos Kokkolis wrote: > Hello all, > > > I had a nasty surprise on my otherwise immaculate CR-7: > > 1-2 seconds after pressing "Auto calibration", the three lights "Bias, > Level, Azimunth" start to flash continously and of course the process > does not complete... > > I tried different tapes, I checked all connections, all OK.. > > In the light of all this, I then tried to record a tape and skip > Auto-calibration... nothing was recorded... > > Has anyone came across anything similar? Last time I recorded 3-4 > months ago, everything was fine.... Seem like your CR-7 no longer records. This explains why he auto calibration failed. Did the meters react to the recording signal? Could you hear it with the monitor switch in the 'Source' position? Did the 'Record' button light up? If so, check input connections. If not, heck whether the heads are clean and the blank cassette. > I recently replaced the top cover of the deck with one that has the > heat sink perforations on the side of the cover (as opposed to the > original cover that has the perforations on the top). Could this > cover swap have been the culprit of my misery? I doubt that the the cover would have this effect. However, it's possible something was damaged while playing with the deck. -- Ron > > Thanks a lot and enjoy the upcoming holidays ! > > > Christos ***************** Flat 4, 126 Castle Hill, Reading RG1 7RL, UK Tel: +44 118 986 17 42 Mob: +44 7968 70 29 72 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Dec 7 00:31:26 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:31:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35714D18-268E-48FE-9C13-9A0AC1FA11DE@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gary, The track widths do indeed differ. My advice is to play the mono cassette on a stereo deck, Dragon especially, connect whichever channel plays loudest (usually the left channel) to both inputs of whatever recorder you are recording to. On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:02 PM, gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > What's the best way to play back recordings made on a cheap mono > cassette > recorder? My goal is to ultimately get the material into digital > format. > The mono recordings have an annoying shifting image when played > back on a > stereo cassette deck, moving from left to right and back again. > Would it > be best to play back with a cheap mono machine, or simply combine the > channels after playing on a stereo deck? I'm sure that if I use > only the > left or right output, I'll have an annoying change in volume. > > I guess the question is, what is physical placement of mono tracks vs. > stereo tracks on cassette? > > Gary Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 00:37:14 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:37:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings? In-Reply-To: <35714D18-268E-48FE-9C13-9A0AC1FA11DE@woods-and-waters.com> References: <35714D18-268E-48FE-9C13-9A0AC1FA11DE@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612061537v2fd2e649vc2083e8cccc869b1@mail.gmail.com> If you can turn the balance knob all the way in the direction of the channel you're duplicating that is also a good idea. I second the Dragon motion, it will adjust itself to the best sound possible during playback. -Tim On 12/6/06, Kermit Gray wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > The track widths do indeed differ. My advice is to play the mono > cassette on a stereo deck, Dragon especially, connect whichever > channel plays loudest (usually the left channel) to both inputs of > whatever recorder you are recording to. > > On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:02 PM, gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > > What's the best way to play back recordings made on a cheap mono > > cassette > > recorder? My goal is to ultimately get the material into digital > > format. > > The mono recordings have an annoying shifting image when played > > back on a > > stereo cassette deck, moving from left to right and back again. > > Would it > > be best to play back with a cheap mono machine, or simply combine the > > channels after playing on a stereo deck? I'm sure that if I use > > only the > > left or right output, I'll have an annoying change in volume. > > > > I guess the question is, what is physical placement of mono tracks vs. > > stereo tracks on cassette? > > > > Gary > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Dec 7 00:40:36 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:40:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings? In-Reply-To: <35714D18-268E-48FE-9C13-9A0AC1FA11DE@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <972568.89310.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If the sound is moving left and right, isn't it better to just connect both channels together with a Y splitter? > gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > > What's the best way to play back recordings made > on a cheap mono > > cassette > > recorder? My goal is to ultimately get the > material into digital > > format. > > The mono recordings have an annoying shifting > image when played > > back on a > > stereo cassette deck, moving from left to right > and back again. > > Would it > > be best to play back with a cheap mono machine, or > simply combine the > > channels after playing on a stereo deck? I'm sure > that if I use > > only the > > left or right output, I'll have an annoying change > in volume. > > > > I guess the question is, what is physical > placement of mono tracks vs. > > stereo tracks on cassette? > > > > Gary > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 7 00:40:06 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:40:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings? In-Reply-To: References: <200612041101.kB4B0fIu023861@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061206174006.00842a70@earthlink.net> I recommend playback of the right channel only, and use a Y cord to feed a CD-R recorder. The left channel is at the tape edge and prone to dropouts. tom brucker At 05:02 PM 12/6/06 -0600, gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: >What's the best way to play back recordings made on a cheap mono cassette >recorder? My goal is to ultimately get the material into digital format. >The mono recordings have an annoying shifting image when played back on a >stereo cassette deck, moving from left to right and back again. Would it >be best to play back with a cheap mono machine, or simply combine the >channels after playing on a stereo deck? I'm sure that if I use only the >left or right output, I'll have an annoying change in volume. > >I guess the question is, what is physical placement of mono tracks vs. >stereo tracks on cassette? > >Gary > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 7 00:43:22 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:43:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <929073.86033.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200509181001.j8IA0u3C005174@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061206174322.00842450@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3530 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au Thu Dec 7 02:24:33 2006 From: pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:24:33 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] A question I need to ask all TEAC Z7000 owners Message-ID: <680099.32872.qm@web60720.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all. Sorry in advance to Wouter but this is not a Nakamichi related question and I am having problems with audiotalk. Can anyone here who owns a TEAC Z7000 deck please email me. I need to ask a question about azimuth. Cheers, Tom Siomopoulos. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Dec 7 04:10:08 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:10:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061206174006.00842a70@earthlink.net> References: <200612041101.kB4B0fIu023861@zxe.naks.com> <3.0.3.32.20061206174006.00842a70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Hi Tech wrote: > I recommend playback of the right channel only, and use a Y cord to > feed a > CD-R recorder. The left channel is at the tape edge and prone to > dropouts. Good thought. Yes, the left edge will be more prone to dropouts, but its level is often higher, giving a better signal-to-noise. I'd check both channels, if the left channel has no dropoujts i'd use it, but the right channel is always a safer choice because of lower drpouts, you're absolutely right. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Dec 7 06:59:15 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 05:59:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings? In-Reply-To: <972568.89310.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good idea - that's what I do when inputting into a stereo amp from my mono Leak Troughline tuner. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 06 December 2006 23:41 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE : Re: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings? If the sound is moving left and right, isn't it better to just connect both channels together with a Y splitter? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Dec 7 07:11:01 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 06:11:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings? Message-ID: Folks! I use the same "Y" splitter...from my Dynaco St-70 Mk-2 by Panor to my ONE JBL Hartsfield vintage Horn Loaded speaker system cabinet. Peace.ALEX! > From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: RE : Re: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings?> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 05:59:15 +0000> > Good idea - that's what I do when inputting into a stereo amp from my mono> Leak Troughline tuner.> > Gra'> > -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On> Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes> Sent: 06 December 2006 23:41> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> Subject: RE : Re: [naktalk] How do I archive mono cassette recordings?> > > If the sound is moving left and right, isn't it better> to just connect both channels together with a Y> splitter?> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. 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In-Reply-To: <255849.3844.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <255849.3844.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, No, the 482 has only Dolby B, but it will handle metal cassettes. On Dec 7, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Does anyone know if the 482 has dolby C? > A couple months ago someone sent a link that had a list of all Naks > and their retail prices etc. Anyone know this site? > Thanks, Bob > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 8 12:36:25 2006 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 03:36:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. Message-ID: <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, I recently acquired a vintage B&O beocorder 5000 from ebay and it works flawlessly. However, I noticed the following: When I record on any of my Naks( Dragon, CR7 or ZX9) the tapes play great on the Naks, but sounds muddy and muffled on the B&O. When recording on the B& O, I found that the recordings are made superbly( audiably at least) but they sound great on the Naks or my car deck too. The Nak recordings play ok on the car. Of course, the B&O can not record lows any where as well as the Naks. period. Anyone could shed some theoretical light on this? Thanks folks. Ram. --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daves at intergate.com Fri Dec 8 15:40:40 2006 From: daves at intergate.com (David) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:40:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <958060.28378.qm@web30610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019f01c71ad6$d74eaed0$a8ee64d0@neptune> Remember to demag. the heads and tape path. -----Original Message----- From: Christos Kokkolis [mailto:kokkolis at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording Hello all, I had a nasty surprise on my otherwise immaculate CR-7: 1-2 seconds after pressing "Auto calibration", the three lights "Bias, Level, Azimunth" start to flash continously and of course the process does not complete... I tried different tapes, I checked all connections, all OK.. In the light of all this, I then tried to record a tape and skip Auto-calibration... nothing was recorded... Has anyone came across anything similar? Last time I recorded 3-4 months ago, everything was fine.... I recently replaced the top cover of the deck with one that has the heat sink perforations on the side of the cover (as opposed to the original cover that has the perforations on the top). Could this cover swap have been the culprit of my misery? Thanks a lot and enjoy the upcoming holidays ! Christos ***************** Flat 4, 126 Castle Hill, Reading RG1 7RL, UK Tel: +44 118 986 17 42 Mob: +44 7968 70 29 72 _____ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" - The Wall Street Journal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 8 15:56:05 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:56:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45797D05.2030200@rcn.com> This is true for many Nak decks. Simply put, the Nak record EQ is not compatible with the PB EQ of other decks. -- Ron shanti ramachandran wrote: > Hi all, > > I recently acquired a vintage B&O beocorder 5000 from ebay and it works > flawlessly. > > However, I noticed the following: > > When I record on any of my Naks( Dragon, CR7 or ZX9) the tapes play > great on the Naks, but sounds muddy and muffled on the B&O. When > recording on the B& O, I found that the recordings are made superbly( > audiably at least) but they sound great on the Naks or my car deck too. > The Nak recordings play ok on the car. > > Of course, the B&O can not record lows any where as well as the Naks. > period. > > Anyone could shed some theoretical light on this? Thanks folks. > > Ram. > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 8 16:01:09 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:01:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061208090109.008553c0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1678 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 8 16:13:07 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:13:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <45797D05.2030200@rcn.com> References: <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> Myth! Early Nak play eq is exact from 20 to 14kHz, and then rises +2db at 20kHz relative to the Philips standard. I defy you to hear the difference ..... what happens is other deck sound dull compared to the Nak, so the Nak gets the blame! Decks in the CR and DR line follow the Philips standard. tom brucker At 09:56 AM 12/8/06 -0500, you wrote: > >This is true for many Nak decks. Simply put, the Nak >record EQ is not compatible with the PB EQ of other >decks. > >-- Ron > > >shanti ramachandran wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I recently acquired a vintage B&O beocorder 5000 from ebay and it works >> flawlessly. >> >> However, I noticed the following: >> >> When I record on any of my Naks( Dragon, CR7 or ZX9) the tapes play >> great on the Naks, but sounds muddy and muffled on the B&O. When >> recording on the B& O, I found that the recordings are made superbly( >> audiably at least) but they sound great on the Naks or my car deck too. >> The Nak recordings play ok on the car. >> >> Of course, the B&O can not record lows any where as well as the Naks. >> period. >> >> Anyone could shed some theoretical light on this? Thanks folks. >> >> Ram. >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 8 17:47:28 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:47:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20061208164729.17585.qmail@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What have you guys noticed with a tape recorded on a 2 head Nak? I have found that tapes recorded on my"cassette deck 1, 1.5, or MR1's" sound fine played in the car. I have also noticed that tapes recorded on other decks sound better played back on my Naks then they do played back on the deck they were recorded on! I have not done much with my 2 head deck to judge yet. Bob Hi Tech wrote: Myth! Early Nak play eq is exact from 20 to 14kHz, and then rises +2db at 20kHz relative to the Philips standard. I defy you to hear the difference ..... what happens is other deck sound dull compared to the Nak, so the Nak gets the blame! Decks in the CR and DR line follow the Philips standard. tom brucker At 09:56 AM 12/8/06 -0500, you wrote: > >This is true for many Nak decks. Simply put, the Nak >record EQ is not compatible with the PB EQ of other >decks. > >-- Ron > > >shanti ramachandran wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I recently acquired a vintage B&O beocorder 5000 from ebay and it works >> flawlessly. >> >> However, I noticed the following: >> >> When I record on any of my Naks( Dragon, CR7 or ZX9) the tapes play >> great on the Naks, but sounds muddy and muffled on the B&O. When >> recording on the B& O, I found that the recordings are made superbly( >> audiably at least) but they sound great on the Naks or my car deck too. >> The Nak recordings play ok on the car. >> >> Of course, the B&O can not record lows any where as well as the Naks. >> period. >> >> Anyone could shed some theoretical light on this? Thanks folks. >> >> Ram. >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 18:21:23 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:21:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <20061208164729.17585.qmail@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> <20061208164729.17585.qmail@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612080921m3cd7b4e4n9c589b7a65a407ce@mail.gmail.com> Bob, I think that this was Nakamichi playing well with others. The later two head Naks used sendust heads that were engineered to EQ closer to later dumbed-down IEC standards so as to sound a bit more normal on other manufacturer's decks, and also give a more standard playback EQ from tapes recorded on others' decks. The frequency response and clarity of 2-head sendust models won't come anywhere near that of the discrete head Naks with crystalloy core heads, but they still sound pretty damned good. -Tim On 12/8/06, Bob Naylor wrote: > > *What have you guys noticed with a tape recorded on a 2 head Nak? I have > found that tapes recorded on my"cassette deck 1, 1.5, or MR1's" sound fine > played in the car. I have also noticed that tapes recorded on other decks > sound better played back on my Naks then they do played back on the deck > they were recorded on!* > *I have not done much with my 2 head deck to judge yet.* > *Bob* > > *Hi Tech * wrote: > > Myth! > Early Nak play eq is exact from 20 to 14kHz, and then rises +2db at > 20kHz relative to the Philips standard. I defy you to hear the difference > ..... what happens is other deck sound dull compared to the Nak, so the > Nak gets the blame! Decks in the CR and DR line follow the Philips > standard. > > tom brucker > > > > At 09:56 AM 12/8/06 -0500, you wrote: > > > >This is true for many Nak decks. Simply put, the Nak > >record EQ is not compatible with the PB EQ of other > >decks. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >shanti ramachandran wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I recently acquired a vintage B&O beocorder 5000 from ebay and it works > > >> flawlessly. > >> > >> However, I noticed the following: > >> > >> When I record on any of my Naks( Dragon, CR7 or ZX9) the tapes play > >> great on the Naks, but sounds muddy and muffled on the B&O. When > >> recording on the B& O, I found that the recordings are made superbly( > >> audiably at least) but they sound great on the Naks or my car deck too. > > >> The Nak recordings play ok on the car. > >> > >> Of course, the B&O can not record lows any where as well as the Naks. > >> period. > >> > >> Anyone could shed some theoretical light on this? Thanks folks. > >> > >> Ram. > >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 8 19:23:31 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:23:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110612080921m3cd7b4e4n9c589b7a65a407ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <501551.42631.qm@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim, What is "sendust" heads? Bob Tim Skorick wrote: Bob, I think that this was Nakamichi playing well with others. The later two head Naks used sendust heads that were engineered to EQ closer to later dumbed-down IEC standards so as to sound a bit more normal on other manufacturer's decks, and also give a more standard playback EQ from tapes recorded on others' decks. The frequency response and clarity of 2-head sendust models won't come anywhere near that of the discrete head Naks with crystalloy core heads, but they still sound pretty damned good. -Tim On 12/8/06, Bob Naylor wrote: What have you guys noticed with a tape recorded on a 2 head Nak? I have found that tapes recorded on my"cassette deck 1, 1.5, or MR1's" sound fine played in the car. I have also noticed that tapes recorded on other decks sound better played back on my Naks then they do played back on the deck they were recorded on! I have not done much with my 2 head deck to judge yet. Bob Hi Tech < hitech77 at earthlink.net> wrote: Myth! Early Nak play eq is exact from 20 to 14kHz, and then rises +2db at 20kHz relative to the Philips standard. I defy you to hear the difference ..... what happens is other deck sound dull compared to the Nak, so the Nak gets the blame! Decks in the CR and DR line follow the Philips standard. tom brucker At 09:56 AM 12/8/06 -0500, you wrote: > >This is true for many Nak decks. Simply put, the Nak >record EQ is not compatible with the PB EQ of other >decks. > >-- Ron > > >shanti ramachandran wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I recently acquired a vintage B&O beocorder 5000 from ebay and it works >> flawlessly. >> >> However, I noticed the following: >> >> When I record on any of my Naks( Dragon, CR7 or ZX9) the tapes play >> great on the Naks, but sounds muddy and muffled on the B&O. When >> recording on the B& O, I found that the recordings are made superbly( >> audiably at least) but they sound great on the Naks or my car deck too. >> The Nak recordings play ok on the car. >> >> Of course, the B&O can not record lows any where as well as the Naks. >> period. >> >> Anyone could shed some theoretical light on this? Thanks folks. >> >> Ram. >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 19:35:56 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 12:35:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <501551.42631.qm@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6bddc1110612080921m3cd7b4e4n9c589b7a65a407ce@mail.gmail.com> <501551.42631.qm@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612081035y3d2f8b6v3cc53b71a22d0091@mail.gmail.com> Bob, Sendust is a metal powder composed of iron, silicon and aluminum. Sendust cores have high magnetic permeability, low loss, and good temperature stability. Sendust is harder than permalloy, and is useful in applications that cause wear, especially magnetic recording heads. Sendust heads used in later Naks rolled off bass about 15 Hz higher than earlier crystalloy heads, and while there was some high frequency loss as well I believed Nakamichi compensated for this via internal EQ on some later Sendust head decks. I don't know that there is a definitive list of Nak heads that were Sendust core, but I've heard that all the 2-head decks after 1980 or so were Sendust. Can anyone confirm/deny this? -Tim On 12/8/06, Bob Naylor wrote: > > *Tim,* > *What is "sendust" heads?* > *Bob* > > *Tim Skorick * wrote: > > Bob, > > I think that this was Nakamichi playing well with others. The later two > head Naks used sendust heads that were engineered to EQ closer to later > dumbed-down IEC standards so as to sound a bit more normal on other > manufacturer's decks, and also give a more standard playback EQ from tapes > recorded on others' decks. > > The frequency response and clarity of 2-head sendust models won't come > anywhere near that of the discrete head Naks with crystalloy core heads, but > they still sound pretty damned good. > > -Tim > > On 12/8/06, Bob Naylor wrote: > > > > *What have you guys noticed with a tape recorded on a 2 head Nak? I > > have found that tapes recorded on my"cassette deck 1, 1.5, or MR1's" > > sound fine played in the car. I have also noticed that tapes recorded on > > other decks sound better played back on my Naks then they do played back on > > the deck they were recorded on! * > > *I have not done much with my 2 head deck to judge yet.* > > *Bob* > > > > *Hi Tech < hitech77 at earthlink.net>* wrote: > > > > Myth! > > Early Nak play eq is exact from 20 to 14kHz, and then rises +2db at > > 20kHz relative to the Philips standard. I defy you to hear the > > difference > > ..... what happens is other deck sound dull compared to the Nak, so the > > Nak gets the blame! Decks in the CR and DR line follow the Philips > > standard. > > > > tom brucker > > > > > > > > At 09:56 AM 12/8/06 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >This is true for many Nak decks. Simply put, the Nak > > >record EQ is not compatible with the PB EQ of other > > >decks. > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > >shanti ramachandran wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> I recently acquired a vintage B&O beocorder 5000 from ebay and it > > works > > >> flawlessly. > > >> > > >> However, I noticed the following: > > >> > > >> When I record on any of my Naks( Dragon, CR7 or ZX9) the tapes play > > >> great on the Naks, but sounds muddy and muffled on the B&O. When > > >> recording on the B& O, I found that the recordings are made superbly( > > > > >> audiably at least) but they sound great on the Naks or my car deck > > too. > > >> The Nak recordings play ok on the car. > > >> > > >> Of course, the B&O can not record lows any where as well as the Naks. > > > > >> period. > > >> > > >> Anyone could shed some theoretical light on this? Thanks folks. > > >> > > >> Ram. > > >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Dec 8 20:14:07 2006 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 12:14:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A problems Message-ID: <001601c71afd$0b9c28e0$0961659b@lcb105> Ok guys, Here are some of the problems with the service manual alignment procedure. I purchased a second CR7A to compare. 1- max bias current is supposed to be measured at 80mV with a DMM then limit it to 70mV in ZX settings. I have found that it needs to be 40mV max and center at 10mV. Why is this? 2- Azimuth in the phase comparator circuit. Claims to adjust VR304 until the Azimuth lights up. Doing so causes the auto calibration to fail. Adjusting it to its mechanical center, it works fine. Very confusing! I would like to align everything to spec however this causes the deck to be useless for recording. I am using a Fluke 87 true RMS DMM and Tectronics 465 dual trace scope. Any ideas? Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From luis at peromarta.org Fri Dec 8 20:30:26 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:30:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A problems In-Reply-To: <001601c71afd$0b9c28e0$0961659b@lcb105> References: <001601c71afd$0b9c28e0$0961659b@lcb105> Message-ID: <4579BD52.3000301@peromarta.org> Hi Victor, I have gone trough calibrating a CR-7 quite a few times. Not much you can do without alignment tapes, and the DA09101A test unit, I'm afraid. This last one, you can build one yourself, the schematics are printed on the manual. The tapes, well the usual places, starting here: http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html Regarding the phase comparator is one of the most important tweaks of the deck, as the correct azimuth during auto-cal depends on this. You have to follow exactly what it says, or you will render the machine useless for recording. Forget about mechanical center. You may just have been lucky this time. I can assure you aligning everything to spec is the way to go. Best rgds, LP. Victor Gabrenas escribió: > Ok guys, Here are some of the problems with the service manual alignment > procedure. I purchased a second CR7A to compare. > > 1- max bias current is supposed to be measured at 80mV with a DMM then limit > it to 70mV in ZX settings. I have found that it needs to be 40mV max and > center at 10mV. Why is this? > > 2- Azimuth in the phase comparator circuit. Claims to adjust VR304 until the > Azimuth lights up. Doing so causes the auto calibration to fail. Adjusting > it to its mechanical center, it works fine. > > Very confusing! I would like to align everything to spec however this causes > the deck to be useless for recording. > > I am using a Fluke 87 true RMS DMM and Tectronics 465 dual trace scope. > > Any ideas? > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From thole at wxs.nl Fri Dec 8 21:37:48 2006 From: thole at wxs.nl (Pieter Thole) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:37:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RM-5 ok for ZX-7 right? In-Reply-To: <501551.42631.qm@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I just want to be shure, but the RM-5 works on ZX-7, right? regards, Pieter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Dec 8 21:59:51 2006 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:59:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A problems In-Reply-To: <4579BD52.3000301@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <000901c71b0b$ce52edc0$3601000a@gabrenas> I have built the test box. However I do not dare to touch the physical alignment of the head until I actually have a test cassette that I can trust. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:30 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A problems Hi Victor, I have gone trough calibrating a CR-7 quite a few times. Not much you can do without alignment tapes, and the DA09101A test unit, I'm afraid. This last one, you can build one yourself, the schematics are printed on the manual. The tapes, well the usual places, starting here: http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html Regarding the phase comparator is one of the most important tweaks of the deck, as the correct azimuth during auto-cal depends on this. You have to follow exactly what it says, or you will render the machine useless for recording. Forget about mechanical center. You may just have been lucky this time. I can assure you aligning everything to spec is the way to go. Best rgds, LP. Victor Gabrenas escribió: > Ok guys, Here are some of the problems with the service manual alignment > procedure. I purchased a second CR7A to compare. > > 1- max bias current is supposed to be measured at 80mV with a DMM then limit > it to 70mV in ZX settings. I have found that it needs to be 40mV max and > center at 10mV. Why is this? > > 2- Azimuth in the phase comparator circuit. Claims to adjust VR304 until the > Azimuth lights up. Doing so causes the auto calibration to fail. Adjusting > it to its mechanical center, it works fine. > > Very confusing! I would like to align everything to spec however this causes > the deck to be useless for recording. > > I am using a Fluke 87 true RMS DMM and Tectronics 465 dual trace scope. > > Any ideas? > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 8 22:16:15 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:16:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RM-5 ok for ZX-7 right? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061208211615.34423.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah, no problem. The RM-5 will work fine with the ZX-7. SJ --- Pieter Thole wrote: > I just want to be shure, but the RM-5 works on ZX-7, right? > > regards, > > Pieter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 8 22:54:55 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:54:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> References: <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4579DF2F.10902@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > Myth! > Early Nak play eq is exact from 20 to 14kHz, and then rises +2db at > 20kHz relative to the Philips standard. I defy you to hear the difference > ..... what happens is other deck sound dull compared to the Nak, so the > Nak gets the blame! So how come tapes recorded on lesser decks sound fine, but Nak tapes do not? Decks in the CR and DR line follow the Philips standard. I don't own a Dragon, but have been told numerous times that tapes recorded on it sound muffled and lifeless on other decks. The effect is less pronounced but still present on the CR-7 (and less so if the EQ mod is incorporated). Don't know about the DR line. Stephen explained this in a long thread some years ago. Feel free to dig into the archives, it's all documented in there. (BTW, I don't got for myths). -- Ron > > tom brucker > > > > At 09:56 AM 12/8/06 -0500, you wrote: >> This is true for many Nak decks. Simply put, the Nak >> record EQ is not compatible with the PB EQ of other >> decks. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> shanti ramachandran wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I recently acquired a vintage B&O beocorder 5000 from ebay and it works >>> flawlessly. >>> >>> However, I noticed the following: >>> >>> When I record on any of my Naks( Dragon, CR7 or ZX9) the tapes play >>> great on the Naks, but sounds muddy and muffled on the B&O. When >>> recording on the B& O, I found that the recordings are made superbly( >>> audiably at least) but they sound great on the Naks or my car deck too. >>> The Nak recordings play ok on the car. >>> >>> Of course, the B&O can not record lows any where as well as the Naks. >>> period. >>> >>> Anyone could shed some theoretical light on this? Thanks folks. >>> >>> Ram. >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 8 22:59:52 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:59:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A problems In-Reply-To: <001601c71afd$0b9c28e0$0961659b@lcb105> Message-ID: <815249.95161.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bias current I believe is 105kHz and the Fluke 87 only goes to, I believe 20kHz. This might explain the low reading you are getting. Even the newer 87 series IV only goes to 100kHz. You need to use a real VTVM or the Fluke ultra wideband meters like the 8920A, 8921A and 8922A. My favorite meter, the Fluke 8060A goes to about 200kHz with decreased accuracy. --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Ok guys, Here are some of the problems with the service manual > alignment > procedure. I purchased a second CR7A to compare. > > 1- max bias current is supposed to be measured at 80mV with a DMM > then limit > it to 70mV in ZX settings. I have found that it needs to be 40mV > max and > center at 10mV. Why is this? > > 2- Azimuth in the phase comparator circuit. Claims to adjust VR304 > until the > Azimuth lights up. Doing so causes the auto calibration to fail. > Adjusting > it to its mechanical center, it works fine. > > Very confusing! I would like to align everything to spec however > this causes > the deck to be useless for recording. > > I am using a Fluke 87 true RMS DMM and Tectronics 465 dual trace > scope. > > Any ideas? > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Dec 8 23:05:49 2006 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 15:05:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A problems In-Reply-To: <815249.95161.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c71b15$07f972c0$0961659b@lcb105> My Fluke 87 goes to 200khz Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 3:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A problems Bias current I believe is 105kHz and the Fluke 87 only goes to, I believe 20kHz. This might explain the low reading you are getting. Even the newer 87 series IV only goes to 100kHz. You need to use a real VTVM or the Fluke ultra wideband meters like the 8920A, 8921A and 8922A. My favorite meter, the Fluke 8060A goes to about 200kHz with decreased accuracy. --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Ok guys, Here are some of the problems with the service manual > alignment > procedure. I purchased a second CR7A to compare. > > 1- max bias current is supposed to be measured at 80mV with a DMM > then limit > it to 70mV in ZX settings. I have found that it needs to be 40mV > max and > center at 10mV. Why is this? > > 2- Azimuth in the phase comparator circuit. Claims to adjust VR304 > until the > Azimuth lights up. Doing so causes the auto calibration to fail. > Adjusting > it to its mechanical center, it works fine. > > Very confusing! I would like to align everything to spec however > this causes > the deck to be useless for recording. > > I am using a Fluke 87 true RMS DMM and Tectronics 465 dual trace > scope. > > Any ideas? > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Fri Dec 8 23:34:45 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:34:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A problems In-Reply-To: <000001c71b15$07f972c0$0961659b@lcb105> References: <000001c71b15$07f972c0$0961659b@lcb105> Message-ID: <4579E885.7080709@peromarta.org> I didn't want to jump in here, but here we go. Scott is right, your 87 is true rms up to 20KHz, not 200KHz. (Sorry) Your 87, however, can count frequency up to 200KHz. rgds, LP. Victor Gabrenas escribió: > My Fluke 87 goes to 200khz > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Scott Johnson > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 3:00 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A problems > > Bias current I believe is 105kHz and the Fluke 87 only goes to, I > believe 20kHz. This might explain the low reading you are getting. > Even the newer 87 series IV only goes to 100kHz. > > You need to use a real VTVM or the Fluke ultra wideband meters like > the 8920A, 8921A and 8922A. My favorite meter, the Fluke 8060A goes > to about 200kHz with decreased accuracy. > > From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sat Dec 9 01:55:16 2006 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:55:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Project In-Reply-To: <20061208211615.34423.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Dec 9 02:49:59 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:49:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A problems In-Reply-To: <815249.95161.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <815249.95161.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <457A1647.2030404@rcn.com> Scott Johnson wrote: > Bias current I believe is 105kHz and the Fluke 87 only goes to, I > believe 20kHz. This might explain the low reading you are getting. > Even the newer 87 series IV only goes to 100kHz. > > You need to use a real VTVM or the Fluke ultra wideband meters like > the 8920A, 8921A and 8922A. My favorite meter, the Fluke 8060A goes > to about 200kHz with decreased accuracy. Any old 'scope is better. At the same time, you can make sure the bias waveform is reasonably clean. -- Ron > --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > >> Ok guys, Here are some of the problems with the service manual >> alignment >> procedure. I purchased a second CR7A to compare. >> >> 1- max bias current is supposed to be measured at 80mV with a DMM >> then limit >> it to 70mV in ZX settings. I have found that it needs to be 40mV >> max and >> center at 10mV. Why is this? >> >> 2- Azimuth in the phase comparator circuit. Claims to adjust VR304 >> until the >> Azimuth lights up. Doing so causes the auto calibration to fail. >> Adjusting >> it to its mechanical center, it works fine. >> >> Very confusing! I would like to align everything to spec however >> this causes >> the deck to be useless for recording. >> >> I am using a Fluke 87 true RMS DMM and Tectronics 465 dual trace >> scope. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: >> 1-801-581-5257 >> University of Utah FAX: >> 1-801-581-4148 >> Department of Mathematics Email: >> gabrenas at math.utah.edu >> 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: >> http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >> Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: >> 105 LCB From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 05:49:56 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 20:49:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <999299.80158.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wouter has one of the units and I've asked him to test it on a variety of decks and give me feedback. After I sent it I found a bug that would affect RX-303/RX-505 and the Dragon when the remote receiver is powered and the deck is off. I am currently working on fixing that. It's not so much of a bug as it's just that my unit is feeding current into the unpowered deck which isn't a good thing. SJ --- Steve Ember wrote: --------------------------------- Hello All, Just wondering I had missed any posts regarding any progress on the remote control project for our Nak decks. If anyone is keeping track of candidates, my vote is for IR RC for the RX-505. What would be super-neat would be an affair such as Sony had for their high-end VCR's, where up to 3 machines could be assigned codes (i.e., Deck 1, 2, 3) and a slide switch on the hand-held remote control would determine which deck would respond to the commands. What a convenience if one has, say, three Naks in the same rack. Another vote would be for some means of adding IR RC to the RX-202. All best for the Holiday Season and don't forget to fill a stocking with premium cassettes to feed our babies... Steve --------------------------------- MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 09:04:15 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 02:04:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in built-in tones vs. playback tones Message-ID: <6bddc1110612100004l2f9d3ae9yd67de739507cd612@mail.gmail.com> I have a 582 (among other Naks), which has two built-in test tones, 400 Hz and 15 kHz. According to the manual, switching on the 15 kHz oscillator increases the meter sensitivity by 20 dB, so you set the record levels on calibration to 0 dB but they're really -20 dB. The problem is that, when I play back the recorded tones from the tape (Maxell XLII-S, for which the SX setting on my 582 is calibrated), the levels are around -30 dB. Is this something worth worrying about? I'm setting the monitor to tape and not source, one would think that the levels would be the same ... -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Dec 10 09:21:15 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:21:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in built-in tones vs. playback tones In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110612100004l2f9d3ae9yd67de739507cd612@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110612100004l2f9d3ae9yd67de739507cd612@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457BC37B.3040301@peromarta.org> You probably need to recalibrate bias and / or level for the tape. What you need to care of is meter display is the same when you switch from source to monitor. If it is around -20dB, little higher or lower is no big deal, as long as they read the same. Best rgds, LP. Tim Skorick escribió: > I have a 582 (among other Naks), which has two built-in test tones, 400 > Hz and 15 kHz. According to the manual, switching on the 15 kHz > oscillator increases the meter sensitivity by 20 dB, so you set the > record levels on calibration to 0 dB but they're really -20 dB. > > The problem is that, when I play back the recorded tones from the tape > (Maxell XLII-S, for which the SX setting on my 582 is calibrated), the > levels are around -30 dB. Is this something worth worrying about? I'm > setting the monitor to tape and not source, one would think that the > levels would be the same ... > > -Tim > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Dec 10 12:28:10 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:28:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Project In-Reply-To: <999299.80158.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <999299.80158.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <=u57RR3GTzqSpLeW1xXX9SK+aRcv@4ax.com> On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 20:49:56 -0800 (PST), Scott Johnson wrote: >Wouter has one of the units and I've asked him to test it on a >variety of decks and give me feedback. > >After I sent it I found a bug that would affect RX-303/RX-505 and the >Dragon when the remote receiver is powered and the deck is off. I am >currently working on fixing that. It's not so much of a bug as it's >just that my unit is feeding current into the unpowered deck which >isn't a good thing. So you'll change to sensing when the deck is powered on or will you just ask that people do not hook them up separately but use the same distributor box and turn them on using a switch on the box or wall outlet? -Mikkel From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 10 15:29:46 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:29:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Project In-Reply-To: <=u57RR3GTzqSpLeW1xXX9SK+aRcv@4ax.com> References: <999299.80158.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <=u57RR3GTzqSpLeW1xXX9SK+aRcv@4ax.com> Message-ID: <457C19DA.6080509@rcn.com> Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 20:49:56 -0800 (PST), Scott Johnson wrote: > >> Wouter has one of the units and I've asked him to test it on a >> variety of decks and give me feedback. >> >> After I sent it I found a bug that would affect RX-303/RX-505 and the >> Dragon when the remote receiver is powered and the deck is off. I am >> currently working on fixing that. It's not so much of a bug as it's >> just that my unit is feeding current into the unpowered deck which >> isn't a good thing. > > So you'll change to sensing when the deck is powered on or will you just ask that > people do not hook them up separately but use the same distributor box and turn them > on using a switch on the box or wall outlet? > > -Mikkel I assume this is what's happening: in normal operation, the deck pulls all command inputs HIGH through pull up resistors. The remote receiver asserts a command by pulling a particular command line LOW. At all other times, all the remote receiver command outputs are also pulled HIGH. Since command lines are pulled HIGH at both input and output ends, no current is drawn, except briefly, when a command is issued. Now, when the deck is powered down, all its control lines go LOW. If the remote receiver is ON, it still pulls all its control outputs HIGH. The deck then draws current through *all* its control inputs, which isn't very cool. All this is to be expected and would normally be taken care of during the design phase. The obvious solution is to power the remote receiver from the deck supply, which is easy to do if the deck remote sensor connector provides +12V and ground, but cumbersome otherwise. While there is a myriad of other solutions, none is that simple. -- Ron From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 17:11:42 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:11:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Project In-Reply-To: <=u57RR3GTzqSpLeW1xXX9SK+aRcv@4ax.com> Message-ID: <380409.89541.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It only affects decks which do not supply power (RX-303/RX-505/Dragon) where the remote is powered by a AC adapter. I have reprogrammed the output pins to open drain so they will rely on the deck for it's pull up and not supply any power. When I changed the code something got screwed up (I think). I built a test fixture last week so I can test these remote receivers without using a deck. If Wouter gives it the thumbs up I'll start cranking these out. SJ --- Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 20:49:56 -0800 (PST), Scott Johnson > wrote: > > >Wouter has one of the units and I've asked him to test it on a > >variety of decks and give me feedback. > > > >After I sent it I found a bug that would affect RX-303/RX-505 and > the > >Dragon when the remote receiver is powered and the deck is off. I > am > >currently working on fixing that. It's not so much of a bug as > it's > >just that my unit is feeding current into the unpowered deck which > >isn't a good thing. > > So you'll change to sensing when the deck is powered on or will you > just ask that > people do not hook them up separately but use the same distributor > box and turn them > on using a switch on the box or wall outlet? > > -Mikkel > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 17:15:05 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:15:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <793532.90538.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve, I've been looking over the schematic for the RX-202 and I an pretty sure I have a solution for making it remote capable. It's not an easy mod though (adding a remote plug to the back panel and adding wires to hard to get to boards.) I have two RX-202's and will try doing it on one of them. SJ --- Steve Ember wrote: --------------------------------- Hello All, Just wondering I had missed any posts regarding any progress on the remote control project for our Nak decks. If anyone is keeping track of candidates, my vote is for IR RC for the RX-505. What would be super-neat would be an affair such as Sony had for their high-end VCR's, where up to 3 machines could be assigned codes (i.e., Deck 1, 2, 3) and a slide switch on the hand-held remote control would determine which deck would respond to the commands. What a convenience if one has, say, three Naks in the same rack. Another vote would be for some means of adding IR RC to the RX-202. All best for the Holiday Season and don't forget to fill a stocking with premium cassettes to feed our babies... Steve --------------------------------- MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 17:36:32 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:36:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Project Message-ID: <20061210163632.72914.qmail@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, Its time I announced what I have done to date. I have built a control unit that is capable of controlling up to 4 individual decks at any one time. The receiver works via the IrDA (IrDAphy) interface and had a PLED display which shows the status of the decks transport controls. All outputs are completely isolated and buffered to avoid damage to either processor end or the deck's electronics. I am still adding features via firmware, so this is the best time to fullfill wish lists! The unit comes in a nice aluminium enclosure and it should sit neatly in a corner. It is fully SMT and I may most probably offer it in built units. The prototype circuit has been tested on my ZX, ZXL and Dragon decks. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sun Dec 10 18:00:16 2006 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:00:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Project In-Reply-To: <793532.90538.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 10 23:24:28 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:24:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <4579DF2F.10902@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061210162428.007d9430@earthlink.net> Since playback treble is EQ's to +2 on playback, record EQ is -2dB. This difference makes Nak recorded tapes play back with less"air" on decks that have extended treble. The difference is small. My take is that it is tolerable, unless the listener insists on perfection. That being said, the Nakamichi take ALSO has less noise and lower THD/IM distortion than tapes made on other decks, since they almost always record OVER peak bias and have a 2dB advantage in the saturation department. Dolby B makes these differences even more audible. I feel comfortable giving up 2dB above 14kHz for better sound throughout. tom brucker At 04:54 PM 12/8/06 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi Tech wrote: > >> Myth! >> Early Nak play eq is exact from 20 to 14kHz, and then rises +2db at >> 20kHz relative to the Philips standard. I defy you to hear the difference >> ..... what happens is other deck sound dull compared to the Nak, so the >> Nak gets the blame! > >So how come tapes recorded on lesser decks sound fine, but >Nak tapes do not? > >Decks in the CR and DR line follow the Philips standard. > >I don't own a Dragon, but have been told numerous times >that tapes recorded on it sound muffled and lifeless on >other decks. The effect is less pronounced but still >present on the CR-7 (and less so if the EQ mod is >incorporated). Don't know about the DR line. > >Stephen explained this in a long thread some years ago. >Feel free to dig into the archives, it's all documented >in there. > >(BTW, I don't got for myths). > >-- Ron > > > >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> >> At 09:56 AM 12/8/06 -0500, you wrote: >>> This is true for many Nak decks. Simply put, the Nak >>> record EQ is not compatible with the PB EQ of other >>> decks. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> shanti ramachandran wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I recently acquired a vintage B&O beocorder 5000 from ebay and it works >>>> flawlessly. >>>> >>>> However, I noticed the following: >>>> >>>> When I record on any of my Naks( Dragon, CR7 or ZX9) the tapes play >>>> great on the Naks, but sounds muddy and muffled on the B&O. When >>>> recording on the B& O, I found that the recordings are made superbly( >>>> audiably at least) but they sound great on the Naks or my car deck too. >>>> The Nak recordings play ok on the car. >>>> >>>> Of course, the B&O can not record lows any where as well as the Naks. >>>> period. >>>> >>>> Anyone could shed some theoretical light on this? Thanks folks. >>>> >>>> Ram. >>>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 10 23:24:37 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:24:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A problems In-Reply-To: <815249.95161.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001601c71afd$0b9c28e0$0961659b@lcb105> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061210162437.0083f750@earthlink.net> Amen. If there is any suspicion that the heads have been adjusted improperly, the electrical alignment is academic. I tried in a previous post to give you the proper bias setting procedure. Why not try it? tom brucker At 01:59 PM 12/8/06 -0800, you wrote: >Bias current I believe is 105kHz and the Fluke 87 only goes to, I >believe 20kHz. This might explain the low reading you are getting. >Even the newer 87 series IV only goes to 100kHz. > >You need to use a real VTVM or the Fluke ultra wideband meters like >the 8920A, 8921A and 8922A. My favorite meter, the Fluke 8060A goes >to about 200kHz with decreased accuracy. > > >--- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > >> Ok guys, Here are some of the problems with the service manual >> alignment >> procedure. I purchased a second CR7A to compare. >> >> 1- max bias current is supposed to be measured at 80mV with a DMM >> then limit >> it to 70mV in ZX settings. I have found that it needs to be 40mV >> max and >> center at 10mV. Why is this? >> >> 2- Azimuth in the phase comparator circuit. Claims to adjust VR304 >> until the >> Azimuth lights up. Doing so causes the auto calibration to fail. >> Adjusting >> it to its mechanical center, it works fine. >> >> Very confusing! I would like to align everything to spec however >> this causes >> the deck to be useless for recording. >> >> I am using a Fluke 87 true RMS DMM and Tectronics 465 dual trace >> scope. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: >> 1-801-581-5257 >> University of Utah FAX: >> 1-801-581-4148 >> Department of Mathematics Email: >> gabrenas at math.utah.edu >> 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: >> http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >> Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: >> 105 LCB >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________ >Have a burning question? >Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sun Dec 10 23:50:31 2006 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:50:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061210162437.0083f750@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001e01c71cad$98b44760$3601000a@gabrenas> Tom, I took some advice from this mail list. I picked up a used Fluke 8060A ($30) and found it very useful. My 87 will not measure the recording bias voltage. The 8060A does. My scope helped out as well. After gone through the service manual and following exactly their procedure, I was able to calibrate it perfectly. Works awesome! As for the physical adjustment, you are correct. Both playback and recording heads were a little low on the height and the record head was slightly off on the azimuth. After the adjustments were made, the phase comparator functions as the manual describes. I got say that I have never heard a better sounding cassette deck than the CR7A. I want to also take this opportunity to thank everyone for their advice. I am finding that the CR7A is incredibly easy to calibrate with the right gear. Thank you, Victor Gabrenas -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:25 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A problems Amen. If there is any suspicion that the heads have been adjusted improperly, the electrical alignment is academic. I tried in a previous post to give you the proper bias setting procedure. Why not try it? tom brucker At 01:59 PM 12/8/06 -0800, you wrote: >Bias current I believe is 105kHz and the Fluke 87 only goes to, I >believe 20kHz. This might explain the low reading you are getting. >Even the newer 87 series IV only goes to 100kHz. > >You need to use a real VTVM or the Fluke ultra wideband meters like >the 8920A, 8921A and 8922A. My favorite meter, the Fluke 8060A goes >to about 200kHz with decreased accuracy. > > >--- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > >> Ok guys, Here are some of the problems with the service manual >> alignment >> procedure. I purchased a second CR7A to compare. >> >> 1- max bias current is supposed to be measured at 80mV with a DMM >> then limit >> it to 70mV in ZX settings. I have found that it needs to be 40mV >> max and >> center at 10mV. Why is this? >> >> 2- Azimuth in the phase comparator circuit. Claims to adjust VR304 >> until the >> Azimuth lights up. Doing so causes the auto calibration to fail. >> Adjusting >> it to its mechanical center, it works fine. >> >> Very confusing! I would like to align everything to spec however >> this causes >> the deck to be useless for recording. >> >> I am using a Fluke 87 true RMS DMM and Tectronics 465 dual trace >> scope. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: >> 1-801-581-5257 >> University of Utah FAX: >> 1-801-581-4148 >> Department of Mathematics Email: >> gabrenas at math.utah.edu >> 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: >> http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >> Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: >> 105 LCB >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________ >Have a burning question? >Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From nikonboyfm at yahoo.ca Mon Dec 11 01:52:27 2006 From: nikonboyfm at yahoo.ca (Mr. R.) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:52:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <964511.12850.qm@web54206.mail.yahoo.com> I need a faceplate for a Nak TD-45z auto deck as mine was smashed. Anyone know of a source? Thanks. --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail --------------------------------- Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Mon Dec 11 02:12:52 2006 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:12:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project Message-ID: Hello, I have a Nak Dragon that I would like to purchase a remote for, so, if this project goes full circle, count me in. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 03:13:51 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:13:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote for RX-202 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061211021351.70534.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, Well I had a little extra time and updated the code for the remote receiver and started the RX-202 remote retrofit. I got the connector mounted and wired in and tested five functions, flip, play, stop, FF and rew. I still have to figure out pause and Record, which are a lot more complicated. Here are a few pictures. http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-202_a.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-202_b.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-202_c.jpg --- Steve Ember wrote: --------------------------------- Hi Scott, Thanks for the RX-202 remote heads-up. I'll look forward to learning how it works out on your unit. Steve --------------------------------- From: Scott Johnson Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote Control Project Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:15:05 -0800 (PST) >Steve, > >I've been looking over the schematic for the RX-202 and I an pretty >sure I have a solution for making it remote capable. It's not an >easy mod though (adding a remote plug to the back panel and adding >wires to hard to get to boards.) I have two RX-202's and will try >doing it on one of them. > >SJ >--- Steve Ember wrote: > > >--------------------------------- > >Hello All, > >Just wondering I had missed any posts regarding any progress on the >remote control project for our Nak decks. > >If anyone is keeping track of candidates, my vote is for IR RC for >the RX-505. What would be super-neat would be an affair such as Sony >had for their high-end VCR's, where up to 3 machines could be >assigned codes (i.e., Deck 1, 2, 3) and a slide switch on the >hand-held remote control would determine which deck would respond to >the commands. What a convenience if one has, say, three Naks in the >same rack. > >Another vote would be for some means of adding IR RC to the RX-202. > >All best for the Holiday Season and don't forget to fill a stocking >with premium cassettes to feed our babies... > >Steve > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks >by style, age, and price. Try it! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! 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Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Mon Dec 11 05:27:53 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:27:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Remote for RX-202 In-Reply-To: <20061211021351.70534.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061211021351.70534.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you Scott, for taking such pains on our cute little RX303.A 303 with remote would be a dream come true. I am most appreciative of your great effort. On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:13:51 -0600, Scott Johnson wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Well I had a little extra time and updated the code for the remote > receiver and started the RX-202 remote retrofit. > > I got the connector mounted and wired in and tested five functions, > flip, play, stop, FF and rew. I still have to figure out pause and > Record, which are a lot more complicated. > > Here are a few pictures. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-202_a.jpg > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-202_b.jpg > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-202_c.jpg > > --- Steve Ember wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > > Hi Scott, > > > > Thanks for the RX-202 remote heads-up. I'll look forward to learning > how it works out on your unit. > > Steve > > --------------------------------- > From: Scott Johnson > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote Control Project > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:15:05 -0800 (PST) >> Steve, >> >> I've been looking over the schematic for the RX-202 and I an pretty >> sure I have a solution for making it remote capable. It's not an >> easy mod though (adding a remote plug to the back panel and adding >> wires to hard to get to boards.) I have two RX-202's and will try >> doing it on one of them. >> >> SJ >> --- Steve Ember wrote: >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> Hello All, >> >> Just wondering I had missed any posts regarding any progress on the >> remote control project for our Nak decks. >> >> If anyone is keeping track of candidates, my vote is for IR RC for >> the RX-505. What would be super-neat would be an affair such as Sony >> had for their high-end VCR's, where up to 3 machines could be >> assigned codes (i.e., Deck 1, 2, 3) and a slide switch on the >> hand-held remote control would determine which deck would respond to >> the commands. What a convenience if one has, say, three Naks in the >> same rack. >> >> Another vote would be for some means of adding IR RC to the RX-202. >> >> All best for the Holiday Season and don't forget to fill a stocking >> with premium cassettes to feed our babies... >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks >> by style, age, and price. Try it! > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Yahoo! Music Unlimited >> Access over 1 million songs. >> http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 14:03:15 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:03:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project Message-ID: <20061211130315.38673.qmail@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Richard, The remote complies with the Dragon, so I little problem. I am calculating the cost of doing this unit. If the response is good, I can make more pcbs, hence lowering the costs. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh 79Labs ----- Original Message ---- From: RICHARD FIne To: naktalk Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:12:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project Hello, I have a Nak Dragon that I would like to purchase a remote for, so, if this project goes full circle, count me in. Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 22:49:15 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:49:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote for RX-202 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <468931.55309.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I finished my RX-202s remote conversion last night. It's now wireless remote capable. Standard functions (play, stop, pause, record, F.F and rew) as well as Reverse (or flip) are supported. I put in a standard 8-pin DIN connector so it will work with my remote receiver or the Nakamichi RM-15 wired remote. SJ --- jerryjg wrote: > Thank you Scott, for taking such pains on our cute little RX303.A > 303 > with remote would be a dream come true. I am most appreciative of > your > great effort. On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:13:51 -0600, > Scott > Johnson wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > > > > Well I had a little extra time and updated the code for the > remote > > receiver and started the RX-202 remote retrofit. > > > > I got the connector mounted and wired in and tested five > functions, > > flip, play, stop, FF and rew. I still have to figure out pause > and > > Record, which are a lot more complicated. > > > > Here are a few pictures. > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-202_a.jpg > > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-202_b.jpg > > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-202_c.jpg > > > > --- Steve Ember wrote: > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Hi Scott, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the RX-202 remote heads-up. I'll look forward to > learning > > how it works out on your unit. > > > > Steve > > > > --------------------------------- > > From: Scott Johnson > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote Control Project > > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:15:05 -0800 (PST) > >> Steve, > >> > >> I've been looking over the schematic for the RX-202 and I an > pretty > >> sure I have a solution for making it remote capable. It's not an > >> easy mod though (adding a remote plug to the back panel and > adding > >> wires to hard to get to boards.) I have two RX-202's and will > try > >> doing it on one of them. > >> > >> SJ > >> --- Steve Ember wrote: > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------- > >> > >> Hello All, > >> > >> Just wondering I had missed any posts regarding any progress on > the > >> remote control project for our Nak decks. > >> > >> If anyone is keeping track of candidates, my vote is for IR RC > for > >> the RX-505. What would be super-neat would be an affair such as > Sony > >> had for their high-end VCR's, where up to 3 machines could be > >> assigned codes (i.e., Deck 1, 2, 3) and a slide switch on the > >> hand-held remote control would determine which deck would > respond to > >> the commands. What a convenience if one has, say, three Naks in > the > >> same rack. > >> > >> Another vote would be for some means of adding IR RC to the > RX-202. > >> > >> All best for the Holiday Season and don't forget to fill a > stocking > >> with premium cassettes to feed our babies... > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------- > >> MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert > picks > >> by style, age, and price. Try it! > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > Maintain your account here: > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > >> Yahoo! Music Unlimited > >> Access over 1 million songs. > >> http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join > now. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > -- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 22:54:15 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:54:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in built-in tones vs. playback tones In-Reply-To: <457BC37B.3040301@peromarta.org> References: <6bddc1110612100004l2f9d3ae9yd67de739507cd612@mail.gmail.com> <457BC37B.3040301@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612111354n42aeb95dnb9a1bcb0f7fb142a@mail.gmail.com> This was done immediately following calibration of both of those for this tape, which was fresh out of the package. I can understand if it were a dropoff of needle meter accuracy when displaying lower values, but even then a difference of 10 dB would seem extravagant ... -Tim On 12/10/06, Luis Peromarta wrote: > > You probably need to recalibrate bias and / or level for the tape. What > you need to care of is meter display is the same when you switch from > source to monitor. If it is around -20dB, little higher or lower is no > big deal, as long as they read the same. > > Best rgds, LP. > > Tim Skorick escribió: > > I have a 582 (among other Naks), which has two built-in test tones, 400 > > Hz and 15 kHz. According to the manual, switching on the 15 kHz > > oscillator increases the meter sensitivity by 20 dB, so you set the > > record levels on calibration to 0 dB but they're really -20 dB. > > > > The problem is that, when I play back the recorded tones from the tape > > (Maxell XLII-S, for which the SX setting on my 582 is calibrated), the > > levels are around -30 dB. Is this something worth worrying about? I'm > > setting the monitor to tape and not source, one would think that the > > levels would be the same ... > > > > -Tim > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 12 01:07:32 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:07:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote for RX-202 Message-ID: <20061212000733.16659.qmail@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Great job Scott! So it has the standard pin-outs as per other remote sockets? Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Johnson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:49:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote for RX-202 I finished my RX-202s remote conversion last night. It's now wireless remote capable. Standard functions (play, stop, pause, record, F.F and rew) as well as Reverse (or flip) are supported. I put in a standard 8-pin DIN connector so it will work with my remote receiver or the Nakamichi RM-15 wired remote. SJ --- jerryjg wrote: > Thank you Scott, for taking such pains on our cute little RX303.A > 303 > with remote would be a dream come true. I am most appreciative of > your > great effort. On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:13:51 -0600, > Scott > Johnson wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > > > > Well I had a little extra time and updated the code for the > remote > > receiver and started the RX-202 remote retrofit. > > > > I got the connector mounted and wired in and tested five > functions, > > flip, play, stop, FF and rew. I still have to figure out pause > and > > Record, which are a lot more complicated. > > > > Here are a few pictures. > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-202_a.jpg > > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-202_b.jpg > > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-202_c.jpg > > > > --- Steve Ember wrote: > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Hi Scott, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the RX-202 remote heads-up. I'll look forward to > learning > > how it works out on your unit. > > > > Steve > > > > --------------------------------- > > From: Scott Johnson > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote Control Project > > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:15:05 -0800 (PST) > >> Steve, > >> > >> I've been looking over the schematic for the RX-202 and I an > pretty > >> sure I have a solution for making it remote capable. It's not an > >> easy mod though (adding a remote plug to the back panel and > adding > >> wires to hard to get to boards.) I have two RX-202's and will > try > >> doing it on one of them. > >> > >> SJ > >> --- Steve Ember wrote: > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------- > >> > >> Hello All, > >> > >> Just wondering I had missed any posts regarding any progress on > the > >> remote control project for our Nak decks. > >> > >> If anyone is keeping track of candidates, my vote is for IR RC > for > >> the RX-505. What would be super-neat would be an affair such as > Sony > >> had for their high-end VCR's, where up to 3 machines could be > >> assigned codes (i.e., Deck 1, 2, 3) and a slide switch on the > >> hand-held remote control would determine which deck would > respond to > >> the commands. What a convenience if one has, say, three Naks in > the > >> same rack. > >> > >> Another vote would be for some means of adding IR RC to the > RX-202. > >> > >> All best for the Holiday Season and don't forget to fill a > stocking > >> with premium cassettes to feed our babies... > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------- > >> MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert > picks > >> by style, age, and price. Try it! > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > Maintain your account here: > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > >> Yahoo! Music Unlimited > >> Access over 1 million songs. > >> http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join > now. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > -- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Dec 12 03:47:38 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:47:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control In-Reply-To: <20061212000733.16659.qmail@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott and Bala, Count me in for any wireless remote compatible with the RX-505 and BX300. Thanks. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live� Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb From DM2 at marctronixx.com Tue Dec 12 05:34:09 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:34:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <20061211130315.38673.qmail@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ive had email issues over the last week and have missed a lot of convo on this subject. I have a rx 505 and I was interested in a remote control for it.. seems there have been some broken ground on this front. I see someone has it working for a 202... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From znyuzo at freemail.hu Tue Dec 12 06:34:54 2006 From: znyuzo at freemail.hu (=?us-ascii?Q?Nyuzo_Zsolt_=28Freemail=29?=) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:34:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <20061211130315.38673.qmail@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bala ! Please count me and my Darling in also ! (Just to make it clear I was talking about my Dragon, not somebody else !) ;) Zsolt Nyuzo Hungary -----Eredeti uzenet----- Felado: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Kuldve: 2006. december 11. 14:03 Cimzett: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Targy: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project Hi Richard, The remote complies with the Dragon, so I little problem. I am calculating the cost of doing this unit. If the response is good, I can make more pcbs, hence lowering the costs. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh 79Labs ----- Original Message ---- From: RICHARD FIne To: naktalk Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:12:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project Hello, I have a Nak Dragon that I would like to purchase a remote for, so, if this project goes full circle, count me in. Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Dec 12 07:53:07 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:53:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in built-in tones vs. playback tones In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110612111354n42aeb95dnb9a1bcb0f7fb142a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110612100004l2f9d3ae9yd67de739507cd612@mail.gmail.com> <457BC37B.3040301@peromarta.org> <6bddc1110612111354n42aeb95dnb9a1bcb0f7fb142a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457E51D3.10407@peromarta.org> Tim, the readings must be the same. If they are not, you need to re-caibrate level + bias for the tape, and repeat as neccesary, as both adjustments are complementary. Best rgds, LP. Tim Skorick escribió: > This was done immediately following calibration of both of those for > this tape, which was fresh out of the package. I can understand if it > were a dropoff of needle meter accuracy when displaying lower values, > but even then a difference of 10 dB would seem extravagant ... > > -Tim > > On 12/10/06, *Luis Peromarta* > wrote: > > You probably need to recalibrate bias and / or level for the tape. What > you need to care of is meter display is the same when you switch from > source to monitor. If it is around -20dB, little higher or lower is no > big deal, as long as they read the same. > > Best rgds, LP. > > Tim Skorick escribió: > > I have a 582 (among other Naks), which has two built-in test > tones, 400 > > Hz and 15 kHz. According to the manual, switching on the 15 kHz > > oscillator increases the meter sensitivity by 20 dB, so you set the > > record levels on calibration to 0 dB but they're really -20 dB. > > > > The problem is that, when I play back the recorded tones from the > tape > > (Maxell XLII-S, for which the SX setting on my 582 is > calibrated), the > > levels are around -30 dB. Is this something worth worrying > about? I'm > > setting the monitor to tape and not source, one would think that the > > levels would be the same ... > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Dec 12 17:51:12 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:21:12 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Remote Control Message-ID: <008101c71e0d$bcc936e0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Dont penalize me if you dont agree with me .. but err .. isnt the thought of an IR remote control contrary to the 70s -80s lifestyle ? I mean back then people werent couch potatoes like today ... :D From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Dec 12 18:16:31 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:16:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Remote Control In-Reply-To: <008101c71e0d$bcc936e0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <008101c71e0d$bcc936e0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <457EE3EF.70103@rcn.com> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Dont penalize me if you dont agree with me .. but err .. isnt the thought of > an IR remote control contrary to the 70s -80s lifestyle ? I mean back then > people werent couch potatoes like today ... :D > Many of us do not use our sound systems -- vintage equipment included -- to nostalgically worship the past, but simply to listen to music. Anything that makes this more enjoyable is welcome. -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 13 00:54:15 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:54:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak pictures...any special method? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061212175415.0084c630@earthlink.net> I encountered an unusual problem with Ron's BX300 eBaby, and we've got a photo to post so other NakTalkers can avoid blundering into a huge repair nightmare. I guess I can't post photos as attachments. Is there someone that could host the photo and my comments with a link? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 13 01:45:11 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:45:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak pictures...any special method? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061212175415.0084c630@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <261250.58699.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, If you can't find someone to host the pic, I'd like you to send it to me directly since I have two MR1's which are the same difference??? Thanks, Bob Hi Tech wrote: I encountered an unusual problem with Ron's BX300 eBaby, and we've got a photo to post so other NakTalkers can avoid blundering into a huge repair nightmare. I guess I can't post photos as attachments. Is there someone that could host the photo and my comments with a link? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Dec 13 08:09:20 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:09:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak pictures...any special method? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061212175415.0084c630@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061212175415.0084c630@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <457FA720.1030807@peromarta.org> I can host the pics for you. Send them over with some text too. Best rgds, LP. Hi Tech escribió: > I encountered an unusual problem with Ron's BX300 eBaby, and we've got a > photo to post so other NakTalkers can avoid blundering into a huge repair > nightmare. I guess I can't post photos as attachments. Is there someone > that could host the photo and my comments with a link? > > tom brucker > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hsvanbeek at planet.nl Wed Dec 13 10:10:23 2006 From: hsvanbeek at planet.nl (Henk van Beek) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:10:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording Message-ID: <001101c71e96$859ee820$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Hi David, You don't need to demagnetise a CR-series cassettedeck. The heads don't get magnetised. 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Regards, -- Ron From flifton at mac.com Wed Dec 13 18:35:37 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:35:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 46, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <200612131100.kBDB04fx024337@zxe.naks.com> References: <200612131100.kBDB04fx024337@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hmmm, I'm not sure that I'd count snorting lots of coke and disco dancing as a vigorous workout regimen. ;-) On the other hand, I'm much fatter now than I was then, so maybe you have something there, Soumi. Nonetheless, I want a wireless remote for ZX-7 and my CR3a so I can start a recording without having to disturb my mic set-up and levels during recording sessions. Wireless because there are enough dang cables all over the floor. Bala, are you thinking of offering a kit version? I'd like to write the instructions... cheers, Fred On Dec 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: soumitra at soumitrab.com > Date: December 12, 2006 8:51:12 AM PST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Remote Control > Reply-To: soumitra at soumitrab.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > > > Dont penalize me if you dont agree with me .. but err .. isnt the > thought of > an IR remote control contrary to the 70s -80s lifestyle ? I mean > back then > people werent couch potatoes like today ... :D -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 14 01:08:30 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:08:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 46, Issue 25 Message-ID: <20061214000830.67969.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Fred, The unit is made up of SMD components, and I am not too if we have anyone confident of putting it together. I really do not mind doing a kit as the custom PCB makes things easy. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:35:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 46, Issue 25 Hmmm, I'm not sure that I'd count snorting lots of coke and disco dancing as a vigorous workout regimen. ;-) On the other hand, I'm much fatter now than I was then, so maybe you have something there, Soumi. Nonetheless, I want a wireless remote for ZX-7 and my CR3a so I can start a recording without having to disturb my mic set-up and levels during recording sessions. Wireless because there are enough dang cables all over the floor. Bala, are you thinking of offering a kit version? I'd like to write the instructions... cheers, Fred On Dec 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: soumitra at soumitrab.com Date: December 12, 2006 8:51:12 AM PST To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Remote Control Reply-To: soumitra at soumitrab.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Dont penalize me if you dont agree with me .. but err .. isnt the thought of an IR remote control contrary to the 70s -80s lifestyle ? 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Dec 14 15:39:40 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:39:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 46, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <20061214000830.67969.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061214000830.67969.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4581622C.5060107@rcn.com> SMDs are not difficult to install manually, provided one has a correct soldering iron (controlled temperature, with 1/64" tip) a steady hand and a proper technique. For those that do not trust themselves with delicate work, an approach used in some kits supplies the PCB with all SMDs already installed. The builder only has to put in through-hole components. I bought a PIC programmer kit that came like that. Was a piece of cake to build. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Fred, > > The unit is made up of SMD components, and I am not too if we > have anyone confident of putting it together. I really do not mind doing > a kit as the custom PCB makes things easy. > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Fred Lifton > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:35:37 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 46, Issue 25 > > Hmmm, I'm not sure that I'd count snorting lots of coke and disco > dancing as a vigorous workout regimen. ;-) On the other hand, I'm much > fatter now than I was then, so maybe you have something there, Soumi. > > Nonetheless, I want a wireless remote for ZX-7 and my CR3a so I can > start a recording without having to disturb my mic set-up and levels > during recording sessions. Wireless because there are enough dang cables > all over the floor. > > Bala, are you thinking of offering a kit version? I'd like to write the > instructions... > > cheers, > Fred > > On Dec 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> *From: *soumitra at soumitrab.com >> >> *Date: *December 12, 2006 8:51:12 AM PST >> >> *To: *naktalk at naks.com >> >> *Subject: **[naktalk] Re: Remote Control* >> >> *Reply-To: *soumitra at soumitrab.com , >> Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> >> >> >> Dont penalize me if you dont agree with me .. but err .. isnt the >> thought of >> >> an IR remote control contrary to the 70s -80s lifestyle ? I mean back then >> >> people werent couch potatoes like today ... :D >> > From paulcar at caribsurf.com Thu Dec 14 18:01:04 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:01:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SMDs Message-ID: <45818350.5040807@caribsurf.com> Ron, I hve to complete a kit which uses 0805 SMDs and I was looking for a suitable small soldering iron but 1/64" tip??? If the actual tip is 1/64" what is it tapered from, 1/8" Where can I get a suitable iron? Paul From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 14 19:47:59 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:47:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] SMDs In-Reply-To: <45818350.5040807@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <794698.31574.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not Ron, but, I'm going to chime in anyway. I find that the best soldering iron for surface mount are the Metcal irons, of which I have two. They have several tips with 1/64" (0.016") diameter. These tips are great for soldering fine pitch TSOPs and TQFPs as well as packages down to 0402 (which is really fun half the width and length of 0805's). For 0805 and larger 0.04" diameter tips works fine. See their line of tips here. http://www.okinternational.com/product_soldering/mx500sttc BTW - for surface mount components 0805 and smaller I use an Olympus stereo zoom microscope. Also, you know why I have two soldering irons? Because I have two hands, no really, with some components it's easier to heat both sides simultaneously to remove or reposition them. A GOOD pair of tweezers is also a must have. SJ --- Paul Carrington wrote: > Ron, > I hve to complete a kit which uses 0805 SMDs and I was looking for > a > suitable small soldering iron but 1/64" tip??? > > If the actual tip is 1/64" what is it tapered from, 1/8" Where can > I > get a suitable iron? > Paul > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 15 03:02:27 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:02:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] SMDs and Nak remote controllers Message-ID: <20061215020227.47974.qmail@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am using the WES51 Weller station and it works alright too. Judging from the confidence from you guys, I think I'd make both the fully assembled and kit versions for all you wonderful people out there... The remote controller can be anything from an IRDA compliant PDA, laptop or PC with a IR port. I would releasethe command codes so that any programming savvy person can do an app for the different platforms. This is my attempt to make the Nakamichi decks more convergent. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Johnson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:47:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SMDs I'm not Ron, but, I'm going to chime in anyway. I find that the best soldering iron for surface mount are the Metcal irons, of which I have two. They have several tips with 1/64" (0.016") diameter. These tips are great for soldering fine pitch TSOPs and TQFPs as well as packages down to 0402 (which is really fun half the width and length of 0805's). For 0805 and larger 0.04" diameter tips works fine. See their line of tips here. http://www.okinternational.com/product_soldering/mx500sttc BTW - for surface mount components 0805 and smaller I use an Olympus stereo zoom microscope. Also, you know why I have two soldering irons? Because I have two hands, no really, with some components it's easier to heat both sides simultaneously to remove or reposition them. A GOOD pair of tweezers is also a must have. SJ --- Paul Carrington wrote: > Ron, > I hve to complete a kit which uses 0805 SMDs and I was looking for > a > suitable small soldering iron but 1/64" tip??? > > If the actual tip is 1/64" what is it tapered from, 1/8" Where can > I > get a suitable iron? > Paul > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Sorry to go off subject but have received a Akai GX-625 reel to reel machine damaged in the post. The reel retainers and supporting pins are bent. I can straighten the pins the plastic retainers are beyond repair. I can find no one to supply Akai R-R spares. Any ideas please? I am happy to buy reel tables from any of the GX 6-- series range if anyone has spares. Failing that, am thinking of making a 2 piece silicon mold and cast replacements in acrylic. Any demand for this? Thanks. John Chapman (ZX7 and BX300) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Dec 15 14:48:41 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:48:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Akai R-R-Reel Retainers In-Reply-To: <009b01c7203e$932539a0$8d749ed9@f9w2m0> References: <009b01c7203e$932539a0$8d749ed9@f9w2m0> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:45:52 -0000, "John Chapman" wrote: >Hi. Sorry to go off subject but have received a Akai GX-625 reel to reel machine damaged in the post. The reel retainers and supporting pins are bent. I can straighten the pins the plastic retainers are beyond repair. I can find no one to supply Akai R-R spares. Any ideas please? I am happy to buy reel tables from any of the GX 6-- series range if anyone has spares. > >Failing that, am thinking of making a 2 piece silicon mold and cast replacements in acrylic. Any demand for this? > >Thanks. John Chapman (ZX7 and BX300) Try Steven L Bender "Steven Bender" He is in the US. He is well versed in all things Akai, and helped me out recently with hinge locks for the Akai GX-77. Although he is pricey his stuff is good and it beats waiting for a parts unit to show up nearby/eBay/whereever, and if you are relying on another deck with parts to use to be shipped you may have that deck trashed before it gets to you. Buying parts you get what you need cheaper than a whole deck with cheaper shipping and with greater chance that parts will be ok when they arrive. Also you do not want people who do not usually take apart reel decks or even use them to take a reel deck apart for any reason, because you might wind up with a part that is damaged either because it was no good to start with or they did not know which parts belong to it, or they broke it getting it out. I am pretty sure the reel retainers were used across several models but check with Steven for matching models to look for as you might already have a match locally, or simply buy a set from him. -Mikkel From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 15 15:18:34 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:18:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SMDs In-Reply-To: <45818350.5040807@caribsurf.com> References: <45818350.5040807@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <4582AEBA.9010309@rcn.com> Paul Carrington wrote: > Ron, > I hve to complete a kit which uses 0805 SMDs and I was looking for a > suitable small soldering iron but 1/64" tip??? > > If the actual tip is 1/64" what is it tapered from, 1/8" Where can I > get a suitable iron? > Paul I use a Weller WES51 temperature controlled soldering station. Set me back about 80 buck on sale. Came with a 1/16" tip, but you can but a 1/64" tip, as well as many other sizes and shapes. For SMD, set to 650 degrees F and use the thinnest solder you can find (I use 0.015" 63/37 solder). Apply a small amount of solder to one side on the PCB; place the component; tack that side; solder the other side; go back and solder the first side -- you're done. I recently built over 100 modules (mixed through hole and SMD). Once I got the technique down, it was a piece of cake. Good luck, -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 15 15:24:03 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:24:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SMDs In-Reply-To: <794698.31574.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <794698.31574.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4582B003.7090805@rcn.com> Scott, I am relieved that you are not Ron :-)... I use a simple bench magnifying glass (the king with a circular fluorescent attached). I expect that a stereo microscope is far better. Where can I buy such a beast? -- Ron Scott Johnson wrote: > I'm not Ron, but, I'm going to chime in anyway. > > I find that the best soldering iron for surface mount are the Metcal > irons, of which I have two. They have several tips with 1/64" > (0.016") diameter. These tips are great for soldering fine pitch > TSOPs and TQFPs as well as packages down to 0402 (which is really fun > half the width and length of 0805's). For 0805 and larger 0.04" > diameter tips works fine. See their line of tips here. > http://www.okinternational.com/product_soldering/mx500sttc > > BTW - for surface mount components 0805 and smaller I use an Olympus > stereo zoom microscope. Also, you know why I have two soldering > irons? Because I have two hands, no really, with some components > it's easier to heat both sides simultaneously to remove or reposition > them. A GOOD pair of tweezers is also a must have. > > SJ > > --- Paul Carrington wrote: > >> Ron, >> I hve to complete a kit which uses 0805 SMDs and I was looking for >> a >> suitable small soldering iron but 1/64" tip??? >> >> If the actual tip is 1/64" what is it tapered from, 1/8" Where can >> I >> get a suitable iron? >> Paul From soumitra at soumitrab.com Fri Dec 15 18:16:10 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:46:10 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Erasure References: <200612151100.kBFB0ctp024009@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <005001c7206c$b86d8310$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hello All Is there a way to blank an entire tape without putting it thru the erase head of the Nak ? Im wondering if a Demag demags a head n tape path etc, by the same principle it should demag the tape too ? Any pointers appreciated. Best Soumi From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 18:21:19 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:21:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Erasure In-Reply-To: <005001c7206c$b86d8310$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200612151100.kBFB0ctp024009@zxe.naks.com> <005001c7206c$b86d8310$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612150921q166b64a3t2e4e83926d574a59@mail.gmail.com> A good non-commercial tape degausser should work, but I don't really have any pointers on where to shop for one. -Tim On 12/15/06, soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > > Hello All > Is there a way to blank an entire tape without putting it thru the erase > head of the Nak ? > Im wondering if a Demag demags a head n tape path etc, by the same > principle > it should demag the tape too ? > Any pointers appreciated. > > Best > Soumi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 15 19:12:58 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:12:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape Erasure In-Reply-To: <005001c7206c$b86d8310$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <264093.42387.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You need a "bulk tape eraser" or "bulk eraser". They are expensive however. New ones range from about $100 to thousands (I saw one for $12,000). http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/tahede.html Most can not erase Type IV (metal) tapes completely, but, work fine with Type I and Type II. Check eBay for some reasonably priced used ones. Here's a Radio Shack model on ebay, item # 290060985515. SJ --- soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello All > Is there a way to blank an entire tape without putting it thru the > erase > head of the Nak ? > Im wondering if a Demag demags a head n tape path etc, by the same > principle > it should demag the tape too ? > Any pointers appreciated. > > Best > Soumi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From paulcar at caribsurf.com Fri Dec 15 20:03:15 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:03:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Soldering Station Message-ID: <4582F173.3060005@caribsurf.com> Thanks Ron and Scott. I have a number of soldering irons of varying wattage/size but they are all of the ilk of Radioshack types. I had a look at the info on the type quoted by Scott and it seems that it will be of the order of US$300 or more! That is more than the kit is worth! I would be better off buying the UcD400 which will give me the same power but is a readybuilt module. These kits are class D or T whichever you wish to call them At my 79 years, SMD is a challenge so I do not expect to make a habit of it! I have to use magnifying goggles these days although I still have the desk magnifying lamp....... Ron's Weller WES51 is more reasonably priced at about half of that, on Amazon the users gave it 3 stars but there was a chinese Xytronic 379 for $50 which does the same thing, rated 5 stars, and the general commentary was that the quality was very good and the only difference to the Weller was the name which you pay the extra for! I called around locally (Barbados) and can get a Zhongdi ZD919 for the equivalent of US$80 and that seems to offer about the same as the above..... it is Electronic Temperature Controlled Soldering Station Temperature:150-450 Soldering Iron:24Volt-48W Safely guard iron holder Replaceable Tips I looked at the makers website and they have some very fancy ones as well - no idea of the price though! Regards Paul From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 15 20:31:31 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:31:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Soldering Station In-Reply-To: <4582F173.3060005@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <598503.84731.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, If you are having problems with soldering SMDs, send the kits to me I will assemble them for you at no charge, I have a Pace PRC-2000 microsoldering work station, and dont mind doing it at all! rgds Khan Paul Carrington wrote: Thanks Ron and Scott. I have a number of soldering irons of varying wattage/size but they are all of the ilk of Radioshack types. I had a look at the info on the type quoted by Scott and it seems that it will be of the order of US$300 or more! That is more than the kit is worth! I would be better off buying the UcD400 which will give me the same power but is a readybuilt module. These kits are class D or T whichever you wish to call them At my 79 years, SMD is a challenge so I do not expect to make a habit of it! I have to use magnifying goggles these days although I still have the desk magnifying lamp....... Ron's Weller WES51 is more reasonably priced at about half of that, on Amazon the users gave it 3 stars but there was a chinese Xytronic 379 for $50 which does the same thing, rated 5 stars, and the general commentary was that the quality was very good and the only difference to the Weller was the name which you pay the extra for! I called around locally (Barbados) and can get a Zhongdi ZD919 for the equivalent of US$80 and that seems to offer about the same as the above..... it is Electronic Temperature Controlled Soldering Station Temperature:150-450 Soldering Iron:24Volt-48W Safely guard iron holder Replaceable Tips I looked at the makers website and they have some very fancy ones as well - no idea of the price though! Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 15 21:34:17 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:34:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Soldering Station Message-ID: <20061215203417.16926.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, Having around the bush with irons and irons, I finally settled on the WES51. My most favourite was the Weller WTCPT, but it was more costly. I do believe that the Weller also has more reliability. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Carrington To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:03:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] Soldering Station Thanks Ron and Scott. I have a number of soldering irons of varying wattage/size but they are all of the ilk of Radioshack types. I had a look at the info on the type quoted by Scott and it seems that it will be of the order of US$300 or more! That is more than the kit is worth! I would be better off buying the UcD400 which will give me the same power but is a readybuilt module. These kits are class D or T whichever you wish to call them At my 79 years, SMD is a challenge so I do not expect to make a habit of it! I have to use magnifying goggles these days although I still have the desk magnifying lamp....... Ron's Weller WES51 is more reasonably priced at about half of that, on Amazon the users gave it 3 stars but there was a chinese Xytronic 379 for $50 which does the same thing, rated 5 stars, and the general commentary was that the quality was very good and the only difference to the Weller was the name which you pay the extra for! I called around locally (Barbados) and can get a Zhongdi ZD919 for the equivalent of US$80 and that seems to offer about the same as the above..... it is Electronic Temperature Controlled Soldering Station Temperature:150-450 Soldering Iron:24Volt-48W Safely guard iron holder Replaceable Tips I looked at the makers website and they have some very fancy ones as well - no idea of the price though! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 15 21:36:03 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:36:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Soldering Station Message-ID: <20061215203603.35277.qmail@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The fact that many Nakkers are either greying, or simply want to plug in the module and enjoy their decks had made me want to offer the fully built version. But the kit version will also be on offer for those who want to give their 'stations some work to do :) Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:31:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Soldering Station Hi, If you are having problems with soldering SMDs, send the kits to me I will assemble them for you at no charge, I have a Pace PRC-2000 microsoldering work station, and dont mind doing it at all! rgds Khan Paul Carrington wrote: Thanks Ron and Scott. I have a number of soldering irons of varying wattage/size but they are all of the ilk of Radioshack types. I had a look at the info on the type quoted by Scott and it seems that it will be of the order of US$300 or more! That is more than the kit is worth! I would be better off buying the UcD400 which will give me the same power but is a readybuilt module. These kits are class D or T whichever you wish to call them At my 79 years, SMD is a challenge so I do not expect to make a habit of it! I have to use magnifying goggles these days although I still have the desk magnifying lamp....... Ron's Weller WES51 is more reasonably priced at about half of that, on Amazon the users gave it 3 stars but there was a chinese Xytronic 379 for $50 which does the same thing, rated 5 stars, and the general commentary was that the quality was very good and the only difference to the Weller was the name which you pay the extra for! I called around locally (Barbados) and can get a Zhongdi ZD919 for the equivalent of US$80 and that seems to offer about the same as the above..... it is Electronic Temperature Controlled Soldering Station Temperature:150-450 Soldering Iron:24Volt-48W Safely guard iron holder Replaceable Tips I looked at the makers website and they have some very fancy ones as well - no idea of the price though! Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 15 21:41:28 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:41:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Soldering Station In-Reply-To: <4582F173.3060005@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <20061215204128.35533.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah, the Metcals are EXPENSIVE, but, they are soooo nice. I used to be a Weller man, but, when I started working at PairGain they had nothing but Metcals and every job since then (Raytheon and Broadcon) have had Metcals. When I used it the first time I was instantly hooked. They heat up really fast, have really quick thermal response and a lot of power when it's needed. The heater on the metcals is totally different from anything used before. It uses RF energy (13 MHz) which gets absorbed by the tip when it's temperature is below a certain point (the curie point). When it reaches temperature it stops absorbing energy. The heating element can be made very close to the tip and this allows for the fast thermal response. The power supply can supply, I think, up to 50 watts, this gives it quick heat up and enough power to work on multilayer boards with ground planes and even solder pennies together (a very difficult task with any other iron). For repairing Nak or building my remote receivers< i would agree, it's totally overkill. I did't pay regular price however. I got one power supply from a swap meet not working for $5, which was easily repair, the handle was the most expensive part at about $60. The tips are like $30 each, but, again I get them for cheap at the swap meet, mostly used, but, occasionally I can find new ones mixed in. SJ --- Paul Carrington wrote: > Thanks Ron and Scott. > I have a number of soldering irons of varying wattage/size but they > are > all of the ilk of Radioshack types. > I had a look at the info on the type quoted by Scott and it seems > that > it will be of the order of US$300 or more! > That is more than the kit is worth! I would be better off buying > the > UcD400 which will give me the same > power but is a readybuilt module. These kits are class D or T > whichever you wish to call them > At my 79 years, SMD is a challenge so I do not expect to make a > habit of > it! I have to use magnifying > goggles these days although I still have the desk magnifying > lamp....... > > Ron's Weller WES51 is more reasonably priced at about half of that, > on > Amazon the users gave it 3 stars but > there was a chinese Xytronic 379 for $50 which does the same thing, > > rated 5 stars, and the general commentary > was that the quality was very good and the only difference to the > Weller > was the name which you pay the extra > for! > > I called around locally (Barbados) and can get a Zhongdi ZD919 for > the > equivalent of US$80 and that seems to > offer about the same as the above..... it is > Electronic Temperature Controlled Soldering Station > Temperature:150-450 > Soldering Iron:24Volt-48W > Safely guard iron holder > Replaceable Tips > > I looked at the makers website and they have some very fancy ones > as > well - no idea of the price though! > > Regards > Paul > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From chasw at tampabay.rr.com Fri Dec 15 21:51:21 2006 From: chasw at tampabay.rr.com (Charles Wilson) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:51:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Equalization Message-ID: <000801c7208a$c733e0b0$64c8a8c0@wilson1> What is the sound effect, on playback, of recording a metal tape at 120 instead of 70? Charles From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Dec 15 22:04:30 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:04:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Remote Control In-Reply-To: <457EE3EF.70103@rcn.com> References: <008101c71e0d$bcc936e0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> <457EE3EF.70103@rcn.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:16:31 -0500, Ron wrote: >soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >> Dont penalize me if you dont agree with me .. but err .. isnt the thought of >> an IR remote control contrary to the 70s -80s lifestyle ? I mean back then >> people werent couch potatoes like today ... :D >> > >Many of us do not use our sound systems -- vintage equipment >included -- to nostalgically worship the past, but simply to >listen to music. Anything that makes this more enjoyable is >welcome. Right.......... About that wish list. I'd like to build in a coffee machine, a soda can dispenser, a cooler for the cans, an automated cassette tape library robot that changes the cassettes and a built in tv and computer and keyboard. This way I can come home from work and just sit in one chair until I go to sleep. Oh, and if I could have a toilet and bed built in too that will be just brilliant. -Mikkel ;) From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 15 22:38:51 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:38:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Erasure In-Reply-To: <005001c7206c$b86d8310$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200612151100.kBFB0ctp024009@zxe.naks.com> <005001c7206c$b86d8310$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <458315EB.3080207@rcn.com> Sure, get a bulk eraser. While at it, get one designed for video cassettes. It will do a good job on metal audio cassettes, which the small ones won't. I got mine at Rat shack years ago. It was their 'Heavy duty' eraser. Does an excellent job, just not very fast... Don't remember how much I paid, but it wasn't much. Professional bulk erasers are expensive and for us hobbyists, not necessary. -- Ron soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello All > Is there a way to blank an entire tape without putting it thru the erase > head of the Nak ? > Im wondering if a Demag demags a head n tape path etc, by the same principle > it should demag the tape too ? > Any pointers appreciated. > > Best > Soumi From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 15 22:43:37 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:43:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Soldering Station In-Reply-To: <20061215203417.16926.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061215203417.16926.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45831709.6060403@rcn.com> Interesting... I also have had a WTCPT, for years now, but it's not good for SMD work. Couldn't get correct tips for it. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Having around the bush with irons and irons, I finally settled > on the WES51. My most favourite was the Weller WTCPT, but it was more > costly. I do believe that the Weller also has more reliability. > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Carrington > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:03:15 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Soldering Station > > Thanks Ron and Scott. > I have a number of soldering irons of varying wattage/size but they are > all of the ilk of Radioshack types. > I had a look at the info on the type quoted by Scott and it seems that > it will be of the order of US$300 or more! > That is more than the kit is worth! I would be better off buying the > UcD400 which will give me the same > power but is a readybuilt module. These kits are class D or T > whichever you wish to call them > At my 79 years, SMD is a challenge so I do not expect to make a habit of > it! I have to use magnifying > goggles these days although I still have the desk magnifying lamp....... > > Ron's Weller WES51 is more reasonably priced at about half of that, on > Amazon the users gave it 3 stars but > there was a chinese Xytronic 379 for $50 which does the same thing, > rated 5 stars, and the general commentary > was that the quality was very good and the only difference to the Weller > was the name which you pay the extra > for! > > I called around locally (Barbados) and can get a Zhongdi ZD919 for the > equivalent of US$80 and that seems to > offer about the same as the above..... it is > Electronic Temperature Controlled Soldering Station > Temperature:150-450 > Soldering Iron:24Volt-48W > Safely guard iron holder > Replaceable Tips > > I looked at the makers website and they have some very fancy ones as > well - no idea of the price though! > > Regards > Paul From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Dec 15 22:46:43 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:46:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Erasure In-Reply-To: <458315EB.3080207@rcn.com> References: <200612151100.kBFB0ctp024009@zxe.naks.com> <005001c7206c$b86d8310$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> <458315EB.3080207@rcn.com> Message-ID: Can anyone give me a brief tutorial on Bulk erasing. I have one of those Radio Shack bulk erasers, but it didnt come with any 'structions. Can't seem to google any ifo. on usage. TIA On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:38:51 -0600, Ron wrote: > > Sure, get a bulk eraser. While at it, get one designed > for video cassettes. It will do a good job on metal audio > cassettes, which the small ones won't. I got mine at Rat shack > years ago. It was their 'Heavy duty' eraser. Does an excellent > job, just not very fast... Don't remember how much I paid, but > it wasn't much. Professional bulk erasers are expensive and for > us hobbyists, not necessary. > > -- Ron > > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >> Hello All >> Is there a way to blank an entire tape without putting it thru the erase >> head of the Nak ? >> Im wondering if a Demag demags a head n tape path etc, by the same >> principle >> it should demag the tape too ? >> Any pointers appreciated. >> Best >> Soumi > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 15 22:50:23 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:50:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Remote Control In-Reply-To: References: <008101c71e0d$bcc936e0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> <457EE3EF.70103@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4583189F.70608@rcn.com> Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:16:31 -0500, Ron wrote: > >> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>> Dont penalize me if you dont agree with me .. but err .. isnt the thought of >>> an IR remote control contrary to the 70s -80s lifestyle ? I mean back then >>> people werent couch potatoes like today ... :D >>> >> Many of us do not use our sound systems -- vintage equipment >> included -- to nostalgically worship the past, but simply to >> listen to music. Anything that makes this more enjoyable is >> welcome. > > Right.......... > > About that wish list. I'd like to build in a coffee machine, a soda can dispenser, a > cooler for the cans, an automated cassette tape library robot that changes the > cassettes and a built in tv and computer and keyboard. This way I can come home from > work and just sit in one chair until I go to sleep. > > Oh, and if I could have a toilet and bed built in too that will be just brilliant. You forgot the button that brings out Ann Margaret (looking 25 again), every time it's pushed. -- Ron > > -Mikkel ;) From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 15 23:23:20 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:23:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Erasure In-Reply-To: References: <200612151100.kBFB0ctp024009@zxe.naks.com> <005001c7206c$b86d8310$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> <458315EB.3080207@rcn.com> Message-ID: <45832058.90006@rcn.com> Easy... Turn it on far away from your cassette; bring it *slowly* towards the cassette and slowly hover it above and below the tape. Then, remove it *slowly* away and turn off when far away. -- Ron jerryjg wrote: > Can anyone give me a brief tutorial on Bulk erasing. I > have one of those Radio Shack bulk erasers, but it didnt come with any > 'structions. Can't seem to google any ifo. on usage. > TIA On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 > 15:38:51 -0600, Ron wrote: > >> >> Sure, get a bulk eraser. While at it, get one designed >> for video cassettes. It will do a good job on metal audio >> cassettes, which the small ones won't. I got mine at Rat shack >> years ago. It was their 'Heavy duty' eraser. Does an excellent >> job, just not very fast... Don't remember how much I paid, but >> it wasn't much. Professional bulk erasers are expensive and for >> us hobbyists, not necessary. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>> Hello All >>> Is there a way to blank an entire tape without putting it thru the erase >>> head of the Nak ? >>> Im wondering if a Demag demags a head n tape path etc, by the same >>> principle >>> it should demag the tape too ? >>> Any pointers appreciated. >>> Best >>> Soumi From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Dec 15 23:52:10 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:52:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Erasure In-Reply-To: <45832058.90006@rcn.com> References: <200612151100.kBFB0ctp024009@zxe.naks.com> <005001c7206c$b86d8310$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> <458315EB.3080207@rcn.com> <45832058.90006@rcn.com> Message-ID: OIC, i can just play like the eraser is from a distant galaxy-perhaps an alternate universe, and came in search of electromagnetic nutrition. It hovered briefly over and under the tape,while performing complex analysis,decided the tape did not meet their reqirements,slowly ascended, and left as suddenly as as it appeared. Yes, Ive been drinking, and yes, i just made a fool of myself to 700 of the worlds smartest most sophisticated people. Cheers. On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:23:20 -0600, Ron wrote: > > Easy... Turn it on far away from your cassette; bring it *slowly* > towards the cassette and slowly hover it above and below the tape. Then, > remove it *slowly* away and turn off when far away. > > -- Ron > > > > jerryjg wrote: >> Can anyone give me a brief tutorial on Bulk erasing. I >> have one of those Radio Shack bulk erasers, but it didnt come with any >> 'structions. Can't seem to google any ifo. on usage. >> TIA On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 >> 15:38:51 -0600, Ron wrote: >> >>> >>> Sure, get a bulk eraser. While at it, get one designed >>> for video cassettes. It will do a good job on metal audio >>> cassettes, which the small ones won't. I got mine at Rat shack >>> years ago. It was their 'Heavy duty' eraser. Does an excellent >>> job, just not very fast... Don't remember how much I paid, but >>> it wasn't much. Professional bulk erasers are expensive and for >>> us hobbyists, not necessary. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>>> Hello All >>>> Is there a way to blank an entire tape without putting it thru the >>>> erase >>>> head of the Nak ? >>>> Im wondering if a Demag demags a head n tape path etc, by the same >>>> principle >>>> it should demag the tape too ? >>>> Any pointers appreciated. >>>> Best >>>> Soumi > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Dec 16 04:13:02 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:13:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Erasure Message-ID: Yes Gra' that is the solution...but most bulk eraser like from my passed away daddy a Akai 50 years old...DON'T ERASE 100% TYPE 2 OR 3 OR 4 CASSETTES! leave something, but after so if I record again with my lovely Dragon unit...what "Was leaved"...it is 100% erased from the tape Peace,ALEX! > From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape Erasure> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:08:50 +0000> > Yup - use a bulk eraser.> > Gra'> > -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On> Behalf Of soumitra at soumitrab.com> Sent: 15 December 2006 17:16> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Tape Erasure> > > Hello All> Is there a way to blank an entire tape without putting it thru the erase> head of the Nak ?> Im wondering if a Demag demags a head n tape path etc, by the same principle> it should demag the tape too ?> Any pointers appreciated.> > Best> Soumi> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/trial.aspx?sc_cid=wl_wlmail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 05:11:49 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:11:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Soldering Station Message-ID: <20061216041149.61030.qmail@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> With the right tip, it works well. The only problem with it is the magnetic contact system which seems to wear out over the years and needs service. But it is a fine iron nontheless. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:43:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Soldering Station Interesting... I also have had a WTCPT, for years now, but it's not good for SMD work. Couldn't get correct tips for it. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Having around the bush with irons and irons, I finally settled > on the WES51. My most favourite was the Weller WTCPT, but it was more > costly. I do believe that the Weller also has more reliability. > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Carrington > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:03:15 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Soldering Station > > Thanks Ron and Scott. > I have a number of soldering irons of varying wattage/size but they are > all of the ilk of Radioshack types. > I had a look at the info on the type quoted by Scott and it seems that > it will be of the order of US$300 or more! > That is more than the kit is worth! I would be better off buying the > UcD400 which will give me the same > power but is a readybuilt module. These kits are class D or T > whichever you wish to call them > At my 79 years, SMD is a challenge so I do not expect to make a habit of > it! I have to use magnifying > goggles these days although I still have the desk magnifying lamp....... > > Ron's Weller WES51 is more reasonably priced at about half of that, on > Amazon the users gave it 3 stars but > there was a chinese Xytronic 379 for $50 which does the same thing, > rated 5 stars, and the general commentary > was that the quality was very good and the only difference to the Weller > was the name which you pay the extra > for! > > I called around locally (Barbados) and can get a Zhongdi ZD919 for the > equivalent of US$80 and that seems to > offer about the same as the above..... it is > Electronic Temperature Controlled Soldering Station > Temperature:150-450 > Soldering Iron:24Volt-48W > Safely guard iron holder > Replaceable Tips > > I looked at the makers website and they have some very fancy ones as > well - no idea of the price though! > > Regards > Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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The receiver works via the IrDA (IrDAphy) interface and had a PLED display which shows the status of the decks transport controls. All outputs are completely isolated and buffered to avoid damage to either processor end or the deck's electronics. I am still adding features via firmware, so this is the best time to fullfill wish lists! The unit comes in a nice aluminium enclosure and it should sit neatly in a corner. It is fully SMT and I may most probably offer it in built units. The prototype circuit has been tested on my ZX, ZXL and Dragon decks. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dm2 at marctronixx.com Sat Dec 16 16:28:08 2006 From: dm2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:28:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am confused... I have an rx 505 and I will have one of Scott's units as soon as he can send it my way. Does this unit from bala work with the 505s or is this for the higher end naks? I have not been following the dialogue on this project as I thought this one and Scotts were one in the same, but I see now they are not. Thanks for any info to clear me up here. --marc-- _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pieter Thole Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Remote Control Project Bala, Count me in on your RC! Good reason to get another deck. Pieter from Amsterdam -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Namens Bala Ganesh Chandra Verzonden: zondag 10 december 2006 17:37 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Remote Control Project Hi everyone, Its time I announced what I have done to date. I have built a control unit that is capable of controlling up to 4 individual decks at any one time. The receiver works via the IrDA (IrDAphy) interface and had a PLED display which shows the status of the decks transport controls. All outputs are completely isolated and buffered to avoid damage to either processor end or the deck's electronics. I am still adding features via firmware, so this is the best time to fullfill wish lists! The unit comes in a nice aluminium enclosure and it should sit neatly in a corner. It is fully SMT and I may most probably offer it in built units. The prototype circuit has been tested on my ZX, ZXL and Dragon decks. Best Regards Bala Ganesh _____ Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 19:04:48 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:04:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Project Message-ID: <20061216180448.31520.qmail@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Marc, My unit is meant to work most units with a wired or wireless remote capability. This is done by selecting the model of the deck you would be controlling via the front display. The socket would be automatically configured. So far, I have tested this on the 680ZX, 1000ZXL, Dragon decks and it works fine. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: DM2 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:28:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Remote Control Project I am confused... I have an rx 505 and I will have one of Scott’s units as soon as he can send it my way. Does this unit from bala work with the 505s or is this for the higher end naks? I have not been following the dialogue on this project as I thought this one and Scotts were one in the same, but I see now they are not. Thanks for any info to clear me up here… --marc-- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pieter Thole Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Remote Control Project Bala, Count me in on your RC! Good reason to get another deck. Pieter from Amsterdam -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Namens Bala Ganesh Chandra Verzonden: zondag 10 december 2006 17:37 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Remote Control Project Hi everyone, Its time I announced what I have done to date. I have built a control unit that is capable of controlling up to 4 individual decks at any one time. The receiver works via the IrDA (IrDAphy) interface and had a PLED display which shows the status of the decks transport controls. All outputs are completely isolated and buffered to avoid damage to either processor end or the deck's electronics. I am still adding features via firmware, so this is the best time to fullfill wish lists! The unit comes in a nice aluminium enclosure and it should sit neatly in a corner. It is fully SMT and I may most probably offer it in built units. The prototype circuit has been tested on my ZX, ZXL and Dragon decks. Best Regards Bala Ganesh Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 19:07:14 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:07:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Project Message-ID: <20061216180714.38261.qmail@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey thats great if the remote control is also reason for you expanding your collection! Have added you in my list . Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Pieter Thole To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:15:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Remote Control Project DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Bala, Count me in on your RC! Good reason to get another deck. Pieter from Amsterdam -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Namens Bala Ganesh Chandra Verzonden: zondag 10 december 2006 17:37 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Remote Control Project Hi everyone, Its time I announced what I have done to date. I have built a control unit that is capable of controlling up to 4 individual decks at any one time. The receiver works via the IrDA (IrDAphy) interface and had a PLED display which shows the status of the decks transport controls. All outputs are completely isolated and buffered to avoid damage to either processor end or the deck's electronics. I am still adding features via firmware, so this is the best time to fullfill wish lists! The unit comes in a nice aluminium enclosure and it should sit neatly in a corner. It is fully SMT and I may most probably offer it in built units. The prototype circuit has been tested on my ZX, ZXL and Dragon decks. Best Regards Bala Ganesh Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Sat Dec 16 20:02:09 2006 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:02:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Remote Control Project In-Reply-To: <20061216180448.31520.qmail@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061216180448.31520.qmail@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <458442B1.1070006@otenet.gr> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Marc, > > My unit is meant to work most units with a wired or wireless > remote capability. This is done by selecting the model of the deck you > would be controlling via the front display. The socket would be > automatically configured. So far, I have tested this on the 680ZX, > 1000ZXL, Dragon decks and it works fine. > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: DM2 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:28:08 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Remote Control Project > > I am confused... I have an rx 505 and I will have one of Scott’s units > as soon as he can send it my way. Does this unit from bala work with > the 505s or is this for the higher end naks? I have not been following > the dialogue on this project as I thought this one and Scotts were one > in the same, but I see now they are not. > > > > Thanks for any info to clear me up here… > > > > --marc-- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Pieter Thole > *Sent:* Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:15 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Remote Control Project > > > > Bala, > > Count me in on your RC! > > Good reason to get another deck. > > > > Pieter from Amsterdam > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > *Van:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*Namens *Bala Ganesh Chandra > *Verzonden:* zondag 10 december 2006 17:37 > *Aan:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Onderwerp:* Re: [naktalk] Remote Control Project > > Hi everyone, > > Its time I announced what I have done to date. > > I have built a control unit that is capable of controlling up to 4 > individual decks at any one time. The receiver works via the IrDA > (IrDAphy) interface and had a PLED display which shows the status > of the decks transport controls. All outputs are completely > isolated and buffered to avoid damage to either processor end or > the deck's electronics. I am still adding features via firmware, > so this is the best time to fullfill wish lists! > > The unit comes in a nice aluminium enclosure and it should sit > neatly in a corner. It is fully SMT and I may most probably offer > it in built units. The prototype circuit has been tested on my ZX, > ZXL and Dragon decks. > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Hi Bala I have a CR-7 with no remote....Will this project help me gain back the privilege of sitting in my coach with a new remote or since the deck has already the IR remote control mechanism incorporated i have to find some other solution.... I also have a DR-1 which could profit from the project.....Please help me ......... Manos from Athens GR From bernardsda at hotmail.com Sun Dec 17 07:55:34 2006 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:55:34 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Equalization In-Reply-To: <000801c7208a$c733e0b0$64c8a8c0@wilson1> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hsvanbeek at planet.nl Mon Dec 18 08:50:11 2006 From: hsvanbeek at planet.nl (Henk van Beek) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:50:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording Message-ID: <000001c72279$257dff30$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Ron, According to a real Nakamichi expert here in Holland, it is not necessary. I've never demagnetised my CR-7's, and they play perfectly. Henk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Dec 18 13:27:19 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:27:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording Message-ID: My dear Henk, Look my friend...; I own a Dragon & at the beginning is writing that you needed to clean all the tape path + degauss the heads & all the NO plastic guides...for SO IF in a Dragon much better & expensive machine that yours indicate to do so...believe me also for your machine is imperative!!! I say it!!! Peace,ALEX! Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:50:11 +0100From: hsvanbeek at planet.nlSubject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recordingTo: naktalk at naks.com Ron, According to a real Nakamichi expert here in Holland, it is not necessary. I've never demagnetised my CR-7's, and they play perfectly. 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Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording My dear Henk, Look my friend...; I own a Dragon & at the beginning is writing that you needed to clean all the tape path + degauss the heads & all the NO plastic guides...for SO IF in a Dragon much better & expensive machine that yours indicate to do so...believe me also for your machine is imperative!!! I say it!!! Peace, ALEX! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:50:11 +0100 From: hsvanbeek at planet.nl Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording To: naktalk at naks.com Ron, According to a real Nakamichi expert here in Holland, it is not necessary. I've never demagnetised my CR-7's, and they play perfectly. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces Try it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Dec 18 14:51:35 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:51:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <000001c72279$257dff30$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Message-ID: BerichtWould that be Mr van den Hoff ? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Henk van Beek Sent: 18 December 2006 07:50 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording Ron, According to a real Nakamichi expert here in Holland, it is not necessary. I've never demagnetised my CR-7's, and they play perfectly. Henk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Dec 18 15:25:27 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:25:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <003b01c722a1$13e25eb0$0d2aa8c0@Manepa.local> Message-ID: I particularly remember hearing the difference before and after when I used to demag' my old 2-head Aiwa AD1800 deck and the in-car machines of that period. However, I have not noticed the distortions in sound that they used to produce pre-demagging are not a problem with my ZX9 (etc) or my current crop of "Ford" in-car cassette players. Why there is a difference I don't know, except I routinely demag the ZX9 anyway, whenever I clean the heads - it's just part of the habit - but I don't with the in-car units and they get hammered much more than the ZX-9. However, with the increased use of plastics it would not surprise me if magnetisation was less of an issue that it once was, and that recommendations to continue quite as diligently as before plastics became more common might be over cautious and over-kill. Plus, Nakamichi got to sell something else - the DM-10 ... why they didn't include one in the price for each cassette deck sold just goes to show they wanted to make plenty money out of their demag sales! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 18 December 2006 12:36 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording Quote from CR5/CR7 manual under Maintenance "You should demagnetize these parts about once in every 50 hours of use with the Nakamichi DM-10 Demagnetizer" Regards. Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 18 15:23:27 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:23:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <000001c72279$257dff30$bb7ba8c0@HENK> References: <000001c72279$257dff30$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Message-ID: <4586A45F.9000908@rcn.com> Henk van Beek wrote: > Ron, > > According to a real Nakamichi expert here in Holland, it is not necessary. According to Nakamichi (page 12 of the CR-7 user's manual), demagnetization *is* necessary. Too bad they neglected to consult with your "real expert" friend. I would be wary of *anything* your "real expert" friend has to say. Did he explain how the CR-7 managed to defeat the laws of Physics? > I've never demagnetised my CR-7's, and they play perfectly. And in what scientific study have you ascertained this? Over time, the magnetized heads and transport parts may increase noise level and *will* attenuated the recorded high frequencies. It will do no harm to your deck, but will ruin recordings. This will not be immediately apparent but will sure as hell happen with repeated playings. -- Ron > > Henk From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 18 22:34:08 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:34:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <4586A45F.9000908@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20061218213408.53542.qmail@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I bought a Pioneer RT707 from EBAY. The playback in the reverse direction lacked the high freqs. I de-magged and all is well now! Bob Ron wrote: Henk van Beek wrote: > Ron, > > According to a real Nakamichi expert here in Holland, it is not necessary. According to Nakamichi (page 12 of the CR-7 user's manual), demagnetization *is* necessary. Too bad they neglected to consult with your "real expert" friend. I would be wary of *anything* your "real expert" friend has to say. Did he explain how the CR-7 managed to defeat the laws of Physics? > I've never demagnetised my CR-7's, and they play perfectly. And in what scientific study have you ascertained this? Over time, the magnetized heads and transport parts may increase noise level and *will* attenuated the recorded high frequencies. It will do no harm to your deck, but will ruin recordings. This will not be immediately apparent but will sure as hell happen with repeated playings. -- Ron > > Henk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Dec 19 03:41:08 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:41:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-150. Works. Nice front. Good top.25.00 donation to Naktalk. Message-ID: In keeping with the spririt of the yuletide season, I am offering a BX-150 Silver to the first person willing to make a 25.00 donation to Naktalk.Shipping will be actual shipping from zip code 78028-Your choice of carriers. I found this today at a salvage store . The top looked scratched and when I tried the machine, there was just a little responce from the mechanism, in fact, it wanted to eat a tape.Well, after pressing those buttons numerous times and calling the manager to show her it did not work, and therefore I should get it for less than the 8.99 pricetag; when I went to show her, the unit was working peoperly!! I am guessing the contact switches were oxidized. Well, I got the unit at a discount anyway-for 5.99. I brought 'er home and cleaned it up, and I must say the front panel looks nice. The top has some scrataches which i rubbed out pretty well, and it looks much better. best of all the unit is working.It sounds excellent. I have tried the PLAY function,FAst Forward, reverse,and they all work well, although I have not recorded. The heads look great. I swabbed the heads with alchohol and they werent very dirty. Neither were the rollers. Heres my offer. The first Naktalker to pledge 25.00 to Naktalk in the spirit of the season gets the BX-150 in garunteed working order. That said, it probably would be best going to a home where someone could clean the contact switches . I know enough about gear just by experience that I can say with little doubt this Nak will work well.You just gotta press FIRMLY on those buttons!I am listening to some jazz tapes right now and its working properly with no mechanism malfunction issues. Shipping is non-refundable, but the 25.00 is garunteed . -- From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Dec 19 03:53:08 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:53:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-150. Works. Nice front. Good top.25.00 donation to Naktalk. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <274322.60718.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maybe me! --- jerryjg a écrit : > In keeping with the spririt of the yuletide season, > I am offering a > BX-150 Silver to the first person willing to make a > 25.00 donation to > Naktalk.Shipping will be actual shipping from zip > code 78028-Your choice > of carriers. I found this today at a salvage store > . The top looked > scratched and when I tried the machine, there was > just a little responce > from the mechanism, in fact, it wanted to eat a > tape.Well, after pressing > those buttons numerous times and calling the manager > to show her it did > not work, and therefore I should get it for less > than the 8.99 pricetag; > when I went to show her, the unit was working > peoperly!! I am guessing the > contact switches were oxidized. Well, I got the unit > at a discount > anyway-for 5.99. I brought 'er home and cleaned it > up, and I must say the > front panel looks nice. The top has some scrataches > which i rubbed out > pretty well, and it looks much better. best of all > the unit is working.It > sounds excellent. I have tried the PLAY > function,FAst Forward, reverse,and > they all work well, although I have not recorded. > The heads look great. I > swabbed the heads with alchohol and they werent > very dirty. Neither were > the rollers. Heres my offer. The first Naktalker to > pledge 25.00 to > Naktalk in the spirit of the season gets the BX-150 > in garunteed working > order. That said, it probably would be best going to > a home where someone > could clean the contact switches . I know enough > about gear just by > experience that I can say with little doubt this Nak > will work well.You > just gotta press FIRMLY on those buttons!I am > listening to some jazz tapes > right now and its working properly with no mechanism > malfunction issues. > Shipping is non-refundable, but the 25.00 is > garunteed . > > -- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Dec 19 07:16:21 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:16:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Equalization Message-ID: <1BDFDAB3-F0E4-434F-922F-3351C908D453@alumni.caltech.edu> Technically, nothing if you play it back at 120. Some Nak manuals will even list this as a possibiity (maybe not for metal specifically, but any 70us tape). You should get more heeadroom, but also a higher noise floor. But you have to play it back to match whatever you said you were going to play it back when you recorded it to get the correct overall balance.-kby From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Dec 19 16:33:28 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:33:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Erasure In-Reply-To: References: <200612151100.kBFB0ctp024009@zxe.naks.com> <005001c7206c$b86d8310$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> <458315EB.3080207@rcn.com> <45832058.90006@rcn.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:52:10 -0600, jerryjg wrote: > OIC, i can just play like the eraser is from a distant galaxy-perhaps an >alternate universe, and came in search of electromagnetic nutrition. It >hovered briefly over and under the tape,while performing complex >analysis,decided the tape did not meet their reqirements,slowly ascended, >and left as suddenly as as it appeared. Yes, Ive been drinking, and yes, >i just made a fool of myself to 700 of the worlds smartest most >sophisticated people. Cheers. On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:23:20 No you didn't. You just beat me to it. -Mikkel, drinking that is :) From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Dec 19 21:11:07 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:11:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <838894.88119.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, how's the BX-125 compared to the BX-2? It seems to have the same features, except it has an electronic fader. Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 21:20:59 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:20:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 In-Reply-To: <838894.88119.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <838894.88119.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612191220h4cc17a5eu3a2cccf7c079822f@mail.gmail.com> The faces are different and the BX-2 has a digital counter instead of the BX-125's analog counter. The heads and transports are identical and they sound the same IMO. -Tim On 12/19/06, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > Hi all, > > how's the BX-125 compared to the BX-2? It seems to > have the same features, except it has an electronic fader. > > Antoine Deschênes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection > possible contre les messages non nollicités > http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Dec 19 22:16:07 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:16:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110612191220h4cc17a5eu3a2cccf7c079822f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061219211607.71566.qmail@web36213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh, so there's no point to get one... --- Tim Skorick a écrit : > The faces are different and the BX-2 has a digital > counter instead of the > BX-125's analog counter. The heads and transports > are identical and they > sound the same IMO. > > -Tim > > On 12/19/06, Antoine Deschênes > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > how's the BX-125 compared to the BX-2? It seems to > > have the same features, except it has an > electronic fader. > > > > Antoine Deschênes > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre > la meilleure protection > > possible contre les messages non nollicités > > http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! 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Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 20 23:47:06 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:47:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Need info on 680ZX sent for repair In-Reply-To: <20061208164729.17585.qmail@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061220164706.00839680@earthlink.net> I received a 680ZX, I presume for repair, from D. Alfarache, Austin TX. I assume this is a NakTalk repair, but we need contact information and a description of the problems. Please send to hitech77 at earthlink.net rather than NakTalk. Does anyone have rack ears for a 680 to sell? tom Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 21 00:49:24 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:49:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need info on 680ZX sent for repair In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061220164706.00839680@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <635345.19144.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Does any other model rack ears fit the 680? I have a set from an MR1 that you can have if they'll work. Bob Hi Tech wrote: I received a 680ZX, I presume for repair, from D. Alfarache, Austin TX. I assume this is a NakTalk repair, but we need contact information and a description of the problems. Please send to hitech77 at earthlink.net rather than NakTalk. Does anyone have rack ears for a 680 to sell? tom Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 21 01:20:23 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:20:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need info on 680ZX sent for repair In-Reply-To: <635345.19144.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061221002023.44179.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MR-1 rack ears will not work on the 680's. SJ --- Bob Naylor wrote: > Tom, > Does any other model rack ears fit the 680? I have a set from an > MR1 that you can have if they'll work. > Bob > > Hi Tech wrote: > I received a 680ZX, I presume for repair, from D. Alfarache, > Austin TX. > I assume this is a NakTalk repair, but we need contact information > and a > description of the problems. Please send to hitech77 at earthlink.net > rather > than NakTalk. > Does anyone have rack ears for a 680 to sell? > tom > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Dec 21 03:54:45 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:54:45 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 Message-ID: <001b01c724ab$5fd85890$68d81bca@apac.ad.ici.com> Antoine, "Oh, so there's no point to get one..." Depends... The BX100/125/150 are quite stylish and pleasant to look at.. the BX1 & 2 are a real visual mishmash, very untidy to look at!, and also get my award for the ugliest Naks by a very very large margin (but that is only my opinion!). cheers, and best christmas wishes to All, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sorry, I'm just pissed of my two cheapo Naks for which I spent $170 just to get and then spend at least twice that amount just to get parts and be able to actually get them to play and record correctly. Silver BX-2: -Sounds like a Walkman -Can't play tapes w/o slowing down and dying, same for FF and REW Black BX-2: -Problems after problems, had to rebuild two motors, -Can't keep constant capstan speed now, probably the capstan motor would need to be rebuilt as well, -Eats tapes for some unknown reason, $35 USD capstan bearing seems loose -Transport wiring sucks, the capstan motor acts as if it was having dead spots while the two wires going to the deck are just having problems -Bought repaired apparently, had problems after 4 hours of playback. -Recording works bad, I keep losing sound, probably caps to replace. --- Martin Short a écrit : > Antoine, > > "Oh, so there's no point to get one..." > > Depends... The BX100/125/150 are quite stylish and > pleasant to look at.. the BX1 & 2 are a real visual > mishmash, very untidy to look at!, and also get my > award for the ugliest Naks by a very very large > margin (but that is only my opinion!). > > cheers, and best christmas wishes to All, > > Martin> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 21 04:46:10 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:46:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need info on 680ZX sent for repair Message-ID: <20061221034610.92984.qmail@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, I've got a pair of rack ears for a 680ZX. Please contact me offline. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 6:47:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Need info on 680ZX sent for repair I received a 680ZX, I presume for repair, from D. Alfarache, Austin TX. I assume this is a NakTalk repair, but we need contact information and a description of the problems. Please send to hitech77 at earthlink.net rather than NakTalk. Does anyone have rack ears for a 680 to sell? tom Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Dec 21 05:23:18 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:23:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 In-Reply-To: <20061221031126.777.qmail@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061221031126.777.qmail@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <458A0C36.301@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi Martin, > > I don't really care about how it looks, it's more > about the inside. I could spend the $50 it would cost > me to get parts for the BX-2, if it's the same thing > inside. The transport is the same apparently, and if > it's the case I don't want one, it never works > correctly .... The BX series uses the Sankyo transport. While not as solid as the original Nak transport, it still works flawlessly for many thousand and thousands of decks. I've owned a CR-7 for almost 9 years now (bought in 1998 when it was 13 years old). Yes, had to repair the capstan motor once (replaced an IC) and it does require routine maintenance, but so did the 582 with the original Nak transport that I bought new and kept for 17 years. In all there is nothing wrong with the Sankyo transport that doesn't affect *any* other precision piece of mechanical equipment. > ...unless you pay someone $120 per decks with a > 'scope and alignment tapes that can find the problem > and align things that moved every time you or he fixes > or repair any parts of the deck because everything > moves when you do so. > > Sorry, I'm just pissed of my two cheapo Naks for which > I spent $170 just to get and then spend at least twice > that amount just to get parts and be able to actually > get them to play and record correctly. I dunno... I sold a BX-100 to a friend more than 5 years ago that I refurbished before delivery. During that time I replaced 1 (that's right, one) idler tire. Cost him nothing (he's a good friend), cost me 55 cents. As far as I know the deck is still going strong. I also sold a couple of BX two head decks on ebay. No one ever came back with any complaint. Bottom line: if a BX deck is in good condition, used appropriately and get routine maintenance (as expected for any other machine, including your car), it will last and last and last. > Silver BX-2: > -Sounds like a Walkman > -Can't play tapes w/o slowing down and dying, same for > FF and REW > > Black BX-2: > -Problems after problems, had to rebuild two motors, > -Can't keep constant capstan speed now, probably the > capstan motor would need to be rebuilt as well, > -Eats tapes for some unknown reason, $35 USD capstan > bearing seems loose > -Transport wiring sucks, the capstan motor acts as if > it was having dead spots while the two wires going to > the deck are just having problems > -Bought repaired apparently, had problems after 4 > hours of playback. > -Recording works bad, I keep losing sound, probably > caps to replace. In short, Antoine, you have a couple of sick decks that may -- or may not -- be worthwhile to fix properly. But please don't knock all BX series decks because of your two. Bets of luck, -- Ron > > --- Martin Short a écrit : > >> Antoine, >> >> "Oh, so there's no point to get one..." >> >> Depends... The BX100/125/150 are quite stylish and >> pleasant to look at.. the BX1 & 2 are a real visual >> mishmash, very untidy to look at!, and also get my >> award for the ugliest Naks by a very very large >> margin (but that is only my opinion!). >> >> cheers, and best christmas wishes to All, >> >> Martin> > > Antoine Deschênes From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 21 12:18:09 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:18:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 In-Reply-To: <001b01c724ab$5fd85890$68d81bca@apac.ad.ici.com> Message-ID: <001801c724f1$b310a800$7300a8c0@Shaun> Martin, I resent that insult to my beloved BX-2, resplendent as it delivers superior sound to my Cambridge SoundWorks 4.1 computer sound system!! It makes my study a much more satisfying place to spend my time in. Mind you, I have only got a BX-300, 550 and Tascam 122 to judge it by in the lounge, but I love it nonetheless. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Martin Short Sent: 21 December 2006 02:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-150 Antoine, "Oh, so there's no point to get one..." Depends... The BX100/125/150 are quite stylish and pleasant to look at.. the BX1 & 2 are a real visual mishmash, very untidy to look at!, and also get my award for the ugliest Naks by a very very large margin (but that is only my opinion!). cheers, and best christmas wishes to All, Martin __________ NOD32 1932 (20061220) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 21 17:26:41 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:26:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alignment tapes Message-ID: <20061221162642.54690.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good morning Nak-ers, This is concerning Luis' alignment tapes. I bought a set from Luis. On 6 tape decks, 2 MR1's, cassette deck 1, cassette deck 1.5, cassette deck 2, and a cheapie Sony, I could not hear anything on the 15Khz tape on all decks. Luis sent me another tape just in case there was a problem with the first one. Well It was my mistake. Once I got the azimuth adjusted on the "cassette deck 1", the tone was there! That's the only deck of these 6 that has an external azimuth adjustment and the only deck I could hear the tone (after using the external adjustment). My point here is that Luis was a great help in helping me with this and was very generous in sending me another, half way across the planet! Thank you very much Luis! The other tape is in the mail today on it's way back to you! Happy Holidays all! Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Dec 21 17:51:13 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:51:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment tapes In-Reply-To: <20061221162642.54690.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061221162642.54690.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <458ABB81.9090402@peromarta.org> Hi Bob, Thanks for the cumpliments. Please bear in mind head azimuth position and height are complementary adjustments, and you should perform both a couple of times, i.e. : height -> azimuth -> height -> azimuth on all decks. Best rgds, LP. Bob Naylor escribió: > *Good morning Nak-ers,* > *This is concerning Luis' alignment tapes. I bought a set from Luis. > On 6 tape decks, 2 MR1's, cassette deck 1, cassette deck 1.5, cassette > deck 2, and a cheapie Sony, I could not hear anything on the 15Khz tape > on all decks. Luis sent me another tape just in case there was a > problem with the first one. Well It was my mistake. Once I got the > azimuth adjusted on the "cassette deck 1", the tone was there! That's > the only deck of these 6 that has an external azimuth adjustment and the > only deck I could hear the tone (after using the external adjustment).* > *My point here is that Luis was a great help in helping me with this and > was very generous in sending me another, half way across the planet! * > *Thank you very much Luis! The other tape is in the mail today on it's > way back to you!* > *Happy Holidays all!* > *Bob* > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 21 16:40:52 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:40:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 In-Reply-To: <20061221031126.777.qmail@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001b01c724ab$5fd85890$68d81bca@apac.ad.ici.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061221094052.008437c0@earthlink.net> Martin, How sad. One reason I like the classic mechanism so much is that the problems seem not to occur in bunches. A 480 can be purchased for dirt. A 580 is a bit more, 482,582 prices are not too bad. If you want a super deck, try the LX 3. I have seen some eBay for less than $100 us. I think both of your machines have capstan belt problems....the belt is too tight. The capstan motors are generally reliable. That second BX2 seems to be beaten up badly. Compare the 2 decks side by side under the hood with no tape loaded. Perhaps the wiring issue will have a visual solution. Your first deck, if the speed issue can be resolved, needs an azimuth adjustment. You can get pretty close simply by playing a known good tape and listening in MONO. Adjust for best treble and least difference when switching between mono and stereo. tom brucker At 10:11 PM 12/20/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Martin, > >I don't really care about how it looks, it's more >about the inside. I could spend the $50 it would cost >me to get parts for the BX-2, if it's the same thing >inside. The transport is the same apparently, and if >it's the case I don't want one, it never works >correctly unless you pay someone $120 per decks with a >'scope and alignment tapes that can find the problem >and align things that moved every time you or he fixes >or repair any parts of the deck because everything >moves when you do so. > >Sorry, I'm just pissed of my two cheapo Naks for which >I spent $170 just to get and then spend at least twice >that amount just to get parts and be able to actually >get them to play and record correctly. > >Silver BX-2: >-Sounds like a Walkman >-Can't play tapes w/o slowing down and dying, same for >FF and REW > >Black BX-2: >-Problems after problems, had to rebuild two motors, >-Can't keep constant capstan speed now, probably the >capstan motor would need to be rebuilt as well, >-Eats tapes for some unknown reason, $35 USD capstan >bearing seems loose >-Transport wiring sucks, the capstan motor acts as if >it was having dead spots while the two wires going to >the deck are just having problems >-Bought repaired apparently, had problems after 4 >hours of playback. >-Recording works bad, I keep losing sound, probably >caps to replace. > >--- Martin Short a écrit : > >> Antoine, >> >> "Oh, so there's no point to get one..." >> >> Depends... The BX100/125/150 are quite stylish and >> pleasant to look at.. the BX1 & 2 are a real visual >> mishmash, very untidy to look at!, and also get my >> award for the ugliest Naks by a very very large >> margin (but that is only my opinion!). >> >> cheers, and best christmas wishes to All, >> >> Martin> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Antoine Deschênes > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités >http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 21 19:05:26 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:05:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment tapes In-Reply-To: <20061221162642.54690.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061221120526.00848420@earthlink.net> Luis, Because most of us are old men, why not start the azimuth test at 10kHz and step through 12kHz to 15kHz? That would eliminate this confusion. Many oldsters cannot hear 15kHz. tom brucker At 08:26 AM 12/21/06 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Good morning Nak-ers, This is concerning Luis' alignment tapes. I bought a set from Luis. On 6 tape decks, 2 MR1's, cassette deck 1, cassette deck 1.5, cassette deck 2, and a cheapie Sony, I could not hear anything on the 15Khz tape on all decks. Luis sent me another tape just in case there was a problem with the first one. Well It was my mistake. Once I got the azimuth adjusted on the "cassette deck 1", the tone was there! That's the only deck of these 6 that has an external azimuth adjustment and the only deck I could hear the tone (after using the external adjustment). My point here is that Luis was a great help in helping me with this and was very generous in sending me another, half way across the planet! Thank you very much Luis! The other tape is in the mail today on it's way back to you! Happy Holidays all! Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From luis at peromarta.org Thu Dec 21 19:16:19 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:16:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment tapes In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061221120526.00848420@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061221120526.00848420@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <458ACF73.1080903@peromarta.org> Yep, we had that issue too. I could make a 10 / 12 / 15 KHz if there is demand for it, and can be done to order. So, any one interested, just let me know. rgds, LP. Hi Tech escribió: > Luis, > Because most of us are old men, why not start the azimuth test at 10kHz > and step through 12kHz to 15kHz? That would eliminate this confusion. > Many oldsters cannot hear 15kHz. > > tom brucker > > At 08:26 AM 12/21/06 -0800, you wrote: > Good morning Nak-ers, > This is concerning Luis' alignment tapes. I bought a set from Luis. On 6 > tape decks, 2 MR1's, cassette deck 1, cassette deck 1.5, cassette deck 2, > and a cheapie Sony, I could not hear anything on the 15Khz tape on all > decks. Luis sent me another tape just in case there was a problem with the > first one. Well It was my mistake. Once I got the azimuth adjusted on the > "cassette deck 1", the tone was there! That's the only deck of these 6 > that has an external azimuth adjustment and the only deck I could hear the > tone (after using the external adjustment). > My point here is that Luis was a great help in helping me with this and > was very generous in sending me another, half way across the planet! > Thank you very much Luis! The other tape is in the mail today on it's way > back to you! > Happy Holidays all! > Bob > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 21 20:04:33 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:04:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alignment tapes In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061221120526.00848420@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <151356.68097.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Mostly I could only hear fuzz with a little tone just barely there. My wife could not hear the tone at all but I did get a -20db meter reading when the azimuth was adjusted. I remember when I was a teenager I could hear 20kc very well but prolly not today! Bob Hi Tech wrote: Luis, Because most of us are old men, why not start the azimuth test at 10kHz and step through 12kHz to 15kHz? That would eliminate this confusion. Many oldsters cannot hear 15kHz. tom brucker At 08:26 AM 12/21/06 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Good morning Nak-ers, This is concerning Luis' alignment tapes. I bought a set from Luis. On 6 tape decks, 2 MR1's, cassette deck 1, cassette deck 1.5, cassette deck 2, and a cheapie Sony, I could not hear anything on the 15Khz tape on all decks. Luis sent me another tape just in case there was a problem with the first one. Well It was my mistake. Once I got the azimuth adjusted on the "cassette deck 1", the tone was there! That's the only deck of these 6 that has an external azimuth adjustment and the only deck I could hear the tone (after using the external adjustment). My point here is that Luis was a great help in helping me with this and was very generous in sending me another, half way across the planet! Thank you very much Luis! The other tape is in the mail today on it's way back to you! Happy Holidays all! Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Dec 21 21:28:43 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:28:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061221094052.008437c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <379959.64632.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, Martin isn't the one with the problem, I do. The second BX-2 that eats tapes had no problems until I fixed every other problems(Except orange caps)... Maybe I could look for a cheap 3-head Nak. I saw only one difference with the transport between both Naks I own, the black one's heads/pinch roller only go in stop position using gravity, if I put the transport upside down, it's placing the heads as if the deck was on play. The silver deck doesn't have this problem, but can't keep the tapes playing. The black BX-2 stops eating tapes when I get up the pinch roller's tension, which is not supposed to be adjusted (Both ends of the spring are normally stuck in Lock-Tite) About that silver deck, it doesn't have the original pinch roller, but I don't know where to find the real one. Since it has problems rewinding / fastforwarding, I guess I will have to rebuild it's drive motor and/or change the idler. The black one has a gear drive. --- Hi Tech a écrit : > Martin, > How sad. One reason I like the classic mechanism > so much is that the > problems seem not to occur in bunches. A 480 can be > purchased for dirt. A > 580 is a bit more, 482,582 prices are not too bad. > If you want a super > deck, try the LX 3. I have seen some eBay for less > than $100 us. > I think both of your machines have capstan belt > problems....the belt is too > tight. The capstan motors are generally reliable. > That second BX2 seems to > be beaten up badly. Compare the 2 decks side by side > under the hood with no > tape loaded. Perhaps the wiring issue will have a > visual solution. > Your first deck, if the speed issue can be resolved, > needs an azimuth > adjustment. You can get pretty close simply by > playing a known good tape > and listening in MONO. Adjust for best treble and > least difference when > switching between mono and stereo. > > tom brucker > > At 10:11 PM 12/20/06 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi Martin, > > > >I don't really care about how it looks, it's more > >about the inside. I could spend the $50 it would > cost > >me to get parts for the BX-2, if it's the same > thing > >inside. The transport is the same apparently, and > if > >it's the case I don't want one, it never works > >correctly unless you pay someone $120 per decks > with a > >'scope and alignment tapes that can find the > problem > >and align things that moved every time you or he > fixes > >or repair any parts of the deck because everything > >moves when you do so. > > > >Sorry, I'm just pissed of my two cheapo Naks for > which > >I spent $170 just to get and then spend at least > twice > >that amount just to get parts and be able to > actually > >get them to play and record correctly. > > > >Silver BX-2: > >-Sounds like a Walkman > >-Can't play tapes w/o slowing down and dying, same > for > >FF and REW > > > >Black BX-2: > >-Problems after problems, had to rebuild two > motors, > >-Can't keep constant capstan speed now, probably > the > >capstan motor would need to be rebuilt as well, > >-Eats tapes for some unknown reason, $35 USD > capstan > >bearing seems loose > >-Transport wiring sucks, the capstan motor acts as > if > >it was having dead spots while the two wires going > to > >the deck are just having problems > >-Bought repaired apparently, had problems after 4 > >hours of playback. > >-Recording works bad, I keep losing sound, probably > >caps to replace. > > > >--- Martin Short a écrit : > > > >> Antoine, > >> > >> "Oh, so there's no point to get one..." > >> > >> Depends... The BX100/125/150 are quite stylish > and > >> pleasant to look at.. the BX1 & 2 are a real > visual > >> mishmash, very untidy to look at!, and also get > my > >> award for the ugliest Naks by a very very large > >> margin (but that is only my opinion!). > >> > >> cheers, and best christmas wishes to All, > >> > >> Martin> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > >> http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >Antoine Deschênes > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre > la meilleure protection > possible contre les messages non nollicités > >http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Dec 21 21:38:06 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:38:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 In-Reply-To: <379959.64632.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20061221094052.008437c0@earthlink.net> <379959.64632.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612211238i130eaba3q354858f476c14ff7@mail.gmail.com> Lately I've been having great luck finding the Nak 582 on eBay. I've bought a few, fixed two and sold them (only needed a little TLC), and the one in the best condition I kept. It's fantastic and the sound is superb (better by far than my BX, CR or RX decks). -Tim On 12/21/06, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > Martin isn't the one with the problem, I do. > > The second BX-2 that eats tapes had no problems until > I fixed every other problems(Except orange caps)... > > Maybe I could look for a cheap 3-head Nak. > > I saw only one difference with the transport between > both Naks I own, the black one's heads/pinch roller > only go in stop position using gravity, if I put the > transport upside down, it's placing the heads as if > the deck was on play. The silver deck doesn't have > this problem, but can't keep the tapes playing. > > The black BX-2 stops eating tapes when I get up the > pinch roller's tension, which is not supposed to be > adjusted (Both ends of the spring are normally stuck > in Lock-Tite) > > About that silver deck, it doesn't have the original > pinch roller, but I don't know where to find the real > one. Since it has problems rewinding / fastforwarding, > I guess I will have to rebuild it's drive motor and/or > change the idler. The black one has a gear drive. > > --- Hi Tech a écrit : > > > Martin, > > How sad. One reason I like the classic mechanism > > so much is that the > > problems seem not to occur in bunches. A 480 can be > > purchased for dirt. A > > 580 is a bit more, 482,582 prices are not too bad. > > If you want a super > > deck, try the LX 3. I have seen some eBay for less > > than $100 us. > > I think both of your machines have capstan belt > > problems....the belt is too > > tight. The capstan motors are generally reliable. > > That second BX2 seems to > > be beaten up badly. Compare the 2 decks side by side > > under the hood with no > > tape loaded. Perhaps the wiring issue will have a > > visual solution. > > Your first deck, if the speed issue can be resolved, > > needs an azimuth > > adjustment. You can get pretty close simply by > > playing a known good tape > > and listening in MONO. Adjust for best treble and > > least difference when > > switching between mono and stereo. > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 10:11 PM 12/20/06 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hi Martin, > > > > > >I don't really care about how it looks, it's more > > >about the inside. I could spend the $50 it would > > cost > > >me to get parts for the BX-2, if it's the same > > thing > > >inside. The transport is the same apparently, and > > if > > >it's the case I don't want one, it never works > > >correctly unless you pay someone $120 per decks > > with a > > >'scope and alignment tapes that can find the > > problem > > >and align things that moved every time you or he > > fixes > > >or repair any parts of the deck because everything > > >moves when you do so. > > > > > >Sorry, I'm just pissed of my two cheapo Naks for > > which > > >I spent $170 just to get and then spend at least > > twice > > >that amount just to get parts and be able to > > actually > > >get them to play and record correctly. > > > > > >Silver BX-2: > > >-Sounds like a Walkman > > >-Can't play tapes w/o slowing down and dying, same > > for > > >FF and REW > > > > > >Black BX-2: > > >-Problems after problems, had to rebuild two > > motors, > > >-Can't keep constant capstan speed now, probably > > the > > >capstan motor would need to be rebuilt as well, > > >-Eats tapes for some unknown reason, $35 USD > > capstan > > >bearing seems loose > > >-Transport wiring sucks, the capstan motor acts as > > if > > >it was having dead spots while the two wires going > > to > > >the deck are just having problems > > >-Bought repaired apparently, had problems after 4 > > >hours of playback. > > >-Recording works bad, I keep losing sound, probably > > >caps to replace. > > > > > >--- Martin Short a écrit : > > > > > >> Antoine, > > >> > > >> "Oh, so there's no point to get one..." > > >> > > >> Depends... The BX100/125/150 are quite stylish > > and > > >> pleasant to look at.. the BX1 & 2 are a real > > visual > > >> mishmash, very untidy to look at!, and also get > > my > > >> award for the ugliest Naks by a very very large > > >> margin (but that is only my opinion!). > > >> > > >> cheers, and best christmas wishes to All, > > >> > > >> Martin> > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! > > >> http://www.naks.com/register > > >> > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >> Maintain your account here: > > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >Antoine Deschênes > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre > > la meilleure protection > > possible contre les messages non nollicités > > >http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Antoine Deschênes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > En finir avec le spam? 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URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Dec 21 21:41:09 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:41:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110612211238i130eaba3q354858f476c14ff7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20061221094052.008437c0@earthlink.net> <379959.64632.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6bddc1110612211238i130eaba3q354858f476c14ff7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612211241maa0ac38s77a2d59e3554a2a2@mail.gmail.com> And yes, the sound difference is in spite of the deck only having earlier noise reduction circuitry. Perhaps it has to do with the older crystalloy heads ... -Tim On 12/21/06, Tim Skorick wrote: > > Lately I've been having great luck finding the Nak 582 on eBay. I've > bought a few, fixed two and sold them (only needed a little TLC), and the > one in the best condition I kept. It's fantastic and the sound is superb > (better by far than my BX, CR or RX decks). > > -Tim > > On 12/21/06, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Martin isn't the one with the problem, I do. > > > > The second BX-2 that eats tapes had no problems until > > I fixed every other problems(Except orange caps)... > > > > Maybe I could look for a cheap 3-head Nak. > > > > I saw only one difference with the transport between > > both Naks I own, the black one's heads/pinch roller > > only go in stop position using gravity, if I put the > > transport upside down, it's placing the heads as if > > the deck was on play. The silver deck doesn't have > > this problem, but can't keep the tapes playing. > > > > The black BX-2 stops eating tapes when I get up the > > pinch roller's tension, which is not supposed to be > > adjusted (Both ends of the spring are normally stuck > > in Lock-Tite) > > > > About that silver deck, it doesn't have the original > > pinch roller, but I don't know where to find the real > > one. Since it has problems rewinding / fastforwarding, > > I guess I will have to rebuild it's drive motor and/or > > change the idler. The black one has a gear drive. > > > > --- Hi Tech a écrit : > > > > > Martin, > > > How sad. One reason I like the classic mechanism > > > so much is that the > > > problems seem not to occur in bunches. A 480 can be > > > purchased for dirt. A > > > 580 is a bit more, 482,582 prices are not too bad. > > > If you want a super > > > deck, try the LX 3. I have seen some eBay for less > > > than $100 us. > > > I think both of your machines have capstan belt > > > problems....the belt is too > > > tight. The capstan motors are generally reliable. > > > That second BX2 seems to > > > be beaten up badly. Compare the 2 decks side by side > > > under the hood with no > > > tape loaded. Perhaps the wiring issue will have a > > > visual solution. > > > Your first deck, if the speed issue can be resolved, > > > needs an azimuth > > > adjustment. You can get pretty close simply by > > > playing a known good tape > > > and listening in MONO. Adjust for best treble and > > > least difference when > > > switching between mono and stereo. > > > > > > tom brucker > > > > > > At 10:11 PM 12/20/06 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Hi Martin, > > > > > > > >I don't really care about how it looks, it's more > > > >about the inside. I could spend the $50 it would > > > cost > > > >me to get parts for the BX-2, if it's the same > > > thing > > > >inside. The transport is the same apparently, and > > > if > > > >it's the case I don't want one, it never works > > > >correctly unless you pay someone $120 per decks > > > with a > > > >'scope and alignment tapes that can find the > > > problem > > > >and align things that moved every time you or he > > > fixes > > > >or repair any parts of the deck because everything > > > >moves when you do so. > > > > > > > >Sorry, I'm just pissed of my two cheapo Naks for > > > which > > > >I spent $170 just to get and then spend at least > > > twice > > > >that amount just to get parts and be able to > > > actually > > > >get them to play and record correctly. > > > > > > > >Silver BX-2: > > > >-Sounds like a Walkman > > > >-Can't play tapes w/o slowing down and dying, same > > > for > > > >FF and REW > > > > > > > >Black BX-2: > > > >-Problems after problems, had to rebuild two > > > motors, > > > >-Can't keep constant capstan speed now, probably > > > the > > > >capstan motor would need to be rebuilt as well, > > > >-Eats tapes for some unknown reason, $35 USD > > > capstan > > > >bearing seems loose > > > >-Transport wiring sucks, the capstan motor acts as > > > if > > > >it was having dead spots while the two wires going > > > to > > > >the deck are just having problems > > > >-Bought repaired apparently, had problems after 4 > > > >hours of playback. > > > >-Recording works bad, I keep losing sound, probably > > > >caps to replace. > > > > > > > >--- Martin Short a écrit : > > > > > > > >> Antoine, > > > >> > > > >> "Oh, so there's no point to get one..." > > > >> > > > >> Depends... The BX100/125/150 are quite stylish > > > and > > > >> pleasant to look at.. the BX1 & 2 are a real > > > visual > > > >> mishmash, very untidy to look at!, and also get > > > my > > > >> award for the ugliest Naks by a very very large > > > >> margin (but that is only my opinion!). > > > >> > > > >> cheers, and best christmas wishes to All, > > > >> > > > >> Martin> > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Register your Nak today! > > > >> http://www.naks.com/register > > > >> > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > >> Maintain your account here: > > > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >> > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > >Antoine Deschênes > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > >En finir avec le spam? 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Courriel > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > > Hi Tech Service > > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > Antoine Deschênes > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > En finir avec le spam? 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I can only commiserate which isn't much consolation unfortunately. I have a BX125, and a brace of BX150's.. and apart from the usual idler tyre changing with the 150's ( I discovered my 125 had been converted to gear drive by B&W, many moons ago) they all work fine and sound fine, no complaints and totally agree with Ron's comments re: the BX series. Whether they are worth repairing, you can only judge. Good luck!!, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Fri Dec 22 05:58:01 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:58:01 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] BX-150. Shaun. Message-ID: <002701c72585$c24be3e0$88d81bca@apac.ad.ici.com> Shaun, Didn't intend to offend you :o).. sorry 'bout that...and I never 'knocked' the sound of the BX-2.. only the looks... I'll still take a -150, over a -2 any day!! cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 23 03:31:14 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:31:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] IR Remote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <233066.30948.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have finished satisfying preorders for my IR remote and am now taking orders for my IR Remote control unit for the following wired remote capable Naks: 580, 580M, 581, 581Z, 582, 582Z, 680, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX, 700ZXE, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL, BX-300, CR-2, CR-3, CR-4, CR-5, LX-3, LX-5, MR-1, ZX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9, RX-303, RX-505 and Dragon It is not for the 480, 480Z, 481, 481Z, 482 and 482Z decks because the connector and the interface is different. If there are enough people interested in remotes for these decks I can design one for them. I have more information, pictures, etc you can find them on the following web page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/IR_Remote.html The cost is $40 plus $4 for shipping within the US and $7 for shipping outside the US (a portion of the proceeds will go to Wouter, the founder of NakTalk and www.naks.com). An AC adapter is required for the RX-303, RX-505 and the Dragon. I have standard US two prong 100VAC wallwart for $6. If you live in a country that has a different wall plug then you will need to obtain your own power adapter. If interested or have questions contact me directly at p9019 at yahoo.com. I will create an FAQ area on my IR Remote web page. I can do custom mods like device code or button changes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kingd at usq.edu.au Sat Dec 23 08:52:56 2006 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:52:56 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Belt kits and tapes?? References: <5ii197$1svh40@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895192D91@babbage.usq.edu.au> G'day from Down Under I am new to the list, having only joined yesterday. I am the original owner of a ZX-9 which I have loved from day 1. I was having a reshuffle of equipment in my wall unit to make some room for some new gear, namely a Yamaha CDR HD1500 hard disc recorder. As I was doing this I looked at my seldom used Nak and felt that old twinge of complete respect for a real piece of Hi Fi equipment. A feeling I seldom get these days with the plastic, digital junk we all seem to incorporate into our systems more through necessity than the desire for real audio quality. Anyway, I pulled the Nak out to move some shelves around, and for about a millisecond considered not putting the deck back, after all I hardly play it these days and could use the room for some new video based piece of gear..new PVR, DVD recorder what ever. Then it hit me, no way! This is a Nakamichi for goodness sake, you would never moth ball one of these. Then through naks.com I quickly realised I am certainly not alone which is great. My ZX-9 is a keeper, not one piece of gear other than maybe my amp even comes close to the quality of this thing. The very last recording I did on the deck was last year, when I did a mixed down stereo copy of the Eagles concert DVD (the one in the US not Melbourne) onto a new TDK MA-90 and the playback just astounds me. Any way you guys know all about that. I have some questions however, and please forgive me for asking something which I am sure has been answered over and over. 1 Is there somewhere you can still get genuine Nakamichi belt kits or kits that are guaranteed equivalents? (For the ZX-9) 2 Is eBay the only source of new blank type 4 cassettes these days? TDK Australia confirmed they no longer make the MA-series. 3 What about the old faithful SA-90 and SAX-90, the only other type of tape I have used? I now have the service manual (from techman777) and as a broadcast engineer used to working on all manner of VTRs I can really appreciate the quality of the design considering it is just a cassette deck. The deck is 100% operational by the way, but of course given the age, I guess the belts and some caps are likely to give trouble some time soon. Thanks for any advice and Merry Christmas to all from Toowoomba Australia. Best wishes Avss01 (David) This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) From hsvanbeek at planet.nl Sat Dec 23 12:18:32 2006 From: hsvanbeek at planet.nl (Henk van Beek) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:18:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording Message-ID: <000001c72684$14d60f60$bb7ba8c0@HENK> If demagnetisation was necessary, why didn't all serious cassettedecks have that demag-tool included in the box, like Graham also suggested ? You buy a new deck for $ 3000,- without a necessary demag-tool of let's say $ 25,- ???? Nakamichi was also a commercial organisation ;-) You don't have to be a scientist to HEAR any difference in playback. Have you ever heard any difference before and after demagnetisation of a Nak ? Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you all. Greetings, Henk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Dec 23 13:41:28 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:41:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording Message-ID: Hello Henk! First of all...my heart fully greetings for this very soon coming new 2007 year...full of your best desires!!! Second...it's truth that Nak heads need less degauss times, that other brands...as write in the owner manuals at "Least" after 50 hours...I personally do it AFTER recording/listen TEN BOTH sides 90/100 minutes cassettes. The procedure is so easy for me that after more of 4 decades owning first R to R decks, & after only cassettes ones, I do' it automatically. Why Nak do not add their DM-10 demagnetizer together...that's it's another history; which really I don't have any seriously answer! Only I can say you that exist difference among before & after the demagnetizing procedure...more sweet, clear highs to my ears...also making a regularly heads & around them degaussing avoid "Self-erasing" of the highs tones on my recorded cassette. Peace, ALEX! Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:18:32 +0100From: hsvanbeek at planet.nlSubject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recordingTo: naktalk at naks.com If demagnetisation was necessary, why didn't all serious cassettedecks have that demag-tool included in the box, like Graham also suggested ? You buy a new deck for $ 3000,- without a necessary demag-tool of let's say $ 25,- ???? Nakamichi was also a commercial organisation ;-) You don't have to be a scientist to HEAR any difference in playback. Have you ever heard any difference before and after demagnetisation of a Nak ? Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you all. Greetings, Henk _________________________________________________________________ Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 23 15:29:51 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 06:29:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] FW: Belt kits and tapes?? In-Reply-To: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895192D91@babbage.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <20061223142951.31324.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> David, Welcome and Merry Xmas! Bob David King wrote: G'day from Down Under I am new to the list, having only joined yesterday. I am the original owner of a ZX-9 which I have loved from day 1. I was having a reshuffle of equipment in my wall unit to make some room for some new gear, namely a Yamaha CDR HD1500 hard disc recorder. As I was doing this I looked at my seldom used Nak and felt that old twinge of complete respect for a real piece of Hi Fi equipment. A feeling I seldom get these days with the plastic, digital junk we all seem to incorporate into our systems more through necessity than the desire for real audio quality. Anyway, I pulled the Nak out to move some shelves around, and for about a millisecond considered not putting the deck back, after all I hardly play it these days and could use the room for some new video based piece of gear..new PVR, DVD recorder what ever. Then it hit me, no way! This is a Nakamichi for goodness sake, you would never moth ball one of these. Then through naks.com I quickly realised I am certainly not alone which is great. My ZX-9 is a keeper, not one piece of gear other than maybe my amp even comes close to the quality of this thing. The very last recording I did on the deck was last year, when I did a mixed down stereo copy of the Eagles concert DVD (the one in the US not Melbourne) onto a new TDK MA-90 and the playback just astounds me. Any way you guys know all about that. I have some questions however, and please forgive me for asking something which I am sure has been answered over and over. 1 Is there somewhere you can still get genuine Nakamichi belt kits or kits that are guaranteed equivalents? (For the ZX-9) 2 Is eBay the only source of new blank type 4 cassettes these days? TDK Australia confirmed they no longer make the MA-series. 3 What about the old faithful SA-90 and SAX-90, the only other type of tape I have used? I now have the service manual (from techman777) and as a broadcast engineer used to working on all manner of VTRs I can really appreciate the quality of the design considering it is just a cassette deck. The deck is 100% operational by the way, but of course given the age, I guess the belts and some caps are likely to give trouble some time soon. Thanks for any advice and Merry Christmas to all from Toowoomba Australia. Best wishes Avss01 (David) This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Dec 23 15:47:06 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:47:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <000001c72684$14d60f60$bb7ba8c0@HENK> References: <000001c72684$14d60f60$bb7ba8c0@HENK> Message-ID: <458D416A.6010509@rcn.com> Henk van Beek wrote: > If demagnetisation was necessary, why didn't all serious cassettedecks > have that demag-tool included in the box, like Graham also suggested ? > You buy a new deck for $ 3000,- without a necessary demag-tool of let's > say $ 25,- ???? Well, there is no question that a car needs a change of oil every 3750 miles (or whatever). Why doesn't every $30,000 car come with a $20 oil change kit? My lawn mower requires the blade to be sharpened at least once per season. Whey didn't it come with a sharpening tool? All my air conditioners require filter cleaning every so often. Why did none of them come with the screwdriver required to do the job? And, in general, why don't any appliances come with the tools required for their routine maintenance? > Nakamichi was also a commercial organisation ;-) Certainly... Which is one reason their decks did not come with a demagnetizer :-). > You don't have to be a scientist to HEAR any difference in playback. > Have you ever heard any difference before and after demagnetisation of a > Nak ? That's because magnetized heads damage recordings by adding noise and attenuating high frequencies. Demagnetizing prevents future damage; it does not repair damage that has already been done. IOW, demagnetizing does not change the sound in any way. It only prevents it from changing -- to the worse -- in the future. If you compare a tape that has been played many times on a non-demagnetized head vs. one that has been played the same number of times on a regularly demagnetized head you *will* hear the (unrepairable) difference. > Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you all. To you, too, -- Ron > > Greetings, Henk > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sat Dec 23 17:22:24 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:22:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recordin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6bddc1110612230822l45724430ka972353b314015eb@mail.gmail.com> Seconded. There are both plainly hearable as well as measurable differences in audio from a tape deck upon demagnetizing after a lot of play. Tape deck manufacturers don't include demagnetizers with decks for the same reason they don't include cleaning apparatus or voltmeters: these are maintenance accessories that sell separately and not all tape deck manufacturers make them. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 23 17:59:07 2006 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:59:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays / Happy New Year Message-ID: I just want to take time out and wish all the Nakers in this group a happy holiday season. I also want to let everyone know I try and read all the postings each individual member makes. Lately I've been so busy with my employment and have found little time for my 6 Nakamichi decks. My latest addition is the Nakamichi ST-7 tuner. The unit keeps its memory with the station presets while the unit stays on but loses its memory when the unit is turned off. I am told it is a bad memory resistor. If there is any member who can repair this or any suggestions to where I can get this repaired please contact me off Naktalk. Thanks. - Mark Exstedt Phoenix, Arizona _________________________________________________________________ Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series. �Who will win? http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://davevscarl.spaces.live.com/?icid=T001MSN38C07001 From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 23 17:59:09 2006 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:59:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays / Happy New Year Message-ID: I just want to take time out and wish all the Nakers in this group a happy holiday season. I also want to let everyone know I try and read all the postings each individual member makes. Lately I've been so busy with my employment and have found little time for my 6 Nakamichi decks. My latest addition is the Nakamichi ST-7 tuner. The unit keeps its memory with the station presets while the unit stays on but loses its memory when the unit is turned off. I am told it is a bad memory resistor. If there is any member who can repair this or any suggestions to where I can get this repaired please contact me off Naktalk. Thanks. - Mark Exstedt Phoenix, Arizona _________________________________________________________________ Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series. �Who will win? http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://davevscarl.spaces.live.com/?icid=T001MSN38C07001 From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Dec 23 18:59:55 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:59:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <458D416A.6010509@rcn.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 23 December 2006 14:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording Henk van Beek wrote: > If demagnetisation was necessary, why didn't all serious cassettedecks > have that demag-tool included in the box, like Graham also suggested ? > You buy a new deck for $ 3000,- without a necessary demag-tool of let's > say $ 25,- ???? Well, there is no question that a car needs a change of oil every 3750 miles (or whatever). Why doesn't every $30,000 car come with a $20 oil change kit? My lawn mower requires the blade to be sharpened at least once per season. Whey didn't it come with a sharpening tool? All my air conditioners require filter cleaning every so often. Why did none of them come with the screwdriver required to do the job? Because not every Joe is capable of changing the vehicle's oil and would prefer a qualified mechanic to do it. De-magnetising a deck requires no skill - a lower order monkey could be trained to do it. Kermit's cat could probably do it. And, in general, why don't any appliances come with the tools required for their routine maintenance? Because most Joe's already have basic tools, such as a screw driver and hammer, for other purposes. > Nakamichi was also a commercial organisation ;-) Certainly... Which is one reason their decks did not come with a demagnetizer :-). You mean, they want(ed) us to spend more money whether or not we needed to do so! > You don't have to be a scientist to HEAR any difference in playback. > Have you ever heard any difference before and after demagnetisation of a > Nak ? That's because magnetized heads damage recordings by adding noise and attenuating high frequencies. Demagnetizing prevents future damage; it does not repair damage that has already been done. IOW, demagnetizing does not change the sound in any way. It only prevents it from changing -- to the worse -- in the future. If you compare a tape that has been played many times on a non-demagnetized head vs. one that has been played the same number of times on a regularly demagnetized head you *will* hear the (unrepairable) difference. Having said what I have, I agree demagging tape heads is a good thing. I hadn't thought of your explanation for doing so, but it seems very logical. My own experience replicates that of Alex and some of the others - i.e. a demagged replay head improves reproduction. Also, in a very cheap cassette deck, such as those horrible models that used to be fitted in early 1980's production line cars, it can reduce wow-like distortion in the replay of cassettes .... I presumed the magnetised heads were causing the tapes to "stick" on the heads and pull against the capstan (?) as I found that demagging them always cured the problem. Merry Christmas to those of you who celebrate it, and my best wishes for a healthy and successful 2007 to everyone. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Dec 23 21:44:33 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 15:44:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <458D9531.60602@rcn.com> Graham Nelson wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 23 December 2006 14:47 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording > > > Henk van Beek wrote: >>> If demagnetisation was necessary, why didn't all serious cassettedecks >>> have that demag-tool included in the box, like Graham also suggested ? >>> You buy a new deck for $ 3000,- without a necessary demag-tool of let's >>> say $ 25,- ???? >> >> Well, there is no question that a car needs a change >> of oil every 3750 miles (or whatever). Why doesn't >> every $30,000 car come with a $20 oil change kit? >> >> My lawn mower requires the blade to be sharpened at >> least once per season. Whey didn't it come with a >> sharpening tool? >> >> All my air conditioners require filter cleaning every >> so often. Why did none of them come with the screwdriver >> required to do the job? > > Because not every Joe is capable of changing the vehicle's oil and would > prefer a qualified mechanic to do it. De-magnetising a deck requires no > skill - a lower order monkey could be trained to do it. Kermit's cat could > probably do it. >> And, in general, why don't any appliances come with the >> tools required for their routine maintenance? > Because most Joe's already have basic tools, such as a screw driver and > hammer, for other purposes. As you well know, Graham, these are not the issue. The question was why didn't Naks come with the tool(s) necessary to perform required maintenance and because they didn't, wasn't that proof that the maintenance was not required. Whether the owner performs the job himself and whether they are likely to already own such tools is immaterial. In all the examples I noted, no product came with the tools necessary to perform REQUIRED maintenance. This is the norm. I am hard put to remember a manufacturer that deviates from this norm. >> Nakamichi was also a commercial organisation ;-) > > Certainly... Which is one reason their decks did not > come with a demagnetizer :-). > > You mean, they want(ed) us to spend more money whether or not we needed to > do so! That's most certainly was not what I meant. I don't see how you arrived at this conclusion. >>> You don't have to be a scientist to HEAR any difference in playback. >>> Have you ever heard any difference before and after demagnetisation of a >>> Nak ? >> >> That's because magnetized heads damage recordings >> by adding noise and attenuating high frequencies. >> Demagnetizing prevents future damage; it does not >> repair damage that has already been done. IOW, >> demagnetizing does not change the sound in any >> way. It only prevents it from changing -- to the >> worse -- in the future. >> >> If you compare a tape that has been played many >> times on a non-demagnetized head vs. one that has >> been played the same number of times on a regularly >> demagnetized head you *will* hear the (unrepairable) >> difference. > Having said what I have, I agree demagging tape heads is a good thing. So, all well that ends well... Happy holidays, -- Ron > I > hadn't thought of your explanation for doing so, but it seems very logical. > My own experience replicates that of Alex and some of the others - i.e. a > demagged replay head improves reproduction. Also, in a very cheap cassette > deck, such as those horrible models that used to be fitted in early 1980's > production line cars, it can reduce wow-like distortion in the replay of > cassettes .... I presumed the magnetised heads were causing the tapes to > "stick" on the heads and pull against the capstan (?) as I found that > demagging them always cured the problem. > > Merry Christmas to those of you who celebrate it, and my best wishes for a > healthy and successful 2007 to everyone. > > Gra' From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Dec 23 23:06:47 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:06:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <458D9531.60602@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001a01c726de$a4f9d4a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Well, my Aiwa AD3500 did have a built in demagnetiser. There was a push button on the front panel and the deck automatically did a demag each time it was powered up. Shaun From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sun Dec 24 00:45:19 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:45:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <001a01c726de$a4f9d4a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <001a01c726de$a4f9d4a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <458DBF8F.4090402@whiteapple.u-net.com> There must have been several models like that, my old Aiwa F770 also de-magnetised itself, there was an option with the acronym of ADMS (Auto De-Magnetising System) on the front panel. If I remember correctly, no one has actually recommended using the Nakamichi de-magnetiser and the virtues of the Han-D-Mag, from R. B. Annis have been extolled over all others.Curious that Nakamichi could make the best decks but not the best de-magnetisers ? Happy Christmas to all. Doug Locke. Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Well, my Aiwa AD3500 did have a built in demagnetiser. There was a push > button on the front panel and the deck automatically did a demag each time > it was powered up. > > Shaun > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 24 01:17:14 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:17:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-7 looses memory presets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <68519.65797.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I did the repair on my ST-7. There are two possible problems. One is the backup power capacitor has gone bad. This is a very common problem and is what was wrong with mine. The other is your tuner may need a circuit added that prevents current from flowing the wrong way during power down (or something like that, I don't remember exactly the details of the bulletin). I have the service bulletin somewhere, I'll need to dig it up. Like, I said it's most likely the 0.047uF, backup capacitor. I found a replacement at Mouser (mouser.com), P/N 555-47Z5.5 The part is listed on their web site for $1.76 each. Since technology has come a long way since then, you might want to go up to the 0.22F model which is P/N 555-220Z5.5 and cost $2.43. It comes in the same size case. It should give you longer backup period. Like I said I replaced mine (with the 0.047F cap listed above) and it has kept my memory presets for a month. I haven't tried any longer than that yet. I'm planning on placing an order with mouser in the next couple weeks, to buy more parts for my IR Remote receiver, so if you want you can send me the tuner and I can do the repair. The ST-7 is sort of a mess inside with all the wires going everywhere. It's not a difficult repair, but, it's not easy. Also when I did the repair on mine I found a few electrolytic capacitors that had started to leak and needed replacing. I have most of the other caps in stock already. BTW - Are you interested in a IR remote receiver for the ST-7? I'm planning on making a version of my tape deck remote receiver for the ST-7. It would work with any universal remote set for Sony tuner/receiver and would deplicate the controls normally found on the CA-7A preamp remote for the ST-7. SJ --- Mark Exstedt wrote: > I just want to take time out and wish all the Nakers in this group > a happy > holiday season. I also want to let everyone know I try and read all > the > postings each individual member makes. Lately I've been so busy > with my > employment and have found little time for my 6 Nakamichi decks. > > My latest addition is the Nakamichi ST-7 tuner. The unit keeps its > memory > with the station presets while the unit stays on but loses its > memory when > the unit is turned off. I am told it is a bad memory resistor. If > there is > any member who can repair this or any suggestions to where I can > get this > repaired please contact me off Naktalk. > > Thanks. > > - Mark Exstedt > Phoenix, Arizona > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series.  Who will > win? > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://davevscarl.spaces.live.com/?icid=T001MSN38C07001 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 24 15:12:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:12:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-7 looses memory presets In-Reply-To: <68519.65797.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <68519.65797.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <458E8AB7.40701@rcn.com> Just to set the record straight, the back up cap value is 0.047F (not uF). That's 47000uF. Common typo. -- Ron Scott Johnson wrote: > I did the repair on my ST-7. There are two possible problems. One > is the backup power capacitor has gone bad. This is a very common > problem and is what was wrong with mine. The other is your tuner may > need a circuit added that prevents current from flowing the wrong way > during power down (or something like that, I don't remember exactly > the details of the bulletin). I have the service bulletin somewhere, > I'll need to dig it up. > > Like, I said it's most likely the 0.047uF, backup capacitor. I found > a replacement at Mouser (mouser.com), P/N 555-47Z5.5 The part is > listed on their web site for $1.76 each. Since technology has come a > long way since then, you might want to go up to the 0.22F model which > is P/N 555-220Z5.5 and cost $2.43. It comes in the same size case. > It should give you longer backup period. Like I said I replaced mine > (with the 0.047F cap listed above) and it has kept my memory presets > for a month. I haven't tried any longer than that yet. I'm planning > on placing an order with mouser in the next couple weeks, to buy more > parts for my IR Remote receiver, so if you want you can send me the > tuner and I can do the repair. The ST-7 is sort of a mess inside > with all the wires going everywhere. It's not a difficult repair, > but, it's not easy. Also when I did the repair on mine I found a few > electrolytic capacitors that had started to leak and needed > replacing. I have most of the other caps in stock already. > > BTW - Are you interested in a IR remote receiver for the ST-7? I'm > planning on making a version of my tape deck remote receiver for the > ST-7. It would work with any universal remote set for Sony > tuner/receiver and would deplicate the controls normally found on the > CA-7A preamp remote for the ST-7. > > SJ > > --- Mark Exstedt wrote: > >> I just want to take time out and wish all the Nakers in this group >> a happy >> holiday season. I also want to let everyone know I try and read all >> the >> postings each individual member makes. Lately I've been so busy >> with my >> employment and have found little time for my 6 Nakamichi decks. >> >> My latest addition is the Nakamichi ST-7 tuner. The unit keeps its >> memory >> with the station presets while the unit stays on but loses its >> memory when >> the unit is turned off. I am told it is a bad memory resistor. If >> there is >> any member who can repair this or any suggestions to where I can >> get this >> repaired please contact me off Naktalk. >> >> Thanks. >> >> - Mark Exstedt >> Phoenix, Arizona > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Dec 24 15:42:26 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:42:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <001a01c726de$a4f9d4a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: I'd forgotten about the Aiwa with included demag' - it was a very neat idea. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: 23 December 2006 22:07 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording Well, my Aiwa AD3500 did have a built in demagnetiser. There was a push button on the front panel and the deck automatically did a demag each time it was powered up. Shaun ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 24 16:33:31 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 07:33:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-7 looses memory presets In-Reply-To: <458E8AB7.40701@rcn.com> Message-ID: <813344.11771.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Damn it. My brain was thinking Farad, but, my fingers typed microFarad. I got it right below for the 0.22F caps though. Good catch Ron, SJ --- Ron wrote: > > Just to set the record straight, the back up cap value > is 0.047F (not uF). That's 47000uF. Common typo. > > -- Ron > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > I did the repair on my ST-7. There are two possible problems. > One > > is the backup power capacitor has gone bad. This is a very > common > > problem and is what was wrong with mine. The other is your tuner > may > > need a circuit added that prevents current from flowing the wrong > way > > during power down (or something like that, I don't remember > exactly > > the details of the bulletin). I have the service bulletin > somewhere, > > I'll need to dig it up. > > > > Like, I said it's most likely the 0.047uF, backup capacitor. I > found > > a replacement at Mouser (mouser.com), P/N 555-47Z5.5 The part is > > listed on their web site for $1.76 each. Since technology has > come a > > long way since then, you might want to go up to the 0.22F model > which > > is P/N 555-220Z5.5 and cost $2.43. It comes in the same size > case. > > It should give you longer backup period. Like I said I replaced > mine > > (with the 0.047F cap listed above) and it has kept my memory > presets > > for a month. I haven't tried any longer than that yet. I'm > planning > > on placing an order with mouser in the next couple weeks, to buy > more > > parts for my IR Remote receiver, so if you want you can send me > the > > tuner and I can do the repair. The ST-7 is sort of a mess inside > > with all the wires going everywhere. It's not a difficult > repair, > > but, it's not easy. Also when I did the repair on mine I found a > few > > electrolytic capacitors that had started to leak and needed > > replacing. I have most of the other caps in stock already. > > > > BTW - Are you interested in a IR remote receiver for the ST-7? > I'm > > planning on making a version of my tape deck remote receiver for > the > > ST-7. It would work with any universal remote set for Sony > > tuner/receiver and would deplicate the controls normally found on > the > > CA-7A preamp remote for the ST-7. > > > > SJ > > > > --- Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > >> I just want to take time out and wish all the Nakers in this > group > >> a happy > >> holiday season. I also want to let everyone know I try and read > all > >> the > >> postings each individual member makes. Lately I've been so busy > >> with my > >> employment and have found little time for my 6 Nakamichi decks. > >> > >> My latest addition is the Nakamichi ST-7 tuner. The unit keeps > its > >> memory > >> with the station presets while the unit stays on but loses its > >> memory when > >> the unit is turned off. I am told it is a bad memory resistor. > If > >> there is > >> any member who can repair this or any suggestions to where I can > >> get this > >> repaired please contact me off Naktalk. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> - Mark Exstedt > >> Phoenix, Arizona > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From soumitra at soumitrab.com Mon Dec 25 12:55:06 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 17:25:06 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Xmas Wishes Message-ID: <003801c7281b$86e0dca0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Wish you all and your Naks a Merry Christmas and many more christmases to come. Best Soumi From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 25 15:28:08 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 06:28:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Xmas Wishes In-Reply-To: <003801c7281b$86e0dca0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <15728.25191.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Merry Xmas to you too! I think everyone should blast some Xmas music on a Nak! Your family and friends won't believe they're listening to a cassette! Bob soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Wish you all and your Naks a Merry Christmas and many more christmases to come. Best Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Mon Dec 25 16:29:15 2006 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:29:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Xmas Wishes Message-ID: The very best to all Nakers whereever you are. As another new year approaches , I remain excited about my Naks as many of you are and sometimes I put these babies before my real babies and that kind of scares me. The amazing recordings you can get on such an inexpensive format is sometimes mindboggling. I have often read and believe that the quality of a Nak recording is dependent on the source. So the better the source the better the recording. As I attend my family functions today, I always seek any quality time I can sneek away to be with my Nakimichites. The very best to all of you. regards boogie ________________________________ > Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 06:28:08 -0800 > From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Xmas Wishes > To: soumitra at soumitrab.com; naktalk at naks.com > CC: > > Merry Xmas to you too! I think everyone should blast some Xmas music on a Nak! > Your family and friends won't believe they're listening to a cassette! > Bob > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Wish you all and your Naks a Merry Christmas and many more christmases to > come. > Best > Soumi > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From rjkent at comcast.net Mon Dec 25 18:29:12 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:29:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] SJs Nak IR Remote Message-ID: <000001c7284a$320640b0$0301a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> A plug for Scott's (SJ) IR Remote: I got one of his first runs and have tried it on my CR-4, CR-5, Dragon, and RX-505 so far. It works great, operates all functions including reverse on the Dragon and RX-505, and is very compact and unobtrusive. I have experimented a bit using my Sony RM-AV3000 Remote. When jumpered: Jmp/Jmp, it responds perfectly to the VCR3 setting, and when jumpered: Jmp/Open, it responds perfectly to the VCR2 setting. Mine has a minor bug that Scott is helping me trace......right now I have to use the external power supply with all decks because the power coming from the CR-4 and CR-5 is not integrating properly. Of course, the Dragon and RX-505 need the external power supply anyway since the DIN remote jack does not supply power at all. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Dec 25 21:42:38 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 20:42:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Xmas Wishes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c72865$384c4940$7300a8c0@Shaun> Well, Boogie, I echo that sentiment. For a few days now, my setup in the lounge has been partially defunct as the right hand channel of my Rotel 840B amp went down and I was a little pre-occupied on the run up to Xmas to do anything about it, resolving to tackle it early in the New Year. The Aiwa 3500 cassette deck has been defunct for some time now, with a Tascam 122 or Nak 550 sitting on the floor taking its place until I decided when to update the setup. I had already bought a Nakamichi Receiver 1 and a BX-300. I also inherited an old cabinet built by my wife's grandfather when he was in Cyprus and it then housed a wind up record player and horn. This had been adapted by wife's aunt to hold her TV and stereo player so it didn't need anything doing to it to be pressed into housing the Receiver and cassette deck, together with my Thorens TD 125 and (don't laugh) Philips CD 104 player. And there it remained; none of the components either connected to the mains or each other, just ready in waiting on the side wall of the lounge, where my wife preferred it to remain from an aesthetical point of view. From my point of view it was just too far from the TV/video/DVD player and speakers. I had also wanted (though unable to achieve) the TV to sit in between the my Rogers LS6 speakers, but no, the corner is the place that the TV is relegated to. Now with the sound reproduction cut in half, the ugliness of "that box" on the floor and a unit stand that was overcrowding the corner and housing a dead Aiwa and half dead Rotel amp a decision was made on Xmas Eve that something had to be done before "mother" comes tomorrow! So, a nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse and needed no further prodding. I wasn't successful in negotiating the TV in the middle but I was able to get the "Cyprus" cabinet moved into the other corner. So, as you can imagine, some rapid hi-fi taking down and reinstalling took place with the only extra needed being a 10m phono stereo lead to join the Video/DVD to the system. Everything went pretty well with only hitch being the first trial of the TV/Video/DVD setup. At first nothing at all until I realised that I was changing TV stations on the TV remote instead of Video/TV player. So now all I need to do is sit back and enjoy my music once more in the comfort of my lounge instead of just in the study. Merry Xmas to one & all. Shaun From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Dec 27 04:55:35 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:55:35 EST Subject: [naktalk] happy holidays and happy new year to all! 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The listing starts December 31, and runs for a week. John From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 27 09:22:42 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:22:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year and a Welcome for the youngest Nakker In-Reply-To: <46f.270732a0.32c348b7@aol.com> Message-ID: <20061227082242.31749.qmail@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, Here's my belated Christmas, New Year and Season Greetings to all of you! I would also like to announce the arrival of the first of the next generation of Naktalkers, Bala Jr. Best Wishes to All! Bala Ganesh, Bala Jr BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone! Have been busy! these few months! How has everyone been . Kermit you still here?! happy new year ! From Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Dec 27 13:37:15 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 07:37:15 EST Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year and a Welcome for the youngest Nakker Message-ID: Hi Bala, Congartulations on being a father!! and happy new year. Hope to find time to fix my Nakamichi 1000 zxl in coming months. Any further advice on how the best to repair it?!! you are already familiar with the problem I am having with it. Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Dec 27 15:50:14 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:50:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year and a Welcome for the youngest Nakker In-Reply-To: <20061227082242.31749.qmail@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <46f.270732a0.32c348b7@aol.com> <20061227082242.31749.qmail@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612270650o168e2e89u6d99219e52588154@mail.gmail.com> Congratulations! What a fantastic holiday gift! -Tim On 12/27/06, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > Here's my belated Christmas, New Year and Season Greetings to > all of you! I would also like to announce the arrival of the first of the > next generation of Naktalkers, Bala Jr. > > Best Wishes to All! > > Bala Ganesh, Bala Jr > > > *BOEING747600 at aol.com* wrote: > > Hi Everyone! Have been busy! these few months! How has everyone been . > Kermit you still here?! happy new year ! > > From > > Ali > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Trying to knock down the wow & flutter on one of the CR7's Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From flifton at mac.com Wed Dec 27 20:40:00 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:40:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays everyone In-Reply-To: <200612241100.kBOB05CR028734@zxe.naks.com> References: <200612241100.kBOB05CR028734@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Best wishes for the season and a happy and prosperous New Year for everyone. May the international cooperation of this list spread peace everywhere. cheers, Fred From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Dec 27 21:07:12 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:07:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year and a Welcome for the youngest Nakker Message-ID: Bravo Bala!!!! My best wishes ever!!! Now the Nak heritage will continue!!! Peace, alex! Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:50:14 -0600From: tim.skorick at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year and a Welcome for the youngest NakkerCongratulations! What a fantastic holiday gift!-Tim On 12/27/06, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Everyone, Here's my belated Christmas, New Year and Season Greetings to all of you! I would also like to announce the arrival of the first of the next generation of Naktalkers, Bala Jr. Best Wishes to All! Bala Ganesh, Bala Jr BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone! Have been busy! these few months! How has everyone been . Kermit you still here?! happy new year ! 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 27 17:08:14 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:08:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Selling EC-100 and PS-100 soon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061227100814.0083cc90@earthlink.net> I have repair schematics for the EC-100 if anyone needs it. Buy 2 620 amplifiers and bi-amp! tom brucker At 10:52 PM 12/26/06 -0800, you wrote: >I'm selling my EC-100 crossover and PS-100 power supply soon on eBay, and >I noticed that there wasn't a picture of the EC-100 on naks.com. Where >should I send the pictures that I took? They also include enough >information to inferr the general specifications (crossover slope and >center frequencies). > >And if anyone is interested in purchasing them, let me know in advance. >Unfortunately, one channel on the low-pass output got fried when an >earlier power supply went out, but the PS-100 is in great condition. > >The listing starts December 31, and runs for a week. > >John >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 27 22:47:47 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:47:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7: Auto calibration & recording In-Reply-To: <001a01c726de$a4f9d4a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <458D9531.60602@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061227154747.0083b1d0@earthlink.net> It is not the same, sorry. All metal parts in the tape path can become magnetized. My favorite magnetized part is the head mount bracket when a magnetized screwdriver is used for azimuth adjustments. tom brucker At 10:06 PM 12/23/06 -0000, you wrote: >Well, my Aiwa AD3500 did have a built in demagnetiser. There was a push >button on the front panel and the deck automatically did a demag each time >it was powered up. > >Shaun > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 27 23:13:54 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:13:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year and a Welcome for the youngest Nakker In-Reply-To: <20061227082242.31749.qmail@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <46f.270732a0.32c348b7@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061227161354.0083d850@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1766 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lists at richardhess.com Wed Dec 27 23:40:57 2006 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:40:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061210162428.007d9430@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20061210162428.007d9430@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200612272246.kBRMkj3G010306@zxe.naks.com> Hello Tom and all, I thought you might be interested in what I found when I dug into the cassette EQ mess. It was a matter of saving face for a large number of companies... See: http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/05/17/cassette-equalization-the-4-db-ambiguity-at-16-khz/ Happy Holidays! Richard At 05:24 PM 2006-12-10, Hi Tech wrote: >Since playback treble is EQ's to +2 on playback, record EQ is -2dB. This >difference makes Nak recorded tapes play back with less"air" on decks that >have extended treble. The difference is small. My take is that it is >tolerable, unless the listener insists on perfection. >That being said, the Nakamichi take ALSO has less noise and lower THD/IM >distortion than tapes made on other decks, since they almost always record >OVER peak bias and have a 2dB advantage in the saturation department. Dolby >B makes these differences even more audible. I feel comfortable giving up >2dB above 14kHz for better sound throughout. > >tom brucker Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Dec 28 01:18:00 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:18:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year and a Welcome for the youngest Nakker In-Reply-To: <20061227082242.31749.qmail@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hearty congratulations, Bala!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 27 December 2006 08:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year and a Welcome for the youngest Nakker Hi Everyone, Here's my belated Christmas, New Year and Season Greetings to all of you! I would also like to announce the arrival of the first of the next generation of Naktalkers, Bala Jr. Best Wishes to All! Bala Ganesh, Bala Jr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 28 01:38:04 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:38:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year and a Welcome for the youngest Nakker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <792298.78178.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Congrats Bala! Hang on tight, it's a wild ride for the next 18 years! am Nelson wrote: Hearty congratulations, Bala!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 27 December 2006 08:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year and a Welcome for the youngest Nakker Hi Everyone, Here's my belated Christmas, New Year and Season Greetings to all of you! I would also like to announce the arrival of the first of the next generation of Naktalkers, Bala Jr. Best Wishes to All! Bala Ganesh, Bala Jr ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Thu Dec 28 02:06:31 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:06:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Gnu Year! Message-ID: http://su2.info/graphics/gnu_tux/gnu_tux-1600x1200.jpg -- I am enjoying the greetings from all over the globe. Thiscoming year is probably the year I end up with a top tier cassette deck. Maybe not a Nak, but there are so many fine machines. Thanks to W.H. for another great year of Natalk!! From ti at amb.org Thu Dec 28 05:25:40 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:25:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <200612272246.kBRMkj3G010306@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20061228042540.E056E1EE6D@smtp.amb.org> Richard L. Hess writes: > I thought you might be interested in what I found when I dug into the > cassette EQ mess. It was a matter of saving face for a large number > of companies... > > See: > > http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/05/17/cassette-equalization-the-4-db-ambiguity-at-16-khz/ Thanks Richard, that is a very intriguing piece of history. -Ti From kjbleus at charter.net Thu Dec 28 15:09:59 2006 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:09:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Azimuth & Equalization effects on different decks Message-ID: <001f01c72a89$dc780dd0$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> Richard - Thanks for sharing your media restoration tips and notes, an excellent and useful compilation of information. In the Modern Recoridng & Music Journal, dated Jan 1982, there was a good question & answer on equalization and azimuth effects, IEC calibration standards, particularly regarding the Nakamichi cassette decks record/playback performance of that era. Along with that info, Nakamichi Research published a technical bulletin covering playback equalization issues (dated 1982). I found that in a Nakamichi pro audio marketing package of reference materials I grabbed several years ago from a closeout of a Nak gear dealer in NYC. Intriguing how Nakamichi had to defend their technical capabilities to the audio gear industry pundits during the early 1980s. For many of us, there is so much to learn, so little time and materials available in which to learn it all. Again, thanks for sharing your wealth of technical knowledge with us mere mortal Nak gear aficianodos!!! As the year 2006 closes upon us, I'd like to extend seasons greetings to all NakTalkers around the world. Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html --- Forwaded message --- Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:25:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. To: naktalk at naks.com Richard L. Hess wrote:: > I thought you might be interested in what I found when I dug into the > cassette EQ mess. It was a matter of saving face for a large number > of companies... > > See: > > http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/05/17/cassette-equalization-the-4-db-ambiguity-at-16-khz/ > > --- End Forwaded message --- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Dec 28 17:03:04 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:03:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Azimuth & Equalization effects on different decks In-Reply-To: <001f01c72a89$dc780dd0$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> References: <001f01c72a89$dc780dd0$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612280803v4aca2156n769fc13d3415027a@mail.gmail.com> Wow! Technical bulletins and articles like that are stuff I would love to get a scan of -- are they online somewhere or maybe still laying around? -Tim On 12/28/06, KJ Bleus wrote: > > *Richard - Thanks for sharing your media restoration tips and notes, an > excellent and useful compilation of information. * > ** > *In the Modern Recoridng & Music Journal, dated Jan 1982, there was a > good question & answer on equalization and azimuth effects, IEC calibration > standards, particularly regarding the Nakamichi cassette decks > record/playback performance of that era. Along with that info, > Nakamichi Research published a technical bulletin covering playback > equalization issues (dated 1982). I found that in a Nakamichi pro audio > marketing package of reference materials I grabbed several years ago from a > closeout of a Nak gear dealer in NYC. Intriguing how Nakamichi had to > defend their technical capabilities to the audio gear industry pundits > during the early 1980s. For many of us, there is s**o much to learn, so > little time and materials available in which to learn it all. Again, thanks > for sharing your wealth of technical knowledge with us mere mortal Nak gear > aficianodos!!!* > ** > *As the year 2006 closes upon us, I'd like to extend seasons greetings to > all NakTalkers around the world.* > ** > *Regards,* > ** > *K.J. Bleus* > *Madison, Wisc USA* > *Lat 43°02'45"N, Long 89°27'10"W > > **http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html* > ** > ** > --- Forwaded message --- > ** ** > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:25:40 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Richard L. Hess wrote:: > > I thought you might be interested in what I found when I dug into the > > cassette EQ mess. It was a matter of saving face for a large number > > of companies... > > > > See: > > > > > http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/05/17/cassette-equalization-the-4-db-ambiguity-at-16-khz/ > *>* > *>* > --- End Forwaded message --- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 28 17:25:22 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:25:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <200612272246.kBRMkj3G010306@zxe.naks.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20061210162428.007d9430@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20061210162428.007d9430@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061228102522.0083bbc0@earthlink.net> "As the world turns" I guess the important point is what can we expect sound-wise when we move tapes from one machine to another??? Tapes recorded on a Nak will playback on IEC decks with less air? Tapes recorded on IEC decks will sound brighter when played on a Nak? My guess is that in a perfectly calibrated world, a listener might hear differences. In the real Dolby B universe, frequency response and record level calibration errors, track alignment, tape skew, and self erasure render all this stuff 'argument for argument's sake'. I am saying that the list of gross errors overwhelm the error created by different Playback frequency standards. Interesting that Philips referred to frequencies above 12.5kHz as "optional". Doesn't the 1000ZXl go one octave above "optional"? tom brucker At 05:40 PM 12/27/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Tom and all, > >I thought you might be interested in what I found when I dug into the >cassette EQ mess. It was a matter of saving face for a large number >of companies... > >See: > >http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/05/17/cassette-equalization-the-4-db-ambi guity-at-16-khz/ > >Happy Holidays! > >Richard > >At 05:24 PM 2006-12-10, Hi Tech wrote: >>Since playback treble is EQ's to +2 on playback, record EQ is -2dB. This >>difference makes Nak recorded tapes play back with less"air" on decks that >>have extended treble. The difference is small. My take is that it is >>tolerable, unless the listener insists on perfection. >>That being said, the Nakamichi take ALSO has less noise and lower THD/IM >>distortion than tapes made on other decks, since they almost always record >>OVER peak bias and have a 2dB advantage in the saturation department. Dolby >>B makes these differences even more audible. I feel comfortable giving up >>2dB above 14kHz for better sound throughout. >> >>tom brucker > >Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 29 02:31:54 2006 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:31:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI DRAGON CASSETTE Box Draws Big Bucks Message-ID: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140067965468&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11 >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To add to your watch list, click: >http://cgi1.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MakeTrack&item=140067965468&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:3 >See similar items at: >http://search.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-ORIGINAL-DOUBLE-BOX-BUY-NOW_W0QQsacatZ64598QQssPageNameZADME-B-EF-US-4 > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Details for item number: 140067965468 >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Item URL: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140067965468&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11 _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 From covellite at cox.net Fri Dec 29 05:14:13 2006 From: covellite at cox.net (Michael W. Brewster) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:14:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a Nakamichi 670ZX cassette deck Message-ID: <45949615.50402@cox.net> Hello, everyone. It looks like I may have gotten burned on a Nakamichi 670ZX cassette deck I bought on eBay. The unit had been represented to me as working for the previous owner, as recently as last September. I tested the unit upon its arrival to discover that the Play function is not working. FF , Pause, RW, and VU meters seem OK. However, the Play runs the tape at a very high speed when played from the beginning of the tape. As the tape progresses, the Play speeds up and slows down in ever-widening whirring spurts. When the middle of the tape is reached, the tape simply shifts to Stop mode. Also, a brief whirring, squeaking mechanical noise comes from inside the deck when the tape is manually stopped at any point in the play and also when it stops by itself . I'm not a tech, so I'm anticipating this could be a costly and prohibitive repair, unless it's a simple and quick fix I can do myself. Does anyone out there have any familiarity with this type of problem and this deck? Comments and suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks. From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Dec 29 05:44:40 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:44:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a Nakamichi 670ZX cassette deck In-Reply-To: <45949615.50402@cox.net> References: <45949615.50402@cox.net> Message-ID: Make accusations. Demand a full refund, but settle for half of your money back.call Hi-tech. On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:14:13 -0600, Michael W. Brewster wrote: > Hello, everyone. It looks like I may have gotten burned on a Nakamichi > 670ZX cassette deck I bought on eBay. The unit had been represented to > me as working for the previous owner, as recently as last September. I > tested the unit upon its arrival to discover that the Play function is > not working. FF , Pause, RW, and VU meters seem OK. However, the Play > runs the tape at a very high speed when played from the beginning of the > tape. As the tape progresses, the Play speeds up and slows down in > ever-widening whirring spurts. When the middle of the tape is reached, > the tape simply shifts to Stop mode. Also, a brief whirring, squeaking > mechanical noise comes from inside the deck when the tape is manually > stopped at any point in the play and also when it stops by itself . I'm > not a tech, so I'm anticipating this could be a costly and prohibitive > repair, unless it's a simple and quick fix I can do myself. Does anyone > out there have any familiarity with this type of problem and this deck? > Comments and suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 29 05:49:10 2006 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:49:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon cassette boxes Message-ID: Silly Nakamichi Dragon cassette boxes draw $68 plus shipping charges. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140067965468&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11 _________________________________________________________________ Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series. �Who will win? http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://davevscarl.spaces.live.com/?icid=T001MSN38C07001 From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 05:56:01 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:56:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a Nakamichi 670ZX cassette deck In-Reply-To: <45949615.50402@cox.net> Message-ID: <20061229045601.5583.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The speed problem is probably the pinch roller pivot. Take off the door and play a tape. The rubber pinch rollers should come up and engage the tape and capstan. It is common for the pinch roller pivot to get gummed up with old grease and not swing easily. What you need to do is loosen up the hardened grease and replace it with fresh oil. It is important to do this without moving the shaft of the pinch roller as this will cause the pinch rollers to be out of alignment and require alignment fixtures to get them back. Try using >98% alcohol on the pivot and try working it in by going into play and lightly forcing the pinch roller up toward the tape then going into stop. The problem of the squeal when going into stop is discussed in Nakamichi Service Information NR-0040. I have a copy on the web here. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_NR-0040.gif This is an easy fix. --- "Michael W. Brewster" wrote: > Hello, everyone. It looks like I may have gotten burned on a > Nakamichi > 670ZX cassette deck I bought on eBay. The unit had been represented > to > me as working for the previous owner, as recently as last > September. I > tested the unit upon its arrival to discover that the Play function > is > not working. FF , Pause, RW, and VU meters seem OK. However, the > Play > runs the tape at a very high speed when played from the beginning > of the > tape. As the tape progresses, the Play speeds up and slows down in > > ever-widening whirring spurts. When the middle of the tape is > reached, > the tape simply shifts to Stop mode. Also, a brief whirring, > squeaking > mechanical noise comes from inside the deck when the tape is > manually > stopped at any point in the play and also when it stops by itself . > I'm > not a tech, so I'm anticipating this could be a costly and > prohibitive > repair, unless it's a simple and quick fix I can do myself. Does > anyone > out there have any familiarity with this type of problem and this > deck? > Comments and suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Dec 29 06:00:08 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:00:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a Nakamichi 670ZX cassette deck In-Reply-To: References: <45949615.50402@cox.net> Message-ID: <6bddc1110612282100s326b0a42he80644527c72bab5@mail.gmail.com> Check the idler tire. The tire for the 670 is larger and shouldn't wear out as quickly as the smaller tire for the Sankyo mechanism, but it still needs replaced. Some of these symptoms might be due to this. As for the playback issue, remove the cover and see how quickly the transport engages when you press play. I've seen buildup in places like the pinch rollers and pivots as well as worn capstan belts on Naks that hadn't been properly maintained, it might just need some cleaning and replacement of a couple worn parts. -Tim On 12/28/06, jerryjg wrote: > > Make accusations. Demand a full refund, but settle for half of > your money > back.callHi-tech. On > Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:14:13 -0600, Michael > W. Brewster wrote: > > > Hello, everyone. It looks like I may have gotten burned on a Nakamichi > > 670ZX cassette deck I bought on eBay. The unit had been represented to > > me as working for the previous owner, as recently as last September. I > > tested the unit upon its arrival to discover that the Play function is > > not working. FF , Pause, RW, and VU meters seem OK. However, the Play > > runs the tape at a very high speed when played from the beginning of the > > tape. As the tape progresses, the Play speeds up and slows down in > > ever-widening whirring spurts. When the middle of the tape is reached, > > the tape simply shifts to Stop mode. Also, a brief whirring, squeaking > > mechanical noise comes from inside the deck when the tape is manually > > stopped at any point in the play and also when it stops by itself . I'm > > not a tech, so I'm anticipating this could be a costly and prohibitive > > repair, unless it's a simple and quick fix I can do myself. Does anyone > > out there have any familiarity with this type of problem and this deck? > > Comments and suggestions will be appreciated. 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 06:00:54 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:00:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon cassette boxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <103268.24105.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, he has a 700II original box on eBay now. It's currently at $9.99 with 1 bid. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140067965468 Speaking of boxes, check out this guys collection of original nak boxes. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220066205940 SJ --- Mark Exstedt wrote: > Silly Nakamichi Dragon cassette boxes draw $68 plus shipping > charges. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140067965468&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series.  Who will > win? > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://davevscarl.spaces.live.com/?icid=T001MSN38C07001 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 29 16:46:15 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:46:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a Nakamichi 670ZX cassette deck In-Reply-To: <45949615.50402@cox.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061229094615.00848c20@earthlink.net> I agree with the gummy pinch roller shaft. Another pinch problem was observed in a machine shipped from South America. Shipping shock had bent the pinch spring eyelets so the metal would bind and rollers would not engage. I had to remove the rollers and epoxy the eyelet. This operation cannot be done unless you have a guide alignment jig, either Nakamichi or iInformation Terminals. I suspect the whirrring and squeaking are likely cam belt slipping, and record head azimuth belt slipping. Unless an eBay deck is sold with some sort of service receipt I would bid expecting to spend 100 bucks for service. (advice would not apply to DR series or the cassette x series). The 580/680 are 25 years old! tom brucker At 08:14 PM 12/28/06 -0800, you wrote: >Hello, everyone. It looks like I may have gotten burned on a Nakamichi >670ZX cassette deck I bought on eBay. The unit had been represented to >me as working for the previous owner, as recently as last September. I >tested the unit upon its arrival to discover that the Play function is >not working. FF , Pause, RW, and VU meters seem OK. However, the Play >runs the tape at a very high speed when played from the beginning of the >tape. As the tape progresses, the Play speeds up and slows down in >ever-widening whirring spurts. When the middle of the tape is reached, >the tape simply shifts to Stop mode. Also, a brief whirring, squeaking >mechanical noise comes from inside the deck when the tape is manually >stopped at any point in the play and also when it stops by itself . I'm >not a tech, so I'm anticipating this could be a costly and prohibitive >repair, unless it's a simple and quick fix I can do myself. Does anyone >out there have any familiarity with this type of problem and this deck? >Comments and suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From geospa at hotmail.com Sat Dec 30 00:13:11 2006 From: geospa at hotmail.com (geo spa) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:13:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Santa brought me a nak that plays too fast! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually it was my girlfriend, she bought me an LX-3 for x-mas but i noticed it plays slightly fast. other than that, she picked a nice one. Question for all should i.... 1. tweek the motor by ear (or is this is no no) so i can play with it awhile until it's out of her mind. 2. Send it off to the experts and have to explain why her gift has "gone away". thanks and happy new year to all of you. rich _________________________________________________________________ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place! �MSN Shopping Sales & Deals http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200639 From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Dec 30 01:12:39 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:12:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Santa brought me a nak that plays too fast! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You lucky guy! What a woman! Does she have a sister with a similar temperament as I am looking to trade in the current Mrs Nelson for a new model ... Personally, I'd tell her you value the gift so much you want to have it serviced properly ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of geo spa Sent: 29 December 2006 23:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Santa brought me a nak that plays too fast! Actually it was my girlfriend, she bought me an LX-3 for x-mas but i noticed it plays slightly fast. other than that, she picked a nice one. Question for all should i.... 1. tweek the motor by ear (or is this is no no) so i can play with it awhile until it's out of her mind. 2. Send it off to the experts and have to explain why her gift has "gone away". thanks and happy new year to all of you. rich ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Dec 30 13:15:00 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:15:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Santa brought me a nak that plays too fast! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:13:11 +0000, "geo spa" wrote: >Actually it was my girlfriend, she bought me an LX-3 for x-mas but i noticed >it plays slightly fast. >other than that, she picked a nice one. Where do I find a girlfriend like yours? :) -Mikkel From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 30 16:32:29 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 07:32:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Santa brought me a nak that plays too fast! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <172226.65409.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Now Mrs Bala can tell the difference between the various Nak models, and that is good enough for me. She also knows the conveniences because she has ample supply of Q-tips and cotton swabs thanks to the decks. Rich, if all else is alright with the deck, I think you can increase the speed of the deck. Best is to do this with either a 'scope, frequency counter or a multimeter with a freq. option. You could also do a course adjustment by ear for the moment. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh Graham Nelson wrote: You lucky guy! What a woman! Does she have a sister with a similar temperament as I am looking to trade in the current Mrs Nelson for a new model ... Personally, I'd tell her you value the gift so much you want to have it serviced properly ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of geo spa Sent: 29 December 2006 23:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Santa brought me a nak that plays too fast! Actually it was my girlfriend, she bought me an LX-3 for x-mas but i noticed it plays slightly fast. other than that, she picked a nice one. Question for all should i.... 1. tweek the motor by ear (or is this is no no) so i can play with it awhile until it's out of her mind. 2. Send it off to the experts and have to explain why her gift has "gone away". thanks and happy new year to all of you. rich ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Sat Dec 30 17:22:04 2006 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (DERRICK G BECKNER) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:22:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Santa brought me a nak that plays too fast! Message-ID: <1167495722l.1024128l.0l@psu.edu> Hello all, Good to be back after a hiatus. I've got quite a few decks with weird speed issues. I keep a factory copy of Phil Collins "Face Value" in both cassette and CD and play both at the same time until they are in sync. It might not be perfect, but it will get you nearly right on. So just get a factory copy of an alblum you are very familiar with. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at NZNET.GEN.NZ Sat Dec 30 20:31:16 2006 From: shorty at NZNET.GEN.NZ (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 08:31:16 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Santa brought me a nak that plays too fast! Message-ID: <001b01c72c49$18d2ee60$9fd81bca@apac.ad.ici.com> Rich, You lucky guy......an LX-3... I don't think my wife would buy me another Nak!!. With regards to your deck, a quick check of a couple of things will help. - Firstly check that the pinch rollers are engaging cleanly and quickly. Probably OK on yours but check anyway. - What tape are you using to reference?. If a pre-recorded tape, then OK, but if one of your own tapes, need to ensure your last deck wasn't playing slow when it was recorded. - Next, I would get a new good main capstan belt and fit this. If the deck was recently serviced and the Tech simply used a belt that 'fits' ( ie: one that is thicker than the std one) then this can lead to quite a speed increase. You can tweak the motor to counter this, but then will play slow when the correct belt is fitted, based on my own experiences. - In the meantime, adjust the motor speed by ear by all means if you want to. If you haven't got a T100 or scope or such, and a 3K speed tape, or any other point of reference, then that is the best 'home' method any way. good luck, and enjoy.. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Dec 31 20:01:48 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:01:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] donated naks Message-ID: <4598091C.6030402@xs4all.nl> While i was on a holiday the last month a few decks were contributed through the website: DR-1 John Seitz (johnseitz at bellsouth.net) ERROR message in LED. Local repair guy said it might need a 'servo of some kind'. Not really sure about that but he said that parts were not available. I'm in Augusta GA 480 Birger Hofmann (birger.hofmann at telia.com) 660ZX and BX-300 Bob Gibson (bobgibbie at gmail.com) Contact the donators through the email address I supplied. I don't know anything else about these decks so don't ask me. Wouter From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Dec 31 20:09:44 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:09:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] donated naks In-Reply-To: <4598091C.6030402@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <666367.46134.qm@web36213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How's DR-1 vs 660ZX? --- Wouter Heijke a écrit : > While i was on a holiday the last month a few decks > were contributed > through the website: > > DR-1 > John Seitz (johnseitz at bellsouth.net) > ERROR message in LED. Local repair guy said it might > need a 'servo of > some kind'. Not really sure about that but he said > that parts were not > available. I'm in Augusta GA > > 480 > Birger Hofmann (birger.hofmann at telia.com) > > 660ZX and BX-300 > Bob Gibson (bobgibbie at gmail.com) > > Contact the donators through the email address I > supplied. > I don't know anything else about these decks so > don't ask me. > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2006\2006-2.txt ************************************************************************ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 1 02:14:18 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:14:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <200601311448.k0VEmFrR025578@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <20060201011418.85144.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The CR-7 does. But ironically, the DR series that came after it, doesn't. Regards, Bala 79 Labs Alex Cagann wrote: I have a Dragon and an RX505, neither of these counters are accurate with 'real time'. My question...are there any Nak decks that have real time counters? Alex > Please be aware that incorrect adjustment is > not the only reason for slow tape travel. Do > make sure that the transport (and especially > the capstans) is properly lubricated, there > are no mechanical hindrances to free motion > and the cassettes are good. > > To properly adjust the speed, you need a > standard cassette with a steady 3KHz tone > plus an accurate frequency counter. I doubt > very much that you can adjust by ear. > > Best luck, > > -- Ron -----========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 1 06:10:31 2006 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 00:10:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] always liked this deck Message-ID: <410-2200623151031914@earthlink.net> Also, check out the Akai GX-77 reel2reel and the Yami turntable as well. I cannot make out the other equipment though. He seems to be partial to Nak equipment. To bad he decided against the GX-66R, since it happens to be one of the most beautiful decks to come out of Japan. We won't see equipment like that again in our lifetimes. I presently own a GX-F95 cassette, GX-400D reel2reel and a 5700II cassette and am negotiating with my funeral director how to get buried with them........... > [Original Message] > From: Alex Cagann > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: 1/31/2006 4:20:53 PM > Subject: [naktalk] always liked this deck > > Used to have one, I like the aesthetic quality. Look at all the Nak stuff > this guy has...man oh man. He's got two or three PA7 amps, and a good > assortment of decks. Are you on this list? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Akai-GX-F66RC-GX-F66R_W0QQitemZ5860787568QQcategoryZ4784 > QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > (you may have to cut and paste) > > Alex > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Feb 1 06:17:28 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 05:17:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] always liked this deck Message-ID: Hi Dan! You wrote... WISE SELECTION!!!!! ALEX! >From: "Dan Dinhofer" >Reply-To: ddino77 at earthlink.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] always liked this deck >Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 00:10:31 -0500 > > >Also, check out the Akai GX-77 reel2reel and the Yami turntable as well. I >cannot make out the other equipment though. He seems >to be partial to Nak equipment. To bad he decided against the GX-66R, >since it happens to be one of the most beautiful decks >to come out of Japan. We won't see equipment like that again in our >lifetimes. I presently own a GX-F95 cassette, GX-400D >reel2reel and a 5700II cassette and am negotiating with my funeral director >how to get buried with them........... > > > [Original Message] > > From: Alex Cagann > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Date: 1/31/2006 4:20:53 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] always liked this deck > > > > Used to have one, I like the aesthetic quality. Look at all the Nak >stuff > > this guy has...man oh man. He's got two or three PA7 amps, and a good > > assortment of decks. Are you on this list? > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Akai-GX-F66RC-GX-F66R_W0QQitemZ5860787568QQcategoryZ4784 > > QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > (you may have to cut and paste) > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From sendigitall at yahoo.com Wed Feb 1 07:59:32 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:59:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed ...thanks..how to lube capstains? In-Reply-To: <200601311933.k0VJX0Ns019312@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060201065932.29261.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> hi guys thanks a lot .....i shal ..now ..start to do it with much confidence !!....thank u Ron for those jpgs..ture, a picture is more than a thousand words !!...and tomas larsson thank u for uploading it ..... i shal go abt with the tweaking....now before that ..i shall check the capsatin for lubrication ..how to lube it and where actually shld the lubricant go ?..and where not ?....next wat lubricant shld be used?... well first i will try to create a good 3khz test tone tape .but ..will a test tone generated by a computer be ok? ...like small utilities like testtone genarator?....ok i here is wat i plannd to do ...create the appropriate test tone ..in stereo ..and write it to a cd ..as audiocd format ..play thru a cd player and record into cassette ...cause dirctly from the computer to the casstte will have the unwanted noises of the computer ... as a last and final is as scott said ..play my fav audio tape ..and find the diffrernce ..here i know ..wat i miss cause i have heard my tapes a lot and will have a good idea ...... thanks again ...wat could i've done with out naktak..!!!.. thanks senthil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Yours sincerely, Pan Am From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Feb 1 13:38:29 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 07:38:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Which models have the Orange Caps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E0ABC5.3060605@yahoo.ca> By the way, are there common symptoms of orange cap disease? jerryjg a écrit : > > I know theres been a list somewhere, but if someone has a definitive > list of the models made with the Orange caps, I would like very much > to write them down for reference.Thank You. I understand that in all > cases these Caps eventually cause "disease, and therefore any model > having the Orange Caps should me modified? From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 1 15:15:57 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:15:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Which models have the Orange Caps? In-Reply-To: <43E0ABC5.3060605@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060201141557.6353.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry and Antoine, Check Scott's page. He's given a comprehensive run-down on this subject plus the list of affected models. Regards Bala 79 Labs Antoine Deschênes wrote: By the way, are there common symptoms of orange cap disease? jerryjg a écrit : > > I know theres been a list somewhere, but if someone has a definitive > list of the models made with the Orange caps, I would like very much > to write them down for reference.Thank You. I understand that in all > cases these Caps eventually cause "disease, and therefore any model > having the Orange Caps should me modified? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garumple at sympatico.ca Wed Feb 1 16:43:34 2006 From: garumple at sympatico.ca (rumple) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:43:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Which models have the Orange Caps? In-Reply-To: <20060201141557.6353.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c62746$42f60050$441efea9@ga3f49vkplnft2> Hi there Could Scott please give me his web address? Regards GA -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:16 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Which models have the Orange Caps? Hi Jerry and Antoine, Check Scott's page. He's given a comprehensive run-down on this subject plus the list of affected models. Regards Bala 79 Labs Antoine Deschênes wrote: By the way, are there common symptoms of orange cap disease? jerryjg a écrit : > > I know theres been a list somewhere, but if someone has a definitive > list of the models made with the Orange caps, I would like very much > to write them down for reference.Thank You. I understand that in all > cases these Caps eventually cause "disease, and therefore any model > having the Orange Caps should me modified? ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Regi! ster your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == _____ What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Feb 1 17:07:31 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:07:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Which models have the Orange Caps? In-Reply-To: <000901c62746$42f60050$441efea9@ga3f49vkplnft2> References: <000901c62746$42f60050$441efea9@ga3f49vkplnft2> Message-ID: <43E0DCC3.6050104@yahoo.ca> http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html rumple a écrit : > > *Hi there* > > *Could Scott please give me his web address?* > > *Re**ga**rds* > > *GA* > > * * > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Bala Ganesh Chandra > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:16 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Which models have the Orange Caps? > > > > Hi Jerry and Antoine, > > Check Scott's page. He's given a comprehensive run-down on > this subject plus the list of affected models. > > Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > */Antoine Deschênes /* wrote: > > By the way, are there common symptoms of orange cap disease? > > jerryjg a écrit : > > > > I know theres been a list somewhere, but if someone has a definitive > > list of the models made with the Orange caps, I would like very much > > to write them down for reference.Thank You. I understand that in all > > cases these Caps eventually cause "disease, and therefore any model > > having the Orange Caps should me modified? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Regi! ster your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 1 18:56:27 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:56:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Which models have the Orange Caps? In-Reply-To: <43E0DCC3.6050104@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <001f01c62758$d41fb190$7300a8c0@Shaun> I live in the UK have a BX-300 recently serviced and with a gear upgrade by B & W. On Ebay UK there is a 681ZX (search for 5858320196) up for grabs which, although serviced before being stored, now has a record problem. Is this a worthwhile upgrade over my BX-300 and would I hear much difference? Shaun From pmocom at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 19:03:15 2006 From: pmocom at gmail.com (Phil Ordway) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:03:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Idler. Message-ID: <92b0bd600602011003vb8c90b3hf1fc6bb8df43582c@mail.gmail.com> I need a CA08193A idler (for my Dragon). My local repair shop informs me that they are no longer available from Nakamichi and that other idlers that fit (from other tape decks) will not last. I'd appreciate any help in obtaining one. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Feb 2 10:02:09 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 04:02:09 EST Subject: [naktalk] hey wouter! my message are not getting printed!!! why?!!! I DONT LIKE IT!! Message-ID: <142.55a85766.31132491@aol.com> Hey Wouter, why are u deleting my messages from the nak talk? 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URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 10:17:15 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:17:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] WIRELESS REMOTE FOR NAKAMICHI DRAGON In-Reply-To: <1ec.4a6cf673.311325e0@aol.com> References: <1ec.4a6cf673.311325e0@aol.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10602020117n523faf0bm1779d240841c3051@mail.gmail.com> Ali, Your last two messages have obviously got through to the list, since I am responding to one of them. Please do NOT use all capitals in your messages, since according to 'net etiquette this is equivalent to shouting in face-to-face communication and I am sure no one on this list deserves to have you shouting at them - regardless of the problems you or your software or email account or your ISP has in connecting to the Naktalk server. George On 2/2/06, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > HI EVERYONE! I DONT KNOW WHY WOUTER IS NOT ALLOWING MY MESSAGE TO GET > THROUGH!! I HAVE ALWAYS BEHAVED HERE IN THIS FORUM!! THE LAST MESSAGE > ASKING YOU NICE GUYS IF SOMEONE KNOWS HOW TO BUILD A WIRELESS REMOTE FOR A > NAKAMICHI DRAGON WHICH I OWN NEVER! GOT TO MAKE IT TO THIS FORUM! AND I ASK > YOU MR! WOUTER WHY ARE U DOING THIS?! IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM! LET ME KNOW!! > THANKS! > > WITH BEST REGARDS! > ALI > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Feb 2 10:25:29 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 04:25:29 EST Subject: [naktalk] WIRELESS REMOTE FOR NAKAMICHI DRAGON Message-ID: <23d.6349769.31132a09@aol.com> George! I am sorry! for this but got frustrated! as all my messages to you nice guys seem to be not getting through and I was wondering if there was a problem! look like they are getting through now! anyway! any idea on the wireless remote control for the Dragon, sure would be nice to build one! Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Feb 2 15:00:41 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:00:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] WIRELESS REMOTE FOR NAKAMICHI DRAGON References: <1ec.4a6cf673.311325e0@aol.com> Message-ID: <002d01c62801$10fbe5e0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Why are you yelling? -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] WIRELESS REMOTE FOR NAKAMICHI DRAGON > HI EVERYONE! I DONT KNOW WHY WOUTER IS NOT ALLOWING MY MESSAGE TO GET > THROUGH!! I HAVE ALWAYS BEHAVED HERE IN THIS FORUM!! THE LAST MESSAGE > ASKING > YOU NICE GUYS IF SOMEONE KNOWS HOW TO BUILD A WIRELESS REMOTE FOR A > NAKAMICHI > DRAGON WHICH I OWN NEVER! GOT TO MAKE IT TO THIS FORUM! AND I ASK YOU MR! > WOUTER WHY ARE U DOING THIS?! IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM! LET ME KNOW!! > THANKS! > > WITH BEST REGARDS! > ALI From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 2 15:11:24 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:11:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] the 1000ZXL rears its haed again! Message-ID: <43E2130C.9090006@sbcglobal.net> The "minty new" gold 1000zxl that made the rounds on ebay recently has just surfaced on Audiogon. Seems the winner mickeyboy7 who won the beast for 8000.00 has decided to break down and sell it this week for 2000.00 under the new name of Buzzyngg with zero feedback. Same picture, same serial number. Maybe we can buy it next week for under a thousand! :-) What is going on here?? Ken Here are the links: http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?vintelec&1144018553 http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Limited-absolutelly-collectors-rarity_W0QQitemZ5854600402QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem or item number: 5854600402 From alex at autoconsortium.com Thu Feb 2 16:26:05 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:26:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] the 1000ZXL rears its haed again! In-Reply-To: <43E2130C.9090006@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200602021426.k12EQjrR010186@kropotkin.circlecity.net> In addition to the fishy sale amount of this deck, there is another thing. The item ended the 24th of January on the bay. Now, it is the second of February. The deck was paid for and shipped to Lenox, MA this quickly??? There are all kinds of fishy goings ons on ebay. The photos in the audiogon ad are the same as the ebay auction. Go figure. What I think happened...this guy, 'mickyboy7' had a friend put this thing up on ebay, and him, along with some other buddies, bidded this thing to the moon so that future prospective buyers would hopefully have seen this auction, and have no qualms about paying $2,000 for it. Alex C. > The "minty new" gold 1000zxl that made the rounds on ebay recently has > just surfaced on Audiogon. > > Seems the winner mickeyboy7 who won the beast for 8000.00 has decided to > break down and sell it this week for 2000.00 under the new name of > Buzzyngg with zero feedback. Same picture, same serial number. Maybe we > can buy it next week for under a thousand! :-) What is going on here?? > > > Ken > > Here are the links: > > http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?vintelec&1144018553 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Limited-absolutelly-collectors- > rarity_W0QQitemZ5854600402QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie > wItem > > or item number: 5854600402 From alex at autoconsortium.com Thu Feb 2 16:33:34 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:33:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Message-ID: <200602021434.k12EYDrR010242@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Personally, if I had an extra $2,000, I would probably buy that thing. What is the concensus around here? People are paying almost a grand for Dragon's and CR7's, I recently saw a Dragon do over $800. In lieu of that, in my opinion, that limited 1000 is definitely worth 2 large. It is a beautiful deck. Alex Cagann From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 2 15:45:48 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:45:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited In-Reply-To: <200602021434.k12EYDrR010242@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <20060202144548.47275.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Having heard the three decks you mention, I certainly would cash out 2 Grand. But is the deck really there? Regards Bala 79 Labs Alex Cagann wrote: Personally, if I had an extra $2,000, I would probably buy that thing. What is the concensus around here? People are paying almost a grand for Dragon's and CR7's, I recently saw a Dragon do over $800. In lieu of that, in my opinion, that limited 1000 is definitely worth 2 large. It is a beautiful deck. 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I dont chat in naktalk much due to my busy schedule but when i have time like now and post a message just to see it never appear !! which can be very frustrating my friend you would feel the same , not just once this happened all the time!! Since my angry but just request sometimes unless YOU DONT SHOUT! NO ONE LISTEN!! as to why my posting are not showing up has resulted in finally my messages are going through at naktalk and I think wouter had finally taken notice that I am not happy! and allowed my messages through. Thanks Wouter! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 2 16:21:52 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:21:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited In-Reply-To: <200602021434.k12EYDrR010242@kropotkin.circlecity.net> References: <200602021434.k12EYDrR010242@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <43E22390.6040303@rcn.com> Alex Cagann wrote: > Personally, if I had an extra $2,000, I would probably buy that thing. What > is the concensus around here? People are paying almost a grand for Dragon's > and CR7's, I recently saw a Dragon do over $800. In lieu of that, in my > opinion, that limited 1000 is definitely worth 2 large. It is a beautiful > deck. > > Alex Cagann I envy all the rich people in here, but, personally, my choices are limited by my finances (which is why I do not fly first class, or eat at super expensive restaurants, or wear a Rolex). When shopping for a 'new' Nak deck 8 years ago, I was actually looking for a Dragon. Then, I happened to listen to the same tape on a Dragon and a CR-7, on the same day. I decided that I liked the CR-7 better and the extra frills of the Dragon were not worth the extra cost to me. Then, based on comments from people that have lived with a 1000ZXL, I thought I'd like to trade up for the better sounding machine. But, reconsidering the high purchase price plus the even higher ownership cost (purportedly, the low reliability), I've changed my mind. Quite possibly, the 1000ZXL does sound better, but -- whatever the difference -- my feeling is that it is not worth the 1 kilobucks difference. My $0.02... -- Ron From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 2 16:30:39 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:30:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] the 1000ZXL rears its haed again! Message-ID: Hi Ken! Now I can assure you..that "Such" !!!MINT!!! 1000-ZXL DON'T WORK! For that sole reason the winner want to loose $:2,000 selling "As It"...instead adding the same or maybe more amount to return the machine to "Working"...conditions!!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ken Kirkpatrick >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] the 1000ZXL rears its haed again! >Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:11:24 -0600 > >The "minty new" gold 1000zxl that made the rounds on ebay recently has just >surfaced on Audiogon. > >Seems the winner mickeyboy7 who won the beast for 8000.00 has decided to >break down and sell it this week for 2000.00 under the new name of Buzzyngg >with zero feedback. Same picture, same serial number. Maybe we can buy it >next week for under a thousand! :-) What is going on here?? > > >Ken > >Here are the links: > >http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?vintelec&1144018553 > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Limited-absolutelly-collectors-rarity_W0QQitemZ5854600402QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >or item number: 5854600402 > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 2 16:34:38 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:34:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited Message-ID: Dear Alex! Instead to spell such money "On a NO working" machine....send to me...I can assure that I will find what to do with your $:2,000.00 donation to me!!!!!! He...He...He..... Be well!, ALEX! >From: "Alex Cagann" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:33:34 -0600 > >Personally, if I had an extra $2,000, I would probably buy that thing. What >is the concensus around here? People are paying almost a grand for >Dragon's >and CR7's, I recently saw a Dragon do over $800. In lieu of that, in my >opinion, that limited 1000 is definitely worth 2 large. It is a beautiful >deck. > >Alex Cagann > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Feb 2 19:45:43 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:45:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited References: <200602021434.k12EYDrR010242@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <000c01c62828$e05186c0$18d317c4@home> Even more beautifull when it works! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Limited > Personally, if I had an extra $2,000, I would probably buy that thing. > What > is the concensus around here? People are paying almost a grand for > Dragon's > and CR7's, I recently saw a Dragon do over $800. In lieu of that, in my > opinion, that limited 1000 is definitely worth 2 large. It is a beautiful > deck. > > Alex Cagann > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Feb 2 22:04:12 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:04:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 pinch roller tension Message-ID: <43E273CC.1080908@yahoo.ca> Hi, Anyone has the instructions to adjust the pinch roller tension on the BX-2 (Or an other with the same transport)? I found out that I could prevent my tapes from going on the sides of the pinch roller by putting some pressure on it. Cheers, Antoine From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 3 00:10:02 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:10:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] the 1000ZXL rears its haed again! In-Reply-To: <43E2130C.9090006@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <012001c6284d$cbc95500$799487d9@oemcomputer> Perhaps it didn't really sell, that the winning bidder, mickeyboy7, didn't or couldn't come up with the $$'s? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ken Kirkpatrick > Sent: 02 February 2006 14:11 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] the 1000ZXL rears its haed again! > > > The "minty new" gold 1000zxl that made the rounds on ebay recently has > just surfaced on Audiogon. > > Seems the winner mickeyboy7 who won the beast for 8000.00 has decided to > break down and sell it this week for 2000.00 under the new name of > Buzzyngg with zero feedback. Same picture, same serial number. Maybe we > can buy it next week for under a thousand! :-) What is going on here?? > > > Ken > > H > From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Feb 3 02:28:46 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:28:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Message-ID: http://audiotools.com/cass.html Currently researching the Marantz PMD511/510 IR RM decks, I came across this page. Hope its of interest. -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Feb 3 09:53:54 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B.Yap) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:53:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] the 1000ZXL rears its haed again! Message-ID: <200602030854.k138rsle032290@zxe.naks.com> > Well, the listing appears to have been removed from audiogon... > > Personal experience. I paid $3500 for mine. That was one which was > cosmetically in pretty good (but not perfect) condition. Most obvious > thing > was a missing slider knob. I now notice (maybe it's happened since > then in schlepping it to the shop) that there's one of the lines > missing and > a slight rub and missing writing where the "off" position is on the > noise reduction. > > Functionally, the guy at the shop who is kind of a perfectionist said > pretty much no wear on the heads--very little use. The guy I bought it > from (who was presumably at least the second owner, as the name > engraved on the plate wasn't his) in fact said he only had it as a > display piece. > It seems a lot of the first-round buyers of these didn't really use > them much, so although there aren't very many, the ones that > are out there tend to be in decent shape from the wear point of view. > > Ignoring the recent $8k one, the current value for the last few seems > to be around $3-4K or thereabouts. The seller originally wanted $4k > for mine (acknowledging the knob). I got him down to $3500 by noticing > that it actually had some problems electrically and would have to go in > to the shop--he'd been willing to go to around $3800 and I dropped > another $300 stating that would probably be the service cost (which > turned > out to be pretty close). I was also willing to pay that because it > wouldn't have to be shipped; I had a local pickup and a local tech > (who, alas, > isn't doing any more work, so not sure what will happen when I really > do need service again). He basically replaced the idler pulley and a > couple > of caps. There was an issue with the shutoff sensor which took a few > rounds to understand and fix and in the meantime one transistor blew. > > Right now there has been a problem twice with kind of low level, low > frequency static on the left channel. It's gone right now; appeared once, > looked for bad connections and didn't find anything obvious, but it > went away. Came back again, looked again, didn't find anything, didn't > seem to be better, then went away. It's been away longer now, but I > haven't had time to use the deck as much in that total period, so we'll > see. If I can get it to happen, I can probably get the tech to do it > under warranty, but it may be a long process to figure it out and then > actually > get him out. I suspect the fix is probably easy once diagnosed. > > I managed to find a reasonable albeit not perfect match for the gold > color of the knobs and spray painted a black one from a non-ltd > machine. 'Course > it took a few tries so I have some goldish knobs on the black one now, > too. > > In "reasonable" condition if you had a good tech locally and could > somehow guarantee it wouldn't get significantly damaged in shipping, $2k > would be a bargain if you had the $$$. I was willing to pay what I did > largely on getting it locally and already knowing roughly what it would > cost and that, even with a few stubborn intermittents, I would likely > be able to get it in pretty good shape. I think the going rate on the > non-ltd versions > is around $1-$2K, again, depending on all the usual things. > > Its A.B.L.E system works much better that the one on my non-ltd, but > that is probably a condition issue rather than one of design or > manufacture. By this > I mean there are tapes it has no trouble calibrating to that the > non-ltd can't deal with. > > I might have an additional sample point on that next week, but that > deck apparently is in not as good shape as either of the ones I've used > (ltd or not). > > When it works, sonically and feature-wise, it is a marvelous thing to > hear and watch. Does it sound ~$3K better? Probably not on a linear > scale; but the last 1% > of improvement on anything often is 80+% of the cost. From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Feb 3 13:07:29 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:07:29 EST Subject: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Message-ID: <1c4.393132ca.3114a181@aol.com> Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! Boeing made some of the most beautiful planes, in comparision apart from A 310 rest of the Airbus planes although advance planes look UGLY!! Right Guys?!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 3 14:44:10 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:44:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history In-Reply-To: <1c4.393132ca.3114a181@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c628c7$ea663e90$7300a8c0@Shaun> Definitely not!! The Aerospatial Concorde took the title of best looking plane with the VC10 a close second! In my opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! Boeing made some of the most beautiful planes, in comparision apart from A 310 rest of the Airbus planes although advance planes look UGLY!! Right Guys?!!! __________ NOD32 1.1392 (20060202) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 3 16:57:42 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:57:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history In-Reply-To: <000501c628c7$ea663e90$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <20060203155742.67014.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would personally prefer the North American Valkriye (which preceded the Concorde and yet looked so much like it), the Lockheed Blackbird and the X-15. Bala 79 Labs Shaun Montgomery wrote: Message Definitely not!! The Aerospatial Concorde took the title of best looking plane with the VC10 a close second! In my opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! Boeing made some of the most beautiful planes, in comparision apart from A 310 rest of the Airbus planes although advance planes look UGLY!! Right Guys?!!! __________ NOD32 1.1392 (20060202) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Feb 3 17:32:16 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:32:16 EST Subject: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Message-ID: <1aa.46548c34.3114df90@aol.com> Hi, Okay I have to agree concorde was good looking! in fact very good looking one I have a model in my library and yes VC 1O! heck! I even hans built a BOAC VC 10 model from a lit few years ago and hand painted it in BOAC color(love the old BOAC livery wished they have stayed with that cool dark blue) I still have it!! What I was saying was the NEW European Co called AIRBUS when all these European Air plane Companies Merged into AIRBUS. Their first model like the early A310 looked great and maybe the smaller newer planes but the BIG! plane look! OUT OF PROPORTION! just look at the new A 380! it must be great inside! and awesome but not beautiful! Looking fron the front the top above the cockpit looks like a one of those Airbus Cargo Planes that they used to ferry parts do their different department! Thats my two cent! LOL:) Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 3 17:37:54 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:37:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history In-Reply-To: <20060203155742.67014.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c628e0$2f9d9680$7300a8c0@Shaun> I thought we were talking about passenger aircraft! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 03 February 2006 15:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history I would personally prefer the North American Valkriye (which preceded the Concorde and yet looked so much like it), the Lockheed Blackbird and the X-15. Bala 79 Labs Shaun Montgomery wrote: Definitely not!! The Aerospatial Concorde took the title of best looking plane with the VC10 a close second! In my opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 3 18:13:26 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:13:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history In-Reply-To: <001401c628e0$2f9d9680$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <20060203171326.70420.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmm..well you said best looking plane Shaun. So I thought we were talking on all categories. The award for good looks in the passenger category goes to the Concorde, I agree. Bala 79 Labs Shaun Montgomery wrote: Message I thought we were talking about passenger aircraft! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 03 February 2006 15:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history I would personally prefer the North American Valkriye (which preceded the Concorde and yet looked so much like it), the Lockheed Blackbird and the X-15. Bala 79 Labs Shaun Montgomery wrote: Definitely not!! The Aerospatial Concorde took the title of best looking plane with the VC10 a close second! In my opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! 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Thought this was NAKTALK, not, Plane spotters anonymous!! Pass the sick bag T. ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Hi, Okay I have to agree concorde was good looking! in fact very good looking one I have a model in my library and yes VC 1O! heck! I even hans built a BOAC VC 10 model from a lit few years ago and hand painted it in BOAC color(love the old BOAC livery wished they have stayed with that cool dark blue) I still have it!! What I was saying was the NEW European Co called AIRBUS when all these European Air plane Companies Merged into AIRBUS. Their first model like the early A310 looked great and maybe the smaller newer planes but the BIG! plane look! OUT OF PROPORTION! just look at the new A 380! it must be great inside! and awesome but not beautiful! Looking fron the front the top above the cockpit looks like a one of those Airbus Cargo Planes that they used to ferry parts do their different department! Thats my two cent! LOL:) Ali ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/249 - Release Date: 02/02/06 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 3 18:51:00 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:51:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history In-Reply-To: <003901c628e9$58ac0f80$0dcd8656@compaq> Message-ID: <20060203175101.17737.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oops! Knew a rap on the knuckles was coming!!! Terry Finn wrote: OK..OK Having circled the runway, can we land now, Please! Thought this was NAKTALK, not, Plane spotters anonymous!! Pass the sick bag T. ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Hi, Okay I have to agree concorde was good looking! in fact very good looking one I have a model in my library and yes VC 1O! heck! I even hans built a BOAC VC 10 model from a lit few years ago and hand painted it in BOAC color(love the old BOAC livery wished they have stayed with that cool dark blue) I still have it!! What I was saying was the NEW European Co called AIRBUS when all these European Air plane Companies Merged into AIRBUS. Their first model like the early A310 looked great and maybe the smaller newer planes but the BIG! plane look! OUT OF PROPORTION! just look at the new A 380! it must be great inside! and awesome but not beautiful! Looking fron the front the top above the cockpit looks like a one of those Airbus Cargo Planes that they used to ferry parts do their different department! Thats my two cent! LOL:) Ali --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/249 - Release Date: 02/02/06 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 3 19:45:36 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:45:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history In-Reply-To: <1aa.46548c34.3114df90@aol.com> Message-ID: <003c01c628f2$06b35310$7300a8c0@Shaun> yep, I agree there. The new Airbus is certainly no work of visual art (except in the eye of it's creator!). Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 16:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Hi, Okay I have to agree concorde was good looking! in fact very good looking one I have a model in my library and yes VC 1O! heck! I even hans built a BOAC VC 10 model from a lit few years ago and hand painted it in BOAC color(love the old BOAC livery wished they have stayed with that cool dark blue) I still have it!! What I was saying was the NEW European Co called AIRBUS when all these European Air plane Companies Merged into AIRBUS. Their first model like the early A310 looked great and maybe the smaller newer planes but the BIG! plane look! OUT OF PROPORTION! just look at the new A 380! it must be great inside! and awesome but not beautiful! Looking fron the front the top above the cockpit looks like a one of those Airbus Cargo Planes that they used to ferry parts do their different department! Thats my two cent! LOL:) Ali __________ NOD32 1.1392 (20060202) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 3 22:39:40 2006 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:39:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <200602031745.k13Hht9f001187@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060203213940.99152.qmail@web30812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is this Nak or or Airplane talk? Come on guys. Lets keep it to the Nakamichis here please! Ram naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (BOEING747600 at aol.com) 2. RE: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (Shaun Montgomery) 3. RE: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 4. Re: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (BOEING747600 at aol.com) 5. RE: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (Shaun Montgomery) 6. RE: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 7. Re: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (Terry Finn) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:07:29 EST From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <1c4.393132ca.3114a181 at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! Boeing made some of the most beautiful planes, in comparision apart from A 310 rest of the Airbus planes although advance planes look UGLY!! Right Guys?!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060203/8374287b/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:44:10 -0000 From: "Shaun Montgomery" Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <000501c628c7$ea663e90$7300a8c0 at Shaun> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Definitely not!! The Aerospatial Concorde took the title of best looking plane with the VC10 a close second! In my opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! Boeing made some of the most beautiful planes, in comparision apart from A 310 rest of the Airbus planes although advance planes look UGLY!! Right Guys?!!! __________ NOD32 1.1392 (20060202) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060203/e9be48d0/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:57:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20060203155742.67014.qmail at web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would personally prefer the North American Valkriye (which preceded the Concorde and yet looked so much like it), the Lockheed Blackbird and the X-15. Bala 79 Labs Shaun Montgomery wrote: Message Definitely not!! The Aerospatial Concorde took the title of best looking plane with the VC10 a close second! In my opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! Boeing made some of the most beautiful planes, in comparision apart from A 310 rest of the Airbus planes although advance planes look UGLY!! Right Guys?!!! __________ NOD32 1.1392 (20060202) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060203/d9f72b5f/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:32:16 EST From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <1aa.46548c34.3114df90 at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Okay I have to agree concorde was good looking! in fact very good looking one I have a model in my library and yes VC 1O! heck! I even hans built a BOAC VC 10 model from a lit few years ago and hand painted it in BOAC color(love the old BOAC livery wished they have stayed with that cool dark blue) I still have it!! What I was saying was the NEW European Co called AIRBUS when all these European Air plane Companies Merged into AIRBUS. Their first model like the early A310 looked great and maybe the smaller newer planes but the BIG! plane look! OUT OF PROPORTION! just look at the new A 380! it must be great inside! and awesome but not beautiful! Looking fron the front the top above the cockpit looks like a one of those Airbus Cargo Planes that they used to ferry parts do their different department! Thats my two cent! LOL:) Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060203/f43f40fe/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:37:54 -0000 From: "Shaun Montgomery" Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <001401c628e0$2f9d9680$7300a8c0 at Shaun> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I thought we were talking about passenger aircraft! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 03 February 2006 15:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history I would personally prefer the North American Valkriye (which preceded the Concorde and yet looked so much like it), the Lockheed Blackbird and the X-15. Bala 79 Labs Shaun Montgomery wrote: Definitely not!! The Aerospatial Concorde took the title of best looking plane with the VC10 a close second! In my opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! Boeing made some of the most beautiful planes, in comparision apart from A 310 rest of the Airbus planes although advance planes look UGLY!! Right Guys?!!! __________ NOD32 1.1392 (20060202) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060203/21170dbb/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:13:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20060203171326.70420.qmail at web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hmm..well you said best looking plane Shaun. So I thought we were talking on all categories. The award for good looks in the passenger category goes to the Concorde, I agree. Bala 79 Labs Shaun Montgomery wrote: Message I thought we were talking about passenger aircraft! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 03 February 2006 15:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history I would personally prefer the North American Valkriye (which preceded the Concorde and yet looked so much like it), the Lockheed Blackbird and the X-15. Bala 79 Labs Shaun Montgomery wrote: Definitely not!! The Aerospatial Concorde took the title of best looking plane with the VC10 a close second! In my opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060203/7cf83c83/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:43:30 -0000 From: "Terry Finn" Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <003901c628e9$58ac0f80$0dcd8656 at compaq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK..OK Having circled the runway, can we land now, Please! Thought this was NAKTALK, not, Plane spotters anonymous!! Pass the sick bag T. ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Hi, Okay I have to agree concorde was good looking! in fact very good looking one I have a model in my library and yes VC 1O! heck! I even hans built a BOAC VC 10 model from a lit few years ago and hand painted it in BOAC color(love the old BOAC livery wished they have stayed with that cool dark blue) I still have it!! What I was saying was the NEW European Co called AIRBUS when all these European Air plane Companies Merged into AIRBUS. Their first model like the early A310 looked great and maybe the smaller newer planes but the BIG! plane look! OUT OF PROPORTION! just look at the new A 380! it must be great inside! and awesome but not beautiful! Looking fron the front the top above the cockpit looks like a one of those Airbus Cargo Planes that they used to ferry parts do their different department! Thats my two cent! 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URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 22:53:19 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:53:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <20060203213940.99152.qmail@web30812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200602031745.k13Hht9f001187@zxe.naks.com> <20060203213940.99152.qmail@web30812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10602031353m77b52ab0i3e341bbc28053d82@mail.gmail.com> Come on Ram. Let's not include the whole digest in our messages to the list. Some of us are on dial-up, others are on half a dozen lists and have enough to read as it is. George On 2/3/06, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Is this Nak or or Airplane talk? > > Come on guys. Lets keep it to the Nakamichis here please! > Ram > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Feb 3 23:03:28 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:03:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <518b7b10602031353m77b52ab0i3e341bbc28053d82@mail.gmail.com> References: <200602031745.k13Hht9f001187@zxe.naks.com> <20060203213940.99152.qmail@web30812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <518b7b10602031353m77b52ab0i3e341bbc28053d82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E3D330.3070307@yahoo.ca> george valkov a écrit : > Come on Ram. Let's not include the whole digest in our messages to the > list. And some will have the digest in the digest ... (At least it's not my case ;-) ) > Some of us are on dial-up, others are on half a dozen lists About ten if not more. > and > have enough to read as it is. > About 80 messages per day. > George > > On 2/3/06, shanti ramachandran wrote: > >> Is this Nak or or Airplane talk? >> >> Come on guys. Lets keep it to the Nakamichis here please! >> Ram >> From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Feb 4 00:36:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:36:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx300 tape speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <43DF8DE0.4080207@yahoo.ca> References: <200601311448.k0VEmFrR025578@kropotkin.circlecity.net> <43DF8DE0.4080207@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43E3E916.9010707@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Counters that are counting from behind the hub can't be accurate. When > you play, rewind and FF the tape, the tape is not being winded with the > same thightness each times : there are more or less tape turns depending > on the torque. But the spacing between tape layers makes for a very small percentage of the total pancake diameter (that affects hub rotational speed, that affects the time calculation). Mostly, it's the tape thickness itself; and that doesn't vary. IME, the time display, while not absolutely accurate, is usable and repeatable. > Yes, it can be done by ear : What Scott told should work fine, but it > depends of your music experience. Yep, it can be done by zero beating against a known accurate tone. But it's neither convenient, nor fast, nor easy to do. In short, that's not the way *I* would do it... -- Ron > > Alex Cagann a écrit : >> I have a Dragon and an RX505, neither of these counters are accurate with >> 'real time'. My question...are there any Nak decks that have real time >> counters? >> >> Alex >> >> >>> Please be aware that incorrect adjustment is >>> not the only reason for slow tape travel. Do >>> make sure that the transport (and especially >>> the capstans) is properly lubricated, there >>> are no mechanical hindrances to free motion >>> and the cassettes are good. >>> >>> To properly adjust the speed, you need a >>> standard cassette with a steady 3KHz tone >>> plus an accurate frequency counter. I doubt >>> very much that you can adjust by ear. >>> >>> Best luck, >>> >>> -- Ron From jvbrhg at seanet.com Sat Feb 4 03:57:12 2006 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVB/RHG) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:57:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4 References: <20060203213940.99152.qmail@web30812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01c62936$b30945e0$0200a8c0@DESKTOP> Right ON, Dude. Randall, Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4 Is this Nak or or Airplane talk? Come on guys. Lets keep it to the Nakamichis here please! Ram naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (BOEING747600 at aol.com) 2. RE: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history! (Shaun Montgomery) 3. RE: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 4. Re: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (BOEING747600 at aol.com) 5. RE: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (Shaun Montgomery) 6. RE: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 7. Re: interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history (Terry Finn) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:07:29 EST From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <1c4.393132ca.3114a181 at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! Boeing made some of! the most beautiful planes, in comparision apart from A 310 rest of the Airbus planes although advance planes look UGLY!! Right Guys?!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060203/8374287b/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:44:10 -0000 From: "Shaun Montgomery" Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <000501c628c7$ea663e90$7300a8c0 at Shaun> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Definitely not!! The Aerospatial Concorde took the title of best looking plane with the VC10 a close second! In my opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf! Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! Boeing made some of the most beautiful planes, in comparision apart from A 310 rest of the Airbus planes although advance planes look UGLY!! Right Guys?!!! __________ NOD32 1.1392 (20060202) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060203/e9be48d0/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:57:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20060203155742.67014.qmail at web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would personally prefer the North American Valkriye (which preceded the Concorde and yet looked so much like it), the Lockheed Blackbird and the X-15. Bala 79 Labs Shaun Montgomery wrote: Message Definitely not!! The Aerospatial Concorde took the title of best looking plane with the VC10 a close second! In my opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have! made it my screen name!! LOL!! Boeing made some of the most beautiful planes, in comparision apart from A 310 rest of the Airbus planes although advance planes look UGLY!! Right Guys?!!! __________ NOD32 1.1392 (20060202) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060203/d9f72b5f/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:32:16 EST From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <1aa.46548c34.3114df90 at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Okay I have to agree concorde was good looking! in fact very good looking one I have a model in my library and yes VC 1O! heck! I even hans built a BOAC VC 10 model from a lit few years ago and hand painted it in BOAC color(love the old BOAC livery wished they have stayed with that cool dark blue) I still have it!! What I was saying was the NEW European Co called AIRBUS when all these European Air plane Companies Merged into AIRBUS. Their first model like the early A310 looked great and maybe t! he smaller newer planes but the BIG! plane look! OUT OF PROPORTION! just look at the new A 380! it must be great inside! and awesome but not beautiful! Looking fron the front the top above the cockpit looks like a one of those Airbus Cargo Planes that they used to ferry parts do their different department! Thats my two cent! LOL:) Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060203/f43f40fe/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:37:54 -0000 From: "Shaun Montgomery" Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <001401c628e0$2f9d9680$7300a8c0 at Shaun> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I thought we were talki! ng about passenger aircraft! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 03 February 2006 15:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history I would personally prefer the North American Valkriye (which preceded the Concorde and yet looked so much like it), the Lockheed Blackbird and the X-15. Bala 79 Labs Shaun Montgomery wrote: Definitely not!! The Aerospatial Concorde took the title of best looking plane with the VC10 a close second! In my opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! Boeing made some of the most beautiful planes, in comparision apart from A 310 rest of the Airbus planes although advance planes look UGLY!! Right Guys?!!! __________ NOD32 1.1392 (20060202) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060203/21170dbb/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:13:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20060203171326.70420.qmail at web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hmm..well you said best looking plane Shaun. So I thought we were talking on all categories. The award for good looks in the passenger category goes to the Concorde, I agree. Bala 79 Labs Shaun Montgomery wrote: Message I thought we were talking about passenger aircraft! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 03 February 2006 15:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history I would personally prefer the North American Valkriye (which preceded the Concorde and yet looked so much like it), the Lockheed Blackbird and the X-15. Bala 79 Labs Shaun Montgomery wrote: Definitely not!! The Aerospatial Concorde took the title of best looking plane with the VC10 a close second! In my opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 03 February 2006 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufactur! e history Yea! The boeing 747 is a BIG! and BEAUTIFUL Plane, that why I have made it my screen name!! LOL!! 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060203/7cf83c83/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:43:30 -0000 From: "Terry Finn" Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <003901c628e9$58ac0f80$0dcd8656 at compaq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK..OK Having circled the runway, can we land now, Please! Thought this was NAKTALK, not, Plane spotters anonymous!! Pass the sick bag T. ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] interesting brief Cassete deck Manufacture history Hi, Okay I have to agree concorde was good looking! in fact very good looking one I have a model in my library and yes VC 1O! heck! 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But with further testing, it is making a noise during the tape slack take-up process. This noise happens when I have a tape inserted and I turn the power on. It doesn't make the noise when the tape is at the very beginning and the tape advances a good amount. But if the tape is advanced . . . . . . It makes the noise and the tape barely advances. Just tried the same tests playing a new blank cassette. Same tape advancing noise during my tests but intermittent . . . . . some time noise and then not. I had some tape slack process problems with an Aiwa deck years ago and it just needed some micro-sensor cleaning. Could this be the same problem ?? Or would some parts need to be replaced ?? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Feb 4 07:30:16 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 00:30:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TRi Tracer for 200.00 on e-bay Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5860722970 -- I think i would never bid on this unit when the guys says that its hard to find a 700 tri-tracer in "this " condition, yet does not specify what he means by "this condition".I think at this time , though i have been spoiuled by previous "75.00" 700 tri-tracer units in excellent condition, that realistically(no allusion to Radio Shack intended), an excellent 700 tri-tracer is now actually worth about 200.00 or more!! Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Feb 4 12:04:23 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:04:23 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 noise Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD0C@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Hi John, It sounds like the reel idler is slipping due to hardening rubber. This is a particular difficult model to work on because the mechanism is turned upside-down and the idler is hard to get at. How is the FF / REW? If that is ok, and playback / record is ok then I would not worry too much, just rewind the tape a little when you insert it - a sort of do-it-yourself tape slack take-up mechanism. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Johnekins522 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, 4 February 2006 6:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 noise Hi there. Just purchased a RX 505, overall I'm pleased with the purchase and it seemed to be fully sound when I tried it out with a tape in the shop. But with further testing, it is making a noise during the tape slack take-up process. This noise happens when I have a tape inserted and I turn the power on. It doesn't make the noise when the tape is at the very beginning and the tape advances a good amount. But if the tape is advanced . . . . . . It makes the noise and the tape barely advances. Just tried the same tests playing a new blank cassette. Same tape advancing noise during my tests but intermittent . . . . . some time noise and then not. I had some tape slack process problems with an Aiwa deck years ago and it just needed some micro-sensor cleaning. Could this be the same problem ?? Or would some parts need to be replaced ?? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at autoconsortium.com Sat Feb 4 17:37:47 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:37:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 noise In-Reply-To: <128.6ce00b14.3115ab7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <200602041538.k14FcSrR027393@kropotkin.circlecity.net> My Dragon will sometimes make a 'grunt' type noise when you turn the power on, and sometimes when you put a tape in. Is this the type of noise you are hearing? Alex _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Johnekins522 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 noise Hi there. Just purchased a RX 505, overall I'm pleased with the purchase and it seemed to be fully sound when I tried it out with a tape in the shop. But with further testing, it is making a noise during the tape slack take-up process. This noise happens when I have a tape inserted and I turn the power on. It doesn't make the noise when the tape is at the very beginning and the tape advances a good amount. But if the tape is advanced . . . . . . It makes the noise and the tape barely advances. Just tried the same tests playing a new blank cassette. Same tape advancing noise during my tests but intermittent . . . . . some time noise and then not. I had some tape slack process problems with an Aiwa deck years ago and it just needed some micro-sensor cleaning. Could this be the same problem ?? Or would some parts need to be replaced ?? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kh1 at khherrmann.de Sat Feb 4 19:15:48 2006 From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:15:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 noise In-Reply-To: <128.6ce00b14.3115ab7e@aol.com> References: <128.6ce00b14.3115ab7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060204191548.48878b42.kh1@khherrmann.de> Hi, On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:02:22 EST Johnekins522 at aol.com wrote: > This noise happens when I have a tape inserted and I turn the power > on. It doesn't make the noise when the tape is at the very > beginning and the tape advances a good amount. But if the tape > is advanced . . . . . . It makes the noise and the tape barely > advances. I've a RX505 for years now and normal behaviour is: - no tape in, power up: reel moves for 1 or 2 seconds. - with tape power up: reel tries to tighten tape -- but it might not be possible because its tight already. Then it can give some grunting, squealing noise and then stop. - same on inserting tape while power up: it tries to tighten it but that might cause significant or almost no reel moevement depending on the state of the tape. Even the direction of movement might be determined by relative tape remaining on which spindle. The squealing/grunting might indicate aging idler rubber -- but it's not causing problems for a long time in my caase. If tape starts promptly on play and the sound is not wobbling at the play start the tape was properly tighened. K.-H. From Johnekins522 at aol.com Sun Feb 5 02:55:38 2006 From: Johnekins522 at aol.com (Johnekins522 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:55:38 EST Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 noise Message-ID: <20b.11e3e9c1.3116b51a@aol.com> Yes, it's slipping and grunting trying to tighten the tape. Sometimes it grunts, and other time it moves the tape freely. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of D.S.Roos Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 3:56 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z Can anyone advise on how/where to repair a 480Z ... has provided years of good service and would hate to lose, but now has drive problems leading to eaten tapes. Thanks -- D.S.Roos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Feb 5 07:54:15 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:54:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? Message-ID: Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small room space as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks side by side, right next to other electronic compononts( an electronic signal processor, and also a Power conditioner unit). I cannot place my two naks side by side-they wont fit.Is there a chance that the Nak heads might pick up some hum from the other compononts?I cant play my system yet to actually tell.As always, help is much appreciated. -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 5 12:39:22 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:39:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00d401c62a48$cec88ee0$1fc687d9@oemcomputer> Jerry Wouldn't have thought so. Due to lack of space, my Sugden A21 sits on top of my ZX-9 and I have no problems at all with either. (I would be more worried if the Sugden sat beneath the ZX-9 as the heat rising from those amps is really cooking!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of jerryjg > Sent: 05 February 2006 06:54 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? > > > > Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small room space > as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks side by side, > right next > to other electronic compononts( an electronic signal processor, > and also a > Power conditioner unit). I cannot place my two naks side by > side-they wont > fit.Is there a chance that the Nak heads might pick up some hum from the > other compononts?I cant play my system yet to actually tell.As always, > help is much appreciated. > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 5 15:31:08 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:31:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E60C2C.1000503@rcn.com> jerryjg wrote: > > Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small room space > as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks side by side, right > next to other electronic compononts( an electronic signal processor, and > also a Power conditioner unit). I cannot place my two naks side by > side-they wont fit.Is there a chance that the Nak heads might pick up > some hum from the other compononts? I wouldn't think so. Inductance of the head is very small, it's not much of a coil at 60Hz. And it's shielded by it's own case and by the deck box. However, I am a great believer in keeping components separated, for thermal reasons. -- Ron I cant play my system yet to actually > tell.As always, help is much appreciated. > --The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > > Dear Mr Boeing, > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as > well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Feb 5 17:05:34 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:05:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: <43E60C2C.1000503@rcn.com> References: <43E60C2C.1000503@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43E6224E.8000407@yahoo.ca> It sure picks up EMI but maybe not RFI. If you put it next to a TV and power on the TV when it's playing/rec, the degaussing will be heard. Same for moving magnet phono cartridges. Transformers make some EMI and that's why I hear a transformer in my BX-2's output. To reduce it, I unplug my TT and CD player(Are over and under it). Just putting shelves between the components could help a lot. (You've got one) If you want to test EMI, don't put any tapes and press play, and crank up the volume. Also, it depends of the model. I'm sure that there are other Naks that are better shielded than my BX-2. Ron a écrit : > > jerryjg wrote: >> >> Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small room >> space as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks side by side, >> right next to other electronic compononts( an electronic signal >> processor, and also a Power conditioner unit). I cannot place my two >> naks side by side-they wont fit.Is there a chance that the Nak heads >> might pick up some hum from the other compononts? > > I wouldn't think so. Inductance of the head is very > small, it's not much of a coil at 60Hz. And it's > shielded by it's own case and by the deck box. > > However, I am a great believer in keeping components > separated, for thermal reasons. > > -- Ron > > > I cant play my system yet to actually >> tell.As always, help is much appreciated. >> --The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >> >> Dear Mr Boeing, >> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty >> as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 5 18:14:47 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:14:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? Message-ID: Also as I use...,"Vibrapods or Cones"..., will help a lot! because I also stack 4 items one at top of other & never hear any RFI problem! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:05:34 -0500 > >It sure picks up EMI but maybe not RFI. If you put it next to a TV and >power on the TV when it's playing/rec, the degaussing will be heard. Same >for moving magnet phono cartridges. Transformers make some EMI and that's >why I hear a transformer in my BX-2's output. To reduce it, I unplug my TT >and CD player(Are over and under it). Just putting shelves between the >components could help a lot. (You've got one) > >If you want to test EMI, don't put any tapes and press play, and crank up >the volume. > >Also, it depends of the model. I'm sure that there are other Naks that are >better shielded than my BX-2. > >Ron a �crit : >> >>jerryjg wrote: >>> >>>Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small room space >>>as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks side by side, right next >>>to other electronic compononts( an electronic signal processor, and also >>>a Power conditioner unit). I cannot place my two naks side by side-they >>>wont fit.Is there a chance that the Nak heads might pick up some hum from >>>the other compononts? >> >>I wouldn't think so. Inductance of the head is very >>small, it's not much of a coil at 60Hz. And it's >>shielded by it's own case and by the deck box. >> >>However, I am a great believer in keeping components >>separated, for thermal reasons. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >>I cant play my system yet to actually >>>tell.As always, help is much appreciated. >>>--The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >>> >>>Dear Mr Boeing, >>> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as >>>well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From droos at sas.upenn.edu Sun Feb 5 18:20:58 2006 From: droos at sas.upenn.edu (D.S.Roos) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:20:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the tip -- DSR >Hi. >You will find service manuals for the 480 and the 481 on my >homepage, however not 480Z. >I imagine that they could be a good start. > > >With best regards > >Tomas Larsson >Sweden >http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free >www.yousendit.com service. > >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > -----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of D.S.Roos >Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 3:56 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z > >Can anyone advise on how/where to repair a 480Z ... has provided >years of good service and would hate to lose, but now has drive >problems leading to eaten tapes. Thanks -- D.S.Roos > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Feb 5 18:26:45 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:26:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E63555.1000509@yahoo.ca> These prevent speaker vibrations from affecting other components. There's no change for RFI and EMI which travels thru air. Alex Cozac a écrit : > Also as I use...,"Vibrapods or Cones"..., will help a lot! because I > also stack 4 items one at top of other & never hear any RFI problem! > > Good Luck! > > ALEX! > >> From: Antoine Deschênes >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:05:34 -0500 >> >> It sure picks up EMI but maybe not RFI. If you put it next to a TV >> and power on the TV when it's playing/rec, the degaussing will be >> heard. Same for moving magnet phono cartridges. Transformers make >> some EMI and that's why I hear a transformer in my BX-2's output. To >> reduce it, I unplug my TT and CD player(Are over and under it). Just >> putting shelves between the components could help a lot. (You've got >> one) >> >> If you want to test EMI, don't put any tapes and press play, and >> crank up the volume. >> >> Also, it depends of the model. I'm sure that there are other Naks >> that are better shielded than my BX-2. >> >> Ron a écrit : >>> >>> jerryjg wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small room >>>> space as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks side by >>>> side, right next to other electronic compononts( an electronic >>>> signal processor, and also a Power conditioner unit). I cannot >>>> place my two naks side by side-they wont fit.Is there a chance that >>>> the Nak heads might pick up some hum from the other compononts? >>> >>> I wouldn't think so. Inductance of the head is very >>> small, it's not much of a coil at 60Hz. And it's >>> shielded by it's own case and by the deck box. >>> >>> However, I am a great believer in keeping components >>> separated, for thermal reasons. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> I cant play my system yet to actually >>>> tell.As always, help is much appreciated. >>>> --The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >>>> >>>> Dear Mr Boeing, >>>> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty >>>> as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 5 18:38:16 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:38:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? Message-ID: Hi Antoine! Yes it's true...but with my Dragon I never have or had any RFI problem, could be that my others components are of a high quality...that are superbly protected of any disturbances...who knows? ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:26:45 -0500 > >These prevent speaker vibrations from affecting other components. There's >no change for RFI and EMI which travels thru air. > >Alex Cozac a �crit : >>Also as I use...,"Vibrapods or Cones"..., will help a lot! because I also >>stack 4 items one at top of other & never hear any RFI problem! >> >>Good Luck! >> >>ALEX! >> >>>From: Antoine Desch�nes >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >>>Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:05:34 -0500 >>> >>>It sure picks up EMI but maybe not RFI. If you put it next to a TV and >>>power on the TV when it's playing/rec, the degaussing will be heard. Same >>>for moving magnet phono cartridges. Transformers make some EMI and that's >>>why I hear a transformer in my BX-2's output. To reduce it, I unplug my >>>TT and CD player(Are over and under it). Just putting shelves between the >>>components could help a lot. (You've got one) >>> >>>If you want to test EMI, don't put any tapes and press play, and crank up >>>the volume. >>> >>>Also, it depends of the model. I'm sure that there are other Naks that >>>are better shielded than my BX-2. >>> >>>Ron a �crit : >>>> >>>>jerryjg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small room >>>>>space as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks side by side, >>>>>right next to other electronic compononts( an electronic signal >>>>>processor, and also a Power conditioner unit). I cannot place my two >>>>>naks side by side-they wont fit.Is there a chance that the Nak heads >>>>>might pick up some hum from the other compononts? >>>> >>>>I wouldn't think so. Inductance of the head is very >>>>small, it's not much of a coil at 60Hz. And it's >>>>shielded by it's own case and by the deck box. >>>> >>>>However, I am a great believer in keeping components >>>>separated, for thermal reasons. >>>> >>>>-- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>>I cant play my system yet to actually >>>>>tell.As always, help is much appreciated. >>>>>--The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >>>>> >>>>>Dear Mr Boeing, >>>>> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as >>>>>well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Feb 5 18:53:37 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:53:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E63BA1.20009@yahoo.ca> Well... A Dragon is not a BX-2. Yes, having good components could help. But with my Grado Prestige Black cartridge, you can even hear the downstairs TV 15kHz whine in the output when it's on(My system is upstairs). My system is not well placed(You saw my pics!). The amp transformer is next to the rest and I hear it in the Nak and turntable. Just having an AC wire near the TT cartridge adds some hum. I might even put the turntable transformer in an external enclosure for this. Alex Cozac a écrit : > Hi Antoine! > > Yes it's true...but with my Dragon I never have or had any RFI > problem, could be that my others components are of a high > quality...that are superbly protected of any disturbances...who knows? > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Antoine Deschênes >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:26:45 -0500 >> >> These prevent speaker vibrations from affecting other components. >> There's no change for RFI and EMI which travels thru air. >> >> Alex Cozac a écrit : >>> Also as I use...,"Vibrapods or Cones"..., will help a lot! because I >>> also stack 4 items one at top of other & never hear any RFI problem! >>> >>> Good Luck! >>> >>> ALEX! >>> >>>> From: Antoine Deschênes >>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >>>> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:05:34 -0500 >>>> >>>> It sure picks up EMI but maybe not RFI. If you put it next to a TV >>>> and power on the TV when it's playing/rec, the degaussing will be >>>> heard. Same for moving magnet phono cartridges. Transformers make >>>> some EMI and that's why I hear a transformer in my BX-2's output. >>>> To reduce it, I unplug my TT and CD player(Are over and under it). >>>> Just putting shelves between the components could help a lot. >>>> (You've got one) >>>> >>>> If you want to test EMI, don't put any tapes and press play, and >>>> crank up the volume. >>>> >>>> Also, it depends of the model. I'm sure that there are other Naks >>>> that are better shielded than my BX-2. >>>> >>>> Ron a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> jerryjg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small >>>>>> room space as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks side >>>>>> by side, right next to other electronic compononts( an electronic >>>>>> signal processor, and also a Power conditioner unit). I cannot >>>>>> place my two naks side by side-they wont fit.Is there a chance >>>>>> that the Nak heads might pick up some hum from the other compononts? >>>>> >>>>> I wouldn't think so. Inductance of the head is very >>>>> small, it's not much of a coil at 60Hz. And it's >>>>> shielded by it's own case and by the deck box. >>>>> >>>>> However, I am a great believer in keeping components >>>>> separated, for thermal reasons. >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I cant play my system yet to actually >>>>>> tell.As always, help is much appreciated. >>>>>> --The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Mr Boeing, >>>>>> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is >>>>>> pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Feb 6 05:32:18 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 04:32:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? Message-ID: My dear Antoine! Yes I saw your photos...YOU MUST...MUST...MUST...arrange your audio system well, as I saw...."Bordello". Cheers, ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:53:37 -0500 > >Well... A Dragon is not a BX-2. Yes, having good components could help. But >with my Grado Prestige Black cartridge, you can even hear the downstairs TV >15kHz whine in the output when it's on(My system is upstairs). > >My system is not well placed(You saw my pics!). The amp transformer is next >to the rest and I hear it in the Nak and turntable. Just having an AC wire >near the TT cartridge adds some hum. I might even put the turntable >transformer in an external enclosure for this. > >Alex Cozac a �crit : >>Hi Antoine! >> >>Yes it's true...but with my Dragon I never have or had any RFI problem, >>could be that my others components are of a high quality...that are >>superbly protected of any disturbances...who knows? >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Antoine Desch�nes >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >>>Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:26:45 -0500 >>> >>>These prevent speaker vibrations from affecting other components. There's >>>no change for RFI and EMI which travels thru air. >>> >>>Alex Cozac a �crit : >>>>Also as I use...,"Vibrapods or Cones"..., will help a lot! because I >>>>also stack 4 items one at top of other & never hear any RFI problem! >>>> >>>>Good Luck! >>>> >>>>ALEX! >>>> >>>>>From: Antoine Desch�nes >>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >>>>>Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:05:34 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>It sure picks up EMI but maybe not RFI. If you put it next to a TV and >>>>>power on the TV when it's playing/rec, the degaussing will be heard. >>>>>Same for moving magnet phono cartridges. Transformers make some EMI and >>>>>that's why I hear a transformer in my BX-2's output. To reduce it, I >>>>>unplug my TT and CD player(Are over and under it). Just putting shelves >>>>>between the components could help a lot. (You've got one) >>>>> >>>>>If you want to test EMI, don't put any tapes and press play, and crank >>>>>up the volume. >>>>> >>>>>Also, it depends of the model. I'm sure that there are other Naks that >>>>>are better shielded than my BX-2. >>>>> >>>>>Ron a �crit : >>>>>> >>>>>>jerryjg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small room >>>>>>>space as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks side by side, >>>>>>>right next to other electronic compononts( an electronic signal >>>>>>>processor, and also a Power conditioner unit). I cannot place my two >>>>>>>naks side by side-they wont fit.Is there a chance that the Nak heads >>>>>>>might pick up some hum from the other compononts? >>>>>> >>>>>>I wouldn't think so. Inductance of the head is very >>>>>>small, it's not much of a coil at 60Hz. And it's >>>>>>shielded by it's own case and by the deck box. >>>>>> >>>>>>However, I am a great believer in keeping components >>>>>>separated, for thermal reasons. >>>>>> >>>>>>-- Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I cant play my system yet to actually >>>>>>>tell.As always, help is much appreciated. >>>>>>>--The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Dear Mr Boeing, >>>>>>> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty >>>>>>>as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjkent at comcast.net Mon Feb 6 06:07:00 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:07:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] EMI Message-ID: <000801c62adb$29b63810$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Alex wrote: >Hi Antoine! >Yes it's true...but with my Dragon I never have or had any RFI problem, >could be that my others components are of a high quality...that are superbly >protected of any disturbances...who knows? >ALEX! Jerry, Alex, Actually the Dragon is fairly sensitive to EMI, and should not be placed very near to power amplifiers (or any component with a large transformer). I had a problem with mine when I put a higher powered receiver next to it. I consulted with Jeff at ESL who informed me that the Dragon was more sensitive to EMI than most other Naks. The induced hum can be quite noticable, and is sensitive to angular orientation as well as distance. Through a good deal of experimentation I was able to come up with an arrangement that minimized the hum. My Cr-7, which sits in the same Nak-Stack does not have the same sensitivity. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 6 00:29:34 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:29:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: <43E63BA1.20009@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060205232934.85913.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Antoine, I have the Grado Prestige Black also which plays sometimes on my VPI (my main cart is a Benz Ruby 2). Just four feet away, I have a 34in Sony crt tv and I don't pick up any hum. I suggest you check your grounding scheme and put some filtering for your mains power. Even the BX2 needs to be grounded. Regards Bala 79 Labs Antoine Deschênes wrote: Well... A Dragon is not a BX-2. Yes, having good components could help. But with my Grado Prestige Black cartridge, you can even hear the downstairs TV 15kHz whine in the output when it's on(My system is upstairs). My system is not well placed(You saw my pics!). The amp transformer is next to the rest and I hear it in the Nak and turntable. Just having an AC wire near the TT cartridge adds some hum. I might even put the turntable transformer in an external enclosure for this. Alex Cozac a écrit : > Hi Antoine! > > Yes it's true...but with my Dragon I never have or had any RFI > problem, could be that my others components are of a high > quality...that are superbly protected of any disturbances...who knows? > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Antoine Deschênes >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:26:45 -0500 >> >> These prevent speaker vibrations from affecting other components. >> There's no change for RFI and EMI which travels thru air. >> >> Alex Cozac a écrit : >>> Also as I use...,"Vibrapods or Cones"..., will help a lot! because I >>> also stack 4 items one at top of other & never hear any RFI problem! >>> >>> Good Luck! >>> >>> ALEX! >>> >>>> From: Antoine Deschênes >>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >>>> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:05:34 -0500 >>>> >>>> It sure picks up EMI but maybe not RFI. If you put it next to a TV >>>> and power on the TV when it's playing/rec, the degaussing will be >>>> heard. Same for moving magnet phono cartridges. Transformers make >>>> some EMI and that's why I hear a transformer in my BX-2's output. >>>> To reduce it, I unplug my TT and CD player(Are over and under it). >>>> Just putting shelves between the components could help a lot. >>>> (You've got one) >>>> >>>> If you want to test EMI, don't put any tapes and press play, and >>>> crank up the volume. >>>> >>>> Also, it depends of the model. I'm sure that there are other Naks >>>> that are better shielded than my BX-2. >>>> >>>> Ron a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> jerryjg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small >>>>>> room space as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks side >>>>>> by side, right next to other electronic compononts( an electronic >>>>>> signal processor, and also a Power conditioner unit). I cannot >>>>>> place my two naks side by side-they wont fit.Is there a chance >>>>>> that the Nak heads might pick up some hum from the other compononts? >>>>> >>>>> I wouldn't think so. Inductance of the head is very >>>>> small, it's not much of a coil at 60Hz. And it's >>>>> shielded by it's own case and by the deck box. >>>>> >>>>> However, I am a great believer in keeping components >>>>> separated, for thermal reasons. >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I cant play my system yet to actually >>>>>> tell.As always, help is much appreciated. >>>>>> --The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Mr Boeing, >>>>>> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is >>>>>> pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Mon Feb 6 02:45:55 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:45:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? Message-ID: Antoine; Given the fact that Nakmasters Ron and Graham, and Alex say that they have not had any trouble leads me to believe that you are experiencing some 60 cycle hum due to faulty or inadequate home system wiring. If you remember that these guys have done stuff like biuld dedicated house breakers and install massive noise filters,and utilize some of the worlds finest stereo gear- than I think its safe to say that Naks are not vulnerable to stray fields.I blew 199.00 on a power conditioner,but other than that I am probably in the same boat as you.At one time there was a discussion of moving next door to a nuclear power plant, to get pure power... My DSL provider is blocks away from where i live, and My 3mg connection is blazingly fast;I know theres a corellation between distance and speed on the DSL grid, but I cant recall whether something like that actually really exists on thre power grid. {Probably not. Its just everyone is hooked up to a pole tarnsformer, and the rreal issue is age/deterioration of your home wiring and whther you have a lot of stuff on the same circuit}. -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From enoyes at snet.net Mon Feb 6 13:00:09 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:00:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E73A49.4020108@snet.net> Just to add two cents, I have noticed that a CD player/processor/or recorder will introduce additional noise with any of my Naks if placed to close to the deck (within a couple of feet). I have verified this by listening to the noise drop off as I pick up the Nak and move the it farther away (even my DAT deck will add noise to the Nak's output). Given that all digital devices I've used (and there have been many) have done this, I can only assume that the interference is related to the digital circuitry introducing some rfi field. Ed jerryjg wrote: > Antoine; Given the fact that Nakmasters Ron and Graham, and Alex say > that they have not had any trouble leads me to believe that you are > experiencing some 60 cycle hum due to faulty or inadequate home > system wiring. If you remember that these guys have done stuff like > biuld dedicated house breakers and install massive noise filters,and > utilize some of the worlds finest stereo gear- than I think its safe > to say that Naks are not vulnerable to stray fields.I blew 199.00 > on a power conditioner,but other than that I am probably in the same > boat as you.At one time there was a discussion of moving next door to > a nuclear power plant, to get pure power... My DSL provider is blocks > away from where i live, and My 3mg connection is blazingly fast;I > know theres a corellation between distance and speed on the DSL grid, > but I cant recall whether something like that actually really exists > on thre power grid. {Probably not. Its just everyone is hooked up to > a pole tarnsformer, and the rreal issue is age/deterioration of your > home wiring and whther you have a lot of stuff on the same circuit}. > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 6 15:20:23 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:20:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: <43E73A49.4020108@snet.net> Message-ID: <009601c62b28$77c62b80$37be87d9@oemcomputer> Interesting. My CD player is sat virtually next to the ZX-9. I've not experienced any problems of that nature. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Edward Noyes > Sent: 06 February 2006 12:00 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? > > > Just to add two cents, I have noticed that a CD player/processor/or > recorder will introduce additional noise with any of my Naks if placed > to close to the deck (within a couple of feet). I have verified this by > listening to the noise drop off as I pick up the Nak and move the it > farther away (even my DAT deck will add noise to the Nak's output). > Given that all digital devices I've used (and there have been many) have > done this, I can only assume that the interference is related to the > digital circuitry introducing some rfi field. > > Ed > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 6 17:10:52 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:10:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: <20060205232934.85913.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060205232934.85913.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E7750C.4050006@yahoo.ca> Not the hum, the 15.??kHz whine from the TV flyback transformer. But I know that the grounding also is not really good. Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit : > Hi Antoine, > > I have the Grado Prestige Black also which plays > sometimes on my VPI (my main cart is a Benz Ruby 2). Just four feet > away, I have a 34in Sony crt tv and I don't pick up any hum. I suggest > you check your grounding scheme and put some filtering for your mains > power. Even the BX2 needs to be grounded. > > Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > */Antoine Deschênes /* wrote: > > Well... A Dragon is not a BX-2. Yes, having good components could > help. > But with my Grado Prestige Black cartridge, you can even hear the > downstairs TV 15kHz whine in the output when it's on(My system is > upstairs). > > My system is not well placed(You saw my pics!). The amp > transformer is > next to the rest and I hear it in the Nak and turntable. Just > having an > AC wire near the TT cartridge adds some hum. I might even put the > turntable transformer in an external enclosure for this. > > Alex Cozac a écrit : > > Hi Antoine! > > > > Yes it's true...but with my Dragon I never have or had any RFI > > problem, could be that my others components are of a high > > quality...that are superbly protected of any disturbances...who > knows? > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: Antoine Deschênes > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? > >> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:26:45 -0500 > >> > >> These prevent speaker vibrations from affecting other components. > >> There's no change for RFI and EMI which travels thru air. > >> > >> Alex Cozac a écrit : > >>> Also as I use...,"Vibrapods or Cones"..., will help a lot! > because I > >>> also stack 4 items one at top of other & never hear any RFI > problem! > >>> > >>> Good Luck! > >>> > >>> ALEX! > >>> > >>>> From: Antoine Deschênes > >>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>> To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? > >>>> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:05:34 -0500 > >>>> > >>>> It sure picks up EMI but maybe not RFI. If you put it next to > a TV > >>>> and power on the TV when it's playing/rec, the degaussing > will be > >>>> heard. Same for moving magnet phono cartridge! s. > Transformers make > >>>> some EMI and that's why I hear a transformer in my BX-2's > output. > >>>> To reduce it, I unplug my TT and CD player(Are over and under > it). > >>>> Just putting shelves between the components could help a lot. > >>>> (You've got one) > >>>> > >>>> If you want to test EMI, don't put any tapes and press play, and > >>>> crank up the volume. > >>>> > >>>> Also, it depends of the model. I'm sure that there are other > Naks > >>>> that are better shielded than my BX-2. > >>>> > >>>> Ron a écrit : > >>>>> > >>>>> jerryjg wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small > >>>>>> room space as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks > side > >>>>>> by ! side, right next to other electronic compononts( an > electronic > >>>>>> signal processor, and also a Power conditioner unit). I cannot > >>>>>> place my two naks side by side-they wont fit.Is there a chance > >>>>>> that the Nak heads might pick up some hum from the other > compononts? > >>>>> > >>>>> I wouldn't think so. Inductance of the head is very > >>>>> small, it's not much of a coil at 60Hz. And it's > >>>>> shielded by it's own case and by the deck box. > >>>>> > >>>>> However, I am a great believer in keeping components > >>>>> separated, for thermal reasons. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- Ron > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I cant play my system yet to actually > >>>>>> tell.As always, help is much appreciated. > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 6 17:12:52 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:12:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E77584.2080404@yahoo.ca> By the way, all these things I hear are mostly when I put the volume control over the normal listening level(Maybe 5x more). My CD player, DVD player and computer are not producing any hum. It's just the turntable and Nak. jerryjg a écrit : > Antoine; Given the fact that Nakmasters Ron and Graham, and Alex say > that they have not had any trouble leads me to believe that you are > experiencing some 60 cycle hum due to faulty or inadequate home system > wiring. If you remember that these guys have done stuff like biuld > dedicated house breakers and install massive noise filters,and utilize > some of the worlds finest stereo gear- than I think its safe to say > that Naks are not vulnerable to stray fields.I blew 199.00 on a > power conditioner,but other than that I am probably in the same boat > as you.At one time there was a discussion of moving next door to a > nuclear power plant, to get pure power... My DSL provider is blocks > away from where i live, and My 3mg connection is blazingly fast;I know > theres a corellation between distance and speed on the DSL grid, but I > cant recall whether something like that actually really exists on thre > power grid. {Probably not. Its just everyone is hooked up to a pole > tarnsformer, and the rreal issue is age/deterioration of your home > wiring and whther you have a lot of stuff on the same circuit}. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 6 17:16:31 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:16:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: <43E73A49.4020108@snet.net> References: <43E73A49.4020108@snet.net> Message-ID: <43E7765F.700@yahoo.ca> If I listen to 99.9MHz FM channel(weak signal), I have to keep my computer monitor off, turn off the ATX power supply of my computer and unplug my CD player. All of these have SMPS power supplies and produce a lot of RF. Also, if I play a CD in my CD player and listen to my tuner on 99.9MHz, I hear the actual content of the CD in the tuner! Edward Noyes a écrit : > Just to add two cents, I have noticed that a CD player/processor/or > recorder will introduce additional noise with any of my Naks if placed > to close to the deck (within a couple of feet). I have verified this > by listening to the noise drop off as I pick up the Nak and move the > it farther away (even my DAT deck will add noise to the Nak's output). > Given that all digital devices I've used (and there have been many) > have done this, I can only assume that the interference is related to > the digital circuitry introducing some rfi field. > > Ed > > jerryjg wrote: > >> Antoine; Given the fact that Nakmasters Ron and Graham, and Alex say >> that they have not had any trouble leads me to believe that you are >> experiencing some 60 cycle hum due to faulty or inadequate home >> system wiring. If you remember that these guys have done stuff like >> biuld dedicated house breakers and install massive noise filters,and >> utilize some of the worlds finest stereo gear- than I think its safe >> to say that Naks are not vulnerable to stray fields.I blew 199.00 >> on a power conditioner,but other than that I am probably in the >> same boat as you.At one time there was a discussion of moving next >> door to a nuclear power plant, to get pure power... My DSL provider >> is blocks away from where i live, and My 3mg connection is blazingly >> fast;I know theres a corellation between distance and speed on the >> DSL grid, but I cant recall whether something like that actually >> really exists on thre power grid. {Probably not. Its just everyone >> is hooked up to a pole tarnsformer, and the rreal issue is >> age/deterioration of your home wiring and whther you have a lot of >> stuff on the same circuit}. >> > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 6 17:18:27 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:18:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: <009601c62b28$77c62b80$37be87d9@oemcomputer> References: <009601c62b28$77c62b80$37be87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43E776D3.5030204@yahoo.ca> What if you put the volume control at max? If there's still nothing, then your CD player is not made of a cheapo thin metal case with an SMPS power supply. Higher end CD players shield each ICs individually with ground planes made of cooper sheet because digital circuits make a lot of noise. Nelson a écrit : > Interesting. My CD player is sat virtually next to the ZX-9. I've not > experienced any problems of that nature. > > Gra' > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Edward Noyes >> Sent: 06 February 2006 12:00 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >> >> >> Just to add two cents, I have noticed that a CD player/processor/or >> recorder will introduce additional noise with any of my Naks if placed >> to close to the deck (within a couple of feet). I have verified this by >> listening to the noise drop off as I pick up the Nak and move the it >> farther away (even my DAT deck will add noise to the Nak's output). >> Given that all digital devices I've used (and there have been many) have >> done this, I can only assume that the interference is related to the >> digital circuitry introducing some rfi field. >> >> Ed >> From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Feb 6 19:32:16 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:32:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? Message-ID: Hi Antoine! Now I just "Check:...with my equipment...at MC very low output Ortofon Jubilee, cartridge fitted to my lovely Rega RB-300 arm....at FULL clockwise "Gain" ARC named so instead "Volume"...NOTHING...only an very softy "Hiss" from the ARC phono stage...also as my Mono wired Dynaco power ST-70 MK/2 series power deliver 75 watt RMS...trough my vintage since 1954 ONE speaker from JBL named "Hartsfield near 110 DB efficiency...so little "Hiss" from the Phono stage is 100% OK. In normal "Gain/Volume exactly 11.00 o'clock knob position...TOTALLY SILENCE. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:18:27 -0500 > >What if you put the volume control at max? If there's still nothing, then >your CD player is not made of a cheapo thin metal case with an SMPS power >supply. Higher end CD players shield each ICs individually with ground >planes made of cooper sheet because digital circuits make a lot of noise. > >Nelson a �crit : >>Interesting. My CD player is sat virtually next to the ZX-9. I've not >>experienced any problems of that nature. >> >>Gra' >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>Behalf Of Edward Noyes >>>Sent: 06 February 2006 12:00 >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >>> >>> >>>Just to add two cents, I have noticed that a CD player/processor/or >>>recorder will introduce additional noise with any of my Naks if placed >>>to close to the deck (within a couple of feet). I have verified this by >>>listening to the noise drop off as I pick up the Nak and move the it >>>farther away (even my DAT deck will add noise to the Nak's output). >>>Given that all digital devices I've used (and there have been many) have >>>done this, I can only assume that the interference is related to the >>>digital circuitry introducing some rfi field. >>> >>>Ed >>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 6 20:07:51 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:07:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: <43E776D3.5030204@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <000a01c62b50$a0777840$eb8b87d9@oemcomputer> There's the answer ... mine's a pre-production Rega Jupiter 2000 CD player. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes > Sent: 06 February 2006 16:18 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? > > > What if you put the volume control at max? If there's still nothing, > then your CD player is not made of a cheapo thin metal case with an SMPS > power supply. Higher end CD players shield each ICs individually with > ground planes made of cooper sheet because digital circuits make a lot > of noise. > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 6 21:13:21 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:13:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E7ADE1.9080409@yahoo.ca> IIRC, Ortofons are sheilded while Grados aren't. It has low output so there's less chances to pick up hum. You don't have a plastic Technics turntable also. Alex Cozac a écrit : > Hi Antoine! > > Now I just "Check:...with my equipment...at MC very low output Ortofon > Jubilee, cartridge fitted to my lovely Rega RB-300 arm....at FULL > clockwise "Gain" ARC named so instead "Volume"...NOTHING...only an > very softy "Hiss" from the ARC phono stage...also as my Mono wired > Dynaco power ST-70 MK/2 series power deliver 75 watt RMS...trough my > vintage since 1954 ONE speaker from JBL named "Hartsfield near 110 DB > efficiency...so little "Hiss" from the Phono stage is 100% OK. In > normal "Gain/Volume exactly 11.00 o'clock knob position...TOTALLY > SILENCE. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! >> From: Antoine Deschênes >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:18:27 -0500 >> >> What if you put the volume control at max? If there's still nothing, >> then your CD player is not made of a cheapo thin metal case with an >> SMPS power supply. Higher end CD players shield each ICs individually >> with ground planes made of cooper sheet because digital circuits make >> a lot of noise. >> >> Nelson a écrit : >>> Interesting. My CD player is sat virtually next to the ZX-9. I've not >>> experienced any problems of that nature. >>> >>> Gra' >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>> Behalf Of Edward Noyes >>>> Sent: 06 February 2006 12:00 >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >>>> >>>> >>>> Just to add two cents, I have noticed that a CD player/processor/or >>>> recorder will introduce additional noise with any of my Naks if placed >>>> to close to the deck (within a couple of feet). I have verified >>>> this by >>>> listening to the noise drop off as I pick up the Nak and move the it >>>> farther away (even my DAT deck will add noise to the Nak's output). >>>> Given that all digital devices I've used (and there have been many) >>>> have >>>> done this, I can only assume that the interference is related to the >>>> digital circuitry introducing some rfi field. >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 6 22:18:09 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:18:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: <43E73A49.4020108@snet.net> References: <43E73A49.4020108@snet.net> Message-ID: <43E7BD11.2030609@rcn.com> Ed, The subject under discussion is noise pickup by the head and I am not sure that your or Antoin's noise examples are through head pickup. FWIW, my CR-7 sits 4" above a carousel CD player and 4" under a servo controlled ReVox turntable that utilizes a ton of digital control circuitry, complete with a high frequency oscillator; yet I never had any noise problem whatsoever. To be sure, each case of noise pickup (and probably, each deck) is different. While it's possible the digital circuitry does transmit too much RFI (it shouldn't, if the equipment meets the FCC class B spec), it's as possible that you have a grounding problem inside the deck that manifests itself in exactly the way you describe. -- Ron Edward Noyes wrote: > Just to add two cents, I have noticed that a CD player/processor/or > recorder will introduce additional noise with any of my Naks if placed > to close to the deck (within a couple of feet). I have verified this by > listening to the noise drop off as I pick up the Nak and move the it > farther away (even my DAT deck will add noise to the Nak's output). > Given that all digital devices I've used (and there have been many) have > done this, I can only assume that the interference is related to the > digital circuitry introducing some rfi field. > > Ed > > jerryjg wrote: > >> Antoine; Given the fact that Nakmasters Ron and Graham, and Alex say >> that they have not had any trouble leads me to believe that you are >> experiencing some 60 cycle hum due to faulty or inadequate home >> system wiring. If you remember that these guys have done stuff like >> biuld dedicated house breakers and install massive noise filters,and >> utilize some of the worlds finest stereo gear- than I think its safe >> to say that Naks are not vulnerable to stray fields.I blew 199.00 >> on a power conditioner,but other than that I am probably in the same >> boat as you.At one time there was a discussion of moving next door to >> a nuclear power plant, to get pure power... My DSL provider is blocks >> away from where i live, and My 3mg connection is blazingly fast;I >> know theres a corellation between distance and speed on the DSL grid, >> but I cant recall whether something like that actually really exists >> on thre power grid. {Probably not. Its just everyone is hooked up to >> a pole tarnsformer, and the rreal issue is age/deterioration of your >> home wiring and whther you have a lot of stuff on the same circuit}. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 6 23:05:15 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:05:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: <43E7BD11.2030609@rcn.com> References: <43E73A49.4020108@snet.net> <43E7BD11.2030609@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43E7C81B.9030206@yahoo.ca> Well, my Nak is (now) right next to a monitor and when it's on, I hear a buzzing sound. Also, when other components with transformers are connected and powered next to it, there is more hum. An easy way to test for RFI and EMI is to use a portable radio on AM 890. It hums next to AC wires and PSUs, you hear strange sounds next to CD players, motors, monitors, computers(Also mouse and keyboard) and remote controls. If you want to know if there is humming in a metal part, touch the antenna and the part in question. FCC class 15(BTW Class B is per Canadian ICES-003) states: (1)This device may not cause -harmful- interference, and (2) this device must accept any interference received including interference that may cause undesired operation. Ron a écrit : > > Ed, > > The subject under discussion is noise pickup by the > head and I am not sure that your or Antoin's noise > examples are through head pickup. FWIW, my CR-7 sits > 4" above a carousel CD player and 4" under a servo > controlled ReVox turntable that utilizes a ton of > digital control circuitry, complete with a high > frequency oscillator; yet I never had any noise > problem whatsoever. > > To be sure, each case of noise pickup (and probably, > each deck) is different. While it's possible the > digital circuitry does transmit too much RFI (it > shouldn't, if the equipment meets the FCC class B > spec), it's as possible that you have a grounding > problem inside the deck that manifests itself in > exactly the way you describe. > > -- Ron > > > > Edward Noyes wrote: >> Just to add two cents, I have noticed that a CD player/processor/or >> recorder will introduce additional noise with any of my Naks if >> placed to close to the deck (within a couple of feet). I have >> verified this by listening to the noise drop off as I pick up the Nak >> and move the it farther away (even my DAT deck will add noise to the >> Nak's output). Given that all digital devices I've used (and there >> have been many) have done this, I can only assume that the >> interference is related to the digital circuitry introducing some rfi >> field. >> >> Ed >> >> jerryjg wrote: >> >>> Antoine; Given the fact that Nakmasters Ron and Graham, and Alex say >>> that they have not had any trouble leads me to believe that you >>> are experiencing some 60 cycle hum due to faulty or inadequate home >>> system wiring. If you remember that these guys have done stuff like >>> biuld dedicated house breakers and install massive noise >>> filters,and utilize some of the worlds finest stereo gear- than I >>> think its safe to say that Naks are not vulnerable to stray >>> fields.I blew 199.00 on a power conditioner,but other than that >>> I am probably in the same boat as you.At one time there was a >>> discussion of moving next door to a nuclear power plant, to get >>> pure power... My DSL provider is blocks away from where i live, and >>> My 3mg connection is blazingly fast;I know theres a corellation >>> between distance and speed on the DSL grid, but I cant recall >>> whether something like that actually really exists on thre power >>> grid. {Probably not. Its just everyone is hooked up to a pole >>> tarnsformer, and the rreal issue is age/deterioration of your home >>> wiring and whther you have a lot of stuff on the same circuit}. From jmcookiii at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 7 02:33:35 2006 From: jmcookiii at bellsouth.net (John Cook) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:33:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E Message-ID: <000901c62b86$83965f80$6401a8c0@Office> I'm a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the difference between a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? Thanks, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Tue Feb 7 03:40:34 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:40:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E References: <000901c62b86$83965f80$6401a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <020e01c62b8f$df7bfb80$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "John Cook" > I'm a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the difference between > a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? A = Model made for the United States market E = Model made for the European market. I believe the real difference is that the models made for the European market will work with 110/220V wiring while the models made for the United States will only work with 110V wiring. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Feb 7 03:42:42 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:42:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? Message-ID: Hi Antoine! Yes I own a Technics SL-120 ALL GRAY METAL one, which weight 13 kilos. made during 1973m is the same 1200 series...but for "Home use" (Not DJ), sold always with NO arm fitted...prepared from the factory with SME mount metal arm fit board. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:13:21 -0500 > >IIRC, Ortofons are sheilded while Grados aren't. It has low output so >there's less chances to pick up hum. You don't have a plastic Technics >turntable also. > >Alex Cozac a �crit : >>Hi Antoine! >> >>Now I just "Check:...with my equipment...at MC very low output Ortofon >>Jubilee, cartridge fitted to my lovely Rega RB-300 arm....at FULL >>clockwise "Gain" ARC named so instead "Volume"...NOTHING...only an very >>softy "Hiss" from the ARC phono stage...also as my Mono wired Dynaco power >>ST-70 MK/2 series power deliver 75 watt RMS...trough my vintage since 1954 >>ONE speaker from JBL named "Hartsfield near 110 DB efficiency...so little >>"Hiss" from the Phono stage is 100% OK. In normal "Gain/Volume exactly >>11.00 o'clock knob position...TOTALLY SILENCE. >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >>>From: Antoine Desch�nes >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >>>Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:18:27 -0500 >>> >>>What if you put the volume control at max? If there's still nothing, then >>>your CD player is not made of a cheapo thin metal case with an SMPS power >>>supply. Higher end CD players shield each ICs individually with ground >>>planes made of cooper sheet because digital circuits make a lot of noise. >>> >>>Nelson a �crit : >>>>Interesting. My CD player is sat virtually next to the ZX-9. I've not >>>>experienced any problems of that nature. >>>> >>>>Gra' >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>>>Behalf Of Edward Noyes >>>>>Sent: 06 February 2006 12:00 >>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Just to add two cents, I have noticed that a CD player/processor/or >>>>>recorder will introduce additional noise with any of my Naks if placed >>>>>to close to the deck (within a couple of feet). I have verified this by >>>>>listening to the noise drop off as I pick up the Nak and move the it >>>>>farther away (even my DAT deck will add noise to the Nak's output). >>>>>Given that all digital devices I've used (and there have been many) >>>>>have >>>>>done this, I can only assume that the interference is related to the >>>>>digital circuitry introducing some rfi field. >>>>> >>>>>Ed >>>>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Feb 7 03:52:25 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:52:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E Message-ID: Hi John! I'm not 100% sure, on "A"...but "E"...means for the European market factory wired for 220/240 mains volts. NO way to change voltages moving an a simple Switch for alloy to be use in USA/Canada/Japan mains voltages ALEX! >From: "John Cook" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:33:35 -0600 > >I'm a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the difference >between >a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? > > > >Thanks, > >John > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Feb 7 04:00:37 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:00:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E Message-ID: Hi Greynolds! You wrote....! market will work with 110/220V. NOT really, as per example my European (Brought in Switzerland), came ONLY 220 factory wired. Also take note...that very earlier Nak decks as my Tri Tracer 1000/2 from 1978...always was fitted with an a expensive huge "Multi-Voltage" transformer...after Nakamichi drop this "Expensive" feature for more profit. Cheers, ALEX! >From: greynolds at newsguy.com >Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:40:34 -0500 > >From: "John Cook" > > > I'm a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the difference >between > > a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? > > >A = Model made for the United States market >E = Model made for the European market. > >I believe the real difference is that the models made for the European >market will work with 110/220V wiring while the models made for the United >States will only work with 110V wiring. >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds >http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 6 18:02:31 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:02:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: <43E7750C.4050006@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060206170231.62793.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Antoine, Reading all the RFI/EMI troubles, I suggest you check your grounding system and your mains wiring. Like Edward has suggested, the wiring may also have some problems. The vibrapods Alex has used also gives your equipment that all important space. What you can do is improve the EMI filtering on the input of your CD player and tuner. I have even plugged in my laptop(running on its charger) into my amps and have no whine. Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Antoine Deschênes wrote: Not the hum, the 15.??kHz whine from the TV flyback transformer. But I know that the grounding also is not really good. Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit : > Hi Antoine, > > I have the Grado Prestige Black also which plays > sometimes on my VPI (my main cart is a Benz Ruby 2). Just four feet > away, I have a 34in Sony crt tv and I don't pick up any hum. I suggest > you check your grounding scheme and put some filtering for your mains > power. Even the BX2 needs to be grounded. > > Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > */Antoine Deschênes /* wrote: > > Well... A Dragon is not a BX-2. Yes, having good components could > help. > But with my Grado Prestige Black cartridge, you can even hear the > downstairs TV 15kHz whine in the output when it's on(My system is > upstairs). > > My system is not well placed(You saw my pics!). The amp > transformer is > next to the rest and I hear it in the Nak and turntable. Just > having an > AC wire near the TT cartridge adds some hum. I might even put the > turntable transformer in an external enclosure for this. > > Alex Cozac a écrit : > > Hi Antoine! > > > > Yes it's true...but with my Dragon I never have or had any RFI > > problem, could be that my others components are of a high > > quality...that are superbly protected of any disturbances...who > knows? > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: Antoine Deschênes > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? > >> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:26:45 -0500 > >> > >> These prevent speaker vibrations from affecting other components. > >> There's no change for RFI and EMI which travels thru air. > >> > >> Alex Cozac a écrit : > >>> Also as I use...,"Vibrapods or Cones"..., will help a lot! > because I > >>> also stack 4 items one at top of other & never hear any RFI > problem! > >>> > >>> Good Luck! > >>> > >>> ALEX! > >>> > >>>> From: Antoine Deschênes > >>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>> To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? > >>>> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:05:34 -0500 > >>>> > >>>> It sure picks up EMI but maybe not RFI. If you put it next to > a TV > >>>> and power on the TV when it's playing/rec, the degaussing > will be > >>>> heard. Same for moving magnet phono cartridge! s. > Transformers make > >>>> some EMI and that's why I hear a transformer in my BX-2's > output. > >>>> To reduce it, I unplug my TT and CD player(Are over and under > it). > >>>> Just putting shelves between the components could help a lot. > >>>> (You've got one) > >>>> > >>>> If you want to test EMI, don't put any tapes and press play, and > >>>> crank up the volume. > >>>> > >>>> Also, it depends of the model. I'm sure that there are other > Naks > >>>> that are better shielded than my BX-2. > >>>> > >>>> Ron a écrit : > >>>>> > >>>>> jerryjg wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small > >>>>>> room space as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks > side > >>>>>> by ! side, right next to other electronic compononts( an > electronic > >>>>>> signal processor, and also a Power conditioner unit). I cannot > >>>>>> place my two naks side by side-they wont fit.Is there a chance > >>>>>> that the Nak heads might pick up some hum from the other > compononts? > >>>>> > >>>>> I wouldn't think so. Inductance of the head is very > >>>>> small, it's not much of a coil at 60Hz. And it's > >>>>> shielded by it's own case and by the deck box. > >>>>> > >>>>> However, I am a great believer in keeping components > >>>>> separated, for thermal reasons. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- Ron > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I cant play my system yet to actually > >>>>>> tell.As always, help is much appreciated. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Feb 7 03:30:44 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:30:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak operatinrg temperatrures Message-ID: I recently upgraded a CPU on my computer, and I downloadED a program thAT MONITORS cpu PROCESS FUNCTION. tHIS PROGRAM GIVES THE IDEAL OPERATING TEMPERATURE FOR MY pcu, AND ALSO PROVIDES REAL time actual CPU operating temperature stats. Thats why i was wondering(wandering?) if there is any inside case temperatures to consider whem operating A nAKAMICHI cASSETTE DECK.PC case fans and good heat sink fan reduce opetaing temps in a PC. Reducing operating temperatures in a PC results in in improved efficiency and greater life expectancy. Is there any correlation to the operating temperature inside the Nakamichi case?Has anyone ever considered puting a dedicated case fan(that could wreck resale value)Into their Nakamichi to reduce operating temps and improve eficciency?? Is the PC/Nakamichi cporeelation totally different? I'M trying to cover some ground in operations procedure. -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Tue Feb 7 09:14:16 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:14:16 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Could Nak heads pick up RFI? Message-ID: <006e01c62bbe$7cfa5900$0201a8c0@lan> Ok, I am going to play the role of dummy here. There has been a lot of discussion on RFI, but I am sure a lot of the problem is what I understand to be EMI.. (I'm a chemist remember, not a physicist).. and that is electro magnetic interference. If the 'fuzz' is coming from transformers etc, then installing some mu metal screening should solve the problem, as has been used to sheild transformers, other sensitive parts of Audio equipment, and NMR spectrometers... Anybody working with valve audio should also know to what I refer! With regards to Nak stacks etc, mine almost all work OK as stacked, with no audibly detectable hum, interference etc, and my Philips CD resides alongside my ZX7. The only deck that gives me any occasional grief is my CR2; both in record and playback..under certain circumstances you can hear a cyclical 'click' in the recording and when playing back tapes recorded on this or other naks.. and I have yet to figure out which of the other components is causing it.. it isn't high priority...If used by itself..fine.. The main point is,.. if you have an RFI/EMI problem, what about using mu metal to screen the 'problem'? TTFN Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 09:25:50 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 00:25:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E In-Reply-To: <007d01c62bbf$b01bd600$eb8b87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060207082550.84231.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Let's not forget the CR-70, made for the Japanese home market Regards Bala 79 Labs Nelson wrote: @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } I understand there were three models: CR-7 - multi switchable voltage, available outside of Europe and the USA (This is rarely seen on eBay and I suspect would fetch a higher price than the A or E models) CR-7A - USA market, for 110V CR-7E - European Market, for 220/240V Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Cook Sent: 07 February 2006 01:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E I’m a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the difference between a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? Thanks, John ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Feb 7 10:00:30 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:00:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060207090030.7407.qmail@web86503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Alex Just a point of order! Nak did not change the "Expensive Multi voltage TX's for more profit" as you say but it was to comply to the various Class 11 electrical standards that were/are applicable in the various counties of Europe In fact it was more expensive to comply than having a multi TX's, by having to supply different TX's, improved insulatation and wider spacing of componets and of course the cost of the testing of the models in the various countries in the name of safer products!!! I know because I was involved getting Nak's and Yamaha products through BS 415 in the UK from 76, it was very expensive in time and money............ T. Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Greynolds! You wrote....! >market will work with 110/220V. NOT really, as per example my European (Brought in Switzerland), came ONLY 220 factory wired. Also take note...that very earlier Nak decks as my Tri Tracer 1000/2 from 1978...always was fitted with an a expensive huge "Multi-Voltage" transformer...after Nakamichi drop this "Expensive" feature for more profit. Cheers, ALEX! >From: greynolds at newsguy.com >Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:40:34 -0500 > >From: "John Cook" > > > I'm a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the difference >between > > a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? > > >A = Model made for the United States market >E = Model made for the European market. > >I believe the real difference is that the models made for the European >market will work with 110/220V wiring while the models made for the United >States will only work with 110V wiring. >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds >http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sendigitall at yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 10:07:31 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 01:07:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs In-Reply-To: <200602070822.k178Ml9q011329@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060207090731.18182.qmail@web52912.mail.yahoo.com> hi i saw a BX300 in an old electronic store ....when powered up the capstains are running ..but ..when play is pressed..the heads engages, there is output ..and then it disengages and in a few secs ....forward and rewind also dont work ..its a rubber idler model ...as far i saw the tyre "looks" to be ok to me ....well ..wat else should i look in for to confirm the type of the problem ?...if not ..i guess it can be used for parts ....... regrds senthil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Feb 7 11:59:10 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:59:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: <43E7BD11.2030609@rcn.com> References: <43E73A49.4020108@snet.net> <43E7BD11.2030609@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43E87D7E.8070806@snet.net> This has really piqued my curiosity now. I have tried three Naks with the same results. Depending on orientation and distance, I can hear a distinct hum which is just above the residual noise floor of the deck in play mode. As I move the deck away from the digital source, the hum goes away. It's subtle, but noticable... and I think it's safe to say that we all get kind of crazy about even subtle problems with out equipment! I should add that the solution for me is simply to keep the Naks away from such devices, but it is a curiosity. Thanks for all the input. Ed Ron wrote: > > Ed, > > The subject under discussion is noise pickup by the > head and I am not sure that your or Antoin's noise > examples are through head pickup. FWIW, my CR-7 sits > 4" above a carousel CD player and 4" under a servo > controlled ReVox turntable that utilizes a ton of > digital control circuitry, complete with a high > frequency oscillator; yet I never had any noise > problem whatsoever. > > To be sure, each case of noise pickup (and probably, > each deck) is different. While it's possible the > digital circuitry does transmit too much RFI (it > shouldn't, if the equipment meets the FCC class B > spec), it's as possible that you have a grounding > problem inside the deck that manifests itself in > exactly the way you describe. > > -- Ron > > > > Edward Noyes wrote: > >> Just to add two cents, I have noticed that a CD player/processor/or >> recorder will introduce additional noise with any of my Naks if >> placed to close to the deck (within a couple of feet). I have >> verified this by listening to the noise drop off as I pick up the Nak >> and move the it farther away (even my DAT deck will add noise to the >> Nak's output). Given that all digital devices I've used (and there >> have been many) have done this, I can only assume that the >> interference is related to the digital circuitry introducing some rfi >> field. >> >> Ed >> >> jerryjg wrote: >> >>> Antoine; Given the fact that Nakmasters Ron and Graham, and Alex say >>> that they have not had any trouble leads me to believe that you >>> are experiencing some 60 cycle hum due to faulty or inadequate home >>> system wiring. If you remember that these guys have done stuff like >>> biuld dedicated house breakers and install massive noise >>> filters,and utilize some of the worlds finest stereo gear- than I >>> think its safe to say that Naks are not vulnerable to stray >>> fields.I blew 199.00 on a power conditioner,but other than that >>> I am probably in the same boat as you.At one time there was a >>> discussion of moving next door to a nuclear power plant, to get >>> pure power... My DSL provider is blocks away from where i live, and >>> My 3mg connection is blazingly fast;I know theres a corellation >>> between distance and speed on the DSL grid, but I cant recall >>> whether something like that actually really exists on thre power >>> grid. {Probably not. Its just everyone is hooked up to a pole >>> tarnsformer, and the rreal issue is age/deterioration of your home >>> wiring and whther you have a lot of stuff on the same circuit}. >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 7 13:14:26 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:14:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E In-Reply-To: <20060207082550.84231.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b701c62be0$09adeda0$eb8b87d9@oemcomputer> Of course! I'd completely forgotten that model, which I believe was just a re-badged CR-7. Gra -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 07 February 2006 08:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E Let's not forget the CR-70, made for the Japanese home market Regards Bala 79 Labs Nelson wrote: I understand there were three models: CR-7 - multi switchable voltage, available outside of Europe and the USA (This is rarely seen on eBay and I suspect would fetch a higher price than the A or E models) CR-7A - USA market, for 110V CR-7E - European Market, for 220/240V Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teethrus at bigpond.net.au Tue Feb 7 14:10:52 2006 From: teethrus at bigpond.net.au (Nick Mega) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:10:52 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak repaires Australia Message-ID: <43E89C5C.3030403@bigpond.net.au> Hi Guys Who in Australia can repair nakamichis? Thanks Nick -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 6/2/2006 From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 7 14:55:55 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 08:55:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E In-Reply-To: <000901c62b86$83965f80$6401a8c0@Office> References: <000901c62b86$83965f80$6401a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <43E8A6EB.8000909@rcn.com> The E suffix is used for European models (230VAC-50Hz) and the A suffix for American models (115VAC-60Hz). Just FYI, the O model has a dual primary power transformer that can accommodate either power line. -- Ron John Cook wrote: > I’m a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the difference > between a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 7 15:08:04 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:08:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak operatinrg temperatrures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E8A9C4.4010202@rcn.com> jerryjg wrote: > I recently upgraded a CPU on my computer, and I downloadED a program > thAT MONITORS cpu PROCESS FUNCTION. tHIS PROGRAM GIVES THE IDEAL > OPERATING TEMPERATURE FOR MY pcu, AND ALSO PROVIDES REAL time actual CPU > operating temperature stats. Thats why i was wondering(wandering?) if > there is any inside case temperatures to consider whem operating A > nAKAMICHI cASSETTE DECK.PC case fans and good heat sink fan reduce > opetaing temps in a PC. Reducing operating temperatures in a PC results > in in improved efficiency and greater life expectancy. Is there any > correlation to the operating temperature inside the Nakamichi case?Has > anyone ever considered puting a dedicated case fan(that could wreck > resale value)Into their Nakamichi to reduce operating temps and improve > eficciency?? Is the PC/Nakamichi cporeelation totally different? I'M > trying to cover some ground in operations procedure. > --The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > > Dear Mr Boeing, > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as > well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > Yours sincerely, > Pan Am The Nak case and circuitry were designed for use as is, without butchering by the end user. I am not sure why you wish to second guess the Nak design engineers, it looks like they knew what they were doing. Fans have some serious drawbacks. For one thing, the case has to be designed to accommodate them. (As, for example, are PC cases.) Second, they are noisy (both mechanically and electrically) - not a good 'feature' for an audio component. Third, their reliability is poor and life length, even poorer. In the case of a cassette deck, there is nothing to be gained and a lot to be lost by adding a fan. Leave well enough alone. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 7 15:26:42 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:26:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E In-Reply-To: <00b701c62be0$09adeda0$eb8b87d9@oemcomputer> References: <00b701c62be0$09adeda0$eb8b87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43E8AE22.2090808@rcn.com> I just stated that the RC-70 was the multi voltage model, and wondered whether I had screwed up... so, I pulled the service manual. Models listed on the front cover are CR-7, CR-7A and CR-7E. The schematic shows power transformers for 'Europe' (220V and 240V taps, internally hardwired), for USA (115V) and for Other (dual primary, switch selectable), with none shown for the plain CR-7 (presumably, 100V, for Japan)... Phew... -- Ron Nelson wrote: > Of course! I'd completely forgotten that model, which I believe was > just a re-badged CR-7. > > Gra > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* Bala Ganesh Chandra > *Sent:* 07 February 2006 08:26 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E > > Let's not forget the CR-70, made for the Japanese home market > > Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > */Nelson /* wrote: > > I understand there were three models: > > CR-7 - multi switchable voltage, available outside of Europe > and the USA (This is rarely seen on eBay and I suspect would > fetch a higher price than the A or E models) > CR-7A - USA market, for 110V > CR-7E - European Market, for 220/240V > > Gra' > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 7 15:30:05 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:30:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs In-Reply-To: <20060207090731.18182.qmail@web52912.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060207090731.18182.qmail@web52912.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E8AEED.1030106@rcn.com> senthil nathan wrote: > hi > i saw a BX300 in an old electronic store ....when powered up > the capstains are running ..but ..when play is pressed..the heads > engages, there is output ..and then it disengages and in a few secs > ....forward and rewind also dont work ..its a rubber idler model ...as > far i saw the tyre "looks" to be ok to me ....well ..wat else should i > look in for to confirm the type of the problem ?...if not ..i guess it > can be used for parts ....... > > regrds > senthil If the idler tire is working properly, the next thing I'd suspect is the reel motor or its adjustment. If that, too, is good -- the EOT sensor/circuit. -- Ron From alex at autoconsortium.com Tue Feb 7 16:57:07 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:57:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] service manuals Message-ID: <200602071457.k17EvnrR027883@kropotkin.circlecity.net> I am pretty new around here and I have noticed you guys talking about service manuals. I need to look at one for an OMS7 cd player. Anyone have this manual? Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 16:04:14 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:04:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E In-Reply-To: <43E8AE22.2090808@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060207150414.77240.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That has been the way Nakamichi did their decks from the 70s itself. I am not too sure of the older decks, but the 6xx(zx) series onwards followed this power supply scheme. However, only the CR7 seems to have discrete model numbers to show which part of the world they are being sold. The CR-70 was sold within Japan. I don't think it differs from the standard CR-7. However, some other manufacturers made models for their own market that had better features and sometimes, better performce. Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Ron wrote: I just stated that the RC-70 was the multi voltage model, and wondered whether I had screwed up... so, I pulled the service manual. Models listed on the front cover are CR-7, CR-7A and CR-7E. The schematic shows power transformers for 'Europe' (220V and 240V taps, internally hardwired), for USA (115V) and for Other (dual primary, switch selectable), with none shown for the plain CR-7 (presumably, 100V, for Japan)... Phew... -- Ron Nelson wrote: > Of course! I'd completely forgotten that model, which I believe was > just a re-badged CR-7. > > Gra > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of* Bala Ganesh Chandra > *Sent:* 07 February 2006 08:26 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E > > Let's not forget the CR-70, made for the Japanese home market > > Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > */Nelson /* wrote: > > I understand there were three models: > > CR-7 - multi switchable voltage, available outside of Europe > and the USA (This is rarely seen on eBay and I suspect would > fetch a higher price than the A or E models) > CR-7A - USA market, for 110V > CR-7E - European Market, for 220/240V > > Gra' > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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The fact that it decreases with distance means it is unlikely to be a ground loop problem, and is most likely EMI being picked up from the power supply transformers in your other components by the electronics or heads in your Nak. Regarding mu-metal, it is very interesting stuff. I have done some experimenting with it, and have read a good deal as well. Mu-metal works by absorbing EMI rather than by reflecting it, hence high permeability mu-metal is more efficient (seems counter intuitive). It also woks best if its shape is the same as the magnetic flux lines being intercepted. So rounded shapes tend to work better than flat plates. For instance, a can around a transformer would be an ideal shielding shape to prevent EMI from escaping. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Feb 7 18:21:49 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:21:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-70 References: <000901c62b86$83965f80$6401a8c0@Office> <43E8A6EB.8000909@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001801c62c0a$fc4fa150$2ed217c4@home> The CR 70 is solely for Japan. (100v) Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E > > > The E suffix is used for European models (230VAC-50Hz) > and the A suffix for American models (115VAC-60Hz). Just > FYI, the O model has a dual primary power transformer > that can accommodate either power line. > > -- Ron > > > > John Cook wrote: >> I’m a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the difference >> between a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Feb 7 20:08:09 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:08:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E Message-ID: Hi Terry! Thank so much for your erudite confirmation, I appreciate very much...yes seems me reasonable, but as I wrote...my Tri Tracer 1000/2, 500, 600, that I own during the the 80ties...if i recall well ALL those units were Multi-Voltage ones...now my gifted Dragon...NO is ONLY wired for European market. All my best wishes! ALEX! >From: TERRY FINN >Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:00:30 +0000 (GMT) > >Hi Alex > > Just a point of order! > > Nak did not change the "Expensive Multi voltage TX's for more profit" as >you say > but it was to comply to the various Class 11 electrical standards that >were/are applicable in the various counties of Europe In fact it was more >expensive to comply > than having a multi TX's, by having to supply different TX's, improved >insulatation and wider spacing of componets and of course the cost of the >testing of the models in the various countries in the name of safer >products!!! > I know because I was involved getting Nak's and Yamaha products through >BS 415 in the UK from 76, it was very expensive in time and >money............ > > T. > > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Greynolds! > >You wrote....! > > >market will work with 110/220V. > >NOT really, as per example my European (Brought in Switzerland), came ONLY >220 factory wired. > >Also take note...that very earlier Nak decks as my Tri Tracer 1000/2 from >1978...always was fitted with an a expensive huge "Multi-Voltage" >transformer...after Nakamichi drop this "Expensive" feature for more >profit. > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: greynolds at newsguy.com > >Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E > >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:40:34 -0500 > > > >From: "John Cook" > > > > > I'm a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the difference > >between > > > a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? > > > > > >A = Model made for the United States market > >E = Model made for the European market. > > > >I believe the real difference is that the models made for the European > >market will work with 110/220V wiring while the models made for the >United > >States will only work with 110V wiring. > >-- > >Geoffrey Reynolds > >http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Feb 7 20:09:31 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:09:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs In-Reply-To: <20060207090731.18182.qmail@web52912.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Senthil! Can be belts!!!!! broken!!! ALEX! >From: senthil nathan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 01:07:31 -0800 (PST) > >hi > i saw a BX300 in an old electronic store ....when powered up the >capstains are running ..but ..when play is pressed..the heads engages, >there is output ..and then it disengages and in a few secs ....forward and >rewind also dont work ..its a rubber idler model ...as far i saw the tyre >"looks" to be ok to me ....well ..wat else should i look in for to confirm >the type of the problem ?...if not ..i guess it can be used for parts >....... > >regrds >senthil > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Feb 7 20:38:05 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:38:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060207193805.63691.qmail@web86510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi ALex The Multi Voltage was made available for quite a time as a general export model but could not be sold by retailers legitimately!! in the UK and most of Europe from around 78,ish. Regards T. Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Terry! Thank so much for your erudite confirmation, I appreciate very much...yes seems me reasonable, but as I wrote...my Tri Tracer 1000/2, 500, 600, that I own during the the 80ties...if i recall well ALL those units were Multi-Voltage ones...now my gifted Dragon...NO is ONLY wired for European market. All my best wishes! ALEX! >From: TERRY FINN >Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:00:30 +0000 (GMT) > >Hi Alex > > Just a point of order! > > Nak did not change the "Expensive Multi voltage TX's for more profit" as >you say > but it was to comply to the various Class 11 electrical standards that >were/are applicable in the various counties of Europe In fact it was more >expensive to comply > than having a multi TX's, by having to supply different TX's, improved >insulatation and wider spacing of componets and of course the cost of the >testing of the models in the various countries in the name of safer >products!!! > I know because I was involved getting Nak's and Yamaha products through >BS 415 in the UK from 76, it was very expensive in time and >money............ > > T. > > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Greynolds! > >You wrote....! > > >market will work with 110/220V. > >NOT really, as per example my European (Brought in Switzerland), came ONLY >220 factory wired. > >Also take note...that very earlier Nak decks as my Tri Tracer 1000/2 from >1978...always was fitted with an a expensive huge "Multi-Voltage" >transformer...after Nakamichi drop this "Expensive" feature for more >profit. > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: greynolds at newsguy.com > >Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E > >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:40:34 -0500 > > > >From: "John Cook" > > > > > I'm a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the difference > >between > > > a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? > > > > > >A = Model made for the United States market > >E = Model made for the European market. > > > >I believe the real difference is that the models made for the European > >market will work with 110/220V wiring while the models made for the >United > >States will only work with 110V wiring. > >-- > >Geoffrey Reynolds > >http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Feb 7 20:57:55 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:57:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E Message-ID: Hi Terry! That is something NEW...for me...my Tri Tracer 1000/2 was directly imported from Nakamichi in California during middle 1978...still with me & is a Multi-Voltage one. Could be that for UK...there was "Prohibid"...any Multi-Voltage unit...but all QUAD units from IK importation were Multi-Voltage units...also my las Quad ESL-57 black grille...imported directly from Quad factory during middle 78...was Multi-Voltage unit...so really I can't comprehend...WHY Nippon products...were NOT allowed to be imported in UK or Europe?, I recall now that my Nak 500 under "Sonab" from Sweden stereo factory was 100% provide with similarly Multi-Voltage huge & expensive transformer that my Nak branded 500 & 600 & of course my Tri Tracer 1000/2...Amazing...no... Terry! Cheers, ALEX! >From: TERRY FINN >Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:38:05 +0000 (GMT) > >Hi ALex > > The Multi Voltage was made available for quite a time as a general >export model > but could not be sold by retailers legitimately!! in the UK and most of >Europe > from around 78,ish. > > Regards > T. > >Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Terry! > >Thank so much for your erudite confirmation, I appreciate very much...yes >seems me reasonable, but as I wrote...my Tri Tracer 1000/2, 500, 600, that >I >own during the the 80ties...if i recall well ALL those units were >Multi-Voltage ones...now my gifted Dragon...NO is ONLY wired for European >market. > >All my best wishes! > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: TERRY FINN > >Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > >Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E > >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:00:30 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Hi Alex > > > > Just a point of order! > > > > Nak did not change the "Expensive Multi voltage TX's for more profit" as > >you say > > but it was to comply to the various Class 11 electrical standards that > >were/are applicable in the various counties of Europe In fact it was more > >expensive to comply > > than having a multi TX's, by having to supply different TX's, improved > >insulatation and wider spacing of componets and of course the cost of the > >testing of the models in the various countries in the name of safer > >products!!! > > I know because I was involved getting Nak's and Yamaha products through > >BS 415 in the UK from 76, it was very expensive in time and > >money............ > > > > T. > > > > > > > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > > Hi Greynolds! > > > >You wrote....! > > > > >market will work with 110/220V. > > > >NOT really, as per example my European (Brought in Switzerland), came >ONLY > >220 factory wired. > > > >Also take note...that very earlier Nak decks as my Tri Tracer 1000/2 from > >1978...always was fitted with an a expensive huge "Multi-Voltage" > >transformer...after Nakamichi drop this "Expensive" feature for more > >profit. > > > >Cheers, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: greynolds at newsguy.com > > >Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E > > >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:40:34 -0500 > > > > > >From: "John Cook" > > > > > > > I'm a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the difference > > >between > > > > a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? > > > > > > > > >A = Model made for the United States market > > >E = Model made for the European market. > > > > > >I believe the real difference is that the models made for the European > > >market will work with 110/220V wiring while the models made for the > >United > > >States will only work with 110V wiring. > > >-- > > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > >http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Feb 7 21:23:35 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:23:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? In-Reply-To: <20060206170231.62793.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060206170231.62793.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E901C7.6010009@yahoo.ca> BTW, moving the equipment changes things. It's just that if (example) I put a cheapo CD player right under my Nak and that it's plugged and on, there's digital sound in the Nak output. I know that I could add filtering, but if I plug the EMI-making equipment(in the same plug) and put it at a far distance from the tape deck and TT cart, there's no more problems. All my equipment comes with 2-prong plugs(Double insulated), and you can't really change something to grounding with this. Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit : > Hi Antoine, > > Reading all the RFI/EMI troubles, I suggest you check your > grounding system and your mains wiring. Like Edward has suggested, the > wiring may also have some problems. The vibrapods Alex has used also > gives your equipment that all important space. What you can do is > improve the EMI filtering on the input of your CD player and tuner. I > have even plugged in my laptop(running on its charger) into my amps > and have no whine. > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79 Labs > > */Antoine Deschênes /* wrote: > > Not the hum, the 15.??kHz whine from the TV flyback transformer. > But I > know that the grounding also is not really good. > > Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit : > > Hi Antoine, > > > > I have the Grado Prestige Black also which pla! ys > > sometimes on my VPI (my main cart is a Benz Ruby 2). Just four feet > > away, I have a 34in Sony crt tv and I don't pick up any hum. I > suggest > > you check your grounding scheme and put some filtering for your > mains > > power. Even the BX2 needs to be grounded. > > > > Regards > > Bala > > 79 Labs > > > > */Antoine Deschênes /* wrote: > > > > Well... A Dragon is not a BX-2. Yes, having good components could > > help. > > But with my Grado Prestige Black cartridge, you can even hear the > > downstairs TV 15kHz whine in the output when it's on(My system is > > upstairs). > > > > My system is not well placed(You saw my pics!). The amp > > transformer is > > next to the rest and I hear it in the Nak and turntable. Just > > having an > > AC wire near the TT cartridge adds some hum. I might even put the > > turnta! ble transformer in an external enclosure for this. > > > > Alex Cozac a écrit : > > > Hi Antoine! > > > > > > Yes it's true...but with my Dragon I never have or had any RFI > > > problem, could be that my others components are of a high > > > quality...that are superbly protected of any disturbances...who > > knows? > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: Antoine Deschênes > > >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? > > >> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:26:45 -0500 > > >> > > >> These prevent speaker vibrations from affecting other components. > > >> There's no change for RFI and EMI which ! travels thru air. > > >> > > >> Alex Cozac a écrit : > > >>> Also as I use...,"Vibrapods or Cones"..., will help a lot! > > because I > > >>> also stack 4 items one at top of other & never hear any RFI > > problem! > > >>> > > >>> Good Luck! > > >>> > > >>> ALEX! > > >>> > > >>>> From: Antoine Deschênes > > >>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>>> To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >>>> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Could Nak heads pick up RFI? > > >>>> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:05:34 -0500 > > >>>> > > >>>> It sure picks up EMI but maybe not RFI. If you put it next to > > a TV > > >>>> an! d power on the TV when it's playing/rec, the degaussing > > will be > > >>>> heard. Same for moving magnet phono cartridge! s. > > Transformers make > > >>>> some EMI and that's why I hear a transformer in my BX-2's > > output. > > >>>> To reduce it, I unplug my TT and CD player(Are over and under > > it). > > >>>> Just putting shelves between the components could help a lot. > > >>>> (You've got one) > > >>>> > > >>>> If you want to test EMI, don't put any tapes and press > play, and > > >>>> crank up the volume. > > >>>> > > >>>> Also, it depends of the model. I'm sure that there are other > > Naks > > >>>> that are better shielded than my BX-2. > > >>>> > > >>>> Ron a écrit : > > >>>>> > > >>>>> jerryjg wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Hi, A question please. Due to short cable lengths and a small > > >>>>>> room space as well as a small stereo shelf, I must my Naks > > side > > >>>>>> by ! side, right next to other electronic compononts( an > > electronic > > >>>>>> signal processor, and also a Power conditioner unit). I > cannot > > >>>>>> place my two naks side by side-they wont fit.Is there a > chance > > >>>>>> that the Nak heads might pick up some hum from the other > > compononts? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I wouldn't think so. Inductance of the head is very > > >>>>> small, it's not much of a coil at 60Hz. And it's > > >>>>> sh! ielded by it's own case and by the deck box. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> However, I am a great believer in keeping components > > >>>>> separated, for thermal reasons. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- Ron > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I cant play my system yet to actually > > >>>>>> tell.As always, help is much appreciated. > > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Feb 7 21:42:54 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:42:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] EMI In-Reply-To: <001b01c62c03$d0f551a0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <001b01c62c03$d0f551a0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <43E9064E.4010903@yahoo.ca> Same thing with me except that I get digital noise next to digital equipment. Well, as for mu-metal, I found a site who sells a 2.5cm x 2.5cm x 0.00027cm sheet for 320$. rjkent at comcast.net a écrit : > Ed wrote: > >This has really piqued my curiosity now. I have tried three Naks with > >the same results. Depending on orientation and distance, I can hear a > >distinct hum which is just above the residual noise floor of the deck in > >play mode. As I move the deck away from the digital source, the hum goes > >away. It's subtle, but noticable... and I think it's safe to say that we > >all get kind of crazy about even subtle problems with out equipment! I > >should add that the solution for me is simply to keep the Naks away from > >such devices, but it is a curiosity. Thanks for all the input. > >Ed > Hi Ed, > What you are describing sounds like classic AC hum...60cps in the > USA. The fact that it decreases with distance means it is unlikely > to be a ground loop problem, and is most likely EMI being picked up > from the power supply transformers in your other components by the > electronics or heads in your Nak. > > Regarding mu-metal, it is very interesting stuff. I have done some > experimenting with it, and have read a good deal as well. Mu-metal > works by absorbing EMI rather than by reflecting it, hence high > permeability mu-metal is more efficient (seems counter intuitive). It > also woks best if its shape is the same as the magnetic flux lines > being intercepted. So rounded shapes tend to work better than flat > plates. For instance, a can around a transformer would be an ideal > shielding shape to prevent EMI from escaping. > Robert Kent From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Feb 7 22:14:19 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:14:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060207211419.26996.qmail@web86506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Alex From memory the Type of voltage selecter and the spec of the Transformer ( the tests were quite tough on insulation, heating and creepage etc) Used by Nak at the time ment that they would not be able to conform to the new specs in the EU. As you righly point out there was other equipment with Voltage selectors (different types) that were available but these used parts acceptable to the testing stations. But as you have noticed these were mosty designed and built in the UK and Europe . The master plan was/is to have a IEC domestic equipment harmonisation standard across EU (230V Class 11) and safer!!! products. Or was it to keep imports down, surely not!!!!!! :-) Oh, ever wondered why certain esoteric japanese equipment never gets this Far!! There is of course a lot more to it than that, but hopefully you get my drift. Regards T. (on topic and out)! Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Terry! That is something NEW...for me...my Tri Tracer 1000/2 was directly imported from Nakamichi in California during middle 1978...still with me & is a Multi-Voltage one. Could be that for UK...there was "Prohibid"...any Multi-Voltage unit...but all QUAD units from IK importation wre Multi-Voltage units...also my las Quad ESL-57 black grille...imported directly from Quad factory during middle 78...was Multi-Voltage unit...so really I can't comprehend...WHY Nippon products...were NOT allowed to be imported in UK or Europe?, I recall now that my Nak 500 under "Sonab" from Sweden stereo factory was 100% provide with similarly Multi-Voltage huge & expensive transformer that my Nak branded 500 & 600 & of course my Tri Tracer 1000/2...Amazing...no... Terry! Cheers, ALEX! >From: TERRY FINN >Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:38:05 +0000 (GMT) > >Hi ALex > > The Multi Voltage was made available for quite a time as a general >export model > but could not be sold by retailers legitimately!! in the UK and most of >Europe > from around 78,ish. > > Regards > T. > >Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Terry! > >Thank so much for your erudite confirmation, I appreciate very much...yes >seems me reasonable, but as I wrote...my Tri Tracer 1000/2, 500, 600, that >I >own during the the 80ties...if i recall well ALL those units were >Multi-Voltage ones...now my gifted Dragon...NO is ONLY wired for European >market. > >All my best wishes! > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: TERRY FINN > >Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > >Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E > >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:00:30 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Hi Alex > > > > Just a point of order! > > > > Nak did not change the "Expensive Multi voltage TX's for more profit" as > >you say > > but it was to comply to the various Class 11 electrical standards that > >were/are applicable in the various counties of Europe In fact it was more > >expensive to comply > > than having a multi TX's, by having to supply different TX's, improved > >insulatation and wider spacing of componets and of course the cost of the > >testing of the models in the various countries in the name of safer > >products!!! > > I know because I was involved getting Nak's and Yamaha products through > >BS 415 in the UK from 76, it was very expensive in time and > >money............ > > > > T. > > > > > > > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > > Hi Greynolds! > > > >You wrote....! > > > > >market will work with 110/220V. > > > >NOT really, as per example my European (Brought in Switzerland), came >ONLY > >220 factory wired. > > > >Also take note...that very earlier Nak decks as my Tri Tracer 1000/2 from > >1978...always was fitted with an a expensive huge "Multi-Voltage" > >transformer...after Nakamichi drop this "Expensive" feature for more > >profit. > > > >Cheers, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: greynolds at newsguy.com > > >Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E > > >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:40:34 -0500 > > > > > >From: "John Cook" > > > > > > > I'm a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the difference > > >between > > > > a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? > > > > > > > > >A = Model made for the United States market > > >E = Model made for the European market. > > > > > >I believe the real difference is that the models made for the European > > >market will work with 110/220V wiring while the models made for the > >United > > >States will only work with 110V wiring. > > >-- > > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > >http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Feb 7 22:57:12 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:57:12 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD22@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> My first guess would be the belt for the tape counter is broken or not rotating properly, the cpu inside the machine thinks that the reels are not turning and it shuts off. Take a look at the tape counter to see if the numbers are changing. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of senthil nathan Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2006 8:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs hi i saw a BX300 in an old electronic store ....when powered up the capstains are running ..but ..when play is pressed..the heads engages, there is output ..and then it disengages and in a few secs ....forward and rewind also dont work ..its a rubber idler model ...as far i saw the tyre "looks" to be ok to me ....well ..wat else should i look in for to confirm the type of the problem ?...if not ..i guess it can be used for parts ....... regrds senthil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 23:41:54 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:41:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD22@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20060207224154.89815.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Only two to three reasons for this problem - if the play functions for a second or so- assuming mode cam motor works correctly based on this observation. 1. Reel motor has spots and does not rotate ( check without any tape - play should work or rewind / FF wrk without tapes. 2. Spool sensor behind the reel hubs not functioning ( or a wire soldered to the sensors have come off ) This can be checked - if service manual is available - check the connection at the mother board using DMM with logic function. You will see the logic goes high an dlow as the reflector rotates. If there is no change in logic ( due to connection drop or malfunctioning Spool sensor ) that is the cause - Since all functions are not working - it could be the main problem. I have seen the spool senor pcb ( which has optical sensors mounted with other circuit elements) had failed in one BX300. Locating replacement was difficult. Kannan Tom Siomopoulos wrote: My first guess would be the belt for the tape counter is broken or not rotating properly, the cpu inside the machine thinks that the reels are not turning and it shuts off. Take a look at the tape counter to see if the numbers are changing. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of senthil nathan Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2006 8:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs hi i saw a BX300 in an old electronic store ....when powered up the capstains are running ..but ..when play is pressed..the heads engages, there is output ..and then it disengages and in a few secs ....forward and rewind also dont work ..its a rubber idler model ...as far i saw the tyre "looks" to be ok to me ....well ..wat else should i look in for to confirm the type of the problem ?...if not ..i guess it can be used for parts ....... regrds senthil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Feb 8 04:21:37 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:21:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E Message-ID: Hi Terry! Enough this topic...today is NO more relevant...Units for USA Y CE are now UNI-Voltage...NO more possibility to change voltages...maybe is better/safe that way! Be well & thank you for your erudite conclusions, ALEX! >From: TERRY FINN >Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:14:19 +0000 (GMT) > > Hi Alex > > From memory the Type of voltage selecter and the spec of the Transformer > ( the tests were quite tough on insulation, heating and creepage etc) >Used by Nak at the time ment that they would not be able to conform to the >new specs in the EU. As you righly point out there was other equipment with >Voltage selectors (different types) that were available but these used >parts acceptable to the testing stations. > > But as you have noticed these were mosty designed and built in the UK >and Europe . > > The master plan was/is to have a IEC domestic equipment harmonisation >standard across EU (230V Class 11) and safer!!! products. > > Or was it to keep imports down, surely not!!!!!! :-) > > Oh, ever wondered why certain esoteric japanese equipment never gets >this Far!! > > There is of course a lot more to it than that, but hopefully you get my >drift. > > Regards > > T. > (on topic and out)! > >Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Terry! > >That is something NEW...for me...my Tri Tracer 1000/2 was directly imported >from Nakamichi in California during middle 1978...still with me & is a >Multi-Voltage one. Could be that for UK...there was "Prohibid"...any >Multi-Voltage unit...but all QUAD units from IK importation wre >Multi-Voltage units...also my las Quad ESL-57 black grille...imported >directly from Quad factory during middle 78...was Multi-Voltage unit...so >really I can't comprehend...WHY Nippon products...were NOT allowed to be >imported in UK or Europe?, I recall now that my Nak 500 under "Sonab" from >Sweden stereo factory was 100% provide with similarly Multi-Voltage huge & >expensive transformer that my Nak branded 500 & 600 & of course my Tri >Tracer 1000/2...Amazing...no... Terry! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: TERRY FINN > >Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > >Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E > >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:38:05 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Hi ALex > > > > The Multi Voltage was made available for quite a time as a general > >export model > > but could not be sold by retailers legitimately!! in the UK and most of > >Europe > > from around 78,ish. > > > > Regards > > T. > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > > Hi Terry! > > > >Thank so much for your erudite confirmation, I appreciate very much...yes > >seems me reasonable, but as I wrote...my Tri Tracer 1000/2, 500, 600, >that > >I > >own during the the 80ties...if i recall well ALL those units were > >Multi-Voltage ones...now my gifted Dragon...NO is ONLY wired for European > >market. > > > >All my best wishes! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: TERRY FINN > > >Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > >Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E > > >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:00:30 +0000 (GMT) > > > > > >Hi Alex > > > > > > Just a point of order! > > > > > > Nak did not change the "Expensive Multi voltage TX's for more profit" >as > > >you say > > > but it was to comply to the various Class 11 electrical standards that > > >were/are applicable in the various counties of Europe In fact it was >more > > >expensive to comply > > > than having a multi TX's, by having to supply different TX's, improved > > >insulatation and wider spacing of componets and of course the cost of >the > > >testing of the models in the various countries in the name of safer > > >products!!! > > > I know because I was involved getting Nak's and Yamaha products >through > > >BS 415 in the UK from 76, it was very expensive in time and > > >money............ > > > > > > T. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hi Greynolds! > > > > > >You wrote....! > > > > > > >market will work with 110/220V. > > > > > >NOT really, as per example my European (Brought in Switzerland), came > >ONLY > > >220 factory wired. > > > > > >Also take note...that very earlier Nak decks as my Tri Tracer 1000/2 >from > > >1978...always was fitted with an a expensive huge "Multi-Voltage" > > >transformer...after Nakamichi drop this "Expensive" feature for more > > >profit. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: greynolds at newsguy.com > > > >Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7E > > > >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:40:34 -0500 > > > > > > > >From: "John Cook" > > > > > > > > > I'm a newbie to this Board, but could someone tell me the >difference > > > >between > > > > > a model CR-7A and a model CR-7E? > > > > > > > > > > > >A = Model made for the United States market > > > >E = Model made for the European market. > > > > > > > >I believe the real difference is that the models made for the >European > > > >market will work with 110/220V wiring while the models made for the > > >United > > > >States will only work with 110V wiring. > > > >-- > > > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > > >http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 8 15:09:37 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:09:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD22@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD22@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <43E9FBA1.9080808@rcn.com> Tom, If memory serves, Sankyo transports do not use a belt for the tape counter. Rather, there is a small PCB behind the takeup hub that is optically actuated directly from the hub. Presumably, this could go bad (hope not - it's a bear to remove), but IME, the reel motor is a more immediate suspect. -- Ron Tom Siomopoulos wrote: > My first guess would be the belt for the tape counter is broken or not > rotating properly, the cpu inside the machine thinks that the reels are > not turning and it shuts off. Take a look at the tape counter to see if > the numbers are changing. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *senthil nathan > *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 February 2006 8:08 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs > > hi > i saw a BX300 in an old electronic store ....when powered > up the capstains are running ..but ..when play is pressed..the heads > engages, there is output ..and then it disengages and in a few secs > ....forward and rewind also dont work ..its a rubber idler model > ...as far i saw the tyre "looks" to be ok to me ....well ..wat else > should i look in for to confirm the type of the problem ?...if not > ..i guess it can be used for parts ....... > > regrds > senthil From alex at autoconsortium.com Wed Feb 8 16:16:47 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:16:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs In-Reply-To: <43E9FBA1.9080808@rcn.com> Message-ID: <200602081417.k18EHErR004617@kropotkin.circlecity.net> That happened on my Dragon. You would hit play, and it would stop. The small LED was out on the optic counter trigger. There is a belt that goes from one of the reels to a black 'fan' type thing, it has a few blades on it. These blades act as optical pulses by blocking the light, then letting it through to the optical receiver. (is it a photocell?, or infrared?). Replacement of the LED repaired the issue. This is from memory, and happened about 10 years ago, so I could be wrong on exactly what I saw. Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:10 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs > > > Tom, > > If memory serves, Sankyo transports do not use a > belt for the tape counter. Rather, there is a > small PCB behind the takeup hub that is optically > actuated directly from the hub. Presumably, this > could go bad (hope not - it's a bear to remove), > but IME, the reel motor is a more immediate suspect. > > -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 8 16:25:55 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:25:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs In-Reply-To: <200602081417.k18EHErR004617@kropotkin.circlecity.net> References: <200602081417.k18EHErR004617@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <43EA0D83.2020605@rcn.com> Yep, my (then) 582 had the same problem when the belt to the shutter (the 'fan' type thing) broke. However, the 582 or Dragon use Nak transports. The BX-300 uses a Sankyo transport -- different animal altogether. -- Ron Alex Cagann wrote: > That happened on my Dragon. You would hit play, and it would stop. The small > LED was out on the optic counter trigger. There is a belt that goes from one > of the reels to a black 'fan' type thing, it has a few blades on it. These > blades act as optical pulses by blocking the light, then letting it through > to the optical receiver. (is it a photocell?, or infrared?). Replacement of > the LED repaired the issue. This is from memory, and happened about 10 years > ago, so I could be wrong on exactly what I saw. > > Alex > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of Ron >> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:10 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs >> >> >> Tom, >> >> If memory serves, Sankyo transports do not use a >> belt for the tape counter. Rather, there is a >> small PCB behind the takeup hub that is optically >> actuated directly from the hub. Presumably, this >> could go bad (hope not - it's a bear to remove), >> but IME, the reel motor is a more immediate suspect. >> >> -- Ron From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Feb 8 17:18:51 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:18:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs In-Reply-To: <43E9FBA1.9080808@rcn.com> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD22@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> <43E9FBA1.9080808@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43EA19EB.4000100@yahoo.ca> Yes, it's a PCB with a sensor. I don't know if it's optically detected or an other type of sensor because they use metal paint on the hub. Ron a écrit : > > Tom, > > If memory serves, Sankyo transports do not use a > belt for the tape counter. Rather, there is a > small PCB behind the takeup hub that is optically > actuated directly from the hub. Presumably, this > could go bad (hope not - it's a bear to remove), > but IME, the reel motor is a more immediate suspect. > > -- Ron > > > > Tom Siomopoulos wrote: >> My first guess would be the belt for the tape counter is broken or >> not rotating properly, the cpu inside the machine thinks that the >> reels are not turning and it shuts off. Take a look at the tape >> counter to see if the numbers are changing. >> >> Tom. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >> *On Behalf Of *senthil nathan >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 February 2006 8:08 PM >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> *Subject:* [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs >> >> hi >> i saw a BX300 in an old electronic store ....when powered >> up the capstains are running ..but ..when play is pressed..the heads >> engages, there is output ..and then it disengages and in a few secs >> ....forward and rewind also dont work ..its a rubber idler model >> ...as far i saw the tyre "looks" to be ok to me ....well ..wat else >> should i look in for to confirm the type of the problem ?...if not >> ..i guess it can be used for parts ....... >> >> regrds >> senthil > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Feb 8 22:18:23 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:18:23 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD31@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Thanks for the info Ron, I didn't know that. I would imagine it would be a nightmare to take apart. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2006 1:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs Tom, If memory serves, Sankyo transports do not use a belt for the tape counter. Rather, there is a small PCB behind the takeup hub that is optically actuated directly from the hub. Presumably, this could go bad (hope not - it's a bear to remove), but IME, the reel motor is a more immediate suspect. -- Ron From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Feb 8 23:44:58 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:44:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD31@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD31@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <43EA746A.2090501@yahoo.ca> Yes, it's hard to remove(capstan motor and drive assy have to be removed) but if the timer works in the short moment it's playing, you should not have any problems. The timer has to stop counting for some time before stopping. Tom Siomopoulos a écrit : > Thanks for the info Ron, I didn't know that. I would imagine it would be a > nightmare to take apart. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2006 1:10 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs > > > > Tom, > > If memory serves, Sankyo transports do not use a > belt for the tape counter. Rather, there is a > small PCB behind the takeup hub that is optically > actuated directly from the hub. Presumably, this > could go bad (hope not - it's a bear to remove), > but IME, the reel motor is a more immediate suspect. > > -- Ron From sendigitall at yahoo.com Thu Feb 9 06:21:39 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:21:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx300 reel motor"spots"??? In-Reply-To: <200602081101.k18B0IrI016545@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060209052139.39192.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> hi kannan pardon my ignorence ....wat do u mean by .. 1. "Reel motor has spots and does not rotate" ....wat are spots in a reel motor ? ..is it easy to locate the Spool sensor and check for stray wires in a bx300? ..........anyway thanks a lot for the info ... regards senthil Message: 3 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:41:54 -0800 (PST) From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20060207224154.89815.qmail at web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Only two to three reasons for this problem - if the play functions for a second or so- assuming mode cam motor works correctly based on this observation. 1. Reel motor has spots and does not rotate ( check without any tape - play should work or rewind / FF wrk without tapes. 2. Spool sensor behind the reel hubs not functioning ( or a wire soldered to the sensors have come off ) This can be checked - if service manual is available - check the connection at the mother board using DMM with logic function. You will see the logic goes high an dlow as the reflector rotates. If there is no change in logic ( due to connection drop or malfunctioning Spool sensor ) that is the cause - Since all functions are not working - it could be the main problem. I have seen the spool senor pcb ( which has optical sensors mounted with other circuit elements) had failed in one BX300. Locating replacement was difficult. Kannan --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christopher.winter at siemens.com Thu Feb 9 08:27:08 2006 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter Christopher) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:27:08 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] EMI and MUMetal Message-ID: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA010D8463@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> A pragmatical approach can be the re-use of old transformers. I once had an (E)MI problem with a newly bought (although high priced!) video recorder from Mitsubishi, where those wise guys mounted the receiver electronics directly besides a really BIG power transformer (less than 2 millimeters distance). So I always had about -20 dB hum in the TV audio path. They already had a small piece of MU metal in place, but that was far too small. I tried shielding with brass (which also has interesting shielding capabilities) and copper - but the shielding effect was insufficient, since the source type of the signal was magnetic. I searched for other shielding opportunities, and because of the high price for MU metals I thought about how this MU metal works (changing orientation of mag. fields and somewhat short circuiting them in an ordered manner). So I've found that this is (almost) indentical to what the metal layers in a transformer do. I went to a local junk yard, armed with a steel saw and cut out some pices of about 10 x 10 cm size from a really large industrial transformer (nobody around was able to move that thing...). I afterwards cut them to fit in between the parts of the video - and the hum was gone! So maybe this method will help to get hold of this shielding technique - but it will only work for magnetic interferences and you have to experiment with orientation and placement to get the best result. Christopher ________________________________ Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von rjkent at comcast.net Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Februar 2006 22:30 An: naktalk at naks.com; antdes45 at yahoo.ca Betreff: [naktalk] EMI and MUMetal Here are a couple of links to MuMetal sources. The second one sells a kit of different thicknesses and permeabilitie that can keep you supplied for a long time. http://lessemf.com/mag-shld.html http://www.mushield.com/raw_materials.html Robert Kent > Same thing with me except that I get digital noise next to digital > equipment. > > Well, as for mu-metal, I found a site who sells a 2.5cm x 2.5cm x > 0.00027cm sheet for 320$. >Antoine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Feb 9 04:20:16 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:20:16 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs Message-ID: <2e9.10f13c2.311c0ef0@aol.com> Hi Everyone! Does anyone has a schematic or service manual for Revox B 710 Mk1cassette deck in PDF format that they can email me , it will be greatly appreciated! The machine counter does not count this counter in the optical kind and when the power is turned on the rewind spool motor keeps on rotating even when no rewind button is pressed. Placing a cassette in the machine and hitting play button plays the tape momentarily but then stop the counter does not count! same thing happens in ffw and rrw. Does anyone idea?! as to what might be wrong?!! Your kind help will be much appreciated. Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 9 14:45:35 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:45:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs In-Reply-To: <2e9.10f13c2.311c0ef0@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c62d7f$1a471380$5abe87d9@oemcomputer> Ali You might try emailing this Brian Reeves @ Brian at RevoxService.co.uk What Brian doesn't know about Revox's ain't worth knowing! He may not be able to help you with a manual but you are likely to get some free advice. Best of luck Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 09 February 2006 03:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs Hi Everyone! Does anyone has a schematic or service manual for Revox B 710 Mk1cassette deck in PDF format that they can email me , it will be greatly appreciated! The machine counter does not count this counter in the optical kind and when the power is turned on the rewind spool motor keeps on rotating even when no rewind button is pressed. Placing a cassette in the machine and hitting play button plays the tape momentarily but then stop the counter does not count! same thing happens in ffw and rrw. Does anyone idea?! as to what might be wrong?!! Your kind help will be much appreciated. Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 9 15:01:17 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 09:01:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx300 reel motor"spots"??? In-Reply-To: <20060209052139.39192.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060209052139.39192.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43EB4B2D.7050009@rcn.com> Kannan likely referred to 'dead spots', where the motor, if going slowly enough, will stop. Easy to check: apply a low voltage (say, 2.5V) and see if the motor rotates freely under load. Wires are visible, deep inside the transport when viewed from the back. -- Ron senthil nathan wrote: > hi kannan > pardon my ignorence ....wat do u mean by .. > 1. "Reel motor has spots and does not rotate" ....wat are spots in a reel motor ? > > ..is it easy to locate the Spool sensor and check for stray wires in a bx300? > ..........anyway thanks a lot for the info ... > > regards > > senthil > > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:41:54 -0800 (PST) > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <20060207224154.89815.qmail at web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Only two to three reasons for this problem - if the play functions for > a second or so- assuming mode cam motor works correctly based on this > observation. > 1. Reel motor has spots and does not rotate ( check without any tape > - play should work or rewind / FF wrk without tapes. > 2. Spool sensor behind the reel hubs not functioning ( or a wire > soldered to the sensors have come off ) > This can be checked - if service manual is available - check the > connection at the mother board using DMM with logic function. You will see > the logic goes high an dlow as the reflector rotates. If there is no > change in logic ( due to connection drop or malfunctioning Spool sensor ) > that is th! > e cause - > Since all functions are not working - it could be > the main problem. I have seen the spool senor pcb ( which has optical > sensors mounted with other circuit elements) had failed in one BX300. > Locating replacement was difficult. > Kannan > From christopher.winter at siemens.com Thu Feb 9 15:13:40 2006 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter Christopher) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:13:40 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Manual Revox B710 MK1 (was: BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs) Message-ID: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA01146BB7@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> Hello Ali, you may find what you want here: www.schori.info\timelimited\docs\sm\sm-b710-dfe-good.zip This is a bunch of scanned TIFs (fairly well scanned, but sometimes difficult to decypher). If the site's not reachable, I can send it to you - it's roughly 9 MB in size. Regards, Christopher ________________________________ Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von BOEING747600 at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Februar 2006 04:20 An: naktalk at naks.com Betreff: Re: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs Hi Everyone! Does anyone has a schematic or service manual for Revox B 710 Mk1cassette deck in PDF format that they can email me , it will be greatly appreciated! The machine counter does not count this counter in the optical kind and when the power is turned on the rewind spool motor keeps on rotating even when no rewind button is pressed. Placing a cassette in the machine and hitting play button plays the tape momentarily but then stop the counter does not count! same thing happens in ffw and rrw. Does anyone idea?! as to what might be wrong?!! Your kind help will be much appreciated. Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnn380 at comcast.net Thu Feb 9 16:55:29 2006 From: johnn380 at comcast.net (johnn380 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:55:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680 user manual Message-ID: <020920061555.29396.43EB65F100060205000072D42205889116CFC8CC0202080106@comcast.net> Anyone know where I can download user manual for 680... John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Feb 9 17:48:00 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:48:00 -0500 Subject: AW: [naktalk] EMI and MUMetal In-Reply-To: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA010D8463@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> References: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA010D8463@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> Message-ID: <43EB7240.7050201@yahoo.ca> Winter Christopher a écrit : > A pragmatical approach can be the re-use of old transformers. > > I once had an (E)MI problem with a newly bought (although high > priced!) video recorder from Mitsubishi, > where those wise guys mounted the receiver electronics directly > besides a really BIG power transformer > (less than 2 millimeters distance). Congrats, Mitsubishi! > So I always had about -20 dB hum in the TV audio path. > They already had a small piece of MU metal in place, but that was far > too small. To save you 50$ on the sales price I suppose? > > I tried shielding with brass (which also has interesting shielding > capabilities) and copper - but the shielding > effect was insufficient, since the source type of the signal was magnetic. > I searched for other shielding opportunities, and because of the high > price for MU metals I thought about how this > MU metal works (changing orientation of mag. fields and somewhat short > circuiting them in an ordered manner). > > So I've found that this is (almost) indentical to what the metal > layers in a transformer do. ?? I never looked -in- a transformer. > > I went to a local junk yard, armed with a steel saw and cut out some > pices of about 10 x 10 cm size from a > really large industrial transformer (nobody around was able to move > that thing...). I afterwards cut them > to fit in between the parts of the video - and the hum was gone! > > So maybe this method will help to get hold of this shielding technique > - but it will only work for magnetic > interferences and you have to experiment with orientation and > placement to get the best result. > > Christopher > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Von:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Im > Auftrag von *rjkent at comcast.net > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 7. Februar 2006 22:30 > *An:* naktalk at naks.com; antdes45 at yahoo.ca > *Betreff:* [naktalk] EMI and MUMetal > > Here are a couple of links to MuMetal sources. The second one sells a > kit > of different thicknesses and permeabilitie that can keep you supplied > for a > long time. > http://lessemf.com/mag-shld.html > http://www.mushield.com/raw_materials.html > Robert Kent > > > Same thing with me except that I get digital noise next to digital > > equipment. > > > > Well, as for mu-metal, I found a site who sells a 2.5cm x 2.5cm x > > 0.00027cm sheet for 320$. > >Antoine > From tomas at tlec.se Thu Feb 9 18:31:21 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:31:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680 user manual In-Reply-To: <020920061555.29396.43EB65F100060205000072D42205889116CFC8CC0202080106@comcast.net> Message-ID: You'll find both service and users manuals for 680zx on my site. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of johnn380 at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680 user manual Anyone know where I can download user manual for 680... John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnn380 at comcast.net Thu Feb 9 19:47:47 2006 From: johnn380 at comcast.net (johnn380 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:47:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680 user manual Message-ID: <020920061847.14386.43EB8E530004AF4E000038322200750784CFC8CC0202080106@comcast.net> Thanks, Tomas... I have a 680zx and have downloaded both the user and service manuals from your website. They have been a great source of information. Thanks for a great site... Since the 680 has the manual azmith function I was wondering about the correct switches and controls to do the azmith adjustments correctly. John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tomas Larsson" You'll find both service and users manuals for 680zx on my site. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of johnn380 at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680 user manual Anyone know where I can download user manual for 680... John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Tomas Larsson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680 user manual Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:32:36 +0000 Size: 951 URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Feb 10 03:49:50 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:49:50 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Gold DR10 on ebay Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD3A@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> FYI.... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5864917066&fromMakeTra ck=true A flawless DR10 in the Gold Edition. Tom From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Feb 10 04:35:05 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:35:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Gold DR10 on ebay References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD3A@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000601c62df2$fd592050$bed417c4@home> It looks more silver to me.The colour could be deceiving. I did not know they made them in gold! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Gold DR10 on ebay > FYI.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5864917066&fromMakeTra > ck=true > > A flawless DR10 in the Gold Edition. > > Tom > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 10 05:58:01 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:58:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Gold DR10 on ebay In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD3A@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20060210045801.43661.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They came out in black and gold but I've seen the gold ones more often. However, the seller does not state if this machine is made in the UK or Malaysia. It is quite a nice machine though. Regards Bala 79 Labs. Tom Siomopoulos wrote: FYI.... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5864917066&fromMakeTra ck=true A flawless DR10 in the Gold Edition. Tom ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Feb 10 01:17:17 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:17:17 EST Subject: AW: [naktalk] Manual Revox B710 MK1 (was: BX300 play engages & disengages... Message-ID: <1a3.452b0537.311d358d@aol.com> Dear Christopher! YES! please send the file some other way like in email , PDF format , unfortunately! the link you gave in your email returned with error message, also if I may ask are you familiar with this machine do you know what might be causing the machine not to count?! I have replaced every single IC! on the mircroprocessor board all with no luck! The machine passes a signal form the pre-amp it plays the tape with great fidelity but for just one second before it stops because the counter is not working! Also the machine will not go in record mode , fast foward, rwd , stop and play work momentarily for couple of secs only! and then stop! Also the head lifting circuit does not engage when pressed! I am sure I can fix it myself if some told me how to! I love this revox b 710 cassette deck without doubt one of the best cassette deck ever made, wish it would up and running like my Nakamichi Dragon, I am great fan of both Nak and Revox each with their own superb! design philosophy! YOUR VERY KIND HELP! IN FIXING THIS GREAT TAPE DECK WILL BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!!!! BY ME! THANK YOU!! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Feb 10 01:20:10 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:20:10 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs Message-ID: <297.53bd6a3.311d363a@aol.com> THANKS GRA! YOU ARE GREAT GUY!!!! :) THANKS FOR YOUR KIND HELP!!! WILL GIVE HIM A TRY! HOPE HE HELPS ME! FIX THAT WILL BE A DREAM COME TRUE!!... I LOVE THIS MACHINE!!!! WITH BEST REGARDS! 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The two issues seem related in that they have occured at the same 'time' Up to the night before it has been working perfectly!! thanks in advance, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Feb 10 19:57:32 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:57:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] I'm back. Why does my tape sound so bad........ long & possible digression alert: In-Reply-To: <200602060435.k164ZqQk006552@zxe.naks.com> References: <200602060435.k164ZqQk006552@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: 'We are all still here, no one has gone away' So back from lazy daze in Lanzarote where the earth is black and the skies are (generally) blue. The fabulous Foundation of Cesar Manrique and any of his architectural works, castle, volcanic tube rooms, restuarants, or Cactus Gardens will take your breath away and sit you down to take in the vibe and wondrous sensibility he brought to the task of design. He also conceived the concert cave of Jameos....... which is much beloved of the original ambient composers such as Budd and Eno. Imagine recording in a 1000 seater auditorium that's an old lava tube. Oi oi oiy. Anyway brother Manrique even devised music to be played in his creations......piano, oud, duduck, Arabic flute Spanish guitar, played in such a sweet acoustic with the echo integral to the composition ..... yum yum. Dont let anyone tell you Lanzarote is grotty, ..... just go out of season and/or avoid the tourist traps ....... which is generally my practice anyway. No TDK SA's hidden away in shops .....alas...... loads of basic TDK tapes available everywhere. I did check my email whilst away ..... and this long email makes no reference to cleaning agents, idler wheels, or rotors ........ alas ;-). What did happen to that ludicrous gold plated 1000zxl scam for sale on two continents? I have however picked up quite few prerecorded cassettes,The Free Story 2001, Michael Brook 2001, Creams greatest hits 1971 ( the hissiest commercial cassette I ever heard ......apart from another Polydor tape ..... also by Cream, the 'Goodbye' release.... say 1970..... appalling tape hiss, dreadful standards by Polydor ......sadly I may have to get them on cd .......) The conspiracy theorists suggestion that the company's made crap tapes so as not to undermine LP sales gets my vote. Likewise when cd's loomed large the tapes were nearly always on basic tape formulae never the higher quality stuff. One last commercial tape i bought was Leonard Cohen's: 'Im your man' 1988.......... this tape is a US CBS issue, not a European issue. Its physically in excellent condition and has a really hard thick sealed shell, which I havent seen before..... were US tapes released in higher spec shells than in the UK where brittle thin ones seemed to be the order of the day. As one plays this tape there is a constant burbling, like a coffee percolator in the background. I dont feel its frequency related to the actual material ....... although it could be the reverse music from the opposite side. Its present some 85% of the time, worse ( ie more annoying) when played on a non NAK deck. I feel its been there since release ....... I havent heard this before .....its far too loud to be breakthrough. I wonder if its the product of a misalignment at the repro facility. Any ideas ...... is a remedy (not including buying the CD to any wags out there) Do any of you have fun views on how CBS would react to it being returned to them with a quality report and complaint for a job badly done? i dont think Polydor are still around ....... I have a CSNY tape that isnt so bad ..... but of course that production would have been a US thing unlike Cream. If there is a nak gathering how about the Cabbage award for the sonically worst commercially released cassette of the last century? I could post the aforementioned specimens in and the rest of us could hear how a Dragon deals with such challenging items as the worst prerecorded cassette on the planet. If any Indian bus drivers are in the list ....... then any tapes you send in ....... should in my opinion be barred from entry....... Indian bus drivers sound systems are in a league of their own and should remain there. peace ianr scotland From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Feb 10 19:57:32 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:57:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone with a useful mike for sale < UK side > and query about powered and non powered mikes. Message-ID: hello again rekorders Does anyone have a useful sweet mike going surplus. I'm looking for a mike and eBay on dial up is tiring me out and one doesnt know if the mike is shot or not. I will use it at home to record either my voice or the Indian harmonium. I only use 2 mikes and my efforts are purely amateur. I have a mixer with phantom power ...... but I dont know if I use phantom power do both mikes need to be phantom users ...... does it make it impossible to use a basic non powered mike if the inputs are powered. Traditionally I gather Shure's are slightly peakey and AKG's and Audio technica's are sweeter ..... I hope to find a softer sounding .....for a gentle price. There are some new big imitation AKG studio diaphragms for sale at $72 ( including delivery ) on ebay ..... and thats my max budget for now ....... alas ...... however thought I'd ask the gang at this point. If one doesn't ask one doesnt get. peace ianr scotland From cdgravens at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 10 20:30:01 2006 From: cdgravens at sbcglobal.net (christopher gravens) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:30:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New member with an RX-505 and a tech question Message-ID: <20060210193002.99465.qmail@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings all, I recently discovered this sight and am quite impressed with the accumulated technical knowledge and enthusiasm of the members here and the amount of information in the archives. This is quite a resource. After admiring Naks for over twenty years but never owning one, I finally decided to make a purchase. I decided an RX-505 would best fit my needs for a deck with the auto-reverse feature. Bought a very clean low-mileage one on Ebay and received it several weeks ago. Unfortunately it was shipped without the transport screw and without any protection to keep the drawer from moving around in the shipping boxes. I now have a unit without a working eject/retract/auto-reverse mechanism. I confirmed that it was fully functional before shipping and if fact received a full refund on the unit plus the unit (one very honorable Ebay seller). I went through all of the archives here (quite a task) and found a reference to a possibly similar problem in an April 2004 post titled “RX-505 fix”. Sounds like repairing this will require major disassembly. I opened the case and confirmed the motor and the one visible smaller gear seem to behave normally but I thought I should ask for advice here before disassembling further. I am also unfamiliar with the availability of spare parts for the task if I indeed need parts. I'm an electrical engineer by hobby and profession and have a copy of the service manual in PDF form so I definitely welcome technical responses. My only liability is due to an injury years ago, I don't have full use of my hands and thus have to guide someone through the work that needs to be done - one of the reasons for trying to find out the potential magnitude of this task before beginning. Thanks for reading, Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Feb 10 20:51:08 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:51:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award In-Reply-To: <43D90FDD.7090907@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Was someone going to post a listing of what the cuts are, who did them, how they were recorded, etc., etc.? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Moore Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award Greetings from the awards committee for the Atlanta substation of Nakophiles, Mike Moore presiding. By unanimous vote, the committee has awarded Kermit the very rarely granted and most prestigious T-9 award for excellence demonstrated in the production of Dragons Rule, the Nak Marathon IIIa effort. (The voting was held in secret, that's why you didn't receive a ballot). Click Kermit's Award to see Kermit and the trophy heading for home. Perhaps we should consider expanding our proposed world wide convocation of Nakophiles to include those off world who might have appreciated the broadcasts of music recorded and played back on Naks. I mean, that stuff is thirty plus light years out there by now. What do you think? Atlanta Mike From 3ld at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 10 21:59:29 2006 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:59:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43ECFEB1.1050706@bellsouth.net> Hi Doane, Yes, I will look into that. I have the info but have been swamped with work lately. I'll try to post something soon. Atlanta Mike Doane Hoag wrote: >Was someone going to post a listing of what the cuts are, who did them, how >they were recorded, etc., etc.? > >Doane > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Michael Moore >Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:07 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award > > >Greetings from the awards committee for the Atlanta substation of >Nakophiles, Mike Moore presiding. >By unanimous vote, the committee has awarded Kermit the very rarely granted >and most prestigious T-9 award for excellence demonstrated in the production >of Dragons Rule, the Nak Marathon IIIa effort. (The voting was held in >secret, that's why you didn't receive a ballot). >Click Kermit's Award to see Kermit and the trophy heading for home. >Perhaps we should consider expanding our proposed world wide convocation of >Nakophiles to include those off world who might have appreciated the >broadcasts of music recorded and played back on Naks. I mean, that stuff is >thirty plus light years out there by now. What do you think? >Atlanta Mike > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From jochi at qwest.net Fri Feb 10 22:17:11 2006 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:17:11 -0700 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Manual Revox B710 MK1 (was: BX300 play engages & disengages... In-Reply-To: <1a3.452b0537.311d358d@aol.com> References: <1a3.452b0537.311d358d@aol.com> Message-ID: Christopher, I also could not open the website. In addition to my several Naks, I have both an Studer A710 and a Revox B710. So I would very much appreciate a copy of the Service Manual if it is not too much trouble to E-mail to me. Thanks, Jon On Feb 9, 2006, at 5:17 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Dear Christopher! YES! please send the file some other way like in > email , PDF format , unfortunately! the link you gave in your email > returned with error message, also if I may ask are you familiar > with this machine do you know what might be causing the machine not > to count?! I have replaced every single IC! on the mircroprocessor > board all with no luck! The machine passes a signal form the pre- > amp it plays the tape with great fidelity but for just one second > before it stops because the counter is not working! > Also the machine will not go in record mode , fast foward, rwd , > stop and play work momentarily for couple of secs only! and then > stop! Also the head lifting circuit does not engage when pressed! I > am sure I can fix it myself if some told me how to! > > I love this revox b 710 cassette deck without doubt one of the > best cassette deck ever made, wish it would up and running like my > Nakamichi Dragon, I am great fan of both Nak and Revox each with > their own superb! design philosophy! > > YOUR VERY KIND HELP! IN FIXING THIS GREAT TAPE DECK WILL BE VERY > MUCH APPRECIATED!!!! BY ME! THANK YOU!! > > With Best Regards! > Ali > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 10 23:41:05 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:41:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Scammer alert -- beware of maxxx@ispwest.com Message-ID: <43ED1681.6060709@rcn.com> I have mentioned in the past that the e-place was a cesspool of scam artists. Consequently, I have been very careful and never buy there unless I've had direct contact with a seller or can pick up the item locally. However, dealing on email lists has been quite different. I have always found descriptions to be accurate and people's honesty above reproach. Unfortunately, like all good things, this has come to an end, thanks to a gentleman going under the name of Maksim Denisov (but spelled 'Maxim' on his return address label), email address maxxx at ispwest.com. He posted a CR-5 "in very good condition, almost pristine". After some negotiation, I agreed to buy his deck and sent him a check. He kept it for a while and finally shipped the deck. When I opened the package I was very surprised... The deck is very far from 'near pristine'. There are blemishes and smudges all over the cover and various small scratches on the front panel. At best, I would describe its condition as fair. But the real killer are the missing parts! This 'near pristine' deck is missing the outer cassette door cover and a knob... Two very hard to find (and expensive if found) parts. Also, Max had claimed that the deck was in perfect functional order. Well, now it is. But, as delivered, it wouldn't FF a cassette. Not a big deal, just further example of Max's integrity (actually, lack thereof). I wrote Maxsim (Maxim?) and he responded that he must have left the door cover off when he cleaned the deck (Bull! for cleaning you take off the whole door, you don't separate the outer cover. And you certainly don't need to remove a knob for cleaning). That was the last I ever heard from him, he never responded to further emails (why was I not surprised?) I hope Wouter will excise this gentleman off the NakTalk list (though he may possibly slither back under different name and address -- a common ebay phenomenon). In any case, I would caution members to treat all newcomers as ebay citizens. I certainly will. -- Ron From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Feb 11 00:16:23 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:16:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 again Message-ID: <20060210231623.88025.qmail@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So I've got an other BX-2(Silver this time) that I'll use until I find what are all the thousands of problems. Actually, I opened it and was really surprised to find that this unit has a couple of differences with my other. In fact, my first BX-2 I bought for 120$ is a modded unit : There are silver-colored caps under the PCB and there are sockets under the Dolby ICs.(The only things I found so far) Anyone would like to know what mods have been done on it? Now the only problem that I have with my new Nak is that it doesn't have the gear mod... I really should send my first BX-2 to repair, but I would hate to have to pay 35$ for repair estimation.(The only place where they service Nak in the corner) Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Feb 11 01:05:06 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:05:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 582 mode fault In-Reply-To: <006201c62e2c$68c4bb40$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20060211000506.65682.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your mode control motor needs adjustment - use the service manual - adjusting Mode Cam in beginning part of the Mechanical adjustment. You have to remove the top cover. I have seen sometimes - evn some components need replacement. However your 582 requires very simple adjustment Kannan Martin Short wrote: Hi All, One of my 582's has developed a curious 'fault'..certainly one I have never encountered before in a Nakamichi..and I wonder if anyone has any ideas on where I could start to look! The deck starts up OK, but has has developed a strange fault whereby when in play mode; it developed a random 'clicking' that came and went as the tape was playing. When I lifted the lid, I found that the noise was the mode control motor oscillating back and forth operating the control cam.. enough to make a noise but not interrupt play!!. Also rewind has ceased to function as if the take up spool has jammed but no issues with FF!. The two issues seem related in that they have occured at the same 'time' Up to the night before it has been working perfectly!! thanks in advance, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sat Feb 11 04:52:54 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:52:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone with a useful mike for sale < UK side > and query about powered and non powered mikes. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43ED5F96.9030101@snet.net> I would look on ebay for a couple of old AKG D200E mics. They come up for sale often and are not that well known now so they sell for maybe $40 US per mic at most. I am not alone in considering them as a dynamic mic that thinks it's a good condenser. The ultra cheap condensers are not really worthy of serious consideration. Some try to pretend pretty well, and offer a lot of "bang for the buck," but that still doesn't make them good mics. The D200 is a good mic... just ask Kermit, he's the reason I own two pairs. BTW, D190 is also a good mic, but I still like D200 better. Cheers, Ed earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > hello again rekorders > > Does anyone have a useful sweet mike going surplus. I'm looking for a > mike and eBay on dial up is tiring me out and one doesnt know if the > mike is shot or not. > > I will use it at home to record either my voice or the Indian > harmonium. I only use 2 mikes and my efforts are purely amateur. > > I have a mixer with phantom power ...... but I dont know if I use > phantom power do both mikes need to be phantom users ...... does it > make it impossible to use a basic non powered mike if the inputs are > powered. > > Traditionally I gather Shure's are slightly peakey and AKG's and Audio > technica's are sweeter ..... I hope to find a softer sounding .....for > a gentle price. > > There are some new big imitation AKG studio diaphragms for sale at $72 > ( including delivery ) on ebay ..... and thats my max budget for now > ....... alas ...... however thought I'd ask the gang at this point. > > If one doesn't ask one doesnt get. > > peace > > ianr > scotland > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sat Feb 11 06:26:22 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:26:22 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] New member with an RX-505 and a tech question Message-ID: <002c01c62ecb$b25b3b40$0201a8c0@lan> Chris, Given your diagnosis thus far and if everything else seems to work, then check that the drive pin on the main gear for the auto reverse mechanism... (the large gear under the cassette housing) hasn't been sheared off in transit. This pin is not the most robust feature, simply being moulded as part of the gear, and is easily sheared off. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sat Feb 11 06:32:03 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:32:03 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] 582 mode fault Message-ID: <003701c62ecc$7db11080$0201a8c0@lan> Kannan, Thanks for heads up, much appreciated. Carried out the adjustments as per section one and have the deck working again after a fashion... (had to sacrifice 'pause' to stop the cam oscillating in play) and so is not quite adjusted as per the manual. Seems I need to carry out the fine adjustments in section 2, and that is a job for somebody more experienced than I... 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Mikkel From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sat Feb 11 17:03:07 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:03:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Anyone with a useful mike for sale References: <200602111100.k1BB0rQH028741@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ed ...... I have a 20 year old Sony Electret and a Sony dynmamic stereo mike from my old Sony field recorder and various oddities from when I had reel to reels as a child such as crystal mikes which I can play with for sound effects. I can do OK with these capturing my ideas and efforts..... believe it or not but recomendations are a real help ....... now the secret is out the price of d200's will probably rocket! There are these "Behringer C1 Studio condenser mic*Exeptional Equality* on eBAy........ well thats what is claimed they are item 7389646241 ....... but maybe they are eye candy mikes. I saw a D190 with the old style (was it a toucherel?) connector ..... it must be ancient ...... it was slowly rising in price even so. I'm trying to search for D200E's on ebay UK but its raining heavily so the dial up pixies are turning into gremlins which means pages take 10 minutes to load ..... if you are lucky...... anyone want our rain ...... peace ian r >Subject: & query about powered and non powered mikes. I would look on ebay for a couple of old AKG D200E mics. They come up for sale often and are not that well known now so they sell for maybe $40 US per mic at most. I am not alone in considering them as a dynamic mic that thinks it's a good condenser. The ultra cheap condensers are not really worthy of serious consideration. Some try to pretend pretty well, and offer a lot of "bang for the buck," but that still doesn't make them good mics. The D200 is a good mic... just ask Kermit, he's the reason I own two pairs. BTW, D190 is also a good mic, but I still like D200 better. Cheers, Ed From cdgravens at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 11 22:20:33 2006 From: cdgravens at sbcglobal.net (christopher gravens) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New member with an RX-505 Message-ID: <20060211212033.8184.qmail@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the response, Martin. Seems logical that the pin on the gear is sheared off, and yes everything else on deck is fully functional. (Actually I have the apparently common "squeak" when hitting Stop, but I've seen a few threads in the past on what to lubricate to eliminate this). Hopefully there's a chance at reconstructing the damaged gear. I have access to a decent machine shop at work. (Assuming its difficult to get this part). To anyone familiar with this operation, I must admit I haven't determined the best way to get to this gear. Are the slide chassis and the main "gear" chassis removed together, with the smaller motor holder chassis (the one with the pot and motor) attached, probably out the back? Definitely want to avoid disassembling areas I don't need to. Any hints would be greatly appreciated. After seeing the complexity of this unit I don't think I want to trust the repairs to the local non-Nak service shop, if they are willing to even attempt it. Thanks, Chris Chris, Given your diagnosis thus far and if everything else seems to work, then check that the drive pin on the main gear for the auto reverse mechanism... (the large gear under the cassette housing) hasn't been sheared off in transit. This pin is not the most robust feature, simply being moulded as part of the gear, and is easily sheared off. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Feb 11 22:49:37 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:49:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] service manuals In-Reply-To: <200602112135.k1BLZfAo011440@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <20060211214937.32238.qmail@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nakamichi should have it : http://www.nakusa.com/master/contact.htm What else, maybe eslabs does. Alex Cagann a écrit : v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Thanks! I need one for a Nak OMS7 cd player. Can’t find one anywhere, can’t even find one for sale. I just replaced the laser in this unit, and it still isn’t working, and from what I can tell, you need the manual to tweak the adjustments to make it work. --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE : [naktalk] service manuals naks.mine.nu Alex Cagann a écrit : Nakamichi service manuals...I forgot where they are posted. Is there a special site? 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 12 01:10:04 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:10:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Anyone with a useful mike for sale Message-ID: <001401c62f68$acde6c80$0dc987d9@oemcomputer> Guys It's my birthday again and in case you were wondering what to buy me I thought I'd suggest you all club together and send me either a nice Dragon or a working 1000ZXL ... I'll be watching the post... Gra' > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Feb 12 01:40:20 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:40:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Anyone with a useful mike for sale Message-ID: <20060212004020.52338.qmail@web36215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hehehe! Unfortunately I bought too much audio equipment lately. ;-) Nelson a écrit : Guys It's my birthday again and in case you were wondering what to buy me I thought I'd suggest you all club together and send me either a nice Dragon or a working 1000ZXL ... I'll be watching the post... Gra' Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 12 03:55:45 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:55:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Anyone with a useful mike for sale Hi Gra' Happy Birthday...., enjoy the "Joy of Living"...! Best wishes for you, Tania & the kids...regarding your petition or dreaming....exist the possibility...(Depends of my close relatives...of course...when I will go to "Hell"...before I will ak them to send my Dragon as my personal gift...! Only...please...be very...very...very...Patiently! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:Anyone with a useful mike for sale Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:10:04 -0000 > >Guys > >It's my birthday again and in case you were wondering what to buy me I >thought I'd suggest you all club together and send me either a nice Dragon >or a working 1000ZXL ... > >I'll be watching the post... > >Gra' > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sun Feb 12 05:42:11 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:42:11 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: New member with an RX-505 Message-ID: <000e01c62f8e$b3169160$0201a8c0@lan> Chris, Before hauling anything apart, see if you can confirm that it is the main gear "R' Arm drive pin that has sheared. The pin should be visible protruding through the 'R'' arm with a brass ferrule as the wear surface. If this pin has sheared, then it is a major strip of the transport to replace, but it is quite do-able. The entire transport needs to be removed as a single assembly, then dis-assemble from there.. By way of a qualifier.. I have only replaced this gear on my RX202... not my 505.. but the procedure is virtually the same. You will also need Service release OOD-SI-3112 ( publication No O-881105A) if it isn't included with your service manual..to get it all back together in correct alignment again!. I did start looking at a bronze sleeve on a replacement pin that I was going to tap and thread into the nylon gear, ( This can be done without stripping the transport.. I proved this to myself using a nylon sleeved screw).. but the guy's at B&W kindly supplied a replacement gear so I hauled it apart to keep it all 'genuine'. 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Yours sincerely, Pan Am From N4229K at aol.com Sun Feb 12 21:50:56 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:50:56 EST Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps Problem Message-ID: <8d.36306852.3120f9b0@aol.com> Hello Everyone: I was wondering if orange caps are just BAD and all should be replaced or certain caps orange or any other color should be changed in various Nak decks. I recently picked up a 700 ZXE and there are orange caps on just about all the boards. Is there a list or guideline that someone has. I found an archive tread that said "Scott" has some info in this matter. I have had various Nak decks over the years and about 5 I bought new. The best one is a Dragon. I love Vintage equipment and own as of this week about 12 Nak decks from original owners. Back in Elem and HS I built EICO and Heathkits and have always been addicted to this stuff. Again if any one can help on the Cap problem I would appreciate it. Thanks Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Feb 12 22:00:56 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:00:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps Problem In-Reply-To: <8d.36306852.3120f9b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060212210056.75636.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You should replace all of them, because they all get bad with time. I think that the mfg. of these orange caps made bad caps.(They all go bad in every models I think...) Some more info here: http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html -- It would be nice to have a "Links" page on naks.com N4229K at aol.com a écrit : Hello Everyone: I was wondering if orange caps are just BAD and all should be replaced or certain caps orange or any other color should be changed in various Nak decks. I recently picked up a 700 ZXE and there are orange caps on just about all the boards. Is there a list or guideline that someone has. I found an archive tread that said "Scott" has some info in this matter. I have had various Nak decks over the years and about 5 I bought new. The best one is a Dragon. I love Vintage equipment and own as of this week about 12 Nak decks from original owners. Back in Elem and HS I built EICO and Heathkits and have always been addicted to this stuff. Again if any one can help on the Cap problem I would appreciate it. Thanks Dean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Feb 12 22:42:23 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:42:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] preamp trouble Message-ID: <43EFABBF.5080101@cox.net> Please excuse the off-topic post, but I'm hoping someone here can give me some advice. I have an Adcom GTP500 II preamp/tuner that has developed two problems and I would like to repair it. Is anyone aware of any chat groups centered around Adcom that they could point me to? I don't have a service manual for this item. Problem 1 is with the FM tuner. There is an intermittent problem in the front end itself which causes the FM to die. I rarely use FM, so it hasn't really bothered me much. Problem 2 is newly developed. The left channel output goes very, very, low. It does this on all sources, and is not affected by the manipulation of any controls or switches. Once low, it stays low until the unit is switched off for a while and then back on. I have confirmed that the power amp and cables are not the problem. This should be relatively easy to track down once I get it opened up, but some service info sure would help. My ZX-7 runs through this preamp. Tim From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Feb 13 02:01:24 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:01:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] preamp trouble In-Reply-To: <43EFABBF.5080101@cox.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060212195753.017f63e0@pop.east.cox.net> Try here! There is a seperate section for tuners. http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?forum=vinyl&n=191980&highlight=audio+girl+redtrumpet&session= Please excuse the off-topic post, but I'm hoping someone here can give me some advice. I have an Adcom GTP500 II preamp/tuner that has developed two problems and I would like to repair it. Is anyone aware of any chat groups centered around Adcom that they could point me to? I don't have a service manual for this item. >Problem 1 is with the FM tuner. There is an intermittent problem in the >front end itself which causes the FM to die. I rarely use FM, so it >hasn't really bothered me much. >Problem 2 is newly developed. The left channel output goes very, very, >low. It does this on all sources, and is not affected by the manipulation >of any controls or switches. Once low, it stays low until the unit is >switched off for a while and then back on. I have confirmed that the >power amp and cables are not the problem. This should be relatively easy >to track down once I get it opened up, but some service info sure would help. >My ZX-7 runs through this preamp. > >Tim >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Feb 13 02:29:22 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:29:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] preamp trouble In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060212195753.017f63e0@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060212195753.017f63e0@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <43EFE0F2.5000809@cox.net> Thanks, Roland. Didn't find a solution, but did find someone else with the same tuner problem, so at least now I have some company. I'll get this thing working again somehow. Tim roland wrote: > Try here! There is a seperate section for tuners. > > http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?forum=vinyl&n=191980&highlight=audio+girl+redtrumpet&session= > > > > > > Please excuse the off-topic post, but I'm hoping someone here can give > me some advice. I have an Adcom GTP500 II preamp/tuner that has > developed two problems and I would like to repair it. Is anyone aware > of any chat groups centered around Adcom that they could point me to? > I don't have a service manual for this item. > >> Problem 1 is with the FM tuner. There is an intermittent problem in >> the front end itself which causes the FM to die. I rarely use FM, so >> it hasn't really bothered me much. >> Problem 2 is newly developed. The left channel output goes very, >> very, low. It does this on all sources, and is not affected by the >> manipulation of any controls or switches. Once low, it stays low >> until the unit is switched off for a while and then back on. I have >> confirmed that the power amp and cables are not the problem. This >> should be relatively easy to track down once I get it opened up, but >> some service info sure would help. >> My ZX-7 runs through this preamp. >> >> Tim >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Feb 12 07:11:51 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:11:51 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Anyone with a useful mike for sale Happy birthday Gra, so you're what now 21...30 ;) Tom. >Guys > >It's my birthday again and in case you were wondering what to buy me I >thought I'd suggest you all club together and send me either a nice >Dragon or a working 1000ZXL ... > >I'll be watching the post... > >Gra' > > > From teethrus at bigpond.net.au Mon Feb 13 11:45:19 2006 From: teethrus at bigpond.net.au (Nick Mega) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:45:19 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] cr3 problem Message-ID: <43F0633F.9030601@bigpond.net.au> Hi guys i have this curious prob with a cr3...press play it plays crystal clear sound both channells. After 1 second or so the right shannell drops out (both play and record) and the deck in left channell goes muffled.. curiously if you turn the thing upside down it improves slightly. I took the cassette mechanism out of the case carefully indexed everything and played with the alignment.. got it working ok then once its back in the case etc... exactly the same prob.. its as if the heads shift (the hand of god?) so whats the deal? Any suggestions will be appreciatyed Cheers Nick Magelakis -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 10/2/2006 From teethrus at bigpond.net.au Mon Feb 13 13:13:27 2006 From: teethrus at bigpond.net.au (Nick Mega) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:13:27 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Alps potentiometers Message-ID: <43F077E7.5000202@bigpond.net.au> Hi my 580 has scratchy recording level and output pots. Does anyone know of replacements for these they are marked alps 934B (100k and also 10K) AX2 the third (recording balance ) is marked 941a 10k 10 watt Thankyou all Nick mega Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 10/2/2006 From luis at peromarta.org Mon Feb 13 15:12:15 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:12:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alps potentiometers In-Reply-To: <43F077E7.5000202@bigpond.net.au> References: <43F077E7.5000202@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <43F093BF.1040908@peromarta.org> mmm... 10 Watts for a line level pot? rgds, LP. Nick Mega wrote: > Hi my 580 has scratchy recording level and output pots. > Does anyone know of replacements for these they are marked alps 934B > (100k and also 10K) AX2 > the third (recording balance ) is marked 941a 10k 10 watt > Thankyou all > Nick mega > Australia -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 13 15:24:38 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:24:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alps potentiometers In-Reply-To: <43F077E7.5000202@bigpond.net.au> References: <43F077E7.5000202@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <43F096A6.8090909@rcn.com> Nick Mega wrote: > Hi my 580 has scratchy recording level and output pots. > Does anyone know of replacements for these they are marked alps 934B > (100k and also 10K) AX2 > the third (recording balance ) is marked 941a 10k 10 watt > Thankyou all > Nick mega > Australia Before replacing I would try to clean the pots (spray 'contact cleaner with lubricant' into openings in the pots and work then back and forth a few times). This should work if pots tracks are not pitted by now. However, if a coupling cap is leaky, causing DC to appear on a pot slider, it will eventually become 'scratchy' again, The track could become pitted at which point the pot will be beyond repair. -- Ron From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 13 15:57:32 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:57:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Alps potentiometers In-Reply-To: <43F096A6.8090909@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060213145733.44326.qmail@web36215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And if you really don't want to get an other one you could open the pots and make the contacts wipe an other place on the carbon trace : Makes a new pot! Ron a écrit : Nick Mega wrote: > Hi my 580 has scratchy recording level and output pots. > Does anyone know of replacements for these they are marked alps 934B > (100k and also 10K) AX2 > the third (recording balance ) is marked 941a 10k 10 watt > Thankyou all > Nick mega > Australia Before replacing I would try to clean the pots (spray 'contact cleaner with lubricant' into openings in the pots and work then back and forth a few times). This should work if pots tracks are not pitted by now. However, if a coupling cap is leaky, causing DC to appear on a pot slider, it will eventually become 'scratchy' again, The track could become pitted at which point the pot will be beyond repair. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Feb 13 16:06:21 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:06:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alps potentiometers Message-ID: Hi Nick! Ron is 100% right...Alps potentiometers, are really good ones...spray "Servisol" UK brand contact cleaner with lubricant...do as Ron advice you...will be OK for long term again! Good luck! ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alps potentiometers >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:24:38 -0500 > >Nick Mega wrote: >>Hi my 580 has scratchy recording level and output pots. >>Does anyone know of replacements for these they are marked alps 934B (100k >>and also 10K) AX2 >>the third (recording balance ) is marked 941a 10k 10 watt >>Thankyou all >>Nick mega >>Australia > >Before replacing I would try to clean the pots (spray >'contact cleaner with lubricant' into openings in the >pots and work then back and forth a few times). This >should work if pots tracks are not pitted by now. > >However, if a coupling cap is leaky, causing DC to >appear on a pot slider, it will eventually become >'scratchy' again, The track could become pitted at >which point the pot will be beyond repair. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Feb 13 23:35:39 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:35:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 sound problem Message-ID: Nick I had the same problem with my LX3. Solved it by replacing all the orange mylar caps. Back to lovely normal. David Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:45:19 +1100 From: Nick Mega Subject: [naktalk] cr3 problem To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <43F0633F.9030601 at bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi guys i have this curious prob with a cr3...press play it plays crystal clear sound both channells. After 1 second or so the right shannell drops out (both play and record) and the deck in left channell goes muffled.. curiously if you turn the thing upside down it improves slightly. I took the cassette mechanism out of the case carefully indexed everything and played with the alignment.. got it working ok then once its back in the case etc... exactly the same prob.. its as if the heads shift (the hand of god?) so whats the deal? Any suggestions will be appreciatyed Cheers Nick Magelakis From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 23:49:08 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:49:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR3 sound problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060213224908.54693.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry sir CR3 does not have orange cap problem - its Capstan belt should be changed. 99% the problem should go with it Kannan David Thompson wrote: Nick I had the same problem with my LX3. Solved it by replacing all the orange mylar caps. Back to lovely normal. David Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:45:19 +1100 From: Nick Mega Subject: [naktalk] cr3 problem To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <43F0633F.9030601 at bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi guys i have this curious prob with a cr3...press play it plays crystal clear sound both channells. After 1 second or so the right shannell drops out (both play and record) and the deck in left channell goes muffled.. curiously if you turn the thing upside down it improves slightly. I took the cassette mechanism out of the case carefully indexed everything and played with the alignment.. got it working ok then once its back in the case etc... exactly the same prob.. its as if the heads shift (the hand of god?) so whats the deal? Any suggestions will be appreciatyed Cheers Nick Magelakis ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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From the service manual drawings and watching the unit try to work I have at least a modest understanding of how this section of the deck should function and feel comfortable working on it. I'm still not sure of the easiest way to remove the assembly however. It looks like it is held in place by two screws in the front and the obvious bracket on top. The electrical connections are obvious. Its not clear what needs to come apart to make room to get the assembly out however. I'm certainly not looking for anyone to write a step by step walk-through, but a hint or two from anybody would be very greatly appreciated. Once again thanks Martin for all of your help so far. - Chris Chris, Before hauling anything apart, see if you can confirm that it is the main gear "R' Arm drive pin that has sheared. The pin should be visible protruding through the 'R'' arm with a brass ferrule as the wear surface. If this pin has sheared, then it is a major strip of the transport to replace, but it is quite do-able. The entire transport needs to be removed as a single assembly, then dis-assemble from there.. By way of a qualifier.. I have only replaced this gear on my RX202... not my 505.. but the procedure is virtually the same. You will also need Service release OOD-SI-3112 ( publication No O-881105A) if it isn't included with your service manual..to get it all back together in correct alignment again!. I did start looking at a bronze sleeve on a replacement pin that I was going to tap and thread into the nylon gear, ( This can be done without stripping the transport.. I proved this to myself using a nylon sleeved screw).. but the guy's at B&W kindly supplied a replacement gear so I hauled it apart to keep it all 'genuine'. Good luck, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 15 11:51:02 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:51:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 2000 In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DD3E@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000401c6321d$b64edd60$3aa587d9@oemcomputer> I've been searching the Net without success ... anyone know where I can download a copy of Outlook 2000? Gra' > From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Feb 15 16:37:47 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:37:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Office 2000 References: <200602151100.k1FB0LFh007717@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000801c63245$c7d33e00$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> > I've been searching the Net without success ... anyone know where I can > download a copy of Outlook 2000? > > Gra' Hi Graham, I don't think you can get any of the MS Office components by download....only by CD. Outlook 2000 is, of course one of the components of Office 2000, and also comes pre-installed on PCs with WindowsXP....and all prior Windows. I found Outlook 2000 at one location, and Office 2000 Small Business at another for about the same cost. These are much less expensive than more current versions like Office 2003 and Office XP, but still a bit pricey if you are just trying to fix a broken PC?: http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product.asp?sku=1716471&jumpid=ex_r2910_dealtimesmb/accessories http://www.esuperdeal.com/cgi-bin/ait-detail.asp?product_no=308&menu_no=12 Robert Kent From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Feb 15 17:04:40 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:04:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 2000 In-Reply-To: <000401c6321d$b64edd60$3aa587d9@oemcomputer> References: <000401c6321d$b64edd60$3aa587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43F35118.9080207@yahoo.ca> Why? Nelson a écrit : > I've been searching the Net without success ... anyone know where I can > download a copy of Outlook 2000? > > Gra' > From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Wed Feb 15 17:13:52 2006 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:13:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Office 2000 In-Reply-To: <000801c63245$c7d33e00$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <200602151100.k1FB0LFh007717@zxe.naks.com> <000801c63245$c7d33e00$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <43F35340.7050202@bluewin.ch> Hi Graham Do you want to use Microsoft Outlook Express, Microsoft Office Outlook or the whole Office-Package? If you only want to read ans send your e-mails, take Mozillas Thunderbird 1.0.7. It's safer. Franz rjkent at comcast.net schrieb: > >> I've been searching the Net without success ... anyone know where I can >> download a copy of Outlook 2000? >> >> Gra' > > > Hi Graham, > I don't think you can get any of the MS Office components by > download....only by CD. Outlook 2000 is, of course one of the > components of Office 2000, and also comes pre-installed on PCs with > WindowsXP....and all prior Windows. I found Outlook 2000 at one > location, and Office 2000 Small Business at another for about the same > cost. These are much less expensive than more current versions like > Office 2003 and Office XP, but still a bit pricey if you are just > trying to fix a broken PC?: > > http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product.asp?sku=1716471&jumpid=ex_r2910_dealtimesmb/accessories > > > http://www.esuperdeal.com/cgi-bin/ait-detail.asp?product_no=308&menu_no=12 > > > Robert Kent > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Feb 15 17:18:41 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:18:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Office 2000 In-Reply-To: <43F35340.7050202@bluewin.ch> References: <200602151100.k1FB0LFh007717@zxe.naks.com> <000801c63245$c7d33e00$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> <43F35340.7050202@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <43F35461.10603@yahoo.ca> Hi Franz, Why not Thunderbird 1.5? Maybe you aren't aware of it's release? (I use Mozilla since it was Netscape Communicator 4.x -- And am always aware when they release something. Just fast looking at MozDev and MozillaZine often) Franz A. Riedlinger a écrit : > Hi Graham > Do you want to use Microsoft Outlook Express, Microsoft Office Outlook > or the whole Office-Package? > If you only want to read ans send your e-mails, take Mozillas > Thunderbird 1.0.7. It's safer. > Franz > > rjkent at comcast.net schrieb: > >> >>> I've been searching the Net without success ... anyone know where I can >>> download a copy of Outlook 2000? >>> >>> Gra' >> >> >> Hi Graham, >> I don't think you can get any of the MS Office components by >> download....only by CD. Outlook 2000 is, of course one of the >> components of Office 2000, and also comes pre-installed on PCs with >> WindowsXP....and all prior Windows. I found Outlook 2000 at one >> location, and Office 2000 Small Business at another for about the >> same cost. These are much less expensive than more current versions >> like Office 2003 and Office XP, but still a bit pricey if you are >> just trying to fix a broken PC?: >> >> http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product.asp?sku=1716471&jumpid=ex_r2910_dealtimesmb/accessories >> >> >> http://www.esuperdeal.com/cgi-bin/ait-detail.asp?product_no=308&menu_no=12 >> >> >> Robert Kent From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 15 17:29:18 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:29:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 2000 In-Reply-To: <000401c6321d$b64edd60$3aa587d9@oemcomputer> References: <000401c6321d$b64edd60$3aa587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43F356DE.6000009@rcn.com> I have it and will gladly email it to you. However, I have already used the product key when installing it; meaning, MS will recognize it a a copy and you will not be able to apply any (including security) updates. Also, mine is part of Office and I am not sure Outlook can be emailed separately. So, if you have your own product key and just need the physical copy, let me know the largest file size your email account can absorb. Otherwise, I'm afraid your only resort is to buy one. BTW, Outlook is not the best email package, by far. I heartily recommend the (free for download) Mozilla Thunderbird (latest rev: V1.5). Have a nice day, -- Ron Nelson wrote: > I've been searching the Net without success ... anyone know where I can > download a copy of Outlook 2000? > > Gra' From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Feb 15 17:36:20 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:36:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 2000 In-Reply-To: <43F356DE.6000009@rcn.com> References: <000401c6321d$b64edd60$3aa587d9@oemcomputer> <43F356DE.6000009@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43F35884.8030005@yahoo.ca> You can update copied Office. Just not Windows. Ron a écrit : > > I have it and will gladly email it to you. > However, I have already used the product key > when installing it; meaning, MS will recognize > it a a copy and you will not be able to apply > any (including security) updates. Also, mine > is part of Office and I am not sure Outlook > can be emailed separately. > > So, if you have your own product key and just > need the physical copy, let me know the largest > file size your email account can absorb. > Otherwise, I'm afraid your only resort is to > buy one. > > BTW, Outlook is not the best email package, by > far. I heartily recommend the (free for download) > Mozilla Thunderbird (latest rev: V1.5). > > Have a nice day, > > -- Ron > > > Nelson wrote: >> I've been searching the Net without success ... anyone know where I can >> download a copy of Outlook 2000? >> >> Gra' > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Feb 15 19:52:33 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:52:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 2000 In-Reply-To: <000401c6321d$b64edd60$3aa587d9@oemcomputer> References: <000401c6321d$b64edd60$3aa587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43F37871.6060506@cox.net> Graham - I'd like to echo all of the other recommendations to use Mozilla Thunderbird mail. It's free, it's stable, and it works very well. And if you are still using IE, take a look at Mozilla Firefox. Tim Nelson wrote: >I've been searching the Net without success ... anyone know where I can >download a copy of Outlook 2000? > >Gra' > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 15 21:50:38 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:50:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook for Outlook 2000 In-Reply-To: <20060215200447.52377.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c63271$7b4f36c0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Yeh, but it still needs IE to view pages that will not look right otherwise. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 15 February 2006 20:05 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Outlook for Outlook 2000 MS has just released the beta version of IE7. Apparently they have taken a leave from Firefox and have implemented tabbed browsing and picture zooming in among other features. However, Firefox is still way ahead of IE7 - recently the French police force converted all its 17,000 pcs to using Firefox. Great that Open Source software is making positive progress. Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Tim Barrett wrote: Graham - I'd like to echo all of the other recommendations to use Mozilla Thunderbird mail. It's free, it's stable, and it works very well. And if you are still using IE, take a look at Mozilla Firefox. Tim Nelson wrote: I've been searching the Net without success ... anyone know where I can download a copy of Outlook 2000? 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 16 11:55:21 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:55:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] recent off topic posts Message-ID: <10422.212.78.164.66.1140087321.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All, I had released moderation from the list for some time but the recent off topic posts about Airplanes (!!!???) and yesterday Office 2000 (!!!!???) had me restore moderation on everyone on the list, it's sad but true. Naktalk is NOT a list to talk about airplanes or office software, how can anyone even think of starting a thread about such a subject and also reply to such off-topic posts??? Off topic posts are posts about Nakamichi amplifiers, of someone requesting a (service) manual for a Revox deck, or a discussion about interlinks. Imagine those that subscribed yesterday to the list, it must have been weird to see a discussion on office 2000! I also don't understand WHY anyone would even dare to ask me about WHY i rejected about 10 posts today about the office 2000 subject that i rejected today. If you don't like this go to another list. This list on subject from now on and if you don't like a rejected posting, too bad. Wouter From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Feb 16 11:56:38 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:56:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi motor Message-ID: Guys, I'm sure some of you have seen this Ebay auction that lists a Nakamichi motor BFS7B12 and the picture is attached. I am wondering, what is this motor used for? Does anyone know? Cheers. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz) Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: John ROSETT To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] nak 550 i recently purchased a nakamichi 550 at the local goodwill. when i try to play a cassette on it, it will play fine for a minute or less, then shut off. the motor seems to turn freely when there,s no cassette in it. i haven't found anyone in my area that will look at it. my next step is to give it a thorough cleaning, but that's about the limit of my repair ability. any suggestions? thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Feb 16 21:25:49 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:25:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi motor In-Reply-To: <43F48051.7010902@rcn.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron, so do you know which deck uses this reel motor? Kelvin. >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi motor >Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:38:25 -0500 > >winnie pooh wrote: >>Guys, >> >>I'm sure some of you have seen this Ebay auction that lists a Nakamichi >>motor BFS7B12 and the picture is attached. I am wondering, what is this >>motor used for? Does anyone know? Cheers. >> > >Looks like a reel motor. > >-- Ron >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Feb 16 21:32:23 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:32:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT Nakamichi Stasis amps In-Reply-To: <43F48051.7010902@rcn.com> Message-ID: Hi, What's everyone's opinion on the Nak CA5 pre-amp and the matching PA-5 STASIS power amp? Are they worth getting for around US $200? Any potential/known problems and how's the sound quality? I remeber Stephen used to rave about the STASIS amps but can't remember if it was the CA5 or the CA7 or PA5 or PA7. Thanks for any forthcoming advise. Kelvin. From N4229K at aol.com Thu Feb 16 22:07:56 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:07:56 EST Subject: [naktalk] nak 550 Message-ID: <264.5d76ed9.312643ac@aol.com> Hi I sounds like you need an idler tire. Is the rewind and forward OK? Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Thu Feb 16 23:31:43 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:31:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] nak 550 In-Reply-To: <003801c6332d$12531ee0$371a98de@tec> Message-ID: Hi Donald. Could you email or upload the manual to me, so I can put it on the net. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Donald Sangster Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:13 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 550 Hi John If you email me direct, I will email you the service manual. (donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz) Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: John ROSETT To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] nak 550 i recently purchased a nakamichi 550 at the local goodwill. when i try to play a cassette on it, it will play fine for a minute or less, then shut off. the motor seems to turn freely when there,s no cassette in it. i haven't found anyone in my area that will look at it. my next step is to give it a thorough cleaning, but that's about the limit of my repair ability. any suggestions? thanks _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Feb 16 23:42:03 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:42:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT Nakamichi Stasis amps In-Reply-To: References: <43F48051.7010902@rcn.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060216174047.01b43a88@psulias.psu.edu> At $200 a piece it's a very good deal, $200 combined, is a freaking steal. At 03:32 PM 2/16/2006, winnie pooh wrote: >Hi, > >What's everyone's opinion on the Nak CA5 pre-amp and the matching PA-5 >STASIS power amp? Are they worth getting for around US $200? Any >potential/known problems and how's the sound quality? I remeber Stephen >used to rave about the STASIS amps but can't remember if it was the CA5 or >the CA7 or PA5 or PA7. Thanks for any forthcoming advise. > >Kelvin. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From enoyes at snet.net Fri Feb 17 05:33:49 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:33:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT Nakamichi Stasis amps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F5522D.2040607@snet.net> GRAB THEM NOW! For that price they are a steal. The CA5 is a very basic circuit which Stephen liked very much. He was not keen on the CA7. Likewise, the PA-5 is not the fire breather that the PA-7 is, but it's a fine sounding aamp that can still put out a good bit of juice. Ed winnie pooh wrote: > > Hi, > > What's everyone's opinion on the Nak CA5 pre-amp and the matching PA-5 > STASIS power amp? Are they worth getting for around US $200? Any > potential/known problems and how's the sound quality? I remeber > Stephen used to rave about the STASIS amps but can't remember if it > was the CA5 or the CA7 or PA5 or PA7. Thanks for any forthcoming advise. > > Kelvin. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From bwana747 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 17 07:07:21 2006 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:07:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not sure if it's the same part number but the brass fitting on the motor shaft in your picture looks exactly like what transfers motion from the motor to the idler pulley on my BX-1 and / or LX-3. Bob > >I'm sure some of you have seen this Ebay auction that lists a Nakamichi >motor BFS7B12 and the picture is attached. I am wondering, what is this >motor used for? Does anyone know? Cheers. > ><< a6_1.JPG >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Feb 17 07:12:54 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:12:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT Nakamichi Stasis amps References: Message-ID: <001201c63389$31e93120$a6d117c4@home> Stephen raved about the CA 5 (did not like the CA 7 --he said something about the dogs in the neighbour beginning to wail if you have the thing on!) I think thats very strong.---I use the CA7 and PA 7 and find them very acceptable,the CA 7 has the switching capabilities of other nak units viz up to 2 cassette decks(if one is a CR7-or both CR7-. azimuth switching as well) one CD ,2 Aux', St7 tuner. Of the Nak units that are fully compatible with the CA7 ,full house switching can be made by theCA7 remote.What a pleasure! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT Nakamichi Stasis amps > > Hi, > > What's everyone's opinion on the Nak CA5 pre-amp and the matching PA-5 > STASIS power amp? Are they worth getting for around US $200? Any > potential/known problems and how's the sound quality? I remeber Stephen > used to rave about the STASIS amps but can't remember if it was the CA5 or > the CA7 or PA5 or PA7. Thanks for any forthcoming advise. > > Kelvin. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From N4229K at aol.com Fri Feb 17 09:56:39 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:56:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi motor Message-ID: <1d5.4e07f4e6.3126e9c7@aol.com> Yes, I agree is used for idler pulley on BX decks and the 202 I believe. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 17 16:02:42 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:02:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps Problem In-Reply-To: <8d.36306852.3120f9b0@aol.com> References: <8d.36306852.3120f9b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <43F5E592.7000900@rcn.com> The orange caps are not bad, per se. It's just that they seem to have a limited life span. By now (more than 20 years later), many of them have reached the end of their lives and many more are gasping for their last breath. Caps of other colors were made by a other manufacturers and do not seem to exhibit the problem. You can ignore the issue until an orange cap fails; then, open up the deck, diagnose, locate and replace that particular one bad cap. Or, you can replace every orange cap in sight en mass and thus solve the problem in one fell swoop. While this is a big job in many decks, the time to do it is probably shorter than the total time it would take to individually replace each failing capacitor. This will have to be followed be a complete recalibration of the deck (a $75 to $150 expense at ESL). Personally, I bought quality replacements for all orange caps (plus all electrolytic caps in the signal path) with the intention of upgrading my CR-7. However, as you probably know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, so the job still remains to be done... -- Ron N4229K at aol.com wrote: > Hello Everyone: > > I was wondering if orange caps are just BAD and all should be replaced > or certain caps orange or any other color should be changed in various > Nak decks. I recently picked up a 700 ZXE and there are orange caps on > just about all the boards. Is there a list or guideline that someone > has. I found an archive tread that said "Scott" has some info in this > matter. > I have had various Nak decks over the years and about 5 I bought new. > The best one is a Dragon. I love Vintage equipment and own as of this > week about 12 Nak decks from original owners. Back in Elem and HS I > built EICO and Heathkits and have always been addicted to this stuff. > Again if any one can help on the Cap problem I would appreciate it. > > Thanks > Dean From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Feb 18 01:40:47 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:40:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Message-ID: Precautions in tape operation: If the speed of a tape machine is advanced beyond the normal speed, high frequency responce is increased at the rate of 6DB per octave over normal for each doubling of tape speed. On Fast Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy of great magnitude may be generated even though the head gate is open. Always reduce volume during the process even though the signal is inaudible. This is especially important in fast editing procedures , where frequently the gate is opened only partially, so that the tape traverse can be cued audibly. I found this out myself doing some home recording..... Hah, not likely, I'm an amateur, but I came across this on a webpage for vintage Altec speaker information. Does this information apply ONLY to Reel to Reel,and/or is this information completely outdated? BTW, wouldnt it be on everyones wishlist for Nakamichi to have produced a Reel to Reel machine? Seriously, i only wished they could have made at least one dual dubbing deck! http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_images/T-350_2.gif -- The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: Dear Mr Boeing, Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. Yours sincerely, Pan Am From logosfire at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 11:22:51 2006 From: logosfire at gmail.com (Logosfire) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:22:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 600 console Message-ID: <55f362cf0602180222q3dd795b5u89e6ba1b64402a45@mail.gmail.com> I got a set of `Nakamichi 600 console` comes with a 600 two heads cassette deck,a 630 FM tuner preamplifire and a 620 power amplifire. All items work well except the 630 FM tuner preamp having channels output balanced problem.The right channel showing significant reduced in signal strenght. Both channels come to balance only when the balance control turns to 4 o`clock. And without the service manual I just couldn`t diagnose the problem. Any one here in the naktalk could give me a helping hand. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Feb 18 12:22:51 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:22:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Message-ID: Hi Jerry! With Nak or other cassette decks...such ISSUE...CAN'T HAPPEN EVER! So for us...cassette fans at the most..what you wrote is NO relevant....Period! Be well, ALEX! >From: jerryjg >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:40:47 -0600 > >Precautions in tape operation: If the speed of a tape machine is advanced >beyond the normal speed, high frequency responce is increased at the rate >of 6DB per octave over normal for each doubling of tape speed. On Fast >Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy of great magnitude may be generated >even though the head gate is open. Always reduce volume during the process >even though the signal is inaudible. This is especially important in fast >editing procedures , where frequently the gate is opened only partially, >so that the tape traverse can be cued audibly. I found this out myself >doing some home recording..... Hah, not likely, I'm an amateur, but I >came across this on a webpage for vintage Altec speaker information. Does >this information apply ONLY to Reel to Reel,and/or is this information >completely outdated? BTW, wouldnt it be on everyones wishlist for >Nakamichi to have produced a Reel to Reel machine? Seriously, i only >wished they could have made at least one dual dubbing deck! > >http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_images/T-350_2.gif > >-- >The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > >Dear Mr Boeing, > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as >well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > Yours sincerely, > Pan Am >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Feb 18 14:41:56 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:41:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F72424.3040906@rcn.com> jerryjg wrote: > Precautions in tape operation: If the speed of a tape machine is > advanced beyond the normal speed, high frequency responce is increased > at the rate of 6DB per octave over normal for each doubling of tape > speed. That would be true, if response depended on nothing but head gap considerations. Unfortunately, response also depends on other factors, that are not affected by tape speed. > On Fast Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy of great magnitude > may be generated even though the head gate is open. Always reduce volume > during the process even though the signal is inaudible. Well... First, if the tape is even a small distance away from the head, pickup is dramatically reduced. In addition, Nak decks mute the output during FF/REW. > This is > especially important in fast editing procedures , where frequently the > gate is opened only partially, so that the tape traverse can be cued > audibly. I found this out myself doing some home recording..... Hah, > not likely, I'm an amateur, but I came across this on a webpage for > vintage Altec speaker information. Does this information apply ONLY to > Reel to Reel,and/or is this information completely outdated? This is too general. As you say, editing decks allow signal leakage during FF/REW, but I do not recall that signal ever being very high. But then, my experience with recording is anything but recent... > BTW, > wouldnt it be on everyones wishlist for Nakamichi to have produced a > Reel to Reel machine? Not on mine... I used to own Uher, Grundig and ReVox r-t-r decks, way before the Nakamichi name became famous, and found both to perfectly meet my needs of the time. -- Ron > Seriously, i only wished they could have made at > least one dual dubbing > deck! > http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_images/T-350_2.gif From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Feb 18 17:04:53 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:04:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F745A5.6080803@yahoo.ca> Uh, well, dunno : My Superscope CD-330 let you hear the tape when on FF and REW + play. There's a little bit of distance with the tape and head when it's doing this. But, it's much louder than when on play. Alex Cozac a écrit : > Hi Jerry! > > With Nak or other cassette decks...such ISSUE...CAN'T HAPPEN EVER! > > So for us...cassette fans at the most..what you wrote is NO > relevant....Period! > > Be well, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: jerryjg >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:40:47 -0600 >> >> Precautions in tape operation: If the speed of a tape machine is >> advanced beyond the normal speed, high frequency responce is >> increased at the rate of 6DB per octave over normal for each >> doubling of tape speed. On Fast Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy >> of great magnitude may be generated even though the head gate is >> open. Always reduce volume during the process even though the signal >> is inaudible. This is especially important in fast editing >> procedures , where frequently the gate is opened only partially, so >> that the tape traverse can be cued audibly. I found this out myself >> doing some home recording..... Hah, not likely, I'm an amateur, but >> I came across this on a webpage for vintage Altec speaker >> information. Does this information apply ONLY to Reel to Reel,and/or >> is this information completely outdated? BTW, wouldnt it be on >> everyones wishlist for Nakamichi to have produced a Reel to Reel >> machine? Seriously, i only wished they could have made at least one >> dual dubbing deck! >> >> http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_images/T-350_2.gif >> >> -- >> The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >> >> Dear Mr Boeing, >> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty >> as well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. >> Yours sincerely, >> Pan Am From jmrosett at msn.com Sat Feb 18 21:43:04 2006 From: jmrosett at msn.com (John ROSETT) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:43:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak 550 Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Sat Feb 18 21:38:47 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:38:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060218153042.02c3a788@pop.videotron.ca> Some Nak decks let you CUE when in FF or REW mode. To access the CUE mode, put the deck into FF or REW than hit PAUSE. You will then be able to hear the tape in fast mode (and reduced output level) and rock back and forth while cueing using FF and REW. If you hold down FF or REW while in CUE mode, you will be able to cue at a slower speed. This works on the 1000ZXL for sure and likely on several other models, maybe even on your Dragon, Alex. Cheers, -Marc At 06:22 02/18/2006, you wrote: >Hi Jerry! > >With Nak or other cassette decks...such ISSUE...CAN'T HAPPEN EVER! > >So for us...cassette fans at the most..what you wrote is NO >relevant....Period! > >Be well, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: jerryjg >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:40:47 -0600 >> >>Precautions in tape operation: If the speed of a tape machine is advanced >>beyond the normal speed, high frequency responce is increased at the rate >>of 6DB per octave over normal for each doubling of tape speed. On Fast >>Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy of great magnitude may be generated >>even though the head gate is open. Always reduce volume during the process >>even though the signal is inaudible. This is especially important in fast >>editing procedures , where frequently the gate is opened only partially, >>so that the tape traverse can be cued audibly. I found this out myself >>doing some home recording..... Hah, not likely, I'm an amateur, but I >>came across this on a webpage for vintage Altec speaker information. Does >>this information apply ONLY to Reel to Reel,and/or is this information >>completely outdated? BTW, wouldnt it be on everyones wishlist for >>Nakamichi to have produced a Reel to Reel machine? Seriously, i only >>wished they could have made at least one dual dubbing deck! >> >>http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_images/T-350_2.gif >> >>-- >>The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >> >>Dear Mr Boeing, >> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as >>well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. >> Yours sincerely, >> Pan Am >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 19 04:53:07 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:53:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Message-ID: Hi Marc! Thank you for your cute reply...but for me it's really NO relevant...as if this "Feature" exist in my lovely Dragon...100% sure I never will use it. As since I enter at the "Tape" era, near 4 decades earlier...never use such feature even with my few R to R decks. When I record today a cassette, I listen it from the beginning to the end using the "Automatic" reverse listening that have all Dragon's. Could be for other people who love to "Play"...with decks this issue..., must take in account. Best wishes Marc! ALEX! >From: Marc Denis >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:38:47 -0500 > >Some Nak decks let you CUE when in FF or REW mode. To access the CUE mode, >put the deck into FF or REW than hit PAUSE. You will then be able to hear >the tape in fast mode (and reduced output level) and rock back and forth >while cueing using FF and REW. If you hold down FF or REW while in CUE >mode, you will be able to cue at a slower speed. This works on the 1000ZXL >for sure and likely on several other models, maybe even on your Dragon, >Alex. > >Cheers, > >-Marc > > >At 06:22 02/18/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Jerry! >> >>With Nak or other cassette decks...such ISSUE...CAN'T HAPPEN EVER! >> >>So for us...cassette fans at the most..what you wrote is NO >>relevant....Period! >> >>Be well, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: jerryjg >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >>>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:40:47 -0600 >>> >>>Precautions in tape operation: If the speed of a tape machine is advanced >>>beyond the normal speed, high frequency responce is increased at the rate >>>of 6DB per octave over normal for each doubling of tape speed. On Fast >>>Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy of great magnitude may be generated >>>even though the head gate is open. Always reduce volume during the >>>process >>>even though the signal is inaudible. This is especially important in fast >>>editing procedures , where frequently the gate is opened only partially, >>>so that the tape traverse can be cued audibly. I found this out myself >>>doing some home recording..... Hah, not likely, I'm an amateur, but I >>>came across this on a webpage for vintage Altec speaker information. >>>Does >>>this information apply ONLY to Reel to Reel,and/or is this information >>>completely outdated? BTW, wouldnt it be on everyones wishlist for >>>Nakamichi to have produced a Reel to Reel machine? Seriously, i only >>>wished they could have made at least one dual dubbing deck! >>> >>>http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_images/T-350_2.gif >>> >>>-- >>>The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >>> >>>Dear Mr Boeing, >>> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as >>>well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Pan Am >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 19 04:59:48 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:59:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060219035948.47746.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any other decks have this feature. Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on several occasions and it is very annoying. SJ --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Jerry! > > With Nak or other cassette decks...such ISSUE...CAN'T HAPPEN EVER! > > So for us...cassette fans at the most..what you wrote is NO > relevant....Period! > > Be well, > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: jerryjg > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation > >Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:40:47 -0600 > > > >Precautions in tape operation: If the speed of a tape machine is > advanced > >beyond the normal speed, high frequency responce is increased at > the rate > >of 6DB per octave over normal for each doubling of tape speed. On > Fast > >Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy of great magnitude may be > generated > >even though the head gate is open. Always reduce volume during the > process > >even though the signal is inaudible. This is especially important > in fast > >editing procedures , where frequently the gate is opened only > partially, > >so that the tape traverse can be cued audibly. I found this out > myself > >doing some home recording..... Hah, not likely, I'm an amateur, > but I > >came across this on a webpage for vintage Altec speaker > information. Does > >this information apply ONLY to Reel to Reel,and/or is this > information > >completely outdated? BTW, wouldnt it be on everyones wishlist for > > >Nakamichi to have produced a Reel to Reel machine? Seriously, i > only > >wished they could have made at least one dual dubbing deck! > > > > >http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_images/T-350_2.gif > > > >-- > >The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > > > >Dear Mr Boeing, > > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is > pretty as > >well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > > Yours sincerely, > > Pan Am > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sun Feb 19 13:05:33 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:05:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice Message-ID: <000601c6354c$c9c4c3a0$3699d255@homeduron1300> Hi folks, I wonder if I might ask for some advice on tape to tape recording? I have two RX505Es and have been recording tape to tape lately. The originals are spoken word audio books, which I do not want to risk in the car. I've been scratching my head for the best settings though. If I play the originals with Dolby on, it sounds like it's coming from the bottom of a fish pond, so I leave it off. (I presume these proprietary recordings were not made with Dolby - perhaps that's why it sounds worse). On the other hand, if I record the new tape with Dolby B or C I can't get the sound quality the same as the original. They sound muted somehow. So I've been recording (and playing the original) with no Dolby and at home it sounds fine. However in the car there is quite a lot of hiss. Can anyone suggest the best solution for sound quality and noise levels? Both 505s have been serviced by B&W within the last year, although I will admit one sounds 'brighter' in playback than the other. I tend to play on the brighter one and record with the other. Recordings from CD are fine and I use Dolby B or C, but I feel with the added noise from the source tape the problems are magnified and I certainly can't pretend to anyone listening that it is CD quality - well, not in the car anyway. Thanks, David From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Sun Feb 19 13:34:11 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:34:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <000601c6354c$c9c4c3a0$3699d255@homeduron1300> References: <000601c6354c$c9c4c3a0$3699d255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060219072753.02f6aa78@pop.videotron.ca> My first impression is that there must be significant differences in azimuth between the deck on which your spoken words audio books were recorded, your car deck and your 505s. This causes losses in high frequency response when your tape migrates from one deck to another. Using Dolby typically makes these differences more audible. Regards, -Marc At 07:05 02/19/2006, you wrote: >Hi folks, >I wonder if I might ask for some advice on tape to tape recording? >I have two RX505Es and have been recording tape to tape lately. >The originals are spoken word audio books, which I do not want to risk in >the car. >I've been scratching my head for the best settings though. >If I play the originals with Dolby on, it sounds like it's coming from the >bottom of a fish pond, so I leave it off. (I presume these proprietary >recordings were not made with Dolby - perhaps that's why it sounds worse). >On the other hand, if I record the new tape with Dolby B or C I can't get >the sound quality the same as the original. They sound muted somehow. >So I've been recording (and playing the original) with no Dolby and at home >it sounds fine. However in the car there is quite a lot of hiss. >Can anyone suggest the best solution for sound quality and noise levels? > >Both 505s have been serviced by B&W within the last year, although I will >admit one sounds 'brighter' in playback than the other. >I tend to play on the brighter one and record with the other. > >Recordings from CD are fine and I use Dolby B or C, but I feel with the >added noise from the source tape the problems are magnified and I certainly >can't pretend to anyone listening that it is CD quality - well, not in the >car anyway. > >Thanks, > >David > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From araba at hot.ee Sun Feb 19 13:41:17 2006 From: araba at hot.ee (Andres Raba) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:41:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: <200602191101.k1JB04Nu020847@zxe.naks.com> References: <200602191101.k1JB04Nu020847@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <43F8676D.1090400@hot.ee> Hello, My name is Andres Raba, I'm in Estonia. I've been reading NakTalk and NakChatt list for a long time, it's been a great help! Thanks a lot to all Naktalkers and -chatters! Now it's time to post. You've been talking about cueing. The 670ZX and 680ZX have the CUE function also! You just press Pause during FF or REW and the tape speed reduces to 1/3. Heads will be closer to tape and you can hear the content. If you further press and hold FF or REW, you can reduce the tape speed to 1/5. Pressing Stop or Play will exit the CUE mode. This information is from the User Manuals. Big thanks also to Scott Johnson for the excellent "Nakamichi commonly asked questions and problems" page! And to Mr. Bleus for the Nak Cyberspot! And all the others with great Nakamichi info pages! BTW, I have MR-1 and 680ZX, will get High Com II soon. Best Regards, Andres Scott Johnson wrote: > The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF > or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. > The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any > other decks have this feature. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 19 14:09:40 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:09:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060219130940.11721.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I think its really how you use the deck. For example, I really thought it was cool to use the RAMM feature when I initially used the ZX/ZXL decks. But I realized that tape-head wear would be speeded up even thought the tape may not come into full contact with the head. But its all in how each individual uses their decks. Regards, Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Marc! Thank you for your cute reply...but for me it's really NO relevant...as if this "Feature" exist in my lovely Dragon...100% sure I never will use it. As since I enter at the "Tape" era, near 4 decades earlier...never use such feature even with my few R to R decks. When I record today a cassette, I listen it from the beginning to the end using the "Automatic" reverse listening that have all Dragon's. Could be for other people who love to "Play"...with decks this issue..., must take in account. Best wishes Marc! ALEX! >From: Marc Denis >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:38:47 -0500 > >Some Nak decks let you CUE when in FF or REW mode. To access the CUE mode, >put the deck into FF or REW than hit PAUSE. You will then be able to hear >the tape in fast mode (and reduced output level) and rock back and forth >while cueing using FF and REW. If you hold down FF or REW while in CUE >mode, you will be able to cue at a slower speed. This works on the 1000ZXL >for sure and likely on several other models, maybe even on your Dragon, >Alex. > >Cheers, > >-Marc > > >At 06:22 02/18/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Jerry! >> >>With Nak or other cassette decks...such ISSUE...CAN'T HAPPEN EVER! >> >>So for us...cassette fans at the most..what you wrote is NO >>relevant....Period! >> >>Be well, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: jerryjg >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >>>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:40:47 -0600 >>> >>>Precautions in tape operation: If the speed of a tape machine is advanced >>>beyond the normal speed, high frequency responce is increased at the rate >>>of 6DB per octave over normal for each doubling of tape speed. On Fast >>>Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy of great magnitude may be generated >>>even though the head gate is open. Always reduce volume during the >>>process >>>even though the signal is inaudible. This is especially important in fast >>>editing procedures , where frequently the gate is opened only partially, >>>so that the tape traverse can be cued audibly. I found this out myself >>>doing some home recording..... Hah, not likely, I'm an amateur, but I >>>came across this on a webpage for vintage Altec speaker information. >>>Does >>>this information apply ONLY to Reel to Reel,and/or is this information >>>completely outdated? BTW, wouldnt it be on everyones wishlist for >>>Nakamichi to have produced a Reel to Reel machine? Seriously, i only >>>wished they could have made at least one dual dubbing deck! >>> >>>http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_images/T-350_2.gif >>> >>>-- >>>The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >>> >>>Dear Mr Boeing, >>> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is pretty as >>>well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Pan Am >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 19 14:10:18 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:10:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Message-ID: Hi Scott! I'm 100% sure that your eruditeness pass mine millions times..., & maybe you are honest...BUT...as I already wrote...for me this particularly ISSUE...is NOT relevant... I play all the whole cassette thanks to the "Auto reverse" Dragon's feature...and never for more of 4 decades of using tape, decks first Reel to Reel...& later cassette "Cue" in FF trying to find an a specific song. For so this issue IS NOT relevant for me...you can accepted or not...is your choose. Scott all my best wishes! ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:59:48 -0800 (PST) > >The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF >or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. >The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any >other decks have this feature. > >Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages >for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on >several occasions and it is very annoying. > >SJ > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hi Jerry! > > > > With Nak or other cassette decks...such ISSUE...CAN'T HAPPEN EVER! > > > > So for us...cassette fans at the most..what you wrote is NO > > relevant....Period! > > > > Be well, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jerryjg > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation > > >Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:40:47 -0600 > > > > > >Precautions in tape operation: If the speed of a tape machine is > > advanced > > >beyond the normal speed, high frequency responce is increased at > > the rate > > >of 6DB per octave over normal for each doubling of tape speed. On > > Fast > > >Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy of great magnitude may be > > generated > > >even though the head gate is open. Always reduce volume during the > > process > > >even though the signal is inaudible. This is especially important > > in fast > > >editing procedures , where frequently the gate is opened only > > partially, > > >so that the tape traverse can be cued audibly. I found this out > > myself > > >doing some home recording..... Hah, not likely, I'm an amateur, > > but I > > >came across this on a webpage for vintage Altec speaker > > information. Does > > >this information apply ONLY to Reel to Reel,and/or is this > > information > > >completely outdated? BTW, wouldnt it be on everyones wishlist for > > > > >Nakamichi to have produced a Reel to Reel machine? Seriously, i > > only > > >wished they could have made at least one dual dubbing deck! > > > > > > > >http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_images/T-350_2.gif > > > > > >-- > > >The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > > > > > >Dear Mr Boeing, > > > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is > > pretty as > > >well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > > > Yours sincerely, > > > Pan Am > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 19 15:47:58 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:47:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: <20060219035948.47746.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060219035948.47746.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43F8851E.1090808@rcn.com> Well, we can't all be as expert as you are :-). Besides, the issue was not whether all Naks have CUE and REV functions, but whether their output volume would be so high as to risk the speakers. Personally, I made the same mistake, never having encountered this feature (but then, I am not that familiar with the RX-505) in a Nak deck. I did have this feature in most (or all?) r-t-r decks I have owned, none of which had a problem with too-high of a level. I only found it useful when patching recording segments for audio visual presentations; IOW, not very often. -- Ron Scott Johnson wrote: > The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF > or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. > The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any > other decks have this feature. > > Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages > for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on > several occasions and it is very annoying. > > SJ > > --- Alex Cozac wrote: > >> Hi Jerry! >> >> With Nak or other cassette decks...such ISSUE...CAN'T HAPPEN EVER! >> >> So for us...cassette fans at the most..what you wrote is NO >> relevant....Period! >> >> Be well, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: jerryjg >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >>> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:40:47 -0600 >>> >>> Precautions in tape operation: If the speed of a tape machine is >> advanced >>> beyond the normal speed, high frequency responce is increased at >> the rate >>> of 6DB per octave over normal for each doubling of tape speed. On >> Fast >>> Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy of great magnitude may be >> generated >>> even though the head gate is open. Always reduce volume during the >> process >>> even though the signal is inaudible. This is especially important >> in fast >>> editing procedures , where frequently the gate is opened only >> partially, >>> so that the tape traverse can be cued audibly. I found this out >> myself >>> doing some home recording..... Hah, not likely, I'm an amateur, >> but I >>> came across this on a webpage for vintage Altec speaker >> information. Does >>> this information apply ONLY to Reel to Reel,and/or is this >> information >>> completely outdated? BTW, wouldnt it be on everyones wishlist for >> >>> Nakamichi to have produced a Reel to Reel machine? Seriously, i >> only >>> wished they could have made at least one dual dubbing deck! >> >>> >>> http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_images/T-350_2.gif >>> >>> -- >>> The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: >>> >>> Dear Mr Boeing, >>> Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is >> pretty as >>> well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Pan Am From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 19 15:52:56 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:52:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060219072753.02f6aa78@pop.videotron.ca> References: <000601c6354c$c9c4c3a0$3699d255@homeduron1300> <6.2.3.4.2.20060219072753.02f6aa78@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <43F88648.2070301@rcn.com> I'll second that, and add to it the possibility of Dolby level mismatch between the RX-505 and the car player. Assuming all three decks are properly adjusted, the correct procedure would be to PB without Dolby into a Dolby B recording, then play the recording in the car with Dolby engaged. -- Ron Marc Denis wrote: > My first impression is that there must be significant differences in > azimuth between the deck on which your spoken words audio books were > recorded, your car deck and your 505s. This causes losses in high > frequency response when your tape migrates from one deck to another. > Using Dolby typically makes these differences more audible. > > Regards, > > -Marc > > > At 07:05 02/19/2006, you wrote: >> Hi folks, >> I wonder if I might ask for some advice on tape to tape recording? >> I have two RX505Es and have been recording tape to tape lately. >> The originals are spoken word audio books, which I do not want to risk in >> the car. >> I've been scratching my head for the best settings though. >> If I play the originals with Dolby on, it sounds like it's coming from >> the >> bottom of a fish pond, so I leave it off. (I presume these proprietary >> recordings were not made with Dolby - perhaps that's why it sounds >> worse). >> On the other hand, if I record the new tape with Dolby B or C I can't get >> the sound quality the same as the original. They sound muted somehow. >> So I've been recording (and playing the original) with no Dolby and at >> home >> it sounds fine. However in the car there is quite a lot of hiss. >> Can anyone suggest the best solution for sound quality and noise levels? >> >> Both 505s have been serviced by B&W within the last year, although I will >> admit one sounds 'brighter' in playback than the other. >> I tend to play on the brighter one and record with the other. >> >> Recordings from CD are fine and I use Dolby B or C, but I feel with the >> added noise from the source tape the problems are magnified and I >> certainly >> can't pretend to anyone listening that it is CD quality - well, not in >> the >> car anyway. >> >> Thanks, >> >> David From rob at rhoag.com Sun Feb 19 17:43:30 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:43:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: <43F8676D.1090400@hot.ee> Message-ID: The ZX-7 and ZX-9 also have cue with two speeds so that you can audibly hear the music at 1/3 speed, and then slow it down to 1/6th speed in order to locate the spot you want, and you can "rock" it back and forth, forward to reverse. In combination with the memory return feature, it's extremly useful, not a gimmic, but only if you are doing a lot of tape compilations where you are recording from multiple records and putting together one tape of selections. I used to use it all the time back in the 80's when I was doing a lot of recording. One useful example of its use is reaching the end of a tape side and having the music end in synce with the tape remaining. Not knowing the exact end of the tape, where you can have time to use the slow fade out, so that it ends just near the end of the tape with no wasted, empty tape is always a problem. On a long orchestral piece, not wanting to re-record the whole piece, I would use the cue to go back a bit to a spot that I could easily, audibly hear to splice in the the music, and then, knowing the end counter number, fade out the tape just at the end. That way I didn't have to re-record the whole piece. Very useful feature. Doane ------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Andres Raba Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Hello, My name is Andres Raba, I'm in Estonia. I've been reading NakTalk and NakChatt list for a long time, it's been a great help! Thanks a lot to all Naktalkers and -chatters! Now it's time to post. You've been talking about cueing. The 670ZX and 680ZX have the CUE function also! You just press Pause during FF or REW and the tape speed reduces to 1/3. Heads will be closer to tape and you can hear the content. If you further press and hold FF or REW, you can reduce the tape speed to 1/5. Pressing Stop or Play will exit the CUE mode. This information is from the User Manuals. Big thanks also to Scott Johnson for the excellent "Nakamichi commonly asked questions and problems" page! And to Mr. Bleus for the Nak Cyberspot! And all the others with great Nakamichi info pages! BTW, I have MR-1 and 680ZX, will get High Com II soon. Best Regards, Andres Scott Johnson wrote: > The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF > or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. > The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any > other decks have this feature. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 19 23:33:48 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:33:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: <20060219035948.47746.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060219035948.47746.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43F8F24C.6060605@xs4all.nl> The 68x series, 58x series, 700ZXL/E, 1000ZXL, ZX7/9 and LX3/5 also have the 2-speed cueing feature as well as the Dragon. When my Dragon had serious tape travel problems the queing feature was the first to fail specially in the slowest mode. It is a good test in my opinion to see if a deck performs good for tape travel, if it's bad the deck simply stops when performing the queing. Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF > or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. > The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any > other decks have this feature. > > Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages > for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on > several occasions and it is very annoying. > > SJ > From rob at rhoag.com Mon Feb 20 00:38:35 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:38:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: <43F8F24C.6060605@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hi, Wouter: Sorry, the LX3 and LX5 don't have the cue feature. Good point about it being a soumewhat good test of the transport, I've never had that problem, but would imagine it would show problems there first, thanks. Doane ------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:34 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation The 68x series, 58x series, 700ZXL/E, 1000ZXL, ZX7/9 and LX3/5 also have the 2-speed cueing feature as well as the Dragon. When my Dragon had serious tape travel problems the queing feature was the first to fail specially in the slowest mode. It is a good test in my opinion to see if a deck performs good for tape travel, if it's bad the deck simply stops when performing the queing. Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF > or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. > The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any > other decks have this feature. > > Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages > for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on > several occasions and it is very annoying. > > SJ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Feb 20 01:02:39 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:02:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060220000239.16171.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alex I find it rather what to say ??? If you are concerned with this issue or not relevant why should you respond ? Kannan Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Scott! I'm 100% sure that your eruditeness pass mine millions times..., & maybe you are honest...BUT...as I already wrote...for me this particularly ISSUE...is NOT relevant... I play all the whole cassette thanks to the "Auto reverse" Dragon's feature...and never for more of 4 decades of using tape, decks first Reel to Reel...& later cassette "Cue" in FF trying to find an a specific song. For so this issue IS NOT relevant for me...you can accepted or not...is your choose. Scott all my best wishes! ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:59:48 -0800 (PST) > >The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF >or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. >The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any >other decks have this feature. > >Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages >for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on >several occasions and it is very annoying. > >SJ > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hi Jerry! > > > > With Nak or other cassette decks...such ISSUE...CAN'T HAPPEN EVER! > > > > So for us...cassette fans at the most..what you wrote is NO > > relevant....Period! > > > > Be well, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jerryjg > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation > > >Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:40:47 -0600 > > > > > >Precautions in tape operation: If the speed of a tape machine is > > advanced > > >beyond the normal speed, high frequency responce is increased at > > the rate > > >of 6DB per octave over normal for each doubling of tape speed. On > > Fast > > >Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy of great magnitude may be > > generated > > >even though the head gate is open. Always reduce volume during the > > process > > >even though the signal is inaudible. This is especially important > > in fast > > >editing procedures , where frequently the gate is opened only > > partially, > > >so that the tape traverse can be cued audibly. I found this out > > myself > > >doing some home recording..... Hah, not likely, I'm an amateur, > > but I > > >came across this on a webpage for vintage Altec speaker > > information. Does > > >this information apply ONLY to Reel to Reel,and/or is this > > information > > >completely outdated? BTW, wouldnt it be on everyones wishlist for > > > > >Nakamichi to have produced a Reel to Reel machine? Seriously, i > > only > > >wished they could have made at least one dual dubbing deck! > > > > > > > >http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_images/T-350_2.gif > > > > > >-- > > >The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > > > > > >Dear Mr Boeing, > > > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is > > pretty as > > >well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > > > Yours sincerely, > > > Pan Am > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? 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Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 19 February 2006 14:53 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > > I'll second that, and add to it the possibility > of Dolby level mismatch between the RX-505 and > the car player. > > Assuming all three decks are properly adjusted, > the correct procedure would be to PB without > Dolby into a Dolby B recording, then play the > recording in the car with Dolby engaged. > > -- Ron > > > Marc Denis wrote: > > My first impression is that there must be significant differences in > > azimuth between the deck on which your spoken words audio books were > > recorded, your car deck and your 505s. This causes losses in high > > frequency response when your tape migrates from one deck to another. > > Using Dolby typically makes these differences more audible. > > > > Regards, > > > > -Marc > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Feb 20 05:04:37 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:04:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Message-ID: Dear Wouter! It's really something new for me that the Dragon...has such 2-speed cueing feature! Today I will read again very well the Owner manual, as looking at the front panel...can't found "Cueing"...only 2 speed "Fader"...to finish "In a very Pro way" each side of the cassette, (BTW...I use this feature once only...), usefully when I record from my Turntable source. Any way...for "Listening" purpose. I don't intend to use it. Wouter...all my best wishes! ALEX! >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:33:48 +0100 > >The 68x series, 58x series, 700ZXL/E, 1000ZXL, ZX7/9 and LX3/5 also have >the 2-speed cueing feature as well as the Dragon. >When my Dragon had serious tape travel problems the queing feature was the >first to fail specially in the slowest mode. >It is a good test in my opinion to see if a deck performs good for tape >travel, if it's bad the deck simply stops when performing the queing. > >Wouter > >Scott Johnson wrote: >>The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF >>or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. The >>RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any >>other decks have this feature. >> >>Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages >>for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on >>several occasions and it is very annoying. >> >>SJ >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Feb 20 06:05:21 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 05:05:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Message-ID: Hi again Wouter! YES..., my deepest apologies for NOT be so well aware of this feature, page #: 7 from the US Dragon's owner manual, & page #:16 & 17 from the European owner manual. As I never will use such feature...I do not really cognizant..., sorry! Thank you for your information, Cheers, ALEX! >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:33:48 +0100 > >The 68x series, 58x series, 700ZXL/E, 1000ZXL, ZX7/9 and LX3/5 also have >the 2-speed cueing feature as well as the Dragon. >When my Dragon had serious tape travel problems the queing feature was the >first to fail specially in the slowest mode. >It is a good test in my opinion to see if a deck performs good for tape >travel, if it's bad the deck simply stops when performing the queing. > >Wouter > >Scott Johnson wrote: >>The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF >>or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. The >>RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any >>other decks have this feature. >> >>Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages >>for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on >>several occasions and it is very annoying. >> >>SJ >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From brando009 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 20 08:07:05 2006 From: brando009 at hotmail.com (Brandon White) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:07:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX 300 torque take up Message-ID: Hi. I am doing an gear upgrade mod to my BX 300. I was wondering if anyone knew where to set the take-up torque after installation? I don't have access to the needed gauges. Thanks From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Feb 20 09:33:55 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:33:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Message-ID: Hi Kannan! Yes...you are 100% right...no one is 100% perfect, as myself. I end with this issue yet! Cheers, ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:02:39 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Alex > I find it rather what to say ??? > If you are concerned with this issue or not relevant why should you >respond ? > Kannan > >Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Scott! > >I'm 100% sure that your eruditeness pass mine millions times..., & maybe >you >are honest...BUT...as I already wrote...for me this particularly ISSUE...is >NOT relevant... I play all the whole cassette thanks to the "Auto reverse" >Dragon's feature...and never for more of 4 decades of using tape, decks >first Reel to Reel...& later cassette "Cue" in FF trying to find an a >specific song. For so this issue IS NOT relevant for me...you can accepted >or not...is your choose. > >Scott all my best wishes! > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation > >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:59:48 -0800 (PST) > > > >The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF > >or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. > >The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any > >other decks have this feature. > > > >Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages > >for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on > >several occasions and it is very annoying. > > > >SJ > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Hi Jerry! > > > > > > With Nak or other cassette decks...such ISSUE...CAN'T HAPPEN EVER! > > > > > > So for us...cassette fans at the most..what you wrote is NO > > > relevant....Period! > > > > > > Be well, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jerryjg > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation > > > >Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:40:47 -0600 > > > > > > > >Precautions in tape operation: If the speed of a tape machine is > > > advanced > > > >beyond the normal speed, high frequency responce is increased at > > > the rate > > > >of 6DB per octave over normal for each doubling of tape speed. On > > > Fast > > > >Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy of great magnitude may be > > > generated > > > >even though the head gate is open. Always reduce volume during the > > > process > > > >even though the signal is inaudible. This is especially important > > > in fast > > > >editing procedures , where frequently the gate is opened only > > > partially, > > > >so that the tape traverse can be cued audibly. I found this out > > > myself > > > >doing some home recording..... Hah, not likely, I'm an amateur, > > > but I > > > >came across this on a webpage for vintage Altec speaker > > > information. Does > > > >this information apply ONLY to Reel to Reel,and/or is this > > > information > > > >completely outdated? BTW, wouldnt it be on everyones wishlist for > > > > > > >Nakamichi to have produced a Reel to Reel machine? Seriously, i > > > only > > > >wished they could have made at least one dual dubbing deck! > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_images/T-350_2.gif > > > > > > > >-- > > > >The 747 is the result of a letter from Pan Am to Boeing in 1965: > > > > > > > >Dear Mr Boeing, > > > > Please build us a very big aeroplane soon. If it is > > > pretty as > > > >well that will be a bonus. We will buy lots of them. > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > Pan Am > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Feb 20 10:19:04 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:19:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: References: <43F8F24C.6060605@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <6392.212.78.164.66.1140427144.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> OOps you're right! I always WANT to think they also have this feature... it is strange somehow because specially the ZX7/9 seem to have the same transport, the difference must be an IC or something like that. This is a nice thing to investigate tonight. Wouter > Hi, Wouter: > > Sorry, the LX3 and LX5 don't have the cue feature. > Good point about it being a soumewhat good test of the transport, I've > never > had that problem, but would imagine it would show problems there first, > thanks. > > Doane > ------------------------ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:34 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation > > > The 68x series, 58x series, 700ZXL/E, 1000ZXL, ZX7/9 and LX3/5 also have > the 2-speed cueing feature as well as the Dragon. > When my Dragon had serious tape travel problems the queing feature was > the first to fail specially in the slowest mode. > It is a good test in my opinion to see if a deck performs good for tape > travel, if it's bad the deck simply stops when performing the queing. > > Wouter > > Scott Johnson wrote: >> The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF >> or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. >> The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any >> other decks have this feature. >> >> Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages >> for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on >> several occasions and it is very annoying. >> >> SJ >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 20 15:07:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:07:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX 300 torque take up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F9CD0B.30403@rcn.com> Brandon White wrote: > Hi. I am doing an gear upgrade mod to my BX 300. I was wondering if > anyone knew where to set the take-up torque after installation? I don't > have access to the needed gauges. Thanks Doing the adjustment does require a torque gauge. You adjust VR601 (Logic PCB) for 50 g-cm on the take up reel in the middle of a C-60 cassette. If you don't have a torque gauge, you won't be too far off (hopefully) if you adjust VR601 for about 2.75V on the reel motor for the same condition. -- Ron From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Feb 20 18:16:21 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:16:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: <6392.212.78.164.66.1140427144.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <43F8F24C.6060605@xs4all.nl> <6392.212.78.164.66.1140427144.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <43F9F965.30709@xs4all.nl> It seems while looking in both service manuals that the Logic & Power PCB's (B-2501) are almost identical. The LX pcb has at some points no components, the 'cue' spot amongst others... I'm not a technician so maybe some of our Nak-techs can look into this? Maybe cueing can be enabled quite easy on the LX decks.. Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > OOps you're right! > I always WANT to think they also have this feature... it is strange > somehow because specially the ZX7/9 seem to have the same transport, the > difference must be an IC or something like that. This is a nice thing to > investigate tonight. > Wouter > > > >> Hi, Wouter: >> >> Sorry, the LX3 and LX5 don't have the cue feature. >> Good point about it being a soumewhat good test of the transport, I've >> never >> had that problem, but would imagine it would show problems there first, >> thanks. >> >> Doane >> ------------------------ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Wouter Heijke >> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:34 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >> >> >> The 68x series, 58x series, 700ZXL/E, 1000ZXL, ZX7/9 and LX3/5 also have >> the 2-speed cueing feature as well as the Dragon. >> When my Dragon had serious tape travel problems the queing feature was >> the first to fail specially in the slowest mode. >> It is a good test in my opinion to see if a deck performs good for tape >> travel, if it's bad the deck simply stops when performing the queing. >> >> Wouter >> >> Scott Johnson wrote: >> >>> The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF >>> or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. >>> The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any >>> other decks have this feature. >>> >>> Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages >>> for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on >>> several occasions and it is very annoying. >>> >>> SJ >>> >>> From thole at wxs.nl Mon Feb 20 21:35:35 2006 From: thole at wxs.nl (Pieter Thole) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:35:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual ZX7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, I'm about to buy a SM for my ZX7 for € 16. I have not yet seen this manual on the well known website. Does anyone have a copy or shall I just buy the verdomde thing? regards, Pieter From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Feb 20 22:33:19 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:33:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Message-ID: Personally, I have used the cue feature more on my Teac X-2000R as it is much better integrated. You push a lever in FF/REW which moves the heads closer to the tape, but how close it gets is directly proportional to how much you push (it's completely mechanical), so you only push it far enough to get enough a signal to hear. Also, the Teac transport has the feature that when you drop the tape lever (i.e. when you hear the thing you were looking for) it remembers where that happens and (having thus of course overshot what you were looking for), you can then tell the deck to go back and find the point where you dropped the lever. As far as destroying speakers, it's of course possible, but you'd probably go screaming out of the room before it got that loud. Also, the Nak\ cassette decks partially mute the output, so, although anything is possible, it's pretty unlikely. More likely with my open reel, but I'd be sreaming and dropping the lever before I ever got that far.-kby From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 20 22:44:04 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:44:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual ZX7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43FA3824.9030303@rcn.com> Pieter Thole wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm about to buy a SM for my ZX7 for € 16. > I have not yet seen this manual on the well known website. > > Does anyone have a copy or shall I just buy the verdomde thing? > > regards, > > Pieter Wish I could help you. I do have the ZX-7 user's manual and the ZX-9 service manual. -- Ron From rob at rhoag.com Tue Feb 21 00:40:34 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:40:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: <43F9F965.30709@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Wooter: even if it were possible to install the components on the PC board, I doubt the switches, etc. would be easily set up to use the cue feature on the LX5 or 3 Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:16 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation It seems while looking in both service manuals that the Logic & Power PCB's (B-2501) are almost identical. The LX pcb has at some points no components, the 'cue' spot amongst others... I'm not a technician so maybe some of our Nak-techs can look into this? Maybe cueing can be enabled quite easy on the LX decks.. Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > OOps you're right! > I always WANT to think they also have this feature... it is strange > somehow because specially the ZX7/9 seem to have the same transport, the > difference must be an IC or something like that. This is a nice thing to > investigate tonight. > Wouter > > > >> Hi, Wouter: >> >> Sorry, the LX3 and LX5 don't have the cue feature. >> Good point about it being a soumewhat good test of the transport, I've >> never >> had that problem, but would imagine it would show problems there first, >> thanks. >> >> Doane >> ------------------------ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Wouter Heijke >> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:34 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >> >> >> The 68x series, 58x series, 700ZXL/E, 1000ZXL, ZX7/9 and LX3/5 also have >> the 2-speed cueing feature as well as the Dragon. >> When my Dragon had serious tape travel problems the queing feature was >> the first to fail specially in the slowest mode. >> It is a good test in my opinion to see if a deck performs good for tape >> travel, if it's bad the deck simply stops when performing the queing. >> >> Wouter >> >> Scott Johnson wrote: >> >>> The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF >>> or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. >>> The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any >>> other decks have this feature. >>> >>> Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages >>> for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on >>> several occasions and it is very annoying. >>> >>> SJ >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Tue Feb 21 00:46:23 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:46:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hmm... With my Nax ZX7 I never had any problems using the cue.. there is no need for any adjustments for how close the heads are to the tape, it's already optimized in design. You can also get the same effect of your Teac where you "drop the tape lever" by just hitting the tape reset button on the ZX7 when it is over the spot you want, then you simply hit the fast fwd or rev with the tape memory on and it will also stop at that exact spot. But with the 1/3 speed, and then the ability to slow it down another half to 1/6th speed, I rarely overshot a spot with my ZX7, and even if I do, I can rock it back and forth in direction at 1/6th speed, as I said earlier. Will your Teac do all that? :~) I can't really see how Nakamichi could have improved on their cue feature, it works flawlessly on my ZX7, and probably does on the other models too. Doane ------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Personally, I have used the cue feature more on my Teac X-2000R as it is much better integrated. You push a lever in FF/REW which moves the heads closer to the tape, but how close it gets is directly proportional to how much you push (it's completely mechanical), so you only push it far enough to get enough a signal to hear. Also, the Teac transport has the feature that when you drop the tape lever (i.e. when you hear the thing you were looking for) it remembers where that happens and (having thus of course overshot what you were looking for), you can then tell the deck to go back and find the point where you dropped the lever. As far as destroying speakers, it's of course possible, but you'd probably go screaming out of the room before it got that loud. Also, the Nak\ cassette decks partially mute the output, so, although anything is possible, it's pretty unlikely. More likely with my open reel, but I'd be sreaming and dropping the lever before I ever got that far.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Feb 21 01:52:25 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:52:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Message-ID: "On Fast Forward or Rewind, supersonic energy of great magnitude may be generated even though the head gate is open. Always reduce volume during the process even though the signal is inaudible. This is especially important in fast ..." -- KImo B. YAPP, Im wondering if you, and others, arent missing the point with your contention that the music would be "so loud you could scream", and that "NAks mute the sound anyway". From my understanding of the article I posted by hyperlink,the energy is capable of either clipping your tape deck power supply and damaging it, and/or frying your tweeters or X-overs more likely. Some of you who say you've never experienced a problem..have you smoked any or power supply caps,speaker X-overs or tweeters in your carreer? Could this be one of the reasons why? Again as the article stated, the "supersonic energy of great magnitude may be generated(during cue process FF/RW)..EVEN THOUGH THE SIGNAL IS INAUDIBLE(muted?). Maybe what im missing is what Ron and ALex said, that this issue is not relevant to NAk cassette decks for some reason unbeknownst to me. What through me off though, is that , for some reason, the Muted output in a NAK during the Cue process in FF/RW is NOT capable of sending a damaging inaudible supersonic signal as i had orginally thought may be possible from the link , again, that i found on the vintage EV speaker website.Thank you for your patience- you must know by now i dont know I dont know what the hell im talking about, which is why I am curious to find out. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 05:12:40 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:12:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: <43F9F965.30709@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060221041240.51117.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter, Yes the features can be enabled on these decks. But two questions come to mind. 1. Availability of the parts. 2. Wear on the heads of using the cue function. Since I never used the cue functions ( I prefer RAMM!), I've never looked exactly at how much the tape contacts the play heads. Regards Bala 79 Labs Wouter Heijke wrote: It seems while looking in both service manuals that the Logic & Power PCB's (B-2501) are almost identical. The LX pcb has at some points no components, the 'cue' spot amongst others... I'm not a technician so maybe some of our Nak-techs can look into this? Maybe cueing can be enabled quite easy on the LX decks.. Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > OOps you're right! > I always WANT to think they also have this feature... it is strange > somehow because specially the ZX7/9 seem to have the same transport, the > difference must be an IC or something like that. This is a nice thing to > investigate tonight. > Wouter > > > >> Hi, Wouter: >> >> Sorry, the LX3 and LX5 don't have the cue feature. >> Good point about it being a soumewhat good test of the transport, I've >> never >> had that problem, but would imagine it would show problems there first, >> thanks. >> >> Doane >> ------------------------ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Wouter Heijke >> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:34 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation >> >> >> The 68x series, 58x series, 700ZXL/E, 1000ZXL, ZX7/9 and LX3/5 also have >> the 2-speed cueing feature as well as the Dragon. >> When my Dragon had serious tape travel problems the queing feature was >> the first to fail specially in the slowest mode. >> It is a good test in my opinion to see if a deck performs good for tape >> travel, if it's bad the deck simply stops when performing the queing. >> >> Wouter >> >> Scott Johnson wrote: >> >>> The RX-505 has a CUE feature that lets you hear the tape while in FF >>> or REW. I think it runs about 3-5x normal play speed while in Cue. >>> The RX-303 and RX-202's do not have this feature. Not sure if any >>> other decks have this feature. >>> >>> Alex maybe you should think a little before responding to messages >>> for which you have no knowledge. You have been flat out wrong on >>> several occasions and it is very annoying. >>> >>> SJ >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7A - recent ebay auction >Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:35:04 -0800 (PST) > > >Recent ebay auction of a CR 7A reached 2550$ > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-7a-Cassette-Deck-Player-CR-7-Dragon-Slayer_W0QQitemZ5865322731QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >while another CR 7 went for 1126$ in Australia > > I had never seen this price range recently while another 1000ZXL going >for 4500$ range. > what is going on! > kannan > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Feb 21 11:34:37 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:34:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Message-ID: <26AB78E5-946C-4ABC-B41A-4E0A06AC5BCB@alumni.caltech.edu> > Hmm... With my Nax ZX7 I never had any problems using the cue.. > there is no > need for any adjustments for how close the heads are to the tape, it's > already optimized in design. You can also get the same effect of > your Teac > where you "drop the tape lever" by just hitting the tape reset > button on the > ZX7 when it is over the spot you want, then you simply hit the fast > fwd or > rev with the tape memory on and it will also stop at that exact > spot. But > with the 1/3 speed, and then the ability to slow it down another > half to > 1/6th speed, I rarely overshot a spot with my ZX7, and even if I > do, I can > rock it back and forth in direction at 1/6th speed, as I said > earlier. Will > your Teac do all that? :~) No, it won't do the slow speed, although you can put it in pause and turn the reels by hand (at whatever speed you want). I actually hadn't thought of using the counter/memory feature until after I wrote the previous, but one thing that is different (and to me more useful that might first appear) is that you can memorize both the "zero" point and the "cue" point on the tape, so you get two points on the tape to be able to remember. Second, the tape counter is linear in time, unlike the Nakamichi, which, like most, counts the number of revolutions of (at least for the 1000zxl) the supply spool (more revolutions with less tape on the spool). Third, at least on the 1000zxl, the counter reset button is far away from the transport controls and so you need two hands. I can set the cue point with one hand on the lever on the R2R. I admit I might just not be as dextrous yet with the buttons as practice might make me (but my deck is up high anyway due to space constraints). Fourth, it's not possible to optimize how close I want the heads at least in the sense I'm thinking of, because the amount of signal want to "hear" off the tape in high speed mode is dependent on the speed of the music and the amount of signal that's on the tape at that particular moment and the ones surrounding it. Finally, what I realized I really missed on the Nak is that I can't go in and out of cue mode w/o going through stop. > arent missing the point > with your contention that the music would be "so loud you could > scream", > and that "NAks mute the sound anyway". As far as the speakers go, no I haven't blown one in the last 40 years, other than certain odd testing cases (which I don't consider this to be). My point with it getting that loud is that you'd stop long before you'd blow a speaker (unless you're already deaf). As far as the pre--amp in the deck, I think the point made earlier that the response of the head isn't totally linear is the relevant one, as well as the point that the amount of signal you get from the tape drops drastically, not linearly (I'm guessing 1/r**2 but I'm a chemist and not a physicist, so I'm sure a physicist can correct that if necessary, but I'd guess it'd be even faster if that isn't correct) as you get further away. Note that if response were strictly linear, it shouldn't be so difficult (read impossible) to do a high speed dup of a cassette and have it sound like the original.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From znyuzo at freemail.hu Tue Feb 21 12:49:22 2006 From: znyuzo at freemail.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ny=FAz=F3_Zsolt_=28Freemail=29?=) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:49:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Assistance required: How old is my Dragon ? Message-ID: <001b01c636dc$db68eeb0$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> ----- Original Message ----- From: Nyúzó Zsolt (T-Online) To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: Assistance required: How old is my Dragon ? Hi Everybody ! I am new to Naktalk, and I need your help and expertise. Could anyone help me finding out the production date of my recently purchased Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Deck ? What data required to determin it ? Serial number is enough or additional info is needed ? Any feedback is appreciated ! Thank you in advance ! Best regards Skinner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Feb 21 16:10:59 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:10:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Assistance required: How old is my Dragon ? In-Reply-To: <001b01c636dc$db68eeb0$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> References: <001b01c636dc$db68eeb0$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Message-ID: <23756.212.78.164.66.1140534659.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi! > > What data required to determin it ? Serial number is enough or additional > info is needed ? > Register your Dragon at: http://www.naks.com/register/ don't forget to put your email address and serial number of your dragon (remember these good!!) Then go here to view your Dragon along the other dragons registered: http://www.naks.com/register/view.html Click on the link on 'Dragon' to see all dragons registered. Look at one before and after your dragon that have the 'production quarter' and 'production year'. Wouter From rob at rhoag.com Tue Feb 21 17:13:05 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:13:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation In-Reply-To: <26AB78E5-946C-4ABC-B41A-4E0A06AC5BCB@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: Kimo/All: I was just kidding you about, "will your deck do this"... I used to own reel to reel decks before cassette decks, and there were things they could do, like the hand cueing you mention, etc., that cassette decks, even the best, can't do, but.. when cassette decks got as good as the Naks, I happily moved on to the much less cumbersome, much more convenient cassette interface and sold my reel-to-reel decks. I suppose, if I had a recording studio, I would find value in the rr format, but not as an audiophile home user who enjoyed taking a cassette with me in a boom box to the beach, or throwing one in a glove box to play back in the car, etc., etc., As to all the comments about the cue feature being a dangerous problem, I think that was only in the early days of reel-to-reel design and low mol tapes. It is quite easy to make a filtering circuit that prevents any high frequencies or clipped signals from passing through during cue operations, and I'm sure if there were any problems like this the Nakamichi engineers, or any other reputable audio company engineers designing a cue circuit would factor that danger into their design. As I said, I used the cue feature on my ZX7 for many years back in the 80s, and on reel-to-reel decks before that, and I played the cue sound quite loudly through my speakers while hunting for spots I wanted and I never had any problems that people have concern over here. Speakers used over several years included AR, KEF, ADS and others... the ADS in particular has fragile dome tweeters, but they were never damaged. Hope that helps Doane ------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Hmm... With my Nax ZX7 I never had any problems using the cue.. there is no need for any adjustments for how close the heads are to the tape, it's already optimized in design. You can also get the same effect of your Teac where you "drop the tape lever" by just hitting the tape reset button on the ZX7 when it is over the spot you want, then you simply hit the fast fwd or rev with the tape memory on and it will also stop at that exact spot. But with the 1/3 speed, and then the ability to slow it down another half to 1/6th speed, I rarely overshot a spot with my ZX7, and even if I do, I can rock it back and forth in direction at 1/6th speed, as I said earlier. Will your Teac do all that? :~) No, it won't do the slow speed, although you can put it in pause and turn the reels by hand (at whatever speed you want). I actually hadn't thought of using the counter/memory feature until after I wrote the previous, but one thing that is different (and to me more useful that might first appear) is that you can memorize both the "zero" point and the "cue" point on the tape, so you get two points on the tape to be able to remember. Second, the tape counter is linear in time, unlike the Nakamichi, which, like most, counts the number of revolutions of (at least for the 1000zxl) the supply spool (more revolutions with less tape on the spool). Third, at least on the 1000zxl, the counter reset button is far away from the transport controls and so you need two hands. I can set the cue point with one hand on the lever on the R2R. I admit I might just not be as dextrous yet with the buttons as practice might make me (but my deck is up high anyway due to space constraints). Fourth, it's not possible to optimize how close I want the heads at least in the sense I'm thinking of, because the amount of signal want to "hear" off the tape in high speed mode is dependent on the speed of the music and the amount of signal that's on the tape at that particular moment and the ones surrounding it. Finally, what I realized I really missed on the Nak is that I can't go in and out of cue mode w/o going through stop. arent missing the point with your contention that the music would be "so loud you could scream", and that "NAks mute the sound anyway". As far as the speakers go, no I haven't blown one in the last 40 years, other than certain odd testing cases (which I don't consider this to be). My point with it getting that loud is that you'd stop long before you'd blow a speaker (unless you're already deaf). As far as the pre--amp in the deck, I think the point made earlier that the response of the head isn't totally linear is the relevant one, as well as the point that the amount of signal you get from the tape drops drastically, not linearly (I'm guessing 1/r**2 but I'm a chemist and not a physicist, so I'm sure a physicist can correct that if necessary, but I'd guess it'd be even faster if that isn't correct) as you get further away. Note that if response were strictly linear, it shouldn't be so difficult (read impossible) to do a high speed dup of a cassette and have it sound like the original.-kby From 3ld at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 21 17:27:05 2006 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:27:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Assistance required: How old is my Dragon ? In-Reply-To: <23756.212.78.164.66.1140534659.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <001b01c636dc$db68eeb0$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> <23756.212.78.164.66.1140534659.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <43FB3F59.6090906@bellsouth.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Feb 21 20:17:13 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:17:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual ZX7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:35:35 +0100, Pieter Thole wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm about to buy a SM for my ZX7 for € 16. >I have not yet seen this manual on the well known website. > >Does anyone have a copy or shall I just buy the verdomde thing? It is ocasionally on eBay at $10. (There is only one now at $16.99 #5868905493) A completeed auction search showed 2 at $10 within the last month. so perhaps a little patience. Many sellers have other models too. so if you could use a few more perhaps you'd want to combine shipping. Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Feb 21 21:16:42 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:16:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7A - recent ebay auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0nL7Q350f=oNYCYQkVn17Tz84CZ9@4ax.com> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:29:09 +0000, "Alex Cozac" wrote: >"One word...Phenomenal"...was most of the time boxed...(SO...WHY"...was >needed to demagnetized, changed the pinch rollers They might have been damaged by the storage conditions. Once the rubber goes sticky you have no choice but to replace it. >...OK the belts were >checked... Wether or not the belt will need replacing at the same time as the pinch roller is depending on the state of the rubber. The rollers and belts need not be made out of the exact same type of rubber or by the same company even. So as chaning a belt typically is more costly in techhours than a poller it is perhaps s othat the belts in that case were ok and did not need to be changed. Soem times even after being idle for a a long time, all you need is to let the deck run for a while so the indention of the belt being stuck in a position will be smoothed out. When dealing with a deck of unknown propertions of use and storage you might want to change both at the same time, especially if you happen to do the renovation yourself, but if you have to pay someone to do it you might want to keep cost to a managable minimum, espcially if you plan to sell it. >looks as new...it's possible, US model 117 mains voltage >only...Why not...people want to pay...so...why NOT!!! There is nothing wrong with running a 110V device off a voltage converter in a country with another voltage. Typically I guess a tape deck will consume less than 40 Watt even with all the bells and whistles in effect. Heck a dbx 224 unit will consume 7 Watt in operation. Also the high bidding price can be contributed by other factors, such as - bidders having so much money that the price really is not an issue. - the bidders are bidding against each other and neither weants to give in easily. - the bidders have no clue as to the typical market value of the items and thinks they are bidding on a once i na life time opportunity to own the item. - the seller may give the bidders the confidence that this amount of money is well spent. - the seller is bidding on his own item reither through an extra identity or through the help of a friend. -Mikkel From thole at wxs.nl Tue Feb 21 21:56:56 2006 From: thole at wxs.nl (Pieter Thole) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:56:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks info pages? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Can anyone tell me how I can take a look at the info that we give at Naks.com when we register our Nak? I would like to see what people pay at what date and also year of make etc. Regards, Pieter From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Feb 21 22:48:56 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:48:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Issue with database? Message-ID: <2CE6069C-8F06-4FD3-903B-D677F5831040@alumni.caltech.edu> Hi, I went to http://naks.com/register/view.html as directed in the question about the dragon to look for my 1000zxl ltd--I can see mine (after entering s/n & e-mail) but there's no link to click on to see others. I know you mentioned there were others, so I expected to see at least one? Thanks.-kby From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Feb 21 23:13:44 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:13:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Issue with database? In-Reply-To: <2CE6069C-8F06-4FD3-903B-D677F5831040@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <2CE6069C-8F06-4FD3-903B-D677F5831040@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <43FB9098.2000102@xs4all.nl> No there is no issue, but yes it's not a full proof system and the link to the other products is a bit hidden.. just click the name of the product, so 1000ZXL LTD in your case. In the detail listing you can come back to your own registered Naks by clicking again on the product itself. If you use the same email address for registration (if you registered more Naks) you should see all of them listed. Normally you would have to use just your email address and one of the serial numbers of Naks registered by you to see all your registered Naks. Enjoy, Wouter Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Hi, > I went to http://naks.com/register/view.html > > as directed in the question about the dragon to look for my 1000zxl > ltd--I can see mine (after entering s/n & e-mail) > but there's no link to click on to see others. I know you mentioned > there were others, so I expected to see at least one? > Thanks.-kby From araba at hot.ee Wed Feb 22 05:18:00 2006 From: araba at hot.ee (Andres Raba) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:18:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX idler In-Reply-To: <200602211101.k1LB1UrK029678@zxe.naks.com> References: <200602211101.k1LB1UrK029678@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <43FBE5F8.8080305@hot.ee> Hello, Does the 680ZX have the same supply-takeup idler tire as Dragon and ZX-7? In other words, are all the classic Nakamichi transports with the same big idler wheel and idler tire? Identical dimensions? Andres From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Feb 22 05:19:20 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 04:19:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7A - recent ebay auction Message-ID: Hi Mikkel! Thank you for your reply...however...when I received, in 2004 my Dragon as a gift from my best passed away widow friend, was boxed for 20 years...only when he acquired during 1984...we record one TDK SA-100 cassette, listen it..and he ask me to put the deck again in his box...as he was determinate NOT to use any tape recorder. Why I'm writing you this history, only to inform you...that ONLY...3 weeks ago the "Cam's belt"...slipper...I received from an a excellent friend & member of our forum an a originally replacement belt...sp, soon I will "Open"...my "Virgin" Dragon, to change the slipper belt for this new one received. Bottom line, what you wrote me in response to my mail...is NOT necessary true...concerning that was boxed so long...so the "Rubber" parts MUST be changed...it's something else there...that we...which did NOT saw the item will never known or gotten it on. Cheers, ALEX! ALEX! >From: Mikkel Breiler >Reply-To: mibm at tdcadsl.dk, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7A - recent ebay auction >Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:16:42 +0100 > >On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:29:09 +0000, "Alex Cozac" >wrote: > > >"One word...Phenomenal"...was most of the time boxed...(SO...WHY"...was > >needed to demagnetized, changed the pinch rollers > >They might have been damaged by the storage conditions. Once the rubber >goes sticky >you have no choice but to replace it. > > >...OK the belts were > >checked... > >Wether or not the belt will need replacing at the same time as the pinch >roller is >depending on the state of the rubber. The rollers and belts need not be >made out of >the exact same type of rubber or by the same company even. So as chaning a >belt >typically is more costly in techhours than a poller it is perhaps s othat >the belts >in that case were ok and did not need to be changed. Soem times even after >being idle >for a a long time, all you need is to let the deck run for a while so the >indention >of the belt being stuck in a position will be smoothed out. > >When dealing with a deck of unknown propertions of use and storage you >might want to >change both at the same time, especially if you happen to do the renovation >yourself, >but if you have to pay someone to do it you might want to keep cost to a >managable >minimum, espcially if you plan to sell it. > > >looks as new...it's possible, US model 117 mains voltage > >only...Why not...people want to pay...so...why NOT!!! > >There is nothing wrong with running a 110V device off a voltage converter >in a >country with another voltage. Typically I guess a tape deck will consume >less than 40 >Watt even with all the bells and whistles in effect. Heck a dbx 224 unit >will consume >7 Watt in operation. > >Also the high bidding price can be contributed by other factors, such as >- bidders having so much money that the price really is not an issue. >- the bidders are bidding against each other and neither weants to give in >easily. >- the bidders have no clue as to the typical market value of the items and >thinks >they are bidding on a once i na life time opportunity to own the item. >- the seller may give the bidders the confidence that this amount of money >is well >spent. >- the seller is bidding on his own item reither through an extra identity >or through >the help of a friend. > > >-Mikkel > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Wed Feb 22 11:01:39 2006 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:01:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] References: <2CE6069C-8F06-4FD3-903B-D677F5831040@alumni.caltech.edu> <43FB9098.2000102@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <011801c63796$f989af50$0201a8c0@TG> For those concerned several discussions and forums i came accross here (may be most of you already know it); http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/tape/bbs.html Also another approach to head-demagnetizing http://home.flash.net/~mrltapes/mcknight_demag.pdf Regards, Tayfur From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 12:11:44 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:11:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX idler In-Reply-To: <43FBE5F8.8080305@hot.ee> Message-ID: <20060222111144.36256.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes yes -YES except there is no tire like the ones in Sankyo but rubber part glued to the base brass wheel. kannan Andres Raba wrote: Hello, Does the 680ZX have the same supply-takeup idler tire as Dragon and ZX-7? In other words, are all the classic Nakamichi transports with the same big idler wheel and idler tire? Identical dimensions? Andres ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 14:21:41 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:21:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX idler In-Reply-To: <20060222111144.36256.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060222132141.86336.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Are you referring to the brass centred idler tire being in the classic mechanism? I replaced a idler wheel on my 1000ZXL, which shares the same transport as the 680ZX (classic mechanism). The idler tire is a while plastic disc with a deep groove in the middle. A rubber insert with a T cross-section is inserted into the groove around the disc. Only the top flat portion of the T is visible and comes into contact with the supply / take-up spools and brass spindle. They all should have the same idler wheel. While the transports are similiar, they all differ slightly. I have noticed differences in the transport between the 68X series, ZX: series and Dragon. This particular component, however is the same. Regards Bala 79 Labs kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Yes yes -YES except there is no tire like the ones in Sankyo but rubber part glued to the base brass wheel. kannan Andres Raba wrote: Hello, Does the 680ZX have the same supply-takeup idler tire as Dragon and ZX-7? In other words, are all the classic Nakamichi transports with the same big idler wheel and idler tire? Identical dimensions? Andres ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 14:31:28 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:31:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR-7A - recent ebay auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060222133128.4216.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, Mikkel and everyone else, I would say both Alex and Mikkel are right in this instance. I have seen machines which have been stored for long periods of time and have come out with different results. I have 5 680ZX, which have come to me ranging from perfect condition (right down to all rubber parts) down to a machines that sits and does nothing - even the meter display is out. The condition is a result of a mix of things. Climate, temperature, humidity, storage method (boxed, open et..) and so on. Suprisingly, non of my 5 units have had an orange cap problem. So I feel its really hard to tell. But when a unit comes out of long term storage, I feel it would be good to change all rubber parts. While the deck may seem to be running good, the less then optimum condition of the rubber parts would mean less then optimum performance. We won't know we are missing it until we hear it in its full glory. Regards Bala 79 Labs Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Mikkel! Thank you for your reply...however...when I received, in 2004 my Dragon as a gift from my best passed away widow friend, was boxed for 20 years...only when he acquired during 1984...we record one TDK SA-100 cassette, listen it..and he ask me to put the deck again in his box...as he was determinate NOT to use any tape recorder. Why I'm writing you this history, only to inform you...that ONLY...3 weeks ago the "Cam's belt"...slipper...I received from an a excellent friend & member of our forum an a originally replacement belt...sp, soon I will "Open"...my "Virgin" Dragon, to change the slipper belt for this new one received. Bottom line, what you wrote me in response to my mail...is NOT necessary true...concerning that was boxed so long...so the "Rubber" parts MUST be changed...it's something else there...that we...which did NOT saw the item will never known or gotten it on. Cheers, ALEX! ALEX! >From: Mikkel Breiler >Reply-To: mibm at tdcadsl.dk, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK CR-7A - recent ebay auction >Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:16:42 +0100 > >On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:29:09 +0000, "Alex Cozac" >wrote: > > >"One word...Phenomenal"...was most of the time boxed...(SO...WHY"...was > >needed to demagnetized, changed the pinch rollers > >They might have been damaged by the storage conditions. Once the rubber >goes sticky >you have no choice but to replace it. > > >...OK the belts were > >checked... > >Wether or not the belt will need replacing at the same time as the pinch >roller is >depending on the state of the rubber. The rollers and belts need not be >made out of >the exact same type of rubber or by the same company even. So as chaning a >belt >typically is more costly in techhours than a poller it is perhaps s othat >the belts >in that case were ok and did not need to be changed. Soem times even after >being idle >for a a long time, all you need is to let the deck run for a while so the >indention >of the belt being stuck in a position will be smoothed out. > >When dealing with a deck of unknown propertions of use and storage you >might want to >change both at the same time, especially if you happen to do the renovation >yourself, >but if you have to pay someone to do it you might want to keep cost to a >managable >minimum, espcially if you plan to sell it. > > >looks as new...it's possible, US model 117 mains voltage > >only...Why not...people want to pay...so...why NOT!!! > >There is nothing wrong with running a 110V device off a voltage converter >in a >country with another voltage. Typically I guess a tape deck will consume >less than 40 >Watt even with all the bells and whistles in effect. Heck a dbx 224 unit >will consume >7 Watt in operation. > >Also the high bidding price can be contributed by other factors, such as >- bidders having so much money that the price really is not an issue. >- the bidders are bidding against each other and neither weants to give in >easily. >- the bidders have no clue as to the typical market value of the items and >thinks >they are bidding on a once i na life time opportunity to own the item. >- the seller may give the bidders the confidence that this amount of money >is well >spent. >- the seller is bidding on his own item reither through an extra identity >or through >the help of a friend. > > >-Mikkel > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Only the top flat portion of the T is visible and comes into contact with the supply / take-up spools and brass spindle. They all should have the same idler wheel. While the transports are similiar, they all differ slightly. I have noticed differences in the transport between the 68X series, ZX: series and Dragon. This particular component, however is the same. Regards Bala 79 Labs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Thu Feb 23 00:01:34 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:01:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice References: <000601c6354c$c9c4c3a0$3699d255@homeduron1300><6.2.3.4.2.20060219072753.02f6aa78@pop.videotron.ca> <43F88648.2070301@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001901c63803$ede65370$43aad255@homeduron1300> So, side stepping the issue of whether I have a problem with one of my machines (which I will investigate), can I take it that the general advice on tape to tape recording is to play the tape being recorded with no N/R on, and record the new one with N/R? Possibly Dolby B rather than C? Any advances on that, or can I take it as generally seen as the best means of obtaining good results? At least if I use the perceived best method, I can rule technique out as a cause of any problems. Many thanks for your collective patience. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > I'll second that, and add to it the possibility > of Dolby level mismatch between the RX-505 and > the car player. > > Assuming all three decks are properly adjusted, > the correct procedure would be to PB without > Dolby into a Dolby B recording, then play the > recording in the car with Dolby engaged. > > -- Ron > > > Marc Denis wrote: >> My first impression is that there must be significant differences in >> azimuth between the deck on which your spoken words audio books were >> recorded, your car deck and your 505s. This causes losses in high >> frequency response when your tape migrates from one deck to another. >> Using Dolby typically makes these differences more audible. >> >> Regards, >> >> -Marc >> >> >> At 07:05 02/19/2006, you wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> I wonder if I might ask for some advice on tape to tape recording? >>> I have two RX505Es and have been recording tape to tape lately. >>> The originals are spoken word audio books, which I do not want to risk >>> in >>> the car. >>> I've been scratching my head for the best settings though. >>> If I play the originals with Dolby on, it sounds like it's coming from >>> the >>> bottom of a fish pond, so I leave it off. (I presume these proprietary >>> recordings were not made with Dolby - perhaps that's why it sounds >>> worse). >>> On the other hand, if I record the new tape with Dolby B or C I can't >>> get >>> the sound quality the same as the original. They sound muted somehow. >>> So I've been recording (and playing the original) with no Dolby and at >>> home >>> it sounds fine. However in the car there is quite a lot of hiss. >>> Can anyone suggest the best solution for sound quality and noise levels? >>> >>> Both 505s have been serviced by B&W within the last year, although I >>> will >>> admit one sounds 'brighter' in playback than the other. >>> I tend to play on the brighter one and record with the other. >>> >>> Recordings from CD are fine and I use Dolby B or C, but I feel with the >>> added noise from the source tape the problems are magnified and I >>> certainly >>> can't pretend to anyone listening that it is CD quality - well, not in >>> the >>> car anyway. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 23 00:44:56 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:44:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <001901c63803$ede65370$43aad255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <001c01c63809$fc2852c0$65a887d9@oemcomputer> No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back on one of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby B. Replay in the car without Dolby. Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of David Edwards > Sent: 22 February 2006 23:02 > To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > So, side stepping the issue of whether I have a problem with one of my > machines (which I will investigate), can I take it that the > general advice > on tape to tape recording is to play the tape being recorded with > no N/R on, > and record the new one with N/R? Possibly Dolby B rather than C? > > Any advances on that, or can I take it as generally seen as the > best means > of obtaining good results? > > At least if I use the perceived best method, I can rule technique > out as a > cause of any problems. > > Many thanks for your collective patience. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > > > > I'll second that, and add to it the possibility > > of Dolby level mismatch between the RX-505 and > > the car player. > > > > Assuming all three decks are properly adjusted, > > the correct procedure would be to PB without > > Dolby into a Dolby B recording, then play the > > recording in the car with Dolby engaged. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Marc Denis wrote: > >> My first impression is that there must be significant differences in > >> azimuth between the deck on which your spoken words audio books were > >> recorded, your car deck and your 505s. This causes losses in high > >> frequency response when your tape migrates from one deck to another. > >> Using Dolby typically makes these differences more audible. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> -Marc > >> > >> > >> At 07:05 02/19/2006, you wrote: > >>> Hi folks, > >>> I wonder if I might ask for some advice on tape to tape recording? > >>> I have two RX505Es and have been recording tape to tape lately. > >>> The originals are spoken word audio books, which I do not > want to risk > >>> in > >>> the car. > >>> I've been scratching my head for the best settings though. > >>> If I play the originals with Dolby on, it sounds like it's > coming from > >>> the > >>> bottom of a fish pond, so I leave it off. (I presume these proprietary > >>> recordings were not made with Dolby - perhaps that's why it sounds > >>> worse). > >>> On the other hand, if I record the new tape with Dolby B or C I can't > >>> get > >>> the sound quality the same as the original. They sound muted somehow. > >>> So I've been recording (and playing the original) with no > Dolby and at > >>> home > >>> it sounds fine. However in the car there is quite a lot of hiss. > >>> Can anyone suggest the best solution for sound quality and > noise levels? > >>> > >>> Both 505s have been serviced by B&W within the last year, although I > >>> will > >>> admit one sounds 'brighter' in playback than the other. > >>> I tend to play on the brighter one and record with the other. > >>> > >>> Recordings from CD are fine and I use Dolby B or C, but I > feel with the > >>> added noise from the source tape the problems are magnified and I > >>> certainly > >>> can't pretend to anyone listening that it is CD quality - > well, not in > >>> the > >>> car anyway. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rjkent at comcast.net Thu Feb 23 03:21:49 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:21:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Tape Duplication Message-ID: <000a01c6381f$e7268200$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> My two cents: All of the following assumes properly calibrated and aligned equipment, and original tapes that were recorded on properly calibrated and aligned equipment. If this is not the case, all bets are off, and your ears will have to tell you what works best. If the original tape was recorded with Dolby, it should be played back with the same Dolby setting whether for listening, A/D-ing it into your computer, or for analog dubbing to another tape. If you do not use Dolby for the playback, you will be delivering a signal equalization that is over-emphasized for frequencies above 1000Hz, and that still includes the tape hiss that was introduced during the original recording process, and that Dolby was designed to help eliminate during playback. During playback with Dolby, the tape noise/hiss is de-emphasized along with the higher signal frequencies, but since the noise/hiss was selectively not emphasized during recording, its level is reduced by about 10db in Dolby B and 20db in Dolby C during playback. Some believe that if the original tape was recorded with Dolby, that the duplicate tape should be recorded without Dolby, essentially passing the Dolby pre-emphasis straight through to the duplicate tape. This is true, but it ignores the fact that the originally recorded tape noise/hiss is still on the tape, and now you are adding another layer of tape hiss on top of that when you do the duplicate recording. In my opinion, it is better to remove the original hiss/noise during the first playback, so the noise/hiss signal is minimized on the duplicate tape. For the duplicate recording deck, you can use whatever Dolby setting you personally like....B, C, S (not with Naks of course), or none. You will at least be recording from as close to the original source material as possible, and from as quiet a signal as possible. Robert Kent Take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_noise_reduction_system And here for simple explanations: http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/dolbyexplain87.html http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/audio/tape5.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 23 07:30:15 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:30:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: <011801c63796$f989af50$0201a8c0@TG> References: <2CE6069C-8F06-4FD3-903B-D677F5831040@alumni.caltech.edu> <43FB9098.2000102@xs4all.nl> <011801c63796$f989af50$0201a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <43FD5677.2080608@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Taylor, Tayfur Gunay wrote: > Also another approach to head-demagnetizing > http://home.flash.net/~mrltapes/mcknight_demag.pdf Interesting itellectual exercise and fascinating information, but not terribly useful for everyday tape ops. A simple rule to follow -- put the demag'er behind your back, take a step back, and turn it off. You should be far enough away. 3 to 44 feet, or about 1 meter, is the official distance for as long as I can remember, so I'm unsure why the author states that this issue is subject to confusion. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 23 07:31:03 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:31:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <001c01c63809$fc2852c0$65a887d9@oemcomputer> References: <001c01c63809$fc2852c0$65a887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43FD56A7.3060809@woods-and-waters.com> Sorry, Gra', I have to agree with you. Spot on! Nelson wrote: > No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back on one > of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby B. > Replay in the car without Dolby. > > Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! > > Gra' -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 23 07:37:36 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:37:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone with a useful mike for sale < UK side > and query about powered and non powered mikes. In-Reply-To: <43ED5F96.9030101@snet.net> References: <43ED5F96.9030101@snet.net> Message-ID: <43FD5830.3060707@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Ed, Perfect advice! You beat me to it! I'd agree also on the cheapie condensor mics. They're horrible. Anything in the AKG D200E family (D202E, D2222E, and D224E) or D190E family (D125E, D1000E, D1200E)) are great all-aroundchoices for his application. Because he's in the UK, I'd also recommend the Reslo RB series ribbon mics (RBH, RBT, RBL or the Reslo Celeste), especially for the Indian harmonium. The one time I recorded a harmonium I used my Reslo RBH and the result was spine-tingling. Edward Noyes wrote: > I would look on ebay for a couple of old AKG D200E mics. They come up > for sale often and are not that well known now so they sell for maybe > $40 US per mic at most. I am not alone in considering them as a dynamic > mic that thinks it's a good condenser. The ultra cheap condensers are > not really worthy of serious consideration. Some try to pretend pretty > well, and offer a lot of "bang for the buck," but that still doesn't > make them good mics. The D200 is a good mic... just ask Kermit, he's the > reason I own two pairs. BTW, D190 is also a good mic, but I still like > D200 better. > > Cheers, Ed > > > earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > >> hello again rekorders >> >> Does anyone have a useful sweet mike going surplus. I'm looking for a >> mike and eBay on dial up is tiring me out and one doesnt know if the >> mike is shot or not. >> >> I will use it at home to record either my voice or the Indian >> harmonium. I only use 2 mikes and my efforts are purely amateur. > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 23 07:47:25 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:47:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] I'm back. Why does my tape sound so bad........ long & possible digression alert: In-Reply-To: References: <200602060435.k164ZqQk006552@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <43FD5A7D.3050600@woods-and-waters.com> Yo, Ian, Why do pre-recorded cassettes sound so bad? Imagine this: most cassettes are high-speed duplicated at 15-ips onto recorders having a frequency response of 50 to 10,000 cps and a s/n ratio of -40 dB. It's all about the money - the more tapes you slam out the more money you make. 15 ips dupes take 45 to 90 seconds, realtime dupes take an hour or longer. earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > 'We are all still here, no one has gone away' > > I wonder if its the product of a misalignment at the repro facility. > Any ideas ...... is a remedy (not including buying the CD to any wags > out there) Nope. Dupers are fanatic over tape alignment. Simple fact: the recorders stink. Remedy: realtime duplication using only highest-quality tape decks. Barclay-Crocker once did this. > If there is a nak gathering how about the Cabbage award > for the sonically worst commercially released cassette of the last > century? I could post the aforementioned specimens in and the rest of us > could hear how a Dragon deals with such challenging items as the worst > prerecorded cassette on the planet. FAB idea! We'll do it! Speaking of a Nak convention I'm nbusily weorkiong toward that objective and will have progress updates in a few days. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Feb 23 10:00:24 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:00:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <001c01c63809$fc2852c0$65a887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000b01c63857$96884120$7300a8c0@Shaun> David, If a recording is made without dolby then that is how it should be played or dubbed to a second machine. The machine that is doing the recording should be set with dolby on, as it would with any other source material, be it off tape, off air or record. That will then preserve the sound of the original recording and minimise tape hiss on the dubbed tape. This is the recommended method by any recording experts that I know of. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 22 February 2006 23:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back on one of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby B. Replay in the car without Dolby. Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of David Edwards > Sent: 22 February 2006 23:02 > To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > So, side stepping the issue of whether I have a problem with one of my > machines (which I will investigate), can I take it that the general > advice on tape to tape recording is to play the tape being recorded > with no N/R on, > and record the new one with N/R? Possibly Dolby B rather than C? > > Any advances on that, or can I take it as generally seen as the best > means of obtaining good results? > > At least if I use the perceived best method, I can rule technique out > as a cause of any problems. > > Many thanks for your collective patience. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > > > > I'll second that, and add to it the possibility > > of Dolby level mismatch between the RX-505 and > > the car player. > > > > Assuming all three decks are properly adjusted, > > the correct procedure would be to PB without > > Dolby into a Dolby B recording, then play the > > recording in the car with Dolby engaged. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Marc Denis wrote: > >> My first impression is that there must be significant differences > >> in azimuth between the deck on which your spoken words audio books > >> were recorded, your car deck and your 505s. This causes losses in > >> high frequency response when your tape migrates from one deck to > >> another. Using Dolby typically makes these differences more > >> audible. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> -Marc > >> > >> > >> At 07:05 02/19/2006, you wrote: > >>> Hi folks, > >>> I wonder if I might ask for some advice on tape to tape recording? > >>> I have two RX505Es and have been recording tape to tape lately. > >>> The originals are spoken word audio books, which I do not > want to risk > >>> in > >>> the car. > >>> I've been scratching my head for the best settings though. If I > >>> play the originals with Dolby on, it sounds like it's > coming from > >>> the > >>> bottom of a fish pond, so I leave it off. (I presume these > >>> proprietary recordings were not made with Dolby - perhaps that's > >>> why it sounds worse). On the other hand, if I record the new tape > >>> with Dolby B or C I can't get > >>> the sound quality the same as the original. They sound muted somehow. > >>> So I've been recording (and playing the original) with no > Dolby and at > >>> home > >>> it sounds fine. However in the car there is quite a lot of hiss. > >>> Can anyone suggest the best solution for sound quality and > noise levels? > >>> > >>> Both 505s have been serviced by B&W within the last year, although > >>> I will admit one sounds 'brighter' in playback than the other. > >>> I tend to play on the brighter one and record with the other. > >>> > >>> Recordings from CD are fine and I use Dolby B or C, but I > feel with the > >>> added noise from the source tape the problems are magnified and I > >>> certainly can't pretend to anyone listening that it is CD quality > >>> - > well, not in > >>> the > >>> car anyway. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1416 (20060222) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From rob at rhoag.com Thu Feb 23 16:13:11 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:13:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <43FD56A7.3060809@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Why would you record it with out Dolby B? The whole point is to get rid of noise DURING the recording process... it has nothing to do with the source, be it CD, record, a cassette with Dolby B or C. Garbage in out type situation... the 2nd recording is only going to be as good as the source material, so if you are recording a Dolby B commercial tape that has some noise and distortion, recording it with Dolby B again is probably going to be the best route, as Dolby C would not be as big an advantage with the lower quality signal you are recording. If you record it with Dolby OFF, just like any other time you do this, you will have the noise introduced by the deck and not have the advantage of getting rid of the tape hiss on playback. It still is going to be a copy and have loses, and more noise though, which ever route you go. One other point... back in the 80's I did a lot of experiments with this and I found that 2nd dupe copies like this just aren't worth the effort in sound quality, especially from most commercial tapes, even with the so called premium grade recorded cassettes, or even trying to make copies of my own cassettes that were recorded on TDKSA, etc. from CDs or records; using my Nak ZX7, the second recordings always sounded worse then the originals. I tried recording with Dolby off on the play deck and record deck, then turning it on in final play back, I tried it with the no Dolby during record, then with Dolby during playback, etc... best result I found was to use the Dolby setting the original was recorded with and tape it with Dolby B and play it back with Dolby B. Try it yourselves... IMHO Doane --------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:31 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice Sorry, Gra', I have to agree with you. Spot on! Nelson wrote: > No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back on one > of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby B. > Replay in the car without Dolby. > > Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! > > Gra' -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 23 17:32:38 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:32:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <43FD56A7.3060809@woods-and-waters.com> References: <001c01c63809$fc2852c0$65a887d9@oemcomputer> <43FD56A7.3060809@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43FDE3A6.4050604@rcn.com> Well, to each his own, I guess, but I disagree... The tape should be played back with whatever NR scheme it was originally recorded with (for most prerecorded tapes, that's either no Dolby or Dolby B). This assumes good Dolby level and azimuth tracking between tape and PB machine. The record side depends on personal preference. Mine is Dolby B, so I know *all* my tapes should be played back with Dolby B. Also, I like the lower noise level. YMMV. -- Ron Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Sorry, Gra', I have to agree with you. Spot on! > > > Nelson wrote: >> No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back on >> one >> of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby B. >> Replay in the car without Dolby. >> >> Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! >> >> Gra' > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 23 17:38:52 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:38:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I'm back. Why does my tape sound so bad........ long & possible digression alert: In-Reply-To: <43FD5A7D.3050600@woods-and-waters.com> References: <200602060435.k164ZqQk006552@zxe.naks.com> <43FD5A7D.3050600@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43FDE51C.8060509@rcn.com> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Yo, Ian, > > Why do pre-recorded cassettes sound so bad? Imagine this: most cassettes > are high-speed duplicated at 15-ips onto recorders having a frequency > response of 50 to 10,000 cps and a s/n ratio of -40 dB. You forgot to mention, the cheapest possible tape. > It's all about > the money - the more tapes you slam out the more money you make. 15 ips > dupes take 45 to 90 seconds, realtime dupes take an hour or longer. I agree with your statement ("It's all about the money"), but question your math. 15 ips is x8 original speed. If a real time recording is 1 hour or longer, the high speed dup is 7.5 minutes or longer... -- Ron > > earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: >> 'We are all still here, no one has gone away' >> > > >> I wonder if its the product of a misalignment at the repro facility. >> Any ideas ...... is a remedy (not including buying the CD to any wags >> out there) > > > Nope. Dupers are fanatic over tape alignment. Simple fact: the recorders > stink. > > Remedy: realtime duplication using only highest-quality tape decks. > Barclay-Crocker once did this. > >> If there is a nak gathering how about the Cabbage award for the >> sonically worst commercially released cassette of the last century? I >> could post the aforementioned specimens in and the rest of us could >> hear how a Dragon deals with such challenging items as the worst >> prerecorded cassette on the planet. > > FAB idea! We'll do it! > > Speaking of a Nak convention I'm nbusily weorkiong toward that objective > and will have progress updates in a few days. > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 23 18:08:13 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:08:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43FDEBFD.2070409@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Why would you record it with out Dolby B? Normally you would use Dolby on the dupe, but in this instance for MOST car stereos, recording Dolby OFF is best. Car stereo Dolbys are often horrible, with exceptions, and you're in a high noise environment, with exceptions, so the sound FOR THE SPECIFIC use is best without Dolby. But if you're making tapes for a car that rides quiet and has an excellent cassette player (Nakamichi 250 or 350 comes to mind) then use the Dolby NR. My response was to Graham's response, which in turn was to a specific situation, not an overall generalization. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:31 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > Sorry, Gra', I have to agree with you. Spot on! > > > Nelson wrote: > >>No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back on one >>of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby B. >>Replay in the car without Dolby. >> >>Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! >> >>Gra' -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Feb 23 18:14:25 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:14:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <000b01c63857$96884120$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <000b01c63857$96884120$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <43FDED71.5070302@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > David, > > If a recording is made without dolby then that is how it should be played or > dubbed to a second machine. The machine that is doing the recording should > be set with dolby on, as it would with any other source material, be it off > tape, off air or record. That will then preserve the sound of the original > recording and minimise tape hiss on the dubbed tape. > > This is the recommended method by any recording experts that I know of. Unless the copy is deemed likely to be played onto a recorder having no Dolby or a poor implementation of Dolby noise reduction. Then you make the copy without Dolby. That's why, at one time, most spoken word cassettes were recorded without Dolby and many still are - because the cassette may be played on anything from a cheapie $10.00 portable mono player to a Gold Nakamichi Dragon (and as a recordist you cannot predict which). High speed duplicators began using Dolby on music cassettes because it gave the tape a higher quality image. Unfortunately, the quality of the Dolby encode was usually so awful that many listeners discovered that the tape sounded better with the Dolby OFF and the TREBLE tone control turned down slightly. > Shaun > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Nelson > Sent: 22 February 2006 23:45 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back on one > of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby B. Replay > in the car without Dolby. > > Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! > > Gra' > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of David Edwards >>Sent: 22 February 2006 23:02 >>To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >> >> >>So, side stepping the issue of whether I have a problem with one of my >>machines (which I will investigate), can I take it that the general >>advice on tape to tape recording is to play the tape being recorded >>with no N/R on, >>and record the new one with N/R? Possibly Dolby B rather than C? >> >>Any advances on that, or can I take it as generally seen as the best >>means of obtaining good results? >> >>At least if I use the perceived best method, I can rule technique out >>as a cause of any problems. >> >>Many thanks for your collective patience. >> >>David >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ron" >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:52 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >> >> >> >>>I'll second that, and add to it the possibility >>>of Dolby level mismatch between the RX-505 and >>>the car player. >>> >>>Assuming all three decks are properly adjusted, >>>the correct procedure would be to PB without >>>Dolby into a Dolby B recording, then play the >>>recording in the car with Dolby engaged. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>>Marc Denis wrote: >>> >>>>My first impression is that there must be significant differences >>>>in azimuth between the deck on which your spoken words audio books >>>>were recorded, your car deck and your 505s. This causes losses in >>>>high frequency response when your tape migrates from one deck to >>>>another. Using Dolby typically makes these differences more >>>>audible. >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>>-Marc >>>> >>>> >>>>At 07:05 02/19/2006, you wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi folks, >>>>>I wonder if I might ask for some advice on tape to tape recording? >>>>>I have two RX505Es and have been recording tape to tape lately. >>>>>The originals are spoken word audio books, which I do not >> >>want to risk >> >>>>>in >>>>>the car. >>>>>I've been scratching my head for the best settings though. If I >>>>>play the originals with Dolby on, it sounds like it's >> >>coming from >> >>>>>the >>>>>bottom of a fish pond, so I leave it off. (I presume these >>>>>proprietary recordings were not made with Dolby - perhaps that's >>>>>why it sounds worse). On the other hand, if I record the new tape >>>>>with Dolby B or C I can't get >>>>>the sound quality the same as the original. They sound muted somehow. >>>>>So I've been recording (and playing the original) with no >> >>Dolby and at >> >>>>>home >>>>>it sounds fine. However in the car there is quite a lot of hiss. >>>>>Can anyone suggest the best solution for sound quality and >> >>noise levels? >> >>>>>Both 505s have been serviced by B&W within the last year, although >>>>>I will admit one sounds 'brighter' in playback than the other. >>>>>I tend to play on the brighter one and record with the other. >>>>> >>>>>Recordings from CD are fine and I use Dolby B or C, but I >> >>feel with the >> >>>>>added noise from the source tape the problems are magnified and I >>>>>certainly can't pretend to anyone listening that it is CD quality >>>>>- >> >>well, not in >> >>>>>the >>>>>car anyway. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>> >>>>>David >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>==== >> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>==== >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>>account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------= >>======== >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________ NOD32 1.1416 (20060222) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Thu Feb 23 18:49:50 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:49:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <43FDEBFD.2070409@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Good points, Alex. I've always had pretty decent car stereos though, not as exotic as your mentioned Nak car decks, but at least good enough that they sounded better with Dolby then without it, in my opinion. On the other hand, if you have a car stereo with NO Dolby, then it would definitely sound better to record it with out Dolby, but still, recording from another tape, especially a commercial cassette, just doesn't sound that good to begin with, that was my main point. :~) Doane ----------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:08 AM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Why would you record it with out Dolby B? Normally you would use Dolby on the dupe, but in this instance for MOST car stereos, recording Dolby OFF is best. Car stereo Dolbys are often horrible, with exceptions, and you're in a high noise environment, with exceptions, so the sound FOR THE SPECIFIC use is best without Dolby. But if you're making tapes for a car that rides quiet and has an excellent cassette player (Nakamichi 250 or 350 comes to mind) then use the Dolby NR. My response was to Graham's response, which in turn was to a specific situation, not an overall generalization. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:31 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > Sorry, Gra', I have to agree with you. Spot on! > > > Nelson wrote: > >>No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back on one >>of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby B. >>Replay in the car without Dolby. >> >>Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! >> >>Gra' -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Feb 23 20:30:58 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:30:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I'm back. Why does my tape sound so bad........ long & possible digression alert: In-Reply-To: <43FD5A7D.3050600@woods-and-waters.com> References: <200602060435.k164ZqQk006552@zxe.naks.com> <43FD5A7D.3050600@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060223142934.01c41410@psulias.psu.edu> I've got some German tape of the Yardbirds that is absolutely atrocious. I'll try to get some details. I have stuff taped off my Craig all in one kiddie stereo onto generic $.25 tapes that sound better. >>If there is a nak gathering how about the Cabbage award for the sonically >>worst commercially released cassette of the last century? I could post >>the aforementioned specimens in and the rest of us could hear how a >>Dragon deals with such challenging items as the worst prerecorded >>cassette on the planet. > >FAB idea! We'll do it! > >Speaking of a Nak convention I'm nbusily weorkiong toward that objective >and will have progress updates in a few days. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Feb 23 21:23:04 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:23:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <43FD56A7.3060809@woods-and-waters.com> References: <001c01c63809$fc2852c0$65a887d9@oemcomputer> <43FD56A7.3060809@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43FE19A8.7030304@yahoo.ca> I suppose he wants to copy it to play on a machine with no Dolby decoding? Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Sorry, Gra', I have to agree with you. Spot on! > > Nelson wrote: >> No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back >> on one >> of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby B. >> Replay in the car without Dolby. >> >> Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! >> >> Gra' > > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Feb 23 21:33:32 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:33:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <000b01c63857$96884120$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <000b01c63857$96884120$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <43FE1C1C.8030500@yahoo.ca> Shaun Montgomery a écrit : > If a recording is made without dolby then that is how it should be played or > dubbed to a second machine. Yup, > The machine that is doing the recording should be set with dolby on, as it would with any other source material, be it off > tape, off air or record. That will then preserve the sound of the original > recording and minimise tape hiss on the dubbed tape. > Even if source was w/o Dolby? > This is the recommended method by any recording experts that I know of. > What about recording made off a Dolby tape? I think you should let Dolby off on both machines as it's not necessary to "decode" -> "reencode" Dolby material. And what about changing Dolby mode or putting no at all on the tape to be recorded? Play with appropriate Dolby mode and rec with wanted mode. > Shaun > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Nelson > Sent: 22 February 2006 23:45 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back on one > of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby B. Replay > in the car without Dolby. > > Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! > > Gra' > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of David Edwards >> Sent: 22 February 2006 23:02 >> To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >> >> >> So, side stepping the issue of whether I have a problem with one of my >> machines (which I will investigate), can I take it that the general >> advice on tape to tape recording is to play the tape being recorded >> with no N/R on, >> and record the new one with N/R? Possibly Dolby B rather than C? >> >> Any advances on that, or can I take it as generally seen as the best >> means of obtaining good results? >> >> At least if I use the perceived best method, I can rule technique out >> as a cause of any problems. >> >> Many thanks for your collective patience. >> >> David >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >> >> >> >>> I'll second that, and add to it the possibility >>> of Dolby level mismatch between the RX-505 and >>> the car player. >>> >>> Assuming all three decks are properly adjusted, >>> the correct procedure would be to PB without >>> Dolby into a Dolby B recording, then play the >>> recording in the car with Dolby engaged. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> Marc Denis wrote: >>> >>>> My first impression is that there must be significant differences >>>> in azimuth between the deck on which your spoken words audio books >>>> were recorded, your car deck and your 505s. This causes losses in >>>> high frequency response when your tape migrates from one deck to >>>> another. Using Dolby typically makes these differences more >>>> audible. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> -Marc >>>> >>>> >>>> At 07:05 02/19/2006, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi folks, >>>>> I wonder if I might ask for some advice on tape to tape recording? >>>>> I have two RX505Es and have been recording tape to tape lately. >>>>> The originals are spoken word audio books, which I do not >>>>> >> want to risk >> >>>>> in >>>>> the car. >>>>> I've been scratching my head for the best settings though. If I >>>>> play the originals with Dolby on, it sounds like it's >>>>> >> coming from >> >>>>> the >>>>> bottom of a fish pond, so I leave it off. (I presume these >>>>> proprietary recordings were not made with Dolby - perhaps that's >>>>> why it sounds worse). On the other hand, if I record the new tape >>>>> with Dolby B or C I can't get >>>>> the sound quality the same as the original. They sound muted somehow. >>>>> So I've been recording (and playing the original) with no >>>>> >> Dolby and at >> >>>>> home >>>>> it sounds fine. However in the car there is quite a lot of hiss. >>>>> Can anyone suggest the best solution for sound quality and >>>>> >> noise levels? >> >>>>> Both 505s have been serviced by B&W within the last year, although >>>>> I will admit one sounds 'brighter' in playback than the other. >>>>> I tend to play on the brighter one and record with the other. >>>>> >>>>> Recordings from CD are fine and I use Dolby B or C, but I >>>>> >> feel with the >> >>>>> added noise from the source tape the problems are magnified and I >>>>> certainly can't pretend to anyone listening that it is CD quality >>>>> - >>>>> >> well, not in >> >>>>> the >>>>> car anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> David > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Feb 23 21:43:05 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:43:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <43FDE3A6.4050604@rcn.com> References: <001c01c63809$fc2852c0$65a887d9@oemcomputer> <43FD56A7.3060809@woods-and-waters.com> <43FDE3A6.4050604@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43FE1E59.7020702@yahoo.ca> Ron a écrit : > Well, to each his own, I guess, but I disagree... > > The tape should be played back with whatever NR > scheme it was originally recorded with (for most > prerecorded tapes, that's either no Dolby or > Dolby B). This assumes good Dolby level and > azimuth tracking between tape and PB machine. > > The record side depends on personal preference. > Mine is Dolby B, so I know *all* my tapes should > be played back with Dolby B. Also, I like the > lower noise level. YMMV. Lower noise... That's the only good point with Dolby, because so much details in the music are lost... I prefer no Dolby at all, or even to listen to B recordings without Dolby and reduce treble. And if you record from Dolby B to Dolby B, shouldn't you just let Dolby off on both machines, it will be recorded in Dolby B by itself on the tape you record and it will pass thru a lot less of processing. > -- Ron > > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> Sorry, Gra', I have to agree with you. Spot on! >> >> >> Nelson wrote: >>> No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back >>> on one >>> of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby B. >>> Replay in the car without Dolby. >>> >>> Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! >>> >>> Gra' From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Feb 23 21:54:45 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:54:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <43FDED71.5070302@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000601c638bb$61ae4ad0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Hi Gra', Even if the copy is deemed likely to be played onto a recorder having no Dolby then it should still be recorded with Dolby as the effect of turning down the treble will reduce some of the hiss and not kill the treble as much as a recording made without dolby. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 23 February 2006 17:14 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > David, > > If a recording is made without dolby then that is how it should be > played or dubbed to a second machine. The machine that is doing the > recording should be set with dolby on, as it would with any other > source material, be it off tape, off air or record. That will then > preserve the sound of the original recording and minimise tape hiss on > the dubbed tape. > > This is the recommended method by any recording experts that I know > of. Unless the copy is deemed likely to be played onto a recorder having no Dolby or a poor implementation of Dolby noise reduction. Then you make the copy without Dolby. That's why, at one time, most spoken word cassettes were recorded without Dolby and many still are - because the cassette may be played on anything from a cheapie $10.00 portable mono player to a Gold Nakamichi Dragon (and as a recordist you cannot predict which). High speed duplicators began using Dolby on music cassettes because it gave the tape a higher quality image. Unfortunately, the quality of the Dolby encode was usually so awful that many listeners discovered that the tape sounded better with the Dolby OFF and the TREBLE tone control turned down slightly. > Shaun > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Nelson > Sent: 22 February 2006 23:45 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back on > one of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby > B. Replay in the car without Dolby. > > Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! > > Gra' > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of David Edwards >>Sent: 22 February 2006 23:02 >>To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >> >> >>So, side stepping the issue of whether I have a problem with one of my >>machines (which I will investigate), can I take it that the general >>advice on tape to tape recording is to play the tape being recorded >>with no N/R on, >>and record the new one with N/R? Possibly Dolby B rather than C? >> >>Any advances on that, or can I take it as generally seen as the best >>means of obtaining good results? >> >>At least if I use the perceived best method, I can rule technique out >>as a cause of any problems. >> >>Many thanks for your collective patience. >> >>David >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ron" >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:52 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >> >> >> >>>I'll second that, and add to it the possibility >>>of Dolby level mismatch between the RX-505 and >>>the car player. >>> >>>Assuming all three decks are properly adjusted, >>>the correct procedure would be to PB without >>>Dolby into a Dolby B recording, then play the >>>recording in the car with Dolby engaged. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>>Marc Denis wrote: >>> >>>>My first impression is that there must be significant differences >>>>in azimuth between the deck on which your spoken words audio books >>>>were recorded, your car deck and your 505s. This causes losses in >>>>high frequency response when your tape migrates from one deck to >>>>another. Using Dolby typically makes these differences more >>>>audible. >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>>-Marc >>>> >>>> >>>>At 07:05 02/19/2006, you wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi folks, >>>>>I wonder if I might ask for some advice on tape to tape recording? >>>>>I have two RX505Es and have been recording tape to tape lately. >>>>>The originals are spoken word audio books, which I do not >> >>want to risk >> >>>>>in >>>>>the car. >>>>>I've been scratching my head for the best settings though. If I >>>>>play the originals with Dolby on, it sounds like it's >> >>coming from >> >>>>>the >>>>>bottom of a fish pond, so I leave it off. (I presume these >>>>>proprietary recordings were not made with Dolby - perhaps that's >>>>>why it sounds worse). On the other hand, if I record the new tape >>>>>with Dolby B or C I can't get >>>>>the sound quality the same as the original. They sound muted somehow. >>>>>So I've been recording (and playing the original) with no >> >>Dolby and at >> >>>>>home >>>>>it sounds fine. However in the car there is quite a lot of hiss. >>>>>Can anyone suggest the best solution for sound quality and >> >>noise levels? >> >>>>>Both 505s have been serviced by B&W within the last year, although >>>>>I will admit one sounds 'brighter' in playback than the other. >>>>>I tend to play on the brighter one and record with the other. >>>>> >>>>>Recordings from CD are fine and I use Dolby B or C, but I >> >>feel with the >> >>>>>added noise from the source tape the problems are magnified and I >>>>>certainly can't pretend to anyone listening that it is CD quality >>>>>- >> >>well, not in >> >>>>>the >>>>>car anyway. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>> >>>>>David >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>==== >> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>==== >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>>account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------= >>======== >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________ NOD32 1.1416 (20060222) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1416 (20060222) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From znyuzo at freemail.hu Thu Feb 23 22:02:29 2006 From: znyuzo at freemail.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ny=FAz=F3_Zsolt_=28Freemail=29?=) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:02:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems Message-ID: <004101c638bc$74e50110$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Dear Naktalk friends, I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my Dragon, and how to solve it. There are several problems I have experienced: - During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, - At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound quality as well as the level shown on the display drops dramatically - Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, - The clicking noises are also produced during recording Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big investment in my scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. Any idea, hint is appreciated ! Thanks in advance ! Zsolt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Feb 23 22:25:34 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:25:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <43FE1C1C.8030500@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <000701c638bf$affc3bd0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Shaun Montgomery a écrit : > If a recording is made without dolby then that is how it should be > played or dubbed to a second machine. Yup, > The machine that is doing the recording should be set with dolby on, > as it would with any other source material, be it off tape, off air or > record. That will then preserve the sound of the original recording > and minimise tape hiss on the dubbed tape. > Even if source was w/o Dolby? Yes, otherwise the "copy" will introduce further tape hiss if dolby is not used. This recording method will reproduce the same sound as the original (well, within the limits of the recorder's abilities). > This is the recommended method by any recording experts that I know > of. > >..What about recording made off a Dolby tape? >..I think you should let Dolby off on both machines as it's not necessary >..to "decode" -> "reencode" Dolby material. Nope, Dolby recordings should be dubbed with both machines using their dolby circuits, otherwise you will give the second recorded tape two lots of tape hiss to deal with. >./And what about changing Dolby mode or putting no at all on the tape to >..be recorded? Same rule applies. Play original tape with Dolby on/off according to how it was made and then record how you prefer onto the second tape Shaun >.Play with appropriate Dolby mode and rec with wanted mode. > Shaun > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Nelson > Sent: 22 February 2006 23:45 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back on > one of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby > B. Replay in the car without Dolby. > > Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! > > Gra' > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of David Edwards >> Sent: 22 February 2006 23:02 >> To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >> >> >> So, side stepping the issue of whether I have a problem with one of >> my >> machines (which I will investigate), can I take it that the general >> advice on tape to tape recording is to play the tape being recorded >> with no N/R on, >> and record the new one with N/R? Possibly Dolby B rather than C? >> >> Any advances on that, or can I take it as generally seen as the best >> means of obtaining good results? >> >> At least if I use the perceived best method, I can rule technique out >> as a cause of any problems. >> >> Many thanks for your collective patience. >> >> David >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >> >> >> >>> I'll second that, and add to it the possibility >>> of Dolby level mismatch between the RX-505 and >>> the car player. >>> >>> Assuming all three decks are properly adjusted, >>> the correct procedure would be to PB without >>> Dolby into a Dolby B recording, then play the >>> recording in the car with Dolby engaged. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> Marc Denis wrote: >>> >>>> My first impression is that there must be significant differences >>>> in azimuth between the deck on which your spoken words audio books >>>> were recorded, your car deck and your 505s. This causes losses in >>>> high frequency response when your tape migrates from one deck to >>>> another. Using Dolby typically makes these differences more >>>> audible. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> -Marc >>>> >>>> >>>> At 07:05 02/19/2006, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi folks, >>>>> I wonder if I might ask for some advice on tape to tape recording? >>>>> I have two RX505Es and have been recording tape to tape lately. >>>>> The originals are spoken word audio books, which I do not >>>>> >> want to risk >> >>>>> in >>>>> the car. >>>>> I've been scratching my head for the best settings though. If I >>>>> play the originals with Dolby on, it sounds like it's >>>>> >> coming from >> >>>>> the >>>>> bottom of a fish pond, so I leave it off. (I presume these >>>>> proprietary recordings were not made with Dolby - perhaps that's >>>>> why it sounds worse). On the other hand, if I record the new tape >>>>> with Dolby B or C I can't get >>>>> the sound quality the same as the original. They sound muted somehow. >>>>> So I've been recording (and playing the original) with no >>>>> >> Dolby and at >> >>>>> home >>>>> it sounds fine. However in the car there is quite a lot of hiss. >>>>> Can anyone suggest the best solution for sound quality and >>>>> >> noise levels? >> >>>>> Both 505s have been serviced by B&W within the last year, although >>>>> I will admit one sounds 'brighter' in playback than the other. >>>>> I tend to play on the brighter one and record with the other. >>>>> >>>>> Recordings from CD are fine and I use Dolby B or C, but I >>>>> >> feel with the >> >>>>> added noise from the source tape the problems are magnified and I >>>>> certainly can't pretend to anyone listening that it is CD quality >>>>> - >>>>> >> well, not in >> >>>>> the >>>>> car anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1416 (20060222) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Thu Feb 23 23:33:08 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:33:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still Message-ID: <003c01c638c9$1ff241b0$f199d255@homeduron1300> Thank you so much everyone for the very comprehensive answers. I will endeavour to put your valued advice into action. Two questions though: 1. I suppose I can assume that my car deck - a Blaupunkt OSLO has no Dolby ability as there are no buttons associated with it. Is it a safe assumption to think that a deck would say so, if it was using Dolby? Does every deck with Dolby facilities include a switch to turn it off? 2. How can I tell if my original BBC spoken voice tapes used Dolby in their production? Do tapes made with it have it written on the cassette shell? Many thanks again, David From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Feb 24 00:59:28 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:59:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation Message-ID: <67045BF2-066D-4245-874D-AAD7E4ACEE23@alumni.caltech.edu> OK, you can call me humour impaired. It wouldn't be the first time :-). That aside, there are other things I value open reel for, some of which cassettes probably never would have done anyway, in particular, uninterrupted recording/ playback time--3 hours for 3.75 ips and 1.5 hours for 7.5. Important for (1) opera and (2) live concerts. In the latter, just having more headroom/margin for error in level setting can be important. I think the 1000zxl has enough dynamic range to handle a live concert (certainly chamber music or small choral, plus some community symphonic I used to do), but there isn't much room for error. Also, I don't really like lugging a 1000zxl around; the r2r just takes more punishment. And, for the 1000zxl, although azimuth alignment is fast, it's still about 30 seconds I'd guess to flip and realign the cassette, vs., say 5-10 seconds to do auto-reverse on a 6-head r2r with auto-reverse. I do agree that portability and ease of use are much better with cassette, and the sonic qualities with a good deck (like a nak) are as good or better than a lot of r2r decks.-kby > Kimo/All: > I was just kidding you about, "will your deck do this"... I used to > own reel > to reel decks before cassette decks, and there were things they > could do, > like the hand cueing you mention, etc., that cassette decks, even > the best, > can't do, but.. when cassette decks got as good as the Naks, I > happily moved > on to the much less cumbersome, much more convenient cassette > interface and > sold my reel-to-reel decks. I suppose, if I had a recording studio, > I would > find value in the rr format, but not as an audiophile home user who > enjoyed > taking a cassette with me in a boom box to the beach, or throwing > one in a > glove box to play back in the car, etc., etc., > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Feb 24 01:09:01 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:09:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone with a useful mike for sale < UK side > and query about powered and non powered mikes. Message-ID: <9BAB4B4C-AD87-4BB9-93E6-0DAC357E69E8@alumni.caltech.edu> I know some people back in the late '70s/early '80s that swore by Schoepps (sp?) ribbon mikes. I couldn't afford them at the time, so I have a set of AKG 452s and only the card capsules. At the time they weren't in that budget range and I suspect they aren't now either. At the time I noticed the price range was kind of bimodal--you could get really cheap mikes for under $50. Or you could get really good ones for $2k+, but not much between, say $100 and $1000 (set of 2 plus all the other doohickies needed like a stand, brackets, etc.). The AKGs were one of the few things I could get in that range with all the stuff (admittedly the upper end of that iirc).-kby From alex at autoconsortium.com Fri Feb 24 02:29:17 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:29:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <004101c638bc$74e50110$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Message-ID: <200602240030.k1O0TwfL032224@kropotkin.circlecity.net> When my dragon wouldn't set azimuth on side B, I sent it to Steve Sank. In fact, I had the exact problems you describe, clicking during NAAC and chewing tapes. A dragon has dual direct drive motors. The motors were not in sync with each other. If there were other issues, I can't recall, it's been years. Alex Dear Naktalk friends, I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my Dragon, and how to solve it. There are several problems I have experienced: - During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, - At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound quality as well as the level shown on the display drops dramatically - Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, - The clicking noises are also produced during recording Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big investment in my scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. Any idea, hint is appreciated ! Thanks in advance ! Zsolt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 24 01:46:03 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:46:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <000601c638bb$61ae4ad0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <001701c638db$b0b234a0$8ebe87d9@oemcomputer> Hi Shaun You are assuming that all machines will have well set up and thus compatible Dolby B decoders. Sadly, this is not always the case and, as Kermit says, too frequently the case with vehicle cassette players. (Indeed, my Ford's cassette deck and radio doesn't even have Dolby!)So, unless you are 100% sure about the machine the tape will be replayed on it is often "safer" to record without any Dolby. Hence, when dubbing a Dolby encoded tape to another deck, where the "son" will be used in, say, a vehicle, it may be wiser to play back using Dolby but not record with it engaged unless you are certain the machine recording the "son" will replay well on the vehicle's deck. Cheers Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 23 February 2006 20:55 > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > Hi Gra', > > Even if the copy is deemed likely to be played onto a recorder having no > Dolby then it should still be recorded with Dolby as the effect of turning > down the treble will reduce some of the hiss and not kill the treble as > much as a recording made without dolby. > > Shaun > > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 24 03:05:12 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:05:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <004101c638bc$74e50110$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Message-ID: <20060224020512.12634.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Zsolt, First, the chewing of the tape points to worn pinch rollers. The clicking could be a loose cam motor belt thought. Because when the deck auto-reverses, the rollers tend to skew the tape to one side. Hence, NAAC cannot do a optimum calibration. I would suggest you get someone competent to change the pinch rollers, belts and give a deck a good once over. It would add a little to the high amount you may have invested in the machine. But without it, you would never be able to enjoy its full result. Where are you located? Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Dear Naktalk friends, I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my Dragon, and how to solve it. There are several problems I have experienced: - During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, - At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound quality as well as the level shown on the display drops dramatically - Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, - The clicking noises are also produced during recording Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big investment in my scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. Any idea, hint is appreciated ! Thanks in advance ! Zsolt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Something don't "Fit" well, as my example...when I acquired my first Nak a TT 1000/2 during late 70ties, I recorded all my TDK SA cassettes with Dolby B, today I find such 3 boxes with 10 cassettes each & I'm listening today with my Dragon...AMAZING...with Dolby B sound less "REAL"...a little bit "Muffled"...so I turn OFF in my Dragon the NR feature, and "WOW"...now sounds better (To my hears...!), can be also that concerns to which speakers do you use in home, by experience I hear many brands that have some upper "Peak"...making vinyl records & tapes to sound much "Noisier'...that other speakers much more "Flat"...in frequency...per example our super vintage JBL "Hartsfield"...that today since enter in our home in 1954...extremely enjoyable...NO muffled at all...a two way system...for that since I received near two years earlier my Dragon...since then...I record & listen my new recorded cassettes with NO NR at ALL...simple OFF. No noises, usefully also in my affordable Kenwood car radio-tape machine, YET...I add some other "Parameter"...could be that a superbly preamp also add quality for obtain "Noise Free" recording...I own a ARC SP-9/2 hybrid preamp or control unit. Only for information...with me Works! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:32:38 -0500 > >Well, to each his own, I guess, but I disagree... > >The tape should be played back with whatever NR >scheme it was originally recorded with (for most >prerecorded tapes, that's either no Dolby or >Dolby B). This assumes good Dolby level and >azimuth tracking between tape and PB machine. > >The record side depends on personal preference. >Mine is Dolby B, so I know *all* my tapes should >be played back with Dolby B. Also, I like the >lower noise level. YMMV. > >-- Ron > > >Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>Sorry, Gra', I have to agree with you. Spot on! >> >> >>Nelson wrote: >>>No. If the original is with Dolby B and it sounds good played back on >>>one >>>of the 505's, play it with the Dolby B but record it without Dolby B. >>>Replay in the car without Dolby. >>> >>>Anyone has different view, feel free to contradict me! >>> >>>Gra' >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 24 05:52:18 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:52:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems Message-ID: Hi Zsolt! As I also own a Dragon...ONLY once my machine makes those "Clicking Noises"...as you wrote with ONE particularly BASF cassette, I stop listening and put away it. For so..check if with other brands also continue making "Clicking Noises"...if NOT discard all such brand cassettes that the shell is so poorly made; that the NAAC don't work well. Are you using NEW fresh cassettes form any reliable maker as TDK; Maxell, Fuji, etc...or you use some unknown brand that you get there in Hungary? Clean all the heads, capstans, & rubber pinch rollers WELL DONE....it's NOT imperative to use something expensive upper quality alcohol it's OK...and after degauss all such items well, of course. I hope that my advices will help you, only please Zsolt...inform us what happen? Good Luck! ALEX! >From: Ny�z� Zsolt (Freemail) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems >Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:02:29 +0100 > >Dear Naktalk friends, > >I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my >Dragon, and how to solve it. > >There are several problems I have experienced: > >- During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, >- At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound quality as >well as the level shown on the display > drops dramatically >- Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, >- The clicking noises are also produced during recording > >Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big investment in my >scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. > >Any idea, hint is appreciated ! > >Thanks in advance ! > >Zsolt >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 24 13:52:22 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:52:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <001701c638db$b0b234a0$8ebe87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002701c63941$29024570$7300a8c0@Shaun> Hi Gra', My experience stems from the non Dolby Sony cassette player that I have in my '97 Alfa 146. I have tried both methods and found the one I describe to work the best. Recording with dolby increases treble output which is tamed on a non dolby machine by either turning down the treble or using the Chrome/Metal tape setting for playback. Doing this also reduces the tape hiss. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 24 February 2006 00:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice Hi Shaun You are assuming that all machines will have well set up and thus compatible Dolby B decoders. Sadly, this is not always the case and, as Kermit says, too frequently the case with vehicle cassette players. (Indeed, my Ford's cassette deck and radio doesn't even have Dolby!)So, unless you are 100% sure about the machine the tape will be replayed on it is often "safer" to record without any Dolby. Hence, when dubbing a Dolby encoded tape to another deck, where the "son" will be used in, say, a vehicle, it may be wiser to play back using Dolby but not record with it engaged unless you are certain the machine recording the "son" will replay well on the vehicle's deck. Cheers Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: 23 February 2006 20:55 > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > Hi Gra', > > Even if the copy is deemed likely to be played onto a recorder having > no Dolby then it should still be recorded with Dolby as the effect of > turning down the treble will reduce some of the hiss and not kill the > treble as much as a recording made without dolby. > > Shaun > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1417 (20060223) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 24 15:52:46 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:52:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <20060224020512.12634.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shalom my dear friend Bala! HU...is Hungary! Yes...I'm sure that you are much right that me with his failure! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problems >Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:05:12 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Zsolt, > > First, the chewing of the tape points to worn pinch >rollers. The clicking could be a loose cam motor belt thought. Because when >the deck auto-reverses, the rollers tend to skew the tape to one side. >Hence, NAAC cannot do a optimum calibration. I would suggest you get >someone competent to change the pinch rollers, belts and give a deck a good >once over. It would add a little to the high amount you may have invested >in the machine. But without it, you would never be able to enjoy its full >result. Where are you located? > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79 Labs > >Ny�z� Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: > Dear Naktalk friends, > > I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my >Dragon, and how to solve it. > > There are several problems I have experienced: > > - During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, > - At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound quality >as well as the level shown on the display > drops dramatically > - Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, > - The clicking noises are also produced during recording > > Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big investment in >my scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. > > Any idea, hint is appreciated ! > > Thanks in advance ! > > Zsolt >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 24 15:58:25 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:58:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice Message-ID: Bravo Gra' That is my 4 decades of experience....with out any NR system...is "Safe"....Dolby NR B, came very late with the Philips cassette medium, before with Reel to Reel...my two machines were with NO NR system at all...& sound lovely...I continue recording with my Dragon with NR OFF...sastifies me 100%. Have a nice weekend, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:46:03 -0000 > >Hi Shaun > >You are assuming that all machines will have well set up and thus >compatible >Dolby B decoders. Sadly, this is not always the case and, as Kermit says, >too frequently the case with vehicle cassette players. (Indeed, my Ford's >cassette deck and radio doesn't even have Dolby!)So, unless you are 100% >sure about the machine the tape will be replayed on it is often "safer" to >record without any Dolby. Hence, when dubbing a Dolby encoded tape to >another deck, where the "son" will be used in, say, a vehicle, it may be >wiser to play back using Dolby but not record with it engaged unless you >are >certain the machine recording the "son" will replay well on the vehicle's >deck. > >Cheers > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > > Sent: 23 February 2006 20:55 > > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > > > > Hi Gra', > > > > Even if the copy is deemed likely to be played onto a recorder having no > > Dolby then it should still be recorded with Dolby as the effect of >turning > > down the treble will reduce some of the hiss and not kill the treble as > > much as a recording made without dolby. > > > > Shaun > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Feb 24 17:14:12 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:14:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <20060224020512.12634.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060224161412.97395.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am sorry to intervene and say that there is no worn rollar problem causes chewing but improper tape back tension causes it along with NAAC mistracking. This deck needs experienced ( Dragon experience particularly Trouble shooting NAAC and DD motor servo contro issues electronic and mechanical) tech to attend to faults causing these symptoms. the symptoms clearly speak of NAAC problem coupled probably with head alignment and DD servo control causing NAAC to misbehave. Newbie attending to repair might cause bizarre unexpected new problems. Let a good service tech attend to Dragon problems rather than try all type of speculative repair. Stephen personally confided that many Dragons reach him after half baked repair techniques on them causing more work from the experienced tech. This is my two cents thoughts after working with many dragons with varying symptoms. Kannan PS : do not change pinch rollars in Dragon unless it is proven that it is faulty ( rarely the case in my experience) It needs Original Nak alignment Gauges and extreme patience to pull out the pinch rollar. Just to pull out the transport would require two hour labour for an experienced tech. It needs special attention to two tape guide blocks on both sides which swing to engage in one direction tape movement while disengage in the opposite direction (special to Dragon)- looks simple but damage to this or misalignment might render Dragon impossible to correct. It would cause tape pinching on both the directions if misaligned.Also note that Pinch rollar guide block nut is unusual not like many other classic nak transport! Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Zsolt, First, the chewing of the tape points to worn pinch rollers. The clicking could be a loose cam motor belt thought. Because when the deck auto-reverses, the rollers tend to skew the tape to one side. Hence, NAAC cannot do a optimum calibration. I would suggest you get someone competent to change the pinch rollers, belts and give a deck a good once over. It would add a little to the high amount you may have invested in the machine. But without it, you would never be able to enjoy its full result. Where are you located? Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Dear Naktalk friends, I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my Dragon, and how to solve it. There are several problems I have experienced: - During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, - At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound quality as well as the level shown on the display drops dramatically - Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, - The clicking noises are also! produced during recording Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big investment in my scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. Any idea, hint is appreciated ! Thanks in advance ! 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I recently bought a silver BX-2, but there are little drips everywhere that won't come off with water. From znyuzo at freemail.hu Fri Feb 24 20:58:29 2006 From: znyuzo at freemail.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ny=FAz=F3_Zsolt_=28Freemail=29?=) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:58:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems References: Message-ID: <00e401c6397c$aeb8c370$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Hi Alex, Regarding your question about the types of the cassettes the Dragon already chewd in: TDK SA-XG 90, Sony Metal-XR 50 TDK SA-90 Maxell XL II S 60 All were brand new. I only use TDK Maxell, Sony, and BASF cassettes. (By the way: never had problems with BASF...) Zsolt P.S.: In Hungary you can find all of the brands what you find in Europe or in the US. I do not know whether you have ever been in Hungary to prove it, but believe me, my experience in the US proved me so... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:52 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problems > Hi Zsolt! > > As I also own a Dragon...ONLY once my machine makes those "Clicking > Noises"...as you wrote with ONE particularly BASF cassette, I stop > listening and put away it. For so..check if with other brands also > continue making "Clicking Noises"...if NOT discard all such brand > cassettes that the shell is so poorly made; that the NAAC don't work well. > > Are you using NEW fresh cassettes form any reliable maker as TDK; Maxell, > Fuji, etc...or you use some unknown brand that you get there in Hungary? > > Clean all the heads, capstans, & rubber pinch rollers WELL DONE....it's > NOT imperative to use something expensive upper quality alcohol it's > OK...and after degauss all such items well, of course. > > I hope that my advices will help you, only please Zsolt...inform us what > happen? > > Good Luck! > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: >>Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems >>Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:02:29 +0100 >> >>Dear Naktalk friends, >> >>I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my >>Dragon, and how to solve it. >> >>There are several problems I have experienced: >> >>- During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, >>- At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound quality as >>well as the level shown on the display >> drops dramatically >>- Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, >>- The clicking noises are also produced during recording >> >>Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big investment in my >>scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. >> >>Any idea, hint is appreciated ! >> >>Thanks in advance ! >> >>Zsolt > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 24 21:22:24 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:22:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c63980$0706c880$7300a8c0@Shaun> Alex, Reel to reel running at 7½, 15 or 30 ips probably don't need dolby noise reduction. Quiet passages on cassette running at 1 7/8 ips do benefit from it. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 24 February 2006 14:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice Bravo Gra' That is my 4 decades of experience....with out any NR system...is "Safe"....Dolby NR B, came very late with the Philips cassette medium, before with Reel to Reel...my two machines were with NO NR system at all...& sound lovely...I continue recording with my Dragon with NR OFF...sastifies me 100%. Have a nice weekend, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:46:03 -0000 > >Hi Shaun > >You are assuming that all machines will have well set up and thus >compatible >Dolby B decoders. Sadly, this is not always the case and, as Kermit says, >too frequently the case with vehicle cassette players. (Indeed, my Ford's >cassette deck and radio doesn't even have Dolby!)So, unless you are 100% >sure about the machine the tape will be replayed on it is often "safer" to >record without any Dolby. Hence, when dubbing a Dolby encoded tape to >another deck, where the "son" will be used in, say, a vehicle, it may be >wiser to play back using Dolby but not record with it engaged unless you >are >certain the machine recording the "son" will replay well on the vehicle's >deck. > >Cheers > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > > Sent: 23 February 2006 20:55 > > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > > > > Hi Gra', > > > > Even if the copy is deemed likely to be played onto a recorder > > having no Dolby then it should still be recorded with Dolby as the > > effect of >turning > > down the treble will reduce some of the hiss and not kill the > > treble as much as a recording made without dolby. > > > > Shaun > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1418 (20060224) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Feb 24 22:24:58 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:24:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of a Nak convention and the cabbage award for worst tape! In-Reply-To: <200602231101.k1NB18lh006209@zxe.naks.com> References: <200602231101.k1NB18lh006209@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi again Im really glad my Dragon / Cabbage challenge appeals ......... its all about listening pleasure so a top Nak's ability to sort out an obscure or plainly dreadful tape will be really interesting. May the worst tape owner win ........... well, win something, for their efforts. I'll let you think up a prize... AKG d200 purrhaps? Sounds like the convention is shaping up well and no doubt the programme you are developing will have some impact on numbers attending......... >SNIP > >> If there is a nak gathering how about the Cabbage award >> for the sonically worst commercially released cassette of the last >> century? I could post the aforementioned specimens in and the rest of us >> could hear how a Dragon deals with such challenging items as the worst >> prerecorded cassette on the planet. > > FAB idea! We'll do it! >I'm nbusily weorkiong toward that objective Those are some wondrous typos Kermit ......... wot you on? :-) we have updated our website if anyones interested but theres nothing about Naks there just a real sweet website ......if'n yo is interested! www.bechbaskets.net peace ian r From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Feb 24 22:24:58 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:24:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Anyone with a useful mike for sale < UK side > In-Reply-To: <200602231101.k1NB18lh006209@zxe.naks.com> References: <200602231101.k1NB18lh006209@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Kermit, Kimo and Ed This is great advice thanks...... but the 'groovy' looking AKG d200 seem to be going for £150 on ebay.... so the secret must be out ......... however I feel the Reslos are more obscure so may go under the ebay radar ..... for a week or so. The succinct comments about the cheapo condensers are also noted! Schoepps....... yowza I thought these were in the stratospheric price range ........ but who knows with ebay? Thanks for the help Kimo. peace ianr From: "Kermit V. Gray" Date: Thu, 23 Feb >Hey Ed, >Perfect advice! You beat me to it! > >I'd agree also on the cheapie condensor mics. They're horrible. > >Anything in the AKG D200E family (D202E, D2222E, and D224E) or D190E >family (D125E, D1000E, D1200E)) are great all-aroundchoices for his >application. Because he's in the UK, I'd also recommend the Reslo RB >series ribbon mics (RBH, RBT, RBL or the Reslo Celeste), especially for >the Indian harmonium. The one time I recorded a harmonium I used my >Reslo RBH and the result was spine-tingling. > > >Edward Noyes wrote: >> I would look on ebay for a couple of old AKG D200E mics. They come up >> for sale often and are not that well known now so they sell for maybe >> $40 US per mic at most. I am not alone in considering them as a dynamic >> mic that thinks it's a good condenser. The ultra cheap condensers are >> not really worthy of serious consideration. Some try to pretend pretty >> well, and offer a lot of "bang for the buck," but that still doesn't >> make them good mics. The D200 is a good mic... just ask Kermit, he's the >> reason I own two pairs. BTW, D190 is also a good mic, but I still like >> D200 better. >> > > Cheers, Ed "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I know some people back in the late '70s/early '80s that swore by Schoepps (sp?) ribbon mikes. I couldn't afford them at the time, so I have a set of AKG 452s and only the card capsules. At the time they weren't in that budget range and I suspect they aren't now either. At the time I noticed the price range was kind of bimodal--you could get really cheap mikes for under $50. Or you could get really good ones for $2k+, but not much between, say $100 and $1000 (set of 2 plus all the other doohickies needed like a stand, brackets, etc.). The AKGs were one of the few things I could get in that range with all the stuff (admittedly the upper end of that iirc).-kby > > earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > >> hello again rekorders > >> Does anyone have a useful sweet mike going surplus. I'm looking for a >>> mike and eBay on dial up is tiring me out and one doesnt know if the > >> mike is shot or not. > >> I will use it at home to record either my voice or the Indian >> harmonium. I only use 2 mikes and my efforts are purely amateur. From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 24 23:03:38 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:03:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning... not heads, but the front plate. In-Reply-To: <43FF5AD9.4040702@yahoo.ca> References: <43FF5AD9.4040702@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43FF82BA.7080204@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > What can I do to clean the front plate of the Nak? > > I recently bought a silver BX-2, but there are little drips everywhere > that won't come off with water. A long time ago I serviced a BX-(something) that had this problem. Turned out the owner had cleaned the capstans and let some harsh cleaner (probably, CTC) to touch the anodized front panel. This ate into the passivation and caused permanent spots. We alleviated the problem with a black Sharpie marker. Didn't come out exactly like new, but was improved. I have no idea what can be done for a silver front panel. -- Ron From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Feb 24 23:16:01 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:16:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <002701c63941$29024570$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <002701c63941$29024570$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <43FF85A1.6010105@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Shaun, This is something many listeners do. In effect you've added a bit of high-frequency-only compression (from the Dolby encoder), then tamed the excessive treble caused by playing the tape with the Dolby off by using the tone control. This actually can make an otherwise awful pre-recorded tape sound acceptable. An example of why audio is part art, part science. Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Hi Gra', > > My experience stems from the non Dolby Sony cassette player that I have in > my '97 Alfa 146. I have tried both methods and found the one I describe to > work the best. Recording with dolby increases treble output which is tamed > on a non dolby machine by either turning down the treble or using the > Chrome/Metal tape setting for playback. Doing this also reduces the tape > hiss. > > Shaun > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Nelson > Sent: 24 February 2006 00:46 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > Hi Shaun > > You are assuming that all machines will have well set up and thus compatible > Dolby B decoders. Sadly, this is not always the case and, as Kermit says, > too frequently the case with vehicle cassette players. (Indeed, my Ford's > cassette deck and radio doesn't even have Dolby!)So, unless you are 100% > sure about the machine the tape will be replayed on it is often "safer" to > record without any Dolby. Hence, when dubbing a Dolby encoded tape to > another deck, where the "son" will be used in, say, a vehicle, it may be > wiser to play back using Dolby but not record with it engaged unless you are > certain the machine recording the "son" will replay well on the vehicle's > deck. > > Cheers > > Gra' > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery >>Sent: 23 February 2006 20:55 >>To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >> >> >>Hi Gra', >> >>Even if the copy is deemed likely to be played onto a recorder having >>no Dolby then it should still be recorded with Dolby as the effect of >>turning down the treble will reduce some of the hiss and not kill the >>treble as much as a recording made without dolby. >> >>Shaun -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 24 23:38:30 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:38:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems Message-ID: Hi Zsolt! After reading the erudite response of Kannan, which knows Dragon extremely well, my advice is to send your unit to England to Bowers & Wilkins repair station for be well done reparation. Maybe will be NOT cheap...however also I decided IF...one day will a seriously problem with my gifted Dragon Paul from B & W, wrote me that he will be glad receiving my unit for return back as was when leave the Nak factory in Japan. I think...that your Dragon's problem was much...much...less seriously. Sorry, My best wishes, ALEX! >From: Ny�z� Zsolt (Freemail) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problems >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:58:29 +0100 > >Hi Alex, > >Regarding your question about the types of the cassettes the Dragon already >chewd in: > >TDK SA-XG 90, >Sony Metal-XR 50 >TDK SA-90 >Maxell XL II S 60 >All were brand new. >I only use TDK Maxell, Sony, and BASF cassettes. (By the way: never had >problems with BASF...) > >Zsolt > >P.S.: In Hungary you can find all of the brands what you find in Europe or >in the US. >I do not know whether you have ever been in Hungary to prove it, but >believe me, >my experience in the US proved me so... > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" >To: >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:52 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problems > > >>Hi Zsolt! >> >>As I also own a Dragon...ONLY once my machine makes those "Clicking >>Noises"...as you wrote with ONE particularly BASF cassette, I stop >>listening and put away it. For so..check if with other brands also >>continue making "Clicking Noises"...if NOT discard all such brand >>cassettes that the shell is so poorly made; that the NAAC don't work well. >> >>Are you using NEW fresh cassettes form any reliable maker as TDK; Maxell, >>Fuji, etc...or you use some unknown brand that you get there in Hungary? >> >>Clean all the heads, capstans, & rubber pinch rollers WELL DONE....it's >>NOT imperative to use something expensive upper quality alcohol it's >>OK...and after degauss all such items well, of course. >> >>I hope that my advices will help you, only please Zsolt...inform us what >>happen? >> >>Good Luck! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Ny�z� Zsolt (Freemail) >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: >>>Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems >>>Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:02:29 +0100 >>> >>>Dear Naktalk friends, >>> >>>I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my >>>Dragon, and how to solve it. >>> >>>There are several problems I have experienced: >>> >>>- During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, >>>- At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound quality >>>as well as the level shown on the display >>> drops dramatically >>>- Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, >>>- The clicking noises are also produced during recording >>> >>>Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big investment in >>>my scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. >>> >>>Any idea, hint is appreciated ! >>> >>>Thanks in advance ! >>> >>>Zsolt >> >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 24 23:42:07 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:42:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice Message-ID: Shalom Shaun! YES...100% agree, also my once owned two R to R decks were two track models, so wider track recording phone to much less hiss. Thank's for your cute observation! Be always well, ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:22:24 -0000 > >Alex, > >Reel to reel running at 7�, 15 or 30 ips probably don't need dolby noise >reduction. Quiet passages on cassette running at 1 7/8 ips do benefit from >it. > >Shaun > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Alex Cozac >Sent: 24 February 2006 14:58 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > >Bravo Gra' > >That is my 4 decades of experience....with out any NR system...is >"Safe"....Dolby NR B, came very late with the Philips cassette medium, >before with Reel to Reel...my two machines were with NO NR system at >all...& > >sound lovely...I continue recording with my Dragon with NR OFF...sastifies >me 100%. > >Have a nice weekend, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:46:03 -0000 > > > >Hi Shaun > > > >You are assuming that all machines will have well set up and thus > >compatible > >Dolby B decoders. Sadly, this is not always the case and, as Kermit >says, > >too frequently the case with vehicle cassette players. (Indeed, my >Ford's > >cassette deck and radio doesn't even have Dolby!)So, unless you are 100% > >sure about the machine the tape will be replayed on it is often "safer" >to > >record without any Dolby. Hence, when dubbing a Dolby encoded tape to > >another deck, where the "son" will be used in, say, a vehicle, it may be > >wiser to play back using Dolby but not record with it engaged unless you > >are > >certain the machine recording the "son" will replay well on the vehicle's > >deck. > > > >Cheers > > > >Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery > > > Sent: 23 February 2006 20:55 > > > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > > Decks' > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice > > > > > > > > > Hi Gra', > > > > > > Even if the copy is deemed likely to be played onto a recorder > > > having no Dolby then it should still be recorded with Dolby as the > > > effect of > >turning > > > down the treble will reduce some of the hiss and not kill the > > > treble as much as a recording made without dolby. > > > > > > Shaun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >__________ NOD32 1.1418 (20060224) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 25 00:15:08 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:15:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems Message-ID: <43FF937C.3010102@sbcglobal.net> Kannan says: " I am sorry to intervene and say that there is no worn rollar problem causes chewing but improper tape back tension causes it along with NAAC mistracking. This deck needs experienced ( Dragon experience particularly Trouble shooting NAAC and DD motor servo contro issues electronic and mechanical) tech to attend to faults causing these symptoms. the symptoms clearly speak of NAAC problem coupled probably with head alignment and DD servo control causing NAAC to misbehave. Newbie attending to repair might cause bizarre unexpected new problems. Let a good service tech attend to Dragon problems rather than try all type of speculative repair. Stephen personally confided that many Dragons reach him after half baked repair techniques on them causing more work from the experienced tech. This is my two cents thoughts after working with many dragons with varying symptoms." Ken replies: Listen to Kannan about this trouble! I had the exact same trouble with my Dragon, clicking noise as NAAC comes to its physical end of travel, eating tapes when reversing, mistracking etc. Kannan fixed this for me. It was a matter of making some delicate timed adjustments which took him some time to get it just perfect. Take your dragon to a very experienced tech and it will be made perfect without tearing parts out unnecessarily. From rob at rhoag.com Sat Feb 25 00:36:30 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:36:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning... not heads, but the front plate. In-Reply-To: <43FF5AD9.4040702@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: try rubbing alcohol -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:13 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning... not heads, but the front plate. What can I do to clean the front plate of the Nak? I recently bought a silver BX-2, but there are little drips everywhere that won't come off with water. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 25 00:47:12 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (graham NELSON) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:47:12 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cue facility - ZX-9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c6399c$a1ea3500$8dcb87d9@oemcomputer> With all the talk about the cue operation I thought I'd try it with my ZX9. Sure enough, I found how to make tape at two different speeds but not a squeak of music do I hear at either rate of knots! In all other respects the deck seems to be flawless and since I've never used the cue facility on the ZX9 before I suppose I'm not going to miss it now ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 20 February 2006 23:46 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Precautions in tape operation > > > Hmm... With my Nax ZX7 I never had any problems using the cue.. > there is no > need for any adjustments for how close the heads are to the tape, it's > already optimized in design. You can also get the same effect of your Teac > where you "drop the tape lever" by just hitting the tape reset > button on the > ZX7 when it is over the spot you want, then you simply hit the fast fwd or > rev with the tape memory on and it will also stop at that exact spot. But > with the 1/3 speed, and then the ability to slow it down another half to > 1/6th speed, I rarely overshot a spot with my ZX7, and even if I do, I can > rock it back and forth in direction at 1/6th speed, as I said > earlier. Will > your Teac do all that? :~) > I can't really see how Nakamichi could have improved on their cue feature, > it works flawlessly on my ZX7, and probably does on the other models too. > > Doane > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Feb 25 04:25:25 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:25:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In-Reply-To: <003c01c638c9$1ff241b0$f199d255@homeduron1300> References: <003c01c638c9$1ff241b0$f199d255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <43FFCE25.5020207@woods-and-waters.com> Hi David, David Edwards wrote: > Thank you so much everyone for the very comprehensive answers. I will > endeavour to put your valued advice into action. > > Two questions though: > 1. I suppose I can assume that my car deck - a Blaupunkt OSLO has no > Dolby ability as there are no buttons associated with it. I think that's correct. > Is it a safe assumption to think that a deck would say so, if it was > using Dolby? Yes, it will have the "Double D" logo displayed on it as a requirement of Dolby Lab's licensing terms. > Does every deck with Dolby facilities include a switch to > turn it off? No, but most will. As an example, many 1990s-vintage GM factory autosound cassette players (especially in the Cadillac line) have Dolby NR but no ON/OFF selector. Bad idea. > 2. How can I tell if my original BBC spoken voice tapes used Dolby in > their production? Do tapes made with it have it written on the cassette > shell? The cassette labels will have the "Double D" logo displayed on it as a acknowledgement of Dolby Lab's legal rights to the noise reduction. At one time a studio had to have a license to use Dolby NR on cassette copies (but not master tapes), but I'm unsure if that is still in force. No Double D logo? Then it's safe to assume no Dolby NR. All the problems with Dolby compatibility, and their costly licenses, are why I didn't use it for my studios high-speed-duped cassette copies. (Ok, that and high-speed duped cassettes sound nasty enough as it is.) It's also why I'm developing a cassette deck that is as quiet as a Dolby deck, but needs no noise reduction to be that quiet. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 25 09:14:29 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:14:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <20060224161412.97395.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060225081429.2419.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Firstly, he is having problems with mostly new tapes, which I note are thinner then their 80s predecessors. The only tape that works for him are BASF tapes. I think a number of experienced nakkers will attest that chewed tapes can happen on many decks of various makes and models. And that most times, its the pinch rollers. The Dragon, like any other cassette deck, has pinch rollers. So when it starts chewing up precious tapes, first check the rollers. To say that the problem lies in a bevey of systems all going wrong at one go is simply hard to believe. Unless he's spilled some wine into the deck or an infant pulled it off the rack. The Dragon uses the classic mechanism.However, between all the models that use the classic mechanisms, there have been changes and differences. The Dragon also has a changes. But the Dragon does not use any special block buts. The two pinch rollers (Assy Supply Pressure Roller - D02 and Assy Take-Up Roller - D03) are held in place using a small washer and e-clip. To get to that assembly is in fact, the harder part. But that does not require two hours! I can and have taken out a ZXL series transport in about half that time. My Dragon was taken apart in about that time also. Not because its hard, but the plasctic clips that hold the front panel are so fragile and can be broken. Changing pinch rollers and belts (where applicable) should not be very hard or complex things. Otherwise, the service department would be bogged down by what would have been very simple things. Pulling the pinch rollers out does not require any form of gauges. It does need a good set of tools and a steady hand to make sure you do not damage the black housing when removing the clips. However, re-assembly needs some alignment. But its not tedious nor impossible. All this boils down to my closing statements in my reply. That he gets a competent person to do the once over and me asking where he is, so that I or anyone else can recommend the usual established sources for proper help. If at all, something as bad and complex as the scenario you mentioned had happened, I would let someone from ESL or Bowers and Wilkins have a thorough look thru and come to this conclusion. I prefer not to scare or pull a fast one on an avid user who is burning with excitement in getting his hands on a Nakamichi. And a Dragon no less. Welcome to the club Zsolt. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: I am sorry to intervene and say that there is no worn rollar problem causes chewing but improper tape back tension causes it along with NAAC mistracking. This deck needs experienced ( Dragon experience particularly Trouble shooting NAAC and DD motor servo contro issues electronic and mechanical) tech to attend to faults causing these symptoms. the symptoms clearly speak of NAAC problem coupled probably with head alignment and DD servo control causing NAAC to misbehave. Newbie attending to repair might cause bizarre unexpected new problems. Let a good service tech attend to Dragon problems rather than try all type of speculative repair. Stephen personally confided that many Dragons reach him after half baked repair techniques on them causing more work from the experienced tech. This is my two cents thoughts after working with many dragons with varying symptoms. Kannan PS : do not change pinch rollars in Dragon unless it is proven that it is faulty ( rarely the case in my experience) It needs Original Nak alignment Gauges and extreme patience to pull out the pinch rollar. Just to pull out the transport would require two hour labour for an experienced tech. It needs special attention to two tape guide blocks on both sides which swing to engage in one direction tape movement while disengage in the opposite direction (special to Dragon)- looks simple but damage to this or misalignment might render Dragon impossible to correct. It would cause tape pinching on both the directions if misaligned.Also note that Pinch rollar guide block nut is unusual not like many other classic nak transport! Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Zsolt, First, the chewing of the tape points to worn pinch rollers. The clicking could be a loose cam motor belt thought. Because when the deck auto-reverses, the rollers tend to skew the tape to one side. Hence, NAAC cannot do a optimum calibration. I would suggest you get someone competent to change the pinch rollers, belts and give a deck a good once over. It would add a little to the high amount you may have invested in the machine. But without it, you would never be able to enjoy its full result. Where are you located? Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: ! Dear Naktalk friends, I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my Dragon, and how to solve it. There are several problems I have experienced: - During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, - At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound quality as well as the level shown on the display drops dramatically - Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, - The clicking noises are also! produced during recording! Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big investment in my scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. Any idea, hint is appreciated ! Thanks in advance ! Zsolt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ya! hoo! 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Today I made a very, very thorough cleaning of the pinch rollers, the capstans, the tape guides, and of course the heads. Unfortunately the problems did not change. I do have the feeling, that the end of this story will be Bowers and Wilkins. I have already sent an e-mail to them concering repair cost estimates. If it will be a more or less reasonable cost probably I will send my darling to them for a complete renewal. In fact the cost of the safe and fast delivery from Hungary to UK is rather high, so in case of I decide to send it over I want to get a 'better than new' unit back, and than I am finished with the problems for quite some time. I do not intend to do the repairs - with the exception of really, really simple ones - by myself or to let anybody with limited or no experience at all to touch my baby. Well... I'm just jelous, you know... ; ) Thanks, to all of you, and best regards: Zsolt ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problems Hi, Firstly, he is having problems with mostly new tapes, which I note are thinner then their 80s predecessors. The only tape that works for him are BASF tapes. I think a number of experienced nakkers will attest that chewed tapes can happen on many decks of various makes and models. And that most times, its the pinch rollers. The Dragon, like any other cassette deck, has pinch rollers. So when it starts chewing up precious tapes, first check the rollers. To say that the problem lies in a bevey of systems all going wrong at one go is simply hard to believe. Unless he's spilled some wine into the deck or an infant pulled it off the rack. The Dragon uses the classic mechanism.However, between all the models that use the classic mechanisms, there have been changes and differences. The Dragon also has a changes. But the Dr! agon does not use any special block buts. The two pinch rollers (Assy Supply Pressure Roller - D02 and Assy Take-Up Roller - D03) are held in place using a small washer and e-clip. To get to that assembly is in fact, the harder part. But that does not require two hours! I can and have taken out a ZXL series transport in about half that time. My Dragon was taken apart in about that time also. Not because its hard, but the plasctic clips that hold the front panel are so fragile and can be broken. Changing pinch rollers and belts (where applicable) should not be very hard or complex things. Otherwise, the service department would be bogged down by what would have been very simple things. Pulling the pinch rollers out does not require any form of gauges. It does need a good set of tools and a steady hand to make sure you do not damage the black housing when removing the clips. However, re-assembly needs some alignment. But its not tedious nor impossible.&nb! sp;All this boils down to my closing statements in my reply. That he gets a competent person to do the once over and me asking where he is, so that I or anyone else can recommend the usual established sources for proper help. If at all, something as bad and complex as the scenario you mentioned had happened, I would let someone from ESL or Bowers and Wilkins have a thorough look thru and come to this conclusion. I prefer not to scare or pull a fast one on an avid user who is burning with excitement in getting his hands on a Nakamichi. And a Dragon no less. Welcome to the club Zsolt. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: I am sorry to intervene and say that there is no worn rollar problem! causes chewing but improper tape back tension causes it along with NAAC mistracking. This deck needs experienced ( Dragon experience particularly Trouble shooting NAAC and DD motor servo contro issues electronic and mechanical) tech to attend to faults causing these symptoms. the symptoms clearly speak of NAAC problem coupled probably with head alignment and DD servo control causing NAAC to misbehave. Newbie attending to repair might cause bizarre unexpected new problems. Let a good service tech attend to Dragon problems rather than try all type of speculative repair. Stephen personally confided that many Dragons reach him after half baked repair techniques on them causing more work from the experienced tech. This is my two cents thoughts after working with many dragons with varying symptoms. Kannan PS : do not change pinch rollars in Dragon unless it is proven that it is ! faulty ( rarely the case in my experience) It needs Original Nak alignment Gauges and extreme patience to pull out the pinch rollar. Just to pull out the transport would require two hour labour for an experienced tech. It needs special attention to two tape guide blocks on both sides which swing to engage in one direction tape movement while disengage in the opposite direction (special to Dragon)- looks simple but damage to this or misalignment might render Dragon impossible to correct. It would cause tape pinching on both the directions if misaligned.Also note that Pinch rollar guide block nut is unusual not like many other classic nak transport! Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Zsolt, First, the chewing of the tape points to worn pinch rollers. The clicking could be a loose cam motor belt thought. Because when the deck auto-reverses, the rollers tend to skew the tape to one side. Hence, NAAC cannot do a optimum calibration. I would suggest you get someone competent to change the pinch rollers, belts and give a deck a good once over. It would add a little to the high amount you may have invested in the machine. But without it, you would never be able to enjoy its full result. Where are you located? Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Dear Naktalk friends, I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my Dragon, and how to solve it. There are several problems I have experienced: - During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, - At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound quality as well as the level shown on the display drops dramatically - Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, - The clicking noises are also! produced during recording! Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big investment in my scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. Any idea, hint is appreciated ! Thanks in advance ! Zsolt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ya! hoo! 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URL: From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sat Feb 25 14:07:24 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:07:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still References: <003c01c638c9$1ff241b0$f199d255@homeduron1300> <43FFCE25.5020207@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <001f01c63a0c$6eec5b40$f885d255@homeduron1300> Thanks Kermit, I think I have enough info now to stop bothering the group (for a month or two) and try a few things with a bit more knowledge than I previously had. Many thanks to you all. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still > Hi David, > > David Edwards wrote: >> Thank you so much everyone for the very comprehensive answers. I will >> endeavour to put your valued advice into action. >> >> Two questions though: >> 1. I suppose I can assume that my car deck - a Blaupunkt OSLO has no >> Dolby ability as there are no buttons associated with it. > > I think that's correct. > >> Is it a safe assumption to think that a deck would say so, if it was >> using Dolby? > > Yes, it will have the "Double D" logo displayed on it as a requirement of > Dolby Lab's licensing terms. > > > Does every deck with Dolby facilities include a switch to >> turn it off? > > No, but most will. As an example, many 1990s-vintage GM factory autosound > cassette players (especially in the Cadillac line) have Dolby NR but no > ON/OFF selector. Bad idea. > > >> 2. How can I tell if my original BBC spoken voice tapes used Dolby in >> their production? Do tapes made with it have it written on the cassette >> shell? > > The cassette labels will have the "Double D" logo displayed on it as a > acknowledgement of Dolby Lab's legal rights to the noise reduction. At one > time a studio had to have a license to use Dolby NR on cassette copies > (but not master tapes), but I'm unsure if that is still in force. No > Double D logo? Then it's safe to assume no Dolby NR. > > All the problems with Dolby compatibility, and their costly licenses, are > why I didn't use it for my studios high-speed-duped cassette copies. (Ok, > that and high-speed duped cassettes sound nasty enough as it is.) It's > also why I'm developing a cassette deck that is as quiet as a Dolby deck, > but needs no noise reduction to be that quiet. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Feb 25 14:21:48 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:21:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning... not heads, but the front plate. In-Reply-To: <43FF82BA.7080204@rcn.com> References: <43FF5AD9.4040702@yahoo.ca> <43FF82BA.7080204@rcn.com> Message-ID: <440059EC.30401@yahoo.ca> Ron a écrit : > We alleviated the problem with a black Sharpie > marker. Didn't come out exactly like new, but was > improved. Especially since the front panel is dark purple, not black. (Anyways, black markers are always reflecting a bit of red) > > I have no idea what can be done for a silver front > panel. > > -- Ron From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Feb 25 14:23:55 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:23:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning... not heads, but the front plate. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44005A6B.7030504@yahoo.ca> OK, was not sure(Left some permanent traces on some equipment I have). What about lighter fuel? ¨(Worked for me on some Toshiba equipment, but not sure for the Nak, since the writing comes off the Power button with use) Doane Hoag a écrit : > try rubbing alcohol > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:13 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning... not heads, but the front plate. > > > What can I do to clean the front plate of the Nak? > > I recently bought a silver BX-2, but there are little drips everywhere > that won't come off with water. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Feb 25 15:20:18 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:20:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems Message-ID: Hi Zsolt! Yes I applaud your cute decision...I two month ago wrote also the Phil at B & W, as I live in Israel, the transport to there & back it's much more expensive, that from Hungary to UK, if some day I will necessitate as yours today requires an "Extensive" reparation. Inform us after that you will get it back...how works? Good luck & be patiently...! ALEX! >From: Ny�z� Zsolt (Freemail) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problems >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:16:28 +0100 > >Hi Bala, > >Thanks for your and all the others' advices ! > >Today I made a very, very thorough cleaning of the pinch rollers, the >capstans, the tape guides, and of course the heads. >Unfortunately the problems did not change. I do have the feeling, that the >end of this story will be Bowers and Wilkins. >I have already sent an e-mail to them concering repair cost estimates. If >it will be a more or less reasonable cost probably >I will send my darling to them for a complete renewal. In fact the cost of >the safe and fast delivery from Hungary to UK is >rather high, so in case of I decide to send it over I want to get a 'better >than new' unit back, and than I am finished with the >problems for quite some time. > >I do not intend to do the repairs - with the exception of really, really >simple ones - by myself or to let anybody with limited >or no experience at all to touch my baby. Well... I'm just jelous, you >know... ; ) > >Thanks, to all of you, and best regards: > > Zsolt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:14 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problems > > > Hi, > > Firstly, he is having problems with mostly new tapes, which >I note are thinner then their 80s predecessors. The only tape that works >for him are BASF tapes. I think a number of experienced nakkers will attest >that chewed tapes can happen on many decks of various makes and models. And >that most times, its the pinch rollers. The Dragon, like any other cassette >deck, has pinch rollers. So when it starts chewing up precious tapes, >first check the rollers. To say that the problem lies in a bevey of >systems all going wrong at one go is simply hard to believe. Unless he's >spilled some wine into the deck or an infant pulled it off the rack. > > The Dragon uses the classic mechanism.However, between all the models >that use the classic mechanisms, there have been changes and differences. >The Dragon also has a changes. But the Dr! agon does not use any special >block buts. The two pinch rollers (Assy Supply Pressure Roller - D02 and >Assy Take-Up Roller - D03) are held in place using a small washer and >e-clip. To get to that assembly is in fact, the harder part. But that does >not require two hours! I can and have taken out a ZXL series transport in >about half that time. My Dragon was taken apart in about that time also. >Not because its hard, but the plasctic clips that hold the front panel are >so fragile and can be broken. Changing pinch rollers and belts (where >applicable) should not be very hard or complex things. Otherwise, the >service department would be bogged down by what would have been very simple >things. > > Pulling the pinch rollers out does not require any form of gauges. It >does need a good set of tools and a steady hand to make sure you do not >damage the black housing when removing the clips. However, re-assembly >needs some alignment. But its not tedious nor impossible.&nb! sp;All this >boils down to my closing statements in my reply. That he gets a competent >person to do the once over and me asking where he is, so that I or anyone >else can recommend the usual established sources for proper help. > > If at all, something as bad and complex as the scenario you mentioned >had happened, I would let someone from ESL or Bowers and Wilkins have a >thorough look thru and come to this conclusion. I prefer not to scare or >pull a fast one on an avid user who is burning with excitement in getting >his hands on a Nakamichi. And a Dragon no less. Welcome to the club Zsolt. > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I am sorry to intervene and say that there is no worn rollar problem! >causes chewing but improper tape back tension causes it along with NAAC >mistracking. This deck needs experienced ( Dragon experience particularly >Trouble shooting NAAC and DD motor servo contro issues electronic and >mechanical) tech to attend to faults causing these symptoms. the symptoms >clearly speak of NAAC problem coupled probably with head alignment and DD >servo control causing NAAC to misbehave. > Newbie attending to repair might cause bizarre unexpected new >problems. Let a good service tech attend to Dragon problems rather than >try all type of speculative repair. Stephen personally confided that many >Dragons reach him after half baked repair techniques on them causing more >work from the experienced tech. > This is my two cents thoughts after working with many dragons with >varying symptoms. > Kannan > PS : do not change pinch rollars in Dragon unless it is proven that it >is ! faulty ( rarely the case in my experience) It needs Original Nak >alignment Gauges and extreme patience to pull out the pinch rollar. Just to >pull out the transport would require two hour labour for an experienced >tech. It needs special attention to two tape guide blocks on both sides >which swing to engage in one direction tape movement while disengage in the >opposite direction (special to Dragon)- looks simple but damage to this or >misalignment might render Dragon impossible to correct. It would cause tape >pinching on both the directions if misaligned.Also note that Pinch rollar >guide block nut is unusual not like many other classic nak transport! > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Zsolt, > > First, the chewing of the tape points to worn >pinch rollers. The clicking could be a loose cam motor belt thought. >Because when the deck auto-reverses, the rollers tend to skew the tape to >one side. Hence, NAAC cannot do a optimum calibration. I would suggest you >get someone competent to change the pinch rollers, belts and give a deck a >good once over. It would add a little to the high amount you may have >invested in the machine. But without it, you would never be able to enjoy >its full result. Where are you located? > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79 Labs > > Ny�z� Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: > Dear Naktalk friends, > > I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with >my Dragon, and how to solve it. > > There are several problems I have experienced: > > - During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, > - At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound >quality as well as the level shown on the display > drops dramatically > - Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, > - The clicking noises are also! produced during recording! > > Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big >investment in my scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. > > Any idea, hint is appreciated ! > > Thanks in advance ! > > Zsolt > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ya! hoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying >attachments.========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! >Mail.========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Feb 25 15:46:55 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:46:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <005a01c63a05$4e40b9b0$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Message-ID: <20060225144656.31667.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Zsoft for letting know the decision. Since Bala does not seem to understamd my statement very clearly. it is not meant to scare anybody- I would be happy to help somebody to experiment replacing pinch rollar on a Dragon - provided that he has some very important gauges that are not available easily today. I spent more than 2000 $ on these gauges from Nkamaichi Japan 5 years back to repair my Dragon and I know why I say something here very clearly. Bala seems to think I am in the way of anybody trying out - yes sir you are encouraged to learn provided you have one more Dragon or do not worry about the consequences of trying repair a Dragon for the first time. fianlly have some of these gauges in hand before you attempt. Also make sure you get replacement pinch rollars ( are they available freely? )before you try anything at all. I am really surprised by statements from him without ever having the experience of removing a Dragon' pinch rollar after removing the entire mechanism out of th cahassis. Secondly imagine some one who does not have specific alignment gauges or understanding of guid block importance in a Nak dragon trying to remove the pinch rollar block ? What would be the consequence unless he is Bala who has tons of Nakamichi to experiment and probably do not mind getting stuck with unrepairable Dragon? I do not mean to prevent any newbie trying out here but to caution any newbie to know the limits. I can more than suggest here methods provided somebody is willing to experiment inspite of loosing a Dragon to learn what i had learned over the years. Surely from the symptoms - I have repaired one Dragon ( kept in storage for more than 5 years ) which went to Ken Kirkpatrick in this forum. You also saw his reply. Please take a moment to go throug Stephen Sank' reports in Naktalk archive regarding pinch rollars if you have the patience. I am not happy with the way Stephen treated many customers like me ( by not responding to related to my own equipment ) but have given very valuable clear and correct repair suggestions in this forum. Let people judge statement from Mr. Bala based on their own experience. kannan Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Hi Bala, Thanks for your and all the others' advices ! Today I made a very, very thorough cleaning of the pinch rollers, the capstans, the tape guides, and of course the heads. Unfortunately the problems did not change. I do have the feeling, that the end of this story will be Bowers and Wilkins. I have already sent an e-mail to them concering repair cost estimates. If it will be a more or less reasonable cost probably I will send my darling to them for a complete renewal. In fact the cost of the safe and fast delivery from Hungary to UK is rather high, so in case of I decide to send it over I want to get a 'better than new' unit back, and than I am finished with the problems for quite some time. I do not intend to do the repairs - with the exception of really, really simple ones - by myself or to let anybody with limited or no experience at all to touch my baby. Well... I'm just jelous, you know... ; ) Thanks, to all of you, and best regards: Zsolt ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problems Hi, Firstly, he is having problems with mostly new tapes, which I note are thinner then their 80s predecessors. The only tape that works for him are BASF tapes. I think a number of experienced nakkers will attest that chewed tapes can happen on many decks of various makes and models. And that most times, its the pinch rollers. The Dragon, like any other cassette deck, has pinch rollers. So when it starts chewing up precious tapes, first check the rollers. To say that the problem lies in a bevey of systems all going wrong at one go is simply hard to believe. Unless he's spilled some wine into the deck or an infant pulled it off the rack. The Dragon uses the classic mechanism.However, between all the models that use the classic mechanisms, there have been changes and differences. The Dragon also has a changes. But the Dr! agon does not use any special block buts. The two pinch rollers (Assy Supply Pressure Roller - D02 and Assy Take-Up Roller - D03) are held in place using a small washer and e-clip. To get to that assembly is in fact, the harder part. But that does not require two hours! I can and have taken out a ZXL series transport in about half that time. My Dragon was taken apart in about that time also. Not because its hard, but the plasctic clips that hold the front panel are so fragile and can be broken. Changing pinch rollers and belts (where applicable) should not be very hard or complex things. Otherwise, the service department would be bogged down by what would have been very simple things. Pulling the pinch rollers out does not require any form of gauges. It does need a good set of tools and a steady hand to make sure you do not damage the black housing when removing the clips. However, re-assembly needs some alignment. But its not tedious nor impossible.&nb! sp;All this boils down to my closing statements in my reply. That he gets a competent person to do the once over and me asking where he is, so that I or anyone else can recommend the usual established sources for proper help. If at all, something as bad and complex as the scenario you mentioned had happened, I would let someone from ESL or Bowers and Wilkins have a thorough look thru and come to this conclusion. I prefer not to scare or pull a fast one on an avid user who is burning with excitement in getting his hands on a Nakamichi. And a Dragon no less. Welcome to the club Zsolt. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: I am sorry to intervene and say that there is no worn rollar problem! causes chewing but improper tape back tension causes it along with NAAC mistracking. This deck needs experienced ( Dragon experience particularly Trouble shooting NAAC and DD motor servo contro issues electronic and mechanical) tech to attend to faults causing these symptoms. the symptoms clearly speak of NAAC problem coupled probably with head alignment and DD servo control causing NAAC to misbehave. Newbie attending to repair might cause bizarre unexpected new problems. Let a good service tech attend to Dragon problems rather than try all type of speculative repair. Stephen personally confided that many Dragons reach him after half baked repair techniques on them causing more work from the experienced tech. This is my two cents thoughts after working with many dragons with varying symptoms. Kannan PS : do not change pinch rollars in Dragon unless it is proven that it is ! faulty ( rarely the case in my experience) It needs Original Nak alignment Gauges and extreme patience to pull out the pinch rollar. Just to pull out the transport would require two hour labour for an experienced tech. It needs special attention to two tape guide blocks on both sides which swing to engage in one direction tape movement while disengage in the opposite direction (special to Dragon)- looks simple but damage to this or misalignment might render Dragon impossible to correct. It would cause tape pinching on both the directions if misaligned.Also note that Pinch rollar guide block nut is unusual not like many other classic nak transport! Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Zsolt, First, the chewing of the tape points to worn pinch rollers. The clicking could be a loose cam motor belt thought. Because when the deck auto-reverses, the rollers tend to skew the tape to one side. Hence, NAAC cannot do a optimum calibration. I would suggest you get someone competent to change the pinch rollers, belts and give a deck a good once over. It would add a little to the high amount you may have invested in the machine. But without it, you would never be able to enjoy its full result. Where are you located? Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Dear Naktalk friends, I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my Dragon, and how to solve it. There are several problems I have experienced: - During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, - At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound quality as well as the level shown on the display drops dramatically - Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, - The clicking noises are also! produced during recording! Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big investment in my scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. Any idea, hint is appreciated ! Thanks in advance ! Zsolt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ya! hoo! 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New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 25 16:48:53 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:48:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <005a01c63a05$4e40b9b0$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Message-ID: <20060225154853.15936.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Zsolt, Yes Bowers and Wilkins is a wise decision. They will do a repair and thorough work on the unit. It will be an added expense, but treat it as an investment, your unit will work for years without trouble. Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Hi Bala, Thanks for your and all the others' advices ! Today I made a very, very thorough cleaning of the pinch rollers, the capstans, the tape guides, and of course the heads. Unfortunately the problems did not change. I do have the feeling, that the end of this story will be Bowers and Wilkins. I have already sent an e-mail to them concering repair cost estimates. If it will be a more or less reasonable cost probably I will send my darling to them for a complete renewal. In fact the cost of the safe and fast delivery from Hungary to UK is rather high, so in case of I decide to send it over I want to get a 'better than new' unit back, and than I am finished with the problems for quite some time. I do not intend to do the repairs - with the exception of really, really simple ones - by myself or to let anybody with limited or no experience at all to touch my baby. Well... I'm just jelous, you know... ; ) Thanks, to all of you, and best regards: Zsolt ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problems Hi, Firstly, he is having problems with mostly new tapes, which I note are thinner then their 80s predecessors. The only tape that works for him are BASF tapes. I think a number of experienced nakkers will attest that chewed tapes can happen on many decks of various makes and models. And that most times, its the pinch rollers. The Dragon, like any other cassette deck, has pinch rollers. So when it starts chewing up precious tapes, first check the rollers. To say that the problem lies in a bevey of systems all going wrong at one go is simply hard to believe. Unless he's spilled some wine into the deck or an infant pulled it off the rack. The Dragon uses the classic mechanism.However, between all the models that use the classic mechanisms, there have been changes and differences. The Dragon also has a changes. But the Dr! agon does not use any special block buts. The two pinch rollers (Assy Supply Pressure Roller - D02 and Assy Take-Up Roller - D03) are held in place using a small washer and e-clip. To get to that assembly is in fact, the harder part. But that does not require two hours! I can and have taken out a ZXL series transport in about half that time. My Dragon was taken apart in about that time also. Not because its hard, but the plasctic clips that hold the front panel are so fragile and can be broken. Changing pinch rollers and belts (where applicable) should not be very hard or complex things. Otherwise, the service department would be bogged down by what would have been very simple things. Pulling the pinch rollers out does not require any form of gauges. It does need a good set of tools and a steady hand to make sure you do not damage the black housing when removing the clips. However, re-assembly needs some alignment. But its not tedious nor impossible.&nb! sp;All this boils down to my closing statements in my reply. That he gets a competent person to do the once over and me asking where he is, so that I or anyone else can recommend the usual established sources for proper help. If at all, something as bad and complex as the scenario you mentioned had happened, I would let someone from ESL or Bowers and Wilkins have a thorough look thru and come to this conclusion. I prefer not to scare or pull a fast one on an avid user who is burning with excitement in getting his hands on a Nakamichi. And a Dragon no less. Welcome to the club Zsolt. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: I am sorry to intervene and say that there is no worn rollar problem! causes chewing but improper tape back tension causes it along with NAAC mistracking. This deck needs experienced ( Dragon experience particularly Trouble shooting NAAC and DD motor servo contro issues electronic and mechanical) tech to attend to faults causing these symptoms. the symptoms clearly speak of NAAC problem coupled probably with head alignment and DD servo control causing NAAC to misbehave. Newbie attending to repair might cause bizarre unexpected new problems. Let a good service tech attend to Dragon problems rather than try all type of speculative repair. Stephen personally confided that many Dragons reach him after half baked repair techniques on them causing more work from the experienced tech. This is my two cents thoughts after working with many dragons with varying symptoms. Kannan PS : do not change pinch rollars in Dragon unless it is proven that it is ! faulty ( rarely the case in my experience) It needs Original Nak alignment Gauges and extreme patience to pull out the pinch rollar. Just to pull out the transport would require two hour labour for an experienced tech. It needs special attention to two tape guide blocks on both sides which swing to engage in one direction tape movement while disengage in the opposite direction (special to Dragon)- looks simple but damage to this or misalignment might render Dragon impossible to correct. It would cause tape pinching on both the directions if misaligned.Also note that Pinch rollar guide block nut is unusual not like many other classic nak transport! Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Zsolt, First, the chewing of the tape points to worn pinch rollers. The clicking could be a loose cam motor belt thought. Because when the deck auto-reverses, the rollers tend to skew the tape to one side. Hence, NAAC cannot do a optimum calibration. I would suggest you get someone competent to change the pinch rollers, belts and give a deck a good once over. It would add a little to the high amount you may have invested in the machine. But without it, you would never be able to enjoy its full result. Where are you located? Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Dear Naktalk friends, I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my Dragon, and how to solve it. There are several problems I have experienced: - During NAAC sometimes quite loud clicking noises are produced, - At playing reverse NAAC cannot set the azimuth, and the sound quality as well as the level shown on the display drops dramatically - Especially at playing reverse it tends to chew the tape, - The clicking noises are also! produced during recording! Please help me "cure" my Dragon. It was still quite a big investment in my scale and I cannot afford to just let it go. Any idea, hint is appreciated ! Thanks in advance ! Zsolt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ya! hoo! 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New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Feb 25 17:10:24 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:10:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In-Reply-To: <43FFCE25.5020207@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: I've always recorded with Dolby C (except for the early days of Dolby) and if you try to do the reduced treble trick on a non Dolby deck with a Dolby C cassette, it doesn't sound very good, does it? I used to do that with Dolby B tapes and it worked fairly well though, certainly better then playing back non Dolby recorded tapes and cutting treble to get rid of hiss and losing highs as a result. Just a few points we can ponder if wanting to play tapes in hostile environments (car or boom box, walkman, etc.): Is it worth it to take your original high end recorded tapes and risk ruining them by decks with magnetized heads and guide paths, etc., or risk the physical damage of that environment.. hot car, sand, dirt, moisture, etc.? The best practice would seem to be to save your high end recorded tapes and make copies for non home us, but.. Second generation tapes with Dolby B or C sound pretty bad, maybe not too bad using two Naks calibrated correctly, but still not that great, especially with most decent Car and portable players, with or with out Dolby. I just duplicated a lot of my home tapes for just that purpose, and it worked, but the originals still sound a lot better. Probably the most successful dupe recording would be with non music recordings of speech, etc., and if it's non-Dolby, or Dolby recorded, probably the best choice for speech or music would be to record with Dolby B for compatibility with other decks, and just cut treble control a bit in play back on non Dolby decks. But making dupe tapes takes a lot of time For me, personally, I have found the best answer is to record my high quality home Nak music tapes to digital wav, organize them how I want into collections, then burn them to music CDs or MP3 CDs for use in external places. Once they are in digital wav format, the organizing and reproduction can be done easily and quickly with no signal loss, even MP3 on it's highest setting is pretty darn good. These sound a lot better then duped cassette tapes, are much less likely to get ruined, can be easily and quickly reburned if they do get hurt, can be easily re-burned with a different list of material I like if I decide I am tired of some of the content, and it safeguards my original tapes. Any thoughts, gentlemen? :~) Kermit: "It's also why I'm developing a cassette deck that is as quiet as a Dolby deck, but needs no noise reduction to be that quiet." That sounds interesting, but even if you could get rid of the deck's generated noise, how would you deal with the small, cassette tape format, existing tape noise itself, which is the cause of most of the noise in cassettes? Doane ---------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 7:25 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still Hi David, David Edwards wrote: > Thank you so much everyone for the very comprehensive answers. I will > endeavour to put your valued advice into action. > > Two questions though: > 1. I suppose I can assume that my car deck - a Blaupunkt OSLO has no > Dolby ability as there are no buttons associated with it. I think that's correct. > Is it a safe assumption to think that a deck would say so, if it was > using Dolby? Yes, it will have the "Double D" logo displayed on it as a requirement of Dolby Lab's licensing terms. > Does every deck with Dolby facilities include a switch to > turn it off? No, but most will. As an example, many 1990s-vintage GM factory autosound cassette players (especially in the Cadillac line) have Dolby NR but no ON/OFF selector. Bad idea. > 2. How can I tell if my original BBC spoken voice tapes used Dolby in > their production? Do tapes made with it have it written on the cassette > shell? The cassette labels will have the "Double D" logo displayed on it as a acknowledgement of Dolby Lab's legal rights to the noise reduction. At one time a studio had to have a license to use Dolby NR on cassette copies (but not master tapes), but I'm unsure if that is still in force. No Double D logo? Then it's safe to assume no Dolby NR. All the problems with Dolby compatibility, and their costly licenses, are why I didn't use it for my studios high-speed-duped cassette copies. (Ok, that and high-speed duped cassettes sound nasty enough as it is.) It's also why I'm developing a cassette deck that is as quiet as a Dolby deck, but needs no noise reduction to be that quiet. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From terry.harding at shaw.ca Sat Feb 25 18:19:21 2006 From: terry.harding at shaw.ca (Terence Harding) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:19:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a rack mount kit for a Nak 480 Message-ID: I have a 1982 Nak 480 in like new condition. I am reorganizing my equipment and am in need of a rack mount kit for my 480. Can anyone help me? Terry From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Feb 25 18:32:43 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:32:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Message-ID: <440094BB.10607@rcn.com> I am planning on doing some work on my CR-7, that will certainly require recalibration of equalization. Since the deck hasn't been touched in several years (but was used quite often), I figured a complete recalibration would be a good idea. Unfortunately, this is something I cannot do, lacking standard tapes, not to mention, special gauges. I wrote Jeff of ESL, asking for price. Jeff's quote was a wide range, the high side of which I do not wish to spend; he wouldn't narrow it down any further. I also emailed Stephen (who did a bang up job the last time) but received no answer. I have two questions. First, does anyone one have the current email address for Stephen (the one I have could be obsolete)? I will be grateful for any information, such as, is he still in the business of servicing Nak decks? Second, can anyone recommend some other service depot for Nakamichi decks in the New England area? Boston area will be best, but I am willing to drive far... Thanks in advance to all, -- Ron From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 25 18:55:12 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:55:12 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c63a34$9ffce7e0$3bb587d9@oemcomputer> In my car - a Ford Fiesta Ghia - there is no point in recording in Dolby because the cassette/radio doesn't have a Dolby circuit. And even if it did, it would matter much because (like most cars?) it isn't so quiet running on the road (engine and tyre noise) that you would hear the benefits! Same goes for my other car, a Ford Mondeo, although that one does have switchable Dolby NR. Unless you have sound proofed your Chevy truck, or whatever it is you drive, to be as quiet as a top end limo, it seems to me to be a waste of money to buy good tapes to play only in the car ... and no advantage in using Dolby. My 2 cents ... Gra' > > Any thoughts, gentlemen? :~) > > > > > Doane > ---------------------- > > > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 25 19:28:06 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:28:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Dragon problems In-Reply-To: <20060225144656.31667.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060225182807.97302.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, My intention is not to start a flame war. But I do believe I have a right to defend myself from such defamatory remarks. Before you get the idea that I am some careless young chap who has 'tons' of equipment to spare on destructive experiments let me clear this up. I have been working on servicing equipment since the age of 9 and have been through it with experienced technicians from places like Aiwa, Sony, Teac, Nakamichi and Studer/Revox. My equipment was not picked from the trash heap but purchased from collectors who were confident that I would keep it going. The fact that ALL my Nakamichis are in working order, including all 5 ZXL series decks would attest to the fact that they are not experiment pieces. So please Kannan stay cool because you didn't finance my machines neither my experiments. I need not relate to you how much my technical coverage is on Nakamichi equipment, let alone Dragons. But having graduated in both electronics and mechanical, I do not just blindly plunge into these works of precise art.But the fact that I repaired and maintain all my 24 cassette and 16 reel to reel decks means I do know what I am doing. And I have much personal training from service personal and engineers from firms like Aiwa, Teac, Tandberg, Studer/Revox and Nakamichi among others. I do not see you fit enough to question my experience or aptitude. While yes I do have a source of pinch rollers and belts and other sought after parts, I do not intent to make a fast buck out of my fellow Nakkers here. To me, Nakamichi is my pleasure, my hobby. I extend my technical knowledge in keeping it going for the day my children would push the power button on my ZXL. I do not see it as a means of making ends meet. However, that does not mean I mislead others with poor or wrong information. Kannan, I never have had any issues here with anyone. And I am not afraid of admitting of any error on my part. Rebutt me if you like, but keep the defamatory remarks to yourself. I do not wish to carry on with this anymore further. Any further such mails from you would mean I will report to the administration of Naktalk. Right now, I am retiring to my VPI TNT for some quality vinyl playback - hardly stuff you would 'experiment' with. Bala Ganesh kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Thanks Zsoft for letting know the decision. Since Bala does not seem to understamd my statement very clearly. it is not meant to scare anybody- I would be happy to help somebody to experiment replacing pinch rollar on a Dragon - provided that he has some very important gauges that are not available easily today. I spent more than 2000 $ on these gauges from Nkamaichi Japan 5 years back to repair my Dragon and I know why I say something here very clearly. Bala seems to think I am in the way of anybody trying out - yes sir you are encouraged to learn provided you have one more Dragon or do not worry about the consequences of trying repair a Dragon for the first time. fianlly have some of these gauges in hand before you attempt. Also make sure you get replacement pinch rollars ( are they available freely? )before you try anything at all. I am really surprised by statements from him without ever having the experience of removing a Dragon' pinch rollar after removing the entire mechanism out of th cahassis. Secondly imagine some one who does not have specific alignment gauges or understanding of guid block importance in a Nak dragon trying to remove the pinch rollar block ? What would be the consequence unless he is Bala who has tons of Nakamichi to experiment and probably do not mind getting stuck with unrepairable Dragon? I do not mean to prevent any newbie trying out here but to caution any newbie to know the limits. I can more than suggest here methods provided somebody is willing to experiment inspite of loosing a Dragon to learn what i had learned over the years. Surely from the symptoms - I have repaired one Dragon ( kept in storage for more than 5 years ) which went to Ken Kirkpatrick in this forum. You also saw his reply. Please take a moment to go throug Stephen Sank' reports in Naktalk archive regarding pinch rollars if you have the patience. I am not happy with the way Stephen treated many customers like me ( by not responding to related to my own equipment ) but have given very valuable clear and correct repair suggestions in this forum. Let people judge statement from Mr. Bala based on their own experience. kannan Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Hi Bala, Thanks for your and all the others' advices ! Today I made a very, very thorough cleaning of the pinch rollers, the capstans, the tape guides, and of course the heads. Unfortunately the problems did not change. I do have the feeling, that the end of this story will be Bowers and Wilkins. I have already sent an e-mail to them concering repair cost estimates. If it will be a more or less reasonable cost probably I will send my darling to them for a complete renewal. In fact the cost of the safe and fast delivery from Hungary to UK is rather high, so in case of I decide to send it over I want to get a 'better than new' unit back, and than I am finished with the problems for quite some time. I do not intend to do the repairs - with the exception of really, really simple ones - by myself or to let anybody with limited or no experience at all to touch my baby. Well... I'm just jelous, you know... ; ) Thanks, to all of you, and best regards: Zsolt ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problems Hi, Firstly, he is having problems with mostly new tapes, which I note are thinner then their 80s predecessors. The only tape that works for him are BASF tapes. I think a number of experienced nakkers will attest that chewed tapes can happen on many decks of various makes and models. And that most times, its the pinch rollers. The Dragon, like any other cassette deck, has pinch rollers. So when it sta! rts chewing up precious tapes, first check the rollers. To say that the problem lies in a bevey of systems all going wrong at one go is simply hard to believe. Unless he's spilled some wine into the deck or an infant pulled it off the rack. The Dragon uses the classic mechanism.However, between all the models that use the classic mechanisms, there have been changes and differences. The Dragon also has a changes. But the Dr! agon does not use any special block buts. The two pinch rollers (Assy Supply Pressure Roller - D02 and Assy Take-Up Roller - D03) are held in place using a small washer and e-clip. To get to that assembly is in fact, the harder part. But that does not require two hours! I can and have taken out a ZXL series transport in about half that time. My Dragon was taken apart in about that time also. Not because its hard, but the plasctic clips that hold the front panel are so fragile and can be broken. Changing ! pinch rollers and belts (where applicable) should not be very hard or complex things. Otherwise, the service department would be bogged down by what would have been very simple things. Pulling the pinch rollers out does not require any form of gauges. It does need a good set of tools and a steady hand to make sure you do not damage the black housing when removing the clips. However, re-assembly needs some alignment. But its not tedious nor impossible.&nb! sp;All this boils down to my closing statements in my reply. That he gets a competent person to do the once over and me asking where he is, so that I or anyone else can recommend the usual established sources for proper help. If at all, something as bad and complex as the scenario you mentioned had happened, I would let someone from ESL or Bowers and Wilkins have a thorough look thru and come to this conclusion. I prefer not to scare or pull a fast! one on an avid user who is burning with excitement in getting his hands on a Nakamichi. And a Dragon no less. Welcome to the club Zsolt. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: I am sorry to intervene and say that there is no worn rollar problem! causes chewing but improper tape back tension causes it along with NAAC mistracking. This deck needs experienced ( Dragon experience particularly Trouble shooting NAAC and DD motor servo contro issues electronic and mechanical) tech to attend to faults causing these symptoms. the symptoms clearly speak of NAAC problem coupled probably with head alignment and DD servo control causing NAAC to misbehave. Newbie attending to repair might cause bizarre unexpected n! ew problems. Let a good service tech attend to Dragon problems rather than try all type of speculative repair. Stephen personally confided that many Dragons reach him after half baked repair techniques on them causing more work from the experienced tech. This is my two cents thoughts after working with many dragons with varying symptoms. Kannan PS : do not change pinch rollars in Dragon unless it is proven that it is ! faulty ( rarely the case in my experience) It needs Original Nak alignment Gauges and extreme patience to pull out the pinch rollar. Just to pull out the transport would require two hour labour for an experienced tech. It needs special attention to two tape guide blocks on both sides which swing to engage in one direction tape movement while disengage in the opposite direction (special to Dragon)- looks simple but damage to this or misalignment might render Dragon imp! ossible to correct. It would cause tape pinching on both the directions if misaligned.Also note that Pinch rollar guide block nut is unusual not like many other classic nak transport! Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Zsolt, First, the chewing of the tape points to worn pinch rollers. The clicking could be a loose cam motor belt thought. Because when the deck auto-reverses, the rollers tend to skew the tape to one side. Hence, NAAC cannot do a optimum calibration. I would suggest you get someone competent to change the pinch rollers, belts and give a deck a good once over. It would add a little to the high amount you may have invested in the machine. But without it, you would! never be able to enjoy its full result. Where are you located? Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Dear Naktalk friends, I need your experience and expertise to find out what's wrong with my Dragon, and how to solve it. 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I agree, as you said, "it seems to me to be a waste of money to buy good tapes to play only in the car" That's why I brought up the other point about recording to digital format. To me it also makes no point to spend the money, and more importantly spend the time, to record cassettes for playing only in the car or other non home location; it makes much more sense to use inexpensive CDs that can be done in just a few minutes of recording time and not worry if they get hurt. Doane ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:55 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In my car - a Ford Fiesta Ghia - there is no point in recording in Dolby because the cassette/radio doesn't have a Dolby circuit. And even if it did, it would matter much because (like most cars?) it isn't so quiet running on the road (engine and tyre noise) that you would hear the benefits! Same goes for my other car, a Ford Mondeo, although that one does have switchable Dolby NR. Unless you have sound proofed your Chevy truck, or whatever it is you drive, to be as quiet as a top end limo, it seems to me to be a waste of money to buy good tapes to play only in the car ... and no advantage in using Dolby. My 2 cents ... Gra' > > Any thoughts, gentlemen? :~) > > > > > Doane > ---------------------- > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alex at autoconsortium.com Sat Feb 25 21:41:38 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:41:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <440094BB.10607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <200602251942.k1PJgSfL015284@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Ditto that on Jeff of ESL. He is, no doubt, one of, if not the finest Nak repairperson around, however, I can get my Porsche 911 worked on for less than what he charges to work on Nak's. However, it all goes back to the good ole' saying, 'you get what you pay for'. Alex Cagann > I wrote Jeff of ESL, asking for price. Jeff's quote > was a wide range, the high side of which I do not > wish to spend; he wouldn't narrow it down any further. > > I also emailed Stephen (who did a bang up job the last > time) but received no answer. > > I have two questions. First, does anyone one have the > current email address for Stephen (the one I have could > be obsolete)? I will be grateful for any information, > such as, is he still in the business of servicing Nak > decks? > > Second, can anyone recommend some other service depot > for Nakamichi decks in the New England area? Boston > area will be best, but I am willing to drive far... > > Thanks in advance to all, > > -- Ron From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 25 21:12:30 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:12:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In-Reply-To: <000001c63a34$9ffce7e0$3bb587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003201c63a47$cf9c8bf0$7300a8c0@Shaun> So, you never sit in the car and just listen whilst you while away away the time, with the engime turned off? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 25 February 2006 17:55 To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In my car - a Ford Fiesta Ghia - there is no point in recording in Dolby because the cassette/radio doesn't have a Dolby circuit. And even if it did, it would matter much because (like most cars?) it isn't so quiet running on the road (engine and tyre noise) that you would hear the benefits! Same goes for my other car, a Ford Mondeo, although that one does have switchable Dolby NR. Unless you have sound proofed your Chevy truck, or whatever it is you drive, to be as quiet as a top end limo, it seems to me to be a waste of money to buy good tapes to play only in the car ... and no advantage in using Dolby. My 2 cents ... Gra' > > Any thoughts, gentlemen? :~) > > > > > Doane > ---------------------- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1418 (20060224) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Feb 25 21:36:31 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:36:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still References: Message-ID: <007f01c63a4b$2ab808e0$b5d217c4@home> I think this particular horse is dead now! Please,please may we flog another one? Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doane Hoag" To: "Nelson" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still > Hi, Gra: > > But you have nothing to loose by recording in Dolby, right? What if you > park > at that beautiful vista point and listen to your Mozart recording, or what > if you slip it into your walkman and listen to it, etc., etc., definitely > an > advantage to recording in Dolby, and no advantage that I can see not to. > > And.. all the cars I've owned have been quite quiet enough at city speeds > to > hear the difference, it's only on freeways that I loose the upper > frequencies because of road noise. I don't own limos either, currantly > just > a Toyota SUV. :~) > > And... I agree, as you said, "it seems to me to be a waste of money to buy > good tapes to play only in the car" That's why I brought up the other > point > about recording to digital format. To me it also makes no point to spend > the > money, and more importantly spend the time, to record cassettes for > playing > only in the car or other non home location; it makes much more sense to > use > inexpensive CDs that can be done in just a few minutes of recording time > and > not worry if they get hurt. > > Doane > > ------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:55 AM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still > > > In my car - a Ford Fiesta Ghia - there is no point in recording in Dolby > because the cassette/radio doesn't have a Dolby circuit. And even if it > did, it would matter much because (like most cars?) it isn't so quiet > running on the road (engine and tyre noise) that you would hear the > benefits! Same goes for my other car, a Ford Mondeo, although that one > does > have switchable Dolby NR. Unless you have sound proofed your Chevy truck, > or whatever it is you drive, to be as quiet as a top end limo, it seems to > me to be a waste of money to buy good tapes to play only in the car ... > and > no advantage in using Dolby. > > My 2 cents ... > > Gra' > > >> >> Any thoughts, gentlemen? :~) >> >> >> >> >> Doane >> ---------------------- >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at stager.com Sat Feb 25 21:44:39 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:44:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to Tape Advice In-Reply-To: <200602251032.k1PAVjdL015877@zxe.naks.com> References: <200602251032.k1PAVjdL015877@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060225152226.02a85a10@stager.com> I have several cassette decks I use on a regular basis: Nakamichi 582, MR-1, 682ZX, Tascam 122 III and 122 II They are all carefully aligned with professional, calibrated test cassettes; TEAC MTT-356 for type 2 and 4 tapes, Teac MTT-256 for type 1, and Teac MTT-111NA 3k tone for speed accuracy. All sound exactly the same using high quality metal or type 2 tapes, pink noise in and pink noise (-10dB) out, Dolby on or off. Music is dead on. So I make all my tapes with Dolby B. When I duplicate cassette to cassette I play a 0 level tone and adjust for 0 level playback on the recorder. That gives me an identical level on the dub. After that I don't touch any level controls. The tapes are copied with Dolby OFF for playback and recording. The result is an identical copy with only a trace amount of additional noise. If the cassette I'm copying was recorded with Dolby OFF, it gets played Dolby OFF and I adjust the recorder for the best level and make a copy with Dolby ON. The most important thing to understand is this: If a machine is correctly aligned both mechanically and electronically, whether it is a professional Dolby SR reel to reel mastering deck or the lowest low end cassette deck, the Dolby noise reduction process should make NO PERCEPTIBLE CHANGE IN THE TIMBRE OF MUSIC. Any problems people are having not getting a good sound using Dolby is not the fault of the noise reduction process. Something else is wrong in the signal chain which does not allow it to work correctly. Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ At 05:32 AM 2/25/2006, you wrote:That is my 4 decades of experience....with out any NR system...is "Safe"....Dolby NR B, came very late with the Philips cassette medium, before with Reel to Reel...my two machines were with NO NR system at all...& sound lovely...I continue recording with my Dragon with NR OFF...sastifies me 100% Alex Cozac From: "Nelson" References: <200602251100.k1PB0AFo015967@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060225154525.02a8eb30@stager.com> Isopropyl or rubbing alcohol will probably work, but be very careful about using it near the writing on the front panel. Used carelessly you could wipe off it off. I would try Windex or 409 cleaner first. -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- What can I do to clean the front plate of the Nak? I recently bought a silver BX-2, but there are little drips everywhere that won't come off with water. Antoine Deschênes From: "Doane Hoag" At 06:00 AM 2/25/2006, you wrote: try rubbing alcohol Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 25 22:33:07 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:33:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001801c63a53$11670aa0$3bb587d9@oemcomputer> Hi Doane Ah, then you may have quieter cars and better roads in the US than we do in the UK, but I take your point regarding listening through a walkman (although I'd never use one as I can't find one that will give me mono o/p ... being deaf in one ear, I have no use for stereo headphones unless I can switch the o/p to mono. But as for using the car cassette players when the vehicle is not moving ... to be honest, I don't think the bog standard cassette/radio machines and speakers we get in UK cars, not even in Fords, are good enough to be called hi fi let alone to benefit from Dolby. (Maybe it's a different matter if one spends $$$s on a decent in car sound system?) Thence, I don't think I'd even bother burning CDs for the car but would probably go down the MD route as the sonics (for over here) would be good enough and the medium is probably even safer for banging around in a dirty, sometimes too hot, car than a CD. Cheers Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: Doane Hoag [mailto:rob at rhoag.com] > Sent: 25 February 2006 19:28 > To: Nelson; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still > > > Hi, Gra: > > But you have nothing to loose by recording in Dolby, right? What > if you park > at that beautiful vista point and listen to your Mozart recording, or what > if you slip it into your walkman and listen to it, etc., etc., > definitely an > advantage to recording in Dolby, and no advantage that I can see not to. > > And.. all the cars I've owned have been quite quiet enough at > city speeds to > hear the difference, it's only on freeways that I loose the upper > frequencies because of road noise. I don't own limos either, > currantly just > a Toyota SUV. :~) > > And... I agree, as you said, "it seems to me to be a waste of money to buy > good tapes to play only in the car" That's why I brought up the > other point > about recording to digital format. To me it also makes no point > to spend the > money, and more importantly spend the time, to record cassettes > for playing > only in the car or other non home location; it makes much more > sense to use > inexpensive CDs that can be done in just a few minutes of > recording time and > not worry if they get hurt. > > Doane > From N4229K at aol.com Sat Feb 25 22:57:21 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:57:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a rack mount kit for a Nak 480 Message-ID: <84.560cd640.31322cc1@aol.com> Hi I have some rack mounts for a BX-300 witch I don't use. I have a 480 on the rework shelf I can see if they'll fit on if your interested. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From araba at hot.ee Sat Feb 25 23:31:36 2006 From: araba at hot.ee (Andres Raba) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:31:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX idler In-Reply-To: <200602222347.k1MNlcVY003985@zxe.naks.com> References: <200602222347.k1MNlcVY003985@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4400DAC8.9000205@hot.ee> Thanks Bala and Kannan! Kannan mentioned that the rubber part is glued to the base brass wheel. Are some of the idler wheels made entirely of brass? Here's a picture of one idler which surely is plastic: http://bokenasu.oops.jp/ZX7/ZX7_8.JPG (it's from the ZX-7 rehab page: http://bokenasu.oops.jp/ZX7/zx7.htm) I think the bearing inside the plastic wheel is brass. I don't believe the plastic part is sitting directly on the steel shaft, or does it? But I wonder, why the rubber coating on the picture is made of two seemingly separate parts with a slit between them? It's supposed to be one T-shaped tire. Sorry, I'm just curious about little details... No big significance... Andres naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX idler > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:21:41 -0800 (PST) > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Hi, > > Are you referring to the brass centred idler tire being in the > classic mechanism? I replaced a idler wheel on my 1000ZXL, which shares > the same transport as the 680ZX (classic mechanism). The idler tire is a > while plastic disc with a deep groove in the middle. A rubber insert > with a T cross-section is inserted into the groove around the disc. Only > the top flat portion of the T is visible and comes into contact with the > supply / take-up spools and brass spindle. They all should have the same > idler wheel. While the transports are similiar, they all differ > slightly. I have noticed differences in the transport between the 68X > series, ZX: series and Dragon. This particular component, however is the > same. > > Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > Yes yes -YES > except there is no tire like the ones in Sankyo but rubber part glued to > the base brass wheel. > kannan > > */Andres Raba /* wrote: > > Hello, > > Does the 680ZX have the same supply-takeup idler tire as Dragon and > ZX-7? In other words, are all the classic Nakamichi transports with the > same big idler wheel and idler tire? Identical dimensions? > > Andres From araba at hot.ee Sun Feb 26 00:01:30 2006 From: araba at hot.ee (Andres Raba) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:01:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX idler In-Reply-To: <200602222347.k1MNlcVY003985@zxe.naks.com> References: <200602222347.k1MNlcVY003985@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4400E1CA.40604@hot.ee> Hi Dean, Liberman Sound has them. These are not made by Nakamichi, but "almost perfect fit and brand new" (quote from product description). $10 apiece. http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=67 The new type for Sankyo mechanism is here: http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=53 Andres ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is not affiliated with Liberman Sound and should not be taken as endorsement of the products in any legal meaning. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX idler > From: N4229K at aol.com > Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:06:48 EST > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Are there tires available and if so who has them to sell? I asked ESL > but they are not selling them any more. > Thanks > Dean > From greynolds at newsguy.com Sun Feb 26 00:03:04 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:03:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: <440094BB.10607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <009e01c63a5f$a484f980$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Ron" > I have two questions. First, does anyone one have the > current email address for Stephen (the one I have could > be obsolete)? I will be grateful for any information, > such as, is he still in the business of servicing Nak > decks? Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be pretty hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. > Second, can anyone recommend some other service depot > for Nakamichi decks in the New England area? Boston > area will be best, but I am willing to drive far... Goodwin's High End in Waltham has a very competent crew, but I'm not sure if they have Nak expertise - if you've never been there, it's quite an experience as they carry some stunning equipment. I'm sure Tweeter's service department would work on them, but don't think I'd trust them to get it right :). Nothing else comes to mind. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From alex at autoconsortium.com Sun Feb 26 01:38:06 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:38:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <009e01c63a5f$a484f980$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: <200602252339.k1PNcufL016494@kropotkin.circlecity.net> I must have missed something. What happened? Alex C. > Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be pretty > hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Feb 26 01:27:48 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:27:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4400F604.60901@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Kermit: "It's also why I'm developing a cassette deck that is as quiet as a > Dolby > deck, but needs no noise reduction to be that quiet." > > That sounds interesting, but even if you could get rid of the deck's > generated noise, how would you deal with the small, cassette tape format, > existing tape noise itself, which is the cause of most of the noise in > cassettes? Well, firstly, that is what most of my R&D effort has been about. You've hit the crux of the problem. The exact answer comes under the headings of trade secrets and patent issues. I've found the cause of the cassette tape's inherent noise is, largely, the inability of the deck to magnetize every oxide particle at low flux levels. These low-level unmagnetized particles create random shot noise, heard as hiss. The deck, therefore, must be able to do two things: magnetize every particle at low levels and record at the highest level possible to extend dynamic range. My experiments have yielded, so far, signal-to-noise ratios of -68 dB (IEC A weighted, referred to 165 nW/meter flux levels at 1000 cps) on Quantegy 472 cassettes -- with no noise reduction. The total dynamic range I've achieved in the lab, so far, is 82 dB from noise floor to the onset of tape clipping (or, 5% IMD, 700:4400 cps mixed 4:1). I think I know a way that I can do better, so I'm holding up production of the cassette deck until I've bettered these figures. Obviously, this deck, once it reaches production, will be an extreme piece of engineering. But, it's designed to appeal to those who revel in uncompromised analog. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 01:34:56 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:34:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX idler In-Reply-To: <4400DAC8.9000205@hot.ee> Message-ID: <20060226003456.12351.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Andres, That idler wheel is solid plastic and sits directly on the shaft. It seems split because the second 'wheel' is a piece which I call a tennis racquet. The idler wheel is held to the round portion of the 'racquet' with a spring followed by a big washer, then a small washer and small e-clip. The back portion does not come into contact with the motor spindle. Regards Bala 79Labs Andres Raba wrote: Thanks Bala and Kannan! Kannan mentioned that the rubber part is glued to the base brass wheel. Are some of the idler wheels made entirely of brass? Here's a picture of one idler which surely is plastic: http://bokenasu.oops.jp/ZX7/ZX7_8.JPG (it's from the ZX-7 rehab page: http://bokenasu.oops.jp/ZX7/zx7.htm) I think the bearing inside the plastic wheel is brass. I don't believe the plastic part is sitting directly on the steel shaft, or does it? But I wonder, why the rubber coating on the picture is made of two seemingly separate parts with a slit between them? It's supposed to be one T-shaped tire. Sorry, I'm just curious about little details... No big significance... Andres naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX idler > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:21:41 -0800 (PST) > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Hi, > > Are you referring to the brass centred idler tire being in the > classic mechanism? I replaced a idler wheel on my 1000ZXL, which shares > the same transport as the 680ZX (classic mechanism). The idler tire is a > while plastic disc with a deep groove in the middle. A rubber insert > with a T cross-section is inserted into the groove around the disc. Only > the top flat portion of the T is visible and comes into contact with the > supply / take-up spools and brass spindle. They all should have the same > idler wheel. While the transports are similiar, they all differ > slightly. I have noticed differences in the transport between the 68X > series, ZX: series and Dragon. This particular component, however is the > same. > > Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > Yes yes -YES > except there is no tire like the ones in Sankyo but rubber part glued to > the base brass wheel. > kannan > > */Andres Raba /* wrote: > > Hello, > > Does the 680ZX have the same supply-takeup idler tire as Dragon and > ZX-7? In other words, are all the classic Nakamichi transports with the > same big idler wheel and idler tire? Identical dimensions? > > Andres ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 26 05:49:20 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:49:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still Message-ID: Hi Folks! Gra' you wrote: >And... I agree, as you said, "it seems to me to be a waste of money to buy good tapes to play only in the car"< I dissagree completly...because when I drove my Citroen BX. inside the cabin & more here in Israel, all gets extremely hot. So as I only own an affordable kenwood Radio-Tape unit...I ALWAYS...use TOP brand cassettes (Today mainly Fuji "Z- 2"), 90 minutes in my Kenwood car's unit...Also...IF...something goes wrong inside my car's deck because I "WAS" using a cheap un-reliable cassette...the time to remove the unit from the dashboard...open it and remove the "Stucked" cassette, it;s NO whorty for me...when these top of the line Fuji ones cost me a mere DOLLAR each...here in Israel...so folks explain me WHY to look for a cheaper stuff??? Have a nice weekend! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Nelson" , "Talk about Nakamichi >Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:27:57 -0800 > >Hi, Gra: > >But you have nothing to loose by recording in Dolby, right? What if you >park >at that beautiful vista point and listen to your Mozart recording, or what >if you slip it into your walkman and listen to it, etc., etc., definitely >an >advantage to recording in Dolby, and no advantage that I can see not to. > >And.. all the cars I've owned have been quite quiet enough at city speeds >to >hear the difference, it's only on freeways that I loose the upper >frequencies because of road noise. I don't own limos either, currantly just >a Toyota SUV. :~) > >And... I agree, as you said, "it seems to me to be a waste of money to buy >good tapes to play only in the car" That's why I brought up the other point >about recording to digital format. To me it also makes no point to spend >the >money, and more importantly spend the time, to record cassettes for playing >only in the car or other non home location; it makes much more sense to use >inexpensive CDs that can be done in just a few minutes of recording time >and >not worry if they get hurt. > >Doane > >------------------- > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:55 AM >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still > > >In my car - a Ford Fiesta Ghia - there is no point in recording in Dolby >because the cassette/radio doesn't have a Dolby circuit. And even if it >did, it would matter much because (like most cars?) it isn't so quiet >running on the road (engine and tyre noise) that you would hear the >benefits! Same goes for my other car, a Ford Mondeo, although that one >does >have switchable Dolby NR. Unless you have sound proofed your Chevy truck, >or whatever it is you drive, to be as quiet as a top end limo, it seems to >me to be a waste of money to buy good tapes to play only in the car ... and >no advantage in using Dolby. > >My 2 cents ... > >Gra' > > > > > > Any thoughts, gentlemen? :~) > > > > > > > > > > Doane > > ---------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Feb 26 11:17:57 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:17:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <200602252339.k1PNcufL016494@kropotkin.circlecity.net> References: <009e01c63a5f$a484f980$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> <200602252339.k1PNcufL016494@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Message-ID: <518b7b10602260217o10e41a21ja425a2e22b01acc0@mail.gmail.com> Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I don't even know if he's taking in new work. I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at present. George On 2/26/06, Alex Cagann wrote: > I must have missed something. What happened? > > Alex C. > > > Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be pretty > > hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 26 14:58:04 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:58:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In-Reply-To: <4400F604.60901@woods-and-waters.com> References: <4400F604.60901@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4401B3EC.9030300@rcn.com> I wonder what is the point of reinventing the wheel and coming up with new ways of reducing noise, when standards -- such as Dolby B or DBX -- exist, that have no drawbacks. IOW, what is the advantage of coming up with new schemes that achieve what existing techniques already do quite well. If I understand correctly, you think that hiss is produced because of "the inability of the deck to magnetize every oxide particle at low flux levels". The way this was explained to me, the culprit is the magnetic material itself. Each domain is different, randomly, in size and orientation than other neighboring domains. This inconsistency is the cause of noise. The level of tape noise is far higher than noise from the electronics. I wonder how can the deck alleviate deficiencies inherent in the tape itself. -- Ron Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Doane, > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> Kermit: "It's also why I'm developing a cassette deck that is as quiet >> as a >> Dolby >> deck, but needs no noise reduction to be that quiet." >> >> That sounds interesting, but even if you could get rid of the deck's >> generated noise, how would you deal with the small, cassette tape format, >> existing tape noise itself, which is the cause of most of the noise in >> cassettes? > > Well, firstly, that is what most of my R&D effort has been about. You've > hit the crux of the problem. The exact answer comes under the headings > of trade secrets and patent issues. I've found the cause of the cassette > tape's inherent noise is, largely, the inability of the deck to > magnetize every oxide particle at low flux levels. These low-level > unmagnetized particles create random shot noise, heard as hiss. > > The deck, therefore, must be able to do two things: magnetize every > particle at low levels and record at the highest level possible to > extend dynamic range. My experiments have yielded, so far, > signal-to-noise ratios of -68 dB (IEC A weighted, referred to 165 > nW/meter flux levels at 1000 cps) on Quantegy 472 cassettes -- with no > noise reduction. > > The total dynamic range I've achieved in the lab, so far, is 82 dB from > noise floor to the onset of tape clipping (or, 5% IMD, 700:4400 cps > mixed 4:1). I think I know a way that I can do better, so I'm holding up > production of the cassette deck until I've bettered these figures. > Obviously, this deck, once it reaches production, will be an extreme > piece of engineering. But, it's designed to appeal to those who revel in > uncompromised analog. > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Feb 26 15:57:45 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:57:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In-Reply-To: <4401B3EC.9030300@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002201c63ae5$01b26c70$7300a8c0@Shaun> >..I wonder how can the deck alleviate deficiencies >..inherent in the tape itself. I imagine by doing something either before or during the recording process that once done changes the properties of the magnetic particles in such a way that the end result is less hiss Perhaps there is even an underlying reason for the R & D. Maybe, just maybe, Dolby laboratories might get wind of the research and buy it out for a substantial sum of money! After all, the motor industry has long been guilty of that trick/ Shaun From rob at rhoag.com Sun Feb 26 17:19:11 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:19:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <518b7b10602260217o10e41a21ja425a2e22b01acc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and find out what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted on Naktalk? Doane ------------------ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I don't even know if he's taking in new work. I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at present. George On 2/26/06, Alex Cagann wrote: > I must have missed something. What happened? > > Alex C. > > > Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be pretty > > hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alex at autoconsortium.com Sun Feb 26 19:12:58 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:12:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <518b7b10602260217o10e41a21ja425a2e22b01acc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602261713.k1QHDofL032339@kropotkin.circlecity.net> I'm sorry to hear that. I sent him my Dragon about 5 years ago, and I got it back very quick, and working 100% and the work was primo quality and an excellent value. That is too bad. I hope he is OK, and I wish him the best. He is a great asset to Nak fans. Alex C. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of george valkov > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:18 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe > even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't > hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few > list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby > dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very > bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. > > I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's > accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I > don't even know if he's taking in new work. > > I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive > impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick > turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at > present. > > George From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 26 18:45:33 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:45:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4401E93D.4010002@xs4all.nl> His last post is from the end of march 2004, the email address he used then is not subscribed anymore to naktalk. Wouter Doane Hoag wrote: > Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and find out > what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted on Naktalk? > > Doane > > ------------------ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of george valkov > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:18 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe > even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't > hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few > list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby > dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very > bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. > > I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's > accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I > don't even know if he's taking in new work. > > I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive > impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick > turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at > present. > > George > > On 2/26/06, Alex Cagann wrote: > >> I must have missed something. What happened? >> >> Alex C. >> >> >>> Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be pretty >>> hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. >>> From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Feb 26 19:12:43 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:12:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <4401E93D.4010002@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000001c63b00$3e03e800$7300a8c0@Shaun> Does Stepehen Sank live in Lone Oak Texas? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: 26 February 2006 17:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank His last post is from the end of march 2004, the email address he used then is not subscribed anymore to naktalk. Wouter Doane Hoag wrote: > Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and find > out what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted > on Naktalk? > > Doane > > ------------------ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of george valkov > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:18 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe > even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't > hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few > list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby > dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very > bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. > > I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's > accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I > don't even know if he's taking in new work. > > I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive > impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick > turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at > present. > > George > > On 2/26/06, Alex Cagann wrote: > >> I must have missed something. What happened? >> >> Alex C. >> >> >>> Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be >>> pretty hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1419 (20060226) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Sun Feb 26 19:57:20 2006 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:57:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3BD1878@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> What about Q Audio on Vassar Street near MIT in Cambridge, MA? They deal in new and used high-end stuff, think they do repairs or would have a referral. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of greynolds at newsguy.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:03 PM To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank From: "Ron" > I have two questions. First, does anyone one have the current email > address for Stephen (the one I have could be obsolete)? I will be > grateful for any information, such as, is he still in the business of > servicing Nak decks? Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be pretty hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. > Second, can anyone recommend some other service depot for Nakamichi > decks in the New England area? Boston area will be best, but I am > willing to drive far... Goodwin's High End in Waltham has a very competent crew, but I'm not sure if they have Nak expertise - if you've never been there, it's quite an experience as they carry some stunning equipment. I'm sure Tweeter's service department would work on them, but don't think I'd trust them to get it right :). Nothing else comes to mind. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 26 21:17:31 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:17:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003e01c63b11$ac431c80$4d8d87d9@oemcomputer> Stephen used to be one of the most active members on this board but his contributions became less until he eventually vanished altogether and stopped answering emails and telephone calls. For whatever reason, it seems he has chosen to stay out of the light, probably because he is too busy I imagine. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 26 February 2006 16:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and find out > what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted > on Naktalk? > > Doane > > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Feb 26 21:36:21 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:36:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <000001c63b00$3e03e800$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <000201c63b14$4ee20da0$7300a8c0@Shaun> I have just heard froma friend of Stephen Sank who says: "...You can mention that one of his friends is trying to find out where he is..." I'll fill you in when and if I hear any more. Shaun From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Feb 26 22:26:04 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:26:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In-Reply-To: <4400F604.60901@woods-and-waters.com> References: <4400F604.60901@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <44021CEC.7090007@yahoo.ca> Mmmm... A good cassette deck! What if you apply your r&d to r2r tapes? It's gonna be better than the current R2Rs? Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hi Doane, > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> Kermit: "It's also why I'm developing a cassette deck that is as >> quiet as a >> Dolby >> deck, but needs no noise reduction to be that quiet." >> Mmmm, good deck! >> That sounds interesting, but even if you could get rid of the deck's >> generated noise, how would you deal with the small, cassette tape >> format, >> existing tape noise itself, which is the cause of most of the noise in >> cassettes? > > Well, firstly, that is what most of my R&D effort has been about. > You've hit the crux of the problem. The exact answer comes under the > headings of trade secrets and patent issues. I've found the cause of > the cassette tape's inherent noise is, largely, the inability of the > deck to magnetize every oxide particle at low flux levels. These > low-level unmagnetized particles create random shot noise, heard as hiss. > > The deck, therefore, must be able to do two things: magnetize every > particle at low levels and record at the highest level possible to > extend dynamic range. My experiments have yielded, so far, > signal-to-noise ratios of -68 dB (IEC A weighted, referred to 165 > nW/meter flux levels at 1000 cps) on Quantegy 472 cassettes -- with no > noise reduction. > > The total dynamic range I've achieved in the lab, so far, is 82 dB > from noise floor to the onset of tape clipping (or, 5% IMD, 700:4400 > cps mixed 4:1). I think I know a way that I can do better, so I'm > holding up production of the cassette deck until I've bettered these > figures. Obviously, this deck, once it reaches production, will be an > extreme piece of engineering. But, it's designed to appeal to those > who revel in uncompromised analog. > From rob at rhoag.com Sun Feb 26 22:52:57 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:52:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <518b7b10602260217o10e41a21ja425a2e22b01acc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and find out what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted on Naktalk? Doane ------------------ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I don't even know if he's taking in new work. I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at present. George On 2/26/06, Alex Cagann wrote: > I must have missed something. What happened? > > Alex C. > > > Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be pretty > > hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 27 01:06:10 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:06:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In-Reply-To: <002201c63ae5$01b26c70$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <002201c63ae5$01b26c70$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <44024272.9090600@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: >>..I wonder how can the deck alleviate deficiencies >>..inherent in the tape itself. > > > I imagine by doing something either before or during the recording process > that once done changes the properties of the magnetic particles in such a > way that the end result is less hiss Conceptually, yes. That's it exactly. The "something either before or during the recording process" is the subject of upcoming patents and -- for now -- trade secrets, as I'm sure you appreciate. I was nervous that someone had already done this -- after all magnetic recording is old tech, but to my delight, after extensive patent searches, no one's thought of the process. Nice. I've been working on this idea for 15 years. Finally got it to work, albeit only in a lab environment. Now, I have to make it practical enough to commercialize it. Not too difficult, just time-consuming. > Perhaps there is even an underlying reason for the R & D. Vanity. No new technology of any note has advanced analog recording since the late 1970s or early 1980s. So, I wanted to be the guy to push the state of analog art ahead by solving one of the last two unsolved problems of analog recording - flutter-and-wow, and inherent tape noise. By the way, modern cassette tapes are very quiet as-is. I could make a cassette deck today that has a signal-to-noise ratio of -60 dB or even -62 dB -- with NO noise reduction -- WITHOUT doing anything more than simply making very quiet audio electronics for it. That's as good as many Dolby B decks of the past. Groooooooovy. > Maybe, just maybe, > Dolby laboratories might get wind of the research and buy it out for a > substantial sum of money! After all, the motor industry has long been guilty > of that trick/ I'm greedy. There's not going to be any sell-out to another company. Licensing, yes. Sell-out, no. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Feb 27 01:10:53 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:10:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still In-Reply-To: <44021CEC.7090007@yahoo.ca> References: <4400F604.60901@woods-and-waters.com> <44021CEC.7090007@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4402438D.8030203@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Mmmm... A good cassette deck! > > What if you apply your r&d to r2r tapes? It's gonna be better than the > current R2Rs? Don't tell anyone. I plan to. ACTUALLY, the core idea behind the design is an evolution of a modification I used to make to Ampex 350, 354, and MR70 mastering decks to extend their dynamic range so that Dolby A wasn't needed. My modded Ampexes were achieving more than 90 dB dynamic range at 30 ips. That;s one reason I wasn't impressed with digital early on. "Only 90 dB," I'd cajole the digital deck sales-entity, "I've been doing better than that for years with Ampex decks." I got thrown out of more digital demo shows.... -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From alex at autoconsortium.com Mon Feb 27 04:29:35 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:29:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <000001c63b00$3e03e800$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <200602270230.k1R2UPfL002905@kropotkin.circlecity.net> He lives in New Mexico. Alex C. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Shaun Montgomery > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:13 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > Does Stepehen Sank live in Lone Oak Texas? > > Shaun From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Feb 27 06:54:54 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:54:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: <000201c63b14$4ee20da0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <000a01c63b62$5676fc30$b2d417c4@home> When I was in the USA in December I spoke to Stephen by phone.He is alive but still suffering from the accident(or its after effects) .He is doing his utmost to clear up the backlog of work.This is going very slowly! It is NOT ADVISABLE to try let him doing your deck over even ask him to do so!This only compounds his present problems! I dont think he disappeared in the last two months!!! For those who still want to take a chance to send him work after reading this,DO NOT DO SO---he has too much on his plate which he has problems handling: I dont think that is fair on him,you and on the long outstanding work to be done which he already has from others!! When the presure on him has abated I think you will get to know it!!!!! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Montgomery" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank >I have just heard froma friend of Stephen Sank who says: > > "...You can mention that one of his friends is trying to find out where he > is..." > > I'll fill you in when and if I hear any more. > > Shaun > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Mon Feb 27 08:43:44 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:43:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Message-ID: I am surprised that noone has any interest in the NAk. Tech from "Audiotech MOntreal". He has posted before, but noone here answered a question i had posted asking if anyone has sent their machines across to Canada. I would think that there should be some interest. Last post by Audiotech Montreal was By Steve Ruddick, and he requested that anyone with Nak. repair concerns E-MAil him at SRUDDICK.COM, and that the e-mail indicate "NAk Question" so it wont get trashed by the Spam filter. Regarding Steven Sank, I never flamed against him publicly on this forum, but i did on PM posts, agreeing with people that he was guilty of negligence. When I had heard from someone here on the forum that he was seriously injured, I posted a public apology to Steven about what i had said about him to other people. Even though i do not know Steven,He has taken the time to PM me on two occasions about my eqiuipment. Last year probably close to around this time, or perhaps closer to summer, he did offer to take in my NAk OMs-7 which i had then, so He does read the forums , thats for sure.I just hope that he gets well and wish him as close to a complete recovery as possible, and not just so he can work on Naks agin. -- From hardouin at intnet.mu Mon Feb 27 14:47:22 2006 From: hardouin at intnet.mu (hardouin) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:47:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD700MK 1 Message-ID: <000b01c63ba4$56486c20$0201a8c0@tplus> Hi All, Anyone of you knows where I can find spres for this model, I am looking for he main Pcb which has been damaged from overheating.Your help maight save this tape from being thrown away , Thabnks and regards Christian From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 27 13:13:36 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:13:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD700MK 1 In-Reply-To: <000b01c63ba4$56486c20$0201a8c0@tplus> Message-ID: <004b01c63b97$3c3effe0$14c987d9@oemcomputer> I'd suggest eBay, to buy a replacement and use the current one for spares or to risk buying a non-working/spares model off eBay in the hope the main Pcb is okay in it ... Otherwise, I doubt very much you'll find new spare parts for it anywhere on the planet! Best of luck Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hardouin > Sent: 27 February 2006 13:47 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD700MK 1 > > > Hi All, > Anyone of you knows where I can find spres for this model, I am > looking for > he main Pcb which has been damaged from overheating.Your help maight save > this tape from being thrown away , > Thabnks and regards > Christian > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Feb 27 14:24:44 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:24:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD700MK 1 Message-ID: Hello Christian! Buy from me my TT 1000-Mk2, I live in Israel...for $:500.00 complete, the net weight is near 20 kilos...so the shipment from me to your home ask there where you live how much will cost. Mine works, maybe the two belts need to be changed (I still owning a set of originals, inside plastic bags, ones directly from Nakamichi in Japan), how long will be good I really don't know, + owner & service manuals. If you decide contact directly! Be in touch, ALEX! >From: "hardouin" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD700MK 1 >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:47:22 +0200 > >Hi All, >Anyone of you knows where I can find spres for this model, I am looking for >he main Pcb which has been damaged from overheating.Your help maight save >this tape from being thrown away , >Thabnks and regards >Christian >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 27 15:52:27 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:52:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4403122B.3080604@rcn.com> Stephen used to be a regular poster here, freely offering excellent advice to all technical inquiries. Some years ago he worked on my CR-7 and Toshiba SV-F990 prosumer VCR. He did excellent (no, stupendous is more like it) work on both. Toshiba had declared the VCR unrepairable, after charging handsomely for it. Stephen fixed it. Stephen charged fairly and very reasonably for the work. The CR-7 was done in reasonable time. The SV-F990 took forever and a day (but, still, overdue not by years, but by weeks). Walter: I didn't realize he had an accident. I feel that sending him email wasn't 'unfair'. He could easily respond with a boiler plate email stating that he is not taking on new work for the time being. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and find out > what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted on Naktalk? > > Doane > > ------------------ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of george valkov > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:18 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe > even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't > hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few > list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby > dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very > bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. > > I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's > accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I > don't even know if he's taking in new work. > > I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive > impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick > turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at > present. > > George > > On 2/26/06, Alex Cagann wrote: >> I must have missed something. What happened? >> >> Alex C. >> >>> Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be pretty >>> hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. From brando009 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 27 16:55:30 2006 From: brando009 at hotmail.com (Brandon White) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:55:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 49 In-Reply-To: <200602270824.k1R8NVjn019475@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi. I have Nak BX 300 I acquired that needed some service. I put in the gear drive mod. I was wondering how much take-up take torgue I should have now. The play head was out of alignment, so I set it during playback of my past tapes made on my CR-7 and DR-1. Thank you B. White >From: naktalk-request at naks.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 49 >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:24:30 +0100 > >Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > >Naktalk digest mailing list > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Tape to tape - still (Ron) > 2. RE: Tape to tape - still (Shaun Montgomery) > 3. RE: Stephen Sank (Doane Hoag) > 4. RE: Stephen Sank (Alex Cagann) > 5. Re: Stephen Sank (Wouter Heijke) > 6. RE: Stephen Sank (Shaun Montgomery) > 7. RE: Stephen Sank (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) > 8. RE: Stephen Sank (Nelson) > 9. RE: Stephen Sank (Shaun Montgomery) > 10. Re: Tape to tape - still (Antoine Desch?nes) > 11. RE: Stephen Sank (Doane Hoag) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:58:04 -0500 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Message-ID: <4401B3EC.9030300 at rcn.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > >I wonder what is the point of reinventing the >wheel and coming up with new ways of reducing >noise, when standards -- such as Dolby B or >DBX -- exist, that have no drawbacks. IOW, what >is the advantage of coming up with new schemes >that achieve what existing techniques already >do quite well. > >If I understand correctly, you think that hiss >is produced because of "the inability of the >deck to magnetize every oxide particle at low >flux levels". The way this was explained to me, >the culprit is the magnetic material itself. >Each domain is different, randomly, in size >and orientation than other neighboring domains. >This inconsistency is the cause of noise. The >level of tape noise is far higher than noise >from the electronics. > >I wonder how can the deck alleviate deficiencies >inherent in the tape itself. > >-- Ron > > > > >Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > Hi Doane, > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > >> Kermit: "It's also why I'm developing a cassette deck that is as quiet > >> as a > >> Dolby > >> deck, but needs no noise reduction to be that quiet." > >> > >> That sounds interesting, but even if you could get rid of the deck's > >> generated noise, how would you deal with the small, cassette tape >format, > >> existing tape noise itself, which is the cause of most of the noise in > >> cassettes? > > > > Well, firstly, that is what most of my R&D effort has been about. You've > > hit the crux of the problem. The exact answer comes under the headings > > of trade secrets and patent issues. I've found the cause of the cassette > > tape's inherent noise is, largely, the inability of the deck to > > magnetize every oxide particle at low flux levels. These low-level > > unmagnetized particles create random shot noise, heard as hiss. > > > > The deck, therefore, must be able to do two things: magnetize every > > particle at low levels and record at the highest level possible to > > extend dynamic range. My experiments have yielded, so far, > > signal-to-noise ratios of -68 dB (IEC A weighted, referred to 165 > > nW/meter flux levels at 1000 cps) on Quantegy 472 cassettes -- with no > > noise reduction. > > > > The total dynamic range I've achieved in the lab, so far, is 82 dB from > > noise floor to the onset of tape clipping (or, 5% IMD, 700:4400 cps > > mixed 4:1). I think I know a way that I can do better, so I'm holding up > > production of the cassette deck until I've bettered these figures. > > Obviously, this deck, once it reaches production, will be an extreme > > piece of engineering. But, it's designed to appeal to those who revel in > > uncompromised analog. > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:57:45 -0000 >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Message-ID: <002201c63ae5$01b26c70$7300a8c0 at Shaun> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > >..I wonder how can the deck alleviate deficiencies > >..inherent in the tape itself. > >I imagine by doing something either before or during the recording process >that once done changes the properties of the magnetic particles in such a >way that the end result is less hiss > >Perhaps there is even an underlying reason for the R & D. Maybe, just >maybe, >Dolby laboratories might get wind of the research and buy it out for a >substantial sum of money! After all, the motor industry has long been >guilty >of that trick/ > >Shaun > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:19:11 -0800 >From: "Doane Hoag" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and find out >what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted on >Naktalk? > >Doane > >------------------ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of george valkov >Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:18 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > >Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe >even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't >hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few >list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby >dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very >bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. > >I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's >accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I >don't even know if he's taking in new work. > >I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive >impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick >turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at >present. > >George > >On 2/26/06, Alex Cagann wrote: > > I must have missed something. What happened? > > > > Alex C. > > > > > Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be >pretty > > > hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >-------------- next part -------------- >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >Name: doane.vcf >Type: text/x-vcard >Size: 787 bytes >Desc: not available >Url : >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060226/ff0448fe/doane-0001.vcf > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:12:58 -0600 >From: "Alex Cagann" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Message-ID: <200602261713.k1QHDofL032339 at kropotkin.circlecity.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I'm sorry to hear that. I sent him my Dragon about 5 years ago, and I got >it >back very quick, and working 100% and the work was primo quality and an >excellent value. That is too bad. I hope he is OK, and I wish him the best. >He is a great asset to Nak fans. > >Alex C. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf > > Of george valkov > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:18 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe > > even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't > > hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few > > list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby > > dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very > > bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. > > > > I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's > > accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I > > don't even know if he's taking in new work. > > > > I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive > > impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick > > turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at > > present. > > > > George > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:45:33 +0100 >From: Wouter Heijke >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <4401E93D.4010002 at xs4all.nl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >His last post is from the end of march 2004, the email address he used >then is not subscribed anymore to naktalk. > >Wouter > >Doane Hoag wrote: > > Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and find out > > what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted on >Naktalk? > > > > Doane > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of george valkov > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:18 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > > > Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe > > even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't > > hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few > > list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby > > dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very > > bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. > > > > I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's > > accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I > > don't even know if he's taking in new work. > > > > I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive > > impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick > > turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at > > present. > > > > George > > > > On 2/26/06, Alex Cagann wrote: > > > >> I must have missed something. What happened? > >> > >> Alex C. > >> > >> > >>> Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be >pretty > >>> hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. > >>> > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:12:43 -0000 >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Message-ID: <000001c63b00$3e03e800$7300a8c0 at Shaun> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Does Stepehen Sank live in Lone Oak Texas? > >Shaun > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Wouter Heijke >Sent: 26 February 2006 17:46 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > >His last post is from the end of march 2004, the email address he used >then is not subscribed anymore to naktalk. > >Wouter > >Doane Hoag wrote: > > Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and find > > out what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted > > on Naktalk? > > > > Doane > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of george valkov > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:18 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > > > Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe > > even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't > > hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few > > list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby > > dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very > > bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. > > > > I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's > > accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I > > don't even know if he's taking in new work. > > > > I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive > > impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick > > turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at > > present. > > > > George > > > > On 2/26/06, Alex Cagann wrote: > > > >> I must have missed something. What happened? > >> > >> Alex C. > >> > >> > >>> Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be > >>> pretty hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. > >>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >__________ NOD32 1.1419 (20060226) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:57:20 -0500 >From: "Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank >To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Message-ID: > <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3BD1878 at USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >What about Q Audio on Vassar Street near MIT in Cambridge, MA? They >deal in new and used high-end stuff, think they do repairs or would have >a referral. > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of greynolds at newsguy.com >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:03 PM >To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > >From: "Ron" > > > I have two questions. First, does anyone one have the current email > > address for Stephen (the one I have could be obsolete)? I will be > > grateful for any information, such as, is he still in the business of > > servicing Nak decks? > >Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be pretty >hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. > > > Second, can anyone recommend some other service depot for Nakamichi > > decks in the New England area? Boston area will be best, but I am > > willing to drive far... > >Goodwin's High End in Waltham has a very competent crew, but I'm not >sure if they have Nak expertise - if you've never been there, it's quite >an experience as they carry some stunning equipment. I'm sure Tweeter's >service department would work on them, but don't think I'd trust them to >get it right :). Nothing else comes to mind. >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds >http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:17:31 -0000 >From: "Nelson" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: <003e01c63b11$ac431c80$4d8d87d9 at oemcomputer> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Stephen used to be one of the most active members on this board but his >contributions became less until he eventually vanished altogether and >stopped answering emails and telephone calls. For whatever reason, it >seems >he has chosen to stay out of the light, probably because he is too busy I >imagine. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > > Sent: 26 February 2006 16:19 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > > > > > Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and find out > > what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted > > on Naktalk? > > > > Doane > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:36:21 -0000 >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Message-ID: <000201c63b14$4ee20da0$7300a8c0 at Shaun> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I have just heard froma friend of Stephen Sank who says: > >"...You can mention that one of his friends is trying to find out where he >is..." > >I'll fill you in when and if I hear any more. > >Shaun > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 10 >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:26:04 -0500 >From: Antoine Desch?nes >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Message-ID: <44021CEC.7090007 at yahoo.ca> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Mmmm... A good cassette deck! > >What if you apply your r&d to r2r tapes? It's gonna be better than the >current R2Rs? > >Kermit V. Gray a �crit : > > Hi Doane, > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > >> Kermit: "It's also why I'm developing a cassette deck that is as > >> quiet as a > >> Dolby > >> deck, but needs no noise reduction to be that quiet." > >> Mmmm, good deck! > >> That sounds interesting, but even if you could get rid of the deck's > >> generated noise, how would you deal with the small, cassette tape > >> format, > >> existing tape noise itself, which is the cause of most of the noise in > >> cassettes? > > > > Well, firstly, that is what most of my R&D effort has been about. > > You've hit the crux of the problem. The exact answer comes under the > > headings of trade secrets and patent issues. I've found the cause of > > the cassette tape's inherent noise is, largely, the inability of the > > deck to magnetize every oxide particle at low flux levels. These > > low-level unmagnetized particles create random shot noise, heard as >hiss. > > > > The deck, therefore, must be able to do two things: magnetize every > > particle at low levels and record at the highest level possible to > > extend dynamic range. My experiments have yielded, so far, > > signal-to-noise ratios of -68 dB (IEC A weighted, referred to 165 > > nW/meter flux levels at 1000 cps) on Quantegy 472 cassettes -- with no > > noise reduction. > > > > The total dynamic range I've achieved in the lab, so far, is 82 dB > > from noise floor to the onset of tape clipping (or, 5% IMD, 700:4400 > > cps mixed 4:1). I think I know a way that I can do better, so I'm > > holding up production of the cassette deck until I've bettered these > > figures. Obviously, this deck, once it reaches production, will be an > > extreme piece of engineering. But, it's designed to appeal to those > > who revel in uncompromised analog. > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 11 >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:52:57 -0800 >From: "Doane Hoag" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and find out >what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted on >Naktalk? > >Doane > >------------------ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of george valkov >Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:18 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > >Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe >even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't >hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few >list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby >dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very >bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. > >I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's >accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I >don't even know if he's taking in new work. > >I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive >impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick >turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at >present. > >George > >On 2/26/06, Alex Cagann wrote: > > I must have missed something. What happened? > > > > Alex C. > > > > > Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be >pretty > > > hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >-------------- next part -------------- >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >Name: doane.vcf >Type: text/x-vcard >Size: 787 bytes >Desc: not available >Url : >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060226/ff0448fe/doane-0002.vcf > >------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 49 >*************************************** From rob at rhoag.com Mon Feb 27 17:18:42 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:18:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <4403122B.3080604@rcn.com> Message-ID: Very sorry to hear about Stephen... I see nothing wrong with sending email, must have missed that comment. By the way... the Nakamichi USA list of certified dealers doesn't mean to much. I sent a Nak LX5 deck to USACO Nakamichi Service in Cerritos, California, first having talked to them on the phone, explained what deck I had, how old it was, and being told that they could work on it. When it got to them, after about a week, they told me that they couldn't work on it because they don't have the special equipment and can't get parts from Nakamichi. After a stink about them wanting to charge me $30 to return the deck (I was already out $15 sending it to them) I finally had to go through the manager, and even then it took some convincing before he agreed that it was their fault, not mine that they didn't tell me first.. so they are returning the deck free, but I'm out the $15 on my end and the time. My point is, that if you send anything this old to anyone, be sure they have all the special Nak tape alignment gauges, cassettes, service manuals, etc., that they will need... don't trust the fact that they are listed by Nakamichi. As far as Electronic Service Lab in Connecticut, some one said something about you have to pay for good work so their inflated service charges are worth it. I don't agree... they are taking advantage of the situation. If they want to charge premium prices for special tweaking of a Nak deck, or special modifications that are beyond the standard repairs, that's fine, but from what I have heard they are charging exorbitant prices for standard repairs and service that almost any trained tech can do following the service manual and having worked on them. I just don't think this is right, but that's their decision, I guess. Doane -------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:52 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Stephen used to be a regular poster here, freely offering excellent advice to all technical inquiries. Some years ago he worked on my CR-7 and Toshiba SV-F990 prosumer VCR. He did excellent (no, stupendous is more like it) work on both. Toshiba had declared the VCR unrepairable, after charging handsomely for it. Stephen fixed it. Stephen charged fairly and very reasonably for the work. The CR-7 was done in reasonable time. The SV-F990 took forever and a day (but, still, overdue not by years, but by weeks). Walter: I didn't realize he had an accident. I feel that sending him email wasn't 'unfair'. He could easily respond with a boiler plate email stating that he is not taking on new work for the time being. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and find out > what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted on Naktalk? > > Doane > > ------------------ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of george valkov > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:18 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > Apparently Stephen dropped off the radar for several months, maybe > even a year. People had sent equipment to him for servicing and didn't > hear back from him for long, maybe a more than a year. We had a few > list members who were quite worried. Then someone who lives nearby > dropped in to check on him and it turned out he had some sort of very > bad near-fatal accident and was slowly recovering. > > I don't know anything more about this, but I'm guessing he's > accumulated a mountain of backlog plus he's not up to 100% yet, so I > don't even know if he's taking in new work. > > I dealt with him a few years ago and have nothing but positive > impressions - excellent work, very affordable and pretty quick > turnaround. For whatever reasons, this doesn't seem to be the case at > present. > > George > > On 2/26/06, Alex Cagann wrote: >> I must have missed something. What happened? >> >> Alex C. >> >>> Based on the stories we've heard over the last year or so, I'd be pretty >>> hesitant to send anything of value to Stephen Sank. From jberger at well.com Mon Feb 27 18:21:55 2006 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:21:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a rack mount kit for a Nak 480 Message-ID: To the best of my knowledge, Nak didn't make a rack mount kit for a 480; however, it shouldn't be to difficult for a machine shop to make some up with some appropriately sized angle iron or anodized aluminum. If you're a bit handy with a drill and some basic metalworking skills, you could do it yourself. Measure the width of a rack-mounted item (I believe that it's 19", for those in the US). Measure the width of the 480. Subtract, and divide the difference in two. That figure is how wide each of the adapters needs to be on the face. While you have the rack-mounted item, measure the spacing for the rack-mount screws; yours will need to have the same spacing to fit a standard rack. Look at the side of the 480. If you have a pair of screws top and bottom that secure the face, you're almost there. Measure the distance of these screws from the front to the center of the screw, and measure the distance from the top of the deck* to the center of both screws. These distances show where the deck screw holes will need to be drilled in the brackets. The front-back measurement of the brackets will need to be deep enough to support the screws. Remove one of the screws, and buy four replacements that have just enough extra length to compensate for the adapters. They don't have to be black, as they won't show, but they need to be the same diameter and threading. * The 480 probably won't exactly match standard rack unit spacing, so you'll end up with space above or below or both. With the feet on the bottom, you get space below, so I'd split the difference and leave some space at the top as well, for cooling. For dressing up, you'll probably want the corners rounded a bit, and have the brackets either painted (cheap) or powder coated (more durable, more expensive). If the 480 doesn't have top and bottom screws to hold the face plate (mine's in the garage at home, so I don't remember right now), you're probably best off with a standard rack-mount shelf. and then make up some filler trim strips for the outside. From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Feb 27 23:06:13 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:06:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Surpsingly decent TEAC In-Reply-To: <4403122B.3080604@rcn.com> References: <4403122B.3080604@rcn.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060227165600.01af0a68@psulias.psu.edu> Was just plodding around the Needle Doctor and came across this TEAC deck with a surprising list of features and specs for the price. B/C HX Computer bias/level/eq setting Mic input and line mic blender pitch control 25-17K hz with chrome tapes. Not too bad for $239. Only one motor per deck though. From N4229K at aol.com Tue Feb 28 13:13:33 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:13:33 EST Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a rack mount kit for a Nak 480 Message-ID: I finally found the brackets and they will only fit the BX series. Sorry about that. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at stager.com Tue Feb 28 18:01:05 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:01:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a rack mount kit for a Nak 480 In-Reply-To: <200602281100.k1SB0UJh023867@zxe.naks.com> References: <200602281100.k1SB0UJh023867@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060228115341.02bbdb08@stager.com> Or, if you don't want to go through all this trouble, buy a rack-mountable shelf and just sit the Nak on it. Like eBay #5872342945, for example. Only caveat: The tape deck can't be wider than 17 5/8 inches or it will not fit between the rack brackets. I can't use my 582 in a rack because it is too wide. Not sure if you'll have the same problem with the 480. Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- >From: John Berger >To the best of my knowledge, Nak didn't make a rack mount kit for a 480; >however, it shouldn't be to difficult for a machine shop to make some up >with some appropriately sized angle iron or anodized aluminum. If you're >a bit handy with a drill and some basic metalworking skills, you could do >it yourself. From thole at wxs.nl Tue Feb 28 21:16:34 2006 From: thole at wxs.nl (Pieter Thole) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:16:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI DA09004B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hai, Is this tape to adjust azimuth on the playback or record head? IE when you have a ZX-7, is it of any value? regards, Pieter g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2006\2006-4.txt ************************************************************************ From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sat Apr 1 00:26:43 2006 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:26:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Binaural recording In-Reply-To: <200603291525.k2TFOtRP011028@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hey Kermit (or anyone else out there), have you every messed with binaural recording? Any successful results? I've never been able to get rid of the "in my head" sound source perception with headphones and would sure like to hear that can be done. Gary From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Apr 1 02:47:50 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:47:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Binaural recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442DCDB6.2090804@yahoo.ca> Never experienced binaural, but has a lot of discussion about it and lots of other formats on diyaudio, and it appears that almost none of them are actually working(the impression of being in the place where it was recorded). To get rid of the in the head feeling, there are a couple of ciruits out there IIRC. gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com a écrit : > Hey Kermit (or anyone else out there), have you every messed with binaural > recording? Any successful results? I've never been able to get rid of the > "in my head" sound source perception with headphones and would sure like > to hear that can be done. > > Gary > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 1 03:08:57 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:08:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442DA1F0.6090100@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060401010857.23533.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I have used Cardas rhodium plated jacks on one of my 680ZX. The white ribbon cable was replaced using Vdh wire. Other good rcas I have used are from Monster cable and Audio Note. Audio Note jacks are slightly better fit, and most cables go in with little resistance. Even the shark-grip monster cables go in with lesser resistance. But they are not that cheap. They sound the best, with more cleaner and smoother bass. Bala 79Labs Wouter Heijke wrote: Well I got it from the Dutch Conrad site but their main site is www.conrad.de they have several European sites. The part number is 736910 but the uk site doesn't list it. Maybe with this someone can find a similar product on the Farnell site, I'll have a look this weekend. The older decks... well as much as a match as this one, if someone finds it i'm interested too! Another option is to dismantle the existing connector in the way I did in this one and only replace the actual connector part from this part... I'll see in my 500 for example if this is possible. Wouter Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > Wouter Heijke wrote: >> Hi Everybody, >> >> I've just pimped my CR-1 with gold output connectors. >> It is possible to buy an EXACT replacement, only you have to exchange >> the plastic red and white channel markings which is an easy job to do. >> Costs: 1.49 euro for a luxurious looking deck. > > VERY Cool! I wonder if this could be done with other models. I'd love > to pimp my rides (my 500, 550, 600 and 600-II). > > Where did you get the connectors? Farnell? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 1 03:27:23 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:27:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Binaural recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442DD6FB.5040607@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gary, gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > Hey Kermit (or anyone else out there), have you every messed with binaural > recording? Any successful results? I've never been able to get rid of the > "in my head" sound source perception with headphones and would sure like > to hear that can be done. I love binaural recording! One of my mics is the old JVC binaural mic that resembles headphones (and has a stereo headphone in it) but the capsules went bad. I plan to restore it this summer. Core Sound makes a good binaural mic but you can do better using two small lavalier mics and a mannequin head. Put a wig on it. Seriously. My greatest professional disappointment was that I tried to do a binaural-only record label in the mid-1980s but it didn't succeed. Not enough buyers. I thought with the Walkman craze that I had it made but I was wrong. Check out the Headwize web site. They have DIY projects for headphone amps that convert stereo recordings to binaural. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 1 03:27:24 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:27:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <442D9D75.1000509@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060401012724.99724.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A very important learning opportunity for all of us here indeed Kermit. Points well made. I have noticed the disparity between my Aiwa Excelia and Nakamichi decks. So far, when I did comparisons between Nak decks, there wasn't a problem. But I ran into some confusion when I was looking at decks from these two manufacturers. On a Aiwa F990, the Dolby reference level is pegged at +3dB. The same for Technics decks. On a Nakamichi 670ZX,and 600/II, they clearely marked the Dolby level at 0dB. Now my question is this - while TDK tapes were being used extensively by Nakamichi (even Nak tapes were made by them), why didn't Nak choose to use their standards? You are right about most meters being light shows. The worst I have seen were those tri-coloured bar meters. I think we had a discussion some time ago about some meters having red-coloured upper range. Seriously I don't find them any useful. Bala 79Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Acxtually, when professionals make cassette masters the de facto standard to ensure that the peak levels are recorded at 0 dB, where 0 dB is defined as 165 nW/m fluxivity. This ensures playability in all cassette decks and players, whether a cheapie mono player or a high end audiophile "superdeck." Note that professional cassette decks, like the Arcam Delta, Ampex's short lived deck, Tascam and the Studer-Revox products follwo this definition of 0 dB. No doubt you're right and consumer decks don't always calibrate their meters to standard. This means they violate the standard, often to gain a perceived marketing advantage by being able to boast better signal-to-noise ratio, or greater headroom, or the ability to record at "high levels" than a competitor's product. This is a compelling reason to do controlled listening tests such as those I described earlier so that you know both what your deck is doing and is capable of doing. Dolby level is indeed Ampex level for reel-to-reels. I've owned Dolby A and SR units and was a Dolby licensed installer for many years. Dolby places heavy emphasis on maintaining the reference level exactly, both for compatibility among tapes and to ensure the encode/decode process works correctly. One reason studios enjoyed Dolby is that it forced everyone to use the same reference fluxivity standards, INCLUDING the reference level for cassettes. Let me repeat that. One reason studios enjoyed Dolby is that it forced everyone to use the same reference fluxivity standards, INCLUDING the reference level for CASSETTES. As far as the Dolby B and C reference levels for cassettes, I'd have to look those up to be certain, but I think it is 185 nW/m fluxivity. This is why cassette deck meters put the Double-D symbol on the meters to tell you where the reference level is. For best tracking, Dolby recommends you not exceed that level as indicated by the position of the Double-D. Dolby makes it a condition of their licensing for their NR units that the meter indicate exactly where the Dolby Reference Level is, regardless of how the manufacturer chooses to calibrate the meter. You can deduce how the manufacturer has decided to calibrate their meters by comparing how where the Doulbe-D symbol is in relation to the 0 dB point. By the way, I don't recall ever seeing a cassette deck fitted with a VU meter, even a pro cassette deck. Because of ther limited headroom cassette decks are fitted with dB meters, albeit some manufacturers' meters are next to useless. You're right, many bargraph meters are little more than light shows. That description fits my Bang & Olufsen's meters perfectly! Personally, I dislike bargraph meters. It's true that the convention is to align the cassette deck according to the manufactuer's definition of 0dB (not VU) as referencedi in the service manual. But this isn't mandatory. You can recalibrate the deck so it is in exact compliance with one of the standards. Should you? Probably not, but some decks do usually benefit from the recalibration, like Teac and Pioneer. Those in the cassette duplication business have been complaining for years about decks that violate standard and about test tapes that contradict the standards. I've heard good arguments made that the variances are a major tech problem with cassette decks. Calls for level standardization have fallen on the deaf ears of both the cassette deck manufacturers and the test tape makers! TDK has been making a behind the scenes power play to set a new cassette level standard. They were successful in getting Teac to go along with it. Why? Because it favors their tape formulations. In other words, the TDK standard makes TDK cassettes look better than competitors with regard to noise THD and maximum output level. Nice. The state of the cassette industry's Towr of Babel of nonstandard fluxivity levels is a pet peeve of mine. I appreciate getting the opportunity to air out my mind! Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > All the info you provided is correct for Pro machines. Japanese consumer > stuff was all non-standard! To properly align cassette decks, you had to > look in the service manual at the spec for 0Vu. What I did was to always > use the Dolby Standard level and align to the symbol on the meters. The > Nakamichi 0Vu was Dolby standard, but it stood almost alone in this. Dolby > level was never Ampex level. IEC and JIS all had standards, but the odd > thing is, a common test tape made by TDK and adopted by Teac, matched none > of the existing standards. > Crappy consumer meters have never claimed to match Pro VU meter specs. > Even the LED types are more light shows than real meters. What matters most > is peak values, and the point at which your deck saturates. > I know it seems strange that cassette decks depart from tape alignemnt > standards, but you have to remember that Philips patented this low fi > format, Dolby made it mid fi, and Nakamichi took it Hi Fi. No one imagined > at the beginning that 20-20k +-3dB , 56dB s/n and 0.06% w/f would EVER be > realized, so who cared what reference level they used. > > tom brucker > > At 10:05 PM 3/30/06 -0600, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >>Hi Tom, >> >> >>>The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be >relative. >>>0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. >> >>Uh, unless things have changed, 0-dB or 0-VU on a tape recorder >>typically is defined as a specific level of fluxivity applied to the >>tape by the record head. For cassette decks, I've seen 0-VU defined >>variously as 165 nanoWeber per meter (nW/m) or 185 nW/m. Reel-to-reels >>use other fluxivity references. My B77 achieves 0.6 % THD at 0-VU, which >>for it at 15-ips is 256 nW/m reference fluxivity. >> >> >>> The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is >>>marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, >>>and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese >standard, >>>which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , >but >>>Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one >>>step >>>further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were >>>applied, so >>>Dolby level was at -3Vu. >> >>>Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex >>>standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu >>>in Pro gear non-relative. >> >>I believe Ampex standard operating level today is 200 nW/m, although in >>the past Ampex reference level was 250 nW/meter. I'll have to look it up >>to refresh my memory. Dolby adopted the Ampex reference level as a >>convenience. >> >>At preent, the IEC standard for level meters (IEC268-17) describes a >>standard volume indicator for audio. It sets the Reference Volume at 0Vu >>to be +4dBm (1.228 Vrms), in reference to 0.775Vrms for 0dBm or 0dBu. >>The IEC further defines the meter shall be calibrated in Vu, with a >>maximum value of +3Vu and a minimum value of -20Vu. Many cassette >>recorders with "dB" or "peak reading" meters (especially the bargraph >>types) adopted this standard or a slight variation thereof. >> >>Many studios still use VU meters, a specific device with specific meter >>ballistics. The Volume Unit refers to a meter's rise time (of an RMS >>sinusoidal stimulus covering a frequency range of 50 to 10,000 cps) such >>that the meter wil read 66% of the input level within 330 milliSeconds. >>Slow response times, but good for monitoring speech levels, such as >>those experienced by telephone exchanges (the guys who developed the >>standard a century ago) and radio broadcasters. >> >>Most modern studios use peak program meters or PPMs. These resemble VU >>meters but have very different ballistics that allow for much tighter >>control of peaks. >> >>0 dBv is indeed 1.77v into 600 ohms, whereas most older pro gear and >>many newer pieces used the reference 0 dBm, where 0 dB is referred to 1 >>milliwatt owr into 600 ohms. >> >>Confusingly, audio level in pro gear has historically been measured in >>dBm (deciBel milliwatt) where 0dBm is defined as a load of 600 0hms >>dissipating one milliwatt of power, resulting in a voltage across the >>load is 0.775 Vrms. Most newer audio equipent has very low source >>impedances, so the output levels are measured in dBu where 0dBu is >>defined as a voltage of 0.775 Vrms across unspecified load impedance, >>typically taken as either 10,000 ohms or 47,000 ohms bridging. dBu is >>often confused with dBv, which actually isn't used very often in most >>spec sheets. >> >>Makes you want to stay home and listen to the player piano instead, >>doesn't it? (Joking). >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>pro audio info! >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 1 03:39:30 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:39:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442DA1F0.6090100@xs4all.nl> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> <442D9DF3.4030906@woods-and-waters.com> <442DA1F0.6090100@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <442DD9D2.8060300@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Wouter, This is triple-plus good! I downloaded off Conrad's website the PDF data sheet for the part to see if I can find an equivalent from MCMinOne, Farnell, Mouser &c. The part looks familiar and I'm sure I've seen it somewhere. So you removed the sleeve and center contact and replaced the orgina ncickel part with the new gold part, right? Very cool idea! I think this mod could probably be adapted to any cassette deck or home reel-to-reel. At the worst, the pins might have to be extended with wire to reach PC board holes that don't line up with the origial pin pattern of the replacement part. Very cool mod, Wouter! Wouter Heijke wrote: > Well I got it from the Dutch Conrad site but their main site is > www.conrad.de they have several European sites. > The part number is 736910 but the uk site doesn't list it. > Maybe with this someone can find a similar product on the Farnell site, > I'll have a look this weekend. > > The older decks... well as much as a match as this one, if someone finds > it i'm interested too! > Another option is to dismantle the existing connector in the way I did > in this one and only replace the actual connector part from this part... > I'll see in my 500 for example if this is possible. > > Wouter > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Hi Wouter, >> >> Wouter Heijke wrote: >> >>> Hi Everybody, >>> >>> I've just pimped my CR-1 with gold output connectors. >>> It is possible to buy an EXACT replacement, only you have to exchange >>> the plastic red and white channel markings which is an easy job to do. >>> Costs: 1.49 euro for a luxurious looking deck. >> >> >> VERY Cool! I wonder if this could be done with other models. I'd love >> to pimp my rides (my 500, 550, 600 and 600-II). >> >> Where did you get the connectors? Farnell? >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 1 03:48:10 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:48:10 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <442D9D75.1000509@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Alex: Again, it's very interesting and informative to read your posts. I would request you do one thing though... irregradless of the standards; please do a distrotion test of a recording at the 0db point you want, and also at the Nak suggested level for the 3 head deck being tested. I know you don't have a ZX7, but maybe you have another 3 head Nax from that same time period you could test... just be sure it was calibrated to the Nak standards using their setup tapes, and all the rest of their alignment proceedures in thier service manual as that is the only way we can get an accurate measurement of what they designed the deck to do. I think you have to leave the idea of compatibility out of the issue at this point.. I know that is ceratinly one of my lowest priorities when I make a tape on my ZX7. What I want is the best reproduction of the original, not how will it will play back on a Kenwood or other brand, and Nakamichi has already assured that non compatibility by the very fact that their heads have much higher saturation levels then any ones elses and they use different equilization levels and curves, right? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:22 PM To: Hi Tech Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Acxtually, when professionals make cassette masters the de facto standard to ensure that the peak levels are recorded at 0 dB, where 0 dB is defined as 165 nW/m fluxivity. This ensures playability in all cassette decks and players, whether a cheapie mono player or a high end audiophile "superdeck." Note that professional cassette decks, like the Arcam Delta, Ampex's short lived deck, Tascam and the Studer-Revox products follwo this definition of 0 dB. No doubt you're right and consumer decks don't always calibrate their meters to standard. This means they violate the standard, often to gain a perceived marketing advantage by being able to boast better signal-to-noise ratio, or greater headroom, or the ability to record at "high levels" than a competitor's product. This is a compelling reason to do controlled listening tests such as those I described earlier so that you know both what your deck is doing and is capable of doing. Dolby level is indeed Ampex level for reel-to-reels. I've owned Dolby A and SR units and was a Dolby licensed installer for many years. Dolby places heavy emphasis on maintaining the reference level exactly, both for compatibility among tapes and to ensure the encode/decode process works correctly. One reason studios enjoyed Dolby is that it forced everyone to use the same reference fluxivity standards, INCLUDING the reference level for cassettes. Let me repeat that. One reason studios enjoyed Dolby is that it forced everyone to use the same reference fluxivity standards, INCLUDING the reference level for CASSETTES. As far as the Dolby B and C reference levels for cassettes, I'd have to look those up to be certain, but I think it is 185 nW/m fluxivity. This is why cassette deck meters put the Double-D symbol on the meters to tell you where the reference level is. For best tracking, Dolby recommends you not exceed that level as indicated by the position of the Double-D. Dolby makes it a condition of their licensing for their NR units that the meter indicate exactly where the Dolby Reference Level is, regardless of how the manufacturer chooses to calibrate the meter. You can deduce how the manufacturer has decided to calibrate their meters by comparing how where the Doulbe-D symbol is in relation to the 0 dB point. By the way, I don't recall ever seeing a cassette deck fitted with a VU meter, even a pro cassette deck. Because of ther limited headroom cassette decks are fitted with dB meters, albeit some manufacturers' meters are next to useless. You're right, many bargraph meters are little more than light shows. That description fits my Bang & Olufsen's meters perfectly! Personally, I dislike bargraph meters. It's true that the convention is to align the cassette deck according to the manufactuer's definition of 0dB (not VU) as referencedi in the service manual. But this isn't mandatory. You can recalibrate the deck so it is in exact compliance with one of the standards. Should you? Probably not, but some decks do usually benefit from the recalibration, like Teac and Pioneer. Those in the cassette duplication business have been complaining for years about decks that violate standard and about test tapes that contradict the standards. I've heard good arguments made that the variances are a major tech problem with cassette decks. Calls for level standardization have fallen on the deaf ears of both the cassette deck manufacturers and the test tape makers! TDK has been making a behind the scenes power play to set a new cassette level standard. They were successful in getting Teac to go along with it. Why? Because it favors their tape formulations. In other words, the TDK standard makes TDK cassettes look better than competitors with regard to noise THD and maximum output level. Nice. The state of the cassette industry's Towr of Babel of nonstandard fluxivity levels is a pet peeve of mine. I appreciate getting the opportunity to air out my mind! Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > All the info you provided is correct for Pro machines. Japanese consumer > stuff was all non-standard! To properly align cassette decks, you had to > look in the service manual at the spec for 0Vu. What I did was to always > use the Dolby Standard level and align to the symbol on the meters. The > Nakamichi 0Vu was Dolby standard, but it stood almost alone in this. Dolby > level was never Ampex level. IEC and JIS all had standards, but the odd > thing is, a common test tape made by TDK and adopted by Teac, matched none > of the existing standards. > Crappy consumer meters have never claimed to match Pro VU meter specs. > Even the LED types are more light shows than real meters. What matters most > is peak values, and the point at which your deck saturates. > I know it seems strange that cassette decks depart from tape alignemnt > standards, but you have to remember that Philips patented this low fi > format, Dolby made it mid fi, and Nakamichi took it Hi Fi. No one imagined > at the beginning that 20-20k +-3dB , 56dB s/n and 0.06% w/f would EVER be > realized, so who cared what reference level they used. > > tom brucker > > At 10:05 PM 3/30/06 -0600, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >>Hi Tom, >> >> >>>The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be >relative. >>>0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. >> >>Uh, unless things have changed, 0-dB or 0-VU on a tape recorder >>typically is defined as a specific level of fluxivity applied to the >>tape by the record head. For cassette decks, I've seen 0-VU defined >>variously as 165 nanoWeber per meter (nW/m) or 185 nW/m. Reel-to-reels >>use other fluxivity references. My B77 achieves 0.6 % THD at 0-VU, which >>for it at 15-ips is 256 nW/m reference fluxivity. >> >> >>> The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is >>>marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, >>>and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese >standard, >>>which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , >but >>>Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one >>>step >>>further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were >>>applied, so >>>Dolby level was at -3Vu. >> >>>Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex >>>standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu >>>in Pro gear non-relative. >> >>I believe Ampex standard operating level today is 200 nW/m, although in >>the past Ampex reference level was 250 nW/meter. I'll have to look it up >>to refresh my memory. Dolby adopted the Ampex reference level as a >>convenience. >> >>At preent, the IEC standard for level meters (IEC268-17) describes a >>standard volume indicator for audio. It sets the Reference Volume at 0Vu >>to be +4dBm (1.228 Vrms), in reference to 0.775Vrms for 0dBm or 0dBu. >>The IEC further defines the meter shall be calibrated in Vu, with a >>maximum value of +3Vu and a minimum value of -20Vu. Many cassette >>recorders with "dB" or "peak reading" meters (especially the bargraph >>types) adopted this standard or a slight variation thereof. >> >>Many studios still use VU meters, a specific device with specific meter >>ballistics. The Volume Unit refers to a meter's rise time (of an RMS >>sinusoidal stimulus covering a frequency range of 50 to 10,000 cps) such >>that the meter wil read 66% of the input level within 330 milliSeconds. >>Slow response times, but good for monitoring speech levels, such as >>those experienced by telephone exchanges (the guys who developed the >>standard a century ago) and radio broadcasters. >> >>Most modern studios use peak program meters or PPMs. These resemble VU >>meters but have very different ballistics that allow for much tighter >>control of peaks. >> >>0 dBv is indeed 1.77v into 600 ohms, whereas most older pro gear and >>many newer pieces used the reference 0 dBm, where 0 dB is referred to 1 >>milliwatt owr into 600 ohms. >> >>Confusingly, audio level in pro gear has historically been measured in >>dBm (deciBel milliwatt) where 0dBm is defined as a load of 600 0hms >>dissipating one milliwatt of power, resulting in a voltage across the >>load is 0.775 Vrms. Most newer audio equipent has very low source >>impedances, so the output levels are measured in dBu where 0dBu is >>defined as a voltage of 0.775 Vrms across unspecified load impedance, >>typically taken as either 10,000 ohms or 47,000 ohms bridging. dBu is >>often confused with dBv, which actually isn't used very often in most >>spec sheets. >> >>Makes you want to stay home and listen to the player piano instead, >>doesn't it? (Joking). >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>pro audio info! >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Andrew -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brett Dickel Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:44 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Axent Audio Excellent post Martin...thank you. It seems that getting Nakamichi's serviced is as difficult as getting them in the first place! May I ask who the other repair shop is....are you saying that they have an authorised Nakamichi technician there? Many years ago when I had my CR-7 serviced it went to Peter Dobbs at Audiocraft. It was there for a few months but was serviced well. I don't think Audiocraft exist anymore...do you have any more info on this? All I want to do is get my machine fixed and short of sending it to the UK I'm having a hell of a job sorting it out!! Brett At 09:51 p.m. 31/03/2006, you wrote: Just be wary of Axent Audio... my initial experience was good, but subsequently sour... After Donald's happy experiences, I gave them my 582Z for service... (sticky pinch rollers, and dead 400Hz cal tone)....and received it back fully functional after about 6 weeks and very happy with the work, ..( though was to later redevelop the 400hz cal tone fault). I then gave them my 680ZX to repair, but It is now over 7 months and there has been no action on the repair ( I gave them 3 months before enquiring as to status, which I thought was reasonable). During my subsequent enquiries, they state they have contracted it out (my 582Z was done in house apparently). In conversations with the staff there, they claim to be getting out of servicing cassette decks as it was too much trouble ( yet there were 2 LX3's, a 700, and 1000 visible from the counter!!) . What is extremely frustrating is that I am now having such a devil's own job of retrieving my unit, and they are not being particulalry helpful. One cannot help but be suspicious... I actually suspect they have 'lost' it :o( . Meantime I was put onto another repair shop by the NZ Pioneer agents, so chanced my 682ZX. Had it back within a week, fully functional, new belts etc, and now enjoying it immensly. Given the turn around time and quality of the work on the 682, hence my desire to extract my 680ZX. Incidently, I had a chat with the only NZ based Nakamichi trained audio tech, which at least assured me that my new found repair agent was a good'un. Please don't consider this a 'bag' of Axent, as others experiences may be better.... just I will not use them ever again. Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at richardhess.com Sat Apr 1 06:38:58 2006 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:38:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette delamination Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060331233801.0261f278@richardhess.com> Any of you folks seen this? http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/03/31/project-notes-advanced-oxide-delamination-of-a-cassette/ Nak content: the good parts after splicing out the flakes in the middle were played on a Dragon. Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From sinuhe at r-grieco.net Sat Apr 1 11:22:43 2006 From: sinuhe at r-grieco.net (Raffaele Grieco) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:22:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Binaural recording References: Message-ID: <085e01c6556d$dc8c0d40$ea8cfd54@mc4412> gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > Hey Kermit (or anyone else out there), have you every messed with > binaural recording? Any successful results? I've never been able to > get rid of the "in my head" sound source perception with headphones > and would sure like to hear that can be done. I only make binaural recordings, except in lectures or speeches where I cannot exploit my equipment. The results are astonishing; I have made a few demonstrations myself and the people were extremely impressed by the realism of the sound scene. It is definitely worth to give it a try: you only need a binaural microphone and a good recorder. That's all. You can find one of the "classic" dummy head/binaural mic on eBay (Sennheiser MKE 2002, Neumann KU-100, AKG D-99C "Harry") or you can buy something new like BSM from Microphone Madness or Core Sound. If you want to listen thru the speakers, you will need more equipment, but that's another story. If you like, drop me a line. ;) Ci at o, RG (^_^) From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 1 23:13:52 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:13:52 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442EED10.9000700@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > I would request you do one thing though... irregradless of the standards; > please do a distrotion test of a recording at the 0db point you want, and > also at the Nak suggested level for the 3 head deck being tested. Of course, this is standard operating procedure. > I know you > don't have a ZX7, but maybe you have another 3 head Nax from that same time > period you could test... just be sure it was calibrated to the Nak standards > using their setup tapes, and all the rest of their alignment proceedures in > thier service manual as that is the only way we can get an accurate > measurement of what they designed the deck to do. Of course, again this is standard operating procedure. > I think you have to leave the idea of compatibility out of the issue at this > point.. Perhaps with certain model Nakamichis, because of the EQ differences but not with other brands of cassettes. I was addressing my remarks to cassette decks as a whole, not to specifically one brand of cassette deck. > I know that is ceratinly one of my lowest priorities when I make a > tape on my ZX7. That's fine but for me compatibility IS a prime issue for me, and always WILL be a prime issue for me. Unlike others on the list my cassette decks spend most of their time earning money for me, so I absolutely have to consider compatibility. When I use my Nakamichi to make a tape that will be played on other brands, I use a touch of high-frequency EQ to compensate for the EQ differences. I admit this is a step few others will need to take. Recognizing that non-pro users of cassette decks will have different priorities, I have been recomending the previously mentioned series of listening tests so that the individual can optimize their recording technique to suit the sound they desire and to suit their individual purposes. > What I want is the best reproduction of the original, not > how will it will play back on a Kenwood or other brand, and Nakamichi has > already assured that non compatibility by the very fact that their heads > have much higher saturation levels then any ones elses and they use > different equilization levels and curves, right? I too want is the best reproduction of the original, and have not exprienced a situation where this cannot be achieved without retaining at least some degree of compatibility. Because I have other brands of cassette decks in my collection I do not want to have to be limited to only one brand of tape deck to play a specific tape. This is called practicality. I'd probably feel differently if I owned only Nakamichi decks. Achieving the best reproduction of the original means achieving a balance between the mutually exclusive extremes of lowest noise and lowest distortion. Higher recording levels reduce noise and increase dynamic range, lower levels reduce distorition. Interestingly, I've found that consistently I achieve the best reproduction of the original when I keep levels at the standard fluxivities -- this gives me an optimum balance of low noise, wide dynamic range and low distortion. The impressive thing about Nakamichi cassette decks is that you can through caution to the wind, bury the meters while recording levels so hot that other deck would distort horribly playing the tapes -- yet the Nakamichi can give better sound (even in worst-case situations) than mos other brads can achieve under ideal conditions. This is one reason I love my Nakamichi decks so much. I must add though that although Naks can indeed record higher levels and still sound good, I wouldn't try it with other brands (with a few exceptions like Studer-Revox and Arcam) if you care about low distortion. Hey, I think your experience is fabulous! If you're finding that with your deck you achieve the best reproduction of the original by pushing levels as far as possible, that's fine. That's why listening tests are recommended - so you know for certain how to get the best out of your deck regardless of what the manual or the sdtandard says. That's why I've been suggesting controlled listening tests at different recording elvels as a means for the individual to decide what levels are the best for their tastes and purposes. Also this protocol is an easy way to eliminate the tendency to be dogmatic about the "best" way to set levels. Admittedly for some live recordings where I need as much dynamic range as possible I use a Nak and occasionally let the levels run hotter than standard, grudgingly allowing higher distortion on brief peaks. Also in those situations I use an outboard dbx NR to achieve the wide dynamic range without needing to consistently push recording levels above standard fluxivities. As far as the EQ differences, other than my Revox B710, my non-Nak decks aren't as good as the NBaks, and the EQ differences between the Naks and the other brands can be resolved satifactorily by setting the other decks eq selector setting "incorrectly" during playback, or by a touch of the treble control on the stereo. Nevertheless the most important thing to me is that everyone get the best sound they can out of their cassette decks regardless of the standard they choose for setting levels. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Apr 1 23:17:28 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 23:17:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442DA526.1010303@yahoo.ca> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> <442D9DF3.4030906@woods-and-waters.com> <442DA1F0.6090100@xs4all.nl> <442DA526.1010303@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <442EEDE8.9050902@xs4all.nl> Yes, same here in the BX-300, these seem to be closed, the trick I suggested won't be possible here... Wouter Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Oh, I don't think that this one is used on all decks. The BX-2 has one > with two screws : One on the top right corner and one on the bottom left. > > Wouter Heijke a écrit : From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Apr 1 23:38:12 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 23:38:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442DD9D2.8060300@woods-and-waters.com> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> <442D9DF3.4030906@woods-and-waters.com> <442DA1F0.6090100@xs4all.nl> <442DD9D2.8060300@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <442EF2C4.3050000@xs4all.nl> Hi Kermit, What had to be done is switch the red and the white plastic rings that make the color of the connectors. If you look at Conrad's picture you'll see that red is at the PCB side and the Nak connector has white there... You can remove the black plastic cover together with the 2 outer gold connectors and out come the 2 little rings, change them and tut everything back. What I suggested yesterday is maybe you can use the outer part of the gold connectors as far as I can see they are not easily interchangeable with the older connectors... I suppose we just have to find and try some products like I did with this one. Wouter Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > This is triple-plus good! I downloaded off Conrad's website the PDF > data sheet for the part to see if I can find an equivalent from > MCMinOne, Farnell, Mouser &c. The part looks familiar and I'm sure > I've seen it somewhere. > > So you removed the sleeve and center contact and replaced the orgina > ncickel part with the new gold part, right? Very cool idea! I think > this mod could probably be adapted to any cassette deck or home > reel-to-reel. At the worst, the pins might have to be extended with > wire to reach PC board holes that don't line up with the origial pin > pattern of the replacement part. > > Very cool mod, Wouter! > From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 2 00:37:16 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:37:16 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <442EED10.9000700@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Very good Kermit, it will be interesting to see what you discover. I can very much usnderstand your point about compatibility issues now, but I guess I haven't been faced with that as I pretty much stuck to Naks after discovering how much better they were then anything I had used in the past, back in the 80's, and I was mainly recording for myself and other family members and friends who discovered the Naks though my suggestion and bought them too. And I only added the comment about recording beyond the manual recommendation out of interest, I also said that even though I was amazed they could be pushed much higher I always stuck to their recommended levels, I was just remarking that thier recommendations seemed to be conservative, just as I have heard that thier published specs tend to be conservative. Cheers, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:14 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Hi Tech Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > I would request you do one thing though... irregradless of the standards; > please do a distrotion test of a recording at the 0db point you want, and > also at the Nak suggested level for the 3 head deck being tested. Of course, this is standard operating procedure. > I know you > don't have a ZX7, but maybe you have another 3 head Nax from that same time > period you could test... just be sure it was calibrated to the Nak standards > using their setup tapes, and all the rest of their alignment proceedures in > thier service manual as that is the only way we can get an accurate > measurement of what they designed the deck to do. Of course, again this is standard operating procedure. > I think you have to leave the idea of compatibility out of the issue at this > point.. Perhaps with certain model Nakamichis, because of the EQ differences but not with other brands of cassettes. I was addressing my remarks to cassette decks as a whole, not to specifically one brand of cassette deck. > I know that is ceratinly one of my lowest priorities when I make a > tape on my ZX7. That's fine but for me compatibility IS a prime issue for me, and always WILL be a prime issue for me. Unlike others on the list my cassette decks spend most of their time earning money for me, so I absolutely have to consider compatibility. When I use my Nakamichi to make a tape that will be played on other brands, I use a touch of high-frequency EQ to compensate for the EQ differences. I admit this is a step few others will need to take. Recognizing that non-pro users of cassette decks will have different priorities, I have been recomending the previously mentioned series of listening tests so that the individual can optimize their recording technique to suit the sound they desire and to suit their individual purposes. > What I want is the best reproduction of the original, not > how will it will play back on a Kenwood or other brand, and Nakamichi has > already assured that non compatibility by the very fact that their heads > have much higher saturation levels then any ones elses and they use > different equilization levels and curves, right? I too want is the best reproduction of the original, and have not exprienced a situation where this cannot be achieved without retaining at least some degree of compatibility. Because I have other brands of cassette decks in my collection I do not want to have to be limited to only one brand of tape deck to play a specific tape. This is called practicality. I'd probably feel differently if I owned only Nakamichi decks. Achieving the best reproduction of the original means achieving a balance between the mutually exclusive extremes of lowest noise and lowest distortion. Higher recording levels reduce noise and increase dynamic range, lower levels reduce distorition. Interestingly, I've found that consistently I achieve the best reproduction of the original when I keep levels at the standard fluxivities -- this gives me an optimum balance of low noise, wide dynamic range and low distortion. The impressive thing about Nakamichi cassette decks is that you can through caution to the wind, bury the meters while recording levels so hot that other deck would distort horribly playing the tapes -- yet the Nakamichi can give better sound (even in worst-case situations) than mos other brads can achieve under ideal conditions. This is one reason I love my Nakamichi decks so much. I must add though that although Naks can indeed record higher levels and still sound good, I wouldn't try it with other brands (with a few exceptions like Studer-Revox and Arcam) if you care about low distortion. Hey, I think your experience is fabulous! If you're finding that with your deck you achieve the best reproduction of the original by pushing levels as far as possible, that's fine. That's why listening tests are recommended - so you know for certain how to get the best out of your deck regardless of what the manual or the sdtandard says. That's why I've been suggesting controlled listening tests at different recording elvels as a means for the individual to decide what levels are the best for their tastes and purposes. Also this protocol is an easy way to eliminate the tendency to be dogmatic about the "best" way to set levels. Admittedly for some live recordings where I need as much dynamic range as possible I use a Nak and occasionally let the levels run hotter than standard, grudgingly allowing higher distortion on brief peaks. Also in those situations I use an outboard dbx NR to achieve the wide dynamic range without needing to consistently push recording levels above standard fluxivities. As far as the EQ differences, other than my Revox B710, my non-Nak decks aren't as good as the NBaks, and the EQ differences between the Naks and the other brands can be resolved satifactorily by setting the other decks eq selector setting "incorrectly" during playback, or by a touch of the treble control on the stereo. Nevertheless the most important thing to me is that everyone get the best sound they can out of their cassette decks regardless of the standard they choose for setting levels. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 2 00:43:47 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:43:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442EF2C4.3050000@xs4all.nl> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> <442D9DF3.4030906@woods-and-waters.com> <442DA1F0.6090100@xs4all.nl> <442DD9D2.8060300@woods-and-waters.com> <442EF2C4.3050000@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <442F0223.40006@rcn.com> I have never had occasion to replace RCA jacks. However, if I did, I would investigate the gold plated jacks that are designed to mount in a single hole, with a ring nut at the back. I am almost sure these can be bought with either white or Red center insulators. The signal connection at the rear can be extended with a piece of stiff wire, for mounting to a PCB. -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > What had to be done is switch the red and the white plastic rings that > make the color of the connectors. If you look at Conrad's picture you'll > see that red is at the PCB side and the Nak connector has white there... > You can remove the black plastic cover together with the 2 outer gold > connectors and out come the 2 little rings, change them and tut > everything back. > > What I suggested yesterday is maybe you can use the outer part of the > gold connectors as far as I can see they are not easily interchangeable > with the older connectors... I suppose we just have to find and try some > products like I did with this one. > > Wouter > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> Hi Wouter, >> >> This is triple-plus good! I downloaded off Conrad's website the PDF >> data sheet for the part to see if I can find an equivalent from >> MCMinOne, Farnell, Mouser &c. The part looks familiar and I'm sure >> I've seen it somewhere. >> >> So you removed the sleeve and center contact and replaced the orgina >> ncickel part with the new gold part, right? Very cool idea! I think >> this mod could probably be adapted to any cassette deck or home >> reel-to-reel. At the worst, the pins might have to be extended with >> wire to reach PC board holes that don't line up with the origial pin >> pattern of the replacement part. >> >> Very cool mod, Wouter! From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Apr 2 00:57:10 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 00:57:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442F0223.40006@rcn.com> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> <442D9DF3.4030906@woods-and-waters.com> <442DA1F0.6090100@xs4all.nl> <442DD9D2.8060300@woods-and-waters.com> <442EF2C4.3050000@xs4all.nl> <442F0223.40006@rcn.com> Message-ID: <442F0546.6030807@xs4all.nl> Sure, these aint no WBT, but it doesn't need drilling holes or anything, just some (de)soldering.... less then 5 minutes of work. Also the cost is less then WBT's, and the CR-1/2 to me aren't worth WBT's that would be more $$ then these decks cost me! I'll post some pics on this mod on the website maybe later today. Wouter Ron wrote: > > I have never had occasion to replace RCA jacks. > However, if I did, I would investigate the gold > plated jacks that are designed to mount in a > single hole, with a ring nut at the back. I am > almost sure these can be bought with either white > or Red center insulators. The signal connection > at the rear can be extended with a piece of stiff > wire, for mounting to a PCB. > > -- Ron > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Apr 2 01:50:21 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:50:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442F11BD.4020100@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Very good Kermit, it will be interesting to see what you discover. > > I can very much usnderstand your point about compatibility issues now, but I > guess I haven't been faced with that as I pretty much stuck to Naks after > discovering how much better they were then anything I had used in the past, > back in the 80's, and I was mainly recording for myself and other family > members and friends who discovered the Naks though my suggestion and bought > them too. Oh well, you gotta Nak you don't really need another cassette deck, yes!. Today I powered up my newly acquired (loaned) Nak 680ZX and decided to put it through its paces. It's first ever working pad-lifter deck and first deck with auto-azimuth. First, the auto azimuth is atounding. Worst case test: play tapes that were made on my evil green Wollensak. They sound clearer than ever. Any deck that can makese tapes sound good has my respect. Recording quality is incredible. It has everything I like about my 600-II's and 600's sound but the 6809ZX has stronger, more defined bass and a bit clearer treble. I gave into a moment of madness and recorded with the peaks up to +10 with Chrome TDK SA. A bit spitty on cymbals and a bit harde-dged overall BUT better sound than anything my Pioneer CT-F7272 ever did. Recording with peaks to +5 dB, no Dolby frankly was flawless. No complaints. Recording a +5 with Dolby on did produce some mistracking with brief transients and added a barely discernable overall hardness with piano. But it equalled the 600-II with recording level set to only +0 dB! The 680ZX can indeed provide 5 dB more level with the same overall sound quality. Finally, I opened up an SKC metal cassette I bought recently and tried it out. Usually I am unimpressed with metal cassettes. With no Dolby I recorded levels to +10 dB and had the surprise of my life. Incredibly clean and open withoujt the midrange roughness I'm used to hearing with metal cassettes recorded on either my Revox B710 or B&O Becord 9000. Recording with Dolby brought back the hardness, though. Reducing the level to +5 seemed to elminiate the hardness. I'm changing my mind on metal cassettes. Recorded with this 680ZX metal cassettes are wonderful. I am astounded by this deck! Frankly, it beats the Revox B710 (not by much but it does), but with metal cassettes the 680ZX comes alive and is very detailed and musical while the Revox is hard and sterile. The B&O isn't worth talking about in comparison. For the record, the 600 and 600-II still remain my favorites, simply because I know them so well I can get exactly the sound I want, but I have to admit the 680ZX has won me over. I almost feel guilty, like I'm cheating on my first love, but the 680ZX has such clarity and it is so quiet that I have to say it's probably going to become my most-used deck. > And I only added the comment about recording beyond the manual > recommendation out of interest, I also said that even though I was amazed > they could be pushed much higher I always stuck to their recommended levels, > I was just remarking that thier recommendations seemed to be conservative, > just as I have heard that thier published specs tend to be conservative. Mised that. Sorry. I don't see to well, admittedly. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Sun Apr 2 01:48:22 2006 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:48:22 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Axent Audio In-Reply-To: <006001c6553d$806c1210$a27ba8c0@dellmaster> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060401093835.05690c78@paradise.net.nz> <006001c6553d$806c1210$a27ba8c0@dellmaster> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060402114625.01c7f880@paradise.net.nz> Thanks Andrew I have heard that ESL do good work but can be expensive. Ideally, as I live in New Zealand, I would like somewhere here or in Australia to do it - but maybe this isn't a realistic option. Brett At 03:36 p.m. 1/04/2006, you wrote: >Brett, > >I recently had a broken CR-7A fixed, modified and completely >restored by Electronics Service Labs, the >unit was in the shop right at 3 months and all the work done was fantastic. >While I am still running the deck through its paces, the unit has >performed flawlessly so far. >Needless to say my tape collection has been getting allot of play >since getting this deck back. >Best of luck to you getting your deck repaired. > >Andrew > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of Brett Dickel >Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:44 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Axent Audio > >Excellent post Martin...thank you. >It seems that getting Nakamichi's serviced is as difficult as >getting them in the first place! > >May I ask who the other repair shop is....are you saying that they >have an authorised Nakamichi technician there? > >Many years ago when I had my CR-7 serviced it went to Peter Dobbs at >Audiocraft. It was there for a few months but was serviced well. >I don't think Audiocraft exist anymore...do you have any more info on this? > >All I want to do is get my machine fixed and short of sending it to >the UK I'm having a hell of a job sorting it out!! > >Brett > > > >At 09:51 p.m. 31/03/2006, you wrote: > > >Just be wary of Axent Audio... my initial experience was good, but >subsequently sour... > >After Donald's happy experiences, I gave them my 582Z for service... >(sticky pinch rollers, and dead 400Hz cal tone)....and received it >back fully functional after about 6 weeks and very happy with the >work, ..( though was to later redevelop the 400hz cal tone fault). > >I then gave them my 680ZX to repair, but It is now over 7 months >and there has been no action on the repair ( I gave them 3 months >before enquiring as to status, which I thought was reasonable). >During my subsequent enquiries, they state they have contracted it >out (my 582Z was done in house apparently). In conversations with >the staff there, they claim to be getting out of servicing cassette >decks as it was too much trouble ( yet there were 2 LX3's, a 700, >and 1000 visible from the counter!!) . What is extremely frustrating >is that I am now having such a devil's own job of retrieving my >unit, and they are not being particulalry helpful. One cannot help >but be suspicious... I actually suspect they have 'lost' it :o( . > >Meantime I was put onto another repair shop by the NZ Pioneer >agents, so chanced my 682ZX. Had it back within a week, fully >functional, new belts etc, and now enjoying it immensly. Given the >turn around time and quality of the work on the 682, hence my desire >to extract my 680ZX. > >Incidently, I had a chat with the only NZ based Nakamichi trained >audio tech, which at least assured me that my new found repair >agent was a good'un. > >Please don't consider this a 'bag' of Axent, as others experiences >may be better.... just I will not use them ever again. > >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Apr 2 01:54:44 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:54:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <442F12C4.1070908@xs4all.nl> Here is how it's done illustrated with some pictures: http://www.naks.com/mods/goldrca/ Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > I've just pimped my CR-1 with gold output connectors. From herbchong at compuserve.com Sun Apr 2 03:00:46 2006 From: herbchong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:00:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Binaural recording References: Message-ID: <018501c655f0$e03a31a0$0300a8c0@tower1> delurking here for a few. i tried to make some binaural recordings a few years back. all environmental stuff like walking through the woods, streets, etc. by wearing the microphones. they are much more lifelike than ordinary recordings, but the never get away from the in your head problem. i believe that the microphones need to be further in the ear to start with, but also that the earphones reproducing also have to be there. it was fun to do and not too expensive, but i'm not interested anymore. Herb.... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] Binaural recording > Hey Kermit (or anyone else out there), have you every messed with binaural > recording? Any successful results? I've never been able to get rid of the > "in my head" sound source perception with headphones and would sure like > to hear that can be done. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Apr 2 03:41:14 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:41:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442F12C4.1070908@xs4all.nl> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> <442F12C4.1070908@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <442F2BBA.9020000@yahoo.ca> Hi, It could probably be done on the BXs too. The BXs seem to have the same PCB, so, just a supposition, maybe we can remove the black plates with the contacts from the original pluig and put the other ones instead. Wouter Heijke a écrit : > Here is how it's done illustrated with some pictures: > > http://www.naks.com/mods/goldrca/ > > Wouter > > Wouter Heijke wrote: >> I've just pimped my CR-1 with gold output connectors. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 2 05:12:31 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:12:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette delamination Message-ID: Shalom Rich! Lovely article and superbly "Patience"...making such "Splicing"...I also have at least 8 "Feed Arms" BASF cassettes mostly Chrome and maybe a few more Ferric ones...among us...really don't want to "Try" them on my lovely Dragon...for what & why???? looking for trouble...NO thanks! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Richard L. Hess" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Cassette delamination >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:38:58 -0500 > >Any of you folks seen this? >http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/03/31/project-notes-advanced-oxide-delamination-of-a-cassette/ >Nak content: the good parts after splicing out the flakes in the middle >were played on a Dragon. > >Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 2 05:21:04 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:21:04 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Message-ID: Hi Kermit! Bravo...you JUST recall my memory...today I will try to change to 120eq, instead 70eq when I will listen my recorded TDK SA family trough the Kenwood with my lovely Dragon...I'm certainly sure that the "Muffled" sound will be greatly improved! Thanks kermit again for recall my memories in this "Changing" EQ issue! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: rob at rhoag.com >CC: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] >Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:13:52 -0600 > >Hi Doane, > >Doane Hoag wrote: >>I would request you do one thing though... irregradless of the standards; >>please do a distrotion test of a recording at the 0db point you want, and >>also at the Nak suggested level for the 3 head deck being tested. > >Of course, this is standard operating procedure. > > > I know you >>don't have a ZX7, but maybe you have another 3 head Nax from that same >>time >>period you could test... just be sure it was calibrated to the Nak >>standards >>using their setup tapes, and all the rest of their alignment proceedures >>in >>thier service manual as that is the only way we can get an accurate >>measurement of what they designed the deck to do. > >Of course, again this is standard operating procedure. > >>I think you have to leave the idea of compatibility out of the issue at >>this >>point.. > >Perhaps with certain model Nakamichis, because of the EQ differences but >not with other brands of cassettes. I was addressing my remarks to cassette >decks as a whole, not to specifically one brand of cassette deck. > > > I know that is ceratinly one of my lowest priorities when I make a >>tape on my ZX7. > >That's fine but for me compatibility IS a prime issue for me, and always >WILL be a prime issue for me. Unlike others on the list my cassette decks >spend most of their time earning money for me, so I absolutely have to >consider compatibility. When I use my Nakamichi to make a tape that will be >played on other brands, I use a touch of high-frequency EQ to compensate >for the EQ differences. I admit this is a step few others will need to >take. > >Recognizing that non-pro users of cassette decks will have different >priorities, I have been recomending the previously mentioned series of >listening tests so that the individual can optimize their recording >technique to suit the sound they desire and to suit their individual >purposes. > > > What I want is the best reproduction of the original, not >>how will it will play back on a Kenwood or other brand, and Nakamichi has >>already assured that non compatibility by the very fact that their heads >>have much higher saturation levels then any ones elses and they use >>different equilization levels and curves, right? > >I too want is the best reproduction of the original, and have not >exprienced a situation where this cannot be achieved without retaining at >least some degree of compatibility. Because I have other brands of cassette >decks in my collection I do not want to have to be limited to only one >brand of tape deck to play a specific tape. This is called practicality. >I'd probably feel differently if I owned only Nakamichi decks. > >Achieving the best reproduction of the original means achieving a balance >between the mutually exclusive extremes of lowest noise and lowest >distortion. Higher recording levels reduce noise and increase dynamic >range, lower levels reduce distorition. Interestingly, I've found that >consistently I achieve the best reproduction of the original when I keep >levels at the standard fluxivities -- this gives me an optimum balance of >low noise, wide dynamic range and low distortion. > >The impressive thing about Nakamichi cassette decks is that you can through >caution to the wind, bury the meters while recording levels so hot that >other deck would distort horribly playing the tapes -- yet the Nakamichi >can give better sound (even in worst-case situations) than mos other brads >can achieve under ideal conditions. This is one reason I love my Nakamichi >decks so much. I must add though that although Naks can indeed record >higher levels and still sound good, I wouldn't try it with other brands >(with a few exceptions like Studer-Revox and Arcam) if you care about low >distortion. > >Hey, I think your experience is fabulous! If you're finding that with your >deck you achieve the best reproduction of the original by pushing levels as >far as possible, that's fine. That's why listening tests are recommended - >so you know for certain how to get the best out of your deck regardless of >what the manual or the sdtandard says. That's why I've been suggesting >controlled listening tests at different recording elvels as a means for the >individual to decide what levels are the best for their tastes and >purposes. Also this protocol is an easy way to eliminate the tendency to be >dogmatic about the "best" way to set levels. > >Admittedly for some live recordings where I need as much dynamic range as >possible I use a Nak and occasionally let the levels run hotter than >standard, grudgingly allowing higher distortion on brief peaks. Also in >those situations I use an outboard dbx NR to achieve the wide dynamic range >without needing to consistently push recording levels above standard >fluxivities. > >As far as the EQ differences, other than my Revox B710, my non-Nak decks >aren't as good as the NBaks, and the EQ differences between the Naks and >the other brands can be resolved satifactorily by setting the other decks >eq selector setting "incorrectly" during playback, or by a touch of the >treble control on the stereo. > >Nevertheless the most important thing to me is that everyone get the best >sound they can out of their cassette decks regardless of the standard they >choose for setting levels. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 2 05:32:11 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:32:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! Message-ID: Shalom Wouter! Lovely photos...only I want to know "WHY"...it's needed to change the Nickel ones for such "Gold" coated ones?...I clean twice a year all my contacts on my whole stereo set...extremely well do it...& continue enjoying my gear with NO problems at all. Wouter...only my sole curiosity! Superbly work! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! >Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:54:44 +0200 > >Here is how it's done illustrated with some pictures: > >http://www.naks.com/mods/goldrca/ > >Wouter > >Wouter Heijke wrote: >>I've just pimped my CR-1 with gold output connectors. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sun Apr 2 08:19:43 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:19:43 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Pt 1:Axent Audio/Nak servicing in NZ, Pt 2 Sankyo transports Message-ID: <003801c6561d$6edf3500$0201a8c0@lan> 1) Nak servicing : Hi Brett, Sorry, don't know in which part of NZ you reside, and can only comment for the Auckland area.... Getting a Nak in NZ is relatively easy but to get a 'good' one is hard!!!, and servicing ANY cassette deck even more so. A lot of my Naks have been sourced opportunistically from strange places.. garage sales in case of my 600/600 II's, .... my CR-5 was sitting under a pile of dust in a 2nd hand 'tool shop' window in my 'home' town.. (Petone) .. the price was right so I bought it!.. didn't take much to get going ( idler tire, a bulb and damn good clean... hasn't missed a beat yet!). To your average Kiwi they are just cassette decks..... which fewer and fewer people are wanting. The one's that have and continue to turn up on 'trade me' at the moment, usually well overpriced... $750 for a ZX-7, missing bits and marked face plate?.. I think not. Anyway I digress... Our Daughter up 'till recently worked for Monaco Corp ( the Pioneer/TDK people), so I enquired as to who they could recommend, given my ' Axent ' experience. From memory the suggestions were Audio Tec around the Eden Park Area, or Searle Electronics in Whangarei as two places that might take on 'old' gear.. (which seems to be anything >5 years these days!!). I had recently bought a T100 off Searle Electronics, and it was in 'as new condition' which gives you some idea of 'care', so I dropped them a line and they said yes. Also, this may seem odd, but it was easier to courier a deck up to Whangarei than take the time out to drive to Mt Eden, even though it is only 20km... time being what it is... in short supply. I sent them 682 and 582.. the 682 was back in a week... :o), they still have the 582.. (this one needs a new record head.) I have used NEXT to repair Nakamichi's in the past also with good results as long as it only electronics that have failed. They are reluctant to take on any these days, though if the Service Manager is present, they can be usually talked around into having a look at it. You mention Peter Dobbs who was (is) the only Nak trained technician in NZ that I know of. I knew of Peter by reputation, but as a then Wellingtonian, our paths never crossed. As far as I am aware Peter is now working as the head tech for B&O in Newmarket, and does some other stuff in the 'sound' professional industry as well.. so he flits around the country a lot. Ivan Searle suggested I contact Peter as he may have some 2ndH heads for the 582 ( :o) ; which I did and it was a very interesting conversation about Naks, (but nothing much about what he is doing now) during which he confirmed Searle Electronics as probably better than most to carry out work on Naks... though nobody has the set up and alignment gauges so can only do so much with realigning the heads. Peter has quit servicing ( ie: closed Audiocraft) as no one would spend the 'proper' money ( $250 - 300 NZ) to service their decks, amongst other reasons like the decline of home stereo in favour of home theatre, and so he so is basically unavailable and out of the picture now for repair work unfortunately, ( and very very difficult to get 'hold of'). However, old relationships never die, which is hopefully my good fortune as far as 582 heads go, but if he cannot, then the deck it means a donor machine. I am tentatively to catch up with Peter at some stage as he was interested in my collection, but given that he is notoriously elusive that may never actually happen. I am sure it would be an interesting meeting, from my point of view anyway. Sorry to hear that your CR-7 is playing up. If it really needs any specialist parts, then ESL or B&W are the only places to send it. FWIW, I was considering sending my 682 to B&W, but with international courier at NZ$400 each way due to the weight, plus the repairs at say 200quid, I was up for NZ$1500, and I just couldn't justify that level of expenditure. Sure there are much cheaper forms of shipping, but door to door was the safest. As it turned out, it cost me $465.00 to get the 682 repaired.. there was more wrong with it than I thought!!. 2) Sankyo transports. A curiosity item this... I recently picked up a curiosity item via 'trade me' ... a cosmetically excellent Sansui D550M for peanuts. ($6.00!!!)... needed new belts etc... and the owner didn't want to go to the effort of repairing it. I've always liked Sansui SC3330's to look at, and these are as rare as hens teeth in NZ, so though this was worth a look and not much of a risk. Got it home, lifted the lid and blow me down.. a sankyo transport very similar to those in the BX/CR series, just solendoid operated rather than cam/motor. The 550M is effectively a 3 head, single capstan direct drive transport, and the DD capstan motor looks similar to those fitted to the BX300/CR5, though I haven't been under the bonnet of those two for a while to be absolutely sure... Anyway, the problem wasn't belts at all...just the notorious sankyo tire.. replaced in a jiffy with a 'nak' one. The only 'belt' in it is a slave drive off the main capstan to a rotating pin where the supply capstan would be in a Nak, presumably to tension the tape over the heads, and was easily replaced by one from the DSE generic belt kit. The deck is now 100% functional and sounds good, though not quite as musical as an Aiwa. My point is this.. anybody know how many other machines use variations on this transport? as they may potentially make good parts mules for our Naks.. maybe.... cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregoryfuentes at att.net Sun Apr 2 09:27:59 2006 From: gregoryfuentes at att.net (gregoryfuentes at att.net) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:27:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7 and Gear Idlers Message-ID: <040220060727.21657.442F7CFE000A3F3E0000549921604666489C0A9B020A9A00979D01090A9D09@att.net> > I purchased a CR-7A in 1989. > > The serial number of this Nak is A130 12227. > > I've never had to have the deck serviced, as far as I know. It seems to > be working fine. I probably use the deck less than four hours a week, > on an average. > > from some posts I've read, my understanding is that early CR-7s had a > rubber idler, whereas later CR-7s had a gear idler, and that the gear > idlers last much longer. > > Based on my serial number, is my CR-7 likely to have a gear idler. > > Additionally, is Stephen Sank feeling better and more active with Naks > these days? > > thanks. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Apr 2 12:39:12 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:39:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442F2BBA.9020000@yahoo.ca> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> <442F12C4.1070908@xs4all.nl> <442F2BBA.9020000@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <442FA9D0.6070200@xs4all.nl> Hi, That could be even nicer, i'll have a look at the service manuals. What I do know is that the following decks should be compatible, although they have a larger pcb but the connectors seem the same: DR-2 DR-3 DR-8 Cassette Deck 1.5 Cassette Deck 2 So basically the newer models based on the CR decks. Wouter Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi, > > It could probably be done on the BXs too. The BXs seem to have the > same PCB, so, just a supposition, maybe we can remove the black plates > with the contacts from the original pluig and put the other ones instead. > > Wouter Heijke a écrit : >> Here is how it's done illustrated with some pictures: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mods/goldrca/ >> >> Wouter >> >> Wouter Heijke wrote: >>> I've just pimped my CR-1 with gold output connectors. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Apr 2 12:44:57 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:44:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442FAB29.80701@xs4all.nl> Thanks Alex! It is basically a useless modification, but it looks nicer to me, was cheap to do, fun to find the part and most of all fun to actually do it. Wouter Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Wouter! > > Lovely photos...only I want to know "WHY"...it's needed to change the > Nickel ones for such "Gold" coated ones?...I clean twice a year all my > contacts on my whole stereo set...extremely well do it...& continue > enjoying my gear with NO problems at all. Wouter...only my sole > curiosity! > > Superbly work! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 2 13:05:39 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 04:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: <442F11BD.4020100@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060402110539.222.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, Well now you can see why the 680ZX has a cult following just like the 600/ 600II. Its second to the cult following of the later, but no other deck has a devotion. Every other deck has detractors, but these two decks have their faithful. And now that you have got it, you don't wanna give it back to the person you loaned it from..hehe! As I say to all those who are pleased with their Naks - Welcome to the club! Regards Bala 79Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Very good Kermit, it will be interesting to see what you discover. > > I can very much usnderstand your point about compatibility issues now, but I > guess I haven't been faced with that as I pretty much stuck to Naks after > discovering how much better they were then anything I had used in the past, > back in the 80's, and I was mainly recording for myself and other family > members and friends who discovered the Naks though my suggestion and bought > them too. Oh well, you gotta Nak you don't really need another cassette deck, yes!. Today I powered up my newly acquired (loaned) Nak 680ZX and decided to put it through its paces. It's first ever working pad-lifter deck and first deck with auto-azimuth. First, the auto azimuth is atounding. Worst case test: play tapes that were made on my evil green Wollensak. They sound clearer than ever. Any deck that can makese tapes sound good has my respect. Recording quality is incredible. It has everything I like about my 600-II's and 600's sound but the 6809ZX has stronger, more defined bass and a bit clearer treble. I gave into a moment of madness and recorded with the peaks up to +10 with Chrome TDK SA. A bit spitty on cymbals and a bit harde-dged overall BUT better sound than anything my Pioneer CT-F7272 ever did. Recording with peaks to +5 dB, no Dolby frankly was flawless. No complaints. Recording a +5 with Dolby on did produce some mistracking with brief transients and added a barely discernable overall hardness with piano. But it equalled the 600-II with recording level set to only +0 dB! The 680ZX can indeed provide 5 dB more level with the same overall sound quality. Finally, I opened up an SKC metal cassette I bought recently and tried it out. Usually I am unimpressed with metal cassettes. With no Dolby I recorded levels to +10 dB and had the surprise of my life. Incredibly clean and open withoujt the midrange roughness I'm used to hearing with metal cassettes recorded on either my Revox B710 or B&O Becord 9000. Recording with Dolby brought back the hardness, though. Reducing the level to +5 seemed to elminiate the hardness. I'm changing my mind on metal cassettes. Recorded with this 680ZX metal cassettes are wonderful. I am astounded by this deck! Frankly, it beats the Revox B710 (not by much but it does), but with metal cassettes the 680ZX comes alive and is very detailed and musical while the Revox is hard and sterile. The B&O isn't worth talking about in comparison. For the record, the 600 and 600-II still remain my favorites, simply because I know them so well I can get exactly the sound I want, but I have to admit the 680ZX has won me over. I almost feel guilty, like I'm cheating on my first love, but the 680ZX has such clarity and it is so quiet that I have to say it's probably going to become my most-used deck. > And I only added the comment about recording beyond the manual > recommendation out of interest, I also said that even though I was amazed > they could be pushed much higher I always stuck to their recommended levels, > I was just remarking that thier recommendations seemed to be conservative, > just as I have heard that thier published specs tend to be conservative. Mised that. Sorry. 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URL: From wjw at warwick.net Sun Apr 2 13:10:53 2006 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:10:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette delamination References: Message-ID: <442FB13D.597CEBD1@warwick.net> That appears to be a very old BASF tape that was delaminating- either that or it was stored in the kitty box. Years ago (very late 60s or very early 70s) there was a batch of TDK tapes that developed that problem. It was fairly early on in cassette technology. They were normal bias TDK in the old 'gray' shells (might not have been anything but normal bias tape back then- that I don't know). Something about the 'binder' used in the manufacturing, but they were loosing oxide like crazy and they could really gunk up a tape deck when played. TDK offered to replace all the tapes once the problem was discovered, and they solved the problem pretty quickly. Have never had a problem with them since. Since that time I haven't heard of any similar problems with cassettes. I have some real 'cheapo' cassette tapes used for recording radio programs back in the mid 80s, and they still play fine. Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Rich! > > Lovely article and superbly "Patience"...making such "Splicing"...I also > have at least 8 "Feed Arms" BASF cassettes mostly Chrome and maybe a few > more Ferric ones...among us...really don't want to "Try" them on my lovely > Dragon...for what & why???? looking for trouble...NO thanks! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > >From: "Richard L. Hess" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Cassette delamination > >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:38:58 -0500 > > > >Any of you folks seen this? > >http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/03/31/project-notes-advanced-oxide-delamination-of-a-cassette/ > >Nak content: the good parts after splicing out the flakes in the middle > >were played on a Dragon. > > > >Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com > >Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ > >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Apr 2 13:18:36 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:18:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: <20060402110539.222.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060402110539.222.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <442FB30C.7010500@xs4all.nl> Exactly! This has until today been my problem as well... I never thought I would like the 70's Naks until I got my first one.... Same for the CR decks... The 680ZX is one of my favorite Naks, so join the club! Be amazed even more Kermit and do some recording in long-play mode...this reminds me I have to do this sometime again as well! It's like that, every Nak has it's own character! The only problem in this case are the looks of one's woman when another deck arrives... Wouter Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > Well now you can see why the 680ZX has a cult following > just like the 600/ 600II. Its second to the cult following of the > later, but no other deck has a devotion. Every other deck has > detractors, but these two decks have their faithful. > > And now that you have got it, you don't wanna give it back to the > person you loaned it from..hehe! > > As I say to all those who are pleased with their Naks - > > Welcome to the club! > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 2 13:10:29 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:10:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! Message-ID: Dear Wouter! Cute response!!!!! Bravo & enjoy! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! >Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:44:57 +0200 > >Thanks Alex! >It is basically a useless modification, but it looks nicer to me, was cheap >to do, fun to find the part and most of all fun to actually do it. >Wouter > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Shalom Wouter! >> >>Lovely photos...only I want to know "WHY"...it's needed to change the >>Nickel ones for such "Gold" coated ones?...I clean twice a year all my >>contacts on my whole stereo set...extremely well do it...& continue >>enjoying my gear with NO problems at all. Wouter...only my sole curiosity! >> >>Superbly work! >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lists at richardhess.com Sun Apr 2 13:31:07 2006 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:31:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette delamination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060402072243.040df9b0@richardhess.com> Shalom, Alex! The chrome tapes may not delaminate like the ferric--chrome tapes which are double-coated with the two coatings. The "feed arm" BASF tapes were considered top-of-the-line in their day. What I have is an older portable cassette machine that I have modified for winding tapes as shown here http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/03/06/loading-c-0-cassettes/ and after splicing out the bad section, I wound the tape end-to-end in that machine before putting it in the Dragon. I would certainly suggest NOT using your ferric-chrome cassettes (Type 3) but I wouldn't think that the standard chrome would be an issue. However, the issue with this tape was that it came from a Canadian resident and had been recently mailed (within 1-2 years) from Romania from their family and there were grandparents' voices and the voice of a niece or cousin that he had never met on it. So these are the things you have to transfer, and yes, it does risk needing to clean the Dragon, but that's part of the risk of my business and I charge accordingly. In this case, no more flaking. The Dragon was amazing with signal-to-noise ratio--in fact the Type 3 tape was as well! We had to boost the last voice section 30 dB and it was only on one of the stereo tracks. OY! But with Algorithmix Noise-Free Pro we got something much better than just "intelligible." Cheers, Richard At 10:12 PM 4/1/2006, you wrote: >Shalom Rich! > >Lovely article and superbly "Patience"...making such "Splicing"...I >also have at least 8 "Feed Arms" BASF cassettes mostly Chrome and >maybe a few more Ferric ones...among us...really don't want to "Try" >them on my lovely Dragon...for what & why???? looking for trouble...NO thanks! > >>From: "Richard L. Hess" >>Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:38:58 -0500 >> >>Any of you folks seen this? >>http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/03/31/project-notes-advanced-oxide-delamination-of-a-cassette/ >>Nak content: the good parts after splicing out the flakes in the >>middle were played on a Dragon. > >Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 2 15:57:39 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:57:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7 and Gear Idlers In-Reply-To: <040220060727.21657.442F7CFE000A3F3E0000549921604666489C0A9B020A9A00979D01090A9D09@att.net> References: <040220060727.21657.442F7CFE000A3F3E0000549921604666489C0A9B020A9A00979D01090A9D09@att.net> Message-ID: <442FD853.1000906@rcn.com> According to Stephen Sank, the point at which the gear idler was introduced was somewhere around S/N A130-09500. Your deck should be all set. -- Ron gregoryfuentes at att.net wrote: >> I purchased a CR-7A in 1989. >> >> The serial number of this Nak is A130 12227. >> >> I've never had to have the deck serviced, as far as I know. It seems to >> be working fine. I probably use the deck less than four hours a week, >> on an average. >> >> from some posts I've read, my understanding is that early CR-7s had a >> rubber idler, whereas later CR-7s had a gear idler, and that the gear >> idlers last much longer. >> >> Based on my serial number, is my CR-7 likely to have a gear idler. >> >> Additionally, is Stephen Sank feeling better and more active with Naks >> these days? >> >> thanks. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 2 16:13:06 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:13:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette delamination Message-ID: Shalom Rich! Never acquired any Basf Ferro-Chrome...only Real Chrome & a few "Red" ones Ferric type 1, don't intend to use them with my Dragon...WHY to get problems...??? Yes you MUST...as you wrote me, I really can forget those near 32 years old tapes! well guarded, but....after that I saw how hard you work....really Rich..I will leave them "Resting in Peace"! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Richard L. Hess" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette delamination >Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:31:07 -0400 > >Shalom, Alex! > >The chrome tapes may not delaminate like the ferric--chrome tapes which are >double-coated with the two coatings. The "feed arm" BASF tapes were >considered top-of-the-line in their day. > >What I have is an older portable cassette machine that I have modified for >winding tapes as shown here >http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/03/06/loading-c-0-cassettes/ >and after splicing out the bad section, I wound the tape end-to-end in that >machine before putting it in the Dragon. > >I would certainly suggest NOT using your ferric-chrome cassettes (Type 3) >but I wouldn't think that the standard chrome would be an issue. > >However, the issue with this tape was that it came from a Canadian resident >and had been recently mailed (within 1-2 years) from Romania from their >family and there were grandparents' voices and the voice of a niece or >cousin that he had never met on it. So these are the things you have to >transfer, and yes, it does risk needing to clean the Dragon, but that's >part of the risk of my business and I charge accordingly. In this case, no >more flaking. > >The Dragon was amazing with signal-to-noise ratio--in fact the Type 3 tape >was as well! We had to boost the last voice section 30 dB and it was only >on one of the stereo tracks. OY! But with Algorithmix Noise-Free Pro we got >something much better than just "intelligible." > >Cheers, > >Richard > >At 10:12 PM 4/1/2006, you wrote: >>Shalom Rich! >> >>Lovely article and superbly "Patience"...making such "Splicing"...I also >>have at least 8 "Feed Arms" BASF cassettes mostly Chrome and maybe a few >>more Ferric ones...among us...really don't want to "Try" them on my lovely >>Dragon...for what & why???? looking for trouble...NO thanks! >> >>>From: "Richard L. Hess" >>>Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:38:58 -0500 >>> >>>Any of you folks seen this? >>>http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/03/31/project-notes-advanced-oxide-delamination-of-a-cassette/ >>>Nak content: the good parts after splicing out the flakes in the middle >>>were played on a Dragon. >> >>Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >>Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >>Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 2 17:31:42 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:31:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: <442F11BD.4020100@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Wow, that is pretty impressive! I had a similar experience while living in Texas back in the 80's. I went to a party where a guy had some really fancy equipment, including a very expensive Revox, a lot more expensive then my ZX7. Sorry, I can't remember the model at this point, but he was convinced that this was the king of Cassette decks and had not even looked at Naks out of some sort of distain for them. Anyway, to make the story short, I challenged him about it and so he had me bring mine over to his house a few days later and we did some serious comparisons... by the time I left he was apologizing, and sort of drooling all over my ZX7. (well, maybe not drooling, but he was definitely impressed!) :~) By the way, I finally remembered what one of my early cassette decks was, it was a Dual C919 http://www.compassnet.com/concept/Tapes/C919.htm, (not a Tandberg) ...pretty good deck but when I finally got a Nak I was just amazed. Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 3:50 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Hi Tech Subject: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Very good Kermit, it will be interesting to see what you discover. > > I can very much usnderstand your point about compatibility issues now, but I > guess I haven't been faced with that as I pretty much stuck to Naks after > discovering how much better they were then anything I had used in the past, > back in the 80's, and I was mainly recording for myself and other family > members and friends who discovered the Naks though my suggestion and bought > them too. Oh well, you gotta Nak you don't really need another cassette deck, yes!. Today I powered up my newly acquired (loaned) Nak 680ZX and decided to put it through its paces. It's first ever working pad-lifter deck and first deck with auto-azimuth. First, the auto azimuth is atounding. Worst case test: play tapes that were made on my evil green Wollensak. They sound clearer than ever. Any deck that can makese tapes sound good has my respect. Recording quality is incredible. It has everything I like about my 600-II's and 600's sound but the 6809ZX has stronger, more defined bass and a bit clearer treble. I gave into a moment of madness and recorded with the peaks up to +10 with Chrome TDK SA. A bit spitty on cymbals and a bit harde-dged overall BUT better sound than anything my Pioneer CT-F7272 ever did. Recording with peaks to +5 dB, no Dolby frankly was flawless. No complaints. Recording a +5 with Dolby on did produce some mistracking with brief transients and added a barely discernable overall hardness with piano. But it equalled the 600-II with recording level set to only +0 dB! The 680ZX can indeed provide 5 dB more level with the same overall sound quality. Finally, I opened up an SKC metal cassette I bought recently and tried it out. Usually I am unimpressed with metal cassettes. With no Dolby I recorded levels to +10 dB and had the surprise of my life. Incredibly clean and open withoujt the midrange roughness I'm used to hearing with metal cassettes recorded on either my Revox B710 or B&O Becord 9000. Recording with Dolby brought back the hardness, though. Reducing the level to +5 seemed to elminiate the hardness. I'm changing my mind on metal cassettes. Recorded with this 680ZX metal cassettes are wonderful. I am astounded by this deck! Frankly, it beats the Revox B710 (not by much but it does), but with metal cassettes the 680ZX comes alive and is very detailed and musical while the Revox is hard and sterile. The B&O isn't worth talking about in comparison. For the record, the 600 and 600-II still remain my favorites, simply because I know them so well I can get exactly the sound I want, but I have to admit the 680ZX has won me over. I almost feel guilty, like I'm cheating on my first love, but the 680ZX has such clarity and it is so quiet that I have to say it's probably going to become my most-used deck. > And I only added the comment about recording beyond the manual > recommendation out of interest, I also said that even though I was amazed > they could be pushed much higher I always stuck to their recommended levels, > I was just remarking that thier recommendations seemed to be conservative, > just as I have heard that thier published specs tend to be conservative. Mised that. Sorry. I don't see to well, admittedly. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wouter Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi, > > It could probably be done on the BXs too. The BXs seem to have the > same PCB, so, just a supposition, maybe we can remove the black plates > with the contacts from the original pluig and put the other ones instead. > > Wouter Heijke a écrit : >> Here is how it's done illustrated with some pictures: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mods/goldrca/ >> >> Wouter >> >> Wouter Heijke wrote: >>> I've just pimped my CR-1 with gold output connectors. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 2 18:02:45 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:02:45 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <442EED10.9000700@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit: One other thing I was going comment about, as far as the compatibility issue with Naks is concerned (not sure if this applies to the earlier ones).. it wasn't just a setup equalization difference, the heads on the Naks were extremely narrow and this was another reason I had understood that the sound could not be matched or duplicated when playing back a Nak recorded cassette on another brand. For me it wasn't too much of an issue because the only other place I played my tapes (copies of them) was in my car deck or my walkman, but I can see how making copies for other decks to play back on would be a real problem, even if the other decks have perfectly aligned playback heads to what the Nak was recorded at. Probably, for best compatibility, one would have better results using a Revox or some other top brand to make recordings? Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:14 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Hi Tech Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > I would request you do one thing though... irregradless of the standards; > please do a distrotion test of a recording at the 0db point you want, and > also at the Nak suggested level for the 3 head deck being tested. Of course, this is standard operating procedure. > I know you > don't have a ZX7, but maybe you have another 3 head Nax from that same time > period you could test... just be sure it was calibrated to the Nak standards > using their setup tapes, and all the rest of their alignment proceedures in > thier service manual as that is the only way we can get an accurate > measurement of what they designed the deck to do. Of course, again this is standard operating procedure. > I think you have to leave the idea of compatibility out of the issue at this > point.. Perhaps with certain model Nakamichis, because of the EQ differences but not with other brands of cassettes. I was addressing my remarks to cassette decks as a whole, not to specifically one brand of cassette deck. > I know that is ceratinly one of my lowest priorities when I make a > tape on my ZX7. That's fine but for me compatibility IS a prime issue for me, and always WILL be a prime issue for me. Unlike others on the list my cassette decks spend most of their time earning money for me, so I absolutely have to consider compatibility. When I use my Nakamichi to make a tape that will be played on other brands, I use a touch of high-frequency EQ to compensate for the EQ differences. I admit this is a step few others will need to take. Recognizing that non-pro users of cassette decks will have different priorities, I have been recomending the previously mentioned series of listening tests so that the individual can optimize their recording technique to suit the sound they desire and to suit their individual purposes. > What I want is the best reproduction of the original, not > how will it will play back on a Kenwood or other brand, and Nakamichi has > already assured that non compatibility by the very fact that their heads > have much higher saturation levels then any ones elses and they use > different equilization levels and curves, right? I too want is the best reproduction of the original, and have not exprienced a situation where this cannot be achieved without retaining at least some degree of compatibility. Because I have other brands of cassette decks in my collection I do not want to have to be limited to only one brand of tape deck to play a specific tape. This is called practicality. I'd probably feel differently if I owned only Nakamichi decks. Achieving the best reproduction of the original means achieving a balance between the mutually exclusive extremes of lowest noise and lowest distortion. Higher recording levels reduce noise and increase dynamic range, lower levels reduce distorition. Interestingly, I've found that consistently I achieve the best reproduction of the original when I keep levels at the standard fluxivities -- this gives me an optimum balance of low noise, wide dynamic range and low distortion. The impressive thing about Nakamichi cassette decks is that you can through caution to the wind, bury the meters while recording levels so hot that other deck would distort horribly playing the tapes -- yet the Nakamichi can give better sound (even in worst-case situations) than mos other brads can achieve under ideal conditions. This is one reason I love my Nakamichi decks so much. I must add though that although Naks can indeed record higher levels and still sound good, I wouldn't try it with other brands (with a few exceptions like Studer-Revox and Arcam) if you care about low distortion. Hey, I think your experience is fabulous! If you're finding that with your deck you achieve the best reproduction of the original by pushing levels as far as possible, that's fine. That's why listening tests are recommended - so you know for certain how to get the best out of your deck regardless of what the manual or the sdtandard says. That's why I've been suggesting controlled listening tests at different recording elvels as a means for the individual to decide what levels are the best for their tastes and purposes. Also this protocol is an easy way to eliminate the tendency to be dogmatic about the "best" way to set levels. Admittedly for some live recordings where I need as much dynamic range as possible I use a Nak and occasionally let the levels run hotter than standard, grudgingly allowing higher distortion on brief peaks. Also in those situations I use an outboard dbx NR to achieve the wide dynamic range without needing to consistently push recording levels above standard fluxivities. As far as the EQ differences, other than my Revox B710, my non-Nak decks aren't as good as the NBaks, and the EQ differences between the Naks and the other brands can be resolved satifactorily by setting the other decks eq selector setting "incorrectly" during playback, or by a touch of the treble control on the stereo. Nevertheless the most important thing to me is that everyone get the best sound they can out of their cassette decks regardless of the standard they choose for setting levels. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 2 21:02:45 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:02:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: <442F11BD.4020100@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: I keep thinking of things to add on this interesting thread... if you like the 680ZX, I think you would love the ZX7 or ZX9. They both have the advantage of a more accurate record head azimuth adjustment, instead of the auto adjustment in the 680-681-682ZX along with a fool proof, fast, 1-2-3 azimuth-levels-bias setup that can be done in about 30 seconds or less. The 680-681ZX have a built in 400hz tone for levels adjustment, but again, it's automatic with no user control like you get with the ZX7 or ZX9. Only the 681-682ZX include a 15k built in tone for bias frequencies adjustment, like the ZX7 & ZX9 have. The 680ZX only has Dolby B, while the 681 & 682ZX include Dolby C with better tracking, less distortion, higher headroom and better signal to noise ratio, as do the ZX7 & ZX9 The 600 series have pitch control unlike the ZX7-9, but I'm not sure that's such a big deal, I am more pleased with the cue control built in the ZX7 & 9 and find it more useful, but I know that's a personal preference. Not sure if you are all aware of this, but the ZX7 & 9 were used as reference decks through the 1980's for most of the tape deck reviews in the Stereo magazines. I'm just surprised I don't see more discussion about them here on this forum, maybe they weren't as readily available in Europe at the time they were being made, or maybe the exchange rate wasn't good at the time, but I don't see too many mentioned by people living in Europe and elsewhere. Doane --------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 3:50 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Hi Tech Subject: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Very good Kermit, it will be interesting to see what you discover. > > I can very much usnderstand your point about compatibility issues now, but I > guess I haven't been faced with that as I pretty much stuck to Naks after > discovering how much better they were then anything I had used in the past, > back in the 80's, and I was mainly recording for myself and other family > members and friends who discovered the Naks though my suggestion and bought > them too. Oh well, you gotta Nak you don't really need another cassette deck, yes!. Today I powered up my newly acquired (loaned) Nak 680ZX and decided to put it through its paces. It's first ever working pad-lifter deck and first deck with auto-azimuth. First, the auto azimuth is atounding. Worst case test: play tapes that were made on my evil green Wollensak. They sound clearer than ever. Any deck that can makese tapes sound good has my respect. Recording quality is incredible. It has everything I like about my 600-II's and 600's sound but the 6809ZX has stronger, more defined bass and a bit clearer treble. I gave into a moment of madness and recorded with the peaks up to +10 with Chrome TDK SA. A bit spitty on cymbals and a bit harde-dged overall BUT better sound than anything my Pioneer CT-F7272 ever did. Recording with peaks to +5 dB, no Dolby frankly was flawless. No complaints. Recording a +5 with Dolby on did produce some mistracking with brief transients and added a barely discernable overall hardness with piano. But it equalled the 600-II with recording level set to only +0 dB! The 680ZX can indeed provide 5 dB more level with the same overall sound quality. Finally, I opened up an SKC metal cassette I bought recently and tried it out. Usually I am unimpressed with metal cassettes. With no Dolby I recorded levels to +10 dB and had the surprise of my life. Incredibly clean and open withoujt the midrange roughness I'm used to hearing with metal cassettes recorded on either my Revox B710 or B&O Becord 9000. Recording with Dolby brought back the hardness, though. Reducing the level to +5 seemed to elminiate the hardness. I'm changing my mind on metal cassettes. Recorded with this 680ZX metal cassettes are wonderful. I am astounded by this deck! Frankly, it beats the Revox B710 (not by much but it does), but with metal cassettes the 680ZX comes alive and is very detailed and musical while the Revox is hard and sterile. The B&O isn't worth talking about in comparison. For the record, the 600 and 600-II still remain my favorites, simply because I know them so well I can get exactly the sound I want, but I have to admit the 680ZX has won me over. I almost feel guilty, like I'm cheating on my first love, but the 680ZX has such clarity and it is so quiet that I have to say it's probably going to become my most-used deck. > And I only added the comment about recording beyond the manual > recommendation out of interest, I also said that even though I was amazed > they could be pushed much higher I always stuck to their recommended levels, > I was just remarking that thier recommendations seemed to be conservative, > just as I have heard that thier published specs tend to be conservative. Mised that. Sorry. I don't see to well, admittedly. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From rob at rhoag.com Mon Apr 3 00:59:41 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:59:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Message-ID: Bala: I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes when they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what you have to say. I've asked you several times about this but get no answer from you, can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts do this but yours. thanks, Doane -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 3 05:39:20 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060403033920.30148.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane, The 680ZX wasa very different machine amongst Nak line-up of decks. It does not have any correction systems or adjusments (except AAA and rec levels) and has a very simple circuit. But thats where its main strengths lies - rugged reliability with superb sound quality. When I initially played some 78rpm transcripts, something unexpected happened. The 78s were played using a Goldring GL78 turntable with a idler-drive. In the shop where those tapes were made, the workers do not dis-engage the idler at the end of the day. And so the rubber idles developed a flat spot. Initially, I thought only some of the program material had this problem. But the 680ZX revealed that ALL tapes had a serious problems. The four woofers on my speakers were working serious travel reporducing those noises! The 680ZX gave me the biggest wow when I listened to cassettes, the next only by the 1000ZXL. Similiar like Kermit, I have recorded all the way up to +10dB with no clipping (on Type IV tape). Its capable of reproducing large scale works very nicely with not much of the typical tape compression. Regards Bala 79Labs Doane Hoag wrote: Wow, that is pretty impressive! I had a similar experience while living in Texas back in the 80's. I went to a party where a guy had some really fancy equipment, including a very expensive Revox, a lot more expensive then my ZX7. Sorry, I can't remember the model at this point, but he was convinced that this was the king of Cassette decks and had not even looked at Naks out of some sort of distain for them. Anyway, to make the story short, I challenged him about it and so he had me bring mine over to his house a few days later and we did some serious comparisons... by the time I left he was apologizing, and sort of drooling all over my ZX7. (well, maybe not drooling, but he was definitely impressed!) :~) By the way, I finally remembered what one of my early cassette decks was, it was a Dual C919 http://www.compassnet.com/concept/Tapes/C919.htm, (not a Tandberg) ...pretty good deck but when I finally got a Nak I was just amazed. Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 3:50 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Hi Tech Subject: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Very good Kermit, it will be interesting to see what you discover. > > I can very much usnderstand your point about compatibility issues now, but I > guess I haven't been faced with that as I pretty much stuck to Naks after > discovering how much better they were then anything I had used in the past, > back in the 80's, and I was mainly recording for myself and other family > members and friends who discovered the Naks though my suggestion and bought > them too. Oh well, you gotta Nak you don't really need another cassette deck, yes!. Today I powered up my newly acquired (loaned) Nak 680ZX and decided to put it through its paces. It's first ever working pad-lifter deck and first deck with auto-azimuth. First, the auto azimuth is atounding. Worst case test: play tapes that were made on my evil green Wollensak. They sound clearer than ever. Any deck that can makese tapes sound good has my respect. Recording quality is incredible. It has everything I like about my 600-II's and 600's sound but the 6809ZX has stronger, more defined bass and a bit clearer treble. I gave into a moment of madness and recorded with the peaks up to +10 with Chrome TDK SA. A bit spitty on cymbals and a bit harde-dged overall BUT better sound than anything my Pioneer CT-F7272 ever did. Recording with peaks to +5 dB, no Dolby frankly was flawless. No complaints. Recording a +5 with Dolby on did produce some mistracking with brief transients and added a barely discernable overall hardness with piano. But it equalled the 600-II with recording level set to only +0 dB! The 680ZX can indeed provide 5 dB more level with the same overall sound quality. Finally, I opened up an SKC metal cassette I bought recently and tried it out. Usually I am unimpressed with metal cassettes. With no Dolby I recorded levels to +10 dB and had the surprise of my life. Incredibly clean and open withoujt the midrange roughness I'm used to hearing with metal cassettes recorded on either my Revox B710 or B&O Becord 9000. Recording with Dolby brought back the hardness, though. Reducing the level to +5 seemed to elminiate the hardness. I'm changing my mind on metal cassettes. Recorded with this 680ZX metal cassettes are wonderful. I am astounded by this deck! Frankly, it beats the Revox B710 (not by much but it does), but with metal cassettes the 680ZX comes alive and is very detailed and musical while the Revox is hard and sterile. The B&O isn't worth talking about in comparison. For the record, the 600 and 600-II still remain my favorites, simply because I know them so well I can get exactly the sound I want, but I have to admit the 680ZX has won me over. I almost feel guilty, like I'm cheating on my first love, but the 680ZX has such clarity and it is so quiet that I have to say it's probably going to become my most-used deck. > And I only added the comment about recording beyond the manual > recommendation out of interest, I also said that even though I was amazed > they could be pushed much higher I always stuck to their recommended levels, > I was just remarking that thier recommendations seemed to be conservative, > just as I have heard that thier published specs tend to be conservative. Mised that. Sorry. I don't see to well, admittedly. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! 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Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 09:29:47 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:29:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10604030029s24d8f52m51baf17a5ded45d1@mail.gmail.com> Doane, I don't have this problem wth Bala's emails and apparently no one else does either, since you seem to be the only one complaining. Could it be your settings that need fixing ? George On 4/2/06, Doane Hoag wrote: > Bala: > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes when > they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what you have to > say. I've asked you several times about this but get no answer from you, > can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts do this but yours. > > thanks, > Doane > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Apr 3 09:45:25 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 3:45:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Message-ID: <20060403074526.IIUM3988.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> True, I don't have a problem with Bala's posts either. In fact, I have no problem reading anyones post and they do not wrap. I am using Netscape on my laptop and later I retrieve my emails from the server on my desktop using Eudora Pro 4.0 > > From: "george valkov" > Date: 2006/04/03 Mon AM 03:29:47 EDT > To: rob at rhoag.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters > > Doane, > > I don't have this problem wth Bala's emails and apparently no one else > does either, since you seem to be the only one complaining. Could it > be your settings that need fixing ? > > George > > On 4/2/06, Doane Hoag wrote: > > Bala: > > > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes when > > they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what you have to > > say. I've asked you several times about this but get no answer from you, > > can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts do this but yours. > > > > thanks, > > Doane > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From enoyes at snet.net Mon Apr 3 13:09:02 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:09:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4431024E.2060009@snet.net> Hi Doane, For what it's worth, Bala's posts wrap just fine on my computer. Ed Doane Hoag wrote: >Bala: > >I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes when >they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what you have to >say. I've asked you several times about this but get no answer from you, >can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts do this but yours. > >thanks, >Doane > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 3 14:24:42 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:24:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <20060403074526.IIUM3988.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Message-ID: <001801c65719$96ffc020$7300a8c0@Shaun> Same goes for me. No problem at all. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net Sent: 03 April 2006 08:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters True, I don't have a problem with Bala's posts either. In fact, I have no problem reading anyones post and they do not wrap. I am using Netscape on my laptop and later I retrieve my emails from the server on my desktop using Eudora Pro 4.0 > > From: "george valkov" > Date: 2006/04/03 Mon AM 03:29:47 EDT > To: rob at rhoag.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters > > Doane, > > I don't have this problem wth Bala's emails and apparently no one else > does either, since you seem to be the only one complaining. Could it > be your settings that need fixing ? > > George > > On 4/2/06, Doane Hoag wrote: > > Bala: > > > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes > > when they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what > > you have to say. I've asked you several times about this but get no > > answer from you, can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts > > do this but yours. > > > > thanks, > > Doane > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > ====== > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1467 (20060402) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Apr 3 14:47:11 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:47:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Message-ID: Bala's posts are fine on Novell GroupWise 6.5 >>> spmontgomery at ntlworld.com 4/3/2006 2:24:42 PM >>> Same goes for me. No problem at all. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net Sent: 03 April 2006 08:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters True, I don't have a problem with Bala's posts either. In fact, I have no problem reading anyones post and they do not wrap. I am using Netscape on my laptop and later I retrieve my emails from the server on my desktop using Eudora Pro 4.0 > > From: "george valkov" > Date: 2006/04/03 Mon AM 03:29:47 EDT > To: rob at rhoag.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters > > Doane, > > I don't have this problem wth Bala's emails and apparently no one else > does either, since you seem to be the only one complaining. Could it > be your settings that need fixing ? > > George > > On 4/2/06, Doane Hoag wrote: > > Bala: > > > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes > > when they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what > > you have to say. I've asked you several times about this but get no > > answer from you, can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts > > do this but yours. > > > > thanks, > > Doane > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > ====== > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1467 (20060402) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 3 14:52:09 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:52:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <001801c65719$96ffc020$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: Same!!!! ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:24:42 +0100 > >Same goes for me. No problem at all. > >Shaun > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of rjlbjk at cox.net >Sent: 03 April 2006 08:45 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters > > >True, I don't have a problem with Bala's posts either. In fact, I have no >problem reading anyones post and they do not wrap. > >I am using Netscape on my laptop and later I retrieve my emails from the >server on my desktop using Eudora Pro 4.0 > > > > From: "george valkov" > > Date: 2006/04/03 Mon AM 03:29:47 EDT > > To: rob at rhoag.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters > > > > Doane, > > > > I don't have this problem wth Bala's emails and apparently no one else > > does either, since you seem to be the only one complaining. Could it > > be your settings that need fixing ? > > > > George > > > > On 4/2/06, Doane Hoag wrote: > > > Bala: > > > > > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes > > > when they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what > > > you have to say. I've asked you several times about this but get no > > > answer from you, can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts > > > do this but yours. > > > > > > thanks, > > > Doane > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >__________ NOD32 1.1467 (20060402) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From william.foulkes at mcgill.ca Mon Apr 3 15:10:56 2006 From: william.foulkes at mcgill.ca (William Foullkes) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:10:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 8 References: <200604031000.k33A0LnF031609@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <007201c65720$0b4b92f0$0b7a10ac@MUHC.MCGILL.CA> I agree no problems here thanks Will ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:00 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 8 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re:Nak meters (george valkov) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:29:47 +0100 > From: "george valkov" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters > To: rob at rhoag.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > <518b7b10604030029s24d8f52m51baf17a5ded45d1 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Doane, > > I don't have this problem wth Bala's emails and apparently no one else > does either, since you seem to be the only one complaining. Could it > be your settings that need fixing ? > > George > > On 4/2/06, Doane Hoag wrote: > > Bala: > > > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes when > > they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what you have to > > say. I've asked you several times about this but get no answer from you, > > can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts do this but yours. > > > > thanks, > > Doane > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 8 > ************************************** > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 3 15:43:21 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:43:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44312679.9060806@rcn.com> Doane Hoag wrote: > Bala: > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes when > they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what you have to > say. I've asked you several times about this but get no answer from you, > can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts do this but yours. > > thanks, > Doane Bala's posts show up on my email reader in tiny, tiny characters. I use Mozzila Thunderbird. To easily fix, I hit CTRL + (the Control key and plus sign) a couple of times. To reduce size again, I hit CTRL -. To wrap text, I go to Tools\Options\Display and select 'Wrap text to fit window width'. This does it for me. Your email reader may differ, but I'll bet it has similar controls. -- Ron From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Mon Apr 3 15:51:18 2006 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:51:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Binaural recording In-Reply-To: <200604012134.k31LXc7R029131@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Well Kermit, I think you should share some of the stuff you recorded! Those who haven't tried binaural should. It's very interesting, although it comes up a little short of "real" for me. I would compare binaural to 3D movies - not quite real convincing, and a real lack of available quality material. I did make up a dummy head back in the 80s and recorded a few things, but kinda lost interest. I purchased a few recordings of dramas which were pretty interesting, but the "in the head" sensation was always there. Do you have the same sensations with your recordings? I suspect that if there were visual cues to go along with the audio, the brain would have an easier time sorting things out and maybe binaural would sound more realistic. My exploration of binaural happened about the same time I started reading about Carver's "Sonic Holography" preamps. I built a cross-talk cancellation circuit based on a "bucket brigade device" IC. I could get some really crazy effects with that unit by changing the cancellation magnitude and delay. I don't have a vault to hide it in, it's currently stored in the garage, next to my dummy head microphone! I did purchase a Carver preamp and still use it. I'm able to talk about it now, because someone on this forum mentioned he had some Polk SDA speakers, which implemented the same sort of cancellation by using extra speakers to produce the cancellation signal. >>My greatest professional disappointment was that I tried to do a binaural-only record label in the mid 80s but it didn't succeed. Not enough buyers. I thought with the Walkman craze that I had it made but I was wrong. Check out the Headwize web site. They have DIY projects for headphone amps that convert stereo recordings to binaural. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info!<< From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 3 15:49:17 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:49:17 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <442D9D75.1000509@woods-and-waters.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060331090858.008198a0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060331090858.008198a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060403084917.007a4470@earthlink.net> Kermit, Again, you are confusing pro (Dolby A is pro, and does use Ampex level as a standard) and consumer. I am looking at my Nak alignment tapes. The 400 Hz reference level, whis is Dolby op. level, says 20milliMaxwells / mm. I don't have a handy conversion to nanoWebers. My 20Khz cassette is listed as -20dB ref 200nWb/m which is what I recall as the Dolby standard reference level. The 185nWb/m you cite is indeed used by other manufacturers, Teac I believe, but is a lower level than Dolby or Nakamichi reference level. I can try to find references in various service manuals if you need citations, but I'm pretty confident that this state of chaos exists for consumer cassette. Please understand, you are 100% correct for reel to reel tape machines, and maybe for the Revox and tascam cassettes, but for other consumer stuff, the manufacturers did what they wanted to do. BTW, the defacto standard consumer reference output level is 1 volt for 0Vu. Ampex standard operating level is about +4.75 dB above nakamichi/Dolby 0Vu, or 1.775 v vs. 1 volt tom brucker At 03:21 PM 3/31/06 -0600, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >Acxtually, when professionals make cassette masters the de facto >standard to ensure that the peak levels are recorded at 0 dB, where 0 dB >is defined as 165 nW/m fluxivity. This ensures playability in all >cassette decks and players, whether a cheapie mono player or a high end >audiophile "superdeck." Note that professional cassette decks, like the >Arcam Delta, Ampex's short lived deck, Tascam and the Studer-Revox >products follwo this definition of 0 dB. > >No doubt you're right and consumer decks don't always calibrate their >meters to standard. This means they violate the standard, often to gain >a perceived marketing advantage by being able to boast better >signal-to-noise ratio, or greater headroom, or the ability to record at >"high levels" than a competitor's product. This is a compelling reason >to do controlled listening tests such as those I described earlier so >that you know both what your deck is doing and is capable of doing. > >Dolby level is indeed Ampex level for reel-to-reels. I've owned Dolby A >and SR units and was a Dolby licensed installer for many years. Dolby >places heavy emphasis on maintaining the reference level exactly, both >for compatibility among tapes and to ensure the encode/decode process >works correctly. One reason studios enjoyed Dolby is that it forced >everyone to use the same reference fluxivity standards, INCLUDING the >reference level for cassettes. Let me repeat that. One reason studios >enjoyed Dolby is that it forced everyone to use the same reference >fluxivity standards, INCLUDING the reference level for CASSETTES. > >As far as the Dolby B and C reference levels for cassettes, I'd have to >look those up to be certain, but I think it is 185 nW/m fluxivity. This >is why cassette deck meters put the Double-D symbol on the meters to >tell you where the reference level is. For best tracking, Dolby >recommends you not exceed that level as indicated by the position of the >Double-D. Dolby makes it a condition of their licensing for their NR >units that the meter indicate exactly where the Dolby Reference Level >is, regardless of how the manufacturer chooses to calibrate the meter. > >You can deduce how the manufacturer has decided to calibrate their >meters by comparing how where the Doulbe-D symbol is in relation to the >0 dB point. By the way, I don't recall ever seeing a cassette deck >fitted with a VU meter, even a pro cassette deck. Because of ther >limited headroom cassette decks are fitted with dB meters, albeit some >manufacturers' meters are next to useless. > >You're right, many bargraph meters are little more than light shows. >That description fits my Bang & Olufsen's meters perfectly! Personally, >I dislike bargraph meters. > >It's true that the convention is to align the cassette deck according to >the manufactuer's definition of 0dB (not VU) as referencedi in the >service manual. But this isn't mandatory. You can recalibrate the deck >so it is in exact compliance with one of the standards. Should you? >Probably not, but some decks do usually benefit from the recalibration, >like Teac and Pioneer. > >Those in the cassette duplication business have been complaining for >years about decks that violate standard and about test tapes that >contradict the standards. I've heard good arguments made that the >variances are a major tech problem with cassette decks. Calls for level >standardization have fallen on the deaf ears of both the cassette deck >manufacturers and the test tape makers! > >TDK has been making a behind the scenes power play to set a new cassette >level standard. They were successful in getting Teac to go along with >it. Why? Because it favors their tape formulations. In other words, the >TDK standard makes TDK cassettes look better than competitors with >regard to noise THD and maximum output level. Nice. > >The state of the cassette industry's Towr of Babel of nonstandard >fluxivity levels is a pet peeve of mine. I appreciate getting the >opportunity to air out my mind! > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Kermit, >> All the info you provided is correct for Pro machines. Japanese consumer >> stuff was all non-standard! To properly align cassette decks, you had to >> look in the service manual at the spec for 0Vu. What I did was to always >> use the Dolby Standard level and align to the symbol on the meters. The >> Nakamichi 0Vu was Dolby standard, but it stood almost alone in this. Dolby >> level was never Ampex level. IEC and JIS all had standards, but the odd >> thing is, a common test tape made by TDK and adopted by Teac, matched none >> of the existing standards. >> Crappy consumer meters have never claimed to match Pro VU meter specs. >> Even the LED types are more light shows than real meters. What matters most >> is peak values, and the point at which your deck saturates. >> I know it seems strange that cassette decks depart from tape alignemnt >> standards, but you have to remember that Philips patented this low fi >> format, Dolby made it mid fi, and Nakamichi took it Hi Fi. No one imagined >> at the beginning that 20-20k +-3dB , 56dB s/n and 0.06% w/f would EVER be >> realized, so who cared what reference level they used. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 10:05 PM 3/30/06 -0600, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> >>>Hi Tom, >>> >>> >>>>The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be >relative. >>>>0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. >>> >>>Uh, unless things have changed, 0-dB or 0-VU on a tape recorder >>>typically is defined as a specific level of fluxivity applied to the >>>tape by the record head. For cassette decks, I've seen 0-VU defined >>>variously as 165 nanoWeber per meter (nW/m) or 185 nW/m. Reel-to-reels >>>use other fluxivity references. My B77 achieves 0.6 % THD at 0-VU, which >>>for it at 15-ips is 256 nW/m reference fluxivity. >>> >>> >>>> The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is >>>>marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, >>>>and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese >standard, >>>>which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , >but >>>>Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one >>>>step >>>>further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were >>>>applied, so >>>>Dolby level was at -3Vu. >>> >>>>Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex >>>>standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu >>>>in Pro gear non-relative. >>> >>>I believe Ampex standard operating level today is 200 nW/m, although in >>>the past Ampex reference level was 250 nW/meter. I'll have to look it up >>>to refresh my memory. Dolby adopted the Ampex reference level as a >>>convenience. >>> >>>At preent, the IEC standard for level meters (IEC268-17) describes a >>>standard volume indicator for audio. It sets the Reference Volume at 0Vu >>>to be +4dBm (1.228 Vrms), in reference to 0.775Vrms for 0dBm or 0dBu. >>>The IEC further defines the meter shall be calibrated in Vu, with a >>>maximum value of +3Vu and a minimum value of -20Vu. Many cassette >>>recorders with "dB" or "peak reading" meters (especially the bargraph >>>types) adopted this standard or a slight variation thereof. >>> >>>Many studios still use VU meters, a specific device with specific meter >>>ballistics. The Volume Unit refers to a meter's rise time (of an RMS >>>sinusoidal stimulus covering a frequency range of 50 to 10,000 cps) such >>>that the meter wil read 66% of the input level within 330 milliSeconds. >>>Slow response times, but good for monitoring speech levels, such as >>>those experienced by telephone exchanges (the guys who developed the >>>standard a century ago) and radio broadcasters. >>> >>>Most modern studios use peak program meters or PPMs. These resemble VU >>>meters but have very different ballistics that allow for much tighter >>>control of peaks. >>> >>>0 dBv is indeed 1.77v into 600 ohms, whereas most older pro gear and >>>many newer pieces used the reference 0 dBm, where 0 dB is referred to 1 >>>milliwatt owr into 600 ohms. >>> >>>Confusingly, audio level in pro gear has historically been measured in >>>dBm (deciBel milliwatt) where 0dBm is defined as a load of 600 0hms >>>dissipating one milliwatt of power, resulting in a voltage across the >>>load is 0.775 Vrms. Most newer audio equipent has very low source >>>impedances, so the output levels are measured in dBu where 0dBu is >>>defined as a voltage of 0.775 Vrms across unspecified load impedance, >>>typically taken as either 10,000 ohms or 47,000 ohms bridging. dBu is >>>often confused with dBv, which actually isn't used very often in most >>>spec sheets. >>> >>>Makes you want to stay home and listen to the player piano instead, >>>doesn't it? (Joking). >>> >>>-- >>>Kermit Gray >>>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>>pro audio info! >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> >> > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 3 16:07:04 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:07:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <20060401012724.99724.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <442D9D75.1000509@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060403090704.0081dbe0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 12626 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Apr 3 16:18:45 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:18:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters References: Message-ID: <003701c65729$84f7b620$17d417c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> The strange thing is that they are ,like all others ,the same on mine! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doane Hoag" To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters > Bala: > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes when > they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what you have to > say. I've asked you several times about this but get no answer from you, > can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts do this but yours. > > thanks, > Doane > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 3 17:23:34 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060403090704.0081dbe0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060403152334.30442.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The fact that Nakamichi went their way and succeeded in bringing about better cassette reproduction proved that they had done some solid research. And that the changes they brought about (narrower track width, transport design, discrete heads etc..) were necessary to make cassettes achieve their fullest potential. What other maker (outside Japan) makes tapes to the same reference levels? I have not done any experiments, but I am feeling that calibrating decks of other makes to the Nak standard is going to make them even poorer in terms of specs and sound. Aiwa is already beginning to look bad. Bala 79Labs Hi Tech wrote: Excellent comment about meters as light shows! TDK never created standards, rather they manufactured test tapes to someone else's specification. Nakamichi was the OEM manufacturer of the Harman Kardon CAD-5 cassette deck, which along with the Wollensak based Advent 201 were the first cassettes to use Dolby B in America. I suspect that early link to Dolby is the reason Dolby operating level became the Nakamichi standard. The only Japanese manufactured 0Vu test tape I've seen is the Nakamichi 200nW/m Nakamichi has always caught flak for "deviating" from the Philips cassette standards. I always felt that they went their own way as pioneers. tom brucker At 05:27 PM 3/31/06 -0800, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>> A very important learning opportunity for all of us here indeed Kermit. Points well made. I have noticed the disparity between my Aiwa Excelia and Nakamichi decks. So far, when I did comparisons between Nak decks, there wasn't a problem. But I ran into some confusion when I was looking at decks from these two manufacturers. On a Aiwa F990, the Dolby reference level is pegged at +3dB. The same for Technics decks. On a Nakamichi 670ZX,and 600/II, they clearely marked the Dolby level at 0dB. Now my question is this - while TDK tapes were being used extensively by Nakamichi (even Nak tapes were made by them), why didn't Nak choose to use their standards? You are right about most meters being light shows. The worst I have seen were those tri-coloured bar meters. I think we had a discussion some time ago about some meters having red-coloured upper range. Seriously I don't find them any useful. Bala 79Labs "Kermit V. Gray" < wrote: Acxtually, when professionals make cassette masters the de facto standard to ensure that the peak levels are recorded at 0 dB, where 0 dB is defined as 165 nW/m fluxivity. This ensures playability in all cassette decks and players, whether a cheapie mono player or a high end audiophile "superdeck." Note that professional cassette decks, like the Arcam Delta, Ampex's short lived deck, Tascam and the Studer-Revox products follwo this definition of 0 dB. No doubt you're right and consumer decks don't always calibrate their meters to standard. This means they violate the standard, often to gain a perceived marketing advantage by being able to boast better signal-to-noise ratio, or greater headroom, or the ability to record at "high levels" than a competitor's product. This is a compelling reason to do controlled listening tests such as those I described earlier so that you know both what your deck is doing and is capable of doing. Dolby level is indeed Ampex level for reel-to-reels. I've owned Dolby A and SR units and was a Dolby licensed installer for many years. Dolby places heavy emphasis on maintaining the reference level exactly, both for compatibility among tapes and to ensure the encode/decode process works correctly. One reason studios enjoyed Dolby is that it forced everyone to use the same reference fluxivity standards, INCLUDING the reference level for cassettes. Let me repeat that. One reason studios enjoyed Dolby is that it forced everyone to use the same reference fluxivity standards, INCLUDING the reference level for CASSETTES. As far as the Dolby B and C reference levels for cassettes, I'd have to look those up to be certain, but I think it is 185 nW/m fluxivity. This is why cassette deck meters put the Double-D symbol on the meters to tell you where the reference level is. For best tracking, Dolby recommends you not exceed that level as indicated by the position of the Double-D. Dolby makes it a condition of their licensing for their NR units that the meter indicate exactly where the Dolby Reference Level is, regardless of how the manufacturer chooses to calibrate the meter. You can deduce how the manufacturer has decided to calibrate their meters by comparing how where the Doulbe-D symbol is in relation to the 0 dB point. By the way, I don't recall ever seeing a cassette deck fitted with a VU meter, even a pro cassette deck. Because of ther limited headroom cassette decks are fitted with dB meters, albeit some manufacturers' meters are next to useless. You're right, many bargraph meters are little more than light shows. That description fits my Bang & Olufsen's meters perfectly! Personally, I dislike bargraph meters. It's true that the convention is to align the cassette deck according to the manufactuer's definition of 0dB (not VU) as referencedi in the service manual. But this isn't mandatory. You can recalibrate the deck so it is in exact compliance with one of the standards. Should you? Probably not, but some decks do usually benefit from the recalibration, like Teac and Pioneer. Those in the cassette duplication business have been complaining for years about decks that violate standard and about test tapes that contradict the standards. I've heard good arguments made that the variances are a major tech problem with cassette decks. Calls for level standardization have fallen on the deaf ears of both the cassette deck manufacturers and the test tape makers! TDK has been making a behind the scenes power play to set a new cassette level standard. They were successful in getting Teac to go along with it. Why? Because it favors their tape formulations. In other words, the TDK standard makes TDK cassettes look better than competitors with regard to noise THD and maximum output level. Nice. The state of the cassette industry's Towr of Babel of nonstandard fluxivity levels is a pet peeve of mine. I appreciate getting the opportunity to air out my mind! Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > All the info you provided is correct for Pro machines. Japanese consumer > stuff was all non-standard! To properly align cassette decks, you had to > look in the service manual at the spec for 0Vu. What I did was to always > use the Dolby Standard level and align to the symbol on the meters. The > Nakamichi 0Vu was Dolby standard, but it stood almost alone in this. Dolby > level was never Ampex level. IEC and JIS all had standards, but the odd > thing is, a common test tape made by TDK and adopted by Teac, matched none > of the existing standards. > Crappy consumer meters have never claimed to match Pro VU meter specs. > Even the LED types are more light shows than real meters. What matters most > is peak values, and the point at which your deck saturates. > I know it seems strange that cassette decks depart from tape alignemnt > standards, but you have to remember that Philips patented this low fi > format, Dolby made it mid fi, and Nakamichi took it Hi Fi. No one imagined > at the beginning that 20-20k +-3dB , 56dB s/n and 0.06% w/f would EVER be > realized, so who cared what reference level they used. > > tom brucker > > At 10:05 PM 3/30/06 -0600, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >>Hi Tom, >> >> >>>The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be >relative. >>>0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. >> >>Uh, unless things have changed, 0-dB or 0-VU on a tape recorder >>typically is defined as a specific level of fluxivity applied to the >>tape by the record head. For cassette decks, I've seen 0-VU defined >>variously as 165 nanoWeber per meter (nW/m) or 185 nW/m. Reel-to-reels >>use other fluxivity references. My B77 achieves 0.6 % THD at 0-VU, which >>for it at 15-ips is 256 nW/m reference fluxivity. >> >> >>> The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is >>>marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, >>>and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese >standard, >>>which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , >but >>>Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one >>>step >>>further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were >>>applied, so >>>Dolby level was at -3Vu. >> >>>Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex >>>standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu >>>in Pro gear non-relative. >> >>I believe Ampex standard operating level today is 200 nW/m, although in >>the past Ampex reference level was 250 nW/meter. I'll have to look it up >>to refresh my memory. Dolby adopted the Ampex reference level as a >>convenience. >> >>At preent, the IEC standard for level meters (IEC268-17) describes a >>standard volume indicator for audio. It sets the Reference Volume at 0Vu >>to be +4dBm (1.228 Vrms), in reference to 0.775Vrms for 0dBm or 0dBu. >>The IEC further defines the meter shall be calibrated in Vu, with a >>maximum value of +3Vu and a minimum value of -20Vu. Many cassette >>recorders with "dB" or "peak reading" meters (especially the bargraph >>types) adopted this standard or a slight variation thereof. >> >>Many studios still use VU meters, a specific device with specific meter >>ballistics. The Volume Unit refers to a meter's rise time (of an RMS >>sinusoidal stimulus covering a frequency range of 50 to 10,000 cps) such >>that the meter wil read 66% of the input level within 330 milliSeconds. >>Slow response times, but good for monitoring speech levels, such as >>those experienced by telephone exchanges (the guys who developed the >>standard a century ago) and radio broadcasters. >> >>Most modern studios use peak program meters or PPMs. These resemble VU >>meters but have very different ballistics that allow for much tighter >>control of peaks. >> >>0 dBv is indeed 1.77v into 600 ohms, whereas most older pro gear and >>many newer pieces used the reference 0 dBm, where 0 dB is referred to 1 >>milliwatt owr into 600 ohms. >> >>Confusingly, audio level in pro gear has historically been measured in >>dBm (deciBel milliwatt) where 0dBm is defined as a load of 600 0hms >>dissipating one milliwatt of power, resulting in a voltage across the >>load is 0.775 Vrms. Most newer audio equipent has very low source >>impedances, so the output levels are measured in dBu where 0dBu is >>defined as a voltage of 0.775 Vrms across unspecified load impedance, >>typically taken as either 10,000 ohms or 47,000 ohms bridging. dBu is >>often confused with dBv, which actually isn't used very often in most >>spec sheets. >> >>Makes you want to stay home and listen to the player piano instead, >>doesn't it? (Joking). >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>pro audio info! >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From rob at rhoag.com Mon Apr 3 17:46:57 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:46:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <20060403074526.IIUM3988.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Message-ID: I'm talking about on line viewing, not after downloading and viewing them in my Outlook 2000 email program. Do you only read them after downloading or have you tried to read them online? Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters True, I don't have a problem with Bala's posts either. In fact, I have no problem reading anyones post and they do not wrap. I am using Netscape on my laptop and later I retrieve my emails from the server on my desktop using Eudora Pro 4.0 > > From: "george valkov" > Date: 2006/04/03 Mon AM 03:29:47 EDT > To: rob at rhoag.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters > > Doane, > > I don't have this problem wth Bala's emails and apparently no one else > does either, since you seem to be the only one complaining. Could it > be your settings that need fixing ? > > George > > On 4/2/06, Doane Hoag wrote: > > Bala: > > > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes when > > they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what you have to > > say. I've asked you several times about this but get no answer from you, > > can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts do this but yours. > > > > thanks, > > Doane > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Apr 3 17:54:21 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:54:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <44312679.9060806@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron, and everyone else: It's only happening with me with online viewing at the server from Window5 IE5 or from Mozella Firefox 1.5... it doesn't happen after downloading to my Outlook 2000 email reader. I usually read the posts on line where Earthlink holds all mail not in my adress book as suspect email, that way I don't have to download a lot of stuff, including things I don't want. Viewing the Nak Talk posts on line, Bala's posts are the only ones I have come across that don't wrap, so he must be sending them in with out text wrap when he creates them in his email program, or something... I don't know what is causing it and that's why I was trying to get him to respond.. for some reason, he won't reply. I wouln't think I'm the only one that reads email on line at the server, but maybe so.. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:43 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Doane Hoag wrote: > Bala: > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes when > they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what you have to > say. I've asked you several times about this but get no answer from you, > can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts do this but yours. > > thanks, > Doane Bala's posts show up on my email reader in tiny, tiny characters. I use Mozzila Thunderbird. To easily fix, I hit CTRL + (the Control key and plus sign) a couple of times. To reduce size again, I hit CTRL -. To wrap text, I go to Tools\Options\Display and select 'Wrap text to fit window width'. This does it for me. Your email reader may differ, but I'll bet it has similar controls. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From NIGELJ47 at aol.com Mon Apr 3 18:26:57 2006 From: NIGELJ47 at aol.com (NIGELJ47 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:26:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Buying advice Message-ID: <47346EEC.33C91F9D.00729C00@aol.com> Hi, I am new to this particular group. I am amazed at the information available but would like some help in buying a second hand Nak here in the UK. I have come across a 480 for £70 (in perfect working order), a Cassette Deck 2 for £80(full working order excellent condition) and a DR-8 for £145 (described as mint). What would you advise me to go for, all are within my budget. Many thanks. Nigel From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 3 20:15:59 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:15:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Binaural recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4431665F.1060505@yahoo.ca> And anyone has something to say on Ambisonic? gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com a écrit : > Well Kermit, I think you should share some of the stuff you recorded! > Those who haven't tried binaural should. It's very interesting, although > it comes up a little short of "real" for me. I would compare binaural to > 3D movies - not quite real convincing, and a real lack of available > quality material. > > I did make up a dummy head back in the 80s and recorded a few things, but > kinda lost interest. I purchased a few recordings of dramas which were > pretty interesting, but the "in the head" sensation was always there. Do > you have the same sensations with your recordings? I suspect that if there > were visual cues to go along with the audio, the brain would have an > easier time sorting things out and maybe binaural would sound more > realistic. > > My exploration of binaural happened about the same time I started reading > about Carver's "Sonic Holography" preamps. I built a cross-talk > cancellation circuit based on a "bucket brigade device" IC. I could get > some really crazy effects with that unit by changing the cancellation > magnitude and delay. I don't have a vault to hide it in, it's currently > stored in the garage, next to my dummy head microphone! I did purchase a > Carver preamp and still use it. I'm able to talk about it now, because > someone on this forum mentioned he had some Polk SDA speakers, which > implemented the same sort of cancellation by using extra speakers to > produce the cancellation signal. > > >>> My greatest professional disappointment was that I tried to do a >>> > binaural-only record label in the mid 80s but it didn't succeed. Not > enough buyers. I thought with the Walkman craze that I had it made but I > was wrong. > > Check out the Headwize web site. They have DIY projects for headphone > amps that convert stereo recordings to binaural. > > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 3 22:08:47 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:08:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Message-ID: <7925A381-AA99-48FC-86D6-05E331BAE623@alumni.caltech.edu> I have a TEAC 0dB cassette test tape that is 200nW/m. Whether or not it was MANUFACTURED in the US, I don't know without looking at it (and it's not with me at the moment).-kby > The only Japanese manufactured 0Vu test tape I've seen is the > Nakamichi 200nW/m -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Mon Apr 3 23:44:35 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:44:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Buying advice In-Reply-To: <47346EEC.33C91F9D.00729C00@aol.com> References: <47346EEC.33C91F9D.00729C00@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060403172154.059054b0@pop.videotron.ca> At 12:26 04/03/2006, you wrote: >Hi, I am new to this particular group. I am >amazed at the information available but would >like some help in buying a second hand Nak here in the UK. >I have come across a 480 for £70 (in perfect >working order), a Cassette Deck 2 for £80(full >working order excellent condition) > and a DR-8 for £145 (described as mint). >What would you advise me to go for, all are within my budget. Many thanks. >Nigel Hi Nigel, All these decks are two-head machines. The 480 has the finer mechanism of the three but is roughly 25 years old and lacks Dolby C, a feature which I personally value. A 480Z would be more in line with my needs. Except for cosmetics, CassetteDeck 2 and DR-8 are pretty much the same for all practical purposes. DR-8 cannot be older than 5 years, or so, while Deck 2 will be roughly between 12 and 15 years old. DR-8 at £145 is certainly not a huge bargain. Deck 2 at £80 will serve the same purpose for less money but is older. The only thing to be carefull with Deck 2 is that you should turn it off when you don't use it. The reason is the capstan motor starts turning as soon as you turn the power on and the original motor is not built to be left on for hours every day. I have witnessed many of these motors which needed to be replaced because people were turning on their complete rack system using the remote control and, often enough, the little motor died in the background while people were listening to radio or CD. They only found out when they popped in a tape and it would not play. I would pick the Deck 2 but I am sure many others will favor the classic 480 or the mint DR-8 for all the right reasons. I hope this helps. Regards, -Marc From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 3 23:28:35 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:28:35 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Message-ID: <0326F051-A579-4B54-AF91-2FA008808C2F@alumni.caltech.edu> Now this brings up an interesting point I hadn't previously thought of. Is the distortion that's inherent on the tape in the record phase or the playback phase of things--in other words, is the Nak's ability to record AND playback higher levels due to record head & circuitry differences or playback ones? I would guess the answers are "yes" and "both" but the question then is how much is each? Presumably a tape recorded at a high level somehow has an "undisorted" signal (where "undistorted" simply means whatever distortion in it is below whatever we care about by whatever standard From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Mon Apr 3 23:37:10 2006 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:37:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c65766$c43e5d60$0402a8c0@markantec> Doane, I read the messages online via Mailwasher, and Bala's messages are fine. I get the odd quirk with pure html messages, but that's another story. Perhaps settings in Earthlink? Regards, Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 03 April 2006 16:54 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Ron, and everyone else: It's only happening with me with online viewing at the server from Window5 IE5 or from Mozella Firefox 1.5... it doesn't happen after downloading to my Outlook 2000 email reader. I usually read the posts on line where Earthlink holds all mail not in my adress book as suspect email, that way I don't have to download a lot of stuff, including things I don't want. Viewing the Nak Talk posts on line, Bala's posts are the only ones I have come across that don't wrap, so he must be sending them in with out text wrap when he creates them in his email program, or something... I don't know what is causing it and that's why I was trying to get him to respond.. for some reason, he won't reply. I wouln't think I'm the only one that reads email on line at the server, but maybe so.. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:43 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Doane Hoag wrote: > Bala: > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes when > they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what you have to > say. I've asked you several times about this but get no answer from you, > can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts do this but yours. > > thanks, > Doane Bala's posts show up on my email reader in tiny, tiny characters. I use Mozzila Thunderbird. To easily fix, I hit CTRL + (the Control key and plus sign) a couple of times. To reduce size again, I hit CTRL -. To wrap text, I go to Tools\Options\Display and select 'Wrap text to fit window width'. This does it for me. Your email reader may differ, but I'll bet it has similar controls. -- Ron From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 3 23:41:24 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:41:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. Message-ID: > The 680ZX gave me the biggest wow when I listened to cassettes, the > next only by the 1000ZXL. So, should we "rent" a 1000zxl to Kermit? The first recording is free....:-)-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Apr 4 00:07:08 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Buying advice In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060403172154.059054b0@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20060403220708.71453.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Better would be look for 3 head machines - they are definitely better and costs are not much different from DR 8. check out 482, CR3, BX 300 or 582. Any of these machines can be better sounding than DR8, Cassette Deck 2 - and among the three you mentioned 480 will handle the tape better with dual capstan while the other two are single capstan machines Kannan Marc Denis wrote: At 12:26 04/03/2006, you wrote: >Hi, I am new to this particular group. I am >amazed at the information available but would >like some help in buying a second hand Nak here in the UK. >I have come across a 480 for £70 (in perfect >working order), a Cassette Deck 2 for £80(full >working order excellent condition) > and a DR-8 for £145 (described as mint). >What would you advise me to go for, all are within my budget. Many thanks. >Nigel Hi Nigel, All these decks are two-head machines. The 480 has the finer mechanism of the three but is roughly 25 years old and lacks Dolby C, a feature which I personally value. A 480Z would be more in line with my needs. Except for cosmetics, CassetteDeck 2 and DR-8 are pretty much the same for all practical purposes. DR-8 cannot be older than 5 years, or so, while Deck 2 will be roughly between 12 and 15 years old. DR-8 at £145 is certainly not a huge bargain. Deck 2 at £80 will serve the same purpose for less money but is older. The only thing to be carefull with Deck 2 is that you should turn it off when you don't use it. The reason is the capstan motor starts turning as soon as you turn the power on and the original motor is not built to be left on for hours every day. I have witnessed many of these motors which needed to be replaced because people were turning on their complete rack system using the remote control and, often enough, the little motor died in the background while people were listening to radio or CD. They only found out when they popped in a tape and it would not play. I would pick the Deck 2 but I am sure many others will favor the classic 480 or the mint DR-8 for all the right reasons. I hope this helps. Regards, -Marc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 3 23:32:14 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:32:14 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Message-ID: Oops, let's finish that one...back to our story... I don't think the Naks record a signal intentionally distorted one way that "hides" a different kind of distortion, then "undoes" it exactly symmetrically on playback (at least when not using noise reduction :-). So it seems that if a tape that's recorded at a "high" level on the Nak (that plays back OK on the Nak) can't be played back even when the deck is "optimized" (azimuth, eq, etc.) on another deck then more of the fault in this case at least lies with the playback deck-- so then, is it the heads or the circuitry?-kby From pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 4 00:47:46 2006 From: pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:47:46 +1000 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX test. Message-ID: <20060403224746.97967.qmail@web60724.mail.yahoo.com> I thought I'd put my 2 cents worth in. The recent discussions about the 680ZX had stirred my curiosity so last night I played around with my 680ZX. I poped in a tape I found in my stash and played it back, what I noticed was the meters flickering at a fast rate between the quiet passages in the music. I was puzzled as to why this was happening, after a minute or two scratching my head I glanced at the speakers and noticed that the bass driver was bouncing like mad. It all made sense now, it was the recording of a record. How sensitive and acurate is this machine with such perfect reproduction of the low frequencies. I did another test with the low speed recordings, I opened up a new TDK MA and performed a calibration and recording with the unit, noticed that the manual stated to use 120 uS on the metal settings for the low speed so I did that and recorded around 5 minutes of music, I fell over backwards from the quality of this gem. Again such clarity from this classic and I just love it. If anyone here on this forum can get hold of a 680ZX do the low speed test with a decent metal tape, it's guaranteed to impress. Cheers, Tom. --------------------------------- On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjrjbs at att.net Tue Apr 4 00:49:13 2006 From: mjrjbs at att.net (mjrjbs at att.net) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:49:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Noisy Dragon Message-ID: <040320062249.19218.4431A669000A877800004B1221602813029C0D069D0603@att.net> I just purchased a Dragon at a very fair price and joined this list. Sounds and seems to work great. However, it is noisy going into and out of play mode. Does the deck need lubrication? If so, how should I go about it? Thanks. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Apr 4 01:18:44 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:18:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Message-ID: <457C463A-C412-46BE-A17F-E45EDDD77D8B@alumni.caltech.edu> Actually, Bala's are not the only ones that don't wrap. There's a few others, but I can't remember who. I find it only a minor annoyance not worth bothering about. I am also using the web interface via Firefox 1.5 on Mac OSX (10.4). Some of Tom Brucker's on the on the other hand, show up as binary blob attachements and are removed by the software, unfortunately, since they show up as ".bin" attachments, they're even more of a pain to deal with (I usually just wait until someone who's read it quotes the post, usually...)-kby From rjkent at comcast.net Tue Apr 4 02:02:46 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:02:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Text Wrap Message-ID: <002e01c6577b$1b1c20e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> >Doane wrote: >I wouln't think I'm the only one that reads >email on line at the server, but maybe so.. Hi Doane, I read all of the Naktalk postings in daily lists on-line using Outlook Express. I find that each individual message wraps at a different width, so it has to do with the settings of your email reader and also of each individual writer to some degree. Bala's posts are some of the widest, but there are others that are also wide, and many that are very narrow. None of them go off my screen though. When I change viewing font size as Ron suggests, it does effect the wrap width. In my case I just hit control and then use the thumb wheel on my mouse to scroll thrught the different font sizes. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 4 04:03:21 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060404020321.76044.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane, Besides my earlier off-line reply to you, also consider this. I am using a Yahoo email address, which allows me to use their online email program at their website. There isn;t much control I can exercise over how the email is format (or there is but I am not too sure how). Regards Bala 79Labs Doane Hoag wrote: Ron, and everyone else: It's only happening with me with online viewing at the server from Window5 IE5 or from Mozella Firefox 1.5... it doesn't happen after downloading to my Outlook 2000 email reader. I usually read the posts on line where Earthlink holds all mail not in my adress book as suspect email, that way I don't have to download a lot of stuff, including things I don't want. Viewing the Nak Talk posts on line, Bala's posts are the only ones I have come across that don't wrap, so he must be sending them in with out text wrap when he creates them in his email program, or something... I don't know what is causing it and that's why I was trying to get him to respond.. for some reason, he won't reply. I wouln't think I'm the only one that reads email on line at the server, but maybe so.. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:43 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Doane Hoag wrote: > Bala: > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes when > they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what you have to > say. I've asked you several times about this but get no answer from you, > can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts do this but yours. > > thanks, > Doane Bala's posts show up on my email reader in tiny, tiny characters. I use Mozzila Thunderbird. To easily fix, I hit CTRL + (the Control key and plus sign) a couple of times. To reduce size again, I hit CTRL -. To wrap text, I go to Tools\Options\Display and select 'Wrap text to fit window width'. This does it for me. 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Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 05:12:32 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:12:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Doane! I ALWAYS...read ON line...all 100% perfectly! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:46:57 -0700 > >I'm talking about on line viewing, not after downloading and viewing them >in >my Outlook 2000 email program. Do you only read them after downloading or >have you tried to read them online? > >Thanks, >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net >Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:45 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters > > >True, I don't have a problem with Bala's posts either. In fact, I have no >problem reading anyones post and they do not wrap. > >I am using Netscape on my laptop and later I retrieve my emails from the >server on my desktop using Eudora Pro 4.0 > > > > From: "george valkov" > > Date: 2006/04/03 Mon AM 03:29:47 EDT > > To: rob at rhoag.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters > > > > Doane, > > > > I don't have this problem wth Bala's emails and apparently no one else > > does either, since you seem to be the only one complaining. Could it > > be your settings that need fixing ? > > > > George > > > > On 4/2/06, Doane Hoag wrote: > > > Bala: > > > > > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes >when > > > they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what you >have >to > > > say. I've asked you several times about this but get no answer from >you, > > > can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts do this but yours. > > > > > > thanks, > > > Doane > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 05:20:39 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:20:39 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Message-ID: Hi Kimo! My recently recorded 4 cassettes Fuji Z-2 90 minutes trough my lovely Dragon...sounds amazing with my very affordable Kenwood radio-tape car unit...of course always I recorded NR (All kind!)...OFF! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kimo B. Yap" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:32:14 -0700 > >Oops, let's finish that one...back to our story... > >I don't think the Naks record a signal intentionally distorted one way >that "hides" a different kind of distortion, then "undoes" it exactly >symmetrically on playback (at least when not using noise reduction :-). So >it seems that if a tape that's recorded at a "high" level on the >Nak (that plays back OK on the Nak) can't be played back even when the >deck is "optimized" (azimuth, eq, etc.) on another deck then >more of the fault in this case at least lies with the playback deck-- so >then, is it the heads or the circuitry?-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Tue Apr 4 06:08:20 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:08:20 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Message-ID: I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap heads that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures decks. Doane From rob at rhoag.com Tue Apr 4 06:08:21 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:08:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Message-ID: OK, thanks, Mark, and everyone else who answered. I have no idea what the problem is, but it certainly is strange and I wish Bala would join in to reveal the mystery of this. Thnaks, all. Doane From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 4 08:44:26 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:44:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <000001c65766$c43e5d60$0402a8c0@markantec> Message-ID: <000e01c657b3$388bdb10$7300a8c0@Shaun> I also read the messages OK with Popcorn before downloading to Outlook 2003. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: 03 April 2006 22:37 To: rob at rhoag.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Doane, I read the messages online via Mailwasher, and Bala's messages are fine. I get the odd quirk with pure html messages, but that's another story. Perhaps settings in Earthlink? Regards, Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 03 April 2006 16:54 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Ron, and everyone else: It's only happening with me with online viewing at the server from Window5 IE5 or from Mozella Firefox 1.5... it doesn't happen after downloading to my Outlook 2000 email reader. I usually read the posts on line where Earthlink holds all mail not in my adress book as suspect email, that way I don't have to download a lot of stuff, including things I don't want. Viewing the Nak Talk posts on line, Bala's posts are the only ones I have come across that don't wrap, so he must be sending them in with out text wrap when he creates them in his email program, or something... I don't know what is causing it and that's why I was trying to get him to respond.. for some reason, he won't reply. I wouln't think I'm the only one that reads email on line at the server, but maybe so.. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:43 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Doane Hoag wrote: > Bala: > > I've given up trying to read your posts... too difficult for my eyes > when they go off the page like thiat, but I would like to read what > you have to say. I've asked you several times about this but get no > answer from you, can't you fix this on your end? No one else's posts > do this but yours. > > thanks, > Doane Bala's posts show up on my email reader in tiny, tiny characters. I use Mozzila Thunderbird. To easily fix, I hit CTRL + (the Control key and plus sign) a couple of times. To reduce size again, I hit CTRL -. To wrap text, I go to Tools\Options\Display and select 'Wrap text to fit window width'. This does it for me. Your email reader may differ, but I'll bet it has similar controls. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1468 (20060403) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Apr 4 09:06:32 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:06:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Buying advice Message-ID: Hi Nigel, For that sort of money I'd be tempted to get both the 480 and the Cassette Deck 2 (which is a 2-header pretty well identical under the skin to the DR-8 (which is also the same as the DR-8 - a reissue basically). the 480 as Kannan says is a dual cap deck with pad-lifter and sports an extremely clean clear sound. The Cassette Deck 2 - I personally like the looks and it sounds great - a more generous bass than the 480. It also depends if Dolby C is important to you - Cass Deck 2 has it (so does DR-8) - 480 only has Dolby B. But if it came down to a fight to the finish - the 480 would get my bet. Cheers - Marc >>> audioetc at videotron.qc.ca 4/3/2006 11:44:35 PM >>> At 12:26 04/03/2006, you wrote: >Hi, I am new to this particular group. I am >amazed at the information available but would >like some help in buying a second hand Nak here in the UK. >I have come across a 480 for £70 (in perfect >working order), a Cassette Deck 2 for £80(full >working order excellent condition) > and a DR-8 for £145 (described as mint). >What would you advise me to go for, all are within my budget. Many thanks. >Nigel Hi Nigel, All these decks are two-head machines. The 480 has the finer mechanism of the three but is roughly 25 years old and lacks Dolby C, a feature which I personally value. A 480Z would be more in line with my needs. Except for cosmetics, CassetteDeck 2 and DR-8 are pretty much the same for all practical purposes. DR-8 cannot be older than 5 years, or so, while Deck 2 will be roughly between 12 and 15 years old. DR-8 at £145 is certainly not a huge bargain. Deck 2 at £80 will serve the same purpose for less money but is older. The only thing to be carefull with Deck 2 is that you should turn it off when you don't use it. The reason is the capstan motor starts turning as soon as you turn the power on and the original motor is not built to be left on for hours every day. I have witnessed many of these motors which needed to be replaced because people were turning on their complete rack system using the remote control and, often enough, the little motor died in the background while people were listening to radio or CD. They only found out when they popped in a tape and it would not play. I would pick the Deck 2 but I am sure many others will favor the classic 480 or the mint DR-8 for all the right reasons. I hope this helps. Regards, -Marc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 4 09:54:54 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 00:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060404075454.8761.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane, In more then one way, Nakamichi has departed from the norm in making cassette deck. In fact, if you take the differences in implementation, and put it a digital audio context, its like the difference between two different types of data protocols. They use the same medium, they use the same concept, but the implement it differently. But I realize that no other company has ever departed so much from the norm, done so many innovations, and produce something that it will take years and years for others to catch up. Even when they do, you realize the others had done some twisting in order to make it look as if their stuff was on par. In real fact it wasn't. When I load a Thats MR-X-P (Type IV) tape into my 1979 Nak 680ZX, even with frequent peaks at +10dB, it doesn't clip. My 1988 Aiwa Excelia, fine and wonderfully warm, DOES clip at +3dB, which it also marks as the Dolby ref level. At the end of the way, looking at the big picture, I must say that whatever difference Nak had in their machines was necessary to get the tape to produce what it was capable of. In retrospect, today when we look at the things they used in building their machines, we go, ouch! What kind of orange caps! What kind of this and that! But their circuit designback then really broke new grounds. The components used were not shoddy or poor. They were quite good actually. Polypropylene caps are in fact some of the best type for audio uses. But non-Nak equipment also suffer from pp caps. Recently, when I brought my 1000ZXL for a live recording, the sound engineers (in their early 20s) all crowded around to see the granddaddy. They didn't believe this thing could do better then their flashy ADATs and hard-disk based DAWs. But when it was set in recording motion after a smooth ABLE operation, they were just awestruck! The tape had in fact BETTER seperation and sibilance from the mixer feed! Now, they have all added Nakamichi decks to their must haves! Sometimes, its good to break way from the sheep-pack, do what you think it right. Some of the most sucessful products have been a result of that. Sadly, today we have a shortage of such people in the industry. Regards Bala 79Labs Doane Hoag wrote: I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap heads that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures decks. Doane ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Tue Apr 4 09:56:13 2006 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:56:13 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Pt 1:Axent Audio/Nak servicing in NZ, Pt 2 Sankyo transports In-Reply-To: <003801c6561d$6edf3500$0201a8c0@lan> References: <003801c6561d$6edf3500$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060404194247.01c7fe98@paradise.net.nz> Thanks Martin for your comprehensive reply - I really appreciate it. I live in Dunedin and I guess there's no one "local" with Nakamichi expertise that can look at it for me. It sounds as though Searle Electronics are the ones to go to. The problem with my CR-7 is the azimuth adjustment not working and so hopefully this is relatively straight forward to fix. It's such a nice piece of gear I want to have it working properly even though I have DAT's and an M-Audio soundcard (OK I'll wash my mouth out!) I'll have to box it up carefully so it arrives there in one piece...can I ask who you used to courier it? Got to be cheaper to go to Whangerei than the US or the UK!! I found these contact details on the Net - do these look correct to you? Searle Electronics Ltd 133 Lower Cameron St Whangarei Phone 09 438 2445 Fax 09 438 2445 Email searle_electronics at clear.net.nz Thanks in advance Brett At 06:19 p.m. 2/04/2006, you wrote: >1) Nak servicing : > >Hi Brett, > >Sorry, don't know in which part of NZ you reside, and can only >comment for the Auckland area.... > >Getting a Nak in NZ is relatively easy but to get a 'good' one is >hard!!!, and servicing ANY cassette deck even more so. > >A lot of my Naks have been sourced opportunistically from strange >places.. garage sales in case of my 600/600 II's, .... my CR-5 was >sitting under a pile of dust in a 2nd hand 'tool shop' window in my >'home' town.. (Petone) .. the price was right so I bought it!.. >didn't take much to get going ( idler tire, a bulb and damn good >clean... hasn't missed a beat yet!). To your average Kiwi they are >just cassette decks..... which fewer and fewer people are wanting. >The one's that have and continue to turn up on 'trade me' at the >moment, usually well overpriced... $750 for a ZX-7, missing bits and >marked face plate?.. I think not. Anyway I digress... > >Our Daughter up 'till recently worked for Monaco Corp ( the >Pioneer/TDK people), so I enquired as to who they could recommend, >given my ' Axent ' experience. From memory the suggestions were >Audio Tec around the Eden Park Area, or Searle Electronics in >Whangarei as two places that might take on 'old' gear.. (which seems >to be anything >5 years these days!!). I had recently bought a T100 >off Searle Electronics, and it was in 'as new condition' which gives >you some idea of 'care', so I dropped them a line and they said yes. >Also, this may seem odd, but it was easier to courier a deck up to >Whangarei than take the time out to drive to Mt Eden, even though it >is only 20km... time being what it is... in short supply. > >I sent them 682 and 582.. the 682 was back in a week... :o), they >still have the 582.. (this one needs a new record head.) > >I have used NEXT to repair Nakamichi's in the past also with good >results as long as it only electronics that have failed. They are >reluctant to take on any these days, though if the Service Manager >is present, they can be usually talked around into having a look at it. > >You mention Peter Dobbs who was (is) the only Nak trained >technician in NZ that I know of. I knew of Peter by reputation, but >as a then Wellingtonian, our paths never crossed. As far as I am >aware Peter is now working as the head tech for B&O in Newmarket, >and does some other stuff in the 'sound' professional industry as >well.. so he flits around the country a lot. >Ivan Searle suggested I contact Peter as he may have some 2ndH heads >for the 582 ( :o) ; which I did and it was a very interesting >conversation about Naks, (but nothing much about what he is doing >now) during which he confirmed Searle Electronics as probably better >than most to carry out work on Naks... though nobody has the set >up and alignment gauges so can only do so much with realigning the heads. > >Peter has quit servicing ( ie: closed Audiocraft) as no one would >spend the 'proper' money ( $250 - 300 NZ) to service their decks, >amongst other reasons like the decline of home stereo in favour of >home theatre, and so he so is basically unavailable and out of the >picture now for repair work unfortunately, ( and very very >difficult to get 'hold of'). However, old relationships never die, >which is hopefully my good fortune as far as 582 heads go, but if he >cannot, then the deck it means a donor machine. > >I am tentatively to catch up with Peter at some stage as he was >interested in my collection, but given that he is notoriously >elusive that may never actually happen. I am sure it would be an >interesting meeting, from my point of view anyway. > >Sorry to hear that your CR-7 is playing up. If it really needs any >specialist parts, then ESL or B&W are the only places to send it. >FWIW, I was considering sending my 682 to B&W, but with >international courier at NZ$400 each way due to the weight, plus the >repairs at say 200quid, I was up for NZ$1500, and I just couldn't >justify that level of expenditure. Sure there are much cheaper forms >of shipping, but door to door was the safest. As it turned out, it >cost me $465.00 to get the 682 repaired.. there was more wrong with >it than I thought!!. > > >2) Sankyo transports. > >A curiosity item this... I recently picked up a curiosity item via >'trade me' ... a cosmetically excellent Sansui D550M for >peanuts. ($6.00!!!)... needed new belts etc... and the owner didn't >want to go to the effort of repairing it. I've always liked Sansui >SC3330's to look at, and these are as rare as hens teeth in NZ, so >though this was worth a look and not much of a risk. Got it home, >lifted the lid and blow me down.. a sankyo transport very similar to >those in the BX/CR series, just solendoid operated rather than >cam/motor. The 550M is effectively a 3 head, single capstan direct >drive transport, and the DD capstan motor looks similar to those >fitted to the BX300/CR5, though I haven't been under the bonnet of >those two for a while to be absolutely sure... Anyway, the problem >wasn't belts at all...just the notorious sankyo tire.. replaced in >a jiffy with a 'nak' one. The only 'belt' in it is a slave drive off >the main capstan to a rotating pin where the supply capstan would be >in a Nak, presumably to tension the tape over the heads, and was >easily replaced by one from the DSE generic belt kit. The deck is >now 100% functional and sounds good, though not quite as musical as an Aiwa. > >My point is this.. anybody know how many other machines >use variations on this transport? as they may potentially make good >parts mules for our Naks.. maybe.... > >cheers, >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 4 10:04:06 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 01:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX test. In-Reply-To: <20060403224746.97967.qmail@web60724.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060404080406.56602.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, I concur the low speed tests that you have done. This baby has been officially quoted to respond from 10Hz! The only decks that have given such low response is the 680ZX, 700ZXL and 1000ZXL. The 670ZX ends a little early and has a slightly fatter low midrange. And those flourescent NEC meters! Woah!..Those meters are so fanstastic-accurate and fast responding!! Regards Bala 79Labs Tom Siomopoulos wrote: I thought I'd put my 2 cents worth in. The recent discussions about the 680ZX had stirred my curiosity so last night I played around with my 680ZX. I poped in a tape I found in my stash and played it back, what I noticed was the meters flickering at a fast rate between the quiet passages in the music. I was puzzled as to why this was happening, after a minute or two scratching my head I glanced at the speakers and noticed that the bass driver was bouncing like mad. It all made sense now, it was the recording of a record. How sensitive and acurate is this machine with such perfect reproduction of the low frequencies. I did another test with the low speed recordings, I opened up a new TDK MA and performed a calibration and recording with the unit, noticed that the manual stated to use 120 uS on the metal settings for the low speed so I did that and recorded around 5 minutes of music, I fell over backwards from the quality of this gem. Again such clarity from this classic and I just love it. If anyone here on this forum can get hold of a 680ZX do the low speed test with a decent metal tape, it's guaranteed to impress. 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URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 4 12:01:23 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:01:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] My BX-300E "baptism of fire" Message-ID: <20060404100123.15154.qmail@web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Guys - I thought I'd update you on my BX-300E. I bought it on eBay very recently for the equivalent of $115. By the time it arrived, I'd read about the idler tire repair and *boy* did it need that repair. With the help of several Nak owners (you know who you are) I sourced the tire - and the knowledge - I needed to do the job. I was nervous because it's years since I did this kind of job but I'm so pleased with how it went. Mechanically it's now as quiet as a whisper, it winds tapes smoothly but, most importantly, it gets a great sound out of some long-neglected tapes. I've found myself listening to classical music and some things I'd been waiting to put on CD-R but never got around to. The Marantz DR-700 CD recorder may have a quiet few weeks ahead... Apart from the few scratches on the top and a minor liquid spill that crept behind the meters, this machine is lovely and it's a joy. For anyone else considering buying a BX-300E but nervous about doing the tire swap - do it - the "baptism of fire" is nowhere near as bad as you think! Chris From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 4 14:25:31 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:25:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - "mystery belt" Message-ID: <20060404122531.36545.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In an earlier post, I described my pleasure at having completed the idler tire swap. I meant to ask does anyone know what the belt is for that runs between the left-hand hub (behind the hub table itself) and a small black plastic wheel which is overlaid with gold-colored spokes - a little like a bicycle wheel? This wheel is to the left of the hub table and is smaller than the hub table. I cleaned the belt gently when I did the tire swap but I have no idea what it does... Any ideas, Naksters? Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 4 15:03:57 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:03:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - "mystery belt" In-Reply-To: <20060404122531.36545.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060404122531.36545.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44326EBD.1080307@rcn.com> Chris Mann wrote: > In an earlier post, I described my pleasure at having > completed the idler tire swap. > > I meant to ask does anyone know what the belt is for > that runs between the left-hand hub (behind the hub > table itself) and a small black plastic wheel which is > overlaid with gold-colored spokes - a little like a > bicycle wheel? This wheel is to the left of the hub > table and is smaller than the hub table. > > I cleaned the belt gently when I did the tire swap but > I have no idea what it does... > > Any ideas, Naksters? > > Chris My memory's kind of hazy, but IIRC, you are talking about the mechanism that provides some resistance to fast motion on the supply hub, to prevent tape spills. -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 4 16:00:10 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:00:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <7925A381-AA99-48FC-86D6-05E331BAE623@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060404090010.0081de90@earthlink.net> You are correct. I looked at a Teac C-3 I have here and 0Vu= the Dolby double D. The C-3 was pro-sumer, so they obviously had 2 references. The older Teacs used the TDK reference tape. I should NEVER say "ONLY". Oh well. tom brucker At 01:08 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >>>> I have a TEAC 0dB cassette test tape that is 200nW/m. Whether or not it was MANUFACTURED in the US, I don't know without looking at it (and it's not with me at the moment).-kby The only Japanese manufactured 0Vu test tape I've seen is the Nakamichi 200nW/m ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 4 16:07:28 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:07:28 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <0326F051-A579-4B54-AF91-2FA008808C2F@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060404090728.00816e80@earthlink.net> The magnetic head properties, and the tape itself, are the two limiting factors. Circuitry is designed to compliment the magnetic circuit. Nakamichi made a few innovative engineering efforts, but the engineering began with the concept that cassettes could indeed be hi-fi! 1. Head gaps were made small, extending frequency response. SX tape allowed finer head gaps and wider response. 2. Wow and flutter were reduced below audibility. 3. Head saturation headroom was increased by using crystalloy. ZX tape allowed higher MOLs. 4. Low frequency head bumps were smoothed through head profile design and eq. tom brucker At 02:28 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >Now this brings up an interesting point I hadn't previously thought >of. Is the distortion that's inherent on the tape in the record phase >or the playback phase of things--in other words, is the Nak's ability >to record AND playback higher levels due to record head & circuitry >differences or playback ones? I would guess the answers are "yes" and >"both" but the question then is how much is each? > >Presumably a tape recorded at a high level somehow has an >"undisorted" signal (where "undistorted" simply means whatever >distortion >in it is below whatever we care about by whatever standard >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 4 16:28:24 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:28:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - "mystery belt" In-Reply-To: <20060404122531.36545.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060404092824.00819ba0@earthlink.net> This is the back tension device, needed because the cassette tape pad is lifted away from the head. tom brucker At 01:25 PM 4/4/06 +0100, Chris Mann wrote: >In an earlier post, I described my pleasure at having >completed the idler tire swap. > >I meant to ask does anyone know what the belt is for >that runs between the left-hand hub (behind the hub >table itself) and a small black plastic wheel which is >overlaid with gold-colored spokes - a little like a >bicycle wheel? This wheel is to the left of the hub >table and is smaller than the hub table. > >I cleaned the belt gently when I did the tire swap but >I have no idea what it does... > >Any ideas, Naksters? > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 4 16:15:49 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:15:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <457C463A-C412-46BE-A17F-E45EDDD77D8B@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060404091549.00816860@earthlink.net> Tom brucker here, my posts look fine when I receive them. I hope I'm not stuck with a virus. Anyone else have comments? I'm computer stupid. I use Eudora and have no problem with Bala's posts. tom At 04:18 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >Actually, Bala's are not the only ones that don't wrap. There's a few >others, but I can't remember who. >I find it only a minor annoyance not worth bothering about. I am also >using the web interface via Firefox 1.5 >on Mac OSX (10.4). > >Some of Tom Brucker's on the on the other hand, show up as binary >blob attachements and are removed >by the software, unfortunately, since they show up as ".bin" >attachments, they're even more of a pain to deal >with (I usually just wait until someone who's read it quotes the >post, usually...)-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 4 16:24:24 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:24:24 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060404092424.008174b0@earthlink.net> MYTH! (sound of stomping) narrow gaps can reproduce higher frequencies,IF the tape has small enough particles. Nakamichi playback 20kHz frequency equalization standard is +2dB above the EXTRAPOLATED Philips compact cassette 15kHz frequency standard. No 20kHz standard exists! There was a lot of debate primarily from the Tandberg folks, that Nak had chosen incorrectly, creating this mythic argument. Nakamichi playback eq exactly follows the Philips standard as far as it goes. The tapes sound different because they are different! They are louder, lower distortion, flatter in the bass and mid bass, and have more treble than most decks can reproduce. I hope this MYTH will never more be mentioned on this list. ... (or maybe that's why we segregate ourselves:) tom brucker At 09:08 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: >I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap heads >that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other >tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt >equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures >decks. > >Doane > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 4 16:42:49 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:42:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Noisy Dragon In-Reply-To: <040320062249.19218.4431A669000A877800004B1221602813029C0D0 69D0603@att.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060404094249.0081be00@earthlink.net> Look to the right of the flywheels and you will see a white pulley. This is the mode cam. Apply a drop of oil to the shaft. tom brucker At 10:49 PM 4/3/06 +0000, mjrjbs at att.net wrote: >I just purchased a Dragon at a very fair price and joined this list. Sounds and seems to work great. However, it is noisy going into and out of play mode. Does the deck need lubrication? If so, how should I go about it? Thanks. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 4 16:46:15 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:46:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pt 1:Axent Audio/Nak servicing in NZ,Pt 2 Sankyo transports In-Reply-To: <003801c6561d$6edf3500$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060404094615.0081a550@earthlink.net> Onkyo TA 2060, 2080 both use the BX1 Sankyo mechanism. No one else uses the 580 mechanism. Harman kardon used the 500 mechanism in the CAD2. HTH tom brucker At 06:19 PM 4/2/06 +1200, you wrote: >>>> 1) Nak servicing : Hi Brett, Sorry, don't know in which part of NZ you reside, and can only comment for the Auckland area.... Getting a Nak in NZ is relatively easy but to get a 'good' one is hard!!!, and servicing ANY cassette deck even more so. A lot of my Naks have been sourced opportunistically from strange places.. garage sales in case of my 600/600 II's, .... my CR-5 was sitting under a pile of dust in a 2nd hand 'tool shop' window in my 'home' town.. (Petone) .. the price was right so I bought it!.. didn't take much to get going ( idler tire, a bulb and damn good clean... hasn't missed a beat yet!). To your average Kiwi they are just cassette decks..... which fewer and fewer people are wanting. The one's that have and continue to turn up on 'trade me' at the moment, usually well overpriced... $750 for a ZX-7, missing bits and marked face plate?.. I think not. Anyway I digress... Our Daughter up 'till recently worked for Monaco Corp ( the Pioneer/TDK people), so I enquired as to who they could recommend, given my ' Axent ' experience. From memory the suggestions were Audio Tec around the Eden Park Area, or Searle Electronics in Whangarei as two places that might take on 'old' gear.. (which seems to be anything >5 years these days!!). I had recently bought a T100 off Searle Electronics, and it was in 'as new condition' which gives you some idea of 'care', so I dropped them a line and they said yes. Also, this may seem odd, but it was easier to courier a deck up to Whangarei than take the time out to drive to Mt Eden, even though it is only 20km... time being what it is... in short supply. I sent them 682 and 582.. the 682 was back in a week... :o), they still have the 582.. (this one needs a new record head.) I have used NEXT to repair Nakamichi's in the past also with good results as long as it only electronics that have failed. They are reluctant to take on any these days, though if the Service Manager is present, they can be usually talked around into having a look at it. You mention Peter Dobbs who was (is) the only Nak trained technician in NZ that I know of. I knew of Peter by reputation, but as a then Wellingtonian, our paths never crossed. As far as I am aware Peter is now working as the head tech for B&O in Newmarket, and does some other stuff in the 'sound' professional industry as well.. so he flits around the country a lot. Ivan Searle suggested I contact Peter as he may have some 2ndH heads for the 582 ( :o) ; which I did and it was a very interesting conversation about Naks, (but nothing much about what he is doing now) during which he confirmed Searle Electronics as probably better than most to carry out work on Naks... though nobody has the set up and alignment gauges so can only do so much with realigning the heads. Peter has quit servicing ( ie: closed Audiocraft) as no one would spend the 'proper' money ( $250 - 300 NZ) to service their decks, amongst other reasons like the decline of home stereo in favour of home theatre, and so he so is basically unavailable and out of the picture now for repair work unfortunately, ( and very very difficult to get 'hold of'). However, old relationships never die, which is hopefully my good fortune as far as 582 heads go, but if he cannot, then the deck it means a donor machine. I am tentatively to catch up with Peter at some stage as he was interested in my collection, but given that he is notoriously elusive that may never actually happen. I am sure it would be an interesting meeting, from my point of view anyway. Sorry to hear that your CR-7 is playing up. If it really needs any specialist parts, then ESL or B&W are the only places to send it. FWIW, I was considering sending my 682 to B&W, but with international courier at NZ$400 each way due to the weight, plus the repairs at say 200quid, I was up for NZ$1500, and I just couldn't justify that level of expenditure. Sure there are much cheaper forms of shipping, but door to door was the safest. As it turned out, it cost me $465.00 to get the 682 repaired.. there was more wrong with it than I thought!!. 2) Sankyo transports. A curiosity item this... I recently picked up a curiosity item via 'trade me' ... a cosmetically excellent Sansui D550M for peanuts. ($6.00!!!)... needed new belts etc... and the owner didn't want to go to the effort of repairing it. I've always liked Sansui SC3330's to look at, and these are as rare as hens teeth in NZ, so though this was worth a look and not much of a risk. Got it home, lifted the lid and blow me down.. a sankyo transport very similar to those in the BX/CR series, just solendoid operated rather than cam/motor. The 550M is effectively a 3 head, single capstan direct drive transport, and the DD capstan motor looks similar to those fitted to the BX300/CR5, though I haven't been under the bonnet of those two for a while to be absolutely sure... Anyway, the problem wasn't belts at all...just the notorious sankyo tire.. replaced in a jiffy with a 'nak' one. The only 'belt' in it is a slave drive off the main capstan to a rotating pin where the supply capstan would be in a Nak, presumably to tension the tape over the heads, and was easily replaced by one from the DSE generic belt kit. The deck is now 100% functional and sounds good, though not quite as musical as an Aiwa. My point is this.. anybody know how many other machines use variations on this transport? as they may potentially make good parts mules for our Naks.. maybe.... cheers, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rob at rhoag.com Tue Apr 4 17:14:52 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:14:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060404091549.00816860@earthlink.net> Message-ID: OK everyone, I appreciate all your input, was just hopeing I could get it solved. I'm probably too anal about things.. just bugs me when little things don't work right.. probably why I love the Naks so much! :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:16 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters Tom brucker here, my posts look fine when I receive them. I hope I'm not stuck with a virus. Anyone else have comments? I'm computer stupid. I use Eudora and have no problem with Bala's posts. tom At 04:18 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >Actually, Bala's are not the only ones that don't wrap. There's a few >others, but I can't remember who. >I find it only a minor annoyance not worth bothering about. I am also >using the web interface via Firefox 1.5 >on Mac OSX (10.4). > >Some of Tom Brucker's on the on the other hand, show up as binary >blob attachements and are removed >by the software, unfortunately, since they show up as ".bin" >attachments, they're even more of a pain to deal >with (I usually just wait until someone who's read it quotes the >post, usually...)-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 4 17:24:31 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:24:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Text Wrap In-Reply-To: <002e01c6577b$1b1c20e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <002e01c6577b$1b1c20e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <44328FAF.2060303@yahoo.ca> In Thunderbird, every single posts fit in the screen. I never have an horizontal bar. Also, the minimum font size is set so that I can read every posts by default. And, when I use Yahoo Webmail like Bala, people don't complain. Oh, and Bala, I think there's an option for word-wrap in the config page. rjkent at comcast.net a écrit : > >Doane wrote: > >I wouln't think I'm the only one that reads > >email on line at the server, but maybe so.. > > Hi Doane, > I read all of the Naktalk postings in daily lists on-line using > Outlook Express. I find that each individual message wraps at a > different width, so it has to do with the settings of your email > reader and also of each individual writer to some degree. Bala's > posts are some of the widest, but there are others that are also wide, > and many that are very narrow. > > None of them go off my screen though. When I change viewing font size > as Ron suggests, it does effect the wrap width. In my case I just hit > control and then use the thumb wheel on my mouse to scroll thrught the > different font sizes. > > Robert Kent From rob at rhoag.com Tue Apr 4 17:42:42 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:42:42 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060404092424.008174b0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tom: I'm sorry, I'm not following you, maybe I couldn't hear what you were saying with all that stomping going on. :~) What are you saying is the reason they sound better, just the equilization difference they use? Or the better quality heads they use.. and wouldn't narrower gaps equate to better quality, higher frequency, etc., along with what ever else they have done with their circuit design to improve things? Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:24 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk Nakamichi forum Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] MYTH! (sound of stomping) narrow gaps can reproduce higher frequencies,IF the tape has small enough particles. Nakamichi playback 20kHz frequency equalization standard is +2dB above the EXTRAPOLATED Philips compact cassette 15kHz frequency standard. No 20kHz standard exists! There was a lot of debate primarily from the Tandberg folks, that Nak had chosen incorrectly, creating this mythic argument. Nakamichi playback eq exactly follows the Philips standard as far as it goes. The tapes sound different because they are different! They are louder, lower distortion, flatter in the bass and mid bass, and have more treble than most decks can reproduce. I hope this MYTH will never more be mentioned on this list. ... (or maybe that's why we segregate ourselves:) tom brucker At 09:08 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: >I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap heads >that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other >tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt >equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures >decks. > >Doane > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 4 18:44:24 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Noisy Dragon In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060404094249.0081be00@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060404164424.43267.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You need to read Nak Service Bulletin NR-0040 I have it on my web site. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_NR-0040.gif Scott J. >I just purchased a Dragon at a very fair price and joined this list. >Sounds and seems to work great. However, it is noisy going into and >out of play mode. Does the deck need lubrication? If so, how >should I go about it? Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From umeshchandran at bluebottle.com Tue Apr 4 18:50:39 2006 From: umeshchandran at bluebottle.com (Umesh) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:20:39 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Capstan Motor Message-ID: <000001c65808$84f7e8e0$0201a8c0@umesh55qpxyzwo> Hello, I have a Dragon with both the capstan motors dead.When I power on and power off the machine the right side motor moves slightly. The rest of the transport operations are fine. I ve checked the Transistors 2SD882 and 2SB772 four of them each on the motor control PCB. They seem to be ok. I didn't remove them from the PCB while checking. Pls advice a proper way to diagnos this problem. Thank you, Umesh Chennai, INDIA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 4 20:39:19 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How does the Record button work on various decks In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060404194247.01c7fe98@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <20060404183919.95467.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, I'm almost finished with my aftermarket Nakamichi IR remote, PC boards have been fab'd and 12 units built up. It works like a champ on my MR-1, but, need to do a few things to get it to work on the RX-505 and Dragon. Picture of the front http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Remote_front.jpg Picture of the back http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Remote_back.jpg On the MR-1 and BX-300 to put the deck into Record-Pause all you need to do is hit Record. On the RX-505 you need to hit Record and while holding Record down then press Pause. I modified my code to simultaneously actuate Record and Pause, but, that doesn't work. I guess there needs to be a delay between when Record is pressed and Pause is pressed. Ok, sorry for the long introduction. Now for my question to the group. Of the decks that have a remote jack (not including the 480 series) what other decks require record to be held down while pause is pressed to enter Record-Pause mode? My remote receiver will probably come in two flavors. One version will work only with decks that provide power out the remote jack on pin 8. This version won't have a AC adapter jack on the back and will have a jumper inside for selecting between four different remote codes so up to four units can be in the same area without cross controlling. The 2nd version will be made specifically for the RX-303/RX-505/Dragon. Basically for decks that do not provide power out the remote jack because of the added Reverse play function on pin 8. This version will have an AC Adapter jack on the back, but, will work without an external AC adapter on decks that DO provide power out the remote jack. So it will work on ALL decks. The disadvantage is that it will cost a little more and can only be configured between two different remote codes. You can still have four units in the same room, as long as at least two of them are the version 1 type. The 2nd version needs to use the jumper to select between standard (non-autoreverse) decks and autoreverse decks (RX-303/RX-505/Dragon). There is another jumper to select between RX-303/RX-505 and Dragon since the pin 8 function works a bit differently on these two decks. On the RX-303/RX-505 it flips the tape around and when play is pressed it actuates the standard play function on pin 3. On the Dragon, pin-8, actuates play in the reverse direction. Since most universal remotes don't have a reverse play button (and even if it did, it doesn't work in the remote device codes I have choosen to use) I have choosen to do things a little differently. What I have done is on power up when play is pressed it will actuate play in the forward direction. When the #1 key is pressed it flips causes reverse play to be actuated when play is pressed. When the #2 button is pressed it reverts back to forward play when play is pressed. One more feature/limitation. In version 1, when the remote receiver is configured as device #4 the record function will not work. You can use this if you don't want to accidently press record on the remote and wipe out your tape (it's a feature). I want to get everything working perfectly before I start selling these things. Currently my remote will not work on the 480 series. If there is enough interest I will make a version for it. I'm also tossing around the idea of making a remote receiver for the ST-7 tuner. Let me know off list if interested p9019 at yahoo.com Scott J. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Tue Apr 4 22:35:14 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:35:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak swap RX505 for ZX7 Message-ID: <002301c65827$474e9920$9c19d255@homeduron1300> Hi folks, I find I have a desire, after reading posts here over time, for a ZX7. My wife does not share this desire and has forbidden me to buy any more cassette decks. This and lack of 'readies seemed to be a barrier to my empire building plans until she said 'if one comes in another one has to go out'. This helped me form a cunning plan. So. If anyone in the UK would like to swap (I could probably find the odd £50 to smooth the transaction) a ZX7 (or 9, obviously but I won't leave myself open to disappointment by aiming so high) for a 505, please contact me and perhaps we can sort something mutually agreeable out. I have a B&W serviced 505 and an unserviced one. Naturally I was thinking of the latter but it would depend on what was offered, I suppose. I live near Brighton (and hence B&W - lucky me), so if you are south of the Arctic Circle (aka Scotland) it would be an advantage. I am now away for two days but won't hold my breath about this as I'm a natural pessimist, er...realist. Bye for now. David From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 4 22:39:05 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:39:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How does the Record button work on various decks In-Reply-To: <20060404183919.95467.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060404183919.95467.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4432D969.2010302@rcn.com> Scott Johnson wrote: > Hi guys, > I'm almost finished with my aftermarket Nakamichi IR remote, PC > boards have been fab'd and 12 units built up. It works like a champ > on my MR-1, but, need to do a few things to get it to work on the > RX-505 and Dragon. > > Picture of the front > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Remote_front.jpg > > Picture of the back > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Remote_back.jpg > > On the MR-1 and BX-300 to put the deck into Record-Pause all you need > to do is hit Record. On the RX-505 you need to hit Record and while > holding Record down then press Pause. I modified my code to > simultaneously actuate Record and Pause, but, that doesn't work. I > guess there needs to be a delay between when Record is pressed and > Pause is pressed. If your TX/RX can communicate only one code at a time, trying to send two codes simultaneously will not work. Have you tried to put a very short delay in the release time in the receiver F/W? If you do, then sending Record, followed by a Pause, should work. -- Ron > > Ok, sorry for the long introduction. Now for my question to the > group. Of the decks that have a remote jack (not including the 480 > series) what other decks require record to be held down while pause > is pressed to enter Record-Pause mode? > > My remote receiver will probably come in two flavors. One version > will work only with decks that provide power out the remote jack on > pin 8. This version won't have a AC adapter jack on the back and > will have a jumper inside for selecting between four different remote > codes so up to four units can be in the same area without cross > controlling. The 2nd version will be made specifically for the > RX-303/RX-505/Dragon. Basically for decks that do not provide power > out the remote jack because of the added Reverse play function on pin > 8. This version will have an AC Adapter jack on the back, but, will > work without an external AC adapter on decks that DO provide power > out the remote jack. So it will work on ALL decks. The disadvantage > is that it will cost a little more and can only be configured between > two different remote codes. You can still have four units in the > same room, as long as at least two of them are the version 1 type. > The 2nd version needs to use the jumper to select between standard > (non-autoreverse) decks and autoreverse decks (RX-303/RX-505/Dragon). > There is another jumper to select between RX-303/RX-505 and Dragon > since the pin 8 function works a bit differently on these two decks. > On the RX-303/RX-505 it flips the tape around and when play is > pressed it actuates the standard play function on pin 3. On the > Dragon, pin-8, actuates play in the reverse direction. Since most > universal remotes don't have a reverse play button (and even if it > did, it doesn't work in the remote device codes I have choosen to > use) I have choosen to do things a little differently. What I have > done is on power up when play is pressed it will actuate play in the > forward direction. When the #1 key is pressed it flips causes > reverse play to be actuated when play is pressed. When the #2 button > is pressed it reverts back to forward play when play is pressed. > > One more feature/limitation. In version 1, when the remote receiver > is configured as device #4 the record function will not work. You > can use this if you don't want to accidently press record on the > remote and wipe out your tape (it's a feature). > > I want to get everything working perfectly before I start selling > these things. > > Currently my remote will not work on the 480 series. If there is > enough interest I will make a version for it. I'm also tossing > around the idea of making a remote receiver for the ST-7 tuner. Let > me know off list if interested p9019 at yahoo.com > > Scott J. From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 4 23:40:59 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How does the Record button work on various decks In-Reply-To: <4432D969.2010302@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060404214100.53067.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > If your TX/RX can communicate only one code at > a time, trying to send two codes simultaneously > will not work. Yes, I know that. I have coded up a routine that asserts Record to the deck and then 100ms later asserts Pause. It then keeps both asserted for 524ms after the button on the remote is released. > Have you tried to put a very short > delay in the release time in the receiver F/W? > If you do, then sending Record, followed by a > Pause, should work. I know how to get around the problem. I want to know which decks require this two button press (like the RX and Dragon) and which ones only require the one button press (like the BX-300 and MR-1). I may need to add a jumper to select between these two types of decks. Something I don't want to do. > > -- Ron --- Ron wrote: > Scott Johnson wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I'm almost finished with my aftermarket Nakamichi IR remote, PC > > boards have been fab'd and 12 units built up. It works like a > champ > > on my MR-1, but, need to do a few things to get it to work on the > > RX-505 and Dragon. > > > > Picture of the front > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Remote_front.jpg > > > > Picture of the back > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Remote_back.jpg > > > > On the MR-1 and BX-300 to put the deck into Record-Pause all you > need > > to do is hit Record. On the RX-505 you need to hit Record and > while > > holding Record down then press Pause. I modified my code to > > simultaneously actuate Record and Pause, but, that doesn't work. > I > > guess there needs to be a delay between when Record is pressed > and > > Pause is pressed. > > > > > > Ok, sorry for the long introduction. Now for my question to the > > group. Of the decks that have a remote jack (not including the > 480 > > series) what other decks require record to be held down while > pause > > is pressed to enter Record-Pause mode? > > > > My remote receiver will probably come in two flavors. One > version > > will work only with decks that provide power out the remote jack > on > > pin 8. This version won't have a AC adapter jack on the back and > > will have a jumper inside for selecting between four different > remote > > codes so up to four units can be in the same area without cross > > controlling. The 2nd version will be made specifically for the > > RX-303/RX-505/Dragon. Basically for decks that do not provide > power > > out the remote jack because of the added Reverse play function on > pin > > 8. This version will have an AC Adapter jack on the back, but, > will > > work without an external AC adapter on decks that DO provide > power > > out the remote jack. So it will work on ALL decks. The > disadvantage > > is that it will cost a little more and can only be configured > between > > two different remote codes. You can still have four units in the > > same room, as long as at least two of them are the version 1 > type. > > The 2nd version needs to use the jumper to select between > standard > > (non-autoreverse) decks and autoreverse decks > (RX-303/RX-505/Dragon). > > There is another jumper to select between RX-303/RX-505 and > Dragon > > since the pin 8 function works a bit differently on these two > decks. > > On the RX-303/RX-505 it flips the tape around and when play is > > pressed it actuates the standard play function on pin 3. On the > > Dragon, pin-8, actuates play in the reverse direction. Since > most > > universal remotes don't have a reverse play button (and even if > it > > did, it doesn't work in the remote device codes I have choosen to > > use) I have choosen to do things a little differently. What I > have > > done is on power up when play is pressed it will actuate play in > the > > forward direction. When the #1 key is pressed it flips causes > > reverse play to be actuated when play is pressed. When the #2 > button > > is pressed it reverts back to forward play when play is pressed. > > > > One more feature/limitation. In version 1, when the remote > receiver > > is configured as device #4 the record function will not work. > You > > can use this if you don't want to accidently press record on the > > remote and wipe out your tape (it's a feature). > > > > I want to get everything working perfectly before I start selling > > these things. > > > > Currently my remote will not work on the 480 series. If there is > > enough interest I will make a version for it. I'm also tossing > > around the idea of making a remote receiver for the ST-7 tuner. > Let > > me know off list if interested p9019 at yahoo.com > > > > Scott J. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Wed Apr 5 00:05:03 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:05:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Luis Peromarta - unable to reply Message-ID: <001201c65833$d33bb600$4781d255@homeduron1300> I suppose this is quite topical at the moment, what with all the ho-ha over Bala's supposedly unreadable posts (I can always read them Bala), but I have just been unable to reply to Luis's post as he has some sort of digital signing thing on his system and I wasn't allowed to reply unless I obtained a digital signature first. I don't know what it is but I didn't really want one and so have put up this 'way off topic' post. I suppose it does illustrate that it is quite important to use a system of communication which the rest of Nak talk can utilise, esp. if you want replies. Oh and sorry Luis but I can't sacrifice the pawn in my grand scheme, can I? Have you seen the 505 on eBay (uk) at the moment? There is a mint Dragon as well. The 505 seller is certainly pulling out all the stops with the attention grabbing title and item description but that doesn't mean the machine isn't perfectly good. David From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 5 00:04:20 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:04:20 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20060404092424.008174b0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060404170420.00819d10@earthlink.net> I am certain it isn't any one thing Nakamichi designed and executed, it is the sum of many things. I listed 4 reasons that once properly addressed, proved that cassette was a high resolution format. The circuit designs would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and distortion and flutter. The "non-standard" EQ argument was a hot-button for those selling against Nakamichis, and my stomping was shock that it would appear on this list as an unanswered question. I forgot that there are youngsters and others that may not be familiar with sales pitches from the old days! Nakamichi sound is synergistic, and all models began with the belief that cassette could be hi-fi. BTW Did you know that Nakamichi was the only major manufacturer to set cassette speed accurately. The others were all 2-3% fast! tom brucker (At 08:42 AM 4/4/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: >Tom: >I'm sorry, I'm not following you, maybe I couldn't hear what you were saying >with all that stomping going on. :~) > >What are you saying is the reason they sound better, just the equilization >difference they use? Or the better quality heads they use.. and wouldn't >narrower gaps equate to better quality, higher frequency, etc., along with >what ever else they have done with their circuit design to improve things? > > >Thanks, >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:24 AM >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk >Nakamichi forum >Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > >MYTH! > (sound of stomping) > narrow gaps can reproduce higher frequencies,IF the tape has >small enough particles. >Nakamichi playback 20kHz frequency equalization standard is +2dB above the >EXTRAPOLATED Philips compact cassette 15kHz frequency standard. No 20kHz >standard exists! There was a lot of debate primarily from the Tandberg >folks, that Nak had chosen incorrectly, creating this mythic argument. >Nakamichi playback eq exactly follows the Philips standard as far as it >goes. The tapes sound different because they are different! They are >louder, lower distortion, flatter in the bass and mid bass, and have more >treble than most decks can reproduce. >I hope this MYTH will never more be mentioned on this list. ... (or maybe >that's why we segregate ourselves:) > >tom brucker > >At 09:08 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: >>I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap heads >>that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other >>tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt >>equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures >>decks. >> >>Doane >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rob at rhoag.com Wed Apr 5 04:10:52 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:10:52 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060404170420.00819d10@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi, Tom: "The circuit designs would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and distortion and flutter." I agree, and your point that it was "the sum of many things" is probably the answer, I also never thought it was just the superior head design which allowed the use of a different eq. sttting, but the combination of things all togeather, as you pointed out. I guess I was miss-understanding you. Anway, I can only go by my experience in the past. Back in the 80's this little known Japanese company suddenly appeared, after silentely making the rather earth shattering early cassete decks OEM like the Advent, and produced a line of decks that sort of blew everyone away, including me. When I went into my local high end audio dealer in Fort Worth, Texas, back in the late 70's, they demo'd my first look at these amazing decks. I think the first one I saw was a 580, anyway, I was just bowled over, but it wasn't until a few years later that I actually bought one. I didn't know about the speed, but I'm really not surprised. Cheers! Doane --------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:04 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk Nakamichi forum Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] I am certain it isn't any one thing Nakamichi designed and executed, it is the sum of many things. I listed 4 reasons that once properly addressed, proved that cassette was a high resolution format. The circuit designs would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and distortion and flutter. The "non-standard" EQ argument was a hot-button for those selling against Nakamichis, and my stomping was shock that it would appear on this list as an unanswered question. I forgot that there are youngsters and others that may not be familiar with sales pitches from the old days! Nakamichi sound is synergistic, and all models began with the belief that cassette could be hi-fi. BTW Did you know that Nakamichi was the only major manufacturer to set cassette speed accurately. The others were all 2-3% fast! tom brucker (At 08:42 AM 4/4/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: >Tom: >I'm sorry, I'm not following you, maybe I couldn't hear what you were saying >with all that stomping going on. :~) > >What are you saying is the reason they sound better, just the equilization >difference they use? Or the better quality heads they use.. and wouldn't >narrower gaps equate to better quality, higher frequency, etc., along with >what ever else they have done with their circuit design to improve things? > > >Thanks, >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:24 AM >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk >Nakamichi forum >Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > >MYTH! > (sound of stomping) > narrow gaps can reproduce higher frequencies,IF the tape has >small enough particles. >Nakamichi playback 20kHz frequency equalization standard is +2dB above the >EXTRAPOLATED Philips compact cassette 15kHz frequency standard. No 20kHz >standard exists! There was a lot of debate primarily from the Tandberg >folks, that Nak had chosen incorrectly, creating this mythic argument. >Nakamichi playback eq exactly follows the Philips standard as far as it >goes. The tapes sound different because they are different! They are >louder, lower distortion, flatter in the bass and mid bass, and have more >treble than most decks can reproduce. >I hope this MYTH will never more be mentioned on this list. ... (or maybe >that's why we segregate ourselves:) > >tom brucker > >At 09:08 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: >>I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap heads >>that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other >>tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt >>equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures >>decks. >> >>Doane >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 03:13:27 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:13:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette delamination In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060331233801.0261f278@richardhess.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060331233801.0261f278@richardhess.com> Message-ID: <443319B7.7090701@woods-and-waters.com> Wow Richard, this is some amazing information! I learned a lot from it. Thanks! The photos of the cassettes are really fascinating. Richard L. Hess wrote: > Any of you folks seen this? > http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/03/31/project-notes-advanced-oxide-delamination-of-a-cassette/ > Nak content: the good parts after splicing out the flakes in the middle > were played on a Dragon. > > Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com > Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ > Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 03:15:36 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:15:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442EF2C4.3050000@xs4all.nl> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> <442D9DF3.4030906@woods-and-waters.com> <442DA1F0.6090100@xs4all.nl> <442DD9D2.8060300@woods-and-waters.com> <442EF2C4.3050000@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <44331A38.1000708@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Wouter, Wouter Heijke wrote: > What had to be done is switch the red and the white plastic rings that > make the color of the connectors. If you look at Conrad's picture you'll > see that red is at the PCB side and the Nak connector has white there... > You can remove the black plastic cover together with the 2 outer gold > connectors and out come the 2 little rings, change them and tut > everything back. > > What I suggested yesterday is maybe you can use the outer part of the > gold connectors as far as I can see they are not easily interchangeable > with the older connectors... I suppose we just have to find and try some > products like I did with this one. > > Wouter Well, you have me looking for suitable parts. This is such a cool idea! We all should do this mod, or a variation of it. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Apr 5 04:54:38 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 02:54:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How does the Record button work on various decks In-Reply-To: <20060404183919.95467.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott, you are a hero!!! Just what I've been waiting for, man. I hope I can soon get my hands on one of your remotes, I am after the one for RX-505 and maybe the other one too for my BX-300. I am waiting and waiting and waiting...............................albeit impatiently :-) >Hi guys, >I'm almost finished with my aftermarket Nakamichi IR remote, PC >boards have been fab'd and 12 units built up. It works like a champ >on my MR-1, but, need to do a few things to get it to work on the >RX-505 and Dragon. > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 03:19:41 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:19:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: <20060402110539.222.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060402110539.222.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44331B2D.3040905@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Well now you can see why the 680ZX has a cult following > just like the 600/ 600II. Its second to the cult following of the later, > but no other deck has a devotion. Every other deck has detractors, but > these two decks have their faithful. > > And now that you have got it, you don't wanna give it back to the person > you loaned it from..hehe! Well, he's a groovy guy so I think he'll not send me into the pits of despair by taking back soon. This is indeed now one of my new favorite sound recorders. Very wonderful deck! > As I say to all those who are pleased with their Naks - > > Welcome to the club! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 03:23:36 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:23:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: <442FB30C.7010500@xs4all.nl> References: <20060402110539.222.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <442FB30C.7010500@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <44331C18.1020503@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Wouter, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Exactly! > > This has until today been my problem as well... I never thought I would > like the 70's Naks until I got my first one.... Same for the CR decks... > The 680ZX is one of my favorite Naks, so join the club! Be amazed even > more Kermit and do some recording in long-play mode...this reminds me I > have to do this sometime again as well! Okay now this is amazing. I tried your suggestion and recorded at the 15/16 ips speed using an SKC metal tape. The 680ZX was able to put my Pioneer CT-F7272 to shame (quiter, better high end, with lower distortion) -- even though the Pioneer records at the 1-7/8 ips speed! Even more wild, the 680ZX beat my Pioneer RT-1011L and Uher 4400 at 3-3/4 ips! The 680ZX equalled my Revox B710 using ferric tape. Okay, so beating the Uher isn't so hard. This is fun! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 03:26:13 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:26:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44331CB5.90204@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane Doane Hoag wrote: > Wow, that is pretty impressive! > > I had a similar experience while living in Texas back in the 80's. I went to > a party where a guy had some really fancy equipment, including a very > expensive Revox, a lot more expensive then my ZX7. Sorry, I can't remember > the model at this point, but he was convinced that this was the king of > Cassette decks and had not even looked at Naks out of some sort of distain > for them. Anyway, to make the story short, I challenged him about it and so > he had me bring mine over to his house a few days later and we did some > serious comparisons... by the time I left he was apologizing, and sort of > drooling all over my ZX7. (well, maybe not drooling, but he was definitely > impressed!) :~) > > By the way, I finally remembered what one of my early cassette decks was, it > was a Dual C919 http://www.compassnet.com/concept/Tapes/C919.htm, (not a > Tandberg) ...pretty good deck but when I finally got a Nak I was just > amazed. Dual's C919 was a nice deck but it couldn't equal my 550, alas. I really wanted a C919 when they were new but I wanted the 550's sound more, so my first great cassette deck was the 550. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 03:33:42 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:33:42 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44331E76.5060108@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Kermit: > > One other thing I was going comment about, as far as the compatibility issue > with Naks is concerned (not sure if this applies to the earlier ones).. > it wasn't just a setup equalization difference, the heads on the Naks were > extremely narrow and this was another reason I had understood that the sound > could not be matched or duplicated when playing back a Nak recorded cassette > on another brand. For me it wasn't too much of an issue because the only > other place I played my tapes (copies of them) was in my car deck or my > walkman, but I can see how making copies for other decks to play back on > would be a real problem, even if the other decks have perfectly aligned > playback heads to what the Nak was recorded at. Probably, for best > compatibility, one would have better results using a Revox or some other top > brand to make recordings? I canot speak to the other models, but I've experienced no compatibility issues with the 500, 550, 600/600II because of track width. The only problem was the Nak's different EQ. Sometimes even this wasn't a problem with cetain music recordings (solo classical guitar, for example) or with spoken word tapes. As you discovered with the Walkman, compatibility isn't a professional issue -- its an issue with everyone who has a cassette player or recorder who wants to play tapes recorded in one brand in a player of another brand. Did you know that the mono-only cassette recorders aren't exactly compatible with stereo cassettes? Try it -- the channel balance isn't correct in stereo players because of the mono recorder's different track width and the differing placement of the tracks! I wonder if cassettes would have enjoyed more success if manufacturers had followed established standards more closely? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 03:40:27 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:40:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4433200B.2070001@woods-and-waters.com> Okay, Doane, you ratfink: now I gotta get myself a ZX-7 or ZX-9. And a 682ZX. Ack. Gotta have more Nakamichi cassette recorders! Forget food, forget women, just push some more decks under the door. You know it just struck me another reason I'm enjoying the 680ZX so much. With metal cassettes it gives me 10 dB headroom, assuming that I'm recording at 0 dB as usual. Consider that a 15 ips reel to reel has 12 dB headroom (assuming it was calibrated to standard) and here is a cassette deck that anyone can easily own that has almost the same headroom as a professional reel-to-reel, yet it uses convenient inexpensive cassette tapes. Very, very cool. Doane Hoag wrote: > I keep thinking of things to add on this interesting thread... if you like > the 680ZX, I think you would love the ZX7 or ZX9. > > They both have the advantage of a more accurate record head azimuth > adjustment, instead of the auto adjustment in the 680-681-682ZX along with a > fool proof, fast, 1-2-3 azimuth-levels-bias setup that can be done in about > 30 seconds or less. > > The 680-681ZX have a built in 400hz tone for levels adjustment, but again, > it's automatic with no user control like you get with the ZX7 or ZX9. > Only the 681-682ZX include a 15k built in tone for bias frequencies > adjustment, like the ZX7 & ZX9 have. > > The 680ZX only has Dolby B, while the 681 & 682ZX include Dolby C with > better tracking, less distortion, higher headroom and better signal to noise > ratio, as do the ZX7 & ZX9 > > The 600 series have pitch control unlike the ZX7-9, but I'm not sure that's > such a big deal, I am more pleased with the cue control built in the ZX7 & 9 > and find it more useful, but I know that's a personal preference. > > Not sure if you are all aware of this, but the ZX7 & 9 were used as > reference decks through the 1980's for most of the tape deck reviews in the > Stereo magazines. I'm just surprised I don't see more discussion about them > here on this forum, maybe they weren't as readily available in Europe at the > time they were being made, or maybe the exchange rate wasn't good at the > time, but I don't see too many mentioned by people living in Europe and > elsewhere. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 03:48:40 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:48:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: <20060403033920.30148.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060403033920.30148.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443321F8.5060608@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > The 78s were played using a Goldring GL78 turntable with a idler-drive. > In the shop where those tapes were made, the workers do not dis-engage > the idler at the end of the day. And so the rubber idles developed a > flat spot. Initially, I thought only some of the program material had > this problem. But the 680ZX revealed that ALL tapes had a serious > problems. The four woofers on my speakers were working serious travel > reporducing those noises! A bit off topic here, but: My 78-rpm layer is a Dual 1218 with an ADC QLM-32 boxcar. I can get a 78-rpm stylus for it but would you recommend a different boxcar for playing 78s? "Boxcar" means "cartridge" for those who haven't heard the slang term. The 680ZX has also shown me low-frequency problems in recordings I've made over the years that do not show up with my other recorders. Embarassing. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 03:53:16 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:53:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Binaural recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4433230C.7000401@woods-and-waters.com> Hi George, gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > Well Kermit, I think you should share some of the stuff you recorded! > Those who haven't tried binaural should. It's very interesting, although > it comes up a little short of "real" for me. I would compare binaural to > 3D movies - not quite real convincing, and a real lack of available > quality material. I agree with your critique of binaural. Spot on! I'm thinking that from now on when I record a band I will record simultaneously in binaural and conventionally. I don't mind the dual release approach. Remember when labels would release an album in both mono and stereo? > I did make up a dummy head back in the 80s and recorded a few things, but > kinda lost interest. I purchased a few recordings of dramas which were > pretty interesting, but the "in the head" sensation was always there. Do > you have the same sensations with your recordings? I suspect that if there > were visual cues to go along with the audio, the brain would have an > easier time sorting things out and maybe binaural would sound more > realistic. Yes, I never entirely got rid of the "and in the brain" but this is the sunject of ongoing research. I've tried every binaural microphone ever sold, no joy yet. Maybe one day. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 03:58:31 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:58:31 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <0326F051-A579-4B54-AF91-2FA008808C2F@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <0326F051-A579-4B54-AF91-2FA008808C2F@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <44332447.8040607@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Kimo, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Now this brings up an interesting point I hadn't previously thought of. > Is the distortion that's inherent on the tape in the record phase > or the playback phase of things--in other words, is the Nak's ability > to record AND playback higher levels due to record head & circuitry > differences or playback ones? I would guess the answers are "yes" and > "both" but the question then is how much is each? The distortion comes from the record circuitry, the record head, the reproduce circuitry, the reproduce head, bias errors, bias asymmetry, and the tape itself. Phew! Some recorders, like the original Nakamichi 600, Scully 280, 3M 79, and Ampex MR-70 used pre-distortion (adding distortion equal in magnitude but opposite in phase -- very simplistic esxplanation not technicaly accurate) to cancel out the distortion during record. Nakamichi called it IM Distortion Reduction, Scully called it noise balance, Why? I do not know. I forget 3M's and Ampex's names for the method. The answer to "how much" depends on the make and model of the recorder and of the tape. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 04:03:46 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:03:46 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44332582.4020409@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Kimo, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Oops, let's finish that one...back to our story... > > I don't think the Naks record a signal intentionally distorted one way > that "hides" a different kind of distortion, then "undoes" it exactly > symmetrically on playback (at least when not using noise reduction :-). > So it seems that if a tape that's recorded at a "high" level on the > Nak (that plays back OK on the Nak) can't be played back even when the > deck is "optimized" (azimuth, eq, etc.) on another deck then > more of the fault in this case at least lies with the playback deck-- so > then, is it the heads or the circuitry?-kby The reason that, in many instances, a tape that's recorded at a "high" level on the Nak (that plays back OK on the Nak) can't be played back even when another brand of deck is "optimized" is simple. The reproduce amplifier in the other brand of deck cannot handle the higher signasl levels caused the the high recording levels. The result is clipping o rhigh dirtortion and the cause is the same as what occurs when any amplifier is given input levels higher than it can handle. This can happen with any cassette deck though. If I record at +5 dB on my Nak 600 or 680ZX, or my Revox B710, then play the cassette back in my Pioneer CT-F7272 the Pioneer will sound distorted. It cannot handle those high playback levels without serious distortion. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 04:04:25 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:04:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443325A9.1060303@woods-and-waters.com> Right on, Kimo! Best idea I've ever read on this list! ;) Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> The 680ZX gave me the biggest wow when I listened to cassettes, the >> next only by the 1000ZXL. > > > So, should we "rent" a 1000zxl to Kermit? The first recording is > free....:-)-kby > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 04:06:57 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:06:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <20060401012724.99724.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060401012724.99724.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44332641.3050608@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > A very important learning opportunity for all of us here indeed Kermit. > Points well made. I have noticed the disparity between my Aiwa Excelia > and Nakamichi decks. So far, when I did comparisons between Nak decks, > there wasn't a problem. But I ran into some confusion when I was looking > at decks from these two manufacturers. On a Aiwa F990, the Dolby > reference level is pegged at +3dB. The same for Technics decks. On a > Nakamichi 670ZX,and 600/II, they clearely marked the Dolby level at > 0dB. Now my question is this - while TDK tapes were being used > extensively by Nakamichi (even Nak tapes were made by them), why didn't > Nak choose to use their standards? EXACTLY! I've wondered the same thing! Why didn't Nakamichi choose to use the TDK level standard? I have no idea but I wish they would have. My theory: each manufacturer picked reference levels that favored their decks. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 04:07:55 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:07:55 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4433267B.6080607@woods-and-waters.com> Good on you, Alex! Keep enjoying great music! Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Kermit! > > Bravo...you JUST recall my memory...today I will try to change to 120eq, > instead 70eq when I will listen my recorded TDK SA family trough the > Kenwood with my lovely Dragon...I'm certainly sure that the "Muffled" > sound will be greatly improved! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 04:10:27 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:10:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX test. In-Reply-To: <20060403224746.97967.qmail@web60724.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060403224746.97967.qmail@web60724.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44332713.2060108@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Oh wow. I just looked at my track sheet. One track is labelled HI TOM. Small world. But I digress, Tom Siomopoulos wrote: > I thought I'd put my 2 cents worth in. The recent discussions about the > 680ZX had stirred my curiosity so last night I played around with my > 680ZX. I poped in a tape I found in my stash and played it back, what I > noticed was the meters flickering at a fast rate between the quiet > passages in the music. I was puzzled as to why this was happening, after > a minute or two scratching my head I glanced at the speakers and noticed > that the bass driver was bouncing like mad. It all made sense now, it > was the recording of a record. How sensitive and acurate is this machine > with such perfect reproduction of the low frequencies. > > I did another test with the low speed recordings, I opened up a new TDK > MA and performed a calibration and recording with the unit, noticed that > the manual stated to use 120 uS on the metal settings for the low speed > so I did that and recorded around 5 minutes of music, I fell over > backwards from the quality of this gem. Again such clarity from this > classic and I just love it. > > If anyone here on this forum can get hold of a 680ZX do the low speed > test with a decent metal tape, it's guaranteed to impress. This is the thing that impressed me most about the 680ZX -- its astounding bass response. Better bass than many 30-ips reel-to-reel decks! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 04:16:18 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:16:18 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44332872.708@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap heads > that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other > tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt > equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures > decks. Uh, well, narrow tracks record LESS info. My guess is they chose the narrow track to improve phase response, but this is only a pet theory. Think about it. Narrower track. Less surface area. Less information. Note that the very finest analog multitrack recorder ever made is Mark Spitz's Ampex ATR-100 conversion that records 8 tracks onto 2-inch tape. Most professional 8-track decks use 1/2-inch tape. Imagine the increase in information Marks' modded 2-inch 8-track decks have compared to a standard 1/2-inch 8-track. The dynamic range and frequency response of these marvels of audio engineering have to be heard to be believed! This deck doesn't need noise reduction! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From rob at rhoag.com Wed Apr 5 06:22:40 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:22:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: <4433200B.2070001@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: hehe.. :~) Wish I could send you one! Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:40 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Hi Tech Subject: Re: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. Okay, Doane, you ratfink: now I gotta get myself a ZX-7 or ZX-9. And a 682ZX. Ack. Gotta have more Nakamichi cassette recorders! Forget food, forget women, just push some more decks under the door. You know it just struck me another reason I'm enjoying the 680ZX so much. With metal cassettes it gives me 10 dB headroom, assuming that I'm recording at 0 dB as usual. Consider that a 15 ips reel to reel has 12 dB headroom (assuming it was calibrated to standard) and here is a cassette deck that anyone can easily own that has almost the same headroom as a professional reel-to-reel, yet it uses convenient inexpensive cassette tapes. Very, very cool. Doane Hoag wrote: > I keep thinking of things to add on this interesting thread... if you like > the 680ZX, I think you would love the ZX7 or ZX9. > > They both have the advantage of a more accurate record head azimuth > adjustment, instead of the auto adjustment in the 680-681-682ZX along with a > fool proof, fast, 1-2-3 azimuth-levels-bias setup that can be done in about > 30 seconds or less. > > The 680-681ZX have a built in 400hz tone for levels adjustment, but again, > it's automatic with no user control like you get with the ZX7 or ZX9. > Only the 681-682ZX include a 15k built in tone for bias frequencies > adjustment, like the ZX7 & ZX9 have. > > The 680ZX only has Dolby B, while the 681 & 682ZX include Dolby C with > better tracking, less distortion, higher headroom and better signal to noise > ratio, as do the ZX7 & ZX9 > > The 600 series have pitch control unlike the ZX7-9, but I'm not sure that's > such a big deal, I am more pleased with the cue control built in the ZX7 & 9 > and find it more useful, but I know that's a personal preference. > > Not sure if you are all aware of this, but the ZX7 & 9 were used as > reference decks through the 1980's for most of the tape deck reviews in the > Stereo magazines. I'm just surprised I don't see more discussion about them > here on this forum, maybe they weren't as readily available in Europe at the > time they were being made, or maybe the exchange rate wasn't good at the > time, but I don't see too many mentioned by people living in Europe and > elsewhere. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Apr 5 06:22:41 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:22:41 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <44332872.708@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Not narrow tracks, narrow head gaps, big difference. Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:16 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap heads > that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other > tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt > equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures > decks. Uh, well, narrow tracks record LESS info. My guess is they chose the narrow track to improve phase response, but this is only a pet theory. Think about it. Narrower track. Less surface area. Less information. Note that the very finest analog multitrack recorder ever made is Mark Spitz's Ampex ATR-100 conversion that records 8 tracks onto 2-inch tape. Most professional 8-track decks use 1/2-inch tape. Imagine the increase in information Marks' modded 2-inch 8-track decks have compared to a standard 1/2-inch 8-track. The dynamic range and frequency response of these marvels of audio engineering have to be heard to be believed! This deck doesn't need noise reduction! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 5 06:57:54 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:57:54 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44334E52.5090105@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Not narrow tracks, narrow head gaps, big difference. Okay, I misread your mess(age). Sorry. I gotta stop pushing the Stupid Mode Engable Button. Gap width isn't the problem. In the early days, it was discovered that narrowing the gap width improved high frequency response at any given speed. This is the origin of the mistaken belief that narrow gaps mean excellent high frequency response. As tapes formulations improved it was found that gap width affected mainly how much recording and bias current the head could handle and how much flux the head could produce, although the latter characteristic is also a function of the head's metallurgy and the winding of the coils. In short, gap width is only part of the way you achieve good high frequency response. Actually it is one of several interrelated parameters you adjust for good high frequency response. Narrow gaps per se do not guarantee good high frequency response. Listen to a Uher for a demonstration of this. I've designed tape heads twice. It can drive you barking mad. An erase head is simple. It's simply an electromagnet that emits the bias frequency, erasing the tape in the process. A record head must have a wide enough gap to get the magnetic flux to fully penetrate the tape, yet it must also have a gap wide enough to attain sharp gradients of flux. Okay, a bit more complex. A playback head is more intricate. As the width of the waveform's flux approaches the width of the gap the output of the head drops, and wil become zero when the two are equal. The trick is either to increase tape speed to spread out the flux wavefronts at any given frequency, OR to find the narrowest gap that will give an adequate (if not maximum) output voltage at the desired high frequency. (Or both.) Sound complex? It is! By the way, this shows why a three head deck outperforms a two head deck. In a two head, the gap width of the record/play head must be a compromise. In a three head recorder both the record and play heads can be optimized. The engineers at Nakamichi had to find the right combination of head construction, gap width, coil winding pattern, head lamination metallurgy and stacking pattern, head surface metallurgy, head curvature, bias current, bias frequency, recording current, head impedance compared to record and replay amp impedances, output voltage sensitivity-verus-gap width-versus high frequency limit, mounting method to ensure aziumth accuracy. Add to this the chosen characteristic EQ standard and the track widths. Then all these factors had to be balanced and optimized within the context of the then-available cassette tapes' magnetic properties, all within the constraints of the very slow 1-7/8 ips speed! They achieved better than 20 to 20,000 with very low THD and IMD, excellent signal-to-noise ratios better than -60 dB. They did this at a time when many other stereo cassette decks typically made 40 to 10,000 cps, with the best of most of the other brands doing only 30 to 15,000 cps! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Apr 5 10:58:37 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:58:37 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Message-ID: Hi Doane! IF...was during the late 70ties, was for sure the Tri Tracer 700/ll or the top of the line 1000/ll...try to remember well!!! My blessing, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Hi Tech" , "Talk about Nakamichi >Cassette Decks" , "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > >Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] >Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:10:52 -0700 > >Hi, Tom: > >"The circuit designs would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and >distortion and flutter." >I agree, and your point that it was "the sum of many things" is probably >the >answer, I also never thought it was just the superior head design which >allowed the use of a different eq. sttting, but the combination of things >all togeather, as you pointed out. I guess I was miss-understanding you. > >Anway, I can only go by my experience in the past. Back in the 80's this >little known Japanese company suddenly appeared, after silentely making the >rather earth shattering early cassete decks OEM like the Advent, and >produced a line of decks that sort of blew everyone away, including me. >When >I went into my local high end audio dealer in Fort Worth, Texas, back in >the >late 70's, they demo'd my first look at these amazing decks. I think the >first one I saw was a 580, anyway, I was just bowled over, but it wasn't >until a few years later that I actually bought one. > >I didn't know about the speed, but I'm really not surprised. > >Cheers! > >Doane > >--------------------- > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:04 PM >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk >Nakamichi forum >Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > >I am certain it isn't any one thing Nakamichi designed and executed, it is >the sum of many things. I listed 4 reasons that once properly addressed, >proved that cassette was a high resolution format. The circuit designs >would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and distortion and flutter. > The "non-standard" EQ argument was a hot-button for those selling >against Nakamichis, and my stomping was shock that it would appear on this >list as an unanswered question. I forgot that there are youngsters and >others that may not be familiar with sales pitches from the old days! > Nakamichi sound is synergistic, and all models began with the belief >that cassette could be hi-fi. > > BTW Did you know that Nakamichi was the only major manufacturer to >set cassette speed accurately. The others were all 2-3% fast! > >tom brucker > >(At 08:42 AM 4/4/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: > >Tom: > >I'm sorry, I'm not following you, maybe I couldn't hear what you were >saying > >with all that stomping going on. :~) > > > >What are you saying is the reason they sound better, just the >equilization > >difference they use? Or the better quality heads they use.. and wouldn't > >narrower gaps equate to better quality, higher frequency, etc., along >with > >what ever else they have done with their circuit design to improve >things? > > > > > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:24 AM > >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk > >Nakamichi forum > >Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > > > > >MYTH! > > (sound of stomping) > > narrow gaps can reproduce higher frequencies,IF the tape >has > >small enough particles. > >Nakamichi playback 20kHz frequency equalization standard is +2dB above >the > >EXTRAPOLATED Philips compact cassette 15kHz frequency standard. No 20kHz > >standard exists! There was a lot of debate primarily from the Tandberg > >folks, that Nak had chosen incorrectly, creating this mythic argument. > >Nakamichi playback eq exactly follows the Philips standard as far as it > >goes. The tapes sound different because they are different! They are > >louder, lower distortion, flatter in the bass and mid bass, and have more > >treble than most decks can reproduce. > >I hope this MYTH will never more be mentioned on this list. ... (or maybe > >that's why we segregate ourselves:) > > > >tom brucker > > > >At 09:08 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: > >>I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap >heads > >>that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other > >>tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt > >>equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures > >>decks. > >> > >>Doane > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >Tom Brucker CSM > >Hi Tech Service > >2934 Nolensville Rd. > >Nashville, TN 37211 > >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 5 11:14:34 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:14:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: <443321F8.5060608@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: I'll butt in here. Try the MM Ortofon OM78. The stylus is also interchangeable with any of their other styli - e.g. OM20, OM30, OM40, so you get the best of all worlds. (I like the OM40 and swap between that and the 78 on my Lenco L78.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 05 April 2006 02:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > The 78s were played using a Goldring GL78 turntable with a idler-drive. > In the shop where those tapes were made, the workers do not dis-engage > the idler at the end of the day. And so the rubber idles developed a > flat spot. Initially, I thought only some of the program material had > this problem. But the 680ZX revealed that ALL tapes had a serious > problems. The four woofers on my speakers were working serious travel > reporducing those noises! A bit off topic here, but: My 78-rpm layer is a Dual 1218 with an ADC QLM-32 boxcar. I can get a 78-rpm stylus for it but would you recommend a different boxcar for playing 78s? "Boxcar" means "cartridge" for those who haven't heard the slang term. The 680ZX has also shown me low-frequency problems in recordings I've made over the years that do not show up with my other recorders. Embarassing. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Apr 5 11:16:13 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:16:13 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Message-ID: Shalom my Buddy! I do it....much more improvement! Thanks again...again...! Enjoy your 680ZX...till you can "Grapple" a 1000ZXL...another history!!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] >Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:07:55 -0500 > >Good on you, Alex! Keep enjoying great music! > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Hi Kermit! >> >>Bravo...you JUST recall my memory...today I will try to change to 120eq, >>instead 70eq when I will listen my recorded TDK SA family trough the >>Kenwood with my lovely Dragon...I'm certainly sure that the "Muffled" >>sound will be greatly improved! > > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tpfinn at btinternet.com Wed Apr 5 12:08:12 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:08:12 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] References: Message-ID: <001f01c65898$d92e47c0$0d9d8456@compaq> Similarly the smaller the playback gap the less EQ you need! For those interested, and to get all the facts in focus suggest you refer to the Nak Tech Bulletin No.2, Dated May 9 1975, Subject: Playback Equalization. This covers the subject in great depth and will answer all your questions about where Nak were coming from in 75. It also compares the theoretical playback EQ curves with that of the their original 1000 playback EQ playback Amp You will all appreciate how far ahead of every body they were, and continued to be until their close!! (I may be wrong but with nak having such a small playback gap they were responsible for cassette tape manufactures pursuing smaller and smaller magnetic particles and pushing the boundaries of tape formulations!!!) Also for those discovering the delights of the 680 and anybody else who are realising how good the extreme LF on the top end NAKs can be but are possibly getting probs when transferring from vinyl, Try switching in your sub sonic filter on your Pre Amp and............. adding one to the input of your tape deck (normal reason for LF swamping is TT/arm cart resonance exciting sub frequencies then being passed to the RIAA phono EQ (Bass boost, Treble cut) which just makes things worse......... OK, I'll get back in my box now!! Regards Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doane Hoag" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > Not narrow tracks, narrow head gaps, big difference. > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:16 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > > Hi Doane, > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap > heads > > that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other > > tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt > > equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures > > decks. > > Uh, well, narrow tracks record LESS info. My guess is they chose the > narrow track to improve phase response, but this is only a pet theory. > > Think about it. > > Narrower track. Less surface area. Less information. > > Note that the very finest analog multitrack recorder ever made is Mark > Spitz's Ampex ATR-100 conversion that records 8 tracks onto 2-inch tape. > Most professional 8-track decks use 1/2-inch tape. Imagine the increase > in information Marks' modded 2-inch 8-track decks have compared to a > standard 1/2-inch 8-track. The dynamic range and frequency response of > these marvels of audio engineering have to be heard to be believed! This > deck doesn't need noise reduction! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/301 - Release Date: 04/04/06 > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 5 15:50:06 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:50:06 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <44332872.708@woods-and-waters.com> References: <44332872.708@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4433CB0E.70608@rcn.com> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Doane, > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap >> heads >> that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other >> tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt >> equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures >> decks. > > Uh, well, narrow tracks record LESS info. My guess is they chose the > narrow track to improve phase response, but this is only a pet theory. Actually, narrow tracks have better high frequency response. As you say, the trade off is lower signal output, due to smaller gap area, leading to lower S/N ratio. -- Ron > Think about it. > > Narrower track. Less surface area. Less information. > > Note that the very finest analog multitrack recorder ever made is Mark > Spitz's Ampex ATR-100 conversion that records 8 tracks onto 2-inch tape. > Most professional 8-track decks use 1/2-inch tape. Imagine the increase > in information Marks' modded 2-inch 8-track decks have compared to a > standard 1/2-inch 8-track. The dynamic range and frequency response of > these marvels of audio engineering have to be heard to be believed! This > deck doesn't need noise reduction! > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 5 15:52:16 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:52:16 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4433CB90.50502@rcn.com> Ooops... Of course, I meant narrow gap, not narrow track, in my last response. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Not narrow tracks, narrow head gaps, big difference. > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:16 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > > Hi Doane, > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap > heads >> that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other >> tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt >> equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures >> decks. > > Uh, well, narrow tracks record LESS info. My guess is they chose the > narrow track to improve phase response, but this is only a pet theory. > > Think about it. > > Narrower track. Less surface area. Less information. > > Note that the very finest analog multitrack recorder ever made is Mark > Spitz's Ampex ATR-100 conversion that records 8 tracks onto 2-inch tape. > Most professional 8-track decks use 1/2-inch tape. Imagine the increase > in information Marks' modded 2-inch 8-track decks have compared to a > standard 1/2-inch 8-track. The dynamic range and frequency response of > these marvels of audio engineering have to be heard to be believed! This > deck doesn't need noise reduction! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Apr 5 15:54:44 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:54:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <44332641.3050608@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20060401012724.99724.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44332641.3050608@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060405095322.01b11da8@psulias.psu.edu> I just got a Yamaha KX-1200 from Gerald and noticed that it's Dolby level was +3 or +4. Seemed to take Nakamichi recorded tapes in stride and played them back nicely. Haven't had a chance to got the other way yet. Will report later. :) At 10:06 PM 4/4/2006, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >Hi Bala, > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> A very important learning opportunity for all of us here indeed Kermit. >> Points well made. I have noticed the disparity between my Aiwa Excelia >> and Nakamichi decks. So far, when I did comparisons between Nak decks, >> there wasn't a problem. But I ran into some confusion when I was looking >> at decks from these two manufacturers. On a Aiwa F990, the Dolby >> reference level is pegged at +3dB. The same for Technics decks. On a >> Nakamichi 670ZX,and 600/II, they clearely marked the Dolby level at >> 0dB. Now my question is this - while TDK tapes were being used >> extensively by Nakamichi (even Nak tapes were made by them), why didn't >> Nak choose to use their standards? > >EXACTLY! I've wondered the same thing! Why didn't Nakamichi choose to use >the TDK level standard? I have no idea but I wish they would have. My >theory: each manufacturer picked reference levels that favored their decks. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Apr 5 17:30:42 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:30:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Print-through References: Message-ID: <05f701c658c5$e687f830$6801a8c0@Rondo> Can anyone clarify the causative effects of cassette tape print-through? Most of the tapes I have recorded have a just barely audible sound of music from the other side of the tape during quiet passages between songs. It is not objectionable but I am curious. I have a DMP label of Flim and the BB's on chrome cassette with Dolby B, and there is no print-through on this tape. This tape is about 15 years old, (like most of my recorded collection). This is on my CR-7A Ron W. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Wed Apr 5 18:27:43 2006 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:27:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] archive software auto level adjuster References: <001201c65833$d33bb600$4781d255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <016a01c658cd$df000be0$dae6403e@LAPTOP> Hi All I am presently archiving about a 1000 TDK SA tapes to WAV format and dont want to have to sit adjusting the input levels for every track. Is anyone aware of any software that automatically adjusts optimum recording levels so as to avoid distortion. I would have hoped that cassettes tapes made around the same time would have the same levels but this is not apparrantly the case and the Dragon will deal with certain frequencies and dynamics of a track in a different way to the original player. I am all for having louder and quieter tracks but the volume variations are more to do with the source and how my original tape deck was set up on that day and probably other variations. Regards Adam From rob at rhoag.com Wed Apr 5 18:39:58 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:39:58 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <44334E52.5090105@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit: Very nicely explained, you're bringin back a lot of my old electronics training memory! That's what Tom and I were talking about, that it's a combination of excellence in many differnt areas that all adds up to the excellent sound quality over all that the Naks have. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:58 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Not narrow tracks, narrow head gaps, big difference. Okay, I misread your mess(age). Sorry. I gotta stop pushing the Stupid Mode Engable Button. Gap width isn't the problem. In the early days, it was discovered that narrowing the gap width improved high frequency response at any given speed. This is the origin of the mistaken belief that narrow gaps mean excellent high frequency response. As tapes formulations improved it was found that gap width affected mainly how much recording and bias current the head could handle and how much flux the head could produce, although the latter characteristic is also a function of the head's metallurgy and the winding of the coils. In short, gap width is only part of the way you achieve good high frequency response. Actually it is one of several interrelated parameters you adjust for good high frequency response. Narrow gaps per se do not guarantee good high frequency response. Listen to a Uher for a demonstration of this. I've designed tape heads twice. It can drive you barking mad. An erase head is simple. It's simply an electromagnet that emits the bias frequency, erasing the tape in the process. A record head must have a wide enough gap to get the magnetic flux to fully penetrate the tape, yet it must also have a gap wide enough to attain sharp gradients of flux. Okay, a bit more complex. A playback head is more intricate. As the width of the waveform's flux approaches the width of the gap the output of the head drops, and wil become zero when the two are equal. The trick is either to increase tape speed to spread out the flux wavefronts at any given frequency, OR to find the narrowest gap that will give an adequate (if not maximum) output voltage at the desired high frequency. (Or both.) Sound complex? It is! By the way, this shows why a three head deck outperforms a two head deck. In a two head, the gap width of the record/play head must be a compromise. In a three head recorder both the record and play heads can be optimized. The engineers at Nakamichi had to find the right combination of head construction, gap width, coil winding pattern, head lamination metallurgy and stacking pattern, head surface metallurgy, head curvature, bias current, bias frequency, recording current, head impedance compared to record and replay amp impedances, output voltage sensitivity-verus-gap width-versus high frequency limit, mounting method to ensure aziumth accuracy. Add to this the chosen characteristic EQ standard and the track widths. Then all these factors had to be balanced and optimized within the context of the then-available cassette tapes' magnetic properties, all within the constraints of the very slow 1-7/8 ips speed! They achieved better than 20 to 20,000 with very low THD and IMD, excellent signal-to-noise ratios better than -60 dB. They did this at a time when many other stereo cassette decks typically made 40 to 10,000 cps, with the best of most of the other brands doing only 30 to 15,000 cps! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Apr 5 18:43:27 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:43:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak swap RX505 for ZX7 In-Reply-To: <002301c65827$474e9920$9c19d255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: Sorry David, I personally wouldn't even trade my ZX7 for a Dragaon.. mabe for a ZX9 though, but just for the slightly better wow and flutter, that's the only advantage it has over the ZX7, and I'm not even sure I would do that unless I knew the ZX9 was in as good shape as my ZX7. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Edwards Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak swap RX505 for ZX7 Hi folks, I find I have a desire, after reading posts here over time, for a ZX7. My wife does not share this desire and has forbidden me to buy any more cassette decks. This and lack of 'readies seemed to be a barrier to my empire building plans until she said 'if one comes in another one has to go out'. This helped me form a cunning plan. So. If anyone in the UK would like to swap (I could probably find the odd £50 to smooth the transaction) a ZX7 (or 9, obviously but I won't leave myself open to disappointment by aiming so high) for a 505, please contact me and perhaps we can sort something mutually agreeable out. I have a B&W serviced 505 and an unserviced one. Naturally I was thinking of the latter but it would depend on what was offered, I suppose. I live near Brighton (and hence B&W - lucky me), so if you are south of the Arctic Circle (aka Scotland) it would be an advantage. I am now away for two days but won't hold my breath about this as I'm a natural pessimist, er...realist. Bye for now. 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Apr 5 19:25:46 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:25:46 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All I remember was it was out of my budget at the time and I had to settle for some other deck.. it may have been the Dual I mentioned earlier, hard to remember from that long ago, but when I finally did get a Nak, there was just no going back. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Hi Doane! IF...was during the late 70ties, was for sure the Tri Tracer 700/ll or the top of the line 1000/ll...try to remember well!!! My blessing, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Hi Tech" , "Talk about Nakamichi >Cassette Decks" , "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" > >Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] >Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:10:52 -0700 > >Hi, Tom: > >"The circuit designs would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and >distortion and flutter." >I agree, and your point that it was "the sum of many things" is probably >the >answer, I also never thought it was just the superior head design which >allowed the use of a different eq. sttting, but the combination of things >all togeather, as you pointed out. I guess I was miss-understanding you. > >Anway, I can only go by my experience in the past. Back in the 80's this >little known Japanese company suddenly appeared, after silentely making the >rather earth shattering early cassete decks OEM like the Advent, and >produced a line of decks that sort of blew everyone away, including me. >When >I went into my local high end audio dealer in Fort Worth, Texas, back in >the >late 70's, they demo'd my first look at these amazing decks. I think the >first one I saw was a 580, anyway, I was just bowled over, but it wasn't >until a few years later that I actually bought one. > >I didn't know about the speed, but I'm really not surprised. > >Cheers! > >Doane > >--------------------- > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:04 PM >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk >Nakamichi forum >Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > >I am certain it isn't any one thing Nakamichi designed and executed, it is >the sum of many things. I listed 4 reasons that once properly addressed, >proved that cassette was a high resolution format. The circuit designs >would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and distortion and flutter. > The "non-standard" EQ argument was a hot-button for those selling >against Nakamichis, and my stomping was shock that it would appear on this >list as an unanswered question. I forgot that there are youngsters and >others that may not be familiar with sales pitches from the old days! > Nakamichi sound is synergistic, and all models began with the belief >that cassette could be hi-fi. > > BTW Did you know that Nakamichi was the only major manufacturer to >set cassette speed accurately. The others were all 2-3% fast! > >tom brucker > >(At 08:42 AM 4/4/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: > >Tom: > >I'm sorry, I'm not following you, maybe I couldn't hear what you were >saying > >with all that stomping going on. :~) > > > >What are you saying is the reason they sound better, just the >equilization > >difference they use? Or the better quality heads they use.. and wouldn't > >narrower gaps equate to better quality, higher frequency, etc., along >with > >what ever else they have done with their circuit design to improve >things? > > > > > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:24 AM > >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk > >Nakamichi forum > >Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > > > > >MYTH! > > (sound of stomping) > > narrow gaps can reproduce higher frequencies,IF the tape >has > >small enough particles. > >Nakamichi playback 20kHz frequency equalization standard is +2dB above >the > >EXTRAPOLATED Philips compact cassette 15kHz frequency standard. No 20kHz > >standard exists! There was a lot of debate primarily from the Tandberg > >folks, that Nak had chosen incorrectly, creating this mythic argument. > >Nakamichi playback eq exactly follows the Philips standard as far as it > >goes. The tapes sound different because they are different! They are > >louder, lower distortion, flatter in the bass and mid bass, and have more > >treble than most decks can reproduce. > >I hope this MYTH will never more be mentioned on this list. ... (or maybe > >that's why we segregate ourselves:) > > > >tom brucker > > > >At 09:08 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: > >>I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap >heads > >>that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other > >>tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt > >>equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures > >>decks. > >> > >>Doane > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >Tom Brucker CSM > >Hi Tech Service > >2934 Nolensville Rd. > >Nashville, TN 37211 > >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Apr 5 19:26:33 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:26:33 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <001f01c65898$d92e47c0$0d9d8456@compaq> Message-ID: Hi, Terry: I remember playing back a lp disk recording of a quartet that was made in a poorly done sound room location that apparently had an air conditioner or some other equipment causing an extremely low frequency physical sound (down below hearing) It was visible as cone movement on my large ADS speakers and things vibrating in the room, and when I recorded it onto my ZX7 it was still there.. no loss of low frequencys at all.. must have been down in the 20hz range or below. Doane -----Original Message----- From: Terry Finn [mailto:tpfinn at btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:08 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Similarly the smaller the playback gap the less EQ you need! For those interested, and to get all the facts in focus suggest you refer to the Nak Tech Bulletin No.2, Dated May 9 1975, Subject: Playback Equalization. This covers the subject in great depth and will answer all your questions about where Nak were coming from in 75. It also compares the theoretical playback EQ curves with that of the their original 1000 playback EQ playback Amp You will all appreciate how far ahead of every body they were, and continued to be until their close!! (I may be wrong but with nak having such a small playback gap they were responsible for cassette tape manufactures pursuing smaller and smaller magnetic particles and pushing the boundaries of tape formulations!!!) Also for those discovering the delights of the 680 and anybody else who are realising how good the extreme LF on the top end NAKs can be but are possibly getting probs when transferring from vinyl, Try switching in your sub sonic filter on your Pre Amp and............. adding one to the input of your tape deck (normal reason for LF swamping is TT/arm cart resonance exciting sub frequencies then being passed to the RIAA phono EQ (Bass boost, Treble cut) which just makes things worse......... OK, I'll get back in my box now!! Regards Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doane Hoag" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > Not narrow tracks, narrow head gaps, big difference. > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:16 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > > Hi Doane, > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap > heads > > that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other > > tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt > > equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures > > decks. > > Uh, well, narrow tracks record LESS info. My guess is they chose the > narrow track to improve phase response, but this is only a pet theory. > > Think about it. > > Narrower track. Less surface area. Less information. > > Note that the very finest analog multitrack recorder ever made is Mark > Spitz's Ampex ATR-100 conversion that records 8 tracks onto 2-inch tape. > Most professional 8-track decks use 1/2-inch tape. Imagine the increase > in information Marks' modded 2-inch 8-track decks have compared to a > standard 1/2-inch 8-track. The dynamic range and frequency response of > these marvels of audio engineering have to be heard to be believed! This > deck doesn't need noise reduction! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/301 - Release Date: 04/04/06 > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gray" wrote: Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > The 78s were played using a Goldring GL78 turntable with a idler-drive. > In the shop where those tapes were made, the workers do not dis-engage > the idler at the end of the day. And so the rubber idles developed a > flat spot. Initially, I thought only some of the program material had > this problem. But the 680ZX revealed that ALL tapes had a serious > problems. The four woofers on my speakers were working serious travel > reporducing those noises! A bit off topic here, but: My 78-rpm layer is a Dual 1218 with an ADC QLM-32 boxcar. I can get a 78-rpm stylus for it but would you recommend a different boxcar for playing 78s? "Boxcar" means "cartridge" for those who haven't heard the slang term. The 680ZX has also shown me low-frequency problems in recordings I've made over the years that do not show up with my other recorders. Embarassing. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Apr 5 21:25:01 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:25:01 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Message-ID: <9586BF1F-4B4D-44F9-956A-40DACE3A6613@alumni.caltech.edu> > The reason that, in many instances, a tape that's recorded at a "high" > level on the Nak (that plays back OK on the Nak) can't be played back > even when another brand of deck is "optimized" is simple. The > reproduce > amplifier in the other brand of deck cannot handle the higher signasl > levels caused the the high recording levels. The result is clipping o > rhigh dirtortion and the cause is the same as what occurs when any > amplifier is given input levels higher than it can handle. > Thanks--I guess that's what I thought, but then I guess then (to me) it boils down to marketing. It doesn't seem like it should be that hard to design a playback amplifier that can handle the higher signal levels, does it? I mean, much easier (read cheaper) than designing and making a head that can produce them--I mean we're not talking on the forefront of power handling like a power amp. OK, there's the noise issue, but again, it seems like electronic design in terms of at least being able to handle the high signal level doesn't seem like it should be that hard or expensive. But I guess saying "our decks can even play Nak tapes" isn't particularly good marketing.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 6 00:45:01 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:45:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: <20060405184000.55187.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060405184000.55187.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4434486D.1010302@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > The Stanton 881 series is a great one to use. I have been using > the 681EEE with good results for playing 78s. But the behaviour of carts > playing 78s is so different. Like an aircraft in subsonic and supersonic > speeds. I really feel that using the arms we use for LPs is a bad idea > of 78s. Beefier arms like SME Series III are much better. And longer > arms are better. I've head short arms, aligned based on LP standards, > 'swooshing' during the last 20 seconds or so on a 78 record. OOPS. I sold my Stanton 881 recently. I can get a 681EEE though. My Dual 1218 has a very short arm. Now I understand its swooshing problems at the record's end. I need a better turntable. > */"Kermit V. Gray" /* wrote: > > Hi Bala, > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > The 78s were played using a Goldring GL78 turntable with a > idler-drive. > > In the shop where those tapes were made, the workers do not > dis-engage > > the idler at the end of the day. And so the rubber idles developed a > > flat spot. Initially, I thought only some of the program material > had > > this problem. But the 680ZX revealed that ALL tapes had a serious > > problems. The four woofers on my speakers were working serious > travel > > reporducing those noises! > > A bit off topic here, but: My 78-rpm layer is a Dual 1218 with an ADC > QLM-32 boxcar. I can get a 78-rpm stylus for it but would you recommend > a different boxcar for playing 78s? "Boxcar" means "cartridge" for > those who haven't heard the slang term. . -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 6 00:48:07 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:48:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060405095322.01b11da8@psulias.psu.edu> References: <20060401012724.99724.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44332641.3050608@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060405095322.01b11da8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <44344927.8000908@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > I just got a Yamaha KX-1200 from Gerald and noticed that it's Dolby > level was +3 or +4. Seemed to take Nakamichi recorded tapes in stride > and played them back nicely. > Haven't had a chance to got the other way yet. Will report later. :) You do know that when you take someone's cassette deck you're taking their soul? Poor Gerald's soulless now. I'll send him a Rubber Soul to help out. (Joking). I've always liked Yamaha's NS series cassette decks. Not familiar with the KX-1200. Is that the wedge-shaped deck? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 6 00:54:59 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:54:59 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <001f01c65898$d92e47c0$0d9d8456@compaq> References: <001f01c65898$d92e47c0$0d9d8456@compaq> Message-ID: <44344AC3.7090503@woods-and-waters.com> Hi(gh) Terry! Terry Finn wrote: > Similarly the smaller the playback gap the less EQ you need! Right! Also the narrower the gap the lower the head voltage, so you need higher gain in the play amps. Although this can be partly overcome by how the windings are done. > (I may be wrong but with nak having such a small playback gap they >were > responsible for cassette tape manufactures pursuing smaller and >smaller > magnetic particles and pushing the boundaries of tape formulations!!!) I'd like to think that you're right -- Nakamichi woke up the tape companies who then saw, probably to their surprise, that the medium could produce excellent sound similar to reel-to-reel decks. > OK, I'll get back in my box now!! Your tape box? Pass me some blank tapes, please. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 6 00:57:51 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:57:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44344B6F.9040608@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > I'll butt in here. Try the MM Ortofon OM78. The stylus is also > interchangeable with any of their other styli - e.g. OM20, OM30, OM40, so > you get the best of all worlds. (I like the OM40 and swap between that and > the 78 on my Lenco L78.) I'll check into that. I'm not a huge fan of the OM Series, my favorite Ortofons were the VMS and FF series. BUT your Lenco and my Dual have arms with similar mass, so the lightweight OM78 may indeed be a good choice. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > > A bit off topic here, but: My 78-rpm layer is a Dual 1218 with an ADC > QLM-32 boxcar. I can get a 78-rpm stylus for it but would you recommend > a different boxcar for playing 78s? "Boxcar" means "cartridge" for > those who haven't heard the slang term. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Apr 6 01:11:39 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:11:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Print-through Message-ID: <6FE6126F-23A0-4B10-B45D-5F36E0CB8A1F@alumni.caltech.edu> Is this print-through or cross-talk? Print-through (as I understand it) is that one layer of tape in the pack influences the next (or previous) layer, so what you'd hear is music from the same side, but displaced in time (so a few seconds further ahead or behind). Cross-talk would be picking up the channels from the opposite side and would more likely be an alignment issue. The sound in this case would be the other side backwards.-kby From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 6 01:14:13 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:14:13 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <9586BF1F-4B4D-44F9-956A-40DACE3A6613@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <9586BF1F-4B4D-44F9-956A-40DACE3A6613@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <44344F45.3080208@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Kimo, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> The reason that, in many instances, a tape that's recorded at a "high" >> level on the Nak (that plays back OK on the Nak) can't be played back >> even when another brand of deck is "optimized" is simple. The reproduce >> amplifier in the other brand of deck cannot handle the higher signasl >> levels caused the the high recording levels. The result is clipping o >> rhigh dirtortion and the cause is the same as what occurs when any >> amplifier is given input levels higher than it can handle. >> > > Thanks--I guess that's what I thought, but then I guess then (to me) it > boils down to > marketing. It doesn't seem like it should be that hard to design a > playback amplifier that > can handle the higher signal levels, does it? I mean, much easier (read > cheaper) than > designing and making a head that can produce them--I mean we're not > talking on the > forefront of power handling like a power amp. OK, there's the noise > issue, but again, > it seems like electronic design in terms of at least being able to > handle the high > signal level doesn't seem like it should be that hard or expensive. But > I guess saying > "our decks can even play Nak tapes" isn't particularly good marketing.-kby The playback overload or distortion problem is more common with cheaper decks and with most 19970s vintage decks. With cheaper decks and with most 19970s vintage decks the designer often has to push the limits of playback amp gain to get decent performance. High gain, low noise, high headroom play amps were uncommon in 1970s cassette decks (except for Nakamichi and the top models of the other manufacturers) but became more common over time as electronic components became cheaper. Nevertheless even today the problem occurs with cheapie cassette decks. It isn't hard to design high gain, low noise, high headroom play amps. Really, it isn't. Consider, though, that in years past it was expensive and many manufacturers of early stereo cassette decks didn't see the need for it. Sharp, Sanyo, Sankyo, Uher and Radio Shack/Realistic come to mind as prime examples. Today this can be done cheaply, but still some manufacturers do not think it's worth the money to do so. You shoud hear the awful Sanui D55 I have! How about a Craig cassette deck, anyone? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 6 01:17:49 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:17:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Print-through In-Reply-To: <05f701c658c5$e687f830$6801a8c0@Rondo> References: <05f701c658c5$e687f830$6801a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <4434501D.9040408@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, I think Richard Hess would be the experr on this topic. In simplest terms, the very thin tape backig allows the magnetic fields of a layer of tape below to magnetize the layer of tape above it. This is one reason studio reel-to-reel tape is usually 1.5 mils; the thicker backing minimizes print through. Richard, more info please! Ron Walton wrote: > Can anyone clarify the causative effects of cassette tape > print-through? Most of the tapes I have recorded have a just barely > audible sound of music from the other side of the tape during quiet > passages between songs. It is not objectionable but I am curious. I > have a DMP label of Flim and the BB's on chrome cassette with Dolby B, > and there is no print-through on this tape. This tape is about 15 years > old, (like most of my recorded collection). This is on my CR-7A -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 6 01:29:40 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:29:40 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <9586BF1F-4B4D-44F9-956A-40DACE3A6613@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: LOL ...love it! :~) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:25 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] snip... But I guess saying "our decks can even play Nak tapes" isn't particularly good marketing.-kby From mjrjbs at att.net Thu Apr 6 02:31:18 2006 From: mjrjbs at att.net (mjrjbs at att.net) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 00:31:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re Noisy Dragon Message-ID: <040620060031.12417.44346155000E6AF30000308121604666489C0D069D0603@att.net> Thanks everyone for the information regarding lubricating my noisy Dragon. I apologize for the next question if it has been discussed before (I'm sure it has), but I am new to the list. From reading the list over the last couple of days, the consensus seems to be that the ZX-9 was the most desireable Nak. I had thought the CR-7 was the one to get. What are the best Naks? Thanks. Merrill From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Apr 6 02:56:31 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 02:56:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Text Wrap In-Reply-To: <002e01c6577b$1b1c20e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <002e01c6577b$1b1c20e0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <5mY0RKNXBNZhwPRGT68N=eDEjHN7@4ax.com> On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:02:46 -0700, wrote: >>Doane wrote: >>I wouln't think I'm the only one that reads >>email on line at the server, but maybe so.. > >Hi Doane, >I read all of the Naktalk postings in daily lists on-line using Outlook Express. I find that each individual message wraps at a different width, so it has to do with the settings of your email reader and also of each individual writer to some degree. Bala's posts are some of the widest, but there are others that are also wide, and many that are very narrow. > >None of them go off my screen though. When I change viewing font size as Ron suggests, it does effect the wrap width. In my case I just hit control and then use the thumb wheel on my mouse to scroll thrught the different font sizes. > >Robert Kent Everyone: Just change the setting for line length in your email programs to some value that will allow most other people to read your posts. Sugestions for how to do this varied, as some programs people use may be in use because they are imple and may not provide for chaning this, but this is how I do I set it to 85 back in 1998 and I have not changed it since. http://home.tiscali.dk/mibm/EmailLineLength.jpg -Mikkel From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 6 04:08:29 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:08:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Print-through In-Reply-To: <05f701c658c5$e687f830$6801a8c0@Rondo> References: <05f701c658c5$e687f830$6801a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <4434781D.8070904@rcn.com> Ron Walton wrote: > Can anyone clarify the causative effects of cassette tape > print-through? Most of the tapes I have recorded have a just barely > audible sound of music from the other side of the tape during quiet > passages between songs. It is not objectionable but I am curious. I > have a DMP label of Flim and the BB's on chrome cassette with Dolby B, > and there is no print-through on this tape. This tape is about 15 years > old, (like most of my recorded collection). This is on my CR-7A > > Ron W. It's not necessarily print through. Could be incorrect height adjustment of the PB head. Print through sounds more like a delayed echo of the signal. -- Ron From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 05:13:54 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX7 Meters, 680ZX listening test. In-Reply-To: <4434486D.1010302@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060406031354.40214.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Opps Kermit! The 681EEE isn;t bad, but the 881 is the elder. Both are wonderful carts though. For playing 78s, a heavier turntable with a dampened platter is the best. My Thorens 124/II has a aluminium sub-platter over a cast iron platter. So it's quite inert. The longer the arm, the better. 16 inch! Also, another mistake most people make is aligning carts to the lp template. The LP template puts the cross-hair to the middle of the playing surface of a standard lp. Some templates give an additional to check for EPs. But I prefer to make an alignment to the center of a 78, which is smaller. Some say it doesnt make a difference. But since the center of the tangent (the point of least tracking error) is now shifted to the center of the 78, rather then being offset to slightly earlier, the tracking error is lesser during the last seconds of the record. Many people have taken 78s lightly because they were old and low-fi. But no. They are in a class of their own, with competely different dynamics, eq, set-up and sound. When played right, they really produce! When playing 78s, the first mistake we make is change the stylus, push the speed lever to 78 and get ready to play. The 78 is 2.5 times the speed of the LP! Some labels were cut at a faster speed. At that speed, the forces acting on the arm are in of greater magnitutde. The stylus is bigger, and the weight needed to keep it on the groove is more. But not too much to hit the bottom of the groove which may have been cut over and over by sharpened gramaphone needles. I think this is going to be excitng for a Audiotalk thread! Regards Bala 79 Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > The Stanton 881 series is a great one to use. I have been using > the 681EEE with good results for playing 78s. But the behaviour of carts > playing 78s is so different. Like an aircraft in subsonic and supersonic > speeds. I really feel that using the arms we use for LPs is a bad idea > of 78s. Beefier arms like SME Series III are much better. And longer > arms are better. I've head short arms, aligned based on LP standards, > 'swooshing' during the last 20 seconds or so on a 78 record. OOPS. I sold my Stanton 881 recently. I can get a 681EEE though. My Dual 1218 has a very short arm. Now I understand its swooshing problems at the record's end. I need a better turntable. > */"Kermit V. Gray" /* wrote: > > Hi Bala, > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > The 78s were played using a Goldring GL78 turntable with a > idler-drive. > > In the shop where those tapes were made, the workers do not > dis-engage > > the idler at the end of the day. And so the rubber idles developed a > > flat spot. Initially, I thought only some of the program material > had > > this problem. But the 680ZX revealed that ALL tapes had a serious > > problems. The four woofers on my speakers were working serious > travel > > reporducing those noises! > > A bit off topic here, but: My 78-rpm layer is a Dual 1218 with an ADC > QLM-32 boxcar. I can get a 78-rpm stylus for it but would you recommend > a different boxcar for playing 78s? "Boxcar" means "cartridge" for > those who haven't heard the slang term. . -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 05:41:39 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060406034139.51161.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom and Doane, Now I am really suprised. Some decks like Technics used a PLL system to control their capstan motors, claiming very low W/F. Hmm... Bala 79Labs Doane Hoag wrote: Hi, Tom: "The circuit designs would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and distortion and flutter." I agree, and your point that it was "the sum of many things" is probably the answer, I also never thought it was just the superior head design which allowed the use of a different eq. sttting, but the combination of things all togeather, as you pointed out. I guess I was miss-understanding you. Anway, I can only go by my experience in the past. Back in the 80's this little known Japanese company suddenly appeared, after silentely making the rather earth shattering early cassete decks OEM like the Advent, and produced a line of decks that sort of blew everyone away, including me. When I went into my local high end audio dealer in Fort Worth, Texas, back in the late 70's, they demo'd my first look at these amazing decks. I think the first one I saw was a 580, anyway, I was just bowled over, but it wasn't until a few years later that I actually bought one. I didn't know about the speed, but I'm really not surprised. Cheers! Doane --------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:04 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk Nakamichi forum Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] I am certain it isn't any one thing Nakamichi designed and executed, it is the sum of many things. I listed 4 reasons that once properly addressed, proved that cassette was a high resolution format. The circuit designs would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and distortion and flutter. The "non-standard" EQ argument was a hot-button for those selling against Nakamichis, and my stomping was shock that it would appear on this list as an unanswered question. I forgot that there are youngsters and others that may not be familiar with sales pitches from the old days! Nakamichi sound is synergistic, and all models began with the belief that cassette could be hi-fi. BTW Did you know that Nakamichi was the only major manufacturer to set cassette speed accurately. The others were all 2-3% fast! tom brucker (At 08:42 AM 4/4/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: >Tom: >I'm sorry, I'm not following you, maybe I couldn't hear what you were saying >with all that stomping going on. :~) > >What are you saying is the reason they sound better, just the equilization >difference they use? Or the better quality heads they use.. and wouldn't >narrower gaps equate to better quality, higher frequency, etc., along with >what ever else they have done with their circuit design to improve things? > > >Thanks, >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:24 AM >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk >Nakamichi forum >Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > >MYTH! > (sound of stomping) > narrow gaps can reproduce higher frequencies,IF the tape has >small enough particles. >Nakamichi playback 20kHz frequency equalization standard is +2dB above the >EXTRAPOLATED Philips compact cassette 15kHz frequency standard. No 20kHz >standard exists! There was a lot of debate primarily from the Tandberg >folks, that Nak had chosen incorrectly, creating this mythic argument. >Nakamichi playback eq exactly follows the Philips standard as far as it >goes. The tapes sound different because they are different! They are >louder, lower distortion, flatter in the bass and mid bass, and have more >treble than most decks can reproduce. >I hope this MYTH will never more be mentioned on this list. ... (or maybe >that's why we segregate ourselves:) > >tom brucker > >At 09:08 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: >>I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap heads >>that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other >>tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt >>equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures >>decks. >> >>Doane >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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It is not objectionable but I am curious. > I have a DMP label of Flim and the BB's on chrome cassette with > Dolby B, and there is no print-through on this tape. This tape is > about 15 years old, (like most of my recorded collection). This is > on my CR-7A > > Ron W. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Apr 6 09:30:10 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:30:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through Message-ID: <20060406073011.45148.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Ron I haven't suffered the problem of cassette print-through often but I've usually put it down to one of three things: storing tapes (inadvertently) near a magnetic field, winding tapes too tightly or recording my tapes too "hot". My tapes are stored carefully but I've never come up with a final answer because I'm guilty of both the 2nd and 3rd "misdemeanours". It's probably happened more with ferric tapes that I overloaded on decks with meters that under-read. I seem to remember reading years ago that metals were less prone to print-through than other tapes. Maybe, in turn, chromes are less prone to it than ferrics. Which tape formulations have given you the most problems? Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 6 13:23:33 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:23:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re Noisy Dragon In-Reply-To: <040620060031.12417.44346155000E6AF30000308121604666489C0D069D0603@att.net> References: <040620060031.12417.44346155000E6AF30000308121604666489C0D069D0603@att.net> Message-ID: <4434FA35.7000400@rcn.com> mjrjbs at att.net wrote: > Thanks everyone for the information regarding lubricating my noisy Dragon. > > I apologize for the next question if it has been discussed before (I'm sure it has), but I am new to the list. From reading the list over the last couple of days, the consensus seems to be that the ZX-9 was the most desireable Nak. I had thought the CR-7 was the one to get. What are the best Naks? Thanks. > Loaded question... Opinions vary, based on personal preference. You will hear recommendations for the Dragon, CR-7, 1000ZXL, RX505 and ZX-9, among others. Personally, I prefer the CR-7 and, accordingly, own one. Before getting it (to replace my then 582) I agonized over the Dragon and 1000ZXL. Decided to forgo the Dragon reverse and the 1000ZXL supposedly superiour playback for the CR-7 lower cost and (arguably) higher reliability. YMMV. -- Ron > Merrill From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 6 13:30:43 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:30:43 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <20060406034139.51161.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060406034139.51161.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4434FBE3.6000005@rcn.com> In theory, there is a slight advantage to using PLL. In practice, a lot more depends on quality of the design and implementation then on the technology. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Tom and Doane, > > Now I am really suprised. Some decks like Technics used a PLL > system to control their capstan motors, claiming very low W/F. Hmm... > > Bala > 79Labs > > > > */Doane Hoag /* wrote: > > Hi, Tom: > > "The circuit designs would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and > distortion and flutter." > I agree, and your point that it was "the sum of many things" is > probably the > answer, I also never thought it was just the superior head design which > allowed the use of a different eq. sttting, but the combination of > things > all togeather, as you pointed out. I guess I was miss-understanding you. > > Anway, I can only go by my experience in the past. Back in the 80's this > little known Japanese company suddenly appeared, after silentely > making the > rather earth shattering early cassete decks OEM like the Advent, and > produced a line of decks that sort of blew everyone away, including > me. When > I went into my local high end audio dealer in Fort Worth, Texas, > back in the > late 70's, they demo'd my first look at these amazing decks. I think the > first one I saw was a 580, anyway, I was just bowled over, but it wasn't > until a few years later that I actually bought one. > > I didn't know about the speed, but I'm really not surprised. > > Cheers! > > Doane > > --------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:04 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk > Nakamichi forum > Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > > I am certain it isn't any one thing Nakamichi designed and executed, > it is > the sum of many things. I listed 4 reasons that once properly addressed, > proved that cassette was a high resolution format. The circuit designs > would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and distortion and > flutter. > The "non-standard" EQ argument was a hot-button for those selling > against Nakamichis, and my stomping was shock that it would appear > on this > list as an unanswered question. I forgot that there are youngsters and > others that may not be familiar with sales pitches from the old days! > Nakamichi sound is synergistic, and all models began with the belief > that cassette could be hi-fi. > > BTW Did you know that Nakamichi was the only major manufacturer to > set cassette speed accurately. The others were all 2-3% fast! > > tom brucker > > (At 08:42 AM 4/4/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: > >Tom: > >I'm sorry, I'm not following you, maybe I couldn't hear what you were > saying > >with all that stomping going on. :~) > > > >What are you saying is the reason they sound better, just the > equilization > >difference they use? Or the better quality heads they use.. and > wouldn't > >narrower gaps equate to better quality, higher frequency, etc., > along with > >what ever else they have done with their circuit design to improve > things? > > > > > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:24 AM > >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk > >Nakamichi forum > >Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > > > > >MYTH! > > (sound of stomping) > > narrow gaps can reproduce higher frequencies,IF the tape has > >small enough particles. > >Nakamichi playback 20kHz frequency equalization standard is +2dB > above the > >EXTRAPOLATED Philips compact cassette 15kHz frequency standard. No > 20kHz > >standard exists! There was a lot of debate primarily from the Tandberg > >folks, that Nak had chosen incorrectly, creating this mythic argument. > >Nakamichi playback eq exactly follows the Philips standard as far > as it > >goes. The tapes sound different because they are different! They are > >louder, lower distortion, flatter in the bass and mid bass, and > have more > >treble than most decks can reproduce. > >I hope this MYTH will never more be mentioned on this list. ... > (or maybe > >that's why we segregate ourselves:) > > > >tom brucker > > > >At 09:08 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: > >>I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap > heads > >>that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape > then other > >>tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt > >>equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other > manufactures > >>decks. > >> > >>Doane > >> > >> > >Tom Brucker CSM > >Hi Tech Service > >2934 Nolensville Rd. > >Nashville, TN 37211 > >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Apr 6 15:16:29 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:16:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak meters In-Reply-To: <44344927.8000908@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20060401012724.99724.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44332641.3050608@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060405095322.01b11da8@psulias.psu.edu> <44344927.8000908@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060406091420.01bd9be0@psulias.psu.edu> I think Gerald may have more tape decks than he knows what to do with! :) No the KX is from 86 or 87. Was their top of the line for those years from what I can tell. 3 head, 3 motor, dual cap, hxp, dbx, Orbit (some bias adjusting thing). Nice deck. At 06:48 PM 4/5/2006, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >Hey Derrick, > >Derrick Beckner wrote: >>I just got a Yamaha KX-1200 from Gerald and noticed that it's Dolby level >>was +3 or +4. Seemed to take Nakamichi recorded tapes in stride and >>played them back nicely. >>Haven't had a chance to got the other way yet. Will report later. :) > >You do know that when you take someone's cassette deck you're taking their >soul? Poor Gerald's soulless now. I'll send him a Rubber Soul to help out. >(Joking). > >I've always liked Yamaha's NS series cassette decks. Not familiar with the >KX-1200. Is that the wedge-shaped deck? > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Apr 6 15:28:40 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:28:40 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <44344F45.3080208@woods-and-waters.com> References: <9586BF1F-4B4D-44F9-956A-40DACE3A6613@alumni.caltech.edu> <44344F45.3080208@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060406092723.01b6bdd8@psulias.psu.edu> I had a Craig "all-in-one" stereo when I was really young. Had a tuner, record player and cassette deck. Calling it a hi-fi was quite a stretch. I may still have some tapes I made on it. :) > How about a Craig cassette deck, anyone? > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From tpfinn at btinternet.com Thu Apr 6 15:34:50 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:34:50 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] References: <9586BF1F-4B4D-44F9-956A-40DACE3A6613@alumni.caltech.edu><44344F45.3080208@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060406092723.01b6bdd8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <005601c6597e$e18b6c40$c1cc8656@compaq> Thats Craig as in Cr** I presume ;-) T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Beckner" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > I had a Craig "all-in-one" stereo when I was really young. Had a tuner, > record player and cassette deck. Calling it a hi-fi was quite a > stretch. I may still have some tapes I made on it. :) > > > How about a Craig cassette deck, anyone? > > > >-- > >Kermit Gray > >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > >pro audio info! > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/302 - Release Date: 05/04/06 > > From rondo at nottltd.com Thu Apr 6 15:57:14 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:57:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through References: <20060406073011.45148.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ec01c65982$0229c430$6401a8c0@Rondo> Thanks for everyone's input. After reading what Kimo had to say, I am thinking I am hearing crosstalk, and not print-through. It is a muffled, backwards type of sound, not an echo. If it is an alignment problem I wonder why I don't hear it when I play the DMP studio label chrome tape? I don't think any of my tapes have print-through problems now, just crosstalk. This is really not a big issue for me, but was curious. Ron W. Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through Ron I haven't suffered the problem of cassette print-through often but I've usually put it down to one of three things: storing tapes (inadvertently) near a magnetic field, winding tapes too tightly or recording my tapes too "hot". My tapes are stored carefully but I've never come up with a final answer because I'm guilty of both the 2nd and 3rd "misdemeanours". It's probably happened more with ferric tapes that I overloaded on decks with meters that under-read. I seem to remember reading years ago that metals were less prone to print-through than other tapes. Maybe, in turn, chromes are less prone to it than ferrics. Which tape formulations have given you the most problems? Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Thu Apr 6 17:09:56 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:09:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak swap RX505 for ZX7 References: Message-ID: <002c01c6598c$2b48c280$7836d255@homeduron1300> Well, it was always a long shot Doane. I did offer to part exchange a 505 for an eBay ZX7, which was posted for the second time after failing to go first time round, but the chap wasn't interested. I'll make a little long-term project of it I think. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doane Hoag" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak swap RX505 for ZX7 > Sorry David, I personally wouldn't even trade my ZX7 for a Dragaon.. mabe > for a ZX9 though, but just for the slightly better wow and flutter, that's > the only advantage it has over the ZX7, and I'm not even sure I would do > that unless I knew the ZX9 was in as good shape as my ZX7. :~) > > Doane > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of David Edwards > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:35 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak swap RX505 for ZX7 > > > Hi folks, > I find I have a desire, after reading posts here over time, for a ZX7. > My wife does not share this desire and has forbidden me to buy any more > cassette decks. > This and lack of 'readies seemed to be a barrier to my empire building > plans > until she said 'if one comes in another one has to go out'. This helped me > form a cunning plan. > > So. If anyone in the UK would like to swap (I could probably find the odd > £50 to smooth the transaction) a ZX7 (or 9, obviously but I won't leave > myself open to disappointment by aiming so high) for a 505, please contact > me and perhaps we can sort something mutually agreeable out. > > I have a B&W serviced 505 and an unserviced one. Naturally I was thinking > of > the latter but it would depend on what was offered, I suppose. > I live near Brighton (and hence B&W - lucky me), so if you are south of > the > Arctic Circle (aka Scotland) it would be an advantage. > > I am now away for two days but won't hold my breath about this as I'm a > natural pessimist, er...realist. > > Bye for now. > > David > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 6 19:48:27 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:48:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <00ec01c65982$0229c430$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <20060406073011.45148.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a44e0@earthlink.net> What Nak are you using? The older units had a special adjustable tape guide that determined play head height. perhaps your guide has become misaligned. If you have a 580-680 series, someone may have turned the white head adjust screws. tom brucker At 07:57 AM 4/6/06 -0600, Ron Walton wrote: >>>> Thanks for everyone's input. After reading what Kimo had to say, I am thinking I am hearing crosstalk, and not print-through. It is a muffled, backwards type of sound, not an echo. If it is an alignment problem I wonder why I don't hear it when I play the DMP studio label chrome tape? I don't think any of my tapes have print-through problems now, just crosstalk. This is really not a big issue for me, but was curious. Ron W. Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through Ron I haven't suffered the problem of cassette print-through often but I've usually put it down to one of three things: storing tapes (inadvertently) near a magnetic field, winding tapes too tightly or recording my tapes too "hot". My tapes are stored carefully but I've never come up with a final answer because I'm guilty of both the 2nd and 3rd "misdemeanours". It's probably happened more with ferric tapes that I overloaded on decks with meters that under-read. I seem to remember reading years ago that metals were less prone to print-through than other tapes. Maybe, in turn, chromes are less prone to it than ferrics. Which tape formulations have given you the most problems? Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 6 19:48:27 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:48:27 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <20060406034139.51161.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a2600@earthlink.net> There were a few Quartz locked capstan units, but the reference oscillator was set so the speed was fast. Tandberg used a syncronous motor, so their speed was always spot on. My experience in Nashville was that studios would bring in Nak decks complaining that they were slow. I had to compromise, and set the speed 1.5% fast to make them happy. Cassette mixdowns played in car stereos were a prominent tool in the 80s for artists. No complaints from other brands. Tom brucker At 08:41 PM 4/5/06 -0700, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>> Tom and Doane, Now I am really suprised. Some decks like Technics used a PLL system to control their capstan motors, claiming very low W/F. Hmm... Bala 79Labs Doane Hoag < wrote: Hi, Tom: "The circuit designs would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and distortion and flutter." I agree, and your point that it was "the sum of many things" is probably the answer, I also never thought it was just the superior head design which allowed the use of a different eq. sttting, but the combination of things all togeather, as you pointed out. I guess I was miss-understanding you. Anway, I can only go by my experience in the past. Back in the 80's this little known Japanese company suddenly appeared, after silentely making the rather earth shattering early cassete decks OEM like the Advent, and produced a line of decks that sort of blew everyone away, including me. When I went into my local high end audio dealer in Fort Worth, Texas, back in the late 70's, they demo'd my first look at these amazing decks. I think the first one I saw was a 580, anyway, I was just bowled over, but it wasn't until a few years later that I actually bought one. I didn't know about the speed, but I'm really not surprised. Cheers! Doane --------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:04 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk Nakamichi forum Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] I am certain it isn't any one thing Nakamichi designed and executed, it is the sum of many things. I listed 4 reasons that once properly addressed, proved that cassette was a high resolution format. The circuit designs would be lost if the sound was buried in noise and distortion and flutter. The "non-standard" EQ argument was a hot-button for those selling against Nakamichis, and my stomping was shock that it would appear on this list as an unanswered question. I forgot that there are youngsters and others that may not be familiar with sales pitches from the old days! Nakamichi sound is synergistic, and all models began with the belief that cassette could be hi-fi. BTW Did you know that Nakamichi was the only major manufacturer to set cassette speed accurately. The others were all 2-3% fast! tom brucker (At 08:42 AM 4/4/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: >Tom: >I'm sorry, I'm not following you, maybe I couldn't hear what you were saying >with all that stomping going on. :~) > >What are you saying is the reason they sound better, just the equilization >difference they use? Or the better quality heads they use.. and wouldn't >narrower gaps equate to better quality, higher frequency, etc., along with >what ever else they have done with their circuit design to improve things? > > >Thanks, >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:24 AM >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; NakTalk >Nakamichi forum >Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > >MYTH! > (sound of stomping) > narrow gaps can reproduce higher frequencies,IF the tape has >small enough particles. >Nakamichi playback 20kHz frequency equalization standard is +2dB above the >EXTRAPOLATED Philips compact cassette 15kHz frequency standard. No 20kHz >standard exists! There was a lot of debate primarily from the Tandberg >folks, that Nak had chosen incorrectly, creating this mythic argument. >Nakamichi playback eq exactly follows the Philips standard as far as it >goes. The tapes sound different because they are different! They are >louder, lower distortion, flatter in the bass and mid bass, and have more >treble than most decks can reproduce. >I hope this MYTH will never more be mentioned on this list. ... (or maybe >that's why we segregate ourselves:) > >tom brucker > >At 09:08 PM 4/3/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: >>I mentioned this before, I've read that Nak uses extremely narrow gap heads >>that allow more info to be packed onto a given length of tape then other >>tape decks heads can. Along with this and thier choice of differnt >>equalization, they don't sound as good played back on other manufactures >>decks. >> >>Doane >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. <Call regular phones from your PC and save big.========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Apr 6 19:54:05 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:54:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re Noisy Dragon References: <040620060031.12417.44346155000E6AF30000308121604666489C0D069D0603@att.net> Message-ID: <000f01c659a3$1aeed980$2ed017c4@home> Dont worry, the differences are iho very small.The mood on this list seems to be changing with time! Some years ago,when I first joined, the Nakafosios were all punting for the Dragon! Thereafter CR7 was the in thing! Now we have the ZX7 or ZX9 as a thing to have--during this time the latter two were only mentioned on occassions! Interesting enough the smaller decks(600,600II etc) have received considerable mention in very recent times.(This whole business is simliar in behaviour to hyenas when they see raw meat!)I AM NOT EQUATING PEOPLE ON THIS LIST TO HYENAS but am just referring to behaviour patterns when everbody in a group of owners homes in on a particular deck and bring out their preferences-thats why they have the thing--! I think its a case of the ownership pack of a model all climbing in when one type is mentioned.Over a macro space this has the effect of one particular deck appearing to be the leader! Sometimes it is the Meters,Needles,Automatic or non automatic adjustments etc.to name a few that centres the discussions.and leads to core preferences being recorded on the list. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 2:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re Noisy Dragon > Thanks everyone for the information regarding lubricating my noisy Dragon. > > I apologize for the next question if it has been discussed before (I'm > sure it has), but I am new to the list. From reading the list over the > last couple of days, the consensus seems to be that the ZX-9 was the most > desireable Nak. I had thought the CR-7 was the one to get. What are the > best Naks? Thanks. > > Merrill > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 6 21:00:48 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:00:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak swap RX505 for ZX7 Message-ID: David: I wish you all the luck on this.. hope you didn't take my post the wrong way. Doane From rondo at nottltd.com Thu Apr 6 20:25:10 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:25:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through References: <20060406073011.45148.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a44e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <023001c659a7$70328f50$6401a8c0@Rondo> It is a CR-7A. It probably does need a tune up, but it does sound quite good the way it is. It may have to wait on a tune up until something fails. Ron W. Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through What Nak are you using? The older units had a special adjustable tape guide that determined play head height. perhaps your guide has become misaligned. If you have a 580-680 series, someone may have turned the white head adjust screws. tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Apr 7 00:30:13 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:30:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a44e0@earthlink.net> References: <20060406073011.45148.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a44e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Nakdoc- "Tom"- Great to see you made it over to Naktalk. I assume you are the same vintage Nakamichi technichian i asked to stop on over to "Naktalk" from AudioAKrma.com- at least you are both from Nashville, Tenessee :-) . I think some people here will be glad to know you were an authorized Nak service tech from its inception untill the demise of their cassette line. Theres a lot you can offer, especially to the techs here.Plus, I want to remind everyone that you are capable of working on Nakamichis and also that you have all the proper alignment tools and whatnot. When I suggested you to join Naktalk, we talked breifly about the 700 tri-tracer, and you said you would even able to relap heads should I buy a worn 700 Tri-tracer, however I do not know if you still are into servicing Naks in general. Anyway, very glad to see you here! . See you on AK ! On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:48:27 -0500, Hi Tech wrote: > What Nak are you using? The older units had a special adjustable tape > guide > that determined play head height. perhaps your guide has become > misaligned. > If you have a 580-680 series, someone may have turned the white head > adjust > screws. > > tom brucker > > At 07:57 AM 4/6/06 -0600, Ron Walton wrote: >>>>> > Thanks for everyone's input. After reading what Kimo had to say, I am > thinking I am hearing crosstalk, and not print-through. It is a muffled, > backwards type of sound, not an echo. If it is an alignment problem I > wonder why I don't hear it when I play the DMP studio label chrome > tape? I > don't think any of my tapes have print-through problems now, just > crosstalk. > This is really not a big issue for me, but was curious. > Ron W. > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > Ron > > I haven't suffered the problem of cassette > print-through often but I've usually put it down to > one of three things: storing tapes (inadvertently) > near a magnetic field, winding tapes too tightly or > recording my tapes too "hot". > > My tapes are stored carefully but I've never come up > with a final answer because I'm guilty of both the 2nd > and 3rd "misdemeanours". > > It's probably happened more with ferric tapes that I > overloaded on decks with meters that under-read. I > seem to remember reading years ago that metals were > less prone to print-through than other tapes. Maybe, > in turn, chromes are less prone to it than ferrics. > > Which tape formulations have given you the most > problems? > > Chris > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From henry at privatemail.me.uk Fri Apr 7 00:36:00 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:36:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] follow up to "ZX7 meters" Message-ID: Hi, it seems a long time since I posted the query about "ZX7 Meters" and the thread is still very active! I have tried to take in all the advice given and have had great fun experimenting with record levels, I think I have mastered it and the results I am now getting seem better. Before posting the question I believed I was only one of a few who saw how good the ZX7 & 9 were, as this series was hardly mentioned, I actually prefer the ZXxx because of its ease of use and the resulting sweet music that comes out of it! not for any technical advantages it may posses, thats mostly above me!. I also find the 68XX series great machines that give a very similar result the ZXs but they don't have the easy manual set up and alignment, and that, to me is the icing on the cake! I have a feeling that David is not going to find his swap from the RX505 to the ZXx I have 6 of these beasts (3 - 7s and 3 - 9s)and I don't think I will ever part with them!? I can give some advice though! all of my ZXs have had problems caused by those bloody capacitors! mostly in the bias and Dolby ccts (or so the records say!). So if a machine comes along that has not been B & Wd my experience tells me that you could be in for some problems if you buy it! Just a couple of things mentioned in the posts that I am having trouble with! can you help? The manual record head azimuth feature obviously aligns the head to the tape, yes? but what puts the tape out of alignment in the first place? Also , now I realise the low end frequency response of the ZXx machines is very extended, and my electrostatic speakers play up if fed with high powered low frequencies (they ark!)! plus the fact the filter circuits in my pre-amp don't work on the tape loops, should I be thinking of placing some sort of low frequency filters in the record loop? I have found something labeled "LPF"in a box of bits marked Nakamichi that go in between the "line in" sockets and the interconnects (or so a note says that was in the box!) on the tape deck, would these be some sort of filter? would low frequency filtering be audible? I said in an earlier post that I have a Fidela r to r and I would post some images of it when we finally clear the boxes stacked on top of it - well we are getting there! The only problem is that each box we remove contains some audio goodie that must be played with! so its taking longer than we thought it would! Its a bit like an audio Aladdin's cave, and each day is Christmas!. One of the first things I unpacked was what looked like a bust of Grace Jones with wires coming out of it! I think that it is a dummy head microphone by what I have read in the posts about binaural recording? Just got to find out what I should do with it! Thanks Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 7 01:06:09 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:06:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a44e0@earthlink.net> <20060406073011.45148.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a44e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060406180609.00817460@earthlink.net> I really appreciate Jerry's invitation to Nak Talk. I love the international perspective, and the professional connections. My nak tools are still in use. I hadn't thought about the guide adjusting tool in years, until the crosstalk question appeared. The tool is a must have for 250, 500, 550, and 600 repairs. I have cable extension kits for that mechanism which made board repair a breeze! We are currently working on a Dragon, ZX 9 , and a BX 300. Thanks to NakTalk we may see a TD700 car stereo (w/ manual azimuth adjust) and a pair!! of 730 receivers. I have all the service manuals, and am currently trying to sort out the US parts situation. Electronic Service Labs has purchased the Nakamichi.us domain and has parts. I am trying to discover how old the parts are and how deep the inventory goes. I know another Nak enthusiast technician from Santa Monica of all places, and I will invite him to join Nak talk as well. tom brucker At 05:30 PM 4/6/06 -0500, jerryjg wrote: > Hi Nakdoc- "Tom"- Great to see you made it over to Naktalk. I assume you >are the same vintage Nakamichi technichian i asked to stop on over to >"Naktalk" from AudioAKrma.com- at least you are both from Nashville, >Tenessee :-) . I think some people here will be glad to know you were an >authorized Nak service tech from its inception untill the demise of their >cassette line. Theres a lot you can offer, especially to the techs >here.Plus, I want to remind everyone that you are capable of working on >Nakamichis and also that you have all the proper alignment tools and >whatnot. When I suggested you to join Naktalk, we talked breifly about >the 700 tri-tracer, and you said you would even able to relap heads should >I buy a worn 700 Tri-tracer, however I do not know if you still are into >servicing Naks in general. Anyway, very glad to see you here! . See you >on AK ! On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:48:27 -0500, Hi Tech > wrote: > >> What Nak are you using? The older units had a special adjustable tape >> guide >> that determined play head height. perhaps your guide has become >> misaligned. >> If you have a 580-680 series, someone may have turned the white head >> adjust >> screws. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 07:57 AM 4/6/06 -0600, Ron Walton wrote: >>>>>> >> Thanks for everyone's input. After reading what Kimo had to say, I am >> thinking I am hearing crosstalk, and not print-through. It is a muffled, >> backwards type of sound, not an echo. If it is an alignment problem I >> wonder why I don't hear it when I play the DMP studio label chrome >> tape? I >> don't think any of my tapes have print-through problems now, just >> crosstalk. >> This is really not a big issue for me, but was curious. >> Ron W. >> Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> Ron >> >> I haven't suffered the problem of cassette >> print-through often but I've usually put it down to >> one of three things: storing tapes (inadvertently) >> near a magnetic field, winding tapes too tightly or >> recording my tapes too "hot". >> >> My tapes are stored carefully but I've never come up >> with a final answer because I'm guilty of both the 2nd >> and 3rd "misdemeanours". >> >> It's probably happened more with ferric tapes that I >> overloaded on decks with meters that under-read. I >> seem to remember reading years ago that metals were >> less prone to print-through than other tapes. Maybe, >> in turn, chromes are less prone to it than ferrics. >> >> Which tape formulations have given you the most >> problems? >> >> Chris >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/li >> stinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > > >-- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 7 01:20:21 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:20:21 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a2600@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a2600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4435A235.8080302@woods-and-waters.com> Hi(gh) Tom, I'm putting my Reslo ribbon mic on high toms these days. Sorry. Off the wall comment. Hi Tech wrote: > There were a few Quartz locked capstan units, but the reference > oscillator was set so the speed was fast. Tandberg used a syncronous motor, > so their speed was always spot on. > > My experience in Nashville was that studios would bring in Nak decks > complaining that they were slow. I had to compromise, and set the speed > 1.5% fast to make them happy. Cassette mixdowns played in car stereos were > a prominent tool in the 80s for artists. No complaints from other brands. > Have you noticed that most cassette decks actually run about 1% to 2% too fast? Nakamichi, bless them, has their speed spot on. But compared to other decks that makes it appear that Naks run "slow" when really the other decks run fast! I never understood why this occurred. Is accurate speed such a hard thing to achieve? I doubt it! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 7 09:33:34 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:33:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? Message-ID: <20060407073334.19413.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Last night I was playing some old tapes on my BX-300E that were recorded on my old Aiwa AD-WX929. I played an old Memorex ferric that I'd recorded pretty "hot" (peaking about +5). With tape type and EQ set correctly on playback, and using Dolby B, this almost sounded like a CD it was so clear. It was breathtaking to be honest. It was recorded in 1997. I played a TDK chrome that I recorded on the same deck the same year and set the EQ to 70ms (as per the manual) and Dolby B and the life went out of the music almost completely. So, my question is: should EQ really be set on playback? If it should, I don't think I'm going to be using many chromes on my Nak - ferrics come out sounding livelier, even cheap ones. This question is sure to have been asked before but as a new member I don't think I'd dig that far into the archives. I hope someone can clear this one up for me... Chris From tpfinn at btinternet.com Fri Apr 7 10:57:15 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:57:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <4435A235.8080302@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060407085716.71760.qmail@web86501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi (High..ish Kermit) Have you seen what a parradiddle and flam will do to a set of reslo's! Overheads yes, on the Toms..... at your peril! ;-) Back to the plot T. "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi(gh) Tom, I'm putting my Reslo ribbon mic on high toms these days. Sorry. Off the wall comment. Hi Tech wrote: > There were a few Quartz locked capstan units, but the reference > oscillator was set so the speed was fast. Tandberg used a syncronous motor, > so their speed was always spot on. > > My experience in Nashville was that studios would bring in Nak decks > complaining that they were slow. I had to compromise, and set the speed > 1.5% fast to make them happy. Cassette mixdowns played in car stereos were > a prominent tool in the 80s for artists. No complaints from other brands. > Have you noticed that most cassette decks actually run about 1% to 2% too fast? Nakamichi, bless them, has their speed spot on. But compared to other decks that makes it appear that Naks run "slow" when really the other decks run fast! I never understood why this occurred. Is accurate speed such a hard thing to achieve? I doubt it! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Apr 7 10:57:51 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:57:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Welcome to Tom Brucker Message-ID: Hi Tom, Big welcome to naktalk - really glad Gerald introduced you the group. Your expertise and experience will be very valued. Cheers - Marc >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 4/7/2006 1:06:09 AM >>> I really appreciate Jerry's invitation to Nak Talk. I love the international perspective, and the professional connections. My nak tools are still in use. I hadn't thought about the guide adjusting tool in years, until the crosstalk question appeared. The tool is a must have for 250, 500, 550, and 600 repairs. I have cable extension kits for that mechanism which made board repair a breeze! We are currently working on a Dragon, ZX 9 , and a BX 300. Thanks to NakTalk we may see a TD700 car stereo (w/ manual azimuth adjust) and a pair!! of 730 receivers. I have all the service manuals, and am currently trying to sort out the US parts situation. Electronic Service Labs has purchased the Nakamichi.us domain and has parts. I am trying to discover how old the parts are and how deep the inventory goes. I know another Nak enthusiast technician from Santa Monica of all places, and I will invite him to join Nak talk as well. tom brucker At 05:30 PM 4/6/06 -0500, jerryjg wrote: > Hi Nakdoc- "Tom"- Great to see you made it over to Naktalk. I assume you >are the same vintage Nakamichi technichian i asked to stop on over to >"Naktalk" from AudioAKrma.com- at least you are both from Nashville, >Tenessee :-) . I think some people here will be glad to know you were an >authorized Nak service tech from its inception untill the demise of their >cassette line. Theres a lot you can offer, especially to the techs >here.Plus, I want to remind everyone that you are capable of working on >Nakamichis and also that you have all the proper alignment tools and >whatnot. When I suggested you to join Naktalk, we talked breifly about >the 700 tri-tracer, and you said you would even able to relap heads should >I buy a worn 700 Tri-tracer, however I do not know if you still are into >servicing Naks in general. Anyway, very glad to see you here! . See you >on AK ! On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:48:27 -0500, Hi Tech > wrote: > >> What Nak are you using? The older units had a special adjustable tape >> guide >> that determined play head height. perhaps your guide has become >> misaligned. >> If you have a 580-680 series, someone may have turned the white head >> adjust >> screws. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 07:57 AM 4/6/06 -0600, Ron Walton wrote: >>>>>> >> Thanks for everyone's input. After reading what Kimo had to say, I am >> thinking I am hearing crosstalk, and not print-through. It is a muffled, >> backwards type of sound, not an echo. If it is an alignment problem I >> wonder why I don't hear it when I play the DMP studio label chrome >> tape? I >> don't think any of my tapes have print-through problems now, just >> crosstalk. >> This is really not a big issue for me, but was curious. >> Ron W. >> Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> Ron >> >> I haven't suffered the problem of cassette >> print-through often but I've usually put it down to >> one of three things: storing tapes (inadvertently) >> near a magnetic field, winding tapes too tightly or >> recording my tapes too "hot". >> >> My tapes are stored carefully but I've never come up >> with a final answer because I'm guilty of both the 2nd >> and 3rd "misdemeanours". >> >> It's probably happened more with ferric tapes that I >> overloaded on decks with meters that under-read. I >> seem to remember reading years ago that metals were >> less prone to print-through than other tapes. Maybe, >> in turn, chromes are less prone to it than ferrics. >> >> Which tape formulations have given you the most >> problems? >> >> Chris >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/li >> stinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > > >-- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Fri Apr 7 12:12:59 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:12:59 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Hyena's and the best nakamichi's.... Message-ID: <002201c65a2b$d8f0ef80$0201a8c0@lan> Walter, Sir, your inference does injure me...therefore I challenge you to wet lettuce leaves at fifty paces...at dawn tomorrow. First time my behaviour pattern has been likened to that of a HYENA .....a distinctly unpleasant animal with predatory pack habits, bad breath, and lots of fleas..... personally I always 'root' for the Lions when up against these 'things'!... obviously I haven't watched enough discovery channel... The response you get will always relate to the stimuli used!. or in ordinary man's language, ask a question a certain way.. you will get a certain response. So, if you ask a question about Dragon's.. you will get a lot of positive responses from Dragon drivers...same with CR owners, ZX 's etc, etc, etc. Those who do not champion that model, generally mind their own business. Never have I seen any 'pack' behaviour, never seen a pack of ZX mongrels maul a Dragon, or even a lowly BX100 that strayed in the way...... I prefer to think of a gentlemanly discussion over a beer.... Merrill, The best Nakamichi???.. there are three.. The one that you like the look of, the one you like the sound of, or ( especially) the one that doesn't need repairing. If you can get all three, then you are a very lucky man..enjoy it... the rest is 'opinion'. TTFN, Martin Proud supporter of the 500 swarm, 600/II appreciation society, 48X horde, 58X pack, 68X mob, RX flock, BX herd, CR gaggle , and lastly ZX-X owners club!!... sorry don't own a Dragon, a ZXL, or DR for that matter.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Apr 7 15:26:08 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:26:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Hyena's and the best nakamichi's.... References: <002201c65a2b$d8f0ef80$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <001001c65a46$e3d25220$68d117c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Martin,dont feel injured!If indeed you have been wounded wrap the lettuce leaves arround the wound--it is a fantastic natural healing aid for such a problem--ask anyone who has been in the bush!! Maybe I should have said the behaviour pattern of a sanitised Hyena! I tried to divorce the scruffiness and smellyness of that animal from the pattern it displays.One refers here only to the pattern that with more and more of them coming of in, more critical mass is achieved .That particular animal displays the 'critical mass behaviour theory' more directly than any other animal !I agree with you it is a terrible creation --thats why I categorically stated that I am not calling my fellow Nakers hyenas.My apology to anyone who might have been directly or indirectly offended by my example!Some of you might have understood what I tried to get across! If not-- just ignore my 'thesis'. Maybe I should vanish like the cowardly animal and keep quiet but I have to say that the three Naks You refer to are SPOT ON ( the 'spot' here again has nothing to do with an hyena's spots) The dawn of realisation of what I tried to say is evident in your words.Now smoke that with your lettuce leaves old chap! On a more serious note--There is a lot of wisdom in your words-- which can only come from a wise man and one who is indeed lucky to have so many different Naks!! Anyone who does not know which model he should get should weigh his requirements against those three Naks. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Short To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hyena's and the best nakamichi's.... Walter, Sir, your inference does injure me...therefore I challenge you to wet lettuce leaves at fifty paces...at dawn tomorrow. First time my behaviour pattern has been likened to that of a HYENA .....a distinctly unpleasant animal with predatory pack habits, bad breath, and lots of fleas..... personally I always 'root' for the Lions when up against these 'things'!... obviously I haven't watched enough discovery channel... The response you get will always relate to the stimuli used!. or in ordinary man's language, ask a question a certain way.. you will get a certain response. So, if you ask a question about Dragon's.. you will get a lot of positive responses from Dragon drivers...same with CR owners, ZX 's etc, etc, etc. Those who do not champion that model, generally mind their own business. Never have I seen any 'pack' behaviour, never seen a pack of ZX mongrels maul a Dragon, or even a lowly BX100 that strayed in the way...... I prefer to think of a gentlemanly discussion over a beer.... Merrill, The best Nakamichi???.. there are three.. The one that you like the look of, the one you like the sound of, or ( especially) the one that doesn't need repairing. If you can get all three, then you are a very lucky man..enjoy it... the rest is 'opinion'. TTFN, Martin Proud supporter of the 500 swarm, 600/II appreciation society, 48X horde, 58X pack, 68X mob, RX flock, BX herd, CR gaggle , and lastly ZX-X owners club!!... sorry don't own a Dragon, a ZXL, or DR for that matter.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Apr 7 15:36:03 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:36:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? In-Reply-To: <20060407073334.19413.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060407073334.19413.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060407093518.01d8f970@psulias.psu.edu> On many tapes I use Type II tape but set the eq at 120 for recording and playback. Does seem to keep the high end livlier. At 03:33 AM 4/7/2006, Chris Mann wrote: >Last night I was playing some old tapes on my BX-300E >that were recorded on my old Aiwa AD-WX929. > >I played an old Memorex ferric that I'd recorded >pretty "hot" (peaking about +5). With tape type and EQ >set correctly on playback, and using Dolby B, this >almost sounded like a CD it was so clear. It was >breathtaking to be honest. It was recorded in 1997. > >I played a TDK chrome that I recorded on the same deck >the same year and set the EQ to 70ms (as per the >manual) and Dolby B and the life went out of the music >almost completely. So, my question is: should EQ >really be set on playback? If it should, I don't think >I'm going to be using many chromes on my Nak - ferrics >come out sounding livelier, even cheap ones. > >This question is sure to have been asked before but as >a new member I don't think I'd dig that far into the >archives. I hope someone can clear this one up for >me... > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 7 16:06:43 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:06:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? In-Reply-To: <20060407073334.19413.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060407090643.00817510@earthlink.net> Chris, Eq should be set the same in record and playback. The 120us EX setting begins a high frequency rise down in the midrange. The SX, ZX 7 us rise begins at a higher point, because the tape particles are more linear with hi frequency. The dullness you report is the difference added by SX pb at EX Eq. A few things to do: Record calibration for flat response. 18k Hz. levels are balanced through bias adjustments to match 400Hz levels. Some nak decks are flat to 20KHz, but it is not good to align at these levels. The ZX 9 aligns at 15kHz. The key is to account for self erasure, by adjusting the bias so 18kHz is 0.5 tp 1 dB boosted. When the recorded tones are rewound and replayed, the 18kHz tone always drops a bit in level because hi frequencies erase themselves somewhat, and because some of the measured 18kHz is actually bias leaking into the playback circuit. This too takes some experimenting, but those of you with 3 head decks, try comparing real time adjustment to the rewind and play adjustment. Always have Dolby off during calibration. Nakamichi matched record and play Dolby chips so resoponse with Dolby on would be flat. Push the mono button to be sure you have no azimuth errors. A drop in his in mono indicates azimuth problems. You asked why tapes are different. Beyond the obvious differences in oxides is the tape skew problem. Nak uses a pad lifter to keep the tape from squirming if you will, across the play head. With properly adjusted guides, the tape will lie flat against the head. There are, however two gides in the cassette shell that can skew the tape, and this is the major contributor to errors using similar tape formulations. Remember the TDK metal shell? Skew reduction was the goal of that product. tom brucker At 08:33 AM 4/7/06 +0100, Chris Mann wrote: >Last night I was playing some old tapes on my BX-300E >that were recorded on my old Aiwa AD-WX929. > >I played an old Memorex ferric that I'd recorded >pretty "hot" (peaking about +5). With tape type and EQ >set correctly on playback, and using Dolby B, this >almost sounded like a CD it was so clear. It was >breathtaking to be honest. It was recorded in 1997. > >I played a TDK chrome that I recorded on the same deck >the same year and set the EQ to 70ms (as per the >manual) and Dolby B and the life went out of the music >almost completely. So, my question is: should EQ >really be set on playback? If it should, I don't think >I'm going to be using many chromes on my Nak - ferrics >come out sounding livelier, even cheap ones. > >This question is sure to have been asked before but as >a new member I don't think I'd dig that far into the >archives. I hope someone can clear this one up for >me... > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 7 15:49:13 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:49:13 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <4435A235.8080302@woods-and-waters.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a2600@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a2600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060407084913.0081d7f0@earthlink.net> Speed is a choice. Figure out this questionable logic, as explained by a factory engineer: Q. Why are ally your decks 3% fast? A. Because the ear is more sensitive to flats than sharps. Now, if everyone errs on the sharp side, then there is a defacto speed of 1 7/8ths + 3% and everyone runs at the same speed, except Nakamichi and Tandberg, which are perceived to be flat!!!! Speed setting requires a reference tape and a drift (W/F) meter. Some set speed with a frequency counter, but it must have a long gating period to get close. The Nak T100 analyzer display actually gives a visual of the speed variations, and you can listen to them! tom brucker At 06:20 PM 4/6/06 -0500, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>>> Hi(gh) Tom, I'm putting my Reslo ribbon mic on high toms these days. Sorry. Off the wall comment. Hi Tech wrote: > There were a few Quartz locked capstan units, but the reference > oscillator was set so the speed was fast. Tandberg used a syncronous motor, > so their speed was always spot on. > > My experience in Nashville was that studios would bring in Nak decks > complaining that they were slow. I had to compromise, and set the speed > 1.5% fast to make them happy. Cassette mixdowns played in car stereos were > a prominent tool in the 80s for artists. No complaints from other brands. > Have you noticed that most cassette decks actually run about 1% to 2% too fast? Nakamichi, bless them, has their speed spot on. But compared to other decks that makes it appear that Naks run "slow" when really the other decks run fast! I never understood why this occurred. Is accurate speed such a hard thing to achieve? I doubt it! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 7 16:09:28 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:09:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060407093518.01d8f970@psulias.psu.edu> References: <20060407073334.19413.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060407073334.19413.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060407090928.00818370@earthlink.net> Derrick, this method produces midrange errors around 2kHz. Listen to the voices! tom brucker At 09:36 AM 4/7/06 -0400, Derrick Beckner wrote: >On many tapes I use Type II tape but set the eq at 120 for recording and >playback. Does seem to keep the high end livlier. > >At 03:33 AM 4/7/2006, Chris Mann wrote: >>Last night I was playing some old tapes on my BX-300E >>that were recorded on my old Aiwa AD-WX929. >> >>I played an old Memorex ferric that I'd recorded >>pretty "hot" (peaking about +5). With tape type and EQ >>set correctly on playback, and using Dolby B, this >>almost sounded like a CD it was so clear. It was >>breathtaking to be honest. It was recorded in 1997. >> >>I played a TDK chrome that I recorded on the same deck >>the same year and set the EQ to 70ms (as per the >>manual) and Dolby B and the life went out of the music >>almost completely. So, my question is: should EQ >>really be set on playback? If it should, I don't think >>I'm going to be using many chromes on my Nak - ferrics >>come out sounding livelier, even cheap ones. >> >>This question is sure to have been asked before but as >>a new member I don't think I'd dig that far into the >>archives. I hope someone can clear this one up for >>me... >> >>Chris >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 7 15:52:05 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:52:05 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <20060407085716.71760.qmail@web86501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <4435A235.8080302@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060407085205.00814ea0@earthlink.net> Have you tried omni Nakamichi CM700s on the toms or cymbals? These mics have one of the widest dynamic ranges of any mic made. I'll tell the story someday. tom brucker At 09:57 AM 4/7/06 +0100, you wrote: >>>> Hi (High..ish Kermit) Have you seen what a parradiddle and flam will do to a set of reslo's! Overheads yes, on the Toms..... at your peril! ;-) Back to the plot T. "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi(gh) Tom, I'm putting my Reslo ribbon mic on high toms these days. Sorry. Off the wall comment. Hi Tech wrote: > There were a few Quartz locked capstan units, but the reference > oscillator was set so the speed was fast. Tandberg used a syncronous motor, > so their speed was always spot on. > > My experience in Nashville was that studios would bring in Nak decks > complaining that they were slow. I had to compromise, and set the speed > 1.5% fast to make them happy. Cassette mixdowns played in car stereos were > a prominent tool in the 80s for artists. No complaints from other brands. > Have you noticed that most cassette decks actually run about 1% to 2% too fast? Nakamichi, bless them, has their speed spot on. But compared to other decks that makes it appear that Naks run "slow" when really the other decks run fast! I never understood why this occurred. Is accurate speed such a hard thing to achieve? I doubt it! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Fri Apr 7 16:27:07 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:27:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060407090928.00818370@earthlink.net> References: <20060407073334.19413.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060407073334.19413.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060407090928.00818370@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060407102647.01aefb20@psulias.psu.edu> What kind of errors? Do they start speaking German? ;) At 10:09 AM 4/7/2006, you wrote: >Derrick, >this method produces midrange errors around 2kHz. Listen to the voices! > >tom brucker From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 7 16:45:12 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:45:12 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060407084913.0081d7f0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: That's really interesting! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 6:49 AM To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Speed is a choice. Figure out this questionable logic, as explained by a factory engineer: Q. Why are ally your decks 3% fast? A. Because the ear is more sensitive to flats than sharps. Now, if everyone errs on the sharp side, then there is a defacto speed of 1 7/8ths + 3% and everyone runs at the same speed, except Nakamichi and Tandberg, which are perceived to be flat!!!! Speed setting requires a reference tape and a drift (W/F) meter. Some set speed with a frequency counter, but it must have a long gating period to get close. The Nak T100 analyzer display actually gives a visual of the speed variations, and you can listen to them! tom brucker At 06:20 PM 4/6/06 -0500, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>>> Hi(gh) Tom, I'm putting my Reslo ribbon mic on high toms these days. Sorry. Off the wall comment. Hi Tech wrote: > There were a few Quartz locked capstan units, but the reference > oscillator was set so the speed was fast. Tandberg used a syncronous motor, > so their speed was always spot on. > > My experience in Nashville was that studios would bring in Nak decks > complaining that they were slow. I had to compromise, and set the speed > 1.5% fast to make them happy. Cassette mixdowns played in car stereos were > a prominent tool in the 80s for artists. No complaints from other brands. > Have you noticed that most cassette decks actually run about 1% to 2% too fast? Nakamichi, bless them, has their speed spot on. But compared to other decks that makes it appear that Naks run "slow" when really the other decks run fast! I never understood why this occurred. Is accurate speed such a hard thing to achieve? I doubt it! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 7 16:55:16 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:55:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Welcome to Tom Brucker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Really interesting reading your comments, Tom, glad you could join the forum and I look forward to learning more about your experiences with working on Naks. As you may have noticed, I'm a ZX7-9 fan, but I think all the Naks share the same great design principles. Cheers, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc hugo Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:58 AM To: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Welcome to Tom Brucker Hi Tom, Big welcome to naktalk - really glad Gerald introduced you the group. Your expertise and experience will be very valued. Cheers - Marc >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 4/7/2006 1:06:09 AM >>> I really appreciate Jerry's invitation to Nak Talk. I love the international perspective, and the professional connections. My nak tools are still in use. I hadn't thought about the guide adjusting tool in years, until the crosstalk question appeared. The tool is a must have for 250, 500, 550, and 600 repairs. I have cable extension kits for that mechanism which made board repair a breeze! We are currently working on a Dragon, ZX 9 , and a BX 300. Thanks to NakTalk we may see a TD700 car stereo (w/ manual azimuth adjust) and a pair!! of 730 receivers. I have all the service manuals, and am currently trying to sort out the US parts situation. Electronic Service Labs has purchased the Nakamichi.us domain and has parts. I am trying to discover how old the parts are and how deep the inventory goes. I know another Nak enthusiast technician from Santa Monica of all places, and I will invite him to join Nak talk as well. tom brucker At 05:30 PM 4/6/06 -0500, jerryjg wrote: > Hi Nakdoc- "Tom"- Great to see you made it over to Naktalk. I assume you >are the same vintage Nakamichi technichian i asked to stop on over to >"Naktalk" from AudioAKrma.com- at least you are both from Nashville, >Tenessee :-) . I think some people here will be glad to know you were an >authorized Nak service tech from its inception untill the demise of their >cassette line. Theres a lot you can offer, especially to the techs >here.Plus, I want to remind everyone that you are capable of working on >Nakamichis and also that you have all the proper alignment tools and >whatnot. When I suggested you to join Naktalk, we talked breifly about >the 700 tri-tracer, and you said you would even able to relap heads should >I buy a worn 700 Tri-tracer, however I do not know if you still are into >servicing Naks in general. Anyway, very glad to see you here! . See you >on AK ! On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:48:27 -0500, Hi Tech > wrote: > >> What Nak are you using? The older units had a special adjustable tape >> guide >> that determined play head height. perhaps your guide has become >> misaligned. >> If you have a 580-680 series, someone may have turned the white head >> adjust >> screws. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 07:57 AM 4/6/06 -0600, Ron Walton wrote: >>>>>> >> Thanks for everyone's input. After reading what Kimo had to say, I am >> thinking I am hearing crosstalk, and not print-through. It is a muffled, >> backwards type of sound, not an echo. If it is an alignment problem I >> wonder why I don't hear it when I play the DMP studio label chrome >> tape? I >> don't think any of my tapes have print-through problems now, just >> crosstalk. >> This is really not a big issue for me, but was curious. >> Ron W. >> Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> Ron >> >> I haven't suffered the problem of cassette >> print-through often but I've usually put it down to >> one of three things: storing tapes (inadvertently) >> near a magnetic field, winding tapes too tightly or >> recording my tapes too "hot". >> >> My tapes are stored carefully but I've never come up >> with a final answer because I'm guilty of both the 2nd >> and 3rd "misdemeanours". >> >> It's probably happened more with ferric tapes that I >> overloaded on decks with meters that under-read. I >> seem to remember reading years ago that metals were >> less prone to print-through than other tapes. Maybe, >> in turn, chromes are less prone to it than ferrics. >> >> Which tape formulations have given you the most >> problems? >> >> Chris >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/li >> stinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > > >-- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Apr 7 16:56:23 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:56:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? Message-ID: Thanks Tom - I'll be saving this. I have a feeling that there is a "lot of this going on". All those closet eq switchers!!! I admit I have listened to tapes recorded with NR and listened without - but it shouldn't be necessary and it also isn't accurate. Thanks for the technical info. Marc >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 4/7/2006 4:06:43 PM >>> Chris, Eq should be set the same in record and playback. The 120us EX setting begins a high frequency rise down in the midrange. The SX, ZX 7 us rise begins at a higher point, because the tape particles are more linear with hi frequency. The dullness you report is the difference added by SX pb at EX Eq. A few things to do: Record calibration for flat response. 18k Hz. levels are balanced through bias adjustments to match 400Hz levels. Some nak decks are flat to 20KHz, but it is not good to align at these levels. The ZX 9 aligns at 15kHz. The key is to account for self erasure, by adjusting the bias so 18kHz is 0.5 tp 1 dB boosted. When the recorded tones are rewound and replayed, the 18kHz tone always drops a bit in level because hi frequencies erase themselves somewhat, and because some of the measured 18kHz is actually bias leaking into the playback circuit. This too takes some experimenting, but those of you with 3 head decks, try comparing real time adjustment to the rewind and play adjustment. Always have Dolby off during calibration. Nakamichi matched record and play Dolby chips so resoponse with Dolby on would be flat. Push the mono button to be sure you have no azimuth errors. A drop in his in mono indicates azimuth problems. You asked why tapes are different. Beyond the obvious differences in oxides is the tape skew problem. Nak uses a pad lifter to keep the tape from squirming if you will, across the play head. With properly adjusted guides, the tape will lie flat against the head. There are, however two gides in the cassette shell that can skew the tape, and this is the major contributor to errors using similar tape formulations. Remember the TDK metal shell? Skew reduction was the goal of that product. tom brucker At 08:33 AM 4/7/06 +0100, Chris Mann wrote: >Last night I was playing some old tapes on my BX-300E >that were recorded on my old Aiwa AD-WX929. > >I played an old Memorex ferric that I'd recorded >pretty "hot" (peaking about +5). With tape type and EQ >set correctly on playback, and using Dolby B, this >almost sounded like a CD it was so clear. It was >breathtaking to be honest. It was recorded in 1997. > >I played a TDK chrome that I recorded on the same deck >the same year and set the EQ to 70ms (as per the >manual) and Dolby B and the life went out of the music >almost completely. So, my question is: should EQ >really be set on playback? If it should, I don't think >I'm going to be using many chromes on my Nak - ferrics >come out sounding livelier, even cheap ones. > >This question is sure to have been asked before but as >a new member I don't think I'd dig that far into the >archives. I hope someone can clear this one up for >me... > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 7 17:05:19 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:05:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Text Wrap In-Reply-To: <5mY0RKNXBNZhwPRGT68N=eDEjHN7@4ax.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Mikkel: The main problem I'm having is when I go to the forum site and try to read his posts at http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk, that's easy for anyone else to check it out, but most of the replies I've received say that other people do not see this problem, so I'm really stumpped... If it were a problem on my end, seems like everyones posts would have the same problem, but it's just happening with his. They go way off the page to the right, about six times the width of my screen, which is set to 1280x1024. I do use the ctrl+mouse wheel all the time, I'm aware of it and it's very useful, but it has no effect on his word wrap looking at his posts in Mozella Firefox or in Windows IE5, and there seem to be no controls in the browsers to limit line length that I know of. Thanks for trying to help though. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mikkel Breiler Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:57 PM To: rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Text Wrap On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:02:46 -0700, wrote: >>Doane wrote: >>I wouln't think I'm the only one that reads >>email on line at the server, but maybe so.. > >Hi Doane, >I read all of the Naktalk postings in daily lists on-line using Outlook Express. I find that each individual message wraps at a different width, so it has to do with the settings of your email reader and also of each individual writer to some degree. Bala's posts are some of the widest, but there are others that are also wide, and many that are very narrow. > >None of them go off my screen though. When I change viewing font size as Ron suggests, it does effect the wrap width. In my case I just hit control and then use the thumb wheel on my mouse to scroll thrught the different font sizes. > >Robert Kent Everyone: Just change the setting for line length in your email programs to some value that will allow most other people to read your posts. Sugestions for how to do this varied, as some programs people use may be in use because they are imple and may not provide for chaning this, but this is how I do I set it to 85 back in 1998 and I have not changed it since. http://home.tiscali.dk/mibm/EmailLineLength.jpg -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Apr 7 17:22:46 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:22:46 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060407084913.0081d7f0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a2600@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a2600@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060407084913.0081d7f0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <443683C6.3020605@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > Speed is a choice. Figure out this questionable logic, as explained by a > factory engineer: Q. Why are ally your decks 3% fast? A. Because the ear > is more sensitive to flats than sharps. Following this 'logic' to its ultimate conclusion, it should apply to all speed standards. Meaning, once a standard is set, the actual speed should always be 3% higher? > [.....] > Speed setting requires a reference tape and a drift (W/F) meter. Really? I always thought setting the speed requires a reference tape and a counter. Drift, Wow and flutter are attributes of the transport and have nothing to do with the speed setting. > Some set > speed with a frequency counter, but it must have a long gating period to > get close. I set gating to 100mS. In decks that have high wow, the reading would fluctuate, but for any Nak deck in recent memory this choice is fine. -- Ron The Nak T100 analyzer display actually gives a visual of the > speed variations, and you can listen to them! > > tom brucker > > At 06:20 PM 4/6/06 -0500, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi(gh) Tom, > I'm putting my Reslo ribbon mic on high toms these days. Sorry. Off the > wall comment. > Hi Tech wrote: > There were a few Quartz locked capstan units, but the > reference > oscillator was set so the speed was fast. Tandberg used a > syncronous motor, > so their speed was always spot on. > > My > experience in Nashville was that studios would bring in Nak decks > > complaining that they were slow. I had to compromise, and set the speed > > 1.5% fast to make them happy. Cassette mixdowns played in car stereos were >> a prominent tool in the 80s for artists. No complaints from other brands. > > > Have you noticed that most cassette decks actually run about 1% to 2% too > fast? Nakamichi, bless them, has their speed spot on. But compared to > other decks that makes it appear that Naks run "slow" when really the > other decks run fast! I never understood why this occurred. Is accurate > speed such a hard thing to achieve? I doubt it! > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Fri Apr 7 17:27:00 2006 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:27:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? References: Message-ID: <016f01c65a57$b830ac50$07d7403e@LAPTOP> When archiving I have been switching eq to normal. It does sound a bit bright so I dampen the top end using valve parametric eq. On the end result I think its better to get the clearest result possible wiithout it sounding overly sharp and limit the top end at a later stage rather than having to lift it because the chrome eq switch makes the sound too dull. I think I have cd ear and probably valve ear as well :)) If im probably breaking certain hifi rules but its easier to adjust freqency responses on equipment than on my ears. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc hugo" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? > Thanks Tom - I'll be saving this. I have a feeling that there is a "lot > of this going on". All those closet eq switchers!!! I admit I have > listened to tapes recorded with NR and listened without - but it shouldn't > be necessary and it also isn't accurate. Thanks for the technical info. > > Marc > >>>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 4/7/2006 4:06:43 PM >>> > Chris, > Eq should be set the same in record and playback. The 120us EX setting > begins a high frequency rise down in the midrange. The SX, ZX 7 us rise > begins at a higher point, because the tape particles are more linear with > hi frequency. The dullness you report is the difference added by SX pb at > EX Eq. > A few things to do: Record calibration for flat response. 18k Hz. levels > are balanced through bias adjustments to match 400Hz levels. Some nak > decks > are flat to 20KHz, but it is not good to align at these levels. The ZX 9 > aligns at 15kHz. The key is to account for self erasure, by adjusting the > bias so 18kHz is 0.5 tp 1 dB boosted. When the recorded tones are rewound > and replayed, the 18kHz tone always drops a bit in level because hi > frequencies erase themselves somewhat, and because some of the measured > 18kHz is actually bias leaking into the playback circuit. This too takes > some experimenting, but those of you with 3 head decks, try comparing real > time adjustment to the rewind and play adjustment. > Always have Dolby off during calibration. Nakamichi matched record and > play Dolby chips so resoponse with Dolby on would be flat. > Push the mono button to be sure you have no azimuth errors. A drop in > his in mono indicates azimuth problems. > You asked why tapes are different. Beyond the obvious differences in > oxides is the tape skew problem. Nak uses a pad lifter to keep the tape > from squirming if you will, across the play head. With properly adjusted > guides, the tape will lie flat against the head. There are, however two > gides in the cassette shell that can skew the tape, and this is the major > contributor to errors using similar tape formulations. Remember the TDK > metal shell? Skew reduction was the goal of that product. > > tom brucker > > At 08:33 AM 4/7/06 +0100, Chris Mann wrote: >>Last night I was playing some old tapes on my BX-300E >>that were recorded on my old Aiwa AD-WX929. >> >>I played an old Memorex ferric that I'd recorded >>pretty "hot" (peaking about +5). With tape type and EQ >>set correctly on playback, and using Dolby B, this >>almost sounded like a CD it was so clear. It was >>breathtaking to be honest. It was recorded in 1997. >> >>I played a TDK chrome that I recorded on the same deck >>the same year and set the EQ to 70ms (as per the >>manual) and Dolby B and the life went out of the music >>almost completely. So, my question is: should EQ >>really be set on playback? If it should, I don't think >>I'm going to be using many chromes on my Nak - ferrics >>come out sounding livelier, even cheap ones. >> >>This question is sure to have been asked before but as >>a new member I don't think I'd dig that far into the >>archives. I hope someone can clear this one up for >>me... >> >>Chris >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or > more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use > of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, > disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in > reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by > replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your > computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are > present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or > damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 7 17:54:15 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:54:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Text Wrap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44368B27.9070604@yahoo.ca> He's just not pressing enter at every lines then. The problem is the naktalk reader. It's not word-wrapping, as i suppose almost everyone is pressing enter after a certain length. What else, their mail program is doing it for them. I didn't press enter in this mail and I suppose that it will appear like Bala's on the Archives reader. Antoine Doane Hoag a écrit : > Thanks, Mikkel: > > The main problem I'm having is when I go to the forum site and try to read > his posts at http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk, that's easy for > anyone else to check it out, but most of the replies I've received say that > other people do not see this problem, so I'm really stumpped... If it were a > problem on my end, seems like everyones posts would have the same problem, > but it's just happening with his. They go way off the page to the right, > about six times the width of my screen, which is set to 1280x1024. I do use > the ctrl+mouse wheel all the time, I'm aware of it and it's very useful, but > it has no effect on his word wrap looking at his posts in Mozella Firefox or > in Windows IE5, and there seem to be no controls in the browsers to limit > line length that I know of. > > Thanks for trying to help though. > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mikkel Breiler > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:57 PM > To: rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Text Wrap > > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:02:46 -0700, wrote: > > >>> Doane wrote: >>> I wouln't think I'm the only one that reads >>> email on line at the server, but maybe so.. >>> >> Hi Doane, >> I read all of the Naktalk postings in daily lists on-line using Outlook >> > Express. I find that each individual message wraps at a different width, so > it has to do with the settings of your email reader and also of each > individual writer to some degree. Bala's posts are some of the widest, but > there are others that are also wide, and many that are very narrow. > >> None of them go off my screen though. When I change viewing font size as >> > Ron suggests, it does effect the wrap width. In my case I just hit control > and then use the thumb wheel on my mouse to scroll thrught the different > font sizes. > >> Robert Kent >> > > Everyone: Just change the setting for line length in your email programs to > some > value that will allow most other people to read your posts. > Sugestions for how to do this varied, as some programs people use may be in > use > because they are imple and may not provide for chaning this, but this is how > I do I > set it to 85 back in 1998 and I have not changed it since. > > http://home.tiscali.dk/mibm/EmailLineLength.jpg > > -Mikkel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 7 18:51:03 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:51:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Text Wrap In-Reply-To: <44368B27.9070604@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Thanks, Antoine, but that wasn't the problem. I just checked your post on line at the Nak Forum and it does wrap correctly, so does the version on line at my server and so does the downloaded version, so it must be something else. Incidentally, I never use a carriage return (enter) when coming to the end of a line, the computer does it automatically.. I got out of that habbit years ago, after changing over from a real type writter, where I actually did have to use the carriage return.. I remember that it took me awhile to get used to not having to do it, but that was 20 years ago. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:54 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Text Wrap He's just not pressing enter at every lines then. The problem is the naktalk reader. It's not word-wrapping, as i suppose almost everyone is pressing enter after a certain length. What else, their mail program is doing it for them. I didn't press enter in this mail and I suppose that it will appear like Bala's on the Archives reader. Antoine Doane Hoag a écrit : > Thanks, Mikkel: > > The main problem I'm having is when I go to the forum site and try to read > his posts at http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk, that's easy for > anyone else to check it out, but most of the replies I've received say that > other people do not see this problem, so I'm really stumpped... If it were a > problem on my end, seems like everyones posts would have the same problem, > but it's just happening with his. They go way off the page to the right, > about six times the width of my screen, which is set to 1280x1024. I do use > the ctrl+mouse wheel all the time, I'm aware of it and it's very useful, but > it has no effect on his word wrap looking at his posts in Mozella Firefox or > in Windows IE5, and there seem to be no controls in the browsers to limit > line length that I know of. > > Thanks for trying to help though. > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mikkel Breiler > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:57 PM > To: rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Text Wrap > > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:02:46 -0700, wrote: > > >>> Doane wrote: >>> I wouln't think I'm the only one that reads >>> email on line at the server, but maybe so.. >>> >> Hi Doane, >> I read all of the Naktalk postings in daily lists on-line using Outlook >> > Express. I find that each individual message wraps at a different width, so > it has to do with the settings of your email reader and also of each > individual writer to some degree. Bala's posts are some of the widest, but > there are others that are also wide, and many that are very narrow. > >> None of them go off my screen though. When I change viewing font size as >> > Ron suggests, it does effect the wrap width. In my case I just hit control > and then use the thumb wheel on my mouse to scroll thrught the different > font sizes. > >> Robert Kent >> > > Everyone: Just change the setting for line length in your email programs to > some > value that will allow most other people to read your posts. > Sugestions for how to do this varied, as some programs people use may be in > use > because they are imple and may not provide for chaning this, but this is how > I do I > set it to 85 back in 1998 and I have not changed it since. > > http://home.tiscali.dk/mibm/EmailLineLength.jpg > > -Mikkel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 7 18:58:48 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:58:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? In-Reply-To: <016f01c65a57$b830ac50$07d7403e@LAPTOP> Message-ID: I always stick to the correct setting for the tape type when I record.. you can always adjust trebble to what you want on playback, that seems safer. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Adam Falcrest Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:27 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? When archiving I have been switching eq to normal. It does sound a bit bright so I dampen the top end using valve parametric eq. On the end result I think its better to get the clearest result possible wiithout it sounding overly sharp and limit the top end at a later stage rather than having to lift it because the chrome eq switch makes the sound too dull. I think I have cd ear and probably valve ear as well :)) If im probably breaking certain hifi rules but its easier to adjust freqency responses on equipment than on my ears. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc hugo" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? > Thanks Tom - I'll be saving this. I have a feeling that there is a "lot > of this going on". All those closet eq switchers!!! I admit I have > listened to tapes recorded with NR and listened without - but it shouldn't > be necessary and it also isn't accurate. Thanks for the technical info. > > Marc > >>>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 4/7/2006 4:06:43 PM >>> > Chris, > Eq should be set the same in record and playback. The 120us EX setting > begins a high frequency rise down in the midrange. The SX, ZX 7 us rise > begins at a higher point, because the tape particles are more linear with > hi frequency. The dullness you report is the difference added by SX pb at > EX Eq. > A few things to do: Record calibration for flat response. 18k Hz. levels > are balanced through bias adjustments to match 400Hz levels. Some nak > decks > are flat to 20KHz, but it is not good to align at these levels. The ZX 9 > aligns at 15kHz. The key is to account for self erasure, by adjusting the > bias so 18kHz is 0.5 tp 1 dB boosted. When the recorded tones are rewound > and replayed, the 18kHz tone always drops a bit in level because hi > frequencies erase themselves somewhat, and because some of the measured > 18kHz is actually bias leaking into the playback circuit. This too takes > some experimenting, but those of you with 3 head decks, try comparing real > time adjustment to the rewind and play adjustment. > Always have Dolby off during calibration. Nakamichi matched record and > play Dolby chips so resoponse with Dolby on would be flat. > Push the mono button to be sure you have no azimuth errors. A drop in > his in mono indicates azimuth problems. > You asked why tapes are different. Beyond the obvious differences in > oxides is the tape skew problem. Nak uses a pad lifter to keep the tape > from squirming if you will, across the play head. With properly adjusted > guides, the tape will lie flat against the head. There are, however two > gides in the cassette shell that can skew the tape, and this is the major > contributor to errors using similar tape formulations. Remember the TDK > metal shell? Skew reduction was the goal of that product. > > tom brucker > > At 08:33 AM 4/7/06 +0100, Chris Mann wrote: >>Last night I was playing some old tapes on my BX-300E >>that were recorded on my old Aiwa AD-WX929. >> >>I played an old Memorex ferric that I'd recorded >>pretty "hot" (peaking about +5). With tape type and EQ >>set correctly on playback, and using Dolby B, this >>almost sounded like a CD it was so clear. It was >>breathtaking to be honest. It was recorded in 1997. >> >>I played a TDK chrome that I recorded on the same deck >>the same year and set the EQ to 70ms (as per the >>manual) and Dolby B and the life went out of the music >>almost completely. So, my question is: should EQ >>really be set on playback? If it should, I don't think >>I'm going to be using many chromes on my Nak - ferrics >>come out sounding livelier, even cheap ones. >> >>This question is sure to have been asked before but as >>a new member I don't think I'd dig that far into the >>archives. I hope someone can clear this one up for >>me... >> >>Chris >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 7 20:46:38 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:46:38 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060407085205.00814ea0@earthlink.net> References: <4435A235.8080302@woods-and-waters.com> <3.0.3.32.20060407085205.00814ea0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4436B38E.60705@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > Have you tried omni Nakamichi CM700s on the toms or cymbals? These mics > have one of the widest dynamic ranges of any mic made. I'll tell the story > someday. Yes, and I have the CM1000 with omni and cardioid capsules and the CM100 with cardiod capsule. I find the Nak mics detailed but dry sounding and a bit too brittle for some purposes. I was sort of joking on using a Reslo ribbon on toms. My usual tom mic is the highly-underrated Shure SM59, although I'll pick whatever is most ideal for the specific project. Would love to hear the CM700 story. I have a classical selection recorded by the Boston Audio Society a few years ago. One of the tracks was recorded using an ORTF setup using two Nak CM700s. The CM700 rendered a rich detailed recording with outstanding dynamic range, and it seemed to rein in the excessive reverberance of the venue. > tom brucker > > At 09:57 AM 4/7/06 +0100, you wrote: > > Hi (High..ish Kermit) > > Have you seen what a parradiddle and flam will do to a set of reslo's! Ouch! > Overheads yes, on the Toms..... at your peril! ;-) Hey, I like living dangerously. Think of the powerful drum hit that a Reslo could record when whammed by a drummer hopped up on music. Seriously, the Reslo RBT and RBL is wonderful on overheads. But it seems to not be able to handle the SPLs of close-miked toms. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 7 20:51:12 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:51:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060407102647.01aefb20@psulias.psu.edu> References: <20060407073334.19413.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060407073334.19413.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060407090928.00818370@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060407102647.01aefb20@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <4436B4A0.3000303@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > What kind of errors? > Do they start speaking German? ;) > > At 10:09 AM 4/7/2006, you wrote: > >> Derrick, >> this method produces midrange errors around 2kHz. Listen to the voices! Nein. For one thing, the Dolby circuits mistrack during decode [playback] because (if I read correctly) you recorded above the Dolby level. The choic eof a recording level is always a trade off. Recording at the highest possible levels improves the signal-to noise-ratio but can cause Dolby mistracking, increased saturation (altering frequency response) and increased distortion. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 7 21:01:30 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:01:30 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060407084913.0081d7f0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a2600@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a2600@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060407084913.0081d7f0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4436B70A.4060500@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > Speed is a choice. Figure out this questionable logic, as explained by a > factory engineer: Q. Why are ally your decks 3% fast? A. Because the ear > is more sensitive to flats than sharps. > Now, if everyone errs on the sharp side, then there is a defacto speed > of 1 7/8ths + 3% and everyone runs at the same speed, except Nakamichi and > Tandberg, which are perceived to be flat!!!! I love it -- everybody decides to violate the standard speed because of some perceived "advantage", creating a new standard! Hysterical! I tend to be fanatic about standards. It says 1-7.8 ips, it should be 1-7/8 ips, right? Wrong, apparently. Ah well. > Speed setting requires a reference tape and a drift (W/F) meter. Some set > speed with a frequency counter, but it must have a long gating period to > get close. The Nak T100 analyzer display actually gives a visual of the > speed variations, and you can listen to them! Wish I hadn't sold my T100 several years ago. The best tool in the world for setting speed and EQ/bias calibration. Great to have someone on the list with a T100! I quit Nakamichi service long ago when Nakamichi quit giving training to service techs in shops and stores -- and that was when their decks had radically increased in complexity. Thereafter, I serviced only Ampex and Scully until I quit servicing altogether in 1990. My hat is off to anyone who has stayed with servicing Nakamichi! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 7 21:49:38 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:49:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060406180609.00817460@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a44e0@earthlink.net> <20060406073011.45148.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a44e0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060406180609.00817460@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4436C252.5020407@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > I really appreciate Jerry's invitation to Nak Talk. I love the > international perspective, and the professional connections. > > My nak tools are still in use. I hadn't thought about the guide adjusting > tool in years, until the crosstalk question appeared. The tool is a must > have for 250, 500, 550, and 600 repairs. I have cable extension kits for > that mechanism which made board repair a breeze! We are currently working > on a Dragon, ZX 9 , and a BX 300. Thanks to NakTalk we may see a TD700 car > stereo (w/ manual azimuth adjust) and a pair!! of 730 receivers. I have all > the service manuals, and am currently trying to sort out the US parts > situation. Electronic Service Labs has purchased the Nakamichi.us domain > and has parts. I am trying to discover how old the parts are and how deep > the inventory goes. > > I know another Nak enthusiast technician from Santa Monica of all > places, and I will invite him to join Nak talk as well. Hey, does this mean we have another source (or two) for Nakamichi deck service in the USA? Bluntly speaking, are you offically hanging out your shingle for doing Nakamichi deck service? Especially for the older models: 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700 series, and 1000 series? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Fri Apr 7 22:51:35 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 21:51:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak swap RX505 for ZX7 References: Message-ID: <000901c65a85$0ff51cf0$f002d255@homeduron1300> Not at all, Doane, nice to chat with you. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doane Hoag" To: "NakTalk Nakamichi forum" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak swap RX505 for ZX7 > David: I wish you all the luck on this.. hope you didn't take my post the > wrong way. > > Doane > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Apr 7 23:22:04 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:22:04 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Message-ID: <6E39CD99-0638-4AE3-99DD-B022F521B926@alumni.caltech.edu> Hey, I actually got a T100 on the 'bay a while ago, even though I never was in the service business. Just like I always tended to get the service manuals. 'Course, I also bought a Tentelo meter a while ago, too, and it's come in handy (but not for the Naks, of course).-kby From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 8 01:09:41 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:09:41 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <6E39CD99-0638-4AE3-99DD-B022F521B926@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060407180941.00818100@earthlink.net> The T100 can be used direct in with a mic, and you can fool around with basic room tuning. It is also fabulous for speed investigations, even if you don't have a reference cassette. Record the test tone, and then play it back, watching the lower bar and listening to the audio monitor. Tap the deck's case and look at the result. Try the test at the beginning of the tape and at the end. Try is before and after you clean the rollers. try it with a crappy cassette. Happy testing! tom brucker At 02:22 PM 4/7/06 -0700, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >Hey, I actually got a T100 on the 'bay a while ago, even though I >never was in the service business. Just >like I always tended to get the service manuals. > >'Course, I also bought a Tentelo meter a while ago, too, and it's >come in handy (but not for the Naks, of course).-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 8 01:04:48 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:04:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <4436C252.5020407@woods-and-waters.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060406180609.00817460@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a44e0@earthlink.net> <20060406073011.45148.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a44e0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060406180609.00817460@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060407180448.00822320@earthlink.net> Kermit, Yes, by all means. I'm only 53, so I have to earn a living for a few more years. I honestly thought, as of 2 weeks ago, that Nakamichi cassettes were no longer interesting to anyone....I am happy to report how wrong I was. I would probably get lost in a 700ZXL, but I do have the manuals. Those old ones I repaired and aligned for years. Our store delivered each deck biased for tape that we sold, and with a full spec sheet, so I had a lot of practice. My parts supply is limited to what Electronic service labs can supply We just got a quote on a Dragon play head..$550 ouch! The 1000 mechanism is always fun. My manuals are filled with notes my brain has long since deleted. tom brucker At 02:49 PM 4/7/06 -0500, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >Hi Tom, > > >Hey, does this mean we have another source (or two) for Nakamichi deck >service in the USA? Bluntly speaking, are you offically hanging out your >shingle for doing Nakamichi deck service? Especially for the older >models: 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700 series, and 1000 series? > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 8 01:13:11 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:13:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <4436C252.5020407@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hay! ...for ANY models, Kermit! :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:50 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > I really appreciate Jerry's invitation to Nak Talk. I love the > international perspective, and the professional connections. > > My nak tools are still in use. I hadn't thought about the guide adjusting > tool in years, until the crosstalk question appeared. The tool is a must > have for 250, 500, 550, and 600 repairs. I have cable extension kits for > that mechanism which made board repair a breeze! We are currently working > on a Dragon, ZX 9 , and a BX 300. Thanks to NakTalk we may see a TD700 car > stereo (w/ manual azimuth adjust) and a pair!! of 730 receivers. I have all > the service manuals, and am currently trying to sort out the US parts > situation. Electronic Service Labs has purchased the Nakamichi.us domain > and has parts. I am trying to discover how old the parts are and how deep > the inventory goes. > > I know another Nak enthusiast technician from Santa Monica of all > places, and I will invite him to join Nak talk as well. Hey, does this mean we have another source (or two) for Nakamichi deck service in the USA? Bluntly speaking, are you offically hanging out your shingle for doing Nakamichi deck service? Especially for the older models: 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700 series, and 1000 series? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Taking a close look at the heads, it seemed to me that it was possible that the play head was orientated so badly that the "pad lifter" was hitting the tape in reverse play mode, and causing the tape to wrinkle. Looking at the tape, it was clear it started to wrinkle on one side, then got worse and worse. Thinking about this has got me wondering about the pad lifter in general (not just Dragon). 1) How much good does it do? and 2) Can it harm tape if head(s) are out of alighnment, azimuth, etc? I can see that with the Dragon it's especially difficult to get this correct. For bidirectional play, doesn't the head have to move slightly? ("up" and "down" as Nakamichi calls it in the service manual, though "forward" and "back" would be the more intuitive terms) Interestingly, Nak doesn't call attention to this little fact in brochures and owners manual (it's even hard to find out about it in the service manual), only talking about how the head has to be turned for correct azimuth. But clearly the head has to be moved with at least two degrees of freedom (up/down and azimuth). And because of the up/down movement, the pad lifter has to be very close to the tape to be sure it lifts the pressure pad in both tape travel directions. And because of these two factors (head movement and narrow pad-lifter opening), it seems quite likely to me that unless the head moving system is working correctly within narrow tolerances it's quite possible the Dragon pad lifter can become a tape eater. With my newly acquired RX-505, it seems (and looks) to me like the pad lifter opening can be and is slightly wider, and since the head doesn't normally move, there's no dynamic problem. But if the head is sufficiently out of static adjustment, it still seems possible to me that tape could get damaged. My RX-505 probably does need adjustment, because high frequency response varies quite a bit depending on cassette side. I have examined fresh tape immediately after making one pass through the RX-505 (on the B side), and it could be my imagination, but it looks to me like something could be hitting one edge of the tape from time to time, though not badly enough to be audibly apparent after one pass. But isn't *any* tape damage a matter of concern? If you look at a typical cassette tape today, you will see that the "pad" is cut very close to the tape. It's a wonder that pad lifters can work at all. And what happens with one of these closely cut pads if the pad gets lifted on one side, but not lifted on the other? Couldn't the pad lifter actually cause more harm than good with respect to wow and flutter if something like this happens? (Are these narrow cut pads actually intended to defeat pad lifters?) Are there risks of pad lifters damaging tape? Has anyone considered removing them? How much improvement does a properly working pad lifter actually make in wow and flutter? (Doesn't most of the improvement in better models come from double capstan transport, NOT pad lifter alone?) If there's any risk of tape damage, I'd be interested in having the pad lifter removed when my deck is rebuilt. Even if my RX-505 heads are aligned to perfection at first, they won't stay that way forever. Charles Peterson San Antonio, TX From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 8 02:24:22 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:24:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443702B6.5090300@woods-and-waters.com> Yo, Doane, You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the factory worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the convenience of its wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth un-alignment feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned with this deck -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have when you play a tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety is the spice of life, yes? In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you can have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) 2551AV. Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its built in oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode amp guys use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig cassettes dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. I can sense your growing excitement here. Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) Doane Hoag wrote: > Hay! ...for ANY models, Kermit! :~) > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:50 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > > > Hi Tom, > > Hi Tech wrote: > >>I really appreciate Jerry's invitation to Nak Talk. I love the >>international perspective, and the professional connections. >> >>My nak tools are still in use. I hadn't thought about the guide adjusting >>tool in years, until the crosstalk question appeared. The tool is a must >>have for 250, 500, 550, and 600 repairs. I have cable extension kits for >>that mechanism which made board repair a breeze! We are currently working >>on a Dragon, ZX 9 , and a BX 300. Thanks to NakTalk we may see a TD700 > > car > >>stereo (w/ manual azimuth adjust) and a pair!! of 730 receivers. I have > > all > >>the service manuals, and am currently trying to sort out the US parts >>situation. Electronic Service Labs has purchased the Nakamichi.us domain >>and has parts. I am trying to discover how old the parts are and how deep >>the inventory goes. >> >> I know another Nak enthusiast technician from Santa Monica of all >>places, and I will invite him to join Nak talk as well. > > > Hey, does this mean we have another source (or two) for Nakamichi deck > service in the USA? Bluntly speaking, are you offically hanging out your > shingle for doing Nakamichi deck service? Especially for the older > models: 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700 series, and 1000 series? > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 8 02:30:27 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:30:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060407180448.00822320@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060406180609.00817460@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a44e0@earthlink.net> <20060406073011.45148.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060406124827.007a44e0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060406180609.00817460@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060407180448.00822320@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44370423.2050701@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Tom, Great to have another tech available! We need all we can get. No, man, Nakamichi cassettes are of vital interest to a whole lot of us! We have to keep these wonderful machines running by whatever means possible! Far out, man, I am pumped! I'm going to twist your arm and ask that you share your scribbled service notes with us from time to time! That would be interesting reading for all of us! What blank tapes did your store ship decks with? I always sent decks out biased and EQ'ed for TDK given that it was basically almost the same as the Nakamichi cassette blanks. Hey, I just noticed your address. Are you just up the street from JM Technical Arts? When I did Revox and Studer service they were my parts source. Those guys know everything about Studer-Revox! Nashville, hey? Did you know Mel Crosby of Ampro-Scully by any chance? Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > Yes, by all means. I'm only 53, so I have to earn a living for a few more > years. I honestly thought, as of 2 weeks ago, that Nakamichi cassettes > were no longer interesting to anyone....I am happy to report how wrong I > was. I would probably get lost in a 700ZXL, but I do have the manuals. > Those old ones I repaired and aligned for years. Our store delivered each > deck biased for tape that we sold, and with a full spec sheet, so I had a > lot of practice. My parts supply is limited to what Electronic service > labs can supply We just got a quote on a Dragon play head..$550 ouch! > The 1000 mechanism is always fun. My manuals are filled with notes my > brain has long since deleted. > > tom brucker > > At 02:49 PM 4/7/06 -0500, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >>Hi Tom, >> >> >>Hey, does this mean we have another source (or two) for Nakamichi deck >>service in the USA? Bluntly speaking, are you offically hanging out your >>shingle for doing Nakamichi deck service? Especially for the older >>models: 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700 series, and 1000 series? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 8 03:06:38 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:06:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <443702B6.5090300@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through Yo, Doane, You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the factory worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the convenience of its wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth un-alignment feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned with this deck -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have when you play a tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety is the spice of life, yes? In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you can have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) 2551AV. Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its built in oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode amp guys use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig cassettes dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. I can sense your growing excitement here. Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) Doane Hoag wrote: > Hay! ...for ANY models, Kermit! :~) > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:50 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > > > Hi Tom, > > Hi Tech wrote: > >>I really appreciate Jerry's invitation to Nak Talk. I love the >>international perspective, and the professional connections. >> >>My nak tools are still in use. I hadn't thought about the guide adjusting >>tool in years, until the crosstalk question appeared. The tool is a must >>have for 250, 500, 550, and 600 repairs. I have cable extension kits for >>that mechanism which made board repair a breeze! We are currently working >>on a Dragon, ZX 9 , and a BX 300. Thanks to NakTalk we may see a TD700 > > car > >>stereo (w/ manual azimuth adjust) and a pair!! of 730 receivers. I have > > all > >>the service manuals, and am currently trying to sort out the US parts >>situation. Electronic Service Labs has purchased the Nakamichi.us domain >>and has parts. I am trying to discover how old the parts are and how deep >>the inventory goes. >> >> I know another Nak enthusiast technician from Santa Monica of all >>places, and I will invite him to join Nak talk as well. > > > Hey, does this mean we have another source (or two) for Nakamichi deck > service in the USA? Bluntly speaking, are you offically hanging out your > shingle for doing Nakamichi deck service? Especially for the older > models: 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700 series, and 1000 series? > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 8 03:20:33 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:20:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44370FE1.5000306@woods-and-waters.com> I'm laughing so hard I can barely type! You mean if I told you my Wollensak beats a Dragon, you wouldn't believe me! You know, it amazes me how many eBay sellers will describe some non-Nakamichi cassette deck, often a midrange model with few features, (or worse, something like an Akai, low-end Technics, Pioneer or Sankyo) as "I don't have a tape to test it out but it worked perfectly the last time I used it. This deck is awesome...it beats the Dragon." Uh-huh. Sure it does. Doane Hoag wrote: > Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... > Doane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > > > Yo, Doane, > > You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, > 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) > > Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the > burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy > Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light > show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision > calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the factory > worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the convenience of its > wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth un-alignment > feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned with this deck > -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have when you play a > tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety is the spice of > life, yes? > > In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you can > have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) 2551AV. > Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its built in > oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode amp guys > use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig cassettes > dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. > > I can sense your growing excitement here. > > Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 8 03:35:10 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:35:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <44370FE1.5000306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: :~) -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 6:21 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through I'm laughing so hard I can barely type! You mean if I told you my Wollensak beats a Dragon, you wouldn't believe me! You know, it amazes me how many eBay sellers will describe some non-Nakamichi cassette deck, often a midrange model with few features, (or worse, something like an Akai, low-end Technics, Pioneer or Sankyo) as "I don't have a tape to test it out but it worked perfectly the last time I used it. This deck is awesome...it beats the Dragon." Uh-huh. Sure it does. Doane Hoag wrote: > Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... > Doane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > > > Yo, Doane, > > You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, > 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) > > Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the > burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy > Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light > show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision > calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the factory > worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the convenience of its > wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth un-alignment > feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned with this deck > -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have when you play a > tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety is the spice of > life, yes? > > In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you can > have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) 2551AV. > Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its built in > oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode amp guys > use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig cassettes > dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. > > I can sense your growing excitement here. > > Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 8 04:23:38 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060407180448.00822320@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060408022338.16204.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, A big welcome to you over to Naktalk. I think its a very welcome way to make a living because there is much work to be done. As everywhere else, here too has its share of spin-doctors, snake oil vendors, gurus and the lot. Someone who has the depth and experience is definitely very valuable to the community. Regards Bala Hi Tech wrote: Kermit, Yes, by all means. I'm only 53, so I have to earn a living for a few more years. I honestly thought, as of 2 weeks ago, that Nakamichi cassettes were no longer interesting to anyone....I am happy to report how wrong I was. I would probably get lost in a 700ZXL, but I do have the manuals. Those old ones I repaired and aligned for years. Our store delivered each deck biased for tape that we sold, and with a full spec sheet, so I had a lot of practice. My parts supply is limited to what Electronic service labs can supply We just got a quote on a Dragon play head..$550 ouch! The 1000 mechanism is always fun. My manuals are filled with notes my brain has long since deleted. tom brucker At 02:49 PM 4/7/06 -0500, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >Hi Tom, > > >Hey, does this mean we have another source (or two) for Nakamichi deck >service in the USA? Bluntly speaking, are you offically hanging out your >shingle for doing Nakamichi deck service? Especially for the older >models: 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700 series, and 1000 series? > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Apr 8 07:39:28 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 05:39:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? Message-ID: No...they speak "Esperanto"...HE...HE...HE...! Seriously..., the voice seems me that goes more "Treble inclinate"...less "Natural"...corect me if I'm wrong? Sometimes I listen "Dullest" cassettes Type 2 making such change from 70 to 120...so "Treble'...is more "Palpable" or higher! ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:27:07 -0400 > >What kind of errors? >Do they start speaking German? ;) > >At 10:09 AM 4/7/2006, you wrote: >>Derrick, >>this method produces midrange errors around 2kHz. Listen to the voices! >> >>tom brucker > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Apr 8 07:43:21 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 05:43:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Welcome to Tom Brucker Message-ID: Hi to all Nak lovers & or Foks! I love what I get for free as happen to my gifted Dragon! Period!!!!. Hope tha most of you can get this solution or choice! Cheera, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Welcome to Tom Brucker >Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:55:16 -0700 > > >Really interesting reading your comments, Tom, glad you could join the >forum >and I look forward to learning more about your experiences with working on >Naks. > >As you may have noticed, I'm a ZX7-9 fan, but I think all the Naks share >the >same great design principles. > >Cheers, > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Marc hugo >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:58 AM >To: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Welcome to Tom Brucker > > >Hi Tom, > >Big welcome to naktalk - really glad Gerald introduced you the group. Your >expertise and experience will be very valued. > >Cheers - Marc > > >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 4/7/2006 1:06:09 AM >>> >I really appreciate Jerry's invitation to Nak Talk. I love the >international perspective, and the professional connections. > >My nak tools are still in use. I hadn't thought about the guide adjusting >tool in years, until the crosstalk question appeared. The tool is a must >have for 250, 500, 550, and 600 repairs. I have cable extension kits for >that mechanism which made board repair a breeze! We are currently working >on a Dragon, ZX 9 , and a BX 300. Thanks to NakTalk we may see a TD700 car >stereo (w/ manual azimuth adjust) and a pair!! of 730 receivers. I have all >the service manuals, and am currently trying to sort out the US parts >situation. Electronic Service Labs has purchased the Nakamichi.us domain >and has parts. I am trying to discover how old the parts are and how deep >the inventory goes. > > I know another Nak enthusiast technician from Santa Monica of all >places, and I will invite him to join Nak talk as well. > >tom brucker > > >At 05:30 PM 4/6/06 -0500, jerryjg wrote: > > Hi Nakdoc- "Tom"- Great to see you made it over to Naktalk. I assume you > >are the same vintage Nakamichi technichian i asked to stop on over to > >"Naktalk" from AudioAKrma.com- at least you are both from Nashville, > >Tenessee :-) . I think some people here will be glad to know you were an > >authorized Nak service tech from its inception untill the demise of their > >cassette line. Theres a lot you can offer, especially to the techs > >here.Plus, I want to remind everyone that you are capable of working on > >Nakamichis and also that you have all the proper alignment tools and > >whatnot. When I suggested you to join Naktalk, we talked breifly about > >the 700 tri-tracer, and you said you would even able to relap heads >should > >I buy a worn 700 Tri-tracer, however I do not know if you still are into > >servicing Naks in general. Anyway, very glad to see you here! . See you > >on AK ! On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:48:27 -0500, Hi Tech > > wrote: > > > >> What Nak are you using? The older units had a special adjustable tape > >> guide > >> that determined play head height. perhaps your guide has become > >> misaligned. > >> If you have a 580-680 series, someone may have turned the white head > >> adjust > >> screws. > >> > >> tom brucker > >> > >> At 07:57 AM 4/6/06 -0600, Ron Walton wrote: > >>>>>> > >> Thanks for everyone's input. After reading what Kimo had to say, I am > >> thinking I am hearing crosstalk, and not print-through. It is a >muffled, > >> backwards type of sound, not an echo. If it is an alignment problem I > >> wonder why I don't hear it when I play the DMP studio label chrome > >> tape? I > >> don't think any of my tapes have print-through problems now, just > >> crosstalk. > >> This is really not a big issue for me, but was curious. > >> Ron W. > >> Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > >> Ron > >> > >> I haven't suffered the problem of cassette > >> print-through often but I've usually put it down to > >> one of three things: storing tapes (inadvertently) > >> near a magnetic field, winding tapes too tightly or > >> recording my tapes too "hot". > >> > >> My tapes are stored carefully but I've never come up > >> with a final answer because I'm guilty of both the 2nd > >> and 3rd "misdemeanours". > >> > >> It's probably happened more with ferric tapes that I > >> overloaded on decks with meters that under-read. I > >> seem to remember reading years ago that metals were > >> less prone to print-through than other tapes. Maybe, > >> in turn, chromes are less prone to it than ferrics. > >> > >> Which tape formulations have given you the most > >> problems? > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > >> http://www.naks.com/register > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > >> mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> >http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > >> stinfo/naktalk > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> <<<< > >> > >> > >> Tom Brucker CSM > >> Hi Tech Service > >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > >> Nashville, TN 37211 > >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. 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But any Nakamichi including Dragon - to function to its best , it needs the pad lifter. Your Dragon needs servicing and I have not seen Pad lifter being a problem even in Dragon. Also pad lifter would reduce head wear to insignificant amount compared to playing without it. Infact Dragon will mistrack without it. Kannan Charles Peterson wrote: Recently I've worked with a couple of Naks with pad lifters, a Dragon and an RX-505, and I've been thinking about the pad lifters. The Dragon was malfunctioning badly. It appeared that the NAAC was not working at all, there was no response above 2Khz in either channel and in either direction. After reversing direction at the end of side A, it would start to wrinkle tape pretty soon and shut down. I cleaned heads, capstans, pinch rollers with Intraclean H (hexane) several times, and it didn't help. Taking a close look at the heads, it seemed to me that it was possible that the play head was orientated so badly that the "pad lifter" was hitting the tape in reverse play mode, and causing the tape to wrinkle. Looking at the tape, it was clear it started to wrinkle on one side, then got worse and worse. Thinking about this has got me wondering about the pad lifter in general (not just Dragon). 1) How much good does it do? and 2) Can it harm tape if head(s) are out of alighnment, azimuth, etc? I can see that with the Dragon it's especially difficult to get this correct. For bidirectional play, doesn't the head have to move slightly? ("up" and "down" as Nakamichi calls it in the service manual, though "forward" and "back" would be the more intuitive terms) Interestingly, Nak doesn't call attention to this little fact in brochures and owners manual (it's even hard to find out about it in the service manual), only talking about how the head has to be turned for correct azimuth. But clearly the head has to be moved with at least two degrees of freedom (up/down and azimuth). And because of the up/down movement, the pad lifter has to be very close to the tape to be sure it lifts the pressure pad in both tape travel directions. And because of these two factors (head movement and narrow pad-lifter opening), it seems quite likely to me that unless the head moving system is working correctly within narrow tolerances it's quite possible the Dragon pad lifter can become a tape eater. With my newly acquired RX-505, it seems (and looks) to me like the pad lifter opening can be and is slightly wider, and since the head doesn't normally move, there's no dynamic problem. But if the head is sufficiently out of static adjustment, it still seems possible to me that tape could get damaged. My RX-505 probably does need adjustment, because high frequency response varies quite a bit depending on cassette side. I have examined fresh tape immediately after making one pass through the RX-505 (on the B side), and it could be my imagination, but it looks to me like something could be hitting one edge of the tape from time to time, though not badly enough to be audibly apparent after one pass. But isn't *any* tape damage a matter of concern? If you look at a typical cassette tape today, you will see that the "pad" is cut very close to the tape. It's a wonder that pad lifters can work at all. And what happens with one of these closely cut pads if the pad gets lifted on one side, but not lifted on the other? Couldn't the pad lifter actually cause more harm than good with respect to wow and flutter if something like this happens? (Are these narrow cut pads actually intended to defeat pad lifters?) Are there risks of pad lifters damaging tape? Has anyone considered removing them? How much improvement does a properly working pad lifter actually make in wow and flutter? (Doesn't most of the improvement in better models come from double capstan transport, NOT pad lifter alone?) If there's any risk of tape damage, I'd be interested in having the pad lifter removed when my deck is rebuilt. Even if my RX-505 heads are aligned to perfection at first, they won't stay that way forever. Charles Peterson San Antonio, TX ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 8 11:19:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 02:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060408091947.41694.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kermits decks seems to be more exciting then a Dragon or ZXL can be.. {shudder}!! Bala 79Labs Doane Hoag wrote: :~) -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 6:21 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through I'm laughing so hard I can barely type! You mean if I told you my Wollensak beats a Dragon, you wouldn't believe me! You know, it amazes me how many eBay sellers will describe some non-Nakamichi cassette deck, often a midrange model with few features, (or worse, something like an Akai, low-end Technics, Pioneer or Sankyo) as "I don't have a tape to test it out but it worked perfectly the last time I used it. This deck is awesome...it beats the Dragon." Uh-huh. Sure it does. Doane Hoag wrote: > Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... > Doane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > > > Yo, Doane, > > You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, > 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) > > Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the > burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy > Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light > show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision > calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the factory > worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the convenience of its > wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth un-alignment > feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned with this deck > -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have when you play a > tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety is the spice of > life, yes? > > In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you can > have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) 2551AV. > Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its built in > oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode amp guys > use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig cassettes > dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. > > I can sense your growing excitement here. > > Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Apr 8 13:01:11 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:01:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? Message-ID: Hi Doane! NOT always...my ARC SP-9 Mk/2 control unit...DON'T have any treble/bass knobs...so MUST be set correctly at the deck! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? >Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:58:48 -0700 > > >I always stick to the correct setting for the tape type when I record.. you >can always adjust trebble to what you want on playback, that seems safer. > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Adam Falcrest >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:27 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? > > >When archiving I have been switching eq to normal. It does sound a bit >bright so I dampen the top end using valve parametric eq. On the end result >I think its better to get the clearest result possible wiithout it sounding >overly sharp and limit the top end at a later stage rather than having to >lift it because the chrome eq switch makes the sound too dull. I think I >have cd ear and probably valve ear as well :)) > >If im probably breaking certain hifi rules but its easier to adjust >freqency >responses on equipment than on my ears. > >Adam >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marc hugo" >To: ; >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:56 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? > > > > Thanks Tom - I'll be saving this. I have a feeling that there is a "lot > > of this going on". All those closet eq switchers!!! I admit I have > > listened to tapes recorded with NR and listened without - but it >shouldn't > > be necessary and it also isn't accurate. Thanks for the technical info. > > > > Marc > > > >>>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 4/7/2006 4:06:43 PM >>> > > Chris, > > Eq should be set the same in record and playback. The 120us EX setting > > begins a high frequency rise down in the midrange. The SX, ZX 7 us rise > > begins at a higher point, because the tape particles are more linear >with > > hi frequency. The dullness you report is the difference added by SX pb >at > > EX Eq. > > A few things to do: Record calibration for flat response. 18k Hz. >levels > > are balanced through bias adjustments to match 400Hz levels. Some nak > > decks > > are flat to 20KHz, but it is not good to align at these levels. The ZX 9 > > aligns at 15kHz. The key is to account for self erasure, by adjusting >the > > bias so 18kHz is 0.5 tp 1 dB boosted. When the recorded tones are >rewound > > and replayed, the 18kHz tone always drops a bit in level because hi > > frequencies erase themselves somewhat, and because some of the measured > > 18kHz is actually bias leaking into the playback circuit. This too >takes > > some experimenting, but those of you with 3 head decks, try comparing >real > > time adjustment to the rewind and play adjustment. > > Always have Dolby off during calibration. Nakamichi matched record >and > > play Dolby chips so resoponse with Dolby on would be flat. > > Push the mono button to be sure you have no azimuth errors. A drop in > > his in mono indicates azimuth problems. > > You asked why tapes are different. Beyond the obvious differences in > > oxides is the tape skew problem. Nak uses a pad lifter to keep the tape > > from squirming if you will, across the play head. With properly adjusted > > guides, the tape will lie flat against the head. There are, however two > > gides in the cassette shell that can skew the tape, and this is the >major > > contributor to errors using similar tape formulations. Remember the TDK > > metal shell? Skew reduction was the goal of that product. > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 08:33 AM 4/7/06 +0100, Chris Mann wrote: > >>Last night I was playing some old tapes on my BX-300E > >>that were recorded on my old Aiwa AD-WX929. > >> > >>I played an old Memorex ferric that I'd recorded > >>pretty "hot" (peaking about +5). With tape type and EQ > >>set correctly on playback, and using Dolby B, this > >>almost sounded like a CD it was so clear. It was > >>breathtaking to be honest. It was recorded in 1997. > >> > >>I played a TDK chrome that I recorded on the same deck > >>the same year and set the EQ to 70ms (as per the > >>manual) and Dolby B and the life went out of the music > >>almost completely. So, my question is: should EQ > >>really be set on playback? If it should, I don't think > >>I'm going to be using many chromes on my Nak - ferrics > >>come out sounding livelier, even cheap ones. > >> > >>This question is sure to have been asked before but as > >>a new member I don't think I'd dig that far into the > >>archives. I hope someone can clear this one up for > >>me... > >> > >>Chris > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be >subject > > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or > > more > > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the >use > > of the > > named recipient/s. > > > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, > > disclose > > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in > > reliance on it. > > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by > > replying to > > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your > > computer. > > > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are > > present > > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss >or > > damage arising > > from the use of this email or attachments. > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 8 15:07:32 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:07:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges In-Reply-To: <4436FFB8.6030403@darwin.sfbr.org> References: <200604041735.k34HZcOq005523@zxe.naks.com> <4436FFB8.6030403@darwin.sfbr.org> Message-ID: <4437B594.5050201@rcn.com> The function of the pads is to insure adequate pressure between tape and head. It's not like Nakamichi simply removed the pads -- they replaced them with a far better (albeit, more costly) method: the dual capstan. Because dual capstans offer a much better controlled (meaning, constant) tape to head pressure, they could design for worst case lower pressure; this results in far lower head wear. However, like anything else in a delicate, precise machinery, the deck has to be correctly aligned. Even a Dragon. Yours apparently isn't. Have the head block properly aligned (height, tilt, azimuth -- the works) and see if the problem doesn't go away. -- Ron Charles Peterson wrote: > Recently I've worked with a couple of Naks with pad lifters, a Dragon > and an RX-505, and I've been thinking about the pad lifters. > > The Dragon was malfunctioning badly. It appeared that the NAAC was not > working at all, there was no response above 2Khz in either channel and > in either direction. After reversing direction at the end of side A, it > would start to wrinkle tape pretty soon and shut down. I cleaned heads, > capstans, pinch rollers with Intraclean H (hexane) several times, and it > didn't help. > > Taking a close look at the heads, it seemed to me that it was possible > that the play head was orientated so badly that the "pad lifter" was > hitting the tape in reverse play mode, and causing the tape to wrinkle. > Looking at the tape, it was clear it started to wrinkle on one side, > then got worse and worse. > > Thinking about this has got me wondering about the pad lifter in general > (not just Dragon). 1) How much good does it do? and 2) Can it harm > tape if head(s) are out of alighnment, azimuth, etc? > > I can see that with the Dragon it's especially difficult to get this > correct. For bidirectional play, doesn't the head have to move > slightly? ("up" and "down" as Nakamichi calls it in the service manual, > though "forward" and "back" would be the more intuitive terms) > Interestingly, Nak doesn't call attention to this little fact in > brochures and owners manual (it's even hard to find out about it in the > service manual), only talking about how the head has to be turned for > correct azimuth. But clearly the head has to be moved with at least two > degrees of freedom (up/down and azimuth). And because of the up/down > movement, the pad lifter has to be very close to the tape to be sure it > lifts the pressure pad in both tape travel directions. And because of > these two factors (head movement and narrow pad-lifter opening), it > seems quite likely to me that unless the head moving system is working > correctly within narrow tolerances it's quite possible the Dragon pad > lifter can become a tape eater. > > With my newly acquired RX-505, it seems (and looks) to me like the pad > lifter opening can be and is slightly wider, and since the head doesn't > normally move, there's no dynamic problem. But if the head is > sufficiently out of static adjustment, it still seems possible to me > that tape could get damaged. My RX-505 probably does need adjustment, > because high frequency response varies quite a bit depending on cassette > side. I have examined fresh tape immediately after making one pass > through the RX-505 (on the B side), and it could be my imagination, but > it looks to me like something could be hitting one edge of the tape from > time to time, though not badly enough to be audibly apparent after one > pass. But isn't *any* tape damage a matter of concern? > > If you look at a typical cassette tape today, you will see that the > "pad" is cut very close to the tape. It's a wonder that pad lifters can > work at all. And what happens with one of these closely cut pads if the > pad gets lifted on one side, but not lifted on the other? Couldn't the > pad lifter actually cause more harm than good with respect to wow and > flutter if something like this happens? (Are these narrow cut pads > actually intended to defeat pad lifters?) > > Are there risks of pad lifters damaging tape? Has anyone considered > removing them? How much improvement does a properly working pad lifter > actually make in wow and flutter? (Doesn't most of the improvement in > better models come from double capstan transport, NOT pad lifter alone?) > If there's any risk of tape damage, I'd be interested in having the pad > lifter removed when my deck is rebuilt. Even if my RX-505 heads are > aligned to perfection at first, they won't stay that way forever. > > Charles Peterson > San Antonio, TX From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 8 15:11:47 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:11:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <44370FE1.5000306@woods-and-waters.com> References: <44370FE1.5000306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4437B693.2070002@rcn.com> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > I'm laughing so hard I can barely type! You mean if I told you my > Wollensak beats a Dragon, you wouldn't believe me! You know, it amazes > me how many eBay sellers will describe some non-Nakamichi cassette deck, > often a midrange model with few features, (or worse, something like an > Akai, low-end Technics, Pioneer or Sankyo) as "I don't have a tape to > test it out but it worked perfectly the last time I used it. This deck > is awesome...it beats the Dragon." You neglected to mention the "I plugged it in and the light came on, so I am sure it's working perfectly" crowd. -- Ron Uh-huh. Sure it does. > > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... >> Doane >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM >> To: rob at rhoag.com >> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> >> >> Yo, Doane, >> >> You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, >> 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) >> >> Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the >> burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy >> Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light >> show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision >> calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the >> factory worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the >> convenience of its wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth >> un-alignment feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned >> with this deck -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have >> when you play a tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety >> is the spice of life, yes? >> >> In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you >> can have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) >> 2551AV. Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its >> built in oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode >> amp guys use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig >> cassettes dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. >> >> I can sense your growing excitement here. >> >> Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) >> > > From gfuentes at mminternet.com Sat Apr 8 17:14:42 2006 From: gfuentes at mminternet.com (Greg Fuentes) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:14:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? Message-ID: <4437D362.5020005@mminternet.com> I found the print-through discussion interesting in light of the fact that I had recently experienced what I believe is some print-through while listening to a DG tape on my CR-7. My question is this. The phenomenom occurred just prior to the beginning of a musical passage. I know, on occasion, when listening to an LP, I hear the same thing--a few introductory notes very faintly played, then the actual notes as the composer intended. So, I wasn't sure if what I heard on the CR-7 was print-through or its recreation of whatever occurs on certain LPs also. Any insight as to the reasons behind what I heard and why I hear the faint precursors of passages on LPs? Thanks. GF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Apr 8 18:07:08 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:07:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVCs Message-ID: <4437DFAC.4050700@xs4all.nl> Haven't seen many people talking about the better JVC decks from the DD series. I always liked the DD-9 and it's later successors, never owned one though but JVC always seemed to be doing well for inventing new stuff. I own a DD-V9 and it's quite a nice deck, with calibration but I think the sound lacks warmth. Anyone who once owned one of these DD decks and compared it to their Naks? Wouter I From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 8 19:11:05 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:11:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's sort of what I was saying, I might as well not have a treble and base control as I never use mine anyway. I always set my Nak controls correctly while recording. In other words, I set the recording equilization and tape type, bias, etc. to the standard settings that Nakamichi set it up for, then in playback (which is identical to the original on my ZX7) I can always adjust treble if I want to (but I can't remember ever changing them from flat). So, if your decks can do a flawless recording at their designed for settings, you don't need to use non standard settings during record or playback and risk messing up the recording. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 4:01 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? Hi Doane! NOT always...my ARC SP-9 Mk/2 control unit...DON'T have any treble/bass knobs...so MUST be set correctly at the deck! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? >Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:58:48 -0700 > > >I always stick to the correct setting for the tape type when I record.. you >can always adjust trebble to what you want on playback, that seems safer. > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Adam Falcrest >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:27 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? > > >When archiving I have been switching eq to normal. It does sound a bit >bright so I dampen the top end using valve parametric eq. On the end result >I think its better to get the clearest result possible wiithout it sounding >overly sharp and limit the top end at a later stage rather than having to >lift it because the chrome eq switch makes the sound too dull. I think I >have cd ear and probably valve ear as well :)) > >If im probably breaking certain hifi rules but its easier to adjust >freqency >responses on equipment than on my ears. > >Adam >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marc hugo" >To: ; >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:56 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? > > > > Thanks Tom - I'll be saving this. I have a feeling that there is a "lot > > of this going on". All those closet eq switchers!!! I admit I have > > listened to tapes recorded with NR and listened without - but it >shouldn't > > be necessary and it also isn't accurate. Thanks for the technical info. > > > > Marc > > > >>>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 4/7/2006 4:06:43 PM >>> > > Chris, > > Eq should be set the same in record and playback. The 120us EX setting > > begins a high frequency rise down in the midrange. The SX, ZX 7 us rise > > begins at a higher point, because the tape particles are more linear >with > > hi frequency. The dullness you report is the difference added by SX pb >at > > EX Eq. > > A few things to do: Record calibration for flat response. 18k Hz. >levels > > are balanced through bias adjustments to match 400Hz levels. Some nak > > decks > > are flat to 20KHz, but it is not good to align at these levels. The ZX 9 > > aligns at 15kHz. The key is to account for self erasure, by adjusting >the > > bias so 18kHz is 0.5 tp 1 dB boosted. When the recorded tones are >rewound > > and replayed, the 18kHz tone always drops a bit in level because hi > > frequencies erase themselves somewhat, and because some of the measured > > 18kHz is actually bias leaking into the playback circuit. This too >takes > > some experimenting, but those of you with 3 head decks, try comparing >real > > time adjustment to the rewind and play adjustment. > > Always have Dolby off during calibration. Nakamichi matched record >and > > play Dolby chips so resoponse with Dolby on would be flat. > > Push the mono button to be sure you have no azimuth errors. A drop in > > his in mono indicates azimuth problems. > > You asked why tapes are different. Beyond the obvious differences in > > oxides is the tape skew problem. Nak uses a pad lifter to keep the tape > > from squirming if you will, across the play head. With properly adjusted > > guides, the tape will lie flat against the head. There are, however two > > gides in the cassette shell that can skew the tape, and this is the >major > > contributor to errors using similar tape formulations. Remember the TDK > > metal shell? Skew reduction was the goal of that product. > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 08:33 AM 4/7/06 +0100, Chris Mann wrote: > >>Last night I was playing some old tapes on my BX-300E > >>that were recorded on my old Aiwa AD-WX929. > >> > >>I played an old Memorex ferric that I'd recorded > >>pretty "hot" (peaking about +5). With tape type and EQ > >>set correctly on playback, and using Dolby B, this > >>almost sounded like a CD it was so clear. It was > >>breathtaking to be honest. It was recorded in 1997. > >> > >>I played a TDK chrome that I recorded on the same deck > >>the same year and set the EQ to 70ms (as per the > >>manual) and Dolby B and the life went out of the music > >>almost completely. So, my question is: should EQ > >>really be set on playback? If it should, I don't think > >>I'm going to be using many chromes on my Nak - ferrics > >>come out sounding livelier, even cheap ones. > >> > >>This question is sure to have been asked before but as > >>a new member I don't think I'd dig that far into the > >>archives. I hope someone can clear this one up for > >>me... > >> > >>Chris > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be >subject > > to legal privilege. 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 8 19:27:50 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:27:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <4437B693.2070002@rcn.com> Message-ID: What always gets me is the, "we have no way of testing it, but we plugged it in and the lights come on .." and maybe they will add, "and the reel hubs turn when we push the rewind button.." etc. How hard is it to try every function out and play back a tape and record a tape to see if everything does work? Of course, they will often add, "I don't have the manual or know anything about how to use this so I couldn't test it.." OK, I can see how, if you didn't have the manual, you might not know how to set up the user adjustable bias, levels, azimuth on Naks that have that, but recording and playback doesn't take a rocket scientist degree. The other one that kills me is when some seller makes a statement about a 1980s or earlier Nak like this, "I am the original owner" ...OK, that's possible, doesn't really mean anything though, does it? and then maybe they will add, "I've only used this deck a little bit, it probably only has about 200 hours of use.." Sure, right, so it was just bought as a shelf ornament, and has been sitting there for over 20 years, Right!... I would guess that 95% of the old decks being sold have some major problem that will need to be fixed to get them back up to spec. Doane. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:12 AM To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through Kermit V. Gray wrote: > I'm laughing so hard I can barely type! You mean if I told you my > Wollensak beats a Dragon, you wouldn't believe me! You know, it amazes > me how many eBay sellers will describe some non-Nakamichi cassette deck, > often a midrange model with few features, (or worse, something like an > Akai, low-end Technics, Pioneer or Sankyo) as "I don't have a tape to > test it out but it worked perfectly the last time I used it. This deck > is awesome...it beats the Dragon." You neglected to mention the "I plugged it in and the light came on, so I am sure it's working perfectly" crowd. -- Ron Uh-huh. Sure it does. > > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... >> Doane >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM >> To: rob at rhoag.com >> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> >> >> Yo, Doane, >> >> You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, >> 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) >> >> Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the >> burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy >> Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light >> show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision >> calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the >> factory worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the >> convenience of its wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth >> un-alignment feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned >> with this deck -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have >> when you play a tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety >> is the spice of life, yes? >> >> In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you >> can have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) >> 2551AV. Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its >> built in oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode >> amp guys use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig >> cassettes dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. >> >> I can sense your growing excitement here. >> >> Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 8 20:53:29 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:53:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through Message-ID: Yes, I would never deprive someone of such quality! Doane From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 8 22:44:50 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:44:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? In-Reply-To: <4437D362.5020005@mminternet.com> References: <4437D362.5020005@mminternet.com> Message-ID: <443820C2.3000909@rcn.com> When the recording engineer tries to milk the last second out of an LP, the land (area between grooves) gets very small. Instantaneous loud passages can cause it to all but disappear. The stylus then senses not only it's current groove, but also the preceding one (causing echo) or the next one (causing pre-echo). There is a very simple cure for this phenomenon: either toss the LP or learn to live with it (personally, I have always preferred the former). IME, this is a rare problem, though. To differentiate between an LP echo and a cassette echo, time the delay between repercussions. With an LP, it's constant, at just under 0.5Sec. With a cassette it varies, depending on where in the cassette it occurs. -- Ron Greg Fuentes wrote: > I found the print-through discussion interesting in light of the fact > that I had recently experienced what I believe is some print-through > while listening to a DG tape on my CR-7. > > My question is this. The phenomenom occurred just prior to the > beginning of a musical passage. I know, on occasion, when listening to > an LP, I hear the same thing--a few introductory notes very faintly > played, then the actual notes as the composer intended. > > So, I wasn't sure if what I heard on the CR-7 was print-through or its > recreation of whatever occurs on certain LPs also. > > Any insight as to the reasons behind what I heard and why I hear the > faint precursors of passages on LPs? > > Thanks. > > GF From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 8 22:49:29 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:49:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVCs In-Reply-To: <4437DFAC.4050700@xs4all.nl> References: <4437DFAC.4050700@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <443821D9.8050700@rcn.com> Wouter Heijke wrote: > Haven't seen many people talking about the better JVC decks from the DD > series. That's because the moderator insists on staying on topic at all times. JVC is always OT :-). -- Ron > I always liked the DD-9 and it's later successors, never owned one > though but JVC always seemed to be doing well for inventing new stuff. > > I own a DD-V9 and it's quite a nice deck, with calibration but I think > the sound lacks warmth. > Anyone who once owned one of these DD decks and compared it to their Naks? > > Wouter > I > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Sat Apr 8 22:54:42 2006 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:54:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? References: Message-ID: <003e01c65b4e$aa9fe4a0$d898403e@LAPTOP> I started my recording on TDK SA tapes when I was aged 17 I didn't have a Nak then. Any corrective changes are important in order to improve the sound to old tapes played on inferior machines. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doane Hoag" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? > That's sort of what I was saying, I might as well not have a treble and > base > control as I never use mine anyway. I always set my Nak controls correctly > while recording. In other words, I set the recording equilization and tape > type, bias, etc. to the standard settings that Nakamichi set it up for, > then > in playback (which is identical to the original on my ZX7) I can always > adjust treble if I want to (but I can't remember ever changing them from > flat). > > So, if your decks can do a flawless recording at their designed for > settings, you don't need to use non standard settings during record or > playback and risk messing up the recording. > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 4:01 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? > > > Hi Doane! > > NOT always...my ARC SP-9 Mk/2 control unit...DON'T have any treble/bass > knobs...so MUST be set correctly at the deck! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: "Doane Hoag" >>Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? >>Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:58:48 -0700 >> >> >>I always stick to the correct setting for the tape type when I record.. >>you >>can always adjust trebble to what you want on playback, that seems safer. >> >>Doane >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Adam Falcrest >>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:27 AM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? >> >> >>When archiving I have been switching eq to normal. It does sound a bit >>bright so I dampen the top end using valve parametric eq. On the end >>result >>I think its better to get the clearest result possible wiithout it >>sounding >>overly sharp and limit the top end at a later stage rather than having to >>lift it because the chrome eq switch makes the sound too dull. I think I >>have cd ear and probably valve ear as well :)) >> >>If im probably breaking certain hifi rules but its easier to adjust >>freqency >>responses on equipment than on my ears. >> >>Adam >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Marc hugo" >>To: ; >>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:56 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? >> >> >> > Thanks Tom - I'll be saving this. I have a feeling that there is a >> > "lot >> > of this going on". All those closet eq switchers!!! I admit I have >> > listened to tapes recorded with NR and listened without - but it >>shouldn't >> > be necessary and it also isn't accurate. Thanks for the technical >> > info. >> > >> > Marc >> > >> >>>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 4/7/2006 4:06:43 PM >>> >> > Chris, >> > Eq should be set the same in record and playback. The 120us EX setting >> > begins a high frequency rise down in the midrange. The SX, ZX 7 us rise >> > begins at a higher point, because the tape particles are more linear >>with >> > hi frequency. The dullness you report is the difference added by SX pb >>at >> > EX Eq. >> > A few things to do: Record calibration for flat response. 18k Hz. >>levels >> > are balanced through bias adjustments to match 400Hz levels. Some nak >> > decks >> > are flat to 20KHz, but it is not good to align at these levels. The ZX >> > 9 >> > aligns at 15kHz. The key is to account for self erasure, by adjusting >>the >> > bias so 18kHz is 0.5 tp 1 dB boosted. When the recorded tones are >>rewound >> > and replayed, the 18kHz tone always drops a bit in level because hi >> > frequencies erase themselves somewhat, and because some of the measured >> > 18kHz is actually bias leaking into the playback circuit. This too >>takes >> > some experimenting, but those of you with 3 head decks, try comparing >>real >> > time adjustment to the rewind and play adjustment. >> > Always have Dolby off during calibration. Nakamichi matched record >>and >> > play Dolby chips so resoponse with Dolby on would be flat. >> > Push the mono button to be sure you have no azimuth errors. A drop in >> > his in mono indicates azimuth problems. >> > You asked why tapes are different. Beyond the obvious differences in >> > oxides is the tape skew problem. Nak uses a pad lifter to keep the tape >> > from squirming if you will, across the play head. With properly >> > adjusted >> > guides, the tape will lie flat against the head. There are, however two >> > gides in the cassette shell that can skew the tape, and this is the >>major >> > contributor to errors using similar tape formulations. Remember the TDK >> > metal shell? Skew reduction was the goal of that product. >> > >> > tom brucker >> > >> > At 08:33 AM 4/7/06 +0100, Chris Mann wrote: >> >>Last night I was playing some old tapes on my BX-300E >> >>that were recorded on my old Aiwa AD-WX929. >> >> >> >>I played an old Memorex ferric that I'd recorded >> >>pretty "hot" (peaking about +5). With tape type and EQ >> >>set correctly on playback, and using Dolby B, this >> >>almost sounded like a CD it was so clear. It was >> >>breathtaking to be honest. It was recorded in 1997. >> >> >> >>I played a TDK chrome that I recorded on the same deck >> >>the same year and set the EQ to 70ms (as per the >> >>manual) and Dolby B and the life went out of the music >> >>almost completely. So, my question is: should EQ >> >>really be set on playback? If it should, I don't think >> >>I'm going to be using many chromes on my Nak - ferrics >> >>come out sounding livelier, even cheap ones. >> >> >> >>This question is sure to have been asked before but as >> >>a new member I don't think I'd dig that far into the >> >>archives. I hope someone can clear this one up for >> >>me... >> >> >> >>Chris >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >>Maintain your account here: >> >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > Tom Brucker CSM >> > Hi Tech Service >> > 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> > Nashville, TN 37211 >> > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be >>subject >> > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or >> > more >> > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the >>use >> > of the >> > named recipient/s. >> > >> > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, >> > distribute, >> > disclose >> > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in >> > reliance on it. >> > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by >> > replying to >> > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your >> > computer. >> > >> > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses >> > are >> > present >> > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss >>or >> > damage arising >> > from the use of this email or attachments. >> > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >><< doane.vcf >> > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From NIGELJ47 at aol.com Sat Apr 8 23:35:24 2006 From: NIGELJ47 at aol.com (NIGELJ47 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:35:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi's with microphone inputs Message-ID: <0BC544A4.2BA0FBBE.00729C00@aol.com> Can anyone let me know which decks have a facility for accepting two microphones. I want a deck to tape live music at home and sometimes in a class situation.Many thanks.Nigel. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Apr 9 00:05:49 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:05:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi's with microphone inputs In-Reply-To: <0BC544A4.2BA0FBBE.00729C00@aol.com> References: <0BC544A4.2BA0FBBE.00729C00@aol.com> Message-ID: <443833BD.6080300@xs4all.nl> These models: 1000 1000II 700 700II 350 500 550 700ZXE 700ZXL 1000ZXL 1000ZXL LTD And all the others if you buy a MX-100 for it. Wouter NIGELJ47 at aol.com wrote: > Can anyone let me know which decks have a facility for accepting two microphones. I want a deck to tape live music at home and sometimes in a class situation.Many thanks.Nigel. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Apr 8 23:51:03 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:51:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi's with microphone inputs In-Reply-To: <0BC544A4.2BA0FBBE.00729C00@aol.com> References: <0BC544A4.2BA0FBBE.00729C00@aol.com> Message-ID: <44383047.1090107@yahoo.ca> As far as I know, no Naks have mic inputs. Maybe some portable models do. If you really want mic inputs, there's a Nak mic preamp to plug in the rec inputs. NIGELJ47 at aol.com a écrit : > Can anyone let me know which decks have a facility for accepting two microphones. I want a deck to tape live music at home and sometimes in a class situation.Many thanks.Nigel. > From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 9 00:42:05 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:42:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? In-Reply-To: <443820C2.3000909@rcn.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Ron. I do have some old recordings from records and some of them do have echo, and it was from the groove you explained about... good to know. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 1:45 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? When the recording engineer tries to milk the last second out of an LP, the land (area between grooves) gets very small. Instantaneous loud passages can cause it to all but disappear. The stylus then senses not only it's current groove, but also the preceding one (causing echo) or the next one (causing pre-echo). There is a very simple cure for this phenomenon: either toss the LP or learn to live with it (personally, I have always preferred the former). IME, this is a rare problem, though. To differentiate between an LP echo and a cassette echo, time the delay between repercussions. With an LP, it's constant, at just under 0.5Sec. With a cassette it varies, depending on where in the cassette it occurs. -- Ron Greg Fuentes wrote: > I found the print-through discussion interesting in light of the fact > that I had recently experienced what I believe is some print-through > while listening to a DG tape on my CR-7. > > My question is this. The phenomenom occurred just prior to the > beginning of a musical passage. I know, on occasion, when listening to > an LP, I hear the same thing--a few introductory notes very faintly > played, then the actual notes as the composer intended. > > So, I wasn't sure if what I heard on the CR-7 was print-through or its > recreation of whatever occurs on certain LPs also. > > Any insight as to the reasons behind what I heard and why I hear the > faint precursors of passages on LPs? > > Thanks. > > GF ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 9 00:48:03 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:48:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? In-Reply-To: <003e01c65b4e$aa9fe4a0$d898403e@LAPTOP> Message-ID: Hi, Adam: That makes sense.. I too have played back 70us tapes that were made very early on non Nak decks that sounded very treble lacking and found there is an improvement by playing them back at 120us, but what I was referring to was the subject about changing settings during the actual recording process. I'm assuming that everyone here is pretty much talking about recording on Nak decks and I think that any of them, if in good alignment will give the best recordings with the factory suggested settings. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Adam Falcrest [mailto:falcrest at tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 1:55 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? I started my recording on TDK SA tapes when I was aged 17 I didn't have a Nak then. Any corrective changes are important in order to improve the sound to old tapes played on inferior machines. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doane Hoag" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? > That's sort of what I was saying, I might as well not have a treble and > base > control as I never use mine anyway. I always set my Nak controls correctly > while recording. In other words, I set the recording equilization and tape > type, bias, etc. to the standard settings that Nakamichi set it up for, > then > in playback (which is identical to the original on my ZX7) I can always > adjust treble if I want to (but I can't remember ever changing them from > flat). > > So, if your decks can do a flawless recording at their designed for > settings, you don't need to use non standard settings during record or > playback and risk messing up the recording. > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 4:01 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? > > > Hi Doane! > > NOT always...my ARC SP-9 Mk/2 control unit...DON'T have any treble/bass > knobs...so MUST be set correctly at the deck! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: "Doane Hoag" >>Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? >>Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:58:48 -0700 >> >> >>I always stick to the correct setting for the tape type when I record.. >>you >>can always adjust trebble to what you want on playback, that seems safer. >> >>Doane >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Adam Falcrest >>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:27 AM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? >> >> >>When archiving I have been switching eq to normal. It does sound a bit >>bright so I dampen the top end using valve parametric eq. On the end >>result >>I think its better to get the clearest result possible wiithout it >>sounding >>overly sharp and limit the top end at a later stage rather than having to >>lift it because the chrome eq switch makes the sound too dull. I think I >>have cd ear and probably valve ear as well :)) >> >>If im probably breaking certain hifi rules but its easier to adjust >>freqency >>responses on equipment than on my ears. >> >>Adam >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Marc hugo" >>To: ; >>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:56 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ settings - a silly question? >> >> >> > Thanks Tom - I'll be saving this. I have a feeling that there is a >> > "lot >> > of this going on". All those closet eq switchers!!! I admit I have >> > listened to tapes recorded with NR and listened without - but it >>shouldn't >> > be necessary and it also isn't accurate. Thanks for the technical >> > info. >> > >> > Marc >> > >> >>>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 4/7/2006 4:06:43 PM >>> >> > Chris, >> > Eq should be set the same in record and playback. The 120us EX setting >> > begins a high frequency rise down in the midrange. The SX, ZX 7 us rise >> > begins at a higher point, because the tape particles are more linear >>with >> > hi frequency. The dullness you report is the difference added by SX pb >>at >> > EX Eq. >> > A few things to do: Record calibration for flat response. 18k Hz. >>levels >> > are balanced through bias adjustments to match 400Hz levels. Some nak >> > decks >> > are flat to 20KHz, but it is not good to align at these levels. The ZX >> > 9 >> > aligns at 15kHz. The key is to account for self erasure, by adjusting >>the >> > bias so 18kHz is 0.5 tp 1 dB boosted. When the recorded tones are >>rewound >> > and replayed, the 18kHz tone always drops a bit in level because hi >> > frequencies erase themselves somewhat, and because some of the measured >> > 18kHz is actually bias leaking into the playback circuit. This too >>takes >> > some experimenting, but those of you with 3 head decks, try comparing >>real >> > time adjustment to the rewind and play adjustment. >> > Always have Dolby off during calibration. Nakamichi matched record >>and >> > play Dolby chips so resoponse with Dolby on would be flat. >> > Push the mono button to be sure you have no azimuth errors. A drop in >> > his in mono indicates azimuth problems. >> > You asked why tapes are different. Beyond the obvious differences in >> > oxides is the tape skew problem. Nak uses a pad lifter to keep the tape >> > from squirming if you will, across the play head. With properly >> > adjusted >> > guides, the tape will lie flat against the head. There are, however two >> > gides in the cassette shell that can skew the tape, and this is the >>major >> > contributor to errors using similar tape formulations. Remember the TDK >> > metal shell? Skew reduction was the goal of that product. >> > >> > tom brucker >> > >> > At 08:33 AM 4/7/06 +0100, Chris Mann wrote: >> >>Last night I was playing some old tapes on my BX-300E >> >>that were recorded on my old Aiwa AD-WX929. >> >> >> >>I played an old Memorex ferric that I'd recorded >> >>pretty "hot" (peaking about +5). With tape type and EQ >> >>set correctly on playback, and using Dolby B, this >> >>almost sounded like a CD it was so clear. It was >> >>breathtaking to be honest. It was recorded in 1997. >> >> >> >>I played a TDK chrome that I recorded on the same deck >> >>the same year and set the EQ to 70ms (as per the >> >>manual) and Dolby B and the life went out of the music >> >>almost completely. So, my question is: should EQ >> >>really be set on playback? If it should, I don't think >> >>I'm going to be using many chromes on my Nak - ferrics >> >>come out sounding livelier, even cheap ones. >> >> >> >>This question is sure to have been asked before but as >> >>a new member I don't think I'd dig that far into the >> >>archives. I hope someone can clear this one up for >> >>me... >> >> >> >>Chris >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== = >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== = >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >>Maintain your account here: >> >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------======== = >> >> >> > Tom Brucker CSM >> > Hi Tech Service >> > 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> > Nashville, TN 37211 >> > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be >>subject >> > to legal privilege. 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 9 03:59:23 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:59:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through Message-ID: That's wierd, I was answering another thread... ?? From lenaw at flash.net Sun Apr 9 04:04:48 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:04:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVCs In-Reply-To: <4437DFAC.4050700@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001f01c65b79$fb535230$9ac5db40@CPQ16585250299> I have a JVC DD-66 and DD-88 which I believe is the same as the DD-5 and DD-7. I don't think I like how they sound. I think their sound is inferior to that of my Nak 6xx series ( 670ZX/682ZX ) decks; not counting the DRAGON. The word inferior means no high and no low. The DD-XX series of decks are considered to be the high-end series of the JVC especially the DD-99 and DD-9 with the auto-calibration of tapes ( bias, level and equalization ). The JVC is small in size but pack quite a number of features ( quite remarkable though ). Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 11:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVCs Haven't seen many people talking about the better JVC decks from the DD series. I always liked the DD-9 and it's later successors, never owned one though but JVC always seemed to be doing well for inventing new stuff. I own a DD-V9 and it's quite a nice deck, with calibration but I think the sound lacks warmth. Anyone who once owned one of these DD decks and compared it to their Naks? Wouter I ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 9 06:03:00 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060409040300.86605.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Given the age of our machines, it is to be expected that they will have some kind of problem-mostly they are the types that have been discussed here. Once I went to pick up a 'working' Aiwa Excelia. The shope lady didn't power it up, but told me it was playing two days ago. Went home and tried going over it, but no, nothing could coax it into working. Eventually, I found out that the spindle turn-on transistor had failed, and the motion sensor belt had long since melted away! Changed these two, and the deck was in full swing! I've seen the amazing claims on bold declerations, but don't believe them a single iota. When I am buying something, I get mentally prepared to anticipate a full r and r. Bala 79Labs Doane Hoag wrote: What always gets me is the, "we have no way of testing it, but we plugged it in and the lights come on .." and maybe they will add, "and the reel hubs turn when we push the rewind button.." etc. How hard is it to try every function out and play back a tape and record a tape to see if everything does work? Of course, they will often add, "I don't have the manual or know anything about how to use this so I couldn't test it.." OK, I can see how, if you didn't have the manual, you might not know how to set up the user adjustable bias, levels, azimuth on Naks that have that, but recording and playback doesn't take a rocket scientist degree. The other one that kills me is when some seller makes a statement about a 1980s or earlier Nak like this, "I am the original owner" ...OK, that's possible, doesn't really mean anything though, does it? and then maybe they will add, "I've only used this deck a little bit, it probably only has about 200 hours of use.." Sure, right, so it was just bought as a shelf ornament, and has been sitting there for over 20 years, Right!... I would guess that 95% of the old decks being sold have some major problem that will need to be fixed to get them back up to spec. Doane. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:12 AM To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through Kermit V. Gray wrote: > I'm laughing so hard I can barely type! You mean if I told you my > Wollensak beats a Dragon, you wouldn't believe me! You know, it amazes > me how many eBay sellers will describe some non-Nakamichi cassette deck, > often a midrange model with few features, (or worse, something like an > Akai, low-end Technics, Pioneer or Sankyo) as "I don't have a tape to > test it out but it worked perfectly the last time I used it. This deck > is awesome...it beats the Dragon." You neglected to mention the "I plugged it in and the light came on, so I am sure it's working perfectly" crowd. -- Ron Uh-huh. Sure it does. > > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... >> Doane >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM >> To: rob at rhoag.com >> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> >> >> Yo, Doane, >> >> You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, >> 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) >> >> Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the >> burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy >> Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light >> show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision >> calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the >> factory worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the >> convenience of its wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth >> un-alignment feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned >> with this deck -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have >> when you play a tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety >> is the spice of life, yes? >> >> In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you >> can have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) >> 2551AV. Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its >> built in oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode >> amp guys use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig >> cassettes dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. >> >> I can sense your growing excitement here. >> >> Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hoag;Doane FN:Doane Hoag ORG:Doane Design TITLE:Architectural & custome tile design TEL;WORK;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(831) 625-5793 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(831) 601-8374 TEL;WORK;FAX:(831) 625-5793 TEL;HOME;FAX:above, non dedicated ADR;WORK:;831-625-5793;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:831-625-5793=0D=0APO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited S= tates ADR;HOME:;;PO Box 7189;Carmel by the Sea;CA;93921;United States of America LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 7189=0D=0ACarmel by the Sea, CA 93921=0D=0AUnited States of America URL;WORK:http://rhoag.com ROLE:Architectural design/graphics/illustration EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Doane at rhoag.com REV:20040418T151049Z END:VCARD ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 9 06:24:27 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 04:24:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through Message-ID: Bravo Doane! You are for me 100% correct...for me 99% of the Nak decks sold on eBay...are "Defectives"...in any way! For so...I never will acquire any Nak from Ebay/Audiogon...etc!. Be well, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >, >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:27:50 -0700 > > >What always gets me is the, "we have no way of testing it, but we plugged >it >in and the lights come on .." and maybe they will add, "and the reel hubs >turn when we push the rewind button.." etc. How hard is it to try every >function out and play back a tape and record a tape to see if everything >does work? > >Of course, they will often add, "I don't have the manual or know anything >about how to use this so I couldn't test it.." OK, I can see how, if you >didn't have the manual, you might not know how to set up the user >adjustable >bias, levels, azimuth on Naks that have that, but recording and playback >doesn't take a rocket scientist degree. > >The other one that kills me is when some seller makes a statement about a >1980s or earlier Nak like this, "I am the original owner" ...OK, that's >possible, doesn't really mean anything though, does it? and then maybe they >will add, "I've only used this deck a little bit, it probably only has >about >200 hours of use.." Sure, right, so it was just bought as a shelf >ornament, >and has been sitting there for over 20 years, Right!... > >I would guess that 95% of the old decks being sold have some major problem >that will need to be fixed to get them back up to spec. > >Doane. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Ron >Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:12 AM >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > > >Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > I'm laughing so hard I can barely type! You mean if I told you my > > Wollensak beats a Dragon, you wouldn't believe me! You know, it amazes > > me how many eBay sellers will describe some non-Nakamichi cassette deck, > > often a midrange model with few features, (or worse, something like an > > Akai, low-end Technics, Pioneer or Sankyo) as "I don't have a tape to > > test it out but it worked perfectly the last time I used it. This deck > > is awesome...it beats the Dragon." > >You neglected to mention the "I plugged it in >and the light came on, so I am sure it's working >perfectly" crowd. > >-- Ron > > >Uh-huh. Sure it does. > > > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > >> Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... > >> Doane > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM > >> To: rob at rhoag.com > >> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > >> > >> > >> Yo, Doane, > >> > >> You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, > >> 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) > >> > >> Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the > >> burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy > >> Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light > >> show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision > >> calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the > >> factory worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the > >> convenience of its wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth > >> un-alignment feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned > >> with this deck -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have > >> when you play a tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety > >> is the spice of life, yes? > >> > >> In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you > >> can have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) > >> 2551AV. Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its > >> built in oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode > >> amp guys use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig > >> cassettes dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. > >> > >> I can sense your growing excitement here. > >> > >> Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) > >> > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 9 06:33:02 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 04:33:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi's with microphone inputs Message-ID: Hi Nigel! Is I recall well, the first series 700/700-2/1000/1000-2/500/550..can be use them also with 3 microphones, a "Blend"...one so as with my 1000/2 make possible to me to record the first "Bla...Bla...Bla"...of my two first sons, plug in only ONE; AKG D-190 microphone to the "Blend (Mono) input; so was possible to hear the "Bla...Bla...Bla" trough the two speakers on a stereo equipment. ALEX! >From: NIGELJ47 at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi's with microphone inputs >Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:35:24 -0400 > >Can anyone let me know which decks have a facility for accepting two >microphones. I want a deck to tape live music at home and sometimes in a >class situation.Many thanks.Nigel. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 9 06:34:56 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 04:34:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi's with microphone inputs Message-ID: Hi Wouter! Thanks for correct my eruditeness! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi's with microphone inputs >Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:05:49 +0200 > > >These models: > >1000 >1000II >700 >700II >350 >500 >550 >700ZXE >700ZXL >1000ZXL >1000ZXL LTD > >And all the others if you buy a MX-100 for it. > >Wouter > >NIGELJ47 at aol.com wrote: >>Can anyone let me know which decks have a facility for accepting two >>microphones. I want a deck to tape live music at home and sometimes in a >>class situation.Many thanks.Nigel. >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Apr 9 11:35:03 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 04:35:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi's with microphone inputs In-Reply-To: <0BC544A4.2BA0FBBE.00729C00@aol.com> References: <0BC544A4.2BA0FBBE.00729C00@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Nigel, Would this work for you? You may need a Phantom Power supply for condensors and/or a Mic. tube pre-amp to sweeten up the sound a bit.heres the link... http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=245-868&ctab=14 On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:35:24 -0500, wrote: > Can anyone let me know which decks have a facility for accepting two > microphones. I want a deck to tape live music at home and sometimes in a > class situation.Many thanks.Nigel. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Apr 9 12:20:17 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 05:20:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVCs In-Reply-To: <4437DFAC.4050700@xs4all.nl> References: <4437DFAC.4050700@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: JVC? I havent heard of the DD series, however I acquired a mint JVC TD-V711 (7-11.. is that lucky!?!) off E-buy this past month. The 7-11 ( i think there was a top of the line TDV9-11) is a three head deck from the "Superdigifine" series of the late 80's or early 90's. It's an excellent value for a used cassette deck, which is something that cannot be said anymore about the Nakamichi .I think the right match-up with speakers is something to be considered with this JVC deck. It does very well with Snell, and would sound great with Whafedale, Mordaunt-Short or Mission's. On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:07:08 -0500, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Haven't seen many people talking about the better JVC decks from the DD > series. > I always liked the DD-9 and it's later successors, never owned one > though but JVC always seemed to be doing well for inventing new stuff. > > I own a DD-V9 and it's quite a nice deck, with calibration but I think > the sound lacks warmth. > Anyone who once owned one of these DD decks and compared it to their > Naks? > > Wouter > I > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Sun Apr 9 15:06:59 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:06:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi's with microphone inputs In-Reply-To: <443833BD.6080300@xs4all.nl> References: <0BC544A4.2BA0FBBE.00729C00@aol.com> <443833BD.6080300@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060409090525.030925b0@pop.videotron.ca> At 18:05 04/08/2006, you wrote: >These models: > >1000 >1000II >700 >700II >350 >500 >550 >700ZXE >700ZXL >1000ZXL >1000ZXL LTD > >And all the others if you buy a MX-100 for it. The decks that feature a "Black Box» connector in the back can use the MX-100 microphone mixer directly. Others would also need the PS-100 power supply. From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Sun Apr 9 15:19:13 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:19:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? In-Reply-To: <443820C2.3000909@rcn.com> References: <4437D362.5020005@mminternet.com> <443820C2.3000909@rcn.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060409091047.030926f8@pop.videotron.ca> At 16:44 04/08/2006, you wrote: >When the recording engineer tries to milk the last >second out of an LP, the land (area between grooves) >gets very small. Instantaneous loud passages can >cause it to all but disappear. The stylus then senses >not only it's current groove, but also the preceding >one (causing echo) or the next one (causing pre-echo). >There is a very simple cure for this phenomenon: >either toss the LP or learn to live with it (personally, >I have always preferred the former). IME, this is a rare >problem, though. Some otherwise fantastic sounding LPs exhibit this problem. One good example is "Midnight Sugar" on the "Three Blind Mice" label. The surface noise is virtually non existent and the dynamic range of the piano recording is spectacular. You can definitely hear the pre-echo of the piano when you play the thing loud enough. >To differentiate between an LP echo and a cassette echo, >time the delay between repercussions. With an LP, it's >constant, at just under 0.5Sec. With a cassette it >varies, depending on where in the cassette it occurs. Actually, I believe it is just under 2 seconds with the LP (60/33 rather than 33/60). >-- Ron > > > >Greg Fuentes wrote: >>I found the print-through discussion interesting in light of the fact >>that I had recently experienced what I believe is some print-through >>while listening to a DG tape on my CR-7. >>My question is this. The phenomenom occurred just prior to the >>beginning of a musical passage. I know, on occasion, when listening to >>an LP, I hear the same thing--a few introductory notes very faintly >>played, then the actual notes as the composer intended. >>So, I wasn't sure if what I heard on the CR-7 was print-through or its >>recreation of whatever occurs on certain LPs also. >>Any insight as to the reasons behind what I heard and why I hear the >>faint precursors of passages on LPs? >>Thanks. >>GF >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 9 14:43:39 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:43:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4439017B.30500@rcn.com> I've seen it more than once... a seller claims an item is in good shape, but after paying for it and getting it in, it turns out the seller has lied -- it's a dog. I can't accept the attitude that this is to be expected, that it's normal, that Nak decks are old and therefore, expected to have a problem regardless of what the seller promised. To me, this has nothing to do with Naks. It has to do with sleazy, despicable sellers that will lie and cheat to make a few bucks; sometimes, very few bucks. I've had a seller on ebay run away with my money -- all 17 dollars of it -- and never ship the product. What kind of a person debases itself for $17? People's complacency only encourages scammers. They know they can get away with it, because, hey, the item is old and therefore, the buyer shouldn't have believed their lies. He has no one to blame but himself. Think again. By tolerating scams, you are encouraging scammers. -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Bravo Doane! > > You are for me 100% correct...for me 99% of the Nak decks sold on > eBay...are "Defectives"...in any way! For so...I never will acquire any > Nak from Ebay/Audiogon...etc!. > > Be well, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: "Doane Hoag" >> Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> , >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:27:50 -0700 >> >> >> What always gets me is the, "we have no way of testing it, but we >> plugged it >> in and the lights come on .." and maybe they will add, "and the reel hubs >> turn when we push the rewind button.." etc. How hard is it to try every >> function out and play back a tape and record a tape to see if everything >> does work? >> >> Of course, they will often add, "I don't have the manual or know anything >> about how to use this so I couldn't test it.." OK, I can see how, if you >> didn't have the manual, you might not know how to set up the user >> adjustable >> bias, levels, azimuth on Naks that have that, but recording and playback >> doesn't take a rocket scientist degree. >> >> The other one that kills me is when some seller makes a statement about a >> 1980s or earlier Nak like this, "I am the original owner" ...OK, that's >> possible, doesn't really mean anything though, does it? and then maybe >> they >> will add, "I've only used this deck a little bit, it probably only has >> about >> 200 hours of use.." Sure, right, so it was just bought as a shelf >> ornament, >> and has been sitting there for over 20 years, Right!... >> >> I would guess that 95% of the old decks being sold have some major >> problem >> that will need to be fixed to get them back up to spec. >> >> Doane. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Ron >> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:12 AM >> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> >> >> Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> > I'm laughing so hard I can barely type! You mean if I told you my >> > Wollensak beats a Dragon, you wouldn't believe me! You know, it amazes >> > me how many eBay sellers will describe some non-Nakamichi cassette >> deck, >> > often a midrange model with few features, (or worse, something like an >> > Akai, low-end Technics, Pioneer or Sankyo) as "I don't have a tape to >> > test it out but it worked perfectly the last time I used it. This deck >> > is awesome...it beats the Dragon." >> >> You neglected to mention the "I plugged it in >> and the light came on, so I am sure it's working >> perfectly" crowd. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Uh-huh. Sure it does. >> > >> > >> > Doane Hoag wrote: >> >> Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... >> >> Doane >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] >> >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM >> >> To: rob at rhoag.com >> >> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> >> >> >> >> >> Yo, Doane, >> >> >> >> You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, >> >> 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) >> >> >> >> Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the >> >> burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy >> >> Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light >> >> show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision >> >> calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the >> >> factory worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the >> >> convenience of its wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth >> >> un-alignment feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned >> >> with this deck -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have >> >> when you play a tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety >> >> is the spice of life, yes? >> >> >> >> In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you >> >> can have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) >> >> 2551AV. Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its >> >> built in oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode >> >> amp guys use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig >> >> cassettes dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. >> >> >> >> I can sense your growing excitement here. >> >> >> >> Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 9 16:20:29 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:20:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not just Ebay... probably just about anywhere, unless you buy one from a friend, or a reputible dealer who has had it serviced, or a seller who has had it serviced recently, but you should expect to pay a lot more for it.. and it's worth it, I think, unless you can do the repairs yourself. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette print-through Bravo Doane! You are for me 100% correct...for me 99% of the Nak decks sold on eBay...are "Defectives"...in any way! For so...I never will acquire any Nak from Ebay/Audiogon...etc!. Be well, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >, >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:27:50 -0700 > > >What always gets me is the, "we have no way of testing it, but we plugged >it >in and the lights come on .." and maybe they will add, "and the reel hubs >turn when we push the rewind button.." etc. How hard is it to try every >function out and play back a tape and record a tape to see if everything >does work? > >Of course, they will often add, "I don't have the manual or know anything >about how to use this so I couldn't test it.." OK, I can see how, if you >didn't have the manual, you might not know how to set up the user >adjustable >bias, levels, azimuth on Naks that have that, but recording and playback >doesn't take a rocket scientist degree. > >The other one that kills me is when some seller makes a statement about a >1980s or earlier Nak like this, "I am the original owner" ...OK, that's >possible, doesn't really mean anything though, does it? and then maybe they >will add, "I've only used this deck a little bit, it probably only has >about >200 hours of use.." Sure, right, so it was just bought as a shelf >ornament, >and has been sitting there for over 20 years, Right!... > >I would guess that 95% of the old decks being sold have some major problem >that will need to be fixed to get them back up to spec. > >Doane. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Ron >Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:12 AM >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > > >Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > I'm laughing so hard I can barely type! You mean if I told you my > > Wollensak beats a Dragon, you wouldn't believe me! You know, it amazes > > me how many eBay sellers will describe some non-Nakamichi cassette deck, > > often a midrange model with few features, (or worse, something like an > > Akai, low-end Technics, Pioneer or Sankyo) as "I don't have a tape to > > test it out but it worked perfectly the last time I used it. This deck > > is awesome...it beats the Dragon." > >You neglected to mention the "I plugged it in >and the light came on, so I am sure it's working >perfectly" crowd. > >-- Ron > > >Uh-huh. Sure it does. > > > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > >> Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... > >> Doane > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM > >> To: rob at rhoag.com > >> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > >> > >> > >> Yo, Doane, > >> > >> You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, > >> 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) > >> > >> Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the > >> burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy > >> Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light > >> show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision > >> calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the > >> factory worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the > >> convenience of its wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth > >> un-alignment feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned > >> with this deck -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have > >> when you play a tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety > >> is the spice of life, yes? > >> > >> In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you > >> can have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) > >> 2551AV. Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its > >> built in oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode > >> amp guys use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig > >> cassettes dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. > >> > >> I can sense your growing excitement here. > >> > >> Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) > >> > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 9 18:13:14 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060409091047.030926f8@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20060409161314.25819.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Marc, Are you talking about the original LPs or the re-issues? Bala 79Labs Marc Denis wrote: At 16:44 04/08/2006, you wrote: >When the recording engineer tries to milk the last >second out of an LP, the land (area between grooves) >gets very small. Instantaneous loud passages can >cause it to all but disappear. The stylus then senses >not only it's current groove, but also the preceding >one (causing echo) or the next one (causing pre-echo). >There is a very simple cure for this phenomenon: >either toss the LP or learn to live with it (personally, >I have always preferred the former). IME, this is a rare >problem, though. Some otherwise fantastic sounding LPs exhibit this problem. One good example is "Midnight Sugar" on the "Three Blind Mice" label. The surface noise is virtually non existent and the dynamic range of the piano recording is spectacular. You can definitely hear the pre-echo of the piano when you play the thing loud enough. >To differentiate between an LP echo and a cassette echo, >time the delay between repercussions. With an LP, it's >constant, at just under 0.5Sec. With a cassette it >varies, depending on where in the cassette it occurs. Actually, I believe it is just under 2 seconds with the LP (60/33 rather than 33/60). >-- Ron > > > >Greg Fuentes wrote: >>I found the print-through discussion interesting in light of the fact >>that I had recently experienced what I believe is some print-through >>while listening to a DG tape on my CR-7. >>My question is this. The phenomenom occurred just prior to the >>beginning of a musical passage. I know, on occasion, when listening to >>an LP, I hear the same thing--a few introductory notes very faintly >>played, then the actual notes as the composer intended. >>So, I wasn't sure if what I heard on the CR-7 was print-through or its >>recreation of whatever occurs on certain LPs also. >>Any insight as to the reasons behind what I heard and why I hear the >>faint precursors of passages on LPs? >>Thanks. >>GF >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Apr 9 20:41:21 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:41:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges In-Reply-To: <4436FFB8.6030403@darwin.sfbr.org> References: <200604041735.k34HZcOq005523@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060409134121.0081e2a0@earthlink.net> Charles, You really asked some good questions. One very useful tool is called a "mirror cassette" . The top part of a cassette shell is cut away and the pad is removed. A narrow 5mm mirror is placed behind the tape at 45 degrees to show a perfect view of the tape as it travels through the guides and across the heads. Edge damage is easily detected with this tool. You can make one yourself with a cassette, and use a dental mirror. Nakamichi found that the pad would allow the tape to squirm azimuth-wise over the head, enough that frequency response above 15kHz was unpredictable. If part of the pad was contacting the tape in you machine, that would cause tape skew and perhaps damage, but less likely. The most frequent cause of edge damage is worn pinch rollers, or misaligned guide height. High take up torque can also damage edges, but only at the beginning of the tape. The pad lifter can be removed without disrupting alignment, so you could experiment. tom brucker At 07:11 PM 4/7/06 -0500, Charles Peterson wrote: >Recently I've worked with a couple of Naks with pad lifters, a Dragon >and an RX-505, and I've been thinking about the pad lifters. > >The Dragon was malfunctioning badly. It appeared that the NAAC was not >working at all, there was no response above 2Khz in either channel and >in either direction. After reversing direction at the end of side A, it >would start to wrinkle tape pretty soon and shut down. I cleaned heads, >capstans, pinch rollers with Intraclean H (hexane) several times, and it >didn't help. > >Taking a close look at the heads, it seemed to me that it was possible >that the play head was orientated so badly that the "pad lifter" was >hitting the tape in reverse play mode, and causing the tape to wrinkle. > Looking at the tape, it was clear it started to wrinkle on one side, >then got worse and worse. > >Thinking about this has got me wondering about the pad lifter in general >(not just Dragon). 1) How much good does it do? and 2) Can it harm >tape if head(s) are out of alighnment, azimuth, etc? > >I can see that with the Dragon it's especially difficult to get this >correct. For bidirectional play, doesn't the head have to move >slightly? ("up" and "down" as Nakamichi calls it in the service manual, >though "forward" and "back" would be the more intuitive terms) > Interestingly, Nak doesn't call attention to this little fact in >brochures and owners manual (it's even hard to find out about it in the >service manual), only talking about how the head has to be turned for >correct azimuth. But clearly the head has to be moved with at least two >degrees of freedom (up/down and azimuth). And because of the up/down >movement, the pad lifter has to be very close to the tape to be sure it >lifts the pressure pad in both tape travel directions. And because of >these two factors (head movement and narrow pad-lifter opening), it >seems quite likely to me that unless the head moving system is working >correctly within narrow tolerances it's quite possible the Dragon pad >lifter can become a tape eater. > >With my newly acquired RX-505, it seems (and looks) to me like the pad >lifter opening can be and is slightly wider, and since the head doesn't >normally move, there's no dynamic problem. But if the head is >sufficiently out of static adjustment, it still seems possible to me >that tape could get damaged. My RX-505 probably does need adjustment, >because high frequency response varies quite a bit depending on cassette >side. I have examined fresh tape immediately after making one pass >through the RX-505 (on the B side), and it could be my imagination, but >it looks to me like something could be hitting one edge of the tape from >time to time, though not badly enough to be audibly apparent after one >pass. But isn't *any* tape damage a matter of concern? > >If you look at a typical cassette tape today, you will see that the >"pad" is cut very close to the tape. It's a wonder that pad lifters can >work at all. And what happens with one of these closely cut pads if the >pad gets lifted on one side, but not lifted on the other? Couldn't the >pad lifter actually cause more harm than good with respect to wow and >flutter if something like this happens? (Are these narrow cut pads >actually intended to defeat pad lifters?) > >Are there risks of pad lifters damaging tape? Has anyone considered >removing them? How much improvement does a properly working pad lifter >actually make in wow and flutter? (Doesn't most of the improvement in >better models come from double capstan transport, NOT pad lifter alone?) > If there's any risk of tape damage, I'd be interested in having the pad >lifter removed when my deck is rebuilt. Even if my RX-505 heads are >aligned to perfection at first, they won't stay that way forever. > >Charles Peterson >San Antonio, TX > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Apr 9 21:40:07 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:40:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi's with microphone inputs In-Reply-To: <0BC544A4.2BA0FBBE.00729C00@aol.com> References: <0BC544A4.2BA0FBBE.00729C00@aol.com> Message-ID: <44396317.6040302@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Nigel, NIGELJ47 at aol.com wrote: > Can anyone let me know which decks have a facility for accepting two microphones. I want a deck to tape live music at home and sometimes in a class situation.Many thanks.Nigel. Only the 350, 550 and 500, if I recall but check the 700 and 1000 -- my memory is a bit fatigued today but they may also have them. Nakamichi also made a "black box" called the MX-100 that allowed other Naks to have mic inputs. For live music, I'd heartily recommend the 550 -- it has an excellent peak limiter, excellent meters, decent phone amp and has battery power -- and truly professional sound reminiscent of a studio reel-to-reel. I've used mine for 30 years for live music and they are hard to beat! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Sun Apr 9 22:12:56 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:12:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? In-Reply-To: <20060409161314.25819.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20060409091047.030926f8@pop.videotron.ca> <20060409161314.25819.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060409160914.035c32a0@pop.videotron.ca> Hi Bala, I am talking about the original TBM-2523 I purchased in the late seventies. Cheers, -Marc At 12:13 04/09/2006, you wrote: >Hi Marc, > > Are you talking about the original LPs or the re-issues? > >Bala >79Labs > >Marc Denis wrote: >At 16:44 04/08/2006, you wrote: > > >When the recording engineer tries to milk the last > >second out of an LP, the land (area between grooves) > >gets very small. Instantaneous loud passages can > >cause it to all but disappear. The stylus then senses > >not only it's current groove, but also the preceding > >one (causing echo) or the next one (causing pre-echo). > >There is a very simple cure for this phenomenon: > >either toss the LP or learn to live with it (personally, > >I have always preferred the former). IME, this is a rare > >problem, though. > >Some otherwise fantastic sounding LPs exhibit this problem. One good >example is "Midnight Sugar" on the "Three Blind Mice" label. The >surface noise is virtually non existent and the dynamic range of the >piano recording is spectacular. You can definitely hear the pre-echo >of the piano when you play the thing loud enough. > > > >To differentiate between an LP echo and a cassette echo, > >time the delay between repercussions. With an LP, it's > >constant, at just under 0.5Sec. With a cassette it > >varies, depending on where in the cassette it occurs. > >Actually, I believe it is just under 2 seconds with the LP (60/33 >rather than 33/60). > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >Greg Fuentes wrote: > >>I found the print-through discussion interesting in light of the fact > >>that I had recently experienced what I believe is some print-through > >>while listening to a DG tape on my CR-7. > >>My question is this. The phenomenom occurred just prior to the > >>beginning of a musical passage. I know, on occasion, when listening to > >>an LP, I hear the same thing--a few introductory notes very faintly > >>played, then the actual notes as the composer intended. > >>So, I wasn't sure if what I heard on the CR-7 was print-through or its > >>recreation of whatever occurs on certain LPs also. > >>Any insight as to the reasons behind what I heard and why I hear the > >>faint precursors of passages on LPs? > >>Thanks. > >>GF > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make >PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 9 22:09:57 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:09:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <4439017B.30500@rcn.com> Message-ID: I agree, Ron.. I think that's why most of them give the excuse that they can't test it out. That supposedily takes them off the hook. :~) I recently sold my LX5 that I had changed the orange caps in, it seemed to be working fine and I advertised it on Ebay as being in excellent condition with the new changed caps. Well, the guy that bought it emailed me back after a couple of days of using it and reported that the play back of his older tapes did not sound that great, and that during the recording, he could hear some very slight dolby missalignment in the form of noise pumping, or something. To make it short, he decided not to keep it and I gave him his money back. When I got it back and spent some serious time listening to it I could see what he was talking about, so I now have it in the shop being aligned to Nak standards, which I wasn't able to do at home because I don't have the equipment to do it. I refuse to sell it on Ebay and lie about it. I would rather pay the money to have it fixed right and sell it that way, even if I don't recover the money. I'm no saint, it's just the right thing to do. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 5:44 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through I've seen it more than once... a seller claims an item is in good shape, but after paying for it and getting it in, it turns out the seller has lied -- it's a dog. I can't accept the attitude that this is to be expected, that it's normal, that Nak decks are old and therefore, expected to have a problem regardless of what the seller promised. To me, this has nothing to do with Naks. It has to do with sleazy, despicable sellers that will lie and cheat to make a few bucks; sometimes, very few bucks. I've had a seller on ebay run away with my money -- all 17 dollars of it -- and never ship the product. What kind of a person debases itself for $17? People's complacency only encourages scammers. They know they can get away with it, because, hey, the item is old and therefore, the buyer shouldn't have believed their lies. He has no one to blame but himself. Think again. By tolerating scams, you are encouraging scammers. -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Bravo Doane! > > You are for me 100% correct...for me 99% of the Nak decks sold on > eBay...are "Defectives"...in any way! For so...I never will acquire any > Nak from Ebay/Audiogon...etc!. > > Be well, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: "Doane Hoag" >> Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> , >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:27:50 -0700 >> >> >> What always gets me is the, "we have no way of testing it, but we >> plugged it >> in and the lights come on .." and maybe they will add, "and the reel hubs >> turn when we push the rewind button.." etc. How hard is it to try every >> function out and play back a tape and record a tape to see if everything >> does work? >> >> Of course, they will often add, "I don't have the manual or know anything >> about how to use this so I couldn't test it.." OK, I can see how, if you >> didn't have the manual, you might not know how to set up the user >> adjustable >> bias, levels, azimuth on Naks that have that, but recording and playback >> doesn't take a rocket scientist degree. >> >> The other one that kills me is when some seller makes a statement about a >> 1980s or earlier Nak like this, "I am the original owner" ...OK, that's >> possible, doesn't really mean anything though, does it? and then maybe >> they >> will add, "I've only used this deck a little bit, it probably only has >> about >> 200 hours of use.." Sure, right, so it was just bought as a shelf >> ornament, >> and has been sitting there for over 20 years, Right!... >> >> I would guess that 95% of the old decks being sold have some major >> problem >> that will need to be fixed to get them back up to spec. >> >> Doane. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Ron >> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:12 AM >> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> >> >> Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> > I'm laughing so hard I can barely type! You mean if I told you my >> > Wollensak beats a Dragon, you wouldn't believe me! You know, it amazes >> > me how many eBay sellers will describe some non-Nakamichi cassette >> deck, >> > often a midrange model with few features, (or worse, something like an >> > Akai, low-end Technics, Pioneer or Sankyo) as "I don't have a tape to >> > test it out but it worked perfectly the last time I used it. This deck >> > is awesome...it beats the Dragon." >> >> You neglected to mention the "I plugged it in >> and the light came on, so I am sure it's working >> perfectly" crowd. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Uh-huh. Sure it does. >> > >> > >> > Doane Hoag wrote: >> >> Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... >> >> Doane >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] >> >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM >> >> To: rob at rhoag.com >> >> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> >> >> >> >> >> Yo, Doane, >> >> >> >> You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, >> >> 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) >> >> >> >> Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the >> >> burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy >> >> Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light >> >> show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision >> >> calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the >> >> factory worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the >> >> convenience of its wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth >> >> un-alignment feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned >> >> with this deck -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have >> >> when you play a tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety >> >> is the spice of life, yes? >> >> >> >> In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you >> >> can have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) >> >> 2551AV. Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its >> >> built in oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode >> >> amp guys use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig >> >> cassettes dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. >> >> >> >> I can sense your growing excitement here. >> >> >> >> Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Apr 9 22:17:21 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:17:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? In-Reply-To: <4437D362.5020005@mminternet.com> References: <4437D362.5020005@mminternet.com> Message-ID: <44396BD1.8010208@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Greg, Greg Fuentes wrote: > I found the print-through discussion interesting in light of the fact > that I had recently experienced what I believe is some print-through > while listening to a DG tape on my CR-7. > > My question is this. The phenomenom occurred just prior to the > beginning of a musical passage. I know, on occasion, when listening to > an LP, I hear the same thing--a few introductory notes very faintly > played, then the actual notes as the composer intended. > > So, I wasn't sure if what I heard on the CR-7 was print-through or its > recreation of whatever occurs on certain LPs also. > > Any insight as to the reasons behind what I heard and why I hear the > faint precursors of passages on LPs? The pre-echo you're hearing is an LP suffering from "loudness disease." What you have is a disc lathe engineer who is trying to make the cut as loud as possible while trying to jam as much music onto the disc as possible. As you increase cutting amplitude the cutter stylus swings wider and move closer to the adjacent groove, narrowing the "margin" or "land" between the groove. The stylus, being a mechanical device, can actually detect the adjacent groove is they are cut too closely, and "play" them by the reflection of the vibration -- this is the same mechanism, by the way, that lets geotechnical engineers detect voids underneath a basement slab by using their percusson hammer technicque. If the disc is cut properly, the spacing between grooves is kept the same despite how "hot" the grooves are cut (despite the cutting modulation width). This does limit the play time -- the higher levels you cut the less time you can cut because of the space taken up by the cutting and the requisite spacing between adjacent grooves. So, some sloppy engineers will let the spacing between grooves get too narrow to let them put more music on the disc. See? Now you know why "supercut" audiophile LPs run only 15 to 20 minutes per side and DJ discs run only 8 to 12 minutes per side. You can squeeze 34 minutes, 15 seconds onto an LP, but only if you keep groove modulation low, highly compressed, record only in monaural and start right adfter one revoution of the lead-in and cut all the way to the lead out with no blank bands. Don't do it, though -- it sounds awful. This is why when I've cut records prefer the Scully automatic record lathe over the more popular RCA, Westrex and Neumanns. The Scully has an automatic advance (with an internal level detector and analog "timing computer" of sorts) to keep the margins (lands) between adjacent grooves the same width regardless of groove modulation or groove pitch. Later Neumann lathes also have a similar feature, provided the master tape recorder has a "pre-hear" head, which is a play head located before the erase head used to provide a control signal to the lathe to control the advance rate -- like the look-ahead feature of some software plug-ins today, only done totally analog. The Studer A80, A800, A810 and A820 have this as an option, and I think the 3M 79 and Ampex ATR-100 do as well. I'm only familiar with the Scully and Studer master decks for LP cutting, though. Wait, I do recall the ATR-100 has a pre-hear version and the 350, MR-70 and MM-1100 can be converted to it. Most of thre higher end Otaris can too, like the MR90, maybe the MX50. To tell if your LP is the culprit of the pre-echo and notthe tape, check the timing. For 33-1/3 rpm 12-inch LP, the pre-echo will vary between 700 mS and about 2 seconds, depending on where on the LP you listen. I forget the times for 45 rpm or for 10-inch 33-1/3 EPs because I never cut any 45s or EPs. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Apr 9 22:32:39 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:32:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi's with microphone inputs In-Reply-To: References: <0BC544A4.2BA0FBBE.00729C00@aol.com> Message-ID: <44396F67.8090906@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Jerry, jerryjg wrote: > Hi Nigel, Would this work for you? You may need a Phantom Power supply > for condensors and/or a Mic. tube pre-amp to sweeten up the sound a > bit.heres the link... > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=245-868&ctab=14 Nasty sounding, there. The ART products are so-so, not greast, not awful, but this isn't one of their better efforts. It will make your analog tapes sound lifeless and digital. Actually, even though I make tube mic preamps I don't think you necessarily need a tube preamp with a great analog deck. Analog is already warm. Digital is the best beneficiary of the typical tube preamp. Most of the typical tube preamps will dull the sound of an analog deck. If you do get a tube mic preamp for an analog recorder then it should be one of the very few that has little or none of the typical tube colorations, like the McCurdy AU300, Altec 458 or 459, the Pultec MB-1 or one of my 77 series or Octavians. For the purpose, I wouldn't recommend most of the trendy boutique preamps made today or the older classics like the Altec 1566A, RCA BA-2 and BA-41; or my 75 series, 76 series and Stentorian. If he were to buy an outboard preamp for an analog cassette, and cost is not the prime consideration but pro sound is, then I'd recommend something from Universal Audio, Toft Audio Designs, Seventh Circle Audio, or a KVG Labs 77 or Octavian. > On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:35:24 -0500, wrote: > >> Can anyone let me know which decks have a facility for accepting two >> microphones. I want a deck to tape live music at home and sometimes in >> a class situation.Many thanks.Nigel. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 9 23:07:03 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:07:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060409134121.0081e2a0@earthlink.net> References: <200604041735.k34HZcOq005523@zxe.naks.com> <3.0.3.32.20060409134121.0081e2a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44397777.80001@rcn.com> One (Nakamichi?) paper stated that pad behaviour was very inconsistent, due to variations between cassette manufacturers and even different cassettes from the same type of the same manufacturer. OTOH, parameters of the dual capstan transport can be made very consistent and this is why Nakamichi chose to use pad lifters. Engineering wise, this makes perfect sense. -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > Charles, > You really asked some good questions. > One very useful tool is called a "mirror cassette" . The top part of a > cassette shell is cut away and the pad is removed. A narrow 5mm mirror is > placed behind the tape at 45 degrees to show a perfect view of the tape as > it travels through the guides and across the heads. Edge damage is easily > detected with this tool. You can make one yourself with a cassette, and use > a dental mirror. > Nakamichi found that the pad would allow the tape to squirm > azimuth-wise over the head, enough that frequency response above 15kHz was > unpredictable. If part of the pad was contacting the tape in you machine, > that would cause tape skew and perhaps damage, but less likely. The most > frequent cause of edge damage is worn pinch rollers, or misaligned guide > height. High take up torque can also damage edges, but only at the > beginning of the tape. > The pad lifter can be removed without disrupting alignment, so you could > experiment. > > tom brucker > > At 07:11 PM 4/7/06 -0500, Charles Peterson wrote: >> Recently I've worked with a couple of Naks with pad lifters, a Dragon >> and an RX-505, and I've been thinking about the pad lifters. >> >> The Dragon was malfunctioning badly. It appeared that the NAAC was not >> working at all, there was no response above 2Khz in either channel and >> in either direction. After reversing direction at the end of side A, it >> would start to wrinkle tape pretty soon and shut down. I cleaned heads, >> capstans, pinch rollers with Intraclean H (hexane) several times, and it >> didn't help. >> >> Taking a close look at the heads, it seemed to me that it was possible >> that the play head was orientated so badly that the "pad lifter" was >> hitting the tape in reverse play mode, and causing the tape to wrinkle. >> Looking at the tape, it was clear it started to wrinkle on one side, >> then got worse and worse. >> >> Thinking about this has got me wondering about the pad lifter in general >> (not just Dragon). 1) How much good does it do? and 2) Can it harm >> tape if head(s) are out of alighnment, azimuth, etc? >> >> I can see that with the Dragon it's especially difficult to get this >> correct. For bidirectional play, doesn't the head have to move >> slightly? ("up" and "down" as Nakamichi calls it in the service manual, >> though "forward" and "back" would be the more intuitive terms) >> Interestingly, Nak doesn't call attention to this little fact in >> brochures and owners manual (it's even hard to find out about it in the >> service manual), only talking about how the head has to be turned for >> correct azimuth. But clearly the head has to be moved with at least two >> degrees of freedom (up/down and azimuth). And because of the up/down >> movement, the pad lifter has to be very close to the tape to be sure it >> lifts the pressure pad in both tape travel directions. And because of >> these two factors (head movement and narrow pad-lifter opening), it >> seems quite likely to me that unless the head moving system is working >> correctly within narrow tolerances it's quite possible the Dragon pad >> lifter can become a tape eater. >> >> With my newly acquired RX-505, it seems (and looks) to me like the pad >> lifter opening can be and is slightly wider, and since the head doesn't >> normally move, there's no dynamic problem. But if the head is >> sufficiently out of static adjustment, it still seems possible to me >> that tape could get damaged. My RX-505 probably does need adjustment, >> because high frequency response varies quite a bit depending on cassette >> side. I have examined fresh tape immediately after making one pass >> through the RX-505 (on the B side), and it could be my imagination, but >> it looks to me like something could be hitting one edge of the tape from >> time to time, though not badly enough to be audibly apparent after one >> pass. But isn't *any* tape damage a matter of concern? >> >> If you look at a typical cassette tape today, you will see that the >> "pad" is cut very close to the tape. It's a wonder that pad lifters can >> work at all. And what happens with one of these closely cut pads if the >> pad gets lifted on one side, but not lifted on the other? Couldn't the >> pad lifter actually cause more harm than good with respect to wow and >> flutter if something like this happens? (Are these narrow cut pads >> actually intended to defeat pad lifters?) >> >> Are there risks of pad lifters damaging tape? Has anyone considered >> removing them? How much improvement does a properly working pad lifter >> actually make in wow and flutter? (Doesn't most of the improvement in >> better models come from double capstan transport, NOT pad lifter alone?) >> If there's any risk of tape damage, I'd be interested in having the pad >> lifter removed when my deck is rebuilt. Even if my RX-505 heads are >> aligned to perfection at first, they won't stay that way forever. >> >> Charles Peterson >> San Antonio, TX >> >> >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Apr 9 23:07:50 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:07:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi's with microphone inputs In-Reply-To: <44396F67.8090906@woods-and-waters.com> References: <0BC544A4.2BA0FBBE.00729C00@aol.com> <44396F67.8090906@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hi Kermit. I thought this box I put a link for was a simple Line-level" direct box" impedance matching device that would allow use of XLR microphones intro the rCa jacks on the back of the nakamichi ; that is, into the line in rca jacks? Are you sure this would have a nasty sound of its own?? Yes, i can see there would be no need for a tube pre-amp with the Naks. On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:32:39 -0500, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Jerry, > > jerryjg wrote: >> Hi Nigel, Would this work for you? You may need a Phantom Power supply >> for condensors and/or a Mic. tube pre-amp to sweeten up the sound a >> bit.heres the link... >> http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=245-868&ctab=14 > > Nasty sounding, there. The ART products are so-so, not greast, not > awful, but this isn't one of their better efforts. It will make your > analog tapes sound lifeless and digital. > > Actually, even though I make tube mic preamps I don't think you > necessarily need a tube preamp with a great analog deck. Analog is > already warm. Digital is the best beneficiary of the typical tube preamp. > > Most of the typical tube preamps will dull the sound of an analog deck. > If you do get a tube mic preamp for an analog recorder then it should be > one of the very few that has little or none of the typical tube > colorations, like the McCurdy AU300, Altec 458 or 459, the Pultec MB-1 > or one of my 77 series or Octavians. For the purpose, I wouldn't > recommend most of the trendy boutique preamps made today or the older > classics like the Altec 1566A, RCA BA-2 and BA-41; or my 75 series, 76 > series and Stentorian. > > If he were to buy an outboard preamp for an analog cassette, and cost is > not the prime consideration but pro sound is, then I'd recommend > something from Universal Audio, Toft Audio Designs, Seventh Circle > Audio, or a KVG Labs 77 or Octavian. > >> On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:35:24 -0500, wrote: >> >>> Can anyone let me know which decks have a facility for accepting two >>> microphones. I want a deck to tape live music at home and sometimes in >>> a class situation.Many thanks.Nigel. > -- From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 9 23:29:56 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 14:29:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? In-Reply-To: <44396BD1.8010208@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Kermit, more interesting info! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? Hi Greg, Greg Fuentes wrote: > I found the print-through discussion interesting in light of the fact > that I had recently experienced what I believe is some print-through > while listening to a DG tape on my CR-7. > > My question is this. The phenomenom occurred just prior to the > beginning of a musical passage. I know, on occasion, when listening to > an LP, I hear the same thing--a few introductory notes very faintly > played, then the actual notes as the composer intended. > > So, I wasn't sure if what I heard on the CR-7 was print-through or its > recreation of whatever occurs on certain LPs also. > > Any insight as to the reasons behind what I heard and why I hear the > faint precursors of passages on LPs? The pre-echo you're hearing is an LP suffering from "loudness disease." What you have is a disc lathe engineer who is trying to make the cut as loud as possible while trying to jam as much music onto the disc as possible. As you increase cutting amplitude the cutter stylus swings wider and move closer to the adjacent groove, narrowing the "margin" or "land" between the groove. The stylus, being a mechanical device, can actually detect the adjacent groove is they are cut too closely, and "play" them by the reflection of the vibration -- this is the same mechanism, by the way, that lets geotechnical engineers detect voids underneath a basement slab by using their percusson hammer technicque. If the disc is cut properly, the spacing between grooves is kept the same despite how "hot" the grooves are cut (despite the cutting modulation width). This does limit the play time -- the higher levels you cut the less time you can cut because of the space taken up by the cutting and the requisite spacing between adjacent grooves. So, some sloppy engineers will let the spacing between grooves get too narrow to let them put more music on the disc. See? Now you know why "supercut" audiophile LPs run only 15 to 20 minutes per side and DJ discs run only 8 to 12 minutes per side. You can squeeze 34 minutes, 15 seconds onto an LP, but only if you keep groove modulation low, highly compressed, record only in monaural and start right adfter one revoution of the lead-in and cut all the way to the lead out with no blank bands. Don't do it, though -- it sounds awful. This is why when I've cut records prefer the Scully automatic record lathe over the more popular RCA, Westrex and Neumanns. The Scully has an automatic advance (with an internal level detector and analog "timing computer" of sorts) to keep the margins (lands) between adjacent grooves the same width regardless of groove modulation or groove pitch. Later Neumann lathes also have a similar feature, provided the master tape recorder has a "pre-hear" head, which is a play head located before the erase head used to provide a control signal to the lathe to control the advance rate -- like the look-ahead feature of some software plug-ins today, only done totally analog. The Studer A80, A800, A810 and A820 have this as an option, and I think the 3M 79 and Ampex ATR-100 do as well. I'm only familiar with the Scully and Studer master decks for LP cutting, though. Wait, I do recall the ATR-100 has a pre-hear version and the 350, MR-70 and MM-1100 can be converted to it. Most of thre higher end Otaris can too, like the MR90, maybe the MX50. To tell if your LP is the culprit of the pre-echo and notthe tape, check the timing. For 33-1/3 rpm 12-inch LP, the pre-echo will vary between 700 mS and about 2 seconds, depending on where on the LP you listen. I forget the times for 45 rpm or for 10-inch 33-1/3 EPs because I never cut any 45s or EPs. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought this box I put a link for was a simple > Line-level" direct box" impedance matching device that would allow use > of XLR microphones intro the rCa jacks on the back of the nakamichi ; > that is, into the line in rca jacks? Are you sure this would have a > nasty sound of its own?? Yes, i can see there would be no need for a > tube pre-amp with the > Naks. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 10 00:12:11 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060409160914.035c32a0@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20060409221211.7973.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Marc, Those are legandary! I have the 25th annivesary re-issues. They have pretty liberal groove pitching and I play them real loud. But Midnight Sugar sounds alright... And with my all time favourite, Sibelius Testament. Perhaps because the cutting was done by RTI. Regards Bala 79Labs Marc Denis wrote: Hi Bala, I am talking about the original TBM-2523 I purchased in the late seventies. Cheers, -Marc At 12:13 04/09/2006, you wrote: >Hi Marc, > > Are you talking about the original LPs or the re-issues? > >Bala >79Labs > >Marc Denis wrote: >At 16:44 04/08/2006, you wrote: > > >When the recording engineer tries to milk the last > >second out of an LP, the land (area between grooves) > >gets very small. Instantaneous loud passages can > >cause it to all but disappear. The stylus then senses > >not only it's current groove, but also the preceding > >one (causing echo) or the next one (causing pre-echo). > >There is a very simple cure for this phenomenon: > >either toss the LP or learn to live with it (personally, > >I have always preferred the former). IME, this is a rare > >problem, though. > >Some otherwise fantastic sounding LPs exhibit this problem. One good >example is "Midnight Sugar" on the "Three Blind Mice" label. The >surface noise is virtually non existent and the dynamic range of the >piano recording is spectacular. You can definitely hear the pre-echo >of the piano when you play the thing loud enough. > > > >To differentiate between an LP echo and a cassette echo, > >time the delay between repercussions. With an LP, it's > >constant, at just under 0.5Sec. With a cassette it > >varies, depending on where in the cassette it occurs. > >Actually, I believe it is just under 2 seconds with the LP (60/33 >rather than 33/60). > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >Greg Fuentes wrote: > >>I found the print-through discussion interesting in light of the fact > >>that I had recently experienced what I believe is some print-through > >>while listening to a DG tape on my CR-7. > >>My question is this. The phenomenom occurred just prior to the > >>beginning of a musical passage. I know, on occasion, when listening to > >>an LP, I hear the same thing--a few introductory notes very faintly > >>played, then the actual notes as the composer intended. > >>So, I wasn't sure if what I heard on the CR-7 was print-through or its > >>recreation of whatever occurs on certain LPs also. > >>Any insight as to the reasons behind what I heard and why I hear the > >>faint precursors of passages on LPs? > >>Thanks. > >>GF > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Talk is cheap. 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Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gfuentes at mminternet.com Mon Apr 10 02:39:35 2006 From: gfuentes at mminternet.com (Greg Fuentes) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:39:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Print-Through and Echo/Pre-Echo In-Reply-To: <200604092235.k39MZf0e025664@zxe.naks.com> References: <200604092235.k39MZf0e025664@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4439A947.2070407@mminternet.com> Thanks, all, for the many informative responses. The commercial tape on which I was hearing the "print-through" effect was a "Walkman Classics," 86 minutes long, produced by Deutsche Grammophon. Sherlock suspects that putting in 86 minutes of music led to thinner tape, which led to the print-through. I have a very limited understanding of how record/cd/tape companies manufacture pre-recorded cassette tapes of performances that the companies have previously released on long-playing records. Am I correct in believing that any echo or pre-echo that appeared on the records would usually not be replicated on the commercial cassettes because the cassette tapes would not be exposed to what the disk lathe engineer did for the records released to the public. Would the only exceptions occur where source master disks/tapes were lost and the manufacturer created the commercial cassette by using the records created by the disk lathe engineer. If the above is nonsensical, please forgive cuz, again, I know little of the commercial record and tape recording/manufacturing process. Regards, Greg Fuentes > Hi Bala, > > I am talking about the original TBM-2523 I purchased in the late > seventies. > > Cheers, > > -Marc > > > At 12:13 04/09/2006, you wrote: >> Hi Marc, >> >> Are you talking about the original LPs or the re-issues? >> >> Bala >> 79Labs >> >> Marc Denis wrote: >> At 16:44 04/08/2006, you wrote: >> >> >When the recording engineer tries to milk the last >> >second out of an LP, the land (area between grooves) >> >gets very small. Instantaneous loud passages can >> >cause it to all but disappear. The stylus then senses >> >not only it's current groove, but also the preceding >> >one (causing echo) or the next one (causing pre-echo). >> >There is a very simple cure for this phenomenon: >> >either toss the LP or learn to live with it (personally, >> >I have always preferred the former). IME, this is a rare >> >problem, though. >> >> Some otherwise fantastic sounding LPs exhibit this problem. One good >> example is "Midnight Sugar" on the "Three Blind Mice" label. The >> surface noise is virtually non existent and the dynamic range of the >> piano recording is spectacular. You can definitely hear the pre-echo >> of the piano when you play the thing loud enough. >> >> >> >To differentiate between an LP echo and a cassette echo, >> >time the delay between repercussions. With an LP, it's >> >constant, at just under 0.5Sec. With a cassette it >> >varies, depending on where in the cassette it occurs. >> >> Actually, I believe it is just under 2 seconds with the LP (60/33 >> rather than 33/60). >> >> >> >-- Ron >> > >> > >> > >> >Greg Fuentes wrote: >> >>I found the print-through discussion interesting in light of the fact >> >>that I had recently experienced what I believe is some print-through >> >>while listening to a DG tape on my CR-7. >> >>My question is this. The phenomenom occurred just prior to the >> >>beginning of a musical passage. I know, on occasion, when listening to >> >>an LP, I hear the same thing--a few introductory notes very faintly >> >>played, then the actual notes as the composer intended. >> >>So, I wasn't sure if what I heard on the CR-7 was print-through or its >> >>recreation of whatever occurs on certain LPs also. >> >>Any insight as to the reasons behind what I heard and why I hear the >> >>faint precursors of passages on LPs? >> >>Thanks. >> >>GF > > Subject: > RE: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > From: > "Doane Hoag" > > > > Subject: > Re: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? > From: > "Kermit V. Gray" > Date: > Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:17:21 -0500 > To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: > 7bit > Precedence: > list > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > References: > <4437D362.5020005 at mminternet.com> > In-Reply-To: > <4437D362.5020005 at mminternet.com> > Reply-To: > graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > <44396BD1.8010208 at woods-and-waters.com> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Message: > 4 > > > Hi Greg, > > > The pre-echo you're hearing is an LP suffering from "loudness > disease." What you have is a disc lathe engineer who is trying to make > the cut as loud as possible while trying to jam as much music onto the > disc as possible. As you increase cutting amplitude the cutter stylus > swings wider and move closer to the adjacent groove, narrowing the > "margin" or "land" between the groove. The stylus, being a mechanical > device, can actually detect the adjacent groove is they are cut too > closely, and "play" them by the reflection of the vibration -- this is > the same mechanism, by the way, that lets geotechnical engineers > detect voids underneath a basement slab by using their percusson > hammer technicque. > > If the disc is cut properly, the spacing between grooves is kept the > same despite how "hot" the grooves are cut (despite the cutting > modulation width). This does limit the play time -- the higher levels > you cut the less time you can cut because of the space taken up by the > cutting and the requisite spacing between adjacent grooves. So, some > sloppy engineers will let the spacing between grooves get too narrow > to let them put more music on the disc. See? > > Now you know why "supercut" audiophile LPs run only 15 to 20 minutes > per side and DJ discs run only 8 to 12 minutes per side. You can > squeeze 34 minutes, 15 seconds onto an LP, but only if you keep groove > modulation low, highly compressed, record only in monaural and start > right adfter one revoution of the lead-in and cut all the way to the > lead out with no blank bands. Don't do it, though -- it sounds awful. > > This is why when I've cut records prefer the Scully automatic record > lathe over the more popular RCA, Westrex and Neumanns. The Scully has > an automatic advance (with an internal level detector and analog > "timing computer" of sorts) to keep the margins (lands) between > adjacent grooves the same width regardless of groove modulation or > groove pitch. Later Neumann lathes also have a similar feature, > provided the master tape recorder has a "pre-hear" head, which is a > play head located before the erase head used to provide a control > signal to the lathe to control the advance rate -- like the look-ahead > feature of some software plug-ins today, only done totally analog. The > Studer A80, A800, A810 and A820 have this as an option, and I think > the 3M 79 and Ampex ATR-100 do as well. I'm only familiar with the > Scully and Studer master decks for LP cutting, though. Wait, I do > recall the ATR-100 has a pre-hear version and the 350, MR-70 and > MM-1100 can be converted to it. Most of thre higher end Otaris can > too, like the MR90, maybe the MX50. > > To tell if your LP is the culprit of the pre-echo and notthe tape, > check the timing. For 33-1/3 rpm 12-inch LP, the pre-echo will vary > between 700 mS and about 2 seconds, depending on where on the LP you > listen. I forget the times for 45 rpm or for 10-inch 33-1/3 EPs > because I never cut any 45s or EPs. Kermit V. Gray > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 10 04:13:08 2006 From: bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com (Benedict Samonte) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVCs Message-ID: <20060410021308.58870.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> Hello everybody, just one of the guys behind the scenes. Learned a lot from this forum and still learning. Since we're in the topic of Nak vs JVC, what about Sony ES cassette decks? Just got a Sony TC-K870ES from ebay a few weeks ago. Was made in 1991. Manual Calibration and Bias contol (just like a ZX7/9). Record and playback quality is very good, even excellent. Compared this unit to my CR-7A and the quality is almost on par with the CR-7. It's no Nakamichi but it comes very close. Any other owners of Sony ES cassette decks out there? Opinions? Regards, Ben From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 10 06:13:27 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:13:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges Message-ID: Hi Tom! With the supplied TT 1000 old series accessories, was supplied what you named "Mirror Cassette"...but was mainly designed for check the block heads for cleaning...as on the TT 1000 series the heads are on the "Top"...reversed instead as all the others ones...per example my today in use Dragon. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges >Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:41:21 -0500 > >Charles, > You really asked some good questions. > One very useful tool is called a "mirror cassette" . The top part of a >cassette shell is cut away and the pad is removed. A narrow 5mm mirror is >placed behind the tape at 45 degrees to show a perfect view of the tape as >it travels through the guides and across the heads. Edge damage is easily >detected with this tool. You can make one yourself with a cassette, and use >a dental mirror. > Nakamichi found that the pad would allow the tape to squirm >azimuth-wise over the head, enough that frequency response above 15kHz was >unpredictable. If part of the pad was contacting the tape in you machine, >that would cause tape skew and perhaps damage, but less likely. The most >frequent cause of edge damage is worn pinch rollers, or misaligned guide >height. High take up torque can also damage edges, but only at the >beginning of the tape. >The pad lifter can be removed without disrupting alignment, so you could >experiment. > >tom brucker > >At 07:11 PM 4/7/06 -0500, Charles Peterson wrote: > >Recently I've worked with a couple of Naks with pad lifters, a Dragon > >and an RX-505, and I've been thinking about the pad lifters. > > > >The Dragon was malfunctioning badly. It appeared that the NAAC was not > >working at all, there was no response above 2Khz in either channel and > >in either direction. After reversing direction at the end of side A, it > >would start to wrinkle tape pretty soon and shut down. I cleaned heads, > >capstans, pinch rollers with Intraclean H (hexane) several times, and it > >didn't help. > > > >Taking a close look at the heads, it seemed to me that it was possible > >that the play head was orientated so badly that the "pad lifter" was > >hitting the tape in reverse play mode, and causing the tape to wrinkle. > > Looking at the tape, it was clear it started to wrinkle on one side, > >then got worse and worse. > > > >Thinking about this has got me wondering about the pad lifter in general > >(not just Dragon). 1) How much good does it do? and 2) Can it harm > >tape if head(s) are out of alighnment, azimuth, etc? > > > >I can see that with the Dragon it's especially difficult to get this > >correct. For bidirectional play, doesn't the head have to move > >slightly? ("up" and "down" as Nakamichi calls it in the service manual, > >though "forward" and "back" would be the more intuitive terms) > > Interestingly, Nak doesn't call attention to this little fact in > >brochures and owners manual (it's even hard to find out about it in the > >service manual), only talking about how the head has to be turned for > >correct azimuth. But clearly the head has to be moved with at least two > >degrees of freedom (up/down and azimuth). And because of the up/down > >movement, the pad lifter has to be very close to the tape to be sure it > >lifts the pressure pad in both tape travel directions. And because of > >these two factors (head movement and narrow pad-lifter opening), it > >seems quite likely to me that unless the head moving system is working > >correctly within narrow tolerances it's quite possible the Dragon pad > >lifter can become a tape eater. > > > >With my newly acquired RX-505, it seems (and looks) to me like the pad > >lifter opening can be and is slightly wider, and since the head doesn't > >normally move, there's no dynamic problem. But if the head is > >sufficiently out of static adjustment, it still seems possible to me > >that tape could get damaged. My RX-505 probably does need adjustment, > >because high frequency response varies quite a bit depending on cassette > >side. I have examined fresh tape immediately after making one pass > >through the RX-505 (on the B side), and it could be my imagination, but > >it looks to me like something could be hitting one edge of the tape from > >time to time, though not badly enough to be audibly apparent after one > >pass. But isn't *any* tape damage a matter of concern? > > > >If you look at a typical cassette tape today, you will see that the > >"pad" is cut very close to the tape. It's a wonder that pad lifters can > >work at all. And what happens with one of these closely cut pads if the > >pad gets lifted on one side, but not lifted on the other? Couldn't the > >pad lifter actually cause more harm than good with respect to wow and > >flutter if something like this happens? (Are these narrow cut pads > >actually intended to defeat pad lifters?) > > > >Are there risks of pad lifters damaging tape? Has anyone considered > >removing them? How much improvement does a properly working pad lifter > >actually make in wow and flutter? (Doesn't most of the improvement in > >better models come from double capstan transport, NOT pad lifter alone?) > > If there's any risk of tape damage, I'd be interested in having the pad > >lifter removed when my deck is rebuilt. Even if my RX-505 heads are > >aligned to perfection at first, they won't stay that way forever. > > > >Charles Peterson > >San Antonio, TX > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 10 09:34:24 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:34:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] "One owner" Naks Message-ID: <20060410073424.11905.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I'm carrying on from the recent thread "cassette print-through" to give my own experience of buying a used Nak. I bought my BX-300E on eBay very recently from someone who stated he was the first owner and the deck had only had light use. He described the "slipping belt" sound on rewind and I was pretty sure that the idler tire needed replacing. Turns out that was right so I was lucky there and replaced the tire to get a deck that, mechanically, runs very well indeed - especially for its age. It's a lot quieter than the Aiwa AD-WX929 that I just put into storage. Electrically, in terms of calibration and the all-important sound I think I may have struck lucky too. I have no instruments to measure anything but pretty good ears and 90% of the tapes I'm playing (prerecorded and those made on other decks) sound great. Tapes made on the Nak sound very impressive too. I paid the sterling equivalent of $115 for my deck and after the repair it's probably worth quite a bit more. I wasn't looking for a bargain - I was looking for a way to experience, for the very first time, the Nakamichi "magic" for a price I could justify. I've reached the age of 47 without ever knowing anyone who had a Nak :-( though I've known lots of audio fans. It's sad to think that people with the same aim as I had are not so lucky and end up with a deck they don't enjoy or spend a fortune to get something good. Thank God there are contributors to this list who have the knowledge to steer people clear of deals that are too good to be true. If Naks.com provided a way for enthusiasts to buy and sell with a degree of confidence I think that could be a good thing. From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Mon Apr 10 09:49:37 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:49:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVCs Message-ID: Hi Sam. You must be the "rat" who beat me outta that Sony ES deck ! I dropped out of contention a long way from the finish though.Nice score.... P.S. , I didnt just call our new friend a rat, believe me. Its an inside joke.The next ES deck? i hope you save for me though Sam ,cause youre buying up every piece of Sony gear in existence!! -- From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 10 11:21:59 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:21:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Idler re-tire job Message-ID: <21068.212.78.164.66.1144660919.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, This weekend I did my first idler-re-tire job on a classic Nak transport idler. I had this old idler with what used to be a rubber tire (amazing how strong rubber can become!). I removed this tire by gently cutting it with a sharp knife and then replaced it with a new one. The job can be done with some patience. The main difficulty is to place the new tire and prevent it from twisting, since it sits there so tight this is quite difficult to do. Before I've seen TvdH do this on an installed idler for which he had made a special tool. I also marked the idler with the re-tire date, could be useful in the future. The tire I got from Eslabs (Thanks Jeff!), they sell it, so contact Jeff if you want do do this. The time I do one I'll shoot some pictures to document the whole procedure, also on how to remove and place the idler.. Wouter From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 10 12:29:56 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:29:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] re: Idler re-tire job Message-ID: <20060410102956.74486.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Wouter I hope you had as much satisfaction when you finished this job as I did the week before. I bought a tire from a member of this list who advised me that, due to the compound used on this new tire, the hub did not need to be removed because the new tire could be stretched to fit the hub. True, as I discovered. You are right - it's hard to make the new tire sit on the rim properly. With the hub properly supported (using a toothpick in my case) I rotated the hub a little at a time and after twisting each small section of the tire, I pressed it gently against the edge of the left-hand hub table to make it sit on the rim. It's easier than it sounds... The killer question: would I do it again? Yes, tomorrow if I had to - though I hope I don't have to... Chris From N4229K at aol.com Mon Apr 10 13:41:58 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:41:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] re: Idler re-tire job Message-ID: <372.171fb2c.316b9e86@aol.com> Hey I'm glad the experts approve of my tires. I list both on ebay and glad to help anyone that needs them. I hope to have a written illustrated procedure soon for both tires. Dean Wouter I hope you had as much satisfaction when you finished this job as I did the week before. I bought a tire from a member of this list who advised me that, due to the compound used on this new tire, the hub did not need to be removed because the new tire could be stretched to fit the hub. True, as I discovered. You are right - it's hard to make the new tire sit on the rim properly. With the hub properly supported (using a toothpick in my case) I rotated the hub a little at a time and after twisting each small section of the tire, I pressed it gently against the edge of the left-hand hub table to make it sit on the rim. It's easier than it sounds... The killer question: would I do it again? Yes, tomorrow if I had to - though I hope I don't have to... Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 10 14:14:23 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:14:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Print-Through and Echo/Pre-Echo In-Reply-To: <4439A947.2070407@mminternet.com> References: <200604092235.k39MZf0e025664@zxe.naks.com> <4439A947.2070407@mminternet.com> Message-ID: <443A4C1F.5000403@rcn.com> Greg Fuentes wrote: > Thanks, all, for the many informative responses. > > The commercial tape on which I was hearing the "print-through" effect > was a "Walkman Classics," 86 minutes long, produced by Deutsche Grammophon. > > Sherlock suspects that putting in 86 minutes of music led to thinner > tape, which led to the print-through. Which requires nothing thinner than any ol' C-90 cassette. > I have a very limited understanding of how record/cd/tape companies > manufacture pre-recorded cassette tapes of performances that the > companies have previously released on long-playing records. > > Am I correct in believing that any echo or pre-echo that appeared on the > records would usually not be replicated on the commercial cassettes > because the cassette tapes would not be exposed to what the disk lathe > engineer did for the records released to the public. Yes, you are. The new format will be made from the original master tape or maybe even re-mastered from the original tape -- it has nothing to do with the previously released LP (except for the special cases where only the LP exists). > Would the only exceptions occur where source master disks/tapes were > lost and the manufacturer created the commercial cassette by using the > records created by the disk lathe engineer. That's right. I have/had one CD where this was actually stated on the package. -- Ron > If the above is nonsensical, please forgive cuz, again, I know little of > the commercial record and tape recording/manufacturing process. > > Regards, > > Greg Fuentes >> Hi Bala, >> >> I am talking about the original TBM-2523 I purchased in the late >> seventies. >> >> Cheers, >> >> -Marc >> >> >> At 12:13 04/09/2006, you wrote: >>> Hi Marc, >>> >>> Are you talking about the original LPs or the re-issues? >>> >>> Bala >>> 79Labs >>> >>> Marc Denis wrote: >>> At 16:44 04/08/2006, you wrote: >>> >>> >When the recording engineer tries to milk the last >>> >second out of an LP, the land (area between grooves) >>> >gets very small. Instantaneous loud passages can >>> >cause it to all but disappear. The stylus then senses >>> >not only it's current groove, but also the preceding >>> >one (causing echo) or the next one (causing pre-echo). >>> >There is a very simple cure for this phenomenon: >>> >either toss the LP or learn to live with it (personally, >>> >I have always preferred the former). IME, this is a rare >>> >problem, though. >>> >>> Some otherwise fantastic sounding LPs exhibit this problem. One good >>> example is "Midnight Sugar" on the "Three Blind Mice" label. The >>> surface noise is virtually non existent and the dynamic range of the >>> piano recording is spectacular. You can definitely hear the pre-echo >>> of the piano when you play the thing loud enough. >>> >>> >>> >To differentiate between an LP echo and a cassette echo, >>> >time the delay between repercussions. With an LP, it's >>> >constant, at just under 0.5Sec. With a cassette it >>> >varies, depending on where in the cassette it occurs. >>> >>> Actually, I believe it is just under 2 seconds with the LP (60/33 >>> rather than 33/60). >>> >>> >>> >-- Ron >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Greg Fuentes wrote: >>> >>I found the print-through discussion interesting in light of the fact >>> >>that I had recently experienced what I believe is some print-through >>> >>while listening to a DG tape on my CR-7. >>> >>My question is this. The phenomenom occurred just prior to the >>> >>beginning of a musical passage. I know, on occasion, when listening to >>> >>an LP, I hear the same thing--a few introductory notes very faintly >>> >>played, then the actual notes as the composer intended. >>> >>So, I wasn't sure if what I heard on the CR-7 was print-through or its >>> >>recreation of whatever occurs on certain LPs also. >>> >>Any insight as to the reasons behind what I heard and why I hear the >>> >>faint precursors of passages on LPs? >>> >>Thanks. >>> >>GF >> >> Subject: >> RE: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >> From: >> "Doane Hoag" >> >> >> >> Subject: >> Re: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? >> From: >> "Kermit V. Gray" >> Date: >> Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:17:21 -0500 >> To: >> Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: >> Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: >> 7bit >> Precedence: >> list >> MIME-Version: >> 1.0 >> References: >> <4437D362.5020005 at mminternet.com> >> In-Reply-To: >> <4437D362.5020005 at mminternet.com> >> Reply-To: >> graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Message-ID: >> <44396BD1.8010208 at woods-and-waters.com> >> Content-Type: >> text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >> Message: >> 4 >> >> >> Hi Greg, >> >> >> The pre-echo you're hearing is an LP suffering from "loudness >> disease." What you have is a disc lathe engineer who is trying to make >> the cut as loud as possible while trying to jam as much music onto the >> disc as possible. As you increase cutting amplitude the cutter stylus >> swings wider and move closer to the adjacent groove, narrowing the >> "margin" or "land" between the groove. The stylus, being a mechanical >> device, can actually detect the adjacent groove is they are cut too >> closely, and "play" them by the reflection of the vibration -- this is >> the same mechanism, by the way, that lets geotechnical engineers >> detect voids underneath a basement slab by using their percusson >> hammer technicque. >> >> If the disc is cut properly, the spacing between grooves is kept the >> same despite how "hot" the grooves are cut (despite the cutting >> modulation width). This does limit the play time -- the higher levels >> you cut the less time you can cut because of the space taken up by the >> cutting and the requisite spacing between adjacent grooves. So, some >> sloppy engineers will let the spacing between grooves get too narrow >> to let them put more music on the disc. See? >> >> Now you know why "supercut" audiophile LPs run only 15 to 20 minutes >> per side and DJ discs run only 8 to 12 minutes per side. You can >> squeeze 34 minutes, 15 seconds onto an LP, but only if you keep groove >> modulation low, highly compressed, record only in monaural and start >> right adfter one revoution of the lead-in and cut all the way to the >> lead out with no blank bands. Don't do it, though -- it sounds awful. >> >> This is why when I've cut records prefer the Scully automatic record >> lathe over the more popular RCA, Westrex and Neumanns. The Scully has >> an automatic advance (with an internal level detector and analog >> "timing computer" of sorts) to keep the margins (lands) between >> adjacent grooves the same width regardless of groove modulation or >> groove pitch. Later Neumann lathes also have a similar feature, >> provided the master tape recorder has a "pre-hear" head, which is a >> play head located before the erase head used to provide a control >> signal to the lathe to control the advance rate -- like the look-ahead >> feature of some software plug-ins today, only done totally analog. The >> Studer A80, A800, A810 and A820 have this as an option, and I think >> the 3M 79 and Ampex ATR-100 do as well. I'm only familiar with the >> Scully and Studer master decks for LP cutting, though. Wait, I do >> recall the ATR-100 has a pre-hear version and the 350, MR-70 and >> MM-1100 can be converted to it. Most of thre higher end Otaris can >> too, like the MR90, maybe the MX50. >> >> To tell if your LP is the culprit of the pre-echo and notthe tape, >> check the timing. For 33-1/3 rpm 12-inch LP, the pre-echo will vary >> between 700 mS and about 2 seconds, depending on where on the LP you >> listen. I forget the times for 45 rpm or for 10-inch 33-1/3 EPs >> because I never cut any 45s or EPs. > > Kermit V. Gray From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 10 14:18:09 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:18:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "One owner" Naks In-Reply-To: <20060410073424.11905.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060410073424.11905.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443A4D01.4040107@rcn.com> Lucky you!! Chris Mann wrote: > I'm carrying on from the recent thread "cassette > print-through" to give my own experience of buying a > used Nak. > > I bought my BX-300E on eBay very recently from someone > who stated he was the first owner and the deck had > only had light use. He described the "slipping belt" > sound on rewind and I was pretty sure that the idler > tire needed replacing. Turns out that was right so I > was lucky there and replaced the tire to get a deck > that, mechanically, runs very well indeed - especially > for its age. It's a lot quieter than the Aiwa AD-WX929 > that I just put into storage. > > Electrically, in terms of calibration and the > all-important sound I think I may have struck lucky > too. I have no instruments to measure anything but > pretty good ears and 90% of the tapes I'm playing > (prerecorded and those made on other decks) sound > great. Tapes made on the Nak sound very impressive > too. > > I paid the sterling equivalent of $115 for my deck and > after the repair it's probably worth quite a bit more. > I wasn't looking for a bargain - I was looking for a > way to experience, for the very first time, the > Nakamichi "magic" for a price I could justify. I've > reached the age of 47 without ever knowing anyone who > had a Nak :-( though I've known lots of audio fans. > > It's sad to think that people with the same aim as I > had are not so lucky and end up with a deck they don't > enjoy or spend a fortune to get something good. > > Thank God there are contributors to this list who have > the knowledge to steer people clear of deals that are > too good to be true. If Naks.com provided a way for > enthusiasts to buy and sell with a degree of > confidence I think that could be a good thing. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 10 16:02:56 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <20060410102956.74486.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060410102956.74486.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8401.212.78.164.66.1144677776.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Chris, Sounds very familiar your story! It's always nice to bring back to life a broken Nak!! Maybe I'll try the next one on a Nak with the idler mounted in it's position like you did, saves me from the stress of removing and attatching the tiny clamb. Wouter > I hope you had as much satisfaction when you finished > this job as I did the week before. > > I bought a tire from a member of this list who advised > me that, due to the compound used on this new tire, > the hub did not need to be removed because the new > tire could be stretched to fit the hub. True, as I > discovered. > > You are right - it's hard to make the new tire sit on > the rim properly. With the hub properly supported > (using a toothpick in my case) I rotated the hub a > little at a time and after twisting each small section > of the tire, I pressed it gently against the edge of > the left-hand hub table to make it sit on the rim. > It's easier than it sounds... > > The killer question: would I do it again? Yes, > tomorrow if I had to - though I hope I don't have > to... > > Chris From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 10 15:52:43 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:52:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: References: <4439017B.30500@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060410085243.00818b80@earthlink.net> Doane, What he heard he will hear on any cassette he buys, even his original deck. I suspect he has a high resolution system or electrostatic phones (cans). Dolby does modulate noise. It is very slow to decay. Play a solo piano and listen to the background. If you wanna hear bad, listen to MD solo piano. It is a joke! I love the way a critic nails the source of any perceived problem without any scientific discipline. I would sell it again as-is, but say it works great. Describe the prior experience, and your effort to hear what he described. tom brucker At 01:09 PM 4/9/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: >I agree, Ron.. I think that's why most of them give the excuse that they >can't test it out. That supposedily takes them off the hook. :~) > >I recently sold my LX5 that I had changed the orange caps in, it seemed to >be working fine and I advertised it on Ebay as being in excellent condition >with the new changed caps. Well, the guy that bought it emailed me back >after a couple of days of using it and reported that the play back of his >older tapes did not sound that great, and that during the recording, he >could hear some very slight dolby missalignment in the form of noise >pumping, or something. To make it short, he decided not to keep it and I >gave him his money back. When I got it back and spent some serious time >listening to it I could see what he was talking about, so I now have it in >the shop being aligned to Nak standards, which I wasn't able to do at home >because I don't have the equipment to do it. I refuse to sell it on Ebay and >lie about it. I would rather pay the money to have it fixed right and sell >it that way, even if I don't recover the money. I'm no saint, it's just the >right thing to do. > >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Ron >Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 5:44 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > > > >I've seen it more than once... a seller claims an >item is in good shape, but after paying for it >and getting it in, it turns out the seller has >lied -- it's a dog. > >I can't accept the attitude that this is to be >expected, that it's normal, that Nak decks are >old and therefore, expected to have a problem >regardless of what the seller promised. To me, >this has nothing to do with Naks. It has to do >with sleazy, despicable sellers that will lie and >cheat to make a few bucks; sometimes, very few >bucks. I've had a seller on ebay run away with >my money -- all 17 dollars of it -- and never >ship the product. What kind of a person debases >itself for $17? > >People's complacency only encourages scammers. >They know they can get away with it, because, >hey, the item is old and therefore, the buyer >shouldn't have believed their lies. He has no >one to blame but himself. > >Think again. By tolerating scams, you are >encouraging scammers. > >-- Ron > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >> Bravo Doane! >> >> You are for me 100% correct...for me 99% of the Nak decks sold on >> eBay...are "Defectives"...in any way! For so...I never will acquire any >> Nak from Ebay/Audiogon...etc!. >> >> Be well, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: "Doane Hoag" >>> Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>> To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> , >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >>> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:27:50 -0700 >>> >>> >>> What always gets me is the, "we have no way of testing it, but we >>> plugged it >>> in and the lights come on .." and maybe they will add, "and the reel hubs >>> turn when we push the rewind button.." etc. How hard is it to try every >>> function out and play back a tape and record a tape to see if everything >>> does work? >>> >>> Of course, they will often add, "I don't have the manual or know anything >>> about how to use this so I couldn't test it.." OK, I can see how, if you >>> didn't have the manual, you might not know how to set up the user >>> adjustable >>> bias, levels, azimuth on Naks that have that, but recording and playback >>> doesn't take a rocket scientist degree. >>> >>> The other one that kills me is when some seller makes a statement about a >>> 1980s or earlier Nak like this, "I am the original owner" ...OK, that's >>> possible, doesn't really mean anything though, does it? and then maybe >>> they >>> will add, "I've only used this deck a little bit, it probably only has >>> about >>> 200 hours of use.." Sure, right, so it was just bought as a shelf >>> ornament, >>> and has been sitting there for over 20 years, Right!... >>> >>> I would guess that 95% of the old decks being sold have some major >>> problem >>> that will need to be fixed to get them back up to spec. >>> >>> Doane. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> Behalf Of Ron >>> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:12 AM >>> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >>> >>> >>> Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>> > I'm laughing so hard I can barely type! You mean if I told you my >>> > Wollensak beats a Dragon, you wouldn't believe me! You know, it amazes >>> > me how many eBay sellers will describe some non-Nakamichi cassette >>> deck, >>> > often a midrange model with few features, (or worse, something like an >>> > Akai, low-end Technics, Pioneer or Sankyo) as "I don't have a tape to >>> > test it out but it worked perfectly the last time I used it. This deck >>> > is awesome...it beats the Dragon." >>> >>> You neglected to mention the "I plugged it in >>> and the light came on, so I am sure it's working >>> perfectly" crowd. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> Uh-huh. Sure it does. >>> > >>> > >>> > Doane Hoag wrote: >>> >> Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... >>> >> Doane >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] >>> >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM >>> >> To: rob at rhoag.com >>> >> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Yo, Doane, >>> >> >>> >> You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, >>> >> 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) >>> >> >>> >> Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the >>> >> burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy >>> >> Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light >>> >> show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision >>> >> calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the >>> >> factory worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the >>> >> convenience of its wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth >>> >> un-alignment feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned >>> >> with this deck -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have >>> >> when you play a tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety >>> >> is the spice of life, yes? >>> >> >>> >> In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you >>> >> can have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) >>> >> 2551AV. Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its >>> >> built in oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode >>> >> amp guys use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig >>> >> cassettes dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. >>> >> >>> >> I can sense your growing excitement here. >>> >> >>> >> Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\doane1.vcf" >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 10 16:07:25 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:07:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060410090725.00827100@earthlink.net> Alex, The mirror cassette keeps the tape in it, and is used for tape travelling check. What you describe is an empty cassette with a mirror in it. Teac MTT-902 is the one I use. tom brucker At 04:13 AM 4/10/06 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Tom! > >With the supplied TT 1000 old series accessories, was supplied what you >named "Mirror Cassette"...but was mainly designed for check the block heads >for cleaning...as on the TT 1000 series the heads are on the >"Top"...reversed instead as all the others ones...per example my today in >use Dragon. > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Hi Tech >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >>naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges >>Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:41:21 -0500 >> >>Charles, >> You really asked some good questions. >> One very useful tool is called a "mirror cassette" . The top part of a >>cassette shell is cut away and the pad is removed. A narrow 5mm mirror is >>placed behind the tape at 45 degrees to show a perfect view of the tape as >>it travels through the guides and across the heads. Edge damage is easily >>detected with this tool. You can make one yourself with a cassette, and use >>a dental mirror. >> Nakamichi found that the pad would allow the tape to squirm >>azimuth-wise over the head, enough that frequency response above 15kHz was >>unpredictable. If part of the pad was contacting the tape in you machine, >>that would cause tape skew and perhaps damage, but less likely. The most >>frequent cause of edge damage is worn pinch rollers, or misaligned guide >>height. High take up torque can also damage edges, but only at the >>beginning of the tape. >>The pad lifter can be removed without disrupting alignment, so you could >>experiment. >> >>tom brucker >> >>At 07:11 PM 4/7/06 -0500, Charles Peterson wrote: >> >Recently I've worked with a couple of Naks with pad lifters, a Dragon >> >and an RX-505, and I've been thinking about the pad lifters. >> > >> >The Dragon was malfunctioning badly. It appeared that the NAAC was not >> >working at all, there was no response above 2Khz in either channel and >> >in either direction. After reversing direction at the end of side A, it >> >would start to wrinkle tape pretty soon and shut down. I cleaned heads, >> >capstans, pinch rollers with Intraclean H (hexane) several times, and it >> >didn't help. >> > >> >Taking a close look at the heads, it seemed to me that it was possible >> >that the play head was orientated so badly that the "pad lifter" was >> >hitting the tape in reverse play mode, and causing the tape to wrinkle. >> > Looking at the tape, it was clear it started to wrinkle on one side, >> >then got worse and worse. >> > >> >Thinking about this has got me wondering about the pad lifter in general >> >(not just Dragon). 1) How much good does it do? and 2) Can it harm >> >tape if head(s) are out of alighnment, azimuth, etc? >> > >> >I can see that with the Dragon it's especially difficult to get this >> >correct. For bidirectional play, doesn't the head have to move >> >slightly? ("up" and "down" as Nakamichi calls it in the service manual, >> >though "forward" and "back" would be the more intuitive terms) >> > Interestingly, Nak doesn't call attention to this little fact in >> >brochures and owners manual (it's even hard to find out about it in the >> >service manual), only talking about how the head has to be turned for >> >correct azimuth. But clearly the head has to be moved with at least two >> >degrees of freedom (up/down and azimuth). And because of the up/down >> >movement, the pad lifter has to be very close to the tape to be sure it >> >lifts the pressure pad in both tape travel directions. And because of >> >these two factors (head movement and narrow pad-lifter opening), it >> >seems quite likely to me that unless the head moving system is working >> >correctly within narrow tolerances it's quite possible the Dragon pad >> >lifter can become a tape eater. >> > >> >With my newly acquired RX-505, it seems (and looks) to me like the pad >> >lifter opening can be and is slightly wider, and since the head doesn't >> >normally move, there's no dynamic problem. But if the head is >> >sufficiently out of static adjustment, it still seems possible to me >> >that tape could get damaged. My RX-505 probably does need adjustment, >> >because high frequency response varies quite a bit depending on cassette >> >side. I have examined fresh tape immediately after making one pass >> >through the RX-505 (on the B side), and it could be my imagination, but >> >it looks to me like something could be hitting one edge of the tape from >> >time to time, though not badly enough to be audibly apparent after one >> >pass. But isn't *any* tape damage a matter of concern? >> > >> >If you look at a typical cassette tape today, you will see that the >> >"pad" is cut very close to the tape. It's a wonder that pad lifters can >> >work at all. And what happens with one of these closely cut pads if the >> >pad gets lifted on one side, but not lifted on the other? Couldn't the >> >pad lifter actually cause more harm than good with respect to wow and >> >flutter if something like this happens? (Are these narrow cut pads >> >actually intended to defeat pad lifters?) >> > >> >Are there risks of pad lifters damaging tape? Has anyone considered >> >removing them? How much improvement does a properly working pad lifter >> >actually make in wow and flutter? (Doesn't most of the improvement in >> >better models come from double capstan transport, NOT pad lifter alone?) >> > If there's any risk of tape damage, I'd be interested in having the pad >> >lifter removed when my deck is rebuilt. Even if my RX-505 heads are >> >aligned to perfection at first, they won't stay that way forever. >> > >> >Charles Peterson >> >San Antonio, TX >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 10 16:13:44 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <21068.212.78.164.66.1144660919.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060410091344.0081a350@earthlink.net> Wouter, What does ESL charge for the tire? I hear they are $$. Mine are really cheap, and I have traditionally marked them up about the way I mark up fuses ($$$). I think I need a NakTalk special price. I don't want to interfere with ESL's business especially if they are NakTalk members as they made a considerable investment to keep Nak going. tom brucker At 11:21 AM 4/10/06 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >This weekend I did my first idler-re-tire job on a classic Nak transport >idler. I had this old idler with what used to be a rubber tire (amazing >how strong rubber can become!). I removed this tire by gently cutting it >with a sharp knife and then replaced it with a new one. >The job can be done with some patience. The main difficulty is to place >the new tire and prevent it from twisting, since it sits there so tight >this is quite difficult to do. Before I've seen TvdH do this on an >installed idler for which he had made a special tool. I also marked the >idler with the re-tire date, could be useful in the future. > >The tire I got from Eslabs (Thanks Jeff!), they sell it, so contact Jeff >if you want do do this. >The time I do one I'll shoot some pictures to document the whole >procedure, also on how to remove and place the idler.. > >Wouter > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 10 16:08:16 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:08:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVCs In-Reply-To: <20060410021308.58870.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060410090816.0081d1a0@earthlink.net> Can you say "ferrite"? tom brucker At 07:13 PM 4/9/06 -0700, Benedict Samonte wrote: >Hello everybody, just one of the guys behind the scenes. Learned a lot from this forum and still learning. Since we're in the topic of Nak vs JVC, what about Sony ES cassette decks? Just got a Sony TC-K870ES from ebay a few weeks ago. Was made in 1991. Manual Calibration and Bias contol (just like a ZX7/9). Record and playback quality is very good, even excellent. Compared this unit to my CR-7A and the quality is almost on par with the CR-7. It's no Nakamichi but it comes very close. Any other owners of Sony ES cassette decks out there? Opinions? >Regards, >Ben >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From gfuentes at mminternet.com Mon Apr 10 17:24:47 2006 From: gfuentes at mminternet.com (Greg Fuentes) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:24:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Print-Through Followup In-Reply-To: <200604101454.k3AErkag029079@zxe.naks.com> References: <200604101454.k3AErkag029079@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <443A78BF.8020300@mminternet.com> Thanks again. I'll listen closely to determine if I hear print-through on some of the 100 min TDK tapes I used for recording several years ago, or on 120 minute tapes I receive from a local govt when I make public records act requests concerning public meetings. Regards, Gallego > Greg Fuentes wrote: > >> Thanks, all, for the many informative responses. >> >> The commercial tape on which I was hearing the "print-through" effect >> was a "Walkman Classics," 86 minutes long, produced by Deutsche Grammophon. >> >> Sherlock suspects that putting in 86 minutes of music led to thinner >> tape, which led to the print-through. >> > > Which requires nothing thinner than any ol' C-90 > cassette. > > >> I have a very limited understanding of how record/cd/tape companies >> manufacture pre-recorded cassette tapes of performances that the >> companies have previously released on long-playing records. >> >> Am I correct in believing that any echo or pre-echo that appeared on the >> records would usually not be replicated on the commercial cassettes >> because the cassette tapes would not be exposed to what the disk lathe >> engineer did for the records released to the public. >> > > Yes, you are. The new format will be made from > the original master tape or maybe even re-mastered > from the original tape -- it has nothing to do > with the previously released LP (except for the > special cases where only the LP exists). > > >> Would the only exceptions occur where source master disks/tapes were >> lost and the manufacturer created the commercial cassette by using the >> records created by the disk lathe engineer. >> > > That's right. I have/had one CD where this was > actually stated on the package. > > -- Ron > >>> Hi Bala, >>> >>> I am talking about the original TBM-2523 I purchased in the late >>> seventies. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> -Marc >>> >>> >>> At 12:13 04/09/2006, you wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Marc, >>>> >>>> Are you talking about the original LPs or the re-issues? >>>> >>>> Bala >>>> 79Labs >>>> >>>> Marc Denis wrote: >>>> At 16:44 04/08/2006, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> When the recording engineer tries to milk the last >>>>> second out of an LP, the land (area between grooves) >>>>> gets very small. Instantaneous loud passages can >>>>> cause it to all but disappear. The stylus then senses >>>>> not only it's current groove, but also the preceding >>>>> one (causing echo) or the next one (causing pre-echo). >>>>> There is a very simple cure for this phenomenon: >>>>> either toss the LP or learn to live with it (personally, >>>>> I have always preferred the former). IME, this is a rare >>>>> problem, though. >>>>> >>>> Some otherwise fantastic sounding LPs exhibit this problem. One good >>>> example is "Midnight Sugar" on the "Three Blind Mice" label. The >>>> surface noise is virtually non existent and the dynamic range of the >>>> piano recording is spectacular. You can definitely hear the pre-echo >>>> of the piano when you play the thing loud enough. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> To differentiate between an LP echo and a cassette echo, >>>>> time the delay between repercussions. With an LP, it's >>>>> constant, at just under 0.5Sec. With a cassette it >>>>> varies, depending on where in the cassette it occurs. >>>>> >>>> Actually, I believe it is just under 2 seconds with the LP (60/33 >>>> rather than 33/60). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Greg Fuentes wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I found the print-through discussion interesting in light of the fact >>>>>> that I had recently experienced what I believe is some print-through >>>>>> while listening to a DG tape on my CR-7. >>>>>> My question is this. The phenomenom occurred just prior to the >>>>>> beginning of a musical passage. I know, on occasion, when listening to >>>>>> an LP, I hear the same thing--a few introductory notes very faintly >>>>>> played, then the actual notes as the composer intended. >>>>>> So, I wasn't sure if what I heard on the CR-7 was print-through or its >>>>>> recreation of whatever occurs on certain LPs also. >>>>>> Any insight as to the reasons behind what I heard and why I hear the >>>>>> faint precursors of passages on LPs? >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> GF >>>>>> >>> Subject: >>> RE: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >>> From: >>> "Doane Hoag" >>> >>> >>> >>> Subject: >>> Re: [naktalk] LP Print-Through? >>> From: >>> "Kermit V. Gray" >>> Date: >>> Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:17:21 -0500 >>> To: >>> Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>> To: >>> Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Greg, >>> >>> >>> The pre-echo you're hearing is an LP suffering from "loudness >>> disease." What you have is a disc lathe engineer who is trying to make >>> the cut as loud as possible while trying to jam as much music onto the >>> disc as possible. As you increase cutting amplitude the cutter stylus >>> swings wider and move closer to the adjacent groove, narrowing the >>> "margin" or "land" between the groove. The stylus, being a mechanical >>> device, can actually detect the adjacent groove is they are cut too >>> closely, and "play" them by the reflection of the vibration -- this is >>> the same mechanism, by the way, that lets geotechnical engineers >>> detect voids underneath a basement slab by using their percusson >>> hammer technicque. >>> >>> If the disc is cut properly, the spacing between grooves is kept the >>> same despite how "hot" the grooves are cut (despite the cutting >>> modulation width). This does limit the play time -- the higher levels >>> you cut the less time you can cut because of the space taken up by the >>> cutting and the requisite spacing between adjacent grooves. So, some >>> sloppy engineers will let the spacing between grooves get too narrow >>> to let them put more music on the disc. See? >>> >>> Now you know why "supercut" audiophile LPs run only 15 to 20 minutes >>> per side and DJ discs run only 8 to 12 minutes per side. You can >>> squeeze 34 minutes, 15 seconds onto an LP, but only if you keep groove >>> modulation low, highly compressed, record only in monaural and start >>> right adfter one revoution of the lead-in and cut all the way to the >>> lead out with no blank bands. Don't do it, though -- it sounds awful. >>> >>> This is why when I've cut records prefer the Scully automatic record >>> lathe over the more popular RCA, Westrex and Neumanns. The Scully has >>> an automatic advance (with an internal level detector and analog >>> "timing computer" of sorts) to keep the margins (lands) between >>> adjacent grooves the same width regardless of groove modulation or >>> groove pitch. Later Neumann lathes also have a similar feature, >>> provided the master tape recorder has a "pre-hear" head, which is a >>> play head located before the erase head used to provide a control >>> signal to the lathe to control the advance rate -- like the look-ahead >>> feature of some software plug-ins today, only done totally analog. The >>> Studer A80, A800, A810 and A820 have this as an option, and I think >>> the 3M 79 and Ampex ATR-100 do as well. I'm only familiar with the >>> Scully and Studer master decks for LP cutting, though. Wait, I do >>> recall the ATR-100 has a pre-hear version and the 350, MR-70 and >>> MM-1100 can be converted to it. Most of thre higher end Otaris can >>> too, like the MR90, maybe the MX50. >>> >>> To tell if your LP is the culprit of the pre-echo and notthe tape, >>> check the timing. For 33-1/3 rpm 12-inch LP, the pre-echo will vary >>> between 700 mS and about 2 seconds, depending on where on the LP you >>> listen. I forget the times for 45 rpm or for 10-inch 33-1/3 EPs >>> because I never cut any 45s or EPs. >>> >> Kermit V. Gray >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 10 18:30:00 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:30:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060410091344.0081a350@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060410091344.0081a350@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <443A8808.50305@xs4all.nl> Hi Tom, They sell for $9.95 plus shipping and handling. I think it's a good price since it's a small but vital part that needs replacement every few years, it could bring a 'broken' deck alive again! Having this job done by a tech costs much more.. been there done that! People may find ESL expensive but Nak parts are rare and the technicians to do a good repair also! For that reason I hope Stephen Sank will return again and join us again! Stephen?? Wouter Hi Tech wrote: > Wouter, > What does ESL charge for the tire? I hear they are $$. Mine are really > cheap, and I have traditionally marked them up about the way I mark up > fuses ($$$). I think I need a NakTalk special price. I don't want to > interfere with ESL's business especially if they are NakTalk members as > they made a considerable investment to keep Nak going. > > tom brucker > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 10 17:26:53 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:26:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges Message-ID: Hi Tom! Just I sent you some digitally photos that I made yet, which will show you the existence of a Nakamichi cleaning Mirror" cassette...supplied with the Tri Tracer 1000 & 1000/ll decks. Your input...please Tom after seeing my photos! Thank you very heart fully, ALEX! >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges >Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:07:25 -0500 > >Alex, > The mirror cassette keeps the tape in it, and is used for tape >travelling >check. What you describe is an empty cassette with a mirror in it. Teac >MTT-902 is the one I use. > >tom brucker > >At 04:13 AM 4/10/06 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi Tom! > > > >With the supplied TT 1000 old series accessories, was supplied what you > >named "Mirror Cassette"...but was mainly designed for check the block >heads > >for cleaning...as on the TT 1000 series the heads are on the > >"Top"...reversed instead as all the others ones...per example my today in > >use Dragon. > > > >Cheers, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Hi Tech > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > >>naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges > >>Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:41:21 -0500 > >> > >>Charles, > >> You really asked some good questions. > >> One very useful tool is called a "mirror cassette" . The top part of >a > >>cassette shell is cut away and the pad is removed. A narrow 5mm mirror >is > >>placed behind the tape at 45 degrees to show a perfect view of the tape >as > >>it travels through the guides and across the heads. Edge damage is >easily > >>detected with this tool. You can make one yourself with a cassette, and >use > >>a dental mirror. > >> Nakamichi found that the pad would allow the tape to squirm > >>azimuth-wise over the head, enough that frequency response above 15kHz >was > >>unpredictable. If part of the pad was contacting the tape in you >machine, > >>that would cause tape skew and perhaps damage, but less likely. The most > >>frequent cause of edge damage is worn pinch rollers, or misaligned guide > >>height. High take up torque can also damage edges, but only at the > >>beginning of the tape. > >>The pad lifter can be removed without disrupting alignment, so you could > >>experiment. > >> > >>tom brucker > >> > >>At 07:11 PM 4/7/06 -0500, Charles Peterson wrote: > >> >Recently I've worked with a couple of Naks with pad lifters, a Dragon > >> >and an RX-505, and I've been thinking about the pad lifters. > >> > > >> >The Dragon was malfunctioning badly. It appeared that the NAAC was >not > >> >working at all, there was no response above 2Khz in either channel and > >> >in either direction. After reversing direction at the end of side A, >it > >> >would start to wrinkle tape pretty soon and shut down. I cleaned >heads, > >> >capstans, pinch rollers with Intraclean H (hexane) several times, and >it > >> >didn't help. > >> > > >> >Taking a close look at the heads, it seemed to me that it was possible > >> >that the play head was orientated so badly that the "pad lifter" was > >> >hitting the tape in reverse play mode, and causing the tape to >wrinkle. > >> > Looking at the tape, it was clear it started to wrinkle on one side, > >> >then got worse and worse. > >> > > >> >Thinking about this has got me wondering about the pad lifter in >general > >> >(not just Dragon). 1) How much good does it do? and 2) Can it harm > >> >tape if head(s) are out of alighnment, azimuth, etc? > >> > > >> >I can see that with the Dragon it's especially difficult to get this > >> >correct. For bidirectional play, doesn't the head have to move > >> >slightly? ("up" and "down" as Nakamichi calls it in the service >manual, > >> >though "forward" and "back" would be the more intuitive terms) > >> > Interestingly, Nak doesn't call attention to this little fact in > >> >brochures and owners manual (it's even hard to find out about it in >the > >> >service manual), only talking about how the head has to be turned for > >> >correct azimuth. But clearly the head has to be moved with at least >two > >> >degrees of freedom (up/down and azimuth). And because of the up/down > >> >movement, the pad lifter has to be very close to the tape to be sure >it > >> >lifts the pressure pad in both tape travel directions. And because of > >> >these two factors (head movement and narrow pad-lifter opening), it > >> >seems quite likely to me that unless the head moving system is working > >> >correctly within narrow tolerances it's quite possible the Dragon pad > >> >lifter can become a tape eater. > >> > > >> >With my newly acquired RX-505, it seems (and looks) to me like the pad > >> >lifter opening can be and is slightly wider, and since the head >doesn't > >> >normally move, there's no dynamic problem. But if the head is > >> >sufficiently out of static adjustment, it still seems possible to me > >> >that tape could get damaged. My RX-505 probably does need adjustment, > >> >because high frequency response varies quite a bit depending on >cassette > >> >side. I have examined fresh tape immediately after making one pass > >> >through the RX-505 (on the B side), and it could be my imagination, >but > >> >it looks to me like something could be hitting one edge of the tape >from > >> >time to time, though not badly enough to be audibly apparent after one > >> >pass. But isn't *any* tape damage a matter of concern? > >> > > >> >If you look at a typical cassette tape today, you will see that the > >> >"pad" is cut very close to the tape. It's a wonder that pad lifters >can > >> >work at all. And what happens with one of these closely cut pads if >the > >> >pad gets lifted on one side, but not lifted on the other? Couldn't >the > >> >pad lifter actually cause more harm than good with respect to wow and > >> >flutter if something like this happens? (Are these narrow cut pads > >> >actually intended to defeat pad lifters?) > >> > > >> >Are there risks of pad lifters damaging tape? Has anyone considered > >> >removing them? How much improvement does a properly working pad >lifter > >> >actually make in wow and flutter? (Doesn't most of the improvement in > >> >better models come from double capstan transport, NOT pad lifter >alone?) > >> > If there's any risk of tape damage, I'd be interested in having the >pad > >> >lifter removed when my deck is rebuilt. Even if my RX-505 heads are > >> >aligned to perfection at first, they won't stay that way forever. > >> > > >> >Charles Peterson > >> >San Antonio, TX > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >>Tom Brucker CSM > >>Hi Tech Service > >>2934 Nolensville Rd. > >>Nashville, TN 37211 > >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 10 19:00:12 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:00:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060410090725.00827100@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060410090725.00827100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <443A8F1C.7040405@rcn.com> Very useful device. Years ago, someone on this list described how to make one and posted some pictures. Following the gentleman's advice I did make one (but without the mirror -- it works quite nicely as is) and found it useful on quite a few occasions. -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > Alex, > The mirror cassette keeps the tape in it, and is used for tape travelling > check. What you describe is an empty cassette with a mirror in it. Teac > MTT-902 is the one I use. > > tom brucker > > At 04:13 AM 4/10/06 +0000, you wrote: >> Hi Tom! >> >> With the supplied TT 1000 old series accessories, was supplied what you >> named "Mirror Cassette"...but was mainly designed for check the block heads >> for cleaning...as on the TT 1000 series the heads are on the >> "Top"...reversed instead as all the others ones...per example my today in >> use Dragon. >> >> Cheers, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Hi Tech >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >>> naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges >>> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:41:21 -0500 >>> >>> Charles, >>> You really asked some good questions. >>> One very useful tool is called a "mirror cassette" . The top part of a >>> cassette shell is cut away and the pad is removed. A narrow 5mm mirror is >>> placed behind the tape at 45 degrees to show a perfect view of the tape as >>> it travels through the guides and across the heads. Edge damage is easily >>> detected with this tool. You can make one yourself with a cassette, and use >>> a dental mirror. >>> Nakamichi found that the pad would allow the tape to squirm >>> azimuth-wise over the head, enough that frequency response above 15kHz was >>> unpredictable. If part of the pad was contacting the tape in you machine, >>> that would cause tape skew and perhaps damage, but less likely. The most >>> frequent cause of edge damage is worn pinch rollers, or misaligned guide >>> height. High take up torque can also damage edges, but only at the >>> beginning of the tape. >>> The pad lifter can be removed without disrupting alignment, so you could >>> experiment. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> At 07:11 PM 4/7/06 -0500, Charles Peterson wrote: >>>> Recently I've worked with a couple of Naks with pad lifters, a Dragon >>>> and an RX-505, and I've been thinking about the pad lifters. >>>> >>>> The Dragon was malfunctioning badly. It appeared that the NAAC was not >>>> working at all, there was no response above 2Khz in either channel and >>>> in either direction. After reversing direction at the end of side A, it >>>> would start to wrinkle tape pretty soon and shut down. I cleaned heads, >>>> capstans, pinch rollers with Intraclean H (hexane) several times, and it >>>> didn't help. >>>> >>>> Taking a close look at the heads, it seemed to me that it was possible >>>> that the play head was orientated so badly that the "pad lifter" was >>>> hitting the tape in reverse play mode, and causing the tape to wrinkle. >>>> Looking at the tape, it was clear it started to wrinkle on one side, >>>> then got worse and worse. >>>> >>>> Thinking about this has got me wondering about the pad lifter in general >>>> (not just Dragon). 1) How much good does it do? and 2) Can it harm >>>> tape if head(s) are out of alighnment, azimuth, etc? >>>> >>>> I can see that with the Dragon it's especially difficult to get this >>>> correct. For bidirectional play, doesn't the head have to move >>>> slightly? ("up" and "down" as Nakamichi calls it in the service manual, >>>> though "forward" and "back" would be the more intuitive terms) >>>> Interestingly, Nak doesn't call attention to this little fact in >>>> brochures and owners manual (it's even hard to find out about it in the >>>> service manual), only talking about how the head has to be turned for >>>> correct azimuth. But clearly the head has to be moved with at least two >>>> degrees of freedom (up/down and azimuth). And because of the up/down >>>> movement, the pad lifter has to be very close to the tape to be sure it >>>> lifts the pressure pad in both tape travel directions. And because of >>>> these two factors (head movement and narrow pad-lifter opening), it >>>> seems quite likely to me that unless the head moving system is working >>>> correctly within narrow tolerances it's quite possible the Dragon pad >>>> lifter can become a tape eater. >>>> >>>> With my newly acquired RX-505, it seems (and looks) to me like the pad >>>> lifter opening can be and is slightly wider, and since the head doesn't >>>> normally move, there's no dynamic problem. But if the head is >>>> sufficiently out of static adjustment, it still seems possible to me >>>> that tape could get damaged. My RX-505 probably does need adjustment, >>>> because high frequency response varies quite a bit depending on cassette >>>> side. I have examined fresh tape immediately after making one pass >>>> through the RX-505 (on the B side), and it could be my imagination, but >>>> it looks to me like something could be hitting one edge of the tape from >>>> time to time, though not badly enough to be audibly apparent after one >>>> pass. But isn't *any* tape damage a matter of concern? >>>> >>>> If you look at a typical cassette tape today, you will see that the >>>> "pad" is cut very close to the tape. It's a wonder that pad lifters can >>>> work at all. And what happens with one of these closely cut pads if the >>>> pad gets lifted on one side, but not lifted on the other? Couldn't the >>>> pad lifter actually cause more harm than good with respect to wow and >>>> flutter if something like this happens? (Are these narrow cut pads >>>> actually intended to defeat pad lifters?) >>>> >>>> Are there risks of pad lifters damaging tape? Has anyone considered >>>> removing them? How much improvement does a properly working pad lifter >>>> actually make in wow and flutter? (Doesn't most of the improvement in >>>> better models come from double capstan transport, NOT pad lifter alone?) >>>> If there's any risk of tape damage, I'd be interested in having the pad >>>> lifter removed when my deck is rebuilt. Even if my RX-505 heads are >>>> aligned to perfection at first, they won't stay that way forever. >>>> >>>> Charles Peterson >>>> San Antonio, TX >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> Tom Brucker CSM >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From johnn380 at comcast.net Mon Apr 10 19:47:21 2006 From: johnn380 at comcast.net (johnn380 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:47:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Part of an Ad for a 680zx Message-ID: <041020061747.6122.443A9A2400035197000017EA2206998499CFC8CC0202080106@comcast.net> Speaking of Seller's Descriptions: You are bidding on a Nakamichi 680zx Discrete Head Cassette Tape Deck. Audiophiles will remember this unit as the one that got pulled from the market due to the fact that it made PERFECT copies of tapes with zero loss in sound quality from the original tape. To perfect for the recording industry, so it was banned! The 680ZX comes with an assortment of automated and manual calibration controls, including adjustable azimuth and bias recording adjustment, Dolby noise reduction, two speed record/playback (whew!!!), extra durable tape transport system with dual capstan drive, and discrete record/monitor/playback head system. Some of the most precise technical specifications Nakamichi ever designed into a commercial cassette deck. This is an extrordinary component, one of Nakamichi's finest and cost effective when considering a $2000 retail price during the early 1980's! The serial # on this model is : 003791 and the F # is 08888 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Apr 10 21:49:28 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:49:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Part of an Ad for a 680zx References: <041020061747.6122.443A9A2400035197000017EA2206998499CFC8CC0202080106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004001c65cd7$e12ec2e0$877b8d56@compaq> Thats what a good imagination and a BS in marketing will do then!!! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: johnn380 at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] Part of an Ad for a 680zx Speaking of Seller's Descriptions: You are bidding on a Nakamichi 680zx Discrete Head Cassette Tape Deck. Audiophiles will remember this unit as the one that got pulled from the market due to the fact that it made PERFECT copies of tapes with zero loss in sound quality from the original tape. To perfect for the recording industry, so it was banned! The 680ZX comes with an assortment of automated and manual calibration controls, including adjustable azimuth and bias recording adjustment, Dolby noise reduction, two speed record/playback (whew!!!), extra durable tape transport system with dual capstan drive, and discrete record/monitor/playback head system. Some of the most precise technical specifications Nakamichi ever designed into a commercial cassette deck. This is an extrordinary component, one of Nakamichi's finest and cost effective when considering a $2000 retail price during the early 1980's! 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 11 01:08:49 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:08:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <443A8808.50305@xs4all.nl> References: <3.0.3.32.20060410091344.0081a350@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060410091344.0081a350@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060410180849.00818640@earthlink.net> The ESL prices are high IMO. The original Nak part was the wheel, so I assume this is tire and wheel, not just tire. I suppose this is a free world, but I don't want to destroy relationships. How many Nak Talk members are there? Are we highly interested, but a small number, and therefore below ESL's radar, or are we a key customer group? Dean told me his price and it seems fair. I would recommend Dean as a tire source. tom brucker At 06:30 PM 4/10/06 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Tom, >They sell for $9.95 plus shipping and handling. >I think it's a good price since it's a small but vital part that needs >replacement every few years, it could bring a 'broken' deck alive again! >Having this job done by a tech costs much more.. been there done that! >People may find ESL expensive but Nak parts are rare and the technicians >to do a good repair also! For that reason I hope Stephen Sank will >return again and join us again! Stephen?? > >Wouter > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Wouter, >> What does ESL charge for the tire? I hear they are $$. Mine are really >> cheap, and I have traditionally marked them up about the way I mark up >> fuses ($$$). I think I need a NakTalk special price. I don't want to >> interfere with ESL's business especially if they are NakTalk members as >> they made a considerable investment to keep Nak going. >> >> tom brucker >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 11 01:10:36 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:10:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060410181036.00818640@earthlink.net> Alex, I sent something privately. This is a different device than the Teac mirror cassette. I need to get my camera software installed at work. tom At 03:26 PM 4/10/06 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Tom! > >Just I sent you some digitally photos that I made yet, which will show you >the existence of a Nakamichi cleaning Mirror" cassette...supplied with the >Tri Tracer 1000 & 1000/ll decks. > >Your input...please Tom after seeing my photos! > >Thank you very heart fully, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Hi Tech >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges >>Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:07:25 -0500 >> >>Alex, >> The mirror cassette keeps the tape in it, and is used for tape >>travelling >>check. What you describe is an empty cassette with a mirror in it. Teac >>MTT-902 is the one I use. >> >>tom brucker >> >>At 04:13 AM 4/10/06 +0000, you wrote: >> >Hi Tom! >> > >> >With the supplied TT 1000 old series accessories, was supplied what you >> >named "Mirror Cassette"...but was mainly designed for check the block >>heads >> >for cleaning...as on the TT 1000 series the heads are on the >> >"Top"...reversed instead as all the others ones...per example my today in >> >use Dragon. >> > >> >Cheers, >> > >> >ALEX! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>From: Hi Tech >> >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >> >>naktalk at naks.com >> >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges >> >>Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:41:21 -0500 >> >> >> >>Charles, >> >> You really asked some good questions. >> >> One very useful tool is called a "mirror cassette" . The top part of >>a >> >>cassette shell is cut away and the pad is removed. A narrow 5mm mirror >>is >> >>placed behind the tape at 45 degrees to show a perfect view of the tape >>as >> >>it travels through the guides and across the heads. Edge damage is >>easily >> >>detected with this tool. You can make one yourself with a cassette, and >>use >> >>a dental mirror. >> >> Nakamichi found that the pad would allow the tape to squirm >> >>azimuth-wise over the head, enough that frequency response above 15kHz >>was >> >>unpredictable. If part of the pad was contacting the tape in you >>machine, >> >>that would cause tape skew and perhaps damage, but less likely. The most >> >>frequent cause of edge damage is worn pinch rollers, or misaligned guide >> >>height. High take up torque can also damage edges, but only at the >> >>beginning of the tape. >> >>The pad lifter can be removed without disrupting alignment, so you could >> >>experiment. >> >> >> >>tom brucker >> >> >> >>At 07:11 PM 4/7/06 -0500, Charles Peterson wrote: >> >> >Recently I've worked with a couple of Naks with pad lifters, a Dragon >> >> >and an RX-505, and I've been thinking about the pad lifters. >> >> > >> >> >The Dragon was malfunctioning badly. It appeared that the NAAC was >>not >> >> >working at all, there was no response above 2Khz in either channel and >> >> >in either direction. After reversing direction at the end of side A, >>it >> >> >would start to wrinkle tape pretty soon and shut down. I cleaned >>heads, >> >> >capstans, pinch rollers with Intraclean H (hexane) several times, and >>it >> >> >didn't help. >> >> > >> >> >Taking a close look at the heads, it seemed to me that it was possible >> >> >that the play head was orientated so badly that the "pad lifter" was >> >> >hitting the tape in reverse play mode, and causing the tape to >>wrinkle. >> >> > Looking at the tape, it was clear it started to wrinkle on one side, >> >> >then got worse and worse. >> >> > >> >> >Thinking about this has got me wondering about the pad lifter in >>general >> >> >(not just Dragon). 1) How much good does it do? and 2) Can it harm >> >> >tape if head(s) are out of alighnment, azimuth, etc? >> >> > >> >> >I can see that with the Dragon it's especially difficult to get this >> >> >correct. For bidirectional play, doesn't the head have to move >> >> >slightly? ("up" and "down" as Nakamichi calls it in the service >>manual, >> >> >though "forward" and "back" would be the more intuitive terms) >> >> > Interestingly, Nak doesn't call attention to this little fact in >> >> >brochures and owners manual (it's even hard to find out about it in >>the >> >> >service manual), only talking about how the head has to be turned for >> >> >correct azimuth. But clearly the head has to be moved with at least >>two >> >> >degrees of freedom (up/down and azimuth). And because of the up/down >> >> >movement, the pad lifter has to be very close to the tape to be sure >>it >> >> >lifts the pressure pad in both tape travel directions. And because of >> >> >these two factors (head movement and narrow pad-lifter opening), it >> >> >seems quite likely to me that unless the head moving system is working >> >> >correctly within narrow tolerances it's quite possible the Dragon pad >> >> >lifter can become a tape eater. >> >> > >> >> >With my newly acquired RX-505, it seems (and looks) to me like the pad >> >> >lifter opening can be and is slightly wider, and since the head >>doesn't >> >> >normally move, there's no dynamic problem. But if the head is >> >> >sufficiently out of static adjustment, it still seems possible to me >> >> >that tape could get damaged. My RX-505 probably does need adjustment, >> >> >because high frequency response varies quite a bit depending on >>cassette >> >> >side. I have examined fresh tape immediately after making one pass >> >> >through the RX-505 (on the B side), and it could be my imagination, >>but >> >> >it looks to me like something could be hitting one edge of the tape >>from >> >> >time to time, though not badly enough to be audibly apparent after one >> >> >pass. But isn't *any* tape damage a matter of concern? >> >> > >> >> >If you look at a typical cassette tape today, you will see that the >> >> >"pad" is cut very close to the tape. It's a wonder that pad lifters >>can >> >> >work at all. And what happens with one of these closely cut pads if >>the >> >> >pad gets lifted on one side, but not lifted on the other? Couldn't >>the >> >> >pad lifter actually cause more harm than good with respect to wow and >> >> >flutter if something like this happens? (Are these narrow cut pads >> >> >actually intended to defeat pad lifters?) >> >> > >> >> >Are there risks of pad lifters damaging tape? Has anyone considered >> >> >removing them? How much improvement does a properly working pad >>lifter >> >> >actually make in wow and flutter? (Doesn't most of the improvement in >> >> >better models come from double capstan transport, NOT pad lifter >>alone?) >> >> > If there's any risk of tape damage, I'd be interested in having the >>pad >> >> >lifter removed when my deck is rebuilt. Even if my RX-505 heads are >> >> >aligned to perfection at first, they won't stay that way forever. >> >> > >> >> >Charles Peterson >> >> >San Antonio, TX >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> >Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >> >>Tom Brucker CSM >> >>Hi Tech Service >> >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >> >>Nashville, TN 37211 >> >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From enoyes at snet.net Tue Apr 11 02:52:35 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:52:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Print-Through Followup -and more! In-Reply-To: <443A78BF.8020300@mminternet.com> References: <200604101454.k3AErkag029079@zxe.naks.com> <443A78BF.8020300@mminternet.com> Message-ID: <443AFDD3.60507@snet.net> All this discussion of print through reminds me of a story an old engineer friend told me. He had worked quite a bit with Eddie Kramer in the 1970's and mentioned how When Eddie would track Robert Plant and Led Zeppelin way back when, the needles on the deck would either not be moving, or they would be essentially pegged with a +10db signal. To say he liked to use the tape as a compressor would be a bit of an understatement. Anyway, I had always assumed that the vocals that come out of silence near the end of Whole Lotta Love had a pre-echo because of print through on the record, but it was in fact the result of the multitrack master being stored for several months before the final mixdown. Fortunately Plant apparently marveled at the "effect" and was quite pleased. Ed Greg Fuentes wrote: > Thanks again. > > I'll listen closely to determine if I hear print-through on some of > the 100 min TDK tapes I used for recording several years ago, or on > 120 minute tapes I receive from a local govt when I make public > records act requests concerning public meetings. > > Regards, > > Gallego -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 11 02:57:37 2006 From: bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com (Benedict Samonte) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVSc Message-ID: <20060411005737.23342.qmail@web52111.mail.yahoo.com> Tom, "Ferrite" indeed, in this case "Laser Amorphous Head" Ben Can you say "ferrite"? tom brucker At 07:13 PM 4/9/06 -0700, Benedict Samonte wrote: >Hello everybody, just one of the guys behind the scenes. Learned a lot from this forum and still learning. Since we're in the topic of Nak vs JVC, what about Sony ES cassette decks? Just got a Sony TC-K870ES from ebay a few weeks ago. Was made in 1991. Manual Calibration and Bias contol (just like a ZX7/9). Record and playback quality is very good, even excellent. Compared this unit to my CR-7A and the quality is almost on par with the CR-7. It's no Nakamichi but it comes very close. Any other owners of Sony ES cassette decks out there? Opinions? >Regards, >Ben From bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 11 03:12:08 2006 From: bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com (Benedict Samonte) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Naks vs JVCs Message-ID: <20060411011208.30403.qmail@web52111.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry, no offense taken, as for the Sony ES deck, you must be referring to the last one posted in ebay. I got mine a a week earlier before that last one. This one was a "buy it now". Was quite surprised when I got the unit- was very clean, almost looks new, the wood sides looks excellent with a very small nick, but otherwise in excellent shape. Got her demagd and cleaned up. I'm one happy camper!! Ben Sam. You must be the "rat" who beat me outta that Sony ES deck ! I dropped out of contention a long way from the finish though.Nice score.... P.S. , I didnt just call our new friend a rat, believe me. Its an inside joke.The next ES deck? i hope you save for me though Sam ,cause youre buying up every piece of Sony gear in existence!! From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Apr 11 09:41:23 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:41:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Part of an Ad for a 680zx Message-ID: Yes, there's quite a bit of hype there but the enthusiasm is great.. The 680ZX didn't cost US$2000. It was more like one and a half thou'. The 682ZX was about US$1800. The reason the 680ZX was withdrawn from the market was not because of the quality of it's recordings, which of course are excellent, but due to a legal tangle with Philips on the half-speed issue. Nakamichi unilaterally implemented an operating standard that did not comply with the licence agreement that Philips issued free to manufacturers provided they abided by it's basic standards. Tape speed is one of the standards. Cheers - Marc >>> johnn380 at comcast.net 4/10/2006 7:47:21 PM >>> Speaking of Seller's Descriptions: You are bidding on a Nakamichi 680zx Discrete Head Cassette Tape Deck. Audiophiles will remember this unit as the one that got pulled from the market due to the fact that it made PERFECT copies of tapes with zero loss in sound quality from the original tape. To perfect for the recording industry, so it was banned! The 680ZX comes with an assortment of automated and manual calibration controls, including adjustable azimuth and bias recording adjustment, Dolby noise reduction, two speed record/playback (whew!!!), extra durable tape transport system with dual capstan drive, and discrete record/monitor/playback head system. Some of the most precise technical specifications Nakamichi ever designed into a commercial cassette deck. This is an extrordinary component, one of Nakamichi's finest and cost effective when considering a $2000 retail price during the early 1980's! 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From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 11 10:31:04 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:31:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job Message-ID: <20060411083104.89217.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Guys I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is very very high. I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so confident that his skill and a superior product would help me do a good job. Glad to say it turned out that way. Chris From N4229K at aol.com Tue Apr 11 12:14:03 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:14:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVSc Message-ID: <22c.9d9f228.316cdb6b@aol.com> Does anyone have any input on a Sony TCK-A3ES? I believe it was one of the top of the line ES models but they had so many ES models. Each one was top of the line for that period of time it was introduced but I believe this one had jeweled bearings and tilted mechanism to kill the effect of gravity or something like that. Getting old and can't remember. LOL Dean In a message dated 4/11/2006 3:11:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com writes: TC-K870ES Ben Can you say "ferrite"? tom brucker At 07:13 PM 4/9/06 -0700, Benedict Samonte wrote: >Hello everybody, just one of the guys behind the scenes. Learned a lot from this forum and still learning. Since we're in the topic of Nak vs JVC, what about Sony ES cassette decks? Just got a Sony TC-K870ES from ebay a few weeks ago. Was made in 1991. Manual Calibration and Bias contol (just like a ZX7/9). Record and playback quality is very good, even excellent. Compared this unit to my CR-7A and the quality is almost on par with the CR-7. It's no Nakamichi but it comes very close. Any other owners of Sony ES cassette decks out there? Opinions? >Regards, >Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Tue Apr 11 13:02:57 2006 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:02:57 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVSc References: <22c.9d9f228.316cdb6b@aol.com> Message-ID: <019301c65d57$7d85b390$0201a8c0@TG> One series Sony did produced at that time (late 70's and 80's) was ; 555ESII, 666ES and 777ES models. Very very tough ones; Recent/Present successors are ; TCK-A3ES, amazing machine TCK-A6ES, and japanese version TCK-A7ES To me, rest ES models lacking real "ES" quality (including 950ES with wooden sides) Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: N4229K at aol.com To: bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks vc JVSc Does anyone have any input on a Sony TCK-A3ES? I believe it was one of the top of the line ES models but they had so many ES models. Each one was top of the line for that period of time it was introduced but I believe this one had jeweled bearings and tilted mechanism to kill the effect of gravity or something like that. Getting old and can't remember. LOL Dean In a message dated 4/11/2006 3:11:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com writes: TC-K870ES Ben Can you say "ferrite"? tom brucker At 07:13 PM 4/9/06 -0700, Benedict Samonte wrote: >Hello everybody, just one of the guys behind the scenes. Learned a lot from this forum and still learning. Since we're in the topic of Nak vs JVC, what about Sony ES cassette decks? Just got a Sony TC-K870ES from ebay a few weeks ago. Was made in 1991. Manual Calibration and Bias contol (just like a ZX7/9). Record and playback quality is very good, even excellent. Compared this unit to my CR-7A and the quality is almost on par with the CR-7. It's no Nakamichi but it comes very close. Any other owners of Sony ES cassette decks out there? 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URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Apr 11 13:12:39 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:12:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVSc Message-ID: One of our valued contributors, Michael has one - he has a high regard for it. It features a dual capstan, quartz-timed direct drive transport and a three "laser-amorphous" head assembly. It features all the normal Sony interventions to minimise vibration, chassis flexing, modulation noise etc such as centre mounted transport, ceramic tape holder with sorbothane pads. Michael will give you some insight into life with one of "them." Nak owners, please note. heh heh!! Marc >>> N4229K at aol.com 4/11/2006 12:14:03 PM >>> Does anyone have any input on a Sony TCK-A3ES? I believe it was one of the top of the line ES models but they had so many ES models. Each one was top of the line for that period of time it was introduced but I believe this one had jeweled bearings and tilted mechanism to kill the effect of gravity or something like that. Getting old and can't remember. LOL Dean In a message dated 4/11/2006 3:11:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com writes: TC-K870ES Ben Can you say "ferrite"? tom brucker At 07:13 PM 4/9/06 -0700, Benedict Samonte wrote: >Hello everybody, just one of the guys behind the scenes. Learned a lot from this forum and still learning. Since we're in the topic of Nak vs JVC, what about Sony ES cassette decks? Just got a Sony TC-K870ES from ebay a few weeks ago. Was made in 1991. Manual Calibration and Bias contol (just like a ZX7/9). Record and playback quality is very good, even excellent. Compared this unit to my CR-7A and the quality is almost on par with the CR-7. It's no Nakamichi but it comes very close. Any other owners of Sony ES cassette decks out there? Opinions? >Regards, >Ben The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From N4229K at aol.com Tue Apr 11 14:08:28 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:08:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVSc Message-ID: <22c.9dc3c0c.316cf63c@aol.com> Thanks for the info What do you know about a Sony TC-WA9ES? I can get one of these in great shape and my want to add it to my collection and I like auto reverse for listening. Lazy eh? Dean In a message dated 4/11/2006 7:10:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr writes: One series Sony did produced at that time (late 70's and 80's) was ; 555ESII, 666ES and 777ES models. Very very tough ones; Recent/Present successors are ; TCK-A3ES, amazing machine TCK-A6ES, and japanese version TCK-A7ES To me, rest ES models lacking real "ES" quality (including 950ES with wooden sides) Tayfur -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Tue Apr 11 14:36:33 2006 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:36:33 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVSc References: <22c.9dc3c0c.316cf63c@aol.com> Message-ID: <027601c65d64$910cb640$0201a8c0@TG> If you can Dean, for listening purpose, give a try to Pioneers twin decks with 20bit A/D-D/A convertor giving great pleasure to listener without "hiss", also with "digital FLEX" http://www.surroundsolutions.com/html/piotape.html http://www.4electronicwarehouse.com/products/pioneer/ct-w606dr.html?ovchn=YAH&ovcpn=Pioneer&ovcrn=CT-W606DR&ovtac=CMP#tab Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: N4229K at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks vc JVSc Thanks for the info What do you know about a Sony TC-WA9ES? I can get one of these in great shape and my want to add it to my collection and I like auto reverse for listening. Lazy eh? 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Apr 11 15:02:14 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:02:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges Message-ID: Dear Tom! I received & readied...yes as you explain it's NOT the same item...something much more elaborated! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges >Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:10:36 -0500 > >Alex, > I sent something privately. This is a different device than the Teac >mirror cassette. >I need to get my camera software installed at work. > >tom > >At 03:26 PM 4/10/06 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi Tom! > > > >Just I sent you some digitally photos that I made yet, which will show >you > >the existence of a Nakamichi cleaning Mirror" cassette...supplied with >the > >Tri Tracer 1000 & 1000/ll decks. > > > >Your input...please Tom after seeing my photos! > > > >Thank you very heart fully, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Hi Tech > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges > >>Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:07:25 -0500 > >> > >>Alex, > >> The mirror cassette keeps the tape in it, and is used for tape > >>travelling > >>check. What you describe is an empty cassette with a mirror in it. Teac > >>MTT-902 is the one I use. > >> > >>tom brucker > >> > >>At 04:13 AM 4/10/06 +0000, you wrote: > >> >Hi Tom! > >> > > >> >With the supplied TT 1000 old series accessories, was supplied what >you > >> >named "Mirror Cassette"...but was mainly designed for check the block > >>heads > >> >for cleaning...as on the TT 1000 series the heads are on the > >> >"Top"...reversed instead as all the others ones...per example my today >in > >> >use Dragon. > >> > > >> >Cheers, > >> > > >> >ALEX! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>From: Hi Tech > >> >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > >> >>naktalk at naks.com > >> >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges > >> >>Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:41:21 -0500 > >> >> > >> >>Charles, > >> >> You really asked some good questions. > >> >> One very useful tool is called a "mirror cassette" . The top part >of > >>a > >> >>cassette shell is cut away and the pad is removed. A narrow 5mm >mirror > >>is > >> >>placed behind the tape at 45 degrees to show a perfect view of the >tape > >>as > >> >>it travels through the guides and across the heads. Edge damage is > >>easily > >> >>detected with this tool. You can make one yourself with a cassette, >and > >>use > >> >>a dental mirror. > >> >> Nakamichi found that the pad would allow the tape to squirm > >> >>azimuth-wise over the head, enough that frequency response above >15kHz > >>was > >> >>unpredictable. If part of the pad was contacting the tape in you > >>machine, > >> >>that would cause tape skew and perhaps damage, but less likely. The >most > >> >>frequent cause of edge damage is worn pinch rollers, or misaligned >guide > >> >>height. High take up torque can also damage edges, but only at the > >> >>beginning of the tape. > >> >>The pad lifter can be removed without disrupting alignment, so you >could > >> >>experiment. > >> >> > >> >>tom brucker > >> >> > >> >>At 07:11 PM 4/7/06 -0500, Charles Peterson wrote: > >> >> >Recently I've worked with a couple of Naks with pad lifters, a >Dragon > >> >> >and an RX-505, and I've been thinking about the pad lifters. > >> >> > > >> >> >The Dragon was malfunctioning badly. It appeared that the NAAC was > >>not > >> >> >working at all, there was no response above 2Khz in either channel >and > >> >> >in either direction. After reversing direction at the end of side >A, > >>it > >> >> >would start to wrinkle tape pretty soon and shut down. I cleaned > >>heads, > >> >> >capstans, pinch rollers with Intraclean H (hexane) several times, >and > >>it > >> >> >didn't help. > >> >> > > >> >> >Taking a close look at the heads, it seemed to me that it was >possible > >> >> >that the play head was orientated so badly that the "pad lifter" >was > >> >> >hitting the tape in reverse play mode, and causing the tape to > >>wrinkle. > >> >> > Looking at the tape, it was clear it started to wrinkle on one >side, > >> >> >then got worse and worse. > >> >> > > >> >> >Thinking about this has got me wondering about the pad lifter in > >>general > >> >> >(not just Dragon). 1) How much good does it do? and 2) Can it >harm > >> >> >tape if head(s) are out of alighnment, azimuth, etc? > >> >> > > >> >> >I can see that with the Dragon it's especially difficult to get >this > >> >> >correct. For bidirectional play, doesn't the head have to move > >> >> >slightly? ("up" and "down" as Nakamichi calls it in the service > >>manual, > >> >> >though "forward" and "back" would be the more intuitive terms) > >> >> > Interestingly, Nak doesn't call attention to this little fact in > >> >> >brochures and owners manual (it's even hard to find out about it in > >>the > >> >> >service manual), only talking about how the head has to be turned >for > >> >> >correct azimuth. But clearly the head has to be moved with at >least > >>two > >> >> >degrees of freedom (up/down and azimuth). And because of the >up/down > >> >> >movement, the pad lifter has to be very close to the tape to be >sure > >>it > >> >> >lifts the pressure pad in both tape travel directions. And because >of > >> >> >these two factors (head movement and narrow pad-lifter opening), it > >> >> >seems quite likely to me that unless the head moving system is >working > >> >> >correctly within narrow tolerances it's quite possible the Dragon >pad > >> >> >lifter can become a tape eater. > >> >> > > >> >> >With my newly acquired RX-505, it seems (and looks) to me like the >pad > >> >> >lifter opening can be and is slightly wider, and since the head > >>doesn't > >> >> >normally move, there's no dynamic problem. But if the head is > >> >> >sufficiently out of static adjustment, it still seems possible to >me > >> >> >that tape could get damaged. My RX-505 probably does need >adjustment, > >> >> >because high frequency response varies quite a bit depending on > >>cassette > >> >> >side. I have examined fresh tape immediately after making one pass > >> >> >through the RX-505 (on the B side), and it could be my imagination, > >>but > >> >> >it looks to me like something could be hitting one edge of the tape > >>from > >> >> >time to time, though not badly enough to be audibly apparent after >one > >> >> >pass. But isn't *any* tape damage a matter of concern? > >> >> > > >> >> >If you look at a typical cassette tape today, you will see that the > >> >> >"pad" is cut very close to the tape. It's a wonder that pad >lifters > >>can > >> >> >work at all. And what happens with one of these closely cut pads >if > >>the > >> >> >pad gets lifted on one side, but not lifted on the other? Couldn't > >>the > >> >> >pad lifter actually cause more harm than good with respect to wow >and > >> >> >flutter if something like this happens? (Are these narrow cut pads > >> >> >actually intended to defeat pad lifters?) > >> >> > > >> >> >Are there risks of pad lifters damaging tape? Has anyone >considered > >> >> >removing them? How much improvement does a properly working pad > >>lifter > >> >> >actually make in wow and flutter? (Doesn't most of the improvement >in > >> >> >better models come from double capstan transport, NOT pad lifter > >>alone?) > >> >> > If there's any risk of tape damage, I'd be interested in having >the > >>pad > >> >> >lifter removed when my deck is rebuilt. Even if my RX-505 heads >are > >> >> >aligned to perfection at first, they won't stay that way forever. > >> >> > > >> >> >Charles Peterson > >> >> >San Antonio, TX > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >> >Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> > > >> >>Tom Brucker CSM > >> >>Hi Tech Service > >> >>2934 Nolensville Rd. > >> >>Nashville, TN 37211 > >> >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >> >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >>Tom Brucker CSM > >>Hi Tech Service > >>2934 Nolensville Rd. > >>Nashville, TN 37211 > >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Mon Apr 10 18:13:53 2006 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:13:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges References: <200604041735.k34HZcOq005523@zxe.naks.com><4436FFB8.6030403@darwin.sfbr.org> <4437B594.5050201@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000201c65d6b$fc7ecc90$27d3403e@LAPTOP> I was having the same problems with my Dragon i.e. at auto reverse twisting tape and stopping. I have found that it has to do with tape tension as I have found this problem only occurs on some older tapes. I am warned before the auto reverse stage that this twisting problem might occur if there is some clicking from the tape mechanism beforehand. It was suggested that the clicking might have to do with the NAC but if it is its difficulty are tied in with their being too much tension. All of these problems go away by playing a more recent tape or it eases the problem by fast forwarding and rewinding a number of times to loosen up tape. In the case being discussed their may be other reasons for tape twisting but this is what I have found with my Dragon. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pad lifting and tape edges > > The function of the pads is to insure adequate > pressure between tape and head. It's not like > Nakamichi simply removed the pads -- they > replaced them with a far better (albeit, > more costly) method: the dual capstan. Because > dual capstans offer a much better controlled > (meaning, constant) tape to head pressure, they > could design for worst case lower pressure; this > results in far lower head wear. > > However, like anything else in a delicate, precise > machinery, the deck has to be correctly aligned. > Even a Dragon. Yours apparently isn't. Have the > head block properly aligned (height, tilt, > azimuth -- the works) and see if the problem > doesn't go away. > > -- Ron > > > > Charles Peterson wrote: >> Recently I've worked with a couple of Naks with pad lifters, a Dragon and >> an RX-505, and I've been thinking about the pad lifters. >> >> The Dragon was malfunctioning badly. It appeared that the NAAC was not >> working at all, there was no response above 2Khz in either channel and in >> either direction. After reversing direction at the end of side A, it >> would start to wrinkle tape pretty soon and shut down. I cleaned heads, >> capstans, pinch rollers with Intraclean H (hexane) several times, and it >> didn't help. >> >> Taking a close look at the heads, it seemed to me that it was possible >> that the play head was orientated so badly that the "pad lifter" was >> hitting the tape in reverse play mode, and causing the tape to wrinkle. >> Looking at the tape, it was clear it started to wrinkle on one side, then >> got worse and worse. >> >> Thinking about this has got me wondering about the pad lifter in general >> (not just Dragon). 1) How much good does it do? and 2) Can it harm tape >> if head(s) are out of alighnment, azimuth, etc? >> >> I can see that with the Dragon it's especially difficult to get this >> correct. For bidirectional play, doesn't the head have to move slightly? >> ("up" and "down" as Nakamichi calls it in the service manual, though >> "forward" and "back" would be the more intuitive terms) Interestingly, >> Nak doesn't call attention to this little fact in brochures and owners >> manual (it's even hard to find out about it in the service manual), only >> talking about how the head has to be turned for correct azimuth. But >> clearly the head has to be moved with at least two degrees of freedom >> (up/down and azimuth). And because of the up/down movement, the pad >> lifter has to be very close to the tape to be sure it lifts the pressure >> pad in both tape travel directions. And because of these two factors >> (head movement and narrow pad-lifter opening), it seems quite likely to >> me that unless the head moving system is working correctly within narrow >> tolerances it's quite possible the Dragon pad lifter can become a tape >> eater. >> >> With my newly acquired RX-505, it seems (and looks) to me like the pad >> lifter opening can be and is slightly wider, and since the head doesn't >> normally move, there's no dynamic problem. But if the head is >> sufficiently out of static adjustment, it still seems possible to me that >> tape could get damaged. My RX-505 probably does need adjustment, because >> high frequency response varies quite a bit depending on cassette side. I >> have examined fresh tape immediately after making one pass through the >> RX-505 (on the B side), and it could be my imagination, but it looks to >> me like something could be hitting one edge of the tape from time to >> time, though not badly enough to be audibly apparent after one pass. But >> isn't *any* tape damage a matter of concern? >> >> If you look at a typical cassette tape today, you will see that the "pad" >> is cut very close to the tape. It's a wonder that pad lifters can work >> at all. And what happens with one of these closely cut pads if the pad >> gets lifted on one side, but not lifted on the other? Couldn't the pad >> lifter actually cause more harm than good with respect to wow and flutter >> if something like this happens? (Are these narrow cut pads actually >> intended to defeat pad lifters?) >> >> Are there risks of pad lifters damaging tape? Has anyone considered >> removing them? How much improvement does a properly working pad lifter >> actually make in wow and flutter? (Doesn't most of the improvement in >> better models come from double capstan transport, NOT pad lifter alone?) >> If there's any risk of tape damage, I'd be interested in having the pad >> lifter removed when my deck is rebuilt. Even if my RX-505 heads are >> aligned to perfection at first, they won't stay that way forever. >> >> Charles Peterson >> San Antonio, TX > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 11 15:31:53 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:31:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <20060411083104.89217.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060411083104.89217.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443BAFC9.4050606@rcn.com> Chris Mann wrote: > Guys > > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. > > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is > very very high. I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak originals. I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks we are talking about there). He's probably a likable fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. -- Ron > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so > confident that his skill and a superior product would > help me do a good job. > > Glad to say it turned out that way. > > Chris From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 11 16:03:42 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:03:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVSc In-Reply-To: <019301c65d57$7d85b390$0201a8c0@TG> References: <22c.9d9f228.316cdb6b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060411090342.0081e2d0@earthlink.net> I have 2 TCK700ES decks that could be repaired and sold if anyone wants them. These were ferrite head decks. tom brucker At 02:02 PM 4/11/06 +0300, you wrote: >>>> One series Sony did produced at that time (late 70's and 80's) was ; 555ESII, 666ES and 777ES models. Very very tough ones; Recent/Present successors are ; TCK-A3ES, amazing machine TCK-A6ES, and japanese version TCK-A7ES To me, rest ES models lacking real "ES" quality (including 950ES with wooden sides) Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: <N4229K at aol.com To: <bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com ; <naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks vc JVSc Does anyone have any input on a Sony TCK-A3ES? I believe it was one of the top of the line ES models but they had so many ES models. Each one was top of the line for that period of time it was introduced but I believe this one had jeweled bearings and tilted mechanism to kill the effect of gravity or something like that. Getting old and can't remember. LOL Dean In a message dated 4/11/2006 3:11:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com writes: TC-K870ES Ben Can you say "ferrite"? tom brucker At 07:13 PM 4/9/06 -0700, Benedict Samonte wrote: >Hello everybody, just one of the guys behind the scenes. Learned a lot from this forum and still learning. Since we're in the topic of Nak vs JVC, what about Sony ES cassette decks? Just got a Sony TC-K870ES from ebay a few weeks ago. Was made in 1991. Manual Calibration and Bias contol (just like a ZX7/9). Record and playback quality is very good, even excellent. Compared this unit to my CR-7A and the quality is almost on par with the CR-7. It's no Nakamichi but it comes very close. Any other owners of Sony ES cassette decks out there? Opinions? >Regards, >Ben ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/306 - Release Date: 09.04.2006 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rob at rhoag.com Tue Apr 11 16:30:18 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:30:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Part of an Ad for a 680zx In-Reply-To: <004001c65cd7$e12ec2e0$877b8d56@compaq> Message-ID: There is no mention of the condition of the unit, or whether it has been serviced, whether all functions work properly, etc. There are a number of photos, but none of them are close enough to see any detail, like worn looking buttons, scratches, etc. I asked the seller these questions and it will be interesting to see what he says further about it. This is the sellers return policy: "Returns Snappy Auctions pays the highest attention in ensuring that listings are accurate and reflect the quality and condition of the item. We will accept a return if an item is clearly misrepresented in the listings. Descriptions and pictures are taken immediately before the item is listed and are accurate at that time. If you receive an item and there are any questions on the representation of the item, you must email with problems within 3 days of delivery." Did the 680ZX sell for $2000 in 1979? (from the serial number it appears to be `79) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Terry Finn Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:49 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Part of an Ad for a 680zx Thats what a good imagination and a BS in marketing will do then!!! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: johnn380 at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] Part of an Ad for a 680zx Speaking of Seller's Descriptions: You are bidding on a Nakamichi 680zx Discrete Head Cassette Tape Deck. Audiophiles will remember this unit as the one that got pulled from the market due to the fact that it made PERFECT copies of tapes with zero loss in sound quality from the original tape. To perfect for the recording industry, so it was banned! The 680ZX comes with an assortment of automated and manual calibration controls, including adjustable azimuth and bias recording adjustment, Dolby noise reduction, two speed record/playback (whew!!!), extra durable tape transport system with dual capstan drive, and discrete record/monitor/playback head system. Some of the most precise technical specifications Nakamichi ever designed into a commercial cassette deck. This is an extrordinary component, one of Nakamichi's finest and cost effective when considering a $2000 retail price during the early 1980's! The serial # on this model is : 003791 and the F # is 08888 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/306 - Release Date: 09/04/06 From rob at rhoag.com Tue Apr 11 16:40:20 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:40:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Part of an Ad for a 680zx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Very interesting, Mark, thanks! Ya, I didn't think it was $2000 either, I seem to remember it selling back then for around $1500, but I could be wrong. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc hugo Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:41 AM To: johnn380 at comcast.net; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Part of an Ad for a 680zx Yes, there's quite a bit of hype there but the enthusiasm is great.. The 680ZX didn't cost US$2000. It was more like one and a half thou'. The 682ZX was about US$1800. The reason the 680ZX was withdrawn from the market was not because of the quality of it's recordings, which of course are excellent, but due to a legal tangle with Philips on the half-speed issue. Nakamichi unilaterally implemented an operating standard that did not comply with the licence agreement that Philips issued free to manufacturers provided they abided by it's basic standards. Tape speed is one of the standards. Cheers - Marc >>> johnn380 at comcast.net 4/10/2006 7:47:21 PM >>> Speaking of Seller's Descriptions: You are bidding on a Nakamichi 680zx Discrete Head Cassette Tape Deck. Audiophiles will remember this unit as the one that got pulled from the market due to the fact that it made PERFECT copies of tapes with zero loss in sound quality from the original tape. To perfect for the recording industry, so it was banned! The 680ZX comes with an assortment of automated and manual calibration controls, including adjustable azimuth and bias recording adjustment, Dolby noise reduction, two speed record/playback (whew!!!), extra durable tape transport system with dual capstan drive, and discrete record/monitor/playback head system. Some of the most precise technical specifications Nakamichi ever designed into a commercial cassette deck. This is an extrordinary component, one of Nakamichi's finest and cost effective when considering a $2000 retail price during the early 1980's! 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In-Reply-To: <20060411083104.89217.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just for fun... How much would a ZX7 that sold for about $1200 new in 1980-85.. how much would it sell for today, if you only figure in inflation, etc.? Or how about one of the earlier Naks, like a 581, that I think sold for about $900 new, etc.? Then, looking at it differently, how much could/would a ZX7 equivalent deck sell for today, with the benefit of modern manufacturing techniques.. any one want to guess? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Chris Mann Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job Guys I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is very very high. I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so confident that his skill and a superior product would help me do a good job. Glad to say it turned out that way. Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Tue Apr 11 16:51:45 2006 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:51:45 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Naks vc JVSc Message-ID: <03fa01c65d77$744ef1e0$0201a8c0@TG> If you can Dean, for listening purpose, give a try to Pioneers twin decks with 20bit A/D-D/A convertor giving great pleasure to listener without "hiss", also with "digital FLEX" http://www.surroundsolutions.com/html/piotape.html http://www.4electronicwarehouse.com/products/pioneer/ct-w606dr.html?ovchn=YAH&ovcpn=Pioneer&ovcrn=CT-W606DR&ovtac=CMP#tab Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: N4229K at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks vc JVSc Thanks for the info What do you know about a Sony TC-WA9ES? I can get one of these in great shape and my want to add it to my collection and I like auto reverse for listening. Lazy eh? Dean In a message dated 4/11/2006 7:10:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr writes: One series Sony did produced at that time (late 70's and 80's) was ; 555ESII, 666ES and 777ES models. Very very tough ones; Recent/Present successors are ; TCK-A3ES, amazing machine TCK-A6ES, and japanese version TCK-A7ES To me, rest ES models lacking real "ES" quality (including 950ES with wooden sides) Tayfur ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10.04.2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Tue Apr 11 17:06:20 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:06:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Part of an Ad for a 680zx Message-ID: <2b0.1d91376.316d1fec@aol.com> I think I paid $1200 for mine when I bought it new in NYC. Dean Very interesting, Mark, thanks! Ya, I didn't think it was $2000 either, I seem to remember it selling back then for around $1500, but I could be wrong. Doane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 11 17:35:35 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <443BAFC9.4050606@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060411153535.40064.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may appear workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the longer run. While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the thousands, individuals may be in a very different situation. As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no need for sleazy marketing. As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. The effort, dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal duties, to procur these parts, and send them needs a token of appreciation. Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This is a welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for problems, that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. Bala 79Labs Ron wrote: Chris Mann wrote: > Guys > > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. > > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is > very very high. I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak originals. I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks we are talking about there). He's probably a likable fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. -- Ron > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so > confident that his skill and a superior product would > help me do a good job. > > Glad to say it turned out that way. > > Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Tue Apr 11 18:29:08 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:29:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Print-through and zeppelin In-Reply-To: <200604110746.k3B7krRf032451@zxe.naks.com> References: <200604110746.k3B7krRf032451@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1C334296-F3DB-4EC6-BAD9-9182715155D6@mac.com> That's a great story, Ed. Thanks for sharing it. That's a popular move in the computer world too, just re-classify a bug as a feature... LOL Fred On Apr 11, 2006, at 12:46 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > All this discussion of print through reminds me of a story an old > engineer friend told me. He had worked quite a bit with Eddie > Kramer in the 1970's and mentioned how When Eddie would track > Robert Plant and Led Zeppelin way back when, the needles on the > deck would either not be moving, or they would be essentially > pegged with a +10db signal. To say he liked to use the tape as a > compressor would be a bit of an understatement. Anyway, I had > always assumed that the vocals that come out of silence near the > end of Whole Lotta Love had a pre-echo because of print through on > the record, but it was in fact the result of the multitrack master > being stored for several months before the final mixdown. > Fortunately Plant apparently marveled at the "effect" and was quite > pleased. From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 12 18:40:14 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:40:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <200604111550.k3BFn7BM001905@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Ron I hope that this is the first and last time that anyone on this list refers to a statement I make as "lies, pure and simple" and I hope this is the first and last time I have to justify something I've said in good faith. - Let's take product quality: obviously anyone's ideal is to have a genuine Nakamichi part because our common interest is this marque and its precision engineering. However, I have yet to see one dealer that claims to sell a genuine Nakamichi idler tire. Therefore I have to use my judgement and choose between the few alternatives that present themselves once a deck is 20+ years old. The tire I received from Dean and fitted exactly according to his instructions was a perfect fit and - from my very critical listening tests and those alone - performs as well as any tire could be expected to. Does performance meet Nakamichi spec? How the devil would I know? - Let's take keen pricing: I hear people talk about tires costing less than a dollar. I never saw one of those and having an ailing deck to repair, I had no time for a 6-month search. No doubt if I see one I'll buy one. I'm in the UK and obviously would look to cut down mailing costs by sourcing a tire in the UK. The only dealer I could find (who I will not name)could source the tire at the serling equivalent of roughly $24 including postage and tax. A bargain? Obviously not. If you can honestly tell me I've made a bad choice or that I'm wrong to recommend my source when I got two tires inluding shipping from the USA for $12 *and* got the offer of phone assistance, I'll put the Nak back on eBay, clear a profit of close to $100 and leave this list. Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 11 19:20:57 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:20:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443BE579.2030505@rcn.com> Doane, As you know, there is no correlation whatsoever between what a high tech product sold 25 years ago and what it would sell for now. Pricing is affected by a whole lot more than self cost. For example, a Sony CD player cost upwards of $1000 in the late 80s; a far batter player costs $70 now. To answer your last question, a ZX-7 would cost a fortune, as a new product, today; mainly, due to the tiny market size. This in no way reflects the product value. Just bear in mind that no high tech company uses the cost plus method to determine prices. Nowadays, the key word is 'strategic pricing'... -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Just for fun... How much would a ZX7 that sold for about $1200 new in > 1980-85.. how much would it sell for today, if you only figure in inflation, > etc.? > > Or how about one of the earlier Naks, like a 581, that I think sold for > about $900 new, etc.? > > Then, looking at it differently, how much could/would a ZX7 equivalent deck > sell for today, with the benefit of modern manufacturing techniques.. any > one want to guess? > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Chris Mann > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:31 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job > > > Guys > > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. > > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is > very very high. > > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so > confident that his skill and a superior product would > help me do a good job. > > Glad to say it turned out that way. > > Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 11 19:34:53 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:34:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <20060411153535.40064.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060411153535.40064.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443BE8BD.2070804@rcn.com> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi, > > I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may appear > workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. > In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few > other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the longer run. > While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the > thousands, individuals may be in a very different situation. But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. > As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no > need for sleazy marketing. In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I I actually applaud his willingness to help others with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected to the way Dean's tires were described by another poster, not by him. > As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. > The effort, dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal > duties, to procur these parts, and send them needs a token of appreciation. > > Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This is a > welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for problems, > that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. And who might those be? -- Ron > > Bala > 79Labs > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Chris Mann wrote: > > Guys > > > > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends > > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. > > > > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but > > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is > > very very high. > > I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges > about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they > sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the > tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) > was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak > originals. > > I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open > market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks > we are talking about there). He's probably a likable > fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves > and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing > demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another > thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" > and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. > > -- Ron > > > > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay > > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* > > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so > > confident that his skill and a superior product would > > help me do a good job. > > > > Glad to say it turned out that way. > > > > Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 11 20:05:10 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:05:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443BEFD6.9070702@rcn.com> Chris Mann wrote: > Ron > > I hope that this is the first and last time that anyone on this list refers > to a statement I make as "lies, pure and simple" and I hope this is the > first and last time I have to justify something I've said in good faith. I humbly apologize. I got carried away... Please forgive me, I don't usually, speak (or write) in such terms. > - Let's take product quality: obviously anyone's ideal is to have a genuine > Nakamichi part because our common interest is this marque and its precision > engineering. However, I have yet to see one dealer that claims to sell a > genuine Nakamichi idler tire. Therefore I have to use my judgement and > choose between the few alternatives that present themselves once a deck is > 20+ years old. The tire I received from Dean and fitted exactly according to > his instructions was a perfect fit and - from my very critical listening > tests and those alone - performs as well as any tire could be expected to. > Does performance meet Nakamichi spec? How the devil would I know? Exactly. How the devil should you know? Especially, since original tires are extremely scarce. but, you stated "Quality of the product is very very high". You don't really know that. I have used a large number of MCM tires that, I feel, perform and last similar to original tires. Please realize that these tires are fairly non critical to deck operation. For example, they may be seriously eccentric (up to a point, of course), yet perform perfectly. The same goes for width. > - Let's take keen pricing: I hear people talk about tires costing less than > a dollar. I never saw one of those and having an ailing deck to repair, I > had no time for a 6-month search. The source was mentioned right here. Shouldn't have taken more than 6 seconds. > No doubt if I see one I'll buy one. I'm in > the UK and obviously would look to cut down mailing costs by sourcing a tire > in the UK. The only dealer I could find (who I will not name)could source > the tire at the serling equivalent of roughly $24 including postage and tax. > A bargain? Obviously not. > > If you can honestly tell me I've made a bad choice or that I'm wrong to > recommend my source when I got two tires inluding shipping from the USA for > $12 *and* got the offer of phone assistance, I'll put the Nak back on eBay, > clear a profit of close to $100 and leave this list. Of course I cannot tell you that you made a bad choice. If *you* are happy with it, it's a *good* choice, by definition. However, this is not the issue here. I objected to the way you described the quality and price (albeit in inappropriate terms -- I apologize again, I am not usually a crass person). Peace, -- Ron > > Chris From rob at rhoag.com Tue Apr 11 20:44:07 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:44:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443BE579.2030505@rcn.com> Message-ID: I'm sure you're right..I'm just having fun with this, not being serious about them actually making cassettes again, because, like you said, I know there wouldn't be a market for it. For the first question, I was thinking more in terms of what the dollar buys now and what it bought back then, so what would the ZX7 cost today, with inflation? Just to get an idea of what the costs were back then. I couldn't buy a ZX7 for some time back then beause it was a "lot of money" back then, but if it were the same $1200 today, it wouldn't be as big a deal, although it would be expensive compared to other decks that have gone up in quality and down in price (or maybe they've gone down in quality over the last couple of years, right?). But, just considering inflation, it wouldn't be, it would be a LOT more, like, how much, do you think? Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:21 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Doane, As you know, there is no correlation whatsoever between what a high tech product sold 25 years ago and what it would sell for now. Pricing is affected by a whole lot more than self cost. For example, a Sony CD player cost upwards of $1000 in the late 80s; a far batter player costs $70 now. To answer your last question, a ZX-7 would cost a fortune, as a new product, today; mainly, due to the tiny market size. This in no way reflects the product value. Just bear in mind that no high tech company uses the cost plus method to determine prices. Nowadays, the key word is 'strategic pricing'... -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Just for fun... How much would a ZX7 that sold for about $1200 new in > 1980-85.. how much would it sell for today, if you only figure in inflation, > etc.? > > Or how about one of the earlier Naks, like a 581, that I think sold for > about $900 new, etc.? > > Then, looking at it differently, how much could/would a ZX7 equivalent deck > sell for today, with the benefit of modern manufacturing techniques.. any > one want to guess? > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Chris Mann > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:31 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job > > > Guys > > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. > > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is > very very high. > > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so > confident that his skill and a superior product would > help me do a good job. > > Glad to say it turned out that way. > > Chris -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a dual deck. http://www.happymedium.com/sonywa9.htm Ben Thanks for the info What do you know about a Sony TC-WA9ES? I can get one of these in great shape and my want to add it to my collection and I like auto reverse for listening. Lazy eh? Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 11 22:37:34 2006 From: bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com (Benedict Samonte) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: <20060411203734.74417.qmail@web52115.mail.yahoo.com> I would say in the neighborhood of $2000 or lower with today's process. Will be considered high end because of the Nakamichi name but you have to take it into account also by today's standard, it will also be considered a "Dino", a High end dino at that. just my 2 cents... Ben Just for fun... How much would a ZX7 that sold for about $1200 new in 1980-85.. how much would it sell for today, if you only figure in inflation, etc.? Or how about one of the earlier Naks, like a 581, that I think sold for about $900 new, etc.? Then, looking at it differently, how much could/would a ZX7 equivalent deck sell for today, with the benefit of modern manufacturing techniques.. any one want to guess? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Chris Mann Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job Guys I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is very very high. I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so confident that his skill and a superior product would help me do a good job. Glad to say it turned out that way. Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========-------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Apr 11 22:38:00 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:38:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443C13A8.7030008@peromarta.org> Jeff from eslabs used to forward this address: http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl Best rgds, LP. Doane Hoag wrote: > I'm sure you're right..I'm just having fun with this, not being serious > about them actually making cassettes again, because, like you said, I know > there wouldn't be a market for it. > For the first question, I was thinking more in terms of what the dollar buys > now and what it bought back then, so what would the ZX7 cost today, with > inflation? Just to get an idea of what the costs were back then. I couldn't > buy a ZX7 for some time back then beause it was a "lot of money" back then, > but if it were the same $1200 today, it wouldn't be as big a deal, although > it would be expensive compared to other decks that have gone up in quality > and down in price (or maybe they've gone down in quality over the last > couple of years, right?). But, just considering inflation, it wouldn't be, > it would be a LOT more, like, how much, do you think? > > Doane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:21 AM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > > > Doane, > > As you know, there is no correlation whatsoever > between what a high tech product sold 25 years > ago and what it would sell for now. Pricing is > affected by a whole lot more than self cost. For > example, a Sony CD player cost upwards of $1000 > in the late 80s; a far batter player costs $70 > now. > > To answer your last question, a ZX-7 would cost > a fortune, as a new product, today; mainly, due > to the tiny market size. This in no way reflects > the product value. Just bear in mind that no high > tech company uses the cost plus method to > determine prices. Nowadays, the key word is > 'strategic pricing'... > > -- Ron > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> Just for fun... How much would a ZX7 that sold for about $1200 new in >> 1980-85.. how much would it sell for today, if you only figure in > inflation, >> etc.? >> >> Or how about one of the earlier Naks, like a 581, that I think sold for >> about $900 new, etc.? >> >> Then, looking at it differently, how much could/would a ZX7 equivalent > deck >> sell for today, with the benefit of modern manufacturing techniques.. any >> one want to guess? >> >> Doane >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Chris Mann >> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:31 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >> >> >> Guys >> >> I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >> Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >> >> Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >> his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >> very very high. >> >> I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >> but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >> tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >> confident that his skill and a superior product would >> help me do a good job. >> >> Glad to say it turned out that way. >> >> Chris > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3305 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Apr 11 23:00:59 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:00:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Print-Through and Echo/Pre-Echo In-Reply-To: <4439A947.2070407@mminternet.com> References: <200604092235.k39MZf0e025664@zxe.naks.com> <4439A947.2070407@mminternet.com> Message-ID: <443C190B.2000504@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Greg, Here's a quick guide to pro cassette duplication. The best way, and the way only a few duplication houses did the job, is set up a wall of cassette decks, sync them to start and stop at the same time from a master tape, and made 1:1 speed copies, knwn as "real time" duplication. This is the way I make my music cassette copies. The most common way cassettes are duped by small compaies is the use of a convenient high-speed cassette duplicator. These have a "master" station (cassette usually, sometimes reel-to-reel) and one or more "slave" stations. The machine records both sides at the same time in one pass. In other words, as it records the tape it is recording both sides at the same time -- Side 1 is recorded "forwards" and Side 2 is recorded backward. These machines cost between $500 to $5,000 USD or so. Typical manufacturers are Wollensak (mercifully no longer made), Otari, Telex and Recordex. The technician loads the blank tapes, which have shells with no record safety tabs (so-called "tabs-out" blanks) into the duplicator, presses START, and off the machine goes at 15 ips. The cassette can be duplicated in about 40 to 90 seconds or so. Yes, Gone In 60 Seconds was a movie about high-speed cassette duplication. I use a monaural Telex Copyette for some spoken word tape duplication. Bad news though: the quality is mediocre at best, typically a meager 50 to 10,000 cps frequency response and only -40 dB signal-to-noise ratio. We won't mention flutter-and-wow. These duplicators have a meter that most persons mistake for a recording level meter. It isn't. It's a bias level meter -- and it dances around like a VU meter would. Yes, I meant VU meter. With such wildy varying bias current levels, any guesses as to why the sound quality is awful? Big labels and mass duplication houses use a "bin duplicator" to mass-copy cassettes. These are really cool to watch in action. The best one, I think, is the Lyrec bin duplicator, and such equipment can cost up to $100,000 USD, although more typical prices range from $10,000 to $60,000 USD for new gear. Despite the high speeds, Lyrec's units achieve good specs. Their frequency response is 31 - 20000 Hz +/- 3 dB (at -20 dB levels, of course, and the signal to noise is so good that biased tape noise on copies does not exceed tape noise more than 3 dB. in other words, its's alost as quiet as the residual noise of the cassette tape oxide itself. Impressive. By the way, your Nakamichi beats this handily, but consider that this is achieved at high speeds and it is excellent quality overall. Other brands of bin loop duplicators do not sound this good, so insist on Lyrec if you do any bin loop duplication. No, I do not sell Lyrec, I just like their gear. By the way, real-time copying is still the best sound. The newest bin loop duplicators actually use a digital master "bin" (harddrive PCM audio on a PC), while the traditional analog system uses 1/2-inch wide endless tape loop. These can record at speeds between 60:1 and 128:1! Yes, 128 times the normal play speed of the cassettte. How? The system works like this (assumes the older analog setup): A technician loads a long loop of 1/2" wide tape into a large bin located in the front of the machine, which is played at either 32 or 64 times the normal speed of playback of an audio cassette, which works out to 60 ips and 120 ips respectively. While the MASTER (the loop is being played back, it is recorded to a reel of blank 1/8" audio tape that is wound onto a "pancake" reel at the same high speed. The Loop Bin Master plays over making one copy after another onto the 1/8-inch wide cassette tape "pancakes." No syrup, please. Like the high-speed duplicators, it records both sides of the tape at the same time. Several slaves can be synchronized to one master. The MASTER 1/2" tape loop has a segment of clear tape, known as "leader tape" spliced between the beginning and end of the program. An optical sensor records a CUE TONE, a brief very-low frequency tone, typically 40 Hz, whenever the clear leader passes by the MASTER's play head. The cue tone in effect marks the end of each "copy" that is recorded one after another onto the pancake. You can sometimes hear part of the CUE tone at the end (by the cassette's clear leader tape) on some pre-recorded audio cassettes as a very low-frequency "puh-puh-puh-puh" rumble. The technician starts the machines running and the MASTER plays over and over while recording one copy after another onto the SLAVE hub. A pancake of tape for C-90s holds more than 15,000 feet of blank tape and a C90 cassette has 422 feet of tape, so the pancake holds enough tape for about 40 cassettes. (This math is very approximate.) When the hub is filled, the technician put the pancake onto another machine, called a LOADER, the puts a stack of cassette shells that have no tape in them but that have two short clear (sometimes clear blue or green) leader tape "tongues" or "threads." The loader then plays the pancake at high speed. The CUE tone becomes a midrange tone when played at high speed, signalling the loader to stop at that poing, then cut the tape from the pancake and splice it to a length of leader in the empty cassette shell. The loader then quickly winds the tape from the pancake until it reaches the next CUE tone. The loader then stops, makes the second splice to the other end of the leader in the casstte shell, ejects the now-filled cassette tape, then drops another empty shell and begins the process again. The cassette duplicate now goes off to other machines to be labelled and packed into cases. Each slave/loader station can manufacture up to 154 cassettes (C-90 length) per hour, or over 1,100 cassette per 8-hour shift. You are correct, cassette tapes longer than 64 minutes use thinner tape stock, increasing both the print-through and the tendency to jam, tear, develpp tape dropouts, or wrinkles. Whenever possible I prefer to use only the thicker C60 cassettes to ensure the highest quality the medium can provide. Greg Fuentes wrote: > Thanks, all, for the many informative responses. > > The commercial tape on which I was hearing the "print-through" effect > was a "Walkman Classics," 86 minutes long, produced by Deutsche Grammophon. > > Sherlock suspects that putting in 86 minutes of music led to thinner > tape, which led to the print-through. > > I have a very limited understanding of how record/cd/tape companies > manufacture pre-recorded cassette tapes of performances that the > companies have previously released on long-playing records. > > Am I correct in believing that any echo or pre-echo that appeared on the > records would usually not be replicated on the commercial cassettes > because the cassette tapes would not be exposed to what the disk lathe > engineer did for the records released to the public. > > Would the only exceptions occur where source master disks/tapes were > lost and the manufacturer created the commercial cassette by using the > records created by the disk lathe engineer. > > If the above is nonsensical, please forgive cuz, again, I know little of > the commercial record and tape recording/manufacturing process. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Apr 11 23:07:07 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:07:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job Message-ID: Shalom Ron! Sorry for my "Silly/stupid" question...where is such "Idler Tire"...per example in my lovely Dragon? Second...how I can detect that is bad worn...& what is the job of such item? My received Dragon still "Factory Untouched"...BTW,,,only I need to change the cam belt...with the help of an a superbly good friend, also a member of our Nak forum, which sent me a replacement...my Dragon...true...was "Boxed' for 20 years...completely "UN-used" (Only record & play one TDK SA-90 cassette), which was inside the box when I open the box...never make me any trouble at all...so how I can detect something NOT good with such "Idler"...Ron? Thank you & peace! ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:34:53 -0400 > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>Hi, >> I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may appear >>workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. > >What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. > >>In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few other >>suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the longer run. While >>MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the thousands, individuals >>may be in a very different situation. > >But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. >IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. > >>As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no > > need for sleazy marketing. > >In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I >I actually applaud his willingness to help others >with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay >offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected >to the way Dean's tires were described by another >poster, not by him. > >>As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. The effort, >>dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal duties, to >>procur these parts, and send them needs a token of appreciation. >> >>Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This is a >>welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for problems, that >>needs a myriad of explanation and tools. > >And who might those be? > >-- Ron > >> Bala >>79Labs >> >> >>*/Ron /* wrote: >> >> Chris Mann wrote: >> > Guys >> > >> > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >> > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >> > >> > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >> > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >> > very very high. >> >> I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges >> about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they >> sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the >> tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) >> was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak >> originals. >> >> I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open >> market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks >> we are talking about there). He's probably a likable >> fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves >> and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing >> demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another >> thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" >> and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >> > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >> > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >> > confident that his skill and a superior product would >> > help me do a good job. >> > >> > Glad to say it turned out that way. >> > >> > Chris > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 00:01:10 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <443BE8BD.2070804@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060411220110.10351.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Next time,don't get too carried away Ron. It ends up making others on the list look bad and gives Nalktalk a bad image. Bala Ron wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi, > > I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may appear > workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. > In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few > other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the longer run. > While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the > thousands, individuals may be in a very different situation. But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. > As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no > need for sleazy marketing. In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I I actually applaud his willingness to help others with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected to the way Dean's tires were described by another poster, not by him. > As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. > The effort, dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal > duties, to procur these parts, and send them needs a token of appreciation. > > Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This is a > welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for problems, > that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. And who might those be? -- Ron > > Bala > 79Labs > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Chris Mann wrote: > > Guys > > > > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends > > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. > > > > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but > > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is > > very very high. > > I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges > about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they > sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the > tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) > was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak > originals. > > I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open > market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks > we are talking about there). He's probably a likable > fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves > and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing > demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another > thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" > and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. > > -- Ron > > > > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay > > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* > > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so > > confident that his skill and a superior product would > > help me do a good job. > > > > Glad to say it turned out that way. > > > > Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Tue Apr 11 23:43:05 2006 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:43:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Print-through and zeppelin Message-ID: <458FC5C7269F8B4A95C782DB2CED6E7D0284FD84@ued8.UE.com> nak'rs I remember LZII lp to have a very noticable print-thru effect... knowing what you've said here, I wonder... would this be present on the CD release as well???? andy -----Original Message----- From: Fred Lifton [mailto:flifton at mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Print-through and zeppelin That's a great story, Ed. Thanks for sharing it. That's a popular move in the computer world too, just re-classify a bug as a feature... LOL Fred On Apr 11, 2006, at 12:46 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > All this discussion of print through reminds me of a story an old > engineer friend told me. He had worked quite a bit with Eddie > Kramer in the 1970's and mentioned how When Eddie would track > Robert Plant and Led Zeppelin way back when, the needles on the > deck would either not be moving, or they would be essentially > pegged with a +10db signal. To say he liked to use the tape as a > compressor would be a bit of an understatement. Anyway, I had > always assumed that the vocals that come out of silence near the > end of Whole Lotta Love had a pre-echo because of print through on > the record, but it was in fact the result of the multitrack master > being stored for several months before the final mixdown. > Fortunately Plant apparently marveled at the "effect" and was quite > pleased. ----------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and files transmitted with it are the property of Utility Engineering Corporation and/or its affiliates, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipients or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From bonarigo at hhmi.org Wed Apr 12 00:03:28 2006 From: bonarigo at hhmi.org (Bonarigo, Marc) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:03:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Print-Through Followup -and more! Message-ID: <17CE94AAD6450D4A88E22D4E7E37FD7E02E527A3@hqexch3.hhmi.org> I hate to be the party-pooper here but the pre-echo on Whole Lotta Love wasn't the result of LP print-through or tape print-through due to a multi-track being stored for months before being mixed. It was intentional and was the result of Jimmy Page requesting that echo be added to the song as the tape was being played backwards. Presto...pre-echo. The part about pegging the meters sounds right though - especially for Led Zep 2. Lots of tape overload on that one. Perfect for that record. ________________________________ From: Edward Noyes [mailto:enoyes at snet.net] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:53 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Print-Through Followup -and more! All this discussion of print through reminds me of a story an old engineer friend told me. He had worked quite a bit with Eddie Kramer in the 1970's and mentioned how When Eddie would track Robert Plant and Led Zeppelin way back when, the needles on the deck would either not be moving, or they would be essentially pegged with a +10db signal. To say he liked to use the tape as a compressor would be a bit of an understatement. Anyway, I had always assumed that the vocals that come out of silence near the end of Whole Lotta Love had a pre-echo because of print through on the record, but it was in fact the result of the multitrack master being stored for several months before the final mixdown. Fortunately Plant apparently marveled at the "effect" and was quite pleased. Ed Greg Fuentes wrote: Thanks again. I'll listen closely to determine if I hear print-through on some of the 100 min TDK tapes I used for recording several years ago, or on 120 minute tapes I receive from a local govt when I make public records act requests concerning public meetings. Regards, Gallego -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 12 00:11:49 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:11:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So, if there is "no market" for cassette machines anymore, why did Pioneer launch a brand new model (the T-D7)in December 2004 for the Japanese market of all places? It seems to me that markets exist or not because of what marketers choose to persuade us to buy. I'm pretty sure that if Sony et al wanted to do so they could reverse from MD back into cassette if it suited their purpose. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 11 April 2006 19:44 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? I'm sure you're right..I'm just having fun with this, not being serious about them actually making cassettes again, because, like you said, I know there wouldn't be a market for it. For the first question, I was thinking more in terms of what the dollar buys now and what it bought back then, so what would the ZX7 cost today, with inflation? Just to get an idea of what the costs were back then. I couldn't buy a ZX7 for some time back then beause it was a "lot of money" back then, but if it were the same $1200 today, it wouldn't be as big a deal, although it would be expensive compared to other decks that have gone up in quality and down in price (or maybe they've gone down in quality over the last couple of years, right?). But, just considering inflation, it wouldn't be, it would be a LOT more, like, how much, do you think? Doane From N4229K at aol.com Wed Apr 12 00:27:03 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:27:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: <39b.80c5d.316d8737@aol.com> You know once a guy put an evaluator in his ebay ad based on cost and year to project forward for todays cost. But can't just rely on that. Who would think a 1972 Plymouth 'CUDA convertible with a 426 Hemi & shaker hood (only seven were made) would sell for 2.4 million and cost about $4000. OR A Technics 1700 which cost about $3000 would sell for around $1000 (average in nice shape). Rareness demand, and technical advance have to be factored in also. My primary business is an actuarial firm and we can tell you the average age of death for a Nak owner. LOL Regards to all, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 03:57:34 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <39b.80c5d.316d8737@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060412015734.82342.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So I guess Nak owners would have a longer life right? Since they provide us with good music, or keep us from all other manners of vice thanks to that idler tire or roller that needs to be fixed :) N4229K at aol.com wrote: You know once a guy put an evaluator in his ebay ad based on cost and year to project forward for todays cost. But can't just rely on that. Who would think a 1972 Plymouth 'CUDA convertible with a 426 Hemi & shaker hood (only seven were made) would sell for 2.4 million and cost about $4000. OR A Technics 1700 which cost about $3000 would sell for around $1000 (average in nice shape). Rareness demand, and technical advance have to be factored in also. My primary business is an actuarial firm and we can tell you the average age of death for a Nak owner. LOL Regards to all, Dean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bonarigo at hhmi.org Wed Apr 12 00:29:58 2006 From: bonarigo at hhmi.org (Bonarigo, Marc) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:29:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Print-through and zeppelin Message-ID: <17CE94AAD6450D4A88E22D4E7E37FD7E02E527AE@hqexch3.hhmi.org> Per my post subsequent to yours...yes. The pre-echo was intentional and is on the master tape therefore it would be on the CD. If it's on the master tape -- whether intentional (as in this case) or tape print-through -- it would be on the CD. Vinyl print-through caused by the cutting engineer not spacing the grooves out enough would not be on the master tape and therefore not on the CD (unless the CD was a needle-drop, of course). -----Original Message----- From: Dundis, Andy [mailto:Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Print-through and zeppelin nak'rs I remember LZII lp to have a very noticable print-thru effect... knowing what you've said here, I wonder... would this be present on the CD release as well???? andy -----Original Message----- From: Fred Lifton [mailto:flifton at mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Print-through and zeppelin That's a great story, Ed. Thanks for sharing it. That's a popular move in the computer world too, just re-classify a bug as a feature... LOL Fred On Apr 11, 2006, at 12:46 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > All this discussion of print through reminds me of a story an old > engineer friend told me. He had worked quite a bit with Eddie > Kramer in the 1970's and mentioned how When Eddie would track > Robert Plant and Led Zeppelin way back when, the needles on the > deck would either not be moving, or they would be essentially > pegged with a +10db signal. To say he liked to use the tape as a > compressor would be a bit of an understatement. Anyway, I had > always assumed that the vocals that come out of silence near the > end of Whole Lotta Love had a pre-echo because of print through on > the record, but it was in fact the result of the multitrack master > being stored for several months before the final mixdown. > Fortunately Plant apparently marveled at the "effect" and was quite > pleased. ----------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and files transmitted with it are the property of Utility Engineering Corporation and/or its affiliates, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipients or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 12 00:22:17 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:22:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443BE579.2030505@rcn.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060411172217.00818d90@earthlink.net> A funny nakamichi fact. In the US, in 1974, the list prices were as follows: 700 $700 500 $500 1000 $1000 pretty interesting huh? from orion: 580 $650 550 560 600 600 600II 655 680 1350 680ZX 1550 682zx 1800 zx7 1250 ZX9 1550 CR7 1695 1000zxL 3800 but they don't list the gold plated version. tom brucker At 01:20 PM 4/11/06 -0400, you wrote: > >Doane, > >As you know, there is no correlation whatsoever >between what a high tech product sold 25 years >ago and what it would sell for now. Pricing is >affected by a whole lot more than self cost. For >example, a Sony CD player cost upwards of $1000 >in the late 80s; a far batter player costs $70 >now. > >To answer your last question, a ZX-7 would cost >a fortune, as a new product, today; mainly, due >to the tiny market size. This in no way reflects >the product value. Just bear in mind that no high >tech company uses the cost plus method to >determine prices. Nowadays, the key word is >'strategic pricing'... > >-- Ron > > > >Doane Hoag wrote: >> Just for fun... How much would a ZX7 that sold for about $1200 new in >> 1980-85.. how much would it sell for today, if you only figure in inflation, >> etc.? >> >> Or how about one of the earlier Naks, like a 581, that I think sold for >> about $900 new, etc.? >> >> Then, looking at it differently, how much could/would a ZX7 equivalent deck >> sell for today, with the benefit of modern manufacturing techniques.. any >> one want to guess? >> >> Doane >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Chris Mann >> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:31 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >> >> >> Guys >> >> I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >> Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >> >> Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >> his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >> very very high. >> >> I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >> but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >> tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >> confident that his skill and a superior product would >> help me do a good job. >> >> Glad to say it turned out that way. >> >> Chris > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 12 00:32:37 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:32:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <443BE8BD.2070804@rcn.com> References: <20060411153535.40064.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060411153535.40064.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060411173237.00819270@earthlink.net> One reason to belong to a community is to learn from and help each other. With men, unfortunately, money always seems to create friction. The good thing about any of the "buy it now" eBay parts is the average guy can keep his turntable or whatever running. All the prices I see are high, but then I am on the inside. NakTalk now has insider pricing. That is a good thing! The original C80635 idler came mounted on a wheel, and was about $ 1.35 cost when it was available. Today, ESL may have the originals, but most everyone uses generic tires. If you order from MCM, you pay 7.95 in shipping, so that 56 cent tire is really an eight dollar tire. I am very new to NakTalk, but I do have news group experience, and typically when part of the community becomes greedy, or commercial concerns begin to dominate, the community spirit begins to suffer. I, in the last few days, have been very commercial, and I feel out of place beginning a lecture, so I will stop and leave it to our wiser members to guide me down the proper path. tom brucker At 01:34 PM 4/11/06 -0400, you wrote: >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may appear >> workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. > >What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. > >> In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few >> other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the longer run. >> While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the >> thousands, individuals may be in a very different situation. > >But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. >IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. > >> As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no > > need for sleazy marketing. > >In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I >I actually applaud his willingness to help others >with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay >offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected >to the way Dean's tires were described by another >poster, not by him. > >> As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. >> The effort, dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal >> duties, to procur these parts, and send them needs a token of appreciation. >> >> Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This is a >> welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for problems, >> that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. > >And who might those be? > >-- Ron > >> >> Bala >> 79Labs >> >> >> */Ron /* wrote: >> >> Chris Mann wrote: >> > Guys >> > >> > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >> > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >> > >> > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >> > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >> > very very high. >> >> I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges >> about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they >> sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the >> tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) >> was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak >> originals. >> >> I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open >> market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks >> we are talking about there). He's probably a likable >> fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves >> and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing >> demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another >> thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" >> and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >> > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >> > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >> > confident that his skill and a superior product would >> > help me do a good job. >> > >> > Glad to say it turned out that way. >> > >> > Chris > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 12 00:45:40 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:45:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060411174540.00820a10@earthlink.net> The Dragon uses CA8193 idler like the 480, 480, 680. This idler rarely wears out. it is a pain to change. Alex, what is your native language? I am impressed at your courage writing about technical topics in English. tom brucker At 09:07 PM 4/11/06 +0000, you wrote: >Shalom Ron! > >Sorry for my "Silly/stupid" question...where is such "Idler Tire"...per >example in my lovely Dragon? > >Second...how I can detect that is bad worn...& what is the job of such item? >My received Dragon still "Factory Untouched"...BTW,,,only I need to change >the cam belt...with the help of an a superbly good friend, also a member of >our Nak forum, which sent me a replacement...my Dragon...true...was "Boxed' >for 20 years...completely "UN-used" (Only record & play one TDK SA-90 >cassette), which was inside the box when I open the box...never make me any >trouble at all...so how I can detect something NOT good with such >"Idler"...Ron? > >Thank you & peace! > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:34:53 -0400 >> >>Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>Hi, >>> I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may appear >>>workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. >> >>What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. >> >>>In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few other >>>suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the longer run. While >>>MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the thousands, individuals >>>may be in a very different situation. >> >>But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. >>IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. >> >>>As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no >> > need for sleazy marketing. >> >>In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I >>I actually applaud his willingness to help others >>with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay >>offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected >>to the way Dean's tires were described by another >>poster, not by him. >> >>>As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. The effort, >>>dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal duties, to >>>procur these parts, and send them needs a token of appreciation. >>> >>>Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This is a >>>welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for problems, that >>>needs a myriad of explanation and tools. >> >>And who might those be? >> >>-- Ron >> >>> Bala >>>79Labs >>> >>> >>>*/Ron /* wrote: >>> >>> Chris Mann wrote: >>> > Guys >>> > >>> > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >>> > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >>> > >>> > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >>> > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >>> > very very high. >>> >>> I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges >>> about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they >>> sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the >>> tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) >>> was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak >>> originals. >>> >>> I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open >>> market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks >>> we are talking about there). He's probably a likable >>> fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves >>> and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing >>> demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another >>> thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" >>> and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >>> > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >>> > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >>> > confident that his skill and a superior product would >>> > help me do a good job. >>> > >>> > Glad to say it turned out that way. >>> > >>> > Chris >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rob at rhoag.com Wed Apr 12 02:07:02 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:07:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443C13A8.7030008@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Thanks, Luis: I just bookmarked that.. boy does that make you think. The ZX7 $1200 US cost in 1980 would be almost $3000.00 today! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Jeff from eslabs used to forward this address: http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl Best rgds, LP. Doane Hoag wrote: > I'm sure you're right..I'm just having fun with this, not being serious > about them actually making cassettes again, because, like you said, I know > there wouldn't be a market for it. > For the first question, I was thinking more in terms of what the dollar buys > now and what it bought back then, so what would the ZX7 cost today, with > inflation? Just to get an idea of what the costs were back then. I couldn't > buy a ZX7 for some time back then beause it was a "lot of money" back then, > but if it were the same $1200 today, it wouldn't be as big a deal, although > it would be expensive compared to other decks that have gone up in quality > and down in price (or maybe they've gone down in quality over the last > couple of years, right?). But, just considering inflation, it wouldn't be, > it would be a LOT more, like, how much, do you think? > > Doane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:21 AM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > > > Doane, > > As you know, there is no correlation whatsoever > between what a high tech product sold 25 years > ago and what it would sell for now. Pricing is > affected by a whole lot more than self cost. For > example, a Sony CD player cost upwards of $1000 > in the late 80s; a far batter player costs $70 > now. > > To answer your last question, a ZX-7 would cost > a fortune, as a new product, today; mainly, due > to the tiny market size. This in no way reflects > the product value. Just bear in mind that no high > tech company uses the cost plus method to > determine prices. Nowadays, the key word is > 'strategic pricing'... > > -- Ron > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> Just for fun... How much would a ZX7 that sold for about $1200 new in >> 1980-85.. how much would it sell for today, if you only figure in > inflation, >> etc.? >> >> Or how about one of the earlier Naks, like a 581, that I think sold for >> about $900 new, etc.? >> >> Then, looking at it differently, how much could/would a ZX7 equivalent > deck >> sell for today, with the benefit of modern manufacturing techniques.. any >> one want to guess? >> >> Doane >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Chris Mann >> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:31 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >> >> >> Guys >> >> I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >> Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >> >> Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >> his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >> very very high. >> >> I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >> but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >> tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >> confident that his skill and a superior product would >> help me do a good job. >> >> Glad to say it turned out that way. >> >> Chris > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Apr 12 02:32:38 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:32:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <39b.80c5d.316d8737@aol.com> Message-ID: LOL... How do you do that, based on the Nak model he owns and the type of music he plays? Pleas, I don't want to know. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of N4229K at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:27 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? You know once a guy put an evaluator in his ebay ad based on cost and year to project forward for todays cost. But can't just rely on that. Who would think a 1972 Plymouth 'CUDA convertible with a 426 Hemi & shaker hood (only seven were made) would sell for 2.4 million and cost about $4000. OR A Technics 1700 which cost about $3000 would sell for around $1000 (average in nice shape). Rareness demand, and technical advance have to be factored in also. My primary business is an actuarial firm and we can tell you the average age of death for a Nak owner. LOL Regards to all, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Apr 12 02:32:37 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:32:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Gra: Maybe my choice of words could have been better... There is obviously not the mass market for cassette decks or players that there was back in 80's to 90's when you could go into any grocery store and have a whole rack of different cassette manufactures available with all different qualities available.. when was the last time you went into a store, even an audio store and found much to choose from? The tape companies are a barometer of the market for this audio equipment and there isn't very much available anymore. And do you remember when any good audio store had at least 50 different decks in different prices? Nakamichi isn't even making them any more, tragically. What I'm saying is that I don't think we are ever going to see the quality of Nakamichi decks mass produced again. You may find specialty, small companies making esoteric cassette decks, but I'm not even sure about that because they are much more complicated to make then making tube amps and other such vintage, resurrected audio equipment that are basically just proven audio circuits with industry proven tube types that are still available. I don't know about the Pioneer T-D7, maybe there is more interest in Japan then in other countries...but if the market was in the other countries they would be selling them, right? I don't agree with your last statement.. markets are determined by demand, not by what we are persuaded to buy.. the demand for the cassette deck died as the demand for the CD exploded.. all advertising does is try to convince you to buy their brand. Do you actually think that Sony (for what ever reason) could launch an advertising campaign to buy cassette decks again and that people would give up their CD players, Ipods, etc., and go back? They might get more cassette sales, but they would also loose a lot of money in the process. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:12 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? So, if there is "no market" for cassette machines anymore, why did Pioneer launch a brand new model (the T-D7)in December 2004 for the Japanese market of all places? It seems to me that markets exist or not because of what marketers choose to persuade us to buy. I'm pretty sure that if Sony et al wanted to do so they could reverse from MD back into cassette if it suited their purpose. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 11 April 2006 19:44 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? I'm sure you're right..I'm just having fun with this, not being serious about them actually making cassettes again, because, like you said, I know there wouldn't be a market for it. For the first question, I was thinking more in terms of what the dollar buys now and what it bought back then, so what would the ZX7 cost today, with inflation? Just to get an idea of what the costs were back then. I couldn't buy a ZX7 for some time back then beause it was a "lot of money" back then, but if it were the same $1200 today, it wouldn't be as big a deal, although it would be expensive compared to other decks that have gone up in quality and down in price (or maybe they've gone down in quality over the last couple of years, right?). But, just considering inflation, it wouldn't be, it would be a LOT more, like, how much, do you think? Doane ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Apr 12 09:37:52 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:37:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job Message-ID: Hi Tom! I was born in Lima/Peru, immigrated to Israel in 1963. As my native language is Spanish of course Yes I speak well hebrew...write "Extremely Bad"...never was so important for me, at that point...that my computer don't support Hebrew language...only English & Spanish...here at Hotmail & Gmail account. Yes I try very well to specify myself in Technical Issues...as best as possible. Peace to you Tom! ALEX! >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:45:40 -0500 > >The Dragon uses CA8193 idler like the 480, 480, 680. This idler rarely >wears out. it is a pain to change. >Alex, what is your native language? I am impressed at your courage writing >about technical topics in English. > > >tom brucker > >At 09:07 PM 4/11/06 +0000, you wrote: > >Shalom Ron! > > > >Sorry for my "Silly/stupid" question...where is such "Idler Tire"...per > >example in my lovely Dragon? > > > >Second...how I can detect that is bad worn...& what is the job of such >item? > >My received Dragon still "Factory Untouched"...BTW,,,only I need to >change > >the cam belt...with the help of an a superbly good friend, also a member >of > >our Nak forum, which sent me a replacement...my Dragon...true...was >"Boxed' > >for 20 years...completely "UN-used" (Only record & play one TDK SA-90 > >cassette), which was inside the box when I open the box...never make me >any > >trouble at all...so how I can detect something NOT good with such > >"Idler"...Ron? > > > >Thank you & peace! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Ron > >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job > >>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:34:53 -0400 > >> > >>Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >>>Hi, > >>> I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may >appear > >>>workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. > >> > >>What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. > >> > >>>In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few >other > >>>suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the longer run. >While > >>>MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the thousands, >individuals > >>>may be in a very different situation. > >> > >>But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. > >>IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. > >> > >>>As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no > >> > need for sleazy marketing. > >> > >>In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I > >>I actually applaud his willingness to help others > >>with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay > >>offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected > >>to the way Dean's tires were described by another > >>poster, not by him. > >> > >>>As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. The effort, > >>>dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal duties, to > >>>procur these parts, and send them needs a token of appreciation. > >>> > >>>Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This is a > >>>welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for problems, >that > >>>needs a myriad of explanation and tools. > >> > >>And who might those be? > >> > >>-- Ron > >> > >>> Bala > >>>79Labs > >>> > >>> > >>>*/Ron /* wrote: > >>> > >>> Chris Mann wrote: > >>> > Guys > >>> > > >>> > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends > >>> > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. > >>> > > >>> > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but > >>> > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is > >>> > very very high. > >>> > >>> I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges > >>> about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they > >>> sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the > >>> tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) > >>> was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak > >>> originals. > >>> > >>> I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open > >>> market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks > >>> we are talking about there). He's probably a likable > >>> fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves > >>> and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing > >>> demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another > >>> thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" > >>> and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. > >>> > >>> -- Ron > >>> > >>> > >>> > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay > >>> > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* > >>> > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so > >>> > confident that his skill and a superior product would > >>> > help me do a good job. > >>> > > >>> > Glad to say it turned out that way. > >>> > > >>> > Chris > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 12 11:07:57 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:07:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job Message-ID: <13719.212.78.164.66.1144832877.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Tom, Where do they differ these idlers and the one used in lets say an LX-3/5? Are they interchangable? Wouter > The Dragon uses CA8193 idler like the 480, 480, 680. This idler rarely > wears out. it is a pain to change. > > tom brucker From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 12 13:06:44 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:06:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts Message-ID: <21046.212.78.164.66.1144840004.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All, As the idler problem seems to be less of a problem what are the most wanted/needed parts that remain? I would say cosmetic parts, or certain ZXL parts? What do you think? Wouter From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Apr 12 13:22:52 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:22:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts In-Reply-To: <21046.212.78.164.66.1144840004.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <21046.212.78.164.66.1144840004.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <443CE30C.70500@cox.net> The two prime maintenance parts in my book are the rubber tire and capstan belt for the classic Nak mechanism (480/580/680/ZX), followed by the cam belt and then the pinch rollers, for the same models. Is there a good source for the capstan belt? Tim Wouter Heijke wrote: >Hi All, > >As the idler problem seems to be less of a problem what are the most >wanted/needed parts that remain? > >I would say cosmetic parts, or certain ZXL parts? What do you think? > >Wouter > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 12 13:51:30 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:51:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443CE9C2.70907@rcn.com> Alex, Sorry, I can't help you. The last time I serviced a classic Nakamichi transport was a long time ago. I can still do it, but cannot really describe it for you from memory. I used to order parts from Nak in Torrance, CA. I doubt they still carry any of these parts. As to the location of the idler -- this is difficult to explain in words. Take a look at the Dragon service manual, page 18, Figure 5.7, which is an exploded view of assembly C02. Locate item 8. This is the idler assembly. If you do not have the service manual, I'll be happy to email this section to you, if your email provider allows 7MB files. Best regards, -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Ron! > > Sorry for my "Silly/stupid" question...where is such "Idler Tire"...per > example in my lovely Dragon? > > Second...how I can detect that is bad worn...& what is the job of such > item? My received Dragon still "Factory Untouched"...BTW,,,only I need > to change the cam belt...with the help of an a superbly good friend, > also a member of our Nak forum, which sent me a replacement...my > Dragon...true...was "Boxed' for 20 years...completely "UN-used" (Only > record & play one TDK SA-90 cassette), which was inside the box when I > open the box...never make me any trouble at all...so how I can detect > something NOT good with such "Idler"...Ron? > > Thank you & peace! > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Ron >> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:34:53 -0400 >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may >>> appear workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. >> >> What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. >> >>> In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few >>> other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the longer >>> run. While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the >>> thousands, individuals may be in a very different situation. >> >> But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. >> IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. >> >>> As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no >> > need for sleazy marketing. >> >> In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I >> I actually applaud his willingness to help others >> with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay >> offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected >> to the way Dean's tires were described by another >> poster, not by him. >> >>> As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. The >>> effort, dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal >>> duties, to procur these parts, and send them needs a token of >>> appreciation. >>> >>> Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This is >>> a welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for >>> problems, that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. >> >> And who might those be? >> >> -- Ron >> >>> Bala >>> 79Labs >>> >>> >>> */Ron /* wrote: >>> >>> Chris Mann wrote: >>> > Guys >>> > >>> > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >>> > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >>> > >>> > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >>> > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >>> > very very high. >>> >>> I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges >>> about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they >>> sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the >>> tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) >>> was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak >>> originals. >>> >>> I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open >>> market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks >>> we are talking about there). He's probably a likable >>> fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves >>> and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing >>> demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another >>> thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" >>> and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >>> > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >>> > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >>> > confident that his skill and a superior product would >>> > help me do a good job. >>> > >>> > Glad to say it turned out that way. >>> > >>> > Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 12 14:03:55 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:03:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443CECAB.9020201@rcn.com> That's true, Graham, but to a limited degree. Products are brought to market for a variety of reasons; for Japanese companies, not always immediate profit. We can't tell for sure, but Pioneer could have deemed this niche product of high strategic importance. And, BTW, there is a sizable Japanese market for super high end audio products. See the ridiculously expensive line of Denon electronics, that they do not even bother to sell in the US market. --Ron Nelson wrote: > So, if there is "no market" for cassette machines anymore, why did Pioneer > launch a brand new model (the T-D7)in December 2004 for the Japanese market > of all places? > > It seems to me that markets exist or not because of what marketers choose to > persuade us to buy. I'm pretty sure that if Sony et al wanted to do so they > could reverse from MD back into cassette if it suited their purpose. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 11 April 2006 19:44 > To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > > I'm sure you're right..I'm just having fun with this, not being serious > about them actually making cassettes again, because, like you said, I know > there wouldn't be a market for it. > For the first question, I was thinking more in terms of what the dollar buys > now and what it bought back then, so what would the ZX7 cost today, with > inflation? Just to get an idea of what the costs were back then. I couldn't > buy a ZX7 for some time back then beause it was a "lot of money" back then, > but if it were the same $1200 today, it wouldn't be as big a deal, although > it would be expensive compared to other decks that have gone up in quality > and down in price (or maybe they've gone down in quality over the last > couple of years, right?). But, just considering inflation, it wouldn't be, > it would be a LOT more, like, how much, do you think? > > Doane From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Apr 12 14:05:49 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:05:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job Message-ID: Shalom Ron! First of all an Happy Passover festivities...thank you for your promptly reply, yet...seems me that it's NO needed to be replace...if or when will be worn, be 100% sure that I will ask you how to do it. Leheitraot, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:51:30 -0400 > > >Alex, > >Sorry, I can't help you. The last time I serviced a >classic Nakamichi transport was a long time ago. I >can still do it, but cannot really describe it for >you from memory. I used to order parts from Nak in >Torrance, CA. I doubt they still carry any of these >parts. > >As to the location of the idler -- this is difficult >to explain in words. Take a look at the Dragon service >manual, page 18, Figure 5.7, which is an exploded view >of assembly C02. Locate item 8. This is the idler >assembly. If you do not have the service manual, I'll >be happy to email this section to you, if your email >provider allows 7MB files. > >Best regards, > >-- Ron > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Shalom Ron! >> >>Sorry for my "Silly/stupid" question...where is such "Idler Tire"...per >>example in my lovely Dragon? >> >>Second...how I can detect that is bad worn...& what is the job of such >>item? My received Dragon still "Factory Untouched"...BTW,,,only I need to >>change the cam belt...with the help of an a superbly good friend, also a >>member of our Nak forum, which sent me a replacement...my >>Dragon...true...was "Boxed' for 20 years...completely "UN-used" (Only >>record & play one TDK SA-90 cassette), which was inside the box when I >>open the box...never make me any trouble at all...so how I can detect >>something NOT good with such "Idler"...Ron? >> >>Thank you & peace! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Ron >>>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >>>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:34:53 -0400 >>> >>>Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>>Hi, >>>> I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may >>>>appear workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. >>> >>>What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. >>> >>>>In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few >>>>other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the longer run. >>>>While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the thousands, >>>>individuals may be in a very different situation. >>> >>>But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. >>>IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. >>> >>>>As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no >>> > need for sleazy marketing. >>> >>>In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I >>>I actually applaud his willingness to help others >>>with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay >>>offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected >>>to the way Dean's tires were described by another >>>poster, not by him. >>> >>>>As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. The effort, >>>>dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal duties, to >>>>procur these parts, and send them needs a token of appreciation. >>>> >>>>Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This is a >>>>welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for problems, >>>>that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. >>> >>>And who might those be? >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>>> Bala >>>>79Labs >>>> >>>> >>>>*/Ron /* wrote: >>>> >>>> Chris Mann wrote: >>>> > Guys >>>> > >>>> > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >>>> > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >>>> > >>>> > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >>>> > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >>>> > very very high. >>>> >>>> I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges >>>> about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they >>>> sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the >>>> tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) >>>> was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak >>>> originals. >>>> >>>> I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open >>>> market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks >>>> we are talking about there). He's probably a likable >>>> fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves >>>> and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing >>>> demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another >>>> thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" >>>> and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >>>> > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >>>> > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >>>> > confident that his skill and a superior product would >>>> > help me do a good job. >>>> > >>>> > Glad to say it turned out that way. >>>> > >>>> > Chris > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 12 16:41:43 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:41:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443D11A7.8080809@rcn.com> You're right, idlers on the classic Nak transport last a very long time -- just like on turntables. The Sankyo transport idler requires frequent replacement because it's too small -- a design mistake. -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Shalom Ron! > > First of all an Happy Passover festivities...thank you for your promptly > reply, yet...seems me that it's NO needed to be replace...if or when > will be worn, be 100% sure that I will ask you how to do it. > > Leheitraot, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Ron >> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:51:30 -0400 >> >> >> Alex, >> >> Sorry, I can't help you. The last time I serviced a >> classic Nakamichi transport was a long time ago. I >> can still do it, but cannot really describe it for >> you from memory. I used to order parts from Nak in >> Torrance, CA. I doubt they still carry any of these >> parts. >> >> As to the location of the idler -- this is difficult >> to explain in words. Take a look at the Dragon service >> manual, page 18, Figure 5.7, which is an exploded view >> of assembly C02. Locate item 8. This is the idler >> assembly. If you do not have the service manual, I'll >> be happy to email this section to you, if your email >> provider allows 7MB files. >> >> Best regards, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Alex Cozac wrote: >>> Shalom Ron! >>> >>> Sorry for my "Silly/stupid" question...where is such "Idler >>> Tire"...per example in my lovely Dragon? >>> >>> Second...how I can detect that is bad worn...& what is the job of >>> such item? My received Dragon still "Factory Untouched"...BTW,,,only >>> I need to change the cam belt...with the help of an a superbly good >>> friend, also a member of our Nak forum, which sent me a >>> replacement...my Dragon...true...was "Boxed' for 20 >>> years...completely "UN-used" (Only record & play one TDK SA-90 >>> cassette), which was inside the box when I open the box...never make >>> me any trouble at all...so how I can detect something NOT good with >>> such "Idler"...Ron? >>> >>> Thank you & peace! >>> >>> ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Ron >>>> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >>>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:34:53 -0400 >>>> >>>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may >>>>> appear workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. >>>> >>>> What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. >>>> >>>>> In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a >>>>> few other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the >>>>> longer run. While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in >>>>> the thousands, individuals may be in a very different situation. >>>> >>>> But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. >>>> IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. >>>> >>>>> As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no >>>> > need for sleazy marketing. >>>> >>>> In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I >>>> I actually applaud his willingness to help others >>>> with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay >>>> offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected >>>> to the way Dean's tires were described by another >>>> poster, not by him. >>>> >>>>> As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. The >>>>> effort, dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal >>>>> duties, to procur these parts, and send them needs a token of >>>>> appreciation. >>>>> >>>>> Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This >>>>> is a welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for >>>>> problems, that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. >>>> >>>> And who might those be? >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>>> Bala >>>>> 79Labs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> */Ron /* wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Chris Mann wrote: >>>>> > Guys >>>>> > >>>>> > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >>>>> > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >>>>> > >>>>> > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >>>>> > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >>>>> > very very high. >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges >>>>> about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they >>>>> sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the >>>>> tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) >>>>> was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak >>>>> originals. >>>>> >>>>> I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open >>>>> market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks >>>>> we are talking about there). He's probably a likable >>>>> fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves >>>>> and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing >>>>> demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another >>>>> thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" >>>>> and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >>>>> > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >>>>> > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >>>>> > confident that his skill and a superior product would >>>>> > help me do a good job. >>>>> > >>>>> > Glad to say it turned out that way. >>>>> > >>>>> > Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 12 16:45:00 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:45:00 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job] Message-ID: <443D126C.1040302@rcn.com> OK, papa. I will now go sit in the corner. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Next time,don't get too carried away Ron. It ends up making others on > the list look bad and gives Nalktalk a bad image. > > Bala > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may appear > > workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. > > What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. > > > In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few > > other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the > longer run. > > While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the > > thousands, individuals may be in a very different situation. > > But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. > IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. > > > As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no > > need for sleazy marketing. > > In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I > I actually applaud his willingness to help others > with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay > offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected > to the way Dean's tires were described by another > poster, not by him. > > > As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. > > The effort, dedication and perseverance to take time from ones > normal > > duties, to procur these parts, and send them needs a token of > appreciation. > > > > Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. > This is a > > welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for problems, > > that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. > > And who might those be? > > -- Ron > > > > > Bala > > 79Labs > > > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > Chris Mann wrote: > > > Guys > > > > > > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends > > > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. > > > > > > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but > > > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is > > > very very high. > > > > I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges > > about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they > > sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the > > tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) > > was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak > > originals. > > > > I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open > > market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks > > we are talking about there). He's probably a likable > > fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves > > and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing > > demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another > > thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" > > and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay > > > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* > > > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so > > > confident that his skill and a superior product would > > > help me do a good job. > > > > > > Glad to say it turned out that way. > > > > > > Chris From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Wed Apr 12 17:22:29 2006 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:22:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <443D11A7.8080809@rcn.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone: First time posting....so please bear with me. The option to convert Sankyo transports to gear drive seems to help mechanical reliability even though not improving the sonics of the deck. This is from what I have read, perhaps Tom can comment on this. I think Nakamichi went to the gear drive on the CR7's to address this problem. Is it expensive to covert a BX-300 to gear drive? boogie >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:41:43 -0400 > > >You're right, idlers on the classic Nak transport >last a very long time -- just like on turntables. >The Sankyo transport idler requires frequent >replacement because it's too small -- a design >mistake. > >-- Ron > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Shalom Ron! >> >>First of all an Happy Passover festivities...thank you for your promptly >>reply, yet...seems me that it's NO needed to be replace...if or when will >>be worn, be 100% sure that I will ask you how to do it. >> >>Leheitraot, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Ron >>>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >>>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:51:30 -0400 >>> >>> >>>Alex, >>> >>>Sorry, I can't help you. The last time I serviced a >>>classic Nakamichi transport was a long time ago. I >>>can still do it, but cannot really describe it for >>>you from memory. I used to order parts from Nak in >>>Torrance, CA. I doubt they still carry any of these >>>parts. >>> >>>As to the location of the idler -- this is difficult >>>to explain in words. Take a look at the Dragon service >>>manual, page 18, Figure 5.7, which is an exploded view >>>of assembly C02. Locate item 8. This is the idler >>>assembly. If you do not have the service manual, I'll >>>be happy to email this section to you, if your email >>>provider allows 7MB files. >>> >>>Best regards, >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>>Alex Cozac wrote: >>>>Shalom Ron! >>>> >>>>Sorry for my "Silly/stupid" question...where is such "Idler Tire"...per >>>>example in my lovely Dragon? >>>> >>>>Second...how I can detect that is bad worn...& what is the job of such >>>>item? My received Dragon still "Factory Untouched"...BTW,,,only I need >>>>to change the cam belt...with the help of an a superbly good friend, >>>>also a member of our Nak forum, which sent me a replacement...my >>>>Dragon...true...was "Boxed' for 20 years...completely "UN-used" (Only >>>>record & play one TDK SA-90 cassette), which was inside the box when I >>>>open the box...never make me any trouble at all...so how I can detect >>>>something NOT good with such "Idler"...Ron? >>>> >>>>Thank you & peace! >>>> >>>>ALEX! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: Ron >>>>>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> >>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >>>>>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:34:53 -0400 >>>>> >>>>>Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>>>>Hi, >>>>>> I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may >>>>>>appear workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. >>>>> >>>>>What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. >>>>> >>>>>>In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few >>>>>>other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the longer >>>>>>run. While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the >>>>>>thousands, individuals may be in a very different situation. >>>>> >>>>>But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. >>>>>IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. >>>>> >>>>>>As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no >>>>> > need for sleazy marketing. >>>>> >>>>>In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I >>>>>I actually applaud his willingness to help others >>>>>with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay >>>>>offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected >>>>>to the way Dean's tires were described by another >>>>>poster, not by him. >>>>> >>>>>>As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. The effort, >>>>>>dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal duties, to >>>>>>procur these parts, and send them needs a token of appreciation. >>>>>> >>>>>>Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This is >>>>>>a welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for problems, >>>>>>that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. >>>>> >>>>>And who might those be? >>>>> >>>>>-- Ron >>>>> >>>>>> Bala >>>>>>79Labs >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>*/Ron /* wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Mann wrote: >>>>>> > Guys >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >>>>>> > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >>>>>> > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >>>>>> > very very high. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges >>>>>> about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they >>>>>> sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the >>>>>> tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) >>>>>> was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak >>>>>> originals. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open >>>>>> market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks >>>>>> we are talking about there). He's probably a likable >>>>>> fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves >>>>>> and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing >>>>>> demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another >>>>>> thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" >>>>>> and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >>>>>> > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >>>>>> > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >>>>>> > confident that his skill and a superior product would >>>>>> > help me do a good job. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Glad to say it turned out that way. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Chris > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 12 18:25:48 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts In-Reply-To: <21046.212.78.164.66.1144840004.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060412162548.28454.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Certain ZXL Parts? Regards Bala 79Labs Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi All, As the idler problem seems to be less of a problem what are the most wanted/needed parts that remain? I would say cosmetic parts, or certain ZXL parts? What do you think? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From N4229K at aol.com Wed Apr 12 20:02:13 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:02:13 EDT Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job] Message-ID: <38a.3cc051.316e9aa5@aol.com> Just to let you know Chis Mann withdrew from the Nak list because of the tire discussion. I have written him and have half way persuaded him to rejoin our group. I feel we need all the Nak enthusiasts we can get. Each has his own view and that what makes it so great. Please write to Chris if you feel you would like him to rejoin. (_cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk_ (mailto:cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk) ) I would do the same for any of you, my Nak friends. Thanks Dean In a message dated 4/12/2006 12:13:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: OK, papa. I will now go sit in the corner. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Next time,don't get too carried away Ron. It ends up making others on > the list look bad and gives Nalktalk a bad image. > > Bala > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Apr 12 20:11:58 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:11:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts Message-ID: <20060412181158.JPXN17664.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Is it the same window as the 505? Some guy just had two seperate auctions for that window from England. $70+ was the start bid. > > From: N4229K at aol.com > Date: 2006/04/12 Wed PM 01:53:33 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Most wanted parts > > I have written many times for The clear plastic lens (window) for a RX-202 > deck. If I can't find any it is my next project to manufacture. If any on > wants to sell I'll give top dollar. > Dean > > Certain ZXL Parts? > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hi All, > > As the idler problem seems to be less of a problem what are the most > wanted/needed parts that remain? > > I would say cosmetic parts, or certain ZXL parts? What do you think? > > Wouter > > > > -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Apr 12 20:15:06 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:15:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: Items Wanted Lists Message-ID: <20060412181506.JQMN29406.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Has it ever been considered to have a For Sale of Items Wanted list on Naks.com? For instance, I am looking for a Dragon or B215 possibly and would like to know that it would come from someone I trust on this group. Comments anyon? Of course, the list would also have to be moderated so this fliers don't come in to sell their junk that they can't sell on ebay. From N4229K at aol.com Wed Apr 12 20:18:17 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:18:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts Message-ID: <37e.3ed30a.316e9e69@aol.com> I have cam belts in stock but have to get capstan belts. I can make a trip to PRB and buy them for you. Please send specs to confirm if you have them. Attached is list of belts. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: belts.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 59425 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 12 20:19:15 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:19:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443D44A3.90204@rcn.com> boogie man wrote: > Hi everyone: First time posting....so please bear with me. Welcome to the club... > The option to convert Sankyo transports to gear drive seems to help > mechanical reliability even though not improving the sonics of the deck. > This is from what I have read, perhaps Tom can comment on this. I think > Nakamichi went to the gear drive on the CR7's to address this problem. Actually, the gear idler does not improve reliability, per-se. It just has a longer life span (close to infinity). The rubber idler lasts about two years, give or take, under normal use. Compare it to phono styli -- the sapphire type will last about 50 hours of play, the diamond, over 1000. During their respective lifetime, their reliability is the same. > Is it expensive to covert a BX-300 to gear drive? Fairly expensive (used to be over $300 and I am not sure the kit is easily available). If you are willing to replace the rubber idler -- or have it replaced -- every so often, it is vastly cheaper. You can order a supply of these that will last you a lifetime for about $15 and if you learn to replace them yourself, the 15 minute job will cost nothing. -- Ron > > boogie > > >> From: Ron >> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:41:43 -0400 >> >> >> You're right, idlers on the classic Nak transport >> last a very long time -- just like on turntables. >> The Sankyo transport idler requires frequent >> replacement because it's too small -- a design >> mistake. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Alex Cozac wrote: >>> Shalom Ron! >>> >>> First of all an Happy Passover festivities...thank you for your >>> promptly reply, yet...seems me that it's NO needed to be replace...if >>> or when will be worn, be 100% sure that I will ask you how to do it. >>> >>> Leheitraot, >>> >>> ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Ron >>>> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >>>> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:51:30 -0400 >>>> >>>> >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> Sorry, I can't help you. The last time I serviced a >>>> classic Nakamichi transport was a long time ago. I >>>> can still do it, but cannot really describe it for >>>> you from memory. I used to order parts from Nak in >>>> Torrance, CA. I doubt they still carry any of these >>>> parts. >>>> >>>> As to the location of the idler -- this is difficult >>>> to explain in words. Take a look at the Dragon service >>>> manual, page 18, Figure 5.7, which is an exploded view >>>> of assembly C02. Locate item 8. This is the idler >>>> assembly. If you do not have the service manual, I'll >>>> be happy to email this section to you, if your email >>>> provider allows 7MB files. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> Alex Cozac wrote: >>>>> Shalom Ron! >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for my "Silly/stupid" question...where is such "Idler >>>>> Tire"...per example in my lovely Dragon? >>>>> >>>>> Second...how I can detect that is bad worn...& what is the job of >>>>> such item? My received Dragon still "Factory >>>>> Untouched"...BTW,,,only I need to change the cam belt...with the >>>>> help of an a superbly good friend, also a member of our Nak forum, >>>>> which sent me a replacement...my Dragon...true...was "Boxed' for 20 >>>>> years...completely "UN-used" (Only record & play one TDK SA-90 >>>>> cassette), which was inside the box when I open the box...never >>>>> make me any trouble at all...so how I can detect something NOT good >>>>> with such "Idler"...Ron? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you & peace! >>>>> >>>>> ALEX! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: Ron >>>>>> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >>>>>> Decks >>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >>>>>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:34:53 -0400 >>>>>> >>>>>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may >>>>>>> appear workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. >>>>>> >>>>>> What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. >>>>>> >>>>>>> In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a >>>>>>> few other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the >>>>>>> longer run. While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in >>>>>>> the thousands, individuals may be in a very different situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. >>>>>> IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. >>>>>> >>>>>>> As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no >>>>>> > need for sleazy marketing. >>>>>> >>>>>> In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I >>>>>> I actually applaud his willingness to help others >>>>>> with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay >>>>>> offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected >>>>>> to the way Dean's tires were described by another >>>>>> poster, not by him. >>>>>> >>>>>>> As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. The >>>>>>> effort, dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal >>>>>>> duties, to procur these parts, and send them needs a token of >>>>>>> appreciation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. >>>>>>> This is a welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes >>>>>>> for problems, that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. >>>>>> >>>>>> And who might those be? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bala >>>>>>> 79Labs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> */Ron /* wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Mann wrote: >>>>>>> > Guys >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >>>>>>> > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >>>>>>> > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >>>>>>> > very very high. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges >>>>>>> about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they >>>>>>> sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the >>>>>>> tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) >>>>>>> was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak >>>>>>> originals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open >>>>>>> market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks >>>>>>> we are talking about there). He's probably a likable >>>>>>> fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves >>>>>>> and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing >>>>>>> demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another >>>>>>> thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" >>>>>>> and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >>>>>>> > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >>>>>>> > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >>>>>>> > confident that his skill and a superior product would >>>>>>> > help me do a good job. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Glad to say it turned out that way. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Chris > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 12 20:25:09 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:25:09 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job] In-Reply-To: <38a.3cc051.316e9aa5@aol.com> References: <38a.3cc051.316e9aa5@aol.com> Message-ID: <443D4605.3060500@rcn.com> Looks like I screwed upon this one... But I did publicly apologize, I hope he got around to reading it. In any case I don't see why he would withdraw, I will write to him and urge that he stay. -- Ron N4229K at aol.com wrote: > Just to let you know Chis Mann withdrew from the Nak list because of the > tire discussion. I have written him and have half way persuaded him to > rejoin our group. I feel we need all the Nak enthusiasts we can get. > Each has his own view and that what makes it so great. Please write to > Chris if you feel you would like him to rejoin. (cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk > ) > I would do the same for any of you, my Nak friends. > Thanks > Dean > > In a message dated 4/12/2006 12:13:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > OK, papa. I will now go sit in the corner. > > -- Ron > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Next time,don't get too carried away Ron. It ends up making > others on > > the list look bad and gives Nalktalk a bad image. > > > > Bala From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 12 20:56:43 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:56:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <443D44A3.90204@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002401c65e62$d812e240$7300a8c0@Shaun> B&W replace the tyre with idler gear when a Nak comes in for servicing at a reasonable cost. I think I paid £167 for a full service and gear upgrade for my BX-300 and a pack of 6 TDK SA. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 12 April 2006 19:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job boogie man wrote: > Hi everyone: First time posting....so please bear with me. Welcome to the club... > The option to convert Sankyo transports to gear drive seems to help > mechanical reliability even though not improving the sonics of the deck. > This is from what I have read, perhaps Tom can comment on this. I think > Nakamichi went to the gear drive on the CR7's to address this problem. Actually, the gear idler does not improve reliability, per-se. It just has a longer life span (close to infinity). The rubber idler lasts about two years, give or take, under normal use. Compare it to phono styli -- the sapphire type will last about 50 hours of play, the diamond, over 1000. During their respective lifetime, their reliability is the same. > Is it expensive to covert a BX-300 to gear drive? Fairly expensive (used to be over $300 and I am not sure the kit is easily available). If you are willing to replace the rubber idler -- or have it replaced -- every so often, it is vastly cheaper. You can order a supply of these that will last you a lifetime for about $15 and if you learn to replace them yourself, the 15 minute job will cost nothing. -- Ron > > boogie > > >> From: Ron >> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:41:43 -0400 >> >> >> You're right, idlers on the classic Nak transport >> last a very long time -- just like on turntables. >> The Sankyo transport idler requires frequent >> replacement because it's too small -- a design >> mistake. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Alex Cozac wrote: >>> Shalom Ron! >>> >>> First of all an Happy Passover festivities...thank you for your >>> promptly reply, yet...seems me that it's NO needed to be replace...if >>> or when will be worn, be 100% sure that I will ask you how to do it. >>> >>> Leheitraot, >>> >>> ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Ron >>>> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >>>> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:51:30 -0400 >>>> >>>> >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> Sorry, I can't help you. The last time I serviced a classic >>>> Nakamichi transport was a long time ago. I can still do it, but >>>> cannot really describe it for you from memory. I used to order >>>> parts from Nak in Torrance, CA. I doubt they still carry any of >>>> these parts. >>>> >>>> As to the location of the idler -- this is difficult >>>> to explain in words. Take a look at the Dragon service manual, page >>>> 18, Figure 5.7, which is an exploded view of assembly C02. Locate >>>> item 8. This is the idler assembly. If you do not have the service >>>> manual, I'll be happy to email this section to you, if your email >>>> provider allows 7MB files. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> Alex Cozac wrote: >>>>> Shalom Ron! >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for my "Silly/stupid" question...where is such "Idler >>>>> Tire"...per example in my lovely Dragon? >>>>> >>>>> Second...how I can detect that is bad worn...& what is the job of >>>>> such item? My received Dragon still "Factory >>>>> Untouched"...BTW,,,only I need to change the cam belt...with the >>>>> help of an a superbly good friend, also a member of our Nak forum, >>>>> which sent me a replacement...my Dragon...true...was "Boxed' for 20 >>>>> years...completely "UN-used" (Only record & play one TDK SA-90 >>>>> cassette), which was inside the box when I open the box...never >>>>> make me any trouble at all...so how I can detect something NOT good >>>>> with such "Idler"...Ron? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you & peace! >>>>> >>>>> ALEX! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: Ron >>>>>> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >>>>>> Decks >>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >>>>>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:34:53 -0400 >>>>>> >>>>>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I have to speak out here. While the initial quality >>>>>>> may >>>>>>> appear workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. >>>>>> >>>>>> What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. >>>>>> >>>>>>> In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a >>>>>>> few other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the >>>>>>> longer run. While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in >>>>>>> the thousands, individuals may be in a very different situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. >>>>>> IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. >>>>>> >>>>>>> As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no >>>>>> > need for sleazy marketing. >>>>>> >>>>>> In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I >>>>>> I actually applaud his willingness to help others >>>>>> with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay offering, which >>>>>> I do find dishonest, and objected to the way Dean's tires were >>>>>> described by another poster, not by him. >>>>>> >>>>>>> As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. The >>>>>>> effort, dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal >>>>>>> duties, to procur these parts, and send them needs a token of >>>>>>> appreciation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. >>>>>>> This is a welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes >>>>>>> for problems, that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. >>>>>> >>>>>> And who might those be? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bala >>>>>>> 79Labs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> */Ron /* wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Mann wrote: >>>>>>> > Guys >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >>>>>>> > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >>>>>>> > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >>>>>>> > very very high. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges >>>>>>> about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they >>>>>>> sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the >>>>>>> tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) >>>>>>> was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak >>>>>>> originals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open >>>>>>> market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks >>>>>>> we are talking about there). He's probably a likable >>>>>>> fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves >>>>>>> and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing >>>>>>> demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another >>>>>>> thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" >>>>>>> and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >>>>>>> > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >>>>>>> > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >>>>>>> > confident that his skill and a superior product would >>>>>>> > help me do a good job. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Glad to say it turned out that way. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1485 (20060412) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 12 21:37:36 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:37:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443D5700.9000005@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > What I'm saying is that I don't think we are ever going to see the quality > of Nakamichi decks mass produced again. You may find specialty, small > companies making esoteric cassette decks, but I'm not even sure about that > because they are much more complicated to make... Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree with this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great analog recorders do seem like a lost era! >...then making tube amps and > other such vintage, resurrected audio equipment that are basically just > proven audio circuits with industry proven tube types that are still > available. Which is spot on! Anyone can find some old piece of equipment and make new ones. This is a no-risk approach to business. someone else has done the hard work already. "Based on a vintage design" therefore means "we're making someone else's proven product." The main reason they exist, I think, is that many listeners deem that most new audio is unsatisfactory. People want the great sound of the past, so it is a logical thing to supply that market demand (notice: market demand!) by putting back into production a great audio product of the past. You see this most often in studio products. Yet many of the re-issuers miss an important issue. The vintage gear went out of production for various reason, often good reasons, like . This state of affairs is frustrating to the few of us who design totally new tube gear designs that aren't just a re-issue of some decades-old model. We get lumped in with the "vintage re-issuers" and people assume our designs are similarly imitative or derivative. Let me hasten to add I have no problem with the vintage re-issue crowd. They serve a need. They fill a growing demand for a quality of sound that would otherwise not be available, except to those few who can restore old gear to new condition. Hey, despite being an original designer, I wish I could manufacture new "vintage re-issue" Nakamichi 550, 600, 700-II, 1000ZXL, and 68?ZX cassette recorders! Guess I'll have to be content making an all-new esoteric cassette deck. Sniff. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 12 21:40:06 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:40:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060411172217.00818d90@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060411172217.00818d90@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <443D5796.5080609@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > A funny nakamichi fact. > In the US, in 1974, the list prices were as follows: > 700 $700 > 500 $500 > 1000 $1000 > This is why stores used to tell the old joke that Nakamichi's model numbers are actually the price tag to make it easy to remember the price. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Apr 12 22:09:36 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:09:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: Hi Kermit! It's NO funny...it's 100% truth! He is speaking when Nak begun making decks under their name...after a few years the prices goes UP...so the model was NO relevant! Happens with my 1978 acquired 1000/ll..I pay $1,850...thanks that the shipment was included.,,,form USA to Israel. Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:40:06 -0500 > >Hi Tom, > >Hi Tech wrote: >>A funny nakamichi fact. >> In the US, in 1974, the list prices were as follows: >>700 $700 >>500 $500 >>1000 $1000 >> > >This is why stores used to tell the old joke that Nakamichi's model numbers >are actually the price tag to make it easy to remember the price. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Apr 12 22:15:54 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:15:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443D5700.9000005@woods-and-waters.com> References: <443D5700.9000005@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060412161532.0407b578@psulias.psu.edu> What are some of the specs and features of your deck? >Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the state >of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other designers >working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree with this point >but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great analog recorders do >seem like a lost era! Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 12 22:53:40 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:53:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts In-Reply-To: <443CE30C.70500@cox.net> References: <21046.212.78.164.66.1144840004.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <21046.212.78.164.66.1144840004.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060412155340.0081bbb0@earthlink.net> Reel motors. The cam motor CA80007 can be repaired or substituted, but the reel motor is tricky. What I do is open a typical capstan motor, remove the servo board, and transfer it into the Nakamichi shell. These were Mabuchi motors, so on the inside they are the same. The reel motors were 12v. I don't like doing this, but there is little choice. The other part is the bushing for the 680 series eject. I have a method of fixing that too, but I'll bet many have not figured out how to repair it and keep it stock. I saw one rigged with fishing line with a little ball attached, like a pull chain. 550 grommets are the one piece that I haven't found a cure for. tom brucker At 07:22 AM 4/12/06 -0400, you wrote: >The two prime maintenance parts in my book are the rubber tire and >capstan belt for the classic Nak mechanism (480/580/680/ZX), followed by >the cam belt and then the pinch rollers, for the same models. > >Is there a good source for the capstan belt? > >Tim > >Wouter Heijke wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >>As the idler problem seems to be less of a problem what are the most >>wanted/needed parts that remain? >> >>I would say cosmetic parts, or certain ZXL parts? What do you think? >> >>Wouter >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 12 22:53:41 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:53:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <13719.212.78.164.66.1144832877.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060412155341.0081bbb0@earthlink.net> The same tire and wheel was used on different brackets, I believe. I just bought 2 boxes of Nak parts from a fellow down the road who has quit the audio business, and it is a treasure trove! tom brucker At 11:07 AM 4/12/06 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Tom, >Where do they differ these idlers and the one used in lets say an LX-3/5? >Are they interchangable? > >Wouter > >> The Dragon uses CA8193 idler like the 480, 480, 680. This idler rarely >> wears out. it is a pain to change. >> >> tom brucker > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 12 22:53:40 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:53:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: References: <443D11A7.8080809@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060412155340.0081bbb0@earthlink.net> The conversion is a step backwards, in my opinion. It replaces the reel motor, idler, and both reel tables. The prices I hear you guys quoting are crazy! I am trying to find my old parts price book to scan and post. tom brucker At 11:22 AM 4/12/06 -0400, you wrote: >Hi everyone: First time posting....so please bear with me. > >The option to convert Sankyo transports to gear drive seems to help >mechanical reliability even though not improving the sonics of the deck. >This is from what I have read, perhaps Tom can comment on this. I think >Nakamichi went to the gear drive on the CR7's to address this problem. > >Is it expensive to covert a BX-300 to gear drive? > >boogie > > >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:41:43 -0400 >> >> >>You're right, idlers on the classic Nak transport >>last a very long time -- just like on turntables. >>The Sankyo transport idler requires frequent >>replacement because it's too small -- a design >>mistake. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >>Alex Cozac wrote: >>>Shalom Ron! >>> >>>First of all an Happy Passover festivities...thank you for your promptly >>>reply, yet...seems me that it's NO needed to be replace...if or when will >>>be worn, be 100% sure that I will ask you how to do it. >>> >>>Leheitraot, >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: Ron >>>>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >>>>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:51:30 -0400 >>>> >>>> >>>>Alex, >>>> >>>>Sorry, I can't help you. The last time I serviced a >>>>classic Nakamichi transport was a long time ago. I >>>>can still do it, but cannot really describe it for >>>>you from memory. I used to order parts from Nak in >>>>Torrance, CA. I doubt they still carry any of these >>>>parts. >>>> >>>>As to the location of the idler -- this is difficult >>>>to explain in words. Take a look at the Dragon service >>>>manual, page 18, Figure 5.7, which is an exploded view >>>>of assembly C02. Locate item 8. This is the idler >>>>assembly. If you do not have the service manual, I'll >>>>be happy to email this section to you, if your email >>>>provider allows 7MB files. >>>> >>>>Best regards, >>>> >>>>-- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>>Alex Cozac wrote: >>>>>Shalom Ron! >>>>> >>>>>Sorry for my "Silly/stupid" question...where is such "Idler Tire"...per >>>>>example in my lovely Dragon? >>>>> >>>>>Second...how I can detect that is bad worn...& what is the job of such >>>>>item? My received Dragon still "Factory Untouched"...BTW,,,only I need >>>>>to change the cam belt...with the help of an a superbly good friend, >>>>>also a member of our Nak forum, which sent me a replacement...my >>>>>Dragon...true...was "Boxed' for 20 years...completely "UN-used" (Only >>>>>record & play one TDK SA-90 cassette), which was inside the box when I >>>>>open the box...never make me any trouble at all...so how I can detect >>>>>something NOT good with such "Idler"...Ron? >>>>> >>>>>Thank you & peace! >>>>> >>>>>ALEX! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: Ron >>>>>>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> >>>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job >>>>>>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:34:53 -0400 >>>>>> >>>>>>Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>>>>>Hi, >>>>>>> I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may >>>>>>>appear workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. >>>>>> >>>>>>What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. >>>>>> >>>>>>>In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few >>>>>>>other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the longer >>>>>>>run. While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the >>>>>>>thousands, individuals may be in a very different situation. >>>>>> >>>>>>But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. >>>>>>IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. >>>>>> >>>>>>>As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no >>>>>> > need for sleazy marketing. >>>>>> >>>>>>In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I >>>>>>I actually applaud his willingness to help others >>>>>>with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay >>>>>>offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected >>>>>>to the way Dean's tires were described by another >>>>>>poster, not by him. >>>>>> >>>>>>>As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. The effort, >>>>>>>dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal duties, to >>>>>>>procur these parts, and send them needs a token of appreciation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This is >>>>>>>a welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for problems, >>>>>>>that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. >>>>>> >>>>>>And who might those be? >>>>>> >>>>>>-- Ron >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bala >>>>>>>79Labs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>*/Ron /* wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Mann wrote: >>>>>>> > Guys >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >>>>>>> > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >>>>>>> > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >>>>>>> > very very high. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges >>>>>>> about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they >>>>>>> sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the >>>>>>> tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) >>>>>>> was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak >>>>>>> originals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open >>>>>>> market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks >>>>>>> we are talking about there). He's probably a likable >>>>>>> fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves >>>>>>> and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing >>>>>>> demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another >>>>>>> thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" >>>>>>> and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >>>>>>> > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >>>>>>> > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >>>>>>> > confident that his skill and a superior product would >>>>>>> > help me do a good job. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Glad to say it turned out that way. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Chris >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rob at rhoag.com Wed Apr 12 23:22:04 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:22:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443D5700.9000005@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: I was aware of your cassette project, didn't know anyone else was working on any, that is interesting and I'm really looking forward to seeing your non Dolby deck someday, but just like the tube amps I mentioned, it is a very small percentage of the mass market, that was my point. I don't see the mass market getting involved in the production of tube gear or cassette decks, or vinyl disks, or pre recorded cassettes and reel to reel tapes ever again, do you? That doesn't mean there isn't a niche market demand for it, that's been proven by the very over priced, small tube gear market, but I doubt you're ever going to see mass produced tube amps in your local department store. I was just saying that making a tube amplifier today, even if you stray from the standard, proven amplifier circuits, is much easier then trying to make a high quality cassette deck. Both can make use of proven audio circuits of high quality. And for tubes, the best quality tubes available with large transformers, huge capacitors, etc., but the cassette deck is much harder because of the difficulty of getting, or making high quality heads, transport mechanisms, etc. Your non Dolby deck may be a break thru in cassette design, and I'm sure there will be a niche demand for it, but it isn't going to cause people to turn back to cassette decks, and are you going to have to pay royalties for a built in Dolby circuit so that it will be compatible with peoples older recorded cassettes, or are you not going to offer that compatibility for playback? And you know that there actually were a LOT of reasons the vintage gear went out of production.. Tube gear was inefficient, low power, bulky, heavy, costly to make and operate with a lot of wasted heat, tubes had to be replaced, the very nature of tubes limited most physical cabinet design, it was non portable and heavy when it was portable, subject of vibration, low battery life, etc., etc. Reel to reel decks were large, heavy, with difficult to load tapes (I remember they even came out with some self loading tape decks), the tapes were expensive, large, expensive to offer pre recorded tapes, and most were lower quality then real time recordings, though not as bad as the mass produced high speed cassettes duplicated. They were subject to erasure by heads more then cassette decks, pretty much non portable in any quality deck, etc. Eight tracks tried to solve the reel to reel problems. Then cassettes, when they finally got Dolby and better design, did a really good job, especially in decks by companies like Nakamichi. But the very portable, inexpensive, CD has taken over that mass market with less expensive, high quality pre recorded disks, and now, with the advent of memory in small packages, I expect we will see prerecorded media on small memory sticks or similar items, smaller then a coin that can hold a whole concert, and more, at highest quality. Will these sound as good, or please the vintage audio crowd? Probably not, because I think they basically are convinced that older is better, no matter what, and there is really no way of arguing that when you get into subjective sound evaluations, and why argue it anyway? I know most people love this older gear, I do to, it's nostalgic, still has some era of hand made quality, even though they were also mass produced, but they are much easier to understand then most of the modern stuff that is all solid state. Sort of like the new cars.. I can't even figure out how to remove the dash on my Toyota with its hidden snaps, etc., and I don't dare try to do any engine work. I am not familiar with what is going on in the "totally new tube gear design" area you mentioned. Tubes take very basic audio circuits.. a filtered voltage filament heating circuit, the audio cathode and control circuits for emitting the electrons, a plate with a high voltage to draw them, various audio filters and some sort of isolating circuit, usually a large bulky transformer/amplifier. If I'm remembering my basic electronics correctly, I'm pretty foggy on this now, so excuse me if I'm off in my description, but that's basically it, right? I'm sure there are a lot of improvements to their efficiency and variations on their design, along with the quality of the components used, but they are still at the mercy of the physical tube design limitations them selves, which haven't really changed much in 60 years, have they? Again, I think there would be a real demand for your new cassette deck, within this niche market, so nothing I've said should be taken as a negative comment, just my observations about new and old and mass market selling. Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:38 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > What I'm saying is that I don't think we are ever going to see the quality > of Nakamichi decks mass produced again. You may find specialty, small > companies making esoteric cassette decks, but I'm not even sure about that > because they are much more complicated to make... Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree with this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great analog recorders do seem like a lost era! >...then making tube amps and > other such vintage, resurrected audio equipment that are basically just > proven audio circuits with industry proven tube types that are still > available. Which is spot on! Anyone can find some old piece of equipment and make new ones. This is a no-risk approach to business. someone else has done the hard work already. "Based on a vintage design" therefore means "we're making someone else's proven product." The main reason they exist, I think, is that many listeners deem that most new audio is unsatisfactory. People want the great sound of the past, so it is a logical thing to supply that market demand (notice: market demand!) by putting back into production a great audio product of the past. You see this most often in studio products. Yet many of the re-issuers miss an important issue. The vintage gear went out of production for various reason, often good reasons, like . This state of affairs is frustrating to the few of us who design totally new tube gear designs that aren't just a re-issue of some decades-old model. We get lumped in with the "vintage re-issuers" and people assume our designs are similarly imitative or derivative. Let me hasten to add I have no problem with the vintage re-issue crowd. They serve a need. They fill a growing demand for a quality of sound that would otherwise not be available, except to those few who can restore old gear to new condition. Hey, despite being an original designer, I wish I could manufacture new "vintage re-issue" Nakamichi 550, 600, 700-II, 1000ZXL, and 68?ZX cassette recorders! Guess I'll have to be content making an all-new esoteric cassette deck. Sniff. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 12 23:31:14 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:31:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060412161532.0407b578@psulias.psu.edu> References: <443D5700.9000005@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060412161532.0407b578@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <443D71A2.50909@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > What are some of the specs and features of your deck? Well, the deck is still in the early stages of development, so this is tentative. The deck's overriding design philosophy is the "less processing is better sound" doctrine. The main technical aspect of the deck is that I'm developing record and reproduce electronics that will give very low noise equal or better than Dolby B without the use of noise reduction. It is remotely possible that the deck will have Dolby, but I am not planning on it. Frequency response will be not less than 20 - 20,000 cps with Chrome or metal oxide tapes, 30 - 17,000 cps with ferric cassettes. The deck's full-balanced push-pull electronics are derived from my 77D program amplifiers and should give the deck a degree of low distortion not previously realized in any cassette deck, even a Nakamichi. (The 77D program amplifier has a THD of less than 0.01%, and can achieve as little as 0.003% THD under ideal circumstances.) The most important feature that the deck is being designed so that it will be extremely reliable, and that it can be serviced easily and calibrated or aligned without the need for special jigs, gauges, and hard to find parts, even when the deck is more than twenty years old. An example of this is that its analog level meters will be able to be used for aligning the head azimuth, record and reproduce electronics, and tape speed. The deck will have its own fully-sweepable test oscillator, THD meter, tachometer display. It also will have a correlator to assist the recordist in achieving flawless spatial imaging, as well as dedicated oscilloscope outputs for more convenient measurements. The reliability issue is being carried to an extreme: the deck will be so well documented that should the record and reproduce electronics become unrepairable and parts unobtainable the deck will have instructions on designing new record and reproduce electronics from scratch using whatever electronics technology exists in the future. The deck will not have much automation because of the concerns for reliability, but will give the operator many built-in tools to assist with every operation. I'm open to suggestions for features, but so far I'm contemplating: * Ferric, chrome and metal tape; with selectable EQ. * Pitch control. * Three tape speeds. * Autostop (of course). * Tachometer display to assist setting precise tape speed. * Transport cue and review. * Jog wheel tape shuttle (tentative). * Library wind mode. * Ability to handle any level of signal from mic level to +4 dB professional line level. Both RCA and XLR jacks installed. * Studio monitor quality headphones amp. * Operator-adjustable EQ, reproduce azimuth and reproduce level to enhance the quality of tapes recorded on other decks. * Studio quality peak limiter and gain leveler. * Real time tape counter. * Service-in-place modular design. * Expandable to four-track self-sync recording onto standard cassettes. * Three head with self-sync/guide track capability as an option. * Wireless remote control of transport functions (tentative). * SMPTE sync option (tentative). This project actually started as a design for an all-new 30-ips mastering reel-to-reel featuring newly-developed technology, which in turn was an evolution of my designs for upgrading Ampex MR70, 350 and 354 reel-to-reel mastering decks. In the process of the project I saw that I could make a cassette deck out of the same basic design. The only difference is that a cassette transport will be fitted to the same electronics package and the appropriate chages will be made to the bias and EQ subsystems. >> Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the >> state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other >> designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree >> with this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great >> analog recorders do seem like a lost era! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 12 23:36:13 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:36:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060412155340.0081bbb0@earthlink.net> References: <21046.212.78.164.66.1144840004.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <21046.212.78.164.66.1144840004.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <3.0.3.32.20060412155340.0081bbb0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <443D72CD.7030705@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > 550 grommets are the one piece that I haven't found a cure for. Tell me about the 550 grommet problem. I've not encountered it, but years ago I did some work in the aviation industry that involved grommets used under very adverse conditions. So, I'd be interested in trying to solve the Nak 550 grommet problem. Grommets and I are good friends. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 12 23:44:29 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:44:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443D5700.9000005@woods-and-waters.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060412164429.00821840@earthlink.net> The true expense of a 2006 design would be that it would have limited sales, so the development and tooling costs are high per unit. It would not be difficult to spec a state of the art cassette deck for this century: Dual capstan FG and perhaps PG control, with sensors on the flywheel Needle bearings on motors and capstans Harmonically different diameters for all moving transport parts Digital speed control TU reel servo SU reel servo for back tension Crystalloy heads Fully adjustable record head geometry, with optical sensors and auto oscillator switching Dual gap erase head Play azimuth adjust option, manual tuned, with positive detent. (mono hi pass filter used to detect peak) Individual bias oscillator per channel low THD record oscillator (Dolby HX capable) independent erase oscillator Auto bias and level calibrate, with manual override, memory function for 4 tape formulations Under/over peak bias indicator Discrete single ended record amp circuitry Quality power supplies Superior headroom Mic input, MC phono input Dolby B.C, HX Buffered processor loop, with lossless switching Optional slate tone record circuit Discrete playback circuitry Separate quality power supplies peak reading optical (Sony light beam or Nakamichi neon plasma) meters, with VU weighting motor remote analog output level control Mono button Discrete headphone amplifier Full remote control for deck functions Serial port for computer interface Simplified mechanical controls (look at Tandberg) 3 motor design Noise free actuation Auto switching universal power supply What have I forgotten??? tom brucker At 02:37 PM 4/12/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Doane, > >Doane Hoag wrote: > >> What I'm saying is that I don't think we are ever going to see the quality >> of Nakamichi decks mass produced again. You may find specialty, small >> companies making esoteric cassette decks, but I'm not even sure about that >> because they are much more complicated to make... > >Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the >state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other >designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree with >this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great analog >recorders do seem like a lost era! > > >...then making tube amps and >> other such vintage, resurrected audio equipment that are basically just >> proven audio circuits with industry proven tube types that are still >> available. > >Which is spot on! Anyone can find some old piece of equipment and make >new ones. This is a no-risk approach to business. someone else has done >the hard work already. "Based on a vintage design" therefore means >"we're making someone else's proven product." The main reason they >exist, I think, is that many listeners deem that most new audio is >unsatisfactory. People want the great sound of the past, so it is a >logical thing to supply that market demand (notice: market demand!) by >putting back into production a great audio product of the past. You see >this most often in studio products. Yet many of the re-issuers miss an >important issue. The vintage gear went out of production for various >reason, often good reasons, like . > > >This state of affairs is frustrating to the few of us who design totally >new tube gear designs that aren't just a re-issue of some decades-old >model. We get lumped in with the "vintage re-issuers" and people assume >our designs are similarly imitative or derivative. Let me hasten to add >I have no problem with the vintage re-issue crowd. They serve a need. >They fill a growing demand for a quality of sound that would otherwise >not be available, except to those few who can restore old gear to new >condition. > >Hey, despite being an original designer, I wish I could manufacture new >"vintage re-issue" Nakamichi 550, 600, 700-II, 1000ZXL, and 68?ZX >cassette recorders! Guess I'll have to be content making an all-new >esoteric cassette deck. Sniff. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 12 23:47:06 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:47:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443D755A.2090001@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > ... I don't see the mass > market getting involved in the production of tube gear or cassette decks, or > vinyl disks, or pre recorded cassettes and reel to reel tapes ever again, do > you? Actually (if you think about it) in today's terms, vacuum tube equipment never was mass-produced. Did RCA or anyone else ever manufacture tens of millions of a particular model radio or amplifier annually like Apple is doing with the iPod? No! Even though sales of good stereo cassette decks (whether Nakamichi or not) and the better quality turntables was widepsread in the 1970s, the sales figures were smaller as a percentage than today's sales figures for cellphones, portable stereos of all kinds, and other home entertainment products like DVD players and CD players. Even before electronics existed the sales of excellent sounding (for the day) Edison Amberol Cylinder and the later Diamond disc players lagged far behind the sales of that era's "lesser" audio gear: Columbia Graphophones, Victrolas, guitars, ukeleles, and sheet music. (Most people of that bygone day bought sheet music if they wanted to hear a song. The advent of the "talking machine" probably ended the days of the commonplace good amateur musician in almost every household forever). The sales of higher-quality audio equipment has always been a niche market, so I agree with your basic outlook wholeheartedly. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 12 23:51:21 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:51:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443D7659.9060807@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Alex, Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Kermit! > > It's NO funny...it's 100% truth! He is speaking when Nak begun making > decks under their name...after a few years the prices goes UP...so the > model was NO relevant! Happens with my 1978 acquired 1000/ll..I pay > $1,850...thanks that the shipment was included.,,,form USA to Israel. Well, no it wasn't funny in the aspect of being humorous, but funny in a sardonic manner. You could buy an entire good quality stereo for the cost of a Nakamichi 700 or 1000. Ah, but the Nak was worth the price! Those days are gone. $700 won't buy a good new stereo any longer. >> From: "Kermit V. Gray" >> Hi Tom, >> >> Hi Tech wrote: >> >>> A funny nakamichi fact. >>> In the US, in 1974, the list prices were as follows: >>> 700 $700 >>> 500 $500 >>> 1000 $1000 >>> >> >> This is why stores used to tell the old joke that Nakamichi's model >> numbers are actually the price tag to make it easy to remember the price. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Apr 12 23:54:12 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:54:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <443D44A3.90204@rcn.com> References: <443D44A3.90204@rcn.com> Message-ID: <443D7704.40909@yahoo.ca> I think I read somewhere it was about $60-70 of parts, and it seems quite easy to convert (I had to remove / reinstall the one in my BX-2 when I rebuilt the drive motor. Ron a écrit : >> Is it expensive to covert a BX-300 to gear drive? > > Fairly expensive (used to be over $300 and I am not > sure the kit is easily available). If you are > willing to replace the rubber idler -- or have it > replaced -- every so often, it is vastly cheaper. > You can order a supply of these that will last you > a lifetime for about $15 and if you learn to replace > them yourself, the 15 minute job will cost nothing. > > -- Ron From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 13 00:02:51 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:02:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doane said: I don't agree with your last statement.. markets are determined by demand, not by what we are persuaded to buy.. the demand for the cassette deck died as the demand for the CD exploded.. all advertising does is try to convince you to buy their brand. Do you actually think that Sony (for what ever reason) could launch an advertising campaign to buy cassette decks again and that people would give up their CD players, Ipods, etc., and go back? They might get more cassette sales, but they would also loose a lot of money in the process. Not in my experience of Marketing in Financial Services, and I'm guessing it's not much different anywhere else. Companies make a big pretence of being customer-led but they lie about that as much as they lie about almost everything else! (Besides, consumers don't lead new product ideas anyway - they generally don't have the imagination for it. Being a researcher I know that, New product Development research only works if you can show research respondents what the product would like look and demonstrate how it MIGHT benefit them. They then tell you how you have got that concept wrong or right. What they never do is say "You should give us THIS product instead.") It has, for example, long been the practice in Consumer (B2C) Financial Services to re-invent the wheel but call it by another name and make it a special deal to attract new business from competitors, quiet in the knowledge that your own customers who have the old wheel won't have noticed the interest rates they were earning when they opened the product, and which the new wheel is offering, have fallen through the floor. Likewise, I suspect that hi fi (and most other) manufacturers like to create new models and new innovations not necessarily because the new products are better than the old ones but to persuade us to junk the old in favour of the new - in other words, to spend money and give it to them. Linn are masters at this game, using the "upgrade" trick, forever selling their punters new "upgrades" that are supposed to improve the performance of their LP12 TTs ... I once heard someone from another TT maker, who's longevity models are still regarded highly after many years, "It's a pity Linn couldn't have made them properly in the first place, and it's amazing how they manage to get their customers to pay to put them right!!" he also pointed out that, for the money someone might have paid from buying an original LP12 and to have bought all the upgrades since then, they could have purchased a super TT that would trample the LP12 and leave it for dead. To give you an example, the hi fi industry didn't drop valve (tube) separates for transistor ones because transistors then were inherently "better" than valve ones. In many cases, the predecessors were (arguably) better sonically. However, transistors because a new way to make hi fi sound innovative and special ... and persuade people to junk their "old" valve gear and buy new transistor equipment instead. (The irony is that much of the original valve gear is still in use and well out lived much of the stuff that replaced it.) So, no - I don't think Sony would be likely to revive the cassette. More likely, they'll be looking for the next generation of hardware and software to take over from CD, MD, iPods, etc, to make THEM obsolete and create another new market. Gra' From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 13 00:02:56 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:02:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: Items Wanted Lists In-Reply-To: <20060412181506.JQMN29406.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Message-ID: That's up to Wouter, of course, but I would favour the idea provided it was open to "known" members, not just fly-by-the-night folk who have something they want to sell. The great thing about this community is this: Whilst we may not all agree on everything, and sometimes there are quarrels and people fall out; however, there seems to exist a strong level of TRUST between members because we know we're all here for the long haul, not just for a fast buck. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net Sent: 12 April 2006 19:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: Items Wanted Lists Has it ever been considered to have a For Sale of Items Wanted list on Naks.com? For instance, I am looking for a Dragon or B215 possibly and would like to know that it would come from someone I trust on this group. Comments anyon? Of course, the list would also have to be moderated so this fliers don't come in to sell their junk that they can't sell on ebay. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 13 00:02:54 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:02:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443CECAB.9020201@rcn.com> Message-ID: Good point, Ron. I suppose it is conceivable that, using existing technology, Pioneer might have brought out that product to serve the needs of die-hard cassette users in Japan who would be likely to buy other high end Pioneer products. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 12 April 2006 13:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? That's true, Graham, but to a limited degree. Products are brought to market for a variety of reasons; for Japanese companies, not always immediate profit. We can't tell for sure, but Pioneer could have deemed this niche product of high strategic importance. And, BTW, there is a sizable Japanese market for super high end audio products. See the ridiculously expensive line of Denon electronics, that they do not even bother to sell in the US market. --Ron From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 00:31:19 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job on a BX 1/ BX 300 In-Reply-To: <443D7704.40909@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060412223119.6570.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This kit was 130 $ + shipping from Nak parts about a year ago - not sure how much now. Or I am not sure whether you can get them. Also replacing this kit is a skilled work as you have to disassemble the transport carefully not loosing tiny parts. I have a spare kit for anybody willing to pay about 120$ as I had spent that much on these original parts. It consists of two gear spools plus Motor with gear assembly. It is worthwhile to replace on a CR 7 due to its value in the market - around 500 + $ while Bx 300 or BX 1,2, 100,150 or Rx 202 does not justify the cost due to their market value being somewhere around 200 $ or less. I have to warn that even rubber idler replacement should be carried out carefully as the hanging idler spool part is plastic and can break if not carefully handled, but replacing the idler tire is a 10 minute job and works fine. kannan Antoine Deschênes wrote: I think I read somewhere it was about $60-70 of parts, and it seems quite easy to convert (I had to remove / reinstall the one in my BX-2 when I rebuilt the drive motor. Ron a écrit : >> Is it expensive to covert a BX-300 to gear drive? > > Fairly expensive (used to be over $300 and I am not > sure the kit is easily available). If you are > willing to replace the rubber idler -- or have it > replaced -- every so often, it is vastly cheaper. > You can order a supply of these that will last you > a lifetime for about $15 and if you learn to replace > them yourself, the 15 minute job will cost nothing. > > -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have to warn that even rubber idler replacement should be carried out carefully as the hanging idler spool part is plastic and can break if not carefully handled, but replacing the idler tire is a 10 minute job and works fine. kannan Antoine Deschênes wrote: I think I read somewhere it was about $60-70 of parts, and it seems quite easy to convert (I had to remove / reinstall the one in my BX-2 when I rebuilt the drive motor. Ron a écrit : >> Is it expensive to covert a BX-300 to gear drive? > > Fairly expensive (used to be over $300 and I am not > sure the kit is easily available). If you are > willing to replace the rubber idler -- or have it > replaced -- every so often, it is vastly cheaper. > You can order a supply of these that will last you > a lifetime for about $15 and if you learn to replace > them yourself, the 15 minute job will cost nothing. > > -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 00:32:19 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job on a BX 1/ BX 300 In-Reply-To: <443D7704.40909@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060412223219.95469.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This kit was 130 $ + shipping from Nak parts about a year ago - not sure how much now. Or I am not sure whether you can get them. Also replacing this kit is a skilled work as you have to disassemble the transport carefully not loosing tiny parts. I have a spare kit for anybody willing to pay about 120$ as I had spent that much on these original parts. It consists of two gear spools plus Motor with gear assembly. It is worthwhile to replace on a CR 7 due to its value in the market - around 500 + $ while Bx 300 or BX 1,2, 100,150 or Rx 202 does not justify the cost due to their market value being somewhere around 200 $ or less. I have to warn that even rubber idler replacement should be carried out carefully as the hanging idler spool part is plastic and can break if not carefully handled, but replacing the idler tire is a 10 minute job and works fine. kannan Antoine Deschênes wrote: I think I read somewhere it was about $60-70 of parts, and it seems quite easy to convert (I had to remove / reinstall the one in my BX-2 when I rebuilt the drive motor. Ron a écrit : >> Is it expensive to covert a BX-300 to gear drive? > > Fairly expensive (used to be over $300 and I am not > sure the kit is easily available). If you are > willing to replace the rubber idler -- or have it > replaced -- every so often, it is vastly cheaper. > You can order a supply of these that will last you > a lifetime for about $15 and if you learn to replace > them yourself, the 15 minute job will cost nothing. > > -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 03:31:29 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443D755A.2090001@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060413013129.68217.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit and Doane, Ok, here we are talking to very different kinds of manufacturing economics. One is the old consumer goods manufacture which doesn't seem to be of much use these days. This is due to the prevalence of the second - high volume and low profit margin. Manufacturers cut as much cost as possible - by outsourcing, cost cutting, sub-contract. They then manufacture in large volumes. Of course this means more and more people are able to buy something because the cost is low. But you can imagine the product itself taking a hit in terms of quality. No prejudice here but, if you manufacture a reel deck which is R&D'ed in Japan and build it in neighbouring Far East countries using today's manufacturing techniques and economics..its probably going to come off in pieces within two years. There's no way you can turn up the quality of a A7300 type machine using todays methods. Bala 79Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hey Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > ... I don't see the mass > market getting involved in the production of tube gear or cassette decks, or > vinyl disks, or pre recorded cassettes and reel to reel tapes ever again, do > you? Actually (if you think about it) in today's terms, vacuum tube equipment never was mass-produced. Did RCA or anyone else ever manufacture tens of millions of a particular model radio or amplifier annually like Apple is doing with the iPod? No! Even though sales of good stereo cassette decks (whether Nakamichi or not) and the better quality turntables was widepsread in the 1970s, the sales figures were smaller as a percentage than today's sales figures for cellphones, portable stereos of all kinds, and other home entertainment products like DVD players and CD players. Even before electronics existed the sales of excellent sounding (for the day) Edison Amberol Cylinder and the later Diamond disc players lagged far behind the sales of that era's "lesser" audio gear: Columbia Graphophones, Victrolas, guitars, ukeleles, and sheet music. (Most people of that bygone day bought sheet music if they wanted to hear a song. The advent of the "talking machine" probably ended the days of the commonplace good amateur musician in almost every household forever). The sales of higher-quality audio equipment has always been a niche market, so I agree with your basic outlook wholeheartedly. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 03:54:37 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443D71A2.50909@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060413015437.90474.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mmmm Kermit! Jog wheel is one feature I love, because it feels like rocking the reels by hand! And its great to see you trying to defy the law of obsolence with this machine. One more thing, can we have a nice silver finish rather then dab grey or black? Bala 79Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hey Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > What are some of the specs and features of your deck? Well, the deck is still in the early stages of development, so this is tentative. The deck's overriding design philosophy is the "less processing is better sound" doctrine. The main technical aspect of the deck is that I'm developing record and reproduce electronics that will give very low noise equal or better than Dolby B without the use of noise reduction. It is remotely possible that the deck will have Dolby, but I am not planning on it. Frequency response will be not less than 20 - 20,000 cps with Chrome or metal oxide tapes, 30 - 17,000 cps with ferric cassettes. The deck's full-balanced push-pull electronics are derived from my 77D program amplifiers and should give the deck a degree of low distortion not previously realized in any cassette deck, even a Nakamichi. (The 77D program amplifier has a THD of less than 0.01%, and can achieve as little as 0.003% THD under ideal circumstances.) The most important feature that the deck is being designed so that it will be extremely reliable, and that it can be serviced easily and calibrated or aligned without the need for special jigs, gauges, and hard to find parts, even when the deck is more than twenty years old. An example of this is that its analog level meters will be able to be used for aligning the head azimuth, record and reproduce electronics, and tape speed. The deck will have its own fully-sweepable test oscillator, THD meter, tachometer display. It also will have a correlator to assist the recordist in achieving flawless spatial imaging, as well as dedicated oscilloscope outputs for more convenient measurements. The reliability issue is being carried to an extreme: the deck will be so well documented that should the record and reproduce electronics become unrepairable and parts unobtainable the deck will have instructions on designing new record and reproduce electronics from scratch using whatever electronics technology exists in the future. The deck will not have much automation because of the concerns for reliability, but will give the operator many built-in tools to assist with every operation. I'm open to suggestions for features, but so far I'm contemplating: * Ferric, chrome and metal tape; with selectable EQ. * Pitch control. * Three tape speeds. * Autostop (of course). * Tachometer display to assist setting precise tape speed. * Transport cue and review. * Jog wheel tape shuttle (tentative). * Library wind mode. * Ability to handle any level of signal from mic level to +4 dB professional line level. Both RCA and XLR jacks installed. * Studio monitor quality headphones amp. * Operator-adjustable EQ, reproduce azimuth and reproduce level to enhance the quality of tapes recorded on other decks. * Studio quality peak limiter and gain leveler. * Real time tape counter. * Service-in-place modular design. * Expandable to four-track self-sync recording onto standard cassettes. * Three head with self-sync/guide track capability as an option. * Wireless remote control of transport functions (tentative). * SMPTE sync option (tentative). This project actually started as a design for an all-new 30-ips mastering reel-to-reel featuring newly-developed technology, which in turn was an evolution of my designs for upgrading Ampex MR70, 350 and 354 reel-to-reel mastering decks. In the process of the project I saw that I could make a cassette deck out of the same basic design. The only difference is that a cassette transport will be fitted to the same electronics package and the appropriate chages will be made to the bias and EQ subsystems. >> Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the >> state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other >> designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree >> with this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great >> analog recorders do seem like a lost era! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 04:04:24 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443DAFA7.3040306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060413020424.7055.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, That makes me feel more secure. The A7300 of course isn't 'up there' with an MR70. But the former is more closer to mass-market manufacture then the latter. But today's mass-produce isnt anything like that either! What features does the cassette deck provide to play the millions of cassette tapes already floating around. The Dragon is considered the best playback machine due to its NAAC system. How will your machine fair in such a role? Regards Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kermit and Doane, > > Ok, here we are talking to very different kinds of manufacturing > economics. One is the old consumer goods manufacture which doesn't seem > to be of much use these days. This is due to the prevalence of the > second - high volume and low profit margin. Manufacturers cut as much > cost as possible - by outsourcing, cost cutting, sub-contract. They then > manufacture in large volumes. Of course this means more and more people > are able to buy something because the cost is low. But you can imagine > the product itself taking a hit in terms of quality. No prejudice here > but, if you manufacture a reel deck which is R&D'ed in Japan and build > it in neighbouring Far East countries using today's manufacturing > techniques and economics..its probably going to come off in pieces > within two years. There's no way you can turn up the quality of a A7300 > type machine using todays methods. Which is why my tape decks are to be made by hand, one at a time, tailored to the individual customer, in the manner of the great studio mastering recorders, even though its a cassette. Think Scully 100, 3M 79, Ampex MR70 or Studer A80 quality in a cassette deck. (Looking for a living fossil? Here I am! Jurassic Audio....) A7300? Nothing personal, I'm not set up to do only that level of quality because it doesn't make sense to use my few resources to build a midrange tape recorder instead of a mastering recorder. Consolidated Aircraft had a motto I've adopted as my own: "Good enough isn't good enough." What can I say? I value uncompromised sound quality more than making millions of dollars and millions of products. Frankly, I want to see if I can beat Nakamichi with regard to sound quality. My guess is that marrying a high-quality cassette transport (fitted with excellent heads) to a studio master recorder's sophisticated electronics will allow me to succeed at this quest. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 13 00:39:07 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:39:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443D818B.1030206@yahoo.ca> LP seems to get back, not only for old records that EMI and Classic Audio re-started production of. Even new albums(Punk mostly)! Someone told me that HMVs in UK re-started selling LPs also. Doane Hoag a écrit : > I was aware of your cassette project, didn't know anyone else was working on > any, that is interesting and I'm really looking forward to seeing your non > Dolby deck someday, but just like the tube amps I mentioned, it is a very > small percentage of the mass market, that was my point. I don't see the mass > market getting involved in the production of tube gear or cassette decks, or > vinyl disks, or pre recorded cassettes and reel to reel tapes ever again, do > you? > > That doesn't mean there isn't a niche market demand for it, that's been > proven by the very over priced, small tube gear market, but I doubt you're > ever going to see mass produced tube amps in your local department store. I > was just saying that making a tube amplifier today, even if you stray from > the standard, proven amplifier circuits, is much easier then trying to make > a high quality cassette deck. Both can make use of proven audio circuits of > high quality. And for tubes, the best quality tubes available with large > transformers, huge capacitors, etc., but the cassette deck is much harder > because of the difficulty of getting, or making high quality heads, > transport mechanisms, etc. Your non Dolby deck may be a break thru in > cassette design, and I'm sure there will be a niche demand for it, but it > isn't going to cause people to turn back to cassette decks, and are you > going to have to pay royalties for a built in Dolby circuit so that it will > be compatible with peoples older recorded cassettes, or are you not going to > offer that compatibility for playback? > > And you know that there actually were a LOT of reasons the vintage gear went > out of production.. > Tube gear was inefficient, low power, bulky, heavy, costly to make and > operate with a lot of wasted heat, tubes had to be replaced, the very nature > of tubes limited most physical cabinet design, it was non portable and heavy > when it was portable, subject of vibration, low battery life, etc., etc. > > Reel to reel decks were large, heavy, with difficult to load tapes (I > remember they even came out with some self loading tape decks), the tapes > were expensive, large, expensive to offer pre recorded tapes, and most were > lower quality then real time recordings, though not as bad as the mass > produced high speed cassettes duplicated. They were subject to erasure by > heads more then cassette decks, pretty much non portable in any quality > deck, etc. > > Eight tracks tried to solve the reel to reel problems. Then cassettes, when > they finally got Dolby and better design, did a really good job, especially > in decks by companies like Nakamichi. But the very portable, inexpensive, CD > has taken over that mass market with less expensive, high quality pre > recorded disks, and now, with the advent of memory in small packages, I > expect we will see prerecorded media on small memory sticks or similar > items, smaller then a coin that can hold a whole concert, and more, at > highest quality. Will these sound as good, or please the vintage audio > crowd? Probably not, because I think they basically are convinced that older > is better, no matter what, and there is really no way of arguing that when > you get into subjective sound evaluations, and why argue it anyway? I know > most people love this older gear, I do to, it's nostalgic, still has some > era of hand made quality, even though they were also mass produced, but they > are much easier to understand then most of the modern stuff that is all > solid state. Sort of like the new cars.. I can't even figure out how to > remove the dash on my Toyota with its hidden snaps, etc., and I don't dare > try to do any engine work. > > I am not familiar with what is going on in the "totally new tube gear > design" area you mentioned. Tubes take very basic audio circuits.. a > filtered voltage filament heating circuit, the audio cathode and control > circuits for emitting the electrons, a plate with a high voltage to draw > them, various audio filters and some sort of isolating circuit, usually a > large bulky transformer/amplifier. If I'm remembering my basic electronics > correctly, I'm pretty foggy on this now, so excuse me if I'm off in my > description, but that's basically it, right? I'm sure there are a lot of > improvements to their efficiency and variations on their design, along with > the quality of the components used, but they are still at the mercy of the > physical tube design limitations them selves, which haven't really changed > much in 60 years, have they? > > Again, I think there would be a real demand for your new cassette deck, > within this niche market, so nothing I've said should be taken as a negative > comment, just my observations about new and old and mass market selling. > > Doane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:38 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > > Hi Doane, > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > >> What I'm saying is that I don't think we are ever going to see the quality >> of Nakamichi decks mass produced again. You may find specialty, small >> companies making esoteric cassette decks, but I'm not even sure about that >> because they are much more complicated to make... >> > > Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the > state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other > designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree with > this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great analog > recorders do seem like a lost era! > > >...then making tube amps and > >> other such vintage, resurrected audio equipment that are basically just >> proven audio circuits with industry proven tube types that are still >> available. >> > > Which is spot on! Anyone can find some old piece of equipment and make > new ones. This is a no-risk approach to business. someone else has done > the hard work already. "Based on a vintage design" therefore means > "we're making someone else's proven product." The main reason they > exist, I think, is that many listeners deem that most new audio is > unsatisfactory. People want the great sound of the past, so it is a > logical thing to supply that market demand (notice: market demand!) by > putting back into production a great audio product of the past. You see > this most often in studio products. Yet many of the re-issuers miss an > important issue. The vintage gear went out of production for various > reason, often good reasons, like . > > > This state of affairs is frustrating to the few of us who design totally > new tube gear designs that aren't just a re-issue of some decades-old > model. We get lumped in with the "vintage re-issuers" and people assume > our designs are similarly imitative or derivative. Let me hasten to add > I have no problem with the vintage re-issue crowd. They serve a need. > They fill a growing demand for a quality of sound that would otherwise > not be available, except to those few who can restore old gear to new > condition. > > Hey, despite being an original designer, I wish I could manufacture new > "vintage re-issue" Nakamichi 550, 600, 700-II, 1000ZXL, and 68?ZX > cassette recorders! Guess I'll have to be content making an all-new > esoteric cassette deck. Sniff. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 13 00:44:23 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:44:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443D82C7.1070408@yahoo.ca> They seem to keep at least one model of each "obsolete" technologies. Pioneer still produces a LaserDisc player. Nelson a écrit : > Good point, Ron. I suppose it is conceivable that, using existing > technology, Pioneer might have brought out that product to serve the needs > of die-hard cassette users in Japan who would be likely to buy other high > end Pioneer products. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 12 April 2006 13:04 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > > > That's true, Graham, but to a limited degree. > Products are brought to market for a variety > of reasons; for Japanese companies, not always > immediate profit. We can't tell for sure, but > Pioneer could have deemed this niche product > of high strategic importance. And, BTW, there > is a sizable Japanese market for super high end > audio products. See the ridiculously expensive > line of Denon electronics, that they do not > even bother to sell in the US market. > > --Ron > From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Apr 13 01:24:19 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:24:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: Items Wanted Lists In-Reply-To: References: <20060412181506.JQMN29406.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060412192123.0174f0e0@pop.east.cox.net> Gra', I agree. I don't post all that often but I've been a member of this list for quite a while and read about 90% of all posts through the email. I think I know whom I can trust or at least know that I am getting an honest shake than from someone with 99.6% feedback on ebay. Also, people here have a larger tendency of being knowledgeable of the Nakamichi product. >That's up to Wouter, of course, but I would favour the idea provided it was >open to "known" members, not just fly-by-the-night folk who have something >they want to sell. The great thing about this community is this: Whilst we >may not all agree on everything, and sometimes there are quarrels and people >fall out; however, there seems to exist a strong level of TRUST between >members because we know we're all here for the long haul, not just for a >fast buck. > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net >Sent: 12 April 2006 19:15 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: Items Wanted Lists > > >Has it ever been considered to have a For Sale of Items Wanted list on >Naks.com? > >For instance, I am looking for a Dragon or B215 possibly and would like to >know that it would come from someone I trust on this group. > >Comments anyon? Of course, the list would also have to be moderated so this >fliers don't come in to sell their junk that they can't sell on ebay. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 13 01:31:14 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:31:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts In-Reply-To: <443D72CD.7030705@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: In that case, from here on, Kermit, you will ALSO be known as "Wallace" .... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 12 April 2006 22:36 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: timbarrett at cox.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Most wanted parts Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > 550 grommets are the one piece that I haven't found a cure for. Tell me about the 550 grommet problem. I've not encountered it, but years ago I did some work in the aviation industry that involved grommets used under very adverse conditions. So, I'd be interested in trying to solve the Nak 550 grommet problem. Grommets and I are good friends. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 13 01:31:16 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:31:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060412164429.00821840@earthlink.net> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 12 April 2006 22:44 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? What have I forgotten??? tom brucker Pioneer's FLEX circuit! ;oD Gra' From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 13 01:31:17 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:31:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443D71A2.50909@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: I probably can't afford it but I want one! I'll even sell my body (anyone want me?) to raise the funds !!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 12 April 2006 22:31 To: Derrick Beckner Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Hey Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > What are some of the specs and features of your deck? Well, the deck is still in the early stages of development, so this is tentative. The deck's overriding design philosophy is the "less processing is better sound" doctrine. The main technical aspect of the deck is that I'm developing record and reproduce electronics that will give very low noise equal or better than Dolby B without the use of noise reduction. It is remotely possible that the deck will have Dolby, but I am not planning on it. Frequency response will be not less than 20 - 20,000 cps with Chrome or metal oxide tapes, 30 - 17,000 cps with ferric cassettes. The deck's full-balanced push-pull electronics are derived from my 77D program amplifiers and should give the deck a degree of low distortion not previously realized in any cassette deck, even a Nakamichi. (The 77D program amplifier has a THD of less than 0.01%, and can achieve as little as 0.003% THD under ideal circumstances.) T.... -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs From N4229K at aol.com Thu Apr 13 02:30:07 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:30:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts Message-ID: <27a.81ebb15.316ef58f@aol.com> No, Bala the 202 lens is smaller. If those 505 were 202s I have em. Dean Is it the same window as the 505? Some guy just had two seperate auctions for that window from England. $70+ was the start bid. > > From: N4229K at aol.com > Date: 2006/04/12 Wed PM 01:53:33 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Most wanted parts > > I have written many times for The clear plastic lens (window) for a RX-202 > deck. If I can't find any it is my next project to manufacture. If any on > wants to sell I'll give top dollar. > Dean > > Certain ZXL Parts? > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 13 02:38:37 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:38:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443D71A2.50909@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Sounds neat, Kermit.. may be that your deck will last longer then civilization, at his point! :~) One suggestion would be for you to incorporate an alignment process similar to what Nakamichi came up with for the ZX7.. what I mean is that they have done a beautiful job of simplifying the process into three steps with diode lights that indicate the desired calibration, on the record head alignment switch and on the levels lights when going for a calibration mark for levels and bias. The steps are so easy and quick that a child could do them and you don't need to know anything technical to do it. Really nice ergonomic design... best I have seen in a audio device. Cheers, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:31 PM To: Derrick Beckner Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Hey Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > What are some of the specs and features of your deck? Well, the deck is still in the early stages of development, so this is tentative. The deck's overriding design philosophy is the "less processing is better sound" doctrine. The main technical aspect of the deck is that I'm developing record and reproduce electronics that will give very low noise equal or better than Dolby B without the use of noise reduction. It is remotely possible that the deck will have Dolby, but I am not planning on it. Frequency response will be not less than 20 - 20,000 cps with Chrome or metal oxide tapes, 30 - 17,000 cps with ferric cassettes. The deck's full-balanced push-pull electronics are derived from my 77D program amplifiers and should give the deck a degree of low distortion not previously realized in any cassette deck, even a Nakamichi. (The 77D program amplifier has a THD of less than 0.01%, and can achieve as little as 0.003% THD under ideal circumstances.) The most important feature that the deck is being designed so that it will be extremely reliable, and that it can be serviced easily and calibrated or aligned without the need for special jigs, gauges, and hard to find parts, even when the deck is more than twenty years old. An example of this is that its analog level meters will be able to be used for aligning the head azimuth, record and reproduce electronics, and tape speed. The deck will have its own fully-sweepable test oscillator, THD meter, tachometer display. It also will have a correlator to assist the recordist in achieving flawless spatial imaging, as well as dedicated oscilloscope outputs for more convenient measurements. The reliability issue is being carried to an extreme: the deck will be so well documented that should the record and reproduce electronics become unrepairable and parts unobtainable the deck will have instructions on designing new record and reproduce electronics from scratch using whatever electronics technology exists in the future. The deck will not have much automation because of the concerns for reliability, but will give the operator many built-in tools to assist with every operation. I'm open to suggestions for features, but so far I'm contemplating: * Ferric, chrome and metal tape; with selectable EQ. * Pitch control. * Three tape speeds. * Autostop (of course). * Tachometer display to assist setting precise tape speed. * Transport cue and review. * Jog wheel tape shuttle (tentative). * Library wind mode. * Ability to handle any level of signal from mic level to +4 dB professional line level. Both RCA and XLR jacks installed. * Studio monitor quality headphones amp. * Operator-adjustable EQ, reproduce azimuth and reproduce level to enhance the quality of tapes recorded on other decks. * Studio quality peak limiter and gain leveler. * Real time tape counter. * Service-in-place modular design. * Expandable to four-track self-sync recording onto standard cassettes. * Three head with self-sync/guide track capability as an option. * Wireless remote control of transport functions (tentative). * SMPTE sync option (tentative). This project actually started as a design for an all-new 30-ips mastering reel-to-reel featuring newly-developed technology, which in turn was an evolution of my designs for upgrading Ampex MR70, 350 and 354 reel-to-reel mastering decks. In the process of the project I saw that I could make a cassette deck out of the same basic design. The only difference is that a cassette transport will be fitted to the same electronics package and the appropriate chages will be made to the bias and EQ subsystems. >> Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the >> state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other >> designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree >> with this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great >> analog recorders do seem like a lost era! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 13 03:16:00 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:16:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette print-through In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060410085243.00818b80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Oh well, Tom, I had already sent it in for alignment and check out, along with my other deck, my favorite, a ZX7.. hope to have them back in a few weeks, then will probably sell the LX5 Doane -----Original Message----- From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:53 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette print-through Doane, What he heard he will hear on any cassette he buys, even his original deck. I suspect he has a high resolution system or electrostatic phones (cans). Dolby does modulate noise. It is very slow to decay. Play a solo piano and listen to the background. If you wanna hear bad, listen to MD solo piano. It is a joke! I love the way a critic nails the source of any perceived problem without any scientific discipline. I would sell it again as-is, but say it works great. Describe the prior experience, and your effort to hear what he described. tom brucker At 01:09 PM 4/9/06 -0700, Doane Hoag wrote: >I agree, Ron.. I think that's why most of them give the excuse that they >can't test it out. That supposedily takes them off the hook. :~) > >I recently sold my LX5 that I had changed the orange caps in, it seemed to >be working fine and I advertised it on Ebay as being in excellent condition >with the new changed caps. Well, the guy that bought it emailed me back >after a couple of days of using it and reported that the play back of his >older tapes did not sound that great, and that during the recording, he >could hear some very slight dolby missalignment in the form of noise >pumping, or something. To make it short, he decided not to keep it and I >gave him his money back. When I got it back and spent some serious time >listening to it I could see what he was talking about, so I now have it in >the shop being aligned to Nak standards, which I wasn't able to do at home >because I don't have the equipment to do it. I refuse to sell it on Ebay and >lie about it. I would rather pay the money to have it fixed right and sell >it that way, even if I don't recover the money. I'm no saint, it's just the >right thing to do. > >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Ron >Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 5:44 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through > > > >I've seen it more than once... a seller claims an >item is in good shape, but after paying for it >and getting it in, it turns out the seller has >lied -- it's a dog. > >I can't accept the attitude that this is to be >expected, that it's normal, that Nak decks are >old and therefore, expected to have a problem >regardless of what the seller promised. To me, >this has nothing to do with Naks. It has to do >with sleazy, despicable sellers that will lie and >cheat to make a few bucks; sometimes, very few >bucks. I've had a seller on ebay run away with >my money -- all 17 dollars of it -- and never >ship the product. What kind of a person debases >itself for $17? > >People's complacency only encourages scammers. >They know they can get away with it, because, >hey, the item is old and therefore, the buyer >shouldn't have believed their lies. He has no >one to blame but himself. > >Think again. By tolerating scams, you are >encouraging scammers. > >-- Ron > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >> Bravo Doane! >> >> You are for me 100% correct...for me 99% of the Nak decks sold on >> eBay...are "Defectives"...in any way! For so...I never will acquire any >> Nak from Ebay/Audiogon...etc!. >> >> Be well, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: "Doane Hoag" >>> Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>> To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> , >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >>> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:27:50 -0700 >>> >>> >>> What always gets me is the, "we have no way of testing it, but we >>> plugged it >>> in and the lights come on .." and maybe they will add, "and the reel hubs >>> turn when we push the rewind button.." etc. How hard is it to try every >>> function out and play back a tape and record a tape to see if everything >>> does work? >>> >>> Of course, they will often add, "I don't have the manual or know anything >>> about how to use this so I couldn't test it.." OK, I can see how, if you >>> didn't have the manual, you might not know how to set up the user >>> adjustable >>> bias, levels, azimuth on Naks that have that, but recording and playback >>> doesn't take a rocket scientist degree. >>> >>> The other one that kills me is when some seller makes a statement about a >>> 1980s or earlier Nak like this, "I am the original owner" ...OK, that's >>> possible, doesn't really mean anything though, does it? and then maybe >>> they >>> will add, "I've only used this deck a little bit, it probably only has >>> about >>> 200 hours of use.." Sure, right, so it was just bought as a shelf >>> ornament, >>> and has been sitting there for over 20 years, Right!... >>> >>> I would guess that 95% of the old decks being sold have some major >>> problem >>> that will need to be fixed to get them back up to spec. >>> >>> Doane. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> Behalf Of Ron >>> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:12 AM >>> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >>> >>> >>> Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>> > I'm laughing so hard I can barely type! You mean if I told you my >>> > Wollensak beats a Dragon, you wouldn't believe me! You know, it amazes >>> > me how many eBay sellers will describe some non-Nakamichi cassette >>> deck, >>> > often a midrange model with few features, (or worse, something like an >>> > Akai, low-end Technics, Pioneer or Sankyo) as "I don't have a tape to >>> > test it out but it worked perfectly the last time I used it. This deck >>> > is awesome...it beats the Dragon." >>> >>> You neglected to mention the "I plugged it in >>> and the light came on, so I am sure it's working >>> perfectly" crowd. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> Uh-huh. Sure it does. >>> > >>> > >>> > Doane Hoag wrote: >>> >> Something tells me not to trust you... even with the liquor tonight... >>> >> Doane >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] >>> >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:24 PM >>> >> To: rob at rhoag.com >>> >> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette print-through >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Yo, Doane, >>> >> >>> >> You mean there are models other than the 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, >>> >> 600-II, 700 series, the 1000, 1000-II, 1000ZXL and the 680 series? :~) >>> >> >>> >> Nah, tell you what Doane, I'll help you out and take that away the >>> >> burden you have with that cumbersome ZX-7 and give you my snazzy >>> >> Technics RS-B28R. You'll sit fo rhours watching its cool disco light >>> >> show meters (patterned after 1970s color organs), with its precision >>> >> calibration to 0 dB-huh? (where 0 dB is referred to whatever the >>> >> factory worker felt like at the time). You'll marvel over the >>> >> convenience of its wonderful auto reverse and its amazing auto aziumth >>> >> un-alignment feature. No need to worry about keeping azimuth aligned >>> >> with this deck -- it's impossible. Just think of the fun you'll have >>> >> when you play a tape and it never sounds the same way twice. Variety >>> >> is the spice of life, yes? >>> >> >>> >> In case you get weary of trying to keep channel balance accurate you >>> >> can have one of my awesome non-stereophonic Wollensak (Woolen-snack) >>> >> 2551AV. Hey, you won't even need a stereo for it! You will love its >>> >> built in oval fullrange speaker, just like what the single end triode >>> >> amp guys use. Your cassette have never sounded like this. When Craig >>> >> cassettes dream of growing up they dream of becoming a Wollensak. >>> >> >>> >> I can sense your growing excitement here. >>> >> >>> >> Ah, the bliss of high end analog! :~) > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\doane1.vcf" >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 13 03:21:18 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:21:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060412164429.00821840@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'll take one, where do I sign! :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:44 PM To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? The true expense of a 2006 design would be that it would have limited sales, so the development and tooling costs are high per unit. It would not be difficult to spec a state of the art cassette deck for this century: Dual capstan FG and perhaps PG control, with sensors on the flywheel Needle bearings on motors and capstans Harmonically different diameters for all moving transport parts Digital speed control TU reel servo SU reel servo for back tension Crystalloy heads Fully adjustable record head geometry, with optical sensors and auto oscillator switching Dual gap erase head Play azimuth adjust option, manual tuned, with positive detent. (mono hi pass filter used to detect peak) Individual bias oscillator per channel low THD record oscillator (Dolby HX capable) independent erase oscillator Auto bias and level calibrate, with manual override, memory function for 4 tape formulations Under/over peak bias indicator Discrete single ended record amp circuitry Quality power supplies Superior headroom Mic input, MC phono input Dolby B.C, HX Buffered processor loop, with lossless switching Optional slate tone record circuit Discrete playback circuitry Separate quality power supplies peak reading optical (Sony light beam or Nakamichi neon plasma) meters, with VU weighting motor remote analog output level control Mono button Discrete headphone amplifier Full remote control for deck functions Serial port for computer interface Simplified mechanical controls (look at Tandberg) 3 motor design Noise free actuation Auto switching universal power supply What have I forgotten??? tom brucker At 02:37 PM 4/12/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Doane, > >Doane Hoag wrote: > >> What I'm saying is that I don't think we are ever going to see the quality >> of Nakamichi decks mass produced again. You may find specialty, small >> companies making esoteric cassette decks, but I'm not even sure about that >> because they are much more complicated to make... > >Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the >state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other >designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree with >this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great analog >recorders do seem like a lost era! > > >...then making tube amps and >> other such vintage, resurrected audio equipment that are basically just >> proven audio circuits with industry proven tube types that are still >> available. > >Which is spot on! Anyone can find some old piece of equipment and make >new ones. This is a no-risk approach to business. someone else has done >the hard work already. "Based on a vintage design" therefore means >"we're making someone else's proven product." The main reason they >exist, I think, is that many listeners deem that most new audio is >unsatisfactory. People want the great sound of the past, so it is a >logical thing to supply that market demand (notice: market demand!) by >putting back into production a great audio product of the past. You see >this most often in studio products. Yet many of the re-issuers miss an >important issue. The vintage gear went out of production for various >reason, often good reasons, like . > > >This state of affairs is frustrating to the few of us who design totally >new tube gear designs that aren't just a re-issue of some decades-old >model. We get lumped in with the "vintage re-issuers" and people assume >our designs are similarly imitative or derivative. Let me hasten to add >I have no problem with the vintage re-issue crowd. They serve a need. >They fill a growing demand for a quality of sound that would otherwise >not be available, except to those few who can restore old gear to new >condition. > >Hey, despite being an original designer, I wish I could manufacture new >"vintage re-issue" Nakamichi 550, 600, 700-II, 1000ZXL, and 68?ZX >cassette recorders! Guess I'll have to be content making an all-new >esoteric cassette deck. Sniff. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 13 03:21:19 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:21:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443D818B.1030206@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Interesting, Antoine, I haven't seen anything here in the states.. Doane -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:39 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? LP seems to get back, not only for old records that EMI and Classic Audio re-started production of. Even new albums(Punk mostly)! Someone told me that HMVs in UK re-started selling LPs also. Doane Hoag a écrit : > I was aware of your cassette project, didn't know anyone else was working on > any, that is interesting and I'm really looking forward to seeing your non > Dolby deck someday, but just like the tube amps I mentioned, it is a very > small percentage of the mass market, that was my point. I don't see the mass > market getting involved in the production of tube gear or cassette decks, or > vinyl disks, or pre recorded cassettes and reel to reel tapes ever again, do > you? > > That doesn't mean there isn't a niche market demand for it, that's been > proven by the very over priced, small tube gear market, but I doubt you're > ever going to see mass produced tube amps in your local department store. I > was just saying that making a tube amplifier today, even if you stray from > the standard, proven amplifier circuits, is much easier then trying to make > a high quality cassette deck. Both can make use of proven audio circuits of > high quality. And for tubes, the best quality tubes available with large > transformers, huge capacitors, etc., but the cassette deck is much harder > because of the difficulty of getting, or making high quality heads, > transport mechanisms, etc. Your non Dolby deck may be a break thru in > cassette design, and I'm sure there will be a niche demand for it, but it > isn't going to cause people to turn back to cassette decks, and are you > going to have to pay royalties for a built in Dolby circuit so that it will > be compatible with peoples older recorded cassettes, or are you not going to > offer that compatibility for playback? > > And you know that there actually were a LOT of reasons the vintage gear went > out of production.. > Tube gear was inefficient, low power, bulky, heavy, costly to make and > operate with a lot of wasted heat, tubes had to be replaced, the very nature > of tubes limited most physical cabinet design, it was non portable and heavy > when it was portable, subject of vibration, low battery life, etc., etc. > > Reel to reel decks were large, heavy, with difficult to load tapes (I > remember they even came out with some self loading tape decks), the tapes > were expensive, large, expensive to offer pre recorded tapes, and most were > lower quality then real time recordings, though not as bad as the mass > produced high speed cassettes duplicated. They were subject to erasure by > heads more then cassette decks, pretty much non portable in any quality > deck, etc. > > Eight tracks tried to solve the reel to reel problems. Then cassettes, when > they finally got Dolby and better design, did a really good job, especially > in decks by companies like Nakamichi. But the very portable, inexpensive, CD > has taken over that mass market with less expensive, high quality pre > recorded disks, and now, with the advent of memory in small packages, I > expect we will see prerecorded media on small memory sticks or similar > items, smaller then a coin that can hold a whole concert, and more, at > highest quality. Will these sound as good, or please the vintage audio > crowd? Probably not, because I think they basically are convinced that older > is better, no matter what, and there is really no way of arguing that when > you get into subjective sound evaluations, and why argue it anyway? I know > most people love this older gear, I do to, it's nostalgic, still has some > era of hand made quality, even though they were also mass produced, but they > are much easier to understand then most of the modern stuff that is all > solid state. Sort of like the new cars.. I can't even figure out how to > remove the dash on my Toyota with its hidden snaps, etc., and I don't dare > try to do any engine work. > > I am not familiar with what is going on in the "totally new tube gear > design" area you mentioned. Tubes take very basic audio circuits.. a > filtered voltage filament heating circuit, the audio cathode and control > circuits for emitting the electrons, a plate with a high voltage to draw > them, various audio filters and some sort of isolating circuit, usually a > large bulky transformer/amplifier. If I'm remembering my basic electronics > correctly, I'm pretty foggy on this now, so excuse me if I'm off in my > description, but that's basically it, right? I'm sure there are a lot of > improvements to their efficiency and variations on their design, along with > the quality of the components used, but they are still at the mercy of the > physical tube design limitations them selves, which haven't really changed > much in 60 years, have they? > > Again, I think there would be a real demand for your new cassette deck, > within this niche market, so nothing I've said should be taken as a negative > comment, just my observations about new and old and mass market selling. > > Doane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:38 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > > Hi Doane, > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > >> What I'm saying is that I don't think we are ever going to see the quality >> of Nakamichi decks mass produced again. You may find specialty, small >> companies making esoteric cassette decks, but I'm not even sure about that >> because they are much more complicated to make... >> > > Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the > state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other > designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree with > this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great analog > recorders do seem like a lost era! > > >...then making tube amps and > >> other such vintage, resurrected audio equipment that are basically just >> proven audio circuits with industry proven tube types that are still >> available. >> > > Which is spot on! Anyone can find some old piece of equipment and make > new ones. This is a no-risk approach to business. someone else has done > the hard work already. "Based on a vintage design" therefore means > "we're making someone else's proven product." The main reason they > exist, I think, is that many listeners deem that most new audio is > unsatisfactory. People want the great sound of the past, so it is a > logical thing to supply that market demand (notice: market demand!) by > putting back into production a great audio product of the past. You see > this most often in studio products. Yet many of the re-issuers miss an > important issue. The vintage gear went out of production for various > reason, often good reasons, like . > > > This state of affairs is frustrating to the few of us who design totally > new tube gear designs that aren't just a re-issue of some decades-old > model. We get lumped in with the "vintage re-issuers" and people assume > our designs are similarly imitative or derivative. Let me hasten to add > I have no problem with the vintage re-issue crowd. They serve a need. > They fill a growing demand for a quality of sound that would otherwise > not be available, except to those few who can restore old gear to new > condition. > > Hey, despite being an original designer, I wish I could manufacture new > "vintage re-issue" Nakamichi 550, 600, 700-II, 1000ZXL, and 68?ZX > cassette recorders! Guess I'll have to be content making an all-new > esoteric cassette deck. Sniff. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 13 03:41:17 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:41:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <20060413013129.68217.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060413013129.68217.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443DAC3D.4030800@yahoo.ca> Nobody could buy something else than today's cheap things these days. Everyone's getting poorer every days. EVERYTHING costs more : Taxes, materials, gas, cars, insurances, but when will it be salary's turn to go up? I've been told that in the '70s you could buy a new car every years if you wanted to, but now, you need 5 years to pay it... A $700 system(A lot crappier than before) is still expensive for most people. Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit : > Hi Kermit and Doane, > > Ok, here we are talking to very different kinds of manufacturing > economics. One is the old consumer goods manufacture which doesn't > seem to be of much use these days. This is due to the prevalence of > the second - high volume and low profit margin. Manufacturers cut as > much cost as possible - by outsourcing, cost cutting, sub-contract. > They then manufacture in large volumes. Of course this means more and > more people are able to buy something because the cost is low. But you > can imagine the product itself taking a hit in terms of quality. No > prejudice here but, if you manufacture a reel deck which is R&D'ed in > Japan and build it in neighbouring Far East countries using today's > manufacturing techniques and economics..its probably going to come off > in pieces within two years. There's no way you can turn up the quality > of a A7300 type machine using todays methods. > > Bala > 79Labs > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 13 03:55:51 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:55:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <20060413013129.68217.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060413013129.68217.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443DAFA7.3040306@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kermit and Doane, > > Ok, here we are talking to very different kinds of manufacturing > economics. One is the old consumer goods manufacture which doesn't seem > to be of much use these days. This is due to the prevalence of the > second - high volume and low profit margin. Manufacturers cut as much > cost as possible - by outsourcing, cost cutting, sub-contract. They then > manufacture in large volumes. Of course this means more and more people > are able to buy something because the cost is low. But you can imagine > the product itself taking a hit in terms of quality. No prejudice here > but, if you manufacture a reel deck which is R&D'ed in Japan and build > it in neighbouring Far East countries using today's manufacturing > techniques and economics..its probably going to come off in pieces > within two years. There's no way you can turn up the quality of a A7300 > type machine using todays methods. Which is why my tape decks are to be made by hand, one at a time, tailored to the individual customer, in the manner of the great studio mastering recorders, even though its a cassette. Think Scully 100, 3M 79, Ampex MR70 or Studer A80 quality in a cassette deck. (Looking for a living fossil? Here I am! Jurassic Audio....) A7300? Nothing personal, I'm not set up to do only that level of quality because it doesn't make sense to use my few resources to build a midrange tape recorder instead of a mastering recorder. Consolidated Aircraft had a motto I've adopted as my own: "Good enough isn't good enough." What can I say? I value uncompromised sound quality more than making millions of dollars and millions of products. Frankly, I want to see if I can beat Nakamichi with regard to sound quality. My guess is that marrying a high-quality cassette transport (fitted with excellent heads) to a studio master recorder's sophisticated electronics will allow me to succeed at this quest. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 13 03:59:17 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:59:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443DB075.6090804@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Sounds neat, Kermit.. may be that your deck will last longer then > civilization, at [t]his point! :~) > > One suggestion would be for you to incorporate an alignment process similar > to what Nakamichi came up with for the ZX7.. what I mean is that they have > done a beautiful job of simplifying the process into three steps with diode > lights that indicate the desired calibration, on the record head alignment > switch and on the levels lights when going for a calibration mark for levels > and bias. The steps are so easy and quick that a child could do them and you > don't need to know anything technical to do it. Really nice ergonomic > design... best I have seen in a audio device. This is a good idea. I've been trying to figure the most operator-friendly approach. I'm had planned to use analog meters, so the meter scales would have to indicate the bias and azimuth maxima and minima with LED indicators as pass/fail style idicators. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 13 04:09:36 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:09:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <20060413015437.90474.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060413015437.90474.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443DB2E0.2040402@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Mmmm Kermit! Jog wheel is one feature I love, because it feels like > rocking the reels by hand! And its great to see you trying to defy the > law of obsolence with this machine. One more thing, can we have a nice > silver finish rather then dab grey or black? Awwwww... you don't want my traditional tan wrinkle finish? Also, the jog wheel allows the deck to stay healthy with some good aerobic exercises. Unfortunately, it likes to listen to its iPod while jogging. > Bala > 79Labs > */"Kermit V. Gray" /* wrote: > > Hey Derrick, > > Derrick Beckner wrote: > > What are some of the specs and features of your deck? > > Well, the deck is still in the early stages of development, so this is > tentative. The deck's overriding design philosophy is the "less > processing is better sound" doctrine. The main technical aspect of the > deck is that I'm developing record and reproduce electronics that will > give very low noise equal or better than Dolby B without the use of > noise reduction. It is remotely possible that the deck will have Dolby, > but I am not planning on it. Frequency response will be not less > than 20 > - 20,000 cps with Chrome or metal oxide tapes, 30 - 17,000 cps with > ferric cassettes. The deck's full-balanced push-pull electronics are > derived from my 77D program amplifiers and should give the deck a > degree > of low distortion not previously realized in any cassette deck, even a > Nakamichi. (The 77D program amplifier has a THD of less than 0.01%, and > can achieve as little as 0.003% THD under ideal circumstances.) > > The most important feature that the deck is being designed so that it > will be extremely reliable, and that it can be serviced easily and > calibrated or aligned without the need for special jigs, gauges, and > hard to find parts, even when the deck is more than twenty years > old. An > example of this is that its analog level meters will be able to be used > for aligning the head azimuth, record and reproduce electronics, and > tape speed. The deck will have its own fully-sweepable test oscillator, > THD meter, tachometer display. It also will have a correlator to assist > the recordist in achieving flawless spatial imaging, as well as > dedicated oscilloscope outputs for more convenient measurements. > > The reliability issue is being carried to an extreme: the deck will be > so well documented that should the record and reproduce electronics > become unrepairable and parts unobtainable the deck will have > instructions on designing new record and reproduce electronics from > scratch using whatever electronics technology exists in the future. The > deck will not have much automation because of the concerns for > reliability, but will give the operator many built-in tools to assist > with every operation. > > I'm open to suggestions for features, but so far I'm contemplating: > > * Ferric, chrome and metal tape; with selectable EQ. > * Pitch control. > * Three tape speeds. > * Autostop (of course). > * Tachometer display to assist setting precise tape speed. > * Transport cue and review. > * Jog wheel tape shuttle (tentative). > * Library wind mode. > * Ability to handle any level of signal from mic level to +4 dB > professional line level. Both RCA and XLR jacks installed. > * Studio monitor quality headphones amp. > * Operator-adjustable EQ, reproduce azimuth and reproduce level to > enhance the quality of tapes recorded on other decks. > * Studio quality peak limiter and gain leveler. > * Real time tape counter. > * Service-in-place modular design. > * Expandable to four-track self-sync recording onto standard cassettes. > * Three head with self-sync/guide track capability as an option. > * Wireless remote control of transport functions (tentative). > * SMPTE sync option (tentative). > > This project actually started as a design for an all-new 30-ips > mastering reel-to-reel featuring newly-developed technology, which in > turn was an evolution of my designs for upgrading Ampex MR70, 350 and > 354 reel-to-reel mastering decks. In the process of the project I saw > that I could make a cassette deck out of the same basic design. The > only > difference is that a cassette transport will be fitted to the same > electronics package and the appropriate chages will be made to the bias > and EQ subsystems. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 13 04:14:44 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:14:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <20060413020424.7055.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060413020424.7055.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443DB414.3050505@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > What features does the cassette deck provide to play the millions of > cassette tapes already floating around. The Dragon is considered the > best playback machine due to its NAAC system. How will your machine fair > in such a role? This issue has me in Head Scratch Mode. My best idea so far is to have operator adjustable azimumth and characteristic eq. Dolby is a big Head scratch. I truly do not want to have Dolby. The traditional Dolby implementation requires the Dolby circuit to be in the signal path to some extent, even when bypassed. Frankly, the best Dolby circuit is audibly inferior to my electronics. Maybe an outboard Dolby processor that can be hard bypassed. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From flifton at mac.com Thu Apr 13 04:23:07 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:23:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Trust In-Reply-To: <200604130155.k3D1teIs009273@zxe.naks.com> References: <200604130155.k3D1teIs009273@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <27746ADB-4E47-4981-ADA2-9C876C602312@mac.com> What? No fast buck? Why've I been hanging around here all this time? Oh right, the stellar advice, intimate history, fascinating stories, and strange characters from across the globe. cheers, Fred On Apr 12, 2006, at 6:55 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > however, there seems to exist a strong level of TRUST between > members because we know we're all here for the long haul, not just > for a > fast buck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 13 06:53:10 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 04:53:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443D7659.9060807@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hi Kermit! Today's $:700.00...you obtain super low quality! You are 100% right!!! Pity that Nak..., has gone! Be well, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:51:21 -0500 > >Hi Alex, > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Hi Kermit! >> >>It's NO funny...it's 100% truth! He is speaking when Nak begun making >>decks under their name...after a few years the prices goes UP...so the >>model was NO relevant! Happens with my 1978 acquired 1000/ll..I pay >>$1,850...thanks that the shipment was included.,,,form USA to Israel. > >Well, no it wasn't funny in the aspect of being humorous, but funny in a >sardonic manner. You could buy an entire good quality stereo for the cost >of a Nakamichi 700 or 1000. Ah, but the Nak was worth the price! Those days >are gone. $700 won't buy a good new stereo any longer. > > >>>From: "Kermit V. Gray" >>>Hi Tom, >>> >>>Hi Tech wrote: >>> >>>>A funny nakamichi fact. >>>> In the US, in 1974, the list prices were as follows: >>>>700 $700 >>>>500 $500 >>>>1000 $1000 >>>> >>> >>>This is why stores used to tell the old joke that Nakamichi's model >>>numbers are actually the price tag to make it easy to remember the price. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 13 07:03:23 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:03:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: Items Wanted Lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bravo...Bravo...Bravo...Bravo...Gra'...you think 100% exactly as me...I love it!!!!!! Cheers. ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Sale: Items Wanted Lists >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:02:56 +0100 > >That's up to Wouter, of course, but I would favour the idea provided it was >open to "known" members, not just fly-by-the-night folk who have something >they want to sell. The great thing about this community is this: Whilst >we >may not all agree on everything, and sometimes there are quarrels and >people >fall out; however, there seems to exist a strong level of TRUST between >members because we know we're all here for the long haul, not just for a >fast buck. > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net >Sent: 12 April 2006 19:15 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: Items Wanted Lists > > >Has it ever been considered to have a For Sale of Items Wanted list on >Naks.com? > >For instance, I am looking for a Dragon or B215 possibly and would like to >know that it would come from someone I trust on this group. > >Comments anyon? Of course, the list would also have to be moderated so >this >fliers don't come in to sell their junk that they can't sell on ebay. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Thu Apr 13 07:45:20 2006 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:45:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] T-D7 Message-ID: <200604130145_MC3-1-BC9F-42AA@compuserve.com> Hi, I happened to be in Japan last week and had very little time to browse couple of electronics shops. The T-D7 was on the diplay for ~$500. The front looks like a very good quality deck, but when you look inside you get an idea why it costs half of what most top-of-the-line decks used to cost: single capstan and a walkman-like mechanism! It has digital in/out like a DAT or MD deck. It is advertised to have 90dB S/N ratio and digital signal processing @44.1kHz. You can probably implement a better than dolby noise-reduction algorithm using DSP technology, but since the sampling rate is 44.1kHz, you have the same brick-wall band limitation like the CD or MD players. A Nakamichi deck gives >20kHz band without a sharp cut-off. Other than Pioneer T-D7, TEAC had another not-so-bright deck on the market as well. There are still some boom-boxes with cassette and cassette walkmans available. Blank tape situation is equally sad: In the largest "blank media store" I could find I have seen only TDK AE line (10 to 150 min) Sony HF line and Axia (Fuji) with some Type1 and 2 selections. Sorry for the sad news from Nakamichi-land :( _Fuad > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:11:49 +0100 From: "Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? So, if there is "no market" for cassette machines anymore, why did Pioneer launch a brand new model (the T-D7)in December 2004 for the Japanese market of all places? It seems to me that markets exist or not because of what marketers choose to persuade us to buy. I'm pretty sure that if Sony et al wanted to do so they could reverse from MD back into cassette if it suited their purpose. Gra' < From ramvem at hotmail.com Thu Apr 13 09:55:23 2006 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:55:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: Hi Guys My mother has an electronics company in India. The name is Pacific Electronics, in Secunderabad, India. They have been manufacturing oscilloscopes and other analog test & measuring equipment since the late 70s. Its a small company with mainly home grown products. They have a manufacturing base and technicians, and If there's a desire I will make an introduction. Thanks! Best Regards, -Ram > From: rob at rhoag.com> To: naktalk at naks.com; graker at woods-and-waters.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today?> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:21:18 -0700> CC: > > I'll take one, where do I sign! :~)> > Doane> > > -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On> Behalf Of Hi Tech> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:44 PM> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today?> > > The true expense of a 2006 design would be that it would have limited> sales, so the development and tooling costs are high per unit. It would not> be difficult to spec a state of the art cassette deck for this century:> Dual capstan> FG and perhaps PG control, with sensors on the flywheel> Needle bearings on motors and capstans> Harmonically different diameters for all moving transport parts> Digital speed control> TU reel servo> SU reel servo for back tension> > Crystalloy heads> Fully adjustable record head geometry, with optical sensors and auto> oscillator switching> Dual gap erase head> Play azimuth adjust option, manual tuned, with positive detent. (mono hi> pass filter used to detect peak)> > Individual bias oscillator per channel> low THD record oscillator (Dolby HX capable)> independent erase oscillator> Auto bias and level calibrate, with manual override,> memory function for 4 tape formulations> Under/over peak bias indicator> > > Discrete single ended record amp circuitry> Quality power supplies> Superior headroom> Mic input, MC phono input> Dolby B.C, HX> Buffered processor loop, with lossless switching> Optional slate tone record circuit> > Discrete playback circuitry> Separate quality power supplies> peak reading optical (Sony light beam or Nakamichi neon plasma) meters,> with VU weighting> motor remote analog output level control> Mono button> Discrete headphone amplifier> > Full remote control for deck functions> Serial port for computer interface> Simplified mechanical controls (look at Tandberg)> 3 motor design> Noise free actuation> > Auto switching universal power supply> > What have I forgotten???> > tom brucker> > > > > At 02:37 PM 4/12/06 -0500, you wrote:> >Hi Doane,> >> >Doane Hoag wrote:> >> >> What I'm saying is that I don't think we are ever going to see the> quality> >> of Nakamichi decks mass produced again. You may find specialty, small> >> companies making esoteric cassette decks, but I'm not even sure about> that> >> because they are much more complicated to make...> >> >Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the> >state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other> >designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree with> >this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great analog> >recorders do seem like a lost era!> >> > >...then making tube amps and> >> other such vintage, resurrected audio equipment that are basically just> >> proven audio circuits with industry proven tube types that are still> >> available.> >> >Which is spot on! Anyone can find some old piece of equipment and make> >new ones. This is a no-risk approach to business. someone else has done> >the hard work already. "Based on a vintage design" therefore means> >"we're making someone else's proven product." The main reason they> >exist, I think, is that many listeners deem that most new audio is> >unsatisfactory. People want the great sound of the past, so it is a> >logical thing to supply that market demand (notice: market demand!) by> >putting back into production a great audio product of the past. You see> >this most often in studio products. Yet many of the re-issuers miss an> >important issue. The vintage gear went out of production for various> >reason, often good reasons, like .> >> >> >This state of affairs is frustrating to the few of us who design totally> >new tube gear designs that aren't just a re-issue of some decades-old> >model. We get lumped in with the "vintage re-issuers" and people assume> >our designs are similarly imitative or derivative. Let me hasten to add> >I have no problem with the vintage re-issue crowd. They serve a need.> >They fill a growing demand for a quality of sound that would otherwise> >not be available, except to those few who can restore old gear to new> >condition.> >> >Hey, despite being an original designer, I wish I could manufacture new> >"vintage re-issue" Nakamichi 550, 600, 700-II, 1000ZXL, and 68?ZX> >cassette recorders! Guess I'll have to be content making an all-new> >esoteric cassette deck. Sniff.> >> >> >--> >Kermit Gray> >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs> >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and> >pro audio info!> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Tom Brucker CSM> Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd.> Nashville, TN 37211> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ It's the future, it's here, and it's free: Windows Live Mail beta http://www2.imagine-msn.com/minisites/mail/Default.aspx?locale=en-us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What have I forgotten??? tom brucker Pioneer's FLEX circuit! ;oD Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Thu Apr 13 10:17:18 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:17:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060413081719.61791.qmail@web86506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Nelson wrote: I think you are right on the button there Gra, its what makes the world go around! T. "Not in my experience of Marketing in Financial Services, and I'm guessing it's not much different anywhere else. Companies make a big pretence of being customer-led but they lie about that as much as they lie about almost everything else! (Besides, consumers don't lead new product ideas anyway - they generally don't have the imagination for it. Being a researcher I know that, New product Development research only works if you can show research respondents what the product would like look and demonstrate how it MIGHT benefit them. They then tell you how you have got that concept wrong or right. What they never do is say "You should give us THIS product instead.") It has, for example, long been the practice in Consumer (B2C) Financial Services to re-invent the wheel but call it by another name and make it a special deal to attract new business from competitors, quiet in the knowledge that your own customers who have the old wheel won't have noticed the interest rates they were earning when they opened the product, and which the new wheel is offering, have fallen through the floor. Likewise, I suspect that hi fi (and most other) manufacturers like to create new models and new innovations not necessarily because the new products are better than the old ones but to persuade us to junk the old in favour of the new - in other words, to spend money and give it to them. Linn are masters at this game, using the "upgrade" trick, forever selling their punters new "upgrades" that are supposed to improve the performance of their LP12 TTs ... I once heard someone from another TT maker, who's longevity models are still regarded highly after many years, "It's a pity Linn couldn't have made them properly in the first place, and it's amazing how they manage to get their customers to pay to put them right!!" he also pointed out that, for the money someone might have paid from buying an original LP12 and to have bought all the upgrades since then, they could have purchased a super TT that would trample the LP12 and leave it for dead. To give you an example, the hi fi industry didn't drop valve (tube) separates for transistor ones because transistors then were inherently "better" than valve ones. In many cases, the predecessors were (arguably) better sonically. However, transistors because a new way to make hi fi sound innovative and special ... and persuade people to junk their "old" valve gear and buy new transistor equipment instead. (The irony is that much of the original valve gear is still in use and well out lived much of the stuff that replaced it.) So, no - I don't think Sony would be likely to revive the cassette. More likely, they'll be looking for the next generation of hardware and software to take over from CD, MD, iPods, etc, to make THEM obsolete and create another new market." Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 10:22:13 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060413082213.21227.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmm...sigh. Is there anything left to be said Made in USA? Ram Vemuri wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hi Guys My mother has an electronics company in India. The name is Pacific Electronics, in Secunderabad, India. They have been manufacturing oscilloscopes and other analog test & measuring equipment since the late 70s. Its a small company with mainly home grown products. They have a manufacturing base and technicians, and If there's a desire I will make an introduction. Thanks! Best Regards, -Ram --------------------------------- > From: rob at rhoag.com > To: naktalk at naks.com; graker at woods-and-waters.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:21:18 -0700 > CC: > > I'll take one, where do I sign! :~) > > Doane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:44 PM > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > > The true expense of a 2006 design would be that it would have limited > sales, so the development and tooling costs are high per unit. It would not > be difficult to spec a state of the art cassette deck for this century: > Dual capstan > FG and perhaps PG control, with sensors on the flywheel > Needle bearings on motors and capstans > Harmonically different diameters for all moving transport parts > Digital speed control > TU reel servo > SU reel servo for back tension > > Crystalloy heads > Fully adjustable record head geometry, with optical sensors and auto > oscillator switching > Dual gap erase head > Play azimuth adjust option, manual tuned, with positive detent. (mono hi > pass filter used to detect peak) > > Individual bias oscillator per channel > low THD record oscillator (Dolby HX capable) > independent erase oscillator > Auto bias and level calibrate, with manual override, > memory function for 4 tape formulations > Under/over peak bias indicator > > > Discrete single ended record amp circuitry > Quality power supplies > Superior headroom > Mic input, MC phono input > Dolby B.C, HX > Buffered processor loop, with lossless switching > Optional slate tone record circuit > > Discrete playback circuitry > Separate quality power supplies > peak reading optical (Sony light beam or Nakamichi neon plasma) meters, > with VU weighting > motor remote analog output level control > Mono button > Discrete headphone amplifier > > Full remote control for deck functions > Serial port for computer interface > Simplified mechanical controls (look at Tandberg) > 3 motor design > Noise free actuation > > Auto switching universal power supply > > What have I forgotten??? > > tom brucker > > > > > At 02:37 PM 4/12/06 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi Doane, > > > >Doane Hoag wrote: > > > >> What I'm saying is that I don't think we are ever going to see the > quality > >> of Nakamichi decks mass produced again. You may find specialty, small > >> companies making esoteric cassette decks, but I'm not even sure about > that > >> because they are much more complicated to make... > > > >Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the > >state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other > >designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree with > >this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great analog > >recorders do seem like a lost era! > > > > >...then making tube amps and > >> other such vintage, resurrected audio equipment that are basically just > >> proven audio circuits with industry proven tube types that are still > >> available. > > > >Which is spot on! Anyone can find some old piece of equipment and make > >new ones. This is a no-risk approach to business. someone else has done > >the hard work already. "Based on a vintage design" therefore means > >"we're making someone else's proven product." The main reason they > >exist, I think, is that many listeners deem that most new audio is > >unsatisfactory. People want the great sound of the past, so it is a > >logical thing to supply that market demand (notice: market demand!) by > >putting back into production a great audio product of the past. You see > >this most often in studio products. Yet many of the re-issuers miss an > >important issue. The vintage gear went out of production for various > >reason, often good reasons, like . > > > > > >This state of affairs is frustrating to the few of us who design totally > >new tube gear designs that aren't just a re-issue of some decades-old > >model. We get lumped in with the "vintage re-issuers" and people assume > >our designs are similarly imitative or derivative. Let me hasten to add > >I have no problem with the vintage re-issue crowd. They serve a need. > >They fill a growing demand for a quality of sound that would otherwise > >not be available, except to those few who can restore old gear to new > >condition. > > > >Hey, despite being an original designer, I wish I could manufacture new > >"vintage re-issue" Nakamichi 550, 600, 700-II, 1000ZXL, and 68?ZX > >cassette recorders! Guess I'll have to be content making an all-new > >esoteric cassette deck. Sniff. > > > > > >-- > >Kermit Gray > >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > >pro audio info! > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Crush! Zap! Destroy! Junk e-mail trembles before the might of Windows Live(tm) Mail beta. Windows Live(tm) Mail beta ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 10:32:04 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443DB075.6090804@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060413083204.89117.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think the important thing is getting the maximum signal off the tape. In an earlier post, I had talked about reproduction. I mean, there isn't much blank tape left and the recording isn't going to be used as much. But we have many many recorded tapes that need to have information retrieved. Thats the key thing. Can we have a cassette clamp system similiar to the ones Aiwa did? Would really help dampen shell resonance. Bala 79Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Sounds neat, Kermit.. may be that your deck will last longer then > civilization, at [t]his point! :~) > > One suggestion would be for you to incorporate an alignment process similar > to what Nakamichi came up with for the ZX7.. what I mean is that they have > done a beautiful job of simplifying the process into three steps with diode > lights that indicate the desired calibration, on the record head alignment > switch and on the levels lights when going for a calibration mark for levels > and bias. The steps are so easy and quick that a child could do them and you > don't need to know anything technical to do it. Really nice ergonomic > design... best I have seen in a audio device. This is a good idea. I've been trying to figure the most operator-friendly approach. I'm had planned to use analog meters, so the meter scales would have to indicate the bias and azimuth maxima and minima with LED indicators as pass/fail style idicators. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Apr 13 10:40:08 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:40:08 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's Message-ID: <005301c65ed5$df261de0$0201a8c0@lan> Hey Guy's, Slow down!!!... I am just wading through issue 48 and bang..53 and 54 come through.. 1) Tires Not wishing to 'retread' the recent tires issue :o) , but one important point seems to have been missed. Whilst the Sankyo tire IS a bit smaller than the Nakamichi tire, the main problem with it in my experience is the rubber composition. I do not know what the compositional make up of the Nak tire is , and I do not have a spare to destroy and find out, but it seems to be a 'vulcanised' type compound. The Sankyo tire is very much a synthetic rubber and probably a low cost compound as well with a lot of styrene or plasticiser in it.. you only have to look at the staining in the general area of the tire to realise that some compound is volatilising off. Thus the Sankyo tire becomes harder with age and this is accellerated by the general heat in the area, to a point where it no longer grips. If the ageing is not too bad, then a lick with MEK will keep them running for a while longer, but ultimately they go hard and crack. The tire literally crumbled on one of BX150's. I have replaced mine using the ESL tire , (which nobody has mentioned previously IIRC), and also which seems to be a good compound more like the original Nak tire. Jeff indicates 5 years life or so, but only time will tell as they have only been in place about 12 months. As I have a couple of other decks due for replacement in a short while, I'll give Dean's tire a go. (FWIW Sourcing a bundle from MCM wasn't an option at the time). Incidently, my BX300 tire lasted 18 years, and issue 55 has just arrived,....!!! 2) Gear drive... the only deck I believe that is worth converting ( other than an early CR-7.. just to keep in marketable!) would be an RX202 and that would be a moot point with some for sure, simply because of the hassle of installing a new tire. It is just so easy with the other models to make it a waste of money. I was going to install a gear kit in one of my RX202's a few weeks back, but chickened out for the moment and just put in a new tire as that conversion is not a simple job! 3) RX202 door covers??.. Dean, best of luck.. I think Rocking horse XXXX ... would be easier to find. I had toyed with the idea of resin casting a replacement, but managed to get a new door for a fair price. If I come across a cracked or damaged door that was at least otherwise intact, I still may give it a go.. 4) Gra' that was my line !!.. Is Kermit partial to a nice bit of Wensleydale? 5) LP's... HMV has released a nice line of LP's.. and I buy a 'swag' whenever I get across the ditch to Aussy, and hopefully they still do, and will continue to do so. I have no complaints about the pressing quality. Simply Vinyl also do a excellent pressings, just unfortunately most of the music is not to my taste Issue 56 has just come in !@!, hopefully this is not out of date.. Cheers, M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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NakTalk now has insider pricing. That is a good > thing! > The original C80635 idler came mounted on a wheel, and was about $ 1.35 > cost when it was available. Today, ESL may have the originals, but most > everyone uses generic tires. > If you order from MCM, you pay 7.95 in shipping, so that 56 cent tire is > really an eight dollar tire. > I am very new to NakTalk, but I do have news group experience, and > typically when part of the community becomes greedy, or commercial > concerns > begin to dominate, the community spirit begins to suffer. > I, in the last few days, have been very commercial, and I feel out of > place beginning a lecture, so I will stop and leave it to our wiser > members > to guide me down the proper path. > > tom brucker > > > At 01:34 PM 4/11/06 -0400, you wrote: >>Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have to speak out here. While the initial quality may appear >>> workable and alright, it may not be on the longer term. >> >>What longer term? Idler tires last about 2 years. >> >>> In my quest to find better pinch rollers, I have had to reject a few >>> other suppliers whose rubber wasn't up to performance in the longer run. >>> While MCM MAY be sourcing from East Asian factory in the >>> thousands, individuals may be in a very different situation. >> >>But you can buy a Sankyo tire from MCM for pennies. >>IME, they are as durable as the original Nak tires. >> >>> As I know Dean isn't in this for the money, and thus theres no >> > need for sleazy marketing. >> >>In no way did I accuse Dean of sleazy marketing! I >>I actually applaud his willingness to help others >>with this part. I was referring to the 680ZX ebay >>offering, which I do find dishonest, and objected >>to the way Dean's tires were described by another >>poster, not by him. >> >>> As like me, he's searched for a proper, workable solution. >>> The effort, dedication and perseverance to take time from ones normal >>> duties, to procur these parts, and send them needs a token of >>> appreciation. >>> >>> Heres a person who is delivering simple, effective solutions. This is a >>> welcome relieve from those who stir up a web of causes for problems, >>> that needs a myriad of explanation and tools. >> >>And who might those be? >> >>-- Ron >> >>> >>> Bala >>> 79Labs >>> >>> >>> */Ron /* wrote: >>> >>> Chris Mann wrote: >>> > Guys >>> > >>> > I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends >>> > Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. >>> > >>> > Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but >>> > his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is >>> > very very high. >>> >>> I am not sure what 'keen pricing' means. He charges >>> about 10 times the MCM price for the Sankyo tire (they >>> sell it for 56 cents, give or take). The quality of the >>> tires I have bought from them (a couple of dozen or so) >>> was quite satisfactory, they last as long as Nak >>> originals. >>> >>> I have no problem with Dean, I do feel it's an open >>> market in a free country (and after all, it's 5 bucks >>> we are talking about there). He's probably a likable >>> fellow as well, but let's be honest with ourselves >>> and not be given to the same kind of sleazy marketing >>> demonstrated in the 680ZX sales description in another >>> thread here. "Quality of the product is very very high" >>> and "pricing is keen" are lies, pure and simple. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> > I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay >>> > but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* >>> > tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so >>> > confident that his skill and a superior product would >>> > help me do a good job. >>> > >>> > Glad to say it turned out that way. >>> > >>> > Chris >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From N4229K at aol.com Thu Apr 13 13:01:20 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:01:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's Message-ID: <3ab.14904a.316f8980@aol.com> First on the agenda is Chris Mann is back and I want to thank all who wrote him to make this possible especially Ron and Wouter for the welcome back. I have sent Wouter many of my scans of Nak Manuals and brochures to be shared with all and when scanned more will follow for Naks and the new web site for non-Nak. I have a cracked (rather badly) 202 door for my friend from down under in NZ if he can make some. I thought of going to a plastic factory in NYC who makes serving trays, etc., and see what they can do maybe to make a clone. I have a procedure for changing the idler tire on the RX-202 that can be done by going through the front like a BX which takes about 20 minutes. If I ever get some spare time I'll put it together with illustrated pics so Wouter can post to help the 202 owners. OK I have not been on the list to long but I need to know, what these mean: IIRC FWIW HMV ESL (only kidding, Jeff) Well, her in the USA kids are off for Easter break and its going to be 73 degrees in NYC (that's New York City for people like me) and the Yankees are finally doing great. What more could I want? Well, a RX-202 door, maybe. LOL All have a good day or night, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Apr 13 13:26:31 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:26:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] New parts Message-ID: <17833.212.78.164.66.1144927591.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> We have the idler tires! But we need cosmetic parts like the RX-202 door. I would like to complete the list: -RX series plastic doors -680 series 'function' & power knobs -680 series/Nr-200/HighComII rack mount handles -ZX series calibration 'covers' (totally useless but i don't care) -?? More parts could be added here to be manufactured NEW... anyone? Specially the 680 series function knobs seem to break easy for some reason. I could donate one if we find someone who can make these. Then there are faceplates with faded lettering.... Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Apr 13 13:31:45 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:31:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's In-Reply-To: <3ab.14904a.316f8980@aol.com> References: <3ab.14904a.316f8980@aol.com> Message-ID: <21263.212.78.164.66.1144927905.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> > I have sent Wouter many of my scans of Nak Manuals and brochures to be > shared with all and when scanned more will follow for Naks and the new web > site > for non-Nak. I'm sorting those right now, expect an email soon! But the quality of the scans is relly good! > I have a procedure for changing the idler tire on the RX-202 that can be > done by going through the front like a BX which takes about 20 minutes. > If I > ever get some spare time I'll put it together with illustrated pics so > Wouter > can post to help the 202 owners. Please send! We still have Kannans orange cap procedure too, if anyone has another one, please send. > > All have a good day or night, day! Wouter From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Apr 13 13:34:13 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:34:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's Message-ID: <20060413113413.24811.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I was just reading Martin's comments about those small and infuriating little bits of rubber that I now dream about... Some folks count sheep jumping over a gate to fall asleep - I count Nak tires rolling down a hill. No, it's not that bad. Yet. If you want to do a test on a Nak tire, I kept the one I just removed. Looked a bit sorry, the tire felt hard enough and looked discoloured enough to be the original part. I could mail it to you if it would help. I also briefly considered trying to recondition the tire (what's MEK by the way?) but I wasn't sure it would work and I had the new tire ready so I figured I'd just swap it. Insofar as you can do a long-term test on any of these tires, I would be interested to hear what you think of any tires you're fitting in the near future. My BX-300E is taking a hammering so I suspect I may shorten the useful life of the current tire to something under 2 years. Chris From N4229K at aol.com Thu Apr 13 13:42:59 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:42:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] New parts Message-ID: <3ac.156c3c.316f9343@aol.com> Its unbelievable I think I found someone to make the 202 doors! Will keep you all updated on progress. Who ever needs one let me know so I can negotiate mass order. On another note what do you think this ebay # 9712022558 will go for (I know its not a NAK or a cassette but I know most cassette people came from RTRs). I hope not 8 tracks - Oh Boy. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 13 15:09:34 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:09:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443E4D8E.7090603@rcn.com> Doane, Going by my experience in new Products R&D, I tend to agree with Graham. Nelson wrote: > Doane said: > > I don't agree with your last statement.. markets are determined by demand, > not by what we are persuaded to buy.. But demand is generated by what we are persuaded to buy. (Incidentally, in a capitalistic market, so are prices). > the demand for the cassette deck died > as the demand for the CD exploded.. all advertising does is try to convince > you to buy their brand. Do you actually think that Sony (for what ever > reason) could launch an advertising campaign to buy cassette decks again and > that people would give up their CD players, Ipods, etc., and go back? I doubt people will give up their CDs, but the sales of cassette decks can sky rocket if aggressively advertised. > They > might get more cassette sales, but they would also loose a lot of money in > the process. I, too, doubt it will be a money making proposition for Sony, which is why I doubt they'd ever do it. But that's besides the point. If they choose, they *can* bring the languishing cassette medium back to life. -- Ron > > Not in my experience of Marketing in Financial Services, and I'm guessing > it's not much different anywhere else. Companies make a big pretence of > being customer-led but they lie about that as much as they lie about almost > everything else! (Besides, consumers don't lead new product ideas anyway - > they generally don't have the imagination for it. Being a researcher I > know that, New product Development research only works if you can show > research respondents what the product would like look and demonstrate how it > MIGHT benefit them. They then tell you how you have got that concept wrong > or right. What they never do is say "You should give us THIS product > instead.") > > It has, for example, long been the practice in Consumer (B2C) Financial > Services to re-invent the wheel but call it by another name and make it a > special deal to attract new business from competitors, quiet in the > knowledge that your own customers who have the old wheel won't have noticed > the interest rates they were earning when they opened the product, and which > the new wheel is offering, have fallen through the floor. Likewise, I > suspect that hi fi (and most other) manufacturers like to create new models > and new innovations not necessarily because the new products are better than > the old ones but to persuade us to junk the old in favour of the new - in > other words, to spend money and give it to them. Linn are masters at this > game, using the "upgrade" trick, forever selling their punters new > "upgrades" that are supposed to improve the performance of their LP12 TTs > ... I once heard someone from another TT maker, who's longevity models are > still regarded highly after many years, "It's a pity Linn couldn't have made > them properly in the first place, and it's amazing how they manage to get > their customers to pay to put them right!!" he also pointed out that, for > the money someone might have paid from buying an original LP12 and to have > bought all the upgrades since then, they could have purchased a super TT > that would trample the LP12 and leave it for dead. > > To give you an example, the hi fi industry didn't drop valve (tube) > separates for transistor ones because transistors then were inherently > "better" than valve ones. In many cases, the predecessors were (arguably) > better sonically. However, transistors because a new way to make hi fi > sound innovative and special ... and persuade people to junk their "old" > valve gear and buy new transistor equipment instead. (The irony is that > much of the original valve gear is still in use and well out lived much of > the stuff that replaced it.) > > So, no - I don't think Sony would be likely to revive the cassette. More > likely, they'll be looking for the next generation of hardware and software > to take over from CD, MD, iPods, etc, to make THEM obsolete and create > another new market. > > Gra' From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 13 15:22:04 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:22:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443DB414.3050505@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20060413020424.7055.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <443DB414.3050505@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <443E507C.7050400@rcn.com> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Bala, > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> What features does the cassette deck provide to play the millions of >> cassette tapes already floating around. The Dragon is considered the >> best playback machine due to its NAAC system. How will your machine >> fair in such a role? > > This issue has me in Head Scratch Mode. My best idea so far is to have > operator adjustable azimumth and characteristic eq. Dolby is a big Head > scratch. I truly do not want to have Dolby. The traditional Dolby > implementation requires the Dolby circuit to be in the signal path to > some extent, even when bypassed. Frankly, the best Dolby circuit is > audibly inferior to my electronics. Maybe an outboard Dolby processor > that can be hard bypassed. Why not an internal Dolby circuit that can be 'hard passed'? -- Ron > From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Apr 13 15:23:57 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:23:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's References: <3ab.14904a.316f8980@aol.com> Message-ID: <008a01c65efd$88246060$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: > OK I have not been on the list to long but I need to know, what these > mean: > IIRC If I Remember Correctly > FWIW For What It's Worth > HMV No idea. From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 13 15:33:00 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:33:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443D71A2.50909@woods-and-waters.com> References: <443D5700.9000005@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060412161532.0407b578@psulias.psu.edu> <443D71A2.50909@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <443E530C.2040207@rcn.com> It would be great help if you could come up with a target selling price. Without it, the whole thing is a daydream exercise. You may wish to reconsider the Dolby issue. I, for one, will never buy a deck without, at least, Dolby B. All my cassette are encoded, what would I do with a deck that can't play them properly? I suspect I am not the only one. -- Ron Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hey Derrick, > > Derrick Beckner wrote: >> What are some of the specs and features of your deck? > > Well, the deck is still in the early stages of development, so this is > tentative. The deck's overriding design philosophy is the "less > processing is better sound" doctrine. The main technical aspect of the > deck is that I'm developing record and reproduce electronics that will > give very low noise equal or better than Dolby B without the use of > noise reduction. It is remotely possible that the deck will have Dolby, > but I am not planning on it. Frequency response will be not less than 20 > - 20,000 cps with Chrome or metal oxide tapes, 30 - 17,000 cps with > ferric cassettes. The deck's full-balanced push-pull electronics are > derived from my 77D program amplifiers and should give the deck a degree > of low distortion not previously realized in any cassette deck, even a > Nakamichi. (The 77D program amplifier has a THD of less than 0.01%, and > can achieve as little as 0.003% THD under ideal circumstances.) > > The most important feature that the deck is being designed so that it > will be extremely reliable, and that it can be serviced easily and > calibrated or aligned without the need for special jigs, gauges, and > hard to find parts, even when the deck is more than twenty years old. An > example of this is that its analog level meters will be able to be used > for aligning the head azimuth, record and reproduce electronics, and > tape speed. The deck will have its own fully-sweepable test oscillator, > THD meter, tachometer display. It also will have a correlator to assist > the recordist in achieving flawless spatial imaging, as well as > dedicated oscilloscope outputs for more convenient measurements. > > The reliability issue is being carried to an extreme: the deck will be > so well documented that should the record and reproduce electronics > become unrepairable and parts unobtainable the deck will have > instructions on designing new record and reproduce electronics from > scratch using whatever electronics technology exists in the future. The > deck will not have much automation because of the concerns for > reliability, but will give the operator many built-in tools to assist > with every operation. > > I'm open to suggestions for features, but so far I'm contemplating: > > * Ferric, chrome and metal tape; with selectable EQ. > * Pitch control. > * Three tape speeds. > * Autostop (of course). > * Tachometer display to assist setting precise tape speed. > * Transport cue and review. > * Jog wheel tape shuttle (tentative). > * Library wind mode. > * Ability to handle any level of signal from mic level to +4 dB > professional line level. Both RCA and XLR jacks installed. > * Studio monitor quality headphones amp. > * Operator-adjustable EQ, reproduce azimuth and reproduce level to > enhance the quality of tapes recorded on other decks. > * Studio quality peak limiter and gain leveler. > * Real time tape counter. > * Service-in-place modular design. > * Expandable to four-track self-sync recording onto standard cassettes. > * Three head with self-sync/guide track capability as an option. > * Wireless remote control of transport functions (tentative). > * SMPTE sync option (tentative). > > This project actually started as a design for an all-new 30-ips > mastering reel-to-reel featuring newly-developed technology, which in > turn was an evolution of my designs for upgrading Ampex MR70, 350 and > 354 reel-to-reel mastering decks. In the process of the project I saw > that I could make a cassette deck out of the same basic design. The only > difference is that a cassette transport will be fitted to the same > electronics package and the appropriate chages will be made to the bias > and EQ subsystems. > > >>> Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the >>> state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other >>> designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree >>> with this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of >>> great analog recorders do seem like a lost era! > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 13 15:41:52 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:41:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's In-Reply-To: <005301c65ed5$df261de0$0201a8c0@lan> References: <005301c65ed5$df261de0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <443E5520.20105@rcn.com> Martin Short wrote: > Hey Guy's, > > [.........] > Whilst the Sankyo tire IS a bit smaller > than the Nakamichi tire, the main problem with it in my experience is > the rubber composition. I don't know enough about rubber composition to address the point. Yet, I wonder.. if this was the problem, wouldn't have Sankyo (and/or Nakamichi) solved it by going to a better tire material, rather than offering the gear kit (that must have been a source of embarrassment to them? -- Ron From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 13 15:45:05 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:45:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This doesn't surprise me - the UK hi fi mags seem to regularly show some new released TT models. I'm sure it can't be explained by the old TT's breaking down (unless they were those light-weight el-cheapo models ...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 13 April 2006 02:21 To: Antoine Deschênes; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Interesting, Antoine, I haven't seen anything here in the states.. Doane From paulcar at caribsurf.com Thu Apr 13 15:46:53 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:46:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's In-Reply-To: <008a01c65efd$88246060$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> References: <3ab.14904a.316f8980@aol.com> <008a01c65efd$88246060$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: <443E564D.90402@caribsurf.com> HMV - His Masters Voice? UK recording label? Paul Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: > >> OK I have not been on the list to long but I need to know, what these >> mean: >> IIRC > > > If I Remember Correctly > >> FWIW > > > For What It's Worth > >> HMV > > > No idea. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 13 15:49:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:49:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's In-Reply-To: <3ab.14904a.316f8980@aol.com> References: <3ab.14904a.316f8980@aol.com> Message-ID: <443E56D3.10208@rcn.com> N4229K at aol.com wrote: > [.......] > OK I have not been on the list to long but I need to know, what these mean: > IIRC If I Recall Correctly > FWIW For Whatever It's Worth > HMV His Master's Voice (Not sure... What is the context?) And, before anyone asks: BTW - By The Way AFAIK - As Far As I Know LOL - Laughing Out Loud ROFL - Rolling On Floor Laughing ROFLMAO - Rolling On Floor Laughing My Ass Off -- Ron > ESL (only kidding, Jeff) From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 13 15:57:48 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:57:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's In-Reply-To: <20060413113413.24811.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060413113413.24811.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443E58DC.9020104@rcn.com> Chris Mann wrote: > I was just reading Martin's comments about those small > and infuriating little bits of rubber that I now dream > about... > > Some folks count sheep jumping over a gate to fall > asleep - I count Nak tires rolling down a hill. No, > it's not that bad. Yet. > > If you want to do a test on a Nak tire, I kept the one > I just removed. Looked a bit sorry, the tire felt hard > enough and looked discoloured enough to be the > original part. I could mail it to you if it would > help. > > I also briefly considered trying to recondition the > tire (what's MEK by the way?) MEK - Methyl Ethyl Ketone. Very strong solvent. Excellent for cleaning stuff, but avoid breathing fumes... I doubt it will 'recondition' rubber (more likely, it will dry it out), though it will remove the upper layer. I do use it to wipe pinch rollers about once every two years , but avoid leaving the rubber wet for even a second. Costs about 5 bucks a quart at Home Depot. -- Ron > but I wasn't sure it > would work and I had the new tire ready so I figured > I'd just swap it. > > Insofar as you can do a long-term test on any of these > tires, I would be interested to hear what you think of > any tires you're fitting in the near future. My > BX-300E is taking a hammering so I suspect I may > shorten the useful life of the current tire to > something under 2 years. > > Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 13 16:00:03 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:00:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443DB414.3050505@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: I think an important consideration is whether a customer will be able to play thier often times, hundreds of existing Dolby cassettes back on your deck. I don't think anyone is going to want to have to purchase a separate Dolby unit in order to do it either. This sounds like it is going to be expensive to buy and I for one would expect it to play back my Nak Dolby tapes, even if they may not sound as good as your circute can record and play back the same source materal... because... I don't even have, nor can I get all the source material that I originally recorded with Dolby C on my Naks. So it seems like you should include the decode Dolby function in your deck. You won't need the encode part though because, like you said, your system is better then Dolby B, C, or HX, etc., right? So, can you get a discount on a Dolby only decode license? :~) One final point though... if you record with your non Dolby system, you are no longer compatible with other cassette decks, which was a concern you brought up earlier, in another thread here. Is that no longer a concern, or are you assuming that customers will mainly just be using your deck in a isolated home system and not trying to share them or make them portable? Or, are you infact thinking of including the complete Dolby process as an option for customers who do want, or need, to be more portable? I'm sure you've thought about all these things, just would like your thoughts about it. Thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:15 PM To: Bala Ganesh Chandra Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > What features does the cassette deck provide to play the millions of > cassette tapes already floating around. The Dragon is considered the > best playback machine due to its NAAC system. How will your machine fair > in such a role? This issue has me in Head Scratch Mode. My best idea so far is to have operator adjustable azimumth and characteristic eq. Dolby is a big Head scratch. I truly do not want to have Dolby. The traditional Dolby implementation requires the Dolby circuit to be in the signal path to some extent, even when bypassed. Frankly, the best Dolby circuit is audibly inferior to my electronics. Maybe an outboard Dolby processor that can be hard bypassed. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 13 16:12:40 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:12:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts In-Reply-To: <443D72CD.7030705@woods-and-waters.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060412155340.0081bbb0@earthlink.net> <21046.212.78.164.66.1144840004.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <21046.212.78.164.66.1144840004.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <3.0.3.32.20060412155340.0081bbb0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060413091240.0081bda0@earthlink.net> Kermit, Nakamichi used black nylon to trim the 550 case screws, I think there were 16 or 18 on each deck. The grommet was a raised shoulder type similar to the rack mount panel trim washer. 100% of these split at least once. If the split twice, they cannot be used. I can send a sample. I don't know how many would care, but it would be a nice addition to any restoration process. tom At 04:36 PM 4/12/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tom, > >Hi Tech wrote: > >> 550 grommets are the one piece that I haven't found a cure for. > >Tell me about the 550 grommet problem. I've not encountered it, but >years ago I did some work in the aviation industry that involved >grommets used under very adverse conditions. So, I'd be interested in >trying to solve the Nak 550 grommet problem. Grommets and I are good >friends. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 13 16:12:39 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:12:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060413091239.0081ebd0@earthlink.net> Graham, Sony would keep compact cassette vital IF THEY OWNED THE PATENTS. IMO, that is Sony's primary business model: intro formats for which patents are held. DCC was Philips attempt to keep compact cassette vital. Has anyone tried DCC? tom brucker At 11:02 PM 4/12/06 +0100, you wrote: > >Doane said: > >I don't agree with your last statement.. markets are determined by demand, >not by what we are persuaded to buy.. the demand for the cassette deck died >as the demand for the CD exploded.. all advertising does is try to convince >you to buy their brand. Do you actually think that Sony (for what ever >reason) could launch an advertising campaign to buy cassette decks again and >that people would give up their CD players, Ipods, etc., and go back? They >might get more cassette sales, but they would also loose a lot of money in >the process. > > > >Not in my experience of Marketing in Financial Services, and I'm guessing >it's not much different anywhere else. Companies make a big pretence of >being customer-led but they lie about that as much as they lie about almost >everything else! (Besides, consumers don't lead new product ideas anyway - >they generally don't have the imagination for it. Being a researcher I >know that, New product Development research only works if you can show >research respondents what the product would like look and demonstrate how it >MIGHT benefit them. They then tell you how you have got that concept wrong >or right. What they never do is say "You should give us THIS product >instead.") > >It has, for example, long been the practice in Consumer (B2C) Financial >Services to re-invent the wheel but call it by another name and make it a >special deal to attract new business from competitors, quiet in the >knowledge that your own customers who have the old wheel won't have noticed >the interest rates they were earning when they opened the product, and which >the new wheel is offering, have fallen through the floor. Likewise, I >suspect that hi fi (and most other) manufacturers like to create new models >and new innovations not necessarily because the new products are better than >the old ones but to persuade us to junk the old in favour of the new - in >other words, to spend money and give it to them. Linn are masters at this >game, using the "upgrade" trick, forever selling their punters new >"upgrades" that are supposed to improve the performance of their LP12 TTs >... I once heard someone from another TT maker, who's longevity models are >still regarded highly after many years, "It's a pity Linn couldn't have made >them properly in the first place, and it's amazing how they manage to get >their customers to pay to put them right!!" he also pointed out that, for >the money someone might have paid from buying an original LP12 and to have >bought all the upgrades since then, they could have purchased a super TT >that would trample the LP12 and leave it for dead. > >To give you an example, the hi fi industry didn't drop valve (tube) >separates for transistor ones because transistors then were inherently >"better" than valve ones. In many cases, the predecessors were (arguably) >better sonically. However, transistors because a new way to make hi fi >sound innovative and special ... and persuade people to junk their "old" >valve gear and buy new transistor equipment instead. (The irony is that >much of the original valve gear is still in use and well out lived much of >the stuff that replaced it.) > >So, no - I don't think Sony would be likely to revive the cassette. More >likely, they'll be looking for the next generation of hardware and software >to take over from CD, MD, iPods, etc, to make THEM obsolete and create >another new market. > >Gra' > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 13 16:16:55 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:16:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's In-Reply-To: <20060413113413.24811.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060413091655.00824d90@earthlink.net> I have some original C80635 idlers, but I don't think it is worth the effort to test. All the Nak belts stain the surrounding metal an interesting observation. tom brucker At 12:34 PM 4/13/06 +0100, you wrote: >I was just reading Martin's comments about those small >and infuriating little bits of rubber that I now dream >about... > >Some folks count sheep jumping over a gate to fall >asleep - I count Nak tires rolling down a hill. No, >it's not that bad. Yet. > >If you want to do a test on a Nak tire, I kept the one >I just removed. Looked a bit sorry, the tire felt hard >enough and looked discoloured enough to be the >original part. I could mail it to you if it would >help. > >I also briefly considered trying to recondition the >tire (what's MEK by the way?) but I wasn't sure it >would work and I had the new tire ready so I figured >I'd just swap it. > >Insofar as you can do a long-term test on any of these >tires, I would be interested to hear what you think of >any tires you're fitting in the near future. My >BX-300E is taking a hammering so I suspect I may >shorten the useful life of the current tire to >something under 2 years. > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 13 16:21:17 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:21:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060412164429.00821840@earthlink.net> References: <443D5700.9000005@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060413092117.0081d910@earthlink.net> So we add a positive cassette clamp. Good idea. On the meter issues, I would use 2 sets of meters. The alignment functions could use the meters, but could also have separate displays. It would be neat to incorporate a Dolby "off" HX type circuit. Flat record response at the hi end requires this. Back lit control are nice. Price is set by value. How much would you pay...that is how to price it. tom brucker At 04:44 PM 4/12/06 -0500, you wrote: >The true expense of a 2006 design would be that it would have limited >sales, so the development and tooling costs are high per unit. It would not >be difficult to spec a state of the art cassette deck for this century: > Dual capstan > FG and perhaps PG control, with sensors on the flywheel > Needle bearings on motors and capstans > Harmonically different diameters for all moving transport parts > Digital speed control > TU reel servo > SU reel servo for back tension > >Crystalloy heads > Fully adjustable record head geometry, with optical sensors and auto >oscillator switching > Dual gap erase head > Play azimuth adjust option, manual tuned, with positive detent. (mono hi >pass filter used to detect peak) > >Individual bias oscillator per channel > low THD record oscillator (Dolby HX capable) > independent erase oscillator > Auto bias and level calibrate, with manual override, > memory function for 4 tape formulations > Under/over peak bias indicator > > >Discrete single ended record amp circuitry > Quality power supplies > Superior headroom > Mic input, MC phono input > Dolby B.C, HX > Buffered processor loop, with lossless switching > Optional slate tone record circuit > >Discrete playback circuitry > Separate quality power supplies > peak reading optical (Sony light beam or Nakamichi neon plasma) meters, >with VU weighting > motor remote analog output level control > Mono button > Discrete headphone amplifier > >Full remote control for deck functions > Serial port for computer interface > Simplified mechanical controls (look at Tandberg) > 3 motor design > Noise free actuation > >Auto switching universal power supply > >What have I forgotten??? > >tom brucker > > > > > At 02:37 PM 4/12/06 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi Doane, >> >>Doane Hoag wrote: >> >>> What I'm saying is that I don't think we are ever going to see the quality >>> of Nakamichi decks mass produced again. You may find specialty, small >>> companies making esoteric cassette decks, but I'm not even sure about that >>> because they are much more complicated to make... >> >>Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the >>state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other >>designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree with >>this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great analog >>recorders do seem like a lost era! >> >> >...then making tube amps and >>> other such vintage, resurrected audio equipment that are basically just >>> proven audio circuits with industry proven tube types that are still >>> available. >> >>Which is spot on! Anyone can find some old piece of equipment and make >>new ones. This is a no-risk approach to business. someone else has done >>the hard work already. "Based on a vintage design" therefore means >>"we're making someone else's proven product." The main reason they >>exist, I think, is that many listeners deem that most new audio is >>unsatisfactory. People want the great sound of the past, so it is a >>logical thing to supply that market demand (notice: market demand!) by >>putting back into production a great audio product of the past. You see >>this most often in studio products. Yet many of the re-issuers miss an >>important issue. The vintage gear went out of production for various >>reason, often good reasons, like . >> >> >>This state of affairs is frustrating to the few of us who design totally >>new tube gear designs that aren't just a re-issue of some decades-old >>model. We get lumped in with the "vintage re-issuers" and people assume >>our designs are similarly imitative or derivative. Let me hasten to add >>I have no problem with the vintage re-issue crowd. They serve a need. >>They fill a growing demand for a quality of sound that would otherwise >>not be available, except to those few who can restore old gear to new >>condition. >> >>Hey, despite being an original designer, I wish I could manufacture new >>"vintage re-issue" Nakamichi 550, 600, 700-II, 1000ZXL, and 68?ZX >>cassette recorders! Guess I'll have to be content making an all-new >>esoteric cassette deck. Sniff. >> >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>pro audio info! >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 13 16:24:20 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:24:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443D71A2.50909@woods-and-waters.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060412161532.0407b578@psulias.psu.edu> <443D5700.9000005@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060412161532.0407b578@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060413092420.00822760@earthlink.net> Kermit, I thought about the sync issue, but I think power point has done ayay with the need for sync. I can't imagine why anyone would want timecode on a cassette? The crosstalk problem is the real limit in 4 track cassette recording...the pole pieces simply cannot be isolated well enough. tom brucker At 04:31 PM 4/12/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hey Derrick, > >Derrick Beckner wrote: >> What are some of the specs and features of your deck? > >Well, the deck is still in the early stages of development, so this is >tentative. The deck's overriding design philosophy is the "less >processing is better sound" doctrine. The main technical aspect of the >deck is that I'm developing record and reproduce electronics that will >give very low noise equal or better than Dolby B without the use of >noise reduction. It is remotely possible that the deck will have Dolby, >but I am not planning on it. Frequency response will be not less than 20 >- 20,000 cps with Chrome or metal oxide tapes, 30 - 17,000 cps with >ferric cassettes. The deck's full-balanced push-pull electronics are >derived from my 77D program amplifiers and should give the deck a degree >of low distortion not previously realized in any cassette deck, even a >Nakamichi. (The 77D program amplifier has a THD of less than 0.01%, and > can achieve as little as 0.003% THD under ideal circumstances.) > >The most important feature that the deck is being designed so that it >will be extremely reliable, and that it can be serviced easily and >calibrated or aligned without the need for special jigs, gauges, and >hard to find parts, even when the deck is more than twenty years old. An >example of this is that its analog level meters will be able to be used >for aligning the head azimuth, record and reproduce electronics, and >tape speed. The deck will have its own fully-sweepable test oscillator, >THD meter, tachometer display. It also will have a correlator to assist >the recordist in achieving flawless spatial imaging, as well as >dedicated oscilloscope outputs for more convenient measurements. > >The reliability issue is being carried to an extreme: the deck will be >so well documented that should the record and reproduce electronics >become unrepairable and parts unobtainable the deck will have >instructions on designing new record and reproduce electronics from >scratch using whatever electronics technology exists in the future. The >deck will not have much automation because of the concerns for >reliability, but will give the operator many built-in tools to assist >with every operation. > >I'm open to suggestions for features, but so far I'm contemplating: > >* Ferric, chrome and metal tape; with selectable EQ. >* Pitch control. >* Three tape speeds. >* Autostop (of course). >* Tachometer display to assist setting precise tape speed. >* Transport cue and review. >* Jog wheel tape shuttle (tentative). >* Library wind mode. >* Ability to handle any level of signal from mic level to +4 dB >professional line level. Both RCA and XLR jacks installed. >* Studio monitor quality headphones amp. >* Operator-adjustable EQ, reproduce azimuth and reproduce level to >enhance the quality of tapes recorded on other decks. >* Studio quality peak limiter and gain leveler. >* Real time tape counter. >* Service-in-place modular design. >* Expandable to four-track self-sync recording onto standard cassettes. >* Three head with self-sync/guide track capability as an option. >* Wireless remote control of transport functions (tentative). >* SMPTE sync option (tentative). > >This project actually started as a design for an all-new 30-ips >mastering reel-to-reel featuring newly-developed technology, which in >turn was an evolution of my designs for upgrading Ampex MR70, 350 and >354 reel-to-reel mastering decks. In the process of the project I saw >that I could make a cassette deck out of the same basic design. The only >difference is that a cassette transport will be fitted to the same >electronics package and the appropriate chages will be made to the bias >and EQ subsystems. > > >>> Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the >>> state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other >>> designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree >>> with this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great >>> analog recorders do seem like a lost era! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Thu Apr 13 16:12:00 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:12:00 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's In-Reply-To: <005301c65ed5$df261de0$0201a8c0@lan> References: <005301c65ed5$df261de0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <1437893000.20060413171200@kharkov.ua> Martin : Your insight into the idler tire issue is illuminating.. Let me contribute my recent experience with CR-7A idler tire. I bought an earlier unit and it arrived with practically no rewind. I ordered a replacement tire from ESLabs but during the time in transit I tried to figure out why the original tire fails to do the job. It was not actually worn out and the only explanation which seemed plausible to me was that it hardened from time and could not provide enough grip. Yet I miraculously managed to fix the tape transport problem caused by the tire. You won't believe it. Here's what I did. Occasionally I came across a small rubber ring, a flat belt. The inner diameter was just right to put it over the idler tire adding about 0.8 mm to the idler outer diameter. It could somehow rewind and fast forward but failed to drive the takeup reel during playback. I said well, I did not really think it would work. I let it fast forward and rewind (without a cassette) for a while and then took the "second tire" off. After this I did a few more courses of fast forward and rewind using my fingers to gently wedge the idler between the motor pulley and reel tables. Then I reinstalled the black metal plate in place and noticed that my Nak started to REWIND a cassette which it could not do before. And creaking sound at playback has gone too. The only explanation for this which seems probable to me is that the rubber ring which I installed temporarily somehow treated the outer surface of the idler tire and maybe softened it a bit. Probably after this treatment the adhesion at reel tables improved and got sufficient for normal operation. Now having received a new tire from Jeff I think I postpone installing it since the old one works fine. *** WARNING: I would not recommend for anybody to follow this. My only purpose is to stress on Martin's point of the importance of rubber composition quality. Martin: what is MEK? Cheers, Sergei Thursday, April 13, 2006, 11:40:08 AM, you wrote: MS> Hey Guy's, MS> Slow down!!!... I am just wading through issue 48 and bang..53 and 54 come through.. MS> 1) Tires MS> Not wishing to 'retread' the recent tires issue :o) , but one important point seems to have been missed. Whilst the Sankyo tire IS a bit smaller than the Nakamichi tire, the main problem with it MS> in my experience is the rubber composition. I do not know what the compositional make up of the Nak tire is , and I do not have a spare to destroy and find out, but it seems to be a 'vulcanised' MS> type compound. The Sankyo tire is very much a synthetic rubber and probably a low cost compound as well with a lot of styrene or plasticiser in it.. you only have to look at the staining in the MS> general area of the tire to realise that some compound is volatilising off. Thus the Sankyo tire becomes harder with age and this is accellerated by the general heat in the area, to a point MS> where it no longer grips. If the ageing is not too bad, then a lick with MEK will keep them running for a while longer, but ultimately they go hard and crack. The tire literally crumbled on one MS> of BX150's. MS> I have replaced mine using the ESL tire , (which nobody has mentioned previously IIRC), and also which seems to be a good compound more like the original Nak tire. Jeff indicates 5 years life or MS> so, but only time will tell as they have only been in place about 12 months. As I have a couple of other decks due for replacement in a short while, I'll give Dean's tire a go. (FWIW Sourcing a MS> bundle from MCM wasn't an option at the time). MS> Incidently, my BX300 tire lasted 18 years, and issue 55 has just arrived,....!!! From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Apr 13 15:55:47 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:55:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: Kermit!! All these requests and they were not even on the menu!! May I suggest Dolby S. Let's us know as soon as you have an idea of price - or are Dolby Labs still doing their best to discourage it by overcharging. Cheers - Marc >>> Ron 4/13/2006 3:22:04 PM >>> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Bala, > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> What features does the cassette deck provide to play the millions of >> cassette tapes already floating around. The Dragon is considered the >> best playback machine due to its NAAC system. How will your machine >> fair in such a role? > > This issue has me in Head Scratch Mode. My best idea so far is to have > operator adjustable azimumth and characteristic eq. Dolby is a big Head > scratch. I truly do not want to have Dolby. The traditional Dolby > implementation requires the Dolby circuit to be in the signal path to > some extent, even when bypassed. Frankly, the best Dolby circuit is > audibly inferior to my electronics. Maybe an outboard Dolby processor > that can be hard bypassed. Why not an internal Dolby circuit that can be 'hard passed'? -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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In-Reply-To: <443DAFA7.3040306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Wow!... how much do you suppose this is going to sell for? You don't have the overhead that a big company has, but considering a non automated, non assembly line, hand made product of any kind, it's going to be terribly expensive. Oh well, maybe I'll at least have the pleasure of hearing it some day, even if I can't afford to buy one! I wouldn't short change manufacturing quality in foreign countries too much, it's basically, almost everything is being made in China these days, and the quality can be excellent. Other countries, like Korea, Viet Nam, etc., also make most of the products in the world today. Automation doesn't necessarily mean inferior quality, design and parts quality dictates that end. But in your case, Kermit, you sound like an artist of electronics. Like a fine artist, if you were going to have prints done of a beautiful drawing you had done, you would probably take the real art route, do your drawing as a real lithograph or etching, etc., take it to a fine arts print shop and work with them to hand pull the finished limited edition prints.. you wouldn't take a pencil drawing to a fast copy printer and have them make hundreds of cheap photo lithographs and then miss represent them by signing them and numbering them. So I think I concern and desire to hand build each one of your new "fine arts" cassette decks.. like Nakamichi did with their 1000ZXL Limited Edition, you should definitely sign and number each one... I don't think you need to gold plate the faces though. :~) I would hope you have the artistic design skills to also make them beautiful to look at, as well as beautiful to listen to. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:56 PM To: Bala Ganesh Chandra Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kermit and Doane, > > Ok, here we are talking to very different kinds of manufacturing > economics. One is the old consumer goods manufacture which doesn't seem > to be of much use these days. This is due to the prevalence of the > second - high volume and low profit margin. Manufacturers cut as much > cost as possible - by outsourcing, cost cutting, sub-contract. They then > manufacture in large volumes. Of course this means more and more people > are able to buy something because the cost is low. But you can imagine > the product itself taking a hit in terms of quality. No prejudice here > but, if you manufacture a reel deck which is R&D'ed in Japan and build > it in neighbouring Far East countries using today's manufacturing > techniques and economics..its probably going to come off in pieces > within two years. There's no way you can turn up the quality of a A7300 > type machine using todays methods. Which is why my tape decks are to be made by hand, one at a time, tailored to the individual customer, in the manner of the great studio mastering recorders, even though its a cassette. Think Scully 100, 3M 79, Ampex MR70 or Studer A80 quality in a cassette deck. (Looking for a living fossil? Here I am! Jurassic Audio....) A7300? Nothing personal, I'm not set up to do only that level of quality because it doesn't make sense to use my few resources to build a midrange tape recorder instead of a mastering recorder. Consolidated Aircraft had a motto I've adopted as my own: "Good enough isn't good enough." What can I say? I value uncompromised sound quality more than making millions of dollars and millions of products. Frankly, I want to see if I can beat Nakamichi with regard to sound quality. My guess is that marrying a high-quality cassette transport (fitted with excellent heads) to a studio master recorder's sophisticated electronics will allow me to succeed at this quest. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Its a small company with mainly home grown products. They have a >manufacturing base and technicians, and If there's a desire I will make an >introduction. >Thanks! >Best Regards, >-Ram > > > > >---------- > > From: rob at rhoag.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com; graker at woods-and-waters.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:21:18 -0700 > > CC: > > > > I'll take one, where do I sign! :~) > > > > Doane > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Hi Tech > > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:44 PM > > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > > > > > The true expense of a 2006 design would be that it would have limited > > sales, so the development and tooling costs are high per unit. It would not > > be difficult to spec a state of the art cassette deck for this century: > > Dual capstan > > FG and perhaps PG control, with sensors on the flywheel > > Needle bearings on motors and capstans > > Harmonically different diameters for all moving transport parts > > Digital speed control > > TU reel servo > > SU reel servo for back tension > > > > Crystalloy heads > > Fully adjustable record head geometry, with optical sensors and auto > > oscillator switching > > Dual gap erase head > > Play azimuth adjust option, manual tuned, with positive detent. (mono hi > > pass filter used to detect peak) > > > > Individual bias oscillator per channel > > low THD record oscillator (Dolby HX capable) > > independent erase oscillator > > Auto bias and level calibrate, with manual override, > > memory function for 4 tape formulations > > Under/over peak bias indicator > > > > > > Discrete single ended record amp circuitry > > Quality power supplies > > Superior headroom > > Mic input, MC phono input > > Dolby B.C, HX > > Buffered processor loop, with lossless switching > > Optional slate tone record circuit > > > > Discrete playback circuitry > > Separate quality power supplies > > peak reading optical (Sony light beam or Nakamichi neon plasma) meters, > > with VU weighting > > motor remote analog output level control > > Mono button > > Discrete headphone amplifier > > > > Full remote control for deck functions > > Serial port for computer interface > > Simplified mechanical controls (look at Tandberg) > > 3 motor design > > Noise free actuation > > > > Auto switching universal power supply > > > > What have I forgotten??? > > > > tom brucker > > > > > > > > > > At 02:37 PM 4/12/06 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hi Doane, > > > > > >Doane Hoag wrote: > > > > > >> What I'm saying is that I don't think we are ever going to see the > > quality > > >> of Nakamichi decks mass produced again. You may find specialty, small > > >> companies making esoteric cassette decks, but I'm not even sure about > > that > > >> because they are much more complicated to make... > > > > > >Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the > > >state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other > > >designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree with > > >this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great analog > > >recorders do seem like a lost era! > > > > > > >...then making tube amps and > > >> other such vintage, resurrected audio equipment that are basically just > > >> proven audio circuits with industry proven tube types that are still > > >> available. > > > > > >Which is spot on! Anyone can find some old piece of equipment and make > > >new ones. This is a no-risk approach to business. someone else has done > > >the hard work already. "Based on a vintage design" therefore means > > >"we're making someone else's proven product." The main reason they > > >exist, I think, is that many listeners deem that most new audio is > > >unsatisfactory. People want the great sound of the past, so it is a > > >logical thing to supply that market demand (notice: market demand!) by > > >putting back into production a great audio product of the past. You see > > >this most often in studio products. Yet many of the re-issuers miss an > > >important issue. The vintage gear went out of production for various > > >reason, often good reasons, like . > > > > > > > > >This state of affairs is frustrating to the few of us who design totally > > >new tube gear designs that aren't just a re-issue of some decades-old > > >model. We get lumped in with the "vintage re-issuers" and people assume > > >our designs are similarly imitative or derivative. Let me hasten to add > > >I have no problem with the vintage re-issue crowd. They serve a need. > > >They fill a growing demand for a quality of sound that would otherwise > > >not be available, except to those few who can restore old gear to new > > >condition. > > > > > >Hey, despite being an original designer, I wish I could manufacture new > > >"vintage re-issue" Nakamichi 550, 600, 700-II, 1000ZXL, and 68?ZX > > >cassette recorders! Guess I'll have to be content making an all-new > > >esoteric cassette deck. Sniff. > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Kermit Gray > > >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > > >pro audio info! > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >---------- >Crush! 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URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Apr 13 16:24:31 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:24:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's References: <3ab.14904a.316f8980@aol.com> <008a01c65efd$88246060$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: <002b01c65f05$fbcdc6c0$56d017c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Try ' His Masters Voice'! I dont know where these abreviations come from! In this part of the world we dont use these funny things.( lol) Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's > From: > >> OK I have not been on the list to long but I need to know, what these >> mean: >> IIRC > > If I Remember Correctly > >> FWIW > > For What It's Worth > >> HMV > > No idea. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 13 16:25:41 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:25:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: Hi Ron! Don't seems me that you "Can't"...play your encoded Dolby B with a deck that have NO Dolby at all...you only move the "Treble"...to the "Left"..so will be less acute...my problem is that my superbly ARC SP-9/ll don't have any treble/bass possibility...but also...a little bit "Treble Added"...it's OK...what happen with Dolby C...really don't know...as Never I recorded something with Dolby C...mainly I record my newer cassettes Dolby OFF...so listen with my Radio/Tape in my car...provide me the best result to my hears. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:33:00 -0400 > > >It would be great help if you could come up with a >target selling price. Without it, the whole thing >is a daydream exercise. > >You may wish to reconsider the Dolby issue. I, for >one, will never buy a deck without, at least, Dolby B. >All my cassette are encoded, what would I do with a >deck that can't play them properly? I suspect I am not >the only one. > >-- Ron > > >Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>Hey Derrick, >> >>Derrick Beckner wrote: >>>What are some of the specs and features of your deck? >> >>Well, the deck is still in the early stages of development, so this is >>tentative. The deck's overriding design philosophy is the "less processing >>is better sound" doctrine. The main technical aspect of the deck is that >>I'm developing record and reproduce electronics that will give very low >>noise equal or better than Dolby B without the use of noise reduction. It >>is remotely possible that the deck will have Dolby, but I am not planning >>on it. Frequency response will be not less than 20 - 20,000 cps with >>Chrome or metal oxide tapes, 30 - 17,000 cps with ferric cassettes. The >>deck's full-balanced push-pull electronics are derived from my 77D program >>amplifiers and should give the deck a degree of low distortion not >>previously realized in any cassette deck, even a Nakamichi. (The 77D >>program amplifier has a THD of less than 0.01%, and can achieve as little >>as 0.003% THD under ideal circumstances.) >> >>The most important feature that the deck is being designed so that it will >>be extremely reliable, and that it can be serviced easily and calibrated >>or aligned without the need for special jigs, gauges, and hard to find >>parts, even when the deck is more than twenty years old. An example of >>this is that its analog level meters will be able to be used for aligning >>the head azimuth, record and reproduce electronics, and tape speed. The >>deck will have its own fully-sweepable test oscillator, THD meter, >>tachometer display. It also will have a correlator to assist the recordist >>in achieving flawless spatial imaging, as well as dedicated oscilloscope >>outputs for more convenient measurements. >> >>The reliability issue is being carried to an extreme: the deck will be so >>well documented that should the record and reproduce electronics become >>unrepairable and parts unobtainable the deck will have instructions on >>designing new record and reproduce electronics from scratch using whatever >>electronics technology exists in the future. The deck will not have much >>automation because of the concerns for reliability, but will give the >>operator many built-in tools to assist with every operation. >> >>I'm open to suggestions for features, but so far I'm contemplating: >> >>* Ferric, chrome and metal tape; with selectable EQ. >>* Pitch control. >>* Three tape speeds. >>* Autostop (of course). >>* Tachometer display to assist setting precise tape speed. >>* Transport cue and review. >>* Jog wheel tape shuttle (tentative). >>* Library wind mode. >>* Ability to handle any level of signal from mic level to +4 dB >>professional line level. Both RCA and XLR jacks installed. >>* Studio monitor quality headphones amp. >>* Operator-adjustable EQ, reproduce azimuth and reproduce level to enhance >>the quality of tapes recorded on other decks. >>* Studio quality peak limiter and gain leveler. >>* Real time tape counter. >>* Service-in-place modular design. >>* Expandable to four-track self-sync recording onto standard cassettes. >>* Three head with self-sync/guide track capability as an option. >>* Wireless remote control of transport functions (tentative). >>* SMPTE sync option (tentative). >> >>This project actually started as a design for an all-new 30-ips mastering >>reel-to-reel featuring newly-developed technology, which in turn was an >>evolution of my designs for upgrading Ampex MR70, 350 and 354 reel-to-reel >>mastering decks. In the process of the project I saw that I could make a >>cassette deck out of the same basic design. The only difference is that a >>cassette transport will be fitted to the same electronics package and the >>appropriate chages will be made to the bias and EQ subsystems. >> >> >>>>Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the >>>>state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other >>>>designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree with >>>>this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great analog >>>>recorders do seem like a lost era! >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 13 16:30:58 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:30:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's In-Reply-To: <443E564D.90402@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: Correct. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 13 April 2006 14:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's HMV - His Masters Voice? UK recording label? Paul From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 13 16:31:00 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:31:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think Doane and Ron have made a fair point about Dolby being include especially since I would imagine potential buyers for such a robust machine would be audio libraries where they may have large stocks of cassette recordings of music and voice. E.g. I'll be the British Library in London does, for one. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 13 April 2006 15:00 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? I think an important consideration is whether a customer will be able to play thier often times, hundreds of existing Dolby cassettes back on your deck. I don't think anyone is going to want to have to purchase a separate Dolby unit in order to do it either. This sounds like it is going to be expensive to buy and I for one would expect it to play back my Nak Dolby tapes, even if they may not sound as good as your circute can record and play back the same source materal... because... I don't even have, nor can I get all the source material that I originally recorded with Dolby C on my Naks. So it seems like you should include the decode Dolby function in your deck. You won't need the encode part though because, like you said, your system is better then Dolby B, C, or HX, etc., right? So, can you get a discount on a Dolby only decode license? :~) One final point though... if you record with your non Dolby system, you are no longer compatible with other cassette decks, which was a concern you brought up earlier, in another thread here. Is that no longer a concern, or are you assuming that customers will mainly just be using your deck in a isolated home system and not trying to share them or make them portable? Or, are you infact thinking of including the complete Dolby process as an option for customers who do want, or need, to be more portable? I'm sure you've thought about all these things, just would like your thoughts about it. Thanks, Doane From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 13 16:32:48 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:32:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: Hi Doane! As you wrote...another reason why I don'y use any Dolby...is for further "COMPATIBILITY"...with near 100% on cassette decks...if some day my lovely Dragon...will "BE IN HEAVEN"...before me! LOL Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks" , "Bala Ganesh Chandra" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:00:03 -0700 > >I think an important consideration is whether a customer will be able to >play thier often times, hundreds of existing Dolby cassettes back on your >deck. I don't think anyone is going to want to have to purchase a separate >Dolby unit in order to do it either. This sounds like it is going to be >expensive to buy and I for one would expect it to play back my Nak Dolby >tapes, even if they may not sound as good as your circute can record and >play back the same source materal... because... I don't even have, nor can >I >get all the source material that I originally recorded with Dolby C on my >Naks. So it seems like you should include the decode Dolby function in your >deck. You won't need the encode part though because, like you said, your >system is better then Dolby B, C, or HX, etc., right? So, can you get a >discount on a Dolby only decode license? :~) > >One final point though... if you record with your non Dolby system, you are >no longer compatible with other cassette decks, which was a concern you >brought up earlier, in another thread here. Is that no longer a concern, or >are you assuming that customers will mainly just be using your deck in a >isolated home system and not trying to share them or make them portable? >Or, >are you infact thinking of including the complete Dolby process as an >option >for customers who do want, or need, to be more portable? I'm sure you've >thought about all these things, just would like your thoughts about it. > >Thanks, > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray >Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:15 PM >To: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > >Hi Bala, > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > What features does the cassette deck provide to play the millions of > > cassette tapes already floating around. The Dragon is considered the > > best playback machine due to its NAAC system. How will your machine fair > > in such a role? > >This issue has me in Head Scratch Mode. My best idea so far is to have >operator adjustable azimumth and characteristic eq. Dolby is a big Head >scratch. I truly do not want to have Dolby. The traditional Dolby >implementation requires the Dolby circuit to be in the signal path to >some extent, even when bypassed. Frankly, the best Dolby circuit is >audibly inferior to my electronics. Maybe an outboard Dolby processor >that can be hard bypassed. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Apr 13 16:47:02 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:47:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: Hi Tom, Yes I have a Philips DCC-600 deck. It's very good - I use it with Panansonic and JVC media. It's smoother and more extended in the HF when compared with MD, including ATRAC 5.0 and 'R' - although it does have an advantage with 4:1 instead of 5:1 data reduction. But not to a significant extent. I'd possibly still give MD the overall edge due to convenience, editing power and the "cuteness" factor. It's better than the earlier DCC-900 (runs much cooler) and about the same as the DCC-300. The machines (made by Marantz, Philips and Technics) are all well built and I have no doubt that my deck will last well. It's a great conversation piece too!! My Philips CD-R 765 probably makes a technically better copy in that it is a clone, but there's not much to tell between the resultant sound. Comparatively though, a Nak recording will sound better (analogue is king) and I would also opt for a good Dolby S recording on a non-Nak most days over anything digital. (analogue is king, did I mention that?) Cheers all - have a great Easter - and Alex!! Blessings to you and yours over Pesach. Marc >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 4/13/2006 4:12:39 PM >>> Graham, Sony would keep compact cassette vital IF THEY OWNED THE PATENTS. IMO, that is Sony's primary business model: intro formats for which patents are held. DCC was Philips attempt to keep compact cassette vital. Has anyone tried DCC? tom brucker At 11:02 PM 4/12/06 +0100, you wrote: > >Doane said: > >I don't agree with your last statement.. markets are determined by demand, >not by what we are persuaded to buy.. the demand for the cassette deck died >as the demand for the CD exploded.. all advertising does is try to convince >you to buy their brand. Do you actually think that Sony (for what ever >reason) could launch an advertising campaign to buy cassette decks again and >that people would give up their CD players, Ipods, etc., and go back? They >might get more cassette sales, but they would also loose a lot of money in >the process. > > > >Not in my experience of Marketing in Financial Services, and I'm guessing >it's not much different anywhere else. Companies make a big pretence of >being customer-led but they lie about that as much as they lie about almost >everything else! (Besides, consumers don't lead new product ideas anyway - >they generally don't have the imagination for it. Being a researcher I >know that, New product Development research only works if you can show >research respondents what the product would like look and demonstrate how it >MIGHT benefit them. They then tell you how you have got that concept wrong >or right. What they never do is say "You should give us THIS product >instead.") > >It has, for example, long been the practice in Consumer (B2C) Financial >Services to re-invent the wheel but call it by another name and make it a >special deal to attract new business from competitors, quiet in the >knowledge that your own customers who have the old wheel won't have noticed >the interest rates they were earning when they opened the product, and which >the new wheel is offering, have fallen through the floor. Likewise, I >suspect that hi fi (and most other) manufacturers like to create new models >and new innovations not necessarily because the new products are better than >the old ones but to persuade us to junk the old in favour of the new - in >other words, to spend money and give it to them. Linn are masters at this >game, using the "upgrade" trick, forever selling their punters new >"upgrades" that are supposed to improve the performance of their LP12 TTs >... I once heard someone from another TT maker, who's longevity models are >still regarded highly after many years, "It's a pity Linn couldn't have made >them properly in the first place, and it's amazing how they manage to get >their customers to pay to put them right!!" he also pointed out that, for >the money someone might have paid from buying an original LP12 and to have >bought all the upgrades since then, they could have purchased a super TT >that would trample the LP12 and leave it for dead. > >To give you an example, the hi fi industry didn't drop valve (tube) >separates for transistor ones because transistors then were inherently >"better" than valve ones. In many cases, the predecessors were (arguably) >better sonically. However, transistors because a new way to make hi fi >sound innovative and special ... and persuade people to junk their "old" >valve gear and buy new transistor equipment instead. (The irony is that >much of the original valve gear is still in use and well out lived much of >the stuff that replaced it.) > >So, no - I don't think Sony would be likely to revive the cassette. More >likely, they'll be looking for the next generation of hardware and software >to take over from CD, MD, iPods, etc, to make THEM obsolete and create >another new market. > >Gra' > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Apr 13 17:01:38 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:01:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060413110118.01b0d3d0@psulias.psu.edu> I agree, if you do end up using Dolby, Dobly S would be ideal. At 09:55 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote: >Kermit!! All these requests and they were not even on the menu!! May I >suggest Dolby S. Let's us know as soon as you have an idea of price - or >are Dolby Labs still doing their best to discourage it by overcharging. > >Cheers - Marc >== Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Apr 13 17:03:00 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:03:00 -0400 Subject: [SPAM *10.980] RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: <443DAFA7.3040306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060413110227.01cd5150@psulias.psu.edu> If you can get close to the price point of the 3 head Tascam decks, you might be able to sell more than you think. At 10:23 AM 4/13/2006, Doane Hoag wrote: >Wow!... how much do you suppose this is going to sell for? You don't have >the overhead that a big company has, but considering a non automated, non >assembly line, hand made product of any kind, it's going to be terribly >expensive. Oh well, maybe I'll at least have the pleasure of hearing it some >day, even if I can't afford to buy one! > >I wouldn't short change manufacturing quality in foreign countries too much, >it's basically, almost everything is being made in China these days, and the >quality can be excellent. Other countries, like Korea, Viet Nam, etc., also >make most of the products in the world today. Automation doesn't necessarily >mean inferior quality, design and parts quality dictates that end. > >But in your case, Kermit, you sound like an artist of electronics. Like a >fine artist, if you were going to have prints done of a beautiful drawing >you had done, you would probably take the real art route, do your drawing as >a real lithograph or etching, etc., take it to a fine arts print shop and >work with them to hand pull the finished limited edition prints.. you >wouldn't take a pencil drawing to a fast copy printer and have them make >hundreds of cheap photo lithographs and then miss represent them by signing >them and numbering them. So I think I concern and desire to hand build each >one of your new "fine arts" cassette decks.. like Nakamichi did with their >1000ZXL Limited Edition, you should definitely sign and number each one... I >don't think you need to gold plate the faces though. :~) I would hope you >have the artistic design skills to also make them beautiful to look at, as >well as beautiful to listen to. > >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray >Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:56 PM >To: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > >Hi Bala, > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Kermit and Doane, > > > > Ok, here we are talking to very different kinds of manufacturing > > economics. One is the old consumer goods manufacture which doesn't seem > > to be of much use these days. This is due to the prevalence of the > > second - high volume and low profit margin. Manufacturers cut as much > > cost as possible - by outsourcing, cost cutting, sub-contract. They then > > manufacture in large volumes. Of course this means more and more people > > are able to buy something because the cost is low. But you can imagine > > the product itself taking a hit in terms of quality. No prejudice here > > but, if you manufacture a reel deck which is R&D'ed in Japan and build > > it in neighbouring Far East countries using today's manufacturing > > techniques and economics..its probably going to come off in pieces > > within two years. There's no way you can turn up the quality of a A7300 > > type machine using todays methods. > >Which is why my tape decks are to be made by hand, one at a time, >tailored to the individual customer, in the manner of the great studio >mastering recorders, even though its a cassette. Think Scully 100, 3M >79, Ampex MR70 or Studer A80 quality in a cassette deck. (Looking for a >living fossil? Here I am! Jurassic Audio....) > >A7300? Nothing personal, I'm not set up to do only that level of quality >because it doesn't make sense to use my few resources to build a >midrange tape recorder instead of a mastering recorder. Consolidated >Aircraft had a motto I've adopted as my own: "Good enough isn't good >enough." What can I say? I value uncompromised sound quality more than >making millions of dollars and millions of products. > >Frankly, I want to see if I can beat Nakamichi with regard to sound >quality. My guess is that marrying a high-quality cassette transport >(fitted with excellent heads) to a studio master recorder's >sophisticated electronics will allow me to succeed at this quest. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Thu Apr 13 17:13:11 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:13:11 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's In-Reply-To: <443E5520.20105@rcn.com> References: <005301c65ed5$df261de0$0201a8c0@lan> <443E5520.20105@rcn.com> Message-ID: <8211564468.20060413181311@kharkov.ua> Hello Ron, It could be that at the time when the tire problem revealed Nakamichi needed quick and radical solution. They did not have time for experiments with rubber composition. Besides for 20 or so years the chemistry was not sitting on its hands. It is likely that better compositions available today did not exist then. Sergei Thursday, April 13, 2006, 4:41:52 PM, you wrote: R> Martin Short wrote: >> Hey Guy's, >> >> [.........] >> Whilst the Sankyo tire IS a bit smaller >> than the Nakamichi tire, the main problem with it in my experience is >> the rubber composition. R> I don't know enough about rubber composition to R> address the point. Yet, I wonder.. if this was R> the problem, wouldn't have Sankyo (and/or R> Nakamichi) solved it by going to a better tire R> material, rather than offering the gear kit (that R> must have been a source of embarrassment to them? R> -- Ron From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 13 17:20:38 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:20:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060413110118.01b0d3d0@psulias.psu.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060413110118.01b0d3d0@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <443E6C46.6090801@yahoo.ca> All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? Licenses! (Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big companies. I don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses to Kermit's KVG Labs. Derrick Beckner a écrit : > I agree, if you do end up using Dolby, Dobly S would be ideal. > > At 09:55 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote: >> Kermit!! All these requests and they were not even on the menu!! >> May I suggest Dolby S. Let's us know as soon as you have an idea of >> price - or are Dolby Labs still doing their best to discourage it by >> overcharging. >> >> Cheers - Marc >> == > From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Apr 13 17:21:17 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:21:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tires, 202's and LP's Message-ID: <20060413152117.81487.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> On the subject of Nak tire swaps Sergei wrote: [I tried to figure out why the original tire fails to do the job. It was not actually worn out and the only explanation which seemed plausible to me was that it hardened from time and could not provide enough grip.] When I was preparing to remove the tire from my BX-300E, I saw very fine ridges on the "driving" edge of the tire which correspond to the ridges on the edge of the reel tables. As the new tire had no such ridges, it seemed clear that the old tire had been subject to minor deformations from which the rubber could not recover. So, I agree with you that ageing (and heat) hardens the tire to the point that grip is lost. If I'd had the Intraclean solution that I bought later for pinch roller cleaning, I just *might* have done an experiment and tried to get some elasticity back into the tire edge. I kept the old tire and - you know what - I might still try it. Chris From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 13 17:32:40 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:32:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] T-D7 In-Reply-To: <200604130145_MC3-1-BC9F-42AA@compuserve.com> Message-ID: I was afraid that was the case and probably no market at all for that type of stuff in the USA. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Compudude Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:45 PM To: INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] T-D7 Hi, I happened to be in Japan last week and had very little time to browse couple of electronics shops. The T-D7 was on the diplay for ~$500. The front looks like a very good quality deck, but when you look inside you get an idea why it costs half of what most top-of-the-line decks used to cost: single capstan and a walkman-like mechanism! It has digital in/out like a DAT or MD deck. It is advertised to have 90dB S/N ratio and digital signal processing @44.1kHz. You can probably implement a better than dolby noise-reduction algorithm using DSP technology, but since the sampling rate is 44.1kHz, you have the same brick-wall band limitation like the CD or MD players. A Nakamichi deck gives >20kHz band without a sharp cut-off. Other than Pioneer T-D7, TEAC had another not-so-bright deck on the market as well. There are still some boom-boxes with cassette and cassette walkmans available. Blank tape situation is equally sad: In the largest "blank media store" I could find I have seen only TDK AE line (10 to 150 min) Sony HF line and Axia (Fuji) with some Type1 and 2 selections. Sorry for the sad news from Nakamichi-land :( _Fuad > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:11:49 +0100 From: "Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? So, if there is "no market" for cassette machines anymore, why did Pioneer launch a brand new model (the T-D7)in December 2004 for the Japanese market of all places? It seems to me that markets exist or not because of what marketers choose to persuade us to buy. I'm pretty sure that if Sony et al wanted to do so they could reverse from MD back into cassette if it suited their purpose. Gra' < ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 13 17:40:28 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:40:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060413102220.01b10a50@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: Hi Bala! A lot of those "High End"...tube/valves power & control units...Thiel speakers per example, also newer McIntosh...& more that I can't remember still..., Made in USA! ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:23:22 -0400 > >Klipsch Speakers. The Heritage and RF models anyway. >The cheaper models they sell at Best Buy I think are made in Japan. > >At 04:22 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote: >>Hmm...sigh. >> >>Is there anything left to be said Made in USA? >> >> >> >>Ram Vemuri wrote: >>Hi Guys >>My mother has an electronics company in India. The name is Pacific >>Electronics, in Secunderabad, India. They have been manufacturing >>oscilloscopes and other analog test & measuring equipment since the late >>70s. Its a small company with mainly home grown products. They have a >>manufacturing base and technicians, and If there's a desire I will make an >>introduction. >>Thanks! >>Best Regards, >>-Ram >> >> >> >> >>---------- >> > From: rob at rhoag.com >> > To: naktalk at naks.com; graker at woods-and-waters.com >> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >> > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:21:18 -0700 >> > CC: >> > >> > I'll take one, where do I sign! :~) >> > >> > Doane >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > Behalf Of Hi Tech >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:44 PM >> > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >> > >> > >> > The true expense of a 2006 design would be that it would have limited >> > sales, so the development and tooling costs are high per unit. It would >>not >> > be difficult to spec a state of the art cassette deck for this century: >> > Dual capstan >> > FG and perhaps PG control, with sensors on the flywheel >> > Needle bearings on motors and capstans >> > Harmonically different diameters for all moving transport parts >> > Digital speed control >> > TU reel servo >> > SU reel servo for back tension >> > >> > Crystalloy heads >> > Fully adjustable record head geometry, with optical sensors and auto >> > oscillator switching >> > Dual gap erase head >> > Play azimuth adjust option, manual tuned, with positive detent. (mono >>hi >> > pass filter used to detect peak) >> > >> > Individual bias oscillator per channel >> > low THD record oscillator (Dolby HX capable) >> > independent erase oscillator >> > Auto bias and level calibrate, with manual override, >> > memory function for 4 tape formulations >> > Under/over peak bias indicator >> > >> > >> > Discrete single ended record amp circuitry >> > Quality power supplies >> > Superior headroom >> > Mic input, MC phono input >> > Dolby B.C, HX >> > Buffered processor loop, with lossless switching >> > Optional slate tone record circuit >> > >> > Discrete playback circuitry >> > Separate quality power supplies >> > peak reading optical (Sony light beam or Nakamichi neon plasma) meters, >> > with VU weighting >> > motor remote analog output level control >> > Mono button >> > Discrete headphone amplifier >> > >> > Full remote control for deck functions >> > Serial port for computer interface >> > Simplified mechanical controls (look at Tandberg) >> > 3 motor design >> > Noise free actuation >> > >> > Auto switching universal power supply >> > >> > What have I forgotten??? >> > >> > tom brucker >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > At 02:37 PM 4/12/06 -0500, you wrote: >> > >Hi Doane, >> > > >> > >Doane Hoag wrote: >> > > >> > >> What I'm saying is that I don't think we are ever going to see the >> > quality >> > >> of Nakamichi decks mass produced again. You may find specialty, >>small >> > >> companies making esoteric cassette decks, but I'm not even sure >>about >> > that >> > >> because they are much more complicated to make... >> > > >> > >Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the >> > >state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other >> > >designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree >>with >> > >this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great >>analog >> > >recorders do seem like a lost era! >> > > >> > > >...then making tube amps and >> > >> other such vintage, resurrected audio equipment that are basically >>just >> > >> proven audio circuits with industry proven tube types that are still >> > >> available. >> > > >> > >Which is spot on! Anyone can find some old piece of equipment and make >> > >new ones. This is a no-risk approach to business. someone else has >>done >> > >the hard work already. "Based on a vintage design" therefore means >> > >"we're making someone else's proven product." The main reason they >> > >exist, I think, is that many listeners deem that most new audio is >> > >unsatisfactory. People want the great sound of the past, so it is a >> > >logical thing to supply that market demand (notice: market demand!) by >> > >putting back into production a great audio product of the past. You >>see >> > >this most often in studio products. Yet many of the re-issuers miss an >> > >important issue. The vintage gear went out of production for various >> > >reason, often good reasons, like . >> > > >> > > >> > >This state of affairs is frustrating to the few of us who design >>totally >> > >new tube gear designs that aren't just a re-issue of some decades-old >> > >model. We get lumped in with the "vintage re-issuers" and people >>assume >> > >our designs are similarly imitative or derivative. Let me hasten to >>add >> > >I have no problem with the vintage re-issue crowd. They serve a need. >> > >They fill a growing demand for a quality of sound that would otherwise >> > >not be available, except to those few who can restore old gear to new >> > >condition. >> > > >> > >Hey, despite being an original designer, I wish I could manufacture >>new >> > >"vintage re-issue" Nakamichi 550, 600, 700-II, 1000ZXL, and 68?ZX >> > >cassette recorders! Guess I'll have to be content making an all-new >> > >esoteric cassette deck. Sniff. >> > > >> > > >> > >-- >> > >Kermit Gray >> > >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording >>and >> > >pro audio info! >> > > >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > >Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >> > Tom Brucker CSM >> > Hi Tech Service >> > 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> > Nashville, TN 37211 >> > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>---------- >>Crush! Zap! Destroy! Junk e-mail trembles before the might of Windows >>Live(tm) Mail beta. >>Windows >>Live(tm) Mail beta >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >>Blab-away for as little as 1�/min. Make >>PC-to-Phone >>Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 13 17:52:18 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:52:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: I disagreed...NEVER any Nak deck use the last Dolby S...so if us which always stay firm to Nakamichi...don't see the relevant of Dolby S...OK...for "NEW" potentially buyers...agree! For the "Finale"...Kermit to make happy to all Nak fans...add B,C. & S...thus will be NO complains! So...the price will go near "The Sky"...as Kermit will need to pay to "Dolby Labs"...for license!!! LOL! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:01:38 -0400 > >I agree, if you do end up using Dolby, Dobly S would be ideal. > >At 09:55 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote: >>Kermit!! All these requests and they were not even on the menu!! May I >>suggest Dolby S. Let's us know as soon as you have an idea of price - or >>are Dolby Labs still doing their best to discourage it by overcharging. >> >>Cheers - Marc >>== > >Derrick Beckner >Mapping Specialist >Map Library Supervisor >Penn State University >1 Paterno Library >University Park, PA 16802 >dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >814-863-5753 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 13 17:55:56 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:55:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Shalom Marc! You wrote me...and Alex!! Blessings to you and yours over Pesach! Thank you very...very...heart fully! Be well, ALEX! >From: "Marc hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , >Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:47:02 +0200 > >Hi Tom, > >Yes I have a Philips DCC-600 deck. It's very good - I use it with >Panansonic and JVC media. It's smoother and more extended in the HF when >compared with MD, including ATRAC 5.0 and 'R' - although it does have an >advantage with 4:1 instead of 5:1 data reduction. But not to a significant >extent. I'd possibly still give MD the overall edge due to convenience, >editing power and the "cuteness" factor. It's better than the earlier >DCC-900 (runs much cooler) and about the same as the DCC-300. The machines >(made by Marantz, Philips and Technics) are all well built and I have no >doubt that my deck will last well. It's a great conversation piece too!! >My Philips CD-R 765 probably makes a technically better copy in that it is >a clone, but there's not much to tell between the resultant sound. >Comparatively though, a Nak recording will sound better (analogue is king) >and I would also opt for a good Dolby S recording on a non-Nak most days >over anything digital. (analogue is king! > , did I mention that?) > >Cheers all - have a great Easter - and Alex!! Blessings to you and yours >over Pesach. > >Marc > > >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 4/13/2006 4:12:39 PM >>> >Graham, > > Sony would keep compact cassette vital IF THEY OWNED THE PATENTS. IMO, >that is Sony's primary business model: intro formats for which patents are >held. DCC was Philips attempt to keep compact cassette vital. Has anyone >tried DCC? > >tom brucker > >At 11:02 PM 4/12/06 +0100, you wrote: > > > >Doane said: > > > >I don't agree with your last statement.. markets are determined by >demand, > >not by what we are persuaded to buy.. the demand for the cassette deck >died > >as the demand for the CD exploded.. all advertising does is try to >convince > >you to buy their brand. Do you actually think that Sony (for what ever > >reason) could launch an advertising campaign to buy cassette decks again >and > >that people would give up their CD players, Ipods, etc., and go back? >They > >might get more cassette sales, but they would also loose a lot of money >in > >the process. > > > > > > > >Not in my experience of Marketing in Financial Services, and I'm guessing > >it's not much different anywhere else. Companies make a big pretence of > >being customer-led but they lie about that as much as they lie about >almost > >everything else! (Besides, consumers don't lead new product ideas >anyway - > >they generally don't have the imagination for it. Being a researcher I > >know that, New product Development research only works if you can show > >research respondents what the product would like look and demonstrate how >it > >MIGHT benefit them. They then tell you how you have got that concept >wrong > >or right. What they never do is say "You should give us THIS product > >instead.") > > > >It has, for example, long been the practice in Consumer (B2C) Financial > >Services to re-invent the wheel but call it by another name and make it a > >special deal to attract new business from competitors, quiet in the > >knowledge that your own customers who have the old wheel won't have >noticed > >the interest rates they were earning when they opened the product, and >which > >the new wheel is offering, have fallen through the floor. Likewise, I > >suspect that hi fi (and most other) manufacturers like to create new >models > >and new innovations not necessarily because the new products are better >than > >the old ones but to persuade us to junk the old in favour of the new - in > >other words, to spend money and give it to them. Linn are masters at >this > >game, using the "upgrade" trick, forever selling their punters new > >"upgrades" that are supposed to improve the performance of their LP12 TTs > >... I once heard someone from another TT maker, who's longevity models >are > >still regarded highly after many years, "It's a pity Linn couldn't have >made > >them properly in the first place, and it's amazing how they manage to get > >their customers to pay to put them right!!" he also pointed out that, >for > >the money someone might have paid from buying an original LP12 and to >have > >bought all the upgrades since then, they could have purchased a super TT > >that would trample the LP12 and leave it for dead. > > > >To give you an example, the hi fi industry didn't drop valve (tube) > >separates for transistor ones because transistors then were inherently > >"better" than valve ones. In many cases, the predecessors were >(arguably) > >better sonically. However, transistors because a new way to make hi fi > >sound innovative and special ... and persuade people to junk their "old" > >valve gear and buy new transistor equipment instead. (The irony is that > >much of the original valve gear is still in use and well out lived much >of > >the stuff that replaced it.) > > > >So, no - I don't think Sony would be likely to revive the cassette. More > >likely, they'll be looking for the next generation of hardware and >software > >to take over from CD, MD, iPods, etc, to make THEM obsolete and create > >another new market. > > > >Gra' > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. 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In-Reply-To: <443E4D8E.7090603@rcn.com> Message-ID: I'll re-phrase that then.. yes, markets are CREATED by persuasion through advertising, but are then determined by DEMAND, and so are prices, OK? :~) Standard economics any business takes into consideration, cost, rate of return = decision to keep selling the product or change it so the public will like it. Advertising it self, won't keep selling most things unless you are in the perfume or other status market. The sales of cassette decks can sky rocket if aggressively advertised ONLY if there isn't something else out there that the buyer thinks is better.. "demand determines the market direction.".. a product more convenient and less expensive.. or at least, what he feels is a better deal in some way, for the money he spends. It might be better quality, be easier to use, have more features, be more attractive, etc., So I would say you are wrong there, even if Sony wanted to, they couldn't bring the cassette market back.. like I said, they would loose money, big time, you don't think they would? You don't see anyone aggressively advertising cassettes, do you? ..because no one would buy them because they have to compete with the new technology that has so many improvements and features that buyers like. If they didn't like the features, they wouldn't buy them, no matter how aggressively the companies try to convince them to.. people can think for themselves, though sometimes I wonder, when you look at political situations in the world today. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Doane, Going by my experience in new Products R&D, I tend to agree with Graham. Nelson wrote: > Doane said: > > I don't agree with your last statement.. markets are determined by demand, > not by what we are persuaded to buy.. But demand is generated by what we are persuaded to buy. (Incidentally, in a capitalistic market, so are prices). > the demand for the cassette deck died > as the demand for the CD exploded.. all advertising does is try to convince > you to buy their brand. Do you actually think that Sony (for what ever > reason) could launch an advertising campaign to buy cassette decks again and > that people would give up their CD players, Ipods, etc., and go back? I doubt people will give up their CDs, but the sales of cassette decks can sky rocket if aggressively advertised. > They > might get more cassette sales, but they would also loose a lot of money in > the process. I, too, doubt it will be a money making proposition for Sony, which is why I doubt they'd ever do it. But that's besides the point. If they choose, they *can* bring the languishing cassette medium back to life. -- Ron > > Not in my experience of Marketing in Financial Services, and I'm guessing > it's not much different anywhere else. Companies make a big pretence of > being customer-led but they lie about that as much as they lie about almost > everything else! (Besides, consumers don't lead new product ideas anyway - > they generally don't have the imagination for it. Being a researcher I > know that, New product Development research only works if you can show > research respondents what the product would like look and demonstrate how it > MIGHT benefit them. They then tell you how you have got that concept wrong > or right. What they never do is say "You should give us THIS product > instead.") > > It has, for example, long been the practice in Consumer (B2C) Financial > Services to re-invent the wheel but call it by another name and make it a > special deal to attract new business from competitors, quiet in the > knowledge that your own customers who have the old wheel won't have noticed > the interest rates they were earning when they opened the product, and which > the new wheel is offering, have fallen through the floor. Likewise, I > suspect that hi fi (and most other) manufacturers like to create new models > and new innovations not necessarily because the new products are better than > the old ones but to persuade us to junk the old in favour of the new - in > other words, to spend money and give it to them. Linn are masters at this > game, using the "upgrade" trick, forever selling their punters new > "upgrades" that are supposed to improve the performance of their LP12 TTs > ... I once heard someone from another TT maker, who's longevity models are > still regarded highly after many years, "It's a pity Linn couldn't have made > them properly in the first place, and it's amazing how they manage to get > their customers to pay to put them right!!" he also pointed out that, for > the money someone might have paid from buying an original LP12 and to have > bought all the upgrades since then, they could have purchased a super TT > that would trample the LP12 and leave it for dead. > > To give you an example, the hi fi industry didn't drop valve (tube) > separates for transistor ones because transistors then were inherently > "better" than valve ones. In many cases, the predecessors were (arguably) > better sonically. However, transistors because a new way to make hi fi > sound innovative and special ... and persuade people to junk their "old" > valve gear and buy new transistor equipment instead. (The irony is that > much of the original valve gear is still in use and well out lived much of > the stuff that replaced it.) > > So, no - I don't think Sony would be likely to revive the cassette. More > likely, they'll be looking for the next generation of hardware and software > to take over from CD, MD, iPods, etc, to make THEM obsolete and create > another new market. > > Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 13 18:04:37 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:04:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060413091239.0081ebd0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: There ya go.. DCC didn't fulfill the majority, or efnough of, the buying customers wants or desires, even though it was puhed hard on them though advertising.. the customer chose to go with recordable CDs instead. Demand determined the market. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:13 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Graham, Sony would keep compact cassette vital IF THEY OWNED THE PATENTS. IMO, that is Sony's primary business model: intro formats for which patents are held. DCC was Philips attempt to keep compact cassette vital. Has anyone tried DCC? tom brucker At 11:02 PM 4/12/06 +0100, you wrote: > >Doane said: > >I don't agree with your last statement.. markets are determined by demand, >not by what we are persuaded to buy.. the demand for the cassette deck died >as the demand for the CD exploded.. all advertising does is try to convince >you to buy their brand. Do you actually think that Sony (for what ever >reason) could launch an advertising campaign to buy cassette decks again and >that people would give up their CD players, Ipods, etc., and go back? They >might get more cassette sales, but they would also loose a lot of money in >the process. > > > >Not in my experience of Marketing in Financial Services, and I'm guessing >it's not much different anywhere else. Companies make a big pretence of >being customer-led but they lie about that as much as they lie about almost >everything else! (Besides, consumers don't lead new product ideas anyway - >they generally don't have the imagination for it. Being a researcher I >know that, New product Development research only works if you can show >research respondents what the product would like look and demonstrate how it >MIGHT benefit them. They then tell you how you have got that concept wrong >or right. What they never do is say "You should give us THIS product >instead.") > >It has, for example, long been the practice in Consumer (B2C) Financial >Services to re-invent the wheel but call it by another name and make it a >special deal to attract new business from competitors, quiet in the >knowledge that your own customers who have the old wheel won't have noticed >the interest rates they were earning when they opened the product, and which >the new wheel is offering, have fallen through the floor. Likewise, I >suspect that hi fi (and most other) manufacturers like to create new models >and new innovations not necessarily because the new products are better than >the old ones but to persuade us to junk the old in favour of the new - in >other words, to spend money and give it to them. Linn are masters at this >game, using the "upgrade" trick, forever selling their punters new >"upgrades" that are supposed to improve the performance of their LP12 TTs >... I once heard someone from another TT maker, who's longevity models are >still regarded highly after many years, "It's a pity Linn couldn't have made >them properly in the first place, and it's amazing how they manage to get >their customers to pay to put them right!!" he also pointed out that, for >the money someone might have paid from buying an original LP12 and to have >bought all the upgrades since then, they could have purchased a super TT >that would trample the LP12 and leave it for dead. > >To give you an example, the hi fi industry didn't drop valve (tube) >separates for transistor ones because transistors then were inherently >"better" than valve ones. In many cases, the predecessors were (arguably) >better sonically. However, transistors because a new way to make hi fi >sound innovative and special ... and persuade people to junk their "old" >valve gear and buy new transistor equipment instead. (The irony is that >much of the original valve gear is still in use and well out lived much of >the stuff that replaced it.) > >So, no - I don't think Sony would be likely to revive the cassette. More >likely, they'll be looking for the next generation of hardware and software >to take over from CD, MD, iPods, etc, to make THEM obsolete and create >another new market. > >Gra' > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tomas at tlec.se Thu Apr 13 16:58:18 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:58:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: Items Wanted Lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is possible to use my homepage for "For Sale" etc. If that is a way to go, I could add some more groups in the forum. Obviously you need to register to post. I don't think that a forum like this is a very good way to have a sales-list on, personally I think a web-based forum is better. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:03 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Sale: Items Wanted Lists > > That's up to Wouter, of course, but I would favour the idea > provided it was open to "known" members, not just > fly-by-the-night folk who have something they want to sell. > The great thing about this community is this: Whilst we may > not all agree on everything, and sometimes there are quarrels > and people fall out; however, there seems to exist a strong > level of TRUST between members because we know we're all here > for the long haul, not just for a fast buck. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net > Sent: 12 April 2006 19:15 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] For Sale: Items Wanted Lists > > > Has it ever been considered to have a For Sale of Items > Wanted list on Naks.com? > > For instance, I am looking for a Dragon or B215 possibly and > would like to know that it would come from someone I trust on > this group. > > Comments anyon? Of course, the list would also have to be > moderated so this fliers don't come in to sell their junk > that they can't sell on ebay. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 13 17:14:47 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:14:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's cassette deck Message-ID: <443E6AE7.501@sbcglobal.net> King Kermit says: "Frankly, I want to see if I can beat Nakamichi with regard to sound quality. My guess is that marrying a high-quality cassette transport (fitted with excellent heads) to a studio master recorder's sophisticated electronics will allow me to succeed at this quest." Ken says, after bowing: Kermit, you can beat a Nak if you can get the transport and heads right. From what I have seen on the inside of my Naks, there is big room for improvement in the audio boards using better caps, cleaner layout,thicker traces,better pots, etc. The power supplies can be beefed up, etc.. I also would like to see a tube hybrid output stage and maybe a tube hybrid record section too, as an option. I really love the multiple speed idea! I would suggest using an external Dolby decoder. A DBX pro unit could be used as well. Are you going to use a pad lifter?? I hope this comes to a prototype soon. Very exciting! From Frcohn at aol.com Thu Apr 13 18:23:02 2006 From: Frcohn at aol.com (Frcohn at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:23:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NYC repair for Nakamichi Message-ID: <393.596746.316fd4e6@aol.com> I'm new to Naktalk, so I may be doubling up my efforts, since I've already posted to the message board. But here goes: Does anyone have any suggestions for a Nakamichi repair shop in New York City, preferably Manhattan? I just bought an LX-5 off of eBay, and unfortunately, the "Eject" button does not work. This seems to be a simple mechanical problem, but the cassette deck is unusable until it's fixed. If you've got suggestions, please email _FRCohn at aol.com_ (mailto:FRCohn at aol.com) . Thank you! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Apr 13 19:48:31 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:48:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060413134501.01dbf130@psulias.psu.edu> If you're going to use dolby, you might as well use the best. Dolby S, unlike B and C, was well regulated and allowed only to be used on machines that met certain criteria. Which is why you don't see it on any new machines. It is really quite effective. Not really sure why Nakamichi never incorporated it into their decks. The relevance was an extra 5db in noise reduction and NR that was effective over a broader frequency range (as I understand it), and was more compatible with Dolby B units than Dobly C was. Prerecorded tapes recorded with Dolby SR (a pro Dolby S) sounded fantastic. At 11:52 AM 4/13/2006, Alex Cozac wrote: >I disagreed...NEVER any Nak deck use the last Dolby S...so if us which >always stay firm to Nakamichi...don't see the relevant of Dolby >S...OK...for "NEW" potentially buyers...agree! > >For the "Finale"...Kermit to make happy to all Nak fans...add B,C. & >S...thus will be NO complains! So...the price will go near "The Sky"...as >Kermit will need to pay to "Dolby Labs"...for license!!! LOL! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Derrick Beckner >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:01:38 -0400 >> >>I agree, if you do end up using Dolby, Dobly S would be ideal. >> >>At 09:55 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote: >>>Kermit!! All these requests and they were not even on the menu!! May I >>>suggest Dolby S. Let's us know as soon as you have an idea of price - >>>or are Dolby Labs still doing their best to discourage it by overcharging. >>> >>>Cheers - Marc >>>== >> >>Derrick Beckner >>Mapping Specialist >>Map Library Supervisor >>Penn State University >>1 Paterno Library >>University Park, PA 16802 >>dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu >>http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ >>814-863-5753 >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 13 19:53:16 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:53:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443E900C.5080102@rcn.com> Alex, A stopgap solution at best, and very inaccurate. We are talking about an attempt to squeeze the absolute best possible sound from a recorded cassette. A treble control doesn't even come close to a Dolby decoder. -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Ron! > > Don't seems me that you "Can't"...play your encoded Dolby B with a deck > that have NO Dolby at all...you only move the "Treble"...to the > "Left"..so will be less acute...my problem is that my superbly ARC > SP-9/ll don't have any treble/bass possibility...but also...a little bit > "Treble Added"...it's OK...what happen with Dolby C...really don't > know...as Never I recorded something with Dolby C...mainly I record my > newer cassettes Dolby OFF...so listen with my Radio/Tape in my > car...provide me the best result to my hears. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Ron >> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:33:00 -0400 >> >> >> It would be great help if you could come up with a >> target selling price. Without it, the whole thing >> is a daydream exercise. >> >> You may wish to reconsider the Dolby issue. I, for >> one, will never buy a deck without, at least, Dolby B. >> All my cassette are encoded, what would I do with a >> deck that can't play them properly? I suspect I am not >> the only one. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>> Hey Derrick, >>> >>> Derrick Beckner wrote: >>>> What are some of the specs and features of your deck? >>> >>> Well, the deck is still in the early stages of development, so this >>> is tentative. The deck's overriding design philosophy is the "less >>> processing is better sound" doctrine. The main technical aspect of >>> the deck is that I'm developing record and reproduce electronics that >>> will give very low noise equal or better than Dolby B without the use >>> of noise reduction. It is remotely possible that the deck will have >>> Dolby, but I am not planning on it. Frequency response will be not >>> less than 20 - 20,000 cps with Chrome or metal oxide tapes, 30 - >>> 17,000 cps with ferric cassettes. The deck's full-balanced push-pull >>> electronics are derived from my 77D program amplifiers and should >>> give the deck a degree of low distortion not previously realized in >>> any cassette deck, even a Nakamichi. (The 77D program amplifier has a >>> THD of less than 0.01%, and can achieve as little as 0.003% THD >>> under ideal circumstances.) >>> >>> The most important feature that the deck is being designed so that it >>> will be extremely reliable, and that it can be serviced easily and >>> calibrated or aligned without the need for special jigs, gauges, and >>> hard to find parts, even when the deck is more than twenty years old. >>> An example of this is that its analog level meters will be able to be >>> used for aligning the head azimuth, record and reproduce electronics, >>> and tape speed. The deck will have its own fully-sweepable test >>> oscillator, THD meter, tachometer display. It also will have a >>> correlator to assist the recordist in achieving flawless spatial >>> imaging, as well as dedicated oscilloscope outputs for more >>> convenient measurements. >>> >>> The reliability issue is being carried to an extreme: the deck will >>> be so well documented that should the record and reproduce >>> electronics become unrepairable and parts unobtainable the deck will >>> have instructions on designing new record and reproduce electronics >>> from scratch using whatever electronics technology exists in the >>> future. The deck will not have much automation because of the >>> concerns for reliability, but will give the operator many built-in >>> tools to assist with every operation. >>> >>> I'm open to suggestions for features, but so far I'm contemplating: >>> >>> * Ferric, chrome and metal tape; with selectable EQ. >>> * Pitch control. >>> * Three tape speeds. >>> * Autostop (of course). >>> * Tachometer display to assist setting precise tape speed. >>> * Transport cue and review. >>> * Jog wheel tape shuttle (tentative). >>> * Library wind mode. >>> * Ability to handle any level of signal from mic level to +4 dB >>> professional line level. Both RCA and XLR jacks installed. >>> * Studio monitor quality headphones amp. >>> * Operator-adjustable EQ, reproduce azimuth and reproduce level to >>> enhance the quality of tapes recorded on other decks. >>> * Studio quality peak limiter and gain leveler. >>> * Real time tape counter. >>> * Service-in-place modular design. >>> * Expandable to four-track self-sync recording onto standard cassettes. >>> * Three head with self-sync/guide track capability as an option. >>> * Wireless remote control of transport functions (tentative). >>> * SMPTE sync option (tentative). >>> >>> This project actually started as a design for an all-new 30-ips >>> mastering reel-to-reel featuring newly-developed technology, which in >>> turn was an evolution of my designs for upgrading Ampex MR70, 350 and >>> 354 reel-to-reel mastering decks. In the process of the project I saw >>> that I could make a cassette deck out of the same basic design. The >>> only difference is that a cassette transport will be fitted to the >>> same electronics package and the appropriate chages will be made to >>> the bias and EQ subsystems. >>> >>> >>>>> Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the >>>>> state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other >>>>> designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree >>>>> with this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of >>>>> great analog recorders do seem like a lost era! >>> > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 13 20:00:30 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:00:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's In-Reply-To: <8211564468.20060413181311@kharkov.ua> References: <005301c65ed5$df261de0$0201a8c0@lan> <443E5520.20105@rcn.com> <8211564468.20060413181311@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <443E91BE.20706@rcn.com> Well, it's anybody's guess... However, I suspect that coming up with one rubber piece made from better material is faster and easier than re-engineering the complete idler assembly. You are talking about half a dozen different parts here, requiring several new moldings. This is just a conjecture on both our parts. Who knows what really happened... -- Ron Sergei Vorontsov wrote: > Hello Ron, > > It could be that at the time when the tire problem revealed > Nakamichi needed quick and radical solution. They did not have > time for experiments with rubber composition. > Besides for 20 or so years the chemistry was not sitting on > its hands. It is likely that better compositions available today > did not exist then. > > Sergei > > Thursday, April 13, 2006, 4:41:52 PM, you wrote: > > R> Martin Short wrote: >>> Hey Guy's, >>> >>> [.........] >>> Whilst the Sankyo tire IS a bit smaller >>> than the Nakamichi tire, the main problem with it in my experience is >>> the rubber composition. > > R> I don't know enough about rubber composition to > R> address the point. Yet, I wonder.. if this was > R> the problem, wouldn't have Sankyo (and/or > R> Nakamichi) solved it by going to a better tire > R> material, rather than offering the gear kit (that > R> must have been a source of embarrassment to them? > > R> -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 13 20:06:56 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:06:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's cassette deck In-Reply-To: <443E6AE7.501@sbcglobal.net> References: <443E6AE7.501@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <443E9340.5070908@rcn.com> Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > King Kermit says: > > "Frankly, I want to see if I can beat Nakamichi with regard to sound > quality. My guess is that marrying a high-quality cassette transport > (fitted with excellent heads) to a studio master recorder's > sophisticated electronics will allow me to succeed at this quest." > > > Ken says, after bowing: > > Kermit, you can beat a Nak if you can get the transport and heads right. > From what I have seen on the inside of my Naks, there is big room for > improvement in the audio boards using better caps, cleaner > layout,thicker traces,better pots, etc. The power supplies can be beefed > up, etc.. This is true, though it's easy to reach the point of diminishing return. > I also would like to see a tube hybrid output stage and maybe > a tube hybrid record section too, as an option. I would caution against the gimmicky use of tubes. Many purists prefer the accurate sound easily possible with SS circuitry to the distorted 'warm' sound of tubes. If you really want to cover all bases, you can incorporate a plug-in final stage and make both a tube and SS versions available. -- Ron > I really love the > multiple speed idea! I would suggest using an external Dolby decoder. A > DBX pro unit could be used as well. > Are you going to use a pad lifter?? > > I hope this comes to a prototype soon. Very exciting! From jberger at well.com Thu Apr 13 20:53:18 2006 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 50 In-Reply-To: <200604122104.k3CL4gMx008092@zxe.naks.com> References: <200604122104.k3CL4gMx008092@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Tech wrote: > A funny nakamichi fact. > In the US, in 1974, the list prices were as follows: > 700 $700 > 500 $500 > 1000 $1000 > I seem to recall a few more prices: 582 $890 581 $770 (or 780) 580 $675 (not as sure about this one) 480 $495 From rondo at nottltd.com Thu Apr 13 21:09:40 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:09:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's References: <3ab.14904a.316f8980@aol.com><008a01c65efd$88246060$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <002b01c65f05$fbcdc6c0$56d017c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Message-ID: <022401c65f2d$d11bb9a0$6401a8c0@Rondo> HMV, or His Masters Voice, was the trademark logo of RCA many years ago. It consisted of a dog cocking his ear towards the horn speaker of an early record player, presumably "hearing his masters' voice from a peculiar location. I am still waiting to hear what IIRC and IMO mean... Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: wdrewes Try ' His Masters Voice'! I dont know where these abreviations come from! In this part of the world we dont use these funny things.( lol) Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's > From: > >> OK I have not been on the list to long but I need to know, what these >> mean: >> IIRC > > If I Remember Correctly > >> FWIW > > For What It's Worth > >> HMV > > No idea. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 13 21:28:33 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:28:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Marc How well does your DCC replay conventional analogue cassettes? As I recall they were meant to bridge the gap between them and digital recording onto digital tapes. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc hugo Sent: 13 April 2006 15:47 To: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Hi Tom, Yes I have a Philips DCC-600 deck. It's very good - I use it with Panansonic and JVC media. It's smoother and more extended in the HF when compared with MD, including ATRAC 5.0 and 'R' - although it does have an advantage with 4:1 instead of 5:1 data reduction. But not to a significant extent. I'd possibly still give MD the overall edge due to convenience, editing power and the "cuteness" factor. It's better than the earlier DCC-900 (runs much cooler) and about the same as the DCC-300. The machines (made by Marantz, Philips and Technics) are all well built and I have no doubt that my deck will last well. It's a great conversation piece too!! My Philips CD-R 765 probably makes a technically better copy in that it is a clone, but there's not much to tell between the resultant sound. Comparatively though, a Nak recording will sound better (analogue is king) and I would also opt for a good Dolby S recording on a non-Nak most days over anything digital. (analogue is king! , did I mention that?) Cheers all - have a great Easter - and Alex!! Blessings to you and yours over Pesach. Marc From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 13 21:28:35 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:28:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not quite ... I agree the DCC format was not as cute as MD or even recordable CD BUT Phillips also lost the marketing war with Sony, who were pushing CD/R and esp. MD brilliantly into the Youth market. Anyone remember their great commercial with the kid flat-lining on the hospital bed and was brought a round by shocking his system with heavy metal music that was probably more to the liking of his Dad? The inference was that he'd OD's on "E". Thus, Sony positioned themselves not endorsing drugs but accepting the taking of E's is common and considered "okay" by their customers. They demonstrated they had empathy with their target customers. Ergo, Sony seemed "cool" about drugs. Similarly, they also demonstrated that they (Sony) also understood the kind of music their youth market likes and doesn't like. Ergo, Sony is even more cool! Better still, they also showed they understand their market likes small gadgets ... cooler still. Sony laid the ground bait, fixed the harder bait to the hook and reeled 'em in - they couldn't fail because Phillips marketing either didn't understand their market or they failed to demonstrate their empathy with it. The Sony MD campaign was masterly! Phillips was dull and uninspired by comparison. The best they could come up with was "it's digital" and "you won't have to throw away all your old cassettes ..." Oh, great! How exciting ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 13 April 2006 17:05 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? There ya go.. DCC didn't fulfill the majority, or efnough of, the buying customers wants or desires, even though it was puhed hard on them though advertising.. the customer chose to go with recordable CDs instead. Demand determined the market. :~) Doane From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 13 21:28:37 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:28:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: True enough but the point is the big corporations decide on what alternatives are available. So, they drive the markets into a direction they want. It occasionally that goes wrong when another corporation won't play ball, as we have seen when hi fi companies have format wars. At the extreme, an example would be Henry Ford and "you can have any colour car so long as it's black ..." Another example would be vacuum cleaners. Not until James Dyson finally managed to raise some private investment did the bagless vacuum cleaner finally topple the out dated conventional cleaner designs, which had been propagated by the companies, not because customers wanted cleaners with bags (they didn't even know such technology existed) but because the manufacturers made lots of money selling dust bags! That's why Hoover, Electrolux, etc, wouldn't invest in Dyson's bagless design when he approached them. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 13 April 2006 16:57 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? I'll re-phrase that then.. yes, markets are CREATED by persuasion through advertising, but are then determined by DEMAND, and so are prices, OK? :~) Standard economics any business takes into consideration, cost, rate of return = decision to keep selling the product or change it so the public will like it. Advertising it self, won't keep selling most things unless you are in the perfume or other status market. Doane - From digitalvoice at yahoo.com Thu Apr 13 21:28:34 2006 From: digitalvoice at yahoo.com (Digital Voice) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's cassette deck In-Reply-To: <443E6AE7.501@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060413192834.6171.qmail@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is something that has been on my mind for quite a few years now. How about a 'no capstan' cassette deck mechanism? With the processing power available today for the equivalent of $50 in an off-the-shelf DSP module, surely the two reel motors can be controlled to run the tape to perfection. All that would be required is proper feedback of the tape tension, which could be done with a few glass (or ruby?) rods/shafts and piezo transducers, in essence a real-time tentelometer. This would greatly simplify the rest of the cassette mechanism. Victor ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken Kirkpatrick To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:14:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's cassette deck King Kermit says: "Frankly, I want to see if I can beat Nakamichi with regard to sound quality. My guess is that marrying a high-quality cassette transport (fitted with excellent heads) to a studio master recorder's sophisticated electronics will allow me to succeed at this quest." Ken says, after bowing: Kermit, you can beat a Nak if you can get the transport and heads right. From what I have seen on the inside of my Naks, there is big room for improvement in the audio boards using better caps, cleaner layout,thicker traces,better pots, etc. The power supplies can be beefed up, etc.. I also would like to see a tube hybrid output stage and maybe a tube hybrid record section too, as an option. I really love the multiple speed idea! I would suggest using an external Dolby decoder. A DBX pro unit could be used as well. Are you going to use a pad lifter?? I hope this comes to a prototype soon. Very exciting! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Apr 13 21:41:35 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:41:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's References: <3ab.14904a.316f8980@aol.com><008a01c65efd$88246060$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com><002b01c65f05$fbcdc6c0$56d017c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> <022401c65f2d$d11bb9a0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <001301c65f32$494b1a20$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> I already answered IIRC (quoted below your post), but: IIRC = If I Remember Correctly IMO = In My Opinion IMHO = In My Humble Opinion JMHO = Just My Humble Opinion LMAO = Laughing My A** Off ROTFLMAO = Rolling On The Floor Laughing My A** Off LOL = Laughing Out Loud etc. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Walton" HMV, or His Masters Voice, was the trademark logo of RCA many years ago. It consisted of a dog cocking his ear towards the horn speaker of an early record player, presumably "hearing his masters' voice from a peculiar location. I am still waiting to hear what IIRC and IMO mean... Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: wdrewes Try ' His Masters Voice'! I dont know where these abreviations come from! In this part of the world we dont use these funny things.( lol) Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > From: > >> OK I have not been on the list to long but I need to know, what these >> mean: >> IIRC > > If I Remember Correctly > >> FWIW > > For What It's Worth > >> HMV > > No idea. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 13 21:58:04 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:58:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's In-Reply-To: <022401c65f2d$d11bb9a0$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <3ab.14904a.316f8980@aol.com><008a01c65efd$88246060$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <002b01c65f05$fbcdc6c0$56d017c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> <022401c65f2d$d11bb9a0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <443EAD4C.5020104@yahoo.ca> HMV (now) is a music store in USA, Canada, UK, and a few other countries IIRC. IIRC is If I remember correctly and IMO is In my opinion. Ron Walton a écrit : > HMV, or His Masters Voice, was the trademark logo of RCA many years > ago. It consisted of a dog cocking his ear towards the horn speaker > of an early record player, presumably "hearing his masters' voice from > a peculiar location. > > I am still waiting to hear what IIRC and IMO mean... > > Ron W. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* wdrewes > > > Try ' His Masters Voice'! I dont know where these abreviations > come from! In > this part of the world we dont use these funny things.( lol) > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tires, 202's, and LP's > > > > From: > > > > >> OK I have not been on the list to long but I need to know, what > these > >> mean: > >> IIRC > > > > If I Remember Correctly > > > >> FWIW > > > > For What It's Worth > > > >> HMV > > > > No idea. > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 13 22:21:46 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:21:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443E900C.5080102@rcn.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron! OK...you are right! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:53:16 -0400 > > >Alex, > >A stopgap solution at best, and very inaccurate. We >are talking about an attempt to squeeze the absolute >best possible sound from a recorded cassette. A treble >control doesn't even come close to a Dolby decoder. > >-- Ron > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Hi Ron! >> >>Don't seems me that you "Can't"...play your encoded Dolby B with a deck >>that have NO Dolby at all...you only move the "Treble"...to the "Left"..so >>will be less acute...my problem is that my superbly ARC SP-9/ll don't have >>any treble/bass possibility...but also...a little bit "Treble >>Added"...it's OK...what happen with Dolby C...really don't know...as Never >>I recorded something with Dolby C...mainly I record my newer cassettes >>Dolby OFF...so listen with my Radio/Tape in my car...provide me the best >>result to my hears. >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Ron >>>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>>To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >>>Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >>>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:33:00 -0400 >>> >>> >>>It would be great help if you could come up with a >>>target selling price. Without it, the whole thing >>>is a daydream exercise. >>> >>>You may wish to reconsider the Dolby issue. I, for >>>one, will never buy a deck without, at least, Dolby B. >>>All my cassette are encoded, what would I do with a >>>deck that can't play them properly? I suspect I am not >>>the only one. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>>Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>>>Hey Derrick, >>>> >>>>Derrick Beckner wrote: >>>>>What are some of the specs and features of your deck? >>>> >>>>Well, the deck is still in the early stages of development, so this is >>>>tentative. The deck's overriding design philosophy is the "less >>>>processing is better sound" doctrine. The main technical aspect of the >>>>deck is that I'm developing record and reproduce electronics that will >>>>give very low noise equal or better than Dolby B without the use of >>>>noise reduction. It is remotely possible that the deck will have Dolby, >>>>but I am not planning on it. Frequency response will be not less than 20 >>>>- 20,000 cps with Chrome or metal oxide tapes, 30 - 17,000 cps with >>>>ferric cassettes. The deck's full-balanced push-pull electronics are >>>>derived from my 77D program amplifiers and should give the deck a degree >>>>of low distortion not previously realized in any cassette deck, even a >>>>Nakamichi. (The 77D program amplifier has a THD of less than 0.01%, and >>>>can achieve as little as 0.003% THD under ideal circumstances.) >>>> >>>>The most important feature that the deck is being designed so that it >>>>will be extremely reliable, and that it can be serviced easily and >>>>calibrated or aligned without the need for special jigs, gauges, and >>>>hard to find parts, even when the deck is more than twenty years old. An >>>>example of this is that its analog level meters will be able to be used >>>>for aligning the head azimuth, record and reproduce electronics, and >>>>tape speed. The deck will have its own fully-sweepable test oscillator, >>>>THD meter, tachometer display. It also will have a correlator to assist >>>>the recordist in achieving flawless spatial imaging, as well as >>>>dedicated oscilloscope outputs for more convenient measurements. >>>> >>>>The reliability issue is being carried to an extreme: the deck will be >>>>so well documented that should the record and reproduce electronics >>>>become unrepairable and parts unobtainable the deck will have >>>>instructions on designing new record and reproduce electronics from >>>>scratch using whatever electronics technology exists in the future. The >>>>deck will not have much automation because of the concerns for >>>>reliability, but will give the operator many built-in tools to assist >>>>with every operation. >>>> >>>>I'm open to suggestions for features, but so far I'm contemplating: >>>> >>>>* Ferric, chrome and metal tape; with selectable EQ. >>>>* Pitch control. >>>>* Three tape speeds. >>>>* Autostop (of course). >>>>* Tachometer display to assist setting precise tape speed. >>>>* Transport cue and review. >>>>* Jog wheel tape shuttle (tentative). >>>>* Library wind mode. >>>>* Ability to handle any level of signal from mic level to +4 dB >>>>professional line level. Both RCA and XLR jacks installed. >>>>* Studio monitor quality headphones amp. >>>>* Operator-adjustable EQ, reproduce azimuth and reproduce level to >>>>enhance the quality of tapes recorded on other decks. >>>>* Studio quality peak limiter and gain leveler. >>>>* Real time tape counter. >>>>* Service-in-place modular design. >>>>* Expandable to four-track self-sync recording onto standard cassettes. >>>>* Three head with self-sync/guide track capability as an option. >>>>* Wireless remote control of transport functions (tentative). >>>>* SMPTE sync option (tentative). >>>> >>>>This project actually started as a design for an all-new 30-ips >>>>mastering reel-to-reel featuring newly-developed technology, which in >>>>turn was an evolution of my designs for upgrading Ampex MR70, 350 and >>>>354 reel-to-reel mastering decks. In the process of the project I saw >>>>that I could make a cassette deck out of the same basic design. The only >>>>difference is that a cassette transport will be fitted to the same >>>>electronics package and the appropriate chages will be made to the bias >>>>and EQ subsystems. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Well, I'm working on a cassette deck which will, hopefully push the >>>>>>state of the cassette arts even further and I know of two other >>>>>>designers working on new high-end cassette decks. So I cannot agree >>>>>>with this point but I sure understand the pessimism. The days of great >>>>>>analog recorders do seem like a lost era! >>>> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Apr 13 23:18:53 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:18:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts Message-ID: Most wanted or most rare? I'm still looking for one of the knob covers on the Dragon for the bias/eq/level controls. I suspect if I wait long enough I'll find a beat up enough deck I think I can scavange, since I only need one. The hard one to get is a level slider knob for a 1000ZXL limited. Yes, I have a gold-painted black one at the moment, but it doesn't match quite. The original is just gold plastic or gold-painted plastic, btw, not anything special. And yes, I can hear everybody weeping with sympathy on that one ;-)-kby From kjbleus at charter.net Fri Apr 14 01:43:34 2006 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:43:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-202 Parts - Who wants 'em??? Message-ID: <000a01c65f54$15668650$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Greetings..... Well, after reading some of the interesting and inspiring egroup postings about all of your classic Nak decks, particularly 680ZX series, I've decided to pull my old trusty (and currently non-functioning) 680ZX, have that evaluated and hopefully repaired to Nak specifications. Just double box packaged the old Nak, and sending via USPS prio mail to Tom and his colleagues at Hi Tech Services in Nashville, Tennessee. We'll see how the old beast fares after being in storage for a bit of time. After that, I gotta get my T-100 Analyzer inspected and have that up and running again. Springtime, such a motivator to clean out the closets, eh? Regarding Nak RX-202 parts, clear cassette cover, and other mechanism gear, I do have a box with a euro RX-202 devoured carcass. What remains is the main front piece (aluminum), the cassette holder (holds the cassette inverted), a variety of capstan motors, switches, integrated main circuit board, etc. Sorry Dean, I don't recollect that a clear cover is lying around in the basement vault (but who knows, maybe if I did a thorough cleaning). In the spirit of good and helpful NakManShip, anyone who wishes these Nak parts as a gift can contact me directly. Your cost will be shipping postage back to you. Ahhh, donations of blank metal cassette tapes will be accepted for use at the BleusNak Studios in MadCity Wisc USA :-}} Best regards and keep NakTalkin'..... K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 06:19:45 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts (RX cassette doors) In-Reply-To: <27a.81ebb15.316ef58f@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060414041945.1395.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The RX-202 and RX-505 cassette doors are indeed different. I have both (2x RX-202 and 1x RX-505). Here is a picture I just took of the two doors from my decks. http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-Front-.jpg Does anyone know if the RX-303 is the same as either the RX-505 or the RX-202? I think it's the same as the RX-505 since they both share the classic Nakamichi mechanism. Can anyone confirm this? Scott J. --- N4229K at aol.com wrote: > No, Bala the 202 lens is smaller. If those 505 were 202s I have > em. > Dean > > Is it the same window as the 505? Some guy just had two seperate > auctions > for that window from England. $70+ was the start bid. > > > > > > From: N4229K at aol.com > > Date: 2006/04/12 Wed PM 01:53:33 EDT > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Most wanted parts > > > > I have written many times for The clear plastic lens (window) > for a RX-202 > > > deck. If I can't find any it is my next project to manufacture. > If any > on > > wants to sell I'll give top dollar. > > Dean > > > > Certain ZXL Parts? > > > > Regards > > Bala > > 79Labs > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Apr 14 00:55:56 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:55:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's cassette deck In-Reply-To: <20060413192834.6171.qmail@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060413192834.6171.qmail@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443ED6FC.3030104@rcn.com> Nothing is impossible for the person that doesn't have to do it... No, I'm just kidding... But what you are proposing is immensely more complex than the capstan system, if doable at all (probably not). -- Ron Digital Voice wrote: > Here is something that has been on my mind for quite a few years now. > How about a 'no capstan' cassette deck mechanism? > With the processing power available today for the equivalent of $50 in an off-the-shelf DSP module, surely the two reel motors can be controlled to run the tape to perfection. > All that would be required is proper feedback of the tape tension, which could be done with a few glass (or ruby?) rods/shafts and piezo transducers, in essence a real-time tentelometer. > This would greatly simplify the rest of the cassette mechanism. > > Victor > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ken Kirkpatrick > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:14:47 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's cassette deck > > > King Kermit says: > > "Frankly, I want to see if I can beat Nakamichi with regard to sound > quality. My guess is that marrying a high-quality cassette transport > (fitted with excellent heads) to a studio master recorder's > sophisticated electronics will allow me to succeed at this quest." > > > Ken says, after bowing: > > Kermit, you can beat a Nak if you can get the transport and heads right. From what I have seen on the inside of my Naks, there is big room for improvement in the audio boards using better caps, cleaner layout,thicker traces,better pots, etc. The power supplies can be beefed up, etc.. I also would like to see a tube hybrid output stage and maybe a tube hybrid record section too, as an option. I really love the multiple speed idea! I would suggest using an external Dolby decoder. A DBX pro unit could be used as well. > > Are you going to use a pad lifter?? > > I hope this comes to a prototype soon. Very exciting! From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 14 02:59:52 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:59:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: But Gra, you just proved my point again.. yes, you're right, the companies come out with products and advertise them and that creates a market, but the demand is determined by the customer, just like your Dyson example, if there is enough demand for something different, if people really are willing to pay for his vaccume in order to not have to buy bags, what do you think is going to happen?... the other companies will come out with their bagless versions, if they haven't already. It doesn't matter how good either companies advertising is, at the end of the day, customer demand is going to determine what ends up getting sales and staying in business. I think that really we are all pretty much saying the same thing, it isn't just one or the other, but a combination of things that determines what sells. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:29 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? True enough but the point is the big corporations decide on what alternatives are available. So, they drive the markets into a direction they want. It occasionally that goes wrong when another corporation won't play ball, as we have seen when hi fi companies have format wars. At the extreme, an example would be Henry Ford and "you can have any colour car so long as it's black ..." Another example would be vacuum cleaners. Not until James Dyson finally managed to raise some private investment did the bagless vacuum cleaner finally topple the out dated conventional cleaner designs, which had been propagated by the companies, not because customers wanted cleaners with bags (they didn't even know such technology existed) but because the manufacturers made lots of money selling dust bags! That's why Hoover, Electrolux, etc, wouldn't invest in Dyson's bagless design when he approached them. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 13 April 2006 16:57 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? I'll re-phrase that then.. yes, markets are CREATED by persuasion through advertising, but are then determined by DEMAND, and so are prices, OK? :~) Standard economics any business takes into consideration, cost, rate of return = decision to keep selling the product or change it so the public will like it. Advertising it self, won't keep selling most things unless you are in the perfume or other status market. Doane - ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 14 03:06:36 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:06:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-202 Parts - Who wants 'em??? In-Reply-To: <000a01c65f54$15668650$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: You're going to be very happy when you get your 680ZX back! And that was a nice offer of the free parts, bravo! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of KJ Bleus Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-202 Parts - Who wants 'em??? Greetings..... Well, after reading some of the interesting and inspiring egroup postings about all of your classic Nak decks, particularly 680ZX series, I've decided to pull my old trusty (and currently non-functioning) 680ZX, have that evaluated and hopefully repaired to Nak specifications. Just double box packaged the old Nak, and sending via USPS prio mail to Tom and his colleagues at Hi Tech Services in Nashville, Tennessee. We'll see how the old beast fares after being in storage for a bit of time. After that, I gotta get my T-100 Analyzer inspected and have that up and running again. Springtime, such a motivator to clean out the closets, eh? Regarding Nak RX-202 parts, clear cassette cover, and other mechanism gear, I do have a box with a euro RX-202 devoured carcass. What remains is the main front piece (aluminum), the cassette holder (holds the cassette inverted), a variety of capstan motors, switches, integrated main circuit board, etc. Sorry Dean, I don't recollect that a clear cover is lying around in the basement vault (but who knows, maybe if I did a thorough cleaning). In the spirit of good and helpful NakManShip, anyone who wishes these Nak parts as a gift can contact me directly. Your cost will be shipping postage back to you. Ahhh, donations of blank metal cassette tapes will be accepted for use at the BleusNak Studios in MadCity Wisc USA :-}} Best regards and keep NakTalkin'..... K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Apr 14 03:45:26 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:45:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Someone please post a link to Scott Johnsons Nakamichi refence site Message-ID: Someone please post a link to Scott Johnsons Nakamihi reference webpage. I have looked for it till I am blue in the face. Thanks- Jerryjg -- From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Fri Apr 14 03:52:23 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:52:23 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, MEK, 202's etc. Message-ID: <002301c65f66$131cdf40$0201a8c0@lan> Now that you Guy's up there are or should be sleeping.. I can catch up... Dean, HMV = "His Master Voice", one of the original UK recording labels. I am not sure of the exact history, but the dog's name was 'nipper' and the logo originally had nothing to do with the recording company, being derived from a painting by the dog's owner.... ( I think I learn't all that from playing Trivial Pursuit!!!). Glad to see you have found someone to make the RX202 doors.. all I could do was a polyester casting using the original as the mould master.. better than nothing, but if you can get one made from Acrylic/perspex, so much the better. Tom, Yes, testing the original Nak rubber would be academic, and it is also a destructive test.. so guard your new ones! Chris, MEK is Methyl Ethyl Ketone, a smelly chemical with good solvency power. Often a component of adhesives and lacquers. Ron is right in that it will not rejuvinate rubber, but a wipe with MEK will usually 'deglaze' = strip off the polished outer layer, and so extend the useable life of the tire until you could organise a replacement. If you soaked a BX series tire in MEK it will decompose. I never use it unless I have to. Enjoy your BX300; underated decks.. pity Nakamichi kept the ZX-5 designation for the home market only.. it would have conferred a higher status to a good machine instead of being lumped back with the single capstan BX's. The same transport went on to power the CR4( with gear upgrade), CR5, (and CR7 +/- gear drive?). Sergei, One of the problems with some synthetic rubbers in my experience is that they age relatively quickly, and can even 'age' if not stored correctly. Styrene, and the plasticisers often used in these compounds are volatile, and so exsolve out over time... heat accelerates the process, so the compound 'craps out' to put it bluntly before it wears out. I have replaced a few Sankyo tires in my time, and even used an 'O' ring on a BX150 when desperate until I could get a replacement tire.. it worked. By contrast, I have not replaced any of the idler tires on any of my machines employing the original Nak transport..... yet. Ron, The progression to the gear drive was a logical step if you follow Japanese engineering culture; it is an engineering improvement. Even if Nakamichi upgraded the rubber quality, the tires were always going to wear out...where as the gears should last the life time of the deck. This sounds contradictory given that I haven't replaced a Nak idler tire yet, but that event is inevitable. Somebody with an in depth knowledge of things Nak please correct me if I am wrong.. but the 'progression' to the Sankyo transport was probably cost based. The manufacturing cost of the original "precision"dual capstan transport was probably getting prohibitive, despite the fact that any tooling costs should have been absorbed long ago. The Sankyo transport was effectively an available 'off the peg' device of good performance, adapted to suit Nakamichi's needs. Other close variations can be found in some Sansui's as I discovered, and some Onkyo's that I know of, of similar vintage... and probably one or two other makes as well. Thus the tire issue with Sankyo decks is not unique to Nakamichi's... and there are probably many otherwise serviceable Sansui's and Onkyo's that have been dumped in ignorance because of it. Cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 09:17:46 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Someone please post a link to Scott Johnsons Nakamichi refence site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060414071746.16291.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> FAQ page http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html Model List page http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Model_List.html Mobile Audio Brochures http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/nak_mobile.html I have a bunch of other brochures up, but, apparently I don't have a page that links to all of them. I'll have to work on that. Actually I think you can link to them from the Model List page, but, it's burried with hundreds of other links. Scott J. --- jerryjg wrote: > > Someone please post a link to Scott Johnsons Nakamihi reference > webpage. > I have looked for it till I am blue in the face. Thanks- Jerryjg > -- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Apr 14 10:15:50 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:15:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DCC 600, playback, comparative technologies (Gra') Message-ID: Hi Gra' Yes, that's right, they were. I wasn't expecting much in that department but I was pleasantly suprised. Starting with transport inegrity - it's as solid as a rock (most un-Philips-like). Very steady indeed and consequently recordings sound secure and free of all the artifacts that emerge with wow and flutter. The sound is full and detailed and Dolby B and C are quite subtle and don't do anything to spoil the party. So, it's an unexpectedly good playback deck for the medium. However, this is not especially suprising because DCC uses the thin-film head (which Technics called "amorphous-Z") and that its playback quality is well reflected by the Technics RS-AZ6/7 which employed this technology to good effect. The think one also has to bear in mind is that playing numerous standard compact cassettes will eventually necessitate cleaning the heads and that this is only possible with the very hard to find DCC head cleaner. (The wretched thing is a drawer mounted transport so put those earbuds back in your ear). Cheers - Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 4/13/2006 9:28:33 PM >>> Marc How well does your DCC replay conventional analogue cassettes? As I recall they were meant to bridge the gap between them and digital recording onto digital tapes. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc hugo Sent: 13 April 2006 15:47 To: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Hi Tom, Yes I have a Philips DCC-600 deck. It's very good - I use it with Panansonic and JVC media. It's smoother and more extended in the HF when compared with MD, including ATRAC 5.0 and 'R' - although it does have an advantage with 4:1 instead of 5:1 data reduction. But not to a significant extent. I'd possibly still give MD the overall edge due to convenience, editing power and the "cuteness" factor. It's better than the earlier DCC-900 (runs much cooler) and about the same as the DCC-300. The machines (made by Marantz, Philips and Technics) are all well built and I have no doubt that my deck will last well. It's a great conversation piece too!! My Philips CD-R 765 probably makes a technically better copy in that it is a clone, but there's not much to tell between the resultant sound. Comparatively though, a Nak recording will sound better (analogue is king) and I would also opt for a good Dolby S recording on a non-Nak most days over anything digital. (analogue is king! , did I mention that?) Cheers all - have a great Easter - and Alex!! Blessings to you and yours over Pesach. Marc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From umeshchandran at bluebottle.com Fri Apr 14 11:18:05 2006 From: umeshchandran at bluebottle.com (umeshchandran) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:48:05 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Capstan Motor Message-ID: <000a01c65fa5$1aed7510$0201a8c0@umeshtrnb50qbk> Hello everyone, I ve joined naktalk about a month back when i baught a dragon. The machine was fine when i got it except for the reverse play. I ve used it for a week without using the reverse play. But now both my capstan moters are not working. Rest of the transport fuctions are fine. I have already posted a mail on this regad on naktalk but no one has replied till now. Im from Chennai, India and it wold be very expensive for me to send the machine somewhare abroad for servicing. I have experience in servicing electronic gadjets mostly mixing consoles and DTRS. I ve got the dragon schematics with me. If there is someone who is experienced in servicing naks I request their kind help. 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Sony, Philips, Pioneer, JVC, Nak and the rest don't care about sound: they care about money. If good sound gets them more money, so be it. If they can make more money building bicycles, they build bicycles. Or toasters. Look at Sansui for a company that threw their knitting out to sea and diversified into consumer appliances. So, here we are, 1991 or thereabouts. Sony is pumping MD, it's subsidiary Aiwa hammering away at DAT (with it's parent Sony doing much the same), Technics joining up with Philips punting DCC with sister company in Belgium, Marantz doing likewise, but bearing in mind, Technics's (Matsushita) parallel division, Panasonic is busy pushing professional (non-SCMS) DAT. And more...... The two points above - the very companies making the decks made decks that lasted - durability was (and is) a selling point - performance is too - so the business imperatives themselves (of selling anything at all) undermined the promise of new formats like MD, CD-R, DAT and DCC that might sell hugely or might not sell at all. The magazine editorials didn't help much at first - shootouts finding insignificant differences bewteen cassette tape and the newcomers. Why? Well, there are two reasons. Firstly, there wasn't much difference, at least not on the sound quality front. Secondly, because hi-fi mags weren't getting any increased advertising revenue from the manufacturers/distributors promoting digital yet (or other incentives!!). The Ray Dolby at Dolby Labs did a dirty on everyone. Dolby S was a nasty hit for the electronic companies out wanting to murder analogue tape (and quite close to the waterline). Dynamic range was 80dB or better and fidelity very good in general. All of the majors were poised for the next boom which would be people trashing their analogue decks and every household buying one or more recording component that would be a digital one. Some adopted Dolby S enthusiastically (such as Pioneer and Sony) and others followed on the principle of mutal consent paranoia. Others prayed for it to just go away (like JVC, Nakamichi, Marantz, Rotel, and NAD). The catalyst was advertising for the new formats (mainly the easy to sell CD-R) that happened concurrently with the availability of the former technology that prevailed upon people that analogue is yukky and antideluvian and unfashionable and if that isn't enough for you which it should be you dinosaur (it is for most people), has deafening levels of hiss, and fades to inaudiblility after only three plays. So get with it (same advert ideas as in 1983 - remember "CD's perfect sound forever?). Well, buddy, wake up and smell the digits, "digital" is perfect and "analogue" is another word for "not perfect". You see, the public are very simple by and large - so they thrive on simple messages. Saatchi and Saatchi (sp?) know this. They know that there are audiophiles out there with an interest and passion for Nakamichis and ReVox, Linn Sondeks and Mark Levinson Amps and Apogee speakers. But they also know you can make a certain amount of money building monster trucks, but you can make a whole lot more building Ford F-150s. Sad to say, thumping publicity campaigns do work. Truth has nothing to do with hype. In my part of the world, if you want to take over the country you don't seize the library. You grab the radio and TV station. Why? It gets to more people. Whichever method gets the simple message across to most people, and whatever you do, don't over estimate either the intelligence, attention span or even the interest of the masses. Cheers all - Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 4/13/2006 9:28:37 PM >>> True enough but the point is the big corporations decide on what alternatives are available. So, they drive the markets into a direction they want. It occasionally that goes wrong when another corporation won't play ball, as we have seen when hi fi companies have format wars. At the extreme, an example would be Henry Ford and "you can have any colour car so long as it's black ..." Another example would be vacuum cleaners. Not until James Dyson finally managed to raise some private investment did the bagless vacuum cleaner finally topple the out dated conventional cleaner designs, which had been propagated by the companies, not because customers wanted cleaners with bags (they didn't even know such technology existed) but because the manufacturers made lots of money selling dust bags! That's why Hoover, Electrolux, etc, wouldn't invest in Dyson's bagless design when he approached them. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 13 April 2006 16:57 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? I'll re-phrase that then.. yes, markets are CREATED by persuasion through advertising, but are then determined by DEMAND, and so are prices, OK? :~) Standard economics any business takes into consideration, cost, rate of return = decision to keep selling the product or change it so the public will like it. Advertising it self, won't keep selling most things unless you are in the perfume or other status market. Doane - ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From N4229K at aol.com Fri Apr 14 12:59:45 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:59:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts (RX cassette doors) Message-ID: <30e.2eb4cfb.3170daa1@aol.com> Yes, the 303 is the same as the 505. Nice workwith photos. Dean In a message dated 4/14/2006 12:24:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: The RX-202 and RX-505 cassette doors are indeed different. I have both (2x RX-202 and 1x RX-505). Here is a picture I just took of the two doors from my decks. http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-Front-.jpg Does anyone know if the RX-303 is the same as either the RX-505 or the RX-202? I think it's the same as the RX-505 since they both share the classic Nakamichi mechanism. Can anyone confirm this? Scott J. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 14 14:09:43 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:09:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Doane I agree in part, about supply and demand, but the point I was trying to make is that the old manufacturers, knowing that a better and newer technology was available, chose NOT to adopt it but to push the technology THEY wanted people to buy and they did so for quite a while after Dyson launched his first model (the DC01.) However, he was lucky because he found an investor AND it finally managed to persuade a couple of big chain retailers to stock the cleaner in their stores. THEY "pushed" the new cleaner (for whatever reason - may be a better profit margin than they got from Hoover, etc I suspect as its retail price was set at a premium level initially - £199) and the rest is history. I mean by that, the consumers didn't "choose" to buy the Dyson, it was sold to them. It didn't matter if the cleaner was better, or not, than traditional cleaners - just that it offered the sales people "saleable" features that made it stand out, bagless being one of them, "vortex suction", one more and "no loss of suction" being another. It is also transparent so you can SEE the dirt being gathered up. The fact that you could buy premium priced cleaners with bags that could still suck at least as well as a Dyson even with a full bag was completely lost to the argument because the retailers wanted to sell Dysons. Thence, advertising, marketing and selling created the demand for bagless cleaners. It was the same in hi fi with separate power amps - it became a craze to have separate power amps because some makers decided this was a neat way to sell more units, not because having separate power amps has some significant advantage over integrated ones. And now I hear that steam engines are about to make a comeback! New engineering techniques and materials are making the old technology highly viable. Bringing this back to topic, new engineering techniques and materials could easily make cassette decks viable again ... if the big manufacturers chose to take that root, if they felt they could make serious money out of it. But they probably won't. There again, whoever would have thought we'd see steam engines again except in museums? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 14 April 2006 02:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? But Gra, you just proved my point again.. yes, you're right, the companies come out with products and advertise them and that creates a market, but the demand is determined by the customer, just like your Dyson example, if there is enough demand for something different, if people really are willing to pay for his vaccume in order to not have to buy bags, what do you think is going to happen?... the other companies will come out with their bagless versions, if they haven't already. It doesn't matter how good either companies advertising is, at the end of the day, customer demand is going to determine what ends up getting sales and staying in business. I think that really we are all pretty much saying the same thing, it isn't just one or the other, but a combination of things that determines what sells. Doane From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Apr 14 14:25:44 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:25:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Someone please post a link to Scott Johnsons Nakamichi refence site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443F94C8.1020204@rcn.com> jerryjg wrote: > > Someone please post a link to Scott Johnsons Nakamihi reference > webpage. I have looked for it till I am blue in the face. Thanks- Jerryjg > -- > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 14 15:53:28 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:53:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <20060411083104.89217.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Chris: Not sure if it was you, but who ever it was asking about using MEK... don't use it, very, very voltile and health dangerous stuff. Acetone is a much safer alternative and available every where. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Chris Mann Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job Guys I wanted to agree with Tom Bruckner when he recommends Dean Sanborn as a source of Nak tires. Not only is Dean a knowledgeable and helpful guy, but his pricing is keen and the quality of the product is very very high. I'd already bought a tire from someone else on eBay but once I got in touch with Dean, I waited for *his* tire to turn up before doing the job - I was so confident that his skill and a superior product would help me do a good job. Glad to say it turned out that way. Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 14 15:58:17 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:58:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NYC repair for Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <393.596746.316fd4e6@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060414085817.00829ae0@earthlink.net> This repair can be done, however the part that broke is no longer available. It is a nylon clamp that holds the eject cable housing in place. I have a method of restoring the stock eject function without requiring the part. If you can't find someone local, you may ship it to Nashville. Typical repair is $75. tom brucker At 12:23 PM 4/13/06 EDT, you wrote: >>>> I'm new to Naktalk, so I may be doubling up my efforts, since I've already posted to the message board. But here goes: Does anyone have any suggestions for a Nakamichi repair shop in New York City, preferably Manhattan? I just bought an LX-5 off of eBay, and unfortunately, the "Eject" button does not work. This seems to be a simple mechanical problem, but the cassette deck is unusable until it's fixed. If you've got suggestions, please email FRCohn at aol.com. Thank you! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 14 16:22:33 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:22:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Capstan Motor In-Reply-To: <000a01c65fa5$1aed7510$0201a8c0@umeshtrnb50qbk> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060414092233.00829ae0@earthlink.net> Umesh, begin with the elements required for both motors. Connector CN 505 pin 1 = 12v 3 = -12v. pin 4 toggles between 5v and 0 to switch directions. 5 =0v but if it is H, then the motor rotation is inhibited. pin 4 control comes from IC 602 pin 11: 0v = forward 5v= reverse. let us know what you measure. At 02:48 PM 4/14/06 +0530, you wrote: >>>> Hello everyone, I ve joined naktalk about a month back when i baught a dragon. The machine was fine when i got it except for the reverse play. I ve used it for a week without using the reverse play. But now both my capstan moters are not working. Rest of the transport fuctions are fine. I have already posted a mail on this regad on naktalk but no one has replied till now. Im from Chennai, India and it wold be very expensive for me to send the machine somewhare abroad for servicing. I have experience in servicing electronic gadjets mostly mixing consoles and DTRS. I ve got the dragon schematics with me. If there is someone who is experienced in servicing naks I request their kind help. Thank you, Umesh(umeshchandran at bluebottle.com) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 17:32:14 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with eject on an LX-5 In-Reply-To: <393.596746.316fd4e6@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060414153214.35648.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You MIGHT have the problem described in Nakamichi Service Information OOD-SI-3115. It only lists 480 series and 580 series decks, but, I thought most classis transport decks do eject with a wire linkage. http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg1.gif http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg2.gif Like someone else on the list said, the part for the repair is no longer available. What I did with my 480Z is RTV'd (aka silicon rubber sealant) the linkage wire holder to the eject linkage holder. The position of the linkage must be adjusted before the stuff cured because adjustment after the stuff sets is impossible without cuting the RTV out. It looks ugly, but, hey it works and only takes a few minutes to do (plus a couple days for the the curing process. SJ --- Frcohn at aol.com wrote: > I'm new to Naktalk, so I may be doubling up my efforts, since I've > already > posted to the message board. But here goes: > > Does anyone have any suggestions for a Nakamichi repair shop in New > York > City, preferably Manhattan? I just bought an LX-5 off of eBay, and > > unfortunately, the "Eject" button does not work. This seems to be a > simple mechanical > problem, but the cassette deck is unusable until it's fixed. > > If you've got suggestions, please email _FRCohn at aol.com_ > (mailto:FRCohn at aol.com) . Thank you! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From N4229K at aol.com Fri Apr 14 19:05:24 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:05:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belts tires etc Message-ID: <274.973bcb1.31713054@aol.com> Hi Everyone I made a trip to PRB (now Russell industries) to see about Idlers for the 1000 and 700 decks and also on some belts I needed. The people there were very helpful this time as opposed to my last visit and the place looked cleaner and more organized. Plus there was free coffee and cookies! YUM. They told me they can make anything custom if they don't have it and I put in a quote for a Nak idler tire for the 1000ZXL. They do have some close matches but all my measurements were in MM and they use inches (which is what I normally use) -- go figure. Again I offer my services to any one who needs belts etc. a list is on their website and I have forwarded to naktalk but I don't know if you can receive images on a post. Bye all Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Apr 14 19:56:12 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:56:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Someone please post a link to Scott Johnsons Nakamichi refence site In-Reply-To: <20060414071746.16291.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060414071746.16291.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443FE23C.9080502@xs4all.nl> The Link is also again on the Naks.com site's link section which I recovered today. Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > FAQ page > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > Model List page > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Model_List.html > > Mobile Audio Brochures > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/nak_mobile.html > > I have a bunch of other brochures up, but, apparently I don't have a > page that links to all of them. I'll have to work on that. Actually > I think you can link to them from the Model List page, but, it's > burried with hundreds of other links. > > Scott J. > > --- jerryjg wrote: > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Apr 14 19:58:28 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:58:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts (RX cassette doors) In-Reply-To: <20060414041945.1395.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060414041945.1395.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443FE2C4.8020602@xs4all.nl> YES, the same parts for 303 & 505 according to the Service Manuals: 0H04345A CAT Window Wouter > > Does anyone know if the RX-303 is the same as either the RX-505 or > the RX-202? I think it's the same as the RX-505 since they both > share the classic Nakamichi mechanism. Can anyone confirm this? > > Scott J. > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Apr 14 20:21:13 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:21:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with eject on an LX-5 In-Reply-To: <20060414153214.35648.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060414153214.35648.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443FE819.3040503@xs4all.nl> Whow this service bulletin shows EXACTLY what was wrong with my 481! I finally came to replace the idler this week (which had transformed from rubber into something like plastic) when I saw someone had dome something strange to fasten the exit belt... Now I know how to fix it! Thanks Scott! Wouter ps. We should start making a list of these Service Bulletins since they contain valuable information! Scott Johnson wrote: > You MIGHT have the problem described in Nakamichi Service Information > OOD-SI-3115. It only lists 480 series and 580 series decks, but, I > thought most classis transport decks do eject with a wire linkage. > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg1.gif > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg2.gif > > Like someone else on the list said, the part for the repair is no > longer available. What I did with my 480Z is RTV'd (aka silicon > rubber sealant) the linkage wire holder to the eject linkage holder. > The position of the linkage must be adjusted before the stuff cured > because adjustment after the stuff sets is impossible without cuting > the RTV out. It looks ugly, but, hey it works and only takes a few > minutes to do (plus a couple days for the the curing process. > > SJ > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 20:45:19 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with eject on an LX-5 In-Reply-To: <443FE819.3040503@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060414184519.40138.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Yes. Perhaps we can have a link page at the same location as the manuals (Tomas?). It should be in one place so that people can get manuals and updates at one location. Regards Bala 79Labs Wouter Heijke wrote: Whow this service bulletin shows EXACTLY what was wrong with my 481! I finally came to replace the idler this week (which had transformed from rubber into something like plastic) when I saw someone had dome something strange to fasten the exit belt... Now I know how to fix it! Thanks Scott! Wouter ps. We should start making a list of these Service Bulletins since they contain valuable information! Scott Johnson wrote: > You MIGHT have the problem described in Nakamichi Service Information > OOD-SI-3115. It only lists 480 series and 580 series decks, but, I > thought most classis transport decks do eject with a wire linkage. > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg1.gif > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg2.gif > > Like someone else on the list said, the part for the repair is no > longer available. What I did with my 480Z is RTV'd (aka silicon > rubber sealant) the linkage wire holder to the eject linkage holder. > The position of the linkage must be adjusted before the stuff cured > because adjustment after the stuff sets is impossible without cuting > the RTV out. It looks ugly, but, hey it works and only takes a few > minutes to do (plus a couple days for the the curing process. > > SJ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Glad to see you have found someone to make the RX202 doors.. all I could do was a polyester casting using the original as the mould master.. better than nothing, but if you can get one made from Acrylic/perspex, so much the better. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Fri Apr 14 21:03:25 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:03:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <443FF1FD.4020900@caribsurf.com> Whatcauses a BX300 to stop playing because the takeup spool has stopped? is this another case of replacing a tyre? Paul From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 21:24:57 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <443FF1FD.4020900@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <20060414192457.26932.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like a replace the tire issue to me. It could be the reel motor, but, 9 times out of 10 the cause is the tire. SJ --- Paul Carrington wrote: > Whatcauses a BX300 to stop playing because the takeup spool has > stopped? is this another case of replacing a tyre? > Paul > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From N4229K at aol.com Sat Apr 15 00:07:23 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:07:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <3ae.47faaf.3171771b@aol.com> Its a bad tire and its easy to replace in a BX-300 Dean --- Paul Carrington wrote: > Whatcauses a BX300 to stop playing because the takeup spool has > stopped? is this another case of replacing a tyre? > Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Apr 14 21:18:04 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:18:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job Message-ID: <442CCE20-1A3E-46E3-ACFF-806E9C6D3CD9@alumni.caltech.edu> > MEK... don't > use it, very, very voltile and health dangerous stuff. Although acetone is actually MORE volatile than MEK :-). Chemically, acetone and MEK are quite similar; MEK being a higher molecular weight (and otherwise similar) is less volatile (i.e. doesn't evaporate as fast)--which can be good or bad depending on how long you want it to stick around where you put it. It probably tends to have slightly greater solvating power for "greasy" kinds of things as well, although that's more of an off-the-cuff kind of thought than an experiential one. They're probably quite similar on "watery" kinds of things. Health-wise, acetone is actually a by-product (in small amounts) of normal metabolic processes, so it is probably "safer" at least in limited quantities (and since it doesn't stick around as much, see above, tends to stay within those limited quanties.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Fri Apr 14 21:31:45 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:31:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <20060414192457.26932.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060414192457.26932.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443FF8A1.8080906@caribsurf.com> Many thanks Scott.... I have not been following the discussions carefully so I am not sure where you can get a tyre? Incidentally, there are a significant number of posts on Naks which are distributed by e-mail and really fill your mailbox. Would it not be possible for this group to be established, say on Yahoo, so that you read the posts but they are not sent to your mailbox unless you specifically want one to be ....... there are a number of groups that use Yahoo Regards Paul Scott Johnson wrote: >Sounds like a replace the tire issue to me. It could be the reel >motor, but, 9 times out of 10 the cause is the tire. > >SJ > >--- Paul Carrington wrote: > > > >>Whatcauses a BX300 to stop playing because the takeup spool has >>stopped? is this another case of replacing a tyre? >>Paul >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Fri Apr 14 21:53:58 2006 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:53:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, MEK, 202's etc. In-Reply-To: <045701c65fe5$a2662330$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <000601c65ffd$2b503840$0302a8c0@markantec> Just today, on mainstream UK TV, they had a 1920's HMV turntable on show. Virtually a piece of furniture, and being described in terms that made you think it might have been the Nak of its day. Smaller than the Victrola shown in the link. Was estimated to fetch c.100GBP, which makes for an interesting comparison with say $200 US indicated in the link as the original price. Mark _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Walton Sent: 14 April 2006 18:06 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tires, MEK, 202's etc. Regarding HMV See this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Talking_Machine_Company Interesting Stuff! best regards, Ron W. From: Martin Short . Now that you Guy's up there are or should be sleeping.. I can catch up... Dean, HMV = "His Master Voice", one of the original UK recording labels. I am not sure of the exact history, but the dog's name was 'nipper' and the logo originally had nothing to do with the recording company, being derived from a painting by the dog's owner.... ( I think I learn't all that from playing Trivial Pursuit!!!). 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 14 22:24:32 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:24:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, MEK, 202's etc. In-Reply-To: <045701c65fe5$a2662330$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <002301c65f66$131cdf40$0201a8c0@lan> <045701c65fe5$a2662330$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <44400500.7010809@yahoo.ca> And the super T-Shirt they sell at Antique Electronics Supply : http://www.tubesandmore.com/cemirror/inv/G-731.GIF When I talked about HMV, it's the music store(Which was the record company before) in UK, Canada, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore I was talking about. http://www.answers.com/topic/hmv Ron Walton a écrit : > Regarding HMV See this: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Talking_Machine_Company > > Interesting Stuff! > > best regards, > Ron W. > > > > > *From:* Martin Short > . > > Now that you Guy's up there are or should be sleeping.. I can > catch up... > > Dean, > > HMV = "His Master Voice", one of the original UK recording labels. > I am not sure of the exact history, but the dog's name was > 'nipper' and the logo originally had nothing to do with the > recording company, being derived from a painting by the dog's > owner.... ( I think I learn't all that from playing Trivial > Pursuit!!!). > Glad to see you have found someone to make the RX202 doors.. all I > could do was a polyester casting using the original as the mould > master.. better than nothing, but if you can get one made from > Acrylic/perspex, so much the better. > > From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Apr 14 23:36:40 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:36:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <443FF1FD.4020900@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul, So you went for the BX-300 in the end? Good to see you here. As Scoot says, the idler tire is likely to need replacement as that was one of the known problems with the earlier BX and CR series models. I still remember finding out about this idler problem when I first joined naktalk about 5 years ago and Stephen Sank kindly gave me the instructions on how to change it on the RX-202. I think Scott's now got the instructions on his website? If not I still have a copy. Got a question for Tom - do you service Nakamichi car audio stuff too? It's getting difficult to find anyone who services the car audio stuff, including the classics like the TD-500/TD-700, MTD 1 and RD series, although I recently came across a French company that says they can do all the servicing even for TD series. Only snag is they're not cheap as their repair costs start from Euro 100 (US $130 or so) upwards EXCLUDING parts costs, which are likely to be even higher! Not to mention shipping to and back from them in France! From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 14 23:51:56 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:51:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think we're going around in circles with this one. :~) I also think we are sort of saying the same thing, in a lot of ways, and probably neither of us should have made our statements as if they are the only explination of why things sell, or why people buy products.. while it's actaully a combination of both things, and many things that determines sales. Advertising, market direction by the producers, customer demand determining market direction, customer acceptance of the products brought out by manufactures then determining the direction, etc., etc. Not too much else to say on this, I guess. Cheers, Doane ---------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 5:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Hi Doane I agree in part, about supply and demand, but the point I was trying to make is that the old manufacturers, knowing that a better and newer technology was available, chose NOT to adopt it but to push the technology THEY wanted people to buy and they did so for quite a while after Dyson launched his first model (the DC01.) However, he was lucky because he found an investor AND it finally managed to persuade a couple of big chain retailers to stock the cleaner in their stores. THEY "pushed" the new cleaner (for whatever reason - may be a better profit margin than they got from Hoover, etc I suspect as its retail price was set at a premium level initially - £199) and the rest is history. I mean by that, the consumers didn't "choose" to buy the Dyson, it was sold to them. It didn't matter if the cleaner was better, or not, than traditional cleaners - just that it offered the sales people "saleable" features that made it stand out, bagless being one of them, "vortex suction", one more and "no loss of suction" being another. It is also transparent so you can SEE the dirt being gathered up. The fact that you could buy premium priced cleaners with bags that could still suck at least as well as a Dyson even with a full bag was completely lost to the argument because the retailers wanted to sell Dysons. Thence, advertising, marketing and selling created the demand for bagless cleaners. It was the same in hi fi with separate power amps - it became a craze to have separate power amps because some makers decided this was a neat way to sell more units, not because having separate power amps has some significant advantage over integrated ones. And now I hear that steam engines are about to make a comeback! New engineering techniques and materials are making the old technology highly viable. Bringing this back to topic, new engineering techniques and materials could easily make cassette decks viable again ... if the big manufacturers chose to take that root, if they felt they could make serious money out of it. But they probably won't. There again, whoever would have thought we'd see steam engines again except in museums? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 14 April 2006 02:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? But Gra, you just proved my point again.. yes, you're right, the companies come out with products and advertise them and that creates a market, but the demand is determined by the customer, just like your Dyson example, if there is enough demand for something different, if people really are willing to pay for his vaccume in order to not have to buy bags, what do you think is going to happen?... the other companies will come out with their bagless versions, if they haven't already. It doesn't matter how good either companies advertising is, at the end of the day, customer demand is going to determine what ends up getting sales and staying in business. I think that really we are all pretty much saying the same thing, it isn't just one or the other, but a combination of things that determines what sells. Doane ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From flifton at mac.com Sat Apr 15 00:37:34 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:37:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Marketing In-Reply-To: <200604141756.k3EHuj2i019605@zxe.naks.com> References: <200604141756.k3EHuj2i019605@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <07AFE45E-83F8-40BC-A42B-C8025DC94D33@mac.com> Marc's point is well taken. 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Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3653 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 15 01:17:15 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:17:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]nakamichi car stereo In-Reply-To: References: <443FF1FD.4020900@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060414181715.0081e100@earthlink.net> Paul, I can repair the car stereos. I do not recognize the MTD model, but have the RD manuls. The RD shared mechanisms with Denon and Yamaha. The TD 700 is a gem. Cosmetic items probably aren't available. My labor is typically $75....but don't sent a TD1200 expecting that rate. BTW the TD 1200 had the best tuner I ever heard in a car stereo. Imagine that. I have a toasted TD 800 here that I'd love to repair, but it may be hopeless. It was toasted when a Porsche lost its voltage regulator. The owner revved the engine so high every lamp and stereo piece blew up! 45 volts or better. tom brucker At 09:36 PM 4/14/06 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi Paul, > >So you went for the BX-300 in the end? Good to see you here. As Scoot says, >the idler tire is likely to need replacement as that was one of the known >problems with the earlier BX and CR series models. > >I still remember finding out about this idler problem when I first joined >naktalk about 5 years ago and Stephen Sank kindly gave me the instructions >on how to change it on the RX-202. I think Scott's now got the instructions >on his website? If not I still have a copy. > >Got a question for Tom - do you service Nakamichi car audio stuff too? It's >getting difficult to find anyone who services the car audio stuff, including >the classics like the TD-500/TD-700, MTD 1 and RD series, although I >recently came across a French company that says they can do all the >servicing even for TD series. Only snag is they're not cheap as their repair >costs start from Euro 100 (US $130 or so) upwards EXCLUDING parts costs, >which are likely to be even higher! Not to mention shipping to and back from >them in France! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 02:27:36 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]nakamichi car stereo In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060414181715.0081e100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060415002736.82434.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will have to agree with you on the TD-1200 tuner. It is absolutely excellent. I still have that unit and want to turn it into a radio for the office with a little amp and a pair of speakers. Kinda like those little executive stereo systems, except this one will be built with a cassette/tuner that sold for over $1000. I got the Nak TD-500 first and the tuner in that thing sucked, but, I didn't buy it for the tuner. I bought it for the superb tape section with manual PB head azimuth adjust. I found a used TD-1200II in the recycler newspaper for cheap and bought it with an incomplete security code. When I took it apart I found that the security code was written on the motherboard. How's that for security. I think that unit had the motherboard replaced because I've worked on two other TD-1200II's and neither of them had the security code written on the motherboard. If anyone out there has a TD-500 or TD-700 that doesn't work try scraping all the brown glue off first. I had a problem on my TD-500 after a few years where it would play for a second and then stop like it had hit the end of the tape. The problem was the brown glue had turned conductive and was shorting out the signal from the hub sensor (the hub sensor the senses hub rotation). SJ --- Hi Tech wrote: > Paul, > I can repair the car stereos. I do not recognize the MTD model, > but have > the RD manuls. The RD shared mechanisms with Denon and Yamaha. The > TD 700 > is a gem. Cosmetic items probably aren't available. My labor is > typically > $75....but don't sent a TD1200 expecting that rate. > BTW the TD 1200 had the best tuner I ever heard in a car stereo. > Imagine > that. I have a toasted TD 800 here that I'd love to repair, but > it may be > hopeless. It was toasted when a Porsche lost its voltage regulator. > The > owner revved the engine so high every lamp and stereo piece blew > up! 45 > volts or better. > > tom brucker > > At 09:36 PM 4/14/06 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Hi Paul, > > > >So you went for the BX-300 in the end? Good to see you here. As > Scoot says, > >the idler tire is likely to need replacement as that was one of > the known > >problems with the earlier BX and CR series models. > > > >I still remember finding out about this idler problem when I first > joined > >naktalk about 5 years ago and Stephen Sank kindly gave me the > instructions > >on how to change it on the RX-202. I think Scott's now got the > instructions > >on his website? If not I still have a copy. > > > >Got a question for Tom - do you service Nakamichi car audio stuff > too? It's > >getting difficult to find anyone who services the car audio stuff, > including > >the classics like the TD-500/TD-700, MTD 1 and RD series, although > I > >recently came across a French company that says they can do all > the > >servicing even for TD series. Only snag is they're not cheap as > their repair > >costs start from Euro 100 (US $130 or so) upwards EXCLUDING parts > costs, > >which are likely to be even higher! Not to mention shipping to and > back from > >them in France! > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 02:30:43 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060415003043.86870.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I only have a link to the replacement instructions. They are actually on Jeff's ESL web site. http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm SJ --- winnie pooh wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > So you went for the BX-300 in the end? Good to see you here. As > Scoot says, > the idler tire is likely to need replacement as that was one of the > known > problems with the earlier BX and CR series models. > > I still remember finding out about this idler problem when I first > joined > naktalk about 5 years ago and Stephen Sank kindly gave me the > instructions > on how to change it on the RX-202. I think Scott's now got the > instructions > on his website? If not I still have a copy. > > Got a question for Tom - do you service Nakamichi car audio stuff > too? It's > getting difficult to find anyone who services the car audio stuff, > including > the classics like the TD-500/TD-700, MTD 1 and RD series, although > I > recently came across a French company that says they can do all the > > servicing even for TD series. Only snag is they're not cheap as > their repair > costs start from Euro 100 (US $130 or so) upwards EXCLUDING parts > costs, > which are likely to be even higher! Not to mention shipping to and > back from > them in France! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From N4229K at aol.com Sat Apr 15 02:32:40 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:32:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <365.261dea0.31719928@aol.com> Hey could you send me a copy of the 202 instructions for a reference Thanks Dean In a message dated 4/14/2006 7:05:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, winniepoohlove at hotmail.com writes: Hi Paul, So you went for the BX-300 in the end? Good to see you here. As Scoot says, the idler tire is likely to need replacement as that was one of the known problems with the earlier BX and CR series models. I still remember finding out about this idler problem when I first joined naktalk about 5 years ago and Stephen Sank kindly gave me the instructions on how to change it on the RX-202. I think Scott's now got the instructions on his website? If not I still have a copy. Got a question for Tom - do you service Nakamichi car audio stuff too? It's getting difficult to find anyone who services the car audio stuff, including the classics like the TD-500/TD-700, MTD 1 and RD series, although I recently came across a French company that says they can do all the servicing even for TD series. Only snag is they're not cheap as their repair costs start from Euro 100 (US $130 or so) upwards EXCLUDING parts costs, which are likely to be even higher! Not to mention shipping to and back from them in France! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Sat Apr 15 02:37:45 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:37:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <32e.2b7a973.31719a59@aol.com> ESL does not have Tire instructions for a RX-202 that I've seen. I've got it on my list to make an illustrated version as the change is simple but hard to put into not so many words. Dean In a message dated 4/14/2006 8:31:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: I only have a link to the replacement instructions. They are Actually on Jeff's ESL web site. http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm SJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 02:38:45 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060415003845.18722.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think I talked with a guy at that french company. If it's the same place he bought a TD-1200/PA-300/SP-300 service manual from me. We talked a little about the various problems the TD series of decks commonly have and how parts to fix these decks are no longer available. At the time he was looking for the little plastic gear on the capstan motor that drives the hubs I think (the deck was working, but, faintly clicking at about a 2 Hz rate). I had to replace this gear on a TD-1200II a long time ago and it was only available from Nak as the motor core assembly for $60+. Now you can't get it for any price and it's a common failure item. SJ --- winnie pooh wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > So you went for the BX-300 in the end? Good to see you here. As > Scoot says, > the idler tire is likely to need replacement as that was one of the > known > problems with the earlier BX and CR series models. > > I still remember finding out about this idler problem when I first > joined > naktalk about 5 years ago and Stephen Sank kindly gave me the > instructions > on how to change it on the RX-202. I think Scott's now got the > instructions > on his website? If not I still have a copy. > > Got a question for Tom - do you service Nakamichi car audio stuff > too? It's > getting difficult to find anyone who services the car audio stuff, > including > the classics like the TD-500/TD-700, MTD 1 and RD series, although > I > recently came across a French company that says they can do all the > > servicing even for TD series. Only snag is they're not cheap as > their repair > costs start from Euro 100 (US $130 or so) upwards EXCLUDING parts > costs, > which are likely to be even higher! Not to mention shipping to and > back from > them in France! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 15 01:16:53 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 00:16:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tires, MEK, 202's etc. In-Reply-To: <000601c65ffd$2b503840$0302a8c0@markantec> Message-ID: Indeed so, Mark, because I believe the exchange rate at the time was around $4 to £1, hence we used to call 5/- (5 shillings, which was 1/4 of £1) "a dollar". Mind you, £1 or even $1 now are worth a great deal less than they were then!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: 14 April 2006 20:54 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tires, MEK, 202's etc. Just today, on mainstream UK TV, they had a 1920’s HMV turntable on show. Virtually a piece of furniture, and being described in terms that made you think it might have been the Nak of its day. Smaller than the Victrola shown in the link. Was estimated to fetch c.100GBP, which makes for an interesting comparison with say $200 US indicated in the link as the original price. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Apr 15 01:30:20 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:30:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]nakamichi car stereo In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060414181715.0081e100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, It's me that asked about the Nak car audio repairs and not Paul. The MTD is Nak's Mobile Tuner Deck series, the MTD 1 in particular uses a single capstan autoreverse mechanism with adjustable azimuth and the crystalloy heads. I have 3 of them, two are working fine but one of them lights up, the tape transport moves and so does the tuner search BUT no sound at all! I also have the service manual with the schematics if that would help. Actually, the MTD 1 uses the same basic transport as the RD-701 which I also have. The RD-701 works BUT has a problem with the capstan motor which makes it run slightly faster and I still couldn't get the correct speed despite adjusting it. I think maybe the IC has gone? The TD-700 I have has a problem with the loading mechanism, also got some TD-500 for parts that Salim Marzuki sent me some time ago. By the way, you still with us, Salim? Oh, if you also repair the Nak CDC-101 CD changer series then I've got one with some kaput IC that could do with repairing - got the service manual for that too. The problem in Malaysia is finding the parts, as most of the IC's/chips are not available :-( So how should I go round getting the arrangements to send to you? I live in Malaysia so would have to use international airmail to send it to you, in terms of payment it would be so much easier if you accept PayPal, I am an international verified PayPal member. Thanks. Kelvin aka "Winnie Pooh" >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk]nakamichi car stereo >Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:17:15 -0500 > >Paul, > I can repair the car stereos. I do not recognize the MTD model, but have >the RD manuls. The RD shared mechanisms with Denon and Yamaha. The TD 700 >is a gem. Cosmetic items probably aren't available. My labor is typically >$75....but don't sent a TD1200 expecting that rate. >BTW the TD 1200 had the best tuner I ever heard in a car stereo. Imagine >that. I have a toasted TD 800 here that I'd love to repair, but it may be >hopeless. It was toasted when a Porsche lost its voltage regulator. The >owner revved the engine so high every lamp and stereo piece blew up! 45 >volts or better. > >tom brucker > >At 09:36 PM 4/14/06 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Hi Paul, > > > >So you went for the BX-300 in the end? Good to see you here. As Scoot >says, > >the idler tire is likely to need replacement as that was one of the known > >problems with the earlier BX and CR series models. > > > >I still remember finding out about this idler problem when I first joined > >naktalk about 5 years ago and Stephen Sank kindly gave me the >instructions > >on how to change it on the RX-202. I think Scott's now got the >instructions > >on his website? If not I still have a copy. > > > >Got a question for Tom - do you service Nakamichi car audio stuff too? >It's > >getting difficult to find anyone who services the car audio stuff, >including > >the classics like the TD-500/TD-700, MTD 1 and RD series, although I > >recently came across a French company that says they can do all the > >servicing even for TD series. Only snag is they're not cheap as their >repair > >costs start from Euro 100 (US $130 or so) upwards EXCLUDING parts costs, > >which are likely to be even higher! Not to mention shipping to and back >from > >them in France! > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Apr 15 03:36:30 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:36:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with eject on an LX-5 In-Reply-To: <20060414153214.35648.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060414153214.35648.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44404E1E.7010407@snet.net> Of course if you're less patient, use some 60 second epoxy to glue the linkage... just be sure to get the position right before it cures. BTW, Steve Sank actually made a point of telling me the job I did on my LX-3 was spot on ; ) Ed Scott Johnson wrote: >You MIGHT have the problem described in Nakamichi Service Information >OOD-SI-3115. It only lists 480 series and 580 series decks, but, I >thought most classis transport decks do eject with a wire linkage. >http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg1.gif >http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg2.gif > >Like someone else on the list said, the part for the repair is no >longer available. What I did with my 480Z is RTV'd (aka silicon >rubber sealant) the linkage wire holder to the eject linkage holder. >The position of the linkage must be adjusted before the stuff cured >because adjustment after the stuff sets is impossible without cuting >the RTV out. It looks ugly, but, hey it works and only takes a few >minutes to do (plus a couple days for the the curing process. > >SJ > >--- Frcohn at aol.com wrote: > > > >>I'm new to Naktalk, so I may be doubling up my efforts, since I've >>already >>posted to the message board. But here goes: >> >>Does anyone have any suggestions for a Nakamichi repair shop in New >>York >>City, preferably Manhattan? I just bought an LX-5 off of eBay, and >> >>unfortunately, the "Eject" button does not work. This seems to be a >>simple mechanical >>problem, but the cassette deck is unusable until it's fixed. >> >>If you've got suggestions, please email _FRCohn at aol.com_ >>(mailto:FRCohn at aol.com) . Thank you! >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sat Apr 15 03:40:37 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:40:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts tires etc In-Reply-To: <274.973bcb1.31713054@aol.com> References: <274.973bcb1.31713054@aol.com> Message-ID: <44404F15.7090402@snet.net> I've got some new issue classic transport belts. We should provide them with a belt and instruct to make an exact duplicate (especially in terms of thickness as that's what makes no other belt work). The other belts and idlers are not very critical at all, but capstan is another story. Ed N4229K at aol.com wrote: > Hi Everyone > I made a trip to PRB (now Russell industries) to see about Idlers for > the 1000 and 700 decks and also on some belts I needed. > The people there were very helpful this time as opposed to my last > visit and the place looked cleaner and more organized. Plus there was > free coffee and cookies! YUM. > > They told me they can make anything custom if they don't have it and I > put in a quote for a Nak idler tire for the 1000ZXL. They do have > some close matches but all my measurements were in MM and they use > inches (which is what I normally use) -- go figure. > Again I offer my services to any one who needs belts etc. a list is on > their website and I have forwarded to naktalk but I don't know if you > can receive images on a post. > > Bye all > > Dean > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Apr 15 04:45:01 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:45:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 idler replacement In-Reply-To: <365.261dea0.31719928@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Dean & everyone else, Sure, no problem. I have attached it but in case Wouter's still got the no attachment file thing for the server, I'll reproduce the text here. It makes for a long read/email so if this doesn't interest you, please delete accordingly. I had actually followed the instructions and it was quite easy to replace the idler when I still had my RX202 in the past. Sold it off when I had one too many Naks, but kept my RX505! Instructions are thanks to Stephen Sank: Kelvin. RX-202 Idler access instructions: Turn off deck. Remove the top cover. Pull "front porch" out gently to not quite all the way out. Pop "porch window" out by pushing slightly back & pulling up. Leaving the porch in the out position, observe that on either side of the cassette compartment is a black plastic post with a "claw" at the top. These clamp the cassette into place when loaded. The one on the right must be removed. The top of the claw post is held by a metal plate, which is affixed by two #1 Philips screws on the side of the transport chassis, behind the face plate. Remove these two screws, then pull it up off the claw post & wiggle it out of the mechanism. Pull the claw post up & pull the bottom end outwards, which will allow the tension spring at the top to release from the post's spring hook. Push the porch back in, then pull it out with enough velocity to cause the cassette holder to partially rotate. Then, manually rotate the cassette holder to about the halfway position. This will allow you to remove the two #1 Philips black-headed screws that hold the bottom corners of the cassette well back plate. BEFORE removing the plate, observe how the top edges fit into grooves in the two chrome guide pins, so that you know how it should be re-installed. To simply clean the idler (which can keep it going 6 months to a year at a time indefinitely), just close the door frame, turn on the unit & push fast forward. Then take a q-tip dampened with "head cleaning solution" from Radio Shack or a hifi store & hold it lightly against the lower left quadrant of the spinning tire, with just enough force to NOT stop the thing spinning. Slowly rotate the qtip as you go, noticing that the amount of force you can apply without stopping the tire is increasing. Clean until you need quite a bit of pressure to stop it, re-dampening the qtip if needed. Ideally, you should be able to stop the reel spinning with your fingers & have that stop the brass motor pulley too. To replace the idler tire, you need a little bit of dexterity in your fingers. In the center of the wheel, you'll see a tiny, clear plastic washer that holds the wheel to the shaft. Use a pair of fine blade wire cutters (actually, Revlon cuticle trimmers, which look just like wire cutters, are perfect choice) to grab one edge, gently, of the washer & pull it off the shaft. Be VERY careful not to loose it. Pull the wheel off the shaft, seeing that the little black slip washer under it stays behind (but it's not critical if that one gets lost). Pull the little tire out of the groove in the wheel & then stretch the new one on & into the groove, making sure it is settled in smoothly all the way round, above & below. Put the wheel back on the shaft. To put the retaining washer back on, you first need to give some support behind the wheel holder arm, lest it break off when the washer is pushed back on. Use a small screwdriver to act as a support behind the arm. Then, wet the tip of your finger to make the washer stick to it, then push the washer back onto the shaft until it pops into the shaft groove. This means letting the shaft dig into your finger tip a bit, but not enough to do any damage. As you are re-installing the back plate, be sure that the right claw post tension spring does not get trapped behind it, and then be sure to get the top retaining edges into the grooves in the chrome guide pins. To reinstall the claw post, hook the tension spring on to the post's spring hook, then set the bottom pin of the post into the hole in the slide chassis, positioning the post with the claw pointing straight out, as the other one is. While holding the post in place, maneuver the holder plate back into place & fit it's hole over the post pin, then reinstall the screws. Pop the porch window back in place & turn on the unit & test cassette loading & unloading. If you hit play & can hear the heads engage, the left side reel turns, but the right one doesn't or doesn't consistently, than yes, the idler needs either cleaning or replacement. My auction is not intended to sell any $0.15 idler tires, but to inform Nak owners that they don't have to pay $20 or more to that other ebay person selling them. If you wish, I'd be happy to pop one in the mail to you at no charge, since Dalbani & MCM Electronics have $20 minimum orders, and you may not have other things you want to order from them. Although I highly recommend checking out Dalbani's site, as I gave in my auction text. To get to the idler, you just have to do this: Open the tape door & pop off the major part of the door, which means just lift up about 1/4" & out. Get a #1 size philips screwdriver & remove the two black screws that are in the upper left & right corners of the inside of the tape cavity. These screws hold the back plate in place. Making note of how the bottom of this plate fits into a groove in the left & right chrome guide pins, tilt the top of the plate toward you, which may require pulling with a bent end of a paper clip or such, then lift it up & out of the deck. You will now see a small wheel with a rubber tire right between the two tape reel spinners. To simply clean the idler(which can keep it going 6 months to a year at a time indefinitely), just close the door frame, turn on the unit & push fast forward. Then take a q-tip dampened with "head cleaning solution" from Radio Shack or a hifi store & hold it lightly against the lower left quadrant of the spinning tire, with just enough force to NOT stop the thing spinning. Slowly rotate the qtip as you go, noticing that the amount of force you can apply without stopping the tire is increasing. Clean until you need quite a bit of pressure to stop it, re-dampening the qtip if needed. Ideally, you should be able to stop the reel spinning with your fingers & have that stop the brass motor pulley too. To replace the idler tire, you need a little bit of dexterity in your fingers. In the center of the wheel, you'll see a tiny, clear plastic washer that holds the wheel to the shaft. Use a pair of fine blade wire cutters(actually, Revlon cuticle trimmers, which look just like wire cutters, are perfect choice) to grab one edge, gently, of the washer & pull it off the shaft. Be VERY careful not to loose it. Pull the wheel off the shaft, seeing that the little black slip washer under it stays behind(but it's not critical if that one gets lost). Pull the little tire out of the groove in the wheel & then stretch the new one on & into the groove, making sure it is settled in smoothly all the way round, above & below. Put the wheel back on the shaft. To put the retaining washer back on, you first need to give some support behind the wheel holder arm, lest it break off when the washer is pushed back on. Use a small screwdrive to act as a support behind the arm. Then, wet the tip of your finger to make the washer stick to it, then push the washer back onto the shaft until it pops into the shaft groove. This means letting the shaft dig into your finger tip a bit, but not enough to do any damage. Re-install the back plate, bottom first, making sure to get the plate into the grooves of the guide pins at each side, then tilt it back into place. Re-install the screws, pop the door back on to the frame & you are done. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Apr 15 04:47:32 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:47:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <20060415003845.18722.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, I think it must be the same guy. Not many French guys with know how on repairing Naks, is there? >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 >Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:38:45 -0700 (PDT) > >I think I talked with a guy at that french company. If it's the same >place he bought a TD-1200/PA-300/SP-300 service manual from me. We >talked a little about the various problems the TD series of decks >commonly have and how parts to fix these decks are no longer >available. At the time he was looking for the little plastic gear on >the capstan motor that drives the hubs I think (the deck was working, >but, faintly clicking at about a 2 Hz rate). I had to replace this >gear on a TD-1200II a long time ago and it was only available from >Nak as the motor core assembly for $60+. Now you can't get it for >any price and it's a common failure item. > >SJ From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Apr 15 05:11:10 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:11:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted Message-ID: <20060415031110.GIHN12418.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few of you can be trusted. Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and lastly a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying need for a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of desirable decks with the ZX9 on its heals. Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original purchase. Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal will have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 12:30:38 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts tires etc In-Reply-To: <44404F15.7090402@snet.net> Message-ID: <20060415103038.38266.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah True - this is the most important belt - replacement will be welcome Kannan Edward Noyes wrote: I've got some new issue classic transport belts. We should provide them with a belt and instruct to make an exact duplicate (especially in terms of thickness as that's what makes no other belt work). The other belts and idlers are not very critical at all, but capstan is another story. Ed N4229K at aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone I made a trip to PRB (now Russell industries) to see about Idlers for the 1000 and 700 decks and also on some belts I needed. The people there were very helpful this time as opposed to my last visit and the place looked cleaner and more organized. Plus there was free coffee and cookies! YUM. They told me they can make anything custom if they don't have it and I put in a quote for a Nak idler tire for the 1000ZXL. They do have some close matches but all my measurements were in MM and they use inches (which is what I normally use) -- go figure. Again I offer my services to any one who needs belts etc. a list is on their website and I have forwarded to naktalk but I don't know if you can receive images on a post. 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Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Sat Apr 15 12:35:48 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:35:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 idler replacement Message-ID: <2e2.60ba72b.31722684@aol.com> Hey Kelvin: Those are absolutely great! I have some changes I'll prepare and repost. It also looks like MCM tires have almost tripled in price and the other $20 price has dropped to around $10. Is Stephen Sank still around? As I remember him from past when I ran into him about RTRs or NAKS? I'm also trying to post a picture another member sent on the porch window (by the way a great name for it) to see if Wouter allows pictures of a small size in his posts. I don't believe this will work but here goes. Regards to all, Dean In a message dated 4/15/2006 3:46:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, winniepoohlove at hotmail.com writes: RX-202 Idler access instructions: Turn off deck. Remove the top cover. Pull "front porch" out gently to not quite all the way out. Pop "porch window" out by pushing slightly back & pulling up. Leaving the porch in the out position, observe that on either side of the cassette compartment is a black plastic post with a "claw" at the top. These clamp the cassette into place when loaded. The one on the right must be removed. The top of the claw post is held by a metal plate, which is affixed by two #1 Philips screws on the side of the transport chassis, behind the face plate. Remove these two screws, then pull it up off the claw post & wiggle it out of the mechanism. Pull the claw post up & pull the bottom end outwards, which will allow the tension spring at the top to release from the post's spring hook. Push the porch back in, then pull it out with enough velocity to cause the cassette holder to partially rotate. Then, manually rotate the cassette holder to about the halfway position. This will allow you to remove the two #1 Philips black-headed screws that hold the bottom corners of the cassette well back plate. BEFORE removing the plate, observe how the top edges fit into grooves in the two chrome guide pins, so that you know how it should be re-installed. To simply clean the idler (which can keep it going 6 months to a year at a time indefinitely), just close the door frame, turn on the unit & push fast forward. Then take a q-tip dampened with "head cleaning solution" from Radio Shack or a hifi store & hold it lightly against the lower left quadrant of the spinning tire, with just enough force to NOT stop the thing spinning. Slowly rotate the qtip as you go, noticing that the amount of force you can apply without stopping the tire is increasing. Clean until you need quite a bit of pressure to stop it, re-dampening the qtip if needed. Ideally, you should be able to stop the reel spinning with your fingers & have that stop the brass motor pulley too. To replace the idler tire, you need a little bit of dexterity in your fingers. In the center of the wheel, you'll see a tiny, clear plastic washer that holds the wheel to the shaft. Use a pair of fine blade wire cutters (actually, Revlon cuticle trimmers, which look just like wire cutters, are perfect choice) to grab one edge, gently, of the washer & pull it off the shaft. Be VERY careful not to loose it. Pull the wheel off the shaft, seeing that the little black slip washer under it stays behind (but it's not critical if that one gets lost). Pull the little tire out of the groove in the wheel & then stretch the new one on & into the groove, making sure it is settled in smoothly all the way round, above & below. Put the wheel back on the shaft. To put the retaining washer back on, you first need to give some support behind the wheel holder arm, lest it break off when the washer is pushed back on. Use a small screwdriver to act as a support behind the arm. Then, wet the tip of your finger to make the washer stick to it, then push the washer back onto the shaft until it pops into the shaft groove. This means letting the shaft dig into your finger tip a bit, but not enough to do any damage. As you are re-installing the back plate, be sure that the right claw post tension spring does not get trapped behind it, and then be sure to get the top retaining edges into the grooves in the chrome guide pins. To reinstall the claw post, hook the tension spring on to the post's spring hook, then set the bottom pin of the post into the hole in the slide chassis, positioning the post with the claw pointing straight out, as the other one is. While holding the post in place, maneuver the holder plate back into place & fit it's hole over the post pin, then reinstall the screws. Pop the porch window back in place & turn on the unit & test cassette loading & unloading. If you hit play & can hear the heads engage, the left side reel turns, but the right one doesn't or doesn't consistently, than yes, the idler needs either cleaning or replacement. My auction is not intended to sell any $0.15 idler tires, but to inform Nak owners that they don't have to pay $20 or more to that other ebay person selling them. If you wish, I'd be happy to pop one in the mail to you at no charge, since Dalbani & MCM Electronics have $20 minimum orders, and you may not have other things you want to order from them. Although I highly recommend checking out Dalbani's site, as I gave in my auction text. To get to the idler, you just have to do this: Open the tape door & pop off the major part of the door, which means just lift up about 1/4" & out. Get a #1 size philips screwdriver & remove the two black screws that are in the upper left & right corners of the inside of the tape cavity. These screws hold the back plate in place. Making note of how the bottom of this plate fits into a groove in the left & right chrome guide pins, tilt the top of the plate toward you, which may require pulling with a bent end of a paper clip or such, then lift it up & out of the deck. You will now see a small wheel with a rubber tire right between the two tape reel spinners. To simply clean the idler(which can keep it going 6 months to a year at a time indefinitely), just close the door frame, turn on the unit & push fast forward. Then take a q-tip dampened with "head cleaning solution" from Radio Shack or a hifi store & hold it lightly against the lower left quadrant of the spinning tire, with just enough force to NOT stop the thing spinning. Slowly rotate the qtip as you go, noticing that the amount of force you can apply without stopping the tire is increasing. Clean until you need quite a bit of pressure to stop it, re-dampening the qtip if needed. Ideally, you should be able to stop the reel spinning with your fingers & have that stop the brass motor pulley too. To replace the idler tire, you need a little bit of dexterity in your fingers. In the center of the wheel, you'll see a tiny, clear plastic washer that holds the wheel to the shaft. Use a pair of fine blade wire cutters(actually, Revlon cuticle trimmers, which look just like wire cutters, are perfect choice) to grab one edge, gently, of the washer & pull it off the shaft. Be VERY careful not to loose it. Pull the wheel off the shaft, seeing that the little black slip washer under it stays behind(but it's not critical if that one gets lost). Pull the little tire out of the groove in the wheel & then stretch the new one on & into the groove, making sure it is settled in smoothly all the way round, above & below. Put the wheel back on the shaft. To put the retaining washer back on, you first need to give some support behind the wheel holder arm, lest it break off when the washer is pushed back on. Use a small screwdrive to act as a support behind the arm. Then, wet the tip of your finger to make the washer stick to it, then push the washer back onto the shaft until it pops into the shaft groove. This means letting the shaft dig into your finger tip a bit, but not enough to do any damage. Re-install the back plate, bottom first, making sure to get the plate into the grooves of the guide pins at each side, then tilt it back into place. Re-install the screws, pop the door back on to the frame & you are done. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 14:49:50 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 05:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts tires etc In-Reply-To: <2a9.26c3090.31722c9e@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060415124950.94177.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dean, I think we certainly need to give it that shot. Scott has put up a PRB number for each belt on his website. But I am not sure how exact those figures are. Scott can you explain? These classic transport belts are really critical. I have near exact belts, but its ever so slightly thicker and thats causing some problems. Bala 79Labs N4229K at aol.com wrote: If we can give them exact measurements in inches and mm I'll give it a shot. So lets first deal with Capstan belts for a few models we thinks are needed the most. What do you think? Dean In a message dated 4/15/2006 6:45:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: Edward Noyes wrote: I've got some new issue classic transport belts. We should provide them with a belt and instruct to make an exact duplicate (especially in terms of thickness as that's what makes no other belt work). The other belts and idlers are not very critical at all, but capstan is another story. Ed ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 15 14:07:58 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:07:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts tires etc In-Reply-To: <274.973bcb1.31713054@aol.com> References: <274.973bcb1.31713054@aol.com> Message-ID: <4440E21E.90509@rcn.com> Do they have the capstan belt for the CR-7? -- Ron N4229K at aol.com wrote: > Hi Everyone > I made a trip to PRB (now Russell industries) to see about Idlers for > the 1000 and 700 decks and also on some belts I needed. > The people there were very helpful this time as opposed to my last visit > and the place looked cleaner and more organized. Plus there was free > coffee and cookies! YUM. > > They told me they can make anything custom if they don't have it and I > put in a quote for a Nak idler tire for the 1000ZXL. They do have some > close matches but all my measurements were in MM and they use inches > (which is what I normally use) -- go figure. > Again I offer my services to any one who needs belts etc. a list is on > their website and I have forwarded to naktalk but I don't know if you > can receive images on a post. > > Bye all > > Dean From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 17:28:01 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with eject on an LX-5 In-Reply-To: <44404E1E.7010407@snet.net> Message-ID: <20060415152801.19435.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought about using epoxy, but, have had problems with it sticking to plastics such as the one the linkage wire holder is made out of. Have you actually tried epoxy on this plastic? It might work fine. I don't know. I used RTV because I knew it would stick to just about anything and could be cut away if I needed to change the alignment in the future. SJ --- Edward Noyes wrote: > Of course if you're less patient, use some 60 second epoxy to glue > the > linkage... just be sure to get the position right before it cures. > BTW, > Steve Sank actually made a point of telling me the job I did on my > LX-3 > was spot on ; ) > > Ed > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > >You MIGHT have the problem described in Nakamichi Service > Information > >OOD-SI-3115. It only lists 480 series and 580 series decks, but, > I > >thought most classis transport decks do eject with a wire linkage. > >http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg1.gif > >http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg2.gif > > > >Like someone else on the list said, the part for the repair is no > >longer available. What I did with my 480Z is RTV'd (aka silicon > >rubber sealant) the linkage wire holder to the eject linkage > holder. > >The position of the linkage must be adjusted before the stuff > cured > >because adjustment after the stuff sets is impossible without > cuting > >the RTV out. It looks ugly, but, hey it works and only takes a > few > >minutes to do (plus a couple days for the the curing process. > > > >SJ > > > >--- Frcohn at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > >>I'm new to Naktalk, so I may be doubling up my efforts, since > I've > >>already > >>posted to the message board. But here goes: > >> > >>Does anyone have any suggestions for a Nakamichi repair shop in > New > >>York > >>City, preferably Manhattan? I just bought an LX-5 off of eBay, > and > >> > >>unfortunately, the "Eject" button does not work. This seems to be > a > >>simple mechanical > >>problem, but the cassette deck is unusable until it's fixed. > >> > >>If you've got suggestions, please email _FRCohn at aol.com_ > >>(mailto:FRCohn at aol.com) . Thank you! > >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 17:46:48 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with eject on an LX-5 In-Reply-To: <20060415152801.19435.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060415154648.66642.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've thought about using epoxy on such situations. But RTV is pliable and allows us to 'undo' in case anything goes wrong. Another thing I am worried about is the fumes some type of epoxy gives. Why don;t you try Loctite 495? Bala 79Labs Scott Johnson wrote: I thought about using epoxy, but, have had problems with it sticking to plastics such as the one the linkage wire holder is made out of. Have you actually tried epoxy on this plastic? It might work fine. I don't know. I used RTV because I knew it would stick to just about anything and could be cut away if I needed to change the alignment in the future. SJ --- Edward Noyes wrote: > Of course if you're less patient, use some 60 second epoxy to glue > the > linkage... just be sure to get the position right before it cures. > BTW, > Steve Sank actually made a point of telling me the job I did on my > LX-3 > was spot on ; ) > > Ed > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > >You MIGHT have the problem described in Nakamichi Service > Information > >OOD-SI-3115. It only lists 480 series and 580 series decks, but, > I > >thought most classis transport decks do eject with a wire linkage. > >http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg1.gif > >http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg2.gif > > > >Like someone else on the list said, the part for the repair is no > >longer available. What I did with my 480Z is RTV'd (aka silicon > >rubber sealant) the linkage wire holder to the eject linkage > holder. > >The position of the linkage must be adjusted before the stuff > cured > >because adjustment after the stuff sets is impossible without > cuting > >the RTV out. It looks ugly, but, hey it works and only takes a > few > >minutes to do (plus a couple days for the the curing process. > > > >SJ > > > >--- Frcohn at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > >>I'm new to Naktalk, so I may be doubling up my efforts, since > I've > >>already > >>posted to the message board. But here goes: > >> > >>Does anyone have any suggestions for a Nakamichi repair shop in > New > >>York > >>City, preferably Manhattan? I just bought an LX-5 off of eBay, > and > >> > >>unfortunately, the "Eject" button does not work. This seems to be > a > >>simple mechanical > >>problem, but the cassette deck is unusable until it's fixed. > >> > >>If you've got suggestions, please email _FRCohn at aol.com_ > >>(mailto:FRCohn at aol.com) . Thank you! > >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 18:02:41 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with eject on an LX-5 In-Reply-To: <20060415154648.66642.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060415160241.99340.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Why don;t you try Loctite 495? In other words Super Glue! (cyanoacrylate). Yeah, I don't think so. Maybe if I needed the deck working in 60 seconds. Epoxy if I needed it in 5 minutes, but, I could wait the 1-2 days for RTV. Actually Super Glue might work to repair the original problem, the broken top of the linkage holder. It would be worth a shot, but, that plastic gets brittle with age. It will probably break somewhere else. SJ --- Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > I've thought about using epoxy on such situations. But RTV is > pliable and allows us to 'undo' in case anything goes wrong. > Another thing I am worried about is the fumes some type of epoxy > gives. > > Why don;t you try Loctite 495? > > Bala > 79Labs > > Scott Johnson wrote: > I thought about using epoxy, but, have had problems with it > sticking > to plastics such as the one the linkage wire holder is made out of. > > Have you actually tried epoxy on this plastic? It might work fine. > I don't know. I used RTV because I knew it would stick to just > about > anything and could be cut away if I needed to change the alignment > in > the future. > > SJ > > --- Edward Noyes wrote: > > > Of course if you're less patient, use some 60 second epoxy to > glue > > the > > linkage... just be sure to get the position right before it > cures. > > BTW, > > Steve Sank actually made a point of telling me the job I did on > my > > LX-3 > > was spot on ; ) > > > > Ed > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > >You MIGHT have the problem described in Nakamichi Service > > Information > > >OOD-SI-3115. It only lists 480 series and 580 series decks, but, > > I > > >thought most classis transport decks do eject with a wire > linkage. > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg1.gif > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg2.gif > > > > > >Like someone else on the list said, the part for the repair is > no > > >longer available. What I did with my 480Z is RTV'd (aka silicon > > >rubber sealant) the linkage wire holder to the eject linkage > > holder. > > >The position of the linkage must be adjusted before the stuff > > cured > > >because adjustment after the stuff sets is impossible without > > cuting > > >the RTV out. It looks ugly, but, hey it works and only takes a > > few > > >minutes to do (plus a couple days for the the curing process. > > > > > >SJ > > > > > >--- Frcohn at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>I'm new to Naktalk, so I may be doubling up my efforts, since > > I've > > >>already > > >>posted to the message board. But here goes: > > >> > > >>Does anyone have any suggestions for a Nakamichi repair shop in > > New > > >>York > > >>City, preferably Manhattan? I just bought an LX-5 off of eBay, > > and > > >> > > >>unfortunately, the "Eject" button does not work. This seems to > be > > a > > >>simple mechanical > > >>problem, but the cassette deck is unusable until it's fixed. > > >> > > >>If you've got suggestions, please email _FRCohn at aol.com_ > > >>(mailto:FRCohn at aol.com) . Thank you! > > >> > > >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>Maintain your account here: > > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 19:05:29 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with eject on an LX-5 In-Reply-To: <20060415160241.99340.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060415170529.85134.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For such a case, RTV is the best way to go because it spreads the load over the entire area. Its messy and looks very DIY, but its effective. I use it when building shortwave antennaes to cover the circuits on the anntennae pole itself. DIY bonding and weatherproofing! Bala 79Labs Scott Johnson wrote: > Why don;t you try Loctite 495? In other words Super Glue! (cyanoacrylate). Yeah, I don't think so. Maybe if I needed the deck working in 60 seconds. Epoxy if I needed it in 5 minutes, but, I could wait the 1-2 days for RTV. Actually Super Glue might work to repair the original problem, the broken top of the linkage holder. It would be worth a shot, but, that plastic gets brittle with age. It will probably break somewhere else. SJ --- Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > I've thought about using epoxy on such situations. But RTV is > pliable and allows us to 'undo' in case anything goes wrong. > Another thing I am worried about is the fumes some type of epoxy > gives. > > Why don;t you try Loctite 495? > > Bala > 79Labs > > Scott Johnson wrote: > I thought about using epoxy, but, have had problems with it > sticking > to plastics such as the one the linkage wire holder is made out of. > > Have you actually tried epoxy on this plastic? It might work fine. > I don't know. I used RTV because I knew it would stick to just > about > anything and could be cut away if I needed to change the alignment > in > the future. > > SJ > > --- Edward Noyes wrote: > > > Of course if you're less patient, use some 60 second epoxy to > glue > > the > > linkage... just be sure to get the position right before it > cures. > > BTW, > > Steve Sank actually made a point of telling me the job I did on > my > > LX-3 > > was spot on ; ) > > > > Ed > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > >You MIGHT have the problem described in Nakamichi Service > > Information > > >OOD-SI-3115. It only lists 480 series and 580 series decks, but, > > I > > >thought most classis transport decks do eject with a wire > linkage. > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg1.gif > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/images/OOD-SI-3115_SM_Pg2.gif > > > > > >Like someone else on the list said, the part for the repair is > no > > >longer available. What I did with my 480Z is RTV'd (aka silicon > > >rubber sealant) the linkage wire holder to the eject linkage > > holder. > > >The position of the linkage must be adjusted before the stuff > > cured > > >because adjustment after the stuff sets is impossible without > > cuting > > >the RTV out. It looks ugly, but, hey it works and only takes a > > few > > >minutes to do (plus a couple days for the the curing process. > > > > > >SJ > > > > > >--- Frcohn at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>I'm new to Naktalk, so I may be doubling up my efforts, since > > I've > > >>already > > >>posted to the message board. But here goes: > > >> > > >>Does anyone have any suggestions for a Nakamichi repair shop in > > New > > >>York > > >>City, preferably Manhattan? I just bought an LX-5 off of eBay, > > and > > >> > > >>unfortunately, the "Eject" button does not work. This seems to > be > > a > > >>simple mechanical > > >>problem, but the cassette deck is unusable until it's fixed. > > >> > > >>If you've got suggestions, please email _FRCohn at aol.com_ > > >>(mailto:FRCohn at aol.com) . Thank you! > > >> > > >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>Maintain your account here: > > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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I think it's even been banned here in the USA, but not positive on that. Also, Carbon Tet should not be used, it's even worse, if you can even find it anymore. Cheers, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job MEK... don't use it, very, very voltile and health dangerous stuff. Although acetone is actually MORE volatile than MEK :-). Chemically, acetone and MEK are quite similar; MEK being a higher molecular weight (and otherwise similar) is less volatile (i.e. doesn't evaporate as fast)--which can be good or bad depending on how long you want it to stick around where you put it. It probably tends to have slightly greater solvating power for "greasy" kinds of things as well, although that's more of an off-the-cuff kind of thought than an experiential one. They're probably quite similar on "watery" kinds of things. Health-wise, acetone is actually a by-product (in small amounts) of normal metabolic processes, so it is probably "safer" at least in limited quantities (and since it doesn't stick around as much, see above, tends to stay within those limited quanties.-kby From umeshchandran at bluebottle.com Sat Apr 15 20:37:06 2006 From: umeshchandran at bluebottle.com (umeshchandran) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 00:07:06 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Dargon Capstan Motor Message-ID: <200604151737.k3FHb8hG029154@fe4.bluebottle.com> Hello Mr Tom, Thank you very much for your apt response. The Voltage readings at CN 505 are as follows. Pin 1= 12.20V, Pin 2= GND, Pin 3= -11.90V, Pin 4= 0.05V in forward play mode and 10.23 V in Reverse play mode. It is not is NOT= 5V. But it is toggling. Pin 5= 0V. Thankfully, Umesh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 15 20:52:07 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:52:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444140D7.8020606@woods-and-waters.com> Gra' Nelson wrote: > In that case, from here on, Kermit, you will ALSO be known as "Wallace" .... I'm absolutely crying from laughing so hard! Should have seen that one coming from miles away! Hilarious! > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 12 April 2006 22:36 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: timbarrett at cox.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Most wanted parts > > > Hi Tom, > > Hi Tech wrote: > > >>550 grommets are the one piece that I haven't found a cure for. > > > Tell me about the 550 grommet problem. I've not encountered it, but > years ago I did some work in the aviation industry that involved > grommets used under very adverse conditions. So, I'd be interested in > trying to solve the Nak 550 grommet problem. Grommets and I are good > friends. > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 15 21:04:36 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:04:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <20060413083204.89117.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060413083204.89117.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444143C4.30402@woods-and-waters.com> Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I think the important thing is getting the maximum signal off the tape. > In an earlier post, I had talked about reproduction. I mean, there isn't > much blank tape left and the recording isn't going to be used as much. > But we have many many recorded tapes that need to have information > retrieved. Thats the key thing. That's the point of the cassette deck's design. > Can we have a cassette clamp system similiar to the ones Aiwa did? Would > really help dampen shell resonance. Great idea! Yes! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 15 21:03:33 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:03:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <20060413082213.21227.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060413082213.21227.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44414385.10102@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hmm...sigh. > > Is there anything left to be said Made in USA? > Sure, my gear is and always will be. I promised Karin I wouldn't send any manufacturing overseas. Besides, except for my 77D, all my designs need to be hand-tweaked during construction before they'll work correctly. You have to know how they are supposed to sound, merely achieving benchmark measurements won't suffice. No idea how to instruct another company on how to manufacture my designs. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 15 21:22:12 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:22:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <443FF8A1.8080906@caribsurf.com> References: <20060414192457.26932.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <443FF8A1.8080906@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <444147E4.5070003@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Paul, Paul Carrington wrote: > > sent to your mailbox unless you specifically want one to be ....... > there are a number of groups that use Yahoo Oh please, let's not move the group to Yahoo. If thje emails really are such a problem (they're not for me -- and I'm on dialup!) then I'll put up a bulletin-board application on my web site for the group. Yahoo groups truly a hassle -- the constant log-in and registration hassles, the banner ads, and the overall feel is awful. I avoid Yahoo groups whenever possible! In fact, I haven't joined a Yahoo group for the last two years and really do not ever want to join one ever again. Sorry to be so adamant. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 15 21:51:32 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:51:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <443E6C46.6090801@yahoo.ca> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060413110118.01b0d3d0@psulias.psu.edu> <443E6C46.6090801@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <44414EC4.30307@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Antoine, Derrick, Alex, Ken, Marc, Doane, Ron, and all others who've suggested that Dolby would be a good, even mandatory, feature for a cassette deck. Antoine Deschênes wrote: > All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? Licenses! > (Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big companies. I > don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses to Kermit's KVG Labs. Antoine, you're the smartest guy here. When I spoke to Dolby this past Thursday they informed me that they are not granting new licenses, nor accepting new licensees for B, C, and S implemetations except for play-only circuits in car stereo applications. In fact, the person I spoke to told me bluntly that I was stupid to contemplate manufacturing a new high-end cassette deck and that the product would fail. He rather snidely remarked that the "established" high end companies like Nakamichi, Revox and others had long since "wised up" and quit making cassette decks. No one wants cassettes except for spoken word, and even that market is dying, he added. Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little value because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" for consumers. So, no one wants cassettes except for old people and a "kook fringe of digiphobes, like those suckers who still buy LPs." The person also stated that the "tech savvy" youth consumer market especially doesn't want cassettes. Antoine, you're a "tech savvy youth consumer," so what do you think? I will speak to Dolby again in a week or so, and definitely will be sure to talk to someone else at the company, but it looks like the cassette deck will have to use the outboard Dolby 422 processor. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 15 21:55:14 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:55:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Most wanted parts In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060413091240.0081bda0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060412155340.0081bbb0@earthlink.net> <21046.212.78.164.66.1144840004.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <21046.212.78.164.66.1144840004.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <3.0.3.32.20060412155340.0081bbb0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060413091240.0081bda0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44414FA2.1000200@woods-and-waters.com> Tom, Never thought of those as grommets. Yes, all mine are split on both my 550s. Send me a sample and I'll cast a mold of it and get bids for having some made. Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > Nakamichi used black nylon to trim the 550 case screws, I think there were > 16 or 18 on each deck. The grommet was a raised shoulder type similar to > the rack mount panel trim washer. 100% of these split at least once. If the > split twice, they cannot be used. I can send a sample. I don't know how > many would care, but it would be a nice addition to any restoration process. > tom > > > At 04:36 PM 4/12/06 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hi Tom, >> >>Hi Tech wrote: >> >> >>>550 grommets are the one piece that I haven't found a cure for. >> >>Tell me about the 550 grommet problem. I've not encountered it, but >>years ago I did some work in the aviation industry that involved >>grommets used under very adverse conditions. So, I'd be interested in >>trying to solve the Nak 550 grommet problem. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 15 21:57:51 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:57:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060413092117.0081d910@earthlink.net> References: <443D5700.9000005@woods-and-waters.com> <3.0.3.32.20060413092117.0081d910@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4441503F.20808@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > On the meter issues, I would use 2 sets of meters. The alignment functions > could use the meters, but could also have separate displays. I'll consider that. Good idea! > Back lit control are nice. Actually, I have already decided to try that, if nothing else because it lets the deck work easily in dim lighting. Alternatively, the deck may have a set of panel side lights to gently light up the entire control panel. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 15 22:05:24 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:05:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44415204.5060600@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Wow!... how much do you suppose this is going to sell for? You don't have > the overhead that a big company has, but considering a non automated, non > assembly line, hand made product of any kind, it's going to be terribly > expensive. Oh well, maybe I'll at least have the pleasure of hearing it some > day, even if I can't afford to buy one! I'm makin gi tmodular so that it can be kept as affordable as possible. My guess is that it will be in the $1,000 to $1,500 range, depending on the options the customer desires. I'm planning to construct only 500 of the recorders, but this may increase if demand continues. Altough, I can always make one or two whenever an order wanders in over the years. > I wouldn't short change manufacturing quality in foreign countries too much, > it's basically, almost everything is being made in China these days, and the > quality can be excellent. Other countries, like Korea, Viet Nam, etc., also > make most of the products in the world today. Automation doesn't necessarily > mean inferior quality, design and parts quality dictates that end. I agree. My Japanese made cameras are excellent, as an example, as is my Hitachi television and my Sony DVD recorder. > But in your case, Kermit, you sound like an artist of electronics. Like a > fine artist, if you were going to have prints done of a beautiful drawing > you had done, you would probably take the real art route, do your drawing as > a real lithograph or etching, etc., take it to a fine arts print shop and > work with them to hand pull the finished limited edition prints.. you > wouldn't take a pencil drawing to a fast copy printer and have them make > hundreds of cheap photo lithographs and then miss represent them by signing > them and numbering them. YES! Someone finally understands what I'm all about! You made my day! Well said, I may steal your message and use it in ads. > So I think I concern and desire to hand build each > one of your new "fine arts" cassette decks.. like Nakamichi did with their > 1000ZXL Limited Edition, you should definitely sign and number each one... I > don't think you need to gold plate the faces though. :~) I would hope you > have the artistic design skills to also make them beautiful to look at, as > well as beautiful to listen to. Again, you're right on the beam. I was joking about the tan wrinkle finish. It's an inside joke -- my 1970s pro equipment was finished that way because my company was called The Amplification Nation (T.A.N.). I'm working with an artist on the deck's aesthetics. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 15 22:07:22 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:07:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060413092420.00822760@earthlink.net> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060412161532.0407b578@psulias.psu.edu> <443D5700.9000005@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060412161532.0407b578@psulias.psu.edu> <3.0.3.32.20060413092420.00822760@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4441527A.904@woods-and-waters.com> Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > I thought about the sync issue, but I think power point has done ayay with > the need for sync. I can't imagine why anyone would want timecode on a > cassette? Only very specalized professional applications exist for a synchronizable recorder. An audiophile will never need it. > The crosstalk problem is the real limit in 4 track cassette > recording...the pole pieces simply cannot be isolated well enough. New metallurgy solves this to some extent. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 15 22:11:57 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:11:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's cassette deck In-Reply-To: <443E6AE7.501@sbcglobal.net> References: <443E6AE7.501@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4441538D.8070109@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ken, Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > I also would like to see a tube hybrid output stage and maybe > a tube hybrid record section too, as an option. The audio electronics are all tube, except for the Dolby processings, if I am able to implement Dolby. Most persons are unaware that tube equipment is capable of extremely low distortion, even lower than many discrete solid state preamps. Some of the lowest distortion preamps ever made were, and are, all-tube circuitry. > I would suggest using an external Dolby decoder. A > DBX pro unit could be used as well. I may have to use an external Dolby decoder, the 422. > Are you going to use a pad lifter?? Hadn't thought of it. I'll see if it's easily implemented. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 15 22:13:44 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:13:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444153F8.20509@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > One final point though... if you record with your non Dolby system, you are > no longer compatible with other cassette decks, which was a concern you > brought up earlier, in another thread here. My system is not incompatible with non-Dolby cassettes. Cool. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 15 22:21:39 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:21:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <372.171fb2c.316b9e86@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Dean, you are being a big help to this club! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of N4229K at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:42 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: Idler re-tire job Hey I'm glad the experts approve of my tires. I list both on ebay and glad to help anyone that needs them. I hope to have a written illustrated procedure soon for both tires. Dean Wouter I hope you had as much satisfaction when you finished this job as I did the week before. I bought a tire from a member of this list who advised me that, due to the compound used on this new tire, the hub did not need to be removed because the new tire could be stretched to fit the hub. True, as I discovered. You are right - it's hard to make the new tire sit on the rim properly. With the hub properly supported (using a toothpick in my case) I rotated the hub a little at a time and after twisting each small section of the tire, I pressed it gently against the edge of the left-hand hub table to make it sit on the rim. It's easier than it sounds... The killer question: would I do it again? Yes, tomorrow if I had to - though I hope I don't have to... Chris From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 15 22:37:41 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:37:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <444153F8.20509@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: That's good to hear.. will they sound as good on another deck, without dolby, as a Doly C tape sounds played back on thier deck with Dolby? Are the benefits of your process portable like that, or will it sound like a cassette playing with out Dolby, having less dynamic range, more noise, etc.? And my other concern, that I already mentioned, was your deck's ability to play back Dolby recorded cassettes as well as a Dolby equiped deck can, or did you decide that your are going to include some form of Dolby processing after all, that one can switch out of the circuit when using your system? Doane --------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 1:14 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > One final point though... if you record with your non Dolby system, you are > no longer compatible with other cassette decks, which was a concern you > brought up earlier, in another thread here. My system is not incompatible with non-Dolby cassettes. Cool. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Apr 16 00:16:09 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 00:16:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 idler replacement In-Reply-To: <2e2.60ba72b.31722684@aol.com> References: <2e2.60ba72b.31722684@aol.com> Message-ID: <444170A9.3060002@xs4all.nl> Pictures and such are allowed only at small sizes. Imagine sending many megabytes to about 700 subscribers (thats the count these days) and many of us have a limit on their mailbox size! If you have something there's other ways to show it, like place a link or make the image smaller in size or send it to me for inclusion... But look at one of Bala's last posts where he showed off his 1000ZXL, that worked fine! > I'm also trying to post a picture another member sent on the porch > window (by the way a great name for it) to see if Wouter allows > pictures of a small size in his posts. I don't believe this will work > but here goes. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Apr 16 04:44:55 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted In-Reply-To: <20060415031110.GIHN12418.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Message-ID: <20060416024455.86682.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a Dragon - needs a little work - mainly Cam mode / and another belt change, Plus final alignment and checking - going to ebay very soon ( may be within two months). It is in great shape compared to many dragons that I had seen. I want you to let me know your ball park figure for your purchase and waht is that you are looking for. If I were to look for a Dragon - I will not bother about exzpensive Remote ( you can rig up your own than wired remote costing couple of hundreds) but some thing seriuosly looked in to alignment and functions Plus new belts. This Deck has all these. Let me know what do you want it for? Kannan rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few of you can be trusted. Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and lastly a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying need for a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of desirable decks with the ZX9 on its heals. Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original purchase. Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal will have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Apr 16 00:48:04 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:48:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <44414EC4.30307@woods-and-waters.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060413110118.01b0d3d0@psulias.psu.edu> <443E6C46.6090801@yahoo.ca> <44414EC4.30307@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <44417824.7010308@yahoo.ca> All-tube, analog VUs($20-30 each?), this thing will cost a LOT of $$$ !!! I hope you're not going to put NOS Mullards in there! Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hey Antoine, Derrick, Alex, Ken, Marc, Doane, Ron, and all others > who've suggested that Dolby would be a good, even mandatory, feature > for a cassette deck. > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? Licenses! >> (Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big >> companies. I don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses >> to Kermit's KVG Labs. > > Antoine, you're the smartest guy here. When I spoke to Dolby this past > Thursday they informed me that they are not granting new licenses, nor > accepting new licensees for B, C, and S implemetations except for > play-only circuits in car stereo applications. Where are Pioneer and JVC getting their license? Do they keep the same old ones? Dolby would be used for playback of old tapes. You could put only play-only circuits in the deck. Why have the recording circuits if it wouldn't need it? Any players can play Dolby-free. It's a car stereo tape player going in the back of the car. ;-) The only problem would be to get good Dolby ICs ... Better keep things simple ; An external module. > > In fact, the person I spoke to told me bluntly that I was stupid to > contemplate manufacturing a new high-end cassette deck and that the > product would fail. The guy probably haven't noticed it's not for mass-market. > He rather snidely remarked that the "established" high end companies > like Nakamichi, Revox and others had long since "wised up" and quit > making cassette decks. No one wants cassettes except for spoken word, > and even that market is dying, he added. Sure! Any average Joe thinks that cassettes are bad sounding, because marketing from big companies too care of this. > Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little value > because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and > computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia > solution" for consumers. So, no one wants cassettes except for old > people and a "kook fringe of digiphobes, like those suckers who still > buy LPs." Tell him that there are still some bands that produce LPs! Dolby would be losing money if people would return to analog, because they have lots of digital (Or non-analog if you prefer) technology. > The person also stated that the "tech savvy" youth consumer market > especially doesn't want cassettes. > > Antoine, you're a "tech savvy youth consumer," so what do you think? That I'm the only "crazy one" that would want one. Most people say that they can't make a difference between an MP3 and a CD. The only thing they matter about is convenience : CD is obsolete now. Their gods are portable MP3 players... What someone would have to do would be to make cassette more present in the recording industry. It's almost the only solution I can think of to still be able to get blank cassettes in a few years. Why can we still buy reel tapes? Because it's still used for recording. > I will speak to Dolby again in a week or so, and definitely will be > sure to talk to someone else at the company, You might fall on an other marketing brain-washed MP3 player dependent guy. > but it looks like the cassette deck will have to use the outboard > Dolby 422 processor. From flifton at mac.com Sun Apr 16 01:54:55 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:54:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <200604152215.k3FMFAhB026967@zxe.naks.com> References: <200604152215.k3FMFAhB026967@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <466A9D11-D308-437B-A0F5-48F55B024D96@mac.com> This ridiculous buzzword--"convergence"-- has been wallowing about in electronics marketing speak for the last several years. Every year at CES (the huge consumer electronics show in Vegas) a bunch of companies trot out their latest cell-phone-refrigerator-CDRW-internet appliance and every year the consumers hold their noses and stay away in hordes. That guy at Dolby is a moron, he's obviously drunk too much of the 9.1 Digital Surround kool-aid. In 3-5 years, when all these newly burned CDR's flake out, we'll still be enjoying our elegant sounding cassettes in all their 2 channel splendor. Music is, first and foremost, made by humans and I think there will always be at least some humans who aren't willing to give all music-making over to the computers. Come to think of it, I bet that Dolby rep was a computer. cheers, F On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:15 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little > value because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision > and computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient > "multimedia solution" for consumers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Apr 16 04:56:17 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:56:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job Message-ID: <0121ED12-4255-49F6-B224-5A0B20069A21@alumni.caltech.edu> There's no issue with getting MEK; I'm pretty sure it's at the Home Despot (Home Depot is a do-it-yourself home repair/remodel warehouse kind of megastore for those not in the US). Carbon tetrachloride is pretty hard to get except from a chemical supply house, as there's less use for it (tetrachloroethylene is pretty good substitute in terms of cleaning, but it is also pretty rough on the skin. Carbon tet caused liver damage and is also really bad environmentally (ozone depletion). Dichloromethane aka methylene chloride may still be in some mixtures of things, but no one probably wants to use that as it would probably damage almost anything in a a Nak it touched except the metal. Tetrahydrofuran is also a good solvent, but it is also pretty hard on any plasticizers or plastic parts. It has a bad rap because it's generally not used in anything outside a lab except...uh..."recreational" chemistry.-kby From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sun Apr 16 05:25:56 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:25:56 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] MEK...again!!! Message-ID: <001201c66105$79c62f80$0201a8c0@lan> Awe, c'mon people.. to quote;... "The health rist is the biggest drawback of MEK when compared to to Acetone. I think it's even been banned here in the USA, but not positive on that. Also, Carbon Tet should not be used, it's even worse, if you can even find it anymore." "MEK... don't use it, very, very voltile and health dangerous stuff" The above statements are misleading. We had a 'big' discussion about this at length 3 -4 months back, which put comments like those above in their place, and I would refer interested parties back to that thread for the correct information. MEK is a solvent with associated hazards, but like a lot of things in every day use.. treated with respect and the appropriate handling no more dangerous that a correctly used kitchen knife. For our use in Tape deck maintenance, the quantities we use to moisten a cotton bud/Q tip are hardly worth kitting up in a "Noddy" suit.. ( = NBC suit for our American friends).. just use with good ventilation and/or a good organic vapour respirator ( not those 'snoopy' masks sold at DIY stores, which are generally only good for dusts). MEK is still one of the most effective agents for cleaning rubber, and synthetic rubber if used with care, that is relatvely easily obtainable. Anyone that has used a contact cement such as EVOstik, ADOS F2, etc, will have been exposed to MEK in a far greater concentration that we would use for tape deck cleaning.. and was probably not wearing safety protection! There are plenty of excellent resources available through the Internet, such as the EPA, OSHA, or National poisons centre in the US, where the up to date information is freely available for people to peruse. I use resouces such as the EPA myself as an every tool in my job when I encounter a chemical that I now very little about, and often refer customers that way to avoid misunderstanding (people can be 'deaf' but are generally not 'blind").. I never listen to urban legend.. though often interesting.. such as the car mounted RATO legend in the US....it is usually SO wrong... The link to the EPA information on MEK is included below: http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/methylet.html Read the information on Health hazards associated with MEK and make up your own mind. Rgds, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Apr 16 06:42:46 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 0:42:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted Message-ID: <20060416044246.VZPC14554.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Sorry, it must not need any work and be ready to go. > > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > Date: 2006/04/15 Sat PM 10:44:55 EDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > > I have a Dragon - needs a little work - mainly Cam mode / and another belt change, Plus final alignment and checking - going to ebay very soon ( may be within two months). It is in great shape compared to many dragons that I had seen. I want you to let me know your ball park figure for your purchase and waht is that you are looking for. > If I were to look for a Dragon - I will not bother about exzpensive Remote ( you can rig up your own than wired remote costing couple of hundreds) but some thing seriuosly looked in to alignment and functions Plus new belts. This Deck has all these. Let me know what do you want it for? > Kannan > > > > rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few of you can be trusted. > > Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and lastly a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. > > I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying need for a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of desirable decks with the ZX9 on its heals. > > Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original purchase. > > Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal will have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 16 06:48:05 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 04:48:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: Shalom Kermit! You suggest...>Alternatively, >the deck may have a set of panel side lights to gently light up the entire >control panel. My McIntosh MR-78 Tuner, from 1974 use this way to illuminate all the Dial scale & suffices me...with a "Dimmer" switch (Since 1974 at "Low" position)...till today all the bulbs are working!!! Easy a cheaper way I think? Be well! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:57:51 -0500 > >Hi Tom, > >Hi Tech wrote: >>On the meter issues, I would use 2 sets of meters. The alignment functions >>could use the meters, but could also have separate displays. > >I'll consider that. Good idea! > >>Back lit control are nice. > >Actually, I have already decided to try that, if nothing else because it >lets the deck work easily in dim lighting. Alternatively, the deck may have >a set of panel side lights to gently light up the entire control panel. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From N4229K at aol.com Sun Apr 16 13:41:04 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:41:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 idler replacement Message-ID: <3b9.2bbb32.31738750@aol.com> Thanks Wouter I understand. Dean PS wow 700 - some of us were wondering about that. In a message dated 4/15/2006 6:26:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wheijke at xs4all.nl writes: Pictures and such are allowed only at small sizes. Imagine sending many megabytes to about 700 subscribers (thats the count these days) and many of us have a limit on their mailbox size! If you have something there's other ways to show it, like place a link or make the image smaller in size or send it to me for inclusion... But look at one of Bala's last posts where he showed off his 1000ZXL, that worked fine! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Apr 16 14:21:25 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 05:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MEK...again!!! In-Reply-To: <001201c66105$79c62f80$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20060416122125.75483.qmail@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes Martin I am with you on this. I expect the Nak user to be an adult. I expect him using caution. I have used MEK in small quantities without any problem - only for Pinch rollar cleaning onec or twice in a year. But keep the stuff bottled up carefully so that no kids can reach them. That is it. Kannan Martin Short wrote: Awe, c'mon people.. to quote;... "The health rist is the biggest drawback of MEK when compared to to Acetone. I think it's even been banned here in the USA, but not positive on that. Also, Carbon Tet should not be used, it's even worse, if you can even find it anymore." "MEK... don't use it, very, very voltile and health dangerous stuff" The above statements are misleading. We had a 'big' discussion about this at length 3 -4 months back, which put comments like those above in their place, and I would refer interested parties back to that thread for the correct information. MEK is a solvent with associated hazards, but like a lot of things in every day use.. treated with respect and the appropriate handling no more dangerous that a correctly used kitchen knife. For our use in Tape deck maintenance, the quantities we use to moisten a cotton bud/Q tip are hardly worth kitting up in a "Noddy" suit.. ( = NBC suit for our American friends).. just use with good ventilation and/or a good organic vapour respirator ( not those 'snoopy' masks sold at DIY stores, which are generally only good for dusts). MEK is still one of the most effective agents for cleaning rubber, and synthetic rubber if used with care, that is relatvely easily obtainable. Anyone that has used a contact cement such as EVOstik, ADOS F2, etc, will have been exposed to MEK in a far greater concentration that we would use for tape deck cleaning.. and was probably not wearing safety protection! There are plenty of excellent resources available through the Internet, such as the EPA, OSHA, or National poisons centre in the US, where the up to date information is freely available for people to peruse. I use resouces such as the EPA myself as an every tool in my job when I encounter a chemical that I now very little about, and often refer customers that way to avoid misunderstanding (people can be 'deaf' but are generally not 'blind").. I never listen to urban legend.. though often interesting.. such as the car mounted RATO legend in the US....it is usually SO wrong... The link to the EPA information on MEK is included below: http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/methylet.html Read the information on Health hazards associated with MEK and make up your own mind. 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 16 10:32:30 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:32:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <44417824.7010308@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Hi Antoine! You wrote...>I hope you're not going to put NOS Mullards in there!< WHY not....the BEST!!! ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:48:04 -0400 > >All-tube, analog VUs($20-30 each?), this thing will cost a LOT of $$$ !!! > >I hope you're not going to put NOS Mullards in there! > >Kermit V. Gray a �crit : >>Hey Antoine, Derrick, Alex, Ken, Marc, Doane, Ron, and all others who've >>suggested that Dolby would be a good, even mandatory, feature for a >>cassette deck. >> >>Antoine Desch�nes wrote: >>>All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? Licenses! >>>(Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big companies. I >>>don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses to Kermit's KVG >>>Labs. >> >>Antoine, you're the smartest guy here. When I spoke to Dolby this past >>Thursday they informed me that they are not granting new licenses, nor >>accepting new licensees for B, C, and S implemetations except for >>play-only circuits in car stereo applications. >Where are Pioneer and JVC getting their license? Do they keep the same old >ones? > >Dolby would be used for playback of old tapes. You could put only play-only >circuits in the deck. Why have the recording circuits if it wouldn't need >it? Any players can play Dolby-free. > >It's a car stereo tape player going in the back of the car. ;-) > >The only problem would be to get good Dolby ICs ... > >Better keep things simple ; An external module. >> >>In fact, the person I spoke to told me bluntly that I was stupid to >>contemplate manufacturing a new high-end cassette deck and that the >>product would fail. >The guy probably haven't noticed it's not for mass-market. >>He rather snidely remarked that the "established" high end companies like >>Nakamichi, Revox and others had long since "wised up" and quit making >>cassette decks. No one wants cassettes except for spoken word, and even >>that market is dying, he added. >Sure! Any average Joe thinks that cassettes are bad sounding, because >marketing from big companies too care of this. >>Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little value >>because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and >>computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" >>for consumers. So, no one wants cassettes except for old people and a >>"kook fringe of digiphobes, like those suckers who still buy LPs." >Tell him that there are still some bands that produce LPs! Dolby would be >losing money if people would return to analog, because they have lots of >digital (Or non-analog if you prefer) technology. >>The person also stated that the "tech savvy" youth consumer market >>especially doesn't want cassettes. >> >>Antoine, you're a "tech savvy youth consumer," so what do you think? >That I'm the only "crazy one" that would want one. Most people say that >they can't make a difference between an MP3 and a CD. The only thing they >matter about is convenience : CD is obsolete now. Their gods are portable >MP3 players... > >What someone would have to do would be to make cassette more present in the >recording industry. It's almost the only solution I can think of to still >be able to get blank cassettes in a few years. Why can we still buy reel >tapes? Because it's still used for recording. >>I will speak to Dolby again in a week or so, and definitely will be sure >>to talk to someone else at the company, >You might fall on an other marketing brain-washed MP3 player dependent guy. >>but it looks like the cassette deck will have to use the outboard Dolby >>422 processor. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 16 10:53:47 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:53:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted Message-ID: Hi Jerry! Seems me that you don't understand well what Kannan wrote...! His Dragon need some minor reparation/tune up...HE WILL do it...& only after that will 100% working conditions you will be able to buy it. You understand that YOU need to make the reparations/tuning...NO...NO...I think that I recall correctly what Kannan means. Be patiently, ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 0:42:46 -0400 > >Sorry, it must not need any work and be ready to go. > > > > > > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > Date: 2006/04/15 Sat PM 10:44:55 EDT > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > > > > I have a Dragon - needs a little work - mainly Cam mode / and another >belt change, Plus final alignment and checking - going to ebay very soon ( >may be within two months). It is in great shape compared to many dragons >that I had seen. I want you to let me know your ball park figure for your >purchase and waht is that you are looking for. > > If I were to look for a Dragon - I will not bother about exzpensive >Remote ( you can rig up your own than wired remote costing couple of >hundreds) but some thing seriuosly looked in to alignment and functions >Plus new belts. This Deck has all these. Let me know what do you want it >for? > > Kannan > > > > > > > > rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > > I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few of >you can be trusted. > > > > Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and lastly >a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. > > > > I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying need for >a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of desirable decks >with the ZX9 on its heals. > > > > Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great >shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original purchase. > > > > Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal will >have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Blab-away for as little as 1�/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! >Messenger with Voice. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sun Apr 16 12:25:12 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:25:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape Message-ID: <44421B88.8000407@peromarta.org> Dear all, I have a dragon and a cr7, recently serviced by NAKAMICHI in UK. As they arrived, I recorded on both decks a 15KHz -20dB tape, to retain their original azimuth position. Even tough they are in great shape, there is a (very-)slight deviation in azimuth alignment (only noticiable with a scope) from one to another. I am in desperate need of an azimuth alignment tape. Looks like an original Nakamichi 15 KHz is impossible to obtain, so I am looking for substitutes. Apparently, TEAC still makes some decent test tapes, http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/eng/products/tape_list.html I wonder if these are usable on Nak decks, and if azimuth alignment is a standard. Other option is having someone with an original 15KHz nakamichi tape could do the "perfect" alignment of a deck, and then record an new 15KHz signal tat I could use as "THE standard". Oh, by the way, any one out there has an e-copy of the CR7 service manual, or should I give techman777 a try? Any thoughts? Best rgds, LP. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Every year at CES (the huge consumer electronics show in Vegas) a bunch of companies trot out their latest cell-phone-refrigerator-CDRW-internet appliance and every year the consumers hold their noses and stay away in hordes. That guy at Dolby is a moron, he's obviously drunk too much of the 9.1 Digital Surround kool-aid. In 3-5 years, when all these newly burned CDR's flake out, we'll still be enjoying our elegant sounding cassettes in all their 2 channel splendor. Music is, first and foremost, made by humans and I think there will always be at least some humans who aren't willing to give all music-making over to the computers. Come to think of it, I bet that Dolby rep was a computer. cheers, F On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:15 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little > value because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision > and computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient > "multimedia solution" for consumers. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 16 14:03:11 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:03:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4442327F.6020406@rcn.com> MEK can be bought at any Home depot store. Last I looked, it was 5 bucks a quart. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > The health rist is the biggest drawback of MEK when compared to to Acetone. > I think it's even been banned here in the USA, but not positive on that. > Also, Carbon Tet should not be used, it's even worse, if you can even find > it anymore. > > Cheers, > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Kimo B. Yap > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:18 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job > > > MEK... don't > use it, very, very voltile and health dangerous stuff. > > > > > Although acetone is actually MORE volatile than MEK :-). Chemically, acetone > and MEK are quite similar; > MEK being a higher molecular weight (and otherwise similar) is less volatile > (i.e. doesn't evaporate > as fast)--which can be good or bad depending on how long you want it to > stick around where you > put it. It probably tends to have slightly greater solvating power for > "greasy" kinds of things as well, > although that's more of an off-the-cuff kind of thought than an experiential > one. They're probably quite > similar on "watery" kinds of things. > > > Health-wise, acetone is actually a by-product (in small amounts) of normal > metabolic processes, so it is probably > "safer" at least in limited quantities (and since it doesn't stick around as > much, see above, tends to stay > within those limited quanties.-kby From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Apr 16 16:33:16 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <466A9D11-D308-437B-A0F5-48F55B024D96@mac.com> Message-ID: <20060416143316.8080.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> CD-Rs last 2-3-years... There are only 2 brands that don't, but they're expensive and no one buy them. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim DataLifePlus. But tapes last more than the DataLife Plus(they last 20 years) Fred Lifton a écrit : This ridiculous buzzword--"convergence"-- has been wallowing about in electronics marketing speak for the last several years. Every year at CES (the huge consumer electronics show in Vegas) a bunch of companies trot out their latest cell-phone-refrigerator-CDRW-internet appliance and every year the consumers hold their noses and stay away in hordes. That guy at Dolby is a moron, he's obviously drunk too much of the 9.1 Digital Surround kool-aid. In 3-5 years, when all these newly burned CDR's flake out, we'll still be enjoying our elegant sounding cassettes in all their 2 channel splendor. Music is, first and foremost, made by humans and I think there will always be at least some humans who aren't willing to give all music-making over to the computers. Come to think of it, I bet that Dolby rep was a computer. cheers, F On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:15 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little value because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" for consumers. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 16 17:53:25 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:53:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <44414EC4.30307@woods-and-waters.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060413110118.01b0d3d0@psulias.psu.edu> <443E6C46.6090801@yahoo.ca> <44414EC4.30307@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <44426875.5040103@rcn.com> First, I didn't realize that one had to be smart to realize that just about the only issue here is the Dolby licensing. Otherwise, including Dolby would be a no brainer. What is truly amazing is the Dolby person's attitude. I am not sure why you would feel it necessary to consult with him on the advisability of your project and why his opinion would be of the lightest interest. I am also surprised that Dolby would refuse to grant licensing on 'B' and 'C', as these are industry standards. I am not even sure their position is legal or that they can legally make the license prohibitively expensive. I will ask my lawyer for an opinion. The bottom line is that lack of at least Dolby B will adversely affect marketability of the product, the availability of an outboard processor notwithstanding. I would recommend that you pursue this with Dolby further, starting with that person's supervisor. -- Ron Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hey Antoine, Derrick, Alex, Ken, Marc, Doane, Ron, and all others who've > suggested that Dolby would be a good, even mandatory, feature for a > cassette deck. > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? Licenses! >> (Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big companies. >> I don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses to Kermit's >> KVG Labs. > > Antoine, you're the smartest guy here. When I spoke to Dolby this past > Thursday they informed me that they are not granting new licenses, nor > accepting new licensees for B, C, and S implemetations except for > play-only circuits in car stereo applications. > > In fact, the person I spoke to told me bluntly that I was stupid to > contemplate manufacturing a new high-end cassette deck and that the > product would fail. He rather snidely remarked that the "established" > high end companies like Nakamichi, Revox and others had long since > "wised up" and quit making cassette decks. No one wants cassettes except > for spoken word, and even that market is dying, he added. Besides, > according to this person, cassette decks are of little value because of > today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and computers are > seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" for > consumers. So, no one wants cassettes except for old people and a "kook > fringe of digiphobes, like those suckers who still buy LPs." The person > also stated that the "tech savvy" youth consumer market especially > doesn't want cassettes. > > Antoine, you're a "tech savvy youth consumer," so what do you think? > > I will speak to Dolby again in a week or so, and definitely will be sure > to talk to someone else at the company, but it looks like the cassette > deck will have to use the outboard Dolby 422 processor. > From fugue4all at shaw.ca Sun Apr 16 18:22:05 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:22:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Microphone dilemma In-Reply-To: <200604161000.k3GA0BZe025085@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0IXT00GS8PJKSS80@l-daemon> Hi, all. Thought I'd toss out a mic question (Kermit, are you there?? ;-0). I recently got a set of four AKG D200's, and am in the process of a detailed diassembly/cleaning/restoration. I need to find a supply of silk liner and foam caps for the inside of the mic heads, as well as foam spacers for the mic cylinders. The foam has completely disintegrated due to age. Any ideas? I'm going to either powdercoat or epoxy the mic bodies for durability. Kermit, tests I did w. the AKG's on my CR7 were wonderful (pipe organ, piano, harpsichord and recorder). Now the dilemma: I have a pristine set of 3 Nak CM300's (capsules, case, original box, etc etc) that I have that have been wonderful for pipe organ in live spaces (the mics sound a tad dry to my ears for anything but really live spaces). If I hang on to 'em, I fear I will develop a microphone fetish. Since I already have a Nak and a motorcycle fetish I'm scared.......Maybe I should sell 'em on EBay to buy MORE MICROPHONES. Maybe it's just too late for me--at least I don't have a tube fetish....yet.... P.S. Why are the folks at Dolby Labs such arrogant buggers? Paul in Northern Ontario -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 75 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? (Alex Cozac) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 04:48:05 +0000 From: "Alex Cozac" Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Shalom Kermit! You suggest...>Alternatively, >the deck may have a set of panel side lights to gently light up the entire >control panel. My McIntosh MR-78 Tuner, from 1974 use this way to illuminate all the Dial scale & suffices me...with a "Dimmer" switch (Since 1974 at "Low" position)...till today all the bulbs are working!!! Easy a cheaper way I think? Be well! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:57:51 -0500 > >Hi Tom, > >Hi Tech wrote: >>On the meter issues, I would use 2 sets of meters. The alignment functions >>could use the meters, but could also have separate displays. > >I'll consider that. Good idea! > >>Back lit control are nice. > >Actually, I have already decided to try that, if nothing else because it >lets the deck work easily in dim lighting. Alternatively, the deck may have >a set of panel side lights to gently light up the entire control panel. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 75 *************************************** From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 16 19:05:02 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:05:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted In-Reply-To: <20060416044246.VZPC14554.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Message-ID: I've got a ZX7 and LX5 being brought up to factory specs right now by Adam Liberman (www.Libermansound.com).. they should be done in about a month. Both have had all orange caps replaced and are in excellent mechanical and physical condition. The ZX7 includes the remote control, original owners manual, service manul copy, adjustment covers. The LX5 includes owners manual and service manual copies. I was going to sell the LX5 and keep the ZX7, but I may be persuaded to go the other way and sell the ZX7. Both are excellent decks, I think the best that Nakamichi made in thier price range. The ZX7 has the advange of precise full record setup of record head azimuth, levels and bias, while the LX5 has tape monitor bias adjustment by ear only. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted Sorry, it must not need any work and be ready to go. > > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > Date: 2006/04/15 Sat PM 10:44:55 EDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > > I have a Dragon - needs a little work - mainly Cam mode / and another belt change, Plus final alignment and checking - going to ebay very soon ( may be within two months). It is in great shape compared to many dragons that I had seen. I want you to let me know your ball park figure for your purchase and waht is that you are looking for. > If I were to look for a Dragon - I will not bother about exzpensive Remote ( you can rig up your own than wired remote costing couple of hundreds) but some thing seriuosly looked in to alignment and functions Plus new belts. This Deck has all these. Let me know what do you want it for? > Kannan > > > > rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few of you can be trusted. > > Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and lastly a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. > > I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying need for a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of desirable decks with the ZX9 on its heals. > > Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original purchase. > > Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal will have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 16 19:33:55 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:33:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <4442327F.6020406@rcn.com> Message-ID: OK, I still would choose to use acetone over mek. No point in beating this to death.. Martin Short can correct me if I'm wrong. Both are extremely flammable though, as well as being a health hazard. For our Naks, the 90% rubbing alcohol should do for most cleaning purposes and it a LOT safer, as was mentioned in earlier threads. Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 5:03 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job MEK can be bought at any Home depot store. Last I looked, it was 5 bucks a quart. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > The health rist is the biggest drawback of MEK when compared to to Acetone. > I think it's even been banned here in the USA, but not positive on that. > Also, Carbon Tet should not be used, it's even worse, if you can even find > it anymore. > > Cheers, > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Kimo B. Yap > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:18 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job > > > MEK... don't > use it, very, very voltile and health dangerous stuff. > > > > > Although acetone is actually MORE volatile than MEK :-). Chemically, acetone > and MEK are quite similar; > MEK being a higher molecular weight (and otherwise similar) is less volatile > (i.e. doesn't evaporate > as fast)--which can be good or bad depending on how long you want it to > stick around where you > put it. It probably tends to have slightly greater solvating power for > "greasy" kinds of things as well, > although that's more of an off-the-cuff kind of thought than an experiential > one. They're probably quite > similar on "watery" kinds of things. > > > Health-wise, acetone is actually a by-product (in small amounts) of normal > metabolic processes, so it is probably > "safer" at least in limited quantities (and since it doesn't stick around as > much, see above, tends to stay > within those limited quanties.-kby -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Apr 16 23:04:54 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060416210454.48413.qmail@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Alex and I am sorry to have messed up the message by leaving out that I am working on restoration. I do not wish to pass up non working Deck ( Naks particularly) when people are finding it impossible to find a tech to do repair. thanks once again for the help kannan Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Jerry! Seems me that you don't understand well what Kannan wrote...! His Dragon need some minor reparation/tune up...HE WILL do it...& only after that will 100% working conditions you will be able to buy it. You understand that YOU need to make the reparations/tuning...NO...NO...I think that I recall correctly what Kannan means. Be patiently, ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 0:42:46 -0400 > >Sorry, it must not need any work and be ready to go. > > > > > > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > Date: 2006/04/15 Sat PM 10:44:55 EDT > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > > > > I have a Dragon - needs a little work - mainly Cam mode / and another >belt change, Plus final alignment and checking - going to ebay very soon ( >may be within two months). It is in great shape compared to many dragons >that I had seen. I want you to let me know your ball park figure for your >purchase and waht is that you are looking for. > > If I were to look for a Dragon - I will not bother about exzpensive >Remote ( you can rig up your own than wired remote costing couple of >hundreds) but some thing seriuosly looked in to alignment and functions >Plus new belts. This Deck has all these. Let me know what do you want it >for? > > Kannan > > > > > > > > rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > > I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few of >you can be trusted. > > > > Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and lastly >a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. > > > > I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying need for >a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of desirable decks >with the ZX9 on its heals. > > > > Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great >shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original purchase. > > > > Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal will >have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. 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Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Apr 16 22:56:18 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:56:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <44414EC4.30307@woods-and-waters.com> References: <443E6C46.6090801@yahoo.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20060413110118.01b0d3d0@psulias.psu.edu> <443E6C46.6090801@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060416155618.0081d810@earthlink.net> Kermit, Are any of the licenses attatched to the IC used, and not the actual unit? If you bought 500 NE645 ics, you'd have Dolby B. There were many sources for Dolby ICs.....or you could do it discrete like in the 600. Just leave the button unlabeled! The old rate used to be a dollar a channel. Threaten to use Super ANRS from JVC. Give them your projected production numbers. I'll bet they'll realize that your effort is no threat. tom brucker At 02:51 PM 4/15/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hey Antoine, Derrick, Alex, Ken, Marc, Doane, Ron, and all others who've > suggested that Dolby would be a good, even mandatory, feature for a >cassette deck. > >Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? Licenses! >> (Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big companies. I >> don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses to Kermit's KVG Labs. > >Antoine, you're the smartest guy here. When I spoke to Dolby this past >Thursday they informed me that they are not granting new licenses, nor >accepting new licensees for B, C, and S implemetations except for >play-only circuits in car stereo applications. > >In fact, the person I spoke to told me bluntly that I was stupid to >contemplate manufacturing a new high-end cassette deck and that the >product would fail. He rather snidely remarked that the "established" >high end companies like Nakamichi, Revox and others had long since >"wised up" and quit making cassette decks. No one wants cassettes except >for spoken word, and even that market is dying, he added. Besides, >according to this person, cassette decks are of little value because of >today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and computers are >seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" for >consumers. So, no one wants cassettes except for old people and a "kook >fringe of digiphobes, like those suckers who still buy LPs." The person >also stated that the "tech savvy" youth consumer market especially >doesn't want cassettes. > >Antoine, you're a "tech savvy youth consumer," so what do you think? > >I will speak to Dolby again in a week or so, and definitely will be sure >to talk to someone else at the company, but it looks like the cassette >deck will have to use the outboard Dolby 422 processor. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Apr 16 23:11:49 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:11:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape In-Reply-To: <44421B88.8000407@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060416161149.0081d510@earthlink.net> Luis, Nakamichi taught me that you cannot use a scope to align play azimuth (or record, for that matter) . Load up your tape and watch the phase response for 5 minutes and tell me how often it is in-phase, and how often it is skewed. The 'scope works for reel to reel, but not cassette. You must align it dynamically! The best method employs a Nak T100 analyzer with 2 channel plasma meters and adjust for peak level AND close balance (you must have proper mechanical head alignment, first) at 12,15, 18 , and 20kHz. The cheap and dirty way is to play back your test tape and listen in mono. You will find the optimum easily. Nak made their own azimuth tape for 2 reasons. They recorded it full track, so side A and B match (another seceret alignment trick) at 15kHz, not 12kHz like everyone else, and they put is on type 2 tape at -10 below Dolby level. And they recorded the whole tape, not just 30 seconds. At 12:25 PM 4/16/06 +0200, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I have a dragon and a cr7, recently serviced by NAKAMICHI in UK. As they >arrived, I recorded on both decks a 15KHz -20dB tape, to retain their >original azimuth position. > >Even tough they are in great shape, there is a (very-)slight deviation >in azimuth alignment (only noticiable with a scope) from one to another. > >I am in desperate need of an azimuth alignment tape. Looks like an >original Nakamichi 15 KHz is impossible to obtain, so I am looking for >substitutes. > >Apparently, TEAC still makes some decent test tapes, > >http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/eng/products/tape_list.html > >I wonder if these are usable on Nak decks, and if azimuth alignment is a >standard. > >Other option is having someone with an original 15KHz nakamichi tape >could do the "perfect" alignment of a deck, and then record an new 15KHz >signal tat I could use as "THE standard". > >Oh, by the way, any one out there has an e-copy of the CR7 service >manual, or should I give techman777 a try? > >Any thoughts? > >Best rgds, LP. > > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\smime.p7s" >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 02:58:39 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <44426875.5040103@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060417005839.22945.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've had similiar problems when trying to source legacy technology/products. People assume that you are a very niche manufacturer or a one-off DIY which they usually do not want to bother. I had this cold attitude when trying to source processors for the ZXL series replacement board. For a company like Dolby which has got its hands on a alot of things now, they seem to be going in the way of the big corporations. But the key advantage is that they've lasted all the other NR systems and makers on the market. Doing a discrete system would necessitate frequent alignment. An IC approach is elegant and neat and doesn't need too much alignment. But devices are still available from makers like Sony who have a two device solution to implement Dolby B, C and S. An dual solution like ZXL may be nice because it allows you to use either the built in NR systems or an external box like Hi-Com, DBX or a Teac AN180 professional Dolby Unit. Bala 79Labs Ron wrote: First, I didn't realize that one had to be smart to realize that just about the only issue here is the Dolby licensing. Otherwise, including Dolby would be a no brainer. What is truly amazing is the Dolby person's attitude. I am not sure why you would feel it necessary to consult with him on the advisability of your project and why his opinion would be of the lightest interest. I am also surprised that Dolby would refuse to grant licensing on 'B' and 'C', as these are industry standards. I am not even sure their position is legal or that they can legally make the license prohibitively expensive. I will ask my lawyer for an opinion. The bottom line is that lack of at least Dolby B will adversely affect marketability of the product, the availability of an outboard processor notwithstanding. I would recommend that you pursue this with Dolby further, starting with that person's supervisor. -- Ron Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hey Antoine, Derrick, Alex, Ken, Marc, Doane, Ron, and all others who've > suggested that Dolby would be a good, even mandatory, feature for a > cassette deck. > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? Licenses! >> (Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big companies. >> I don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses to Kermit's >> KVG Labs. > > Antoine, you're the smartest guy here. When I spoke to Dolby this past > Thursday they informed me that they are not granting new licenses, nor > accepting new licensees for B, C, and S implemetations except for > play-only circuits in car stereo applications. > > In fact, the person I spoke to told me bluntly that I was stupid to > contemplate manufacturing a new high-end cassette deck and that the > product would fail. He rather snidely remarked that the "established" > high end companies like Nakamichi, Revox and others had long since > "wised up" and quit making cassette decks. No one wants cassettes except > for spoken word, and even that market is dying, he added. Besides, > according to this person, cassette decks are of little value because of > today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and computers are > seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" for > consumers. So, no one wants cassettes except for old people and a "kook > fringe of digiphobes, like those suckers who still buy LPs." The person > also stated that the "tech savvy" youth consumer market especially > doesn't want cassettes. > > Antoine, you're a "tech savvy youth consumer," so what do you think? > > I will speak to Dolby again in a week or so, and definitely will be sure > to talk to someone else at the company, but it looks like the cassette > deck will have to use the outboard Dolby 422 processor. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 03:08:27 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <20060416143316.8080.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060417010827.59701.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The basic structure of digital media itself isn't very lasting. Tapes themselves has had history of breaking down prematurely - even reel tapes. But when made well, digital media does last a little longer. The brands you have said are good, Taiyo Yuden being the maker of Thats. Maxell is also giving me very good results. My digital masters are done using Emtec ceramic coated media. But stay away from Sony. They are seeming to have a serious problem because as early as 2000, they started to detoriate quickly. Bala 79Labs Antoine Deschênes wrote: CD-Rs last 2-3-years... There are only 2 brands that don't, but they're expensive and no one buy them. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim DataLifePlus. But tapes last more than the DataLife Plus(they last 20 years) Fred Lifton a écrit : This ridiculous buzzword--"convergence"-- has been wallowing about in electronics marketing speak for the last several years. Every year at CES (the huge consumer electronics show in Vegas) a bunch of companies trot out their latest cell-phone-refrigerator-CDRW-internet appliance and every year the consumers hold their noses and stay away in hordes. That guy at Dolby is a moron, he's obviously drunk too much of the 9.1 Digital Surround kool-aid. In 3-5 years, when all these newly burned CDR's flake out, we'll still be enjoying our elegant sounding cassettes in all their 2 channel splendor. Music is, first and foremost, made by humans and I think there will always be at least some humans who aren't willing to give all music-making over to the computers. Come to think of it, I bet that Dolby rep was a computer. cheers, F On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:15 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little value because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" for consumers. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 03:19:31 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060417011931.83519.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That guy, is an example, of the ignorance created by the sub-standard products creeping into our markets. Now they've managed to shoe-horn a 10 Mpix camera inside a mobile phone. When I look at the lens, it looks worse then a kids toy telescope. But people think this is cool, this is quality. They just don't know what they are missing. The age has come for devices to communicate, but people have been doing it the wrong way. Communication has to be functional. If I can turn on my CR7 from the shower, thats convergence. If I take a nice song, squash it, stretch it into machine code, and pipe it all around the house along side power lines, thats abuse.Life is simply too short for bad music. Shorter still when you realize there's only so many years your ears are at their prime to listen to good music. Bala 79Labs Marc hugo wrote: Too true Fred. Ray Dolby hired a cretin to man the switchboard. No, he wasn't a computer. Computers are too smart to trot out all that sort of dross, and worse, walk past a chance to sell something on the shelf. Too tech-savvy to make a profit? Still, people that thick are a marvellous market for trash products!! MH >>> flifton at mac.com 4/16/2006 1:54:55 AM >>> This ridiculous buzzword--"convergence"-- has been wallowing about in electronics marketing speak for the last several years. Every year at CES (the huge consumer electronics show in Vegas) a bunch of companies trot out their latest cell-phone-refrigerator-CDRW-internet appliance and every year the consumers hold their noses and stay away in hordes. That guy at Dolby is a moron, he's obviously drunk too much of the 9.1 Digital Surround kool-aid. In 3-5 years, when all these newly burned CDR's flake out, we'll still be enjoying our elegant sounding cassettes in all their 2 channel splendor. Music is, first and foremost, made by humans and I think there will always be at least some humans who aren't willing to give all music-making over to the computers. Come to think of it, I bet that Dolby rep was a computer. cheers, F On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:15 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little > value because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision > and computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient > "multimedia solution" for consumers. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Apr 16 21:38:31 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060416193831.40588.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> $200 each. Alex Cozac a écrit : Hi Antoine! You wrote...>I hope you're not going to put NOS Mullards in there!< WHY not....the BEST!!! ALEX! >From: Antoine Deschênes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:48:04 -0400 > >All-tube, analog VUs($20-30 each?), this thing will cost a LOT of $$$ !!! > >I hope you're not going to put NOS Mullards in there! > >Kermit V. Gray a écrit : >>Hey Antoine, Derrick, Alex, Ken, Marc, Doane, Ron, and all others who've >>suggested that Dolby would be a good, even mandatory, feature for a >>cassette deck. >> >>Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>>All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? Licenses! >>>(Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big companies. I >>>don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses to Kermit's KVG >>>Labs. >> >>Antoine, you're the smartest guy here. When I spoke to Dolby this past >>Thursday they informed me that they are not granting new licenses, nor >>accepting new licensees for B, C, and S implemetations except for >>play-only circuits in car stereo applications. >Where are Pioneer and JVC getting their license? Do they keep the same old >ones? > >Dolby would be used for playback of old tapes. You could put only play-only >circuits in the deck. Why have the recording circuits if it wouldn't need >it? Any players can play Dolby-free. > >It's a car stereo tape player going in the back of the car. ;-) > >The only problem would be to get good Dolby ICs ... > >Better keep things simple ; An external module. >> >>In fact, the person I spoke to told me bluntly that I was stupid to >>contemplate manufacturing a new high-end cassette deck and that the >>product would fail. >The guy probably haven't noticed it's not for mass-market. >>He rather snidely remarked that the "established" high end companies like >>Nakamichi, Revox and others had long since "wised up" and quit making >>cassette decks. No one wants cassettes except for spoken word, and even >>that market is dying, he added. >Sure! Any average Joe thinks that cassettes are bad sounding, because >marketing from big companies too care of this. >>Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little value >>because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and >>computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" >>for consumers. So, no one wants cassettes except for old people and a >>"kook fringe of digiphobes, like those suckers who still buy LPs." >Tell him that there are still some bands that produce LPs! Dolby would be >losing money if people would return to analog, because they have lots of >digital (Or non-analog if you prefer) technology. >>The person also stated that the "tech savvy" youth consumer market >>especially doesn't want cassettes. >> >>Antoine, you're a "tech savvy youth consumer," so what do you think? >That I'm the only "crazy one" that would want one. Most people say that >they can't make a difference between an MP3 and a CD. The only thing they >matter about is convenience : CD is obsolete now. Their gods are portable >MP3 players... > >What someone would have to do would be to make cassette more present in the >recording industry. It's almost the only solution I can think of to still >be able to get blank cassettes in a few years. Why can we still buy reel >tapes? Because it's still used for recording. >>I will speak to Dolby again in a week or so, and definitely will be sure >>to talk to someone else at the company, >You might fall on an other marketing brain-washed MP3 player dependent guy. >>but it looks like the cassette deck will have to use the outboard Dolby >>422 processor. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Apr 16 21:58:21 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:58:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted Message-ID: <20060416195821.CEUQ14554.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Alex, That was me, Roland, who did not understand, but I do understand now. I've exchanged emails with kannan on the deck that he has in his possession. > > From: "Alex Cozac" > Date: 2006/04/16 Sun AM 04:53:47 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > > Hi Jerry! > > Seems me that you don't understand well what Kannan wrote...! His Dragon > need some minor reparation/tune up...HE WILL do it...& only after that will > 100% working conditions you will be able to buy it. You understand that YOU > need to make the reparations/tuning...NO...NO...I think that I recall > correctly what Kannan means. > > Be patiently, > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 0:42:46 -0400 > > > >Sorry, it must not need any work and be ready to go. > > > > > > > > > > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > > Date: 2006/04/15 Sat PM 10:44:55 EDT > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > > > > > > I have a Dragon - needs a little work - mainly Cam mode / and another > >belt change, Plus final alignment and checking - going to ebay very soon ( > >may be within two months). It is in great shape compared to many dragons > >that I had seen. I want you to let me know your ball park figure for your > >purchase and waht is that you are looking for. > > > If I were to look for a Dragon - I will not bother about exzpensive > >Remote ( you can rig up your own than wired remote costing couple of > >hundreds) but some thing seriuosly looked in to alignment and functions > >Plus new belts. This Deck has all these. Let me know what do you want it > >for? > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > > > I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few of > >you can be trusted. > > > > > > Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and lastly > >a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. > > > > > > I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying need for > >a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of desirable decks > >with the ZX9 on its heals. > > > > > > Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great > >shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original purchase. > > > > > > Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal will > >have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! > >Messenger with Voice. > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 16 22:21:55 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:21:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Highly Recommended by jerry In-Reply-To: <20060416082747.15499.qmail@himalia.focalex.com> Message-ID: Do we really need advertising on this board? I personally don't like it, thanks, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jerry jg Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 1:28 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Highly Recommended by jerry Page recommendation... Dear naktalk at naks.com, jerry jg would like you to see this page: Click below to see this page and to join the Flowgo mailing list: Easter Hip Hop! To just visit the recommended page, click here. jerry also included this message: Happy Easter from Jerryjg and Easter B. Flowgo Visit this great site! Want to build traffic to your web site and get paid? http://www.tafmaster.com/pc/253953/ban/email/ - Request sent from 67.135.14.26 at 2006-04-16 04:27:47. - You are receiving this email because someone used the TAF Master Tell A Friend system to recommend a webpage to you. - Rather not get messages like this from your friends anymore? Click here to prevent any further such messages. - To report abuse or learn more about TAF Master, please visit http://www.tafmaster.com/user_faq/. From rob at rhoag.com Sun Apr 16 22:52:26 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:52:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <20060416143316.8080.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm curious where you are getting your information from.. some obscure web sites?... it just isn't correct. Worst case would be leaving CDs in hot or sunlight situations, or extremely humid (wet) conditions to get that sort of flaking you suggest, or maybe using some of the early disks or really cheap or no brand disks. I think we went round and round with this just a few months ago. I've only had one disk failure in almost ten years and it was actually because of a cheap disk.. I couldn't even find the name on it. For absolute safety, make a disk copy every 3 years, just takes a minute, and pitch the old one.. you can't do that with a cassette, can you? Cassettes aren't infallible either, same problems with heat and humidity, plus the danger of magnetic fields, exposure to poor deck mechanisms that can chew up tapes, stretch or break them, erase highs, etc. Yes, Taiyo Yuden is one of the best, I use them myself, but expensive? ...hardly, I buy mine at Neato.com and they are about $30 for a 100 cake box of 52x 700mb siver/blue Tayo Uden CDR disks. That's about 30 cents a disk for 80 minutes of music or up to ten hours of mp3 music, how much are the best quality 90 minute cassettes? Ten to thirty times that cost, right? :~) Doane -------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 7:33 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE : [naktalk] Convergence CD-Rs last 2-3-years... There are only 2 brands that don't, but they're expensive and no one buy them. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim DataLifePlus. But tapes last more than the DataLife Plus(they last 20 years) Fred Lifton a écrit : This ridiculous buzzword--"convergence"-- has been wallowing about in electronics marketing speak for the last several years. Every year at CES (the huge consumer electronics show in Vegas) a bunch of companies trot out their latest cell-phone-refrigerator-CDRW-internet appliance and every year the consumers hold their noses and stay away in hordes. That guy at Dolby is a moron, he's obviously drunk too much of the 9.1 Digital Surround kool-aid. In 3-5 years, when all these newly burned CDR's flake out, we'll still be enjoying our elegant sounding cassettes in all their 2 channel splendor. Music is, first and foremost, made by humans and I think there will always be at least some humans who aren't willing to give all music-making over to the computers. Come to think of it, I bet that Dolby rep was a computer. cheers, F On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:15 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little value because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" for consumers. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Apr 16 23:35:17 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:35:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060414181715.0081e100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi all, Got a potential purchase of a 680ZX on the cards, but the seller says the play, FF and Rew buttons do not work. The head block moves up when play is pressed but nothing else happens. I am thinking idler problem but since I am not familiar with the classic Nak transport mechanisms, anyone got any idea what might be wrong? Is it the idler or perhaps reel motor? From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 17 00:24:22 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060416155618.0081d810@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060416222423.3515.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just looking, NE645 seems to be for B&C. Discrete could be a solution, but, $$$. Not being able to get new ICs might be a reason to have no Dolby. I thought about it the other day. Even if the deck is able to record with less noise, will other decks be playing well enough so that Dolby isn't even needed? Hi Tech a écrit : Kermit, Are any of the licenses attatched to the IC used, and not the actual unit? If you bought 500 NE645 ics, you'd have Dolby B. There were many sources for Dolby ICs.....or you could do it discrete like in the 600. Just leave the button unlabeled! The old rate used to be a dollar a channel. Threaten to use Super ANRS from JVC. Give them your projected production numbers. I'll bet they'll realize that your effort is no threat. tom brucker At 02:51 PM 4/15/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hey Antoine, Derrick, Alex, Ken, Marc, Doane, Ron, and all others who've > suggested that Dolby would be a good, even mandatory, feature for a >cassette deck. > >Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? Licenses! >> (Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big companies. I >> don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses to Kermit's KVG Labs. > >Antoine, you're the smartest guy here. When I spoke to Dolby this past >Thursday they informed me that they are not granting new licenses, nor >accepting new licensees for B, C, and S implemetations except for >play-only circuits in car stereo applications. > >In fact, the person I spoke to told me bluntly that I was stupid to >contemplate manufacturing a new high-end cassette deck and that the >product would fail. He rather snidely remarked that the "established" >high end companies like Nakamichi, Revox and others had long since >"wised up" and quit making cassette decks. No one wants cassettes except >for spoken word, and even that market is dying, he added. Besides, >according to this person, cassette decks are of little value because of >today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and computers are >seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" for >consumers. So, no one wants cassettes except for old people and a "kook >fringe of digiphobes, like those suckers who still buy LPs." The person >also stated that the "tech savvy" youth consumer market especially >doesn't want cassettes. > >Antoine, you're a "tech savvy youth consumer," so what do you think? > >I will speak to Dolby again in a week or so, and definitely will be sure >to talk to someone else at the company, but it looks like the cassette >deck will have to use the outboard Dolby 422 processor. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 17 00:24:53 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:24:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: <109C27F4-0873-433D-A98A-FED3818431A9@alumni.caltech.edu> Yeah; snidely remark back that if there ain't no money in it, then why don't they just put them in the public domain :-). Or that if they don't care 'bout it you'll build and skip the licensing part (quoting him as the source that "they didn't care").-kby From luis at peromarta.org Mon Apr 17 01:03:23 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:03:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060416161149.0081d510@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060416161149.0081d510@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4442CD3B.4000800@peromarta.org> Thanks Tom. You are right, it's quite often skewed, however, there's a position definitively better than any other, at which both channels peak, and furthermore, they are in most of the time in phase, with only small variations. (there are other positions in phase, of course, but do not peak their output). It's pretty much like the old dirty "mono" way as you state. My question is, if using the TEAC tape would be just as good as the nakamichi tape. Anyone has any experience with these? Thanks again, LP. Hi Tech wrote: > Luis, > > > Nakamichi taught me that you cannot use a scope to align play azimuth > (or record, for that matter) . > Load up your tape and watch the phase response for 5 minutes and tell me > how often it is in-phase, and how often it is skewed. The 'scope works for > reel to reel, but not cassette. > You must align it dynamically! The best method employs a Nak T100 analyzer > with 2 channel plasma meters and adjust for peak level AND close balance > (you must have proper mechanical head alignment, first) at 12,15, 18 , and > 20kHz. > The cheap and dirty way is to play back your test tape and listen in mono. > You will find the optimum easily. Nak made their own azimuth tape for 2 > reasons. They recorded it full track, so side A and B match (another > seceret alignment trick) at 15kHz, not 12kHz like everyone else, and they > put is on type 2 tape at -10 below Dolby level. And they recorded the > whole tape, not just 30 seconds. At 12:25 PM 4/16/06 +0200, you wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I have a dragon and a cr7, recently serviced by NAKAMICHI in UK. As they >> arrived, I recorded on both decks a 15KHz -20dB tape, to retain their >> original azimuth position. >> >> Even tough they are in great shape, there is a (very-)slight deviation >> in azimuth alignment (only noticiable with a scope) from one to another. >> >> I am in desperate need of an azimuth alignment tape. Looks like an >> original Nakamichi 15 KHz is impossible to obtain, so I am looking for >> substitutes. >> >> Apparently, TEAC still makes some decent test tapes, >> >> http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/eng/products/tape_list.html >> >> I wonder if these are usable on Nak decks, and if azimuth alignment is a >> standard. >> >> Other option is having someone with an original 15KHz nakamichi tape >> could do the "perfect" alignment of a deck, and then record an new 15KHz >> signal tat I could use as "THE standard". >> >> Oh, by the way, any one out there has an e-copy of the CR7 service >> manual, or should I give techman777 a try? >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\smime.p7s" >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3305 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 17 01:14:21 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:14:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <20060416143316.8080.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060416143316.8080.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4442CFCD.6060701@rcn.com> I have some far older CD-Rs that play just fine. They must be defective... -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > CD-Rs last 2-3-years... > > There are only 2 brands that don't, but they're expensive and no one buy > them. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim DataLifePlus. > > But tapes last more than the DataLife Plus(they last 20 years) > > */Fred Lifton /* a écrit : > > This ridiculous buzzword--"convergence"-- has been wallowing about > in electronics marketing speak for the last several years. Every > year at CES (the huge consumer electronics show in Vegas) a bunch of > companies trot out their latest > cell-phone-refrigerator-CDRW-internet appliance and every year the > consumers hold their noses and stay away in hordes. That guy at > Dolby is a moron, he's obviously drunk too much of the 9.1 Digital > Surround kool-aid. > > In 3-5 years, when all these newly burned CDR's flake out, we'll > still be enjoying our elegant sounding cassettes in all their 2 > channel splendor. Music is, first and foremost, made by humans and I > think there will always be at least some humans who aren't willing > to give all music-making over to the computers. Come to think of it, > I bet that Dolby rep was a computer. > > cheers, > F > > On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:15 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little >> value because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, >> telvision and computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient >> "multimedia solution" for consumers. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 17 06:16:34 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 04:16:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted Message-ID: Dear Kannan! We the "Oldie's"...Nak owner understand well what you or any other "Oldie" member means!!! I'm very happy that I help you, Cheers, ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:04:54 -0700 (PDT) > >Thanks Alex > and I am sorry to have messed up the message by leaving out that I am >working on restoration. I do not wish to pass up non working Deck ( Naks >particularly) when people are finding it impossible to find a tech to do >repair. > thanks once again for the help > kannan > >Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Jerry! > >Seems me that you don't understand well what Kannan wrote...! His Dragon >need some minor reparation/tune up...HE WILL do it...& only after that will >100% working conditions you will be able to buy it. You understand that YOU >need to make the reparations/tuning...NO...NO...I think that I recall >correctly what Kannan means. > >Be patiently, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 0:42:46 -0400 > > > >Sorry, it must not need any work and be ready to go. > > > > > > > > > > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > > Date: 2006/04/15 Sat PM 10:44:55 EDT > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > > > > > > I have a Dragon - needs a little work - mainly Cam mode / and another > >belt change, Plus final alignment and checking - going to ebay very soon >( > >may be within two months). It is in great shape compared to many dragons > >that I had seen. I want you to let me know your ball park figure for your > >purchase and waht is that you are looking for. > > > If I were to look for a Dragon - I will not bother about exzpensive > >Remote ( you can rig up your own than wired remote costing couple of > >hundreds) but some thing seriuosly looked in to alignment and functions > >Plus new belts. This Deck has all these. Let me know what do you want it > >for? > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > > > I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few of > >you can be trusted. > > > > > > Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and >lastly > >a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. > > > > > > I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying need >for > >a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of desirable decks > >with the ZX9 on its heals. > > > > > > Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great > >shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original >purchase. > > > > > > Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal will > >have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Blab-away for as little as 1�/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! > >Messenger with Voice. > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >Blab-away for as little as 1�/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! >Messenger with Voice. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Apr 17 06:42:41 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:42:41 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning Naks and solvents Message-ID: <001c01c661d9$5d1e4460$0201a8c0@lan> "OK, I still would choose to use acetone over mek. No point in beating this to death.. Martin Short can correct me if I'm wrong. Both are extremely flammable though, as well as being a health hazard. For our Naks, the 90% rubbing alcohol should do for most cleaning purposes and it a LOT safer, as was mentioned in earlier threads." Agree, though Acetone is both more volatile and less aggressive than MEK. If it works for you that is fine, but I find it to fast evaporating and is not effective at deglazing rubber. Same handling rules apply (ventilation etc) though it is less hazardous to your health. I ONLY use MEK sparingly for deglazing rubber components, that is on pinch rollers, belts, and idler wheels, usually when I do not have a replacement part handy, or when tidying up a newly acquired tape deck ( you probably wouldn't be surprised at how many people do not look after their decks very well, and I usually find pinch roller and capstans encrusted in oxide, for which MEK is the king at removing). 99% of you out there in Nak land with one or two decks would probably have no use for the stuff!. For everything else, ie: regular day to day cleaning , I use Iso propyl alcohol ( aka: IPA, Isopropanol). Just a quick note on a couple of the other solvents mentioned earlier, neither of which have any place in Nakamichi maintenance: Methylene Chloride: the principle component of most solvent based paint strippers... use on your Nak only if you want a new one .. Tetrahydrofuran: (THF) is more commonly available than you think. Every shoe repair store probably has some, though they may not know it... a good solvent for cleaning Polyurethanes prior to gluing eg: shoe soles. Cannot think of any reason why you would use this. (Also can be used for hardcore more so than recreational drug manufacture if that is your want. :o{ . personally good music does it for me, even better if via a Nak ) Martin NZ Recreational Nak user. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Bala 79Labs winnie pooh wrote: Hi all, Got a potential purchase of a 680ZX on the cards, but the seller says the play, FF and Rew buttons do not work. The head block moves up when play is pressed but nothing else happens. I am thinking idler problem but since I am not familiar with the classic Nak transport mechanisms, anyone got any idea what might be wrong? Is it the idler or perhaps reel motor? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I promised Karin I wouldn't send any manufacturing overseas. Besides, except for my 77D, all my designs need to be hand-tweaked during construction before they'll work correctly. You have to know how they are supposed to sound, merely achieving benchmark measurements won't suffice. No idea how to instruct another company on how to manufacture my designs. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! 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Manuals: http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/BX-100_OwnersManual.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/BX-125_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/BX-2_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/BX-300_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/N480_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/RX202_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/RX505_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/O-880310A_recommended_cassette_tapes.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/O-880905L_important_note_on_cleaning.pdf Brochures: http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/DR1-2-3_Brochure-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/RE1-2-3_Brochure-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/S-8211100C_lx-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/S-8311600A_rx-202-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/S-8501200G_rx-202-Dean.pdf Enjoy, Wouter From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Apr 17 11:20:55 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:20:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX heads Message-ID: Hi Martin, In the sense that you cannot use an after market head to replace it, it is special. They are sendust core heads which are designed to carry a higher voltage than run-of-the-mill heads, which is why they are able to kick recalcitrant metals into shape without a problem. Also they have a very even lamination to mitigate wear and atmospheric issues like corrosion. Because they characteristically show wear faster without a pad lifter, replacing them is an issue. They are definitely superior to any combination heads that I can think of. Stick to the real thing IMHO. Marc >>> shorty at nznet.gen.nz 4/17/2006 6:46:31 AM >>> Just a quick query... the R/P head used on the single capstan BX1/2, 100-150 and CR 1-2 series.. is there anything 'special' about it? Thanks, Martin The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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All around me nobody complains any data has been lost yet. But I am not an expert nor much of a CD-R user. With 30+ Naks and odd 700 cassette tapes I use primarily the cassette medium. My own tapes of 30 years back still work reasonably well so I do not worry about losing the stored music. Happy listening. ScHenk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:33:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Antoine Deschnes Subject: RE : [naktalk] Convergence To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" CD-Rs last 2-3-years... There are only 2 brands that don't, but they're expensive and no one buy them. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim DataLifePlus. But tapes last more than the DataLife Plus(they last 20 years) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Apr 17 12:49:26 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:49:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444372B6.7020306@snet.net> I'd have to agree with Doane on this one as I've been burning CDs for about 9 years now and even the earliest disks play perfectly. I've had far more trouble with damage due to environmental issues causing scratches and hazing, but even that is pretty rare. Just like my important cassettes, I keep my library of 1000 or so live performances securely stored and have had no problems. The issues I have had are brand specific and involve problems with actually burning a good disk at the outset. Memorex media in partricular tends to come out only lightly toasted ; ) Ed Doane Hoag wrote: >I'm curious where you are getting your information from.. some obscure web >sites?... it just isn't correct. > >Worst case would be leaving CDs in hot or sunlight situations, or extremely >humid (wet) conditions to get that sort of flaking you suggest, or maybe >using some of the early disks or really cheap or no brand disks. >I think we went round and round with this just a few months ago. I've only >had one disk failure in almost ten years and it was actually because of a >cheap disk.. I couldn't even find the name on it. >For absolute safety, make a disk copy every 3 years, just takes a minute, >and pitch the old one.. you can't do that with a cassette, can you? > >Cassettes aren't infallible either, same problems with heat and humidity, >plus the danger of magnetic fields, exposure to poor deck mechanisms that >can chew up tapes, stretch or break them, erase highs, etc. > >Yes, Taiyo Yuden is one of the best, I use them myself, but expensive? >...hardly, I buy mine at Neato.com and they are about $30 for a 100 cake box >of 52x 700mb siver/blue Tayo Uden CDR disks. That's about 30 cents a disk >for 80 minutes of music or up to ten hours of mp3 music, how much are the >best quality 90 minute cassettes? Ten to thirty times that cost, right? :~) > >Doane >-------------------------- > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Antoine Deschênes >Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 7:33 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE : [naktalk] Convergence > > >CD-Rs last 2-3-years... > >There are only 2 brands that don't, but they're expensive and no one buy >them. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim DataLifePlus. > >But tapes last more than the DataLife Plus(they last 20 years) > >Fred Lifton a écrit : >This ridiculous buzzword--"convergence"-- has been wallowing about in >electronics marketing speak for the last several years. Every year at CES >(the huge consumer electronics show in Vegas) a bunch of companies trot out >their latest cell-phone-refrigerator-CDRW-internet appliance and every year >the consumers hold their noses and stay away in hordes. That guy at Dolby is >a moron, he's obviously drunk too much of the 9.1 Digital Surround kool-aid. > > >In 3-5 years, when all these newly burned CDR's flake out, we'll still be >enjoying our elegant sounding cassettes in all their 2 channel splendor. >Music is, first and foremost, made by humans and I think there will always >be at least some humans who aren't willing to give all music-making over to >the computers. Come to think of it, I bet that Dolby rep was a computer. > > >cheers, >F > > >On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:15 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > >Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little value >because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and computers >are seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" for >consumers. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Antoine Deschênes > > >Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 17 13:28:07 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:28:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape In-Reply-To: <4442CD3B.4000800@peromarta.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20060416161149.0081d510@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060416161149.0081d510@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060417062807.00b3d2d0@pop.earthlink.net> I don't know if the Teac is full track. One trick is to adjust the azimuth, then turn over the cassette. If the adjust point is different, then you have an inferior alignment tape. This technique is valid only in the middle of a cassette, so the tape packs are equal. tom brucker At 01:03 AM 4/17/2006 +0200, you wrote: >Thanks Tom. > >You are right, it's quite often skewed, however, there's a position >definitively better than any other, at which both channels peak, and >furthermore, they are in most of the time in phase, with only small >variations. (there are other positions in phase, of course, but do not >peak their output). > >It's pretty much like the old dirty "mono" way as you state. > >My question is, if using the TEAC tape would be just as good as the >nakamichi tape. Anyone has any experience with these? > >Thanks again, > >LP. > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Luis, >> >> >> Nakamichi taught me that you cannot use a scope to align play azimuth >> (or record, for that matter) . >> Load up your tape and watch the phase response for 5 minutes and tell me >> how often it is in-phase, and how often it is skewed. The 'scope works for >> reel to reel, but not cassette. >> You must align it dynamically! The best method employs a Nak T100 analyzer >> with 2 channel plasma meters and adjust for peak level AND close balance >> (you must have proper mechanical head alignment, first) at 12,15, 18 , and >> 20kHz. >> The cheap and dirty way is to play back your test tape and listen in mono. >> You will find the optimum easily. Nak made their own azimuth tape for 2 >> reasons. They recorded it full track, so side A and B match (another >> seceret alignment trick) at 15kHz, not 12kHz like everyone else, and they >> put is on type 2 tape at -10 below Dolby level. And they recorded the >> whole tape, not just 30 seconds. At 12:25 PM 4/16/06 +0200, you wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I have a dragon and a cr7, recently serviced by NAKAMICHI in UK. As they >>> arrived, I recorded on both decks a 15KHz -20dB tape, to retain their >>> original azimuth position. >>> >>> Even tough they are in great shape, there is a (very-)slight deviation >>> in azimuth alignment (only noticiable with a scope) from one to another. >>> >>> I am in desperate need of an azimuth alignment tape. Looks like an >>> original Nakamichi 15 KHz is impossible to obtain, so I am looking for >>> substitutes. >>> >>> Apparently, TEAC still makes some decent test tapes, >>> >>> http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/eng/products/tape_list.html >>> >>> I wonder if these are usable on Nak decks, and if azimuth alignment is a >>> standard. >>> >>> Other option is having someone with an original 15KHz nakamichi tape >>> could do the "perfect" alignment of a deck, and then record an new 15KHz >>> signal tat I could use as "THE standard". >>> >>> Oh, by the way, any one out there has an e-copy of the CR7 service >>> manual, or should I give techman777 a try? >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Best rgds, LP. >>> >>> >>> Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\smime.p7s" >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\smime.p7s" >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 17 13:34:46 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:34:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX heads In-Reply-To: <002901c661d9$e6740b00$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060417063446.00b3d190@pop.earthlink.net> Yes! It has a cute Nakamichi symbol on it! Seriously, I don't know if it is Crystalloy of sendust. It may be a common head. The problem with head substitution is EQ can be way off in both record and play. Nakamichis that have play eq only adjust a few dB at the top end,The engineers relied on part to part consistency to keep their decks flat. In last week's part purchase I found 2 BX 1 heads, so you now have access to an original! tom brucker At 04:46 PM 4/17/2006 +1200, you wrote: >>>> Just a quick query... the R/P head used on the single capstan BX1/2, 100-150 and CR 1-2 series.. is there anything 'special' about it? Thanks, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 17 13:42:23 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:42:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20060414181715.0081e100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060417064223.00b3d2d0@pop.earthlink.net> I think your capstan motor is not turning. In stop are the capstans rotating? If you load tape and close the door, and the slack is taken up, your reel motor is ok. Capstan motors were fairly common failures, but sometimes the drive circiut would fail and the motor would be ok. The block that holds the buttons also breaks. It is nla, so it has to be glued. Estimate for repair would be about $175. tom brucker At 09:35 PM 4/16/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi all, > >Got a potential purchase of a 680ZX on the cards, but the seller says the >play, FF and Rew buttons do not work. The head block moves up when play is >pressed but nothing else happens. I am thinking idler problem but since I am >not familiar with the classic Nak transport mechanisms, anyone got any idea >what might be wrong? Is it the idler or perhaps reel motor? > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 17 13:48:32 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:48:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Noise reduction options In-Reply-To: <20060416222423.3515.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060416155618.0081d810@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060417064832.00b317f8@pop.earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 5105 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 17 14:04:45 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:04:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Belts tires etc In-Reply-To: <20060415124950.94177.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060415124950.94177.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4443845D.7040702@xs4all.nl> PRB also lists the Nakamish (Nakamichi I suppose) cross reference list: http://www.russellind.com/prbline/xref/nakamish.htm some other brands are listed as well: http://www.russellind.com/prbline/main.htm I have a SCQ4.8 here (classic mech cam belt) for testing... It seems to 'fit' well. Wouter Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Dean, > > I think we certainly need to give it that shot. Scott has put up a > PRB number for each belt on his website. But I am not sure how exact > those figures are. Scott can you explain? > > These classic transport belts are really critical. I have near exact > belts, but its ever so slightly thicker and thats causing some problems. > > Bala > 79Labs > From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Mon Apr 17 14:23:58 2006 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:23:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX Message-ID: <200604171224.k3HCO3Lq031449@zxe.naks.com> Winnie, Hard to say from a distance. But some extra details would help you. IF the problem stems from the idler; 1 The transport might make some noise. 2 The auto shut off will engage after about 1 second, retracting the heads. 3 The capstans will be running, so the tape will actually move a little, what can been seen in play mode as left reel will turn for a second. 4 The capstans will be running, so a little slack tape will probably appear at the take up side of the tape window IF the problem lies with the reel motor; the same things BUT; probably no noise from the transport at all. An 680 is a desirable deck, so still worth a gamble if the price is reasonable. Good luck and happy listening, ScHenk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:35:17 +0000 From: "winnie pooh" Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX To: naktalk at nak Hi all, Got a potential purchase of a 680ZX on the cards, but the seller says the play, FF and Rew buttons do not work. The head block moves up when play is pressed but nothing else happens. I am thinking idler problem but since I am not familiar with the classic Nak transport mechanisms, anyone got any idea what might be wrong? Is it the idler or perhaps reel motor? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Mon Apr 17 14:59:27 2006 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (C P Tarun) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:29:27 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Need help to find some parts for my ZX-9 Message-ID: <2dc095ab0604170559w56564879ie9d768671384597b@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, I've been a lurker on this list for perhaps two years or more now. I've got tons of help from you guys earlier when my deck had problems. My ZX-9 died recently. I live in Bombay. I have a friend who has been CLA'ing Nak decks (and some others) for a few decades, and is very good. I've got my deck serviced and realigned by him about four years ago, and he did an excellent job then. A few months back, my deck's motor stopped, and this friend who maintains my deck looked at it and said that it's what he'd been afraid of: the motor has died. He is referring to the main motor which pulls the tape (I believe the ZX-9 has more than one motor?) He said that this is a very special Hall Effect motor, and he can fix the deck if I can get him a replacement motor. He gave me the part number of the stuff he wants from the Nak service manual: Motor PCB assembly: BA 04759A Together with that, he said he'd also like to replace the supply pressure roller ass'y (CA 08053B) and Takeup pressure roller ass'y (CA 08079B), and make one or two other replacements which he'd told me about earlier but had advised me to delay, to help me avoid multiple rounds of repairs. My friend also said that this ZX-9 motor assembly has a track record of dying if left unused for many months... unlike other high-end Nak motors. Is this true? He said the ZX-7 motor is less temperamental, for instance. So, now I'm stuck because of this motor assembly. I contacted classic-nakamichi.com in the UK, and they said that out of my parts list (which included the motor assembly and many other less important things), only the three belts were available. (This means they don't even seem to have PB and record head assemblies or azimuth wire any more.) Do you have any idea where else I can look for these parts? Should I contact ES Labs? Is there anyone else I should contact? Thanks in advance, Tarun PS: Sending this email from a friend's account because it appears that the yahoo.co.in mail server has been blacklisted by spamcop.net, so I can't send any emails to naktalks for now from Yahoo. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 17 15:16:28 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:16:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <4442CFCD.6060701@rcn.com> References: <20060416143316.8080.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4442CFCD.6060701@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4443952C.8050904@yahoo.ca> OK, maybe 4-6 years, but I have some that start to be unreadable (Some players can't read them). Almost all my Maxell ones. Taiyo Yuden is supposed to have a 100 years data retention warranty, compared to that... Ron a écrit : > > I have some far older CD-Rs that play just fine. > They must be defective... > > -- Ron > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> CD-Rs last 2-3-years... >> >> There are only 2 brands that don't, but they're expensive and no one >> buy them. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim DataLifePlus. >> >> But tapes last more than the DataLife Plus(they last 20 years) >> >> */Fred Lifton /* a écrit : >> >> This ridiculous buzzword--"convergence"-- has been wallowing about >> in electronics marketing speak for the last several years. Every >> year at CES (the huge consumer electronics show in Vegas) a bunch of >> companies trot out their latest >> cell-phone-refrigerator-CDRW-internet appliance and every year the >> consumers hold their noses and stay away in hordes. That guy at >> Dolby is a moron, he's obviously drunk too much of the 9.1 Digital >> Surround kool-aid. >> In 3-5 years, when all these newly burned CDR's flake out, we'll >> still be enjoying our elegant sounding cassettes in all their 2 >> channel splendor. Music is, first and foremost, made by humans and I >> think there will always be at least some humans who aren't willing >> to give all music-making over to the computers. Come to think of it, >> I bet that Dolby rep was a computer. >> >> cheers, >> F >> >> On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:15 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com >> wrote: >> >>> Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little >>> value because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, >>> telvision and computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient >>> "multimedia solution" for consumers. From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 17 15:40:11 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:40:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak documentation by Dean In-Reply-To: <444375D3.10404@xs4all.nl> References: <444375D3.10404@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <44439ABB.2020907@rcn.com> Dean and Wouter, big thanks! I've been looking for the RE-2 specs for God knows how long. -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi All, > > Here are the documents supplied by Dean! > > Manuals: > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/BX-100_OwnersManual.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/BX-125_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/BX-2_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/BX-300_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/N480_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/RX202_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/RX505_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf > > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/O-880310A_recommended_cassette_tapes.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/O-880905L_important_note_on_cleaning.pdf > > Brochures: > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/DR1-2-3_Brochure-Dean.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/RE1-2-3_Brochure-Dean.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/S-8211100C_lx-Dean.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/S-8311600A_rx-202-Dean.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/S-8501200G_rx-202-Dean.pdf > > Enjoy, > > Wouter From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 17 15:43:26 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:43:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Noise reduction options In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060417064832.00b317f8@pop.earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060416155618.0081d810@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060417064832.00b317f8@pop.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44439B7E.1030400@yahoo.ca> Other options? A Dolby NR-"compatible" noise reduction system. It would need a completely different way to "encode"/"decode" the format but would do the same thing. Antoine Tom Brucker a écrit : > Kermit is stuck. It seems Dolby has drawn a line in the sand. Kermit > opts for external NR processors, but are there processors available > currently in production? > What other options exist. JVC ANRS and Super ANRS were supposed to be > compatible in playback. Has anyone verified this? > Hi Com was mentioned. I knew Nakamichi had a stand alone system for > the MR2, but I had lost the name. Hi Com was created by Telefunken. Is > it in any way compatible?Would Kermit's deck be marketable with Dolby > playback only? > > tom brucker > > At 06:24 PM 4/16/2006 -0400, you wrote: > >>>> > Just looking, NE645 seems to be for B&C. > > Discrete could be a solution, but, $$$. > > Not being able to get new ICs might be a reason to have no Dolby. > > I thought about it the other day. Even if the deck is able to record > with less noise, will other decks be playing well enough so that Dolby > isn't even needed? > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Apr 17 15:46:57 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:46:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <20060416143316.8080.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <466A9D11-D308-437B-A0F5-48F55B024D96@mac.com> <20060416143316.8080.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417094244.01eb74f8@psulias.psu.edu> I've had some pretty bad luck with CD-Rs as well. And I treat my CDs really well, you'd be hard pressed to find a scratch on any of them. The only true bulletproof brand I found was Kodak Gold, which of course isn't made anymore. Everything else has failed to one degree or another. I've been using Maxell Pro the last year of so, so far pretty good, but not flawless. Never tried the Verbatim Data Life Plus, but their run of the mill discs suck. I can't even get them to start to record half the time. I've begun backing up all my CDRs to cassette. Oh the irony... At 10:33 AM 4/16/2006, Antoine Deschênes wrote: >CD-Rs last 2-3-years... > >There are only 2 brands that don't, but they're expensive and no one buy >them. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim DataLifePlus. > >But tapes last more than the DataLife Plus(they last 20 years) From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Apr 17 16:05:22 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:05:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: References: <20060416143316.8080.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417094756.01e5a890@psulias.psu.edu> I've probably had 30 times more CD-Rs go bad than tapes, and I've been making tapes a lot longer. It's not just the disks, but disk incompatibility with CD players. A lot of older CD players don't read CDRs period, some won't read 80 min disks, some will skip around. There is a a lot more issues with CD-Rs than just stability of the medium. Usually the worst thing that will happen to a cassette is the pad falling off, or a couple seconds getting warped or garbled. Rarely will a tape become totally unplayable. >Yes, Taiyo Yuden is one of the best, I use them myself, but expensive? >...hardly, I buy mine at Neato.com and they are about $30 for a 100 cake box >of 52x 700mb siver/blue Tayo Uden CDR disks. That's about 30 cents a disk >for 80 minutes of music or up to ten hours of mp3 music, how much are the >best quality 90 minute cassettes? Ten to thirty times that cost, right? :~) > >Doane >-------------------------- > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Antoine Deschênes >Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 7:33 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE : [naktalk] Convergence > > >CD-Rs last 2-3-years... > >There are only 2 brands that don't, but they're expensive and no one buy >them. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim DataLifePlus. > >But tapes last more than the DataLife Plus(they last 20 years) > >Fred Lifton a écrit : >This ridiculous buzzword--"convergence"-- has been wallowing about in >electronics marketing speak for the last several years. Every year at CES >(the huge consumer electronics show in Vegas) a bunch of companies trot out >their latest cell-phone-refrigerator-CDRW-internet appliance and every year >the consumers hold their noses and stay away in hordes. That guy at Dolby is >a moron, he's obviously drunk too much of the 9.1 Digital Surround kool-aid. > > >In 3-5 years, when all these newly burned CDR's flake out, we'll still be >enjoying our elegant sounding cassettes in all their 2 channel splendor. >Music is, first and foremost, made by humans and I think there will always >be at least some humans who aren't willing to give all music-making over to >the computers. Come to think of it, I bet that Dolby rep was a computer. > > >cheers, >F > > >On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:15 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > >Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little value >because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and computers >are seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" for >consumers. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Antoine Deschênes > > >Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Apr 17 16:08:51 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:08:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <20060417011931.83519.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060417011931.83519.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417100632.01adc238@psulias.psu.edu> The digital recording media that came out 7 or 8 years ago was far superior to the crap we have now. My Philips CDR760 made tremendous recordings from analog, but unfortunately cannot write effectively to 80min disks, which is of course all that you can buy anymore. All the reviews of read of currently available CDR recorders, short of $700 pro machines, are pretty poor. You can't buy anything resembling decent blank media in a store. At 09:19 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >That guy, is an example, of the ignorance created by the sub-standard >products creeping into our markets. Now they've managed to shoe-horn a 10 >Mpix camera inside a mobile phone. When I look at the lens, it looks worse >then a kids toy telescope. But people think this is cool, this is quality. >They just don't know what they are missing. > >The age has come for devices to communicate, but people have been doing it >the wrong way. Communication has to be functional. If I can turn on my CR7 >from the shower, thats convergence. If I take a nice song, squash it, >stretch it into machine code, and pipe it all around the house along side >power lines, thats abuse.Life is simply too short for bad music. Shorter >still when you realize there's only so many years your ears are at their >prime to listen to good music. > >Bala >79Labs From rob at rhoag.com Mon Apr 17 16:18:01 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:18:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning Naks and solvents In-Reply-To: <001c01c661d9$5d1e4460$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: LOL, thanks Martin! I was wondering why I was sort of spaced out as a kid when I was building all those plastic models and dopeing those tissue paper and balsa wood WWI figher planes! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Martin Short Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning Naks and solvents "OK, I still would choose to use acetone over mek. No point in beating this to death.. Martin Short can correct me if I'm wrong. Both are extremely flammable though, as well as being a health hazard. For our Naks, the 90% rubbing alcohol should do for most cleaning purposes and it a LOT safer, as was mentioned in earlier threads." Agree, though Acetone is both more volatile and less aggressive than MEK. If it works for you that is fine, but I find it to fast evaporating and is not effective at deglazing rubber. Same handling rules apply (ventilation etc) though it is less hazardous to your health. I ONLY use MEK sparingly for deglazing rubber components, that is on pinch rollers, belts, and idler wheels, usually when I do not have a replacement part handy, or when tidying up a newly acquired tape deck ( you probably wouldn't be surprised at how many people do not look after their decks very well, and I usually find pinch roller and capstans encrusted in oxide, for which MEK is the king at removing). 99% of you out there in Nak land with one or two decks would probably have no use for the stuff!. For everything else, ie: regular day to day cleaning , I use Iso propyl alcohol ( aka: IPA, Isopropanol). Just a quick note on a couple of the other solvents mentioned earlier, neither of which have any place in Nakamichi maintenance: Methylene Chloride: the principle component of most solvent based paint strippers... use on your Nak only if you want a new one .. Tetrahydrofuran: (THF) is more commonly available than you think. Every shoe repair store probably has some, though they may not know it... a good solvent for cleaning Polyurethanes prior to gluing eg: shoe soles. Cannot think of any reason why you would use this. (Also can be used for hardcore more so than recreational drug manufacture if that is your want. :o{ . personally good music does it for me, even better if via a Nak ) Martin NZ Recreational Nak user. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Apr 17 16:24:12 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:24:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <44414EC4.30307@woods-and-waters.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060413110118.01b0d3d0@psulias.psu.edu> <443E6C46.6090801@yahoo.ca> <44414EC4.30307@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417101249.042834f8@psulias.psu.edu> Gee, he sounds like a great guy! ;) So you can't even get a playback lic.? Doesn't Dolby like to make money? What a tool. I'm sure there are far more effective NR schemes that can be made cheaply these days (ala Pioneer's various NRs) so the only big issue would be playback. You could probably synthesize something that would reverse Dolby effects without breaking their copyright. Anywho, if you keep the price in the $1000 range, I'd certainly buy one. My big reluctance with shelling out big bucks for decks is that repairs are so hard to effect, that $1000 may buy me a great deck for a month, a year, five years, who knows. A brand new deck (especially a direct drive deck) that will last me, from the sounds of it, damn near a lifetime, is worth $1000. This is the main reason I've never laid out huge bucks for a CD player. Something always seems to go wrong within a few years, and it's always expensive to fix or "discontinued", or doesn't play the new medium du jour. Digital in theory is great, but I have tapes I still listen to that I made when I was playing Donkey Kong on my Apple IIe computer. If you hadn't guessed, I am not playing that version of Donkey Kong any longer. Sure it was compatible with the Apple IIgs, but the next gen, the McIntosh, didn't support it. Sooner or later "Disks" (DVD, CD, whatever) will no longer be the cool fad, and all those CDs you have will need to be reformatted to USB sticks or sub-cutaneous microchips or whatever. :) At 03:51 PM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >Hey Antoine, Derrick, Alex, Ken, Marc, Doane, Ron, and all others >who've suggested that Dolby would be a good, even mandatory, feature for >a cassette deck. > >Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? Licenses! >>(Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big companies. I >>don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses to Kermit's KVG Labs. > >Antoine, you're the smartest guy here. When I spoke to Dolby this past >Thursday they informed me that they are not granting new licenses, nor >accepting new licensees for B, C, and S implemetations except for >play-only circuits in car stereo applications. > >In fact, the person I spoke to told me bluntly that I was stupid to >contemplate manufacturing a new high-end cassette deck and that the >product would fail. He rather snidely remarked that the "established" high >end companies like Nakamichi, Revox and others had long since "wised up" >and quit making cassette decks. No one wants cassettes except for spoken >word, and even that market is dying, he added. Besides, according to this >person, cassette decks are of little value because of today's audio >"convergence" where audio, telvision and computers are seamlessly blended >into one convenient "multimedia solution" for consumers. So, no one wants >cassettes except for old people and a "kook fringe of digiphobes, like >those suckers who still buy LPs." The person also stated that the "tech >savvy" youth consumer market especially doesn't want cassettes. > >Antoine, you're a "tech savvy youth consumer," so what do you think? > >I will speak to Dolby again in a week or so, and definitely will be sure >to talk to someone else at the company, but it looks like the cassette >deck will have to use the outboard Dolby 422 processor. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 17 16:28:18 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:28:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Noise reduction options In-Reply-To: <44439B7E.1030400@yahoo.ca> References: <3.0.3.32.20060416155618.0081d810@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060417064832.00b317f8@pop.earthlink.net> <44439B7E.1030400@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4443A602.8070600@rcn.com> I would be hesitant to violate a patent. In order to be compatible with Dolby B or C it would have to have the same algorithm with the same characteristics -- exactly what the patent protects. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Other options? A Dolby NR-"compatible" noise reduction system. > > It would need a completely different way to "encode"/"decode" the format > but would do the same thing. > > Antoine > > Tom Brucker a écrit : >> Kermit is stuck. It seems Dolby has drawn a line in the sand. Kermit >> opts for external NR processors, but are there processors available >> currently in production? >> What other options exist. JVC ANRS and Super ANRS were supposed to be >> compatible in playback. Has anyone verified this? >> Hi Com was mentioned. I knew Nakamichi had a stand alone system for >> the MR2, but I had lost the name. Hi Com was created by Telefunken. Is >> it in any way compatible?Would Kermit's deck be marketable with Dolby >> playback only? >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 06:24 PM 4/16/2006 -0400, you wrote: >> >>>> >> Just looking, NE645 seems to be for B&C. >> >> Discrete could be a solution, but, $$$. >> >> Not being able to get new ICs might be a reason to have no Dolby. >> >> I thought about it the other day. Even if the deck is able to record >> with less noise, will other decks be playing well enough so that Dolby >> isn't even needed? >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From rob at rhoag.com Mon Apr 17 16:42:39 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:42:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak documentation by Dean In-Reply-To: <444375D3.10404@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Thanks Dean, and Wouter: The pdf 1x-Dean.pdf is the LX3 and LX5 brochure.. great find as I have a LX5. Looking at it I noticed Nak used to sell a "SF-10" subsonic filter set in the form of two small inline RCA connectors. There isn't too much room in there can anyone guess what the circuitry was? Sounds like it was a very simple, steep, cutoff filter circuit, but I'm curious what the cutoff frequency was. Thanks, Doane ------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 4:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak documentation by Dean Hi All, Here are the documents supplied by Dean! Manuals: http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/BX-100_OwnersManual.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/BX-125_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/BX-2_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/BX-300_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/N480_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/RX202_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/RX505_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/O-880310A_recommended_cassette_tapes.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/O-880905L_important_note_on_cleaning.pdf Brochures: http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/DR1-2-3_Brochure-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/RE1-2-3_Brochure-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/S-8211100C_lx-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/S-8311600A_rx-202-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/DEAN/S-8501200G_rx-202-Dean.pdf Enjoy, Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I quickly set him right about how many variations cds spun off (XRCD? HDCD?..) and how much was done before it sounded more acceptable. Then came SACD, DVD-A and now theres fight over Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. And everytime they come up with a 'secure' content management system, some hacker kid shows how it can be broken within the time he does his day's homework. Digital Gramaphone anyone? Bala 79Labs Derrick Beckner wrote: The digital recording media that came out 7 or 8 years ago was far superior to the crap we have now. My Philips CDR760 made tremendous recordings from analog, but unfortunately cannot write effectively to 80min disks, which is of course all that you can buy anymore. All the reviews of read of currently available CDR recorders, short of $700 pro machines, are pretty poor. You can't buy anything resembling decent blank media in a store. At 09:19 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >That guy, is an example, of the ignorance created by the sub-standard >products creeping into our markets. Now they've managed to shoe-horn a 10 >Mpix camera inside a mobile phone. When I look at the lens, it looks worse >then a kids toy telescope. But people think this is cool, this is quality. >They just don't know what they are missing. > >The age has come for devices to communicate, but people have been doing it >the wrong way. Communication has to be functional. If I can turn on my CR7 >from the shower, thats convergence. If I take a nice song, squash it, >stretch it into machine code, and pipe it all around the house along side >power lines, thats abuse.Life is simply too short for bad music. Shorter >still when you realize there's only so many years your ears are at their >prime to listen to good music. > >Bala >79Labs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Mon Apr 17 16:57:24 2006 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVBRHG) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:57:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape References: <44421B88.8000407@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <005d01c6622f$3cdae040$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> I have a Nak 680 ZX. it has a 15 hz test tone to adjust the record bias. I could record this on a tape. Would this help? I am not an electronics dude, so I may be way out in the woods!!! Randall, Seattle From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 17 17:01:30 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:01:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Noise reduction options In-Reply-To: <4443A602.8070600@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060416155618.0081d810@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060417064832.00b317f8@pop.earthlink.net> <44439B7E.1030400@yahoo.ca> <4443A602.8070600@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4443ADCA.1020305@yahoo.ca> Oh, that's a problem. We'll have to wait for the patents to be 50 years old! Or find an other guy at Dolby. Ron a écrit : > I would be hesitant to violate a patent. In > order to be compatible with Dolby B or C it > would have to have the same algorithm with > the same characteristics -- exactly what the > patent protects. > > -- Ron > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> Other options? A Dolby NR-"compatible" noise reduction system. >> >> It would need a completely different way to "encode"/"decode" the >> format but would do the same thing. >> >> Antoine >> >> Tom Brucker a écrit : >>> Kermit is stuck. It seems Dolby has drawn a line in the sand. Kermit >>> opts for external NR processors, but are there processors available >>> currently in production? >>> What other options exist. JVC ANRS and Super ANRS were supposed to >>> be compatible in playback. Has anyone verified this? >>> Hi Com was mentioned. I knew Nakamichi had a stand alone system for >>> the MR2, but I had lost the name. Hi Com was created by Telefunken. >>> Is it in any way compatible?Would Kermit's deck be marketable with >>> Dolby playback only? >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> At 06:24 PM 4/16/2006 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>>> >>> Just looking, NE645 seems to be for B&C. >>> >>> Discrete could be a solution, but, $$$. >>> >>> Not being able to get new ICs might be a reason to have no Dolby. >>> >>> I thought about it the other day. Even if the deck is able to record >>> with less noise, will other decks be playing well enough so that >>> Dolby isn't even needed? From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 17 17:39:07 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:39:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417100632.01adc238@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: Are we saying it's easier to buy decent quality cassettes than decent quality blank CDs? Puzzled Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Derrick Beckner Sent: 17 April 2006 15:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Convergence The digital recording media that came out 7 or 8 years ago was far superior to the crap we have now. My Philips CDR760 made tremendous recordings from analog, but unfortunately cannot write effectively to 80min disks, which is of course all that you can buy anymore. All the reviews of read of currently available CDR recorders, short of $700 pro machines, are pretty poor. You can't buy anything resembling decent blank media in a store. From rob at rhoag.com Mon Apr 17 18:12:11 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:12:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417094244.01eb74f8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: Hi, Derrick: What problems do you have? Are they flaking like Antoine suggested, or just losing data? Are they kept in a house in a heated room, away from heat sources, sunlight, etc.? How are you storing them? Best way is in the CD cases vertical like books, but slip sleeves are fine if high quality and they should be stored vertically also, instead of laid flat or stacked flat. If you are having problems burning disks, that is most likely your CD burner, or even the software used, if you are using good quality disks, the problem would not be the CDs them selves. I can't remember the last time I had a bad burn and I'm using a 52x plain Jane unit that came with my Dell two years ago with Roxio EasyCD Creator 5. BUT, I burn music CDRs at 4x, as I have read that they can get small distortions at high speed burns, even on the best CD units. One other problem that can lead to bad disks is doing multi session disks CDR burns, or not finalizing them. And, we're talking CDR here, not CDRW, big difference. CDRW can have alot of problems of campatibility, etc. The fallacy of jumping to conclusions about CDs being unreliable is that if the disks were really bad, like you and Antoine are suggesting, they would be bad for everyone, so there is something else entering the picture that is causing your problems, right? Either something you are doing, or using, is bad, or the brand or quality of the CDRs you choose is not good. Anyway, I noticed that Antoine didn't comment on my answer to his remarks about problems and cost of CDs. The ToyoUden top of the line are NOT expensive, especially when you compare them against the cost of cassette storage, and they have a reputation as being the best, but you won't find them in a grocery store like you can with Maxell, etc. I see no point in not buying the best you can when they only cost about 30 cents a disk. Same thing when buying cassettes, buy the best, even if you have to spend $6-8 a cassette, instead of $2 I remember back in the late 70's buying cassettes made by a few companies, like Memorex that had mechanisms that would start sticking within a few years. Then I discovered TDK and Maxell, and Nakamichi decks, and have had very few problems with cassettes over the years, except for deck incompatibility of head alignment, Dolby, etc., and that was always a problem, even today. In fact, incompatibility, or cassette decks getting out of alignment with use can cause much more serious distortion to music cassette quality then any digiatal signal can with the complaints I hear about it being harsh sounding, etc. I think most of that is caused by the original recording session decisions and location, not by the digital process itself. You're backing up all your CDRs to cassette? You mean, your music CDR's? Hmmm... why not just buy an external hard drive and copy them to it if you are that worried about them going bad? You can get huge external USB2 hard drives now for less then a hundred dollars. I back up all my computer data and graphics work regularly to several of them as it's much faster then making DVD or CD copies and less hassle. I can't imagine copying CD music to cassettes in real time, that would really be a hassle. I'm sure my comments will start a lot of disagreement, but I think we need to be open minded about this and not just make comments and take them as factual. All the best, Doane ---------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Derrick Beckner Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 6:47 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE : [naktalk] Convergence I've had some pretty bad luck with CD-Rs as well. And I treat my CDs really well, you'd be hard pressed to find a scratch on any of them. The only true bulletproof brand I found was Kodak Gold, which of course isn't made anymore. Everything else has failed to one degree or another. I've been using Maxell Pro the last year of so, so far pretty good, but not flawless. Never tried the Verbatim Data Life Plus, but their run of the mill discs suck. I can't even get them to start to record half the time. I've begun backing up all my CDRs to cassette. Oh the irony... At 10:33 AM 4/16/2006, Antoine Deschênes wrote: >CD-Rs last 2-3-years... > >There are only 2 brands that don't, but they're expensive and no one buy >them. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim DataLifePlus. > >But tapes last more than the DataLife Plus(they last 20 years) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Mon Apr 17 18:53:35 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:53:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417100632.01adc238@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: I just got to this post by you, Derrick. Are you still using old CD burners? And you said you've been having all these problems with CDs not burning well, or going bad, etc.? Something is definitely wrong with your setup, hardware, software or something, you shouldn't be having any problems. If things were that bad like you suggest, everyone would be experiencing them, and that just is not happening. Where are you getting your information from, what reviews are all poor? Again, with music CDs it's best to burn at slow speed, no matter what burner you have. You can't buy good blank CDR disks in a "store?" ..what kind of store? If you can't find the Taiyo Yuden suggested earlier, just buy them on line, like I do and others do. They're probably less cost then the poor quality ones you find in grocery stores. Or were you talking about good blank cassette media? I agree with that, it's getting harder and harder to find good cassettes for sale anywhere anymore. Manufactures have stopped making my favorites like the TDK SAX, etc., that's very frustrating, I agree. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Derrick Beckner Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:09 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Convergence The digital recording media that came out 7 or 8 years ago was far superior to the crap we have now. My Philips CDR760 made tremendous recordings from analog, but unfortunately cannot write effectively to 80min disks, which is of course all that you can buy anymore. All the reviews of read of currently available CDR recorders, short of $700 pro machines, are pretty poor. You can't buy anything resembling decent blank media in a store. At 09:19 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >That guy, is an example, of the ignorance created by the sub-standard >products creeping into our markets. Now they've managed to shoe-horn a 10 >Mpix camera inside a mobile phone. When I look at the lens, it looks worse >then a kids toy telescope. But people think this is cool, this is quality. >They just don't know what they are missing. > >The age has come for devices to communicate, but people have been doing it >the wrong way. Communication has to be functional. If I can turn on my CR7 >from the shower, thats convergence. If I take a nice song, squash it, >stretch it into machine code, and pipe it all around the house along side >power lines, thats abuse.Life is simply too short for bad music. Shorter >still when you realize there's only so many years your ears are at their >prime to listen to good music. > >Bala >79Labs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Apr 17 19:38:00 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:38:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <20060417171710.18817.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417100632.01adc238@psulias.psu.edu> <20060417171710.18817.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417132855.01d831a8@psulias.psu.edu> Copy Protection! HA! As long as they make analog outs, I can make fantastic copies SACD, DVD-A, HDCD, whatever... right to my good old Nak. :) I could also copy it to my harddrive via analog inputs, but that introduces a bunch of other steps. Recording, track breaks, burning software, "trimming" the files, making sure default settings don't do something stupid (2 second breaks for instance). With cassette, I plop in a tape, take about a minute tweaking settings and levels, hit tape record, hit CD play, and come back whenever I feel like it. Flip, repeat (ok, so maybe program the CD tracks). If the recording is screwed up, I rewind and start over rather than chuck the useless CD across the room. CD and digital in general have lots of advantages, especially for convenience, mix "tapes", skipping tracks etc., but for a nice copy of an album (another lost concept) tape does just fine. > A sound engineer friend of mine was griping about how silly all this > various tape standards, speeds and configurations were. He found it so > laughable that we had to cal our machines. I quickly set him right about > how many variations cds spun off (XRCD? HDCD?..) and how much was done > before it sounded more acceptable. Then came SACD, DVD-A and now theres > fight over Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. And everytime they come up with a 'secure' > content management system, some hacker kid shows how it can be broken > within the time he does his day's homework. > >Digital Gramaphone anyone? > >Bala >79Labs From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Apr 17 19:39:07 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:39:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <20060417171710.18817.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417100632.01adc238@psulias.psu.edu> <20060417171710.18817.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417133807.044fc3d0@psulias.psu.edu> Oh yea, don't forget those little inserts in CDs back in the 80s.... "Home Recording is killing the Audio Industry" with a cassette and a cross through it. he-he, how quaint! >And everytime they come up with a 'secure' content management system, some >hacker kid shows how it can be broken within the time he does his day's >homework. > >Digital Gramaphone anyone? > >Bala >79Labs From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 17 20:28:51 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:28:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4443DE63.6000909@yahoo.ca> Doane Hoag a écrit : > Hi, Derrick: > > What problems do you have? Are they flaking like Antoine suggested, or just > losing data? > What I mean about dead CD-Rs is that I have some 3+ years old ones that just don't work in my CD-RW burner, but only in my CD-reader, and I sometimes have to re-insert them a couple of times to get something. You can't read the ATIP anymore on these discs also. They have to be read slowly, but the data is there. Fortunately, it's nothing important. > Are they kept in a house in a heated room, away from heat sources, sunlight, > etc.? > How are you storing them? Best way is in the CD cases vertical like books, > but slip sleeves are fine if high quality and they should be stored > vertically also, instead of laid flat or stacked flat. > > If you are having problems burning disks, that is most likely your CD > burner, or even the software used, if you are using good quality disks, the > problem would not be the CDs them selves. I can't remember the last time I > had a bad burn and I'm using a 52x plain Jane unit that came with my Dell > two years ago with Roxio EasyCD Creator 5. BUT, I burn music CDRs at 4x, as > I have read that they can get small distortions at high speed burns, even on > the best CD units. > I read that fast speeds make low quality burns because the CD itself can't take it very well(It's too fast). I also read that too slow speeds could cause problems. > One other problem that can lead to bad disks is doing multi session disks > CDR burns, or not finalizing them. > not finalizing them... They're good once you finalize them tho. > And, we're talking CDR here, not CDRW, big difference. CDRW can have alot of > problems of campatibility, etc. > > The fallacy of jumping to conclusions about CDs being unreliable is that if > the disks were really bad, like you and Antoine are suggesting, they would > be bad for everyone, so there is something else entering the picture that is > causing your problems, right? Either something you are doing, or using, is > bad, or the brand or quality of the CDRs you choose is not good. > Most CD-Rs are cheap low-quality generic ones. Taiyo Yuden and all these are "exceptions". My B- grade Riteks(Described at the top of this mail) are not going very well anymore. > Anyway, I noticed that Antoine didn't comment on my answer to his remarks > about problems and cost of CDs. The ToyoUden top of the line are NOT > expensive, Depends, get them in the ordinary Staples or Future Shop and they will (But, there's one place where they're cheap, about $15 for 100, and I'm sure they are counterfeit) > especially when you compare them against the cost of cassette > storage, and they have a reputation as being the best, but you won't find > them in a grocery store like you can with Maxell, etc. No, that's the problem. Those that can be found everywhere don't last long. > I see no point in not > buying the best you can when they only cost about 30 cents a disk. Same > thing when buying cassettes, buy the best, even if you have to spend $6-8 a > cassette, instead of $2 > Quantegy 472's not too pricey... > I remember back in the late 70's buying cassettes made by a few companies, > like Memorex that had mechanisms that would start sticking within a few > years. Then I discovered TDK and Maxell, and Nakamichi decks, and have had > very few problems with cassettes over the years, except for deck > incompatibility of head alignment, Dolby, etc., and that was always a > problem, even today. In fact, incompatibility, or cassette decks getting out > of alignment with use can cause much more serious distortion to music > cassette quality then any digiatal signal can with the complaints I hear > about it being harsh sounding, etc. I think most of that is caused by the > original recording session decisions and location, not by the digital > process itself. > Yup, digital sounds a lot better for the price. But once you have a very good analog setup, it costs more to get a digital setup that sounds better. > You're backing up all your CDRs to cassette? You mean, your music CDR's? > Hmmm... why not just buy an external hard drive and copy them to it if you > are that worried about them going bad? You can get huge external USB2 hard > drives now for less then a hundred dollars. I back up all my computer data > and graphics work regularly to several of them as it's much faster then > making DVD or CD copies and less hassle. I can't imagine copying CD music to > cassettes in real time, that would really be a hassle. > Tape to CD is too! An HDD would be a better choice, since you keep it digital. The only thing is to be sure that it will not fall on the floor, or sit next to a big magnet. > I'm sure my comments will start a lot of disagreement, but I think we need > to be open minded about this and not just make comments and take them as > factual. > > All the best, > Doane > > ---------------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 6:47 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE : [naktalk] Convergence > > > I've had some pretty bad luck with CD-Rs as well. And I treat my CDs > really well, you'd be hard pressed to find a scratch on any of them. The > only true bulletproof brand I found was Kodak Gold, which of course isn't > made anymore. Everything else has failed to one degree or another. > I've been using Maxell Pro the last year of so, so far pretty good, but not > flawless. > > Never tried the Verbatim Data Life Plus, but their run of the mill discs > suck. I can't even get them to start to record half the time. > > I've begun backing up all my CDRs to cassette. Oh the irony... > > > At 10:33 AM 4/16/2006, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> CD-Rs last 2-3-years... >> >> There are only 2 brands that don't, but they're expensive and no one buy >> them. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim DataLifePlus. >> >> But tapes last more than the DataLife Plus(they last 20 years) >> From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Apr 17 20:29:30 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:29:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417100632.01adc238@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417142817.044fa898@psulias.psu.edu> I don't know what "we" are saying, but all I'm saying is that you can't buy high quality CD-Rs in retail stores anymore. And I certainly can't find high quality, 74 min, CDR-Audio disks anywhere. At 11:39 AM 4/17/2006, you wrote: >Are we saying it's easier to buy decent quality cassettes than decent >quality blank CDs? > >Puzzled Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Derrick Beckner >Sent: 17 April 2006 15:09 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Convergence > > >The digital recording media that came out 7 or 8 years ago was far superior >to the crap we have now. My Philips CDR760 made tremendous recordings from >analog, but unfortunately cannot write effectively to 80min disks, which is >of course all that you can buy anymore. All the reviews of read of >currently available CDR recorders, short of $700 pro machines, are pretty >poor. > >You can't buy anything resembling decent blank media in a store. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 17 20:38:08 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:38:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417132855.01d831a8@psulias.psu.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417100632.01adc238@psulias.psu.edu> <20060417171710.18817.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060417132855.01d831a8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <4443E090.9060002@yahoo.ca> Derrick Beckner a écrit : > Copy Protection! HA! > As long as they make analog outs, I can make fantastic copies SACD, > DVD-A, HDCD, whatever... right to my good old Nak. :) > > I could also copy it to my harddrive via analog inputs, but that > introduces a bunch of other steps. Recording, track breaks, burning > software, "trimming" the files, making sure default settings don't do > something stupid (2 second breaks for instance). Pioneer DVD-A/SACD compatible DVD players with 5.1 outputs convert DSD to 24-bit / 88.2kHz PCM I2S signal to feed the DACs. You then need to get 3 synchronized soundcards(Doh!) for 5.1, and record this on your computer. (Plus an I2S to SPDIF converter because only the 16-bit SBLive has an I2S input, but doesn't support 24-bit...) > With cassette, I plop in a tape, take about a minute tweaking settings > and levels, hit tape record, hit CD play, and come back whenever I > feel like it. Flip, repeat (ok, so maybe program the CD tracks). If > the recording is screwed up, I rewind and start over rather than chuck > the useless CD across the room. > > CD and digital in general have lots of advantages, especially for > convenience, mix "tapes", skipping tracks etc., but for a nice copy of > an album (another lost concept) tape does just fine. > > >> A sound engineer friend of mine was griping about how silly all this >> various tape standards, speeds and configurations were. He found it >> so laughable that we had to cal our machines. I quickly set him right >> about how many variations cds spun off (XRCD? HDCD?..) and how much >> was done before it sounded more acceptable. Then came SACD, DVD-A and >> now theres fight over Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. And everytime they come up >> with a 'secure' content management system, some hacker kid shows how >> it can be broken within the time he does his day's homework. >> >> Digital Gramaphone anyone? >> >> Bala >> 79Labs From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Apr 17 20:43:39 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:43:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417100632.01adc238@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417143003.04514d40@psulias.psu.edu> My computer CD burner is a Yamaha 24x that is maybe three years old. It won't read a fair number of cheap CD-R media. I use Nero for the burning software, and most of the time it's fine, but once in a while it'll gag on a disk and ruin it. I have a Soundblaster Platinum sound card with digital I/O which does a fantastic job recording from analog. My computer is old, about 9 years, so incompatibility with software is going to become an issue, but it works fine for everything else I need, so I'm sure as hell not going to buy a whole new computer to burn CDs. I loved my Philips CDR760, a first gen (I think) component CD burner which made awesome recordings, but doesn't work with 80 minute CD-Rs. It is also impossible, I believe literally, to find 74 minute CD-R audio disks anymore. If I could get that to work I'd be a happy camper. The reviews I've read of newer Sony and other CD recorders have indicated very poor ergonomics and a very low ratio of completed burns. Not encouraging. My old Nak CD player didn't read CD-R period. My old NAD didn't read 80 min CDRs, period. My new Philips CD/DVD does just fine for the most part. Some CD-Rs work fine in some CD players (car/computer/home/whatever), others don't, a few of them don't work at all. Just tired of playing russian roulette with my recordings. I burn most of my CDs at 1x or 2x. We have Best Buy, Circuit City, Office Depot, a local hi-fi store, they all carry either Sony or Memorex, which suck hell, or Maxell (pretty good) or the generic garbage disks. Call me old fashioned, but I don't want to have to buy blank CDs on-line. I can still at least get Maxell XLIIs or TDK D tapes locally. If I ever need anymore tapes, I've got probably 200 laying around I can use. I think many people aren't reporting problems because they haven't been burning CDs for close to 10 years now. Many, many disks I got in trades are unusable now (%40 I'd say) and a fair number of disks I made have gone bad when using brands such as Memorex, Sony, Imation, and older Maxell. I never bought bargain basement CD-Rs. Never heard of Taiyo Yuden. Are they sold under an alias? At 12:53 PM 4/17/2006, you wrote: >I just got to this post by you, Derrick. Are you still using old CD burners? >And you said you've been having all these problems with CDs not burning >well, or going bad, etc.? Something is definitely wrong with your setup, >hardware, software or something, you shouldn't be having any problems. If >things were that bad like you suggest, everyone would be experiencing them, >and that just is not happening. Where are you getting your information from, >what reviews are all poor? Again, with music CDs it's best to burn at slow >speed, no matter what burner you have. > >You can't buy good blank CDR disks in a "store?" ..what kind of store? If >you can't find the Taiyo Yuden suggested earlier, just buy them on line, >like I do and others do. They're probably less cost then the poor quality >ones you find in grocery stores. Or were you talking about good blank >cassette media? I agree with that, it's getting harder and harder to find >good cassettes for sale anywhere anymore. Manufactures have stopped making >my favorites like the TDK SAX, etc., that's very frustrating, I agree. > >Doane > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Derrick Beckner >Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:09 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Convergence > > >The digital recording media that came out 7 or 8 years ago was far superior >to the crap we have now. My Philips CDR760 made tremendous recordings from >analog, but unfortunately cannot write effectively to 80min disks, which is >of course all that you can buy anymore. All the reviews of read of >currently available CDR recorders, short of $700 pro machines, are pretty >poor. > >You can't buy anything resembling decent blank media in a store. > >At 09:19 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: > >That guy, is an example, of the ignorance created by the sub-standard > >products creeping into our markets. Now they've managed to shoe-horn a 10 > >Mpix camera inside a mobile phone. When I look at the lens, it looks worse > >then a kids toy telescope. But people think this is cool, this is quality. > >They just don't know what they are missing. > > > >The age has come for devices to communicate, but people have been doing it > >the wrong way. Communication has to be functional. If I can turn on my CR7 > >from the shower, thats convergence. If I take a nice song, squash it, > >stretch it into machine code, and pipe it all around the house along side > >power lines, thats abuse.Life is simply too short for bad music. Shorter > >still when you realize there's only so many years your ears are at their > >prime to listen to good music. > > > >Bala > >79Labs > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 17 21:04:49 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:04:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <20060416193831.40588.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not always...depends which type? ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE : Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:38:31 -0400 (EDT) > >$200 each. > >Alex Cozac a �crit : Hi Antoine! > >You wrote...>I hope you're not going to put NOS Mullards in there!< > >WHY not....the BEST!!! > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Antoine Desch�nes > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > >Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:48:04 -0400 > > > >All-tube, analog VUs($20-30 each?), this thing will cost a LOT of $$$ !!! > > > >I hope you're not going to put NOS Mullards in there! > > > >Kermit V. Gray a �crit : > >>Hey Antoine, Derrick, Alex, Ken, Marc, Doane, Ron, and all others who've > >>suggested that Dolby would be a good, even mandatory, feature for a > >>cassette deck. > >> > >>Antoine Desch�nes wrote: > >>>All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? Licenses! > >>>(Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big companies. >I > >>>don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses to Kermit's KVG > >>>Labs. > >> > >>Antoine, you're the smartest guy here. When I spoke to Dolby this past > >>Thursday they informed me that they are not granting new licenses, nor > >>accepting new licensees for B, C, and S implemetations except for > >>play-only circuits in car stereo applications. > >Where are Pioneer and JVC getting their license? Do they keep the same >old > >ones? > > > >Dolby would be used for playback of old tapes. You could put only >play-only > >circuits in the deck. Why have the recording circuits if it wouldn't need > >it? Any players can play Dolby-free. > > > >It's a car stereo tape player going in the back of the car. ;-) > > > >The only problem would be to get good Dolby ICs ... > > > >Better keep things simple ; An external module. > >> > >>In fact, the person I spoke to told me bluntly that I was stupid to > >>contemplate manufacturing a new high-end cassette deck and that the > >>product would fail. > >The guy probably haven't noticed it's not for mass-market. > >>He rather snidely remarked that the "established" high end companies >like > >>Nakamichi, Revox and others had long since "wised up" and quit making > >>cassette decks. No one wants cassettes except for spoken word, and even > >>that market is dying, he added. > >Sure! Any average Joe thinks that cassettes are bad sounding, because > >marketing from big companies too care of this. > >>Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little value > >>because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and > >>computers are seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia >solution" > >>for consumers. So, no one wants cassettes except for old people and a > >>"kook fringe of digiphobes, like those suckers who still buy LPs." > >Tell him that there are still some bands that produce LPs! Dolby would be > >losing money if people would return to analog, because they have lots of > >digital (Or non-analog if you prefer) technology. > >>The person also stated that the "tech savvy" youth consumer market > >>especially doesn't want cassettes. > >> > >>Antoine, you're a "tech savvy youth consumer," so what do you think? > >That I'm the only "crazy one" that would want one. Most people say that > >they can't make a difference between an MP3 and a CD. The only thing they > >matter about is convenience : CD is obsolete now. Their gods are portable > >MP3 players... > > > >What someone would have to do would be to make cassette more present in >the > >recording industry. It's almost the only solution I can think of to still > >be able to get blank cassettes in a few years. Why can we still buy reel > >tapes? Because it's still used for recording. > >>I will speak to Dolby again in a week or so, and definitely will be sure > >>to talk to someone else at the company, > >You might fall on an other marketing brain-washed MP3 player dependent >guy. > >>but it looks like the cassette deck will have to use the outboard Dolby > >>422 processor. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Antoine Desch�nes > >--------------------------------- >L�che-vitrine ou l�che-�cran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 17 21:07:51 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:07:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted In-Reply-To: <20060416195821.CEUQ14554.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Message-ID: Roland! It's OK..Kannan will provide you a superb working unit...only be patiently! Good Luck, ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:58:21 -0400 > >Alex, > >That was me, Roland, who did not understand, but I do understand now. I've >exchanged emails with kannan on the deck that he has in his possession. > > > > > > From: "Alex Cozac" > > Date: 2006/04/16 Sun AM 04:53:47 EDT > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > > > > Hi Jerry! > > > > Seems me that you don't understand well what Kannan wrote...! His Dragon > > need some minor reparation/tune up...HE WILL do it...& only after that >will > > 100% working conditions you will be able to buy it. You understand that >YOU > > need to make the reparations/tuning...NO...NO...I think that I recall > > correctly what Kannan means. > > > > Be patiently, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > > >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 0:42:46 -0400 > > > > > >Sorry, it must not need any work and be ready to go. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > > > > Date: 2006/04/15 Sat PM 10:44:55 EDT > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > > > > > > > > I have a Dragon - needs a little work - mainly Cam mode / and >another > > >belt change, Plus final alignment and checking - going to ebay very >soon ( > > >may be within two months). It is in great shape compared to many >dragons > > >that I had seen. I want you to let me know your ball park figure for >your > > >purchase and waht is that you are looking for. > > > > If I were to look for a Dragon - I will not bother about >exzpensive > > >Remote ( you can rig up your own than wired remote costing couple of > > >hundreds) but some thing seriuosly looked in to alignment and functions > > >Plus new belts. This Deck has all these. Let me know what do you want >it > > >for? > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > > > > I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few >of > > >you can be trusted. > > > > > > > > Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and >lastly > > >a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. > > > > > > > > I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying need >for > > >a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of desirable decks > > >with the ZX9 on its heals. > > > > > > > > Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great > > >shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original >purchase. > > > > > > > > Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal will > > >have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1�/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using >Yahoo! > > >Messenger with Voice. > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rondo at nottltd.com Mon Apr 17 21:31:36 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:31:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060413110118.01b0d3d0@psulias.psu.edu><443E6C46.6090801@yahoo.ca> <44414EC4.30307@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <01d501c66255$8aaec6d0$6401a8c0@Rondo> You might look into the Patent dates. For B & C, those patents may have expired and you could then construct your own Dolby. Dolby S, being newer may have a few more years before its' patent expires. Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray Antoine Deschênes wrote: > All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? Licenses! > (Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big companies. I > don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses to Kermit's KVG Labs. Antoine, you're the smartest guy here. When I spoke to Dolby this past Thursday they informed me that they are not granting new licenses, nor accepting new licensees for B, C, and S implemetations except for play-only circuits in car stereo applications. I will speak to Dolby again in a week or so, and definitely will be sure to talk to someone else at the company, but it looks like the cassette deck will have to use the outboard Dolby 422 processor. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 22:58:09 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Archival CD's In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417143003.04514d40@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20060417205809.36037.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another excellent archival CD (also DVD) blank disc is made by Mitsui. I believe they are only available from their web site. http://store.mam-a-store.com/standard---archive-gold.html# The Silver blanks are standard life. Only their Gold blanks are archival and they run about $1.55 each in 25 piece quantities. SJ --- Derrick Beckner wrote: > My computer CD burner is a Yamaha 24x that is maybe three years > old. It > won't read a fair number of cheap CD-R media. I use Nero for the > burning > software, and most of the time it's fine, but once in a while it'll > gag on > a disk and ruin it. I have a Soundblaster Platinum sound card with > digital > I/O which does a fantastic job recording from analog. My computer > is old, > about 9 years, so incompatibility with software is going to become > an > issue, but it works fine for everything else I need, so I'm sure as > hell > not going to buy a whole new computer to burn CDs. > > I loved my Philips CDR760, a first gen (I think) component CD > burner which > made awesome recordings, but doesn't work with 80 minute CD-Rs. It > is also > impossible, I believe literally, to find 74 minute CD-R audio disks > > anymore. If I could get that to work I'd be a happy camper. The > reviews > I've read of newer Sony and other CD recorders have indicated very > poor > ergonomics and a very low ratio of completed burns. Not > encouraging. > > My old Nak CD player didn't read CD-R period. My old NAD didn't > read 80 > min CDRs, period. My new Philips CD/DVD does just fine for the > most > part. Some CD-Rs work fine in some CD players > (car/computer/home/whatever), others don't, a few of them don't > work at > all. Just tired of playing russian roulette with my recordings. > > I burn most of my CDs at 1x or 2x. > > We have Best Buy, Circuit City, Office Depot, a local hi-fi store, > they all > carry either Sony or Memorex, which suck hell, or Maxell (pretty > good) or > the generic garbage disks. Call me old fashioned, but I don't want > to have > to buy blank CDs on-line. I can still at least get Maxell XLIIs or > TDK D > tapes locally. If I ever need anymore tapes, I've got probably 200 > laying > around I can use. > > I think many people aren't reporting problems because they haven't > been > burning CDs for close to 10 years now. Many, many disks I got in > trades > are unusable now (%40 I'd say) and a fair number of disks I made > have gone > bad when using brands such as Memorex, Sony, Imation, and older > Maxell. I > never bought bargain basement CD-Rs. > Never heard of Taiyo Yuden. Are they sold under an alias? > > At 12:53 PM 4/17/2006, you wrote: > >I just got to this post by you, Derrick. Are you still using old > CD burners? > >And you said you've been having all these problems with CDs not > burning > >well, or going bad, etc.? Something is definitely wrong with your > setup, > >hardware, software or something, you shouldn't be having any > problems. If > >things were that bad like you suggest, everyone would be > experiencing them, > >and that just is not happening. Where are you getting your > information from, > >what reviews are all poor? Again, with music CDs it's best to burn > at slow > >speed, no matter what burner you have. > > > >You can't buy good blank CDR disks in a "store?" ..what kind of > store? If > >you can't find the Taiyo Yuden suggested earlier, just buy them on > line, > >like I do and others do. They're probably less cost then the poor > quality > >ones you find in grocery stores. Or were you talking about good > blank > >cassette media? I agree with that, it's getting harder and harder > to find > >good cassettes for sale anywhere anymore. Manufactures have > stopped making > >my favorites like the TDK SAX, etc., that's very frustrating, I > agree. > > > >Doane > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf Of Derrick Beckner > >Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:09 AM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Convergence > > > > > >The digital recording media that came out 7 or 8 years ago was far > superior > >to the crap we have now. My Philips CDR760 made tremendous > recordings from > >analog, but unfortunately cannot write effectively to 80min disks, > which is > >of course all that you can buy anymore. All the reviews of read > of > >currently available CDR recorders, short of $700 pro machines, are > pretty > >poor. > > > >You can't buy anything resembling decent blank media in a store. > > > >At 09:19 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: > > >That guy, is an example, of the ignorance created by the > sub-standard > > >products creeping into our markets. Now they've managed to > shoe-horn a 10 > > >Mpix camera inside a mobile phone. When I look at the lens, it > looks worse > > >then a kids toy telescope. But people think this is cool, this > is quality. > > >They just don't know what they are missing. > > > > > >The age has come for devices to communicate, but people have > been doing it > > >the wrong way. Communication has to be functional. If I can turn > on my CR7 > > >from the shower, thats convergence. If I take a nice song, > squash it, > > >stretch it into machine code, and pipe it all around the house > along side > > >power lines, thats abuse.Life is simply too short for bad music. > Shorter > > >still when you realize there's only so many years your ears are > at their > > >prime to listen to good music. > > > > > >Bala > > >79Labs > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Apr 17 20:59:54 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:59:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417094244.01eb74f8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417144756.0454e6b0@psulias.psu.edu> The problem is some don't play on certain CD players. Some don't play at all. Some have glitches on certain CD players. No physical damage to them at all. I keep them all in jewel cases in storage racks. The problems aren't immediate. It usually takes years to develop. A CDR I made 8 years ago will just one day not play at all. And it pisses me off. I don't want to spend a whole slew of money again. I have two perfectly good cassette decks, lots of tapes, why would I want to spend even more money on a CD recorder or external hard drive that may or may not last a year or two? I have a record player, two tape decks and a VCR that I KNOW will play whatever I put into it or on it. Can't say the same about the CD or DVD players I've had over the years. Especially with rental DVDs that look like they were at Tobruk with Rommel. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 17 22:21:14 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:21:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4443F8BA.9030106@yahoo.ca> A pair of EL84 by example... Or Mullard 10M 12AX7s. But power tubes aren't used in a cassette deck... An ordinary Mullard 12AX7 is $70. The Mullard 12AX7 reissue by Groove Tubes is much cheaper, and is the same thing for $25. Alex Cozac a écrit : > Not always...depends which type? > > ALEX! >> From: Antoine Deschênes >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE : Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:38:31 -0400 (EDT) >> >> $200 each. >> >> Alex Cozac a écrit : Hi Antoine! >> >> You wrote...>I hope you're not going to put NOS Mullards in there!< >> >> WHY not....the BEST!!! >> >> ALEX! From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 17 22:30:48 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:30:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Noise reduction options In-Reply-To: <4443ADCA.1020305@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Well, the guy at Dolby is obviously a dog and seven dog years are equal to one human year, so the 50 years should already be up!! Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 17 April 2006 16:02 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: RE : Re: [naktalk]Noise reduction options Oh, that's a problem. We'll have to wait for the patents to be 50 years old! Or find an other guy at Dolby. Ron a écrit : > I would be hesitant to violate a patent. In > order to be compatible with Dolby B or C it > would have to have the same algorithm with > the same characteristics -- exactly what the > patent protects. > > -- Ron > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 17 22:50:00 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:50:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Doane Why should the speed matter when you're recording digitally. or have I missed the point? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 17 April 2006 17:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Convergence Again, with music CDs it's best to burn at slow speed, no matter what burner you have. Doane From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 17 22:50:02 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:50:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <4443DE63.6000909@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: All this talk about incompatible CDs and players amuses me - I've got a several record decks and all my records play on them!! Grinham From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 17 22:50:03 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:50:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417142817.044fa898@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: But you can buy (with difficulty) decent cassettes, Derrick? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Derrick Beckner Sent: 17 April 2006 19:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Convergence I don't know what "we" are saying, but all I'm saying is that you can't buy high quality CD-Rs in retail stores anymore. And I certainly can't find high quality, 74 min, CDR-Audio disks anywhere. At 11:39 AM 4/17/2006, you wrote: >Are we saying it's easier to buy decent quality cassettes than decent >quality blank CDs? > >Puzzled Gra' > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 17 22:49:59 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:49:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is worth remembering that IBM claim burned CDs have a shoter life than mag' tape. See: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,124312,00.asp Admittedly, we are talking about a different quality of CD. But its worth considering the mag tape used for data storage these days is very similar to those for DAT recorders ... indeed, they are interchangeable. I'm sure none of us would think DAT were a better storage medium than a decent C90 chrome cassette. Gra' From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 17 22:50:05 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:50:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <01d501c66255$8aaec6d0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: As I recall, Dolby S came out about 2 years before Nakamichi stopped production of the CR7 and Dragon. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Walton Sent: 17 April 2006 20:32 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? You might look into the Patent dates. For B & C, those patents may have expired and you could then construct your own Dolby. Dolby S, being newer may have a few more years before its' patent expires. Ron W. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramvem at hotmail.com Mon Apr 17 23:02:03 2006 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:02:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Oil for the Cam Drive Shaft on a 660ZX Message-ID: Try Prolong Multi-purpose Precision Oil. There's a similar product by Prolube. It will resemble a syringe and its basically a very thin oil. Just guide the needle in at the base & let 1 or 2 drops in. _Ram Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:27:54 -0700From: lenaw at flash.netTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Oil for the Cam Drive Shaft on a 660ZX Hi: Anybody knows what kind of oil that I can buy in the market nowaday that I can use to lubricate the Cam Drive Shaft of a Nak 660ZX that generate squeezing noise while changing mode ( i.e. play to stop )? Thanks. Regards,Mike _________________________________________________________________ It’s the future of Hotmail: Try Windows Live Mail beta http://www2.imagine-msn.com/minisites/mail/Default.aspx?locale=en-us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 17 23:19:25 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:19:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417094756.01e5a890@psulias.psu.edu> References: <20060416143316.8080.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060417094756.01e5a890@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <4444065D.3030400@rcn.com> I'm often surprised at how different other people's experiences are from mine. I've had TONS of prerecorded cassettes go bad on me. Sometimes, it's the shell and the music can be saved by transferring the tape to another shell (occasionally the label perishes during the transfer). Often, the tape dries up or falls prey to stiction. I can honestly say that I have never lost a working CD-R. Once they get burned correctly, they live forever... -- Ron Derrick Beckner wrote: > I've probably had 30 times more CD-Rs go bad than tapes, and I've been > making tapes a lot longer. It's not just the disks, but disk > incompatibility with CD players. A lot of older CD players don't read > CDRs period, some won't read 80 min disks, some will skip around. There > is a a lot more issues with CD-Rs than just stability of the medium. > Usually the worst thing that will happen to a cassette is the pad > falling off, or a couple seconds getting warped or garbled. Rarely will > a tape become totally unplayable. > > >> Yes, Taiyo Yuden is one of the best, I use them myself, but expensive? >> ...hardly, I buy mine at Neato.com and they are about $30 for a 100 >> cake box >> of 52x 700mb siver/blue Tayo Uden CDR disks. That's about 30 cents a disk >> for 80 minutes of music or up to ten hours of mp3 music, how much are the >> best quality 90 minute cassettes? Ten to thirty times that cost, >> right? :~) >> >> Doane >> -------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of >> Antoine Deschênes >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 7:33 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE : [naktalk] Convergence >> >> >> CD-Rs last 2-3-years... >> >> There are only 2 brands that don't, but they're expensive and no one buy >> them. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim DataLifePlus. >> >> But tapes last more than the DataLife Plus(they last 20 years) >> >> Fred Lifton a écrit : >> This ridiculous buzzword--"convergence"-- has been wallowing about in >> electronics marketing speak for the last several years. Every year at CES >> (the huge consumer electronics show in Vegas) a bunch of companies >> trot out >> their latest cell-phone-refrigerator-CDRW-internet appliance and every >> year >> the consumers hold their noses and stay away in hordes. That guy at >> Dolby is >> a moron, he's obviously drunk too much of the 9.1 Digital Surround >> kool-aid. >> >> >> In 3-5 years, when all these newly burned CDR's flake out, we'll still be >> enjoying our elegant sounding cassettes in all their 2 channel splendor. >> Music is, first and foremost, made by humans and I think there will >> always >> be at least some humans who aren't willing to give all music-making >> over to >> the computers. Come to think of it, I bet that Dolby rep was a computer. >> >> >> cheers, >> F >> >> >> On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:15 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >> >> >> Besides, according to this person, cassette decks are of little value >> because of today's audio "convergence" where audio, telvision and >> computers >> are seamlessly blended into one convenient "multimedia solution" for >> consumers. >> From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 00:10:33 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Burn CDs at 1x In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060417221033.845.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't know, but, I totally agree with Doane. If it's a music CD and you are going to playback on a audio CD player burn at 1x! I have had many disc recorded at highier speeds skip like crazy. Then I rerecord at 1x and most of the skipping stops or is greatly reduced. My opinion is that the writing laser is turned on with the same power regardless of the write speed. So at 1x the laser is imparting x amount of energy on the dye layer of the disc. If it's burned at 2x the same area gets 1/2 the energy and 4x -> 1/4 the energy. While in most cases there is enough energy to change the dye into a pit, but, maybe it's borderline. Older CD players that don't have an AGC required to read CD-Rs and CR-RWs will most likely have problem, but, newer players might Ok with it. Now this is my opinion and not backed up with any hard data. I have one CD burner that when I set it to 1x in the software, the disc comes out completely unreadable on any player, but, works at 4x or above with lots of skipping of music CDs, but, Ok on data CDs. A totally worthless burner, it's sold by Mad Dog multimedia, not sure who actually made the drive. I keep my old JVC 2x SCSI burner around since it produces some of my most reliable music CDs I have (burned at 1x of course). This one uses a CD caddy instead of a drawer, remember those? SJ --- Nelson wrote: > Hi Doane > > Why should the speed matter when you're recording digitally. or > have I > missed the point? > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 17 April 2006 17:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Convergence > > > Again, with music CDs it's best to burn at slow > speed, no matter what burner you have. > > > > Doane > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 03:06:45 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Burn CDs at 1x In-Reply-To: <20060417221033.845.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060418010645.2357.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Ok I am not too sure as to why higher speeds don't sit well with audio cds. But a one is a one, zero is a zero argument doesn't work here. Even if the disk is playable, there is noticable sound degradation at higher speeds. I used to use a Hewlett Packard external burner set on cones for audio cd creation, until my Sony W33 cd recorder came. This recorder burns in 'real-time'. I have even used it in recording live shows. Most burning software also have the option of burning in real time. I think if you close all other software, get the software off the internet and try this feature, it could give the best sound. Regards Bala 79Labs Scott Johnson wrote: I don't know, but, I totally agree with Doane. If it's a music CD and you are going to playback on a audio CD player burn at 1x! I have had many disc recorded at highier speeds skip like crazy. Then I rerecord at 1x and most of the skipping stops or is greatly reduced. My opinion is that the writing laser is turned on with the same power regardless of the write speed. So at 1x the laser is imparting x amount of energy on the dye layer of the disc. If it's burned at 2x the same area gets 1/2 the energy and 4x -> 1/4 the energy. While in most cases there is enough energy to change the dye into a pit, but, maybe it's borderline. Older CD players that don't have an AGC required to read CD-Rs and CR-RWs will most likely have problem, but, newer players might Ok with it. Now this is my opinion and not backed up with any hard data. I have one CD burner that when I set it to 1x in the software, the disc comes out completely unreadable on any player, but, works at 4x or above with lots of skipping of music CDs, but, Ok on data CDs. A totally worthless burner, it's sold by Mad Dog multimedia, not sure who actually made the drive. I keep my old JVC 2x SCSI burner around since it produces some of my most reliable music CDs I have (burned at 1x of course). This one uses a CD caddy instead of a drawer, remember those? SJ --- Nelson wrote: > Hi Doane > > Why should the speed matter when you're recording digitally. or > have I > missed the point? > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 17 April 2006 17:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Convergence > > > Again, with music CDs it's best to burn at slow > speed, no matter what burner you have. > > > > Doane > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 03:11:09 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060418011109.17881.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Isn't technology wonderful Gra? Bala Nelson wrote: All this talk about incompatible CDs and players amuses me - I've got a several record decks and all my records play on them!! Grinham ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 03:23:16 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <4443E090.9060002@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060418012316.70453.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Antoine, Newer cards used in the pro audio circles can accept 6 or more channels of 24-bit I2S signals. But I think the Nak option is sonically more attractive to me. Bala 79Labs Antoine Deschênes wrote: Derrick Beckner a écrit : > Copy Protection! HA! > As long as they make analog outs, I can make fantastic copies SACD, > DVD-A, HDCD, whatever... right to my good old Nak. :) > > I could also copy it to my harddrive via analog inputs, but that > introduces a bunch of other steps. Recording, track breaks, burning > software, "trimming" the files, making sure default settings don't do > something stupid (2 second breaks for instance). Pioneer DVD-A/SACD compatible DVD players with 5.1 outputs convert DSD to 24-bit / 88.2kHz PCM I2S signal to feed the DACs. You then need to get 3 synchronized soundcards(Doh!) for 5.1, and record this on your computer. (Plus an I2S to SPDIF converter because only the 16-bit SBLive has an I2S input, but doesn't support 24-bit...) > With cassette, I plop in a tape, take about a minute tweaking settings > and levels, hit tape record, hit CD play, and come back whenever I > feel like it. Flip, repeat (ok, so maybe program the CD tracks). If > the recording is screwed up, I rewind and start over rather than chuck > the useless CD across the room. > > CD and digital in general have lots of advantages, especially for > convenience, mix "tapes", skipping tracks etc., but for a nice copy of > an album (another lost concept) tape does just fine. > > >> A sound engineer friend of mine was griping about how silly all this >> various tape standards, speeds and configurations were. He found it >> so laughable that we had to cal our machines. I quickly set him right >> about how many variations cds spun off (XRCD? HDCD?..) and how much >> was done before it sounded more acceptable. Then came SACD, DVD-A and >> now theres fight over Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. And everytime they come up >> with a 'secure' content management system, some hacker kid shows how >> it can be broken within the time he does his day's homework. >> >> Digital Gramaphone anyone? >> >> Bala >> 79Labs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 03:30:58 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Convergence In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060417133807.044fc3d0@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20060418013058.91462.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh yes! I think its time people gave it back to the recording companies - It isn't home recording or piracy but mediocre artists and poor sound is killing the recording industry. The cool thing is with my Nak, I am modifying and tweaking it to sound better, but with the latest gizmos, its fixing and patching functions to make it work. Sad. Bala 79Labs Derrick Beckner wrote: Oh yea, don't forget those little inserts in CDs back in the 80s.... "Home Recording is killing the Audio Industry" with a cassette and a cross through it. he-he, how quaint! >And everytime they come up with a 'secure' content management system, some >hacker kid shows how it can be broken within the time he does his day's >homework. > >Digital Gramaphone anyone? > >Bala >79Labs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, even on a single deck, they get out of adjustment, unless you have them aligned about every year or so and then you also have problems with the tape that were made while it was out of alignment sounding bad when you get the deck fixed... nothing is fool proof. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 1:50 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: RE : [naktalk] Convergence All this talk about incompatible CDs and players amuses me - I've got a several record decks and all my records play on them!! Grinham ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Tue Apr 18 00:18:01 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:18:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? References: Message-ID: <035e01c6626c$ca4e7fd0$6401a8c0@Rondo> I just did a quick search about Patent Expiration: http://www.benwiens.com/patents.html#patents.12 Click on Item 12. Ron W. From: Nelson As I recall, Dolby S came out about 2 years before Nakamichi stopped production of the CR7 and Dragon. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Walton Sent: 17 April 2006 20:32 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? You might look into the Patent dates. For B & C, those patents may have expired and you could then construct your own Dolby. Dolby S, being newer may have a few more years before its' patent expires. Ron W. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Apr 18 01:04:01 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:04:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: <0DC3C3A8-AD11-4A32-9A19-2083267660FB@alumni.caltech.edu> Well, maybe there's a reason for manufacturing part of your deck off- shore after all (certain countires that are..uh...less...uh...strict about folloiwng patent laws :-). No I am not seriously suggesting this, but many US companies did this to their demise in shipping manufacturing overseas (so they had to show how it was made, then suddenly it got copied).-kby From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Apr 18 04:22:00 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:22:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Microphone dilemma In-Reply-To: <0IXT00GS8PJKSS80@l-daemon> References: <0IXT00GS8PJKSS80@l-daemon> Message-ID: <44444D48.1030405@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Paul, Paul Dingle wrote: > Hi, all. Thought I'd toss out a mic question (Kermit, are you there?? > ;-0). I recently got a set of four AKG D200's, and am in the process of a > detailed diassembly/cleaning/restoration. I need to find a supply of silk > liner and foam caps for the inside of the mic heads, as well as foam spacers > for the mic cylinders. The foam has completely disintegrated due to age. > Any ideas? Check http://www.markertek.com and buy the sheets of foam windcreen material they sell. That's what I did when I restored mine! Careful, too much foam or too dense foam will kill their high end and suck the life out of their sound! > I'm going to either powdercoat or epoxy the mic bodies for durability. Oh, please, unless their finish is truly ruined, keep 'em vintage! Just don't paint them Chroma-key Blue! > Kermit, tests I did w. the AKG's on my CR7 were wonderful (pipe organ, > piano, harpsichord and recorder). Now the dilemma: I have a pristine set > of 3 Nak CM300's (capsules, case, original box, etc etc) that I have that > have been wonderful for pipe organ in live spaces (the mics sound a tad dry > to my ears for anything but really live spaces). If I hang on to 'em, I > fear I will develop a microphone fetish. Since I already have a Nak and a > motorcycle fetish I'm scared.......Maybe I should sell 'em on EBay to buy > MORE MICROPHONES. Maybe it's just too late for me--at least I don't have a > tube fetish....yet.... Let's see. Sell three perfectly wonderful mics to buy three or more wonderful mics. Paul, it's too late. You suffer from Microphone Closet Syndrome -- the desire to own as many microphones as Imelda Marcos owned shoes. Keep the Nak CM300s, unless you're sure you'll not be recording anything in reverberant venues. But, if you do sell them, you need to add a ribbon mic or two, a pair of Shure SM59s, a pair of AKG D190E, a good shotgun mic, An electroVoice 660, 635A and RE-50, Sennheiser MD441 or MD421, Neumann U87, Shure KSM32 or KSM44, AND a pair of small diaphragm condensor mics, like Crown CM700, Shure SM81 or Nakamichi CM300 ... wait you have those already... ahhhh ... mics, more mics! I gotta buy more mics!!! > P.S. Why are the folks at Dolby Labs such arrogant buggers? When you own the world it's easy to become an arrogant bugger. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Apr 18 06:24:25 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 04:24:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: Hi Antoine! You wrote...>The Mullard 12AX7 reissue by Groove Tubes is much cheaper, and is >the same thing for $25.< These ONEs are simply CRAP!!! Made in Russia!!! Kermit don't need to expense a lot of money on tubes, those "Slovenia's JJ are also good for less that $:8.00 a piece! OK...I'm 100% sure that when Kermit's goal will be ready for be sell...his tubes/valves selection will be extremely wise/judicious/knowing. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: RE : Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:21:14 -0400 > >A pair of EL84 by example... Or Mullard 10M 12AX7s. > >But power tubes aren't used in a cassette deck... > >An ordinary Mullard 12AX7 is $70. > >The Mullard 12AX7 reissue by Groove Tubes is much cheaper, and is the same >thing for $25. > >Alex Cozac a �crit : >>Not always...depends which type? >> >>ALEX! >>>From: Antoine Desch�nes >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: RE : Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >>>Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:38:31 -0400 (EDT) >>> >>>$200 each. >>> >>>Alex Cozac a �crit : Hi Antoine! >>> >>>You wrote...>I hope you're not going to put NOS Mullards in there!< >>> >>>WHY not....the BEST!!! >>> >>>ALEX! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Apr 18 06:31:04 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 04:31:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Convergence Message-ID: Yes as happen to me here in Israel such two boxes of 10 cassettes Fuji Z-ll 90 minutes (Made in Japan)...for a mere ONE US DOLLAR. BTW...On my computer I always copy music/photos at 40x speed using Samsung "Bulk" of 100 CDR's, till today since 4 years ago NO problem with this Made in Korea material regular ones. Also on my Oldie Philips CD-850-MK-2 player from 1991, all the recorded CD's works!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Convergence >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:50:03 +0100 > >But you can buy (with difficulty) decent cassettes, Derrick? > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Derrick Beckner >Sent: 17 April 2006 19:30 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Convergence > > >I don't know what "we" are saying, but all I'm saying is that you can't buy >high quality CD-Rs in retail stores anymore. And I certainly can't find >high quality, 74 min, CDR-Audio disks anywhere. > >At 11:39 AM 4/17/2006, you wrote: > >Are we saying it's easier to buy decent quality cassettes than decent > >quality blank CDs? > > > >Puzzled Gra' > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From znyuzo at freemail.hu Tue Apr 18 08:36:44 2006 From: znyuzo at freemail.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ny=FAz=F3_Zsolt_=28Freemail=29?=) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:36:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... Message-ID: <002301c662b2$76342f30$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Hi Everybody, I followed the discussion on Kermit's new deck with great enthusiasm. If everything goes well I will also be one to buy the full version. (220V/50Hz !!!) As I have always hated I hardly have any Dolby encoded cassette, but I understand the point of those who have. Unfortunately for a time I have to get 'out of business' for a while, because I have to pack in and relocate all my High-end, Hi-Fi, Computer, and related stuff, as well as all my photo-video equipment due to a very serious danger of a flood in my home city, Szeged. The level of the river Tisza which flows just about 200 meters from my home is already 20 cms higher than ever before, and it is forecasted that another 20-30 cms is about to come combined with a very slow decrease of the level. My family is already safe so now I can think of saving the other important parts of my life. Please keep your fingers crossed ! 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URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 18 12:23:14 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:23:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... Message-ID: <20060418102314.95065.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Zsolt I was hearing reports about the bad floods in Eastern Europe during the weekend. My fingers are firmly crossed for you, your family and your prized possessions. I just can't imagine how I would feel if my lifestyle and safety was threatened in this way. Best wishes Chris From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Apr 18 12:37:18 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 6:37:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... Message-ID: <20060418103718.UAKN14554.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> I wish you well and hope all will fair well for you and yours! > > From: Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) > Date: 2006/04/18 Tue AM 02:36:44 EDT > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... > > Hi Everybody, > > I followed the discussion on Kermit's new deck with great enthusiasm. > > If everything goes well I will also be one to buy the full version. (220V/50Hz !!!) > As I have always hated I hardly have any Dolby encoded cassette, but > I understand the point of those who have. > > Unfortunately for a time I have to get 'out of business' for a while, because > I have to pack in and relocate all my High-end, Hi-Fi, Computer, and related > stuff, as well as all my photo-video equipment due to a very serious danger > of a flood in my home city, Szeged. The level of the river Tisza which flows > just about 200 meters from my home is already 20 cms higher than ever > before, and it is forecasted that another 20-30 cms is about to come combined > with a very slow decrease of the level. My family is already safe so now I can > think of saving the other important parts of my life. > > Please keep your fingers crossed ! > > Hope to be able to get in touch with all of you soon. > > Zsolt > -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Tue Apr 18 12:55:07 2006 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (C P Tarun) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:25:07 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding parts for my ZX-9 Message-ID: <2dc095ab0604180355j6ce5cac4he5ee7702a8182512@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys, I'd posted a message with a request for help for my dead ZX-9. Do you guys have any pointers, please? The UK firm, classic-nakamichi.com, have responded, saying they don't have any of the parts I need, other than the belts. thanks, Tarun From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 18 14:32:39 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:32:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding parts for my ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <2dc095ab0604180355j6ce5cac4he5ee7702a8182512@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Rumour has it they DO have the parts but won't sell them for DIYers, that they are keeping them back for repairs and servicing they are doing themselves in house. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of C P Tarun Sent: 18 April 2006 11:55 To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding parts for my ZX-9 Hi guys, I'd posted a message with a request for help for my dead ZX-9. Do you guys have any pointers, please? The UK firm, classic-nakamichi.com, have responded, saying they don't have any of the parts I need, other than the belts. thanks, Tarun From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 18 14:33:00 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:33:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding parts for my ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <2dc095ab0604180355j6ce5cac4he5ee7702a8182512@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c662e4$3bf14150$7300a8c0@Shaun> Tarun, Bowers & Wilkins at Worthing still service & repair the ZX9. Contact them by email at: service at classic-nakamichi.com PHONE: +44 (0) 1903 695 695 FAX: +44 (0) 1903 264 160 Nakamichi Service is at: Bowers & Wilkins Ltd Littlehampton Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN13 1QA Paul will probably reply and they are highly recommended. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of C P Tarun Sent: 18 April 2006 11:55 To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding parts for my ZX-9 Hi guys, I'd posted a message with a request for help for my dead ZX-9. Do you guys have any pointers, please? The UK firm, classic-nakamichi.com, have responded, saying they don't have any of the parts I need, other than the belts. thanks, Tarun ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 18 14:39:37 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:39:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding parts for my ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <2dc095ab0604180355j6ce5cac4he5ee7702a8182512@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001001c662e5$288b79e0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Hi Tarun, I see that the web classic-nakamichi.com web site is a portal to the Bowers & Wilkins web site so may not be so much use to you after all. I have a service centre near me in Christchuch, Dorset that has been repairing/servicing Nakmichis for at least 15 years and still do so. The owner tells me that they have a large stock of all sorts of spares and that even B & W contact them for help locating spares from time to time. They are: M D Audio Visual 167, Barrack Rd, Christchurch, Dorset BH23 2AP Tel: 01202 473901 The shop is closed Monday and Wednesday. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of C P Tarun Sent: 18 April 2006 11:55 To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding parts for my ZX-9 Hi guys, I'd posted a message with a request for help for my dead ZX-9. Do you guys have any pointers, please? The UK firm, classic-nakamichi.com, have responded, saying they don't have any of the parts I need, other than the belts. thanks, Tarun ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 15:39:42 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding parts for my ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <2dc095ab0604180355j6ce5cac4he5ee7702a8182512@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060418133942.27475.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tarun your ZX 9 motor is not dead - it is almost impossible to damage unless you do it mechanically. Give me few days - I can tell you to test few and replace one IC - it should work. Also your tech may be ignorant or trying to replace stuff like pinch rollars and that is not necessary ( 99% probability). bear with me as am right now at my clients place and busy with my work Kannan C P Tarun wrote: Hi guys, I'd posted a message with a request for help for my dead ZX-9. Do you guys have any pointers, please? The UK firm, classic-nakamichi.com, have responded, saying they don't have any of the parts I need, other than the belts. thanks, Tarun ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 18 16:10:41 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:10:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need help to find some parts for my ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <2dc095ab0604170559w56564879ie9d768671384597b@mail.gmail.co m> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060418091041.0082d690@earthlink.net> I'm running blind, as I don't seem to have my ZX9 manual. They ZX7 is the conventional DC servo motor, so I assume the ZX9 is direct drive. The direct drive motors are very reliable. There are hall elements that can be replaced, so if yours do not turn, try replacing these first. They would be mounted on the motor pcb. The only thing affected by sitting unused are belts, which will have flat spots after a year. tom brucker At 06:29 PM 4/17/06 +0530, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I've been a lurker on this list for perhaps two >years or more now. I've got tons of help from >you guys earlier when my deck had problems. > >My ZX-9 died recently. I live in Bombay. I have a >friend who has been CLA'ing Nak decks (and some >others) for a few decades, and is very good. I've >got my deck serviced and realigned by him about >four years ago, and he did an excellent job then. > >A few months back, my deck's motor stopped, and >this friend who maintains my deck looked at it >and said that it's what he'd been afraid of: the >motor has died. He is referring to the main motor >which pulls the tape (I believe the ZX-9 has >more than one motor?) He said that this is a >very special Hall Effect motor, and he can >fix the deck if I can get him a replacement >motor. He gave me the part number of the stuff >he wants from the Nak service manual: > >Motor PCB assembly: BA 04759A > >Together with that, he said he'd also like to >replace the supply pressure roller ass'y (CA 08053B) >and Takeup pressure roller ass'y (CA 08079B), >and make one or two other replacements which >he'd told me about earlier but had advised me >to delay, to help me avoid multiple rounds of >repairs. > >My friend also said that this ZX-9 motor assembly >has a track record of dying if left unused for >many months... unlike other high-end Nak motors. >Is this true? He said the ZX-7 motor is less >temperamental, for instance. > >So, now I'm stuck because of this motor assembly. >I contacted classic-nakamichi.com in the UK, and >they said that out of my parts list (which >included the motor assembly and many other less >important things), only the three belts were >available. (This means they don't even seem to >have PB and record head assemblies or azimuth >wire any more.) > >Do you have any idea where else I can look for >these parts? Should I contact ES Labs? Is there >anyone else I should contact? > >Thanks in advance, >Tarun > >PS: Sending this email from a friend's account because > it appears that the yahoo.co.in mail server has > been blacklisted by spamcop.net, so I can't send > any emails to naktalks for now from Yahoo. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From luis at peromarta.org Tue Apr 18 20:08:18 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:08:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. Message-ID: <44452B12.1050002@peromarta.org> Dear all, I happen to find an old Nakamichi Service Center that's selling Original service manuals at a decent price. http://www.antechlabs.com/servicemanuals.htm Or contact Judy at: avtrader at antechlabs.com By the way, any one has a pdf copy of a CR7 service manual? Best rgds, LP. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Adjust VR701 on the main PCB ass'y to obyain 0V on the DC milivoltmeter.(Adjustment should be carried out within aprox 10s). c.- Same as above for reverse playback, and using VR702. Well, the DC milivoltmeter reads aprox 550mv, for a few seconds, the it starts to move from -5V to +500mv (I guess the deck tries to NAAC but fails to to move the motor). Problem is trying to adjust VR701 or VR702 makes no difference on initial 550mv in pin 1 of CN-5. However, even though I tried to leave the pots at their original position, I don't think I left it quite well. Am I doing something wrong? Any input greatly appreciated. LP. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3305 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 21:15:46 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Phase adjustment, RH Height and RH azimuth In-Reply-To: <444533E0.3000704@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20060418191546.66764.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think you better leave this adjustment - proceed with rest. A very good advice - no explanation will be given. trust me or go ahead ! Kannan Luis Peromarta wrote: Dear friends, I am doing some adjusting on my dragon. I am going trough the electrical adjustments from the service manuals. In step 4, "PH and RH Height adjustment and azimuth alignment", it comes to "Phase Adjustment and record Height adj. and azimuth alignment": a.- Disconnect CN-5 of the auto az. pcb ass'y. (This is the azimuth motor conector, 2 pins, signal and ground, pin 1 is signal. Conect a DC milivoltmeter to pin 1 of CN-5) b.- Load 15KHz az. tape, and forward-play it back. Adjust VR701 on the main PCB ass'y to obyain 0V on the DC milivoltmeter.(Adjustment should be carried out within aprox 10s). c.- Same as above for reverse playback, and using VR702. Well, the DC milivoltmeter reads aprox 550mv, for a few seconds, the it starts to move from -5V to +500mv (I guess the deck tries to NAAC but fails to to move the motor). Problem is trying to adjust VR701 or VR702 makes no difference on initial 550mv in pin 1 of CN-5. However, even though I tried to leave the pots at their original position, I don't think I left it quite well. Am I doing something wrong? Any input greatly appreciated. LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 18 21:17:59 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:17:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. In-Reply-To: <44452B12.1050002@peromarta.org> References: <44452B12.1050002@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <44453B67.1010708@rcn.com> Beware of Antech Labs. I bought an 'original' service manual from them and received a fairly poor Xerox copy. Their take was that since they bought it directly from Nakamichi, it was original by definition. To their credit, after I disagreed they refunded my money and didn't even want the copy back. I believe they are honest, but you have to make sure that 'original' truly means original. -- Ron Luis Peromarta wrote: > Dear all, > > I happen to find an old Nakamichi Service Center that's selling Original > service manuals at a decent price. > > > http://www.antechlabs.com/servicemanuals.htm > > > Or contact Judy at: > > avtrader at antechlabs.com > > > > By the way, any one has a pdf copy of a CR7 service manual? > > > > Best rgds, LP. From luis at peromarta.org Tue Apr 18 21:41:28 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:41:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Phase adjustment, RH Height and RH azimuth In-Reply-To: <20060418191546.66764.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060418191546.66764.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444540E8.10300@peromarta.org> I wish I had known earlier! I DID try the sdjustment, and I think NAAC is not working properly since. Shit happens. LP. kannan srinivasaraghavan escribió: > I think you better leave this adjustment - proceed with rest. A very > good advice - no explanation will be given. > trust me or go ahead ! > Kannan > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I am doing some adjusting on my dragon. I am going trough the > electrical > adjustments from the service manuals. In step 4, "PH and RH Height > adjustment and azimuth alignment", it comes to "Phase Adjustment and > record Height adj. and azimuth alignment": > > a.- Disconnect CN-5 of the auto az. pcb ass'y. > > (This is the azimuth motor conector, 2 pins, signal and ground, pin > 1 is > signal. Conect a DC milivoltmeter to pin 1 of CN-5) > > b.- Load 15KHz az. tape, and forward-play it back. Adjust VR701 on the > main PCB ass'y to obyain 0V on the DC milivoltmeter.(Adjustment should > be carried out within aprox 10s). > > > c.- Same as above for reverse playback, and using VR702. > > > > Well, the DC milivoltmeter reads aprox 550mv, for a few seconds, the it > starts to move from -5V to +500mv (I guess the deck tries to NAAC but > fails to to move the motor). Problem is trying to adjust VR701 or VR702 > makes no difference on initial 550mv in pin 1 of CN-5. > > However, even though I tried to leave the pots at their original > position, I don't think I left it quite well. > > Am I doing something wrong? > > Any input greatly appreciated. > > LP. > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3305 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 06:24:20 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 04:24:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Phase adjustment, RH Height and RH azimuth Message-ID: Hola Luis! Why was needed to touch the heads adjustments? When you sent me the photos a year ago with your son...I saw only your 1000ZXL + Thorens turntable...nothing that you also own a Dragon...or this one is your last acquired unit? Was new or from a guy that "ALREADY"...move the white heads adjustments nylon gears? Chau, ALEX! >From: Luis Peromarta >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Phase adjustment, RH Height and RH azimuth >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:45:52 +0200 > >Dear friends, > >I am doing some adjusting on my dragon. I am going trough the electrical >adjustments from the service manuals. In step 4, "PH and RH Height >adjustment and azimuth alignment", it comes to "Phase Adjustment and record >Height adj. and azimuth alignment": > >a.- Disconnect CN-5 of the auto az. pcb ass'y. > >(This is the azimuth motor conector, 2 pins, signal and ground, pin 1 is >signal. Conect a DC milivoltmeter to pin 1 of CN-5) > >b.- Load 15KHz az. tape, and forward-play it back. Adjust VR701 on the main >PCB ass'y to obyain 0V on the DC milivoltmeter.(Adjustment should be >carried out within aprox 10s). > > >c.- Same as above for reverse playback, and using VR702. > > > >Well, the DC milivoltmeter reads aprox 550mv, for a few seconds, the it >starts to move from -5V to +500mv (I guess the deck tries to NAAC but fails >to to move the motor). Problem is trying to adjust VR701 or VR702 makes no >difference on initial 550mv in pin 1 of CN-5. > >However, even though I tried to leave the pots at their original position, >I don't think I left it quite well. > >Am I doing something wrong? > >Any input greatly appreciated. > >LP. > > > > > > > ><< smime.p7s >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at comcast.net Mon Apr 17 08:48:02 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:48:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted In-Reply-To: <20060416024455.86682.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060416024455.86682.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005FE446-3BCA-4C8C-B6E9-873E603A23E3@comcast.net> > > > > rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few > of you can be trusted. WOW, I'll sleep better tonight knowing that I may be among the "trusted" in this brotherhood. Are you to be trusted? BEST, Brien > > Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and > lastly a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. > > I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying > need for a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of > desirable decks with the ZX9 on its heals. > > Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great > shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original > purchase. > > Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal > will have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Mon Apr 17 09:04:00 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:04:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job In-Reply-To: <0121ED12-4255-49F6-B224-5A0B20069A21@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <0121ED12-4255-49F6-B224-5A0B20069A21@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <71A149AB-FAC2-40DE-8BCB-BD8E27D04278@comcast.net> What about methanol? it seems to work really well on cutting gunk, is water soluble, easy on non metal surfaces, etc? Brien On Apr 15, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > There's no issue with getting MEK; I'm pretty sure it's at the Home > Despot (Home Depot > is a do-it-yourself home repair/remodel warehouse kind of megastore > for those not in the US). > > Carbon tetrachloride is pretty hard to get except from a chemical > supply house, as there's less use for it (tetrachloroethylene > is pretty good substitute in terms of cleaning, but it is also > pretty rough on the skin. Carbon tet caused liver > damage and is also really bad environmentally (ozone depletion). > > Dichloromethane aka methylene chloride may still be in some > mixtures of things, but no one probably wants to use > that as it would probably damage almost anything in a a Nak it > touched except the metal. > > Tetrahydrofuran is also a good solvent, but it is also pretty hard > on any plasticizers or plastic parts. It has a bad rap > because it's generally not used in anything outside a lab > except...uh..."recreational" chemistry.-kby > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 19 09:30:16 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:30:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] BX1 to pick up in Florida Message-ID: <8870.212.78.164.66.1145431816.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Found this message in the registration area yesterday, maybe someone is interested... Wouter Am getting rid of the unit since cassettes are a thing of the past. Rather than throw it in the trash I figured someone may get some use out of it. I am in the Port St. Lucie area of Florida. If you want it e-mail me. You can pick it up or have a messenger service pick it up package it and have it sent to you. I am not going to go to the bother and expense of packaging it and paying to have it sent to someone. Morris Adger adger at adelphia.net From kjackson at fast-mail.org Wed Apr 19 10:01:35 2006 From: kjackson at fast-mail.org (Keith Jackson) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:01:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 transport fix Message-ID: I gave up on cassettes more than a decade ago, until I found a 480 at a thrift store for $10. Pretty good condition, though with what seems to be a typical issue facing these aging decks: the transport would not engage. The belt that works the logic part of the transport (idler belt?) had loosened up and was slipping, resulting in not enough torque being delivered to the logic cam. Rather than facing the hassle of finding a replacement belt, I thought about simply adjusting its tension. Unfortunately, the 480 does not have such potential built in: the motor can not be shifted to take up slack. That left increasing the motor pulley diameter, which I did with a short ring of wide diameter heat shrink tubing. Once shrunk onto the pulley and reinstalled, the transport had life in it again. This should give the deck many years of further service. And, should I want to recondition the transport with original parts, the heat shrink ring can easily be cut off returning the pulley to its original state. With this now working deck, I am rediscovering tapes and analogue sound. Violins sound so much smoother than on CD! Cheers, Keith From tpfinn at btinternet.com Wed Apr 19 10:17:12 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:17:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted In-Reply-To: <005FE446-3BCA-4C8C-B6E9-873E603A23E3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060419081712.62255.qmail@web86509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hmmm, pass the sick bag! Hello out there !! I am looking for the holy grail of the cassette deck variety, I understand this group knows of its possible wherabouts? Rather than get off my butt and get on the trail myself I will let you lesser mortals out there do the work for me, and if I deem to the deal between myself and the seller satisfactory (offline of course)! I may, if I am feeling in a good mood, purchase said item!!!! Sorry couldn't resist it T. Brien wrote: rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few of you can be trusted. WOW, I'll sleep better tonight knowing that I may be among the "trusted" in this brotherhood. Are you to be trusted? BEST, Brien Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and lastly a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying need for a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of desirable decks with the ZX9 on its heals. Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original purchase. Contact me offline with details AND photos. 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 18 16:36:33 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:36:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <01d501c66255$8aaec6d0$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060413110118.01b0d3d0@psulias.psu.edu><443E6C46.6090801@yahoo.ca> <44414EC4.30307@woods-and-waters.com> <01d501c66255$8aaec6d0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <4444F971.4030807@yahoo.ca> If it's 20 years, there's an other 20 years to wait... I looked on Dolby's site and Dolby NR isn't licensable. Since it's obsolete, I don't know if the patent is still valid or not. If there's no more patent, the "Dolby" system would have to be copied somewhat (no ICs) and Dolby, double-D, B, C, or S marked will probably have not to be marked on the deck. Ron Walton a écrit : > You might look into the Patent dates. For B & C, those patents may > have expired and you could then construct your own Dolby. Dolby S, > being newer may have a few more years before its' patent expires. > > Ron W. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Kermit V. Gray > > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > All these replies about Dolby... Remember the real reason? > Licenses! > > (Expensive) And I think that Dolby almost only licenses big > companies. I > > don't know if Dolby would even accept to sell licenses to > Kermit's KVG Labs. > > Antoine, you're the smartest guy here. When I spoke to Dolby this > past > Thursday they informed me that they are not granting new licenses, > nor > accepting new licensees for B, C, and S implemetations except for > play-only circuits in car stereo applications. > > > > I will speak to Dolby again in a week or so, and definitely will > be sure > to talk to someone else at the company, but it looks like the > cassette > deck will have to use the outboard Dolby 422 processor. > From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Wed Apr 19 11:27:28 2006 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:27:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX Message-ID: <200604190927.k3J9Rar9010400@zxe.naks.com> Winnie, Tom, Capstan motor or belt as the problem cause seems illogical to me, since the FF and RW functions would still be active in either case. And I got the impression these functions do not work. ScHenk History: From: Tom Brucker hitech77 at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks I think your capstan motor is not turning. In stop are the capstans rotating? If you load tape and close the door, and the slack is taken up, your reel motor is ok. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Apr 19 12:31:56 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 6:31:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted Message-ID: <20060419103156.KIV18886.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> he-he, I see how this can look like a left handed compliment! The intent was to discourage those who cruise message boards looking to hawk their wears! Roland > > From: Brien > Date: 2006/04/17 Mon AM 02:48:02 EDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted > > > > > > > > > > rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > > I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few > > of you can be trusted. > > WOW, I'll sleep better tonight knowing that I may be among the > "trusted" in this brotherhood. Are you to be trusted? > > BEST, > > Brien > > > > Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and > > lastly a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. > > > > I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying > > need for a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of > > desirable decks with the ZX9 on its heals. > > > > Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great > > shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original > > purchase. > > > > Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal > > will have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using > > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Wed Apr 19 12:53:34 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:53:34 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] BX heads Message-ID: <002401c6639f$83cc6c00$0201a8c0@lan> Marc, Tom, Thanks for your comments. I had my BX125 r/p head go open circuit on the left channel a short while back, and given that there are no Nak parts in NZ, (and even these basic heads proved impossible to get as a replacement part from known sources), I had a generic sendust head fitted, hence my query. Playback seems fine with 'known' tapes, but have yet to try recording anything other than to verify that the deck will 'record'. I may check 'that' out this week end and also frequency response with the T100. If I come across an original head, I'll fit it, as I like to keep things original as much as possible. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 19 14:06:24 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:06:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 transport fix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Keith Jackson Sent: 19 April 2006 09:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 transport fix easily be cut off returning the pulley to its original state. With this now working deck, I am rediscovering tapes and analogue sound. Violins sound so much smoother than on CD! I agree - I wonder why they do - and I prefer to hear violins that way. But do we have any violinist here who can say if the sound they hear from cassette is more realistic than CD? Gra' From rob at rhoag.com Wed Apr 19 15:46:39 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:46:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 transport fix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good point, Gra. I am beginning to think more and more that what some people attribute to harsh sound from CD may not be the CD at all, but the recording being reproduced accurately, while most analog tends to veil the sound in a way that makes it more pleasant to the ear. Reason I say that is that since using CDs over the years I've begun to notice how some recordings really do sound harsher on things like violins... but not on all recordings of violins. Same thing with other upper end musical instruments, even the high notes on piano. Any thoughts on this? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 480 transport fix -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Keith Jackson Sent: 19 April 2006 09:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 transport fix easily be cut off returning the pulley to its original state. With this now working deck, I am rediscovering tapes and analogue sound. Violins sound so much smoother than on CD! I agree - I wonder why they do - and I prefer to hear violins that way. But do we have any violinist here who can say if the sound they hear from cassette is more realistic than CD? Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Wed Apr 19 16:10:42 2006 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (C P Tarun) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:40:42 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need some spares for my ZX-9 Message-ID: <2dc095ab0604190710h3e1dd452i93bb7ac10ba9837f@mail.gmail.com> Dear Nelson, > Rumour has it they DO have the parts but won't sell them for DIYers, > that > they are keeping them back for repairs and servicing they are doing > themselves in house. That's just luvvly. :) What about E S Labs in the US? Do they have parts? Is Jeff Galin a good guy to deal with for such matters? Thanks, Tarun From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Wed Apr 19 16:13:27 2006 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (C P Tarun) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:43:27 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need some spares for my ZX-9 Message-ID: <2dc095ab0604190713q3134b294iadbfb53a309d186b@mail.gmail.com> Dear Shaun, > M D Audio Visual > 167, Barrack Rd, Christchurch, Dorset BH23 2AP > Tel: 01202 473901 Thanks for this lead. I'll call them up (it'd have been a bit cheaper if they had email, but then my techie friend who handles these Naks here also does not have a computer or email.) Let's hope they can give me the parts I need. regards, Tarun From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Wed Apr 19 16:16:45 2006 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (C P Tarun) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:46:45 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need some spares for my ZX-9 Message-ID: <2dc095ab0604190716g349acb4gcd4cb5ecdc2e0824@mail.gmail.com> Dear Kannan, Good to see you in action ... you've helped me so much in the past. Remember the earlier time when my ZX-9 had died due to a problem with the belt? > your ZX 9 motor is not dead - it is almost impossible to damage > unless you do it mechanically. > Give me few days - I can tell you to test few and replace one IC - it > should work. Also your tech may be ignorant or trying to replace stuff > like pinch rollars and that is not necessary ( 99% probability). I certainly don't know enough to comment about the motor, but my tech friend is not trying to replace pinch rollers and the like. He said he needs the motor PCB assembly. In fact, he said that he often finds the ZX-9 motors dying... I'll check with him again. And I'll wait for your responses. Thanks again, Tarun From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 19 16:18:42 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:18:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 transport fix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444646C2.50105@rcn.com> You can stop wondering about it, Duane, you got it exactly right. One shouldn't generalize about digital vs. analog recordings. It greatly depends on which CD is compared to which cassette or LP. Done right, both analog and digital recordings are capable of the very pleasant, 'airy' sound of bowed strings or the biting 'twang' of plucked guitars. It's easier to screw up with digital recordings, simply because of the far more elaborate processing these recordings endure. Especially, the ADC (recording), DAC (playback) and associated filters (both). OTOH, I have quite a few LPs that have done a marvelous job of killing and/or maiming strings, as well. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Good point, Gra. I am beginning to think more and more that what some people > attribute to harsh sound from CD may not be the CD at all, but the recording > being reproduced accurately, while most analog tends to veil the sound in a > way that makes it more pleasant to the ear. Reason I say that is that since > using CDs over the years I've begun to notice how some recordings really do > sound harsher on things like violins... but not on all recordings of > violins. Same thing with other upper end musical instruments, even the high > notes on piano. > > Any thoughts on this? > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Nelson > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:06 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 480 transport fix > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Keith Jackson > Sent: 19 April 2006 09:02 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 transport fix > > > easily be cut off > returning the pulley to its original state. > > With this now working deck, I am rediscovering tapes and analogue > sound. Violins sound so much smoother than on CD! > > > > > I agree - I wonder why they do - and I prefer to hear violins that way. But > do we have any violinist here who can say if the sound they hear from > cassette is more realistic than CD? > > Gra' From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 19 16:23:47 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:23:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted In-Reply-To: <20060419081712.62255.qmail@web86509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <005FE446-3BCA-4C8C-B6E9-873E603A23E3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060419092347.00820c60@earthlink.net> I suppose at the least we know whether a Nakamichi works as it should. tom brucker At 09:17 AM 4/19/06 +0100, you wrote: >>>> Hmmm, pass the sick bag! Hello out there !! I am looking for the holy grail of the cassette deck variety, I understand this group knows of its possible wherabouts? Rather than get off my butt and get on the trail myself I will let you lesser mortals out there do the work for me, and if I deem to the deal between myself and the seller satisfactory (offline of course)! I may, if I am feeling in a good mood, purchase said item!!!! Sorry couldn't resist it T. Brien wrote: rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few of you can be trusted. WOW, I'll sleep better tonight knowing that I may be among the "trusted" in this brotherhood. Are you to be trusted? BEST, Brien Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and lastly a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying need for a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of desirable decks with the ZX9 on its heals. Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original purchase. Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal will have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 17:30:27 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060419092347.00820c60@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060419153027.29389.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Now seriously, Its hard to choose a Nak for someone else. I've had better sucess in buying presents for my wife! Each Nak has its own personality. In terms of sound, feel, look and handling. I've come to respect each Nak for its own personality and feel - its amazing the company managed to come with such variety of character within their ranges. One thing we all do know is, yes, if it works as it should. Bala 79Labs Hi Tech wrote: I suppose at the least we know whether a Nakamichi works as it should. tom brucker At 09:17 AM 4/19/06 +0100, you wrote: >>>> Hmmm, pass the sick bag! Hello out there !! I am looking for the holy grail of the cassette deck variety, I understand this group knows of its possible wherabouts? Rather than get off my butt and get on the trail myself I will let you lesser mortals out there do the work for me, and if I deem to the deal between myself and the seller satisfactory (offline of course)! I may, if I am feeling in a good mood, purchase said item!!!! Sorry couldn't resist it T. Brien wrote: rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: I rarely post on this board but read it daily and feel that a few of you can be trusted. WOW, I'll sleep better tonight knowing that I may be among the "trusted" in this brotherhood. Are you to be trusted? BEST, Brien Therefore, I am looking for a Dragon, ZX9 or ZX7, Revox B215 and lastly a CR7A. I'll entertain a RX505. I am going to give this group a first shot at meeting my buying need for a cassette deck. The Dragon is NUMBER ONE on my list of desirable decks with the ZX9 on its heals. Must be complete, physically in great shape, operationally in great shape and must include the remote if it were part of the original purchase. Contact me offline with details AND photos. Of course, the deal will have to be satisfactory to the seller and myself. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make t=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com>PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Wed Apr 19 16:20:51 2006 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (C P Tarun) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:50:51 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need some spares for my ZX-9 Message-ID: <2dc095ab0604190720x1c5ae658ge9c740f29bbce26b@mail.gmail.com> Dear Tom, > I'm running blind, as I don't seem to have my ZX9 manual. They ZX7 is > conventional DC servo motor, so I assume the ZX9 is direct drive. The Yes, you're right, this is the direct drive model. > direct drive motors are very reliable. There are hall elements that can > replaced, so if yours do not turn, try replacing these first. They > would be mounted on the motor pcb. > The only thing affected by sitting unused are belts, which will have > flat spots after a year. It is possible that my tech friend does not have access to the Hall elements as you call them... maybe he can't get just those bits as spares? I remember him saying (vaguely) once that the problem with the ZX-9 motors is that these Hall element things go bad and the entire motor assembly needs to be replaced... or some such thing. At that time I hadn't even followed what he was saying very closely. Where can I get these Hall elements? Belts I can get. Even classic-nakamichi.com is willing to sell me all three belts in the ZX-9. But in this case, I believe my belts are in reasonable shape, because my tech had replaced them about two years back when he did the last overhaul. Thanks, Tarun From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 19 18:23:10 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:23:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need some spares for my ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <2dc095ab0604190710h3e1dd452i93bb7ac10ba9837f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll let Jeff speak for himself - no doubt he'll see this email. But he's in the same boat as B&W - a shortage of spares that he may wish to keep back for his servicing/renovation customers. You have to remember running a spares outfit is not quite the same as running a service operation. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of C P Tarun Sent: 19 April 2006 15:11 To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need some spares for my ZX-9 Dear Nelson, > Rumour has it they DO have the parts but won't sell them for DIYers, > that > they are keeping them back for repairs and servicing they are doing > themselves in house. That's just luvvly. :) What about E S Labs in the US? Do they have parts? Is Jeff Galin a good guy to deal with for such matters? Thanks, Tarun From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 19 20:51:06 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:51:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need some spares for my ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <2dc095ab0604190713q3134b294iadbfb53a309d186b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801c663e2$386a09f0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Best of luck Tarun. They did a good job on my 550 and my BX-2 and not a lot of money either. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of C P Tarun Sent: 19 April 2006 15:13 To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need some spares for my ZX-9 Dear Shaun, > M D Audio Visual > 167, Barrack Rd, Christchurch, Dorset BH23 2AP > Tel: 01202 473901 Thanks for this lead. I'll call them up (it'd have been a bit cheaper if they had email, but then my techie friend who handles these Naks here also does not have a computer or email.) Let's hope they can give me the parts I need. regards, Tarun ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 19 22:44:46 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:44:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 transport fix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4446A13E.30503@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Good point, Gra. I am beginning to think more and more that what some people > attribute to harsh sound from CD may not be the CD at all, but the recording > being reproduced accurately, while most analog tends to veil the sound in a > way that makes it more pleasant to the ear. Reason I say that is that since > using CDs over the years I've begun to notice how some recordings really do > sound harsher on things like violins... but not on all recordings of > violins. Same thing with other upper end musical instruments, even the high > notes on piano. > > Any thoughts on this? You're hearing that CDs can be well recorded and mastered, yet most aren't. I agree with Ron's statement; I've heard some truly awful LP recordings of violin as well as some excellent recordings. There was a time when so many LPs were so poorly made that it opened the door for a different distribution medium, and CDs walked through the door. Take it from experience: any recording medium can be made to sound good or bad. Technique, not technology, is the single most important aspect of recording. Good technique with mediocre technology beats bad technique with great technology any day. I've even heard a very few 8-tracks and 78 rpm discs that sounded quite good yet neither of these are widely regarded as hi fi media. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Apr 19 22:47:10 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:47:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted In-Reply-To: <20060419153027.29389.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060419153027.29389.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4446A1CE.6050309@yahoo.ca> Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit : > Now seriously, > > Its hard to choose a Nak for someone else. I've had better > sucess in buying presents for my wife! > > Each Nak has its own personality. In terms of sound, feel, look and > handling. I've come to respect each Nak for its own personality and > feel - its amazing the company managed to come with such variety of > character within their ranges. Oh, great... I was about to ask the same thing, since it's my birthday in 2 weeks. Maybe I'll (still) ask for money. > > One thing we all do know is, yes, if it works as it should. > > Bala > 79Labs > > */Hi Tech /* wrote: > > I suppose at the least we know whether a Nakamichi works as it > should. > > tom brucker > > At 09:17 AM 4/19/06 +0100, you wrote: > >>>> > Hmmm, pass the sick bag! > Hello out there !! > I am looking for the holy grail of the cassette deck variety, I > understand > this group knows of its possible wherabouts? > Rather than get off my butt and get on the trail myself I will let you > lesser mortals out there do the work for me, and if I deem to the deal > between myself and the seller satisfactory (offline of course)! I > may, if I > am feeling in a good mood, purchase said item!!!! > Sorry couldn't resist it > > T. > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 19 23:16:14 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:16:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR decks Message-ID: <4446A89E.5000800@xs4all.nl> I'm posting this for Dean... Wouter Hi All: Can anyone tell me the difference between a DR-1, DR-2 and a DR-10? Thanks Dean From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 19 23:15:18 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:15:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <109C27F4-0873-433D-A98A-FED3818431A9@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <109C27F4-0873-433D-A98A-FED3818431A9@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <4446A866.5060400@woods-and-waters.com> Kimo, I wish I'd have thought of that! Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Yeah; snidely remark back that if there ain't no money in it, then why > don't they just > put them in the public domain :-). Or that if they don't care 'bout it > you'll build and skip the licensing part > (quoting him as the source that "they didn't care").-kby -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 19 23:19:25 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:19:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <20060416222423.3515.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060416222423.3515.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4446A95D.60009@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Just looking, NE645 seems to be for B&C. > Yes, but you cannot buy the chips without being a dolby licensee. I'm stuck in a Catch-22> Someone call Yossarian for me, I need help! > Discrete could be a solution, but, $$$. > > Not being able to get new ICs might be a reason to have no Dolby. As well as the hassle of it. > I thought about it the other day. Even if the deck is able to record > with less noise, will other decks be playing well enough so that Dolby > isn't even needed? This will depend on how quiet the other deck's playback amps are. I think the 600 and other Naks have very quiet playback anmps and thus will be able to play the tapes made on my deck without the need of Dolby B. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 19 23:24:03 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:24:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060416155618.0081d810@earthlink.net> References: <443E6C46.6090801@yahoo.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20060413110118.01b0d3d0@psulias.psu.edu> <443E6C46.6090801@yahoo.ca> <3.0.3.32.20060416155618.0081d810@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4446AA73.8020601@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > Are any of the licenses attatched to the IC used, and not the actual > unit? If you bought 500 NE645 ics, you'd have Dolby B. There were many > sources for Dolby ICs.....or you could do it discrete like in the 600. Just > leave the button unlabeled! I think I'll have to copy or design a discrete Dolby B decoder. The best Dolby B ever made, I think, was the Revox A77 Dolby B. I just happen to have the complete manual for that encoder/decoder including schematics, alignment info, the whole nine yards. A few simple modifications and we could have the KVG Labs Noise-O-Matic, compatible with a "world famous tape noise reduction system". ;) > Threaten to use Super ANRS from JVC. I'd forgotten about SuperANRS! > Give them your projected production numbers. I'll bet they'll realize that > your effort is no threat. I don't think they care about analog at all anymore, period. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From cestmoi at att.net Wed Apr 19 23:34:08 2006 From: cestmoi at att.net (Richard Obenauf) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:34:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: <041920062134.10880.4446ACD00008521500002A8021602810600701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Hello Kermit, Someone call Aarfy for me - was there an argument against outboard N/R? Dolby would still be a possibility, but would not have to be licensed. I've been trying to follow this thread, but it's become awfully long and it's possible I missed something. Richard -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Kermit V. Gray" > Hi Antoine, > > Antoine Desch�nes wrote: > > Just looking, NE645 seems to be for B&C. > > > > Yes, but you cannot buy the chips without being a dolby licensee. I'm > stuck in a Catch-22> Someone call Yossarian for me, I need help! > > > Discrete could be a solution, but, $$$. > > > > Not being able to get new ICs might be a reason to have no Dolby. > > As well as the hassle of it. > > (snip) From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 19 23:36:19 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:36:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4446AD53.2040500@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > That's good to hear.. will they sound as good on another deck, without > dolby, as a Doly C tape sounds played back on thier deck with Dolby? Are the > benefits of your process portable like that, or will it sound like a > cassette playing with out Dolby, having less dynamic range, more noise, > etc.? Here's what I'm trying to do with this deck, briefly. WARNING! OVERSIMPLIFIED TECH CONTENT: That the inherent noise of analog magnetic tape is caused by unmagnetizable oxide particles (either because of the random orientation or because of the minimum magnetic flux needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual particle.) The tape's design affects the minimum magnetic flux needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual particle. How the tape is manufactured affects the randomness of each particle's orientation. What I'm developing is a method during record to magnetize more of the particles that aren't magnetized ordinarily, reducing noise in the process below what is usujally achieved without some form of proceessing the signal for noise reduction. I've had this working with high speed reel-to-reels for sme time but adapting to cassettes is more difficult, but still achievable. So the ultimate quietness of a tape recorded on my deck played on another deck will depend on how quiet the other deck's playback amps are. I think the 600 and other Naks have very quiet playback amps and thus will be able to play the tapes made on my deck without the need of Dolby B. Because no compression is used by this deck for its approach to noise reduction you'll not hear the same thing as you do with a Dolby endcoded tape played unencoded. See? The peak dynamic range of analog tape is the range from the minimum fluxivity needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual particle to point where no mor eparticles can be magnetized, causing clipping. This presumes no noise is added by the audio electronics and no processing by noise reduction schema like Dolby or dbx. > And my other concern, that I already mentioned, was your deck's ability to > play back Dolby recorded cassettes as well as a Dolby equiped deck can, or > did you decide that your are going to include some form of Dolby processing > after all, that one can switch out of the circuit when using your system? This is an unresolved issue. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kjackson at fast-mail.org Wed Apr 19 23:35:24 2006 From: kjackson at fast-mail.org (Keith Jackson) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:35:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Message-ID: My initial exuberance about violins on the Nak was very subjective, not even comparing same recordings on CD vs Tape, though it was the same composition, Mazart's Night Music. The violins on the CD were crystal clear, though had a difficult to describe buzz that did not seem natural. It should be easy to see if the resolution of CDs is not up to the task of reproducing certain instruments, if you had a Super CD player and a good sound computer sound card. Record from the super CD onto your computer at a high sampling rate, eg 32 bit/96 kHz. Save the file and another version down-sampled to CD specs (16/44.1)... then audition. I would love to try this out, but I am stuck with $10 thrift store equipment ;) Probably such comparisons are available on the net? Anyone know some links? Or want to try this experiment out themselves? From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 19 23:43:26 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:43:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <041920062134.10880.4446ACD00008521500002A8021602810600701039B9C0A0C@att.net> References: <041920062134.10880.4446ACD00008521500002A8021602810600701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Message-ID: <4446AEFE.2020207@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Richard, Richard Obenauf wrote: > Someone call Aarfy for me - was there an argument against outboard >N/R? Dolby would still be a possibility, but would not have to be >licensed. I've been trying to follow this thread, but it's become >awfully long and it's possible I missed something. Pithy and to the point. Yes, it appears I'm limited to using an outboard Dolby. Only those who want it to replay tapes made on other decks will want the option anyway. I may design or clone my own Dolby B-compatible decoder, but it's not a priority. I'm confident once someone hears this deck they'll never want to use Dolby again. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 19 23:55:44 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:55:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4446B1E0.10905@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Keith, I've had the opportunity to hear every imaginable instrument recorded on high end studio digital recorders and consoles. Anything with a Meitner convertor will be pristine clean and as good as anything analog ever dreamed of. Try a Genex 8500 or 9000 and enjoy the splendor. In contrast, Sony PCM-3348 machines are hard and unmusical. Bottom line: just as there are good and bad sounding analog recorders all digital recorders aren't equal. Some are truly fabulous and some are horrible. Technique, not technology, matters most. Keith Jackson wrote: > My initial exuberance about violins on the Nak was very subjective, not > even comparing same recordings on CD vs Tape, though it was the same > composition, Mazart's Night Music. The violins on the CD were crystal > clear, though had a difficult to describe buzz that did not seem natural. > > It should be easy to see if the resolution of CDs is not up to the task > of reproducing certain instruments, if you had a Super CD player and a > good sound computer sound card. Record from the super CD onto your > computer at a high sampling rate, eg 32 bit/96 kHz. Save the file and > another version down-sampled to CD specs (16/44.1)... then audition. > > I would love to try this out, but I am stuck with $10 thrift store > equipment ;) > > Probably such comparisons are available on the net? Anyone know some > links? Or want to try this experiment out themselves? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kjackson at fast-mail.org Thu Apr 20 00:12:02 2006 From: kjackson at fast-mail.org (Keith Jackson) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:12:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Message-ID: <208B6FDD-D178-4E3E-B0D3-45C39FAFA342@fast-mail.org> Here is a link with a graph showing the precision of CD audio on a 10 kHz sine wave. It is not very impressive. Certainly oversampling smooths things out and the wave a CD player spits out is a lot smoother. But, how much? I dunno. http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question487.htm Even on lower notes, Violins have a lot of harmonics above 10 kHz. Perhaps this low resolution is responsible for my perceived "buzz"? Certainly analogue devices like tape smooth out the wave, at their resolving limit. But what is their resolving limit? Think about this: CD sampling rate is 44.1 kHz, just over the minimum required to produce a saw tooth 20kHz wave. This would be smoothed out to sine wave or something inferior by the CD player. A Nak is capable of recording and playback of a 20kHz signal, according to stated specifications. The resolution (accurancy of reproducing an sound wave) of a Nak is thus at least as great as that of a CD player, and is probably greater. It is erroneous to think that analogue devices smooth out sound to a more enjoyable reproduction, it simply can not be the case (it can not be doing any more smoothing than what a CD player's oversampling circuit does). I would presume that there existed now dead science practiced by magnet gurus of Maxell, TDK, etc that took into account magnetic particle size, density, energy absorption, and tape speed to determine ultimate resolution of the recording media. Anyone here of that generation? The limiting factors of analogue devices are THD, wow and flutter, and dynamic range. Digital does handily take care of these factors. From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 20 00:29:14 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:29:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4446AD53.2040500@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Ahh.. OK, I see what you mean about not needing dolby for playback now, if the playback decks amps are quiet enough.. actually, any would be quiet enough, because they come in after the Dolby processing, right? Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:36 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > That's good to hear.. will they sound as good on another deck, without > dolby, as a Doly C tape sounds played back on thier deck with Dolby? Are the > benefits of your process portable like that, or will it sound like a > cassette playing with out Dolby, having less dynamic range, more noise, > etc.? Here's what I'm trying to do with this deck, briefly. WARNING! OVERSIMPLIFIED TECH CONTENT: That the inherent noise of analog magnetic tape is caused by unmagnetizable oxide particles (either because of the random orientation or because of the minimum magnetic flux needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual particle.) The tape's design affects the minimum magnetic flux needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual particle. How the tape is manufactured affects the randomness of each particle's orientation. What I'm developing is a method during record to magnetize more of the particles that aren't magnetized ordinarily, reducing noise in the process below what is usujally achieved without some form of proceessing the signal for noise reduction. I've had this working with high speed reel-to-reels for sme time but adapting to cassettes is more difficult, but still achievable. So the ultimate quietness of a tape recorded on my deck played on another deck will depend on how quiet the other deck's playback amps are. I think the 600 and other Naks have very quiet playback amps and thus will be able to play the tapes made on my deck without the need of Dolby B. Because no compression is used by this deck for its approach to noise reduction you'll not hear the same thing as you do with a Dolby endcoded tape played unencoded. See? The peak dynamic range of analog tape is the range from the minimum fluxivity needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual particle to point where no mor eparticles can be magnetized, causing clipping. This presumes no noise is added by the audio electronics and no processing by noise reduction schema like Dolby or dbx. > And my other concern, that I already mentioned, was your deck's ability to > play back Dolby recorded cassettes as well as a Dolby equiped deck can, or > did you decide that your are going to include some form of Dolby processing > after all, that one can switch out of the circuit when using your system? This is an unresolved issue. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or that if they don't care 'bout >> it you'll build and skip the licensing part >> (quoting him as the source that "they didn't care").-kby > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 03:19:49 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4446D9CB.9090901@snet.net> Message-ID: <20060420011949.6716.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kerm and Ed, There are a few other makers of Dolby chips. Sony and Hitachi are two of them. Putting in a comprehensive Dolby B, C and S solution is not technically difficult. I really like the ext feature on the ZXL decks to allow external processors. Dolby seems to be a highly secretive company. And its very smart and tight on technicalities. You don't see any of their ex-engineers going into the NR business or anyone trying for their share of the turf. So you guys have it summed up. You need Dolby but Ray isn't going to give it to you..hehe! But please no discrete circuits. Kermit, I think you know the complications. Regards Bala 79Labs Edward Noyes wrote: Bottom line is that Dolby chips should be readily available. For a limited production run, why not just implement the circuit... or perhaps build an all discrete dolby module like the Nak 600. Ed Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Kimo, > > I wish I'd have thought of that! > > Kimo B. Yap wrote: > >> Yeah; snidely remark back that if there ain't no money in it, then >> why don't they just >> put them in the public domain :-). Or that if they don't care 'bout >> it you'll build and skip the licensing part >> (quoting him as the source that "they didn't care").-kby > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 03:34:43 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR decks In-Reply-To: <4446A89E.5000800@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060420013443.79026.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter and Dean, The DR10 is essentially a re-badged DR2. Not too sure about the other one. Bala 79Labs Wouter Heijke wrote: I'm posting this for Dean... Wouter Hi All: Can anyone tell me the difference between a DR-1, DR-2 and a DR-10? Thanks Dean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! 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The RIAA has suggested the following possible losses: down to 20 kHz after one play, 18 kHz after three plays, 17 kHz after five, 16 kHz after eight, 14 kHz after fifteen, 13 kHz after twenty five, 10 kHz after thirty five, and 8 kHz after eighty plays. Degradation can be accelerated by playing a vinyl disk repeatedly in quick succession. The enormous pressure of the stylus in the groove - on a microscopic scale - causes the material to instantaneously heat up and become distorted. With time, the vinyl tends to return to its original shape. To obtain maximum life from vinyl records, audiophiles typically will play them no more than once per day, then allow them to rest. Gramophones suffer from rumble, low-frequency (below about 30 Hz) mechanical noise generated by the motor bearings and picked up by the stylus. Equipment of modest quality is relatively unaffected by these issues, as the amplifier and speaker will not reproduce such low frequencies, but high-fidelity turntable assemblies need careful design to minimise audible rumble. Room vibrations will also be picked up if the ambient - plinth - turntable - pickup arm - stylus system is not well damped. Tonearm skating forces and other perturbations are also picked up by the stylus. This is a form of frequency multiplexing as the "control signal" (restoring force) used to keep the stylus in the groove is carried by the same mechanism as the sound itself. Subsonic frequencies below about 20 Hz in the audio signal contain this unwanted, but inaudible, tracking noise, with unwanted rumble and desired low bass at a slightly higher frequency, followed by the remaining musical content at higher frequencies. High fidelity sound equipment can reproduce tracking noise and rumble. During a quiet passage, woofer speaker cones can sometimes be seen to vibrate with the subsonic tracking of the stylus, at frequencies as low as about 0.5 Hz (the frequency at which a 33-1/3 rpm record turns on the turntable). At higher frequencies hiss is generated as the stylus rubs against the vinyl. Also, For modern recordings, the controversy between analog recording and digital recording is becoming not as clear because no matter what format the user uses, the recording probably was digital at several stages in its life. But, yes, I'm looking forward to the imporvements that DVD audio and the Sony SACD will do for the digital signals and we will be seeing these come down in price rapidly. One more reason to save you Nak and keep it in good condition so that you can playback your tapes and record them onto the imporved media. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Keith Jackson Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Here is a link with a graph showing the precision of CD audio on a 10 kHz sine wave. It is not very impressive. Certainly oversampling smooths things out and the wave a CD player spits out is a lot smoother. But, how much? I dunno. http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question487.htm Even on lower notes, Violins have a lot of harmonics above 10 kHz. Perhaps this low resolution is responsible for my perceived "buzz"? Certainly analogue devices like tape smooth out the wave, at their resolving limit. But what is their resolving limit? Think about this: CD sampling rate is 44.1 kHz, just over the minimum required to produce a saw tooth 20kHz wave. This would be smoothed out to sine wave or something inferior by the CD player. A Nak is capable of recording and playback of a 20kHz signal, according to stated specifications. The resolution (accurancy of reproducing an sound wave) of a Nak is thus at least as great as that of a CD player, and is probably greater. It is erroneous to think that analogue devices smooth out sound to a more enjoyable reproduction, it simply can not be the case (it can not be doing any more smoothing than what a CD player's oversampling circuit does). I would presume that there existed now dead science practiced by magnet gurus of Maxell, TDK, etc that took into account magnetic particle size, density, energy absorption, and tape speed to determine ultimate resolution of the recording media. Anyone here of that generation? The limiting factors of analogue devices are THD, wow and flutter, and dynamic range. Digital does handily take care of these factors. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Apr 20 04:34:51 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:34:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit: cheap legal 100% Dolby chips? Message-ID: <8D38EDCC-E3D1-44A0-A699-94581CB25FF2@alumni.caltech.edu> Kermit, I actually remembered something which might be useful. Those of us who are long-time Apple Macintosh users remember that back in the "old days" Apple defended its patents pretty heavily. What they actually had patented and guarded were the ROM chips that went into the machines. Without the official Apple ROM, it was hard to make something that would work 100% compatibly with the OS. There were various solutions tried, like clean-room reverse engineering and all that, none of which succeeded completely for various reasons. However, there was one that moderately succeded, used mostly by people who wanted to make Macs that Apple didn't sell (like cheaper/faster laptops at the time), and that was they built the whole machine around what they knew the chip was, then the user just had to bring in an old machine that had the chips in it--the license fee had already been paid, and the chips were just transplanted into the new machine. There can't be that many types of Dolby chips out there, and there must surely be plenty of old cassette machines out there (not Naks) that this would be a glorious final fate for...especially since we're talking low volume. Also, how well this succeeds also hinges on how much effort Dolby is willing to put in to bringing a suit to defend the case, which I would guess isn't all that much. -kby From patrick at fitz-simons.com Thu Apr 20 05:59:25 2006 From: patrick at fitz-simons.com (Patrick Fitz-Simons) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:59:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z References: p06230951c00b18ecfafd@[130.91.131.39] Message-ID: <4447071D.8040101@fitz-simons.com> Tomas, Many thanks for posting the 480 manual! i have been searching for months. My 480 has developed a nasty hiccup press play = the transport oscillates... the head assembly and control cam jumps back and forth and the record lamp flashes... ther is an audible "bump, bump, bump, bump" through playback- if I disable (remove) the record safety switch normal play back resumes. been using freeze spray to try to isolate what appears to be a nasty little feed back loop. ahhhhhh but thanks to you I don't have to fly blind. cheers! Patrick From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 20 07:22:04 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:22:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4446A95D.60009@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit wrote, This will depend on how quiet the other deck's playback amps are. I >think the 600 and other Naks have very quiet playback anmps and thus will >be able to play the tapes made on my deck without the need of Dolby B. For me is 100% TRUE...as I hear trough my lovely Dragon! Cam be that my ARC SP-9/ll help!??? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: RE : Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:19:25 -0500 > >Hi Antoine, > >Antoine Desch�nes wrote: >>Just looking, NE645 seems to be for B&C. >> > >Yes, but you cannot buy the chips without being a dolby licensee. I'm stuck >in a Catch-22> Someone call Yossarian for me, I need help! > >>Discrete could be a solution, but, $$$. >> >>Not being able to get new ICs might be a reason to have no Dolby. > >As well as the hassle of it. > >>I thought about it the other day. Even if the deck is able to record with >>less noise, will other decks be playing well enough so that Dolby isn't >>even needed? > >This will depend on how quiet the other deck's playback amps are. I think >the 600 and other Naks have very quiet playback anmps and thus will be able >to play the tapes made on my deck without the need of Dolby B. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kjackson at fast-mail.org Thu Apr 20 07:48:23 2006 From: kjackson at fast-mail.org (Keith Jackson) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:48:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Message-ID: <6E5513B9-ED91-4B6E-A81A-28DFF4918747@fast-mail.org> Here is a high quality set of instrument recordings in 16/44.1 format. They will soon be releasing a set of 24/96 samples as well that would be useful in seeing whether you can hear the difference. http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html According to this article on digital sampling, 44.1 is enough to capture the full resolution of audible sound. it is pretty dense and has some heavy math to back up this assertion. http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf However, there is utility for higher sampling in the recording studio, as this article explains (see section "Why record ultrasonics"): http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/SoapBox/soap2_Apogee.htm I am not into math enough to understand something though: everyone has seen aliasing (moire) in magazine print and possibly one's own digital images. Can a two dimensional moire pattern be generated by a CD player reconstructing a violin's sound, resulting in my perceived "buzzing"?? From flifton at mac.com Thu Apr 20 07:53:33 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:53:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Not Dolby In-Reply-To: <200604192235.k3JMZiEY013307@zxe.naks.com> References: <200604192235.k3JMZiEY013307@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1C70F88F-EEB9-4DD5-8619-F324F65A9EFB@mac.com> Couldn't you just go with "The Noise Reduction System Formerly Known as Dolby" and then add a little symbol? Just don't make the decks purple. F On Apr 19, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Kermit wrote: > compatible with a "world famous tape noise reduction system". ;) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I want to make use of the special external connectors on the 700zxe. Thanks, _Fuad From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Apr 20 10:03:08 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:03:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] High-com II A and B versions In-Reply-To: <200604200205_MC3-1-BD02-9C2B@compuserve.com> References: <200604200205_MC3-1-BD02-9C2B@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <4447403C.9080203@xs4all.nl> Hi Fuad, I also think that was the main difference. It has been some time but once I used two A models with my 700ZXE/680ZX for recording and playback. You'll need 2 units to be able record and playback and hear the results. As far as I remember it was a non-standard way of connecting the 2 units, you connect 1 for encode and the other to decode the signal. Later I bought a B model that makes it a little easier to use one since it has the disk option. Wouter Compudude wrote: > Hi, > > Talking about obsolete noise-reduction schemes and patents reminded me > about the two High-Com II systems I bought for my 700zxe couple years ago. > I finally had some time to try them out, but soon found out that my units > are the older "A" version which don't have the "disk" switch position as > shown in the 700zxe manual. Therefore, I was not able to calibrate and use > them as described in the manual. From the block diagram, the only > difference between the "A" and the newer "B" models seem to be the > provision of this "disk" setting on the mode switch. > > Does anybody know if there are any other differences between the two > versions? Can I modify one of my units to have a "disk" mode selection > (required for the decoding unit only)? I want to make use of the special > external connectors on the 700zxe. > > Thanks, > _Fuad > From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Thu Apr 20 04:55:07 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:55:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR decks In-Reply-To: <4446A89E.5000800@xs4all.nl> References: <4446A89E.5000800@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060419224543.030c6308@pop.videotron.ca> At 17:16 04/19/2006, you wrote: >I'm posting this for Dean... >Wouter >Hi All: >Can anyone tell me the difference between a DR-1, DR-2 and a DR-10? >Thanks >Dean All three decks are basically the same except for DR-1 which features user adjustable playback azimuth. I think DR-1 also has adjustable output level and gold plated RCA jacks. Except for cosmetics, DR-1 is also the same as Cassette Deck 1 while DR-2 and DR-8 are the same as Cassette Deck 1.5 . From N4229K at aol.com Thu Apr 20 12:54:53 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:54:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR decks Message-ID: <3c7.93acac.3178c27d@aol.com> So if compared to a ZX-7 the DRs are average Naks just above a BX deck? Talking in loose terms? Dean In a message dated 4/20/2006 5:39:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, audioetc at videotron.qc.ca writes: At 17:16 04/19/2006, you wrote: >I'm posting this for Dean... >Wouter >Hi All: >Can anyone tell me the difference between a DR-1, DR-2 and a DR-10? >Thanks >Dean All three decks are basically the same except for DR-1 which features user adjustable playback azimuth. I think DR-1 also has adjustable output level and gold plated RCA jacks. Except for cosmetics, DR-1 is also the same as Cassette Deck 1 while DR-2 and DR-8 are the same as Cassette Deck 1.5 . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think DR-1 also has adjustable >output level and gold plated RCA jacks. > >Except for cosmetics, DR-1 is also the same as Cassette Deck 1 while >DR-2 and DR-8 are the same as Cassette Deck 1.5 . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Thu Apr 20 11:21:51 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:21:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR decks Message-ID: <934800182.20060420112151@kharkov.ua> Hi Bala, I thought it might me interesting to look at the results of HIGH-END TEST by Richard Black: http://measurements.hi-fi.ru/gallery/nakamichi/dr10.html It is quite illuminating. Tell me if I'm wrong but I suspect that the author's observation on the sound quality: "the audio electronics are far from being imperceptible" is probably applicable to the other models in the DR series. Sergei Thursday, April 20, 2006, 3:34:43 AM, you wrote: BGC> Hi Wouter and Dean, BGC> The DR10 is essentially a re-badged DR2. Not too sure about the other one. BGC> Bala BGC> 79Labs BGC> Wouter Heijke wrote: BGC> I'm posting this for Dean... BGC> Wouter BGC> Hi All: BGC> Can anyone tell me the difference between a DR-1, DR-2 and a DR-10? BGC> Thanks BGC> Dean From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 20 11:16:48 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:16:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Message-ID: Just received this lovely article! >Yikes, Brasso and CDs? Robert Hart from Audio Tweakers sent me an interesting article about retrieving both music and data from CDs scratched beyond usability. I took one of my kid's discs that would no longer play and tried it. Doggone if it didn�t work! Basically, you use Brasso, which is an abrasive metal polish, to remove a slight layer of the scratched plastic on the disc to get it to work again. I would not recommend this on anything you really care about, but if you have a disc that�s scratched beyond usability, what have you got to lose? Here�s what you do: First gather the following materials: >Paper towel (softer is better) >Polishing cloth (eyeglasses cloth will do fine) >CD scratched beyond playability (Easy to find) >Can of Brasso Metal Polish >Car wax or Rainex water repellant windshield wax Add Brasso and start polishing! >Take some of the Brasso and pour it onto the CD. Please be careful with the Brasso, and only perform this in a well-ventilated area. I wasted many an hour in the Army using this stuff to polish my belt buckle and I can tell you the fumes are nasty. >Use the paper towel pieces to polish the CD. Polishing is ideal in straight strokes from the center of the disk to the outside so you polish perpendicular to the tracks on the disc. Take your time with this. Add Brasso when it dries or gets pushed off the CD. Continue this process for about 15 minutes. >You should feel the abrasiveness of the Brasso on the CD as you are doing this. If not, then use a different paper towel. The Brasso is removing part of the plastic from the disc - not adding to it. You�re actually scraping away part of the CD which makes the existing scratches smaller. >After 15 minutes or so, rinse the CD off under water and check the CD. The Brasso will have left small scratches on the disc as it wore down the CD. Keep going until the deep scratches are gone, and all that remains are the marks from the Brasso (they will diminish as you continue and get an even surface again). >When done, rinse the disc, and wipe it with the soft eyeglass cloth. >To finish the job, you can polish it with car wax, or my favorite, Rainex which is a windshield polish found at most auto stores. Let me know how it works for you! ALEX! >From: Keith Jackson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:48:23 -0600 > >Here is a high quality set of instrument recordings in 16/44.1 format. >They will soon be releasing a set of 24/96 samples as well that would be >useful in seeing whether you can hear the difference. > >http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html > >According to this article on digital sampling, 44.1 is enough to capture >the full resolution of audible sound. it is pretty dense and has some >heavy math to back up this assertion. > >http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf > >However, there is utility for higher sampling in the recording studio, as >this article explains (see section "Why record ultrasonics"): > >http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/SoapBox/soap2_Apogee.htm > > >I am not into math enough to understand something though: everyone has >seen aliasing (moire) in magazine print and possibly one's own digital >images. Can a two dimensional moire pattern be generated by a CD player >reconstructing a violin's sound, resulting in my perceived "buzzing"?? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Apr 20 12:28:53 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 6:28:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit: cheap legal 100% Dolby chips? Message-ID: <20060420102853.PHWD17664.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> > > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Date: 2006/04/19 Wed PM 10:34:51 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Kermit: cheap legal 100% Dolby chips? > > Kermit, > I actually remembered something which might be useful. > > Those of us who are long-time Apple Macintosh users remember that > back in the "old days" Apple defended its patents > pretty heavily. What they actually had patented and guarded were the > ROM chips that went into the machines. Without > the official Apple ROM, it was hard to make something that would work > 100% compatibly with the OS. There were various > solutions tried, like clean-room reverse engineering and all that, > none of which succeeded completely for various reasons. > > However, there was one that moderately succeded, used mostly by Ah yes, the Franklin Ace? From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Thu Apr 20 14:28:50 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:28:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR decks Message-ID: <11416018964.20060420142850@kharkov.ua> Hi Bala, I thought it might me interesting to look at the results of HIGH-END TEST by Richard Black: http://measurements.hi-fi.ru/gallery/nakamichi/dr10.html It is quite illuminating. Tell me if I'm wrong but I suspect that the author's observation on the sound quality: "the audio electronics are far from being imperceptible" is probably applicable to the other models in the DR series. Sergei Thursday, April 20, 2006, 3:34:43 AM, you wrote: BGC> Hi Wouter and Dean, BGC> The DR10 is essentially a re-badged DR2. Not too sure about the other one. BGC> Bala BGC> 79Labs BGC> Wouter Heijke wrote: BGC> I'm posting this for Dean... BGC> Wouter BGC> Hi All: BGC> Can anyone tell me the difference between a DR-1, DR-2 and a DR-10? BGC> Thanks BGC> Dean From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 20 15:58:38 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:58:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4446AEFE.2020207@woods-and-waters.com> References: <041920062134.10880.4446ACD00008521500002A8021602810600701039B9C0A0C@att.net> <041920062134.10880.4446ACD00008521500002A8021602810600701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060420085838.0082edf0@earthlink.net> Kermit, The solution is to offer a separate outboard dulby (sic) module, so they can't stop the deck's production. NE645s can be gotten. How many do you need? tom brucker At 04:43 PM 4/19/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Richard, > >Richard Obenauf wrote: > > Someone call Aarfy for me - was there an argument against outboard > >N/R? Dolby would still be a possibility, but would not have to be > >licensed. I've been trying to follow this thread, but it's become > >awfully long and it's possible I missed something. > >Pithy and to the point. Yes, it appears I'm limited to using an outboard >Dolby. Only those who want it to replay tapes made on other decks will >want the option anyway. I may design or clone my own Dolby B-compatible >decoder, but it's not a priority. I'm confident once someone hears this >deck they'll never want to use Dolby again. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 20 15:54:37 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:54:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4446AD53.2040500@woods-and-waters.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060420085437.0082d9e0@earthlink.net> Kermit, How about a crossfield head for cassette? tom brucker At 04:36 PM 4/19/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Doane, > >Doane Hoag wrote: >> That's good to hear.. will they sound as good on another deck, without >> dolby, as a Doly C tape sounds played back on thier deck with Dolby? Are the >> benefits of your process portable like that, or will it sound like a >> cassette playing with out Dolby, having less dynamic range, more noise, >> etc.? > >Here's what I'm trying to do with this deck, briefly. > >WARNING! OVERSIMPLIFIED TECH CONTENT: That the inherent noise of analog >magnetic tape is caused by unmagnetizable oxide particles (either >because of the random orientation or because of the minimum magnetic >flux needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual >particle.) The tape's design affects the minimum magnetic flux needed to >"switch" the magnetic domains of each individual particle. How the tape >is manufactured affects the randomness of each particle's orientation. > >What I'm developing is a method during record to magnetize more of the >particles that aren't magnetized ordinarily, reducing noise in the >process below what is usujally achieved without some form of proceessing >the signal for noise reduction. I've had this working with high speed >reel-to-reels for sme time but adapting to cassettes is more difficult, >but still achievable. > >So the ultimate quietness of a tape recorded on my deck played on >another deck will depend on how quiet the other deck's playback amps >are. I think the 600 and other Naks have very quiet playback amps and >thus will be able to play the tapes made on my deck without the need of >Dolby B. Because no compression is used by this deck for its approach to >noise reduction you'll not hear the same thing as you do with a Dolby >endcoded tape played unencoded. See? > >The peak dynamic range of analog tape is the range from the minimum >fluxivity needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual >particle to point where no mor eparticles can be magnetized, causing >clipping. This presumes no noise is added by the audio electronics and >no processing by noise reduction schema like Dolby or dbx. > > >> And my other concern, that I already mentioned, was your deck's ability to >> play back Dolby recorded cassettes as well as a Dolby equiped deck can, or >> did you decide that your are going to include some form of Dolby processing >> after all, that one can switch out of the circuit when using your system? > >This is an unresolved issue. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 20 17:00:22 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:00:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <6E5513B9-ED91-4B6E-A81A-28DFF4918747@fast-mail.org> Message-ID: Keith: That's a great link to the Uni of Iowa, I had no idea they had those sound instrument recordings. It would be very revealing to be able to compare the two types of sampling with the same musical piece. I hope they can get that finished soon. As to your moire question, my understanding is that aliasing is not the same as moire which is an optical illusion causing perceived pattern movement. Alisaing is simply the mixing of pixels near the border of diagonal or curving lines to lessen the jagged look in graphics. I really don't know how this would relate to sound wave forms... if they use the term aliased (I don't know), they are probably using it in a subjective way to describe how the digiatal wave form is smoothed while it is actually a totally different process then graphics use. I'm sure someone here will know more about this. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Keith Jackson Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Here is a high quality set of instrument recordings in 16/44.1 format. They will soon be releasing a set of 24/96 samples as well that would be useful in seeing whether you can hear the difference. http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html According to this article on digital sampling, 44.1 is enough to capture the full resolution of audible sound. it is pretty dense and has some heavy math to back up this assertion. http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf However, there is utility for higher sampling in the recording studio, as this article explains (see section "Why record ultrasonics"): http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/SoapBox/soap2_Apogee.htm I am not into math enough to understand something though: everyone has seen aliasing (moire) in magazine print and possibly one's own digital images. Can a two dimensional moire pattern be generated by a CD player reconstructing a violin's sound, resulting in my perceived "buzzing"?? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 20 17:28:55 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:28:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex: I don't presently have any scratched CDs but will keep this in mind next time one goes bad. If Brasso works, I would think that rubbing compound from an auto store would be even more effective, without those fumes you mentioned. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Just received this lovely article! >Yikes, Brasso and CDs? Robert Hart from Audio Tweakers sent me an interesting article about retrieving both music and data from CDs scratched beyond usability. I took one of my kid's discs that would no longer play and tried it. Doggone if it didn’t work! Basically, you use Brasso, which is an abrasive metal polish, to remove a slight layer of the scratched plastic on the disc to get it to work again. I would not recommend this on anything you really care about, but if you have a disc that’s scratched beyond usability, what have you got to lose? Here’s what you do: First gather the following materials: >Paper towel (softer is better) >Polishing cloth (eyeglasses cloth will do fine) >CD scratched beyond playability (Easy to find) >Can of Brasso Metal Polish >Car wax or Rainex water repellant windshield wax Add Brasso and start polishing! >Take some of the Brasso and pour it onto the CD. Please be careful with the Brasso, and only perform this in a well-ventilated area. I wasted many an hour in the Army using this stuff to polish my belt buckle and I can tell you the fumes are nasty. >Use the paper towel pieces to polish the CD. Polishing is ideal in straight strokes from the center of the disk to the outside so you polish perpendicular to the tracks on the disc. Take your time with this. Add Brasso when it dries or gets pushed off the CD. Continue this process for about 15 minutes. >You should feel the abrasiveness of the Brasso on the CD as you are doing this. If not, then use a different paper towel. The Brasso is removing part of the plastic from the disc - not adding to it. You’re actually scraping away part of the CD which makes the existing scratches smaller. >After 15 minutes or so, rinse the CD off under water and check the CD. The Brasso will have left small scratches on the disc as it wore down the CD. Keep going until the deep scratches are gone, and all that remains are the marks from the Brasso (they will diminish as you continue and get an even surface again). >When done, rinse the disc, and wipe it with the soft eyeglass cloth. >To finish the job, you can polish it with car wax, or my favorite, Rainex which is a windshield polish found at most auto stores. Let me know how it works for you! ALEX! >From: Keith Jackson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:48:23 -0600 > >Here is a high quality set of instrument recordings in 16/44.1 format. >They will soon be releasing a set of 24/96 samples as well that would be >useful in seeing whether you can hear the difference. > >http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html > >According to this article on digital sampling, 44.1 is enough to capture >the full resolution of audible sound. it is pretty dense and has some >heavy math to back up this assertion. > >http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf > >However, there is utility for higher sampling in the recording studio, as >this article explains (see section "Why record ultrasonics"): > >http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/SoapBox/soap2_Apogee.htm > > >I am not into math enough to understand something though: everyone has >seen aliasing (moire) in magazine print and possibly one's own digital >images. Can a two dimensional moire pattern be generated by a CD player >reconstructing a violin's sound, resulting in my perceived "buzzing"?? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 20 17:31:10 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:31:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060420085838.0082edf0@earthlink.net> References: <041920062134.10880.4446ACD00008521500002A8021602810600701039B9C0A0C@att.net> <041920062134.10880.4446ACD00008521500002A8021602810600701039B9C0A0C@att.net> <3.0.3.32.20060420085838.0082edf0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4447A93E.3040907@yahoo.ca> You need licenses for these too... Also, there are a couple of Dolby outboard modules on eBay, but if you want new stock, it's the Dolby 422 and the only price I found for it is $3K. (I'm not sure that it's the real price since a Dolby A/SR module costs $300 on the same site and it's the wrong picture on the Dolby 422 product page) Hi Tech a écrit : > Kermit, > The solution is to offer a separate outboard dulby (sic) module, so they > can't stop the deck's production. NE645s can be gotten. How many do you need? > > tom brucker > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 20 18:02:50 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:02:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: Hi Tom! WHERE can be fitted a "Cross field" head....Think well!!! How can get "IN" in the cassette shell!!!! NO...NO...Tom...was possible by Tandberg & Akai/Roberts...R to R decks...can't do it practically in a cassette deck. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:54:37 -0500 > >Kermit, > How about a crossfield head for cassette? > >tom brucker > >At 04:36 PM 4/19/06 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi Doane, > > > >Doane Hoag wrote: > >> That's good to hear.. will they sound as good on another deck, without > >> dolby, as a Doly C tape sounds played back on thier deck with Dolby? >Are >the > >> benefits of your process portable like that, or will it sound like a > >> cassette playing with out Dolby, having less dynamic range, more noise, > >> etc.? > > > >Here's what I'm trying to do with this deck, briefly. > > > >WARNING! OVERSIMPLIFIED TECH CONTENT: That the inherent noise of analog > >magnetic tape is caused by unmagnetizable oxide particles (either > >because of the random orientation or because of the minimum magnetic > >flux needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual > >particle.) The tape's design affects the minimum magnetic flux needed to > >"switch" the magnetic domains of each individual particle. How the tape > >is manufactured affects the randomness of each particle's orientation. > > > >What I'm developing is a method during record to magnetize more of the > >particles that aren't magnetized ordinarily, reducing noise in the > >process below what is usujally achieved without some form of proceessing > >the signal for noise reduction. I've had this working with high speed > >reel-to-reels for sme time but adapting to cassettes is more difficult, > >but still achievable. > > > >So the ultimate quietness of a tape recorded on my deck played on > >another deck will depend on how quiet the other deck's playback amps > >are. I think the 600 and other Naks have very quiet playback amps and > >thus will be able to play the tapes made on my deck without the need of > >Dolby B. Because no compression is used by this deck for its approach to > >noise reduction you'll not hear the same thing as you do with a Dolby > >endcoded tape played unencoded. See? > > > >The peak dynamic range of analog tape is the range from the minimum > >fluxivity needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual > >particle to point where no mor eparticles can be magnetized, causing > >clipping. This presumes no noise is added by the audio electronics and > >no processing by noise reduction schema like Dolby or dbx. > > > > > >> And my other concern, that I already mentioned, was your deck's ability >to > >> play back Dolby recorded cassettes as well as a Dolby equiped deck can, >or > >> did you decide that your are going to include some form of Dolby >processing > >> after all, that one can switch out of the circuit when using your >system? > > > >This is an unresolved issue. > > > >-- > >Kermit Gray > >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > >pro audio info! > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 20 18:37:09 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:37:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Message-ID: Hi Doane! This specific article is NOT mine...I never had any problems....as I'm extremely carefully when I load a CD in my Philips player. BUT...it's good to learn from other...! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:28:55 -0700 > > >Alex: >I don't presently have any scratched CDs but will keep this in mind next >time one goes bad. If Brasso works, I would think that rubbing compound >from >an auto store would be even more effective, without those fumes you >mentioned. > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:17 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > > >Just received this lovely article! > > >Yikes, Brasso and CDs? >Robert Hart from Audio Tweakers sent me an interesting article about >retrieving >both music and data from CDs scratched beyond usability. I took one of my >kid's >discs that would no longer play and tried it. Doggone if it didn�t work! > >Basically, you use Brasso, which is an abrasive metal polish, to remove a >slight >layer of the scratched plastic on the disc to get it to work again. I would >not >recommend this on anything you really care about, but if you have a disc >that�s >scratched beyond usability, what have you got to lose? > >Here�s what you do: >First gather the following materials: > > >Paper towel (softer is better) > > >Polishing cloth (eyeglasses cloth will do fine) > > >CD scratched beyond playability (Easy to find) > > >Can of Brasso Metal Polish > > >Car wax or Rainex water repellant windshield wax > >Add Brasso and start polishing! > > >Take some of the Brasso and pour it onto the CD. Please be careful with >the >Brasso, and only perform this in a well-ventilated area. I wasted many an >hour >in the Army using this stuff to polish my belt buckle and I can tell you >the >fumes are nasty. > > >Use the paper towel pieces to polish the CD. Polishing is ideal in >straight >strokes from the center of the disk to the outside so you polish >perpendicular >to the tracks on the disc. Take your time with this. Add Brasso when it >dries or >gets pushed off the CD. Continue this process for about 15 minutes. > > >You should feel the abrasiveness of the Brasso on the CD as you are doing >this. If not, then use a different paper towel. The Brasso is removing part >of >the plastic from the disc - not adding to it. You�re actually scraping away >part >of the CD which makes the existing scratches smaller. > > >After 15 minutes or so, rinse the CD off under water and check the CD. >The >Brasso will have left small scratches on the disc as it wore down the CD. >Keep >going until the deep scratches are gone, and all that remains are the marks >from >the Brasso (they will diminish as you continue and get an even surface >again). > > >When done, rinse the disc, and wipe it with the soft eyeglass cloth. > > >To finish the job, you can polish it with car wax, or my favorite, Rainex >which is a windshield polish found at most auto stores. > >Let me know how it works for you! > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Keith Jackson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:48:23 -0600 > > > >Here is a high quality set of instrument recordings in 16/44.1 format. > >They will soon be releasing a set of 24/96 samples as well that would be > >useful in seeing whether you can hear the difference. > > > >http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html > > > >According to this article on digital sampling, 44.1 is enough to capture > >the full resolution of audible sound. it is pretty dense and has some > >heavy math to back up this assertion. > > > >http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf > > > >However, there is utility for higher sampling in the recording studio, >as > >this article explains (see section "Why record ultrasonics"): > > > >http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/SoapBox/soap2_Apogee.htm > > > > > >I am not into math enough to understand something though: everyone has > >seen aliasing (moire) in magazine print and possibly one's own digital > >images. Can a two dimensional moire pattern be generated by a CD player > >reconstructing a violin's sound, resulting in my perceived "buzzing"?? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Apr 20 18:39:41 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:39:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10604200939k2c31e1e6wcc26504f9596f03c@mail.gmail.com> I just use toothpaste. George On 4/20/06, Doane Hoag wrote: > > Alex: > I don't presently have any scratched CDs but will keep this in mind next > time one goes bad. If Brasso works, I would think that rubbing compound from > an auto store would be even more effective, without those fumes you > mentioned. > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > > > Just received this lovely article! > > >Yikes, Brasso and CDs? > Robert Hart from Audio Tweakers sent me an interesting article about > retrieving > both music and data from CDs scratched beyond usability. I took one of my > kid's > discs that would no longer play and tried it. Doggone if it didn't work! > > Basically, you use Brasso, which is an abrasive metal polish, to remove a > slight > layer of the scratched plastic on the disc to get it to work again. I would > not > recommend this on anything you really care about, but if you have a disc > that's > scratched beyond usability, what have you got to lose? > > Here's what you do: > First gather the following materials: > > >Paper towel (softer is better) > > >Polishing cloth (eyeglasses cloth will do fine) > > >CD scratched beyond playability (Easy to find) > > >Can of Brasso Metal Polish > > >Car wax or Rainex water repellant windshield wax > > Add Brasso and start polishing! > > >Take some of the Brasso and pour it onto the CD. Please be careful with the > Brasso, and only perform this in a well-ventilated area. I wasted many an > hour > in the Army using this stuff to polish my belt buckle and I can tell you the > fumes are nasty. > > >Use the paper towel pieces to polish the CD. Polishing is ideal in straight > strokes from the center of the disk to the outside so you polish > perpendicular > to the tracks on the disc. Take your time with this. Add Brasso when it > dries or > gets pushed off the CD. Continue this process for about 15 minutes. > > >You should feel the abrasiveness of the Brasso on the CD as you are doing > this. If not, then use a different paper towel. The Brasso is removing part > of > the plastic from the disc - not adding to it. You're actually scraping away > part > of the CD which makes the existing scratches smaller. > > >After 15 minutes or so, rinse the CD off under water and check the CD. The > Brasso will have left small scratches on the disc as it wore down the CD. > Keep > going until the deep scratches are gone, and all that remains are the marks > from > the Brasso (they will diminish as you continue and get an even surface > again). > > >When done, rinse the disc, and wipe it with the soft eyeglass cloth. > > >To finish the job, you can polish it with car wax, or my favorite, Rainex > which is a windshield polish found at most auto stores. > > Let me know how it works for you! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Keith Jackson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:48:23 -0600 > > > >Here is a high quality set of instrument recordings in 16/44.1 format. > >They will soon be releasing a set of 24/96 samples as well that would be > >useful in seeing whether you can hear the difference. > > > >http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html > > > >According to this article on digital sampling, 44.1 is enough to capture > >the full resolution of audible sound. it is pretty dense and has some > >heavy math to back up this assertion. > > > >http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf > > > >However, there is utility for higher sampling in the recording studio, as > >this article explains (see section "Why record ultrasonics"): > > > >http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/SoapBox/soap2_Apogee.htm > > > > > >I am not into math enough to understand something though: everyone has > >seen aliasing (moire) in magazine print and possibly one's own digital > >images. Can a two dimensional moire pattern be generated by a CD player > >reconstructing a violin's sound, resulting in my perceived "buzzing"?? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From rob at rhoag.com Thu Apr 20 19:28:58 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:28:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <518b7b10604200939k2c31e1e6wcc26504f9596f03c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Whitening or non whitening? Fluoride or non fluoride? What about using the type for sensitive teeth, might it mellow the sound out? Doane -----Original Message----- From: george valkov [mailto:george.valkov at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:40 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital I just use toothpaste. George On 4/20/06, Doane Hoag wrote: > > Alex: > I don't presently have any scratched CDs but will keep this in mind next > time one goes bad. If Brasso works, I would think that rubbing compound from > an auto store would be even more effective, without those fumes you > mentioned. > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > > > Just received this lovely article! > > >Yikes, Brasso and CDs? > Robert Hart from Audio Tweakers sent me an interesting article about > retrieving > both music and data from CDs scratched beyond usability. I took one of my > kid's > discs that would no longer play and tried it. Doggone if it didn't work! > > Basically, you use Brasso, which is an abrasive metal polish, to remove a > slight > layer of the scratched plastic on the disc to get it to work again. I would > not > recommend this on anything you really care about, but if you have a disc > that's > scratched beyond usability, what have you got to lose? > > Here's what you do: > First gather the following materials: > > >Paper towel (softer is better) > > >Polishing cloth (eyeglasses cloth will do fine) > > >CD scratched beyond playability (Easy to find) > > >Can of Brasso Metal Polish > > >Car wax or Rainex water repellant windshield wax > > Add Brasso and start polishing! > > >Take some of the Brasso and pour it onto the CD. Please be careful with the > Brasso, and only perform this in a well-ventilated area. I wasted many an > hour > in the Army using this stuff to polish my belt buckle and I can tell you the > fumes are nasty. > > >Use the paper towel pieces to polish the CD. Polishing is ideal in straight > strokes from the center of the disk to the outside so you polish > perpendicular > to the tracks on the disc. Take your time with this. Add Brasso when it > dries or > gets pushed off the CD. Continue this process for about 15 minutes. > > >You should feel the abrasiveness of the Brasso on the CD as you are doing > this. If not, then use a different paper towel. The Brasso is removing part > of > the plastic from the disc - not adding to it. You're actually scraping away > part > of the CD which makes the existing scratches smaller. > > >After 15 minutes or so, rinse the CD off under water and check the CD. The > Brasso will have left small scratches on the disc as it wore down the CD. > Keep > going until the deep scratches are gone, and all that remains are the marks > from > the Brasso (they will diminish as you continue and get an even surface > again). > > >When done, rinse the disc, and wipe it with the soft eyeglass cloth. > > >To finish the job, you can polish it with car wax, or my favorite, Rainex > which is a windshield polish found at most auto stores. > > Let me know how it works for you! > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: Keith Jackson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:48:23 -0600 > > > >Here is a high quality set of instrument recordings in 16/44.1 format. > >They will soon be releasing a set of 24/96 samples as well that would be > >useful in seeing whether you can hear the difference. > > > >http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html > > > >According to this article on digital sampling, 44.1 is enough to capture > >the full resolution of audible sound. it is pretty dense and has some > >heavy math to back up this assertion. > > > >http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf > > > >However, there is utility for higher sampling in the recording studio, as > >this article explains (see section "Why record ultrasonics"): > > > >http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/SoapBox/soap2_Apogee.htm > > > > > >I am not into math enough to understand something though: everyone has > >seen aliasing (moire) in magazine print and possibly one's own digital > >images. Can a two dimensional moire pattern be generated by a CD player > >reconstructing a violin's sound, resulting in my perceived "buzzing"?? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 20 20:51:16 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:51:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit: cheap legal 100% Dolby chips? In-Reply-To: <8D38EDCC-E3D1-44A0-A699-94581CB25FF2@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <8D38EDCC-E3D1-44A0-A699-94581CB25FF2@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <4447D824.3070809@woods-and-waters.com> Kimo, This is a good idea. New life from dead decks. Kimo B. Yap wrote: > I actually remembered something which might be useful. > ... > There can't be that many types of Dolby chips out there, and there must > surely be plenty of old cassette machines out > there (not Naks) that this would be a glorious final fate > for...especially since we're talking low volume. Also, how well this > succeeds > also hinges on how much effort Dolby is willing to put in to bringing a > suit to defend the case, which I would guess isn't all that much. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 20 20:53:19 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:53:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Not Dolby In-Reply-To: <1C70F88F-EEB9-4DD5-8619-F324F65A9EFB@mac.com> References: <200604192235.k3JMZiEY013307@zxe.naks.com> <1C70F88F-EEB9-4DD5-8619-F324F65A9EFB@mac.com> Message-ID: <4447D89F.3050205@woods-and-waters.com> Fred, Hilarious!!! Alas, they're spoil sports: you cannot use the name Dolby on a product in any form unless you pay royalties, except in printed matter, but even then you have to still use the trademark citation. Fred Lifton wrote: > Couldn't you just go with "The Noise Reduction System Formerly Known as > Dolby" and then add a little symbol? Just don't make the decks purple. > > F > > On Apr 19, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Kermit wrote: > >> compatible with a "world famous tape noise reduction system". ;) -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 20 20:56:17 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:56:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4447D951.8080504@woods-and-waters.com> Alex is right! Perhaps an itty bitty bias head could fit behind the tape where one of the capstan holes are but the record head has to go there too. No, that doesn't work -- the bias head would be too far away. It's official -- Alex is right! Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Tom! > > WHERE can be fitted a "Cross field" head....Think well!!! How can get > "IN" in the cassette shell!!!! > > NO...NO...Tom...was possible by Tandberg & Akai/Roberts...R to R > decks...can't do it practically in a cassette deck. > >> From: Hi Tech >> >> Kermit, >> How about a crossfield head for cassette? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 20 20:57:47 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:57:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060420085838.0082edf0@earthlink.net> References: <041920062134.10880.4446ACD00008521500002A8021602810600701039B9C0A0C@att.net> <041920062134.10880.4446ACD00008521500002A8021602810600701039B9C0A0C@att.net> <3.0.3.32.20060420085838.0082edf0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4447D9AB.3000307@woods-and-waters.com> Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > The solution is to offer a separate outboard dulby (sic) module, so they > can't stop the deck's production. NE645s can be gotten. How many do you need? Two for prototyping, then 500 for production, and a reserve of 200 or more for warranty service and product support. 1000 is a nice round number. > tom brucker > > At 04:43 PM 4/19/06 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hi Richard, >> >>Richard Obenauf wrote: >> >>>Someone call Aarfy for me - was there an argument against outboard >>>N/R? Dolby would still be a possibility, but would not have to be >>>licensed. I've been trying to follow this thread, but it's become >>>awfully long and it's possible I missed something. >> >>Pithy and to the point. Yes, it appears I'm limited to using an outboard >>Dolby. Only those who want it to replay tapes made on other decks will >>want the option anyway. I may design or clone my own Dolby B-compatible >>decoder, but it's not a priority. I'm confident once someone hears this >>deck they'll never want to use Dolby again. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 20 21:06:23 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:06:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <20060420011949.6716.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060420011949.6716.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4447DBAF.80708@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kerm and Ed, > > There are a few other makers of Dolby chips. Sony and Hitachi are > two of them. Putting in a comprehensive Dolby B, C and S solution is not > technically difficult. I really like the ext feature on the ZXL decks to > allow external processors. Dolby seems to be a highly secretive company. > And its very smart and tight on technicalities. You don't see any of > their ex-engineers going into the NR business or anyone trying for their > share of the turf. > > So you guys have it summed up. You need Dolby but Ray isn't going to > give it to you..hehe! But please no discrete circuits. Kermit, I think > you know the complications. Awwww ... I wanted to do an all-tube Dolby decoder using Western Electric 262A and 272A triodes, 12K7 remote cutoff pentodes and quadruple 5Y3 rectifiers with a copper-oxide junction diode Wheatstone bridge styled detector circuit and spray-can-sized oil-filled capacitors. That would make the processor very compact, about the size of a small refrigerator. But I'd put a handle atop it and a forklift pallet beneath it. That would make it able to be advertized as portable (forklift an optional extra). Alas, this is a throny problem. To Dollby or not to Dolby, it may be out of the question. Today, I exercised my futility. You never exercised your futility? You should! Who wants a flabby futility? Anyway, I applied for a license to use Dolby B, C and S. I'm sure they'll get a good laugh then send me an offical Dolby "Go Away, Kid, You Bother Me" letter written by W. C. Fields. We'll see how it goes. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 20 21:08:39 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:08:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4446D9CB.9090901@snet.net> References: <109C27F4-0873-433D-A98A-FED3818431A9@alumni.caltech.edu> <4446A866.5060400@woods-and-waters.com> <4446D9CB.9090901@snet.net> Message-ID: <4447DC37.4000704@woods-and-waters.com> I agree Edward, but if I cannot license the Dolby no one who sells the chips is allowed to sell me the chips. At least, according to Dolby's draconican legal warnings. Discrete circuits may be my last resort but I really do not want to do a discrete circuit. They are a "three aspirin" calibration headache. Edward Noyes wrote: > Bottom line is that Dolby chips should be readily available. For a > limited production run, why not just implement the circuit... or perhaps > build an all discrete dolby module like the Nak 600. > > Ed > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Kimo, >> >> I wish I'd have thought of that! >> >> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> >>> Yeah; snidely remark back that if there ain't no money in it, then >>> why don't they just >>> put them in the public domain :-). Or that if they don't care 'bout >>> it you'll build and skip the licensing part >>> (quoting him as the source that "they didn't care").-kby -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 20 21:20:01 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:20:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <208B6FDD-D178-4E3E-B0D3-45C39FAFA342@fast-mail.org> References: <208B6FDD-D178-4E3E-B0D3-45C39FAFA342@fast-mail.org> Message-ID: <4447DEE1.6040306@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Keith, Keith Jackson wrote: > The limiting factors of analogue devices are THD, wow and flutter, and > dynamic range. Digital does handily take care of these factors. Never forget, though, the limiting factors of digital devices are jitter, aliasing, horrific distortion and sharp clipping caused by overmodulation (in stark contrast to analog's gentle increase of distortion with overmodulation), decreasing low-level resolution as bit depth decreases, bit depth limitations, word length limitations, interpolation errors, error correction effectiveness, transient intermodulation distortion caused by the output filtration, transient ringing caused by the output filtration, phase shift errors induced by both the coding and the caused by the output filtration, quantization noise, sampling rate conversion errors, bit truncation errors, generational errors caused by cumulative errors of the least significant bit, a-to-d convertor mistracking, d-to-a convertor mistracking, copy protection schema sonic artifacts, and did I miss something? I know I did but I cannot think of it. Analog does handily take care of these factors. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 20 21:23:56 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:23:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... In-Reply-To: <002301c662b2$76342f30$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> References: <002301c662b2$76342f30$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Message-ID: <4447DFCC.7050306@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Zsolt, Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I followed the discussion on Kermit's new deck with great enthusiasm. > > If everything goes well I will also be one to buy the full version. > (220V/50Hz !!!) > As I have always hated I hardly have any Dolby encoded cassette, but > I understand the point of those who have. You'll save some money then by not needing the Dolby option. I'm working on the tape mechanism design and the tape head designs at this point. These items actually are more of a design challenge than the audio electronics were! I didn't expect that but I should have! > Unfortunately for a time I have to get 'out of business' for a while, > because > I have to pack in and relocate all my High-end, Hi-Fi, Computer, and related > stuff, as well as all my photo-video equipment due to a very serious danger > of a flood in my home city, Szeged. The level of the river Tisza which > flows > just about 200 meters from my home is already 20 cms higher than ever > before, and it is forecasted that another 20-30 cms is about to > come combined > with a very slow decrease of the level. My family is already safe so now > I can > think of saving the other important parts of my life. > > Please keep your fingers crossed ! Oh dear! I hope you escaped the flooding successfully. At least your family escaped the danger. You can replace equipment, you cannot replace family! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 20 21:39:25 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:39:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4447E36D.7060203@yahoo.ca> Well the deck could pull out the tape from the cassette, like VHS decks are doing. (You can do anything, but it's a bit of exaggeration to get there...) Alex Cozac a écrit : > Hi Tom! > > WHERE can be fitted a "Cross field" head....Think well!!! How can get > "IN" in the cassette shell!!!! > > NO...NO...Tom...was possible by Tandberg & Akai/Roberts...R to R > decks...can't do it practically in a cassette deck. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 20 22:28:29 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:28:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <4447DEE1.6040306@woods-and-waters.com> References: <208B6FDD-D178-4E3E-B0D3-45C39FAFA342@fast-mail.org> <4447DEE1.6040306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4447EEED.7040709@yahoo.ca> And a problem someone might have talked about, wrong speed. A tape deck may not always be 100% right on speed, but Xtals used in digital audio either. By having a more expensive analog player, and by taking care of the media, you can reduce a lot analog problems. And to reduce a lot of digital problems, you also need to get more expensive equipment. A very good CDP then costs probably a lot more than a very good cassette deck at this point(Because companies making these make a LOT of profits). But if we talk about very low cost equipment, a bad CD player IMO sounds better than a bad tape deck. Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hi Keith, > > Keith Jackson wrote: >> The limiting factors of analogue devices are THD, wow and flutter, >> and dynamic range. Digital does handily take care of these factors. > > Never forget, though, the limiting factors of digital devices are > jitter, aliasing, horrific distortion and sharp clipping caused by > overmodulation (in stark contrast to analog's gentle increase of > distortion with overmodulation), decreasing low-level resolution as > bit depth decreases, bit depth limitations, word length limitations, > interpolation errors, error correction effectiveness, transient > intermodulation distortion caused by the output filtration, transient > ringing caused by the output filtration, phase shift errors induced by > both the coding and the caused by the output filtration, quantization > noise, sampling rate conversion errors, bit truncation errors, > generational errors caused by cumulative errors of the least > significant bit, a-to-d convertor mistracking, d-to-a convertor > mistracking, copy protection schema sonic artifacts, and did I miss > something? I know I did but I cannot think of it. > > Analog does handily take care of these factors. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 20 22:49:19 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:49:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <4447EEED.7040709@yahoo.ca> References: <208B6FDD-D178-4E3E-B0D3-45C39FAFA342@fast-mail.org> <4447DEE1.6040306@woods-and-waters.com> <4447EEED.7040709@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4447F3CF.8060909@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > And a problem someone might have talked about, wrong speed. A tape deck > may not always be 100% right on speed, but Xtals used in digital audio > either. > > By having a more expensive analog player, and by taking care of the > media, you can reduce a lot analog problems. > And to reduce a lot of digital problems, you also need to get more > expensive equipment. A very good CDP then costs probably a lot more than > a very good cassette deck at this point(Because companies making these > make a LOT of profits). But if we talk about very low cost equipment, a > bad CD player IMO sounds better than a bad tape deck. Yes, I'd agree with that. That's one of the selling points of CDs, they give good sound inexpensively and conveniently. Whether digital achieves the "best" sound is, obviously, the debate that will never be resolved definitively. You probably know that the top recording studios use both analog and digital recorders to benefit from the advantages of both technologies. > Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > >> Hi Keith, >> >> Keith Jackson wrote: >> >>> The limiting factors of analogue devices are THD, wow and flutter, >>> and dynamic range. Digital does handily take care of these factors. >> >> >> Never forget, though, the limiting factors of digital devices are >> jitter, aliasing, horrific distortion and sharp clipping caused by >> overmodulation (in stark contrast to analog's gentle increase of >> distortion with overmodulation), decreasing low-level resolution as >> bit depth decreases, bit depth limitations, word length limitations, >> interpolation errors, error correction effectiveness, transient >> intermodulation distortion caused by the output filtration, transient >> ringing caused by the output filtration, phase shift errors induced by >> both the coding and the caused by the output filtration, quantization >> noise, sampling rate conversion errors, bit truncation errors, >> generational errors caused by cumulative errors of the least >> significant bit, a-to-d convertor mistracking, d-to-a convertor >> mistracking, copy protection schema sonic artifacts, and did I miss >> something? I know I did but I cannot think of it. >> -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 20 22:50:22 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:50:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4447E36D.7060203@yahoo.ca> References: <4447E36D.7060203@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4447F40E.7090703@woods-and-waters.com> Hey, there's a idea. Tape extractors. Neat. Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Well the deck could pull out the tape from the cassette, like VHS decks > are doing. (You can do anything, but it's a bit of exaggeration to get > there...) > > Alex Cozac a écrit : > >> Hi Tom! >> >> WHERE can be fitted a "Cross field" head....Think well!!! How can get >> "IN" in the cassette shell!!!! >> >> NO...NO...Tom...was possible by Tandberg & Akai/Roberts...R to R >> decks...can't do it practically in a cassette deck. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 20 23:05:50 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:05:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4447F40E.7090703@woods-and-waters.com> References: <4447E36D.7060203@yahoo.ca> <4447F40E.7090703@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4447F7AE.5020808@yahoo.ca> We might lose a bit of sound from instant-start tapes tho. Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hey, there's a idea. Tape extractors. Neat. > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> Well the deck could pull out the tape from the cassette, like VHS >> decks are doing. (You can do anything, but it's a bit of exaggeration >> to get there...) >> >> Alex Cozac a écrit : >> >>> Hi Tom! >>> >>> WHERE can be fitted a "Cross field" head....Think well!!! How can >>> get "IN" in the cassette shell!!!! >>> >>> NO...NO...Tom...was possible by Tandberg & Akai/Roberts...R to R >>> decks...can't do it practically in a cassette deck. > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Apr 20 23:12:45 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:12:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4447F7AE.5020808@yahoo.ca> References: <4447E36D.7060203@yahoo.ca> <4447F40E.7090703@woods-and-waters.com> <4447F7AE.5020808@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4447F94D.8070507@woods-and-waters.com> I'm laughing out loud! We could advertise it as "endless tapes that are truly endless with auto-random tape edit feature." If it's a three head deck then it can do double duty as a tape echo with the endless cassettes. Antoine Deschênes wrote: > We might lose a bit of sound from instant-start tapes tho. > > Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > >> Hey, there's a idea. Tape extractors. Neat. >> >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> >>> Well the deck could pull out the tape from the cassette, like VHS >>> decks are doing. (You can do anything, but it's a bit of exaggeration >>> to get there...) >>> >>> Alex Cozac a écrit : >>> >>>> Hi Tom! >>>> >>>> WHERE can be fitted a "Cross field" head....Think well!!! How can >>>> get "IN" in the cassette shell!!!! >>>> >>>> NO...NO...Tom...was possible by Tandberg & Akai/Roberts...R to R >>>> decks...can't do it practically in a cassette deck. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 20 23:15:42 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:15:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <208B6FDD-D178-4E3E-B0D3-45C39FAFA342@fast-mail.org> References: <208B6FDD-D178-4E3E-B0D3-45C39FAFA342@fast-mail.org> Message-ID: <4447F9FE.4060801@rcn.com> Keith Jackson wrote: > Here is a link with a graph showing the precision of CD audio on a 10 > kHz sine wave. It is not very impressive. The graph depicts the output of the disc, that is of neither importance not relevance. What the graph shows is filtered before appearing at the player output. That point can contain pure sine wave, if done right. > Certainly oversampling smooths > things out and the wave a CD player spits out is a lot smoother. But, > how much? I dunno. At 10KHz, 'the wave a CD player spits out' should be and often is completely smooth. Oversampling helps as you get closer to the Nyquist frequency -- 22,050Hz, in this case. > http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question487.htm > > Even on lower notes, Violins have a lot of harmonics above 10 kHz. > Perhaps this low resolution is responsible for my perceived "buzz"? I doubt it. Such buzz sometimes appears on analog recordings. > Certainly analogue devices like tape smooth out the wave, at their > resolving limit. But what is their resolving limit? Infinite (actually, maybe not infinite, but very, very, very high). Once you understand this, you also understand the value -- or lack thereof -- of an ad extolling a cable or amp as 'high resolution'. The advertiser is pushing the meaningless claim in the hope that you and I (and a million other readers) have no clue what resolution is, except that the higher the better. Fact is, *any* analog device, by definition, has a close to infinite resolution. > Think about this: CD sampling rate is 44.1 kHz, just over the minimum > required to produce a saw tooth 20kHz wave. Not true. 'Just over the minimum required to produce a sine wave' is correct. As you know, a saw tooth wave contains much higher harmonics than it's fundamental frequency. > This would be smoothed out > to sine wave or something inferior by the CD player. A Nak is capable of > recording and playback of a 20kHz signal, according to stated > specifications. The resolution (accurancy of reproducing an sound wave)... This is not the definition of 'resolution'. Resolution is the smallest value that can be discerned. This is quite general and applies not only to sound waves. For example, a ruler marked with 1/8" gradation can resolve to 1/16". In commercial usage, 'resolution' is incorrectly used to refer to the largest number of values that can be discerned, rather than the smallest value -- a similar concept, resulting in 'the larger, the better' that advertisers love so much; and after all, the suckers (that's the rest of us) don't know the difference... So, resolution of digitization could be specified as 10 bits, rather than 1/1024. By now, this usage is very common. > ... of a Nak is thus at least as great as that of a CD player, and is > probably greater. Yep. CD resolution is 16 bits. LP or cassette resolution is next to infinite. > It is erroneous to think that analogue devices smooth > out sound to a more enjoyable reproduction, it simply can not be the > case (it can not be doing any more smoothing than what a CD player's > oversampling circuit does). > I would presume that there existed now dead science practiced by magnet > gurus of Maxell, TDK, etc that took into account magnetic particle size, > density, energy absorption, and tape speed to determine ultimate > resolution of the recording media. Anyone here of that generation? > > The limiting factors of analogue devices are THD, wow and flutter, and > dynamic range. Digital does handily take care of these factors. Not due to digitization, but rather, by virtue of the ease with which these can be dealt with in digital circuit implementation. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 20 23:17:45 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:17:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4447FA79.9070201@rcn.com> 'Fraid not. If the tape is Dolby encoded, you need Dolby decoding for PB, regardless of ho quiet the deck is. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Ahh.. OK, I see what you mean about not needing dolby for playback now, if > the playback decks amps are quiet enough.. actually, any would be quiet > enough, because they come in after the Dolby processing, right? > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:36 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > > Hi Doane, > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> That's good to hear.. will they sound as good on another deck, without >> dolby, as a Doly C tape sounds played back on thier deck with Dolby? Are > the >> benefits of your process portable like that, or will it sound like a >> cassette playing with out Dolby, having less dynamic range, more noise, >> etc.? > > Here's what I'm trying to do with this deck, briefly. > > WARNING! OVERSIMPLIFIED TECH CONTENT: That the inherent noise of analog > magnetic tape is caused by unmagnetizable oxide particles (either > because of the random orientation or because of the minimum magnetic > flux needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual > particle.) The tape's design affects the minimum magnetic flux needed to > "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual particle. How the tape > is manufactured affects the randomness of each particle's orientation. > > What I'm developing is a method during record to magnetize more of the > particles that aren't magnetized ordinarily, reducing noise in the > process below what is usujally achieved without some form of proceessing > the signal for noise reduction. I've had this working with high speed > reel-to-reels for sme time but adapting to cassettes is more difficult, > but still achievable. > > So the ultimate quietness of a tape recorded on my deck played on > another deck will depend on how quiet the other deck's playback amps > are. I think the 600 and other Naks have very quiet playback amps and > thus will be able to play the tapes made on my deck without the need of > Dolby B. Because no compression is used by this deck for its approach to > noise reduction you'll not hear the same thing as you do with a Dolby > endcoded tape played unencoded. See? > > The peak dynamic range of analog tape is the range from the minimum > fluxivity needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual > particle to point where no mor eparticles can be magnetized, causing > clipping. This presumes no noise is added by the audio electronics and > no processing by noise reduction schema like Dolby or dbx. > > >> And my other concern, that I already mentioned, was your deck's ability to >> play back Dolby recorded cassettes as well as a Dolby equiped deck can, or >> did you decide that your are going to include some form of Dolby > processing >> after all, that one can switch out of the circuit when using your system? > > This is an unresolved issue. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Apr 21 00:00:26 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:00:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World article available for download Message-ID: <4448047A.5070904@xs4all.nl> This just came in, a nice scan done by our member Ian of the HiFi World article on B&W.. http://www.naks.com/request/IAN/Hi-Fi_World_February_2006_Reel_Living.pdf Enjoy! Wouter From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 20 23:46:44 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:46:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44480144.2010209@rcn.com> Doane Hoag wrote: > Keith: > > That's a great link to the Uni of Iowa, I had no idea they had those sound > instrument recordings. It would be very revealing to be able to compare the > two types of sampling with the same musical piece. I hope they can get that > finished soon. > > As to your moire question, my understanding is that aliasing is not the same > as moire > which is an optical illusion causing perceived pattern movement. > Alisaing is simply the mixing of pixels near the border of diagonal or > curving lines to lessen the jagged look in graphics. Not really. Aliasing results when a sampling frequency is lower than twice the highest frequency in the sampled signal (Nyquist frequency). Because video signals are generated by sampling the image at the horizontal sweep frequency, finer details in the image (that may be represented by higher base band video frequencies) may show a moire pattern. AFAIK, this has nothing to do with audio CD recording. -- Ron > I really don't know how > this would relate to sound wave forms... if they use the term aliased (I > don't know), they are probably using it in a subjective way to describe how > the digiatal wave form is smoothed while it is actually a totally different > process then graphics use. I'm sure someone here will know more about this. > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Keith Jackson > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > > > Here is a high quality set of instrument recordings in 16/44.1 > format. They will soon be releasing a set of 24/96 samples as well > that would be useful in seeing whether you can hear the difference. > > http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html > > According to this article on digital sampling, 44.1 is enough to > capture the full resolution of audible sound. it is pretty dense and > has some heavy math to back up this assertion. > > http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf > > However, there is utility for higher sampling in the recording > studio, as this article explains (see section "Why record ultrasonics"): > > http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/SoapBox/soap2_Apogee.htm > > > I am not into math enough to understand something though: everyone > has seen aliasing (moire) in magazine print and possibly one's own > digital images. Can a two dimensional moire pattern be generated by a > CD player reconstructing a violin's sound, resulting in my perceived > "buzzing"?? From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 20 23:49:20 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:49:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444801E0.2050501@rcn.com> Polishing compound for auto finishes is far too coarse. I've been using for years 'acrylic scratch remover' for the purpose. I know that Brasso will work, but it requires a lot more elbow grease. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Alex: > I don't presently have any scratched CDs but will keep this in mind next > time one goes bad. If Brasso works, I would think that rubbing compound from > an auto store would be even more effective, without those fumes you > mentioned. > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > > > Just received this lovely article! > >> Yikes, Brasso and CDs? > Robert Hart from Audio Tweakers sent me an interesting article about > retrieving > both music and data from CDs scratched beyond usability. I took one of my > kid's > discs that would no longer play and tried it. Doggone if it didn’t work! > > Basically, you use Brasso, which is an abrasive metal polish, to remove a > slight > layer of the scratched plastic on the disc to get it to work again. I would > not > recommend this on anything you really care about, but if you have a disc > that’s > scratched beyond usability, what have you got to lose? > > Here’s what you do: > First gather the following materials: > >> Paper towel (softer is better) > >> Polishing cloth (eyeglasses cloth will do fine) > >> CD scratched beyond playability (Easy to find) > >> Can of Brasso Metal Polish > >> Car wax or Rainex water repellant windshield wax > > Add Brasso and start polishing! > >> Take some of the Brasso and pour it onto the CD. Please be careful with the > Brasso, and only perform this in a well-ventilated area. I wasted many an > hour > in the Army using this stuff to polish my belt buckle and I can tell you the > fumes are nasty. > >> Use the paper towel pieces to polish the CD. Polishing is ideal in straight > strokes from the center of the disk to the outside so you polish > perpendicular > to the tracks on the disc. Take your time with this. Add Brasso when it > dries or > gets pushed off the CD. Continue this process for about 15 minutes. > >> You should feel the abrasiveness of the Brasso on the CD as you are doing > this. If not, then use a different paper towel. The Brasso is removing part > of > the plastic from the disc - not adding to it. You’re actually scraping away > part > of the CD which makes the existing scratches smaller. > >> After 15 minutes or so, rinse the CD off under water and check the CD. The > Brasso will have left small scratches on the disc as it wore down the CD. > Keep > going until the deep scratches are gone, and all that remains are the marks > from > the Brasso (they will diminish as you continue and get an even surface > again). > >> When done, rinse the disc, and wipe it with the soft eyeglass cloth. > >> To finish the job, you can polish it with car wax, or my favorite, Rainex > which is a windshield polish found at most auto stores. > > Let me know how it works for you! > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Keith Jackson >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital >> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:48:23 -0600 >> >> Here is a high quality set of instrument recordings in 16/44.1 format. >> They will soon be releasing a set of 24/96 samples as well that would be >> useful in seeing whether you can hear the difference. >> >> http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html >> >> According to this article on digital sampling, 44.1 is enough to capture >> the full resolution of audible sound. it is pretty dense and has some >> heavy math to back up this assertion. >> >> http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf >> >> However, there is utility for higher sampling in the recording studio, as >> this article explains (see section "Why record ultrasonics"): >> >> http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/SoapBox/soap2_Apogee.htm >> >> >> I am not into math enough to understand something though: everyone has >> seen aliasing (moire) in magazine print and possibly one's own digital >> images. Can a two dimensional moire pattern be generated by a CD player >> reconstructing a violin's sound, resulting in my perceived "buzzing"?? From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 20 23:53:40 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:53:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4447DBAF.80708@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20060420011949.6716.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4447DBAF.80708@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <444802E4.8060503@rcn.com> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Bala, > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hi Kerm and Ed, >> >> There are a few other makers of Dolby chips. Sony and Hitachi are >> two of them. Putting in a comprehensive Dolby B, C and S solution is >> not technically difficult. I really like the ext feature on the ZXL >> decks to allow external processors. Dolby seems to be a highly >> secretive company. And its very smart and tight on technicalities. You >> don't see any of their ex-engineers going into the NR business or >> anyone trying for their share of the turf. >> >> So you guys have it summed up. You need Dolby but Ray isn't going to >> give it to you..hehe! But please no discrete circuits. Kermit, I think >> you know the complications. > > Awwww ... I wanted to do an all-tube Dolby decoder using Western > Electric 262A and 272A triodes, 12K7 remote cutoff pentodes and > quadruple 5Y3 rectifiers 5Y3's? Won't the 6AL5 be better? Oh, you're joking... Ha, ha, ha. -- Ron > with a copper-oxide junction diode Wheatstone > bridge styled detector circuit and spray-can-sized oil-filled > capacitors. That would make the processor very compact, about the size > of a small refrigerator. But I'd put a handle atop it and a forklift > pallet beneath it. That would make it able to be advertized as portable > (forklift an optional extra). > > Alas, this is a throny problem. To Dollby or not to Dolby, it may be out > of the question. > > Today, I exercised my futility. You never exercised your futility? You > should! Who wants a flabby futility? > > Anyway, I applied for a license to use Dolby B, C and S. I'm sure > they'll get a good laugh then send me an offical Dolby "Go Away, Kid, > You Bother Me" letter written by W. C. Fields. > > We'll see how it goes. > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 01:56:43 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4447F94D.8070507@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060420235643.7970.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmmm...makes nice full page ads in magazines! I remember Harman Kardon had a horizontal loading deck that put the tape transport in the middle of the deck. But it didn't pull the tape out. Tape Echo? Kermit, you are really maxing this one out, aren't you..hehe Bala 79Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: I'm laughing out loud! We could advertise it as "endless tapes that are truly endless with auto-random tape edit feature." If it's a three head deck then it can do double duty as a tape echo with the endless cassettes. Antoine Deschênes wrote: > We might lose a bit of sound from instant-start tapes tho. > > Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > >> Hey, there's a idea. Tape extractors. Neat. >> >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> >>> Well the deck could pull out the tape from the cassette, like VHS >>> decks are doing. (You can do anything, but it's a bit of exaggeration >>> to get there...) >>> >>> Alex Cozac a écrit : >>> >>>> Hi Tom! >>>> >>>> WHERE can be fitted a "Cross field" head....Think well!!! How can >>>> get "IN" in the cassette shell!!!! >>>> >>>> NO...NO...Tom...was possible by Tandberg & Akai/Roberts...R to R >>>> decks...can't do it practically in a cassette deck. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 21 02:12:19 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4447DBAF.80708@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060421001219.44050.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, Groovy! Well then the cassette machine (its graduated from deck) can hold out its own next to a J-37 in size! Those caps, are they WWII German caps - sure to please some dyed-in wool tube people! I think they need some serious persuation. Or they are determined to stick to the policy which seems to limit Dolby support as a legacy system. One way to pique their interest may be to say you are keen in making cassette decks to play Dolby Digital 10.1 stereo. Then when the tea is served, pull out the archives about Dolby B... 'Actually the 10.1 deck is due in 18 months - as an interim, we have this four track, two channel model which uses a 2.0 stereo system. I believe you call it Dolby B' Bala 79Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kerm and Ed, > > There are a few other makers of Dolby chips. Sony and Hitachi are > two of them. Putting in a comprehensive Dolby B, C and S solution is not > technically difficult. I really like the ext feature on the ZXL decks to > allow external processors. Dolby seems to be a highly secretive company. > And its very smart and tight on technicalities. You don't see any of > their ex-engineers going into the NR business or anyone trying for their > share of the turf. > > So you guys have it summed up. You need Dolby but Ray isn't going to > give it to you..hehe! But please no discrete circuits. Kermit, I think > you know the complications. Awwww ... I wanted to do an all-tube Dolby decoder using Western Electric 262A and 272A triodes, 12K7 remote cutoff pentodes and quadruple 5Y3 rectifiers with a copper-oxide junction diode Wheatstone bridge styled detector circuit and spray-can-sized oil-filled capacitors. That would make the processor very compact, about the size of a small refrigerator. But I'd put a handle atop it and a forklift pallet beneath it. That would make it able to be advertized as portable (forklift an optional extra). Alas, this is a throny problem. To Dollby or not to Dolby, it may be out of the question. Today, I exercised my futility. You never exercised your futility? You should! Who wants a flabby futility? Anyway, I applied for a license to use Dolby B, C and S. I'm sure they'll get a good laugh then send me an offical Dolby "Go Away, Kid, You Bother Me" letter written by W. C. Fields. We'll see how it goes. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 21 01:02:55 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:02:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World article available for download In-Reply-To: <4448047A.5070904@xs4all.nl> References: <4448047A.5070904@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4448131F.9030906@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Wouter, Wouter Heijke wrote: > This just came in, a nice scan done by our member Ian of the HiFi World > article on B&W.. > > http://www.naks.com/request/IAN/Hi-Fi_World_February_2006_Reel_Living.pdf > > Enjoy! I did! Wonderful article! Good to see my favorite deck, the 600, featured as the illustration. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 21 02:03:08 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:03:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX1 to pick up in Florida Message-ID: <4448213C.1000505@woods-and-waters.com> > Found this message in the registration area yesterday, maybe someone is > interested... > > Wouter > > > Am getting rid of the unit since cassettes are a thing of the past. Rather > than throw it in the trash I figured someone may get some use out of it. I > am in the Port St. Lucie area of Florida. If you want it e-mail me. You > can pick it up or have a messenger service pick it up package it and have > it sent to you. I am not going to go to the bother and expense of > packaging it and paying to have it sent to someone. Wow. Interesting. I'm not feeling the love from this guy! I wonder if it's occurred to him that if he charges someone for the shipping then it won't cost him anything. Wow. "Cassettes are a thing of the past"? Have you seen how many spoken word cassettes are released each month? I even see the occasional music cassette released. Takes all kinds, the saying goes. I feel sorry for the cassette deck. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 21 02:11:06 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:11:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <20060420235643.7970.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060420235643.7970.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4448231A.4050609@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hmmm...makes nice full page ads in magazines! I remember Harman Kardon > had a horizontal loading deck that put the tape transport in the middle > of the deck. But it didn't pull the tape out. > > Tape Echo? Kermit, you are really maxing this one out, aren't you..hehe > Sorry, man, been a crazy day! Yes, you know the idea of a cassette deck that extracts the tape from the shell like a VCR truly hits my funny bone! Anyway, after the way this day's been going I need a good release of tension through humor. Dealing with attorneys isn't good for one's mood. A couple of people had the bad luck to pull some attitude on me just moments after I left a meeting with my attorneys to file a copyright infringement suit against a party that should be named but won't be (but who is no one on this list). Uncharacteristically, I 'Funk & Wagnalled' all over them", to quote that 1960s TV icon "Laugh In." Ah well, sometimes it's good to "Funk & Wagnall all over somebody", but it's better to laugh ones' self silly over a crazy invention. You know, I ought to make a cassette deck with a tape extractor. No particular reason, just to do it because it could be done. What's that contest the Japanese have for the most humorous inventions? This would be perfect for that contest! > Bala > 79Labs > > */"Kermit V. Gray" /* wrote: > > I'm laughing out loud! We could advertise it as "endless tapes that are > truly endless with auto-random tape edit feature." If it's a three head > deck then it can do double duty as a tape echo with the endless > cassettes. > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > We might lose a bit of sound from instant-start tapes tho. > > > > Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > > > >> Hey, there's a idea. Tape extractors. Neat. > >> > >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> > >>> Well the deck could pull out the tape from the cassette, like VHS > >>> decks are doing. (You can do anything, but it's a bit of > exaggeration > >>> to get there...) > >>> > >>> Alex Cozac a écrit : > >>> > >>>> Hi Tom! > >>>> > >>>> WHERE can be fitted a "Cross field" head....Think well!!! How can > >>>> get "IN" in the cassette shell!!!! > >>>> > >>>> NO...NO...Tom...was possible by Tandberg & Akai/Roberts...R to R > >>>> decks...can't do it practically in a cassette deck. > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 21 02:10:13 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:10:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <4447F9FE.4060801@rcn.com> Message-ID: good explination, Ron, thanks. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:16 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Keith Jackson wrote: > Here is a link with a graph showing the precision of CD audio on a 10 > kHz sine wave. It is not very impressive. The graph depicts the output of the disc, that is of neither importance not relevance. What the graph shows is filtered before appearing at the player output. That point can contain pure sine wave, if done right. > Certainly oversampling smooths > things out and the wave a CD player spits out is a lot smoother. But, > how much? I dunno. At 10KHz, 'the wave a CD player spits out' should be and often is completely smooth. Oversampling helps as you get closer to the Nyquist frequency -- 22,050Hz, in this case. > http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question487.htm > > Even on lower notes, Violins have a lot of harmonics above 10 kHz. > Perhaps this low resolution is responsible for my perceived "buzz"? I doubt it. Such buzz sometimes appears on analog recordings. > Certainly analogue devices like tape smooth out the wave, at their > resolving limit. But what is their resolving limit? Infinite (actually, maybe not infinite, but very, very, very high). Once you understand this, you also understand the value -- or lack thereof -- of an ad extolling a cable or amp as 'high resolution'. The advertiser is pushing the meaningless claim in the hope that you and I (and a million other readers) have no clue what resolution is, except that the higher the better. Fact is, *any* analog device, by definition, has a close to infinite resolution. > Think about this: CD sampling rate is 44.1 kHz, just over the minimum > required to produce a saw tooth 20kHz wave. Not true. 'Just over the minimum required to produce a sine wave' is correct. As you know, a saw tooth wave contains much higher harmonics than it's fundamental frequency. > This would be smoothed out > to sine wave or something inferior by the CD player. A Nak is capable of > recording and playback of a 20kHz signal, according to stated > specifications. The resolution (accurancy of reproducing an sound wave)... This is not the definition of 'resolution'. Resolution is the smallest value that can be discerned. This is quite general and applies not only to sound waves. For example, a ruler marked with 1/8" gradation can resolve to 1/16". In commercial usage, 'resolution' is incorrectly used to refer to the largest number of values that can be discerned, rather than the smallest value -- a similar concept, resulting in 'the larger, the better' that advertisers love so much; and after all, the suckers (that's the rest of us) don't know the difference... So, resolution of digitization could be specified as 10 bits, rather than 1/1024. By now, this usage is very common. > ... of a Nak is thus at least as great as that of a CD player, and is > probably greater. Yep. CD resolution is 16 bits. LP or cassette resolution is next to infinite. > It is erroneous to think that analogue devices smooth > out sound to a more enjoyable reproduction, it simply can not be the > case (it can not be doing any more smoothing than what a CD player's > oversampling circuit does). > I would presume that there existed now dead science practiced by magnet > gurus of Maxell, TDK, etc that took into account magnetic particle size, > density, energy absorption, and tape speed to determine ultimate > resolution of the recording media. Anyone here of that generation? > > The limiting factors of analogue devices are THD, wow and flutter, and > dynamic range. Digital does handily take care of these factors. Not due to digitization, but rather, by virtue of the ease with which these can be dealt with in digital circuit implementation. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 21 02:23:23 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:23:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4447FA79.9070201@rcn.com> Message-ID: You mis understood me, Ron, I know that Dolby encoded needs Dolby decodeing. What I was referring to was Axlex's special recorded tapes that don't use Dolby at all, and whether they would play back on decks with dolby off and sound as quiet as they do on his planned on deck. The question I had asked Alex was this: "..will they sound as good on another deck, without dolby, as a Doly C tape sounds played back on thier deck with Dolby? Are the benefits of your process portable like that, or will it sound like a cassette playing with out Dolby, having less dynamic range, more noise, etc.?" Alex said they would if the play back decks amps are quiet enough. Sorry you didn't understand that. Doane -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:18 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? 'Fraid not. If the tape is Dolby encoded, you need Dolby decoding for PB, regardless of ho quiet the deck is. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Ahh.. OK, I see what you mean about not needing dolby for playback now, if > the playback decks amps are quiet enough.. actually, any would be quiet > enough, because they come in after the Dolby processing, right? > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:36 PM > To: rob at rhoag.com > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > > Hi Doane, > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> That's good to hear.. will they sound as good on another deck, without >> dolby, as a Doly C tape sounds played back on thier deck with Dolby? Are > the >> benefits of your process portable like that, or will it sound like a >> cassette playing with out Dolby, having less dynamic range, more noise, >> etc.? > > Here's what I'm trying to do with this deck, briefly. > > WARNING! OVERSIMPLIFIED TECH CONTENT: That the inherent noise of analog > magnetic tape is caused by unmagnetizable oxide particles (either > because of the random orientation or because of the minimum magnetic > flux needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual > particle.) The tape's design affects the minimum magnetic flux needed to > "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual particle. How the tape > is manufactured affects the randomness of each particle's orientation. > > What I'm developing is a method during record to magnetize more of the > particles that aren't magnetized ordinarily, reducing noise in the > process below what is usujally achieved without some form of proceessing > the signal for noise reduction. I've had this working with high speed > reel-to-reels for sme time but adapting to cassettes is more difficult, > but still achievable. > > So the ultimate quietness of a tape recorded on my deck played on > another deck will depend on how quiet the other deck's playback amps > are. I think the 600 and other Naks have very quiet playback amps and > thus will be able to play the tapes made on my deck without the need of > Dolby B. Because no compression is used by this deck for its approach to > noise reduction you'll not hear the same thing as you do with a Dolby > endcoded tape played unencoded. See? > > The peak dynamic range of analog tape is the range from the minimum > fluxivity needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual > particle to point where no mor eparticles can be magnetized, causing > clipping. This presumes no noise is added by the audio electronics and > no processing by noise reduction schema like Dolby or dbx. > > >> And my other concern, that I already mentioned, was your deck's ability to >> play back Dolby recorded cassettes as well as a Dolby equiped deck can, or >> did you decide that your are going to include some form of Dolby > processing >> after all, that one can switch out of the circuit when using your system? > > This is an unresolved issue. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 21 02:36:58 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:36:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <44480144.2010209@rcn.com> Message-ID: Hi, Ron: The first part of my answer you quoted was referring to graphics, not sound or video. I went on to say, "I really don't know how this would relate to sound wave forms... if they use the term aliased (I don't know), they are probably using it in a subjective way to describe how the digiatal wave form is smoothed while it is actually a totally different process then graphics use. I'm sure someone here will know more about this." If you are referring to my second part of the post (that I just quoted above about digital audio and the terms), then, thanks for explaining it in more detail, but does that apply to digital audio too? What Keith was asking about was digital sound, not video, and I didn't think that the term moire was used with digital sound, is it? I really don't know. Doane ------------- -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:47 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Doane Hoag wrote: > Keith: > > That's a great link to the Uni of Iowa, I had no idea they had those sound > instrument recordings. It would be very revealing to be able to compare the > two types of sampling with the same musical piece. I hope they can get that > finished soon. > > As to your moire question, my understanding is that aliasing is not the same > as moire > which is an optical illusion causing perceived pattern movement. > Alisaing is simply the mixing of pixels near the border of diagonal or > curving lines to lessen the jagged look in graphics. Not really. Aliasing results when a sampling frequency is lower than twice the highest frequency in the sampled signal (Nyquist frequency). Because video signals are generated by sampling the image at the horizontal sweep frequency, finer details in the image (that may be represented by higher base band video frequencies) may show a moire pattern. AFAIK, this has nothing to do with audio CD recording. -- Ron > I really don't know how > this would relate to sound wave forms... if they use the term aliased (I > don't know), they are probably using it in a subjective way to describe how > the digiatal wave form is smoothed while it is actually a totally different > process then graphics use. I'm sure someone here will know more about this. > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Keith Jackson > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > > > Here is a high quality set of instrument recordings in 16/44.1 > format. They will soon be releasing a set of 24/96 samples as well > that would be useful in seeing whether you can hear the difference. > > http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html > > According to this article on digital sampling, 44.1 is enough to > capture the full resolution of audible sound. it is pretty dense and > has some heavy math to back up this assertion. > > http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf > > However, there is utility for higher sampling in the recording > studio, as this article explains (see section "Why record ultrasonics"): > > http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/SoapBox/soap2_Apogee.htm > > > I am not into math enough to understand something though: everyone > has seen aliasing (moire) in magazine print and possibly one's own > digital images. Can a two dimensional moire pattern be generated by a > CD player reconstructing a violin's sound, resulting in my perceived > "buzzing"?? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 21 02:40:18 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:40:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <444801E0.2050501@rcn.com> Message-ID: OK, good to know. -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:49 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Polishing compound for auto finishes is far too coarse. I've been using for years 'acrylic scratch remover' for the purpose. I know that Brasso will work, but it requires a lot more elbow grease. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Alex: > I don't presently have any scratched CDs but will keep this in mind next > time one goes bad. If Brasso works, I would think that rubbing compound from > an auto store would be even more effective, without those fumes you > mentioned. > > Doane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > > > Just received this lovely article! > >> Yikes, Brasso and CDs? > Robert Hart from Audio Tweakers sent me an interesting article about > retrieving > both music and data from CDs scratched beyond usability. I took one of my > kid's > discs that would no longer play and tried it. Doggone if it didn’t work! > > Basically, you use Brasso, which is an abrasive metal polish, to remove a > slight > layer of the scratched plastic on the disc to get it to work again. I would > not > recommend this on anything you really care about, but if you have a disc > that’s > scratched beyond usability, what have you got to lose? > > Here’s what you do: > First gather the following materials: > >> Paper towel (softer is better) > >> Polishing cloth (eyeglasses cloth will do fine) > >> CD scratched beyond playability (Easy to find) > >> Can of Brasso Metal Polish > >> Car wax or Rainex water repellant windshield wax > > Add Brasso and start polishing! > >> Take some of the Brasso and pour it onto the CD. Please be careful with the > Brasso, and only perform this in a well-ventilated area. I wasted many an > hour > in the Army using this stuff to polish my belt buckle and I can tell you the > fumes are nasty. > >> Use the paper towel pieces to polish the CD. Polishing is ideal in straight > strokes from the center of the disk to the outside so you polish > perpendicular > to the tracks on the disc. Take your time with this. Add Brasso when it > dries or > gets pushed off the CD. Continue this process for about 15 minutes. > >> You should feel the abrasiveness of the Brasso on the CD as you are doing > this. If not, then use a different paper towel. The Brasso is removing part > of > the plastic from the disc - not adding to it. You’re actually scraping away > part > of the CD which makes the existing scratches smaller. > >> After 15 minutes or so, rinse the CD off under water and check the CD. The > Brasso will have left small scratches on the disc as it wore down the CD. > Keep > going until the deep scratches are gone, and all that remains are the marks > from > the Brasso (they will diminish as you continue and get an even surface > again). > >> When done, rinse the disc, and wipe it with the soft eyeglass cloth. > >> To finish the job, you can polish it with car wax, or my favorite, Rainex > which is a windshield polish found at most auto stores. > > Let me know how it works for you! > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Keith Jackson >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital >> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:48:23 -0600 >> >> Here is a high quality set of instrument recordings in 16/44.1 format. >> They will soon be releasing a set of 24/96 samples as well that would be >> useful in seeing whether you can hear the difference. >> >> http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html >> >> According to this article on digital sampling, 44.1 is enough to capture >> the full resolution of audible sound. it is pretty dense and has some >> heavy math to back up this assertion. >> >> http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf >> >> However, there is utility for higher sampling in the recording studio, as >> this article explains (see section "Why record ultrasonics"): >> >> http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/SoapBox/soap2_Apogee.htm >> >> >> I am not into math enough to understand something though: everyone has >> seen aliasing (moire) in magazine print and possibly one's own digital >> images. Can a two dimensional moire pattern be generated by a CD player >> reconstructing a violin's sound, resulting in my perceived "buzzing"?? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From CKDawson at cableone.net Fri Apr 21 02:41:45 2006 From: CKDawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:41:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 600 for parts if you want it Message-ID: <003401c664dc$5e097a60$6401a8c0@dell> Dear Nakkers, I'm sad to say the my 600 cannot be revived for a price that I can afford, so I'm offering it to anyone willing to pay the cost of shipping plus $10 from ESLabs in Connecticut to your location. Here's Jeff's diagnosis of it's ills - We carefully examined and tested your Nakamichi 600 cassette deck. Someone glues a substitute head in place of the Nakamichi head and sanded the surface of the capstan shaft. The capstan bearings are worn causing tape travel problems. It also suffers from worn and aged rubber belts and rollers as well as dried-up lubrication. This machine needs a complete comprehensive overhaul so that it can be restored into a perfect operating reliable condition. The drive motor should be disassembled and refurbished because it has become worn and has commutator oxidation. The record/play head, erase head, capstan flywheel assembly, capstan bearings, lamps, drive belt, counter/motion sense belt, supply and take-up reel hub tires, pressure roller are aged, worn or defective and would be replaced along with other worn, defective and known to fail parts. As you can see the components that are effected are many, and it would be in my best interests to replace it with a newer model for the costs involved to refurbish it. Cosmetically, It's quite nice with meters, lights and all lettering intact. Also all of the little caps for level adjustment are present. If you have a dowdy 600, here's a very nice shell to help you dress it up a bit. AND IF YOU ACT NOW, I'LL SEND YOU THE SMOKED DUST COVER AT MY OWN EXPENSE! (fine print) Unfortunately, I can't make that offer to my friends overseas. I can only afford to ship to the US and Canada. The cover is also in excellent condition with no cracks or anything like that. I asked Jeff if he could hold on to it for a week so I could let you all know about it in case there were any takers, so if you're interested please contact both Jeff and myself by Friday, April 28 or he is free to dispose of it as he sees fit. Thanks, Keith Dawson PS, If you think the packing is a bit strange, it isn't Jeff fault. It's my first shot at shipping anything like this :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 21 02:47:06 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:47:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Message-ID: <44482B8A.4040808@sbcglobal.net> Kermit says: "Never forget, though, the limiting factors of digital devices are jitter, aliasing, horrific distortion and sharp clipping caused by overmodulation (in stark contrast to analog's gentle increase of distortion with overmodulation), decreasing low-level resolution as bit depth decreases, bit depth limitations, word length limitations, interpolation errors, error correction effectiveness, transient intermodulation distortion caused by the output filtration, transient ringing caused by the output filtration, phase shift errors induced by both the coding and the caused by the output filtration, quantization noise, sampling rate conversion errors, bit truncation errors, generational errors caused by cumulative errors of the least significant bit, a-to-d convertor mistracking, d-to-a convertor mistracking, copy protection schema sonic artifacts, and did I miss something? I know I did but I cannot think of it." Ken says; Why yes, you forgot "Perfect Sound Forever" To quote from a cd I own from Red Sky Records: " This was recorded analog. The digital equipment you are playing this on will not reveal flaws in the orginal recording. It will, however, cause it to suffer a serious lack of balls found in the original analog domain." :-) From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 21 07:19:46 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:19:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <20060421001219.44050.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060421001219.44050.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44486B72.2030504@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > Groovy! Well then the cassette machine (its graduated from > deck) can hold out its own next to a J-37 in size! Those caps, are they > WWII German caps - sure to please some dyed-in wool tube people! Oh I should have thought of that! A definite must-have. > I think they need some serious persuation. Or they are determined to > stick to the policy which seems to limit Dolby support as a legacy > system. One way to pique their interest may be to say you are keen in > making cassette decks to play Dolby Digital 10.1 stereo. Then when the > tea is served, pull out the archives about Dolby B... 'Actually the 10.1 > deck is due in 18 months - as an interim, we have this four track, two > channel model which uses a 2.0 stereo system. I believe you call it Dolby B' Well, unless Dolby changes their position they've decided that analog products are dead and they themselves are the killer. Apparently Tascam, Marantz and Pioneer can continue to make Dolby cassette decks, but not a newcomer. I wonder if we're supposed to put the little trademark symbol after the Dolby name in emails. Where's the trademark symbol key? It's okay. I'd prefer to use a licensed Dolby product, but in the absence of that I'll find alternatives. Outboard decoders, a Dolby-compatible-enough play-only decoder. Salvaged decoders. All great ideas and all great alternatives. I've been trying to find info from JVC regarding the SuperANRS but haven't been able to so far. Any ideas on this? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From daveharris at clear.net.nz Fri Apr 21 11:50:29 2006 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:50:29 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital References: <208B6FDD-D178-4E3E-B0D3-45C39FAFA342@fast-mail.org> <4447DEE1.6040306@woods-and-waters.com> <4447EEED.7040709@yahoo.ca> <4447F3CF.8060909@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <01be01c66529$20573b10$1a6165da@riccarton.school.nz> I thought I posted this message before but I haven't seen it come through, so I apologise if you've seen it before I must admit that many of my older CDR's ended up as coasters as they would not read in any cd drive (especially multisession discs and those burnt under Win98). these are data cd's I'm talking about we go throught a lot at work (3m/Imation brand usually) and the thing that is very obvious is tat the plastic on CDR's is a lot softer than prerecorded CD's. CDR's scuff and scratch very quickly in comparison. On a positive note if you don't have a fancy sound card or a stuck with a laptop with a crappy sound card and want to tape mp3's. You can get a reasonable playback by copying the MP3's to a CD or DVD disc and playing them in your DVD player (which is of course connected to your stereo and so to your nakamichi(s) The DVD player should be better than many sound cards for MP3 decoding. Want some interesting MP3's to tape? I have been downloading podcasts from these places many of which will end up on tape. www.parisdjs.com rare funk and psychedelic music www.darkculture.com Goth music - lots of rock, new wave with a darker flavour (really very good stuff) www.radiolovers.com old time radio shows from the golden age of radio (all free by the way) Cheers Dave PS Kermit - is it a sensible option to use an existing cassette deck ie a BX 300 or similar and keep it's mechanicals and insert your electronics? Dave From N4229K at aol.com Fri Apr 21 14:05:09 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:05:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 600 for parts if you want it Message-ID: <368.306bd0b.317a2475@aol.com> Hi I recently purchased a 600 that had the dust cover destroyed so I would really entertain your offer. I can get Jeff the money using PayPal or any other form of payment. I also picked up a second 600 and it needs some cosmetically impaired parts replaced. We could save 2 deck with your one. I'll act ASAP Dean Sanborn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 21 18:12:21 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:12:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <4447D951.8080504@woods-and-waters.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060421111221.00827100@earthlink.net> The bias head would have to sit where the pressure pad is, so it wold have to be thin film. I was thinking, since the impedance is constant (f is constant) some sort of extended pole might work. The coils would sit at right angles. Imagine a crook in your finger. The nail is the head, the palm is where the coils are. Crossfield does a much better job of magnetizing the tape particles. The other option is to pull the tape out of the cassette as a helical scan deck might do. just brainstorming! tom brucker At 01:56 PM 4/20/06 -0500, you wrote: >Alex is right! > >Perhaps an itty bitty bias head could fit behind the tape where one of >the capstan holes are but the record head has to go there too. No, that >doesn't work -- the bias head would be too far away. > >It's official -- Alex is right! > >Alex Cozac wrote: >> Hi Tom! >> >> WHERE can be fitted a "Cross field" head....Think well!!! How can get >> "IN" in the cassette shell!!!! >> >> NO...NO...Tom...was possible by Tandberg & Akai/Roberts...R to R >> decks...can't do it practically in a cassette deck. >> >>> From: Hi Tech >>> >>> Kermit, >>> How about a crossfield head for cassette? > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Apr 21 17:40:29 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:40:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: Hi Doane & Ron! Did you refer to me?.If uh-huh; YES...I 99% record with NR (All Kinds)...OFF...& when I listen my recorded cassette, trough my equipment...NO noise at all...could be that ALSO...my ARC SP-9/ll preamp is so quiet...that really help in this matter...Don't recall but is true!!! Cheers, to both of you! ALEX! >From: "Doane Hoag" >Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:23:23 -0700 > > >You mis understood me, Ron, I know that Dolby encoded needs Dolby >decodeing. >What I was referring to was Axlex's special recorded tapes that don't use >Dolby at all, and whether they would play back on decks with dolby off and >sound as quiet as they do on his planned on deck. The question I had asked >Alex was this: "..will they sound as good on another deck, without dolby, >as >a Doly C tape sounds played back on thier deck with Dolby? Are the benefits >of your process portable like that, or will it sound like a cassette >playing >with out Dolby, having less dynamic range, more noise, etc.?" > >Alex said they would if the play back decks amps are quiet enough. > >Sorry you didn't understand that. > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:18 PM >To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > > >'Fraid not. If the tape is Dolby encoded, you need >Dolby decoding for PB, regardless of ho quiet the >deck is. > >-- Ron > > >Doane Hoag wrote: > > Ahh.. OK, I see what you mean about not needing dolby for playback now, >if > > the playback decks amps are quiet enough.. actually, any would be quiet > > enough, because they come in after the Dolby processing, right? > > > > Doane > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:36 PM > > To: rob at rhoag.com > > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? > > > > > > Hi Doane, > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > >> That's good to hear.. will they sound as good on another deck, without > >> dolby, as a Doly C tape sounds played back on thier deck with Dolby? >Are > > the > >> benefits of your process portable like that, or will it sound like a > >> cassette playing with out Dolby, having less dynamic range, more noise, > >> etc.? > > > > Here's what I'm trying to do with this deck, briefly. > > > > WARNING! OVERSIMPLIFIED TECH CONTENT: That the inherent noise of analog > > magnetic tape is caused by unmagnetizable oxide particles (either > > because of the random orientation or because of the minimum magnetic > > flux needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual > > particle.) The tape's design affects the minimum magnetic flux needed to > > "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual particle. How the tape > > is manufactured affects the randomness of each particle's orientation. > > > > What I'm developing is a method during record to magnetize more of the > > particles that aren't magnetized ordinarily, reducing noise in the > > process below what is usujally achieved without some form of proceessing > > the signal for noise reduction. I've had this working with high speed > > reel-to-reels for sme time but adapting to cassettes is more difficult, > > but still achievable. > > > > So the ultimate quietness of a tape recorded on my deck played on > > another deck will depend on how quiet the other deck's playback amps > > are. I think the 600 and other Naks have very quiet playback amps and > > thus will be able to play the tapes made on my deck without the need of > > Dolby B. Because no compression is used by this deck for its approach to > > noise reduction you'll not hear the same thing as you do with a Dolby > > endcoded tape played unencoded. See? > > > > The peak dynamic range of analog tape is the range from the minimum > > fluxivity needed to "switch" the magnetic domains of each individual > > particle to point where no mor eparticles can be magnetized, causing > > clipping. This presumes no noise is added by the audio electronics and > > no processing by noise reduction schema like Dolby or dbx. > > > > > >> And my other concern, that I already mentioned, was your deck's ability >to > >> play back Dolby recorded cassettes as well as a Dolby equiped deck can, >or > >> did you decide that your are going to include some form of Dolby > > processing > >> after all, that one can switch out of the circuit when using your >system? > > > > This is an unresolved issue. > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > > pro audio info! ><< doane.vcf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 21 17:48:13 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:48:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <4447DEE1.6040306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Let's not forget that digital audio is much more complex then analog audio.. so making a list like that and trying to compare it to analog, doesn't mean that digital is worse, it just means that it is a lot more complex and the engineers had a lot more to contend with.. goes right along with the computer age, doesn't it? Computers are highly complex and subject to a lot more problems then an abacus as well, although I still love abacus machines and they have a lot more craftsmanship then computers. :~) It's also not a matter of simple is better, if that were true, then we should stick with just listening to live music, and yes, life music is better then anything, IF, it's in the right environment to listen to it and you have good muscians, conductors, etc. :~) Doane ------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:20 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Hi Keith, Keith Jackson wrote: > The limiting factors of analogue devices are THD, wow and flutter, and > dynamic range. Digital does handily take care of these factors. Never forget, though, the limiting factors of digital devices are jitter, aliasing, horrific distortion and sharp clipping caused by overmodulation (in stark contrast to analog's gentle increase of distortion with overmodulation), decreasing low-level resolution as bit depth decreases, bit depth limitations, word length limitations, interpolation errors, error correction effectiveness, transient intermodulation distortion caused by the output filtration, transient ringing caused by the output filtration, phase shift errors induced by both the coding and the caused by the output filtration, quantization noise, sampling rate conversion errors, bit truncation errors, generational errors caused by cumulative errors of the least significant bit, a-to-d convertor mistracking, d-to-a convertor mistracking, copy protection schema sonic artifacts, and did I miss something? I know I did but I cannot think of it. Analog does handily take care of these factors. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 21 20:25:04 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:25:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600 for parts if you want it In-Reply-To: <003401c664dc$5e097a60$6401a8c0@dell> References: <003401c664dc$5e097a60$6401a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <44492380.4020304@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Keith, Sad to see how this 600 was mutilated. It still available I'll give it a good home. Keith Dawson wrote: > Dear Nakkers, > > I'm sad to say the my 600 cannot be revived for a price that I can > afford, so I'm offering it to anyone willing to pay the cost of shipping > plus $10 from ESLabs in Connecticut to your location. Here's Jeff's > diagnosis of it's ills - > > We carefully examined and tested your Nakamichi 600 cassette deck. > Someone glues a substitute head in place of the Nakamichi head and > sanded the surface of the capstan shaft. The capstan bearings are worn > causing tape travel problems. It also suffers from worn and aged rubber > belts and rollers as well as dried-up lubrication. This machine needs a > complete comprehensive overhaul so that it can be restored into a > perfect operating reliable condition. The drive motor should be > disassembled and refurbished because it has become worn and has > commutator oxidation. The record/play head, erase head, capstan > flywheel assembly, capstan bearings, lamps, drive belt, counter/motion > sense belt, supply and take-up reel hub tires, pressure roller are aged, > worn or defective and would be replaced along with other worn, defective > and known to fail parts. > > As you can see the components that are effected are many, and it > would be in my best interests to replace it with a newer model for the > costs involved to refurbish it. Cosmetically, It's quite nice with > meters, lights and all lettering intact. Also all of the little caps for > level adjustment are present. If you have a dowdy 600, here's a very > nice shell to help you dress it up a bit. > > AND IF YOU ACT NOW, I'LL SEND YOU THE SMOKED DUST COVER AT MY OWN > EXPENSE! (fine print) Unfortunately, I can't make that offer to my > friends overseas. I can only afford to ship to the US and Canada. The > cover is also in excellent condition with no cracks or anything like that. > > I asked Jeff if he could hold on to it for a week so I could let you > all know about it in case there were any takers, so if you're interested > please contact both Jeff and myself by Friday, April 28 or he is free to > dispose of it as he sees fit. > > Thanks, > > Keith Dawson > > PS, If you think the packing is a bit strange, it isn't Jeff fault. It's > my first shot at shipping anything like this :) > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 21 20:28:17 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:28:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <44482B8A.4040808@sbcglobal.net> References: <44482B8A.4040808@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <44492441.90603@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Kenneth, Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote: > Kermit says: > > "Never forget, though, the limiting factors of digital devices are > jitter, aliasing, horrific distortion and sharp clipping caused by > overmodulation (in stark contrast to analog's gentle increase of > distortion with overmodulation), decreasing low-level resolution as bit > depth decreases, bit depth limitations, word length limitations, > interpolation errors, error correction effectiveness, transient > intermodulation distortion caused by the output filtration, transient > ringing caused by the output filtration, phase shift errors induced by > both the coding and the caused by the output filtration, quantization > noise, sampling rate conversion errors, bit truncation errors, > generational errors caused by cumulative errors of the least significant > bit, a-to-d convertor mistracking, d-to-a convertor mistracking, copy > protection schema sonic artifacts, and did I miss something? I know I > did but I cannot think of it." > > Ken says; > > Why yes, you forgot "Perfect Sound Forever" Oh. Slap me. I forgot. > To quote from a cd I own from Red Sky Records: > > " This was recorded analog. The digital equipment you are playing this > on will not reveal > flaws in the orginal recording. It will, however, cause it to suffer a > serious lack of balls > found in the original analog domain." > Perfect explanation! That's wonderful! They obviously have fun making records. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 21 20:31:35 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:31:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44492507.1030808@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > > It's also not a matter of simple is better, if that were true, then we > should stick with just listening to live music, and yes, life music is > better then anything, IF, it's in the right environment to listen to it and > you have good muscians, conductors, etc. :~) True, it's truly not a matter of simple is better, because if that were true, we'd still be listening to wind-up (spring motor driven) acoustic Victrolas! Yikes! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 21 20:37:55 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:37:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <4447DEE1.6040306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Is that all? Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 20 April 2006 20:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Hi Keith, Keith Jackson wrote: > The limiting factors of analogue devices are THD, wow and flutter, and > dynamic range. Digital does handily take care of these factors. Never forget, though, the limiting factors of digital devices are jitter, aliasing, horrific distortion and sharp clipping caused by overmodulation (in stark contrast to analog's gentle increase of distortion with overmodulation), decreasing low-level resolution as bit depth decreases, bit depth limitations, word length limitations, interpolation errors, error correction effectiveness, transient intermodulation distortion caused by the output filtration, transient ringing caused by the output filtration, phase shift errors induced by both the coding and the caused by the output filtration, quantization noise, sampling rate conversion errors, bit truncation errors, generational errors caused by cumulative errors of the least significant bit, a-to-d convertor mistracking, d-to-a convertor mistracking, copy protection schema sonic artifacts, and did I miss something? I know I did but I cannot think of it. Analog does handily take care of these factors. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Apr 21 20:37:30 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:37:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: <555D8526-5FB8-497B-BE5C-EFE6DF60F99E@alumni.caltech.edu> > You know, I ought to make a cassette deck with a tape extractor. No > particular reason, just to do it because it could be done. What's that > contest the Japanese have for the most humorous inventions? This would > be perfect for that contest! > > Well, if you're going to do that, then do it right. Make a U-load, like a good Beta deck, not that crummy M-load scheme :-).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Apr 21 20:47:05 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:47:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444928A9.20407@woods-and-waters.com> Nelson wrote: > There ARE times when I think I'd rather save my equipment from a flood than > I would some of my nearest and "dearest" ... as the saying goes, you can > choose your friends (and hi fi equipment, esp. the ZX9) but you can't choose > your family! Oh dear. Well, then, I'd rather be one of your tape decks instead of one of your family. -- The Kermitphonic 1000ZXL. ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 20 April 2006 20:24 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... > > > Oh dear! I hope you escaped the flooding successfully. At least your > family escaped the danger. You can replace equipment, you cannot replace > family! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Apr 21 20:48:05 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:48:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Message-ID: [hmmm...this was sent yesterday but isn't in the archive] re: Brasso Actually, there's a couple of devices on the market that do the same thing, probably a bit safer and easier. SkipDr is the oldest one I know of; have used it it with some success. The one I used was a hand-crank thing, but they make a motorized one now. Memorex has a motorized one that I didn't think worked as well, but it wasn't a scientific test. It looks like a company/device called Dr Fix is about the same as the Memorex one (or vice versa). Different drives and cleaning the lens may also help. On home-burned CDs, I remembered one other difference which relates to the burn speed. Most newer CD drives have buffer underrun protection. I'm not sure on the details but I believe they try to slow down and/or do session linking to keep you from making a complete frisbee if the machine feeding data to the burner can't keep up. CDs are really supposed to be burned with a steady data stream. However, the cost of using the buffer underrun is that you (and especially at a faster burn rate=more chance you actually need to use the underrun feature) may be a disk that won't play on certain players, most likely old settop boxes (i.e. old audio players). Oh, and especially for the Nero users (I've never actually done burning on a PC so haven't used it) but I would assume overburning (trying to cram more on the CD that it claims it can handle) probably doesn't help either.-kby From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 21 20:37:57 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:37:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... In-Reply-To: <4447DFCC.7050306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: There ARE times when I think I'd rather save my equipment from a flood than I would some of my nearest and "dearest" ... as the saying goes, you can choose your friends (and hi fi equipment, esp. the ZX9) but you can't choose your family! Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 20 April 2006 20:24 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... Oh dear! I hope you escaped the flooding successfully. At least your family escaped the danger. You can replace equipment, you cannot replace family! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Apr 21 20:51:34 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:51:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444929B6.7040706@rcn.com> Doane Hoag wrote: > [.........] > > It's also not a matter of simple is better, As a matter a fact, the reverse is true. Part of any product definition phase often involves trade off between high capability and ease of use (simplicity). Turns out that the two are inversely proportional: the more powerful a device, the more less easy to use it is. My favorite example: compare an old style typewrite (if you can still remember those) with a word processor. The typewriter is quite easy to use, but ridiculously weak. The word processor... see what I mean? -- Ron if that were true, then we > should stick with just listening to live music, and yes, life music is > better then anything, IF, it's in the right environment to listen to it and > you have good muscians, conductors, etc. :~) > > Doane > ------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:20 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > > > Hi Keith, > > Keith Jackson wrote: >> The limiting factors of analogue devices are THD, wow and flutter, and >> dynamic range. Digital does handily take care of these factors. > > Never forget, though, the limiting factors of digital devices are > jitter, aliasing, horrific distortion and sharp clipping caused by > overmodulation (in stark contrast to analog's gentle increase of > distortion with overmodulation), decreasing low-level resolution as bit > depth decreases, bit depth limitations, word length limitations, > interpolation errors, error correction effectiveness, transient > intermodulation distortion caused by the output filtration, transient > ringing caused by the output filtration, phase shift errors induced by > both the coding and the caused by the output filtration, quantization > noise, sampling rate conversion errors, bit truncation errors, > generational errors caused by cumulative errors of the least significant > bit, a-to-d convertor mistracking, d-to-a convertor mistracking, copy > protection schema sonic artifacts, and did I miss something? I know I > did but I cannot think of it. > > Analog does handily take care of these factors. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 21 20:57:46 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:57:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <44492507.1030808@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hay, I had one of those when I was a kid.. it played 45s.. wasn't quite wind up, you plugged it in, but it had what looked like the end of a darning needle for the stylis in a plastic arm, with a built in 3" speaker. When I turned it on, I had to spin the turn table to get it going, I think did only spin in one direction though! :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:32 AM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > > It's also not a matter of simple is better, if that were true, then we > should stick with just listening to live music, and yes, life music is > better then anything, IF, it's in the right environment to listen to it and > you have good muscians, conductors, etc. :~) True, it's truly not a matter of simple is better, because if that were true, we'd still be listening to wind-up (spring motor driven) acoustic Victrolas! Yikes! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Brien On Apr 20, 2006, at 3:54 AM, N4229K at aol.com wrote: > So if compared to a ZX-7 the DRs are average Naks just above a BX > deck? > Talking in loose terms? > Dean > > > In a message dated 4/20/2006 5:39:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > audioetc at videotron.qc.ca writes: > At 17:16 04/19/2006, you wrote: > >I'm posting this for Dean... > >Wouter > >Hi All: > >Can anyone tell me the difference between a DR-1, DR-2 and a DR-10? > >Thanks > >Dean > > All three decks are basically the same except for DR-1 which features > user adjustable playback azimuth. I think DR-1 also has adjustable > output level and gold plated RCA jacks. > > Except for cosmetics, DR-1 is also the same as Cassette Deck 1 while > DR-2 and DR-8 are the same as Cassette Deck 1.5 . > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Apr 21 22:16:22 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:16:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <444929B6.7040706@rcn.com> Message-ID: LOL Ron, I know you love to argue every point, but what you just said is not necessarily true either, and again, I was talking about quality of sound, not how easy it is to use something. I guess you didn't read back far enough in the posts. :~) But, even then, what you said is generally true about complexity but you know that that's what good design is all about solving, that's what ergonomics are all about too. So a more complex design does not automatically mean less simplicity if it's controls are designed in a intuitive, easy to use way. A good example would be the early digital cameras that were a nightmare to use, or the early digital room thermostats, etc. Look at these same consumer items today, most companies, while adding tons of more complex features, have managed to actually simplify their operation for the customer. The only product I can think of that they haven't done very well with are most remote controls, but VCR+ was one big step forward. I just bought a new Panasonic camera and was amazed at the improvements in not only its features and the number of features, but the simplicity of using it over the camera that I had bought just two years ago. the controls on this one are much easier to navigate, much faster to use and their priority of accessibility is much better then previous models. Yep, I used to have a manual typewriter portable, for many years, not even electric. Your example of a word processor is good, only if you ignore the fact that you don't have to learn to use all of its multiple features in order to get the same results you got with the manual typewriter. If it's a well designed software package, the basic user level should be simple to use and navigate while more complex operations are available as the customer learns to use them. That's exactly the case with the more successful programs like Microsoft has come out with and the reason that Word is the most popular program out there, while many of the other programs like Wordstar fell by the way side. Cheers, Doane ----------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:52 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Doane Hoag wrote: > [.........] > > It's also not a matter of simple is better, As a matter a fact, the reverse is true. Part of any product definition phase often involves trade off between high capability and ease of use (simplicity). Turns out that the two are inversely proportional: the more powerful a device, the more less easy to use it is. My favorite example: compare an old style typewrite (if you can still remember those) with a word processor. The typewriter is quite easy to use, but ridiculously weak. The word processor... see what I mean? -- Ron if that were true, then we > should stick with just listening to live music, and yes, life music is > better then anything, IF, it's in the right environment to listen to it and > you have good muscians, conductors, etc. :~) > > Doane > ------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:20 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > > > Hi Keith, > > Keith Jackson wrote: >> The limiting factors of analogue devices are THD, wow and flutter, and >> dynamic range. Digital does handily take care of these factors. > > Never forget, though, the limiting factors of digital devices are > jitter, aliasing, horrific distortion and sharp clipping caused by > overmodulation (in stark contrast to analog's gentle increase of > distortion with overmodulation), decreasing low-level resolution as bit > depth decreases, bit depth limitations, word length limitations, > interpolation errors, error correction effectiveness, transient > intermodulation distortion caused by the output filtration, transient > ringing caused by the output filtration, phase shift errors induced by > both the coding and the caused by the output filtration, quantization > noise, sampling rate conversion errors, bit truncation errors, > generational errors caused by cumulative errors of the least significant > bit, a-to-d convertor mistracking, d-to-a convertor mistracking, copy > protection schema sonic artifacts, and did I miss something? I know I > did but I cannot think of it. > > Analog does handily take care of these factors. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Apr 21 22:42:49 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:42:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <44482B8A.4040808@sbcglobal.net> References: <44482B8A.4040808@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <444943C9.6050004@xs4all.nl> I think this is going towards audiotalk.... Please continue there! Wouter From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 21 22:43:57 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:43:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060421111221.00827100@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060421111221.00827100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4449440D.2050900@yahoo.ca> Hi Tech a écrit : > The bias head would have to sit where the pressure pad is, so it wold have > to be thin film. I was thinking, since the impedance is constant (f is > constant) some sort of extended pole might work. The coils would sit at > right angles. Imagine a crook in your finger. The nail is the head, the > palm is where the coils are. Crossfield does a much better job of > magnetizing the tape particles. > The other option is to pull the tape out of the cassette as a helical scan > deck might do. > Like I told, but Kermit seems to find this a bit hilarious. ;-) It would make things a lot simpler. You don't use the cassette pressure pad anymore, you can put a crossfield head, parts could auto-demagnetize even if a cassette is in the deck on power-up, but the problem is the cassette itself, the openings are a bit small to be able to pull the tape out easily. There could be 5 electric drills that unscrew the shell to pull the spools and tape out when you put a tape in, and replace it after. Or maybe an horizontal-loading mechanism where you put a Norelco box and it opens it and get the cassette out? Just joking ;-D Antoine From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 22 00:05:30 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:05:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <444943C9.6050004@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Sorry, Wouter.. let me change this a bit to get back on track, or rather, back on tape. :~) What are other Nak users thoughts on the design of the decks they've owned over the years? My brother had a 581 which was made around 1980. It had no user head adjustments, but it did have bias and levels adjustments with built in 400hz and 15khz test tones. There were a series of small holes on the front panel that one could adjust the series of screws to set the bias and levels correctly for each tape being used. Of course, unless you used the same tape batch and brand all the time, you had to do this quite often for peak results and it was a bit slow and a bit complicated and the screw adjustments were a bit temperamental. Several years later I owned a ZX7 which had beautifully automated and condensed the process into three steps but still gave you the option of miss adjusting for effects you wanted. Here was the process, and it sounds complicated, but when you did it it was so easy and visually it made so much sense, you could do the adjustment in about 30 seconds each time. You would put the deck in record/pause mode then in step one you would push a button which would cause the record head knob to stick out and be available for adjustment, the deck would start recording it's built in 400hz tone and just above that same button you would see red lights on either the left or right indicating which way to slowly turn the adjustment knob. When you did, and the head was in adjustment, a green light in the middle would indicate success. You then depressed that button to enter the second step, adjusting levels. In this step 2 the 400hz tone continued to be recorded and you would adjust one set of three sets of two small knobs (right & left channels) which sat vertically under a button for the tape type and horizontally directly across from a levels button. You would adjust these two knobs so that the bar graph diodes would be set to the calibration mark on the scale. In step 3, you would push the bias button to start the 15khz bias signal to be recorded. You would then adjust the right and left channels for the bias, which were arranged in a similar fashion as the levels buttons.. across from the bias button and directly under the shared tape type button. Finally, with everything in adjustment, you hit the calibration Reset button, which stopped the calibration record process, rewound the tape to the beginning 0000 meter point where you had started the calibration process and stopped the transport. I've always thought this was one of the most well thought out and beautifully designed decks that Nakamichi made as well as having superb sound. Would anyone be interested in describing their favorite Nakamichi decks setup process and what they liked about it? Doane ------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital I think this is going towards audiotalk.... Please continue there! Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 22 06:48:04 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060422044804.89038.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmm.. We didnt had to worry about these matters for tapes did we! So long we put them back in their boxes after playing and kept the tape heads clean, everything was fine and they worked perfectly! But when it comes to cleaning records, frankly, I enjoyed it. Regards Bala 79Labs "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: [hmmm...this was sent yesterday but isn't in the archive] re: Brasso Actually, there's a couple of devices on the market that do the same thing, probably a bit safer and easier. SkipDr is the oldest one I know of; have used it it with some success. The one I used was a hand-crank thing, but they make a motorized one now. Memorex has a motorized one that I didn't think worked as well, but it wasn't a scientific test. It looks like a company/device called Dr Fix is about the same as the Memorex one (or vice versa). Different drives and cleaning the lens may also help. On home-burned CDs, I remembered one other difference which relates to the burn speed. Most newer CD drives have buffer underrun protection. I'm not sure on the details but I believe they try to slow down and/or do session linking to keep you from making a complete frisbee if the machine feeding data to the burner can't keep up. CDs are really supposed to be burned with a steady data stream. However, the cost of using the buffer underrun is that you (and especially at a faster burn rate=more chance you actually need to use the underrun feature) may be a disk that won't play on certain players, most likely old settop boxes (i.e. old audio players). Oh, and especially for the Nero users (I've never actually done burning on a PC so haven't used it) but I would assume overburning (trying to cram more on the CD that it claims it can handle) probably doesn't help either.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Apr 22 00:54:31 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:54:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, just think, you run into the house one last time before its all over, and there is 1) your mother in law, and 2) youre precious Nakamichi that was just fully serviced and aligned by Bowers and Wilkens.... Whats that in your arms as you walk out that door? Well, It isnt dear old MUM-in -law!! :-) On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:37:57 -0500, Nelson wrote: > There ARE times when I think I'd rather save my equipment from a flood > than > I would some of my nearest and "dearest" ... as the saying goes, you can > choose your friends (and hi fi equipment, esp. the ZX9) but you can't > choose > your family! > > Grinham > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 20 April 2006 20:24 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... > > > Oh dear! I hope you escaped the flooding successfully. At least your > family escaped the danger. You can replace equipment, you cannot replace > family! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Apr 22 01:18:09 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:18:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How Much $$$ for a New Nak Deck Today? Message-ID: > There could be 5 electric drills that unscrew the shell to pull the > spools and tape out when you put a tape in, and replace it after. > Or maybe an horizontal-loading mechanism where you put a Norelco > box and > it opens it and get the cassette out? Just joking ;-D > But newer TDK cassettes (and others, of course) don't have screws. The trend is to molded shells :-). You'll need something like a solvent to open the weld, and then seal it back again. Careful, don't shift the deck while it's opening the cassette, or you might spill the solvent on the tape...-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Apr 22 01:38:01 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:38:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:05:30 -0500, Doane Hoag wrote: > Would anyone be interested in describing their favorite Nakamichi decks > setup process and what they liked about it? Yea, I have three RX303's that never need any belts hoses or oil changes. I put a tape in and record. I dont know a damn thing about adjustments. the tapes sound great. Maybe not perfect. I might be lucky, but all my tape decks work exteremely well, always have and as far as I can tell,they always will. That adjustment stuff is for you technichans and Xperts .Hero Nakamichi designed my deck to be a user friendly and reliable unit that sounds superb for a guy that cannot undersatnd how to set the clock on his VCR, like ME! What the heck is all these problems and excruciating adjustments ? A great deck works great for nearly ever. Mine do!!! -- From lenaw at flash.net Sat Apr 22 03:35:28 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:35:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Where to buy PRB Belts Message-ID: <000001c665ad$09d046f0$0cc5db40@CPQ16585250299> Hi: Anybody knows where I can be able to order PRB belts by mail order? Thanks. Regards, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 22 07:49:05 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:49:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jerry: All Nak decks are great, you are right, but having the adjustments, that I mentioned, you can get the best response from the different tape types and it's an improvement over decks that don't have any calibration controls. Just like the three head decks give you better response then the two head decks do, because the record and play back head can be optimized for what they do. And, my point was that you don't have to be a technician to make the adjustments I descripbed, you just do the 1-2-3 step process and you're done, on the ZX7, while the 581 was a bit more complicated. But there is nothing wrong with you being happy with what you have.. the RX303 is also an excellent auto reverse deck, even though it is only 2 head it does have a bias adjustment, don't you ever use it? I'm sure it can't be that complicated, even for you? Doane -----Original Message----- From: jerryjg [mailto:gjgkerrtx at ktc.com] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:38 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:05:30 -0500, Doane Hoag wrote: > Would anyone be interested in describing their favorite Nakamichi decks > setup process and what they liked about it? Yea, I have three RX303's that never need any belts hoses or oil changes. I put a tape in and record. I dont know a damn thing about adjustments. the tapes sound great. Maybe not perfect. I might be lucky, but all my tape decks work exteremely well, always have and as far as I can tell,they always will. That adjustment stuff is for you technichans and Xperts .Hero Nakamichi designed my deck to be a user friendly and reliable unit that sounds superb for a guy that cannot undersatnd how to set the clock on his VCR, like ME! What the heck is all these problems and excruciating adjustments ? A great deck works great for nearly ever. Mine do!!! -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From N4229K at aol.com Sat Apr 22 11:55:27 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:55:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Where to buy PRB Belts Message-ID: <3de.17b64e.317b578f@aol.com> Hi Mike: I'm going to hit PRB next week on the way to work. I'm waiting for an idler tire from Tom to try to get some made for Nak decks where there is no supply. Anyone wanting me to pick up belts, or the like send me the PRB numbers you want and I'll get them and post them to you. By the way the deal on the RX-202 doors fell through and I'm exploring other avenues on that one. Regards, Dean In a message dated 4/22/2006 2:32:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writesHi: Anybody knows where I can be able to order PRB belts by mail order? Thanks. Regards, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Sat Apr 22 11:57:25 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:57:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Message-ID: <322.2cf7d1a.317b5805@aol.com> I agree -- the 303 is one of the most underrated "reliable NAK decks. I have one myself Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 22 13:48:15 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:48:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh no, Jerry - my Mum in law is as precious as my ZX-9. She and I have a common enemy - her daughter! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jerryjg Sent: 21 April 2006 23:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Kermit's new deck / Keep your fingers crossed... Yes, just think, you run into the house one last time before its all over, and there is 1) your mother in law, and 2) youre precious Nakamichi that was just fully serviced and aligned by Bowers and Wilkens.... Whats that in your arms as you walk out that door? Well, It isnt dear old MUM-in -law!! :-) On Fri, 21 Apr From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 22 14:37:01 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:37:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444A236D.1070300@rcn.com> I used to own a 582, that had the same alignment facilities you describe (that is, tiny trim pots behind tiny holes in the front panel), plus easy access to record head azimuth alignment. There was a two frequency alignment oscillator (400Hz and 15KHz) for setting up recording bias, Dolby level and record head azimuth. Yes, I "had to do this quite often for peak results" but never found "it was a bit slow and a bit complicated and the screw adjustments were a bit temperamental". I got to the point where I did it in about 10 seconds, before each and every recording session. It worked great for many years until I sold the deck. Made great recordings, that I enjoy to this day. My current CR-7 does sound better on PB, but recording quality is about the same as that old 582. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Sorry, Wouter.. let me change this a bit to get back on track, or rather, > back on tape. :~) > > What are other Nak users thoughts on the design of the decks they've owned > over the years? > > My brother had a 581 which was made around 1980. It had no user head > adjustments, but it did have bias and levels adjustments with built in 400hz > and 15khz test tones. There were a series of small holes on the front panel > that one could adjust the series of screws to set the bias and levels > correctly for each tape being used. Of course, unless you used the same tape > batch and brand all the time, you had to do this quite often for peak > results and it was a bit slow and a bit complicated and the screw > adjustments were a bit temperamental. > > Several years later I owned a ZX7 which had beautifully automated and > condensed the process into three steps but still gave you the option of miss > adjusting for effects you wanted. > > Here was the process, and it sounds complicated, but when you did it it was > so easy and visually it made so much sense, you could do the adjustment in > about 30 seconds each time. You would put the deck in record/pause mode then > in step one you would push a button which would cause the record head knob > to stick out and be available for adjustment, the deck would start recording > it's built in 400hz tone and just above that same button you would see red > lights on either the left or right indicating which way to slowly turn the > adjustment knob. When you did, and the head was in adjustment, a green light > in the middle would indicate success. You then depressed that button to > enter the second step, adjusting levels. In this step 2 the 400hz tone > continued to be recorded and you would adjust one set of three sets of two > small knobs (right & left channels) which sat vertically under a button for > the tape type and horizontally directly across from a levels button. You > would adjust these two knobs so that the bar graph diodes would be set to > the calibration mark on the scale. > In step 3, you would push the bias button to start the 15khz bias signal to > be recorded. You would then adjust the right and left channels for the bias, > which were arranged in a similar fashion as the levels buttons.. across from > the bias button and directly under the shared tape type button. > Finally, with everything in adjustment, you hit the calibration Reset > button, which stopped the calibration record process, rewound the tape to > the beginning 0000 meter point where you had started the calibration process > and stopped the transport. > > I've always thought this was one of the most well thought out and > beautifully designed decks that Nakamichi made as well as having superb > sound. > > Would anyone be interested in describing their favorite Nakamichi decks > setup process and what they liked about it? > > Doane > ------------------------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:43 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > > > I think this is going towards audiotalk.... > Please continue there! > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From N4229K at aol.com Sat Apr 22 17:00:03 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:00:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck wanted Message-ID: <274.98c7b73.317b9ef3@aol.com> Hi Tom: Did you ever ship me the Idler tire? I have been waiting ....... Regards, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Apr 22 15:52:27 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:52:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444A351B.4070509@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Would anyone be interested in describing their favorite Nakamichi decks > setup process and what they liked about it? I'm still voting for the 600 and 600-II as my all-around favorites, even for alignment. Why? No automation. Just straightforward potentiometer controls and a built-in oscillator uisg the deck's meters as a test instrument. Simple, reliable and flexible. It also lets me tweak the sound by violating what is technically the "correct" settings. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 22 16:16:02 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:16:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <444A351B.4070509@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: That's why I like the ZX7, it isn't automated, it's just organized visually and in steps. It has the same benefits you just mentioned, and none of the hard to adjust, small adjustment screws or complicated process. I really wish you could get your hands on one, Kermit, I know you would love it. And you get Dolby C, and the benefit of being able to adjust the record head azimuth precisely and easily, and it has three heads so you get real tape monitoring while recording and metal tape capability. Your 600 series calibration sounds much like the 581 I was describing earlier. What is the actual process in doing your alignment, can you describe it here? Also, I noticed the 600s used a bias tone of 10khz, instead of 15khz used in the later decks, why is that, do you know? Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:52 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Would anyone be interested in describing their favorite Nakamichi decks > setup process and what they liked about it? I'm still voting for the 600 and 600-II as my all-around favorites, even for alignment. Why? No automation. Just straightforward potentiometer controls and a built-in oscillator uisg the deck's meters as a test instrument. Simple, reliable and flexible. It also lets me tweak the sound by violating what is technically the "correct" settings. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Apr 22 16:47:51 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:47:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <444A236D.1070300@rcn.com> Message-ID: The 581 looks identical to the 582 and they were both made 1979-82.. I noticed the 581Z went to the bar type meeters and Dolby C, but what was the difference between the 581 and 582? On the 581 I don't remember being able to set the record azimuth, how did you do that with your 582? Doane ------------ -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:37 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital I used to own a 582, that had the same alignment facilities you describe (that is, tiny trim pots behind tiny holes in the front panel), plus easy access to record head azimuth alignment. There was a two frequency alignment oscillator (400Hz and 15KHz) for setting up recording bias, Dolby level and record head azimuth. Yes, I "had to do this quite often for peak results" but never found "it was a bit slow and a bit complicated and the screw adjustments were a bit temperamental". I got to the point where I did it in about 10 seconds, before each and every recording session. It worked great for many years until I sold the deck. Made great recordings, that I enjoy to this day. My current CR-7 does sound better on PB, but recording quality is about the same as that old 582. -- Ron Doane Hoag wrote: > Sorry, Wouter.. let me change this a bit to get back on track, or rather, > back on tape. :~) > > What are other Nak users thoughts on the design of the decks they've owned > over the years? > > My brother had a 581 which was made around 1980. It had no user head > adjustments, but it did have bias and levels adjustments with built in 400hz > and 15khz test tones. There were a series of small holes on the front panel > that one could adjust the series of screws to set the bias and levels > correctly for each tape being used. Of course, unless you used the same tape > batch and brand all the time, you had to do this quite often for peak > results and it was a bit slow and a bit complicated and the screw > adjustments were a bit temperamental. > > Several years later I owned a ZX7 which had beautifully automated and > condensed the process into three steps but still gave you the option of miss > adjusting for effects you wanted. > > Here was the process, and it sounds complicated, but when you did it it was > so easy and visually it made so much sense, you could do the adjustment in > about 30 seconds each time. You would put the deck in record/pause mode then > in step one you would push a button which would cause the record head knob > to stick out and be available for adjustment, the deck would start recording > it's built in 400hz tone and just above that same button you would see red > lights on either the left or right indicating which way to slowly turn the > adjustment knob. When you did, and the head was in adjustment, a green light > in the middle would indicate success. You then depressed that button to > enter the second step, adjusting levels. In this step 2 the 400hz tone > continued to be recorded and you would adjust one set of three sets of two > small knobs (right & left channels) which sat vertically under a button for > the tape type and horizontally directly across from a levels button. You > would adjust these two knobs so that the bar graph diodes would be set to > the calibration mark on the scale. > In step 3, you would push the bias button to start the 15khz bias signal to > be recorded. You would then adjust the right and left channels for the bias, > which were arranged in a similar fashion as the levels buttons.. across from > the bias button and directly under the shared tape type button. > Finally, with everything in adjustment, you hit the calibration Reset > button, which stopped the calibration record process, rewound the tape to > the beginning 0000 meter point where you had started the calibration process > and stopped the transport. > > I've always thought this was one of the most well thought out and > beautifully designed decks that Nakamichi made as well as having superb > sound. > > Would anyone be interested in describing their favorite Nakamichi decks > setup process and what they liked about it? > > Doane > ------------------------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:43 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital > > > I think this is going towards audiotalk.... > Please continue there! > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Careful, don't shift the deck while it's opening the cassette, or you might spill the solvent on the tape...-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 22 19:07:49 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:07:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license Message-ID: <444A62E5.3050301@rcn.com> I had a chance to drop the question on a legal guru. She hastened to state that this is not where her expertise lies (she teaches and write books on other stuff), but in her opinion, since Dolby's technology may be considered a de-facto standard, they should grant a license (or can be made to do so by a judge, at considerable cost to them). Since she is not an expert, she offered to run the question by a colleague who is. I said, don't bother, I was just checking, this was my thought as well. -- Ron From ws407c at comcast.net Sat Apr 22 22:45:09 2006 From: ws407c at comcast.net (ws407c at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:45:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200ii help Message-ID: <042220062045.7065.444A95D5000E06FA00001B9922007613940CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> I recently purchased a TD-1200ii mobile deck without the owners manual and need info on how to input the security code. Is there a trick to it or just hit the keys when powered up ? For some reason my AOL e-mail is not working with naktalk and I had to re register with my comcast account . anybody else have this problem ? Thank's Dave From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Apr 22 23:06:06 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:06:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200ii help In-Reply-To: <042220062045.7065.444A95D5000E06FA00001B9922007613940CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> References: <042220062045.7065.444A95D5000E06FA00001B9922007613940CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <444A9ABE.6010401@cox.net> Once it is connected to power there is about a 5 minute delay before it will accept the security code. You simply have to wait. If it stays connected to power, acceptance is immediate, but if the power to the yellow wire (which should be connected to a 'battery' supply) is interrupted there will be another 5 minute waiting period once power is restored. ws407c at comcast.net wrote: > I recently purchased a TD-1200ii mobile deck without the owners manual and need info on how to input the security code. Is there a trick to it or just hit the keys when powered up ? > > For some reason my AOL e-mail is not working with naktalk and I had to re register with my comcast account . anybody else have this problem ? > > Thank's > > Dave > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Sat Apr 22 23:44:44 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:44:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license In-Reply-To: <444A62E5.3050301@rcn.com> Message-ID: Well, the question is, The Dolby analog systems is more than 25 years old, hence no patent or anything. As far as I can see, one only need for the license is if the DD symbol is used. Asuming that we are not thinking of Dolbydigital aac ant the like. I'm pretty sure that all analog noice reducing systems, dolby B,C,S,dbX Hicomm or whatever they were called, now is public domain. A patent is only valid for 25 years, license to use the symbol is another thing. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:08 PM > To: NakTalk > Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license > > > I had a chance to drop the question on a legal guru. > She hastened to state that this is not where her expertise > lies (she teaches and write books on other stuff), but in her > opinion, since Dolby's technology may be considered a > de-facto standard, they should grant a license (or can be > made to do so by a judge, at considerable cost to them). > Since she is not an expert, she offered to run the question > by a colleague who is. I said, don't bother, I was just > checking, this was my thought as well. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > From ws407c at comcast.net Sun Apr 23 00:08:45 2006 From: ws407c at comcast.net (ws407c at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:08:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200ii help Message-ID: <042220062208.23788.444AA96D000D547300005CEC22058864420CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> Thank's Tim for your reply. When I power up the deck , I hear the transport run for about 3 seconds and then it is totally dead , no lights but on and consuming current. I wait the 5 minutes and press the code and nothing. Is it normal for the deck do not display anything until the code is accepted ? Do I need to hold down another button or press something else ? There are 4 wires , red/orange/yellow which are fused and a brown which is unfused. I use the case for the negative and red/ora/yel for positive with brown not connected. possibly I do not have the wiring right or it is in need of repair. thanks for your time, Dave Once it is connected to power there is about a 5 minute delay before it will accept the security code. You simply have to wait. If it stays connected to power, acceptance is immediate, but if the power to the yellow wire (which should be connected to a 'battery' supply) is interrupted there will be another 5 minute waiting period once power is restored. ws407c at comcast.net wrote: > I recently purchased a TD-1200ii mobile deck without the owners manual and need info on how to input the security code. Is there a trick to it or just hit the keys when powered up ? > > For some reason my AOL e-mail is not working with naktalk and I had to re register with my comcast account . anybody else have this problem ? > > Thank's > > Dave From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sun Apr 23 00:44:35 2006 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:44:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Where to buy PRB Belts Message-ID: <200604221844_MC3-1-BD80-300E@compuserve.com> Hi Dean, Thanks for your updates on PRB. As someone posted earlier, the thickness of PRB Flat replacement belts are too large compared to original belts. Can you ask your contact person for any improvement? I just measured the original capstan motor belts and the PRB equivalents of my nak 700zxe and akai gx-f91: Nak 700zxe thickness: original 0.45mm, FRM9.2 0.75mm width: original 5mm, FRM9.2 5.4mm Akai thickness: original (MB-336026) 0.45mm, FRM9.0 0.8mm width: original 5.1mm, FRM9.0 5.2mm I assume the length is about right. The thickness of the original belts may be a little more, since they were worn out. Probably they were 0.5mm when new, but not thicker. (0.5mm = 0.019685") Maybe they are just not able to manufacture belts this thin. Then we should look for another manufacturer?! Thanks, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 7 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:55:27 EDT From: N4229K at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to buy PRB Belts To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <3de.17b64e.317b578f at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Mike: I'm going to hit PRB next week on the way to work. I'm waiting for an idler tire from Tom to try to get some made for Nak decks where there is no supply. Anyone wanting me to pick up belts, or the like send me the PRB numbers you want and I'll get them and post them to you. By the way the deal on the RX-202 doors fell through and I'm exploring other avenues on that one. Regards, Dean In a message dated 4/22/2006 2:32:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writesHi: Anybody knows where I can be able to order PRB belts by mail order? Thanks. Regards, Mike < From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Apr 23 00:46:07 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:46:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200ii help In-Reply-To: <042220062208.23788.444AA96D000D547300005CEC22058864420CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> References: <042220062208.23788.444AA96D000D547300005CEC22058864420CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <444AB22F.5070405@cox.net> As I recall, when you first hook up power nothing happens at all. After five minutes have elapsed, key in your security code. If the code is correct, a single green indicator lights up on the display. If the code is incorrect, nothing happens. The yellow wire should be hooked to a constant 12V source, the red wire to a 'switched' 12V source (on only when the ignition is switched on). I believe the brown and orange are power antenna activation and power amp turn on. I think. It is not necessary to hook them up to test the unit. Chassis is fine for the ground connection. I've got a TD1200II here that I need to dig out this weekend anyway, so I'll refresh my memory with it and get back to you. It will probably be tomorrow before this happens. Tim ws407c at comcast.net wrote: > Thank's Tim for your reply. > When I power up the deck , I hear the transport run for about 3 seconds and then it is totally dead , no lights but on and consuming current. > > I wait the 5 minutes and press the code and nothing. Is it normal for the deck do not display anything until the code is accepted ? Do I need to hold down another button or press something else ? > > There are 4 wires , red/orange/yellow which are fused and a brown which is unfused. I use the case for the negative and red/ora/yel for positive with brown not connected. > > possibly I do not have the wiring right or it is in need of repair. > > thanks for your time, > Dave > > > > > Once it is connected to power there is about a 5 minute delay before it will accept the security code. You simply have to wait. If it stays connected to power, acceptance is immediate, but if the power to the yellow wire (which should be connected to a 'battery' supply) is interrupted there will be another 5 minute waiting period once power is restored. > > ws407c at comcast.net wrote: > >> I recently purchased a TD-1200ii mobile deck without the owners manual and need info on how to input the security code. Is there a trick to it or just hit the keys when powered up ? >> >> For some reason my AOL e-mail is not working with naktalk and I had to re register with my comcast account . anybody else have this problem ? >> >> Thank's >> >> Dave >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Apr 23 02:02:23 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:02:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444AC40F.10104@yahoo.ca> Dolby seems to state on their websitethat if you want the Dolby logo or name on a product, you need to ask them and pay royalty fees, even if there are no license fees requiered. (I think that, as an example, you can state Pro Logic-compatible even if you have no license since almost every matrixed formats are basically the same thing, but you have royalty fees to pay...) Tomas Larsson a écrit : > Well, the question is, The Dolby analog systems is more than 25 years old, > hence no patent or anything. As far as I can see, one only need for the > license is if the DD symbol is used. > Asuming that we are not thinking of Dolbydigital aac ant the like. > > I'm pretty sure that all analog noice reducing systems, dolby B,C,S,dbX > Hicomm or whatever they were called, now is public domain. > > A patent is only valid for 25 years, license to use the symbol is another > thing. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron >> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:08 PM >> To: NakTalk >> Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license >> >> >> I had a chance to drop the question on a legal guru. >> She hastened to state that this is not where her expertise >> lies (she teaches and write books on other stuff), but in her >> opinion, since Dolby's technology may be considered a >> de-facto standard, they should grant a license (or can be >> made to do so by a judge, at considerable cost to them). >> Since she is not an expert, she offered to run the question >> by a colleague who is. I said, don't bother, I was just >> checking, this was my thought as well. >> >> -- Ron From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sun Apr 23 02:59:59 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:59:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 Message-ID: <444AD18F.1020301@caribsurf.com> I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to this, I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was sold in the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but they said the no longer had parts for the deck! A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this fault on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should try something similar with the Aiwa. I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? Regards Paul Carrington PS This will be my first Nak I have always been aware of their excellence but did not have the opportunity to get one and, in any case, the Aiwa worked very well....3 heads, adjustable bias etc From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Apr 23 04:55:13 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:55:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license In-Reply-To: <444AC40F.10104@yahoo.ca> References: <444AC40F.10104@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <444AEC91.9030007@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoione, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Dolby seems to state on their websitethat if you want the Dolby logo or > name on a product, you need to ask them and pay royalty fees, even if > there are no license fees requiered. (I think that, as an example, you > can state Pro Logic-compatible even if you have no license since almost > every matrixed formats are basically the same thing, but you have > royalty fees to pay...) > You got it! That's absolutely right. I have applied for a license to use Dolby B, C and S as well as the Double D symbol. If/when I receive a letter from Dolby I'll share what it says with the group. > Tomas Larsson a écrit : > >> Well, the question is, The Dolby analog systems is more than 25 years old, >> hence no patent or anything. As far as I can see, one only need for the >> license is if the DD symbol is used. >> Asuming that we are not thinking of Dolbydigital aac ant the like. >> >> I'm pretty sure that all analog noice reducing systems, dolby B,C,S,dbX >> Hicomm or whatever they were called, now is public domain. >> >> A patent is only valid for 25 years, license to use the symbol is another >> thing. >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>> Behalf Of Ron >>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:08 PM >>> To: NakTalk >>> Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license >>> >>> >>> I had a chance to drop the question on a legal guru. >>> She hastened to state that this is not where her expertise lies (she >>> teaches and write books on other stuff), but in her opinion, since >>> Dolby's technology may be considered a de-facto standard, they should >>> grant a license (or can be made to do so by a judge, at considerable >>> cost to them). Since she is not an expert, she offered to run the >>> question by a colleague who is. I said, don't bother, I was just >>> checking, this was my thought as well. >>> >>> -- Ron -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From N4229K at aol.com Sun Apr 23 13:28:39 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:28:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Where to buy PRB Belts Message-ID: <37a.181989c.317cbee7@aol.com> Hi Faud: If you could list size wanted In MM and Inches: Inner length x Thickness x Width i.e. 7.1x.035x.16 inches Also an acceptable range for each measurement. I agree the thickness is key but remember we are not dealing with the same composite either Regards, Dean In a message dated 4/22/2006 7:11:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 75541.100 at compuserve.com writes: Nak 700zxe thickness: original 0.45mm, FRM9.2 0.75mm width: original 5mm, FRM9.2 5.4mm Akai thickness: original (MB-336026) 0.45mm, FRM9.0 0.8mm width: original 5.1mm, FRM9.0 5.2mm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 23 13:39:26 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: <444AD18F.1020301@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <20060423113926.23817.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, The XK009 does not use the top motor for playback. When you remove the front panel, you can see a another motor on the lower right hand side. This one drives the take-up spool via a belt. Check if the belt is good. You rewind/forward is still good I presume? Regards Bala 79Labs Paul Carrington wrote: I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to this, I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was sold in the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but they said the no longer had parts for the deck! A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this fault on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should try something similar with the Aiwa. I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? 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URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sun Apr 23 13:21:57 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:21:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: <444AD18F.1020301@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: Hello Paul If you do find someone able/prepared to repair your Aiwa, I would be very grateful if you could let me know as well. I also have a couple of Excelia's and have been unsuccessful in finding somewhere in the UK to service them. I have even asked B&W, but they informed me that they just concentrated on Nakamichi decks. Personally I think the top Aiwa's were pretty good decks and even came close to the middle range Naks. It would be a shame to see them reduced to doortsops by being unable to get them repaired/serviced, especially when the problem of getting Naks serviced/repaired has been solved. Thanks. Doug -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 23 April 2006 02:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to this, I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was sold in the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but they said the no longer had parts for the deck! A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this fault on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should try something similar with the Aiwa. I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? Regards Paul Carrington PS This will be my first Nak I have always been aware of their excellence but did not have the opportunity to get one and, in any case, the Aiwa worked very well....3 heads, adjustable bias etc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 23 14:48:05 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:48:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license In-Reply-To: <444AC40F.10104@yahoo.ca> References: <444AC40F.10104@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <444B7785.3050307@rcn.com> What they state may -- or may not -- be relevant. Obviously, trade mark rights and patents are two different things, but the principle of the law is the same. If their trade mark is a standard that is a market requirement for successful selling of a product, I suspect that they cannot withhold it. In the case under discussion, if the technology is no longer protected, the product could incorporate it, but without showing the Double-D logo or mentioning the Dolby name. Since all buyers will know that Dolby is built in (at a volume of 500, that's easy to do), lacking the logo should have no effect on sales. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Dolby seems to state on their websitethat if you want the Dolby logo or > name on a product, you need to ask them and pay royalty fees, even if > there are no license fees requiered. (I think that, as an example, you > can state Pro Logic-compatible even if you have no license since almost > every matrixed formats are basically the same thing, but you have > royalty fees to pay...) > > Tomas Larsson a écrit : >> Well, the question is, The Dolby analog systems is more than 25 years >> old, >> hence no patent or anything. As far as I can see, one only need for the >> license is if the DD symbol is used. >> Asuming that we are not thinking of Dolbydigital aac ant the like. >> >> I'm pretty sure that all analog noice reducing systems, dolby B,C,S,dbX >> Hicomm or whatever they were called, now is public domain. >> >> A patent is only valid for 25 years, license to use the symbol is another >> thing. >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>> Behalf Of Ron >>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:08 PM >>> To: NakTalk >>> Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license >>> >>> >>> I had a chance to drop the question on a legal guru. >>> She hastened to state that this is not where her expertise lies (she >>> teaches and write books on other stuff), but in her opinion, since >>> Dolby's technology may be considered a de-facto standard, they should >>> grant a license (or can be made to do so by a judge, at considerable >>> cost to them). Since she is not an expert, she offered to run the >>> question by a colleague who is. I said, don't bother, I was just >>> checking, this was my thought as well. >>> >>> -- Ron From ws407c at comcast.net Sun Apr 23 15:51:50 2006 From: ws407c at comcast.net (ws407c at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:51:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Unable to access with AOL ?? Message-ID: <042320061351.6658.444B86760007267500001A0222007610640CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> Anybody having trouble here ? I receive this e-mail from my AOL account : Your membership in the mailing list Naktalk has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 02-Apr-2006. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 1 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at................. When I respond to it I get this message : The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Results: Invalid confirmation string. Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request. If your confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your original request or message. - Done. I have tried to e-mail directly and no response and was wondering if AOL is cut off from naktalk ? I am NOT looking for computer support and am curious as to find out if anybody is having this problem. I have since reregistered with my comcast account and it seems to work OK . Dave From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Apr 23 16:45:27 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:45:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <518b7b10604230745r310d870ft4685bb95affd3e96@mail.gmail.com> I am considering byiung a 682ZX. It's one of the few "landmark" Naks I've never owned, actually I've never had any of the 6xx series. What should I look out for, what tends to go wrong, what can I test easily without any equipment and without opening up the deck ? Any practical first-hand advice would be more than welcome. Thanks, George From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 23 17:54:57 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX In-Reply-To: <518b7b10604230745r310d870ft4685bb95affd3e96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060423155457.80936.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi George, The only thing I've seen go wrong with this series is the logic system. That too is easily fixed. They are a rugged and dependable line of decks. Ensure that the deck functions, including RAMM and auto-azimuth alignment. Some decks also have bad belts and pinch rollers. Check it out and let us know how it turns out. I've had 7 decks of this series, but none had a cap problem. Assuming that they had been reasonably taken care of, they should be in fine condition. Bala 79Labs george valkov wrote: I am considering byiung a 682ZX. It's one of the few "landmark" Naks I've never owned, actually I've never had any of the 6xx series. What should I look out for, what tends to go wrong, what can I test easily without any equipment and without opening up the deck ? Any practical first-hand advice would be more than welcome. Thanks, George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 23 17:58:35 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060423155835.91292.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Paul and Doug, The Excelias are wonderful machine, and when you let DBX kick in, they are wonderful sounding decks. Even without any NR, they give decks like the Nak 6xx series stiff competition. They are very simply designed, and hence easy to service. Let me know whats the problem - I can walk you guys through it. Regards Bala 79Labs Doug Locke wrote: Hello Paul If you do find someone able/prepared to repair your Aiwa, I would be very grateful if you could let me know as well. I also have a couple of Excelia's and have been unsuccessful in finding somewhere in the UK to service them. I have even asked B&W, but they informed me that they just concentrated on Nakamichi decks. Personally I think the top Aiwa's were pretty good decks and even came close to the middle range Naks. It would be a shame to see them reduced to doortsops by being unable to get them repaired/serviced, especially when the problem of getting Naks serviced/repaired has been solved. Thanks. Doug -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 23 April 2006 02:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to this, I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was sold in the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but they said the no longer had parts for the deck! A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this fault on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should try something similar with the Aiwa. I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? Regards Paul Carrington PS This will be my first Nak I have always been aware of their excellence but did not have the opportunity to get one and, in any case, the Aiwa worked very well....3 heads, adjustable bias etc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! 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URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Apr 23 18:11:20 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:11:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX In-Reply-To: <20060423155457.80936.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <518b7b10604230745r310d870ft4685bb95affd3e96@mail.gmail.com> <20060423155457.80936.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10604230911g5765bb7ahfda4c6fff9c35d78@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bala, Umm, so how exactly do I check the RAMM and Auto-azimuth alignment ? Should I try find a user manual before going over to test the machine ? George On 4/23/06, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi George, > > The only thing I've seen go wrong with this series is the logic > system. That too is easily fixed. They are a rugged and dependable line of > decks. Ensure that the deck functions, including RAMM and auto-azimuth > alignment. Some decks also have bad belts and pinch rollers. Check it out > and let us know how it turns out. I've had 7 decks of this series, but none > had a cap problem. Assuming that they had been reasonably taken care of, > they should be in fine condition. > > Bala > 79Labs > > george valkov wrote: > > I am considering byiung a 682ZX. It's one of the few "landmark" Naks > I've never owned, actually I've never had any of the 6xx series. What > should I look out for, what tends to go wrong, what can I test easily > without any equipment and without opening up the deck ? > > Any practical first-hand advice would be more than welcome. > > Thanks, > George > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ________________________________ > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min > with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Apr 23 18:32:37 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:32:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license In-Reply-To: <444B7785.3050307@rcn.com> References: <444AC40F.10104@yahoo.ca> <444B7785.3050307@rcn.com> Message-ID: <444BAC25.6090907@yahoo.ca> The only problem is that you can't call them B, C, or S... Ron a écrit : > > What they state may -- or may not -- be relevant. > Obviously, trade mark rights and patents are two > different things, but the principle of the law is > the same. If their trade mark is a standard that > is a market requirement for successful selling of > a product, I suspect that they cannot withhold it. > > In the case under discussion, if the technology is > no longer protected, the product could incorporate > it, but without showing the Double-D logo or > mentioning the Dolby name. Since all buyers will > know that Dolby is built in (at a volume of 500, > that's easy to do), lacking the logo should have > no effect on sales. > > -- Ron > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> Dolby seems to state on their websitethat if you want the Dolby logo >> or name on a product, you need to ask them and pay royalty fees, even >> if there are no license fees requiered. (I think that, as an example, >> you can state Pro Logic-compatible even if you have no license since >> almost every matrixed formats are basically the same thing, but you >> have royalty fees to pay...) >> >> Tomas Larsson a écrit : >>> Well, the question is, The Dolby analog systems is more than 25 >>> years old, >>> hence no patent or anything. As far as I can see, one only need for the >>> license is if the DD symbol is used. >>> Asuming that we are not thinking of Dolbydigital aac ant the like. >>> >>> I'm pretty sure that all analog noice reducing systems, dolby B,C,S,dbX >>> Hicomm or whatever they were called, now is public domain. >>> >>> A patent is only valid for 25 years, license to use the symbol is >>> another >>> thing. >>> >>> With best regards >>> >>> Tomas Larsson >>> Sweden >>> >>> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Ron >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:08 PM >>>> To: NakTalk >>>> Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license >>>> >>>> >>>> I had a chance to drop the question on a legal guru. >>>> She hastened to state that this is not where her expertise lies >>>> (she teaches and write books on other stuff), but in her opinion, >>>> since Dolby's technology may be considered a de-facto standard, >>>> they should grant a license (or can be made to do so by a judge, at >>>> considerable cost to them). Since she is not an expert, she offered >>>> to run the question by a colleague who is. I said, don't bother, I >>>> was just checking, this was my thought as well. >>>> >>>> -- Ron > From lenaw at flash.net Sun Apr 23 18:58:03 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:58:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004701c666f7$1679bcb0$50c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Hi Doug: There is a guy in UK that is very good in servicing AIWA decks. I suppose to send him my AD-6900II to him for repair but unfortunately the shipping cost and custom issue hold me back. I will try to dig into my old emails to see whether I can be able to find his address. If my memory is correct he resides in Kent. Later. Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:22 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 Hello Paul If you do find someone able/prepared to repair your Aiwa, I would be very grateful if you could let me know as well. I also have a couple of Excelia's and have been unsuccessful in finding somewhere in the UK to service them. I have even asked B&W, but they informed me that they just concentrated on Nakamichi decks. Personally I think the top Aiwa's were pretty good decks and even came close to the middle range Naks. It would be a shame to see them reduced to doortsops by being unable to get them repaired/serviced, especially when the problem of getting Naks serviced/repaired has been solved. Thanks. Doug -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 23 April 2006 02:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to this, I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was sold in the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but they said the no longer had parts for the deck! A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this fault on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should try something similar with the Aiwa. I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? Regards Paul Carrington PS This will be my first Nak I have always been aware of their excellence but did not have the opportunity to get one and, in any case, the Aiwa worked very well....3 heads, adjustable bias etc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Sun Apr 23 19:06:03 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:06:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: <20060423155835.91292.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004801c666f8$34d8bde0$50c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Hi Bala: I agree with the AIWA sound but they are pain of an ass to service and parts are almost unavailable anywhere. The idler tyres of AIWA decks are the worst to replace. They seem to be designed not for service at all ( unlike the NAK ). I have an AIWA AD-6800 which is quite an impressive deck ( one of the few that has a record azimuth head adjustment on a 2-HEADS deck ), This damm thing has only one motor ( actually two but the second one's function has nothing to do with tape running functions at all ) so it has to reply on a lot of belts to do various functions. The tape counter by itself needs 4 different belts to work. I end up finding another broken machine and practice how to dis-assemble the transport to replace all the belts and salvage all the good parts for backup. It turns out to be a great learning experience though. The new AIWA may be better to service. My advice is to stay away from all AD series of AIWA decks unless you have to gut to fix them. Best Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 10:59 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 Hi Paul and Doug, The Excelias are wonderful machine, and when you let DBX kick in, they are wonderful sounding decks. Even without any NR, they give decks like the Nak 6xx series stiff competition. They are very simply designed, and hence easy to service. Let me know whats the problem - I can walk you guys through it. Regards Bala 79Labs Doug Locke wrote: Hello Paul If you do find someone able/prepared to repair your Aiwa, I would be very grateful if you could let me know as well. I also have a couple of Excelia's and have been unsuccessful in finding somewhere in the UK to service them. I have even asked B&W, but they informed me that they just concentrated on Nakamichi decks. Personally I think the top Aiwa's were pretty good decks and even came close to the middle range Naks. It would be a shame to see them reduced to doortsops by being unable to get them repaired/serviced, especially when the problem of getting Naks serviced/repaired has been solved. Thanks. Doug -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 23 April 2006 02:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to this, I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was sold in the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but they said the no longer had parts for the deck! A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this fault on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should try something similar with the Aiwa. I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? Regards Paul Carrington PS This will be my first Nak I have always been aware of their excellence but did not have the opportunity to get one and, in any case, the Aiwa worked very well....3 heads, adjustable bias etc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ New Yahoo! 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But there is an idler wheel which has to engage and drive the take up spool and this is not doing so altho it tries to ..... a belt drive would have been a better bet but I guess with the closed capstan arrangement they have, the object was to take up the tape without putting any stress on the capstan.... regards Paul Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Paul, > > The XK009 does not use the top motor for playback. When you remove > the front panel, you can see a another motor on the lower right hand > side. This one drives the take-up spool via a belt. Check if the belt > is good. You rewind/forward is still good I presume? > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > */Paul Carrington /* wrote: > > I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to > this, > I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was > sold in > the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. > Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. > I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but > they said the no longer had parts for the deck! > A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this > fault > on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should > try something similar with the Aiwa. > I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? > Regards > Paul Carrington > > PS This will be my first Nak I have always been aware of their > excellence but did not have the opportunity to get one and, in any > case, > the Aiwa worked very well....3 heads, adjustable bias etc > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC > > and save big. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ddino77 at earthlink.net Sun Apr 23 19:59:35 2006 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:59:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 Message-ID: <410-220064023175935783@earthlink.net> I totally agree. Even if the Aiwa's are mid-range Nak competitors, the flagship models leave little to be desired. Due to that experience of owning a pristine and fully operational XK-S9000 (absolutely gorgeous) and am also in the process of refurbing both a AD-6900 and AD-6900 II. The build quality is phenominal but as all else associated with 30 year old rubber it's time to do the dreaded belt change. Complicated engineering on these models is on par with the ZXL Nak series which makes them almost unservice-able due in no small part to spare parts and few tech shops willing to tackle the labor challenge. Hopefully the law of averages will leave me with at least one AD-6900 that wants to turn its flywheel. Once they are back home I will keep all three, meaning you won't see them for sale on flea bay unless they don't make it out of the operating room, in which case one will be parted out. Dan Dinhofer ddino77 at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. > [Original Message] > From: Doug Locke > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: 4/23/2006 3:34:49 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 > > Hello Paul > > If you do find someone able/prepared to repair your Aiwa, I would be very > grateful if you could let me know as well. I also have a couple of Excelia's > and have been unsuccessful in finding somewhere in the UK to service them. I > have even asked B&W, but they informed me that they just concentrated on > Nakamichi decks. Personally I think the top Aiwa's were pretty good decks > and even came close to the middle range Naks. It would be a shame to see > them reduced to doortsops by being unable to get them repaired/serviced, > especially when the problem of getting Naks serviced/repaired has been > solved. > > Thanks. > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Carrington > Sent: 23 April 2006 02:00 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 > > > I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to this, > I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was sold in > the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. > Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. > I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but > they said the no longer had parts for the deck! > A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this fault > on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should > try something similar with the Aiwa. > I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? > Regards > Paul Carrington > > PS This will be my first Nak I have always been aware of their > excellence but did not have the opportunity to get one and, in any case, > the Aiwa worked very well....3 heads, adjustable bias etc > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sun Apr 23 21:16:47 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:16:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c6670a$783968c0$99c5db40@CPQ16585250299> Doug: Try this website and contact this person. He might be able to service your AIWA. He is in Southampton, not Kent as I previously said. http://www.divdev.fsnek.co.uk Regards, Michael -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:22 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 Hello Paul If you do find someone able/prepared to repair your Aiwa, I would be very grateful if you could let me know as well. I also have a couple of Excelia's and have been unsuccessful in finding somewhere in the UK to service them. I have even asked B&W, but they informed me that they just concentrated on Nakamichi decks. Personally I think the top Aiwa's were pretty good decks and even came close to the middle range Naks. It would be a shame to see them reduced to doortsops by being unable to get them repaired/serviced, especially when the problem of getting Naks serviced/repaired has been solved. Thanks. Doug -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 23 April 2006 02:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to this, I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was sold in the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but they said the no longer had parts for the deck! A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this fault on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should try something similar with the Aiwa. I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? Regards Paul Carrington PS This will be my first Nak I have always been aware of their excellence but did not have the opportunity to get one and, in any case, the Aiwa worked very well....3 heads, adjustable bias etc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sun Apr 23 21:49:32 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:49:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: <000601c6670a$783968c0$99c5db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: Thanks Michael, much appreciated, will see what he says. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of lenaw Sent: 23 April 2006 20:17 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 Doug: Try this website and contact this person. He might be able to service your AIWA. He is in Southampton, not Kent as I previously said. http://www.divdev.fsnek.co.uk Regards, Michael - From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sun Apr 23 21:49:34 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:49:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: <20060423155835.91292.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Bala, thats very kind of you. At the moment the decks work pretty well, but have not been serviced for several years now. I just get the feeling that I can hear the slightest flutter with long piano notes etc. and thought it could be advisable to get the decks serviced now before it became totally impossible. Best regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 23 April 2006 16:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 Hi Paul and Doug, The Excelias are wonderful machine, and when you let DBX kick in, they are wonderful sounding decks. Even without any NR, they give decks like the Nak 6xx series stiff competition. They are very simply designed, and hence easy to service. Let me know whats the problem - I can walk you guys through it. Regards Bala 79Labs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Apr 23 23:33:02 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:33:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt Message-ID: <444BF28E.7090601@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, Tonight I heard a continuing 'clicking' noise on my Dragon and a dull playback sound... After taking out the tape I could stil hear a motor running. After opening the case it appeared to be the auto azimuth unit motor that was running but not taking the belt with it... SO I suppose the belt is loose and needs to be replaced. But the problem is that the service manual doesn't list it as a part, it only lists the whole AA unit! Is there a PRB replacement belt that anyone knows of? And while checking the 680ZX service manual I noticed the part numbers of the AA unit are different where I always believed they would be identical.. any ideas on this? Wouter From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Apr 23 23:46:36 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt In-Reply-To: <444BF28E.7090601@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060423214636.82656.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter This belt can be replaced any generic belt - Once I replaced something sim ilar from bulk belt replacement pack. I also used a regular rubber belts - used for office use as a temporary replacement and it worked till I replaced it with one matching from belt pack for cassette deck. wish you all the best in getting a quick replacement kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Everyone, Tonight I heard a continuing 'clicking' noise on my Dragon and a dull playback sound... After taking out the tape I could stil hear a motor running. After opening the case it appeared to be the auto azimuth unit motor that was running but not taking the belt with it... SO I suppose the belt is loose and needs to be replaced. But the problem is that the service manual doesn't list it as a part, it only lists the whole AA unit! Is there a PRB replacement belt that anyone knows of? And while checking the 680ZX service manual I noticed the part numbers of the AA unit are different where I always believed they would be identical.. any ideas on this? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sun Apr 23 22:34:24 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:34:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: <000601c6670a$783968c0$99c5db40@CPQ16585250299> References: <000601c6670a$783968c0$99c5db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: <444BE4D0.7000900@caribsurf.com> Thanks Michael. I tried but cannot access him.... can you check the URL you gave? Thanks Paul lenaw wrote: >Doug: > Try this website and contact this person. He might be able to service >your AIWA. He is in Southampton, not Kent as I previously said. > >http://www.divdev.fsnek.co.uk > > >Regards, >Michael > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Doug Locke >Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:22 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 > >Hello Paul > >If you do find someone able/prepared to repair your Aiwa, I would be very >grateful if you could let me know as well. I also have a couple of Excelia's >and have been unsuccessful in finding somewhere in the UK to service them. I >have even asked B&W, but they informed me that they just concentrated on >Nakamichi decks. Personally I think the top Aiwa's were pretty good decks >and even came close to the middle range Naks. It would be a shame to see >them reduced to doortsops by being unable to get them repaired/serviced, >especially when the problem of getting Naks serviced/repaired has been >solved. > >Thanks. >Doug > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Paul Carrington >Sent: 23 April 2006 02:00 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 > > >I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to this, >I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was sold in >the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. >Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. >I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but >they said the no longer had parts for the deck! >A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this fault >on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should >try something similar with the Aiwa. >I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? >Regards >Paul Carrington > >PS This will be my first Nak I have always been aware of their >excellence but did not have the opportunity to get one and, in any case, >the Aiwa worked very well....3 heads, adjustable bias etc > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sun Apr 23 22:43:29 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:43:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: <000601c6670a$783968c0$99c5db40@CPQ16585250299> References: <000601c6670a$783968c0$99c5db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: <444BE6F1.5030004@caribsurf.com> Many many years ago, soon after I bought the deck I had to take it to the UK for service as it would chew up one in ten tapes. It was within warranty and the Aiwa service dept at Heathrow Summit Centre, Skyport Dr, West Drayton, MDX UB7 6LY replaced the mechnics after which it worked okay for many years. Their number was 208 897 2425. Combined Precision Components PLC, 01772 654455 Faraday Dr, Fulwood, Preston Lancs, PR2 4PP were the retail outlet for Aiwa parts but they could not assist with the parts I wanted when I tried a couple of months ago.....(they are a branch of Farnell ..... Regards Paul lenaw wrote: >Doug: > Try this website and contact this person. He might be able to service >your AIWA. He is in Southampton, not Kent as I previously said. > >http://www.divdev.fsnek.co.uk > > >Regards, >Michael > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Doug Locke >Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:22 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 > >Hello Paul > >If you do find someone able/prepared to repair your Aiwa, I would be very >grateful if you could let me know as well. I also have a couple of Excelia's >and have been unsuccessful in finding somewhere in the UK to service them. I >have even asked B&W, but they informed me that they just concentrated on >Nakamichi decks. Personally I think the top Aiwa's were pretty good decks >and even came close to the middle range Naks. It would be a shame to see >them reduced to doortsops by being unable to get them repaired/serviced, >especially when the problem of getting Naks serviced/repaired has been >solved. > >Thanks. >Doug > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Paul Carrington >Sent: 23 April 2006 02:00 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 > > >I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to this, >I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was sold in >the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. >Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. >I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but >they said the no longer had parts for the deck! >A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this fault >on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should >try something similar with the Aiwa. >I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? >Regards >Paul Carrington > >PS This will be my first Nak I have always been aware of their >excellence but did not have the opportunity to get one and, in any case, >the Aiwa worked very well....3 heads, adjustable bias etc > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Apr 23 23:55:35 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:55:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license In-Reply-To: <444BAC25.6090907@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Then they might be called 2, 3 and 19, the numerical numbers of B, B and S Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 23 April 2006 17:33 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license The only problem is that you can't call them B, C, or S... From lenaw at flash.net Mon Apr 24 00:14:48 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:14:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: <444BE4D0.7000900@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <002e01c66723$566bf5f0$b5c5db40@CPQ16585250299> Hi Paul: Sorry, typo. Should be: http://www.divdev.fsnet.co.uk I copy his address as below in case you still cannot access the web. Diverse Devices 66 Ivy Road St Denys Southampton Hampshire SO17 2JN England He lists two email address: (1) diverse9 at tcp.co.uk (2) diverse at divdev.fsnet.co.uk Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 3:34 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 Thanks Michael. I tried but cannot access him.... can you check the URL you gave? Thanks Paul lenaw wrote: >Doug: > Try this website and contact this person. He might be able to service >your AIWA. He is in Southampton, not Kent as I previously said. > >http://www.divdev.fsnek.co.uk > > >Regards, >Michael > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Doug Locke >Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:22 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 > >Hello Paul > >If you do find someone able/prepared to repair your Aiwa, I would be very >grateful if you could let me know as well. I also have a couple of Excelia's >and have been unsuccessful in finding somewhere in the UK to service them. I >have even asked B&W, but they informed me that they just concentrated on >Nakamichi decks. Personally I think the top Aiwa's were pretty good decks >and even came close to the middle range Naks. It would be a shame to see >them reduced to doortsops by being unable to get them repaired/serviced, >especially when the problem of getting Naks serviced/repaired has been >solved. > >Thanks. >Doug > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Paul Carrington >Sent: 23 April 2006 02:00 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 > > >I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to this, >I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was sold in >the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. >Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. >I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but >they said the no longer had parts for the deck! >A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this fault >on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should >try something similar with the Aiwa. >I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? >Regards >Paul Carrington > >PS This will be my first Nak I have always been aware of their >excellence but did not have the opportunity to get one and, in any case, >the Aiwa worked very well....3 heads, adjustable bias etc > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 24 00:21:22 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:21:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I meant numerical numbers of B, C and S, of course! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 23 April 2006 22:56 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license Then they might be called 2, 3 and 19, the numerical numbers of B, B and S Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 23 April 2006 17:33 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license The only problem is that you can't call them B, C, or S... From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 24 02:53:38 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060424005338.13703.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doug, Thats a very good idea. Get them serviced quickly. Also, check with them if they have any mods for the transistors which run hot. One of our members had cut up a hole to put in a small fan. Regards Bala 79Labs Doug Locke wrote: Hello Bala, thats very kind of you. At the moment the decks work pretty well, but have not been serviced for several years now. I just get the feeling that I can hear the slightest flutter with long piano notes etc. and thought it could be advisable to get the decks serviced now before it became totally impossible. Best regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 23 April 2006 16:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 Hi Paul and Doug, The Excelias are wonderful machine, and when you let DBX kick in, they are wonderful sounding decks. Even without any NR, they give decks like the Nak 6xx series stiff competition. They are very simply designed, and hence easy to service. Let me know whats the problem - I can walk you guys through it. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 24 03:19:37 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt In-Reply-To: <444BF28E.7090601@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060424011937.24463.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter, While the transport on the 680ZX and Dragon seems to be the same, they have quite a number of differences. I think they may have resized the AAA unit and hence the change in part number. Even the pinch rollers assemblies are slightly different on both units. I have so far seen four variations on the classic mechanisms. Bala 79Labs Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Everyone, Tonight I heard a continuing 'clicking' noise on my Dragon and a dull playback sound... After taking out the tape I could stil hear a motor running. After opening the case it appeared to be the auto azimuth unit motor that was running but not taking the belt with it... SO I suppose the belt is loose and needs to be replaced. But the problem is that the service manual doesn't list it as a part, it only lists the whole AA unit! Is there a PRB replacement belt that anyone knows of? And while checking the 680ZX service manual I noticed the part numbers of the AA unit are different where I always believed they would be identical.. any ideas on this? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 24 04:23:01 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX In-Reply-To: <518b7b10604230911g5765bb7ahfda4c6fff9c35d78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060424022301.47280.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi George, Many of the functions are similiar to the 680ZX, for which there is the user manual at Tomas's site (www.naks.mine.nu) . The RAMM may be a little harder to test since the cassette may not be recorded to the requirements of the RAMM system. Not to say that its the most accurate thing, but its good to have everything working. If the FL indicator flickers every so slightly, thats ok because it can be adjusted. Regards Bala 79Labs george valkov wrote: Hi Bala, Umm, so how exactly do I check the RAMM and Auto-azimuth alignment ? Should I try find a user manual before going over to test the machine ? George On 4/23/06, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi George, > > The only thing I've seen go wrong with this series is the logic > system. That too is easily fixed. They are a rugged and dependable line of > decks. Ensure that the deck functions, including RAMM and auto-azimuth > alignment. Some decks also have bad belts and pinch rollers. Check it out > and let us know how it turns out. I've had 7 decks of this series, but none > had a cap problem. Assuming that they had been reasonably taken care of, > they should be in fine condition. > > Bala > 79Labs > > george valkov wrote: > > I am considering byiung a 682ZX. It's one of the few "landmark" Naks > I've never owned, actually I've never had any of the 6xx series. What > should I look out for, what tends to go wrong, what can I test easily > without any equipment and without opening up the deck ? > > Any practical first-hand advice would be more than welcome. > > Thanks, > George > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ________________________________ > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2?min > with Yahoo! 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Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 24 04:40:30 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200ii help In-Reply-To: <042220062208.23788.444AA96D000D547300005CEC22058864420CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060424024030.25223.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You do not need to wait the 5 minutes after applying power if you enter the service code and then the unlock code. The service code is 41113. Scott J. --- ws407c at comcast.net wrote: > Thank's Tim for your reply. > When I power up the deck , I hear the transport run for about 3 > seconds and then it is totally dead , no lights but on and > consuming current. > > I wait the 5 minutes and press the code and nothing. Is it normal > for the deck do not display anything until the code is accepted ? > Do I need to hold down another button or press something else ? > > There are 4 wires , red/orange/yellow which are fused and a brown > which is unfused. I use the case for the negative and red/ora/yel > for positive with brown not connected. > > possibly I do not have the wiring right or it is in need of repair. > > thanks for your time, > Dave > > > > > Once it is connected to power there is about a 5 minute delay > before it will accept the security code. You simply have to wait. > If it stays connected to power, acceptance is immediate, but if the > power to the yellow wire (which should be connected to a 'battery' > supply) is interrupted there will be another 5 minute waiting > period once power is restored. > > ws407c at comcast.net wrote: > > I recently purchased a TD-1200ii mobile deck without the owners > manual and need info on how to input the security code. Is there a > trick to it or just hit the keys when powered up ? > > > > For some reason my AOL e-mail is not working with naktalk and I > had to re register with my comcast account . anybody else have this > problem ? > > > > Thank's > > > > Dave > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From greynolds at newsguy.com Mon Apr 24 01:30:47 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:30:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license References: Message-ID: <00b301c6672d$f35a79e0$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> Or 65, 66, and 83 - the ASCII character values of B, C, and S :). Actually, so long as Dolby isn't referenced, it might be OK to call them NRB, NRC, and NRS or something like that. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" > Then they might be called 2, 3 and 19, the numerical numbers of B, B and S > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: Antoine Deschênes > > The only problem is that you can't call them B, C, or S... From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Apr 24 03:59:55 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:59:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200ii help In-Reply-To: <042220062208.23788.444AA96D000D547300005CEC22058864420CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> References: <042220062208.23788.444AA96D000D547300005CEC22058864420CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <444C311B.50004@cox.net> I finally got around to digging out the TD1200. It's a 1200II also, but the wires long ago lost their labels, so I can't say for sure which functions the brown and orange wires serve, but I'm practically positive that one is an enable for a power antenna and the other is an enable for a power amplifier. Neither is necessary for testing the unit, just hook both the red and yellow wires to 12V and the chassis to common and you should be good to go. I can't find a suitable 12V power supply at the moment to test mine, but I should be able to in the next day or two, so if I discover anything different from what I've told you I'll get back to you. Tim ws407c at comcast.net wrote: > Thank's Tim for your reply. > When I power up the deck , I hear the transport run for about 3 seconds and then it is totally dead , no lights but on and consuming current. > > I wait the 5 minutes and press the code and nothing. Is it normal for the deck do not display anything until the code is accepted ? Do I need to hold down another button or press something else ? > > There are 4 wires , red/orange/yellow which are fused and a brown which is unfused. I use the case for the negative and red/ora/yel for positive with brown not connected. > > possibly I do not have the wiring right or it is in need of repair. > > thanks for your time, > Dave > > > > > Once it is connected to power there is about a 5 minute delay before it will accept the security code. You simply have to wait. If it stays connected to power, acceptance is immediate, but if the power to the yellow wire (which should be connected to a 'battery' supply) is interrupted there will be another 5 minute waiting period once power is restored. > > ws407c at comcast.net wrote: > >> I recently purchased a TD-1200ii mobile deck without the owners manual and need info on how to input the security code. Is there a trick to it or just hit the keys when powered up ? >> >> For some reason my AOL e-mail is not working with naktalk and I had to re register with my comcast account . anybody else have this problem ? >> >> Thank's >> >> Dave >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ws407c at comcast.net Mon Apr 24 04:54:26 2006 From: ws407c at comcast.net (ws407c at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:54:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200ii help Message-ID: <042420060254.12354.444C3DE200015CA60000304222064244130CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> Thank's Scott ! That's great. I have been test running this deck on my bench to be sure it is OK before I install it in the mobile. My original problem was a high resistance contact point on one of the fuses. Since cleaning the contacts , no problems. This deck really does sound good and I am glad to get one. The Service code makes for a quick power up, the 5 minute wait thing 'was' a pain. Dave ---------------- You do not need to wait the 5 minutes after applying power if you enter the service code and then the unlock code. The service code is 41113. Scott J. From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Mon Apr 24 07:07:13 2006 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:07:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Where to buy PRB Belts Message-ID: <200604240107_MC3-1-BD7D-56E5@compuserve.com> Hi Dean, I don't have the specifications for the original belt, I just compared the width and the thickness of the old original belt and the new PRB replacement. The FRM9.2 is given as the Nakamichi (OC08096C) capstan drive belt replacement. I am not sure how to measure the length, but the old original belt is probably loose now. Width = 5mm = 0.19685 inches Thickness = 0.45mm = 0.0177 inches Hope this helps, _Fuad > Hi Faud: If you could list size wanted In MM and Inches: Inner length x Thickness x Width i.e. 7.1x.035x.16 inches Also an acceptable range for each measurement. I agree the thickness is key but remember we are not dealing with the same composite either Regards, Dean In a message dated 4/22/2006 7:11:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 75541.100 at compuserve.com writes: Nak 700zxe thickness: original 0.45mm, FRM9.2 0.75mm width: original 5mm, FRM9.2 5.4mm Akai thickness: original (MB-336026) 0.45mm, FRM9.0 0.8mm width: original 5.1mm, FRM9.0 5.2mm < From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 24 07:19:51 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:19:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt Message-ID: Hi; to all of you! Reading the Wouter problem, to my knowledge Dragon have ONLY two belts, the Cams one (Which I need to change..when I will feel well!), and the second one that I named "Counter Belt"...exist another one...that I don't recall? Cheers, ALEX! >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:33:02 +0200 > >Hi Everyone, > >Tonight I heard a continuing 'clicking' noise on my Dragon and a dull >playback sound... >After taking out the tape I could stil hear a motor running. >After opening the case it appeared to be the auto azimuth unit motor that >was running but not taking the belt with it... SO I suppose the belt is >loose and needs to be replaced. >But the problem is that the service manual doesn't list it as a part, it >only lists the whole AA unit! >Is there a PRB replacement belt that anyone knows of? > >And while checking the 680ZX service manual I noticed the part numbers of >the AA unit are different where I always believed they would be identical.. >any ideas on this? > >Wouter >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 24 07:22:20 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:22:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt Message-ID: Hi Kannan, Which & where is such belt...the "Thin/Rounded" one as I named "Counter Belt"? Cheers, ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:46:36 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Wouter > This belt can be replaced any generic belt - Once I replaced something >sim ilar from bulk belt replacement pack. I also used a regular rubber >belts - used for office use as a temporary replacement and it worked till I >replaced it with one matching from belt pack for cassette deck. > wish you all the best in getting a quick replacement > kannan > >Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi Everyone, > >Tonight I heard a continuing 'clicking' noise on my Dragon and a dull >playback sound... >After taking out the tape I could stil hear a motor running. >After opening the case it appeared to be the auto azimuth unit motor >that was running but not taking the belt with it... SO I suppose the >belt is loose and needs to be replaced. >But the problem is that the service manual doesn't list it as a part, it >only lists the whole AA unit! >Is there a PRB replacement belt that anyone knows of? > >And while checking the 680ZX service manual I noticed the part numbers >of the AA unit are different where I always believed they would be >identical.. any ideas on this? > >Wouter >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >Blab-away for as little as 1�/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! >Messenger with Voice. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 24 10:45:57 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:45:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24446.212.78.164.66.1145868357.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Yes Alex, it's sad but true.... There is a 3rd belt inside the AutoAzimuth unit... Wouter > Hi; to all of you! > > Reading the Wouter problem, to my knowledge Dragon have ONLY two belts, > the > Cams one (Which I need to change..when I will feel well!), and the second > one that I named "Counter Belt"...exist another one...that I don't recall? > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 24 11:34:38 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:34:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt Message-ID: Oh my God!!!! so Wouter...to change such belt...I think that is NOT se easy as changing my today "Slipping" cams belt...as also to change the "Counter belt'...as I named is necessary to dismantle a lot...Wow!!! Thank you so much; Wouter. ALEX! >From: "Wouter Heijke" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:45:57 +0200 (CEST) > >Yes Alex, it's sad but true.... There is a 3rd belt inside the AutoAzimuth >unit... > >Wouter > > > Hi; to all of you! > > > > Reading the Wouter problem, to my knowledge Dragon have ONLY two belts, > > the > > Cams one (Which I need to change..when I will feel well!), and the >second > > one that I named "Counter Belt"...exist another one...that I don't >recall? > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Apr 24 13:10:12 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:10:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 In-Reply-To: <410-220064023175935783@earthlink.net> References: <410-220064023175935783@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <444CB214.8060903@snet.net> The Aiwa AD-6900II is a stunning deck that is capable of making excellent recordings. I spent a great deal of time getting the transport working again (I had to put it away several times and come back to it to keep from going nuts). Even so, it was worth it in the end... especially the meters with two sets of needles (peak AND vu). Ed Dan Dinhofer wrote: > I totally agree. Even if the Aiwa's are mid-range Nak competitors, the > flagship models leave little > > to be desired. Due to that experience of owning a pristine and fully > operational XK-S9000 > > (absolutely gorgeous) and am also in the process of refurbing both a > AD-6900 and AD-6900 II. The build quality > > is phenominal but as all else associated with 30 year old rubber it's > time to do the dreaded belt change. Complicated > > engineering on these models is on par with the ZXL Nak series which > makes them almost unservice-able > > due in no small part to spare parts and few tech shops willing to > tackle the labor challenge. Hopefully > > the law of averages will leave me with at least one AD-6900 that wants > to turn its flywheel. Once they > > are back home I will keep all three, meaning you won't see them for > sale on flea bay unless they don't make > > it out of the operating room, in which case one will be parted out. > > Dan Dinhofer > > ddino77 at earthlink.net > > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Doug Locke > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Date: 4/23/2006 3:34:49 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 > > > > > > Hello Paul > > > > > > If you do find someone able/prepared to repair your Aiwa, I would be > very > > > grateful if you could let me know as well. I also have a couple of > Excelia's > > > and have been unsuccessful in finding somewhere in the UK to service > them. I > > > have even asked B&W, but they informed me that they just concentrated on > > > Nakamichi decks. Personally I think the top Aiwa's were pretty good > decks > > > and even came close to the middle range Naks. It would be a shame to see > > > them reduced to doortsops by being unable to get them repaired/serviced, > > > especially when the problem of getting Naks serviced/repaired has been > > > solved. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Doug > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Paul Carrington > > > Sent: 23 April 2006 02:00 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 AIWA XK009 > > > > > > > > > I have recently bought a BX300 and am awaiting delivery. Prior to this, > > > I have been using the Aiwa Excelia XK009 which I dont believe was > sold in > > > the USA but was available in Europe. It was a very good deck. > > > Unfortunately, the playback ceased due to the take-up spool and idler. > > > I tried to get replacements from Aiwa (UK, Europe, HK and Japan) but > > > they said the no longer had parts for the deck! > > > A number of Nak users have changed tyres in order to correct this fault > > > on the Naks so I hve been thinking that perhaps I should > > > try something similar with the Aiwa. > > > I wonder, though, if any of the UK members have parts for the 009? > > > Regards > > > Paul Carrington > > > > > > PS This will be my first Nak I have always been aware of their > > > excellence but did not have the opportunity to get one and, in any case, > > > the Aiwa worked very well....3 heads, adjustable bias etc > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Apr 24 13:23:29 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:23:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tapes in London UK Message-ID: <518b7b10604240423n28969700o87eb6a4db3cfc985@mail.gmail.com> What were the details of the shop near East Aldgate tube station which carries a decent stock of blank cassettes ? Thanks, George From aurganci at servisnet.com.tr Mon Apr 24 13:27:39 2006 From: aurganci at servisnet.com.tr (Adnan URGANCI) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:27:39 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 spare parts Message-ID: <2AC5127C438F2F4F9639A7F8A77E8E67D6677D@servisnet.com.tr> I am looking for Belts, pinch roller, capstan dc motors for Nakamichi 1000. (spare parts of Nakamichi 1000). Would you informe me How can I have these spare parts? Regards Adnan -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content and is believed to be clean. From luis at peromarta.org Mon Apr 24 13:44:23 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:44:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550 bias calibration Message-ID: <444CBA17.7040800@peromarta.org> Hi, This one probable goes out for Kermit ;) How should I adjust bias in the 550 ? Service manual sais use 400Hz test tone and adjust bias pots for maximum output, however, I did use 15KHz test tone, intput to -20db and adjust bias to obtain same level at playback. These pots are no too esy to access, so I guess I will calibrate for TDK SA, and leave it like that. Is this the right procedure? Best rgds, LP. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3305 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 24 14:32:39 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:32:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8703.212.78.164.66.1145881959.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Alex, I'll see if I can make some pictures when I do mine... At least I'll put my findings here on Naktalk. Wouter > Oh my God!!!! so Wouter...to change such belt...I think that is NOT se > easy > as changing my today "Slipping" cams belt...as also to change the "Counter > belt'...as I named is necessary to dismantle a lot...Wow!!! > > Thank you so much; Wouter. > > ALEX! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 24 14:33:42 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:33:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 spare parts Message-ID: Hi Adnan! I can sell you my first Nak deck that I acquired in late 1978 Tri Tracer 1000/ll as it....for a mere $:500.00 + of course you pay the shipment from where I live in Israel to your country! I have the original Service manual, Instructions some belts...you will received all that I have for it! You payment MUST be trough Western Union way! Be in contact with me if you decided, Sincerely, ALEX! >From: Adnan URGANCI >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 spare parts >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:27:39 +0300 > >I am looking for Belts, pinch roller, capstan dc motors for Nakamichi 1000. >(spare parts of Nakamichi 1000). Would you informe me How can I have these >spare parts? > >Regards > > >Adnan > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content and is believed to be clean. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 24 14:39:12 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:39:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt Message-ID: Our Lord will bless you for ever...Wouter, please; try it very hard, as sharp & big that you can, my Hotamail US mail allow me 10mb capacity on photos! Thank you so much in advance! Good Luck! ALEX! >From: "Wouter Heijke" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:32:39 +0200 (CEST) > >Alex, >I'll see if I can make some pictures when I do mine... At least I'll put >my findings here on Naktalk. > >Wouter > > > Oh my God!!!! so Wouter...to change such belt...I think that is NOT se > > easy > > as changing my today "Slipping" cams belt...as also to change the >"Counter > > belt'...as I named is necessary to dismantle a lot...Wow!!! > > > > Thank you so much; Wouter. > > > > ALEX! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Mon Apr 24 16:16:37 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:16:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dbx fun In-Reply-To: <4447071D.8040101@fitz-simons.com> References: <4447071D.8040101@fitz-simons.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060424100355.049bdf08@psulias.psu.edu> Well finally got a chance to play with dbx this week. Got a nice Yammy KX1200 from Gerald, and a nice dbx 228 (NR + Dynamic Range expander) from another gent and hooked it up to my CR-5. First recording was a rerelease of Stevie Wonder's "Songs In the Key of Life" which was a nice, clean, dynamic recording. Recorded it on the Yamaha, which will be my main recording deck, pushed the record level up to +16, the recommended setting. Listening through my Klipsch 2.1 system on my computer the was literally no discernable difference between Source and Tape. Impressive, but even a top notch 2.1 system is no match for the full range Klipsch Fortes in the main room. Take the finished product out to the CR-5 in and the Klipsch full range speakers. Fiddle a bit getting the dbx unit set right. Hit play... leader... no hiss at all... impressive.... sound was terrific! Clean, clear, sharp, full sound. The only hiss was from the source material. Took a little harder material, Alice Cooper and At the Drive In, great results there as well. The Dynamic Range expander is kind of fun too. Broke out some old recordings from the late 50s/60s (vinyl Mancini and Herb Alpert, cassette Buddy Rich) and fiddle around with the thing. Really works pretty well although there is some audible breathing, but definitely livelier than the original. I think DBX will be a permanent addition to the old audio rack. Too bad DBX didn't unseat Dolby, it's a far superior product IMO. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 24 17:55:23 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:55:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX In-Reply-To: <20060424022301.47280.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060424022301.47280.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444CF4EB.1090400@xs4all.nl> The 682ZX uses a totally different FL-display. To me it is far less nice as the ones used in 680/680ZX/1000ZXL, the whole FL unit is also much smaller if you take a look on the inside and uses less segments for it's display. Wouter Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi George, > > Many of the functions are similiar to the 680ZX, for which > there is the user manual at Tomas's site (www.naks.mine.nu > ) . The RAMM may be a little harder to test > since the cassette may not be recorded to the requirements of the RAMM > system. Not to say that its the most accurate thing, but its good to > have everything working. If the FL indicator flickers every so > slightly, thats ok because it can be adjusted. > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 24 18:29:03 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX In-Reply-To: <444CF4EB.1090400@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060424162903.3780.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter, Indeed the FL display is scaled down, but the flicker adjust is the same. After working with the 1000ZXL, the display on the 68x series looks miniature! The 1000ZXL uses a more complex circuit to get the results. I really wish they had used the same system with the Dragon. The orange lights are not comfortable to look at for long hours. Regards Bala 79Labs Wouter Heijke wrote: The 682ZX uses a totally different FL-display. To me it is far less nice as the ones used in 680/680ZX/1000ZXL, the whole FL unit is also much smaller if you take a look on the inside and uses less segments for it's display. Wouter Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi George, > > Many of the functions are similiar to the 680ZX, for which > there is the user manual at Tomas's site (www.naks.mine.nu > ) . The RAMM may be a little harder to test > since the cassette may not be recorded to the requirements of the RAMM > system. Not to say that its the most accurate thing, but its good to > have everything working. If the FL indicator flickers every so > slightly, thats ok because it can be adjusted. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Apr 24 19:02:57 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:02:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX In-Reply-To: <20060424162903.3780.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <444CF4EB.1090400@xs4all.nl> <20060424162903.3780.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10604241002r5dc4600ame585c5f9ae0b80@mail.gmail.com> Do I understand correctly that compared to the 680ZX the 682ZX has also Bias calibration with a 15 kHz test tone ? George On 4/24/06, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Wouter, > > Indeed the FL display is scaled down, but the flicker adjust is the > same. After working with the 1000ZXL, the display on the 68x series looks > miniature! The 1000ZXL uses a more complex circuit to get the results. > > I really wish they had used the same system with the Dragon. The orange > lights are not comfortable to look at for long hours. > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > The 682ZX uses a totally different FL-display. > To me it is far less nice as the ones used in 680/680ZX/1000ZXL, the > whole FL unit is also much smaller if you take a look on the inside and > uses less segments for it's display. > > Wouter > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi George, > > > > Many of the functions are similiar to the 680ZX, for which > > there is the user manual at Tomas's site (www.naks.mine.nu > > ) . The RAMM may be a little harder to test > > since the cassette may not be recorded to the requirements of the RAMM > > system. Not to say that its the most accurate thing, but its good to > > have everything working. If the FL indicator flickers every so > > slightly, thats ok because it can be adjusted. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ________________________________ > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! > Messenger with Voice. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 24 19:48:19 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:48:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444D0F63.70304@xs4all.nl> I'm happy to report that I managed to get the AA to work again by slightly moving the AA wheel a bit. I suppose it got stuck at the end of it's range while playing a tape yesterday. Still the belt doesn't seem very tight fitted but as I understand Kannan well that isn't such a big deal. Wouter Alex Cozac wrote: > Our Lord will bless you for ever...Wouter, please; try it very hard, > as sharp & big that you can, my Hotamail US mail allow me 10mb > capacity on photos! > > Thank you so much in advance! > > Good Luck! > > ALEX! > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 24 20:16:43 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:16:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt Message-ID: Wait...wait..wait...Wouter, if I recall well...when you turn off the unit...the NAAC...centered himself, or I'm wrong? Could be that the white nylon gears, needed "Oiled" a little bit? I spray extremely lightly with a "Silicon" based spray...however if I remember well, Ron or Kannan, wrote me that what I do it was completely unnecessary. However till today since I do it...works extremely well...yes, I must change the cam belt...soon i will do it! Confirm if I'm correct? Cheers, ALEX! >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:48:19 +0200 > > >I'm happy to report that I managed to get the AA to work again by slightly >moving the AA wheel a bit. >I suppose it got stuck at the end of it's range while playing a tape >yesterday. >Still the belt doesn't seem very tight fitted but as I understand Kannan >well that isn't such a big deal. > >Wouter > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Our Lord will bless you for ever...Wouter, please; try it very hard, as >>sharp & big that you can, my Hotamail US mail allow me 10mb capacity on >>photos! >> >>Thank you so much in advance! >> >>Good Luck! >> >>ALEX! >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From N4229K at aol.com Mon Apr 24 21:38:00 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:38:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Where to buy PRB Belts Message-ID: <3a7.196c5d8.317e8318@aol.com> I have a new Nak belt for my ZXE if I can find it I will measure it Dean PS do you want me to buy the PRB belts for you? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Mon Apr 24 22:12:25 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:12:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200ii help In-Reply-To: <444C311B.50004@cox.net> References: <042220062208.23788.444AA96D000D547300005CEC22058864420CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> <444C311B.50004@cox.net> Message-ID: <87B0F15B-8B48-4D4C-A5F0-FD68871DCAB7@comcast.net> Tim I am not in any hurry. I just bought a Focal JM Labs subwoofer that has the tightest, snappiest bass and is specced to go down to 35 Hz. It is turning out to be a great system Best, Brien On Apr 23, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Tim Barrett wrote: > I finally got around to digging out the TD1200. It's a 1200II > also, but the wires long ago lost their labels, so I can't say for > sure which functions the brown and orange wires serve, but I'm > practically positive that one is an enable for a power antenna and > the other is an enable for a power amplifier. Neither is necessary > for testing the unit, just hook both the red and yellow wires to > 12V and the chassis to common and you should be good to go. > > I can't find a suitable 12V power supply at the moment to test > mine, but I should be able to in the next day or two, so if I > discover anything different from what I've told you I'll get back > to you. > > Tim > > ws407c at comcast.net wrote: >> Thank's Tim for your reply. >> When I power up the deck , I hear the transport run for about 3 >> seconds and then it is totally dead , no lights but on and >> consuming current. >> >> I wait the 5 minutes and press the code and nothing. Is it normal >> for the deck do not display anything until the code is accepted ? >> Do I need to hold down another button or press something else ? >> >> There are 4 wires , red/orange/yellow which are fused and a brown >> which is unfused. I use the case for the negative and red/ora/yel >> for positive with brown not connected. >> >> possibly I do not have the wiring right or it is in need of repair. >> >> thanks for your time, >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> Once it is connected to power there is about a 5 minute delay >> before it will accept the security code. You simply have to >> wait. If it stays connected to power, acceptance is immediate, >> but if the power to the yellow wire (which should be connected to >> a 'battery' supply) is interrupted there will be another 5 minute >> waiting period once power is restored. >> >> ws407c at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> I recently purchased a TD-1200ii mobile deck without the owners >>> manual and need info on how to input the security code. Is there >>> a trick to it or just hit the keys when powered up ? >>> >>> For some reason my AOL e-mail is not working with naktalk and I >>> had to re register with my comcast account . anybody else have >>> this problem ? >>> >>> Thank's >>> >>> Dave >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 02:49:34 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt In-Reply-To: <444D0F63.70304@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060425004934.99640.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thats great news! It seems exactly like how I got one of my 1000ZXL's AA system to work. The light flashed, but the motor refused to respond. I gave the white motor spindle a little push and everything worked. Its now working smoothly. I suspect either because of some previous operation or human intervention, the nut must have gone to the far side and got stuck. Wouter, while you are at it, check if the system inside has dust on it. Regards Bala 79Labs Wouter Heijke wrote: I'm happy to report that I managed to get the AA to work again by slightly moving the AA wheel a bit. I suppose it got stuck at the end of it's range while playing a tape yesterday. Still the belt doesn't seem very tight fitted but as I understand Kannan well that isn't such a big deal. Wouter Alex Cozac wrote: > Our Lord will bless you for ever...Wouter, please; try it very hard, > as sharp & big that you can, my Hotamail US mail allow me 10mb > capacity on photos! > > Thank you so much in advance! > > Good Luck! > > ALEX! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 03:08:53 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX In-Reply-To: <518b7b10604241002r5dc4600ame585c5f9ae0b80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060425010853.86719.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi George, Here are the differences off my mind : 1. No Half Speed 2. Auto Level Cal 3. Bias Cal 4. Dolby C 5. P9L erase head - same off the ZXL series. May have missed out some here, but for most parts, the series functions are quite similiar. The 682ZX is more refined and has a better lower end in terms of sound though. Regards Bala 79Labs george valkov wrote: Do I understand correctly that compared to the 680ZX the 682ZX has also Bias calibration with a 15 kHz test tone ? George On 4/24/06, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Wouter, > > Indeed the FL display is scaled down, but the flicker adjust is the > same. After working with the 1000ZXL, the display on the 68x series looks > miniature! The 1000ZXL uses a more complex circuit to get the results. > > I really wish they had used the same system with the Dragon. The orange > lights are not comfortable to look at for long hours. > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > The 682ZX uses a totally different FL-display. > To me it is far less nice as the ones used in 680/680ZX/1000ZXL, the > whole FL unit is also much smaller if you take a look on the inside and > uses less segments for it's display. > > Wouter > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi George, > > > > Many of the functions are similiar to the 680ZX, for which > > there is the user manual at Tomas's site (www.naks.mine.nu > > ) . The RAMM may be a little harder to test > > since the cassette may not be recorded to the requirements of the RAMM > > system. Not to say that its the most accurate thing, but its good to > > have everything working. If the FL indicator flickers every so > > slightly, thats ok because it can be adjusted. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ________________________________ > Blab-away for as little as 1?min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! > Messenger with Voice. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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I still play those DBX encoded tapes and they still sound great, and there seemed to be less of an issue when swopping tapes between 'dbx' equipped decks compared to 'B'. I have a DBX 224 which I have used with my Naks with excellent results, but have never installed it as part of my 'regular' system due to the number of decks in regular use. With DBX expanders or companders, I found that between 1.2 and 1.4 expansion could work wonders on some LP recordings, depending upon how compressed they were in the first place. Any greater expansion than that and you DO get into breathing or panting issues regardless. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Apr 24 23:45:32 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:45:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200ii help In-Reply-To: <87B0F15B-8B48-4D4C-A5F0-FD68871DCAB7@comcast.net> References: <042220062208.23788.444AA96D000D547300005CEC22058864420CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> <444C311B.50004@cox.net> <87B0F15B-8B48-4D4C-A5F0-FD68871DCAB7@comcast.net> Message-ID: <444D46FC.4000703@cox.net> Are you the one who has the cool Mac car stereo stuff? The one that looks like a little glass fronted rack mount for the dash? That is so cool. I'm experiencing major car stereo envy. I bought a new RX8 a few months ago which has the 'Bose' system in it and I've found it disappointing. Brien wrote: > Tim I am not in any hurry. I just bought a Focal JM Labs subwoofer > that has the tightest, snappiest bass and is specced to go down to 35 > Hz. > > It is turning out to be a great system > > Best, > > Brien > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Tim Barrett wrote: > >> I finally got around to digging out the TD1200. It's a 1200II also, >> but the wires long ago lost their labels, so I can't say for sure >> which functions the brown and orange wires serve, but I'm practically >> positive that one is an enable for a power antenna and the other is >> an enable for a power amplifier. Neither is necessary for testing >> the unit, just hook both the red and yellow wires to 12V and the >> chassis to common and you should be good to go. >> >> I can't find a suitable 12V power supply at the moment to test mine, >> but I should be able to in the next day or two, so if I discover >> anything different from what I've told you I'll get back to you. >> >> Tim >> >> ws407c at comcast.net wrote: >>> Thank's Tim for your reply. >>> When I power up the deck , I hear the transport run for about 3 seconds and then it is totally dead , no lights but on and consuming current. >>> >>> I wait the 5 minutes and press the code and nothing. Is it normal for the deck do not display anything until the code is accepted ? Do I need to hold down another button or press something else ? >>> >>> There are 4 wires , red/orange/yellow which are fused and a brown which is unfused. I use the case for the negative and red/ora/yel for positive with brown not connected. >>> >>> possibly I do not have the wiring right or it is in need of repair. >>> >>> thanks for your time, >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Once it is connected to power there is about a 5 minute delay before it will accept the security code. You simply have to wait. If it stays connected to power, acceptance is immediate, but if the power to the yellow wire (which should be connected to a 'battery' supply) is interrupted there will be another 5 minute waiting period once power is restored. >>> >>> ws407c at comcast.net wrote: >>> >>>> I recently purchased a TD-1200ii mobile deck without the owners manual and need info on how to input the security code. Is there a trick to it or just hit the keys when powered up ? >>>> >>>> For some reason my AOL e-mail is not working with naktalk and I had to re register with my comcast account . anybody else have this problem ? >>>> >>>> Thank's >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Apr 25 05:52:31 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:52:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sqeaking Dragon Message-ID: <20060425035231.ESPQ26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> I recently picked up a Dragon and it makes a 'squeak' sound whenever I hit the stop button or change direction on the fly. In other words, whenever there's a transition through or to a 'stop' I get a squeak. I took the cover off to find the source of the squeak. It appears that whenever the big white sprocket wheel needs to move, the squeak appears. Down behind the big white sprocket is a wheel with a round belt that appears to control that cam and the noise starts when that wheel turns. Is this the source of the squeak, a bad belt? Alex, is this the dreaded belt change that you are going to encounter? From lenaw at flash.net Tue Apr 25 03:15:02 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:15:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX In-Reply-To: <20060425010853.86719.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01c66805$aeaf3140$a4c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Hi Bala: What is the usefulness of the half speed of the 680ZX? For open-reel the higher the speed, the better the performance. From the 680ZX brochure, the frequency response of at half speed is worst than the full speed. I know it can record more material on each side using half-speed though. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:09 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX Hi George, Here are the differences off my mind : 1. No Half Speed 2. Auto Level Cal 3. Bias Cal 4. Dolby C 5. P9L erase head - same off the ZXL series. May have missed out some here, but for most parts, the series functions are quite similiar. The 682ZX is more refined and has a better lower end in terms of sound though. Regards Bala 79Labs george valkov wrote: Do I understand correctly that compared to the 680ZX the 682ZX has also Bias calibration with a 15 kHz test tone ? George On 4/24/06, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Wouter, > > Indeed the FL display is scaled down, but the flicker adjust is the > same. After working with the 1000ZXL, the display on the 68x series looks > miniature! The 1000ZXL uses a more complex circuit to get the results. > > I really wish they had used the same system with the Dragon. The orange > lights are not comfortable to look at for long hours. > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > The 682ZX uses a totally different FL-display. > To me it is far less nice as the ones used in 680/680ZX/1000ZXL, the > whole FL unit is also much smaller if you take a look on the inside and > uses less segments for it's display. > > Wouter > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi George, > > > > Many of the functions are similiar to the 680ZX, for which > > there is the user manual at Tomas's site (www.naks.mine.nu > > ) . The RAMM may be a little harder to test > > since the cassette may not be recorded to the requirements of the RAMM > > system. Not to say that its the most accurate thing, but its good to > > have everything working. If the FL indicator flickers every so > > slightly, thats ok because it can be adjusted. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ________________________________ > Blab-away for as little as 1?min. 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Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Apr 25 09:46:34 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:46:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Phase adjustment, RH Height and RH azimuth In-Reply-To: <20060418191546.66764.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060418191546.66764.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444DD3DA.6070302@peromarta.org> Kannan, This adjustment IS important! I did move the pots from their original position, and since, NAAC just failed to work properly. I was unable to set it right, provided the Service Manula instructions hereunder, but eventually, I was able to work it out. I just did not disconnect the AA motor, and loaded a 15KHz, and use a scope to check azimuth adjustment result. There is one point at which the adjustment is perfect, and only one, and the adjustment can be done dinamically, adn can be re-checked with a simple stop/start. I repeated the procedure for reverse playback, and I fianlly got it working again. Best rgds, LP. kannan srinivasaraghavan escribió: > I think you better leave this adjustment - proceed with rest. A very > good advice - no explanation will be given. > trust me or go ahead ! > Kannan > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I am doing some adjusting on my dragon. I am going trough the > electrical > adjustments from the service manuals. In step 4, "PH and RH Height > adjustment and azimuth alignment", it comes to "Phase Adjustment and > record Height adj. and azimuth alignment": > > a.- Disconnect CN-5 of the auto az. pcb ass'y. > > (This is the azimuth motor conector, 2 pins, signal and ground, pin > 1 is > signal. Conect a DC milivoltmeter to pin 1 of CN-5) > > b.- Load 15KHz az. tape, and forward-play it back. Adjust VR701 on the > main PCB ass'y to obyain 0V on the DC milivoltmeter.(Adjustment should > be carried out within aprox 10s). > > > c.- Same as above for reverse playback, and using VR702. > > > > Well, the DC milivoltmeter reads aprox 550mv, for a few seconds, the it > starts to move from -5V to +500mv (I guess the deck tries to NAAC but > fails to to move the motor). Problem is trying to adjust VR701 or VR702 > makes no difference on initial 550mv in pin 1 of CN-5. > > However, even though I tried to leave the pots at their original > position, I don't think I left it quite well. > > Am I doing something wrong? > > Any input greatly appreciated. > > LP. > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Apr 25 10:56:03 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:56:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] dbx fun Message-ID: Hi Martin! Once during the earlier 70ties I buy a DBX 119 unit compander/expander..., for LP works as you wrote 1.2 lovely...but was 117 v.ac, so I needed an transformer for our local main...a month later I sold it...since them NO more DBX units! Only as a curiosity!!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Martin Short" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] dbx fun >Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:37:01 +1200 > >Derrick, > >Glad to read that you have 'discovered' the wonders of DBX!!! Yes, it is a >pity that this NR didn't really catch on and that Nakamichi never >introduced it, as I think it works really well. I was converted years ago >when I got a new Technics c/w DBX and it became my NR system of choice. >Always gave me good 'hiss free' recordings.. but then I started my >Nakamichi collection, and went back to Dolby "B" . Also, with the 'coming' >of Naks into our household.. noise reduction became less of an issue :o). > >I still play those DBX encoded tapes and they still sound great, and there >seemed to be less of an issue when swopping tapes between 'dbx' equipped >decks compared to 'B'. > >I have a DBX 224 which I have used with my Naks with excellent results, but >have never installed it as part of my 'regular' system due to the number of >decks in regular use. > >With DBX expanders or companders, I found that between 1.2 and 1.4 >expansion could work wonders on some LP recordings, depending upon how >compressed they were in the first place. Any greater expansion than that >and you DO get into breathing or panting issues regardless. > >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Apr 25 11:05:18 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:05:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sqeaking Dragon Message-ID: Hi Jerry! Thank you very heart fully for your kindly explanation, YET...NO such noises....YET...the cam belt is slipping, when I try to play the other side of any cassette...(As the unit get warm...the cam belt stretch a little bit...& begin to slip), I alrwady thank's to an superbly friend on our Nak forum, he sent me a replacement together with the "Counter Belt" (Which still after 22 years good...YET!!!). Soon I will change the cams belt...I don't feel so well, that is my only reason for do it later. Again, thank you; so much! Be well, ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Sqeaking Dragon >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:52:31 -0400 > >I recently picked up a Dragon and it makes a 'squeak' sound whenever I hit >the stop button or change direction on the fly. In other words, whenever >there's a transition through or to a 'stop' I get a squeak. > >I took the cover off to find the source of the squeak. It appears that >whenever the big white sprocket wheel needs to move, the squeak appears. >Down behind the big white sprocket is a wheel with a round belt that >appears to control that cam and the noise starts when that wheel turns. > >Is this the source of the squeak, a bad belt? > >Alex, is this the dreaded belt change that you are going to encounter? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 14:51:17 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sqeaking Dragon In-Reply-To: <20060425035231.ESPQ26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Message-ID: <20060425125117.78449.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI Roland this is a well known and easy solution problem in Nak older transport. Scott has a wonderful collection of remedies from naktalk posts and other refrences in his website.please refer http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change%20Noise for the solution Kannan rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: I recently picked up a Dragon and it makes a 'squeak' sound whenever I hit the stop button or change direction on the fly. In other words, whenever there's a transition through or to a 'stop' I get a squeak. I took the cover off to find the source of the squeak. It appears that whenever the big white sprocket wheel needs to move, the squeak appears. Down behind the big white sprocket is a wheel with a round belt that appears to control that cam and the noise starts when that wheel turns. Is this the source of the squeak, a bad belt? Alex, is this the dreaded belt change that you are going to encounter? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Tue Apr 25 15:14:12 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:14:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naks Message-ID: <444E20A4.3030800@caribsurf.com> I vaguely remember when the 1000 was available here, I had an opportunity to check it out. I was very impressed by the recordings it made when played on the 1000 but was less impressed by the sound of these recordings on other tape decks, including the one I was using! As a result of that experience, I kept to the Kenwood 3hd deck and later replaced it with the Aiwa XK009 which was an excellent deck until it developed transport problems on the playback and replacement parts were not available. I was looking for a replacement when Winnie Pooh recommended that I consider a Nak and he made a number of recommendations. I bought a BX300 and am waiting for it to arrive in Barbados (it is currently with the shippers in Miami). I assumed that the incompatibility problem no longer existed as I have not heard any of my friends who own a Nak complain about it. However, I see on Scott's website he says that Nakamichi uses the IEC 1976 equalisation while other decks use the 1981 spec, so (except for the MR1B) one can expect a problem with incompatibility? As I wish to use the BX300 to play recorded tapes which I wish to transfer to CD, I hope it will give good results.. 2. I have a Geneva AT-210B cassette alignment tape. It is full track and is meant to facilitate azimuth adjustment, frequency response (to 10kHz) checks, recording level meter calibration, Dolby level calibration and provides both Ferric (120) and chrome (70) responses. The standards quoted are from ANSI, and are listed as IEC94 with amendments (ie 94-2), EIA RS-433 dated April 1976, DIN 45513-6 Fe May 1976 and DIN45513-7 CR Feb 1976. I also have Sony P-4-A81 (azimuth 6k3Hz) SPC4 (Speed test) P4-A82 Azimuth 10kHz P4-L81 Lrvel set P4 T81 and WS-48 (wow test) The Sonys are on loan So there is enough test material to keep me busy! I did have a Teac Mt116 tape but have not been able to find it... Regards Paul From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Apr 25 15:18:34 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:18:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dbx fun In-Reply-To: <004101c667e7$39be0aa0$0201a8c0@lan> References: <004101c667e7$39be0aa0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060425091641.04126298@psulias.psu.edu> Absoulutley. The Dolby B encoded tapes from the Yamaha don't sit well at all with the Nakamichi and need over biased to get the high end listenable. No such problems with the dbx. >I still play those DBX encoded tapes and they still sound great, and there >seemed to be less of an issue when swopping tapes between 'dbx' equipped >decks compared to 'B'. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 16:43:16 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX In-Reply-To: <002a01c66805$aeaf3140$a4c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: <20060425144316.5790.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Micheal, I use it to record programs on the BBC radio which I listen to later. I once did a crazy test. I took a reel tape which was recorded at 15ips. Played it at half speed (7.5 ips) and recorded using my 680zx at 15/16ips. I then played back at 1 7/8 ips and viola! But it sounded wierd. Regards Bala 79Labs lenaw wrote: Hi Bala: What is the usefulness of the half speed of the 680ZX? For open-reel the higher the speed, the better the performance. From the 680ZX brochure, the frequency response of at half speed is worst than the full speed. I know it can record more material on each side using half-speed though. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:09 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX Hi George, Here are the differences off my mind : 1. No Half Speed 2. Auto Level Cal 3. Bias Cal 4. Dolby C 5. P9L erase head - same off the ZXL series. May have missed out some here, but for most parts, the series functions are quite similiar. The 682ZX is more refined and has a better lower end in terms of sound though. Regards Bala 79Labs george valkov wrote: Do I understand correctly that compared to the 680ZX the 682ZX has also Bias calibration with a 15 kHz test tone ? George On 4/24/06, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Wouter, > > Indeed the FL display is scaled down, but the flicker adjust is the > same. After working with the 1000ZXL, the display on the 68x series looks > miniature! The 1000ZXL uses a more complex circuit to get the results. > > I really wish they had used the same system with the Dragon. The orange > lights are not comfortable to look at for long hours. > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > The 682ZX uses a totally different FL-display. > To me it is far less nice as the ones used in 680/680ZX/1000ZXL, the > whole FL unit is also much smaller if you take a look on the inside and > uses less segments for it's display. > > Wouter > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi George, > > > > Many of the functions are similiar to the 680ZX, for which > > there is the user manual at Tomas's site (www.naks.mine.nu > > ) . The RAMM may be a little harder to test > > since the cassette may not be recorded to the requirements of the RAMM > > system. Not to say that its the most accurate thing, but its good to > > have everything working. If the FL indicator flickers every so > > slightly, thats ok because it can be adjusted. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ________________________________ > Blab-away for as little as 1?min. 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 19:03:57 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sqeaking Dragon In-Reply-To: <20060425125117.78449.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060425170358.34769.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Look for the section "Noise during mode changes " It will refer you to Nakamichi service information NR-0040 http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_NR-0040.gif SJ --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > HI Roland > this is a well known and easy solution problem in Nak older > transport. Scott has a wonderful collection of remedies from > naktalk posts and other refrences in his website.please refer > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change%20Noise > for the solution > Kannan > > rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > I recently picked up a Dragon and it makes a 'squeak' sound > whenever I hit the stop button or change direction on the fly. In > other words, whenever there's a transition through or to a 'stop' I > get a squeak. > > I took the cover off to find the source of the squeak. It appears > that whenever the big white sprocket wheel needs to move, the > squeak appears. Down behind the big white sprocket is a wheel with > a round belt that appears to control that cam and the noise starts > when that wheel turns. > > Is this the source of the squeak, a bad belt? > > Alex, is this the dreaded belt change that you are going to > encounter? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From N4229K at aol.com Tue Apr 25 19:04:08 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:04:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] dbx fun Message-ID: <3aa.18ebd88.317fb088@aol.com> I use a DBX 224X with a DBX 3BX-DS and some Burwen units in Processor loop. Great for Duping Dean In a message dated 4/25/2006 5:18:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, alexcozac at hotmail.com writes: Hi Martin! Once during the earlier 70ties I buy a DBX 119 unit compander/expander..., for LP works as you wrote 1.2 lovely...but was 117 v.ac, so I needed an transformer for our local main...a month later I sold it...since them NO more DBX units! Only as a curiosity!!!! Cheers, ALEX! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 25 19:14:18 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Naks In-Reply-To: <444E20A4.3030800@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <20060425171419.88226.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > However, I see on Scott's website he says that Nakamichi uses the > IEC > 1976 equalisation while > other decks use the 1981 spec, so (except for the MR1B) one can > expect I believe that later decks CR series (except CR-5 & CR-7), DR series, Cassette Deck series have the later IEC standard P/R equalization. I am not positive on this thought. Can anyone confirm or deny this? If you play your non-Nak recorded tape on the BX-300 is might sound a little bright. You can attenuate this high frequency rise by moving the playback head out of alignment, just kidding. The high frequency rise is only a dB maybe two so you probably won't notice it. SJ --- Paul Carrington wrote: > I vaguely remember when the 1000 was available here, I had an > opportunity to check it out. I was very impressed by the > recordings it made when played on the 1000 but was less impressed > by the > sound of these recordings on other tape decks, > including the one I was using! As a result of that experience, I > kept > to the Kenwood 3hd deck and later replaced it with > the Aiwa XK009 which was an excellent deck until it developed > transport > problems on the playback and replacement > parts were not available. > I was looking for a replacement when Winnie Pooh recommended that I > > consider a Nak and he made a number of > recommendations. I bought a BX300 and am waiting for it to arrive > in > Barbados (it is currently with the shippers in > Miami). I assumed that the incompatibility problem no longer > existed as > I have not heard any of my friends who own a Nak complain about it. > > However, I see on Scott's website he says that Nakamichi uses the > IEC > 1976 equalisation while > other decks use the 1981 spec, so (except for the MR1B) one can > expect > a problem with incompatibility? As I wish to use the BX300 to play > > recorded tapes which I wish to transfer to CD, I hope it will give > good > results.. > > 2. I have a Geneva AT-210B cassette alignment tape. It is full > track > and is meant to facilitate azimuth adjustment, frequency response > (to > 10kHz) checks, recording level meter calibration, Dolby level > calibration and provides both Ferric (120) and chrome (70) > responses. > The standards quoted are from ANSI, and are listed as IEC94 with > amendments (ie 94-2), > EIA RS-433 dated April 1976, DIN 45513-6 Fe May 1976 and DIN45513-7 > CR > Feb 1976. > > I also have Sony P-4-A81 (azimuth 6k3Hz) > SPC4 (Speed test) > P4-A82 Azimuth 10kHz > P4-L81 Lrvel set > P4 T81 > and WS-48 (wow test) > The Sonys are on loan > So there is enough test material to keep me busy! I did have a > Teac > Mt116 tape but have not been able to find it... > Regards > Paul > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From henry at privatemail.me.uk Tue Apr 25 18:28:34 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:28:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tapes in London UK In-Reply-To: <518b7b10604240423n28969700o87eb6a4db3cfc985@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Its KVJ fairdeal. There is a website but its better to go down to the shop. Met or District line to Aldgate East - take the exit for the Whitechapel art gallery and the shop is out of the exit a few doors down on the left. Opens weekdays normal hours but only to one on Saturdays. Hope this helps Henry. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: 24 April 2006 12:23 To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Blank tapes in London UK What were the details of the shop near East Aldgate tube station which carries a decent stock of blank cassettes ? Thanks, George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jberger at well.com Tue Apr 25 19:48:49 2006 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] re: 682ZX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:02:57 +0100 From: "george valkov" Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Do I understand correctly that compared to the 680ZX the 682ZX has also Bias calibration with a 15 kHz test tone ? George Yes. Once they got their hand slapped by Philips (or is it Phillips; one's an electronics company, the other an oil company), they had those six extra holes in the front panel that had been used for half-speed record level calibration. These were reused for the bias calibration screws. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 25 20:16:05 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:16:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dbx fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060425131605.0082f100@earthlink.net> DBX is bad for cassette decks with frequency response errors; any deviation is multiplied 3 times! a 1 dB error replays as a 3dB error. tom brucker At 08:56 AM 4/25/06 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Martin! > >Once during the earlier 70ties I buy a DBX 119 unit compander/expander..., >for LP works as you wrote 1.2 lovely...but was 117 v.ac, so I needed an >transformer for our local main...a month later I sold it...since them NO >more DBX units! > >Only as a curiosity!!!! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: "Martin Short" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: >>Subject: [naktalk] dbx fun >>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:37:01 +1200 >> >>Derrick, >> >>Glad to read that you have 'discovered' the wonders of DBX!!! Yes, it is a >>pity that this NR didn't really catch on and that Nakamichi never >>introduced it, as I think it works really well. I was converted years ago >>when I got a new Technics c/w DBX and it became my NR system of choice. >>Always gave me good 'hiss free' recordings.. but then I started my >>Nakamichi collection, and went back to Dolby "B" . Also, with the 'coming' >>of Naks into our household.. noise reduction became less of an issue :o). >> >>I still play those DBX encoded tapes and they still sound great, and there >>seemed to be less of an issue when swopping tapes between 'dbx' equipped >>decks compared to 'B'. >> >>I have a DBX 224 which I have used with my Naks with excellent results, but >>have never installed it as part of my 'regular' system due to the number of >>decks in regular use. >> >>With DBX expanders or companders, I found that between 1.2 and 1.4 >>expansion could work wonders on some LP recordings, depending upon how >>compressed they were in the first place. Any greater expansion than that >>and you DO get into breathing or panting issues regardless. >> >>Martin > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Apr 25 20:13:57 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:13:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Blank tapes in London UK In-Reply-To: References: <518b7b10604240423n28969700o87eb6a4db3cfc985@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10604251113s13e1a04bid813d0a9463b883f@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Henry, once I got the letters in the right order in my head I found them -:). George On 4/25/06, Henry wrote: > Its KVJ fairdeal. There is a website but its better to go down to the shop. > Met or District line to Aldgate East - take the exit for the Whitechapel art > gallery and the shop is out of the exit a few doors down on the left. Opens > weekdays normal hours but only to one on Saturdays. > > Hope this helps Henry. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of george valkov > Sent: 24 April 2006 12:23 > To: Naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] Blank tapes in London UK > > > What were the details of the shop near East Aldgate tube station which > carries a decent stock of blank cassettes ? > > Thanks, > George > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Apr 25 23:57:05 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:57:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dbx fun Message-ID: > Absoulutley. The Dolby B encoded tapes from the Yamaha don't sit > well at > all with the Nakamichi and need over biased to get the high end > listenable. No such problems with the dbx. > This doesn't make sense. Bias is only used when recording, so you can only overbias when you are recording a tape, not playing it back.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Apr 26 02:17:12 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:17:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sqeaking Dragon In-Reply-To: <20060425125117.78449.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060425035231.ESPQ26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060425201626.017f99a0@pop.east.cox.net> Kannan, thank you very much!! At 05:51 AM 4/25/2006 -0700, you wrote: >HI Roland >this is a well known and easy solution problem in Nak older transport. >Scott has a wonderful collection of remedies from naktalk posts and other >refrences in his website.please refer >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change%20Noise >for the solution >Kannan > >rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: >I recently picked up a Dragon and it makes a 'squeak' sound whenever I hit >the stop button or change direction on the fly. In other words, whenever >there's a transition through or to a 'stop' I get a squeak. > >I took the cover off to find the source of the squeak. It appears that >whenever the big white sprocket wheel needs to move, the squeak appears. >Down behind the big white sprocket is a wheel with a round belt that >appears to control that cam and the noise starts when that wheel turns. > >Is this the source of the squeak, a bad belt? > >Alex, is this the dreaded belt change that you are going to encounter? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. >Get >it on your phone. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Apr 26 03:39:37 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:39:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sqeaking Dragon Message-ID: Nice! I intend to do the same when I will feel well to change my slipping flat rubber belt on the cam, but I think only from the "Top"....wait 12 hours so will drip completely trough, now I know both sides! ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sqeaking Dragon >Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:03:57 -0700 (PDT) > >Look for the section "Noise during mode changes " >It will refer you to Nakamichi service information NR-0040 >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_NR-0040.gif >SJ > >--- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > HI Roland > > this is a well known and easy solution problem in Nak older > > transport. Scott has a wonderful collection of remedies from > > naktalk posts and other refrences in his website.please refer > > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change%20Noise > > for the solution > > Kannan > > > > rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > > I recently picked up a Dragon and it makes a 'squeak' sound > > whenever I hit the stop button or change direction on the fly. In > > other words, whenever there's a transition through or to a 'stop' I > > get a squeak. > > > > I took the cover off to find the source of the squeak. It appears > > that whenever the big white sprocket wheel needs to move, the > > squeak appears. Down behind the big white sprocket is a wheel with > > a round belt that appears to control that cam and the noise starts > > when that wheel turns. > > > > Is this the source of the squeak, a bad belt? > > > > Alex, is this the dreaded belt change that you are going to > > encounter? > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Apr 26 04:59:14 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:59:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550 bias calibration In-Reply-To: <444CBA17.7040800@peromarta.org> References: <444CBA17.7040800@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <444EE202.2010209@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Luis, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi, > > This one probable goes out for Kermit ;) > > How should I adjust bias in the 550? Service manual says use 400Hz test > tone and adjust bias pots for maximum output, however, I did use 15KHz > test tone, input to -20db and adjust bias to obtain same level at > playback. These pots are no too easy to access, so I guess I will > calibrate for TDK SA, and leave it like that. > > Is this the right procedure? > That's what I've been doing for my both my 550s (nicknamed Bad Girl and Good Girl) since 1977, so I'd say that will work just fine. I'm sure a full-time tech has a more-precise method, but what you've described is a good method. N-Joy your 550! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Apr 26 08:19:41 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:19:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. Message-ID: FWIW: I did order some of the manuals they had listed (only one Nak manual I wanted was there still from the list, but I ordered some other stuff), and they indeed were the originals. The Revox B790 & 791/795 turntable manuals even included original service tech bulletins. The Nak one I got was the 700zxl. I note that whereas the 700 series and the 1000 series are normally considered quite close (and it seems would be in the case of the 1000/700 and 1000 II and 700 II, the 700zxl is a lot different internally than the 1000zxl. Externally you notice the (coarser graded) LED-based meter vs. the fluoroscan one on the 1000zxl, plus the fact that the bias setting is more semi-automatic rather than fully automatic. Internally, though, you also notice that the bias and CPU clock oscillatators on the 1000zxl are crystal- driven with frequency dividers (hence no adjustments), whereas the 700's are more conventional coil (bias) and RC/op-amp based. In addition to the Nak and Revox manuals above I also got the TEAC AN-180 and AN-300 Dolby-B unit manuals (I have an AN-300 I use more a switchbox at the moment).-kby From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 26 09:26:40 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:26:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks Message-ID: <20060426072640.23823.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Paul Carrington wrote: [As I wish to use the BX300 to play recorded tapes which I wish to transfer to CD, I hope it will give good results..] Paul, that's the main reason I recently got hold of a BX300E, and having made no modifications to it except for the idler tire replacement, I've been very happy with the results. I play the tapes with Dolby B selected and they have much more sparkle than I believed possible. I'm actually so impressed that now I'm thinking of keeping about 50 prerecorded tapes I'd made my mind up to sell. Presumably your BX300 will be set up for US voltage - how will you get round that for use in the UK (I assumed you're UK based)? I'm only asking because I've seen some really nice decks for sale in the US but ruled them out because of the voltage "thing". Enjoy your deck when it arrives... Chris From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Apr 26 10:49:13 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:49:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks In-Reply-To: <20060426072640.23823.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060426072640.23823.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10604260149w5655f75cgacb89a72454130fa@mail.gmail.com> Chris, A good step-down transformer from someone like Maplins should do the job more than satisfactory. George On 4/26/06, Chris Mann wrote: > Paul Carrington wrote: > > [As I wish to use the BX300 to play recorded tapes > which I wish to transfer to CD, I hope it will give > good results..] > > Paul, that's the main reason I recently got hold of a > BX300E, and having made no modifications to it except > for the idler tire replacement, I've been very happy > with the results. I play the tapes with Dolby B > selected and they have much more sparkle than I > believed possible. I'm actually so impressed that now > I'm thinking of keeping about 50 prerecorded tapes I'd > made my mind up to sell. > > Presumably your BX300 will be set up for US voltage - > how will you get round that for use in the UK (I > assumed you're UK based)? I'm only asking because I've > seen some really nice decks for sale in the US but > ruled them out because of the voltage "thing". > > Enjoy your deck when it arrives... > > Chris > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Apr 26 14:25:41 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:25:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Naks References: <20060426072640.23823.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c6692c$88e9d0a0$c8d517c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Paul, get a stepdown transformer(eg Maeplin).These transformers are relatively cheap and work very well! I have the same problem here in South Africa. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Mann" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] Naks > Paul Carrington wrote: > > [As I wish to use the BX300 to play recorded tapesC > which I wish to transfer to CD, I hope it will give > good results..] > > Paul, that's the main reason I recently got hold of a > BX300E, and having made no modifications to it except > for the idler tire replacement, I've been very happy > with the results. I play the tapes with Dolby B > selected and they have much more sparkle than I > believed possible. I'm actually so impressed that now > I'm thinking of keeping about 50 prerecorded tapes I'd > made my mind up to sell. > > Presumably your BX300 will be set up for US voltage - > how will you get round that for use in the UK (I > assumed you're UK based)? I'm only asking because I've > seen some really nice decks for sale in the US but > ruled them out because of the voltage "thing". > > Enjoy your deck when it arrives... > > Chris > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Apr 26 15:17:50 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:17:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dbx fun In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060426091647.01b1a390@psulias.psu.edu> I know. I overbias the tape when recording on the Yamaha so that it sounds a little brighter on the Nakamichi. At 05:57 PM 4/25/2006, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >>Absoulutley. The Dolby B encoded tapes from the Yamaha don't sit well at >>all with the Nakamichi and need over biased to get the high end >>listenable. No such problems with the dbx. > >This doesn't make sense. Bias is only used when recording, so you can only >overbias when you are >recording a tape, not playing it back.-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From britri at comcast.net Wed Apr 26 23:20:14 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:20:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200ii help In-Reply-To: <444D46FC.4000703@cox.net> References: <042220062208.23788.444AA96D000D547300005CEC22058864420CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> <444C311B.50004@cox.net> <87B0F15B-8B48-4D4C-A5F0-FD68871DCAB7@comcast.net> <444D46FC.4000703@cox.net> Message-ID: <5BF3AB89-A38E-4BC8-BFAE-002BAC28CB0C@comcast.net> Rolling this thread over to audiotalk, please Yes. that is my mac stuff. I am driving a pair of a/d/s L300C 2 way speakers that are about 20 years old. I just bought a Focal J M Labs subwoofer ( you know, the French company that makes the Grand Utopia Be that I think 1 of our fellow naktalkers owns). We have the new audi A6 which also has a McBose system. It sounds horrible: the bass sounds like it's coming from a drum with skin too loose, and the imaging is so weird I cant get my ears around the stereo image. Bose continues to permeate the audio market with VERY expensive garbage. If you can swing it and can acknowledge that, like the home equipment, it is of the exact same quality and will probably outlast you. Then check out Focal's offerings for speakers. Congrats on that RX 8. It/you deserves better sound! P. S. here is the URL for the subwoofer I purchased: http://www.focal-fr.com/car/en/caissons/index.htm From this site, check out all the offerings this incredible company has. This is a breath of fresh air for audiophiles like us because there are very few quality speaker offerings for the car. Even the McIntosh and the new A/D/S offerings from accompany that is a/d/s/ in name only now, are not impressive. On Apr 24, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Tim Barrett wrote: > Are you the one who has the cool Mac car stereo stuff? The one > that looks like a little glass fronted rack mount for the dash? > That is so cool. I'm experiencing major car stereo envy. I bought > a new RX8 a few months ago which has the 'Bose' system in it and > I've found it disappointing. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Wed Apr 26 23:20:14 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:20:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200ii help In-Reply-To: <444D46FC.4000703@cox.net> References: <042220062208.23788.444AA96D000D547300005CEC22058864420CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> <444C311B.50004@cox.net> <87B0F15B-8B48-4D4C-A5F0-FD68871DCAB7@comcast.net> <444D46FC.4000703@cox.net> Message-ID: <242B4467-A3EE-4D92-AD6E-8C58B707BB05@comcast.net> Rolling this thread over to audiotalk, please Yes. that is my mac stuff. I am driving a pair of a/d/s L300C 2 way speakers that are about 20 years old. I just bought a Focal J M Labs subwoofer ( you know, the French company that makes the Grand Utopia Be that I think 1 of our fellow naktalkers owns). We have the new audi A6 which also has a McBose system. It sounds horrible: the bass sounds like it's coming from a drum with skin too loose, and the imaging is so weird I cant get my ears around the stereo image. Bose continues to permeate the audio market with VERY expensive garbage. If you can swing it and can acknowledge that, like the home equipment, it is of the exact same quality and will probably outlast you. Then check out Focal's offerings for speakers. Congrats on that RX 8. It/you deserves better sound! P. S. here is the URL for the subwoofer I purchased: http://www.focal-fr.com/car/en/caissons/index.htm From this site, check out all the offerings this incredible company has. This is a breath of fresh air for audiophiles like us because there are very few quality speaker offerings for the car. Even the McIntosh and the new A/D/S offerings from accompany that is a/d/s/ in name only now, are not impressive. On Apr 24, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Tim Barrett wrote: > Are you the one who has the cool Mac car stereo stuff? The one > that looks like a little glass fronted rack mount for the dash? > That is so cool. I'm experiencing major car stereo envy. I bought > a new RX8 a few months ago which has the 'Bose' system in it and > I've found it disappointing. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 27 05:58:12 2006 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:58:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. Message-ID: <410-22006442735812359@earthlink.net> Hi. Have you ever replaced the orange caps from the 700ZXL or done other type specific repairs to this model? Are there any common problems (achilles heal issues) that afflict this particular cassette deck? I have owned a 700ZXL for two years that has a somewhat less than functional left channel. First , the output level is about 3-6db lower on theleft than the right side on playback . I can also hear a distinct rustling and popping noise which is very distracting and considerably reduces the enjoyment of this deck; Unlike the 700II which has an adjustable left/right output this model combines both. I know of few write-ups which shed light on this problem. I once "dared" look inside and found out first hand why Nak was leagues ahead of any competition in the engineering dept. and put the case right back on. Any comments would be appreciated!! FWIW: I did order some of the manuals they had listed (only one Nak manual I wanted was there still from the list, but I ordered some other stuff), and they indeed were the originals. The Revox B790 & 791/795 turntable manuals even included original service tech bulletins. The Nak one I got was the 700zxl. I note that whereas the 700 series and the 1000 series are normally considered quite close (and it seems would be in the case of the 1000/700 and 1000 II and 700 II, the 700zxl is a lot different internally than the 1000zxl. Externally you notice the (coarser graded) LED-based meter vs. the fluoroscan one on the 1000zxl, plus the fact that the bias setting is more semi-automatic rather than fully automatic. Internally, though, you also notice that the bias and CPU clock oscillatators on the 1000zxl are crystal- driven with frequency dividers (hence no adjustments), whereas the 700's are more conventional coil (bias) and RC/op-amp based. In addition to the Nak and Revox manuals above I also got the TEAC AN-180 and AN-300 Dolby-B unit manuals (I have an AN-300 I use more a switchbox at the moment).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 27 16:07:16 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:07:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]700ZXL with noisy channel In-Reply-To: <410-22006442735812359@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060427090716.00829920@earthlink.net> Dan, Adding a signature line to your post helps us readers. If you are in the US I would be able to repair your 700ZXL. I do not know specifically what causes the popping and rustling, but a capacitor certainly could. my contact info is in my signature. tom brucker At 11:58 PM 4/26/06 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Hi. Have you ever replaced the orange caps from the 700ZXL or done other type specific repairs to this model? Are there any common problems (achilles heal issues) that afflict this particular cassette deck? I have owned a 700ZXL for two years that has a somewhat less than functional left channel. First , the output level is about 3-6db lower on theleft than the right side on playback . I can also hear a distinct rustling and popping noise which is very distracting and considerably reduces the enjoyment of this deck; Unlike the 700II which has an adjustable left/right output this model combines both. I know of few write-ups which shed light on this problem. I once "dared" look inside and found out first hand why Nak was leagues ahead of any competition in the engineering dept. and put the case right back on. Any comments would be appreciated!! Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Apr 27 14:04:03 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:04:03 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Naks & IEC EQ Message-ID: <005a01c669f2$adaf8080$0201a8c0@lan> "I believe that later decks CR series (except CR-5 & CR-7), DR series, Cassette Deck series have the later IEC standard P/R equalization. I am not positive on this thought. Can anyone confirm or deny this? " Scott, Whilst I cannot confirm or refute whether the later Naks conform to the IEC2 standard, I am aware of this 'urban legend' and am surprised that none of the techo's have chipped in here. What I can say is that tapes recorded on many older Naks such as a 581, my own 582Z, ZX-7,600's etc sound fine when played back via a CR2, CR3 or DR3. The same tapes played back through a typical mainstream deck which would be using the IEC 2 standard sound dull and lack 'air' as anticipated. So, my ears tell me that Nakamichi still clung onto IEC1 as far as 1992, but whether this applies to the last DR8/10 models I don't know, but would be very keen to get a fact based verdict on this!! Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Apr 27 20:27:42 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:27:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. Message-ID: I have not. I got the service manual because I have sort of a project/ pedagogical 700zxl I picked up a while ago. There's things that need to be replaced or repaired in it that can't really be done properly (part of the frame of the mechanism was broken; it also needs a new azimuth wire), but I was curious what could be done. I did have an issue which, as Tom suggested, was a cap with those symptoms on my 1000zxl which does have the same board and it was C104 (or C204, depending on L/R channel). But it could be any one of a number, and one thing I've discovered (as a less than patient and thus maybe slightly ham-fisted de-solderer) is that the Nak board traces seem a bit more fragile than some other things I've done.-kby From N4229K at aol.com Fri Apr 28 00:56:04 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:56:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk]700ZXL with noisy channel Message-ID: <3f4.a15376.3182a604@aol.com> Hi Tom: I have a couple of decks I would like repaired - I'll give you a call. OR call me at 516 993-7009. Dean PS is idler tire on the way? In a message dated 4/27/2006 10:19:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Dan, Adding a signature line to your post helps us readers. If you are in the US I would be able to repair your 700ZXL. I do not know specifically what causes the popping and rustling, but a capacitor certainly could. my contact info is in my signature. tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 03:08:05 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060428010805.54223.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo and friends, I fired up my second 1000ZXL with MP capacitors in place of the orange caps. So far, it seems good and behaves well. This is a full complement on the plyaback path. There are about 7 or 8 pairs on the playback board and two more on the main board. Another issue which has plauged all 5 ZXL playback boards are the playback amp offset. Its been causing less then optimum playback levels and unbalanced playback levels. I will be putting up a small page on fixing playback woes within the week (there goes my May Day holiday!) These took care of all playback issues on the ZXL decks. Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Tel: 065-65842479 Mobile 065-9339-4693 "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I have not. I got the service manual because I have sort of a project/ pedagogical 700zxl I picked up a while ago. There's things that need to be replaced or repaired in it that can't really be done properly (part of the frame of the mechanism was broken; it also needs a new azimuth wire), but I was curious what could be done. I did have an issue which, as Tom suggested, was a cap with those symptoms on my 1000zxl which does have the same board and it was C104 (or C204, depending on L/R channel). But it could be any one of a number, and one thing I've discovered (as a less than patient and thus maybe slightly ham-fisted de-solderer) is that the Nak board traces seem a bit more fragile than some other things I've done.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 05:50:27 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:50:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]700ZXL with noisy channel In-Reply-To: <3f4.a15376.3182a604@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060427225027.00b30508@pop.earthlink.net> Dean, I'll send it. I wanted to ponder other PRB needs, to make best use of your PRB time. I am perfectly happy with the IT-54 idler tire for C80635. Isn't everyone? I guess one thing I should check is if there is a PRB number. I want to send a Tandberg round belt, and I'd like to send the tire used in the LX3 /680/580 because that one has no substitute. I'll call you when I have a chance. I have 2 service calls tomorrow. tom At 06:56 PM 4/27/2006 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Hi Tom: I have a couple of decks I would like repaired - I'll give you a call. OR call me at 516 993-7009. Dean PS is idler tire on the way? In a message dated 4/27/2006 10:19:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Dan, Adding a signature line to your post helps us readers. If you are in the US I would be able to repair your 700ZXL. I do not know specifically what causes the popping and rustling, but a capacitor certainly could. my contact info is in my signature. tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Apr 27 21:38:11 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:38:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks & IEC EQ Message-ID: <13E251E6-5B00-47BD-8C66-3C4E90E4521C@alumni.caltech.edu> Actually, along these lines, what would be interesting to know is how good a Nak *known* to be IEC-2 (e.g. MR-1B) actually sounded with tapes made on older "known" to be IEC-1 decks.-kby From kmashlan at shaw.ca Fri Apr 28 03:25:03 2006 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:25:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. In-Reply-To: <20060428010805.54223.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <045b01c66a62$93c41bc0$6401a8c0@shuttle> Bala. Are these the fabled "new" replacement boards for the ZXL series??? Ken _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: April 27, 2006 6:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. Hi Kimo and friends, I fired up my second 1000ZXL with MP capacitors in place of the orange caps. So far, it seems good and behaves well. This is a full complement on the plyaback path. There are about 7 or 8 pairs on the playback board and two more on the main board. Another issue which has plauged all 5 ZXL playback boards are the playback amp offset. Its been causing less then optimum playback levels and unbalanced playback levels. I will be putting up a small page on fixing playback woes within the week (there goes my May Day holiday!) These took care of all playback issues on the ZXL decks. Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Tel: 065-65842479 Mobile 065-9339-4693 "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I have not. I got the service manual because I have sort of a project/ pedagogical 700zxl I picked up a while ago. There's things that need to be replaced or repaired in it that can't really be done properly (part of the frame of the mechanism was broken; it also needs a new azimuth wire), but I was curious what could be done. I did have an issue which, as Tom suggested, was a cap with those symptoms on my 1000zxl which does have the same board and it was C104 (or C204, depending on L/R channel). But it could be any one of a number, and one thing I've discovered (as a less than patient and thus maybe slightly ham-fisted de-solderer) is that the Nak board traces seem a bit more fragile than some other things I've done.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 09:39:29 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. In-Reply-To: <045b01c66a62$93c41bc0$6401a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: <20060428073929.46672.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ken, The board I am referring to is the playback board. The new computer boards, which are a clean new design, is currently being tested on my first 1000ZXL machine. The machine is to be shipped to a customer's studio in USA. You can see the machine at : http://photos.yahoo.com/bg3009 . Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Tel: 065-6-5842479 Mobile: 065-9-339-4963 Ken Mashlan wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Bala¡­ Are these the fabled ¡°new¡± replacement boards for the ZXL series??? Ken --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: April 27, 2006 6:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. Hi Kimo and friends, I fired up my second 1000ZXL with MP capacitors in place of the orange caps. So far, it seems good and behaves well. This is a full complement on the plyaback path. There are about 7 or 8 pairs on the playback board and two more on the main board. Another issue which has plauged all 5 ZXL playback boards are the playback amp offset. Its been causing less then optimum playback levels and unbalanced playback levels. I will be putting up a small page on fixing playback woes within the week (there goes my May Day holiday!) These took care of all playback issues on the ZXL decks. Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Tel: 065-65842479 Mobile 065-9339-4693 "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I have not. I got the service manual because I have sort of a project/ pedagogical 700zxl I picked up a while ago. There's things that need to be replaced or repaired in it that can't really be done properly (part of the frame of the mechanism was broken; it also needs a new azimuth wire), but I was curious what could be done. I did have an issue which, as Tom suggested, was a cap with those symptoms on my 1000zxl which does have the same board and it was C104 (or C204, depending on L/R channel). But it could be any one of a number, and one thing I've discovered (as a less than patient and thus maybe slightly ham-fisted de-solderer) is that the Nak board traces seem a bit more fragile than some other things I've done.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Fri Apr 28 20:10:34 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:10:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tyre Message-ID: <44525A9A.3080306@caribsurf.com> Thanks Dean. You say "tyre" - does this mean you sent one, rather than the three I ordered? Regards Paul From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Apr 28 23:18:36 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:18:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. Message-ID: <051E482B-3707-4A7B-97CA-A12CD2F5FD2D@alumni.caltech.edu> I'll be looking forward to seeing that!-kby From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 23:57:58 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:57:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks & IEC EQ In-Reply-To: <005a01c669f2$adaf8080$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060428165758.008204d0@earthlink.net> I am not at all familiar with the IEC reference. Is that the Philips standard, or something else? Nakamichi doesn't specifically name the playback EQ standard, but the do provide playback frequency EQ graphs. Looking at the Dragon, it looks like the same curve used for the 1000, so I doubt they ever altered their EQ. The Philips standard was specified up to 12kHz only. Because there was a slight rise from 10K to 12kHz, Nakamichi extended the rising slope to 20kHz; 20kHz is +4dB above 5kHz. Tandberg and Philips both argued that the 12kHz EQ ought to shelve, rather than rise, so there was a difference in EQ of +2dB at 20kHz. This difference was the source of urban legend and many salesmen's negative pitches when trying to sell-off Naks. tom brucker At 12:04 AM 4/28/06 +1200, you wrote: >>>> "I believe that later decks CR series (except CR-5 & CR-7), DR series, Cassette Deck series have the later IEC standard P/R equalization. I am not positive on this thought. Can anyone confirm or deny this? " Scott, Whilst I cannot confirm or refute whether the later Naks conform to the IEC2 standard, I am aware of this 'urban legend' and am surprised that none of the techo's have chipped in here. What I can say is that tapes recorded on many older Naks such as a 581, my own 582Z, ZX-7,600's etc sound fine when played back via a CR2, CR3 or DR3. The same tapes played back through a typical mainstream deck which would be using the IEC 2 standard sound dull and lack 'air' as anticipated. So, my ears tell me that Nakamichi still clung onto IEC1 as far as 1992, but whether this applies to the last DR8/10 models I don't know, but would be very keen to get a fact based verdict on this!! Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From N4229K at aol.com Sat Apr 29 02:58:09 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:58:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Tyre Message-ID: <24f.9e5b079.31841421@aol.com> I sent what ever you ordered. I send tires out all the time but I remember sent when PayPal was started. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Sat Apr 29 03:08:10 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:08:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak Gear Drive Message-ID: <417.c171f.3184167a@aol.com> Hi Everyone: What would you say is the main cause of take up reel failure in a BX gear drive that causes it to behave like a worn idler tire drive? Regards, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Sat Apr 29 03:13:04 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:13:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk]700ZXL with noisy channel Message-ID: <1ad.4a87a464.318417a0@aol.com> Tom: I have a substitute for a LX 680 etc idler tire. What is the "IT-54" tire?and for what deck?? I go to PRB when I have to. It is not far but very slow there sometimes. I would like to talk soon Dean In a message dated 4/27/2006 11:57:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Dean, I'll send it. I wanted to ponder other PRB needs, to make best use of your PRB time. I am perfectly happy with the IT-54 idler tire for C80635. Isn't everyone? I guess one thing I should check is if there is a PRB number. I want to send a Tandberg round belt, and I'd like to send the tire used in the LX3 /680/580 because that one has no substitute. I'll call you when I have a chance. I have 2 service calls tomorrow. tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 29 15:36:41 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:36:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Gear Drive In-Reply-To: <417.c171f.3184167a@aol.com> References: <417.c171f.3184167a@aol.com> Message-ID: <44536BE9.80002@rcn.com> Depends on what, exactly, you mean by take up reel 'failure'. If it fails to pull tape in during PB but works in FF, I would strongly suspect the reel motor. It's easy to check to see whether the gear idler has a problem. If not, then, again, the reel motor should be tested. -- Ron N4229K at aol.com wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > What would you say is the main cause of take up reel failure in a BX > gear drive that causes it to behave like a worn idler tire drive? > > Regards, > Dean From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Apr 29 17:45:00 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 11:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Gear Drive In-Reply-To: <44536BE9.80002@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060429154501.33213.qmail@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This exact thing happens with my Silver BX-2, which has an idler. Ron a écrit : Depends on what, exactly, you mean by take up reel 'failure'. If it fails to pull tape in during PB but works in FF, I would strongly suspect the reel motor. It's easy to check to see whether the gear idler has a problem. If not, then, again, the reel motor should be tested. -- Ron N4229K at aol.com wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > What would you say is the main cause of take up reel failure in a BX > gear drive that causes it to behave like a worn idler tire drive? > > Regards, > Dean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 19:47:33 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]700ZXL with noisy channel In-Reply-To: <1ad.4a87a464.318417a0@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060429174733.24356.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dean, The idler tire remains mostly unchanged for the classic mechanism I believe. I have an order which I will place with you offline. Regards Bala 79Labs N4229K at aol.com wrote: Tom: I have a substitute for a LX 680 etc idler tire. What is the "IT-54" tire?and for what deck?? I go to PRB when I have to. It is not far but very slow there sometimes. I would like to talk soon Dean In a message dated 4/27/2006 11:57:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Dean, I'll send it. I wanted to ponder other PRB needs, to make best use of your PRB time. I am perfectly happy with the IT-54 idler tire for C80635. Isn't everyone? I guess one thing I should check is if there is a PRB number. I want to send a Tandberg round belt, and I'd like to send the tire used in the LX3 /680/580 because that one has no substitute. I'll call you when I have a chance. I have 2 service calls tomorrow. tom ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 19:50:58 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. In-Reply-To: <051E482B-3707-4A7B-97CA-A12CD2F5FD2D@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060429175058.47832.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am unofficially employed by the Mythbusters team (does that show run in the US?) to prove if the ZXL series is truely unrepairable. Unlike the rest of the team, I do not get to blow things up - certainly not the machines! :) Regards Bala 79Labs "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I'll be looking forward to seeing that!-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 29 21:54:35 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:54:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. In-Reply-To: <20060429175058.47832.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah! Bala rocks! Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 29 April 2006 18:51 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. I am unofficially employed by the Mythbusters team (does that show run in the US?) to prove if the ZXL series is truely unrepairable. Unlike the rest of the team, I do not get to blow things up - certainly not the machines! :) Regards Bala 79Labs "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I'll be looking forward to seeing that!-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 30 02:46:09 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]700ZXL with noisy channel In-Reply-To: <1ad.4a87a464.318417a0@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060430004609.70451.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dean, The IT-54 is the part number for a replacement idler tire compatible with the 0C080635 idler tire assembly used in the Sankyo mechanism decks, BX series, MR-Series, ZX-5, RX-202, CR-5 and CR-7. They are available from HBF Electronics (www.hbfelectronics.com) for $0.25 each, but, shipping is $10 flat fee. I know this tire works because I have used several and have been quietly giving them out to Naktalk members for years. It's the same as the STC.594 I think that's the right number) tire you get from PRB. Scott J. --- N4229K at aol.com wrote: > > Tom: > > I have a substitute for a LX 680 etc idler tire. What is the > "IT-54" > tire?and for what deck?? > I go to PRB when I have to. It is not far but very slow there > sometimes. I > would like to talk soon > Dean > > > In a message dated 4/27/2006 11:57:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: > > Dean, > I'll send it. I wanted to ponder other PRB needs, to make best use > of your > PRB time. I am perfectly happy with the IT-54 idler tire for > C80635. Isn't > everyone? I guess one thing I should check is if there is a PRB > number. I > want to send a Tandberg round belt, and I'd like to send the tire > used in > the LX3 /680/580 because that one has no substitute. > I'll call you when I have a chance. I have 2 service calls > tomorrow. > > tom > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Apr 30 19:54:07 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:54:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Idler re-tire job Message-ID: <057BC4C4-4507-47A0-9184-BAB6B2091230@alumni.caltech.edu> I'd expect methanol to be about the same as isopyl alcohol (isopropanol).-kby g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2006\2006-8.txt ************************************************************************ From danbarham at aol.com Tue Aug 1 01:07:25 2006 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:07:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belt kits Message-ID: <8C8830D3894A514-254-1659@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Greetings all, There's a guy on E-bay who goes by the name thingsnsuch selling belt kits for a bunch of brands decks. He has numerous NAK belt kits going from anywhere from $21.00-$35.00 depending on model. I e-mailed him and asked what is included and are they original NAK belts. He replied and said that each kit includes all belts for whatever model the kit is for and they are OEM sizes but generic. Anybody have any experience with these kits? Good buy? I'm looking to replace all the belts in my 680 and 680ZX. I remember seeing somewhere that the capstan belt for NAK standard transports has to be the exact NAK belt and nothing else or else there will be speed variation problems. Any takers for this question? Thanks. Dan Barham Chicago, Illinois, USA ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Aug 1 03:36:02 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:36:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] www.antechlabs.com- SOURCE FOR ORIGINAL SERVICE MANUALS Message-ID: -- I am not certain whether you are aware of this source for factory original service manuals. From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Tue Aug 1 12:13:19 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:13:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.antechlabs.com- SOURCE FOR ORIGINAL SERVICE MANUALS References: Message-ID: <0eea01c6b553$1ee931f0$b207010a@hurtignok> Thanks - I really need a good source for the Nak manuals I cannot find on the Net or have received from kind NakTalk members :-) To summarize: www.servicemanuals.net did not live up to my expectations concerning quality and neither www.mauritron.com nor www.manuals-in-pdf.com did bother to answer my requests - which I sent twice! But I would prefer a source selling manuals in electronic formats as it is much easier to enlage and make a print of the page you want. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerryjg" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] www.antechlabs.com- SOURCE FOR ORIGINAL SERVICE MANUALS > > > -- I am not certain whether you are aware of this source for factory > original service manuals. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 12:38:40 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belt kits In-Reply-To: <8C8830D3894A514-254-1659@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20060801103840.89541.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MY feeling is that you are going to be disappointed probably with this. Dean who is dealing with Rubber tires would be a better person to solve this vexing issue of ensuring generic belt that would atleast match Nak original belts.He lives near the belt manufacturer and visits personally to get the rubber parts to suite the needs. He regularly posts here in this forum. Finally he is very reasonable. Dean what happened to getting belts to suite original 680/ 58X series belts ( particularly capstan belt)? Kannan danbarham at aol.com wrote: Greetings all, There's a guy on E-bay who goes by the name thingsnsuch selling belt kits for a bunch of brands decks. He has numerous NAK belt kits going from anywhere from $21.00-$35.00 depending on model. I e-mailed him and asked what is included and are they original NAK belts. He replied and said that each kit includes all belts for whatever model the kit is for and they are OEM sizes but generic. Anybody have any experience with these kits? Good buy? I'm looking to replace all the belts in my 680 and 680ZX. I remember seeing somewhere that the capstan belt for NAK standard transports has to be the exact NAK belt and nothing else or else there will be speed variation problems. Any takers for this question? Thanks. Dan Barham Chicago, Illinois, USA --------------------------------- Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 1 13:27:26 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:27:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi and ADS In-Reply-To: <000301c6b4c7$01e34140$348afd54@mc4412> References: <20060415002736.82434.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060801062726.00b2dfc8@pop.earthlink.net> I helieve the connectors are American. DigiKey has a catalog. The problem is you don't have the 2002 power supply! You can set it up in your car though. I will look for a schematic (it probably is online in a 250 or 350 schematic) , but as I recall, there are 2 pins each for power and ground, 2 for left audio and 2 for right. I would search eBay for a 2002 system. I see one every 3 months, and they don't sell for a lot. The 550 does not have the 2002 plug, but it is the exact same deck as the 250. tom brucker At 10:51 PM 7/29/2006 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I proudly own ;) a heavy 550 and a nice 250. >I got a pair of ADS 2002; I'd like to put them to work, but I didn't get the >cables; can someone please tell me how can I rebuild them (connections) and maybe >find the connectors? > >thank you, >Raffaele > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 1 14:57:07 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:57:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi and ADS In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060801062726.00b2dfc8@pop.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c6b569$ffbfc7f0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Can somebody please remind me how to turn off receiving naktalk messages whilst I am away. Shaun From johnn380 at comcast.net Tue Aug 1 15:30:14 2006 From: johnn380 at comcast.net (johnn380 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:30:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] User manual for Onkyo TA-2090 Message-ID: <080120061330.25031.44CF576600058B59000061C72206424613CFC8CC0202080106@comcast.net> ALL, I am trying to find a user Manual for a Onkyo TA-2090...or someone who knows what sequence the manual controls need to follow when setting the deck up for recording. Thanks, John Nelson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Tue Aug 1 15:30:30 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:30:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi and ADS References: <000001c6b569$ffbfc7f0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <001a01c6b56e$ae5c6a80$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Shaun, Go to http://www.naks.com/mailman/options/naktalk Fill in your emailaddress and password. On the next page scroll to "Mail delivery" and check Disabled (and 'Set Globally' if you want it to apply it to other Naks lists) Then scroll down and click "Submit My Changes" Happy Holliday. Best Regards, Per PS: Remember to check enabled when you are home ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Montgomery" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nakamichi and ADS > Can somebody please remind me how to turn off receiving naktalk messages > whilst I am away. > > Shaun > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 1 16:20:07 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:20:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi and ADS In-Reply-To: <001a01c6b56e$ae5c6a80$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <000001c6b575$98012210$7300a8c0@Shaun> Thanks for that. Now all I need to do is pack! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Per Sent: 01 August 2006 14:31 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi and ADS Hi Shaun, Go to http://www.naks.com/mailman/options/naktalk Fill in your emailaddress and password. On the next page scroll to "Mail delivery" and check Disabled (and 'Set Globally' if you want it to apply it to other Naks lists) Then scroll down and click "Submit My Changes" Happy Holliday. Best Regards, Per PS: Remember to check enabled when you are home ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Montgomery" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nakamichi and ADS > Can somebody please remind me how to turn off receiving naktalk > messages whilst I am away. > > Shaun > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1686 (20060801) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:05:57 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belt kits In-Reply-To: <20060801103840.89541.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060801150557.29780.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah. Dean what happened to the classic mechanism capstan belt. I thought you were going to send me a larger belt to test since that FRM9.2 belt is too tight and causes increase wow & flutter as well as speed to run faster. SJ --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > MY feeling is that you are going to be disappointed probably with > this. Dean who is dealing with Rubber tires would be a better > person to solve this vexing issue of ensuring generic belt that > would atleast match Nak original belts.He lives near the belt > manufacturer and visits personally to get the rubber parts to suite > the needs. He regularly posts here in this forum. Finally he is > very reasonable. > Dean what happened to getting belts to suite original 680/ 58X > series belts ( particularly capstan belt)? > > Kannan > danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Greetings all, > > There's a guy on E-bay who goes by the name thingsnsuch selling > belt kits for a bunch of brands decks. He has numerous NAK belt > kits going from anywhere from $21.00-$35.00 depending on model. I > e-mailed him and asked what is included and are they original NAK > belts. He replied and said that each kit includes all belts for > whatever model the kit is for and they are OEM sizes but generic. > Anybody have any experience with these kits? Good buy? I'm looking > to replace all the belts in my 680 and 680ZX. I remember seeing > somewhere that the capstan belt for NAK standard transports has to > be the exact NAK belt and nothing else or else there will be speed > variation problems. Any takers for this question? Thanks. > > Dan Barham > Chicago, Illinois, USA > > --------------------------------- > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, > email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 19:28:03 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belt kits In-Reply-To: <8C8830D3894A514-254-1659@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20060801172803.25519.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just emailed him asking about the Capstan belt for the LX-3/LX-5. Below are my question and his reply. My question: The capstan belt in this kit. Is it an original Nakamichi belt? Or is it that FRM9.2 belt that PRB recommends because the FRM9.2 DOES NOT WORK RIGHT. It causes increased tape speed (which is correctable) and increased WOW & Flutter which pushes the deck out of spec. His reply: Hello, you are exactly right. The belt I supply for the LX3 and LX5, has a smaller cross section and wall and is precision molded. I'm not sure if he answered my question or not. --- danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Greetings all, > > There's a guy on E-bay who goes by the name thingsnsuch selling > belt kits for a bunch of brands decks. He has numerous NAK belt > kits going from anywhere from $21.00-$35.00 depending on model. I > e-mailed him and asked what is included and are they original NAK > belts. He replied and said that each kit includes all belts for > whatever model the kit is for and they are OEM sizes but generic. > Anybody have any experience with these kits? Good buy? I'm looking > to replace all the belts in my 680 and 680ZX. I remember seeing > somewhere that the capstan belt for NAK standard transports has to > be the exact NAK belt and nothing else or else there will be speed > variation problems. Any takers for this question? Thanks. > > Dan Barham > Chicago, Illinois, USA > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, > email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From N4229K at aol.com Tue Aug 1 19:38:05 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:38:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belt kits Message-ID: <31d.832bd29.3200eb7d@aol.com> Hi SJ: No have not forgotton but am finally moving back into my haouse so sometime in Sept will be up and running again. I got you the belt but it got filed and packed by the wife. Regards Dean Yeah. Dean what happened to the classic mechanism capstan belt. I thought you were going to send me a larger belt to test since that FRM9.2 belt is too tight and causes increase wow & flutter as well as speed to run faster. SJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Tue Aug 1 19:56:01 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:56:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belt kits Message-ID: <248.4c7eff00.3200efb1@aol.com> There is a Guy on ebay from time to time in the Boston area that sells kits also. (not ESL) I wonder if his kits contain tires? Dean In a message dated 8/1/2006 2:59:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: Greetings all, There's a guy on E-bay who goes by the name thingsnsuch selling belt kits for a bunch of brands decks. He has numerous NAK belt kits going from anywhere from $21.00-$35.00 depending on model. I e-mailed him and asked what is included and are they original NAK belts. He replied and said that each kit includes all belts for whatever model the kit is for and they are OEM sizes but generic. Anybody have any experience with these kits? Good buy? I'm looking to replace all the belts in my 680 and 680ZX. I remember seeing somewhere that the capstan belt for NAK standard transports has to be the exact NAK belt and nothing else or else there will be speed variation problems. Any takers for this question? Thanks. Dan Barham Chicago, Illinois, USA ____________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Wed Aug 2 18:46:30 2006 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:46:30 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Potential problem with CR-7E In-Reply-To: <8C88276A28DD0F7-AE0-EA5D@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <44CB6C5F.7060901@otenet.gr> <8C88276A28DD0F7-AE0-EA5D@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <44D0D6E6.2060209@otenet.gr> Hi Nick and thanks for the advise It appears i did some damage, fortunately not to my good old Nak 600, recordings, but still some good ones were damaged... Now i know! Cheers Emmanuel modernizy at netscape.net wrote: > Hi, Emmanuel, > > It could be too far-fetched but anyway: > > You should do the auto calibration process only ONCE, just before you > record at the particular cassette. If you start auto calibration on > the RECORDED cassette, the deck will ERASE the recorded signal (i.e. > music) and you'll have this kind of interruption you are talking > about. NEVER try auto calibration on the cassette at which you have > some valuable recordings - you'll damage the recording irrevocably. > Auto calibration only fine-tunes the deck for recording, not playback. > > With the very best wishes, > > Nick. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Emmanuel Komninos > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:10:39 +0300 > Subject: [naktalk] Potential problem with CR-7E > > Having recently purchased from ebay (Germany) a CR7E i took it to my > technician for a general check out and the results were good. I only > had to change an idler tyre and decided to go on with the update on > the auto calibration process since the decks serial was before that. > Everything seem to work fine except one small problem that i encounter > when i playback a tape on which i have previously performed an auto > calibration. I know that this process is not for playback, but only > for recording, but i believe that it in any case it should not happen. > To be exact, after about 5-7 seconds of playback i hear, from both > channels, a test tone noise (beep like electronic sound) which lasts > about 3-5 secs repeats itsself! twice -even though the second is not > as loud as the first- and then the music comes back like nothing > happened! This is happening in every kind/type of pre-recorded tape > only when i perform an auto calibration before playback...I have no > idea whether this shows any kind of damage inside the electronic parts > of the deck nor have i any idea if by performing the calibration on a > prerecorded tape makes any difference - probably it does not- but i > would appreciate any kind of advice from our NAK Gurus out there if > this is something neglectable or should i take back to the "doctor". > Any thought is welcomed > Manos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http:/! /www.naks.com/register > > ========------------------! -------- > -------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From DM2 at marctronixx.com Thu Aug 3 12:55:02 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 06:55:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Recommend a good way to set up bias on the RX-505 In-Reply-To: <44D0D6E6.2060209@otenet.gr> Message-ID: ALL, Just purchased a 505 about 2 months ago and now I have time to sit and play with it. I have some TDK MA-XG's and id like to set up the bias for these tapes. Can someone give recommend a procedure to set the bias? I was thinking of just playing the material, listening to it between source <-> tape mode and adjust until it sounds as good as the source. I don't have any test equipment and don't plan to purchase any... so a good down and dirty way would suffice. Thanks all in advance.... From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Aug 3 14:19:30 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:19:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Recommend a good way to set up bias on the RX-505 References: Message-ID: <000a01c6b6f7$1c978ff0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, I am not an expert but your idea sounds right to me. As long as you choose som music with a high frequency content / treble as this is the area in which bias works. Good luck. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "DM2" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] Recommend a good way to set up bias on the RX-505 > ALL, > Just purchased a 505 about 2 months ago and now I have time to sit and play > with it. I have some TDK MA-XG's and id like to set up the bias for these > tapes. > > Can someone give recommend a procedure to set the bias? I was thinking of > just playing the material, listening to it between source <-> tape mode and > adjust until it sounds as good as the source. I don't have any test > equipment and don't plan to purchase any... so a good down and dirty way > would suffice. > > Thanks all in advance.... > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paulcar at caribsurf.com Thu Aug 3 14:25:20 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:25:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re Bias for Rx505 Message-ID: <44D1EB30.60201@caribsurf.com> If you are going to use your ears to determine the optimum adjustment, I suggest you use white noise as the signal (the noise on FM with the mute off will do).... Paul C From DM2 at marctronixx.com Thu Aug 3 17:10:42 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:10:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re Bias for Rx505 In-Reply-To: <44D1EB30.60201@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: Good ideas all. Thanks.... From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 3 19:51:08 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:51:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re Bias for Rx505 Message-ID: <92C8A216-25CD-4DBE-9E5A-67822664288D@alumni.caltech.edu> FM interstation hiss is a good test, but be aware that you will likely not get it to sound perfectly the same--it's a pretty brutal test. You need to also do it at -20db for that, not 0db. If it does seem you can get it identical too easily at -20db (depends on the rest of your system including your ears), then -10db should be more than sufficient--if there's no difference there then something's wrong. On a more academic not, I thought I remembered it being closer to pink rather than white noise, but that's kind of fuzzy. I wouldn't mind the more technically elite reminding me.-kby From jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 6 19:43:38 2006 From: jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 13:43:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 42, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <200608031002.k73A1SED023140@zxe.naks.com> References: <200608031002.k73A1SED023140@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <44D62A4A.9060307@bellsouth.net> If anyone would be interested in purchasing any of the following please contact me offlist jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net BX - 100 new idler 550 portable - Sank tuned / June 2002 CR-3a CR-5a / might consider trade for 4a Sony TCK- 850ES ================================ I seem to remember someone mentioning a good repair center for Naks somewhere in Canada. If someone remembers it please mention it. Aside from ESL where are US decks going for reliable reasonably priced repairs these days? Where is the first place to look in a 670zx for a VU meter that doesn't work? Machine sounds absolutely awesome on playback - my prerecorded tapes have it so good. Need to fully check the record function though. Editable Sacriledge I'd be interested in some recording software with an easy to use interface. I may not have looked far enough but I'm wondering why no one has modeled classic control panels / faceplates with updated features to control such software - seems like it would be an easy sell. Please respond offlist. Any input welcome From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 7 17:39:42 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:39:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 42, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <44D62A4A.9060307@bellsouth.net> References: <200608031002.k73A1SED023140@zxe.naks.com> <200608031002.k73A1SED023140@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060807103942.0082fc20@earthlink.net> Stanley, Is the idler rubber tire or gear? I offer Nak repairs...the older the better. Why not disconnect the one wire from the dead meter and then measure the meter resistance with an ohm meter. If resistance is measured (probably a few thousand ohms), and the meter needle doesn't move, the the problem is mechanical in the meter bearing. If the needle moves your deck has an electronic problem. Clean the monitor switch first. tom brucker At 01:43 PM 8/6/06 -0400, Stanley P. Pickens wrote: >If anyone would be interested in purchasing any of the following please >contact me offlist > jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net > >BX - 100 new idler >550 portable - Sank tuned / June 2002 >CR-3a >CR-5a / might consider trade for 4a >Sony TCK- 850ES >================================ > >I seem to remember someone mentioning a good repair center for Naks >somewhere in Canada. >If someone remembers it please mention it. Aside from ESL where are US >decks going for reliable reasonably priced repairs these days? > >Where is the first place to look in a 670zx for a VU meter that doesn't >work? Machine sounds absolutely awesome on playback - my prerecorded >tapes have it so good. Need to fully check the record function though. > >Editable Sacriledge >I'd be interested in some recording software with an easy to use >interface. I may not have looked far enough but I'm wondering why no one >has modeled classic control panels / faceplates with updated features to >control such software - seems like it would be an easy sell. Please >respond offlist. > >Any input welcome > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Aug 7 20:45:19 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:45:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Cam Twitcher Message-ID: <000c01c6ba51$a39b9e80$b8d217c4@home> A friend who acquired a BX300 from some while back started to get problems with it after enjoying fantastic Nak sound on it for quite some time.As I was the previous owner he asked me to sort it out for him!! Symtons:1)Some months ago it would go automatically into record mode on playback unless you held the play button for a longer time! After some weeks this problem disappeared.( I mention this as it may be part of the problem) some time thereafter; 2)It would unravel a tape on playback.I replaced the idler tyre and this problem disappeared as well. again some time thereafter and currently: 3)On closing the cassette well door and engaging play or record or ffw,rew etc It would not butt an inch.I removed the Cam motor (Not cutting the feed wires) opened it up and cleaned the comutators and brushes with 1000 emery paper.Greased(very very little grease) and assembled and refitted it and cleaned the contact switches with the fine paper.The machine worked with all functions(at least it moved the tape correctly).After two or so tests,it started not to move,the tape mechanism would not come up and one could not open the cassette door!In addition a distinct 'electric overheating smell 'could be smelled--not very strongly though!) and the Cam motor would twitch(as if trying to engage) at regular intervals when in this state! As I got a box full of BX 150 and CR1 tape drives from Germany recently I replaced the Cam motor from the vast selection at my disposal.Hey presto the tapes moved etc(well not straight away-- I first had to fiddle with the Cam contacts first!) unfortunatly soon thereafter the whole story would not move the tapes ,lift the mechanism,release the closed door on switch off or otherwise.AND the Cam motor started to twitch again! The play light on the button would revert to pause on its own(It did this with the previous cam motor in place as well) Does one have to exactly prealign the cam switches(and not that one just reassembles the darn thing to the mechanism---which one cant do if the contact switch arms etc are not sitting in the cam recesses). HELP please! Walter PS as a matter if interest on all the tapedrives from ex repair shop in Germany ALL the contact switches( the switch that is activated directly by opening or closure of the cassette well door viz not the cam switches) had the wires disconnected from the contact switch and short soldered to one another .Why? On the BX300 this switch is so small and delicate and I believe badly fitted as it seems to nearly hang in the air.On the lower BX series it seems to be more robust(these were also cut and short soldered however) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 23:08:20 2006 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Are you there? - How about a microphone question? In-Reply-To: <001001c6bbe5$e048f360$3fd117c4@home> Message-ID: <20060809210820.86798.qmail@web50513.mail.yahoo.com> OK, I'll come out of lurk mode. I plan to do a few days recording playing a grand piano and was looking at Kermit's web page for mic recommendations. From what I picked up, the best, and yet affordable, mics on his list for piano are no longer made. I'll do some recording with a 700zxl so I can do 3 mics directly. I'll also use a Revox A77 if it gets back from the shop in time. With those recorders, do any of you have a recommendation? Also, a not too costly mixer/preamp for mic if someone thinks there is something I should try. (For price limits, say a Shure mic is probably OK, but not an Earthworks since a pair is in to 4 figures:-) Thanks! fripp_em --- drewes wrote: > Naktalk why dont I receive you--what have I done? > Please comeback! > Walter> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 10 00:23:56 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:23:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Are you there? - How about a microphone question? In-Reply-To: <20060809210820.86798.qmail@web50513.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001001c6bbe5$e048f360$3fd117c4@home> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060809172356.0082e280@earthlink.net> Well, If you can't find Nakamichi CM700s :)) with omni capsules, try something radical. Beyer made some small omni dynamic mics that sound wonderful. One reason piano is difficult to record is that the transients are loud and make a strong contribution to the timbre. Any peak distortion or compression takes the life out of a piano. Choose mics with the smallest capsule you can find. The Shures are large capsule. Beyer omnis work in any position. Balance room sound by adjusting the distance from the piano. There was a testing lab in Nashville that used Nak CM700 capsules to test blasting caps. They claimed the mic was linear to +175dBa !!! The explosion destroyed the capsule, but it gave an accurate pressure measurement before it died. tom brucker At 02:08 PM 8/9/06 -0700, you wrote: >OK, I'll come out of lurk mode. > >I plan to do a few days recording playing a grand >piano and was looking at Kermit's web page for mic >recommendations. From what I picked up, the best, and >yet affordable, mics on his list for piano are no >longer made. I'll do some recording with a 700zxl so >I can do 3 mics directly. I'll also use a Revox A77 >if it gets back from the shop in time. > >With those recorders, do any of you have a >recommendation? Also, a not too costly mixer/preamp >for mic if someone thinks there is something I should >try. (For price limits, say a Shure mic is probably >OK, but not an Earthworks since a pair is in to 4 >figures:-) > >Thanks! >fripp_em > >--- drewes wrote: > >> Naktalk why dont I receive you--what have I done? >> Please comeback! >> Walter> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 10 01:40:53 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:40:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Are you there? - How about a microphone question? Message-ID: > With those recorders, do any of you have a > recommendation? Also, a not too costly mixer/preamp > for mic if someone thinks there is something I should > try. (For price limits, say a Shure mic is probably > OK, but not an Earthworks since a pair is in to 4 > figures:-) > Um, which of Kermit's pages were you looking at? I couldn't find one with prices, though (other than the 4 figure quote, since I haven't been looking, I don't know what things cost any more). Is this a one time or a long term thing? If it's one time would it be better to rent one? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 10 01:43:11 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:43:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Are you there? Message-ID: Well, I haven't said anything on the cam issue because I don't have anything constructive to say (note that I said 'constructive'). I am guessing the other reason the traffic is low is that all the Europeans are on vacation?-kby From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 02:42:58 2006 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Are you there? - How about a microphone question? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060810004258.71826.qmail@web50514.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, I didn't say Kermit listed any prices. I was looking myself on the web. The doc is Kermit's "Selecting Microphones for the Nakathon or for Any Audiophile Quality Recording" http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/selectingmics.pdf I went through picking out mics he listed as good for piano and the less expensive ones were no longer made. I plan to be doing this many times in the future. Perhaps this one time I should check out a pro sound shop and rent to see what I like. I'll also take a look at Beyerdynamic mics as Tom suggested. Thanks, fripp_em --- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > Um, which of Kermit's pages were you looking at? I > couldn't find one > with prices, though (other than the 4 figure > quote, since I haven't been looking, I don't know > what things cost > any more). Is this a one time or a long term thing? > If it's > one time would it be better to rent one? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tpfinn at btinternet.com Thu Aug 10 09:02:31 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:02:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Are you there? - How about a microphone question? In-Reply-To: <20060809210820.86798.qmail@web50513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060810070231.81005.qmail@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> For Piano, Check out the guys at Applied microphone Technology www.appliedmicrophone.com Regards T. fripp_em wrote: OK, I'll come out of lurk mode. I plan to do a few days recording playing a grand piano and was looking at Kermit's web page for mic recommendations. From what I picked up, the best, and yet affordable, mics on his list for piano are no longer made. I'll do some recording with a 700zxl so I can do 3 mics directly. I'll also use a Revox A77 if it gets back from the shop in time. With those recorders, do any of you have a recommendation? Also, a not too costly mixer/preamp for mic if someone thinks there is something I should try. (For price limits, say a Shure mic is probably OK, but not an Earthworks since a pair is in to 4 figures:-) Thanks! fripp_em --- drewes wrote: > Naktalk why dont I receive you--what have I done? > Please comeback! > Walter> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Thu Aug 10 09:32:47 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:32:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] For Trade only- Nak. RX 303 AAA+++ Message-ID: Cutting loose one of my three Nak Rx-303 Auto-reverse tape decks in excellent condition. That is if I can find someone who has something interesting in the way of Audio gear. I'm taking advantage of this lull in the action to be bored and want to just see what offers I get. Anything and everything entertained, as long as it has to do with something that could concievably be in the chain of the Nak audio- headphones, headphone amp,R2R,Other brand decks, preamp,Tuner etc. I wouldn't put this on Ebuy. -- From bphipps at ucalgary.ca Thu Aug 10 20:34:56 2006 From: bphipps at ucalgary.ca (Barry Phipps) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:34:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 for sale Message-ID: <44DB7C50.2040703@ucalgary.ca> I have a Nakamichi 480 2-Head Cassette Deck that I purchased in 1982. Used moderately for the first 6 years, stored safely at room temperature since then. It is in superb condition, however there is intermittent loss of high frequencies when playing 90 min tapes (mostly near the beginning of the tape, and 60 min tapes are fine) probably due to slippage at high torque. Professional audio repair shop cleaned and adjusted deck, which significantly decreased the problem but it still occurs to some degree with some tapes. The shop advised me that the problem could be eliminated by replacing the rollers/tires (? - not sure of correct terminology). After some agonizing I have decided to sell the deck, so if you have the skills to fix it and are interested, please email me at bphipps at ucalgary.ca. I will happily provide detailed pictures. Barry From jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 10 23:57:00 2006 From: jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:57:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 42, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <200608101001.k7AA1KcM005930@zxe.naks.com> References: <200608101001.k7AA1KcM005930@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <44DBABAC.8060006@bellsouth.net> fripp em, I've used two pzm mics mounted on a pair of large 3-4 foot panels joined at the edge and gotten reasonable results.The seperation can be adjusted to suit by varying the angle between the panels, the mics can be had off ebay for cheap, there are some mods you can track down off the net for better performance. I've got an article out of an old Hampton's Tape deck mag with specifics for using the crown pro models( couldn't afford them at the time) on pianos and other instruments. I can scan and send if your interested. Finally hooked up the 670zx for recording and everything is great. The right meter vibrates a little but still doesn't move much. Otherwise it's fine. Reminds me of the 700ZXL I should have never parted with. If anyones interested in TDK metal tapes MA60's,90's and 110's let me know off list please. I'm also curious if anyone is still on the list that got some of the Sony Metal ES when I got hold of them several years ago. If you don't mind my asking , what did you wind up putting on them? Stan P. From marc at stager.com Fri Aug 11 00:28:22 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:28:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 42, Issue 7 Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060810182816.02b69468@stager.com> >I plan to do a few days recording playing a grand piano >and was looking at Kermit's web page for mic >recommendations. From what I picked up, the best, >and yet affordable, mics on his list for piano are no >longer made. I'll do some recording with a 700zxl so >I can do 3 mics directly. I'll also use a Revox A77 >if it gets back from the shop in time. > >With those recorders, do any of you have a recommendation? >Also, a not too costly mixer/preamp for mic if someone thinks >there is something I should try. (For price limits, say a >Shure mic is probably OK, but not an Earthworks since a pair >is in to 4 figures:-) > >Thanks! >fripp_em For classical piano, a good large-cap condenser not too close - This is a Neumann U-87 at a concert in Central Park which was also recorded for broadcast on WQXR. Marshall's MXL 2006 and 2003 also do a surprisingly fine job on a concert grand at a fraction of the price. Picture taken during rehearsal: http://www.naumburgconcerts.org/gallery/2006/7-11-d.htm For a closer jazz/pop piano sound, a Shure SM-81 or similar small-cap mic works well - listen for the sweet spot - usually above the second sound back from the keyboard, about 4 inches above the harp. maybe a second one placed further to the left and rear for the bass keys. Mixer? I like the sound of Allan & Heaths, even the cheaper models like the Mix Wizards. Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ From marc at stager.com Fri Aug 11 17:33:48 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:33:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 42, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <200608111000.k7BA0Wwn014476@zxe.naks.com> References: <200608111000.k7BA0Wwn014476@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060811112449.02c27308@stager.com> Stanley P. Pickens mentioned PZM's - I've also used them successfully in pianos taped under the lid securely with genuine gaffing tape so as not to damage the finish or leave a sticky residue. Even on an upright piano, you can get a decent sound with one or two under the lid. The live use of a Neumann demanded a relatively close placement of the mic to avoid feedback. (The tall mics are only for recording). To capture the natural room sound of a concert hall, it is better to have it ten or fifteen feet away. Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ > >I plan to do a few days recording playing a grand piano > >and was looking at Kermit's web page for mic > >recommendations. From what I picked up, the best, > >and yet affordable, mics on his list for piano are no > >longer made. I'll do some recording with a 700zxl so > >I can do 3 mics directly. I'll also use a Revox A77 > >if it gets back from the shop in time. > > > >With those recorders, do any of you have a recommendation? > >Also, a not too costly mixer/preamp for mic if someone thinks > >there is something I should try. (For price limits, say a > >Shure mic is probably OK, but not an Earthworks since a pair > >is in to 4 figures:-) > > > >Thanks! > >fripp_em > >For classical piano, a good large-cap condenser not too close - >This is a Neumann U-87 at a concert in Central Park which was also >recorded for broadcast on WQXR. Marshall's MXL 2006 and 2003 also >do a surprisingly fine job on a concert grand at a fraction of the price. >Picture taken during rehearsal: >http://www.naumburgconcerts.org/gallery/2006/7-11-d.htm > >For a closer jazz/pop piano sound, a Shure SM-81 or similar small-cap >mic works well - listen for the sweet spot - usually above the second >sound hole back from the keyboard, about 4 inches above the harp, >maybe a second one placed further to the left and rear for the bass keys. From jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 11 18:17:54 2006 From: jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:17:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 42, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <200608111000.k7BA0Wwm014476@zxe.naks.com> References: <200608111000.k7BA0Wwm014476@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <44DCADB2.7060900@bellsouth.net> Might want to check this out. Mic buy direct from China. If it goes thru may be good discount on some decent sounding mics. Review the posts within the page after subscribing to the group for more details.... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Great_Microphone_Import/ last email text - Hi Corey, Chance has got a firm price and a commitment from China. The "Peoples Hi-Tech Import Group non-profit Society Trading Company" or PHIGS for short. should be paper trained and ready to accept orders within 2-3 weeks I suspect. Stan P. From covellite at cox.net Sun Aug 13 06:39:44 2006 From: covellite at cox.net (Michael W. Brewster) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:39:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem Idler Wheel? Message-ID: <44DEAD10.4090907@cox.net> I just bought a Nak BX-300 on eBay and, upon the first 10 minutes or so of testing, it worked fine and I sent +++ feedback on eBay. However, a couple days later, I got around to running an entire cassette tape and noticed that, after getting through about half the tqpe, the deck would stop in mid-play about every 3 to 5 minutes. Each time I checked the cassette tape and noticed that about 1 to 2 inches of tape were protruding from the cassette, and had to be rolled back in. I have heard of the famous idler wheel problem and ordered a couple of fix-its off eBay from Jeff Galin at Nakamichi.us, hoping this is the problem. I emailed Jeff and he indicated that it could be an idler wheel problem or a reel motor problem. I haven't received the new wheels yet, so I'm not sure if this will be the fix. The deck is in good cosmetic shape and I would like to save it, since the reviews out there in e-land rate this deck pretty high sonically. So, I 'm just looking for as much feedback as I can get get from anyone who has experienced the same symptoms with their Nak BXs, and as to what ended up being the solution. Any suggestions? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Sun Aug 13 12:21:43 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:21:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem Idler Wheel? Message-ID: <35f.a5dc542.32105737@aol.com> I would say that its a 90% chance its the tire but how does it do when in wind or rewind when the take up reel has the maximum amount of tape on it? If it shuts down or goes very slow this confirms my above theory. Do 3 round trips with the wind rewind of a 90 min tape and try playing again and this may do a temporary cure until you can replace the tire. Regards, Dean PS I guess you forgot I sell tires to members of naktalk at a discount with shipping included. Maybe next time? In a message dated 8/13/2006 4:43:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, covellite at cox.net writes: I just bought a Nak BX-300 on eBay and, upon the first 10 minutes or so of testing, it worked fine and I sent +++ feedback on eBay. However, a couple days later, I got around to running an entire cassette tape and noticed that, after getting through about half the tqpe, the deck would stop in mid-play about every 3 to 5 minutes. Each time I checked the cassette tape and noticed that about 1 to 2 inches of tape were protruding from the cassette, and had to be rolled back in. I have heard of the famous idler wheel problem and ordered a couple of fix-its off eBay from Jeff Galin at Nakamichi.us, hoping this is the problem. I emailed Jeff and he indicated that it could be an idler wheel problem or a reel motor problem. I haven't received the new wheels yet, so I'm not sure if this will be the fix. The deck is in good cosmetic shape and I would like to save it, since the reviews out there in e-land rate this deck pretty high sonically. So, I 'm just looking for as much feedback as I can get get from anyone who has experienced the same symptoms with their Nak BXs, and as to what ended up being the solution. Any suggestions? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Sun Aug 13 13:25:51 2006 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:25:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 stops playing. Problem Idler Wheel? Message-ID: <200608131126.k7DBQ06M025989@zxe.naks.com> Michael, To test whether the idler wheel or the reel motor is the culprit do as follows. Remove cassette door. Close the door and start PLAY mode. The take up reel should be moving now (and capstans and rollers). Take the take up reel between fingers to feel the torque with which it is pulling. If it immediately stops with almost no force and it still feels like it is being driven, your idler is shot. (Automatic shut off will commence within a second). If it feels strong (strong enough to pull the inside of a cassette reel) and finally stops when grabbing harder and at that point feels completely dead, it is your reel motor. Idler Problem: Clean with rubber revitalizer or replace (best). Reel motor Problem: You can adjust the reel motor torque a little (see service manual, for example from Thomas Larsson site) which might help. Keep it in auto repeat for a day to clean the motor after adjustment and it might run for a while. Succes, Henk Schenk http://nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl ***** From: "Michael W. Brewster" Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem Idler Wheel? To: naktalk at naks.com I just bought a Nak BX-300 on eBay and, upon the first 10 minutes or so of testing, it worked fine and I sent +++ feedback on eBay. However, a couple days later, I got around to running an entire cassette tape and noticed that, after getting through about half the tqpe, the deck would stop in mid-play about every 3 to 5 minutes. Each time I checked the cassette tape and noticed that about 1 to 2 inches of tape were protruding from the cassette, and had to be rolled back in. I have heard of the famous idler wheel problem and ordered a couple of fix-its off eBay from Jeff Galin at Nakamichi.us, hoping this is the problem. I emailed Jeff and he indicated that it could be an idler wheel problem or a reel motor problem. I haven't received the new wheels yet, so I'm not sure if this will be the fix. The deck is in good cosmetic shape and I would like to save it, since the reviews out there in e-land rate this deck pretty high sonically. So, I 'm just looking for as much feedback as I can get get from anyone who has experienced the same symptoms with their Nak BXs, and as to what ended up being the solution. Any suggestions? ***** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From covellite at cox.net Sun Aug 13 21:39:16 2006 From: covellite at cox.net (Michael W. Brewster) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:39:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 stops playing. Problem Idler Wheel? In-Reply-To: <200608131126.k7DBQ06M025989@zxe.naks.com> References: <200608131126.k7DBQ06M025989@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <44DF7FE4.9070203@cox.net> Thanks very much for the tips. I will check it out. Much appreciated. - Mike ScHenk wrote: > Michael, > > > > To test whether the idler wheel or the reel motor is the culprit do as > follows. > > Remove cassette door. Close the door and start PLAY mode. The take up > reel should be moving now (and capstans and rollers). Take the take up > reel between fingers to feel the torque with which it is pulling. If > it immediately stops with almost no force and it still feels like it > is being driven, your idler is shot. (Automatic shut off will commence > within a second). If it feels strong (strong enough to pull the inside > of a cassette reel) and finally stops when grabbing harder and at that > point feels completely dead, it is your reel motor. > > > > Idler Problem: > > Clean with rubber revitalizer or replace (best). > > > > Reel motor Problem: > > You can adjust the reel motor torque a little (see service manual, for > example from Thomas Larsson site) which might help. Keep it in auto > repeat for a day to clean the motor after adjustment and it might run > for a while. > > > > Succes, > > Henk Schenk > > http://nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl > > > > ***** > > From: "Michael W. Brewster" > > Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem Idler Wheel? > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > I just bought a Nak BX-300 on eBay and, upon the first 10 minutes or > so of testing, it worked fine and I sent +++ feedback on eBay. > However, a couple days later, I got around to running an entire > cassette tape and noticed that, after getting through about half the > tqpe, the deck would stop in mid-play about every 3 to 5 minutes. > Each time I checked the cassette tape and noticed that about 1 to 2 > inches of tape were protruding from the cassette, and had to be rolled > back in. I have heard of the famous idler wheel problem and ordered a > couple of fix-its off eBay from Jeff Galin at Nakamichi.us, hoping > this is the problem. I emailed Jeff and he indicated that it could be > an idler wheel problem or a reel motor problem. I haven't received > the new wheels yet, so I'm not sure if this will be the fix. The deck > is in good cosmetic shape and I would like to save it, since the > reviews out there in e-land rate this deck pretty high sonically. So, > I 'm just looking for as much feedback as I can get get from anyone > who has experienced the same symptoms with their Nak BXs, and as to > what ended up being the solution. Any suggestions? > > ***** > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From covellite at cox.net Sun Aug 13 22:51:24 2006 From: covellite at cox.net (Michael W. Brewster) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:51:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem Idler Wheel? In-Reply-To: <35f.a5dc542.32105737@aol.com> References: <35f.a5dc542.32105737@aol.com> Message-ID: <44DF90CC.2000101@cox.net> Thanks for the tips. I tried your "3 round trips with the wind rewind of a 90 min tape and try playing again" technique and this seems to have reduced the number of times it shuts off. However, I don't notice any slowing or premature stopping while doing a FF or rewind. I'll keep you in mind about the tires. Thanks again. N4229K at aol.com wrote: > I would say that its a 90% chance its the tire but how does it do when > in wind or rewind when the take up reel has the maximum amount of tape > on it? If it shuts down or goes very slow this confirms my above > theory. Do 3 round trips with the wind rewind of a 90 min tape and > try playing again and this may do a temporary cure until you can > replace the tire. > > Regards, > Dean > > PS I guess you forgot I sell tires to members of naktalk at a discount > with shipping included. Maybe next time? > > > In a message dated 8/13/2006 4:43:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > covellite at cox.net writes: > > I just bought a Nak BX-300 on eBay and, upon the first 10 minutes > or so of testing, it worked fine and I sent +++ feedback on eBay. > However, a couple days later, I got around to running an entire > cassette tape and noticed that, after getting through about half > the tqpe, the deck would stop in mid-play about every 3 to 5 > minutes. Each time I checked the cassette tape and noticed that > about 1 to 2 inches of tape were protruding from the cassette, and > had to be rolled back in. I have heard of the famous idler wheel > problem and ordered a couple of fix-its off eBay from Jeff Galin > at Nakamichi.us, hoping this is the problem. I emailed Jeff and > he indicated that it could be an idler wheel problem or a reel > motor problem. I haven't received the new wheels yet, so I'm not > sure if this will be the fix. The deck is in good cosmetic shape > and I would like to save it, since the reviews out there in e-land > rate this deck pretty high sonically. So, I 'm just looking for as > much feedback as I can get get from anyone who has experienced the > same symptoms with their Nak BXs, and as to what ended up being > the solution. Any suggestions? > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tony.Gibson1 at uk.ibm.com Mon Aug 14 14:12:00 2006 From: Tony.Gibson1 at uk.ibm.com (Tony Gibson1) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:12:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tony Gibson1/UK/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 14/08/2006 and will not return until 15/08/2006. I will respond on my return My mail will not be monitored From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Mon Aug 14 14:52:27 2006 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:52:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 670 ZX Message-ID: <44E0720B.4070609@bluewin.ch> Hi folks Just saw that device for sale on auction with www.ricardo.ch, auction-no. 410387197. End of auction is on saturday 3:01 pm. Starting price is 100 CHF (about 80.- US$) Franz From ylombard at voila.fr Tue Aug 15 09:54:40 2006 From: ylombard at voila.fr (ylombard at voila.fr) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:54:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 670 ZX Message-ID: <1353972.1155628480319.JavaMail.www@wwinf4001> Hello Franz, I don't read german but I'm the owner since 1980 of a 670 ZX. I can tell you that for me this a very good and reliable device. I haven't had any problem with it, except for the well-known "hardened grease" syndrom. I don't think I would sell it for 80$ Not so many people have bought 670 ZX, but I'm sure that this is one of the best quality/price value for Nakamichi. Good luck > Message du 14/08/06 à 18h15 > De : "Franz A. Riedlinger" > A : "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Copie à : > Objet : [naktalk] Nakamichi 670 ZX > > Hi folks > Just saw that device for sale on auction with www.ricardo.ch, > auction-no. 410387197. > End of auction is on saturday 3:01 pm. Starting price is 100 CHF (about > 80.- US$) > Franz > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Tue Aug 15 16:26:10 2006 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:26:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 670 ZX In-Reply-To: <1353972.1155628480319.JavaMail.www@wwinf4001> References: <1353972.1155628480319.JavaMail.www@wwinf4001> Message-ID: <44E1D982.6090505@bluewin.ch> Hello ylombard Sorry, I'm not the seller of the device. I found it per hazard with ricardo and thought somebody of the community could be interested. If it is so, try to contact the seller in English or French. Very much people in Switzerland can communicate in both languages. I myself have a Nakamichi dragon, a B&O Beocord 8004 and a Pioneer CT 447. Franz ylombard at voila.fr schrieb: > Hello Franz, > I don't read german but I'm the owner since 1980 of a 670 ZX. > I can tell you that for me this a very good and reliable device. > I haven't had any problem with it, except for the well-known > "hardened grease" syndrom. > I don't think I would sell it for 80$ > Not so many people have bought 670 ZX, but I'm sure that this is > one of the best quality/price value for Nakamichi. > Good luck > > > >> Message du 14/08/06 à 18h15 >> De : "Franz A. Riedlinger" >> A : "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Copie à : >> Objet : [naktalk] Nakamichi 670 ZX >> >> Hi folks >> Just saw that device for sale on auction with www.ricardo.ch, >> auction-no. 410387197. >> End of auction is on saturday 3:01 pm. Starting price is 100 CHF (about >> 80.- US$) >> Franz >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ady at spamcop.net Thu Aug 17 20:57:10 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:57:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680 record problem.. Message-ID: <871BFD2C-F29E-4E77-AE63-FAA7537E9179@spamcop.net> hi.. I've just discovered my 680 has a recording problem: I get good meter readings when monitoring source but nothing is recorded to tape.. The calibration tone is not recorded either, suggesting an internal fault. Tapes previously recorded seem to play back fine. Several months ago I unstuck a stuck capstan lever, changed the auto stop bulb and replaced the cam and counter belts, for which I removed the transport. Everything went back together fine though and it has worked fine since then. Are there any areas I should look at first? I'm thinking one of the several connectors from the transport / head to the PCB's or the record head connections. Is this usually a problem area? I've had to go back to using my Walkman D6C, so it's not too bad yet! Many thanks adrian From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 17 21:15:28 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:15:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680 record problem.. In-Reply-To: <871BFD2C-F29E-4E77-AE63-FAA7537E9179@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060817141528.0082c2a0@earthlink.net> orange caps in the bias oscillator short, burning open a fuse resistor. tom brucker At 07:57 PM 8/17/06 +0100, Adrian Finn wrote: >hi.. > >I've just discovered my 680 has a recording problem: > >I get good meter readings when monitoring source but nothing is >recorded to tape.. The calibration tone is not recorded either, >suggesting an internal fault. > >Tapes previously recorded seem to play back fine. > >Several months ago I unstuck a stuck capstan lever, changed the auto >stop bulb and replaced the cam and counter belts, for which I removed >the transport. > >Everything went back together fine though and it has worked fine >since then. > >Are there any areas I should look at first? I'm thinking one of the >several connectors from the transport / head to the PCB's or the >record head connections. Is this usually a problem area? > >I've had to go back to using my Walkman D6C, so it's not too bad yet! > > >Many thanks > >adrian > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Aug 17 22:35:06 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:35:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] new list: decktalk Message-ID: <44E4D2FA.1030103@xs4all.nl> For those of you who want to talk about any cassette deck of any brand i've created a new list: decktalk at vintagecassette.com What naktalk is/was for Naks.com decktalk could become for Vintagecassette.com. Subscribe here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/decktalk Wouter From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Thu Aug 17 22:38:33 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:38:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Level Indicators:- some advice please Message-ID: I wonder if someone could offer some advice please with regards to the level indicators on a 680ZX. There is an intermittent fault where the indicators stop responding to the signal from the tape during play. Everything else is fine, all segments lit etc. but there is no response on either channel. I assume a poor connection somewhere, but having only just purchased the deck I am reluctant to open it up in case it has to go back. The fact that both channels are affected would suggest that this is something reasonably general. I have not tried to record anything yet and have switched off the deck in case an open circuit could cause further damage. The deck sounds really excellent and all mechanical functions perform faultlessly so far. Thanks. Doug Locke. From johnn380 at comcast.net Thu Aug 17 22:57:52 2006 From: johnn380 at comcast.net (johnn380 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:57:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Level Indicators:- some advice please Message-ID: <081720062057.18130.44E4D8500002FB41000046D22200750784CFC8CC0202080106@comcast.net> I have a 680zx that has been doing the same thing. One day they work perfectly the next they start out working then stop then come on again. The last three days they have worked perfectly... Other than that the deck works and sounds flawlessly. John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Doug Locke" > I wonder if someone could offer some advice please with regards to the level > indicators on a 680ZX. There is an intermittent fault where the indicators > stop responding to the signal from the tape during play. Everything else is > fine, all segments lit etc. but there is no response on either channel. I > assume a poor connection somewhere, but having only just purchased the deck > I am reluctant to open it up in case it has to go back. The fact that both > channels are affected would suggest that this is something reasonably > general. > I have not tried to record anything yet and have switched off the deck in > case an open circuit could cause further damage. > The deck sounds really excellent and all mechanical functions perform > faultlessly so far. > Thanks. > Doug Locke. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 17 23:31:35 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:31:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Level Indicators:- some advice please Message-ID: Do they have the same issue in source mode just monitoring something (don't actually have to record)?-kby From pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au Fri Aug 18 00:00:12 2006 From: pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:00:12 +1000 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] 680 record problem.. Message-ID: <20060817220012.27669.qmail@web60723.mail.yahoo.com> The problem may be with a burnt out stop or play or record globe (bulb) where the function buttons are, same thing happened to my 582. Check to see if all lights are on. Tom Siomopoulos. --------------------------------- On Yahoo!7 Answers: Real people ask and answer questions on any topic. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Fri Aug 18 00:48:01 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:48:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Level Indicators:- some advice please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Kimo, thanks for helping. I have just tested the deck and found that the level display does not respond to either play, record or just monitoring. One thing I did notice was that in fact an additional bar (one is always lit) on both channels shows when a signal is present and is absent when there is no signal. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: 17 August 2006 22:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Level Indicators:- some advice please Do they have the same issue in source mode just monitoring something (don't actually have to record)?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Aug 18 01:31:05 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:31:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Level Indicators:- some advice please Message-ID: <749D3222-AC0D-49DC-AD40-D8F8EE139E24@alumni.caltech.edu> If the extra bar is the one just above the "lowest" one, that would be 'normal' behaviour for the meter if sort of "no" signal got to it (when the mute is released), as opposed to the meter circuitry itself. I believe I had an orange cap issue on one of the meter boards, but it showed as bad flickering (non-useful display). If you feel reasonably handy with taking things apart and using a dvm I can suggest some places to measure, but I recall I had some issues with close by contacts destroying some minor components if the meter probes slipped a bit to the wrong contact(s) that were really close by (being not as coordinated as it would be nice to be for this kind of work). Tom or Bala may be able to telepathically read something more definitive from the amount of information you already have given than I could.-kby From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Aug 18 10:02:51 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:02:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need Help fixing MR2 .. should be easy Message-ID: Hi all I just got a NAK MR2 and on testing it, i found the playback to be at a higher speed than normal. At first i thought the pinch roller needed cleaning but that didnt help. The pitch adjustment didnt help either. Its not reponding to the pitch adjustment. Secondly, although both channels are playing, the right channel LED segments do not light up. Can anybody tell me more about these and how to solve them ? Thanks and Best Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Discover. Explore. Connect-Windows Live Spaces. Check out! http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/livespaces.asp From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Aug 18 13:49:24 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:49:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need Help fixing MR2 .. should be easy In-Reply-To: <200608181000.k7IA034R010991@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Again Also, i tried pressing the pinch roller against the capstan but that didnt help so there is no problem with the pinch roller tension either. I tried tweaking the pot meter on the Pitch Control PCB but that wasnt of any help. How do i get the speed thing working ? How do i correct the right channel LED bar not powering ? Also, can anybody point me to a resource for getting a service manual for the MR2 somewhere or maybe someone has a online version and is willing to share/sell for a reasonable amount. Thanks and BEst Regards Soumi >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Need Help fixing MR2 .. should be easy >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:02:51 +0000 >Hi all >I just got a NAK MR2 and on testing it, i found the playback to be at a >higher speed than normal. At first i thought the pinch roller needed >cleaning but that didnt help. The pitch adjustment didnt help either. Its >not reponding to the pitch adjustment. > >Secondly, although both channels are playing, the right channel LED >segments do not light up. > >Can anybody tell me more about these and how to solve them ? > >Thanks and Best Regards >Soumi > >_________________________________________________________________ >Discover. Explore. Connect-Windows Live Spaces. Check out! >http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/livespaces.asp > > _________________________________________________________________ The next best thing! Messenger Video Conversation. Click here! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview2000 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 14:46:41 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Need Help fixing MR2 .. should be easy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060818124641.25579.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just check inside whether the cable connecting this pitch control to the motherboard is connected or not? I have not seen inside Mr1 but Bx 300 has similar arrangement- hope it should be a possible problem kannan noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: Hi all I just got a NAK MR2 and on testing it, i found the playback to be at a higher speed than normal. At first i thought the pinch roller needed cleaning but that didnt help. The pitch adjustment didnt help either. Its not reponding to the pitch adjustment. Secondly, although both channels are playing, the right channel LED segments do not light up. Can anybody tell me more about these and how to solve them ? Thanks and Best Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Discover. Explore. Connect-Windows Live Spaces. Check out! http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/livespaces.asp ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 16:49:51 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Need Help fixing MR2 .. should be easy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060818144951.62126.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have found that with MR-1's the pitch control pot is very unreliable. I just pull the cable and it seems to back to what the center detent was set to. If it's still off then you may need to adjust it on the motor itself. --- noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi all > I just got a NAK MR2 and on testing it, i found the playback to be > at a > higher speed than normal. At first i thought the pinch roller > needed > cleaning but that didnt help. The pitch adjustment didnt help > either. Its > not reponding to the pitch adjustment. > > Secondly, although both channels are playing, the right channel LED > segments > do not light up. > > Can anybody tell me more about these and how to solve them ? > > Thanks and Best Regards > Soumi > > _________________________________________________________________ > Discover. Explore. Connect-Windows Live Spaces. Check out! > http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/livespaces.asp > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 18 17:18:58 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:18:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need Help fixing MR2 .. should be easy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060818101858.0083a700@earthlink.net> I have seen modifications which eliminate the pitch control. It was a special control and broke easily, and parts may be impossible to buy. You might pull the cover and look for something non-factory inside. On the meter issue, unplug and plug in all wire harness connectors. Clean with Cramolin DeOxid if available. tom brucker At 08:02 AM 8/18/06 +0000, noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >Hi all >I just got a NAK MR2 and on testing it, i found the playback to be at a >higher speed than normal. At first i thought the pinch roller needed >cleaning but that didnt help. The pitch adjustment didnt help either. Its >not reponding to the pitch adjustment. > >Secondly, although both channels are playing, the right channel LED segments >do not light up. > >Can anybody tell me more about these and how to solve them ? > >Thanks and Best Regards >Soumi > >_________________________________________________________________ >Discover. Explore. Connect-Windows Live Spaces. Check out! >http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/livespaces.asp > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From vseah at singnet.com.sg Fri Aug 18 17:30:25 2006 From: vseah at singnet.com.sg (skseah) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:30:25 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] DR 10 Playback head alignment Message-ID: <44E5DD11.4040602@singnet.com.sg> I understand that you can align the playback head of the DR10. Anyone can tell me how ? Thanks S K From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Aug 18 19:08:59 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:08:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 Speed Problem :: Fix/Solution In-Reply-To: <200608181000.k7IA034R010991@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi everybody Ok, i finally got a solution to the speed adjustment prob. This is a hack since i dont have a service manual but this is what i did : Connect a 4.7k resistor across the minimum & center taps of the pot and probably needs adjusting of the 4.6K trimmer also ... full to the right maybe. just saw the diff and wrote in ... will check and fine tune after i solder it in. POT --|---/\/\/\/\/\----------- | ^ | | |-/\/\/\-| 4.7 K resistor (0.25W/ 5%) Regards Soumi >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Need Help fixing MR2 .. should be easy >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:02:51 +0000 >Hi all >I just got a NAK MR2 and on testing it, i found the playback to be at a >higher speed than normal. At first i thought the pinch roller needed >cleaning but that didnt help. The pitch adjustment didnt help either. Its >not reponding to the pitch adjustment. > >Secondly, although both channels are playing, the right channel LED >segments do not light up. > >Can anybody tell me more about these and how to solve them ? > >Thanks and Best Regards >Soumi > >_________________________________________________________________ >Discover. Explore. Connect-Windows Live Spaces. Check out! >http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/livespaces.asp > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ NRIs: Send Money FREE! Go ahead and register now! http://ads.mediaturf.net/event.ng/Type=click&FlightID=20273&AdID=65989&TargetID=11172&Targets=11172&Values=202,414,1093,1264,3122&Redirect=http:%2F%2Fwww.icicinri.net%2Fmoney2india%2F%3Fm2i%3DBAC-MSN%26att%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR%26rfr%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR From luis at peromarta.org Fri Aug 18 19:52:29 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:52:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DR 10 Playback head alignment In-Reply-To: <44E5DD11.4040602@singnet.com.sg> References: <44E5DD11.4040602@singnet.com.sg> Message-ID: <44E5FE5D.6010304@peromarta.org> Hi S K, You need at least a service manual and a set of calibration tapes. The manual you should be able to find it on the internet (try ebay seller techman777 ) and the calibration tapes I can have a set made for you, see: http://www.peromarta.org/naks/mynaks.html Best rgds. LP. skseah wrote: > I understand that you can align the playback head of the DR10. Anyone > can tell me how ? > Thanks > S K > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 23:47:03 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Tom - do you have this belt for Nakamichi CD player 2 or MB2 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060818101858.0083a700@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060818214704.95369.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom or anybody else I need MB 2 tray belt Nakamichi part number OC09460A or suitable alternate belt? Do you have it or where can find one thanks Kannan Hi Tech wrote: I have seen modifications which eliminate the pitch control. It was a special control and broke easily, and parts may be impossible to buy. You might pull the cover and look for something non-factory inside. On the meter issue, unplug and plug in all wire harness connectors. Clean with Cramolin DeOxid if available. tom brucker At 08:02 AM 8/18/06 +0000, noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >Hi all >I just got a NAK MR2 and on testing it, i found the playback to be at a >higher speed than normal. At first i thought the pinch roller needed >cleaning but that didnt help. The pitch adjustment didnt help either. Its >not reponding to the pitch adjustment. > >Secondly, although both channels are playing, the right channel LED segments >do not light up. > >Can anybody tell me more about these and how to solve them ? > >Thanks and Best Regards >Soumi > >_________________________________________________________________ >Discover. Explore. Connect-Windows Live Spaces. Check out! >http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/livespaces.asp > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Aug 19 00:26:46 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:26:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tom - do you have this belt for Nakamichi CD player 2 or MB2 Message-ID: I'll second a request for one. I don't know for sure, but that would be a likely thing I need. Is your symptom the tray won't always open, and even when it does, you hear the motor whirring for a while before actually opens, usually worst on a cold start or after not being opened/closed for a while?-kby From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sat Aug 19 20:56:35 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:56:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Power Line noise suppression Message-ID: Hi all I have my Nak connected to the same supply where the PC UPS is connected. At times during some voltage fluctuations/line noise etc, i can hear that as hum ... is there a way to correct/suppress this noise at the deck ? Many thanks Soumi _________________________________________________________________ One and only Ash. Find out all about her. Only on MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/aishwarya.asp From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sun Aug 20 13:39:10 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:39:10 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes Message-ID: Can anyone comment please on the value of getting calibration tapes (from Luis) when I don't have the alignment gauges. And do you really need a VTVM as the manual specifies? Thanks David From luis at peromarta.org Sun Aug 20 17:13:53 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:13:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44E87C31.7010807@peromarta.org> Hi David, et all, If the decks have not been mechanically abused (extremely used, forced or misused), you probably won't need tilt or torque (take up) adjustment. Calibration tapes are a must, as some sort of reference is needed. Nakamichi calibration reference tapes are best, but rarey available. You have other sources for tapes, like TEAC from Japan, http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/eng/products/tape_index.html but these are are recorded with different IEC standards, and flux levels, and certainly very expensive. I have a nice set of Teac cal. tapes too. For example, Nakamichi level tape is 400Hz 200mW/m, 0dB, where as Teac level is 315Hz (not very important), 160nW/m -4dB (very important) Nakamichi 15KHz azimuth tape, and Teac 10KHz and 14KHz azimuth tapes (I have both) do not match. I make my set of tapes with my CR7 and Dragon decks, pre-calibrated with Nakamichi originals, and monitored with a T-100 Audio analyzer. I believe the set is good enough, as close to the originals as can be, and put the decks in the exact same calibration position as originals. Regarding your question about the VTVM, by the time Nakamichi decks where made, AC-RMS voltmeters where not widely available. Today, any (calibrated) true RMS meter will do the job. Hope this helps. rgds, LP. David Thompson wrote: > Can anyone comment please on the value of getting calibration tapes (from > Luis) when I don't have the alignment gauges. And do you really need a VTVM > as the manual specifies? Thanks > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Aug 20 17:56:11 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:56:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. References: <20060428010805.54223.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f701c6c471$2a0cfa80$10d417c4@home> Hello Bala,I think we somehow missed the playback woe answers some how? Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Original Service Manuals for sale. Hi Kimo and friends, I fired up my second 1000ZXL with MP capacitors in place of the orange caps. So far, it seems good and behaves well. This is a full complement on the plyaback path. There are about 7 or 8 pairs on the playback board and two more on the main board. Another issue which has plauged all 5 ZXL playback boards are the playback amp offset. Its been causing less then optimum playback levels and unbalanced playback levels. I will be putting up a small page on fixing playback woes within the week (there goes my May Day holiday!) These took care of all playback issues on the ZXL decks. Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Tel: 065-65842479 Mobile 065-9339-4693 "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I have not. I got the service manual because I have sort of a project/ pedagogical 700zxl I picked up a while ago. There's things that need to be replaced or repaired in it that can't really be done properly (part of the frame of the mechanism was broken; it also needs a new azimuth wire), but I was curious what could be done. I did have an issue which, as Tom suggested, was a cap with those symptoms on my 1000zxl which does have the same board and it was C104 (or C204, depending on L/R channel). But it could be any one of a number, and one thing I've discovered (as a less than patient and thus maybe slightly ham-fisted de-solderer) is that the Nak board traces seem a bit more fragile than some other things I've done.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 20 20:18:36 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:18:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <44E87C31.7010807@peromarta.org> References: <44E87C31.7010807@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <44E8A77C.2010203@rcn.com> Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi David, et all, > [....] Regarding your question about the VTVM, by the time Nakamichi decks where made, AC-RMS voltmeters where not widely available. Today, any (calibrated) true RMS meter will do the job. VTVMs, in general,. do not measure RMS volts either. The reason a VTVM is recommended is its high input impedance. Any reasonably high impedance meter (say, 50KOhm/Volt or more) meter will do. -- Ron > > Hope this helps. > > rgds, LP. > > > David Thompson wrote: >> Can anyone comment please on the value of getting calibration tapes >> (from >> Luis) when I don't have the alignment gauges. And do you really need >> a VTVM >> as the manual specifies? Thanks >> >> David >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From luis at peromarta.org Sun Aug 20 20:31:07 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:31:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <44E8A77C.2010203@rcn.com> References: <44E87C31.7010807@peromarta.org> <44E8A77C.2010203@rcn.com> Message-ID: <44E8AA6B.4020604@peromarta.org> Ron, you are right, some years ago VTVM (Vacuum Tube Volt Meter) where "active" voltmeters, with high input impedance, so you do not load the circuits while measuring. Modern digital voltmeters or multimeters, do have very high input impedance (tyical of FET input stages), in the MOhm range. Some Fluke models let you measure relative measures, even in dBV, which comes very handy ;) Best rgds, LP. Ron wrote: > The reason a > VTVM is recommended is its high input impedance. Any reasonably > high impedance meter (say, 50KOhm/Volt or more) meter will do. > > -- Ron > From glinkrod at ameritech.net Mon Aug 21 03:33:06 2006 From: glinkrod at ameritech.net (Steve Hirshfeld) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Malfunctioning 480 - Fish or Cut Bait? Message-ID: <20060821013306.19956.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> Hi folks. I'm the original owner of a Nak 480. For several years it's been balky, and more recently I've just been living without a cassette deck. I live in Madison, WI, and the only place I trusted to service the thing is out of business. The most recent repair was in 2000 and I quote: "Cleaned tape path - heads, capstans, pinch rollers, etc. Cleaned all belts & pulleys and reconditioned record switch. Oil 3 motors. Belts look ok. Tested." I'm not handy with electronics, but I'm at a point where I want to replace the 480 if I can't make the repair myself -- i.e., if it's not as easy fix. Here are the symptoms, and pardon my simplistic description... The deck works on FF but not on Play and Rewind. The mechanism doesn't seem to be moving in any case. With the cover off, I can see two belts: one is on a central wheel that engages the capstan mechanisms during fast forward or rewind. It seems to move properly to the correct capstan, but stops turning shortly after engaging the left capstan for rewinding. The 2nd belt I see is a longer belt, back closer to the circuit board. It seems to be the one for Play, and it seems to work cleanly when I hit Play. However, it doesn't result in any up-front mechanism movement. Thanks for any help! - Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 21 23:11:23 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:11:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Malfunctioning 480 - Fish or Cut Bait? In-Reply-To: <20060821013306.19956.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060821161123.0082e5e0@earthlink.net> Steve, That would be Jeremy Wolfsen, would it not? He was a good guy! Your names are a bit mixed up. What I think you see is the reel idler turning the take up and supply reels. In play, the unit runs a bit and stops. It will turn the suppy reel in fast forward, but not in reverse. Capstans are metal shafts that squeeze the tape to the pinch rollers and regulate play speed. The belt is flat, and goes around two capstan flywheels. The other belt on the right side is the cam belt. If the belt slips, which is very common, the unit cannot get fully into play mode, so it goes back to stop. If helping the cam pulley turn with your finger gets it into play mode, you need that belt and the reel idler tire. The tire is really hard to change. tom brucker At 06:33 PM 8/20/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi folks. I'm the original owner of a Nak 480. For several years it's been balky, and more recently I've just been living without a cassette deck. I live in Madison, WI, and the only place I trusted to service the thing is out of business. The most recent repair was in 2000 and I quote: "Cleaned tape path - heads, capstans, pinch rollers, etc. Cleaned all belts & pulleys and reconditioned record switch. Oil 3 motors. Belts look ok. Tested." I'm not handy with electronics, but I'm at a point where I want to replace the 480 if I can't make the repair myself -- i.e., if it's not as easy fix. Here are the symptoms, and pardon my simplistic description... The deck works on FF but not on Play and Rewind. The mechanism doesn't seem to be moving in any case. With the cover off, I can see two belts: one is on a central wheel that engages the capstan mechanisms during fast forward or rewind. It seems to move properly to the correct capstan, but stops turning shortly after engaging the left capstan for rewinding. The 2nd belt I see is a longer belt, back closer to the circuit board. It seems to be the one for Play, and it seems to work cleanly when I hit Play. However, it doesn't result in any up-front mechanism movement. Thanks for any help! - Steve ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 21 23:11:23 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:11:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <44E8AA6B.4020604@peromarta.org> References: <44E8A77C.2010203@rcn.com> <44E87C31.7010807@peromarta.org> <44E8A77C.2010203@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060821161123.0082e680@earthlink.net> Very few digital meters accurately measure voltages of frequencies above 1kHz. What you need is an AC voltmeter that has flat response to 20kHz. Gauges are used to mechanically position the head. Test tapes fine align the mechanical postions and adjusts for electronic differences in playback. tom brucker At 08:31 PM 8/20/06 +0200, you wrote: >Ron, > >you are right, some years ago VTVM (Vacuum Tube Volt Meter) where >"active" voltmeters, with high input impedance, so you do not load the >circuits while measuring. > >Modern digital voltmeters or multimeters, do have very high input >impedance (tyical of FET input stages), in the MOhm range. > >Some Fluke models let you measure relative measures, even in dBV, which >comes very handy ;) > >Best rgds, LP. > > > >Ron wrote: > >> The reason a >> VTVM is recommended is its high input impedance. Any reasonably >> high impedance meter (say, 50KOhm/Volt or more) meter will do. >> >> -- Ron >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From glinkrod at ameritech.net Tue Aug 22 01:33:06 2006 From: glinkrod at ameritech.net (Steve Hirshfeld) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Malfunctioning 480 - Fish or Cut Bait? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060821161123.0082e5e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060821233306.91141.qmail@web52510.mail.yahoo.com> Tom - Thanks for the quick response, and your willingness to work through my poor description. I'll try doing your suggested diagnostic and see what I find. - Steve Hi Tech wrote: Steve, That would be Jeremy Wolfsen, would it not? He was a good guy! Your names are a bit mixed up. What I think you see is the reel idler turning the take up and supply reels. In play, the unit runs a bit and stops. It will turn the suppy reel in fast forward, but not in reverse. Capstans are metal shafts that squeeze the tape to the pinch rollers and regulate play speed. The belt is flat, and goes around two capstan flywheels. The other belt on the right side is the cam belt. If the belt slips, which is very common, the unit cannot get fully into play mode, so it goes back to stop. If helping the cam pulley turn with your finger gets it into play mode, you need that belt and the reel idler tire. The tire is really hard to change. tom brucker At 06:33 PM 8/20/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi folks. I'm the original owner of a Nak 480. For several years it's been balky, and more recently I've just been living without a cassette deck. I live in Madison, WI, and the only place I trusted to service the thing is out of business. The most recent repair was in 2000 and I quote: "Cleaned tape path - heads, capstans, pinch rollers, etc. Cleaned all belts & pulleys and reconditioned record switch. Oil 3 motors. Belts look ok. Tested." I'm not handy with electronics, but I'm at a point where I want to replace the 480 if I can't make the repair myself -- i.e., if it's not as easy fix. Here are the symptoms, and pardon my simplistic description... The deck works on FF but not on Play and Rewind. The mechanism doesn't seem to be moving in any case. With the cover off, I can see two belts: one is on a central wheel that engages the capstan mechanisms during fast forward or rewind. It seems to move properly to the correct capstan, but stops turning shortly after engaging the left capstan for rewinding. The 2nd belt I see is a longer belt, back closer to the circuit board. It seems to be the one for Play, and it seems to work cleanly when I hit Play. However, it doesn't result in any up-front mechanism movement. Thanks for any help! - Steve ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Aug 22 14:14:31 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:14:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060821161123.0082e680@earthlink.net> References: <44E8A77C.2010203@rcn.com> <44E87C31.7010807@peromarta.org> <44E8A77C.2010203@rcn.com> <3.0.3.32.20060821161123.0082e680@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44EAF527.60205@rcn.com> Tom, It really depends on the specific DMM. My lowly Tripplet is spec'ed at 20Hz-20KHz, though at reduced accuracy as compared to the 1KHz spec -- but still, well over what the job requires. -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > Very few digital meters accurately measure voltages of frequencies above > 1kHz. What you need is an AC voltmeter that has flat response to 20kHz. > Gauges are used to mechanically position the head. Test tapes fine align > the mechanical postions and adjusts for electronic differences in playback. > > tom brucker > > At 08:31 PM 8/20/06 +0200, you wrote: >> Ron, >> >> you are right, some years ago VTVM (Vacuum Tube Volt Meter) where >> "active" voltmeters, with high input impedance, so you do not load the >> circuits while measuring. >> >> Modern digital voltmeters or multimeters, do have very high input >> impedance (tyical of FET input stages), in the MOhm range. >> >> Some Fluke models let you measure relative measures, even in dBV, which >> comes very handy ;) >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> >> Ron wrote: >> >>> The reason a >>> VTVM is recommended is its high input impedance. Any reasonably >>> high impedance meter (say, 50KOhm/Volt or more) meter will do. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 15:47:26 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <44EAF527.60205@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060822134726.8020.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fluke 87, 187, 189 and 863 /865 series DMM ' s are splendid tools - 87 being the cjeapest - for about 140$ - used. However - if you can afford to use big VTVM' - you can get them on ebay for about 50$ including shipping ( sometimes even less). They are very good for 200KHz bandwidth. Kannan Ron wrote: Tom, It really depends on the specific DMM. My lowly Tripplet is spec'ed at 20Hz-20KHz, though at reduced accuracy as compared to the 1KHz spec -- but still, well over what the job requires. -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > Very few digital meters accurately measure voltages of frequencies above > 1kHz. What you need is an AC voltmeter that has flat response to 20kHz. > Gauges are used to mechanically position the head. Test tapes fine align > the mechanical postions and adjusts for electronic differences in playback. > > tom brucker > > At 08:31 PM 8/20/06 +0200, you wrote: >> Ron, >> >> you are right, some years ago VTVM (Vacuum Tube Volt Meter) where >> "active" voltmeters, with high input impedance, so you do not load the >> circuits while measuring. >> >> Modern digital voltmeters or multimeters, do have very high input >> impedance (tyical of FET input stages), in the MOhm range. >> >> Some Fluke models let you measure relative measures, even in dBV, which >> comes very handy ;) >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> >> Ron wrote: >> >>> The reason a >>> VTVM is recommended is its high input impedance. Any reasonably >>> high impedance meter (say, 50KOhm/Volt or more) meter will do. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 00:49:31 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <20060822134726.8020.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060822224931.8830.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One of my favorites is the old fluke 8060A. 4-1/2 digits, true RMS to 100kHz. The coolest things about it are the relative and direct dB measurement features. With this feature you can easily do a frequency response plot. Play a reference tone, hit the relative button and switch the meter to dB and then note the dB difference at vairous frequencies. The 8060A is an awesome meter and for about $40-50 on ebay you can't beat it. I'm not aware of any current models under $200 that can do it. SJ --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Fluke 87, 187, 189 and 863 /865 series DMM ' s are splendid tools - > 87 being the cjeapest - for about 140$ - used. > However - if you can afford to use big VTVM' - you can get them > on ebay for about 50$ including shipping ( sometimes even less). > They are very good for 200KHz bandwidth. > Kannan > > Ron wrote: > > Tom, > > It really depends on the specific DMM. My lowly Tripplet > is spec'ed at 20Hz-20KHz, though at reduced accuracy as > compared to the 1KHz spec -- but still, well over what > the job requires. > > -- Ron > > > Hi Tech wrote: > > Very few digital meters accurately measure voltages of > frequencies above > > 1kHz. What you need is an AC voltmeter that has flat response to > 20kHz. > > Gauges are used to mechanically position the head. Test tapes > fine align > > the mechanical postions and adjusts for electronic differences in > playback. > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 08:31 PM 8/20/06 +0200, you wrote: > >> Ron, > >> > >> you are right, some years ago VTVM (Vacuum Tube Volt Meter) > where > >> "active" voltmeters, with high input impedance, so you do not > load the > >> circuits while measuring. > >> > >> Modern digital voltmeters or multimeters, do have very high > input > >> impedance (tyical of FET input stages), in the MOhm range. > >> > >> Some Fluke models let you measure relative measures, even in > dBV, which > >> comes very handy ;) > >> > >> Best rgds, LP. > >> > >> > >> > >> Ron wrote: > >> > >>> The reason a > >>> VTVM is recommended is its high input impedance. Any reasonably > >>> high impedance meter (say, 50KOhm/Volt or more) meter will do. > >>> > >>> -- Ron > >>> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From slavkag at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 01:42:37 2006 From: slavkag at yahoo.com (slavkag) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 questions Message-ID: <20060822234237.12893.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Hi guys. I’ve recently picked up RX-202 for $12. It didplay/ff/rew; eject/load worked too, but flipping process stuck in the middleand then got back to side A. I thought (before I found this mailing list andservice manual) it may be a bad tray belt, and I unscrewed the plate with traymotor and potentiometer and removed the belt. It really looks bad. So myquestions are: 1) Where I can get replacement belt or kit containing this belt?(I’min Canada) 2) How do I start tuning potentiometer when replacing the plate?Logically, I would set one of three possible states with test pins CAM A, CAM B, then turn potentiometer until motor stops,then manually set the tray in required position and replace the plate. But maybe I’m wrong? Slava __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamiep8 at msn.com Wed Aug 23 03:55:04 2006 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:55:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Malfunctioning 480 - Fish or Cut Bait? References: <20060821013306.19956.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi. I, too, am a Nak 480 owner. Recently I had my deck repaired for the same problems you are having with yours. And after cleaning, adjusting, belt-replacing, and lubricating, my Nak 480 runs like a champ! This service ran me just over $100. And I thought that was cheap! I may run out and find another one on ebay, and fix that one if I have to! Cassette decks are a dying breed, and cassette tapes are a dead medium. But I can get better sounding results with my Nak 480 than burning a cd on my computer. So, I continue to use my Nak for recording. The fact that this deck still works at all is amazing. It's 27 years old! Not even my top-line Alpine car deck lasted this long, and it was made in 1993 ( I bought another, exact model, 7525). But, you have to use your deck. If you let it sit around and gather dust, it will never work well. I also own 2 Aiwa decks, and an Akai deck, all three-head designs made in the mid-'80's. These decks cannot maintain the proper tape speed over time, and just when I have built up a sizeable tape library, I discover that they sound "off", or Fast, in my car deck, or on the Nak. Nothing beats the speed stability of the Nak, and for that alone, it is worth fixing. Pre-recorded, store-bought tapes pose a playback problem in all of my decks, except the Nak. It plays them like it recorded them. And the Nak records beautifully with extended highs, great mids, and deep, accurate bass. And the recordings made with the Nak sound exceptional on my Alpine 7525 car deck. When you consider, with inflation, the fact that the Nak 480 would probably cost over $1000 in 2006, you realize that fixing it for a mere 10% of that seems a no-brainer. Good luck, and happy recording! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Hirshfeld To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] Malfunctioning 480 - Fish or Cut Bait? Hi folks. I'm the original owner of a Nak 480. For several years it's been balky, and more recently I've just been living without a cassette deck. I live in Madison, WI, and the only place I trusted to service the thing is out of business. The most recent repair was in 2000 and I quote: "Cleaned tape path - heads, capstans, pinch rollers, etc. Cleaned all belts & pulleys and reconditioned record switch. Oil 3 motors. Belts look ok. Tested." I'm not handy with electronics, but I'm at a point where I want to replace the 480 if I can't make the repair myself -- i.e., if it's not as easy fix. Here are the symptoms, and pardon my simplistic description... The deck works on FF but not on Play and Rewind. The mechanism doesn't seem to be moving in any case. With the cover off, I can see two belts: one is on a central wheel that engages the capstan mechanisms during fast forward or rewind. It seems to move properly to the correct capstan, but stops turning shortly after engaging the left capstan for rewinding. The 2nd belt I see is a longer belt, back closer to the circuit board. It seems to be the one for Play, and it seems to work cleanly when I hit Play. However, it doesn't result in any up-front mechanism movement. Thanks for any help! - Steve ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Wed Aug 23 14:32:36 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:32:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 questions Message-ID: I have a replacement belt in stock-$5 and its yours shipped. Paypal _n4229k at aol.com_ (mailto:n4229k at aol.com) for payment. Thanks, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 23 15:33:22 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:33:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <20060822224931.8830.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060822134726.8020.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060823083322.0082e900@earthlink.net> Analog meter are the preferred method when aligning tape. Tape is unsteady enough that digits will change, say while reading a steady test tone. Is the change due to huge, short duration fluctuations, or relatively minor small amplitude changes? All we see are changing digits. Analog meters, especially peak reading, reveal the true nature of variations, allowing the technician to check for tape path and other alignment problems. Nakamichi designed the T100 analyzer with "digital" segments that display in a very analog-like manner. In training they specifically discouraged the use of digital meters. tom brucker At 03:49 PM 8/22/06 -0700, you wrote: >One of my favorites is the old fluke 8060A. >4-1/2 digits, true RMS to 100kHz. The coolest things about it are >the relative and direct dB measurement features. With this feature >you can easily do a frequency response plot. Play a reference tone, >hit the relative button and switch the meter to dB and then note the >dB difference at vairous frequencies. The 8060A is an awesome meter >and for about $40-50 on ebay you can't beat it. > >I'm not aware of any current models under $200 that can do it. > >SJ > >--- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > >> Fluke 87, 187, 189 and 863 /865 series DMM ' s are splendid tools - >> 87 being the cjeapest - for about 140$ - used. >> However - if you can afford to use big VTVM' - you can get them >> on ebay for about 50$ including shipping ( sometimes even less). >> They are very good for 200KHz bandwidth. >> Kannan >> >> Ron wrote: >> >> Tom, >> >> It really depends on the specific DMM. My lowly Tripplet >> is spec'ed at 20Hz-20KHz, though at reduced accuracy as >> compared to the 1KHz spec -- but still, well over what >> the job requires. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Hi Tech wrote: >> > Very few digital meters accurately measure voltages of >> frequencies above >> > 1kHz. What you need is an AC voltmeter that has flat response to >> 20kHz. >> > Gauges are used to mechanically position the head. Test tapes >> fine align >> > the mechanical postions and adjusts for electronic differences in >> playback. >> > >> > tom brucker >> > >> > At 08:31 PM 8/20/06 +0200, you wrote: >> >> Ron, >> >> >> >> you are right, some years ago VTVM (Vacuum Tube Volt Meter) >> where >> >> "active" voltmeters, with high input impedance, so you do not >> load the >> >> circuits while measuring. >> >> >> >> Modern digital voltmeters or multimeters, do have very high >> input >> >> impedance (tyical of FET input stages), in the MOhm range. >> >> >> >> Some Fluke models let you measure relative measures, even in >> dBV, which >> >> comes very handy ;) >> >> >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ron wrote: >> >> >> >>> The reason a >> >>> VTVM is recommended is its high input impedance. Any reasonably >> >>> high impedance meter (say, 50KOhm/Volt or more) meter will do. >> >>> >> >>> -- Ron >> >>> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > Tom Brucker CSM >> > Hi Tech Service >> > 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> > Nashville, TN 37211 >> > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 23 15:45:02 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:45:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Malfunctioning 480 - Fish or Cut Bait? In-Reply-To: References: <20060821013306.19956.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060823084502.00829e70@earthlink.net> Treat yourself to a 482 or any 680,681, 682 deck. The mechanism used in the 480 is the best ever built...well the Revox might be better mechanically... so these old gems outperform the BX1 and all its descendants. tom brucker At 08:55 PM 8/22/06 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Hi. I, too, am a Nak 480 owner. Recently I had my deck repaired for the same problems you are having with yours. And after cleaning, adjusting, belt-replacing, and lubricating, my Nak 480 runs like a champ! This service ran me just over $100. And I thought that was cheap! I may run out and find another one on ebay, and fix that one if I have to! Cassette decks are a dying breed, and cassette tapes are a dead medium. But I can get better sounding results with my Nak 480 than burning a cd on my computer. So, I continue to use my Nak for recording. The fact that this deck still works at all is amazing. It's 27 years old! Not even my top-line Alpine car deck lasted this long, and it was made in 1993 ( I bought another, exact model, 7525). But, you have to use your deck. If you let it sit around and gather dust, it will never work well. I also own 2 Aiwa decks, and an Akai deck, all three-head designs made in the mid-'80's. These decks cannot maintain the proper tape speed over time, and just when I have built up a sizeable tape library, I discover that they sound "off", or Fast, in my car deck, or on the Nak. Nothing beats the speed stability of the Nak, and for that alone, it is worth fixing. Pre-recorded, store-bought tapes pose a playback problem in all of my decks, except the Nak. It plays them like it recorded them. And the Nak records beautifully with extended highs, great mids, and deep, accurate bass. And the recordings made with the Nak sound exceptional on my Alpine 7525 car deck. When you consider, with inflation, the fact that the Nak 480 would probably cost over $1000 in 2006, you realize that fixing it for a mere 10% of that seems a no-brainer. Good luck, and happy recording! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Hirshfeld To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] Malfunctioning 480 - Fish or Cut Bait? Hi folks. I'm the original owner of a Nak 480. For several years it's been balky, and more recently I've just been living without a cassette deck. I live in Madison, WI, and the only place I trusted to service the thing is out of business. The most recent repair was in 2000 and I quote: "Cleaned tape path - heads, capstans, pinch rollers, etc. Cleaned all belts & pulleys and reconditioned record switch. Oil 3 motors. Belts look ok. Tested." I'm not handy with electronics, but I'm at a point where I want to replace the 480 if I can't make the repair myself -- i.e., if it's not as easy fix. Here are the symptoms, and pardon my simplistic description... The deck works on FF but not on Play and Rewind. The mechanism doesn't seem to be moving in any case. With the cover off, I can see two belts: one is on a central wheel that engages the capstan mechanisms during fast forward or rewind. It seems to move properly to the correct capstan, but stops turning shortly after engaging the left capstan for rewinding. The 2nd belt I see is a longer belt, back closer to the circuit board. It seems to be the one for Play, and it seems to work cleanly when I hit Play. However, it doesn't result in any up-front mechanism movement. Thanks for any help! - Steve ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Aug 23 17:34:57 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:34:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060823083322.0082e900@earthlink.net> References: <20060822134726.8020.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060823083322.0082e900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44EC75A1.6030706@rcn.com> Again, Tom, it depends on the particular meter. Many (most?) current DMMs have an multi-segment bar that emulates an analog readout, especially for alignment applications. My Tripplet does. -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > Analog meter are the preferred method when aligning tape. Tape is unsteady > enough that digits will change, say while reading a steady test tone. Is > the change due to huge, short duration fluctuations, or relatively minor > small amplitude changes? All we see are changing digits. Analog meters, > especially peak reading, reveal the true nature of variations, allowing the > technician to check for tape path and other alignment problems. > Nakamichi designed the T100 analyzer with "digital" segments that > display in a very analog-like manner. In training they specifically > discouraged the use of digital meters. > > tom brucker > > At 03:49 PM 8/22/06 -0700, you wrote: >> One of my favorites is the old fluke 8060A. >> 4-1/2 digits, true RMS to 100kHz. The coolest things about it are >> the relative and direct dB measurement features. With this feature >> you can easily do a frequency response plot. Play a reference tone, >> hit the relative button and switch the meter to dB and then note the >> dB difference at vairous frequencies. The 8060A is an awesome meter >> and for about $40-50 on ebay you can't beat it. >> >> I'm not aware of any current models under $200 that can do it. >> >> SJ >> >> --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: >> >>> Fluke 87, 187, 189 and 863 /865 series DMM ' s are splendid tools - >>> 87 being the cjeapest - for about 140$ - used. >>> However - if you can afford to use big VTVM' - you can get them >>> on ebay for about 50$ including shipping ( sometimes even less). >>> They are very good for 200KHz bandwidth. >>> Kannan >>> >>> Ron wrote: >>> >>> Tom, >>> >>> It really depends on the specific DMM. My lowly Tripplet >>> is spec'ed at 20Hz-20KHz, though at reduced accuracy as >>> compared to the 1KHz spec -- but still, well over what >>> the job requires. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> Hi Tech wrote: >>>> Very few digital meters accurately measure voltages of >>> frequencies above >>>> 1kHz. What you need is an AC voltmeter that has flat response to >>> 20kHz. >>>> Gauges are used to mechanically position the head. Test tapes >>> fine align >>>> the mechanical postions and adjusts for electronic differences in >>> playback. >>>> tom brucker >>>> >>>> At 08:31 PM 8/20/06 +0200, you wrote: >>>>> Ron, >>>>> >>>>> you are right, some years ago VTVM (Vacuum Tube Volt Meter) >>> where >>>>> "active" voltmeters, with high input impedance, so you do not >>> load the >>>>> circuits while measuring. >>>>> >>>>> Modern digital voltmeters or multimeters, do have very high >>> input >>>>> impedance (tyical of FET input stages), in the MOhm range. >>>>> >>>>> Some Fluke models let you measure relative measures, even in >>> dBV, which >>>>> comes very handy ;) >>>>> >>>>> Best rgds, LP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The reason a >>>>>> VTVM is recommended is its high input impedance. Any reasonably >>>>>> high impedance meter (say, 50KOhm/Volt or more) meter will do. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Wed Aug 23 22:01:43 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:01:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Revival of tapes In-Reply-To: <200608231000.k7NA04om014392@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all just a curious thought ... recently i came across an article about a band releasing their albums in vinyl and DVD Audio ... specifically NOT CD. Purpose ? partly to resurrect the vinyl medium. What are the chances of tapes being resurrected ? Coz in Asia, tapes are still very much in use and much more affordable than CDs and obviously better audio than MP3s etc . Cant we kinda run a petition to get this moving ? Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 24 13:57:42 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:57:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: neat source for cassettes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20060824065256.00c30940@pop.earthlink.net> My local used record store trades for any audio or video format, except 8 tracks. Their cassette interests are limited to prerecord, but they buy whole boxes of tapes for next to nothing. Their sorting process puts all maxell, tdk, sony, etc home tapes into a grab bag box that the periodically put out for sale at $10. There is lots of junk, but for $20 I scored over 30 useable type 1 and type 2 tapes, and 1 metal!. tom brucker From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Aug 24 14:41:47 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:41:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Revival of tapes In-Reply-To: References: <200608231000.k7NA04om014392@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:01:43 +0000, wrote: >Hi all >just a curious thought ... >recently i came across an article about a band releasing their albums in >vinyl and DVD Audio ... specifically NOT CD. >Purpose ? partly to resurrect the vinyl medium. >What are the chances of tapes being resurrected ? Coz in Asia, tapes are >still very much in use and much more affordable than CDs and obviously >better audio than MP3s etc . >Cant we kinda run a petition to get this moving ? Well if we could petition stuff like that, we should peition for all the good stuff. We should have Sony and Philips say they are sorry for making the CD. We should ask to get back 8-track, reel decks, elcaset and cassettes, vinyl and while we're at it we might as well ask to have Elvis back. -Mikkel From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Thu Aug 24 15:09:39 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:09:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 record speed/pitch control and tone issue In-Reply-To: <200608141000.k7EA04N5032137@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all Im still awaiting reply for a MR2 manual.... meanwhile would anybody tell me : 1) What is the value of the pot for the MR2 pitch control 2) When recording, i get a tone IF a) the input levels are more than 4.5 (on the MR2) b) Source output is more than 50% Thanks for any inputs on these. Best Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Aug 24 16:14:10 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:14:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Revival of tapes Message-ID: Sadly, the only kind of petition forms that the music industry cares about have reserve bank serial numbers written on them. As for Elvis, no worries Mikkel, we have him back already. I understand he is working in a carwash in Boise, Idaho. The thing is, Asia will continue for different reasons to a bastion of the tape medium. It's light, small, tough, re-recordable and inexpensive. CD is light, not particulalry tough, not small enough, not cheaply re-recordable - at least for them, and obscenely expensive. Sorry to be blunt. There might be umteen CD/DVD and CD-R etc units pouring out of the far east into western shops near you, but they are built by people whose source of electricity at home is a car battery. And just in case you think things are changing, that's the closest they will ever get to owning a car. India and mainland China are enjoying positive growth rates but the vast majority of their population are invariably not end users of the things they sell to us. The battery operated portable cassette/radio is still the mainstay of home entertainment in the worlds most populous countries. Here in Africa, pre-recorded tapes are still sold in most outlets. These guys don't have a computer, haven't even heard of MP3 etc etc etc........it's a different world. Cheers - MH >>> Mikkel Breiler 8/24/2006 2:41 PM >>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:01:43 +0000, wrote: >Hi all >just a curious thought ... >recently i came across an article about a band releasing their albums in >vinyl and DVD Audio ... specifically NOT CD. >Purpose ? partly to resurrect the vinyl medium. >What are the chances of tapes being resurrected ? Coz in Asia, tapes are >still very much in use and much more affordable than CDs and obviously >better audio than MP3s etc . >Cant we kinda run a petition to get this moving ? Well if we could petition stuff like that, we should peition for all the good stuff. We should have Sony and Philips say they are sorry for making the CD. We should ask to get back 8-track, reel decks, elcaset and cassettes, vinyl and while we're at it we might as well ask to have Elvis back. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Aug 24 17:08:16 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Revival of tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060824150816.36713.qmail@web36215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Remember you've got a Nak and that a lot of people think that cassettes are a cheap medium. Getting a good turntable or CDP is possible today, but not cassettes. noneyhoney at hotmail.com a écrit : Hi all just a curious thought ... recently i came across an article about a band releasing their albums in vinyl and DVD Audio ... specifically NOT CD. Purpose ? partly to resurrect the vinyl medium. What are the chances of tapes being resurrected ? Coz in Asia, tapes are still very much in use and much more affordable than CDs and obviously better audio than MP3s etc . Cant we kinda run a petition to get this moving ? Regards Soumi Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Fri Aug 25 01:29:25 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:29:25 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette 1 Message-ID: Can anyone comment on quality of Cassette Deck 1, please, particularly as compared to LX-5. Both on ebay Aust at the moment. Davod From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 25 00:27:42 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:27:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Revival of tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think that's a bit unfair, Mikkel, because the economic model for Asia is probably very different from that here in Europe. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mikkel Breiler Sent: 24 August 2006 13:42 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revival of tapes On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:01:43 +0000, wrote: >Hi all >just a curious thought ... >recently i came across an article about a band releasing their albums in >vinyl and DVD Audio ... specifically NOT CD. >Purpose ? partly to resurrect the vinyl medium. >What are the chances of tapes being resurrected ? Coz in Asia, tapes are >still very much in use and much more affordable than CDs and obviously >better audio than MP3s etc . >Cant we kinda run a petition to get this moving ? Well if we could petition stuff like that, we should peition for all the good stuff. We should have Sony and Philips say they are sorry for making the CD. We should ask to get back 8-track, reel decks, elcaset and cassettes, vinyl and while we're at it we might as well ask to have Elvis back. -Mikkel From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Aug 25 09:34:30 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:34:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Two related questions: Tape warranties & classic back tension Message-ID: A couple of questions relating two the classic back tension adjuster and the results of not having it quite up to snuff. I recently got a stash of Maxell MX-S cassettes (both 90 and 100s) but all of a number I tried got crunched at the load point on my 1000zxl ltd :-(. Of course, I didn't seem to have trouble with anything else at the time :-). Recalling that when I troubleshot a similar issue with the 680zx Kannan had got it by suggesting the backtension adjuster (but that was an old enough 680zx that it didn't have the adjuster), I thought I'd check that out. Well, I did find that the felt had slipped--the adhesive was a softening. So I re-positioned & reglued it and it is somewhat better (it only crunches them some of the time now), but I'm guessing it's on the hairy edge of OK. Of course, I don't have the gauge to check it, but, but it looks like it's not a "precise" adjustment anyway--there's a range it needs to be within. So, the question is does anyone have an idea (or could they measure) approximately how much each notch changes the back tension of the spring (so that I can feel that if I'm at the low end if I adjust it one notch I'll probably still. be within the tolerance? Now, in terms of the crunched tapes. Maxell still listed on their cassettes having a lifetime replacement warranty. Still have it on XL- IIs, but in this case for the MX-S's they don't make them any more (but might have a stash for this purpose). Has anyone recently tried sending damaged tapes back (especially of a high-end outdated type) and know what the response is/was? Thanks in advance!-kby From wjw at warwick.net Fri Aug 25 09:37:15 2006 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:37:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette 1 References: Message-ID: <44EEA8AB.DC3550A9@warwick.net> I can't compare the quality of the Cassette Deck1 and the LX-5 for you- others with more knowledge and experience can probably do that- but I have a Cassette Deck1 and I like it very much. The one feature that it has that not all Nak decks have is a manual azimuth adjustment for playback. This is very useful for playing tapes recorded on other decks. One piece of advice for buying anything on Ebay and Naks in particular- ask the seller a lot of questions. Make sure that everything on the deck functions as it should and that they have personally tested all functions. Make sure that it's clearly understood that you can return the deck for a full refund if any of the seller's claims prove not to be true, and also make sure that it's insured when it's shipped to you. Even this is not foolproof, but it's good to be as clear as possible about all facts and agreements before you spend your money. David Thompson wrote: > Can anyone comment on quality of Cassette Deck 1, please, particularly as > compared to LX-5. Both on ebay Aust at the moment. > > Davod > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Aug 25 10:52:07 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:52:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Two related questions: Tape warranties & classic back tension Message-ID: Hi Kby, It is possible but not in the least bit probable that Maxell have a stock of discontinued products to give substance to their lifetime warranty. My experience is that dealing with Japan directly (difficult at the best of times) on something with which they are unable/unwilling to assist, will be like dealing with Mars. An additional problem here is that it doesn't sound as if there was a design or manufacturing flaw in tape itself and if they were possibly in a position to assist, a willingness to do so would based on this consideration. Good luck. Marc >>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu 8/25/2006 9:34 AM >>> A couple of questions relating two the classic back tension adjuster and the results of not having it quite up to snuff. I recently got a stash of Maxell MX-S cassettes (both 90 and 100s) but all of a number I tried got crunched at the load point on my 1000zxl ltd :-(. Of course, I didn't seem to have trouble with anything else at the time :-). Recalling that when I troubleshot a similar issue with the 680zx Kannan had got it by suggesting the backtension adjuster (but that was an old enough 680zx that it didn't have the adjuster), I thought I'd check that out. Well, I did find that the felt had slipped--the adhesive was a softening. So I re-positioned & reglued it and it is somewhat better (it only crunches them some of the time now), but I'm guessing it's on the hairy edge of OK. Of course, I don't have the gauge to check it, but, but it looks like it's not a "precise" adjustment anyway--there's a range it needs to be within. So, the question is does anyone have an idea (or could they measure) approximately how much each notch changes the back tension of the spring (so that I can feel that if I'm at the low end if I adjust it one notch I'll probably still. be within the tolerance? Now, in terms of the crunched tapes. Maxell still listed on their cassettes having a lifetime replacement warranty. Still have it on XL- IIs, but in this case for the MX-S's they don't make them any more (but might have a stash for this purpose). Has anyone recently tried sending damaged tapes back (especially of a high-end outdated type) and know what the response is/was? Thanks in advance!-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Aug 25 11:01:13 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:01:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette 1 Message-ID: David, Both are very good 3-head machines. The LX-5 has a tougher mechanism and the Cassette Deck One has the Sankyo mech. In practice though, the only hassle though that you typically experience with Cassette Deck One is the underpowered Matsushita capstan motor. It would need replacement at some point (but of course may have been replaced already). Otherwise its a great machine - featuring manual playback azimuth adjustment. The LX-5 would of course be about 5 years older. I like both and if the prices were tolerable, would get both. Cheers - Marc >>> wontulp at zoomnet.com.au 8/25/2006 1:29 AM >>> Can anyone comment on quality of Cassette Deck 1, please, particularly as compared to LX-5. Both on ebay Aust at the moment. Davod ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From johnn380 at comcast.net Fri Aug 25 15:18:13 2006 From: johnn380 at comcast.net (johnn380 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:18:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette 1 Message-ID: <082520061318.11486.44EEF88C000BF66E00002CDE2200734830CFC8CC0202080106@comcast.net> David, I have both decks, and like all Naks, they have their own unique qualities. The Cassette Deck 1 has the manual azimuth PB, is a more recent design, and a newer model...mine sounds great... The LX-5 is older, more retro looking, has the great Nak mechanism, and to me the sound is a little more robust than the Cassette Deck 1. I have a number of Naks and the one thing I can say is they all sound wonderful. Each has it's own characteristics and minor sound differences, but it a Nak, and I do not think you can go wrong with any Nak... John -------------- Original message -------------- From: David Thompson > Can anyone comment on quality of Cassette Deck 1, please, particularly as > compared to LX-5. Both on ebay Aust at the moment. > > Davod > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 25 15:41:55 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:41:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Two related questions: Tape warranties & classicback tension In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060825084155.0083b8f0@earthlink.net> I would experiment this way. Set the holdback at the lowest setting. Try recording the azimuth test tone, and watch the left channel meter. If it is stable, you have enough back tension. If it wavers 2 divisions, then increase the tension one notch. Etc. tom brucker At 10:52 AM 8/25/06 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Kby, > >It is possible but not in the least bit probable that Maxell have a stock of discontinued products to give substance to their lifetime warranty. My experience is that dealing with Japan directly (difficult at the best of times) on something with which they are unable/unwilling to assist, will be like dealing with Mars. > >An additional problem here is that it doesn't sound as if there was a design or manufacturing flaw in tape itself and if they were possibly in a position to assist, a willingness to do so would based on this consideration. > >Good luck. > >Marc > >>>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu 8/25/2006 9:34 AM >>> >A couple of questions relating two the classic back tension adjuster >and the results of not having it >quite up to snuff. > >I recently got a stash of Maxell MX-S cassettes (both 90 and 100s) >but all of a number I tried got >crunched at the load point on my 1000zxl ltd :-(. Of course, I didn't >seem to have trouble with >anything else at the time :-). > >Recalling that when I troubleshot a similar issue with the 680zx >Kannan had got it by suggesting the >backtension adjuster (but that was an old enough 680zx that it didn't >have the adjuster), I thought I'd >check that out. Well, I did find that the felt had slipped--the >adhesive was a softening. So I re-positioned & reglued it >and it is somewhat better (it only crunches them some of the time >now), but I'm guessing it's on the hairy edge of OK. >Of course, I don't have the gauge to check it, but, but it looks like >it's not a "precise" adjustment anyway--there's a range it needs >to be within. So, the question is does anyone have an idea (or could >they measure) approximately how much each notch >changes the back tension of the spring (so that I can feel that if >I'm at the low end if I adjust it one notch I'll probably still. >be within the tolerance? > >Now, in terms of the crunched tapes. Maxell still listed on their >cassettes having a lifetime replacement warranty. Still have it on XL- >IIs, but >in this case for the MX-S's they don't make them any more (but might >have a stash for this purpose). Has anyone recently tried sending >damaged tapes back (especially of a high-end outdated type) and know >what the response is/was? > >Thanks in advance!-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Aug 25 19:46:44 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:46:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need MR2 Service manual ... Please Help In-Reply-To: <200608251000.k7PA04bQ029412@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all Jeff Galin gave me a number of URLs for service manuals ... none of them had any. Today Antech labs confirmed they dont have it either. Can anybody help me with a service manual for MR2 please ? A PDF etc / scan would be most appreciated. Many thanks Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Connect with your friends who use Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Click! http://www.msnspecials.in/wlmyahoo/index.asp From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 25 20:03:06 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:03:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Two related questions: Tape warranties & classicback tension In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060825130306.00833620@earthlink.net> I would experiment this way. Set the holdback at the lowest setting. Try recording the azimuth test tone, and watch the left channel meter. If it is stable, you have enough back tension. If it wavers 2 divisions, then increase the tension one notch. Etc. tom brucker At 10:52 AM 8/25/06 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Kby, > >It is possible but not in the least bit probable that Maxell have a stock of discontinued products to give substance to their lifetime warranty. My experience is that dealing with Japan directly (difficult at the best of times) on something with which they are unable/unwilling to assist, will be like dealing with Mars. > >An additional problem here is that it doesn't sound as if there was a design or manufacturing flaw in tape itself and if they were possibly in a position to assist, a willingness to do so would based on this consideration. > >Good luck. > >Marc > >>>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu 8/25/2006 9:34 AM >>> >A couple of questions relating two the classic back tension adjuster >and the results of not having it >quite up to snuff. > >I recently got a stash of Maxell MX-S cassettes (both 90 and 100s) >but all of a number I tried got >crunched at the load point on my 1000zxl ltd :-(. Of course, I didn't >seem to have trouble with >anything else at the time :-). > >Recalling that when I troubleshot a similar issue with the 680zx >Kannan had got it by suggesting the >backtension adjuster (but that was an old enough 680zx that it didn't >have the adjuster), I thought I'd >check that out. Well, I did find that the felt had slipped--the >adhesive was a softening. So I re-positioned & reglued it >and it is somewhat better (it only crunches them some of the time >now), but I'm guessing it's on the hairy edge of OK. >Of course, I don't have the gauge to check it, but, but it looks like >it's not a "precise" adjustment anyway--there's a range it needs >to be within. So, the question is does anyone have an idea (or could >they measure) approximately how much each notch >changes the back tension of the spring (so that I can feel that if >I'm at the low end if I adjust it one notch I'll probably still. >be within the tolerance? > >Now, in terms of the crunched tapes. Maxell still listed on their >cassettes having a lifetime replacement warranty. Still have it on XL- >IIs, but >in this case for the MX-S's they don't make them any more (but might >have a stash for this purpose). Has anyone recently tried sending >damaged tapes back (especially of a high-end outdated type) and know >what the response is/was? > >Thanks in advance!-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sat Aug 26 03:29:43 2006 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:29:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Owner's Manual for NR-200 Dolby Outboard Unit Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Aug 26 10:48:22 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:48:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Owner's Manual for NR-200 Dolby Outboard Unit References: Message-ID: <001101c6c8ec$65021470$b207010a@hurtignok> Here you can download the manauls: http://www.naks.mine.nu/40.php Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ember To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 3:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Owner's Manual for NR-200 Dolby Outboard Unit Hello Everyone, Wondering if some fellow Nakophile might have a copy of the owner's manual for the NR-200 Dolby B/C outboard unit they might be willing to copy for me. Glad to pay for your time and effort in doing this. Would also be interested in any sales literature on this unit. Many thanks. Steve Ember ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Aug 26 11:10:42 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:10:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm...maybe it is, maybe it isn't: continuing saga of MX-100s tapes Message-ID: Well, I might have to change my diagnosis on the 1000zxl and the MX-100S tapes. It seems as if it's related to the rewind stop at the end of tape being a little hard (it's always seemed a little that way but normally doesn't cause an issue). I think the stop somehow damages the end next to the where the leader is taped on or the tape slips off the pancake and around the hubs (oops). But there doesn't seem to be any way to do adjustments for fast forward/rewind (other than RAMM cue stuff). Is there an adjustment anyone knows for classic mechanism either back tension or speed of rewind/ff (ff actually seems OK, mostly rewind). The 700 II had a (albeit trouble-prone) clutch that tended to slow things down as the end of tape was reached, but I guess due to its trouble-prone nature it was dropped. Is there some equivalent for this generation of classic mechanism machines? Thanks.-kby From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 13:14:43 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 04:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm...maybe it is, maybe it isn't: continuing saga of MX-100s tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060826111444.92748.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think, the tape guide alignment is the reason when the play function pinches the tape - slightly off as the tape guide with is slightly bigger than teh tape width. This coupled with back tension could also be a cause. Alignment of tape guide requies either Nakamichi tape guide adjusting tool ( i cannot recall the correct name now-)- or I use an old Maxell new tape itself as the tool destroyong almost. Since the tape costs about 2$ it does not matter. This is done by opening one half of the tape - with a cellophone tape holding the spools intact - manually raise the head block to see whether the tape guides are correctly positioned using tape itself as the marker. This alignment requires complete removal of the transport from the deck housing. I think you would understand what I mean !, Kannan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Well, I might have to change my diagnosis on the 1000zxl and the MX-100S tapes. It seems as if it's related to the rewind stop at the end of tape being a little hard (it's always seemed a little that way but normally doesn't cause an issue). I think the stop somehow damages the end next to the where the leader is taped on or the tape slips off the pancake and around the hubs (oops). But there doesn't seem to be any way to do adjustments for fast forward/rewind (other than RAMM cue stuff). Is there an adjustment anyone knows for classic mechanism either back tension or speed of rewind/ff (ff actually seems OK, mostly rewind). The 700 II had a (albeit trouble-prone) clutch that tended to slow things down as the end of tape was reached, but I guess due to its trouble-prone nature it was dropped. Is there some equivalent for this generation of classic mechanism machines? Thanks.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Aug 26 18:30:58 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:30:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm...maybe it is, maybe it isn't: continuing saga of MX-100s tapes Message-ID: <03D24DED-C27E-471A-AEA9-375FCD355608@alumni.caltech.edu> > I think, the tape guide alignment is the reason when the play > function pinches the tape - slightly off as the tape guide with is > slightly bigger than teh tape width. This coupled with back tension > could also be a cause. Alignment of tape guide requies either > Nakamichi tape guide adjusting tool ( i cannot recall the correct > name now-)- or I use an old Maxell new tape itself as the tool > destroyong almost. Since the tape costs about 2$ it does not > matter. This is done by opening one half of the tape - with a > cellophone tape holding the spools intact - manually raise the head > block to see whether the tape guides are correctly positioned using > tape itself as the marker. This alignment requires complete removal > of the transport from the deck housing. I think you would > understand what I mean !, The reason I don't think it's play related any more is I can destroy the tape by just rewinding it to the end; no play involved. Also, the deck as been through service a few months ago and does only show it with this one type of type. I'll see what I can do about using a partial tape, however.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Aug 26 18:33:54 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:33:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm...maybe it is, maybe it isn't: continuing saga of MX-100s tapes Message-ID: Oh, and I've also just played or recorded the tape at the beginning (no rewind or alignment), then manually wound the tape back and inspected it for damage without finding any. This particular tape seems to be more noticably convex (along a longitudinal axis) than most, but that is true out of the box (i.e. even before putting in any machine).-kby From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Aug 26 18:55:36 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm...maybe it is, maybe it isn't: continuing saga of MX-100s tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060826165536.54836.qmail@web36212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So the motor has too much force on rewind? I don't know the 1000ZXL, but is there an adjustment controlling the hub motor power? You could try to lower it down. Maybe you could look if the rewind circuit is working correctly?(Voltage, etc.) "Kimo B. Yap" a écrit : Well, I might have to change my diagnosis on the 1000zxl and the MX-100S tapes. It seems as if it's related to the rewind stop at the end of tape being a little hard (it's always seemed a little that way but normally doesn't cause an issue). I think the stop somehow damages the end next to the where the leader is taped on or the tape slips off the pancake and around the hubs (oops). But there doesn't seem to be any way to do adjustments for fast forward/rewind (other than RAMM cue stuff). Is there an adjustment anyone knows for classic mechanism either back tension or speed of rewind/ff (ff actually seems OK, mostly rewind). The 700 II had a (albeit trouble-prone) clutch that tended to slow things down as the end of tape was reached, but I guess due to its trouble-prone nature it was dropped. Is there some equivalent for this generation of classic mechanism machines? Thanks.-kby Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Aug 26 20:33:02 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:33:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm...maybe it is, maybe it isn't: continuing saga of MX-100s tapes Message-ID: > So the motor has too much force on rewind? I don't know the > 1000ZXL, but is there an adjustment controlling the hub motor > power? You could try to lower it down. Maybe you could look if the > rewind circuit is working correctly?(Voltage, etc.) That would definitely be a way to describe what it appears to be. Unfortunately the reel motor has a number of different modes: slow cue, fast cue (these two may or may not have separate variations for RAMM mode), rewind/ff, & play. The cue modes (or at least their RAMM variants) and play have some adjustments, but it doesn't look like ff/rew do (at least not electronic ones). It has always seemed like rewind is a little harder than ff, even though it's the same motor, so I was hoping someone might know a mechanical trick to fix it.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Aug 27 00:27:35 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:27:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Continuing saga of MX-100s tapes: Episode III Stupid is as stupid does (partial sol'n) Message-ID: <520AF097-A959-46EF-A2BB-C3B0195BBBDB@alumni.caltech.edu> OK, I found one thing that was also wrong; the hubs weren't correctly seated in the drive pulleys. There's 3 raised areas on the pulleys and three corresponding legs on the hubs; if they aren't directly seated there's 120 degrees of free play on any direction change, so those needed to be re-seated (this has probably been wrong for a while but just didn't show up). However, that doesn't completely fix the problem. I constructed the tape traveling cassette by removing the area surrounding the tape travel path and observed it; of course the travel seemed to have no problems (no curling at least the front guide, which if any, was the one I'd suspect. Of course, the tape wasn't damaged either. Checked at the other end of some tapes already munged at one end, and of course they were fine at the other end. Put in a new one, though and it fails (of course). Tried a full ff/rew to repack the tape. This helps some but still isn't perfect, although the time it failed this time may have been something else.-kby From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Aug 27 00:44:18 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm...maybe it is, maybe it isn't: continuing saga of MX-100s tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060826224418.15370.qmail@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is it the same circuit that drives play, ff and rewind? (Maybe one for forward, one for reverse?) Maybe there's a bad component in the rewinding circuits? "Kimo B. Yap" a écrit : So the motor has too much force on rewind? I don't know the 1000ZXL, but is there an adjustment controlling the hub motor power? You could try to lower it down. Maybe you could look if the rewind circuit is working correctly?(Voltage, etc.) That would definitely be a way to describe what it appears to be. Unfortunately the reel motor has a number of different modes: slow cue, fast cue (these two may or may not have separate variations for RAMM mode), rewind/ff, & play. The cue modes (or at least their RAMM variants) and play have some adjustments, but it doesn't look like ff/rew do (at least not electronic ones). It has always seemed like rewind is a little harder than ff, even though it's the same motor, so I was hoping someone might know a mechanical trick to fix it.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Aug 27 07:39:45 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:39:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm...maybe it is, maybe it isn't: continuing saga of MX-100s tapes Message-ID: > Is it the same circuit that drives play, ff and rewind? (Maybe one > for forward, one for reverse?) Maybe there's a bad component in the > rewinding circuits? > If I read the schemo right (but I should study it more to be sure), it's kind of a push-pull (or at least I think that's the correct term--2 complementary transistors that are switched on and off to turn the motor in opposite directions), but the "fast" mode is straight through, then there are other things added in to control the switching on the transistors. In acutallity, it doesn't really seem like it's too fast or too hard any more with the reel hubs correctly aligned, but I still have the problem on those types of tapes. I guess I could just figure not to use those, but since they are are a reasonably high end tape and this is a reasonably high end deck, I'd expect them to work. They are not all the same type so they aren't the same lot (I'd guess) although they are the same seller so maybe there's a storage issue or something? Actually I did have one that worked a long time ago, but got crunched in the recent tries, although that was before I discovered the loose pad and the bad hubs, so maybe it was that. Maybe. Still, seems like it shouldn't be that finicky. Thanks for all the good suggestions helping me think it through.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Aug 27 18:35:06 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 12:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Hmmm...maybe it is, maybe it isn't: continuing saga of MX-100s tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060827163506.33240.qmail@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If it happens only with these tapes, maybe it's just a tape problem. If they do the same thing on other decks you found your problem. "Kimo B. Yap" a écrit : Is it the same circuit that drives play, ff and rewind? (Maybe one for forward, one for reverse?) Maybe there's a bad component in the rewinding circuits? If I read the schemo right (but I should study it more to be sure), it's kind of a push-pull (or at least I think that's the correct term--2 complementary transistors that are switched on and off to turn the motor in opposite directions), but the "fast" mode is straight through, then there are other things added in to control the switching on the transistors. In acutallity, it doesn't really seem like it's too fast or too hard any more with the reel hubs correctly aligned, but I still have the problem on those types of tapes. I guess I could just figure not to use those, but since they are are a reasonably high end tape and this is a reasonably high end deck, I'd expect them to work. They are not all the same type so they aren't the same lot (I'd guess) although they are the same seller so maybe there's a storage issue or something? Actually I did have one that worked a long time ago, but got crunched in the recent tries, although that was before I discovered the loose pad and the bad hubs, so maybe it was that. Maybe. Still, seems like it shouldn't be that finicky. Thanks for all the good suggestions helping me think it through.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Mon Aug 28 08:42:32 2006 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:42:32 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Recommendation for servicing in New Zealand Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060828183850.00e40ac0@paradise.net.nz> For all New Zealand owners of Nakamichi's I'd like to recommend Searle Electronics of Whangarei. I've recently had a faulty CR7 fixed by them with a minimum of fuss and at a reasonable price. Communication was great and the CR7 sounds great now too!! Thanks Brett From tomas at tlec.se Mon Aug 28 14:56:24 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:56:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, www.ktl.mine.nu IMPORTANT Message Message-ID: Hello folks. I have decided to move my homepages from my own server at home to a commercial server, this is due to the load on my ADSL connection. Currently, I have capped uploads from my server to 200 kbits/sec, and currently the total upload is about 2 GBytes per day. This is causing to much strain on my connection (kids complaining, gaming you know). I'm not sure however if I can keep the current domain-names www.naks.mine.nu and www.ktl.mine.nu, since it is a "borrowed" domain from www.dyndns.org. If I need to change the domain name, I will post the new name to the groups and there will be a note on my "old" homepage, if so, please update your bookmarks to the new domain-name. I am not expecting any down-time, however there might be some time for the DNS's to be updated. At the moment I cant say when this will happen, but in the meantime, I will post news on my homepage, I will try to give a 24 hour warning before the changes is in effect. I have decided to move to servage.net, due to their generous offer for bandwidth and disk-space, and hopefully this will give you much higher download speed compared to the current (crippled) speed. At the same time I'm trying to implement some sort of working ftp for upload to the server. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From N4229K at aol.com Mon Aug 28 17:21:36 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:21:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, www.ktl.mine.nu IMPORTANT Message Message-ID: <2de.17e83500.32246400@aol.com> Hey that sounds great. I'll be standing by for the news. Regards Dean Hello folks. I have decided to move my homepages from my own server at home to a commercial server, this is due to the load on my ADSL connection. Currently, I have capped uploads from my server to 200 kbits/sec, and currently the total upload is about 2 GBytes per day. This is causing to much strain on my connection (kids complaining, gaming you know). I'm not sure however if I can keep the current domain-names www.naks.mine.nu and www.ktl.mine.nu, since it is a "borrowed" domain from www.dyndns.org. If I need to change the domain name, I will post the new name to the groups and there will be a note on my "old" homepage, if so, please update your bookmarks to the new domain-name. I am not expecting any down-time, however there might be some time for the DNS's to be updated. At the moment I cant say when this will happen, but in the meantime, I will post news on my homepage, I will try to give a 24 hour warning before the changes is in effect. I have decided to move to servage.net, due to their generous offer for bandwidth and disk-space, and hopefully this will give you much higher download speed compared to the current (crippled) speed. At the same time I'm trying to implement some sort of working ftp for upload to the server. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomas at tlec.se Tue Aug 29 04:04:16 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 04:04:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, www.ktl.mine.nu IMPORTANT Message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Forgot to mention, url is still www.naks.mine.nu, hasn't changed With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:56 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'; > Manual_Exchange at yahoogroups.com; TekScopes at yahoogroups.com; > XM-L at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, www.ktl.mine.nu IMPORTANT Message > Importance: High > > Hello folks. > I have decided to move my homepages from my own server at > home to a commercial server, this is due to the load on my > ADSL connection. > Currently, I have capped uploads from my server to 200 > kbits/sec, and currently the total upload is about 2 GBytes per day. > This is causing to much strain on my connection (kids > complaining, gaming you know). > I'm not sure however if I can keep the current domain-names > www.naks.mine.nu and www.ktl.mine.nu, since it is a > "borrowed" domain from www.dyndns.org. > If I need to change the domain name, I will post the new name > to the groups and there will be a note on my "old" homepage, > if so, please update your bookmarks to the new domain-name. > > I am not expecting any down-time, however there might be some > time for the DNS's to be updated. > At the moment I cant say when this will happen, but in the > meantime, I will post news on my homepage, I will try to give > a 24 hour warning before the changes is in effect. > > I have decided to move to servage.net, due to their generous > offer for bandwidth and disk-space, and hopefully this will > give you much higher download speed compared to the current > (crippled) speed. At the same time I'm trying to implement > some sort of working ftp for upload to the server. > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From tomas at tlec.se Tue Aug 29 03:52:35 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:52:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, www.ktl.mine.nu IMPORTANT Message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Right , I have managed to move the site, it should be fully operational by now. If you experience any problems, please let me now With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:56 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'; > Manual_Exchange at yahoogroups.com; TekScopes at yahoogroups.com; > XM-L at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, www.ktl.mine.nu IMPORTANT Message > Importance: High > > Hello folks. > I have decided to move my homepages from my own server at > home to a commercial server, this is due to the load on my > ADSL connection. > Currently, I have capped uploads from my server to 200 > kbits/sec, and currently the total upload is about 2 GBytes per day. > This is causing to much strain on my connection (kids > complaining, gaming you know). > I'm not sure however if I can keep the current domain-names > www.naks.mine.nu and www.ktl.mine.nu, since it is a > "borrowed" domain from www.dyndns.org. > If I need to change the domain name, I will post the new name > to the groups and there will be a note on my "old" homepage, > if so, please update your bookmarks to the new domain-name. > > I am not expecting any down-time, however there might be some > time for the DNS's to be updated. > At the moment I cant say when this will happen, but in the > meantime, I will post news on my homepage, I will try to give > a 24 hour warning before the changes is in effect. > > I have decided to move to servage.net, due to their generous > offer for bandwidth and disk-space, and hopefully this will > give you much higher download speed compared to the current > (crippled) speed. At the same time I'm trying to implement > some sort of working ftp for upload to the server. > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Aug 29 09:23:13 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:23:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, www.ktl.mine.nu IMPORTANT Message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:56:24 +0200, "Tomas Larsson" wrote: >Hello folks. >I have decided to move my homepages from my own server at home to a >commercial server, this is due to the load on my ADSL connection. >Currently, I have capped uploads from my server to 200 kbits/sec, and >currently the total upload is about 2 GBytes per day. >This is causing to much strain on my connection (kids complaining, gaming >you know). >I'm not sure however if I can keep the current domain-names www.naks.mine.nu >and www.ktl.mine.nu, since it is a "borrowed" domain from www.dyndns.org. >If I need to change the domain name, I will post the new name to the groups >and there will be a note on my "old" homepage, if so, please update your >bookmarks to the new domain-name. See if you can keep the names just pointing to the IP the server actually has, you can have more than one registered domain ending up at the same IP. >I am not expecting any down-time, however there might be some time for the >DNS's to be updated. Usually within 24hrs. (it is rarely taking that long). >At the moment I cant say when this will happen, but in the meantime, I will >post news on my homepage, I will try to give a 24 hour warning before the >changes is in effect. > >I have decided to move to servage.net, due to their generous offer for >bandwidth and disk-space, and hopefully this will give you much higher >download speed compared to the current (crippled) speed. At the same time >I'm trying to implement some sort of working ftp for upload to the server. Contributions to you would still go to you or will you take advantage of a fast upload area? If you choose a remote upload area it doesn't need to have its files downloadable by anyone but you, on a proper system it should be possible to set permits on the upload directory for listing and writing only for the account that uploads. This way an uploader can see if the file is there, if it is the correct size or upload another one that is complete. Deletions will be impossible from that account, as well as overwriting cannot take place either. My experiences in running a remote site are small. I have always kept things at home. And I recognise the problems you describe, when gaming the ping is too high. Noone likes to get hit by a rocket they just dodged. Especially if they did make it around the corner on their own screen ;) One workaround to keep things at home is to torrent the stuff, but that doesnot make a great site, that is just a way to distribute singles files such as manuals, specification sheets, parts lists, sales brochures and any other scanned material, research material and so on. In all formats, archived or PDF or other. -Mikkel From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Aug 29 06:06:26 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:06:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak gear idlers on eBay In-Reply-To: <20060828230624.66131.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060828230624.66131.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: will they fit the RX303 series Scott? Thanks. On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:06:24 -0500, Scott Johnson wrote: > Check this out. > > ebay auction # 230023286741 > > 10 brand new gear idlers. > They should fit the BX series, MR series and RX-202, but, I'm not > 100% positive. > > > Scott J. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From slavkag at yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 16:31:43 2006 From: slavkag at yahoo.com (slavkag) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 service manual Message-ID: <20060829143143.51704.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Does anybody have RX-202 service manual? Iactually need pages after 27 (thanks to archives of this mail list). Thanks, Slava --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Tue Aug 29 19:21:21 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:21:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 service manual References: <20060829143143.51704.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010801c6cb8f$964a6e60$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Slava, I have just sent you the pdf files offline that I kindly received from Ron in June 2006. Hope I do not go against his will by doing so ;-) Best Regards, Per. ----- Original Message ----- From: slavkag To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 service manual Hi guys, Does anybody have RX-202 service manual? I actually need pages after 27 (thanks to archives of this mail list). Thanks, Slava How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From slavkag at yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 20:52:30 2006 From: slavkag at yahoo.com (slavkag) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 service manual Message-ID: <20060829185230.73151.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Per, thank you very much! Guys, does anybody have pages after 27? There are a schematic of logic part and a wiring diagram on these missing pages that I need. Regards, Slava -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Per Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:21 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-202 service manual Hi Slava, I have just sent you the pdf files offline that I kindly received from Ron in June 2006. Hope I do not go against his will by doing so ;-) Best Regards, Per. ----- Original Message ----- From: slavkag To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 service manual Hi guys, Does anybody have RX-202 service manual? I actually need pages after 27 (thanks to archives of this mail list). Thanks, Slava How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Tue Aug 29 21:23:00 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:23:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 service manual References: <20060829185230.73151.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005b01c6cba1$57070990$b207010a@hurtignok> Sorry - did not read your msg thoroughly enough... Best, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "slavkag" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX-202 service manual > Per, thank you very much! > > Guys, does anybody have pages after 27? There are a > schematic of logic part > and a wiring diagram on these missing pages that I > need. > > Regards, > Slava > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Per > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:21 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-202 service manual > > Hi Slava, I have just sent you the pdf files > offline that I kindly received from Ron in > June 2006. Hope I do not go against his > will by doing so ;-) Best Regards, Per. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: slavkag > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:31 PM > Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 service manual > > > Hi guys, > > Does anybody have RX-202 service manual? I actually > need pages after 27 > (thanks to archives of this mail list). > > Thanks, > Slava > > > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From geospa at hotmail.com Wed Aug 30 22:48:50 2006 From: geospa at hotmail.com (geo spa) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:48:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nak dr-1 question for all Message-ID: greetings all, i found a nakamichi dr-1 for $600 in great shape (low hours). does anybody have an opinion if this is way too much for this unit? orion listed it at $330 and i know this is not as desirable as the dragon or cr-7 to nak collectors. thanks, rich _________________________________________________________________ Got something to buy, sell or swap? Try Windows Live Expo ttp://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com/ From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 31 08:08:50 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:08:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Final (I hope) analysis on the MX-S tapes/1000zxl: A little of both (long) Message-ID: <82A7A05A-8873-450F-9601-197C810250A4@alumni.caltech.edu> I think I have finally figured out the factors affecting my difficulty with the 1000zxl and the MX-S tapes in 90 or 100 lengths. At least I hope so, although only time will of course tell. The final analysis shows that both the tapes and the deck had issues, although I would classify the tape problem as more of a design rather than a manufacturing or materials flaw. First the deck. I previously mentioned the reel hubs being not aligned properly, and although this is one factor, there were also others. I also previously noted when discussing my 680zx with a similar problem (where Kannan originally suggested the back tension) that the 680zx I had was early and didn't have the "adjustable" tensioner, just one that wasn't adjustable. Turns out there's other significant differences with the "non-adjustable" one. Most obviously, the "adjustable" one only affects play, not ff/rew whereas the non-adjustable one has some effect in all modes. This is basically a spring-loaded felt disk (a little more complicated than that but for the purposes of this discussion that is sufficient) with a fairly weak thrust spring that pushes it against the inside of the supply spool. There is no corresponding issue on the take-up spool. This means that removing the reel hubs (easy to do without disassembling the deck, while fairly innocuous on the take-side, is not as simple on the supply side. What happens is if the supply spool moves too far forward (due to the pressure of the weak thrust spring no longer held back when the hub is removed), then the back tension disk, which is designed to surround the relatively large in diameter (relative to the axle on which the spool & hub turns) can slip forward enough to fall off of the larger axle mount and on to the axle itself, resulting in improper operation, and an inability to get the supply spool back far enough onto the axle as it gets wedged between the top of the axle mount and the supply spool. Once this has happened it is possible to carefully maneuver things back into place, but it takes some effort. One symptom of this is a somewhat noisier rewind and that the washer which keeps the thrust spring for the idler pulley tends to be riding against the plastic disc mounted on the supply hub that functions as the pulse generator for those machines that have electronic counters. This is what I believe caused some issues for the deck. Now for the tape part. The MX-S tapes in questions have somewhat shorter leaders than most other tapes, it appears. Other cassettes I've observed have more than one revolution worth of leader tape in the fully rewound state—probably somewhere between 1.125 and 1.25 revolutions worth of leader tape. These have closer to about 0.9, so I believe that tension difficulties on the rewind are exacerbated by the fact that the fragile tape is subjected to more of the stress. This would also explain the other mode of failure I observed, which was breaking of the tape near the leader on these cassettes. Less common, but consistent. The tape may also be extra slippery; the actual failure mode seems to be the excess tension causing the fape to slip off the pancake and get wrapped around the hub, or at least creased from partially slipping off. This is being mentioned largely for the archives...-kby From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Aug 31 09:08:15 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:08:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak dr-1 question for all Message-ID: Hi Rich, Many here will not think that is a great deal on the basis that "greater" Naks can be had for the same or less. However, the thing here is the relative newness of the model and the "low mileage" to which you refer. It is still a three discrete head assymetrical dual capstan Nakamichi with all the many design advantages of Nakamichi developed over the years. Additionally, it has manual playback azimuth adjustment. So, while it is on the high side for the model, the "low mileage" claim is much easier to believe than a low mileage claim (which is nearly every time) on giant killing Nakzillas like the CR-7, Dragon, RX-505 and 682ZX. Also, lower complexity Naks represent a saving in future maintenance challenges. I personally put a high premium on an umblemished appearance too - and it sounds as if this one fits into that category. Comments from sellers such as "there is an understandable mark on the top of the component where other equipment has been stacked" or "acceptable scuff marks considering the age of the unit", I neither understand nor accept. Anything but the fastidious care for these beautiful machines I can't comprehend. I would consider it for that price here - if it was indeed pristine and barely used. Good luck, Marc >>> geospa at hotmail.com 8/30/2006 10:48:50 PM >>> greetings all, i found a nakamichi dr-1 for $600 in great shape (low hours). does anybody have an opinion if this is way too much for this unit? orion listed it at $330 and i know this is not as desirable as the dragon or cr-7 to nak collectors. thanks, rich _________________________________________________________________ Got something to buy, sell or swap? 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If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 31 02:08:06 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:08:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] nak dry-1 question for all In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rich IMHO, the Dragon and CR7 ARE excellent decks but their standard has resulted in some measure of hype that causes them to be premium priced. The difference in price of a good DR1 against an equally good CR7 would not be proportionate to their relative performance. That said, "low hours" is not necessarily an indication of "great shape" in anything mechanical, let alone a cassette deck. Things rubber and electronic components deteriorate, while moving parts gum up through a lack of use. So, $600 for a "great shape" DR1? Personally, I'd think that price is way OTT unless you were buying a recently renovated model from the likes of ESL or some such company. Just my two cents .... others may feel different? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of geo spa Sent: 30 August 2006 21:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nak dr-1 question for all greetings all, i found a nakamichi dr-1 for $600 in great shape (low hours). does anybody have an opinion if this is way too much for this unit? orion listed it at $330 and i know this is not as desirable as the dragon or cr-7 to nak collectors. thanks, rich From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 13:21:08 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak dry-1 question for all In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060831112108.16435.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes I think, it is better to get any nak whether it is newer( still 5 -8 years old) nak or older one tuned up like alignment from some tech who has the tools. 600 $ is too much for a DR1 while you can get a decent CR7 and tune up for that price. You can also get a mint Cassette Deck1 which is same as DR1 for about 250$ - it is a later manufacture than DR1. kannan Nelson wrote: Rich IMHO, the Dragon and CR7 ARE excellent decks but their standard has resulted in some measure of hype that causes them to be premium priced. The difference in price of a good DR1 against an equally good CR7 would not be proportionate to their relative performance. That said, "low hours" is not necessarily an indication of "great shape" in anything mechanical, let alone a cassette deck. Things rubber and electronic components deteriorate, while moving parts gum up through a lack of use. So, $600 for a "great shape" DR1? Personally, I'd think that price is way OTT unless you were buying a recently renovated model from the likes of ESL or some such company. Just my two cents .... others may feel different? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of geo spa Sent: 30 August 2006 21:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nak dr-1 question for all greetings all, i found a nakamichi dr-1 for $600 in great shape (low hours). does anybody have an opinion if this is way too much for this unit? orion listed it at $330 and i know this is not as desirable as the dragon or cr-7 to nak collectors. thanks, rich ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 31 16:24:40 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:24:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Final (I hope) analysis on the MX-S tapes/1000zxl: A littleof both (long) In-Reply-To: <82A7A05A-8873-450F-9601-197C810250A4@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060831092440.0082a220@earthlink.net> What you seem to describe has is not the back tension per se, but the slip clutch to prevent tape breakage during FF and RW. Each reel has a clutch, and if the felt pad slipps or becomes sticky, tapes will break. Back tension is added by the compression spring's friction only, with no role played by the felt. What you need are "calibrated fingers". With no tape installed FF or RW and use your fingers to stall the reel. The deck will shut off as soon as the TU reel stops, but you have enough time to sense the torque present to activate the slip clutch. Then you have to guess whether the torque you feel is too much and can break the tape. Cmpare your 680ZX torque and I'll bet the 100ZXL feels higher. In Sankyo mech decks, the idler tire is the "clutch" which is why it wears out after a few years. tom brucker At 11:08 PM 8/30/06 -0700, you wrote: >I think I have finally figured out the factors affecting my >difficulty with the 1000zxl and the MX-S tapes in 90 or 100 lengths. >At least I hope so, although only time will of course tell. The final >analysis shows that both the tapes and the deck had issues, >although I would classify the tape problem as more of a design rather >than a manufacturing or materials flaw. > >First the deck. I previously mentioned the reel hubs being not >aligned properly, and although this is one factor, there were also >others. >I also previously noted when discussing my 680zx with a similar >problem (where Kannan originally suggested the back tension) that the >680zx I had >was early and didn't have the "adjustable" tensioner, just one that >wasn't adjustable. Turns out there's other significant differences >with the >"non-adjustable" one. Most obviously, the "adjustable" one only >affects play, not ff/rew whereas the non-adjustable one has some >effect in all modes. > >This is basically a spring-loaded felt disk (a little more >complicated than that but for the purposes of this discussion that is >sufficient) with a fairly weak thrust >spring that pushes it against the inside of the supply spool. There >is no corresponding issue on the take-up spool. This means that >removing the reel hubs >(easy to do without disassembling the deck, while fairly innocuous on >the take-side, is not as simple on the supply side. What happens is >if the supply spool moves too >far forward (due to the pressure of the weak thrust spring no longer >held back when the hub is removed), then the back tension disk, which >is designed >to surround the relatively large in diameter (relative to the axle on >which the spool & hub turns) can slip forward enough to fall off of >the larger axle mount and >on to the axle itself, resulting in improper operation, and an >inability to get the supply spool back far enough onto the axle as it >gets wedged between the top >of the axle mount and the supply spool. Once this has happened it is >possible to carefully maneuver things back into place, but it takes >some effort. One symptom of >this is a somewhat noisier rewind and that the washer which keeps the >thrust spring for the idler pulley tends to be riding against the >plastic disc mounted on the supply >hub that functions as the pulse generator for those machines that >have electronic counters. > >This is what I believe caused some issues for the deck. Now for the >tape part. The MX-S tapes in questions have somewhat shorter leaders >than most other tapes, it appears. >Other cassettes I've observed have more than one revolution worth of >leader tape in the fully rewound state—probably somewhere between >1.125 and 1.25 revolutions worth >of leader tape. These have closer to about 0.9, so I believe that >tension difficulties on the rewind are exacerbated by the fact that >the fragile tape is subjected to more of the stress. >This would also explain the other mode of failure I observed, which >was breaking of the tape near the leader on these cassettes. Less >common, but consistent. > >The tape may also be extra slippery; the actual failure mode seems to >be the excess tension causing the fape to slip off the pancake and >get wrapped around the hub, or at least creased from partially >slipping off. > >This is being mentioned largely for the archives...-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From luis at peromarta.org Thu Aug 31 18:20:46 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:20:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Level (VU) or peak metering? Message-ID: <44F70C5E.8000100@peromarta.org> Dear all, My old 1000ZXL used to have a VU & Peak, versus Peak only metering. None of my other naks have that feature. I do most of my recording on my CR7 and Dragon decks, monitored with a T-100, the later having a "Level" (VU) and Peak metering - again. The recording decks metering corresponds to the Peak setting on the T-100, so I complement their reading with the T-100 Level metering. For pure sin. tones, there is no difference on the readings, but with regular music programme, or testing pink noise, difference between the two is most of the times around 8 to 10 dB. I've always allowed recording to peak around +3 for chrome, +5 for metals. Now on "Level" setting this reads 8dB less - still far from 0dB. I've heard Kermit stating he would not even consider peaking over 0dB. Did you mean peak or VU ? (well, if you are out there somewhere) I know there's quite some specifications regarding ballistics, rise and decay times for VU metering, but the question is : Should I let the peaking continue at +3 or +5 - or whatever you like - or should I only care about "Level" and not allow over 0dB ? Any ideas or comments? From lenaw at flash.net Thu Aug 31 16:48:59 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Final (I hope) analysis on the MX-S tapes/1000zxl: A littleof both (long) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060831092440.0082a220@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060831144859.94553.qmail@web80221.mail.yahoo.com> Instead of using "calibrated fingers", can the torque gauge ( DA09013A ) be used instead? Thanks. Mike Hi Tech wrote: What you seem to describe has is not the back tension per se, but the slip clutch to prevent tape breakage during FF and RW. Each reel has a clutch, and if the felt pad slipps or becomes sticky, tapes will break. Back tension is added by the compression spring's friction only, with no role played by the felt. What you need are "calibrated fingers". With no tape installed FF or RW and use your fingers to stall the reel. The deck will shut off as soon as the TU reel stops, but you have enough time to sense the torque present to activate the slip clutch. Then you have to guess whether the torque you feel is too much and can break the tape. Cmpare your 680ZX torque and I'll bet the 100ZXL feels higher. In Sankyo mech decks, the idler tire is the "clutch" which is why it wears out after a few years. tom brucker At 11:08 PM 8/30/06 -0700, you wrote: >I think I have finally figured out the factors affecting my >difficulty with the 1000zxl and the MX-S tapes in 90 or 100 lengths. >At least I hope so, although only time will of course tell. The final >analysis shows that both the tapes and the deck had issues, >although I would classify the tape problem as more of a design rather >than a manufacturing or materials flaw. > >First the deck. I previously mentioned the reel hubs being not >aligned properly, and although this is one factor, there were also >others. >I also previously noted when discussing my 680zx with a similar >problem (where Kannan originally suggested the back tension) that the >680zx I had >was early and didn't have the "adjustable" tensioner, just one that >wasn't adjustable. Turns out there's other significant differences >with the >"non-adjustable" one. Most obviously, the "adjustable" one only >affects play, not ff/rew whereas the non-adjustable one has some >effect in all modes. > >This is basically a spring-loaded felt disk (a little more >complicated than that but for the purposes of this discussion that is >sufficient) with a fairly weak thrust >spring that pushes it against the inside of the supply spool. There >is no corresponding issue on the take-up spool. This means that >removing the reel hubs >(easy to do without disassembling the deck, while fairly innocuous on >the take-side, is not as simple on the supply side. What happens is >if the supply spool moves too >far forward (due to the pressure of the weak thrust spring no longer >held back when the hub is removed), then the back tension disk, which >is designed >to surround the relatively large in diameter (relative to the axle on >which the spool & hub turns) can slip forward enough to fall off of >the larger axle mount and >on to the axle itself, resulting in improper operation, and an >inability to get the supply spool back far enough onto the axle as it >gets wedged between the top >of the axle mount and the supply spool. Once this has happened it is >possible to carefully maneuver things back into place, but it takes >some effort. One symptom of >this is a somewhat noisier rewind and that the washer which keeps the >thrust spring for the idler pulley tends to be riding against the >plastic disc mounted on the supply >hub that functions as the pulse generator for those machines that >have electronic counters. > >This is what I believe caused some issues for the deck. Now for the >tape part. The MX-S tapes in questions have somewhat shorter leaders >than most other tapes, it appears. >Other cassettes I've observed have more than one revolution worth of >leader tape in the fully rewound state—probably somewhere between >1.125 and 1.25 revolutions worth >of leader tape. These have closer to about 0.9, so I believe that >tension difficulties on the rewind are exacerbated by the fact that >the fragile tape is subjected to more of the stress. >This would also explain the other mode of failure I observed, which >was breaking of the tape near the leader on these cassettes. Less >common, but consistent. > >The tape may also be extra slippery; the actual failure mode seems to >be the excess tension causing the fape to slip off the pancake and >get wrapped around the hub, or at least creased from partially >slipping off. > >This is being mentioned largely for the archives...-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 31 18:49:31 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:49:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Final (I hope) analysis on the MX-S tapes/1000zxl: A littleof both (long) Message-ID: <36BDAAD5-05B8-4F00-8E25-F676CE0EC9F7@alumni.caltech.edu> > What you need are "calibrated fingers". Is this another gauge I have to look for on ebay? How much does it run? :-) > Instead of using "calibrated fingers", can the torque gauge > ( DA09013A ) be used instead? Thanks. I'm not sure that's meant for measuring things in this range—higher than play—might damage the gauge. Plus, it's really kind of an instantaneous "peak" reading you need and it's probably not good at that either. I checked against a dragon and another 1000zxl. The dragon is older and more "used" so it is weaker; the 1000zxls are close now. I wasn't sure I could get the rewind motor up to speed enough since the auto-shutoff is on the take-up spool only (except, as I learned, for the dragon), but the one second or so delay is enough to get the motor reasonably up to speed. Now that I think about it, what was probably happening was that because things were compressed further forward and the supply spool wasn't free to move back completely on the the axle, the slip clutch you mentioned for the supply spool was compressed together harder than normal and thus had less slip.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 31 20:25:47 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:25:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Level (VU) or peak metering? Message-ID: <1943D355-CF7B-4375-B119-C0FB2C8CEAAC@alumni.caltech.edu> Part (but not all of this) depends on the content of the material. Tape is least able to take "overload" in the high frequency range, so if your material doesn't contain a lot of high frequency material you can "get away" with more (it may be a bad idea for other reasons, such as the potential for long-term print through, but everything's a compromise). One particular example might be if you were recording standard FM, there's nothing significant above 15kHz due to the way FM works, so you only have to deal with the tape's response up to 15kHz (still high, but not as much as 20kHz).-kby From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 31 21:41:12 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:41:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Final (I hope) analysis on the MX-S tapes/1000zxl: Alittleof both (long) In-Reply-To: <20060831144859.94553.qmail@web80221.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060831092440.0082a220@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060831144112.0082c3c0@earthlink.net> You'd have to have the fastest eyes on the planet. Maybe if you filmed it with a camcorder, and found the frame with the highest torque reading....! The torque gauge is for play takeup and hold back tension. There are twist type torque gauges we use for vcrs, but the cassette hub is too small. This problem just doesn't occur enough to invest in a test fixture. tom brucker At 07:48 AM 8/31/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Instead of using "calibrated fingers", can the torque gauge ( DA09013A ) be used instead? Thanks. Mike Hi Tech wrote: What you seem to describe has is not the back tension per se, but the slip clutch to prevent tape breakage during FF and RW. Each reel has a clutch, and if the felt pad slipps or becomes sticky, tapes will break. Back tension is added by the compression spring's friction only, with no role played by the felt. What you need are "calibrated fingers". With no tape installed FF or RW and use your fingers to stall the reel. The deck will shut off as soon as the TU reel stops, but you have enough time to sense the torque present to activate the slip clutch. Then you have to guess whether the torque you feel is too much and can break the tape. Cmpare your 680ZX torque and I'll bet the 100ZXL feels higher. In Sankyo mech decks, the idler tire is the "clutch" which is why it wears out after a few years. tom brucker At 11:08 PM 8/30/06 -0700, you wrote: >I think I have finally figured out the factors affecting my >difficulty with the 1000zxl and the MX-S tapes in 90 or 100 lengths. >At least I hope so, although only time will of course tell. The final >analysis shows that both the tapes and the deck had issues, >although I would classify the tape problem as more of a design rather >than a manufacturing or materials flaw. > >First the deck. I previously mentioned the reel hubs being not >aligned properly, and although this is one factor, there were also >others. >I also previously noted when discussing my 680zx with a similar >problem (where Kannan originally suggested the back tension) that the >680zx I had >was early and didn't have the "adjustable" tensioner, just one that >wasn't adjustable. Turns out there's other significant differences >with the >"non-adjustable" one. Most obviously, the "adjustable" one only >affects play, not ff/rew whereas the non-adjustable one has some >effect in all modes. > >This is basically a spring-loaded felt disk (a little more >complicated than that but for the purposes of this discussion that is >sufficient) with a fairly weak thrust >spring that pushes it against the inside of the supply spool. There >is no corresponding issue on the take-up spool. This means that >removing the reel hubs >(easy to do without disassembling the deck, while fairly innocuous on >the take-side, is not as simple on the supply side. What happens is >if the supply spool moves too >far forward (due to the pressure of the weak thrust spring no longer >held back when the hub is removed), then the back tension disk, which >is designed >to surround the relatively large in diameter (relative to the axle on >which the spool & hub turns) can slip forward enough to fall off of >the larger axle mount and >on to the axle itself, resulting in improper operation, and an >inability to get the supply spool back far enough onto the axle as it >gets wedged between the top >of the axle mount and the supply spool. Once this has happened it is >possible to carefully maneuver things back into place, but it takes >some effort. One symptom of >this is a somewhat noisier rewind and that the washer which keeps the >thrust spring for the idler pulley tends to be riding against the >plastic disc mounted on the supply >hub that functions as the pulse generator for those machines that >have electronic counters. > >This is what I believe caused some issues for the deck. Now for the >tape part. The MX-S tapes in questions have somewhat shorter leaders >than most other tapes, it appears. >Other cassettes I've observed have more than one revolution worth of >leader tape in the fully rewound state—probably somewhere between >1.125 and 1.25 revolutions worth >of leader tape. These have closer to about 0.9, so I believe that >tension difficulties on the rewind are exacerbated by the fact that >the fragile tape is subjected to more of the stress. >This would also explain the other mode of failure I observed, which >was breaking of the tape near the leader on these cassettes. Less >common, but consistent. > >The tape may also be extra slippery; the actual failure mode seems to >be the excess tension causing the fape to slip off the pancake and >get wrapped around the hub, or at least creased from partially >slipping off. > >This is being mentioned largely for the archives...-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 31 21:41:11 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:41:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Final (I hope) analysis on the MX-S tapes/1000zxl: Alittleof both (long) In-Reply-To: <36BDAAD5-05B8-4F00-8E25-F676CE0EC9F7@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060831144111.0082c3c0@earthlink.net> Kimo, Sounds like they are balanced, and that is a good sign. Calibrated fingers can be gotten by stalling every cassette deck you have and feeling the torque. It is possible to do this with take up torque, too, but the gauge's "bounciness" is a powerful diagnostic tool that calibrated fingers cannot replace. Many reel to reels use the compression spring+felt pad clutch mechanism too. tom brucker At 09:49 AM 8/31/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> What you need are "calibrated fingers". Is this another gauge I have to look for on ebay? How much does it run? :-) Instead of using "calibrated fingers", can the torque gauge ( DA09013A ) be used instead? Thanks. I'm not sure that's meant for measuring things in this range—higher than play—might damage the gauge. Plus, it's really kind of an instantaneous "peak" reading you need and it's probably not good at that either. I checked against a dragon and another 1000zxl. The dragon is older and  more "used" so it is weaker; the 1000zxls are close now. I wasn't sure I could get the rewind motor up to speed enough since the auto-shutoff is on the take-up spool only (except, as I learned, for the dragon), but the one second or so delay is enough to get the motor reasonably up to speed. Now that I think about it, what was probably happening was that because things were compressed further forward and the supply spool wasn't free to move back  completely on the the axle, the slip clutch you mentioned for the supply spool was compressed together harder than normal and thus had less slip.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 31 22:16:03 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:16:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Final (I hope) analysis on the MX-S tapes/1000zxl: Alittleof both (long) Message-ID: <71D33EAF-DAC6-4369-8AC3-7275E30E82C6@alumni.caltech.edu> > You'd have to have the fastest eyes on the planet. Maybe if you > filmed it > with a camcorder, and found the frame with the highest torque > reading....! > The torque gauge is for play takeup and hold back tension. There > are twist > type torque gauges we use for vcrs, but the cassette hub is too small. > This problem just doesn't occur enough to invest in a test fixture. Yes, what you really want is a chart recorder output or something similar. I actually have a Tentelo meter for the R2R, but the fingers are way too big to fit even if I had a cassette open or one with a hole in an appropriate place. It would suffer the same problem as the torque gauge, though; it's pretty much a calibrated-spring affair and has no provision for a data-out connection.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 22:21:38 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Final (I hope) analysis on the MX-S tapes/1000zxl: Alittleof both (long) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060831144111.0082c3c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060831202138.96663.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If this is a clutch issue - get a decent later machine - otherwise not usable or worth sacrificing for a 1000ZXL, something like LX 5 ( I do not know whether LX 3 will do? probably will). Remove the reel hubs and clutch pad and the assembly and replace it on 1000ZXL - LX should be in good shape, this would make your 1000 ZXL regain its correct spring clutch function. I have not seen this in many machines that I have worked on probably not as old as 1000ZXL . kannan Hi Tech wrote: Kimo, Sounds like they are balanced, and that is a good sign. Calibrated fingers can be gotten by stalling every cassette deck you have and feeling the torque. It is possible to do this with take up torque, too, but the gauge's "bounciness" is a powerful diagnostic tool that calibrated fingers cannot replace. Many reel to reels use the compression spring+felt pad clutch mechanism too. tom brucker At 09:49 AM 8/31/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> What you need are "calibrated fingers". Is this another gauge I have to look for on ebay? How much does it run? :-) Instead of using "calibrated fingers", can the torque gauge ( DA09013A ) be used instead? Thanks. I'm not sure that's meant for measuring things in this range—higher than play—might damage the gauge. Plus, it's really kind of an instantaneous "peak" reading you need and it's probably not good at that either. I checked against a dragon and another 1000zxl. The dragon is older and more "used" so it is weaker; the 1000zxls are close now. I wasn't sure I could get the rewind motor up to speed enough since the auto-shutoff is on the take-up spool only (except, as I learned, for the dragon), but the one second or so delay is enough to get the motor reasonably up to speed. Now that I think about it, what was probably happening was that because things were compressed further forward and the supply spool wasn't free to move back completely on the the axle, the slip clutch you mentioned for the supply spool was compressed together harder than normal and thus had less slip.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 31 22:22:06 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:22:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Final (I hope) analysis on the MX-S tapes/1000zxl: A little of both (long) Message-ID: <217DBFB8-1A3D-4486-82C6-78E76119CC0B@alumni.caltech.edu> > Sounds like they are balanced, and that is a good sign. Calibrated > fingers can be gotten by stalling every cassette deck you have and > feeling > the torque. The other clue I've found useful is the similarity and quality of the "thunk" you get when the tape does hit end--at least the average quality over a number of tries. You can use a C-60 or C-45 that isn't too fragile for this. As I mentioned earlier the MX-S 100s and 90s have particularly short leaders making them (I believe) more vulnerable than most tapes to this kind of maladjustment. I do notice that on both 1000zxls there is a slight amount higher feel for rewind than ff, but the hubs are constructed differently and it seems within tolerance. The albeit weaker dragon seems more symmetric, but that is expected as well due to its more symmetric transport.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 31 23:08:42 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:08:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Final (I hope) analysis on the MX-S tapes/1000zxl: Alittleof both (long) Message-ID: <5B1DB800-8F78-4656-A155-A6D5FC7B002D@alumni.caltech.edu> > If this is a clutch issue - get a decent later machine - otherwise > not usable or worth sacrificing for a 1000ZXL, something like LX 5 > ( I do not know whether LX 3 will do? probably will). Remove the > reel hubs and clutch pad and the assembly and replace it on > 1000ZXL - LX should be in good shape, this would make your 1000 ZXL > regain its correct spring clutch function. > I have not seen this in many machines that I have worked on > probably not as old as 1000ZXL . > kannan I think the clutches themselves are fine; the rear one was just excessively compressed for reasons I mentioned in another post in this thread. These are actually much lower use (and not degraded) clutches than the other decks I've got, though, so they actually have a bit more "grab" than some of the older machines (not necessarily a desirable trait in this case). I seem to recall the centrifugal ball-bearing clutches were much more problematic in practice on the 700 II although they were really clever and seemed like a good idea.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From btorre at ix.netcom.com Thu Aug 31 19:58:50 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:58:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Level (VU) or peak metering? In-Reply-To: <44F70C5E.8000100@peromarta.org> References: <44F70C5E.8000100@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060831135351.03d55c20@ix.netcom.com> At 12:20 PM 8/31/06, you wrote: >I know there's quite some specifications regarding ballistics, rise >and decay times for VU metering Just in case the gang here is interested... http://www.richardhess.net/ampex/Historical%20VU%20Meter%20Docs/ The documents contained therein are where it all started, and might answer a few questions about metering. Hope this helps, Ben g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2006\2006-July.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Jul 2 00:58:51 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 17:58:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dbx (noise reduction) - Factbites Message-ID: DBX 101. I thought this might interest you. I bought a nice DBXSNR-1 Noise reduction unit, and thought I might use it when recording some of my very best older pre-recorded tapes onto fresh quality tape, and also, what with the scare about CD's delaminating, also to transfer my best CD's onto tape.From what i understand, If you wanna do tape trading, the person on the other end doesnt necessarily need a DBX tape deck, or a processor , to enjoy the Noise reduction benefits. -- From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Jul 2 04:44:53 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 22:44:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] HI Ron progress CR7A now playing& recording but only on 1 channel only! Message-ID: <3f2.56bd52c.31d88d25@aol.com> Hi Ron, A 100uF cap located near the IC 401 was open replacing it restored the missing voltages on CN 40 and CN5 terminals and part of CN5 terminal but I have run into a problem ! I cannot understand the voltages and connection that Nakamichi shows in the schematics on terminal CN5 which show -12v, +12 ,gnd , 5.6 voltage and15 volts on this terminal and the 5.6v and 15 v lines conneted directly to 5.6 and 15 volts lines of CN6 , the -12V and only +12v connected to direct from the CN 40 but looking carefully on the printed circuit side of the PSU board you can that all terminals are connected diretcly to the nearby CN 40 only and hence all the voltages on CN 5 terminals are duplicate of those on CN 40 whose voltages being c. two -12 v lines , gnd and two +12 lines, in the schematic it shows that the 5.6 v line on one of the terminal on CN6 is connected direct to one of the terminal of CN 5 as is the case of the 15v line on one of the CN 6 please help me understand as to what is the Nakamichi logic in doing so?! Do you think that the missing 15v and 5.6 v on CN5 terminal might be why the left channel is not working?! on play back and record and why the deck is still not doing auto cal sucessfully! The deck line IN preamp is working in both channels when source was selected making a recording resulted in recording taking place on right channel only! and playback is also on the right channel no recording or playback is taking place on left channel line audio was inputed from a cd player. Except auto cal and missing left channel audio in play and record the deck is otherwise working fine now! Do you think the problem remaining might be the result of missing 15 v and 5.6v on CN 5 terminals? Right now only the -12 v and+12 v from this terminal are to the logic board. I have raked by brains as to how Nakamichi shows one set of connections in the schematic diagram and different connection on the actual connections on the circuit board in regard of CN5 terminals, maybe I am doing something wrong ! you having more experience than me will know what I am doing wrong and also Where do we go from here?!! As usual your kind help to get this BEAUTY! to work like new! again is very much appreciated! Wishing you a great 4th of July holiday weekend! Many Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 2 14:38:32 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 07:38:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] HI Ron progress CR7A now playing& recording but only on 1channel only! In-Reply-To: <3f2.56bd52c.31d88d25@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060702073832.00bb4838@pop.earthlink.net> Missing power will not stop one channel. I would check the wire continuity through each head. You can measure at the connectors. Be sure demagnetize after measuring. tom brucker At 10:44 PM 7/1/2006 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Hi Ron, A 100uF cap located near the IC 401 was open replacing it restored the missing voltages on CN 40 and CN5 terminals and part of CN5 terminal but I have run into a problem ! I cannot understand the voltages and connection that Nakamichi shows in the schematics on terminal CN5 which show -12v, +12 ,gnd , 5.6 voltage and15 volts on this terminal and the 5.6v and 15 v lines conneted directly to 5.6 and 15 volts lines of CN6 , the -12V and only +12v connected to direct from the CN 40 but looking carefully on the printed circuit side of the PSU board you can that all terminals are connected diretcly to the nearby CN 40 only and hence all the voltages on CN 5 terminals are duplicate of those on CN 40 whose voltages being c. two -12 v lines , gnd and two +12 lines, in the schematic it shows that the 5.6 v line on one of the terminal on CN6 is connected direct to one of the terminal of CN 5 as is the case of the 15v line on one of the CN 6 please help me understand as to what is the Nakamichi logic in doing so?! Do you think that the missing 15v and 5.6 v on CN5 terminal might be why the left channel is not working?! on play back and record and why the deck is still not doing auto cal sucessfully! The deck line IN preamp is working in both channels when source was selected making a recording resulted in recording taking place on right channel only! and playback is also on the right channel no recording or playback is taking place on left channel line audio was inputed from a cd player. Except auto cal and missing left channel audio in play and record the deck is otherwise working fine now! Do you think the problem remaining might be the result of missing 15 v and 5.6v on CN 5 terminals? Right now only the -12 v and+12 v from this terminal are to the logic board. I have raked by brains as to how Nakamichi shows one set of connections in the schematic diagram and different connection on the actual connections on the circuit board in regard of CN5 terminals, maybe I am doing something wrong ! you having more experience than me will know what I am doing wrong and also Where do we go from here?!! As usual your kind help to get this BEAUTY! to work like new! again is very much appreciated! Wishing you a great 4th of July holiday weekend! Many Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Jul 2 14:50:15 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 12:50:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie: Which NAK to go for ? Message-ID: Hi I want to go fora NAK and need your advice for this. The purpose is to play some of my old rare recordings on tape and also record new material. The features im interested in are : 1) great sound quality .. warmth and clarity of recording and playback. 2) easy to maintain ... will not breakdown every now n then 3) Will last my lifetime (i hope :)) 4) Wont cost me an arm and leg. So keeping these points in mind what would be the range of choices ? Thank you for your inputs Best regards _________________________________________________________________ Who will win Bollywood�s most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! Cast your vote! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp06/IIFA2006/static/weekend.asp From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jul 2 14:59:08 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 08:59:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] HI Ron progress CR7A now playing& recording but only on 1 channel only! In-Reply-To: <3f2.56bd52c.31d88d25@aol.com> References: <3f2.56bd52c.31d88d25@aol.com> Message-ID: <44A7C31C.6040808@rcn.com> BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ron, A 100uF cap located near the IC 401 was open replacing it > restored the missing voltages on CN 40 and CN5 terminals and part of CN5 > terminal but I have run into a problem ! > I cannot understand the voltages and connection that Nakamichi shows in > the schematics on terminal CN5 which show -12v, +12 ,gnd , 5.6 voltage > and15 volts on this terminal and the 5.6v and 15 v lines conneted > directly to 5.6 and 15 volts lines of CN6 , the -12V and only +12v > connected to direct from the CN 40 but looking carefully on the printed > circuit side of the PSU board you can that all terminals are connected > diretcly to the nearby CN 40 only and hence all the voltages on CN 5 > terminals are duplicate of those on CN 40 whose voltages being c. two > -12 v lines , gnd and two +12 lines, in the schematic it shows that > the 5.6 v line on one of the terminal on CN6 is connected direct to one > of the terminal of CN 5 as is the case of the 15v line on one of the > CN 6 please help me understand as to what is the Nakamichi logic in > doing so?! I am not sure what is it, exactly, that you do not understand. This is their way of distributing voltages -- each connector feeds a different destination. > Do you think that the missing 15v and 5.6 v on CN5 terminal might be why > the left channel is not working?! on play back and record and why the > deck is still not doing auto cal sucessfully! I am not sure why only the left channel doesn't work, but why even bother? As i have already stated, it is pointless to check anything else until *all* voltages are correct, after all cables are connected. > The deck line IN preamp is working in both channels when source was > selected making a recording resulted in recording taking place on right > channel only! and playback is also on the right channel no recording or > playback is taking place on left channel line audio was inputed from a > cd player. Except auto cal and missing left channel audio in play and > record the deck is otherwise working fine now! > > Do you think the problem remaining might be the result of missing 15 v > and 5.6v on CN 5 terminals? Probably. But, again: it is pointless to check anything else until *all* voltages are correct, after all cables are connected. > Right now only the -12 v and+12 v from this > terminal are to the logic board. I have raked by brains as to how > Nakamichi shows one set of connections in the schematic diagram and > different connection on the actual connections on the circuit board in > regard of CN5 terminals, maybe I am doing something wrong ! You are possibly overlooking a track on the PCB? In any case, if CN-5 doesn't have +5.6V, the logic board will not work. But this is immaterial, because it is pointless to check anything else until *all* voltages are correct, after all cables are connected. > you > having more experience than me will know what I am doing wrong and > also Where do we go from here?!! Fix all faults on the PS PCB. Don't bother to check anything else until *all* voltages are correct, after all cables are connected. -- Ron > As usual your kind help to get this BEAUTY! to work like new! again is > very much appreciated! Wishing you a great 4th of July holiday > weekend! Many Thanks! > > With Best Regards! > Ali From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Jul 2 15:12:30 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:12:30 EDT Subject: [naktalk] I CANT BELEIVE IT!! NAKAMICHI CR 7A NOW FIXED! AND WORKING LIKE NEW! WOW!! Message-ID: <423.519420d.31d9203e@aol.com> HI Ron! GOOD NEW!!! ALL PROBLEMS SOLVED! ON THE NAKAMICHI CR7A . Both channels are working , playback and recording working like new! awesome dynamics in music, head cleaned demagznetized! there was a loose connection on the main pcb. AUTO CAL WORKING PERFECT tested auto cal on both TDK SA and Maxwell XL 2 tape! I CANT BELEIVE IT RON! I ACTUALLY FIXED THE MACHINE LIKE NEW!! The 5.6 and 15 volts are provided by the CN6 to logic board so my reason of thinking was flawed in my last email and all is well know! Talk about a great 4th july present! is terms of this beauty working like new again!! THANKS RON! YOU ARE A GREAT GUY! WITHOUT YOUR HELP I DONT THINK IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jul 2 22:21:09 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:21:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I CANT BELEIVE IT!! NAKAMICHI CR 7A NOW FIXED! AND WORKING LIKE NEW! WOW!! In-Reply-To: <423.519420d.31d9203e@aol.com> References: <423.519420d.31d9203e@aol.com> Message-ID: <44A82AB5.4080207@rcn.com> Congratulations!!! Enjoy your CR-7. -- Ron BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > HI Ron! GOOD NEW!!! ALL PROBLEMS SOLVED! ON THE NAKAMICHI CR7A . Both > channels are working , playback and recording working like new! awesome > dynamics in music, head cleaned demagznetized! there was a loose > connection on the main pcb. AUTO CAL WORKING PERFECT tested auto cal on > both TDK SA and Maxwell XL 2 tape! > > I CANT BELEIVE IT RON! I ACTUALLY FIXED THE MACHINE LIKE NEW!! The 5.6 > and 15 volts are provided by the CN6 to logic board so my reason of > thinking was flawed in my last email and all is well know! Talk about a > great 4th july present! is terms of this beauty working like new again!! > > THANKS RON! YOU ARE A GREAT GUY! WITHOUT YOUR HELP I DONT THINK IT WOULD > HAVE HAPPENED! > > With Best Regards! > Ali From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 2 22:32:22 2006 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:32:22 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Newbie: Which NAK to go for ? Message-ID: A superb up-tod-date LX-5 at $200 will do the job. If you want to go an arm and a leg - a ZX-7 (superb) at $650. Oh - there are othe Naks, I just can't tell you the whole story on email!. - Mark Exstedt (Dragon owner and wish I owned a 680ZX). >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Newbie: Which NAK to go for ? >Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 12:50:15 +0000 > >Hi >I want to go fora NAK and need your advice for this. The purpose is to play >some of my old rare recordings on tape and also record new material. >The features im interested in are : >1) great sound quality .. warmth and clarity of recording and playback. >2) easy to maintain ... will not breakdown every now n then >3) Will last my lifetime (i hope :)) >4) Wont cost me an arm and leg. > >So keeping these points in mind what would be the range of choices ? > >Thank you for your inputs > >Best regards > >_________________________________________________________________ >Who will win Bollywood�s most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! Cast your >vote! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp06/IIFA2006/static/weekend.asp > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 3 01:06:29 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 18:06:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie: Which NAK to go for ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060702180629.00b56008@pop.earthlink.net> LX3 or 480 are great if you do not prioritize recording tom brucker At 12:50 PM 7/2/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hi >I want to go fora NAK and need your advice for this. The purpose is to play >some of my old rare recordings on tape and also record new material. >The features im interested in are : >1) great sound quality .. warmth and clarity of recording and playback. >2) easy to maintain ... will not breakdown every now n then >3) Will last my lifetime (i hope :)) >4) Wont cost me an arm and leg. > >So keeping these points in mind what would be the range of choices ? > >Thank you for your inputs > >Best regards > >_________________________________________________________________ >Who will win Bollywood�s most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! Cast your >vote! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp06/IIFA2006/static/weekend.asp > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jul 3 04:12:08 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:12:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dbx (noise reduction) - Factbites Message-ID: <36ABB546-87F8-4820-B845-32B9599DBAAA@alumni.caltech.edu> > If you wanna do tape trading, the person on > the other end doesnt necessarily need a DBX tape deck, or a > processor , to > enjoy the Noise reduction benefits. I'm not sure where you got this impression from the article you read. It is long, and, although I did not read it thoroughly as I have used dbx and have at least some understanding of it. When used as an actual noise reduction unit, it requires dbx of the same configuration on both ends Perhaps if you use it as an "enhancement" unit, more functionally in volume terms like you'd use a parametric equalizer in frequency terms and record the "modified" signal, then resulting recording doesn't need dbx to play it back, but this is not technically 'simple' noise reduction.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 07:29:25 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 05:29:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie: Which NAK to go for ? Message-ID: Hi Tom Recording is a major opriority. LX and ZX were suggested .. but im curious .. arent these decks too old ? I mean for that kind of age most of the eectrolytic capacitors are probably at their life's end (unless theyve been powered up regularly) And arent the newer NAKS like RX, CR, DR, MR etc any good ? Thanks and Best regards _________________________________________________________________ Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 11:21:01 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:21:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie: Which NAK to go for ? Message-ID: My dear friend, We are all chatting abouth "OLD & USE" decks...seems me IMPOSSIBLE...to find any "BRAND NEW" Nakamichi deck...so...!, soon or later will needed to be REPAIR! which today is NO so cheap...! Sorry but is TRUE!!! Also...when some Nak owner WANT to sell his item...near 100% sure that HAS A PROBLEM...to be "Gentle"...so...MY HEART FULLY ADVICE is, very simple...!. Look for a new cheap other cassette brand...maybe "LESS" good as an 100% perfectly working Nak...but as you wrote...you DON'T... want to "SPELL" a lot of money on a TOP 100% perfectly working cassette deck. Only "REALLY LOVELY FANS"...like ALL the "OLDIE", members on this forum...will insist to own/repair & continue his sole enjoyment with a Nak deck!. I say it!!!! ALEX! >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Newbie: Which NAK to go for ? >Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 05:29:25 +0000 > >Hi Tom >Recording is a major opriority. > >LX and ZX were suggested .. but im curious .. arent these decks too old ? I >mean for that kind of age most of the eectrolytic capacitors are probably >at their life's end (unless theyve been powered up regularly) > >And arent the newer NAKS like RX, CR, DR, MR etc any good ? > >Thanks and Best regards > >_________________________________________________________________ >Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search >http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From N4229K at aol.com Mon Jul 3 12:59:27 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:59:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Dbx (noise reduction) - Factbites Message-ID: <9e.3bb51b82.31da528f@aol.com> Yes, an SNR 1 is just a noise hiss filter which works so well and easy to use. I use it also in my transfers. You are also correct as is does no encoding so playback is un efected. Dean In a message dated 7/2/2006 6:12:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gjgkerrtx at ktc.com writes: DBX 101. I thought this might interest you. I bought a nice DBXSNR-1 Noise reduction unit, and thought I might use it when recording some of my very best older pre-recorded tapes onto fresh quality tape, and also, what with the scare about CD's delaminating, also to transfer my best CD's onto tape.From what i understand, If you wanna do tape trading, the person on the other end doesnt necessarily need a DBX tape deck, or a processor , to enjoy the Noise reduction benefits. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaelberer at comcast.net Mon Jul 3 12:56:23 2006 From: kaelberer at comcast.net (Russ Kaelberer) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 04:56:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] inexpensive playback deck - Newbie Message-ID: <002d01c69e8f$53c92180$6400a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> Hi all: happy to finally subscribe as I have a newbie question. Watching some used machines on eBay. I have ~250 Maxell XL cassettes mastered on my then new RX-202 (about 85-92.) And I have ~350 Maxell XL cassettes mastered on a clean, mint, studio MR-1, and some done on an MR-2, under "smoky" nightclub conditions. I wish to transfer these in dry, .wav format to PC, then have fun with all the DAW software I have. I have NO need to record; only to optimize playback. Short of an inexpensive (oxymoron) DR-1, Cassette Deck 1, or CR-7, for manual azimuth, I am trying to decide on a few decks. Given pricing and overall condition equal :-), and knowing that I would only need an occasional tweak to the azimuth screw, what deck would you folks recommend at about ~$100 (excluding shipping, etc. ?) I used to produce "live" dance shows from nightclubs for FM broadcast. About half my library is live show "off the air," and the rest 12" single mixes from a Technics SL-1200 to the Nak. Currently listed are: (3) CR-1As (would really like digital counter) CR-2A [can probably get for ~$70] (I can personally inspect and P/U-have talked w/seller) CR-3A [already $102.50] (don't really need third head) DR-3 [relisted again-1 starting bid at 49.00] (is also local) BX-300 [$15] pulley problem (could be steal???) CR-7A [$25.00 current] SN# 07356, remote, from original owner, picture on nice marble table, finest ever made, blah3, I WON'T BOTHER :-) (Does really look MINT) DR-1 new listing (don't really want to wait and get in the last minute $200 fight. MR-1, MR-2 seems to be a "constant" market for low price if you just wait I have a 30yr ham license, am not afraid to open the box, can read a schematic, etc., but would prefer a deck not needing major gear/pulley/etc. repairs, unless it was a steal. Anyone with an idea would be appreciated. Also, is there a Nak model that's consistently under priced on the used market that I should watch for. BTW-not stuck on $100, would go $200 if the deal was right. Thank you in advance for all your opinions, and I look forward to the responses. Russ, Denver, CO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 3 14:19:57 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 08:19:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie: Which NAK to go for ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44A90B6D.70507@rcn.com> I'm afraid I have to disagree with the all replies: those you got so far and those you'll get in the future. The answer is, there is no such Nak as you describe. IOW, there is no Nak that meets you requirements. First: you'll get 'great sound quality' only from comparatively expensive Naks. Cheap ones (say, BX-1 for $30 to $60) are 'OK', maybe 'good', but 'great', they ain't. Also, you wish for 'warmth'. Warmth stems from high even harmonic distortion; many audiophiles will disagree that this is goodness. Second: 'easy to maintain' depends more on the maintainer than on the deck. The better Naks are 20 years old and up. They *will* break down form time to time and *will* require some maintenance (how much and how often depends on the model, the specific deck and some luck). Third, you want it to last a life time. Well, Nakamichi products are built well, but certainly, far from best. You'll do better with a ReVox deck (still sound great, though possibly not quite as great as a high end Nak; certainly, more expensive) or a new Xxxxx (won't sound as good, cost more, but may last your lifetime, depending on how old you are and how you treat it). Fourth, you want it for low cost... Join the club. In short, with that wish list, you are absolutely guaranteed to be disappointed. I used to work for a large computer company. The going joke was that a computer can be of high quality, high performance or low cost and you can pick any two... -- Ron noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi > I want to go fora NAK and need your advice for this. The purpose is to > play some of my old rare recordings on tape and also record new material. > The features im interested in are : > 1) great sound quality .. warmth and clarity of recording and playback. > 2) easy to maintain ... will not breakdown every now n then > 3) Will last my lifetime (i hope :)) > 4) Wont cost me an arm and leg. > > So keeping these points in mind what would be the range of choices ? > > Thank you for your inputs > > Best regards From lb61 at optonline.net Mon Jul 3 14:50:26 2006 From: lb61 at optonline.net (mario) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 08:50:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ES Labs Message-ID: <44A91292.8030706@optonline.net> Will they sell me grease, oil and two cam belts for BX-300? Or can someone recommend where and what to buy I don't know which grease, oil or belts are appropriate./ From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 15:20:49 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Newbie: Which NAK to go for ? In-Reply-To: <44A90B6D.70507@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060703132049.54951.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree wit you Ron There is no Nakamichi deck that can be bought very cheap without problems or misalignment. Secondly getting some parts ( like capstan belts ) may be very difficult. So the ultimate cost of ownership including maintanence is higher that what you wish for. Only thing I am sure is somebody in this forum will help you with information , guidance or parts so that your Nakamichi Deck can be brought back to life. But getting a nakamichi performing to its best for few dollars - forget it. Another interesting observation - metal tapes required for getting the best of Nakamichi may cost 10 -20 $range for C90 length. So ten blank metal tapes may cost more than the Deck itself. Kannan Ron wrote: I'm afraid I have to disagree with the all replies: those you got so far and those you'll get in the future. The answer is, there is no such Nak as you describe. IOW, there is no Nak that meets you requirements. First: you'll get 'great sound quality' only from comparatively expensive Naks. Cheap ones (say, BX-1 for $30 to $60) are 'OK', maybe 'good', but 'great', they ain't. Also, you wish for 'warmth'. Warmth stems from high even harmonic distortion; many audiophiles will disagree that this is goodness. Second: 'easy to maintain' depends more on the maintainer than on the deck. The better Naks are 20 years old and up. They *will* break down form time to time and *will* require some maintenance (how much and how often depends on the model, the specific deck and some luck). Third, you want it to last a life time. Well, Nakamichi products are built well, but certainly, far from best. You'll do better with a ReVox deck (still sound great, though possibly not quite as great as a high end Nak; certainly, more expensive) or a new Xxxxx (won't sound as good, cost more, but may last your lifetime, depending on how old you are and how you treat it). Fourth, you want it for low cost... Join the club. In short, with that wish list, you are absolutely guaranteed to be disappointed. I used to work for a large computer company. The going joke was that a computer can be of high quality, high performance or low cost and you can pick any two... -- Ron --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Jul 3 15:54:44 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:54:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ES Labs In-Reply-To: <44A91292.8030706@optonline.net> Message-ID: <000b01c69ea8$3df52c50$a4c3db40@CPQ16585250299> They don't sell part anymore. You can buy comparable grease and oil anywhere though. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of mario Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:50 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] ES Labs Will they sell me grease, oil and two cam belts for BX-300? Or can someone recommend where and what to buy I don't know which grease, oil or belts are appropriate./ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 3 16:15:45 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:15:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ES Labs In-Reply-To: <44A91292.8030706@optonline.net> References: <44A91292.8030706@optonline.net> Message-ID: <44A92691.9010609@rcn.com> This is probably blasphemy, but I use light machine oil for capstan bearings, general purpose grease for pivots and moving surfaces and generic Lithium grease for plastic parts. Belts are different story. I have used nothing but original Nakamichi belts so far, but the last one was replaced like several years ago. I doubt these are still available and don't know where the next one is coming from. I've used generic idler tires for Sankyo transports. Never had a problem with these, except that they last no longer than 2 or 3 years -- about the same as original Nakamichi tires. -- Ron mario wrote: > Will they sell me grease, oil and two cam belts for BX-300? > > Or can someone recommend where and what to buy I don't know which > grease, oil or belts are appropriate./ > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 3 22:12:08 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:12:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] inexpensive playback deck - Newbie In-Reply-To: <002d01c69e8f$53c92180$6400a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> References: <002d01c69e8f$53c92180$6400a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> Message-ID: <44A97A18.4080504@rcn.com> Since you wish to optimize PB, you want a 3 head machine. Since you seem to be inclined to budegetary limitations, a BX-300, MR-1 or possible CR-3 may best meet your needs. -- Ron Russ Kaelberer wrote: > Hi all: happy to finally subscribe as I have a newbie question. Watching > some used machines on eBay. I have ~250 Maxell XL cassettes mastered on > my then new RX-202 (about 85-92.) And I have ~350 Maxell XL cassettes > mastered on a clean, mint, studio MR-1, and some done on an MR-2, under > “smoky” nightclub conditions. I wish to transfer these in dry, .wav > format to PC, then have fun with all the DAW software I have. > > > > I have NO need to record; only to optimize playback. Short of an > inexpensive (oxymoron) DR-1, Cassette Deck 1, or CR-7, for manual > azimuth, I am trying to decide on a few decks. Given pricing and overall > condition equal J, and knowing that I would only need an occasional > tweak to the azimuth screw, what deck would you folks recommend at about > ~$100 (excluding shipping, etc. ?) I used to produce “live” dance shows > from nightclubs for FM broadcast. About half my library is live show > “off the air,” and the rest 12” single mixes from a Technics SL-1200 to > the Nak. > > > > Currently listed are: > > (3) CR-1As (would really like digital counter) > > CR-2A [can probably get for ~$70] (I can personally inspect and P/U—have > talked w/seller) > > CR-3A [already $102.50] (don’t really need third head) > > DR-3 [relisted again-1 starting bid at 49.00] (is also local) > > BX-300 [$15] pulley problem (could be steal???) > > CR-7A [$25.00 current] SN# 07356, remote, from original owner, picture > on nice marble table, finest ever made, blah3, I WON’T BOTHER J (Does > really look MINT) > > DR-1 new listing (don’t really want to wait and get in the last minute > $200 fight. > > MR-1, MR-2 seems to be a “constant” market for low price if you just wait > > > > I have a 30yr ham license, am not afraid to open the box, can read a > schematic, etc., but would prefer a deck not needing major > gear/pulley/etc. repairs, unless it was a steal. Anyone with an idea > would be appreciated. Also, is there a Nak model that’s consistently > under priced on the used market that I should watch for. > > > > BTW-not stuck on $100, would go $200 if the deal was right. Thank you in > advance for all your opinions, and I look forward to the responses. > > > > Russ, > > Denver, CO > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 3 15:16:10 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 08:16:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie: Which NAK to go for ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060703081610.00b19278@pop.earthlink.net> I might be too old, but classic Naks are better in my opinion, than newer decks. My all time favorite is the 682ZX. A ZX7 or 9 is fine. The CR7 or BX300 are good on a budget. tom brucker At 05:29 AM 7/3/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Tom >Recording is a major opriority. > >LX and ZX were suggested .. but im curious .. arent these decks too old ? I >mean for that kind of age most of the eectrolytic capacitors are probably at >their life's end (unless theyve been powered up regularly) > >And arent the newer NAKS like RX, CR, DR, MR etc any good ? > >Thanks and Best regards > >_________________________________________________________________ >Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search >http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From pawel at bartuzi.org Mon Jul 3 23:18:11 2006 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:18:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] the vintage cassette project In-Reply-To: <44A2C7D4.8050907@xs4all.nl> References: <7875.212.78.164.66.1151506461.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <004e01c69ace$0329a840$b207010a@hurtignok> <44A2C7D4.8050907@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <44A98993.1000609@bartuzi.org> Wouter Heijke wrote: > I'm working on: > -product comparison > -ebay listings per product (+history!) > Stay tuned! This site is just great, it's a pity I can't contribute any information as I have no information you wouldn't already know. :-) But, would you consider including some kind of subjective evaluation on deck information pages, like: is that model well regarded, what is general opinion about it and so on? -- Pawel From pawel at bartuzi.org Mon Jul 3 23:27:28 2006 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:27:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie: Which NAK to go for ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44A98BC0.706@bartuzi.org> noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > I want to go fora NAK and need your advice for this. The purpose is to > play some of my old rare recordings on tape and also record new material. > The features im interested in are : > 1) great sound quality .. warmth and clarity of recording and playback. > 2) easy to maintain ... will not breakdown every now n then > 3) Will last my lifetime (i hope :)) > 4) Wont cost me an arm and leg. > > So keeping these points in mind what would be the range of choices ? If you want to play old tapes I would recommend one of Naks that have user adjustable playback head azimuth: Dragon, CR-7 or Cassette Deck 1/DR1. Of these only Cassette Deck 1 or DR1 can be bought relatively cheap. I don't know if these are easy to maintain or will last your lifetime - but I would be very interested what would Tom Brucker say about Cassette Deck 1/DR1? As a relatively new Naks these seem to be disregarded among serious Nak fans, but I must say my Cassette Deck 1 sounds excellent, very true and clear, and adjustable playback azimuth does wonders in finding what a great sound is hidden on those old tapes! Just be sure to get the deck with Sankyo capstan motor inside... The original Matsushita ones have opinion to break easily. -- Pawel From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jul 4 09:30:13 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:30:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] the vintage cassette project In-Reply-To: <44A98993.1000609@bartuzi.org> References: <7875.212.78.164.66.1151506461.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <004e01c69ace$0329a840$b207010a@hurtignok> <44A2C7D4.8050907@xs4all.nl> <44A98993.1000609@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <17745.212.78.164.66.1151998213.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Nice you like it! I'm planning rating per product, so you can give it your 'stars', also writing of a review per product is going to be added. If you have more suggestions please post them, maybe I forgot one ;-) My main focus now is 'content', so adding pictures/features/products etc. Nick is flooding me with pictures right now so I'm quite busy! Wouter > Wouter Heijke wrote: >> I'm working on: >> -product comparison >> -ebay listings per product (+history!) >> Stay tuned! > This site is just great, it's a pity I can't contribute any information > as I have no information you wouldn't already know. :-) But, would you > consider including some kind of subjective evaluation on deck > information pages, like: is that model well regarded, what is general > opinion about it and so on? > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jul 4 13:07:34 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:07:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan Message-ID: <4254.212.78.164.66.1152011254.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> This is something i come across while gathering information for the new site. Many decks have 'dual capstan' and others have 'closed loop dual capstan'.. maybe a silly question but is this just marketing or is there no difference between the two? It seems the same to me. Wouter From herbchong at compuserve.com Tue Jul 4 13:22:37 2006 From: herbchong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 07:22:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan References: <4254.212.78.164.66.1152011254.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000401c69f5c$27d50f80$0300a8c0@tower1> they are the same thing. Herb.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan > > > This is something i come across while gathering information for the new > site. > Many decks have 'dual capstan' and others have 'closed loop dual > capstan'.. maybe a silly question but is this just marketing or is there > no difference between the two? It seems the same to me. > > Wouter From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Tue Jul 4 14:32:30 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:32:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan In-Reply-To: <4254.212.78.164.66.1152011254.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <4254.212.78.164.66.1152011254.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <18985630079.20060704143230@kharkov.ua> Hello Wouter, I would guess the 'closed loop dual capstan' is driven by just one motor (Direct drive like in CR4,CR5,CR7 or both capstans belt driven) whereas the 'dual capstan' can mean that each capstan is driven by its own direct drive motor like in Dragon. Sergei Tuesday, July 4, 2006, 1:07:34 PM, you wrote: WH> This is something i come across while gathering information for the new site. WH> Many decks have 'dual capstan' and others have 'closed loop dual WH> capstan'.. maybe a silly question but is this just marketing or is there WH> no difference between the two? It seems the same to me. WH> Wouter WH> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= WH> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register WH> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= WH> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist WH> Maintain your account here: WH> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk WH> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Best regards, Sergei mailto:vorontsov at kharkov.ua From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jul 4 14:45:53 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:45:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan In-Reply-To: <18985630079.20060704143230@kharkov.ua> References: <4254.212.78.164.66.1152011254.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <18985630079.20060704143230@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <17871.212.78.164.66.1152017153.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Sergei, Never explained it this way... good point! Wouter > Hello Wouter, > > I would guess the 'closed loop dual capstan' is driven by > just one motor (Direct drive like in CR4,CR5,CR7 or both capstans belt > driven) > whereas the 'dual capstan' can mean that each capstan > is driven by its own direct drive motor like in Dragon. > > Sergei > > Tuesday, July 4, 2006, 1:07:34 PM, you wrote: > > > WH> This is something i come across while gathering information for the > new site. > WH> Many decks have 'dual capstan' and others have 'closed loop dual > WH> capstan'.. maybe a silly question but is this just marketing or is > there > WH> no difference between the two? It seems the same to me. > > WH> Wouter > > WH> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > WH> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > WH> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > WH> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > WH> Maintain your account here: > WH> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > WH> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > Best regards, > Sergei mailto:vorontsov at kharkov.ua > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jul 4 15:08:50 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:08:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan In-Reply-To: <18985630079.20060704143230@kharkov.ua> References: <4254.212.78.164.66.1152011254.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <18985630079.20060704143230@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <44AA6862.40401@rcn.com> I don't know for sure what Nakamichi had in mind, either, but would guess that it's the exact opposite. In servo design, the term 'closed loop' refers to the feedback loop, which is the way the Dragon capstans are controlled. In Sankyo transports, speed accuracy relies on a rubber belt, with no feedback; that's 'open loop' control. (Assuming correct servo design, the closed loop approach would be more accurate.) Based on that, the Dragon is closed loop and the CR-7 is open loop. -- Ron Sergei Vorontsov wrote: > Hello Wouter, > > I would guess the 'closed loop dual capstan' is driven by > just one motor (Direct drive like in CR4,CR5,CR7 or both capstans belt driven) > whereas the 'dual capstan' can mean that each capstan > is driven by its own direct drive motor like in Dragon. > > Sergei > > Tuesday, July 4, 2006, 1:07:34 PM, you wrote: > > > WH> This is something i come across while gathering information for the new site. > WH> Many decks have 'dual capstan' and others have 'closed loop dual > WH> capstan'.. maybe a silly question but is this just marketing or is there > WH> no difference between the two? It seems the same to me. > > WH> Wouter > > WH> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > WH> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > WH> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > WH> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > WH> Maintain your account here: > WH> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > WH> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 15:30:55 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 06:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan In-Reply-To: <44AA6862.40401@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060704133055.14399.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron I do not think it is the feedback between two capstans - that way Dragon is the only feedback design with control between these two capstan drives. But it means that the DD motor has a feedback loop using a sensor. All DD motors are ( sankyo as well as Nak classic transport including ZX 9 has a Hall effect sensor feedback to correct the speed of DD motor. This is what they mean by Closed Loop Speed control of each DD motor independant of the coupling between two capstans. Kannan Ron wrote: I don't know for sure what Nakamichi had in mind, either, but would guess that it's the exact opposite. In servo design, the term 'closed loop' refers to the feedback loop, which is the way the Dragon capstans are controlled. In Sankyo transports, speed accuracy relies on a rubber belt, with no feedback; that's 'open loop' control. (Assuming correct servo design, the closed loop approach would be more accurate.) Based on that, the Dragon is closed loop and the CR-7 is open loop. -- Ron Sergei Vorontsov wrote: > Hello Wouter, > > I would guess the 'closed loop dual capstan' is driven by > just one motor (Direct drive like in CR4,CR5,CR7 or both capstans belt driven) > whereas the 'dual capstan' can mean that each capstan > is driven by its own direct drive motor like in Dragon. > > Sergei > > Tuesday, July 4, 2006, 1:07:34 PM, you wrote: > > > WH> This is something i come across while gathering information for the new site. > WH> Many decks have 'dual capstan' and others have 'closed loop dual > WH> capstan'.. maybe a silly question but is this just marketing or is there > WH> no difference between the two? It seems the same to me. > > WH> Wouter > > WH> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > WH> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > WH> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > WH> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > WH> Maintain your account here: > WH> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > WH> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jul 4 18:35:38 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 12:35:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan In-Reply-To: <20060704133055.14399.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060704133055.14399.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44AA98DA.5050901@rcn.com> Oh, there is no question each capstan is closed loop controlled in all high quality decks. I thought the question was whether a *dual capstan* control was closed loop. I guessed, so I may have been wrong. -- Ron kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Ron > I do not think it is the feedback between two capstans - that way Dragon > is the only feedback design with control between these two capstan > drives. But it means that the DD motor has a feedback loop using a > sensor. All DD motors are ( sankyo as well as Nak classic transport > including ZX 9 has a Hall effect sensor feedback to correct the speed of > DD motor. This is what they mean by Closed Loop Speed control of each DD > motor independant of the coupling between two capstans. > Kannan > */Ron /* wrote: > > > I don't know for sure what Nakamichi had in mind, either, > but would guess that it's the exact opposite. > > In servo design, the term 'closed loop' refers to the > feedback loop, which is the way the Dragon capstans are > controlled. In Sankyo transports, speed accuracy relies > on a rubber belt, with no feedback; that's 'open loop' > control. (Assuming correct servo design, the closed loop > approach would be more accurate.) > > Based on that, the Dragon is closed loop and the CR-7 is > open loop. > > -- Ron > > > > > Sergei Vorontsov wrote: > > Hello Wouter, > > > > I would guess the 'closed loop dual capstan' is driven by > > just one motor (Direct drive like in CR4,CR5,CR7 or both capstans > belt driven) > > whereas the 'dual capstan' can mean that each capstan > > is driven by its own direct drive motor like in Dragon. > > > > Sergei > > > > Tuesday, July 4, 2006, 1:07:34 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > WH> This is something i come across while gathering information > for the new site. > > WH> Many decks have 'dual capstan' and others have 'closed loop dual > > WH> capstan'.. maybe a silly question but is this just marketing > or is there > > WH> no difference between the two? It seems the same to me. > > > > WH> Wouter > > > > WH> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > WH> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > WH> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > WH> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > WH> Maintain your account here: > > WH> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > WH> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jul 5 01:05:43 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:05:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan Message-ID: I'm with Herb; I thought they were the same. In terms of the distinction with the Dragon, while as always admitting to not be an expert, how may other (cassette especially) decks had independent capstan motors of any sort (not even the special SDD Nak motors)? Besides, "closed-loop dual capstan" sounds better than "dual capstan" simply because it has more words, so it should be the preferred marketing term, right? I'm pretty sure I've seen a fair number of dual-capstan systems referred to as "closed-loop dual capstan" and I'm pretty sure they were the standard belt type (I'll have to check the dock for my TEAC R2R, but I think it refers to its dual-capstan as closed-loop, and I know it's a belt just like almost all other dual-capstans I've seen. I believe the "closed loop" only is meant to refer to the fact that the tape is isolated between the capstans over the heads. -kby From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 09:33:51 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060705073351.24243.qmail@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, While most associate close and open loop as being the presence of absence of feedback in a system, there is another loop here. The capstan system in the Teac R2R (especially the X series) and the Classic Nak transport use a differential capstan system to control tape tension. The two capstans, different from each other form a complementary system. The system most appropriate to have the closed-loop tag is the Dragon, with individual BLDC motors and the Hall-effect sensors that Kannan had described. In the strictest sense, this is closed loop. The CR7 is closed loop, only for one capstan. The other capstan is driven by a belt and does not have any sensing or correction mechanism. Technics has some decks with closed-loop control capstan system. They boast incredibly low W/F figures. Regards, Bala Ganesh "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I'm with Herb; I thought they were the same. In terms of the distinction with the Dragon, while as always admitting to not be an expert, how may other (cassette especially) decks had independent capstan motors of any sort (not even the special SDD Nak motors)? Besides, "closed-loop dual capstan" sounds better than "dual capstan" simply because it has more words, so it should be the preferred marketing term, right? I'm pretty sure I've seen a fair number of dual-capstan systems referred to as "closed-loop dual capstan" and I'm pretty sure they were the standard belt type (I'll have to check the dock for my TEAC R2R, but I think it refers to its dual-capstan as closed-loop, and I know it's a belt just like almost all other dual-capstans I've seen. I believe the "closed loop" only is meant to refer to the fact that the tape is isolated between the capstans over the heads. -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jul 5 10:05:12 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:05:12 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan In-Reply-To: <20060705073351.24243.qmail@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060705073351.24243.qmail@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5723.212.78.164.66.1152086712.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> There seems to be more to this then I imagined. It is quite confusing the differences, also while Dragon and CR7 weren't given the 'closed loop' label by Nakamichi and maybe others were called 'closed loop' while they weren't closed loop... At least right now for me it is impossible to judge this, so I'll stick with the general 'Dual-Capstan Transport' for those decks that have 2 capstans. Maybe this level of detail is also not interesting for many.... Wouter > Hi everyone, > > While most associate close and open loop as being the > presence of absence of feedback in a system, there is > another loop here. The capstan system in the Teac R2R > (especially the X series) and the Classic Nak transport use > a differential capstan system to control tape tension. The > two capstans, different from each other form a complementary > system. > > The system most appropriate to have the closed-loop tag is the Dragon, > with individual BLDC motors and the Hall-effect sensors that Kannan had > described. In the strictest sense, this is closed loop. The CR7 is closed > loop, only for one capstan. The other capstan is driven by a belt and does > not have any sensing or correction mechanism. Technics has some decks with > closed-loop control capstan system. They boast incredibly low W/F figures. > > Regards, > Bala Ganesh > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jul 5 11:15:17 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:15:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan Message-ID: Hi dear Wouter, I'm 100% with you statement...don't "Confuse"...such "Non High Tech", present/future Nak owners. I appreciated very much your noble/heart full work issue...BRAVO!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Wouter Heijke" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan >Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:05:12 +0200 (CEST) > >There seems to be more to this then I imagined. >It is quite confusing the differences, also while Dragon and CR7 weren't >given the 'closed loop' label by Nakamichi and maybe others were called >'closed loop' while they weren't closed loop... > >At least right now for me it is impossible to judge this, so I'll stick >with the general 'Dual-Capstan Transport' for those decks that have 2 >capstans. >Maybe this level of detail is also not interesting for many.... > >Wouter > > > Hi everyone, > > > > While most associate close and open loop as being the > > presence of absence of feedback in a system, there is > > another loop here. The capstan system in the Teac R2R > > (especially the X series) and the Classic Nak transport use > > a differential capstan system to control tape tension. The > > two capstans, different from each other form a complementary > > system. > > > > The system most appropriate to have the closed-loop tag is the Dragon, > > with individual BLDC motors and the Hall-effect sensors that Kannan had > > described. In the strictest sense, this is closed loop. The CR7 is >closed > > loop, only for one capstan. The other capstan is driven by a belt and >does > > not have any sensing or correction mechanism. Technics has some decks >with > > closed-loop control capstan system. They boast incredibly low W/F >figures. > > > > Regards, > > Bala Ganesh > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jul 5 11:53:31 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:53:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44AB8C1B.9060203@snet.net> My understanding of the term closed loop capstan has always been a system where both capstans are engaged in the tape travel and one capstan s running slightly slower which provides the needed tape tension. The term closed loop is to indicate that tension is not affected by outside factors since it is maintained and controlled by the two capstans. A dual capstan deck on the other hand would be nearly any car or home cassette deck with auto reverse. There are two (dual) capstans, but only one is used for tape travel at any given time (depending on which way the tape is traveling). This is obviously not a closed loop system in any way. Ed From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Jul 5 12:20:52 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:20:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) Message-ID: All I can say is...WOW! -- From digitalvoice at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 14:47:00 2006 From: digitalvoice at yahoo.com (Digital Voice) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 05:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060705124700.67320.qmail@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been watching this one, it is being relisted for the THIRD time! During the previous two listings, bids did not go above $4,500. Victor ----- Original Message ---- From: jerryjg To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 6:20:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) All I can say is...WOW! -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jul 5 23:08:46 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:08:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) In-Reply-To: <20060705124700.67320.qmail@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060705124700.67320.qmail@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44AC2A5E.2050608@xs4all.nl> I know this one, the seller is a friend, sold me some of his Naks and was on naktalk also until 2000. This unit was maintained by Tom van der Hoff who even fixed a problem in the ABLE, and that wasn't easy even to him.... Wouter Digital Voice wrote: > I've been watching this one, it is being relisted for the THIRD time! > During the previous two listings, bids did not go above $4,500. > > Victor > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 5 18:29:12 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:29:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) In-Reply-To: <20060705124700.67320.qmail@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060705124700.67320.qmail@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44ABE8D8.6020803@rcn.com> It's worth a lot more than $4300. Not as a cassettes recorder, or course, but as a status symbol. -- Ron Digital Voice wrote: > I've been watching this one, it is being relisted for the THIRD time! > During the previous two listings, bids did not go above $4,500. > > Victor > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: jerryjg > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 6:20:52 AM > Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) > > > > All I can say is...WOW! From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jul 5 23:56:13 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:56:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan Message-ID: <05C17EE4-7D4B-4054-A84B-50E3FAD60EF4@alumni.caltech.edu> Actually, I think this describes what I'd understand is the case closer than anything else. > My understanding of the term closed loop capstan has always been a > system where both capstans are engaged in the tape travel and one > capstan s running slightly slower which provides the needed tape > tension. The term closed loop is to indicate that tension is not > affected by outside factors since it is maintained and controlled > by the > two capstans. > > A dual capstan deck on the other hand would be nearly any car or home > cassette deck with auto reverse. There are two (dual) capstans, but > only > one is used for tape travel at any given time (depending on which way > the tape is traveling). This is obviously not a closed loop system in > any way. > > Ed I suspect the confusion depends on if you ask modern-day engineers, ones of the 1970s/1980s, or marketing types.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jul 6 00:02:08 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:02:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Wouter, are you getting my e-mails on Naktalk DB entries I tried to make? Message-ID: <0B5104D5-1AD3-4276-AF2C-92E127EA8D1A@alumni.caltech.edu> Apologies (yeah, yeah) for spamming the list, but I'm trying to figure out where the mail's getting dropped. Wouter, I've sent you a couple of things about machine entries I've tried to make to the db that I can't find (with my unusual e-mail address). Did you receive those and try to reply (as I didn't see anything)? Tnx, and again apologies to the list.-kby From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 01:37:37 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] (closed loop) dual capstan In-Reply-To: <05C17EE4-7D4B-4054-A84B-50E3FAD60EF4@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060705233737.10781.qmail@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> :D "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Actually, I think this describes what I'd understand is the case closer than anything else. My understanding of the term closed loop capstan has always been a system where both capstans are engaged in the tape travel and one capstan s running slightly slower which provides the needed tape tension. The term closed loop is to indicate that tension is not affected by outside factors since it is maintained and controlled by the two capstans. A dual capstan deck on the other hand would be nearly any car or home cassette deck with auto reverse. There are two (dual) capstans, but only one is used for tape travel at any given time (depending on which way the tape is traveling). This is obviously not a closed loop system in any way. Ed I suspect the confusion depends on if you ask modern-day engineers, ones of the 1970s/1980s, or marketing types.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jul 6 01:13:24 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:13:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hey Tom, ever find the lights source/part #s? Message-ID: Tom, Did you ever run across the places you were going to post to get light bulbs? Had to change one in the 1000zxl this weekend--there must be an easier way to get 27 bulbs lined up with their individual shrouds...anyway I'm going to have to start getting real new ones soon, in all the various sizes, so...-thanks.-kby From paulcar at caribsurf.com Thu Jul 6 03:16:36 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:16:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Closed loop dual capstan Message-ID: <44AC6474.90602@caribsurf.com> I believe there is an AES paper on the subject altho I have not read it. Regards Paul From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jul 6 09:02:41 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:02:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Wouter, are you getting my e-mails on Naktalk DB entries I tried to make? In-Reply-To: <0B5104D5-1AD3-4276-AF2C-92E127EA8D1A@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <0B5104D5-1AD3-4276-AF2C-92E127EA8D1A@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <12566.212.78.164.66.1152169361.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi, Post only get rejected if they are not on the topic (not the case here) or when they don't come from a email address registered with naktalk. Before I even could approve these mail anyway but these days 99.9% of these mail is spam so I decided to let the mail system automatically discard these posts. If it is about the new website then please use the link on the bottom of each deck, it will let you send the email and puts to subject right so I know what it is about. OR you could send mail to me directly... Wouter > Apologies (yeah, yeah) for spamming the list, but I'm trying to > figure out where the mail's getting dropped. > Wouter, I've sent you a couple of things about machine entries I've > tried to make to the db that I can't find > (with my unusual e-mail address). Did you receive those and try to > reply (as I didn't see anything)? Tnx, and > again apologies to the list.-kby From boeing747600 at aol.com Thu Jul 6 17:30:29 2006 From: boeing747600 at aol.com (boeing747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:30:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) In-Reply-To: <44AC2A5E.2050608@xs4all.nl> References: <20060705124700.67320.qmail@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44AC2A5E.2050608@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <8C86F283F41C93B-1974-19AF@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> HI Wouter, Can you askhim what is the reserve on this beauy. Thanks1 Ali -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:08:46 +0200 Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) I know this one, the seller is a friend, sold me some of his Naks and was on naktalk also until 2000. This unit was maintained by Tom van der Hoff who even fixed a problem in the ABLE, and that wasn't easy even to him.... Wouter Digital Voice wrote: > I've been watching this one, it is being relisted for the THIRD time! > During the previous two listings, bids did not go above $4,500. > > Victor > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yap) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:55:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) Message-ID: Well, it does look the same listing-wise (both text and pictures), but it passed $4k on ebay each of the past 2 times and didn't sell, so it must be more than that now.-kby From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jul 7 09:14:00 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:14:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5072.212.78.164.66.1152256440.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> It is not listed anymore, he sold it. > Well, it does look the same listing-wise (both text and pictures), > but it passed $4k on ebay each of the > past 2 times and didn't sell, so it must be more than that now.-kby From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 7 14:09:57 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:09:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) In-Reply-To: <5072.212.78.164.66.1152256440.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <5072.212.78.164.66.1152256440.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <44AE4F15.7010702@rcn.com> I wrote the guy from the Craig list. He responded yesterday evening, said he's in England. The eplace guy (same pictures, same description, same Nak???) says he's in the Netherlands. The Craig list guy wants $4K, the eplace guy refused to sell for $4250 or $4300 (it's now at $530). Anyone make head or tail of this? -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > It is not listed anymore, he sold it. > >> Well, it does look the same listing-wise (both text and pictures), >> but it passed $4k on ebay each of the >> past 2 times and didn't sell, so it must be more than that now.-kby > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 7 14:13:42 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:13:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-5 Message-ID: <44AE4FF6.1060702@rcn.com> For sale: A CR-5 deck. (The 115V/230V version, with a voltage selection switch on the rear.) As you know, the CR-5 is the same as the CR-7 less the automatic calibration and real time counter. Sonically, this CR-5 sounds as good as my CR-7. All functions work well, all transport functions operate smoothly, etc. Cosmetically, it's in fair to middling condition. One knob is missing the outer cover and the door is missing the outer cover (these are purely cosmetic). The top cover paint is marred, but there are no dings or scratches. I've owned this CR-5 for several months now and all I've done with it is copy a dozen or so cassettes. If you want pictures, just let me know. Asking $220 plus actual shipping cost (22 lb. from ZIP 01702, as shown on the UPS web site). -- Ron From greynolds at newsguy.com Fri Jul 7 14:27:46 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:27:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION(item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) References: <5072.212.78.164.66.1152256440.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <44AE4F15.7010702@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003001c6a1c0$c1ce8dd0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "Ron" > I wrote the guy from the Craig list. He responded yesterday > evening, said he's in England. The eplace guy (same pictures, > same description, same Nak???) says he's in the Netherlands. > The Craig list guy wants $4K, the eplace guy refused to sell > for $4250 or $4300 (it's now at $530). > > Anyone make head or tail of this? Same pictures and description, but different location? Sounds like one is trying to scam people - the trick is to figure out which one is legit... -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jul 7 14:31:19 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) In-Reply-To: <44AE4F15.7010702@rcn.com> References: <5072.212.78.164.66.1152256440.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <44AE4F15.7010702@rcn.com> Message-ID: <18481.212.78.164.66.1152275479.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Like I told.. the real one if the ebay one that ended... I know this one, and I know it from the pictures! It was listed about 10 times + this week with the same pictures from china.. just like the Nakamichi turntable and other valuables.. One reason why images on the new website are watermarked...sadly. Wouter > > I wrote the guy from the Craig list. He responded yesterday > evening, said he's in England. The eplace guy (same pictures, > same description, same Nak???) says he's in the Netherlands. > The Craig list guy wants $4K, the eplace guy refused to sell > for $4250 or $4300 (it's now at $530). > > Anyone make head or tail of this? > > -- Ron > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jul 7 16:11:48 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:11:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) Message-ID: Hi Ron, Yes I also saw the same...as you state ALL is the same...I named "Monkey Bussiness"...he (England) get $:4,300 & DON'T DELL IT...now the same machine "From" Holland asking a mere $:530.00, how is possible...you tell me Ron? Cheers, ALEX! ---------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:09:57 -0400 > From: ra.ah at rcn.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) > > > I wrote the guy from the Craig list. He responded yesterday > evening, said he's in England. The eplace guy (same pictures, > same description, same Nak???) says he's in the Netherlands. > The Craig list guy wants $4K, the eplace guy refused to sell > for $4250 or $4300 (it's now at $530). > > Anyone make head or tail of this? > > -- Ron > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > It is not listed anymore, he sold it. > > > >> Well, it does look the same listing-wise (both text and pictures), > >> but it passed $4k on ebay each of the > >> past 2 times and didn't sell, so it must be more than that now.-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself: design your homepage the way you want it with Live.com. http://www.live.com/getstarted From greynolds at newsguy.com Fri Jul 7 16:29:31 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:29:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITEDEDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) References: Message-ID: <001101c6a1d1$c63c5f80$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Alex, $530 is the current auction price, not the final sale price. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From: "Alex Cozac" > Yes I also saw the same...as you state ALL is the same...I > named "Monkey Bussiness"...he (England) get $:4,300 & > DON'T DELL IT...now the same machine "From" Holland > asking a mere $:530.00, how is possible...you tell me Ron? > > Cheers, > > ALEX! From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jul 7 16:39:04 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:39:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24057.212.78.164.66.1152283144.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> "The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale." Like I told, the auction for this item ended... he sold it, and not for $530.... other items with pictures from this auction are nog the actual item. Wouter > Hi Ron, > > Yes I also saw the same...as you state ALL is the same...I named "Monkey > Bussiness"...he (England) get $:4,300 & DON'T DELL IT...now the same > machine "From" Holland asking a mere $:530.00, how is possible...you tell > me Ron? > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:09:57 -0400 >> From: ra.ah at rcn.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED >> EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) >> >> >> I wrote the guy from the Craig list. He responded yesterday >> evening, said he's in England. The eplace guy (same pictures, >> same description, same Nak???) says he's in the Netherlands. >> The Craig list guy wants $4K, the eplace guy refused to sell >> for $4250 or $4300 (it's now at $530). >> >> Anyone make head or tail of this? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Wouter Heijke wrote: >> > It is not listed anymore, he sold it. >> > >> >> Well, it does look the same listing-wise (both text and pictures), >> >> but it passed $4k on ebay each of the >> >> past 2 times and didn't sell, so it must be more than that now.-kby >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself: design your homepage the way you want it with Live.com. > http://www.live.com/getstarted > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jagtar at semplay.com Fri Jul 7 16:50:55 2006 From: jagtar at semplay.com (Jagtar) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:50:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Alex I am based in London UK and have emailed this character regarding other high end items such as Mark Levinson, Sonus Faber etc and it appears this is a big scam probably organised internationally. Many high value items are listed in the same text and style but different email addresses. Despite my inquiry I received no reply. Although the seller prefers one to contact him rather than bidding as normal via Ebay and this raises alarm bells, beware. Regards Jagtar London UK -- > From: "Alex Cozac" > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:11:48 +0000 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION > (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) > > Hi Ron, > > Yes I also saw the same...as you state ALL is the same...I named "Monkey > Bussiness"...he (England) get $:4,300 & DON'T DELL IT...now the same machine > "From" Holland asking a mere $:530.00, how is possible...you tell me Ron? > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > ---------------------------------------- From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 17:00:49 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) In-Reply-To: <24057.212.78.164.66.1152283144.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060707150049.23995.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will be still curious to know for what amount he sold it - if that is not a secret? One ina hundred Decks - Kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: "The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale." Like I told, the auction for this item ended... he sold it, and not for $530.... other items with pictures from this auction are nog the actual item. Wouter > Hi Ron, > > Yes I also saw the same...as you state ALL is the same...I named "Monkey > Bussiness"...he (England) get $:4,300 & DON'T DELL IT...now the same > machine "From" Holland asking a mere $:530.00, how is possible...you tell > me Ron? > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:09:57 -0400 >> From: ra.ah at rcn.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED >> EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) >> >> >> I wrote the guy from the Craig list. He responded yesterday >> evening, said he's in England. The eplace guy (same pictures, >> same description, same Nak???) says he's in the Netherlands. >> The Craig list guy wants $4K, the eplace guy refused to sell >> for $4250 or $4300 (it's now at $530). >> >> Anyone make head or tail of this? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Wouter Heijke wrote: >> > It is not listed anymore, he sold it. >> > >> >> Well, it does look the same listing-wise (both text and pictures), >> >> but it passed $4k on ebay each of the >> >> past 2 times and didn't sell, so it must be more than that now.-kby >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself: design your homepage the way you want it with Live.com. > http://www.live.com/getstarted > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 07 July 2006 15:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITEDEDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) Hi Ron, Yes I also saw the same...as you state ALL is the same...I named "Monkey Bussiness"...he (England) get $:4,300 & DON'T DELL IT...now the same machine "From" Holland asking a mere $:530.00, how is possible...you tell me Ron? Cheers, ALEX! From appleson at gate.net Fri Jul 7 22:59:32 2006 From: appleson at gate.net (Pat Appleson) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:59:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Repair Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060707165808.01fd2f08@gate.net> Hi, I've got four MR-1's & three need some work. Is there a factory place with parts still around? Or do you know of a good repair shop. Best regards pat Patrick G. Appleson, Pres. Pat Appleson Studios, Inc. 2359 Highway 70, SE Suite 102 Hickory, NC 28602 828 465-5500 or 954 587-7900 www.appleson.com email: appleson at gate.net From leohilarious at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 23:08:09 2006 From: leohilarious at yahoo.com (Leohilarious) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:08:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for MR-1 manual Message-ID: <44AECD39.3090205@yahoo.com> I've looked around Google for a copy of the MR-1 manual, but no luck. Does anyone know where I could find one? I'd happily accept a PDF also if one is floating around. Many thanks! Leo From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Jul 7 20:22:16 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:22:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION(item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) References: Message-ID: <000301c6a24c$ed9f1d80$32d017c4@home> I highlighted this a few months ago! I have raised it with the eBay people who try to control --but really they cant do much.It is not only Nak high end stuff but others like Naim and similiar.They now even target items that are not even top models in the brand.The best way to check the stuff out is to view these items when you select world wide viewing(eg not only sBay US or eBay UK etc) and then you see the numbers!!!!.Fortunately these people have zero feedback.If you bid very low on one that appears genuine because of 'the sellers' feedback you will find that it does not take very long and you are notified that your bid has been cancelled by eBay trust who advise you that the sellers account has been compromised( these people have incarnated themselves into a genuine eBay members account.)In these instances the rogues usually ask you not to bid but to eMail them at a different email address for a 'buy now' price! Dont fall for it! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jagtar" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION(item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) > Hi Alex > > I am based in London UK and have emailed this character regarding other > high > end items such as Mark Levinson, Sonus Faber etc and it appears this is a > big scam probably organised internationally. Many high value items are > listed in the same text and style but different email addresses. > > Despite my inquiry I received no reply. Although the seller prefers one to > contact him rather than bidding as normal via Ebay and this raises alarm > bells, beware. > > Regards > Jagtar > > London UK > > -- > > >> From: "Alex Cozac" >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:11:48 +0000 >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED >> EDITION >> (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> Yes I also saw the same...as you state ALL is the same...I named "Monkey >> Bussiness"...he (England) get $:4,300 & DON'T DELL IT...now the same >> machine >> "From" Holland asking a mere $:530.00, how is possible...you tell me Ron? >> >> Cheers, >> >> ALEX! >> >> ---------------------------------------- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sat Jul 8 01:20:52 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:20:52 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Heads Message-ID: <005d01c6a21b$fd8052e0$0201a8c0@lan> A quick question for the Techie's... is there an easy way to check to see if a head has gone open circuit/packed up? 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Digital Voice a écrit : > I've been watching this one, it is being relisted for the THIRD time! > During the previous two listings, bids did not go above $4,500. > > Victor > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: jerryjg > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 6:20:52 AM > Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) > > > > All I can say is...WOW! > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jul 8 02:46:52 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:46:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for MR-1 manual In-Reply-To: <44AECD39.3090205@yahoo.com> References: <44AECD39.3090205@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44AF007C.2090807@rcn.com> Leohilarious wrote: > I've looked around Google for a copy of the MR-1 manual, but no luck. > Does anyone know where I could find one? I'd happily accept a PDF also > if one is floating around. Many thanks! > > Leo If you do not find an MR-1 manual, be aware that it's 90% the same as the BX-300. If you do find it, do let us know -- I am still looking for the 10% difference :-). -- Ron From jamiep8 at msn.com Sat Jul 8 06:20:51 2006 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:20:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 Message-ID: Hi. Perhaps someone out there can shed some light on something for me. I own a Nakamichi 480 cassette deck, which I purchased second hand, and which has recently been serviced; I.e., cleaned, lubricated, adjusted, aligned, belt replaced. It generally works well. However, occasionally, when inserting a cassette and hitting the play button, it seems that it takes a few seconds for the tape to align itself; until it does, the high frequencies are muffled. it eventually catches up with itself, and plays fine. Is this something I have to live with, or is there a specific "fix" for this problem? The deck records, and sounds great. 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jul 8 07:37:32 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 05:37:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) Message-ID: Dear Jagtar,Amomg us...I also prefer to deal directly with the seller as you state.Thank you so much for be so honest.My best wishes also,ALEX!> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:50:55 +0100> Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT)> From: jagtar at semplay.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> > Hi Alex> > I am based in London UK and have emailed this character regarding other high> end items such as Mark Levinson, Sonus Faber etc and it appears this is a> big scam probably organised internationally. Many high value items are> listed in the same text and style but different email addresses.> > Despite my inquiry I received no reply. Although the seller prefers one to> contact him rather than bidding as normal via Ebay and this raises alarm> bells, beware.> > Regards> Jagtar> > London UK> > -- > > > > From: "Alex Cozac" > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:11:48 +0000> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION> > (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT)> > > > Hi Ron,> > > > Yes I also saw the same...as you state ALL is the same...I named "Monkey> > Bussiness"...he (England) get $:4,300 & DON'T DELL IT...now the same machine> > "From" Holland asking a mere $:530.00, how is possible...you tell me Ron?> > > > Cheers,> > > > ALEX!> > > > ----------------------------------------> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Jul 8 17:40:34 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:40:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay scams Message-ID: <002301c6a2a4$dc03ca50$0ed517c4@home> I mentioned in my last posting that one must put a low offer for a suspicious item and eBay Trust will soon cancel the bid.Since the posting I put in a low bid on an expensive Naim CD player---guess what --I just received a cancelation of bid notice as the "seller's account has been compromised".Another case of the rogues inncarnating themselves into an innocent(?) eBay sellers account.This cancellation business has now occured twice in the last week for me---and the sale looked very genuine in both cases.At the time both items were similiarly listed in China. The answer is obviously; dont bid on anything which is also listed in China. walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jul 8 13:52:00 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:52:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION(item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) In-Reply-To: <000301c6a24c$ed9f1d80$32d017c4@home> References: <000301c6a24c$ed9f1d80$32d017c4@home> Message-ID: <44AF9C60.4040507@rcn.com> drewes wrote: > I highlighted this a few months ago! > > I have raised it with the eBay > people who try to control --but really they cant do much. This is not true! Ebay can do much, but they are *only* interested is to appear as a safe market place, so business will flow smoothly. Not surprisingly, they go out of their way to ignore scams. They do not deal with scams reported 30 days after the auction closing date, though many (most?) scams are discovered later. OTOH, for scams reported before that date, they will suggest to 'give it some time'. Their dealing with a scam consists of sending the scammer an email and when he doesn't respond, they close the case. They don't even bother to close his account. An ebay spokesman claimed scam rate on their auctions is 1 in 10,000 -- that's 0.01%. I'll bet 25%-50% is far closer to the truth (depending on how one defines dishonesty). Bottom line: ebay is a business and their only interest is making money. There are *no* other considerations, none! and when a buyer gets ripped off, hey, that's their problem. -- Ron > It is not only > Nak high end stuff but others like Naim and similiar.They now even > target items that are not even top models in the brand.The best way to > check the stuff out is to view these items when you select world wide > viewing(eg not only sBay US or eBay UK etc) and then you see the > numbers!!!!.Fortunately these people have zero feedback.If you bid very > low on one that appears genuine because of 'the sellers' feedback you > will find that it does not take very long and you are notified that your > bid has been cancelled by eBay trust who advise you that the sellers > account has been compromised( these people have incarnated themselves > into a genuine eBay members account.)In these instances the rogues > usually ask you not to bid but to eMail them at a different email > address for a 'buy now' price! Dont fall for it! > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jagtar" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED > EDITION(item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) > > >> Hi Alex >> >> I am based in London UK and have emailed this character regarding >> other high >> end items such as Mark Levinson, Sonus Faber etc and it appears this is a >> big scam probably organised internationally. Many high value items are >> listed in the same text and style but different email addresses. >> >> Despite my inquiry I received no reply. Although the seller prefers >> one to >> contact him rather than bidding as normal via Ebay and this raises alarm >> bells, beware. >> >> Regards >> Jagtar >> >> London UK >> >> -- >> >> >>> From: "Alex Cozac" >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:11:48 +0000 >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED >>> EDITION >>> (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) >>> >>> Hi Ron, >>> >>> Yes I also saw the same...as you state ALL is the same...I named "Monkey >>> Bussiness"...he (England) get $:4,300 & DON'T DELL IT...now the same >>> machine >>> "From" Holland asking a mere $:530.00, how is possible...you tell me >>> Ron? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> ALEX! From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jul 8 13:56:50 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:56:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Heads In-Reply-To: <005d01c6a21b$fd8052e0$0201a8c0@lan> References: <005d01c6a21b$fd8052e0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <44AF9D82.5010504@rcn.com> Martin Short wrote: > A quick question for the Techie's... is there an easy way to check to > see if a head has gone open circuit/packed up? > > Thanks in advance, > > Martin > You can use a low current ohm meter. If you don't have one, use an AC millivolt mater and pass a a demagnetizer against the head. Don't forget to demagnetize afterwards. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jul 8 14:07:27 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 08:07:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44AF9FFF.2060005@rcn.com> Michael Pisano wrote: > Hi. Perhaps someone out there can shed some light on something for me. I > own a Nakamichi 480 cassette deck, which I purchased second hand, and > which has recently been serviced; I.e., cleaned, lubricated, adjusted, > aligned, belt replaced. It generally works well. However, > occasionally, when inserting a cassette and hitting the play button, it > seems that it takes a few seconds for the tape to align itself; until it > does, the high frequencies are muffled. it eventually catches up with > itself, and plays fine. Is this something I have to live with, or is > there a specific "fix" for this problem? The deck records, and sounds > great. I just have this minor issue. Any thought would be appreciated. > Thanks, Mike Could be one of several things. Most likely, capstan problem: bad or dry bearing, bad or incorrect belt, etc. Other possibilities include pretensioning problem, pinch rollers need cleaning/lubrication or head mount issue (unlikely but who knows). None of these should be present after a routine service. I would contact the tech and ask what gives. -- Ron From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Jul 8 15:33:26 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 09:33:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) In-Reply-To: <44AEE27B.7090609@yahoo.ca> References: <20060705124700.67320.qmail@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44AEE27B.7090609@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <44AFB426.3080505@yahoo.ca> Doh! It was just ended. Antoine Deschênes a écrit : > CHEAP! > > Digital Voice a écrit : >> I've been watching this one, it is being relisted for the THIRD time! >> During the previous two listings, bids did not go above $4,500. >> >> Victor >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: jerryjg >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 6:20:52 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION >> (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) >> >> >> >> All I can say is...WOW! >> From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Jul 8 17:29:37 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:29:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION(item120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) References: <000301c6a24c$ed9f1d80$32d017c4@home> Message-ID: <005901c6a2a3$623a8890$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Walter, Thanks for the warnings. Eventhough I have been extremely "lucky" when buying my (Nak) stuff on the internet www.dba.dk it is nice to know some tricks. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "drewes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED EDITION(item120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) >I highlighted this a few months ago! I have raised it with the eBay people > who try to control --but really they cant do much.It is not only Nak high > end stuff but others like Naim and similiar.They now even target items that > are not even top models in the brand.The best way to check the stuff out is > to view these items when you select world wide viewing(eg not only sBay US > or eBay UK etc) and then you see the numbers!!!!.Fortunately these people > have zero feedback.If you bid very low on one that appears genuine because > of 'the sellers' feedback you will find that it does not take very long and > you are notified that your bid has been cancelled by eBay trust who advise > you that the sellers account has been compromised( these people have > incarnated themselves into a genuine eBay members account.)In these > instances the rogues usually ask you not to bid but to eMail them at a > different email address for a 'buy now' price! Dont fall for it! > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jagtar" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED > EDITION(item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) > > >> Hi Alex >> >> I am based in London UK and have emailed this character regarding other >> high >> end items such as Mark Levinson, Sonus Faber etc and it appears this is a >> big scam probably organised internationally. Many high value items are >> listed in the same text and style but different email addresses. >> >> Despite my inquiry I received no reply. Although the seller prefers one to >> contact him rather than bidding as normal via Ebay and this raises alarm >> bells, beware. >> >> Regards >> Jagtar >> >> London UK >> >> -- >> >> >>> From: "Alex Cozac" >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:11:48 +0000 >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] eBay: RARE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL GOLD LIMITED >>> EDITION >>> (item 120004993806 end time Jul-11-06 14:08:26 PDT) >>> >>> Hi Ron, >>> >>> Yes I also saw the same...as you state ALL is the same...I named "Monkey >>> Bussiness"...he (England) get $:4,300 & DON'T DELL IT...now the same >>> machine >>> "From" Holland asking a mere $:530.00, how is possible...you tell me Ron? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> ALEX! >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From leohilarious at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 18:17:49 2006 From: leohilarious at yahoo.com (Leohilarious) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:17:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth adjusting on the MR-1 Message-ID: <44AFDAAD.1090909@yahoo.com> Hi there, I'm a "Nak newbie" and I've just purchased an MR-1 in nice condition. I'm primarily using it as a playback machine for my collection of cassettes recorded from the BBC and other radio sources. These were all recorded on different decks by different people, so I'm thinking I should try doing a little azimuth adjusting to obtain optimal playback quality. Is there a good guide for this specific to Naks like the MR-1? I don't have a scope, so I'd be doing it by ear. My MR-1 has several small white adjusters near the heads, and I'm really not sure which is which - thus I'm looking for a good guide that will explain it. I'm also missing the MR-1 manual which may have some of this information. Many thanks! :D Leo From leohilarious at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 18:21:24 2006 From: leohilarious at yahoo.com (Leohilarious) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:21:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Looking for MR-1 manual In-Reply-To: <200607081001.k68A0hMX029048@zxe.naks.com> References: <200607081001.k68A0hMX029048@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <44AFDB84.9030303@yahoo.com> Ah thanks for the tip. I've found the BX-300 manual on the http://www.naks.mine.nu website - it does look very similar to the MR-1 in most ways. I'd still ideally like to find the actual MR-1 manual, so I'll keep looking. Will post if I find it! Leo > Leohilarious wrote: > >> I've looked around Google for a copy of the MR-1 manual, but no luck. >> Does anyone know where I could find one? I'd happily accept a PDF also >> if one is floating around. Many thanks! >> >> Leo >> > > If you do not find an MR-1 manual, be aware that it's > 90% the same as the BX-300. If you do find it, do let > us know -- I am still looking for the 10% difference > :-). > > -- Ron > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 05:10:19 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth adjusting on the MR-1 In-Reply-To: <44AFDAAD.1090909@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060709031019.57130.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Figure 4.17 shows the function of the screws. The one on the far left in the picture is the playback head azimuth. Looking at the deck it's the one on the far right. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt1.html You can adjust this screw by ear for each tape just like a CR-7. Of course it doesn't adjust itself back during recording. You should mark its position before playing with it. For most tapes you shouldn't need to turn it more than 1/2 turn either way. SJ --- Leohilarious wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm a "Nak newbie" and I've just purchased an MR-1 in nice > condition. > I'm primarily using it as a playback machine for my collection of > cassettes recorded from the BBC and other radio sources. These > were all > recorded on different decks by different people, so I'm thinking I > should try doing a little azimuth adjusting to obtain optimal > playback > quality. Is there a good guide for this specific to Naks like the > MR-1? I don't have a scope, so I'd be doing it by ear. My MR-1 > has > several small white adjusters near the heads, and I'm really not > sure > which is which - thus I'm looking for a good guide that will > explain > it. I'm also missing the MR-1 manual which may have some of this > information. Many thanks! :D > > Leo > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Jul 9 04:45:38 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:45:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] eBay scams Message-ID: <1631A9F0-504E-4B04-9280-E64D9F5608D5@alumni.caltech.edu> [Transplanting to this thread as it's more appropriate] > drewes wrote: > > I highlighted this a few months ago! > > > > > I have raised it with the eBay > > people who try to control --but really they cant do much. > > This is not true! Ebay can do much, but they are *only* > interested is to appear as a safe market place, so business > will flow smoothly. Not surprisingly, they go out of their > way to ignore scams. They do not deal with scams reported > 30 days after the auction closing date, though many (most?) > scams are discovered later. OTOH, for scams reported before > that date, they will suggest to 'give it some time'. Their > dealing with a scam consists of sending the scammer an email > and when he doesn't respond, they close the case. They don't > even bother to close his account. > > An ebay spokesman claimed scam rate on their auctions is 1 > in 10,000 -- that's 0.01%. I'll bet 25%-50% is far closer to > the truth (depending on how one defines dishonesty). > > Bottom line: ebay is a business and their only interest is > making money. There are *no* other considerations, none! > and when a buyer gets ripped off, hey, that's their problem. > > -- Ron I'll agree about 85% on this. I do believe ebay could do a lot better job than they do, but I also thing that it isn't practical they'll get all or even "almost all" of them. It is correct that they are not just targetting Nak; and the other thing that's funny is that they fake ones usually appear in a big flurry just after (what at least appears to be) a legit transaction for the same item. Often the listings don't make sense--only want cash on pickup but they'll quote shipping to the US--or some other such nonsense. Which brings me to a side rant on legit auctions, mostly from Germany, but Europe in general--"COD" (collect on delivery) has a very specific meaning in the US. Please don't advertise you accept that as a method of payment unless you're really sure you know what it is and you do accept it (I'm actually not sure it can be done internationally, ignoring for the moment the possibly exhorbitant cost). In the US it essentially means the shipper ships the item and the carrier doesn't hand it over to the buyer until they get the money. There are various restrictions on what form the payment has to be in. The carrier then deducts some fee and pays the seller. It doesn't mean walking in on a local pickup and plunking down cash, for which ebay has a different term (cash on pickup, I think). Returning now to our regular rant... The usual clues I've used are (1) a number of essentially identical auctions, mostly from china (2) it doesn't make sense (3) It's too good to be true (it probably is). That said, I did get caught recently in something that seemed legit to me, but I will say that the money did get put back by PayPal in a reasonably timely fashion; I was however not the first to complain (by the time I complained the ebay account had already been shut down). I also had received an e-mail from someone else that had gotten scammed by getting a brick instead of what he ordered, and that did set me to starting things going sooner than I otherwise might have.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 10 01:55:15 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:55:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for MR-1 manual In-Reply-To: <44AF007C.2090807@rcn.com> References: <44AECD39.3090205@yahoo.com> <44AECD39.3090205@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060709185515.00bd4528@pop.earthlink.net> Balanced inputs and outputs. tom brucker At 08:46 PM 7/7/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Leohilarious wrote: >> I've looked around Google for a copy of the MR-1 manual, but no luck. >> Does anyone know where I could find one? I'd happily accept a PDF also >> if one is floating around. Many thanks! >> >> Leo > >If you do not find an MR-1 manual, be aware that it's >90% the same as the BX-300. If you do find it, do let >us know -- I am still looking for the 10% difference >:-). > >-- Ron >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 10 02:06:49 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:06:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Repair In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060707165808.01fd2f08@gate.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060709190649.00f21b30@pop.earthlink.net> I can repair your MR1s. I am factory trained, but have a limited supply of parts. If you anticipate unusual parts needs, please e-mail me before shipping. I can give you a preliminary idea of repairability. Too bad you didn't post last week. My family passed through Hickory on vacation. tom brucker At 04:59 PM 7/7/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >I've got four MR-1's & three need some work. Is there a factory >place with parts still around? >Or do you know of a good repair shop. > >Best regards >pat > > >Patrick G. Appleson, Pres. >Pat Appleson Studios, Inc. >2359 Highway 70, SE >Suite 102 >Hickory, NC 28602 >828 465-5500 or >954 587-7900 >www.appleson.com >email: appleson at gate.net > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 10 13:58:50 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:58:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for MR-1 manual In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060709185515.00bd4528@pop.earthlink.net> References: <44AECD39.3090205@yahoo.com> <44AECD39.3090205@yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060709185515.00bd4528@pop.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44B240FA.70704@rcn.com> Yep. Also, Pitch Control instead of the bias adjustment. -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > Balanced inputs and outputs. > > tom brucker > > At 08:46 PM 7/7/2006 -0400, you wrote: >> Leohilarious wrote: >>> I've looked around Google for a copy of the MR-1 manual, but no luck. >>> Does anyone know where I could find one? I'd happily accept a PDF also >>> if one is floating around. Many thanks! >>> >>> Leo >> If you do not find an MR-1 manual, be aware that it's >> 90% the same as the BX-300. If you do find it, do let >> us know -- I am still looking for the 10% difference >> :-). >> >> -- Ron >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Tom Brucker CSM > > A stereo can work, and it can play > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville TN 37211 > 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From jeff at eslabs.com Mon Jul 10 15:36:35 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:36:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ES Labs References: <000b01c69ea8$3df52c50$a4c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: <002201c6a425$de81c6b0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> We still sell the parts that we have in large quantities. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us -------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE: Please include all our previous e-mails, so I can follow our conversation. -------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "lenaw" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ES Labs They don't sell part anymore. You can buy comparable grease and oil anywhere though. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of mario Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:50 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] ES Labs Will they sell me grease, oil and two cam belts for BX-300? Or can someone recommend where and what to buy I don't know which grease, oil or belts are appropriate./ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 16:49:10 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for MR-1 manual Message-ID: <20060710144910.81950.qmail@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As well as UNbalanced 1/4" inputs and outputs (use these I/Os with 1/4" to RCA adapters if you want RCA, do not use the NR loop RCAs). The MR-1 also has external NR loop and front panel balanced 1/4" inputs instead of the master fader. And pitch control instead of bias fine tune. MR-1 also has more segments in its VU meters. BX-300 has Auto Repeat switch, MR-1 has Line Input Selector. BX-300 pitch control is Headphone level on the MR-1. BX-300 MPX Filter switch is replaced by a Subsonic filter switch. Other than that the two decks are identical. Yeah, so 90% the same, right? [hitech77 at earthlink.net] wrote: Balanced inputs and outputs. tom brucker At 08:46 PM 7/7/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Leohilarious wrote: >> I've looked around Google for a copy of the MR-1 manual, but no luck. >> Does anyone know where I could find one? I'd happily accept a PDF also >> if one is floating around. Many thanks! >> >> Leo > >If you do not find an MR-1 manual, be aware that it's >90% the same as the BX-300. If you do find it, do let >us know -- I am still looking for the 10% difference >:-). > >-- Ron >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 10 19:27:24 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:27:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for MR-1 manual In-Reply-To: <20060710144910.81950.qmail@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060710144910.81950.qmail@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44B28DFC.9090201@rcn.com> Scott Johnson wrote: > As well as UNbalanced 1/4" inputs and outputs (use these I/Os with 1/4" > to RCA adapters if you want RCA, do not use the NR loop RCAs). The MR-1 > also has external NR loop and front panel balanced 1/4" inputs instead of > the master fader. And pitch control instead of bias fine tune. MR-1 also > has more segments in its VU meters. BX-300 has Auto Repeat switch, MR-1 > has Line Input Selector. BX-300 pitch control is Headphone level on the > MR-1. BX-300 MPX Filter switch is replaced by a Subsonic filter switch. > Other than that the two decks are identical. Yeah, so 90% the same, > right? 90% was a figure of speech. Actually, the similarity is closer to 98.3% :-). Scott, you seem to have the MR-1 service manual. Any chance of putting a scan on Tom Larson's site? -- Ron > [hitech77 at earthlink.net] wrote: > Balanced inputs and outputs. > > tom brucker > > At 08:46 PM 7/7/2006 -0400, you wrote: >> Leohilarious wrote: >>> I've looked around Google for a copy of the MR-1 manual, but no luck. >>> Does anyone know where I could find one? I'd happily accept a PDF also >>> if one is floating around. Many thanks! >>> >>> Leo >> If you do not find an MR-1 manual, be aware that it's >> 90% the same as the BX-300. If you do find it, do let >> us know -- I am still looking for the 10% difference >> :-). >> >> -- Ron >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Tom Brucker CSM > > A stereo can work, and it can play > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville TN 37211 > 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From jberger at well.com Mon Jul 10 20:36:51 2006 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Exercising a CR-7 Message-ID: I have a CR-7 that has a tempermental reel motor; it appears to have a dead spot on the commutator, and when the brushes hit this particular spot, it stops. The capistans keep turning, but the takeup reel stops, and soon the auto-shutoff triggers. At this point, I usually have to power it off and on to get it to play again. The deck fast forwards and rewinds fine, and it has the gear drive, not idler wheel. I seem to recall someone here saying they sprayed inside the back of the reel motor with Caig De-Oxit, and then running through multiple ff/rew cycles to resolve the issue. Does that ring a bell with anyone? Will the ff/rew back and forth exercise the correct motor? And how about a reminder where to get De-Oxit? Thanks, all. John From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jul 11 01:18:09 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:18:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Exercising a CR-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B2E031.4030802@rcn.com> John Berger wrote: > I have a CR-7 that has a tempermental reel motor; it appears to have a > dead spot on the commutator, and when the brushes hit this particular > spot, it stops. The capistans keep turning, but the takeup reel stops, > and soon the auto-shutoff triggers. At this point, I usually have to > power it off and on to get it to play again. > > The deck fast forwards and rewinds fine, and it has the gear drive, not > idler wheel. > > I seem to recall someone here saying they sprayed inside the back of the > reel motor with Caig De-Oxit, and then running through multiple ff/rew > cycles to resolve the issue. Does that ring a bell with anyone? Will the > ff/rew back and forth exercise the correct motor? And how about a > reminder where to get De-Oxit? I doubt it will do much good, but it certainly shouldn't do any harm. Google DeOxit and you'll get many sources. If fact, most any lubricating contact cleaner is functionally the same. -- Ron > > Thanks, all. > > John > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From lb61 at optonline.net Tue Jul 11 01:24:58 2006 From: lb61 at optonline.net (mario) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:24:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ES Labs In-Reply-To: <002201c6a425$de81c6b0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> References: <000b01c69ea8$3df52c50$a4c3db40@CPQ16585250299> <002201c6a425$de81c6b0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <44B2E1CA.6000700@optonline.net> You got belts for BX-300 - grease and cam oil? thanks jeff at eslabs.com wrote: > We still sell the parts that we have in large quantities. > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > -------------------------------------------------------- > ** NOTE: Please include all our previous > e-mails, so I can follow our conversation. > -------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lenaw" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:54 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ES Labs > > > They don't sell part anymore. You can buy comparable grease and oil anywhere > though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of mario > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:50 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] ES Labs > > Will they sell me grease, oil and two cam belts for BX-300? > > Or can someone recommend where and what to buy I don't know which > grease, oil or belts are appropriate./ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jul 11 12:20:14 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:20:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 manual Message-ID: <20060711102014.67929.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Leo I looked on Google for your manual and found this item on eBay. I know that some of us have cause to be suspicious of some items listed there, but this might be a safe bet for you: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MR-1-Pro-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ250005958196QQihZ015QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem Let me know if that's what you were looking for. There's nothing worse than knowing that what you want is available, but just out of reach. Chris From mwhipple at charter.net Tue Jul 11 13:18:05 2006 From: mwhipple at charter.net (mwhipple at charter.net) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 4:18:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon Message-ID: <560448.1152616685253.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Hi all, My Dragon is playing very low in the left channel. I ran through the calibrations but was unable to get the left channel up to the zero level. It actually does not move up at all. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Matt From DM2 at marctronixx.com Tue Jul 11 15:01:10 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:01:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 manual In-Reply-To: <20060711102014.67929.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: FYI on techman, the seller, I recently purchased BOTH a RX-505 service and operating manual and they are both EXCELLELNT! His descriptions about his manual are spot on. Rest assured his manuals are great! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Chris Mann > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:20 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 manual > > Hi Leo > > I looked on Google for your manual and found this item > on eBay. I know that some of us have cause to be > suspicious of some items listed there, but this might > be a safe bet for you: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MR-1-Pro-Cassette-Deck-Owners- > Manual_W0QQitemZ250005958196QQihZ015QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem > > Let me know if that's what you were looking for. > There's nothing worse than knowing that what you want > is available, but just out of reach. > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 11 16:44:34 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:44:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon In-Reply-To: <560448.1152616685253.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060711094434.0083ebc0@earthlink.net> If you have cleaned it looking with a magnifier and good light, then you may have an open head (dread!) I have one here with an open head, so we know it can happen. ESL has heads, but their cost is more than a used, working eBay Dragon. Good luck. tom brucker At 04:18 AM 7/11/06 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all, > >My Dragon is playing very low in the left channel. I ran through the >calibrations but was unable to get the left channel up to the zero level. It >actually does not move up at all. > >Does anyone have any ideas? > >Thanks, > Matt > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:24:02 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060711094434.0083ebc0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060711152402.74078.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Before that - i would check connectors - play head as well as presets forplayback level adjustment and finally CMOS switch which mutes the line during modes like stop or pause. I have also seen broken wire at the head when one channel completely - rather than the head itself. Kannan Hi Tech wrote: If you have cleaned it looking with a magnifier and good light, then you may have an open head (dread!) I have one here with an open head, so we know it can happen. ESL has heads, but their cost is more than a used, working eBay Dragon. Good luck. tom brucker At 04:18 AM 7/11/06 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all, > >My Dragon is playing very low in the left channel. I ran through the >calibrations but was unable to get the left channel up to the zero level. It >actually does not move up at all. > >Does anyone have any ideas? > >Thanks, > Matt > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 11 18:01:43 2006 From: jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net (jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:01:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bx100 Message-ID: <20060711160143.NXD26879.ibm57aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Howdy all, I've got a little bx100 I'd like to get going for a friend. So Far... Cleaned heads, capstan, pinch roller. Removed cassette back plate and tried cleaning hubs and the rubber drive wheel for ff,rw,takeup It will play a few seconds and then stop.Sounded very good with some Grp jazz through my sennheiser phones. It sometimes doesn't take up the tape back into the shell. ff and rw no hub movement with a cassette. Without a cassette in, rw will go for a few seconds and ff will run all day if you let it. Will a new idler wheel fix all of this? Thanks for any help/suggestions StanleyP From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jul 11 18:03:46 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:03:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon Message-ID: Hi Kannan, Really I can't understand HOW...a wire can break, IF...only IF...no one never touched, or get a unit NEW...or once use & guarded for 20 years, as mine...AMAZING what I read...what happen to owners in our lovely forum...OK....100% I agree that..something happen electrically, but a Wire or head that goes "Opened/wrong"...suddenly. For me if the Dragon change hands...the previous owner/s...attempted with the unit...can't think something else. Cheers, ALEX! ----------------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:24:02 -0700 > From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Before that - i would check connectors - play head as well as presets forplayback level adjustment and finally CMOS switch which mutes the line during modes like stop or pause. I have also seen broken wire at the head when one channel completely - rather than the head itself. > Kannan > Hi Tech wrote: > If you have cleaned it looking with a magnifier and good light, then you > may have an open head (dread!) I have one here with an open head, so we > know it can happen. ESL has heads, but their cost is more than a used, > working eBay Dragon. Good luck. > tom brucker > At 04:18 AM 7/11/06 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >My Dragon is playing very low in the left channel. I ran through the > >calibrations but was unable to get the left channel up to the zero level. > It > >actually does not move up at all. > > > >Does anyone have any ideas? > > > >Thanks, > > Matt > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ----------------------------------------------- > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:06:39 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060711190639.24837.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Why can't you believe it?????? If you look at your gifted Dragon the head block moves up and down and that movement puts stress on the wires. Not a lot, but, wires have a finite number of bend cycles before they break. BTW - I has a Teac Z-7000 cassette deck that had extremely low output on one channel and the wires for that head were extremely sensitive to movement like a microphone! (Triboelectric effect). Anyway that deck was never touched and yet it had a bad channel on it's PB head. I ohm'd it out at the head and it was open. Kind of sad. It is a beautiful deck and weighted about 30 pounds. SJ --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > Really I can't understand HOW...a wire can break, IF...only IF...no > one never touched, or get a unit NEW...or once use & guarded for 20 > years, as mine...AMAZING what I read...what happen to owners in our > lovely forum...OK....100% I agree that..something happen > electrically, but a Wire or head that goes > "Opened/wrong"...suddenly. For me if the Dragon change hands...the > previous owner/s...attempted with the unit...can't think something > else. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > ----------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:24:02 -0700 > > From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Before that - i would check connectors - play head as well as > presets forplayback level adjustment and finally CMOS switch which > mutes the line during modes like stop or pause. I have also seen > broken wire at the head when one channel completely - rather than > the head itself. > > Kannan > > Hi Tech wrote: > > If you have cleaned it looking with a magnifier and good light, > then you > > may have an open head (dread!) I have one here with an open head, > so we > > know it can happen. ESL has heads, but their cost is more than a > used, > > working eBay Dragon. Good luck. > > tom brucker > > At 04:18 AM 7/11/06 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > > > >My Dragon is playing very low in the left channel. I ran through > the > > >calibrations but was unable to get the left channel up to the > zero level. > > It > > >actually does not move up at all. > > > > > >Does anyone have any ideas? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > Matt > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ----------------------------------------------- > > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, > sports, weather, and much more. > http://www.live.com/getstarted > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:08:05 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Bx100 In-Reply-To: <20060711160143.NXD26879.ibm57aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20060711190805.3219.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup. Sounds like the idler tire needs replacing. Buy several, they need replacing every 2-3 years. SJ --- jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net wrote: > Howdy all, > > I've got a little bx100 I'd like to get going for a friend. > > So Far... > > Cleaned heads, capstan, pinch roller. > > Removed cassette back plate and tried cleaning hubs and the rubber > drive > wheel for ff,rw,takeup > > It will play a few seconds and then stop.Sounded very good with > some Grp > jazz through my sennheiser phones. > > It sometimes doesn't take up the tape back into the shell. ff and > rw no > hub movement with a cassette. > Without a cassette in, rw will go for a few seconds and ff will run > all > day if you let it. > > Will a new idler wheel fix all of this? > > Thanks for any help/suggestions > > StanleyP > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Jul 11 21:20:21 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:20:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Additional Equipment auxiliary to T100 Message-ID: <001101c6a51f$0fb0c4d0$b1d017c4@home> For the very knowledgible members who might help me with this 'Thing'.Please call up eBay #9739912725.(My apologies--I dont know how you put the item directly onto Naktalk).Should the picture not come up when you do this--here's a description: The item has a Nak logo on it but is not mass produced(at least in large quantities) This I presume from the construction of the case which is steel sheeting and painted black and is not constructed in the finish of the T100(has its approximate shape/size however) or any tape deck.On viewing the item one gets the distinct impression that it is used solely in repair/service shops for Nakamichi.The T100 Service manual however makes no mention of it. WIRE CONNECTIONS are as follows; Power lead--makes no mention of Voltages,Wattages,frequency or model Computer connector lead --which ends in 2 computer connectors. FRONT; A small red LED,Power switch ,grey Filter Switch and a Level turning knob(small) The switches are 'push/release switches. This side has the Nak logo in white on it. BACK: Connectors (all RCA)as follows;(top connectors first)a) T100 Mon T100 Out, b) T100 R-IN T100 L-in, c)Tape R-In Tape L-in, d)Tape R-Out Tape L-out .Then the two wire connectors listed above.The case has no air vents. The seller indicated -in German -that it is a Richtlienienschreiber--which directly translated is a 'Line direction writer'. He also indicated that there was software for it.It must be some processor of sorts(maybe to do performance graphics?) MY request: Can anyone sell/supply me with an operators manual (or indicate please were all this is optainable from),the operating software(seller had neither but his friend who had the software had already deleted) or any interesting info about it.I am sure any info will be of interest to Naktalk esp, those that have Nakamichi T100 Audioanalysers with which it interacts. The item has NO NAME or description on it--other than a Nak logo ! Sorry about the length of this mail--I could however not describe the 'thing'in a more abreviated fashion! Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thom at winter-harbor.com Tue Jul 11 20:47:38 2006 From: thom at winter-harbor.com (Thomas, Winter Harbor Software) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:47:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 "somewhere out there" In-Reply-To: <20060711160143.NXD26879.ibm57aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellso uth.net> References: <20060711160143.NXD26879.ibm57aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060711143737.03d18c10@winter-harbor.com> Hi all, I've been subscribed for a while but not made any postings in a long time. Over a decade ago, I had a BX-300 three head cassette deck stolen from my apartment. (I think I was eventually able to guess who was responsible, and that it went to a used audio equipment shop after that.) Anyway, for sentimental reasons some day it would be interesting to me to be re-united with this BX-300. I *think* that I engraved an ID # on the back of the deck. It's a very remote "long shot" but I thought it would be amusing to post to this group and ask folks who are buying used BX-300's to be on the lookout for a deck with an ID# engraved on the back --- or maybe some evidence of erasure. Well, maybe it's silly. But maybe that BX-300 is still in service and circulating around "out there somewhere". Cheers! From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 11 22:21:20 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:21:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon In-Reply-To: <560448.1152616685253.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Message-ID: I had this once with my old Aiwa deck. before running off to the repair shop I cleaned the heads. That fixed it! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of mwhipple at charter.net Sent: 11 July 2006 12:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon Hi all, My Dragon is playing very low in the left channel. I ran through the calibrations but was unable to get the left channel up to the zero level. It actually does not move up at all. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Matt From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jul 11 22:52:42 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:52:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Additional Equipment auxiliary to T100 Message-ID: It's a piece of test equipment--can let you do wow/flutter, distortion, speed adjustment, etc. However, to get the most of it you need test tapes and stuff as well. It is useful even without those, but less so. You need to be the tinkerer type, though, to use it. The manuals are readily available. It is in the Naks.com Naks database if you want more details They come up reasonably often, although I wouldn't say "frequently" and run somewhere between $100 and $500 roughly, depending on the usual ebay variables. The most common "missing" thing that's hard to replace is the extra scale that lets you read some tests in more convenient units (like power in watts). It's not an absolute necessity but it is nice. Tom (or someone else that has one that includes the scale--I'm guessing that only some included it as it seems too many that appear on ebay don't have it to just be "it got lost")--could someone make a good color 1:1 scan and post it so we can at least make a paper equivlent?-kby From rjkent at comcast.net Tue Jul 11 23:18:22 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:18:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Low Channel Message-ID: <004501c6a52f$8a686060$0301a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Matt wrote: >Hi all, >My Dragon is playing very low in the left channel. I ran through the >calibrations but was unable to get the left channel up to the zero level. It >actually does not move up at all. >Does anyone have any ideas? >Thanks, > Matt Hi Matt, In addition to the suggestions already made, I suggest you cycle your Tape/Source Monitor switch several times to see if you notice a difference. I had a very similar problem with my 682ZX when one channel went to very low level after having not been used for a couple of months. While playing with it, I noticed that touching the Monitor switch would cause it too change. I opened the case and gave the switch a few good shots with Caig DeOxit, and it has worked fine ever since.....there must have been a particle of debris on one of the contacts. There are some holes on the side of the switch housing that allow you to spray into it. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leohilarious at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 23:26:51 2006 From: leohilarious at yahoo.com (Leohilarious) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:26:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi MR-1 manual In-Reply-To: <200607112005.k6BK5F2P014105@zxe.naks.com> References: <200607112005.k6BK5F2P014105@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <44B4179B.7090409@yahoo.com> Hi Chris, Thanks very much for the link. Richard on this list was kind enough to email me the PDF file version of the manual which is perfect. I'm going to submit it to the Naks manual collection on www.naks.mine.nu so others can grab it also. Thanks! Leo > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:20:14 +0100 (BST) > From: Chris Mann > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 manual > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <20060711102014.67929.qmail at web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Leo > > I looked on Google for your manual and found this item > on eBay. I know that some of us have cause to be > suspicious of some items listed there, but this might > be a safe bet for you: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MR-1-Pro-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ250005958196QQihZ015QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem > > Let me know if that's what you were looking for. > There's nothing worse than knowing that what you want > is available, but just out of reach. > > Chris > > > > > > > > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Jul 12 00:16:14 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:16:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Additional Equipment auxiliary to T100 References: Message-ID: <002d01c6a537$a21669c0$b1d017c4@home> I think you ae referring to the T100.The item that I am asking about is a item about the sixe of a T100 and connects to a T100 and decks! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimo B. Yap" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] Additional Equipment auxiliary to T100 > It's a piece of test equipment--can let you do wow/flutter, distortion, > speed adjustment, etc. However, > to get the most of it you need test tapes and stuff as well. It is useful > even without those, but less so. > You need to be the tinkerer type, though, to use it. The manuals are > readily available. It is in > the Naks.com Naks database if you want more details > > They come up reasonably often, although I wouldn't say "frequently" and > run somewhere between $100 and $500 roughly, depending on > the usual ebay variables. > > The most common "missing" thing that's hard to replace is the extra scale > that lets you read some tests > in more convenient units (like power in watts). It's not an absolute > necessity but it is nice. Tom (or someone else > that has one that includes the scale--I'm guessing that only some > included it as it seems too many that appear > on ebay don't have it to just be "it got lost")--could someone make a > good color 1:1 scan and post it so we > can at least make a paper equivlent?-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From N4229K at aol.com Wed Jul 12 03:17:53 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:17:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Bx100 Message-ID: <54d.293bfb0.31e5a7c1@aol.com> If you need idler tires I have them. Let me know Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jul 12 00:57:03 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:57:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Additional Equipment auxiliary to T100 Message-ID: <3E8CE2A0-5C26-4116-B722-9914DB9122FF@alumni.caltech.edu> > I think you ae referring to the T100.The item that I am asking > about is a > item about the sixe of a T100 and connects to a T100 and decks! > Walter > Mea culpa, you are correct. I didn't actually look at the auction when I read your original post, but I have apparently at least glanced at it previously according to my browser. I couldn't see the pictures this time and I can't remember when I could last time. Maybe it seemed to me like it was just someone who didn't know exactly what they were talking about or more likely a combination of that and being too lazy. However, this time I ran the text through Google's translation engine--my German is above non-existent, but not that good. From what I can gather from it it seems like an oscilloscope-related thing. I'll check the manual, but I don't remember anything specifically designed for it: Curve tracer for Nakamichi audio Analyzer T-100 The software to the part is missing! So far was written the software on an Amiga or a Atari computer admits to me. Can do me also err. Unfortunately no further documents are present! Due to the missing software the equipment is offered as defective commodity for amateur handicraftsmen. Scope of supply: Shown equipment. In the picture the front and back are to be seen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leohilarious at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 02:13:00 2006 From: leohilarious at yahoo.com (Leohilarious) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:13:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth adjusting on the MR-1 In-Reply-To: <200607090946.k699jTiH030798@zxe.naks.com> References: <200607090946.k699jTiH030798@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <44B43E8C.2080404@yahoo.com> Thanks very much Scott. So the screw on the far right is the only one I need to worry about adjusting for playback? It seems to do the trick, so I'm assuming that's all there is to it. Definitely makes a difference for some of my tapes. Thanks again. Leo > Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:10:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth adjusting on the MR-1 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20060709031019.57130.qmail at web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Figure 4.17 shows the function of the screws. The one on the far > left in the picture is the playback head azimuth. Looking at the > deck it's the one on the far right. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt1.html > > You can adjust this screw by ear for each tape just like a CR-7. Of > course it doesn't adjust itself back during recording. You should > mark its position before playing with it. For most tapes you > shouldn't need to turn it more than 1/2 turn either way. > > SJ > > > > > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 07:28:01 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 05:28:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon Message-ID: Hi my dear Scott, I check just now with the cassette cover out, & I saw that ALL the heads block...with the wires moves together...& the wires DON'T move alone, second I think that when in the factory a "Geisha"...solder the wires to the heads...she "Leave"...some "FREE" wire in case that as you wrote Scott, the wires got streched...you recall my reply.from another response, I read that if the Dragon's owner press the "Tape-Source" switch, several times...& or open the upper case for spray some "Servisol" clean/lube liquid...I'm also sure that such defect will be OK again. Thank you so much for your always cute advice, Sincerely, ALEX! ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:06:39 -0700 > From: p9019 at yahoo.com > Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Why can't you believe it?????? > If you look at your gifted Dragon the head block moves up and down > and that movement puts stress on the wires. Not a lot, but, wires > have a finite number of bend cycles before they break. > > BTW - I has a Teac Z-7000 cassette deck that had extremely low output > on one channel and the wires for that head were extremely sensitive > to movement like a microphone! (Triboelectric effect). Anyway that > deck was never touched and yet it had a bad channel on it's PB head. > > I ohm'd it out at the head and it was open. Kind of sad. It is a > beautiful deck and weighted about 30 pounds. > > SJ > > --- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hi Kannan, > > > > Really I can't understand HOW...a wire can break, IF...only IF...no > > one never touched, or get a unit NEW...or once use & guarded for 20 > > years, as mine...AMAZING what I read...what happen to owners in our > > lovely forum...OK....100% I agree that..something happen > > electrically, but a Wire or head that goes > > "Opened/wrong"...suddenly. For me if the Dragon change hands...the > > previous owner/s...attempted with the unit...can't think something > > else. > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:24:02 -0700 > > > From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Before that - i would check connectors - play head as well as > > presets forplayback level adjustment and finally CMOS switch which > > mutes the line during modes like stop or pause. I have also seen > > broken wire at the head when one channel completely - rather than > > the head itself. > > > Kannan > > > Hi Tech wrote: > > > If you have cleaned it looking with a magnifier and good light, > > then you > > > may have an open head (dread!) I have one here with an open head, > > so we > > > know it can happen. ESL has heads, but their cost is more than a > > used, > > > working eBay Dragon. Good luck. > > > tom brucker > > > At 04:18 AM 7/11/06 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Hi all, > > > > > > > >My Dragon is playing very low in the left channel. I ran through > > the > > > >calibrations but was unable to get the left channel up to the > > zero level. > > > It > > > >actually does not move up at all. > > > > > > > >Does anyone have any ideas? > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > > Hi Tech Service > > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, > > sports, weather, and much more. > > http://www.live.com/getstarted > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted From modernizy at netscape.net Wed Jul 12 08:45:33 2006 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:45:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Additional Equipment auxiliary to T100 In-Reply-To: <001101c6a51f$0fb0c4d0$b1d017c4@home> References: <001101c6a51f$0fb0c4d0$b1d017c4@home> Message-ID: <8C87395E8828484-20FC-9927@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> Hello, Walter, Though the photo from the auction you referred is missing I suppose it presents NAKAMICHI NAC 100 E analyzer, which is, as far as I know, a computer version of T-100 analyzer. Please find below the very important information I got from our German co-member Klaus Fendt some years ago when watching the auction with the same item: "The NAC 100 E isn't useable as a standalone module: In the original package there was a special module looking like a video game fitting into an Atari 400 XL or Atari 800 XL computer. Without this module and without the Atari machine there is no chance to operate the NAC 100 E." Hope this helps you. With the very best wishes, Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Jul 12 13:42:40 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:42:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Help for someone to scan two Service manuals to NAk-tech sites Message-ID: Looking for someone to help me scan two service manuals and one owners manual for the RX303 and 700 TRi-Tracer Nakamichi tape decks. I would like to send someone in the U.S. the manuals, and also pay for return shipping of the manuals, if someone knows how to Scan them onto Scott Johnson or the other Luis P.'s tech service site. I have a selfish reason for this, and that is the manuals would be up on an available site should my 303/ 700 units ever require service. Also I think it would be a good thing for others who may not have their copies of these manuals. At the same time, I would request that someone upload their copy of the 700 Tritracers owners manual , because I do not have that one yet.I could also obtain that 700 owners manual from Techman777. Again, I would gladly cover the cost of sending the manuals back and forth if someone would just please agree to send them back . I've already been scorched by one illustrious Naktalk member who weasled out of an agreement to send 12.95 shipping in return for a free cassette deck, so I would hope I get the manuels back. I guess the honor system doesent always work though. -- From jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 12 15:33:39 2006 From: jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net (jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 9:33:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 41, Issue 14 Message-ID: <20060712133339.QSFH1215.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Scott and Dean, Thanks for the replys. Hope to have it singing soon. StanleyP From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Jul 12 20:29:13 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:29:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Additional Equipment auxiliary to T100 References: <3E8CE2A0-5C26-4116-B722-9914DB9122FF@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <002501c6a5e1$154eaca0$5cd117c4@home> Thanks again Kimo! Both Operators and Service manuals of the T100 make no mention whatsoever of any aditional electronic item that can be used in conjunction with it. BTW I have the detached Voltage face plate that one never gets with theT100 on auctions. I got it brand new on eBay! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] Additional Equipment auxiliary to T100 > I think you ae referring to the T100.The item that I am asking > about is a > item about the sixe of a T100 and connects to a T100 and decks! > Walter > Mea culpa, you are correct. I didn't actually look at the auction when I read your original post, but I have apparently at least glanced at it previously according to my browser. I couldn't see the pictures this time and I can't remember when I could last time. Maybe it seemed to me like it was just someone who didn't know exactly what they were talking about or more likely a combination of that and being too lazy. However, this time I ran the text through Google's translation engine--my German is above non-existent, but not that good. From what I can gather from it it seems like an oscilloscope-related thing. I'll check the manual, but I don't remember anything specifically designed for it: Curve tracer for Nakamichi audio Analyzer T-100 The software to the part is missing! So far was written the software on an Amiga or a Atari computer admits to me. Can do me also err. Unfortunately no further documents are present! Due to the missing software the equipment is offered as defective commodity for amateur handicraftsmen. Scope of supply: Shown equipment. In the picture the front and back are to be seen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jul 12 23:41:48 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:41:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Additional Equipment auxiliary to T100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060712164148.0083d620@earthlink.net> I've got the watts scale. Someone please keep a list of stuff for me to scan and post when I get a scanner! BTW you can plug mics into this and EQ rooms with the T100. tom brucker At 01:52 PM 7/11/06 -0700, you wrote: >It's a piece of test equipment--can let you do wow/flutter, >distortion, speed adjustment, etc. However, >to get the most of it you need test tapes and stuff as well. It is >useful even without those, but less so. >You need to be the tinkerer type, though, to use it. The manuals are >readily available. It is in >the Naks.com Naks database if you want more details > >They come up reasonably often, although I wouldn't say "frequently" >and run somewhere between $100 and $500 roughly, depending on >the usual ebay variables. > >The most common "missing" thing that's hard to replace is the extra >scale that lets you read some tests >in more convenient units (like power in watts). It's not an absolute >necessity but it is nice. Tom (or someone else >that has one that includes the scale--I'm guessing that only some >included it as it seems too many that appear >on ebay don't have it to just be "it got lost")--could someone make a >good color 1:1 scan and post it so we >can at least make a paper equivlent?-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From miroslavt at hotmail.com Thu Jul 13 12:42:41 2006 From: miroslavt at hotmail.com (Miroslav Tkachenko) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:42:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] software to catalog your collection In-Reply-To: <20051008035234.65596.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear All, What is the best software to catalog your musical collection? I have all kinds of media ( vinyl, CD, DVD, LD, VHS, pre-recorder cassettes, cassettes made on NAK ets�) Best regards, Miroslav Tkachenko P.O.B.391 Netania 42103, Israel e-mail -miroslavt at hotmail.com you can send attachments up to 10 MB www.opiumsongs.com Call me on Skype- miroslavt1208 tel. 972-50-5985666(mobile with answering machine-please leave a message!) >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks >Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:52:34 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Derrick, > > Our man Kermit has given you an encyclopedic >knowledge of reel decks, condesnsed! As a home user, >who is looking for good sound combined with ease of >use and features, I woulc recommend the following reel >deck. Teac X1000R, X2000R and A4300, Revox A77, B77 >(the PR99 being the pro version of the B77). Among the >Akais, I would love the GX747 for its looks and ease >of use. When getting one, ensure that all the leds in >the bargraph meters are working. > >Any and every reel deck needs service. And most reel >decks, when properly serviced and aligned, would >really perform and last for a long time. Which is true >with cassette decks and why so much is being said >about maintainence and service. Good Luck, and welcome >to the even more esoteric field of reel to reel. > >Bala > >--- "Kermit V. Gray" >wrote: > > > Hi Derrick, > > > > > > > > Derrick Beckner wrote: > > > A little off topic, but not too far I hope. > > > Been interested in picking up a decent reel to > > reel deck. What brands > > > should I be looking for? Any models that are good > > intro decks? > > > > Intro level: The Big Three of intro deck brands are: > > Teac (especially > > 3340, X1000), Akai (especially M7, M8, GX757), and > > Pioneer (especially > > RT-2020, RT-2040, RT-1011L; the RT-707 and RT-701 > > are nice with oddly > > colored sound -- and quite unreliable). I have, or > > have had, Akai M8, > > GX4000D; Pioneer RT-1011L, RT-701; Teac 3340. My > > most-favorite of the > > group: Teac 3340. My Pioneer RT-701 was stolen and > > the thief deserves it. > > > > Also consider: Sony (beware battery units, low end > > units and go for > > higher models only); Dokorder (reliability may be a > > problem), > > Telefunken, Bang & Olufsen, Philips, Telex (only the > > 2002 and Viking), > > Wollensak (so-so sound but the later stereo units > > are decent), Fostex, > > Pentron (beware and avoid cheapie battery units). I > > had a Fostex E16 > > briefly; nice sound, awful build quality. > > > > Do consider Uher 5000 and 700 "Royal" series. The > > 4000 series have a > > cult following but are widely regarded as ENG units, > > have strong > > coloration -- you'll love it or hate it -- and have > > the WORST ergonomics > > ever inflicted on a tape deck. Take it from a Uher > > 4400 Report Stereo > > and 4000 Report Pilot owner. > > > > Excellent level: Tandberg (especially 10-X), > > Ferrograph (especially > > Logic-7), Revox (A77, B77, E36, F36, G36, PR99); > > Tascam (25-2, 32-2); > > Otari (MX-50, MX-5050, MR70, MR90); Crown (700 or > > 800), Nakamichi, > > Magnecorder, Nagra (II and III -- grudgingly). I've > > had Revox A77, B77, > > PR99 (Loved 'em!); Magnecorder PT6 stereo > > conversion, Tascam 25-2 and > > 80-8, Crown 700, Otari MX5050, and Nagra III (which > > I disliked > > intensely). Also, whomever stole my Ferrograph > > Logic-7, please give it back. > > > > Wow Level: Ampex (except home models, which are to > > be avoided), Studer > > B67, Studiocraft, MCI, Soundcraftsman, Ampro, > > Berlant-Concertone, and > > ATC/Tapecaster, Stellavox. I've had Ampex 602, 350, > > 354. Loved 'em! > > > > Glory Level: Scully 100, 280, 280B; Studer A80 or > > A800, 3M 79, > > Telefunken M-3, Ampex ATR-100, MM-1100, MM-1600 or > > MR-70. I've had > > Scully 280, 280B (almost impossible to get parts for > > now) which I > > nominate for The Best Analog Deck Award (BAD Award), > > Studer A80. Also > > had an Ampex MR70, which I will always regret > > selling. Stupid, stupid, > > stupid! > > > > > How do pre-recorded reel to reel recording stand > > up to LP? > > > > It varies with the record label. Some are no better > > than highspeed duped > > cassettes, but some are wonderful. LOOK FOR > > BARCLAY-CROCKER tapes, they > > are near-to-master quality! > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 > > USA > > 816-918-5058 cellphone > > 913-422-0957 business > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html > > for pro audio info > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jul 13 13:14:28 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:14:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy Message-ID: <20060713111428.15505.qmail@web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Until I bought my BX-300E earlier this year, I'd lived with an Aiwa AD-WX929 twin auto-reverse deck and never questioned its speed accuracy. However, last week I decided to use the Nak to re-record an old C-120 (recorded on the Aiwa) for which I still had the source material. You know what's coming.. I ran out of tape before the source stopped playing. So, I knew the Nak was running faster than the Aiwa. Because of the length of program left, I worked out the difference was about 1.5%. I played another tape recorded on the Aiwa and played the source CD simultaneously (cueing that was fun...). I set the pitch control on the Nak so that the two stayed in sync and the speed setting corresponded to approximately -1.2% (assuming that the speed reduces more or less proportionately with each step on the knob). So now I can adjust the pitch when I play tapes recorded on the Aiwa. The question is - and I've always respected Aiwa decks so I feel it's a fair question - is the Aiwa likely be running slow or is the Nak likely to be running fast? I have reason to think the Nak had no work done from new until I bought it. I'd be grateful to read the thoughts of anyone who has used a BX-300 extensively or has good knowledge of it. What I do if I have a "fast" Nak I'm not quite sure... Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 13 14:36:49 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:36:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] software to catalog your collection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B63E61.7050903@rcn.com> Try a spread sheet. Chances are, you already have one. -- Ron Miroslav Tkachenko wrote: > > Dear All, > What is the best software to catalog your musical collection? I have all > kinds of media ( vinyl, CD, DVD, LD, VHS, pre-recorder cassettes, > cassettes made on NAK ets…) > > > > Best regards, > Miroslav Tkachenko > P.O.B.391 > Netania 42103, Israel > e-mail -miroslavt at hotmail.com > you can send attachments up to 10 MB > www.opiumsongs.com > Call me on Skype- miroslavt1208 > tel. 972-50-5985666(mobile with answering machine-please leave a message!) > > > > > >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reel to Reel decks >> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:52:34 -0700 (PDT) >> >> Hi Derrick, >> >> Our man Kermit has given you an encyclopedic >> knowledge of reel decks, condesnsed! As a home user, >> who is looking for good sound combined with ease of >> use and features, I woulc recommend the following reel >> deck. Teac X1000R, X2000R and A4300, Revox A77, B77 >> (the PR99 being the pro version of the B77). Among the >> Akais, I would love the GX747 for its looks and ease >> of use. When getting one, ensure that all the leds in >> the bargraph meters are working. >> >> Any and every reel deck needs service. And most reel >> decks, when properly serviced and aligned, would >> really perform and last for a long time. Which is true >> with cassette decks and why so much is being said >> about maintainence and service. Good Luck, and welcome >> to the even more esoteric field of reel to reel. >> >> Bala >> >> --- "Kermit V. Gray" >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Derrick, >> > >> > >> > >> > Derrick Beckner wrote: >> > > A little off topic, but not too far I hope. >> > > Been interested in picking up a decent reel to >> > reel deck. What brands >> > > should I be looking for? Any models that are good >> > intro decks? >> > >> > Intro level: The Big Three of intro deck brands are: >> > Teac (especially >> > 3340, X1000), Akai (especially M7, M8, GX757), and >> > Pioneer (especially >> > RT-2020, RT-2040, RT-1011L; the RT-707 and RT-701 >> > are nice with oddly >> > colored sound -- and quite unreliable). I have, or >> > have had, Akai M8, >> > GX4000D; Pioneer RT-1011L, RT-701; Teac 3340. My >> > most-favorite of the >> > group: Teac 3340. My Pioneer RT-701 was stolen and >> > the thief deserves it. >> > >> > Also consider: Sony (beware battery units, low end >> > units and go for >> > higher models only); Dokorder (reliability may be a >> > problem), >> > Telefunken, Bang & Olufsen, Philips, Telex (only the >> > 2002 and Viking), >> > Wollensak (so-so sound but the later stereo units >> > are decent), Fostex, >> > Pentron (beware and avoid cheapie battery units). I >> > had a Fostex E16 >> > briefly; nice sound, awful build quality. >> > >> > Do consider Uher 5000 and 700 "Royal" series. The >> > 4000 series have a >> > cult following but are widely regarded as ENG units, >> > have strong >> > coloration -- you'll love it or hate it -- and have >> > the WORST ergonomics >> > ever inflicted on a tape deck. Take it from a Uher >> > 4400 Report Stereo >> > and 4000 Report Pilot owner. >> > >> > Excellent level: Tandberg (especially 10-X), >> > Ferrograph (especially >> > Logic-7), Revox (A77, B77, E36, F36, G36, PR99); >> > Tascam (25-2, 32-2); >> > Otari (MX-50, MX-5050, MR70, MR90); Crown (700 or >> > 800), Nakamichi, >> > Magnecorder, Nagra (II and III -- grudgingly). I've >> > had Revox A77, B77, >> > PR99 (Loved 'em!); Magnecorder PT6 stereo >> > conversion, Tascam 25-2 and >> > 80-8, Crown 700, Otari MX5050, and Nagra III (which >> > I disliked >> > intensely). Also, whomever stole my Ferrograph >> > Logic-7, please give it back. >> > >> > Wow Level: Ampex (except home models, which are to >> > be avoided), Studer >> > B67, Studiocraft, MCI, Soundcraftsman, Ampro, >> > Berlant-Concertone, and >> > ATC/Tapecaster, Stellavox. I've had Ampex 602, 350, >> > 354. Loved 'em! >> > >> > Glory Level: Scully 100, 280, 280B; Studer A80 or >> > A800, 3M 79, >> > Telefunken M-3, Ampex ATR-100, MM-1100, MM-1600 or >> > MR-70. I've had >> > Scully 280, 280B (almost impossible to get parts for >> > now) which I >> > nominate for The Best Analog Deck Award (BAD Award), >> > Studer A80. Also >> > had an Ampex MR70, which I will always regret >> > selling. Stupid, stupid, >> > stupid! >> > >> > > How do pre-recorded reel to reel recording stand >> > up to LP? >> > >> > It varies with the record label. Some are no better >> > than highspeed duped >> > cassettes, but some are wonderful. LOOK FOR >> > BARCLAY-CROCKER tapes, they >> > are near-to-master quality! >> > >> > -- >> > Kermit Gray >> > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> > 16371 Lake Point Drive >> > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >> > USA >> > 816-918-5058 cellphone >> > 913-422-0957 business >> > http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html >> > for pro audio info >> From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 13 14:44:16 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:44:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy In-Reply-To: <20060713111428.15505.qmail@web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060713111428.15505.qmail@web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44B64020.2020104@rcn.com> Adjusting the speed of the bx-300 is fairly easy. You need a cassette accurately recorded with a 3KHz tone and a counter. Attach the counter to the deck output, play the cassette and adjust for a reading of 3KHz. The adjustment pot is located on the rear of the capstan motor board. You will find that, consistently, 0.5%-0.7% is the best you can do. -- Ron Chris Mann wrote: > Until I bought my BX-300E earlier this year, I'd lived > with an Aiwa AD-WX929 twin auto-reverse deck and never > questioned its speed accuracy. > > However, last week I decided to use the Nak to > re-record an old C-120 (recorded on the Aiwa) for > which I still had the source material. You know what's > coming.. I ran out of tape before the source stopped > playing. So, I knew the Nak was running faster than > the Aiwa. > > Because of the length of program left, I worked out > the difference was about 1.5%. I played another tape > recorded on the Aiwa and played the source CD > simultaneously (cueing that was fun...). I set the > pitch control on the Nak so that the two stayed in > sync and the speed setting corresponded to > approximately -1.2% (assuming that the speed reduces > more or less proportionately with each step on the > knob). > > So now I can adjust the pitch when I play tapes > recorded on the Aiwa. The question is - and I've > always respected Aiwa decks so I feel it's a fair > question - is the Aiwa likely be running slow or is > the Nak likely to be running fast? I have reason to > think the Nak had no work done from new until I bought > it. > > I'd be grateful to read the thoughts of anyone who has > used a BX-300 extensively or has good knowledge of it. > What I do if I have a "fast" Nak I'm not quite sure... > > Chris From mwhipple at charter.net Thu Jul 13 16:59:28 2006 From: mwhipple at charter.net (mwhipple at charter.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 7:59:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon Message-ID: <696393945.1152802768952.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Thanks for all the input everyone. Sometimes the left channel works for a while and sometimes it does not. You can hear it cycle up and down (or in and out), but eventually it drops off. Matt ---- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi my dear Scott, > > I check just now with the cassette cover out, & I saw that ALL the heads block...with the wires moves together...& the wires DON'T move alone, second I think that when in the factory a "Geisha"...solder the wires to the heads...she "Leave"...some "FREE" wire in case that as you wrote Scott, the wires got streched...you recall my reply.from another response, I read that if the Dragon's owner press the "Tape-Source" switch, several times...& or open the upper case for spray some "Servisol" clean/lube liquid...I'm also sure that such defect will be OK again. > > Thank you so much for your always cute advice, > > Sincerely, > > ALEX! > > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:06:39 -0700 > > From: p9019 at yahoo.com > > Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Why can't you believe it?????? > > If you look at your gifted Dragon the head block moves up and down > > and that movement puts stress on the wires. Not a lot, but, wires > > have a finite number of bend cycles before they break. > > > > BTW - I has a Teac Z-7000 cassette deck that had extremely low output > > on one channel and the wires for that head were extremely sensitive > > to movement like a microphone! (Triboelectric effect). Anyway that > > deck was never touched and yet it had a bad channel on it's PB head. > > > > I ohm'd it out at the head and it was open. Kind of sad. It is a > > beautiful deck and weighted about 30 pounds. > > > > SJ > > > > --- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Hi Kannan, > > > > > > Really I can't understand HOW...a wire can break, IF...only IF...no > > > one never touched, or get a unit NEW...or once use & guarded for 20 > > > years, as mine...AMAZING what I read...what happen to owners in our > > > lovely forum...OK....100% I agree that..something happen > > > electrically, but a Wire or head that goes > > > "Opened/wrong"...suddenly. For me if the Dragon change hands...the > > > previous owner/s...attempted with the unit...can't think something > > > else. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:24:02 -0700 > > > > From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Low Channel on Dragon > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Before that - i would check connectors - play head as well as > > > presets forplayback level adjustment and finally CMOS switch which > > > mutes the line during modes like stop or pause. I have also seen > > > broken wire at the head when one channel completely - rather than > > > the head itself. > > > > Kannan > > > > Hi Tech wrote: > > > > If you have cleaned it looking with a magnifier and good light, > > > then you > > > > may have an open head (dread!) I have one here with an open head, > > > so we > > > > know it can happen. ESL has heads, but their cost is more than a > > > used, > > > > working eBay Dragon. Good luck. > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 04:18 AM 7/11/06 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > > > > > >My Dragon is playing very low in the left channel. I ran through > > > the > > > > >calibrations but was unable to get the left channel up to the > > > zero level. > > > > It > > > > >actually does not move up at all. > > > > > > > > > >Does anyone have any ideas? > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > > > Hi Tech Service > > > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, > > > sports, weather, and much more. > > > http://www.live.com/getstarted > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. > http://www.live.com/getstarted > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 13 18:03:07 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:03:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy In-Reply-To: <20060713111428.15505.qmail@web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060713110307.00834290@earthlink.net> >From the factory all Naks' speed was dead on. Most Japanese decks are 1 1/2% fast at a minimum, typically 3% fast. I think someone has adjusted your Nak to 3% fast. tom brucker At 12:14 PM 7/13/06 +0100, you wrote: >Until I bought my BX-300E earlier this year, I'd lived >with an Aiwa AD-WX929 twin auto-reverse deck and never >questioned its speed accuracy. > >However, last week I decided to use the Nak to >re-record an old C-120 (recorded on the Aiwa) for >which I still had the source material. You know what's >coming.. I ran out of tape before the source stopped >playing. So, I knew the Nak was running faster than >the Aiwa. > >Because of the length of program left, I worked out >the difference was about 1.5%. I played another tape >recorded on the Aiwa and played the source CD >simultaneously (cueing that was fun...). I set the >pitch control on the Nak so that the two stayed in >sync and the speed setting corresponded to >approximately -1.2% (assuming that the speed reduces >more or less proportionately with each step on the >knob). > >So now I can adjust the pitch when I play tapes >recorded on the Aiwa. The question is - and I've >always respected Aiwa decks so I feel it's a fair >question - is the Aiwa likely be running slow or is >the Nak likely to be running fast? I have reason to >think the Nak had no work done from new until I bought >it. > >I'd be grateful to read the thoughts of anyone who has >used a BX-300 extensively or has good knowledge of it. >What I do if I have a "fast" Nak I'm not quite sure... > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:25:48 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:25:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] software to catalog your collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try CD Trustee Pro, testing out the free version of CD Trustee first. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Miroslav Tkachenko Sent: 13 July 2006 11:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] software to catalog your collection Dear All, What is the best software to catalog your musical collection? I have all kinds of media ( vinyl, CD, DVD, LD, VHS, pre-recorder cassettes, cassettes made on NAK ets ) Best regards, Miroslav Tkachenko P.O.B.391 Netania 42103, Israel e-mail -miroslavt at hotmail.com you can send attachments up to 10 MB www.opiumsongs.com Call me on Skype- miroslavt1208 tel. 972-50-5985666(mobile with answering machine-please leave a message!) From tomas at tlec.se Fri Jul 14 03:05:40 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 03:05:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Help for someone to scan two Service manuals to NAk-techsites In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you dare to send it to Sweden, I'll scan it and put it on my site. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jerryjg > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 1:43 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Help for someone to scan two Service > manuals to NAk-techsites > > > Looking for someone to help me scan two service manuals and > one owners manual for the RX303 and 700 TRi-Tracer Nakamichi > tape decks. I would like to send someone in the U.S. the > manuals, and also pay for return shipping of the manuals, if > someone knows how to Scan them onto Scott Johnson or the > other Luis P.'s tech service site. I have a selfish reason > for this, and that is the manuals would be up on an available > site should my 303/ 700 units ever require service. Also I > think it would be a good thing for others who may not have > their copies of these manuals. At the same time, I would > request that someone upload their copy of the 700 Tritracers > owners manual , because I do not have that one yet.I could > also obtain that 700 owners manual from Techman777. Again, I > would gladly cover the cost of sending the manuals back and > forth if someone would just please agree to send them back . > I've already been scorched by one illustrious Naktalk member > who weasled out of an agreement to send 12.95 shipping in > return for a free cassette deck, so I would hope I get the > manuels back. I guess the honor system doesent always work though. > -- > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From sendigitall at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 07:34:39 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680zx doesnt record In-Reply-To: <200606261002.k5QA1CdS020956@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060714053439.80681.qmail@web52913.mail.yahoo.com> hi this is my second 680zx ..play and other features work fine , but when i press the rec button the light glows until i press it , nothing else happens, no reaction in the mechanism at all .I opened the cover and had a look first thing i saw was a blown R472 resistor its a fail safe type resistor of 22 ohms i replaced it , but no imporvement, other thing i noticed was some one had relplace the R512 resistor it is a 2 ohm resistor ,but they had placed a 10ohms resistor in its place and that too looks like a 1/2 watt resistor ,anyway i shall replace it too. Classic mechanism gurus kindly guide me in rectifying a non recording 680zx.. thanks senthil --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 14 11:21:17 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:21:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy Message-ID: <20060714092117.11705.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Ron, Tom many thanks for your advice. Tom, you told me what I'd expected: "from the factory all Naks' speed was dead on". But, one thing surprised me: "most Japanese decks are 1 1/2% fast at a minimum, typically 3% fast". It shows how little I truly know about these decks I've been using for 30-odd years. I guess most of us strive for "accuracy" in as many aspects of sound reproduction as we can, so why would anyone increase the speed of a deck from what I always assumed was a set-in-stone 1 7/8 ips? I also assumed that tape duplicating plants would run their machines at 1 7/8 ips - I'm starting to wonder... Time for me to be a bit controversial... I've realised how many variables govern the quality of tape sound, speed, head alignment, Dolby calibration, the list is long. Do CD players ever run fast or slow, and how would we know? If you have the kind of psyche that likes absolutes (as I seem to have) these kind of variations really are a pain... Chris From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Fri Jul 14 12:05:32 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:05:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy In-Reply-To: <20060713111428.15505.qmail@web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060713111428.15505.qmail@web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060713081154.031c0e78@pop.videotron.ca> In my experience, cassette deck speed accuracy varies quite a bit over time as decks warm up. A difference of, say 0.5%, over a few minutes is more the rule than the exception. I have tested hundreds of cassette deck from different manufacturers over the years when running clinics at Nakamichi dealers. I used the T-100 analyzer and reference 3 KHz tape. Very rarely would I find a deck which was spot on the correct speed. Most were a little fast. A difference of plus or minus 1.5% was considered best left alone, especially when the customer had already built an important library of tapes. -Marc At 07:14 07/13/2006, you wrote: >Until I bought my BX-300E earlier this year, I'd lived >with an Aiwa AD-WX929 twin auto-reverse deck and never >questioned its speed accuracy. > >However, last week I decided to use the Nak to >re-record an old C-120 (recorded on the Aiwa) for >which I still had the source material. You know what's >coming.. I ran out of tape before the source stopped >playing. So, I knew the Nak was running faster than >the Aiwa. > >Because of the length of program left, I worked out >the difference was about 1.5%. I played another tape >recorded on the Aiwa and played the source CD >simultaneously (cueing that was fun...). I set the >pitch control on the Nak so that the two stayed in >sync and the speed setting corresponded to >approximately -1.2% (assuming that the speed reduces >more or less proportionately with each step on the >knob). > >So now I can adjust the pitch when I play tapes >recorded on the Aiwa. The question is - and I've >always respected Aiwa decks so I feel it's a fair >question - is the Aiwa likely be running slow or is >the Nak likely to be running fast? I have reason to >think the Nak had no work done from new until I bought >it. > >I'd be grateful to read the thoughts of anyone who has >used a BX-300 extensively or has good knowledge of it. >What I do if I have a "fast" Nak I'm not quite sure... > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Jul 14 11:55:36 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:55:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ElectronicsCity.Com Marantz PMD502 Cassette Recorder-OT Post Message-ID: for some of you out there who may want to grab the very last of the available stock on a serious broadcast quality and studio unit, which is now out of production, I have run across this retailer selling stock on the MArantz PMD502 deck at a reduced price of 399.00, which is pretty good I think. One other unit that is probably availble new somewhere still, and also out of production is the Denon DN720R-also a widely used proffesional tape unit.I hope someone can prosper by this knowledge. Thanks for the OT-we now return you to your regularly scheduled program program..;-) -- From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 14 13:10:56 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:10:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy (again) Message-ID: <20060714111056.98523.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Ron In your reply to my first post on this subject, you mentioned a "counter" that I could use to measure the tone output by the deck playing a 3KHz test tape. Are these counters easy to get hold of? I guess they'd be like an oscilloscope... Sorry, this kind of measuring/calibration is a new thing for me. Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 14 16:27:30 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:27:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy In-Reply-To: <20060714092117.11705.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060714092117.11705.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44B7A9D2.7020404@rcn.com> Chris Mann wrote: > Ron, Tom many thanks for your advice. > > Tom, you told me what I'd expected: "from the factory > all Naks' speed was dead on". But, one thing surprised > me: "most Japanese decks are 1 1/2% fast at a minimum, > typically 3% fast". It shows how little I truly know > about these decks I've been using for 30-odd years. A lot depends in how you define 'dead on'. I defy anyone to adjust the trim pot to better than 15HZ (that's within about 0.5% with a 3KHz tape) and have it stay consistently on speed. > I guess most of us strive for "accuracy" in as many > aspects of sound reproduction as we can, so why would > anyone increase the speed of a deck from what I always > assumed was a set-in-stone 1 7/8 ips? I also assumed > that tape duplicating plants would run their machines > at 1 7/8 ips - I'm starting to wonder... > > Time for me to be a bit controversial... I've realised > how many variables govern the quality of tape sound, > speed, head alignment, Dolby calibration, the list is > long. Do CD players ever run fast or slow, and how > would we know? The speed of drives in CD players is immaterial -- the sound comes out at a speed determined by the internal clock oscillator, that is typically accurate to within 0.01%. -- Ron > > If you have the kind of psyche that likes absolutes > (as I seem to have) these kind of variations really > are a pain... > > Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 14 16:40:03 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:40:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy (again) In-Reply-To: <20060714111056.98523.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060714111056.98523.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44B7ACC3.8020607@rcn.com> Chris Mann wrote: > Ron > > In your reply to my first post on this subject, you > mentioned a "counter" that I could use to measure the > tone output by the deck playing a 3KHz test tape. > > Are these counters easy to get hold of? I guess they'd > be like an oscilloscope... Not anymore. Many DMMs contain a frequency counter that is well within the required accuracy for our purpose. Mine is a 3-3/4 digit Triplett (0.5% basic accuracy) that costs about $170 and will measure not just DC and AC (both average and true RMS) voltage and current, but also resistance, capacitance, inductance, temperature (probe included) and a square wave generator (specific frequencies, but quite useful all around). There are other similar models for similar prices. -- Ron Sorry, this kind of > measuring/calibration is a new thing for me. > > Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Jul 14 16:53:36 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:53:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy In-Reply-To: <20060714092117.11705.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060714095336.00839590@earthlink.net> The reason most Japanese decks are set fast is this "logic"; The human ear detect flat pitches more easily than sharp sounds, so it is wise to err on the Sharp side of the correct speed. 3% fast was almost a de facto speed setting. The other quirk is that play decks always are set faster than record decks in dual dubbig machines, for obvious reasons. Nakamichi, and the European machines Tandberg, B&O, were all at 0%. Another post recommended using a frequency counter to set speed. While this is adequate, you must set the gate time as slow as possible. Wow and drift both cause instantaneous changes in frequency. A count change of 30 is 1% speed variation. The Nakamichi T100 analyzer displays a real time weighted speed on one line and the wow on the lower line. One can easily see that bad mechanism have a lot of change on the spped line whan large amplitude wow is present on the bottom line. Fast flutter produces little change in the speed. I like the Nak T100 because you can see that a good transport will have stable speed AND only small changes in wow and flutter. BTW European speed tapes are 3150 Hz. , so be sure to use the correct frequency with the counter method. tom brucker At 10:21 AM 7/14/06 +0100, you wrote: >Ron, Tom many thanks for your advice. > >Tom, you told me what I'd expected: "from the factory >all Naks' speed was dead on". But, one thing surprised >me: "most Japanese decks are 1 1/2% fast at a minimum, >typically 3% fast". It shows how little I truly know >about these decks I've been using for 30-odd years. > >I guess most of us strive for "accuracy" in as many >aspects of sound reproduction as we can, so why would >anyone increase the speed of a deck from what I always >assumed was a set-in-stone 1 7/8 ips? I also assumed >that tape duplicating plants would run their machines >at 1 7/8 ips - I'm starting to wonder... > >Time for me to be a bit controversial... I've realised >how many variables govern the quality of tape sound, >speed, head alignment, Dolby calibration, the list is >long. Do CD players ever run fast or slow, and how >would we know? > >If you have the kind of psyche that likes absolutes >(as I seem to have) these kind of variations really >are a pain... > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Jul 14 21:40:31 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:40:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy In-Reply-To: <44B7A9D2.7020404@rcn.com> References: <20060714092117.11705.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060714092117.11705.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060714144031.0083dd20@earthlink.net> It is actually possible to have CDs with pitch control. Pioneer DJ cd players have this ability. CD play is locked to a local quartz clock, so the speed stability is excellent, but based on the clock frequency. This is a nitpick point, in truth. Speed setting with the Nak T100 is possible within 0.1%, because the reading is weighted. I had a musician who set the speed using a tuning fork! tom brucker At 10:27 AM 7/14/06 -0400, you wrote: >Chris Mann wrote: >> Ron, Tom many thanks for your advice. >> >> Tom, you told me what I'd expected: "from the factory >> all Naks' speed was dead on". But, one thing surprised >> me: "most Japanese decks are 1 1/2% fast at a minimum, >> typically 3% fast". It shows how little I truly know >> about these decks I've been using for 30-odd years. > >A lot depends in how you define 'dead on'. I defy >anyone to adjust the trim pot to better than 15HZ >(that's within about 0.5% with a 3KHz tape) and >have it stay consistently on speed. > >> I guess most of us strive for "accuracy" in as many >> aspects of sound reproduction as we can, so why would >> anyone increase the speed of a deck from what I always >> assumed was a set-in-stone 1 7/8 ips? I also assumed >> that tape duplicating plants would run their machines >> at 1 7/8 ips - I'm starting to wonder... >> >> Time for me to be a bit controversial... I've realised >> how many variables govern the quality of tape sound, >> speed, head alignment, Dolby calibration, the list is >> long. Do CD players ever run fast or slow, and how >> would we know? > >The speed of drives in CD players is immaterial -- the >sound comes out at a speed determined by the internal >clock oscillator, that is typically accurate to within >0.01%. > >-- Ron > > >> >> If you have the kind of psyche that likes absolutes >> (as I seem to have) these kind of variations really >> are a pain... >> >> Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jul 14 20:57:57 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:57:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx doesnt record Message-ID: <31D123A6-A050-4B3B-A7F0-D17E28C59E72@alumni.caltech.edu> > this is my second 680zx ..play and other features work fine , but > when i press the rec button the light glows until i press it , > nothing else happens, no reaction in the mechanism at all .I opened > the cover and had a look first thing i saw was a blown R472 > resistor its a fail safe type resistor of 22 ohms i replaced it , > but no imporvement, other thing i noticed was some one had relplace > the R512 resistor it is a 2 ohm resistor ,but they had placed a > 10ohms resistor in its place and that too looks like a 1/2 watt > resistor ,anyway i shall replace it too. Just to make this clear for me (and anyone else--when you say "until I press it" does "it" mean the play or pause button or either (or something else)?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Jul 14 23:36:45 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:36:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals Message-ID: <44B80E6D.60909@peromarta.org> Hi, Any one has these user and / or service manual for the T-100 Audio analyzer? Thanks, and best rgds, LP. From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Jul 15 06:45:39 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:45:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals References: <44B80E6D.60909@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <000d01c6a7c9$875d46a0$25d117c4@home> Obtainable from Schaltungsdienst Lange ,Berlin.Website is convertable to English. walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals > Hi, > > Any one has these user and / or service manual for the T-100 Audio > analyzer? > > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Jul 15 01:51:03 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:51:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy Message-ID: <77B48F52-44E8-496B-A22A-69C4DD893ACB@alumni.caltech.edu> > Time for me to be a bit controversial... I've realised > how many variables govern the quality of tape sound, > speed, head alignment, Dolby calibration, the list is > long. Do CD players ever run fast or slow, and how > would we know? > Whereas digital audio reproduction doesn't (necessarily) have speed calibration issues, the number of variables isn't different in a significant way (IMHO). It's just that there are different variables; that fact has been perhaps better concealed by the marketing types.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 15 16:19:40 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:19:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals In-Reply-To: <44B80E6D.60909@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060715091940.00b4da50@pop.earthlink.net> I have the service manual. In theory I have a users manual, but I'll have to search. tom brucker At 11:36 PM 7/14/2006 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >Any one has these user and / or service manual for the T-100 Audio analyzer? > >Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 18:45:37 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060715091940.00b4da50@pop.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060715164537.29766.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have an original Provisional service manual and the User's Manual. Both are in paper form only (not electronic). SJ --- Tom Brucker wrote: > I have the service manual. In theory I have a users manual, but > I'll have > to search. > > tom brucker > > At 11:36 PM 7/14/2006 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Any one has these user and / or service manual for the T-100 Audio > analyzer? > > > >Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > A stereo can work, and it can play > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville TN 37211 > 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sendigitall at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 14:02:41 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680zx not recording In-Reply-To: <200607151002.k6FA1Xcn006589@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060715120241.62845.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com> hi the rec light glows until i press the rec button , wat i try to say is that the switch works but there is no reaction in the mechanism . All other features work well like play ,pause, cue and even RAMM. Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:57:57 -0700 From: "Kimo B. Yap" Subject: [naktalk] 680zx doesnt record To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <31D123A6-A050-4B3B-A7F0-D17E28C59E72 at alumni.caltech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > this is my second 680zx ..play and other features work fine , but > when i press the rec button the light glows until i press it , > nothing else happens, no reaction in the mechanism at all .I opened > the cover and had a look first thing i saw was a blown R472 > resistor its a fail safe type resistor of 22 ohms i replaced it , > but no imporvement, other thing i noticed was some one had relplace > the R512 resistor it is a 2 ohm resistor ,but they had placed a > 10ohms resistor in its place and that too looks like a 1/2 watt > resistor ,anyway i shall replace it too. Just to make this clear for me (and anyone else--when you say "until I press it" does "it" mean the play or pause button or either (or something else)?-kby --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sendigitall at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 16:10:09 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 07:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680zx rec engages ..but no signal In-Reply-To: <200607151002.k6FA1Xcn006589@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060716141009.55883.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> hi after cleaning the contacts of the rec protection switch ,the rec mode engages but the signal doesnt reach the rec head .I tried with line in and cal test tone also ..but none got recorded in the tape . Now wat are the things i have to check ...i tried wiggling the wires from the rec head there was a slight blip in the FL indicators then nothing happened . thanks senthil naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: BX-300E speed accuracy (Marc Denis) 2. ElectronicsCity.Com Marantz PMD502 Cassette Recorder-OT Post (jerryjg) 3. BX-300E speed accuracy (again) (Chris Mann) 4. Re: BX-300E speed accuracy (Ron) 5. Re: BX-300E speed accuracy (again) (Ron) 6. Re: BX-300E speed accuracy (Hi Tech) 7. Re: BX-300E speed accuracy (Hi Tech) 8. 680zx doesnt record (Kimo B. Yap) 9. T-100 Manuals (Luis Peromarta) 10. Re: T-100 Manuals (drewes) 11. BX-300E speed accuracy (Kimo B. Yap) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:05:32 -0400 From: Marc Denis Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060713081154.031c0e78 at pop.videotron.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed In my experience, cassette deck speed accuracy varies quite a bit over time as decks warm up. A difference of, say 0.5%, over a few minutes is more the rule than the exception. I have tested hundreds of cassette deck from different manufacturers over the years when running clinics at Nakamichi dealers. I used the T-100 analyzer and reference 3 KHz tape. Very rarely would I find a deck which was spot on the correct speed. Most were a little fast. A difference of plus or minus 1.5% was considered best left alone, especially when the customer had already built an important library of tapes. -Marc At 07:14 07/13/2006, you wrote: >Until I bought my BX-300E earlier this year, I'd lived >with an Aiwa AD-WX929 twin auto-reverse deck and never >questioned its speed accuracy. > >However, last week I decided to use the Nak to >re-record an old C-120 (recorded on the Aiwa) for >which I still had the source material. You know what's >coming.. I ran out of tape before the source stopped >playing. So, I knew the Nak was running faster than >the Aiwa. > >Because of the length of program left, I worked out >the difference was about 1.5%. I played another tape >recorded on the Aiwa and played the source CD >simultaneously (cueing that was fun...). I set the >pitch control on the Nak so that the two stayed in >sync and the speed setting corresponded to >approximately -1.2% (assuming that the speed reduces >more or less proportionately with each step on the >knob). > >So now I can adjust the pitch when I play tapes >recorded on the Aiwa. The question is - and I've >always respected Aiwa decks so I feel it's a fair >question - is the Aiwa likely be running slow or is >the Nak likely to be running fast? I have reason to >think the Nak had no work done from new until I bought >it. > >I'd be grateful to read the thoughts of anyone who has >used a BX-300 extensively or has good knowledge of it. >What I do if I have a "fast" Nak I'm not quite sure... > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:55:36 -0500 From: jerryjg Subject: [naktalk] ElectronicsCity.Com Marantz PMD502 Cassette Recorder-OT Post To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 for some of you out there who may want to grab the very last of the available stock on a serious broadcast quality and studio unit, which is now out of production, I have run across this retailer selling stock on the MArantz PMD502 deck at a reduced price of 399.00, which is pretty good I think. One other unit that is probably availble new somewhere still, and also out of production is the Denon DN720R-also a widely used proffesional tape unit.I hope someone can prosper by this knowledge. Thanks for the OT-we now return you to your regularly scheduled program program..;-) -- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:10:56 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Mann Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy (again) To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20060714111056.98523.qmail at web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ron In your reply to my first post on this subject, you mentioned a "counter" that I could use to measure the tone output by the deck playing a 3KHz test tape. Are these counters easy to get hold of? I guess they'd be like an oscilloscope... Sorry, this kind of measuring/calibration is a new thing for me. Chris ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:27:30 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <44B7A9D2.7020404 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Chris Mann wrote: > Ron, Tom many thanks for your advice. > > Tom, you told me what I'd expected: "from the factory > all Naks' speed was dead on". But, one thing surprised > me: "most Japanese decks are 1 1/2% fast at a minimum, > typically 3% fast". It shows how little I truly know > about these decks I've been using for 30-odd years. A lot depends in how you define 'dead on'. I defy anyone to adjust the trim pot to better than 15HZ (that's within about 0.5% with a 3KHz tape) and have it stay consistently on speed. > I guess most of us strive for "accuracy" in as many > aspects of sound reproduction as we can, so why would > anyone increase the speed of a deck from what I always > assumed was a set-in-stone 1 7/8 ips? I also assumed > that tape duplicating plants would run their machines > at 1 7/8 ips - I'm starting to wonder... > > Time for me to be a bit controversial... I've realised > how many variables govern the quality of tape sound, > speed, head alignment, Dolby calibration, the list is > long. Do CD players ever run fast or slow, and how > would we know? The speed of drives in CD players is immaterial -- the sound comes out at a speed determined by the internal clock oscillator, that is typically accurate to within 0.01%. -- Ron > > If you have the kind of psyche that likes absolutes > (as I seem to have) these kind of variations really > are a pain... > > Chris ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:40:03 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy (again) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <44B7ACC3.8020607 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Chris Mann wrote: > Ron > > In your reply to my first post on this subject, you > mentioned a "counter" that I could use to measure the > tone output by the deck playing a 3KHz test tape. > > Are these counters easy to get hold of? I guess they'd > be like an oscilloscope... Not anymore. Many DMMs contain a frequency counter that is well within the required accuracy for our purpose. Mine is a 3-3/4 digit Triplett (0.5% basic accuracy) that costs about $170 and will measure not just DC and AC (both average and true RMS) voltage and current, but also resistance, capacitance, inductance, temperature (probe included) and a square wave generator (specific frequencies, but quite useful all around). There are other similar models for similar prices. -- Ron Sorry, this kind of > measuring/calibration is a new thing for me. > > Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:53:36 -0500 From: Hi Tech Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060714095336.00839590 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The reason most Japanese decks are set fast is this "logic"; The human ear detect flat pitches more easily than sharp sounds, so it is wise to err on the Sharp side of the correct speed. 3% fast was almost a de facto speed setting. The other quirk is that play decks always are set faster than record decks in dual dubbig machines, for obvious reasons. Nakamichi, and the European machines Tandberg, B&O, were all at 0%. Another post recommended using a frequency counter to set speed. While this is adequate, you must set the gate time as slow as possible. Wow and drift both cause instantaneous changes in frequency. A count change of 30 is 1% speed variation. The Nakamichi T100 analyzer displays a real time weighted speed on one line and the wow on the lower line. One can easily see that bad mechanism have a lot of change on the spped line whan large amplitude wow is present on the bottom line. Fast flutter produces little change in the speed. I like the Nak T100 because you can see that a good transport will have stable speed AND only small changes in wow and flutter. BTW European speed tapes are 3150 Hz. , so be sure to use the correct frequency with the counter method. tom brucker At 10:21 AM 7/14/06 +0100, you wrote: >Ron, Tom many thanks for your advice. > >Tom, you told me what I'd expected: "from the factory >all Naks' speed was dead on". But, one thing surprised >me: "most Japanese decks are 1 1/2% fast at a minimum, >typically 3% fast". It shows how little I truly know >about these decks I've been using for 30-odd years. > >I guess most of us strive for "accuracy" in as many >aspects of sound reproduction as we can, so why would >anyone increase the speed of a deck from what I always >assumed was a set-in-stone 1 7/8 ips? I also assumed >that tape duplicating plants would run their machines >at 1 7/8 ips - I'm starting to wonder... > >Time for me to be a bit controversial... I've realised >how many variables govern the quality of tape sound, >speed, head alignment, Dolby calibration, the list is >long. Do CD players ever run fast or slow, and how >would we know? > >If you have the kind of psyche that likes absolutes >(as I seem to have) these kind of variations really >are a pain... > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:40:31 -0500 From: Hi Tech Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060714144031.0083dd20 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It is actually possible to have CDs with pitch control. Pioneer DJ cd players have this ability. CD play is locked to a local quartz clock, so the speed stability is excellent, but based on the clock frequency. This is a nitpick point, in truth. Speed setting with the Nak T100 is possible within 0.1%, because the reading is weighted. I had a musician who set the speed using a tuning fork! tom brucker At 10:27 AM 7/14/06 -0400, you wrote: >Chris Mann wrote: >> Ron, Tom many thanks for your advice. >> >> Tom, you told me what I'd expected: "from the factory >> all Naks' speed was dead on". But, one thing surprised >> me: "most Japanese decks are 1 1/2% fast at a minimum, >> typically 3% fast". It shows how little I truly know >> about these decks I've been using for 30-odd years. > >A lot depends in how you define 'dead on'. I defy >anyone to adjust the trim pot to better than 15HZ >(that's within about 0.5% with a 3KHz tape) and >have it stay consistently on speed. > >> I guess most of us strive for "accuracy" in as many >> aspects of sound reproduction as we can, so why would >> anyone increase the speed of a deck from what I always >> assumed was a set-in-stone 1 7/8 ips? I also assumed >> that tape duplicating plants would run their machines >> at 1 7/8 ips - I'm starting to wonder... >> >> Time for me to be a bit controversial... I've realised >> how many variables govern the quality of tape sound, >> speed, head alignment, Dolby calibration, the list is >> long. Do CD players ever run fast or slow, and how >> would we know? > >The speed of drives in CD players is immaterial -- the >sound comes out at a speed determined by the internal >clock oscillator, that is typically accurate to within >0.01%. > >-- Ron > > >> >> If you have the kind of psyche that likes absolutes >> (as I seem to have) these kind of variations really >> are a pain... >> >> Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:57:57 -0700 From: "Kimo B. Yap" Subject: [naktalk] 680zx doesnt record To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <31D123A6-A050-4B3B-A7F0-D17E28C59E72 at alumni.caltech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > this is my second 680zx ..play and other features work fine , but > when i press the rec button the light glows until i press it , > nothing else happens, no reaction in the mechanism at all .I opened > the cover and had a look first thing i saw was a blown R472 > resistor its a fail safe type resistor of 22 ohms i replaced it , > but no imporvement, other thing i noticed was some one had relplace > the R512 resistor it is a 2 ohm resistor ,but they had placed a > 10ohms resistor in its place and that too looks like a 1/2 watt > resistor ,anyway i shall replace it too. Just to make this clear for me (and anyone else--when you say "until I press it" does "it" mean the play or pause button or either (or something else)?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060714/fe813ae5/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:36:45 +0200 From: Luis Peromarta Subject: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <44B80E6D.60909 at peromarta.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, Any one has these user and / or service manual for the T-100 Audio analyzer? Thanks, and best rgds, LP. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:45:39 +0200 From: "drewes" Subject: Re: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <000d01c6a7c9$875d46a0$25d117c4 at home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Obtainable from Schaltungsdienst Lange ,Berlin.Website is convertable to English. walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals > Hi, > > Any one has these user and / or service manual for the T-100 Audio > analyzer? > > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:51:03 -0700 From: "Kimo B. Yap" Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E speed accuracy To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <77B48F52-44E8-496B-A22A-69C4DD893ACB at alumni.caltech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Time for me to be a bit controversial... I've realised > how many variables govern the quality of tape sound, > speed, head alignment, Dolby calibration, the list is > long. Do CD players ever run fast or slow, and how > would we know? > Whereas digital audio reproduction doesn't (necessarily) have speed calibration issues, the number of variables isn't different in a significant way (IMHO). It's just that there are different variables; that fact has been perhaps better concealed by the marketing types.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yap) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:29:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx rec engages ..but no signal Message-ID: <87BC9E36-E12B-480F-906A-25468A7BC528@alumni.caltech.edu> On your previous post, the rec light should not be on unless you are either pressing the button, or the deck is in the process of recoridng or in record-pause mode. THe only reason the record light should come on immediately on power on is if the timer switch is set to go into record on poweron (or the deck thinks the timer switch is set that way). There is a circuit that mutes the record signal except when in record or record-pause, but you also should verify whether or not the deck is doing any of the record things, like erasing the tape as well. Does something pre-recorded (obviously something you don't care abou!) get erased even if no new signal gets put on the tape?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjbleus at charter.net Sun Jul 16 23:00:20 2006 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:00:20 -0500 Subject: [Naktalk] T-100 Manuals Message-ID: <004c01c6a91a$da3ccf60$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Greetings to fellow Nakkers..... I possess the Nak T-100 Analyzer owner and service manuals in digital .djvu file format. File sizes are: Owners @ 635 mbytes Service 1 of 2 @ 1.5 mbytes Service 2 of 2 @ 850 kbytes Who's seeking the manuals? Contact me directly (off of NakTalk) to work something out. Regards, Bleus ----original message---- Today's Topics: 1. Re: T-100 Manuals (Tom Brucker) 2. Re: T-100 Manuals (Scott Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:19:40 -0500 From: Tom Brucker Subject: Re: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals I have the service manual. In theory I have a users manual, but I'll have to search. tom brucker ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:45:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals I have an original provisional service manual and the user's manual. Both are in paper form only (not electronic). SJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jul 17 01:17:12 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:17:12 +0200 Subject: [Naktalk] T-100 Manuals In-Reply-To: <004c01c6a91a$da3ccf60$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> References: <004c01c6a91a$da3ccf60$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <44BAC8F8.6060909@peromarta.org> Hi KJ, I am looking for them. The service manual you may want to email it back to me, and I can arrange an ftp server if you like to upload the 650MB Owners Manual, of if you can't make it, maybe you can put it on a cd or dvd and send them over to spain, I will paypal the expenses, of course. Thanks , and best rgds, LP. KJ Bleus wrote: > */Greetings to fellow Nakkers...../* > *//* > */I possess the Nak T-100 Analyzer owner and service manuals in digital > .djvu file format./* > *//* > */File sizes are: /* > *//* > */Owners @ 635 mbytes/* > */Service 1 of 2 @ 1.5 mbytes/* > */Service 2 of 2 @ 850 kbytes/* > *//* > */Who's seeking the manuals? Contact me directly (off of NakTalk) to > work something out./* > *//* > */Regards,/* > *//* > */Bleus/* > *//* > > ----original message---- > *//* > Today's Topics: > 1. Re: T-100 Manuals (Tom Brucker) > 2. Re: T-100 Manuals (Scott Johnson) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:19:40 -0500 > From: Tom Brucker > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals > > I have the service manual. In theory I have a users manual, > but I'll have to search. > > tom brucker > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:45:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals > > I have an original provisional service manual and the user's manual. > Both are in paper form only (not electronic). > > SJ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tomas at tlec.se Mon Jul 17 10:24:35 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:24:35 +0200 Subject: [Naktalk] T-100 Manuals In-Reply-To: <004c01c6a91a$da3ccf60$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: Me and lot of other people would be happy if you send them to me. And I'll put them on my site. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of KJ Bleus > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 11:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [Naktalk] T-100 Manuals > > Greetings to fellow Nakkers..... > > I possess the Nak T-100 Analyzer owner and service manuals in > digital .djvu file format. > > File sizes are: > > Owners @ 635 mbytes > Service 1 of 2 @ 1.5 mbytes > Service 2 of 2 @ 850 kbytes > > Who's seeking the manuals? Contact me directly (off of > NakTalk) to work something out. > > Regards, > > Bleus > > > ----original message---- > > Today's Topics: > 1. Re: T-100 Manuals (Tom Brucker) > 2. Re: T-100 Manuals (Scott Johnson) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:19:40 -0500 > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals > > I have the service manual. In theory I have a users manual, > but I'll have to search. > > tom brucker > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:45:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] T-100 Manuals > > I have an original provisional service manual and the user's manual. > Both are in paper form only (not electronic). > > SJ > > > From sendigitall at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 19:56:11 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680zx rec problem- erase check In-Reply-To: <200607171000.k6HA0KKU011597@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060717175611.54508.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> hi kimo B yap thanks for the tip ...i will check with a pre recorded or to say already recorded cassette to see if erase works. Well just now i checked with a pre recorded cassette , erase dosent work !!...even after hitting record (play+rec button) i can hear the already recorded material only, as if it was in play mode.I even tried in cal mode but nothing got erased or recorded .Wat does this "mute circuit" consist of ..is there any easly replacible components resistors or caps or is it much more complex ....thanks for ur tip again .. regards senthil Message: 1 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:29:54 -0700 From: "Kimo B. Yap" Subject: [naktalk] 680zx rec engages ..but no signal To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <87BC9E36-E12B-480F-906A-25468A7BC528 at alumni.caltech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On your previous post, the rec light should not be on unless you are either pressing the button, or the deck is in the process of recoridng or in record-pause mode. THe only reason the record light should come on immediately on power on is if the timer switch is set to go into record on poweron (or the deck thinks the timer switch is set that way). There is a circuit that mutes the record signal except when in record or record-pause, but you also should verify whether or not the deck is doing any of the record things, like erasing the tape as well. Does something pre-recorded (obviously something you don't care abou!) get erased even if no new signal gets put on the tape?-kby - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 06:47:25 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680zx rec problem- erase check In-Reply-To: <20060717175611.54508.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060718044725.79199.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like it's probably the bias oscillator. Failure of that circuit will cause erase to not work and record to lay down a very very faint audio track. Replace the orange caps and the transistors in the bias oscillator circuit. SJ --- senthil nathan wrote: > hi kimo B yap > thanks for the tip ...i will check with a pre > recorded or to say already recorded cassette to see if erase works. > Well just now i checked with a > pre recorded cassette , erase dosent work !!...even after hitting > record (play+rec button) i can hear the already recorded material > only, as if it was in play mode.I even tried in cal mode > but nothing got erased or recorded .Wat does this "mute circuit" > consist of ..is there any easly replacible components resistors or > caps or is it much more complex ....thanks for ur tip again .. > > regards > senthil > > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:29:54 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] 680zx rec engages ..but no signal > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <87BC9E36-E12B-480F-906A-25468A7BC528 at alumni.caltech.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On your previous post, the rec light should not be on unless you > are > either pressing the button, or the > deck is in the process of recoridng or in record-pause mode. THe > only > reason the record light should > come on immediately on power on is if the timer switch is set to go > into record on poweron (or the deck thinks > the timer switch is set that way). > > There is a circuit that mutes the record signal except when in > record > or record-pause, but you also should verify whether or not > the deck is doing any of the record things, like erasing the tape > as > well. Does something pre-recorded (obviously something > you don't care abou!) get erased even if no new signal gets put on > the tape?-kby > > > - > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > Great rates starting at 1¢/min.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Jul 18 07:38:14 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:38:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks Message-ID: <001401c6aa2c$5ee92b20$22d117c4@home> This is getting beyond the realms of reality! My third tko from eBay Trust in 3 weeks(wherein eBay Trust advise you that the seller's account has been compromised and your bid has been cancelled).It seems that this business of usurpers taken over some innocent eBay sellers account and selling their ware through it is getting out of hand.I only chose sellers that looked genuine and had lots of feedback in those three instances.The lesson is 1)do not bid on any high value item 2) if any picture or similar discription appears in a lot as is offered from a different locality--dont participate3) if a listing or duplicate listiing is from China dont bother.(the duplicate listings however very often appear only after the original listing has come and gone and one is thus not aware of it.) I dont see how eBay with the millions of entries can stop this without utilising very unpopular and strongarm measures.Imagine the manhours that have to be spent otherwise to eliminate item for item checks! This is a pity as eBay was a very handy and convenient method of buying and selling items efficiently! No more Nakamichi on eBay for me! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Jul 17 22:14:36 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:14:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680zx rec problem- GET A SERVICE MANUAL FIRST!! Message-ID: <481.60e0836.31ed49ac@aol.com> Hi There! A friendly advice! get a service manual for it first and study the record circuit chain looks like there is a electronic switch( this electronic switch can be a switching transistor, diode, or is associated components like a resistor or capacitaor that might have opened and not allowing the electronic record switch to complete the circuit to allow the signal to be recorded either from the cal or fron the line level inputs. If the rec light comes and them pressing the play makes the machine seems like it recording then we know! that aleast the rec mechanical switch that get pressed in when you place the cassette with rec tabs on the cassette in place in the cassette well is working! This switch is located on the most deck on the top part of the cassette well. Ask someone in the naktalk if they can sen you a service manual or get one on the web I think there is a place by name of www.servicemanuals.com that sell both downloadable as well as paper manuals for many Nakamichi cassette deck . Also get hold of ron, he is the tech guy! who helped me a lot with fixing my Nakamichi looks like he is on vacation otherwise he might have answered you. ABOVE ALL GET A SERVICE MANUAL ! AND DONT DO ANYTING TO THE MACHINE UNLESS U KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING OTHERWISE YOU CAN CAUSE MORE HARM THEN GOOD! Hope this helps you! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tomas at tlec.se Tue Jul 18 11:09:57 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:09:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR1 For sale Message-ID: There is a CR1 for sale in Sweden, current price is about $13:-, auction ends the 20th With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From greynolds at newsguy.com Tue Jul 18 13:59:12 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:59:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks References: <001401c6aa2c$5ee92b20$22d117c4@home> Message-ID: <002a01c6aa61$9b151e80$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Well, if I were you I'd be very thankful that the only problem you've had is that eBay has cancelled your bids and shut down the auction. That's far less to worry about than sending money and receiving nothing in return. I'm not so sure I agree on your first point (do not bid on any high value item). What one has to do is be careful. On a high value item, read the description very carefully. Send the seller a question or 2 and read their response carefully. If you get no response from the seller do not bid on the item. Check feedback and make sure there are very few or preferably no negative feedbacks. Keep in mind that people will leave negative feedback in retaliation for a non paying bidder negative feedback (this happened to me and is my 1 negative feedback) and other stupid reasons, so if there are negative feedbacks give the seller a chance and read the comments. A feedback percentage lower than around 99.3% should be considered a red flag. I'm especially careful about bidding on auctions that are outside my country (USA) as there is much less recourse to resolve any problems and as you suggest there do seem to be a lot of auctions from China that seem shady at best. Another thing to watch for is pictures and descriptions taken from other auctions, ESPECIALLY for high ticket items. If I'm bidding on something I want to see pictures of the actual item I'm going to receive, especially when the item is rare and/or expensive. Pictures taken from another auction obviously raise the red flag of whether the item you're bidding on actually exists. Unfortunately, this is somewhat difficult to watch for unless you've been following the item you're interested in on the eBay market for a while - use the eBay search feature to look at completed auctions (this will only go back around 30 days, but it's better than nothing). Bottom line is - if something doesn't feel right about the auction then walk away. There'll be another one sooner or later. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "drewes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks This is getting beyond the realms of reality! My third tko from eBay Trust in 3 weeks(wherein eBay Trust advise you that the seller's account has been compromised and your bid has been cancelled).It seems that this business of usurpers taken over some innocent eBay sellers account and selling their ware through it is getting out of hand.I only chose sellers that looked genuine and had lots of feedback in those three instances.The lesson is 1)do not bid on any high value item 2) if any picture or similar discription appears in a lot as is offered from a different locality--dont participate3) if a listing or duplicate listiing is from China dont bother.(the duplicate listings however very often appear only after the original listing has come and gone and one is thus not aware of it.) I dont see how eBay with the millions of entries can stop this without utilising very unpopular and strongarm measures.Imagine the manhours that have to be spent otherwise to eliminate item for item checks! This is a pity as eBay was a very handy and convenient method of buying and selling items efficiently! No more Nakamichi on eBay for me! Walter From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jul 18 15:02:00 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:02:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: <002a01c6aa61$9b151e80$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> References: <001401c6aa2c$5ee92b20$22d117c4@home> <002a01c6aa61$9b151e80$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: <44BCDBC8.1050606@rcn.com> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > Well, if I were you I'd be very thankful that the only problem you've > had is that eBay has cancelled your bids and shut down the auction. > That's far less to worry about than sending money and receiving nothing > in return. > > I'm not so sure I agree on your first point (do not bid on any high > value item). What one has to do is be careful. So what you are advocating is that one take a risk, fully knowing a risk exists, but truing to minimize it? > On a high value item, read the description very carefully. What good will this do? If the the seller is a scammer, the description is meaningless, no matter how carefully one reads it. For example, I was taken by a scammer right here on NakTalk, by someone that described the deck as 'pristine', while, in truth, it was in no more than fair shape and cosmetic parts were actually missing. > Send the seller a question or 2 and read their response carefully. Same comment as above. If the scammer brazenly lies, what good will careful reading do? Pictures? Same comment. A friend of mine bought a Heathkit receiver on strength of a nice picture, only to discover the badly damaged side was hidden in the picture... > If you get no response from the seller do not bid on the item. But scammers respond freely. > Check feedback and make sure there are very few or preferably > no negative feedbacks. What good does this do if the scammer is using someone else's account? > Keep in mind that people > will leave negative feedback in retaliation for a non paying bidder > negative feedback (this happened to me and is my 1 negative feedback) True. My only negative FB was from a retaliating scammer after I posted a complaint with ebay. The scumbag was stupid enough to actually state so -- no matter, people do not read the FB, they just note that it's not 100%. BTW, ebay wanted $20 to even deal with my request to remove the negative FB. Don't anyone tell me they want to clean up their lucrative business by honest acts. -- Ron > and other stupid reasons, so if there are negative feedbacks give the > seller a chance and read the comments. A feedback percentage lower than > around 99.3% should be considered a red flag. I'm especially careful > about bidding on auctions that are outside my country (USA) as there is > much less recourse to resolve any problems and as you suggest there do > seem to be a lot of auctions from China that seem shady at best. > > Another thing to watch for is pictures and descriptions taken from other > auctions, ESPECIALLY for high ticket items. If I'm bidding on something > I want to see pictures of the actual item I'm going to receive, > especially when the item is rare and/or expensive. Pictures taken from > another auction obviously raise the red flag of whether the item you're > bidding on actually exists. Unfortunately, this is somewhat difficult > to watch for unless you've been following the item you're interested in > on the eBay market for a while - use the eBay search feature to look at > completed auctions (this will only go back around 30 days, but it's > better than nothing). > > Bottom line is - if something doesn't feel right about the auction then > walk away. There'll be another one sooner or later. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "drewes" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:38 AM > Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks > > > This is getting beyond the realms of reality! My third tko from eBay > Trust in 3 weeks(wherein eBay Trust advise you that the seller's account > has been compromised and your bid has been cancelled).It seems that this > business of usurpers taken over some innocent eBay sellers account and > selling their ware through it is getting out of hand.I only chose > sellers that looked genuine and had lots of feedback in those three > instances.The lesson is 1)do not bid on any high value item 2) if any > picture or similar discription appears in a lot as is offered from a > different locality--dont participate3) if a listing or duplicate > listiing is from China dont bother.(the duplicate listings however very > often appear only after the original listing has come and gone and one > is thus not aware of it.) > I dont see how eBay with the millions of entries can stop this without > utilising very unpopular and strongarm measures.Imagine the manhours > that have to be spent otherwise to eliminate item for item checks! > This is a pity as eBay was a very handy and convenient method of buying > and selling items efficiently! > No more Nakamichi on eBay for me! > Walter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 18 16:56:51 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:56:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: <001401c6aa2c$5ee92b20$22d117c4@home> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060718095651.00834790@earthlink.net> Walter, EBay knows more about the scammers than we do. You have bid on what you felt were trustworthy sellers, but eBay has found otherwise. I give eBay credit for being smarter than I am. The gold 1000ZXL has appeared again as a non-auction buy-it-now, but you have to read the fine print to see that it is not an auction. Could this be the unit discussed 2 weeks ago? Is this too a scam? If the items you seek are Nak related, why not post your desires on Naktalk? I will soon have a ZX9 for consignment sale (not the "donor" machine but a local one belonging to a starving musician). tom brucker At 07:38 AM 7/18/06 +0200, you wrote: >>>> This is getting beyond the realms of reality! My third tko from eBay Trust in 3 weeks(wherein eBay Trust advise you that the seller's account has been compromised and your bid has been cancelled).It seems that this business of usurpers taken over some innocent eBay sellers account and selling their ware through it is getting out of hand.I only chose sellers that looked genuine and had lots of feedback in those three instances.The lesson is 1)do not bid on any high value item 2) if any picture or similar discription appears in a lot as is offered from a different locality--dont participate3) if a listing or duplicate listiing is from China dont bother.(the duplicate listings however very often appear only after the original listing has come and gone and one is thus not aware of it.) I dont see how eBay with the millions of entries can stop this without utilising very unpopular and strongarm measures.Imagine the manhours that have to be spent otherwise to eliminate item for item checks! This is a pity as eBay was a very handy and convenient method of buying and selling items efficiently! No more Nakamichi on eBay for me! Walter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From sendigitall at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 19:47:16 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680zx rec problem In-Reply-To: <200607181002.k6IA1cix017783@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060718174716.63656.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> hi ali thanks for the friendly advice...i have the service manual , downloaded it from tomas larson's site ....anyway i replace few blown fail safe resistors with the help of the manual which made the deck run .....even then rec didnt engage, i cleaned the rec protect switch and that also works now ....the major problem is no erase and signal recorded !! There are other minor problems like static due to dust in the front panel VRs. Anyway iam waiting for all the PRO guys advice... thanks senthil Message: 4 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:14:36 EDT From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680zx rec problem- GET A SERVICE MANUAL FIRST!! To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <481.60e0836.31ed49ac at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi There! A friendly advice! get a service manual for it first and study the record circuit chain looks like there is a electronic switch( this electronic switch can be a switching transistor, diode, or is associated components like a resistor or capacitaor that might have opened and not allowing the electronic record switch to complete the circuit to allow the signal to be recorded either from the cal or fron the line level inputs. If the rec light comes and them pressing the play makes the machine seems like it recording then we know! that aleast the rec mechanical switch that get pressed in when you place the cassette with rec tabs on the cassette in place in the cassette well is working! This switch is located on the most deck on the top part of the cassette well. Ask someone in the naktalk if they can sen you a service manual or get one on the web I think there is a place by name of www.servicemanuals.com that sell both downloadable as well as paper manuals for many Nakamichi cassette deck . Also get hold of ron, he is the tech guy! who helped me a lot with fixing my Nakamichi looks like he is on vacation otherwise he might have answered you. ABOVE ALL GET A SERVICE MANUAL ! AND DONT DO ANYTING TO THE MACHINE UNLESS U KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING OTHERWISE YOU CAN CAUSE MORE HARM THEN GOOD! Hope this helps you! With Best Regards! Ali --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Tue Jul 18 21:28:59 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:28:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks References: <001401c6aa2c$5ee92b20$22d117c4@home><002a01c6aa61$9b151e80$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <44BCDBC8.1050606@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002801c6aaa0$707912f0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "Ron" There's a ton of negativity here about ebay. Let's not lose sight of the fact that the vast majority of transactions on ebay go smoothly. > So what you are advocating is that one take a risk, > fully knowing a risk exists, but truing to minimize > it? Well yeah. I take a risk every time I get in my car and drive to work (especially driving through the Big Dig tunnels to get to my job in Boston given what's been going on lately). If one isn't willing to take any risk, life isn't going to be very interesting. >> On a high value item, read the description very carefully. > > What good will this do? If the the seller is a scammer, > the description is meaningless, no matter how carefully > one reads it. For example, I was taken by a scammer right > here on NakTalk, by someone that described the deck as > 'pristine', while, in truth, it was in no more than fair > shape and cosmetic parts were actually missing. I've found that by reading things carefully you can often figure out that something just doesn't seem right. I can't give step by step instructions on how to determine this - it's just one step to take. >> Send the seller a question or 2 and read their response carefully. > > Same comment as above. If the scammer brazenly lies, > what good will careful reading do? Pictures? Same > comment. A friend of mine bought a Heathkit receiver > on strength of a nice picture, only to discover the > badly damaged side was hidden in the picture... Questions and pictures can go hand in hand. If the seller is showing the face and 1 side but not the other, request a picture of the missing side. The scammer either won't be able to comply (doesn't have the item) or won't want to (doesn't want you to see the damage) while the legitimate seller will post another picture showing the other side. Ask questions to qualify what pristine means - ask specifically if there are any cosmetic flaws at all. This isn't only to deal with outright scammers (those who take your money and run), but those who simply don't do a good job describing condition. Each buyer has to decide what his/her threshold is in being confident that the auction is worth the risk because every auction has some amount of risk associated with it - even when the seller is you or me. >> If you get no response from the seller do not bid on the item. > > But scammers respond freely. Well, if you choose your questions carefully, they might not (such as asking for a picture they have no way of providing unless they actually have the item). >> Check feedback and make sure there are very few or preferably >> no negative feedbacks. > > What good does this do if the scammer is using someone > else's account? Again, it's just another thing to keep in mind. Keep in mind that the poster I replied to was sort of complaining about eBay cancelling auctions that were put up by scammers (obviously he was complaining about the fact that the scammers exist). In this case, eBay obviously did the right thing and the guy wasn't out any money - hardly something to worry all that much about. > BTW, ebay wanted $20 to even deal with my request to > remove the negative FB. Don't anyone tell me they want > to clean up their lucrative business by honest acts. Personally I wouldn't get all that upset over 1 negative feedback. Anyone with a clue who's buying stuff on eBay realizes that it's nearly impossible to have 100% positive feedback no matter how careful you are. I have a hunch eBay is actually doing a lot more than we realize to deal with scams - remember these scams aren't good for their business so it behooves them to try to keep it to a minimum. Think about all the spam mail that comes along - it's virtually impossible to filter it all out and I suspect eBay is running into a similar problem. At the same time, their number 1 priority is making money, not keeping every user happy (I'm not saying that's a good thing, it's just how it is). I've gotten some good deals from people with what would appear to be less than stellar feedback by reading the feedback and determining that it was retaliation feedback or the seller might have had some sort of problem with email and was unable to communicate with people, etc. I wouldn't take a chance like that on an item I'm paying big bucks for, but do keep an eye out for situations like that. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From BOEING747600 at aol.com Tue Jul 18 22:10:04 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:10:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX 9 starving musican Message-ID: <48a.62350f6.31ee9a1c@aol.com> Hi Ton, Let me know how much your musican fan wants for the ZX 9 and what kind of shape it in. I might be very interested if the price is right! Always wanted a ZX 9 as pretty much I have owned just about all top of the line Nakamachi except 1000zxl and 1000 . Many Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jul 18 22:59:43 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:59:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx rec problem- erase check Message-ID: <2B57CB65-609D-4D14-9070-B9C86A9197EE@alumni.caltech.edu> > Sounds like it's probably the bias oscillator. Failure of that > circuit will cause erase to not work and record to lay down a very > very faint audio track. Replace the orange caps and the transistors > in the bias oscillator circuit. This is known as a common potential problem, although I have to admit in my experience I haven't run across it. I also don't remember if the 680zx has separate bias and erase oscillators (like the 700zxl and 1000zxl); if that is the case then it's more than one thing that failed. It's not all of this problem, but Tom Brucker also helped me with my 680zx by mentioning that the "stop" light working is critical--if that is burned out I think record at least is faint, although erase I think works. You might want to make sure the "stop" button does light. I ended up playing musical bulbs (still waiting for a bulb reference from Tom...hint...hint...) I am not sure but one of the cassette well & counter illumination lights MIGHT also need to be OK (doesn't have to be both as I know the counter is out for me). You might want to look for posts by me (and more importantly the responses thereto) of the past month or so on getting my 680zx to work. I had similar issues, although, of course, the causes may be different. > Hi There! A friendly advice! get a service manual for it Whereas this is always a good idea (and I wish I had a better one), it is possible to do this w/o at least a good one. I think there is an "adequate" (defined as at least as good as I had) .pdf on Tomas' site and/or Wouter has one. That would allow you to kind of locate things and get an overall picture. If you are not particularly good at reading schematics (which is my case--not schematic illiterate but far from fluent), a really good one, while nice, isn't always as much more helpful as you might think. Things like the lights mentioned above are not easy to discern from the schemo unless you're decently good at reading it or know from experience (or someone else's experience). It's still possible to fix with rudimentary schemo-reading skills, but it takes a lot of advice, a deductive mind, and a lot of patience. Other than the bias oscillator things mentioned there (there are some but far from enough voltage callouts on the schemo), I would make sure the switching transitor for the record switch changes state as expected when putting the deck into "record" mode. If that is correct, then I would guess it is more likely the bias oscillator mentioned by Scott (assuming both the bias and erase oscillators are the same). The switching transistor for record mode is on the logic board (the biggest one, but I don't recall the reference at the moment.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jul 19 00:24:12 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:24:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks Message-ID: <811E5505-D05D-48C9-842F-4AF3E4D9548F@alumni.caltech.edu> > > So what you are advocating is that one take a risk, > > fully knowing a risk exists, but truing to minimize > > it? > > Well yeah. I take a risk every time I get in my car and drive to work > (especially driving through the Big Dig tunnels to get to my job in > Boston > given what's been going on lately). If one isn't willing to take > any risk, > life isn't going to be very interesting. Like any other financial transaction, there's risk and reward. Only you can decide how much risk the reward is worth to YOU. Whereas a seller with a high percentage of negative feedback is a risk, there are many reasons even for that. If they only have sold 10 items, then 1 hit (retaliatory or otherwise) puts them at 90%. Other other hand, some ebay seller with 10000 things and 100 hits on his last 100 auctions, probably is a bigger risk of a hacked account. So, in addition to the percentage and/or number, is all the negative stuff recent, or has it been a few years and they were all early). Has the guy been a stellar seller but was a flaky buyer in the past? Not that these still aren't at least, say, yellow flags, but they do help you evaluate the risk. Geoff's points are all good. Whereas a scammer can always fake it (answer e-mails, etc.) more often than not they won't bother (easier fish to fry), or, more important, won't be consistent with something you can check independently. Ask for the serial number, for example. Sure, they could fake it, but many won't bother. Or ask if it's supposedly in the picture, ask if it's "xxxx" when it clearly (at least to you isn't. Or, if it's been seen, out and out ask about this. Or ask the previous seller if it was up just recently. It's true none of this is 100% iron-clad. With most items, you really should be watching them for a while (longer is better) before bidding anything you aren't willing to lose. The best bargains are with things that are poorly described, sellers with bad feedback, etc. so the risks are definitely greater. Rare, but not unheard of, is the "cream puff" that has a low BIN because the person just has to get rid of it. If it looks too good to be true, most of the time it is. Following things you want for a while (1) gives you an idea what you should expect to pay--you'll feel better in the final transaction if it's within your expectations, The best bargains are also if you can wait. Generally you are more likely to be had or overpay if you really want it NOW. Whereas I know ebay could do a lot more, they will never get it compeletely free of scammers. "It's impossible to make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious" applies here both on the seller and buyer sides! -kby ps. I left MA before the big dig, but I did drive daily for 4.5 years while in grad school through the Fresh Pond Parkway and other rotaries where Storrow & Memorial drives and Rt. 2 meet up. I'm not sure if that's riskier than the ceiling tile in the Big Dig. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Wed Jul 19 04:14:21 2006 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:14:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 help Message-ID: <8C878F02E664F7F-5FC-18A10@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> Greetings all! I am a new member of the list and have a couple of questions. First, does anyone have a service manual for the 680? Not the ZX. I have the manual for the 680ZX already and yes, I know they are nearly identical except for the auto azimuth. Unfortunately, I need a part number for the Record Head manual adjustment knob and that's one of the few parts the 680ZX manual does not cover. Anyone know if this part is available anywhere? I may end up making my own if not. Second question. I'm sure this has been posted before but I have heard that the grease and oil for the transport mechanism is commonly available. White lithium grease and 3 in 1 machine oil? I'm trying to restore this 680 to nearly new, including cap replacement. In my tests of it so far, I have noticed a lot of electrical noise (hum) when monitoring the tape. It does not do this when monitoring from source. Any ideas? And finally, what test tapes are truly esential providing I do not mess with any of the heads adjustment? I have basic electronic test gear like a good multimeter, freq. counter, etc. Thanks so much in advance, I'm learning quite a bit about these fine classics from this forum in the short time I have been subscribing to it. Dan Barham Chicago, Illinois ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 19 01:44:35 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:44:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: <002801c6aaa0$707912f0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Geoffrey Reynolds Sent: 18 July 2006 20:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks I have a hunch eBay is actually doing a lot more than we realize to deal with scams - remember these scams aren't good for their business so it behooves them to try to keep it to a minimum. Think about all the spam mail that comes along - it's virtually impossible to filter it all out and I suspect eBay is running into a similar problem. At the same time, their number 1 priority is making money, not keeping every user happy (I'm not saying that's a good thing, it's just how it is). Graham responds: I think you raise some fair points Geoffrey. I too have had very few problems with buying (or selling) on eBay. Certainly no more that I expect from dealing with tradesmen coming to fix my door/pipes/windows/etc!! I also agree eBay is PROBABLY doing a lot about the crooks that we are not aware of. They may, however, be handling more than they can economically deal with ... and prioritising case to choose which to follow up and which to leave aside. After all, that is also precisely what the Police have to do, and THEY are not in their game for a profit. Nevertheless, they have budgets that they have to work to and if trying to solve every crime would mean exceeding those budgets then some crimes are just not followed up. It has to be the same for eBay, and even harder because their shareholders WILL be wanting a return on their investment, which means eBay must make a profit. Nevertheless, like all service industries, eBay must also be aware that high levels of over all customer satisfaction are essential for keeping customers loyal. eBay isn't the only market place "in town" and if enough customers were unhappy with it, they could be easily knocked off their perch by the eBay pretenders, like QXL. However, since that has not happened, and since the eBay community seems to be growing one must conclude there IS an overall high level of satisfaction with their service. Gra' From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jul 19 06:57:46 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:57:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx rec problem- erase check Message-ID: <8E7F97ED-0318-450F-9FB2-303F84E6EE38@alumni.caltech.edu> I'm far from one of the experts, so feel free to ignore me if someone more expert than I says it doesn't make sense. After checking the bulbs, but before going to figure out what is wrong in the bias oscillator (and it appears that the 680zx does have a single bias/erase oscillator), I'd measure the (DC) voltage relative to ground at pin 11 on the main PCB (that's not the biggest one; it's the one on the bottom but on the side by the meter, not the side by the cassette well) when the machine is in record-pause (or record, but r-p is easier), and stop (or anything other than record or record-pause). If I read and remember correctly (not always a good bet), then it should be high in stop and low in record/record-pause. "High" is something around +10 and "Low" is around 0 (or thereabouts). If that isn't the case, then you need to do some other checks before going on to the bias oscillator. That is the input signal that tells the oscillator to turn on.-kby From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Jul 19 14:33:39 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:33:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks References: <811E5505-D05D-48C9-842F-4AF3E4D9548F@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <003101c6ab2f$93978070$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "Kimo B. Yap" > ps. I left MA before the big dig, but I did drive daily for 4.5 years > while in grad school through the Fresh Pond > Parkway and other rotaries where Storrow & Memorial drives and Rt. 2 > meet up. I'm not sure if that's > riskier than the ceiling tile in the Big Dig. Before the big dig, I had been going in via Rt 2 and through Fresh Pond, etc. - that could be an interesting ride at times. It's a close call, but I think I'm a bit more concerned about me and/or my car getting crushed by a 3 ton suspended ceiling tile :( (who designs this crap anyway???). -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 19 16:14:25 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:14:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: <002801c6aaa0$707912f0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> References: <001401c6aa2c$5ee92b20$22d117c4@home><002a01c6aa61$9b151e80$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <44BCDBC8.1050606@rcn.com> <002801c6aaa0$707912f0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: <44BE3E41.2090400@rcn.com> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: "Ron" > > There's a ton of negativity here about ebay. And, IME, it's all well justified. > Let's not lose sight of > the fact that the vast majority of transactions on ebay go smoothly. 'Vast' is non mathematical... I think scams are roughly 25%... >> So what you are advocating is that one take a risk, >> fully knowing a risk exists, but truing to minimize >> it? > > Well yeah. I take a risk every time I get in my car and drive to work > (especially driving through the Big Dig tunnels to get to my job in > Boston given what's been going on lately). If one isn't willing to take > any risk, life isn't going to be very interesting. Yea, but the ebay risk is not like getting in your car to drive to work, It's more like the risk of getting wet when you go out in the rain. >>> On a high value item, read the description very carefully. >> >> What good will this do? If the the seller is a scammer, >> the description is meaningless, no matter how carefully >> one reads it. For example, I was taken by a scammer right >> here on NakTalk, by someone that described the deck as >> 'pristine', while, in truth, it was in no more than fair >> shape and cosmetic parts were actually missing. > > I've found that by reading things carefully you can often figure out > that something just doesn't seem right. I can't give step by step > instructions on how to determine this - it's just one step to take. Well, I have found this to be useless. Scammers lie like a top -- it's what they do. >>> Send the seller a question or 2 and read their response carefully. >> >> Same comment as above. If the scammer brazenly lies, >> what good will careful reading do? Pictures? Same >> comment. A friend of mine bought a Heathkit receiver >> on strength of a nice picture, only to discover the >> badly damaged side was hidden in the picture... > > Questions and pictures can go hand in hand. If the seller is showing > the face and 1 side but not the other, request a picture of the missing > side. The scammer either won't be able to comply (doesn't have the item) > or won't want to (doesn't want you to see the damage) while the > legitimate seller will post another picture showing the other side. Ask > questions to qualify what pristine means - ask specifically if there are > any cosmetic flaws at all. This isn't only to deal with outright > scammers (those who take your money and run), but those who simply don't > do a good job describing condition. Each buyer has to decide what > his/her threshold is in being confident that the auction is worth the > risk because every auction has some amount of risk associated with it - > even when the seller is you or me. I agree. And nowadays, my threshold is the ability to see -- and examine as needed -- the item *before* I pay. This limits my ability to buy on ebay to a tiny fraction of the offerings, which is fine with me, seeing that it definitely weeds out all the scams. >>> If you get no response from the seller do not bid on the item. >> >> But scammers respond freely. > > Well, if you choose your questions carefully, they might not (such as > asking for a picture they have no way of providing unless they actually > have the item). Well, the picture doesn't really protect you. In one case, a seller actually did provide an additional picture, then pocketed my $17.50 and never shipped. Two morals to that one: first, scammers will degrade themselves for any amount of money, no matter how small; and, second, they are willing to work hard for it. I suspect the scammer, in that case, didn't feel he was degrading himself, he imagined he was smart! BTW, another supposed safeguard (paying with a bank check marked 'for deposit only') proved itself useless (twice). Banks won't exactly go out of their way to help you catch the criminal. >>> Check feedback and make sure there are very few or preferably >>> no negative feedbacks. >> >> What good does this do if the scammer is using someone >> else's account? > > Again, it's just another thing to keep in mind. Keep in mind that the > poster I replied to was sort of complaining about eBay cancelling > auctions that were put up by scammers (obviously he was complaining > about the fact that the scammers exist). In this case, eBay obviously > did the right thing and the guy wasn't out any money - hardly something > to worry all that much about. > >> BTW, ebay wanted $20 to even deal with my request to >> remove the negative FB. Don't anyone tell me they want >> to clean up their lucrative business by honest acts. > > Personally I wouldn't get all that upset over 1 negative feedback. > Anyone with a clue who's buying stuff on eBay realizes that it's nearly > impossible to have 100% positive feedback no matter how careful you > are. Oh, to be sure. It's just another indication that ebay themselves are not above reproach. -- Ron > I have a hunch eBay is actually doing a lot more than we realize > to deal with scams - remember these scams aren't good for their business > so it behooves them to try to keep it to a minimum. Think about all the > spam mail that comes along - it's virtually impossible to filter it all > out and I suspect eBay is running into a similar problem. At the same > time, their number 1 priority is making money, not keeping every user > happy (I'm not saying that's a good thing, it's just how it is). > > I've gotten some good deals from people with what would appear to be > less than stellar feedback by reading the feedback and determining that > it was retaliation feedback or the seller might have had some sort of > problem with email and was unable to communicate with people, etc. I > wouldn't take a chance like that on an item I'm paying big bucks for, > but do keep an eye out for situations like that. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 19 16:29:04 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:29:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: <003101c6ab2f$93978070$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> References: <811E5505-D05D-48C9-842F-4AF3E4D9548F@alumni.caltech.edu> <003101c6ab2f$93978070$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: <44BE41B0.4030108@rcn.com> I used to drive through the Freshpond area for several years, daily. The only risk I recall were the traffic jams during the rush hour. I drove through the Pike and 128 at least twice a day -- again for many years. Can't recall a single mishap. As to the suspended ceiling tiles, I understand the problem wasn't in the design, but in the execution, Screws too short, crummy concrete, etc. -- Ron Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > >> ps. I left MA before the big dig, but I did drive daily for 4.5 years >> while in grad school through the Fresh Pond >> Parkway and other rotaries where Storrow & Memorial drives and Rt. 2 >> meet up. I'm not sure if that's >> riskier than the ceiling tile in the Big Dig. > Before the big dig, I had been going in via Rt 2 and through Fresh Pond, > etc. - that could be an interesting ride at times. It's a close call, > but I think I'm a bit more concerned about me and/or my car getting > crushed by a 3 ton suspended ceiling tile :( (who designs this crap > anyway???). > > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Jul 19 17:09:24 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:09:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks References: <001401c6aa2c$5ee92b20$22d117c4@home><002a01c6aa61$9b151e80$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <44BCDBC8.1050606@rcn.com><002801c6aaa0$707912f0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <44BE3E41.2090400@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001001c6ab45$55a493a0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Ron, The solution to your fear of eBay is to not use it. The rest of us will calculate our own threshold for risk and choose to live a little. Good grief. Do you have actual data to back up your claim that scams are roughly 25%? Sounds like a lot of FUD to me. My personal experience (I've had a few unpleasant experiences but the vast majority of my transactions have gone smoothly) and the fact that eBay continues to grow seem to contradict your claims - if scams were anywhere close to 25%, eBay would go out of business pretty quickly, dontcha think? -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks > Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: >> From: "Ron" >> >> There's a ton of negativity here about ebay. > > And, IME, it's all well justified. > >> Let's not lose sight of the fact that the vast majority of transactions >> on ebay go smoothly. > > 'Vast' is non mathematical... I think scams are roughly > 25%... > >>> So what you are advocating is that one take a risk, >>> fully knowing a risk exists, but truing to minimize >>> it? >> >> Well yeah. I take a risk every time I get in my car and drive to work >> (especially driving through the Big Dig tunnels to get to my job in >> Boston given what's been going on lately). If one isn't willing to take >> any risk, life isn't going to be very interesting. > > Yea, but the ebay risk is not like getting in your car > to drive to work, It's more like the risk of getting > wet when you go out in the rain. > >>>> On a high value item, read the description very carefully. >>> >>> What good will this do? If the the seller is a scammer, >>> the description is meaningless, no matter how carefully >>> one reads it. For example, I was taken by a scammer right >>> here on NakTalk, by someone that described the deck as >>> 'pristine', while, in truth, it was in no more than fair >>> shape and cosmetic parts were actually missing. >> >> I've found that by reading things carefully you can often figure out that >> something just doesn't seem right. I can't give step by step >> instructions on how to determine this - it's just one step to take. > > Well, I have found this to be useless. Scammers lie > like a top -- it's what they do. > >>>> Send the seller a question or 2 and read their response carefully. >>> >>> Same comment as above. If the scammer brazenly lies, >>> what good will careful reading do? Pictures? Same >>> comment. A friend of mine bought a Heathkit receiver >>> on strength of a nice picture, only to discover the >>> badly damaged side was hidden in the picture... >> >> Questions and pictures can go hand in hand. If the seller is showing the >> face and 1 side but not the other, request a picture of the missing side. >> The scammer either won't be able to comply (doesn't have the item) or >> won't want to (doesn't want you to see the damage) while the legitimate >> seller will post another picture showing the other side. Ask questions >> to qualify what pristine means - ask specifically if there are any >> cosmetic flaws at all. This isn't only to deal with outright scammers >> (those who take your money and run), but those who simply don't do a good >> job describing condition. Each buyer has to decide what his/her >> threshold is in being confident that the auction is worth the risk >> because every auction has some amount of risk associated with it - even >> when the seller is you or me. > > I agree. And nowadays, my threshold is the ability to see > -- and examine as needed -- the item *before* I pay. This > limits my ability to buy on ebay to a tiny fraction of the > offerings, which is fine with me, seeing that it definitely > weeds out all the scams. > >>>> If you get no response from the seller do not bid on the item. >>> >>> But scammers respond freely. >> >> Well, if you choose your questions carefully, they might not (such as >> asking for a picture they have no way of providing unless they actually >> have the item). > > Well, the picture doesn't really protect you. In one case, > a seller actually did provide an additional picture, then > pocketed my $17.50 and never shipped. Two morals to that > one: first, scammers will degrade themselves for any amount > of money, no matter how small; and, second, they are willing > to work hard for it. I suspect the scammer, in that case, > didn't feel he was degrading himself, he imagined he was > smart! > > BTW, another supposed safeguard (paying with a bank check > marked 'for deposit only') proved itself useless (twice). > Banks won't exactly go out of their way to help you catch > the criminal. > >>>> Check feedback and make sure there are very few or preferably >>>> no negative feedbacks. >>> >>> What good does this do if the scammer is using someone >>> else's account? >> >> Again, it's just another thing to keep in mind. Keep in mind that the >> poster I replied to was sort of complaining about eBay cancelling >> auctions that were put up by scammers (obviously he was complaining about >> the fact that the scammers exist). In this case, eBay obviously did the >> right thing and the guy wasn't out any money - hardly something to worry >> all that much about. >> >>> BTW, ebay wanted $20 to even deal with my request to >>> remove the negative FB. Don't anyone tell me they want >>> to clean up their lucrative business by honest acts. >> >> Personally I wouldn't get all that upset over 1 negative feedback. >> Anyone with a clue who's buying stuff on eBay realizes that it's nearly >> impossible to have 100% positive feedback no matter how careful you are. > > Oh, to be sure. It's just another indication that ebay > themselves are not above reproach. > > -- Ron > > > >> I have a hunch eBay is actually doing a lot more than we realize to deal >> with scams - remember these scams aren't good for their business so it >> behooves them to try to keep it to a minimum. Think about all the spam >> mail that comes along - it's virtually impossible to filter it all out >> and I suspect eBay is running into a similar problem. At the same time, >> their number 1 priority is making money, not keeping every user happy >> (I'm not saying that's a good thing, it's just how it is). >> >> I've gotten some good deals from people with what would appear to be less >> than stellar feedback by reading the feedback and determining that it was >> retaliation feedback or the seller might have had some sort of problem >> with email and was unable to communicate with people, etc. I wouldn't >> take a chance like that on an item I'm paying big bucks for, but do keep >> an eye out for situations like that. >> -- >> Geoffrey Reynolds >> http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Jul 19 18:55:53 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:55:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How many members? Message-ID: <000b01c6ab54$3a77a540$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, Do anyone know how many Naktalk members we are - and from which countries? Just curious... Best Regards, Per (Denmark) From dmm at math.bu.edu Wed Jul 19 19:38:18 2006 From: dmm at math.bu.edu (Diane Meuser) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Crackling Noises in One Channel Message-ID: After much searching I have just acquired a ZX-9. It is supposed to be in "perfect condition", yet I am hearing loud crackling noises in one channel. I have cleaned the heads and demagnetized, but the noise is there (in several different tapes which play fine on my other Naks, and also in a brand new tape I tried to make a recording with on this deck). The deck is in great cosmetic condition and all knobs function, however the above problem makes it unacceptable as is. I'm wondering if I should a) try to get this problem fixed b) return it for a refund (which I have the option of doing). I'd love to own a ZX-9, but not if it is a lemon or is going to require a lot of expense, since it was supposed to be in perfect condition. So if you have any ideas what may be causing the problem and any opinions on what it might cost to have fixed PLEASE respond. Thanks, Diane dmm at math.bu.edu From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jul 19 19:49:53 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:49:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How many members? In-Reply-To: <000b01c6ab54$3a77a540$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <000b01c6ab54$3a77a540$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <44BE70C1.5050001@xs4all.nl> 720 members today. Per wrote: > Hi, Do anyone know how many Naktalk members > we are - and from which countries? Just curious... > Best Regards, Per (Denmark) From luis at peromarta.org Wed Jul 19 20:00:25 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:00:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Crackling Noises in One Channel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44BE7339.3060804@peromarta.org> I'd bet it's orange pp caps in playback amp. Best rgds, LP. Diane Meuser wrote: > After much searching I have just acquired a ZX-9. It is supposed to > be in "perfect condition", yet I am hearing loud crackling noises in > one channel. I have cleaned the heads and demagnetized, but the > noise is there (in several different tapes which play fine on my > other Naks, and also in a brand new tape I tried to make a recording > with on this deck). > > The deck is in great cosmetic condition and all knobs function, > however the above problem makes it unacceptable as is. I'm > wondering if I should > > a) try to get this problem fixed > > b) return it for a refund (which I have the option of > doing). > > I'd love to own a ZX-9, but not if it is a lemon or is going to > require a lot of expense, since it was supposed to be in perfect > condition. > > So if you have any ideas what may be causing the problem and any > opinions on what it might cost to have fixed PLEASE respond. > > Thanks, > > Diane > dmm at math.bu.edu > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Jul 19 20:16:55 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:16:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How many members? References: <000b01c6ab54$3a77a540$b207010a@hurtignok> <44BE70C1.5050001@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001901c6ab5f$856af560$b207010a@hurtignok> Wow. Thanks for the reply. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many members? > 720 members today. > > Per wrote: >> Hi, Do anyone know how many Naktalk members >> we are - and from which countries? Just curious... >> Best Regards, Per (Denmark) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Jul 19 20:20:44 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:20:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Crackling Noises in One Channel References: <44BE7339.3060804@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <002301c6ab60$0e09a100$b207010a@hurtignok> Could it be one or several of the potentiometers that need contact spray and some exercise? If this crackling sound changes when turning the knobs that could be the case. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Crackling Noises in One Channel > I'd bet it's orange pp caps in playback amp. > > Best rgds, LP. > > Diane Meuser wrote: >> After much searching I have just acquired a ZX-9. It is supposed to >> be in "perfect condition", yet I am hearing loud crackling noises in >> one channel. I have cleaned the heads and demagnetized, but the >> noise is there (in several different tapes which play fine on my >> other Naks, and also in a brand new tape I tried to make a recording >> with on this deck). >> >> The deck is in great cosmetic condition and all knobs function, >> however the above problem makes it unacceptable as is. I'm >> wondering if I should >> >> a) try to get this problem fixed >> >> b) return it for a refund (which I have the option of >> doing). >> >> I'd love to own a ZX-9, but not if it is a lemon or is going to >> require a lot of expense, since it was supposed to be in perfect >> condition. >> >> So if you have any ideas what may be causing the problem and any >> opinions on what it might cost to have fixed PLEASE respond. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Diane >> dmm at math.bu.edu >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dmm at math.bu.edu Wed Jul 19 20:29:22 2006 From: dmm at math.bu.edu (Diane Meuser) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Crackling in ZX-9, Additional Info Message-ID: I have the following additional info re: Crackling Noises in One Channel on ZX-9 I am unable to calibrate this channel correctly before recording. I can make the correct azimuth adjustment, but when I next try to calibrate the level, I gather the deck is supposed to emit a 400 HZ tone and I am supposed to adjust the knobs so that the peak level meters read lower that the LED marked "Cal". I am able to do this for one channel, but not for the other channel, which has the lights showing much higher than this mark regardless of how the level knob is adjusted. Similarly, when one goes to do the bias calibration a 15HZ tone is supposed to be displayed on the peak level meters, and once again one is supposed to adjust both channels so those meters are below "Cal" marking. Once again I can do this for one channel, but not for the other channel. I am hoping one of the Nak experts on this site can let me know whether I should: a) keep deck and try to get fixed. b) return it for a refund. THANKS! Diane dmm at math.bu.edu From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jul 19 23:46:48 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:46:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Crackling in ZX-9, Additional Info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060719164648.00839b80@earthlink.net> The channel won't align with the crackling going on , so the two problems are related. I do not know the specfic cause , but the comment about the orange capacitors sounds right on. I would estimate about $120 after shipping, etc, and maybe your local guy can estimate a price. My advice is to negotiate with the seller to defray the repair cost. ZX9 s are rarely on the market . tom brucker At 02:29 PM 7/19/06 -0400, you wrote: > > I have the following additional info re: Crackling Noises in One > Channel on ZX-9 > > I am unable to calibrate this channel correctly before recording. I > can make the correct azimuth adjustment, but when I next try to > calibrate the level, I gather the deck is supposed to emit a 400 HZ > tone and I am supposed to adjust the knobs so that the peak level > meters read lower that the LED marked "Cal". I am able to do this > for one channel, but not for the other channel, which has the lights > showing much higher than this mark regardless of how the level knob > is adjusted. > > Similarly, when one goes to do the bias calibration a 15HZ tone is > supposed to be displayed on the peak level meters, and once again > one is supposed to adjust both channels so those meters are below > "Cal" marking. Once again I can do this for one channel, but not > for the other channel. > > I am hoping one of the Nak experts on this site can let me know > whether I should: > > a) keep deck and try to get fixed. > b) return it for a refund. > > THANKS! > > Diane > dmm at math.bu.edu > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au Wed Jul 19 23:58:56 2006 From: pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:58:56 +1000 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Crackling ZX9 in one channel Message-ID: <20060719215856.55229.qmail@web60713.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy folks. This is a sure guarantee, the crackling is caused by those darn orange caps on the dolby board, even if you don't use the dolby NR. Replace all orange caps on the Dolby board and you will be right. Tom Siomopoulos. --------------------------------- The LOST Ninja blog: Exclusive clues, clips and gossip. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 20 02:10:11 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:10:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: <001001c6ab45$55a493a0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> References: <001401c6aa2c$5ee92b20$22d117c4@home><002a01c6aa61$9b151e80$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <44BCDBC8.1050606@rcn.com><002801c6aaa0$707912f0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <44BE3E41.2090400@rcn.com> <001001c6ab45$55a493a0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: <44BEC9E3.2040408@rcn.com> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > Ron, > > The solution to your fear of eBay is to not use it. The rest of us will > calculate our own threshold for risk and choose to live a little. I don't think 'fear' describes my choice in the matter, any more than 'foolish' describes yours. I do as the rest of us and choose the risk level *I* feel is prudent. > Good grief. > > Do you have actual data to back up your claim that scams are roughly > 25%? Actually, I do. But a lot depends on your definition of 'scam'. To me, it covers more than the obvious case of sending in your money and getting nothing in return. I know people have low expectations, are willing to take whatever they are dealt and don't seem to know when they've been had. Or care. I know others that are never happy with what they get, avoid ebay and Yahoo auctions entirely and buy only from top stores. My own view is in between, but much closer to caution. YMMV. -- Ron > Sounds like a lot of FUD to me. My personal experience (I've had a > few unpleasant experiences but the vast majority of my transactions have > gone smoothly) and the fact that eBay continues to grow seem to > contradict your claims - if scams were anywhere close to 25%, eBay would > go out of business pretty quickly, dontcha think? > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks > > >> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: >>> From: "Ron" >>> >>> There's a ton of negativity here about ebay. >> >> And, IME, it's all well justified. >> >>> Let's not lose sight of the fact that the vast majority of >>> transactions on ebay go smoothly. >> >> 'Vast' is non mathematical... I think scams are roughly >> 25%... >> >>>> So what you are advocating is that one take a risk, >>>> fully knowing a risk exists, but truing to minimize >>>> it? >>> >>> Well yeah. I take a risk every time I get in my car and drive to >>> work (especially driving through the Big Dig tunnels to get to my job >>> in Boston given what's been going on lately). If one isn't willing >>> to take any risk, life isn't going to be very interesting. >> >> Yea, but the ebay risk is not like getting in your car >> to drive to work, It's more like the risk of getting >> wet when you go out in the rain. >> >>>>> On a high value item, read the description very carefully. >>>> >>>> What good will this do? If the the seller is a scammer, >>>> the description is meaningless, no matter how carefully >>>> one reads it. For example, I was taken by a scammer right >>>> here on NakTalk, by someone that described the deck as >>>> 'pristine', while, in truth, it was in no more than fair >>>> shape and cosmetic parts were actually missing. >>> >>> I've found that by reading things carefully you can often figure out >>> that something just doesn't seem right. I can't give step by step >>> instructions on how to determine this - it's just one step to take. >> >> Well, I have found this to be useless. Scammers lie >> like a top -- it's what they do. >> >>>>> Send the seller a question or 2 and read their response carefully. >>>> >>>> Same comment as above. If the scammer brazenly lies, >>>> what good will careful reading do? Pictures? Same >>>> comment. A friend of mine bought a Heathkit receiver >>>> on strength of a nice picture, only to discover the >>>> badly damaged side was hidden in the picture... >>> >>> Questions and pictures can go hand in hand. If the seller is showing >>> the face and 1 side but not the other, request a picture of the >>> missing side. The scammer either won't be able to comply (doesn't >>> have the item) or won't want to (doesn't want you to see the damage) >>> while the legitimate seller will post another picture showing the >>> other side. Ask questions to qualify what pristine means - ask >>> specifically if there are any cosmetic flaws at all. This isn't only >>> to deal with outright scammers (those who take your money and run), >>> but those who simply don't do a good job describing condition. Each >>> buyer has to decide what his/her threshold is in being confident that >>> the auction is worth the risk because every auction has some amount >>> of risk associated with it - even when the seller is you or me. >> >> I agree. And nowadays, my threshold is the ability to see >> -- and examine as needed -- the item *before* I pay. This >> limits my ability to buy on ebay to a tiny fraction of the >> offerings, which is fine with me, seeing that it definitely >> weeds out all the scams. >> >>>>> If you get no response from the seller do not bid on the item. >>>> >>>> But scammers respond freely. >>> >>> Well, if you choose your questions carefully, they might not (such as >>> asking for a picture they have no way of providing unless they >>> actually have the item). >> >> Well, the picture doesn't really protect you. In one case, >> a seller actually did provide an additional picture, then >> pocketed my $17.50 and never shipped. Two morals to that >> one: first, scammers will degrade themselves for any amount >> of money, no matter how small; and, second, they are willing >> to work hard for it. I suspect the scammer, in that case, >> didn't feel he was degrading himself, he imagined he was >> smart! >> >> BTW, another supposed safeguard (paying with a bank check >> marked 'for deposit only') proved itself useless (twice). >> Banks won't exactly go out of their way to help you catch >> the criminal. >> >>>>> Check feedback and make sure there are very few or preferably >>>>> no negative feedbacks. >>>> >>>> What good does this do if the scammer is using someone >>>> else's account? >>> >>> Again, it's just another thing to keep in mind. Keep in mind that >>> the poster I replied to was sort of complaining about eBay cancelling >>> auctions that were put up by scammers (obviously he was complaining >>> about the fact that the scammers exist). In this case, eBay >>> obviously did the right thing and the guy wasn't out any money - >>> hardly something to worry all that much about. >>> >>>> BTW, ebay wanted $20 to even deal with my request to >>>> remove the negative FB. Don't anyone tell me they want >>>> to clean up their lucrative business by honest acts. >>> >>> Personally I wouldn't get all that upset over 1 negative feedback. >>> Anyone with a clue who's buying stuff on eBay realizes that it's >>> nearly impossible to have 100% positive feedback no matter how >>> careful you are. >> >> Oh, to be sure. It's just another indication that ebay >> themselves are not above reproach. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >>> I have a hunch eBay is actually doing a lot more than we realize to >>> deal with scams - remember these scams aren't good for their business >>> so it behooves them to try to keep it to a minimum. Think about all >>> the spam mail that comes along - it's virtually impossible to filter >>> it all out and I suspect eBay is running into a similar problem. At >>> the same time, their number 1 priority is making money, not keeping >>> every user happy (I'm not saying that's a good thing, it's just how >>> it is). >>> >>> I've gotten some good deals from people with what would appear to be >>> less than stellar feedback by reading the feedback and determining >>> that it was retaliation feedback or the seller might have had some >>> sort of problem with email and was unable to communicate with people, >>> etc. I wouldn't take a chance like that on an item I'm paying big >>> bucks for, but do keep an eye out for situations like that. >>> -- >>> Geoffrey Reynolds >>> http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 20 02:22:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:22:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Crackling Noises in One Channel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44BECCAF.2020803@rcn.com> Congratulations on your new deck. Crackling sound (some call it 'static', which it ain't) is usually not expensive to repair, but can be time consuming (and therefore, expensive) to locate. It can be caused by any intermittent component but most often, by a hairline crack in a PCB. It does not mean your ZX-9 is a 'lemon'. Personally, I would ask the seller to fix it, especially since your unit is otherwise in good shape, not to mention that the ZX9 is a fine deck. If they cannot or will not, you can always ask for a refund. -- Ron Diane Meuser wrote: > After much searching I have just acquired a ZX-9. It is supposed to > be in "perfect condition", yet I am hearing loud crackling noises in > one channel. I have cleaned the heads and demagnetized, but the > noise is there (in several different tapes which play fine on my > other Naks, and also in a brand new tape I tried to make a recording > with on this deck). > > The deck is in great cosmetic condition and all knobs function, > however the above problem makes it unacceptable as is. I'm > wondering if I should > > a) try to get this problem fixed > > b) return it for a refund (which I have the option of > doing). > > I'd love to own a ZX-9, but not if it is a lemon or is going to > require a lot of expense, since it was supposed to be in perfect > condition. > > So if you have any ideas what may be causing the problem and any > opinions on what it might cost to have fixed PLEASE respond. > > Thanks, > > Diane > dmm at math.bu.edu > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Jul 20 07:11:57 2006 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:11:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How many members? In-Reply-To: <44BE70C1.5050001@xs4all.nl> References: <000b01c6ab54$3a77a540$b207010a@hurtignok> <44BE70C1.5050001@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <8C879D2285C8FF7-1A30-1553B@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> Here is the map of Naktalk group but it lists only 37 members so far. http://www.frappr.com/naks Nick. -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:49:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many members? 720 members today. Per wrote: > Hi, Do anyone know how many Naktalk members > we are - and from which countries? Just curious... > Best Regards, Per (Denmark) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Jul 20 20:32:11 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:32:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks References: <001401c6aa2c$5ee92b20$22d117c4@home><002a01c6aa61$9b151e80$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com><44BCDBC8.1050606@rcn.com> <002801c6aaa0$707912f0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: <002c01c6ac2a$d22853e0$4cd017c4@home> My complaint was not at all of eBay cancelling the bids---my complaint was that the whole thing is so wrotten that I actually fell foul of it 3 times---how many more are there? Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks > From: "Ron" > > There's a ton of negativity here about ebay. Let's not lose sight of the > fact that the vast majority of transactions on ebay go smoothly. > >> So what you are advocating is that one take a risk, >> fully knowing a risk exists, but truing to minimize >> it? > > Well yeah. I take a risk every time I get in my car and drive to work > (especially driving through the Big Dig tunnels to get to my job in Boston > given what's been going on lately). If one isn't willing to take any > risk, life isn't going to be very interesting. > >>> On a high value item, read the description very carefully. >> >> What good will this do? If the the seller is a scammer, >> the description is meaningless, no matter how carefully >> one reads it. For example, I was taken by a scammer right >> here on NakTalk, by someone that described the deck as >> 'pristine', while, in truth, it was in no more than fair >> shape and cosmetic parts were actually missing. > > I've found that by reading things carefully you can often figure out that > something just doesn't seem right. I can't give step by step instructions > on how to determine this - it's just one step to take. > >>> Send the seller a question or 2 and read their response carefully. >> >> Same comment as above. If the scammer brazenly lies, >> what good will careful reading do? Pictures? Same >> comment. A friend of mine bought a Heathkit receiver >> on strength of a nice picture, only to discover the >> badly damaged side was hidden in the picture... > > Questions and pictures can go hand in hand. If the seller is showing the > face and 1 side but not the other, request a picture of the missing side. > The scammer either won't be able to comply (doesn't have the item) or > won't want to (doesn't want you to see the damage) while the legitimate > seller will post another picture showing the other side. Ask questions to > qualify what pristine means - ask specifically if there are any cosmetic > flaws at all. This isn't only to deal with outright scammers (those who > take your money and run), but those who simply don't do a good job > describing condition. Each buyer has to decide what his/her threshold is > in being confident that the auction is worth the risk because every > auction has some amount of risk associated with it - even when the seller > is you or me. > >>> If you get no response from the seller do not bid on the item. >> >> But scammers respond freely. > > Well, if you choose your questions carefully, they might not (such as > asking for a picture they have no way of providing unless they actually > have the item). > >>> Check feedback and make sure there are very few or preferably >>> no negative feedbacks. >> >> What good does this do if the scammer is using someone >> else's account? > > Again, it's just another thing to keep in mind. Keep in mind that the > poster I replied to was sort of complaining about eBay cancelling auctions > that were put up by scammers (obviously he was complaining about the fact > that the scammers exist). In this case, eBay obviously did the right > thing and the guy wasn't out any money - hardly something to worry all > that much about. > >> BTW, ebay wanted $20 to even deal with my request to >> remove the negative FB. Don't anyone tell me they want >> to clean up their lucrative business by honest acts. > > Personally I wouldn't get all that upset over 1 negative feedback. Anyone > with a clue who's buying stuff on eBay realizes that it's nearly > impossible to have 100% positive feedback no matter how careful you are. > I have a hunch eBay is actually doing a lot more than we realize to deal > with scams - remember these scams aren't good for their business so it > behooves them to try to keep it to a minimum. Think about all the spam > mail that comes along - it's virtually impossible to filter it all out and > I suspect eBay is running into a similar problem. At the same time, their > number 1 priority is making money, not keeping every user happy (I'm not > saying that's a good thing, it's just how it is). > > I've gotten some good deals from people with what would appear to be less > than stellar feedback by reading the feedback and determining that it was > retaliation feedback or the seller might have had some sort of problem > with email and was unable to communicate with people, etc. I wouldn't > take a chance like that on an item I'm paying big bucks for, but do keep > an eye out for situations like that. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Jul 20 12:58:36 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:58:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How many members? References: <000b01c6ab54$3a77a540$b207010a@hurtignok><44BE70C1.5050001@xs4all.nl> <8C879D2285C8FF7-1A30-1553B@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00f001c6abeb$7b8bc6a0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Nick, Thanks for the link.. Cool map - just plot me in ;-) Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: modernizy at netscape.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many members? Here is the map of Naktalk group but it lists only 37 members so far. http://www.frappr.com/naks Nick. -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:49:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many members? 720 members today. Per wrote: > Hi, Do anyone know how many Naktalk members > we are - and from which countries? Just curious... > Best Regards, Per (Denmark) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From johnroberts52 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 20 19:26:39 2006 From: johnroberts52 at hotmail.com (john roberts) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:26:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 41, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <200607201000.k6KA03Dx031381@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: didn't see my name listed-have been on board for years-how do I get listed? john roberts-san diego,ca ----Original Message Follows---- From: naktalk-request at naks.com Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 41, Issue 28 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:00:07 +0200 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: How many members? (modernizy at netscape.net) ----Original Message Follows---- From: modernizy at netscape.net Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many members? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:11:57 -0400 Here is the map of Naktalk group but it lists only 37 members so far. http://www.frappr.com/naks Nick. -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:49:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many members? 720 members today. Per wrote: > Hi, Do anyone know how many Naktalk members > we are - and from which countries? Just curious... > Best Regards, Per (Denmark) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Jul 20 21:41:51 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:41:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: <44BCDBC8.1050606@rcn.com> References: <001401c6aa2c$5ee92b20$22d117c4@home> <002a01c6aa61$9b151e80$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <44BCDBC8.1050606@rcn.com> Message-ID: <2ti=RNuYPZXyNGty3b0gPNj7nkct@4ax.com> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:02:00 -0400, Ron wrote: >Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: >> Well, if I were you I'd be very thankful that the only problem you've >> had is that eBay has cancelled your bids and shut down the auction. >> That's far less to worry about than sending money and receiving nothing >> in return. >> >> I'm not so sure I agree on your first point (do not bid on any high >> value item). What one has to do is be careful. > >So what you are advocating is that one take a risk, >fully knowing a risk exists, but truing to minimize >it? When crossing the street it is advisable to first check traffic. >> On a high value item, read the description very carefully. > >What good will this do? If the the seller is a scammer, >the description is meaningless, no matter how carefully >one reads it. For example, I was taken by a scammer right >here on NakTalk, by someone that described the deck as >'pristine', while, in truth, it was in no more than fair >shape and cosmetic parts were actually missing. Reading the description may reveal little knowledge on the part of the seller, to the point of it being a copy of another description. The pictures for the current auction must match the description. Also a deal may just be too good. If you read and observe closely it would not make sense that the device for sale is in China if their is a repair tag on the back from a US repair facility. Neither would it be pristine if there is a tag on the back from repair. >> Send the seller a question or 2 and read their response carefully. I tried to respond to a chinese seller about buying more than just one goldplated 3.5+6.3mm jackadapter and got a lot of chinese back which I could not understand. So this is not always a good indication, but will certainly set the level of communication if after the sale something needs to be discussed. >Same comment as above. If the scammer brazenly lies, >what good will careful reading do? Pictures? Same >comment. A friend of mine bought a Heathkit receiver >on strength of a nice picture, only to discover the >badly damaged side was hidden in the picture... Ask for pictures of that side! >> If you get no response from the seller do not bid on the item. >But scammers respond freely. No response may indicate that seller doesn't want to answer questions from knowledgable buyers who will complain if they get the item. Answers from a scammer may be misleading. You see a nice ad, ask a question and get an email reply asking you to phone him for a good price. Scammers don't all work the same way. >> Check feedback and make sure there are very few or preferably >> no negative feedbacks. And read the negative and neutral feedback see what the issue is. - Does people get what they wanted? Did seller send something else than advertised? - Did seller pack adequately? Skimping on packing materials will have some packages arrive in a poor state with damaged goods inside. - Is seller responsive after sales. - What are sellers responses? Was he sick, did he forget, does he apologize, does he return money, et ceterea. Does he respond at all? If the seller seems unimpressed with negative feedback then perhaps he is better off with other people buying his stuff. >What good does this do if the scammer is using someone >else's account? You should chec kto see if there is a period of non-use of the account. Like 4-6 months gap. Does the seller change the type of goods he sells. Look at feedback from before if someone mentions that a 1959 Mattel Barbie doll was missing parts of the original clothing and now seller is back after a hiatus and suddenly sells high-end audio there is reason to be cautious. > > Keep in mind that people >> will leave negative feedback in retaliation for a non paying bidder >> negative feedback (this happened to me and is my 1 negative feedback) > >True. My only negative FB was from a retaliating scammer >after I posted a complaint with ebay. The scumbag was >stupid enough to actually state so -- no matter, people >do not read the FB, they just note that it's not 100%. They never read the green ones! The red ones attract prying eyes but never the green ones. Some sellers are not to admit faults and are touchy about green feedback too. I got my first red over my green comment to a seller. >BTW, ebay wanted $20 to even deal with my request to >remove the negative FB. Don't anyone tell me they want >to clean up their lucrative business by honest acts. eBay is slowly sinking into the public eye as a pissing contest. I have had my share of problems with eBay. And I am now goign to be careful with what and from whom I buy, IF I bother to buy on eBay at all. If anyone asks me now to buy on eBay, I'd advise against it. If anyone want advise on selling I'l give it. We need more good sellers. There are enough people who want to buy and only one can win an auction. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Jul 20 21:47:41 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:47:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: References: <002801c6aaa0$707912f0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:44:35 +0100, "Nelson" wrote: >(in respponse to Graham) I >also agree eBay is PROBABLY doing a lot about the crooks that we are not >aware of. They may, however, be handling more than they can economically >deal with ... and prioritising case to choose which to follow up and which >to leave aside. After all, that is also precisely what the Police have to >do, and THEY are not in their game for a profit. Nevertheless, they have >budgets that they have to work to and if trying to solve every crime would >mean exceeding those budgets then some crimes are just not followed up. It >has to be the same for eBay, and even harder because their shareholders WILL >be wanting a return on their investment, which means eBay must make a >profit. eBay work behind the scenes but we don't know what they do, because we never hear about it. We bring something fishy to their attention and we are told we cannot be told what they will do. The sense you get is that they won't do anything, and you're better off jut forgetting it like eBay will. I am sick and tired of the quick copy paste responses of email staff whe nthey make a reply that tell you they did not read your email or does not understand the situation. To tell I can't see anyone responding to me from eBay staff ever having been able to get a high school diploma. All that is required is a knack for for tying sentences together with good copy pasting skills. >Nevertheless, like all service industries, eBay must also be aware that high >levels of over all customer satisfaction are essential for keeping customers >loyal. eBay isn't the only market place "in town" and if enough customers >were unhappy with it, they could be easily knocked off their perch by the >eBay pretenders, like QXL. However, since that has not happened, and since >the eBay community seems to be growing one must conclude there IS an overall >high level of satisfaction with their service. Again what people don't know is going on they can't work into their decisions, until it happens to them, then they will make a noise. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Jul 20 21:53:32 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:53:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: <001001c6ab45$55a493a0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> References: <001401c6aa2c$5ee92b20$22d117c4@home><002a01c6aa61$9b151e80$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <44BCDBC8.1050606@rcn.com><002801c6aaa0$707912f0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> <44BE3E41.2090400@rcn.com> <001001c6ab45$55a493a0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:09:24 -0400, "Geoffrey Reynolds" wrote: >Ron, > >The solution to your fear of eBay is to not use it. The rest of us will >calculate our own threshold for risk and choose to live a little. > >Good grief. > >Do you have actual data to back up your claim that scams are roughly 25%? Have't you heard scams are up 10% this quarter? :) Seriously I can see from my dealings since november 2005 that I've have problems with just as many deals as in the time since I started using eBay in summer of 2003 until nov 2005. And I probably lost more money in this recent short period. Since a month ago I have become very sensitive with what I regard as a good deal and I only bid on stuff I find cheap, essential to my collections or offers that are unusual to get from the same seller, and whcih I'd later have to get per item from single sellers or locally. I now never buy stuff online that I can walk into a shop to get second hand or new doesn't matter. >Sounds like a lot of FUD to me. My personal experience (I've had a few >unpleasant experiences but the vast majority of my transactions have gone >smoothly) and the fact that eBay continues to grow seem to contradict your >claims - if scams were anywhere close to 25%, eBay would go out of business >pretty quickly, dontcha think? Scam auctions are one thing. Completed scam auctions are another. -Mikkel From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 20 23:54:26 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:54:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mikkel Breiler Sent: 20 July 2006 20:48 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks eBay work behind the scenes but we don't know what they do, because we never hear about it. We bring something fishy to their attention and we are told we cannot be told what they will do. The sense you get is that they won't do anything, and you're better off jut forgetting it like eBay will. Gra' replies: I take your point entirely but I would think that eBay operates its anti-fraud operations using people who are ex-Police or ex-Financial Services (esp bank) trained people. Their approach is typically secretive. Think about it for a moment - the banks are dealing with fraud that costs $billions every year but we don't hear much about what they are doing to stop it. Yet they are very busy doing just that. For one thing, they don't want people to know the extent of frauds because that might put off some people from using their service. Nor do they want criminals to know their clear-up rate even if it's good. Finally, they won't want to talk about what they are doing to tackle fraud because that may give away some of their policy, tactics and technology. And they will especially not want to talk about the extent to which they are co-operating with law enforcement agencies, like the Metropolitan Police or the FBI. One thing you can be sure of, however, is that, like the Banks, they won't be operating a "zero tolerance" policy - rather, they will choose which frauds to tackle, and they will be those which are the most valuable to the criminals, especially where eBay may be used to clean money internationally. (That MUST be a big issue for them right now .... goods that don't exist sold to people who are simply intent on transferring funds to their co-conspirators abroad.) In short, eBay will target it's finite resources at the frauds which, or money laundry operations, that will recoup the most value. From modernizy at netscape.net Fri Jul 21 07:06:00 2006 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:06:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How many members? In-Reply-To: <00f001c6abeb$7b8bc6a0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <000b01c6ab54$3a77a540$b207010a@hurtignok><44BE70C1.5050001@xs4all.nl> <8C879D2285C8FF7-1A30-1553B@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> <00f001c6abeb$7b8bc6a0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <8C87A9A7E260C94-858-2A89@mblkn-m04.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Per, First of all, this is not my project - I have just saved the link posted by Tomas Larrson in November 2005. You can mark yourself at the map by following instructions given on the site. With the very best wishes, Nick. -----Original Message----- From: Per To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:58:36 +0200 Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many members? Hi Nick, Thanks for the link.. Cool map - just plot me in ;-) Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: modernizy at netscape.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many members? Here is the map of Naktalk group but it lists only 37 members so far. http://www.frappr.com/naks Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrewspencer at eircom.net Fri Jul 21 12:53:09 2006 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy Spencer) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:53:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success Message-ID: <002f01c6acb3$dad2a840$6a01a8c0@Manepa> I acquired a CR5E a couple of months ago but was very dissappointed with the quality of Recording and Playback compared to my CR7A, so decided to have a play around with the azimuth wheels which resulted in the sound getting even worse. I left the deck thinking I'd have to send it over to B&W in the UK to have a look at it. Yesterday, I decided to have another look at the CR5 to see if I could get it to sound better. The larger middle wheel sprang out a few times due to turning the smaller wheels too far but I soon worked out how to put these back. Firstly I decided that I would screw the smaller wheels in as far as they would go before inserting the Larger middle wheel, big mistake of course as that pushed the recording and playback heads to the back of the cassette drawer. I decided I would need better access to the cassette compartment so I removed the front cover to see how the azimuth wheels worked. On turning the unit over I could see the way the heads were pushed back against a spring when the wheels were fully screwed in and allowed to moved forward when the wheels were released. I hadn't realised how simple a mechanism the azimuth adjustment was so now feeling a great deal more confident I released the smaller screws as far as they would go so the heads were now more or less alligned with the erase head. I then put the middle wheel back in and inserted a well know cassette. The cassette was one of hundreds recorded on my CR3E fifteen or so years ago from a Battery Powered Pink Triangle PTTOO, SMEV, Stilton Bodied ATOC9 and an Equinox Phono Stage and still sound fantastic when played back on my CR7. I connected my Stax Lamda Pro Headphones to the CR5 and pressed play. I have to say the sound immediately wasn't great but by tweaking the wheels I quickly managed to get to get to a perfect channel balance and point where the high frequency sounds were at their best. Unfortunately at one pint the wheel part of one of the buttons came off but I was able to to adjust the screw portion using a watchmakers screwdriver. I played two or three more cassettes, they sounded absolutely superb and to the same level as my CR7, I was delighted! With the Playback function optimised it was easy to do the same as above for the Record Heads by adjusting the azimuth whilst monitoring a recording. With the CR5 all back together in my rack I recorded a couple of tracks to listen to through my system and I was extremely pleased with the results! Now with all that said, I may need to do a little more tweaking as I did notice something a little strange which may need addressing. When setting up the CR5 for recording, I monitored a mono recording to adjust the Right & Left channel balance. I then recorded a track which has a slightly higher level on the Left channel than the right. During playback of this recording the Right Hand channel meter was showing a slightly higher level than the left. I checked that the interconnects were not mixed up, which they were not. Anybody out there with an explanation, do I need to adjust the azimuth a little more? Regards. Andy Dublin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Jul 21 12:58:41 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:58:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success In-Reply-To: <002f01c6acb3$dad2a840$6a01a8c0@Manepa> References: <002f01c6acb3$dad2a840$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: <44C0B361.6040903@peromarta.org> Andy, Congratulations on your success. I bet these differences could be track misalignment, you could have missed the exact playback head height position. Azimuth could be adjusted to certain precission "by ear", PH height (a.k.a. "Track Alignment") surely not. You probably need a set of alignment tapes to leave your deck spot on. (And, luck you, I sell a nice set ... ;) ) Best rgds, LP. Andy Spencer wrote: > I acquired a CR5E a couple of months ago but was very dissappointed with > the quality of Recording and Playback compared to my CR7A, so decided to > have a play around with the azimuth wheels which resulted in the sound > getting even worse. I left the deck thinking I'd have to send it over to > B&W in the UK to have a look at it. > > Yesterday, I decided to have another look at the CR5 to see if I could > get it to sound better. The larger middle wheel sprang out a few times > due to turning the smaller wheels too far but I soon worked out how to > put these back. > > Firstly I decided that I would screw the smaller wheels in as far as > they would go before inserting the Larger middle wheel, big mistake of > course as that pushed the recording and playback heads to the back of > the cassette drawer. I decided I would need better access to the > cassette compartment so I removed the front cover to see how the azimuth > wheels worked. > > On turning the unit over I could see the way the heads were pushed back > against a spring when the wheels were fully screwed in and allowed to > moved forward when the wheels were released. I hadn't realised how > simple a mechanism the azimuth adjustment was so now feeling a great > deal more confident I released the smaller screws as far as they would > go so the heads were now more or less alligned with the erase head. I > then put the middle wheel back in and inserted a well know cassette. > > The cassette was one of hundreds recorded on my CR3E fifteen or so years > ago from a Battery Powered Pink Triangle PTTOO, SMEV, Stilton Bodied > ATOC9 and an Equinox Phono Stage and still sound fantastic when played > back on my CR7. > > I connected my Stax Lamda Pro Headphones to the CR5 and pressed play. I > have to say the sound immediately wasn't great but by tweaking the > wheels I quickly managed to get to get to a perfect channel balance and > point where the high frequency sounds were at their best. Unfortunately > at one pint the wheel part of one of the buttons came off but I was able > to to adjust the screw portion using a watchmakers screwdriver. > > I played two or three more cassettes, they sounded absolutely superb and > to the same level as my CR7, I was delighted! > > With the Playback function optimised it was easy to do the same as above > for the Record Heads by adjusting the azimuth whilst monitoring a recording. > > With the CR5 all back together in my rack I recorded a couple of tracks > to listen to through my system and I was extremely pleased with the results! > > Now with all that said, I may need to do a little more tweaking as I did > notice something a little strange which may need addressing. > > When setting up the CR5 for recording, I monitored a mono recording to > adjust the Right & Left channel balance. I then recorded a track which > has a slightly higher level on the Left channel than the right. During > playback of this recording the Right Hand channel meter was showing a > slightly higher level than the left. I checked that the interconnects > were not mixed up, which they were not. > > Anybody out there with an explanation, do I need to adjust the azimuth a > little more? > > Regards. > > Andy > Dublin > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paulcar at caribsurf.com Fri Jul 21 13:51:28 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (c l Paul Carrington) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:51:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Members Message-ID: <44C0BFC0.6030902@caribsurf.com> You now have Barbados added to your map/members! Paul Carrington From fugue4all at shaw.ca Fri Jul 21 16:24:23 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:24:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: <200607211000.k6LA0pO0006796@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 41, Issue 29 Seems like everybody has a different experience! I've completed close to 400 transactions on EBay as both a buyer and seller in Northern Ontario, and have purchased and shipped to North America, Europe and Asia. I've cleared out some of my old motorcycle and car parts, some Leicas, stereo gear etc. I've had only one bad experience (with a vintage toaster--don't laugh--that was packed badly and the seller flamed me for mentioning it). I guess I've been lucky to be an honest buyer and seller finding fellow EBayers that are the same. I'm thankful to EBay, because it's through it that I "met" Stephen Sank, and got my basket-case CR-7 for $200, sent it to him, and for $300 more got a stunning machine. I've also purchased my LX3 (I orange capped it), my Pioneer RT-707, Carver TX-11 tuner, Pioneer SA-9500II amp (and Nover Audio grade caps for the power supply from Hong Kong), Revolver turntable, Grado Gold Prestige cartridge, and a ton of mics and other audio gear. I paid a reasonable price for each, and am more than thankful for the service. As a seller, I get access to a market of literally hundreds of millions of people for a reasonable fee. I'd think twice buying something like a 1000ZXL Limited on EBay, though. Same for a Rolex. But you can't be an impatient hunter--over time, those "borrowed" pictures keep cropping up repeatedly. BTW, you can be kicked off EBay permanently for stealing somebody else's pictures in your auctions. Many reputable sellers watermark them, etc. PayPal is another matter--even though they've been bought by EBay, they're still horribly frustrating. But their convenience keeps me as a customer. I'm pragmatic about them--they're a pain in the #ss, but they can speed up a transaction. Check out this website for some interesting stories: http://www.paypalsucks.com Best regards, Paul Dingle -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.2/393 - Release Date: 7/19/2006 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Jul 21 17:24:01 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:24:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success In-Reply-To: <002f01c6acb3$dad2a840$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060721102401.0083d100@earthlink.net> Both the play and record heads might have slight mis adjustment of height, in opposite directions. Recheck the play height, then align record for maximum output while recording 400Hz. The BIG problem you have not addressed is head tilt, which is not settable by ear. Only with Nakamichi tilt gauges can you set these properly. Tilt can cause weak record or playback. tom brucker At 11:53 AM 7/21/06 +0100, you wrote: >>>> I acquired a CR5E a couple of months ago but was very dissappointed with the quality of Recording and Playback compared to my CR7A, so decided to have a play around with the azimuth wheels which resulted in the sound getting even worse. I left the deck thinking I'd have to send it over to B&W in the UK to have a look at it. Yesterday, I decided to have another look at the CR5 to see if I could get it to sound better. The larger middle wheel sprang out a few times due to turning the smaller wheels too far but I soon worked out how to put these back. Firstly I decided that I would screw the smaller wheels in as far as they would go before inserting the Larger middle wheel, big mistake of course as that pushed the recording and playback heads to the back of the cassette drawer. I decided I would need better access to the cassette compartment so I removed the front cover to see how the azimuth wheels worked. On turning the unit over I could see the way the heads were pushed back against a spring when the wheels were fully screwed in and allowed to moved forward when the wheels were released. I hadn't realised how simple a mechanism the azimuth adjustment was so now feeling a great deal more confident I released the smaller screws as far as they would go so the heads were now more or less alligned with the erase head. I then put the middle wheel back in and inserted a well know cassette. The cassette was one of hundreds recorded on my CR3E fifteen or so years ago from a Battery Powered Pink Triangle PTTOO, SMEV, Stilton Bodied ATOC9 and an Equinox Phono Stage and still sound fantastic when played back on my CR7. I connected my Stax Lamda Pro Headphones to the CR5 and pressed play. I have to say the sound immediately wasn't great but by tweaking the wheels I quickly managed to get to get to a perfect channel balance and point where the high frequency sounds were at their best. Unfortunately at one pint the wheel part of one of the buttons came off but I was able to to adjust the screw portion using a watchmakers screwdriver. I played two or three more cassettes, they sounded absolutely superb and to the same level as my CR7, I was delighted! With the Playback function optimised it was easy to do the same as above for the Record Heads by adjusting the azimuth whilst monitoring a recording. With the CR5 all back together in my rack I recorded a couple of tracks to listen to through my system and I was extremely pleased with the results! Now with all that said, I may need to do a little more tweaking as I did notice something a little strange which may need addressing. When setting up the CR5 for recording, I monitored a mono recording to adjust the Right & Left channel balance. I then recorded a track which has a slightly higher level on the Left channel than the right. During playback of this recording the Right Hand channel meter was showing a slightly higher level than the left. I checked that the interconnects were not mixed up, which they were not. Anybody out there with an explanation, do I need to adjust the azimuth a little more? Regards. Andy Dublin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 18:21:22 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success In-Reply-To: <002f01c6acb3$dad2a840$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: <20060721162122.16601.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dude, the alignment of you deck is now totally screwed up. The screw that is couples to the two other screws should NEVER be taken out (unless a new head is being installed). The two screws are adjusted to get the head tilt aligned THEN the third screw that couples the two together is installed and then adjusted for head height, NOT azimuth. The screw all by itself to the far right is the azimuth adjustment. You can not fix the mess you've created. You need to send it to someone who has the jigs and tapes required to do head tilt and track alignment as well as the standard azimuth. There are probably only a handful of places in the world left that can do the head tilt and I'm sure ESL and B&W are amoung them. If you leave it in it's current state it might sound alright, but, you will get uneven head wear due to the incorrect tilt and prematurely wear them out. You can refer to the 660ZX mechanical & electrical calibration web pages that I have created and posted on the web to see what's involved in doing a proper alignment. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal_Pt1.html --- Andy Spencer wrote: > I acquired a CR5E a couple of months ago but was very dissappointed > with the quality of Recording and Playback compared to my CR7A, so > decided to have a play around with the azimuth wheels which > resulted in the sound getting even worse. I left the deck thinking > I'd have to send it over to B&W in the UK to have a look at it. > > Yesterday, I decided to have another look at the CR5 to see if I > could get it to sound better. The larger middle wheel sprang out a > few times due to turning the smaller wheels too far but I soon > worked out how to put these back. > > Firstly I decided that I would screw the smaller wheels in as far > as they would go before inserting the Larger middle wheel, big > mistake of course as that pushed the recording and playback heads > to the back of the cassette drawer. I decided I would need better > access to the cassette compartment so I removed the front cover to > see how the azimuth wheels worked. > > On turning the unit over I could see the way the heads were pushed > back against a spring when the wheels were fully screwed in and > allowed to moved forward when the wheels were released. I hadn't > realised how simple a mechanism the azimuth adjustment was so now > feeling a great deal more confident I released the smaller screws > as far as they would go so the heads were now more or less alligned > with the erase head. I then put the middle wheel back in and > inserted a well know cassette. > > The cassette was one of hundreds recorded on my CR3E fifteen or so > years ago from a Battery Powered Pink Triangle PTTOO, SMEV, Stilton > Bodied ATOC9 and an Equinox Phono Stage and still sound fantastic > when played back on my CR7. > > I connected my Stax Lamda Pro Headphones to the CR5 and pressed > play. I have to say the sound immediately wasn't great but by > tweaking the wheels I quickly managed to get to get to a perfect > channel balance and point where the high frequency sounds were at > their best. Unfortunately at one pint the wheel part of one of the > buttons came off but I was able to to adjust the screw portion > using a watchmakers screwdriver. > > I played two or three more cassettes, they sounded absolutely > superb and to the same level as my CR7, I was delighted! > > With the Playback function optimised it was easy to do the same as > above for the Record Heads by adjusting the azimuth whilst > monitoring a recording. > > With the CR5 all back together in my rack I recorded a couple of > tracks to listen to through my system and I was extremely pleased > with the results! > > Now with all that said, I may need to do a little more tweaking as > I did notice something a little strange which may need addressing. > > When setting up the CR5 for recording, I monitored a mono recording > to adjust the Right & Left channel balance. I then recorded a track > which has a slightly higher level on the Left channel than the > right. During playback of this recording the Right Hand channel > meter was showing a slightly higher level than the left. I checked > that the interconnects were not mixed up, which they were not. > > Anybody out there with an explanation, do I need to adjust the > azimuth a little more? > > Regards. > > Andy > Dublin > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Jul 21 21:24:42 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:24:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks References: Message-ID: <000601c6acfb$52d000d0$63d417c4@home> Gra,that might well be! But I feel that when an item with the same picture appears on ebay 5 or six times with different sellers with not much more than zero ratings and mostly from China ---and eBay lets those listings run their full time ,I do have my doubts as to whether they do anything on their own!This happens time and again. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mikkel Breiler > Sent: 20 July 2006 20:48 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks > > > eBay work behind the scenes but we don't know what they do, because we > never > hear > about it. We bring something fishy to their attention and we are told we > cannot be > told what they will do. The sense you get is that they won't do anything, > and you're > better off jut forgetting it like eBay will. > > Gra' replies: > > I take your point entirely but I would think that eBay operates its > anti-fraud operations using people who are ex-Police or ex-Financial > Services (esp bank) trained people. Their approach is typically > secretive. > Think about it for a moment - the banks are dealing with fraud that costs > $billions every year but we don't hear much about what they are doing to > stop it. Yet they are very busy doing just that. For one thing, they > don't > want people to know the extent of frauds because that might put off some > people from using their service. Nor do they want criminals to know their > clear-up rate even if it's good. Finally, they won't want to talk about > what they are doing to tackle fraud because that may give away some of > their > policy, tactics and technology. And they will especially not want to talk > about the extent to which they are co-operating with law enforcement > agencies, like the Metropolitan Police or the FBI. One thing you can be > sure of, however, is that, like the Banks, they won't be operating a "zero > tolerance" policy - rather, they will choose which frauds to tackle, and > they will be those which are the most valuable to the criminals, > especially > where eBay may be used to clean money internationally. (That MUST be a > big > issue for them right now .... goods that don't exist sold to people who > are > simply intent on transferring funds to their co-conspirators abroad.) In > short, eBay will target it's finite resources at the frauds which, or > money > laundry operations, that will recoup the most value. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Jul 21 22:00:46 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:00:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Why Does my Nakamichi not have auto-record level? Message-ID: I know the obvious answer is because to adjust youre levels manually is more precise, yet seeing the product brochure for the Sony ES decks, it says that the level is monitered constantly by computer, and adjusted to its optimal level to preclude any distortion. Wouldnt I have to sit by my nakamichi deck during the entire recording to avoid any peaks during orchestral crescendos and other transient attacks? How many times must I adjust record levels during a recording? My RX303 deck owners manual says only to "put the deck in record standby..push pause button while keeping the Record button depressed ( I will tell i the machine-"youre not a dragon, youre worthless"-that ought to depress it).Adjust the record level with the REc level controls while watching.. peak level meters". Also, " for good recordings, its essential to maintain a high signal to noise ratio", then it explains the resultant consequences of tape hiss for too low levels, or distortion for levels that are too high. Then there is a box with a diagram that illustrates that for metal tape, to adjust recording levels so that +8DB lights up occasionally on signal peaks- for normal and chrome it says +5DB. I am a nakaphobe whose never recorded once yet, though I own four NAks. I am beggining to get friendly with my RX303 , petting it, and I think it likes me, so I am going to begin to try some recording. Should I be wishing for Automatic record level controls? -- From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jul 21 22:54:07 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:54:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Why Does my Nakamichi not have auto-record level? Message-ID: <10215908-C6F5-4739-B1D8-75C24EF6BA99@alumni.caltech.edu> > Should I be wishing for Automatic record level controls? No, not unless it's a recording you don't care about (like a lecture). My CRAIG porta-cassette has it--I'll trade it for your RX-303 :-). Seriously there are a few occasions where perhaps it can be useful for avoiding an absolute disaster. But (IMHO) proper recording technique never entails adjusting the level DURING the recording, which is essentially what this does. The situations where it's most useful are something where it's more important that you get a signal on a tape (such as a lecture) than that the signal be musically accurate. You might think it would be handy in a live recording where you only get one shot, but that's where you LEAST want to alter the dynamic range--that's the whole point of a live recording (or at least one of them). The Nak doesn't have it also because it doesn't need it as much as my Craig porta-cassette. I'll not comment on the Sony. Despite the cautions in the Nak manual, which are valid, don't be too paranoid about them. Also, if you're doing pre-recorded stuff, you shouldn't track the whole thing. Just pick the loudest and softest spots (usually the loudest) and adjust for so that the loudest parts don't peg the meters and the softest spots aren't buried in the hiss. But I'd rather have a recording with a touch of distortion on the top or tape hiss on the bottom than one that's been dynamically compressed by riding the record level during the recording, which is what automatic level control essentially does.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Fri Jul 21 23:27:59 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:27:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks References: <000601c6acfb$52d000d0$63d417c4@home> Message-ID: <000801c6ad0c$8bb956b0$cb01a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "drewes" > Gra,that might well be! But I feel that when an item with the same picture > appears on ebay 5 or six times with different sellers with not much more > than zero ratings and mostly from China ---and eBay lets those listings > run their full time ,I do have my doubts as to whether they do anything on > their own!This happens time and again. Well, they likely don't have the manpower to look at every single auction that is listed, so they obviously have to rely to some degree on people reporting suspicious looking auctions to them. Once that's been done, it can be a tough call on their part to determine if the auction is a scam or not (and they probably get more reports than they have manpower to handle). The potential buyer is obviously in a tough spot trying to figure out if any given auction is legit or not, but eBay is also in a tough spot too - if their "filters" are too draconian, they'll end up cancelling lots of legitimate auctions which will piss off both sellers and buyers and that wouldn't be good for business. Perhaps the best solution is to track down each of the scam artists out there and force them to listen to cassettes played on non-Nakamichi tape decks for the rest of their lives (to sort of get back on topic...). In the meantime, bid carefully - there are far more good people buying and selling on eBay than there are scam artists - you just have to figure out who is who ;). -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 22 00:38:09 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:38:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: <000601c6acfb$52d000d0$63d417c4@home> Message-ID: Quite so, Walter, but they may have very good reason for letting those auctions run. For example, suppose the auctions were part of a money cleaning operation, where probably non existent goods are "sold" so that money can be transferred from one account to another across international boundaries. This would require a number of people to operate the eBay seller accounts on behalf of the Boss, who wouldn't be anywhere near eBay. However, it might be possible to follow the movement of the funds from their source (the "buyers"), through the "sellers" accounts and on to its ultimate destination. When I was at the Bank it was the case that some money cleaning operations were allowed to seemingly run their course because the Police wanted to trace where the money had come from and to where it was ultimately going. When the IRA were bombing high profile buildings, like the Bank in Canary Wharf, my bank was put on a High Security Alert. A Special Branch detective laughed when I told him - "They'd never bomb your bank," he said, "they clean most of their money through it!" Anyway ... this is drifting way way way off topic (sorry Wouter) so I'll stop here and say no more. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of drewes Sent: 21 July 2006 20:25 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks Gra,that might well be! But I feel that when an item with the same picture appears on ebay 5 or six times with different sellers with not much more than zero ratings and mostly from China ---and eBay lets those listings run their full time ,I do have my doubts as to whether they do anything on their own!This happens time and again. Walter From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 22 00:38:11 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:38:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Why Does my Nakamichi not have auto-record level? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Beggar that, Jerry! If you want to hear a "realistic" recording you need to let the tape capture the dynamic range of the music. Find the loudest parts on the CD or LP and adjust your recording levels to suit that, then record the entire piece at that level. Otherwise you are going to get .... well, can you imagine anything by Beethoven being played back at the same level of dB? It wouldn't be Beethoven! Beethoven has to be mouse quiet pieces (even if that means some tape hiss) followed by huge walls of sound. Best wishes Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jerryjg Sent: 21 July 2006 21:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Why Does my Nakamichi not have auto-record level? I know the obvious answer is because to adjust youre levels manually is more precise, yet seeing the product brochure for the Sony ES decks, it says that the level is monitered constantly by computer, and adjusted to its optimal level to preclude any distortion. Wouldnt I have to sit by my nakamichi deck during the entire recording to avoid any peaks during orchestral crescendos and other transient attacks? From jberger at well.com Sat Jul 22 01:21:13 2006 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Why Does my Nakamichi not have auto-record level? In-Reply-To: <200607212036.k6LKaEqE008970@zxe.naks.com> References: <200607212036.k6LKaEqE008970@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Short answer: Because it cannot work properly. Longer answer: Automatic record levels on a cassette deck can only work one way; by compressing the dynamic range of the recording, relative to the original source. If the music gets too loud, auto-levels would quickly turn the record level down. If the music gets too soft, auto-level may turn the record level up. Either way, the dynamic range of the recording is squeezed, and this is done in the middle of the recording. While this might be fine with highly processed and compressed pop music that is mixed to sound good on a car stereo with the windows open, it's not at all desirable for serious listening to material with wide dynamic range, whether it's Stravinsky or the Grateful Dead. If the effect is subtle, you may just notice that the louder peaks don't have the 'punch' that they had, and the quiet parts aren't as quiet. If the effect is not subtle (poorly designed), the compression of peaks will be quite obvious, as if you had suddenly turned down the volume. Fortunately, Naks have wide dynamic range; even more so when used with noise reduction systems (Dolby B, C, dbx, or HiCom). In the old days of recording from vinyl, it was fairly easy to look at the record, find where the grooves were widest, play that segment, and you'd have the signals set for the loudest levels. When recording live, you'd have to err on the conservative side, because you only had one chance; same when recording from FM. When recording from CD, you'll have to be sample or be familiar with the program material to find the loudest portion of the tracks, set the maximum level from that, and then record based on that setting. Since CD's will all have the same maximum level (all ones is all ones, no matter the source material), you will find over time that you'll learn that when you record a CD you set the record level at 6 every time (the number '6' is an example; the actual number will vary based on your equipment). The levels recommended in the manual are just a hair higher than I prefer to go (I use +7 and +3). Don't be afraid to experiment; cassettes can be re-recorded! The best way to learn is with a 3-headed Nak, because you can immediately switch back and forth between the source and the recording. (For best results, I'd recommend doing this with headphones) You can run the levels up too high, and hear the distortion and loss of highs of a saturated tape, or run the levels much lower, and hear the music get lost in the background noise, but with wide bandwidth (low tones to high tones). If your deck has easily adjustable bias, you can even adjust this during your experimentation, to see how under- or over-biasing affects the overall balance. You can also make a recording, and manually adjust the record level during the recording, and then play it back later. You'll find that the adjustment that you thought was subtle turns out to be quite noticeable, and then you'll hear why you should set the level and leave it alone. And anyone who has four Naks is no longer a Nakaphobe... John Why Does my Nakamichi not have auto-record level? To: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 I know the obvious answer is because to adjust youre levels manually is more precise, yet seeing the product brochure for the Sony ES decks, it says that the level is monitered constantly by computer, and adjusted to its optimal level to preclude any distortion. Wouldnt I have to sit by my nakamichi deck during the entire recording to avoid any peaks during orchestral crescendos and other transient attacks? How many times must I adjust record levels during a recording? My RX303 deck owners manual says only to "put the deck in record standby..push pause button while keeping the Record button depressed ( I will tell i the machine-"youre not a dragon, youre worthless"-that ought to depress it).Adjust the record level with the REc level controls while watching.. peak level meters". Also, " for good recordings, its essential to maintain a high signal to noise ratio", then it explains the resultant consequences of tape hiss for too low levels, or distortion for levels that are too high. Then there is a box with a diagram that illustrates that for metal tape, to adjust recording levels so that +8DB lights up occasionally on signal peaks- for normal and chrome it says +5DB. I am a nakaphobe whose never recorded once yet, though I own four NAks. I am beggining to get friendly with my RX303 , petting it, and I think it likes me, so I am going to begin to try some recording. Should I be wishing for Automatic record level controls? -- From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Jul 22 05:51:10 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:51:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success Message-ID: Question on the tilt adjustment: I notice that the 700 II manual makes no mention of it (or the fancy tilt check gauge, which I assume the 700 II pre-dates. How was it done then?-kby From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jul 22 14:48:15 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:48:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Accounts taken over by crooks In-Reply-To: <000801c6ad0c$8bb956b0$cb01a8c0@geoffwin2k> References: <000601c6acfb$52d000d0$63d417c4@home> <000801c6ad0c$8bb956b0$cb01a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: <44C21E8F.6050907@rcn.com> greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > From: "drewes" > >> Gra,that might well be! But I feel that when an item with the same picture >> appears on ebay 5 or six times with different sellers with not much more >> than zero ratings and mostly from China ---and eBay lets those listings >> run their full time ,I do have my doubts as to whether they do anything on >> their own!This happens time and again. > > Well, they likely don't have the manpower to look at every single auction > that is listed, so they obviously have to rely to some degree on people > reporting suspicious looking auctions to them. First, it's not a question of manpower, but of money (and ebay is a very lucrative business). So, the question is whether they see crime prevention on their auction site as a necessary business expense. Apparently, they do not. Second, not only do they NOT 'rely to some degree on people reporting', but they go out of their way to ignore such reports, including reports of theft already committed. Did you know they will not even accept complaints 30 days after auction close? Many scams take more than 30 days to become apparent. -- Ron > Once that's been done, it > can be a tough call on their part to determine if the auction is a scam or > not (and they probably get more reports than they have manpower to handle). > The potential buyer is obviously in a tough spot trying to figure out if any > given auction is legit or not, but eBay is also in a tough spot too - if > their "filters" are too draconian, they'll end up cancelling lots of > legitimate auctions which will piss off both sellers and buyers and that > wouldn't be good for business. > > Perhaps the best solution is to track down each of the scam artists out > there and force them to listen to cassettes played on non-Nakamichi tape > decks for the rest of their lives (to sort of get back on topic...). In the > meantime, bid carefully - there are far more good people buying and selling > on eBay than there are scam artists - you just have to figure out who is who > ;). > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From lenaw at flash.net Sat Jul 22 15:27:37 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:27:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Why Does my Nakamichi not have auto-record level? In-Reply-To: <10215908-C6F5-4739-B1D8-75C24EF6BA99@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <000901c6ad92$9a1844b0$66c4db40@CPQ16585250299> Thanks for your valuable comments. If I want to record a piece of pre-recorded music I listen to the loudest and softest spots of the entire piece of music and determine what the recording level is going to be but I do not understand how you can adjust the highest and lowest level at the same time ? I thought I can only adjust the level to one particular level ( normally the highest ) and then start recording and the recording level is stay at the same level for the entire piece of music. Please inform what am I missing from below. Thanks. Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 3:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Why Does my Nakamichi not have auto-record level? Should I be wishing for Automatic record level controls? No, not unless it's a recording you don't care about (like a lecture). My CRAIG porta-cassette has it--I'll trade it for your RX-303 :-). Seriously there are a few occasions where perhaps it can be useful for avoiding an absolute disaster. But (IMHO) proper recording technique never entails adjusting the level DURING the recording, which is essentially what this does. The situations where it's most useful are something where it's more important that you get a signal on a tape (such as a lecture) than that the signal be musically accurate. You might think it would be handy in a live recording where you only get one shot, but that's where you LEAST want to alter the dynamic range--that's the whole point of a live recording (or at least one of them). The Nak doesn't have it also because it doesn't need it as much as my Craig porta-cassette. I'll not comment on the Sony. Despite the cautions in the Nak manual, which are valid, don't be too paranoid about them. Also, if you're doing pre-recorded stuff, you shouldn't track the whole thing. Just pick the loudest and softest spots (usually the loudest) and adjust for so that the loudest parts don't peg the meters and the softest spots aren't buried in the hiss. But I'd rather have a recording with a touch of distortion on the top or tape hiss on the bottom than one that's been dynamically compressed by riding the record level during the recording, which is what automatic level control essentially does.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Sat Jul 22 21:11:55 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:11:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What is this? Message-ID: Does anyone know what a "Ferrograph Professional" is? It seems to be some sort of audio/tape service equipment. At the same time is a "Pearl RD-32" from 1958 mic of any interest? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From danbarham at aol.com Sat Jul 22 21:46:07 2006 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:46:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: 680 help In-Reply-To: <8C878F02E664F7F-5FC-18A10@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C878F02E664F7F-5FC-18A10@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C87BDE9BC79B4D-166C-2FCB@FWM-M26.sysops.aol.com> OK, I didn't get any responses to this at all while everyone was going back and forth about E-bay so I'll try it again. By the way, I have bought nearly all of my present system on E-bay and have never had a problem. I think if you steer clear of the listings from China and anything very high dollar and rare, you should be OK. Just my two cents. -----Original Message----- From: danbarham at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 9:14 PM Subject: 680 help Greetings all! I am a new member of the list and have a couple of questions. First, does anyone have a service manual for the 680? Not the ZX. I have the manual for the 680ZX already and yes, I know they are nearly identical except for the auto azimuth. Unfortunately, I need a part number for the Record Head manual adjustment knob and that's one of the few parts the 680ZX manual does not cover. Anyone know if this part is available anywhere? I may end up making my own if not. Second question. I'm sure this has been posted before but I have heard that the grease and oil for the transport mechanism is commonly available. White lithium grease and 3 in 1 machine oil? I'm trying to restore this 680 to nearly new, including cap replacement. In my tests of it so far, I have noticed a lot of electrical noise (hum) when monitoring the tape. It does not do this when monitoring from source. Any ideas? And finally, what test tapes are truly esential providing I do not mess with any of the heads adjustment? I have basic electronic test gear like a good multimeter, freq. counter, etc. Thanks so much in advance, I'm learning quite a bit about these fine classics from this forum in the short time I have been subscribing to it. Dan Barham Chicago, Illinois Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sat Jul 22 21:52:29 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:52:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What is this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44C281FD.6050205@caribsurf.com> Ferrograph made reel-to-reel tape recorders ..... Paul Tomas Larsson wrote: > Does anyone know what a "Ferrograph Professional" is? > It seems to be some sort of audio/tape service equipment. > > At the same time is a "Pearl RD-32" from 1958 mic of any interest? > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jul 22 21:59:25 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:59:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What is this? Message-ID: Hi Tom, A couple of preliminary stabs would be as follows: Ferrograph was a British company that made tape recorders - reel to reel ones and to my knowledge never got into cassette decks. I recall they soldiered on for a while but eventually were outclassed and of course out-marketed by others - mainly Japanese companies. "Pearl" was a name usually used by Olympus who had a small electronic division that dabbled in some consumer electronics. Although mainly an optical and camera company, they had a well made micro-cassette machine in their range for many years - the "Olympus Pearl-Corder". Whether they made microphones, I have no idea - they may have. Good luck!! Marc >>> tomas at tlec.se 7/22/2006 9:11 PM >>> Does anyone know what a "Ferrograph Professional" is? It seems to be some sort of audio/tape service equipment. At the same time is a "Pearl RD-32" from 1958 mic of any interest? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Jul 22 22:48:24 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:48:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Why Does my Nakamichi not have auto-record level? Message-ID: <7DD5BB18-76D6-42FA-8E4B-91EFEC0FD0C0@alumni.caltech.edu> > If I want to record a piece of > pre-recorded music I listen to the loudest and softest spots of the > entire > piece of music and determine what the recording level is going to > be but I > do not understand how you can adjust the highest and lowest level > at the > same time ? You're not missing anything; I'm just not clear in how I stated it. All I meant was that if the dynamic range of what you want to record is close to (or worse) exceeding the "dynamic range of the recording" (which is not a cast-in-concrete thing--the specs that are published have precise definitions but those may or may not match any particular person's hearing well), then fitting the piece within the available range on the tape is a compromise. Especially in the case it "exceeds" the "dynamic range of the tape" then you may have to choose between having *some* hiss in the quiet spots OR having *some* audible distortion in the louder spots; listening to both ends gives you a better idea of which you're more willing to tolerate. In the end you are just choosing a single value and going with it as you state; I'm just suggesting that listening at both ends of the dynamic range spectrum will give you a better idea of which (if necessary) of the rules you're more prepared to violate for this recording. Generally (and maybe as I've gotten older and less high-frequency sensitive), I tend to record toward the lower end of the dynamic range of the tape rather than as before when I'd try to squeeze as much signal on the tape even when I really didn't have to. That's just my preference now-a-days to avoid potential print-through and the like; it's not a rule and YMMV.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Jul 22 22:57:02 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:57:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: 680 help Message-ID: <21BDFB2D-63B9-4B27-B931-E3C1740C9BDB@alumni.caltech.edu> > does anyone have a service manual I thought Tomas had it on his site but I don't know for sure (www.naks.mine.nu) off the top of my head. As far as the oil goes, I think people look for light oils--not white lithium; more like watch oil (lighter than 3-in-one) depending. But I don't know this and will let the experts correct it. The grease I've seen inside is more hydrocarbon only based (closer to petroleum jelly, although I'm not necessarily recommending that) than white lithium or moly greases.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sun Jul 23 00:47:53 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:47:53 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] What is this? References: <200607222220.k6MMIpnO014841@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001101c6ade0$de253de0$0201a8c0@lan> Tomas, Chances are it is one of their early Reel to Reel recorders. BR Martin From tomas at tlec.se Sun Jul 23 00:32:44 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:32:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, this is definitly some kind of audio test equipment Re the Pearl mic, well, heres a link http://www7.tripnet.se/~jazz/equipm.htm With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc Hugo > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:59 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is this? > > Hi Tom, > > A couple of preliminary stabs would be as follows: > Ferrograph was a British company that made tape recorders - > reel to reel ones and to my knowledge never got into cassette decks. > > I recall they soldiered on for a while but eventually were > outclassed and of course out-marketed by others - mainly > Japanese companies. > > "Pearl" was a name usually used by Olympus who had a small > electronic division that dabbled in some consumer > electronics. Although mainly an optical and camera company, > they had a well made micro-cassette machine in their range > for many years - the "Olympus Pearl-Corder". Whether they > made microphones, I have no idea - they may have. > > Good luck!! > > Marc > > >>> tomas at tlec.se 7/22/2006 9:11 PM >>> > Does anyone know what a "Ferrograph Professional" is? > It seems to be some sort of audio/tape service equipment. > > At the same time is a "Pearl RD-32" from 1958 mic of any interest? > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and > may be subject to legal privilege. 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Name: Ferrograph.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 27358 bytes Desc: not available URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Jul 23 00:53:09 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:53:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: 680 help In-Reply-To: <21BDFB2D-63B9-4B27-B931-E3C1740C9BDB@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <21BDFB2D-63B9-4B27-B931-E3C1740C9BDB@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <44C2AC55.50806@cox.net> I've been using Singer sewing machine oil on both cassette decks and turntables for many years with no problems. It's noticeably lighter than 3 in 1. As for grease, I have a tube of Aladdin teflon-based stuff that works well and doesn't seem to thicken with age. I bought it at a pool store to use on seals and O-rings in pool hydraulics but discovered it works well on sliding surfaces, too. Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> does anyone have a service manual > > I thought Tomas had it on his site but I don't know for sure > (www.naks.mine.nu ) off the top of my head. > > As far as the oil goes, I think people look for light oils--not white > lithium; more like watch oil (lighter than 3-in-one) > depending. But I don't know this and will let the experts correct it. > The grease I've seen inside is more hydrocarbon > only based (closer to petroleum jelly, although I'm not necessarily > recommending that) than white lithium or moly greases.-kby > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From digitalvoice at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 05:49:59 2006 From: digitalvoice at yahoo.com (Digital Voice) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060723034959.27683.qmail@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Marc, Ferrograph made cassette recorders, under the brand name Neal-Ferrograph (I've got one of them, model 302). Victor ----- Original Message ---- From: Marc Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 3:59:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is this? Hi Tom, A couple of preliminary stabs would be as follows: Ferrograph was a British company that made tape recorders - reel to reel ones and to my knowledge never got into cassette decks. ....... From tomas at tlec.se Sun Jul 23 07:26:07 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:26:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Found out my self. It seems to be an test equipment for tape recorders "Ferrograph Recorder test set RTS2" It measures: Frequency Respons, Distortion, Drift, Sensitivity, S/N Ratio Wow and Flutter, Gain. Is this equipment worth anything? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc Hugo > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:59 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is this? > > Hi Tom, > > A couple of preliminary stabs would be as follows: > Ferrograph was a British company that made tape recorders - > reel to reel ones and to my knowledge never got into cassette decks. > > I recall they soldiered on for a while but eventually were > outclassed and of course out-marketed by others - mainly > Japanese companies. > > "Pearl" was a name usually used by Olympus who had a small > electronic division that dabbled in some consumer > electronics. Although mainly an optical and camera company, > they had a well made micro-cassette machine in their range > for many years - the "Olympus Pearl-Corder". Whether they > made microphones, I have no idea - they may have. > > Good luck!! > > Marc > > >>> tomas at tlec.se 7/22/2006 9:11 PM >>> > Does anyone know what a "Ferrograph Professional" is? > It seems to be some sort of audio/tape service equipment. > > At the same time is a "Pearl RD-32" from 1958 mic of any interest? > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and > may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, > which may include one or more attachments, is strictly > confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named > recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, > distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its > contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the > sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete > it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no > viruses are present in this email and the company cannot > accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the > use of this email or attachments. > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 23 13:43:37 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:43:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Very much so for Ferrograph collectors. You'll see their R2R machines still sell well on eBay. I think Kermit still uses a Ferrograph. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: 23 July 2006 06:26 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] What is this? Found out my self. It seems to be an test equipment for tape recorders "Ferrograph Recorder test set RTS2" It measures: Frequency Respons, Distortion, Drift, Sensitivity, S/N Ratio Wow and Flutter, Gain. Is this equipment worth anything? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc Hugo > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:59 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is this? > > Hi Tom, > > A couple of preliminary stabs would be as follows: > Ferrograph was a British company that made tape recorders - > reel to reel ones and to my knowledge never got into cassette decks. > > I recall they soldiered on for a while but eventually were > outclassed and of course out-marketed by others - mainly > Japanese companies. > > "Pearl" was a name usually used by Olympus who had a small > electronic division that dabbled in some consumer > electronics. Although mainly an optical and camera company, > they had a well made micro-cassette machine in their range > for many years - the "Olympus Pearl-Corder". Whether they > made microphones, I have no idea - they may have. > > Good luck!! > > Marc > > >>> tomas at tlec.se 7/22/2006 9:11 PM >>> > Does anyone know what a "Ferrograph Professional" is? > It seems to be some sort of audio/tape service equipment. > > At the same time is a "Pearl RD-32" from 1958 mic of any interest? > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and > may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, > which may include one or more attachments, is strictly > confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named > recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, > distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its > contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the > sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete > it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no > viruses are present in this email and the company cannot > accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the > use of this email or attachments. > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From danbarham at aol.com Sun Jul 23 17:01:26 2006 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:01:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 help Message-ID: <8C87C80016FD348-7B4-B20C@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> Thanks to Tim and Kimo for your replies on the grease and oil. Seems like sewing machine oil is agreed on so I'll get some of that. Another thought I had on the grease was clear silicone grease which is sometimes used for car door weatherstripping and similar to dielectric "tune-up" grease. Any thoughts or experience with that?I looked at Tomas' site for a 680 manual but he only has the 680ZX manual, which I already have. I am looking for a part number for the record head azimuth adjustment knob, which as you probably know, is nearly the only difference between the 680 and 680ZX. This is the only part I need. Finally, does my problem of electrical hum noise coming through from tape monitoting sound like orange cap disease? Thanks in advance. Dan Barham Chicago, Illinois ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Jul 24 01:24:26 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:24:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts... a motor for my 550 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060521152628.0082e520@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060519155708.00822640@earthlink.net> <446E0251.7070807@woods-and-waters.com> <3.0.3.32.20060519155708.00822640@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060521152628.0082e520@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44C4052A.4040301@snet.net> Hi Tom, I was just wondering if you still have this motor and would be willing to part with it. I'm just about ready to tear open my 250 for the motor, but would rather not if at all possible. Thanks, Ed Hi Tech wrote: >If the generic motor is MHX-8B2RSN on the motor label I have a used one. >email hitech77 at earthlink.net off list, so we don't bore people. > >tom brucker > > > > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 24 02:06:04 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:06:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060723190604.00b18448@pop.earthlink.net> You are correct. Tilt was checked with the "InformationTerminals " gauge. This is known as a master plane jig, and had a feeler gauge for guide height, head penetration, and could be used to set tilt by eye. I don't know if it is still produced. You had to remove the transport so you could see the heads from the side, load the gauge, and backlight the feeler as it is carefully, so as not to scratch, held against the head. The light gap had to be as straight as possible. BTW, guides were fixed on play heads, so the guide height had to be set with shims...and I doubt anyone has very many in stock. tom brucker At 08:51 PM 7/21/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Question on the tilt adjustment: I notice that the 700 II manual >makes no mention of it >(or the fancy tilt check gauge, which I assume the 700 II pre-dates. >How was it done then?-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 24 02:13:22 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:13:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What is this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060723191322.00b18448@pop.earthlink.net> This is a self contained 2 piece audio test system. The distortion test is manually tuned. This would be great for the hobbyist or pro. tom brucker At 07:26 AM 7/23/2006 +0200, you wrote: >Found out my self. >It seems to be an test equipment for tape recorders > >"Ferrograph Recorder test set RTS2" > >It measures: >Frequency Respons, Distortion, Drift, Sensitivity, S/N Ratio >Wow and Flutter, Gain. > >Is this equipment worth anything? > > > > >With best regards > >Tomas Larsson >Sweden > >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc Hugo >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:59 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is this? >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> A couple of preliminary stabs would be as follows: >> Ferrograph was a British company that made tape recorders - >> reel to reel ones and to my knowledge never got into cassette decks. >> >> I recall they soldiered on for a while but eventually were >> outclassed and of course out-marketed by others - mainly >> Japanese companies. >> >> "Pearl" was a name usually used by Olympus who had a small >> electronic division that dabbled in some consumer >> electronics. Although mainly an optical and camera company, >> they had a well made micro-cassette machine in their range >> for many years - the "Olympus Pearl-Corder". Whether they >> made microphones, I have no idea - they may have. >> >> Good luck!! >> >> Marc >> >> >>> tomas at tlec.se 7/22/2006 9:11 PM >>> >> Does anyone know what a "Ferrograph Professional" is? >> It seems to be some sort of audio/tape service equipment. >> >> At the same time is a "Pearl RD-32" from 1958 mic of any interest? >> >> >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain >> your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> >> The information contained in this email is confidential and >> may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, >> which may include one or more attachments, is strictly >> confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named >> recipient/s. >> >> If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, >> distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its >> contents or take any action in reliance on it. >> If you have received this email in error, please email the >> sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete >> it and all attachments from your computer. >> >> All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no >> viruses are present in this email and the company cannot >> accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the >> use of this email or attachments. >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain >> your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 24 02:17:35 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:17:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts... a motor for my 550 In-Reply-To: <44C4052A.4040301@snet.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060521152628.0082e520@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060519155708.00822640@earthlink.net> <446E0251.7070807@woods-and-waters.com> <3.0.3.32.20060519155708.00822640@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060521152628.0082e520@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060723191735.00b18448@pop.earthlink.net> yes I have it. Are you in the US or international? I was thinking $16 postpaid. paypal at hitech77 at earthlink.net. If you are international, then I'll have to ship it and figure out the postage. tom At 07:24 PM 7/23/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Tom, > >I was just wondering if you still have this motor and would be willing >to part with it. I'm just about ready to tear open my 250 for the motor, >but would rather not if at all possible. > >Thanks, Ed > >Hi Tech wrote: > >>If the generic motor is MHX-8B2RSN on the motor label I have a used one. >>email hitech77 at earthlink.net off list, so we don't bore people. >> >>tom brucker >> >> >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Jul 23 23:48:50 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:48:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Line level powered Monitors for Recording Message-ID: I'm really glad to tell you all about these new Tube Audio Research Powered speakers I just came by. They are for Line level monitoring of tape deck recording. This does away with my reciever to amplify the source to passive monitors when recording to the tape deck , which degrades the signal . I also have a Furman SRM80-a Signal Router/ Monitor which has a headphone amplifier, and this can also be used in the chain,at what loss of resolution I do not know. I did a long comparison of my three head JVC TDV-711 and My two head Nakamichi RX303 last evening, and I could hardly decide which deck was better. Thats a good thing, because I can use the three head JVC as the record deck and the two head Nak. as the Play deck, allowing me to monitor the recording through my New Tube Audio Research Monitors! Heres a few pics of the Monitors. They are very nice looking and sound very good. Is any one else using powered monitors for studio recording? http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/dickdog1/jerr021.jpg http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/dickdog1/jerr020.jpg http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/dickdog1/jerr019.jpg -- From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jul 24 03:58:49 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:58:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success Message-ID: <37884AFC-A724-4A6F-8B6B-76DAF188111E@alumni.caltech.edu> > Tilt was checked with the "InformationTerminals " gauge. > This is known as a master plane jig, and had a feeler gauge for guide > height, head penetration, and could be used to set tilt by eye. I > don't > know if it is still produced. Thanks--I do see the gauge you are speaking about (at least a drawing of it in the manual). It says it's the M-300 model. The manual just talks about using it for tape guide height adjustment though, hence one reason I asked. Other reason, obviously, was looking for a more readily available thing than the DA9039A. Actually, from the previous discussion I started here about the gauges, the Turkish guy's price on this particular item doesn't seem that bad ($113), but I don't like the fact that I've not dealt with him, his other stuff is expensive, he's international, and mostly (but in conjunction with the above) that he only takes Western Union, cash, or wire transfer (i.e. services with no buyer protection).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 24 15:27:59 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:27:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success In-Reply-To: <37884AFC-A724-4A6F-8B6B-76DAF188111E@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060724082759.00833350@earthlink.net> There are 2 head and 3 head tilt gauges, so be sure you get the correct gauge. I don't like the same seller's listing of cleaning cloths, etc, for so much money. Since the listing persists, maybe he'll do a real auction, or be revealed as a fraud. Using the M300 for tilt is my own invention. I use it on bent non-Nak heads that occasionally come in. The M300 can also align bent reel spindles. I may be able to set up a gauge loaner program...stay tuned. tom brucker At 06:58 PM 7/23/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tilt was checked with the "InformationTerminals " gauge. This is known as a master plane jig, and had a feeler gauge for guide height, head penetration, and could be used to set tilt by eye.  I don't know if it is still produced.  Thanks--I do see the gauge you are speaking about (at least a drawing of it in the manual). It says it's the M-300 model. The manual just talks about using it for tape guide height adjustment though, hence one reason I asked. Other reason, obviously, was looking for a more readily available thing than the DA9039A. Actually, from the previous discussion I started here about the gauges, the Turkish guy's price on this particular item doesn't seem that bad  ($113), but I don't like the fact that I've not dealt with him, his other stuff is expensive, he's international, and mostly (but in conjunction with the above) that he only takes Western Union, cash, or wire transfer (i.e. services with no buyer protection).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From andrewspencer at eircom.net Mon Jul 24 16:26:14 2006 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:26:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dead CR7A Message-ID: <001301c6af2d$1e92bcc0$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> I recently sold a CR7A to a guy in Switzerland which was working perfectly when it was packaged up a couple of weeks ago. The deck was delivered today but I have been advised that the deck is not powering up, which is very dissappointing for the buyer and myself. He is going to get an audio engineer to have a look at the unit, can anyone suggest the possible cause of this problem so I can advise the engineer where to start his diagnosis. Has anyone got a copy of the Service Manual in PDF format that I could email to him? Any help appreciated. Regards. Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 17:07:18 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:07:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dead CR7A In-Reply-To: <001301c6af2d$1e92bcc0$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> References: <001301c6af2d$1e92bcc0$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> Message-ID: <518b7b10607240807l25d7e938r79a1b6c2ad583805@mail.gmail.com> I assume he did not plug it in straight into the 240V net, however it is still likely that a fuse in the power supply could be broken in transit - happened to me with a B-215 I got from the US. These are the painfully obvious options, hard to guess about anything else without opening the deck up. I haven't looked myself for this particular one, but did you check Tomas' site for a manual ? George On 7/24/06, Andy wrote: > > I recently sold a CR7A to a guy in Switzerland which was working perfectly > when it was packaged up a couple of weeks ago. > > The deck was delivered today but I have been advised that the deck is not > powering up, which is very dissappointing for the buyer and myself. > > He is going to get an audio engineer to have a look at the unit, can anyone > suggest the possible cause of this problem so I can advise the engineer > where to start his diagnosis. > > Has anyone got a copy of the Service Manual in PDF format that I could email > to him? > > Any help appreciated. > > Regards. > > Andy > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Jul 24 18:09:37 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:09:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success References: <37884AFC-A724-4A6F-8B6B-76DAF188111E@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <001201c6af3b$91a63d00$d0d117c4@home> I have bought many an item from the 'Turkish guy' and never had a problem.Bearing in mind they were Turkey/South African transactions with their concommitant postal remoteness this is very positive.I do think his prices are way TOO HIGH on everything he sells.If you really want something he has you will, I suppose ,fork out the excessive price!! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success Tilt was checked with the "InformationTerminals " gauge. This is known as a master plane jig, and had a feeler gauge for guide height, head penetration, and could be used to set tilt by eye. I don't know if it is still produced. Thanks--I do see the gauge you are speaking about (at least a drawing of it in the manual). It says it's the M-300 model. The manual just talks about using it for tape guide height adjustment though, hence one reason I asked. Other reason, obviously, was looking for a more readily available thing than the DA9039A. Actually, from the previous discussion I started here about the gauges, the Turkish guy's price on this particular item doesn't seem that bad ($113), but I don't like the fact that I've not dealt with him, his other stuff is expensive, he's international, and mostly (but in conjunction with the above) that he only takes Western Union, cash, or wire transfer (i.e. services with no buyer protection).-kby ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Jul 24 18:16:15 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:16:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dead CR7A References: <001301c6af2d$1e92bcc0$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> Message-ID: <002b01c6af3c$7ea06fe0$d0d117c4@home> I dont think the Swiss national grid operates at the CR7A Voltage(120V?) His will be 230 or 240 Volts.I hope the thing has not been 'cooked' already if the wrong Voltage was used!This is the first obvious thing to check. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dead CR7A I recently sold a CR7A to a guy in Switzerland which was working perfectly when it was packaged up a couple of weeks ago. The deck was delivered today but I have been advised that the deck is not powering up, which is very dissappointing for the buyer and myself. He is going to get an audio engineer to have a look at the unit, can anyone suggest the possible cause of this problem so I can advise the engineer where to start his diagnosis. Has anyone got a copy of the Service Manual in PDF format that I could email to him? Any help appreciated. Regards. Andy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 24 17:16:13 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:16:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dead CR7A In-Reply-To: <001301c6af2d$1e92bcc0$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> References: <001301c6af2d$1e92bcc0$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> Message-ID: <44C4E43D.3060506@rcn.com> The CR-7A accepts a line voltage of 110VAC. Did the buyer plug it into 230V? If so, result would be blown fuses (best case) or damage. It's possible fuses worked their way out of fuse clips on the fuse board due to vibration during transport. A long shot (but remotely possible) is a damaged power switch. These shouldn't happen if the deck was packaged properly. Any of these can be easily verified by the service tech. -- Ron Andy wrote: > I recently sold a CR7A to a guy in Switzerland which was working > perfectly when it was packaged up a couple of weeks ago. > > The deck was delivered today but I have been advised that the deck is > not powering up, which is very dissappointing for the buyer and myself. > > He is going to get an audio engineer to have a look at the unit, can > anyone suggest the possible cause of this problem so I can advise the > engineer where to start his diagnosis. > > Has anyone got a copy of the Service Manual in PDF format that I could > email to him? > > Any help appreciated. > > Regards. > > Andy > > From DM2 at marctronixx.com Mon Jul 24 17:17:41 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:17:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dead CR7A In-Reply-To: <518b7b10607240807l25d7e938r79a1b6c2ad583805@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Worse case it could be a DOA power supply. Power supplies will fail over time. From andrewspencer at eircom.net Mon Jul 24 17:19:17 2006 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:19:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dead CR7A References: <001301c6af2d$1e92bcc0$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> <518b7b10607240807l25d7e938r79a1b6c2ad583805@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c6af34$87cee040$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> George Thanks for your reply. No the unit was supplied with a Step Down Transformer and he tried the unit out with other SDT's aswell so the problem doesn't lie there. A fuse in the power supply would be a good place to start, I'll suggest that first. I've checked Tomas' site but unfortunately he dosen't have the swervice manual for the CR7. Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "george valkov" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead CR7A >I assume he did not plug it in straight into the 240V net, however it > is still likely that a fuse in the power supply could be broken in > transit - happened to me with a B-215 I got from the US. These are the > painfully obvious options, hard to guess about anything else without > opening the deck up. I haven't looked myself for this particular one, > but did you check Tomas' site for a manual ? > > George > > On 7/24/06, Andy wrote: >> >> I recently sold a CR7A to a guy in Switzerland which was working >> perfectly >> when it was packaged up a couple of weeks ago. >> >> The deck was delivered today but I have been advised that the deck is not >> powering up, which is very dissappointing for the buyer and myself. >> >> He is going to get an audio engineer to have a look at the unit, can >> anyone >> suggest the possible cause of this problem so I can advise the engineer >> where to start his diagnosis. >> >> Has anyone got a copy of the Service Manual in PDF format that I could >> email >> to him? >> >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Regards. >> >> Andy >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jul 24 18:35:44 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:35:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success Message-ID: <7C906D70-DC28-4F73-810D-5A131C4731B7@alumni.caltech.edu> > I have bought many an item from the 'Turkish guy' and never had a problem.Bearing in mind they were Turkey/South African transactions with their concommitant postal remoteness this is very positive.I do think his prices are way TOO HIGH on everything he sells.If you really want something he has you will, I suppose ,fork out the excessive price!! > Walter > Thanks; that is useful for me to know—somehow knowing at least one person that got what the expected. The prices are an odd thing. There are, as everyone has noticed, a lot of things that are WAY out of line (like the cleaning cloths), and often minor parts. The T-100, well, maybe it is and maybe it isn't if its condition is as he says, but its definitely more than the average working T100 in good condition. I don't know if he uses a lot of the stuff as just a front for what he really wants to sell, but the prices never seem to change much given that they never sell on e-bay, which is actually quite an accomplishment (you can usually find ONE person somewhere who's desperate or uninformed enough to bite). On the other hand, with what Kannan and Tom both said about the prices for sets of gauges when they were "available" through normal channels, and adjusting for all the usual fudge factors and stuff to 'current market value' at least some of those don't seem too bad.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jul 24 22:12:54 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:12:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Line level powered Monitors for Recording Message-ID: I'm not personally familiar with the Tube Audio Research powered speakers, but it sounds to me more like your receiver or hookup has an issue. It certainly shouldn't sound any worse "monitoring" a recording than playing it back--is this recording with mics or electronic instruments/pre-recorded stuff-- only in the case of the mics should it possibly be "different". As far as powered speakers IN GENERAL I would like to think that (all other things being equal) there are less compromises involved in making something that's intended for amplification and putting it in a box with appropriate power supply and heat sinking for the amplification task, and in addition designing the speaker cabs for the standpoint of dealing with driver resonances and other "speaker issues" than trying to design the same circuit to fit within the parameters of living inside (even a larger) speaker box and conversely having to compromise the speaker box to deal with added electronics, power, and cooling. Just my 2 cents worth.-kby From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 23:47:22 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Line level powered Monitors for Recording In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060724214722.1718.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmmmmm. Speakers with built in tube amplifiers. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Tubes can be very microphonic (sensitive to vibration) and unless the speaker is made out of stone or lead its going to vibrate and unless the tubes are selected for zero microphonics it's going to cause problems. Just my take on them. SJ --- jerryjg wrote: > I'm really glad to tell you all about these new Tube Audio Research > Powered speakers I just came by. They are for Line level > monitoring of > tape deck recording. This does away with my reciever to amplify the > source > to passive monitors when recording to the tape deck , which > degrades the signal . I also have a Furman SRM80-a Signal Router/ > Monitor > which has a headphone amplifier, and this can also be used in the > chain,at > what loss of resolution I do not know. I did a long comparison of > my > three head JVC TDV-711 and My two head Nakamichi RX303 last > evening, and > I could hardly decide which deck was better. Thats a good thing, > because I > can use the three head JVC as the record deck and the two head Nak. > as the > Play deck, allowing me to monitor the recording through my New Tube > Audio > Research Monitors! Heres a few pics of the Monitors. They are very > nice > looking and sound very good. Is any one else using powered monitors > for > studio recording? > http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/dickdog1/jerr021.jpg > http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/dickdog1/jerr020.jpg > http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/dickdog1/jerr019.jpg > > > -- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Jul 25 02:48:37 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:48:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Line level powered Monitors for Recording In-Reply-To: <20060724214722.1718.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060724214722.1718.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes. The tube speakers are very heavy- 15+ pounds. They wont go very loud at 10 watts, and they are small with the 3 & 1/2 inch woofer. I got them nearly new for 175.00 off Craigslist, so I am pretty confidant that they are probably as good or better than any Powered monitor this side of a Mackie or something. Getting back to Nak-talk, Kimo, did you mean that there is no real reason to run your source direct line in to your recorder? I belive that there has been some advice to the contrary, that is, to avoid running the signal through a reciever or mixer to get the most pure signal. I'm not sure if I understood you. Thanks On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:47:22 -0500, Scott Johnson wrote: > Hmmmmm. Speakers with built in tube amplifiers. Doesn't sound like > a good idea to me. Tubes can be very microphonic (sensitive to > vibration) and unless the speaker is made out of stone or lead its > going to vibrate and unless the tubes are selected for zero > microphonics it's going to cause problems. > > Just my take on them. > > SJ > > --- jerryjg wrote: > >> I'm really glad to tell you all about these new Tube Audio Research >> Powered speakers I just came by. They are for Line level >> monitoring of >> tape deck recording. This does away with my reciever to amplify the >> source >> to passive monitors when recording to the tape deck , which >> degrades the signal . I also have a Furman SRM80-a Signal Router/ >> Monitor >> which has a headphone amplifier, and this can also be used in the >> chain,at >> what loss of resolution I do not know. I did a long comparison of >> my >> three head JVC TDV-711 and My two head Nakamichi RX303 last >> evening, and >> I could hardly decide which deck was better. Thats a good thing, >> because I >> can use the three head JVC as the record deck and the two head Nak. >> as the >> Play deck, allowing me to monitor the recording through my New Tube >> Audio >> Research Monitors! Heres a few pics of the Monitors. They are very >> nice >> looking and sound very good. Is any one else using powered monitors >> for >> studio recording? >> http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/dickdog1/jerr021.jpg >> http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/dickdog1/jerr020.jpg >> http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/dickdog1/jerr019.jpg >> >> >> -- >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jul 25 09:33:53 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:33:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Line level powered Monitors for Recording In-Reply-To: References: <20060724214722.1718.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44C5C961.1080007@peromarta.org> Some thoughts: 1.- My money would never go to tubes on a speaker, no matter size, price, power or esoteric brochures. I keep my tube gear on suspended racks to avoid microphony, diaphony, and other harming vibrations. 2.- Active speakers are as passive as any other, it just has an amp integrated in the box. I'd be more concerned about coupling the output impedance os the deck and the input impedance of the speakers. 3.- Regarding monitor signal "degradation", makes little sense to me, 'cause a 1% distorted signal - like a tape recorder produces in best cases - won't be too much more degradated by routing it trough an wire/amp/wire. 4.- Same applies for the "direct source connection" to tape deck. Most preamps route the source signal straight to rec-out connectors, (except some preamps - mostly AV - that buffer all inputs beforehand), so the only degradation you may get is probably that extra run of cable. Again, compared to the 1% distorsion of the cassette itself, is peanuts. 5.- My feeling is that a properly cleaned, demag'ed, adjusted and calibrated 303, beats any other brand of cassette deck hands down. Further more, delete 303 and write Nak instead. My 2c. LP. jerryjg wrote: > Yes. The tube speakers are very heavy- 15+ pounds. They > wont go very loud at 10 watts, and they are small with the 3 & 1/2 inch > woofer. I got them nearly new for 175.00 off Craigslist, so I am pretty > confidant that they are probably as good or better than any Powered > monitor this side of a Mackie or something. Getting back to Nak-talk, > Kimo, did you mean that there is no real reason to run your source > direct line in to your recorder? I belive that there has been some > advice to the contrary, that is, to avoid running the signal through a > reciever or mixer to get the most pure signal. I'm not sure if I > understood you. > Thanks > On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:47:22 -0500, Scott Johnson wrote: > >> Hmmmmm. Speakers with built in tube amplifiers. Doesn't sound like >> a good idea to me. Tubes can be very microphonic (sensitive to >> vibration) and unless the speaker is made out of stone or lead its >> going to vibrate and unless the tubes are selected for zero >> microphonics it's going to cause problems. >> >> Just my take on them. >> >> SJ >> >> --- jerryjg wrote: >> >>> I'm really glad to tell you all about these new Tube Audio Research >>> Powered speakers I just came by. They are for Line level >>> monitoring of >>> tape deck recording. This does away with my reciever to amplify the >>> source >>> to passive monitors when recording to the tape deck , which >>> degrades the signal . I also have a Furman SRM80-a Signal Router/ >>> Monitor >>> which has a headphone amplifier, and this can also be used in the >>> chain,at >>> what loss of resolution I do not know. I did a long comparison of >>> my >>> three head JVC TDV-711 and My two head Nakamichi RX303 last >>> evening, and >>> I could hardly decide which deck was better. Thats a good thing, >>> because I >>> can use the three head JVC as the record deck and the two head Nak. >>> as the >>> Play deck, allowing me to monitor the recording through my New Tube >>> Audio >>> Research Monitors! Heres a few pics of the Monitors. They are very >>> nice >>> looking and sound very good. Is any one else using powered monitors >>> for >>> studio recording? >>> http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/dickdog1/jerr021.jpg >>> http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/dickdog1/jerr020.jpg >>> http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/dickdog1/jerr019.jpg >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From leohilarious at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 16:21:44 2006 From: leohilarious at yahoo.com (Leohilarious) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:21:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 4-track cassette deck? Message-ID: <44C628F8.7080405@yahoo.com> I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but did Nakamichi ever make a 4-track cassette deck? I haven't seen any mention of one so I'm assuming not. The reason I ask is that I have some wonderful old 4-track cassette masters from a friend's band recorded on a Tascam 4-track machine. I'm trying to master these to CD and I had the brilliant idea of using my MR-1 to play back the tapes two tracks at a time (tracks 3&4 being played backwards of course, but reversed in Sound Forge). The problem of course is that due to slight speed variations on playback, this is a nightmare to sync up. I also have a Tascam 4-track but the Nakamichi just blows it out of the water quality-wise so I'm trying to figure out how I can use my Nak instead. If anyone has any advice or has heard of a fabled Nakamichi 4-track somewhere, please let me know. Thanks! Leo From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 19:12:35 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 4-track cassette deck? In-Reply-To: <44C628F8.7080405@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060725171235.56625.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you only want to playback 4-tracks then the Dragon (and it's car deck little brother, the TD-1200) have 4-track heads(actually 6 tracks, but, the extra two are for NAAC), but, there are only two playback head amplifiers. If you could built a 2nd set of amplifiers then it could do what you want, but, it will be a lot of work. No other Nak deck that I'm aware of has 4-track heads. SJ --- Leohilarious wrote: > I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but did Nakamichi ever > make a > 4-track cassette deck? I haven't seen any mention of one so I'm > assuming not. The reason I ask is that I have some wonderful old > 4-track cassette masters from a friend's band recorded on a Tascam > 4-track machine. I'm trying to master these to CD and I had the > brilliant idea of using my MR-1 to play back the tapes two tracks > at a > time (tracks 3&4 being played backwards of course, but reversed in > Sound > Forge). The problem of course is that due to slight speed > variations on > playback, this is a nightmare to sync up. I also have a Tascam > 4-track > but the Nakamichi just blows it out of the water quality-wise so > I'm > trying to figure out how I can use my Nak instead. If anyone has > any > advice or has heard of a fabled Nakamichi 4-track somewhere, please > let > me know. Thanks! > > Leo > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jul 25 19:26:46 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:26:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 4-track cassette deck? In-Reply-To: <20060725171235.56625.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060725171235.56625.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44C65456.2020402@peromarta.org> Or use 2 dragons and make a temporary head conection from one head to the other deck ;) LP. Scott Johnson wrote: > If you only want to playback 4-tracks then the Dragon (and it's car > deck little brother, the TD-1200) have 4-track heads(actually 6 > tracks, but, the extra two are for NAAC), but, there are only two > playback head amplifiers. If you could built a 2nd set of amplifiers > then it could do what you want, but, it will be a lot of work. No > other Nak deck that I'm aware of has 4-track heads. > > SJ > > --- Leohilarious wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but did Nakamichi ever >> make a >> 4-track cassette deck? I haven't seen any mention of one so I'm >> assuming not. The reason I ask is that I have some wonderful old >> 4-track cassette masters from a friend's band recorded on a Tascam >> 4-track machine. I'm trying to master these to CD and I had the >> brilliant idea of using my MR-1 to play back the tapes two tracks >> at a >> time (tracks 3&4 being played backwards of course, but reversed in >> Sound >> Forge). The problem of course is that due to slight speed >> variations on >> playback, this is a nightmare to sync up. I also have a Tascam >> 4-track >> but the Nakamichi just blows it out of the water quality-wise so >> I'm >> trying to figure out how I can use my Nak instead. If anyone has >> any >> advice or has heard of a fabled Nakamichi 4-track somewhere, please >> let >> me know. Thanks! >> >> Leo >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 21:00:36 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 4-track cassette deck? In-Reply-To: <44C65456.2020402@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20060725190036.51526.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> SInce Dragon has 4 heads and 4 play back amplifiers - modify the circuit - only for playback - take the output from the other amplifiers ( they are muted by simple CMOS bilateral switches after basic amplification even though the playback amplifiers are actually active. Only problem with this arrangement will be Dolby circuit - there are only two DOLBY play circuits active. Build seperate circuits or use it with external DOLBY units. It is doable Kannan Luis Peromarta wrote: Or use 2 dragons and make a temporary head conection from one head to the other deck ;) LP. Scott Johnson wrote: > If you only want to playback 4-tracks then the Dragon (and it's car > deck little brother, the TD-1200) have 4-track heads(actually 6 > tracks, but, the extra two are for NAAC), but, there are only two > playback head amplifiers. If you could built a 2nd set of amplifiers > then it could do what you want, but, it will be a lot of work. No > other Nak deck that I'm aware of has 4-track heads. > > SJ > > --- Leohilarious wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but did Nakamichi ever >> make a >> 4-track cassette deck? I haven't seen any mention of one so I'm >> assuming not. The reason I ask is that I have some wonderful old >> 4-track cassette masters from a friend's band recorded on a Tascam >> 4-track machine. I'm trying to master these to CD and I had the >> brilliant idea of using my MR-1 to play back the tapes two tracks >> at a >> time (tracks 3&4 being played backwards of course, but reversed in >> Sound >> Forge). The problem of course is that due to slight speed >> variations on >> playback, this is a nightmare to sync up. I also have a Tascam >> 4-track >> but the Nakamichi just blows it out of the water quality-wise so >> I'm >> trying to figure out how I can use my Nak instead. If anyone has >> any >> advice or has heard of a fabled Nakamichi 4-track somewhere, please >> let >> me know. Thanks! >> >> Leo >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jul 25 18:32:18 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:32:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Line level powered Monitors for Recording Message-ID: <2B506947-8288-4581-A2A4-6E72E65E13A6@alumni.caltech.edu> > Kimo, did you mean that > there is no real reason to run your source direct line in to your > recorder? No, I agree that the input should go direct to the recorder. It's that you were talking about MONITORING the sound via the receiver to the speakers, so I presume you have either (1) the output of the deck hooked to a receiver hooked to passive receivers; or (2) you have the output of the deck hooked to these line-level tube speakers. Either of these two setups would also work for just listening to the tape after it was recorded. With a 3-head deck, it should make no difference whether you are monitoring or playing back; either setup should sound the same monitoring as the same setup does playing back. It sounded like you were saying that with choice #1, the monitored sound was lousy, but also implyiing (not directly stating) that the sound playing back with choice #1 was OK; those two statements together don't make sense (at least with the 3-head setup and monitoring off the tape).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jul 25 18:44:28 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:44:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 4-track cassette deck? Message-ID: Well, a Dragon has a 4-track head, which is the most difficult part, but it probably doesn't have enough of the playback circuitry duplicated to 4 channels...-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jul 25 22:29:58 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:29:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 help Message-ID: > Thanks to Tim and Kimo for your replies on the grease and oil. > Seems like sewing machine oil is agreed on so I'll get some of > that. Another thought I had on the grease was clear silicone grease > which is sometimes used for car door weatherstripping and similar > to dielectric "tune-up" grease. Any thoughts or experience with > that?I looked at Tomas' site for a 680 manual but he only has the > 680ZX manual, which I already have. I am looking for a part number > for the record head azimuth adjustment knob, which as you probably > know, is nearly the only difference between the 680 and 680ZX. This > is the only part I need. Finally, does my problem of electrical hum > noise coming through from tape monitoting sound like orange cap > disease? Thanks in advance. Where are you trying to grease? I wouldn't normally think of hum as an orange cap problem--maybe the power supply electrolytics, but not the orange ones. But I'm far from the expert on that. Is in in the headphones with the deck not connected to anything else? If it's only when it's connected to something else, then a grounding issue between the components is where I'd look first.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jul 26 12:09:01 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:09:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-300 speed accuracy (final chapter) Message-ID: <20060726100901.73300.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I thought I'd finish off this tale. Last night I dug out my CD and prerecorded tape of Neil Young's "Harvest Moon" - one of the few albums I still own in both formats. I let the Nak warm up first, bearing in mind some advice I had from a member of this list. It was tricky to cue the starts up, but by the end of a 5-minute song, the Nak is a little over 0.5 seconds ahead (I estimate, for this is hard to time). My math brain isn't great but I calculate it's fast by 0.1% to 0.2% and therefore within the tolerances that list members have indicated are acceptable is a real-world situation. Without the correct test tape and counter (or maybe even with them) I'd go nuts trying to make a more accurate measurement than this. Using a 329.63 Hz tone recorded on my Aiwa AD-WX 929 and played back on the Nakamichi, I was able to use a tuning fork producing the same frequency to adjust the speed of the Nak to play tapes recorded on the (slower) Aiwa. These are unsophisticated methods but I've reached a situation I'm reasonably content with. I'd like to thank all the list members whose advice made me think seriously about just how far I ought to go in the pursuit of speed accuracy. Maybe it's time I got back to enjoying just how good this deck sounds... Chris From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jul 26 18:24:33 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:24:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-300 speed accuracy (Appendix 1) Message-ID: That would be well within the tolerance of doing the measurement that way. Keep in mind that although I have rarely found it so, some commercial media are actually off. I would like to think, though, that the master tape is probably OK at least relative to what it's played back on, so any variations are introduced in the manufacturing. As an examjple, I have a vinyl copy of the Beethoven 9th conducted by Toscanini that fits on 1 LP, unusual for when it was produced. Part of the reason is it's mono, part is because it's probably somewhat compressed dynamically, and finally, it appears that part is because it's about 6% fast, Which I can tell because that makes it about a half-step high, and I have absolute pitch to within about a quarter-tone (3%).-kby From leohilarious at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 00:55:48 2006 From: leohilarious at yahoo.com (Leohilarious) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:55:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi 4-track cassette deck? In-Reply-To: <200607261001.k6QA0ZPY032513@zxe.naks.com> References: <200607261001.k6QA0ZPY032513@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <44C7F2F4.4040806@yahoo.com> Thanks for the info - I didn't realize that the Dragon had four heads, but it sounds like a major project to modify one to allow 4-track playback. Another thought struck me though, do any of the Naks have absolute constant playback speed? If my MR-1 would play the EXACT same speed every time, then this wouldn't be a problem for me to sync up the tracks. But even a small variation in playback speed of .3% can really screw up the sync. Thanks again, Leo > Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:12:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 4-track cassette deck? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20060725171235.56625.qmail at web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > If you only want to playback 4-tracks then the Dragon (and it's car > deck little brother, the TD-1200) have 4-track heads(actually 6 > tracks, but, the extra two are for NAAC), but, there are only two > playback head amplifiers. If you could built a 2nd set of amplifiers > then it could do what you want, but, it will be a lot of work. No > other Nak deck that I'm aware of has 4-track heads. > > SJ > From danbarham at aol.com Thu Jul 27 04:41:07 2006 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:41:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 help Message-ID: <8C87F3D3F0EABBD-A8C-3649@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> I would like to disassemble the entire transport, clean each piece and reassemble with the new grease and oil and new belts and idler. I won't touch the head alignment as I don't have the alignment tapes to put it back correctly. That's why I was asking about the grease and oil. Similar to what Luis Peromarta did with his 600II. Would this even be recommended or am I simply opening a can of worms here? As to your second question, the hum is through the headphones or line out, but only when monitoring from tape. When monitoring from source it is beautifully clear. I was thinking power supply or ground issue myself but I didn't know if someone would know right off the bat. Thanks. Dan Barham Chicago, Illinois, USA Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:29:58 -0700 From: "Kimo B. Yap" Subject: [naktalk] 680 help To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Thanks to Tim and Kimo for your replies on the grease and oil. > Seems like sewing machine oil is agreed on so I'll get some of > that. Another thought I had on the grease was clear silicone grease > which is sometimes used for car door weatherstripping and similar > to dielectric "tune-up" grease. Any thoughts or experience with > that?I looked at Tomas' site for a 680 manual but he only has the > 680ZX manual, which I already have. I am looking for a part number > for the record head azimuth adjustment knob, which as you probably > know, is nearly the only difference between the 680 and 680ZX. This > is the only part I need. Finally, does my problem of electrical hum > noise coming through from tape monitoting sound like orange cap > disease? Thanks in advance. Where are you trying to grease? I wouldn't normally think of hum as an orange cap problem--maybe the power supply electrolytics, but not the orange ones. But I'm far from the expert on that. Is in in the headphones with the deck not connected to anything else? If it's only when it's connected to something else, then a grounding issue between the components is where I'd look first.-kby ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 12:17:57 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680 help In-Reply-To: <8C87F3D3F0EABBD-A8C-3649@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20060727101757.79108.qmail@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dan, Assume you have a nice big bench, and a hand for working with mechanical assemblies, the transport should not pose a problem at all. However, there are some assemblies I would not completely disassemble. You could use Q-tips and clean away the old lubrication. There are specific lubricants for the various areas. Is the hum common to both channels? Best Regards Bala Ganesh danbarham at aol.com wrote: I would like to disassemble the entire transport, clean each piece and reassemble with the new grease and oil and new belts and idler. I won't touch the head alignment as I don't have the alignment tapes to put it back correctly. That's why I was asking about the grease and oil. Similar to what Luis Peromarta did with his 600II. Would this even be recommended or am I simply opening a can of worms here? As to your second question, the hum is through the headphones or line out, but only when monitoring from tape. When monitoring from source it is beautifully clear. I was thinking power supply or ground issue myself but I didn't know if someone would know right off the bat. Thanks. Dan Barham Chicago, Illinois, USA Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:29:58 -0700 From: "Kimo B. Yap" Subject: [naktalk] 680 help To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Thanks to Tim and Kimo for your replies on the grease and oil. > Seems like sewing machine oil is agreed on so I'll get some of > that. Another thought I had on the grease was clear silicone grease > which is sometimes used for car door weatherstripping and similar > to dielectric "tune-up" grease. Any thoughts or experience with > that?I looked at Tomas' site for a 680 manual but he only has the > 680ZX manual, which I already have. I am looking for a part number > for the record head azimuth adjustment knob, which as you probably > know, is nearly the only difference between the 680 and 680ZX. This > is the only part I need. Finally, does my problem of electrical hum > noise coming through from tape monitoting sound like orange cap > disease? Thanks in advance. Where are you trying to grease? I wouldn't normally think of hum as an orange cap problem--maybe the power supply electrolytics, but not the orange ones. But I'm far from the expert on that. Is in in the headphones with the deck not connected to anything else? If it's only when it's connected to something else, then a grounding issue between the components is where I'd look first.-kby --------------------------------- Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 27 16:58:04 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:58:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680 help In-Reply-To: <8C87F3D3F0EABBD-A8C-3649@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060727095804.0083e6c0@earthlink.net> I would not recommend a complete disassembly for the following reasons: All rotating bearings can be lubricated with a needle oiler. The flywheel thrust bearing can be greased by removing the back layer only. The white nylon injected into the aluminum transport plates is brittle. It is not unusual to have to epoxy 2 of the studs after changing belts. The door damper stud is also brittle, and a real pain to deal with if it breaks inside the tube. Your hum is likely improper assembly of the mechanism by a previous servicer. Each layer of aluminum from the head block through the 3 transport layers is insulated, but is grouned through one slightly longer screw linking the layers. Servicers mix these up, and one or more layers will be ungrounded. With your ohm meter, test for continuity between chassis ground and each plate. The head block is probably not grounded. tom brucker At 10:41 PM 7/26/06 -0400, danbarham at aol.com wrote: >>>> I would like to disassemble the entire transport, clean each piece and reassemble with the new grease and oil and new belts and idler. I won't touch the head alignment as I don't have the alignment tapes to put it back correctly. That's why I was asking about the grease and oil. Similar to what Luis Peromarta did with his 600II. Would this even be recommended or am I simply opening a can of worms here? As to your second question, the hum is through the headphones or line out, but only when monitoring from tape. When monitoring from source it is beautifully clear. I was thinking power supply or ground issue myself but I didn't know if someone would know right off the bat. Thanks. Dan Barham Chicago, Illinois, USA Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:29:58 -0700 From: "Kimo B. Yap" <kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu> Subject: [naktalk] 680 help To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <DB359A93- A4AA-4FE5-AE8B-E84437909946 at alumni.caltech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Thanks to Tim and Kimo for your replies on the grease and oil. > Seems like sewing machine oil is agreed on so I'll get some of > that. Another thought I had on the grease was clear silicone grease > which is sometimes used for car door weatherstripping and similar > to dielectric "tune-up" grease. Any thoughts or experience with > that?I looked at Tomas' site for a 680 manual but he only has the > 680ZX manual, which I already have. I am looking for a part number > for the record head azimuth adjustment knob, which as you probably > know, is nearly the only difference between the 680 and 680ZX. This > is the only part I need. Finally, does my problem of electrical hum > noise coming through from tape monitoting sound like orange cap > disease? Thanks in advance. Where are you trying to grease? I wouldn't normally think of hum as an orange cap problem--maybe the power supply electrolytics, but not the orange ones. But I'm far from the expert on that. Is in in the headphones with the deck not connected to anything else? If it's only when it's connected to something else, then a grounding issue between the components is where I'd look first.-kby ---------- Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 19:42:27 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi 4-track cassette deck? In-Reply-To: <44C7F2F4.4040806@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060727174227.29072.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For tape speed the best deck would be the Dragon. I believe it has crystal controlled capstan drive, but, nothing is absolutely perfect and it will be unacceptable for your purpose. SJ --- Leohilarious wrote: > Thanks for the info - I didn't realize that the Dragon had four > heads, > but it sounds like a major project to modify one to allow 4-track > playback. Another thought struck me though, do any of the Naks > have > absolute constant playback speed? If my MR-1 would play the EXACT > same > speed every time, then this wouldn't be a problem for me to sync up > the > tracks. But even a small variation in playback speed of .3% can > really > screw up the sync. Thanks again, > > Leo > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:12:35 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Scott Johnson > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 4-track cassette deck? > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > <20060725171235.56625.qmail at web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > If you only want to playback 4-tracks then the Dragon (and it's > car > > deck little brother, the TD-1200) have 4-track heads(actually 6 > > tracks, but, the extra two are for NAAC), but, there are only two > > playback head amplifiers. If you could built a 2nd set of > amplifiers > > then it could do what you want, but, it will be a lot of work. > No > > other Nak deck that I'm aware of has 4-track heads. > > > > SJ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jul 27 20:06:04 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:06:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi 4-track cassette deck? Message-ID: > For tape speed the best deck would be the Dragon. I believe it has > crystal controlled capstan drive, but, nothing is absolutely perfect > and it will be unacceptable for your purpose. Agreed. The trouble is you don't need the average speed to be constant, you need the instanteous speed at any physical point in the tape to be the same in both directions. As an exaggerated example you could have the deck be 5% fast for the first half of the tape and 5% slow for the second half for the first 2 tracks, and if it's the same going in the opposite direction, the total tracks would end together and be together throughout although the recording would still not be right. But if for the second recording if the deck were 5% slow for the first half and 5% fast for the second, the tracks would still come out together, but the result would be much worse than the first case. If Kannan is correct about the playback amps being 4-channel but muted, the mod, while not easy, seems relatively straighforward. The end result would be infinitely better, but I agree it isn't a 5 minute project.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Jul 28 04:24:43 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:24:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 help Marantz PMD 360 porfessional 3 head portable cass rcrdr Message-ID: <4c5.1c273e80.31facf6b@aol.com> Hi Dear Friends. I have this off topic cassette deck that I got recently it a Marantz PMD 360 three head professional portable cassette deck . Its works great the sound is something to behold easily the finest! portable cassette deck I have heard, the problem is that it will not rewind, I am at my wit's end as to how the rewind mechanism is supposed to work! as pushing this button does not engage a rubber wheel idler wheel with the motor as it does in case of fast forward and play position.Any HELP! will be much appreciated! Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jul 28 06:29:42 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:29:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success Message-ID: Hi Kimo, The 100-700/2-1000-1000/2, adjust the "Recording Head"...to be 100% exactly adjusted as the "Factory" adjusted playback head.! On each side of any new/used cassette that you load in your machine...so...you MUST adjust 100% exactly each side of the loaded cassette, to obtain the BEST! Of course...ONLY...&...ONLY...when you intend to RECORD something! Best wishes, ALEX! ---------------------------------------- > To: naktalk at naks.com > From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu > Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:51:10 -0700 > > Question on the tilt adjustment: I notice that the 700 II manual > makes no mention of it > (or the fancy tilt check gauge, which I assume the 700 II pre-dates. > How was it done then?-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/getstarted From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jul 28 06:34:47 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:34:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What is this? Message-ID: Hi Tomas, Yes Ferrograph...was during the 60/70 & maybe 80ties an a superlative brand of R to R deck from England, now seems me that do NOT exist anymore...(Maybe Gra' can correct me?). Best wishes, ALEX! ---------------------------------------- > From: tomas at tlec.se > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:11:55 +0200 > Subject: [naktalk] What is this? > > Does anyone know what a "Ferrograph Professional" is? > It seems to be some sort of audio/tape service equipment. > > At the same time is a "Pearl RD-32" from 1958 mic of any interest? > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/getstarted From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Jul 28 12:22:33 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 05:22:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SKC Type IV's @ 7.50 (1) Message-ID: aWAITING TO HEAR YOUR VERDICT ON THESE before I buy a few. I'm not 100% certain about availabilty.It looks as though they are in stock. -- From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jul 28 17:48:57 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:48:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SKC Type IV's @ 7.50 (1) Message-ID: Hi Gerald and all naktalkers, You should find reference in the nak archives on these tapes. However, be assured that they are excellent and the product description at tapes.com is not baseless hyperbole apart from "50% reduction in bias noise". Off what figure this would be is unknown - bias noise would be lowish at about -59dB, bearing mind that type IVs get their leg-up, so to speak, in dynamic range, by virtue of their MOL and SAT numbers and from low noise floors. The SKC Media is a managed division of SKM Manuafacturing in Seoul - but is wholly owned by Sony. SKC not only have their own tapes which are good (two different brands - one for far east and one for occidental) but make pancakes for other firms to snap up for bulk loading. The above tape has a different lineage to the current production (the best of which is the "CD Super-Chrome") - the ZX Metal Tech and the QX Chrome were clones of Sony's 1988 ES line of 5 tapes (HF-S, HF-ES, UCX, UCX-S and Metal-ES). Metal-ES and HF-ES were the first two to sport the large "open" window shell that was standard in the SKC line - including of course this one - the ZX. The measured performance of the Sony UCX-S 1988>) and the SKC QX (1991>) is the same. The introduction of this ZX (wrapper style as depicted indicates 1991 livery) coincided with the concurrent general availability of Sony Metal-ES, but the subsequent ('96 or so) brown wrapper version corresponded with a gradual withrawal of Sony's Metal-ES from shelves. The performance similarity between SKC ZX and Sony Metal-ES is uncanny, as are the spool hubs, tape appearance, and shell design. Note that the SKC ZX is very different from the Sony Metal XR - XR being quieter, more dolby friendly (like a Maxell MX) and with lower 315 hz MOLs acress the band. ZX, like Metal ES (why are we not surprised?) is a terrific metal, amongst the best of the mainstream metals, featuring power mated with supreme bite and clarity. For those of you familiar with the Sony Metal SR, the ES was sharper at the top end, equally powerful in the bass and midrange and had an overall more profound tonal signature due to the overall higher MOLs. Of course, you paid for this. We've had debates about metals in respect of wear etc, a fear that's largely overplayed and particularly so in respect of 3-head Naks (and the LX-3 and 480 series) which have a padlifter. If good type IIs are good enough for you, then $7.50 would be dear; but most assuredly for those who insist on the palpably robust tonal signature of metals, then, for those special recordings, it's worth the money. Remember, type IVs demand the best decks (sporting higher rec head currents) to get the most out of them due to the nature of the particles. Cheers - Marc >>> gjgkerrtx at ktc.com 7/28/2006 12:22:33 PM >>> aWAITING TO HEAR YOUR VERDICT ON THESE before I buy a few. I'm not 100% certain about availabilty.It looks as though they are in stock. -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jul 28 18:59:42 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:59:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success Message-ID: <32431F67-3452-454B-967A-ECF6F4D38A0C@alumni.caltech.edu> > The 100-700/2-1000-1000/2, adjust the "Recording Head"...to be 100% > exactly adjusted as the "Factory" adjusted playback head.! On each > side of any new/used cassette that you load in your > machine...so...you MUST adjust 100% exactly each side of the loaded > cassette, to obtain the BEST! Of course...ONLY...&...ONLY...when > you intend to RECORD something! > Thanks Alex, but you're speaking of the user-adjustible record head azimuth adjustment. I was asking about tilt adjustment which IS done normally by a technictian or at the factory; I was looking at the service manual and noticing that unlike the later decks there is no actual tilt adjust procedure listed.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 29 00:34:45 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:34:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SKC Type IV's @ 7.50 (1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060728173445.0083e270@earthlink.net> Marc, This is very interesting information. Thank you. I have been wondering why metal tapes are generally not available in the US. All 8mm digital tape is metal, so there is plenty of demand. Having had little opportunity to measure the various bias levels and frequency response of metal tapes, other than TDK and Maxell, I had assumed that metal tapes were very similar in formulation. Your post says there are differences. Can you recommend any on line links that rate the major metal tapes? tom brucker At 05:48 PM 7/28/06 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Gerald and all naktalkers, > >You should find reference in the nak archives on these tapes. However, be assured that they are excellent and the product description at tapes.com is not baseless hyperbole apart from "50% reduction in bias noise". Off what figure this would be is unknown - bias noise would be lowish at about -59dB, bearing mind that type IVs get their leg-up, so to speak, in dynamic range, by virtue of their MOL and SAT numbers and from low noise floors. > >The SKC Media is a managed division of SKM Manuafacturing in Seoul - but is wholly owned by Sony. SKC not only have their own tapes which are good (two different brands - one for far east and one for occidental) but make pancakes for other firms to snap up for bulk loading. > >The above tape has a different lineage to the current production (the best of which is the "CD Super-Chrome") - the ZX Metal Tech and the QX Chrome were clones of Sony's 1988 ES line of 5 tapes (HF-S, HF-ES, UCX, UCX-S and Metal-ES). Metal-ES and HF-ES were the first two to sport the large "open" window shell that was standard in the SKC line - including of course this one - the ZX. The measured performance of the Sony UCX-S 1988>) and the SKC QX (1991>) is the same. The introduction of this ZX (wrapper style as depicted indicates 1991 livery) coincided with the concurrent general availability of Sony Metal-ES, but the subsequent ('96 or so) brown wrapper version corresponded with a gradual withrawal of Sony's Metal-ES from shelves. > >The performance similarity between SKC ZX and Sony Metal-ES is uncanny, as are the spool hubs, tape appearance, and shell design. Note that the SKC ZX is very different from the Sony Metal XR - XR being quieter, more dolby friendly (like a Maxell MX) and with lower 315 hz MOLs acress the band. ZX, like Metal ES (why are we not surprised?) is a terrific metal, amongst the best of the mainstream metals, featuring power mated with supreme bite and clarity. For those of you familiar with the Sony Metal SR, the ES was sharper at the top end, equally powerful in the bass and midrange and had an overall more profound tonal signature due to the overall higher MOLs. Of course, you paid for this. > >We've had debates about metals in respect of wear etc, a fear that's largely overplayed and particularly so in respect of 3-head Naks (and the LX-3 and 480 series) which have a padlifter. If good type IIs are good enough for you, then $7.50 would be dear; but most assuredly for those who insist on the palpably robust tonal signature of metals, then, for those special recordings, it's worth the money. Remember, type IVs demand the best decks (sporting higher rec head currents) to get the most out of them due to the nature of the particles. > >Cheers - Marc > > > > >>>> gjgkerrtx at ktc.com 7/28/2006 12:22:33 PM >>> >http://www.tape.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/info_pages/DM05-30-090-01.html?L+c assette+uhad1618+1154134671 >> >aWAITING TO HEAR YOUR VERDICT ON THESE before I buy a few. I'm not 100% >certain about availabilty.It looks as though they are in stock. >-- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jul 29 02:15:29 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:15:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success Message-ID: Hi Kimo, You are 100% right...NO tilt issue...that was adjusted by the factory before the shipment! Who needed to touch the "Tilt" issue???! Best wishes, ALEX! ----------------------------------------------- > To: naktalk at naks.com > From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu > Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR5 - Azimuth Adjustment Success > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:59:42 -0700 > > The 100-700/2-1000-1000/2, adjust the "Recording Head"...to be 100% exactly adjusted as the "Factory" adjusted playback head.! On each side of any new/used cassette that you load in your machine...so...you MUST adjust 100% exactly each side of the loaded cassette, to obtain the BEST! Of course...ONLY...&...ONLY...when you intend to RECORD something! > Thanks Alex, but you're speaking of the user-adjustible record head azimuth adjustment. I was asking about tilt adjustment which > IS done normally by a technictian or at the factory; I was looking at the service manual and noticing that unlike the later > decks there is no actual tilt adjust procedure listed.-kby _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/getstarted From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sat Jul 29 04:13:28 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:13:28 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Deck comparison Message-ID: Today I bought a Denon DR-M22 cassette deck at a garage sale for $20. Any comments on how it compares with Nak decks? It plays OK but the left record level is low so it needs some work. Unfortunately my 3 Naks will not record at all at the moment even though orange caps replaced (581, 582, LX3). Must be a common bug. David From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jul 29 11:11:42 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:11:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SKC Type IV's @ 7.50 (1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44CB264E.7020508@xs4all.nl> The bad thing is tape.com only ship to the US. Wouter jerryjg wrote: > http://www.tape.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/info_pages/DM05-30-090-01.html?L+cassette+uhad1618+1154134671 > >> > aWAITING TO HEAR YOUR VERDICT ON THESE before I buy a few. I'm not > 100% certain about availabilty.It looks as though they are in stock. From andrewspencer at eircom.net Sat Jul 29 12:46:46 2006 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:46:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dead CR7A References: <001301c6af2d$1e92bcc0$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> <44C4E43D.3060506@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001401c6b2fc$4a3c0cf0$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> Excellent news! I received an email yesterday to say that the fault was with the step down transfomer and not the CR7 so all is well! Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead CR7A > > The CR-7A accepts a line voltage of 110VAC. Did the > buyer plug it into 230V? If so, result would be blown > fuses (best case) or damage. > > It's possible fuses worked their way out of fuse > clips on the fuse board due to vibration during > transport. A long shot (but remotely possible) is a > damaged power switch. These shouldn't happen if the > deck was packaged properly. > > Any of these can be easily verified by the service > tech. > > -- Ron > > > > Andy wrote: >> I recently sold a CR7A to a guy in Switzerland which was working >> perfectly when it was packaged up a couple of weeks ago. >> The deck was delivered today but I have been advised that the deck is >> not powering up, which is very dissappointing for the buyer and myself. >> He is going to get an audio engineer to have a look at the unit, can >> anyone suggest the possible cause of this problem so I can advise the >> engineer where to start his diagnosis. >> Has anyone got a copy of the Service Manual in PDF format that I could >> email to him? >> Any help appreciated. >> Regards. >> Andy >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 29 18:58:17 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:58:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Deck comparison In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060729115817.00b404e8@pop.earthlink.net> On the record issue. If the decks do not erase, then the bias oscillator is not working. When the orange caps short, it burns a fuse resistor open. Find and replace his resistor. tom brucker At 12:13 PM 7/29/2006 +1000, you wrote: >Today I bought a Denon DR-M22 cassette deck at a garage sale for $20. Any >comments on how it compares with Nak decks? It plays OK but the left record >level is low so it needs some work. Unfortunately my 3 Naks will not record >at all at the moment even though orange caps replaced (581, 582, LX3). Must >be a common bug. > >David > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jul 29 13:34:52 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:34:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Deck comparison Message-ID: Hi David, Try first to clen & degauss 100% well the heads & around the heads, after that move left/right at least 10 times the knobs. to "Self-Clean"...the contacts...I hope that will work! Inform me if do? Cheers, ALEX! ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:13:28 +1000 > From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Deck comparison > > Today I bought a Denon DR-M22 cassette deck at a garage sale for $20. Any > comments on how it compares with Nak decks? It plays OK but the left record > level is low so it needs some work. Unfortunately my 3 Naks will not record > at all at the moment even though orange caps replaced (581, 582, LX3). Must > be a common bug. > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted From koman56 at otenet.gr Sat Jul 29 16:10:39 2006 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:10:39 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Potential problem with CR-7E Message-ID: <44CB6C5F.7060901@otenet.gr> Having recently purchased from ebay (Germany) a CR7E i took it to my technician for a general check out and the results were good. I only had to change an idler tyre and decided to go on with the update on the auto calibration process since the decks serial was before that. Everything seem to work fine except one small problem that i encounter when i playback a tape on which i have previously performed an auto calibration. I know that this process is not for playback, but only for recording, but i believe that it in any case it should not happen. To be exact, after about 5-7 seconds of playback i hear, from both channels, a test tone noise (beep like electronic sound) which lasts about 3-5 secs repeats itsself twice -even though the second is not as loud as the first- and then the music comes back like nothing happened! This is happening in every kind/type of pre-recorded tape only when i perform an auto calibration before playback...I have no idea whether this shows any kind of damage inside the electronic parts of the deck nor have i any idea if by performing the calibration on a prerecorded tape makes any difference - probably it does not- but i would appreciate any kind of advice from our NAK Gurus out there if this is something neglectable or should i take back to the "doctor". Any thought is welcomed Manos From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 23:34:39 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Potential problem with CR-7E In-Reply-To: <44CB6C5F.7060901@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <20060729213439.17712.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi CR 7 auto calibration records tone with particular frequency and record level for getting correct bias and level using auto calibration process. If you do it correctly ( as in the user manual) it will return to start of Auto calibration process for you start recording process. If you miss to record over these test tone recording , you will surely hear these test tones as it does not automaticallly erase these. That is why you hear these tones when you play back. So make sure you start recording from the point you started auto calibration kannan Emmanuel Komninos wrote: Having recently purchased from ebay (Germany) a CR7E i took it to my technician for a general check out and the results were good. I only had to change an idler tyre and decided to go on with the update on the auto calibration process since the decks serial was before that. Everything seem to work fine except one small problem that i encounter when i playback a tape on which i have previously performed an auto calibration. I know that this process is not for playback, but only for recording, but i believe that it in any case it should not happen. To be exact, after about 5-7 seconds of playback i hear, from both channels, a test tone noise (beep like electronic sound) which lasts about 3-5 secs repeats itsself twice -even though the second is not as loud as the first- and then the music comes back like nothing happened! This is happening in every kind/type of pre-recorded tape only when i perform an auto calibration before playback...I have no idea whether this shows any kind of damage inside the electronic parts of the deck nor have i any idea if by performing the calibration on a prerecorded tape makes any difference - probably it does not- but i would appreciate any kind of advice from our NAK Gurus out there if this is something neglectable or should i take back to the "doctor". Any thought is welcomed Manos ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cpsalvestrini at cantv.net Sat Jul 29 23:12:09 2006 From: cpsalvestrini at cantv.net (Carlos Manuel Pires) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:12:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Reconstruction project Message-ID: <44CBCF29.3010505@cantv.net> Hello all, I have come upon a Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited edition in an adio repair shop owned by a friend of mine. The unit, regrettably, is in very bad condition; however, I'd like to try and rebuild it as far as it is possible to do so. The electronics components are not that much of a problem; the faceplate, however, is a problem, as well as controls and knobs, all of which are missing. The object of this message is to see what is the possibility of carrying on the rebuilding project. Thanks in advance. From jamiep8 at msn.com Sat Jul 29 23:15:11 2006 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:15:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Potential problem with CR-7E References: <44CB6C5F.7060901@otenet.gr> Message-ID: Try this: After auto calibration is complete, rewind the tape completely, then start recording. ----- Original Message ----- From: Emmanuel Komninos To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] Potential problem with CR-7E Having recently purchased from ebay (Germany) a CR7E i took it to my technician for a general check out and the results were good. I only had to change an idler tyre and decided to go on with the update on the auto calibration process since the decks serial was before that. Everything seem to work fine except one small problem that i encounter when i playback a tape on which i have previously performed an auto calibration. I know that this process is not for playback, but only for recording, but i believe that it in any case it should not happen. To be exact, after about 5-7 seconds of playback i hear, from both channels, a test tone noise (beep like electronic sound) which lasts about 3-5 secs repeats itsself twice -even though the second is not as loud as the first- and then the music comes back like nothing happened! This is happening in every kind/type of pre-recorded tape only when i perform an auto calibration before playback...I have no idea whether this shows any kind of damage inside the electronic parts of the deck nor have i any idea if by performing the calibration on a prerecorded tape makes any difference - probably it does not- but i would appreciate any kind of advice from our NAK Gurus out there if this is something neglectable or should i take back to the "doctor". Any thought is welcomed Manos ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjbleus at charter.net Sun Jul 30 03:43:49 2006 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:43:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SKC ZX Type IV's References: <200607291001.k6TA12M0023902@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002201c6b379$9ccd41f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Marc, Your analysis of SKM's ZX metal cassette is quite interesting. I'm a big fan of using the classic Sony Metal ES cassette, which I believe is equal to any of the "super metal" cassettes from the mid 1990's (eg: Vertex, MA-XG, SSMM, MG-X). Back in the early 1990's Sony's Metal ES was ranked very high in specs, exceeding the competitors of its era (re: Audio Magazine's cassette comparison articles). Although not available widely any longer, I've accumulated a few of the Metal ES cassettes during the last few years. I adore the range of performance from these treasures. So, perhaps getting some of the SKC ZX cassettes will be my next move. Thanks for the info, and thanks again for the music! Regards, Bleus ----- Original Message ----- > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:48:57 +0200 > From: "Marc Hugo" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SKC Type IV's @ 7.50 (1) > To: , > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Hi Gerald and all naktalkers, > > You should find reference in the nak archives on these tapes. However, be assured that they are excellent and the product description at tapes.com is not baseless hyperbole apart from "50% reduction in bias noise". Off what figure this would be is unknown - bias noise would be lowish at about -59dB, bearing mind that type IVs get their leg-up, so to speak, in dynamic range, by virtue of their MOL and SAT numbers and from low noise floors. > > The SKC Media is a managed division of SKM Manuafacturing in Seoul - but is wholly owned by Sony. SKC not only have their own tapes which are good (two different brands - one for far east and one for occidental) but make pancakes for other firms to snap up for bulk loading. > > The above tape has a different lineage to the current production (the best of which is the "CD Super-Chrome") - the ZX Metal Tech and the QX Chrome were clones of Sony's 1988 ES line of 5 tapes (HF-S, HF-ES, UCX, UCX-S and Metal-ES). Metal-ES and HF-ES were the first two to sport the large "open" window shell that was standard in the SKC line - including of course this one - the ZX. The measured performance of the Sony UCX-S 1988>) and the SKC QX (1991>) is the same. The introduction of this ZX (wrapper style as depicted indicates 1991 livery) coincided with the concurrent general availability of Sony Metal-ES, but the subsequent ('96 or so) brown wrapper version corresponded with a gradual withrawal of Sony's Metal-ES from shelves. > > The performance similarity between SKC ZX and Sony Metal-ES is uncanny, as are the spool hubs, tape appearance, and shell design. Note that the SKC ZX is very different from the Sony Metal XR - XR being quieter, more dolby friendly (like a Maxell MX) and with lower 315 hz MOLs acress the band. ZX, like Metal ES (why are we not surprised?) is a terrific metal, amongst the best of the mainstream metals, featuring power mated with supreme bite and clarity. For those of you familiar with the Sony Metal SR, the ES was sharper at the top end, equally powerful in the bass and midrange and had an overall more profound tonal signature due to the overall higher MOLs. Of course, you paid for this. > > We've had debates about metals in respect of wear etc, a fear that's largely overplayed and particularly so in respect of 3-head Naks (and the LX-3 and 480 series) which have a padlifter. If good type IIs are good enough for you, then $7.50 would be dear; but most assuredly for those who insist on the palpably robust tonal signature of metals, then, for those special recordings, it's worth the money. Remember, type IVs demand the best decks (sporting higher rec head currents) to get the most out of them due to the nature of the particles. > > Cheers - Marc > > > > > >>> gjgkerrtx at ktc.com 7/28/2006 12:22:33 PM >>> > > http://www.tape.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/info_pages/DM05-30-090-01.html?L+cassette+uhad1618+1154134671 > > > Waiting to hear your verdict on these before I buy a few. I'm not 100% > certain about availabilty. It looks as though they are in stock. > -- > > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 41, Issue 41 > *************************************** > From koman56 at otenet.gr Sun Jul 30 09:17:17 2006 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:17:17 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Potential problem with CR-7E In-Reply-To: <20060729213439.17712.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060729213439.17712.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44CC5CFD.4060108@otenet.gr> Hi Kannan and thanks for the advice I think i have spoiled some of my prerecorded material since i tried the process to already prerecorded cassetes and just after the auto calibration, pushed the stop button and tried playback!!!! (my intend was not to record on top of the prerecorded by to listen to the tape!!!) That was absolutely silly of me....The test tones are heard because they are recorded on top of the music!!! At least after some recordings last night the upgrade went quite well and i hear the difference while recording and during playback, the deck sounds much better than my DR-1 deck, which is at least 5 -7 years younger and purchased brand new.... Many thanks to you too Michael your advice is similar to Kannan but in fewer words! Do you guys think that the gear upgrade shoud be performed? Having contacted with Jeff at ESLabs in Connecticut it will cost me aroud 150 USD just to get it (insured mail) and then i expect about another 100 for the fitting.....For the time-being it works just fine with the changed tire......... Manos kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi > CR 7 auto calibration records tone with particular frequency and > record level for getting correct bias and level using auto calibration > process. If you do it correctly ( as in the user manual) it will > return to start of Auto calibration process for you start recording > process. If you miss to record over these test tone recording , you > will surely hear these test tones as it does not automaticallly erase > these. That is why you hear these tones when you play back. So make > sure you start recording from the point you started auto calibration > kannan > > */Emmanuel Komninos /* wrote: > > Having recently purchased from ebay (Germany) a CR7E i took it to my > technician for a general check out and the results were good. I > only had > to change an idler tyre and decided to go on with the update on > the auto > calibration process since the decks serial was before that. > Everything > seem to work fine except one small problem that i encounter when i > playback a tape on which i have previously performed an auto > calibration. I know that this process is not for playback, but > only for > recording, but i believe that it in any case it should not happen. > To be exact, after about 5-7 seconds of playback i hear, from both > channels, a test tone noise (beep like electronic sound) which lasts > about 3-5 secs repeats itsself twice -even though the second is > not as > loud as the first- and then the music comes back like nothing > happened! > This is happening in every kind/type of pre-recorded tape only when i > perform an auto calibration before playback...I have no idea whether > this shows any kind of damage inside the electronic parts of the deck > nor have i any idea if by performing the calibration on a prerecorded > tape makes any difference - probably it does not- but i would > appreciate > any kind of advice from our NAK Gurus out there if this is something > neglectable or should i take back to the "doctor". Any thought is > welcomed > Manos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to > Yahoo! Groups. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 20:04:02 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Potential problem with CR-7E In-Reply-To: <44CC5CFD.4060108@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <20060730180402.29066.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Manos If you learn to change the tires carefully ( as the tire base is hanging on some plastic parts hinged to the shaft of the reel motor) , no need to worry about the Gear Drive mod. However make sure that the record equalization correction is done allready. kannan Emmanuel Komninos wrote: Hi Kannan and thanks for the advice I think i have spoiled some of my prerecorded material since i tried the process to already prerecorded cassetes and just after the auto calibration, pushed the stop button and tried playback!!!! (my intend was not to record on top of the prerecorded by to listen to the tape!!!) That was absolutely silly of me....The test tones are heard because they are recorded on top of the music!!! At least after some recordings last night the upgrade went quite well and i hear the difference while recording and during playback, the deck sounds much better than my DR-1 deck, which is at least 5 -7 years younger and purchased brand new.... Many thanks to you too Michael your advice is similar to Kannan but in fewer words! Do you guys think that the gear upgrade shoud be performed? Having contacted with Jeff at ESLabs in Connecticut it will cost me aroud 150 USD just to get it (insured mail) and then i expect about another 100 for the fitting.....For the time-being it works just fine with the changed tire......... Manos kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi > CR 7 auto calibration records tone with particular frequency and > record level for getting correct bias and level using auto calibration > process. If you do it correctly ( as in the user manual) it will > return to start of Auto calibration process for you start recording > process. If you miss to record over these test tone recording , you > will surely hear these test tones as it does not automaticallly erase > these. That is why you hear these tones when you play back. So make > sure you start recording from the point you started auto calibration > kannan > > */Emmanuel Komninos /* wrote: > > Having recently purchased from ebay (Germany) a CR7E i took it to my > technician for a general check out and the results were good. I > only had > to change an idler tyre and decided to go on with the update on > the auto > calibration process since the decks serial was before that. > Everything > seem to work fine except one small problem that i encounter when i > playback a tape on which i have previously performed an auto > calibration. I know that this process is not for playback, but > only for > recording, but i believe that it in any case it should not happen. > To be exact, after about 5-7 seconds of playback i hear, from both > channels, a test tone noise (beep like electronic sound) which lasts > about 3-5 secs repeats itsself twice -even though the second is > not as > loud as the first- and then the music comes back like nothing > happened! > This is happening in every kind/type of pre-recorded tape only when i > perform an auto calibration before playback...I have no idea whether > this shows any kind of damage inside the electronic parts of the deck > nor have i any idea if by performing the calibration on a prerecorded > tape makes any difference - probably it does not- but i would > appreciate > any kind of advice from our NAK Gurus out there if this is something > neglectable or should i take back to the "doctor". Any thought is > welcomed > Manos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to > Yahoo! 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Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jul 31 02:22:52 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:22:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reconstruction project Message-ID: I'd like to think that any 1000zxl, even the not-liimited versions, that is reasonably repairable to something closely approximating functional state is worth doing as long as there's someone with the inclination and tools access to do it. That person may or may not, of course, be you, personally. That said, of course a lot of what makes the limited version in particular interesting is the cosmetics. I would first make sure it can with "reasonable" effort be made to function reasonably well--like no major broken boards (some of the smaller ones are shared with the700zx series, both the zxl and zxe), and the mechanism chassis (not sure how much of that is shared with the 700zx machines; the flywheels are different material but otherwise the same so I will put that more in the class of cosmetics). If that can be done, then a lot depends on how bad the consmetics actually are. How bad is the faceplate--what kind of damage is done to it? As far as the knobs, the good news is the knobs are all plastic. The bad news is some are easier to deal with than others, and the 1000zxl doesn't, as far as I know, share knobs with anything else (the limitited and non-limited versions only differ by color, however). My 1000zxl ltd is/was missing a level knob (allegedly stolen at a party; the previous owner said he used it more as a parlor decoration). I was fortunate in that those are probably the easiest to make a reasonable facsimile of from one of the ones from a non-limited unit; it is either painted or the plastic is molded in the correct color and there is a black painted line on it; in my case I found a shade of gold spray paint (brass, actually) that is a decent match. It's not perfect (and I have 3 or four other "gold" ones to show that it's taken some effort returned to the black unit-- figure I can always make them black again if I want to). If you were doing a complete set, of course, the matching would be less critical. More difficult would be any of the bottom row of switch knobs or the pitch control knob, power switch, or eject button, as these are a much more metallic look--they are more like "chromed" plastic (except gold rather than silver). I have searched in the past for a way to do this (like a shop that could do it), although certainly not exhaustively, and have never found anything. It was more in the realm of car parts that I was trying to get some chromed silver trim, but I never found anything that was a good substitute nor a good description of exactly what the technique was; It might be some type of conductive coating put on the plastic and then electroplated, but I am not sure. The lettering on the faceplate is painted; I have one level line and one word "off" which is missing. I was hoping to look into press-on lettering or seeing if I could find some kind of stencil to match the font on the lettering, but haven't bothered yet, as neither is glaringly obvious. In short, you'll have to determine how much of this you want to do as it will be difficult to do perfectly; certainly it isn't necessary to experience the sound of the deck.-kby From modernizy at netscape.net Mon Jul 31 07:09:29 2006 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:09:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Potential problem with CR-7E In-Reply-To: <44CB6C5F.7060901@otenet.gr> References: <44CB6C5F.7060901@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <8C88276A28DD0F7-AE0-EA5D@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Emmanuel, It could be too far-fetched but anyway: You should do the auto calibration process only ONCE, just before you record at the particular cassette. If you start auto calibration on the RECORDED cassette, the deck will ERASE the recorded signal (i.e. music) and you'll have this kind of interruption you are talking about. NEVER try auto calibration on the cassette at which you have some valuable recordings - you'll damage the recording irrevocably. Auto calibration only fine-tunes the deck for recording, not playback. With the very best wishes, Nick. -----Original Message----- From: Emmanuel Komninos To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:10:39 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Potential problem with CR-7E Having recently purchased from ebay (Germany) a CR7E i took it to my technician for a general check out and the results were good. I only had to change an idler tyre and decided to go on with the update on the auto calibration process since the decks serial was before that. Everything seem to work fine except one small problem that i encounter when i playback a tape on which i have previously performed an auto calibration. I know that this process is not for playback, but only for recording, but i believe that it in any case it should not happen. To be exact, after about 5-7 seconds of playback i hear, from both channels, a test tone noise (beep like electronic sound) which lasts about 3-5 secs repeats itsself twice -even though the second is not as loud as the first- and then the music comes back like nothing happened! This is happening in every kind/type of pre-recorded tape only when i perform an auto calibration before playback...I have no idea whether this shows any kind of damage inside the electronic parts of the deck nor have i any idea if by performing the calibration on a prerecorded tape makes any difference - probably it does not- but i would appreciate any kind of advice from our NAK Gurus out there if this is something neglectable or should i take back to the "doctor". Any thought is welcomed Manos ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Jul 31 13:37:51 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:37:51 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Record problems Message-ID: Alex and Tom Many thanks for your suggestions. I demagged the Denon and turned the record knobs around many times and the recording is now much better, nearly balanced left and right. With the LX3 I have discovered that it needs a new belt. It stopped playing also. That may fix everything. I'll get to the others later on. They may have the resistor problem that Tom described. Thanks and cheers David Previous: Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:58:17 -0500 From: Tom Brucker Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck comparison To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060729115817.00b404e8 at pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On the record issue. If the decks do not erase, then the bias oscillator is not working. When the orange caps short, it burns a fuse resistor open. Find and replace his resistor. tom brucker At 12:13 PM 7/29/2006 +1000, you wrote: >Today I bought a Denon DR-M22 cassette deck at a garage sale for $20. Any >comments on how it compares with Nak decks? It plays OK but the left record >level is low so it needs some work. Unfortunately my 3 Naks will not record >at all at the moment even though orange caps replaced (581, 582, LX3). Must >be a common bug. > >David > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ------------------------------ Previous: Message: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:34:52 +0000 From: "Alex Cozac" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Deck comparison To: "David Thompson" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi David, Try first to clen & degauss 100% well the heads & around the heads, after that move left/right at least 10 times the knobs. to "Self-Clean"...the contacts...I hope that will work! Inform me if do? Cheers, ALEX! From david.hardgrove at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 14:28:16 2006 From: david.hardgrove at gmail.com (David Hardgrove) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:28:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DR-2 Message-ID: <454c85ff0607310528j4c61b8c2l201c3e16d5e7a63b@mail.gmail.com> I recently purchased a DR-2 and could use a manual or a photocopy of one. Any help would be appreciated. David From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 31 16:33:02 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:33:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reconstruction project In-Reply-To: <44CBCF29.3010505@cantv.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060731093302.00839c00@earthlink.net> Carlos, ESL labs is the only source for cosmetic parts. Since I am somewhat disorganized at times in my shop, I would recommend you offer to look in all the obscure corners of your friend's shop. Faceplates and knobs don't vanish. They typically get put on top of or inside another taken apart unit by mistake. tom brucker At 05:12 PM 7/29/06 -0400, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I have come upon a Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited edition in an adio repair >shop owned by a friend of mine. The unit, regrettably, is in very bad >condition; however, I'd like to try and rebuild it as far as it is >possible to do so. The electronics components are not that much of a >problem; the faceplate, however, is a problem, as well as controls and >knobs, all of which are missing. The object of this message is to see >what is the possibility of carrying on the rebuilding project. Thanks in >advance. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jul 31 18:11:49 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:11:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reconstruction project Message-ID: I'm sorry, I misunderstood earlier about the faceplace—that it's actually missing as well (took reading Tom's post to help me re-parse the statement). That actually might have some value. Does this mean there are no transport controls as well? ESL didn't have the level knob when I asked about a year ago (Jeff can obviously correct me if that's incorrect or changed). -kby From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Jul 31 18:58:35 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:58:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX3 - my first attempt to repair Message-ID: <000901c6b4c2$92d4ea00$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, Finally I had an ok day with my muscle disease :-) so I decided to have a look at my LX3. I bought it some months ago for only 8 dollars, knowing it had a problem. I have done some small mechanical repairs and soldering on other gear, but it is my first attempt ever to repair a Nakamichi tapedeck. I nervously placed it on our kitchen table while my 4-year old daughter watched me with great interest asking a lot of questions what this and that was. After some careful fiddling around I found out that 1) the deck has suffered a blow of some kind, as I could see a crack on the upper right corner on the faceplate and some of screws holding the faceplate had loosened. The knobs under the door also turn with some resistance showing that the plate has dislocated a bit from the chassis. 2) The lightbulb in the cassettedoor is blown. 3) When I press play I can hear the cam motor is whirring and can see that the camwheel only turns a little and the bridge with the toneheads only lifts a couple of milimeters (the stops with the camwheel). If I help turn the camwheel I can make the bridge lift into place and can hear that the cam motor stops turning. 4) When I do a fast forward I can see the tape it goes moving very slowly at the end of the tape. Otherwise winding seems ok but I can some rubber on the hub that drives the rubberwheel (the idler?) that turns the two spindles. Do I need a full set of belts and idlers to get my LX3 running again - and do I need a servicemanual to help replace them (I have an electronic copy of the servicemanual for the LX5. Or perhaps - should I stay away and only enjoy the look of my LX3? Thanks a lot for your help Best Regards Per Borgen Denmark From sinuhe at r-grieco.net Sat Jul 29 22:51:42 2006 From: sinuhe at r-grieco.net (Raffaele Grieco) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:51:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi and ADS References: <20060415002736.82434.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c6b4c7$01e34140$348afd54@mc4412> Hi, I proudly own ;) a heavy 550 and a nice 250. I got a pair of ADS 2002; I'd like to put them to work, but I didn't get the cables; can someone please tell me how can I rebuild them (connections) and maybe find the connectors? thank you, Raffaele g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2006\2006-June.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 1 00:02:16 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: <7C893AD3-6ABB-4B7A-B05F-5631F4F26FD6@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060531220216.97816.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The speed increase has been reported by a few others over the years. It is not a result of the old belt slipping too much. The belt was designed to allow some slipage. This is to allow the different linear rates of the two capstans to not stretch and cause damage to the tape. I tested the w&f with the FRM9.2 belt this morning and it is still high. It varied between about 0.08% and 0.12% with peaks to about 0.14%. I don't think I will continue the test with this belt much longer. I'm afraid of prematurely wearing out the bearing as the FRM9.2 is a lot tightier than the original (OC08096C). Dean wrote me to say that he has a slightly larger belt that might work better. I will be testing that belt when I get it. SJ --- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > With the PRB FRM9.2 belt wow and flutter increased to between > 0.11 > > and 0.16% with occasional peaks of up to 0.18%. Speed jumped > from > > 0.5% fast to 3.0% fast. > > > > Seems odd to me that the speed would be affected that much unless > the > deck had previously > had its speed adjusted with the old belt slipping a lot, no? The > W/F > I can see being easily affected > by a belt, but shouldn't the predominant factor for the speed be > the > sizes of the pulleys (fixed)?-kby> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 1 01:04:26 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 01:04:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: <20060531220216.97816.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7C893AD3-6ABB-4B7A-B05F-5631F4F26FD6@alumni.caltech.edu> <20060531220216.97816.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6428.80.57.218.150.1149116666.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Thanks Scott! Great to read your findings, hope we'll find a good replacement one day. Wouter > The speed increase has been reported by a few others over the years. > It is not a result of the old belt slipping too much. The belt was > designed to allow some slipage. This is to allow the different > linear rates of the two capstans to not stretch and cause damage to > the tape. > > I tested the w&f with the FRM9.2 belt this morning and it is still > high. It varied between about 0.08% and 0.12% with peaks to about > 0.14%. > > I don't think I will continue the test with this belt much longer. > I'm afraid of prematurely wearing out the bearing as the FRM9.2 is a > lot tightier than the original (OC08096C). > > Dean wrote me to say that he has a slightly larger belt that might > work better. I will be testing that belt when I get it. > > SJ > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jun 1 01:59:57 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:59:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Rectifiers In-Reply-To: <447D7AEA.9050507@caribsurf.com> References: <447C88DA.8070703@caribsurf.com> <447D06B8.3090800@woods-and-waters.com> <447D7AEA.9050507@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <447E2DFD.5070707@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Paul, Paul Carrington wrote: > Kermit, > When I said no caps across the fast recovery diodes, I was not referring > to the smooth > caps but the 0.01u or similar capacitors that some builders use to > bridge the diodes > in other words, the cap is placed in parallel with each of the diodes. Ah! Okay, I had my Stupid Mode Button engaged. Yes, I'd agree with that! Hadn't thought of it, but I can see that Thorsten is correct on that. Groovy! I learned something new! I'm going to try this. > Regards > Paul > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> Paul Carrington wrote: >> >>> In other fora, Thorsten Loesch (well known audio designer and critic) >>> suggested Schotsky >>> diodes for rectification particularly in relation to the "gainclone" >>> amplifiers. However, a number of builders of these very popular and >>> good sounding designs preferred MUR860s. I have used the Schotsky >>> which can be obtained 100V 10A or higher. I cannot claim "golden >>> ears" so it takes a while before I can decide whether something is >>> worthwhile or not. I have not made up my mind about these rectifiers >>> but I have a high opinion of Thorsten's recommendations. >> >> >> >> Thorsten Loesch has my respect too. Schottkys or HEXFREDs both will >> create less ripple to filter out than will silicon rectifier diodes, >> so I rather think it matters little whether Schottkys or HEXFREDs are >> used. >> >>> There is also a view that with the fast recovery and Schotsky >>> diodes, you should not use >>> capacitors across them.... >> >> >> >> Uh, well, how does the ripple get filtered out? Rectifiers alone, >> regardless of recovery time, cannot filter ripple out. Rectification >> of alternating current creates ripple, even if only in small >> magnitudes, that must be subsequently filtered. Perhaps Loesch's amps >> have a high immunity to ripple, reducing the need for filtering? >> >>> So there it is for what it is worth! you decide what you want to use >>> with Naks! >> >> >> >> Today I removed the HEXFRED rectifier diodes and put my 600 rectifier >> back to stock. I just like the stock sound better than the modified sound. >> > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jun 1 02:54:37 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:54:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20060531115831.0082d100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060531204926.017fb008@pop.east.cox.net> I would have to agree 100% with this statement. Last year I sold my CR7A because it developed problems just because the tape wrapped around the pinch roller. What a miserable job it was getting the tape out of the mechanism! It never did function correctly after this very small snafu. I can tell you that before this incident, the CR7A recorded very, very well and I was quite pleased. I just didn't like the daintiness of the cassette mechanism. I owned a BX300 back in 1986 or somewhere around there. It last only 2 years before it developed problems in the transport. Sold it also. I went back to an AIWA AD6550 and loved it although it did not record as well as the BX300. I currently own a Dragon for the last 2 months or a little longer. It would take a team of wild horses to remove my LOVELY Dragon from my hands...and this is coming from a guy who hasn't learned how to properly calibrate the Dragon! I just love the recordings and playback. It easily equals the record/playback of the CR7A with the daintiness of a poorly engineered transport. >With both decks at my disposal, my favourite was Dragon. When functioning >properly, it was superior both in record and playback and used Nak's >classic transport which was their best ever. >I do agree there is probably more that can go wrong with one than a CR7 >but it had a warmth that was captivating not to mention the extended bass >response and fullness in its presentation. >Feature wise the CR7 is loaded and is extremely easy to use but you dont >have control of the recording parameters since the computer does >everything for you. It also lacks punch-in recording which I find >necessary for my purposes. > >Do you like driving a manual tranny or an automatic? From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jun 1 03:00:18 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:00:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060531205633.0174e478@pop.east.cox.net> I am having a ball playing with my Dragon that I purchased about 2-3 months ago. It has the stop squeak problem but Kannan pointed me in the right direction with a Nak Service bulletin. Here's my question. When I run a ZX tape through calibration, I am able to get the LEDs steady at 0dB for the Level 400hz. However, I am not able to get the LEDs as steady for the Bias 15khz. I have not cleaned nor demagnetize the Dragon since I received the unit. It records just fine but I want to be able to squeeze every once of the Dragon's abilities when I record. Other Dragon owners, is this the norm for calibration? I was using a Sony ES metal tape. From ti at amb.org Thu Jun 1 09:28:28 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060531205633.0174e478@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <20060601072828.D0E652719B@smtp.amb.org> roland writes: > Here's my question. When I run a ZX tape through calibration, I am able to > get the LEDs steady at 0dB for the Level 400hz. However, I am not able to > get the LEDs as steady for the Bias 15khz. > the Dragon's abilities when I record. > ... > Other Dragon owners, is this the norm for calibration? I can obtain a 0dB reading on the LED meter when doing the 15KHz bias calibration on my Dragon (it's actually recording at -20dB, but the meter is shows 20dB higher during this step for better display resolution). Something is perhaps a bit "off" in your Dragon. -Ti From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jun 1 09:41:43 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:41:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration In-Reply-To: <20060601072828.D0E652719B@smtp.amb.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060531205633.0174e478@pop.east.cox.net> <20060601072828.D0E652719B@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <20060601074143.GA3799@peromarta.org> Resolution calibrating bias for 15KHz is quite high. One led blinking up or down is no big deal, I doubt is more than 0.5dB. Best rgds, LP. El 01/06/06 a las 0:28, ti at amb.org dijo : > roland writes: > > Here's my question. When I run a ZX tape through calibration, I am able to > > get the LEDs steady at 0dB for the Level 400hz. However, I am not able to > > get the LEDs as steady for the Bias 15khz. > > the Dragon's abilities when I record. > > ... > > Other Dragon owners, is this the norm for calibration? > > I can obtain a 0dB reading on the LED meter when doing the 15KHz bias > calibration on my Dragon (it's actually recording at -20dB, but the > meter is shows 20dB higher during this step for better display resolution). > > Something is perhaps a bit "off" in your Dragon. > > -Ti > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com Los errores indetectables son infinitos en su variedad, en cambio los detectables por definición son limitados. Tercera Ley de fiabilidad de Gilb From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 1 09:39:01 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 08:39:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX300 Message-ID: <20060601073901.12780.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Paul Carrington said "I have installed the tyre but with the larger diameter hole, there is an eccentricity in the movement due to a small difference in the amount of tyre above the rim in one part of the whell and the other. I thought I had pushed it about the equalise it but you can see a slight eccentricity in the movement when on play." Paul, I'm assuming that you used a tyre supplied by Dean. I did the same and got a great result. It's not that easy to make the tyre seat perfectly on the hub but it's worth taking the time to do it. Using a toothpick to support the idler arm (and thanks to Dean for that tip) I kept pressing the tyre against the left-hand hub table to squeeze it nicely onto the hub. Like you, I cleaned up the hub tables and the brass motor pulley. Dean also advised me to clean any remnants of tyre off the hub before fitting the new one - mine was clean so I got off lightly. Fingers crossed - you're in for some good listening once this is sorted. Chris From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 1 10:12:02 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:12:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX300 In-Reply-To: <20060601073901.12780.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060601073901.12780.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <24160.212.78.164.66.1149149522.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I've installed one of Deans tyres on a BX-2 recently and it also needed to be pressed good into the idler to fit correctly. Initially it also had a slight eccentricity in the movement but after pressing it some more this was gone. Wouter > Paul Carrington said "I have installed the tyre but > with the larger diameter hole, there is an > eccentricity in the movement due to a small difference > in the amount of tyre above the rim in one part of > the whell and the other. I thought I had pushed it > about the equalise it but you can see a slight > eccentricity in the movement when on play." > > Paul, I'm assuming that you used a tyre supplied by > Dean. I did the same and got a great result. It's not > that easy to make the tyre seat perfectly on the hub > but it's worth taking the time to do it. Using a > toothpick to support the idler arm (and thanks to Dean > for that tip) I kept pressing the tyre against the > left-hand hub table to squeeze it nicely onto the hub. > > Like you, I cleaned up the hub tables and the brass > motor pulley. Dean also advised me to clean any > remnants of tyre off the hub before fitting the new > one - mine was clean so I got off lightly. > > Fingers crossed - you're in for some good listening > once this is sorted. > > Chris > From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jun 1 12:32:23 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Rol) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 6:32:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration Message-ID: <7155329.1149157943934.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml02.mgt.cox.net> Ti Kan, perhaps I was a bit 'off' when I explained the problem. I can adjust the 15khz to the 'Cal' level without much fuss. However, the LED above the 'Cal' setting wants to blink a bit. It almost seems like their is excessive gain on the 15khz pot adjustment. The Dragon does record wonderfully but I think I'll send it out for some routine calibration and mechanical adjustment at either ESL or Liberman Sound. I just love this Dragon! ---- Ti Kan wrote: > roland writes: > > Here's my question. When I run a ZX tape through calibration, I am able to > > get the LEDs steady at 0dB for the Level 400hz. However, I am not able to > > get the LEDs as steady for the Bias 15khz. > > the Dragon's abilities when I record. > > ... > > Other Dragon owners, is this the norm for calibration? > > I can obtain a 0dB reading on the LED meter when doing the 15KHz bias > calibration on my Dragon (it's actually recording at -20dB, but the > meter is shows 20dB higher during this step for better display resolution). > > Something is perhaps a bit "off" in your Dragon. > > -Ti > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jun 1 12:34:16 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Rol) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 6:34:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration Message-ID: <9871097.1149158056433.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml02.mgt.cox.net> Ah Luis, right on! This is what I had thought to myself but I do not have experience with a Dragon until 2-3 months ago! Thanks for the piece of mind. ---- Luis Peromarta wrote: > Resolution calibrating bias for 15KHz is quite high. One led blinking up > or down is no big deal, I doubt is more than 0.5dB. > > Best rgds, LP. > > El 01/06/06 a las 0:28, ti at amb.org dijo : > > > roland writes: > > > Here's my question. When I run a ZX tape through calibration, I am able to > > > get the LEDs steady at 0dB for the Level 400hz. However, I am not able to > > > get the LEDs as steady for the Bias 15khz. > > > the Dragon's abilities when I record. > > > ... > > > Other Dragon owners, is this the norm for calibration? > > > > I can obtain a 0dB reading on the LED meter when doing the 15KHz bias > > calibration on my Dragon (it's actually recording at -20dB, but the > > meter is shows 20dB higher during this step for better display resolution). > > > > Something is perhaps a bit "off" in your Dragon. > > > > -Ti > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- > Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day > powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) > http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com > > > Los errores indetectables son infinitos en su variedad, > en cambio los detectables por definición son limitados. > > Tercera Ley de fiabilidad de Gilb > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jun 1 13:30:42 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:30:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration Message-ID: Hi Rol! As Luis already wrote you; he is right on spot! I also own a Dragon & the same "Bias" calibraton flutter one led up or down..., also depends WHICH brand of cassette, do you load in the deck...that is really very umportant...if you want to check IF your deck oscilator work well...when you calibrate any cassette push instead "TAPE"...SOURCE...so the leds will sheo you first at LEVEL...witn NO movement of the bars...how the oscilator for lever is working & how is calibrated from the "FACTORY"...push "Bias"..& you can see the same! Did you comprehend my meaning? Per example...on my "Untouched"...since 1984 when leave the factory Dragon unit the "Level" on "Source" position a bar LOW that "0" calibration bar...but on "bias"...just "0" calibration bar...SO WHAT????...I calibrate ALL my "SX" type cassettes 100% exactly at that point, after been waiting at least 15 minutes to allow the deck to be warm a little bit...+ take me at least more 10 minutes to finish the calibration...as at the beginning of any cassette the tape can be streched or something like that...so I wait 2 minutes calibrate "leverl" first...> "Bias"...return to "Level...> "Bias"...till I'm sastified or the leds show me minimum movement up or down. OK...I agree, that maybe I'm very extremely "Perfectionist"...but really I'm NOT in hurry!!! BTW...I use ONLY "SX" type; cassettes...Till today NO Metal was loaded in my lovely gifted Dragon unit!...As for me Metal blend tape worn more quickly the heads...some other members do not agree with me...Also...for my car affordable radio-tape unit...Chrome type...suffice my needs! Go forward & enjoy your Dragon unit! Be well also, ALEX! >From: Rol >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Luis Peromarta , Talk about Nakamichi >Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon calibration >Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 6:34:16 -0400 > >Ah Luis, right on! This is what I had thought to myself but I do not have >experience with a Dragon until 2-3 months ago! > >Thanks for the piece of mind. > > >---- Luis Peromarta wrote: > > Resolution calibrating bias for 15KHz is quite high. One led blinking up > > or down is no big deal, I doubt is more than 0.5dB. > > > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > El 01/06/06 a las 0:28, ti at amb.org dijo : > > > > > roland writes: > > > > Here's my question. When I run a ZX tape through calibration, I am >able to > > > > get the LEDs steady at 0dB for the Level 400hz. However, I am not >able to > > > > get the LEDs as steady for the Bias 15khz. > > > > the Dragon's abilities when I record. > > > > ... > > > > Other Dragon owners, is this the norm for calibration? > > > > > > I can obtain a 0dB reading on the LED meter when doing the 15KHz bias > > > calibration on my Dragon (it's actually recording at -20dB, but the > > > meter is shows 20dB higher during this step for better display >resolution). > > > > > > Something is perhaps a bit "off" in your Dragon. > > > > > > -Ti > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > > Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day > > powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) > > http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com > > > > > > Los errores indetectables son infinitos en su variedad, > > en cambio los detectables por definición son limitados. > > > > Tercera Ley de fiabilidad de Gilb > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Thu Jun 1 13:58:45 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060601115845.16FFE26F55@smtp.amb.org> Alex Cozac writes: > BTW...I use ONLY "SX" type; cassettes...Till today NO Metal was loaded in my > lovely gifted Dragon unit!...As for me Metal blend tape worn more quickly > the heads...some other members do not agree with me... Your worries are indeed unfounded. There is no evidence that metal tapes wear the heads any more than other good tapes. By avoiding metal tapes you are depriving yourself of the added performance that metal tapes provide. -Ti From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jun 1 14:10:06 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:10:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060531204926.017fb008@pop.east.cox.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060531115831.0082d100@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20060531204926.017fb008@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <447ED91E.5090507@rcn.com> The idler of your CR-7 probably needed a new tire, as it does every couple of years, and for that, you replaced it with an AIWA???? What would you say of the person that sold off his car after it gave him problems because he neglected to change oil as required? Who needs a car with the daintiness of a poorly engineered engine? -- Ron roland wrote: > > I would have to agree 100% with this statement. Last year I sold my > CR7A because it developed problems just because the tape wrapped around > the pinch roller. What a miserable job it was getting the tape out of > the mechanism! It never did function correctly after this very small > snafu. I can tell you that before this incident, the CR7A recorded > very, very well and I was quite pleased. I just didn't like the > daintiness of the cassette mechanism. > > I owned a BX300 back in 1986 or somewhere around there. It last only 2 > years before it developed problems in the transport. Sold it also. > > I went back to an AIWA AD6550 and loved it although it did not record as > well as the BX300. > > I currently own a Dragon for the last 2 months or a little longer. It > would take a team of wild horses to remove my LOVELY Dragon from my > hands...and this is coming from a guy who hasn't learned how to properly > calibrate the Dragon! I just love the recordings and playback. > > It easily equals the record/playback of the CR7A with the daintiness of > a poorly engineered transport. > > > > >> With both decks at my disposal, my favourite was Dragon. When >> functioning properly, it was superior both in record and playback and >> used Nak's classic transport which was their best ever. >> I do agree there is probably more that can go wrong with one than a >> CR7 but it had a warmth that was captivating not to mention the >> extended bass response and fullness in its presentation. >> Feature wise the CR7 is loaded and is extremely easy to use but you >> dont have control of the recording parameters since the computer does >> everything for you. It also lacks punch-in recording which I find >> necessary for my purposes. >> >> Do you like driving a manual tranny or an automatic? From lenaw at flash.net Thu Jun 1 14:49:27 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 05:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration In-Reply-To: <20060601115845.16FFE26F55@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <20060601124927.59068.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Also the DRAGON has pad lifter so this will further decrease the wear to the head as well. Mike Ti Kan wrote: Alex Cozac writes: > BTW...I use ONLY "SX" type; cassettes...Till today NO Metal was loaded in my > lovely gifted Dragon unit!...As for me Metal blend tape worn more quickly > the heads...some other members do not agree with me... Your worries are indeed unfounded. There is no evidence that metal tapes wear the heads any more than other good tapes. By avoiding metal tapes you are depriving yourself of the added performance that metal tapes provide. -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 1 15:22:34 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:22:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration Message-ID: <447EEA1A.2010905@sbcglobal.net> Roland asks: " Here's my question. When I run a ZX tape through calibration, I am able to get the LEDs steady at 0dB for the Level 400hz. However, I am not able to get the LEDs as steady for the Bias 15khz." Ken says: Fist thing: make sure Dolby is off! It would have been such a nice treat for Nakamichi to have put a little LED indicator on the Dolby switch! But this sounds normal to me, as long as you can get them up to and past 0db. They tend to move around a bit, maybe one or two led's. I figured it was the flimsy feeling adjustment knobs. But when I loaded a new TDK MAXG, they would just lock into 0db and hold steady. That is the only tape that I have used that is just about perfect when calibrating the Dragon. I have some Sony Metal Master ceramic that is pretty good and I noticed I always have to turn down the knobs from where they were with the TDK's. My TDK MA's will bounce around a bit at first, but after 30 seconds or so they will get pretty stable.But they will still flicker up and down a bit. Anyway, don't worry. Just get them close to 0db and get recording. If you can't get a channel to 0db, eject the tape and start over. If it still won't get to 0db, clean the heads and tape path and demag the heads. Try again. If still won't get to 0db, try a different tape. If you still can't get to 0db after cleaning, demagnetizing, and new tape, then it might be time for service of the NAAC, orange caps replaced, etc... Enjoy your Dragon. They will make absolutely beautiful recordings that rival nice open reel machines. You really don't know how good a Dragon can sound until you hook it up directly to a live mic feed. A dragon can easily capture what on a lp, cd and even SACD. It is only when feed hot signals directly from my sound board that the limitations of cassette can be heard compared to a nice open reel deck. But even then it is a close call since you can dial in the Dragon to the tape so perfectly. Dragons are nice!! From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 1 15:36:58 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:36:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 trouble Message-ID: <447EED7A.6030306@sbcglobal.net> Hi everyone, My RX 505 has developed a little problem I can't figure out. When recording with auto reverse engaged, when it arrives at the end of side A, it reverses but instead of continuing the recording, it zero's the counter and goes into pause. I replaced the cam belt thinking it might be slipping, but the problem continues. Any ideas where to start? Thanks, Ken From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jun 1 15:49:11 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:49:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration Message-ID: Dear Mike! Yes I forgot...but I own so many Type 2 (Chrome) cassettes, that among us...I can live with such class cassettes! My best wishes, ALEX! >From: LENA WONG >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon calibration >Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 05:49:27 -0700 (PDT) > >Also the DRAGON has pad lifter so this will further decrease the wear to >the head as well. > > >Mike > >Ti Kan wrote: > Alex Cozac writes: > > BTW...I use ONLY "SX" type; cassettes...Till today NO Metal was loaded >in my > > lovely gifted Dragon unit!...As for me Metal blend tape worn more >quickly > > the heads...some other members do not agree with me... > >Your worries are indeed unfounded. There is no evidence that metal >tapes wear the heads any more than other good tapes. By avoiding >metal tapes you are depriving yourself of the added performance >that metal tapes provide. > >-Ti >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jun 1 15:52:50 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:52:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration Message-ID: Hello Ti! Could be...but I really don't want to spell $$$ more in cassettes, I already own an a "Arsenal"...of Type 2 SX...can live with them! Cheers, ALEX! >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon calibration >Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:58:45 -0700 (PDT) > >Alex Cozac writes: > > BTW...I use ONLY "SX" type; cassettes...Till today NO Metal was loaded >in my > > lovely gifted Dragon unit!...As for me Metal blend tape worn more >quickly > > the heads...some other members do not agree with me... > >Your worries are indeed unfounded. There is no evidence that metal >tapes wear the heads any more than other good tapes. By avoiding >metal tapes you are depriving yourself of the added performance >that metal tapes provide. > >-Ti >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jun 1 16:27:03 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 trouble In-Reply-To: <447EED7A.6030306@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060601142703.67223.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ken read the manual on selecting correct switch position for auto reverse recording( that is what I think is the problem) I can look up the service manual for a solution or cause Kannan Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: Hi everyone, My RX 505 has developed a little problem I can't figure out. When recording with auto reverse engaged, when it arrives at the end of side A, it reverses but instead of continuing the recording, it zero's the counter and goes into pause. I replaced the cam belt thinking it might be slipping, but the problem continues. Any ideas where to start? Thanks, Ken ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 1 16:36:53 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:36:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: <7C893AD3-6ABB-4B7A-B05F-5631F4F26FD6@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060601093653.00825570@earthlink.net> There are 3 components to tape speed stability Flutter is high frequency variation, much like vibrato. Wow is low frequency variation, below 10Hz if I remember correctly. It is heard a pitch wavering. Drift is speed variation. It cannot be heard unless one listens to sustained notes and has perfect pitch. I think the "speed jump" is better described as wow. Nakamichi training stressed the 3 different w/f weighting standards IEC, WRMS, JIS, and the traps one can fall into by looking only at the number. Those luck enough to have a Nak T100 anaylizer with the unweighted W/F function can attest to the wild movements of the peak meters...w/f is not a constant thing at all! New belts or tight belts load the motor slowing it down, so the evidence here suggests something else is happening. I believe the measurement tool is misleading. Speed would have to be read with a drift meter. I consider any w/f above 0.1% WRMS to be audible, and the PRB belt tested looks like it fails. Nakamichi belts were precision ground to be flat, and had directional arrows. I do not know the rationale behind the directional, but it mught be fun to reverse the PRB belt and remeasure! tom brucker At 12:28 PM 5/31/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> With the PRB FRM9.2 belt wow and flutter increased to between 0.11 and 0.16% with occasional peaks of up to 0.18%.  Speed jumped from 0.5% fast to 3.0% fast. Seems odd to me that the speed would be affected that much unless the deck had previously had its speed adjusted with the old belt slipping a lot, no? The W/F I can see being easily affected by a belt, but shouldn't the predominant factor for the speed be the sizes of the pulleys (fixed)?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 1 16:36:52 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:36:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20060531205633.0174e478@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060601093652.00825570@earthlink.net> Everything is normal with your Dragon. The 15kHz level will vary a bit. Nakamichi training specified that the proper alignment point was not he peak output, not the "in phase" condition for 'scope fans, and not an average peak level for 2 channels, but a compromise of all 3! The logic of this approach is that using only one of 3 criteria ignoring the other 2 does not perform as well. I know I fail to adequately describe the alignment method. It is easy if one has the Nak T100, both to perform and demonstrate. Let me challenge all you calibrators! Calibrate in the middle of the cassette, not at the beginning (see the change in peak variation) , and playback the 15kHz portion one day later and note the level change! Metal tape will not show much change, but EX tape will scare you! tom brucker At 09:00 PM 5/31/06 -0400, you wrote: >I am having a ball playing with my Dragon that I purchased about 2-3 months >ago. It has the stop squeak problem but Kannan pointed me in the right >direction with a Nak Service bulletin. > >Here's my question. When I run a ZX tape through calibration, I am able to >get the LEDs steady at 0dB for the Level 400hz. However, I am not able to >get the LEDs as steady for the Bias 15khz. > >I have not cleaned nor demagnetize the Dragon since I received the >unit. It records just fine but I want to be able to squeeze every once of >the Dragon's abilities when I record. > >Other Dragon owners, is this the norm for calibration? > >I was using a Sony ES metal tape. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Thu Jun 1 17:28:32 2006 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:28:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Speed influance in capstan belts Message-ID: <200606011528.k51FSfrw002564@zxe.naks.com> Kimo, Belt thickness will influance the absolute speed of the tape transport. In this case it is mentioned that the replacement belt is thicker than the original. That's why the speed is increased. Thinner belts will result in decrease of speed. The mechanics involved are simple. Part (about half) of the belt thickness should be added to the pulley size to get the effective circumference of the pulley. By increasing the belt thickness the effective circumferences of both pulleys is increased. Because the driving pulley is smallest, in terms of percentage the effective size of this pulley will increase more than on the larger capstan pulleys. Hence the increased speed. This can be corrected using the speed adjust of the classic mechanism's motor. The increased wow is not easily corrected and will be the result of the homogenity of the belt. Alas, this disqualifies the tried belt. Happy listening. Henk Schenk ---------------------------------------- From: "Kimo B. Yap" Subject: Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt > With the PRB FRM9.2 belt wow and flutter increased to between 0.11 > and 0.16% with occasional peaks of up to 0.18%. Speed jumped from > 0.5% fast to 3.0% fast. > Seems odd to me that the speed would be affected that much unless the deck had previously had its speed adjusted with the old belt slipping a lot, no? The W/F I can see being easily affected by a belt, but shouldn't the predominant factor for the speed be the sizes of the pulleys (fixed)? -kby ------------------------------- Per, Many manuals can be found in the scandinavian site of Thomas Larsson: http://www.naks.mine.nu/ You have a very nice collection. The 682 ZX is a very fine machine. The 600 and LX-3 are 2-head machines with the best of sound. Succes. Henk Schenk From: Subject: Hello ----- Any Nak litterature? Hi, As I am new to this forum I just want to say hello :-) I also would like to ask if you know of any litterature about Nakamichi tapedecks and / or about the the (old) Nakamichi company and their founders. I have gathered a lot of interesting stuff through the internet but I have not yet found any links to Nak books / litterature. I own a 600, a 682ZX, a LX3, a RX-202E and two BX-300E tapedeck - all bought during the last couple of years through the excellent Danish site www.dba.dk Due to my muscle disease I do not have them all up and running yet as I have to rest / stay in bed a lot. Look forward to learn a lot - and share what little I may know. Best Regards, Per From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 1 18:05:54 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 trouble In-Reply-To: <447EED7A.6030306@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060601160555.70772.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your deck probably is Ok. It depends which autoreverse is engaged. The one that is in a shape of a circle (for continuous autoreverse) will only record one side. You need the U shaped autoreverse engaged (switch to the left). This reversed and started recording on the B side on my RX-505. That's the other thing. You must start recording on side A, which you said you are doing, so that's not it. SJ --- Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My RX 505 has developed a little problem I can't figure out. When > recording with auto reverse engaged, when it arrives at the end of > side > A, it reverses but instead of continuing the recording, it zero's > the > counter and goes into pause. I replaced the cam belt thinking it > might > be slipping, but the problem continues. Any ideas where to start? > > > Thanks, > > Ken > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jun 1 18:06:35 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060601093652.00825570@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060601160635.90850.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom You are wonderful - in terms of giving us real valuable information on Nakamichi alignment and ofcourse trouble shooting. Whatever you say is true. Sometimes I find manual calibration with an output measuring tool - wide bandwidth multi meter or preferably an scope is better method. Looking at the waveform ( recorded say at 15 Khz at -20 to 30 dB ) and left right channel balance shows how well the tape is moving over record ( as well as playback )head. Nakamichi tape transport moves the tape so gently across the heads - it has to be as precise as possible to get the best of its technology. kannan Hi Tech wrote: Everything is normal with your Dragon. The 15kHz level will vary a bit. Nakamichi training specified that the proper alignment point was not he peak output, not the "in phase" condition for 'scope fans, and not an average peak level for 2 channels, but a compromise of all 3! The logic of this approach is that using only one of 3 criteria ignoring the other 2 does not perform as well. I know I fail to adequately describe the alignment method. It is easy if one has the Nak T100, both to perform and demonstrate. Let me challenge all you calibrators! Calibrate in the middle of the cassette, not at the beginning (see the change in peak variation) , and playback the 15kHz portion one day later and note the level change! Metal tape will not show much change, but EX tape will scare you! tom brucker At 09:00 PM 5/31/06 -0400, you wrote: >I am having a ball playing with my Dragon that I purchased about 2-3 months >ago. It has the stop squeak problem but Kannan pointed me in the right >direction with a Nak Service bulletin. > >Here's my question. When I run a ZX tape through calibration, I am able to >get the LEDs steady at 0dB for the Level 400hz. However, I am not able to >get the LEDs as steady for the Bias 15khz. > >I have not cleaned nor demagnetize the Dragon since I received the >unit. It records just fine but I want to be able to squeeze every once of >the Dragon's abilities when I record. > >Other Dragon owners, is this the norm for calibration? > >I was using a Sony ES metal tape. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Thu Jun 1 14:09:56 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:09:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hello ----- Any Nak litterature? In-Reply-To: <002201c684ea$da53da60$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <002201c684ea$da53da60$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060601080605.02d25d60@pop.videotron.ca> At 15:46 05/31/2006, you wrote: >Hi, > >As I am new to this forum I just want to say hello :-) > >I also would like to ask if you know of any litterature about >Nakamichi tapedecks and / or about the the (old) Nakamichi company >and their founders. I have gathered a lot of interesting stuff >through the internet but I have not yet found any links to Nak books >/ litterature. > >I own a 600, a 682ZX, a LX3, a RX-202E and two BX-300E tapedeck - >all bought during the last couple of years through the excellent >Danish site www.dba.dk Due to my muscle disease I do not have them >all up and running yet as I have to rest / stay in bed a lot. > >Look forward to learn a lot - and share what little I may know. > >Best Regards, > >Per Hi Per, Welcome to Naktalk. I don't of any site where you will find archives of Nak litterature and the likes but if you have any specific question, just go ahead and it is likely someone here will be able to help. Regards, -Marc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 1 17:26:55 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:26:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 trouble Message-ID: <447F073F.8060700@sbcglobal.net> Kannan says: "Hi Ken read the manual on selecting correct switch position for auto reverse recording( that is what I think is the problem) I can look up the service manual for a solution or cause" Ken replies: Hi Kannan, Seems you have been the busy beaver the last month or so! I need to gather up another dozen Naks to send to you for refurbish! :-) Well, I can assure you all the switches are in their proper places on this 505. I even worked the switches a bit to make sure one was not just dirty. I have not sprayed anything on them. I was sure it was the cam belt, so I just replaced it and put the cover back on. I noticed a slight delay in the movement of the heads from stop to play position sometimes, so I assumed the belt was slipping just a bit and was causing this. I have recorded at least 50 tapes with this deck before the trouble started. I was hoping someone had seen the symptom before. It is the main feature of the 505 ( reverse recording ) that I bought the deck. So we must get to the bottom of this!! Thanks for any help. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jun 1 20:05:44 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 trouble In-Reply-To: <447F073F.8060700@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060601180545.37846.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you have the service manual( it was in the CD that I sent you - later on through email ? There is one adjustment for reverse position sensing - using a preset. You can adjust that to get correct reverse sensing. Kannan Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: Kannan says: "Hi Ken read the manual on selecting correct switch position for auto reverse recording( that is what I think is the problem) I can look up the service manual for a solution or cause" Ken replies: Hi Kannan, Seems you have been the busy beaver the last month or so! I need to gather up another dozen Naks to send to you for refurbish! :-) Well, I can assure you all the switches are in their proper places on this 505. I even worked the switches a bit to make sure one was not just dirty. I have not sprayed anything on them. I was sure it was the cam belt, so I just replaced it and put the cover back on. I noticed a slight delay in the movement of the heads from stop to play position sometimes, so I assumed the belt was slipping just a bit and was causing this. I have recorded at least 50 tapes with this deck before the trouble started. I was hoping someone had seen the symptom before. It is the main feature of the 505 ( reverse recording ) that I bought the deck. So we must get to the bottom of this!! Thanks for any help. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Thu Jun 1 20:55:10 2006 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:55:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 trouble In-Reply-To: <20060601180545.37846.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Jun 1 21:57:58 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:57:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak litterature - THANKS Message-ID: <02e301c685b5$b6760340$b207010a@hurtignok> Henk Schenk, THANKS for your kind reply and a most valuable link to the Scandivian Nakamichi site (as I have not visited it before :-) I have already downloaded the manuals for my BX300E, 600 and 680 (682ZX) Per > Per, > Many manuals can be found in the scandinavian site of Thomas Larsson: > http://www.naks.mine.nu/ > > You have a very nice collection. The 682 ZX is a very fine machine. > The 600 and LX-3 are 2-head machines with the best of sound. > > Succes. > Henk Schenk > > > From: > Subject: Hello ----- Any Nak litterature? > > Hi, > As I am new to this forum I just want to say hello :-) > > I also would like to ask if you know of any litterature about Nakamichi > tapedecks and / or about the the (old) Nakamichi company and their founders. > I have gathered a lot of interesting stuff through the internet but I have > not yet found any links to Nak books / litterature. > > I own a 600, a 682ZX, a LX3, a RX-202E and two BX-300E tapedeck - all bought > during the last couple of years through the excellent Danish site www.dba.dk > Due to my muscle disease I do not have them all up and running yet as I have > to rest / stay in bed a lot. > > Look forward to learn a lot - and share what little I may know. > Best Regards, > Per -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugue4all at shaw.ca Thu Jun 1 22:43:29 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:43:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: <200606011442.k51EgHGQ002417@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0J07003HY886T5D0@l-daemon> Hi, guys: As a unrepentant owner of a Sanktified CR-7, I absolutely love the deck. True, the Sankyo mechanism is not as substantial as the Nak Classic one, (it has a wonderful origami-ish sensibility to it ;-))but my deck (after the sensible gear upgrade) has performed flawlessly, more so after Stephen worked his magic on it. I've only had to clean the cam motor on it--all the original caps are present and fine. It gets used ALOT, and lives happily alongside my LX-3 (had to do the caps on that) and my venerable 500 (built like a tank, but needed a disassembly/cleaning/lube). In my mind, it's all moot, since both my older and newer decks are still working perfectly many years after they were made. Happy Happy, Paul Dingle The idler of your CR-7 probably needed a new tire, as it does every couple of years, and for that, you replaced it with an AIWA???? What would you say of the person that sold off his car after it gave him problems because he neglected to change oil as required? Who needs a car with the daintiness of a poorly engineered engine? -- Ron roland wrote: > > I would have to agree 100% with this statement. Last year I sold my > CR7A because it developed problems just because the tape wrapped > around the pinch roller. What a miserable job it was getting the tape > out of the mechanism! It never did function correctly after this very > small snafu. I can tell you that before this incident, the CR7A > recorded very, very well and I was quite pleased. I just didn't like > the daintiness of the cassette mechanism. > > I owned a BX300 back in 1986 or somewhere around there. It last only > 2 years before it developed problems in the transport. Sold it also. From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Jun 1 22:46:38 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:46:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals: RX-202E, LX-3, 682ZX Message-ID: <003001c685bc$7eaef960$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, Where can I download - or buy - user / service manuals for the RX-202E, LX-3 and 682ZX? I paid 25 dollars in total for a paper manual for my BX300E at www.servicemanuals.net - but the quality was not impressive. A couple of the fold out pages even had cut out come text. Best Regards, Per -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The AIWA took over the duties of the BX300 when the Nak developed problems. The CR7A was sold last year because it would not run reliably after a simple taep wrap around the roller. It was just not the same afterwards and that's why I decided to get a Dragon. I've yet to hear of someone complain about the reliability of a Dragon. . ---- Ron wrote: > > The idler of your CR-7 probably needed a new tire, as > it does every couple of years, and for that, you replaced > it with an AIWA???? > > What would you say of the person that sold off his car > after it gave him problems because he neglected to > change oil as required? Who needs a car with the > daintiness of a poorly engineered engine? > > -- Ron > > > roland wrote: > > > > I would have to agree 100% with this statement. Last year I sold my > > CR7A because it developed problems just because the tape wrapped around > > the pinch roller. What a miserable job it was getting the tape out of > > the mechanism! It never did function correctly after this very small > > snafu. I can tell you that before this incident, the CR7A recorded > > very, very well and I was quite pleased. I just didn't like the > > daintiness of the cassette mechanism. > > > > I owned a BX300 back in 1986 or somewhere around there. It last only 2 > > years before it developed problems in the transport. Sold it also. > > > > I went back to an AIWA AD6550 and loved it although it did not record as > > well as the BX300. > > > > I currently own a Dragon for the last 2 months or a little longer. It > > would take a team of wild horses to remove my LOVELY Dragon from my > > hands...and this is coming from a guy who hasn't learned how to properly > > calibrate the Dragon! I just love the recordings and playback. > > > > It easily equals the record/playback of the CR7A with the daintiness of > > a poorly engineered transport. > > > > > > > > > >> With both decks at my disposal, my favourite was Dragon. When > >> functioning properly, it was superior both in record and playback and > >> used Nak's classic transport which was their best ever. > >> I do agree there is probably more that can go wrong with one than a > >> CR7 but it had a warmth that was captivating not to mention the > >> extended bass response and fullness in its presentation. > >> Feature wise the CR7 is loaded and is extremely easy to use but you > >> dont have control of the recording parameters since the computer does > >> everything for you. It also lacks punch-in recording which I find > >> necessary for my purposes. > >> > >> Do you like driving a manual tranny or an automatic? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jun 1 23:38:00 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:38:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Speed influance in capstan belts Message-ID: <6EEAD2C2-3B42-4F9C-8312-12BB00ED0BB8@alumni.caltech.edu> OK, you're right. I stand corrected. Sorry; I'm still in the days of massless rigid rods and frictionless pulleys (and infinitesimally thick belts). That's why I became a chemist :-).- kby From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 2 06:46:17 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Help needed: 680zx In-Reply-To: <38A883CF-B97E-4B92-961C-CCE89EA300EE@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060602044617.96741.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kimo, Regarding the meters on the 680ZX. Is there any of that brown glue on the back of the meter board? If so scrape all of it off. I've problems on about 50% of my MR-1's and it's due to brown glue turning conductive or breaking traces on the meter board. I've also seen it cause autoshut off problem on a TD-500 and bias trap problem on an MR-1. SJ --- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > da da da-daaahh...Tom > > Indeed, most of the symptoms were the infamouns stop light mute > problem. I actually thought the stop light worked when I got the > deck > but it sure wasn't now. 'Course, it was the only light out on the > control panel. > > And I've even had a similar issue (as posted elsewhere) on the > 700zxl > with the tape memory lights...but it didn't look (with my meager > schemo reading skills) that this was the same setup. Did Nak put > out > TSBs on this stuff? What other decks have this type of issue (I > think > Scott/Kannan mentioned a 48x deck). > > Is there a good part number & source for the bulbs? I've got a > number > of decks with a lot of bulbs (a 1000zxl has about 40...times > 3...plus > some others....)? I have the part list but it's always hard to > match > current and physical size on the internet. Thanks in advance... > > The only other problem on the 680 appears to be in the meters and > it > affects all the segments. To refresh (and with real signals > now...), > when a signal is present, then all of the segments are on in a sort > > of flickering and very dim mode. The flickering doesn't seem to > match > the signal amplitude, and all segments seem to kind of faintly > glow, > not just the ones that "should." I did measure the incoming signal > and its 5-7VDC steady with the cal tone (slightly different for > each > channel; I know how to adjust this but it's kind of pointless > without > the > meter working sufficiently). It drops to zero at a slow rate if you > > switch out of Cal mode, so appears to match the expected ballistic > > characteristics > (also speeds up more in the drop if you switch to VU mode).-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jun 2 00:43:00 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:43:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration Message-ID: <5D61535A-44D6-4BFC-9AFC-A01CA8E1D07B@alumni.caltech.edu> Per your original message: > I have not cleaned nor demagnetize the Dragon since I received the > unit. It records just fine but I want to be able to squeeze every > once of > the Dragon's abilities when I record. > I'd certainly clean and demag the heads before > but I think I'll send it out for some routine calibration and > mechanical adjustment at either ESL or Liberman Sound. -kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenkirk at gte.net Fri Jun 2 01:00:04 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:00:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 trouble Message-ID: <447F7174.5030707@gte.net> Kannan says: "If you have the service manual( it was in the CD that I sent you - later on through email ? There is one adjustment for reverse position sensing - using a preset. You can adjust that to get correct reverse sensing." Ken replies: Thanks Kannan. I will give it a good looking over and get back to you. After spending hours and hours tracing the schematic to find that broken power transistor socket, you would think I would have the manual memorized! BTW, for anyone with a RX 505 that has ff or rw issues that are not related to the tape tension circuit, I discovered that the power transistors that drive the reel motor are placed in a transistor socket and not soldered to the board directly. These transistors are large with heat sinks and are not secured to anything. During shipment from Kannan's, one of the legs broke on the transistor socket that powered the reel in ff. It took a while to trace it. Anyway, to my eyes it is a design defect. The transistors should be mounted direcly to the board and secured. They are not on my 505. UPS can drop kick these decks for up to 25 yards just for fun. Ken From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Fri Jun 2 01:11:52 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:11:52 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak litterature - THANKS References: <02e301c685b5$b6760340$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <005201c685d0$c4d6efb0$c82a99de@main> I agree. The 600 is fabulous. Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Per To: Naktalk Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 7:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak litterature - THANKS Henk Schenk, THANKS for your kind reply and a most valuable link to the Scandivian Nakamichi site (as I have not visited it before :-) I have already downloaded the manuals for my BX300E, 600 and 680 (682ZX) Per > Per, > Many manuals can be found in the scandinavian site of Thomas Larsson: > http://www.naks.mine.nu/ > > You have a very nice collection. The 682 ZX is a very fine machine. > The 600 and LX-3 are 2-head machines with the best of sound. > > Succes. > Henk Schenk > > > From: > Subject: Hello ----- Any Nak litterature? > > Hi, > As I am new to this forum I just want to say hello :-) > > I also would like to ask if you know of any litterature about Nakamichi > tapedecks and / or about the the (old) Nakamichi company and their founders. > I have gathered a lot of interesting stuff through the internet but I have > not yet found any links to Nak books / litterature. > > I own a 600, a 682ZX, a LX3, a RX-202E and two BX-300E tapedeck - all bought > during the last couple of years through the excellent Danish site www.dba.dk > Due to my muscle disease I do not have them all up and running yet as I have > to rest / stay in bed a lot. > > Look forward to learn a lot - and share what little I may know. > Best Regards, > Per ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 1/06/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenkirk at gte.net Fri Jun 2 05:17:39 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:17:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 trouble Message-ID: <447FADD3.1040607@gte.net> OK, more information about the RX 505. The trouble is in playback also. When the auto reverse switch is on but in semi loop, it reaches the end of side A, it reverses, then plays for an instant, then stops. If I have the autoreverse switch in the loop mode, when finishing side A, it reverses, starts to play side B for an instant, ( maybe .5 secs of music) then stops, reverses back to side A, goes into play, then stops. So the trouble is in play as well as record. Something is out of adjustment....? It does play and record perfectly, it just will not reverse correctly. When you push the reverse button during play, it will reverse, start to play, then go into stop.If it is in reverse loop, it will switch back to side A and start to play, then stop. I noticed the supply reel seems to not turn right after it starts to play after reversing. I think maybe the tape sensing circuit is stopping the deck. It does ff and rw fine. Any ideas?? Thanks, Ken From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jun 2 07:33:30 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:33:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed: 680zx Message-ID: <69C85B0A-2A47-483E-823B-27B6F726A4C8@alumni.caltech.edu> > Is there any of that brown glue > on the back of the meter board? Thanks--didn't see any that I can recall (this is the fluoroscan meter and the boards are screwed in to the metal shell)--or are you referring to what I always thought was flux? There wasn't a large amount of it, but there was some around a few contacts--other than that a careful visual of the 3 boards for the display look pretty clean in terms of the traces and such. May be a small amount of flux that bridges, and I will check that--thanks for reminding me; I do now recall that rosin can be conductive and the voltages in some of the display may be high enough for that. I've noticed that the RAMM numbers as well as the scale parts are fine; just the sound level segments.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gilkinted at hotmail.com Fri Jun 2 10:59:20 2006 From: gilkinted at hotmail.com (Allan Morris) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] worth buying this 582? Message-ID: remember mail templateI'm sorely tempted to buy a VGC 582 on e-bay (see listing) but it is not performing correctly. The seller states that 'the HF is not present and the sound is muffled'. Does anyone consider these symptoms to point to a specific problem, azimuth for example, or could it be a large can of worms. I know the 582 if pretty 'tweakable'. Regards - Allan Morris (gilkinted at hotmail.com) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9732141846&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:UK:1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Fri Jun 2 11:30:53 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 05:30:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 trouble Message-ID: <420.26251ae.31b15f4d@aol.com> If the reverse mechanism is not set up correctly this will happen. When you eject the tape is the tape parallel to the front of the deck? If the drawer is open and you turn off the deck and then flip it to side b and close the drawer and then turn it on what happens? If it goes back to side A or will it then play OK? Dean In a message dated 6/2/2006 3:20:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kenkirk at gte.net writes: OK, more information about the RX 505. The trouble is in playback also. When the auto reverse switch is on but in semi loop, it reaches the end of side A, it reverses, then plays for an instant, then stops. If I have the autoreverse switch in the loop mode, when finishing side A, it reverses, starts to play side B for an instant, ( maybe .5 secs of music) then stops, reverses back to side A, goes into play, then stops. So the trouble is in play as well as record. Something is out of adjustment....? It does play and record perfectly, it just will not reverse correctly. When you push the reverse button during play, it will reverse, start to play, then go into stop.If it is in reverse loop, it will switch back to side A and start to play, then stop. I noticed the supply reel seems to not turn right after it starts to play after reversing. I think maybe the tape sensing circuit is stopping the deck. It does ff and rw fine. Any ideas?? Thanks, Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 2 15:01:43 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:01:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals: RX-202E, LX-3, 682ZX In-Reply-To: <003001c685bc$7eaef960$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <003001c685bc$7eaef960$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <448036B7.8080403@rcn.com> Per wrote: > Hi, > > Where can I download - or buy - user / service manuals for the RX-202E, > LX-3 and 682ZX? I paid 25 dollars in total for a paper manual for my > BX300E at www.servicemanuals.net - but > the quality was not impressive. A couple of the fold out pages even had > cut out come text. > > Best Regards, > > Per Per, It's a shame you paid that much for a mediocre BX-300 service manual. I have this manual (or, at least, most of it) as pdf files, that I put together from two different sources. I have the RX202 service manual and 682 owner manual. Not the best quality, either, but quite usable and will cost infinitely less :-). What is the largest file size you can accept as an attachment? -- Ron From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 2 15:13:02 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:13:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 trouble Message-ID: <4480395E.70404@sbcglobal.net> Dean asks: "If the reverse mechanism is not set up correctly this will happen. When you eject the tape is the tape parallel to the front of the deck? If the drawer is open and you turn off the deck and then flip it to side b and close the drawer and then turn it on what happens? If it goes back to side A or will it then play OK?" Dean Ken says: When I eject the tape, it is parallel to the front. When I eject, then switch the power off, I cannot manually switch the tray to side B, it seems locked. I did notice while watching the deck mess up, that when it reverses and starts to play, the take up reel is going backwards. So it is creating a loop in the tape and the tension circuit is shutting down the deck. If I keep pushing play, each time the take up reel moves backwards just a bit and the deck stops. After several pushes of the play button, it has created a mess of the tape. Hmmm.... From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 2 15:21:05 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:21:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 Message-ID: <44803B41.2070102@sbcglobal.net> More information OK, let me clarify. Just after reversing, the take up reel is not going backwards ( dam the upside down transport!!! ), the trouble is the supply reel is not turning, so it creates a loop and the deck stops. It just started to work correctly, so I think I need to give the pinch rollers and capstans a good cleaning and check the tension and movement of the pinch rollers just to make sure. Ken From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 2 15:30:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:30:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] worth buying this 582? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44803D5F.4080107@rcn.com> Allan Morris wrote: > I'm sorely tempted to buy a VGC 582 on e-bay (see listing) but it is not > performing correctly. The seller states that 'the HF is not present and > the sound is muffled'. > Does anyone consider these symptoms to point to a specific problem, > azimuth for example, or could it be a large can of worms. I know the 582 > if pretty 'tweakable'. > > Regards - Allan Morris (gilkinted at hotmail.com > ) > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPIdll?ViewItem&item=9732141846&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:UK:1 > This could be as simple as head alignment. If so, the current asking price (For £20) is enticing. -- Ron From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 2 16:46:41 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:46:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 trouble Message-ID: <44804F51.8030209@sbcglobal.net> More information and clarification: It is the take up reel that sometimes does not turn after reversing. It seems to be getting worse. So I am thinking I have a transport problem that shows itself after reversing. It does ff and rw correctly. Once it starts to play, it sounds great. Where to start? Sorry for all of the confusion on the earlier posts, this upside down transport messes with my feeble brain... Ken From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 2 21:17:36 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:17:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration In-Reply-To: <20060601160635.90850.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060601093652.00825570@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060602141736.00829d70@earthlink.net> One neat piece of test equipment is a dual needle AC voltmeter. Leader LMV-185A is one model. While rare, they can be found, and work well when trying to peak azimuth or adjusting bias and level ( 2 needles = stereo) tom brucker At 09:06 AM 6/1/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom You are wonderful - in terms of giving us real valuable information on Nakamichi alignment and ofcourse trouble shooting. Whatever you say is true. Sometimes I find manual calibration with an output measuring tool - wide bandwidth multi meter or preferably an scope is better method. Looking at the waveform ( recorded say at 15 Khz at -20 to 30 dB ) and left right channel balance shows how well the tape is moving over record ( as well as playback )head. Nakamichi tape transport moves the tape so gently across the heads - it has to be as precise as possible to get the best of its technology. kannan Hi Tech < wrote: Everything is normal with your Dragon. The 15kHz level will vary a bit. Nakamichi training specified that the proper alignment point was not he peak output, not the "in phase" condition for 'scope fans, and not an average peak level for 2 channels, but a compromise of all 3! The logic of this approach is that using only one of 3 criteria ignoring the other 2 does not perform as well. I know I fail to adequately describe the alignment method. It is easy if one has the Nak T100, both to perform and demonstrate. Let me challenge all you calibrators! Calibrate in the middle of the cassette, not at the beginning (see the change in peak variation) , and playback the 15kHz portion one day later and note the level change! Metal tape will not show much change, but EX tape will scare you! tom brucker At 09:00 PM 5/31/06 -0400, you wrote: >I am having a ball playing with my Dragon that I purchased about 2-3 months >ago. It has the stop squeak problem but Kannan pointed me in the right >direction with a Nak Service bulletin. > >Here's my question. When I run a ZX tape through calibration, I am able to >get the LEDs steady at 0dB for the Level 400hz. However, I am not able to >get the LEDs as steady for the Bias 15khz. > >I have not cleaned nor demagnetize the Dragon since I received the >unit. It records just fine but I want to be able to squeeze every once of >the Dragon's abilities when I record. > >Other Dragon owners, is this the norm for calibration? > >I was using a Sony ES metal tape. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy <free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From tomas at tlec.se Fri Jun 2 18:28:10 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:28:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals: RX-202E, LX-3, 682ZX In-Reply-To: <448036B7.8080403@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron, upload it to me, and I'll publish it. Planning to put the latest collection on the site this weekend. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 3:02 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals: RX-202E, LX-3, 682ZX > > Per wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Where can I download - or buy - user / service manuals for the > > RX-202E, > > LX-3 and 682ZX? I paid 25 dollars in total for a paper > manual for my > > BX300E at www.servicemanuals.net > - but > > the quality was not impressive. A couple of the fold out pages even > > had cut out come text. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Per > > Per, > > It's a shame you paid that much for a mediocre BX-300 service > manual. I have this manual (or, at least, most of it) as pdf > files, that I put together from two different sources. > > I have the RX202 service manual and 682 owner manual. > Not the best quality, either, but quite usable and will cost > infinitely less :-). What is the largest file size you can > accept as an attachment? > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From bjhansen at stofanet.dk Fri Jun 2 19:03:03 2006 From: bjhansen at stofanet.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Hansen?=) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:03:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E Not Playing! Message-ID: <000001c68666$69525f30$bb4f6b3e@bj6nc2ywudoche> Help Me! I have just bought a defective BX-300E off ebay. What it does is! When i put in a tape. It winds the tape a couple of revs. When i then push "PLAY", it sits for about half a second, then attempts to start. It rotates approximately 1-2 revs, and then stops. The heads do not engage. When i started to meddle with it, it could wind both "Fast Forward" and "Rew". Now it won't even do that. On the cam-motor i can measure, in approximately one second intervals, a voltage of 7,40 Volts. Bjørn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jun 2 21:00:14 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:00:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] worth buying this 582? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44808ABE.3020607@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Allan, This could be as simple as heads that need a good cleaning, or azinuth error, or misadjustment of the playback and record EQ (or bias) or in the worst case the heads could be shot. Not likely on the heads, though. Allan Morris wrote: > I'm sorely tempted to buy a VGC 582 on e-bay (see listing) but it is not > performing correctly. The seller states that 'the HF is not present and > the sound is muffled'. > Does anyone consider these symptoms to point to a specific problem, > azimuth for example, or could it be a large can of worms. I know the 582 > if pretty 'tweakable'. > > Regards - Allan Morris (gilkinted at hotmail.com > ) > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPIdll?ViewItem&item=9732141846&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:UK:1 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jun 2 21:03:40 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:03:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak litterature - THANKS In-Reply-To: <005201c685d0$c4d6efb0$c82a99de@main> References: <02e301c685b5$b6760340$b207010a@hurtignok> <005201c685d0$c4d6efb0$c82a99de@main> Message-ID: <44808B8C.2030407@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Donald, Donald Sangster wrote: > I agree. The 600 is fabulous. Me too! My most favorite Nak is the 600 and 600-II! ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Per > *To:* Naktalk > *Sent:* Friday, June 02, 2006 7:57 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nak litterature - THANKS > > /Henk Schenk, THANKS for your kind reply and a *most* valuable link > to the Scandivian Nakamichi site (as I have not visited it before > :-) I have already downloaded the manuals for my BX300E, 600 and 680 > (682ZX) Per/ > > > Per, > > Many manuals can be found in the scandinavian site of Thomas > Larsson: > > http://www.naks.mine.nu/ > > > > You have a very nice collection. The 682 ZX is a very fine machine. > > The 600 and LX-3 are 2-head machines with the best of sound. > > > > Succes. > > Henk Schenk > > > > > > From: > > > Subject: Hello ----- Any Nak litterature? > > > > Hi, > > As I am new to this forum I just want to say hello :-) > > > > I also would like to ask if you know of any litterature about > Nakamichi > > tapedecks and / or about the the (old) Nakamichi company and > their founders. > > I have gathered a lot of interesting stuff through the internet > but I have > > not yet found any links to Nak books / litterature. > > > > I own a 600, a 682ZX, a LX3, a RX-202E and two BX-300E tapedeck - > all bought > > during the last couple of years through the excellent Danish site > www.dba.dk > > Due to my muscle disease I do not have them all up and running > yet as I have > > to rest / stay in bed a lot. > > > > Look forward to learn a lot - and share what little I may know. > > Best Regards, > > Per > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Fri Jun 2 22:10:45 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:10:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals: RX-202E, LX-3, 682ZX - Thank you Message-ID: <000c01c68680$a36ec7c0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Ron, GREAT NEWS - thanks for your very kind offer :-) My mailbox can accept 10 MB attachments (just tried one) but I have almost 100 MB of space in my mailbox, so if you can split the documents (?) it would be GREAT. I tried to fiddle with the advanced settings for my mailbox, and it seems as if I can receive attachments of max 16 MB - and as an option let the mailbox split them into several chunks if necessary (have not done that yet). THANKS again - and please tell me how much I owe you for that. Best Regards, Per > Per, > > It's a shame you paid that much for a mediocre BX-300 > service manual. I have this manual (or, at least, most > of it) as pdf files, that I put together from two > different sources. > > I have the RX202 service manual and 682 owner manual. > Not the best quality, either, but quite usable and > will cost infinitely less :-). What is the largest > file size you can accept as an attachment? > > -- Ron Per wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Where can I download - or buy - user / service manuals for the RX-202E, >> LX-3 and 682ZX? I paid 25 dollars in total for a paper manual for my >> BX300E at www.servicemanuals.net - but >> the quality was not impressive. A couple of the fold out pages even had >> cut out come text. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Per -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 2 22:37:45 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:37:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] rx 505 trouble Message-ID: <4480A199.1030304@sbcglobal.net> Well I think it is fixed. The repaired transistor socket had developed enough resistance to keep the take up reel from starting fast enough after reverse and tripping the tension circuit. So this time I just did what I should have done the first time. I removed both of the transistor sockets, reamed out the holes a tad, and soldered the transistors directly to the board. Both the ff and rw transistors share a common heat sink. So I had to remove both of the sockets and solder both transistors direct to the board. Of course it was in a tight corner under the tranny. It reminded me of root canals... :-) I don't know if Nak used those sockets on other decks, but if so they are not durable. All is working correctly again. Now I must find something else to fix.... Ken From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 3 01:27:28 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:27:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] worth buying this 582? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060602182728.0082a530@earthlink.net> As suggested earlier, it could be cleaning. The inviting white head adjustment knobs often proved inviting for tinkerers, so head alignment is most likely needed. After you buy the deck for a song, remove the head cover and clean, put in a known good sounding recording, and set your amplifier to mono. Adjust only the right most white dial with a small flat blade screwdriver. Move the setting slowly, and keep going in the direction that seems to improve the sound. When you are close to maximum treble, fine tune it by switching between mono and stereo, and set for minimum difference in timbre. The record head settings are not easily tweakable, but you can set the left most control for best treble while recording, but do not attempt to adjust the two sets of interlocked white screws. tom brucker At 09:59 AM 6/2/06 +0100, you wrote: >>>> I'm sorely tempted to buy a VGC 582 on e-bay (see listing) but it is not performing correctly. The seller states that 'the HF is not present and the sound is muffled'. Does anyone consider these symptoms to point to a specific problem, azimuth for example, or could it be a large can of worms. I know the 582 if pretty 'tweakable'. Regards - Allan Morris (gilkinted at hotmail.com) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPIdll?ViewItem&item=97321418 46&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:UK:1 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 3 01:18:48 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:18:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E Not Playing! In-Reply-To: <000001c68666$69525f30$bb4f6b3e@bj6nc2ywudoche> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060602181848.0082ad80@earthlink.net> Bjorn, Welcome to the NakTalk group. Dean in our group is a source for the idler tire you need, and he provides instructions on replacement. It is a "Do It Yourself" job. tom brucker At 07:03 PM 6/2/06 +0200, you wrote: >>>> Help Me! I have just bought a defective BX-300E off ebay. What it does is! When i put in a tape. It winds the tape a couple of revs. When i then push "PLAY", it sits for about half a second, then attempts to start. It rotates approximately 1-2 revs, and then stops. The heads do not engage. When i started to meddle with it, it could wind both "Fast Forward" and "Rew". Now it won't even do that. On the cam-motor i can measure, in approximately one second intervals, a voltage of 7,40 Volts. Bjørn ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 3 00:40:24 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:40:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E Not Playing! In-Reply-To: <000001c68666$69525f30$bb4f6b3e@bj6nc2ywudoche> References: <000001c68666$69525f30$bb4f6b3e@bj6nc2ywudoche> Message-ID: <4480BE58.3060809@rcn.com> Bjørn Hansen wrote: > Help Me! > > I have just bought a defective BX-300E off ebay. What it does is! When i > put in a tape. It winds the tape a couple of revs. When i then push "PLAY", > it sits for about half a second, then attempts to start. It rotates > approximately 1-2 revs, and then stops. The heads do not engage. When i > started to meddle > with it, it could wind both "Fast Forward" and "Rew". Now it won't even > do that. On the cam-motor i can measure, in approximately one second > intervals, a voltage > of 7,40 Volts. > > Bjørn The fact that the BX-300 won't FF or REW is a good sign. You probably need a new tire for the idler. Try to clean it throughly. If this cures the problem, even for a short while, replace the idler. -- Ron From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sat Jun 3 01:15:34 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:15:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <4480C696.6060402@caribsurf.com> As the Aiwa XK009 has been out of service for some time, I have not been playing tapes through a high quality machine. This afternoon, I have been listening to the BX300 on some tapes, both commercial and home recorded, and the quality is impressive - I had forgotten how good they can sound! Paul From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Jun 3 04:35:00 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:35:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed: 680zx Message-ID: *Sigh* No go on the brown stuff. Got it off pretty well, but didn't really change things at all (not even some change as if it was done poorly).-kby From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Sat Jun 3 06:47:04 2006 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:47:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Switch on RX-505--Any suggestions? Message-ID: I have a 505 which has developed a problem. While it plays and records fine, when you engage the dolby c switch it just wont stay in when pushed in. This means you either live with dolby b or use the deck withot dolby. Any suggestions on how to remedy this dilemma. I am not a hands on tech so fixing it myself is not a possibility. Thanks for all your inputs in responding. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 3 00:47:21 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:47:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals: RX-202E, LX-3, 682ZX - Thank you - RX202 Files #1 & 2 In-Reply-To: <000c01c68680$a36ec7c0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <000c01c68680$a36ec7c0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <4480BFF9.1040609@rcn.com> Per wrote: > /Hi Ron, GREAT NEWS - thanks for your very kind offer :-) My mailbox can > accept 10 MB attachments (just tried one) but I have almost 100 MB of > space in my mailbox, so if you can split the documents (?) it would be > GREAT. I tried to fiddle with the advanced settings for my mailbox, and > it seems as if I can receive attachments of max 16 MB - and as an option > let the mailbox split them into several chunks if necessary (have not > done that yet). THANKS again - and please tell me how much I owe you for > that. Best Regards, Per/ > // > > Per, > > > > It's a shame you paid that much for a mediocre BX-300 > > service manual. I have this manual (or, at least, most > > of it) as pdf files, that I put together from two > > different sources. > > > > I have the RX202 service manual and 682 owner manual. > > Not the best quality, either, but quite usable and > > will cost infinitely less :-). What is the largest > > file size you can accept as an attachment? > > > > -- Ron > Per wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Where can I download - or buy - user / service manuals for the RX-202E, > >> LX-3 and 682ZX? I paid 25 dollars in total for a paper manual for my > >> BX300E at www.servicemanuals.net > - but > >> the quality was not impressive. A couple of the fold out pages even had > >> cut out come text. > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> > >> Per -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried to fiddle with the advanced settings for my mailbox, and > it seems as if I can receive attachments of max 16 MB - and as an option > let the mailbox split them into several chunks if necessary (have not > done that yet). THANKS again - and please tell me how much I owe you for > that. Best Regards, Per/ > // > > Per, > > > > It's a shame you paid that much for a mediocre BX-300 > > service manual. I have this manual (or, at least, most > > of it) as pdf files, that I put together from two > > different sources. > > > > I have the RX202 service manual and 682 owner manual. > > Not the best quality, either, but quite usable and > > will cost infinitely less :-). What is the largest > > file size you can accept as an attachment? > > > > -- Ron > Per wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Where can I download - or buy - user / service manuals for the RX-202E, > >> LX-3 and 682ZX? I paid 25 dollars in total for a paper manual for my > >> BX300E at www.servicemanuals.net > - but > >> the quality was not impressive. A couple of the fold out pages even had > >> cut out come text. > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> > >> Per -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Nak682ZX_OwnerMan.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 1889745 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 3 00:48:03 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:48:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals: RX-202E, LX-3, 682ZX - Thank you RX202 - File #3 In-Reply-To: <000c01c68680$a36ec7c0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <000c01c68680$a36ec7c0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <4480C023.80806@rcn.com> Per wrote: > /Hi Ron, GREAT NEWS - thanks for your very kind offer :-) My mailbox can > accept 10 MB attachments (just tried one) but I have almost 100 MB of > space in my mailbox, so if you can split the documents (?) it would be > GREAT. I tried to fiddle with the advanced settings for my mailbox, and > it seems as if I can receive attachments of max 16 MB - and as an option > let the mailbox split them into several chunks if necessary (have not > done that yet). THANKS again - and please tell me how much I owe you for > that. Best Regards, Per/ > // > > Per, > > > > It's a shame you paid that much for a mediocre BX-300 > > service manual. I have this manual (or, at least, most > > of it) as pdf files, that I put together from two > > different sources. > > > > I have the RX202 service manual and 682 owner manual. > > Not the best quality, either, but quite usable and > > will cost infinitely less :-). What is the largest > > file size you can accept as an attachment? > > > > -- Ron > Per wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Where can I download - or buy - user / service manuals for the RX-202E, > >> LX-3 and 682ZX? I paid 25 dollars in total for a paper manual for my > >> BX300E at www.servicemanuals.net > - but > >> the quality was not impressive. A couple of the fold out pages even had > >> cut out come text. > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> > >> Per -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NakRX202_ServiceMan3.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 4918068 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 3 00:48:41 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:48:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals: RX-202E, LX-3, 682ZX - Thank you - File #4 In-Reply-To: <000c01c68680$a36ec7c0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <000c01c68680$a36ec7c0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <4480C049.70100@rcn.com> Per wrote: > /Hi Ron, GREAT NEWS - thanks for your very kind offer :-) My mailbox can > accept 10 MB attachments (just tried one) but I have almost 100 MB of > space in my mailbox, so if you can split the documents (?) it would be > GREAT. I tried to fiddle with the advanced settings for my mailbox, and > it seems as if I can receive attachments of max 16 MB - and as an option > let the mailbox split them into several chunks if necessary (have not > done that yet). THANKS again - and please tell me how much I owe you for > that. Best Regards, Per/ > // > > Per, > > > > It's a shame you paid that much for a mediocre BX-300 > > service manual. I have this manual (or, at least, most > > of it) as pdf files, that I put together from two > > different sources. > > > > I have the RX202 service manual and 682 owner manual. > > Not the best quality, either, but quite usable and > > will cost infinitely less :-). What is the largest > > file size you can accept as an attachment? > > > > -- Ron > Per wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Where can I download - or buy - user / service manuals for the RX-202E, > >> LX-3 and 682ZX? I paid 25 dollars in total for a paper manual for my > >> BX300E at www.servicemanuals.net > - but > >> the quality was not impressive. A couple of the fold out pages even had > >> cut out come text. > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> > >> Per -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NakRX202_ServiceMan4.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 4060427 bytes Desc: not available URL: From N4229K at aol.com Sat Jun 3 13:05:35 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:05:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E Not Playing! Message-ID: <407.328dd30.31b2c6ff@aol.com> If you need a new idler tire I have then in stock. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any suggestions on how to remedy this dilemma. I am not a hands on tech so fixing it myself is not a possibility. Thanks for all your inputs in responding." Ken says: These are always the problems that cause the greif. You don't want to spend the money to tear into the deck to just fix a switch, but you need the switch. If you think it would benefit from lubrication, belt changes, and alignment, then I would send it in for service and get the switch fixed. But if you want to wait until it has other problems, then I would make a little black rubber wedge to push next to the switch to hold it on Dolby C. Leave it long enough so you can pull it out for Dolby B. Here in the South, we are king of this type of engineering! :-) From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Jun 3 18:25:53 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:25:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals: RX-202E, LX-3, 682ZX - Thank you - RX202 Files #1 & 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c68680$a36ec7c0$b207010a@hurtignok> <4480BFF9.1040609@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4481B811.9090009@yahoo.ca> There are some on dialup that will not be happy! Mikkel Breiler a écrit : > On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:47:21 -0400, Ron wrote: > > You sent your messages with binary attachments to the whole mailing list! > > -Mikkel > From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Jun 3 19:28:53 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:28:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals: RX-202E, LX-3, 682ZX - Thank you - RX202 Files #1 & 2 In-Reply-To: <4481B811.9090009@yahoo.ca> References: <000c01c68680$a36ec7c0$b207010a@hurtignok> <4480BFF9.1040609@rcn.com> <4481B811.9090009@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4481C6D5.90408@cox.net> But I was happy to add them to my collection. Thanks! Antoine Deschênes wrote: > There are some on dialup that will not be happy! > > Mikkel Breiler a écrit : >> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:47:21 -0400, Ron wrote: >> >> You sent your messages with binary attachments to the whole mailing >> list! >> >> -Mikkel >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gray) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:10:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals: RX-202E, LX-3, 682ZX - Thank you - RX202 Files #1 & 2 In-Reply-To: <4481B811.9090009@yahoo.ca> References: <000c01c68680$a36ec7c0$b207010a@hurtignok> <4480BFF9.1040609@rcn.com> <4481B811.9090009@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4481DEBB.8010801@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > There are some on dialup that will not be happy! I'm on dialup but I had a friend set my mail filters to kill any message with a binary attachment UNLESS the address is in an "approved" list. A lot of spam has binary attachments. > Mikkel Breiler a écrit : > >> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:47:21 -0400, Ron wrote: >> >> You sent your messages with binary attachments to the whole mailing list! >> >> -Mikkel -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jun 3 22:03:37 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:03:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060416161149.0081d510@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060416161149.0081d510@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4481EB19.3020200@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Have to tell you I've enjoyed -- and learned from -- your messages on testing and alignment procedures. I have some questions for you, basically in the vein of "picking your brain." Now that I'm nearing the completion of my new cassette deck project, I'm working on the all-important calibration, testing and quality control protocols. My test bench doesn't include the wonderful Nak T-100, so I'm making final decisions on establishing azimuth, EQ, and alignment procedures without using a T-100. I envision two procedures: the "factory" procedure and a simpler procedure that doesn't require the owner to own extensive and expensive test equipment. Failing that, I may have to build test equipment into the deck. It's important to me that the owner can calibrate the recorder properly without the need to be an experienced service technician. (To save bandwidth, I won't take up time with describing the procedures I've been using so far.) My thinking is that almost none of the deck's future owners will have a Nakamichi T-100 test set, but many will have a voltmeter, a few will have an oscilloscope, and a very few will have other test equipment. For your reference, my test bench includes: alignment tapes in various formats (none Nakamichi, alas), mirror cassette, cassette torque guage, Shure test LP, several KVG Labs test LPs, dual trace 20 Mc oscilloscope, Hewlett-Packard 200C oscillator, Hewlett-Packard 400 AC millivoltmeter, 2-channel AC millivoltmeter, Heathkit THD meter, Heathkit IMD meter, Leader flutter-and-wow meter, Goldline TS-1 Audio Test set (combo oscillator, dB meter & impedance meter), sine/square/triangle oscillator, capacitor tester, LCR meter, two different signal tracers, two tube testers, digital multitesters, Shure cartridge analyzer, VTVM/ohmmeter, MIL-spec megger, variac, pink noise generator, RF noise generator, various weighting filters, audio RTA spectrum analyzer. power tube bias jig, alignment laser/optical bench, contact mics (vibration sensors) with ultrasound translator, and non-contact tachometer. I think I forgot one or two items but that's the important bits. Any suggestions, based on your experience, for both the "factory" and "end user" azimuth, EQ, and alignment procedures? Hi Tech wrote: > Luis, > > > Nakamichi taught me that you cannot use a scope to align play azimuth > (or record, for that matter) . > Load up your tape and watch the phase response for 5 minutes and tell me > how often it is in-phase, and how often it is skewed. The 'scope works for > reel to reel, but not cassette. > You must align it dynamically! The best method employs a Nak T100 analyzer > with 2 channel plasma meters and adjust for peak level AND close balance > (you must have proper mechanical head alignment, first) at 12,15, 18 , and > 20kHz. > The cheap and dirty way is to play back your test tape and listen in mono. > You will find the optimum easily. Nak made their own azimuth tape for 2 > reasons. They recorded it full track, so side A and B match (another > seceret alignment trick) at 15kHz, not 12kHz like everyone else, and they > put is on type 2 tape at -10 below Dolby level. And they recorded the > whole tape, not just 30 seconds. At 12:25 PM 4/16/06 +0200, you wrote: > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Jun 3 23:29:31 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:29:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly faulty Dragon Message-ID: <518b7b10606031429i6a601659sc54ba9e57620d8ea@mail.gmail.com> OK, so I'll try again for this one on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9733404979&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Is it a belt or something more serious ? Do I go all out for this one ? Thanks, George From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 4 00:44:39 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:44:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Switch on RX-505--Any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <44819B16.5020400@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kenneth Kirkpatrick Sent: 03 June 2006 15:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Switch on RX-505--Any suggestions? Ken says: These are always the problems that cause the greif. You don't want to spend the money to tear into the deck to just fix a switch, but you need the switch. If you think it would benefit from lubrication, belt changes, and alignment, then I would send it in for service and get the switch fixed. But if you want to wait until it has other problems, then I would make a little black rubber wedge to push next to the switch to hold it on Dolby C. Leave it long enough so you can pull it out for Dolby B. Here in the South, we are king of this type of engineering! :-) Gra' says: LOL! You're my kind of man! I'm doing exactly the same thing with a dodgy switch I have on my Leak Troughline III tuner. Why, in the past I've even used BluTak to hold a busted speaker cone together and clear plastic tape to hold in place a button top for a switch on a CD player ... Gra' From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Sun Jun 4 00:59:03 2006 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:59:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00da01c68761$52c2e680$a27ba8c0@dellmaster> Diane, I cannot see any problems with getting a well cared for and serviced CR-7A for around $625, in the past I have seen nice CR-7A decks go for $2000 plus on eBay so I feel that it is odd for a dealer to tell you that $500 is too much to pay for one. I would see if the idler tire and equalization upgrades have been done on this machine or if the serial number is higher than 9000 than it already had the upgrades from the factory. If the upgrades haven't been done I would have the dealer add that into the work they will be doing already. I have a CR-7A with all the modifications and upgrades done, it's been completely serviced with all the orange caps replaced and I couldn't recommend this deck more. It just sounds awesome!!! Best of luck to you! Andrew -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Diane Meuser Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. Hi, I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently own 3 Nak BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) that sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on consignment from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will completely go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" to it, which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and I'm not sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their consignment fee is 25% of selling price). I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from repair, so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for a CR-7A and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay for a Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak decks and told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more reasonable price. I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market for a "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have BX-100's) I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with buying machines on EBay. So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: 1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality Nak deck and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? 2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found that are worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the best that was currently around, but are there other available models that lie in between the CR-7A and the Dragon? 3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as opposed to someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. 4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices on Naks are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a reliable one become available. I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher quality Nak owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer vs. another and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from more experience Nak owners would be appreciated. Thanks, Diane ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 01:24:09 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Slightly faulty Dragon In-Reply-To: <518b7b10606031429i6a601659sc54ba9e57620d8ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060603232409.40024.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The DD motor IC's need replacing and it is a very simple repair - if you can do it go for it Kannan george valkov wrote: OK, so I'll try again for this one on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9733404979&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Is it a belt or something more serious ? Do I go all out for this one ? Thanks, George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 3 21:20:04 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:20:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Securing the azimuth adjusting screw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060603142004.00b3e2f8@pop.earthlink.net> I don't recall this receiving an answer. I buy hideous colors of nail polish for 50 cents, and dab the screw. In my Nakamichi training, the engineer referred to the green stuff as "rock paint" . I had to chuckle. tom brucker At 04:31 PM 5/12/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Greetings to All from a first-time poster... Nice forum going here with >friendly, knowledgeable folks. > >I bought a new CR-4A in 1989 and it has performed commendably ever since - a >really nice deck for recording, IMHO. A couple of weeks ago, I convinced >myself that I needed another Nak deck, a playback-only unit for listening >while I'm working in the garage or the backyard. What a great >rationalization, yes? > >Since this new Nak would be subjected to the hostile garage environment >(dust, heat, insects, etc.), I picked-up a cheapo CR-1A on ebay. After a >cleaning/demag the unit was working well mechanically and electrically, but >not sonically. Onward to the azimuth! This is the first time I've been so >bold, but the bravery comes more easily when the subject is a $20 deck. > >Using tapes from the CR-4A as a reference, I adjusted the azimuth by ear >until it was really good for both playback AND recording. Voila! Success! >The CR-1A was fully functional and sonically pleasing! > >Uh-oh...After two days of playing tapes, the azimuth needed major correction >again. Here's my BIG QUESTION: how do I secure the azimuth adjusting screw >once it is properly adjusted? My immediate thought was to use Loctite, but >why guess about it when I can seek advice/suggestions from this forum? > >Thanks in advance, >eb1 > > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\winmail1.dat" >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 4 01:34:21 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:34:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Switch on RX-505--Any suggestions? Message-ID: <44821C7D.8070605@sbcglobal.net> Gra' says: LOL! You're my kind of man! I'm doing exactly the same thing with a dodgy switch I have on my Leak Troughline III tuner. Why, in the past I've even used BluTak to hold a busted speaker cone together and clear plastic tape to hold in place a button top for a switch on a CD player ... Ken says: Why Gra', you seem very experienced with this here sort of engineering! You must be from the South? If not, come visit and bring some duct tape and epoxy ( fancy kind) incase you have truck trouble. If you want a more uptown repar of that there cd player, use black electrical tape. It'll make her look like it come that way.... From sendigitall at yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 07:46:59 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 service manual pages missing In-Reply-To: <200606032316.k53NEHrB015293@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060604054700.27879.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> hi the BX300 service manual downloaded from http://www.naks.mine.nu has the following important chapters missing .... 1. CHAPTER 6 MECHANISM ASS'Y AND PARTS LIST --PAGE 10-15 2. CHAPTER 7 MOUNTING DIGRAMS AND PARTS LIST --PAGE 15-19 so any one with the complete .pdf service manual ...kindly upload it to tom's site. regards senthil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 4 12:26:22 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:26:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Switch on RX-505--Any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <44821C7D.8070605@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Originally the South of England! Must be something about living in the South ... Love the idea about black tape!! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kenneth Kirkpatrick Sent: 04 June 2006 00:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Switch on RX-505--Any suggestions? Gra' says: LOL! You're my kind of man! I'm doing exactly the same thing with a dodgy switch I have on my Leak Troughline III tuner. Why, in the past I've even used BluTak to hold a busted speaker cone together and clear plastic tape to hold in place a button top for a switch on a CD player ... Ken says: Why Gra', you seem very experienced with this here sort of engineering! You must be from the South? If not, come visit and bring some duct tape and epoxy ( fancy kind) incase you have truck trouble. If you want a more uptown repar of that there cd player, use black electrical tape. It'll make her look like it come that way.... From bjhansen at stofanet.dk Sun Jun 4 13:00:38 2006 From: bjhansen at stofanet.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Hansen?=) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:00:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E Not Playing! Message-ID: <004201c687c6$1cd91160$bb4f6b3e@bj6nc2ywudoche> Hi all helpers! To Dean! Thank you! i'll probably be in touch. I will replace the idler tyre under all circumstances, as i do not know its age. I also have a BX-125, that "really" needs a new one. I had already tried to clean the idler tyre in some aggressive solvent - to make the hardened rubber a little softer. With absolutely no result. I have now found out, that i CAN wind and rewind. I just have to time it right. When i put in a tape, the play LED lights up shortly. And while it is lit, i can press "FF" or "Rew". And it will then wind or rewind correspondingly. I think this i an a little more serious fault. I suspect the motor that runs the cams. I base this on, that it does absolutely nothing, whatever i do. It should at least try to make an attempt, to engage the heads. but it does not. There is another oddity. The tape counter. It only counts forward. It is totally indifferent to whether i wind forwards or backwards. It only counts forwards. Except for every once in a while, when i put in a tape, and it winds it a few revs. There i have noticed - on a very few occasions - it has counted backwards. Bjørn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Sun Jun 4 13:18:45 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:18:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu Message-ID: Next week, (14'th of June I hope), I'm changing dsl-supplier. Due to this change, it is very possible that my connection will be closed down this coming week (help, I cant survive). If everything goes well, it should be up and running the 14'th or the 15'th of June. Wish me luck, DSL-operators are known to cause problems for the customers and each other here in Sweden. Currently I have a so-called 8/1 mbit connection, more likely a 2-4/1 mbit, getting a 24/1 mbit connection Which in reality probably (hopefully) will be a 18/1 mbit connection. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 4 14:06:14 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:06:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Best of luck, Tomas! Gra' From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sun Jun 4 14:18:10 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:18:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060604121810.17368.qmail@web86506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Good luck Tomass "you may be gone for some time"! Incidently the sites looking good but, I find I can't read the headings (links)) on the left of the page due to them being nearly the same colour(!) as your black background. Or is it just meis it just me? Regards Terry Tomas Larsson wrote: Next week, (14'th of June I hope), I'm changing dsl-supplier. Due to this change, it is very possible that my connection will be closed down this coming week (help, I cant survive). If everything goes well, it should be up and running the 14'th or the 15'th of June. Wish me luck, DSL-operators are known to cause problems for the customers and each other here in Sweden. Currently I have a so-called 8/1 mbit connection, more likely a 2-4/1 mbit, getting a 24/1 mbit connection Which in reality probably (hopefully) will be a 18/1 mbit connection. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of TERRY FINN > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:18 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu > > Good luck Tomass "you may be gone for some time" > ! > > Incidently the sites looking good but, I find I can't read > the headings (links)) on the left of the page due to them > being nearly the same colour(!) as your black background. > Or is it just meis it just me? > > Regards > > Terry > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Next week, (14'th of June I hope), I'm changing dsl-supplier. > Due to this change, it is very possible that my > connection will be closed > down this coming week (help, I cant survive). > > If everything goes well, it should be up and running > the 14'th or the 15'th > of June. > > Wish me luck, DSL-operators are known to cause problems > for the customers > and each other here in Sweden. > Currently I have a so-called 8/1 mbit connection, more > likely a 2-4/1 mbit, > getting a 24/1 mbit connection > Which in reality probably (hopefully) will be a 18/1 > mbit connection. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free > www.yousendit.com service. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 15:53:36 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 06:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E Not Playing! In-Reply-To: <004201c687c6$1cd91160$bb4f6b3e@bj6nc2ywudoche> Message-ID: <20060604135336.56939.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi you may have more than one problem from the symptoms. But it is worthwhile trying this. If you remove the cassette back black cover you can see the take up reel and small dark dot behind the right reel hub. It is a photo sensor and it senses the movement of the reel hub. The rightside reel hub has shiny white strips for reflecting the inferared light. You can clean this white/ black strips using alcohol tipped cotton cloth. Use gentle handling as the whole stuff is bit fragile. Infact if you know how to remove the very tny plastic washer holding this hub - you can even remove it from the shaft and clean it nicely and put it back and fix the circular holding tiny washer! remember it is so tiny - you need a white large cloth covering the whole unit and you so that it does not fly away in to oblivion! also clean the face of this inferarred sensor. This had solved some of my BX 300 issues with such sysmptoms try your luck. kannan Bjørn Hansen wrote: Hi all helpers! To Dean! Thank you! i'll probably be in touch. I will replace the idler tyre under all circumstances, as i do not know its age. I also have a BX-125, that "really" needs a new one. I had already tried to clean the idler tyre in some aggressive solvent - to make the hardened rubber a little softer. With absolutely no result. I have now found out, that i CAN wind and rewind. I just have to time it right. When i put in a tape, the play LED lights up shortly. And while it is lit, i can press "FF" or "Rew". And it will then wind or rewind correspondingly. I think this i an a little more serious fault. I suspect the motor that runs the cams. I base this on, that it does absolutely nothing, whatever i do. It should at least try to make an attempt, to engage the heads. but it does not. There is another oddity. The tape counter. It only counts forward. It is totally indifferent to whether i wind forwards or backwards. It only counts forwards. Except for every once in a while, when i put in a tape, and it winds it a few revs. There i have noticed - on a very few occasions - it has counted backwards. Bjørn ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tomas Larsson a écrit : > Think it is a browser-issue, what are you running? > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of TERRY FINN >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:18 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu >> >> Good luck Tomass "you may be gone for some time" >> ! >> >> Incidently the sites looking good but, I find I can't read >> the headings (links)) on the left of the page due to them >> being nearly the same colour(!) as your black background. >> Or is it just meis it just me? >> >> Regards >> >> Terry >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >> Next week, (14'th of June I hope), I'm changing dsl-supplier. >> Due to this change, it is very possible that my >> connection will be closed >> down this coming week (help, I cant survive). >> >> If everything goes well, it should be up and running >> the 14'th or the 15'th >> of June. >> >> Wish me luck, DSL-operators are known to cause problems >> for the customers >> and each other here in Sweden. >> Currently I have a so-called 8/1 mbit connection, more >> likely a 2-4/1 mbit, >> getting a 24/1 mbit connection >> Which in reality probably (hopefully) will be a 18/1 >> mbit connection. >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free >> www.yousendit.com service. >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 4 16:38:59 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:38:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu In-Reply-To: <20060604121810.17368.qmail@web86506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of TERRY FINN Sent: 04 June 2006 13:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu "you may be gone for some time"! Let's hope he has more luck than Capt Scott !! Grinham PS To keep on track, Capt Scott would have carried a Nak 550 to the Pole if they'd been invented by then ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pburnhill at hotmail.com Sun Jun 4 19:13:12 2006 From: pburnhill at hotmail.com (Peter Burnhill) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:13:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Switch on RX-505--Any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <44819B16.5020400@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: as much as I admire the Nak, pl send no more unwanted email to this addy. ta. Peter >From: Kenneth Kirkpatrick >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Switch on RX-505--Any suggestions? >Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:22:14 -0500 > >Boogie Man asks: > >" > >I have a 505 which has developed a problem. While it plays and records >fine, when you engage the dolby c switch it just wont stay in when pushed >in. This means you either live with dolby b or use the deck withot dolby. >Any suggestions on how to remedy this dilemma. I am not a hands on tech so >fixing it myself is not a possibility. Thanks for all your inputs in >responding." > >Ken says: > >These are always the problems that cause the greif. You don't want to spend >the money to tear into the deck to just fix a switch, but you need the >switch. If you think it would benefit from lubrication, belt changes, and >alignment, then I would send it in for service and get the switch fixed. >But if you want to wait until it has other problems, then I would make a >little black rubber wedge to push next to the switch to hold it on Dolby C. >Leave it long enough so you can pull it out for Dolby B. Here in the South, >we are king of this type of engineering! :-) > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sun Jun 4 19:14:30 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:14:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <448314F6.7080404@caribsurf.com> You could ask Ron for a copy of his PDF 2 service manual which has pages 10-16. When you get that, you should be missing 17/19 & 26 only Regards Paul From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jun 4 19:41:24 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 17:41:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu Message-ID: Hi Tomas! My first Son is an computer expert programmer, so this weekend change from Windows XP-Pro to Linox "Unbuto" version 6.06...& the browser is Mozilla-Firefox also we use the same with the XP-Pro...extremely reliable & fast with Anti-virus & Anti-Span protection, from them with the Linox goes directly to Goggle! Please Tomas...don't ask me any technical issue...as I'm 100% idiot in this matter! My heart fully best wishes, ALEX! >From: "Tomas Larsson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu >Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:53:25 +0200 > >Think it is a browser-issue, what are you running? > >With best regards > >Tomas Larsson >Sweden > >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of TERRY FINN > > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:18 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu > > > > Good luck Tomass "you may be gone for some time" > > ! > > > > Incidently the sites looking good but, I find I can't read > > the headings (links)) on the left of the page due to them > > being nearly the same colour(!) as your black background. > > Or is it just meis it just me? > > > > Regards > > > > Terry > > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > > Next week, (14'th of June I hope), I'm changing dsl-supplier. > > Due to this change, it is very possible that my > > connection will be closed > > down this coming week (help, I cant survive). > > > > If everything goes well, it should be up and running > > the 14'th or the 15'th > > of June. > > > > Wish me luck, DSL-operators are known to cause problems > > for the customers > > and each other here in Sweden. > > Currently I have a so-called 8/1 mbit connection, more > > likely a 2-4/1 mbit, > > getting a 24/1 mbit connection > > Which in reality probably (hopefully) will be a 18/1 > > mbit connection. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free > > www.yousendit.com service. > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From thecannonman at hot-shot.com Sun Jun 4 21:36:13 2006 From: thecannonman at hot-shot.com (Joseph Banks) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:36:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape Message-ID: <20060604193613.B6EE81CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> wow its a small world I just joined this group looking for info about old namakichi cassete decks and here you are! I been looking for you for along time. You need a website, man, your hard to find! Havent seen you at the rotary forge in a long time, are you still making the 105/20 I havent seen it on the market for awhile. I still got my Namakichi System 1 that i bought from you. it still sounds great but last week it started some problems. The 600 cassete sqweeks and music sounds all like its underwater if that makes any sense and the left channel goes dead and is scratchy on my 630 tunner, and I cant find a needle for the Nakatron (sp?) cartridje on the Dennon record player. Do you still fix stereos and stuff or do you know a place I can get it fixed? I bought a namakichi CD player and it sounds ok but I still like the tapes and the record player better so I wanna get the stereo fixed. I have a Bose stereo in my office but it sounds like crap and the store I bought it from doesn't know crap about fixing old stereos :-) I looked at the new namakichi stereos instead of the Bose but they sound just as crappy so I bought the Bose it was cheaper and why pay alot for crappy stereo anyway. What happended to namakichi did they get bought out by the Chinese? They used to make great stereos like my System 1. Oh yeah you dont know who this is! Hey boss, it's Jack Macklin from Westport! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape > Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:03:37 -0500 > > > Hi Tom, > > Have to tell you I've enjoyed -- and learned from -- your messages > on testing and alignment procedures. I have some questions for you, > basically in the vein of "picking your brain." Now that I'm nearing > the completion of my new cassette deck project, I'm working on the > all-important calibration, testing and quality control protocols. > My test bench doesn't include the wonderful Nak T-100, so I'm > making final decisions on establishing azimuth, EQ, and alignment > procedures without using a T-100. I envision two procedures: the > "factory" procedure and a simpler procedure that doesn't require > the owner to own extensive and expensive test equipment. Failing > that, I may have to build test equipment into the deck. It's > important to me that the owner can calibrate the recorder properly > without the need to be an experienced service technician. (To save > bandwidth, I won't take up time with describing the procedures I've > been using so far.) > > My thinking is that almost none of the deck's future owners will > have a Nakamichi T-100 test set, but many will have a voltmeter, a > few will have an oscilloscope, and a very few will have other test > equipment. > > For your reference, my test bench includes: alignment tapes in > various formats (none Nakamichi, alas), mirror cassette, cassette > torque guage, Shure test LP, several KVG Labs test LPs, dual trace > 20 Mc oscilloscope, Hewlett-Packard 200C oscillator, > Hewlett-Packard 400 AC millivoltmeter, 2-channel AC millivoltmeter, > Heathkit THD meter, Heathkit IMD meter, Leader flutter-and-wow > meter, Goldline TS-1 Audio Test set (combo oscillator, dB meter & > impedance meter), sine/square/triangle oscillator, capacitor > tester, LCR meter, two different signal tracers, two tube testers, > digital multitesters, Shure cartridge analyzer, VTVM/ohmmeter, > MIL-spec megger, variac, pink noise generator, RF noise generator, > various weighting filters, audio RTA spectrum analyzer. power tube > bias jig, alignment laser/optical bench, contact mics (vibration > sensors) with ultrasound translator, and non-contact tachometer. I > think I forgot one or two items but that's the important bits. > > Any suggestions, based on your experience, for both the "factory" > and "end user" azimuth, EQ, and alignment procedures? > > Hi Tech wrote: > > Luis, > > > > > > Nakamichi taught me that you cannot use a scope to align play azimuth > > (or record, for that matter) . > > Load up your tape and watch the phase response for 5 minutes and tell me > > how often it is in-phase, and how often it is skewed. The 'scope works for > > reel to reel, but not cassette. > > You must align it dynamically! The best method employs a Nak T100 analyzer > > with 2 channel plasma meters and adjust for peak level AND close balance > > (you must have proper mechanical head alignment, first) at 12,15, 18 , and > > 20kHz. The cheap and dirty way is to play back your test tape and > > listen in mono. > > You will find the optimum easily. Nak made their own azimuth tape for 2 > > reasons. They recorded it full track, so side A and B match (another > > seceret alignment trick) at 15kHz, not 12kHz like everyone else, and they > > put is on type 2 tape at -10 below Dolby level. And they recorded the > > whole tape, not just 30 seconds. At 12:25 PM 4/16/06 +0200, you wrote: > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for > recording and pro audio info! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Jun 4 21:42:37 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:42:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape In-Reply-To: <4481EB19.3020200@woods-and-waters.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060416161149.0081d510@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060416161149.0081d510@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060604144237.00830620@earthlink.net> Kermit, I have reserved a set of Nak alignment jigs and tapes for you for $650 if you are interested. The w/f tape may be missing, as I don't have the stuff in my hands yet. Describe your meter resolution. Are they analog or electronic. What are the display increments? Play azimuth and level are the adjustments you can't build in. I would suggest including a recorded metal tape with each new deck, as part of the final QC process, with 5 minutes each of 400Hz dolby level, 400hz at -20vu, 15khz at -20vu, 20khz at -20vu, 3khz at 0 vu. You will know your gap scatter tolerances, and can probably adjust play AZ. for peak output with confidence. If you want to nail it, put a mono/stereo button or !! a phase meter on the deck (remember those in broadcast radio?) If your deck is an archival mastering machine, play level calibrate control via the front panel will allow users to compensate for recorded historic dolby tapes with suspect level to be replayed. Is that something you want? Record level and azimuth are thusly enabled, if your metering includes a +20db calibrate boost. The bias is the tricky thing, because too often people manage to underbias badly, by not following the directions. The key is to have a 3 kHz oscillator built in, and adjust the bias for PEAK level, then go to 15 kHz and fine tune, typically +- 1dB from peak for flat response (same as 3k), and then set rec. level (I like to do this at -20vu also, since most cassettes compress a bit, and accurate -20 is a must for good dolby tracking )( a secret I'll entrust you with) and recheck 15k, tweeking only. The 3 kHz peaking step ensures correct biasing, and I believe is worth the extra expense. I don't think you need to build test equipment...I suppose if you have an FG coil on your capstan you could even have real time pitch adjust and calibrate! I'd be happy to read and comment on your owners manual. If you want a homemade flutter test tape, try listening to a triangle wave, say 700 hz. Make one on a funky deck and compare with a good deck. The ear can pick out the flutter instantly. We found Scully machines simply would not work in the Oberlin electronic music lab using this method. tom brucker At 03:03 PM 6/3/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tom, > >Have to tell you I've enjoyed -- and learned from -- your messages on >testing and alignment procedures. I have some questions for you, >basically in the vein of "picking your brain." Now that I'm nearing the >completion of my new cassette deck project, I'm working on the >all-important calibration, testing and quality control protocols. My >test bench doesn't include the wonderful Nak T-100, so I'm making final >decisions on establishing azimuth, EQ, and alignment procedures without >using a T-100. I envision two procedures: the "factory" procedure and a >simpler procedure that doesn't require the owner to own extensive and >expensive test equipment. Failing that, I may have to build test >equipment into the deck. It's important to me that the owner can >calibrate the recorder properly without the need to be an experienced >service technician. (To save bandwidth, I won't take up time with >describing the procedures I've been using so far.) > >My thinking is that almost none of the deck's future owners will have a >Nakamichi T-100 test set, but many will have a voltmeter, a few will >have an oscilloscope, and a very few will have other test equipment. > >For your reference, my test bench includes: alignment tapes in various >formats (none Nakamichi, alas), mirror cassette, cassette torque guage, >Shure test LP, several KVG Labs test LPs, dual trace 20 Mc oscilloscope, >Hewlett-Packard 200C oscillator, Hewlett-Packard 400 AC millivoltmeter, >2-channel AC millivoltmeter, Heathkit THD meter, Heathkit IMD meter, >Leader flutter-and-wow meter, Goldline TS-1 Audio Test set (combo >oscillator, dB meter & impedance meter), sine/square/triangle >oscillator, capacitor tester, LCR meter, two different signal tracers, >two tube testers, digital multitesters, Shure cartridge analyzer, >VTVM/ohmmeter, MIL-spec megger, variac, pink noise generator, RF noise >generator, various weighting filters, audio RTA spectrum analyzer. power >tube bias jig, alignment laser/optical bench, contact mics (vibration >sensors) with ultrasound translator, and non-contact tachometer. I think >I forgot one or two items but that's the important bits. > >Any suggestions, based on your experience, for both the "factory" and >"end user" azimuth, EQ, and alignment procedures? > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Luis, >> >> >> Nakamichi taught me that you cannot use a scope to align play azimuth >> (or record, for that matter) . >> Load up your tape and watch the phase response for 5 minutes and tell me >> how often it is in-phase, and how often it is skewed. The 'scope works for >> reel to reel, but not cassette. >> You must align it dynamically! The best method employs a Nak T100 analyzer >> with 2 channel plasma meters and adjust for peak level AND close balance >> (you must have proper mechanical head alignment, first) at 12,15, 18 , and >> 20kHz. >> The cheap and dirty way is to play back your test tape and listen in mono. >> You will find the optimum easily. Nak made their own azimuth tape for 2 >> reasons. They recorded it full track, so side A and B match (another >> seceret alignment trick) at 15kHz, not 12kHz like everyone else, and they >> put is on type 2 tape at -10 below Dolby level. And they recorded the >> whole tape, not just 30 seconds. At 12:25 PM 4/16/06 +0200, you wrote: >> > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Jun 4 22:22:17 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Rol) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 16:22:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Switch on RX-505--Any suggestions? Message-ID: <9254159.1149452537618.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml02.mgt.cox.net> Peter, You have to set your account preferences not to get any more emails. Go to the bottom of this message for the link. ---- Peter Burnhill wrote: > as much as I admire the Nak, pl send no more unwanted email to this addy. > ta. Peter > > >From: Kenneth Kirkpatrick > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Switch on RX-505--Any suggestions? > >Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:22:14 -0500 > > > >Boogie Man asks: > > > >" > > > >I have a 505 which has developed a problem. While it plays and records > >fine, when you engage the dolby c switch it just wont stay in when pushed > >in. This means you either live with dolby b or use the deck withot dolby. > >Any suggestions on how to remedy this dilemma. I am not a hands on tech so > >fixing it myself is not a possibility. Thanks for all your inputs in > >responding." > > > >Ken says: > > > >These are always the problems that cause the greif. You don't want to spend > >the money to tear into the deck to just fix a switch, but you need the > >switch. If you think it would benefit from lubrication, belt changes, and > >alignment, then I would send it in for service and get the switch fixed. > >But if you want to wait until it has other problems, then I would make a > >little black rubber wedge to push next to the switch to hold it on Dolby C. > >Leave it long enough so you can pull it out for Dolby B. Here in the South, > >we are king of this type of engineering! :-) > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sun Jun 4 22:36:06 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:36:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu In-Reply-To: <4482E721.1030308@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060604203606.3698.qmail@web86502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Everything is crystal clear except for the wording right of the folders and right of, Announcements! Whites, reds blues and all colours good except for these links! strange. No probs with anything else to date! But if everyone else can read it then I'll get back back in my box . T. Antoine Deschênes wrote: 24mbit! You're lucky to have this available. I run 3mbit. It could be a monitor issue too. I use an old gifted burnt CRT monitor, and the bright things are bright, but the dark things are black. Tomas Larsson a écrit : > Think it is a browser-issue, what are you running? > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of TERRY FINN >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:18 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu >> >> Good luck Tomass "you may be gone for some time" >> ! >> >> Incidently the sites looking good but, I find I can't read >> the headings (links)) on the left of the page due to them >> being nearly the same colour(!) as your black background. >> Or is it just meis it just me? >> >> Regards >> >> Terry >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >> Next week, (14'th of June I hope), I'm changing dsl-supplier. >> Due to this change, it is very possible that my >> connection will be closed >> down this coming week (help, I cant survive). >> >> If everything goes well, it should be up and running >> the 14'th or the 15'th >> of June. >> >> Wish me luck, DSL-operators are known to cause problems >> for the customers >> and each other here in Sweden. >> Currently I have a so-called 8/1 mbit connection, more >> likely a 2-4/1 mbit, >> getting a 24/1 mbit connection >> Which in reality probably (hopefully) will be a 18/1 >> mbit connection. >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free >> www.yousendit.com service. >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jun 4 22:39:31 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:39:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44834503.60407@rcn.com> Tomas, I doubt it's a browser issue. I get dark gray characters on a black background with both Firefox and Internet Explorer. However, when I set Firefox to my choice of colors (I deselect 'Allow pages to set their own color, instead of my choice') I get blue text on a white background and can read it fine. -- Ron Tomas Larsson wrote: > Think it is a browser-issue, what are you running? > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of TERRY FINN >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:18 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu >> >> Good luck Tomass "you may be gone for some time" >> ! >> >> Incidently the sites looking good but, I find I can't read >> the headings (links)) on the left of the page due to them >> being nearly the same colour(!) as your black background. >> Or is it just meis it just me? >> >> Regards >> >> Terry >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >> Next week, (14'th of June I hope), I'm changing dsl-supplier. >> Due to this change, it is very possible that my >> connection will be closed >> down this coming week (help, I cant survive). >> >> If everything goes well, it should be up and running >> the 14'th or the 15'th >> of June. >> >> Wish me luck, DSL-operators are known to cause problems >> for the customers >> and each other here in Sweden. >> Currently I have a so-called 8/1 mbit connection, more >> likely a 2-4/1 mbit, >> getting a 24/1 mbit connection >> Which in reality probably (hopefully) will be a 18/1 >> mbit connection. >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free >> www.yousendit.com service. >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 5 02:54:15 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Help needed: 680zx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060605005415.48006.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kimo, I went back to read your mail on the display. The problem is with one of the loic chips. Let me go back home and check the schematics. I had a similiar problem with a 1000ZXL and it was due to a bad counter chip that didn't allow the display to refresh. Bala 79Labs "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: *Sigh* No go on the brown stuff. Got it off pretty well, but didn't really change things at all (not even some change as if it was done poorly).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards, Per/ > // > > Per, > > > > It's a shame you paid that much for a mediocre BX-300 > > service manual. I have this manual (or, at least, most > > of it) as pdf files, that I put together from two > > different sources. > > > > I have the RX202 service manual and 682 owner manual. > > Not the best quality, either, but quite usable and > > will cost infinitely less :-). What is the largest > > file size you can accept as an attachment? > > > > -- Ron > Per wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Where can I download - or buy - user / service manuals for the RX-202E, > >> LX-3 and 682ZX? I paid 25 dollars in total for a paper manual for my > >> BX300E at www.servicemanuals.net > - but > >> the quality was not impressive. A couple of the fold out pages even had > >> cut out come text. > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> > >> Per ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Jun 5 11:25:35 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:25:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu References: Message-ID: <002101c68882$005a9420$66ca8656@compaq> Internet Explorer! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: ; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu > Think it is a browser-issue, what are you running? > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of TERRY FINN > > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:18 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Important message, www.naks.mine.nu > > > > Good luck Tomass "you may be gone for some time" > > ! > > > > Incidently the sites looking good but, I find I can't read > > the headings (links)) on the left of the page due to them > > being nearly the same colour(!) as your black background. > > Or is it just meis it just me? > > > > Regards > > > > Terry > > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > > Next week, (14'th of June I hope), I'm changing dsl-supplier. > > Due to this change, it is very possible that my > > connection will be closed > > down this coming week (help, I cant survive). > > > > If everything goes well, it should be up and running > > the 14'th or the 15'th > > of June. > > > > Wish me luck, DSL-operators are known to cause problems > > for the customers > > and each other here in Sweden. > > Currently I have a so-called 8/1 mbit connection, more > > likely a 2-4/1 mbit, > > getting a 24/1 mbit connection > > Which in reality probably (hopefully) will be a 18/1 > > mbit connection. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. 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I used one for years. The 600 squeek is a play idler problem. Early decks had a white nylon idler that wore out and wobbled. The metal replacement worked better, but you have to find one. I have a used metal idler. The under water problem is a broken head wire ground. You get only out of phase music, so it sounds echo-y. Your 630 needs a good control cleaning. If you do it yourself, be VERY careful of the dial string. Breaking that will condemn you to listening to the Bose for eternity! Never , never sell your 620 amp, but by all means mention me in your will. I offer nakamichi repairs. hitech77 at earthlink.net is my contact. tom brucker At 02:36 PM 6/4/06 -0500, you wrote: >wow its a small world I just joined this group looking for info about old namakichi cassete decks and here you are! I been looking for you for along time. You need a website, man, your hard to find! Havent seen you at the rotary forge in a long time, are you still making the 105/20 I havent seen it on the market for awhile. I still got my Namakichi System 1 that i bought from you. it still sounds great but last week it started some problems. The 600 cassete sqweeks and music sounds all like its underwater if that makes any sense and the left channel goes dead and is scratchy on my 630 tunner, and I cant find a needle for the Nakatron (sp?) cartridje on the Dennon record player. Do you still fix stereos and stuff or do you know a place I can get it fixed? I bought a namakichi CD player and it sounds ok but I still like the tapes and the record player better so I wanna get the stereo fixed. I have a Bose stereo in my office but it sounds like crap and the store I bought it fro! > m doesn't know crap about fixing old stereos :-) I looked at the new namakichi stereos instead of the Bose but they sound just as crappy so I bought the Bose it was cheaper and why pay alot for crappy stereo anyway. What happended to namakichi did they get bought out by the Chinese? They used to make great stereos like my System 1. Oh yeah you dont know who this is! Hey boss, it's Jack Macklin from Westport! > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kermit V. Gray" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape >> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:03:37 -0500 >> >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> Have to tell you I've enjoyed -- and learned from -- your messages >> on testing and alignment procedures. I have some questions for you, >> basically in the vein of "picking your brain." Now that I'm nearing >> the completion of my new cassette deck project, I'm working on the >> all-important calibration, testing and quality control protocols. >> My test bench doesn't include the wonderful Nak T-100, so I'm >> making final decisions on establishing azimuth, EQ, and alignment >> procedures without using a T-100. I envision two procedures: the >> "factory" procedure and a simpler procedure that doesn't require >> the owner to own extensive and expensive test equipment. Failing >> that, I may have to build test equipment into the deck. It's >> important to me that the owner can calibrate the recorder properly >> without the need to be an experienced service technician. (To save >> bandwidth, I won't take up time with describing the procedures I've >> been using so far.) >> >> My thinking is that almost none of the deck's future owners will >> have a Nakamichi T-100 test set, but many will have a voltmeter, a >> few will have an oscilloscope, and a very few will have other test >> equipment. >> >> For your reference, my test bench includes: alignment tapes in >> various formats (none Nakamichi, alas), mirror cassette, cassette >> torque guage, Shure test LP, several KVG Labs test LPs, dual trace >> 20 Mc oscilloscope, Hewlett-Packard 200C oscillator, >> Hewlett-Packard 400 AC millivoltmeter, 2-channel AC millivoltmeter, >> Heathkit THD meter, Heathkit IMD meter, Leader flutter-and-wow >> meter, Goldline TS-1 Audio Test set (combo oscillator, dB meter & >> impedance meter), sine/square/triangle oscillator, capacitor >> tester, LCR meter, two different signal tracers, two tube testers, >> digital multitesters, Shure cartridge analyzer, VTVM/ohmmeter, >> MIL-spec megger, variac, pink noise generator, RF noise generator, >> various weighting filters, audio RTA spectrum analyzer. power tube >> bias jig, alignment laser/optical bench, contact mics (vibration >> sensors) with ultrasound translator, and non-contact tachometer. I >> think I forgot one or two items but that's the important bits. >> >> Any suggestions, based on your experience, for both the "factory" >> and "end user" azimuth, EQ, and alignment procedures? >> >> Hi Tech wrote: >> > Luis, >> > >> > >> > Nakamichi taught me that you cannot use a scope to align play azimuth >> > (or record, for that matter) . >> > Load up your tape and watch the phase response for 5 minutes and tell me >> > how often it is in-phase, and how often it is skewed. The 'scope works for >> > reel to reel, but not cassette. >> > You must align it dynamically! The best method employs a Nak T100 analyzer >> > with 2 channel plasma meters and adjust for peak level AND close balance >> > (you must have proper mechanical head alignment, first) at 12,15, 18 , and >> > 20kHz. The cheap and dirty way is to play back your test tape and >> > listen in mono. >> > You will find the optimum easily. Nak made their own azimuth tape for 2 >> > reasons. They recorded it full track, so side A and B match (another >> > seceret alignment trick) at 15kHz, not 12kHz like everyone else, and they >> > put is on type 2 tape at -10 below Dolby level. And they recorded the >> > whole tape, not just 30 seconds. At 12:25 PM 4/16/06 +0200, you wrote: >> > >> >> >> -- Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for >> recording and pro audio info! >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >-- >___________________________________________________ >Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jun 6 06:00:08 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:00:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape In-Reply-To: <20060604193613.B6EE81CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060604193613.B6EE81CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4484FDC8.1010808@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Joe, what a nice surprise! That's why I like the Internet--it truly makes the world smaller! I've thought of you off and on over the years. Do you still have your jazz trio? I noticed you're still using the stage name Jack Macklin, so I'm guessing you do. Becky's vocals were such a delight to listen to because her voice reminded me of Nina Simone. Hey, I want a little sugar in my bowl.... Joseph Banks wrote: > wow its a small world I just joined this group looking for info about > old namakichi cassete decks and here you are! I been looking for you > for along time. You need a website, man, your hard to find! I have a website, see its URL below. Hmm, must not be showin gup in the search engines too well. What did you search for? > Havent > seen you at the rotary forge in a long time, are you still making the > 105/20 I havent seen it on the market for awhile. No, haven't made it in years. Technology made it obsolete, why bother with a 105/20 when you can buy an MPM, yes? Besides, it was too heavy to sling so you had to drive it in or use LAPES. So, nobody wanted it or the 105/54 conversion. > I still got my > Namakichi System 1 that i bought from you. it still sounds great but > last week it started some problems. The 600 cassete sqweeks and music > sounds all like its underwater if that makes any sense and the left > channel goes dead and is scratchy on my 630 tunner, and I cant find a Excellent! I still have my Nakamichi decks too, although I wish I'd have bought the entire System One when I had the chance to get it at wholesale. Young and stupid I was. My off-the-cuff guess is that the 600 cassette needs a good, thorough cleaning and lubrication of all the moving parts. Although, the pinch roller may be the culprit if it is the variant that had a white-colored hub (center). I'm guessing you've put thousands of hours on the deck, so I'd look to those as the first causes. By your comment that the music sounds underwater, do you mean that things like piano notes quaver? If so then you're describing excessive flutter-and-wow. Given the age of the deck I'd guess you need new belts too. The dead channel on the 630 is just a dirty selector switch. You're handy with a solder > needle for the Nakatron (sp?) cartridje on the Dennon record player. You can find aftermarket styli for Nagatronics (a.k.a. IMS) cartridges, but only the conical models. That's not worth buying. That Denon direct drive you have is an outstanding turntable and it deserves a better cartridge. Grado is a safe choice, but I'd rather see you give yourself a musical treat and hang a Goldring cartridge on it. If you're still in "the biz" then perhaps you could move up to a high-end moving coil cartridge? > Do you still fix stereos and stuff or do you know a place I can get it > fixed? No, I quit the service business a very long time ago. That wasn't my career choice but everyone was expected to "pay their dues" by doing MRO service work for a time. I made it to both mastering engineer and producer, after years of paying my dues doing load-in/load-out, then tape op, then fixing stereos, cue mix, monitor mix, tracking, the whole long, long trail a-winding. You know how it goes. Few places service older Nakamichi today but I'd recommend you contact fellow list member Tom Bruckner. If you want a full restoration, contact Electronic Service Labs, who do excellent work, but be prepared for a long wait and a large bill. You used to be pretty handy with a soldering iron and a screwdriver, so why don't you try to do the repairs yourself? All those Heathkits have to count for something! Don't be intimidated by the seeming complexity of Nakamichi stereos, because on this list quite a few persons can talk you through any problems you encounter. > I bought a namakichi CD player and it sounds ok but I still > like the tapes and the record player better so I wanna get the stereo > fixed. I have a Bose stereo in my office but it sounds like crap and > the store I bought it from doesn't know crap about fixing old stereos > :-) I looked at the new namakichi stereos instead of the Bose but they > sound just as crappy so I bought the Bose it was cheaper and why pay > alot for crappy stereo anyway. What happended to namakichi did they > get bought out by the Chinese? They used to make great stereos like my > System 1. Oh yeah you dont know who this is! Hey boss, it's Jack > Macklin from Westport! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jun 6 07:09:08 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:09:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed: 680zx Message-ID: Bala, Thanks...right now I managed to blow the 5v zener for the 5v supply in the meter. Or at least that's a problem. I'll see if that fixes it when I replace it. I thought I found a burned resistor, but that wasn't it. There's only 3 counter chips, so if they aren't too expensive and are in stock at the EE stockroom, I'll just pick them up when I go get the zener. Messing with the display is a pain in that if you're somewhat uncoordinated it seems easy to have the meter probes slip and destroy something in the process.-kby From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jun 6 07:27:06 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 00:27:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060604144237.00830620@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060416161149.0081d510@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060416161149.0081d510@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060604144237.00830620@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4485122A.2020909@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > I have reserved a set of Nak alignment jigs and tapes for you for $650 if > you are interested. The w/f tape may be missing, as I don't have the stuff > in my hands yet. I'll talk to you about this further off-list. Let me know when you have a finalized list of what's available. > Describe your meter resolution. Are they analog or electronic. What > are the display increments? As with anything I design, there is the base model and the "Alice's Restaurant" model, so to speak. (You can have anything you want at Alice's Restaurant.) The base model probably will have a standard VU meter, probably a Simpson #17473, 2-1/2 inch Designer Series, lighted "A" Scale VU Meter. I like them and have used them for the last thirty years. The option will be to add a Dorrough 40-C, my favorite outboard meter, so the deck will have a meter output jack. > Play azimuth and level are the adjustments you can't build in. I would > suggest including a recorded metal tape with each new deck, as part of the > final QC process, with 5 minutes each of 400Hz dolby level, 400hz at -20vu, > 15khz at -20vu, 20khz at -20vu, 3khz at 0 vu. You will know your gap > scatter tolerances, and can probably adjust play AZ. for peak output with > confidence. If you want to nail it, put a mono/stereo button or !! a phase > meter on the deck (remember those in broadcast radio?) Great ideas! I'll know the gap scatter specifications soon. I'm in a polite argument with the subcontractor over that very topic. He says my specifications are unattainable. Schmuck. I had planned to provide the owner with test tapes for the deck but hadn't thought of using metal oxide tapes. Ah yes, the phase meter! My old Tapecaster cart machines had a phase meter. I actually miss carts! Rebuilding the carts themselves was oh-so-much fun. Remember that awful Fidelipac cartridge? Blecch. > If your deck is an archival mastering machine, play level calibrate > control via the front panel will allow users to compensate for recorded > historic dolby tapes with suspect level to be replayed. Is that something > you want? A very good idea. Given the disparity amonng the characteristic equalization standards, I decided to build the deck with a selector switch for both the modern IEC2 standard, Teac version, as well as the IEC1, as best as I can determine it to be. To ensure all possible flavors of characteristic eq, though, the deck, will have a fine-adjust for the characteristic eq. okay, that a wussy way out of the problem, but with both basic characteristic eq curves AND a fine-tuning knob I doubt any tape will not be able to be reproduced properly. Oh, okay, cassettes made on Uher decks will still sound horrid, but what are you going to do.... > Record level and azimuth are thusly enabled, if your metering includes a > +20db calibrate boost. The bias is the tricky thing, because too often > people manage to underbias badly, by not following the directions. The key > is to have a 3 kHz oscillator built in, and adjust the bias for PEAK level, > then go to 15 kHz and fine tune, typically +- 1dB from peak for flat > response (same as 3k), and then set rec. level (I like to do this at -20vu > also, since most cassettes compress a bit, and accurate -20 is a must for > good dolby tracking )( a secret I'll entrust you with) and recheck 15k, > tweeking only. > The 3 kHz peaking step ensures correct biasing, and I believe is worth > the extra expense. I don't think you need to build test equipment...I > suppose if you have an FG coil on your capstan you could even have real > time pitch adjust and calibrate! Ah. Very good ideas! I'll cheat and steal them. Thanks! > If you want a homemade flutter test tape, try listening to a triangle > wave, say 700 hz. Make one on a funky deck and compare with a good deck. > The ear can pick out the flutter instantly. We found Scully machines simply > would not work in the Oberlin electronic music lab using this method. That suprises me. At one time I had several Scully SP-14, 275, 280, and 280B decks. All but one had the vari-speed conversion and two were the rare R. K. L. MacDonald modified machines. These decks had the lowest flutter-and-wow I'd ever heard or measured, far lower than anything Ampex, 3M, Studer, Sony or Telefunken ever made. That includes the ATR-100, by the way. Did the Oberlin Electronic Music Lab have the fixed speed Scullys? Admittedly, the AC synchronous motor in the standard model Scullys was no better than the Bodine motor Ampex put in the 350, but the varispeed Scully had a DC servomotor that was logic controlled through an optical stroboscope disc mounted just behind the 128-pole flat-ground contact commutator. This was why I chose the Scully -- lowest flutter-and-wow of any analog deck on the planet at that time. (No, I didn't sell Scully.) -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jun 6 12:42:10 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:42:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UDI hunt Message-ID: <20060606104210.36999.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Since I got my BX-300E I've been re-recording some old tapes and doing lots of listening. Yesterday I dug out a Maxell UDI CD90 from about 1997 (my only one I think). It's got a grey "anti-resonance" shell and a very small window and it's a Type I. This link shows a picture of this type of tape http://www.stereodisco.sk/kazety/maxell/maxell_udicd_o.jpg Leaving the bias at the centre mark, with tape type set at I and EQ set at 120ms, peaking around +5 I recorded Stevie Wonder's remastered "Original Musiquarium". For the first time, I found that I was truly unable to distinguish the source from the recording, monitoring through domestic speakers. A deck/tape combination that *really* make you want to dance. These must be impossible to buy new - but I want some! Does anyone know where I can get my hands on these, new or used? I'm in the north-west of the UK. I've put a "Want it Now" on eBay but I'm not hopeful. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jun 6 13:13:28 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:13:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UDI hunt Message-ID: Glad you enjoy the Maxell UDI. Your version is indeed from around that era. Shortly thereafter, in around '97 to '98 the livery of wap and shell design were changed but the tape was pretty much the same. In short it is an unexpectedly good type I. I say unexpectedly because it was very close to Maxell XLI and XLIS - almost the same as the former in fact for a much better price. The Maxell SX I, unique to UK and Europe from 1991-1996 was close to UDI but without the rising sensitivity. You can equate the performance of this tape with Sony HF-S but without the gritty leaness, and pricewise with a TDK AD but performance-wise, more in common with the erstwhile TDK AD-X. You might still be able to find it in the UK, in which case get what you can. The wrapper is blue and white with black writing - UDI written on it very boldly. Incidently, its type II stablemate, the Maxell UDII (gold, black and white) is not nearly as worthwhile a proposition and is easily eclipsed by the generally available XLII. Good luck in your search. Marc >>> cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk 6/6/2006 12:42:10 PM >>> Since I got my BX-300E I've been re-recording some old tapes and doing lots of listening. Yesterday I dug out a Maxell UDI CD90 from about 1997 (my only one I think). It's got a grey "anti-resonance" shell and a very small window and it's a Type I. This link shows a picture of this type of tape http://www.stereodisco.sk/kazety/maxell/maxell_udicd_o.jpg Leaving the bias at the centre mark, with tape type set at I and EQ set at 120ms, peaking around +5 I recorded Stevie Wonder's remastered "Original Musiquarium". For the first time, I found that I was truly unable to distinguish the source from the recording, monitoring through domestic speakers. A deck/tape combination that *really* make you want to dance. These must be impossible to buy new - but I want some! Does anyone know where I can get my hands on these, new or used? I'm in the north-west of the UK. I've put a "Want it Now" on eBay but I'm not hopeful. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Jun 6 15:20:27 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:20:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UDI hunt In-Reply-To: <20060606104210.36999.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201c6896b$faf36940$7300a8c0@Shaun> Chris, Have you tried the following web site? http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/ Type in Maxell UD1 in the search box and you will see that there are several length tapes of that type at a very reasonable cost. You have made me want to complete the installation of my BX-300 that I bought from the US (I use it with a mains step down transformer from Maplins). I had it serviced and gear upgraded but since then have been tardy at integrating it with my Hi-Fi set up. I have recently acquired a pair of Rogers LS6 speakers to replace my own built LS3/5a kit speakers. I have also bought a Nakamichi Receiver 1 and really was waiting until I found a replacement for my ageing Philips CD104 player before I installed it all (The trouble is it just won't break and give me the excuse! Also I love the metal body construction). Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Chris Mann Sent: 06 June 2006 11:42 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UDI hunt Since I got my BX-300E I've been re-recording some old tapes and doing lots of listening. Yesterday I dug out a Maxell UDI CD90 from about 1997 (my only one I think). It's got a grey "anti-resonance" shell and a very small window and it's a Type I. This link shows a picture of this type of tape http://www.stereodisco.sk/kazety/maxell/maxell_udicd_o.jpg Leaving the bias at the centre mark, with tape type set at I and EQ set at 120ms, peaking around +5 I recorded Stevie Wonder's remastered "Original Musiquarium". For the first time, I found that I was truly unable to distinguish the source from the recording, monitoring through domestic speakers. A deck/tape combination that *really* make you want to dance. These must be impossible to buy new - but I want some! Does anyone know where I can get my hands on these, new or used? I'm in the north-west of the UK. I've put a "Want it Now" on eBay but I'm not hopeful. From thecannonman at hot-shot.com Tue Jun 6 21:31:25 2006 From: thecannonman at hot-shot.com (Joseph Banks) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:31:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape Message-ID: <20060606193126.CB73D83C04@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Hi tom, thanx 4 the info Ill check the idler thing, although what is the idler where do I find it? Im gonna try to fix the stuff myself but if I f it up Ill call you to un-f-it up for me :-) LOL. No way Id ever sell my 620 amp or any of the other stuff it sounds too good and you cant buy sound that good & new stereos suck. Thanx again! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hi Tech" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape > Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:28:52 -0500 > > > I have never seen a source for Nagatron styli. I used one for years. The > 600 squeek is a play idler problem. Early decks had a white nylon idler > that wore out and wobbled. The metal replacement worked better, but you > have to find one. I have a used metal idler. The under water problem is a > broken head wire ground. You get only out of phase music, so it sounds > echo-y. > Your 630 needs a good control cleaning. If you do it yourself, be VERY > careful of the dial string. Breaking that will condemn you to listening to > the Bose for eternity! Never , never sell your 620 amp, but by all means > mention me in your will. > I offer nakamichi repairs. hitech77 at earthlink.net is my contact. > > tom brucker > > At 02:36 PM 6/4/06 -0500, you wrote: > > wow its a small world I just joined this group looking for info about old > namakichi cassete decks and here you are! I been looking for you for along > time. You need a website, man, your hard to find! Havent seen you at the > rotary forge in a long time, are you still making the 105/20 I havent seen > it on the market for awhile. I still got my Namakichi System 1 that i > bought from you. it still sounds great but last week it started some > problems. The 600 cassete sqweeks and music sounds all like its underwater > if that makes any sense and the left channel goes dead and is scratchy on > my 630 tunner, and I cant find a needle for the Nakatron (sp?) cartridje on > the Dennon record player. Do you still fix stereos and stuff or do you know > a place I can get it fixed? I bought a namakichi CD player and it sounds ok > but I still like the tapes and the record player better so I wanna get the > stereo fixed. I have a Bose stereo in my office but it sounds like crap and > the store I bought it fro! > > m doesn't know crap about fixing old stereos :-) I looked at the new > namakichi stereos instead of the Bose but they sound just as crappy so I > bought the Bose it was cheaper and why pay alot for crappy stereo anyway. > What happended to namakichi did they get bought out by the Chinese? They > used to make great stereos like my System 1. Oh yeah you dont know who this > is! Hey boss, it's Jack Macklin from Westport! -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ From thecannonman at hot-shot.com Tue Jun 6 21:50:49 2006 From: thecannonman at hot-shot.com (Joseph Banks) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:50:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape Message-ID: <20060606195050.12BE983C05@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Hey boss, thanx 4 writting back! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > To: "Joseph Banks" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape > Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:00:08 -0500 > > > Hey Joe, what a nice surprise! That's why I like the Internet--it > truly makes the world smaller! I've thought of you off and on over > the years. Do you still have your jazz trio? I noticed you're still > using the stage name Jack Macklin, so I'm guessing you do. Becky's > vocals were such a delight to listen to because her voice reminded > me of Nina Simone. Hey, I want a little sugar in my bowl.... no I dont have the band no more but guess what I married Becky. Yeah made an honest woman out of her LOL. But I do some gigs sometimes because you know how it is the music stays in ur blood. Hey that reminds me I have the tan amp you made and it worked like mad for a long time but now it has a bad hum and sounds really distorting. I googled websites that talked about fixing amps to try to do it myself but none of the schematix looked like yours and I cant figger it out. I think the hum is that big can cap some web sites say they dry out is that right? But whats the distorting from? > Joseph Banks wrote: > > wow its a small world I just joined this group looking for info > about > old namakichi cassete decks and here you are! I been > looking for you > > for along time. You need a website, man, your hard to find! > > I have a website, see its URL below. Hmm, must not be showin gup in > the search engines too well. What did you search for? wow I been reading all ur web stuff and the namakichi archieves on naks.com and there is to much to take in but its good to know where to go to find stuff out. i was googling for tan amps on yahoo and google but never found anything. > > > Havent > > seen you at the rotary forge in a long time, are you still making the > > 105/20 I havent seen it on the market for awhile. > > No, haven't made it in years. Technology made it obsolete, why > bother with a 105/20 when you can buy an MPM, yes? Besides, it was > too heavy to sling so you had to drive it in or use LAPES. So, > nobody wanted it or the 105/54 conversion. oh bad job man I told u it was gonna be to heavy but I think u r wrong they do 2 different jobs. > > I still got my > > Namakichi System 1 that i bought from you. it still sounds great but > > last week it started some problems. The 600 cassete sqweeks and music > > sounds all like its underwater if that makes any sense and the left > > channel goes dead and is scratchy on my 630 tunner, and I cant find a > > Excellent! I still have my Nakamichi decks too, although I wish I'd > have bought the entire System One when I had the chance to get it > at wholesale. Young and stupid I was. > > My off-the-cuff guess is that the 600 cassette needs a good, > thorough cleaning and lubrication of all the moving parts. > Although, the pinch roller may be the culprit if it is the variant > that had a white-colored hub (center). I'm guessing you've put > thousands of hours on the deck, so I'd look to those as the first > causes. By your comment that the music sounds underwater, do you > mean that things like piano notes quaver? If so then you're > describing excessive flutter-and-wow. Given the age of the deck I'd > guess you need new belts too. The dead channel on the 630 is just a > dirty selector switch. You're handy with a solder Ok, now thats techie overload, man. You always do that. Your the guy if I ask the time you tell how the clock works first then tell the time. No Im just jerkin ur chain, thats great info, thanx! Ill try some of that and what tom mentioned. > > needle for the Nakatron (sp?) cartridje on the Dennon record player. > > You can find aftermarket styli for Nagatronics (a.k.a. IMS) > cartridges, but only the conical models. That's not worth buying. > That Denon direct drive you have is an outstanding turntable and it > deserves a better cartridge. Grado is a safe choice, but I'd rather > see you give yourself a musical treat and hang a Goldring cartridge > on it. If you're still in "the biz" then perhaps you could move up > to a high-end moving coil cartridge? I think Ill do that and shop for a nice cartridje. Hey I moved to Memphis is there anyplace in Memphis that sells good cartridjes something other than Sure or Stanton or Ortophone? > > Do you still fix stereos and stuff or do you know a place I can get it > > fixed? > > No, I quit the service business a very long time ago. That wasn't > my career choice but everyone was expected to "pay their dues" by > doing MRO service work for a time. I made it to both mastering > engineer and producer, after years of paying my dues doing > load-in/load-out, then tape op, then fixing stereos, cue mix, > monitor mix, tracking, the whole long, long trail a-winding. You > know how it goes. > > Few places service older Nakamichi today but I'd recommend you > contact fellow list member Tom Bruckner. If you want a full > restoration, contact Electronic Service Labs, who do excellent > work, but be prepared for a long wait and a large bill. You used to > be pretty handy with a soldering iron and a screwdriver, so why > don't you try to do the repairs yourself? All those Heathkits have > to count for something! Don't be intimidated by the seeming > complexity of Nakamichi stereos, because on this list quite a few > persons can talk you through any problems you encounter. I was afraid of that but Im going to try it and fix the stereo myself so I just bought a namakichi 600 service book from ebay and spent hours reading the naktalk archieves all aobut other guys 600 ptoblems so I think I can do it but Ill let you know if I f it up. > > I bought a namakichi CD player and it sounds ok but I still > > like the tapes and the record player better so I wanna get the stereo > > fixed. I have a Bose stereo in my office but it sounds like crap and > > the store I bought it from doesn't know crap about fixing old stereos > > :-) I looked at the new namakichi stereos instead of the Bose but they > > sound just as crappy so I bought the Bose it was cheaper and why pay > > alot for crappy stereo anyway. What happended to namakichi did they > > get bought out by the Chinese? They used to make great stereos like my > > System 1. Oh yeah you dont know who this is! Hey boss, it's Jack > > Macklin from Westport! > > > > -- Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for > recording and pro audio info! > -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 7 04:00:54 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Help needed: 680zx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060607020054.52314.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, That's ok. It makes you get to know the machine better. Its man-machine bonding..he gives you mild shock, you burn a zener in him.. that sort of thing. The problem is the way those cards are connected. What I usually do is get some ribbon cable wire, and solder them to the solder side of those connectors. That allows me to open up the boards and probe. The meter display is some what sensitive as it isn't too tolerant with momentary shorts and things like that. Bala 79Labs "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Bala, Thanks...right now I managed to blow the 5v zener for the 5v supply in the meter. Or at least that's a problem. I'll see if that fixes it when I replace it. I thought I found a burned resistor, but that wasn't it. There's only 3 counter chips, so if they aren't too expensive and are in stock at the EE stockroom, I'll just pick them up when I go get the zener. Messing with the display is a pain in that if you're somewhat uncoordinated it seems easy to have the meter probes slip and destroy something in the process.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Jun 7 04:03:07 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:03:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape.com Product Details- SKC type IV's - 7.50@ Message-ID: -- "SKC" type IV's at 7.50 a pop. Can anyone tell me about these tapes?I might get a few, however in comparison to they TDK MA they are very pricey . Are the TDK MA's still being manufactured? I know about a year ago one Nak member reported that there was still stock available at Tower records. I havent checked.Thank You From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jun 7 04:58:46 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:58:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape In-Reply-To: <20060606193126.CB73D83C04@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060606193126.CB73D83C04@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <448640E6.3020607@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Joe, Joseph Banks wrote: > Hi tom, thanx 4 the info Ill check the idler thing, although what is the idler where do I find it? Im gonna try to fix the stuff myself but if I f it up Ill call you to un-f-it up for me :-) LOL. No way Id ever sell my 620 amp or any of the other stuff it sounds too good and you cant buy sound that good & new stereos suck. Thanx again! Tom is referring to the pinch roller, the one you have to clean (along with the heads) every so often. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jun 7 06:47:31 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:47:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape In-Reply-To: <20060606195050.12BE983C05@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060606195050.12BE983C05@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <44865A63.5000006@woods-and-waters.com> Hi(gh) Joe, Joseph Banks wrote: >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Kermit V. Gray" >> >>Hey Joe, what a nice surprise! That's why I like the Internet--it >>truly makes the world smaller! I've thought of you off and on over >>the years. Do you still have your jazz trio? I noticed you're still >>using the stage name Jack Macklin, so I'm guessing you do. Becky's >>vocals were such a delight to listen to because her voice reminded >>me of Nina Simone. Hey, I want a little sugar in my bowl.... > > > no I dont have the band no more but guess what I married Becky. Yeah > made an honest woman out of her LOL. But I do some gigs sometimes > because you know how it is the music stays in ur blood. Oh, belated weddied-bliss congratulations! How long has it been! > Hey that reminds > me I have the tan amp you made and it worked like mad for a long time > but now it has a bad hum and sounds really distorting. I googled > websites that talked about fixing amps to try to do it myself but none > of the schematix looked like yours and I cant figger it out. I think > the > hum is that big can cap some web sites say they dry out is that right? > But whats the distorting from? > I'm assuming you mean either the T.A.N. Models F56, F60 or F61 Feste. The hum is either C1 dried out (the big can-shaped multi-section 10-20-30-40 uF capacitor), C7 dried out (25uF screen bypass capacitor), hum balance potentiometer worn out (VR1, 100 ohm 5W wirewound) or hum balance out of tolerance - readjust for minumum hum. Distortion troubleshooting is more complex. Check screen voltages first (Test Point TP1 and TP2), readjust VR2 if they're off. Still distorted? Disconnect C7 (33uF cathode bypass capacitor) and listen for distortion. Replace with 100uF Sprague Atom if the distortion clears up. Still distorted? Check R7 (125 ohm cathode resistor) and replace if more than 15% off. See Service Bulletin SBF-3 regarding changes to the cathode resistors. Still distorted? Replace V4 and V5 with 6V6GT. Still distorted? The problem is with the phase invertor circuitry of V3 (12AU7A/ECC82), in which case either write me off-list and I will talk you through the adjustment or send me the amplifier and I will fix it for you. >> > Namakichi System 1 that i bought from you. it still sounds great but >> > last week it started some problems. The 600 cassete sqweeks and music >> > sounds all like its underwater if that makes any sense and the left >> > channel goes dead and is scratchy on my 630 tunner, and I cant find >> >> >>My off-the-cuff guess is that the 600 cassette needs a good, >>thorough cleaning and lubrication of all the moving parts. >>Although, the pinch roller may be the culprit if it is the variant >>that had a white-colored hub (center). I'm guessing you've put >>thousands of hours on the deck, so I'd look to those as the first >>causes. By your comment that the music sounds underwater, do you >>mean that things like piano notes quaver? If so then you're >>describing excessive flutter-and-wow. Given the age of the deck I'd >>guess you need new belts too. The dead channel on the 630 is just a >>dirty selector switch. > > Ok, now thats techie overload, man. You always do that. Your the guy if I ask the time you tell how the clock works first then tell the time. No Im just jerkin ur chain, thats great info, thanx! Ill try some of that and what tom mentioned. Let me know if you run into any problems! I really enjoy those 600 series decks. Is yours the 600 or the 600-II? (Read the front panel -- I'm joking!) >> > needle for the Nakatron (sp?) cartridje on the Dennon record player. >> >>You can find aftermarket styli for Nagatronics (a.k.a. IMS) >>cartridges, but only the conical models. That's not worth buying. >>That Denon direct drive you have is an outstanding turntable and it >>deserves a better cartridge. Grado is a safe choice, but I'd rather >>see you give yourself a musical treat and hang a Goldring cartridge >>on it. If you're still in "the biz" then perhaps you could move up >>to a high-end moving coil cartridge? > > I think Ill do that and shop for a nice cartridje. Hey I moved to > Memphis is there anyplace in Memphis that sells good cartridjes > something other than Sure or Stanton or Ortophone? I love Memphis! I've been contemplating moving to Memphis within the next few years. In the meantime, please send me some barbecue from Corky's! Don't forget to include the cole slaw! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! Joseph Banks wrote: > Hey boss, thanx 4 writting back! > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Kermit V. Gray" >>To: "Joseph Banks" >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape >>Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:00:08 -0500 >> >> >>Hey Joe, what a nice surprise! That's why I like the Internet--it >>truly makes the world smaller! I've thought of you off and on over >>the years. Do you still have your jazz trio? I noticed you're still >>using the stage name Jack Macklin, so I'm guessing you do. Becky's >>vocals were such a delight to listen to because her voice reminded >>me of Nina Simone. Hey, I want a little sugar in my bowl.... > > > no I dont have the band no more but guess what I married Becky. Yeah made an honest woman out of her LOL. But I do some gigs sometimes because you know how it is the music stays in ur blood. Hey that reminds me I have the tan amp you made and it worked like mad for a long time but now it has a bad hum and sounds really distorting. I googled websites that talked about fixing amps to try to do it myself but none of the schematix looked like yours and I cant figger it out. I think the hum is that big can cap some web sites say they dry out is that right? But whats the distorting from? > > >>Joseph Banks wrote: >> > wow its a small world I just joined this group looking for info >>about > old namakichi cassete decks and here you are! I been >>looking for you >> > for along time. You need a website, man, your hard to find! >> >>I have a website, see its URL below. Hmm, must not be showin gup in >>the search engines too well. What did you search for? > > > wow I been reading all ur web stuff and the namakichi archieves on naks.com and there is to much to take in but its good to know where to go to find stuff out. i was googling for tan amps on yahoo and google but never found anything. > > >> > Havent >> > seen you at the rotary forge in a long time, are you still making the >> > 105/20 I havent seen it on the market for awhile. >> >>No, haven't made it in years. Technology made it obsolete, why >>bother with a 105/20 when you can buy an MPM, yes? Besides, it was >>too heavy to sling so you had to drive it in or use LAPES. So, >>nobody wanted it or the 105/54 conversion. > > > oh bad job man I told u it was gonna be to heavy but I think u r wrong they do 2 different jobs. > > >> > I still got my >> > Namakichi System 1 that i bought from you. it still sounds great but >> > last week it started some problems. The 600 cassete sqweeks and music >> > sounds all like its underwater if that makes any sense and the left >> > channel goes dead and is scratchy on my 630 tunner, and I cant find a >> > > > > Ok, now thats techie overload, man. You always do that. Your the guy if I ask the time you tell how the clock works first then tell the time. No Im just jerkin ur chain, thats great info, thanx! Ill try some of that and what tom mentioned. > > >> > needle for the Nakatron (sp?) cartridje on the Dennon record player. >> >>You can find aftermarket styli for Nagatronics (a.k.a. IMS) >>cartridges, but only the conical models. That's not worth buying. >>That Denon direct drive you have is an outstanding turntable and it >>deserves a better cartridge. Grado is a safe choice, but I'd rather >>see you give yourself a musical treat and hang a Goldring cartridge >>on it. If you're still in "the biz" then perhaps you could move up >>to a high-end moving coil cartridge? > > > I think Ill do that and shop for a nice cartridje. Hey I moved to > Memphis is there anyplace in Memphis that sells good cartridjes > something other than Sure or Stanton or Ortophone? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jun 7 07:26:23 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:26:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed: 680zx Message-ID: <8C3167DE-1700-4980-B56F-BF7774D8A84B@alumni.caltech.edu> > That's ok. It makes you get to know the machine better. Its man- > machine bonding..he gives you mild shock, you burn a zener in him.. > that sort of thing. The problem is the way those cards are > connected. What I usually do is get some ribbon cable wire, and > solder them to the solder side of those connectors. That allows me > to open up the boards and probe. The meter display is some what > sensitive as it isn't too tolerant with momentary shorts and things > like that. > Yup; there's nothing like destructive testing...if it breaks, it needed replacing anyway :-). As long as it's not you-know-which machine, I don't mind as much. At any rate, another fallout of that turned out to be that one of the counter ICs (the 4040) also gave up the magic smoke, and it apparently drives the scale displays. Maybe it also does influences the bar graphs as well; maybe not. Seriously, I have learned from these experiences, and, as you say, bonded. At any rate, I replaced it and also the two 4022s, but the symptom hasn't changed significantly. OK, maybe things are a little brighter, but the readings are still bad. Seems independent of level-- as soon as the power mute is off (if in source--signal or no), the bars are flickering. Thanks for checking. I'll use the hints you've given to look at the manual again. Part of the difficulty I'm having with this machine is that unlike the others I only have a bad photocopy service manual with reduced pages and many parts of the schematic are quite difficult to read (at least at my age). I can usually figure out what I want to, but it takes a lot more flipping back and forth and tracing things on the boards themselves. It least that's an excuse that sounds good :-)-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wjw at warwick.net Wed Jun 7 18:48:52 2006 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:48:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1 service manual Message-ID: <44870374.60DAB417@warwick.net> Hello Everybody, Does anyone have a copy of, or a link to, or a web site that could furnish me with a good copy of the service manual for a Nak Cassette Deck 1? Important that the manual is complete and that the schematics are clear and readable. I'd be happy to cover the cost if someone has one and would be willing to make a copy for me. Thanks, Bill From tomas at tlec.se Wed Jun 7 20:28:39 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:28:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1 service manual In-Reply-To: <44870374.60DAB417@warwick.net> Message-ID: You'll find it on my homepage. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bill Wheatley > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:49 PM > To: Naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1 service manual > > Hello Everybody, > Does anyone have a copy of, or a link to, or a web site > that could furnish me with a good copy of the service manual > for a Nak Cassette Deck 1? > Important that the manual is complete and that the > schematics are clear and readable. > I'd be happy to cover the cost if someone has one and > would be willing to make a copy for me. > Thanks, > > Bill > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From bjhansen at stofanet.dk Wed Jun 7 20:36:51 2006 From: bjhansen at stofanet.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Hansen?=) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:36:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E Not Playing! Message-ID: <001601c68a61$58054900$a65f6b3e@bj6nc2ywudoche> Hello! Kannan - thank you. You got me started in the right direction. I disassembled most of the mechanics. And the optical receiver/transmitter was a little dirty, as you suspected. I cleaned it in alcohol. And while i had its guts spilled, i removed the cam motor. I hooked it up to a PSU, and supplied with 5-10 Volts. It ran very stutteringly ( maybe a deadspot ). So i left at 5-6 Volts for a couple of hours. When i came back it ran very smoothly, and the power consumption even had gone down about 5 mA. So i reassembled the whole thing. And now it runs. I haven't tested if it records yet though. Have ordered new idler wheel. So for now - thank you all. Bjørn Hansen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bill Wheatley > > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:49 PM > > To: Naktalk > > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1 service manual > > > > Hello Everybody, > > Does anyone have a copy of, or a link to, or a web site > > that could furnish me with a good copy of the service manual > > for a Nak Cassette Deck 1? > > Important that the manual is complete and that the > > schematics are clear and readable. > > I'd be happy to cover the cost if someone has one and > > would be willing to make a copy for me. > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > ---========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 8 04:08:32 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:08:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape In-Reply-To: <20060606193126.CB73D83C04@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060607210832.00b6b858@pop.earthlink.net> This idler is not a rubber tire type, but has two pulleys and is driven by the capstan belt. To find it, remove the rear case, and peer through the side of the mechanism with a good light. If you see a large shiny aluminum thing, you have the newer idler, and the squeek may be somewhere else. If it is white, then you likely need a new idler. I'll help in any way you need. tom brucker At 02:31 PM 6/6/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Hi tom, thanx 4 the info Ill check the idler thing, although what is the idler where do I find it? Im gonna try to fix the stuff myself but if I f it up Ill call you to un-f-it up for me :-) LOL. No way Id ever sell my 620 amp or any of the other stuff it sounds too good and you cant buy sound that good & new stereos suck. Thanx again! > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hi Tech" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth alignment tape >> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:28:52 -0500 >> >> >> I have never seen a source for Nagatron styli. I used one for years. The >> 600 squeek is a play idler problem. Early decks had a white nylon idler >> that wore out and wobbled. The metal replacement worked better, but you >> have to find one. I have a used metal idler. The under water problem is a >> broken head wire ground. You get only out of phase music, so it sounds >> echo-y. >> Your 630 needs a good control cleaning. If you do it yourself, be VERY >> careful of the dial string. Breaking that will condemn you to listening to >> the Bose for eternity! Never , never sell your 620 amp, but by all means >> mention me in your will. >> I offer nakamichi repairs. hitech77 at earthlink.net is my contact. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 02:36 PM 6/4/06 -0500, you wrote: >> > wow its a small world I just joined this group looking for info about old >> namakichi cassete decks and here you are! I been looking for you for along >> time. You need a website, man, your hard to find! Havent seen you at the >> rotary forge in a long time, are you still making the 105/20 I havent seen >> it on the market for awhile. I still got my Namakichi System 1 that i >> bought from you. it still sounds great but last week it started some >> problems. The 600 cassete sqweeks and music sounds all like its underwater >> if that makes any sense and the left channel goes dead and is scratchy on >> my 630 tunner, and I cant find a needle for the Nakatron (sp?) cartridje on >> the Dennon record player. Do you still fix stereos and stuff or do you know >> a place I can get it fixed? I bought a namakichi CD player and it sounds ok >> but I still like the tapes and the record player better so I wanna get the >> stereo fixed. I have a Bose stereo in my office but it sounds like crap and >> the store I bought it fro! >> > m doesn't know crap about fixing old stereos :-) I looked at the new >> namakichi stereos instead of the Bose but they sound just as crappy so I >> bought the Bose it was cheaper and why pay alot for crappy stereo anyway. >> What happended to namakichi did they get bought out by the Chinese? They >> used to make great stereos like my System 1. Oh yeah you dont know who this >> is! Hey boss, it's Jack Macklin from Westport! > > >-- >___________________________________________________ >Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From mcoates at comcast.net Thu Jun 8 00:54:11 2006 From: mcoates at comcast.net (Matt Coates) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 18:54:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 stops playing Message-ID: <002601c68a85$4b6806f0$6401a8c0@pigdogxp> I recently purchased a Cassette Deck 2 that seems to be in very good condition, except it will not play a tape all the way through. It stops playing about 5 to 15 minutes into the tape (TDK SA 90). When it stops, there is a small loop of tape out of the cassette just past the pinch roller. I have tried multiple tapes. Any idea what the problem might be? Thanks, Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jun 8 03:13:10 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:13:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060607210747.018546d0@pop.east.cox.net> Please feel free to seperate my spleen from my colon sans anesthesia if this is already available. Here I sit thinking, as I get misty eyed over my Dragon, what do I use to clean the metal parts, the rubber parts, the transport frame, what type of oil do I use to get rid of the 'Dragon stop squeak' as outlined in the service bulletin, etc,... Now, I know this has been discussed ad nauseum but with the precision of a Tomahawk missile guidance system a few weeks back. Would it be possible to have a section on the Naks.com homepage? There has been some products that were discussed for cleaning, rubber restoration and tips. Some products were a few dollars while others were $30 a spray can. Anyone else with me on this? From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jun 8 09:42:58 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 00:42:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stupid newbie 505 question Message-ID: <5BF28FEA-CB78-4A95-B20A-4DA33433352C@alumni.caltech.edu> OK, I give up. I don't have a user manual and there isn't one on Thomas' site. What's the reel hub switch for on the RX505? Are there 10.5" cassette reels :-)? -kby From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 8 10:23:49 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:23:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Stupid newbie 505 question In-Reply-To: <5BF28FEA-CB78-4A95-B20A-4DA33433352C@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <5BF28FEA-CB78-4A95-B20A-4DA33433352C@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <12447.212.78.164.66.1149755029.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> This may help then... http://www.naks.com/request/RX505dsajd2h83hsadha3/RX505_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/RX505dsajd2h83hsadha3/RX505_ServiceManual_1of4.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/RX505dsajd2h83hsadha3/RX505_ServiceManual_2of4.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/RX505dsajd2h83hsadha3/RX505_ServiceManual_3of4.pdf http://www.naks.com/request/RX505dsajd2h83hsadha3/RX505_ServiceManual_4of4.pdf Wouter > OK, I give up. I don't have a user manual and there isn't one on > Thomas' site. > > What's the reel hub switch for on the RX505? Are there 10.5" cassette > reels :-)? > -kby From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jun 8 10:54:27 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:54:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish Message-ID: Dear Roland! As I also own an a two years gifted Dragon, after each 10 both sides playing or recording & playing cassettes I degauss all the metal capstams/heads/rubber section, clean with the most "Purest' alcohol liquid the same degaussed parts. What worries me is that you ask for "Clean the Transport Frame"...what you really mean???, such part is ALWAYS cover by a door...so you opened ONLY...to load a cassette; for so I can't recall what you mean...my unit is ALWAYS clean there. The "CASE"...I clean with a brush, newer was needed to use any liquid solution. Also have now the same "Stop Squeak"..., when I will change the "Cam" belt ONE drop of any thin watch oil will cure such noise...as wrote on the service bulletin. So...my dear Roland all my best wishes for you...& be well! ALEX! >From: roland >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish >Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:13:10 -0400 > >Please feel free to seperate my spleen from my colon sans anesthesia if >this is already available. > >Here I sit thinking, as I get misty eyed over my Dragon, what do I use to >clean the metal parts, the rubber parts, the transport frame, what type of >oil do I use to get rid of the 'Dragon stop squeak' as outlined in the >service bulletin, etc,... > >Now, I know this has been discussed ad nauseum but with the precision of a >Tomahawk missile guidance system a few weeks back. > >Would it be possible to have a section on the Naks.com homepage? > >There has been some products that were discussed for cleaning, rubber >restoration and tips. Some products were a few dollars while others were >$30 a spray can. > >Anyone else with me on this? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jun 8 15:18:36 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 9:18:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish Message-ID: <5928315.1149772716841.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml07.mgt.cox.net> Thank you Alex! Perhaps I was carried away when mentioning the 'frame' as I was thinking the metal parts as you outlined. Take care! ---- Alex Cozac wrote: > Dear Roland! > > As I also own an a two years gifted Dragon, after each 10 both sides playing > or recording & playing cassettes I degauss all the metal > capstams/heads/rubber section, clean with the most "Purest' alcohol liquid > the same degaussed parts. What worries me is that you ask for "Clean the > Transport Frame"...what you really mean???, such part is ALWAYS cover by a > door...so you opened ONLY...to load a cassette; for so I can't recall what > you mean...my unit is ALWAYS clean there. The "CASE"...I clean with a brush, > newer was needed to use any liquid solution. Also have now the same "Stop > Squeak"..., when I will change the "Cam" belt ONE drop of any thin watch oil > will cure such noise...as wrote on the service bulletin. > > So...my dear Roland all my best wishes for you...& be well! > > ALEX! > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jun 8 16:44:46 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:44:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 stops playing In-Reply-To: <002601c68a85$4b6806f0$6401a8c0@pigdogxp> References: <002601c68a85$4b6806f0$6401a8c0@pigdogxp> Message-ID: <448837DE.6070705@rcn.com> Matt Coates wrote: > I recently purchased a Cassette Deck 2 that seems to be in very good > condition, except it will not play a tape all the way through. It stops > playing about 5 to 15 minutes into the tape (TDK SA 90). When it stops, > there is a small loop of tape out of the cassette just past the pinch > roller. I have tried multiple tapes. Any idea what the problem might be? > > Thanks, > Matt Sounds like you have a take up problem. Once tape take up fails, the auto shut off mechanism stops the transport to prevent a jam. -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 8 16:45:46 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:45:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060608094546.0082b870@earthlink.net> Degaussing or demagnetizing is rarely needed. Capstans are hardened steel, requiring a powerful woofer size magnet to magnetize. The field generated by a degausser is too weak to demagnetize the capstan, should it get magnetized. Heads are very easily magnetized, otherwise they would not work! They demagnetize themselves instantly, so heads are the last things that need demagnetization. Most parts near the tape, like guides and pad lifters are non magnetic stainless steel. More damage is done by improper demagnetization than is benefitted by regular use. There was a meter called a Han-D-Mag that we used to use to measure magnetization. I never found any fields. The only time I demag is before using my test tapes, and I use the TDK cassette exclusively. As long as magnetized screwdrivers and speakers are kept away from the cassette deck, you may park your demag in a drawer. tom brucker At 08:54 AM 6/8/06 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Roland! > >As I also own an a two years gifted Dragon, after each 10 both sides playing >or recording & playing cassettes I degauss all the metal >capstams/heads/rubber section, clean with the most "Purest' alcohol liquid >the same degaussed parts. What worries me is that you ask for "Clean the >Transport Frame"...what you really mean???, such part is ALWAYS cover by a >door...so you opened ONLY...to load a cassette; for so I can't recall what >you mean...my unit is ALWAYS clean there. The "CASE"...I clean with a brush, >newer was needed to use any liquid solution. Also have now the same "Stop >Squeak"..., when I will change the "Cam" belt ONE drop of any thin watch oil >will cure such noise...as wrote on the service bulletin. > >So...my dear Roland all my best wishes for you...& be well! > >ALEX! > > > > >>From: roland >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish >>Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:13:10 -0400 >> >>Please feel free to seperate my spleen from my colon sans anesthesia if >>this is already available. >> >>Here I sit thinking, as I get misty eyed over my Dragon, what do I use to >>clean the metal parts, the rubber parts, the transport frame, what type of >>oil do I use to get rid of the 'Dragon stop squeak' as outlined in the >>service bulletin, etc,... >> >>Now, I know this has been discussed ad nauseum but with the precision of a >>Tomahawk missile guidance system a few weeks back. >> >>Would it be possible to have a section on the Naks.com homepage? >> >>There has been some products that were discussed for cleaning, rubber >>restoration and tips. Some products were a few dollars while others were >>$30 a spray can. >> >>Anyone else with me on this? >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From johnroberts52 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 8 18:07:42 2006 From: johnroberts52 at hotmail.com (john roberts) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:07:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] best tape for BX300? Message-ID: Which tape is recommened for use with BX300 and where can I find it? From alan at lipenwald.com Thu Jun 8 21:19:28 2006 From: alan at lipenwald.com (Alan Lipset) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:19:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Stupid newbie 505 question References: <5BF28FEA-CB78-4A95-B20A-4DA33433352C@alumni.caltech.edu> <12447.212.78.164.66.1149755029.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <004d01c68b30$76685d40$7602a8c0@lipenwald.local> Hey Wouter- Do you have same for Dragon? Thanks, Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stupid newbie 505 question > This may help then... > > http://www.naks.com/request/RX505dsajd2h83hsadha3/RX505_OwnersManual-Dean.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/RX505dsajd2h83hsadha3/RX505_ServiceManual_1of4.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/RX505dsajd2h83hsadha3/RX505_ServiceManual_2of4.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/RX505dsajd2h83hsadha3/RX505_ServiceManual_3of4.pdf > http://www.naks.com/request/RX505dsajd2h83hsadha3/RX505_ServiceManual_4of4.pdf > > Wouter > >> OK, I give up. I don't have a user manual and there isn't one on >> Thomas' site. >> >> What's the reel hub switch for on the RX505? Are there 10.5" cassette >> reels :-)? >> -kby > > > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jun 8 21:15:02 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:15:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish Message-ID: My dear Tom! I have a few degausses, among the ONLY one that today I use Han-D-Mag + the same meter that you wrote...that since I acquired the "Kit"...this particularly meter I use to check a magnetizer screwdriver..., so...if it's magnetized it's treated with my powerful Han-D-Mag demagnetizer,before I attempt to use it on any deck. Really Tom I DO NOT agreed 100% with your statement...sorry ...but; if you do it right the "Degauss" procedure nothing wrong happens...only helps! My best wishes Buddy! ALEX! >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Here's what I wish >Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:45:46 -0500 > >Degaussing or demagnetizing is rarely needed. Capstans are hardened steel, >requiring a powerful woofer size magnet to magnetize. The field generated >by a degausser is too weak to demagnetize the capstan, should it get >magnetized. Heads are very easily magnetized, otherwise they would not >work! They demagnetize themselves instantly, so heads are the last things >that need demagnetization. Most parts near the tape, like guides and pad >lifters are non magnetic stainless steel. >More damage is done by improper demagnetization than is benefitted by >regular use. There was a meter called a Han-D-Mag that we used to use to >measure magnetization. I never found any fields. The only time I demag is >before using my test tapes, and I use the TDK cassette exclusively. As long >as magnetized screwdrivers and speakers are kept away from the cassette >deck, you may park your demag in a drawer. > >tom brucker > >At 08:54 AM 6/8/06 +0000, you wrote: > >Dear Roland! > > > >As I also own an a two years gifted Dragon, after each 10 both sides >playing > >or recording & playing cassettes I degauss all the metal > >capstams/heads/rubber section, clean with the most "Purest' alcohol >liquid > >the same degaussed parts. What worries me is that you ask for "Clean the > >Transport Frame"...what you really mean???, such part is ALWAYS cover by >a > >door...so you opened ONLY...to load a cassette; for so I can't recall >what > >you mean...my unit is ALWAYS clean there. The "CASE"...I clean with a >brush, > >newer was needed to use any liquid solution. Also have now the same "Stop > >Squeak"..., when I will change the "Cam" belt ONE drop of any thin watch >oil > >will cure such noise...as wrote on the service bulletin. > > > >So...my dear Roland all my best wishes for you...& be well! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > >>From: roland > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish > >>Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:13:10 -0400 > >> > >>Please feel free to seperate my spleen from my colon sans anesthesia if > >>this is already available. > >> > >>Here I sit thinking, as I get misty eyed over my Dragon, what do I use >to > >>clean the metal parts, the rubber parts, the transport frame, what type >of > >>oil do I use to get rid of the 'Dragon stop squeak' as outlined in the > >>service bulletin, etc,... > >> > >>Now, I know this has been discussed ad nauseum but with the precision of >a > >>Tomahawk missile guidance system a few weeks back. > >> > >>Would it be possible to have a section on the Naks.com homepage? > >> > >>There has been some products that were discussed for cleaning, rubber > >>restoration and tips. Some products were a few dollars while others >were > >>$30 a spray can. > >> > >>Anyone else with me on this? > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jun 8 22:52:58 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:52:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] best tape for BX300? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44888E2A.3010108@yahoo.ca> It's been factory adjusted for Nakamichi / TDK cassettes so that's what you should get. (TDK SA / SA-X used on the SX mode) There are better cassettes out there, but the player needs to be adjusted in a service center to be fully optimized for them. john roberts a écrit : > Which tape is recommened for use with BX300 and where can I find it? From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jun 8 23:04:20 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:04:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060608094546.0082b870@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060608094546.0082b870@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <448890D4.8060602@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, With all due and professional respect, I couldn't disagree more on your assertion that demagnetization isn't required. I won't dispute that you feel that your experience has indicated to you that it isn't necessary, but let me submit for the groups' consideration that your experience is quite atypical. My personal experience with all the various recorders great and small I've used over more than thirty years have confirmed to my sdatisfaction that the tape companies and tape recorder makers are correct when they instruct the user to periodic demagnetize the recorder. EVEN NAKAMICHI gives such advice and once made a demagnetizer. I've often verified (by the use of an R. B. Annis 5 gauss Pocket Magnetometer) that residual magnetism builds up on the face of the record and reproduce head as well as the capstan and metal tape guides. The same meter has been reassuring as it shows the residual magnetism has been eliminated by the R. B. Annis Han D Mag (their demagnetizer product -- mine if the medium-short nose version). Every manufacturer of tape recorder AND blank tape recommends periodic demagnetization. Ampex, the U.S. Library of Congress, The National Archives, as well as research organizations, arcihves, libraries and major broadcasting networks of most countries worldwide have conducted research that corroborates the need for periodic demagnetization. Studies of this go back to the 1930s. The scientific evidence as well as the general consensus of both the recording industry as well as the various tape recorder and tape stock manufacturing industries overwhelmingly agree that periodic demagnetization is necessary. The physical principles of the need for periodic demagnetization of tapes recorders are incredibly well documented despite over sixty years of research into the topic. The consensus for periodic demagnetization is a tidal wave against the few splashes of those persons who feel it is unneeded. Fortunately, the procedure is easily accomplished by anyone, even total neophytes devoid of any audio knowledge or experience, equipped even with all but the lowest quality demagnetizers. You may wish to refer to my white paper which brielfy summarizes some of the unlerying physics as well as describing the procedure. http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf . Hi Tech wrote: > Degaussing or demagnetizing is rarely needed. Capstans are hardened steel, > requiring a powerful woofer size magnet to magnetize. The field generated > by a degausser is too weak to demagnetize the capstan, should it get > magnetized. Heads are very easily magnetized, otherwise they would not > work! They demagnetize themselves instantly, so heads are the last things > that need demagnetization. Most parts near the tape, like guides and pad > lifters are non magnetic stainless steel. > More damage is done by improper demagnetization than is benefitted by > regular use. There was a meter called a Han-D-Mag that we used to use to > measure magnetization. I never found any fields. The only time I demag is > before using my test tapes, and I use the TDK cassette exclusively. As long > as magnetized screwdrivers and speakers are kept away from the cassette > deck, you may park your demag in a drawer. > > tom brucker > > At 08:54 AM 6/8/06 +0000, you wrote: > >>Dear Roland! >> >>As I also own an a two years gifted Dragon, after each 10 both sides playing >>or recording & playing cassettes I degauss all the metal >>capstams/heads/rubber section, clean with the most "Purest' alcohol liquid >>the same degaussed parts. What worries me is that you ask for "Clean the >>Transport Frame"...what you really mean???, such part is ALWAYS cover by a >>door...so you opened ONLY...to load a cassette; for so I can't recall what >>you mean...my unit is ALWAYS clean there. The "CASE"...I clean with a brush, >>newer was needed to use any liquid solution. Also have now the same "Stop >>Squeak"..., when I will change the "Cam" belt ONE drop of any thin watch oil >>will cure such noise...as wrote on the service bulletin. >> >>So...my dear Roland all my best wishes for you...& be well! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: roland >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish >>>Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:13:10 -0400 >>> >>>Please feel free to seperate my spleen from my colon sans anesthesia if >>>this is already available. >>> >>>Here I sit thinking, as I get misty eyed over my Dragon, what do I use to >>>clean the metal parts, the rubber parts, the transport frame, what type of >>>oil do I use to get rid of the 'Dragon stop squeak' as outlined in the >>>service bulletin, etc,... >>> >>>Now, I know this has been discussed ad nauseum but with the precision of a >>>Tomahawk missile guidance system a few weeks back. >>> >>>Would it be possible to have a section on the Naks.com homepage? >>> >>>There has been some products that were discussed for cleaning, rubber >>>restoration and tips. Some products were a few dollars while others were >>>$30 a spray can. >>> >>>Anyone else with me on this? >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From mcoates at comcast.net Fri Jun 9 05:58:20 2006 From: mcoates at comcast.net (Matt Coates) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:58:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 stops playing In-Reply-To: <448837DE.6070705@rcn.com> Message-ID: <005601c68b78$f2d43e10$6401a8c0@pigdogxp> Matt Coates wrote: > I recently purchased a Cassette Deck 2 that seems to be in very good > condition, except it will not play a tape all the way through. It > stops playing about 5 to 15 minutes into the tape (TDK SA 90). When > it stops, there is a small loop of tape out of the cassette just past > the pinch roller. I have tried multiple tapes. Any idea what the problem might be? > > Thanks, > Matt Sounds like you have a take up problem. Once tape take up fails, the auto shut off mechanism stops the transport to prevent a jam. -- Ron Okay. Would that most likely be a motor problem, since I believe it is gear driven? Or which part? -- Matt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jun 9 07:12:54 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 05:12:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish Message-ID: Dear Tom! 500% agree with Kermit!!! BTW...we two own the same "State of the Art" short probe demagnetizer, only that my meter is the metal one, a little bigger, with better resolution & more expensive that Kermit's one! Be well both of you, my good Buddies! ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Here's what I wish >Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:04:20 -0500 > >Hi Tom, > >With all due and professional respect, I couldn't disagree more on your >assertion that demagnetization isn't required. I won't dispute that you >feel that your experience has indicated to you that it isn't necessary, but >let me submit for the groups' consideration that your experience is quite >atypical. My personal experience with all the various recorders great and >small I've used over more than thirty years have confirmed to my >sdatisfaction that the tape companies and tape recorder makers are correct >when they instruct the user to periodic demagnetize the recorder. EVEN >NAKAMICHI gives such advice and once made a demagnetizer. I've often >verified (by the use of an R. B. Annis 5 gauss Pocket Magnetometer) that >residual magnetism builds up on the face of the record and reproduce head >as well as the capstan and metal tape guides. The same meter has been >reassuring as it shows the residual magnetism has been eliminated by the R. >B. Annis Han D Mag (their demagnetizer product -- mine if the medium-short >nose version). > >Every manufacturer of tape recorder AND blank tape recommends periodic >demagnetization. Ampex, the U.S. Library of Congress, The National >Archives, as well as research organizations, arcihves, libraries and major >broadcasting networks of most countries worldwide have conducted research >that corroborates the need for periodic demagnetization. Studies of this go >back to the 1930s. The scientific evidence as well as the general consensus >of both the recording industry as well as the various tape recorder and >tape stock manufacturing industries overwhelmingly agree that periodic >demagnetization is necessary. The physical principles of the need for >periodic demagnetization of tapes recorders are incredibly well documented >despite over sixty years of research into the topic. The consensus for >periodic demagnetization is a tidal wave against the few splashes of those >persons who feel it is unneeded. > >Fortunately, the procedure is easily accomplished by anyone, even total >neophytes devoid of any audio knowledge or experience, equipped even with >all but the lowest quality demagnetizers. > >You may wish to refer to my white paper which brielfy summarizes some of >the unlerying physics as well as describing the procedure. > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf > >. > >Hi Tech wrote: >>Degaussing or demagnetizing is rarely needed. Capstans are hardened steel, >>requiring a powerful woofer size magnet to magnetize. The field >>generated >>by a degausser is too weak to demagnetize the capstan, should it get >>magnetized. Heads are very easily magnetized, otherwise they would not >>work! They demagnetize themselves instantly, so heads are the last things >>that need demagnetization. Most parts near the tape, like guides and pad >>lifters are non magnetic stainless steel. >>More damage is done by improper demagnetization than is benefitted by >>regular use. There was a meter called a Han-D-Mag that we used to use to >>measure magnetization. I never found any fields. The only time I demag is >>before using my test tapes, and I use the TDK cassette exclusively. As >>long >>as magnetized screwdrivers and speakers are kept away from the cassette >>deck, you may park your demag in a drawer. >> >>tom brucker >> >>At 08:54 AM 6/8/06 +0000, you wrote: >> >>>Dear Roland! >>> >>>As I also own an a two years gifted Dragon, after each 10 both sides >>>playing or recording & playing cassettes I degauss all the metal >>>capstams/heads/rubber section, clean with the most "Purest' alcohol >>>liquid the same degaussed parts. What worries me is that you ask for >>>"Clean the Transport Frame"...what you really mean???, such part is >>>ALWAYS cover by a door...so you opened ONLY...to load a cassette; for so >>>I can't recall what you mean...my unit is ALWAYS clean there. The >>>"CASE"...I clean with a brush, newer was needed to use any liquid >>>solution. Also have now the same "Stop Squeak"..., when I will change the >>>"Cam" belt ONE drop of any thin watch oil will cure such noise...as wrote >>>on the service bulletin. >>> >>>So...my dear Roland all my best wishes for you...& be well! >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: roland >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish >>>>Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:13:10 -0400 >>>> >>>>Please feel free to seperate my spleen from my colon sans anesthesia if >>>>this is already available. >>>> >>>>Here I sit thinking, as I get misty eyed over my Dragon, what do I use >>>>to clean the metal parts, the rubber parts, the transport frame, what >>>>type of oil do I use to get rid of the 'Dragon stop squeak' as outlined >>>>in the service bulletin, etc,... >>>> >>>>Now, I know this has been discussed ad nauseum but with the precision of >>>>a Tomahawk missile guidance system a few weeks back. >>>> >>>>Would it be possible to have a section on the Naks.com homepage? >>>> >>>>There has been some products that were discussed for cleaning, rubber >>>>restoration and tips. Some products were a few dollars while others >>>>were $30 a spray can. >>>> >>>>Anyone else with me on this? >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 9 11:37:08 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:37:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] best tape for BX300? Message-ID: Hi John, This is true, although bear in mind that manufacturers tweaked their tapes every few years and sometimes every year with only cursory glances at the IEC94 reference revisions that were issued from time to time. Consequently, internal trimpot adjustments for EX, SX and ZX were applicable / correct at the time in respect of the measured tests for the respective TDK tapes. Nevertheless, you can adjust your BX-300 for the closest match to the source in the normal way by adjusting bias up or down. The 20 year passage of time since BX-300 was built has seen many revisions of the TDK AD, SA and MA but in the main these changes would be within the range of the front panel bias control. (Rising sensitivities are always going to be harder to manage -i.e. SA-X, MA-XG, and MA - oddly MA-X to a lesser degree.) SA is highly compatible. Good luck - Marc >>> antdes45 at yahoo.ca 6/8/2006 10:52:58 PM >>> It's been factory adjusted for Nakamichi / TDK cassettes so that's what you should get. (TDK SA / SA-X used on the SX mode) There are better cassettes out there, but the player needs to be adjusted in a service center to be fully optimized for them. john roberts a écrit : > Which tape is recommened for use with BX300 and where can I find it? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 9 15:16:53 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:16:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <448974C5.3030008@rcn.com> Alex, Continue to demagnetize your deck, about once every 20 to 50 hours of use. Follow directions offered by Nakamichi in many of their owner's manuals. Include all heads, capstans and all metal parts around the cassette well. -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > My dear Tom! > > I have a few degausses, among the ONLY one that today I use Han-D-Mag + > the same meter that you wrote...that since I acquired the "Kit"...this > particularly meter I use to check a magnetizer screwdriver..., so...if > it's magnetized it's treated with my powerful Han-D-Mag > demagnetizer,before I attempt to use it on any deck. > > Really Tom I DO NOT agreed 100% with your statement...sorry ...but; if > you do it right the "Degauss" procedure nothing wrong happens...only helps! > > My best wishes Buddy! > > ALEX! > > > > >> From: Hi Tech >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Here's what I wish >> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:45:46 -0500 >> >> Degaussing or demagnetizing is rarely needed. Capstans are hardened >> steel, >> requiring a powerful woofer size magnet to magnetize. The field >> generated >> by a degausser is too weak to demagnetize the capstan, should it get >> magnetized. Heads are very easily magnetized, otherwise they would not >> work! They demagnetize themselves instantly, so heads are the last things >> that need demagnetization. Most parts near the tape, like guides and pad >> lifters are non magnetic stainless steel. >> More damage is done by improper demagnetization than is benefitted by >> regular use. There was a meter called a Han-D-Mag that we used to use to >> measure magnetization. I never found any fields. The only time I demag is >> before using my test tapes, and I use the TDK cassette exclusively. As >> long >> as magnetized screwdrivers and speakers are kept away from the cassette >> deck, you may park your demag in a drawer. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 08:54 AM 6/8/06 +0000, you wrote: >> >Dear Roland! >> > >> >As I also own an a two years gifted Dragon, after each 10 both sides >> playing >> >or recording & playing cassettes I degauss all the metal >> >capstams/heads/rubber section, clean with the most "Purest' alcohol >> liquid >> >the same degaussed parts. What worries me is that you ask for "Clean the >> >Transport Frame"...what you really mean???, such part is ALWAYS cover >> by a >> >door...so you opened ONLY...to load a cassette; for so I can't recall >> what >> >you mean...my unit is ALWAYS clean there. The "CASE"...I clean with a >> brush, >> >newer was needed to use any liquid solution. Also have now the same >> "Stop >> >Squeak"..., when I will change the "Cam" belt ONE drop of any thin >> watch oil >> >will cure such noise...as wrote on the service bulletin. >> > >> >So...my dear Roland all my best wishes for you...& be well! >> > >> >ALEX! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>From: roland >> >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: naktalk at naks.com >> >>Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish >> >>Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:13:10 -0400 >> >> >> >>Please feel free to seperate my spleen from my colon sans anesthesia if >> >>this is already available. >> >> >> >>Here I sit thinking, as I get misty eyed over my Dragon, what do I >> use to >> >>clean the metal parts, the rubber parts, the transport frame, what >> type of >> >>oil do I use to get rid of the 'Dragon stop squeak' as outlined in the >> >>service bulletin, etc,... >> >> >> >>Now, I know this has been discussed ad nauseum but with the >> precision of a >> >>Tomahawk missile guidance system a few weeks back. >> >> >> >>Would it be possible to have a section on the Naks.com homepage? >> >> >> >>There has been some products that were discussed for cleaning, rubber >> >>restoration and tips. Some products were a few dollars while others >> were >> >>$30 a spray can. >> >> >> >>Anyone else with me on this? >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >>Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 9 15:20:57 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:20:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] best tape for BX300? In-Reply-To: <44888E2A.3010108@yahoo.ca> References: <44888E2A.3010108@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <448975B9.3070406@rcn.com> You are assuming that he deck is still adjusted exactly as delivered from Nak 25 years ago. It probably isn't. The best tape for the deck is the one it was adjusted for. If a person has a large stock of any good tape, it may be worth the cost of having the deck adjusted for it. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > It's been factory adjusted for Nakamichi / TDK cassettes so that's what > you should get. (TDK SA / SA-X used on the SX mode) > > There are better cassettes out there, but the player needs to be > adjusted in a service center to be fully optimized for them. > > john roberts a écrit : >> Which tape is recommened for use with BX300 and where can I find it? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 9 15:42:42 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:42:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 stops playing In-Reply-To: <005601c68b78$f2d43e10$6401a8c0@pigdogxp> References: <005601c68b78$f2d43e10$6401a8c0@pigdogxp> Message-ID: <44897AD2.5080008@rcn.com> Matt Coates wrote: > > > Matt Coates wrote: >> I recently purchased a Cassette Deck 2 that seems to be in very good >> condition, except it will not play a tape all the way through. It >> stops playing about 5 to 15 minutes into the tape (TDK SA 90). When >> it stops, there is a small loop of tape out of the cassette just past >> the pinch roller. I have tried multiple tapes. Any idea what the problem > might be? >> >> Thanks, >> Matt > > Sounds like you have a take up problem. Once tape take up fails, the auto > shut off mechanism stops the transport to prevent a jam. > > -- Ron > > Okay. Would that most likely be a motor problem, since I believe it is gear > driven? Or which part? > > -- Matt Matt, I am not familiar with the Cassette Deck 2, so can't diagnose the fault without looking at the deck actually running. Since the problem occurs 5 to 15 minutes into play, it would be marginal behavior, rather than catastrophic fault. My procedure would be to fully clean and lubricate, then measure take up torque. This should reveal what part causes the problem. If the torque is low, I would try to adjust the reel motor play speed pot. If correct, but it looks like the problem is due to the motor stalling (lightly touching the hub while playing should reveal this) I would see if slightly increasing the adjustment can squeeze a bit more life out of the motor. Good luck, -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 9 17:14:29 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:14:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Demagnetization In-Reply-To: <448890D4.8060602@woods-and-waters.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060608094546.0082b870@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060608094546.0082b870@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060609101429.0082abf0@earthlink.net> I over stressed one point and buried my major point. Yes, demag is important if you have somehow magnetized your deck. My point is, the most common cause of magnetization is improper use of the demagnetizer, followed by the use of magnetized tools. Playing tapes, those streams of randomly oriented ferric magnets, will never magnetize a thing. Starting and stopping a bias oscillator suddenly can cause problems in a poorly designed deck. Bang and Olufsen built a soft start oscillator in the BC5000 for that reason. Anyone that has a "thump" recorded when entering record in the middle of a tape may have magnetization problems. tom brucker At 04:04 PM 6/8/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tom, > >With all due and professional respect, I couldn't disagree more on your >assertion that demagnetization isn't required. I won't dispute that you >feel that your experience has indicated to you that it isn't necessary, >but let me submit for the groups' consideration that your experience is >quite atypical. My personal experience with all the various recorders >great and small I've used over more than thirty years have confirmed to >my sdatisfaction that the tape companies and tape recorder makers are >correct when they instruct the user to periodic demagnetize the >recorder. EVEN NAKAMICHI gives such advice and once made a demagnetizer. > I've often verified (by the use of an R. B. Annis 5 gauss Pocket >Magnetometer) that residual magnetism builds up on the face of the >record and reproduce head as well as the capstan and metal tape guides. >The same meter has been reassuring as it shows the residual magnetism >has been eliminated by the R. B. Annis Han D Mag (their demagnetizer >product -- mine if the medium-short nose version). > >Every manufacturer of tape recorder AND blank tape recommends periodic >demagnetization. Ampex, the U.S. Library of Congress, The National >Archives, as well as research organizations, arcihves, libraries and >major broadcasting networks of most countries worldwide have conducted >research that corroborates the need for periodic demagnetization. >Studies of this go back to the 1930s. The scientific evidence as well as >the general consensus of both the recording industry as well as the >various tape recorder and tape stock manufacturing industries >overwhelmingly agree that periodic demagnetization is necessary. The >physical principles of the need for periodic demagnetization of tapes >recorders are incredibly well documented despite over sixty years of >research into the topic. The consensus for periodic demagnetization is a >tidal wave against the few splashes of those persons who feel it is >unneeded. > >Fortunately, the procedure is easily accomplished by anyone, even total >neophytes devoid of any audio knowledge or experience, equipped even >with all but the lowest quality demagnetizers. > >You may wish to refer to my white paper which brielfy summarizes some of >the unlerying physics as well as describing the procedure. > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf > >. > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Degaussing or demagnetizing is rarely needed. Capstans are hardened steel, >> requiring a powerful woofer size magnet to magnetize. The field generated >> by a degausser is too weak to demagnetize the capstan, should it get >> magnetized. Heads are very easily magnetized, otherwise they would not >> work! They demagnetize themselves instantly, so heads are the last things >> that need demagnetization. Most parts near the tape, like guides and pad >> lifters are non magnetic stainless steel. >> More damage is done by improper demagnetization than is benefitted by >> regular use. There was a meter called a Han-D-Mag that we used to use to >> measure magnetization. I never found any fields. The only time I demag is >> before using my test tapes, and I use the TDK cassette exclusively. As long >> as magnetized screwdrivers and speakers are kept away from the cassette >> deck, you may park your demag in a drawer. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 08:54 AM 6/8/06 +0000, you wrote: >> >>>Dear Roland! >>> >>>As I also own an a two years gifted Dragon, after each 10 both sides playing >>>or recording & playing cassettes I degauss all the metal >>>capstams/heads/rubber section, clean with the most "Purest' alcohol liquid >>>the same degaussed parts. What worries me is that you ask for "Clean the >>>Transport Frame"...what you really mean???, such part is ALWAYS cover by a >>>door...so you opened ONLY...to load a cassette; for so I can't recall what >>>you mean...my unit is ALWAYS clean there. The "CASE"...I clean with a brush, >>>newer was needed to use any liquid solution. Also have now the same "Stop >>>Squeak"..., when I will change the "Cam" belt ONE drop of any thin watch oil >>>will cure such noise...as wrote on the service bulletin. >>> >>>So...my dear Roland all my best wishes for you...& be well! >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: roland >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish >>>>Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:13:10 -0400 >>>> >>>>Please feel free to seperate my spleen from my colon sans anesthesia if >>>>this is already available. >>>> >>>>Here I sit thinking, as I get misty eyed over my Dragon, what do I use to >>>>clean the metal parts, the rubber parts, the transport frame, what type of >>>>oil do I use to get rid of the 'Dragon stop squeak' as outlined in the >>>>service bulletin, etc,... >>>> >>>>Now, I know this has been discussed ad nauseum but with the precision of a >>>>Tomahawk missile guidance system a few weeks back. >>>> >>>>Would it be possible to have a section on the Naks.com homepage? >>>> >>>>There has been some products that were discussed for cleaning, rubber >>>>restoration and tips. Some products were a few dollars while others were >>>>$30 a spray can. >>>> >>>>Anyone else with me on this? >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jun 9 18:59:29 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:59:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish Message-ID: Hi Ron! Yes that is 100% exactly what I do...BUT after each 10 both sides cassettes! 40 years earlier I commenced with R to R decks...so I really know how to do it! Thank you for remind me that! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Here's what I wish >Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:16:53 -0400 > > >Alex, > >Continue to demagnetize your deck, about once every >20 to 50 hours of use. Follow directions offered by >Nakamichi in many of their owner's manuals. Include >all heads, capstans and all metal parts around the >cassette well. > >-- Ron > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>My dear Tom! >> >>I have a few degausses, among the ONLY one that today I use Han-D-Mag + >>the same meter that you wrote...that since I acquired the "Kit"...this >>particularly meter I use to check a magnetizer screwdriver..., so...if >>it's magnetized it's treated with my powerful Han-D-Mag >>demagnetizer,before I attempt to use it on any deck. >> >>Really Tom I DO NOT agreed 100% with your statement...sorry ...but; if you >>do it right the "Degauss" procedure nothing wrong happens...only helps! >> >>My best wishes Buddy! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >>>From: Hi Tech >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Here's what I wish >>>Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:45:46 -0500 >>> >>>Degaussing or demagnetizing is rarely needed. Capstans are hardened >>>steel, >>>requiring a powerful woofer size magnet to magnetize. The field >>>generated >>>by a degausser is too weak to demagnetize the capstan, should it get >>>magnetized. Heads are very easily magnetized, otherwise they would not >>>work! They demagnetize themselves instantly, so heads are the last things >>>that need demagnetization. Most parts near the tape, like guides and pad >>>lifters are non magnetic stainless steel. >>>More damage is done by improper demagnetization than is benefitted by >>>regular use. There was a meter called a Han-D-Mag that we used to use to >>>measure magnetization. I never found any fields. The only time I demag is >>>before using my test tapes, and I use the TDK cassette exclusively. As >>>long >>>as magnetized screwdrivers and speakers are kept away from the cassette >>>deck, you may park your demag in a drawer. >>> >>>tom brucker >>> >>>At 08:54 AM 6/8/06 +0000, you wrote: >>> >Dear Roland! >>> > >>> >As I also own an a two years gifted Dragon, after each 10 both sides >>>playing >>> >or recording & playing cassettes I degauss all the metal >>> >capstams/heads/rubber section, clean with the most "Purest' alcohol >>>liquid >>> >the same degaussed parts. What worries me is that you ask for "Clean >>>the >>> >Transport Frame"...what you really mean???, such part is ALWAYS cover >>>by a >>> >door...so you opened ONLY...to load a cassette; for so I can't recall >>>what >>> >you mean...my unit is ALWAYS clean there. The "CASE"...I clean with a >>>brush, >>> >newer was needed to use any liquid solution. Also have now the same >>>"Stop >>> >Squeak"..., when I will change the "Cam" belt ONE drop of any thin >>>watch oil >>> >will cure such noise...as wrote on the service bulletin. >>> > >>> >So...my dear Roland all my best wishes for you...& be well! >>> > >>> >ALEX! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>From: roland >>> >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish >>> >>Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:13:10 -0400 >>> >> >>> >>Please feel free to seperate my spleen from my colon sans anesthesia >>>if >>> >>this is already available. >>> >> >>> >>Here I sit thinking, as I get misty eyed over my Dragon, what do I use >>>to >>> >>clean the metal parts, the rubber parts, the transport frame, what >>>type of >>> >>oil do I use to get rid of the 'Dragon stop squeak' as outlined in the >>> >>service bulletin, etc,... >>> >> >>> >>Now, I know this has been discussed ad nauseum but with the precision >>>of a >>> >>Tomahawk missile guidance system a few weeks back. >>> >> >>> >>Would it be possible to have a section on the Naks.com homepage? >>> >> >>> >>There has been some products that were discussed for cleaning, rubber >>> >>restoration and tips. Some products were a few dollars while others >>>were >>> >>$30 a spray can. >>> >> >>> >>Anyone else with me on this? >>> >> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> >>Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > >>> > >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> >Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > >>>Tom Brucker CSM >>>Hi Tech Service >>>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>Nashville, TN 37211 >>>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jun 9 20:53:24 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:53:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Here's what I wish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4489C3A4.9080602@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Alex, Alex Cozac wrote: > 500% agree with Kermit!!! > > BTW...we two own the same "State of the Art" short probe demagnetizer, > only that my meter is the metal one, a little bigger, with better > resolution & more expensive that Kermit's one! Ah, I should have know, you'd have the top end magnetometer! Good on you Alex! By the way, I found that Nakamichi DM-10 demagnetizer a few days ago as I unpacked a moving box. I've been in my new address for over three years and I still haven't unpacked all the boxes. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From ddino77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 10 01:03:35 2006 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:03:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Demagnetization Message-ID: <410-2200665923335893@earthlink.net> Tom, I couldn't agree with you more. Over the hundreds of deck I've sold, kept in my collection in the last 30 odd years, NOT one, including my RTR's needed a magnetic flux bath. Dirty oxides left on the heads absolutely, worn and cracked rubber don't mention it, corrosion and poor connective boards YES, YES, YES! But then a again pricey speaker wire to me is another waste of money. What can I say....just the friendly neighborhood curmodgeon... __________________________________________________________ I over stressed one point and buried my major point. Yes, demag is important if you have somehow magnetized your deck. My point is, the most common cause of magnetization is improper use of the demagnetizer, followed by the use of magnetized tools. Playing tapes, those streams of randomly oriented ferric magnets, will never magnetize a thing. Starting and stopping a bias oscillator suddenly can cause problems in a poorly designed deck. Bang and Olufsen built a soft start oscillator in the BC5000 for that reason. Anyone that has a "thump" recorded when entering record in the middle of a tape may have magnetization problems. tom brucker At 04:04 PM 6/8/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tom, > >With all due and professional respect, I couldn't disagree more on your >assertion that demagnetization isn't required. I won't dispute that you >feel that your experience has indicated to you that it isn't necessary, >but let me submit for the groups' consideration that your experience is >quite atypical. My personal experience with all the various recorders >great and small I've used over more than thirty years have confirmed to >my sdatisfaction that the tape companies and tape recorder makers are >correct when they instruct the user to periodic demagnetize the >recorder. EVEN NAKAMICHI gives such advice and once made a demagnetizer. > I've often verified (by the use of an R. B. Annis 5 gauss Pocket >Magnetometer) that residual magnetism builds up on the face of the >record and reproduce head as well as the capstan and metal tape guides. >The same meter has been reassuring as it shows the residual magnetism >has been eliminated by the R. B. Annis Han D Mag (their demagnetizer >product -- mine if the medium-short nose version). > >Every manufacturer of tape recorder AND blank tape recommends periodic >demagnetization. Ampex, the U.S. Library of Congress, The National >Archives, as well as research organizations, arcihves, libraries and >major broadcasting networks of most countries worldwide have conducted >research that corroborates the need for periodic demagnetization. >Studies of this go back to the 1930s. The scientific evidence as well as >the general consensus of both the recording industry as well as the >various tape recorder and tape stock manufacturing industries >overwhelmingly agree that periodic demagnetization is necessary. The >physical principles of the need for periodic demagnetization of tapes >recorders are incredibly well documented despite over sixty years of >research into the topic. The consensus for periodic demagnetization is a >tidal wave against the few splashes of those persons who feel it is >unneeded. > >Fortunately, the procedure is easily accomplished by anyone, even total >neophytes devoid of any audio knowledge or experience, equipped even >with all but the lowest quality demagnetizers. > >You may wish to refer to my white paper which brielfy summarizes some of >the unlerying physics as well as describing the procedure. > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf > >. > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Degaussing or demagnetizing is rarely needed. Capstans are hardened steel, >> requiring a powerful woofer size magnet to magnetize. The field generated >> by a degausser is too weak to demagnetize the capstan, should it get >> magnetized. Heads are very easily magnetized, otherwise they would not >> work! They demagnetize themselves instantly, so heads are the last things >> that need demagnetization. Most parts near the tape, like guides and pad >> lifters are non magnetic stainless steel. >> More damage is done by improper demagnetization than is benefitted by >> regular use. There was a meter called a Han-D-Mag that we used to use to >> measure magnetization. I never found any fields. The only time I demag is >> before using my test tapes, and I use the TDK cassette exclusively. As long >> as magnetized screwdrivers and speakers are kept away from the cassette >> deck, you may park your demag in a drawer. >> >> tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lb61 at optonline.net Sat Jun 10 01:07:42 2006 From: lb61 at optonline.net (mario) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:07:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Idler Wheel Symptoms Message-ID: <4489FF3E.1080603@optonline.net> Using a BX-300 Have had many NAKS the first a BX-150 NEW When the Idler Wheel starts to go it does so gradually and I have replaced many. This is a new one for me. The Bx-300 was working fine next day I powered it up in the AM and pressed play - nothing. In the past my experience has been that the mechanism gears up into the cassette bottom then the idler can't make it and it gears down back to stop. This time press play it just sits there, actually this is what it does: The take up reel action as you close the door does function well I can hear the idler wheel really gripping hard there is no choppiness at all just solid zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzip. press play it makes the noise of the capstans tightening on the cassette and you hear the plastic hubs in the cassette the mechanism doesn't gear up at all or even try the stop light stays on the play light never lights press rew or ffw it simply ignores you period this is worse than an idler isn't it? bert From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 10 14:21:05 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:21:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Idler Wheel Symptoms In-Reply-To: <4489FF3E.1080603@optonline.net> References: <4489FF3E.1080603@optonline.net> Message-ID: <448AB931.4040503@rcn.com> It's a bit difficult to follow what your BX-300 is doing or not doing. However, I would surmise that your control motor is stuck. To investigate this possibility, you can remove the covers, then press PLAY and try to manually help the control motor move. -- Ron mario wrote: > Using a BX-300 > > Have had many NAKS the first a BX-150 NEW > > When the Idler Wheel starts to go it does so gradually and I have > replaced many. > > This is a new one for me. The Bx-300 was working fine next day I > powered it up in the AM and pressed play - nothing. In the past my > experience has been that the mechanism gears up into the cassette bottom > then the idler can't make it and it gears down back to stop. This time > press play it just sits there, actually this is what it does: > > The take up reel action as you close the door does function well I can > hear the idler wheel really gripping hard there is no choppiness at all > just solid zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzip. > > press play > it makes the noise of the capstans tightening on the cassette and you > hear the plastic hubs in the cassette > the mechanism doesn't gear up at all or even try > the stop light stays on the play light never lights > > press rew or ffw it simply ignores you period > > this is worse than an idler isn't it? > > bert From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 10 19:14:14 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:14:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Idler Wheel Symptoms In-Reply-To: <4489FF3E.1080603@optonline.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060610121414.00b71190@pop.earthlink.net> Mario, I think the cam motor diagnosis is correct. Your motor is rotating the cam a bit, but not far enough tom brucker. At 07:07 PM 6/9/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Using a BX-300 > >Have had many NAKS the first a BX-150 NEW > >When the Idler Wheel starts to go it does so gradually and I have >replaced many. > >This is a new one for me. The Bx-300 was working fine next day I >powered it up in the AM and pressed play - nothing. In the past my >experience has been that the mechanism gears up into the cassette bottom >then the idler can't make it and it gears down back to stop. This time >press play it just sits there, actually this is what it does: > >The take up reel action as you close the door does function well I can >hear the idler wheel really gripping hard there is no choppiness at all >just solid zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzip. > >press play >it makes the noise of the capstans tightening on the cassette and you >hear the plastic hubs in the cassette >the mechanism doesn't gear up at all or even try >the stop light stays on the play light never lights > >press rew or ffw it simply ignores you period > >this is worse than an idler isn't it? > >bert > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From whc3 at comcast.net Sun Jun 11 02:27:23 2006 From: whc3 at comcast.net (Wallace Clark) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:27:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX3 & 582 won't play Message-ID: <16e8e994d599e60cf72fda38b05e6504@comcast.net> Hello - I've recently tried to hook up 2 Nak decks that had been in storage - LX3 & 582. Both power up fine and FF and RR work well. However when the play button is pushed nothing happens except for each unit making a whirring noise. After reading through some of the archives seems the symptoms point to a slipping cam belt. Does that seem like the right direction to head in? If so are they difficult to replace? If not ... ? Thank you, Henderson From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Jun 11 03:16:40 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:16:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi build quality ( 700 tri-tracer/rx303)VS. Akai (GXC 735D) Message-ID: Hello. Im Back from a trip to the Mexican border, and I found an "Akai GX735D" In fine condition at a Mexican-American owned junk/slavage store on the US side of the border (along with a very nice vintage Awaia steel heavy gauge 5 component mini system(including a very nice Aiwa mini cassette), and a pair of "ADS" mini speakers- all for a total of 40.00 U.S.!.The reason I am writing this post is that I have got to say that with my very limited experinece with Nakamichi, that the Akai unit seems to be constructed better than my 700 Tri-tracer, and better than the RX-303. Both Naks-the 700 and the 303- have what I would call light /sensitive/fragile touch sensitive controls. THis Awai weighs in at a massive 20LBs. It has huge Akai V.U. meters, and a heavey gauge steel casing.Also the Akai has the famously built glass/metal ferrite heads. When you operate the Awia controls, you feel a heavey resistance, and when they engage you hear and feel a sure,solid "CLUNK"!.I love that feel!There is little question that the electronic sophistication and sound of my Naks supercedes the Akai, yet I am in awe of the "granite"build quality of the Akai machine. This model Akai is simplistic, in that it has no bias equalization, and no wood casing( as do other Akais in this series) yet it is most substantial in a way that is very pleasing. -- From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jun 11 13:42:19 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:42:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] LX3 & 582 won't play In-Reply-To: <16e8e994d599e60cf72fda38b05e6504@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Henderson! Seems me also 100% posible...try to change ALL the belts! on both units. Good luck! ALEX! >From: Wallace Clark >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] LX3 & 582 won't play >Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:27:23 -0400 > >Hello - >I've recently tried to hook up 2 Nak decks that had been in storage - LX3 & >582. Both power up fine and FF and RR work well. However when the play >button is pushed nothing happens except for each unit making a whirring >noise. After reading through some of the archives seems the symptoms point >to a slipping cam belt. Does that seem like the right direction to head in? >If so are they difficult to replace? If not ... ? >Thank you, >Henderson > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jun 11 14:51:40 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:51:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX3 & 582 won't play In-Reply-To: <16e8e994d599e60cf72fda38b05e6504@comcast.net> References: <16e8e994d599e60cf72fda38b05e6504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <448C11DC.9040101@rcn.com> Wallace Clark wrote: > Hello - > I've recently tried to hook up 2 Nak decks that had been in storage - > LX3 & 582. Both power up fine and FF and RR work well. However when the > play button is pushed nothing happens except for each unit making a > whirring noise. After reading through some of the archives seems the > symptoms point to a slipping cam belt. Does that seem like the right > direction to head in? Why ask here? Isn't it simpler to remove the covers and find out? -- Ron > If so are they difficult to replace? If not ... ? > Thank you, > Henderson From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Jun 11 16:55:20 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:55:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi build quality ( 700 tri-tracer/rx303)VS. Akai (GXC 735D) Message-ID: <5DF03BA3-A582-4190-B9BF-39BE2C427F1D@alumni.caltech.edu> > you feel a heavey resistance, and when > they engage you hear and feel a sure,solid "CLUNK"!.I love that > feel! Before I comment on the above, I should note that I like mechanical switch [computer] keyboards (which mostly don't exist any more) as opposed to the membrane-style soft touch type. I don't know whether the Aiwa controls are mechanical or solenoid controls, but the mechanical controls were generally considered "less cost", and Nak also intentionally moved away from solenoid to the cam controlled logic stating (at least in the marketing) that the cam contol was much less jarring to the mechanism than typical solenoids. They did use a solenoid for the head block in at least the 700 II and probably your tritracer and the corresponding 1000 models. The 700 II, though, has capacitance (touch-controlled) switches.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jun 11 17:58:37 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi build quality ( 700 tri-tracer/rx303)VS. Akai (GXC 735D) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060611155837.57088.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry do not look build quality only on switches !. It is no better than having poor sound or less bandwidth. I found the old Nak transport is built to last may be much more than 50 years- with few rubber parts replacement and you should try with any Akai? However if you have ever tried 480 series Nak deck , the switches are quite solid and you couls feel that is better quality than later on decks. I have not seen any nak failing in these tactile switches but only the plastic outer breaking off in transport only when the packaging is improper. kannan jerryjg wrote: Hello. Im Back from a trip to the Mexican border, and I found an "Akai GX735D" In fine condition at a Mexican-American owned junk/slavage store on the US side of the border (along with a very nice vintage Awaia steel heavy gauge 5 component mini system(including a very nice Aiwa mini cassette), and a pair of "ADS" mini speakers- all for a total of 40.00 U.S.!.The reason I am writing this post is that I have got to say that with my very limited experinece with Nakamichi, that the Akai unit seems to be constructed better than my 700 Tri-tracer, and better than the RX-303. Both Naks-the 700 and the 303- have what I would call light /sensitive/fragile touch sensitive controls. THis Awai weighs in at a massive 20LBs. It has huge Akai V.U. meters, and a heavey gauge steel casing.Also the Akai has the famously built glass/metal ferrite heads. When you operate the Awia controls, you feel a heavey resistance, and when they engage you hear and feel a sure,solid "CLUNK"!.I love that feel!There is little question that the electronic sophistication and sound of my Naks supercedes the Akai, yet I am in awe of the "granite"build quality of the Akai machine. This model Akai is simplistic, in that it has no bias equalization, and no wood casing( as do other Akais in this series) yet it is most substantial in a way that is very pleasing. -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Does anyone know the reason for this behaviour or has the service manual? Thanks in advance George Greece -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jun 12 17:12:17 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:12:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 II Erase head height Message-ID: <448D8451.4050808@peromarta.org> Dear all, I have gone agin over the 600II. I am trying to adjust erase head height, and have no idea how to do it with a 2 head machine. I have recorded a 1KHz tone on an old tape, and I am erasing it with the 600II. Apparently adjustments make no difference, so I can't find the right spot. I think it is out of alignmet 'cause the tape winds up on the hub at a different height, and the adj. screw in all the way in. Any idea ? Best rgds, LP. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 12 18:42:50 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:42:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 II Erase head height In-Reply-To: <448D8451.4050808@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060612114250.00833250@earthlink.net> Erase head height is set with shims, but you need a gauge to set it. I can't imagine it ever changing. Play head guides are adjustable with a special tool and a gauge, and could make the tape pack wind at a different height, so I would look there first. I doubt many people have the guide adjust tool, so I would leave the matter alone until you find someone with a tool. As long as the tape edge is not damaged, no harm is being done. tom brucker At 05:12 PM 6/12/06 +0200, Luis Peromarta wrote: >Dear all, > >I have gone agin over the 600II. I am trying to adjust erase head >height, and have no idea how to do it with a 2 head machine. > >I have recorded a 1KHz tone on an old tape, and I am erasing it with the > 600II. Apparently adjustments make no difference, so I can't find the >right spot. > >I think it is out of alignmet 'cause the tape winds up on the hub at a >different height, and the adj. screw in all the way in. > >Any idea ? > >Best rgds, LP. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jun 12 20:20:36 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:20:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Test and calibration equipment for rent initiative Message-ID: <448DB074.6020802@peromarta.org> Dear all, More and more, we are facing the shortage of proper alignment and calibration tools and gauges. Shouldn't we try to stablish a "rental" schema for tools and gauges? See, I am facing now this issue with my 600II. I don't have the gear to adjust it. Somebody out there probably has it. Say I leave a 300$ deposit + a nominal fee for a week rental of the gauge. Would it be nice? LP. -------- Original Message -------- Return-Path: Erase head height is set with shims, but you need a gauge to set it. I can't imagine it ever changing. Play head guides are adjustable with a special tool and a gauge, and could make the tape pack wind at a different height, so I would look there first. I doubt many people have the guide adjust tool, so I would leave the matter alone until you find someone with a tool. As long as the tape edge is not damaged, no harm is being done. tom brucker At 05:12 PM 6/12/06 +0200, Luis Peromarta wrote: >Dear all, > >I have gone agin over the 600II. I am trying to adjust erase head >height, and have no idea how to do it with a 2 head machine. > >I have recorded a 1KHz tone on an old tape, and I am erasing it with the > 600II. Apparently adjustments make no difference, so I can't find the >right spot. > >I think it is out of alignmet 'cause the tape winds up on the hub at a >different height, and the adj. screw in all the way in. > >Any idea ? > >Best rgds, LP. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 12 21:12:05 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:12:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Test and calibration equipment for rent initiative In-Reply-To: <448DB074.6020802@peromarta.org> References: <448DB074.6020802@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <448DBC85.4070902@rcn.com> In an ideal world, this could be an ideal solution. I would rent a complete set of the tapes/gauges to calibrate my CR-7 right now. However, we a do not live in an ideal world, it's anything but... What if the owned finds that a gauge is damaged when it comes back from rental? What if it gets lost in shipping and the shipping company takes 3 moths to settle and then claims it's worth a fraction of its real value? What if the cost of shipping + rental + shipping back is more then the cost to have the unit calibrated by a good tech? Sigh... -- Ron Luis Peromarta wrote: > Dear all, > > More and more, we are facing the shortage of proper alignment and > calibration tools and gauges. > > Shouldn't we try to stablish a "rental" schema for tools and gauges? > See, I am facing now this issue with my 600II. I don't have the gear to > adjust it. Somebody out there probably has it. > > Say I leave a 300$ deposit + a nominal fee for a week rental of the gauge. > > Would it be nice? > > > LP. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Return-Path: > > > Erase head height is set with shims, but you need a gauge to set it. I > can't imagine it ever changing. Play head guides are adjustable with a > special tool and a gauge, and could make the tape pack wind at a different > height, so I would look there first. I doubt many people have the guide > adjust tool, so I would leave the matter alone until you find someone with > a tool. As long as the tape edge is not damaged, no harm is being done. > > tom brucker > > At 05:12 PM 6/12/06 +0200, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I have gone agin over the 600II. I am trying to adjust erase head >> height, and have no idea how to do it with a 2 head machine. >> >> I have recorded a 1KHz tone on an old tape, and I am erasing it with >> the 600II. Apparently adjustments make no difference, so I can't find >> the right spot. >> >> I think it is out of alignmet 'cause the tape winds up on the hub at a >> different height, and the adj. screw in all the way in. >> >> Any idea ? >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 12 23:55:40 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:55:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Test and calibration equipment for rent initiative In-Reply-To: <448DB074.6020802@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060612165540.007a4470@earthlink.net> Luis, I could live with that, but the question is, what happens when Fed Ex looses the shipment? I will have a second complete set of tapes and gauges within 2 weeks. I am giving Kermit first crack at them, but if he doesn't want them, I would consider setting up a lend lease system up. The problem is, even with instructions in the manual, alignment is probably beyond the ability of most Nak owners. Lending gauges might make an alignment situation worse! If we mailed gauges overseas, how much time do we allow for travel? I believe DIY has limits. I know there are NakTalk folks with machine tool connections. I suppose I could send my 600 guide tool out to be duplicated. I wonder though how much the tooler would have to charge just to break even? The tool is 1/4" thick steel with a milled area that leaves 2 straight sided bumps. The tool is 4" long. The bumps fit in the guide and allow it to twist up and down. tom brucker 08:20 PM 6/12/06 +0200, you wrote: >Dear all, > >More and more, we are facing the shortage of proper alignment and >calibration tools and gauges. > >Shouldn't we try to stablish a "rental" schema for tools and gauges? >See, I am facing now this issue with my 600II. I don't have the gear to >adjust it. Somebody out there probably has it. > >Say I leave a 300$ deposit + a nominal fee for a week rental of the gauge. > >Would it be nice? > > >LP. > >-------- Original Message -------- >Return-Path: > > >Erase head height is set with shims, but you need a gauge to set it. I >can't imagine it ever changing. Play head guides are adjustable with a >special tool and a gauge, and could make the tape pack wind at a different >height, so I would look there first. I doubt many people have the guide >adjust tool, so I would leave the matter alone until you find someone with >a tool. As long as the tape edge is not damaged, no harm is being done. > >tom brucker > >At 05:12 PM 6/12/06 +0200, Luis Peromarta wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>I have gone agin over the 600II. I am trying to adjust erase head >>height, and have no idea how to do it with a 2 head machine. >> >>I have recorded a 1KHz tone on an old tape, and I am erasing it with the >> 600II. Apparently adjustments make no difference, so I can't find the >>right spot. >> >>I think it is out of alignmet 'cause the tape winds up on the hub at a >>different height, and the adj. screw in all the way in. >> >>Any idea ? >> >>Best rgds, LP. >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Jun 12 23:49:06 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:49:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Offline] Message-ID: <448DE152.5040609@yahoo.ca> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Kermit V. Gray" Subject: Offline Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:17:19 -0500 Size: 2658 URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jun 12 23:58:46 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:58:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guys Kermit's very busy right now and is going off line for around 3 weeks. He promises to catch up with everyone later. Gra' From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jun 13 06:17:54 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:17:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Test and calibration equipment for rent initiative Message-ID: <1440BD06-E380-4728-A6CA-A0372CDB29F1@alumni.caltech.edu> Luis, Much as I feel in the same boat as you, I have to agree with Ron and Tom on this one. Certainly not a genuine Nak set. They're just too uncommon and irreplaceable. Now, if there were a number of duplicates made from the originals, I could see maybe renting out those. There's just too much chance of damage or loss in shipping--no matter how good one is, stuff happens. Kermit's place gets flooded, etc. The risk of damage to the relationships that have been forged just isn't worth it, it my opinion--as Kermit has pointed out there are ways to do at least some of the things without gauges, albeit not nearly as easily and maybe not even as well. I do agree that anyone "retiring" from the business with a set should either pass them on to someone who wants them that seems worthwhile, or else let them be held by someone in a group who will at least do their best to keep them safe and available when such a person does come along. I'd be willing to pay a decent amount for a duplicate set, although probably not as much as for an "original" even if used set. A bigger problem is also the calibration tapes--especially the Nak specific ones, like the track alignment tape. Gauges with care at least have a pretty long shelf life and survive use pretty well. Test tapes don't.-kby 08:20 PM 6/12/06 +0200, you wrote: >Dear all, > >More and more, we are facing the shortage of proper alignment and >calibration tools and gauges. > >Shouldn't we try to stablish a "rental" schema for tools and gauges? >See, I am facing now this issue with my 600II. I don't have the gear to >adjust it. Somebody out there probably has it. > >Say I leave a 300$ deposit + a nominal fee for a week rental of the gauge. > >Would it be nice? > > >LP. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jun 13 06:34:04 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx meter progress; manuals; 505 reel hub comments Message-ID: <1AF86D25-EE3C-496B-A743-71D11731F414@alumni.caltech.edu> Thanks to Wouter for forwarding on the links to manuals for the 505 and 680zx. I do think these both need to be rescanned, however; at least on screen they're fairly spotty (but certainly a lot better than nothing). Regarding the 505 reel hub size switch, I'd never noticed some cassettes have larger hubs (can't find one at the moment). Learn something new every day. Now for the 680zx...it's mostly working, but not quite. Following Tim Barrett's suggestion, I check the PS voltages, but at least on a meter they looked OK (although later the -12V regulator blew; now replaced). Following Bala's thoughts I replaced the 3 counter ICs, then all the ICs. In that process the flat cable that joins the 2 halves together broke next to one board, and it turns out I think something was probably broken in it beforehand and causing most of the issues with the meter as as soon as I repaired it things worked as they do now, which is better but not right yet. I've also tried replacing the orange caps with no success, and as far as I can tell in a quick pass, the transistors and the diodes at least look passable on a DVM. The symptom now is that although the meters will read loud steady tones OK, the low end drops off. The manual suggests that a 0db signal should be equivalent to about 100mv at one testpoint, and 10mv at the same testpoint should be -20db. Trouble is, -20db is at about -50mV or thereabouts and the meter really doesn't read anything reliable below it's reading of about -10db. Now it's not clear to me at this point if the problem is in the input level to the meter circuit or the meter circuit (still) itself. There aren't a lot of voltage callouts for this; only one in fact and it's not clear at what level this is expected and how close one needs to be to it. There are basically 2 controls to adjust; the clock frequency which presumably affects the sampling and refresh rate of the meter circuit, and the input to the meter circuit. But I can't get any combination of frequency to read with the level set to the maximum, so there's definitely a problem. The input voltages to the circuit, which appear DC, are about 3.3V for 0db (100mv test point signal) and about 500mV for the -20db (10mv test point) signal. Does anyone know if these are the expected values for a 680zx meter circuit? Thanks!-kby From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 13 15:20:05 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:20:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx meter progress; manuals; 505 reel hub comments In-Reply-To: <1AF86D25-EE3C-496B-A743-71D11731F414@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060613082005.00829510@earthlink.net> Kimo, I'll look at the manual when I have a chance, but quickly, are you measuring with a wideband AC voltmeter, or are you using a typical digital meter? If you have an AC voltmeter, then I would say the log convertor portion of the meter circuit has somehow gone linear. BTW, I just fixed my third T100, and now am repairing #4. tom brucker At 09:34 PM 6/12/06 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks to Wouter for forwarding on the links to manuals for the 505 >and 680zx. I do think these both >need to be rescanned, however; at least on screen they're fairly >spotty (but certainly a lot better than nothing). > >Regarding the 505 reel hub size switch, I'd never noticed some >cassettes have larger hubs (can't >find one at the moment). Learn something new every day. > >Now for the 680zx...it's mostly working, but not quite. Following Tim >Barrett's suggestion, I check the PS voltages, >but at least on a meter they looked OK (although later the -12V >regulator blew; now replaced). Following Bala's >thoughts I replaced the 3 counter ICs, then all the ICs. In that >process the flat cable that joins the 2 halves together >broke next to one board, and it turns out I think something was >probably broken in it beforehand and causing most >of the issues with the meter as as soon as I repaired it things >worked as they do now, which is better but not right >yet. I've also tried replacing the orange caps with no success, and >as far as I can tell in a quick pass, the transistors and the diodes >at least look passable on a DVM. > >The symptom now is that although the meters will read loud steady >tones OK, the low end drops off. The manual >suggests that a 0db signal should be equivalent to about 100mv at one >testpoint, and 10mv at the same >testpoint should be -20db. Trouble is, -20db is at about -50mV or >thereabouts and the meter really doesn't read >anything reliable below it's reading of about -10db. > >Now it's not clear to me at this point if the problem is in the input >level to the meter circuit or the meter circuit (still) >itself. There aren't a lot of voltage callouts for this; only one in >fact and it's not clear at what level this is expected >and how close one needs to be to it. > >There are basically 2 controls to adjust; the clock frequency which >presumably affects the sampling and refresh rate >of the meter circuit, and the input to the meter circuit. But I can't >get any combination of frequency to read with the level set to the >maximum, >so there's definitely a problem. > >The input voltages to the circuit, which appear DC, are about 3.3V >for 0db (100mv test point signal) and about 500mV >for the -20db (10mv test point) signal. Does anyone know if these are >the expected values for a 680zx meter circuit? > >Thanks!-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Jun 13 15:54:30 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:54:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic, Nakamichi ST-7 tuner In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060613082005.00829510@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi all, I recently acquired a ST-7 tuner (and thanks to Scott for the owner's manual), which is a US model using 110V. As it is not a Japan (or Europe "E") model, it does not have switchable voltage selector at the back for use in 220-240V countries. I am currently using it with a 240V to 110V converter and it works fine this way BUT I am wondering if there is any way of converting the 110V transformer windings to a 240V transformer winding? I know some of the Krell transformers can be internally adjusted by just flipping a few settings but after having a look at the Nak ST-7 transformer, I don't think this is possible. So if anyone has any info on how I can rewire the transformer inputs/outputs windings or a spare 240V transformer suitable for the ST-7, I would be glad to hear from you. The ST-7 transformer is a 22W rated one. Now, if only there is a standaloneremote control for the ST-7.............Scott, you fancy making one or have you already completed this project too? I remember you mentioned something about a remote for the ST-7??? From thecannonman at hot-shot.com Tue Jun 13 16:22:16 2006 From: thecannonman at hot-shot.com (Joseph Banks) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:22:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] my 600 works now! Message-ID: <20060613142217.5EC47478076@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Hi naktalklisters, thanx 2 everybody who sent ideas on how 2 get my 600 running i spent the last few days working on it &it work really great now.When I opened it up it was really dirty and I was kind of embarased about that I really try to take care of my stereo stuff and & sick when I saw it so dirty inside. Anyways I opened it up & stripped down the whole tape mover & cleaned all the bearings & belts & rubber wheels & shafts & all the other stuff to. I hope this doesnt f up the 600 inside but i used some stuff called rubber renu to clean the belt & all the rubber things & t seems to sound great so maybe not. The manual it said to lube the 600 but it didn't say what kind of oil so I used watchmaker oil I had & it really seems to work but this all sort of made me nervous to work on a delicate thing like a cassete deck but I did it and now I get to hear my music again! Anyway thanx 4 all the help u guys saved me a ton of $$$. :-) -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jun 13 20:18:15 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:18:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx meter progress; manuals; 505 reel hub comments Message-ID: It's a standard DVM--a very old Fluke 8020A handheld. However, the input signal to the meter board appears to be DC (which I guess makes sense--you really only care about magnitude). There's 2 signals per channel; one for the "peak" and one for the "VU"; but they appear to be multiplexed all onto one line via an oscillator-driven counter acting as a clock that drives a quad set of bilateral switches. The voltages I gave were DC. The only callout on the schemo is 7.7V as one of the inputs to the last stage op amp BEFORE that input (it looks like three stages to me but I could be wrong); but that value is dependent on input signal level and the level control which looks like it adjusts the input to the first stage op amp.-kby From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 13 21:03:57 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:03:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic, Nakamichi ST-7 tuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <448F0C1D.9040400@rcn.com> You can have the transformer rewound for dual 115VAC, which will allow you to wire it for either 115V or 230 V. Expect to pay about $100, plus whatever a local tech will charge for removing the original transformer, then installing it after rewinding. -- Ron winnie pooh wrote: > > Hi all, > > I recently acquired a ST-7 tuner (and thanks to Scott for the owner's > manual), which is a US model using 110V. As it is not a Japan (or Europe > "E") model, it does not have switchable voltage selector at the back for > use in 220-240V countries. I am currently using it with a 240V to 110V > converter and it works fine this way BUT I am wondering if there is any > way of converting the 110V transformer windings to a 240V transformer > winding? I know some of the Krell transformers can be internally > adjusted by just flipping a few settings but after having a look at the > Nak ST-7 transformer, I don't think this is possible. > > So if anyone has any info on how I can rewire the transformer > inputs/outputs windings or a spare 240V transformer suitable for the > ST-7, I would be glad to hear from you. The ST-7 transformer is a 22W > rated one. > > Now, if only there is a standaloneremote control for the > ST-7.............Scott, you fancy making one or have you already > completed this project too? I remember you mentioned something about a > remote for the ST-7??? From lb61 at optonline.net Wed Jun 14 02:33:45 2006 From: lb61 at optonline.net (mario) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:33:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade ? Message-ID: <448F5969.6040400@optonline.net> Is it true that the MR-1 all have the gear upgrade and that the BX-Series didn't have it factory installed it's an after market upgrade mod? thanks From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Jun 14 06:19:12 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:19:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060523072017.030d1940@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: My apologies to Marc Denis, I had inadvertently attributed the owner's manual you sent me to Scott instead of you. My thanks once again to Marc for sending me the owner's manual for the ST-7 tuner. Looks like the transofrmers are fixed windings so I presume the only option is to source for a new 22Watt 240V transformer or to keep using the external step down one. Anyone got a ST-7 240V transformer out there? Kelvin. From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 09:14:53 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade ? In-Reply-To: <448F5969.6040400@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20060614071453.76823.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is not true that all MR-1's have the gear idler. The early ones did not. After sometime in '86 is when they started getting it. I think it is true that none of the BX series decks got the gear idler from the factory. --- mario wrote: > Is it true that the MR-1 all have the gear upgrade and that the > BX-Series didn't have it factory installed it's an after market > upgrade mod? > > thanks > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jun 14 11:31:15 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:31:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic, Nakamichi ST-7 tuner Message-ID: Also a minor change to catch the "Tuning radio Stations"...I can't now...how is named...but Europe...use a slightly different "Station tuning'...that In USA! ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly off topic, Nakamichi ST-7 tuner >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:03:57 -0400 > > >You can have the transformer rewound for dual 115VAC, which >will allow you to wire it for either 115V or 230 V. Expect >to pay about $100, plus whatever a local tech will charge >for removing the original transformer, then installing it >after rewinding. > >-- Ron > > > > >winnie pooh wrote: >> >>Hi all, >> >>I recently acquired a ST-7 tuner (and thanks to Scott for the owner's >>manual), which is a US model using 110V. As it is not a Japan (or Europe >>"E") model, it does not have switchable voltage selector at the back for >>use in 220-240V countries. I am currently using it with a 240V to 110V >>converter and it works fine this way BUT I am wondering if there is any >>way of converting the 110V transformer windings to a 240V transformer >>winding? I know some of the Krell transformers can be internally adjusted >>by just flipping a few settings but after having a look at the Nak ST-7 >>transformer, I don't think this is possible. >> >>So if anyone has any info on how I can rewire the transformer >>inputs/outputs windings or a spare 240V transformer suitable for the ST-7, >>I would be glad to hear from you. The ST-7 transformer is a 22W rated one. >> >>Now, if only there is a standaloneremote control for the >>ST-7.............Scott, you fancy making one or have you already completed >>this project too? I remember you mentioned something about a remote for >>the ST-7??? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Jupiler at mail.be Wed Jun 14 14:04:38 2006 From: Jupiler at mail.be (jan duchau) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:04:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Question about the voltage Message-ID: <30796097.1150286678196.JavaMail.root@pumbaa> Hi, After a year and half of hesitating and searching for a Dragon, I finaly found and bought one and it's a beauty. It looks even better than my Denon I bought 2 years ago! There is only one problem... I'm a Belgian and bought the Dragon from an American. The Dragon is pre-set for 120V. Outlets in Belgium are 220V. I aksed him if I could change the plug. If the machine would work with another plug. He said that wasn't going to be any problem. But where to ask for a more certain answer than on the Naks.com forum. I've added a photo of my Dragon @ this adress: http://users.telenet.be/keskondisco/Nakamichi%20Dragon.jpg Next to voltage I see 120V - 220-240V making me guess that the Dragon is indeed capable of working in our Belgium outlets once I change the plug. Can I do this mysef or should I better go to a reputated audioshop where they can do this for me? I'm a noob in all what concerns electricity and soforth so... Thanks for your time and hopefully positive help. A proud Dragon owner... Jan Duchau ----------------------------------------------------- Mail.be, WebMail and Virtual Office http://www.mail.be From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Wed Jun 14 14:33:56 2006 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:33:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Question about the voltage In-Reply-To: <30796097.1150286678196.JavaMail.root@pumbaa> References: <30796097.1150286678196.JavaMail.root@pumbaa> Message-ID: <44900234.9060004@bluewin.ch> Hi Jan If there isn't a switch for 220 V on the backside or inside the Dragon you have to change the transformer in the device. Never change the plug alone. In this case you will surely damage your Dragon. Good luck. Franz jan duchau schrieb: > Hi, > > After a year and half of hesitating and searching for a Dragon, I finaly found and bought one and it's a beauty. > It looks even better than my Denon I bought 2 years ago! > There is only one problem... > I'm a Belgian and bought the Dragon from an American. > The Dragon is pre-set for 120V. > Outlets in Belgium are 220V. > I aksed him if I could change the plug. > If the machine would work with another plug. > He said that wasn't going to be any problem. > But where to ask for a more certain answer than on the Naks.com forum. > I've added a photo of my Dragon @ this adress: > > http://users.telenet.be/keskondisco/Nakamichi%20Dragon.jpg > > Next to voltage I see 120V - 220-240V making me guess that the Dragon is indeed capable of working in our Belgium outlets once I change the plug. > Can I do this mysef or should I better go to a reputated audioshop where they can do this for me? > I'm a noob in all what concerns electricity and soforth so... > Thanks for your time and hopefully positive help. > > A proud Dragon owner... > Jan Duchau > ----------------------------------------------------- > Mail.be, WebMail and Virtual Office > http://www.mail.be > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Wed Jun 14 14:42:54 2006 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:42:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Question about the voltage In-Reply-To: <30796097.1150286678196.JavaMail.root@pumbaa> References: <30796097.1150286678196.JavaMail.root@pumbaa> Message-ID: <4490044E.5010804@bluewin.ch> Hi Jan again After a glance at your picture, it's no problem. Unscrew the two srews of the metal plate, take the plate away, take the switch to the upper position (you will see 230 V) and remount the plate after turning it for 180°. Franz jan duchau schrieb: > Hi, > > After a year and half of hesitating and searching for a Dragon, I finaly found and bought one and it's a beauty. > It looks even better than my Denon I bought 2 years ago! > There is only one problem... > I'm a Belgian and bought the Dragon from an American. > The Dragon is pre-set for 120V. > Outlets in Belgium are 220V. > I aksed him if I could change the plug. > If the machine would work with another plug. > He said that wasn't going to be any problem. > But where to ask for a more certain answer than on the Naks.com forum. > I've added a photo of my Dragon @ this adress: > > http://users.telenet.be/keskondisco/Nakamichi%20Dragon.jpg > > Next to voltage I see 120V - 220-240V making me guess that the Dragon is indeed capable of working in our Belgium outlets once I change the plug. > Can I do this mysef or should I better go to a reputated audioshop where they can do this for me? > I'm a noob in all what concerns electricity and soforth so... > Thanks for your time and hopefully positive help. > > A proud Dragon owner... > Jan Duchau > ----------------------------------------------------- > Mail.be, WebMail and Virtual Office > http://www.mail.be > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 14 14:43:40 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:43:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question about the voltage In-Reply-To: <30796097.1150286678196.JavaMail.root@pumbaa> References: <30796097.1150286678196.JavaMail.root@pumbaa> Message-ID: <4490047C.8080203@rcn.com> DO NOT change the plug. This will feed 240VAC to the Dragon and cause serious damage. What you need to do is purchase a step down (240VAC to 120VAC) transformer that will have a plug that fits the local 240VAC outlets and also American 115VAC outlet into which you will plug your Dragon. Power rating should be about 50W (or higher). You should be able to obtain such a transformer in an electrical supply shop. -- Ron jan duchau wrote: > Hi, > > After a year and half of hesitating and searching for a Dragon, I finaly found and bought one and it's a beauty. > It looks even better than my Denon I bought 2 years ago! > There is only one problem... > I'm a Belgian and bought the Dragon from an American. > The Dragon is pre-set for 120V. > Outlets in Belgium are 220V. > I aksed him if I could change the plug. > If the machine would work with another plug. > He said that wasn't going to be any problem. > But where to ask for a more certain answer than on the Naks.com forum. > I've added a photo of my Dragon @ this adress: > > http://users.telenet.be/keskondisco/Nakamichi%20Dragon.jpg > > Next to voltage I see 120V - 220-240V making me guess that the Dragon is indeed capable of working in our Belgium outlets once I change the plug. > Can I do this mysef or should I better go to a reputated audioshop where they can do this for me? > I'm a noob in all what concerns electricity and soforth so... > Thanks for your time and hopefully positive help. > > A proud Dragon owner... > Jan Duchau From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 15:06:07 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Question about the voltage In-Reply-To: <4490044E.5010804@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <20060614130607.67206.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes Franz is right - you have to switch the voltage setting to 230V before you connect your machine. I had done the opposite when I got my Dargon from India - to switch to 110 V from its original setting of 230V. Do not plug till the voltage is set right Kannan "Franz A. Riedlinger" wrote: Hi Jan again After a glance at your picture, it's no problem. Unscrew the two srews of the metal plate, take the plate away, take the switch to the upper position (you will see 230 V) and remount the plate after turning it for 180°. Franz jan duchau schrieb: > Hi, > > After a year and half of hesitating and searching for a Dragon, I finaly found and bought one and it's a beauty. > It looks even better than my Denon I bought 2 years ago! > There is only one problem... > I'm a Belgian and bought the Dragon from an American. > The Dragon is pre-set for 120V. > Outlets in Belgium are 220V. > I aksed him if I could change the plug. > If the machine would work with another plug. > He said that wasn't going to be any problem. > But where to ask for a more certain answer than on the Naks.com forum. > I've added a photo of my Dragon @ this adress: > > http://users.telenet.be/keskondisco/Nakamichi%20Dragon.jpg > > Next to voltage I see 120V - 220-240V making me guess that the Dragon is indeed capable of working in our Belgium outlets once I change the plug. > Can I do this mysef or should I better go to a reputated audioshop where they can do this for me? > I'm a noob in all what concerns electricity and soforth so... > Thanks for your time and hopefully positive help. > > A proud Dragon owner... > Jan Duchau > ----------------------------------------------------- > Mail.be, WebMail and Virtual Office > http://www.mail.be > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Jun 14 15:44:51 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Question about the voltage References: <30796097.1150286678196.JavaMail.root@pumbaa> <4490044E.5010804@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <000c01c68fb8$b6d95a50$87d017c4@wqmqf762xxnn06> Jan! just in case you are a doubting Thomas: You are lucky ---you have a DUAL VOLTAGE Dragon.What Franz writes below is CORRECT.Do not plug into the plugwallsocket before you have changed the Voltage to 220/230 volts as described by him! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franz A. Riedlinger" To: "jan duchau" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question about the voltage > Hi Jan again > After a glance at your picture, it's no problem. Unscrew the two srews of > the metal plate, take the plate away, take the switch to the upper > position (you will see 230 V) and remount the plate after turning it for > 180°. > Franz > > jan duchau schrieb: >> Hi, >> >> After a year and half of hesitating and searching for a Dragon, I finaly >> found and bought one and it's a beauty. >> It looks even better than my Denon I bought 2 years ago! >> There is only one problem... >> I'm a Belgian and bought the Dragon from an American. >> The Dragon is pre-set for 120V. >> Outlets in Belgium are 220V. >> I aksed him if I could change the plug. >> If the machine would work with another plug. >> He said that wasn't going to be any problem. >> But where to ask for a more certain answer than on the Naks.com forum. >> I've added a photo of my Dragon @ this adress: >> >> http://users.telenet.be/keskondisco/Nakamichi%20Dragon.jpg >> >> Next to voltage I see 120V - 220-240V making me guess that the Dragon is >> indeed capable of working in our Belgium outlets once I change the plug. >> Can I do this mysef or should I better go to a reputated audioshop where >> they can do this for me? >> I'm a noob in all what concerns electricity and soforth so... >> Thanks for your time and hopefully positive help. >> >> A proud Dragon owner... >> Jan Duchau >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> Mail.be, WebMail and Virtual Office >> http://www.mail.be >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 14 23:35:46 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:35:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade ? In-Reply-To: <448F5969.6040400@optonline.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060614163546.00828e70@earthlink.net> No, there are 2 versions of the MR1 and MR2. The idler version has lower AUDIBLE flutter. Measurements are the same, but I can hear the gear's flutter! tom brucker At 08:33 PM 6/13/06 -0400, you wrote: >Is it true that the MR-1 all have the gear upgrade and that the >BX-Series didn't have it factory installed it's an after market upgrade mod? > >thanks > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jun 15 00:02:53 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:02:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade ? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060614163546.00828e70@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060614163546.00828e70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4490878D.6090209@yahoo.ca> In the recording or when you're sitting next to the deck? Antoine Hi Tech a écrit : > No, there are 2 versions of the MR1 and MR2. > > The idler version has lower AUDIBLE flutter. Measurements are the same, but > I can hear the gear's flutter! > > tom brucker > > At 08:33 PM 6/13/06 -0400, you wrote: > >> Is it true that the MR-1 all have the gear upgrade and that the >> BX-Series didn't have it factory installed it's an after market upgrade mod? >> >> thanks From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Jun 15 09:44:34 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:44:34 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic, Nakamichi ST-7 tuner Message-ID: <006501c6904f$8c1154c0$0201a8c0@lan> Kelvin Why worry about converting your ST-7 to 240V if you are quite happy using with a stepdown transformer?? That way you keep the unit original. A few of my Naks are 110V beasts, acquired off a returning US ex-pat, and run quite happily on the converters that came with them. I had enquired about converting them to 240V mains but the advise was to leave them 'as is' unless you can find a 'similar but 'stuffed' deck and salvage the PSU. The cost of winding an appropriate transformer, and then paying someone to install it was well in excess of buying several 240 ->110 stepdowns! My 2 cents worth.. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jun 15 11:21:22 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:21:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx meters (more info) Message-ID: Hmmm, there seems to be an intermittency component to this issue, which (at the moment) I think is mostly thermal (works when it's cold for about 5 minutes; then shows the problem).-kby From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 15 12:50:48 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:50:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade ? Message-ID: <20060615105048.72044.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> My BX-300E has not had a gear upgrade, just a recent idler tire change. Lst night I was listening to an old pre-recorded tape with some vibraphone on there. Vibes are a pretty tough test of transport stability, like piano is, and I could not hear a trace of flutter - it was astonishing to be honest. To me it seems logical that gears meshing (even if they're nylon gears) would introduce a level of flutter compared with the "stepless" motion of a reasonably pliable rubber idler. As long as I keep the BX and the tires are available, I'll keep renewing them. I can't imagine spending the money on a gear upgrade now. Chris From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jun 15 12:58:34 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:58:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic, Nakamichi ST-7 tuner Message-ID: Hi Martin! I agreed, BUT...what happen with the 'Tuning"...exist 75 for USA & 50 for Europe...sorry that I can't recall what is after such numbers...but MUST be tune for the area...which will be use it. I hope that another erudite member of our lovely forum will specify such "Tune"...better that me. Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Martin Short" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic, Nakamichi ST-7 tuner >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:44:34 +1200 > >Kelvin > >Why worry about converting your ST-7 to 240V if you are quite happy using >with a stepdown transformer?? >That way you keep the unit original. >A few of my Naks are 110V beasts, acquired off a returning US ex-pat, and >run quite happily on the converters that came with them. >I had enquired about converting them to 240V mains but the advise was to >leave them 'as is' unless you can find a 'similar but 'stuffed' deck and >salvage the PSU. >The cost of winding an appropriate transformer, and then paying someone to >install it was well in excess of buying several 240 ->110 stepdowns! > >My 2 cents worth.. > >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lb61 at optonline.net Thu Jun 15 13:34:19 2006 From: lb61 at optonline.net (mario) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:34:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade ? In-Reply-To: <20060615105048.72044.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060615105048.72044.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <449145BB.5090604@optonline.net> e? Chris Mann wrote: > My BX-300E has not had a gear upgrade, just a recent > idler tire change. > > Lst night I was listening to an old pre-recorded tape > with some vibraphone on there. Vibes are a pretty > tough test of transport stability, like piano is, and > I could not hear a trace of flutter - it was > astonishing to be honest. > > To me it seems logical that gears meshing (even if > they're nylon gears) would introduce a level of > flutter compared with the "stepless" motion of a > reasonably pliable rubber idler. > > As long as I keep the BX and the tires are available, > I'll keep renewing them. I can't imagine spending the > money on a gear upgrade now. > > Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jun 15 15:05:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:05:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade ? In-Reply-To: <20060615105048.72044.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060615105048.72044.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44915B03.9070105@rcn.com> Chris Mann wrote: > My BX-300E has not had a gear upgrade, just a recent > idler tire change. > > Lst night I was listening to an old pre-recorded tape > with some vibraphone on there. Vibes are a pretty > tough test of transport stability, like piano is, and > I could not hear a trace of flutter - it was > astonishing to be honest. > > To me it seems logical that gears meshing (even if > they're nylon gears) would introduce a level of > flutter compared with the "stepless" motion of a > reasonably pliable rubber idler. > > As long as I keep the BX and the tires are available, > I'll keep renewing them. I can't imagine spending the > money on a gear upgrade now. I agree with you that spending the money for the gear upgrade makes no sense. Moreover, I don't see how the gear can introduce flutter. Remember that the idler gear is driven by a very pliable medium; that is, a seriously under-driven reel motor (it's the same as if it was driven by a very soft rubber band). With the mass of the hub and the tape on it so high and the drive force so low, it is hard to imagine that the hub torque is not constant. Remember, too, that (even ignoring the above) the hub has no effect whatsoever on tape speed -- that is solely determined by the capstan. Finally, it is inconceivable that this alleged flutter is somehow audible to the human ear that can (at best) resolve to 0.25% to 0.5%, yet cannot be measured by sensitive electronic equipment that resolves down to 0.01% (25 to 50 times as sensitive). In short, I have great respect for Tom's experience and knowledge, but on this particular point, I beg to differ. And, oh, BTW, I cannot hear any flutter (or wow, for that matter) on my gear idler equipped deck, while listening, very carefully, to slow sustained piano notes. -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 15 17:14:52 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:14:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade ? In-Reply-To: <4490878D.6090209@yahoo.ca> References: <3.0.3.32.20060614163546.00828e70@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060614163546.00828e70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060615101452.00833250@earthlink.net> Flutter is the technical name for faster speed variations. Wow is for slow variations. Best case is to have none. Wow and flutter less than 0.1% RMS is generally inaudible, but if you listen to sustained piano notes, it is easy to hear flutter. Flutter is not a mechanical sound the deck makes. When you record, flutter distorts the sound. Playback adds a " second layer" of flutter. Playback on a different machine adds a different flutter. My comment about gear flutter refers to the music, not to the gear itself. tom brucker At 06:02 PM 6/14/06 -0400, you wrote: >In the recording or when you're sitting next to the deck? > >Antoine > >Hi Tech a écrit : >> No, there are 2 versions of the MR1 and MR2. >> >> The idler version has lower AUDIBLE flutter. Measurements are the same, but >> I can hear the gear's flutter! >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 08:33 PM 6/13/06 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> Is it true that the MR-1 all have the gear upgrade and that the >>> BX-Series didn't have it factory installed it's an after market upgrade mod? >>> >>> thanks > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 15 17:35:34 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:35:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade ? In-Reply-To: <44915B03.9070105@rcn.com> References: <20060615105048.72044.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060615105048.72044.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060615103534.00828d40@earthlink.net> The gear modification included reel tables, and some other stuff. I don't have an opinion about what parts cause the flutter to be audible. Since the specifications on a BX 1were close to the same (my measurement were 0.05Wrms w/tire, 0.08Wrms w/ gear) I can only theorize that the flutter frequency has changed to a point where I can hear it. It is always wise to relate any specification or measurement back to music. e.g. What does S/N have to do with the sound? Wow and flutter are nothing more than numbers. If a unit had tremendous wow, like an idler drive turntable, all of us could hear it. Flutter is more subtle. I suggest yoy play the piano tape on a dual capstan "classic" mechanism, such as an LX3, and listen for what is missing! Then go back to your deck. The good news is my criticism is based on the BX-1 single capstan Nakamichis, and your BX 300 is dual capstan. Dual capstans have lower flutter, and yours may be inaudible. Perhaps the gear mod is appropriate for dual capstan decks after all. tom brucker At 09:05 AM 6/15/06 -0400, you wrote: >Chris Mann wrote: >> My BX-300E has not had a gear upgrade, just a recent >> idler tire change. >> >> Lst night I was listening to an old pre-recorded tape >> with some vibraphone on there. Vibes are a pretty >> tough test of transport stability, like piano is, and >> I could not hear a trace of flutter - it was >> astonishing to be honest. >> >> To me it seems logical that gears meshing (even if >> they're nylon gears) would introduce a level of >> flutter compared with the "stepless" motion of a >> reasonably pliable rubber idler. >> >> As long as I keep the BX and the tires are available, >> I'll keep renewing them. I can't imagine spending the >> money on a gear upgrade now. > >I agree with you that spending the money for the gear >upgrade makes no sense. Moreover, I don't see how the >gear can introduce flutter. Remember that the idler >gear is driven by a very pliable medium; that is, a >seriously under-driven reel motor (it's the same as if >it was driven by a very soft rubber band). With the >mass of the hub and the tape on it so high and the >drive force so low, it is hard to imagine that the hub >torque is not constant. > >Remember, too, that (even ignoring the above) the hub >has no effect whatsoever on tape speed -- that is >solely determined by the capstan. > >Finally, it is inconceivable that this alleged flutter >is somehow audible to the human ear that can (at best) >resolve to 0.25% to 0.5%, yet cannot be measured by >sensitive electronic equipment that resolves down to >0.01% (25 to 50 times as sensitive). > >In short, I have great respect for Tom's experience >and knowledge, but on this particular point, I beg to >differ. And, oh, BTW, I cannot hear any flutter (or >wow, for that matter) on my gear idler equipped deck, >while listening, very carefully, to slow sustained >piano notes. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From flifton at mac.com Thu Jun 15 17:32:55 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:32:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tech writing In-Reply-To: <200606151000.k5FA05BX009568@zxe.naks.com> References: <200606151000.k5FA05BX009568@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Back after a long absence. Nice to be back amongst the audio curmudgeons. I've been reading all the recent posts about creating jigs, test tapes and so forth. As a non-engineer, I can't contribute that kind of expertise. However, it occurred to me that there may be a need for manuals and instructions. That I can help with. I'm a tech writer, and as such specialize in translating and transcribing technical language. So, I'd be happy to write manuals or instruction sheets for any of the procedures/equipment we're hoping to disseminate. I'm happy to do this for free (I'd hate to have to put a price on all the information I've gotten from this list over the years). Though of course I always hope that someone will know of or have a non-Nak paying gig! So Tom, Bala, Ti and all you other engineer types, hit me up off-list if there's anything I can do for you (us). cheers, Fred From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jun 15 18:17:18 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:17:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade ? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060615103534.00828d40@earthlink.net> References: <20060615105048.72044.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060615105048.72044.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060615103534.00828d40@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4491880E.9000108@rcn.com> Tom, the deck I was referring to was a CR-7 -- dual capstan, as you know. However, in any properly operating deck, speed is controlled by the capstan(s) only. If your comments were with regard to a BX-1, then, yes, a single capstan deck has somewhat less control on tape speed and it's possible that the specific deck you were auditioning was not in top notch condition (for example, somewhat sticky pinch roller arm). If, in addition, the gear and hub mating surfaces were not clean, then it's possible that flutter of that machine was, indeed, high and audible. But this is not generally true of Sankyo transport decks and, certainly, not of those with dual capstans (BX-300, MR-1, CR-5, CR-7, etc.). Regards, -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > The gear modification included reel tables, and some other stuff. I don't > have an opinion about what parts cause the flutter to be audible. Since the > specifications on a BX 1were close to the same (my measurement were > 0.05Wrms w/tire, 0.08Wrms w/ gear) I can only theorize that the flutter > frequency has changed to a point where I can hear it. > It is always wise to relate any specification or measurement back to > music. e.g. What does S/N have to do with the sound? Wow and flutter are > nothing more than numbers. If a unit had tremendous wow, like an idler > drive turntable, all of us could hear it. Flutter is more subtle. I suggest > yoy play the piano tape on a dual capstan "classic" mechanism, such as an > LX3, and listen for what is missing! Then go back to your deck. The good > news is my criticism is based on the BX-1 single capstan Nakamichis, and > your BX 300 is dual capstan. Dual capstans have lower flutter, and yours > may be inaudible. Perhaps the gear mod is appropriate for dual capstan > decks after all. > > tom brucker > > At 09:05 AM 6/15/06 -0400, you wrote: >> Chris Mann wrote: >>> My BX-300E has not had a gear upgrade, just a recent >>> idler tire change. >>> >>> Lst night I was listening to an old pre-recorded tape >>> with some vibraphone on there. Vibes are a pretty >>> tough test of transport stability, like piano is, and >>> I could not hear a trace of flutter - it was >>> astonishing to be honest. >>> >>> To me it seems logical that gears meshing (even if >>> they're nylon gears) would introduce a level of >>> flutter compared with the "stepless" motion of a >>> reasonably pliable rubber idler. >>> >>> As long as I keep the BX and the tires are available, >>> I'll keep renewing them. I can't imagine spending the >>> money on a gear upgrade now. >> I agree with you that spending the money for the gear >> upgrade makes no sense. Moreover, I don't see how the >> gear can introduce flutter. Remember that the idler >> gear is driven by a very pliable medium; that is, a >> seriously under-driven reel motor (it's the same as if >> it was driven by a very soft rubber band). With the >> mass of the hub and the tape on it so high and the >> drive force so low, it is hard to imagine that the hub >> torque is not constant. >> >> Remember, too, that (even ignoring the above) the hub >> has no effect whatsoever on tape speed -- that is >> solely determined by the capstan. >> >> Finally, it is inconceivable that this alleged flutter >> is somehow audible to the human ear that can (at best) >> resolve to 0.25% to 0.5%, yet cannot be measured by >> sensitive electronic equipment that resolves down to >> 0.01% (25 to 50 times as sensitive). >> >> In short, I have great respect for Tom's experience >> and knowledge, but on this particular point, I beg to >> differ. And, oh, BTW, I cannot hear any flutter (or >> wow, for that matter) on my gear idler equipped deck, >> while listening, very carefully, to slow sustained >> piano notes. >> >> -- Ron >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 16 16:34:19 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:34:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tech writing In-Reply-To: References: <200606151000.k5FA05BX009568@zxe.naks.com> <200606151000.k5FA05BX009568@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060616093419.0082b270@earthlink.net> Fred, your offer is interesting. Trying to interpret Japanese engineering English is always a challenge. tom brucker At 08:32 AM 6/15/06 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all, >Back after a long absence. Nice to be back amongst the audio >curmudgeons. I've been reading all the recent posts about creating >jigs, test tapes and so forth. As a non-engineer, I can't contribute >that kind of expertise. However, it occurred to me that there may be >a need for manuals and instructions. That I can help with. I'm a tech >writer, and as such specialize in translating and transcribing >technical language. So, I'd be happy to write manuals or instruction >sheets for any of the procedures/equipment we're hoping to >disseminate. I'm happy to do this for free (I'd hate to have to put a >price on all the information I've gotten from this list over the >years). Though of course I always hope that someone will know of or >have a non-Nak paying gig! > >So Tom, Bala, Ti and all you other engineer types, hit me up off-list >if there's anything I can do for you (us). > >cheers, >Fred >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From Jupiler at mail.be Thu Jun 15 20:32:49 2006 From: Jupiler at mail.be (jan duchau) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:32:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Question about the voltage Message-ID: <1303793.1150396369156.JavaMail.root@pumbaa> Hi everybody, I followed your instructions and everything is working like a charm. I still have to buy a voltage adaptor because the seller included his demagnitiser also. Is that Nakamichi demagnitiser a good tool btw? Thanx a lot people and you'll hear something soon from the Nakanoob...if I have any problems :-) ----------------------------------------------------- Mail.be, WebMail and Virtual Office http://www.mail.be From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 17 01:55:52 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:55:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question about the voltage In-Reply-To: <1303793.1150396369156.JavaMail.root@pumbaa> References: <1303793.1150396369156.JavaMail.root@pumbaa> Message-ID: <44934508.5080604@rcn.com> The Nak demagnetiser is good and does the job. Do use it *exactly* per instructions. -- Ron jan duchau wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I followed your instructions and everything is working like a charm. > I still have to buy a voltage adaptor because the seller included his demagnitiser also. > Is that Nakamichi demagnitiser a good tool btw? > > Thanx a lot people and you'll hear something soon from the Nakanoob...if I have any problems :-) > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 16:24:57 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:24:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade In-Reply-To: <20060614071453.76823.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <448F5969.6040400@optonline.net> <20060614071453.76823.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110606140724h15f096b5p3f80f685cfc87ab9@mail.gmail.com> My recently-purchased BX-125 absolutely has the old tire idler, as I'm about to replace it. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Jun 17 09:08:31 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:08:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx meters: fixed Message-ID: I finally figured out the 680zx meters; a bad orange cap. When I had the original problem (which I eventually think was a result of the broken flat ribbon cable), I'd swapped out all the caps with ones I'd had from other machines, with no change, but, since at least one wasn't the right voltage (low, but the schemaatic looked like the part was well over-speced in that aspect), I'd put the originals back when they didn't fix the other problem. I was able to figure this out finally as when I realized it was thermal, I just went out and got a can of the freeze-um (tetrafluoroethane) spray to pinpoint the issue. Thanks for all the help. Now I just need that bulb supplier and part numbers from Tom so I can order those and some transistors that I've also substituted in the motor control circuits whilst I was figuring out what all the other problems were. And a few other things...-kby From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sat Jun 17 13:25:51 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:25:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Technical Writing Message-ID: <4493E6BF.9050208@caribsurf.com> Altho the service manuals are readily available, there is a lot they do not cover.... however, there is information on the Nak and other websites with regard to "How to....." and it would be worthwhile developing a "How to ......" file. There is already two approaches to changing the tyres on the idler wheel which is frequently needed. There is also changing a main capstan belt (I have not seen any advice on how to do this) or how to remove the control motor to clean it.... Such tips would save a lot of perhaps unnecessary dismantling if there is an easier approach. It is an area where the Nak service manuals are less informative than, for example, the Kenwood or Aiwa service manuals. Regards Paul From lb61 at optonline.net Sat Jun 17 14:22:07 2006 From: lb61 at optonline.net (mario) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:22:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cam motor BX-300 & 150 Message-ID: <4493F3EF.6040900@optonline.net> I wrote earlier in the week saying how ff, rew, rec, play do not engage but the idler tire is new. I was told the problem was the cam motor (or whatever they called it). That is what it is. There are three contact in the upper right corner behind the cassette well inside the machine that can be seen with the cover off. The contacts rest over white plastic cams that have notches in them. Soon as I take a screw driver and move the cam, everything engages and ff, rew, play, rec work but after several activations of different feature it's goes back to being locked up. Is there a way to adjust the rotation setting on the cams? Are they supposed to be covered in grease or lubricant of some sort this is why it's messing up? i.e. how to fix this/ thanks! From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 17 21:21:40 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:21:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cam motor BX-300 & 150 In-Reply-To: <4493F3EF.6040900@optonline.net> References: <4493F3EF.6040900@optonline.net> Message-ID: <44945644.3080108@rcn.com> Either the switch blades do not make contact or the control motor doesn't drive the cam to its final correct position. The contacts should be clean and dry. The best way to clean them is to spray a drop of contact cleaner, then actuate them a few times. To test the control motor, try to help it along after it comes to rest. If it takes another couple of revolutions, it should lubricated, cleaned or rebuilt -- depending on the severity of its problem. -- Ron mario wrote: > I wrote earlier in the week saying how ff, rew, rec, play do not engage > but the idler tire is new. I was told the problem was the cam motor (or > whatever they called it). That is what it is. There are three contact > in the upper right corner behind the cassette well inside the machine > that can be seen with the cover off. The contacts rest over white > plastic cams that have notches in them. Soon as I take a screw driver > and move the cam, everything engages and ff, rew, play, rec work but > after several activations of different feature it's goes back to being > locked up. > > Is there a way to adjust the rotation setting on the cams? Are they > supposed to be covered in grease or lubricant of some sort this is why > it's messing up? > > i.e. how to fix this/ > > thanks! From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Jun 18 08:00:55 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:00:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: "last" major issue Message-ID: <7BDC9FD1-801F-4DFF-B1E8-1B22260AB20D@alumni.caltech.edu> I think this is the last thing that really needs to be addressed on this 680zx (except perhaps fine tuning things). It seems to have an issue of crunching some tapes--mostly TDK MA and espcially the 110 min. lengths.I think the back edge looks like it gets hit first, but I'm not clear. Other tapes don't seem to show any damage at all. It also seems much more likely to happen (only seems to happen?) during auto azimuth alignment. Anything obvious to look for? Already cleaned the heads & pinch rollers...-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Jun 18 23:02:15 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:02:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Never mind... Message-ID: <121C4C58-1A81-4CE9-BF80-500DD1DCD9D5@alumni.caltech.edu> I think I figured out the tape crunch. It was inadequate supply pinch roller pressure. In the process I've found cassettes with mangled tapes can be useful for making "tape traveling" cassettes; you just have to FF/REW around the already crunched parts. -kby From jamiep8 at msn.com Sun Jun 18 23:45:02 2006 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:45:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: "last" major issue References: <7BDC9FD1-801F-4DFF-B1E8-1B22260AB20D@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: Dude, NEVER use any tape longer than 90 minutes, for any reason. 100 and 110 minute-tapes are way too hard on your motors. 60 minute tapes are your best bet, plus you can find them a lot cheaper. I love TDK tapes, but the MA sucks. The sx switch on your deck is the specific bias set for Nakamichi sx tapes, which actually are TDK SAX, repackaged by Nakamichi, And, they sound waaaaaay better that MA's. Do yourself a favor and throw away those long tapes. your tape deck will thank you with more years of problem-free service. Good luck, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:00 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: "last" major issue I think this is the last thing that really needs to be addressed on this 680zx (except perhaps fine tuning things). It seems to have an issue of crunching some tapes--mostly TDK MA and espcially the 110 min. lengths.I think the back edge looks like it gets hit first, but I'm not clear. Other tapes don't seem to show any damage at all. It also seems much more likely to happen (only seems to happen?) during auto azimuth alignment. Anything obvious to look for? Already cleaned the heads & pinch rollers...-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Jun 18 23:50:19 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:50:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Never mind... In-Reply-To: <121C4C58-1A81-4CE9-BF80-500DD1DCD9D5@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <121C4C58-1A81-4CE9-BF80-500DD1DCD9D5@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <4495CA9B.6040400@yahoo.ca> Even if the pressure is too small, shouldn't the tape NOT crunch? It means that the capstan or pinch roller is pushing it to one side or an other. It happens with my black BX-2. Putting more pressure stops the problem, but the BX-2 isn't designed to have a variable pressure on the pinch roller. The capstan moves as if the bearing was loose when the pinch roller touches it. Kimo B. Yap a écrit : > I think I figured out the tape crunch. It was inadequate supply pinch > roller pressure. > > In the process I've found cassettes with mangled tapes can be useful > for making > "tape traveling" cassettes; you just have to FF/REW around the already > crunched parts. > -kby From dock76 at netzero.net Mon Jun 19 03:32:22 2006 From: dock76 at netzero.net (dock76) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:32:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak bx-300 Message-ID: <000c01c69340$37a83b80$390c163f@computer> Hello All, I live in Massachusetts and am looking for a reputable company in the New England area to upgrade the motor of a Nak BX-300 deck which I just purchased on E-Bay.Does anyone have any recomendations of one?... Thanks, D.Perry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jun 19 09:50:05 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:50:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: "last" major issue Message-ID: <6A244E6E-AC7D-4F9D-B716-8CBA99A95B88@alumni.caltech.edu> > Dude, NEVER use any tape longer than 90 minutes, for any reason. > 100 and 110 minute-tapes are way too hard on your motors. 60 minute > tapes are your best bet, plus you can find them a lot cheaper. I > love TDK tapes, but the MA sucks. The sx switch on your deck is the > specific bias set for Nakamichi sx tapes, which actually are TDK > SAX, repackaged by Nakamichi, And, they sound waaaaaay better that > MA's. Do yourself a favor and throw away those long tapes. your > tape deck will thank you with more years of problem-free service. > Good luck, Mike > Whereas I understand that thinner tapes are in general more of a problem than thicker (and usually shorter) ones, I haven't had a systematic issue with any of the "major" tapes (or even a lot of off- types) on the 1000zxl or even a 700zxl, the latter of which does very little correcly at the moment. As far as using MA, in the case of the 1000zxl it doesn't really matter from the standpoint of adjustment as the deck will calibrate itself to anything reasonable. In the case of the 680zx, that's not true, but the main reason I got the 680 to fiddle with was to play around with the half- speed recording, and the extra performance that can be sqeezed out of Type IV tapes is even show in the frequency response spec for the deck, unlike for other Naks of siilar vintage. Of type IVs I have ardound, the MAs are actually the most plentiful and for me the most expendablea s in the 1000zxl I prefer the Maxells;they seem to have better construction in their cheaper shells (the fancier shelss are also OK but the differential between, say a Vertex and an MA-XG is less obvious. I have to admit, as I've used different generations of MA, I've come to really miss the autocal on the 1000zxl. -kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jun 19 09:54:35 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:54:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Never mind... Message-ID: I don't know if I agree about the first part (too low pressure being less of a crunch) but you appear to be right on the latter part--that the tape is drifting backwards at the supply side and eventually running afoul of the tape guide. I thought that poor (or uneven, I guess) pressure from the supply roller could cause this, no/ It actually seems better swapping with a roller which actually looks older/worse from a 700zxl that has a lot of other problems, but not that one, but it will take some time to be sure. Nothing else looked obvious, but nothing obvious is wrong with the roller, either (not excessively glazed or visibly uneven).-kby From lb61 at optonline.net Mon Jun 19 11:37:33 2006 From: lb61 at optonline.net (mario) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:37:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cam motor BX-300 & 150 In-Reply-To: <44945644.3080108@rcn.com> References: <4493F3EF.6040900@optonline.net> <44945644.3080108@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4496705D.1000900@optonline.net> Motor has been cleaned - doesn't appear to need a rebuild What should I lubricate with - white grease all over the cams and rotating parts? thanks Ron wrote: > > Either the switch blades do not make contact or the control > motor doesn't drive the cam to its final correct position. > > The contacts should be clean and dry. The best way to clean > them is to spray a drop of contact cleaner, then actuate > them a few times. > > To test the control motor, try to help it along after it > comes to rest. If it takes another couple of revolutions, > it should lubricated, cleaned or rebuilt -- depending on > the severity of its problem. > > -- Ron > > > mario wrote: >> I wrote earlier in the week saying how ff, rew, rec, play do not >> engage but the idler tire is new. I was told the problem was the cam >> motor (or whatever they called it). That is what it is. There are >> three contact in the upper right corner behind the cassette well >> inside the machine that can be seen with the cover off. The contacts >> rest over white plastic cams that have notches in them. Soon as I >> take a screw driver and move the cam, everything engages and ff, rew, >> play, rec work but after several activations of different feature >> it's goes back to being locked up. >> >> Is there a way to adjust the rotation setting on the cams? Are they >> supposed to be covered in grease or lubricant of some sort this is >> why it's messing up? >> >> i.e. how to fix this/ >> >> thanks! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From philztops at hotmail.com Mon Jun 19 14:12:14 2006 From: philztops at hotmail.com (Philip Czekala) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:12:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak bx-300 In-Reply-To: <000c01c69340$37a83b80$390c163f@computer> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3305 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Jun 19 17:03:04 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:03:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic, Nakamichi ST-7 tuner In-Reply-To: <006501c6904f$8c1154c0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: Martin, I think it is most likely I shall end up continuing to use it with the step down transformer................ >From: "Martin Short" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic, Nakamichi ST-7 tuner >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:44:34 +1200 > >Kelvin > >Why worry about converting your ST-7 to 240V if you are quite happy using >with a stepdown transformer?? >That way you keep the unit original. >A few of my Naks are 110V beasts, acquired off a returning US ex-pat, and >run quite happily on the converters that came with them. >I had enquired about converting them to 240V mains but the advise was to >leave them 'as is' unless you can find a 'similar but 'stuffed' deck and >salvage the PSU. >The cost of winding an appropriate transformer, and then paying someone to >install it was well in excess of buying several 240 ->110 stepdowns! > >My 2 cents worth.. > >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 17:52:41 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak bx-300 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060619155241.90929.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.eslabs.com/ (not www.esl.com) The following will also work http://www.nakamichi.us/ Having them do the repair of the motor will likely cost a lot more than you probably paid for your deck. There is a web site somewhere that shows how to refurb these motors, but, I can't seem to find it right now. SJ --- Philip Czekala wrote: --------------------------------- Electronic Service Labs 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, CT 06109 www.esl.com --------------------------------- From: "dock76" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Subject: [naktalk] Nak bx-300 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:32:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.25]) by bay0-mc5-f10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:42:41 -0700 Received: from zxe.naks.com (g218150.upc-g.chello.nl [80.57.218.150])(authenticated bits=0)by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5J7fIwk050395;Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:41:19 +0200 (CEST)(envelope-from naktalk-bounces at naks.com) Received: from zxe.naks.com (zxe.naks.com [127.0.0.1])by zxe.naks.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5J7ePk3032407;Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:40:52 +0200 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com[64.136.28.164])by zxe.naks.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k5J0StiJ030699for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:28:56 +0200 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp01.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.121])by smtpout08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCKM57DAUYW8Q2for (sender );Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19800 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 00:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) (63.22.12.57)by smtp01.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 00:28:14 -0000 Hello All, I live in Massachusetts and am looking for a reputable company in the New England area to upgrade the motor of a Nak BX-300 deck which I just purchased on E-Bay.Does anyone have any recomendations of one?... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 19 19:09:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:09:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: "last" major issue In-Reply-To: References: <7BDC9FD1-801F-4DFF-B1E8-1B22260AB20D@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <4496DA62.8040000@rcn.com> Michael Pisano wrote: > Dude, NEVER use any tape longer than 90 minutes, for any reason. 100 and > 110 minute-tapes are way too hard on your motors. That's not universally true, though it may be true for your deck and ears. I have owned a 700, 582 and now, CR-7. All decks were used extensively with C120 (and now, C110 and C100) cassettes, for over 30 years, with no problem whatsoever. > 60 minute tapes are > your best bet, plus you can find them a lot cheaper. Yes, but they are useless for many (most?) long classical works. And who wants to flip the cassette every 30 minuets or less? > I love TDK tapes, but the MA sucks. Again, that's *your* conclusion. I have found the MA tapes to be far superiour to SA (which I prefer to SAX) for all highly modulated recordings. > The sx switch on your deck is the specific bias set > for Nakamichi sx tapes, which actually are TDK SAX... Really? I thought they were SA tapes, not SAX. However, this is academic, as the decks came calibrated that way from the factory, but in all likelihood were recalibrated since then several times, by several techs, that most likely calibrated for whatever tape the customer specified at the time. Not to mention that many Nakamichi decks allow tweaking bias and level for whatever tape is in the machine at the time. > ... repackaged by > Nakamichi, And, they sound waaaaaay better that MA's. Like I said, not on *my* decks and not to *me*. > Do yourself a favor and throw away those long tapes. Do *me* a favor and tell me exactly where you are throwing them :-). -- Ron > your tape deck will thank you > with more years of problem-free service. Good luck, Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Kimo B. Yap > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:00 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] 680ZX: "last" major issue > > I think this is the last thing that really needs to be addressed on > this 680zx (except perhaps fine tuning > things). It seems to have an issue of crunching some tapes--mostly > TDK MA and espcially the 110 min. > lengths.I think the back edge looks like it gets hit first, but I'm > not clear. Other tapes don't seem to show any damage at > all. It also seems much more likely to happen (only seems to happen?) > during auto azimuth alignment. Anything > obvious to look for? Already cleaned the heads & pinch rollers...-kby From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 19 19:12:36 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:12:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Never mind... In-Reply-To: <4495CA9B.6040400@yahoo.ca> References: <121C4C58-1A81-4CE9-BF80-500DD1DCD9D5@alumni.caltech.edu> <4495CA9B.6040400@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4496DB04.2070503@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Even if the pressure is too small, shouldn't the tape NOT crunch? It > means that the capstan or pinch roller is pushing it to one side or an > other. It could mean that one side may have better traction that the other and the tape is skewed due to the slippage. -- Ron > It happens with my black BX-2. Putting more pressure stops the > problem, but the BX-2 isn't designed to have a variable pressure on the > pinch roller. The capstan moves as if the bearing was loose when the > pinch roller touches it. > > Kimo B. Yap a écrit : >> I think I figured out the tape crunch. It was inadequate supply pinch >> roller pressure. >> >> In the process I've found cassettes with mangled tapes can be useful >> for making >> "tape traveling" cassettes; you just have to FF/REW around the already >> crunched parts. >> -kby From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 19 19:13:56 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:13:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak bx-300 In-Reply-To: <000c01c69340$37a83b80$390c163f@computer> References: <000c01c69340$37a83b80$390c163f@computer> Message-ID: <4496DB54.2070605@rcn.com> What do you mean by 'upgrade' and what motor are you referring to? -- Ron dock76 wrote: > Hello All, > > I live in Massachusetts and am looking for a reputable company in the > New England area to upgrade the motor of a Nak BX-300 deck which I just > purchased on E-Bay.Does anyone have any recomendations of one?... > > Thanks, D.Perry From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 19 19:17:03 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:17:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cam motor BX-300 & 150 In-Reply-To: <4496705D.1000900@optonline.net> References: <4493F3EF.6040900@optonline.net> <44945644.3080108@rcn.com> <4496705D.1000900@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4496DC0F.5020606@rcn.com> A drop of light machine oil at both ends of the motor shaft. Small (very small) amount of light lithium grease over the gear teeth and cam area. -- Ron mario wrote: > Motor has been cleaned - doesn't appear to need a rebuild > > What should I lubricate with - white grease all over the cams and > rotating parts? > > thanks > > > > Ron wrote: >> >> Either the switch blades do not make contact or the control >> motor doesn't drive the cam to its final correct position. >> >> The contacts should be clean and dry. The best way to clean >> them is to spray a drop of contact cleaner, then actuate >> them a few times. >> >> To test the control motor, try to help it along after it >> comes to rest. If it takes another couple of revolutions, >> it should lubricated, cleaned or rebuilt -- depending on >> the severity of its problem. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> mario wrote: >>> I wrote earlier in the week saying how ff, rew, rec, play do not >>> engage but the idler tire is new. I was told the problem was the cam >>> motor (or whatever they called it). That is what it is. There are >>> three contact in the upper right corner behind the cassette well >>> inside the machine that can be seen with the cover off. The contacts >>> rest over white plastic cams that have notches in them. Soon as I >>> take a screw driver and move the cam, everything engages and ff, rew, >>> play, rec work but after several activations of different feature >>> it's goes back to being locked up. >>> >>> Is there a way to adjust the rotation setting on the cams? Are they >>> supposed to be covered in grease or lubricant of some sort this is >>> why it's messing up? >>> >>> i.e. how to fix this/ >>> >>> thanks! > From paulcar at caribsurf.com Mon Jun 19 23:10:48 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:10:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 120 tapes Message-ID: <449712D8.3010404@caribsurf.com> I have avoided using 120 tapes over the years because they are very thin and are liable to stretch. Of course, I was not using a Nakamichi! However, Interestingly, the Nakamichi owners manual states : "C-120 cassettes (playing time one hour per side) contain extremely thin tape which breaks or snarls easily, is sometimes subject to stretching and also is of low sensitivity. Therefore C-120 cassettes are not recommended for high-fidelity recording" Regards Paul From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jun 19 23:26:22 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:26:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade ? Message-ID: <7C156591-78CD-465C-B017-0EF3D693D9C9@alumni.caltech.edu> I can't debate the audibility of the particular case in point (not having had any experience with it), but I only agree that the "capstans are all that counts" (for a double capstan deck) in a perfect world. The isolation of the capstans isn't perfect--in an extreme case if the logic were bad and a reel moter decided to go into high speed but the capstans stayed in "play" mode, you'd probably notice at least a momentary something. It's also not just an issue of what the machine can "measure" (leaving aside the issue of how good the measurement itself is). The specs quoted either do or don't have a weighting function, and that weighting function may or may not emphasize certain problems, plus any person's ears may or may not emphasize the same (or different) things. Swapping the weighting statistics method has been a favourite technique of marketing types to make the "new" model look so much better than the old on the "same" spec. I'm not saying it's never justified; ideally the weighting is exactly the same as the ear (if we are talking about audio equipment. But that's not a single point either.-kby From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 19 23:40:38 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:40:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: "last" major issue In-Reply-To: <7BDC9FD1-801F-4DFF-B1E8-1B22260AB20D@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060619164038.00839100@earthlink.net> Take up torque may be a bit high. It creates the worst problem at the tape's beginning. tom brucker At 11:00 PM 6/17/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> I think this is the last thing that really needs to be addressed on   this 680zx (except perhaps fine tuning things). It seems to have an issue of crunching some tapes--mostly   TDK MA and espcially the 110 min. lengths.I think the back edge looks like it gets hit first, but I'm   not clear. Other tapes don't seem to show any damage at all. It also seems much more likely to happen (only seems to happen?)   during auto azimuth alignment. Anything obvious to look for? Already cleaned the heads & pinch rollers...-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 19 23:57:56 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:57:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak bx-300 In-Reply-To: <000c01c69340$37a83b80$390c163f@computer> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060619165756.00836cd0@earthlink.net> You might contact Dean about idler tire replacement. He has instructions. Weigh the gear motor conversion cost with the tire replacement cost, and you will pobably want the tire. tom brucker At 08:32 PM 6/18/06 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Hello All, I live in Massachusetts and am looking for a reputable company in the New England area to upgrade the motor of a Nak BX-300 deck which I just purchased on E-Bay.Does anyone have any recomendations of one?... Thanks, D.Perry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 20 00:01:16 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:01:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cam motor BX-300 & 150 In-Reply-To: <4496705D.1000900@optonline.net> References: <44945644.3080108@rcn.com> <4493F3EF.6040900@optonline.net> <44945644.3080108@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060619170116.00830970@earthlink.net> To "repair" the motor, I remove it from the bracket, and disconnect the wires (mark 'em) . I spray a short spray of DeOxit it one oval hole in the white end cap, and run the motor with an external power supply 9 volts for 1 minute. Reassemble. The cam is self aligning. I don't think you need any more grease on the cams, but a drop of oil here and there will not hurt. tom brucker At 05:37 AM 6/19/06 -0400, you wrote: >Motor has been cleaned - doesn't appear to need a rebuild > >What should I lubricate with - white grease all over the cams and >rotating parts? > >thanks > > > >Ron wrote: >> >> Either the switch blades do not make contact or the control >> motor doesn't drive the cam to its final correct position. >> >> The contacts should be clean and dry. The best way to clean >> them is to spray a drop of contact cleaner, then actuate >> them a few times. >> >> To test the control motor, try to help it along after it >> comes to rest. If it takes another couple of revolutions, >> it should lubricated, cleaned or rebuilt -- depending on >> the severity of its problem. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> mario wrote: >>> I wrote earlier in the week saying how ff, rew, rec, play do not >>> engage but the idler tire is new. I was told the problem was the cam >>> motor (or whatever they called it). That is what it is. There are >>> three contact in the upper right corner behind the cassette well >>> inside the machine that can be seen with the cover off. The contacts >>> rest over white plastic cams that have notches in them. Soon as I >>> take a screw driver and move the cam, everything engages and ff, rew, >>> play, rec work but after several activations of different feature >>> it's goes back to being locked up. >>> >>> Is there a way to adjust the rotation setting on the cams? Are they >>> supposed to be covered in grease or lubricant of some sort this is >>> why it's messing up? >>> >>> i.e. how to fix this/ >>> >>> thanks! >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jun 20 01:06:01 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:06:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 120 tapes Message-ID: <21F4CD8E-BFDD-4FE7-82D5-E6C2177AAAAB@alumni.caltech.edu> I generally agree on the 120s, especially for the time when that was written. As far as I know, no major manufacturer made their "premium" formulations in 120 minute lengths (e.g. I've never seen a Type IV 120, let alone any of the "premium" type IVs). That said, I have used them on occasion when quality was not the major issue. It also seems true that even C-90s have become thinner over the years so that I'm not convinced (although admittedly I don't have definitive evidence) that C-90s of the 1990s are the same thickness as those of the 1970s.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jun 20 01:08:48 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:08:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: "last" major issue Message-ID: > Take up torque may be a bit high. It creates the worst problem at the > tape's beginning. > Interesting. I don't remember that being adjustable--only the back tension. I'll have another look. Switching the pinch roller seems to have helped for now (supply side), but, as I mentioned, the old one actually looks better than the one I swapped in. It does appear the tape goes askew first on the supply side; it drifts to the rear and eventually runs into the guide.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Therefore C-120 cassettes are not recommended >for high-fidelity recording" > > >Regards >Paul >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au Tue Jun 20 09:43:14 2006 From: pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:43:14 +1000 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] 120 tapes Message-ID: <20060620074314.36493.qmail@web60723.mail.yahoo.com> Hello everyone, I have not written in a while - been ill. On the subject of 120 min tapes not being available in the premium range, I have a BASF type IV 120 min. It's a mid to early 80's vintage and the naks that I have got don't have a problem with it. Tom Siomopoulos. --------------------------------- On Yahoo!7 Socceroos Central: Latest news, schedule, blogs and videos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au Tue Jun 20 09:55:01 2006 From: pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:55:01 +1000 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: last issue Message-ID: <20060620075501.98870.qmail@web60713.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo. I too own a 680ZX and had exactly the same problem. When I bought the unit I had to remove the hardened grease on the left pinch roller shaft and I did not adjust the tape guide properly and you guessed it it started to crunch certain tdk MA tapes. So after some careful adjustments on the tape guide the deck is perfect and has not since crunched any tape. hope this helps Tom Siomopoulos. --------------------------------- The LOST Ninja blog: Exclusive clues, clips and gossip. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jun 20 12:20:08 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:20:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: C120 tapes Message-ID: <20060620102008.92499.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I have been reading comments on C120 tapes and I have just bought 10 Maxell UR C120's for use in my BX-300E. I feel safe doing that because over the last 20 years I have used these in about 4 or 5 different cassette decks, one of them an auto-reverse that was used for taping 4-hour radio shows. I've also played them in cars - even in California in July - and never had one stretch (with audible results) or break. I've only ever thrown one C120 away and that's just because I'd recorded it and played it too many times over the course of about 10 years - but it never broke. As for sensitivity, my old Aiwa AD-WX929 self-calibrates for that so I've never had a problem up to now. With the high-quality transport on my BX, I expect my new batch of tapes to last a long time and sound very good. Buy whatever tapes you can get - and enjoy 'em! Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 20 14:22:28 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:22:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 120 tapes In-Reply-To: <449712D8.3010404@caribsurf.com> References: <449712D8.3010404@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <4497E884.5060200@rcn.com> Paul Carrington wrote: > I have avoided using 120 tapes over the years because they are very thin > and are liable to stretch. Well, since you have not been using long tapes, you cannot really comment on whether they are liable to stretch or not. > Of course, I was not using a Nakamichi! > > However, Interestingly, the Nakamichi owners manual states : > "C-120 cassettes (playing time one hour per side) contain extremely thin > tape which breaks or snarls easily, is sometimes subject to stretching > and also is of low sensitivity. Therefore C-120 cassettes are not > recommended for high-fidelity recording" That's correct. However, manufacturer disclaimers are motivated by legal, rather than the engineering, considerations. Note that for the 582, the manual states C120 cassettes should not be use under *any* circumstances, while the CR-7 manual warns about using them for *high-fidelity* recordings. In fact, neither machine has had any problem with long cassettes. Note that C120 cassettes were meant to be used in any cheapo deck, not necessarily high end Naks, and were thus used all over the world, by the millions. For example, I own a tiny Sanyo portable player (no recording) that was used for PB of many, many C120 cassettes (recorded on a Nak) for years. Never a problem. It's true that a marginal deck that still plays C60 cassettes fine could run into problems with a C120. But this is not what we are talking about here, is it? -- Ron > > > Regards > Paul > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 20 14:27:49 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:27:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: "last" major issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4497E9C5.6060604@rcn.com> IIRC, take up torque is adjustable on all Nak decks I am familiar with. For some strange reason, Nakamichi calls the adjustment 'Reel motor speed'. -- Ron Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> Take up torque may be a bit high. It creates the worst problem at the >> tape's beginning. >> > > Interesting. I don't remember that being adjustable--only the back > tension. I'll have another > look. Switching the pinch roller seems to have helped for now (supply > side), but, as I mentioned, > the old one actually looks better than the one I swapped in. > > It does appear the tape goes askew first on the supply side; it drifts > to the rear and eventually > runs into the guide.-kby From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 17:05:06 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: last issue In-Reply-To: <20060620075501.98870.qmail@web60713.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060620150506.84200.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes most probably - the tape guide misalignment causes Tape crunch and sometimes complete tape destruction. Alos sometimes check back tension - if the tape is not held back while in play - the tape gets caught between tape guid edge and pinch rollar. Kannan Tom Siomopoulos wrote: Hi Kimo. I too own a 680ZX and had exactly the same problem. When I bought the unit I had to remove the hardened grease on the left pinch roller shaft and I did not adjust the tape guide properly and you guessed it it started to crunch certain tdk MA tapes. So after some careful adjustments on the tape guide the deck is perfect and has not since crunched any tape. hope this helps Tom Siomopoulos. --------------------------------- The LOST Ninja blog: Exclusive clues, clips and gossip. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 20 16:41:10 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:41:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX series & MR's ~ Gear upgrade ? In-Reply-To: <7C156591-78CD-465C-B017-0EF3D693D9C9@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060620094110.008365f0@earthlink.net> Kimo, You know way too much. Were gonna hafta k**** I guess in this day and age you can't even pretend to make threats on the internet. You are 100% correct with your analysis. tom brucker At 02:26 PM 6/19/06 -0700, you wrote: >I can't debate the audibility of the particular case in point (not >having had any experience with it), but I only agree that >the "capstans are all that counts" (for a double capstan deck) in a >perfect world. The isolation of the capstans isn't >perfect--in an extreme case if the logic were bad and a reel moter >decided to go into high speed but the capstans stayed >in "play" mode, you'd probably notice at least a momentary something. > >It's also not just an issue of what the machine can >"measure" (leaving aside the issue of how good the measurement itself >is). >The specs quoted either do or don't have a weighting function, and >that weighting function may or may not emphasize certain problems, >plus any person's ears may or may not emphasize the same (or >different) things. > >Swapping the weighting statistics method has been a favourite >technique of marketing types to make the "new" model look so much >better than >the old on the "same" spec. I'm not saying it's never justified; >ideally the weighting is exactly the same as the ear (if we are >talking about >audio equipment. But that's not a single point either.-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 20 17:08:03 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:08:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: "last" major issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060620100803.00837d90@earthlink.net> Take up torque is not adjustable, but it is the first thing I would check. If you suspect the pinch rollers, remove them and hold a straight edge against the roller and backlight. If the gap is not straight, then the roller is worn. A straight roller would lead to head tilt problems, or guide height problems, requiring gauges to correct. tom brucker At 04:08 PM 6/19/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Take up torque may be a bit high. It creates the worst problem at the tape's beginning. Interesting. I don't remember that being adjustable--only the back tension. I'll have another look. Switching the pinch roller seems to have helped for now (supply side), but, as I mentioned, the old one actually looks better than the one I swapped in. It does appear the tape goes askew first on the supply side; it drifts to the rear and eventually runs into the guide.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From N4229K at aol.com Tue Jun 20 19:35:57 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:35:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] C120 Tapes Message-ID: <513.a700a1.31c98bfd@aol.com> Hi Paul: I agree with you fully even though I don't have many 120s. I also have 2 Aiwa 6900II decks one working the other needs belts etc but is in perfect condition otherwise. I'm still not in my new house but looks good for mid July (I hope). I have not really gotten into it with PRB or further pursued the clear RX cover as have been extremely busy with my businesses. So everyone else I promised tires belts etc I will get to it as soon as I can. I know there was some talk about XKE Jags and took some pics for who ever on NAKTalk was discussing these cars. My friend owns a Jag repair/refurbishing shop where this car was. I'll send to Chris under separate cover. Take Care, Dean I have been reading comments on C120 tapes and I have just bought 10 Maxell UR C120's for use in my BX-300E. I feel safe doing that because over the last 20 years I have used these in about 4 or 5 different cassette decks, one of them an auto-reverse that was used for taping 4-hour radio shows. I've also played them in cars - even in California in July - and never had one stretch (with audible results) or break. I've only ever thrown one C120 away and that's just because I'd recorded it and played it too many times over the course of about 10 years - but it never broke. As for sensitivity, my old Aiwa AD-WX929 self-calibrates for that so I've never had a problem up to now. With the high-quality transport on my BX, I expect my new batch of tapes to last a long time and sound very good. Buy whatever tapes you can get - and enjoy 'em! Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nightraider101 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 21:40:28 2006 From: nightraider101 at yahoo.com (blah blah) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) Message-ID: <20060620194028.57827.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy for the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a guys selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called the guy and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He said everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 of 4 knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an aluminum knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got little use, so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I don't think so. He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an hour, and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost to service, and for the gear update kit? heartfelt thanks in advance. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 23:13:40 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) In-Reply-To: <20060620194028.57827.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060620211340.22819.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gear drive mod would be expensive due to the kit itself costs over 130$ if available from Nak parts. But idler tire replacement if carefully done - nice very economical alternative. However if th eserial number is less than say 9000 ( forget first three numbers after A 801- the later part is the serial number) then it has a chance of rec equalization correction from the factory. This would cost 140$ upwards if you get it done by service tech. ( unless Tom tells it differently). Th eknobs cannot be got from another deck . Forgetting the cosmetics if it does not have cam mode motor problem - that is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head alignment etc) 300 $ is not a bad deal. However be prepared to spend some money or effort or both for machine like this Atleast the serial number is above 9000 , it is a very good deal because it has gear drive and rec equi mod already done Good luck kannan blah blah wrote: Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy for the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a guys selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called the guy and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He said everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 of 4 knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an aluminum knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got little use, so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I don't think so. He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an hour, and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost to service, and for the gear update kit? heartfelt thanks in advance. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 22:38:02 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:38:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) In-Reply-To: <20060620194028.57827.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060620194028.57827.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110606201338l21dff516oba22fc5ab30693ac@mail.gmail.com> Turn it on and check that lights work, run a blank tape to check for transport noise and to verify that ffwd and rewind work. There are other tests you can do that others will likely bring up. I'd buy it if there was cosmetic damage to it but it still worked, but I would not pay more than $200 for it in this condition. Of course that's just me, value is more perceived than inherent. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nightraider101 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 23:31:50 2006 From: nightraider101 at yahoo.com (blah blah) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) In-Reply-To: <20060620211340.22819.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060620213150.98510.qmail@web54005.mail.yahoo.com> "if it does not have cam mode motor problem - that is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head alignment etc)" how do I test for these problems, cam mode motor, and head alignment? I saw that there's a method to test idler wear, which I will do. "signs of idler wear. This is identifiable as chatter at the end of a rewinding. The tape stops but a strange noise comes from behind the cassette well." kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Gear drive mod would be expensive due to the kit itself costs over 130$ if available from Nak parts. But idler tire replacement if carefully done - nice very economical alternative. However if th eserial number is less than say 9000 ( forget first three numbers after A 801- the later part is the serial number) then it has a chance of rec equalization correction from the factory. This would cost 140$ upwards if you get it done by service tech. ( unless Tom tells it differently). Th eknobs cannot be got from another deck . Forgetting the cosmetics if it does not have cam mode motor problem - that is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head alignment etc) 300 $ is not a bad deal. However be prepared to spend some money or effort or both for machine like this Atleast the serial number is above 9000 , it is a very good deal because it has gear drive and rec equi mod already done Good luck kannan blah blah wrote: Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy for the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a guys selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called the guy and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He said everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 of 4 knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an aluminum knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got little use, so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I don't think so. He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an hour, and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost to service, and for the gear update kit? heartfelt thanks in advance. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 21 00:16:47 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:16:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) In-Reply-To: <20060620211340.22819.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060620194028.57827.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060620171647.00830110@earthlink.net> Kannan and all NakTalkers, Being an oldster, I had to look at my CR7 manuals to read about the eq modification that Kannan has described. This modification was in response to the TDK SA-X and Maxell UD-XL2-S type tapes. ONLY if these tape formulations were used for recording is the modification needed. If you use UD-XL2, or SA, then you do not need to modify. As far as the conversion cost, it looks like $105 or so. I do not have access to the reel motor parts, and I guess I'm politically against the modification, so I can't quote a price for that. The CR7 looks like it does it all. Blah blah, remember the remote control. tom brucker At 02:13 PM 6/20/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Gear drive mod would be expensive due to the kit itself costs over 130$ if available from Nak parts. But idler tire replacement if carefully done - nice very economical alternative. However if th eserial number is less than say 9000 ( forget first three numbers after A 801- the later part is the serial number) then it has a chance of rec equalization correction from the factory. This would cost 140$ upwards if you get it done by service tech. ( unless Tom tells it differently). Th eknobs cannot be got from another deck . Forgetting the cosmetics if it does not have cam mode motor problem - that is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head alignment etc) 300 $ is not a bad deal. However be prepared to spend some money or effort or both for machine like this Atleast the serial number is above 9000 , it is a very good deal because it has gear drive and rec equi mod already done Good luck kannan blah blah wrote: Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy for the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a guys selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called the guy and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He said everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 of 4 knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an aluminum knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got little use, so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I don't think so. He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an hour, and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost to service, and for the gear update kit? heartfelt thanks in advance. ---------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== === Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== === Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 00:37:41 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060620171647.00830110@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060620223741.55079.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is a service note which describes the procedure. It is done on all type of tape rec equalization circuit parts. Nakamichi escapes the responsibilit saying some tapes formulation is to blame. But persons seen the record( auto calibrated) functions can vouch , it is a must to get the best of CR 7. I have had a CR 7 and Ron can vouch for it as without this mod, the recording is dull with almost all tapes ( you can immediately note the improvement after this modification). In the case of Ron' CR 7, he sent it to Stephen Sank to calibrate its DA/AD converter for auto calibration function. However when I modified my CR 7 ( that went to Graham at UK) it did need any calibration, it worked beautifully. Generally the parts would be less than 25 $ but labor is the only cost. I would always prefer a CR 7 with serial number above 9000 simply to avoid both the head aches - changing idler tire and rec equalization mod. You can search Naktalk Archives for Stephen' posting on this Kannan Hi Tech wrote: Kannan and all NakTalkers, Being an oldster, I had to look at my CR7 manuals to read about the eq modification that Kannan has described. This modification was in response to the TDK SA-X and Maxell UD-XL2-S type tapes. ONLY if these tape formulations were used for recording is the modification needed. If you use UD-XL2, or SA, then you do not need to modify. As far as the conversion cost, it looks like $105 or so. I do not have access to the reel motor parts, and I guess I'm politically against the modification, so I can't quote a price for that. The CR7 looks like it does it all. Blah blah, remember the remote control. tom brucker At 02:13 PM 6/20/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Gear drive mod would be expensive due to the kit itself costs over 130$ if available from Nak parts. But idler tire replacement if carefully done - nice very economical alternative. However if th eserial number is less than say 9000 ( forget first three numbers after A 801- the later part is the serial number) then it has a chance of rec equalization correction from the factory. This would cost 140$ upwards if you get it done by service tech. ( unless Tom tells it differently). Th eknobs cannot be got from another deck . Forgetting the cosmetics if it does not have cam mode motor problem - that is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head alignment etc) 300 $ is not a bad deal. However be prepared to spend some money or effort or both for machine like this Atleast the serial number is above 9000 , it is a very good deal because it has gear drive and rec equi mod already done Good luck kannan blah blah wrote: Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy for the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a guys selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called the guy and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He said everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 of 4 knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an aluminum knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got little use, so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I don't think so. He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an hour, and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost to service, and for the gear update kit? heartfelt thanks in advance. ---------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the aisers>all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== === Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the aisers> all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== === Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nightraider101 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 02:30:19 2006 From: nightraider101 at yahoo.com (blah blah) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110606201338l21dff516oba22fc5ab30693ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060621003019.76047.qmail@web54005.mail.yahoo.com> thanks is there a website with some tests. Tim Skorick wrote: Turn it on and check that lights work, run a blank tape to check for transport noise and to verify that ffwd and rewind work. There are other tests you can do that others will likely bring up. I'd buy it if there was cosmetic damage to it but it still worked, but I would not pay more than $200 for it in this condition. Of course that's just me, value is more perceived than inherent. -Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jun 21 07:02:44 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:02:44 -0700 Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?[naktalk]_680ZX:_And_the_winner_is=85=28sort_of?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=29?= Message-ID: Kannan! > Alos sometimes check back tension - if the tape is not held back > while in play - the tape gets caught between tape guid edge and > pinch rollar. I checked the back tension in play mode by just feeling the supply reel, and its...zero! Which I suppose qualifies for inadequate. Except there's on a note in the service manual that the back tension adjustment is only required for serial #s greater than A11606264. This one is A11601xxx, and as predicted, it doesn't have the adjuster. Kannan wins by historical record though; this is presumably an early incarnation of the final belt-driven classic design (I know the 700II has much larger flywheels and such) and presumably it was decided later on that the back tension was necessary.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jun 21 08:43:21 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:43:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 120 tapes Message-ID: <987AF693-89C7-4A1C-8221-B37432EC03A1@alumni.caltech.edu> > On the subject of 120 min tapes not being available in the premium > range, I have a BASF type IV 120 min. Interesting. BASF, while available in the US wasn't the most popular by the late '70s when I did most of my looking; most of the ones I saw were of the lower grades (even though I know they had the original CrO2s). Maybe I can scrounge some on the 'bay...-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Jun 21 11:27:09 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:27:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) References: <20060621003019.76047.qmail@web54005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00dd01c69514$df7d8e70$b207010a@hurtignok> If you think of Nak reviews, there is an nice russian site at http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/review.htm#tapes But be prepared - it is VERY slow to download the files (They have a high-speed mirror site but it does not work) Besides that you'll need a plugin from LizardTech to show the files. BUT it is worth it. Good luck. Best Regards - Per ----- Original Message ----- From: blah blah To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) thanks is there a website with some tests. From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 21 13:29:08 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:29:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060620171647.00830110@earthlink.net> References: <20060620194028.57827.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060620171647.00830110@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44992D84.5070705@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > Kannan and all NakTalkers, > Being an oldster, I had to look at my CR7 manuals to read about the eq > modification that Kannan has described. This modification was in response > to the TDK SA-X and Maxell UD-XL2-S type tapes. ONLY if these tape > formulations were used for recording is the modification needed. Tom, this is a new one on me and I thought I've read all there was to read on this subject... Would you mind telling me the source of this information? Thanks in advance, -- Ron > If you use > UD-XL2, or SA, then you do not need to modify. As far as the conversion > cost, it looks like $105 or so. I do not have access to the reel motor > parts, and I guess I'm politically against the modification, so I can't > quote a price for that. The CR7 looks like it does it all. Blah blah, > remember the remote control. > > tom brucker > > At 02:13 PM 6/20/06 -0700, you wrote: > Gear drive mod would be expensive due to the kit itself costs over 130$ if > available from Nak parts. But idler tire replacement if carefully done - > nice very economical alternative. However if th eserial number is less than > say 9000 ( forget first three numbers after A 801- the later part is the > serial number) > then it has a chance of rec equalization correction from the factory. This > would cost 140$ upwards if you get it done by service tech. ( unless Tom > tells it differently). Th eknobs cannot be got from another deck . > Forgetting the cosmetics if it does not have cam mode motor problem - that > is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head alignment > etc) 300 $ is not a bad deal. However be prepared to spend some money or > effort or both for machine like this > Atleast the serial number is above 9000 , it is a very good deal because > it has gear drive and rec equi mod already done > Good luck > > kannan > > blah blah wrote: > Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy for > the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a guys > selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. > > I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called the guy > and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He said > everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 of 4 > knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an aluminum > knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got little use, > so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I don't > think so. > > He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an hour, > and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to > minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost to > service, and for the gear update kit? > > heartfelt thanks in advance. > > > ---------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the > aisers>all-new Yahoo! Mail > Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== > === > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ---------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the > aisers> all-new Yahoo! Mail > Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== > === > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 21 13:37:53 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:37:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 120 tapes In-Reply-To: <987AF693-89C7-4A1C-8221-B37432EC03A1@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <987AF693-89C7-4A1C-8221-B37432EC03A1@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <44992F91.9090105@rcn.com> I have a bunch of Scotch Chrome (Type II) C-120 cassettes that after 30 years still sound pretty good. I also have a bunch of TDK MA C-100 and C-110 cassettes that are sonically indistinguishable from the corresponding C-90. -- Ron Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> On the subject of 120 min tapes not being available in the premium >> range, I have a BASF type IV 120 min. > > Interesting. BASF, while available in the US wasn't the most popular by > the late '70s when I did most of my looking; most of the ones I saw were > of the lower grades (even though > I know they had the original CrO2s). Maybe I can scrounge some on the > 'bay...-kby > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jun 21 14:28:00 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:28:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) Message-ID: Ron & Tom! What happen with a Dragon? it's also necessary...or exist something like that? Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy >(Newbie) >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:29:08 -0400 > >Hi Tech wrote: >>Kannan and all NakTalkers, >> Being an oldster, I had to look at my CR7 manuals to read about the >>eq >>modification that Kannan has described. This modification was in response >>to the TDK SA-X and Maxell UD-XL2-S type tapes. ONLY if these tape >>formulations were used for recording is the modification needed. > >Tom, this is a new one on me and I thought I've read >all there was to read on this subject... Would you >mind telling me the source of this information? > >Thanks in advance, > >-- Ron > > > > > >>If you use >>UD-XL2, or SA, then you do not need to modify. As far as the conversion >>cost, it looks like $105 or so. I do not have access to the reel motor >>parts, and I guess I'm politically against the modification, so I can't >>quote a price for that. The CR7 looks like it does it all. Blah blah, >>remember the remote control. >> >>tom brucker >> >>At 02:13 PM 6/20/06 -0700, you wrote: Gear drive mod would be expensive >>due to the kit itself costs over 130$ if >>available from Nak parts. But idler tire replacement if carefully done - >>nice very economical alternative. However if th eserial number is less >>than >>say 9000 ( forget first three numbers after A 801- the later part is the >>serial number) >>then it has a chance of rec equalization correction from the factory. This >>would cost 140$ upwards if you get it done by service tech. ( unless Tom >>tells it differently). Th eknobs cannot be got from another deck . >>Forgetting the cosmetics if it does not have cam mode motor problem - >>that >>is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head >>alignment >>etc) 300 $ is not a bad deal. However be prepared to spend some money or >>effort or both for machine like this >> Atleast the serial number is above 9000 , it is a very good deal because >>it has gear drive and rec equi mod already done >> Good luck >> kannan >> blah blah wrote: >> Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy for >>the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a guys >>selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. >> >>I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called the guy >>and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He said >>everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 of 4 >>knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an aluminum >>knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got little >>use, >>so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I >>don't >>think so. >> >>He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an hour, >>and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to >>minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost to >>service, and for the gear update kit? >> >>heartfelt thanks in advance. >> >> ---------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >>Everyone is raving about the >>>aisers>all-new Yahoo! Mail >>Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>=== >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ---------- >>Do you Yahoo!? >> Everyone is raving about the >>>aisers> all-new Yahoo! Mail >>Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>=== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >><<<< >> >> >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------===== From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 21 17:20:26 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:20:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]CR-7 EQ opinions In-Reply-To: <44992D84.5070705@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060620171647.00830110@earthlink.net> <20060620194028.57827.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060620171647.00830110@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060621102026.0083a100@earthlink.net> Nakamichi printed a bulletin with the modification and spent a few paragraphs describing the rationale. SA-X added a tiny peak in the high end, and the tape was designed to "sound better" usingTDK- SA bias and level points. One could always readjust a deck for SA-X and return to flat response, but that would negate the "trick" effect intended by TDK. The problem is that an auto bias and level circuit is engineered to yield flat response only for the tape formulations specified...and for Nakamichi this was Nak SX tape, which was TDK -SA. Owners would complain that the SA-X sounded worse after running the auto-bias and level, not better as TDK promised. The EQ modifications were a patch, to use modern computing language, to flatten the record eq and compromise a bit so that both SA and SA-X would calibrate properly. Nakamichi doesn't state all this in the bulletin, so my source includes my own experience with SA, SA-X , and Nakamichis. I always felt SA-X was a bad thing, because Dolby C tracking requires that R/P calibration be spot on. When aligning decks I use multiple frequencies and check for flatness in the hi end, not just resopnse at one frequency, and check response with Dolby on. All auto adjust circuits, and manual adjust circuit fall short at some point. The finest example are strange tape formulations, like Agfa or real CrO2 tape, that simply cannot give flat R/P response on a Nakamichi. tom brucker At 07:29 AM 6/21/06 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Tech wrote: >> Kannan and all NakTalkers, >> Being an oldster, I had to look at my CR7 manuals to read about the eq >> modification that Kannan has described. This modification was in response >> to the TDK SA-X and Maxell UD-XL2-S type tapes. ONLY if these tape >> formulations were used for recording is the modification needed. > >Tom, this is a new one on me and I thought I've read >all there was to read on this subject... Would you >mind telling me the source of this information? > >Thanks in advance, > >-- Ron > > > > > >> If you use >> UD-XL2, or SA, then you do not need to modify. As far as the conversion >> cost, it looks like $105 or so. I do not have access to the reel motor >> parts, and I guess I'm politically against the modification, so I can't >> quote a price for that. The CR7 looks like it does it all. Blah blah, >> remember the remote control. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 02:13 PM 6/20/06 -0700, you wrote: >> Gear drive mod would be expensive due to the kit itself costs over 130$ if >> available from Nak parts. But idler tire replacement if carefully done - >> nice very economical alternative. However if th eserial number is less than >> say 9000 ( forget first three numbers after A 801- the later part is the >> serial number) >> then it has a chance of rec equalization correction from the factory. This >> would cost 140$ upwards if you get it done by service tech. ( unless Tom >> tells it differently). Th eknobs cannot be got from another deck . >> Forgetting the cosmetics if it does not have cam mode motor problem - that >> is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head alignment >> etc) 300 $ is not a bad deal. However be prepared to spend some money or >> effort or both for machine like this >> Atleast the serial number is above 9000 , it is a very good deal because >> it has gear drive and rec equi mod already done >> Good luck >> >> kannan >> >> blah blah wrote: >> Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy for >> the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a guys >> selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. >> >> I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called the guy >> and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He said >> everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 of 4 >> knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an aluminum >> knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got little use, >> so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I don't >> think so. >> >> He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an hour, >> and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to >> minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost to >> service, and for the gear update kit? >> >> heartfelt thanks in advance. >> >> >> ---------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Everyone is raving about the >> > aisers>all-new Yahoo! Mail >> Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ---------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Everyone is raving about the >> > aisers> all-new Yahoo! Mail >> Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 18:15:47 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]CR-7 EQ opinions In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060621102026.0083a100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060621161547.6873.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought I would post this from Naktalk archives for the sake of CR 7 mod questions Kannan - next mail I am posting Ron's old post about this mod The Following is from Stephen Sank -------------------------------------- Easiest way to recognise an EQ mod'd CR-7 is to hinge up the two boards that obscure the bottom board, look toward the back for the EQ section & locate R122/R222. A mod'd unit should have a rather large 0.33ufd film cap with two small resistors attached, in place of the single R122/222 resistor. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company -----Original Message----- >Stephen Sank wrote: >> >> I've posted this previously on Naktalk. The CR-7's produced before serial >> no. A130-08677, a number I have right in the top of my head, sounded rolled >> off at the very top end on tapes it auto-cal'd & recorded. Something I >> noticed shortly after selling the first two or three. This was due to >> mistakes made in the design of the rec eq & rec amp circuits. At this >> serial number, production was corrected & a modification bulletin was >> issued. Also, units before around serial number A130-09400 also had the >> infamously unreliable rubber tire based reel drive mechanism, and require >> the "gear drive upgrade". On units that need both mod's, I charge $325, >> including complete maintenance & calibration. The rec EQ mod alone, $225 >> incl. maint/calibr. & the gear drive upgrade alone, $175 incl. >> maint/calibration. Obviously, well within the range of keeping you deck & >> getting the needed work done. I've only recently had time to finally do the >> mods on my own CR-7, even though I've been doing other people's units for >> something like ten years. I warranty such mod work for one year. I have no >> idea what other facilities charge for the eq mod, nor how many of them are >> even aware of it. When I moved to my own shop four years ago & called Nak >> in California to get a new copy of the mod procedure, the tech there had no >> idea what I was talking about, until he went digging for it. >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company Hi Tech wrote: Nakamichi printed a bulletin with the modification and spent a few paragraphs describing the rationale. SA-X added a tiny peak in the high end, and the tape was designed to "sound better" usingTDK- SA bias and level points. One could always readjust a deck for SA-X and return to flat response, but that would negate the "trick" effect intended by TDK. The problem is that an auto bias and level circuit is engineered to yield flat response only for the tape formulations specified...and for Nakamichi this was Nak SX tape, which was TDK -SA. Owners would complain that the SA-X sounded worse after running the auto-bias and level, not better as TDK promised. The EQ modifications were a patch, to use modern computing language, to flatten the record eq and compromise a bit so that both SA and SA-X would calibrate properly. Nakamichi doesn't state all this in the bulletin, so my source includes my own experience with SA, SA-X , and Nakamichis. I always felt SA-X was a bad thing, because Dolby C tracking requires that R/P calibration be spot on. When aligning decks I use multiple frequencies and check for flatness in the hi end, not just resopnse at one frequency, and check response with Dolby on. All auto adjust circuits, and manual adjust circuit fall short at some point. The finest example are strange tape formulations, like Agfa or real CrO2 tape, that simply cannot give flat R/P response on a Nakamichi. tom brucker --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 19:15:13 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]CR-7 EQ opinions In-Reply-To: <20060621161547.6873.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060621171513.36134.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Again this posting is from Ron year 2000 ! regarding CR 7 modification. Kannan --------------------------------------- Ron raah at concentric.net Sat Oct 28 00:22:41 CEST 2000 Previous message: [naktalk] That Ol' Virus Blues .... Got to be a song in there... Next message: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] --------------------------------- As mentioned in this list some time ago, I have a CR-7a that came with the gear modification, but not the record equalization upgrade. The latter is supposed to improve high frequency response. I never felt the deck was lacking in high frequency response, but thought, what the hell, let's do it... I called Nakamichi in Torrance, CA to ask for the service bulletin. It took quite a few days before I got to talk to their Customer Service, because their procedure requires the caller to leave a VM message, which they, in turn, simply ignore. I kept calling and leaving messages, each in an increasing volume and irritation level, until one fine day their Customer Service guy actually did return the call. When I asked for the service bulletin, he gave me a cock and bull story about the modification simply equating the CR-7 to MR-1 standards, so that it better matches industry standard equalization, but the CR-7, by itself, does not require it. He summarily denied that the modification had been incorporated into all CR-7s after S/N A130-08677. As to the service bulletin, he emphatically refused to let me have a copy. I explained that I was both a CR-7a owner, as well as a service provider -- that didn't impress him one bit... I followed up with their Service Manager, with similar results. Nakamichi does not feel that their customers deserve any support or information, except through authorized dealers, that will, of course, charge handsomely for it ... I eventually obtained a copy of the service bulletin, to discover that the gentlemen from Nakamichi were lie... er... incorrect. The bulletin offers another cock and bull story, explaining it corrects for tapes that deviate from Nakamichi's standard tapes. Bottom line: it *has* been incorporated in all CR-7s since S/N A130-08677. So, last weekend I finally installed the upgrade in my CR-7a. I was careful not to disturb the internal adjustments; these will have to be done later. I then reconnected the deck and did some listening tests. I am very surprised at the results... Here they are. First, PB of previously recorded tapes is identical, to my ears, to what it was before. That's not surprising, since the upgrade affects only the recording equalization circuits. Second, unexpectedly, on newly recorded tapes, bass is improved -- both in extension and volume. It is not excessive or boomy in any way, just tighter and very pleasantly improved. Lower strings (contrabass) and timpani now come across as almost tangible sounds. Wonderful! I wonder if this will be retained after the deck is calibrated properly... Third (and this is the most baffling phenomenon), I do not perceive extension of the higher frequencies, but clearly hear improvement in highs quality. The highs are silky smooth -- smoother than before -- and airy. I couldn't believe my ears, there is no reason for lower treble distortion. The differences are not night-and-day, but still, inescapable. Based on all this, I would recommend this upgrade to older CR-7 owners. This has been longer than anticipated... Thanks to anyone that's still with me... Have a good night, -- Ron --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 21 20:39:08 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:39:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4499924C.3040602@rcn.com> No, Alex, this does not apply to the Dragon. This mod is specific to the CR-7, to correct a design error. -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Ron & Tom! > > What happen with a Dragon? it's also necessary...or exist something like > that? > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > >> From: Ron >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy >> (Newbie) >> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:29:08 -0400 >> >> Hi Tech wrote: >>> Kannan and all NakTalkers, >>> Being an oldster, I had to look at my CR7 manuals to read about >>> the eq >>> modification that Kannan has described. This modification was in >>> response >>> to the TDK SA-X and Maxell UD-XL2-S type tapes. ONLY if these tape >>> formulations were used for recording is the modification needed. >> >> Tom, this is a new one on me and I thought I've read >> all there was to read on this subject... Would you >> mind telling me the source of this information? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >>> If you use >>> UD-XL2, or SA, then you do not need to modify. As far as the conversion >>> cost, it looks like $105 or so. I do not have access to the reel motor >>> parts, and I guess I'm politically against the modification, so I can't >>> quote a price for that. The CR7 looks like it does it all. Blah blah, >>> remember the remote control. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> At 02:13 PM 6/20/06 -0700, you wrote: Gear drive mod would be >>> expensive due to the kit itself costs over 130$ if >>> available from Nak parts. But idler tire replacement if carefully done - >>> nice very economical alternative. However if th eserial number is >>> less than >>> say 9000 ( forget first three numbers after A 801- the later part is the >>> serial number) >>> then it has a chance of rec equalization correction from the factory. >>> This >>> would cost 140$ upwards if you get it done by service tech. ( unless Tom >>> tells it differently). Th eknobs cannot be got from another deck . >>> Forgetting the cosmetics if it does not have cam mode motor problem >>> - that >>> is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head >>> alignment >>> etc) 300 $ is not a bad deal. However be prepared to spend some money or >>> effort or both for machine like this >>> Atleast the serial number is above 9000 , it is a very good deal >>> because >>> it has gear drive and rec equi mod already done >>> Good luck >>> kannan >>> blah blah wrote: >>> Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy for >>> the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a guys >>> selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. >>> >>> I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called >>> the guy >>> and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He said >>> everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 >>> of 4 >>> knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an aluminum >>> knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got >>> little use, >>> so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I >>> don't >>> think so. >>> >>> He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an >>> hour, >>> and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to >>> minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost to >>> service, and for the gear update kit? >>> >>> heartfelt thanks in advance. >>> >>> ---------- >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Everyone is raving about the >>> >> >>> aisers>all-new Yahoo! Mail >>> Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>> >>> === >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Everyone is raving about the >>> >> >>> aisers> all-new Yahoo! Mail >>> Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>> >>> === Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> <<<< >>> >>> >>> Tom Brucker CSM >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 21 21:03:08 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:03:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]CR-7 EQ opinions In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060621102026.0083a100@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060620171647.00830110@earthlink.net> <20060620194028.57827.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060620171647.00830110@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060621102026.0083a100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <449997EC.7050103@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > Nakamichi printed a bulletin with the modification and spent a few > paragraphs describing the rationale. Ah, I follow you now. You must mean, the CR-7 bulletin titled 'Modification of Record Eq. Amp Circuit' dated 22 May, 1987? I just pulled it and they didn't mention the SA or SA-X tapes, which is what threw me off in your post. They just talk about 'some cassette tapes that have frequency response raised in the high frequency range'. On my copy of the bulletin, someone very well known to all old timers here added: "Load of crap"... 'Nough said. -- Ron SA-X added a tiny peak in the high > end, and the tape was designed to "sound better" usingTDK- SA bias and > level points. One could always readjust a deck for SA-X and return to flat > response, but that would negate the "trick" effect intended by TDK. > The problem is that an auto bias and level circuit is engineered to > yield flat response only for the tape formulations specified...and for > Nakamichi this was Nak SX tape, which was TDK -SA. Owners would complain > that the SA-X sounded worse after running the auto-bias and level, not > better as TDK promised. The EQ modifications were a patch, to use modern > computing language, to flatten the record eq and compromise a bit so that > both SA and SA-X would calibrate properly. > Nakamichi doesn't state all this in the bulletin, so my source > includes my own experience with SA, SA-X , and Nakamichis. I always felt > SA-X was a bad thing, because Dolby C tracking requires that R/P > calibration be spot on. When aligning decks I use multiple frequencies and > check for flatness in the hi end, not just resopnse at one frequency, and > check response with Dolby on. All auto adjust circuits, and manual adjust > circuit fall short at some point. The finest example are strange tape > formulations, like Agfa or real CrO2 tape, that simply cannot give flat R/P > response on a Nakamichi. > > tom brucker > > At 07:29 AM 6/21/06 -0400, you wrote: >> Hi Tech wrote: >>> Kannan and all NakTalkers, >>> Being an oldster, I had to look at my CR7 manuals to read about the eq >>> modification that Kannan has described. This modification was in response >>> to the TDK SA-X and Maxell UD-XL2-S type tapes. ONLY if these tape >>> formulations were used for recording is the modification needed. >> Tom, this is a new one on me and I thought I've read >> all there was to read on this subject... Would you >> mind telling me the source of this information? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >>> If you use >>> UD-XL2, or SA, then you do not need to modify. As far as the conversion >>> cost, it looks like $105 or so. I do not have access to the reel motor >>> parts, and I guess I'm politically against the modification, so I can't >>> quote a price for that. The CR7 looks like it does it all. Blah blah, >>> remember the remote control. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> At 02:13 PM 6/20/06 -0700, you wrote: >>> Gear drive mod would be expensive due to the kit itself costs over 130$ if >>> available from Nak parts. But idler tire replacement if carefully done - >>> nice very economical alternative. However if th eserial number is less than >>> say 9000 ( forget first three numbers after A 801- the later part is the >>> serial number) >>> then it has a chance of rec equalization correction from the factory. This >>> would cost 140$ upwards if you get it done by service tech. ( unless Tom >>> tells it differently). Th eknobs cannot be got from another deck . >>> Forgetting the cosmetics if it does not have cam mode motor problem - that >>> is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head alignment >>> etc) 300 $ is not a bad deal. However be prepared to spend some money or >>> effort or both for machine like this >>> Atleast the serial number is above 9000 , it is a very good deal because >>> it has gear drive and rec equi mod already done >>> Good luck >>> >>> kannan >>> >>> blah blah wrote: >>> Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy for >>> the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a guys >>> selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. >>> >>> I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called the guy >>> and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He said >>> everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 of 4 >>> knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an aluminum >>> knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got little use, >>> so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I don't >>> think so. >>> >>> He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an hour, >>> and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to >>> minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost to >>> service, and for the gear update kit? >>> >>> heartfelt thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Everyone is raving about the >>> > >> aisers>all-new Yahoo! Mail >>> > Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>> === >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Everyone is raving about the >>> > >> aisers> all-new Yahoo! Mail >>> > Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>> === >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> <<<< >>> >>> >>> Tom Brucker CSM >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From fredmoss at libello.com Wed Jun 21 21:14:00 2006 From: fredmoss at libello.com (fredmoss at libello.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:14:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Dying Dragon Message-ID: <1605.81.151.90.199.1150917240.squirrel@webmail.libello.com> My Dragon stopped functioning whilst playing yesterday, it slowed and started to malfunction in reverse then slowed to a stop, neither capstan will turn any Longer. Are there any tech guys left in the uk who could fix this deck?? Fred From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 21 23:36:58 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:36:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dying Dragon In-Reply-To: <1605.81.151.90.199.1150917240.squirrel@webmail.libello.com> Message-ID: Fred I'd have thought B&W would be able to handle it. It's only the very old decks they won't/can't touch, like the ZXL's. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of fredmoss at libello.com Sent: 21 June 2006 20:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dying Dragon My Dragon stopped functioning whilst playing yesterday, it slowed and started to malfunction in reverse then slowed to a stop, neither capstan will turn any Longer. Are there any tech guys left in the uk who could fix this deck?? Fred From 5jacamo2 at msn.com Thu Jun 22 01:59:25 2006 From: 5jacamo2 at msn.com (Jim Alfano) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:59:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon turntable Message-ID: What would be a fair asking price for an new in the box dragon turntable? I have no idea other than it's uncommon to find one as new. Thanks Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jun 22 03:53:18 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:53:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dying Dragon Message-ID: <24518953.1150941198991.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Fred, Here ya go! I recall reading positive experiences from several people on this board. http://www.classic-nakamichi.com/about%20us/home.htm ---- fredmoss at libello.com wrote: > My Dragon stopped functioning whilst playing yesterday, it slowed and > started to malfunction in reverse then slowed to a stop, neither capstan > will turn any > Longer. Are there any tech guys left in the uk who could fix this deck?? > Fred > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jun 22 07:34:11 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:34:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) In-Reply-To: <4499924C.3040602@rcn.com> Message-ID: Thank's a lot...Ron! ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:39:08 -0400 > > >No, Alex, this does not apply to the Dragon. This mod is >specific to the CR-7, to correct a design error. > >-- Ron > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Ron & Tom! >> >>What happen with a Dragon? it's also necessary...or exist something like >>that? >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >>>From: Ron >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy >>>(Newbie) >>>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:29:08 -0400 >>> >>>Hi Tech wrote: >>>>Kannan and all NakTalkers, >>>> Being an oldster, I had to look at my CR7 manuals to read about >>>>the eq >>>>modification that Kannan has described. This modification was in >>>>response >>>>to the TDK SA-X and Maxell UD-XL2-S type tapes. ONLY if these tape >>>>formulations were used for recording is the modification needed. >>> >>>Tom, this is a new one on me and I thought I've read >>>all there was to read on this subject... Would you >>>mind telling me the source of this information? >>> >>>Thanks in advance, >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>If you use >>>>UD-XL2, or SA, then you do not need to modify. As far as the conversion >>>>cost, it looks like $105 or so. I do not have access to the reel motor >>>>parts, and I guess I'm politically against the modification, so I can't >>>>quote a price for that. The CR7 looks like it does it all. Blah blah, >>>>remember the remote control. >>>> >>>>tom brucker >>>> >>>>At 02:13 PM 6/20/06 -0700, you wrote: Gear drive mod would be expensive >>>>due to the kit itself costs over 130$ if >>>>available from Nak parts. But idler tire replacement if carefully done - >>>>nice very economical alternative. However if th eserial number is less >>>>than >>>>say 9000 ( forget first three numbers after A 801- the later part is the >>>>serial number) >>>>then it has a chance of rec equalization correction from the factory. >>>>This >>>>would cost 140$ upwards if you get it done by service tech. ( unless Tom >>>>tells it differently). Th eknobs cannot be got from another deck . >>>>Forgetting the cosmetics if it does not have cam mode motor problem - >>>>that >>>>is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head >>>>alignment >>>>etc) 300 $ is not a bad deal. However be prepared to spend some money or >>>>effort or both for machine like this >>>> Atleast the serial number is above 9000 , it is a very good deal >>>>because >>>>it has gear drive and rec equi mod already done >>>> Good luck >>>> kannan >>>> blah blah wrote: >>>> Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy >>>>for >>>>the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a guys >>>>selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. >>>> >>>>I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called the >>>>guy >>>>and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He said >>>>everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 of >>>>4 >>>>knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an aluminum >>>>knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got little >>>>use, >>>>so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I >>>>don't >>>>think so. >>>> >>>>He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an >>>>hour, >>>>and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to >>>>minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost to >>>>service, and for the gear update kit? >>>> >>>>heartfelt thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> Do you Yahoo!? >>>>Everyone is raving about the >>>>>>> >>>>aisers>all-new Yahoo! Mail >>>>Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>>> >>>>=== >>>>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>> Everyone is raving about the >>>>>>> >>>>aisers> all-new Yahoo! Mail >>>>Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>>> >>>>=== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>><<<< >>>> >>>> >>>>Tom Brucker CSM >>>>Hi Tech Service >>>>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>>Nashville, TN 37211 >>>>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jun 22 07:42:24 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:42:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dying Dragon Message-ID: Hello Fred! Maybe your Dragon suffer the same "Illness"...that mine...needed to change the Cams Belt! Do you know if once was do it? Open the top cover & look if the cams belt is there or is break or slipping...when you power ON the unit...MUST rotate the cams or also the "Counter Belt"...is broken. when you will open the top cover you will see both belts. Good Luck, ALEX! >From: fredmoss at libello.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Dying Dragon >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:14:00 +0200 (CEST) > >My Dragon stopped functioning whilst playing yesterday, it slowed and >started to malfunction in reverse then slowed to a stop, neither capstan >will turn any >Longer. Are there any tech guys left in the uk who could fix this deck?? >Fred > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jun 22 08:08:54 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:08:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) Message-ID: <611E5B2C-0111-4070-B341-6705556E230C@alumni.caltech.edu> > The finest example are strange tape > formulations, like Agfa or real CrO2 tape, that simply cannot give > flat R/P > response on a Nakamichi. OK, my curiosity is piqued. And I've had some tape questions stacked up, so now I figure is as good a time as any to start the controversy. 1. I assume BASF is the only manufacturer of "real CrO2" tapes. If I were looking for one, which of their "CrO2" type tapes are the "real CrO2" types (or are they all)? Or which ones should I avoid if I want the real thing (the couple I'm looking at at the moment are "Pro II Chrome" and "Chromdiaoxide Extra 2". 2. When the rising high end tapes originally came out, I had a 700 II which doesn't have user adjustable anything. I avoided the tapes since I thought they were basically a gimmick for lesser decks than the Naks which could of course go to 20kHz with ordinary tapes (and my deck wasn't set up for them). However, in the ensuing years, it appears that the rising high end formulae became the basis for the premium tapes (including those with the fancy shells)--there weren't "non-rising high-end" versions made of TDK MA-XG or Maxell MX-S (I don't know if the Vertex tapes are rising high end or not). Maxell MX and TDK MA are only made in the cheapo shells. So, what is the general opinion of the rising high end tapes with the proviso of using a user-adjustable (or auto-adjustable) Nak? -kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kiamyong at singnet.com.sg Thu Jun 22 09:13:10 2006 From: kiamyong at singnet.com.sg (Matt) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:13:10 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Discussions Message-ID: <001701c695cb$51f44320$6401a8c0@q7v6d0> Hello I have been receiving the Nak Talk Digest regularly. I see the topics of discussion, but I am not able to see the content of the discussions going on. Is it something that I am doing wrong? Please advise. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Jun 22 12:04:00 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:04:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dying Dragon In-Reply-To: <24518953.1150941198991.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <001501c695e3$30803060$7300a8c0@Shaun> Fred, where abouts do you live? If you are near Bournemouth/Christchurch then there is a very experienced dealer who takes in Nak repairs in Barrack Road. Let me know if you want further details and I can send them to you off the board if you give me your email address. Cheers Shaun ---- fredmoss at libello.com wrote: > My Dragon stopped functioning whilst playing yesterday, it slowed > and started to malfunction in reverse then slowed to a stop, neither > capstan will turn any Longer. Are there any tech guys left in the uk > who could fix this deck?? Fred From tomas at tlec.se Thu Jun 22 12:43:27 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:43:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Back online. Message-ID: Hi folks. I'm back online again. The dns for www.naks.mine.nu should be up-dated with the new IP, However it might take a couple of hours to propagate. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jun 22 15:17:05 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:17:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-5 Message-ID: <449A9851.9090505@rcn.com> Before going to the eplace... For sale: A CR-5 deck. (Meaning, it's the 115V/230V version, with a voltage selection switch on the rear.) As you know, the CR-5 is the same as the CR-7 less the automatic calibration and real time counter. Sonically, this CR-5 sounds as good as my CR-7. All functions work well, all transport functions operate smoothly, etc. Cosmetically, it's in fair to middling condition. One knob is missing the outer cover and the door is missing the outer cover (these are purely cosmetic). The top cover paint is marred, but there are no dings or scratches. I've owned this CR-5 for several months now and all I've done with it is copy a dozen or so cassettes. If you want a picture, just let me know. Asking $220 plus actual shipping cost (22 lb. from ZIP 01702, as shown on the UPS web site). -- Ron From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jun 22 16:32:15 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:32:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit Message-ID: <449AA9EF.2010800@yahoo.ca> Hey! No link to naks.com http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-free-ship-in-usa_W0QQitemZ5853442292QQihZ008QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 22 17:00:05 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:00:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit In-Reply-To: <449AA9EF.2010800@yahoo.ca> References: <449AA9EF.2010800@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <15433.212.78.164.66.1150988405.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> This happens all the time... There is not really a good solution for this. I have been thinking about putting them into flash movies but that also has it's negative points... Thanks for noticing anyway! Wouter > Hey! No link to naks.com > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-free-ship-in-usa_W0QQitemZ5853442292QQihZ008QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 22 17:44:14 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:44:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) In-Reply-To: <611E5B2C-0111-4070-B341-6705556E230C@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060622104414.008315c0@earthlink.net> Kimo, The Agfa I was referring to was a red oxide "professional" tape that was bulk loaded and sold to studios in Naashville. Any tape that is called "chromium dioxide" is real CrO2. Pro II chrome might be chrome, but you might check BASF's web site. Type 2 tape (SX) was also known as "chrome equivalent" for years. You are probably correct that no one else makes chrome. In the US Scotch was the major manufacturer. Chrome is more resistant to self erasure than metal tape, so it is the best archival tape. It has been so long I don't remember how flat the R/P frequency response is in SX position...might be interesting to check if I can find an old tape here. On question 2 all tapes listed are metal. The CR7 eq issue was for SX type 2 tapes. The various metal formulations I've played with all seem to be pretty close to each other in performance. The better shells are somewhat of a benefit, but are unnecessary in dual capstan pad-lifter Naks! I am setting up two CR4s for a Nak talker and he sent a UDXL2-S, so I wonder if the UDXL2 is no longer available? " Rising hi end" is a relative term, because it refers to a comparasion with record/play response on a deck aligned for SA. In otherwords, when the alignment is optimized for one tape SA , but a recording is make with different tape SA-X, the SA-X sounds brighter. When you align a machine for SA-X, it sounds identical to SA. This is the "trick". Auto bias decks look at only 2 frequencies, so the extra brightness causes a slight overbias alignment, which depresses the mid treble response. Dolby exacerbates the depression. I hope this is clearer. tom brucker At 11:08 PM 6/21/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> The finest example are strange tape formulations, like Agfa or real CrO2 tape, that simply cannot give flat R/P response on a Nakamichi. OK, my curiosity is piqued. And I've had some tape questions stacked up, so now I figure is as good a time as any to start the controversy. 1. I assume BASF is the only manufacturer of "real CrO2" tapes. If I were looking for one, which of their "CrO2" type     tapes are the "real CrO2" types (or are they all)? Or which ones should I avoid if I want the real thing (the couple     I'm looking at at the moment are "Pro II Chrome" and "Chromdiaoxide Extra 2". 2. When the rising high end tapes originally came out, I had a 700 II which doesn't have user adjustable anything.     I avoided the tapes since I thought they were  basically a gimmick for lesser decks than the Naks which could of     course go to 20kHz with ordinary tapes (and my deck wasn't set up for them).     However, in the ensuing years, it appears that the rising high end formulae became the basis for the premium     tapes (including those with the fancy shells)--there weren't "non-rising high-end" versions made of TDK MA-XG     or Maxell MX-S (I don't know if the Vertex tapes are rising high end or not). Maxell MX and TDK MA are only     made in the cheapo shells. So, what is the general opinion of the rising high end tapes with the proviso     of using a user-adjustable (or auto-adjustable) Nak? -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 22 17:24:41 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:24:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon turntable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060622102441.00831c90@earthlink.net> Six billion dollars! Seriously, very few know of this ledgendary table. Fair would probably be original retail, but it would easily sell for more. tom brucker At 07:59 PM 6/21/06 -0400, you wrote: >>>> What would be a fair asking price for an new in the box dragon turntable? I have no idea other than it's uncommon to find one as new. Thanks Jim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jun 22 17:20:05 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:20:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit In-Reply-To: <15433.212.78.164.66.1150988405.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <449AA9EF.2010800@yahoo.ca> <15433.212.78.164.66.1150988405.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <449AB525.3080807@yahoo.ca> Wouter Heijke a écrit : > This happens all the time... > There is not really a good solution for this. > How about telling people to write where this info comes from? > I have been thinking about putting them into flash movies but that also > has it's negative points... > Or contacting the seller when we see this. > Thanks for noticing anyway! > > Wouter > > >> Hey! No link to naks.com >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-free-ship-in-usa_W0QQitemZ5853442292QQihZ008QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jun 22 17:18:28 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:18:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit In-Reply-To: <449AA9EF.2010800@yahoo.ca> References: <449AA9EF.2010800@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <449AB4C4.70501@rcn.com> No, he just copied and pasted the data from naktalk... And, I love his ebay brand of honesty... The title says "free ship in usa". Then, down in the description, he says "Winning bidder agrees to pays for shipping and handling by Insured UPS Ground anywhere in the 48 States (this item is heavy)." -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hey! No link to naks.com > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-free-ship-in-usa_W0QQitemZ5853442292QQihZ008QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 19:29:36 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon turntable In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060622102441.00831c90@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060622172936.23075.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Recently one mint Dragon Table sold for about 5000 $ on ebay kannan Hi Tech wrote: Six billion dollars! Seriously, very few know of this ledgendary table. Fair would probably be original retail, but it would easily sell for more. tom brucker At 07:59 PM 6/21/06 -0400, you wrote: >>>> What would be a fair asking price for an new in the box dragon turntable? I have no idea other than it's uncommon to find one as new. Thanks Jim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From nightraider101 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 21:00:26 2006 From: nightraider101 at yahoo.com (blah blah) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060622190027.77221.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> now he says the tape runs and then stops. guess it requires that gear upgrade? Should I buy it for $250? Alex Cozac wrote: Thank's a lot...Ron! ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:39:08 -0400 > > >No, Alex, this does not apply to the Dragon. This mod is >specific to the CR-7, to correct a design error. > >-- Ron > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Ron & Tom! >> >>What happen with a Dragon? it's also necessary...or exist something like >>that? >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >>>From: Ron >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy >>>(Newbie) >>>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:29:08 -0400 >>> >>>Hi Tech wrote: >>>>Kannan and all NakTalkers, >>>> Being an oldster, I had to look at my CR7 manuals to read about >>>>the eq >>>>modification that Kannan has described. This modification was in >>>>response >>>>to the TDK SA-X and Maxell UD-XL2-S type tapes. ONLY if these tape >>>>formulations were used for recording is the modification needed. >>> >>>Tom, this is a new one on me and I thought I've read >>>all there was to read on this subject... Would you >>>mind telling me the source of this information? >>> >>>Thanks in advance, >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>If you use >>>>UD-XL2, or SA, then you do not need to modify. As far as the conversion >>>>cost, it looks like $105 or so. I do not have access to the reel motor >>>>parts, and I guess I'm politically against the modification, so I can't >>>>quote a price for that. The CR7 looks like it does it all. Blah blah, >>>>remember the remote control. >>>> >>>>tom brucker >>>> >>>>At 02:13 PM 6/20/06 -0700, you wrote: Gear drive mod would be expensive >>>>due to the kit itself costs over 130$ if >>>>available from Nak parts. But idler tire replacement if carefully done - >>>>nice very economical alternative. However if th eserial number is less >>>>than >>>>say 9000 ( forget first three numbers after A 801- the later part is the >>>>serial number) >>>>then it has a chance of rec equalization correction from the factory. >>>>This >>>>would cost 140$ upwards if you get it done by service tech. ( unless Tom >>>>tells it differently). Th eknobs cannot be got from another deck . >>>>Forgetting the cosmetics if it does not have cam mode motor problem - >>>>that >>>>is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head >>>>alignment >>>>etc) 300 $ is not a bad deal. However be prepared to spend some money or >>>>effort or both for machine like this >>>> Atleast the serial number is above 9000 , it is a very good deal >>>>because >>>>it has gear drive and rec equi mod already done >>>> Good luck >>>> kannan >>>> blah blah wrote: >>>> Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy >>>>for >>>>the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a guys >>>>selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. >>>> >>>>I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called the >>>>guy >>>>and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He said >>>>everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 of >>>>4 >>>>knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an aluminum >>>>knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got little >>>>use, >>>>so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I >>>>don't >>>>think so. >>>> >>>>He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an >>>>hour, >>>>and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to >>>>minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost to >>>>service, and for the gear update kit? >>>> >>>>heartfelt thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> Do you Yahoo!? >>>>Everyone is raving about the >>>>>>>> >>>>aisers>all-new Yahoo! Mail >>>>Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>>> >>>>=== >>>>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>> Everyone is raving about the >>>>>>>> >>>>aisers> all-new Yahoo! 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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jun 22 21:49:29 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:49:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion Message-ID: <449AF449.9020108@yahoo.ca> I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including repairs if any, ...) He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? Antoine From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 22 22:02:50 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:02:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit In-Reply-To: <449AB525.3080807@yahoo.ca> References: <449AA9EF.2010800@yahoo.ca> <15433.212.78.164.66.1150988405.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <449AB525.3080807@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <449AF76A.7000500@xs4all.nl> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Wouter Heijke a écrit : >> This happens all the time... >> There is not really a good solution for this. >> > How about telling people to write where this info comes from? There is a message on naks.com for many years now. >> I have been thinking about putting them into flash movies but that also >> has it's negative points... >> > Or contacting the seller when we see this. >> Thanks for noticing anyway! >> Many don't respond... I've given up hope. Wouter From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Thu Jun 22 22:10:19 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 8:10:19 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion Message-ID: <20060622201019.QCUQ3785.sf1294-rme.xtra.co.nz@[202.27.184.228]> The 600 is good for this. I have been doing it. Donald. > > From: Antoine Deschênes > Date: 2006/06/23 Fri AM 07:49:29 GMT+12:00 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion > > I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a > Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including > repairs if any, ...) > He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? > > Antoine > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 22:05:11 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:05:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) In-Reply-To: <20060622190027.77221.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060622190027.77221.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110606221305s2053e0eewbc24c831e6b071f2@mail.gmail.com> I dont' remember if you said the idler tire had been replaced yet -- that is usually the first culprit with transport problems in older Naks. Check that first. You can get a replacement on ebay or online for under $10, and most include instructions or point you to a website with instructions. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 5jacamo2 at msn.com Thu Jun 22 22:27:35 2006 From: 5jacamo2 at msn.com (Jim Alfano) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:27:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Turntable Message-ID: Hmm 5k sounds great but that's ebay Well I guess I will put the one I have on ebay & see what it will bring When I purchased my nak stuff I purchased 2 turntables & 2 dragon tape decks along with other nak gear in the 80's this one was never used still in the box so who know what it may bring. Thanks for the help Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 23 03:29:50 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:29:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion In-Reply-To: <449AF449.9020108@yahoo.ca> References: <449AF449.9020108@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <449B440E.6040602@rcn.com> I have a CR-5 for sale for less than half that, and it's ready to go. Requires no repair or service. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a > Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including > repairs if any, ...) > He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? > > Antoine > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jun 22 22:55:21 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:55:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit In-Reply-To: <449AF76A.7000500@xs4all.nl> References: <449AA9EF.2010800@yahoo.ca> <15433.212.78.164.66.1150988405.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <449AB525.3080807@yahoo.ca> <449AF76A.7000500@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <449B03B9.4090006@yahoo.ca> I didn't even see it, maybe it could be a reason... Wouter Heijke a écrit : > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> Wouter Heijke a écrit : >>> This happens all the time... >>> There is not really a good solution for this. >>> >> How about telling people to write where this info comes from? > There is a message on naks.com for many years now. > >>> I have been thinking about putting them into flash movies but that also >>> has it's negative points... >>> >> Or contacting the seller when we see this. >>> Thanks for noticing anyway! >>> > Many don't respond... I've given up hope. > > Wouter From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 23 09:54:16 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:54:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion Message-ID: I never feel very charitable towards these types of requests. If he wanted to listen to superb analogue sound, buy a Nakamichi and listen to the tapes on that. If CD is good enough for him, which clearly it is, I would suggest a nackered old Sherwood twin deck. In a more charitable vein, a Nakamichi with adjustable PB head azimuth such as a Cass Deck One, DR 1 or Dragon. But, to put it absolutely bluntly, it would be wasted. Marc >>> antdes45 at yahoo.ca 6/22/2006 9:49:29 PM >>> I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including repairs if any, ...) He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? Antoine ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 23 10:09:45 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:09:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) Message-ID: Hi Kimo and Tom, Good analysis, Tom. The prefix "UD" for the Maxell XL cassette line was dropped in February 1984, but retained for reel tape. It was resuccitated later as a prefix for entry level type II tapes, viz UDI and UDII. Subsequent XL types are XLII and XLII-S, the former being more likely to be still in production. No pure CrO2 tapes are made anymore. BASF and Scotch were the main manufaturers and they did indeed have unique characteristics. Heavier shells that typified the super-metals etc, are not a guarantee of shell integrity (2 Maxell Metal Vertex tested by Stephen Sank circa 2000 both yeilded shell-sourced modulation noise) and lighter shells are not necessarily more likely to sport such anomalies as frequency-specific modualtion noise or shell-induced scrape-flutter. Cheers - Marc >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 6/22/2006 5:44:14 PM >>> Kimo, The Agfa I was referring to was a red oxide "professional" tape that was bulk loaded and sold to studios in Naashville. Any tape that is called "chromium dioxide" is real CrO2. Pro II chrome might be chrome, but you might check BASF's web site. Type 2 tape (SX) was also known as "chrome equivalent" for years. You are probably correct that no one else makes chrome. In the US Scotch was the major manufacturer. Chrome is more resistant to self erasure than metal tape, so it is the best archival tape. It has been so long I don't remember how flat the R/P frequency response is in SX position...might be interesting to check if I can find an old tape here. On question 2 all tapes listed are metal. The CR7 eq issue was for SX type 2 tapes. The various metal formulations I've played with all seem to be pretty close to each other in performance. The better shells are somewhat of a benefit, but are unnecessary in dual capstan pad-lifter Naks! I am setting up two CR4s for a Nak talker and he sent a UDXL2-S, so I wonder if the UDXL2 is no longer available? " Rising hi end" is a relative term, because it refers to a comparasion with record/play response on a deck aligned for SA. In otherwords, when the alignment is optimized for one tape SA , but a recording is make with different tape SA-X, the SA-X sounds brighter. When you align a machine for SA-X, it sounds identical to SA. This is the "trick". Auto bias decks look at only 2 frequencies, so the extra brightness causes a slight overbias alignment, which depresses the mid treble response. Dolby exacerbates the depression. I hope this is clearer. tom brucker At 11:08 PM 6/21/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> The finest example are strange tape formulations, like Agfa or real CrO2 tape, that simply cannot give flat R/P response on a Nakamichi. OK, my curiosity is piqued. And I've had some tape questions stacked up, so now I figure is as good a time as any to start the controversy. 1. I assume BASF is the only manufacturer of "real CrO2" tapes. If I were looking for one, which of their "CrO2" type tapes are the "real CrO2" types (or are they all)? Or which ones should I avoid if I want the real thing (the couple I'm looking at at the moment are "Pro II Chrome" and "Chromdiaoxide Extra 2". 2. When the rising high end tapes originally came out, I had a 700 II which doesn't have user adjustable anything. I avoided the tapes since I thought they were basically a gimmick for lesser decks than the Naks which could of course go to 20kHz with ordinary tapes (and my deck wasn't set up for them). However, in the ensuing years, it appears that the rising high end formulae became the basis for the premium tapes (including those with the fancy shells)--there weren't "non-rising high-end" versions made of TDK MA-XG or Maxell MX-S (I don't know if the Vertex tapes are rising high end or not). Maxell MX and TDK MA are only made in the cheapo shells. So, what is the general opinion of the rising high end tapes with the proviso of using a user-adjustable (or auto-adjustable) Nak? -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd.Hi kimo and Tom, Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 23 04:32:08 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:32:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What do I do when... Message-ID: <449B52A8.9030903@yahoo.ca> a cassette tape's end came out of a reel? I just rewinded a commercial tape with my silver BX-2 (With low torque) and now all the tape is wound on one reel because the other end just came off. There are screws on the cassette. From dock76 at netzero.net Fri Jun 23 15:21:35 2006 From: dock76 at netzero.net (dock76) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:21:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recently Purchased Bx-300 References: <200606231000.k5NA0Hg7004617@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000a01c696c7$f46ed3c0$2311163f@computer> Hello Gang, Today is the day my Nak Bx-300 is scheduled to arive via UPS.I bought the unit on the "bay" last week for $117.00 from it's original owner.It was the nicest I could find for the money and appears to be as close to new as possible considering it's 20 years old.It also comes with a 15 foot remote attached to a cord! My question is: Outside of using a head cleaner/demagnatizer, what basic maintainance can I do myself? (i.e. lubrication) Thanks, D.Perry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 40, Issue 44 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Tape to CD conversion (Antoine Desch?nes) > 2. Re: eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit (Wouter Heijke) > 3. Re: Tape to CD conversion (donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz) > 4. Re: cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) > (Tim Skorick) > 5. Dragon Turntable (Jim Alfano) > 6. Re: Tape to CD conversion (Ron) > 7. Re: eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit (Antoine Desch?nes) > 8. Re: Tape to CD conversion (Marc hugo) > 9. Re: Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) (Marc hugo) > 10. What do I do when... (Antoine Desch?nes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:49:29 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <449AF449.9020108 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a > Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including > repairs if any, ...) > He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? > > Antoine > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:02:50 +0200 > From: Wouter Heijke > Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <449AF76A.7000500 at xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > Wouter Heijke a écrit : > >> This happens all the time... > >> There is not really a good solution for this. > >> > > How about telling people to write where this info comes from? > There is a message on naks.com for many years now. > > >> I have been thinking about putting them into flash movies but that also > >> has it's negative points... > >> > > Or contacting the seller when we see this. > >> Thanks for noticing anyway! > >> > Many don't respond... I've given up hope. > > Wouter > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 8:10:19 +1200 > From: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <20060622201019.QCUQ3785.sf1294-rme.xtra.co.nz@[202.27.184.228]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > The 600 is good for this. I have been doing it. > > Donald. > > > > From: Antoine Deschênes > > Date: 2006/06/23 Fri AM 07:49:29 GMT+12:00 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion > > > > I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a > > Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including > > repairs if any, ...) > > He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? > > > > Antoine > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:05:11 -0500 > From: "Tim Skorick" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy > (Newbie) > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > <6bddc1110606221305s2053e0eewbc24c831e6b071f2 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I dont' remember if you said the idler tire had been replaced yet -- that is > usually the first culprit with transport problems in older Naks. Check that > first. You can get a replacement on ebay or online for under $10, and most > include instructions or point you to a website with instructions. > > -Tim > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060622/a7d7ffab/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:27:35 -0400 > From: "Jim Alfano" <5jacamo2 at msn.com> > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Turntable > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hmm 5k sounds great but that's ebay Well I guess I will put the one I have on ebay & see what it will bring > When I purchased my nak stuff I purchased 2 turntables & 2 dragon tape decks along with other nak gear in the 80's this one was never used still in the box so who know what it may bring. > Thanks for the help > Jim > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060622/74e2ac2b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:29:50 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <449B440E.6040602 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > I have a CR-5 for sale for less than half that, and it's > ready to go. Requires no repair or service. > > -- Ron > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a > > Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including > > repairs if any, ...) > > He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? > > > > Antoine > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:55:21 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <449B03B9.4090006 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I didn't even see it, maybe it could be a reason... > > Wouter Heijke a écrit : > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> Wouter Heijke a écrit : > >>> This happens all the time... > >>> There is not really a good solution for this. > >>> > >> How about telling people to write where this info comes from? > > There is a message on naks.com for many years now. > > > >>> I have been thinking about putting them into flash movies but that also > >>> has it's negative points... > >>> > >> Or contacting the seller when we see this. > >>> Thanks for noticing anyway! > >>> > > Many don't respond... I've given up hope. > > > > Wouter > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:54:16 +0200 > From: "Marc hugo" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > I never feel very charitable towards these types of requests. If he wanted to listen to superb analogue sound, buy a Nakamichi and listen to the tapes on that. If CD is good enough for him, which clearly it is, I would suggest a nackered old Sherwood twin deck. In a more charitable vein, a Nakamichi with adjustable PB head azimuth such as a Cass Deck One, DR 1 or Dragon. But, to put it absolutely bluntly, it would be wasted. > > Marc > > >>> antdes45 at yahoo.ca 6/22/2006 9:49:29 PM >>> > I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a > Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including > repairs if any, ...) > He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? > > Antoine > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:09:45 +0200 > From: "Marc hugo" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > Hi Kimo and Tom, > > Good analysis, Tom. > > The prefix "UD" for the Maxell XL cassette line was dropped in February 1984, but retained for reel tape. It was resuccitated later as a prefix for entry level type II tapes, viz UDI and UDII. Subsequent XL types are XLII and XLII-S, the former being more likely to be still in production. > > No pure CrO2 tapes are made anymore. BASF and Scotch were the main manufaturers and they did indeed have unique characteristics. > > Heavier shells that typified the super-metals etc, are not a guarantee of shell integrity (2 Maxell Metal Vertex tested by Stephen Sank circa 2000 both yeilded shell-sourced modulation noise) and lighter shells are not necessarily more likely to sport such anomalies as frequency-specific modualtion noise or shell-induced scrape-flutter. > > Cheers - Marc > > > > > > >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 6/22/2006 5:44:14 PM >>> > Kimo, > The Agfa I was referring to was a red oxide "professional" tape that > was bulk loaded and sold to studios in Naashville. Any tape that is called > "chromium dioxide" is real CrO2. Pro II chrome might be chrome, but you > might check BASF's web site. Type 2 tape (SX) was also known as "chrome > equivalent" for years. You are probably correct that no one else makes > chrome. In the US Scotch was the major manufacturer. Chrome is more > resistant to self erasure than metal tape, so it is the best archival tape. > It has been so long I don't remember how flat the R/P frequency response is > in SX position...might be interesting to check if I can find an old tape here. > On question 2 all tapes listed are metal. The CR7 eq issue was for SX > type 2 tapes. The various metal formulations I've played with all seem to > be pretty close to each other in performance. The better shells are > somewhat of a benefit, but are unnecessary in dual capstan pad-lifter Naks! > I am setting up two CR4s for a Nak talker and he sent a UDXL2-S, so I > wonder if the UDXL2 is no longer available? > " Rising hi end" is a relative term, because it refers to a comparasion > with record/play response on a deck aligned for SA. In otherwords, when the > alignment is optimized for one tape SA , but a recording is make with > different tape SA-X, the SA-X sounds brighter. When you align a machine for > SA-X, it sounds identical to SA. This is the "trick". Auto bias decks > look at only 2 frequencies, so the extra brightness causes a slight > overbias alignment, which depresses the mid treble response. Dolby > exacerbates the depression. > I hope this is clearer. > > tom brucker > > At 11:08 PM 6/21/06 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> > The finest example are strange tape > formulations, like Agfa or real CrO2 tape, that simply cannot give flat R/P > response on a Nakamichi. > > OK, my curiosity is piqued. And I've had some tape questions stacked up, so > now I figure is as good a time as any > to start the controversy. > > 1. I assume BASF is the only manufacturer of "real CrO2" tapes. If I were > looking for one, which of their "CrO2" type > tapes are the "real CrO2" types (or are they all)? Or which ones should > I avoid if I want the real thing (the couple > I'm looking at at the moment are "Pro II Chrome" and "Chromdiaoxide > Extra 2". > > 2. When the rising high end tapes originally came out, I had a 700 II which > doesn't have user adjustable anything. > I avoided the tapes since I thought they were basically a gimmick for > lesser decks than the Naks which could of > course go to 20kHz with ordinary tapes (and my deck wasn't set up for > them). > However, in the ensuing years, it appears that the rising high end > formulae became the basis for the premium > tapes (including those with the fancy shells)--there weren't > "non-rising high-end" versions made of TDK MA-XG > or Maxell MX-S (I don't know if the Vertex tapes are rising high end or > not). Maxell MX and TDK MA are only > made in the cheapo shells. So, what is the general opinion of the > rising high end tapes with the proviso > of using a user-adjustable (or auto-adjustable) Nak? > > -kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd.Hi kimo and Tom, > > > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:32:08 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: [naktalk] What do I do when... > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <449B52A8.9030903 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > a cassette tape's end came out of a reel? I just rewinded a commercial > tape with my silver BX-2 (With low torque) and now all the tape is wound > on one reel because the other end just came off. There are screws on the > cassette. > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 40, Issue 44 > *************************************** > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 23 14:33:34 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:33:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What do I do when... In-Reply-To: <449B52A8.9030903@yahoo.ca> References: <449B52A8.9030903@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <449BDF9E.5030507@rcn.com> Easy to fix. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > a cassette tape's end came out of a reel? I just rewinded a commercial > tape with my silver BX-2 (With low torque) and now all the tape is wound > on one reel because the other end just came off. There are screws on the > cassette. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 23 15:39:00 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:39:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What do I do when... In-Reply-To: <449BDF9E.5030507@rcn.com> References: <449B52A8.9030903@yahoo.ca> <449BDF9E.5030507@rcn.com> Message-ID: <449BEEF4.5080308@yahoo.ca> I opened it and there's a little pin missing to hold the tape... Ron a écrit : > Easy to fix. > > -- Ron > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> a cassette tape's end came out of a reel? I just rewinded a >> commercial tape with my silver BX-2 (With low torque) and now all the >> tape is wound on one reel because the other end just came off. There >> are screws on the cassette. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jun 23 15:34:27 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:34:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060622104414.008315c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom! As you wrote " Rising hi end" + Auto bias decks >look at only 2 frequencies, so the extra brightness causes a slight >overbias alignment, which depresses the mid treble response. Dolby >exacerbates the depression. For so...I avoid any Dolby! Maybe I'm crasy...but sounds better in my car's Radio-Tape, Kenwood! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) >Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:44:14 -0500 > >Kimo, > The Agfa I was referring to was a red oxide "professional" tape that >was bulk loaded and sold to studios in Naashville. Any tape that is called >"chromium dioxide" is real CrO2. Pro II chrome might be chrome, but you >might check BASF's web site. Type 2 tape (SX) was also known as "chrome >equivalent" for years. You are probably correct that no one else makes >chrome. In the US Scotch was the major manufacturer. Chrome is more >resistant to self erasure than metal tape, so it is the best archival tape. >It has been so long I don't remember how flat the R/P frequency response is >in SX position...might be interesting to check if I can find an old tape >here. > On question 2 all tapes listed are metal. The CR7 eq issue was for SX >type 2 tapes. The various metal formulations I've played with all seem to >be pretty close to each other in performance. The better shells are >somewhat of a benefit, but are unnecessary in dual capstan pad-lifter Naks! > I am setting up two CR4s for a Nak talker and he sent a UDXL2-S, so I >wonder if the UDXL2 is no longer available? > " Rising hi end" is a relative term, because it refers to a comparasion >with record/play response on a deck aligned for SA. In otherwords, when the >alignment is optimized for one tape SA , but a recording is make with >different tape SA-X, the SA-X sounds brighter. When you align a machine for >SA-X, it sounds identical to SA. This is the "trick". Auto bias decks >look at only 2 frequencies, so the extra brightness causes a slight >overbias alignment, which depresses the mid treble response. Dolby >exacerbates the depression. >I hope this is clearer. > >tom brucker > > At 11:08 PM 6/21/06 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> >The finest example are strange tape >formulations, like Agfa or real CrO2 tape, that simply cannot give flat R/P >response on a Nakamichi. > >OK, my curiosity is piqued. And I've had some tape questions stacked up, so >now I figure is as good a time as any >to start the controversy. > >1. I assume BASF is the only manufacturer of "real CrO2" tapes. If I were >looking for one, which of their "CrO2" type > tapes are the "real CrO2" types (or are they all)? Or which ones should >I avoid if I want the real thing (the couple > I'm looking at at the moment are "Pro II Chrome" and "Chromdiaoxide >Extra 2". > >2. When the rising high end tapes originally came out, I had a 700 II which >doesn't have user adjustable anything. > I avoided the tapes since I thought they were basically a gimmick for >lesser decks than the Naks which could of > course go to 20kHz with ordinary tapes (and my deck wasn't set up for >them). > However, in the ensuing years, it appears that the rising high end >formulae became the basis for the premium > tapes (including those with the fancy shells)--there weren't >"non-rising high-end" versions made of TDK MA-XG > or Maxell MX-S (I don't know if the Vertex tapes are rising high end or >not). Maxell MX and TDK MA are only > made in the cheapo shells. So, what is the general opinion of the >rising high end tapes with the proviso > of using a user-adjustable (or auto-adjustable) Nak? > >-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><<<< > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Fri Jun 23 16:02:05 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:02:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Recently Purchased Bx-300 References: <200606231000.k5NA0Hg7004617@zxe.naks.com> <000a01c696c7$f46ed3c0$2311163f@computer> Message-ID: <007c01c696cd$9e602140$b207010a@hurtignok> When the idler wheel / rubber needs replacement (haven't done it yet myself) it should be reasonable easy to DIY http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm Some of the VERY competent members in the forum might have additional comments on procedures and where to find / buy idler wheels / tires. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "dock76" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 3:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Recently Purchased Bx-300 > Hello Gang, > Today is the day my Nak Bx-300 is scheduled to arive via UPS.I bought the > unit on the "bay" last week for $117.00 from it's original owner.It was the > nicest I could find for the money and appears to be as close to new as > possible considering it's 20 years old.It also comes with a 15 foot remote > attached to a cord! My question is: Outside of using a head > cleaner/demagnatizer, what basic maintainance can I do myself? (i.e. > lubrication) > Thanks, D.Perry > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 AM > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 40, Issue 44 > > >> Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >> naktalk at naks.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> naktalk-request at naks.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> naktalk-owner at naks.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >> >> >> Naktalk digest mailing list >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Tape to CD conversion (Antoine Desch?nes) >> 2. Re: eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit (Wouter Heijke) >> 3. Re: Tape to CD conversion (donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz) >> 4. Re: cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) >> (Tim Skorick) >> 5. Dragon Turntable (Jim Alfano) >> 6. Re: Tape to CD conversion (Ron) >> 7. Re: eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit (Antoine Desch?nes) >> 8. Re: Tape to CD conversion (Marc hugo) >> 9. Re: Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) (Marc hugo) >> 10. What do I do when... (Antoine Desch?nes) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:49:29 -0400 >> From: Antoine Desch?nes >> Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <449AF449.9020108 at yahoo.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a >> Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including >> repairs if any, ...) >> He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? >> >> Antoine >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:02:50 +0200 >> From: Wouter Heijke >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <449AF76A.7000500 at xs4all.nl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> > Wouter Heijke a écrit : >> >> This happens all the time... >> >> There is not really a good solution for this. >> >> >> > How about telling people to write where this info comes from? >> There is a message on naks.com for many years now. >> >> >> I have been thinking about putting them into flash movies but that also >> >> has it's negative points... >> >> >> > Or contacting the seller when we see this. >> >> Thanks for noticing anyway! >> >> >> Many don't respond... I've given up hope. >> >> Wouter >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 8:10:19 +1200 >> From: >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> <20060622201019.QCUQ3785.sf1294-rme.xtra.co.nz@[202.27.184.228]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> The 600 is good for this. I have been doing it. >> >> Donald. >> > >> > From: Antoine Deschênes >> > Date: 2006/06/23 Fri AM 07:49:29 GMT+12:00 >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion >> > >> > I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a >> > Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including >> > repairs if any, ...) >> > He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? >> > >> > Antoine >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:05:11 -0500 >> From: "Tim Skorick" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy >> (Newbie) >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Message-ID: >> <6bddc1110606221305s2053e0eewbc24c831e6b071f2 at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I dont' remember if you said the idler tire had been replaced yet -- that > is >> usually the first culprit with transport problems in older Naks. Check > that >> first. You can get a replacement on ebay or online for under $10, and > most >> include instructions or point you to a website with instructions. >> >> -Tim >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060622/a7d7ffab/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:27:35 -0400 >> From: "Jim Alfano" <5jacamo2 at msn.com> >> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Turntable >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hmm 5k sounds great but that's ebay Well I guess I will put the one I have > on ebay & see what it will bring >> When I purchased my nak stuff I purchased 2 turntables & 2 dragon tape > decks along with other nak gear in the 80's this one was never used still in > the box so who know what it may bring. >> Thanks for the help >> Jim >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060622/74e2ac2b/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:29:50 -0400 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <449B440E.6040602 at rcn.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> I have a CR-5 for sale for less than half that, and it's >> ready to go. Requires no repair or service. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> > I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a >> > Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including >> > repairs if any, ...) >> > He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? >> > >> > Antoine >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:55:21 -0400 >> From: Antoine Desch?nes >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <449B03B9.4090006 at yahoo.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> I didn't even see it, maybe it could be a reason... >> >> Wouter Heijke a écrit : >> > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> >> Wouter Heijke a écrit : >> >>> This happens all the time... >> >>> There is not really a good solution for this. >> >>> >> >> How about telling people to write where this info comes from? >> > There is a message on naks.com for many years now. >> > >> >>> I have been thinking about putting them into flash movies but that > also >> >>> has it's negative points... >> >>> >> >> Or contacting the seller when we see this. >> >>> Thanks for noticing anyway! >> >>> >> > Many don't respond... I've given up hope. >> > >> > Wouter >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:54:16 +0200 >> From: "Marc hugo" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> I never feel very charitable towards these types of requests. If he > wanted to listen to superb analogue sound, buy a Nakamichi and listen to the > tapes on that. If CD is good enough for him, which clearly it is, I would > suggest a nackered old Sherwood twin deck. In a more charitable vein, a > Nakamichi with adjustable PB head azimuth such as a Cass Deck One, DR 1 or > Dragon. But, to put it absolutely bluntly, it would be wasted. >> >> Marc >> >> >>> antdes45 at yahoo.ca 6/22/2006 9:49:29 PM >>> >> I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a >> Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including >> repairs if any, ...) >> He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? >> >> Antoine >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >> to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or > more >> attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use > of the >> named recipient/s. >> >> If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, > disclose >> or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in > reliance on it. >> If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by > replying to >> this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your > computer. >> >> All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are > present >> in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or > damage arising >> from the use of this email or attachments. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:09:45 +0200 >> From: "Marc hugo" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> Hi Kimo and Tom, >> >> Good analysis, Tom. >> >> The prefix "UD" for the Maxell XL cassette line was dropped in February > 1984, but retained for reel tape. It was resuccitated later as a prefix for > entry level type II tapes, viz UDI and UDII. Subsequent XL types are XLII > and XLII-S, the former being more likely to be still in production. >> >> No pure CrO2 tapes are made anymore. BASF and Scotch were the main > manufaturers and they did indeed have unique characteristics. >> >> Heavier shells that typified the super-metals etc, are not a guarantee of > shell integrity (2 Maxell Metal Vertex tested by Stephen Sank circa 2000 > both yeilded shell-sourced modulation noise) and lighter shells are not > necessarily more likely to sport such anomalies as frequency-specific > modualtion noise or shell-induced scrape-flutter. >> >> Cheers - Marc >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net 6/22/2006 5:44:14 PM >>> >> Kimo, >> The Agfa I was referring to was a red oxide "professional" tape that >> was bulk loaded and sold to studios in Naashville. Any tape that is called >> "chromium dioxide" is real CrO2. Pro II chrome might be chrome, but you >> might check BASF's web site. Type 2 tape (SX) was also known as "chrome >> equivalent" for years. You are probably correct that no one else makes >> chrome. In the US Scotch was the major manufacturer. Chrome is more >> resistant to self erasure than metal tape, so it is the best archival > tape. >> It has been so long I don't remember how flat the R/P frequency response > is >> in SX position...might be interesting to check if I can find an old tape > here. >> On question 2 all tapes listed are metal. The CR7 eq issue was for SX >> type 2 tapes. The various metal formulations I've played with all seem to >> be pretty close to each other in performance. The better shells are >> somewhat of a benefit, but are unnecessary in dual capstan pad-lifter > Naks! >> I am setting up two CR4s for a Nak talker and he sent a UDXL2-S, so I >> wonder if the UDXL2 is no longer available? >> " Rising hi end" is a relative term, because it refers to a comparasion >> with record/play response on a deck aligned for SA. In otherwords, when > the >> alignment is optimized for one tape SA , but a recording is make with >> different tape SA-X, the SA-X sounds brighter. When you align a machine > for >> SA-X, it sounds identical to SA. This is the "trick". Auto bias decks >> look at only 2 frequencies, so the extra brightness causes a slight >> overbias alignment, which depresses the mid treble response. Dolby >> exacerbates the depression. >> I hope this is clearer. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 11:08 PM 6/21/06 -0700, you wrote: >> >>>> >> The finest example are strange tape >> formulations, like Agfa or real CrO2 tape, that simply cannot give flat > R/P >> response on a Nakamichi. >> >> OK, my curiosity is piqued. And I've had some tape questions stacked up, > so >> now I figure is as good a time as any >> to start the controversy. >> >> 1. I assume BASF is the only manufacturer of "real CrO2" tapes. If I were >> looking for one, which of their "CrO2" type >> tapes are the "real CrO2" types (or are they all)? Or which ones > should >> I avoid if I want the real thing (the couple >> I'm looking at at the moment are "Pro II Chrome" and "Chromdiaoxide >> Extra 2". >> >> 2. When the rising high end tapes originally came out, I had a 700 II > which >> doesn't have user adjustable anything. >> I avoided the tapes since I thought they were basically a gimmick for >> lesser decks than the Naks which could of >> course go to 20kHz with ordinary tapes (and my deck wasn't set up for >> them). >> However, in the ensuing years, it appears that the rising high end >> formulae became the basis for the premium >> tapes (including those with the fancy shells)--there weren't >> "non-rising high-end" versions made of TDK MA-XG >> or Maxell MX-S (I don't know if the Vertex tapes are rising high end > or >> not). Maxell MX and TDK MA are only >> made in the cheapo shells. So, what is the general opinion of the >> rising high end tapes with the proviso >> of using a user-adjustable (or auto-adjustable) Nak? >> >> -kby >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd.Hi kimo and Tom, >> >> >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >> to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or > more >> attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use > of the >> named recipient/s. >> >> If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, > disclose >> or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in > reliance on it. >> If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by > replying to >> this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your > computer. >> >> All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are > present >> in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or > damage arising >> from the use of this email or attachments. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:32:08 -0400 >> From: Antoine Desch?nes >> Subject: [naktalk] What do I do when... >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <449B52A8.9030903 at yahoo.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> a cassette tape's end came out of a reel? I just rewinded a commercial >> tape with my silver BX-2 (With low torque) and now all the tape is wound >> on one reel because the other end just came off. There are screws on the >> cassette. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 40, Issue 44 >> *************************************** >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 23 16:13:47 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:13:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion In-Reply-To: <449B440E.6040602@rcn.com> References: <449AF449.9020108@yahoo.ca> <449B440E.6040602@rcn.com> Message-ID: <449BF71B.3010206@yahoo.ca> Looks good, is there adjustable azimuth on it? Ron a écrit : > > I have a CR-5 for sale for less than half that, and it's > ready to go. Requires no repair or service. > > -- Ron > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a >> Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. >> (Including repairs if any, ...) >> He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? >> >> Antoine From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 23 16:14:48 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:14:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <449BF758.5010900@yahoo.ca> In fact, it's not him, but he's been asked to convert a lot of tapes to (M....P....3....). I told him to record them in 24/96 and down-convert to 16/48 with software, as well as at least keeping a FLAC copy of them. Anyways, I think the collection he's been asked to convert is made of cheap cassette deck recordings and commercial tapes, so digital isn't too bad. Marc hugo a écrit : > I never feel very charitable towards these types of requests. If he wanted to listen to superb analogue sound, buy a Nakamichi and listen to the tapes on that. If CD is good enough for him, which clearly it is, I would suggest a nackered old Sherwood twin deck. In a more charitable vein, a Nakamichi with adjustable PB head azimuth such as a Cass Deck One, DR 1 or Dragon. But, to put it absolutely bluntly, it would be wasted. > > Marc > > >>>> antdes45 at yahoo.ca 6/22/2006 9:49:29 PM >>> >>>> > I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a > Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. (Including > repairs if any, ...) > He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? > > Antoine From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 23 16:22:01 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:22:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Now it's summer so... Message-ID: <449BF909.9020303@yahoo.ca> I think I'll start digging out my two Naks to work on them. (Bought them, had trouble, forgot about them) Two BX-2s : Modded-circuit black with gear mod, crunches tapes, looks like it was used a LOT (easily visible gap on head, cam and drive motor were to clean) Stock circuit silver, wrong pinch roller(Plastic under rubber is yellow instead of black), worn idler, low wear on head. So, I need two pinch rollers and an idler. Not sure about belts, but every counters work. I know a few people sell some of these parts, I don't remember who they are. As for the black BX-2, the capstan seems to move up when I press play (Worn bearing?) From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 23 20:09:39 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:09:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What do I do when... In-Reply-To: <449BEEF4.5080308@yahoo.ca> References: <449B52A8.9030903@yahoo.ca> <449BDF9E.5030507@rcn.com> <449BEEF4.5080308@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <449C2E63.9040606@rcn.com> A little pin??? In my cassettes, the tape is held to the hub by a plastic wedge. I have never seen it dislodge. But if so, you can get replacement shells (that are not cheap, but still, a lot less than a prerecorded tape). In my case, a have a $hit load of old TDK AD C-60 cassettes with excellent shells that I don't record on (C-60 is too short for anything worthwhile), but use to repair failed prerecorded cassettes. These, BTW, are the only cassettes that ever failed on me. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I opened it and there's a little pin missing to hold the tape... > > Ron a écrit : >> Easy to fix. >> >> -- Ron >> >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>> a cassette tape's end came out of a reel? I just rewinded a >>> commercial tape with my silver BX-2 (With low torque) and now all the >>> tape is wound on one reel because the other end just came off. There >>> are screws on the cassette. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 23 20:12:56 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:12:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion In-Reply-To: <449BF71B.3010206@yahoo.ca> References: <449AF449.9020108@yahoo.ca> <449B440E.6040602@rcn.com> <449BF71B.3010206@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <449C2F28.9020602@rcn.com> What do you mean? ALL Nak decks have adjustable azimuth. I wouldn't tough this deck, though. Azimuth was adjusted a few months ago and it's barely been used since. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Looks good, is there adjustable azimuth on it? > > > Ron a écrit : >> >> I have a CR-5 for sale for less than half that, and it's >> ready to go. Requires no repair or service. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>> I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him a >>> Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. >>> (Including repairs if any, ...) >>> He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? >>> >>> Antoine From N4229K at aol.com Sat Jun 24 01:23:01 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:23:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Recently Purchased Bx-300 Message-ID: <405.4a2c5d6.31cdd1d5@aol.com> I have idler tires for sale to help and some instructions Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 23 22:23:44 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:23:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion In-Reply-To: <449C2F28.9020602@rcn.com> References: <449AF449.9020108@yahoo.ca> <449B440E.6040602@rcn.com> <449BF71B.3010206@yahoo.ca> <449C2F28.9020602@rcn.com> Message-ID: <449C4DD0.9030309@yahoo.ca> Well, right... I knew that. But without a screwdriver? Ron a écrit : > > What do you mean? ALL Nak decks have adjustable azimuth. > I wouldn't tough this deck, though. Azimuth was adjusted > a few months ago and it's barely been used since. > > -- Ron > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> Looks good, is there adjustable azimuth on it? >> >> >> Ron a écrit : >>> >>> I have a CR-5 for sale for less than half that, and it's >>> ready to go. Requires no repair or service. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>>> I know it was asked 600 times, but someone wants me to suggest him >>>> a Nakamichi deck to convert tape to CD with a budget of $500. >>>> (Including repairs if any, ...) >>>> He can get more than a BX-2 with that, any suggestions? >>>> >>>> Antoine From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Jun 24 10:19:26 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:19:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape to CD conversion Message-ID: Hi Antoine. If its just a cheap pre-recorded cassette of low quality recordings, than the Nakamichi would be overkill for your friends project, right? Check out this unit on UBID.COM. It is probably the easiest way to transfer those non critical listening tapes straight to MP3.I have ordered one thing from "UBID"- a watch that was supposed to be a 1700.00 swiss watch. I paid 40.00 for it., but there was no problem with the transaction at all.Theres only 15 PC cassette decks for sale , and I believe i have seen them at close to 150.00 on Epray before. UBId is worth taking a look at. Ive seen a tube amp on there before. They also have used merchandise, and from time to time I see something like a used DAT on there. By the way, Im looking for a DAT, and if anyone has one in nice condition which they want to let go, then please advise .Heres the link to the PC Cassette deck; http://www.ubid.com/Plusdeck2c_PC_Cassette_Deck_-_Tape_to_MP3/a800750953-rsearchall.html -- From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jun 24 23:36:08 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:36:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 donation Message-ID: <449DB048.3070304@xs4all.nl> If anyone is interested, a BX-125 was donated on the website. BX125 Michael Zundorf, Canada, mkz at telus.net Wouter From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Jun 25 04:16:24 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:16:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) Message-ID: <1F6E6894-F54E-4E97-B845-09C883695B93@alumni.caltech.edu> > Auto bias decks > look at only 2 frequencies, so the extra brightness causes a slight > overbias alignment, which depresses the mid treble response. Actually, from the service manuals (leave it to Nak), the 1000zxl uses 4 frequencies for its adjustments (400, 2.4k, 7.2k, 20k Hz), and the 700zxl uses 3 (400, 7k, 15k Hz).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Jun 25 07:04:09 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:04:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Kannan wins the prize Message-ID: <1B4889DF-7D95-4BB1-AF54-FAAADFEFC6ED@alumni.caltech.edu> > Kannan! > > > > Alos sometimes check back tension - if the tape is not held back > > while in play - the tape gets caught between tape guid edge and > > pinch rollar. > > Geez, I'm starting to sound like a poster-child for the helpful experiences on this group :-). I mentioned in my original response to Kannan's suggestion that the back tension was zero, but there was not adjuster on this 680zx due to its early date. That is correct, but after further inspection of the service manual, I did notice that there is a back tension mechanism in all 680zx's; the later ones just have in addition to the one present in all in the hubs, the adjustable one that's also in later "classic" mechanism machines. Turns out fiddling with this; not sure whether it got off or what or if I just got it finally wedged correctly (having moved it around in trying to remove some polyurethane glue I'd used to repair the damper piston cylidner that was broken somewhere along the way, or what, but now that I have it with what seems to be a reasonable drag, things seem better. I'll have to see if it stays that way. Thanks!-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Jun 25 07:07:24 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:07:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi References tapes Message-ID: <7177A74B-1977-4E31-8B48-AE544B717833@alumni.caltech.edu> What do people think of these? They are commercial recorded cassettes, but they are done in real time (not high speed) on a "high-end nak" direct from the master. I decided to splurge on one that was interesting-- it is of the famous (or infamous) Telarc 1812 (Kunzel/Cinncinati Pops) Soundstream digital master. Pretty decent--one of the only tapes I've seem (even of ones I've made) with music that isn't buried in hiss but is below the -40db mark--doesn't read on the meters. Peak was about +8-9db on some of the cannon shots. -kby From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jun 25 14:55:09 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:55:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi References tapes In-Reply-To: <7177A74B-1977-4E31-8B48-AE544B717833@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <7177A74B-1977-4E31-8B48-AE544B717833@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <449E87AD.9020900@rcn.com> I got a few Telark pre-recorded cassettes on their last going out of business sale. Two bucks each. Recorded on TDK SA tape, they are all sonically much better than average. -- Ron Kimo B. Yap wrote: > What do people think of these? They are commercial recorded cassettes, > but they are done in real time > (not high speed) on a "high-end nak" direct from the master. I decided > to splurge on one that was interesting-- > it is of the famous (or infamous) Telarc 1812 (Kunzel/Cinncinati Pops) > Soundstream digital master. Pretty > decent--one of the only tapes I've seem (even of ones I've made) with > music that isn't buried in hiss but is > below the -40db mark--doesn't read on the meters. Peak was about +8-9db > on some of the cannon shots. > -kby From lenaw at flash.net Sun Jun 25 16:08:56 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:08:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi References tapes In-Reply-To: <7177A74B-1977-4E31-8B48-AE544B717833@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <003701c69860$e6c1c9e0$91c3db40@CPQ16585250299> They were transferred realtime 1:1 on Nakamichi ZX metal tape ( re-branded TDK-MA: same shell as well with screws version ) using NAK ZX-9 decks. The master tapes were licensed from several recording companies ( A&M, Sheffield Labs, Telarc etc.etc ) Some of the master tapes are analog and some are digital. When they first came out in the 80's, the price is aroung $16 a piece ( quite high at that time ) and some of them you are allowed to select using Dolby B or C. They sound very good on my DRAGON. They command very high price right now in the market ( from the point of a pre-recorded cassette ). The latest three that I saw in ebay changed hands for around $55 a piece. Hope this help. Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi References tapes What do people think of these? They are commercial recorded cassettes, but they are done in real time (not high speed) on a "high-end nak" direct from the master. I decided to splurge on one that was interesting-- it is of the famous (or infamous) Telarc 1812 (Kunzel/Cinncinati Pops) Soundstream digital master. Pretty decent--one of the only tapes I've seem (even of ones I've made) with music that isn't buried in hiss but is below the -40db mark--doesn't read on the meters. Peak was about +8-9db on some of the cannon shots. -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From leohilarious at yahoo.com Sun Jun 25 18:29:25 2006 From: leohilarious at yahoo.com (Leohilarious) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:29:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for MR-1 feet! Message-ID: <449EB9E5.4030809@yahoo.com> Hi all, I'm searching for replacement feet for my MR-1 since I bought mine without any. I don't want to rack mount it, so I think I need to find some rubber feet for it. Any suggestions? Thanks! Leo From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Jun 25 21:10:18 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:10:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi References tapes Message-ID: <22656017-1F4B-485B-8027-EAC8EDCDC3DA@alumni.caltech.edu> > The latest three that I saw in ebay changed hands > for around $55 a piece. Yeah, that would be me. There were several up, but I decided to throw most of the oomph behind the Telarc 1812 as I was familiar with the LP version. The ones that went up were all NOS. The liner actually says "TDK metal" and not ZX although the shell looks more like a Nak type shell (very coarse texturing). It is Dolby C (although the only place that's listed is on the label on the cassette itself. It seems like the LP seemed more impressive, although I could just be remembering wrong (it's been about 10-20 years since I really listened to it and my turntable isn't in good enough shape any more at the moment to track it properly). But it was still pretty impressive. I've bought very few pre-recorded cassettes, and the ones I have are actually fairly decent (or my hearing has degenerated a lot more); although the LP equivalents are still better the difference isn't as dramatic as I remember as the reason I have in fact purchased so few.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Jun 26 02:20:55 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:20:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CR 7A NOT WORKING! PLEASE HELP! Mint shape cosmetically Message-ID: <254.c7fad94.31d08267@aol.com> HI Fellow Nakkers! Recently I had a good fortune to come across a mint cosemtic condition CR7A with remote, that powers up but does nothing else! I would appreciate your nice guys help to bring this beauty to work again! Especially asking dear Kannan with his vast v knowledge of CR 7A. Also if some nice soul can send me PDF Service Manual in email it would be much appreciated! The machine powers up the green ready light start blinking and that glows steady for a short time then disappear! Placing a brand new Maxwell C 46 XL 2 tape and hitting fast foward button nothing happened! The play button didnt light when pressed, nothing happened with rewind button either! Opening the top cover to see if I could see any motion from the capstan motor spinning or the smaller cam motor all drew a blank i..e nothing turned. I noticed a large CR 2032 battery slodered in the top board with small resistor no 767 written nex to it near this battery that show so sign of corssion on it leads its a very small resistor, what is the purpose of this battery?! do you think it might have gone bad over the years and some how tied with the problems mentioned above?! I have not touched the machine and look no one has ever! worked or touched any part of the machine inside either. If dear Kannan or others can help as to what might have gone bad as to cause the problem mentioned above and how to get it it fixed( I have lots of electronic knowledge) and with guidance from you nice guys! I think I can get it fixed:) Also as mentioned above its in MINT! condition cosmetically ! look like it was just made! The serial# is in 7300 range , I dont know what that tells if it tells about the year it was made and any modification done to it my Nakamichi for this serial number range. Many Thanks!:) Looking forward to reply soon! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cestmoi at att.net Mon Jun 26 05:02:44 2006 From: cestmoi at att.net (Richard Obenauf) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:02:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for MR-1 feet! Message-ID: <062620060302.10525.449F4E540000FB210000291D21603763160701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Hi Leo, My MR-1 is lacking feet as well - it has the rack ears, so I assume the previous owner had it in a rack. I got mine from Steve Sank around 2001, and he put some generic rubber feet on it for me, which work fine. I think they're just attached with sticky, not screws, but they put the machine at the proper level and they haven't come off yet. Richard -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Leohilarious > Hi all, > > I'm searching for replacement feet for my MR-1 since I bought mine > without any. I don't want to rack mount it, so I think I need to find > some rubber feet for it. Any suggestions? Thanks! > > Leo > From fredmoss at libello.com Mon Jun 26 12:27:24 2006 From: fredmoss at libello.com (fredmoss at libello.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:27:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Dying Dragon In-Reply-To: <200606222003.k5MK2NSU022434@zxe.naks.com> References: <200606222003.k5MK2NSU022434@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <2472.86.143.83.154.1151317644.squirrel@webmail.libello.com> >Thank you for your replies, i am based in London, but i took the Dragon to Bowers and Wilkins as Ron suggested. Although it is good to know that there is someone else out there! Fred Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Dying Dragon (Shaun Montgomery) > 2. Back online. (Tomas Larsson) > 3. FS: Nakamichi CR-5 (Ron) > 4. eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit (Antoine Desch?nes) > 5. Re: eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit (Wouter Heijke) > 6. Re: Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) (Hi Tech) > 7. Re: Dragon turntable (Hi Tech) > 8. Re: eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit (Antoine Desch?nes) > 9. Re: eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit (Ron) > 10. Re: Dragon turntable (kannan srinivasaraghavan) > 11. Re: cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy (Newbie) > (blah blah) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:04:00 +0100 > From: "Shaun Montgomery" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dying Dragon > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <001501c695e3$30803060$7300a8c0 at Shaun> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Fred, where abouts do you live? If you are near Bournemouth/Christchurch > then there is a very experienced dealer who takes in Nak repairs in > Barrack > Road. Let me know if you want further details and I can send them to you > off > the board if you give me your email address. > > Cheers > > Shaun > > ---- fredmoss at libello.com wrote: >> My Dragon stopped functioning whilst playing yesterday, it slowed >> and started to malfunction in reverse then slowed to a stop, neither >> capstan will turn any Longer. Are there any tech guys left in the uk >> who could fix this deck?? Fred > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:43:27 +0200 > From: "Tomas Larsson" > Subject: [naktalk] Back online. > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi folks. > I'm back online again. > The dns for www.naks.mine.nu should be up-dated with the new IP, However > it > might take a couple of hours to propagate. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:17:05 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-5 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > Message-ID: <449A9851.9090505 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Before going to the eplace... > > For sale: A CR-5 deck. (Meaning, it's the 115V/230V > version, with a voltage selection switch on the rear.) > > As you know, the CR-5 is the same as the CR-7 less the > automatic calibration and real time counter. Sonically, > this CR-5 sounds as good as my CR-7. All functions work > well, all transport functions operate smoothly, etc. > Cosmetically, it's in fair to middling condition. One > knob is missing the outer cover and the door is missing > the outer cover (these are purely cosmetic). The top cover > paint is marred, but there are no dings or scratches. I've > owned this CR-5 for several months now and all I've done > with it is copy a dozen or so cassettes. > > If you want a picture, just let me know. Asking $220 plus > actual shipping cost (22 lb. from ZIP 01702, as shown on > the UPS web site). > > -- Ron > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:32:15 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <449AA9EF.2010800 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hey! No link to naks.com > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-free-ship-in-usa_W0QQitemZ5853442292QQihZ008QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:00:05 +0200 (CEST) > From: "Wouter Heijke" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > <15433.212.78.164.66.1150988405.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > This happens all the time... > There is not really a good solution for this. > I have been thinking about putting them into flash movies but that also > has it's negative points... > > Thanks for noticing anyway! > > Wouter > >> Hey! No link to naks.com >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-free-ship-in-usa_W0QQitemZ5853442292QQihZ008QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:44:14 -0500 > From: Hi Tech > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060622104414.008315c0 at earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Kimo, > The Agfa I was referring to was a red oxide "professional" tape that > was bulk loaded and sold to studios in Naashville. Any tape that is called > "chromium dioxide" is real CrO2. Pro II chrome might be chrome, but you > might check BASF's web site. Type 2 tape (SX) was also known as "chrome > equivalent" for years. You are probably correct that no one else makes > chrome. In the US Scotch was the major manufacturer. Chrome is more > resistant to self erasure than metal tape, so it is the best archival > tape. > It has been so long I don't remember how flat the R/P frequency response > is > in SX position...might be interesting to check if I can find an old tape > here. > On question 2 all tapes listed are metal. The CR7 eq issue was for SX > type 2 tapes. The various metal formulations I've played with all seem to > be pretty close to each other in performance. The better shells are > somewhat of a benefit, but are unnecessary in dual capstan pad-lifter > Naks! > I am setting up two CR4s for a Nak talker and he sent a UDXL2-S, so I > wonder if the UDXL2 is no longer available? > " Rising hi end" is a relative term, because it refers to a comparasion > with record/play response on a deck aligned for SA. In otherwords, when > the > alignment is optimized for one tape SA , but a recording is make with > different tape SA-X, the SA-X sounds brighter. When you align a machine > for > SA-X, it sounds identical to SA. This is the "trick". Auto bias decks > look at only 2 frequencies, so the extra brightness causes a slight > overbias alignment, which depresses the mid treble response. Dolby > exacerbates the depression. > I hope this is clearer. > > tom brucker > > At 11:08 PM 6/21/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>>> > The finest example are strange tape > formulations, like Agfa or real CrO2 tape, that simply cannot give flat > R/P > response on a Nakamichi. > > OK, my curiosity is piqued. And I've had some tape questions stacked up, > so > now I figure is as good a time as any > to start the controversy. > > 1. I assume BASF is the only manufacturer of "real CrO2" tapes. If I were > looking for one, which of their "CrO2" type >     tapes are the "real CrO2" types (or are they all)? Or which ones > should > I avoid if I want the real thing (the couple >     I'm looking at at the moment are "Pro II Chrome" and "Chromdiaoxide > Extra 2". > > 2. When the rising high end tapes originally came out, I had a 700 II > which > doesn't have user adjustable anything. >     I avoided the tapes since I thought they were  basically a gimmick for > lesser decks than the Naks which could of >     course go to 20kHz with ordinary tapes (and my deck wasn't set up for > them). >     However, in the ensuing years, it appears that the rising high end > formulae became the basis for the premium >     tapes (including those with the fancy shells)--there weren't > "non-rising high-end" versions made of TDK MA-XG >     or Maxell MX-S (I don't know if the Vertex tapes are rising high end > or > not). Maxell MX and TDK MA are only >     made in the cheapo shells. So, what is the general opinion of the > rising high end tapes with the proviso >     of using a user-adjustable (or auto-adjustable) Nak? > > -kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:24:41 -0500 > From: Hi Tech > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon turntable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060622102441.00831c90 at earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Six billion dollars! > Seriously, very few know of this ledgendary table. Fair would probably be > original retail, but it would easily sell for more. > > tom brucker > > At 07:59 PM 6/21/06 -0400, you wrote: >>>>> > What would be a fair asking price for an new in the box dragon turntable? > I > have no idea other than it's uncommon to find one as new. > Thanks > Jim > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:20:05 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <449AB525.3080807 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Wouter Heijke a écrit : >> This happens all the time... >> There is not really a good solution for this. >> > How about telling people to write where this info comes from? >> I have been thinking about putting them into flash movies but that also >> has it's negative points... >> > Or contacting the seller when we see this. >> Thanks for noticing anyway! >> >> Wouter >> >> >>> Hey! No link to naks.com >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-free-ship-in-usa_W0QQitemZ5853442292QQihZ008QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:18:28 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay auction with naks.com info w/o credit > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <449AB4C4.70501 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > No, he just copied and pasted the data from naktalk... > > And, I love his ebay brand of honesty... The title says > "free ship in usa". Then, down in the description, he > says "Winning bidder agrees to pays for shipping and > handling by Insured UPS Ground anywhere in the 48 States > (this item is heavy)." > > -- Ron > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> Hey! No link to naks.com >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-free-ship-in-usa_W0QQitemZ5853442292QQihZ008QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:29:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon turntable > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20060622172936.23075.qmail at web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Recently one mint Dragon Table sold for about 5000 $ on ebay > kannan > > > > Hi Tech wrote: > Six billion dollars! > Seriously, very few know of this ledgendary table. Fair would probably be > original retail, but it would easily sell for more. > > tom brucker > > At 07:59 PM 6/21/06 -0400, you wrote: >>>>> > What would be a fair asking price for an new in the box dragon turntable? > I > have no idea other than it's uncommon to find one as new. > Thanks > Jim > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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Start your league > today! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060622/07b1c206/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:00:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: blah blah > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy > (Newbie) > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20060622190027.77221.qmail at web54006.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > now he says the tape runs and then stops. guess it requires that gear > upgrade? > > Should I buy it for $250? > > Alex Cozac wrote: Thank's a lot...Ron! > > ALEX! > > > > >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy >> (Newbie) >>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:39:08 -0400 >> >> >>No, Alex, this does not apply to the Dragon. This mod is >>specific to the CR-7, to correct a design error. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >>Alex Cozac wrote: >>>Ron & Tom! >>> >>>What happen with a Dragon? it's also necessary...or exist something like >>>that? >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: Ron >>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a FS in local classifieds, should I buy >>>>(Newbie) >>>>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:29:08 -0400 >>>> >>>>Hi Tech wrote: >>>>>Kannan and all NakTalkers, >>>>> Being an oldster, I had to look at my CR7 manuals to read about >>>>>the eq >>>>>modification that Kannan has described. This modification was in >>>>>response >>>>>to the TDK SA-X and Maxell UD-XL2-S type tapes. ONLY if these tape >>>>>formulations were used for recording is the modification needed. >>>> >>>>Tom, this is a new one on me and I thought I've read >>>>all there was to read on this subject... Would you >>>>mind telling me the source of this information? >>>> >>>>Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>>-- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>If you use >>>>>UD-XL2, or SA, then you do not need to modify. As far as the >>>>> conversion >>>>>cost, it looks like $105 or so. I do not have access to the reel >>>>> motor >>>>>parts, and I guess I'm politically against the modification, so I >>>>> can't >>>>>quote a price for that. The CR7 looks like it does it all. Blah blah, >>>>>remember the remote control. >>>>> >>>>>tom brucker >>>>> >>>>>At 02:13 PM 6/20/06 -0700, you wrote: Gear drive mod would be >>>>> expensive >>>>>due to the kit itself costs over 130$ if >>>>>available from Nak parts. But idler tire replacement if carefully done >>>>> - >>>>>nice very economical alternative. However if th eserial number is less >>>>>than >>>>>say 9000 ( forget first three numbers after A 801- the later part is >>>>> the >>>>>serial number) >>>>>then it has a chance of rec equalization correction from the factory. >>>>>This >>>>>would cost 140$ upwards if you get it done by service tech. ( unless >>>>> Tom >>>>>tells it differently). Th eknobs cannot be got from another deck . >>>>>Forgetting the cosmetics if it does not have cam mode motor problem - >>>>>that >>>>>is this deck otherwise performs perfectly ( does not require head >>>>>alignment >>>>>etc) 300 $ is not a bad deal. However be prepared to spend some money >>>>> or >>>>>effort or both for machine like this >>>>> Atleast the serial number is above 9000 , it is a very good deal >>>>>because >>>>>it has gear drive and rec equi mod already done >>>>> Good luck >>>>> kannan >>>>> blah blah wrote: >>>>> Hi. I'm a newbie, I've been reading through the archives like crazy >>>>>for >>>>>the last couple days, and then I found this deal. there's a cr-7a a >>>>> guys >>>>>selling for $375 negotiable. He said he's willing to go down a bit. >>>>> >>>>>I did some googling, and it seems like a very good deck. I called the >>>>>guy >>>>>and he said it's been in his "temperature controlled storage". He >>>>> said >>>>>everything is in great condition except the plastic that goes over 3 >>>>> of >>>>>4 >>>>>knobs all the way on the right are lost (but he said there's an >>>>> aluminum >>>>>knob underneath). He said it's never been serviced, but it got little >>>>>use, >>>>>so that's why. I didn't ask him if it has the gear update kit, but I >>>>>don't >>>>>think so. >>>>> >>>>>He said he's going to take it out of storage, and to call him in an >>>>>hour, >>>>>and drive down there soon. In the limited time, what should I do to >>>>>minimize my chances of buying a bad deck? and how much does it cost >>>>> to >>>>>service, and for the gear update kit? >>>>> >>>>>heartfelt thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>>> ---------- >>>>> Do you Yahoo!? >>>>>Everyone is raving about the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>aisers>all-new Yahoo! Mail >>>>>Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>>>> >>>>>=== >>>>>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- >>>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>>> Everyone is raving about the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>aisers> all-new Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060622/b70321da/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 40, Issue 43 > *************************************** > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 26 15:33:21 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:33:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) In-Reply-To: <1F6E6894-F54E-4E97-B845-09C883695B93@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060626083321.0083b520@earthlink.net> What price for perfection, eh? I'd love to hear the reason for 2.4k. Is this to flatten FeCR tape frequency response? tom brucker At 07:16 PM 6/24/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Auto bias decks look at only 2 frequencies, so the extra brightness causes a slight overbias alignment, which depresses the mid treble response. Actually, from the service manuals (leave it to Nak), the 1000zxl uses 4 frequencies for its adjustments (400, 2.4k, 7.2k, 20k Hz), and the 700zxl uses 3 (400, 7k, 15k Hz).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 26 16:01:45 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:01:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CR 7A NOT WORKING! PLEASE HELP! Mint shape cosmetically In-Reply-To: <254.c7fad94.31d08267@aol.com> References: <254.c7fad94.31d08267@aol.com> Message-ID: <449FE8C9.8000309@rcn.com> The Battery is there to keep some data in memory when the deck is turned off. Since the green ready indicator glows, then goes steady, I would guess that the main processor is alive ands well and the +5V supply is alive. The indicator is supposed to go off after a while. Since nothing moves, I would check the +12V supply. If it's OK right at the capstan motor PCB and the capstan still doesn't run, you have a problem right there. -- Ron BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > HI Fellow Nakkers! Recently I had a good fortune to come across a mint > cosemtic condition CR7A with remote, that powers up but does nothing > else! I would appreciate your nice guys help to bring this beauty to > work again! Especially asking dear Kannan with his vast v > knowledge of CR 7A. Also if some nice soul can send me PDF Service > Manual in email it would be much appreciated! > > The machine powers up the green ready light start blinking and that > glows steady for a short time then disappear! Placing a brand new > Maxwell C 46 XL 2 tape and hitting fast foward button nothing happened! > The play button didnt light when pressed, nothing happened with rewind > button either! Opening the top cover to see if I could see any motion > from the capstan motor spinning or the smaller cam motor all drew a > blank i..e nothing turned. I noticed a large CR 2032 battery slodered in > the top board with small resistor no 767 written nex to it near this > battery that show so sign of corssion on it leads its a very small > resistor, what is the purpose of this battery?! do you think it might > have gone bad over the years and some how tied with the problems > mentioned above?! I have not touched the machine and look no one has > ever! worked or touched any part of the machine inside either. > > If dear Kannan or others can help as to what might have gone bad as to > cause the problem mentioned above and how to get it it fixed( I have > lots of electronic knowledge) and with guidance from you nice guys! I > think I can get it fixed:) Also as mentioned above its in MINT! > condition cosmetically ! look like it was just made! The serial# is in > 7300 range , I dont know what that tells if it tells about the year it > was made and any modification done to it my Nakamichi for this serial > number range. Many Thanks!:) Looking forward to reply soon! > > With Best Regards! > Ali From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 16:51:11 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CR 7A NOT WORKING! PLEASE HELP! Mint shape cosmetically In-Reply-To: <449FE8C9.8000309@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060626145111.69405.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Ron Ali being an experienced electronics person , please get hold of CR 7 service manual - start with Power supply and check one area at a time, probably you do not kannan or Ron to help you solving this issue. kannan Ron wrote: The Battery is there to keep some data in memory when the deck is turned off. Since the green ready indicator glows, then goes steady, I would guess that the main processor is alive ands well and the +5V supply is alive. The indicator is supposed to go off after a while. Since nothing moves, I would check the +12V supply. If it's OK right at the capstan motor PCB and the capstan still doesn't run, you have a problem right there. -- Ron --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Jun 26 16:49:36 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:49:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CR 7A NOT WORKING! PLEASE HELP! Mint shape cosmetically Message-ID: <51b.1bd5664.31d14e00@aol.com> Hi Ron, Many thanks for your kind advice . I replaced the battery with DL 2025 3V battery and resoldered the resistor mentioned in my last email which is 6.7kohm resistor, still nothing happened! I did more investigation and suspect that there might be a porblem with the power supply not supplying the voltage for any of the motors i.e. no motors turns, the tape transport button light up except for the light in the play button but since the tape dont move the light goes off in the button. Also the SX EX and ZX light are permanently lit in the display window which I suspect is because the tape does not move for the computer to determine which kind of tape is placed in the cassette well. This CR7A has the idler drive but the idler is like new as th rubber on it appears to be in excellent condition. How do I test for the 12 volt line ?! as the power supply does not show where the 5volts and 12 volts lines are i.e. there are no marking . A SERIVCE MANUAL IN PDF FORMAT IN EMAIL WOULD BE A BIG HELP FOR ME TO FIND IT OUT! All the fuses are okay! My limited understanding makes me think that as you mentioned the power is not getting to any of the motors, please walk me through as to what to check for on the power supply to get to the source of the missing 12 volt assuming this is the problem?! Also assuming the missing 12 volt would cause all the motors to stop functioning?! Your kind help is greatly appreciated by me! Many Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Jun 26 16:58:50 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:58:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL FOR NAKAMICHI CR 7A CASSETTE DECK PLEASE HELP! Message-ID: <406.4f9eee6.31d1502a@aol.com> HI Ron and all nice guys here! If some nice soul! has the service manual for the Nakamichi CR7A that they can send in PDF format in email that would be a big help toward fixing my CR7A and all your help in this regard greatly appreciated!! Thanks Guys! With Best Regards! Also. P.S I have written in some detail recently has to the porblem with my CR7A and apealing to Ron and Kannan all all knowledgeabke Nakkers with the great expertise to help me get this beauty to work again! Also Bala used to be very helpful and knowledgeable and Kermit too! havent heard from these nice guys recently , hope everything is ok! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 19:23:19 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts - for Sankyo transaport 2 Heads Message-ID: <20060626172319.99568.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Guys anybody tried non Nak parts source for 2 head Sankyo transport capstan belts. For machines like CR1/2 capstan belts ? Since these machines equally in large numbers including DR1/2/3/8/10, Cassette deck 2 not to forget BX1/2/100/150/125 all these machines require same capstan belts? All use motor driven capstans and they are quite wide like any Nakamichi classic transport belts. Any idea? kannan --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 26 21:10:16 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:10:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CR 7A NOT WORKING! PLEASE HELP! Mint shape cosmetically In-Reply-To: <51b.1bd5664.31d14e00@aol.com> References: <51b.1bd5664.31d14e00@aol.com> Message-ID: <44A03118.60402@rcn.com> Ali, Sorry, I only have the CR-7 manual in hard copy form. However, Tomas Larson has on his web site a couple of pictures that you should download: The Sankyo transport motor PCB on http://www.naks.mine.nu/23.php It shows clearly where to measure the 12V (Actually, 11.7V). If no voltage at that point and R720 is not open, try to measure at pin 8 of IC401 on the Power Supply PCB. CAREFUL!!! A SHORT AT THIS POINT CAN BLOW THE DECK!!! Pin 4 of the same IC should measure -12V (CAREFULLY AGAIN). If one of these voltages is missing, the problem lies on this PCB. For example, one of the transistors (a shorted cap will normally tend to blow a fuse, but who know...). Let us know how you make out, -- Ron BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ron, Many thanks for your kind advice . I replaced the battery with > DL 2025 3V battery and resoldered the resistor mentioned in my last > email which is 6.7kohm resistor, still nothing happened! I did more > investigation and suspect that there might be a porblem with the power > supply not supplying the voltage for any of the motors i.e. no motors > turns, the tape transport button light up except for the light in the > play button but since the tape dont move the light goes off in the > button. Also the SX EX and ZX light are permanently lit in the display > window which I suspect is because the tape does not move for the > computer to determine which kind of tape is placed in the cassette > well. This CR7A has the idler drive but the idler is like new as th > rubber on it appears to be in excellent condition. > > How do I test for the 12 volt line ?! as the power supply does not show > where the 5volts and 12 volts lines are i.e. there are no marking . A > SERIVCE MANUAL IN PDF FORMAT IN EMAIL WOULD BE A BIG HELP FOR ME TO FIND > IT OUT! All the fuses are okay! My limited understanding makes me think > that as you mentioned the power is not getting to any of the motors, > please walk me through as to what to check for on the power supply to > get to the source of the missing 12 volt assuming this is the problem?! > Also assuming the missing 12 volt would cause all the motors to stop > functioning?! Your kind help is greatly appreciated by me! Many Thanks! > > Ali From dmm at math.bu.edu Mon Jun 26 22:01:06 2006 From: dmm at math.bu.edu (Diane Meuser) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 EQ question Message-ID: To any of the Nak experts on the CR-7: I'm considering purchasing a CR-7 which I believe is one of the earlier models (Serial number 01781). It HAS had the GEAR modification, but has NOT had the EQUALIZATION modification, which the dealer who has been servicing the deck also claims they have never heard of and would be unable to do. Question: 1) Should I purchase this deck in the hope I can find someone to do the equalization modification? 2) Is $500 a reasonable price to pay for this deck? They say it is in mint condition, and as noted it DOES have GEAR modification. 3) If anyone knows anyone in the Boston area who can do the equalization modification please let me know. Thanks for any opinions. Diane From dmm at math.bu.edu Mon Jun 26 22:36:44 2006 From: dmm at math.bu.edu (Diane Meuser) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 EQ question note Message-ID: To CR-7 and EQ mod experts, I should perhaps note that I do NOT use TDK-SAX tapes. All my tapes are regular TDK-SA or Maxell-XL II . Is the Equalization modification question irrelevant to me? Thanks, Diane From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 23:15:02 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 EQ question note In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060626211502.78201.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I answered this earlier - all pre 9000 serial number whether it uses Maxell XLIIS or such raising charecteristics tapes or not require Record equalization mod. ES Labs does it a bit different from Nakamichi specified method. Ask them the cost ( ES Labs is in Connecticut). You can also ask whether Ron is interested in doing it for you as he is somehwere in MA. Kannan Diane Meuser wrote: To CR-7 and EQ mod experts, I should perhaps note that I do NOT use TDK-SAX tapes. All my tapes are regular TDK-SA or Maxell-XL II . Is the Equalization modification question irrelevant to me? Thanks, Diane ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jun 26 23:21:39 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:21:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tape types (was: CR-7 EQ opinions) Message-ID: <110210FB-002B-4D4D-8A42-177F5CB1CAA5@alumni.caltech.edu> > What price for perfection, eh? I'd love to hear the reason for > 2.4k. Is > this to flatten FeCR tape frequency response? > What price, indeed. I don't know what the rationale was. But I still have one Type III tape around...:-) Type IIIs (at the time) were one reason I figured giving up Type II was the choice to make when submitting my 700 II to Nak to enable for Type IV (the internals and switches for bias were designed around there being only 2 bias choices).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Tue Jun 27 01:15:28 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:15:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belts - for Sankyo transaport 2 Heads Message-ID: <41e.3512f41.31d1c490@aol.com> I have some belts for a BX (new) give me measurements and I'll double check. Dean Hi Guys anybody tried non Nak parts source for 2 head Sankyo transport capstan belts. For machines like CR1/2 capstan belts ? Since these machines equally in large numbers including DR1/2/3/8/10, Cassette deck 2 not to forget BX1/2/100/150/125 all these machines require same capstan belts? All use motor driven capstans and they are quite wide like any Nakamichi classic transport belts. Any idea? kannan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Tue Jun 27 21:40:52 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:40:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! Message-ID: I have done a major up-date of the site, feel free to comment. I have allso added a lot of stuff. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Tue Jun 27 23:00:26 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:00:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! References: Message-ID: <002101c69a2c$c6ea7310$b207010a@hurtignok> Sounds great, but personally I do not like the new popup menus.They are (at least to me) difficult to navigate / scroll. Just a little sigh from a fan of Jakob Nielsen www.useit.com Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! >I have done a major up-date of the site, feel free to comment. > > I have allso added a lot of stuff. > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Jun 27 23:15:36 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:15:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! In-Reply-To: <002101c69a2c$c6ea7310$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <002101c69a2c$c6ea7310$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <44A19FF8.3040701@yahoo.ca> Looks great, well organized. The only thing is that small resolutions might have problems with the Nak Stuff menu. Oh, and is it or you or me that has to adjust the closing delay of the menu, I find menus that disappear instantly very annoying. >> I have done a major up-date of the site, feel free to comment. >> >> I have allso added a lot of stuff. >> >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. From tomas at tlec.se Tue Jun 27 23:45:12 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:45:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! In-Reply-To: <002101c69a2c$c6ea7310$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: Well, It is an experiment. I could easily change them. What I just did, was to revert to the old "Tree-menu" on the main-page. My main concern is that when the menu is opened, it is so long. I could move the "Pop-Up" more to the right, so it doesn't hide the main menu if that helps. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Per > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:00 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! > > Sounds great, but personally I do not like the new popup > menus.They are (at least to me) difficult to navigate / > scroll. Just a little sigh from a fan of Jakob Nielsen > www.useit.com Best Regards, Per > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas Larsson" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:40 PM > Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! > > > >I have done a major up-date of the site, feel free to comment. > > > > I have allso added a lot of stuff. > > > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free > www.yousendit.com service. > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From tomas at tlec.se Wed Jun 28 00:32:35 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:32:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I Have spotted two errors in the links to 1000ZXL manuals, and fixed them. Please If anyone find any non-working links, please let me know, (as well as text-spelling, hmm). With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:41 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! > > I have done a major up-date of the site, feel free to comment. > > I have allso added a lot of stuff. > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free > www.yousendit.com service. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Jun 28 03:12:02 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:12:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk] HAVING HARD TIME FINDING SERVICE MANUAL FOR CR 7A PLEASE HELP! Message-ID: <50e.210b736.31d33162@aol.com> HI Ron, I am having hard time finding a service manual for CR7A . Paid $15.99 to www.servicemanuals.net for instant downloadable manual in pdf format a few hours ago just to see NO MANUAL! JUST BLANK! Calling them on phone in New Jersey met with a recording message! has anyone had experience with these folks?! Also if Tom Larson or Wouter has a service manual that can be sen in email pdf format will be much appreciated! By the way! Ron 3.76 volts instead of 11.7 volts on the capstan motor PCB test point that you very kindly advised me to check . Pin 4 and 8 of IC 401 on the power supply board same! story! i.e. low voltage! Where do we go from here?! Please advise! Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Jun 28 09:30:51 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:30:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! References: Message-ID: <001401c69a84$cb9aacb0$b207010a@hurtignok> Yes, but the problem is twofold 1) At least on my screen I have to scroll deeper than the menu itself to get the lowest items and 2) these "interactive" menus are very nervous to navigate as you have to move / pinpoint and click very precisely AND with the right timing to get what you want. A more conventional linkpage is much easier to view and then you can scroll the page, move the cursor over the the itema - and then click. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:45 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! > Well, It is an experiment. > I could easily change them. > > What I just did, was to revert to the old "Tree-menu" on the main-page. > My main concern is that when the menu is opened, it is so long. > I could move the "Pop-Up" more to the right, so it doesn't hide the main > menu if that helps. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Per >> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:00 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! >> >> Sounds great, but personally I do not like the new popup >> menus.They are (at least to me) difficult to navigate / >> scroll. Just a little sigh from a fan of Jakob Nielsen >> www.useit.com Best Regards, Per >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tomas Larsson" >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:40 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! >> >> >> >I have done a major up-date of the site, feel free to comment. >> > >> > I have allso added a lot of stuff. >> > >> > >> > With best regards >> > >> > Tomas Larsson >> > Sweden >> > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >> > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free >> www.yousendit.com service. >> > >> > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> > >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Jun 28 09:39:50 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:39:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] HAVING HARD TIME FINDING SERVICE MANUAL FOR CR 7A PLEASEHELP! References: <50e.210b736.31d33162@aol.com> Message-ID: <002a01c69a86$0ad5b270$b207010a@hurtignok> Yes, I bought a paper servicemanual for my BX-300E a year ago. I was not impressed with the print quality. Besides, text on 2 pages were clipped...! They offered a refund but I did not return it assuming that I would not get a refund of postage (10 plus 5 dollars) Try contact them on support at servicemanuals.net Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] HAVING HARD TIME FINDING SERVICE MANUAL FOR CR 7A PLEASEHELP! HI Ron, I am having hard time finding a service manual for CR7A . Paid $15.99 to www.servicemanuals.net for instant downloadable manual in pdf format a few hours ago just to see NO MANUAL! JUST BLANK! Calling them on phone in New Jersey met with a recording message! has anyone had experience with these folks?! Also if Tom Larson or Wouter has a service manual that can be sen in email pdf format will be much appreciated! By the way! Ron 3.76 volts instead of 11.7 volts on the capstan motor PCB test point that you very kindly advised me to check . Pin 4 and 8 of IC 401 on the power supply board same! story! i.e. low voltage! Where do we go from here?! Please advise! Thanks! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From andrewspencer at eircom.net Wed Jun 28 11:05:12 2006 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy Spencer) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:05:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR5 Adjustment Screws References: <51b.1bd5664.31d14e00@aol.com> Message-ID: <004c01c69a91$f7226640$6a01a8c0@Manepa> My email with the question below was rejected by the site for some reason so apologies for hijacking this thread, perhaps someone could help me? I have recently acquired a used CR5A which I only intend to use for playback of Tapes recorded on my CR3E many years ago or on my CR7A. Playback on the CR5 is very poor with the sound being muffled and alot of background noise being experienced. I have demagnetised all the heads and cleaned them but the problem still exists. I am going to have a go at adjusting the azimuth on the Deck using the small white screws but need to know which screws are which as there appears to be 4 adjustable screws under the cassette door cover. Can anybody advise me what all these screws relate to? Regards. Andy Dublin Ireland ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CR 7A NOT WORKING! PLEASE HELP! Mint shapecosmetically Hi Ron, Many thanks for your kind advice . I replaced the battery with DL 2025 3V battery and resoldered the resistor mentioned in my last email which is 6.7kohm resistor, still nothing happened! I did more investigation and suspect that there might be a porblem with the power supply not supplying the voltage for any of the motors i.e. no motors turns, the tape transport button light up except for the light in the play button but since the tape dont move the light goes off in the button. Also the SX EX and ZX light are permanently lit in the display window which I suspect is because the tape does not move for the computer to determine which kind of tape is placed in the cassette well. This CR7A has the idler drive but the idler is like new as th rubber on it appears to be in excellent condition. How do I test for the 12 volt line ?! as the power supply does not show where the 5volts and 12 volts lines are i.e. there are no marking . A SERIVCE MANUAL IN PDF FORMAT IN EMAIL WOULD BE A BIG HELP FOR ME TO FIND IT OUT! All the fuses are okay! My limited understanding makes me think that as you mentioned the power is not getting to any of the motors, please walk me through as to what to check for on the power supply to get to the source of the missing 12 volt assuming this is the problem?! Also assuming the missing 12 volt would cause all the motors to stop functioning?! Your kind help is greatly appreciated by me! Many Thanks! Ali ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lb61 at optonline.net Wed Jun 28 13:11:04 2006 From: lb61 at optonline.net (mario) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:11:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] belts and grease and oil for BX-300 Cams Message-ID: <44A263C8.6030105@optonline.net> Can someone point me to a website where I can buy everything in one pass? Thanks. From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 28 13:40:09 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:40:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] HAVING HARD TIME FINDING SERVICE MANUAL FOR CR 7A PLEASE HELP! In-Reply-To: <50e.210b736.31d33162@aol.com> References: <50e.210b736.31d33162@aol.com> Message-ID: <44A26A99.30707@rcn.com> Are you sure you also have +3.76V on IC401 pin 4? Looks like the problem is located on the Power Supply PCB. I can't scan this portion of the schematic for you, because my manual is already a (bad) copy and the scan will not be usable. So, let me try to walk you through the diagnostic process. To verify, please disconnect CN-5, CN-6 and CN-40 (be sure you note how to reconnect) and repeat the measurements on IC401. If still the same, it is highly likely the problem is on the Power Supply PCB. If so, locate fuses F401 and F402. Measure both sides of each fuse to ground. You should get about 15VAC (AC, Not DC) to GND. If OK, locate bridge D401. Measure between the two AC pins (about 30VAC). Measure from the + pin to ground (about +40VDC). Measure from the - pin to ground (about -40VDC). Make sure that in the above, you set the meter correctly for AC and DC measurements. Let us know how you did, -- Ron BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > HI Ron, I am having hard time finding a service manual for CR7A . Paid > $15.99 to www.servicemanuals.net for > instant downloadable manual in pdf format a few hours ago just to see NO > MANUAL! JUST BLANK! Calling them on phone in New Jersey met with a > recording message! has anyone had experience with these folks?! > > Also if Tom Larson or Wouter has a service manual that can be sen > in email pdf format will be much appreciated! By the way! Ron > 3.76 volts instead of 11.7 volts on the capstan motor PCB test point > that you very kindly advised me to check . Pin 4 and 8 of IC 401 on > the power supply board same! story! i.e. low voltage! Where do we go > from here?! Please advise! Thanks! > > Ali > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 28 13:53:34 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:53:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR5 Adjustment Screws In-Reply-To: <004c01c69a91$f7226640$6a01a8c0@Manepa> References: <51b.1bd5664.31d14e00@aol.com> <004c01c69a91$f7226640$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: <44A26DBE.1020104@rcn.com> Word to the wise: be aware that head adjustments require specific Nakamichi gauge and test tape, without which (not to mention the manual and personal expertise) you are far more likely to cause damage than do good. Good luck, -- Ron Andy Spencer wrote: > My email with the question below was rejected by the site for some > reason so apologies for hijacking this thread, perhaps someone could > help me? > > I have recently acquired a used CR5A which I only intend to use for > playback of Tapes recorded on my CR3E many years ago or on my CR7A. > > Playback on the CR5 is very poor with the sound being muffled and alot > of background noise being experienced. I have demagnetised all the heads > and cleaned them but the problem still exists. I am going to have a go > at adjusting the azimuth on the Deck using the small white screws but > need to know which screws are which as there appears to be 4 adjustable > screws under the cassette door cover. > > Can anybody advise me what all these screws relate to? > > Regards. > > Andy > > Dublin > > Ireland > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* BOEING747600 at aol.com > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 3:49 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CR 7A NOT WORKING! PLEASE HELP! > Mint shapecosmetically > > Hi Ron, Many thanks for your kind advice . I replaced the battery > with DL 2025 3V battery and resoldered the resistor mentioned in my > last email which is 6.7kohm resistor, still nothing happened! I did > more investigation and suspect that there might be a porblem with > the power supply not supplying the voltage for any of the motors > i.e. no motors turns, the tape transport button light up except for > the light in the play button but since the tape dont move the light > goes off in the button. Also the SX EX and ZX light are permanently > lit in the display window which I suspect is because the tape does > not move for the computer to determine which kind of tape is placed > in the cassette well. This CR7A has the idler drive but the idler > is like new as th rubber on it appears to be in excellent condition. > > How do I test for the 12 volt line ?! as the power supply does not > show where the 5volts and 12 volts lines are i.e. there are no > marking . A SERIVCE MANUAL IN PDF FORMAT IN EMAIL WOULD BE A BIG > HELP FOR ME TO FIND IT OUT! All the fuses are okay! My limited > understanding makes me think that as you mentioned the power is not > getting to any of the motors, please walk me through as to what to > check for on the power supply to get to the source of the missing 12 > volt assuming this is the problem?! Also assuming the missing 12 > volt would cause all the motors to stop functioning?! Your kind > help is greatly appreciated by me! Many Thanks! > > Ali From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 28 14:01:38 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:01:38 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] HAVING HARD TIME FINDING SERVICE MANUAL FOR CR 7A PLEASE HELP!] Message-ID: <44A26FA2.6000706@rcn.com> Oooops... See typo corrections below: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [naktalk] HAVING HARD TIME FINDING SERVICE MANUAL FOR CR 7A PLEASE HELP! Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:40:09 -0400 From: Ron Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks References: <50e.210b736.31d33162 at aol.com> Are you sure you also have +3.76V on IC401 pin 4? Looks like the problem is located on the Power Supply PCB. I can't scan this portion of the schematic for you, because my manual is already a (bad) copy and the scan will not be usable. So, let me try to walk you through the diagnostic process. To verify, please disconnect CN-5, CN-6 and CN-40 (be sure you note how to reconnect) and repeat the measurements on IC401. If still the same, it is highly likely the problem is on the Power Supply PCB. If so, locate fuses F401 and F402. Measure both sides of each fuse to ground. IN ALL FOUR MEASUREMENTS You should get ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ about 15VAC (AC, Not DC) to GND. If OK, locate bridge D401. Measure between the two AC pins (about 30VAC). Measure from the + pin to ground (about +20VDC). Measure from the - pin to ground ^^^^^^ (about -20VDC). Make sure that in the above, you set ^^^^^^ the meter correctly for AC and DC measurements. Let us know how you did, -- Ron BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > HI Ron, I am having hard time finding a service manual for CR7A . Paid > $15.99 to www.servicemanuals.net for > instant downloadable manual in pdf format a few hours ago just to see NO > MANUAL! JUST BLANK! Calling them on phone in New Jersey met with a > recording message! has anyone had experience with these folks?! > > Also if Tom Larson or Wouter has a service manual that can be sen > in email pdf format will be much appreciated! By the way! Ron > 3.76 volts instead of 11.7 volts on the capstan motor PCB test point > that you very kindly advised me to check . Pin 4 and 8 of IC 401 on > the power supply board same! story! i.e. low voltage! Where do we go > from here?! Please advise! Thanks! > > Ali > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Jun 28 14:10:40 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:10:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! References: Message-ID: <002801c69aab$eaa6e890$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, Tomas. Please know, that whatever you do to your site www.naks.mine.nu in terms of user inter- face, it will always score high on CONTENT. To sum things up: All Nak folks will probably find something of value. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! >I have done a major up-date of the site, feel free to comment. > > I have allso added a lot of stuff. > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Jun 28 14:11:50 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:11:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! Message-ID: <266.c3b6023.31d3cc06@aol.com> Hi Tom, I was hoping to maybe see a service manual for my CR7A Nakamichi Cassette Deck, none of the menu opens!! Please advise! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Wed Jun 28 14:49:53 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:49:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! In-Reply-To: <266.c3b6023.31d3cc06@aol.com> Message-ID: If it aint there, then I don't have it. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:12 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! > > Hi Tom, I was hoping to maybe see a service manual for my > CR7A Nakamichi Cassette Deck, none of the menu opens!! Please advise! > > With Best Regards! > Ali > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jun 28 16:54:21 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:54:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] the vintage cassette project Message-ID: <7875.212.78.164.66.1151506461.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> It's not finished but well on it's way... http://www.vintagecassette.com/ If anyone can help with additional information/corrections/pictures etc etc please contact me offline. This is a hell of a job! Enjoy! Wouter From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 28 16:55:02 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:55:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44A29846.7070703@rcn.com> Tomas, I very much appreciate your web site, but I do prefer the old form. Previously, the only problem was that text and background in the menu area were almost the same color and very difficult to read. To see the web site, I used to set Firefox to my colors and disallow colors chosen by the site. This is still the case. OTOH, there is now a new menu level, for models (including those that have no information) and menu levels overlap each other transparently -- again, very difficult to read. Best regards, -- Ron Tomas Larsson wrote: > I have done a major up-date of the site, feel free to comment. > > I have allso added a lot of stuff. > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Jun 28 16:57:03 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:57:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! In-Reply-To: <002801c69aab$eaa6e890$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <002801c69aab$eaa6e890$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <44A298BF.1090300@yahoo.ca> The new-old menu seems even better, now the only thing is that the font is too dark for every of my 5+ years old CRTs. Per a écrit : > Hi, Tomas. Please know, that whatever you do to > your site www.naks.mine.nu in terms of user inter- > face, it will always score high on CONTENT. To > sum things up: All Nak folks will probably find something of value. > HIGHLY RECOMMENDED > Best Regards, Per > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:40 PM > Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! >> I have done a major up-date of the site, feel free to comment. >> >> I have allso added a lot of stuff. >> >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com >> service. >> >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Jun 28 18:02:31 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:02:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] the vintage cassette project References: <7875.212.78.164.66.1151506461.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <003401c69acc$44cc1870$b207010a@hurtignok> Nice looking website - look forward to dig into it more carefully. My first comment to you thought would be the pics - they can easily be compressed by a factor 10 or more without signaficant loss of quality. I have a broadband connection, but if I hit your website I would NOT wait for a small +300 KB picture to load... Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] the vintage cassette project > It's not finished but well on it's way... > > http://www.vintagecassette.com/ > > If anyone can help with additional information/corrections/pictures etc > etc please contact me offline. This is a hell of a job! > > Enjoy! > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Jun 28 18:15:00 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:15:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] the vintage cassette project References: <7875.212.78.164.66.1151506461.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <004e01c69ace$0329a840$b207010a@hurtignok> Sorry that I replied to naks.com :-( I did not see you note about contacting you offline. I have surfed your site, and I really like what I see. It has a lot of information and it looks / behaves the way I want a website to look / behave. Impressive amount of details and information. Do you plan to let naks.com merge into this site? You could do that and then only having to maintain one site. It is folks like you that keep tapedecks in this world... Very Best Regards, Per - and THANK YOU for doing it. I know how much time it takes - so don't forget your family / friends ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] the vintage cassette project > It's not finished but well on it's way... > > http://www.vintagecassette.com/ > > If anyone can help with additional information/corrections/pictures etc > etc please contact me offline. This is a hell of a job! > > Enjoy! > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Jun 28 18:22:54 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:22:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the vintage cassette project In-Reply-To: <7875.212.78.164.66.1151506461.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <7875.212.78.164.66.1151506461.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Thats wonderfull! Thats great! Congratulations. I will be there a lot. On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:54:21 -0500, Wouter Heijke wrote: > It's not finished but well on it's way... > > http://www.vintagecassette.com/ > > If anyone can help with additional information/corrections/pictures etc > etc please contact me offline. This is a hell of a job! > > Enjoy! > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jun 28 20:17:56 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:17:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] the vintage cassette project In-Reply-To: <004e01c69ace$0329a840$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <7875.212.78.164.66.1151506461.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <004e01c69ace$0329a840$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <44A2C7D4.8050907@xs4all.nl> No problem. The images are a bit slow now but that will be ok lateron, now they are png and jpg is what it will be. Nice you like it. Naks.com will use the same database in the future so maintenance will be low, plus it will have additional information. I'm working on: -product comparison -ebay listings per product (+history!) Stay tuned! Wouter Per wrote: > Sorry that I replied to naks.com :-( I did not see you note about > contacting you offline. I have surfed your site, and I really like > what I see. It has a lot of information and it looks / behaves the > way I want a website to look / behave. Impressive amount of > details and information. Do you plan to let naks.com merge into > this site? You could do that and then only having to maintain one > site. It is folks like you that keep tapedecks in this world... > Very Best Regards, Per - and THANK YOU for doing it. I know > how much time it takes - so don't forget your family / friends ;-) > From tomas at tlec.se Wed Jun 28 20:32:26 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:32:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Problems! In-Reply-To: <44A298BF.1090300@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: It seems that I have some problems at the moment. But I cant fix it until Friday evening, unfortunately, since I'm out of town. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:57 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! > > The new-old menu seems even better, now the only thing is > that the font is too dark for every of my 5+ years old CRTs. > > Per a écrit : > > Hi, Tomas. Please know, that whatever you do to your site > > www.naks.mine.nu in terms of user inter- face, it will always score > > high on CONTENT. To sum things up: All Nak folks will probably find > > something of value. > > HIGHLY RECOMMENDED > > Best Regards, Per > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" > > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:40 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, Major Update! > >> I have done a major up-date of the site, feel free to comment. > >> > >> I have allso added a lot of stuff. > >> > >> > >> With best regards > >> > >> Tomas Larsson > >> Sweden > >> http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com > >> service. > >> > >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Jun 29 05:34:27 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:34:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CR 7A NEW PROBLEM! RON HELP! HUMMING IN BOTH CHANNELS! Message-ID: <548.117879e.31d4a443@aol.com> HI Ron, Thanks for your kind assistence. with this machine. I fixed the power supply problem to the motors , the capstans shaft are now rotating, as is the fast forward, rewind and also the azimuth motor turns. A new problem has come up which might be there before since I could not check as the tape transport was not working. The problem is that when I insterted the brandnew blank maxwell XL II c -46 tape and tried auto calibration the auto calibration was not sucessful as the green lights before the ready light started flashing and would not stop , ready light did not come on. Also when you hit the play button the only thing you can hear is a huming noise in both channel and at full volume !!! i.e. all the green leds are all lit in the vu meters!! Turning the ouptut control has no effect and when you switch from tape to source, again!! the same thing happened i.e. full deflection of the vu meters with no line source connected! and the same humming noise in both channel and at full volume! Where do we go from here?!! I have now the service manual for this machine but I dont know what to look for with this new problem! Your kind help will be much appreciated! Thanks! 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URL: From daveharris at clear.net.nz Thu Jun 29 09:33:45 2006 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:33:45 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] the vintage cassette project References: <7875.212.78.164.66.1151506461.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <004e01c69ace$0329a840$b207010a@hurtignok> <44A2C7D4.8050907@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <003401c69b4e$5ae9bd60$206065da@LAPTOPHS> Wouter you are a hero!! alot of the brochures you are after are at www.analogaudio.narod.ru will scan some stuff for you what dpi / format would you prefer Cheers Dave From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 29 09:58:53 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:58:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] the vintage cassette project In-Reply-To: <003401c69b4e$5ae9bd60$206065da@LAPTOPHS> References: <7875.212.78.164.66.1151506461.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <004e01c69ace$0329a840$b207010a@hurtignok> <44A2C7D4.8050907@xs4all.nl> <003401c69b4e$5ae9bd60$206065da@LAPTOPHS> Message-ID: <9609.212.78.164.66.1151567933.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Dave, Well this site is what I wanted to make when I registered the vintagecassette domain a few years ago, and it was a source of information while filling the database with products and information. I asked the owner to coperate in my Naks.com MkII effords (back then) but he didn't respond. Well the MkII database is here right now with the VintageCassette faceplate but this can be changed for the Naks.com MkII faceplate ;-) One downside of the format used on anlogaudio for documents is it's POOR, POOR, POOR quality.. such a shame because it makes images blurry and ugly. So what I prefer is scanned images in a 200dpi (at least), 300dpi or higher resolution, JPEG or TIFF or anything Photoshop will take is fine. The system stores the images in their highed resolution and can display them BIG if i want... So (again) anyone who has a brochure of one deck on display with the (ugly) black question marked image and wishes to scan it, please do! Wouter > Wouter you are a hero!! > > alot of the brochures you are after are at > > > www.analogaudio.narod.ru > > will scan some stuff for you what dpi / format would you prefer > > Cheers Dave From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Jun 29 14:11:05 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:11:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Missing VoltagesCN5 -12vcdc, +5.6Vdc&15v Power Supply Nakamichi CR7A Cass Deck Message-ID: <527.1e25bca.31d51d59@aol.com> Hi Ron, After spending some midnight oil, here is what I found after doing further test on the power supply of the Nakamichi CR 7A . There are missing voltage on the CN 40 and CN 5 terminals. Except for +12 V DC on each of these terminal the other voltages are missing! i.e. the -12V on the CN 40 the +5.6VDC , -12VDC and the +15Vdc are missing on the CN5 terminals. The rest of the voltages are ok on the CN7 and CN6 terminals. I checked transistors , resistors and caps in the immediate vicinity of the IC 401 all checked ok! I will doing more testing later , there got to be some component bad that causing these missing voltage, if you can shed some light it will be much appreciated! The testing was done with and without the CN 5, 6 and 40 terminals in the circuit all returned the voltage reading were the same! The only progress to report is that the +12DC is working causing the the capstan motor to run as well as the other motors. The fader seems not to be working and the deck did not do sucessful auto azimuth cal and as mentioned in previous email engaging the play button causes a low hum at full vol without control even with a blank tape with no audio recorded hitting the tape/source button to source with no line audio connected and the l/r gain input all the way to zero the same low hum at full volume with full deflection of the green led vu meter results! 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Once you repair this path, test all other supply outputs, until they are all correct. Then, connect cables and make sure they are still correct. It is not possible to walk you through the process, step by step, because each measurement will depend on previous results. Good luck, -- Ron BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ron, After spending some midnight oil, here is what I found after > doing further test on the power supply of the Nakamichi CR 7A . There > are missing voltage on the CN 40 and CN 5 terminals. Except for +12 V > DC on each of these terminal the other voltages are missing! i.e. the > -12V on the CN 40 the +5.6VDC , -12VDC and the +15Vdc are missing on the > CN5 terminals. The rest of the voltages are ok on the CN7 and CN6 > terminals. I checked transistors , resistors and caps in the immediate > vicinity of the IC 401 all checked ok! I will doing more testing later , > there got to be some component bad that causing these missing voltage, > if you can shed some light it will be much appreciated! > > The testing was done with and without the CN 5, 6 and 40 terminals in > the circuit all returned the voltage reading were the same! > > The only progress to report is that the +12DC is working causing the the > capstan motor to run as well as the other motors. The fader seems not to > be working and the deck did not do sucessful auto azimuth cal and as > mentioned in previous email engaging the play button causes a low hum at > full vol without control even with a blank tape with no audio recorded > hitting the tape/source button to source with no line audio > connected and the l/r gain input all the way to zero the same low hum at > full volume with full deflection of the green led vu meter results! > YOUR KIND HELP TO GET THIS BEAUTY TO WORK NORMALLY AGAIN IS MUCH > APPRECIATED! THANKS RON! > > With Best Regards! > Ali From emberphoto at hotmail.com Thu Jun 29 18:01:00 2006 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Work on my Nak decks In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060629084131.00833ad0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Jun 29 19:08:11 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:08:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Missing VoltagesCN5 -12vcdc, +5.6Vdc&15v Power Supply Nakamichi... Message-ID: Hi Ron, Many thanks! for your kind reply, I will do what you have advised. One thing I like to know is that in case if IC 401 is bad can it purchased from an electronic store?! My NTE semiconductor reference does not list the 4560 number written on the IC my local store carry only NTE parts . With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jun 29 20:37:22 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:37:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Missing VoltagesCN5 -12vcdc, +5.6Vdc&15v Power Supply Nakamichi... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44A41DE2.3090003@rcn.com> BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ron, Many thanks! for your kind reply, I will do what you have > advised. One thing I like to know is that in case if IC 401 is bad can > it purchased from an electronic store?! My NTE semiconductor reference > does not list the 4560 number written on the IC my local store carry > only NTE parts . > > With Best Regards! > Ali Mouser sells the NJM4560D for 26 cents apiece. -- Ron From emberphoto at hotmail.com Thu Jun 29 20:38:26 2006 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:38:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OOPS!! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 30 01:25:02 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:25:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Work on my Nak decks In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20060629084131.00833ad0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060629182502.00841e00@earthlink.net> I replied with the body of that message. At 12:01 PM 6/29/06 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Hi Tom, When I e-mailed earlier this month, you asked me to describe the specific issues I had with my various Nak decks. I did so on 6/14, but have not heard back as to whether you'd like to take a shot at them. If my response did not reach you, please advise and I'll copy the original and re-send. Many thanks. Steve Steve Ember Steve Ember Media Services 8314 Carrleigh Parkway Springfield, VA 22152 USA 703-451-6999 emberphoto at hotmail.com ---------- From: Hi Tech Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR5 Adjustment Screws Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:41:31 -0500 ><< attach2 >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Fri Jun 30 02:26:47 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:26:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the vintage cassette project In-Reply-To: <7875.212.78.164.66.1151506461.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <7875.212.78.164.66.1151506461.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060629202551.0315cf58@pop.videotron.ca> At 10:54 06/28/2006, you wrote: >It's not finished but well on it's way... > >http://www.vintagecassette.com/ > >If anyone can help with additional information/corrections/pictures etc >etc please contact me offline. This is a hell of a job! > >Enjoy! > >Wouter This is a very ambitious project, Wouter! Congratulations on making it happen! From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 30 04:03:41 2006 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:03:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-7 Owners Manual needed Message-ID: I tried Audiotalk, but no luck. Can someone please leyt me know where I can download an owners manual for the ST-7. This is my 7th Nakamichi component that I purchased . I've been on Naktalk some 7 years so please help. It's no joke - I love this website. Thanks. - Mark Exstedt From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Fri Jun 30 10:37:46 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:37:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-7 Owners Manual needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <501934071.20060630103746@kharkov.ua> Hello Mark, For manuals you can try some of these: www.servicemanuals.net or www.vintageaudiomanuals.com or www.getmanual.com or www.servicemanuals.co.in or www.manualscenter.com or www.antechlabs.com/servicemanuals.htm regards, Sergei Friday, June 30, 2006, 4:03:41 AM, you wrote: ME> I tried Audiotalk, but no luck. Can someone please leyt me know where I can ME> download an owners manual for the ST-7. This is my 7th Nakamichi component ME> that I purchased . I've been on Naktalk some 7 years so please help. It's no ME> joke - I love this website. Thanks. ME> - Mark Exstedt ME> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ME> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ME> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ME> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist ME> Maintain your account here: ME> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ME> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Fri Jun 30 13:06:58 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:06:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-7 Owners Manual needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060630070239.03292ec0@pop.videotron.ca> At 22:03 06/29/2006, you wrote: >I tried Audiotalk, but no luck. Can someone please leyt me know >where I can download an owners manual for the ST-7. This is my 7th >Nakamichi component that I purchased . I've been on Naktalk some 7 >years so please help. It's no joke - I love this website. Thanks. >- Mark Exstedt This manual is available on Tomas Larsson web site: http://www.naks.mine.nu/ Direct link: http://www.naks.mine.nu/files/ST7E-ST7_OwnersManual.pdf You may also upload manuals for other components that you have but that you don't see there... From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Jun 30 13:00:19 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:00:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-7 Owners Manual needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark, Sorry for forgetting about this earlier, I can send you a pdf copy but Tomas's website also has one for download. Will send it to you later today cos in the office now. Cheers. >From: "Mark Exstedt" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-7 Owners Manual needed >Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:03:41 -0600 > >I tried Audiotalk, but no luck. Can someone please leyt me know where I can >download an owners manual for the ST-7. This is my 7th Nakamichi component >that I purchased . I've been on Naktalk some 7 years so please help. It's >no joke - I love this website. Thanks. >- Mark Exstedt > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2006\2006-March.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 01:37:58 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:37:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI DA09004B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060301003758.15172.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The answer is on my FAQ page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html "DA09004 - 15 kHz Azimuth Tape - This tape has a 15 kHz signal recorded on it and is used for aligning the PB head azimuth. " The B at the end is the revision and is of no real value. I don't know of any deck that requires a cal tape of a particular revision. Once the PB head is aligned to this tape, the record head is aligned to the PB head. Scott J. --- Pieter Thole wrote: > Hai, > > Is this tape to adjust azimuth on the playback or record head? IE > when you > have a ZX-7, is it of any value? > > regards, > Pieter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From britri at comcast.net Wed Mar 1 09:26:16 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:26:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award In-Reply-To: <43D9BAA1.60408@woods-and-waters.com> References: <43D90FDD.7090907@bellsouth.net> <43D9BAA1.60408@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit, on behalf of the naktalk group and in thanks for your efforts, I finally sent the shockmount. I hope you find it both unique and useful best, Brien On Jan 26, 2006, at 10:16 PM, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Michael, Bala, Graham, Doane, Fred, Alex, and all those who > ordered copies of the Nakathon IIIa, > > > > Michael Moore wrote: >> Greetings from the awards committee for the Atlanta substation of >> Nakophiles, Mike Moore presiding. >> By unanimous vote, the committee has awarded Kermit the very >> rarely granted and most prestigious T-9 award for excellence >> demonstrated in the production of Dragons Rule, the Nak Marathon >> IIIa effort. (The voting was held in secret, that's why you didn't >> receive a ballot). >> Click Kermit's Award >> to see Kermit and the trophy heading for home. >> Perhaps we should consider expanding our proposed world wide >> convocation of Nakophiles to include those off world who might >> have appreciated the broadcasts of music recorded and played back >> on Naks. I mean, that stuff is thirty plus light years out there >> by now. What do you think? > > I'm thrilled! A genuine rare Nakamichi Dragon Toaster! The one with > automatic bread slice azimuth and auto-bagle! Far out! > > I humbly accept this award on behalf of all the two-head Nakamichi > decks who helped make this possible. Makes me wish I had two heads. > Wait a minute -- I do! EEK! > > Seriously, I apreciate the well wishes. It has been a fun project. > > Most of you do not know this, but the fate of my studio and my > tentative plans to restart my 1970s record labels, American > Biograph & Mutophone Records (live recordings only) and Migmatrope > Records (studio releases and demos), has been awaiting the results > of how the Nakathon IIIa CDs and cassettes were received. I've been > debating whether to complete the studio, and if so, how to complete > it. Well, the results are in, and have been a pleasant surprise: > everyone who heard both the cassettes and the CDs has told me that, > although the CDs are excellent, they enjoy the cassettes more. Two > of you gently chided me off-list for being overly critical of the > cassettes. Guilty. > > So, I will be completing the rebirth of my record label, in a > manner far different from my original concept, combining both of > the former labels into (tentatively) Migmatrope Records. Here's the > difference, though -- all the upcoming releases will be available > only on real-time duplicated cassette, RTD reel-to-reel and two LP > formats. No CDs. I'm planning to focus manly on live recordings, > done mainly on my Nak 550s, of course. So, this group helped me > optimize the course of some of my business plans. I'm grateful. > > (By the way, I'm looking forward to hearing some recordings made > live via Nak for upcoming Nakathon IIIb (cassettes made with mics > onto Nak decks). > >> Atlanta Mike > > I'll have to design and build one. An Atlanta mic I mean. Should it > be a dynamic mic with the magnet aligned with the South pole > leading? I wonder. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 14:19:59 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:19:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD700MK 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10603010519t65e089acgf9f122f970a22464@mail.gmail.com> Alex, Please read the messages before your enthusiasm gets the better of you - Christian's TD700 (pls note - TD, not TT) is an in-car unit, so your TT1000 would be totally useless with respect to fixing his TD700. George On 2/27/06, Alex Cozac wrote: > Hello Christian! > > Buy from me my TT 1000-Mk2, I live in Israel...for $:500.00 complete, the > net weight is near 20 kilos...so the shipment from me to your home ask there > where you live how much will cost. > > Mine works, maybe the two belts need to be changed (I still owning a set of > originals, inside plastic bags, ones directly from Nakamichi in Japan), how > long will be good I really don't know, + owner & service manuals. > > If you decide contact directly! > > Be in touch, > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "hardouin" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD700MK 1 > >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:47:22 +0200 > > > >Hi All, > >Anyone of you knows where I can find spres for this model, I am looking for > >he main Pcb which has been damaged from overheating.Your help maight save > >this tape from being thrown away , > >Thabnks and regards > >Christian > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 1 15:35:21 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:35:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD700MK 1 Message-ID: HOOPS!!!! I received a letter directly to my mail...asking for buy my TT 1000/2, maybe he means TT 700 Mk-1 and not the car unit...OK...he must check how much will cost the shipment from Israel where I live to France, where he lives. You know George...I will ask him, now if he really mean the Car unit or make a mistake...and is the tri tracer 700 Mk-1 unit. Thank you George for your observation! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "george valkov" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD700MK 1 >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:19:59 +0000 > >Alex, > >Please read the messages before your enthusiasm gets the better of you >- Christian's TD700 (pls note - TD, not TT) is an in-car unit, so your >TT1000 would be totally useless with respect to fixing his TD700. > >George > >On 2/27/06, Alex Cozac wrote: > > Hello Christian! > > > > Buy from me my TT 1000-Mk2, I live in Israel...for $:500.00 complete, >the > > net weight is near 20 kilos...so the shipment from me to your home ask >there > > where you live how much will cost. > > > > Mine works, maybe the two belts need to be changed (I still owning a set >of > > originals, inside plastic bags, ones directly from Nakamichi in Japan), >how > > long will be good I really don't know, + owner & service manuals. > > > > If you decide contact directly! > > > > Be in touch, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "hardouin" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: > > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD700MK 1 > > >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:47:22 +0200 > > > > > >Hi All, > > >Anyone of you knows where I can find spres for this model, I am looking >for > > >he main Pcb which has been damaged from overheating.Your help maight >save > > >this tape from being thrown away , > > >Thabnks and regards > > >Christian > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 16:38:35 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:38:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 49 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060301153835.88500.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The deck should be adjusted for exactly 50 g-cm on a Sony TW-211 torque meter. Take measurement after letting the deck play a 60 minute for more than 4 minutes. I'm just paraphrasing the service manual. Do you have a torque meter? SJ --- Brandon White wrote: > Hi. I have Nak BX 300 I acquired that needed some service. I put in > the gear > drive mod. I was wondering how much take-up take torgue I should > have now. > The play head was out of alignment, so I set it during playback of > my past > tapes made on my CR-7 and DR-1. > > Thank you > B. White > > > >From: naktalk-request at naks.com > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 49 > >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:24:30 +0100 > > > >Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > > naktalk at naks.com > > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > naktalk-request at naks.com > > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > >than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > > > >Naktalk digest mailing list > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Tape to tape - still (Ron) > > 2. RE: Tape to tape - still (Shaun Montgomery) > > 3. RE: Stephen Sank (Doane Hoag) > > 4. RE: Stephen Sank (Alex Cagann) > > 5. Re: Stephen Sank (Wouter Heijke) > > 6. RE: Stephen Sank (Shaun Montgomery) > > 7. RE: Stephen Sank (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) > > 8. RE: Stephen Sank (Nelson) > > 9. RE: Stephen Sank (Shaun Montgomery) > > 10. Re: Tape to tape - still (Antoine Desch?nes) > > 11. RE: Stephen Sank (Doane Hoag) > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:58:04 -0500 > >From: Ron > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still > >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > > > >Message-ID: <4401B3EC.9030300 at rcn.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > > >I wonder what is the point of reinventing the > >wheel and coming up with new ways of reducing > >noise, when standards -- such as Dolby B or > >DBX -- exist, that have no drawbacks. IOW, what > >is the advantage of coming up with new schemes > >that achieve what existing techniques already > >do quite well. > > > >If I understand correctly, you think that hiss > >is produced because of "the inability of the > >deck to magnetize every oxide particle at low > >flux levels". The way this was explained to me, > >the culprit is the magnetic material itself. > >Each domain is different, randomly, in size > >and orientation than other neighboring domains. > >This inconsistency is the cause of noise. The > >level of tape noise is far higher than noise > >from the electronics. > > > >I wonder how can the deck alleviate deficiencies > >inherent in the tape itself. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > >Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > > Hi Doane, > > > > > > Doane Hoag wrote: > > >> Kermit: "It's also why I'm developing a cassette deck that is > as quiet > > >> as a > > >> Dolby > > >> deck, but needs no noise reduction to be that quiet." > > >> > > >> That sounds interesting, but even if you could get rid of the > deck's > > >> generated noise, how would you deal with the small, cassette > tape > >format, > > >> existing tape noise itself, which is the cause of most of the > noise in > > >> cassettes? > > > > > > Well, firstly, that is what most of my R&D effort has been > about. You've > > > hit the crux of the problem. The exact answer comes under the > headings > > > of trade secrets and patent issues. I've found the cause of the > cassette > > > tape's inherent noise is, largely, the inability of the deck to > > > magnetize every oxide particle at low flux levels. These > low-level > > > unmagnetized particles create random shot noise, heard as hiss. > > > > > > The deck, therefore, must be able to do two things: magnetize > every > > > particle at low levels and record at the highest level possible > to > > > extend dynamic range. My experiments have yielded, so far, > > > signal-to-noise ratios of -68 dB (IEC A weighted, referred to > 165 > > > nW/meter flux levels at 1000 cps) on Quantegy 472 cassettes -- > with no > > > noise reduction. > > > > > > The total dynamic range I've achieved in the lab, so far, is 82 > dB from > > > noise floor to the onset of tape clipping (or, 5% IMD, 700:4400 > cps > > > mixed 4:1). I think I know a way that I can do better, so I'm > holding up > > > production of the cassette deck until I've bettered these > figures. > > > Obviously, this deck, once it reaches production, will be an > extreme > > > piece of engineering. But, it's designed to appeal to those who > revel in > > > uncompromised analog. > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:57:45 -0000 > >From: "Shaun Montgomery" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape to tape - still > >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > > >Message-ID: <002201c63ae5$01b26c70$7300a8c0 at Shaun> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > > > >..I wonder how can the deck alleviate deficiencies > > >..inherent in the tape itself. > > > >I imagine by doing something either before or during the recording > process > >that once done changes the properties of the magnetic particles in > such a > >way that the end result is less hiss > > > >Perhaps there is even an underlying reason for the R & D. Maybe, > just > >maybe, > >Dolby laboratories might get wind of the research and buy it out > for a > >substantial sum of money! After all, the motor industry has long > been > >guilty > >of that trick/ > > > >Shaun > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:19:11 -0800 > >From: "Doane Hoag" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > >Isn't there any way to email him and get him on this board and > find out > >what's happening with him?...does he ever, or has he ever posted > on > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Wed Mar 1 17:24:50 2006 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:24:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3300xCrossfield Reel to Reel Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3C06EC5@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Anyone have an opinion on whether one of these is worth picking up cheaply? I remain interested, despite my love of Naks, to the mechanical advantages of faster tape speed and longer continuous playing time. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 1 18:14:35 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:14:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Ferrograph Recorder In-Reply-To: <4403122B.3080604@rcn.com> Message-ID: <004201c63d53$9d3df0e0$79c287d9@oemcomputer> See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5874275218&rd=1&sspagenam e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 if you're also interested in Ferrograph recorders. One for you, Kermit? Or Bala? The seller is actually Jeff Rabin, the hi fi correspondent. Gra' > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Mar 1 21:36:39 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:36:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award Message-ID: <009DF992-096E-4942-A7D5-47581D7DCCA3@alumni.caltech.edu> Kermit, I noticed that you have Tap Electronics listed on your page as a place to get Nakamichi repaired. You should note that they don't do Naks anymore as of this year. They had one guy who was trained by Nak, but was an independent contractor rather than an actual employee, and it also appears that he has some kind of business that he runs/has been trying to get off the ground that has nothing to do with Nak. As of this year (2006) he wanted to spend time on that and they wanted the shop space, so he doesn't work there any more. I have some contact info as my 1000zxls were some of the last machines he did and have sort of extended warranty on it. He's pretty good, but can be slow as it's not his top priority. I ended up figuring out my bad orange cap with the help of this list while I was waiting to arrange a time for him to come out (which was partly because I was busy, not just because he was taking time). I don't know how much he'd be willing to take on some local work, it probably depends on whether he needs it to finance his other business vs. how much time he needs to put into it. 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Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Mar 1 23:42:32 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:42:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award In-Reply-To: <009DF992-096E-4942-A7D5-47581D7DCCA3@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <009DF992-096E-4942-A7D5-47581D7DCCA3@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <44062358.70003@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Kimo, Thanks for the update! I'll be revising my website this weekend so your timing is perfect! Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Kermit, > I noticed that you have Tap Electronics listed on your page as a > place to get Nakamichi > repaired. You should note that they don't do Naks anymore as of this > year. They had one > guy who was trained by Nak, but was an independent contractor rather > than an actual employee, and > it also appears that he has some kind of business that he runs/has > been trying to get off the ground > that has nothing to do with Nak. As of this year (2006) he wanted to > spend time on that and they wanted > the shop space, so he doesn't work there any more. I have some > contact info as my 1000zxls were some > of the last machines he did and have sort of extended warranty on it. > He's pretty good, but can be slow > as it's not his top priority. I ended up figuring out my bad orange > cap with the help of this list while I was > waiting to arrange a time for him to come out (which was partly > because I was busy, not just because he > was taking time). I don't know how much he'd be willing to take on > some local work, it probably depends on > whether he needs it to finance his other business vs. how much time > he needs to put into it. I have no idea > what the other venture is.-kby -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 05:05:21 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:05:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Ferrograph Recorder In-Reply-To: <004201c63d53$9d3df0e0$79c287d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060302040521.82066.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmm.. I am going to seriously consider this to accompany my Revox G36 and Tandberg Model 12. Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Nelson wrote: See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5874275218&rd=1&sspagenam e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 if you're also interested in Ferrograph recorders. One for you, Kermit? Or Bala? The seller is actually Jeff Rabin, the hi fi correspondent. Gra' > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Mar 2 05:32:04 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:32:04 EST Subject: [naktalk] Wireless Remote control for Nakamichi Dragon Message-ID: Hi Everyone! Some nice guy! here was working o a wireless remote control for the Dragon, what happened to that project?! Would like to have schematics on how to build one for my Nakamichi Dragon. Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 06:19:44 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:19:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: <009DF992-096E-4942-A7D5-47581D7DCCA3@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060302051944.44223.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I caught up with an old hand who until recently had serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a few others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out in less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of those here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more head wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow Nakkers concur this figure? Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramvem at hotmail.com Thu Mar 2 09:23:49 2006 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 00:23:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] documentary on Jack Mullen & Ampex Message-ID: Hi Fellow Nakkers This was in the newspaper today. They are making a documentary on how magnetic recording took off in America after World War II. The name of the documentary is "Sound Man", and its being made by TV reporter Scott Budman and KNTV journalist Don Hardy. Apparently Jack Mullen was sent to UK to study German radar-jamming technology during the war. The original mission didn't work out but instead he learnt about magnetic recording technology. He was curious as to how Hitler sounded live in so many radio broadcasts. He stumbled upon a German radio station and found some Magnetophones that he took apart and took back to the US and started showing this around. At the time in 46 Ampex was a small company looking for post-war work and latched on to Jack Mullen's presentation. They hired him as a consultant and he build the legendary Ampex 200. Apparently he also invented the concept of "laugh track" and played a major role in developing multi-track recording. These journalists got curious originally when they wondered what the big Ampex sign was that you can see from highway 101 in Redwood City, California when you're stuck in traffic. I myself have driven past it countless times and when I was reading the newspaper article it was as if a bulb switched on. Anyway, interesting reading. Looking forward to seeing the documentary when its out. Happy Listening Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramvem at hotmail.com Thu Mar 2 09:27:22 2006 From: ramvem at hotmail.com (Ram Vemuri) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 00:27:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: documentary on Jack Mullen & Ampex Message-ID: Sorry! Apparenly the documentary is already released. In my area its playing in Camera 12 Cinema, 201 South 2nd Street, San Jose, CA. (Ticket $9) - www.cinequest.org Ram ----- Original Message ----- From: Ram Vemuri To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 12:23 AM Subject: documentary on Jack Mullen & Ampex Hi Fellow Nakkers This was in the newspaper today. They are making a documentary on how magnetic recording took off in America after World War II. The name of the documentary is "Sound Man", and its being made by TV reporter Scott Budman and KNTV journalist Don Hardy. Apparently Jack Mullen was sent to UK to study German radar-jamming technology during the war. The original mission didn't work out but instead he learnt about magnetic recording technology. He was curious as to how Hitler sounded live in so many radio broadcasts. He stumbled upon a German radio station and found some Magnetophones that he took apart and took back to the US and started showing this around. At the time in 46 Ampex was a small company looking for post-war work and latched on to Jack Mullen's presentation. They hired him as a consultant and he build the legendary Ampex 200. Apparently he also invented the concept of "laugh track" and played a major role in developing multi-track recording. These journalists got curious originally when they wondered what the big Ampex sign was that you can see from highway 101 in Redwood City, California when you're stuck in traffic. I myself have driven past it countless times and when I was reading the newspaper article it was as if a bulb switched on. Anyway, interesting reading. Looking forward to seeing the documentary when its out. Happy Listening Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 09:42:18 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 00:42:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3300xCrossfield Reel to Reel In-Reply-To: <2bc.5e9fc23.31378a81@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060302084218.56308.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dean, I think the 9100X looks much similiar to the 10XD series. My 10XD has a head which has uneven wear and needs replacement. The logic has gone bad and the audio system needs re-capping. The 'stick-shift' would be similiar to my Tandberg Model12. I really love the way they were built. I saw that soundsmith has a replacement motor kit for the capstan motors on the 10XD. Mine is alright, but since it needs major rework, I might just send it to someone who worrks on them. Regards Bala Ganesh N4229K at aol.com wrote: Tandberg decks with the crossfield are outstanding especially the 10XD or 10X. Its a 15, 7 1/2, 3 3/4 ips deck and its 3 3/4 is as good as other decks at 7 1/2. Its younger brother the 9100X or 9xxx series are good 7" reel decks also. I own two 10XDs (one an original purchase back in 1976) and a 9100X which I would be willing to sell for a reasonable price. All of the above are solenoid operated. The 3xxx series has a manual "stick shift" type control and no logic. I rebuild Tandberg and Technics RTRs and some Nak decks primarily the BX and RX series. I do this as a hobby and for relaxation. I hope this helps. Dean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Mar 2 10:06:34 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:06:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate Message-ID: Hi Bala, This 10 hours thing is not, with the wildest stretch of the imagination true or possible. Firstly, on wear in general, Nakamichi heads are triple precision laminated, with a propritary polylaminate to protect the highly polished miniaturised heads. The double capstan design of the Nakamichi mechanism, both with two and three head configurations is so accurate that it dispenses with the cassettes own spring-loaded felt pad, with the pad lifter mounted round the head itself. Not only does this elimate tape skewing with its associated problems but it drastically reduces both tape and head wear by all but eliminating the continuous, potentially abrasive rubbing of the tape against the head to ensure tape to head contact. As for the alledgedly abrasive nature of metal tapes versus non-metal ones, I have never experienced this or concluded from personal experience (which involves playing type IVs a lot) to be true. Whether it is founded in myth, legend or good solid physics I don't know. I grant that early pure metal formulae which lacked immersion doping or featured much larger particles than present - may have presented wear challenges. Metallurgically, (I wonder if Kannan can assist here) pure unoxidised iron particles would be rougher and tougher than oxidised ones, but they'd have to be mighty big to exert an overty abrasive influence. Todays type IVs have far smaller particles than those when metals were first introduced around 1980. Type IV tape represents the best of analogue cassette - depending on deck overload characteristics, 4-5dB more above the line than type II, albeit with slightly higher noise floors as a rule. This, together with an unmistakable tonal power and solidity puts the type in an altogether different and superior class. Like many of you, I too enjoy type IIs a lot, but I wouldn't encourage any undue fear of metals due to tenuous beliefs of head wear. Best to all, Marc >>> bg3009 at yahoo.com 3/2/2006 7:19:44 AM >>> Hi everyone, I caught up with an old hand who until recently had serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a few others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out in less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of those here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more head wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow Nakkers concur this figure? Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From britri at comcast.net Thu Mar 2 10:07:26 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 01:07:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3300xCrossfield Reel to Reel In-Reply-To: <2bc.5e9fc23.31378a81@aol.com> References: <2bc.5e9fc23.31378a81@aol.com> Message-ID: <4320CD6C-A0F2-45C3-8377-488D36BF34EE@comcast.net> I am a tandberg open reel enthiusiast too. I urge you to go for the logic solenoid based units. The operation is so smooth! best, Brien On Mar 1, 2006, at 3:38 PM, N4229K at aol.com wrote: > Tandberg decks with the crossfield are outstanding especially the > 10XD or 10X. Its a 15, 7 1/2, 3 3/4 ips deck and its 3 3/4 is as > good as other decks at 7 1/2. Its younger brother the 9100X or > 9xxx series are good 7" reel decks also. I own two 10XDs (one an > original purchase back in 1976) and a 9100X which I would be > willing to sell for a reasonable price. All of the above are > solenoid operated. The 3xxx series has a manual "stick shift" type > control and no logic. > I rebuild Tandberg and Technics RTRs and some Nak decks primarily > the BX and RX series. I do this as a hobby and for relaxation. > I hope this helps. > > Dean > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Like a few > others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of > chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out in > less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of those > here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more head > wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow Nakkers > concur this figure? > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -- From daveharris at clear.net.nz Thu Mar 2 10:34:02 2006 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:34:02 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Chinese Cassette Deck World Message-ID: <005601c63ddc$7211b3a0$bb6065da@riccarton.school.nz> This is in Chinese but it looks interesting - Naks and other cassette Decks http://www.kazuo.com.cn/index.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 10:55:45 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 01:55:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060302095545.41203.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Well that would certainly put a few of my decks off as they have seen heavy Type IV usage. I do not have much data to justify this as yet. This is cetainly a topic for discussion! Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs jerryjg wrote: On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:19:44 -0600, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Please, BAla, this cannot be true?10 hours, of which it is very probable,being pre-owned units, that all three of my Naks may have many more hours Type IV than this.Maybe i should immidiatly abandon all plans to use metal tape-not that i have that many . The Master of tape type , Marc Hugo, could certainly speak up about this, except he must be very busy, for i have not heard from him on this forum for awhile. > Hi everyone, > I caught up with an old hand who until recently had > serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we > talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a few > others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of > chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out in > less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of those > here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more head > wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow Nakkers > concur this figure? > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Mar 2 12:21:34 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:21:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Head Wear: Type IV Message-ID: Sorry!! Forgot to select "All recipients" Yes, good idea Bala. I'll do some research and see if I can come up with a verifiable scientific basis upon which this reputation was founded. Kind regards, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From N4229K at aol.com Thu Mar 2 14:04:42 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:04:42 EST Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3300xCrossfield Reel to Reel Message-ID: <1d6.4f66480d.3138476a@aol.com> Hi Bala: I have a 10XD that is in super shape that I totally reworked but it seems record head is bad (intermittent) on one channel. I would be willing to sell for a fair price or if your record/bias heads are good I would be willing to buy. On the other hand I do have some parts you may want such as a capstan motor etc. I am presently in search for a record / bias head pair for this deck, Regards, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He has just not gotten around to making more (I have an order for 3) and it been about a year. He has a real job also and this stuff is spare time stuff for most of us. Just like I have about 30+ cassette deck and RTRs to rework. I'm way behind because my house is being rebuilt and I'm waiting for it to be finished. You know how that goes. Also 90% of my gear is in storage at my hanger until home is finished. The bright side is I have an expanded workshop with all the bells and whistles. Well, enough rambling. Regards, Dean Hi Everyone! Some nice guy! here was working o a wireless remote control for the Dragon, what happened to that project?! Would like to have schematics on how to build one for my Nakamichi Dragon. Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 2 15:59:47 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:59:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: <20060302051944.44223.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060302051944.44223.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44070863.9000000@rcn.com> I have read about metal tape abrasiveness as well, but there were also articles that claimed Chrome tapes were even more abrasive... I can't bring myself to worry about it. First, I record and play a mix of tape types, so it's impossible for me to predict head life. Second, even on a pure type IV diet, I suspect my CR-7 heads will live long after me. The deck may die one day due to other causes, such as a mechanical problem, or the demise of an impossible to replace component -- processor, memory or even an open head winding. To me, head wear is a non-issue... -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I caught up with an old hand who until recently had > serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we > talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a few > others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of > chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out in > less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of those > here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more head > wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow Nakkers > concur this figure? > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 2 16:03:55 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:03:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: References: <20060302051944.44223.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4407095B.5010503@rcn.com> I took it to mean, 10K hours (10,000 hours). This is the number usually quoted for later Nak heads. -- Ron jerryjg wrote: > On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:19:44 -0600, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: > Please, BAla, this cannot be true?10 hours, of which it is very > probable,being pre-owned units, that all three of my Naks may have many > more hours Type IV than this.Maybe i should immidiatly abandon all > plans to use metal tape-not that i have that many . The Master of tape > type , Marc Hugo, could certainly speak up about this, except he must be > very busy, for i have not heard from him on this forum for awhile. >> Hi everyone, >> I caught up with an old hand who until recently had >> serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we >> talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a >> few others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of >> chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out >> in less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of >> those here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more >> head wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow >> Nakkers concur this figure? >> Regards >> Bala Ganesh >> 79Labs From ddino77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 2 16:33:54 2006 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:33:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate Message-ID: <410-22006342153354345@earthlink.net> Yes metal does have better performance, even the early stuff. However, I recently was told the same thing (it eats heads at a much faster rate, in other words use chrome instead) and this from a chap who relaps heads for a living...... > [Original Message] > From: Marc hugo > To: ; > Date: 3/2/2006 8:06:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate > > Hi Bala, > > This 10 hours thing is not, with the wildest stretch of the imagination true or possible. Firstly, on wear in general, Nakamichi heads are triple precision laminated, with a propritary polylaminate to protect the highly polished miniaturised heads. The double capstan design of the Nakamichi mechanism, both with two and three head configurations is so accurate that it dispenses with the cassettes own spring-loaded felt pad, with the pad lifter mounted round the head itself. Not only does this elimate tape skewing with its associated problems but it drastically reduces both tape and head wear by all but eliminating the continuous, potentially abrasive rubbing of the tape against the head to ensure tape to head contact. > > As for the alledgedly abrasive nature of metal tapes versus non-metal ones, I have never experienced this or concluded from personal experience (which involves playing type IVs a lot) to be true. Whether it is founded in myth, legend or good solid physics I don't know. I grant that early pure metal formulae which lacked immersion doping or featured much larger particles than present - may have presented wear challenges. Metallurgically, (I wonder if Kannan can assist here) pure unoxidised iron particles would be rougher and tougher than oxidised ones, but they'd have to be mighty big to exert an overty abrasive influence. Todays type IVs have far smaller particles than those when metals were first introduced around 1980. > > Type IV tape represents the best of analogue cassette - depending on deck overload characteristics, 4-5dB more above the line than type II, albeit with slightly higher noise floors as a rule. This, together with an unmistakable tonal power and solidity puts the type in an altogether different and superior class. > > Like many of you, I too enjoy type IIs a lot, but I wouldn't encourage any undue fear of metals due to tenuous beliefs of head wear. > > Best to all, > > Marc > > >>> bg3009 at yahoo.com 3/2/2006 7:19:44 AM >>> > Hi everyone, > > I caught up with an old hand who until recently had serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a few others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out in less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of those here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more head wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow Nakkers concur this figure? > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 16:56:11 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:56:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3300xCrossfield Reel to Reel In-Reply-To: <1d6.4f66480d.3138476a@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060302155611.37207.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dean, I have not checked the record bias heads either, but I am intending to get the deck fully restored. The motors are in good shape. Another problem is the logic board which uses HTL logic! Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs N4229K at aol.com wrote: Hi Bala: I have a 10XD that is in super shape that I totally reworked but it seems record head is bad (intermittent) on one channel. I would be willing to sell for a fair price or if your record/bias heads are good I would be willing to buy. On the other hand I do have some parts you may want such as a capstan motor etc. I am presently in search for a record / bias head pair for this deck, Regards, Dean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! 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This is the number usually quoted for later Nak heads. -- Ron jerryjg wrote: > On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:19:44 -0600, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: > Please, BAla, this cannot be true?10 hours, of which it is very > probable,being pre-owned units, that all three of my Naks may have many > more hours Type IV than this.Maybe i should immidiatly abandon all > plans to use metal tape-not that i have that many . The Master of tape > type , Marc Hugo, could certainly speak up about this, except he must be > very busy, for i have not heard from him on this forum for awhile. >> Hi everyone, >> I caught up with an old hand who until recently had >> serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we >> talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a >> few others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of >> chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out >> in less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of >> those here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more >> head wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow >> Nakkers concur this figure? >> Regards >> Bala Ganesh >> 79Labs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Mar 2 18:13:25 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:13:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: <410-22006342153354345@earthlink.net> Message-ID: But, not Nak heads, right.. probably reel to reel? Doane ----------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dan Dinhofer Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:34 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com; bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate Yes metal does have better performance, even the early stuff. However, I recently was told the same thing (it eats heads at a much faster rate, in other words use chrome instead) and this from a chap who relaps heads for a living...... > [Original Message] > From: Marc hugo > To: ; > Date: 3/2/2006 8:06:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate > > Hi Bala, > > This 10 hours thing is not, with the wildest stretch of the imagination true or possible. Firstly, on wear in general, Nakamichi heads are triple precision laminated, with a propritary polylaminate to protect the highly polished miniaturised heads. The double capstan design of the Nakamichi mechanism, both with two and three head configurations is so accurate that it dispenses with the cassettes own spring-loaded felt pad, with the pad lifter mounted round the head itself. Not only does this elimate tape skewing with its associated problems but it drastically reduces both tape and head wear by all but eliminating the continuous, potentially abrasive rubbing of the tape against the head to ensure tape to head contact. > > As for the alledgedly abrasive nature of metal tapes versus non-metal ones, I have never experienced this or concluded from personal experience (which involves playing type IVs a lot) to be true. Whether it is founded in myth, legend or good solid physics I don't know. I grant that early pure metal formulae which lacked immersion doping or featured much larger particles than present - may have presented wear challenges. Metallurgically, (I wonder if Kannan can assist here) pure unoxidised iron particles would be rougher and tougher than oxidised ones, but they'd have to be mighty big to exert an overty abrasive influence. Todays type IVs have far smaller particles than those when metals were first introduced around 1980. > > Type IV tape represents the best of analogue cassette - depending on deck overload characteristics, 4-5dB more above the line than type II, albeit with slightly higher noise floors as a rule. This, together with an unmistakable tonal power and solidity puts the type in an altogether different and superior class. > > Like many of you, I too enjoy type IIs a lot, but I wouldn't encourage any undue fear of metals due to tenuous beliefs of head wear. > > Best to all, > > Marc > > >>> bg3009 at yahoo.com 3/2/2006 7:19:44 AM >>> > Hi everyone, > > I caught up with an old hand who until recently had serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a few others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out in less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of those here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more head wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow Nakkers concur this figure? > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Mar 2 18:48:43 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:48:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate References: <20060302095545.41203.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c63e21$8dcc57e0$57d117c4@home> Absolutely no topic for discussion---the statement is ludicrous--why would Nakamichi punt their ZX C90 (type IV) tape as a top tape under their own brand if it destroys their lovely machine within 10 hours?--absolute bollox--don't even bother to find scientific support for or against the statement or clog up these pages with discussion about it! If the statement were true that would be worse than hara-kiri for Nakamichi Corporation! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate Hi guys, Well that would certainly put a few of my decks off as they have seen heavy Type IV usage. I do not have much data to justify this as yet. This is cetainly a topic for discussion! Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs jerryjg wrote: On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:19:44 -0600, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Please, BAla, this cannot be true?10 hours, of which it is very probable,being pre-owned units, that all three of my Naks may have many more hours Type IV than this.Maybe i should immidiatly abandon all plans to use metal tape-not that i have that many . The Master of tape type , Marc Hugo, could certainly speak up about this, except he must be very busy, for i have not heard from him on this! forum for awhile. > Hi everyone, > I caught up with an old hand who until recently had > serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we > talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a few > others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of > chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out in > less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of those > here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more head > wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow Nakkers > concur this figure? > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <20060209052139.39192.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200602081101.k18B0IrI016545@zxe.naks.com> <20060209052139.39192.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <666ef2ff0603021040y5b787982h41f463083fb1bdb9@mail.gmail.com> An MR-1 that I use had this problem with the deck stopping spontaneously in play mode. Following some advice on a discussion board I found with Google, I let it run in FF mode continously for several hours. This seems to have done something good since the problem has not happened since then with tens of hours of play. I guess there was some oxidation or something in the reel motor that creates a "dead spot" causing the motor to stop when in play mode. Cheers, John On 2/8/06, senthil nathan wrote: > hi kannan > pardon my ignorence ....wat do u mean by .. > 1. "Reel motor has spots and does not rotate" ....wat are spots in a reel > motor ? > > ..is it easy to locate the Spool sensor and check for stray wires in a > bx300? > ..........anyway thanks a lot for the info ... > > regards > > senthil > > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:41:54 -0800 (PST) > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 play engages & disengages in few secs > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <20060207224154.89815.qmail at web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Only two to three reasons for this problem - if the play functions for > a second or so- assuming mode cam motor works correctly based on this > observation. > 1. Reel motor has spots and does not rotate ( check without any tape > - play should work or rewind / FF wrk without tapes. > 2. Spool sensor behind the reel hubs not functioning ( or a wire > soldered to the sensors have come off ) > This can be checked - if service manual is available - check the > connection at the mother board using DMM with logic function. You will see > the logic goes high an dlow as the reflector rotates. If there is no > change in logic ( due to connection drop or malfunctioning Spool sensor ) > that is th! > e cause - > Since all functions are not working - it could be > the main problem. I have seen the spool senor pcb ( which has optical > sensors mounted with other circuit elements) had failed in one BX300. > Locating replacement was difficult. > Kannan > > > ________________________________ > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Mar 2 19:42:45 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:42:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44073CA5.5020604@cox.net> I've only seen one Nak head wear to the point of needing replacement, and that was on a 480 which was used for background music by a restaurant. I think they ran it all day, every day, and it was located somewhere in their kitchen because the machine was coated inside and out with an awful layer of greasy stuff. A real mess. I don't know what sort of tapes they played in it. Tim Doane Hoag wrote: >Does anyone even know of any Nak heads wearing out? So far, I've never seen >it happen. Maybe, if it does, it would be more likely caused by use of cheap >tapes, not chrome, or metal tapes specifically. IMHO > >Doane >--------------------- > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Ron >Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:04 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate > > >I took it to mean, 10K hours (10,000 hours). This >is the number usually quoted for later Nak heads. > >-- Ron > > >jerryjg wrote: > > >>On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:19:44 -0600, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> wrote: >>Please, BAla, this cannot be true?10 hours, of which it is very >>probable,being pre-owned units, that all three of my Naks may have many >>more hours Type IV than this.Maybe i should immidiatly abandon all >>plans to use metal tape-not that i have that many . The Master of tape >>type , Marc Hugo, could certainly speak up about this, except he must be >>very busy, for i have not heard from him on this forum for awhile. >> >> >>>Hi everyone, >>> I caught up with an old hand who until recently had >>>serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we >>>talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a >>>few others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of >>>chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out >>>in less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of >>>those here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more >>>head wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow >>>Nakkers concur this figure? >>>Regards >>> Bala Ganesh >>> 79Labs >>> >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 19:57:39 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:57:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: <410-22006342153354345@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060302185739.57772.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nak Pressure pad lifter and a very very small tape tension across head between dual capstans make the head wear literally nothing on a dual capstan Nak with pressure pad lifter. Secondly Metal tape gives fanatstic response both IM Distortion and S/N ratio areas when you comapre them to any Type II tape. I have used metal tapes extensively on many of my Naks and have not seen any head wear at all. And I have never heard of any Nak heads being relapped. Only Naktalk had posts from Salim that some heads were corroded in storage ( Indonesia). However you can see head wear very clearly on Nak two heads without pressure pad lifter - BX1, 100.150, 2, CR1,2 DR3 Cassette Deck 2etc. Again you donot see such wear on 480, 580 due entirely to Pressure pad lifter Kannan Dan Dinhofer wrote: Yes metal does have better performance, even the early stuff. However, I recently was told the same thing (it eats heads at a much faster rate, in other words use chrome instead) and this from a chap who relaps heads for a living...... > [Original Message] > From: Marc hugo > To: ; > Date: 3/2/2006 8:06:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate > > Hi Bala, > > This 10 hours thing is not, with the wildest stretch of the imagination true or possible. Firstly, on wear in general, Nakamichi heads are triple precision laminated, with a propritary polylaminate to protect the highly polished miniaturised heads. The double capstan design of the Nakamichi mechanism, both with two and three head configurations is so accurate that it dispenses with the cassettes own spring-loaded felt pad, with the pad lifter mounted round the head itself. Not only does this elimate tape skewing with its associated problems but it drastically reduces both tape and head wear by all but eliminating the continuous, potentially abrasive rubbing of the tape against the head to ensure tape to head contact. > > As for the alledgedly abrasive nature of metal tapes versus non-metal ones, I have never experienced this or concluded from personal experience (which involves playing type IVs a lot) to be true. Whether it is founded in myth, legend or good solid physics I don't know. I grant that early pure metal formulae which lacked immersion doping or featured much larger particles than present - may have presented wear challenges. Metallurgically, (I wonder if Kannan can assist here) pure unoxidised iron particles would be rougher and tougher than oxidised ones, but they'd have to be mighty big to exert an overty abrasive influence. Todays type IVs have far smaller particles than those when metals were first introduced around 1980. > > Type IV tape represents the best of analogue cassette - depending on deck overload characteristics, 4-5dB more above the line than type II, albeit with slightly higher noise floors as a rule. This, together with an unmistakable tonal power and solidity puts the type in an altogether different and superior class. > > Like many of you, I too enjoy type IIs a lot, but I wouldn't encourage any undue fear of metals due to tenuous beliefs of head wear. > > Best to all, > > Marc > > >>> bg3009 at yahoo.com 3/2/2006 7:19:44 AM >>> > Hi everyone, > > I caught up with an old hand who until recently had serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a few others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out in less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of those here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more head wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow Nakkers concur this figure? > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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For those interested in tape heads in general go to: http://www.jrfmagnetics.com/tapeheadintro.html Should keep you busy regards Terry Original Message ----- From: drewes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate Absolutely no topic for discussion---the statement is ludicrous--why would Nakamichi punt their ZX C90 (type IV) tape as a top tape under their own brand if it destroys their lovely machine within 10 hours?--absolute bollox--don't even bother to find scientific support for or against the statement or clog up these pages with discussion about it! If the statement were true that would be worse than hara-kiri for Nakamichi Corporation! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Thu Mar 2 20:16:41 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:16:41 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate References: Message-ID: <00c201c63e2d$d64033a0$302899de@tec> I had to replace my 600 head last year, but the issue was not so much head gap wear, as the tape guides were worn and the head was eating tapes. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doane Hoag" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" ; Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate > > But, not Nak heads, right.. probably reel to reel? > > Doane > ----------------- > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Dan Dinhofer > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:34 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com; > bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate > > > Yes metal does have better performance, even the early stuff. However, I > recently was told the same thing (it eats heads at > a much faster rate, in other words use chrome instead) and this from a > chap > who relaps heads for a living...... > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Marc hugo >> To: ; >> Date: 3/2/2006 8:06:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate >> >> Hi Bala, >> >> This 10 hours thing is not, with the wildest stretch of the imagination > true or possible. Firstly, on wear in general, Nakamichi heads are triple > precision laminated, with a propritary polylaminate to protect the highly > polished miniaturised heads. The double capstan design of the Nakamichi > mechanism, both with two and three head configurations is so accurate that > it dispenses with the cassettes own spring-loaded felt pad, with the pad > lifter mounted round the head itself. Not only does this elimate tape > skewing with its associated problems but it drastically reduces both tape > and head wear by all but eliminating the continuous, potentially abrasive > rubbing of the tape against the head to ensure tape to head contact. >> >> As for the alledgedly abrasive nature of metal tapes versus non-metal > ones, I have never experienced this or concluded from personal experience > (which involves playing type IVs a lot) to be true. Whether it is founded > in myth, legend or good solid physics I don't know. I grant that early > pure > metal formulae which lacked immersion doping or featured much larger > particles than present - may have presented wear challenges. > Metallurgically, (I wonder if Kannan can assist here) pure unoxidised iron > particles would be rougher and tougher than oxidised ones, but they'd have > to be mighty big to exert an overty abrasive influence. Todays type IVs > have far smaller particles than those when metals were first introduced > around 1980. >> >> Type IV tape represents the best of analogue cassette - depending on deck > overload characteristics, 4-5dB more above the line than type II, albeit > with slightly higher noise floors as a rule. This, together with an > unmistakable tonal power and solidity puts the type in an altogether > different and superior class. >> >> Like many of you, I too enjoy type IIs a lot, but I wouldn't encourage > any undue fear of metals due to tenuous beliefs of head wear. >> >> Best to all, >> >> Marc >> >> >>> bg3009 at yahoo.com 3/2/2006 7:19:44 AM >>> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I caught up with an old hand who until recently had > serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we talked > about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a few others, > I > am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of chromes. It seems > the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out in less the 10 hours > of > use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of those here. Many have said > that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more head wear, but I have yet to > see a definitive figure. So can fellow Nakkers concur this figure? >> >> Regards >> Bala Ganesh >> 79Labs >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Mail >> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. >> >> The information contained in this email is confidential and may be >> subject >> to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or > more >> attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use > of the >> named recipient/s. >> >> If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, > disclose >> or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in > reliance on it. >> If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by > replying to >> this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your > computer. >> >> All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are > present >> in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss > or damage arising >> from the use of this email or attachments. >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 04:48:25 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:48:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: <002001c63e21$8dcc57e0$57d117c4@home> Message-ID: <20060303034825.54822.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Walter, Well we know they committed Hara-kiri in more spectacular ways that led to a change in fortunes. Head wear is something very common in professional reel to reel, in we use mostly normal formulations (approx.). But given the tape width and speeds, that is to be expected. At the scale of cassettes, head wear really should not be an issue. But because of metal tapes and their nature, are slightly more abrasive which is bad news for tape heads on the long run. Now personally, when the guy told me 10 hours, I was awestruck. I don't think Nakamichi would have shipped one deck that wears out like that. But I do know that accelarated tape head wear does happen - number people who have been in the business for as long as three decades and more have concurred so. If these guys, and my assumption is wrong, thats really good news because I can play my Type IV without worry. So can all if we. Unless anyone can tell me of a guy who's cousin's friends brother knows a guy who has a stockpile of Nakamichi heads. Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs drewes wrote: Absolutely no topic for discussion---the statement is ludicrous--why would Nakamichi punt their ZX C90 (type IV) tape as a top tape under their own brand if it destroys their lovely machine within 10 hours?--absolute bollox--don't even bother to find scientific support for or against the statement or clog up these pages with discussion about it! If the statement were true that would be worse than hara-kiri for Nakamichi Corporation! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate Hi guys, Well that would certainly put a few of my decks off as they have seen heavy Type IV usage. I do not have much data to justify this as yet. This is cetainly a topic for discussion! Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs jerryjg wrote: On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:19:44 -0600, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Please, BAla, this cannot be true?10 hours, of which it is very probable,being pre-owned units, that all three of my Naks may have many more hours Type IV than this.Maybe i should immidiatly abandon all plans to use metal tape-not that i have that many . The Master of tape type , Marc Hugo, could certainly speak up about this, except he must be very busy, for i have not heard from him on this! forum for awhile. > Hi everyone, > I caught up with an old hand who until recently had > serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we > talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a few > others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of > chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out in > less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of those > here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more head > wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow Nakkers > concur this figure? > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! 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URL: From Ws407c at aol.com Fri Mar 3 15:36:31 2006 From: Ws407c at aol.com (Ws407c at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:36:31 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 37, Issue 5 , Re: Nak heads wear rate(dave) Message-ID: <12c.6fe6d397.3139ae6f@aol.com> I prefer type IV metal and am not worried about wearing out my ZX-9's heads in any way. The capstan bearings will wear out before the heads do. These machines need to be used and believe me I am using mine. Those that are worried about using metal tapes can sell them to me , I'll take 'em. Dave In a message dated 3/3/2006 6:04:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, naktalk-request at naks.com writes: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:48:43 +0200 From: "drewes" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <002001c63e21$8dcc57e0$57d117c4 at home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Absolutely no topic for discussion---the statement is ludicrous--why would Nakamichi punt their ZX C90 (type IV) tape as a top tape under their own brand if it destroys their lovely machine within 10 hours?--absolute bollox--don't even bother to find scientific support for or against the statement or clog up these pages with discussion about it! If the statement were true that would be worse than hara-kiri for Nakamichi Corporation! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Fri Mar 3 18:47:49 2006 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:47:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: <200603031102.k23B0gMN007765@zxe.naks.com> References: <200603031102.k23B0gMN007765@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Simple test here: most of us have owned at least one of our Nak decks for years, or even decades. If the heads wore out in ten hours of use, wouldn't at least ONE of us have noticed it? Occam's razor says that he meant 10,000 hours, a much more reasonable figure; this would be more than a full year of continuous 24x7 playing, like leaving a tape playing in your Dragon while taking a sabbatical to the South Pole on foot. From N4229K at aol.com Fri Mar 3 20:10:04 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:10:04 EST Subject: [naktalk] bx300 reel motor"spots"??? Message-ID: <242.7eda006.3139ee8c@aol.com> This is caused by a worn idler tire and FF polishes off a layer of harded rubber. I'll sell you a new tire for $5 if you need one Dean An MR-1 that I use had this problem with the deck stopping spontaneously in play mode. Following some advice on a discussion board I found with Google, I let it run in FF mode continously for several hours. This seems to have done something good since the problem has not happened since then with tens of hours of play. I guess there was some oxidation or something in the reel motor that creates a "dead spot" causing the motor to stop when in play mode. Cheers, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Mar 3 20:18:36 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:18:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: <44073CA5.5020604@cox.net> References: <44073CA5.5020604@cox.net> Message-ID: <4408968C.8000900@yahoo.ca> OK, I more or less followed the topic. What kind of head wear are you taking about? Just a deep groove where the tape is passing or a completely dead head? I just wonder how worn is my BX-2 Black(The one with problems)'s head. Antoine Deschênes Tim Barrett a écrit : > I've only seen one Nak head wear to the point of needing replacement, > and that was on a 480 which was used for background music by a > restaurant. I think they ran it all day, every day, and it was > located somewhere in their kitchen because the machine was coated > inside and out with an awful layer of greasy stuff. A real mess. I > don't know what sort of tapes they played in it. > > Tim > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> Does anyone even know of any Nak heads wearing out? So far, I've never seen >> it happen. Maybe, if it does, it would be more likely caused by use of cheap >> tapes, not chrome, or metal tapes specifically. IMHO >> >> Doane >> --------------------- >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Ron >> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:04 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate >> >> >> I took it to mean, 10K hours (10,000 hours). This >> is the number usually quoted for later Nak heads. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> jerryjg wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:19:44 -0600, Bala Ganesh Chandra >>> wrote: >>> Please, BAla, this cannot be true?10 hours, of which it is very >>> probable,being pre-owned units, that all three of my Naks may have many >>> more hours Type IV than this.Maybe i should immidiatly abandon all >>> plans to use metal tape-not that i have that many . The Master of tape >>> type , Marc Hugo, could certainly speak up about this, except he must be >>> very busy, for i have not heard from him on this forum for awhile. >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> I caught up with an old hand who until recently had >>>> serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we >>>> talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a >>>> few others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the warmth of >>>> chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out >>>> in less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of >>>> those here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce more >>>> head wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow >>>> Nakkers concur this figure? >>>> Regards >>>> Bala Ganesh >>>> 79Labs >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Mar 3 21:54:15 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:54:15 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate Message-ID: Kanan! Thanks for very informative explanation! on head wear on Nakamichis in my books you are THE MAN! :) I just have that feeling about you that you are very knowledgeable about these things and are always speaking from your great experience with Nakamichi Cassette Decks experience in electronic field and metallury! (gee I cant even spell it! lo) l. and your very valueable yocontribution to this great forum very Keep Up The Good Work!!:) I have GREAT! respect for you! Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Mar 3 23:24:22 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:24:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate Message-ID: <9FD24E9D-C94C-44C4-92AF-C666EFFBE1AE@alumni.caltech.edu> OK, here's my 2 cents. Sort of speculation, like everyone else, but points to consider. The tech I got my 1000zxl's done by also didn't like metal tape. I think he quoted a "10" number as well, but I don't remember exactly. I think he thought "other" tapes would be 2x the life. I have a couple of problems with this. First, especially for metal tape, it's the binder that's in contact with the heads, not the particle in the tape. I doubt that once metal tapes were made, tape manufactures would use a different binder for metal vs. non-metal formulations, unless either the metal binder were prohibitively expensive, or it were really technologically necessary to use something different--from a manufacturing point of view, you'd want something as basic as the binder recipe to be the same if at all reasonably possible, for the tapes you make. The reason I'm stating the metal tapes must not have the metal particles exposed, is because one of the main difficulties in bringing metal technology to the forefront was to keep the particles from oxidizing in the atmosphere (being very finely divided metal with a lot of surface area, it's quite reactive). Worst case, they'd catch on fire. Best case, they'd turn into--well--plain old rust particles same as ferric (type I) tape. So I'm reasonably confident the particles for type IV must be pretty well encased in the binder. That said, is the binder more abrasive? Seems a little hard to to think a plastic binder's going to compete too much with metal heads. I agree with Bala's point about tape speed--it's more an issue with R2R because of the tape speed, plus more real honest-to-goodness high-speed cueing and such. That said, that issue is sort of unclear to me--although the absolute amount of wear I would think would be less, it's not clear that what wear there is (I am assuming it isn't zero) may be more significant due to the less forgiving cassette technology plus the smaller dimensions. So I'm not sure on the validity of this point to the overall argument.-kby From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Mar 4 00:59:26 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:59:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: <4408968C.8000900@yahoo.ca> References: <44073CA5.5020604@cox.net> <4408968C.8000900@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4408D85E.7070401@cox.net> Physical wear to the head across the tape path. I thoroughly cleaned the head, and even inspected it with a lens to confirm cleanliness. The symptoms were typcial of head wear - poor and unbalanced high frequency performance. A new head solved the problem. Fortunately, the shop where I worked had all of the pertinent alignment fixtures and tapes so the job was not difficult. One thing I've noticed about Naks that I can't really say for all other machines... when you adjust the internal bias and level trimpots, the slots in the corresponding left and right channel pots always point at the same angle. In other words, the performance of the head and of the electronics are well balanced between the left and right channels. When the head begins to wear, you usually lose this left/right trimpot balancing, and have to turn one further than the other to get the levels and bias to agree. Tim Antoine Deschênes wrote: > OK, I more or less followed the topic. What kind of head wear are you > taking about? Just a deep groove where the tape is passing or a > completely dead head? I just wonder how worn is my BX-2 Black(The one > with problems)'s head. > > Antoine Deschênes > > > > Tim Barrett a écrit : > >> I've only seen one Nak head wear to the point of needing replacement, >> and that was on a 480 which was used for background music by a >> restaurant. I think they ran it all day, every day, and it was >> located somewhere in their kitchen because the machine was coated >> inside and out with an awful layer of greasy stuff. A real mess. I >> don't know what sort of tapes they played in it. >> >> Tim >> >> Doane Hoag wrote: >> >>> Does anyone even know of any Nak heads wearing out? So far, I've >>> never seen >>> it happen. Maybe, if it does, it would be more likely caused by use >>> of cheap >>> tapes, not chrome, or metal tapes specifically. IMHO >>> >>> Doane >>> --------------------- >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> Behalf Of Ron >>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:04 AM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate >>> >>> >>> I took it to mean, 10K hours (10,000 hours). This >>> is the number usually quoted for later Nak heads. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> jerryjg wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:19:44 -0600, Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>> wrote: >>>> Please, BAla, this cannot be true?10 hours, of which it is very >>>> probable,being pre-owned units, that all three of my Naks may have >>>> many >>>> more hours Type IV than this.Maybe i should immidiatly abandon all >>>> plans to use metal tape-not that i have that many . The Master of tape >>>> type , Marc Hugo, could certainly speak up about this, except he >>>> must be >>>> very busy, for i have not heard from him on this forum for awhile. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> I caught up with an old hand who until recently had >>>>> serviced Akai and Nakamichi cassette decks. Among other things, we >>>>> talked about head wear issues, particularly with metal tapes. Like a >>>>> few others, I am not a huge fan of metal tapes. I prefer the >>>>> warmth of >>>>> chromes. It seems the Nak, fed on a pure Type IV tape diet, wears out >>>>> in less the 10 hours of use! Now, I would like to know the opinion of >>>>> those here. Many have said that Type IVs are abrasive and produce >>>>> more >>>>> head wear, but I have yet to see a definitive figure. So can fellow >>>>> Nakkers concur this figure? >>>>> Regards >>>>> Bala Ganesh >>>>> 79Labs >>>>> >>>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 4 01:15:05 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:15:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: <9FD24E9D-C94C-44C4-92AF-C666EFFBE1AE@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <003e01c63f20$b01c8400$70c687d9@oemcomputer> If my memory serves me correctly, the 1000ZXL was not made to accept type IV metal tapes anyway, just types I (Ferric), II (Ferrichrome) and III (Chrome) as they had not been developed at that stage in the evolution of Nakamichi decks. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap > Sent: 03 March 2006 22:24 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate > > > OK, here's my 2 cents. Sort of speculation, like everyone else, but > points to consider. > > The tech I got my 1000zxl's done by also didn't like metal tape. I > think he quoted a "10" number as well, but > I don't remember exactly. I think he thought "other" tapes would be > 2x the life. > > From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Sat Mar 4 02:25:05 2006 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:25:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] clicking ratcheting on Dragon References: <20060303042511.42490.qmail@web60720.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c63f2a$78f18bb0$38ce403e@ORGANISA5B32BA> Hi All you Dragon lovers, I am getting a clicking ratcheting sound from my dragon on older tapes and when the tape automatically switches from side a to side b it starts to twist and damage the tape (TDK SA - X cassettes which are 27years old) I am guessing that this is due tape tension. Is this a common problem for older tightley wound TDK SA - X tapes? I am sure there must be some of you who have experienced something similar. Your comments would be appreciated. Regards Adam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From digitalvoice at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 02:41:47 2006 From: digitalvoice at yahoo.com (Digital Voice) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:41:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Ferrograph Recorder + Cassette decks In-Reply-To: <003e01c63e92$a298ad60$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <20060304014147.72710.qmail@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Martin, I have a Neal 302 and a bunch of Naks. If I can ever find the time, I will do an A-B comparison and post my impressions here. Victor ----- Original Message ---- From: Martin Short To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, March 3, 2006 2:18:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Ferrograph Recorder + Cassette decks Mr Nelson's post reminded me of the olde Ferrograph logic 7's.. not a bad RTR from memory, which brings me neatly onto my question: Has anyone ever done a comparison of Nakamichi's vs Neal 302/320 cassette decks???. I was impressed by the 302,and curious to see how they stacked up. I briefly toyed with picking one up on my OE, but they were hellishly expensive even 2nd hand way back in '85, which was my last encounter with these machines. (this is probably only relevant to Anglophiles !!!...) cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 03:07:14 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:07:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060304020714.23574.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had allready received a threat from one Naktalk member for posting my views on naktalk. I am a simple hobbyist with limited means just posting few of my experiences in between on only repair issues not OT topis. That is it. Nothing more. So please keep me out of being experienced etc. thanks Kannan BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Kanan! Thanks for very informative explanation! on head wear on Nakamichis in my books you are THE MAN! :) I just have that feeling about you that you are very knowledgeable about these things and are always speaking from your great experience with Nakamichi Cassette Decks experience in electronic field and metallury! (gee I cant even spell it! lo) l. and your very valueable yocontribution to this great forum very Keep Up The Good Work!!:) I have GREAT! respect for you! Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 04:30:48 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:30:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak heads wear rate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060304033048.74856.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Ok, have done a bit more searching and talking to. I have looked into two of my 680ZXs and there seems to be some difference between the wear of both decks. But I cannot confirm if this is due to Type IV tapes. My dad here has been a fan and proponent of metal tapes since the early 80s. The deck with more wear is actually my main deck and the newer one usually sits on the rack. And he still gives superb performance. My Aiwa F990 which uses a Amorphous head has seen heavy metal usage since the early 80s. But he still gives wonderful performance. Needing to really clarify this issue , I caught up with a couple more guys who were with Tandberg (whilst they existed here) and Akai, and they told me that people liked and didn't like metals for a variety of reasons. While cassette decks do not wear out as fast or as badly as reel to reel heads, they do wear out as I saw in my 680ZX. The heads most resistant to wear are Akai's glass heads. Despite having a double capstan transport, and pad-lifter, tape does move across the head and certain tape to head pressure has to be maintained. And to tackled that, Nakamichi has chosen to use Crystal-Permalloy metals and go further to triple laminate that to ensure the least amount of wear. Permalloy heads are softer. And they are used in many of Teac's reel to reel decks. Looking at the goemetry of the heads and their finishing methods, wear rate should be significantly lower then other decks. Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs John Berger wrote: Simple test here: most of us have owned at least one of our Nak decks for years, or even decades. If the heads wore out in ten hours of use, wouldn't at least ONE of us have noticed it? Occam's razor says that he meant 10,000 hours, a much more reasonable figure; this would be more than a full year of continuous 24x7 playing, like leaving a tape playing in your Dragon while taking a sabbatical to the South Pole on foot. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Mar 4 04:54:24 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:54:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 -- that good, or not? Message-ID: <44090F70.4090107@yahoo.ca> I first recorded with my BX-2 Silver (Stock). With this one, I DO hear a difference between the original and copy. Do you think that an adjustment could help it? I think that the mods that have been done in my other BX-2 might be the reason also... From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Mar 4 11:46:21 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 10:46:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate Message-ID: Shalom Gra'! SORRY to disappoint you...you are speaking on the Tri Tracer 1000 series, which ONLY accepts EX & SX type cassettes, NEVER...BUT NEVER...Nakamichi make ANY cassette deck that accepts or was Optimized for TYPE 3 "Ferro-Chrome" cassettes...ALWAYS...ALWAYS...Type 1 or 2 & later 4. The 1000ZXL accepted EX - SX & ZX ONLY!!!! Be well, & my best wishes always! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate >Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:15:05 -0000 > >If my memory serves me correctly, the 1000ZXL was not made to accept type >IV >metal tapes anyway, just types I (Ferric), II (Ferrichrome) and III >(Chrome) >as they had not been developed at that stage in the evolution of Nakamichi >decks. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap > > Sent: 03 March 2006 22:24 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate > > > > > > OK, here's my 2 cents. Sort of speculation, like everyone else, but > > points to consider. > > > > The tech I got my 1000zxl's done by also didn't like metal tape. I > > think he quoted a "10" number as well, but > > I don't remember exactly. I think he thought "other" tapes would be > > 2x the life. > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Mar 5 01:02:28 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 01:02:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Classic Idler replacement part Message-ID: <440A2A94.3020807@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, Has anyone tried the classic transport replacement idler tire from Liberman sound? I'm thinking of trying one on a LX-3 that needs a new idler. Or does anybody know of a better source? Wouter From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 5 00:54:35 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 23:54:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for putting me right, Alex. Cheers! Gra' PS I still miss those Ferro Chrome tapes!! From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 01:18:48 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 16:18:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Classic Idler replacement part In-Reply-To: <440A2A94.3020807@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060305001848.79135.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter I had bought an idler assembly from Nakamichi Japan 5 years ago , I think B&W should have it if at all they have Dragon spares. But worthwhile trying out Liberman as that is a much cheaper alternative - as it involves only tire not the assembly. I am interested to know the full replacement effort ? When I replaced the idler on a dragon, I was wondering whether the tire replacement is possible without seperating two halves of the classic transport? Kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Everyone, Has anyone tried the classic transport replacement idler tire from Liberman sound? I'm thinking of trying one on a LX-3 that needs a new idler. Or does anybody know of a better source? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Mar 5 01:35:54 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 01:35:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Classic Idler replacement part In-Reply-To: <20060305001848.79135.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060305001848.79135.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <440A326A.4030100@xs4all.nl> Hi Kannan, Apart from finding a complete idler replacement plus the labour of taking the whole transport out I prefer to try the method I saw Tom van der Hoff do once on one of my decks... Cut the old tire and place a new one. He used a tool to do it so I'll have to think of something too. It seems to me the logic solution, as he told me the idler itself doesn't need replacement, it's just the tire. Then when he did the job he just took the rubber of a brand new official idler so I was wondering about the Liberman idler if it fits good and stays good. I should ask Tom to reveal his trick a little when I'm going to him to collect my ZX-9 which he is restoring in the next weeks. I'm also thinking of ordering some control cam belts from the PRB line since the LX-3 in need of the idler has isses with this belt too. Has anyone found a good source for the PRB belts that acce? Wouter kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Wouter > I had bought an idler assembly from Nakamichi Japan 5 years ago , I > think B&W should have it if at all they have Dragon spares. But > worthwhile trying out Liberman as that is a much cheaper alternative - > as it involves only tire not the assembly. > I am interested to know the full replacement effort ? When I replaced > the idler on a dragon, I was wondering whether the tire replacement > is possible without seperating two halves of the classic transport? > Kannan > > *//* From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 03:08:15 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 18:08:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Classic Idler replacement part In-Reply-To: <440A326A.4030100@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060305020815.54288.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is exciting that you are in Touch with Tom - can you coax him to give a bit of clue on what he had done to your Dragon ? About tires for the old transport -I was thinking same thing that without removing the transport if tire can be fixed it would be great.( as Bala mentioned Cold Rubber bonding solution - a lot of such technique is used in India to fill a hole ( puncture ) by bonding rubber sheet - Bicycle tubes or even motor cycle tubes. I know some rubber technicians use bonding rubber to metal ) Or just scrape out old rubber and place the tire like Sankyo transport idler tire replacement. Only problem is accessing the idler which is very difficult and Tom' technique to bond a flat rubber sheet around the idler. You can give us some idea about the ZX 9 sound after ut comes back from Tom. Kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Kannan, Apart from finding a complete idler replacement plus the labour of taking the whole transport out I prefer to try the method I saw Tom van der Hoff do once on one of my decks... Cut the old tire and place a new one. He used a tool to do it so I'll have to think of something too. It seems to me the logic solution, as he told me the idler itself doesn't need replacement, it's just the tire. Then when he did the job he just took the rubber of a brand new official idler so I was wondering about the Liberman idler if it fits good and stays good. I should ask Tom to reveal his trick a little when I'm going to him to collect my ZX-9 which he is restoring in the next weeks. I'm also thinking of ordering some control cam belts from the PRB line since the LX-3 in need of the idler has isses with this belt too. Has anyone found a good source for the PRB belts that acce? Wouter kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Wouter > I had bought an idler assembly from Nakamichi Japan 5 years ago , I > think B&W should have it if at all they have Dragon spares. But > worthwhile trying out Liberman as that is a much cheaper alternative - > as it involves only tire not the assembly. > I am interested to know the full replacement effort ? When I replaced > the idler on a dragon, I was wondering whether the tire replacement > is possible without seperating two halves of the classic transport? > Kannan > > *//* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Mar 5 03:35:20 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 18:35:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate Message-ID: <699FFC39-8058-4CDD-A83E-40C44EA40347@alumni.caltech.edu> Actually, it was the "Mk II" series (1000 II, 700 II etc.) that were borderline. I actually have a 700 II that was modified for ZX tape by Nak (you had to give up one of SX or EX since the switch was only 2 position--I gave up SX). The1000 ZXL was done after metal tape had been out and is thus metal- capable.-kby From N4229K at aol.com Sun Mar 5 04:35:20 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 22:35:20 EST Subject: [naktalk] Classic Idler replacement part Message-ID: <290.69f9b5e.313bb678@aol.com> I have tires for the bx rx cr and mr line. I will soon have a tire for the zxl zxe 480 etc I hope. If someone knows the diamentions of any idler tires for Nak please send and I will try to get some made. I also live about 10 miles from PRB for a second source. Regards, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Mar 5 06:08:56 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 0:08:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505, BX300 or ZX9? Message-ID: <20060305050857.CWSI4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Just curious about the RX505 as far as being robust, serviceable and its recording capabilities. I've owned a BX300 when they first came out back in the 80's. Rather impressive for the price but certainly not the king but still a very nice unit. Now, without getting very picky on the recording capabilities because I think they will all do a nice job, would it be fair to say the RX505 is the tops when it comes to the BX300 and ZX9? From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 06:43:08 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:43:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Classic Idler replacement part In-Reply-To: <440A326A.4030100@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060305054308.48348.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter, If you rotate the idler tire, you will find a spot where it looks like the rubber is 'welded' together. The tire is a strip of rubber with a T cross-section. The easiest way to remove is to use a small blade into this joint. Once the joint is seperated, its easy to pull away the T-strip leaving the idler hub in place. But, this has to be done careful because the idler does not have much clearance on either side and the chance of scarring the black spool shafts are there. That surface of course, contacts with the idler tire. A new rubber section can then be put into the idler hub, with the bottom of the T finger seating into the groove of the hub. An earlier method I used was to use a small square cross section piece to fill up the groove. A flat piece is that layerd and glued to the top of the square section. While it worked really great, I still feel one complete section of rubber was much better. It is a delicate thing to replace the tire whilst in the transport. Check with Tom and let us know! Meanwhile, here are some photos from that project, http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bg3009/my_photos Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Kannan, Apart from finding a complete idler replacement plus the labour of taking the whole transport out I prefer to try the method I saw Tom van der Hoff do once on one of my decks... Cut the old tire and place a new one. He used a tool to do it so I'll have to think of something too. It seems to me the logic solution, as he told me the idler itself doesn't need replacement, it's just the tire. Then when he did the job he just took the rubber of a brand new official idler so I was wondering about the Liberman idler if it fits good and stays good. I should ask Tom to reveal his trick a little when I'm going to him to collect my ZX-9 which he is restoring in the next weeks. I'm also thinking of ordering some control cam belts from the PRB line since the LX-3 in need of the idler has isses with this belt too. Has anyone found a good source for the PRB belts that acce? Wouter kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Wouter > I had bought an idler assembly from Nakamichi Japan 5 years ago , I > think B&W should have it if at all they have Dragon spares. But > worthwhile trying out Liberman as that is a much cheaper alternative - > as it involves only tire not the assembly. > I am interested to know the full replacement effort ? When I replaced > the idler on a dragon, I was wondering whether the tire replacement > is possible without seperating two halves of the classic transport? > Kannan > > *//* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 09:24:21 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 00:24:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate -- myth busted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060305082421.32236.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi , After looking at the experiences from all those here, and talking to some solid people, including nalktalk members, it seems like the metal tape myth has been busted. The few things that can cause head wear it seems, tapes which are not finished well, calendered well. One even told me that he suspects leader tapes to be suspect. But the amount of time heads are exposed to leader tapes is negligble. I sent my main N-680-ZX for spectrum analysis tests. Despite being fed a steady stream of metal tapes, it still exhibits records and playback well beyond published specifications leading me to conclude that metal tapes don't seen to damage Nak heads as thought to be. Regards, Bala Ganesh 79Labs --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 11:20:42 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:20:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX505, BX300 or ZX9? In-Reply-To: <20060305050857.CWSI4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@172.18.52.8> References: <20060305050857.CWSI4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@172.18.52.8> Message-ID: <518b7b10603050220t26c20867x4fb7960ebd83dd69@mail.gmail.com> Among the three - ZX9 anytime, no contest whatosever. On 3/5/06, rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > Just curious about the RX505 as far as being robust, serviceable and its recording capabilities. > > I've owned a BX300 when they first came out back in the 80's. Rather impressive for the price but certainly not the king but still a very nice unit. > > Now, without getting very picky on the recording capabilities because I think they will all do a nice job, would it be fair to say the RX505 is the tops when it comes to the BX300 and ZX9? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Sun Mar 5 13:17:27 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:17:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX and GRAHAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060305065757.02c988e0@pop.videotron.ca> Alex, 1000ZXL does not have any of these EX, SX or ZX positions or even the generic Type I, II or IV positions. It has manual EQ (70 or 120) plus separate user selectable levels of BIAS and, then, its computer will properly calibrate for any kind of tape, including FeCr and Metal. Regards, -Marc At 05:46 03/04/2006, you wrote: >Shalom Gra'! > >SORRY to disappoint you...you are speaking on the Tri Tracer 1000 >series, which ONLY accepts EX & SX type cassettes, NEVER...BUT >NEVER...Nakamichi make ANY cassette deck that accepts or was >Optimized for TYPE 3 "Ferro-Chrome" >cassettes...ALWAYS...ALWAYS...Type 1 or 2 & later 4. > >The 1000ZXL accepted EX - SX & ZX ONLY!!!! > >Be well, & my best wishes always! > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: "Nelson" >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate >>Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:15:05 -0000 >> >>If my memory serves me correctly, the 1000ZXL was not made to accept type IV >>metal tapes anyway, just types I (Ferric), II (Ferrichrome) and III (Chrome) >>as they had not been developed at that stage in the evolution of Nakamichi >>decks. >> >>Gra' >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap >> > Sent: 03 March 2006 22:24 >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate >> > >> > >> > OK, here's my 2 cents. Sort of speculation, like everyone else, but >> > points to consider. >> > >> > The tech I got my 1000zxl's done by also didn't like metal tape. I >> > think he quoted a "10" number as well, but >> > I don't remember exactly. I think he thought "other" tapes would be >> > 2x the life. >> > >> > >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Sun Mar 5 13:48:42 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:48:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] clicking ratcheting on Dragon In-Reply-To: <001101c63f2a$78f18bb0$38ce403e@ORGANISA5B32BA> References: <20060303042511.42490.qmail@web60720.mail.yahoo.com> <001101c63f2a$78f18bb0$38ce403e@ORGANISA5B32BA> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060305071800.02afcfe0@pop.videotron.ca> At 20:25 03/03/2006, you wrote: >Hi All you Dragon lovers, > >I am getting a clicking ratcheting sound from my dragon on older >tapes and when the tape automatically switches from side a to side b >it starts to twist and damage the tape (TDK SA - X cassettes which >are 27years old) I am guessing that this is due tape tension. Is >this a common problem for older tightley wound TDK SA - X tapes? > >I am sure there must be some of you who have experienced something similar. > >Your comments would be appreciated. > >Regards > >Adam Adam, Unfortunately, I did experience something similar many years ago. I was returning from CES in Chicago or Las Vegas where I had purchased the just released, on Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab cassette, Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's album. I came home and, with great expectations, I popped the tape in my Dragon. I pressed Play. Leader went by, then the Dragon started ticking and chewing my brand new expensive tape! I was so mad I sold the Dragon not long after that. The ticking noise comes from the endless screw that controls head movement under NAAC. When it reaches one end or the other of its course, it tries to move the head further in this direction, rather then reversing, and the ticking noise starts. The NAAC computer ain't so smart and sometimes goes crazy like that. Keeping the tape path pristinely clean may help. These dual closed-loop direct-drive capstans have tremendous chewing potential, more than any other Nak deck. From my experience, you never really can predict when this will happen. Have you checked if your old tapes have left more residue than usual on the capstans? Regards, -Marc From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 12:09:44 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 03:09:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Pictures for everyone In-Reply-To: <290.69f9b5e.313bb678@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060305110944.14481.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I have posted some pictures on how I 'retired' a ZXL transport and pictures of a N-1000-ZXL overhaul. Enjoy!! Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 5 13:52:52 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:52:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX and GRAHAM In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060305065757.02c988e0@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: Thanks for that, Marc - I didn't appreciate just how adaptable the Dragon is. This raises it a few more notches on my score book although I don't think I'll be buying one for some time ... I seem over run with machines that I don't want to part with and now can't afford to buy any more as I'm outta work. No money ... Looks like I may have to start selling off some of my hi fi collection. (Quad FM4 will probably be the first up for sale on eBay.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Denis Sent: 05 March 2006 12:17 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX and GRAHAM Alex, 1000ZXL does not have any of these EX, SX or ZX positions or even the generic Type I, II or IV positions. It has manual EQ (70 or 120) plus separate user selectable levels of BIAS and, then, its computer will properly calibrate for any kind of tape, including FeCr and Metal. Regards, -Marc From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 14:05:25 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 05:05:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] clicking ratcheting on Dragon In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060305071800.02afcfe0@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20060305130526.98919.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your Problem - if it happens on many tapes, your Dragon needs servicing for two important possible reasons. 1. NAAC circuite needs ( or related heads and other electronic issues) checking recalibration or parts replacement. My old Dragon had some Orange caps causing complete Alignment going south in NAAC circuit. 2. Transport Tape back tension as well DD motor Servo control needs servicing. If it happens to only one tape only if it does not have azimuth misalignment - you can check that on another fixed head Nakamichi - then the problem is beginning now. A well calibrated Nak Dragon does not go to the end and keeps clicking. The Azimuth motor goes to the end and stops within few seconds even if Azimuth is not OK. So you do not hear any continuos clicking sound. Hope this helps Kannan PS If the azimuth motor keeps trying continuously then the tape will definitely gets eaten due disturbance on the movement. Marc Denis wrote: At 20:25 03/03/2006, you wrote: >Hi All you Dragon lovers, > >I am getting a clicking ratcheting sound from my dragon on older >tapes and when the tape automatically switches from side a to side b >it starts to twist and damage the tape (TDK SA - X cassettes which >are 27years old) I am guessing that this is due tape tension. Is >this a common problem for older tightley wound TDK SA - X tapes? > >I am sure there must be some of you who have experienced something similar. > >Your comments would be appreciated. > >Regards > >Adam Adam, Unfortunately, I did experience something similar many years ago. I was returning from CES in Chicago or Las Vegas where I had purchased the just released, on Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab cassette, Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's album. I came home and, with great expectations, I popped the tape in my Dragon. I pressed Play. Leader went by, then the Dragon started ticking and chewing my brand new expensive tape! I was so mad I sold the Dragon not long after that. The ticking noise comes from the endless screw that controls head movement under NAAC. When it reaches one end or the other of its course, it tries to move the head further in this direction, rather then reversing, and the ticking noise starts. The NAAC computer ain't so smart and sometimes goes crazy like that. Keeping the tape path pristinely clean may help. These dual closed-loop direct-drive capstans have tremendous chewing potential, more than any other Nak deck. From my experience, you never really can predict when this will happen. Have you checked if your old tapes have left more residue than usual on the capstans? Regards, -Marc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Mar 5 14:14:15 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 13:14:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX and GRAHAM Message-ID: Hi Marc! I just handle the 1000ZXL brochure, you are 100% correct. BUT...in the back page specifications, regarding Frequency response...issue (-20DB record level), specified Nakamichi ZX,SX,EX-2 & EX), It's truth that can handle due the "A.B.L.E."...ALL kind of tape formula, ALSO Ferro-Chrome! You only need to select 120 or 70 EQ, before making the A.B.L.E. YES...sorry for my mistake, as NEVER Nakamichi branded any Ferro-Chrome" type cassette...for so my mistake. Thank you Marc for your clarification! Be well, ALEX! >From: Marc Denis >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX and GRAHAM >Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:17:27 -0500 > >Alex, > >1000ZXL does not have any of these EX, SX or ZX positions or even the >generic Type I, II or IV positions. It has manual EQ (70 or 120) plus >separate user selectable levels of BIAS and, then, its computer will >properly calibrate for any kind of tape, including FeCr and Metal. > >Regards, > >-Marc > > >At 05:46 03/04/2006, you wrote: >>Shalom Gra'! >> >>SORRY to disappoint you...you are speaking on the Tri Tracer 1000 series, >>which ONLY accepts EX & SX type cassettes, NEVER...BUT NEVER...Nakamichi >>make ANY cassette deck that accepts or was Optimized for TYPE 3 >>"Ferro-Chrome" cassettes...ALWAYS...ALWAYS...Type 1 or 2 & later 4. >> >>The 1000ZXL accepted EX - SX & ZX ONLY!!!! >> >>Be well, & my best wishes always! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Nelson" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate >>>Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:15:05 -0000 >>> >>>If my memory serves me correctly, the 1000ZXL was not made to accept type >>>IV >>>metal tapes anyway, just types I (Ferric), II (Ferrichrome) and III >>>(Chrome) >>>as they had not been developed at that stage in the evolution of >>>Nakamichi >>>decks. >>> >>>Gra' >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> > Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap >>> > Sent: 03 March 2006 22:24 >>> > To: naktalk at naks.com >>> > Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate >>> > >>> > >>> > OK, here's my 2 cents. Sort of speculation, like everyone else, but >>> > points to consider. >>> > >>> > The tech I got my 1000zxl's done by also didn't like metal tape. I >>> > think he quoted a "10" number as well, but >>> > I don't remember exactly. I think he thought "other" tapes would be >>> > 2x the life. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Sun Mar 5 14:52:51 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 08:52:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX and GRAHAM In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.2.20060305065757.02c988e0@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060305085210.02c9fa78@pop.videotron.ca> Graham, I was commenting on the 1000ZXL, not the Dragon. Regards, -Marc At 07:52 03/05/2006, you wrote: >Thanks for that, Marc - I didn't appreciate just how adaptable the Dragon >is. This raises it a few more notches on my score book although I don't >think I'll be buying one for some time ... I seem over run with machines >that I don't want to part with and now can't afford to buy any more as I'm >outta work. No money ... Looks like I may have to start selling off some >of my hi fi collection. (Quad FM4 will probably be the first up for sale >on eBay.) > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Marc Denis >Sent: 05 March 2006 12:17 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX and GRAHAM > > >Alex, > >1000ZXL does not have any of these EX, SX or ZX positions or even the >generic Type I, II or IV positions. It has manual EQ (70 or 120) plus >separate user selectable levels of BIAS and, then, its computer will >properly calibrate for any kind of tape, including FeCr and Metal. > >Regards, > >-Marc > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 14:42:11 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 05:42:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX and GRAHAM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060305134211.41414.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, The type of tape during playback does not matter. Only the eq selection has an impact. The ABLE system handles four types of tapes and is quite resilient to old tapes. Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Marc! I just handle the 1000ZXL brochure, you are 100% correct. BUT...in the back page specifications, regarding Frequency response...issue (-20DB record level), specified Nakamichi ZX,SX,EX-2 & EX), It's truth that can handle due the "A.B.L.E."...ALL kind of tape formula, ALSO Ferro-Chrome! You only need to select 120 or 70 EQ, before making the A.B.L.E. YES...sorry for my mistake, as NEVER Nakamichi branded any Ferro-Chrome" type cassette...for so my mistake. Thank you Marc for your clarification! Be well, ALEX! >From: Marc Denis >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX and GRAHAM >Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:17:27 -0500 > >Alex, > >1000ZXL does not have any of these EX, SX or ZX positions or even the >generic Type I, II or IV positions. It has manual EQ (70 or 120) plus >separate user selectable levels of BIAS and, then, its computer will >properly calibrate for any kind of tape, including FeCr and Metal. > >Regards, > >-Marc > > >At 05:46 03/04/2006, you wrote: >>Shalom Gra'! >> >>SORRY to disappoint you...you are speaking on the Tri Tracer 1000 series, >>which ONLY accepts EX & SX type cassettes, NEVER...BUT NEVER...Nakamichi >>make ANY cassette deck that accepts or was Optimized for TYPE 3 >>"Ferro-Chrome" cassettes...ALWAYS...ALWAYS...Type 1 or 2 & later 4. >> >>The 1000ZXL accepted EX - SX & ZX ONLY!!!! >> >>Be well, & my best wishes always! >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Nelson" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate >>>Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:15:05 -0000 >>> >>>If my memory serves me correctly, the 1000ZXL was not made to accept type >>>IV >>>metal tapes anyway, just types I (Ferric), II (Ferrichrome) and III >>>(Chrome) >>>as they had not been developed at that stage in the evolution of >>>Nakamichi >>>decks. >>> >>>Gra' >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> > Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap >>> > Sent: 03 March 2006 22:24 >>> > To: naktalk at naks.com >>> > Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate >>> > >>> > >>> > OK, here's my 2 cents. Sort of speculation, like everyone else, but >>> > points to consider. >>> > >>> > The tech I got my 1000zxl's done by also didn't like metal tape. I >>> > think he quoted a "10" number as well, but >>> > I don't remember exactly. I think he thought "other" tapes would be >>> > 2x the life. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Cheers, ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] clicking ratcheting on Dragon >Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 05:05:25 -0800 (PST) > >Your Problem - if it happens on many tapes, your Dragon needs servicing for >two important possible reasons. 1. NAAC circuite needs ( or related heads >and other electronic issues) checking recalibration or parts replacement. >My old Dragon had some Orange caps causing complete Alignment going south >in NAAC circuit. > 2. Transport Tape back tension as well DD motor Servo control needs >servicing. > If it happens to only one tape only if it does not have azimuth >misalignment - you can check that on another fixed head Nakamichi - then >the problem is beginning now. > A well calibrated Nak Dragon does not go to the end and keeps clicking. >The Azimuth motor goes to the end and stops within few seconds even if >Azimuth is not OK. So you do not hear any continuos clicking sound. > Hope this helps > Kannan > PS If the azimuth motor keeps trying continuously then the tape will >definitely gets eaten due disturbance on the movement. > > >Marc Denis wrote: > At 20:25 03/03/2006, you wrote: > >Hi All you Dragon lovers, > > > >I am getting a clicking ratcheting sound from my dragon on older > >tapes and when the tape automatically switches from side a to side b > >it starts to twist and damage the tape (TDK SA - X cassettes which > >are 27years old) I am guessing that this is due tape tension. Is > >this a common problem for older tightley wound TDK SA - X tapes? > > > >I am sure there must be some of you who have experienced something >similar. > > > >Your comments would be appreciated. > > > >Regards > > > >Adam > >Adam, > >Unfortunately, I did experience something similar many years ago. I >was returning from CES in Chicago or Las Vegas where I had purchased >the just released, on Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab cassette, Beatles' >Sgt. Pepper's album. I came home and, with great expectations, I >popped the tape in my Dragon. I pressed Play. Leader went by, then >the Dragon started ticking and chewing my brand new expensive tape! I >was so mad I sold the Dragon not long after that. > >The ticking noise comes from the endless screw that controls head >movement under NAAC. When it reaches one end or the other of its >course, it tries to move the head further in this direction, rather >then reversing, and the ticking noise starts. The NAAC computer ain't >so smart and sometimes goes crazy like that. Keeping the tape path >pristinely clean may help. These dual closed-loop direct-drive >capstans have tremendous chewing potential, more than any other Nak >deck. From my experience, you never really can predict when this will >happen. Have you checked if your old tapes have left more residue >than usual on the capstans? > >Regards, > >-Marc > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Mail >Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 5 16:05:10 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 15:05:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - Marc In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060305085210.02c9fa78@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: Typo! I meant the 1000ZXL G . -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Denis Sent: 05 March 2006 13:53 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX and GRAHAM Graham, I was commenting on the 1000ZXL, not the Dragon. Regards, -Marc At 07:52 03/05/2006, you wrote: >Thanks for that, Marc - I didn't appreciate just how adaptable the Dragon >is. This raises it a few more notches on my score book although I don't >think I'll be buying one for some time ... I seem over run with machines >that I don't want to part with and now can't afford to buy any more as I'm >outta work. No money ... Looks like I may have to start selling off some >of my hi fi collection. (Quad FM4 will probably be the first up for sale >on eBay.) > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Marc Denis >Sent: 05 March 2006 12:17 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX and GRAHAM > > >Alex, > >1000ZXL does not have any of these EX, SX or ZX positions or even the >generic Type I, II or IV positions. It has manual EQ (70 or 120) plus >separate user selectable levels of BIAS and, then, its computer will >properly calibrate for any kind of tape, including FeCr and Metal. > >Regards, > >-Marc > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Mar 5 16:24:30 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 10:24:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pictures for everyone In-Reply-To: <20060305110944.14481.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060305110944.14481.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <440B02AE.7090503@yahoo.ca> Where? Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit : > Hi everyone, > > I have posted some pictures on how I 'retired' a ZXL > transport and pictures of a N-1000-ZXL overhaul. Enjoy!! > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail > > makes sharing a breeze. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From araba at hot.ee Sun Mar 5 16:31:33 2006 From: araba at hot.ee (Andres Raba) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:31:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Classic Idler replacement part Message-ID: <440B0455.40709@hot.ee> Wouter, the classic idler wheel is currently listed in eBay Deutschland as item no. 7593950668 (Nakamichi Dragon+ZX7 Idlerrad, neu) for 9,90 EUR. It's the plastic wheel with rubber tire attached. Title says it's for Dragon and ZX-7, but it fits to all classic Nakamichi transports. Andres //Hi Everyone, //Has anyone tried the classic transport replacement idler tire from //Liberman sound? //I'm thinking of trying one on a LX-3 that needs a new idler. //Or does anybody know of a better source? //Wouter From N4229K at aol.com Sun Mar 5 17:38:36 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:38:36 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Classic Idler replacement part Message-ID: Hi Andres: Thanks for pointing this out as I will need several tires for my decks. I would also like to see a Lieberman sound tire. Can you send me contact info for them. I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if they cannot be gotten elsewhere. Regards, Dean In a message dated 3/5/2006 11:22:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, araba at hot.ee writes: Wouter, the classic idler wheel is currently listed in eBay Deutschland as item no. 7593950668 (Nakamichi Dragon+ZX7 Idlerrad, neu) for 9,90 EUR. It's the plastic wheel with rubber tire attached. Title says it's for Dragon and ZX-7, but it fits to all classic Nakamichi transports. Andres //Hi Everyone, //Has anyone tried the classic transport replacement idler tire from //Liberman sound? //I'm thinking of trying one on a LX-3 that needs a new idler. //Or does anybody know of a better source? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Mar 5 23:09:13 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 23:09:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Classic Idler replacement part In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440B6189.8060203@xs4all.nl> Hi Dean, It would be great if someone could get tires and belts made that would fit 100%. I suppose you could sell those all the time if the quality/price is good! Wouter N4229K at aol.com wrote: > Hi Andres: > Thanks for pointing this out as I will need several tires for my > decks. I would also like to see a Lieberman sound tire. Can you send > me contact info for them. > I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if they > cannot be gotten elsewhere. > Regards, > Dean From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk Sun Mar 5 21:45:44 2006 From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:45:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] clicking ratcheting on Dragon References: Message-ID: <009101c64095$de5169a0$c80be150@ORGANISA5B32BA> Thanks All you who replied: With the problem occurring on older TDK tapes and not on more recent cassettes I have gone through a process of fast forward and rewinding cassettes for about 6 x each way. This appears to have dealt with the racheting sound. What effect tape tension might have on the Dragon mechanism I can't say but I found it very interesting what a number of you had to say about the NAAC. Thanks for your experiences and information. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] clicking ratcheting on Dragon > Shalom Kannan, > > Yes you are 100% right...the NAAC, takes a few seconds to catch the > azimuth...NO clicking...and stay firm...once the playback head is 100% > aligned with the signal. Maybe mine works so well, is because...was > "Boxed' so many years & still in super well conditions, (Cam belt needs to > be replace!), I will do it soon I received a new one original...but first > I want to find at least 2 "Generics", as a replacement...maybe 12 years > more (Joking!!!). > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] clicking ratcheting on Dragon >>Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 05:05:25 -0800 (PST) >> >>Your Problem - if it happens on many tapes, your Dragon needs servicing >>for two important possible reasons. 1. NAAC circuite needs ( or related >>heads and other electronic issues) checking recalibration or parts >>replacement. My old Dragon had some Orange caps causing complete Alignment >>going south in NAAC circuit. >> 2. Transport Tape back tension as well DD motor Servo control needs >> servicing. >> If it happens to only one tape only if it does not have azimuth >> misalignment - you can check that on another fixed head Nakamichi - then >> the problem is beginning now. >> A well calibrated Nak Dragon does not go to the end and keeps >> clicking. The Azimuth motor goes to the end and stops within few seconds >> even if Azimuth is not OK. So you do not hear any continuos clicking >> sound. >> Hope this helps >> Kannan >> PS If the azimuth motor keeps trying continuously then the tape will >> definitely gets eaten due disturbance on the movement. >> >> >>Marc Denis wrote: >> At 20:25 03/03/2006, you wrote: >> >Hi All you Dragon lovers, >> > >> >I am getting a clicking ratcheting sound from my dragon on older >> >tapes and when the tape automatically switches from side a to side b >> >it starts to twist and damage the tape (TDK SA - X cassettes which >> >are 27years old) I am guessing that this is due tape tension. Is >> >this a common problem for older tightley wound TDK SA - X tapes? >> > >> >I am sure there must be some of you who have experienced something >>similar. >> > >> >Your comments would be appreciated. >> > >> >Regards >> > >> >Adam >> >>Adam, >> >>Unfortunately, I did experience something similar many years ago. I >>was returning from CES in Chicago or Las Vegas where I had purchased >>the just released, on Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab cassette, Beatles' >>Sgt. Pepper's album. I came home and, with great expectations, I >>popped the tape in my Dragon. I pressed Play. Leader went by, then >>the Dragon started ticking and chewing my brand new expensive tape! I >>was so mad I sold the Dragon not long after that. >> >>The ticking noise comes from the endless screw that controls head >>movement under NAAC. When it reaches one end or the other of its >>course, it tries to move the head further in this direction, rather >>then reversing, and the ticking noise starts. The NAAC computer ain't >>so smart and sometimes goes crazy like that. Keeping the tape path >>pristinely clean may help. These dual closed-loop direct-drive >>capstans have tremendous chewing potential, more than any other Nak >>deck. From my experience, you never really can predict when this will >>happen. Have you checked if your old tapes have left more residue >>than usual on the capstans? >> >>Regards, >> >>-Marc >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Yahoo! Mail >>Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Mar 5 23:20:04 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:20:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Classic Idler replacement part Message-ID: <20060305222004.SAYY14821.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> FYI http://www.libermansound.com/index.htm > > From: N4229K at aol.com > Date: 2006/03/05 Sun AM 11:38:36 EST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Classic Idler replacement part > > Hi Andres: > Thanks for pointing this out as I will need several tires for my decks. I > would also like to see a Lieberman sound tire. Can you send me contact info for > them. > I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if they cannot be > gotten elsewhere. > Regards, > Dean > > > > In a message dated 3/5/2006 11:22:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, araba at hot.ee > writes: > Wouter, > > the classic idler wheel is currently listed in eBay Deutschland as item > no. 7593950668 (Nakamichi Dragon+ZX7 Idlerrad, neu) for 9,90 EUR. It's > the plastic wheel with rubber tire attached. Title says it's for Dragon > and ZX-7, but it fits to all classic Nakamichi transports. > > Andres > > > //Hi Everyone, > > //Has anyone tried the classic transport replacement idler tire from > //Liberman sound? > //I'm thinking of trying one on a LX-3 that needs a new idler. > //Or does anybody know of a better source? > > -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From araba at hot.ee Sun Mar 5 23:27:18 2006 From: araba at hot.ee (Andres Raba) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:27:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Classic Idler replacement part Message-ID: <440B65C6.5070708@hot.ee> Hi Dean, The Liberman Sound web store link is here: http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=67 Price is $10 a piece. //I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if they //cannot be gotten elsewhere. That would be great! The capstan belt for classic belt-driven transport would also be an excellent candidate for having made by some high quality rubber plant. Following original strict specifications and tolerances of course. Good luck with the idler replacements, Andres //Hi Andres: //Thanks for pointing this out as I will need several tires for my //decks. I would also like to see a Lieberman sound tire. Can you send //me contact info for them. //I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if they //cannot be gotten elsewhere. //Regards, //Dean From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 00:26:06 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 15:26:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Pictures for everyone In-Reply-To: <440B02AE.7090503@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060305232606.36832.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oops!, The number one emal showstopper - forgotton links or attachments. The link is http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bg3009/my_photos Enjoy Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Antoine Deschênes wrote: Where? Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit : > Hi everyone, > > I have posted some pictures on how I 'retired' a ZXL > transport and pictures of a N-1000-ZXL overhaul. Enjoy!! > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail > > makes sharing a breeze. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Wouter N4229K at aol.com wrote: > Hi Andres: > Thanks for pointing this out as I will need several tires for my > decks. I would also like to see a Lieberman sound tire. Can you send > me contact info for them. > I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if they > cannot be gotten elsewhere. > Regards, > Dean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 6 00:49:01 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:49:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Classic Idler replacement part In-Reply-To: <440B65C6.5070708@hot.ee> References: <440B65C6.5070708@hot.ee> Message-ID: <440B78ED.1000101@rcn.com> Andres Raba wrote: > Hi Dean, > > The Liberman Sound web store link is here: > > http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=67 > > Price is $10 a piece. Seeing that they also charge 10 bucks for the Sankyo tire (that MCM used to charge 56 cents or so for), I would say They are kinda expensive. -- Ron > //I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if they > //cannot be gotten elsewhere. > > That would be great! The capstan belt for classic belt-driven transport > would also be an excellent candidate for having made by some high > quality rubber plant. Following original strict specifications and > tolerances of course. > > Good luck with the idler replacements, > Andres > > > //Hi Andres: > //Thanks for pointing this out as I will need several tires for my > //decks. I would also like to see a Lieberman sound tire. Can you send > //me contact info for them. > //I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if they > //cannot be gotten elsewhere. > //Regards, > //Dean From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Mon Mar 6 03:27:34 2006 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:27:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Classic Idler replacement part Message-ID: <200603052127_MC3-1-B9AE-7C72@compuserve.com> Hi Wouter, I just replaced the control motor belt of my new RX505. The belt is SCQ4.8 of PRB line. I had ordered it together with other belts from action-electronics.com couple years ago as a spare for my 700ZXE. I just checked their web-site and did not see any change, they still seem to have most of the belts for the Naks. Scott Johnson has the cross-reference table in his web-site. Action electronics also have a bunch of PRB line "tires" listed, but I don't know which one can be used as replacement capstan roller or idler tire. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 5 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 01:35:54 +0100 From: Wouter Heijke Subject: Re: [naktalk] Classic Idler replacement part To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <440A326A.4030100 at xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Kannan, Apart from finding a complete idler replacement plus the labour of taking the whole transport out I prefer to try the method I saw Tom van der Hoff do once on one of my decks... Cut the old tire and place a new one. He used a tool to do it so I'll have to think of something too. It seems to me the logic solution, as he told me the idler itself doesn't need replacement, it's just the tire. Then when he did the job he just took the rubber of a brand new official idler so I was wondering about the Liberman idler if it fits good and stays good. I should ask Tom to reveal his trick a little when I'm going to him to collect my ZX-9 which he is restoring in the next weeks. I'm also thinking of ordering some control cam belts from the PRB line since the LX-3 in need of the idler has isses with this belt too. Has anyone found a good source for the PRB belts that acce? Wouter < From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Mar 6 05:53:18 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:53:18 EST Subject: [naktalk] Difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl Message-ID: <283.68d1e1a.313d1a3e@aol.com> Hi Everyone! Can anyone explain to me what is the difference between these two models. I used to own a 700 zxl and was amazed! at the quality of the recording and the amount of parts inside the machine was in mint shape , I have never! owned a 1000 zxl , what will be a fair price for it in good condition also would like to know other than cosmetic was there any difference between the 1000zxl gold limited model and the regular 1000zxl. Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Mar 6 05:57:54 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:57:54 EST Subject: [naktalk] Service for Nakamichi Dragon Message-ID: <2cd.45e203e.313d1b52@aol.com> Hi Kannan, Do you work on the Nakamichi Casstte decks? I was wondering if my Dragon ever breaks down can I send it you for service?!! are you in USA or abroad?! Let me know! Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Mar 6 07:25:05 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:25:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - ALEX and GRAHAM Message-ID: <4B3863FC-1017-4C65-83ED-8E20C39C4FA6@alumni.caltech.edu> Marc is correct that the type of tape is set automatically by ABLE for the 1000ZXLs only. The 700zxl also has a wimpier version of ABLE where you have to pick the tape type (it is supposed to give an error if you pick wrong for the tape type, which is the way the switch is labelled for "bias." The ABLE in the 700zxl just fine-tunes things from there. It only has 3 oscillators in the ABLE circuit rather than the 4 the 1000zxl has. > You only need > to select 120 or 70 EQ, before making the A.B.L.E. Actually, that's not correct. It doesn't matter what postion the [playback] EQ is in during ABLE. You can set the EQ to either after the ABLE and that just determins what EQ the tape is supposed to be played back at. The record EQ is "set" automatically by able to get flat frequency response no matter what the the playback EQ is set at (but it DOES matter what you have it set at when you record).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 09:19:21 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:19:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO In-Reply-To: <4B3863FC-1017-4C65-83ED-8E20C39C4FA6@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060306081921.88489.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, The eq switch for the 1000ZXL has to be set after ABLE has completed alignment. Is that what you are trying to say? Regards Bala 79Labs "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Marc is correct that the type of tape is set automatically by ABLE for the 1000ZXLs only. The 700zxl also has a wimpier version of ABLE where you have to pick the tape type (it is supposed to give an error if you pick wrong for the tape type, which is the way the switch is labelled for "bias." The ABLE in the 700zxl just fine-tunes things from there. It only has 3 oscillators in the ABLE circuit rather than the 4 the 1000zxl has. You only need to select 120 or 70 EQ, before making the A.B.L.E. Actually, that's not correct. It doesn't matter what postion the [playback] EQ is in during ABLE. You can set the EQ to either after the ABLE and that just determins what EQ the tape is supposed to be played back at. The record EQ is "set" automatically by able to get flat frequency response no matter what the the playback EQ is set at (but it DOES matter what you have it set at when you record).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 09:35:01 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:35:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <283.68d1e1a.313d1a3e@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060306083501.37399.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali, I guess someone in the Nakamichi clan must have had some interest in the gold business and they needed a way to reduce their stockpile. No..actually, its a product of those rare moments, when a company decides to ignore reality and the accounts department and turns its engineers loose. The Nakamichi team essentially used hand-matched audiophile grade components and gold plated all the connectors, heads, flywheels, everything, right down to the heatsink on the power supply. On the regular machine, its just steel. On the limited, its copper with gold plating. The transport is carefully constructed with the capstan flywheel being dynamically balanced and pretty much most of the tape path gold plated. Then comes the leather bound instruction manual, the gold front panel all customized for you. Some prefer the sound of the 700ZXL. The 1000ZXL has a more deeper cleaner and smoother bass. The treble is extended and sweet. When you close your eyes, decks, give you the sound of a very good cassette deck. But with the ZXLs, when you close your eyes, you could almost visualize the 10in spools on a reel deck turning. That were the words of a fellow Naktalk member, which rung true. Best Regards Bala 79Labs BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone! Can anyone explain to me what is the difference between these two models. I used to own a 700 zxl and was amazed! at the quality of the recording and the amount of parts inside the machine was in mint shape , I have never! owned a 1000 zxl , what will be a fair price for it in good condition also would like to know other than cosmetic was there any difference between the 1000zxl gold limited model and the regular 1000zxl. Thanks! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 09:40:15 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:40:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Classic Idler replacement part In-Reply-To: <440B78ED.1000101@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060306084015.36616.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, How good does the MCM part work? That tire is so important in getting things to work. I had an old timer bring in his 1000ZXL telling it was short up and nothing works. It would play, stop. That's it. A new reel motion sensor bulb got it to play again, but nothing else worked. Then the machine started chewing up my TDK-ADX tapes! The computers stayed dead, and the sound was wobbly. Gave the pinch rollers a good clean and changed the idler tire. The performance came back to mark and the computers snapped awake. Those tires, if less then ideal, can cause all sorts of problems and wreak havoc. Best Regards Bala 79Labs Ron wrote: Andres Raba wrote: > Hi Dean, > > The Liberman Sound web store link is here: > > http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=67 > > Price is $10 a piece. Seeing that they also charge 10 bucks for the Sankyo tire (that MCM used to charge 56 cents or so for), I would say They are kinda expensive. -- Ron > //I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if they > //cannot be gotten elsewhere. > > That would be great! The capstan belt for classic belt-driven transport > would also be an excellent candidate for having made by some high > quality rubber plant. Following original strict specifications and > tolerances of course. > > Good luck with the idler replacements, > Andres > > > //Hi Andres: > //Thanks for pointing this out as I will need several tires for my > //decks. I would also like to see a Lieberman sound tire. Can you send > //me contact info for them. > //I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if they > //cannot be gotten elsewhere. > //Regards, > //Dean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Mar 6 09:47:50 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:47:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl Message-ID: My manual isn't leather-bound. It's a black glossy-coated heavier gauge paper, with gold writing, though. It's an original as far as I know (and looks like it) From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Mar 6 09:49:06 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:49:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO Message-ID: ssentially, yes. It needs to be set so the correct thing gets written to the RAMM data (if you use that) or stored in the memories (if you use those). However, the quote from the manual (the black ZXL Limited manual), page 10, Step #9 under the "Auto Calibration" topic this is admittedly after the calibration has been run) says: 9. Choose the positions of the playback equiization switch (17) and the noise reduction switch (22). These two switches have no effect during the auto calibration procedure. In general choose the "120" position for "normal" or "LH" type tapes and the "70" position for "chrome" and "metal" type tapes. I take that to mean it doesn't matter what it's set to during the autocal.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 11:14:08 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 02:14:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060306101408.73255.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Whew! I almost thought I had got the software wrong! Yes during autocal, the position isn't relevant, but is necessary for RAMM encoding and memory recall. During the autocal, the light stayed at 70 no matter which way the switch was. Regards Bala 79Labs "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: ssentially, yes. It needs to be set so the correct thing gets written to the RAMM data (if you use that) or stored in the memories (if you use those). However, the quote from the manual (the black ZXL Limited manual), page 10, Step #9 under the "Auto Calibration" topic this is admittedly after the calibration has been run) says: 9. Choose the positions of the playback equiization switch (17) and the noise reduction switch (22). These two switches have no effect during the auto calibration procedure. In general choose the "120" position for "normal" or "LH" type tapes and the "70" position for "chrome" and "metal" type tapes. I take that to mean it doesn't matter what it's set to during the autocal.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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It's an original as far as I know (and looks like it) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Mar 6 13:40:47 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:40:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] Classic Idler and Pinch Rollers Message-ID: Hi Bala, Is it possible to find replacement rubber pinch roller for Akai gxc 760d , your help will be much appreciated! The nakamichi 700zxl was a great machine! loved it! and a monster! considering it was a cassette deck, hope to find myself another one or a 1000zxl, also would love to have a akai gx f95 used to have one of these also. Also have a revox b710 mk1 need a main micro processor chip for this. Again your kind! HELP! would be very much appreciated!!!! Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 6 15:13:03 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 09:13:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <20060306083501.37399.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060306083501.37399.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <440C436F.3010408@rcn.com> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Ali, > > > > I guess someone in the Nakamichi clan must have had some > interest in the gold business and they needed a way to reduce their > stockpile. No..actually, its a product of those rare moments, when a > company decides to ignore reality and the accounts department and turns > its engineers loose. I suspect the Limited Edition was hatched in Marketing, rather then Engineering. Based on all reports, the 1000ZXL and the 1000ZXL Limited Edition are essentially the same deck, but with some parts gold plated; mostly, where it makes aesthetic -- but not operational -- difference. > The Nakamichi team essentially used hand-matched > audiophile grade components ... 'Hand matched' to what? As to 'audiophile grade', I was told the P/Ls show the same components for both. Specifically, ICs are the same, as are resistors and caps. > ... and gold plated all the connectors, Gold plating on connectors is beneficial, but only long term and the result can easily be duplicated by unplugging and replugging each connector once every few years. > heads, flywheels, everything, right down to the heatsink on the power > supply. Technically, black passivated heat sinks are superiour to gold plated ones. > On the regular machine, its just steel. Really? I thought it was Aluminum. It's cheaper and better suited for the job by far. > ... On the limited, its > copper with gold plating. The transport is carefully constructed with > the capstan flywheel being dynamically balanced and pretty much most of > the tape path gold plated. > > Then comes the leather bound instruction manual, the gold front panel > all customized for you. Yep... Like I said, hatched in Marketing, not Engineering. Sorry to be so negative, and, no, I have not heard them side by side for comparison. But my gut feel is that a blind listening test will reveal zero sonic difference between the two. -- Ron > ... Some prefer the sound of the 700ZXL. The 1000ZXL > has a more deeper cleaner and smoother bass. The treble is extended and > sweet. When you close your eyes, decks, give you the sound of a very > good cassette deck. But with the ZXLs, when you close your eyes, > you could almost visualize the 10in spools on a reel deck turning. That > were the words of a fellow Naktalk member, which rung true. > > Best Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > > */BOEING747600 at aol.com /* wrote: > > Hi Everyone! Can anyone explain to me what is the difference > between these two models. I used to own a 700 zxl and was amazed! > at the quality of the recording and the amount of parts inside the > machine was in mint shape , I have never! owned a 1000 zxl , what > will be a fair price for it in good condition also would like to > know other than cosmetic was there any difference between the > 1000zxl gold limited model and the regular 1000zxl. Thanks! > > Ali From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Mon Mar 6 15:56:48 2006 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 09:56:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Classic Idler and Pinch Rollers Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3C55C97@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Does anyone know what an LX-5 sold for new in the U.S. circa 1983? Thanks. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Classic Idler and Pinch Rollers Hi Bala, Is it possible to find replacement rubber pinch roller for Akai gxc 760d , your help will be much appreciated! The nakamichi 700zxl was a great machine! loved it! and a monster! considering it was a cassette deck, hope to find myself another one or a 1000zxl, also would love to have a akai gx f95 used to have one of these also. Also have a revox b710 mk1 need a main micro processor chip for this. Again your kind! HELP! would be very much appreciated!!!! Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 17:31:44 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:31:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <440C436F.3010408@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060306163144.64182.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, Occasionaly those kinds of things do happen. Especially today, when a product has crossed its apex of popularity and technical supreme, the company adds something, changes something or improves something and out comes a Limited Edition. Some guy tweaks something, puts his signature on the front panel and its supposedly a special or limited edition. But for a company thats hatched by engineers, and has genuinely worked to bring the cassette medium to a high level of performance, I do not think they need the marketing hype. In the later years, things were looking more bleaker for the company and overall quality was dropping. But not at this time period, when the company was at its peak. They are essentially the same deck. But execution is where the difference all takes place. The components must have been of a better grade and tolerance and values between each channel was closer. Well Ron, just the front panel alone has 18 connectors to the rest of the machine! If I were to exercise these connectors once every few years, its going to put strain on me, and the crimps! Gold has better conductivity and does last longer. It is the last word on connectors - otherwise why would the wires within an IC be made of gold? Well I goofed on that - the heatsink is aluminium. Yes black ones are better, but hey if they are doing it, why not do it thoroughly? I have heard and worked with both decks side by side. The gold does have a better margin. Otherwise, they could not have justified the price tag and sold the number of machines they had. Had it came out 15 years earlier, it would have hit icon status if they had potrayed in the movie Goldfinger. Auric would have simply loved it and lusted after it. Regards Bala 79Labs Ron wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Ali, > > > > I guess someone in the Nakamichi clan must have had some > interest in the gold business and they needed a way to reduce their > stockpile. No..actually, its a product of those rare moments, when a > company decides to ignore reality and the accounts department and turns > its engineers loose. I suspect the Limited Edition was hatched in Marketing, rather then Engineering. Based on all reports, the 1000ZXL and the 1000ZXL Limited Edition are essentially the same deck, but with some parts gold plated; mostly, where it makes aesthetic -- but not operational -- difference. > The Nakamichi team essentially used hand-matched > audiophile grade components ... 'Hand matched' to what? As to 'audiophile grade', I was told the P/Ls show the same components for both. Specifically, ICs are the same, as are resistors and caps. > ... and gold plated all the connectors, Gold plating on connectors is beneficial, but only long term and the result can easily be duplicated by unplugging and replugging each connector once every few years. > heads, flywheels, everything, right down to the heatsink on the power > supply. Technically, black passivated heat sinks are superiour to gold plated ones. > On the regular machine, its just steel. Really? I thought it was Aluminum. It's cheaper and better suited for the job by far. > ... On the limited, its > copper with gold plating. The transport is carefully constructed with > the capstan flywheel being dynamically balanced and pretty much most of > the tape path gold plated. > > Then comes the leather bound instruction manual, the gold front panel > all customized for you. Yep... Like I said, hatched in Marketing, not Engineering. Sorry to be so negative, and, no, I have not heard them side by side for comparison. But my gut feel is that a blind listening test will reveal zero sonic difference between the two. -- Ron > ... Some prefer the sound of the 700ZXL. The 1000ZXL > has a more deeper cleaner and smoother bass. The treble is extended and > sweet. When you close your eyes, decks, give you the sound of a very > good cassette deck. But with the ZXLs, when you close your eyes, > you could almost visualize the 10in spools on a reel deck turning. That > were the words of a fellow Naktalk member, which rung true. > > Best Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > > */BOEING747600 at aol.com /* wrote: > > Hi Everyone! Can anyone explain to me what is the difference > between these two models. I used to own a 700 zxl and was amazed! > at the quality of the recording and the amount of parts inside the > machine was in mint shape , I have never! owned a 1000 zxl , what > will be a fair price for it in good condition also would like to > know other than cosmetic was there any difference between the > 1000zxl gold limited model and the regular 1000zxl. Thanks! > > Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Mar 6 20:11:58 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:11:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO Message-ID: Actually, an earlier step on the same page notes exactly the behaviour your mentioned (that the light says "70" during autocal no matter what the setting of the switch).-kby From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 20:57:32 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:57:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Classic Idler replacement part In-Reply-To: <20060306084015.36616.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060306195732.70371.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MCM no longer has the Sankyo mechanism idler tire. Dalbani used to carry one too and they no longer do either. My local electronic store ordered a bunch for me from one of their suppliers (lectrosound or something like that). When I find out a source I will add it to my FAQ web page. >How good does the MCM part work? They work fine when you can get them. It is not a critical part, it will wear out in 2-3 years regardless of where you get it. I would love to find a couple of alternate sources of classic transport idler tires, but, a have so far only found Lieberman Sound. Scott J. --- Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Ron, > > How good does the MCM part work? That tire is so > important in getting things to work. I had an old timer bring in > his 1000ZXL telling it was short up and nothing works. It would > play, stop. That's it. > > A new reel motion sensor bulb got it to play again, but nothing > else worked. Then the machine started chewing up my TDK-ADX tapes! > The computers stayed dead, and the sound was wobbly. Gave the pinch > rollers a good clean and changed the idler tire. The performance > came back to mark and the computers snapped awake. Those tires, if > less then ideal, can cause all sorts of problems and wreak havoc. > > Best Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > Ron wrote: > > > Andres Raba wrote: > > Hi Dean, > > > > The Liberman Sound web store link is here: > > > > > http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=67 > > > > Price is $10 a piece. > > Seeing that they also charge 10 bucks for the > Sankyo tire (that MCM used to charge 56 cents > or so for), I would say They are kinda expensive. > > -- Ron > > > > //I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if > they > > //cannot be gotten elsewhere. > > > > That would be great! The capstan belt for classic belt-driven > transport > > would also be an excellent candidate for having made by some high > > > quality rubber plant. Following original strict specifications > and > > tolerances of course. > > > > Good luck with the idler replacements, > > Andres > > > > > > //Hi Andres: > > //Thanks for pointing this out as I will need several tires for > my > > //decks. I would also like to see a Lieberman sound tire. Can you > send > > //me contact info for them. > > //I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if > they > > //cannot be gotten elsewhere. > > //Regards, > > //Dean > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 21:07:10 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:07:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo Mechanism Idler still available from MCM In-Reply-To: <440B78ED.1000101@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060306200710.12622.qmail@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In an earlier post I said that MCM Electronics no longer carried the Sankyo mechanism idler. And I swear that I check about 4 months ago and it wasn't there. Well I checked again and it is still there. P/N 32-5665 http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=32%2D5665 $0.57 for 1, $0.53 each for 5-9 and $0.48 for 10 or more. Scott J. --- Ron wrote: > > > Andres Raba wrote: > > Hi Dean, > > > > The Liberman Sound web store link is here: > > > > > http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=67 > > > > Price is $10 a piece. > > Seeing that they also charge 10 bucks for the > Sankyo tire (that MCM used to charge 56 cents > or so for), I would say They are kinda expensive. > > -- Ron > > > > //I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if > they > > //cannot be gotten elsewhere. > > > > That would be great! The capstan belt for classic belt-driven > transport > > would also be an excellent candidate for having made by some high > > > quality rubber plant. Following original strict specifications > and > > tolerances of course. > > > > Good luck with the idler replacements, > > Andres > > > > > > //Hi Andres: > > //Thanks for pointing this out as I will need several tires for > my > > //decks. I would also like to see a Lieberman sound tire. Can > you send > > //me contact info for them. > > //I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if > they > > //cannot be gotten elsewhere. > > //Regards, > > //Dean > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From N4229K at aol.com Mon Mar 6 22:57:40 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:57:40 EST Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo Mechanism Idler still available from MCM Message-ID: <2d1.46ba035.313e0a54@aol.com> I have these in stock and sell for $5 shipped. If anyone needs one let me know. Dean In a message dated 3/6/2006 3:45:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: In an earlier post I said that MCM Electronics no longer carried the Sankyo mechanism idler. And I swear that I check about 4 months ago and it wasn't there. Well I checked again and it is still there. P/N 32-5665 http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=32 %2D5665 $0.57 for 1, $0.53 each for 5-9 and $0.48 for 10 or more. Scott J. --- Ron wrote: > > > Andres Raba wrote: > > Hi Dean, > > > > The Liberman Sound web store link is here: > > > > > http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=67 > > > > Price is $10 a piece. > > Seeing that they also charge 10 bucks for the > Sankyo tire (that MCM used to charge 56 cents > or so for), I would say They are kinda expensive. > > -- Ron > > > > //I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if > they > > //cannot be gotten elsewhere. > > > > That would be great! The capstan belt for classic belt-driven > transport > > would also be an excellent candidate for having made by some high > > > quality rubber plant. Following original strict specifications > and > > tolerances of course. > > > > Good luck with the idler replacements, > > Andres > > > > > > //Hi Andres: > > //Thanks for pointing this out as I will need several tires for > my > > //decks. I would also like to see a Lieberman sound tire. Can > you send > > //me contact info for them. > > //I am trying to develop idler replacements for Nak owners if > they > > //cannot be gotten elsewhere. > > //Regards, > > //Dean > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 23:49:15 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:49:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060306224915.44840.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes I remember seeing something like that mentioned in the manual, The one thing I really wished they had put into this deck was playback azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback machine Regards Bala 79Labs "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Actually, an earlier step on the same page notes exactly the behaviour your mentioned (that the light says "70" during autocal no matter what the setting of the switch).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 7 11:45:32 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:45:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO In-Reply-To: <20060306224915.44840.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 March 2006 22:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO The one thing I really wished they had put into this deck was playback azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback machine Regards Bala 79Labs I'm sure Jeff would oblige ... for a price! Eh Jeff? ! Grinham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Teac VU meters (needle, not LED). ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 March 2006 22:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO The one thing I really wished they had put into this deck was playback azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback machine Regards Bala 79Labs I'm sure Jeff would oblige ... for a price! Eh Jeff? ! Grinham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On the other hand I do have some parts you may want such as a capstan motor etc. I am presently in search for a record / bias head pair for this deck, Regards, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 7 18:19:02 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:19:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060307171902.65078.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> :) Regards Bala 79Labs Nelson wrote: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 March 2006 22:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO The one thing I really wished they had put into this deck was playback azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback machine Regards Bala 79Labs I'm sure Jeff would oblige ... for a price! Eh Jeff? ! Grinham ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at eslabs.com Tue Mar 7 18:37:05 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:37:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO References: Message-ID: <020201c6420d$c4818b30$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Sure! ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:45 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 March 2006 22:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO The one thing I really wished they had put into this deck was playback azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback machine Regards Bala 79Labs I'm sure Jeff would oblige ... for a price! Eh Jeff? ! Grinham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Mar 7 20:55:55 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:55:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl Message-ID: <1A543ED4-603F-431C-9A65-9EE7491625AD@alumni.caltech.edu> I thought I sent this, but it seems to have gotten lost somewhere. Aside from the purely cosmetic differences: 1. The 700zxl has a less sophisticated ABLE system with only 3 oscillators (400, 7.2k, and 15k Hz, or something close to those) that requires the user to set the tape type (key for bias amount, for the most part). The 1000zxl has 4 oscillators ( 400, 2.4k, 7.2k, and 20k, I think) and can figure out the bias amount from scratch. 2. The fluorescent meters on the 1000zxl have 56 segments. The LED meters on the 700zxl have significantly less (~30?) The limited, while essentially the same machine, is supposed to have hand-matched components to minimize tolerance build-up (so, for example, all the left channel parts don't end up +5% and all the right channel ones -5%, or something like that). 'Course, I don't know how much that's applicable if a machine has ever been repaired... I believe the capstan flywheels are machined brass. The frame is the same base material but coated to allegedly minimize resonances in the frame. The contacts are all gold-plated. The heads have gold (plated?) shields. At this point in time, I suspect it's well nigh impossible to figure out if the differences between the 1000zxl and the LTD version are real, since age, repair history, and so forth probably play a much larger role in how different machines sound. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Mar 7 21:05:19 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:05:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO Message-ID: > The one thing I really wished they had put into this deck was > playback azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback > machine I agree in theory, although I'm not sure in practice. I don't think the Dragon that I have (admittedly not tweaked up) sounds as good as the 1000zxl, even with a third party tape (maybe I don't have ones that are really that bad). Although the NAAC head is a very clever thing, I'm not sure there aren't other compromises inherent in it. Or did you mean a way to adjust it manually somehow, with a way to just calibrate it? I guess I could go for something that had a user-adjustable tweak, but was easy to reset to the 'factory' position--if it could be made reliable. I wish the RAMM feature worked better in the 1000zxl. I don't tend to like using the subsonic filter as it really starts to attenuate at 30Hz (OK, I'm being a purist here), but I find it is somewhat error-prone both ways (either can't find the signal or figures it out slightly wrong/gets confused) all too easily. The 6-second silence thing in playback making it think it's at the end is also not very useful to me, who listens mostly to classical, which has quiet passages longer than 6 seconds. Since I listen to classical, I don't tend to use it much to find a location on the tape (occasionally I'll have a tape with shorter works and try to use it there), although I've occasionally used it to cue multi-movement pieces, but I do like its ability to remember the correct playback settings on the tape—of course most of the time that's just the "appropriate" ones, but it's nice to know that it isn't. Since I use it that way, a feature I would like is just "go to RAMM #x (where x is usually 1)" and play the entire tape from there.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Mar 7 22:42:24 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:42:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <1A543ED4-603F-431C-9A65-9EE7491625AD@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <1A543ED4-603F-431C-9A65-9EE7491625AD@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <440DFE40.5020009@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: > I thought I sent this, but it seems to have gotten lost somewhere. > > [......] > > The limited, while essentially the same machine, is supposed to have > hand-matched components to minimize tolerance build-up > (so, for example, all the left channel parts don't end up +5% and all > the right channel ones -5%, or something like that). This doesn't make much sense. First, hand matching resistors on the production line is seriously more expensive than buying tighter tolerance components in the first place. Second, wide tolerance resistors (say, 5%) have low long term stability as well, meaning that even if they are matched when new, they can drift apart during use. After 10 or 20 years, their value is anyone's bet. Nowadays, the best approach will be to use metal film 1% resistors to start with. The cost difference, considering the machine price, is nil. However, due to the large number of resistors and the laws of statistics, I doubt very much that will have any real world advantage. It *will* look better on the sales literature, though. -- Ron From yregelman at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 22:47:14 2006 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:47:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Yet another azimuth question Message-ID: <3beaa6a90603071347q5eacfbffk8300188bed484f72@mail.gmail.com> Hello Nakamichians! Here is a problem I've been trying to wrap my head around: my CR 7 deck is very dependent on the cassette shell for it's azimuth alignment. Basically, after recording on both sides of the same cassette I find that I have to adjust the playback azimuth depending on the side of the cassette I am currently playing back. The difference is clearly audible and often translates into 3-4 bars on the azimuth adjust scale. The difference is very simliar when I go from one cassette to another. I know shell is supposed to have affect on azimuth, but this seems overly exaggerated and I suspect some mechanical problem... Could anyone offer an advice on what could be causing this? Thanks Y -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Mar 7 23:02:11 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:02:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440E02E3.8000708@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> The one thing I really wished they had put into this deck was playback >> azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback machine > > I agree in theory, although I'm not sure in practice. I don't think the > Dragon that I have (admittedly not tweaked up) sounds as good > as the 1000zxl, even with a third party tape (maybe I don't have ones > that are really that bad). Although the NAAC > head is a very clever thing, I'm not sure there aren't other compromises > inherent in it. Or did you mean a way to adjust it > manually somehow, with a way to just calibrate it? I wonder if you mean, in a way similar to the CR-7? The problem with the CR-7 manual PB azimuth adjustment is that with much actual program material, it is not easy to judge the correct adjustment point by ear. This often results in an incorrect setting, that may become apparent later on in the tape. Bottom line: the CR-7 azimuth adjustment feature isn't as useful as it could be. I have put some thought to correcting this. The best would be an automatic adjustment, but this would necessitate some serious additions to the F/W, for which, in all probability, there is no memory space. A simpler approach would be to display high frequency content of the output signal, so adjustment could be made by eye, rather than by ear. Being too busy (not to mention, too lazy), thinking about it is all I have done so far... -- Ron > I guess I could go > for something that had a user-adjustable tweak, but was > easy to reset to the 'factory' position--if it could be made reliable. > > I wish the RAMM feature worked better in the 1000zxl. I don't tend to > like using the subsonic filter as it really starts to attenuate at 30Hz > (OK, I'm being a purist here), but I find it is somewhat error-prone > both ways (either can't find the signal or figures it out slightly > wrong/gets confused) all too easily. The 6-second silence thing in > playback making it think it's at the end is also not very useful > to me, who listens mostly to classical, which has quiet passages longer > than 6 seconds. Since I listen to classical, I don't tend to use it much > to find a location on the tape (occasionally I'll have a tape with > shorter works and try to use it there), although I've occasionally used it > to cue multi-movement pieces, but I do like its ability to remember the > correct playback settings on the tape—of course most of the time > that's just the "appropriate" ones, but it's nice to know that it isn't. > > Since I use it that way, a feature I would like is just "go to RAMM #x > (where x is usually 1)" and play the entire tape from there.-kby From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Mar 7 22:09:07 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:09:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 -- that good, or not? In-Reply-To: <44090F70.4090107@yahoo.ca> References: <44090F70.4090107@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <440DF673.1060309@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine! Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I first recorded with my BX-2 Silver (Stock). With this one, I DO hear a > difference between the original and copy. Do you think that an > adjustment could help it? I think that the mods that have been done in > my other BX-2 might be the reason also... I'd check the usual suspects: bias, record/reproduce EQ, and head azimuth. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Mar 7 22:43:00 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:43:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit wins Major Award In-Reply-To: References: <43D90FDD.7090907@bellsouth.net> <43D9BAA1.60408@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <440DFE64.7060809@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Brien, Brien wrote: > Kermit, on behalf of the naktalk group and in thanks for your >efforts, > I finally sent the shockmount. I hope you find it both unique and >useful I am very grateful! it is better than the awful shockmount made for my CAD Equitek E200 and MXL 2003. Also beats the shockmount Shure provides with the KSM32 as well as the over-priced AudioTechnica. It's already made a difference in some recent recordings I've made. This is now the Official Shockmount of KVG Labs. Pass the word. As I mentioned in the past, I really enjoyed this latest Nakathon project -- its outcome has in large part influenced the direction I'm taking my studio as I complete its construction. Also al the well-wishes have been a boon to me and have helped to keep my creative juices flowing. My thanks to all of you! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Mar 7 22:55:28 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:55:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of a Nak convention and the cabbage award for worst tape! In-Reply-To: References: <200602231101.k1NB18lh006209@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <440E0150.8090409@woods-and-waters.com> earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > Hi again > > Im really glad my Dragon / Cabbage challenge appeals ......... its all > about listening pleasure so a top Nak's ability to sort out an obscure > or plainly dreadful tape will be really interesting. May the worst tape > owner win ........... well, win something, for their efforts. I'll let > you think up a prize... AKG d200 purrhaps? > > Sounds like the convention is shaping up well and no doubt the > programme you are developing will have some impact on numbers > attending......... Well, I have at least two bands lined up for certain, with two others possible, depending on the play dates. I naively thought all I had to do for webcasts was to hook up an on-air console to a DSL modem. Wrong. Very wrong. Several of you wrote me offlist to explain what's involved. Thanks! Fred Lifton has volunteered to help me put together streaming video files of the convention highlights for those who cannot attend in person. Also the files will be made available for those who attend to download for later reference. At least what I've learned about lighting, production and audio still applies to webcase and streaming videos. I don't know how a good streaming video's video is, but I do know it will probably be the best audio ever put out over the Internet. I hope to have a pro forma schedule soon. All suggestions, ideas, comments, and belches welcome. >>> If there is a nak gathering how about the Cabbage award >>> for the sonically worst commercially released cassette of the last >>> century? I could post the aforementioned specimens in and the rest of us >>> could hear how a Dragon deals with such challenging items as the worst >>> prerecorded cassette on the planet. >> >> >> FAB idea! We'll do it! > > >> I'm nbusily weorkiong toward that objective > > > Those are some wondrous typos Kermit ......... wot you on? :-) Been cleaning LPs in a small closed room with the VPI HW 16.5 machine. Now even The New Christy Minstrels sounds good. ACTUALLY, the typos are caused by the temporary loss of dexterity I sometimes suffer. It passes, fortunately. Good thing I'm not a neurosurgeon. > we have updated our website if anyones interested but theres nothing > about Naks there just a real sweet website ......if'n yo is interested! > www.bechbaskets.net Groooooovy web site, man! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Mar 7 22:57:46 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:57:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] I'm back. Why does my tape sound so bad........ long & possible digression alert: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060223142934.01c41410@psulias.psu.edu> References: <200602060435.k164ZqQk006552@zxe.naks.com> <43FD5A7D.3050600@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060223142934.01c41410@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <440E01DA.9030505@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Derrick, Derrick Beckner wrote: > I've got some German tape of the Yardbirds that is absolutely > atrocious. I'll try to get some details. I have stuff taped off my > Craig all in one kiddie stereo onto generic $.25 tapes that sound better. > > >>> If there is a nak gathering how about the Cabbage award for the >>> sonically worst commercially released cassette of the last century? I >>> could post the aforementioned specimens in and the rest of us could >>> hear how a Dragon deals with such challenging items as the worst >>> prerecorded cassette on the planet. Blecch. Yes, that does sound atrocious. You've beat me. The worst cassettes I had were some muddy Tchaichovsky cassettes, but Yardbirds -- oh my! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 8 01:06:35 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 00:06:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Yet another azimuth question In-Reply-To: <3beaa6a90603071347q5eacfbffk8300188bed484f72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes. It is almost certainly due to poor cassette shell construction. By any chance, are you using TDK's? I have the same problem with European made TDK with my ZX-9, but no such thing with BASF, Maxell or Japanese made TDK MA-XG. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Yuri Regelman Sent: 07 March 2006 21:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Yet another azimuth question Hello Nakamichians! Here is a problem I've been trying to wrap my head around: my CR 7 deck is very dependent on the cassette shell for it's azimuth alignment. Basically, after recording on both sides of the same cassette I find that I have to adjust the playback azimuth depending on the side of the cassette I am currently playing back. The difference is clearly audible and often translates into 3-4 bars on the azimuth adjust scale. The difference is very simliar when I go from one cassette to another. I know shell is supposed to have affect on azimuth, but this seems overly exaggerated and I suspect some mechanical problem... Could anyone offer an advice on what could be causing this? Thanks Y -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 01:58:43 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:58:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO In-Reply-To: <440E02E3.8000708@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060308005843.34160.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron 1. When I tried to check azimuth ( in Cassette deck 1 ) using 15 Khz signal at -20dB - only method that works is by connecting good bandwidth DMM to the output. I was shocked to see - eventhough the record head is fixed ) azimuth varies from one end of the tape to middle while recording on this machine. However you cannot hear the difference of lower frequency as they donot show variation in 10 Khz or less range. So Dragon works definitely better as people cannot hear Azimuth very accurately. 2. CR 7 works in steps because of gear drive to shift the azimuth for record calibration function unlike Cassette Deck . I found cassette deck 1 ' play azimuth is more useful than CR7. 3. Finally 1000 ZXL' play back amp can be adapted to any Nak old transport 3 head - they all can be as good as a 1000ZXL! Infact 700 ZXE is the choice of Stephen due to its Playback circuit. I find it a bit off the limit when people say Select Heads etc but Dragon' play head is quite advanced. CR 7 Play back calibration is done infact at two frequencies unlike 1000 ZXL where the circuit is designed for calibrating entire bandwidth up to 24 Khz. If same such circuit is adapted for Dragon or CR 7 it is possible to mimic 1000 ZXL. Finally CR 7 is a good compromise with lot of user friendly fatures. It is also easily serviceable and very fine sounding Nakamichi. Ron wrote: Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> The one thing I really wished they had put into this deck was playback >> azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback machine > > I agree in theory, although I'm not sure in practice. I don't think the > Dragon that I have (admittedly not tweaked up) sounds as good > as the 1000zxl, even with a third party tape (maybe I don't have ones > that are really that bad). Although the NAAC > head is a very clever thing, I'm not sure there aren't other compromises > inherent in it. Or did you mean a way to adjust it > manually somehow, with a way to just calibrate it? I wonder if you mean, in a way similar to the CR-7? The problem with the CR-7 manual PB azimuth adjustment is that with much actual program material, it is not easy to judge the correct adjustment point by ear. This often results in an incorrect setting, that may become apparent later on in the tape. Bottom line: the CR-7 azimuth adjustment feature isn't as useful as it could be. I have put some thought to correcting this. The best would be an automatic adjustment, but this would necessitate some serious additions to the F/W, for which, in all probability, there is no memory space. A simpler approach would be to display high frequency content of the output signal, so adjustment could be made by eye, rather than by ear. Being too busy (not to mention, too lazy), thinking about it is all I have done so far... -- Ron > I guess I could go > for something that had a user-adjustable tweak, but was > easy to reset to the 'factory' position--if it could be made reliable. > > I wish the RAMM feature worked better in the 1000zxl. I don't tend to > like using the subsonic filter as it really starts to attenuate at 30Hz > (OK, I'm being a purist here), but I find it is somewhat error-prone > both ways (either can't find the signal or figures it out slightly > wrong/gets confused) all too easily. The 6-second silence thing in > playback making it think it's at the end is also not very useful > to me, who listens mostly to classical, which has quiet passages longer > than 6 seconds. Since I listen to classical, I don't tend to use it much > to find a location on the tape (occasionally I'll have a tape with > shorter works and try to use it there), although I've occasionally used it > to cue multi-movement pieces, but I do like its ability to remember the > correct playback settings on the tape—of course most of the time > that's just the "appropriate" ones, but it's nice to know that it isn't. > > Since I use it that way, a feature I would like is just "go to RAMM #x > (where x is usually 1)" and play the entire tape from there.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Gray wrote: > Hi Brien, > > Brien wrote: > > Kermit, on behalf of the naktalk group and in thanks for your > >efforts, > > I finally sent the shockmount. I hope you find it both unique > and >useful > > I am very grateful! it is better than the awful shockmount made for > my CAD Equitek E200 and MXL 2003. Also beats the shockmount Shure > provides with the KSM32 as well as the over-priced AudioTechnica. > It's already made a difference in some recent recordings I've made. > This is now the Official Shockmount of KVG Labs. Pass the word. > > As I mentioned in the past, I really enjoyed this latest Nakathon > project -- its outcome has in large part influenced the direction > I'm taking my studio as I complete its construction. > > Also al the well-wishes have been a boon to me and have helped to > keep my creative juices flowing. My thanks to all of you! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for > recording and pro audio info! > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 03:15:15 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:15:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060308021515.9503.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, It has been done, by ESL on a ZX9. Am I correct with the details Jeff? Well no Kimo, the Dragon's fire does short of the 1000ZXL's. Believe it or not, the 1000ZXL has a rather simple playback chain and I find the Dragon (even more the CR7) complex. Well there is a scheme of way to get it done, and its not to difficult really. But because the record head also has a azimuth system, its going to be pointless to have both heads adjustable. That means the record head's going to stay fixed. When I was setting up a machine for my dad's archiving system, people were telling me to go for the dragon. Well first it sounded good, and second it has NAAC. Without azimuth alignment, its more like using one setting on your tonearm and trying to fly with various cartridges. It will work, it may produce sound being close to the cart's specs, but its not going to work in harmony to produce what the system is really capable of. I even thought of asking him to play with the azimuth screw on the ZXL. But this has two problems - first its going to wear the alignment assy down. Second, the variation has to be just within a few degrees, and that precision wasn't feasible in that circumstance. The RAMM system records a signal at 5Hz so that gives plenty clearance at the bottom end. But why would you use the subsonic filter? Disc warp? The system does have a wierd way of searching for program and sometimes it can get confused. Especially if the tape is not good and heads are dirty. Program material seems to influence it as well. I've seen these shortcomings. Kimo, do email me offline, and we shall discuss this more. Regards Bala 79Labs mo B. Yap" wrote: The one thing I really wished they had put into this deck was playback azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback machine I agree in theory, although I'm not sure in practice. I don't think the Dragon that I have (admittedly not tweaked up) sounds as good as the 1000zxl, even with a third party tape (maybe I don't have ones that are really that bad). Although the NAAC head is a very clever thing, I'm not sure there aren't other compromises inherent in it. Or did you mean a way to adjust it manually somehow, with a way to just calibrate it? I guess I could go for something that had a user-adjustable tweak, but was easy to reset to the 'factory' position--if it could be made reliable. I wish the RAMM feature worked better in the 1000zxl. I don't tend to like using the subsonic filter as it really starts to attenuate at 30Hz (OK, I'm being a purist here), but I find it is somewhat error-prone both ways (either can't find the signal or figures it out slightly wrong/gets confused) all too easily. The 6-second silence thing in playback making it think it's at the end is also not very useful to me, who listens mostly to classical, which has quiet passages longer than 6 seconds. Since I listen to classical, I don't tend to use it much to find a location on the tape (occasionally I'll have a tape with shorter works and try to use it there), although I've occasionally used it to cue multi-movement pieces, but I do like its ability to remember the correct playback settings on the tape—of course most of the time that's just the "appropriate" ones, but it's nice to know that it isn't. Since I use it that way, a feature I would like is just "go to RAMM #x (where x is usually 1)" and play the entire tape from there.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 03:19:38 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:19:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Yet another azimuth question In-Reply-To: <3beaa6a90603071347q5eacfbffk8300188bed484f72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060308021938.94804.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Yuri, Are you using new tapes or new old stock? Regards Bala 79Labs Yuri Regelman wrote: Hello Nakamichians! Here is a problem I've been trying to wrap my head around: my CR 7 deck is very dependent on the cassette shell for it's azimuth alignment. Basically, after recording on both sides of the same cassette I find that I have to adjust the playback azimuth depending on the side of the cassette I am currently playing back. The difference is clearly audible and often translates into 3-4 bars on the azimuth adjust scale. The difference is very simliar when I go from one cassette to another. I know shell is supposed to have affect on azimuth, but this seems overly exaggerated and I suspect some mechanical problem... Could anyone offer an advice on what could be causing this? Thanks Y ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Mar 8 07:53:20 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 08:53:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Somewhat OT- Tascam 112 MK II Message-ID: Hi Thomas, I have a TASCAM 112 series 1: Of course, as a TASCAM, it is a professional rig from TEAC. I have the highest regard for mine - it's seems near indestructible and is a real workhorse. It features a single capstan direct drive transport and is as steady as a rock. Mine is slightly over biased, and as a result like the tapes with rising sensitivity (UX-S, XLII-S, MX-S, SA-X etc). It plays pre-recorded tapes very well. Dolby is well set up and Dolby C, unusually, is very good. You'll have to get used to VU meters which work on signal averages, not peaks. You won't regret owning one!! Cheers - Marc >>> Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov 3/7/2006 6:21 PM >>> Anyone know anything about this tape deck? Looks like a well-built two head Teac deck with Dolby B and C, HX Pro. Teac VU meters (needle, not LED). ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 March 2006 22:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak heads wear rate - KIMO The one thing I really wished they had put into this deck was playback azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback machine Regards Bala 79Labs I'm sure Jeff would oblige ... for a price! Eh Jeff? ! Grinham The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Mar 8 09:58:17 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:58:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 482 Message-ID: Very fine deck Thomas - double capstan with pad-lifter (classic Nak mechanism) - VU meters and no Dolby C - only B. Three header. MH >>> Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov 3/7/2006 6:43 PM >>> Have a chance to pick one up cheaply- $75 "needs cleaning". Any thoughts on this deck? ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of N4229K at aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3300xCrossfield Reel to Reel Hi Bala: I have a 10XD that is in super shape that I totally reworked but it seems record head is bad (intermittent) on one channel. I would be willing to sell for a fair price or if your record/bias heads are good I would be willing to buy. On the other hand I do have some parts you may want such as a capstan motor etc. I am presently in search for a record / bias head pair for this deck, Regards, Dean The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From logosfire at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 13:34:47 2006 From: logosfire at gmail.com (Logosfire) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:34:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL Message-ID: <55f362cf0603080434p35bfbd17sa8970f5679fe19ce@mail.gmail.com> The inherited unwelcome low level noise coming from headphone in source mood is gone after changing all the capacitors of the power supply. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Wed Mar 8 12:17:48 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:17:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thoughts on 481z re the 482 In-Reply-To: <200603072315.k27NFgcI023813@zxe.naks.com> References: <200603072315.k27NFgcI023813@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: >From: Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) >Subject:Nakamichi 482 > >Have a chance to pick one up cheaply- $75 "needs cleaning". Any >thoughts on this deck? hi Thomas I chuckle when I say i paid £6 for my 481z and then paid £200 to have it serviced by B & W in Britain. My approach to ebay nakaamichis at that time was buy it cheap and pay for the servicing and get a pukka end product. So needs cleaning is a useful metaphor for a seller .... it covers all sorts of issues, gears, wheels, cams, belts would all be fine if only you cleaned them....... which to me means a full service. I was happy to pay for the proper service, Im glad I didnt pay $75 and then have to pay $355 (UK rates) as well. However sonically and pleasure wise the 481z deck is simply wonderful ...... I cant recall what the 482 has ... is a real 3rd head there and better ie more leds....... well in that case it will be a more useful deck than mine which has a 3rd head but no monitor circuits ...... curious but there you are. In good order I say such a deck provides a deep access to analogue pleasures. Old tapes from 1970 provide far greater info than one would have believed was ever captured on tape in the first place.Occassionally those who know in this forum say the early NAK machines sound like ace vinyl players ... but the later ones sought to reproduce the cd sound then becoming ascendant. Well if thats true and you like a deep analogue sound and the 482 is an improved 481z then you will be in for a whole host of musical treats. It has slightly put me off cd's ...... however I dont really have an optimal cd player/amp combo as it all leans to analogue. Needless to say one assumes spending ones cash on a better machine from the same era of Naks will give this deep analogue groove but if 'cleaned via a service' you will not regret the investment. I have hardly played a CD since getting mine back from B & W just in time for Christmass when my wife paid the bill as a Christmass present for me. She likes the irremovable grin on my face I was promised by Marc 'down' in South Africa. ( thanks Marc hope all is well for you) She was motivated to pay the bill after listening to some old tapes i put on the 481z after the ebay purchase but before the service and noticing the 'bless my soul I never heard that like this before' thing that happened .......it was immediately noticable to someone sitting in another room ........ which in my book of wisdom is what music and hi fi is all about. We had never had that experience before with tapes. Now we have it all the time. Which is a reason to be grateful.Hope this is of some help peace ianr scotland From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 14:40:26 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:40:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Supercharged - Ron and Kannan In-Reply-To: <20060308005843.34160.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060308134026.29705.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan, The CR7 does not quite work in steps. The motor has a worm gear which drives a big black spur gear which shifts a metal movement. But because due to the nature of the system, there is only so much precision. But the bar graph shows it in discrete steps. I do concur that its so much easier and accurate to have an automated system with a high-freq tone is much more accurate. But there are some recordings that do not have much high-freq content, and sometimes, I have found myself needing that manual control. Pretty much like why even state-of-art SLRDs offer manual along with auto-focus lens. As for the 1000ZXL, it shares the same playback circuit with the 700ZXL. Its not the most quietest circuit out there, definitely the Dragon has better specs. And the CR7 gets better. But grafting the playback circuit is not going to be enough. Between the two ZXL decks, they have the same playback circuit but sound so much different. Power supplies, wiring, output stages all combine to form the final sound. The Dragon and CR7 have the same playback circuits but sound vastly different. One would immediately go " Hey Bala, but the heads, the output circuits, the this and that'. But I am sure you get the point. But, with suitable tweaking, and modifying the Dragon can be made into a giant killer. But in order to touch the 1000ZXL, items such construction, system layout and components need to be looked into. Rather then undertake a project of such magnitude, I would rather buy Kermit's upcoming machine. I hear gossip that its got no noise reduction, updated and quiet electronics and better heads and transport. And no, I don't own stocks in his company. Regards Bala 79Labs kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Ron 1. When I tried to check azimuth ( in Cassette deck 1 ) using 15 Khz signal at -20dB - only method that works is by connecting good bandwidth DMM to the output. I was shocked to see - eventhough the record head is fixed ) azimuth varies from one end of the tape to middle while recording on this machine. However you cannot hear the difference of lower frequency as they donot show variation in 10 Khz or less range. So Dragon works definitely better as people cannot hear Azimuth very accurately. 2. CR 7 works in steps because of gear drive to shift the azimuth for record calibration function unlike Cassette Deck . I found cassette deck 1 ' play azimuth is more useful than CR7. 3. Finally 1000 ZXL' play back amp can be adapted to any Nak old transport 3 head - they all can be as good as a 1000ZXL! Infact 700 ZXE is the choice of Stephen due to its Playback circuit. I find it a bit o! ff the limit when people say Select Heads etc but Dragon' play head is quite advanced. CR 7 Play back calibration is done infact at two frequencies unlike 1000 ZXL where the circuit is designed for calibrating entire bandwidth up to 24 Khz. If same such circuit is adapted for Dragon or CR 7 it is possible to mimic 1000 ZXL. Finally CR 7 is a good compromise with lot of user friendly fatures. It is also easily serviceable and very fine sounding Nakamichi. Ron wrote: Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> The one thing I really wished they had put into this deck was playback >> azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback machine > > I agree in theory, although I'm not sure in practice. I don't think the > Dr! agon that I have (admittedly not tweaked up) sounds as good > as the 1000zxl, even with a third party tape (maybe I don't have ones > that are really that bad). Although the NAAC > head is a very clever thing, I'm not sure there aren't other compromises > inherent in it. Or did you mean a way to adjust it > manually somehow, with a way to just calibrate it? I wonder if you mean, in a way similar to the CR-7? The problem with the CR-7 manual PB azimuth adjustment is that with much actual program material, it is not easy to judge the correct adjustment point by ear. This often results in an incorrect setting, that may become apparent later on in the tape. Bottom line: the CR-7 azimuth adjustment feature isn't as useful as it could be. I have put some thought to correcting this. The best would be an automatic adjustment, but this would necessitate some serious additions to the F/W, for which, in all probability! , there is no memory space. A simpler approach would be to display high frequency content of the output signal, so adjustment could be made by eye, rather than by ear. Being too busy (not to mention, too lazy), thinking about it is all I have done so far... -- Ron > I guess I could go > for something that had a user-adjustable tweak, but was > easy to reset to the 'factory' position--if it could be made reliable. > > I wish the RAMM feature worked better in the 1000zxl. I don't tend to > like using the subsonic filter as it really starts to attenuate at 30Hz > (OK, I'm being a purist here), but I find it is somewhat error-prone > both ways (either can't find the signal or figures it out slightly > wrong/gets confused) all too easily. The 6-second silence thing in > playback making it think it's at the end is also not very useful > to me, who listens mostly to classical, which has qu! iet passages longer > than 6 seconds. Since I listen to classical, I don't tend to use it much > to find a location on the tape (occasionally I'll have a tape with > shorter works and try to use it there), although I've occasionally used it > to cue multi-movement pieces, but I do like its ability to remember the > correct playback settings on the tape—of course most of the time > that's just the "appropriate" ones, but it's nice to know that it isn't. > > Since I use it that way, a feature I would like is just "go to RAMM #x > (where x is usually 1)" and play the entire tape from there.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 8 22:05:00 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:05:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Yet another azimuth question In-Reply-To: <3beaa6a90603071347q5eacfbffk8300188bed484f72@mail.gmail.com> References: <3beaa6a90603071347q5eacfbffk8300188bed484f72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440F46FC.5060709@rcn.com> As you acknowledge, azimuth does depend on the cassette shell. If it didn't, we would only need to adjust azimuth once and it would then be correct for all tapes, much like a R-T-R deck. In most cassettes, shell sides are not absolutely parallel. If the dependence is extreme, though, there could be a problem with a specific cassette or a faulty batch. If the problem occurs with all cassettes, there could be some misalignment problem with the seating of the cassette shell inside the cassette well. Personally, I have never seen this happen, but, for example, it's conceivable the backing plate could be flexed, or the seating guide could be bent. It wouldn't take much misalignment to cause this behaviour. -- Ron Yuri Regelman wrote: > Hello Nakamichians! > > Here is a problem I've been trying to wrap my head around: > my CR 7 deck is very dependent on the cassette shell for it's azimuth > alignment. > Basically, after recording on both sides of the same cassette I find > that I have > to adjust the playback azimuth depending on the side of the cassette I > am currently > playing back. The difference is clearly audible and often translates > into 3-4 bars on > the azimuth adjust scale. The difference is very simliar when I go from > one cassette > to another. I know shell is supposed to have affect on azimuth, but > this seems overly > exaggerated and I suspect some mechanical problem... Could anyone offer > an advice > on what could be causing this? > Thanks > Y From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 8 23:07:32 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:07:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Supercharged - Ron and Kannan In-Reply-To: <20060308134026.29705.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060308134026.29705.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <440F55A4.7030304@rcn.com> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > The CR7 does not quite work in steps. The motor has a worm > gear which drives a big black spur gear which shifts a metal movement. > But because due to the nature of the system, there is only so much > precision. As I just mentioned to Kannan, the CR-7 changes azimuth in steps because that's how it's controlled by the processor. The value of degrees per bit (which is the smallest possible step) is too high. > But the bar graph shows it in discrete steps. I do concur > that its so much easier and accurate to have an automated system with a > high-freq tone is much more accurate. But there are some recordings that > do not have much high-freq content, and sometimes, I have found myself > needing that manual control. Pretty much like why even state-of-art > SLRDs offer manual along with auto-focus lens. Well, my view is that we need to adjust azimuth only when high frequencies are present. When the program material does not contain high frequencies, azimuth accuracy is a moot point. -- Ron > As for the 1000ZXL, it shares the same playback circuit with the 700ZXL. > Its not the most quietest circuit out there, definitely the Dragon has > better specs. And the CR7 gets better. But grafting the playback circuit > is not going to be enough. Between the tw! o ZXL decks, they have the > same playback circuit but sound so much different. Power supplies, > wiring, output stages all combine to form the final sound. > > The Dragon and CR7 have the same playback circuits but sound vastly > different. One would immediately go " Hey Bala, but the heads, the > output circuits, the this and that'. But I am sure you get the point. > > But, with suitable tweaking, and modifying the Dragon can be made into a > giant killer. But in order to touch the 1000ZXL, items > such construction, system layout and components need to be looked into. > > Rather then undertake a project of such magnitude, I would rather buy > Kermit's upcoming machine. I hear gossip that its got no noise > reduction, updated and quiet electronics and better heads and transport. > And no, I don't own stocks in his company. > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > Ron > 1. When I tried to check azimuth ( in Cassette deck 1 ) using 15 Khz > signal at -20dB - only method that works is by connecting good > bandwidth DMM to the output. I was shocked to see - eventhough the > record head is fixed ) azimuth varies from one end of the tape to > middle while recording on this machine. However you cannot hear the > difference of lower frequency as they donot show variation in 10 Khz > or less range. So Dragon works definitely better as people cannot > hear Azimuth very accurately. > > 2. CR 7 works in steps because of gear drive to shift the azimuth > for record calibration function unlike Cassette Deck . I found > cassette deck 1 ' play azimuth is more useful than CR7. > > ! > 3. Finally 1000 ZXL' play back amp can be adapted to any Nak old > transport 3 head - they all can be as good as a 1000ZXL! Infact 700 > ZXE is the choice of Stephen due to its Playback circuit. I find it > a bit o! ff the limit when people say Select Heads etc but Dragon' > play head is quite advanced. > > CR 7 Play back calibration is done infact at two frequencies unlike > 1000 ZXL where the circuit is designed for calibrating entire > bandwidth up to 24 Khz. If same such circuit is adapted for Dragon > or CR 7 it is possible to mimic 1000 ZXL. > > > Finally CR 7 is a good compromise with lot of user friendly > fatures. It is also easily serviceable and very fine sounding > Nakamichi. > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Kimo B. Yap wrote: > >> The one thing I really wis! hed they had put into this deck > was playback > >> azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback > machine > > > > I agree in theory, although I'm not sure in practice. I don't > think the > > Dr! agon that I have (admittedly not tweaked up) sounds as good > > as the 1000zxl, even with a third party tape (maybe I don't > have ones > > that are really that bad). Although the NAAC > > head is a very clever thing, I'm not sure there aren't other > compromises > > inherent in it. Or did you mean a way to adjust it > > manually somehow, with a way to just calibrate it? > > I wonder if you mean, in a way similar to the CR-7? > The problem with the CR-7 manual PB azimuth adjustment > is that with much actual program material, it is not > easy to judge the correct adjustment point by ear. > This often results in an incorrect setting, that may > become apparent later on in the tape. Bottom line: > the CR-7 azimuth adjustment feature is! n't as useful > as it could be. > > I have put some thought to correcting this. The best > would be an automatic adjustment, but this would > necessitate some serious additions to the F/W, for > which, in all probability! , there is no memory space. > A simpler approach would be to display high frequency > content of the output signal, so adjustment could be > made by eye, rather than by ear. Being too busy (not > to mention, too lazy), thinking about it is all I have > done so far... > > -- Ron > > > > I guess I could go > > for something that had a user-adjustable tweak, but was > > easy to reset to the 'factory' position--if it could be made > reliable. > > > > I wish the RAMM feature worked better in the 1000zxl. I don't > tend to > > like using the subsonic filter as it really starts to > attenuate at 30Hz > > (OK, I'm being a purist here), but I find it is somewhat > error-prone > > both ways (either can't find the signal or fig! ures it out > slightly > > wrong/gets confused) all too easily. The 6-second silence > thing in > > playback making it think it's at the end is also not very useful > > to me, who listens mostly to classical, which has qu! iet > passages longer > > than 6 seconds. Since I listen to classical, I don't tend to > use it much > > to find a location on the tape (occasionally I'll have a tape > with > > shorter works and try to use it there), although I've > occasionally used it > > to cue multi-movement pieces, but I do like its ability to > remember the > > correct playback settings on the tape—of course most of the time > > that's just the "appropriate" ones, but it's nice to know > that it isn't. > > > > Since I use it that way, a feature I would like is just "go > to RAMM #x > > (where x is usually 1)" and play the entire tape from there.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From yregelman at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 03:28:39 2006 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:28:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Yet another azimuth question In-Reply-To: <440F46FC.5060709@rcn.com> References: <3beaa6a90603071347q5eacfbffk8300188bed484f72@mail.gmail.com> <440F46FC.5060709@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3beaa6a90603081828g19b8f32cqdf6d4d746438fbcc@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ron As far as I know R-T-R decks require azimuth adjustment as well and there is a lot of variance in their initial calibration and subsequent drift. I did use pretty cheap Maxell and TDK cassettes, new stock, so I guess I got what I paid for... :) However, what is surprising is how innefective the tape guides are. I thought they were supposed to keep the tape path pretty constant and virtually unaffected by the shell variance. RTR decks are a good example, because there the tape guides take care of keeping the tape path constant despite the fact that there is much less precision in how the tape is wound on the reel. Another surprising thing is that if the recording and playback heads are perfectly aligned, why would it matter is the tape is moving at a slight angle, that angle should be the same with respect to both of them and therefore alignment should still hold. What I'm observing is as if the tape path is not just misaligned, but curved... I apologize for the long rant, it's just I've been trying to figure that one for a couple of weeks now and I don't have all the right gauges to do full mechanical calibration On 3/8/06, Ron wrote: > > > As you acknowledge, azimuth does depend on the cassette > shell. If it didn't, we would only need to adjust azimuth > once and it would then be correct for all tapes, much like > a R-T-R deck. In most cassettes, shell sides are not > absolutely parallel. > > If the dependence is extreme, though, there could be a > problem with a specific cassette or a faulty batch. If the > problem occurs with all cassettes, there could be some > misalignment problem with the seating of the cassette shell > inside the cassette well. Personally, I have never seen this > happen, but, for example, it's conceivable the backing plate > could be flexed, or the seating guide could be bent. It > wouldn't take much misalignment to cause this behaviour. > > -- Ron > > > > Yuri Regelman wrote: > > Hello Nakamichians! > > > > Here is a problem I've been trying to wrap my head around: > > my CR 7 deck is very dependent on the cassette shell for it's azimuth > > alignment. > > Basically, after recording on both sides of the same cassette I find > > that I have > > to adjust the playback azimuth depending on the side of the cassette I > > am currently > > playing back. The difference is clearly audible and often translates > > into 3-4 bars on > > the azimuth adjust scale. The difference is very simliar when I go from > > one cassette > > to another. I know shell is supposed to have affect on azimuth, but > > this seems overly > > exaggerated and I suspect some mechanical problem... Could anyone offer > > an advice > > on what could be causing this? > > Thanks > > Y > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 03:55:19 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:55:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Yet another azimuth question In-Reply-To: <440F46FC.5060709@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060309025519.13894.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One way to solve this problem is to take a leaf from Aiwa's book. The Excelia used a solenoid clamp which presses the cassette firmly down. That should solve the problem to some extent. But I still prefer a variable azimuth head. It's ingenious because the thousands of other decks out there would not all be sitting in perfect alignment. But circumstances as such, we have had to record on them. To retrieve the information back accurately, its only logical that the tape deck be made to accurately track the material on the tape. I have come across tapes that have been poorly made, and have totally flexed out due to weather changes ( I live one degree north of the equater). For those really bad ones, I transfer the spools to a metal bodied shell for archiving purposes. The smoothed, lubricated rollers also help track the tapes better. Regards Bala 79Labs Ron wrote: As you acknowledge, azimuth does depend on the cassette shell. If it didn't, we would only need to adjust azimuth once and it would then be correct for all tapes, much like a R-T-R deck. In most cassettes, shell sides are not absolutely parallel. If the dependence is extreme, though, there could be a problem with a specific cassette or a faulty batch. If the problem occurs with all cassettes, there could be some misalignment problem with the seating of the cassette shell inside the cassette well. Personally, I have never seen this happen, but, for example, it's conceivable the backing plate could be flexed, or the seating guide could be bent. It wouldn't take much misalignment to cause this behaviour. -- Ron Yuri Regelman wrote: > Hello Nakamichians! > > Here is a problem I've been trying to wrap my head around: > my CR 7 deck is very dependent on the cassette shell for it's azimuth > alignment. > Basically, after recording on both sides of the same cassette I find > that I have > to adjust the playback azimuth depending on the side of the cassette I > am currently > playing back. The difference is clearly audible and often translates > into 3-4 bars on > the azimuth adjust scale. The difference is very simliar when I go from > one cassette > to another. I know shell is supposed to have affect on azimuth, but > this seems overly > exaggerated and I suspect some mechanical problem... Could anyone offer > an advice > on what could be causing this? > Thanks > Y ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 05:20:41 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:20:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Supercharged - Ron and Kannan In-Reply-To: <440F55A4.7030304@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060309042041.37906.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, For the given degree of movement, the resolution of the processor is sufficient. In fact, when you look closely at the head, while doing a very slow turn of the azimuth pot, you can almost see a continous movement of the head. It is definitely possible to increase the resolution and give hair splitting accuracy. But remember, thats going to scale the system up considerably. Firstly, the system has been wonderful damped by the Nak engineers. By only using so much accuracy and such a mechanical system, they have been able to produce a system that could be shoehorned into that area and yet have good accuracy with very little over or undershoot. Using more bits could cause the motor to be more sensitive and more issues have to be dealt with - noise, hysterisis, overshoot and undershoot etc. By keeping it simple, but effective, they gave us a circuit thats both workable and reliable. Now if this were a transciption deck I think Nak would have taken a very different approach. First, bury the whole transport in the middle of the deck, surround it with a cast-iron frame. Float the entire play-head mechanism on a pair of linear bearings, use a Maxon motor to drive a miniture ball screw transmission via induction gear. I have built such mechansims to control lasers-based resistor trimming machines. But try that and your CR7 would end up thrice as heavy and I'll be smirking when you have maintaince or repair issues. Regards Bala 79Labs Ron wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > The CR7 does not quite work in steps. The motor has a worm > gear which drives a big black spur gear which shifts a metal movement. > But because due to the nature of the system, there is only so much > precision. As I just mentioned to Kannan, the CR-7 changes azimuth in steps because that's how it's controlled by the processor. The value of degrees per bit (which is the smallest possible step) is too high. > But the bar graph shows it in discrete steps. I do concur > that its so much easier and accurate to have an automated system with a > high-freq tone is much more accurate. But there are some recordings that > do not have much high-freq content, and sometimes, I have found myself > needing that manual control. Pretty much like why even state-of-art > SLRDs offer manual along with auto-focus lens. Well, my view is that we need to adjust azimuth only when high frequencies are present. When the program material does not contain high frequencies, azimuth accuracy is a moot point. -- Ron > As for the 1000ZXL, it shares the same playback circuit with the 700ZXL. > Its not the most quietest circuit out there, definitely the Dragon has > better specs. And the CR7 gets better. But grafting the playback circuit > is not going to be enough. Between the tw! o ZXL decks, they have the > same playback circuit but sound so much different. Power supplies, > wiring, output stages all combine to form the final sound. > > The Dragon and CR7 have the same playback circuits but sound vastly > different. One would immediately go " Hey Bala, but the heads, the > output circuits, the this and that'. But I am sure you get the point. > > But, with suitable tweaking, and modifying the Dragon can be made into a > giant killer. But in order to touch the 1000ZXL, items > such construction, system layout and components need to be looked into. > > Rather then undertake a project of such magnitude, I would rather buy > Kermit's upcoming machine. I hear gossip that its got no noise > reduction, updated and quiet electronics and better heads and transport. > And no, I don't own stocks in his company. > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > Ron > 1. When I tried to check azimuth ( in Cassette deck 1 ) using 15 Khz > signal at -20dB - only method that works is by connecting good > bandwidth DMM to the output. I was shocked to see - eventhough the > record head is fixed ) azimuth varies from one end of the tape to > middle while recording on this machine. However you cannot hear the > difference of lower frequency as they donot show variation in 10 Khz > or less range. So Dragon works definitely better as people cannot > hear Azimuth very accurately. > > 2. CR 7 works in steps because of gear drive to shift the azimuth > for record calibration function unlike Cassette Deck . I found > cassette deck 1 ' play azimuth is more useful than CR7. > > ! > 3. Finally 1000 ZXL' play back amp can be adapted to any Nak old > transport 3 head - they all can be as good as a 1000ZXL! Infact 700 > ZXE is the choice of Stephen due to its Playback circuit. I find it > a bit o! ff the limit when people say Select Heads etc but Dragon' > play head is quite advanced. > > CR 7 Play back calibration is done infact at two frequencies unlike > 1000 ZXL where the circuit is designed for calibrating entire > bandwidth up to 24 Khz. If same such circuit is adapted for Dragon > or CR 7 it is possible to mimic 1000 ZXL. > > > Finally CR 7 is a good compromise with lot of user friendly > fatures. It is also easily serviceable and very fine sounding > Nakamichi. > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Kimo B. Yap wrote: > >> The one thing I really wis! hed they had put into this deck > was playback > >> azimuth. It would have made it into the ultimate playback > machine > > > > I agree in theory, although I'm not sure in practice. I don't > think the > > Dr! agon that I have (admittedly not tweaked up) sounds as good > > as the 1000zxl, even with a third party tape (maybe I don't > have ones > > that are really that bad). Although the NAAC > > head is a very clever thing, I'm not sure there aren't other > compromises > > inherent in it. Or did you mean a way to adjust it > > manually somehow, with a way to just calibrate it? > > I wonder if you mean, in a way similar to the CR-7? > The problem with the CR-7 manual PB azimuth adjustment > is that with much actual program material, it is not > easy to judge the correct adjustment point by ear. > This often results in an incorrect setting, that may > become apparent later on in the tape. Bottom line: > the CR-7 azimuth adjustment feature is! n't as useful > as it could be. > > I have put some thought to correcting this. The best > would be an automatic adjustment, but this would > necessitate some serious additions to the F/W, for > which, in all probability! , there is no memory space. > A simpler approach would be to display high frequency > content of the output signal, so adjustment could be > made by eye, rather than by ear. Being too busy (not > to mention, too lazy), thinking about it is all I have > done so far... > > -- Ron > > > > I guess I could go > > for something that had a user-adjustable tweak, but was > > easy to reset to the 'factory' position--if it could be made > reliable. > > > > I wish the RAMM feature worked better in the 1000zxl. I don't > tend to > > like using the subsonic filter as it really starts to > attenuate at 30Hz > > (OK, I'm being a purist here), but I find it is somewhat > error-prone > > both ways (either can't find the signal or fig! ures it out > slightly > > wrong/gets confused) all too easily. The 6-second silence > thing in > > playback making it think it's at the end is also not very useful > > to me, who listens mostly to classical, which has qu! iet > passages longer > > than 6 seconds. Since I listen to classical, I don't tend to > use it much > > to find a location on the tape (occasionally I'll have a tape > with > > shorter works and try to use it there), although I've > occasionally used it > > to cue multi-movement pieces, but I do like its ability to > remember the > > correct playback settings on the tape—of course most of the time > > that's just the "appropriate" ones, but it's nice to know > that it isn't. > > > > Since I use it that way, a feature I would like is just "go > to RAMM #x > > (where x is usually 1)" and play the entire tape from there.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Thu Mar 9 17:01:46 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:01:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Yet another azimuth question References: <3beaa6a90603071347q5eacfbffk8300188bed484f72@mail.gmail.com><440F46FC.5060709@rcn.com> <3beaa6a90603081828g19b8f32cqdf6d4d746438fbcc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <045a01c64392$c4a10150$6801a8c0@Rondo> Is it chewing the edges of the tape? Is it marking the tape in any way? Ron W. Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yet another azimuth question Hi Ron As far as I know R-T-R decks require azimuth adjustment as well and there is a lot of variance in their initial calibration and subsequent drift. I did use pretty cheap Maxell and TDK cassettes, new stock, so I guess I got what I paid for... :) However, what is surprising is how innefective the tape guides are. I thought they were supposed to keep the tape path pretty constant and virtually unaffected by the shell variance. RTR decks are a good example, because there the tape guides take care of keeping the tape path constant despite the fact that there is much less precision in how the tape is wound on the reel. Another surprising thing is that if the recording and playback heads are perfectly aligned, why would it matter is the tape is moving at a slight angle, that angle should be the same with respect to both of them and therefore alignment should still hold. What I'm observing is as if the tape path is not just misaligned, but curved... I apologize for the long rant, it's just I've been trying to figure that one for a couple of weeks now and I don't have all the right gauges to do full mechanical calibration On 3/8/06, Ron wrote: As you acknowledge, azimuth does depend on the cassette shell. If it didn't, we would only need to adjust azimuth once and it would then be correct for all tapes, much like a R-T-R deck. In most cassettes, shell sides are not absolutely parallel. If the dependence is extreme, though, there could be a problem with a specific cassette or a faulty batch. If the problem occurs with all cassettes, there could be some misalignment problem with the seating of the cassette shell inside the cassette well. Personally, I have never seen this happen, but, for example, it's conceivable the backing plate could be flexed, or the seating guide could be bent. It wouldn't take much misalignment to cause this behaviour. -- Ron Yuri Regelman wrote: > Hello Nakamichians! > > Here is a problem I've been trying to wrap my head around: > my CR 7 deck is very dependent on the cassette shell for it's azimuth > alignment. > Basically, after recording on both sides of the same cassette I find > that I have > to adjust the playback azimuth depending on the side of the cassette I > am currently > playing back. The difference is clearly audible and often translates > into 3-4 bars on > the azimuth adjust scale. The difference is very simliar when I go from > one cassette > to another. I know shell is supposed to have affect on azimuth, but > this seems overly > exaggerated and I suspect some mechanical problem... Could anyone offer > an advice > on what could be causing this? > Thanks > Y ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Thu Mar 9 18:28:27 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:28:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Why I love my Nak, number 356,873 in a series In-Reply-To: <200603091100.k29B03N8030394@zxe.naks.com> References: <200603091100.k29B03N8030394@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: For the millionth time, I was reminded again this morning why I love my Naks. It's 7am and snowing lightly outside, rare for Portland. I am tired and crabby because I have 16 hours of proof-reading to do in the next 24 hours. I brew a large, steaming cup of Peet's French roast and shuffle into the office. Proof-reading is work that almost demands background music. Since I had recently enjoyed watching Van Morrison in Scorcese's movie on The Band's last gig, "The Last Waltz", I thought I'd put on a little VanMo to get me started. I browse through the dusty cassette shelves and find an old Sony UCX-90 with "Hard Nose the Highway" on it: a tape I made in college about 23 years ago on my old Sony TC-K81 from a well-used album played on Sony PS-X5 deck pulling a Dynavector DV-50a mm cart. Not a spectacular rig, but respectable. I pop the tape into my CR3, not expecting much, but hey, it's just for background. The opening chords of the first song fill the room with immediacy and an almost physical presence. The drums are crisp and full, the bass comes through dark and rich and VanMo's voice appears in the middle of my floor, full and warm and nuanced. I can hear the spittle on his lips and his inward rushing breaths between lines. Warmth: that word is so often used to describe Naks, maybe it's lost its meaning. But in my crepuscular study, coffee steaming on the desk, that still seems the best word to describe the full, rich, enveloping sound that comes from my speakers. It wraps me up and calms me down, holds me like a mother holds her son. So once again, I must offer my deepest appreciation for those nameless Japanese engineers and executives who decided to make these beautiful, uncompromising thoroughbreds of machines. Another ordinary morning has been transformed and enriched. Thanks Nak. cheers, Fred From BADANTH at aol.com Fri Mar 10 00:46:31 2006 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:46:31 EST Subject: [naktalk] Why I love my Nak, number 356,873 in a series Message-ID: <238.8457cb7.31421857@aol.com> Here Hear, sounds like another beautiful day... Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From digitalvoice at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 03:19:38 2006 From: digitalvoice at yahoo.com (Digital Voice) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:19:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Why I love my Nak, number 356,873 in a series In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060310021938.8089.qmail@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred, That was awesome... You shouldn't be proofreading, you should be writing! Victor ....... The opening chords of the first song fill the room with immediacy and an almost physical presence. The drums are crisp and full, the bass comes through dark and rich and VanMo's voice appears in the middle of my floor, full and warm and nuanced. I can hear the spittle on his lips and his inward rushing breaths between lines. Warmth: that word is so often used to describe Naks, maybe it's lost its meaning. But in my crepuscular study, coffee steaming on the desk, that still seems the best word to describe the full, rich, enveloping sound that comes from my speakers. It wraps me up and calms me down, holds me like a mother holds her son. ....... From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 10 06:40:47 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:40:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] SAE Cassette deck... Message-ID: <4411115F.9070700@woods-and-waters.com> Hey, hey, fellow Nakaphiles; I'm finally closing in on my goal of getting all my reel-to-reel and cassette decks running. The Uher 1000 Report Pilot was sold on eBay. The Ampex 602, Revox B77-HS, B710 Mk.II; Uher 4400 Report Stereo, Pioneer RT-1011L, Pioneer CT-F7171, both Wollensak 2551AV and the sole remaining 2571AV, both Nak 550s, the 600 and the 600-II now run perfectly. My Nak 500 now runs ok, but the faders are a bit dodgy. Phew! Today's conquest was my SAE C3D cassette deck. I'm disappointed by the sound. It seems brittle. I had remembered it sounding better. Has anyone heard one of these decks? Still to go: Another Nak 600-II, Nak BX-2 (I think I may be able to get it to run for more than five minutes), and Nak 581; Pioneer CT-F7171, B&O Beocord 9000 (no hurry) and Onkyo TA-RW11 (also no hurry). Fun! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 11:29:20 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 02:29:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Why I love my Nak, number 356,873 in a series In-Reply-To: <20060310021938.8089.qmail@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060310102920.64981.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well Victor, Guess those words must have been inspired by the Nak. Regards Bala 79Labs Digital Voice wrote: Fred, That was awesome... You shouldn't be proofreading, you should be writing! Victor ....... The opening chords of the first song fill the room with immediacy and an almost physical presence. The drums are crisp and full, the bass comes through dark and rich and VanMo's voice appears in the middle of my floor, full and warm and nuanced. I can hear the spittle on his lips and his inward rushing breaths between lines. Warmth: that word is so often used to describe Naks, maybe it's lost its meaning. But in my crepuscular study, coffee steaming on the desk, that still seems the best word to describe the full, rich, enveloping sound that comes from my speakers. It wraps me up and calms me down, holds me like a mother holds her son. ....... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From znyuzo at freemail.hu Fri Mar 10 13:33:04 2006 From: znyuzo at freemail.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ny=FAz=F3_Zsolt_=28Freemail=29?=) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:33:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Clicking DRAGON feedback / Remote and demagnetizer for DRAGON Message-ID: <007201c6443e$c716d020$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Hi guys ! Thanks to all of you who replied to my question 'Clicking DRAGON' ! I could use the ideas with partial success. Scott Johnson's hint how to solve one of the problems (the right pinch roller's arm was lifting very slowly due to the hardened lubricant) has worked. Unfortunately there's more... The right pinch roller is misaligned by 1,5-2,0 mms (!!!!). I have decided to send this unit to Bowers&Wilkins for total overhauling as soon as I collect the money for this rather costly excercise. Thanks again for your help and I will get back to you about the status of the unit, and my experiences as soon as I get my baby back from B&W. (Well... As I am not a native speaker of English I cannot promise to post such literatural masterpieces as Fred Lifton did, but I'll do my best...) For the time being I am trying to purchase everything possible for my DRAGON (how wonderful it is even only to write this word... :) So I am looking for an RM-20 remote and DM-10 demagne- tizer for my beloved baby. On eBay I could not find any RM-20-s or an original Nakamichi DM-10 shipping to Europe. (Only some lookalike DM-10's) (I have also read on naktalk sg. about an infra remote being built by someone... I would be a buyer for that as well !) Does any of you have any idea where from would I be able to get these accessories, or any of you have one of them ready for being sold to a Nak maniac ? ;) All answers are appreciated ! Thanks in advance ! 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Unfortunately there's more... The right pinch roller is misaligned by 1,5-2,0 mms (!!!!). I have decided to send this unit to Bowers&Wilkins for total overhauling as soon as I collect the money for this rather costly excercise. Thanks again for your help and I will get back to you about the status of the unit, and my experiences as soon as I get my baby back from B&W. (Well... As I am not a native speaker of English I cannot promise to post such literatural masterpieces as Fred Lifton did, but I'll do my best...) For the time being I am trying to purchase everything possible for my DRAGON (how wonderful it is even only to write this word... :) So I am looking for an RM-20 remote and DM-10 demagne- tizer for my beloved baby. On eBay I could not find any RM-20-s or an original Nakamichi DM-10 shipping to Europe. (Only some lookalike DM-10's) (I have also read on naktalk sg. about an infra remote being built by someone... I would be a buyer for that as well !) Does any of you have any idea where from would I be able to get these accessories, or any of you have one of them ready for being sold to a Nak maniac ? ;) All answers are appreciated ! Thanks in advance ! Zsolt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Fri Mar 10 20:19:29 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:19:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] SAE Cassette deck... In-Reply-To: <4411115F.9070700@woods-and-waters.com> References: <4411115F.9070700@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: REAL fun Kermit! I am so pleased that something has really inspired you to rev up the hifi engine. I have some stuff you may want to have gratis I have a few nak 500 or 550 whichever is the portable 1. I also have a few beo 9000 parts deck. All of this stuff is carefully stored but it is just sucking up $$ and not being used, sold or disbursed. This Spring I have a few hischool grads that need to be kept busy so hopefully we can ebay it away, no reserve, no starting bid. Spending $2,400/year on storage, I would like to just place the stuff into the hands of people who can really enjoy it. Buried in there is another 3014a that was sanked a few years ago. Everything else needs to go bye bye. You are an inspiration to all of us, Kermit! Brien On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:40 PM, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hey, hey, fellow Nakaphiles; > > I'm finally closing in on my goal of getting all my reel-to-reel > and cassette decks running. The Uher 1000 Report Pilot was sold on > eBay. The Ampex 602, Revox B77-HS, B710 Mk.II; Uher 4400 Report > Stereo, Pioneer RT-1011L, Pioneer CT-F7171, both Wollensak 2551AV > and the sole remaining 2571AV, both Nak 550s, the 600 and the 600- > II now run perfectly. My Nak 500 now runs ok, but the faders are a > bit dodgy. Phew! > > Today's conquest was my SAE C3D cassette deck. I'm disappointed by > the sound. It seems brittle. I had remembered it sounding better. > Has anyone heard one of these decks? > > Still to go: Another Nak 600-II, Nak BX-2 (I think I may be able to > get it to run for more than five minutes), and Nak 581; Pioneer CT- > F7171, B&O Beocord 9000 (no hurry) and Onkyo TA-RW11 (also no hurry). > > Fun! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for > recording and pro audio info! > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Mar 10 20:34:09 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:34:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Clicking DRAGON feedback / Remote and demagnetizer for DRAGON Message-ID: <7F572C0F-CFD5-45F0-8D6D-BE1C266518B2@alumni.caltech.edu> The RM-20s do come up; keep watching (and saving your "pennies" (whatever that is in your currency...) as they aren't particularly cheap. For a demagnetizer, I prefer a TDK demagnetizer that generates a pulse so you don't have to do the gradual pull away technique. The only thing I don't like about it (but it could be considered a feature as well) is that it is battery operated only (2 Ag or Li button cells). I've gathered elsewhere they made one that was encased in a cassette shell; this isn't that one; it's the more traditional looking type so works on any kind of a deck, including cassettes (I have r2rs and (gasp) even an 8-track...).-kby From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 10 20:37:46 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:37:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Why I love my Nak, number 356,873 in a series In-Reply-To: <238.8457cb7.31421857@aol.com> References: <238.8457cb7.31421857@aol.com> Message-ID: <4411D58A.2000503@woods-and-waters.com> Hey, Anthony, you know what they say: A Day without Naka-music is a Day without Sunshine! Way to go, Fred! What a wonderful way to start a sday! BADANTH at aol.com wrote: > Here Hear, sounds like another beautiful day... > > Anthony -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Mar 10 22:38:14 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B.Yap) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:38:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] =?windows-1252?q?1982=85It_was_a_very_good_year=85?= Message-ID: Following on the discussion about Yuri's CR7 azimuth battles and cassettes: the question is simple, but I'm sure there will be much heated debate. The question, simply, is what tapes do people try to get to feed their Naks? First, some ground rules. Other than things to clearly avoid due to serious malfunction (e.g., this type of tape always breaks/jams in my deck whereas others are OK kind of thing), let's hold the discussion to what you use for "good" recordings--not just something you need to quickly dupe and don't care about the quality. Let's further divide the discussion into tapes that are commonly available new today in the retail market, vs. what you might think is the "really good stuff" that you look for on the secondary market (i.e. ebay) since it just isn't made anymore. Finally, lets divide it by IEC type, and I'm primarlly interested in types I, II, and IV. OK, I have one type III (Ferrichrome) cassette, but there were never very many made (at least not in the US so the manufacturer choice let alone "quality" distinctions were pretty restricted. Here, Sco, tch was one of the only manufacturers I remember (mostly because that's what the one I have is) and I never liked their R2R tape as well as not finding their cassettes exceptional. You may wish to specify the deck you use, but that's optional. This was triggered by me experiences of having a stash picked up over the last few years of TDK MAs, as well as TDK SAs that are currently available. I noticed that in duping an R2R (7.5 ips, normal bias tape) of an FM (!) broadcast, there was some slight audible difference (maybe more bass, maybe less treble, maybe something subtle with the low backround FM interstation hiss--strong station) using my 1000ZXL LTD, and it was somewhat dependent on where I calibrated the azimuth for the tape. Turns out I may have also had a slight miscalibration in the external Dolby C unit, but that will mostly accentuate, not cause the issue. I still notice it with one that seems a little better (note that these differences are all slight--without doing a lot of A/B (tape/source) mid-passage switching during the recording, it's hard to notice something wrong a priory). I then noticed that all the newer TDKs (including these MAs, which of course can't be that new since they don't sell those in the US and I thought didn't make them any more) don't have screws in the cases. Reading the packaging, I notice they (a) talk about these being "eco-friendly" cases using less plastic and "easier to store", as well as they no longer even state that they're "anti-resonance." A far cry from the MA-R cassette I have in packaging... It appears current Maxell (XL-II and it's variants) do still have screws and do claim anti-resonance precision shells still. And they actually seem a little better. I was using for (and purchasing TDKs a few years ago) because for Type IV in the 1980s, on my 700 II deck at the time, that seemed the best (this was a 700 II modified by Nak in Torrance for metal). This was basically comparing Maxell MX and TDK MA at that time. That in turn was because I prefer Maxell UD-XL (later known as UD-XL I) or UD-XL II (on an EE deck) R2R tape. But on at least the 700 II, the TDK MAs seemed to have better range. But now, it looks like TDK has become cheap on their shells. I found an MA that was slightly older (but still not old '80s stock) and it did have screws--that one was more consistent wrt the azimuth thing, but unfortunately it had a bad spot in it (not visible, but definitely audible). So, have at it, folks. What do you prefer?-kby From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Mar 11 01:20:30 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:20:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Clicking DRAGON feedback / Remote and demagnetizer for DRAGON In-Reply-To: <7F572C0F-CFD5-45F0-8D6D-BE1C266518B2@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <7F572C0F-CFD5-45F0-8D6D-BE1C266518B2@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <441217CE.2020603@woods-and-waters.com> Hey, Kimo! Kimo B. Yap wrote: > The RM-20s do come up; keep watching (and saving your "pennies" > (whatever that is in your currency...) as > they aren't particularly cheap. > > For a demagnetizer, I prefer a TDK demagnetizer that generates a pulse > so you don't have to do the gradual > pull away technique. The only thing I don't like about it (but it could > be considered a feature as well) is that it > is battery operated only (2 Ag or Li button cells). I've gathered > elsewhere they made one that was encased in a > cassette shell; this isn't that one; it's the more traditional looking > type so works on any kind of a deck, including > cassettes (I have r2rs and (gasp) even an 8-track...).-kby Not to gasp: I have an 8-track recorder. 60-10,000 Hz. Oooooh. Such high fidelity. Talk about worthless. I think of it as an analog equivalent to MP3. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Mar 11 05:43:03 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 04:43:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1982It was a very good year Message-ID: Shalom Kino, As I live in Israel...I use since my first Tri Tracer 1000/2 in 1978 I found here I like it very much the TDK SA, & later SA-X, first 90 minutes later came 100 minutes assembled in USA with Tape made in Japan. When SUCH TDK was scarce...I changed for Maxell XL-2 & later (Still with one box of 10 cassettes XLS 100 minutes (Made in Japan), today I was lucky to found & acquired at least 2 boxes of 10 cassettes Fuji Z-2 90 minutes Made in Japan welded shell, which I use with my Dragon with NO problems at all. I hate metal for heads wear issue...NOT all our Nak lovers & owners agreed!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kimo B.Yap" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] 1982�It was a very good year� >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:38:14 -0800 > >Following on the discussion about Yuri's CR7 azimuth battles and >cassettes: the question is simple, >but I'm sure there will be much heated debate. > >The question, simply, is what tapes do people try to get to feed their >Naks? > >First, some ground rules. Other than things to clearly avoid due to >serious malfunction >(e.g., this type of tape always breaks/jams in my deck whereas others are >OK kind of thing), let's >hold the discussion to what you use for "good" recordings--not just >something you need to quickly >dupe and don't care about the quality. > >Let's further divide the discussion into tapes that are commonly available >new today in the >retail market, vs. what you might think is the "really good stuff" that >you look for on the secondary >market (i.e. ebay) since it just isn't made anymore. > >Finally, lets divide it by IEC type, and I'm primarlly interested in types >I, II, and IV. OK, I have one >type III (Ferrichrome) cassette, but there were never very many made (at >least not in the US so >the manufacturer choice let alone "quality" distinctions were pretty >restricted. Here, Sco, tch was one >of the only manufacturers I remember (mostly because that's what the one I >have is) and I never liked >their R2R tape as well as not finding their cassettes exceptional. > >You may wish to specify the deck you use, but that's optional. > >This was triggered by me experiences of having a stash picked up over the >last few years of >TDK MAs, as well as TDK SAs that are currently available. I noticed that >in duping an R2R (7.5 ips, >normal bias tape) of an FM (!) broadcast, there was some slight audible >difference (maybe more bass, >maybe less treble, maybe something subtle with the low backround FM >interstation hiss--strong station) >using my 1000ZXL LTD, and it was somewhat dependent on where I calibrated >the azimuth for the >tape. Turns out I may have also had a slight miscalibration in the >external Dolby C unit, but that will >mostly accentuate, not cause the issue. I still notice it with one that >seems a little better (note that these >differences are all slight--without doing a lot of A/B (tape/source) >mid-passage switching during the >recording, it's hard to notice something wrong a priory). I then noticed >that all the newer TDKs (including >these MAs, which of course can't be that new since they don't sell those >in the US and I thought didn't >make them any more) don't have screws in the cases. Reading the packaging, >I notice they (a) talk about >these being "eco-friendly" cases using less plastic and "easier to store", >as well as they no longer even >state that they're "anti-resonance." A far cry from the MA-R cassette I >have in packaging... > >It appears current Maxell (XL-II and it's variants) do still have screws >and do claim anti-resonance precision shells still. >And they actually seem a little better. > >I was using for (and purchasing TDKs a few years ago) because for Type IV >in the 1980s, on my 700 II deck >at the time, that seemed the best (this was a 700 II modified by Nak in >Torrance for metal). This was basically >comparing Maxell MX and TDK MA at that time. That in turn was because I >prefer Maxell UD-XL (later known >as UD-XL I) or UD-XL II (on an EE deck) R2R tape. But on at least the 700 >II, the TDK MAs seemed to have >better range. > >But now, it looks like TDK has become cheap on their shells. I found an MA >that was slightly older (but still not >old '80s stock) and it did have screws--that one was more consistent wrt >the azimuth thing, but unfortunately it had >a bad spot in it (not visible, but definitely audible). > >So, have at it, folks. What do you prefer?-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 11 06:44:36 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:44:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] SAE Cassette deck... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060311054436.55448.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Brien, Any reel to reel items? Or Aiwa cassette decks? I am also looking at clearing some of my stuff, but they all complete working decks.. Regards Bala 79Labs Brien wrote: REAL fun Kermit! I am so pleased that something has really inspired you to rev up the hifi engine. I have some stuff you may want to have gratis I have a few nak 500 or 550 whichever is the portable 1. I also have a few beo 9000 parts deck. All of this stuff is carefully stored but it is just sucking up $$ and not being used, sold or disbursed. This Spring I have a few hischool grads that need to be kept busy so hopefully we can ebay it away, no reserve, no starting bid. Spending $2,400/year on storage, I would like to just place the stuff into the hands of people who can really enjoy it. Buried in there is another 3014a that was sanked a few years ago. Everything else needs to go bye bye. You are an inspiration to all of us, Kermit! Brien On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:40 PM, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hey, hey, fellow Nakaphiles; > > I'm finally closing in on my goal of getting all my reel-to-reel > and cassette decks running. The Uher 1000 Report Pilot was sold on > eBay. The Ampex 602, Revox B77-HS, B710 Mk.II; Uher 4400 Report > Stereo, Pioneer RT-1011L, Pioneer CT-F7171, both Wollensak 2551AV > and the sole remaining 2571AV, both Nak 550s, the 600 and the 600- > II now run perfectly. My Nak 500 now runs ok, but the faders are a > bit dodgy. Phew! > > Today's conquest was my SAE C3D cassette deck. I'm disappointed by > the sound. It seems brittle. I had remembered it sounding better. > Has anyone heard one of these decks? > > Still to go: Another Nak 600-II, Nak BX-2 (I think I may be able to > get it to run for more than five minutes), and Nak 581; Pioneer CT- > F7171, B&O Beocord 9000 (no hurry) and Onkyo TA-RW11 (also no hurry). > > Fun! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for > recording and pro audio info! > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Mar 11 11:42:54 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:42:54 +0200 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[naktalk]=201982*It=20was=20a=20very=20good?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20year*?= Message-ID: You're right, there differentiation to be made in terms of what's available vs what's desirable, as well as the different IEC categories. I can only comment on what's generally available here in South Africa, but like anywhere, it's a struggle to get decent magnetic media. You have to be sharp, on the look-out, and acquisitive (be prepared to hoard). Be prepared to import too. Type I Usually available: TDK B, D, AD; Maxell UE, UR and occasionally (my favourite when hunting in this category) UDI; SKC LX; Sony EX and ZX You might find: TDK AR-X Type 2 Usually available: TDK SA, Sony UX, UX-S, SKC CD Super-Chrome You might find: BASF CMII, BASF TPII, BASF CE, BASF/EMTEC Chrome Record II, TDK SA-X, TDK CDing II, Sony UX-Turbo/UX-Pro, SKC QX Type 4 Usually available: Nothing You might find: TDK MA, Sony Metal XR, SKC ZX The following types are impossible to find here: TDK AR, SM, SM-X, MA-X, MA-XG, AD-X, A, CD-Bass; Maxell UDII, XLII, XLII-S, MX, MX-S, Metal Vertex, Sony HF, HF-S, HR-ES, Metal SR, MM, SMM; BASF CSII, TPIV, FMII, FSII, SKC QX and any Sanji, Fuji/Axia, Scotch, Memorex and That's. Comments Types worth picking up for me overseas or in ebay auctions etc, would be US market Maxell XLII and XLII-S, Maxell metals, (any metals for that matter), Fuji K and Z series type 2 and 4, BASF high end chromes and metals etc. Variety is the spice of life - all tapes have their own sonic fingerprint which makes analogue interesting. TDK in RSA is made in the far east - no worries about quality issues in that respect. Even the TDK CDing are actually made for the Japanese market. Maxell UDI is Japanese made - I prefer it to TDK AD. Maxell XLII - totally unavailable - one of the best type IIs to my mind and for many years the tape of choice for concert tape traders. The blue industrially bonded-shell Sony UX-S from Mexico is excellent (green packaging). If you chance upon the Sony UX made in Italy, grab it - beautiful tape. Maxell XLII-S - wherever it's from (Japan or UK) it's one of the greats - grab them. Any stashes of MX-S (Maxell) - they are for many, even judged amongst the super-metals, the quintessential type IV. Buy what you can. MX - also Maxell - calibration and Dolby friendly - ruler flat response - great type 4. TDK MA - bright, tolerant and animated - always rewarding. Hope this helps. If you have specific tapes you need info or opinions on, including matters of vintage - please ask. Cheers - Marc >>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu 3/10/2006 11:38:14 PM >>> Following on the discussion about Yuri's CR7 azimuth battles and cassettes: the question is simple, but I'm sure there will be much heated debate. The question, simply, is what tapes do people try to get to feed their Naks? First, some ground rules. Other than things to clearly avoid due to serious malfunction (e.g., this type of tape always breaks/jams in my deck whereas others are OK kind of thing), let's hold the discussion to what you use for "good" recordings--not just something you need to quickly dupe and don't care about the quality. Let's further divide the discussion into tapes that are commonly available new today in the retail market, vs. what you might think is the "really good stuff" that you look for on the secondary market (i.e. ebay) since it just isn't made anymore. Finally, lets divide it by IEC type, and I'm primarlly interested in types I, II, and IV. OK, I have one type III (Ferrichrome) cassette, but there were never very many made (at least not in the US so the manufacturer choice let alone "quality" distinctions were pretty restricted. Here, Sco, tch was one of the only manufacturers I remember (mostly because that's what the one I have is) and I never liked their R2R tape as well as not finding their cassettes exceptional. You may wish to specify the deck you use, but that's optional. This was triggered by me experiences of having a stash picked up over the last few years of TDK MAs, as well as TDK SAs that are currently available. I noticed that in duping an R2R (7.5 ips, normal bias tape) of an FM (!) broadcast, there was some slight audible difference (maybe more bass, maybe less treble, maybe something subtle with the low backround FM interstation hiss--strong station) using my 1000ZXL LTD, and it was somewhat dependent on where I calibrated the azimuth for the tape. Turns out I may have also had a slight miscalibration in the external Dolby C unit, but that will mostly accentuate, not cause the issue. I still notice it with one that seems a little better (note that these differences are all slight--without doing a lot of A/B (tape/source) mid-passage switching during the recording, it's hard to notice something wrong a priory). I then noticed that all the newer TDKs (including these MAs, which of course can't be that new since they don't sell those in the US and I thought didn't make them any more) don't have screws in the cases. Reading the packaging, I notice they (a) talk about these being "eco-friendly" cases using less plastic and "easier to store", as well as they no longer even state that they're "anti-resonance." A far cry from the MA-R cassette I have in packaging... It appears current Maxell (XL-II and it's variants) do still have screws and do claim anti-resonance precision shells still. And they actually seem a little better. I was using for (and purchasing TDKs a few years ago) because for Type IV in the 1980s, on my 700 II deck at the time, that seemed the best (this was a 700 II modified by Nak in Torrance for metal). This was basically comparing Maxell MX and TDK MA at that time. That in turn was because I prefer Maxell UD-XL (later known as UD-XL I) or UD-XL II (on an EE deck) R2R tape. But on at least the 700 II, the TDK MAs seemed to have better range. But now, it looks like TDK has become cheap on their shells. I found an MA that was slightly older (but still not old '80s stock) and it did have screws--that one was more consistent wrt the azimuth thing, but unfortunately it had a bad spot in it (not visible, but definitely audible). So, have at it, folks. What do you prefer?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From znyuzo at freemail.hu Sat Mar 11 12:16:10 2006 From: znyuzo at freemail.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ny=FAz=F3_Zsolt_=28Freemail=29?=) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:16:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Clicking DRAGON feedback / Remote and demagnetizer forDRAGON References: <20060310155701.14008.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003a01c644fd$33a20a70$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Hi Bala, Just take into consideration that my DRAGON doesn't even operates correctly ! :) (Well, you know if you wait about 20 years to make your dream come true even a non operating DRAGON WILL make your day...) Best regards Zsolt ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Clicking DRAGON feedback / Remote and demagnetizer forDRAGON Hi Zsolt, This email certainly makes my day! It feels so good stepping out in the light, knowing you have a solid Dragon coming to you! I felt the same with all my decks. I hope all of us will feel the same way as Zsolt and Fred do! Regards Bala 79Labs Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Hi guys ! Thanks to all of you who replied to my question 'Clicking DRAGON' ! I could use the ideas with pa! rtial success. Scott Johnson's hint how to solve one of the problems (the right pinch roller's arm was lifting very slowly due to the hardened lubricant) has worked. Unfortunately there's more... The right pinch roller is misaligned by 1,5-2,0 mms (!!!!). I have decided to send this unit to Bowers&Wilkins for total overhauling as soon as I collect the money for this rather costly excercise. Thanks again for your help and I will get back to you about the status of the unit, and my experiences as soon as I get my baby back from B&W. (Well... As I am not a native speaker of English I cannot promise to post such literatural masterpieces as Fred Lifton did, but I'll do my best...) For the time being I am trying to purchase everything possible for my DRAGON (how wonderful it is even only to write this word... :) So I am looking for an RM-20 remote and DM-10 demagne- tizer for my beloved baby. On eBay I could not find any RM-20-s or an original Nakamichi DM-10 shipping to Europe. (Only some lookalike DM-10's) (I have also read on naktalk sg. about an infra remote being built by someone... I would be a buyer for that as well !) Does any of you have any idea where from would I be able to get these accessories, or any of you have one of them ready for being sold to a Nak maniac ? ;) All answers are appreciated ! Thanks in advance ! Zsolt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sat Mar 11 20:18:44 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:18:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1982It was a very good year In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c64540$9def5890$ebc5db40@CPQ16585250299> Hello ALEX: I like to use TDK tapes on my Naks as well. Lately I found a box of 10 TDK AR-X 60 for Japan domestic market ( all the letterings are in Japanese ). Even though it is a TYPE-I tape, it sounds great in my DRAGON. Have not try FUJI Z-II so far although I did have some FUJI Z-Metal. Best Regards, Mike P.S. I just join Naktalk and this is my first message to the forum. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1982It was a very good year Shalom Kino, As I live in Israel...I use since my first Tri Tracer 1000/2 in 1978 I found here I like it very much the TDK SA, & later SA-X, first 90 minutes later came 100 minutes assembled in USA with Tape made in Japan. When SUCH TDK was scarce...I changed for Maxell XL-2 & later (Still with one box of 10 cassettes XLS 100 minutes (Made in Japan), today I was lucky to found & acquired at least 2 boxes of 10 cassettes Fuji Z-2 90 minutes Made in Japan welded shell, which I use with my Dragon with NO problems at all. I hate metal for heads wear issue...NOT all our Nak lovers & owners agreed!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kimo B.Yap" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] 1982.It was a very good year. >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:38:14 -0800 > >Following on the discussion about Yuri's CR7 azimuth battles and >cassettes: the question is simple, >but I'm sure there will be much heated debate. > >The question, simply, is what tapes do people try to get to feed their >Naks? > >First, some ground rules. Other than things to clearly avoid due to >serious malfunction >(e.g., this type of tape always breaks/jams in my deck whereas others are >OK kind of thing), let's >hold the discussion to what you use for "good" recordings--not just >something you need to quickly >dupe and don't care about the quality. > >Let's further divide the discussion into tapes that are commonly available >new today in the >retail market, vs. what you might think is the "really good stuff" that >you look for on the secondary >market (i.e. ebay) since it just isn't made anymore. > >Finally, lets divide it by IEC type, and I'm primarlly interested in types >I, II, and IV. OK, I have one >type III (Ferrichrome) cassette, but there were never very many made (at >least not in the US so >the manufacturer choice let alone "quality" distinctions were pretty >restricted. Here, Sco, tch was one >of the only manufacturers I remember (mostly because that's what the one I >have is) and I never liked >their R2R tape as well as not finding their cassettes exceptional. > >You may wish to specify the deck you use, but that's optional. > >This was triggered by me experiences of having a stash picked up over the >last few years of >TDK MAs, as well as TDK SAs that are currently available. I noticed that >in duping an R2R (7.5 ips, >normal bias tape) of an FM (!) broadcast, there was some slight audible >difference (maybe more bass, >maybe less treble, maybe something subtle with the low backround FM >interstation hiss--strong station) >using my 1000ZXL LTD, and it was somewhat dependent on where I calibrated >the azimuth for the >tape. Turns out I may have also had a slight miscalibration in the >external Dolby C unit, but that will >mostly accentuate, not cause the issue. I still notice it with one that >seems a little better (note that these >differences are all slight--without doing a lot of A/B (tape/source) >mid-passage switching during the >recording, it's hard to notice something wrong a priory). I then noticed >that all the newer TDKs (including >these MAs, which of course can't be that new since they don't sell those >in the US and I thought didn't >make them any more) don't have screws in the cases. Reading the packaging, >I notice they (a) talk about >these being "eco-friendly" cases using less plastic and "easier to store", >as well as they no longer even >state that they're "anti-resonance." A far cry from the MA-R cassette I >have in packaging... > >It appears current Maxell (XL-II and it's variants) do still have screws >and do claim anti-resonance precision shells still. >And they actually seem a little better. > >I was using for (and purchasing TDKs a few years ago) because for Type IV >in the 1980s, on my 700 II deck >at the time, that seemed the best (this was a 700 II modified by Nak in >Torrance for metal). This was basically >comparing Maxell MX and TDK MA at that time. That in turn was because I >prefer Maxell UD-XL (later known >as UD-XL I) or UD-XL II (on an EE deck) R2R tape. But on at least the 700 >II, the TDK MAs seemed to have >better range. > >But now, it looks like TDK has become cheap on their shells. I found an MA >that was slightly older (but still not >old '80s stock) and it did have screws--that one was more consistent wrt >the azimuth thing, but unfortunately it had >a bad spot in it (not visible, but definitely audible). > >So, have at it, folks. What do you prefer?-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Sat Mar 11 20:22:07 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:22:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c64541$16f39210$ebc5db40@CPQ16585250299> Hi Marc: Which model(s) are considered to be high-end BASF tapes? Thanks. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc hugo Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:43 AM To: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* You're right, there differentiation to be made in terms of what's available vs what's desirable, as well as the different IEC categories. I can only comment on what's generally available here in South Africa, but like anywhere, it's a struggle to get decent magnetic media. You have to be sharp, on the look-out, and acquisitive (be prepared to hoard). Be prepared to import too. Type I Usually available: TDK B, D, AD; Maxell UE, UR and occasionally (my favourite when hunting in this category) UDI; SKC LX; Sony EX and ZX You might find: TDK AR-X Type 2 Usually available: TDK SA, Sony UX, UX-S, SKC CD Super-Chrome You might find: BASF CMII, BASF TPII, BASF CE, BASF/EMTEC Chrome Record II, TDK SA-X, TDK CDing II, Sony UX-Turbo/UX-Pro, SKC QX Type 4 Usually available: Nothing You might find: TDK MA, Sony Metal XR, SKC ZX The following types are impossible to find here: TDK AR, SM, SM-X, MA-X, MA-XG, AD-X, A, CD-Bass; Maxell UDII, XLII, XLII-S, MX, MX-S, Metal Vertex, Sony HF, HF-S, HR-ES, Metal SR, MM, SMM; BASF CSII, TPIV, FMII, FSII, SKC QX and any Sanji, Fuji/Axia, Scotch, Memorex and That's. Comments Types worth picking up for me overseas or in ebay auctions etc, would be US market Maxell XLII and XLII-S, Maxell metals, (any metals for that matter), Fuji K and Z series type 2 and 4, BASF high end chromes and metals etc. Variety is the spice of life - all tapes have their own sonic fingerprint which makes analogue interesting. TDK in RSA is made in the far east - no worries about quality issues in that respect. Even the TDK CDing are actually made for the Japanese market. Maxell UDI is Japanese made - I prefer it to TDK AD. Maxell XLII - totally unavailable - one of the best type IIs to my mind and for many years the tape of choice for concert tape traders. The blue industrially bonded-shell Sony UX-S from Mexico is excellent (green packaging). If you chance upon the Sony UX made in Italy, grab it - beautiful tape. Maxell XLII-S - wherever it's from (Japan or UK) it's one of the greats - grab them. Any stashes of MX-S (Maxell) - they are for many, even judged amongst the super-metals, the quintessential type IV. Buy what you can. MX - also Maxell - calibration and Dolby friendly - ruler flat response - great type 4. TDK MA - bright, tolerant and animated - always rewarding. Hope this helps. If you have specific tapes you need info or opinions on, including matters of vintage - please ask. Cheers - Marc >>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu 3/10/2006 11:38:14 PM >>> Following on the discussion about Yuri's CR7 azimuth battles and cassettes: the question is simple, but I'm sure there will be much heated debate. The question, simply, is what tapes do people try to get to feed their Naks? First, some ground rules. Other than things to clearly avoid due to serious malfunction (e.g., this type of tape always breaks/jams in my deck whereas others are OK kind of thing), let's hold the discussion to what you use for "good" recordings--not just something you need to quickly dupe and don't care about the quality. Let's further divide the discussion into tapes that are commonly available new today in the retail market, vs. what you might think is the "really good stuff" that you look for on the secondary market (i.e. ebay) since it just isn't made anymore. Finally, lets divide it by IEC type, and I'm primarlly interested in types I, II, and IV. OK, I have one type III (Ferrichrome) cassette, but there were never very many made (at least not in the US so the manufacturer choice let alone "quality" distinctions were pretty restricted. Here, Sco, tch was one of the only manufacturers I remember (mostly because that's what the one I have is) and I never liked their R2R tape as well as not finding their cassettes exceptional. You may wish to specify the deck you use, but that's optional. This was triggered by me experiences of having a stash picked up over the last few years of TDK MAs, as well as TDK SAs that are currently available. I noticed that in duping an R2R (7.5 ips, normal bias tape) of an FM (!) broadcast, there was some slight audible difference (maybe more bass, maybe less treble, maybe something subtle with the low backround FM interstation hiss--strong station) using my 1000ZXL LTD, and it was somewhat dependent on where I calibrated the azimuth for the tape. Turns out I may have also had a slight miscalibration in the external Dolby C unit, but that will mostly accentuate, not cause the issue. I still notice it with one that seems a little better (note that these differences are all slight--without doing a lot of A/B (tape/source) mid-passage switching during the recording, it's hard to notice something wrong a priory). I then noticed that all the newer TDKs (including these MAs, which of course can't be that new since they don't sell those in the US and I thought didn't make them any more) don't have screws in the cases. Reading the packaging, I notice they (a) talk about these being "eco-friendly" cases using less plastic and "easier to store", as well as they no longer even state that they're "anti-resonance." A far cry from the MA-R cassette I have in packaging... It appears current Maxell (XL-II and it's variants) do still have screws and do claim anti-resonance precision shells still. And they actually seem a little better. I was using for (and purchasing TDKs a few years ago) because for Type IV in the 1980s, on my 700 II deck at the time, that seemed the best (this was a 700 II modified by Nak in Torrance for metal). This was basically comparing Maxell MX and TDK MA at that time. That in turn was because I prefer Maxell UD-XL (later known as UD-XL I) or UD-XL II (on an EE deck) R2R tape. But on at least the 700 II, the TDK MAs seemed to have better range. But now, it looks like TDK has become cheap on their shells. I found an MA that was slightly older (but still not old '80s stock) and it did have screws--that one was more consistent wrt the azimuth thing, but unfortunately it had a bad spot in it (not visible, but definitely audible). So, have at it, folks. What do you prefer?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Mar 11 20:51:16 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:51:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Clicking DRAGON feedback / Remote and demagnetizer for DRAGON Message-ID: <83E49F00-9648-4E75-B8E2-71C0F3403D07@alumni.caltech.edu> > Not to gasp: I have an 8-track recorder. 60-10,000 Hz. Oooooh. Such > high > fidelity. Talk about worthless. I think of it as an analog equivalent > to MP3. > > You know the specs on yours? It msut be a Nak ;-)-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 12 06:07:03 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:07:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Clicking DRAGON feedback / Remote and demagnetizer forDRAGON In-Reply-To: <003a01c644fd$33a20a70$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Message-ID: <20060312050703.89389.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Zsolt, I know how it felt. When my Dragon came, it wouldnt work properly, and they heads had so much dirt in them! The cam belt was also loose, It took so many months of hard work, but when it worked...oh yea... But thats all not too bad, compared to the 18 months it took me to get my 1000ZXL into shape. Oh God...I could have waxed lyrical like oh dear Fred Bala 79Labs Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Hi Bala, Just take into consideration that my DRAGON doesn't even operates correctly ! :) (Well, you know if you wait about 20 years to make your dream come true even a non operating DRAGON WILL make your day...) Best regards Zsolt ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Clicking DRAGON feedback / Remote and demagnetizer forDRAGON Hi Zsolt, This email certainly makes my day! It feels so good stepping out in the light, knowing you have a solid Dragon coming to you! I felt the same with all my decks. I hope all of us will feel the same way as Zsolt and Fred do! Regards Bala 79Labs Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Hi guys ! Thanks to all of you who replied to my question 'Clicking DRAGON' ! I could use the ideas with pa! rtial success. Scott Johnson's hint how to solve one of the problems (the right pinch roller's arm was lifting very slowly due to the hardened lubricant) has worked. Unfortunately there's more... The right pinch roller is misaligned by 1,5-2,0 mms (!!!!). I have decided to send this unit to Bowers&Wilkins for total overhauling as soon as I collect the money for this rather costly excercise. Thanks again for your help and I will get back to you about the status of the unit, and my experiences as soon as I get my baby back from B&W. (Well... As I am not a native speaker of English I cannot promise to post such literatural masterpieces as Fred Lifton did, but I'll do my best...) For the time being I am trying to purchase everything possible for my DRAGON (how wonderful it is even only to write this word... :) So I am looking for an RM-20 remote and DM-10 demagne- tizer for my beloved baby. On eBay I could not find any RM-20-s or an original Nakamichi DM-10 shipping to Europe. (Only some lookalike DM-10's) (I have also read on naktalk sg. about an infra remote being built by someone... I would be a buyer for that as well !) Does any of you have any idea where from would I be able to get these accessories, or any of you have one of them ready for being sold to a Nak maniac ? ;) All answers are appreciated ! Thanks in advance ! Zsolt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 12 06:08:39 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:08:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Clicking DRAGON feedback / Remote and demagnetizer for DRAGON In-Reply-To: <83E49F00-9648-4E75-B8E2-71C0F3403D07@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060312050840.20120.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And certainly has a nicer tonal quality then the acoustic assault mp3s give on our ears. Bala 79Labs "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Not to gasp: I have an 8-track recorder. 60-10,000 Hz. Oooooh. Such high fidelity. Talk about worthless. I think of it as an analog equivalent to MP3. You know the specs on yours? It msut be a Nak ;-)-kby========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Sun Mar 12 08:05:03 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:05:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] SAE Cassette deck... In-Reply-To: <20060311054436.55448.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060311054436.55448.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have several teac x1000r's, a few half trackers. I have to go excavate to determine what is there and inventory everything! Brien On Mar 10, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Brien, > > Any reel to reel items? Or Aiwa cassette decks? I am also > looking at clearing some of my stuff, but they all complete working > decks.. > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > Brien wrote: > REAL fun Kermit! I am so pleased that something has really inspired > you to rev up the hifi engine. I have some stuff you may want to > have gratis I have a few nak 500 or 550 whichever is the portable > 1. I also have a few beo 9000 parts deck. All of this stuff is > carefully stored but it is just sucking up $$ and not being used, > sold or disbursed. This Spring I have a few hischool grads that need > to be kept busy so hopefully we can ebay it away, no reserve, no > starting bid. Spending $2,400/year on storage, I would like to just > pl! ace the stuff into the hands of people who can really enjoy it. > Buried in there is another 3014a that was sanked a few years ago. > Everything else needs to go bye bye. > > You are an inspiration to all of us, Kermit! > > Brien > On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:40 PM, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > > Hey, hey, fellow Nakaphiles; > > > > I'm finally closing in on my goal of getting all my reel-to-reel > > and cassette decks running. The Uher 1000 Report Pilot was sold on > > eBay. The Ampex 602, Revox B77-HS, B710 Mk.II; Uher 4400 Report > > Stereo, Pioneer RT-1011L, Pioneer CT-F7171, both Wollensak 2551AV > > and the sole remaining 2571AV, both Nak 550s, the 600 and the 600- > > II now run perfectly. My Nak 500 now runs ok, but the faders are a > > bit dodgy. Phew! > > > > Today's conquest was my SAE C3D cassette deck. I'm disappointed by > > the sound. It seems brittle. I had remembered it sounding better. > > Has anyone h! eard one of these decks? > > > > Still to go: Another Nak 600-II, Nak BX-2 (I think I may be able to > > get it to run for more than five minutes), and Nak 581; Pioneer CT- > > F7171, B&O Beocord 9000 (no hurry) and Onkyo TA-RW11 (also no > hurry). > > > > Fun! > > > > -- > > Kermit Gray > > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for > > recording and pro audio info! > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Relax. 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I have to go excavate to determine what is there and inventory everything! Brien On Mar 10, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Brien, Any reel to reel items? Or Aiwa cassette decks? I am also looking at clearing some of my stuff, but they all complete working decks.. Regards Bala 79Labs Brien wrote: REAL fun Kermit! I am so pleased that something has really inspired you to rev up the hifi engine. I have some stuff you may want to have gratis I have a few nak 500 or 550 whichever is the portable 1. I also have a few beo 9000 parts deck. All of this stuff is carefully stored but it is just sucking up $$ and not being used, sold or disbursed. This Spring I have a few hischool grads that need to be kept busy so hopefully we can ebay it away, no reserve, no starting bid. Spending $2,400/year on storage, I would like to just pl! ace the stuff into the hands of people who can really enjoy it. Buried in there is another 3014a that was sanked a few years ago. Everything else needs to go bye bye. You are an inspiration to all of us, Kermit! Brien On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:40 PM, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hey, hey, fellow Nakaphiles; > > I'm finally closing in on my goal of getting all my reel-to-reel > and cassette decks running. The Uher 1000 Report Pilot was sold on > eBay. The Ampex 602, Revox B77-HS, B710 Mk.II; Uher 4400 Report > Stereo, Pioneer RT-1011L, Pioneer CT-F7171, both Wollensak 2551AV > and the sole remaining 2571AV, both Nak 550s, the 600 and the 600- > II now run perfectly. My Nak 500 now runs ok, but the faders are a > bit dodgy. Phew! > > Today's conquest was my SAE C3D cassette deck. I'm disappointed by > the sound. It seems brittle. I had remembered it sounding better. > Has anyone h! eard one of these decks? > > Still to go: Another Nak 600-II, Nak BX-2 (I think I may be able to > get it to run for more than five minutes), and Nak 581; Pioneer CT- > F7171, B&O Beocord 9000 (no hurry) and Onkyo TA-RW11 (also no hurry). > > Fun! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for > recording and pro audio info! > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Relax. 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I sat and looked at all this for six months wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfully I didn't! and as winter came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last DR10s, including all the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with say the Dragon or CR7! Thank you all Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Sun Mar 12 13:33:21 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 07:33:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] New to list. Message-ID: <1ea.4e54d851.31456f11@aol.com> Hi Henry: I think that's terrific and Welcome to the Group. I am fairly new myself but its a great bunch of People with a wealth of knowledge. Dean New York USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at privatemail.me.uk Sun Mar 12 14:08:56 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:08:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am new to the group (and to the cassette medium!) and have by inheritance, a huge stash of quality blank tape, I soon realised that the medium is about to disappear so I have been actively looking in the UK for sources of tape. The outcome was grim with only sources for some Maxell and TDK cassettes found. By accident while looking for a camera battery, I stumbled un a shop in London with huge stocks of tape! Not knowing what I was looking at and not wanting to waste money (as you do) I took a pair of each to evaluate at home. I have no way to test out quality other than by ear, this I did and returned to the shop to add to my stash. these are the results, they match Alex and Marcs findings somewhat: As I brought so much of his stock, he let me rummage in his basement and I found odd boxes of very nice older tapes as well!! Type 1 I only went for the Fuji FR1S (Jap)60. A good type I to my ears and just affordable. I got 120 of these. Type II BASF Chrome Super II (German) 60. Super smooth type II great shell, screwed, good price! I got 240 of these. Maxell UDII 100 (Europe) good for messing around with but shells look suspect and the sound is "dull"! very cheap! got 30 of these. Maxell XLII and TDK SA EBSE. current production, screwed shells, Europe. in my opinion both these tapes are exceptional considering the very low price and availability here! got 360 of each. Sony UX-S (Italian) Fuji DRII (Europe) and ZII Jap-screwed!). Agree with Alex and Marc here, a great find and great quality and build. and a fair price to boot! got 360 of each. That was all the available new stock he had but these goodies came from the basement! Type II TDK SA 90 SE. SAX 90 ET5 and SF 90 EA all German. late 90s I would say? The best find is a box of 20 BASF chomedioxide super 120. with a postmark dated 1976!! I have been told that these babies are the original true chrome format and are quite abrasive? but they sound so so good though! Type IIV BASF ferrochrome. 6 of these. I played with these (Bias EQ) with strange but interestingly good results. Type IV Could not find any on the shelves - but hidden away I came across 40 TDK MA 90 SE. and 17 Sony metal XR 100. Excellent sound, not so sure about the shells though? Paid a high price though!! Do any of you know how to translate the TDK coding i.e. ET5 on the SA_Xs I have spent rather a lot of money on these cassettes but consider that as the medium id dieing, they must be an investment even if I never actually get around to opening them! By the way, the shop is http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ They don't list all the stock cassettes on the web but are happy to supply anything they have in stock by mail order. Henry -----Original Message----- From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 11 March 2006 10:43 To: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* You're right, there differentiation to be made in terms of what's available vs what's desirable, as well as the different IEC categories. I can only comment on what's generally available here in South Africa, but like anywhere, it's a struggle to get decent magnetic media. You have to be sharp, on the look-out, and acquisitive (be prepared to hoard). Be prepared to import too. Type I Usually available: TDK B, D, AD; Maxell UE, UR and occasionally (my favourite when hunting in this category) UDI; SKC LX; Sony EX and ZX You might find: TDK AR-X Type 2 Usually available: TDK SA, Sony UX, UX-S, SKC CD Super-Chrome You might find: BASF CMII, BASF TPII, BASF CE, BASF/EMTEC Chrome Record II, TDK SA-X, TDK CDing II, Sony UX-Turbo/UX-Pro, SKC QX Type 4 Usually available: Nothing You might find: TDK MA, Sony Metal XR, SKC ZX The following types are impossible to find here: TDK AR, SM, SM-X, MA-X, MA-XG, AD-X, A, CD-Bass; Maxell UDII, XLII, XLII-S, MX, MX-S, Metal Vertex, Sony HF, HF-S, HR-ES, Metal SR, MM, SMM; BASF CSII, TPIV, FMII, FSII, SKC QX and any Sanji, Fuji/Axia, Scotch, Memorex and That's. Comments Types worth picking up for me overseas or in ebay auctions etc, would be US market Maxell XLII and XLII-S, Maxell metals, (any metals for that matter), Fuji K and Z series type 2 and 4, BASF high end chromes and metals etc. Variety is the spice of life - all tapes have their own sonic fingerprint which makes analogue interesting. TDK in RSA is made in the far east - no worries about quality issues in that respect. Even the TDK CDing are actually made for the Japanese market. Maxell UDI is Japanese made - I prefer it to TDK AD. Maxell XLII - totally unavailable - one of the best type IIs to my mind and for many years the tape of choice for concert tape traders. The blue industrially bonded-shell Sony UX-S from Mexico is excellent (green packaging). If you chance upon the Sony UX made in Italy, grab it - beautiful tape. Maxell XLII-S - wherever it's from (Japan or UK) it's one of the greats - grab them. Any stashes of MX-S (Maxell) - they are for many, even judged amongst the super-metals, the quintessential type IV. Buy what you can. MX - also Maxell - calibration and Dolby friendly - ruler flat response - great type 4. TDK MA - bright, tolerant and animated - always rewarding. Hope this helps. If you have specific tapes you need info or opinions on, including matters of vintage - please ask. Cheers - Marc >>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu 3/10/2006 11:38:14 PM >>> Following on the discussion about Yuri's CR7 azimuth battles and cassettes: the question is simple, but I'm sure there will be much heated debate. The question, simply, is what tapes do people try to get to feed their Naks? First, some ground rules. Other than things to clearly avoid due to serious malfunction (e.g., this type of tape always breaks/jams in my deck whereas others are OK kind of thing), let's hold the discussion to what you use for "good" recordings--not just something you need to quickly dupe and don't care about the quality. Let's further divide the discussion into tapes that are commonly available new today in the retail market, vs. what you might think is the "really good stuff" that you look for on the secondary market (i.e. ebay) since it just isn't made anymore. Finally, lets divide it by IEC type, and I'm primarlly interested in types I, II, and IV. OK, I have one type III (Ferrichrome) cassette, but there were never very many made (at least not in the US so the manufacturer choice let alone "quality" distinctions were pretty restricted. Here, Sco, tch was one of the only manufacturers I remember (mostly because that's what the one I have is) and I never liked their R2R tape as well as not finding their cassettes exceptional. You may wish to specify the deck you use, but that's optional. This was triggered by me experiences of having a stash picked up over the last few years of TDK MAs, as well as TDK SAs that are currently available. I noticed that in duping an R2R (7.5 ips, normal bias tape) of an FM (!) broadcast, there was some slight audible difference (maybe more bass, maybe less treble, maybe something subtle with the low backround FM interstation hiss--strong station) using my 1000ZXL LTD, and it was somewhat dependent on where I calibrated the azimuth for the tape. Turns out I may have also had a slight miscalibration in the external Dolby C unit, but that will mostly accentuate, not cause the issue. I still notice it with one that seems a little better (note that these differences are all slight--without doing a lot of A/B (tape/source) mid-passage switching during the recording, it's hard to notice something wrong a priory). I then noticed that all the newer TDKs (including these MAs, which of course can't be that new since they don't sell those in the US and I thought didn't make them any more) don't have screws in the cases. Reading the packaging, I notice they (a) talk about these being "eco-friendly" cases using less plastic and "easier to store", as well as they no longer even state that they're "anti-resonance." A far cry from the MA-R cassette I have in packaging... It appears current Maxell (XL-II and it's variants) do still have screws and do claim anti-resonance precision shells still. And they actually seem a little better. I was using for (and purchasing TDKs a few years ago) because for Type IV in the 1980s, on my 700 II deck at the time, that seemed the best (this was a 700 II modified by Nak in Torrance for metal). This was basically comparing Maxell MX and TDK MA at that time. That in turn was because I prefer Maxell UD-XL (later known as UD-XL I) or UD-XL II (on an EE deck) R2R tape. But on at least the 700 II, the TDK MAs seemed to have better range. But now, it looks like TDK has become cheap on their shells. I found an MA that was slightly older (but still not old '80s stock) and it did have screws--that one was more consistent wrt the azimuth thing, but unfortunately it had a bad spot in it (not visible, but definitely audible). So, have at it, folks. 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All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 12 14:29:34 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:29:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060312132934.82556.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Henry, Welcome to the group. That's so nice to hear that you share your dad's passion. While accquiring the equipment and records is hard, maintaining them for the next generation is equally challenging. Cherish them well and lavish the best care you can afford. Cheers! Bala Ganesh 79Labs Henry wrote: Hi, I have been following "Naktalk" for around 4 months now and have finally decided to sign up. A little about my history: I live in the wilds of England's East coast thankfully near to London! Last Eastertide my father died (he was a member, "colin4014" I believe?) and I inherited half of his hi-fi gear including 19 of his beloved "Nakamichi" tape decks, a number of R to R decks, some top line amps - speakers - turntables etc. Also the contents of a 24ft X 6ft storage cupboard containing a huge record and tape collection taking up half the space, the rest being crammed with blank media and spare parts. I sat and looked at all this for six months wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfully I didn't! and as winter came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last DR10s, including all the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with say the Dragon or CR7! 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URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Mar 12 19:26:58 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:26:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL golden rarity Message-ID: <000801c64602$8da7ef70$8fd017c4@home> The Nak 1000ZXL (golden version) that was recently noted in eBbay and eminating from China has today again be listed 8 TIMES on a worldwide search of eBay -----again as being a Chinese item! 'tis enough to shake your head by perpetual motion! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Mar 13 00:38:13 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:38:13 EST Subject: [naktalk] SAE Cassette deck... Message-ID: <2da.41d9766.31460ae5@aol.com> Hi Everyone! Does anyone has a Revox B 710 parts cassette deck? I need one to fix mine! Also how much is Brien asking for his 9000 beocord parts cassette deck and whats wrong with it! I like to tinker with these things!:) Many Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Mar 13 04:57:27 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 03:57:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* Message-ID: Shalom Henry! These don't try on any Nak deck...please, are old, and 120 minutes (Read the second, page on any Nak Instructions manual), it's really NOT recommended...>The best find is a box of 20 BASF chomedioxide super 120. with a postmark dated 1976!! I have been told that these babies are the original true chrome format and are quite abrasive? but they sound so so good though!< So...you are NOW extremely well loaded with cassettes...enjoyed them!!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Henry" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:08:56 -0000 > >I am new to the group (and to the cassette medium!) and have by >inheritance, >a huge stash of quality blank tape, I soon realised that the medium is >about to disappear so I have been actively looking in the UK for sources of >tape. The outcome was grim with only sources for some Maxell and TDK >cassettes found. By accident while looking for a camera battery, I >stumbled >un a shop in London with huge stocks of tape! Not knowing what I was >looking at and not wanting to waste money (as you do) I took a pair of each >to evaluate at home. I have no way to test out quality other than by ear, >this I did and returned to the shop to add to my stash. these are the >results, they match Alex and Marcs findings somewhat: As I brought so much >of his stock, he let me rummage in his basement and I found odd boxes of >very nice older tapes as well!! > >Type 1 > > I only went for the Fuji FR1S (Jap)60. A good type I to my ears and >just >affordable. I got 120 of these. > >Type II > > BASF Chrome Super II (German) 60. Super smooth type II great shell, >screwed, good price! I got 240 of these. Maxell UDII 100 (Europe) good >for >messing around with but shells look suspect and the sound is "dull"! very >cheap! got 30 of these. Maxell XLII and TDK SA EBSE. current production, >screwed shells, Europe. in my opinion both these tapes are exceptional >considering the very low price and availability here! got 360 of each. >Sony UX-S (Italian) Fuji DRII (Europe) and ZII Jap-screwed!). Agree with >Alex and Marc here, a great find and great quality and build. and a fair >price to boot! got 360 of each. > >That was all the available new stock he had but these goodies came from >the >basement! > >Type II > >TDK SA 90 SE. SAX 90 ET5 and SF 90 EA all German. late 90s I would say? >The best find is a box of 20 BASF chomedioxide super 120. with a postmark >dated 1976!! I have been told that these babies are the original true >chrome >format and are quite abrasive? but they sound so so good though! > >Type IIV > > BASF ferrochrome. 6 of these. I played with these (Bias EQ) with >strange but interestingly good results. > >Type IV > > Could not find any on the shelves - but hidden away I came across 40 TDK >MA 90 SE. and 17 Sony metal XR 100. Excellent sound, not so sure about the >shells though? Paid a high price though!! > > Do any of you know how to translate the TDK coding i.e. ET5 on the SA_Xs > > I have spent rather a lot of money on these cassettes but consider that >as >the medium id dieing, they must be an investment even if I never actually >get around to opening them! > >By the way, the shop is http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ They don't list all the >stock cassettes on the web but are happy to supply anything they have in >stock by mail order. > >Henry > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] >Sent: 11 March 2006 10:43 >To: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu; naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* > > > >You're right, there differentiation to be made in terms of what's available >vs what's desirable, as well as the different IEC categories. > >I can only comment on what's generally available here in South Africa, but >like anywhere, it's a struggle to get decent magnetic media. You have to >be >sharp, on the look-out, and acquisitive (be prepared to hoard). Be >prepared >to import too. > >Type I > >Usually available: TDK B, D, AD; Maxell UE, UR and occasionally (my >favourite when hunting in this category) UDI; SKC LX; Sony EX and ZX >You might find: TDK AR-X > >Type 2 > >Usually available: TDK SA, Sony UX, UX-S, SKC CD Super-Chrome >You might find: BASF CMII, BASF TPII, BASF CE, BASF/EMTEC Chrome Record II, >TDK SA-X, TDK CDing II, Sony UX-Turbo/UX-Pro, SKC QX > >Type 4 > >Usually available: Nothing >You might find: TDK MA, Sony Metal XR, SKC ZX > >The following types are impossible to find here: > >TDK AR, SM, SM-X, MA-X, MA-XG, AD-X, A, CD-Bass; Maxell UDII, XLII, XLII-S, >MX, MX-S, Metal Vertex, Sony HF, HF-S, HR-ES, Metal SR, MM, SMM; BASF CSII, >TPIV, FMII, FSII, SKC QX and any Sanji, Fuji/Axia, Scotch, Memorex and >That's. > > >Comments > >Types worth picking up for me overseas or in ebay auctions etc, would be US >market Maxell XLII and XLII-S, Maxell metals, (any metals for that matter), >Fuji K and Z series type 2 and 4, BASF high end chromes and metals etc. >Variety is the spice of life - all tapes have their own sonic fingerprint >which makes analogue interesting. > >TDK in RSA is made in the far east - no worries about quality issues in >that >respect. Even the TDK CDing are actually made for the Japanese market. >Maxell UDI is Japanese made - I prefer it to TDK AD. Maxell XLII - totally >unavailable - one of the best type IIs to my mind and for many years the >tape of choice for concert tape traders. The blue industrially >bonded-shell >Sony UX-S from Mexico is excellent (green packaging). If you chance upon >the Sony UX made in Italy, grab it - beautiful tape. Maxell XLII-S - >wherever it's from (Japan or UK) it's one of the greats - grab them. Any >stashes of MX-S (Maxell) - they are for many, even judged amongst the >super-metals, the quintessential type IV. Buy what you can. MX - also >Maxell - calibration and Dolby friendly - ruler flat response - great type >4. TDK MA - bright, tolerant and animated - always rewarding. > >Hope this helps. If you have specific tapes you need info or opinions on, >including matters of vintage - please ask. > >Cheers - Marc > > > > > >>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu 3/10/2006 11:38:14 PM >>> >Following on the discussion about Yuri's CR7 azimuth battles and >cassettes: the question is simple, >but I'm sure there will be much heated debate. > >The question, simply, is what tapes do people try to get to feed >their Naks? > >First, some ground rules. Other than things to clearly avoid due to >serious malfunction >(e.g., this type of tape always breaks/jams in my deck whereas others >are OK kind of thing), let's >hold the discussion to what you use for "good" recordings--not just >something you need to quickly >dupe and don't care about the quality. > >Let's further divide the discussion into tapes that are commonly >available new today in the >retail market, vs. what you might think is the "really good stuff" >that you look for on the secondary >market (i.e. ebay) since it just isn't made anymore. > >Finally, lets divide it by IEC type, and I'm primarlly interested in >types I, II, and IV. OK, I have one >type III (Ferrichrome) cassette, but there were never very many made >(at least not in the US so >the manufacturer choice let alone "quality" distinctions were pretty >restricted. Here, Sco, tch was one >of the only manufacturers I remember (mostly because that's what the >one I have is) and I never liked >their R2R tape as well as not finding their cassettes exceptional. > >You may wish to specify the deck you use, but that's optional. > >This was triggered by me experiences of having a stash picked up over >the last few years of >TDK MAs, as well as TDK SAs that are currently available. I noticed >that in duping an R2R (7.5 ips, >normal bias tape) of an FM (!) broadcast, there was some slight >audible difference (maybe more bass, >maybe less treble, maybe something subtle with the low backround FM >interstation hiss--strong station) >using my 1000ZXL LTD, and it was somewhat dependent on where I >calibrated the azimuth for the >tape. Turns out I may have also had a slight miscalibration in the >external Dolby C unit, but that will >mostly accentuate, not cause the issue. I still notice it with one >that seems a little better (note that these >differences are all slight--without doing a lot of A/B (tape/source) >mid-passage switching during the >recording, it's hard to notice something wrong a priory). I then >noticed that all the newer TDKs (including >these MAs, which of course can't be that new since they don't sell >those in the US and I thought didn't >make them any more) don't have screws in the cases. Reading the >packaging, I notice they (a) talk about >these being "eco-friendly" cases using less plastic and "easier to >store", as well as they no longer even >state that they're "anti-resonance." A far cry from the MA-R cassette >I have in packaging... > >It appears current Maxell (XL-II and it's variants) do still have >screws and do claim anti-resonance precision shells still. >And they actually seem a little better. > >I was using for (and purchasing TDKs a few years ago) because for >Type IV in the 1980s, on my 700 II deck >at the time, that seemed the best (this was a 700 II modified by Nak >in Torrance for metal). This was basically >comparing Maxell MX and TDK MA at that time. That in turn was because >I prefer Maxell UD-XL (later known >as UD-XL I) or UD-XL II (on an EE deck) R2R tape. But on at least the >700 II, the TDK MAs seemed to have >better range. > >But now, it looks like TDK has become cheap on their shells. I found >an MA that was slightly older (but still not >old '80s stock) and it did have screws--that one was more consistent >wrt the azimuth thing, but unfortunately it had >a bad spot in it (not visible, but definitely audible). > >So, have at it, folks. What do you prefer?-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or >more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use >of >the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, >disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in >reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by >replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your >computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are >present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or >damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Mar 13 07:17:39 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:17:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* Message-ID: Hi Mike, Look for the following: Type IV: Metal Maxima TPIV Type II: Reference Maxima TPII, Chrome Maxima CMII, Chrome Super CSII. Type 1: Ferro Maxima FMII Good luck in your search - Marc >>> lenaw at flash.net 3/11/2006 9:22 PM >>> Hi Marc: Which model(s) are considered to be high-end BASF tapes? Thanks. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc hugo Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:43 AM To: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* You're right, there differentiation to be made in terms of what's available vs what's desirable, as well as the different IEC categories. I can only comment on what's generally available here in South Africa, but like anywhere, it's a struggle to get decent magnetic media. You have to be sharp, on the look-out, and acquisitive (be prepared to hoard). Be prepared to import too. Type I Usually available: TDK B, D, AD; Maxell UE, UR and occasionally (my favourite when hunting in this category) UDI; SKC LX; Sony EX and ZX You might find: TDK AR-X Type 2 Usually available: TDK SA, Sony UX, UX-S, SKC CD Super-Chrome You might find: BASF CMII, BASF TPII, BASF CE, BASF/EMTEC Chrome Record II, TDK SA-X, TDK CDing II, Sony UX-Turbo/UX-Pro, SKC QX Type 4 Usually available: Nothing You might find: TDK MA, Sony Metal XR, SKC ZX The following types are impossible to find here: TDK AR, SM, SM-X, MA-X, MA-XG, AD-X, A, CD-Bass; Maxell UDII, XLII, XLII-S, MX, MX-S, Metal Vertex, Sony HF, HF-S, HR-ES, Metal SR, MM, SMM; BASF CSII, TPIV, FMII, FSII, SKC QX and any Sanji, Fuji/Axia, Scotch, Memorex and That's. Comments Types worth picking up for me overseas or in ebay auctions etc, would be US market Maxell XLII and XLII-S, Maxell metals, (any metals for that matter), Fuji K and Z series type 2 and 4, BASF high end chromes and metals etc. Variety is the spice of life - all tapes have their own sonic fingerprint which makes analogue interesting. TDK in RSA is made in the far east - no worries about quality issues in that respect. Even the TDK CDing are actually made for the Japanese market. Maxell UDI is Japanese made - I prefer it to TDK AD. Maxell XLII - totally unavailable - one of the best type IIs to my mind and for many years the tape of choice for concert tape traders. The blue industrially bonded-shell Sony UX-S from Mexico is excellent (green packaging). If you chance upon the Sony UX made in Italy, grab it - beautiful tape. Maxell XLII-S - wherever it's from (Japan or UK) it's one of the greats - grab them. Any stashes of MX-S (Maxell) - they are for many, even judged amongst the super-metals, the quintessential type IV. Buy what you can. MX - also Maxell - calibration and Dolby friendly - ruler flat response - great type 4. TDK MA - bright, tolerant and animated - always rewarding. Hope this helps. If you have specific tapes you need info or opinions on, including matters of vintage - please ask. Cheers - Marc >>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu 3/10/2006 11:38:14 PM >>> Following on the discussion about Yuri's CR7 azimuth battles and cassettes: the question is simple, but I'm sure there will be much heated debate. The question, simply, is what tapes do people try to get to feed their Naks? First, some ground rules. Other than things to clearly avoid due to serious malfunction (e.g., this type of tape always breaks/jams in my deck whereas others are OK kind of thing), let's hold the discussion to what you use for "good" recordings--not just something you need to quickly dupe and don't care about the quality. Let's further divide the discussion into tapes that are commonly available new today in the retail market, vs. what you might think is the "really good stuff" that you look for on the secondary market (i.e. ebay) since it just isn't made anymore. Finally, lets divide it by IEC type, and I'm primarlly interested in types I, II, and IV. OK, I have one type III (Ferrichrome) cassette, but there were never very many made (at least not in the US so the manufacturer choice let alone "quality" distinctions were pretty restricted. Here, Sco, tch was one of the only manufacturers I remember (mostly because that's what the one I have is) and I never liked their R2R tape as well as not finding their cassettes exceptional. You may wish to specify the deck you use, but that's optional. This was triggered by me experiences of having a stash picked up over the last few years of TDK MAs, as well as TDK SAs that are currently available. I noticed that in duping an R2R (7.5 ips, normal bias tape) of an FM (!) broadcast, there was some slight audible difference (maybe more bass, maybe less treble, maybe something subtle with the low backround FM interstation hiss--strong station) using my 1000ZXL LTD, and it was somewhat dependent on where I calibrated the azimuth for the tape. Turns out I may have also had a slight miscalibration in the external Dolby C unit, but that will mostly accentuate, not cause the issue. I still notice it with one that seems a little better (note that these differences are all slight--without doing a lot of A/B (tape/source) mid-passage switching during the recording, it's hard to notice something wrong a priory). I then noticed that all the newer TDKs (including these MAs, which of course can't be that new since they don't sell those in the US and I thought didn't make them any more) don't have screws in the cases. Reading the packaging, I notice they (a) talk about these being "eco-friendly" cases using less plastic and "easier to store", as well as they no longer even state that they're "anti-resonance." A far cry from the MA-R cassette I have in packaging... It appears current Maxell (XL-II and it's variants) do still have screws and do claim anti-resonance precision shells still. And they actually seem a little better. I was using for (and purchasing TDKs a few years ago) because for Type IV in the 1980s, on my 700 II deck at the time, that seemed the best (this was a 700 II modified by Nak in Torrance for metal). This was basically comparing Maxell MX and TDK MA at that time. That in turn was because I prefer Maxell UD-XL (later known as UD-XL I) or UD-XL II (on an EE deck) R2R tape. But on at least the 700 II, the TDK MAs seemed to have better range. But now, it looks like TDK has become cheap on their shells. I found an MA that was slightly older (but still not old '80s stock) and it did have screws--that one was more consistent wrt the azimuth thing, but unfortunately it had a bad spot in it (not visible, but definitely audible). So, have at it, folks. What do you prefer?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Mar 13 07:31:46 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:31:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* Message-ID: Hi Henry, Congrats!!! Looks like you found my old buddies next to the Aldgate East tube station - Whitechapel Road if I'm not mistaken. Well done!! I'll write later on your magnificent stash. Have a great day!! Marc >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 3:08 PM >>> I am new to the group (and to the cassette medium!) and have by inheritance, a huge stash of quality blank tape, I soon realised that the medium is about to disappear so I have been actively looking in the UK for sources of tape. The outcome was grim with only sources for some Maxell and TDK cassettes found. By accident while looking for a camera battery, I stumbled un a shop in London with huge stocks of tape! Not knowing what I was looking at and not wanting to waste money (as you do) I took a pair of each to evaluate at home. I have no way to test out quality other than by ear, this I did and returned to the shop to add to my stash. these are the results, they match Alex and Marcs findings somewhat: As I brought so much of his stock, he let me rummage in his basement and I found odd boxes of very nice older tapes as well!! Type 1 I only went for the Fuji FR1S (Jap)60. A good type I to my ears and just affordable. I got 120 of these. Type II BASF Chrome Super II (German) 60. Super smooth type II great shell, screwed, good price! I got 240 of these. Maxell UDII 100 (Europe) good for messing around with but shells look suspect and the sound is "dull"! very cheap! got 30 of these. Maxell XLII and TDK SA EBSE. current production, screwed shells, Europe. in my opinion both these tapes are exceptional considering the very low price and availability here! got 360 of each. Sony UX-S (Italian) Fuji DRII (Europe) and ZII Jap-screwed!). Agree with Alex and Marc here, a great find and great quality and build. and a fair price to boot! got 360 of each. That was all the available new stock he had but these goodies came from the basement! Type II TDK SA 90 SE. SAX 90 ET5 and SF 90 EA all German. late 90s I would say? The best find is a box of 20 BASF chomedioxide super 120. with a postmark dated 1976!! I have been told that these babies are the original true chrome format and are quite abrasive? but they sound so so good though! Type IIV BASF ferrochrome. 6 of these. I played with these (Bias EQ) with strange but interestingly good results. Type IV Could not find any on the shelves - but hidden away I came across 40 TDK MA 90 SE. and 17 Sony metal XR 100. Excellent sound, not so sure about the shells though? Paid a high price though!! Do any of you know how to translate the TDK coding i.e. ET5 on the SA_Xs I have spent rather a lot of money on these cassettes but consider that as the medium id dieing, they must be an investment even if I never actually get around to opening them! By the way, the shop is http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ They don't list all the stock cassettes on the web but are happy to supply anything they have in stock by mail order. Henry -----Original Message----- From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 11 March 2006 10:43 To: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* You're right, there differentiation to be made in terms of what's available vs what's desirable, as well as the different IEC categories. I can only comment on what's generally available here in South Africa, but like anywhere, it's a struggle to get decent magnetic media. You have to be sharp, on the look-out, and acquisitive (be prepared to hoard). Be prepared to import too. Type I Usually available: TDK B, D, AD; Maxell UE, UR and occasionally (my favourite when hunting in this category) UDI; SKC LX; Sony EX and ZX You might find: TDK AR-X Type 2 Usually available: TDK SA, Sony UX, UX-S, SKC CD Super-Chrome You might find: BASF CMII, BASF TPII, BASF CE, BASF/EMTEC Chrome Record II, TDK SA-X, TDK CDing II, Sony UX-Turbo/UX-Pro, SKC QX Type 4 Usually available: Nothing You might find: TDK MA, Sony Metal XR, SKC ZX The following types are impossible to find here: TDK AR, SM, SM-X, MA-X, MA-XG, AD-X, A, CD-Bass; Maxell UDII, XLII, XLII-S, MX, MX-S, Metal Vertex, Sony HF, HF-S, HR-ES, Metal SR, MM, SMM; BASF CSII, TPIV, FMII, FSII, SKC QX and any Sanji, Fuji/Axia, Scotch, Memorex and That's. Comments Types worth picking up for me overseas or in ebay auctions etc, would be US market Maxell XLII and XLII-S, Maxell metals, (any metals for that matter), Fuji K and Z series type 2 and 4, BASF high end chromes and metals etc. Variety is the spice of life - all tapes have their own sonic fingerprint which makes analogue interesting. TDK in RSA is made in the far east - no worries about quality issues in that respect. Even the TDK CDing are actually made for the Japanese market. Maxell UDI is Japanese made - I prefer it to TDK AD. Maxell XLII - totally unavailable - one of the best type IIs to my mind and for many years the tape of choice for concert tape traders. The blue industrially bonded-shell Sony UX-S from Mexico is excellent (green packaging). If you chance upon the Sony UX made in Italy, grab it - beautiful tape. Maxell XLII-S - wherever it's from (Japan or UK) it's one of the greats - grab them. Any stashes of MX-S (Maxell) - they are for many, even judged amongst the super-metals, the quintessential type IV. Buy what you can. MX - also Maxell - calibration and Dolby friendly - ruler flat response - great type 4. TDK MA - bright, tolerant and animated - always rewarding. Hope this helps. If you have specific tapes you need info or opinions on, including matters of vintage - please ask. Cheers - Marc >>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu 3/10/2006 11:38:14 PM >>> Following on the discussion about Yuri's CR7 azimuth battles and cassettes: the question is simple, but I'm sure there will be much heated debate. The question, simply, is what tapes do people try to get to feed their Naks? First, some ground rules. Other than things to clearly avoid due to serious malfunction (e.g., this type of tape always breaks/jams in my deck whereas others are OK kind of thing), let's hold the discussion to what you use for "good" recordings--not just something you need to quickly dupe and don't care about the quality. Let's further divide the discussion into tapes that are commonly available new today in the retail market, vs. what you might think is the "really good stuff" that you look for on the secondary market (i.e. ebay) since it just isn't made anymore. Finally, lets divide it by IEC type, and I'm primarlly interested in types I, II, and IV. OK, I have one type III (Ferrichrome) cassette, but there were never very many made (at least not in the US so the manufacturer choice let alone "quality" distinctions were pretty restricted. Here, Sco, tch was one of the only manufacturers I remember (mostly because that's what the one I have is) and I never liked their R2R tape as well as not finding their cassettes exceptional. You may wish to specify the deck you use, but that's optional. This was triggered by me experiences of having a stash picked up over the last few years of TDK MAs, as well as TDK SAs that are currently available. I noticed that in duping an R2R (7.5 ips, normal bias tape) of an FM (!) broadcast, there was some slight audible difference (maybe more bass, maybe less treble, maybe something subtle with the low backround FM interstation hiss--strong station) using my 1000ZXL LTD, and it was somewhat dependent on where I calibrated the azimuth for the tape. Turns out I may have also had a slight miscalibration in the external Dolby C unit, but that will mostly accentuate, not cause the issue. I still notice it with one that seems a little better (note that these differences are all slight--without doing a lot of A/B (tape/source) mid-passage switching during the recording, it's hard to notice something wrong a priory). I then noticed that all the newer TDKs (including these MAs, which of course can't be that new since they don't sell those in the US and I thought didn't make them any more) don't have screws in the cases. Reading the packaging, I notice they (a) talk about these being "eco-friendly" cases using less plastic and "easier to store", as well as they no longer even state that they're "anti-resonance." A far cry from the MA-R cassette I have in packaging... It appears current Maxell (XL-II and it's variants) do still have screws and do claim anti-resonance precision shells still. And they actually seem a little better. I was using for (and purchasing TDKs a few years ago) because for Type IV in the 1980s, on my 700 II deck at the time, that seemed the best (this was a 700 II modified by Nak in Torrance for metal). This was basically comparing Maxell MX and TDK MA at that time. That in turn was because I prefer Maxell UD-XL (later known as UD-XL I) or UD-XL II (on an EE deck) R2R tape. But on at least the 700 II, the TDK MAs seemed to have better range. But now, it looks like TDK has become cheap on their shells. I found an MA that was slightly older (but still not old '80s stock) and it did have screws--that one was more consistent wrt the azimuth thing, but unfortunately it had a bad spot in it (not visible, but definitely audible). So, have at it, folks. What do you prefer?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Mar 13 11:28:16 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:28:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. Message-ID: Hi Henry, Please accept my condolences on the loss of your father, Colin. Of course, we knew him. In fact, he was to have visitied South Africa last year...... This is sad indeed. Warm welcome to the group and hope to get many posts from you on your taping and archiving projects. Kindest regards, Marc Hugo >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 12:43 PM >>> Hi, I have been following "Naktalk" for around 4 months now and have finally decided to sign up. A little about my history: I live in the wilds of England's East coast thankfully near to London! Last Eastertide my father died (he was a member, "colin4014" I believe?) and I inherited half of his hi-fi gear including 19 of his beloved "Nakamichi" tape decks, a number of R to R decks, some top line amps - speakers - turntables etc. Also the contents of a 24ft X 6ft storage cupboard containing a huge record and tape collection taking up half the space, the rest being crammed with blank media and spare parts. I sat and looked at all this for six months wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfully I didn't! and as winter came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last DR10s, including all the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with say the Dragon or CR7! Thank you all Henry The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 18:15:28 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:15:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10603130915q44536776p14775eaa91890572@mail.gmail.com> Henry, I'm almost sure this means that these cassettes were originally sold in multi-packs of 5. Rgds George > >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 3:08 PM >>> > > Do any of you know how to translate the TDK coding i.e. ET5 on the SA_Xs > > Henry From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Mar 13 22:04:19 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:04:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* Message-ID: <97325B1E-B783-40F5-BCAE-E89E07815D08@alumni.caltech.edu> > These don't try on any Nak deck...please, are old, and 120 minutes > (Read the > second, page on any Nak Instructions manual), it's really NOT > recommended... I wouldn't be quite so paranoid about old C-120s. As Bala (and perhaps others) has/have pointed out. even the C-90s of today are a lot thinner than C-90s of 20 years ago. And C-110s? Are they really that much better than 120s? That said, most 120s weren't made for real high fidelity stuff-- between the fragility, inability to get as hefty an oxide coating (this is something I'm guessing on, so I could be wrong here), and greater susceptibility to print-through, I would largely use the to archive something (in multiple copies) if spoken word or something that didn't have a lot of demands. I recall that in the 80s, Maxell (and probably the equivalent for TDK) made 120s in the middle-grade ferric tapes, but not their high-end ferrics, nor their chrome tapes. TDK actually made D-180s back then too--they aren't specifically mentioned in the Nak manuals, so does that mean they're OK :-)?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at privatemail.me.uk Mon Mar 13 22:28:50 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:28:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi! to you all, I must first thank you all for your kind remarks of my dad, he was "special! and deeply missed. Marc he did visit RSA last springtime, and this is where he died at the end of his trip, he lies in a family plot, Near Durban. His family roots were there and I know that is where he was to retire, he also had a house there you know. He was a serious Nak collector and even on this visit he "acquired" a Nak reel to reel deck via an ols friend ( its now resting in my garage waiting for some TLC) and yet another record collection!! To Alex, your comments on the 1970s 120 min BASF chromdioxide cassettes - the very first 10 tapes in my fathers collection are these tapes, recorded with 70s radio programmes. They have been well played still sound great and are all in excellent condition (indeed I am listening to one now (Around The Horn)). so it would help me if you could explain your comments in more detail. I have one quick question for you guys, How often should I have the Nak decks maintained and calibrated? I do make sure that each machine gets an hours use each 14 days. As you must know, we have B&W in England and they are relatively near to me. I believe they have a fine reputation in the group, great work and speedy service? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 13 March 2006 10:28 To: naktalk at naks.com; henry at privatemail.me.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, Please accept my condolences on the loss of your father, Colin. Of course, we knew him. In fact, he was to have visitied South Africa last year...... This is sad indeed. Warm welcome to the group and hope to get many posts from you on your taping and archiving projects. Kindest regards, Marc Hugo >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 12:43 PM >>> Hi, I have been following "Naktalk" for around 4 months now and have finally decided to sign up. A little about my history: I live in the wilds of England's East coast thankfully near to London! Last Eastertide my father died (he was a member, "colin4014" I believe?) and I inherited half of his hi-fi gear including 19 of his beloved "Nakamichi" tape decks, a number of R to R decks, some top line amps - speakers - turntables etc. Also the contents of a 24ft X 6ft storage cupboard containing a huge record and tape collection taking up half the space, the rest being crammed with blank media and spare parts. I sat and looked at all this for six months wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfully I didn't! and as winter came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last DR10s, including all the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with say the Dragon or CR7! Thank you all Henry The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 13 22:53:33 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:53:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* In-Reply-To: <97325B1E-B783-40F5-BCAE-E89E07815D08@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <97325B1E-B783-40F5-BCAE-E89E07815D08@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <4415E9DD.5050300@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> These don't try on any Nak deck...please, are old, and 120 minutes >> (Read the >> second, page on any Nak Instructions manual), it's really NOT >> recommended... > > I wouldn't be quite so paranoid about old C-120s. As Bala (and > perhaps others) has/have pointed out. > even the C-90s of today are a lot thinner than C-90s of 20 years ago. > And C-110s? Are they really that > much better than 120s? > > That said, most 120s weren't made for real high fidelity stuff-- > between the fragility, inability to get as hefty > an oxide coating (this is something I'm guessing on, so I could be > wrong here), and greater susceptibility to > print-through, I would largely use the to archive something (in > multiple copies) if spoken word or something that didn't > have a lot of demands. > > I recall that in the 80s, Maxell (and probably the equivalent for > TDK) made 120s in the middle-grade > ferric tapes, but not their high-end ferrics, nor their chrome tapes. > > TDK actually made D-180s back then too--they aren't specifically > mentioned in the Nak manuals, > so does that mean they're OK :-)?-kby Years ago, I managed a development project for a Holter system. Briefly, this system records a person's ecg for a whole day at a tape speed of 0.08 i.p.s, on a C-120 cassette that runs for 24 hours (in one direction). This was then played back at a much faster rate, enabling a lab technician to diagnose the person's condition in a few minutes, rather than many hours. The cassettes were TDK type I (similar to their D series). I had on many occasions recorded audio on these cassettes, using Nak 700, 582 and CR-7, not to mention several other high end decks. Never (by that I mean, NEVER) have I ever had any trouble whatsoever with these cassettes. In well over 25 years, not once, not ever. This allows me to come to the non-scientific conclusion that good quality C-120 cassettes are safe to use on good quality equipment. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 13 23:10:34 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:10:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4415EDDA.3030008@rcn.com> Henry wrote: > Hi! to you all, > [.........] > > I have one quick question for you guys, How often should I have the Nak > decks maintained and calibrated? I do make sure that each machine gets an > hours use each 14 days. As you must know, we have B&W in England and they > are relatively near to me. I believe they have a fine reputation in the > group, great work and speedy service? This depends on the specific model. IMO (which, I am sure, is different than any other opinion), a deck should be serviced every one to two years. In the case of Naks, I would lean towards shorter periods for decks that utilize the Sankyo transport (BX and CR series) and towards the longer periods for decks utilizing the Nak transport (i.e. 582 etc.). I believe decks should be calibrated every 5 to 10 years, or sooner if the need arises. In addition, I degauss and clean the heads and tape path every 10 to 15 hours or so. These are not hard, accurate numbers; just what I have found to work well for me over a lifetime of recording and playing tapes (the last 30 years or so -- Nak decks). I found this also worked well for people whose decks I serviced. -- Ron > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] > Sent: 13 March 2006 10:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com; henry at privatemail.me.uk > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New to list. > > > Hi Henry, > > Please accept my condolences on the loss of your father, Colin. Of course, > we knew him. In fact, he was to have visitied South Africa last year...... > This is sad indeed. Warm welcome to the group and hope to get many posts > from you on your taping and archiving projects. > > Kindest regards, > > Marc Hugo > >>>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 12:43 PM >>> > Hi, I have been following "Naktalk" for around 4 months now and have > finally decided to sign up. A little about my history: I live in the > wilds of England's East coast thankfully near to London! Last Eastertide my > father died (he was a member, "colin4014" I believe?) and I inherited half > of his hi-fi gear including 19 of his beloved "Nakamichi" tape decks, a > number of R to R decks, some top line amps - speakers - turntables etc. > Also the contents of a 24ft X 6ft storage cupboard containing a huge record > and tape collection taking up half the space, the rest being crammed with > blank media and spare parts. I sat and looked at all this for six months > wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had > any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfully I didn't! and as winter > came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon > realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now > totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record > collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette > tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration > and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from > reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at > this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). > For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last > DR10s, including all the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I > use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to > get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with > say the Dragon or CR7! > > Thank you all Henry From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 13 23:59:16 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:59:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060313225917.35705.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Henry, My condolences. He's not just left you a collection, but a legacy. A Nak reel to reel! Please try to get a snap of it! There are many anxious members waiting to get a glimps of one. (Does it have the Nakamichi logo on it? Hmm..). B and W are a fine source and have a very great reputation. They are one of the last few established sources that work on Nak equipment. Now the thing is with frequent use, Nak's dont need very frequent maintainence. The usual head care and demag. I usually gives my machine a yearly once-over. Checking that the belts and pinch rollers are ok, cleaning the pots and switches with De-Oxit, checking that the machine measures up to spec and adjustments if necessary. A big welcome to the family! Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Henry wrote: Hi! to you all, I must first thank you all for your kind remarks of my dad, he was "special! and deeply missed. Marc he did visit RSA last springtime, and this is where he died at the end of his trip, he lies in a family plot, Near Durban. His family roots were there and I know that is where he was to retire, he also had a house there you know. He was a serious Nak collector and even on this visit he "acquired" a Nak reel to reel deck via an ols friend ( its now resting in my garage waiting for some TLC) and yet another record collection!! To Alex, your comments on the 1970s 120 min BASF chromdioxide cassettes - the very first 10 tapes in my fathers collection are these tapes, recorded with 70s radio programmes. They have been well played still sound great and are all in excellent condition (indeed I am listening to one now (Around The Horn)). so it would help me if you could explain your comments in more detail. I have one quick question for you guys, How often should I have the Nak decks maintained and calibrated? I do make sure that each machine gets an hours use each 14 days. As you must know, we have B&W in England and they are relatively near to me. I believe they have a fine reputation in the group, great work and speedy service? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 13 March 2006 10:28 To: naktalk at naks.com; henry at privatemail.me.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, Please accept my condolences on the loss of your father, Colin. Of course, we knew him. In fact, he was to have visitied South Africa last year...... This is sad indeed. Warm welcome to the group and hope to get many posts from you on your taping and archiving projects. Kindest regards, Marc Hugo >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 12:43 PM >>> Hi, I have been following "Naktalk" for around 4 months now and have finally decided to sign up. A little about my history: I live in the wilds of England's East coast thankfully near to London! Last Eastertide my father died (he was a member, "colin4014" I believe?) and I inherited half of his hi-fi gear including 19 of his beloved "Nakamichi" tape decks, a number of R to R decks, some top line amps - speakers - turntables etc. Also the contents of a 24ft X 6ft storage cupboard containing a huge record and tape collection taking up half the space, the rest being crammed with blank media and spare parts. I sat and looked at all this for six months wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfully I didn't! and as winter came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last DR10s, including all the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with say the Dragon or CR7! Thank you all Henry The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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That said, most 120s weren't made for real high fidelity stuff-- between the fragility, inability to get as hefty an oxide coating (this is something I'm guessing on, so I could be wrong here), and greater susceptibility to print-through, I would largely use the to archive something (in multiple copies) if spoken word or something that didn't have a lot of demands. I recall that in the 80s, Maxell (and probably the equivalent for TDK) made 120s in the middle-grade ferric tapes, but not their high-end ferrics, nor their chrome tapes. 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I am quite suprised by a Nak reel to reel tapedeck you mentioned in your post, I have never seen one! I did not know Nak made reel to reel, can you kindly post a pic of it, this will be much appreciated! by me and others here. Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 14 06:04:15 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:04:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. Message-ID: Hi Henry! I never acquired any 120 lengthy cassette in my life, as is written on every Nak owner manual...NOT to use it, buy to my knowledge...IF...IF.. you will clean the "Transport" section in ALL your decks extremely well, & of course degausse the heads and all the capstan, pinch rollers...etc...each 10 playback/recorded cassettes...I hope that will be NO problem at all...the reason that Nak prohibid to use such "Thin Layer" tape...is because is so THIN...that can make trouble inside the deck if something is NOT 100% alignned...or worn rubber pinch toller...etc....! Don't forget...Henry...the decks each years get older & older...& replacement parts are each year much more scarce. Whatever...as you live near B & W repair center...if something will happen...there will be repair extremelly well done! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Henry" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:28:50 -0000 > >Hi! to you all, > I must first thank you all for your kind remarks of my dad, he was >"special! and deeply missed. Marc he did visit RSA last springtime, and >this is where he died at the end of his trip, he lies in a family plot, >Near Durban. His family roots were there and I know that is where he was >to >retire, he also had a house there you know. He was a serious Nak collector >and even on this visit he "acquired" a Nak reel to reel deck via an ols >friend ( its now resting in my garage waiting for some TLC) and yet another >record collection!! To Alex, your comments on the 1970s 120 min BASF >chromdioxide cassettes - the very first 10 tapes in my fathers collection >are these tapes, recorded with 70s radio programmes. They have been well >played still sound great and are all in excellent condition (indeed I am >listening to one now (Around The Horn)). so it would help me if you could >explain your comments in more detail. > >I have one quick question for you guys, How often should I have the Nak >decks maintained and calibrated? I do make sure that each machine gets an >hours use each 14 days. As you must know, we have B&W in England and they >are relatively near to me. I believe they have a fine reputation in the >group, great work and speedy service? > >Henry > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] >Sent: 13 March 2006 10:28 >To: naktalk at naks.com; henry at privatemail.me.uk >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New to list. > > >Hi Henry, > >Please accept my condolences on the loss of your father, Colin. Of course, >we knew him. In fact, he was to have visitied South Africa last year...... >This is sad indeed. Warm welcome to the group and hope to get many posts >from you on your taping and archiving projects. > >Kindest regards, > >Marc Hugo > > >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 12:43 PM >>> >Hi, I have been following "Naktalk" for around 4 months now and have >finally decided to sign up. A little about my history: I live in the >wilds of England's East coast thankfully near to London! Last Eastertide >my >father died (he was a member, "colin4014" I believe?) and I inherited half >of his hi-fi gear including 19 of his beloved "Nakamichi" tape decks, a >number of R to R decks, some top line amps - speakers - turntables etc. >Also the contents of a 24ft X 6ft storage cupboard containing a huge record >and tape collection taking up half the space, the rest being crammed with >blank media and spare parts. I sat and looked at all this for six months >wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had >any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfully I didn't! and as >winter >came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon >realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now >totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record >collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette >tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration >and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from >reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at >this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). >For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last >DR10s, including all the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I >use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to >get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with >say the Dragon or CR7! > >Thank you all Henry > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or >more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use >of >the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, >disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in >reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by >replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your >computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are >present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or >damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Mar 14 06:09:23 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:09:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* Message-ID: Hi Kimo! As I already reply to Henry, I NEVER acquired in my entirely life 120 or longer lengthy cassette, the maximum is 100 minutes TDK & Maxell ones...which till today NO problem at all with those "Premium" grade tape/shell cassettes. Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kimo B. Yap" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:04:19 -0800 > > > These don't try on any Nak deck...please, are old, and 120 minutes > > (Read the > > second, page on any Nak Instructions manual), it's really NOT > > recommended... > >I wouldn't be quite so paranoid about old C-120s. As Bala (and >perhaps others) has/have pointed out. >even the C-90s of today are a lot thinner than C-90s of 20 years ago. >And C-110s? Are they really that >much better than 120s? > >That said, most 120s weren't made for real high fidelity stuff-- >between the fragility, inability to get as hefty >an oxide coating (this is something I'm guessing on, so I could be >wrong here), and greater susceptibility to >print-through, I would largely use the to archive something (in >multiple copies) if spoken word or something that didn't >have a lot of demands. > >I recall that in the 80s, Maxell (and probably the equivalent for >TDK) made 120s in the middle-grade >ferric tapes, but not their high-end ferrics, nor their chrome tapes. > >TDK actually made D-180s back then too--they aren't specifically >mentioned in the Nak manuals, >so does that mean they're OK :-)?-kby > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From henry at privatemail.me.uk Tue Mar 14 08:40:51 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:40:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* In-Reply-To: <518b7b10603130915q44536776p14775eaa91890572@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi George thanks for the information, Those particular TDK SA-X are indeed still in the five multi-packs, I am more interested in the other part of the code as I think if it can be translated it would indicate country of origin or year of manufacture! Examples of the coding is as follows: SA90EBSE. - SA90ET. - SF 90EA. - SA90EB. - MA90SE. - SA-X90ET. - D90EB. The currently available new stocks in the UK all seem to carry the code EB ( EB appears on the outer single wrapping and EB60 on the cardboard cartons of 60 cassettes) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: 13 March 2006 17:15 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1982*It was a very good year* Henry, I'm almost sure this means that these cassettes were originally sold in multi-packs of 5. Rgds George > >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 3:08 PM >>> > > Do any of you know how to translate the TDK coding i.e. ET5 on the SA_Xs > > Henry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Mar 14 14:05:21 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:05:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak reel to reel tape deck In-Reply-To: <250.806f56f.31479c66@aol.com> References: <250.806f56f.31479c66@aol.com> Message-ID: <4416BF91.2080004@rcn.com> BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Henry! I am quite suprised by a Nak reel to reel tapedeck you > mentioned in your post, I have never seen one! I did not know Nak made > reel to reel, can you kindly post a pic of it, this will be > much appreciated! by me and others here. Thanks! > > Ali A long time ago, this r-t-r deck came up for discussion here. Someone posted a Japanese Nakamichi site that had a picture of the machine plus some specs (mostly, in Japanese). I am not sure any of this is in the archives, but you can search, and/or do a Google for Nak sites in Japanese. -- Ron From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Mar 14 15:35:47 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:35:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nak reel to reel tape deck In-Reply-To: <4416BF91.2080004@rcn.com> References: <250.806f56f.31479c66@aol.com> <4416BF91.2080004@rcn.com> Message-ID: <12852.212.78.164.66.1142346947.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> That must have been the decks made under the FIDELA brand even before they used the Nakamichi brand... Fidela 11 Fidela 22 Fidela 33 Fidela 55 Fidela 77 Fidela 77D Fidela 300D Fidela 300DS Fidela 720 Fidela 780 Fidela 807 Fidela 807 Gem Sonic Fidela 860 Fidela 920 Fidela 960 Wouter > BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: >> Hi Henry! I am quite suprised by a Nak reel to reel tapedeck you >> mentioned in your post, I have never seen one! I did not know Nak made >> reel to reel, can you kindly post a pic of it, this will be >> much appreciated! by me and others here. Thanks! >> >> Ali > > A long time ago, this r-t-r deck came up for discussion > here. Someone posted a Japanese Nakamichi site that had > a picture of the machine plus some specs (mostly, in > Japanese). > > I am not sure any of this is in the archives, but you > can search, and/or do a Google for Nak sites in Japanese. > > -- Ron From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Tue Mar 14 16:34:01 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:34:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak reel to reel tape deck In-Reply-To: <250.806f56f.31479c66@aol.com> References: <250.806f56f.31479c66@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060314102607.03572478@pop.videotron.ca> At 23:11 03/13/2006, you wrote: >Hi Henry! I am quite suprised by a Nak reel to reel tapedeck you >mentioned in your post, I have never seen one! I did not know Nak >made reel to reel, can you kindly post a pic of it, this will be >much appreciated! by me and others here. Thanks! > >Ali The KLH 41 was an open-reel deck made by Nakamichi. Nakamichi never produced an open-reel deck bearing the Nakamichi brand name. From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Mar 14 16:49:52 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:49:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] JVC Deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060314104647.01bea618@psulias.psu.edu> JVC has a current deck that sounds quite interesting, especially at under $200 at several places. Dual deck, both decks have 3 motors, recording deck has dual capistans, B/C/HX Pro, computer level and bias tuning. S/N 78db, WF .08, Type II FR is 20-16K (30-15K, +- 3db). Certainly not a Nak, but seems like a decent product for this day and age. Any one have any experience with these? http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL007020&pathId=6&page=2 From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Mar 14 17:00:04 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:00:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thoughts on 481z re the 482: Ian in Scotland Message-ID: Hi Ian, as far as a recall, you're right * 482 had the monitor capacity over the 481 and 481Z, and would have the VU meters instead of fluorescent peak indicators. All well here in SA * and glad your Nak continues to provide big returns for you and your wife!!! Actually, when I think about it * while your wife's generous Christmas gift to you was great, her sharing of your aural experiences is even more important!! Like good wine * sharing the moment makes it so much better. Go well, Marc >>> earthrite at gn.apc.org 3/8/2006 1:17:48 PM >>> >From: Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) >Subject:Nakamichi 482 > >Have a chance to pick one up cheaply- $75 "needs cleaning". Any >thoughts on this deck? hi Thomas I chuckle when I say i paid £6 for my 481z and then paid £200 to have it serviced by B & W in Britain. My approach to ebay nakaamichis at that time was buy it cheap and pay for the servicing and get a pukka end product. So needs cleaning is a useful metaphor for a seller .... it covers all sorts of issues, gears, wheels, cams, belts would all be fine if only you cleaned them....... which to me means a full service. I was happy to pay for the proper service, Im glad I didnt pay $75 and then have to pay $355 (UK rates) as well. However sonically and pleasure wise the 481z deck is simply wonderful ...... I cant recall what the 482 has ... is a real 3rd head there and better ie more leds....... well in that case it will be a more useful deck than mine which has a 3rd head but no monitor circuits ...... curious but there you are. In good order I say such a deck provides a deep access to analogue pleasures. Old tapes from 1970 provide far greater info than one would have believed was ever captured on tape in the first place.Occassionally those who know in this forum say the early NAK machines sound like ace vinyl players ... but the later ones sought to reproduce the cd sound then becoming ascendant. Well if thats true and you like a deep analogue sound and the 482 is an improved 481z then you will be in for a whole host of musical treats. It has slightly put me off cd's ...... however I dont really have an optimal cd player/amp combo as it all leans to analogue. Needless to say one assumes spending ones cash on a better machine from the same era of Naks will give this deep analogue groove but if 'cleaned via a service' you will not regret the investment. I have hardly played a CD since getting mine back from B & W just in time for Christmass when my wife paid the bill as a Christmass present for me. She likes the irremovable grin on my face I was promised by Marc 'down' in South Africa. ( thanks Marc hope all is well for you) She was motivated to pay the bill after listening to some old tapes i put on the 481z after the ebay purchase but before the service and noticing the 'bless my soul I never heard that like this before' thing that happened .......it was immediately noticable to someone sitting in another room ........ which in my book of wisdom is what music and hi fi is all about. We had never had that experience before with tapes. Now we have it all the time. Which is a reason to be grateful.Hope this is of some help peace ianr scotland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From richard.miller at eds.com Tue Mar 14 17:18:57 2006 From: richard.miller at eds.com (Miller, Richard C) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:18:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion Message-ID: I am getting ready to convert some of my old (20 to 25 years old) cassette tapes to digital media and wanted to find out if anybody has some "lessons learned" they can share. Most of the tapes are TDK SA and were recorded on a mid level Sanyo. I am currently considering several different Nakamichi players to use for the conversion and wanted to find out how older tapes recorded on a player like my old Sanyo would sound on a Nakamichi. The decks that I am considering include several from the BX line (BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, BX-300, BX 2). Are any of these better suited for playing older tapes? At this point I do not have any plans for recording, just playing and converting. Before I spend several hundred hours in this project I like to find out if the results are going to be worth it. Rich Miller 248 265-9084 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Tue Mar 14 17:40:01 2006 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:40:01 EST Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion Message-ID: <26e.76ef914.31484be1@aol.com> I'm thinking of doing this myself using my CR7. The CR7 has a manual azimuth adjustment I find useful for dialing in the best sound of my old tapes. Sometimes I find that my old Marantz deck didn't do too bad of a job recording either. ;<) Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmihora at peoplepc.com Tue Mar 14 17:45:08 2006 From: bmihora at peoplepc.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:45:08 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] 600 Auto-shutoff activates too early - help Message-ID: <12886256.1142354708954.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Looking for suggestions on the most common root cause. My 600 tends to stop in play and/or record about 3/4ths into a tape. Seems to be more prone to do this when warm. The service manual says: 1)Defective Auto Shutoff Detector 2)Defective Auto-Shutoff Driver 3)Defective Solenoid Driver 4)Defective Counter 5)Defective Counter Belt Would appreciate advice on the most common root cause and solution. --Bob ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com From henry at privatemail.me.uk Tue Mar 14 19:17:57 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:17:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: <20060313225917.35705.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you Bala, I didn't realise the Nak r to r deck would create so much interest! Its been sitting crated in my garage under a pile of other boxes waiting to be sorted, There is so much to be opened and found a home for, I am only half way thru the pile and my dining room has turned into a music room and a bedroom into a storage space full of tapes, cassettes, records and spare parts! My wife is giving me the "evil eye" now, so I don't know how much more I will be able to bring into the house! (dads house was built around his collection!). I mentioned my dad was a collector? that is an understatement! he collected ANYTHING that made music! including a player piano, a showman's organ and a Christie theatre organ! the two organs have been donated to preservation societies as I cant possibly house them. I have not seen the Nak r to r myself, but now there is so much interest we will pull it out and open the box! I do know it is in very bad condition and was brought as a curiosity. I will get some pictures on my website soon. Until a few months ago a Nakamichi was a rather pretty tin box! to me (as was a Linn or Revox). now I am beginning to realise what I have I am looking at them differently. I will do all I can to keep them working, although not myself! I must state, I could not change a house fuse without blacking out the entire neighbourhood! I must admit though, my favourite recorder is a Revox B77 reel to reel! I think its because it looks so masculine and powerful when it is working! admittedly I cant hear that much difference between it and the ZX7 I am currently using? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: 13 March 2006 22:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, My condolences. He's not just left you a collection, but a legacy. A Nak reel to reel! Please try to get a snap of it! There are many anxious members waiting to get a glimps of one. (Does it have the Nakamichi logo on it? Hmm..). B and W are a fine source and have a very great reputation. They are one of the last few established sources that work on Nak equipment. Now the thing is with frequent use, Nak's dont need very frequent maintainence. The usual head care and demag. I usually gives my machine a yearly once-over. Checking that the belts and pinch rollers are ok, cleaning the pots and switches with De-Oxit, checking that the machine measures up to spec and adjustments if necessary. A big welcome to the family! Regards Bala Ganesh 79La! bs Henry wrote: Hi! to you all, I must first thank you all for your kind remarks of my dad, he was "special! and deeply missed. Marc he did visit RSA last springtime, and this is where he died at the end of his trip, he lies in a family plot, Near Durban. His family roots were there and I know that is where he was to retire, he also had a house there you know. He was a serious Nak collector and even on this visit he "acquired" a Nak reel to reel deck via an ols friend ( its now resting in my garage waiting for some TLC) and yet another record collection!! To Alex, your comments on the 1970s 120 min BASF chromdioxide cassettes - the very first 10 tapes in my fathers collection are these tapes, recorded with 70s radio programmes. They have been well played still s! ound great and are all in excellent condition (indeed I am listening to one now (Around The Horn)). so it would help me if you could explain your comments in more detail. I have one quick question for you guys, How often should I have the Nak decks maintained and calibrated? I do make sure that each machine gets an hours use each 14 days. As you must know, we have B&W in England and they are relatively near to me. I believe they have a fine reputation in the group, great work and speedy service? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 13 March 2006 10:28 To: naktalk at naks.com; henry at privatemail.me.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, Please accept my condolences on the loss of your father, Colin. Of course, we knew him. In fact, he was to have visitied South Africa last year...... This is sad indeed. Warm welcome to the group and hope to get many posts from you on your taping and archiving projects. Kindest regards, Marc Hugo >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 12:43 PM >>> Hi, I have been following "Naktalk" for around 4 months now and have finally decided to sign up. A little about my history: I live in the wilds of England's East coast thankfully near to London! Last Eastertide my father died (he was a member, "colin4014" I believe?) and I inherited half of his hi-fi gear including 19 of his beloved "Nakamichi" tape decks, a number of R to R decks, some top line amps - speakers - turntables etc. Also the contents of a 24ft X 6ft storage cupboard containing a huge record and tape collection taking up half the space, the rest being crammed with blank media and spare parts. I sat and looked at all this for six months wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfull! y I didn't! and as winter came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last DR10s, including all the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with say the Dragon or CR7! 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URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Mar 14 22:00:33 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:00:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] JVC Deck In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060314104647.01bea618@psulias.psu.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060314104647.01bea618@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:49:52 -0600, Derrick Beckner wrote: Hi,This is a great JVC deck.I just missed one on e-bay that went cheap, although the description was iffy.The best parts about this deck are 1)available IRC 2) Computer recording calibration-i thought this was like a poor mans NAk Dragon NAAC 3) pitch control for transcription.4)last but not least,is the sound on sound feature for singing along with your favourite music, or recording a duet with yourself.Yea a great deck for less than 200.00.I am currently on the prwol for a nice vintage JVC on e-bay i have been wanting for a very long while.I am crouched intently ,watching , and ready to spring at just the right moment and seize this thing by the throat..er , well, just seize this thing .anyway...wish me well! > JVC has a current deck that sounds quite interesting, especially at > under $200 at several places. Dual deck, both decks have 3 motors, > recording deck has dual capistans, B/C/HX Pro, computer level and bias > tuning. S/N 78db, WF .08, Type II FR is 20-16K (30-15K, +- 3db). > Certainly not a Nak, but seems like a decent product for this day and > age. > Any one have any experience with these? > > > http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL007020&pathId=6&page=2 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Mar 14 19:56:10 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:56:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Auto-shutoff activates too early - help In-Reply-To: <12886256.1142354708954.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12886256.1142354708954.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <441711CA.8040405@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bob, Bob wrote: > Looking for suggestions on the most common root cause. My 600 tends to stop in play and/or record about 3/4ths into a tape. Seems to be more prone to do this when warm. The service manual says: > 1)Defective Auto Shutoff Detector > 2)Defective Auto-Shutoff Driver > 3)Defective Solenoid Driver > 4)Defective Counter > 5)Defective Counter Belt > Would appreciate advice on the most common root cause and solution. > --Bob Well, generally, belts and all rubber surfaces (idlers, &c.) are the components most likely to fail, especially in a recorder of this age. I'd replace all the recorder's belts, because of its age, regardless. Your statement that the deck stops after 3/4 of tape play makes me think that the main belt is too worn. Also check the take-up spool torque ad hold back (supply spool) tension. The rubber surfaces on the take up and supply spools may be glazed. Inadequate takeup torque or excessive supply (hold back) tension can cause the fault you're experiencing. Another possible cause is inadequate capstan pinch roller pressure. I'd check that the pinch roller isn't glazed or hardened, that it rotates freely and that it exerts enough pressure on the tape when engaged in play or record. Finally, after you've checked those possibilities, the fact that you state the deck has a problem when warm could be an intermittlely faulty or marginal-quility transistor, capacitor or resistor. You can verify this by carefully exposing the shutoff circuit to component chiller spray when the fault occurs. If the fault clears for a few seconds, then you need to check each of the electronic components in the tape shutoff circuit. Hope this helps! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From rob at rhoag.com Tue Mar 14 19:47:16 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:47:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Old cassette tape conversionHi, Richard: Since you originally recorded them on a Sanyo, any of the 2 head Naks will work fine for play back, but if I were doing it, I would take a few of the TDK original tapes to a shop and have them tweek the Nak so that the play back is optimized for them, and have them check the deck for speed acuracy, wow & flutter, Dolby tracking (to match your tapes), etc. That way you will be playing them back at the highest quality you can get from the originals. If you want to spend a lot, you can get the Dragon that will optimize it's playback head to the tape, but you still might have problems with differences in Dolby, etc. I've been slowley transfeering my several hundred cassette collection over to digital myself using a LX-5 and ZX7. Most of my tapes from the 80's were also on TDKSA and most were recorded with a ZX7. I'm getting excellent results using ten foot RCA cords connected to the input of my Audigy2 zs and recording the tapes to wav format in the computer.. main concern with digital recording is not to let the loudest passages go into the red or you will get distortion, there is very little overhead with digital. Once you get that done you have all sorts of options and the ease of creating collections of music and burning them to music CD or ripping them to mp3 files is fast and a lot of fun. There are a lot of instruction files on the web if you do a search that take you step by step through a recording process for the optimum results, you should study these first. Some here will tell you that you need external sound cards, etc., but unless you are recording live music, I think this is overkill and more expensive. I've had no noise increase by using my computer sound card. I also use ProGold treatment on all my connections along with the best quality RCA jacks. Doane ------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Miller, Richard C Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:19 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion I am getting ready to convert some of my old (20 to 25 years old) cassette tapes to digital media and wanted to find out if anybody has some "lessons learned" they can share. Most of the tapes are TDK SA and were recorded on a mid level Sanyo. I am currently considering several different Nakamichi players to use for the conversion and wanted to find out how older tapes recorded on a player like my old Sanyo would sound on a Nakamichi. The decks that I am considering include several from the BX line (BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, BX-300, BX 2). Are any of these better suited for playing older tapes? At this point I do not have any plans for recording, just playing and converting. Before I spend several hundred hours in this project I like to find out if the results are going to be worth it. Rich Miller 248 265-9084 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gvgeoffward at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 22:24:40 2006 From: gvgeoffward at yahoo.com (Geoff Ward) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:24:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] JVC Deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060314212440.33527.qmail@web42405.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I have a JVC deck similar to the one you describe in need of repair. You can have it for the cost of shipping if your interested. The play only side has the motor disconnected because the capstan bearing failed (squeeks constantly) and the record / play side works fine except for a constant ticking sound. I think it's suffering from near bearing failure as well. Don't remember the model number exactly but it has computer calibration, the mic mixing etc. Was an OK deck - the sound very much lacking in bottom end and high frequency clarity. Have a CR1A now that I use. Cheers, Geoff jerryjg wrote: On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:49:52 -0600, Derrick Beckner wrote: Hi,This is a great JVC deck.I just missed one on e-bay that went cheap, although the description was iffy.The best parts about this deck are 1)available IRC 2) Computer recording calibration-i thought this was like a poor mans NAk Dragon NAAC 3) pitch control for transcription.4)last but not least,is the sound on sound feature for singing along with your favourite music, or recording a duet with yourself.Yea a great deck for less than 200.00.I am currently on the prwol for a nice vintage JVC on e-bay i have been wanting for a very long while.I am crouched intently ,watching , and ready to spring at just the right moment and seize this thing by the throat..er , well, just seize this thing .anyway...wish me well! > JVC has a current deck that sounds quite interesting, especially at > under $200 at several places. Dual deck, both decks have 3 motors, > recording deck has dual capistans, B/C/HX Pro, computer level and bias > tuning. S/N 78db, WF .08, Type II FR is 20-16K (30-15K, +- 3db). > Certainly not a Nak, but seems like a decent product for this day and > age. > Any one have any experience with these? > > > http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL007020&pathId=6&page=2 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Tue Mar 14 22:25:58 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:25:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] JVC Deck In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060314104647.01bea618@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060314161650.01c93060@psulias.psu.edu> Thanks for the info. I'm tired of getting stuff over the internet (not just ebay) that shows up in non-functioning condition, so I figured I'd look into what was available new. On the down side I read a few user reviews on the unit and it's reliability sounds pretty sketchy. I think my local Circuit City has one, maybe I'll take it for a test drive. You can get this JVC deck at overstock.com for $140 I think. Unfortunately the Onkyo TA-2090 beast I got has, to me, an unresolvable noise in the recording process. It plays great (cleaned and serviced), and it does record fine, there is just noise somewhere in the circut. The insides of this thing make a Dragon look like a toy. It is for sale, real cheap if anyone wants it. I'd take $50 + shipping just to get rid of it. A great deal if you just want to play tapes, an absolute steal if you can get it to record. At 04:00 PM 3/14/2006, jerryjg wrote: >On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:49:52 -0600, Derrick Beckner > wrote: >Hi,This is a great JVC deck.I just missed one on e-bay that went cheap, >although the description was iffy.The best parts about this deck are >1)available IRC 2) Computer recording calibration-i thought this was like >a poor mans NAk Dragon NAAC 3) pitch control for transcription.4)last but >not least,is the sound on sound feature for singing along with your >favourite music, or recording a duet with yourself.Yea a great deck for >less than 200.00.I am currently on the prwol for a nice vintage JVC on >e-bay i have been wanting for a very long while.I am crouched intently >,watching , and ready to spring at just the right moment and seize this >thing by the throat..er , well, just seize this thing .anyway...wish me >well! >>JVC has a current deck that sounds quite interesting, especially at >>under $200 at several places. Dual deck, both decks have 3 motors, >>recording deck has dual capistans, B/C/HX Pro, computer level and bias >>tuning. S/N 78db, WF .08, Type II FR is 20-16K (30-15K, +- 3db). >>Certainly not a Nak, but seems like a decent product for this day and >>age. >>Any one have any experience with these? >> >> >>http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL007020&pathId=6&page=2 >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > >-- > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Mar 14 22:32:55 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:32:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] 600 Auto-shutoff activates too early - help In-Reply-To: <441711CA.8040405@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060314213255.29401.qmail@web86502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi This unit has a rotating magnet and reed switch shut off circuit, check that the reed switch is opening and closing by eyeballing the switch assy as you manually rotate the magnet (obviously disconnect the power cord beforehand)! If you can't see the reed switch opening and closing double check by putting a meter across it (ohms range) then rotate magnet again and if its ok then the pointer on the meter should move as you rotate!! If its ok then go with Kermit's suggestions Terry "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Bob, Bob wrote: > Looking for suggestions on the most common root cause. My 600 tends to stop in play and/or record about 3/4ths into a tape. Seems to be more prone to do this when warm. The service manual says: > 1)Defective Auto Shutoff Detector > 2)Defective Auto-Shutoff Driver > 3)Defective Solenoid Driver > 4)Defective Counter > 5)Defective Counter Belt > Would appreciate advice on the most common root cause and solution. > --Bob Well, generally, belts and all rubber surfaces (idlers, &c.) are the components most likely to fail, especially in a recorder of this age. I'd replace all the recorder's belts, because of its age, regardless. Your statement that the deck stops after 3/4 of tape play makes me think that the main belt is too worn. Also check the take-up spool torque ad hold back (supply spool) tension. The rubber surfaces on the take up and supply spools may be glazed. Inadequate takeup torque or excessive supply (hold back) tension can cause the fault you're experiencing. Another possible cause is inadequate capstan pinch roller pressure. I'd check that the pinch roller isn't glazed or hardened, that it rotates freely and that it exerts enough pressure on the tape when engaged in play or record. Finally, after you've checked those possibilities, the fact that you state the deck has a problem when warm could be an intermittlely faulty or marginal-quility transistor, capacitor or resistor. You can verify this by carefully exposing the shutoff circuit to component chiller spray when the fault occurs. If the fault clears for a few seconds, then you need to check each of the electronic components in the tape shutoff circuit. Hope this helps! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Tue Mar 14 22:39:11 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:39:11 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Auto-shutoff activates too early - help References: <12886256.1142354708954.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005f01c647af$bbc7a4f0$461798de@tec> Try adjusting the tension springs on the tape spool holders. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:45 AM Subject: [naktalk] 600 Auto-shutoff activates too early - help > Looking for suggestions on the most common root cause. My 600 tends to > stop in play and/or record about 3/4ths into a tape. Seems to be more > prone to do this when warm. The service manual says: > 1)Defective Auto Shutoff Detector > 2)Defective Auto-Shutoff Driver > 3)Defective Solenoid Driver > 4)Defective Counter > 5)Defective Counter Belt > Would appreciate advice on the most common root cause and solution. > --Bob > > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Tue Mar 14 21:11:29 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:11:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Henry, Glad to speak with you again, pleased to see that you are carrying on the tradition. Regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Henry Sent: 13 March 2006 21:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. Hi! to you all, I must first thank you all for your kind remarks of my dad, he was "special! and deeply missed. Marc he did visit RSA last springtime, and this is where he died at the end of his trip, he lies in a family plot, Near Durban. His family roots were there and I know that is where he was to retire, he also had a house there you know. He was a serious Nak collector and even on this visit he "acquired" a Nak reel to reel deck via an ols friend ( its now resting in my garage waiting for some TLC) and yet another record collection!! To Alex, your comments on the 1970s 120 min BASF chromdioxide cassettes - the very first 10 tapes in my fathers collection are these tapes, recorded with 70s radio programmes. They have been well played still sound great and are all in excellent condition (indeed I am listening to one now (Around The Horn)). so it would help me if you could explain your comments in more detail. I have one quick question for you guys, How often should I have the Nak decks maintained and calibrated? I do make sure that each machine gets an hours use each 14 days. As you must know, we have B&W in England and they are relatively near to me. I believe they have a fine reputation in the group, great work and speedy service? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 13 March 2006 10:28 To: naktalk at naks.com; henry at privatemail.me.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, Please accept my condolences on the loss of your father, Colin. Of course, we knew him. In fact, he was to have visitied South Africa last year...... This is sad indeed. Warm welcome to the group and hope to get many posts from you on your taping and archiving projects. Kindest regards, Marc Hugo >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 12:43 PM >>> Hi, I have been following "Naktalk" for around 4 months now and have finally decided to sign up. A little about my history: I live in the wilds of England's East coast thankfully near to London! Last Eastertide my father died (he was a member, "colin4014" I believe?) and I inherited half of his hi-fi gear including 19 of his beloved "Nakamichi" tape decks, a number of R to R decks, some top line amps - speakers - turntables etc. Also the contents of a 24ft X 6ft storage cupboard containing a huge record and tape collection taking up half the space, the rest being crammed with blank media and spare parts. I sat and looked at all this for six months wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfully I didn't! and as winter came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last DR10s, including all the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with say the Dragon or CR7! Thank you all Henry The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Mar 15 01:52:50 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:52:50 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! Message-ID: <1e3.4daa6bd7.3148bf62@aol.com> Hi Alex, I have to agree with you! I too have TDK SA 100 and they sound and work flawless! just like the TDK SA 60 or the C 90. Would LOVE! to have each of Nakamichi ZX, SX or EX never came about getting one and they dont make these anymore, wish there was a way to get hold of one of these , it would look NICE! in my Dragon! I read somewhere that TDK actually was the manufacturer of these tape. Maybe someone can shed some light on this! Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Mar 15 08:24:53 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:24:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion Message-ID: Howdy Rich, The first thing is, don't throw away the original tapes you recorded on your Sanyo after the analogue - digital archiving process. Why? Because they will still last longer than your CD-R/DVD-R/RW. And your hard drive. Try to get hold of a deck with palyback azimuth adjustment such as a Cassette Deck One or DR-1. This will enable you to match your Sanyo's recording more accurately. However, all the decks mentioned will sound better than when the tapes were played back on Sanyo. Cheers - Marc >>> richard.miller at eds.com 3/14/2006 6:18:57 PM >>> I am getting ready to convert some of my old (20 to 25 years old) cassette tapes to digital media and wanted to find out if anybody has some "lessons learned" they can share. Most of the tapes are TDK SA and were recorded on a mid level Sanyo. I am currently considering several different Nakamichi players to use for the conversion and wanted to find out how older tapes recorded on a player like my old Sanyo would sound on a Nakamichi. The decks that I am considering include several from the BX line (BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, BX-300, BX 2). Are any of these better suited for playing older tapes? At this point I do not have any plans for recording, just playing and converting. Before I spend several hundred hours in this project I like to find out if the results are going to be worth it. Rich Miller 248 265-9084 The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Mar 14 21:10:48 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:10:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Auto-shutoff activates too early - help In-Reply-To: <12886256.1142354708954.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12886256.1142354708954.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44172348.9040203@yahoo.ca> Check what they tell in the SM first but I can think of these: -the idler (If it's not a gear on the 600) -not enough torque from the idler -the capstan can't pull the tape / pinch roller missing tension Bob a écrit : > Looking for suggestions on the most common root cause. My 600 tends to stop in play and/or record about 3/4ths into a tape. Seems to be more prone to do this when warm. The service manual says: > 1)Defective Auto Shutoff Detector > 2)Defective Auto-Shutoff Driver > 3)Defective Solenoid Driver > 4)Defective Counter > 5)Defective Counter Belt > Would appreciate advice on the most common root cause and solution. > --Bob > From henry at privatemail.me.uk Wed Mar 15 11:47:52 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:47:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction? Message-ID: Hi, Another Question! Quite a few of the cassettes I have that were home recorded in the 1970s are marked as follows: SQ. or QS. and a few CD4?. note the question mark (?). each tape also carries a red sticker that denote the use of Dolby B. Is this telling me I need to use a Noise reduction unit to play them? if so, which one? I have a DBX unit or two, a Nakamichi Dolby NR unit, A Philips DNR unit and an Aurex ADRES unit. or can I get away with using the inbuilt Dolby ccts in the Nak cassette deck. Do I need to connect one of these NR units to a deck or amp? or will these tapes play without them? I also have Two Aiwa Exelia cassette decks with DBX but the tapes sound bad when played with DBX switched on. I cant find any reference in the instruction manuals and your help would be appreciated Thanks Henry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at privatemail.me.uk Wed Mar 15 12:16:50 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:16:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi again Doug, "carrying on the tradition" as you put it is more by accident than choice! I never thought for one minute that playing and recording music could be so complicated! So many questions!!! regards Henry -----Original Message----- From: Doug Locke [mailto:doug at whiteapple.u-net.com] Sent: 14 March 2006 20:11 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. Hello Henry, Glad to speak with you again, pleased to see that you are carrying on the tradition. Regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Henry Sent: 13 March 2006 21:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. Hi! to you all, I must first thank you all for your kind remarks of my dad, he was "special! and deeply missed. Marc he did visit RSA last springtime, and this is where he died at the end of his trip, he lies in a family plot, Near Durban. His family roots were there and I know that is where he was to retire, he also had a house there you know. He was a serious Nak collector and even on this visit he "acquired" a Nak reel to reel deck via an ols friend ( its now resting in my garage waiting for some TLC) and yet another record collection!! To Alex, your comments on the 1970s 120 min BASF chromdioxide cassettes - the very first 10 tapes in my fathers collection are these tapes, recorded with 70s radio programmes. They have been well played still sound great and are all in excellent condition (indeed I am listening to one now (Around The Horn)). so it would help me if you could explain your comments in more detail. I have one quick question for you guys, How often should I have the Nak decks maintained and calibrated? I do make sure that each machine gets an hours use each 14 days. As you must know, we have B&W in England and they are relatively near to me. I believe they have a fine reputation in the group, great work and speedy service? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 13 March 2006 10:28 To: naktalk at naks.com; henry at privatemail.me.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, Please accept my condolences on the loss of your father, Colin. Of course, we knew him. In fact, he was to have visitied South Africa last year...... This is sad indeed. Warm welcome to the group and hope to get many posts from you on your taping and archiving projects. Kindest regards, Marc Hugo >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 12:43 PM >>> Hi, I have been following "Naktalk" for around 4 months now and have finally decided to sign up. A little about my history: I live in the wilds of England's East coast thankfully near to London! Last Eastertide my father died (he was a member, "colin4014" I believe?) and I inherited half of his hi-fi gear including 19 of his beloved "Nakamichi" tape decks, a number of R to R decks, some top line amps - speakers - turntables etc. Also the contents of a 24ft X 6ft storage cupboard containing a huge record and tape collection taking up half the space, the rest being crammed with blank media and spare parts. I sat and looked at all this for six months wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfully I didn't! and as winter came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last DR10s, including all the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with say the Dragon or CR7! Thank you all Henry The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Wed Mar 15 13:47:48 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:47:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060315065817.02c90860@pop.videotron.ca> At 05:47 03/15/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Another Question! Quite a few of the cassettes I have that were >home recorded in the 1970s are marked as follows: SQ. or QS. and a >few CD4?. note the question mark (?). each tape also carries a red >sticker that denote the use of Dolby B. Is this telling me I need >to use a Noise reduction unit to play them? if so, which one? I >have a DBX unit or two, a Nakamichi Dolby NR unit, A Philips DNR >unit and an Aurex ADRES unit. or can I get away with using the >inbuilt Dolby ccts in the Nak cassette deck. Do I need to connect >one of these NR units to a deck or amp? or will these tapes play >without them? I also have Two Aiwa Exelia cassette decks with DBX >but the tapes sound bad when played with DBX switched on. I cant >find any reference in the instruction manuals and your help would be >appreciated > >Thanks Henry. Hi Henry, SQ, QS and CD4 are NOT noise reduction systems. Rather, they were competing 4-channel (aka quadraphonic) encoding systems that tried to establish themselves as a standard in the seventies. None of them was successfull. SQ and QS used matrix encoding and should provide interesting results when played back on a modern home theatre system when using Dolby Pro-Logic decoding. Certainly worth a try. CD4 will not produce any surround sound result beside any "natural" matrix information present in the mix. CD4 a discrete 4-channel system that recorded the rear channels on the vynil discusing a subcarrier at frequencies in the 20KHz-50KHz range. This information was likely lost when recorded onto cassette because of the limitations of the cassette format in terms of frequency response above 20KHz. Beside, you would still need a CD4 decoder today to hear the rear channels. So, I figure the question mark on the label means that it was a CD4 original disc but the person who recorded it onto cassette was not too sure if the tape had retained the CD4 information. You can assume it had not. You may still play these tapes in stereo and they should sound fine. "CD4" stood for "Compatible Discrete 4-channel" meaning it was a true discrtete four channel system that you could still play in two channel stereo. From memory, SQ was promoted by Columbia and Sony, QS was promoted by Sansui and CD4 was promoted by JVC. If tapes were recorded with Dolby B, they should be played back using Dolby B. Older cassette decks or outboard decoders that claim to have Dolby NR actually are Dolby B units. B and C are two types of Dolby noise reduction (NR) but when Dolby B originally came out, there was no Dolby C and manufacturers therefore just called it Dolby NR, not expecting there would be a choice in the years to come. Tapes recorded with DBX noise should be played back using DBX noise reduction. Some DBX units are intended for noise reduction while others are intended for playback enhancing by letting you increase the dynamic range. This could explain why you own more than one. DNR stands for Dynamic Noise Reduction. It can remove some hiss (and hopefully not too much music) when playing back a tape that has not been encoded with Dolby or DBX during recording. I hope this helps you understand better this alphabet soup. ;-) Regards, -Marc From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 15:00:09 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:00:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060315140010.3128.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Doane, Wouldn't a pre-amp in the middle give better results? I used the exact method you are using before. Now I have a tube pre in the middle which I feel gives the sound a bit more warmth and energy. Bala 79Labs Doane Hoag wrote: Hi, Richard: Since you originally recorded them on a Sanyo, any of the 2 head Naks will work fine for play back, but if I were doing it, I would take a few of the TDK original tapes to a shop and have them tweek the Nak so that the play back is optimized for them, and have them check the deck for speed acuracy, wow & flutter, Dolby tracking (to match your tapes), etc. That way you will be playing them back at the highest quality you can get from the originals. If you want to spend a lot, you can get the Dragon that will optimize it's playback head to the tape, but you still might have problems with differences in Dolby, etc. I've been slowley transfeering my several hundred cassette collection over to digital myself using a LX-5 and ZX7. Most of my tapes from the 80's were also on TDKSA and most were recorded with a ZX7. I'm getting excellent results using ten foot RCA cords connected to the input of my Audigy2 zs and recording the tapes to wav format in the computer.. main concern with digital recording is not to let the loudest passages go into the red or you will get distortion, there is very little overhead with digital. Once you get that done you have all sorts of options and the ease of creating collections of music and burning them to music CD or ripping them to mp3 files is fast and a lot of fun. There are a lot of instruction files on the web if you do a search that take you step by step through a recording process for the optimum results, you should study these first. Some here will tell you that you need external sound cards, etc., but unless you are recording live music, I think this is overkill and more expensive. I've had no noise increase by using my computer sound card. I also use ProGold treatment on all my connections along with the best quality RCA jacks. Doane ------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Miller, Richard C Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:19 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion I am getting ready to convert some of my old (20 to 25 years old) cassette tapes to digital media and wanted to find out if anybody has some "lessons learned" they can share. Most of the tapes are TDK SA and were recorded on a mid level Sanyo. I am currently considering several different Nakamichi players to use for the conversion and wanted to find out how older tapes recorded on a player like my old Sanyo would sound on a Nakamichi. The decks that I am considering include several from the BX line (BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, BX-300, BX 2). Are any of these better suited for playing older tapes? At this point I do not have any plans for recording, just playing and converting. Before I spend several hundred hours in this project I like to find out if the results are going to be worth it. Rich Miller 248 265-9084 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 15:20:19 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:20:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060315142019.20597.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Henry, As Wouter had suggested, it maybe a Fidela (or Magic Tone!) brand which Nakamichi was making before going into the cassette business. Or is it some rare tube reel in a Nak box ( ooh..I am getting so excited for Henry!). You will get to know since you are here, that Nakamichi wasn't just another one of those brands. Its got a very cult like following, which you don't see to other brands. But like Sansui, its got a mythical air to it. The good thing about Nakamichi is that it isn't cryptic technology that makes it sound so good. Its easy to repair and keep working and a good hi-fi repair shop should be able to help you keep them working in great shape. Now this isn't the same with some other makes. A masculin B77? Hmm..I have the PR99 which is the pro-version. It sounds very close, to serveral Naks. But the Revox is a tad little more better it terms of soundstage and spatial imaging. I am sure your Dad must have left you with good amps and speakers. Bala 79Labs Henry wrote: Thank you Bala, I didn't realise the Nak r to r deck would create so much interest! Its been sitting crated in my garage under a pile of other boxes waiting to be sorted, There is so much to be opened and found a home for, I am only half way thru the pile and my dining room has turned into a music room and a bedroom into a storage space full of tapes, cassettes, records and spare parts! My wife is giving me the "evil eye" now, so I don't know how much more I will be able to bring into the house! (dads house was built around his collection!). I mentioned my dad was a collector? that is an understatement! he collected ANYTHING that made music! including a player piano, a showman's organ and a Christie theatre organ! the two organs have been donated to preservation societies as I cant possibly house them. I have not seen the Nak r to r myself, but now there is so much interest we will pull it out and open the box! I do know it is in very bad condition and was brought as a curiosity. I will get some pictures on my website soon. Until a few months ago a Nakamichi was a rather pretty tin box! to me (as was a Linn or Revox). now I am beginning to realise what I have I am looking at them differently. I will do all I can to keep them working, although not myself! I must state, I could not change a house fuse without blacking out the entire neighbourhood! I must admit though, my favourite recorder is a Revox B77 reel to reel! I think its because it looks so masculine and powerful when it is working! admittedly I cant hear that much difference between it and the ZX7 I am currently using? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: 13 March 2006 22:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, My condolences. He's not just left you a collection, but a legacy. A Nak reel to reel! Please try to get a snap of it! There are many anxious members waiting to get a glimps of one. (Does it have the Nakamichi logo on it? Hmm..). B and W are a fine source and have a very great reputation. They are one of the last few established sources that work on Nak equipment. Now the thing is with frequent use, Nak's dont need very frequent maintainence. The usual head care and demag. I usually gives my machine a yearly once-over. Checking that the belts and pinch rollers are ok, cleaning the pots and switches with De-Oxit, checking that the machine measures up to spec and adjustments if necessary. A big welcome to the family! Regards Bala Ganesh 79La! bs Henry wrote: Hi! to you all, I must first thank you all for your kind remarks of my dad, he was "special! and deeply missed. Marc he did visit RSA last springtime, and this is where he died at the end of his trip, he lies in a family plot, Near Durban. His family roots were there and I know that is where he was to retire, he also had a house there you know. He was a serious Nak collector and even on this visit he "acquired" a Nak reel to reel deck via an ols friend ( its now resting in my garage waiting for some TLC) and yet another record collection!! To Alex, your comments on the 1970s 120 min BASF chromdioxide cassettes - the very first 10 tapes in my fathers collection are these tapes, recorded with 70s radio programmes. They have been well played still s! ound great and are all in excellent condition (indeed I am listening to one now (Around The Horn)). so it would help me if you could explain your comments in more detail. I have one quick question for you guys, How often should I have the Nak decks maintained and calibrated? I do make sure that each machine gets an hours use each 14 days. As you must know, we have B&W in England and they are relatively near to me. I believe they have a fine reputation in the group, great work and speedy service? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 13 March 2006 10:28 To: naktalk at naks.com; henry at privatemail.me.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, Please accept my condolences on the loss of your father, Colin. Of course, we knew him. In fact, he was to have visitied South Africa last year...... This is sad indeed. Warm welcome to the group and hope to get many posts from you on your taping and archiving projects. Kindest regards, Marc Hugo >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 12:43 PM >>> Hi, I have been following "Naktalk" for around 4 months now and have finally decided to sign up. A little about my history: I live in the wilds of England's East coast thankfully near to London! Last Eastertide my father died (he was a member, "colin4014" I believe?) and I inherited half of his hi-fi gear including 19 of his beloved "Nakamichi" tape decks, a number of R to R decks, some top line amps - speakers - turntables etc. Also the contents of a 24ft X 6ft storage cupboard containing a huge record and tape collection taking up half the space, the rest being crammed with blank media and spare parts. I sat and looked at all this for six months wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfull! y I didn't! and as winter came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last DR10s, including all the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with say the Dragon or CR7! Thank you all Henry The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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Quite a few of the cassettes I have that were home >recorded in the 1970s are marked as follows: SQ. or QS. and a few CD4?. >note the question mark (?). each tape also carries a red sticker that denote >the use of Dolby B. Is this telling me I need to use a Noise reduction >unit to play them? if so, which one? I have a DBX unit or two, a >Nakamichi Dolby NR unit, A Philips DNR unit and an Aurex ADRES unit. or can >I get away with using the inbuilt Dolby ccts in the Nak cassette deck. Do I >need to connect one of these NR units to a deck or amp? or will these tapes >play without them? I also have Two Aiwa Exelia cassette decks with DBX but >the tapes sound bad when played with DBX switched on. I cant find any >reference in the instruction manuals and your help would be appreciated > >Thanks Henry. SQ, QS, and CD4 are quadraphonic coding schemes. Dolby and DBX are noise reduction schemes. One has nothing to do with the other. If your cassettes were recorded with Dolby B, as your labels indicate, they should be played using Dolby B, and unless your head and and electronic alignment are different from those of the machine on which they were recorded, those tapes should sound fine. DBX is an entirely different and incompatible noise reduction system, and can only ruin the sound. If you have an external Dolby B processor, try it and use it if i sounds better than the one in your cassette deck, but use only one, not both. CD4 was a discrete form of quad coding developed by RCA. Using a 40kHz signal encoded on the grooves of an LP and played with a suitable Shibata-tipped cartridge, you would get an excellent rear (2) channel sound using a CD4 decoder - for maybe ten plays, before those frequencies were worn off. Your CD4 cassettes will not have any of this information. Just consider them stereo, with the back channel audio missing entirely. SQ (Sony) and SQ (JVC) were matrixed quad schemes using out of phase signals within the audible spectrum. Stereo separation was reduced in order to provide rear channel output through compatible decoders. QS had a little better front-to-rear separation and less stereo separation. They'll both sound OK in stereo, and if you have SQ or QS decoders you will also be able to retrieve the rear channels (provided you also have a stereo amplifier and speakers for the back of the room). Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ From marc at stager.com Wed Mar 15 17:39:33 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:39:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction? Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060315113445.020b1718@stager.com> Earlier I wrote: "... CD4 was a discrete form of quad coding developed by RCA. ... SQ (Sony) and SQ (JVC) were matrixed quad schemes ..." My memory not so hot - the other Marc got it right - SQ was Sansui and CD4 was JVC, used by RCA. SQ was Sony and used by Columbia records. The matrixed vs. discrete part was correct. MS. From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed Mar 15 17:43:17 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:43:17 -0500 Subject: [SPAM *7.500] Re: [naktalk] JVC Deck In-Reply-To: <20060314212440.33527.qmail@web42405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060314212440.33527.qmail@web42405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060315100539.01aedd88@psulias.psu.edu> No thanks, probably cost more to fix than buy a new one. Appreciate the offer though. At 04:24 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >I have a JVC deck similar to the one you describe in need of repair. You >can have it for the cost of shipping if your interested. The play only >side has the motor disconnected because the capstan bearing failed >(squeeks constantly) and the record / play side works fine except for a >constant ticking sound. I think it's suffering from near bearing failure >as well. >Don't remember the model number exactly but it has computer calibration, >the mic mixing etc. Was an OK deck - the sound very much lacking in bottom >end and high frequency clarity. Have a CR1A now that I use. > >Cheers, >Geoff > >jerryjg wrote: >On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:49:52 -0600, Derrick Beckner >wrote: >Hi,This is a great JVC deck.I just missed one on e-bay that went cheap, >although the description was iffy.The ! best parts about this deck are >1)available IRC 2) Computer recording calibration-i thought this was like >a poor mans NAk Dragon NAAC 3) pitch control for transcription.4)last but >not least,is the sound on sound feature for singing along with your >favourite music, or recording a duet with yourself.Yea a great deck for >less than 200.00.I am currently on the prwol for a nice vintage JVC on >e-bay i have been wanting for a very long while.I am crouched intently >,watching , and ready to spring at just the right moment and seize this >thing by the throat..er , well, just seize this thing .anyway...wish me >well! > > JVC has a current deck that sounds quite interesting, especially at > > under $200 at several places. Dual deck, both decks have 3 motors, > > recording deck has dual capistans, B/C/HX Pro, computer level and bias > > tuning. S/N 78db, WF .08, Type II FR is 20-16K (30-15K, +- 3db). > > Certainly not a! Nak, but seems like a decent product for this day and > > age. > > Any one have any experience with these? > > > > > > http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL007020&pathId=6&page=2 > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at n! aks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Yahoo! Mail >Use >Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 15 18:25:52 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:25:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! Message-ID: Hi my dear Ali! YES...100% sure, Nak ask to TDK to relabeled their "Premium" types with such black Nak label o sticker, as EX/EX-2/SX & ZX. Were 100% the same quality as the "Premium" TDK cassettes. Lovely ones!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! >Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:52:50 EST > >Hi Alex, I have to agree with you! I too have TDK SA 100 and they sound >and work flawless! just like the TDK SA 60 or the C 90. Would LOVE! to >have >each of Nakamichi ZX, SX or EX never came about getting one and they >dont >make these anymore, wish there was a way to get hold of one of these , it >would look NICE! in my Dragon! I read somewhere that TDK actually was the >manufacturer of these tape. Maybe someone can shed some light on this! >Thanks! > >Ali >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From henry at privatemail.me.uk Wed Mar 15 19:20:35 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:20:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: <20060315142019.20597.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, I looked an found the customs declaration form, declares it as a "Nakamichi Fidela tape recorder - condition very poor / damaged to be used for spares. - Value UK £5.00" and the shipping weight was 80 lbs. I am now exited to what is actually inside the crate and my son is going to help we get at the crate later next week. As to the amps and speakers? he preferred British, I have a Quad valve set inc two tuners and a set of original Electrostatics. Also Later Quad set icl. 4 x 405-II amps that are bridged for mono, each feeding a quad ESL63 That are stacked in pairs in custom racks. The amplifiers are fed from a Quad 22 valve pre-amp Thru a "Black box" (I have no idea what this is!! except it has 2 inputs and 4 outputs, and one for a subsonic speaker that I don't use and is switched out, a remote cct must be built I because a Linn remote will control the volume). once again two tuners Another "Black box" is the only input to the "" pre-amp and this has inputs for all the other equipment, and remote ccts to control the switching. I use this set in a 20ft x 16 ft room, needed as the speakers only work there best well way-out into the room! I am no expert but to me the sound is awesome! I am learning to listen to the music - not the equipment! and when I do this playing a good disk or tape, I close my eyes and the whole orchestra is there very precisely positioned about the room (and beyond?) even behind me!! I don't know how this happens its spooky! but it takes me into another world!! I have a few turntables but am using a Linn LP12, Linn arm, cartridge, preamp and power supply, because I am paranoid about damaging the records, I had it set up by a Linn dealer from London who said it was the ultimate Linn turntable combination that he could not improve on. Surprisingly (or not?) My dad had only one Cd player and about 20 CDs, he hated them! said "those bloody silver discs gave him a headache!!" and " if we were meant to listen to noughts and ones we would have "Intel inside!" across our foreheads!". I am beginning to agree! Henry -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: 15 March 2006 14:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, As Wouter had suggested, it maybe a Fidela (or Magic Tone!) brand which Nakamichi was making before going into the cassette business. Or is it some rare tube reel in a Nak box ( ooh..I am getting so excited for Henry!). You will get to know since you are here, that Nakamichi wasn't just another one of those brands. Its got a very cult like following, which you don't see to other brands. But like Sansui, its got a mythical air to it. The good thing about Nakamichi is that it isn't cryptic technology that makes it sound so good. Its easy to repair and keep working and a good hi-fi repair shop should be able to help you keep them working in great shape. Now this isn't the same with some other makes. A masculin B77? Hmm..I have the PR99 which is the pro-version! . It sounds very close, to serveral Naks. But the Revox is a tad little more better it terms of soundstage and spatial imaging. I am sure your Dad must have left you with good amps and speakers. Bala 79Labs Henry wrote: Thank you Bala, I didn't realise the Nak r to r deck would create so much interest! Its been sitting crated in my garage under a pile of other boxes waiting to be sorted, There is so much to be opened and found a home for, I am only half way thru the pile and my dining room has turned into a music room and a bedroom into a storage space full of tapes, cassettes, records and spare par! ts! My wife is giving me the "evil eye" now, so I don't know how much more I will be able to bring into the house! (dads house was built around his collection!). I mentioned my dad was a collector? that is an understatement! he collected ANYTHING that made music! including a player piano, a showman's organ and a Christie theatre organ! the two organs have been donated to preservation societies as I cant possibly house them. I have not seen the Nak r to r myself, but now there is so much interest we will pull it out and open the box! I do know it is in very bad condition and was brought as a curiosity. I will get some pictures on my website soon. Until a few months ago a Nakamichi was a rather pretty tin box! to me (as was a Linn or Revox). now I am beginning to realise what I have I am looking at them differently. I will do all I can to keep them working, although not myself! I must state, I could not change a house fuse without blacking out the entire neighbourhood! I must admit though, my favourite recorder is a Revox B77 reel to reel! I think its because it looks so masculine and powerful when it is working! admittedly I cant hear that much difference between it and the ZX7 I am currently using? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: 13 March 2006 22:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, My condolences. He's not just left you a collection, but a legacy. A Nak reel to reel! Please try to get a snap of it! There are many anxious members waiting to get a glimps of one. (Does it have the Nakamichi logo on it? Hmm..). B and W are a fine source and have a very great reputation. They are one of the last few established sources that work on Nak equipment. Now the thing is with frequent use, Nak's dont need very frequent maintainence. The usual head care and demag. I usually gives my machine a yearly once-over. Checking that the belts and pinch rollers are ok, clea! ning the pots and switches with De-Oxit, checking that the machine measures up to spec and adjustments if necessary. A big welcome to the family! Regards Bala Ganesh 79La! bs Henry wrote: Hi! to you all, I must first thank you all for your kind remarks of my dad, he was "special! and deeply missed. Marc he did visit RSA last springtime, and this is where he died at the end of his trip, he lies in a family plot, Near Durban. His family roots were there and I know that is where he was to retire, he also had a house there you know. He was a serious Nak collector and even on this visit he "acquired" a Nak reel to reel deck via an ols friend ( its now resting in my garage waiting for so! me TLC) and yet another record collection!! To Alex, your comments on the 1970s 120 min BASF chromdioxide cassettes - the very first 10 tapes in my fathers collection are these tapes, recorded with 70s radio programmes. They have been well played still s! ound great and are all in excellent condition (indeed I am listening to one now (Around The Horn)). so it would help me if you could explain your comments in more detail. I have one quick question for you guys, How often should I have the Nak decks maintained and calibrated? I do make sure that each machine gets an hours use each 14 days. As you must know, we have B&W in England and they are relatively near to me. I believe they have a fine reputation in the group, great work and speedy service? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 13 March 2006 10:28 To: naktalk at naks.com; henry at privatemail.me.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] ! New to list. Hi Henry, Please accept my condolences on the loss of your father, Colin. Of course, we knew him. In fact, he was to have visitied South Africa last year...... This is sad indeed. Warm welcome to the group and hope to get many posts from you on your taping and archiving projects. Kindest regards, Marc Hugo >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 12:43 PM >>> Hi, I have been following "Naktalk" for around 4 months now and have finally decided to sign up. A little about my history: I live in the wilds of England's East coast thankfully near to London! Last Eastertide my father died (he was a member, "colin4014" I believe?) and I inherited half of his hi-fi gear including 19 of his beloved "Nakamichi" tape decks, a number of R to R decks, some top line amps - speakers - turntables etc. Also the contents of a 24ft X 6ft storage cupboard containing a huge record and tape collection taki! ng up half the space, the rest being crammed with blank media and spare parts. I sat and looked at all this for six months wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfull! y I didn't! and as winter came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last DR10s, including all ! the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with say the Dragon or CR7! 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URL: From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Wed Mar 15 20:27:01 2006 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:27:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1.5 Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3D1D6C6@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> I haven't seen much on here about the Nak 1.5 deck; I assume that means it is not held in as high regard as many of the older decks. Is it worth picking one up for $65 instead of repairing my LX-3, or buying an LX-5 (as I have been trying to do). Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc hugo Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion Howdy Rich, The first thing is, don't throw away the original tapes you recorded on your Sanyo after the analogue - digital archiving process. Why? Because they will still last longer than your CD-R/DVD-R/RW. And your hard drive. Try to get hold of a deck with palyback azimuth adjustment such as a Cassette Deck One or DR-1. This will enable you to match your Sanyo's recording more accurately. However, all the decks mentioned will sound better than when the tapes were played back on Sanyo. Cheers - Marc >>> richard.miller at eds.com 3/14/2006 6:18:57 PM >>> I am getting ready to convert some of my old (20 to 25 years old) cassette tapes to digital media and wanted to find out if anybody has some "lessons learned" they can share. Most of the tapes are TDK SA and were recorded on a mid level Sanyo. I am currently considering several different Nakamichi players to use for the conversion and wanted to find out how older tapes recorded on a player like my old Sanyo would sound on a Nakamichi. The decks that I am considering include several from the BX line (BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, BX-300, BX 2). Are any of these better suited for playing older tapes? At this point I do not have any plans for recording, just playing and converting. Before I spend several hundred hours in this project I like to find out if the results are going to be worth it. Rich Miller 248 265-9084 The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Wed Mar 15 20:35:25 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:35:25 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! References: Message-ID: <005901c64867$9c2c5420$7f4b98de@tec> There used to be a story that Nakamichi labelled the top 10% by test of TDK's tape: TDK AD = Nakamichi EX TDK SA = Nakamichi SX Whether that is actually true is anyone's guess. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:25 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! > Hi my dear Ali! > > YES...100% sure, Nak ask to TDK to relabeled their "Premium" types with > such black Nak label o sticker, as EX/EX-2/SX & ZX. Were 100% the same > quality as the "Premium" TDK cassettes. > > Lovely ones!!! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! >>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:52:50 EST >> >>Hi Alex, I have to agree with you! I too have TDK SA 100 and they >>sound >>and work flawless! just like the TDK SA 60 or the C 90. Would LOVE! to >>have >>each of Nakamichi ZX, SX or EX never came about getting one and they >>dont >>make these anymore, wish there was a way to get hold of one of these , it >>would look NICE! in my Dragon! I read somewhere that TDK actually was >>the >>manufacturer of these tape. Maybe someone can shed some light on this! >>Thanks! >> >>Ali > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Mar 15 20:59:59 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:59:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction? Message-ID: I think even within dbx noise redu" there are/were different curves and parameters used to do the compansion technology. Unfortunately, you have to play back a tape encoded, for, say dbx I, with a dbx I decoder, not a dbx II decoder. I believe dbx II was the most common consumer system in the 70s, and dbx III for "dynamic expansion". Hopefully they'll sound awful enough on the wrong one that you might be able to figure out what is needed based on what you have. Try playing it back without any noise reduction to get an idea how "wrong" sounds.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Mar 15 21:04:15 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:04:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. Message-ID: <5DAD9D01-4FB9-4642-92E0-025701C5867B@alumni.caltech.edu> Regarding the condition being poor on the customs document, I might or might not put too much faith in that description. Although it's probably not great, I'm sure for customs declarations you want to declare it in as bad shape as possible...-kby From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Mar 15 21:45:48 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:45:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44187CFC.2070803@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Henry, Henry wrote: > I am no > expert but to me the sound is awesome! You don't HAVE to be an expert to recognize great sound! You just have to have ears and be able to tell the difference between live music and recorded music. You're right, the sound is awesome. > I am learning to listen to the > music - not the equipment! An accomplishment many self-elected experts haven't mastered. > and when I do this playing a good disk or > tape, I close my eyes and the whole orchestra is there very precisely > positioned about the room (and beyond?) even behind me!! I don't know > how this happens its spooky! but it takes me into another world!! Right on! Oh yeah! The experience you describe is like a drug for me. Cannot get enough of it! This is why I'm divesting myelf of my digital recording gear as soon as I have another analog multitrack, even if it's only four channels. Should never have sold my Studer A80 24-track. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Ok, so I got fast-talked by a digital salesman. He forgot to mention the digital gear has first-rate specs but second-rate sound. > I > have a few turntables but am using a Linn LP12, Linn arm, cartridge, > preamp and power supply, because I am paranoid about damaging the > records, I had it set up by a Linn dealer from London who said it was > the ultimate Linn turntable combination that he could not improve on. > Surprisingly (or not?) This is THE definitive LP rig against which all others are compared. It will give you years of musical bliss! > My dad had only one Cd player and about 20 CDs, > he hated them! said "those bloody silver discs gave him a headache!!" > and " if we were meant to listen to noughts and ones we would have > "Intel inside!" across our foreheads!". I am beginning to agree! I'm laughing aloud with delight! Oh, your dad is wiser than most! I have to remember this! THAT sums it up perfectly. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Mar 15 21:49:24 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:49:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion In-Reply-To: <20060315140010.3128.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060315140010.3128.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44187DD4.50003@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Wouldn't a pre-amp in the middle give better results? I used the > exact method you are using before. Now I have a tube pre in the middle > which I feel gives the sound a bit more warmth and energy. Don't tell anyone...this is an old studio trick. You can use the pleasant-sounding nonlinearities of a tube amplifier to replace the unpleasant nonlinearities of solid state or (later on) digital equipment, enhancing the sound in the process. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From ereidinger at foresightcorp.com Wed Mar 15 21:59:20 2006 From: ereidinger at foresightcorp.com (Eric Reidinger) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:59:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1.5 Message-ID: <1B0780365090C2428D4382AB9D46C6770146AB32@fs-xch.foresightcorp.com> Hello - I can't speak to the Nak 1.5 decks - I own several Naks myself, however regarding creating digital archives or conversions are fairly tricky. It is better now with Cakewalk and Sonar software than it used to be. When I played around with it, I used a DBX expander to boost the ranges to suite the media. In the old days they would just record a master to CD without remastering it and it sounded tinny or thin in the highs and the bottom wasn't there. After enough time and complaints they moved to remastering where they boosted all the Frequency's to match the increased dynamic range of the CD. I have also read that unless it a CD pressed not burned (recorded) the CD/DVD will degrade faster than the analogue sources. Unless the tapes are special and not commercially available on CD/DVD I wouldn't bother. just my $.02 Eric Reidinger Account Executive Foresight Corporation 4950 Blazer Parkway Dublin, OH 43017 614.526.4330 (D) 614.205.8387 (M) 614.791.1609 (F) ereidinger at foresightcorp.com www.foresightcorp.com -----Original Message----- From: Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) [mailto:Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:27 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1.5 I haven't seen much on here about the Nak 1.5 deck; I assume that means it is not held in as high regard as many of the older decks. Is it worth picking one up for $65 instead of repairing my LX-3, or buying an LX-5 (as I have been trying to do). Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc hugo Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion Howdy Rich, The first thing is, don't throw away the original tapes you recorded on your Sanyo after the analogue - digital archiving process. Why? Because they will still last longer than your CD-R/DVD-R/RW. And your hard drive. Try to get hold of a deck with palyback azimuth adjustment such as a Cassette Deck One or DR-1. This will enable you to match your Sanyo's recording more accurately. However, all the decks mentioned will sound better than when the tapes were played back on Sanyo. Cheers - Marc >>> richard.miller at eds.com 3/14/2006 6:18:57 PM >>> I am getting ready to convert some of my old (20 to 25 years old) cassette tapes to digital media and wanted to find out if anybody has some "lessons learned" they can share. Most of the tapes are TDK SA and were recorded on a mid level Sanyo. I am currently considering several different Nakamichi players to use for the conversion and wanted to find out how older tapes recorded on a player like my old Sanyo would sound on a Nakamichi. The decks that I am considering include several from the BX line (BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, BX-300, BX 2). Are any of these better suited for playing older tapes? At this point I do not have any plans for recording, just playing and converting. Before I spend several hundred hours in this project I like to find out if the results are going to be worth it. Rich Miller 248 265-9084 The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 22:02:23 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:02:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1.5 In-Reply-To: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3D1D6C6@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Message-ID: <20060315210223.11173.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a Cassette Deck 1.5 - it is Cassette Deck 1 without the azimuth adjust. It plays extremely nice definitely worth 65$ unless you want to spend a bit more for a LX5. I would place LX 5 as worthwhile investment and it should work for next 10 years without an issue unlike any Sankyo transport machines. Kannan "Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)" wrote: I haven't seen much on here about the Nak 1.5 deck; I assume that means it is not held in as high regard as many of the older decks. Is it worth picking one up for $65 instead of repairing my LX-3, or buying an LX-5 (as I have been trying to do). Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc hugo Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion Howdy Rich, The first thing is, don't throw away the original tapes you recorded on your Sanyo after the analogue - digital archiving process. Why? Because they will still last longer than your CD-R/DVD-R/RW. And your hard drive. Try to get hold of a deck with palyback azimuth adjustment such as a Cassette Deck One or DR-1. This will enable you to match your Sanyo's recording more accurately. However, all the decks mentioned will sound better than when the tapes were played back on Sanyo. Cheers - Marc >>> richard.miller at eds.com 3/14/2006 6:18:57 PM >>> I am getting ready to convert some of my old (20 to 25 years old) cassette tapes to digital media and wanted to find out if anybody has some "lessons learned" they can share. Most of the tapes are TDK SA and were recorded on a mid level Sanyo. I am currently considering several different Nakamichi players to use for the conversion and wanted to find out how older tapes recorded on a player like my old Sanyo would sound on a Nakamichi. The decks that I am considering include several from the BX line (BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, BX-300, BX 2). Are any of these better suited for playing older tapes? At this point I do not have any plans for recording, just playing and converting. Before I spend several hundred hours in this project I like to find out if the results are going to be worth it. Rich Miller 248 265-9084 The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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One (although certainly not the only) definition that I tend to be is "as accurate as possible compared to the source." But in the case of a cassette that's already degraded some (maybe not much), what's closer to the immediate source (i.e. the cassette), is, presumably, to a greater degree (than with a new cassette or any medium) different from the original source (the studio--the hall--etc.). Now, does "warming up the sound" and thus making it more pleasant to the ear make it "better"? Well, it depends...my preference would be to make the digital copy as close as possible to the cassette it's coming from (hence getting the azimuth tweaks & such), and then doing the warming up as a playback-only thing from the digital copy. But that maybe easier said than done, as well.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Mar 15 23:39:20 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:39:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1.5 In-Reply-To: <1B0780365090C2428D4382AB9D46C6770146AB32@fs-xch.foresightcorp.com> Message-ID: Thomas, I also have a Nak Cassette Deck 1.5, amongst others. I agree with Kannan that it is well worth getting one, especially if it's only $65! It is a good 3 head Nak, using the Sankyo transport as found on the BX series, internally it is pretty similar to the BX-300. If I am not mistaken, the heads and transport are the same as that used in the CR series too, like the CR-7. All in all, a very worthwhile Nak to get. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Mar 16 00:06:12 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:06:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1.5 Message-ID: <58D7B2F2-20E4-4885-AB2F-C06042E6FB69@alumni.caltech.edu> > I have also read that unless it a CD pressed not > burned (recorded) the CD/DVD will degrade faster than the analogue > sources. > > This is largely due to the fact that a "burned" CD uses either a photo-degradable organic dye (-R style media) or some kind of phase-change substrate (-RW style media). Since the substrate needs to be either thermally or photolytically sensitive in order to be changable by the laser, it's also possible that it can be thermally of photolytically sensitive (although to a significantly smaller degree) to environmental conditions. In addition, there's just normal "entropic", if you will, degradation of the substrate. Care of the media, as well as its original construction (what dye is used, etc.) are all important in preserving these as long as possible. A pressed disk is has an alumninum substrate where the "holes" in the disk have been made in a different way than burning them by a very low-power laser. They are prone, as, are the consumer- burnable media, to damage to the epoxy coating--either scratches that are misread, or, worse, if the epoxy is completely removed in even a very tiny area, destruction of the substrate itself (by oxidation in the case of pressed discs).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 16 00:10:46 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:10:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: <44187CFC.2070803@woods-and-waters.com> References: <44187CFC.2070803@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <44189EF6.4020408@rcn.com> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Henry, > > Henry wrote: >> I am no expert but to me the sound is awesome! > > You don't HAVE to be an expert to recognize great sound! You just have > to have ears and be able to tell the difference between live music and > recorded music. You're right, the sound is awesome. > > > I am learning to listen to the >> music - not the equipment! > > An accomplishment many self-elected experts haven't mastered. > > > and when I do this playing a good disk or >> tape, I close my eyes and the whole orchestra is there very precisely >> positioned about the room (and beyond?) even behind me!! I don't >> know how this happens its spooky! but it takes me into another world!! > > Right on! Oh yeah! The experience you describe is like a drug for me. > Cannot get enough of it! This is why I'm divesting myelf of my digital > recording gear as soon as I have another analog multitrack, even if it's > only four channels. Should never have sold my Studer A80 24-track. > Stupid, stupid, stupid. Ok, so I got fast-talked by a digital salesman. > He forgot to mention the digital gear has first-rate specs but > second-rate sound. > > >> I have a few turntables but am using a Linn LP12, Linn arm, cartridge, >> preamp and power supply, because I am paranoid about damaging the >> records, I had it set up by a Linn dealer from London who said it was >> the ultimate Linn turntable combination that he could not improve on. >> Surprisingly (or not?) > > This is THE definitive LP rig against which all others are compared. It > will give you years of musical bliss! > > > My dad had only one Cd player and about 20 CDs, >> he hated them! said "those bloody silver discs gave him a headache!!" >> and " if we were meant to listen to noughts and ones we would have >> "Intel inside!" across our foreheads!". I am beginning to agree! > > I'm laughing aloud with delight! Oh, your dad is wiser than most! I > have to remember this! THAT sums it up perfectly. Since you are so delighted, you might appreciate, "If God had meant up to eat meat, calves would be born already roasted". -- Ron From lenaw at flash.net Thu Mar 16 02:46:06 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:46:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007801c6489b$6516ed90$ebc3db40@CPQ16585250299> Hi ALEX: So what are those "Premium" TDK cassettes supposed to be? What is the difference between these "Premium" TDK cassettes compared with those that we bought in the regular stores ( AD, SA and MA )? Are TDK markets these "Premium" cassettes using other labels other than supplied solely to Nakamichi only? Thanks. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 11:26 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! Hi my dear Ali! YES...100% sure, Nak ask to TDK to relabeled their "Premium" types with such black Nak label o sticker, as EX/EX-2/SX & ZX. Were 100% the same quality as the "Premium" TDK cassettes. Lovely ones!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! >Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:52:50 EST > >Hi Alex, I have to agree with you! I too have TDK SA 100 and they sound >and work flawless! just like the TDK SA 60 or the C 90. Would LOVE! to >have >each of Nakamichi ZX, SX or EX never came about getting one and they >dont >make these anymore, wish there was a way to get hold of one of these , it >would look NICE! in my Dragon! I read somewhere that TDK actually was the >manufacturer of these tape. Maybe someone can shed some light on this! >Thanks! > >Ali >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 03:36:12 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:36:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion In-Reply-To: <44187DD4.50003@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060316023612.43701.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hehe..so its that GE 6SN7 which has been making all those mp3s sound warm.. :) Regards Bala 79Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hey Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Wouldn't a pre-amp in the middle give better results? I used the > exact method you are using before. Now I have a tube pre in the middle > which I feel gives the sound a bit more warmth and energy. Don't tell anyone...this is an old studio trick. You can use the pleasant-sounding nonlinearities of a tube amplifier to replace the unpleasant nonlinearities of solid state or (later on) digital equipment, enhancing the sound in the process. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 04:12:39 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:12:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060316031239.63334.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Henry, Dearest blessed soul, you've got Quad amps and ESL63s! Those are really beautiful sounding if you like that type of sound! Bala 79abs Henry wrote: Bala, I looked an found the customs declaration form, declares it as a "Nakamichi Fidela tape recorder - condition very poor / damaged to be used for spares. - Value UK £5.00" and the shipping weight was 80 lbs. I am now exited to what is actually inside the crate and my son is going to help we get at the crate later next week. As to the amps and speakers? he preferred British, I have a Quad valve set inc two tuners and a set of original Electrostatics. Also Later Quad set icl. 4 x 405-II amps that are bridged for mono, each feeding a quad ESL63 That are stacked in pairs in custom racks. The amplifiers are fed from a Quad 22 valve pre-amp Thru a "Black box" (I have no idea what this is!! except it has 2 inputs and 4 outputs, and one for a subsonic speaker that I don't use and is switched out, a remote cct must be built I because a Linn remote will control the volume). once again two tuners Another "Black box" is the only input to the "" pre-amp and this has inputs for all the other equipment, and remote ccts to control the switching. I use this set in a 20ft x 16 ft room, needed as the speakers only work there best well way-out into the room! I am no expert but to me the sound is awesome! I am learning to listen to the music - not the equipment! and when I do this playing a good disk or tape, I close my eyes and the whole orchestra is there very precisely positioned about the room (and beyond?) even behind me!! I don't know how this happens its spooky! but it takes me into another world!! I have a few turntables but am using a Linn LP12, Linn arm, cartridge, preamp and power supply, because I am paranoid about damaging the records, I had it set up by a Linn dealer from London who said it was the ultimate Linn turntable combination that he could not improve on. Surprisingly (or not?) My dad had only one Cd player and about 20 CDs, he hated them! said "those bloody silver discs gave him a headache!!" and " if we were meant to listen to noughts and ones we would have "Intel inside!" across our foreheads!". I am beginning to agree! Henry -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: 15 March 2006 14:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, As Wouter had suggested, it maybe a Fidela (or Magic Tone!) brand which Nakamichi was making before going into the cassette business. Or is it some rare tube reel in a Nak box ( ooh..I am getting so excited for Henry!). You will get to know since you are here, that Nakamichi wasn't just another one of those brands. Its got a very cult like following, which you don't see to other brands. But like Sansui, its got a mythical air to it. The good thing about Nakamichi is that it isn't cryptic technology that makes it sound so good. Its easy to repair and keep working and a good hi-fi repair shop should be able to help you keep them working in great shape. Now this isn't the same with some other makes. A masculin B77? Hmm..I have the PR99 which is the pro-version! . It sounds very close, to serveral Naks. But the Revox is a tad little more better it terms of soundstage and spatial imaging. I am sure your Dad must have left you with good amps and speakers. Bala 79Labs Henry wrote: Thank you Bala, I didn't realise the Nak r to r deck would create so much interest! Its been sitting crated in my garage under a pile of other boxes waiting to be sorted, There is so much to be opened and found a home for, I am only half way thru the pile and my dining room has turned into a music room and a bedroom into a storage space full of tapes, cassettes, records and spare par! ts! My wife is giving me the "evil eye" now, so I don't know how much more I will be able to bring into the house! (dads house was built around his collection!). I mentioned my dad was a collector? that is an understatement! he collected ANYTHING that made music! including a player piano, a showman's organ and a Christie theatre organ! the two organs have been donated to preservation societies as I cant possibly house them. I have not seen the Nak r to r myself, but now there is so much interest we will pull it out and open the box! I do know it is in very bad condition and was brought as a curiosity. I will get some pictures on my website soon. Until a few months ago a Nakamichi was a rather pretty tin box! to me (as was a Linn or Revox). now I am beginning to realise what I have I am looking at them differently. I will do all I can to keep them working, although not myself! I must state, I could not change a house fuse without blacking out the entire neighbourhood! I must admit though, my favourite recorder is a Revox B77 reel to reel! I think its because it looks so masculine and powerful when it is working! admittedly I cant hear that much difference between it and the ZX7 I am currently using? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: 13 March 2006 22:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, My condolences. He's not just left you a collection, but a legacy. A Nak reel to reel! Please try to get a snap of it! There are many anxious members waiting to get a glimps of one. (Does it have the Nakamichi logo on it? Hmm..). B and W are a fine source and have a very great reputation. They are one of the last few established sources that work on Nak equipment. Now the thing is with frequent use, Nak's dont need very frequent maintainence. The usual head care and demag. I usually gives my machine a yearly once-over. Checking that the belts and pinch rollers are ok, clea! ning the pots and switches with De-Oxit, checking that the machine measures up to spec and adjustments if necessary. A big welcome to the family! Regards Bala Ganesh 79La! bs Henry wrote: Hi! to you all, I must first thank you all for your kind remarks of my dad, he was "special! and deeply missed. Marc he did visit RSA last springtime, and this is where he died at the end of his trip, he lies in a family plot, Near Durban. His family roots were there and I know that is where he was to retire, he also had a house there you know. He was a serious Nak collector and even on this visit he "acquired" a Nak reel to reel deck via an ols friend ( its now resting in my garage waiting for so! me TLC) and yet another record collection!! To Alex, your comments on the 1970s 120 min BASF chromdioxide cassettes - the very first 10 tapes in my fathers collection are these tapes, recorded with 70s radio programmes. They have been well played still s! ound great and are all in excellent condition (indeed I am listening to one now (Around The Horn)). so it would help me if you could explain your comments in more detail. I have one quick question for you guys, How often should I have the Nak decks maintained and calibrated? I do make sure that each machine gets an hours use each 14 days. As you must know, we have B&W in England and they are relatively near to me. I believe they have a fine reputation in the group, great work and speedy service? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 13 March 2006 10:28 To: naktalk at naks.com; henry at privatemail.me.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] ! New to list. Hi Henry, Please accept my condolences on the loss of your father, Colin. Of course, we knew him. In fact, he was to have visitied South Africa last year...... This is sad indeed. Warm welcome to the group and hope to get many posts from you on your taping and archiving projects. Kindest regards, Marc Hugo >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/12/2006 12:43 PM >>> Hi, I have been following "Naktalk" for around 4 months now and have finally decided to sign up. A little about my history: I live in the wilds of England's East coast thankfully near to London! Last Eastertide my father died (he was a member, "colin4014" I believe?) and I inherited half of his hi-fi gear including 19 of his beloved "Nakamichi" tape decks, a number of R to R decks, some top line amps - speakers - turntables etc. Also the contents of a 24ft X 6ft storage cupboard containing a huge record and tape collection taki! ng up half the space, the rest being crammed with blank media and spare parts. I sat and looked at all this for six months wondering what on earth to do with it! and if the truth be known, if I had any idea on how to sell it I would have! Thankfull! y I didn't! and as winter came on last year I started to play with some of the equipment, soon realising why my dad had such a passion for his beloved Hi - Fi. I am now totally "hooked" . I am still a little scared of damaging the record collection and so I am transferring some of it on the reel and cassette tape. Its now after four months apparent why you guys have such admiration and passion for these recording machines! I have learnt an awful lot from reading your posts, and I thank you all for that! and even as a novice at this game feel I can positively contribute on some of the subject lines(?). For information the "Naks" range from the 500 series thru to the very last DR10s, including all ! the top models. My preferred model is the ZX7, I use one of them for recording and love the way I can "set up" any tape to get the maximum from it. I find it so simple and easy to use compared with say the Dragon or CR7! Thank you all Henry The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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This tape is regarded to have high MOL with minimum distortion if any. I have some That's Metal MRX Pro metal tapes which are great and do not sound "hard" or "brittle" like some others do although this depends very much on the calibration of the Nakamichi cassette decks and the the rest of the sound chain. As I said it's what I heard but could not swear it was 100% accurate. Jagtar Semplay London, UK. -- > From: "lenaw" > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:46:06 -0600 > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! > > Hi ALEX: > So what are those "Premium" TDK cassettes supposed to be? What is > the difference between these "Premium" TDK cassettes compared with those > that we bought in the regular stores ( AD, SA and MA )? Are TDK markets > these "Premium" cassettes using other labels other than supplied solely to > Nakamichi only? Thanks. > > > Regards, > Mike From znyuzo at freemail.hu Thu Mar 16 12:09:56 2006 From: znyuzo at freemail.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ny=FAz=F3_Zsolt_=28Freemail=29?=) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:09:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. References: <44187CFC.2070803@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <009001c648ea$291cac90$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Hi guys, First of all: Henry please accept my condolences on the loss of your father. As I have already lived through such a loss I can understand your feelings... Now to the actual theme: Henry wrote: > > My dad had only one Cd player and about 20 CDs, >> he hated them! said "those bloody silver discs gave him a headache!!" and >> " if we were meant to listen to noughts and ones we would have "Intel >> inside!" across our foreheads!". I am beginning to agree! Kermit's answer: > I'm laughing aloud with delight! Oh, your dad is wiser than most! I have > to remember this! THAT sums it up perfectly. Guys I fully agree both to Henry's father and Kermit. Once an audiophile maniac in Hungary had a very schocking, however very good analogy: He said, that a listening to music from a CD is like you would grind an animal (i.e. a chicken, a pig or whatsoever) and then from the result you would like to put together the original animal again and you would expect it to live as if nothing would have happened... I think this analogy has the point, right ? All the best for you all ! Zsolt From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 16 15:01:21 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:01:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! Message-ID: Hi Mike! Once during the kate 70ties & middle 80ties, I read somewhere, that TDK...supplied for Nakamichi & maybe other brands, the best of the best tape coating, under their brands label....depends, where you acquired your "Regularly" TDK cassettes, were those that I had some of them assembled in USA with tape made in Japan, that 100% sure have a much better made shells, that from other marketed TDK. Such cassettes TILL today still running perfectly...with NO problems at all....so for me were "Premium" ones...maybe some others disagree....that is my opinion! All my best wishes, Mike! ALEX! >From: "lenaw" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:46:06 -0600 > >Hi ALEX: > So what are those "Premium" TDK cassettes supposed to be? What is >the difference between these "Premium" TDK cassettes compared with those >that we bought in the regular stores ( AD, SA and MA )? Are TDK markets >these "Premium" cassettes using other labels other than supplied solely to >Nakamichi only? Thanks. > > >Regards, >Mike > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Alex Cozac >Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 11:26 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! > >Hi my dear Ali! > >YES...100% sure, Nak ask to TDK to relabeled their "Premium" types with >such > >black Nak label o sticker, as EX/EX-2/SX & ZX. Were 100% the same quality >as > >the "Premium" TDK cassettes. > >Lovely ones!!! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! > >Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:52:50 EST > > > >Hi Alex, I have to agree with you! I too have TDK SA 100 and they >sound > >and work flawless! just like the TDK SA 60 or the C 90. Would LOVE! to > >have > >each of Nakamichi ZX, SX or EX never came about getting one and they > >dont > >make these anymore, wish there was a way to get hold of one of these , >it > >would look NICE! in my Dragon! I read somewhere that TDK actually was >the > >manufacturer of these tape. Maybe someone can shed some light on this! > >Thanks! > > > >Ali > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 16 15:18:16 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:18:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441973A8.9030607@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> Hey Bala, >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> >> > Wouldn't a pre-amp in the middle give better results? I used the >> > exact method you are using before. Now I have a tube pre in the middle >> > which I feel gives the sound a bit more warmth and energy. >> >> Don't tell anyone...this is an old studio trick. You can use the >> pleasant-sounding nonlinearities of a tube amplifier to replace the >> unpleasant nonlinearities of solid state or (later on) digital >> equipment, enhancing the sound in the process. >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> > > To me, this depends on what you consider "better." One (although > certainly not the only) > definition that I tend to be is "as accurate as possible compared to the > source." But in the case of > a cassette that's already degraded some (maybe not much), what's closer > to the immediate source > (i.e. the cassette), is, presumably, to a greater degree (than with a > new cassette or any medium) different > from the original source (the studio--the hall--etc.). > Now, does "warming up the sound" and thus making it > more pleasant to the ear make it "better"? Well, it depends... That's right, it depends on your definition of 'better'. Both camps (objectivists and subjectivists) claim their goal is high fidelity and both define it as accurate sound reproduction. Still, there is a huge difference. The objectivist compares the original physical sound during recording with the physical reproduced sound, REGARDLESS OF WHO IS LISTENING to either sound or, indeed, if anyone is listening at all. IOW, the comparison is of physical phenomena that does not require the use of human ears and/or brain to test for fidelity. The subjectivist compares his perception of the original sound to his perception of the reproduced sound. He includes his sensory interpretation in his definition of 'better' or 'worse'. Unfortunately, both human ears and the path to the human brain are very poor measuring tools. No two humans hear the same or interpret sounds the same, even if the sounds are identical. Even worse... From this, there is only a small step to define as 'high fidelity' sounds that are pleasing to the particular listener, regardless of how accurate they are to the original sound. This explains how addition of a single tube stage can be claimed to 'improve' sound (BTW, the same effect EXACTLY can be achieved by using a low cost SS circuit that doesn't suffer from the myriad problems of hollow state devices -- but that wouldn't have the mythical Aura of tubes). -- Ron > My preference would be to make the digital > copy as close as possible to the cassette it's coming from (hence > getting the azimuth tweaks & such), and > then doing the warming up as a playback-only thing from the digital > copy. But that maybe easier said > than done, as well.-kby From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 16 15:31:46 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:31:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New to list Message-ID: <441976D2.90100@sbcglobal.net> Ron says: "Since you are so delighted, you might appreciate, "If God had meant up to eat meat, calves would be born already roasted". Ken says: Oh I think he wanted us to eat meat, but he did not want us to grind it into little bits. He wanted us to have a complete steak, not bits and bits of it with chunks left out. :-) From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 16:59:57 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:59:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion In-Reply-To: <441973A8.9030607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060316155957.38458.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> While the ears may not be the best or the ultimate measuring or quantizing intruments, I don't invest thousands of dollars on stuff for my instruments to measure. Its my ears that listen. I am not going to get into a pointless debate of tube vs transistor or analogue vs digital. I have heard equipment from both camps that sound good and bad. But to say that tube can do what transistors can do and vice versa is ignorant, very complacent thinking. After you displace Homer Scott, Saul Marantz, Frank McIntosh, Quad, de Paravicini, Peter Qvortrup, Hiroyasu Kondu, Willi Studer and so many other annals in terms of audio achievment, I'll listen to your judgment. Its not to difficult to make copy sound like the master. But when I am transferring to computer, I would like to make it palatable to my ears. When the signal enters the audio-card, it takes a very noisy, convoluted path. Its ten times more processed then Low-Fat Milk. Then, when you put it thru mp3 encoding, it gets worst (not many work together with Fraunhaufer IIT to get a accurate implementation anyway). My wife brings to work some mp3s I've transferred. She listens to it on her portable and she likes it. She can listen to it more longer, and doesn't shut of cuz its 'noisy and irritating'. The real archving I do, uses a careful calibrated and checked cassette machine (N-680ZX with custom playback electronics), through a parametric equalizer(for 78rpm eq tweaking), a proper, audiophile grade mixing pre-amp before it hits my Revox PR99 at 15 ips, two track.Copy sounds like the cassette except that the details are there . Pause before you react. Think carefully. You may be a good engineer, but that does not make you right in everything. There is a time to exercise transparent and careful audio, and there is a time a little more touch is needed. The pre-amp doesn't do any damage. The route the signal takes within a pc is more prone to degradation. . Bala 79Labs --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 17:13:15 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:13:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: <009001c648ea$291cac90$9f02a8c0@unobtainium> Message-ID: <20060316161315.64963.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Zsolt, Grisly, but pretty good analogy. You pointed out something that many people miss out - synergy. Its not just piecing the signal back together, but the synergy and co-relation that exists between the various signals and harmonics in a audio signal. But digital itself isn't bad. The way it was brought in, pressure by economic gave it a bad name. When Sony was working on digital audio, its engineers bought to their chief a disc the size of a LD! It would play over three hours but was rejected outright, The 74 minutes was chosen so that the first movement of one of Beethoven's pieces could fit in un-interrupted. Philips, the co-inventors, wanted to go down to 14-bits, but Sony persisted holding to the minimum 16-bits needed. The sampling frequency of 44.1kHz was chosen because early compact disc prototypes were based on electronics used from video recorders adapted for digital audio. I can give the math, but I think most of us would like to be spared from it! Today, digital audio is where records were back in the late 60s. Try playing a 1950 lp on a turntable and crystal or 'flip' cartridge of that era - you would get my point.There is so much progress to be made, and in order to make it usable, we have to cross this paths so that development can be made. Good Day Bala 79Labs Nyúzó Zsolt (Freemail) wrote: Hi guys, First of all: Henry please accept my condolences on the loss of your father. As I have already lived through such a loss I can understand your feelings... Now to the actual theme: Henry wrote: > > My dad had only one Cd player and about 20 CDs, >> he hated them! said "those bloody silver discs gave him a headache!!" and >> " if we were meant to listen to noughts and ones we would have "Intel >> inside!" across our foreheads!". I am beginning to agree! Kermit's answer: > I'm laughing aloud with delight! Oh, your dad is wiser than most! I have > to remember this! THAT sums it up perfectly. Guys I fully agree both to Henry's father and Kermit. Once an audiophile maniac in Hungary had a very schocking, however very good analogy: He said, that a listening to music from a CD is like you would grind an animal (i.e. a chicken, a pig or whatsoever) and then from the result you would like to put together the original animal again and you would expect it to live as if nothing would have happened... I think this analogy has the point, right ? All the best for you all ! Zsolt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 16 18:53:39 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:53:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4419A623.2030102@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Kimo, You're statements are absolutely right! I should have stated that it ONE studio trick to ONE approach of ONE possible interpretation of enhancing a sound by makin git sound "richer" or "more musical." The MOST COMMON use of the technique is for enhancing a particular music instrument rather than an entire recording. Better can mean many different things; that is why audio is part art, part science. And why the human ear should not be taken out of any design equation, I feel. Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> Hey Bala, >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> >>> Wouldn't a pre-amp in the middle give better results? I used the >>> exact method you are using before. Now I have a tube pre in the middle >>> which I feel gives the sound a bit more warmth and energy. >> >> Don't tell anyone...this is an old studio trick. You can use the >> pleasant-sounding nonlinearities of a tube amplifier to replace the >> unpleasant nonlinearities of solid state or (later on) digital >> equipment, enhancing the sound in the process. >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> > > To me, this depends on what you consider "better." One (although > certainly not the only) > definition that I tend to be is "as accurate as possible compared to the > source." But in the case of > a cassette that's already degraded some (maybe not much), what's closer > to the immediate source > (i.e. the cassette), is, presumably, to a greater degree (than with a > new cassette or any medium) different > from the original source (the studio--the hall--etc.). Now, does > "warming up the sound" and thus making it > more pleasant to the ear make it "better"? Well, it depends...my > preference would be to make the digital > copy as close as possible to the cassette it's coming from (hence > getting the azimuth tweaks & such), and > then doing the warming up as a playback-only thing from the digital > copy. But that maybe easier said > than done, as well.-kby > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 16 18:55:19 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:55:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion In-Reply-To: <20060316023612.43701.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060316023612.43701.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4419A687.9000102@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hehe..so its that GE 6SN7 which has been making all those mp3s sound > warm.. :) Amperex Bugle Boy 6SL7 or 12SL7. Extra sweet sounding. :) > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > */"Kermit V. Gray" /* wrote: > > Hey Bala, > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > Wouldn't a pre-amp in the middle give better results? I used the > > exact method you are using before. Now I have a tube pre in the > middle > > which I feel gives the sound a bit more warmth and energy. > > Don't tell anyone...this is an old studio trick. You can use the > pleasant-sounding nonlinearities of a tube amplifier to replace the > unpleasant nonlinearities of solid state or (later on) digital > equipment, enhancing the sound in the process. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 16 19:03:51 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:03:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New to list In-Reply-To: <441976D2.90100@sbcglobal.net> References: <441976D2.90100@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4419A887.6040805@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Ken, Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Ron says: > > "Since you are so delighted, you might appreciate, "If > God had meant up to eat meat, calves would be born > already roasted". > > Ken says: > > Oh I think he wanted us to eat meat, but he did not want us to grind it > into little bits. He wanted us to have a complete steak, not bits and > bits of it with chunks left out. :-) Right on! Yum, yum, I'll order the whole, big, juicy Kansas City Strip, medium well, instead of a Cubed "Steak" any day. Before I stupidly replaced my analog multitracks with digital, and put the Nakamichi decks on the prop room shelf, I advertised my all-analog studio this way: "Why Settle For Samples? Record All Of Your Music! KVG Lab's Total Waveform System lets you hear what you've been missing!" The ad worked. I took a lot of business away from the Protools crowd. Then I got stupid and joined them. Well, Logic Audio, but same thing. That's OK. Never too late. My digital rig's days are numbered. 11010001. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From rob at rhoag.com Thu Mar 16 18:51:27 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:51:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Old cassette tape conversion Message-ID: Bala: I've never tried that, I suppose you could use a paramatic equalizer of some sort also, but I just try to get the closest copy of the original tape in sound, I don't like to try to change the sound in the recording process, that way, I can always have the choice of doing it later and not be stuck with it. Doane, Wouldn't a pre-amp in the middle give better results? I used the exact method you are using before. Now I have a tube pre in the middle which I feel gives the sound a bit more warmth and energy. Bala 79Labs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well don't think you are sitting there all by yourself wishing you had your analog gear back! Many have fallen prey to the lords of Protools. I went back to analog for my home studio a few years back. But I do not have near the equipment needs you have, so it was pretty painless. Lots of used open reel multitrackers on the used market cheap! :-) I too was sold on digital. But I got back into playing live music after years of not playing. During the years I was not playing live music, I had built a very nice solid state digital stereo. (Classe amps, Wadia cd, Sonus Faber Extremas )But then I noticed that I could play hours of live music with moderate ear fatigue, but only minutes of loud digital before ear fatigue set in. This just did not seem right. So gradually I introduced into my stereo good analog, and it ruled over all of my fancy digital. So I switched out my digital recording gear for analog multitrack open reel. Wow, the cymbals sound right again! I did love that digital bass! Miss that! But there is just something that sounds so right when I hit the playback button and we listen through the Mackie monitors. All the other musicians, which really could care less about the gear, just simply noted that the digital gear sounds somewhat filtered and the analog tape sounds like us playing. But as we know, digital is catching up. It is getting really good at the high end studio level. But I would rather have that Studer 24 track any day. You can have both! Keep the digital, it is just getting better, and add a nice analog rig. You will be able to have the best each has to offer. On a side note. One of my buds has a nice Mac based home studio running Nuendo. He argued with me for years about how perfect his digital was and my analog gear was ancient technology. But he agreed I had the killer home stereo. He got the upgrade bug this year. I found him a used set of nice Sonus Faber Electa Amator II's.(monitor type speakers) He was blown away with the sound. He has a nice Nak RX 505, so I made him some cassettes with my Basis turntable and duped some also from my Teac reel to reel. I gave him about 5 tapes. He called me back after a week and said all he was listening to now were those tapes. He said the Nak sounded so much better than his Sony SCD-1 sacd player. He only has a few SACD's, but they sound excellent! Anyway, I told him the tapes were pure analog and that he should hook up his Project turntable that he uses to transcribe lp's to cd's ( spit) and see how it sounds. He calls back and is blown away by the sound of the table. So he goes off to buy used vinyl. He then calls back and said for fun he hooked up his old dynaco stereo tube amp. He is again blown away by the sound of the old tube amp. Well he is history now... :-) He has an all Airtight tube system, upgraded the cartridge on the Project, spiffed up the Nak and now he thinks this analog stuff was all his idea! :-) He still uses the digital set up in his studio, but he wishes he had a 24 track open reel deck instead. All he needed was the speakers that could reveal the limitations of his system.( he has the ears ) Best part is I don't have to listen to his hours of conversation about his latest digital toy anymore. A complete conversion! But I have to admit we get some great sound out of that Mac/Nuendo setup. I can only imagine how great a Studer 24 track would sound... Ken From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 16 21:23:57 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:23:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New to list In-Reply-To: <441976D2.90100@sbcglobal.net> References: <441976D2.90100@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4419C95D.1020708@rcn.com> Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Ron says: > > "Since you are so delighted, you might appreciate, "If > God had meant up to eat meat, calves would be born > already roasted". > > Ken says: > > Oh I think he wanted us to eat meat, but he did not want us to grind it > into little bits. He wanted us to have a complete steak, not bits and > bits of it with chunks left out. :-) I never realized God was dead set against hamburgers :-). More to the point: I think some people get too hung up about what happens during the digital processing. After all, they only listen to the analog signal. The digital signal in the recording isn't audio at all, it's a series of numbers. -- Ron From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 16 22:25:51 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:25:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: <20060316031239.63334.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Love to hear the ESL's but, as I own a pair of mono Quad 405 Mk1's, I'm not sure I'd get to excited about the Mk 2's. The 405's just don't cut it for me in sound. I'm told it's something to do with the "poor" OpAmps they used and the protection circuit that spoils them. I prefer my Sugden A21 over the 405's and Quad 44. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 16 March 2006 03:13 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, Dearest blessed soul, you've got Quad amps and ESL63s! Those are really beautiful sounding if you like that type of sound! Bala 79abs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at privatemail.me.uk Fri Mar 17 11:00:36 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:00:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi gra', I have some written information about these particular 405-2s and they are modified. I have absolutely no idea what any of the following means! hope you do? The input ccts have been upgraded and the opamps have been changed to Burr Brown devices. Lots of caps resistors and output transistors were also changed and the power supplies and associated capacitors were changed so as to work as "dual mono"? something was done to the feedback ccts and then channel one and two are bridged by units supplied by Quad themselves that actually fit on the rear of the amps giving just one input and one speaker output. The limiting ccts are removed and stored within the amps for future use. A large WARNING sticker on the top of each amp states that the amplifier limiting ccts are removed and voltage on the output effectively doubled! and then about driving the ESL63s with caution!! something about arcing and burning grids?? but I do occasionally drive them very hard with no (up to now) ill effects. my only gripes are : the size of the speakers, two stacked and the associated frame and base, and the fact they have to sit right out into the room. (not at all wife friendly!!) but shut your eyes - listen to the music - and these massive structures totally disappear! . When first installed I found them a little lacking at the low ends, but I was in my ignorance comparing with bass heavy lo-fi speakers! After three months of listening I know these speakers are producing the bottom end very tightly, cleanly and precisely. heavy bass lines shake my bones but there is no fuzzing! and all the instruments down there are still totally identifiable! If you are interested, this is the company that supplied all the modding parts: http://www.net-audio.co.uk/quad405caps.html My dad didntl like the Quad 44 very much either, so these amps are fed from a Quad 22 control unit Rebuilt and most probably modified! Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 16 March 2006 21:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [naktalk] New to list. Love to hear the ESL's but, as I own a pair of mono Quad 405 Mk1's, I'm not sure I'd get to excited about the Mk 2's. The 405's just don't cut it for me in sound. I'm told it's something to do with the "poor" OpAmps they used and the protection circuit that spoils them. I prefer my Sugden A21 over the 405's and Quad 44. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 16 March 2006 03:13 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. Hi Henry, Dearest blessed soul, you've got Quad amps and ESL63s! Those are really beautiful sounding if you like that type of sound! Bala 79abs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 17 15:55:32 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:55:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] New to list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for this, Henry. I'm out of work at the moment so can't afford any serious expenses but I'll consider this when I'm back on a stronger footing. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Henry Sent: 17 March 2006 10:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New to list. Hi gra', I have some written information about these particular 405-2s and they are modified. I have absolutely no idea what any of the following means! hope you do? The input ccts have been upgraded and the opamps have been changed to Burr Brown devices. Lots of caps resistors and output transistors were also changed and the power supplies and associated capacitors were changed so as to work as "dual mono"? something was done to the feedback ccts and then channel one and two are bridged by units supplied by Quad themselves that actually fit on the rear of the amps giving just one input and one speaker output. The limiting ccts are removed and stored within the amps for future use. A large WARNING sticker on the top of each amp states that the amplifier limiting ccts are removed and voltage on the output effectively doubled! and then about driving the ESL63s with caution!! something about arcing and burning grids?? but I do occasionally drive them very hard with no (up to now) ill effects. my only gripes are : the size of the speakers, two stacked and the associated frame and base, and the fact they have to sit right out into the room. (not at all wife friendly!!) but shut your eyes - listen to the music - and these massive structures totally disappear! . When first installed I found them a little lacking at the low ends, but I was in my ignorance comparing with bass heavy lo-fi speakers! After three months of listening I know these speakers are producing the bottom end very tightly, cleanly and precisely. heavy bass lines shake my bones but there is no fuzzing! and all the instruments down there are still totally identifiable! If you are interested, this is the company that supplied all the modding parts: http://www.net-audio.co.uk/quad405caps.html My dad didntl like the Quad 44 very much either, so these amps are fed from a Quad 22 control unit Rebuilt and most probably modified! Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sat Mar 18 21:07:04 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:07:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <200603160827.k2G8RgnC024019@zxe.naks.com> References: <200603160827.k2G8RgnC024019@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: hi Kermit & Bala et al, For the sake of those with a reduced attention span !! Would you kindly rewind & unpack this idea you are on about: ie putting a "preamp in between". In between 'what' is my question? The info and discussion has been ever so slightly cryptic! I assume we are talking about transcribing tapes into digi format ......... < apart from sharing with others who dont have tape players or creating a disc for the car .... which also dont have tape players nowadays ....... I wouldnt bother myself ...... in a NAK they'll sound better anyway> So are you discussing the tape outputs to a preamp onto a computer burner or standalone burner or what? I must have blinked as I am not up to speed on this idea ...... and we are only doing this with tubes ..... not trannies? For the sake of the less erudite a little more info please ....... it sounds fun although I no longer have my radford set up or the leak ,........ alas no McIntosh was ever owned by me. Ho hum. peace ianr Chilly Scotland From brando009 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 18 21:17:01 2006 From: brando009 at hotmail.com (Brandon White) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:17:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] To use or not to use Dolby Message-ID: Hi. I would love your feedback on the use of Dolby. I think that Dolby takes away the slightest bit of "air" from the recording. I personally can live with the hiss. I always found Dolby B to be more transparent than Dolby C. I am currently using a BX 300 that I just did the gear drive upgrade on. The take-up tension is more constant now than with the rubber idler that of course varies over time. I also did a slight tweak of the tape guide that was out of adjustment. Back tension is very crucial and added a bit to keep supply tension at optimum. From N4229K at aol.com Sat Mar 18 23:01:23 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:01:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! Message-ID: <230.8e3f049.314ddd33@aol.com> Hi Alex: I have met a friend the next town over from mine in Long Island, NY USA that used to work for TDK and he told me today that TDK made the pancakes for Nak, Kodak and others. While I was there I pick up 40 cassettes of the SA-X and AR in 90 min lengths. He even has Maxell from when they had to do comparisons in performance. He says his supply is getting low but I walked away with 40 cassettes and there was a whole lot more left behind. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Mar 19 13:06:04 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:06:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! Message-ID: Hi Dean! Your "Pick Out" 40 TDK cassettes are those assembled in USA with shells MADE IN USA...tape from Japan, or are those imported from Japan...from the 80ties/90ties...those that I classified "Superbly Good Ones"...with "Anti-resonance" shells? If are those...among us were the "Creme of the Creme". Please Dean, inform me, Cheers, ALEX! >From: N4229K at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! >Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:01:23 EST > >Hi Alex: > >I have met a friend the next town over from mine in Long Island, NY USA >that >used to work for TDK and he told me today that TDK made the pancakes for >Nak, Kodak and others. >While I was there I pick up 40 cassettes of the SA-X and AR in 90 min >lengths. He even has Maxell from when they had to do comparisons in >performance. >He says his supply is getting low but I walked away with 40 cassettes and >there was a whole lot more left behind. > >Dean >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From N4229K at aol.com Sun Mar 19 14:07:00 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:07:00 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! Message-ID: <2ef.353b24d.314eb174@aol.com> Hi Alex: The AR90 say made in Japan assembled in USA dated 1988. The SA-90JXZ and SA-X50 are made in Japan dated 1989. I go by weather they have square (sharp edges) on the cassette box and go from there as light is not too good in his attic. Next time I'll take a flashlight. LOL. I also picked up a few Maxell made in England XL II-S 90 (have screws). Regards, Dean In a message dated 3/19/2006 7:35:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, alexcozac at hotmail.com writes: Hi Dean! Your "Pick Out" 40 TDK cassettes are those assembled in USA with shells MADE IN USA...tape from Japan, or are those imported from Japan...from the 80ties/90ties...those that I classified "Superbly Good Ones"...with "Anti-resonance" shells? If are those...among us were the "Creme of the Creme". Please Dean, inform me, Cheers, ALEX! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Mar 19 15:04:40 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:04:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] To use or not to use Dolby In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441D64F8.8030502@rcn.com> Brandon White wrote: > Hi. I would love your feedback on the use of Dolby. I think that Dolby > takes away the slightest bit of "air" from the recording. I personally > can live with the hiss. I always found Dolby B to be more transparent > than Dolby C. I am currently using a BX 300 that I just did the gear > drive upgrade on. The take-up tension is more constant now than with the > rubber idler that of course varies over time. I also did a slight tweak > of the tape guide that was out of adjustment. Back tension is very > crucial and added a bit to keep supply tension at optimum. Dolby Noise Reduction (NR) does exactly what you say: it reduces noise, but at the price of slight sonic degradation, some will say, just like any other signal processing. In practical terms: *very* slight. C does both more than B: better noise reduction at lightly higher degradation. The choice of which to use -- if any -- is entirely up the user. Personally, I refer Dolby B to either C or none, which is what I have standardized on. YMMV. BTW, in a properly operating BX-300 (as with any of the Sankyo transport decks) back tension entirely depends on the takeup reel torque, which is electrically adjustable. IME, rubber idler units maintain the adjustment for a couple years or so under normal usage. When lost, replacement of the idler tire restore operation without any need to touch the adjustment, -- Ron From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 19 17:05:32 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:05:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060319160532.15513.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ian, Ok here it is in a gist. In my typical set-up, I have a Nak playing my source. The signal goes into a Phase Linear Parametric Equalizer. The signal from the equalizer then hits the tube-pre. The pre-out (this is not to be confused with tape out or line out) goes into the recording machine - whether it is reel to reel or a cd recorder. In my set-up, my pre-out signal hits either a PR99 open reel recorder or a Sony W33 cd-recorder. This signal could also go into the line-in of a pc soundcard. Before getting the cd-recorder, I used a pc to do early archiving work. I used Cool Edit Pro and did my equalization in the digital domain. The pc was heavily reworked to keep electrical noise to minimum, data cables shielded, drives on shock-mounts and a nice sound card from Terratec, Germany. A good transistor pre-amp is not a bad idea either. I have used a McIntosh C28 with success. But tubes, driving a nice reel deck seems to have that magic punch. My current pre gives a nice and transparent sound with good spatial imaging. The pre-amp is a custom built by Audio Note using silver wires, paper-in-oil caps, 1% resistors and a tube and choke power supply. It can be switched with or without feedback, but I tend to leave it in the latter. The tube is a 6SN7 Westinghouse Reliatron. Bala 79Labs earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: hi Kermit & Bala et al, For the sake of those with a reduced attention span !! Would you kindly rewind & unpack this idea you are on about: ie putting a "preamp in between". In between 'what' is my question? The info and discussion has been ever so slightly cryptic! I assume emails> we are talking about transcribing tapes into digi format ......... < apart from sharing with others who dont have tape players or creating a disc for the car .... which also dont have tape players nowadays ....... I wouldnt bother myself ...... in a NAK they'll sound better anyway> So are you discussing the tape outputs to a preamp onto a computer burner or standalone burner or what? I must have blinked as I am not up to speed on this idea ...... and we are only doing this with tubes ..... not trannies? For the sake of the less erudite a little more info please ....... it sounds fun although I no longer have my radford set up or the leak ,........ alas no McIntosh was ever owned by me. Ho hum. peace ianr Chilly Scotland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Cheers, ALEX! >From: N4229K at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tapes Made By TDK?! >Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:07:00 EST > > >Hi Alex: >The AR90 say made in Japan assembled in USA dated 1988. The SA-90JXZ and >SA-X50 are made in Japan dated 1989. I go by weather they have square >(sharp >edges) on the cassette box and go from there as light is not too good in >his >attic. Next time I'll take a flashlight. LOL. I also picked up a few >Maxell >made in England XL II-S 90 (have screws). >Regards, >Dean > > > >In a message dated 3/19/2006 7:35:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, >alexcozac at hotmail.com writes: > >Hi Dean! > >Your "Pick Out" 40 TDK cassettes are those assembled in USA with shells >MADE >IN USA...tape from Japan, or are those imported from Japan...from the >80ties/90ties...those that I classified "Superbly Good Ones"...with >"Anti-resonance" shells? If are those...among us were the "Creme of the >Creme". > >Please Dean, inform me, > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Mar 19 17:35:40 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:35:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] To use or not to use Dolby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060319163540.29685.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Low hiss or details? Brandon White a écrit : Hi. I would love your feedback on the use of Dolby. I think that Dolby takes away the slightest bit of "air" from the recording. I personally can live with the hiss. I always found Dolby B to be more transparent than Dolby C. I am currently using a BX 300 that I just did the gear drive upgrade on. The take-up tension is more constant now than with the rubber idler that of course varies over time. I also did a slight tweak of the tape guide that was out of adjustment. Back tension is very crucial and added a bit to keep supply tension at optimum. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wouter From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Mon Mar 20 17:20:13 2006 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:20:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cam belt Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3D44863@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Wouter- What made you decide you needed to replace the belt in the first place? I am curious because I have an LX-3 that powers up but no longer responds to the controls. I have not opened it up yet. I am the original owner, though. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:48 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] cam belt Hi All, Last week I took a LX-3 classic transport cam belt and went to a local electronics shop for a replacement. They had one that was almost exactly the same size and one that was smaller and thinner, I chose the last one. Now the LX-3 operates just fine again! Anyone who experimented with this? The smaller belt has a tighter fit and this could be better then the origial one that start giving problems too soon to my opinion. I contacted PRB directly 2 weeks ago and after one reply from their sales person never heared from them again, nice service! The fact that i'm in Europe may have sacared him... Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From N4229K at aol.com Mon Mar 20 18:49:26 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:49:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] cam belt Message-ID: <196.52986344.31504526@aol.com> For anyone who wants something from PRB I live a few miles away and pass by often plus I have a lot of belts and tires in stock. Just trying to help Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Mar 20 20:53:19 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:53:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] cam belt In-Reply-To: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3D44863@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> References: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3D44863@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Message-ID: <441F082F.4030807@xs4all.nl> Hi Thomas, Usually you can hear it when pressing play, the cam motor should shop running after each transport change but if the belt is worn it keeps running... If the belt is really worn the control-cam doesn't even move, so if you hear a motor running when pressing play, it can be this, also when you remove the cover you can hear the sound stronger, and you could even gently 'help' the cam to move, when it reaches it final position the motor stops. Wouter Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) wrote: > Wouter- > > What made you decide you needed to replace the belt in the first place? > I am curious because I have an LX-3 that powers up but no longer > responds to the controls. I have not opened it up yet. I am the > original owner, though. > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 20 23:06:32 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:06:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 capstan motor speed In-Reply-To: <000001c64c4f$0d554fe0$3700a8c0@Thuis.local> References: <000001c64c4f$0d554fe0$3700a8c0@Thuis.local> Message-ID: <441F2768.2020607@rcn.com> Kees van der Mark wrote: > Hello everbody, I recently bought a BX300E at Ebay. It needs repair > because when turned on, the capstan motor speed is ever increasing and > will only go down when play is pressed. Speed is then way too low. Can > anybody give me a hint about what could be wrong? > > Thanks, Kees Either the motor (less likely) or the control electronics (more likely) is shot. The control electronics PCB is behind the motor. If one of the ICs is gone, you're out of luck, because they are no longer available, for love or money. You'll have to replace the whole board. The way Nakamichi priced them, a complete motor wasn't that much more than the PCB alone, but that was several years ago. I am not sure either the PCB or the complete motor are still available. However, they can be salvaged from a parts deck (BX-300, MR-1 or higher CR series). The schematic of the motor electronics PCB is included in the service manual schematic. The layout of the PCB is not. Let me know if you need it and I'll email it to you. -- Ron From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 20 23:08:33 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:08:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] cam belt In-Reply-To: <196.52986344.31504526@aol.com> Message-ID: I may take you up on that, Dean - I need a belt for my Superscope CT320, to drive the counters, that is if you wouldn't mind posting to the UK. Not sure what the size is yet ... Cheers Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of N4229K at aol.com Sent: 20 March 2006 17:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] cam belt For anyone who wants something from PRB I live a few miles away and pass by often plus I have a lot of belts and tires in stock. Just trying to help Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.v.d.mark at hccnet.nl Mon Mar 20 23:46:03 2006 From: c.v.d.mark at hccnet.nl (Kees van der Mark) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:46:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 capstan motor speed In-Reply-To: <441F2768.2020607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000901c64c70$11775840$3700a8c0@Thuis.local> Hello Ron, I would appreciate it if you sent me the layout of the PCB. I got the service manual already from the naks.mine.nu website. Thanks for the help. Kees van der Mark -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Ron Verzonden: maandag 20 maart 2006 23:07 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 capstan motor speed Kees van der Mark wrote: > Hello everbody, I recently bought a BX300E at Ebay. It needs repair > because when turned on, the capstan motor speed is ever increasing and > will only go down when play is pressed. Speed is then way too low. Can > anybody give me a hint about what could be wrong? > > Thanks, Kees Either the motor (less likely) or the control electronics (more likely) is shot. The control electronics PCB is behind the motor. If one of the ICs is gone, you're out of luck, because they are no longer available, for love or money. You'll have to replace the whole board. The way Nakamichi priced them, a complete motor wasn't that much more than the PCB alone, but that was several years ago. I am not sure either the PCB or the complete motor are still available. However, they can be salvaged from a parts deck (BX-300, MR-1 or higher CR series). The schematic of the motor electronics PCB is included in the service manual schematic. The layout of the PCB is not. Let me know if you need it and I'll email it to you. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Mar 21 00:01:26 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:01:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] cam belt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060320230126.36610.qmail@web36215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can probably get the size in Turntableneedles.com's database. http://www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=18854 Nelson a écrit : I may take you up on that, Dean - I need a belt for my Superscope CT320, to drive the counters, that is if you wouldn't mind posting to the UK. Not sure what the size is yet ... Cheers Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of N4229K at aol.com Sent: 20 March 2006 17:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] cam belt For anyone who wants something from PRB I live a few miles away and pass by often plus I have a lot of belts and tires in stock. Just trying to help Dean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Mar 21 11:07:17 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:07:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction? In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060315113445.020b1718@stager.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20060315113445.020b1718@stager.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:39:33 -0500, Marc Stager wrote: >Earlier I wrote: >"... CD4 was a discrete form of quad coding developed by RCA. ... >SQ (Sony) and SQ (JVC) were matrixed quad schemes ..." > >My memory not so hot - the other Marc got it right - SQ was >Sansui and CD4 was JVC, used by RCA. SQ was Sony and >used by Columbia records. The matrixed vs. discrete part was >correct. SQ was also supported by ABC Records. -Mikkl From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 22 06:48:46 2006 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (boxer) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:48:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] cam belt Message-ID: hi could you spare me 2 pcs of tires for my ZX7 & 680ZX? 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 20 March 2006 23:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE : RE: [naktalk] cam belt You can probably get the size in Turntableneedles.com's database. http://www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=18854 Nelson a écrit : I may take you up on that, Dean - I need a belt for my Superscope CT320, to drive the counters, that is if you wouldn't mind posting to the UK. Not sure what the size is yet ... Cheers Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at privatemail.me.uk Tue Mar 21 22:54:33 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:54:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I originally asked The question "What is SQ QS and CD4" I, in my ignorance believed them to be noise reduction systems!! after being told that they are QUADRAPHONIC decoding systems I had a look thru my garage full of equipment and I have come across a B & O 6000 receiver and turntable that is quadraphonic enabled presumably from the 70s. it has outputs for 4 speakers and four channel inputs (including a dedicated 4 channel phono input?. The turntable is really sweat! fitted with a linear tracking arm and a 4 channel pick up cartridge. I could not resist rigging it all together just to see the results. Searching thru the record filing system I came across many, many quad recordings in all the formats. mostly classical SQ on HMV (UK) label. The results when played are quite weird! after you find the "sweet spot" (that is very small) the sound really surrounds you! Some SQ recordings on CBS are obviously out to impress, Bob Dylan "Desire" and Simon and garfunkle "Bridge over troubled water" have extra vocal and orchestral lines added to the rear channels, some tracks run longer and so are unique recordings. The Virgin label recordings of Mike Oldfield (Tubular bells and the like) are wild! comparing with the stereo recordings show the entire rear channel information to be added and not on the stereo verions at all even extra tracks!! John Lennon "Imagine" adds echo and reverb to the rear channels to stunning effect SQ recordings seem a little less vague and more professional. Both these systems are supposidly Stereo compatible but played in stereo the field and imaging are very restricted and the the overall effect is disapointing to say the least The CD4 "Victor" recordings are almost comical! particularly the demonstration records that have trains cars and planes flying around the room! one recording shows ot off so well! Two Bullit trains passing each other with the mikes positioned between the tracks? It works! the recordings on the UK labels show how good this system was, almost desrete and these recordings show the superior channel separation of the CD4 system. they dont reproduce in stereo, all the rear information dissapears. The demodulator for CD4 is inside the turntable and a CD4 logo lights as the record plays. Also you were correct about the tapes the SQ and QS cassettes reproduce in quad but the CD4 ones only in stereo. What really impresses is the fact that its all analogue (I think?)!!! and thirty years old to boot!!! This is a "must keep" system if not just for the very unique B & O 6000 receiver! Considering its age, this thing is awesome! fully remote controlled with ultra-sonics, all be it the pots and tuning are motor driven with belts and clutches. It hangs neatly on the wall, smacks of Danish class, lights up like a Xmas tree, built like a "brick built s**t house, and for its size it is ultra heavy!! it must have cost a fortune!! it also has a B & O sound quality that is really appealing. Even the four speakers are ultra thin for wall mounting. and the cassete deck does well! Now I just need to find a room for it? Henry -----Original Message----- From: Mikkel Breiler [mailto:mibm at tdcadsl.dk] Sent: 21 March 2006 10:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise reduction? On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:39:33 -0500, Marc Stager wrote: >Earlier I wrote: >"... CD4 was a discrete form of quad coding developed by RCA. ... >SQ (Sony) and SQ (JVC) were matrixed quad schemes ..." > >My memory not so hot - the other Marc got it right - SQ was >Sansui and CD4 was JVC, used by RCA. SQ was Sony and >used by Columbia records. The matrixed vs. discrete part was >correct. SQ was also supported by ABC Records. -Mikkl From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 22 00:46:52 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:46:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cam belt In-Reply-To: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3D44863@USAMASML01.usa.doj. gov> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060321174652.0081dc90@earthlink.net> If your LX 3 makes noise when you press play, then the cam belt is likely slipping. Try FF or Rw. If these work, it is definately the cam belt. If not, the cam motor drive circuit is bad. tom brucker At 11:20 AM 3/20/06 -0500, you wrote: >Wouter- > >What made you decide you needed to replace the belt in the first place? >I am curious because I have an LX-3 that powers up but no longer >responds to the controls. I have not opened it up yet. I am the >original owner, though. > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of Wouter Heijke >Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:48 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] cam belt > >Hi All, > >Last week I took a LX-3 classic transport cam belt and went to a local >electronics shop for a replacement. They had one that was almost exactly >the same size and one that was smaller and thinner, I chose the last >one. >Now the LX-3 operates just fine again! >Anyone who experimented with this? The smaller belt has a tighter fit >and this could be better then the origial one that start giving problems >too soon to my opinion. > >I contacted PRB directly 2 weeks ago and after one reply from their >sales person never heared from them again, nice service! The fact that >i'm in Europe may have sacared him... > >Wouter > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 23 06:05:28 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:05:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] To use or not to use Dolby In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44222C98.8070506@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Brandon, Brandon White wrote: > Hi. I would love your feedback on the use of Dolby. I think that Dolby > takes away the slightest bit of "air" from the recording. I personally > can live with the hiss. I always found Dolby B to be more transparent > than Dolby C. In my experience, a properly calibrated recorder with correct recording levels will suffer no ill effect sonically with any of the Dolby NR systems. I've used A, B, C, and SR with no perceptible degradation or loss of air. In fact, Dolby can give an improvement in low-level detail. Unfortunately, if the deck isn't properly calibrated, or recording levels aren't set correctly, then the Dolby can ruin the sound. I heard a Dolby CD cassette recently that had calibration which was so fouled up it was unlistenable. Not the Dolby's fault. Once my cassette deck comes out next year, it won't have Dolby, though. I want to avoid the calibration problem (offical reason), the design of the deck will adhere to the "less processing is more transparency" philosophy (advertising copy reason) and I also do not want to have to pay the hefty Dolby licensing fees (the real reason). -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 23 07:17:57 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:17:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: References: <200603160827.k2G8RgnC024019@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <44223D95.4090606@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Hey, Ian! Firstly, let me explain the underlying principles. This is a condensation of three years of studio recording engineer training into a few words. The term "better" will be used. To spare us from a semantic onslaught "better" herewithin means a subjective improvement of how the listener perceives the final resulting sound. Ideally, you begin with a flawless original recording, then transfer with quality loss to a flawless copy medium, resulting in a copy indistinguishable from the original. How often does this happen in real life? Uh, uh, uh...well, uh, er. Not yet. Close a few times, but not yet. Ah well. Alright then, so you have an original that may be perfect or may be horrible and you're copying with some loss, hopefully very very little, usually onto a copy medium of similar or lower quality; only occasionally of higher quality. What do you do? You try to get the sound as close to the original as possible. If that is inadequate you then try to give the copy as sound that gives the listener the sensation that it is exactly as the original, even though it may be far different. If that is inadequate you then try to make the copy sound pleasing to the listener, even of that sound, technically, is very different from the original. Regardless, you want the sound to be pleasing to the ear. You have to be able to hear when that has been achieved and not necessarily equate that success with achieving sonic perfection in situations where that clearly isn't achievable. Some recordists can't make this adjustment to their thinking. You can, I have faith in you. Start by replaying the original to as high a quality as practicable, adding any needed corrections to the playback during the playback. In the case of cassettes you have four choices: 1) Stop by Alex's house and let him play it on his Dragon with its auto-azimuth. 2) Stop by Gra's house and let him play it on his Pioneer deck with the FLEX circuitry. 3) Stop by Bala's house and let him pick out the best of his thousand-odd Nakamichi cassette decks to play it on (to get the best tone and compatibility). 4) Stop by my house and let me play it on my 600-II with hand-tweaked azimuth verified by a combination of ear, oscilloscope and correlator. One or all of these alternatives will give a playback of the tape as good as the tape is capable of. Okay then, so if you have a great sounding tape then arguably all you have to do is connect a pair of good shunt-shield cables (hint hint) from the cassette deck to the ADC, make the digital copy. He shoots, he scores. Ah, but what if the tape is truly awful sounding, like a high-speed duplicated copy of Toto's "Hydra." And what if your ADC is a cheapie piece of garbage, like the "audio in" mini jack of a 2000-vintage transparent indigo blue iMac? What now? A straight transfer will be awful, right? Right! OK, you have to make the copy sound -- hold on, here comes that dreaded word -- better. Yikes! How? WARNING! SCIENCE CONTENT: [We return to the studio for an interlude of music. Cue Orson Welles.] Do you know the three philosophies of the sound recorder? The first: The recorder as documentarian. In other words, it preserves what is presented to it without alteration. In this instance, Alex's Dragon exemplifies this philosophy by using its auto azimuth to achieve perfect playback of the original cassette. The second: The recorder as flatterer. In other words, it can cover up "blemishes" in the sound, or highlight a pleasing aspect of the sound, or change the listeners point of view of the sound in a manner that is more pleasurable to the listener (this latter instance relates more to mic technique). In this instance, Gra's FLEX Pioneer cassette deck exemplifies this philosophy by using its FLEX circuitry to restore the usual frequency-vs-level characteristic for tapes whose high-frequency content falls off prematurely because they have become partially erased or were of inferior quality. The third: The recorder as creator. In other words, it can make new sounds that otherwise could not exist without its manipulations. Multitrack recorders exemplify this philosophy, but it isn't germane to this discussion. So where does the preamp come into this discussion? It too can serve as flatter. How? You can use the pleasant-sounding nonlinearities of a valve (pre)amplifier to replace the unpleasant nonlinearities of solid state or of subsequent digital recordings, enhancing the sound in the process. The ear perceives the even order distortion of valve gear the same as it perceives the natural harmonics of a musical instrument, thus it can make a recording sound "richer" or "more musical." Of course, this is a subtlety. High distortion during a transfer sounds horrible regardless. Interestingly, many studies made over the last several decades indicate that the brain uses a different method of perceiving recorded music than it does to perceive live music. Recorded music is a different experience than live music. One aspect of this is that in certain instances, many listeners would perceive a distortionless audio system adversely, describing it as lifeless, sterile or unnatural. The characteristics of an audio system's distortion can affect the listeners' perception of frequency balance, creating the impression of increased treble, reduced treble, increased bass, reduced bass and so on -- in ways no equalizer ever could. Also, the characteristics of an audio system's distortion can affect the listeners' perception of dynamics, creating the impression of compression even when none is used! Subtle manipulation of distortion is the secret tool of choice for top mastering engineers. Such methods can achieve the same end result that otherwise would have to be done with EQ or compression, without the adverse aspects of those processors. In my work I use a special preamp I built that allows me to alter its sonic signature by manipulating distortion and phase characteristics. It can truly enhance a mediocre source recording. It was used on the Nakathon IIIa project, by the way. So, counterintuitively, a distortionless audio system isn't necessarily desirable [despite that this is the stated goal of all designers] -- but the sensation (perception) of distortionlessness is! And no, this isn't a fancy rationalization for bad-sounding equipment. it shows what a chalenge designers face: balancing low distorton with the listener's often contradictory perception of the sound of that low distortion equipment. Equipment (like Nakamichi cassette decks) that attains legendary must-have status has achieved this elusive balance. Their designers have learned that the sensible theory that equates zero distortion with perfect sound isn't necessarily true. It can drive you barking mad! Clear as mud, right Ian?! earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > hi Kermit & Bala et al, > > For the sake of those with a reduced attention span !! > > Would you kindly rewind & unpack this idea you are on about: ie putting > a "preamp in between". > > In between 'what' is my question? The info and discussion has been ever > so slightly cryptic! > > I assume emails> we are talking about transcribing tapes into digi format > ......... < apart from sharing with others who dont have tape players or > creating a disc for the car .... which also dont have tape players > nowadays ....... I wouldnt bother myself ...... in a NAK they'll sound > better anyway> > > So are you discussing the tape outputs to a preamp onto a computer > burner or standalone burner or what? > > I must have blinked as I am not up to speed on this idea ...... and we > are only doing this with tubes ..... not trannies? > > For the sake of the less erudite a little more info please ....... it > sounds fun although I no longer have my radford set up or the leak > ,........ alas no McIntosh was ever owned by me. Ho hum. > > peace > > ianr > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 23 10:53:42 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:53:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] My new/old BX-300E Message-ID: <20060323095342.87096.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Well - it's here. The auction listing said the BX-300E was noisy on rewind so I bid for a new idler tire just after I won the Nak. And, yes, I do really need to fit this ASAP because the noise is one thing but the poor spool take-up is another thing entirely. I've seen the excellent instructions for this job on the 'net and they look clear enough. Are there any other things about disassembling/reassembling the deck I should look out for? Also, I've read that the idler repair is likely to be needed again in 2-3 years (ouch!) so if anyone knows about the BX gear upgrade, who can do it in the UK and how many members of family I'd have to sell to pay for it, I'd be very grateful. Just one thing.. I imagine that when the idler works properly it's almost completely silent. Does the gear upgrade make the transport noisier? From luis at peromarta.org Thu Mar 23 11:00:35 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:00:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Message-ID: <442271C3.7050402@peromarta.org> Dear all, While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to playback head azimuth correction. Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's azimuth postion. Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth (auto or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to playback head position (auto or user). Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very convenient. Any thoughts on this? -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Mar 23 14:21:45 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:21:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <44223D95.4090606@woods-and-waters.com> References: <200603160827.k2G8RgnC024019@zxe.naks.com> <44223D95.4090606@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4422A0E9.7010008@cox.net> Kermit - I enjoyed this short course on the perception of sound quality. It's always instructive to hear the point of view of one who has learned through experience and who is able to put their experience into good words. Your self-built phase/distortion adjustable preamp intrigues me. Not that I necessarily want one, but I am curious about the design aspects. How much control does it afford you over phase and distortion, and are they separably adjustable? Tim Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hey Hey, Ian! > > Firstly, let me explain the underlying principles. This is a > condensation of three years of studio recording engineer training into > a few words. The term "better" will be used. To spare us from a > semantic onslaught "better" herewithin means a subjective improvement > of how the listener perceives the final resulting sound. > > Ideally, you begin with a flawless original recording, then transfer > with quality loss to a flawless copy medium, resulting in a copy > indistinguishable from the original. How often does this happen in > real life? Uh, uh, uh...well, uh, er. Not yet. Close a few times, but > not yet. Ah well. > > Alright then, so you have an original that may be perfect or may be > horrible and you're copying with some loss, hopefully very very > little, usually onto a copy medium of similar or lower quality; only > occasionally of higher quality. > > What do you do? > > You try to get the sound as close to the original as possible. If that > is inadequate you then try to give the copy as sound that gives the > listener the sensation that it is exactly as the original, even though > it may be far different. If that is inadequate you then try to make > the copy sound pleasing to the listener, even of that sound, > technically, is very different from the original. Regardless, you want > the sound to be pleasing to the ear. You have to be able to hear when > that has been achieved and not necessarily equate that success with > achieving sonic perfection in situations where that clearly isn't > achievable. Some recordists can't make this adjustment to their > thinking. You can, I have faith in you. > > Start by replaying the original to as high a quality as practicable, > adding any needed corrections to the playback during the playback. In > the case of cassettes you have four choices: 1) Stop by Alex's house > and let him play it on his Dragon with its auto-azimuth. 2) Stop by > Gra's house and let him play it on his Pioneer deck with the FLEX > circuitry. 3) Stop by Bala's house and let him pick out the best of > his thousand-odd Nakamichi cassette decks to play it on (to get the > best tone and compatibility). 4) Stop by my house and let me play it > on my 600-II with hand-tweaked azimuth verified by a combination of > ear, oscilloscope and correlator. One or all of these alternatives > will give a playback of the tape as good as the tape is capable of. > > Okay then, so if you have a great sounding tape then arguably all you > have to do is connect a pair of good shunt-shield cables (hint hint) > from the cassette deck to the ADC, make the digital copy. He shoots, > he scores. Ah, but what if the tape is truly awful sounding, like a > high-speed duplicated copy of Toto's "Hydra." And what if your ADC is > a cheapie piece of garbage, like the "audio in" mini jack of a > 2000-vintage transparent indigo blue iMac? What now? A straight > transfer will be awful, right? Right! > > OK, you have to make the copy sound -- hold on, here comes that > dreaded word -- better. Yikes! How? > > WARNING! SCIENCE CONTENT: > > [We return to the studio for an interlude of music. Cue Orson Welles.] > Do you know the three philosophies of the sound recorder? > > The first: The recorder as documentarian. In other words, it preserves > what is presented to it without alteration. In this instance, Alex's > Dragon exemplifies this philosophy by using its auto azimuth to > achieve perfect playback of the original cassette. > > The second: The recorder as flatterer. In other words, it can cover up > "blemishes" in the sound, or highlight a pleasing aspect of the sound, > or change the listeners point of view of the sound in a manner that is > more pleasurable to the listener (this latter instance relates more to > mic technique). In this instance, Gra's FLEX Pioneer cassette deck > exemplifies this philosophy by using its FLEX circuitry to restore the > usual frequency-vs-level characteristic for tapes whose high-frequency > content falls off prematurely because they have become partially > erased or were of inferior quality. > > The third: The recorder as creator. In other words, it can make new > sounds that otherwise could not exist without its manipulations. > Multitrack recorders exemplify this philosophy, but it isn't germane > to this discussion. > > So where does the preamp come into this discussion? It too can serve > as flatter. How? You can use the pleasant-sounding nonlinearities of a > valve (pre)amplifier to replace the unpleasant nonlinearities of solid > state or of subsequent digital recordings, enhancing the sound in the > process. The ear perceives the even order distortion of valve gear the > same as it perceives the natural harmonics of a musical instrument, > thus it can make a recording sound "richer" or "more musical." Of > course, this is a subtlety. High distortion during a transfer sounds > horrible regardless. > > Interestingly, many studies made over the last several decades > indicate that the brain uses a different method of perceiving recorded > music than it does to perceive live music. Recorded music is a > different experience than live music. One aspect of this is that in > certain instances, many listeners would perceive a distortionless > audio system adversely, describing it as lifeless, sterile or > unnatural. The characteristics of an audio system's distortion can > affect the listeners' perception of frequency balance, creating the > impression of increased treble, reduced treble, increased bass, > reduced bass and so on -- in ways no equalizer ever could. Also, the > characteristics of an audio system's distortion can affect the > listeners' perception of dynamics, creating the impression of > compression even when none is used! Subtle manipulation of distortion > is the secret tool of choice for top mastering engineers. Such methods > can achieve the same end result that otherwise would have to be done > with EQ or compression, without the adverse aspects of those > processors. In my work I use a special preamp I built that allows me > to alter its sonic signature by manipulating distortion and phase > characteristics. It can truly enhance a mediocre source recording. It > was used on the Nakathon IIIa project, by the way. > > So, counterintuitively, a distortionless audio system isn't > necessarily desirable [despite that this is the stated goal of all > designers] -- but the sensation (perception) of distortionlessness is! > And no, this isn't a fancy rationalization for bad-sounding equipment. > it shows what a chalenge designers face: balancing low distorton with > the listener's often contradictory perception of the sound of that low > distortion equipment. Equipment (like Nakamichi cassette decks) that > attains legendary must-have status has achieved this elusive balance. > Their designers have learned that the sensible theory that equates > zero distortion with perfect sound isn't necessarily true. It can > drive you barking mad! > > Clear as mud, right Ian?! > > > > earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > >> hi Kermit & Bala et al, >> >> For the sake of those with a reduced attention span !! >> >> Would you kindly rewind & unpack this idea you are on about: ie >> putting a "preamp in between". >> >> In between 'what' is my question? The info and discussion has been >> ever so slightly cryptic! >> >> I assume > emails> we are talking about transcribing tapes into digi format >> ......... < apart from sharing with others who dont have tape players >> or creating a disc for the car .... which also dont have tape players >> nowadays ....... I wouldnt bother myself ...... in a NAK they'll >> sound better anyway> >> >> So are you discussing the tape outputs to a preamp onto a computer >> burner or standalone burner or what? >> >> I must have blinked as I am not up to speed on this idea ...... and >> we are only doing this with tubes ..... not trannies? >> >> For the sake of the less erudite a little more info please ....... it >> sounds fun although I no longer have my radford set up or the leak >> ,........ alas no McIntosh was ever owned by me. Ho hum. >> >> peace >> >> ianr >> > > From fugue4all at shaw.ca Thu Mar 23 14:24:26 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:24:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 3. Re: Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <200603231100.k2NB0Ibc019114@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000801c64e7d$1bae3cc0$8902a8c0@warbird> Hey, Kermit--I have a #5 for you ;-) 5) Stop by any of the 1000's of houses that have a CR-7 and adjust the playback azimuth yourself..... I don't share the veneration of many on the list for the Dragon--too many design flaws that compromise the longterm integrity of the NAAC. (The TD-1200's were a reliability disaster for Nakamichi: the TD-700's by comparison, are built like anvils and run without problem in the harsh automotive environment.) To me, Nakamichi's admission of this came in the form of the later decks and their relative simplicity. As far as I understand it, NAAC is not an active tracking system--does not operate constantly. Manually, my ears have no trouble finding the "right" spot. To me (and to you with you cherished 600II?), elegant, functional simplicity wins hands down every time. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:17:57 -0600 From: "Kermit V. Gray" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <44223D95.4090606 at woods-and-waters.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hey Hey, Ian! Firstly, let me explain the underlying principles. This is a condensation of three years of studio recording engineer training into a few words. The term "better" will be used. To spare us from a semantic onslaught "better" herewithin means a subjective improvement of how the listener perceives the final resulting sound. Ideally, you begin with a flawless original recording, then transfer with quality loss to a flawless copy medium, resulting in a copy indistinguishable from the original. How often does this happen in real life? Uh, uh, uh...well, uh, er. Not yet. Close a few times, but not yet. Ah well. Alright then, so you have an original that may be perfect or may be horrible and you're copying with some loss, hopefully very very little, usually onto a copy medium of similar or lower quality; only occasionally of higher quality. What do you do? You try to get the sound as close to the original as possible. If that is inadequate you then try to give the copy as sound that gives the listener the sensation that it is exactly as the original, even though it may be far different. If that is inadequate you then try to make the copy sound pleasing to the listener, even of that sound, technically, is very different from the original. Regardless, you want the sound to be pleasing to the ear. You have to be able to hear when that has been achieved and not necessarily equate that success with achieving sonic perfection in situations where that clearly isn't achievable. Some recordists can't make this adjustment to their thinking. You can, I have faith in you. Start by replaying the original to as high a quality as practicable, adding any needed corrections to the playback during the playback. In the case of cassettes you have four choices: 1) Stop by Alex's house and let him play it on his Dragon with its auto-azimuth. 2) Stop by Gra's house and let him play it on his Pioneer deck with the FLEX circuitry. 3) Stop by Bala's house and let him pick out the best of his thousand-odd Nakamichi cassette decks to play it on (to get the best tone and compatibility). 4) Stop by my house and let me play it on my 600-II with hand-tweaked azimuth verified by a combination of ear, oscilloscope and correlator. One or all of these alternatives will give a playback of the tape as good as the tape is capable of. Okay then, so if you have a great sounding tape then arguably all you have to do is connect a pair of good shunt-shield cables (hint hint) from the cassette deck to the ADC, make the digital copy. He shoots, he scores. Ah, but what if the tape is truly awful sounding, like a high-speed duplicated copy of Toto's "Hydra." And what if your ADC is a cheapie piece of garbage, like the "audio in" mini jack of a 2000-vintage transparent indigo blue iMac? What now? A straight transfer will be awful, right? Right! OK, you have to make the copy sound -- hold on, here comes that dreaded word -- better. Yikes! How? WARNING! SCIENCE CONTENT: [We return to the studio for an interlude of music. Cue Orson Welles.] Do you know the three philosophies of the sound recorder? The first: The recorder as documentarian. In other words, it preserves what is presented to it without alteration. In this instance, Alex's Dragon exemplifies this philosophy by using its auto azimuth to achieve perfect playback of the original cassette. The second: The recorder as flatterer. In other words, it can cover up "blemishes" in the sound, or highlight a pleasing aspect of the sound, or change the listeners point of view of the sound in a manner that is more pleasurable to the listener (this latter instance relates more to mic technique). In this instance, Gra's FLEX Pioneer cassette deck exemplifies this philosophy by using its FLEX circuitry to restore the usual frequency-vs-level characteristic for tapes whose high-frequency content falls off prematurely because they have become partially erased or were of inferior quality. The third: The recorder as creator. In other words, it can make new sounds that otherwise could not exist without its manipulations. Multitrack recorders exemplify this philosophy, but it isn't germane to this discussion. So where does the preamp come into this discussion? It too can serve as flatter. How? You can use the pleasant-sounding nonlinearities of a valve (pre)amplifier to replace the unpleasant nonlinearities of solid state or of subsequent digital recordings, enhancing the sound in the process. The ear perceives the even order distortion of valve gear the same as it perceives the natural harmonics of a musical instrument, thus it can make a recording sound "richer" or "more musical." Of course, this is a subtlety. High distortion during a transfer sounds horrible regardless. Interestingly, many studies made over the last several decades indicate that the brain uses a different method of perceiving recorded music than it does to perceive live music. Recorded music is a different experience than live music. One aspect of this is that in certain instances, many listeners would perceive a distortionless audio system adversely, describing it as lifeless, sterile or unnatural. The characteristics of an audio system's distortion can affect the listeners' perception of frequency balance, creating the impression of increased treble, reduced treble, increased bass, reduced bass and so on -- in ways no equalizer ever could. Also, the characteristics of an audio system's distortion can affect the listeners' perception of dynamics, creating the impression of compression even when none is used! Subtle manipulation of distortion is the secret tool of choice for top mastering engineers. Such methods can achieve the same end result that otherwise would have to be done with EQ or compression, without the adverse aspects of those processors. In my work I use a special preamp I built that allows me to alter its sonic signature by manipulating distortion and phase characteristics. It can truly enhance a mediocre source recording. It was used on the Nakathon IIIa project, by the way. So, counterintuitively, a distortionless audio system isn't necessarily desirable [despite that this is the stated goal of all designers] -- but the sensation (perception) of distortionlessness is! And no, this isn't a fancy rationalization for bad-sounding equipment. it shows what a chalenge designers face: balancing low distorton with the listener's often contradictory perception of the sound of that low distortion equipment. Equipment (like Nakamichi cassette decks) that attains legendary must-have status has achieved this elusive balance. Their designers have learned that the sensible theory that equates zero distortion with perfect sound isn't necessarily true. It can drive you barking mad! Clear as mud, right Ian?! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/287 - Release Date: 3/21/2006 From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 23 15:09:18 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:09:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My new/old BX-300E In-Reply-To: <20060323095342.87096.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060323095342.87096.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4422AC0E.6070500@rcn.com> Chris Mann wrote: > Well - it's here. The auction listing said the BX-300E > was noisy on rewind so I bid for a new idler tire just > after I won the Nak. > > And, yes, I do really need to fit this ASAP because > the noise is one thing but the poor spool take-up is > another thing entirely. > > I've seen the excellent instructions for this job on > the 'net and they look clear enough. Are there any > other things about disassembling/reassembling the deck > I should look out for? There were a couple (at least) instruction sets. If you happened to see mine, it includes everything that you need to know. > Also, I've read that the idler repair is likely to be > needed again in 2-3 years (ouch!)... Actually, once you master the job, it's completely ouchless. Average duration is less than 10 minutes and if you include it as part of general service, even less. > ... so if anyone knows > about the BX gear upgrade, who can do it in the UK and > how many members of family I'd have to sell to pay for > it, I'd be very grateful. In cost of parts, the last I looked (admittedly, a long time ago), it was eighty odd bucks vs. 57 cents. In terms of time, it was a good hour and a half vs. less than 10 minutes. In terms of difficulty, you better be seriously technically proficient vs. run-of-the-mill technically inclined. To my mind, it's worth only if you are a very young, very wealthy man, or someone that strives for 'the best' beyond practical considerations. But that's *my* view. YMMV. > Just one thing.. I imagine that when the idler works > properly it's almost completely silent. Does the gear > upgrade make the transport noisier? Not really, The gear is made of white plastic (Delrin?) and works reasonable noiselessly. The soft woosh of the rewinding cassette masks whatever noise it emits. -- Ron From christopher.winter at siemens.com Thu Mar 23 15:15:32 2006 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter, Christopher) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:15:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] My new/old BX-300E In-Reply-To: <20060323095342.87096.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA0133F169@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> Hello Chris, I have a BX-300 with gear drive and a BX-300E with the "rubber drive". The idler tire in the second one is the original one (!) and must be about 20 years of age. The idler model requires a little tuning on playback torque and the deck must be used at least one hour per month to avoid transport problems, but if these conditions are met it works very fine with the old tire! Yes - the gear drive is a little bit noisier, but you can hear this only when there is absolutely no active sound source around. When doing a fast wind (rew or ff) you'll notice a bigger difference in transport noise, but this also depends much more on the cassette shells. Regards, Christopher -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Chris Mann Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. März 2006 10:54 An: naktalk at naks.com Betreff: [naktalk] My new/old BX-300E Well - it's here. The auction listing said the BX-300E was noisy on rewind so I bid for a new idler tire just after I won the Nak. And, yes, I do really need to fit this ASAP because the noise is one thing but the poor spool take-up is another thing entirely. I've seen the excellent instructions for this job on the 'net and they look clear enough. Are there any other things about disassembling/reassembling the deck I should look out for? Also, I've read that the idler repair is likely to be needed again in 2-3 years (ouch!) so if anyone knows about the BX gear upgrade, who can do it in the UK and how many members of family I'd have to sell to pay for it, I'd be very grateful. Just one thing.. I imagine that when the idler works properly it's almost completely silent. Does the gear upgrade make the transport noisier? From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 23 15:20:12 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <442271C3.7050402@peromarta.org> References: <442271C3.7050402@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <4422AE9C.9020007@rcn.com> Luis Peromarta wrote: > Dear all, > > While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to > realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording > head azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, > to playback head azimuth correction. > > Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any > deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes > recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. > > I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay > anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's > azimuth postion. > > Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for > recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is > play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth > (auto or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording > azimuth to playback head position (auto or user). > > Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but > would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very > convenient. > > Any thoughts on this? My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played back cassettes. Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the other head to match that standard. Which head should serve as the standard? You answered that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for incorrect recordings. Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 23 15:28:55 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:28:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <4422A0E9.7010008@cox.net> References: <200603160827.k2G8RgnC024019@zxe.naks.com> <44223D95.4090606@woods-and-waters.com> <4422A0E9.7010008@cox.net> Message-ID: <4422B0A7.8020609@rcn.com> It's easy to design and build a continuously variable phase control, though the results will vary, audibly, depending on the design approach. Adding distortion is not that simple, because distortion is not a single simple variable. Kermit didn't specify what distortion he was referring to what harmonics and how much of them were generated and what frequency range was affected. In general, Kermit explained how an over-doctored recording was repaired by even more doctoring. I agreed with most of his remarks, but not with his conclusions... So, what else is new? -- Ron Tim Barrett wrote: > Kermit - > > I enjoyed this short course on the perception of sound quality. It's > always instructive to hear the point of view of one who has learned > through experience and who is able to put their experience into good words. > > Your self-built phase/distortion adjustable preamp intrigues me. Not > that I necessarily want one, but I am curious about the design aspects. > How much control does it afford you over phase and distortion, and are > they separably adjustable? > > Tim > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Hey Hey, Ian! >> >> Firstly, let me explain the underlying principles. This is a >> condensation of three years of studio recording engineer training into >> a few words. The term "better" will be used. To spare us from a >> semantic onslaught "better" herewithin means a subjective improvement >> of how the listener perceives the final resulting sound. >> >> Ideally, you begin with a flawless original recording, then transfer >> with quality loss to a flawless copy medium, resulting in a copy >> indistinguishable from the original. How often does this happen in >> real life? Uh, uh, uh...well, uh, er. Not yet. Close a few times, but >> not yet. Ah well. >> >> Alright then, so you have an original that may be perfect or may be >> horrible and you're copying with some loss, hopefully very very >> little, usually onto a copy medium of similar or lower quality; only >> occasionally of higher quality. >> >> What do you do? >> >> You try to get the sound as close to the original as possible. If that >> is inadequate you then try to give the copy as sound that gives the >> listener the sensation that it is exactly as the original, even though >> it may be far different. If that is inadequate you then try to make >> the copy sound pleasing to the listener, even of that sound, >> technically, is very different from the original. Regardless, you want >> the sound to be pleasing to the ear. You have to be able to hear when >> that has been achieved and not necessarily equate that success with >> achieving sonic perfection in situations where that clearly isn't >> achievable. Some recordists can't make this adjustment to their >> thinking. You can, I have faith in you. >> >> Start by replaying the original to as high a quality as practicable, >> adding any needed corrections to the playback during the playback. In >> the case of cassettes you have four choices: 1) Stop by Alex's house >> and let him play it on his Dragon with its auto-azimuth. 2) Stop by >> Gra's house and let him play it on his Pioneer deck with the FLEX >> circuitry. 3) Stop by Bala's house and let him pick out the best of >> his thousand-odd Nakamichi cassette decks to play it on (to get the >> best tone and compatibility). 4) Stop by my house and let me play it >> on my 600-II with hand-tweaked azimuth verified by a combination of >> ear, oscilloscope and correlator. One or all of these alternatives >> will give a playback of the tape as good as the tape is capable of. >> >> Okay then, so if you have a great sounding tape then arguably all you >> have to do is connect a pair of good shunt-shield cables (hint hint) >> from the cassette deck to the ADC, make the digital copy. He shoots, >> he scores. Ah, but what if the tape is truly awful sounding, like a >> high-speed duplicated copy of Toto's "Hydra." And what if your ADC is >> a cheapie piece of garbage, like the "audio in" mini jack of a >> 2000-vintage transparent indigo blue iMac? What now? A straight >> transfer will be awful, right? Right! >> >> OK, you have to make the copy sound -- hold on, here comes that >> dreaded word -- better. Yikes! How? >> >> WARNING! SCIENCE CONTENT: >> >> [We return to the studio for an interlude of music. Cue Orson Welles.] >> Do you know the three philosophies of the sound recorder? >> >> The first: The recorder as documentarian. In other words, it preserves >> what is presented to it without alteration. In this instance, Alex's >> Dragon exemplifies this philosophy by using its auto azimuth to >> achieve perfect playback of the original cassette. >> >> The second: The recorder as flatterer. In other words, it can cover up >> "blemishes" in the sound, or highlight a pleasing aspect of the sound, >> or change the listeners point of view of the sound in a manner that is >> more pleasurable to the listener (this latter instance relates more to >> mic technique). In this instance, Gra's FLEX Pioneer cassette deck >> exemplifies this philosophy by using its FLEX circuitry to restore the >> usual frequency-vs-level characteristic for tapes whose high-frequency >> content falls off prematurely because they have become partially >> erased or were of inferior quality. >> >> The third: The recorder as creator. In other words, it can make new >> sounds that otherwise could not exist without its manipulations. >> Multitrack recorders exemplify this philosophy, but it isn't germane >> to this discussion. >> >> So where does the preamp come into this discussion? It too can serve >> as flatter. How? You can use the pleasant-sounding nonlinearities of a >> valve (pre)amplifier to replace the unpleasant nonlinearities of solid >> state or of subsequent digital recordings, enhancing the sound in the >> process. The ear perceives the even order distortion of valve gear the >> same as it perceives the natural harmonics of a musical instrument, >> thus it can make a recording sound "richer" or "more musical." Of >> course, this is a subtlety. High distortion during a transfer sounds >> horrible regardless. >> >> Interestingly, many studies made over the last several decades >> indicate that the brain uses a different method of perceiving recorded >> music than it does to perceive live music. Recorded music is a >> different experience than live music. One aspect of this is that in >> certain instances, many listeners would perceive a distortionless >> audio system adversely, describing it as lifeless, sterile or >> unnatural. The characteristics of an audio system's distortion can >> affect the listeners' perception of frequency balance, creating the >> impression of increased treble, reduced treble, increased bass, >> reduced bass and so on -- in ways no equalizer ever could. Also, the >> characteristics of an audio system's distortion can affect the >> listeners' perception of dynamics, creating the impression of >> compression even when none is used! Subtle manipulation of distortion >> is the secret tool of choice for top mastering engineers. Such methods >> can achieve the same end result that otherwise would have to be done >> with EQ or compression, without the adverse aspects of those >> processors. In my work I use a special preamp I built that allows me >> to alter its sonic signature by manipulating distortion and phase >> characteristics. It can truly enhance a mediocre source recording. It >> was used on the Nakathon IIIa project, by the way. >> >> So, counterintuitively, a distortionless audio system isn't >> necessarily desirable [despite that this is the stated goal of all >> designers] -- but the sensation (perception) of distortionlessness is! >> And no, this isn't a fancy rationalization for bad-sounding equipment. >> it shows what a chalenge designers face: balancing low distorton with >> the listener's often contradictory perception of the sound of that low >> distortion equipment. Equipment (like Nakamichi cassette decks) that >> attains legendary must-have status has achieved this elusive balance. >> Their designers have learned that the sensible theory that equates >> zero distortion with perfect sound isn't necessarily true. It can >> drive you barking mad! >> >> Clear as mud, right Ian?! >> >> >> >> earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: >> >>> hi Kermit & Bala et al, >>> >>> For the sake of those with a reduced attention span !! >>> >>> Would you kindly rewind & unpack this idea you are on about: ie >>> putting a "preamp in between". >>> >>> In between 'what' is my question? The info and discussion has been >>> ever so slightly cryptic! >>> >>> I assume >> emails> we are talking about transcribing tapes into digi format >>> ......... < apart from sharing with others who dont have tape players >>> or creating a disc for the car .... which also dont have tape players >>> nowadays ....... I wouldnt bother myself ...... in a NAK they'll >>> sound better anyway> >>> >>> So are you discussing the tape outputs to a preamp onto a computer >>> burner or standalone burner or what? >>> >>> I must have blinked as I am not up to speed on this idea ...... and >>> we are only doing this with tubes ..... not trannies? >>> >>> For the sake of the less erudite a little more info please ....... it >>> sounds fun although I no longer have my radford set up or the leak >>> ,........ alas no McIntosh was ever owned by me. Ho hum. >>> >>> peace >>> >>> ianr From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Mar 23 15:43:02 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:43:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My new/old BX-300E In-Reply-To: <20060323095342.87096.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060323095342.87096.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060323094122.01abfee0@psulias.psu.edu> Make sure you catch the little washer/clip that holds the tire hub down. They are REAL hard to find if they fly across the room. Gear upgrade is a big improvement and no noisier than the idler. Not a difficult procedure but it is quite tedious. At 04:53 AM 3/23/2006, you wrote: >Well - it's here. The auction listing said the BX-300E >was noisy on rewind so I bid for a new idler tire just >after I won the Nak. > >And, yes, I do really need to fit this ASAP because >the noise is one thing but the poor spool take-up is >another thing entirely. > >I've seen the excellent instructions for this job on >the 'net and they look clear enough. Are there any >other things about disassembling/reassembling the deck >I should look out for? > >Also, I've read that the idler repair is likely to be >needed again in 2-3 years (ouch!) so if anyone knows >about the BX gear upgrade, who can do it in the UK and >how many members of family I'd have to sell to pay for >it, I'd be very grateful. > >Just one thing.. I imagine that when the idler works >properly it's almost completely silent. Does the gear >upgrade make the transport noisier? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 23 15:53:13 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:53:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Message-ID: Bravo Ron!!!! 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 > >Luis Peromarta wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>playback head azimuth correction. >> >>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >> >>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>azimuth postion. >> >>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth (auto >>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>playback head position (auto or user). >> >>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>convenient. >> >>Any thoughts on this? > >My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >back cassettes. > >Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >other head to match that standard. > >Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >incorrect recordings. > >Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Thu Mar 23 15:57:52 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:57:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <44223D95.4090606@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Bravo kermit I may not agree with everything stated but the read was certainly an enjoyable insight into the proffesional viewpoint! Regards. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 23 March 2006 06:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay Hey Hey, Ian! Firstly, let me explain the underlying principles ------------- From rob at rhoag.com Thu Mar 23 16:02:54 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:02:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <44223D95.4090606@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Dear Kermit: That's a fascinating explination, I can't wait to see how your cassette deck project evolves... also, have you had a chance to copy my Khachaturian disk yet, and can you apply some of your learned principles to it's transfer over to a CD? I would really like to see what you can do with it. Also, what do you think of the DVD audio format? It hasn't really become popular, but it seemed like it has a lot of promise. When I bought my new sound card from Sound Blaster it came with a demo DVD audio disk of music and I was really impressed with it. Doane ------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:18 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay Hey Hey, Ian! Firstly, let me explain the underlying principles. This is a condensation of three years of studio recording engineer training into a few words. The term "better" will be used. To spare us from a semantic onslaught "better" herewithin means a subjective improvement of how the listener perceives the final resulting sound. Ideally, you begin with a flawless original recording, then transfer with quality loss to a flawless copy medium, resulting in a copy indistinguishable from the original. How often does this happen in real life? Uh, uh, uh...well, uh, er. Not yet. Close a few times, but not yet. Ah well. Alright then, so you have an original that may be perfect or may be horrible and you're copying with some loss, hopefully very very little, usually onto a copy medium of similar or lower quality; only occasionally of higher quality. What do you do? You try to get the sound as close to the original as possible. If that is inadequate you then try to give the copy as sound that gives the listener the sensation that it is exactly as the original, even though it may be far different. If that is inadequate you then try to make the copy sound pleasing to the listener, even of that sound, technically, is very different from the original. Regardless, you want the sound to be pleasing to the ear. You have to be able to hear when that has been achieved and not necessarily equate that success with achieving sonic perfection in situations where that clearly isn't achievable. Some recordists can't make this adjustment to their thinking. You can, I have faith in you. Start by replaying the original to as high a quality as practicable, adding any needed corrections to the playback during the playback. In the case of cassettes you have four choices: 1) Stop by Alex's house and let him play it on his Dragon with its auto-azimuth. 2) Stop by Gra's house and let him play it on his Pioneer deck with the FLEX circuitry. 3) Stop by Bala's house and let him pick out the best of his thousand-odd Nakamichi cassette decks to play it on (to get the best tone and compatibility). 4) Stop by my house and let me play it on my 600-II with hand-tweaked azimuth verified by a combination of ear, oscilloscope and correlator. One or all of these alternatives will give a playback of the tape as good as the tape is capable of. Okay then, so if you have a great sounding tape then arguably all you have to do is connect a pair of good shunt-shield cables (hint hint) from the cassette deck to the ADC, make the digital copy. He shoots, he scores. Ah, but what if the tape is truly awful sounding, like a high-speed duplicated copy of Toto's "Hydra." And what if your ADC is a cheapie piece of garbage, like the "audio in" mini jack of a 2000-vintage transparent indigo blue iMac? What now? A straight transfer will be awful, right? Right! OK, you have to make the copy sound -- hold on, here comes that dreaded word -- better. Yikes! How? WARNING! SCIENCE CONTENT: [We return to the studio for an interlude of music. Cue Orson Welles.] Do you know the three philosophies of the sound recorder? The first: The recorder as documentarian. In other words, it preserves what is presented to it without alteration. In this instance, Alex's Dragon exemplifies this philosophy by using its auto azimuth to achieve perfect playback of the original cassette. The second: The recorder as flatterer. In other words, it can cover up "blemishes" in the sound, or highlight a pleasing aspect of the sound, or change the listeners point of view of the sound in a manner that is more pleasurable to the listener (this latter instance relates more to mic technique). In this instance, Gra's FLEX Pioneer cassette deck exemplifies this philosophy by using its FLEX circuitry to restore the usual frequency-vs-level characteristic for tapes whose high-frequency content falls off prematurely because they have become partially erased or were of inferior quality. The third: The recorder as creator. In other words, it can make new sounds that otherwise could not exist without its manipulations. Multitrack recorders exemplify this philosophy, but it isn't germane to this discussion. So where does the preamp come into this discussion? It too can serve as flatter. How? You can use the pleasant-sounding nonlinearities of a valve (pre)amplifier to replace the unpleasant nonlinearities of solid state or of subsequent digital recordings, enhancing the sound in the process. The ear perceives the even order distortion of valve gear the same as it perceives the natural harmonics of a musical instrument, thus it can make a recording sound "richer" or "more musical." Of course, this is a subtlety. High distortion during a transfer sounds horrible regardless. Interestingly, many studies made over the last several decades indicate that the brain uses a different method of perceiving recorded music than it does to perceive live music. Recorded music is a different experience than live music. One aspect of this is that in certain instances, many listeners would perceive a distortionless audio system adversely, describing it as lifeless, sterile or unnatural. The characteristics of an audio system's distortion can affect the listeners' perception of frequency balance, creating the impression of increased treble, reduced treble, increased bass, reduced bass and so on -- in ways no equalizer ever could. Also, the characteristics of an audio system's distortion can affect the listeners' perception of dynamics, creating the impression of compression even when none is used! Subtle manipulation of distortion is the secret tool of choice for top mastering engineers. Such methods can achieve the same end result that otherwise would have to be done with EQ or compression, without the adverse aspects of those processors. In my work I use a special preamp I built that allows me to alter its sonic signature by manipulating distortion and phase characteristics. It can truly enhance a mediocre source recording. It was used on the Nakathon IIIa project, by the way. So, counterintuitively, a distortionless audio system isn't necessarily desirable [despite that this is the stated goal of all designers] -- but the sensation (perception) of distortionlessness is! And no, this isn't a fancy rationalization for bad-sounding equipment. it shows what a chalenge designers face: balancing low distorton with the listener's often contradictory perception of the sound of that low distortion equipment. Equipment (like Nakamichi cassette decks) that attains legendary must-have status has achieved this elusive balance. Their designers have learned that the sensible theory that equates zero distortion with perfect sound isn't necessarily true. It can drive you barking mad! Clear as mud, right Ian?! earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > hi Kermit & Bala et al, > > For the sake of those with a reduced attention span !! > > Would you kindly rewind & unpack this idea you are on about: ie putting > a "preamp in between". > > In between 'what' is my question? The info and discussion has been ever > so slightly cryptic! > > I assume emails> we are talking about transcribing tapes into digi format > ......... < apart from sharing with others who dont have tape players or > creating a disc for the car .... which also dont have tape players > nowadays ....... I wouldnt bother myself ...... in a NAK they'll sound > better anyway> > > So are you discussing the tape outputs to a preamp onto a computer > burner or standalone burner or what? > > I must have blinked as I am not up to speed on this idea ...... and we > are only doing this with tubes ..... not trannies? > > For the sake of the less erudite a little more info please ....... it > sounds fun although I no longer have my radford set up or the leak > ,........ alas no McIntosh was ever owned by me. Ho hum. > > peace > > ianr > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 17:01:53 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:01:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 3. Re: Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <000801c64e7d$1bae3cc0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <20060323160153.94645.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, I have to second your opinion on the Dragon. While the circuit of the NAAC wasn't too complex, the deck wasn't built to the 'anvil' standards of the earlier machines. The suprising fact is that the CR7, is more complex and has more processors then the Dragon, or the ZXL decks! But because they were not pushed to their design limits, they have more longevity in their electronics. Having listened to almost all of them on the same environment and taking my time with each one, I have a small admission to make. There is one deck which I try to make some time for each night. The Nak 600/II. I've personally made this admission to one very experienced Nakker and it kinda caught him by surprise ;) Bala 79Labs Paul Dingle wrote: Hey, Kermit--I have a #5 for you ;-) 5) Stop by any of the 1000's of houses that have a CR-7 and adjust the playback azimuth yourself..... I don't share the veneration of many on the list for the Dragon--too many design flaws that compromise the longterm integrity of the NAAC. (The TD-1200's were a reliability disaster for Nakamichi: the TD-700's by comparison, are built like anvils and run without problem in the harsh automotive environment.) To me, Nakamichi's admission of this came in the form of the later decks and their relative simplicity. As far as I understand it, NAAC is not an active tracking system--does not operate constantly. Manually, my ears have no trouble finding the "right" spot. To me (and to you with you cherished 600II?), elegant, functional simplicity wins hands down every time. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:17:57 -0600 From: "Kermit V. Gray" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <44223D95.4090606 at woods-and-waters.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hey Hey, Ian! Firstly, let me explain the underlying principles. This is a condensation of three years of studio recording engineer training into a few words. The term "better" will be used. To spare us from a semantic onslaught "better" herewithin means a subjective improvement of how the listener perceives the final resulting sound. Ideally, you begin with a flawless original recording, then transfer with quality loss to a flawless copy medium, resulting in a copy indistinguishable from the original. How often does this happen in real life? Uh, uh, uh...well, uh, er. Not yet. Close a few times, but not yet. Ah well. Alright then, so you have an original that may be perfect or may be horrible and you're copying with some loss, hopefully very very little, usually onto a copy medium of similar or lower quality; only occasionally of higher quality. What do you do? You try to get the sound as close to the original as possible. If that is inadequate you then try to give the copy as sound that gives the listener the sensation that it is exactly as the original, even though it may be far different. If that is inadequate you then try to make the copy sound pleasing to the listener, even of that sound, technically, is very different from the original. Regardless, you want the sound to be pleasing to the ear. You have to be able to hear when that has been achieved and not necessarily equate that success with achieving sonic perfection in situations where that clearly isn't achievable. Some recordists can't make this adjustment to their thinking. You can, I have faith in you. Start by replaying the original to as high a quality as practicable, adding any needed corrections to the playback during the playback. In the case of cassettes you have four choices: 1) Stop by Alex's house and let him play it on his Dragon with its auto-azimuth. 2) Stop by Gra's house and let him play it on his Pioneer deck with the FLEX circuitry. 3) Stop by Bala's house and let him pick out the best of his thousand-odd Nakamichi cassette decks to play it on (to get the best tone and compatibility). 4) Stop by my house and let me play it on my 600-II with hand-tweaked azimuth verified by a combination of ear, oscilloscope and correlator. One or all of these alternatives will give a playback of the tape as good as the tape is capable of. Okay then, so if you have a great sounding tape then arguably all you have to do is connect a pair of good shunt-shield cables (hint hint) from the cassette deck to the ADC, make the digital copy. He shoots, he scores. Ah, but what if the tape is truly awful sounding, like a high-speed duplicated copy of Toto's "Hydra." And what if your ADC is a cheapie piece of garbage, like the "audio in" mini jack of a 2000-vintage transparent indigo blue iMac? What now? A straight transfer will be awful, right? Right! OK, you have to make the copy sound -- hold on, here comes that dreaded word -- better. Yikes! How? WARNING! SCIENCE CONTENT: [We return to the studio for an interlude of music. Cue Orson Welles.] Do you know the three philosophies of the sound recorder? The first: The recorder as documentarian. In other words, it preserves what is presented to it without alteration. In this instance, Alex's Dragon exemplifies this philosophy by using its auto azimuth to achieve perfect playback of the original cassette. The second: The recorder as flatterer. In other words, it can cover up "blemishes" in the sound, or highlight a pleasing aspect of the sound, or change the listeners point of view of the sound in a manner that is more pleasurable to the listener (this latter instance relates more to mic technique). In this instance, Gra's FLEX Pioneer cassette deck exemplifies this philosophy by using its FLEX circuitry to restore the usual frequency-vs-level characteristic for tapes whose high-frequency content falls off prematurely because they have become partially erased or were of inferior quality. The third: The recorder as creator. In other words, it can make new sounds that otherwise could not exist without its manipulations. Multitrack recorders exemplify this philosophy, but it isn't germane to this discussion. So where does the preamp come into this discussion? It too can serve as flatter. How? You can use the pleasant-sounding nonlinearities of a valve (pre)amplifier to replace the unpleasant nonlinearities of solid state or of subsequent digital recordings, enhancing the sound in the process. The ear perceives the even order distortion of valve gear the same as it perceives the natural harmonics of a musical instrument, thus it can make a recording sound "richer" or "more musical." Of course, this is a subtlety. High distortion during a transfer sounds horrible regardless. Interestingly, many studies made over the last several decades indicate that the brain uses a different method of perceiving recorded music than it does to perceive live music. Recorded music is a different experience than live music. One aspect of this is that in certain instances, many listeners would perceive a distortionless audio system adversely, describing it as lifeless, sterile or unnatural. The characteristics of an audio system's distortion can affect the listeners' perception of frequency balance, creating the impression of increased treble, reduced treble, increased bass, reduced bass and so on -- in ways no equalizer ever could. Also, the characteristics of an audio system's distortion can affect the listeners' perception of dynamics, creating the impression of compression even when none is used! Subtle manipulation of distortion is the secret tool of choice for top mastering engineers. Such methods can achieve the same end result that otherwise would have to be done with EQ or compression, without the adverse aspects of those processors. In my work I use a special preamp I built that allows me to alter its sonic signature by manipulating distortion and phase characteristics. It can truly enhance a mediocre source recording. It was used on the Nakathon IIIa project, by the way. So, counterintuitively, a distortionless audio system isn't necessarily desirable [despite that this is the stated goal of all designers] -- but the sensation (perception) of distortionlessness is! And no, this isn't a fancy rationalization for bad-sounding equipment. it shows what a chalenge designers face: balancing low distorton with the listener's often contradictory perception of the sound of that low distortion equipment. Equipment (like Nakamichi cassette decks) that attains legendary must-have status has achieved this elusive balance. Their designers have learned that the sensible theory that equates zero distortion with perfect sound isn't necessarily true. It can drive you barking mad! Clear as mud, right Ian?! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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URL: From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Thu Mar 23 18:49:20 2006 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:49:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] To use or not to use Dolby Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3D97658@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Kermit, you are a national treasure of Nak Nation! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:05 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] To use or not to use Dolby Hi Brandon, Brandon White wrote: > Hi. I would love your feedback on the use of Dolby. I think that Dolby > takes away the slightest bit of "air" from the recording. I personally > can live with the hiss. I always found Dolby B to be more transparent > than Dolby C. In my experience, a properly calibrated recorder with correct recording levels will suffer no ill effect sonically with any of the Dolby NR systems. I've used A, B, C, and SR with no perceptible degradation or loss of air. In fact, Dolby can give an improvement in low-level detail. Unfortunately, if the deck isn't properly calibrated, or recording levels aren't set correctly, then the Dolby can ruin the sound. I heard a Dolby CD cassette recently that had calibration which was so fouled up it was unlistenable. Not the Dolby's fault. Once my cassette deck comes out next year, it won't have Dolby, though. I want to avoid the calibration problem (offical reason), the design of the deck will adhere to the "less processing is more transparency" philosophy (advertising copy reason) and I also do not want to have to pay the hefty Dolby licensing fees (the real reason). -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From earthrite at gn.apc.org Thu Mar 23 21:11:33 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:11:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay/take 2 In-Reply-To: <200603231100.k2NB0Ibd019114@zxe.naks.com> References: <200603231100.k2NB0Ibd019114@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: >From: "Kermit V. Gray" > >Hey Hey, Ian! > >Firstly, let me explain the underlying principles. This is a >condensation of SNIP > Clear as mud, right Ian?! My dear brother in sound Thanks for all that ....... yes it is clear..it reminds me of the famous violins like Strads and similar are supposedly so great because of their timbre ..... which in some senses is the end result of whatever design choices ( or even compromises) have been made, cut of the wood, type of wood, type of glue, skill in shaping and forming violin case etc......... all this can be copied by modern craftsmen to no real avail, even if they do... in the process make a wondrous modern violin. I think British hifi design in the 70's made these compromises such as you describe explicitly and began to make components that worked well with particular other componenets even if they didnt make them themselves ..... synergy was popularised as a word and concept around then. The end result was what matters and being skilled or honest about creating a sweet sound or using a analogue or even digi medium for what it can achieve is fine by me. As you say on this forum we know the differrence and are working on it in our own sweet ways. I do find some CD's and musicians/engineers do use the medium fabulously ......... but as someone said recently maybe we are only in the early days of digi recording ......... however I do prefer... for now analogue as far as my ears are concerned but my mind is happy to listen to CD's to pursue new musicians and musical ideas and tastes. I would love to swing by all the houses of Alex, Bala and yourself checking out what your rigs could do for my ears........ and thanks for taking the time for a real sweet reply. Your new tape deck sounds wunderful and I read of its development with excitement for you and all of us tape nuts. After my Ti powerbook screen backlight gave up the ghost recently we have been in email hiatus but we pick up a 17in G4 powerbook in a weeks time direct from Apple in ireland...... no doubt I'll be keen to jump in and participate more after that arrives. At present I have a huge old borrowed screen plugged in the back of the powerbook and use my wifes ancient ibook to write heavens I even used a windows machine I repaired for a few days. peace ianr scotland From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Mar 23 21:14:14 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:14:14 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: My new/old BX-300E Message-ID: <002201c64eb6$5b7d71c0$0201a8c0@lan> Chris, Totally agree with Ron here. I have Naks with both idler and gear drive sets up. No difference in noise level when operating at all. Stick with the tire drive, it is an absolute doddle to change the rubber!. I have now put new rubber in most of mine. I have had a look at the gear drive conversion myself, as I have a parts CR1 and was going to graft the necessary bits into one of my RX202's during a recent service. Whilst doable, I chickened out for the moment as it involves a major strip down of the transport, so just installed a new tire. If you wanted to get it done, B&W would probably do it... Lastly, I fnd no difference in reliability between the two forms of spool drive, other than the life of the tire. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnn380 at comcast.net Thu Mar 23 22:21:15 2006 From: johnn380 at comcast.net (johnn380 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:21:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Favorite Nak to listen too Message-ID: <032320062121.4816.4423114B00060F35000012D02200734076CFC8CC0202080106@comcast.net> I have a 682zx that always gets some play every evening. I smile to myself and can not believe the sound that pours forth...I feel sorry for those who have never experienced it. John -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3. Re: Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:29:43 +0000 Hi Paul, I have to second your opinion on the Dragon. While the circuit of the NAAC wasn't too complex, the deck wasn't built to the 'anvil' standards of the earlier machines. The suprising fact is that the CR7, is more complex and has more processors then the Dragon, or the ZXL decks! But because they were not pushed to their design limits, they have more longevity in their electronics. Having listened to almost all of them on the same environment and taking my time with each one, I have a small admission to make. There is one deck which I try to make some time for each night. The Nak 600/II. I've personally made this admission to one very experienced Nakker and it kinda caught him by surprise ;) Bala 79Labs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3. Re: Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:29:43 +0000 Size: 981 URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 23 23:08:39 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:08:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 3. Re: Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <000801c64e7d$1bae3cc0$8902a8c0@warbird> References: <000801c64e7d$1bae3cc0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <44231C67.7060906@woods-and-waters.com> Oh Paul, yes I should have thought of this! Paul Dingle wrote: > Hey, Kermit--I have a #5 for you ;-) > > 5) Stop by any of the 1000's of houses that have a CR-7 and adjust the > playback azimuth yourself..... > > I don't share the veneration of many on the list for the Dragon--too many > design flaws that compromise the longterm integrity of the NAAC. (The > TD-1200's were a reliability disaster for Nakamichi: the TD-700's by > comparison, are built like anvils and run without problem in the harsh > automotive environment.) To me, Nakamichi's admission of this came in the > form of the later decks and their relative simplicity. > > As far as I understand it, NAAC is not an active tracking system--does not > operate constantly. Manually, my ears have no trouble finding the "right" > spot. > To me (and to you with you cherished 600II?), elegant, functional simplicity > wins hands down every time. I agree wholeheartedly! I have panic attacks at the thought that one day, hopefully one distant day decades from now, my simple-yet-fabulous 500, 550s, 600, and 600-II may no longer be running. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 23 23:23:42 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:23:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <4422A0E9.7010008@cox.net> References: <200603160827.k2G8RgnC024019@zxe.naks.com> <44223D95.4090606@woods-and-waters.com> <4422A0E9.7010008@cox.net> Message-ID: <44231FEE.6090306@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tim, Tim Barrett wrote: > I enjoyed this short course on the perception of sound quality. It's > always instructive to hear the point of view of one who has learned > through experience and who is able to put their experience into good words. > > Your self-built phase/distortion adjustable preamp intrigues me. Not > that I necessarily want one, but I am curious about the design aspects. > How much control does it afford you over phase and distortion, and are > they separably adjustable? The preamp, known as the 77SP (Special Performance) Transfer Preamp, has evolved over the past 28 years. Every parameter is separately adjustable. It has phase adjustable from 0 to 180-degrees, and provides full control of distortion, slewing rate, rise time and transient response plus more subtle aspects of the "tone" of the tubes used. Also features a variable-mu volume limiter, variable screen volume expandor and four different harmonic enhancer methods. And bypassable transformers. Plus a mix-minus style canceller and a shuffler to adjust the width of the stereo image. But no tone controls. Is that wacky or not? And an insert sidechain to add-in a solid state preamp or external processor to add even more variations of tone. It's kept in a locked safe when not in use and not even my college sweetheart/fiancee was allowed to see it in use. Some of its features are being incorporated in several of my new models of studio preamps. I have thought of making new ones for sale but do not know how to write a manual explaining it. It can wreck a recording's sound easier than anything I've seen and definitely teaches you to do all things in moderation. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 23 23:04:30 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:04:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44231B6E.30107@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > That's a fascinating explination, I can't wait to see how your cassette deck > project evolves... The electronics are largely finished, I need to pick out a head design, and I'm working with the subcontractor on its transport. They're having difficulty with my unusual specs for a specific periodicity to the flutter-and-wow but I am confident they will get it right. > also, have you had a chance to copy my Khachaturian disk > yet, and can you apply some of your learned principles to it's transfer over > to a CD? I would really like to see what you can do with it. I'm studying the LP to decide the best approach. Amazing musical performance! Wow! The conductor must have had sweat pouring off him after each session. Also fixing up my best 'table for the transfer to the faithful Nak 600-II: a Yamaha YP-D3 with a rare Klipsch MCZ-2 moving coil. Have to upgrade my stepup device beforehand as well. > Also, what do you think of the DVD audio format? It hasn't really become > popular, but it seemed like it has a lot of promise. When I bought my new > sound card from Sound Blaster it came with a demo DVD audio disk of music > and I was really impressed with it. Capable of great sound but too often the releases are just upsamples of Redbook masters. I prefer SACD myself having recorded two with the amazingly-analog-like Genex 8500 and 9000 recorders. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From henry at privatemail.me.uk Thu Mar 23 23:53:56 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:53:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi guys, I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning to see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few 3 head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 years by B&W - but not the Dragon. Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? I would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask what is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more technical than "it don't work"!! I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads to some reference tape? Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I have not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start to need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so I have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. Thanks Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Bravo Ron!!!! 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 > >Luis Peromarta wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>playback head azimuth correction. >> >>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >> >>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>azimuth postion. >> >>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth (auto >>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>playback head position (auto or user). >> >>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>convenient. >> >>Any thoughts on this? > >My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >back cassettes. > >Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >other head to match that standard. > >Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >incorrect recordings. > >Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 23 22:55:10 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:55:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4423193E.4080004@woods-and-waters.com> Hey there Doug, Doug Locke wrote: > Bravo kermit > > I may not agree with everything stated but the read was certainly an > enjoyable insight into the proffesional viewpoint! That's what makes this business of recording fun. You can get a dozen engineers together in the same room who vehemently disagree with each other on one thing or anotther and yet they all can achieve excellent sound. My purpose was both to explain a point of view and to provoke thought. Hopefully somebody will be inspired to think of an even better approach to things. Let me know, whatever it is! I wanna try it! > Regards. > Doug. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 23 March 2006 06:18 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay > > > Hey Hey, Ian! > > Firstly, let me explain the underlying principles ------------- -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Fri Mar 24 00:18:51 2006 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:18:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c64ed0$25d5a3c0$0302a8c0@markantec> Henry, You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in for a service. And when you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your suspicions - that it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize that (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be similar). For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame at all in taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they might be able to give you some pointers. Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling - tho you know there is a ready market out there! Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Henry Sent: 23 March 2006 22:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Hi guys, I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning to see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few 3 head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 years by B&W - but not the Dragon. Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? I would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask what is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more technical than "it don't work"!! I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads to some reference tape? Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I have not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start to need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so I have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. Thanks Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Bravo Ron!!!! 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 > >Luis Peromarta wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>playback head azimuth correction. >> >>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >> >>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>azimuth postion. >> >>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth (auto >>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>playback head position (auto or user). >> >>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>convenient. >> >>Any thoughts on this? > >My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >back cassettes. > >Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >other head to match that standard. > >Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >incorrect recordings. > >Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 00:37:25 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:37:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060323233725.22720.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your Dragon record head requires - alignment. Since alignment of Naks ( any 3 head Nak) need some important gages and tapes - it cannot be done to that accuracy without them. Secondly even ZX 7 would be expensive to repair if B&W is not going to take up repair work. Dragon is made out to be too complex - by many here without understanding that 1000 ZXL or 700 ZXL requiring components no longer available while Dragon can be repaired as all components are avaialble - fortunately B&W will repair them for some more time. Like many other Naks like 670 or 600, Dragon requires maintanence if not regulary used or used under high humidity and heat like in India. Fortunately I find many nakkers here in this forum have required gages and expertise in repairing Naks and that is quite positive. So do not blame Dragon alone - infact if it works I have seen many working for years without needing any service. Infact CR 7 Motors can go south or its capstan belt may require replacement more often than Dragon! Only known issue with Dragon is Orange Cap problem or needing lubrication/ replacement of few parts Kannan Henry wrote: Hi guys, I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning to see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few 3 head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 years by B&W - but not the Dragon. Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? I would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask what is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more technical than "it don't work"!! I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads to some reference tape? Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I have not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start to need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so I have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. Thanks Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Bravo Ron!!!! 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 > >Luis Peromarta wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>playback head azimuth correction. >> >>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >> >>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>azimuth postion. >> >>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth (auto >>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>playback head position (auto or user). >> >>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>convenient. >> >>Any thoughts on this? > >My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >back cassettes. > >Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >other head to match that standard. > >Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >incorrect recordings. > >Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. 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Now as far as the tapes and gauges--and the other thing that wasn't mentioned for the zxl type decks, namely the fancy switch box used to latch the logic in a particular state--and parts... is there a consensus (and ideally a list) of what they are, what they're used for, and more important, availability and cost estimates? I realize availability in general is low, but within that range...same with parts like, say, new heads for zxl decks. I know there's a guy on ebay that sells a lot of Nak stuff, but his prices seem a bit on the high side--although if they just aren't available, well, they just aren't. I don't know about all of them--but when the azimuth screwdriver (which is in a kit that I have with the 1000zxl) that looks like just a plastic flat-head screwdriver is $90...well, it just seems steep.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Mar 24 01:44:35 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:44:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak.Spare Parts question Message-ID: need to ask a question so i haqve the information to make the right decision). I bought three excellent condition working Nakamichi units so i would be able to have two in play and one to switch if another unit become defective, or to keep as a spare parts machine.My question is how do you approach the spare parts issue? Many of you with rare and expensiive Dragonns, Cr-7's and Zx-9's- how do you prepare for the supply of spare parts? I know heads can be relape and that Caps and resistors can be repaired. Its also a concern for the replace issues of belts tire and gears. Should one keep a working spare unit or do you think parts machines will become increasingly aavailable as Naks begin to exhaust their life expectancy? I could sure gain from selling one of my nak working parts units. -- From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 03:33:33 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:33:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <20060323233725.22720.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060324023333.10540.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan, The suprising fact is that the complexity increases from the ZXL to the Dragon to the CR7. Of these, the ZXL machines contain only 2 processors. The CR7, contains 5. I perceive this longevity issue to be as touchy as sound quality. I have seen Dragons survive rough conditions and mis-treatment. The key issue now we come to is maintaince. When I bought one of my ZXLs, which was in a warehouse for 15 years, it wouldn't turn on. Turned out, a single cap and blown causing the power supply to short. One cap and two transistors later, the 1000ZXL was in full blown action with every single function working. All my three 1000ZXLs have their original computers functioning. I am sometimes beginning to feel that this fragility of the machines was a myth. But with boards spread out, and neatly laid out, I really like the effort taken to construct these decks. To date, I know of 5 1000ZXLs that are perfectly funtioning in India. Once again, I feel that every deck will perform well, if proper maintainence and regular use is given. Even the venerable 600 also has some problem. But hey, I think it would have worked in the moon with no issues. :) Good Day, Bala 79Labs kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Your Dragon record head requires - alignment. Since alignment of Naks ( any 3 head Nak) need some important gages and tapes - it cannot be done to that accuracy without them. Secondly even ZX 7 would be expensive to repair if B&W is not going to take up repair work. Dragon is made out to be too complex - by many here without understanding that 1000 ZXL or 700 ZXL requiring components no longer available while Dragon can be repaired as all components are avaialble - fortunately B&W will repair them for some more time. Like many other Naks like 670 or 600, Dragon requires maintanence if not regulary used or used under high humidity and heat like in India. Fortunately I find many nakkers here in this forum have required gages and expertise in repairing Naks and that is quite positive. So do not blame Dragon alone - infact if it works I have seen many working for years without needing any service. Infact CR 7 Motors can go south or its cap! stan belt may require replacement more often than Dragon! Only known issue with Dragon is Orange Cap problem or needing lubrication/ replacement of few parts Kannan Henry wrote: Hi guys, I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning to see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few 3 head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 years by B&W - but not the Dragon. Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? I would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask what is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more technical than "it don't work"!! I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads to some reference tape? Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I have not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start to need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or la! ter) its going to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so I have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. Thanks Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Bravo Ron!!!! 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 > >Luis Peromarta wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>playback head azimuth correction. >> >>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >> >&g! t;I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>azimuth postion. >> >>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth (auto >>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>playback head position (auto or user). >> >>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>convenient. >> >>Any thoughts on this? > >My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >back cassettes. > >Nak's solution wa! s to adjust one head in the lab to >an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >other head to match that standard. > >Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >incorrect recordings. > >Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. 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URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Mar 24 04:13:34 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:13:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment References: Message-ID: <001f01c64ef0$f10ff430$88d017c4@home> Henry,keep the thing once it is serviced.With time you will see why.You wont believe how often I take the tape out of the CR7's and put it in one of the Dragons(Sank calibrated ones)Classical music sounds better to my ear on a Dragon.For jazz and other simliar loud music go for CR7.Maybe I am old fashioned. My ha-pence worth. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > Hi guys, > > I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and > knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning > to > see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few > 3 > head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service > history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all > but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it > perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in > any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. > All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 > years by B&W - but not the Dragon. > Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon > has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just > with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? > I > would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask > what > is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more > technical than "it don't work"!! > I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads > to > some reference tape? > > Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record > head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth > adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I > have > not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start > to > need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going > to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I > prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so > I > have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. > > Thanks > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Bravo Ron!!!! > > 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" > the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by > Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the > "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. > > For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes > recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 >> >>Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>Dear all, >>> >>>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>>playback head azimuth correction. >>> >>>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >>> >>>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>>azimuth postion. >>> >>>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth >>>(auto >>>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>>playback head position (auto or user). >>> >>>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>>convenient. >>> >>>Any thoughts on this? >> >>My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >>guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >>back cassettes. >> >>Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >>an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >>other head to match that standard. >> >>Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >>that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >>advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >>making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >>adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >>incorrect recordings. >> >>Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >>against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >>but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >>Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. >> >>-- Ron >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 09:07:37 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:07:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <44231FEE.6090306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060324080737.2268.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kerm, I think its better you sell it to competent and serious people and offer them training on using it. IF you ever intend to make it into a product. Otherwise, some over-confident engineer would mis-use it and blame you! Bala 79Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Tim, Tim Barrett wrote: > I enjoyed this short course on the perception of sound quality. It's > always instructive to hear the point of view of one who has learned > through experience and who is able to put their experience into good words. > > Your self-built phase/distortion adjustable preamp intrigues me. Not > that I necessarily want one, but I am curious about the design aspects. > How much control does it afford you over phase and distortion, and are > they separably adjustable? The preamp, known as the 77SP (Special Performance) Transfer Preamp, has evolved over the past 28 years. Every parameter is separately adjustable. It has phase adjustable from 0 to 180-degrees, and provides full control of distortion, slewing rate, rise time and transient response plus more subtle aspects of the "tone" of the tubes used. Also features a variable-mu volume limiter, variable screen volume expandor and four different harmonic enhancer methods. And bypassable transformers. Plus a mix-minus style canceller and a shuffler to adjust the width of the stereo image. But no tone controls. Is that wacky or not? And an insert sidechain to add-in a solid state preamp or external processor to add even more variations of tone. It's kept in a locked safe when not in use and not even my college sweetheart/fiancee was allowed to see it in use. Some of its features are being incorporated in several of my new models of studio preamps. I have thought of making new ones for sale but do not know how to write a manual explaining it. It can wreck a recording's sound easier than anything I've seen and definitely teaches you to do all things in moderation. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 09:16:56 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:16:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Favorite Nak to listen too In-Reply-To: <032320062121.4816.4423114B00060F35000012D02200734076CFC8CC0202080106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060324081656.13971.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi John, The 682zx is a beautiful deck. My dad simply loves it more then anything else. I guess it becomes a touchy subject about which Nak sounds best. But our favourite Nak? Thats an easy and interesting one. The 68x-ZX series gave me my first glimps at the potential cassettes have. Even today, many Naka decks fall below the par set by this series. And its simplicity and reliability relative to its performace is mind boggling. Enjoy my friend. Like the others who told me how a Nak had touched their souls, you too have made my day. Bala 79Labs johnn380 at comcast.net wrote: I have a 682zx that always gets some play every evening. I smile to myself and can not believe the sound that pours forth...I feel sorry for those who have never experienced it. John -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3. Re: Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:29:43 +0000 Hi Paul, I have to second your opinion on the Dragon. While the circuit of the NAAC wasn't too complex, the deck wasn't built to the 'anvil' standards of the earlier machines. The suprising fact is that the CR7, is more complex and has more processors then the Dragon, or the ZXL decks! But because they were not pushed to their design limits, they have more longevity in their electronics. Having listened to almost all of them on the same environment and taking my time with each one, I have a small admission to make. There is one deck which I try to make some time for each night. The Nak 600/II. I've personally made this admission to one very experienced Nakker and it kinda caught him by surprise ;) Bala 79Labs From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3. Re: Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:29:43 +0000 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 09:39:28 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:39:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <4642E2DB-4EB8-4FA1-BCE2-6DE9C856937A@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060324083928.50931.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, and the rest, The ZXL decks were made using blocks of simpler circuits to do the seemingly complex functions. The general consensus among many who have worked with cassette decks is this. A good set of cal tapes and good instruments are all that you need to get the decks in specs. One of our members, has actually attended a Nakamichi training program and has been certified. And he tells me, its ok, you do not need the jigs! If you are changing the heads, the jigs makes it easy. But with a good set of heads, they generally do not go out of alignment to necessitate the jigs. New heads may only be had from cannibalized decks I'm afraid. The majority of the older decks used 4000 series 12v CMOS ICs which are still available. They may be a little harder to source then TTL devices though. I have seen decks that have catacalysmic failures in which a dozen ICs need changing. The computers in the ZXL system, are also prone to failure, due partly to design and to age. For these two reasons, I am offering replacement boards. The replacement boards for the 1000ZXL, by the way, are due in Q3-2006. I am not too sure how to give a cost estimate for these parts. But I know that parts for Nakamichi decks have been blown out of proportion thanks to some. I am glad that some individuals are going againt this tide to slash the price of parts and service. They offer their goods here which is of good quality and reliable origin. Some also have put an element of doubt into how easily Nakamichi decks can be serviced and repaired without dishing out huge amounts. For this, I wish to point out that even Antoine, who is half the age of some Nakkers can work on his machines. It isn't complex, it isnt expensive. Bala 79Labs "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Dragon is made out to be too complex - by many here without understanding that 1000 ZXL or 700 ZXL requiring components no longer available while Dragon can be repaired as all components are avaialble As I may have previously mentioned, the tech that worked on my 1000zxl decks said the Dragon was easy compared to that. Now as far as the tapes and gauges--and the other thing that wasn't mentioned for the zxl type decks, namely the fancy switch box used to latch the logic in a particular state--and parts... is there a consensus (and ideally a list) of what they are, what they're used for, and more important, availability and cost estimates? I realize availability in general is low, but within that range...same with parts like, say, new heads for zxl decks. I know there's a guy on ebay that sells a lot of Nak stuff, but his prices seem a bit on the high side--although if they just aren't available, well, they just aren't. I don't know about all of them--but when the azimuth screwdriver (which is in a kit that I have with the 1000zxl) that looks like just a plastic flat-head screwdriver is $90...well, it just seems steep.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 24 10:12:19 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:12:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizing cassettes Message-ID: <20060324091219.21408.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> A long time ago I had a hand-held demagnetizer which was useful because my cassette desk had a removable door. Then I had decks where this wasn't possible so I bought a Maxell HE44 demagnetizing cassette. I've used it periodically with my old Aiwa AD-WX929 and always been pleased with the results. Now I've got a Nak BX-300E stting at home, something tells me it's time I bought another hand-held demagnetizer because I don't think that the contact pad on the Maxell demag cassette would sit properly on the Nak PB head. Any thoughts on demagnetizing a 3-header? From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Mar 24 10:29:46 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:29:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Favorite Nak to listen too Message-ID: Bala and John - Howzit!! I have a 682ZX too - for me the 680 series represent, perhaps not the ultimate technical achievement of Nakmachi, but they seem to encompass or embody the character of Nakamichi more than any other. I cannot put my finger specific reason for thinking that really. It is simply a beautiful, durable, untemperamental machine that unfailingly delivers spine-tingling performance. I am very lucky to both own one and to have the awareness to appreciate it. Cheers all, Marc >>> bg3009 at yahoo.com 3/24/2006 10:16:56 AM >>> Hi John, The 682zx is a beautiful deck. My dad simply loves it more then anything else. I guess it becomes a touchy subject about which Nak sounds best. But our favourite Nak? Thats an easy and interesting one. The 68x-ZX series gave me my first glimps at the potential cassettes have. Even today, many Naka decks fall below the par set by this series. And its simplicity and reliability relative to its performace is mind boggling. Enjoy my friend. Like the others who told me how a Nak had touched their souls, you too have made my day. Bala 79Labs johnn380 at comcast.net wrote: I have a 682zx that always gets some play every evening. I smile to myself and can not believe the sound that pours forth...I feel sorry for those who have never experienced it. John -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3. Re: Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:29:43 +0000 Hi Paul, I have to second your opinion on the Dragon. While the circuit of the NAAC wasn't too complex, the deck wasn't built to the 'anvil' standards of the earlier machines. The suprising fact is that the CR7, is more complex and has more processors then the Dragon, or the ZXL decks! But because they were not pushed to their design limits, they have more longevity in their electronics. Having listened to almost all of them on the same environment and taking my time with each one, I have a small admission to make. There is one deck which I try to make some time for each night. The Nak 600/II. I've personally made this admission to one very experienced Nakker and it kinda caught him by surprise ;) Bala 79Labs From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3. 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From N4229K at aol.com Fri Mar 24 11:30:25 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:30:25 EST Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 clear plasic Lens needed Message-ID: <26c.8459934.31552441@aol.com> Hi I am looking for a lens for a Nak RX-202. Does anyone know a source or have one for sale? I actually need 3 if that is possible. I have 3 beautiful decks I have restored but the lens is the only part I don't have spares of. I appreciate this site and all the help plus interesting conversations. Buy the way I do have idler tires for all RX series decks which fit many more Nak models with idler tires. Keep up the good work! Regards, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Keep up the good work! Regards, Dean ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugue4all at shaw.ca Fri Mar 24 14:14:19 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:14:19 -0500 Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 37, Issue 49 Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <200603240813.k2O8DwnJ023781@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001601c64f44$dc00d3d0$8902a8c0@warbird> You know, it's interesting to hear the discussion re favourite decks. Many of the decks we cherish are 25 or more years old and are functioning well--that is a testament to their engineering. As a musician, I am endlessly fascinated by the very personal issue of colour--as Nakkers, we already appreciate the colour of analog sound--but even here there is a huge variance in its aesthetic quality from deck to deck model. Interesting side note on the Stradavarius violins mentioned in a previous posting: for years, many attempts have been made to duplicate these instruments (including the equally exquisite Guaneri and Amati instruments), but none of them were as profound in size and texture of sound. Some thought the secret was in the chemistry of the varnish, some the composition of the strings. I talked to a molecular biologist, and it was pointed out that (to his mind) the secret was in the molecular lattice of the wood itself. The timber stands surrounding Cremona were pollution-free and sitting for about 700 years when the violin makers were harvesting in that time. No more wood left like that anymore.... Like fine wine, cuisine, musical instruments and Nakamichis, it's all in the materials. ;-) Best to all, Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release Date: 3/23/2006 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 16:53:23 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:53:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 37, Issue 49 Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <001601c64f44$dc00d3d0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <20060324155323.4194.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, A very beautiful testament indeed to the efforts by Nakamichi and sons. In a Science Digest issue of 1985, it was said that the secret of Stradivarius violins was in the planing of the wood such that the fibre density was kept even. They had examined the wood careful and had planed the more denser areas to ensure that the wood had even density. The article goes on to state that when restorers tried to plane the wood down to a even finish, they ruin the sound. I feel Nakamichi had pushed cassette tape to its near limits while paying attention to detail. And the level of insistance they had is paying off for all of us Nakkers 1/4 centuary later. Bala 79Labs Paul Dingle wrote: You know, it's interesting to hear the discussion re favourite decks. Many of the decks we cherish are 25 or more years old and are functioning well--that is a testament to their engineering. As a musician, I am endlessly fascinated by the very personal issue of colour--as Nakkers, we already appreciate the colour of analog sound--but even here there is a huge variance in its aesthetic quality from deck to deck model. Interesting side note on the Stradavarius violins mentioned in a previous posting: for years, many attempts have been made to duplicate these instruments (including the equally exquisite Guaneri and Amati instruments), but none of them were as profound in size and texture of sound. Some thought the secret was in the chemistry of the varnish, some the composition of the strings. I talked to a molecular biologist, and it was pointed out that (to his mind) the secret was in the molecular lattice of the wood itself. The timber stands surrounding Cremona were pollution-free and sitting for about 700 years when the violin makers were harvesting in that time. No more wood left like that anymore.... Like fine wine, cuisine, musical instruments and Nakamichis, it's all in the materials. ;-) Best to all, Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release Date: 3/23/2006 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Fri Mar 24 18:00:03 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:00:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizing cassettes References: <20060324091219.21408.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <097d01c64f64$6530f8f0$6801a8c0@Rondo> Chris, I don't think the little cassette type de-maggers are strong enough, and, they don't address magnetism on the capstans or tape guides. I bought a fantastic demagnetizer from www.usrecordingmedia.com I had been using a handheld RadShack unit, but based on someone's observation here that most of these are not strong enough I went ahead and got a good one. When you plug it in and use it, you can feel the power that it has. Highly recommended! Ron W. Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizing cassettes A long time ago I had a hand-held demagnetizer which was useful because my cassette desk had a removable door. Then I had decks where this wasn't possible so I bought a Maxell HE44 demagnetizing cassette. I've used it periodically with my old Aiwa AD-WX929 and always been pleased with the results. Now I've got a Nak BX-300E stting at home, something tells me it's time I bought another hand-held demagnetizer because I don't think that the contact pad on the Maxell demag cassette would sit properly on the Nak PB head. Any thoughts on demagnetizing a 3-header? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at privatemail.me.uk Fri Mar 24 18:55:03 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:55:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <000001c64ed0$25d5a3c0$0302a8c0@markantec> Message-ID: Mark, I have taken your advice and the Dragon will go in for service next month. As I stated I feel I will sell the Dragon when it is returned, for the following reasons: I have 19 Naks on display and connected to a switching unit, I have only one spare position left and 6 more machines stored in the garage! I have no intention of leaving any machines stored - such a shame! they need to do what they were designed for - produce fine music! and they wont do that in a cold garage in Essex! I have been using all the Naks over the last few months and have definite favourites, 600II for Dolby b playback. ZX7 & 9 for recording and Dolby c playback. I have a soft spot for the 68XX series machines, as others have said, there is a simplicity about them that oozes reassurance! The CR series decks have a different sound to them (to my ears anyway!). and the Dragon is over-complicated, I have no use for the auto-reverse feature or the auto playback head azimuth, although I cant fault its playback ability. The machines carrying the newer mechs don't inspire confidence? So the CR7, Dragon, Cassette deck series, BX300 and the DR series are to go! Hopefully I can keep the remaining machines in good order, when B&W close? well that's another day! I know that it will always be possible but it will involve relying on having mechanical parts manufactured and electronics reworked using available components. So costs will be high! I restore old cars as a hobby and I KNOW that if there is a part that is not available You can ALWAYS get it made up - at a cost! Thanks Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: 23 March 2006 23:19 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Henry, You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in for a service. And when you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your suspicions - that it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize that (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be similar). For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame at all in taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they might be able to give you some pointers. Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling - tho you know there is a ready market out there! Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Henry Sent: 23 March 2006 22:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Hi guys, I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning to see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few 3 head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 years by B&W - but not the Dragon. Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? I would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask what is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more technical than "it don't work"!! I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads to some reference tape? Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I have not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start to need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so I have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. Thanks Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Bravo Ron!!!! 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 > >Luis Peromarta wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>playback head azimuth correction. >> >>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >> >>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>azimuth postion. >> >>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth (auto >>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>playback head position (auto or user). >> >>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>convenient. >> >>Any thoughts on this? > >My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >back cassettes. > >Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >other head to match that standard. > >Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >incorrect recordings. > >Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 24 20:32:03 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:32:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <000001c64ed0$25d5a3c0$0302a8c0@markantec> Message-ID: If you call, Henry, you'll most likely end up speaking to Paul Wilkinson himself. He's an upright guy. No messing about or sly tricks with Paul, and he's very reasonable with the pricing, too. He seems most unwilling to take advantage of his European wide monopoly. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: 23 March 2006 23:19 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Henry, You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in for a service. And when you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your suspicions - that it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize that (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be similar). For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame at all in taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they might be able to give you some pointers. Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling - tho you know there is a ready market out there! Mark From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 24 20:32:05 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:32:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak.Spare Parts question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sadly, I don't think parts machines will become increasingly available as the stocks held by ESL or B&W, and their like, begin to dwindle. Rather, I imagine many/most machines that break down will be junked. Some companies (such as B&W) may be happy to keep hold of machines that they cannot repair as a source of spares. I'm sure they'd be delighted to take in any unwanted ZXLs, for a start, always provided they got them free! But your average tech isn't going to want to fill out valuable storage space with a pile of dead Nakamichi's unless he's sure of moving the spare parts for a good profit. BTW, I hear that B&W are now taking a similar line to ESL with regard to some spare parts in that they won't supply them for DIYers. They'll only part with for repairs/service done in house and, in exceptional cases, to some ex-Nakamichi engineers. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jerryjg Sent: 24 March 2006 00:45 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak.Spare Parts question need to ask a question so i haqve the information to make the right decision). I bought three excellent condition working Nakamichi units so i would be able to have two in play and one to switch if another unit become defective, or to keep as a spare parts machine.My question is how do you approach the spare parts issue? Many of you with rare and expensiive Dragonns, Cr-7's and Zx-9's- how do you prepare for the supply of spare parts? I know heads can be relape and that Caps and resistors can be repaired. Its also a concern for the replace issues of belts tire and gears. Should one keep a working spare unit or do you think parts machines will become increasingly aavailable as Naks begin to exhaust their life expectancy? I could sure gain from selling one of my nak working parts units. -- From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 24 16:39:04 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:39:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] My new/old BX-300E In-Reply-To: <20060323095342.87096.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060324093904.008219a0@earthlink.net> This is my opinion about the "upgrade": Don't do it. If you measure the wow/flutter of the original idler tire mech, it will always meet spec. If you measure the revised gear drive, it will be above spec, but most important, flutter is the dominant speed variation. The flutter is high enough to be audible! Replacement tires are readily available and easy to change. Buy a small supply and enjoy the deck as it was designed...or save up for an LX 3 ! tom brucker At 09:53 AM 3/23/06 +0000, you wrote: >Well - it's here. The auction listing said the BX-300E >was noisy on rewind so I bid for a new idler tire just >after I won the Nak. > >And, yes, I do really need to fit this ASAP because >the noise is one thing but the poor spool take-up is >another thing entirely. > >I've seen the excellent instructions for this job on >the 'net and they look clear enough. Are there any >other things about disassembling/reassembling the deck >I should look out for? > >Also, I've read that the idler repair is likely to be >needed again in 2-3 years (ouch!) so if anyone knows >about the BX gear upgrade, who can do it in the UK and >how many members of family I'd have to sell to pay for >it, I'd be very grateful. > >Just one thing.. I imagine that when the idler works >properly it's almost completely silent. Does the gear >upgrade make the transport noisier? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 24 21:10:45 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:10:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060324141045.00824cc0@earthlink.net> I too do not buy into the concept of adjusting the play head phase while playing, as the Dragon does. Music in real spaces can have phase differences. Imagine sitting left of center. The Dragon would move you back to center (well in concept anyway). There is always a need for a reference. Nakamichi required the US service centers to purchase $450 sets of alignment tapes and $800 head alignment jigs. With these in hand, every deck from the 250 to the Dragon can be properly aligned. If you opt for alignment, as questions about the tapes and jigs used. PB frequency response in 700 and 1000 machines that need head relapping can only be done with the Nakamichi 20kHz alignment tape. BTW, it is this tape that causes the controversy because the Philips PB spec only went out to 15kHz. tom brucker At 10:53 PM 3/23/06 -0000, you wrote: >Hi guys, > >I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and >knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning to >see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few 3 >head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service >history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all >but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it >perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in >any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. >All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 >years by B&W - but not the Dragon. >Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon >has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just >with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? I >would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask what >is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more >technical than "it don't work"!! >I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads to >some reference tape? > >Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record >head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth >adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I have >not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start to >need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going >to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I >prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so I >have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. > >Thanks >Henry > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > >Bravo Ron!!!! > >100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" >the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by >Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the >"Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. > >For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes >recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 >> >>Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>Dear all, >>> >>>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>>playback head azimuth correction. >>> >>>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >>> >>>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>>azimuth postion. >>> >>>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth (auto >>>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>>playback head position (auto or user). >>> >>>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>>convenient. >>> >>>Any thoughts on this? >> >>My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >>guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >>back cassettes. >> >>Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >>an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >>other head to match that standard. >> >>Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >>that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >>advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >>making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >>adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >>incorrect recordings. >> >>Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >>against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >>but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >>Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. >> >>-- Ron >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 21:16:31 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:16:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060324201631.59854.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes Graham is right! It is a pleasure dealing with Paul - when you contact through email- he is fantastic with his response. B&W is extremley reasonable. Lot of naktalkers do not understand that time spent on Nak repair costs money - as well as keeping repair shop and people to manage. Also look at the gages and alignment tapes + scope etc. It is going to cost mooney to repair or do a maintanence work on any nak. Does it costs less to service a Revox? ( frankly I do not know) kannan Nelson wrote: If you call, Henry, you'll most likely end up speaking to Paul Wilkinson himself. He's an upright guy. No messing about or sly tricks with Paul, and he's very reasonable with the pricing, too. He seems most unwilling to take advantage of his European wide monopoly. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: 23 March 2006 23:19 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Henry, You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in for a service. And when you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your suspicions - that it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize that (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be similar). For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame at all in taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they might be able to give you some pointers. Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling - tho you know there is a ready market out there! Mark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 24 22:08:52 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:08:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizing cassettes In-Reply-To: <20060324091219.21408.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060324091219.21408.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44245FE4.10809@woods-and-waters.com> Hi(gh) Chris, Chris Mann wrote: > A long time ago I had a hand-held demagnetizer which > was useful because my cassette desk had a removable > door. > > Then I had decks where this wasn't possible so I > bought a Maxell HE44 demagnetizing cassette. I've used > it periodically with my old Aiwa AD-WX929 and always > been pleased with the results. > > Now I've got a Nak BX-300E stting at home, something > tells me it's time I bought another hand-held > demagnetizer because I don't think that the contact > pad on the Maxell demag cassette would sit properly on > the Nak PB head. > > Any thoughts on demagnetizing a 3-header? I'd grab an Annis Han D Mag and enjoy! You might want to read the following brief white paper on the topic of demagnetizing. http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 24 22:10:48 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:10:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] My new/old BX-300E In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060324093904.008219a0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060324093904.008219a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44246058.7070909@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom! Hi Tech wrote: > This is my opinion about the "upgrade": > Don't do it. If you measure the wow/flutter of the original idler tire > mech, it will always meet spec. If you measure the revised gear drive, it > will be above spec, but most important, flutter is the dominant speed > variation. The flutter is high enough to be audible! Wow! I didn't know this! Thanks! I'm having my apprentice Daniel fix my BX-2 and had contemplated the gear mod, but I'll have Daniel put in an idler I bought. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 24 22:27:37 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:27:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <20060324080737.2268.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060324080737.2268.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44246449.1080905@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I think its better you sell it to competent and serious people > and offer them training on using it. IF you ever intend to make it into > a product. Otherwise, some over-confident engineer would mis-use it and > blame you! That was my instinct. Also the controls tend to interact rather severely. Probably would need to redo some of the controls before I'd contemplate selling a copy. It is in some ways a messy design, one mod atop another mod atop work-around. Definitely I need to update its gain proc because the diodes in the 6SQ7 duplex diode triode lack the high perveance of something like the 6AL5 or 6AV6. Better yet I should take the gain proc out; I've used it only a few times over the last 28 years. I made it for my personal use only so I wasn't meticulous on its design. It was all about the sound, not convenience or elegance. I'm contemplating staging the first-ever public appearance of the 77SP during the Naka-vention. If not that, then a demo of a Stentorian, a combo studio mic preamp, direct box, and re-amp (with gain proc) that has some of the 77SP's features. (Ack, it just occurred to me -- the Stentorian also uses 6SQ7. I smell a model upgrade coming.) This would be a good demo to avid recordists of how a preamp can enhance a recording. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Mar 24 22:29:47 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:29:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060324141045.00824cc0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060324141045.00824cc0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <442464CB.5080901@cox.net> Tom - The Dragon doesn't compare left and right channels for phase info when adjusting the azimuth. It's playback head is special - the right channel part of the head is split into two miniature heads. The Dragon compares the phase info from these two right channel heads (and the info should be identical) and adjusts the head azimuth until the phasing agrees. The output from both right channel heads is summed for the audio output. The phase differences between the left and right channels are preserved. Tim Hi Tech wrote: >I too do not buy into the concept of adjusting the play head phase while >playing, as the Dragon does. Music in real spaces can have phase >differences. Imagine sitting left of center. The Dragon would move you back >to center (well in concept anyway). > There is always a need for a reference. Nakamichi required the US >service centers to purchase $450 sets of alignment tapes and $800 head >alignment jigs. With these in hand, every deck from the 250 to the Dragon >can be properly aligned. If you opt for alignment, as questions about the >tapes and jigs used. PB frequency response in 700 and 1000 machines that >need head relapping can only be done with the Nakamichi 20kHz alignment >tape. BTW, it is this tape that causes the controversy because the Philips >PB spec only went out to 15kHz. > >tom brucker > >At 10:53 PM 3/23/06 -0000, you wrote: > > >>Hi guys, >> >>I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and >>knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning to >>see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few 3 >>head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service >>history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all >>but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it >>perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in >>any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. >>All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 >>years by B&W - but not the Dragon. >>Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon >>has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just >>with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? I >>would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask what >>is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more >>technical than "it don't work"!! >>I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads to >>some reference tape? >> >>Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record >>head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth >>adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I have >>not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start to >>need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going >>to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I >>prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so I >>have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. >> >>Thanks >>Henry >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Alex Cozac >>Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >> >> >>Bravo Ron!!!! >> >>100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" >>the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by >>Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the >>"Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. >> >>For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes >>recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Ron >>>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >>>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 >>> >>>Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Dear all, >>>> >>>>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>>>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>>>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>>>playback head azimuth correction. >>>> >>>>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>>>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>>>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >>>> >>>>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>>>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>>>azimuth postion. >>>> >>>>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>>>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>>>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth (auto >>>>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>>>playback head position (auto or user). >>>> >>>>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>>>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>>>convenient. >>>> >>>>Any thoughts on this? >>>> >>>> >>>My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >>>guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >>>back cassettes. >>> >>>Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >>>an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >>>other head to match that standard. >>> >>>Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >>>that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >>>advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >>>making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >>>adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >>>incorrect recordings. >>> >>>Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >>>against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >>>but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >>>Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From henry at privatemail.me.uk Fri Mar 24 22:36:54 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:36:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <20060324201631.59854.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Graham and Gra', I also think B&W prices are reasonable, my dad had a ZX7 repaired (Bias oscillator shot) and a full service early last year for less than £200.00 including all belts, pinch roller guides and the idler wheel and tyre. I thought the parts prices very reasonable as well. I can answer your "Does it cost more to service a Revox?" Because dad also had one done recently by an authorised UK Revox tech. The service on a B77 II itself is about the same as B&W charged for the ZX7 , parts are a different matter! a new VU meter cost £80.00 new pb and rec heads - around £180.00 each. the only (counter) belt about £8.00. and so on! All parts are still available though. To do a total refurb to bring it back to "as new" around £850.00 !! Seems a lot but then what price do you put on owning an "as new" quality R to R recorder with the Revox pedigree?? both B77 and ZX7 are, overall, such sweet recorders!! Thanks Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 24 March 2006 20:17 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Yes Graham is right! It is a pleasure dealing with Paul - when you contact through email- he is fantastic with his response. B&W is extremley reasonable. Lot of naktalkers do not understand that time spent on Nak repair costs money - as well as keeping repair shop and people to manage. Also look at the gages and alignment tapes + scope etc. It is going to cost mooney to repair or do a maintanence work on any nak. Does it costs less to service a Revox? ( frankly I do not know) kannan Nelson wrote: If you call, Henry, you'll most likely end up speaking to Paul Wilkinson himself. He's an upright guy. No messing about or sly tricks with Paul, and he's very reasonable with the pricing, too. He seems most unwilling to take advantage of his European wide monopoly. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: 23 March 2006 23:19 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Henry, You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in for a service. And when you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your suspicions - that it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize that (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be similar). For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame at all in taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they might be able to give you some pointers. Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling - tho you know there is a ready market out there! 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URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 24 22:43:16 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:43:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] My new/old BX-300E In-Reply-To: <44246058.7070909@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <001901c64f8b$f6d4fdc0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Well, I have had my BX-300 upgraded with the gear drive and I can only say that it sounds fine to my ears, even on slow piano passages with sustained notes, notorious for showing up wow and flutter. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 24 March 2006 21:11 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] My new/old BX-300E Hi Tom! Hi Tech wrote: > This is my opinion about the "upgrade": > Don't do it. If you measure the wow/flutter of the original idler tire > mech, it will always meet spec. If you measure the revised gear drive, it > will be above spec, but most important, flutter is the dominant speed > variation. The flutter is high enough to be audible! Wow! I didn't know this! Thanks! I'm having my apprentice Daniel fix my BX-2 and had contemplated the gear mod, but I'll have Daniel put in an idler I bought. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1458 (20060324) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 24 22:53:16 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:53:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] My new/old BX-300E In-Reply-To: <001901c64f8b$f6d4fdc0$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <001901c64f8b$f6d4fdc0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <44246A4C.8070806@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Shaun, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Well, I have had my BX-300 upgraded with the gear drive and I can only say > that it sounds fine to my ears, even on slow piano passages with sustained > notes, notorious for showing up wow and flutter. Ack. Well, I don't have the parts for the upgrade anyway, but it's good to know your experience. I'm not too fond of the BX-2 so I'm unwilling to put any serious effort or money into it. > Hi Tech wrote: > >>This is my opinion about the "upgrade": >>Don't do it. If you measure the wow/flutter of the original idler tire >>mech, it will always meet spec. If you measure the revised gear drive, it >>will be above spec, but most important, flutter is the dominant speed >>variation. The flutter is high enough to be audible! > > > Wow! I didn't know this! Thanks! I'm having my apprentice Daniel fix my > BX-2 and had contemplated the gear mod, but I'll have Daniel put in an > idler I bought. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 23:07:49 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:07:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <442464CB.5080901@cox.net> Message-ID: <20060324220749.22431.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim you are right - Dragon is special - only recorder does this ( checking one channel phase accuracy by deviding record signal in to two while play back) period. Nakamichi had to develop two heads in 0.8 Micron gap - a normal single channel gap - a fantastic feat. That is why people who heard a Dragon of tapes recorded on multitude of other recorders realize how easy it is to use Dragon. Also it sounds beautiful. Infact when I tried same thing in CR7 with manual adjust, some tapes could not be adjusted to exact azimuth. Dragon eventhough do not continuously track - if some high frequency content with sudden rise above 30 dB level in the middle of the tape, it starts the tracking. Well adjusted Dragon would adjust the azimuth within a very short period. Dragon' only weakness is single bias Oscillator connected two channel record biasing scheme while CR 7 or 1000ZXL/700ZXL all had buffered twin channel record biasing arrangement ( even CR4 has such a bias control) - CR 7 can better Dragon' record/replay or atleast match it. Kannan Tim Barrett wrote: Tom - The Dragon doesn't compare left and right channels for phase info when adjusting the azimuth. It's playback head is special - the right channel part of the head is split into two miniature heads. The Dragon compares the phase info from these two right channel heads (and the info should be identical) and adjusts the head azimuth until the phasing agrees. The output from both right channel heads is summed for the audio output. The phase differences between the left and right channels are preserved. Tim Hi Tech wrote: >I too do not buy into the concept of adjusting the play head phase while >playing, as the Dragon does. Music in real spaces can have phase >differences. Imagine sitting left of center. The Dragon would move you back >to center (well in concept anyway). > >At 10:53 PM 3/23/06 -0000, you wrote: > > --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Mar 24 23:09:16 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:09:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 References: Message-ID: <002901c64f8f$98966ab0$edd417c4@home> Henry:Some good advise from someone who has got them all as well-----Keep the Dragon and the CR7.Sell the other newer ones and get rid if the ZX7(you got the 'better' ZX9) if you need space!!Strange in my younger days(not that I am that old) I also restored--I mean really restored-- a Model A Ford and an old Mercedes180D.It must be a trait of being besotten with the Nak desease as well as having a restoration kick! BTW I believe we over react when we say that the newer decks are too finicky and subject to breakdowns.I have had no breakdowns with my flock--but then I dont play them ALL at the same time in the morning ,at night and all day!! KEEP those 2 Decks! Walter PS Your dad had indicated once (I think)that he had boxes of spares for Naks in RSA on the South Coast--are these now in your keep?You are lucky! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > Mark, > > I have taken your advice and the Dragon will go in for service next month. > As I stated I feel I will sell the Dragon when it is returned, for the > following reasons: I have 19 Naks on display and connected to a switching > unit, I have only one spare position left and 6 more machines stored in > the > garage! I have no intention of leaving any machines stored - such a shame! > they need to do what they were designed for - produce fine music! and they > wont do that in a cold garage in Essex! I have been using all the Naks > over > the last few months and have definite favourites, 600II for Dolby b > playback. ZX7 & 9 for recording and Dolby c playback. I have a soft spot > for the 68XX series machines, as others have said, there is a simplicity > about them that oozes reassurance! The CR series decks have a different > sound to them (to my ears anyway!). and the Dragon is over-complicated, I > have no use for the auto-reverse feature or the auto playback head > azimuth, > although I cant fault its playback ability. The machines carrying the > newer > mechs don't inspire confidence? So the CR7, Dragon, Cassette deck series, > BX300 and the DR series are to go! Hopefully I can keep the remaining > machines in good order, when B&W close? well that's another day! I know > that it will always be possible but it will involve relying on having > mechanical parts manufactured and electronics reworked using available > components. So costs will be high! I restore old cars as a hobby and I > KNOW that if there is a part that is not available You can ALWAYS get it > made up - at a cost! > > Thanks > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Caton > Sent: 23 March 2006 23:19 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Henry, > > You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in for a service. And > when > you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your suspicions - that > it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize that > (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be similar). > For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame at all in > taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. > > Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they might be able > to > give you some pointers. > > Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling - tho you > know there is a ready market out there! > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Henry > Sent: 23 March 2006 22:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > Hi guys, > > I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and > knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning > to > see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few > 3 > head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service > history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all > but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it > perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in > any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. > All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 > years by B&W - but not the Dragon. > Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon > has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just > with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? > I > would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask > what > is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more > technical than "it don't work"!! > I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads > to > some reference tape? > > Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record > head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth > adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I > have > not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start > to > need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going > to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I > prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so > I > have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. > > Thanks > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Bravo Ron!!!! > > 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" > the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by > Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the > "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. > > For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes > recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 >> >>Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>Dear all, >>> >>>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>>playback head azimuth correction. >>> >>>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >>> >>>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>>azimuth postion. >>> >>>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth >>>(auto >>>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>>playback head position (auto or user). >>> >>>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>>convenient. >>> >>>Any thoughts on this? >> >>My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >>guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >>back cassettes. >> >>Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >>an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >>other head to match that standard. >> >>Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >>that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >>advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >>making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >>adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >>incorrect recordings. >> >>Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >>against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >>but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >>Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. >> >>-- Ron >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 24 23:39:22 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:39:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <20060324220749.22431.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060324220749.22431.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4424751A.1020105@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Kannan, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Dragon' only weakness is single bias Oscillator connected two channel > record biasing scheme while CR 7 or 1000ZXL/700ZXL all had buffered twin > channel record biasing arrangement ( even CR4 has such a bias control) > - CR 7 can better Dragon' record/replay or atleast match it. I'm not understanding your comment so let me ask for clarification. Are you saying that the Dragon lacks bias amplifiers and connects the bias current from the single master oscillator directly to both channels' record and erase heads? If so, I wouldn't worry about it. Few stereo cassette recorders have bias amplifiers. Provided that the bias oscillator has a low source output impedance and can drive the heads adequately there's not necessarily any loss of quality by connecting it to both channels simultaneously. Most stereo cassette recorders have a bias trap to minimize modulation noise caused by the bias current but that is a separate issue. A low distortion bias oscillator and an effective bias trap are more important to the design of a cassette recorder than a bias amplifier. I believe (without taking time to look at the schematics) that the 350, 500, 550, and 600 series connect the bias oscillator directly to both channels, without bias amps, via resistance-capacity coupling. Of course, a multitrack recorder must have bias amplifiers both to prevent interaction among channels and because providing a bias oscillator that could drive 4 to 24 channels isn't practical. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:18:36 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:18:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <4424751A.1020105@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060324231836.52264.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit Dragon like ZX 9/7 has single bias oscillator transformer leg feeding both the channels with passive resistor/capacitor splitting the feed. While CR 7 /CR 4 have two transformers feeding the channels independently. This way you control each leg after the buffer step up transformers from local low voltage bias oscillator on the primary side. I think 1000ZXl has multiple transformers as a step ladder to adjust the bias current (by ABLE processor) to fine levels. This method seems to be better than Dragon or older Naks record biasing scheme particularly after years of use or storage when Capacitors loose their charecteristics. If the passive leg impedence is not equal , you will find bias currents have mismatch between channels kannan "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Kannan, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Dragon' only weakness is single bias Oscillator connected two channel > record biasing scheme while CR 7 or 1000ZXL/700ZXL all had buffered twin > channel record biasing arrangement ( even CR4 has such a bias control) > - CR 7 can better Dragon' record/replay or atleast match it. I'm not understanding your comment so let me ask for clarification. Are you saying that the Dragon lacks bias amplifiers and connects the bias current from the single master oscillator directly to both channels' record and erase heads? If so, I wouldn't worry about it. Few stereo cassette recorders have bias amplifiers. Provided that the bias oscillator has a low source output impedance and can drive the heads adequately there's not necessarily any loss of quality by connecting it to both channels simultaneously. Most stereo cassette recorders have a bias trap to minimize modulation noise caused by the bias current but that is a separate issue. A low distortion bias oscillator and an effective bias trap are more important to the design of a cassette recorder than a bias amplifier. I believe (without taking time to look at the schematics) that the 350, 500, 550, and 600 series connect the bias oscillator directly to both channels, without bias amps, via resistance-capacity coupling. Of course, a multitrack recorder must have bias amplifiers both to prevent interaction among channels and because providing a bias oscillator that could drive 4 to 24 channels isn't practical. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sat Mar 25 00:26:58 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:26:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <20060324201631.59854.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060324232658.61070.qmail@web80232.mail.yahoo.com> Kannan: It costs at least that much to service a REVOX/STUDER as NAK. Each spooling motor costs $200 to replace ( just part ) and both spooling motors need to be replaced every 10 years or so ( depends on how hard you work the machine ). I just spent $400 to replace both spooling motors on my STUDER A710 recently. Other parts are not cheap either. Mike kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Yes Graham is right! It is a pleasure dealing with Paul - when you contact through email- he is fantastic with his response. B&W is extremley reasonable. Lot of naktalkers do not understand that time spent on Nak repair costs money - as well as keeping repair shop and people to manage. Also look at the gages and alignment tapes + scope etc. It is going to cost mooney to repair or do a maintanence work on any nak. Does it costs less to service a Revox? ( frankly I do not know) kannan Nelson wrote: If you call, Henry, you'll most likely end up speaking to Paul Wilkinson himself. He's an upright guy. No messing about or sly tricks with Paul, and he's very reasonable with the pricing, too. He seems most unwilling to take advantage of his European wide monopoly. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: 23 March 2006 23:19 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Henry, You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in for a service. And when you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your suspicions - that it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize that (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be similar). For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame at all in taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they might be able to give you some pointers. Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling - tho you know there is a ready market out there! 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 25 00:50:20 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:50:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Revox engineer .... I think that would be Brian Reeves, who lives in Cheadle. Nice guy. Might have been me who put your Dad into contact with him. Sadly, he won't repair Nakamichi decks! If he did, I'm sure he'd do a grand job on them - he's the kind of engineer who evidently enjoys doing a job properly and not skirting the edges. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Henry Sent: 24 March 2006 21:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Graham and Gra', I also think B&W prices are reasonable, my dad had a ZX7 repaired (Bias oscillator shot) and a full service early last year for less than £200.00 including all belts, pinch roller guides and the idler wheel and tyre. I thought the parts prices very reasonable as well. I can answer your "Does it cost more to service a Revox?" Because dad also had one done recently by an authorised UK Revox tech. The service on a B77 II itself is about the same as B&W charged for the ZX7 , parts are a different matter! a new VU meter cost £80.00 new pb and rec heads - around £180.00 each. the only (counter) belt about £8.00. and so on! All parts are still available though. To do a total refurb to bring it back to "as new" around £850.00 !! Seems a lot but then what price do you put on owning an "as new" quality R to R recorder with the Revox pedigree?? both B77 and ZX7 are, overall, such sweet recorders!! Thanks Henry for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Mar 25 02:46:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:46:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My new/old BX-300E In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060324093904.008219a0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060324093904.008219a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4424A10E.9060507@rcn.com> I didn't know the idler had any effect on whatsoever on wow/flutter, regardless of whether the idler is rubber tire or gear driven. I have a CR-7 with a gear idler and a CR-5 with a rubber tire connected. I have just listened, critically, to a piano recording on both and could hear neither wow nor flutter from either. -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > This is my opinion about the "upgrade": > Don't do it. If you measure the wow/flutter of the original idler tire > mech, it will always meet spec. If you measure the revised gear drive, it > will be above spec, but most important, flutter is the dominant speed > variation. The flutter is high enough to be audible! > Replacement tires are readily available and easy to change. Buy a small > supply and enjoy the deck as it was designed...or save up for an LX 3 ! > > tom brucker > > At 09:53 AM 3/23/06 +0000, you wrote: >> Well - it's here. The auction listing said the BX-300E >> was noisy on rewind so I bid for a new idler tire just >> after I won the Nak. >> >> And, yes, I do really need to fit this ASAP because >> the noise is one thing but the poor spool take-up is >> another thing entirely. >> >> I've seen the excellent instructions for this job on >> the 'net and they look clear enough. Are there any >> other things about disassembling/reassembling the deck >> I should look out for? >> >> Also, I've read that the idler repair is likely to be >> needed again in 2-3 years (ouch!) so if anyone knows >> about the BX gear upgrade, who can do it in the UK and >> how many members of family I'd have to sell to pay for >> it, I'd be very grateful. >> >> Just one thing.. I imagine that when the idler works >> properly it's almost completely silent. Does the gear >> upgrade make the transport noisier? >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 04:07:52 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:07:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <20060324231836.52264.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060325030752.77713.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, The playback head of the Dragon has six discrete channels. Four for playing the tape bi-directional and two of those are split again into two to accomodate NAAC. This also reflects in the Dragon having six playback amps. I am still thinking how small the cores and pole pieces must be to jam pack all that into the housing. Also remember that Nakamichi was using small then standard tape widths. Regards Bala 79Labs kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi Kermit Dragon like ZX 9/7 has single bias oscillator transformer leg feeding both the channels with passive resistor/capacitor splitting the feed. While CR 7 /CR 4 have two transformers feeding the channels independently. This way you control each leg after the buffer step up transformers from local low voltage bias oscillator on the primary side. I think 1000ZXl has multiple transformers as a step ladder to adjust the bias current (by ABLE processor) to fine levels. This method seems to be better than Dragon or older Naks record biasing scheme particularly after years of use or storage when Capacitors loose their charecteristics. If the passive leg impedence is not equal , you will find bias currents have mismatch between channels kannan "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Kannan, k! annan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Dragon' only weakness is single bias Oscillator connected two channel > record biasing scheme while CR 7 or 1000ZXL/700ZXL all had buffered twin > channel record biasing arrangement ( even CR4 has such a bias control) > - CR 7 can better Dragon' record/replay or atleast match it. I'm not understanding your comment so let me ask for clarification. Are you saying that the Dragon lacks bias amplifiers and connects the bias current from the single master oscillator directly to both channels' record and erase heads? If so, I wouldn't worry about it. Few stereo cassette recorders have bias amplifiers. Provided that the bias oscillator has a low source output impedance and can drive the heads adequately there's not necessarily any loss of quality by connecting it to both channels simultaneously. Most stereo cassette recorders have a bias trap to minimize modulation noise caused by the bias! current but that is a separate issue. A low distortion bias oscillator and an effective bias trap are more important to the design of a cassette recorder than a bias amplifier. I believe (without taking time to look at the schematics) that the 350, 500, 550, and 600 series connect the bias oscillator directly to both channels, without bias amps, via resistance-capacity coupling. Of course, a multitrack recorder must have bias amplifiers both to prevent interaction among channels and because providing a bias oscillator that could drive 4 to 24 channels isn't practical. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at n! aks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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So many of you guys think these decks are the dogs B****cks - but I just don't go for that! So, as I know they are fine examples of the marks, I think they should be owned by enthusiasts who will appreciate them and USE them. I KNOW that if I keep them they will end up in storage!! and as so are just lumps of metal and components, that is so wrong! better to let them go to new homes don't you think? As to selling the ZX7s? _ NEVER!! I prefer them above any other of my decks for daily use. They are the decks I have used the most and they perform flawlessly! I cannot tell the known difference between the 7 and the 9 (sonically), and (this is the novice showing here!) because of the white lettering of the ZX7s I find them easier to use! (may even look to trade some of the other decks for another ZX7 ((or Two?)) ). So they stay!! As my family business has always been recycling, it is natural for us to go for restoration as well. That's why I have inherited all this gear, (and the rest _but that's another story). I prefer to drive old cars, but only in perfect order that is! My wife drives a new Mitsubishi Pajero though ( just found out that in Paraguay Pajero translates out to read W*nker!- interesting!!), but she is not the same blood line. Yes I do have these parts from dads home in RSA, one box marked Rubber was stored in a freezer in RSA and is now under half a cow in mine! I will have to empty the crates one day to find out exactly whats in there! when I find somewhere to store them that is. Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of drewes Sent: 24 March 2006 22:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Henry:Some good advise from someone who has got them all as well-----Keep the Dragon and the CR7.Sell the other newer ones and get rid if the ZX7(you got the 'better' ZX9) if you need space!!Strange in my younger days(not that I am that old) I also restored--I mean really restored-- a Model A Ford and an old Mercedes180D.It must be a trait of being besotten with the Nak desease as well as having a restoration kick! BTW I believe we over react when we say that the newer decks are too finicky and subject to breakdowns.I have had no breakdowns with my flock--but then I dont play them ALL at the same time in the morning ,at night and all day!! KEEP those 2 Decks! Walter PS Your dad had indicated once (I think)that he had boxes of spares for Naks in RSA on the South Coast--are these now in your keep?You are lucky! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > Mark, > > I have taken your advice and the Dragon will go in for service next month. > As I stated I feel I will sell the Dragon when it is returned, for the > following reasons: I have 19 Naks on display and connected to a switching > unit, I have only one spare position left and 6 more machines stored in > the > garage! I have no intention of leaving any machines stored - such a shame! > they need to do what they were designed for - produce fine music! and they > wont do that in a cold garage in Essex! I have been using all the Naks > over > the last few months and have definite favourites, 600II for Dolby b > playback. ZX7 & 9 for recording and Dolby c playback. I have a soft spot > for the 68XX series machines, as others have said, there is a simplicity > about them that oozes reassurance! The CR series decks have a different > sound to them (to my ears anyway!). and the Dragon is over-complicated, I > have no use for the auto-reverse feature or the auto playback head > azimuth, > although I cant fault its playback ability. The machines carrying the > newer > mechs don't inspire confidence? So the CR7, Dragon, Cassette deck series, > BX300 and the DR series are to go! Hopefully I can keep the remaining > machines in good order, when B&W close? well that's another day! I know > that it will always be possible but it will involve relying on having > mechanical parts manufactured and electronics reworked using available > components. So costs will be high! I restore old cars as a hobby and I > KNOW that if there is a part that is not available You can ALWAYS get it > made up - at a cost! > > Thanks > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Caton > Sent: 23 March 2006 23:19 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Henry, > > You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in for a service. And > when > you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your suspicions - that > it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize that > (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be similar). > For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame at all in > taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. > > Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they might be able > to > give you some pointers. > > Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling - tho you > know there is a ready market out there! > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Henry > Sent: 23 March 2006 22:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > Hi guys, > > I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and > knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning > to > see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few > 3 > head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service > history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all > but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it > perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in > any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. > All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 > years by B&W - but not the Dragon. > Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon > has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just > with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? > I > would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask > what > is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more > technical than "it don't work"!! > I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads > to > some reference tape? > > Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record > head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth > adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I > have > not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start > to > need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going > to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I > prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so > I > have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. > > Thanks > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Bravo Ron!!!! > > 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" > the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by > Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the > "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. > > For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes > recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 >> >>Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>Dear all, >>> >>>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>>playback head azimuth correction. >>> >>>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >>> >>>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>>azimuth postion. >>> >>>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth >>>(auto >>>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>>playback head position (auto or user). >>> >>>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>>convenient. >>> >>>Any thoughts on this? >> >>My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >>guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >>back cassettes. >> >>Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >>an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >>other head to match that standard. >> >>Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >>that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >>advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >>making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >>adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >>incorrect recordings. >> >>Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >>against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >>but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >>Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. >> >>-- Ron >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From henry at privatemail.me.uk Sat Mar 25 10:33:42 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:33:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gra' I met Mr Reeves in 2004, real nice guy, am told he is the UK Revox master! So lucky here in UK - B&W for Nakamichi - Brian Reeves for Revox - Linn for -well Linn! and the rest! Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 24 March 2006 23:50 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment The Revox engineer .... I think that would be Brian Reeves, who lives in Cheadle. Nice guy. Might have been me who put your Dad into contact with him. Sadly, he won't repair Nakamichi decks! If he did, I'm sure he'd do a grand job on them - he's the kind of engineer who evidently enjoys doing a job properly and not skirting the edges. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Henry Sent: 24 March 2006 21:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Graham and Gra', I also think B&W prices are reasonable, my dad had a ZX7 repaired (Bias oscillator shot) and a full service early last year for less than £200.00 including all belts, pinch roller guides and the idler wheel and tyre. I thought the parts prices very reasonable as well. I can answer your "Does it cost more to service a Revox?" Because dad also had one done recently by an authorised UK Revox tech. The service on a B77 II itself is about the same as B&W charged for the ZX7 , parts are a different matter! a new VU meter cost £80.00 new pb and rec heads - around £180.00 each. the only (counter) belt about £8.00. and so on! All parts are still available though. To do a total refurb to bring it back to "as new" around £850.00 !! Seems a lot but then what price do you put on owning an "as new" quality R to R recorder with the Revox pedigree?? both B77 and ZX7 are, overall, such sweet recorders!! Thanks Henry for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sat Mar 25 11:45:31 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:45:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In the context of servicing tape decks other than Nakamichi, does anyone have a recommendation for someone who would service an Aiwa Excelia deck, preferably situated in the UK. Thanks. Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 24 March 2006 23:50 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment The Revox engineer .... I think that would be Brian Reeves, who lives in Cheadle. Nice guy. Might have been me who put your Dad into contact with him. Sadly, he won't repair Nakamichi decks! If he did, I'm sure he'd do a grand job on them - he's the kind of engineer who evidently enjoys doing a job properly and not skirting the edges. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 13:14:38 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:14:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060325121438.40518.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is true Henry - if you do not use them sell them to smebody who uses them. I have been seeing Dragon's ( fortunate to work on Dragons ) start all kinds of symptoms like eating tapes or auto azimuth mistracking when kept inside for years without use. It is good to see some lucky guys to own these well kept Naks! I also feel ZX 7 is a very nice machine worthy of ZX 9 reputation - provided you keep spare capstan, cam mode and counter belts in stock. replace the Orange Caps ( in your case allready Bias Oscillator shot and repaired - so must have been done)- no trouble machine. Samething to goes to few others who like their 670ZX or 682 or RX 505. All these machines are great machines - sound a bit different from others. look in to the frozen vault - let us hear what Nak parts you got ? Kannan Henry wrote: So much advice! mostly telling me to keep the Dragon and the CRXX decks, But I KNOW I wont use them. So many of you guys think these decks are the dogs B****cks - but I just don't go for that! So, as I know they are fine examples of the marks, I think they should be owned by enthusiasts who will appreciate them and USE them. I KNOW that if I keep them they will end up in storage!! and as so are just lumps of metal and components, that is so wrong! better to let them go to new homes don't you think? As to selling the ZX7s? _ NEVER!! I prefer them above any other of my decks for daily use. They are the decks I have used the most and they perform flawlessly! I cannot tell the known difference between the 7 and the 9 (sonically), and (this is the novice showing here!) because of the white lettering of the ZX7s I find them easier to use! (may even look to trade some of the other decks for another ZX7 ((or Two?)) ). So they stay!! As my family business has always been recycling, it is natural for us to go for restoration as well. That's why I have inherited all this gear, (and the rest _but that's another story). I prefer to drive old cars, but only in perfect order that is! My wife drives a new Mitsubishi Pajero though ( just found out that in Paraguay Pajero translates out to read W*nker!- interesting!!), but she is not the same blood line. Yes I do have these parts from dads home in RSA, one box marked Rubber was stored in a freezer in RSA and is now under half a cow in mine! I will have to empty the crates one day to find out exactly whats in there! when I find somewhere to store them that is. Henry --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 13:25:00 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:25:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <20060324023333.10540.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060325122500.14209.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Bala for your comment. It is heartening to see somebody works on 1000ZXL as these are epitome of Nakamichi Philosophy and efforts in achieving new heights in Technology. Sadly these machines are expensive even where they are not working . Secondly they are huge in size to handle. I have also not seen any Nak microprocessor going bad except in one case - a CR2 had a shot processor due to a service guy connecting the cable plugs on wrong sockets. But 1000 ZXL needs somebody very serious to locate the trouble with huge number of wires and connectors. I am sure if somebody has experience with can easily service it. I am also hopefull your efforts in replacing some of the logic parts with your own design has enough takers to preserve such a great machine. Still for an average non tech user - this machine is a challenge and expensive to ship it to a service tech. I refused to look at a 1000 ZXL due to lack of space and time. But simple repair for us may not be simple for new DIY nak techies. We sadly miss Stephen for his great helping emails when some body posts a problem in Naktalk. kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Kannan, The suprising fact is that the complexity increases from the ZXL to the Dragon to the CR7. Of these, the ZXL machines contain only 2 processors. The CR7, contains 5. I perceive this longevity issue to be as touchy as sound quality. I have seen Dragons survive rough conditions and mis-treatment. The key issue now we come to is maintaince. When I bought one of my ZXLs, which was in a warehouse for 15 years, it wouldn't turn on. Turned out, a single cap and blown causing the power supply to short. One cap and two transistors later, the 1000ZXL was in full blown action with every single function working. All my three 1000ZXLs have their original computers functioning. I am sometimes beginning to feel that this fragility of the machines was a myth. But with boards spread out, and neatly laid out, I really like the effort taken to construct these decks. T! o date, I know of 5 1000ZXLs that are perfectly funtioning in India. Once again, I feel that every deck will perform well, if proper maintainence and regular use is given. Even the venerable 600 also has some problem. But hey, I think it would have worked in the moon with no issues. :) Good Day, Bala 79Labs --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 14:38:55 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:38:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060325133855.24421.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I assume you are keeping the 68x series decks? Regards Bala 79Labs Henry wrote: So much advice! mostly telling me to keep the Dragon and the CRXX decks, But I KNOW I wont use them. So many of you guys think these decks are the dogs B****cks - but I just don't go for that! So, as I know they are fine examples of the marks, I think they should be owned by enthusiasts who will appreciate them and USE them. I KNOW that if I keep them they will end up in storage!! and as so are just lumps of metal and components, that is so wrong! better to let them go to new homes don't you think? As to selling the ZX7s? _ NEVER!! I prefer them above any other of my decks for daily use. They are the decks I have used the most and they perform flawlessly! I cannot tell the known difference between the 7 and the 9 (sonically), and (this is the novice showing here!) because of the white lettering of the ZX7s I find them easier to use! (may even look to trade some of the other decks for another ZX7 ((or Two?)) ). So they stay!! As my family business has always been recycling, it is natural for us to go for restoration as well. That's why I have inherited all this gear, (and the rest _but that's another story). I prefer to drive old cars, but only in perfect order that is! My wife drives a new Mitsubishi Pajero though ( just found out that in Paraguay Pajero translates out to read W*nker!- interesting!!), but she is not the same blood line. Yes I do have these parts from dads home in RSA, one box marked Rubber was stored in a freezer in RSA and is now under half a cow in mine! I will have to empty the crates one day to find out exactly whats in there! when I find somewhere to store them that is. Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of drewes Sent: 24 March 2006 22:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Henry:Some good advise from someone who has got them all as well-----Keep the Dragon and the CR7.Sell the other newer ones and get rid if the ZX7(you got the 'better' ZX9) if you need space!!Strange in my younger days(not that I am that old) I also restored--I mean really restored-- a Model A Ford and an old Mercedes180D.It must be a trait of being besotten with the Nak desease as well as having a restoration kick! BTW I believe we over react when we say that the newer decks are too finicky and subject to breakdowns.I have had no breakdowns with my flock--but then I dont play them ALL at the same time in the morning ,at night and all day!! KEEP those 2 Decks! Walter PS Your dad had indicated once (I think)that he had boxes of spares for Naks in RSA on the South Coast--are these now in your keep?You are lucky! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > Mark, > > I have taken your advice and the Dragon will go in for service next month. > As I stated I feel I will sell the Dragon when it is returned, for the > following reasons: I have 19 Naks on display and connected to a switching > unit, I have only one spare position left and 6 more machines stored in > the > garage! I have no intention of leaving any machines stored - such a shame! > they need to do what they were designed for - produce fine music! and they > wont do that in a cold garage in Essex! I have been using all the Naks > over > the last few months and have definite favourites, 600II for Dolby b > playback. ZX7 & 9 for recording and Dolby c playback. I have a soft spot > for the 68XX series machines, as others have said, there is a simplicity > about them that oozes reassurance! The CR series decks have a different > sound to them (to my ears anyway!). and the Dragon is over-complicated, I > have no use for the auto-reverse feature or the auto playback head > azimuth, > although I cant fault its playback ability. The machines carrying the > newer > mechs don't inspire confidence? So the CR7, Dragon, Cassette deck series, > BX300 and the DR series are to go! Hopefully I can keep the remaining > machines in good order, when B&W close? well that's another day! I know > that it will always be possible but it will involve relying on having > mechanical parts manufactured and electronics reworked using available > components. So costs will be high! I restore old cars as a hobby and I > KNOW that if there is a part that is not available You can ALWAYS get it > made up - at a cost! > > Thanks > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Caton > Sent: 23 March 2006 23:19 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Henry, > > You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in for a service. And > when > you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your suspicions - that > it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize that > (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be similar). > For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame at all in > taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. > > Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they might be able > to > give you some pointers. > > Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling - tho you > know there is a ready market out there! > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Henry > Sent: 23 March 2006 22:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > Hi guys, > > I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and > knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning > to > see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few > 3 > head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service > history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all > but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it > perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in > any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. > All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 > years by B&W - but not the Dragon. > Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon > has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just > with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? > I > would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask > what > is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more > technical than "it don't work"!! > I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads > to > some reference tape? > > Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record > head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth > adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I > have > not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start > to > need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going > to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I > prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so > I > have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. > > Thanks > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Bravo Ron!!!! > > 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" > the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by > Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the > "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. > > For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes > recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 >> >>Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>Dear all, >>> >>>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>>playback head azimuth correction. >>> >>>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >>> >>>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>>azimuth postion. >>> >>>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth >>>(auto >>>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>>playback head position (auto or user). >>> >>>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>>convenient. >>> >>>Any thoughts on this? >> >>My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >>guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >>back cassettes. >> >>Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >>an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >>other head to match that standard. >> >>Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >>that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >>advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >>making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >>adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >>incorrect recordings. >> >>Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >>against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >>but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >>Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. >> >>-- Ron >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Mar 25 17:51:07 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:51:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <44231FEE.6090306@woods-and-waters.com> References: <200603160827.k2G8RgnC024019@zxe.naks.com> <44223D95.4090606@woods-and-waters.com> <4422A0E9.7010008@cox.net> <44231FEE.6090306@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:23:42 -0600, "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: >..........It can wreck a recording's sound easier than >anything I've seen and definitely teaches you to do all things in >moderation. OK, where can I buy it? -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Mar 25 17:52:13 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:52:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: <20060324080737.2268.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <44231FEE.6090306@woods-and-waters.com> <20060324080737.2268.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:07:37 -0800 (PST), Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I think its better you sell it to competent and serious people and offer them training on using it. IF you ever intend to make it into a product. Otherwise, some over-confident engineer would mis-use it and blame you! Could a murderer successfully blame the gunsmith? -Mikkel, Bang. Your tape is dead! From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 18:53:50 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:53:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <20060325122500.14209.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060325175350.6902.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan, Their performance margins over the other decks is substantial once its working. I have worked with these decks and other machines in live conert environment, and they handle huge dynamics and wide soundstages with ease! Kimo has similiar experiences I believe. But when one says the ZXL decks are good, it doesn't mean the CR7 or ZX9 is not good. They are, but their strengths lie in different areas. The last deck I turn off for day is my 600II ! When you ignore the fact that these are cassette decks, the ZXL machines can be grouped together with reel to reel machines in terms of performance. A Studer A-80, even when not functioning, does command a certain price. I suspect a Dragon would not go for a small sum even if it doesn't work either. Having worked on a fair number of 1000ZXLs, I can see a pattern emerging. It has a common series of faults which, thanks to the decks expansive layout, is easy to spot and fix. I have helped people fix this deck via emails and they were suprised at the little things that stopped the giant from working. Namely, belts. If you are used to working on reel to reel decks, the ZXL suddenly looks more manageable and easy. The Nak replacement boards project is a comprehensive effort by a group of people, including two ex-Nak service persons and a broad mix of users from the professional and domestic scenes. It has been spurred by a old time enthusiasts whom still remember with excitement the emotion and energy the ZXL machines put into their cassettes, and new blood audiophiles who want to keep the legacy alive. The project is of course covering all models including the Dragon. The 1000ZXL is so akin to my VPI TNT IV. To get the VPI working, its a real pain. It takes almost two days to get it running nice and smooth and another week before it settles together. People have dropped the behemoth for simpler tables. The same goes for the 1000ZXL. But when you hear the soundstage, depth, spatial imaging and the seperation between the instruments, and that very smooth, warm and relax bass, sweet extended treble thats silky, you would pat yourself on the back for having paid the money and gone through the trouble to get the giant working. I certainly Stephen he comes back with his wealth of knowledge. Thankfully, we still have so many fine members on board who will share all their accumulated experiences and knoweldge with us. Regards Bala 79Labs kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Thanks Bala for your comment. It is heartening to see somebody works on 1000ZXL as these are epitome of Nakamichi Philosophy and efforts in achieving new heights in Technology. Sadly these machines are expensive even where they are not working . Secondly they are huge in size to handle. I have also not seen any Nak microprocessor going bad except in one case - a CR2 had a shot processor due to a service guy connecting the cable plugs on wrong sockets. But 1000 ZXL needs somebody very serious to locate the trouble with huge number of wires and connectors. I am sure if somebody has experience with can easily service it. I am also hopefull your efforts in replacing some of the logic parts with your own design has enough takers to preserve such a great machine. Still for an average non tech user - this machine is a challenge and expensive to ship it to a service tech. I refused to look at a 1000 ZXL! due to lack of space and time. But simple repair for us may not be simple for new DIY nak techies. We sadly miss Stephen for his great helping emails when some body posts a problem in Naktalk. kannan Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Kannan, The suprising fact is that the complexity increases from the ZXL to the Dragon to the CR7. Of these, the ZXL machines contain only 2 processors. The CR7, contains 5. I perceive this longevity issue to be as touchy as sound quality. I have seen Dragons survive rough conditions and mis-treatment. The key issue now we come to is maintaince. When I bought one of my ZXLs, which was in a warehouse for 15 y! ears, it wouldn't turn on. Turned out, a single cap and blown causing the power supply to short. One cap and two transistors later, the 1000ZXL was in full blown action with every single function working. All my three 1000ZXLs have their original computers functioning. I am sometimes beginning to feel that this fragility of the machines was a myth. But with boards spread out, and neatly laid out, I really like the effort taken to construct these decks. T! o date, I know of 5 1000ZXLs that are perfectly funtioning in India. Once again, I feel that every deck will perform well, if proper maintainence and regular use is given. Even the venerable 600 also has some problem. But hey, I think it would have worked in the moon with no issues. :) Good Day, Bala 79Labs --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at privatemail.me.uk Sat Mar 25 19:04:20 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:04:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 In-Reply-To: <20060325133855.24421.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, the answer is yes! I will be keeping and the 600 series as well. in fact all the machines without the Sanko mechs bar the Dragon. --Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 25 March 2006 13:39 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Hi, I assume you are keeping the 68x series decks? Regards Bala 79Labs Henry wrote: So much advice! mostly telling me to keep the Dragon and the CRXX decks, But I KNOW I wont use them. So many of you guys think these decks are the dogs B****cks - but I just don't go for that! So, as I know they are fine examples of the marks, I think they should be owned by enthusiasts who will appreciate them and USE them. I KNOW that if I keep them they will end up in storage!! and as so are just lumps of metal and components, that is so wrong! better to let them go to new homes don't you think? As to selling the ZX7s? _ NEVER!! I prefer them above any other of my decks for daily use. They are the decks I have used the most and they perform flawlessly! I cannot tell the known difference between the 7 and the 9 (sonically), and (this is the novice showing here!) because of the white lettering of the ZX7s I find them easier to use! (may even look to trade some of the other decks for another ZX7 ((or Two?)) ). So they stay!! As my family business has always been recycling, it is natural for us to go for restoration as well. That's why I have inherited all this gear, (and the rest _but that's another story). I prefer to drive old cars, but only in perfect order that is! My wife drives a new Mitsubishi Pajero though ( just found out that in Paraguay Pajero translates out to read W*nker!- interesting!!), but she is not the same blood line. Yes I do have these parts from dads home in RSA, one box marked Rubber was stored in a freezer in RSA and is now under half a cow in mine! I will have to empty the crates one day to find out exactly whats in there! when I find somewhere to store them that is. Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of drewes Sent: 24 March 2006 22:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Henry:Some good advise from someone who has got them all as well-----Keep the Dragon and the CR7.Sell the other newer ones and get rid if the ZX7(you got the 'better' ZX9) if you need space!!Strange in my younger days(not that I am that old) I also restored--I mean really restored-- a Model A Ford and an old Mercedes180D.It must be a trait of being besotten with the Nak desease as well as having a restoration kick! BTW I believe we over react when we say that the newer decks are too finicky and subject to breakdowns.I have had no breakdowns with my flock--but then I dont play them ALL at the same time in the morning ,at night and all day!! KEEP those 2 Decks! Walter PS Your dad had indicated once (I think)that he had boxes of spares for Naks in RSA on the South Coast--are these now in your keep?You are lucky! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > Mark, > > I have taken your advice and the Dragon will go in for service next month. > As I stated I feel I will sell the Dragon when it is returned, for the > following reasons: I have 19 Naks on display and connected to a switching > unit, I have only one spare position left and 6 more machines stored in > the > garage! I have no intention of leaving any machines stored - such a shame! > they need to do what they were designed for - produce fine music! and they > wont do that in a cold garage in Essex! I have been using all the Naks > over > the last few months and have definite favourites, 600II for Dolby b > playback. ZX7 & 9 for recording and Dolby c playback. I have a soft spot > for the 68XX series machines, as others have said, there is a simplicity > about them that oozes reassurance! The CR series decks have a different > sound to them (to my ears anyway!). and the Dragon is over-complicated, I > have no use for the auto-reverse feature or the auto playback head > azimuth, > although I cant fault its playback ability. The machines carrying the > newer > mechs don't inspire confidence? So the CR7, Dragon, Cassette deck series, > BX300 and the DR series are to go! Hopefully I can keep the remaining > machines in good order, when B&W close? well that's another day! I know > that it will always be possible but it will involve relying on having > mechanical parts manufactured and electronics reworked using available > components. So costs will be high! I restore old cars as a hobby and I > KNOW that if there is a part that is not available You can ALWAYS get it > made up - at a cost! > > Thanks > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Caton > Sent: 23 March 2006 23:19 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Henry, > > You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in for a service. And > when > you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your suspicions - that > it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize that > (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be similar). > For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame at all in > taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. > > Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they might be able > to > give you some pointers. > > Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling - tho you > know there is a ready market out there! > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Henry > Sent: 23 March 2006 22:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > Hi guys, > > I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and > knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning > to > see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few > 3 > head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service > history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all > but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it > perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in > any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. > All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 > years by B&W - but not the Dragon. > Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon > has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just > with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? > I > would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask > what > is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more > technical than "it don't work"!! > I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads > to > some reference tape? > > Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record > head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth > adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I > have > not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start > to > need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going > to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I > prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so > I > have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. > > Thanks > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Bravo Ron!!!! > > 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" > the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by > Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the > "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. > > For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes > recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 >> >>Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>Dear all, >>> >>>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>>playback head azimuth correction. >>> >>>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >>> >>>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>>azimuth postion. >>> >>>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth >>>(auto >>>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>>playback head position (auto or user). >>> >>>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>>convenient. >>> >>>Any thoughts on this? >> >>My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >>guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >>back cassettes. >> >>Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >>an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >>other head to match that standard. >> >>Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >>that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >>advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >>making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >>adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >>incorrect recordings. >> >>Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >>against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >>but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >>Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. >> >>-- Ron >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 19:17:15 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:17:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Message-ID: <518b7b10603251017w6e4284b0x10bab9d252b956ae@mail.gmail.com> I've just returned from my friendly local hi-fi dealer, where I picked up a CD player to try out in my home system. Anyway, as I was just looking around while it was being packed I almost got a heart attack on the spot - I spotted on a shelf two beautiful silver wonders bearing our favourite logo. Yes indeed - a pristine Nakamichi 1000 DAT recorder with an equally mint Nakamichi 1000P digital processor on top - and a beautiful matching remote of the keyboard type, also silver. I stopped breathing, hearing, thinking - only when one of the owners shouted out "Hey, stop drooling" did I wake up. I have no use for these beauties, but at least now I've seen them in "the flesh" and even touched them. What can I say - amazing ! The window for the tape mechanism, the sideways-sliding tape well door, everything just so special and unique. The shop is in London, UK and they will soon be putting it on their website. Both units are 110V, so perfect for the US. They hadn't worked out a price yet, the number of 3500 GBP was mentioned as an idea, but that is not final. If anyone is interested I can send them the contact details. George From henry at privatemail.me.uk Sat Mar 25 19:19:23 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:19:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 In-Reply-To: <20060325121438.40518.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kannan, I do realise how important the belts etc, are and so did my dad. He had a box full of them stored in his freezer (Now in mine!) What the importance of keeping them deep frozen? I have no idea? At this moment B&W will take care of supplying and fitting belts. If one day they are not around? well then its time to open that box! Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 25 March 2006 12:15 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 It is true Henry - if you do not use them sell them to smebody who uses them. I have been seeing Dragon's ( fortunate to work on Dragons ) start all kinds of symptoms like eating tapes or auto azimuth mistracking when kept inside for years without use. It is good to see some lucky guys to own these well kept Naks! I also feel ZX 7 is a very nice machine worthy of ZX 9 reputation - provided you keep spare capstan, cam mode and counter belts in stock. replace the Orange Caps ( in your case allready Bias Oscillator shot and repaired - so must have been done)- no trouble machine. Samething to goes to few others who like their 670ZX or 682 or RX 505. All these machines are great machines - sound a bit different from others. look in to the frozen vault - let us hear what Nak parts you got ? Kannan Henry wrote: So much advice! mostly telling me to keep the Dragon and the CRXX decks, But I KNOW I wont use them. So many of you guys think these decks are the dogs B****cks - but I just don't go for that! So, as I know they are fine examples of the marks, I think they should be owned by enthusiasts who will appreciate them and USE them. I KNOW that if I keep them they will end up in storage!! and as so are just lumps of metal and components, that is so wrong! better to let them go to new homes don't you think? As to selling the ZX7s? _ NEVER!! I prefer them above any other of my decks for daily use. They are the decks I have used the most and they perform flawlessly! I cannot tell the known difference between the 7 and the 9 (sonically), and (this is the novice showing here!) because of the white lettering of the ZX7s I find them easier to use! (may even look to trade some of the other decks for another ZX7 ((or Two?)) ). So they stay!! As my family business has always been recycling, it is natural for us to go for restoration as well. That's why I have inherited all this gear, (and the rest _but that's another story). I prefer to drive old cars, but only in perfect order that is! My wife drives a new Mitsubishi Pajero though ( just found out that in Paraguay Pajero translates out to read W*nker!- interesting!!), but she is not the same blood line. Yes I do have these parts from dads home in RSA, one box marked Rubber was stored in a freezer in RSA and is now under half a cow in mine! I will have to empty the crates one day to find out exactly whats in there! when I find somewhere to store them that is. Henry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fab.zefab at laposte.net Sun Mar 26 00:49:01 2006 From: fab.zefab at laposte.net (Fab) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:49:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] =?iso-8859-1?q?probl=E8me_RX_505E?= Message-ID: <4425D6ED.5010509@laposte.net> A l'aide A chaque démarrage d'une K7 la vitesse de lecture est accélérée comme si la touche fast foward et la touche play étaient actionnées en même et puis au bout d'une dizaine de secondes la lecture devient possible Que faire? From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Mar 26 01:11:57 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:11:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4425DC4D.6000707@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Henry! Henry wrote: > Bala, the answer is yes! I will be keeping and the 600 series as well. > in fact all the machines without the Sanko mechs bar the Dragon. > Good on you for keeping the 600s! My overall favorite Nak, reliable and great sound reminiscent of a studio reel-to-reel. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Mar 26 03:09:32 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:09:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505E problem In-Reply-To: <4425D6ED.5010509@laposte.net> References: <4425D6ED.5010509@laposte.net> Message-ID: <4425E9CC.7040705@yahoo.ca> Translation : Each times he starts playing a tape it's going too fast, but after about 10 secs, it's going normally. Fab a écrit : > A l'aide > A chaque démarrage d'une K7 la vitesse de lecture est accélérée comme > si la touche fast foward et la touche play étaient actionnées en même > et puis au bout d'une dizaine de secondes la lecture devient possible > Que faire? From jeff at eslabs.com Sun Mar 26 03:35:08 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:35:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505E problem References: <4425D6ED.5010509@laposte.net> <4425E9CC.7040705@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <004801c65075$874a3160$6500a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> More likely than not, the pressure roller arms are slow to engage the pressure rollers due to dried-out lubrication on their pivot shafts. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoine Deschênes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX 505E problem Translation : Each times he starts playing a tape it's going too fast, but after about 10 secs, it's going normally. Fab a écrit : > A l'aide > A chaque démarrage d'une K7 la vitesse de lecture est accélérée comme > si la touche fast foward et la touche play étaient actionnées en même > et puis au bout d'une dizaine de secondes la lecture devient possible > Que faire? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 05:14:10 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:14:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060326031410.32806.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Awesome Henry! I have 4 680ZXs, a 600 II , 700 TT and 700 II. But why not the Dragon? Bala 79Labs Henry wrote: Bala, the answer is yes! I will be keeping and the 600 series as well. in fact all the machines without the Sanko mechs bar the Dragon. --Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 25 March 2006 13:39 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Hi, I assume you are keeping the 68x series decks? Regards Bala 79Labs Henry wrote: So much advice! mostly telling me to keep the Dragon and the CRXX decks, But I KNOW I wont use them. So many of you guys think these decks are the dogs B****cks - but I just don't go for that! So, as I know they are fine examples of the marks, I think they should be owned by enthusiasts who will appreciate them and USE them. I KNOW that if I keep them they will end up in storage!! and as so are just lumps of metal and components, that is so wrong! better to let them go to new homes don't you think? As to selling the ZX7s? _ NEVER!! I prefer them above any other of my decks for daily use. They are the decks I have used the most and they perform flawlessly! I cannot tell the known difference between the 7 and the 9 (sonically), and (this is the novice showing here!) because of the white lettering of the ZX7s I find them easier to use! (may even look to trade some of the other decks for another ZX7 ((or Two?)) ). So they stay!! As my family business has always been recycling, it is natural for us to go for restoration as well. That's why I have inherited all this gear, (and the rest _but that's another story). I prefer to drive old cars, but only in perfect order that is! My wife drives a new Mitsubishi Pajero though ( just found out that in Paraguay Pajero translates out to read W*nker!- interesting!!), but she is not the same blood line. Yes I do have these parts from dads home in RSA, one box marked Rubber was stored in a freezer in RSA and is now under half a cow in mine! I will have to empty the crates one day to find out exactly whats in there! when I find somewhere to store them that is. Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of drewes Sent: 24 March 2006 22:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Henry:Some good advise from someone who has got them all as well-----Keep the Dragon and the CR7.Sell the other newer ones and get rid if the ZX7(you got the 'better' ZX9) if you need space!!Strange in my younger days(not that I am that old) I also restored--I mean really restored-- a Model A Ford and an old Mercedes180D.It must be a trait of being besotten with the Nak desease as well as having a restoration kick! BTW I believe we over react when we say that the newer decks are too finicky and subject to breakdowns.I have had no breakdowns with my flock--but then I dont play them ALL at the same time in the morning ,at night and all day!! KEEP those 2 Decks! Walter PS Your dad had indicated once (I think)that he had boxes of spares for Naks in RSA on the South Coast--are these now in your keep?You are lucky! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > Mark, > > I have taken your advice and the Dragon will go in for service next month. > As I stated I feel I will sell the Dragon when it is returned, for the > following reasons: I have 19 Naks on display and connected to a switching > unit, I have only one spare position left and 6 more machines stored in > the > garage! I have no intention of leaving any machines stored - such a shame! > they need to do what they were designed for - produce fine music! and they > wont do that in a cold garage in Essex! I have been using all the Naks > over > the last few months and have definite favourites, 600II for Dolby b > playback. ZX7 & 9 for recording and Dolby c playback. I have a soft spot > for the 68XX series machines, as others have said, there is a simplicity > about them that oozes reassurance! The CR series decks have a different > sound to them (to my ears anyway!). and the Dragon is over-complicated, I > have no use for the auto-reverse feature or the auto playback head > azimuth, > although I cant fault its playback ability. The machines carrying the > newer > mechs don't inspire confidence? So the CR7, Dragon, Cassette deck series, > BX300 and the DR series are to go! Hopefully I can keep the remaining > machines in good order, when B&W close? well that's another day! I know > that it will always be possible but it will involve relying on having > mechanical parts manufactured and electronics reworked using available > components. So costs will be high! I restore old cars as a hobby and I > KNOW that if there is a part that is not available You can ALWAYS get it > made up - at a cost! > > Thanks > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Caton > Sent: 23 March 2006 23:19 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Henry, > > You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in for a service. And > when > you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your suspicions - that > it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize that > (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be similar). > For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame at all in > taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. > > Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they might be able > to > give you some pointers. > > Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling - tho you > know there is a ready market out there! > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Henry > Sent: 23 March 2006 22:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > Hi guys, > > I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and > knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning > to > see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few > 3 > head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service > history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all > but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it > perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in > any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. > All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 > years by B&W - but not the Dragon. > Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon > has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just > with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? > I > would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask > what > is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more > technical than "it don't work"!! > I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads > to > some reference tape? > > Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record > head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth > adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I > have > not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start > to > need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going > to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I > prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so > I > have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. > > Thanks > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Bravo Ron!!!! > > 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" > the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by > Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the > "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. > > For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes > recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 >> >>Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>Dear all, >>> >>>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>>playback head azimuth correction. >>> >>>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >>> >>>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>>azimuth postion. >>> >>>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth >>>(auto >>>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>>playback head position (auto or user). >>> >>>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>>convenient. >>> >>>Any thoughts on this? >> >>My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >>guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >>back cassettes. >> >>Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >>an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >>other head to match that standard. >> >>Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >>that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >>advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >>making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >>adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >>incorrect recordings. >> >>Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >>against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >>but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >>Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. >> >>-- Ron >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. 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I am so excited you got to see them in flash. They looked so beautiful in the photos! Bar the tunrtables, the DAT is the only thing I've not seen from Nakamichi. Bala 79Labs george valkov wrote: I've just returned from my friendly local hi-fi dealer, where I picked up a CD player to try out in my home system. Anyway, as I was just looking around while it was being packed I almost got a heart attack on the spot - I spotted on a shelf two beautiful silver wonders bearing our favourite logo. Yes indeed - a pristine Nakamichi 1000 DAT recorder with an equally mint Nakamichi 1000P digital processor on top - and a beautiful matching remote of the keyboard type, also silver. I stopped breathing, hearing, thinking - only when one of the owners shouted out "Hey, stop drooling" did I wake up. I have no use for these beauties, but at least now I've seen them in "the flesh" and even touched them. What can I say - amazing ! The window for the tape mechanism, the sideways-sliding tape well door, everything just so special and unique. The shop is in London, UK and they will soon be putting it on their website. Both units are 110V, so perfect for the US. They hadn't worked out a price yet, the number of 3500 GBP was mentioned as an idea, but that is not final. If anyone is interested I can send them the contact details. George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fab.zefab at laposte.net Sun Mar 26 10:14:20 2006 From: fab.zefab at laposte.net (Fab) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:14:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505E problem In-Reply-To: <004801c65075$874a3160$6500a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> References: <4425D6ED.5010509@laposte.net> <4425E9CC.7040705@yahoo.ca> <004801c65075$874a3160$6500a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <44264D5C.30302@laposte.net> jeff at eslabs.com a écrit : >More likely than not, the pressure roller arms are slow to engage the pressure rollers due to dried-out lubrication on their pivot shafts. > >Sincerely, >Jeff Galin > >"Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! >ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS >1807 Berlin Turnpike >Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA >VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 >Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Antoine Deschênes" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:09 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX 505E problem > > >Translation : > >Each times he starts playing a tape it's going too fast, but after about >10 secs, it's going normally. > > >Fab a écrit : > > >>A l'aide >>A chaque démarrage d'une K7 la vitesse de lecture est accélérée comme >>si la touche fast foward et la touche play étaient actionnées en même >>et puis au bout d'une dizaine de secondes la lecture devient possible >>Que faire? >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Thanks for your answer what can i do to repair it. Can i repair by myself Sincerely Fab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Mar 26 10:41:01 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 08:41:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Message-ID: Shalom Bala! Yes once Nakamichi fabricated such 1000 series DAT! With NO financial results...the selling's were extremely low...so they dropped soon! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:32:34 -0800 (PST) > >George, > > 3500 GBP? Are you serious? I am so excited you got to see them >in flash. They looked so beautiful in the photos! Bar the tunrtables, the >DAT is the only thing I've not seen from Nakamichi. > > Bala > 79Labs > >george valkov wrote: > I've just returned from my friendly local hi-fi dealer, where I picked >up a CD player to try out in my home system. Anyway, as I was just >looking around while it was being packed I almost got a heart attack >on the spot - I spotted on a shelf two beautiful silver wonders >bearing our favourite logo. Yes indeed - a pristine Nakamichi 1000 DAT >recorder with an equally mint Nakamichi 1000P digital processor on top >- and a beautiful matching remote of the keyboard type, also silver. I >stopped breathing, hearing, thinking - only when one of the owners >shouted out "Hey, stop drooling" did I wake up. I have no use for >these beauties, but at least now I've seen them in "the flesh" and >even touched them. What can I say - amazing ! The window for the tape >mechanism, the sideways-sliding tape well door, everything just so >special and unique. > >The shop is in London, UK and they will soon be putting it on their >website. Both units are 110V, so perfect for the US. They hadn't >worked out a price yet, the number of 3500 GBP was mentioned as an >idea, but that is not final. > >If anyone is interested I can send them the contact details. > >George > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save >big. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Mar 26 10:49:35 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:49:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <20060326033234.76187.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <518b7b10603251017w6e4284b0x10bab9d252b956ae@mail.gmail.com> <20060326033234.76187.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10603260049w2d1c6173m391e48e1a24f7244@mail.gmail.com> Bala, The story is as follows: they have a customer who often buys such exotic stuff, keeps it for a year or two and then sells it off. He had brought them in just a couple of days ago. When I asked about the price, the exact answer was: "I don't know, we haven't thought yet about it, maybe three and a half". Until they actually list them on their website I have no idea what their asking price will be. Of course, then there's the matter of actually finding someone to pay that sort of money. In a few weeks/months it could all become negotiable, who knows to what degree. I still didn't sleep well last night.... George On 3/26/06, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > George, > > 3500 GBP? Are you serious? I am so excited you got to see them in > flash. They looked so beautiful in the photos! Bar the tunrtables, the DAT > is the only thing I've not seen from Nakamichi. > > Bala > 79Labs > > > george valkov wrote: > > I've just returned from my friendly local hi-fi dealer, where I picked > up a CD player to try out in my home system. Anyway, as I was just > looking around while it was being packed I almost got a heart attack > on the spot - I spotted on a shelf two beautiful silver wonders > bearing our favourite logo. Yes indeed - a pristine Nakamichi 1000 DAT > recorder with an equally mint Nakamichi 1000P digital processor on top > - and a beautiful matching remote of t! he keyboard type, also silver. I > > stopped breathing, hearing, thinking - only when one of the owners > shouted out "Hey, stop drooling" did I wake up. I have no use for > these beauties, but at least now I've seen them in "the flesh" and > even touched them. What can I say - amazing ! The window for the tape > mechanism, the sideways-sliding tape well door, everything just so > special and unique. > > The shop is in London, UK and they will soon be putting it on their > website. Both units are 110V, so perfect for the US. They hadn't > worked out a price yet, the number of 3500 GBP was mentioned as an > idea, but that is not final. > > If anyone is interested I can send them the contact details. > > George > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Main! tain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ________________________________ > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save > big. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Mar 26 12:18:56 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:18:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 In-Reply-To: <20060326031410.32806.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060326031410.32806.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44266A90.209@xs4all.nl> To me the Dragon to some degree is less then many other Naks like 68xZX, ZX7/9, 700ZXE etc. These decks are all about recording and the Dragon is to me a step down from these decks since the record head is fixed, i'd compare it to the 582/582Z for that. For playback it's a very nice machine, that is if you play tapes from other sources then yours and you prefer auto-reverse... None of these applies te me basically. But I keep my Dragon anyway..for playback! Wouter Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Awesome Henry! I have 4 680ZXs, a 600 II , 700 TT and 700 II. But why > not the Dragon? > > Bala > 79Labs > */Henry /* wrote: > > Bala, the answer is yes! I will be keeping and the 600 series as > well. in fact all the machines without the Sanko mechs bar the > Dragon. > > --Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > *Sent:* 25 March 2006 13:39 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 > > Hi, > > I assume you are keeping the 68x series decks? > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > *//* > From henry at privatemail.me.uk Sun Mar 26 13:02:17 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:02:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 In-Reply-To: <20060326031410.32806.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, " Why not the Dragon" you ask? Well, Too many features I will never use, auto reverse - cant see the point! so few of my tapes have recordings running to the end of the tape, so you still have to do it manually to avoid long silent gaps in the recording, so why not just turn over the cassette? NAAC - don't need it! all my cassettes play in the 600 - 68 - zx series decks fine, and its not likely that I am going to buy pre-recorded cassettes is it? I don't like the vertical metering. Ease of use - The Dragon to me is a fussy machine - too many buttons! I have to look before I select any function! Lack of record head azimuth adjustment - obviously the Dragon cant have both but I wish it had the other! Correct me if I am wrong but use this record head azimuth adjustment and the resulting recordings should (I think) work in any other deck by any manufacturer, if the playback head is correctly aligned that is, and all mine should be (and if not they will be)? I have a gut feeling that as the Dragons get older many problems will start to show! only time will tell I think? Now the controversial one!! I think its ugly!! Also I believe that my feelings on the Dragon have something to do with how I came by it, as you know all the Naks were "dumped on my doorstep" so to speak. At the time of acquisition I didn't know what a Nak Dragon was! so I have never drooled over eventually owning one as many of you guys have!. When I first saw the Naks in my home I looked for the attractive models and the 600 - 68XX - ZX ( not the forgetting the 1000ZXL!) models shone out!! These decks are, to me things of beauty on par with my beautiful Jaguar E type drophead!, Alas the Dragon in my eyes was not! and therefore was pushed into the background. I cannot get any feelings for it, even now I know how "special" its supposed to be! The more I think about it the more I feel it HAS to go! Also I have an ongoing battle with my dear wife over the amount of money I spend on my "Hobbies" and we have declared peace by me agreeing that I self finance the collection of Hi Fi! By selling off the unwanted gear I should be able to pay the repair bills of B&W, Brian Reeves and Quad. for the foreseeable future! and the cost of converting my dining room to house it! I hope this finally explains why the Dragon and the the other Naks have to go! Anyway one of you guys is probably going to become the owner of a fine Dragon!! I will try to ensure that all the Naks end up in the hands of you guys as I know they are good examples, by offering them on Naktalk first! that's what my dad would have wanted! Thanks Henry -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: 26 March 2006 03:14 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Awesome Henry! I have 4 680ZXs, a 600 II , 700 TT and 700 II. But why not the Dragon? Bala 79Labs Henry wrote: Bala, the answer is yes! I will be keeping and the 600 series as well. in fact all the machines without the Sanko mechs bar the Dragon. --Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 25 March 2006 13:39 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Hi, I assume you are keeping the 68x series decks? Regards Bala 79Labs Henry wrote: So much advice! mostly telling me to keep the Dragon and the CRXX decks, But I KNOW I wont use them. So many of you guys think these decks are the dogs B****cks - but I just don't go for that! So, as I know they are fine examples of the marks, I think they should be owned by enthusiasts who will appreciate them and USE them. I KNOW that if I keep them the! y will end up in storage!! and as so are just lumps of metal and components, that is so wrong! better to let them go to new homes don't you think? As to selling the ZX7s? _ NEVER!! I prefer them above any other of my decks for daily use. They are the decks I have used the most and they perform flawlessly! I cannot tell the known difference between the 7 and the 9 (sonically), and (this is the novice showing here!) because of the white lettering of the ZX7s I find them easier to use! (may even look to trade some of the other decks for another ZX7 ((or Two?)) ). So they stay!! As my family business has always been recycling, it is natural for us to go for restoration as well. That's why I have inherited all this gear, (and the rest _but that's another story). I prefer to drive old cars, but only in perfect order that is! My wife drives a new Mitsubishi Pajero though ( just found out that in Paraguay Pajero translates out to read W*nker!- interesting!!), but she is not the same blood line. Yes I do have these parts from dads home in RSA, one box marked Rubber was stored in a freezer in RSA and is now under half a cow in mine! I will have to empty the crates one day to find out exactly whats in there! when I find somewhere to store them that is. Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of drewes Sent: 24 March 2006 22:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Henry:Some good advise from someone who has got them all as well-----Keep the Dragon and the CR7.Sell the other newer ones and get rid if the ZX7(you got the 'better' ZX9) if you need space!!Strange in my younger days(not that I am that old) I also restored--I mean really restored-- a Model A Ford and an old Mercedes180D.It must be a trait of being besotten with the Nak desease as well as having a restoration kick! BTW I believe we over react when we say that the newer decks are too finicky and subject to breakdowns.I have had no breakdowns with my flock--but then I dont play them ALL at the same time in the morning ,at night and all day!! KEEP those 2 Decks! Walter PS Your dad had indicated once (I think)that he had boxes of spares for Naks in RSA on the South Coast--are these now in your keep?You are lucky! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > Mark, > > I have taken your advice and the Dragon will go in for service next month. > As I stated I feel I will sell the Dragon when it is returned, for the > following reasons: I have 19 Naks on display and connected to! a switching > unit, I have only one spare position left and 6 more machines stored in > the > garage! I have no intention of leaving any machines stored - such a shame! > they need to do what they were designed for - produce fine music! and they > wont do that in a cold garage in Essex! I have been using all the Naks > over > the last few months and have definite favourites, 600II for Dolby b > playback. ZX7 & 9 for recording and Dolby c playback. I have a soft spot > for the 68XX series machines, as others have said, there is a simplicity > about them that oozes reassurance! The CR series decks have a different > sound to them (to my ears anyway!). and the Dragon is over-complicated, I > have no use for the auto-reverse feature or the auto playback head > azimuth, > although I cant fault its playback ability. The machines carrying the > newer > mechs don't inspire confidence? ! So the CR7, Dragon, Cassette deck series, > BX300 and the DR series are to go! Hopefully I can keep the remaining > machines in good order, when B&W close? well that's another day! I know > that it will always be possible but it will involve relying on having > mechanical parts manufactured and electronics reworked using available > components. So costs will be high! I restore old cars as a hobby and I > KNOW that if there is a part that is not available You can ALWAYS get it > made up - at a cost! > > Thanks > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Caton > Sent: 23 March 2006 23:19 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Henry, > > You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in ! for a service. And > when > you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your suspicions - that > it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize that > (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be similar). > For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame at all in > taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. > > Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they might be able > to > give you some pointers. > > Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling - tho you > know there is a ready market out there! > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Henry > Sent: 23 March 2006 22:54 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azi! muth adjustment > > Hi guys, > > I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and > knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning > to > see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few > 3 > head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service > history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all > but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it > perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in > any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. > All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 > years by B&W - but not the Dragon. > Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon > has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just> with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? > I > would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask > what > is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more > technical than "it don't work"!! > I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads > to > some reference tape? > > Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record > head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth > adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I > have > not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start > to > need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going > to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I > prefer, and tend to use the ZX seri! es Naks myself (as did my dad), and so > I > have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. > > Thanks > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > Bravo Ron!!!! > > 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" > the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by > Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the > "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. > > For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes > recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 >> >>Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>Dear all, >>> >>>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>>playback head azimuth correction. >>> >>>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >>> >>>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>>azimuth postion. >>> >>>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth >>>(auto >>>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>>playback head position (auto or user). >>> >>>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>>convenient. >>> >>>Any thoughts on this? >> >>My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >>guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >>back cassettes. >> >>Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >>an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >>other head to match that standard. >> >>Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >>that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >>advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >>making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >>adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >>incorrect recordings. >> >>Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >>against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >>but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >>Nak engineers were ambivalent, since the! y made both. >> >>-- Ron >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------= ======== >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------= ======== >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Main! tain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. 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I received a from my best "Passed Away" audiophile extremely close friend, two years ago a Dragon what was "Boxed" for 20 years ONLY once (1984), record & play one TDK SA-X 90 minutes lengthy cassette. I 100% agreed that is UGLY...also YOU MUST look very carefully which bottoms you must press in or out...NO lights that show you what is what...Human Design failure...also to me! Make love & be in peace with your wife...is much worthy...that collecting cars & audio gear! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Henry" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 >Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:02:17 -0000 > >Bala, >" Why not the Dragon" you ask? Well, Too many features I will never use, >auto reverse - cant see the point! so few of my tapes have recordings >running to the end of the tape, so you still have to do it manually to >avoid >long silent gaps in the recording, so why not just turn over the cassette? >NAAC - don't need it! all my cassettes play in the 600 - 68 - zx series >decks fine, and its not likely that I am going to buy pre-recorded >cassettes >is it? I don't like the vertical metering. Ease of use - The Dragon to me >is a fussy machine - too many buttons! I have to look before I select any >function! Lack of record head azimuth adjustment - obviously the Dragon >cant have both but I wish it had the other! Correct me if I am wrong but >use this record head azimuth adjustment and the resulting recordings should >(I think) work in any other deck by any manufacturer, if the playback head >is correctly aligned that is, and all mine should be (and if not they will >be)? I have a gut feeling that as the Dragons get older many problems will >start to show! only time will tell I think? Now the controversial one!! >I >think its ugly!! >Also I believe that my feelings on the Dragon have something to do with how >I came by it, as you know all the Naks were "dumped on my doorstep" so to >speak. At the time of acquisition I didn't know what a Nak Dragon was! so >I have never drooled over eventually owning one as many of you guys have!. >When I first saw the Naks in my home I looked for the attractive models and >the 600 - 68XX - ZX ( not the forgetting the 1000ZXL!) models shone out!! >These decks are, to me things of beauty on par with my beautiful Jaguar E >type drophead!, Alas the Dragon in my eyes was not! and therefore was >pushed into the background. I cannot get any feelings for it, even now I >know how "special" its supposed to be! >The more I think about it the more I feel it HAS to go! Also I have an >ongoing battle with my dear wife over the amount of money I spend on my >"Hobbies" and we have declared peace by me agreeing that I self finance the >collection of Hi Fi! By selling off the unwanted gear I should be able to >pay the repair bills of B&W, Brian Reeves and Quad. for the foreseeable >future! and the cost of converting my dining room to house it! >I hope this finally explains why the Dragon and the the other Naks have to >go! Anyway one of you guys is probably going to become the owner of a >fine Dragon!! I will try to ensure that all the Naks end up in the hands >of you guys as I know they are good examples, by offering them on Naktalk >first! that's what my dad would have wanted! > >Thanks > >Henry > -----Original Message----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] > Sent: 26 March 2006 03:14 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 > > > Awesome Henry! I have 4 680ZXs, a 600 II , 700 TT and 700 II. But why >not >the Dragon? > > Bala > 79Labs > Henry wrote: > Bala, the answer is yes! I will be keeping and the 600 series as >well. >in fact all the machines without the Sanko mechs bar the Dragon. > > --Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 25 March 2006 13:39 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 > > > Hi, > > I assume you are keeping the 68x series decks? > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > Henry wrote: > So much advice! mostly telling me to keep the Dragon and the CRXX >decks, > But I KNOW I wont use them. So many of you guys think these decks >are the > dogs B****cks - but I just don't go for that! So, as I know they >are >fine > examples of the marks, I think they should be owned by enthusiasts >who will > appreciate them and USE them. I KNOW that if I keep them the! y >will >end up > in storage!! and as so are just lumps of metal and components, >that >is so > wrong! better to let them go to new homes don't you think? As to >selling > the ZX7s? _ NEVER!! I prefer them above any other of my decks for >daily > use. They are the decks I have used the most and they perform >flawlessly! I > cannot tell the known difference between the 7 and the 9 >(sonically), and > (this is the novice showing here!) because of the white lettering >of >the > ZX7s I find them easier to use! (may even look to trade some of >the >other > decks for another ZX7 ((or Two?)) ). So they stay!! > As my family business has always been recycling, it is natural for >us to go > for restoration as well. That's why I have inherited all this >gear, >(and > the rest _but that's another story). I prefer to drive old cars, >but >only > in perfect order that is! My wife drives a new Mitsubishi Pajero >though ( > just found out that in Paraguay Pajero translates out to read >W*nker!- > interesting!!), but she is not the same blood line. Yes I do have >these > parts from dads home in RSA, one box marked Rubber was stored in a >freezer > in RSA and is now under half a cow in mine! I will have to empty >the >crates > one day to find out exactly whats in there! when I find somewhere >to >store > them that is. > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of drewes > Sent: 24 March 2006 22:09 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 > > > Henry:Some good advise from someone who has got them all as >well-----Keep > the Dragon and the CR7.Sell the other newer ones and get rid if >the >ZX7(you > got the 'better' ZX9) if you need space!!Strange in my younger >days(not that > I am that old) I also restored--I mean really restored-- a Model A >Ford and > an old Mercedes180D.It must be a trait of being besotten with the >Nak > desease as well as having a restoration kick! > BTW I believe we over react when we say that the newer decks are >too > finicky and subject to breakdowns.I have had no breakdowns with my > flock--but then I dont play them ALL at the same time in the >morning >,at > night and all day!! > KEEP those 2 Decks! > Walter > PS Your dad had indicated once (I think)that he had boxes of >spares >for Naks > in RSA on the South Coast--are these now in your keep?You are >lucky! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:55 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > > Mark, > > > > I have taken your advice and the Dragon will go in for service >next month. > > As I stated I feel I will sell the Dragon when it is returned, >for >the > > following reasons: I have 19 Naks on display and connected to! a >switching > > unit, I have only one spare position left and 6 more machines >stored in > > the > > garage! I have no intention of leaving any machines stored - >such >a shame! > > they need to do what they were designed for - produce fine >music! >and they > > wont do that in a cold garage in Essex! I have been using all >the >Naks > > over > > the last few months and have definite favourites, 600II for >Dolby >b > > playback. ZX7 & 9 for recording and Dolby c playback. I have a >soft spot > > for the 68XX series machines, as others have said, there is a >simplicity > > about them that oozes reassurance! The CR series decks have a >different > > sound to them (to my ears anyway!). and the Dragon is >over-complicated, I > > have no use for the auto-reverse feature or the auto playback >head > > azimuth, > > although I cant fault its playback ability. The machines >carrying >the > > newer > > mechs don't inspire confidence? ! So the CR7, Dragon, Cassette >deck series, > > BX300 and the DR series are to go! Hopefully I can keep the >remaining > > machines in good order, when B&W close? well that's another day! >I >know > > that it will always be possible but it will involve relying on >having > > mechanical parts manufactured and electronics reworked using >available > > components. So costs will be high! I restore old cars as a hobby >and I > > KNOW that if there is a part that is not available You can >ALWAYS >get it > > made up - at a cost! > > > > Thanks > > > > Henry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Mark Caton > > Sent: 23 March 2006 23:19 > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > > > > Henry, > > > > You're not taking it in for a repair - its going in ! for a >service. And > > when > > you take it/send it in, be straight with them about your >suspicions - that > > it might be drifting out of alignment, and they will prioritize >that > > (speaking on their behalf, but I'm sure their approach would be >similar). > > For a piece of kit like the Dragon I would say there's no shame >at >all in > > taking this approach - you want to get the best out of it. > > > > Better still, give them a call and discuss the issue - they >might >be able > > to > > give you some pointers. > > > > Once it is set up, you might change your feelings about selling >- >tho you > > know there is a ready market out there! > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >On Behalf > > Of Henry > > Sent: 23 March 2006 22:54 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record and Playback azi! muth adjustment > > > > Hi guys, > > > > I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new >kid" >and > > knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am >beginning > > to > > see what the features of different models actually do. I have >quite a few > > 3 > > head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the >service > > history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape >recorded >on all > > but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I >place >in it > > perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played >back in > > any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. > > All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in >the >last 5 > > years by B&W - but not the Dragon. > > Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on >the >Dragon > > has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of >alignment just> with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home >calibration)? > > I > > would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when >B&W >ask > > what > > is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying >something more > > technical than "it don't work"!! > > I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the >"fixed" >heads > > to > > some reference tape? > > > > Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks >with record > > head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head >azimuth > > adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this >because I > > have > > not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it >does start > > to > > need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) >its going > > to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not >around!! I > > prefer, and tend to use the ZX seri! es Naks myself (as did my >dad), and so > > I > > have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its >service. > > > > Thanks > > Henry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > > > > > Bravo Ron!!!! > > > > 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow >to >"Adjust" > > the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% >aligned"...by > > Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC >adjust >the > > "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. > > > > For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play >cassettes > > recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Ron > >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > >>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 > >> > >>Luis Peromarta wrote: > >>>Dear all, > >>> > >>>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have >come >to > >>>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) >recording head > >>>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later >models, to > >>>playback head azimuth correction. > >>> > >>>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape >recorded >in any > >>>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that >tapes > >>>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. > >>> > >>>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could >replay > >>>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other >deck's > >>>azimuth postion. > >>> > >>>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted >for > >>>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had >to >do, is > >>>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback >azimuth > >>>(auto > >>>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording >azimuth to > >>>playback head position (auto or user). > >>> > >>>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth >screws, but > >>>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not >very > >>>convenient. > >>> > >>>Any thoughts on this? > >> > >>My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will > >>guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played > >>back cassettes. > >> > >>Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to > >>an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the > >>other head to match that standard. > >> > >>Which head should serve as the standard? You answered > >>that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an > >>advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, > >>making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to > >>adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for > >>incorrect recordings. > >> > >>Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted > >>against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, > >>but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, > >>Nak engineers were ambivalent, since the! y made both. > >> > >>-- Ron > >> > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------= >======== > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------= >======== > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------= >======== > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Main! tain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1�/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using >Yahoo! >Messenger with Voice. > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low >rates. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Mar 27 00:34:58 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:34:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Message-ID: > so few of my tapes have recordings > running to the end of the tape, so you still have to do it manually > to avoid > long silent gaps in the recording, so why not just turn over the > cassette? Actually, the Dragon in one of the features you probably haven't run across addresses that. If you have it in auto-reverse mode with "memory" feature turned on, it attempts to figure the silent gap as the end of the side, fast-forwards to the end of the tape, reverses, the fast-forwards again (now in the "reverse" direction) to the first sounds on the tape and then goes back into "play" (now in reverse). That's at least the theory. Personally, although I think auto-reverse in general is a nice feature, it's less of an issue for me as a playback thing and especially on a cassette deck. I find it much handier on a R2R when (1) you have a really long piece--like a 4 hour Wagnerian opera, or (2) at a concert during a live recording and you don't have time to swap the reel. The latter is not addressed by the dragon as it doesn't auto-reverse record, number 1, and 2, all other more "recording-oriented" decks need to do record head azimuth adjustment to get that right anyway. 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URL: From henry at privatemail.me.uk Mon Mar 27 01:05:25 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:05:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Settings for recording? Message-ID: Hi guys, Having some trouble with my recording techniques, I am copying from LP to cassette many recordings and I have a couple of questions - the answers to which will make it easier for me. The ZX7 I use has one bad design fault for me - the lack of a ganged recording level control. Should I set both level controls to the same position even though this sometimes shows one channel lower than the other on the meters, or should I set the controls so as the meters read the same level? When setting levels how high can I go without distorting the recording? using good type IV cassettes I seem to be able to get the levels to +10db without my ears detecting any problems, is this ok? When making a recording I don't like to have to adjust the level meters during the recording, so I tend to try to find the most heavily modulated section on the record and set the meters to this level, resulting in other parts showing very low readings on the meters? Doing it this way is very time consuming as Operatic recordings such as the one I have just made, Gluck - Orphee (French recording La Voix de son Maitre ASDF141 Rita Gorr M. Soprano) produce some very unexpected and highly modulated peaks! Is there another - easier way to do it? When I am recording different individual tracks on a tape and have to pause or stop the recording I sometimes hear an audible click where one track ends and the other starts, is there a way to stop this,? I have tried using the master fader controls but I end up with a longer pause between the tracks than I like. When I record on a RtoR Revox I seem to be able to go way off the meter scale without any audible distortion, cassette tape seems less accommodating. Thank you Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Mon Mar 27 01:19:37 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:19:37 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session Message-ID: <016d01c6512b$c02a7790$d34e98de@tec> Hello all I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert here in good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 which was refurbished last year. Mikes used were: 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors 1 Beyer 58 1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). The mike setup was 1 metre placing from 4 people on guitars, voice and cello. The setup was used for sound reinforcement only, so close miking was not used, hence some nice room acoustics were picked up. The recorder did a lovely job on recycled TDK SA 90s, and when I have ripped it to CD, I will put a sample up on the site (if possible as an attachment). Mr moderator: is that possible? Its great doing a real recording! Donald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Mar 27 09:50:03 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 02:50:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Message-ID: <2d1.6161917.3158f32b@aol.com> Hi Henry, I am a Nakamichi Dragon Fan, how much will you charge with shipping yours to USA and what kind of condition it is in, please let me know! Also a big fan of the RX 505 you dont have one of those?! Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 27 11:01:32 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:01:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 VU meter fixing Message-ID: <20060327090132.89742.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Even before I do the idler tire fix (parts on the way...), I've done test recordings on my BX-300E and realized it's a gem that I want to hang onto. I'm smitten already. Consequently, I'd like to get the Nak looking almost as good as it sounds. Looking at my recent purchase more closely, I noticed some slight discoloration on one edge of the VU meter behind the plastic lens. It looks like some liquid might have got in there. I think I know the answer - but can the VU meter lens be removed and refitted or is it - as I suspect - held in place in the aluminium facia with adhesive? The only reason I'm asking is that some members of the list clearly go to great lengths to preserve these classic pieces of kit. From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Mar 27 11:52:44 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:52:44 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Message-ID: <002d01c65184$32c8ef40$0201a8c0@lan> Interesting little discussion this one!. The Dragon is the Nak that I would least like to own.. could never understand the fuss over them, and was always a good starting point for a discussion ( read arguement) amongst my friends!. Very good for polarising opinion, and just as sure as eggs are ovate, I am sure I will cop a few 'scuds' for this statement!. Ugly and fussy as you say Henry. Most of those that have them love them.. most of those that don't, don't!. When in the audio sales game yonks ago, I found that most people who opted for the Dragon when it was introduced did so for 'status' , because these decks were regarded as 'techy' , and were good for impressing the rank and file simply through lots of lights and knob count. The serious audiophile couldn't stomach the antithesis that was autoreverse and so bought a ZX-9. If you wanted autoreverse, you bought an RX.... much more fun to watch ( and better to look at IMHO). The CR7, I would definitely keep though, with the appropriate upgrades... terrific metering, excellent sound, and there is nothing wrong with the Sankyo mechanism. I have a 60:40 split Nak/Sankyo amongst my decks, and the Sankyo's have all been 100% reliable( tire changes excluded), unlike the Nak transports, which do not like downtime in my experience. As for the keeping the 600's, welcome to the club... the secret password will be in the mail :o) Now, Henry, onto the real reason for posting, as an inveterate jag lover..... an E type drophead..I am envious (very).. what year/series?. Would love one, but too expensive, so making do with an XJS (hopefully finished in time for christmas.. this year... was supposed to be 2004!). cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Mar 27 14:56:22 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:56:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Settings for recording? Message-ID: Hi Henry, 1. My suggestion would be to set your recording levels so that the meter readings match - not the number setting on the knobs. 2. Type IV characteristically can take more level than other types, especially in the treble - for instance a MA-XG 315hz MOL is around 6.0dB, whereas the 10kHz SAT figure would be around 1.5dB (off the top of my head). Therefore, set your max input levels to peak around that 1.5dB - where that soprano or contralto really puts in some effort!! Theoretically, MOL figures are based on the point at which 3% harmonic distortion is reached (i.e audible level ) but as you have noticed, this is an over-cautious estimation. Furthermore, many decks overstate displayed input levels to prevent users from wrecking their recordings. Tapes that can take quite a lot of input level are metals, but to a lesser extent Maxell MX, Sony Metal XR and Fuji JP-Metal. (Interestingly, they also more closely match the IEC IV Reference.) TDK AD and AR (and some other highly enhanced type Is) are quite ballsy and don't really discourage a heavy hand. Pure natural chromes, if you have some, and I thnk you have - such as BASF Chrome Super II and Chrome Maxima II and the orginal CE II up until 1998 are very delicate formulae and must stay below 0dB at all times - same goes for Scotch XSII. Newer BASF and Emtec are more tolerant double layer tapes. Treat TDK SA gently - don't go above 0dB and it will revard with quiet, faithfull copies. All in all, it depends strongly on exactly which tape and to an extent which deck you are using. The ZX-7 will knock any tape into shape though. 3. I know well the click/or even thump problem with Naks. Unfortunately, you are pulling anything around 15VA off the head. I too can't seem to get away from it. 4. The ReVox can be pushed much harder on the levels without grief!! Unfortunately, that will always be. The magnetised contact patch on a R-R is massive compared with cassette. The speed of the tape and the width of the magnetised area is many times larger than the contact patch afforded by the pedestrian pace and minuscule size of the compact cassette. Cheers - Marc >>> henry at privatemail.me.uk 3/27/2006 1:05:25 AM >>> Hi guys, Having some trouble with my recording techniques, I am copying from LP to cassette many recordings and I have a couple of questions - the answers to which will make it easier for me. The ZX7 I use has one bad design fault for me - the lack of a ganged recording level control. Should I set both level controls to the same position even though this sometimes shows one channel lower than the other on the meters, or should I set the controls so as the meters read the same level? When setting levels how high can I go without distorting the recording? using good type IV cassettes I seem to be able to get the levels to +10db without my ears detecting any problems, is this ok? When making a recording I don't like to have to adjust the level meters during the recording, so I tend to try to find the most heavily modulated section on the record and set the meters to this level, resulting in other parts showing very low readings on the meters? Doing it this way is very time consuming as Operatic recordings such as the one I have just made, Gluck - Orphee (French recording La Voix de son Maitre ASDF141 Rita Gorr M. Soprano) produce some very unexpected and highly modulated peaks! Is there another - easier way to do it? When I am recording different individual tracks on a tape and have to pause or stop the recording I sometimes hear an audible click where one track ends and the other starts, is there a way to stop this,? I have tried using the master fader controls but I end up with a longer pause between the tracks than I like. When I record on a RtoR Revox I seem to be able to go way off the meter scale without any audible distortion, cassette tape seems less accommodating. Thank you Henry The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 27 15:27:04 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:27:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Settings for recording? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4427E828.6090201@rcn.com> Henry wrote: > Hi guys, > Having some trouble with my recording techniques, I am copying from LP > to cassette many recordings and I have a couple of questions - the > answers to which will make it easier for me. The ZX7 I use has one bad > design fault for me - the lack of a ganged recording level control. > Should I set both level controls to the same position even though this > sometimes shows one channel lower than the other on the meters, or > should I set the controls so as the meters read the same level? Ideally, you would set the controls for identical gain in both channels. You do this by playing back a mono LP and setting the controls for identical deflection of the meters. This will define a 'standard setting', if you will, of the deck for LPs. When recording a stereo LP, you may need to adjust for the different level of the recording. Just make identical corrections. IME, the standard setting for LPs suits many (most?) of my LPs. The same can be said for the standard setting for CDs. > When > setting levels how high can I go without distorting the recording? using > good type IV cassettes I seem to be able to get the levels to +10db > without my ears detecting any problems, is this ok? These are *your* recordings, whatever sounds good to you, *is* good. Personally, I shoot for the positive side of 0db on average high levels with peaks rarely to exceed +5db or so -- on type II cassettes. For type IV, I allow about 5db more. I do not allow peaks to regularly hit +10db. But that's *my* preference; yours may legitimately be different, especially if you do not use NR (I regularly use Dolby B) and prefer to keep average levels higher. > When making a > recording I don't like to have to adjust the level meters during the > recording, so I tend to try to find the most heavily modulated section > on the record and set the meters to this level, resulting in other > parts showing very low readings on the meters? I *never* adjust levels during the recording. IOW, I 'copy', not 'edit'. My purpose is a copy as close to the original recording as possible. I, too, adjust on a high level section. When low levels elsewhere become a problem (very wide dynamic range of the source recording), I may compensate by allowing a bit of over modulation at the peaks. This is rarely a problem with LPs, I wish I could say the same about CDs... This is one of the considerations in type II vs. type IV choice for a specific recording. > Doing it this way is > very time consuming as Operatic recordings such as the one I have just > made, Gluck - Orphee (French recording La Voix de son Maitre ASDF141 > Rita Gorr M. Soprano) produce some very unexpected and highly modulated > peaks! Is there another - easier way to do it? Not really, The problem is trying to shoehorn a wide dynamic range of the source into the available narrow range of the medium, without compressing. You have to trade off noise in low level sections with distortion in the higher level sections. Regardless of technique, you cannot fight the reality of Physics. > When I am recording > different individual tracks on a tape and have to pause or stop the > recording I sometimes hear an audible click where one track ends and the > other starts, is there a way to stop this,? Some decks, (say, the CR-7) have a fader. It eliminates such clicks. In some cases, these clicks are an actual fault with the deck or associated equipment. > I have tried using the > master fader controls but I end up with a longer pause between the > tracks than I like. Try to rewind by hand (about two inches per second) before commencing the recording again. With a little practice, LP side changes are totally unnoticeable. > When I record on a RtoR Revox I seem to be able > to go way off the meter scale without any audible distortion, cassette > tape seems less accommodating. Yep, that's true... -- Ron > > Thank you > > Henry From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Mar 27 16:51:41 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:51:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Settings for recording? Message-ID: Shalom ron! You wrote, >Try to rewind by hand (about two inches per second) before commencing the recording again. With a little practice, LP side changes are totally unnoticeable.< My "System/Way"...is to cueing the needle, at the center of the externally groove...so the "Needle noise"..is NOT recorded & just before the music commence...I press on my Dragon the "Play" bottom...as the deck is in Rec/pause...so NO click noises at all...also my turntable is 100% level, & 99% of my records sound as a Cd player is working & NOT a turntable...no clicking/poping...or other "Legendary: turntable vinly noises...all my friends, when came home can't really understand, how is possible such GROOVE SILENCE. Hope Henry that will help you, making better Lp recordings! ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Settings for recording? >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:27:04 -0500 > > >Henry wrote: >>Hi guys, >>Having some trouble with my recording techniques, I am copying from LP to >>cassette many recordings and I have a couple of questions - the answers to >>which will make it easier for me. The ZX7 I use has one bad design fault >>for me - the lack of a ganged recording level control. Should I set both >>level controls to the same position even though this sometimes shows one >>channel lower than the other on the meters, or should I set the controls >>so as the meters read the same level? > >Ideally, you would set the controls for identical >gain in both channels. You do this by playing back >a mono LP and setting the controls for identical >deflection of the meters. This will define a >'standard setting', if you will, of the deck for >LPs. > >When recording a stereo LP, you may need to adjust >for the different level of the recording. Just make >identical corrections. IME, the standard setting for >LPs suits many (most?) of my LPs. The same can be >said for the standard setting for CDs. > > > When >>setting levels how high can I go without distorting the recording? using >>good type IV cassettes I seem to be able to get the levels to +10db >>without my ears detecting any problems, is this ok? > >These are *your* recordings, whatever sounds good to >you, *is* good. Personally, I shoot for the positive >side of 0db on average high levels with peaks rarely >to exceed +5db or so -- on type II cassettes. For type >IV, I allow about 5db more. I do not allow peaks to >regularly hit +10db. But that's *my* preference; yours >may legitimately be different, especially if you do >not use NR (I regularly use Dolby B) and prefer to >keep average levels higher. > >>When making a recording I don't like to have to adjust the level meters >>during the recording, so I tend to try to find the most heavily modulated >>section on the record and set the meters to this level, resulting in other >>parts showing very low readings on the meters? > >I *never* adjust levels during the recording. IOW, I >'copy', not 'edit'. My purpose is a copy as close to >the original recording as possible. > >I, too, adjust on a high level section. When low >levels elsewhere become a problem (very wide dynamic >range of the source recording), I may compensate by >allowing a bit of over modulation at the peaks. This >is rarely a problem with LPs, I wish I could say the >same about CDs... This is one of the considerations >in type II vs. type IV choice for a specific recording. > >>Doing it this way is very time consuming as Operatic recordings such as >>the one I have just made, Gluck - Orphee (French recording La Voix de son >>Maitre ASDF141 Rita Gorr M. Soprano) produce some very unexpected and >>highly modulated peaks! Is there another - easier way to do it? > >Not really, The problem is trying to shoehorn a wide >dynamic range of the source into the available narrow >range of the medium, without compressing. You have to >trade off noise in low level sections with distortion >in the higher level sections. Regardless of technique, >you cannot fight the reality of Physics. > >>When I am recording different individual tracks on a tape and have to >>pause or stop the recording I sometimes hear an audible click where one >>track ends and the other starts, is there a way to stop this,? > >Some decks, (say, the CR-7) have a fader. It eliminates >such clicks. In some cases, these clicks are an actual >fault with the deck or associated equipment. > >>I have tried using the master fader controls but I end up with a longer >>pause between the tracks than I like. > >Try to rewind by hand (about two inches per second) >before commencing the recording again. With a little >practice, LP side changes are totally unnoticeable. > >>When I record on a RtoR Revox I seem to be able to go way off the meter >>scale without any audible distortion, cassette tape seems less >>accommodating. > >Yep, that's true... > >-- Ron > > >> Thank you >> Henry >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Mon Mar 27 17:52:45 2006 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:52:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic: Reel to Reels Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3DBAA17@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Anyone know about the quality of either of these R2Rs? OTARI MX-5050BII-2 TEAC A-3300S The Otari is much newer, and offered at $375, while the Teac is an older unit offered at $20 (but needs cleaning, alignment, etc.) Thanks! Thom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Bravo Ron!!!! 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 > >Luis Peromarta wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording >>head azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later >>models, to playback head azimuth correction. >> >>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in >>any deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >> >>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>azimuth postion. >> >>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, >>is play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback >>azimuth (auto or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match >>recording azimuth to playback head position (auto or user). >> >>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>convenient. >> >>Any thoughts on this? > >My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will guaranty >incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played back cassettes. > >Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to an accurate >standard, then allow the user to adjust the other head to match that >standard. > >Which head should serve as the standard? You answered that yourself. >It's a trade off. Either has an advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust >the REC head, making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for incorrect >recordings. > >Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted against a >standard, it *will* make correct recordings, but still allow to adjust >for bad cassettes. Obviously, Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they >made both. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 27 17:26:42 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:26:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] My new/old BX-300E In-Reply-To: <4424A10E.9060507@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060324093904.008219a0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060324093904.008219a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060327092642.00836100@earthlink.net> Well, maybe my ear is more attuned to flutter. I wish I could remember the measurements I made after I made the first modification. I use the Nak T100 analyzer for measurements. On the weighted scale, the mod was fine, but the difference was huge on the unweighted scale. Nak provided the unweighted scale to demonstrate that audibility and specifications were not necessarily related. I will try to find a gear drive unit to measure agains my MR2, and report. tom brucker At 08:46 PM 3/24/06 -0500, you wrote: > >I didn't know the idler had any effect on whatsoever >on wow/flutter, regardless of whether the idler is >rubber tire or gear driven. > >I have a CR-7 with a gear idler and a CR-5 with a rubber >tire connected. I have just listened, critically, to a >piano recording on both and could hear neither wow nor >flutter from either. > >-- Ron > > >Hi Tech wrote: >> This is my opinion about the "upgrade": >> Don't do it. If you measure the wow/flutter of the original idler tire >> mech, it will always meet spec. If you measure the revised gear drive, it >> will be above spec, but most important, flutter is the dominant speed >> variation. The flutter is high enough to be audible! >> Replacement tires are readily available and easy to change. Buy a small >> supply and enjoy the deck as it was designed...or save up for an LX 3 ! >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 09:53 AM 3/23/06 +0000, you wrote: >>> Well - it's here. The auction listing said the BX-300E >>> was noisy on rewind so I bid for a new idler tire just >>> after I won the Nak. >>> >>> And, yes, I do really need to fit this ASAP because >>> the noise is one thing but the poor spool take-up is >>> another thing entirely. >>> >>> I've seen the excellent instructions for this job on >>> the 'net and they look clear enough. Are there any >>> other things about disassembling/reassembling the deck >>> I should look out for? >>> >>> Also, I've read that the idler repair is likely to be >>> needed again in 2-3 years (ouch!) so if anyone knows >>> about the BX gear upgrade, who can do it in the UK and >>> how many members of family I'd have to sell to pay for >>> it, I'd be very grateful. >>> >>> Just one thing.. I imagine that when the idler works >>> properly it's almost completely silent. Does the gear >>> upgrade make the transport noisier? >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 27 17:34:53 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:34:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <20060326033234.76187.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <518b7b10603251017w6e4284b0x10bab9d252b956ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2872 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 27 17:21:40 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:21:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment In-Reply-To: <442464CB.5080901@cox.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060324141045.00824cc0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060324141045.00824cc0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060327092140.00825510@earthlink.net> You mean I've had the concept wrong for 15 years??? I'm headed for the highest bridge right now! We have a Dragon in here now with an open channel in the play head. It is no longer available, unless one might appear from Europe. Part # is CA8439 or CA08439A. Tom brucker At 04:29 PM 3/24/06 -0500, you wrote: >Tom - > >The Dragon doesn't compare left and right channels for phase info when >adjusting the azimuth. It's playback head is special - the right >channel part of the head is split into two miniature heads. The Dragon >compares the phase info from these two right channel heads (and the info >should be identical) and adjusts the head azimuth until the phasing >agrees. The output from both right channel heads is summed for the >audio output. The phase differences between the left and right channels >are preserved. > >Tim > >Hi Tech wrote: > >>I too do not buy into the concept of adjusting the play head phase while >>playing, as the Dragon does. Music in real spaces can have phase >>differences. Imagine sitting left of center. The Dragon would move you back >>to center (well in concept anyway). >> There is always a need for a reference. Nakamichi required the US >>service centers to purchase $450 sets of alignment tapes and $800 head >>alignment jigs. With these in hand, every deck from the 250 to the Dragon >>can be properly aligned. If you opt for alignment, as questions about the >>tapes and jigs used. PB frequency response in 700 and 1000 machines that >>need head relapping can only be done with the Nakamichi 20kHz alignment >>tape. BTW, it is this tape that causes the controversy because the Philips >>PB spec only went out to 15kHz. >> >>tom brucker >> >>At 10:53 PM 3/23/06 -0000, you wrote: >> >> >>>Hi guys, >>> >>>I have been following this thread with interest, Being a "new kid" and >>>knowing little about the mechanics of Nak engineering I now am beginning to >>>see what the features of different models actually do. I have quite a few 3 >>>head Naks and as they were all brought new by my dad, I have the service >>>history on them all. All the decks will playback any tape recorded on all >>>but one of the decks perfectly, the Dragon plays any tape I place in it >>>perfectly, tapes recorded in the Dragon sound dulled when played back in >>>any other Nak I own other than the dragon and the CR7. >>>All the decks have been Serviced and calibrated or repaired in the last 5 >>>years by B&W - but not the Dragon. >>>Do you think I would be correct in assuming the record head on the Dragon >>>has somehow drifted out of alignment? can heads go out of alignment just >>>with use (I know my father never ever attempted any at home calibration)? I >>>would like your comments so I don't look a complete idiot when B&W ask what >>>is the reason for taking the machine in to them! by saying something more >>>technical than "it don't work"!! >>>I presume that a Nak calibration will include aligning the "fixed" heads to >>>some reference tape? >>> >>>Silly question, but as I only playback tapes recorded on decks with record >>>head azimuth adjustment (Mostly ZX7 & 9), The playback head azimuth >>>adjustable Dragon is not a feature I would need? I ask this because I have >>>not really taken to the Dragon, I get the feeling that when it does start to >>>need repair(and thats going to happen some time sooner or later) its going >>>to be very difficult and expensive if guys Like B&W are not around!! I >>>prefer, and tend to use the ZX series Naks myself (as did my dad), and so I >>>have decided that I may like to sell the Dragon on after its service. >>> >>>Thanks >>>Henry >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>Behalf Of Alex Cozac >>>Sent: 23 March 2006 14:53 >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >>> >>> >>>Bravo Ron!!!! >>> >>>100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" >>>the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by >>>Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the >>>"Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. >>> >>>For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes >>>recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>ALEX! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: Ron >>>>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >>>>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 >>>> >>>>Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Dear all, >>>>> >>>>>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>>>>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording head >>>>>azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later models, to >>>>>playback head azimuth correction. >>>>> >>>>>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in any >>>>>deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>>>>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >>>>> >>>>>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>>>>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>>>>azimuth postion. >>>>> >>>>>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>>>>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, is >>>>>play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback azimuth (auto >>>>>or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match recording azimuth to >>>>>playback head position (auto or user). >>>>> >>>>>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>>>>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>>>>convenient. >>>>> >>>>>Any thoughts on this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will >>>>guaranty incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played >>>>back cassettes. >>>> >>>>Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to >>>>an accurate standard, then allow the user to adjust the >>>>other head to match that standard. >>>> >>>>Which head should serve as the standard? You answered >>>>that yourself. It's a trade off. Either has an >>>>advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust the REC head, >>>>making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >>>>adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for >>>>incorrect recordings. >>>> >>>>Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted >>>>against a standard, it *will* make correct recordings, >>>>but still allow to adjust for bad cassettes. Obviously, >>>>Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they made both. >>>> >>>>-- Ron >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 27 18:29:45 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:29:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Settings for recording? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Henry This is what I do. When I'm using the Sugden A21 amp or the Quad 44 I switch to Mono and adjust the recording levels so they are level and at reasonable levels while the recorder is in Record/Pause mode. Then I go back to stereo and do the recording. If I am using the Trevor Lees TL1 amp this has no mono switch. In this case, I assume the LP or CD will have been recorded with a reasonable balance between channels (not always the case, of course!) I then set the recorder into Record/Pause mode, play some samples of tracks from the source and use sight of the levels (or ears) to adjust the channels. With your ZX7 you will generally find the control marks are about the same, but this is not necessarily so as they can vary over time, while the control knobs pull off every easily and could be replaced out of sync! (My ZX9 were not dead on until it came back from B&W - I would use the mono signal trick to adjust the relative levels before the service.) I hope this helps Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Henry Sent: 27 March 2006 00:05 To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Settings for recording? Hi guys, Having some trouble with my recording techniques, I am copying from LP to cassette many recordings and I have a couple of questions - the answers to which will make it easier for me. The ZX7 I use has one bad design fault for me - the lack of a ganged recording level control. Should I set both level controls to the same position even though this sometimes shows one channel lower than the other on the meters, or should I set the controls so as the meters read the same level? When setting levels how high can I go without distorting the recording? using good type IV cassettes I seem to be able to get the levels to +10db without my ears detecting any problems, is this ok? When making a recording I don't like to have to adjust the level meters during the recording, so I tend to try to find the most heavily modulated section on the record and set the meters to this level, resulting in other parts showing very low readings on the meters? Doing it this way is very time consuming as Operatic recordings such as the one I have just made, Gluck - Orphee (French recording La Voix de son Maitre ASDF141 Rita Gorr M. Soprano) produce some very unexpected and highly modulated peaks! Is there another - easier way to do it? When I am recording different individual tracks on a tape and have to pause or stop the recording I sometimes hear an audible click where one track ends and the other starts, is there a way to stop this,? I have tried using the master fader controls but I end up with a longer pause between the tracks than I like. When I record on a RtoR Revox I seem to be able to go way off the meter scale without any audible distortion, cassette tape seems less accommodating. Thank you Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 20:27:07 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:27:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10603271027j78172e0cr318673af8b7d9915@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I'm not trying to justify the price - this is what the guy said. I personally wouldn't pay anything for it, since I have no use whatsoever for DAT. Keep checking at www.walrus.co.uk if you want to follow the story. After all, if someone is willing to pay 5000 USD for a mint 1000ZXL Limited Edition. maybe there is someone who will pay GBP3500 for the 1000 DAT + 1000P - don't forget, it's not one beast, but two - the 1000P is a full fledged digital signal processor in its own right. On 3/26/06, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > 3500 GBP? Are you serious? > Yeah, I might consider a decent chunk of change to throw at such a beast, > but not quite that decent. Let me > know if they have a "half-price" sale and I'll START thinking. I admit I > have no idea what it went for new and what > it's really worth (barring its rarity--mainly how good it actually is as a > DAT--you'd hope with the Nak moniker it > would be worthy, but it was late in their life span, no?)-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 20:32:39 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:32:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic: Reel to Reels In-Reply-To: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3DBAA17@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Message-ID: <20060327183239.53450.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Thom, The 3300 is a nice sounding deck, that would be something to sit and listen to, like a Nak 600. It's also a reliable deck once its been through a overhaul. But if want to record and listen fidelity recordings, the 5050 would be better. However for the latter purpose, there are better sounding decks. For that price, you could be better off with a mint Teac X1000R. Regards Bala 79Labs "Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)" wrote: Anyone know about the quality of either of these R2Rs? OTARI MX-5050BII-2 TEAC A-3300S The Otari is much newer, and offered at $375, while the Teac is an older unit offered at $20 (but needs cleaning, alignment, etc.) Thanks! Thom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Bravo Ron!!!! 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to "Adjust" the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% aligned"...by Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' way...NAAC adjust the "Playback head"...and the Recording head is factory aligned. For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play cassettes recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 > >Luis Peromarta wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording >>head azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later >>models, to playback head azimuth correction. >> >>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in >>any deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes >>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >> >>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>azimuth postion. >> >>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, >>is play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback >>azimuth (auto or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match >>recording azimuth to playback head position (auto or user). >> >>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but >>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>convenient. >> >>Any thoughts on this? > >My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will guaranty >incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played back cassettes. > >Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to an accurate >standard, then allow the user to adjust the other head to match that >standard. > >Which head should serve as the standard? You answered that yourself. >It's a trade off. Either has an advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust >the REC head, making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for incorrect >recordings. > >Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted against a >standard, it *will* make correct recordings, but still allow to adjust >for bad cassettes. Obviously, Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they >made both. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at privatemail.me.uk Mon Mar 27 20:36:04 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:36:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 In-Reply-To: <002d01c65184$32c8ef40$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: Hi Martin, thanks for the support and advice . I feel I may have opened a can of worms by my Dragon observations? In my limited time using these decks I found out they not using the Naks with the older Mech causes a problem , the decks had not been used for at least 6 months and the 682ZX capstans would not turn, I actually opened this deck (the one and only time I must add!) and found the capstan drive belt had slipped and after getting it back in place (with a couple of paper clips!) I put it into play mode and gave the captain motor a gentle prod? Its worked ever since!!. One of the ZX7s would not turn the capstans and I used a more technical approach - I gave it a wallop!! That has worked faultlessly ever since as well! I try to run each machine for an hour each week by running a tape. This seems to work as no problems have showed, that is except the problem I have with the Dragon. I will take in what you (and others) say about the CR7 and give it a good run to see how I get on with it, and then make up my mind about keeping it. Now going off topic just for a minute or two! My E type was given to me by my Grandfather who owned it from new (1964) He said that as he began to loose his reactions the car had to go, or it would kill him! Its tried to kill me on may occasions! As I said its a 1964 series 1 drophead in the classic red paintwork its not a "flat floor" by retains the Alloy dashboard trim with toggle switches. it sports the early 4.2 litre engine and one of the first 4 speed all synchromesh gearboxes also it has the closed headlights. it carries the older spokes (Knock off hubs). I have all the original accessories including the black hardtop. Its totally original no bodywork problems or corrosion, the Lump has covered 234000 miles and has just had a total rebuild, as has the gearbox. It drives as all series ones do , hard and fast with a tendency for the rear wheels to out- accelerate the fronts resulting in the famous E type spin! I have uprated brakes, a very necessary mod! On the track with the rebuilt engine and modern lubricants she outperforms her original performance figures: 0 to 60mph - 6.9 secs. standing quarter mile - 14 seconds to 98mph. Top speed - 151.1 mph! I will never do this again though!!! On the road she is more sedate, she has a 39 ft turning circle and is hard to hold back thanks to the 4.2 lump she will still do the " drop into top at 6 mph and accelerate in that gear to max speed" My brother owns her sister in RSA - that was my dads. Both cars are and have always been well looked after so the bodywork is original -no filler -damage or new panels. That's what you get for being one owner cars!! If you really want to know more contact me via henry at privatemail.me.uk as this is not the right place to talk about classic cars! I will tell you about my other classics if you wish? Told you guys I come from a family of collectors and restorers! See what I mean? Thanks Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Martin Short Sent: 27 March 2006 09:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Interesting little discussion this one!. The Dragon is the Nak that I would least like to own.. could never understand the fuss over them, and was always a good starting point for a discussion ( read arguement) amongst my friends!. Very good for polarising opinion, and just as sure as eggs are ovate, I am sure I will cop a few 'scuds' for this statement!. Ugly and fussy as you say Henry. Most of those that have them love them.. most of those that don't, don't!. When in the audio sales game yonks ago, I found that most people who opted for the Dragon when it was introduced did so for 'status' , because these decks were regarded as 'techy' , and were good for impressing the rank and file simply through lots of lights and knob count. The serious audiophile couldn't stomach the antithesis that was autoreverse and so bought a ZX-9. If you wanted autoreverse, you bought an RX.... much more fun to watch ( and better to look at IMHO). The CR7, I would definitely keep though, with the appropriate upgrades... terrific metering, excellent sound, and there is nothing wrong with the Sankyo mechanism. I have a 60:40 split Nak/Sankyo amongst my decks, and the Sankyo's have all been 100% reliable( tire changes excluded), unlike the Nak transports, which do not like downtime in my experience. As for the keeping the 600's, welcome to the club... the secret password will be in the mail :o) Now, Henry, onto the real reason for posting, as an inveterate jag lover..... an E type drophead..I am envious (very).. what year/series?. Would love one, but too expensive, so making do with an XJS (hopefully finished in time for christmas.. this year... was supposed to be 2004!). cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 20:36:46 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:36:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <518b7b10603271027j78172e0cr318673af8b7d9915@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060327183646.8486.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi George, Comparing the two 1000s :)... I still find GBP 3500 a little too steep! But these are nonetheless fine and heavy weight equipment that have very beautiful looks. Won't you bring it home George? Wont you? Bala 79Labs george valkov wrote: Hey, I'm not trying to justify the price - this is what the guy said. I personally wouldn't pay anything for it, since I have no use whatsoever for DAT. Keep checking at www.walrus.co.uk if you want to follow the story. After all, if someone is willing to pay 5000 USD for a mint 1000ZXL Limited Edition. maybe there is someone who will pay GBP3500 for the 1000 DAT + 1000P - don't forget, it's not one beast, but two - the 1000P is a full fledged digital signal processor in its own right. On 3/26/06, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > 3500 GBP? Are you serious? > Yeah, I might consider a decent chunk of change to throw at such a beast, > but not quite that decent. Let me > know if they have a "half-price" sale and I'll START thinking. I admit I > have no idea what it went for new and what > it's really worth (barring its rarity--mainly how good it actually is as a > DAT--you'd hope with the Nak moniker it > would be worthy, but it was late in their life span, no?)-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! 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Gray) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:41:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic: Reel to Reels In-Reply-To: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3DBAA17@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> References: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3DBAA17@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Message-ID: <442831F5.7040000@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Thomas, Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) wrote: > Anyone know about the quality of either of these R2Rs? > > OTARI MX-5050BII-2 This is an excellent studio recorder. > TEAC A-3300S This is a midpriced home stereo unit. > > The Otari is much newer, and offered at $375, while the Teac is an older > unit offered at $20 (but needs cleaning, alignment, etc.) > Grab the Otari! > Thanks! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From henry at privatemail.me.uk Mon Mar 27 20:44:46 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:44:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Settings for recording? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guys, Thanks for all your experienced advice. I never thought about the switching to mono to adjust the merers! Will try putting it all to practice later tonight - Probably another all night session!! Thanks again Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: 27 March 2006 16:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Settings for recording? Hi Henry This is what I do. When I'm using the Sugden A21 amp or the Quad 44 I switch to Mono and adjust the recording levels so they are level and at reasonable levels while the recorder is in Record/Pause mode. Then I go back to stereo and do the recording. If I am using the Trevor Lees TL1 amp this has no mono switch. In this case, I assume the LP or CD will have been recorded with a reasonable balance between channels (not always the case, of course!) I then set the recorder into Record/Pause mode, play some samples of tracks from the source and use sight of the levels (or ears) to adjust the channels. With your ZX7 you will generally find the control marks are about the same, but this is not necessarily so as they can vary over time, while the control knobs pull off every easily and could be replaced out of sync! (My ZX9 were not dead on until it came back from B&W - I would use the mono signal trick to adjust the relative levels before the service.) I hope this helps Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Henry Sent: 27 March 2006 00:05 To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Settings for recording? Hi guys, Having some trouble with my recording techniques, I am copying from LP to cassette many recordings and I have a couple of questions - the answers to which will make it easier for me. The ZX7 I use has one bad design fault for me - the lack of a ganged recording level control. Should I set both level controls to the same position even though this sometimes shows one channel lower than the other on the meters, or should I set the controls so as the meters read the same level? When setting levels how high can I go without distorting the recording? using good type IV cassettes I seem to be able to get the levels to +10db without my ears detecting any problems, is this ok? When making a recording I don't like to have to adjust the level meters during the recording, so I tend to try to find the most heavily modulated section on the record and set the meters to this level, resulting in other parts showing very low readings on the meters? Doing it this way is very time consuming as Operatic recordings such as the one I have just made, Gluck - Orphee (French recording La Voix de son Maitre ASDF141 Rita Gorr M. Soprano) produce some very unexpected and highly modulated peaks! Is there another - easier way to do it? When I am recording different individual tracks on a tape and have to pause or stop the recording I sometimes hear an audible click where one track ends and the other starts, is there a way to stop this,? I have tried using the master fader controls but I end up with a longer pause between the tracks than I like. When I record on a RtoR Revox I seem to be able to go way off the meter scale without any audible distortion, cassette tape seems less accommodating. Thank you Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 20:46:44 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:46:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <20060327183646.8486.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <518b7b10603271027j78172e0cr318673af8b7d9915@mail.gmail.com> <20060327183646.8486.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10603271046s4b0b9ff4h991036a875d2dbd4@mail.gmail.com> OK, Bala, if I can get it like the 1000ZXL I got a couple of years ago - "you can have it for free, just come and pick it up in person, I can't be bothered to pack the beast and ship it" - why not -:) Admittedly the ZXL was in non-working condition, but it took my personal techie about 20 minutes to get it up and running - that included replacing the replacement IC, beacuse it was defective. George On 3/27/06, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi George, > > Comparing the two 1000s :)... I still find GBP 3500 a little too > steep! But these are nonetheless fine and heavy weight equipment that have > very beautiful looks. Won't you bring it home George? Wont you? > > Bala > 79Labs > > > george valkov wrote: > > Hey, I'm not trying to justify the price - this is what the guy said. > I personally wouldn't pay anything for it, since I have no use > whatsoever for DAT. > > Keep checking at www.walrus.co.uk if you want to follow the story. > > After all, if someone is willing to pay 5000 USD for a mint 1000ZXL > Limited Edition. maybe there is someone who will pay GBP3500 for the > 1000 DAT + 1000P - don't forget, it's not one beast, but two - the > 1000! P is a full fledged digital signal processor in its own right. > > > On 3/26/06, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > > 3500 GBP? Are you serious? > > Yeah, I might consider a decent chunk of change to throw at such a beast, > > but not quite that decent. Let me > > know if they have a "half-price" sale and I'll START thinking. I admit I > > have no idea what it went for new and what > > it's really worth (barring its rarity--mainly how good it actually is as a > > DAT--you'd hope with the Nak moniker it > > would be worthy, but it was late in their life span, no?)-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ________________________________ > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save > big. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From N4229K at aol.com Mon Mar 27 21:04:43 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:04:43 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic: Reel to Reels Message-ID: <24b.95e35d7.3159914b@aol.com> Hi Thom: I agree with Bala although my favorite RTR is a a Tandberg 10XD or 10X as it can record at 3 3/4 as well as most at 7 1/2. The older Teac A-4010GSL and A-7010GSL series are work houses and I still have mine I bought in 1973. I have a friend that flew fighters with me in Vietnam who said he give me his 4010 and hope to goto Washington, DC this weekend and put it through the paces. About 10 years ago I saw it before he stopped using it and it was just like new. Bala I'm going to have to join the 600 club and pick one up. What one is the most preferred? As you know Bala, I have a lot of Naks but I play my RX-505 the most and the Dragon (which I bought new) just sits there 99% of the time. My hearing is shot from flying Jets but I'm going to do a the 600 comparison not only with my ears but watching a Scope also. Best Regards, Dean In a message dated 3/27/2006 1:42:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Thom, The 3300 is a nice sounding deck, that would be something to sit and listen to, like a Nak 600. It's also a reliable deck once its been through a overhaul. But if want to record and listen fidelity recordings, the 5050 would be better. However for the latter purpose, there are better sounding decks. For that price, you could be better off with a mint Teac X1000R. Regards Bala 79Labs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at privatemail.me.uk Mon Mar 27 21:07:58 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:07:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 In-Reply-To: <2d1.6161917.3158f32b@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Ali!. As with all of the decks they are one owner - cosmetically perfect and have been properly serviced by the right people. I have the original packaging, the manuals and supplied accessories and tapes. also the service histories and original recipes. The Dragon may have a misaligned record head so I am told, and I have booked it in to have a full service and calibration. I hope to be able offer the Naks on this site in about 6 weeks time, but shipping cost I have no idea about? One thing you should take note of is, The decks are all 240 volt models and have no visible means of changing to the 120 volt US standard. "E" models I believe. so this will probably restrict the countries where they will work? I think?. I have one RX505 - but I want to keep this one! Thanks Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: 27 March 2006 07:50 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Hi Henry, I am a Nakamichi Dragon Fan, how much will you charge with shipping yours to USA and what kind of condition it is in, please let me know! Also a big fan of the RX 505 you dont have one of those?! Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 21:16:34 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:16:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <518b7b10603271046s4b0b9ff4h991036a875d2dbd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060327191634.52206.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sniff sniff George. Looks like the Chairman of the Board isn't all that flaky. There is a tantalum capacitor inside the display unit which has a tendency to pop. Nothing serious. It doesnt hurt the circuit. But it creates a short and when it pops, it takes the darlington stages in the power supply with it. Majority of the faulty machines have this problem. Once replaced, the entire deck works fine. Getting the DAT1000 like how you got the ZXL is...erm.. shall I say pure luck, Its like how I stumbled upon 4 G36s, 2 A77s and a pile of 7 Garrard 401s at a recycling dump. A 5th G36 was being torn apart for its metal. I came back in the middle of the night and say all those things out there wet in a drizzle. With two hands, I grabbed a G36, slammed a cover on top and got her home. Dried out, two days later, she was fully working. Intact with original Philips Miniwatt tubes. Bala Ganesh 79Labs george valkov wrote: OK, Bala, if I can get it like the 1000ZXL I got a couple of years ago - "you can have it for free, just come and pick it up in person, I can't be bothered to pack the beast and ship it" - why not -:) Admittedly the ZXL was in non-working condition, but it took my personal techie about 20 minutes to get it up and running - that included replacing the replacement IC, beacuse it was defective. George On 3/27/06, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi George, > > Comparing the two 1000s :)... I still find GBP 3500 a little too > steep! But these are nonetheless fine and heavy weight equipment that have > very beautiful looks. Won't you bring it home George? Wont you? > > Bala > 79Labs > > > george valkov wrote: > > Hey, I'm not trying to justify the price - this is what the guy said. > I personally wouldn't pay anything for it, since I have no use > whatsoever for DAT. > > Keep checking at www.walrus.co.uk if you want to follow the story. > > After all, if someone is willing to pay 5000 USD for a mint 1000ZXL > Limited Edition. maybe there is someone who will pay GBP3500 for the > 1000 DAT + 1000P - don't forget, it's not one beast, but two - the > 1000! P is a full fledged digital signal processor in its own right. > > > On 3/26/06, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > > 3500 GBP? Are you serious? > > Yeah, I might consider a decent chunk of change to throw at such a beast, > > but not quite that decent. Let me > > know if they have a "half-price" sale and I'll START thinking. I admit I > > have no idea what it went for new and what > > it's really worth (barring its rarity--mainly how good it actually is as a > > DAT--you'd hope with the Nak moniker it > > would be worthy, but it was late in their life span, no?)-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ________________________________ > New Yahoo! 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Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ady at spamcop.net Mon Mar 27 22:00:30 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:00:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> References: <518b7b10603251017w6e4284b0x10bab9d252b956ae@mail.gmail.com> <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <446E92CA-43C4-4C04-9C32-C5981837903E@spamcop.net> hey... i've got an original 680 2 speed... are they rare? the first owner bought it in hong kong before moving back to the uk.. adrian On 27 Mar 2006, at 16:34, Hi Tech wrote: > You've seen a T100 ? How about a 600 rack system? An original 680 > 2 speed? A 730 receiver with remote? ADS 2002 w/ 250 in a suitcase? > TD1200? > Sorry, I just like obscure stuff. > > tom brucker > > At 07:32 PM 3/25/06 -0800, you wrote: > >>>> > George, > > 3500 GBP? Are you serious? I am so excited you got to see > them in flash. They looked so beautiful in the photos! Bar the > tunrtables, the DAT is the only thing I've not seen from Nakamichi. > > Bala > 79Labs > > george valkov wrote: > I've just returned from my friendly local hi-fi dealer, where I > picked > up a CD player to try out in my home system. Anyway, as I was just > looking around while it was being packed I almost got a heart attack > on the spot - I spotted on a shelf two beautiful silver wonders > bearing our favourite logo. Yes indeed - a pristine Nakamichi 1000 DAT > recorder with an equally mint Nakamichi 1000P digital processor on top > - and a beautiful matching remote of t! he keyboard type, also > silver. I > stopped breathing, hearing, thinking - only when one of the owners > shouted out "Hey, stop drooling" did I wake up. I have no use for > these beauties, but at least now I've seen them in "the flesh" and > even touched them. What can I say - amazing ! The window for the tape > mechanism, the sideways-sliding tape well door, everything just so > special and unique. > > The shop is in London, UK and they will soon be putting it on their > website. Both units are 110V, so perfect for the US. They hadn't > worked out a price yet, the number of 3500 GBP was mentioned as an > idea, but that is not final. > > If anyone is interested I can send them the contact details. > > George > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Main! tain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > ---------- > New Yahoo! 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URL: From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Mon Mar 27 22:17:14 2006 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:17:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic: Reel to Reels Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3DBADE8@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Thanks, Dean... One of my best friends flew fighters for the Navy- was a test pilot at Pax River, then an instructor there. Now he works in the Skunk Works. Still flying. He says he has to grow up some day, but he will turn 50 this year and doesn't show any signs of slowing down. Thom ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of N4229K at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 2:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off-topic: Reel to Reels Hi Thom: I agree with Bala although my favorite RTR is a a Tandberg 10XD or 10X as it can record at 3 3/4 as well as most at 7 1/2. The older Teac A-4010GSL and A-7010GSL series are work houses and I still have mine I bought in 1973. I have a friend that flew fighters with me in Vietnam who said he give me his 4010 and hope to goto Washington, DC this weekend and put it through the paces. About 10 years ago I saw it before he stopped using it and it was just like new. Bala I'm going to have to join the 600 club and pick one up. What one is the most preferred? As you know Bala, I have a lot of Naks but I play my RX-505 the most and the Dragon (which I bought new) just sits there 99% of the time. My hearing is shot from flying Jets but I'm going to do a the 600 comparison not only with my ears but watching a Scope also. Best Regards, Dean In a message dated 3/27/2006 1:42:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Thom, The 3300 is a nice sounding deck, that would be something to sit and listen to, like a Nak 600. It's also a reliable deck once its been through a overhaul. But if want to record and listen fidelity recordings, the 5050 would be better. However for the latter purpose, there are better sounding decks. For that price, you could be better off with a mint Teac X1000R. Regards Bala 79Labs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Mon Mar 27 22:48:19 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:48:19 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic: Reel to Reels References: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3DBAA17@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Message-ID: <003a01c651df$c81dc970$2c0598de@tec> Hello Kanwit I have a 3300 in a half track configuration. Heavy and solid, and capable of fine analog recording. $20 has to be a bargain even if you have to spend money on alignment etc. Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic: Reel to Reels > Anyone know about the quality of either of these R2Rs? > > OTARI MX-5050BII-2 > > TEAC A-3300S > > The Otari is much newer, and offered at $375, while the Teac is an older > unit offered at $20 (but needs cleaning, alignment, etc.) > > Thanks! > > Thom > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:53 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > Bravo Ron!!!! > > 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to > "Adjust" > the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% > aligned"...by Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' > way...NAAC adjust the "Playback head"...and the Recording head is > factory aligned. > > For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play > cassettes recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 >> >>Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>Dear all, >>> >>>While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>>realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording >>>head azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later >>>models, to playback head azimuth correction. >>> >>>Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in >>>any deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes > >>>recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >>> >>>I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>>anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>>azimuth postion. >>> >>>Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>>recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, >>>is play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback >>>azimuth (auto or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match >>>recording azimuth to playback head position (auto or user). >>> >>>Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but > >>>would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>>convenient. >>> >>>Any thoughts on this? >> >>My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will guaranty >>incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played back cassettes. >> >>Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to an accurate >>standard, then allow the user to adjust the other head to match that >>standard. >> >>Which head should serve as the standard? You answered that yourself. >>It's a trade off. Either has an advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust > >>the REC head, making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >>adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for incorrect >>recordings. >> >>Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted against a >>standard, it *will* make correct recordings, but still allow to adjust >>for bad cassettes. Obviously, Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they > >>made both. >> >>-- Ron >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------====== > === >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------====== > === >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>=== > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Mar 28 01:47:29 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:47:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic: Reel to Reels In-Reply-To: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3DBAA17@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> References: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3DBAA17@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:52:45 -0600, Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) wrote: Hi Thomas-if you dont buy the Otari-i want it. Could you possibly put me in touch with the owner if you decide not to pick it up? thanks > Anyone know about the quality of either of these R2Rs? > > OTARI MX-5050BII-2 > > TEAC A-3300S > > The Otari is much newer, and offered at $375, while the Teac is an older > unit offered at $20 (but needs cleaning, alignment, etc.) > > Thanks! > > Thom > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:53 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment > > Bravo Ron!!!! > > 100% cute response, as the Tri tracer 700 & 1000 series, allow to > "Adjust" > the recording head...leaving the playback head "Factory 100% > aligned"...by Nak standards...now my Dragon use the "Reversed' > way...NAAC adjust the "Playback head"...and the Recording head is > factory aligned. > > For me the "Dragon" way is the best...as makes the unit to play > cassettes recorded by "A NOT 100% calibrated/aligned" recording heads. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Ron >> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment >> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:12 -0500 >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> While in the proccess of building my Nak collection, I have come to >>> realize that Nakamichi, used to have a user (or automatic) recording >>> head azimuth adjustment in the past, only to change in the later >>> models, to playback head azimuth correction. >>> >>> Where as the later is convenient to play almost any tape recorded in >>> any deck, providing accurate replay, the earlier made shure that tapes > >>> recorded matched the actual playback azimuth, good or bad. >>> >>> I would have provided the decks with both, making sure I could replay >>> anything, and furthermore, I could match (almost-) any other deck's >>> azimuth postion. >>> >>> Example, say a friend has ACME branded deck, properly adjusted for >>> recording / playback, but slightly different my Nak. All I had to do, >>> is play in my Nak a tape recorded in ACME deck, adjust playback >>> azimuth (auto or user), place the new tape on the Nak, and match >>> recording azimuth to playback head position (auto or user). >>> >>> Of course this could be done by hand adjusting the azimuth screws, but > >>> would need constant re-calibration of the deck, which os not very >>> convenient. >>> >>> Any thoughts on this? >> >> My thinking is that making both heads adjustable will guaranty >> incorrect azimuth for both recorded and played back cassettes. >> >> Nak's solution was to adjust one head in the lab to an accurate >> standard, then allow the user to adjust the other head to match that >> standard. >> >> Which head should serve as the standard? You answered that yourself. >> It's a trade off. Either has an advantage. My 582 allowed one to adjust > >> the REC head, making for correct recordings. My CR-7 allows one to >> adjust the PB head, allowing for correct PB, even for incorrect >> recordings. >> >> Personally, I prefer the CR-7, because, once adjusted against a >> standard, it *will* make correct recordings, but still allow to adjust >> for bad cassettes. Obviously, Nak engineers were ambivalent, since they > >> made both. >> >> -- Ron >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== > === >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== > === >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From enoyes at snet.net Tue Mar 28 04:35:00 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:35:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> References: <518b7b10603251017w6e4284b0x10bab9d252b956ae@mail.gmail.com> <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4428A0D4.10008@snet.net> Okay, I can't resist now and will show my age, mind you all that I was a very young audiophile when I eagerly awaited and helped set up the earliest 58x and 68x models the day they arrived at the local shop. The Metal tape that came with them sounded absolutely amazing and before long a Thorens 126III was feeding the decks all our most demanding direct to disk and other audiophile pressings in a vain attempt to make the Naks falter. Needless to say, the decks were (and still are) beyond reproach. It was only 8 or 9 years later that I saw and listened to the Nakamichi DAT deck at a high end shop in Connecticut. I had made it past security and into what was known as the "second mortgage" room. Martin Logans, big Theils and Maggies, Linn's and Audio Research... that sort of stuff... and on that day the most beautiful 2 pieces of gear I've probably ever seen. The Nak DAT transport and converter. About $10,000 if I remember right. I was able to listen for about 15 minutes or so and I wouldn't be able to accurately say how it sounded by today's standards, but it was the best digital I'd ever heard to that time... and I knew the Wadia next to the DAT deck pretty well. Good times they were. Ed Hi Tech wrote: > You've seen a T100 ? How about a 600 rack system? An original 680 2 > speed? A 730 receiver with remote? ADS 2002 w/ 250 in a suitcase? TD1200? > Sorry, I just like obscure stuff. > > tom brucker > > At 07:32 PM 3/25/06 -0800, you wrote: > >>>> > George, > > > 3500 GBP? Are you serious? I am so excited you got to see them in > flash. They looked so beautiful in the photos! Bar the tunrtables, the > DAT is the only thing I've not seen from Nakamichi. > > > Bala > 79Labs > > george valkov wrote: > I've just returned from my friendly local hi-fi dealer, where I picked > up a CD player to try out in my home system. Anyway, as I was just > looking around while it was being packed I almost got a heart attack > on the spot - I spotted on a shelf two beautiful silver wonders > bearing our favourite logo. Yes indeed - a pristine Nakamichi 1000 DAT > recorder with an equally mint Nakamichi 1000P digital processor on top > - and a beautiful matching remote of t! he keyboard type, also silver. I > stopped breathing, hearing, thinking - only when one of the owners > shouted out "Hey, stop drooling" did I wake up. I have no use for > these beauties, but at least now I've seen them in "the flesh" and > even touched them. What can I say - amazing ! The window for the tape > mechanism, the sideways-sliding tape well door, everything just so > special and unique. > > The shop is in London, UK and they will soon be putting it on their > website. Both units are 110V, so perfect for the US. They hadn't > worked out a price yet, the number of 3500 GBP was mentioned as an > idea, but that is not final. > > If anyone is interested I can send them the contact details. > > George > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Main! tain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ---------- > New Yahoo! 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Both models are essentially the same. The 600/II has the headphones output added. One suggestion is after getting it, take it apart and work on all the connectors with Caig Pro-Gold. Most of the major problems with it are related to poor contact. Hmm..well leave the scope out. Get some good vocals like Sinatra or London and try them. I really love the way the 600 potrays vocals. Regards Bala 79Labs N4229K at aol.com wrote: Hi Thom: I agree with Bala although my favorite RTR is a a Tandberg 10XD or 10X as it can record at 3 3/4 as well as most at 7 1/2. The older Teac A-4010GSL and A-7010GSL series are work houses and I still have mine I bought in 1973. I have a friend that flew fighters with me in Vietnam who said he give me his 4010 and hope to goto Washington, DC this weekend and put it through the paces. About 10 years ago I saw it before he stopped using it and it was just like new. Bala I'm going to have to join the 600 club and pick one up. What one is the most preferred? As you know Bala, I have a lot of Naks but I play my RX-505 the most and the Dragon (which I bought new) just sits there 99% of the time. My hearing is shot from flying Jets but I'm going to do a the 600 comparison not only with my ears but watching a Scope also. Best Regards, Dean In a message dated 3/27/2006 1:42:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Thom, The 3300 is a nice sounding deck, that would be something to sit and listen to, like a Nak 600. It's also a reliable deck once its been through a overhaul. But if want to record and listen fidelity recordings, the 5050 would be better. However for the latter purpose, there are better sounding decks. For that price, you could be better off with a mint Teac X1000R. Regards Bala 79Labs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at richardhess.com Tue Mar 28 06:37:35 2006 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:37:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Reel Tables not turning. Suggestions? Toronto Repair? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060327233730.042c42f8@richardhess.com> Hi, One of my Dragons' reel tables stopped spinning. All modes are no reel table movement. Any thoughts as to common causes? I'm looking for a brief overview. It looks as if I'll take it in to service. I had Ontario Audio Visual Service in Brampton fix one Dragon and they seemed to do a good job. I guess I'll send them this one too, unless someone has a better suggestion in the Greater Toronto Area. Thanks! Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From britri at comcast.net Tue Mar 28 09:38:14 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:38:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> References: <518b7b10603251017w6e4284b0x10bab9d252b956ae@mail.gmail.com> <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Cheers to all the equipment you mentioned. The rack system is the one of the best looking stereos I have ever seen. I have 2 of the case systems: 1 with a 250, the other with a 350. These little jewels rock many very good systems. The td1200 is the best looking/ sounding car audio piece ever made. Thank you for bringing these to the forefront. Best, Brien On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Hi Tech wrote: > You've seen a T100 ? How about a 600 rack system? An original 680 > 2 speed? A 730 receiver with remote? ADS 2002 w/ 250 in a suitcase? > TD1200? > Sorry, I just like obscure stuff. > > tom brucker > > At 07:32 PM 3/25/06 -0800, you wrote: > >>>> > George, > > 3500 GBP? Are you serious? I am so excited you got to see > them in flash. They looked so beautiful in the photos! Bar the > tunrtables, the DAT is the only thing I've not seen from Nakamichi. > > Bala > 79Labs > > george valkov wrote: > I've just returned from my friendly local hi-fi dealer, where I > picked > up a CD player to try out in my home system. Anyway, as I was just > looking around while it was being packed I almost got a heart attack > on the spot - I spotted on a shelf two beautiful silver wonders > bearing our favourite logo. Yes indeed - a pristine Nakamichi 1000 DAT > recorder with an equally mint Nakamichi 1000P digital processor on top > - and a beautiful matching remote of t! he keyboard type, also > silver. I > stopped breathing, hearing, thinking - only when one of the owners > shouted out "Hey, stop drooling" did I wake up. I have no use for > these beauties, but at least now I've seen them in "the flesh" and > even touched them. What can I say - amazing ! The window for the tape > mechanism, the sideways-sliding tape well door, everything just so > special and unique. > > The shop is in London, UK and they will soon be putting it on their > website. Both units are 110V, so perfect for the US. They hadn't > worked out a price yet, the number of 3500 GBP was mentioned as an > idea, but that is not final. > > If anyone is interested I can send them the contact details. > > George > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Main! tain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > ---------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. taglines/postman5/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http:// > beta.messenger.yahoo.com >Call regular phones from your PC and save > big.========---------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 11:47:44 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:47:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <4428A0D4.10008@snet.net> Message-ID: <20060328094744.80638.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ed, Rest assured that even today, many audiophile cd players with tweaks and upgrades are in vain of trying to oust the 680ZX - a stock model. The timing clock helps low level detail and the expensive auricaps seems to add some silkiness to the treble. But they cant just produce the warm, relaxed sound with the open and precise spatial imaging of the 680ZX.The firm, spot on percussion comes so easy for this deck! When I am transferring some super-cut records from Denon, the 680ZX delivers the sound as good as it gets! The source? A VPI TNT IV with 12in. arm ! I simply feel I'm missing out something really great by not having heard the DAT1000. It certainly has to be a solid piece of equipment. The analogue tape equivalent, The Chairman of the Board, 1000ZXL is in my listening room to electrify me though..hehe Regards Bala 79Labs Edward Noyes wrote: Okay, I can't resist now and will show my age, mind you all that I was a very young audiophile when I eagerly awaited and helped set up the earliest 58x and 68x models the day they arrived at the local shop. The Metal tape that came with them sounded absolutely amazing and before long a Thorens 126III was feeding the decks all our most demanding direct to disk and other audiophile pressings in a vain attempt to make the Naks falter. Needless to say, the decks were (and still are) beyond reproach. It was only 8 or 9 years later that I saw and listened to the Nakamichi DAT deck at a high end shop in Connecticut. I had made it past security and into what was known as the "second mortgage" room. Martin Logans, big Theils and Maggies, Linn's and Audio Research... that sort of stuff... and on that day the most beautiful 2 pieces of gear I've probably ever seen. The Nak DAT transport and converter. About $10,000 if I remember right. I was able to listen for about 15 minutes or so and I wouldn't be able to accurately say how it sounded by today's standards, but it was the best digital I'd ever heard to that time... and I knew the Wadia next to the DAT deck pretty well. Good times they were. Ed Hi Tech wrote: You've seen a T100 ? How about a 600 rack system? An original 680 2 speed? A 730 receiver with remote? ADS 2002 w/ 250 in a suitcase? TD1200? Sorry, I just like obscure stuff. tom brucker At 07:32 PM 3/25/06 -0800, you wrote: >>>> George, 3500 GBP? Are you serious? I am so excited you got to see them in flash. They looked so beautiful in the photos! Bar the tunrtables, the DAT is the only thing I've not seen from Nakamichi. Bala 79Labs george valkov wrote: I've just returned from my friendly local hi-fi dealer, where I picked up a CD player to try out in my home system. Anyway, as I was just looking around while it was being packed I almost got a heart attack on the spot - I spotted on a shelf two beautiful silver wonders bearing our favourite logo. Yes indeed - a pristine Nakamichi 1000 DAT recorder with an equally mint Nakamichi 1000P digital processor on top - and a beautiful matching remote of t! he keyboard type, also silver. I stopped breathing, hearing, thinking - only when one of the owners shouted out "Hey, stop drooling" did I wake up. I have no use for these beauties, but at least now I've seen them in "the flesh" and even touched them. What can I say - amazing ! The window for the tape mechanism, the sideways-sliding tape well door, everything just so special and unique. The shop is in London, UK and they will soon be putting it on their website. Both units are 110V, so perfect for the US. They hadn't worked out a price yet, the number of 3500 GBP was mentioned as an idea, but that is not final. If anyone is interested I can send them the contact details. George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Main! tain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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URL: From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Tue Mar 28 15:51:52 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:51:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 505 Fronts Message-ID: <000601c6526e$c52c68e0$002fd255@homeduron1300> Hi everyone, As someone who found he had to search the world for a couple of RX505 plastic cassette carriage covers (ex-studio 505's often have them removed), I thought I should alert all 505 owners to the plastic covers on eBay (UK) at the moment. If you need one, grab one whilst you can. David Ps anyone know how to access that member's location map? - I occasionally like to know where some learned scribe hails from, just out of interest. No chance of a link on the Nak site, I suppose. (Don't tell me, there already is one). From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 28 16:32:42 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:32:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session In-Reply-To: <016d01c6512b$c02a7790$d34e98de@tec> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060328083242.00823b60@earthlink.net> There were pictures in old Nak brochures of the concert hall built for small ensemble recordings. Nakamichi would bring in the musicians and Nak owners would set up mics and make tapes...CM700s and a 550 naturally! Keep the spirit alive. The 550 had a center channel mike input if you want to have real fun! tom brucker At 11:19 AM 3/27/06 +1200, Donald Sangster wrote: >>>> Hello all I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert here in good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 which was refurbished last year. Mikes used were: 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors 1 Beyer 58 1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). The mike setup was 1 metre placing from 4 people on guitars, voice and cello. The setup was used for sound reinforcement only, so close miking was not used, hence some nice room acoustics were picked up. The recorder did a lovely job on recycled TDK SA 90s, and when I have ripped it to CD, I will put a sample up on the site (if possible as an attachment). Mr moderator: is that possible? Its great doing a real recording! Donald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 28 16:32:42 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:32:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <446E92CA-43C4-4C04-9C32-C5981837903E@spamcop.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> <518b7b10603251017w6e4284b0x10bab9d252b956ae@mail.gmail.com> <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060328083242.008247c0@earthlink.net> Nakamichi produced the 2 speed 680, and was promptly sued by Philips, who owns the compact cassette patents. The suit claimed that the patent specified 1 7/8 ips ONLY. Many 3 3/4 ips cassette machines were available from Teac, Fostex, Yamaha, BIC, but they never were sued. Could the issue be that the others used twice as much tape, but the Nak used 1/ 2 ?? Nooooo. If you want to have fun, set the machine on 15/16ths and record 15kHz at -10Vu with ZX tape! These would top out flat to 18kHz at -20Vu. Head bumps, which are really bad bass frequency response variations, were equalized out, so even the bass was flat. A C90 became a C180! They are rare. Few consumers could afford the meters! tom brucker to At 09:00 PM 3/27/06 +0100, you wrote: >>>> hey... i've got an original 680 2 speed... are they rare?  the first owner bought it in hong kong before moving back to the uk.. adrian On 27 Mar 2006, at 16:34, Hi Tech wrote: You've seen a T100 ?   How about a 600 rack system? An original 680 2 speed? A 730 receiver with remote? ADS 2002 w/ 250 in a suitcase? TD1200? Sorry, I just like obscure stuff.  tom brucker At 07:32 PM 3/25/06 -0800, you wrote:  >>>> George,               3500 GBP? Are you serious? I am so excited you got to see them in flash. They looked so beautiful in the photos! Bar the tunrtables, the DAT is the only thing I've not seen from Nakamichi.     Bala  79Labs george valkov <george.valkov at gmail.com> wrote:  I've just returned from my friendly local hi-fi dealer, where I picked up a CD player to try out in my home system. Anyway, as I was just looking around while it was being packed I almost got a heart attack on the spot - I spotted on a shelf two beautiful silver wonders bearing our favourite logo. Yes indeed - a pristine Nakamichi 1000 DAT recorder with an equally mint Nakamichi 1000P digital processor on top - and a beautiful matching remote of t! he keyboard type, also silver.  I stopped breathing, hearing, thinking - only when one of the owners shouted out "Hey, stop drooling" did I wake up. I have no use for these beauties, but at least now I've seen them in "the flesh" and even touched them. What can I say - amazing ! The window for the tape mechanism, the sideways-sliding tape well door, everything just so special and unique. The shop is in London, UK and they will soon be putting it on their website. Both units are 110V, so perfect for the US. They hadn't worked out a price yet, the number of 3500 GBP was mentioned as an idea, but that is not final. If anyone is interested I can send them the contact details. George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Main! tain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   ---------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman5/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/ev t=39666/*http://beta.messenger.yahoo.com >Call regular phones from your PC and save big.========---------------------------------------------------------======= ==   Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist  Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker    CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250   fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 28 16:44:35 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:44:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <4428A0D4.10008@snet.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> <518b7b10603251017w6e4284b0x10bab9d252b956ae@mail.gmail.com> <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060328084435.008241c0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 5827 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 28 16:48:20 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:48:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> <518b7b10603251017w6e4284b0x10bab9d252b956ae@mail.gmail.com> <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060328084820.008241c0@earthlink.net> I sold my case system, but used it for years as a car stereo. I used the Alpine 7307 / 2002 for the car, but took the suitcase when I traveled by plane. Talk about the 620 amplifier. I have repaired several, and have spent years trying to leverage two from a customer who knows better. The 620 is widely overlooked. tom brucker >>>> Cheers to all the equipment you mentioned.  The rack system is the one of the best looking stereos I have ever seen.  I  have 2 of the case systems: 1 with a 250, the other with a 350.  These little jewels rock many very good systems.  The td1200 is the best looking/sounding car audio piece ever made.  Thank you for bringing these to the forefront.   Best, Brien On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Hi Tech wrote: You've seen a T100 ?   How about a 600 rack system? An original 680 2 speed? A 730 receiver with remote? ADS 2002 w/ 250 in a suitcase? TD1200? Sorry, I just like obscure stuff.  tom brucker At 07:32 PM 3/25/06 -0800, you wrote:  >>>> George,               3500 GBP? Are you serious? I am so excited you got to see them in flash. They looked so beautiful in the photos! Bar the tunrtables, the DAT is the only thing I've not seen from Nakamichi.     Bala  79Labs george valkov <george.valkov at gmail.com> wrote:  I've just returned from my friendly local hi-fi dealer, where I picked up a CD player to try out in my home system. Anyway, as I was just looking around while it was being packed I almost got a heart attack on the spot - I spotted on a shelf two beautiful silver wonders bearing our favourite logo. Yes indeed - a pristine Nakamichi 1000 DAT recorder with an equally mint Nakamichi 1000P digital processor on top - and a beautiful matching remote of t! he keyboard type, also silver.  I stopped breathing, hearing, thinking - only when one of the owners shouted out "Hey, stop drooling" did I wake up. I have no use for these beauties, but at least now I've seen them in "the flesh" and even touched them. What can I say - amazing ! The window for the tape mechanism, the sideways-sliding tape well door, everything just so special and unique. The shop is in London, UK and they will soon be putting it on their website. Both units are 110V, so perfect for the US. They hadn't worked out a price yet, the number of 3500 GBP was mentioned as an idea, but that is not final. If anyone is interested I can send them the contact details. George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Main! tain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   ---------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman5/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/ev t=39666/*http://beta.messenger.yahoo.com >Call regular phones from your PC and save big.========---------------------------------------------------------======= ==   Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist  Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker    CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250   fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 17:17:46 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:17:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Reel Tables not turning. Suggestions? Toronto Repair? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060327233730.042c42f8@richardhess.com> Message-ID: <20060328151746.16491.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Richard Check the voltage across the Reel motor terminals - if they do not show any voltage across, the Drive circuit requires checking. probably rquire one or two transistors? _ I have to check Dragon' schematics. fairly simple replacement. When you switch on the deck - open and close the door, this motor should turn. good indication whether the motor drive is fine or not Kannan "Richard L. Hess" wrote: Hi, One of my Dragons' reel tables stopped spinning. All modes are no reel table movement. Any thoughts as to common causes? I'm looking for a brief overview. It looks as if I'll take it in to service. I had Ontario Audio Visual Service in Brampton fix one Dragon and they seemed to do a good job. I guess I'll send them this one too, unless someone has a better suggestion in the Greater Toronto Area. Thanks! Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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I guess I'll send them this one too, unless someone has a better suggestion in the Greater Toronto Area. Thanks! Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Suggestions? >TorontoRepair? >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:17:46 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Richard > Check the voltage across the Reel motor terminals - if they do not show >any voltage across, the Drive circuit requires checking. probably rquire >one or two transistors? _ I have to check Dragon' schematics. fairly simple >replacement. > > When you switch on the deck - open and close the door, this motor should >turn. > good indication whether the motor drive is fine or not > Kannan > >"Richard L. Hess" wrote: > Hi, > >One of my Dragons' reel tables stopped spinning. > >All modes are no reel table movement. Any thoughts as to common causes? > >I'm looking for a brief overview. It looks as if I'll take it in to >service. > >I had Ontario Audio Visual Service in Brampton fix one Dragon and >they seemed to do a good job. I guess I'll send them this one too, >unless someone has a better suggestion in the Greater Toronto Area. > >Thanks! > >Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, >low rates. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 19:03:01 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:03:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060328083242.00823b60@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060328170301.16861.qmail@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Too bad it was leveled in June of '03 http://www.naks.com/nakamichibuilding/ SJ --- Hi Tech wrote: > There were pictures in old Nak brochures of the concert hall built > for > small ensemble recordings. Nakamichi would bring in the musicians > and Nak > owners would set up mics and make tapes...CM700s and a 550 > naturally! > > > Keep the spirit alive. The 550 had a center channel mike input if > you > want to have real fun! > > tom brucker > > At 11:19 AM 3/27/06 +1200, Donald Sangster wrote: > >>>> > Hello all > > I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert here > in good > old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 which was > refurbished last year. > > Mikes used were: > > 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors > 1 Beyer 58 > 1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). > > The mike setup was 1 metre placing from 4 people on guitars, voice > and > cello. The setup was used for sound reinforcement only, so close > miking was > not used, hence some nice room acoustics were picked up. > > The recorder did a lovely job on recycled TDK SA 90s, and when I > have > ripped it to CD, I will put a sample up on the site (if possible as > an > attachment). Mr moderator: is that possible? > > Its great doing a real recording! > > Donald > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lists at richardhess.com Tue Mar 28 21:53:36 2006 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:53:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Reel Tables not turning. Suggestions? TorontoRepair? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060328145126.0ba80208@richardhess.com> Thanks, Kannan! Great suggestion - just what I needed - a place to start. I'll get to it in the next week or so, I hope. I'm swamped, meanwhile, I'll just swap Dragons. I currently have four in the studio (in the photo, the left stack is now two Dragons instead of two CDR W-33s and an MR-1. Alex: The reel tables inside the dragon - the two things that go into the cassette shell and turn the hubs have stopped turning. I was looking for common failure modes and Kannan has helped here. Cheers, Richard At 10:41 AM 3/28/2006, you wrote: >Hi Kannan! > >Only my simple curiosity...what you & Rich are speaking??? Reel >table Dragon????, it's Not the cassette deck...that i also own???. >or something else??? > >Thank for your clarification...to me! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Reel Tables not turning. Suggestions? >>TorontoRepair? >>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:17:46 -0800 (PST) >> >>Hi Richard >> Check the voltage across the Reel motor terminals - if they do >> not show any voltage across, the Drive circuit requires checking. >> probably rquire one or two transistors? _ I have to check Dragon' >> schematics. fairly simple replacement. >> >> When you switch on the deck - open and close the door, this >> motor should turn. >> good indication whether the motor drive is fine or not >> Kannan >> >>"Richard L. Hess" wrote: >> Hi, >> >>One of my Dragons' reel tables stopped spinning. >> >>All modes are no reel table movement. Any thoughts as to common causes? >> >>I'm looking for a brief overview. It looks as if I'll take it in to service. >> >>I had Ontario Audio Visual Service in Brampton fix one Dragon and >>they seemed to do a good job. I guess I'll send them this one too, >>unless someone has a better suggestion in the Greater Toronto Area. >> >>Thanks! >> >>Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >>Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >>Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC >>for low, low rates. > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From henry at privatemail.me.uk Tue Mar 28 22:23:41 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:23:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Message-ID: Hi guys, I asked for your advice on the best way to set my Naks for recording. Last night I spent many hours putting your suggestions into practice with great success! Using the mono button to balance the channels, minimising the clicks between tracks, etc. Some of you guys suggested maximum recording levels for different tapes - ok, understand, But another (probably stupid?) question : The ZX7 I am using has 3 sets of db scale markings on the meters, The top and bottom ones the same and the middle one different. except for 0db. Could one of you explain (simply please) to me why this is, and what ones do I use to set the recording levels? thanks again Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Mar 28 22:58:16 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:58:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 505 Fronts References: <000601c6526e$c52c68e0$002fd255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <004801c652aa$564f66c0$01cb8656@compaq> These are where exactly? T ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Edwards" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] 505 Fronts > Hi everyone, > As someone who found he had to search the world for a couple of RX505 > plastic cassette carriage covers (ex-studio 505's often have them removed), > I thought I should alert all 505 owners to the plastic covers on eBay (UK) > at the moment. > If you need one, grab one whilst you can. > > David > Ps anyone know how to access that member's location map? - I occasionally > like to know where some learned scribe hails from, just out of interest. No > chance of a link on the Nak site, I suppose. (Don't tell me, there already > is one). > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/294 - Release Date: 27/03/06 > > From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Mar 28 23:36:00 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:36:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What is Super Tuned? Message-ID: <20060328213601.BXRR3988.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Look at the pictures for this ZX9. The front cover says Super Tuned. Was this standard language for the ZX9 or is this particular deck special in some way? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9704439571&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting From N4229K at aol.com Tue Mar 28 23:42:29 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:42:29 EST Subject: [naktalk] 505 Fronts and need RX-202 ones badly Message-ID: <318.133d1b2.315b07c5@aol.com> Hey Thanks I may pickup a spare. I wish I could find them for a 202. Those I really need badly for decks. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Tue Mar 28 23:59:10 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:59:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Henry: I've owned several ZX7s over the years.. it's my favorite Nak deck. The bigger numbers in the center of the horizontal meter, are the peak readings you want to use for recording.. the two outside numbers are static signal levels used for calibration, but the only one you need there is the "Cal" mark spot, at 0db, when you are setting up your bias and levels, so just ignore those outside numbers. I always do the three step head/levels/bias set up for each side of the tape I'm recording, because it's so easy and quick with the ZX7. I always check each record (or what ever the source is) and try to find the loudest passage to set my highest record level indication on the meters. Using the mono trick that some one suggested really helps too, but if you just play the loudest passage you can easily set the peak levels, BUT keep the left and right channel the same, unless you have a recording that was improperly recorded with one channel obviously louder then the other one. If you have a test CD or tape that has some signals on it like white noise I guess you could use them to initially get your right and left knobs lined up physically, correctly, but if you deck is calibrated right they shouldn't be off very much. I've always had good luck following the ZX7 User's Manual suggestion for peak music levels using high quality tapes: Normal and Chrome tapes like TDKSA set your peaks to +5db max. Metal tapes like TDKMA set the loudest passage peaks to +8 max Cheers -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Henry Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:24 PM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Hi guys, I asked for your advice on the best way to set my Naks for recording. Last night I spent many hours putting your suggestions into practice with great success! Using the mono button to balance the channels, minimising the clicks between tracks, etc. Some of you guys suggested maximum recording levels for different tapes - ok, understand, But another (probably stupid?) question : The ZX7 I am using has 3 sets of db scale markings on the meters, The top and bottom ones the same and the middle one different. except for 0db. Could one of you explain (simply please) to me why this is, and what ones do I use to set the recording levels? thanks again Henry From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Wed Mar 29 00:06:29 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:06:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 505 Fronts References: <000601c6526e$c52c68e0$002fd255@homeduron1300> <004801c652aa$564f66c0$01cb8656@compaq> Message-ID: <001001c652b3$dda8ab00$c918d255@homeduron1300> eBay.co.uk (Nakamichi) I'll try a link but I'm never confident they work, or get past my firewall etc. Here goes: http://electronics.search.ebay.co.uk/nakamichi_Cassette-Decks_W0QQbsZSearchQQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfgtpZQQfposZBN6Q208DFQQfromZR2QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQga10244Z10425QQlopgZQQsacatZ4784QQsadisZ200QQsaprchiZQQsaprcloZQQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ3QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZbs Otherwise it is Home electronics/Cassette decks/nakamichi (or something) Good luck David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Finn" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 505 Fronts > These are where exactly? > > T > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Edwards" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:51 PM > Subject: [naktalk] 505 Fronts > > >> Hi everyone, >> As someone who found he had to search the world for a couple of RX505 >> plastic cassette carriage covers (ex-studio 505's often have them > removed), >> I thought I should alert all 505 owners to the plastic covers on eBay >> (UK) >> at the moment. >> If you need one, grab one whilst you can. >> >> David >> Ps anyone know how to access that member's location map? - I occasionally >> like to know where some learned scribe hails from, just out of interest. > No >> chance of a link on the Nak site, I suppose. (Don't tell me, there >> already >> is one). >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/294 - Release Date: 27/03/06 >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Mar 29 00:25:57 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:25:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4429B7F5.5070607@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Henry, The ZX-7's meters are multifunction and are used when you calibrate the deck's bias. In bias calibration mode the meters' scale changes imporing the resolution to help you exactly adjust bias. Check the manual for specifics on the procedure. If I recall correctly, the middle scale is the one used for bias calibration, the upper and loower scales are for setting record level. Perhaps Bleus remembers the exact procedure and which scale is which? By the way, for best results, don't exceed 0 dB when recording with Dolby to ensure the Dolby doesn't mistrack and dull out the sound. Henry wrote: > Hi guys, > I asked for your advice on the best way to set my Naks for recording. > Last night I spent many hours putting your suggestions into practice > with great success! Using the mono button to balance the channels, > minimising the clicks between tracks, etc. > > Some of you guys suggested maximum recording levels for different tapes > - ok, understand, But another (probably stupid?) question : > > The ZX7 I am using has 3 sets of db scale markings on the meters, The > top and bottom ones the same and the middle one different. except for > 0db. Could one of you explain (simply please) to me why this is, and > what ones do I use to set the recording levels? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Mar 29 00:37:17 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:37:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Old tape conversion/ pause for rewind/replay In-Reply-To: References: <44231FEE.6090306@woods-and-waters.com> <20060324080737.2268.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4429BA9D.3040900@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mikkel, Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:07:37 -0800 (PST), Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: >> I think its better you sell it to competent and serious >>people and offer them training on using it. IF you ever intend to make >>it into a product. Otherwise, some over-confident engineer would >>mis-use it and blame you! > > Could a murderer successfully blame the gunsmith? > > -Mikkel, Bang. Your tape is dead! Well, from the mmessage I've been receiving off-line, the prevailing opinion is that my decision is hubris. Okay, I agree. I'm reversing my previous position and will make a limited run of the 77SP transfer preamplifier available for sale to anyone. If it's good enough for my Nakamichi 600-II then it's good enough for anyone. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From enoyes at snet.net Wed Mar 29 03:58:39 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:58:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060328084435.008241c0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> <518b7b10603251017w6e4284b0x10bab9d252b956ae@mail.gmail.com> <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060328084435.008241c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4429E9CF.3090209@snet.net> I've actually got a couple of Dead shows... dubs of the cassette masters from the digital source with the Nak unit and a pair of Sennheiser 44's. It was essentially identical to the Sony F1 except that Nak did some rework on the anolog circuits. If anything stands out compared to the low gen analog source tapes from the same period, it is the sense of actually having a strong left to right stereo localization of performers... even if 20 rows from the stage. Few to none of the anaolg source tapes from Sony D5 of Nak 550 could create the same sensation even when used with the same mic technique. Even so, the Nak PCM unit recording ultimately comes across as very clean and just a bit cold with what seems like a slightly lean bottom end (which could be a lack of analog bass overload and saturation with analog cassette mastered performances). I noticed a similar effect to a lesser degree when I hung up the Sony D5 for a DAT deck. Of course the tables turn with a vengence as I just landed a Sony D6 for $80 and am thrilled to have a really nice sounding portable cassette recorder again! Ed Hi Tech wrote: > In addition, the Nak DAT was the Grateful Dead tapers dream unit. > Did the Nak pcm unit for Beta sound better than the stock Sony? > > > tom brucker > > At 09:35 PM 3/27/06 -0500, you wrote: > >>>> > Okay, I can't resist now and will show my age, mind you all that I was > a very young audiophile when I eagerly awaited and helped set up the > earliest 58x and 68x models the day they arrived at the local shop. > The Metal tape that came with them sounded absolutely amazing and > before long a Thorens 126III was feeding the decks all our most > demanding direct to disk and other audiophile pressings in a vain > attempt to make the Naks falter. Needless to say, the decks were (and > still are) beyond reproach. > > It was only 8 or 9 years later that I saw and listened to the > Nakamichi DAT deck at a high end shop in Connecticut. I had made it > past security and into what was known as the "second mortgage" room. > Martin Logans, big Theils and Maggies, Linn's and Audio Research... > that sort of stuff... and on that day the most beautiful 2 pieces of > gear I've probably ever seen. The Nak DAT transport and converter. > About $10,000 if I remember right. I was able to listen for about 15 > minutes or so and I wouldn't be able to accurately say how it sounded > by today's standards, but it was the best digital I'd ever heard to > that time... and I knew the Wadia next to the DAT deck pretty well. > > Good times they were. Ed > > > Hi Tech wrote: > You've seen a T100 ? How about a 600 rack system? An original 680 2 > speed? A 730 receiver with remote? ADS 2002 w/ 250 in a suitcase? TD1200? > Sorry, I just like obscure stuff. > > > tom brucker > > > At 07:32 PM 3/25/06 -0800, you wrote: > >>>> > George, > > > > > 3500 GBP? Are you serious? I am so excited you got to see them in > flash. They looked so beautiful in the photos! Bar the tunrtables, the > DAT is the only thing I've not seen from Nakamichi. > > > > > Bala > 79Labs > > > george valkov > wrote: > I've just returned from my friendly local hi-fi dealer, where I picked > up a CD player to try out in my home system. Anyway, as I was just > looking around while it was being packed I almost got a heart attack > on the spot - I spotted on a shelf two beautiful silver wonders > bearing our favourite logo. Yes indeed - a pristine Nakamichi 1000 DAT > recorder with an equally mint Nakamichi 1000P digital processor on top > - and a beautiful matching remote of t! he keyboard type, also silver. I > stopped breathing, hearing, thinking - only when one of the owners > shouted out "Hey, stop drooling" did I wake up. I have no use for > these beauties, but at least now I've seen them in "the flesh" and > even touched them. What can I say - amazing ! The window for the tape > mechanism, the sideways-sliding tape well door, everything just so > special and unique. > > > The shop is in London, UK and they will soon be putting it on their > website. Both units are 110V, so perfect for the US. They hadn't > worked out a price yet, the number of 3500 GBP was mentioned as an > idea, but that is not final. > > > If anyone is interested I can send them the contact details. > > > George > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Main! tain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ---------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > >Call regular phones from your PC and save > big.========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > <<<< > > > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ---------- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 29 06:33:39 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 04:33:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Reel Tables not turning. Suggestions?TorontoRepair? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060328145126.0ba80208@richardhess.com> Message-ID: Thank so much Rich! Now...I understand what you mean!!!! Bravo!!! ALEX! >From: "Richard L. Hess" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Reel Tables not turning. >Suggestions?TorontoRepair? >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:53:36 -0500 > >Thanks, Kannan! Great suggestion - just what I needed - a place to start. > >I'll get to it in the next week or so, I hope. I'm swamped, meanwhile, I'll >just swap Dragons. I currently have four in the studio (in the photo, the >left stack is now two Dragons instead of two CDR W-33s and an MR-1. > >Alex: The reel tables inside the dragon - the two things that go into the >cassette shell and turn the hubs have stopped turning. I was looking for >common failure modes and Kannan has helped here. > >Cheers, > >Richard > >At 10:41 AM 3/28/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Kannan! >> >>Only my simple curiosity...what you & Rich are speaking??? Reel table >>Dragon????, it's Not the cassette deck...that i also own???. or something >>else??? >> >>Thank for your clarification...to me! >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Reel Tables not turning. Suggestions? >>>TorontoRepair? >>>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:17:46 -0800 (PST) >>> >>>Hi Richard >>> Check the voltage across the Reel motor terminals - if they do not >>>show any voltage across, the Drive circuit requires checking. probably >>>rquire one or two transistors? _ I have to check Dragon' schematics. >>>fairly simple replacement. >>> >>> When you switch on the deck - open and close the door, this motor >>>should turn. >>> good indication whether the motor drive is fine or not >>> Kannan >>> >>>"Richard L. Hess" wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>>One of my Dragons' reel tables stopped spinning. >>> >>>All modes are no reel table movement. Any thoughts as to common causes? >>> >>>I'm looking for a brief overview. It looks as if I'll take it in to >>>service. >>> >>>I had Ontario Audio Visual Service in Brampton fix one Dragon and >>>they seemed to do a good job. I guess I'll send them this one too, >>>unless someone has a better suggestion in the Greater Toronto Area. >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >>>Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >>>Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------- >>>New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for >>>low, low rates. >> >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 29 09:58:52 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:58:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FW: [reeltoreel] For Sale: Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck Message-ID: Saw this and thought one of you guys might be interested. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com [mailto:reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Rogers Sent: 29 March 2006 03:05 To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Subject: [reeltoreel] For Sale: Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck Hi All: I'm selling my Nakamichi 680ZX. It is 2 speed, 1 7/8 and 15/16 IPS, is in excellent condition both cosmetically and operationally and comes with the original double box, nak cables, owners manual, copy of the service manual, original Nakamichi ZX 15/16 ips demo tape and Nakamichi DM-10 demagnetizer. Would like $350.00 US. I also have a Nakamichi MX-100 microphone mixer as new in the box for $ 75.00 OBO. Can forward pictures. Please reply off list to kroger1032 at rogers.com Kevin Rogers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 29 09:58:55 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:58:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FW: [reeltoreel] For Sale: Luxman K-03 cassette deck Message-ID: Here's something a bit different - one for you, Jerry? BTW I don't know the seller personally. So, I'm not endorsing the Luxman or his Nakamichi! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com [mailto:reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Rogers Sent: 29 March 2006 03:12 To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Subject: [reeltoreel] For Sale: Luxman K-03 cassette deck Hi All: I'm selling my Luxman K-03 cassette deck. It is a very high end 3 head, 3 motor deck with closed loop-dual capstan drive with complete calibration facilities and is in excellent condition both cosmetically and operationally and comes with a copy of the owners manual and copy of the service manual. Would like $350.00 US. Can forward pictures. 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com [mailto:reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Rogers Sent: 29 March 2006 03:12 To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Subject: [reeltoreel] For Sale: Luxman K-03 cassette deck Hi All: I'm selling my Luxman K-03 cassette deck. It is a very high end 3 head, 3 motor deck with closed loop-dual capstan drive with complete calibration facilities and is in excellent condition both cosmetically and operationally and comes with a copy of the owners manual and copy of the service manual. Would like $350.00 US. Can forward pictures. 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URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Mar 29 14:44:08 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:44:08 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re:keeping the Dragon &CR7 Message-ID: <1ef.4d673435.315bdb18@aol.com> Hi Henry, Thanks for getting back with me! $ 240 volts will not be a problem, as I can use I have a VARIAC with adjustable voltage of 0 to 240 Volts allowing me to choose any ac volts in that range! I used this to power my tube amps while restoring them, Yes! love tube amps!:) Let me know when you are ready! and we will work out a deal! I love the RX 505 those folks where who wanted to record in reverse, well I have news for you the RX 505 will do it! and yes! it make fantastic! recordings in both direction because at end of one side the whole cassette compartment comes out of the machine! rotate so the other side is loaded!! to be recorded!! without switching any electronic or the tape heads!!.. WOW!! doing away with any alignments! it like you would physically take the tape out and insert it so the other side was loaded , the machine does this for you and starts recording that side after it has done so!! that was very clever thinking in part of Nakamichi Engineers I think all of them were GENIUS! I have to give them to it! The 1000 was what put Nakamichi on the MAP! this was the deck that had If I am correct! in is saying so! got every one thinking about the real possibility of a hi-end 3 head cassette deck. I have owned most all Nakamichi Cassette Deck but have never owned a ZX-7 , ZX-9 so I have no! experience with their sound quality. The double direct capastan drive motors is what puts the Dragon in a leauge by itself as I think there was no other Nakamichi Cassette Deck Ever Made with these kind of direct drive capstan motors contributing rock steady tape rotation, which translates to first rate performance if I am correct in saying , I know !:) many of you will disagree!! LOL!! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Mar 29 15:00:29 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:00:29 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Advertisment Message-ID: <31d.10f6758.315bdeed@aol.com> Hi Kyb, Here in USA the NAk DAT with its processor had a suggested list price of close to $10,000! but without question it was the best piece of electornics Nak ever made! even better quality then the cassette decks they made and maybe their tunrtable any yes! even better than a 1000ZXL liminted! . The advertisment of this NAk DAT used to appear in Audio Magazines I am suprised you guys have never! heard about it and not even the GREAT Bala1:) as has not!! heard about it! that really suprised me! :) Many Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Mar 29 15:12:18 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:12:18 EST Subject: [naktalk] 505 Fronts and need RX-202 ones badly Message-ID: <23c.98182e5.315be1b2@aol.com> Hi Dean, How much is the Nak 505 and what kind of condition it is in? let me know! Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Mar 29 15:17:48 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:17:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL in live action photos Bala in Pic?!:) Message-ID: <205.12c99539.315be2fc@aol.com> Hey Bala! Nice setup! lots of cool gear!!:) is that you?! in one of the pics, I LOVE! indian music , one of the best music?! Ustad Ali Akbar Khan Sarod music! all music lovers should get to hear his music once in awhile, its available on CD and Vinyl and Water Lily Acoustic I am correct made great live recordings of this great artist, I read this in the Stereophile Magazine. Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Wed Mar 29 17:18:14 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:18:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Advertisment In-Reply-To: <31d.10f6758.315bdeed@aol.com> References: <31d.10f6758.315bdeed@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060329095738.03062c58@pop.videotron.ca> At 08:00 03/29/2006, you wrote: >Hi Kyb, Here in USA the NAk DAT with its processor had a suggested >list price of close to $10,000! but without question it was the best >piece of electornics Nak ever made! even better quality then the >cassette decks they made and maybe their tunrtable any yes! even >better than a 1000ZXL liminted! > >. The advertisment of this NAk DAT used to appear in Audio >Magazines I am suprised you guys have never! heard about it and not >even the GREAT Bala1:) as has not!! heard about it! that really >suprised me! :) > >Many Thanks! > >Ali Yes, the original DAT drive, processor and remote control retailed for US$10000. The DAT mechanism was a beautifully executed Nakamichi original. The cassette door was fitted with an opaque sliding cover that you could replace with a clear one in order to see the mechanism in action. The processor used plug-in cards for easy upgradability. As far as I know, there was only one upgrade and it was to the D/A converter card. The improved card labeled DA-111P replaced the original card labeled DA-101P. A matching 1000mb MusicBank CD drive became available later. Another beauty. Its Acoustic Isolation principle was a source of inspiration for CDPlayer 1 in the more affordable range. I never could afford the 1000mb/1000p processor combo so I settled for CDPlayer 1 which I still put to good use almost on a daily basis. Only had to replace the belt that moves the drawer in and out once. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 17:01:55 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:01:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL in live action photos Bala in Pic?!:) In-Reply-To: <205.12c99539.315be2fc@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060329150155.17349.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali, Yes thats me. This was a series of indian concerts with various instruments. Indian instruments are harder to capture due to the extended keys and complex ensembles the various artistes play, . Earlier in the week, there was a solo tabla and sitar combo which just electrified the audience! The 1000ZXL was so comfortable and at home handling the uncompressed feed from the mixer. And the headroom the machine had was amazing! The other engineers there were simply awestruck seeing a cassette recorder do high peaks without distortion! This was the second live event handled by this 1000ZXL this week. Kavi Alexander of Water Lily Acoustics has done spectacular recordings of these talented artists. And not suprised, he is using Studer C37s rebuilt by Tim de Paravicini, another virtuoso I admire! Regards Bala 79Labs BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hey Bala! Nice setup! lots of cool gear!!:) is that you?! in one of the pics, I LOVE! indian music , one of the best music?! Ustad Ali Akbar Khan Sarod music! all music lovers should get to hear his music once in awhile, its available on CD and Vinyl and Water Lily Acoustic I am correct made great live recordings of this great artist, I read this in the Stereophile Magazine. Thanks! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 17:10:48 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:10:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Advertisment In-Reply-To: <31d.10f6758.315bdeed@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060329151048.77535.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali, Did I catch you trying to have a dig at me :) I have seen the DAT advertisement, and remember having a one page brochure years ago. It was lost in a stack of hi-fi magazines that got misplaced when I shifted. It is undoubtedly better then a lot of other gear that they made. I mean, it was DAT..at 48kHz its supposed to have a marginal lead on cds! And when done right, it should beat cassettes. I never payed much attention to DAT because it was only so much better then 44.1kHz. Among the other things I chose to ignore were DCC. The thing that I did follow was minidisc. Sometimes, I used to wistfully think that only if Nakamichi had joined with Sony and done MD, it would have had a re-birth. Regards Bala 79Labs BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Kyb, Here in USA the NAk DAT with its processor had a suggested list price of close to $10,000! but without question it was the best piece of electornics Nak ever made! even better quality then the cassette decks they made and maybe their tunrtable any yes! even better than a 1000ZXL liminted! . The advertisment of this NAk DAT used to appear in Audio Magazines I am suprised you guys have never! heard about it and not even the GREAT Bala1:) as has not!! heard about it! that really suprised me! :) Many Thanks! 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Mar 29 17:57:02 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:57:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Message-ID: Kermit: I think you goofed on this one.. please see my other post answer to Henry Cheers From rob at rhoag.com Wed Mar 29 17:57:03 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:57:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL in live action photos Message-ID: Hi, Bala: Why is it that some posts, like yours, don't have any text wrap and go way off the screen to the right.. makes it really difficult to read as you have scroll right with each line. Any way you can fix this on your end? Thanks, Doane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Mar 29 18:54:56 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:54:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Message-ID: Henry: You might be interested in this Ebay offer of a ZX7 Owner's Manual reproduction for only about $8, would anwser any questions you have about opperation. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9703578147 From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 19:43:14 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:43:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What is Super Tuned? In-Reply-To: <20060328213601.BXRR3988.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@172.18.52.8> References: <20060328213601.BXRR3988.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@172.18.52.8> Message-ID: <518b7b10603290943j82070ebicc40f29caaea02cb@mail.gmail.com> Standard On 3/28/06, rjlbjk at cox.net wrote: > Look at the pictures for this ZX9. The front cover says Super Tuned. > > Was this standard language for the ZX9 or is this particular deck special in some way? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9704439571&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 29 20:35:57 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:35:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL in live action photos Bala in Pic?!:) In-Reply-To: <20060329150155.17349.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala Interesting you mention TdP ... he seems to be much admired and much maligned at the same time! One thing some of my cohorts on the Leak site find uncomfortable about TdP (that I'll make Ron will smile at) is that Tim doesn't favour exotic expensive components in his designs but generally goes for the bog standard ones you might in Maplins or some such high street shop. It is a wonder, said one of them, that he can make his amps sound so good with such cr#p components! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 29 March 2006 16:02 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL in live action photos Bala in Pic?!:) Hi Ali, Yes thats me. This was a series of indian concerts with various instruments. Indian instruments are harder to capture due to the extended keys and complex ensembles the various artistes play, . Earlier in the week, there was a solo tabla and sitar combo which just electrified the audience! The 1000ZXL was so comfortable and at home handling the uncompressed feed from the mixer. And the headroom the machine had was amazing! The other engineers there were simply awestruck seeing a cassette recorder do high peaks without distortion! This was the second live event handled by this 1000ZXL this week. Kavi Alexander of Water Lily Acoustics has done spectacular recordings of these talented artists. And not suprised, he is using Studer C37s rebuilt by Tim de Paravicini, another virtuoso I admire! Regards Bala 79Labs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Wed Mar 29 21:30:42 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:30:42 EST Subject: [naktalk] 505 Fronts and need RX-202 ones badly Message-ID: <2e3.4b45391.315c3a62@aol.com> I think I have 3 decks to be reworked from 350 to 550 respectively. They will go on ebay if not spoken for. Dean Hi Dean, How much is the Nak 505 and what kind of condition it is in? let me know! Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at privatemail.me.uk Wed Mar 29 22:30:40 2006 From: henry at privatemail.me.uk (Henry) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:30:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi I should have looked at the manual before I posted, but I was sure I never saw anything in it to help me the last time I read through it. I was wrong! must be loosing my memory! Thanks anyway Henry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: 29 March 2006 16:55 To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Henry: You might be interested in this Ebay offer of a ZX7 Owner's Manual reproduction for only about $8, would anwser any questions you have about opperation. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9703578147 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 30 00:22:01 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:22:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442B0889.7060506@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, You're right Doane. I goofed. Ah, I had the meter scales backward. Serves me right for trying to do things from memory. I used a ZX-7 only once and barely remembered how it works -- but I sure remember the fabulous sound it produced! Almost bought one for myself when they were new. Bought a used Scully 280B 30-ips mastering deck instead. Nakamichi's recommendations for setting recording level are interesting because they contradict Dolby's cautions that levels above the Dolby reference level will cause mistracking. Customarily, Dolby reference level is the same as 0-dB, mainly to ensure that tapes made on one recorder will play properly on an different recorder. Levels higher than 0-dB may overload the playback circuitry of lesser quality cassette decks. Interestingly, Nakamichi recommended setting recording levels for the 500 and 550 to 0-dB, regardless of tape type or whether Dolby was on. Now, I'm not saying Nakamichi is wrong about setting recording levels for the ZX-7 at levels higher than 0-dB. I'm making an observation and actually I'm admitting I do not know if they are correct, but I am definitely curious! There is a way to resolve any controversy on determining the "best" or the most satisfactory recording levels with ANY recorder. I recommend anyone who owns any recorder conduct the following listening tests to arrive at the satisfactory recording levels for your recorder with your favorite tape. For this activity, you will need a tape recorder with blank tape (you guessed that) and a "test series" of source recordings for evaluation. For the rest of this discussion I'll assume the recorder is a Nakamichi ZX-7. I'd recommend the "test series" include 1) solo male vocal, 2) solo female vocal, 3) solo piano, 4) drum solo with plenty of crashing cymbals, high-hats, thumping kick, cracking snares and some brushed snares; 5) solo violin, and 6) massed strings. Firstly, make a recording of the "test series" with the level set to 0-dB on the peaks -- regardless of what the recorder manual states. Now playback the tape and do some critical listening. 1) solo male vocal -- listen for chestiness (boominess) and sibilance, 2) solo female vocal -- listen for breathiness and sibilance, 3) solo piano -- listen for the crisp attack of the note without it sounding "tinkly" or cheap and the subtle reverb-like resonance of the soundboard, 4) drum solo with plenty of crashing cymbals -- listen for clean metallic sheen (bell-like resonance) instead of a shhh-shhh sound; high-hats -- listen for crisp metallic resonance instead of shhh-shhhh sound, thumping kick -- listen for tight and defned without being boomy or indistinct, cracking snares -- listen for the sensation of the material and the sharp attack, and some brushed snares -- listen for the "sizzle" and swoosh of the brushes; 5) solo violin -- listen for a sweet and woodlike resonance without being shrill or screechy, and 6) massed strings -- listen for a lush, full sound that is mellow and lush with gentle swells without sounding shrill, screechy, or muffled. Okay, got it? Listen close, listen often until you are intimately familiar with all the sounds. Secondly, get a second blank tape of the same type and re-record the "test series," but this time set the recording level according to the recorder's manual. In the case of the ZX-7, I'd follow your suggestions: Normal and Chrome tapes (like TDK SA) set the peaks to +5db maximum, and Metal tapes like TDK MA set the loudest passage peaks to +8 maximum. Listen to the playback. Is it different in any way? If not, then all is well and the higher levels are just fine. But, I have a feeling that cymbals and high-hats will have lost the natural metallic resonance and now take on a harsh shhh-shhh sound; vocals will have an slight edge of sibilance or hardness; piano will have a hardness to their attack, violins and massed strings will be shrill and edgy, and that the recording overall will have a lack of smoothness and naturalness, becoming harder sounding. If I'm wrong on this prediction, then wow-oh-wow I am impressed with the ZX-7! ENGAGE BEG MODE: I'm really hoping someone will try these listening tests, not just with the ZX-7 but with Dragons, CR-whatevrs, &c. Let us know your experiences. I'm really curious if any cassette deck, even a Nakamichi, can record such high a levels without apparent quality loss. Admittedly, I've never set levels above 0-dB in keeping with Dolby's recommendations and to ensure the tapes are playable on all tape decks. This reflects my professional recording outlook (especially the concern for playability on all tape decks), not a rigid "Though Shalt Not Recordeth Above 0 VU" dogmatism. N-Joy! Doane Hoag wrote: > Hi, Henry: > > I've owned several ZX7s over the years.. it's my favorite Nak deck. > > The bigger numbers in the center of the horizontal meter, are the peak > readings you want to use for recording.. the two outside numbers are static > signal levels used for calibration, but the only one you need there is the > "Cal" mark spot, at 0db, when you are setting up your bias and levels, so > just ignore those outside numbers. > > I always do the three step head/levels/bias set up for each side of the tape > I'm recording, because it's so easy and quick with the ZX7. > > I always check each record (or what ever the source is) and try to find the > loudest passage to set my highest record level indication on the meters. > Using the mono trick that some one suggested really helps too, but if you > just play the loudest passage you can easily set the peak levels, BUT keep > the left and right channel the same, unless you have a recording that was > improperly recorded with one channel obviously louder then the other one. > > If you have a test CD or tape that has some signals on it like white noise I > guess you could use them to initially get your right and left knobs lined up > physically, correctly, but if you deck is calibrated right they shouldn't be > off very much. > > I've always had good luck following the ZX7 User's Manual suggestion for > peak music levels using high quality tapes: > > Normal and Chrome tapes like TDKSA set your peaks to +5db max. > > Metal tapes like TDKMA set the loudest passage peaks to +8 max . -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 30 00:26:14 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:26:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session In-Reply-To: <016d01c6512b$c02a7790$d34e98de@tec> References: <016d01c6512b$c02a7790$d34e98de@tec> Message-ID: <442B0986.50408@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Donald, Donald Sangster wrote: > I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert here in > good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 which was > refurbished last year. Hey hey, my favorite! > Mikes used were: > > 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors > 1 Beyer 58 > 1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). Outstanding rig! > The mike setup was 1 metre placing from 4 people on guitars, voice and > cello. The setup was used for sound reinforcement only, so close miking > was not used, hence some nice room acoustics were picked up. > > The recorder did a lovely job on recycled TDK SA 90s, and when I have > ripped it to CD, I will put a sample up on the site (if possible as an > attachment). Mr moderator: is that possible? > > Its great doing a real recording! I'd love to hear that! My web site is eagerly available to you for strwamin gyour recording as an example of what analog cassettes are capable of, if Wouter would not rather have his server tied up. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 30 00:27:20 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:27:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442B09C8.6020305@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Kermit: > > I think you goofed on this one.. please see my other post answer to Henry Yup, I had the Stupid Button engaged. Thanks for the great info! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 30 00:43:28 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:43:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <4429E9CF.3090209@snet.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> <518b7b10603251017w6e4284b0x10bab9d252b956ae@mail.gmail.com> <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060328084435.008241c0@earthlink.net> <4429E9CF.3090209@snet.net> Message-ID: <442B0D90.6010301@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Edward, Edward Noyes wrote: > I've actually got a couple of Dead shows... dubs of the cassette masters > from the digital source with the Nak unit and a pair of Sennheiser 44's. > It was essentially identical to the Sony F1 except that Nak did some > rework on the anolog circuits. If anything stands out compared to the > low gen analog source tapes from the same period, it is the sense of > actually having a strong left to right stereo localization of > performers... even if 20 rows from the stage. Few to none of the anaolg > source tapes from Sony D5 of Nak 550 could create the same sensation > even when used with the same mic technique. Even so, the Nak PCM unit > recording ultimately comes across as very clean and just a bit cold with > what seems like a slightly lean bottom end (which could be a lack of > analog bass overload and saturation with analog cassette mastered > performances). I noticed a similar effect to a lesser degree when I hung > up the Sony D5 for a DAT deck. Of course the tables turn with a vengence > as I just landed a Sony D6 for $80 and am thrilled to have a really nice > sounding portable cassette recorder again! Wow. I'm sorry I missed the Nak unit. I had the Sony F1. It was quite good for its day, but frankly I preferred my 550 (BASF Chrome cassettes) and the modified Revox A77 and Ampex 350 (Scotch 250, Ampex 459 GrandMaster, BASF 111 or Agfa PEM-468 tapes) decks I was also using at the time. I always experienced far better stereo localization with the analog decks than with the F1, although the F1 was much more convenient to use -- you didn't have to suffer over the bias and EQ like with the analog decks. Sounds like Nakamichi really worked their magic on the F1. Later on I leased a Sony PCM-3324 but soon got out of the lease because the Studer A80 and Scully 280B multitrack I had were much more detailed and musical. Rented a Mistuibishi X-86, the one with the 100 kHz sampling rate, and almost leased that. It was the best DASH I've ever heard, but again, even the B77 Revox could equal its sound, let alone the higher-end analog decks. R-DAT and I never got along -- never found one I could stand, and even the HHB I briefly had made my skin crawl. One digital system I used did impress me with its analog-like sound and incredible detail and warmth: Sony SACD's custom-made mastering rig that used a Genex 8500 digital harddrive multitrack with DSD cards and custom Meintner a-to-d and d-to-a convertors. Wow. I could be happy with that rig! I stated earlier, I'm eager to replace my DAW with analog mulitracks. Digital has its place, and it is cheaper to operate than analog, but I just have never been satisfied with any digital I've heard. The closest I've come to wanting a digital setup recently was the Tascam DVRA-1000 (in DSDIFF mode) with Apogee's UV-22 outboard convertors. Maybe one day, but I'm in no hurry. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Thu Mar 30 00:45:48 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:45:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: <442B0889.7060506@woods-and-waters.com> References: <442B0889.7060506@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060329173726.03db9f70@psulias.psu.edu> I recall Julian Hirsch noting that Nak level meters didn't jive with other comapnies meters, and that was one reason they recommended higher settings. That being said, the %3 distortion level on decks like the Dragon, CR-5/CR-7 were +7 whereas most decks were +3 at most. Nak was doing something right. I've had a CR-2, CR-5 and Dragon and the latter two I would peak at about +7 with no ill effects, although I must say it was heavily dependent on the tape. Maxells and Sonys could take higher level than TDK, BASF or Fuji. I actually preferred the tapes made on the CR-5 to the Dragon (both were operating at spec). With good prerecorded tapes the CR-5 is just as good, but of course the Dragon is much better with the "odds and sods" you have laying around the house. Astonishingly good in some cases. Some of the tapes I made on my old Kenwood deck (solid deck, but not spectacular) sounded amazing. Yamaha's also recomend a slightly higher level too. For Chrome they suggest peaks at +3 (+5 for metal). At 05:22 PM 3/29/2006, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >Hi Doane, > >You're right Doane. I goofed. Ah, I had the meter scales backward. Serves >me right for trying to do things from memory. I used a ZX-7 only once and >barely remembered how it works -- but I sure remember the fabulous sound >it produced! Almost bought one for myself when they were new. Bought a >used Scully 280B 30-ips mastering deck instead. > >Nakamichi's recommendations for setting recording level are interesting >because they contradict Dolby's cautions that levels above the Dolby >reference level will cause mistracking. Customarily, Dolby reference level >is the same as 0-dB, mainly to ensure that tapes made on one recorder will >play properly on an different recorder. Levels higher than 0-dB may >overload the playback circuitry of lesser quality cassette decks. >Interestingly, Nakamichi recommended setting recording levels for the 500 >and 550 to 0-dB, regardless of tape type or whether Dolby was on. Now, I'm >not saying Nakamichi is wrong about setting recording levels for the ZX-7 >at levels higher than 0-dB. I'm making an observation and actually I'm >admitting I do not know if they are correct, but I am definitely curious! > >There is a way to resolve any controversy on determining the "best" or the >most satisfactory recording levels with ANY recorder. I recommend anyone >who owns any recorder conduct the following listening tests to arrive at >the satisfactory recording levels for your recorder with your favorite tape. From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Thu Mar 30 00:45:51 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:45:51 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session References: <016d01c6512b$c02a7790$d34e98de@tec> <442B0986.50408@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <012b01c65382$87b68ee0$a3a699de@tec> Thanks Kermit The 600 is going beautifully now. New rec/play head (well .... made in 1986 but just fitted!), new erase head, and full alignment. I need a new sound card for my laptop first before I can do the rip, so it may be a few weeks away before I get something up, but I will email it to you as well as the network. Thanks again for your comments. Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Session > Hi Donald, > > Donald Sangster wrote: >> I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert here in >> good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 which was >> refurbished last year. > > Hey hey, my favorite! > >> Mikes used were: >> 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors >> 1 Beyer 58 >> 1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). > > Outstanding rig! > > >> The mike setup was 1 metre placing from 4 people on guitars, voice and >> cello. The setup was used for sound reinforcement only, so close miking >> was not used, hence some nice room acoustics were picked up. >> The recorder did a lovely job on recycled TDK SA 90s, and when I have >> ripped it to CD, I will put a sample up on the site (if possible as an >> attachment). Mr moderator: is that possible? >> Its great doing a real recording! > > I'd love to hear that! My web site is eagerly available to you for > strwamin gyour recording as an example of what analog cassettes are > capable of, if Wouter would not rather have his server tied up. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Mar 30 00:49:12 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:49:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Message-ID: Interesting--I'd not heard that. Seems like what Dolby might have intended, but I recall many "lesser" decks (read most other non-Naks) of the time often cheated on their meters. I believe for cassette Dolby 0 is 200 nW/m (I think but can't remember for sure that it's 185 nW/m for at least quarter-track R2R and maybe only 7.5ips), but many decks set that as "+3db" or otherwise at the time...-kby > Nakamichi's recommendations for setting recording level are > interesting > because they contradict Dolby's cautions that levels above the Dolby > reference level will cause mistracking. Customarily, Dolby reference > level is the same as 0-dB, mainly to ensure that tapes made on one > recorder will play properly on an different recorder. Levels higher > than > 0-dB may overload the playback circuitry of lesser quality cassette > decks. Interestingly, Nakamichi recommended setting recording > levels for > the 500 and 550 to 0-dB, regardless of tape type or whether Dolby was > on. Now, I'm not saying Nakamichi is wrong about setting recording > levels for the ZX-7 at levels higher than 0-dB. I'm making an > observation and actually I'm admitting I do not know if they are > correct, but I am definitely curious! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 30 01:03:19 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:03:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060329173726.03db9f70@psulias.psu.edu> References: <442B0889.7060506@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060329173726.03db9f70@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <442B1237.8070501@woods-and-waters.com> Derrick Beckner wrote: > I recall Julian Hirsch noting that Nak level meters didn't jive with > other comapnies meters, and that was one reason they recommended higher > settings. That being said, the %3 distortion level on decks like the > Dragon, CR-5/CR-7 were +7 whereas most decks were +3 at most. Nak was > doing something right. This explains a lot. The 500, 550 and 600's meters are more "standard" in their reading, if you will. By the way, I've found the 3% THD point on my 550, 600 and 600-II is +5 dB with TDK SA tape. This is amazing considering the other 1970s cassette recorders. My Pioneer CT-F7272, which is the same vintage, reaches 3% THD at +2 dB in comparison, but its frequency response is audibly inferior compared to the Naks. Okay, well, I should have trusted Nakamichi more. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 30 01:48:55 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:48:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session In-Reply-To: <442B0986.50408@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: I'd love to hear this, too as I am presently teaching myself how to play the Dulcimer. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 29 March 2006 23:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Session Hi Donald, Donald Sangster wrote: > I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert here in > good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 which was > refurbished last year. Hey hey, my favorite! > Mikes used were: > > 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors > 1 Beyer 58 > 1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). Outstanding rig! I'd love to hear that! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! = From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Mar 30 02:03:09 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:03:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback azimuth adjustment Message-ID: <918F2903-9335-4006-9614-AA830C3E0652@alumni.caltech.edu> I should probably clarify the record and say I've not done live recording with a 1000zxl. I've done some with a 700 II, but, only as a backup. I really did my live recordings on a R2R (various Teac decks: 2300-SX initially, then X-10R, then X-2000R). I always wanted the length, in particular. Also, whereas I noticed you (Bala) has flight cases for all your stuff, I don't have any and since the kind of live stuff I did was schlepping a deck to the concert (as opposed to having a studio), I'm not sure I'd want to carry a 1000zxl out. It's pretty rough on the deck (at least the cosmetics) doing that. However, in comparing tapes duped from the R2R originals, I do note differences betweeh the 1000zxl and, say a dragon, that are audible, and are of the nature you describe--but that is even without using 1st gen live stuff. I haven't tried recording directly on the dragon yet as I only got the manual on CD and misplaced it, and haven't figured out how to optimize for a tape, to be fair to it.-kby > Their performance margins over the other decks is substantial once > its working. I have worked with these decks and other machines in > live conert environment, and they handle huge dynamics and wide > soundstages with ease! Kimo has similiar experiences I believe. But > when one says the ZXL decks are good, it doesn't mean the CR7 or > ZX9 is not good. They are, but their strengths lie in different > areas. The last deck I turn off for day is my 600II ! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 03:08:11 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:08:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL in live action photos Bala in Pic?!:) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060330010811.2959.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Gra, There are many people who advocate things against the norm. The designer of McIntosh's loudspeaker, who also designed some of the their electronics advised me to use line cord for speaker wire! He also had extensive articles published on the internet about 'expensive cables' and that they use line cord in all their tests. But using his own speakers, I was able to hear a percertible difference when using ordinary copper wires and better grade speaker wires (seperating the hype from the real deal cables is very much in ones hands). This experience also continues with components. However there are certain components that really don't give me any difference at all, and they may only be creating a perception in the listeners mind. It is certainly amazing if you are able to built good sounding (vs good measured) equipment. I do respect Tim because he chooses classic decks which are already well reknowned and takes them to the highest level. Regards Bala Nelson wrote: Bala Interesting you mention TdP ... he seems to be much admired and much maligned at the same time! One thing some of my cohorts on the Leak site find uncomfortable about TdP (that I'll make Ron will smile at) is that Tim doesn't favour exotic expensive components in his designs but generally goes for the bog standard ones you might in Maplins or some such high street shop. It is a wonder, said one of them, that he can make his amps sound so good with such cr#p components! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 29 March 2006 16:02 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL in live action photos Bala in Pic?!:) Hi Ali, Yes thats me. This was a series of indian concerts with various instruments. Indian instruments are harder to capture due to the extended keys and complex ensembles the various artistes play, . Earlier in the week, there was a solo tabla and sitar combo which just electrified the audience! The 1000ZXL was so comfortable and at home handling the uncompressed feed from the mixer. And the headroom the machine had was amazing! The other engineers there were simply awestruck seeing a cassette recorder do high peaks without distortion! This was the second live event handled by this 1000ZXL this week. Kavi Alexander of Water Lily Acoustics has done spectacular recordings of these talented artists. And not suprised, he is using Studer C37s rebuilt by Tim de Paravicini, another virtuoso I admire! Regards Bala 79Labs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wore them because no footwear was allowed on stage, so it was easier to get them on and off..hehe Regards, Bala 79Labs BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Bala, Nice I like the chapal( foot gear for those who dont know what a Chapal is!!LOL:) you are wearing! in India everyone seems to be wearing these but again it is so hot over there! shoes can really make your feet burn!! anyway! back to your concerts that you have been taping, any chance we poor souls can get a cd for from you?! I love tabla music! you must had a grand time taping all this! and with your great talents and the 1000 ZXL I bet the recording must have been spectacular!!:) With Best Regards! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 30 12:24:34 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:24:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] off topic: Ebay parts suppliers Message-ID: Hi Henry! You wrote... >Asked why they said that after >a belt change the LP12 has to be set up to work properly?< Among us Henry.... seems me "Stupid"...what he told you...as an a "Erudite"...on turntables, what he say you is 100% stupid...it's NO true...Period!!! You pull off the platter...pull of the "Used" belt...with groves install the newer one after that you clean it well with Alcohol very carefully fit the outer platter again...& "Finito la Comedia"!!!! turn on the motor load a Lp record & enjoy...that's all. Nothing to alignned or soemthing like that!!! BTW...ask him if he can provide you such Linn's black oil...as each time that you change belt you need to put a least 3 drops of the Linn's black oil...after that you pull up the smaller central platter. Good Luck, ALEX! >From: "Henry" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Naktalk" >Subject: [naktalk] off topic: Ebay parts suppliers >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:24:50 -0000 > >Hi guys, >I know this is off topic, but its to do with Hi fi and could hold >implications for the future. >I received an email yesterday from the guy who supplies me parts for my >Linn >turntables. The parts are genuine and new A grade stock, He tells me that >he will not be able to give a service over Ebay in future - because Linn >have banned all sales of LP12 parts on ebay or the internet!! Any legal >eagles out there may be able to answer if they can do this? and if so how >far can they go? like selling new old stock parts by private individuals! >If they get away with it how long will it be before other companies follow >them? I can see the logic, when I asked my Linn dealer to supply belts >they told me that they only supply and fit! Asked why they said that after >a belt change the LP12 has to be set up to work properly? > >thanks > >Henry >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 12:28:31 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 02:28:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060330102831.27386.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sniff sniff.. New Zealand folk music, Dulcimer in the UK and Indian music in Asia..are we looking at portions of Nakathon IIIb here? Bala 79Labs Nelson wrote: I'd love to hear this, too as I am presently teaching myself how to play the Dulcimer. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 29 March 2006 23:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Session Hi Donald, Donald Sangster wrote: > I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert here in > good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 which was > refurbished last year. Hey hey, my favorite! > Mikes used were: > > 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors > 1 Beyer 58 > 1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). Outstanding rig! I'd love to hear that! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 30 12:35:45 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:35:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Message-ID: Hi Derrick! You wrote... Some of the tapes I made >on my old Kenwood deck (solid deck, but not spectacular) sounded amazing. With my Kenwood form the earlier 90ties KR-5010...it's NO true! Trough my Dragon, NR OFF (Also with the Kenwood was recorded NR OFF!), the sound using listening the recorded TDK SA-100-X on the Kenwood...sound so "Muffled"....& the Kenwood was 100% calibrated...so is my gifted Dragon...two heads (Kenwood), never...never...can sound as a 3 heads Nak! Sorry Derrick!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Derrick Beckner >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters >Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:45:48 -0500 > >I recall Julian Hirsch noting that Nak level meters didn't jive with other >comapnies meters, and that was one reason they recommended higher settings. > That being said, the %3 distortion level on decks like the Dragon, >CR-5/CR-7 were +7 whereas most decks were +3 at most. Nak was doing >something right. > >I've had a CR-2, CR-5 and Dragon and the latter two I would peak at about >+7 with no ill effects, although I must say it was heavily dependent on the >tape. Maxells and Sonys could take higher level than TDK, BASF or Fuji. I >actually preferred the tapes made on the CR-5 to the Dragon (both were >operating at spec). With good prerecorded tapes the CR-5 is just as good, >but of course the Dragon is much better with the "odds and sods" you have >laying around the house. Astonishingly good in some cases. Some of the >tapes I made on my old Kenwood deck (solid deck, but not spectacular) >sounded amazing. > >Yamaha's also recomend a slightly higher level too. For Chrome they >suggest peaks at +3 (+5 for metal). > >At 05:22 PM 3/29/2006, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>Hi Doane, >> >>You're right Doane. I goofed. Ah, I had the meter scales backward. Serves >>me right for trying to do things from memory. I used a ZX-7 only once and >>barely remembered how it works -- but I sure remember the fabulous sound >>it produced! Almost bought one for myself when they were new. Bought a >>used Scully 280B 30-ips mastering deck instead. >> >>Nakamichi's recommendations for setting recording level are interesting >>because they contradict Dolby's cautions that levels above the Dolby >>reference level will cause mistracking. Customarily, Dolby reference level >>is the same as 0-dB, mainly to ensure that tapes made on one recorder will >>play properly on an different recorder. Levels higher than 0-dB may >>overload the playback circuitry of lesser quality cassette decks. >>Interestingly, Nakamichi recommended setting recording levels for the 500 >>and 550 to 0-dB, regardless of tape type or whether Dolby was on. Now, I'm >>not saying Nakamichi is wrong about setting recording levels for the ZX-7 >>at levels higher than 0-dB. I'm making an observation and actually I'm >>admitting I do not know if they are correct, but I am definitely curious! >> >>There is a way to resolve any controversy on determining the "best" or the >>most satisfactory recording levels with ANY recorder. I recommend anyone >>who owns any recorder conduct the following listening tests to arrive at >>the satisfactory recording levels for your recorder with your favorite >>tape. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Thu Mar 30 13:00:04 2006 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:00:04 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session In-Reply-To: <012b01c65382$87b68ee0$a3a699de@tec> References: <016d01c6512b$c02a7790$d34e98de@tec> <442B0986.50408@woods-and-waters.com> <012b01c65382$87b68ee0$a3a699de@tec> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060330225912.01c679a8@paradise.net.nz> Hi Donald, May I ask who fitted it? Just wondering who is servicing in New Zealand now Brett At 10:45 a.m. 30/03/2006, you wrote: >Thanks Kermit > >The 600 is going beautifully now. New rec/play head (well .... made >in 1986 but just fitted!), new erase head, and full alignment. I >need a new sound card for my laptop first before I can do the rip, >so it may be a few weeks away before I get something up, but I will >email it to you as well as the network. > >Thanks again for your comments. > >Regards > >Donald > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:26 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Session > > >>Hi Donald, >> >>Donald Sangster wrote: >>>I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert here >>>in good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 >>>which was refurbished last year. >> >>Hey hey, my favorite! >> >>>Mikes used were: >>> 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors >>>1 Beyer 58 >>>1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). >> >>Outstanding rig! >> >> >>>The mike setup was 1 metre placing from 4 people on guitars, voice >>>and cello. The setup was used for sound reinforcement only, so >>>close miking was not used, hence some nice room acoustics were picked up. >>> The recorder did a lovely job on recycled TDK SA 90s, and when I >>> have ripped it to CD, I will put a sample up on the site (if >>> possible as an attachment). Mr moderator: is that possible? >>> Its great doing a real recording! >> >>I'd love to hear that! My web site is eagerly available to you for >>strwamin gyour recording as an example of what analog cassettes are >>capable of, if Wouter would not rather have his server tied up. >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for >>recording and pro audio info! >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 13:25:43 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:25:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <442B0D90.6010301@woods-and-waters.com> References: <518b7b10603251017w6e4284b0x10bab9d252b956ae@mail.gmail.com> <3.0.3.32.20060327093453.00836940@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060328084435.008241c0@earthlink.net> <4429E9CF.3090209@snet.net> <442B0D90.6010301@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10603300325gc791373tfd93dd020f009100@mail.gmail.com> Kermit, Maybe the fact that all my CD-replay equipment consists exclusively of Ed Meitner products would explain why I find a bit hard to understand most people's gripes with the format -:) I now have a Museatex CD Deck plus BiDat and also the latest EMM Labs SDCD (Mk II) plus the 2-channel DAC. I'm glad a pro like yourself appreciates the quality of his stuff. Goerge On 3/29/06, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Edward, > > Edward Noyes wrote: > > I've actually got a couple of Dead shows... dubs of the cassette masters > > from the digital source with the Nak unit and a pair of Sennheiser 44's. > > It was essentially identical to the Sony F1 except that Nak did some > > rework on the anolog circuits. If anything stands out compared to the > > low gen analog source tapes from the same period, it is the sense of > > actually having a strong left to right stereo localization of > > performers... even if 20 rows from the stage. Few to none of the anaolg > > source tapes from Sony D5 of Nak 550 could create the same sensation > > even when used with the same mic technique. Even so, the Nak PCM unit > > recording ultimately comes across as very clean and just a bit cold with > > what seems like a slightly lean bottom end (which could be a lack of > > analog bass overload and saturation with analog cassette mastered > > performances). I noticed a similar effect to a lesser degree when I hung > > up the Sony D5 for a DAT deck. Of course the tables turn with a vengence > > as I just landed a Sony D6 for $80 and am thrilled to have a really nice > > sounding portable cassette recorder again! > > Wow. I'm sorry I missed the Nak unit. I had the Sony F1. It was quite > good for its day, but frankly I preferred my 550 (BASF Chrome cassettes) > and the modified Revox A77 and Ampex 350 (Scotch 250, Ampex 459 > GrandMaster, BASF 111 or Agfa PEM-468 tapes) decks I was also using at > the time. I always experienced far better stereo localization with the > analog decks than with the F1, although the F1 was much more convenient > to use -- you didn't have to suffer over the bias and EQ like with the > analog decks. Sounds like Nakamichi really worked their magic on the F1. > Later on I leased a Sony PCM-3324 but soon got out of the lease because > the Studer A80 and Scully 280B multitrack I had were much more detailed > and musical. Rented a Mistuibishi X-86, the one with the 100 kHz > sampling rate, and almost leased that. It was the best DASH I've ever > heard, but again, even the B77 Revox could equal its sound, let alone > the higher-end analog decks. R-DAT and I never got along -- never found > one I could stand, and even the HHB I briefly had made my skin crawl. > One digital system I used did impress me with its analog-like sound and > incredible detail and warmth: Sony SACD's custom-made mastering rig that > used a Genex 8500 digital harddrive multitrack with DSD cards and custom > Meintner a-to-d and d-to-a convertors. Wow. I could be happy with that rig! > > I stated earlier, I'm eager to replace my DAW with analog mulitracks. > Digital has its place, and it is cheaper to operate than analog, but I > just have never been satisfied with any digital I've heard. The closest > I've come to wanting a digital setup recently was the Tascam DVRA-1000 > (in DSDIFF mode) with Apogee's UV-22 outboard convertors. Maybe one day, > but I'm in no hurry. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 30 14:25:56 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:25:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003b01c653f5$19612e50$7300a8c0@Shaun> Tell that to Nakamichi when they made their 600! I think a few people may not entirely agree with you, at least not to the degree that you could accept "Muffled" sound from a two head machine when played back in a three head. Perhaps your tapes have suffered from sunlight/damp over the years, some of mine that were left in the car certainly have. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 30 March 2006 11:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Hi Derrick! You wrote... Some of the tapes I made >on my old Kenwood deck (solid deck, but not spectacular) sounded >amazing. With my Kenwood form the earlier 90ties KR-5010...it's NO true! Trough my Dragon, NR OFF (Also with the Kenwood was recorded NR OFF!), the sound using listening the recorded TDK SA-100-X on the Kenwood...sound so "Muffled"....& the Kenwood was 100% calibrated...so is my gifted Dragon...two heads (Kenwood), never...never...can sound as a 3 heads Nak! Sorry Derrick!!! Cheers, ALEX! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 30 16:25:47 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:25:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Message-ID: Hi Shaun, NO...NO...I guard all my cassettes stuff extremely well, OK I accept that maybe from two heads Nak (500/600, etc...!), to discrete 3 heads also Nak product the "Lost" or "Muffled"...sound or it's minimally or don't exist...BUT...from my Kenwood KR-5010 recorded & extremely well guarded TDK Sa-X 100 minutes Asembled in USA; tape made in Japan...such "Muffled" sound exist! As to my eruditeness the gap of the two heads is always a compromise...among the 3 discrete Top of the line Naks...where such "Compromise"...DO NOT exist....each head is 100% designed erase ALL the tape well, record with a wide gap play with an a very narrow gap...."State of the Art"...solution! Shaun my best wishes, ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX7 meters >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:25:56 +0100 > >Tell that to Nakamichi when they made their 600! > >I think a few people may not entirely agree with you, at least not to the >degree that you could accept "Muffled" sound from a two head machine when >played back in a three head. Perhaps your tapes have suffered from >sunlight/damp over the years, some of mine that were left in the car >certainly have. > >Shaun > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Alex Cozac >Sent: 30 March 2006 11:36 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters > > >Hi Derrick! > >You wrote... Some of the tapes I made > >on my old Kenwood deck (solid deck, but not spectacular) sounded > >amazing. > >With my Kenwood form the earlier 90ties KR-5010...it's NO true! Trough my >Dragon, NR OFF (Also with the Kenwood was recorded NR OFF!), the sound >using > >listening the recorded TDK SA-100-X on the Kenwood...sound so >"Muffled"....& > >the Kenwood was 100% calibrated...so is my gifted Dragon...two heads >(Kenwood), never...never...can sound as a 3 heads Nak! Sorry Derrick!!! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Thu Mar 30 16:22:14 2006 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:22:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] off topic: Ebay parts suppliers Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3E14271@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Manufacturers can, and often do, require retail sellers to enter into restrictive agreements regarding how the retailers sell the manufacturer's products. The amount of discounting can be restricted as well as certain sales channels, like the internet. There are other high fidelity companies that prohibit internet sales for the retailers they directly supply. Typically, the manufacturer is trying to protect its reputation by ensuring that its goods are sold only through outlets with some cache. There are, of course, other motivations (i.e., limiting discounting, controlling authenticity of goods against fakes, etc.). But unless a seller has signed such an agreement, then the manufacturer has nothing to enforce and no leverage other than choosing not to continue doing business with that retailer. Thus, smaller sellers that obtain their parts indirectly can continue to sell through eBay or any other channel, so long as they do not need to get supplied directly by Linn (or whomever). Whether such agreements are really in the best interests of consumers, the economy or even the manufacturer is beyond this thread... But certainly subject to lively debate! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] off topic: Ebay parts suppliers Hi Henry! You wrote... >Asked why they said that after >a belt change the LP12 has to be set up to work properly?< Among us Henry.... seems me "Stupid"...what he told you...as an a "Erudite"...on turntables, what he say you is 100% stupid...it's NO true...Period!!! You pull off the platter...pull of the "Used" belt...with groves install the newer one after that you clean it well with Alcohol very carefully fit the outer platter again...& "Finito la Comedia"!!!! turn on the motor load a Lp record & enjoy...that's all. Nothing to alignned or soemthing like that!!! BTW...ask him if he can provide you such Linn's black oil...as each time that you change belt you need to put a least 3 drops of the Linn's black oil...after that you pull up the smaller central platter. Good Luck, ALEX! >From: "Henry" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Naktalk" >Subject: [naktalk] off topic: Ebay parts suppliers >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:24:50 -0000 > >Hi guys, >I know this is off topic, but its to do with Hi fi and could hold >implications for the future. >I received an email yesterday from the guy who supplies me parts for my >Linn turntables. The parts are genuine and new A grade stock, He >tells me that he will not be able to give a service over Ebay in future >- because Linn >have banned all sales of LP12 parts on ebay or the internet!! Any legal >eagles out there may be able to answer if they can do this? and if so >how far can they go? like selling new old stock parts by private individuals! >If they get away with it how long will it be before other companies >follow them? I can see the logic, when I asked my Linn dealer to >supply belts they told me that they only supply and fit! Asked why >they said that after a belt change the LP12 has to be set up to work properly? > >thanks > >Henry >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Thu Mar 30 16:41:03 2006 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:41:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: Reel to reels (Revox vs. Otari) Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3E142D8@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Sorry to be off topic again... But how does a Revox A77 compare to an OTARI MX-5050BII-2? Revox is at $300 and Otari at $375... Both supposedly in top shape. The Otari is from a pro film/sound shop with its own engineer to maintain equip. They moved to digital. From rob at rhoag.com Thu Mar 30 17:41:21 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:41:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: <442B0889.7060506@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hi, Kermit: Well, there's a first time for everyone! ;~) I think your test idea is good; it would be interesting to hear what listeners report back on their respective Naks and with the peak level settings suggested in their manuals. I never have tried your test suggestion myself, but I have compared the recorded tape against the actual source, by playing them back and synchronizing them, adjusting the volume the same, and I found they always sounded identical or nearly so, depending on the deck at the time. I used to do this mainly on 2 head Naks where I had no tape monitor, and even they sounded only slightly different. I also, always did critical A/B comparisons on my ZX7s, to be sure I was going to get the best quality recording of my target music at the record level settings. In my experience, I found I could set the record peak levels to the Nakamichi suggested levels and in A/B critical listening with high quality head phones on I could hear no difference between the source and the tape (recorded) sound. I even found that I could even go higher then those suggested levels on some music types, but I always followed the Nak designers recommendation in the manual. This is true now, on my currant ZX7, and was true back in the 80's as well when I was in my 40's and my ears were probably much better. :~) All my recordings were always done on the highest quality cassettes, such as TDKSA, SAX, MA, etc. and I always did the calibration before recording each side as I mentioned. All the best, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:22 PM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Hi Doane, You're right Doane. I goofed. Ah, I had the meter scales backward. Serves me right for trying to do things from memory. I used a ZX-7 only once and barely remembered how it works -- but I sure remember the fabulous sound it produced! Almost bought one for myself when they were new. Bought a used Scully 280B 30-ips mastering deck instead. Nakamichi's recommendations for setting recording level are interesting because they contradict Dolby's cautions that levels above the Dolby reference level will cause mistracking. Customarily, Dolby reference level is the same as 0-dB, mainly to ensure that tapes made on one recorder will play properly on an different recorder. Levels higher than 0-dB may overload the playback circuitry of lesser quality cassette decks. Interestingly, Nakamichi recommended setting recording levels for the 500 and 550 to 0-dB, regardless of tape type or whether Dolby was on. Now, I'm not saying Nakamichi is wrong about setting recording levels for the ZX-7 at levels higher than 0-dB. I'm making an observation and actually I'm admitting I do not know if they are correct, but I am definitely curious! There is a way to resolve any controversy on determining the "best" or the most satisfactory recording levels with ANY recorder. I recommend anyone who owns any recorder conduct the following listening tests to arrive at the satisfactory recording levels for your recorder with your favorite tape. For this activity, you will need a tape recorder with blank tape (you guessed that) and a "test series" of source recordings for evaluation. For the rest of this discussion I'll assume the recorder is a Nakamichi ZX-7. I'd recommend the "test series" include 1) solo male vocal, 2) solo female vocal, 3) solo piano, 4) drum solo with plenty of crashing cymbals, high-hats, thumping kick, cracking snares and some brushed snares; 5) solo violin, and 6) massed strings. Firstly, make a recording of the "test series" with the level set to 0-dB on the peaks -- regardless of what the recorder manual states. Now playback the tape and do some critical listening. 1) solo male vocal -- listen for chestiness (boominess) and sibilance, 2) solo female vocal -- listen for breathiness and sibilance, 3) solo piano -- listen for the crisp attack of the note without it sounding "tinkly" or cheap and the subtle reverb-like resonance of the soundboard, 4) drum solo with plenty of crashing cymbals -- listen for clean metallic sheen (bell-like resonance) instead of a shhh-shhh sound; high-hats -- listen for crisp metallic resonance instead of shhh-shhhh sound, thumping kick -- listen for tight and defned without being boomy or indistinct, cracking snares -- listen for the sensation of the material and the sharp attack, and some brushed snares -- listen for the "sizzle" and swoosh of the brushes; 5) solo violin -- listen for a sweet and woodlike resonance without being shrill or screechy, and 6) massed strings -- listen for a lush, full sound that is mellow and lush with gentle swells without sounding shrill, screechy, or muffled. Okay, got it? Listen close, listen often until you are intimately familiar with all the sounds. Secondly, get a second blank tape of the same type and re-record the "test series," but this time set the recording level according to the recorder's manual. In the case of the ZX-7, I'd follow your suggestions: Normal and Chrome tapes (like TDK SA) set the peaks to +5db maximum, and Metal tapes like TDK MA set the loudest passage peaks to +8 maximum. Listen to the playback. Is it different in any way? If not, then all is well and the higher levels are just fine. But, I have a feeling that cymbals and high-hats will have lost the natural metallic resonance and now take on a harsh shhh-shhh sound; vocals will have an slight edge of sibilance or hardness; piano will have a hardness to their attack, violins and massed strings will be shrill and edgy, and that the recording overall will have a lack of smoothness and naturalness, becoming harder sounding. If I'm wrong on this prediction, then wow-oh-wow I am impressed with the ZX-7! ENGAGE BEG MODE: I'm really hoping someone will try these listening tests, not just with the ZX-7 but with Dragons, CR-whatevrs, &c. Let us know your experiences. I'm really curious if any cassette deck, even a Nakamichi, can record such high a levels without apparent quality loss. Admittedly, I've never set levels above 0-dB in keeping with Dolby's recommendations and to ensure the tapes are playable on all tape decks. This reflects my professional recording outlook (especially the concern for playability on all tape decks), not a rigid "Though Shalt Not Recordeth Above 0 VU" dogmatism. N-Joy! Doane Hoag wrote: > Hi, Henry: > > I've owned several ZX7s over the years.. it's my favorite Nak deck. > > The bigger numbers in the center of the horizontal meter, are the peak > readings you want to use for recording.. the two outside numbers are static > signal levels used for calibration, but the only one you need there is the > "Cal" mark spot, at 0db, when you are setting up your bias and levels, so > just ignore those outside numbers. > > I always do the three step head/levels/bias set up for each side of the tape > I'm recording, because it's so easy and quick with the ZX7. > > I always check each record (or what ever the source is) and try to find the > loudest passage to set my highest record level indication on the meters. > Using the mono trick that some one suggested really helps too, but if you > just play the loudest passage you can easily set the peak levels, BUT keep > the left and right channel the same, unless you have a recording that was > improperly recorded with one channel obviously louder then the other one. > > If you have a test CD or tape that has some signals on it like white noise I > guess you could use them to initially get your right and left knobs lined up > physically, correctly, but if you deck is calibrated right they shouldn't be > off very much. > > I've always had good luck following the ZX7 User's Manual suggestion for > peak music levels using high quality tapes: > > Normal and Chrome tapes like TDKSA set your peaks to +5db max. > > Metal tapes like TDKMA set the loudest passage peaks to +8 max . -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Mar 30 18:50:58 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:50:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 problem and modification Message-ID: <442C0C72.9070308@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, I got a CR-3E today with one big problem, it doesn't do anything when play, fwd or rew is pressed. When I opened the case a small square print next to the powersupply got my attention, this was clearly not original! When I removed it the bottom read "Transtec" and "p/1045"... so I just asked TvdH and he claims it was his modification of the reelmotor drive that gave this Nak known problems. Anyone seen this or similar modifications on CR-3's? And to fix this problem, any suggestions? I found something in the archives on the cam motor that would be stuck or needs cleaning... Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Mar 30 20:26:28 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:26:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 problem and modification In-Reply-To: <442C0C72.9070308@xs4all.nl> References: <442C0C72.9070308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <442C22D4.1030403@xs4all.nl> Not the cam motor but the door switch caused this... sometimes it's too easy! Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > And to fix this problem, any suggestions? I found something in the > archives on the cam motor that would be stuck or needs cleaning... > > > Wouter From wjw at warwick.net Thu Mar 30 19:11:03 2006 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:11:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: Reel to reels (Revox vs. Otari) References: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3E142D8@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Message-ID: <442C1127.88A1720C@warwick.net> Well, I don't know how they compare sonically, that is which might have the better heads,etc. but I'm sure there are people here who can give you some info on this. I have an Otari MX-5050- 2 channel, switchable between 2 track and 4 track, and capable of 15, 7 1/2, and 3 3/4 ips. speeds, and it is one solid workhorse of a machine, both in its sound and in its construction. XLR inputs and outputs for both playback and recording, an editing feature, built in frequency tones, etc.- even a nice little 'splicing' groove setup right on the machine. A friend of mine has a Revox A77, and it is a fine sounding machine, but it is not constructed nearly as solidly as the Otari, and is not nearly as 'professional' a piece of equipment. But the Revox machines are fine machines. My understanding (which I admit is limited) is that the Otari machines were built for professional use- radio stations, etc., and they are definitely built to withstand constant use, and probably even major natural disasters. My Otari is built like a tank, and unless you're built like Hulk Hogan I wouldn't call it 'portable'. The Revox, on the other hand, is quite compact and could easily be schlepped from place to place, if need be. "Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)" wrote: > Sorry to be off topic again... But how does a Revox A77 compare to an > OTARI MX-5050BII-2? > > Revox is at $300 and Otari at $375... Both supposedly in top shape. > The Otari is from a pro film/sound shop with its own engineer to > maintain equip. They moved to digital. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 30 20:14:22 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:14:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: <518b7b10603300325gc791373tfd93dd020f009100@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mr Sank used to sing the praises of the Bidat. They're a bit beyond my price range ... esp. now I'm out of work! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: 30 March 2006 12:26 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Kermit, Maybe the fact that all my CD-replay equipment consists exclusively of Ed Meitner products would explain why I find a bit hard to understand most people's gripes with the format -:) I now have a Museatex CD Deck plus BiDat and also the latest EMM Labs SDCD (Mk II) plus the 2-channel DAC. I'm glad a pro like yourself appreciates the quality of his stuff. Goerge From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 30 20:22:13 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:22:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c65426$df1084d0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Alex, The thing is, did they originally play well on your Kenwood? If they did, then something else has happened either to the original tape or the tape deck that it is now bwing played back on. But there again, it might just be the passage of time on the old ears! Cheers Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 30 March 2006 15:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Hi Shaun, NO...NO...I guard all my cassettes stuff extremely well, OK I accept that maybe from two heads Nak (500/600, etc...!), to discrete 3 heads also Nak product the "Lost" or "Muffled"...sound or it's minimally or don't exist...BUT...from my Kenwood KR-5010 recorded & extremely well guarded TDK Sa-X 100 minutes Asembled in USA; tape made in Japan...such "Muffled" sound exist! As to my eruditeness the gap of the two heads is always a compromise...among the 3 discrete Top of the line Naks...where such "Compromise"...DO NOT exist....each head is 100% designed erase ALL the tape well, record with a wide gap play with an a very narrow gap...."State of the Art"...solution! Shaun my best wishes, ALEX! >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX7 meters >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:25:56 +0100 > >Tell that to Nakamichi when they made their 600! > >I think a few people may not entirely agree with you, at least not to >the degree that you could accept "Muffled" sound from a two head >machine when played back in a three head. Perhaps your tapes have >suffered from sunlight/damp over the years, some of mine that were left >in the car certainly have. > >Shaun > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of Alex Cozac >Sent: 30 March 2006 11:36 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters > > >Hi Derrick! > >You wrote... Some of the tapes I made > >on my old Kenwood deck (solid deck, but not spectacular) sounded > >amazing. > >With my Kenwood form the earlier 90ties KR-5010...it's NO true! Trough >my Dragon, NR OFF (Also with the Kenwood was recorded NR OFF!), the >sound using > >listening the recorded TDK SA-100-X on the Kenwood...sound so >"Muffled"....& > >the Kenwood was 100% calibrated...so is my gifted Dragon...two heads >(Kenwood), never...never...can sound as a 3 heads Nak! Sorry Derrick!!! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1462 (20060330) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 30 21:05:11 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:05:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL in live action photos Bala in Pic?!:) In-Reply-To: <20060330010811.2959.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060330010811.2959.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <442C2BE7.2050503@rcn.com> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Gra, > > There are many people who advocate things against the norm. The > designer of McIntosh's loudspeaker, who also designed some of the their > electronics advised me to use line cord for speaker wire! He also had > extensive articles published on the internet about 'expensive cables' > and that they use line cord in all their tests. But using his own > speakers, I was able to hear a percertible difference when using > ordinary copper wires and better grade speaker wires (seperating the > hype from the real deal cables is very much in ones hands). Of course, it depends what zip cord and what speaker cable were compared. There is no difference between *adequate* zip cord and speaker cables that can cost 10 times as much (except for the price, of course). The signal only cares about electrical properties of the cable. -- Ron > This experience also continues with components. However there are > certain components that really don't give me any difference at all, and > they may only be creating a perception in the listeners mind. It is > certainly amazing if you are able to built good sounding (vs good > measured) equipment. I do respect Tim because he chooses classic decks > which are already well reknowned and takes them to the highest level. > > Regards > Bala > > */Nelson /* wrote: > > Bala > > Interesting you mention TdP ... he seems to be much admired and much > maligned at the same time! One thing some of my cohorts on the > Leak site find uncomfortable about TdP (that I'll make Ron will > smile at) is that Tim doesn't favour exotic expensive components in > his designs but generally goes for the bog standar! d ones you might > in Maplins or some such high street shop. It is a wonder, said one > of them, that he can make his amps sound so good with such cr#p > components! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *Bala Ganesh Chandra > *Sent:* 29 March 2006 16:02 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL in live action photos > Bala in Pic?!:) > > Hi Ali, > > Yes thats me. This was a series of indian concerts with > various instruments. Indian instruments are harder to capture > due to the extended keys and complex ensembles the various > artistes play, . Earlier in the week, there was a solo tabla and > sitar combo which just electrified the audience! The 1000ZXL > was so comfortable and at home handling the uncompressed feed > from the mixer. And the headroom the machine had was amazing! > The other engineers there were simply awestruck seeing a > cassette recorder do high peaks without distortion! This was > the second live event handled by this 1000ZXL this week. > > Kavi Alexander of Water Lily Acoustics has done spectacular > recordings of these talented artists. And not suprised, he is > using Studer C37s rebuilt by Tim de Paravicini, another virtuoso > I admire! > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 30 21:31:38 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:31:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Offtopic: Reel to reels (Revox vs. Otari) In-Reply-To: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3E142D8@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> References: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3E142D8@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> Message-ID: <442C321A.7040401@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Thomas. Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) wrote: > Sorry to be off topic again... But how does a Revox A77 compare to an > OTARI MX-5050BII-2? > It doesn't. The Revox A77 is excellent but it's a home stereo deck. The Otari is a fully professional 15-ips studio deck, superior in every aspect (sonically and mechanically) to the Revox A77. I've owned both. I used the A77 in my location work because it had very good sound and because, I hate to admit, it was expendable. I had several A77 stolen or damaged on location over the years. The A77 is a bit fragile, the brake system is no bleeping good, and it is a bench queen (it need constant tweaking an maintenance). The meters are too small and overdamped (only the deck's high headroom saves you from otherwise worthless meters), the tape lifter is horrible (because it lets the tape slap the head during stop and fast wind), and it has too many internal connectors. The contant speed system uses a 2N3055 transistor that it burns out regularly because the heat sink is too small. The brightwork is pitifully made and breaks off too easily. The power/speed switch is flimsy and breaks easily. BUT the A77 has pro-quality sound and for a home stereo deck it gives the average person a level of quality they'd otherwise never have the opportunity to enjoy! A Otari MX-5050 Mk. II was my B Room master deck for years. Open, quite detailed sound with a good sense of air, ruggedly built, with good reliability -- a true workhorse. I preferred it to the excellent and flawless-sounding Studer B67 because it was half the price, sounded just as good and was nowhere as touchy as the B67 to keep properly biased and aligned. It was good enough to master a commercially released album, but my main use for it was editing and recording tapes for broadcast, plus recording demos and rehearsals. (Of course the A Room machines were Scully, Ampex 350 and Studer A80; and a comparison to the Otari is unfair.) I'd encourage you to either grab the Otari or have yourself committed to the insane asylum for passing it up (joking). -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Mar 30 21:45:38 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:45:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442C3562.8030002@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' & George, Nelson wrote: > Mr Sank used to sing the praises of the Bidat. They're a bit beyond my > price range ... esp. now I'm out of work! > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of george valkov > Sent: 30 March 2006 12:26 > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT > > Maybe the fact that all my CD-replay equipment consists exclusively of > Ed Meitner products would explain why I find a bit hard to understand > most people's gripes with the format -:) Oh well, yeah, with an all-Meitner CD setup then CDs do sound fabulous! Hey, that's cheating! Man, you're missing the point of buying an audiophile CD system! With a rig like that you cannot have any fun griping about the sound of CDs! You gotta buy a CD rig that induces migraine headaches yet costs as much as a luxury car. The you gotta spend as much as three mortgage payments on cables, CD "demagnetizers" andother "tweaks" to improve the sound so that it only induces a dull heaadache. Then you can get together with your friends and spend your time exchanging complaints as you listen to music. Oh, but not you, you're no fun. You buy Meitner gear and sit back to enjoy wonderful, analog like sound out of CDs, hearing what the mastering engineer enjoyed. Party pooper. Meanwhile the rest of us suffer. It's not fair. The government should issue Meitner Stamps.... (I'm joking). > I now have a Museatex CD Deck plus BiDat and also the latest EMM Labs > SDCD (Mk II) plus the 2-channel DAC. Oh, man, this is the EXACT setup I want but right now it's not within my budgetary abilities. Soon, hopefully, soon. > I'm glad a pro like yourself appreciates the quality of his stuff. > Goerge > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Thu Mar 30 22:26:05 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:26:05 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Noisy capstan motor on my CR-7A Message-ID: <14625277937.20060330232605@kharkov.ua> Hi all, There is rather subtle but audible humming tone coming from the capstan motor (or capstan flywheel). This noise is really small and can not be heard when the music is played. Yet I can hear it when my CR-7A is on and at stop mode. I unscrewed off the motor control P.C.B. to inspect the tail portion on the Capstan Shaft and found it is clean. Do experts have an idea what causes this humming? Is it a lubrication issue? I would appreciate if somebody could give me a picture of the motor cross-section. I can think only of ball-bearing lubrication dried off as the unit spent over 10 years in storage. thanks, Sergei From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Thu Mar 30 22:34:46 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:34:46 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session References: <016d01c6512b$c02a7790$d34e98de@tec><442B0986.50408@woods-and-waters.com><012b01c65382$87b68ee0$a3a699de@tec> <7.0.1.0.0.20060330225912.01c679a8@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <00d401c65439$62a271c0$5e2999de@tec> Hello Brett It was sent to Axent Audio in New Lynn Auckland. I understand they actually had the work done by a contract technician although I have no details about that. It was a good job though, and a reasonable price. I got the head from B+W in the UK. Whether they now have any left I do not know (how's that for Yoda grammar or is that grammar Yoda?) Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Dickel" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Session > Hi Donald, > May I ask who fitted it? > Just wondering who is servicing in New Zealand now > > Brett > > At 10:45 a.m. 30/03/2006, you wrote: > >>Thanks Kermit >> >>The 600 is going beautifully now. New rec/play head (well .... made in >>1986 but just fitted!), new erase head, and full alignment. I need a new >>sound card for my laptop first before I can do the rip, so it may be a few >>weeks away before I get something up, but I will email it to you as well >>as the network. >> >>Thanks again for your comments. >> >>Regards >> >>Donald >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit V. Gray" >> >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:26 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Session >> >> >>>Hi Donald, >>> >>>Donald Sangster wrote: >>>>I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert here in >>>>good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 which was >>>>refurbished last year. >>> >>>Hey hey, my favorite! >>> >>>>Mikes used were: >>>> 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors >>>>1 Beyer 58 >>>>1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). >>> >>>Outstanding rig! >>> >>> >>>>The mike setup was 1 metre placing from 4 people on guitars, voice and >>>>cello. The setup was used for sound reinforcement only, so close miking >>>>was not used, hence some nice room acoustics were picked up. >>>> The recorder did a lovely job on recycled TDK SA 90s, and when I have >>>> ripped it to CD, I will put a sample up on the site (if possible as an >>>> attachment). Mr moderator: is that possible? >>>> Its great doing a real recording! >>> >>>I'd love to hear that! My web site is eagerly available to you for >>>strwamin gyour recording as an example of what analog cassettes are >>>capable of, if Wouter would not rather have his server tied up. >>> >>>-- >>>Kermit Gray >>>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>>pro audio info! >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 30 23:33:22 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:33:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session In-Reply-To: <012b01c65382$87b68ee0$a3a699de@tec> References: <016d01c6512b$c02a7790$d34e98de@tec> <442B0986.50408@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060330153322.0081c2b0@earthlink.net> save the old head. They are relappable!! tom brucker At 10:45 AM 3/30/06 +1200, you wrote: >Thanks Kermit > >The 600 is going beautifully now. New rec/play head (well .... made in 1986 >but just fitted!), new erase head, and full alignment. I need a new sound >card for my laptop first before I can do the rip, so it may be a few weeks >away before I get something up, but I will email it to you as well as the >network. > >Thanks again for your comments. > >Regards > >Donald > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:26 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Session > > >> Hi Donald, >> >> Donald Sangster wrote: >>> I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert here in >>> good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 which was >>> refurbished last year. >> >> Hey hey, my favorite! >> >>> Mikes used were: >>> 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors >>> 1 Beyer 58 >>> 1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). >> >> Outstanding rig! >> >> >>> The mike setup was 1 metre placing from 4 people on guitars, voice and >>> cello. The setup was used for sound reinforcement only, so close miking >>> was not used, hence some nice room acoustics were picked up. >>> The recorder did a lovely job on recycled TDK SA 90s, and when I have >>> ripped it to CD, I will put a sample up on the site (if possible as an >>> attachment). Mr moderator: is that possible? >>> Its great doing a real recording! >> >> I'd love to hear that! My web site is eagerly available to you for >> strwamin gyour recording as an example of what analog cassettes are >> capable of, if Wouter would not rather have his server tied up. >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >> pro audio info! >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 30 23:33:22 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:33:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060329173726.03db9f70@psulias.psu.edu> References: <442B0889.7060506@woods-and-waters.com> <442B0889.7060506@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060330153322.0081be00@earthlink.net> The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be relative. 0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese standard, which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , but Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one step further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were applied, so Dolby level was at -3Vu. Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu in Pro gear non-relative. I hope this clears it up a bit. tom brucker At 05:45 PM 3/29/06 -0500, Derrick Beckner wrote: >I recall Julian Hirsch noting that Nak level meters didn't jive with other >comapnies meters, and that was one reason they recommended higher >settings. That being said, the %3 distortion level on decks like the >Dragon, CR-5/CR-7 were +7 whereas most decks were +3 at most. Nak was >doing something right. > >I've had a CR-2, CR-5 and Dragon and the latter two I would peak at about >+7 with no ill effects, although I must say it was heavily dependent on the >tape. Maxells and Sonys could take higher level than TDK, BASF or Fuji. I >actually preferred the tapes made on the CR-5 to the Dragon (both were >operating at spec). With good prerecorded tapes the CR-5 is just as good, >but of course the Dragon is much better with the "odds and sods" you have >laying around the house. Astonishingly good in some cases. Some of the >tapes I made on my old Kenwood deck (solid deck, but not spectacular) >sounded amazing. > >Yamaha's also recomend a slightly higher level too. For Chrome they >suggest peaks at +3 (+5 for metal). > >At 05:22 PM 3/29/2006, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>Hi Doane, >> >>You're right Doane. I goofed. Ah, I had the meter scales backward. Serves >>me right for trying to do things from memory. I used a ZX-7 only once and >>barely remembered how it works -- but I sure remember the fabulous sound >>it produced! Almost bought one for myself when they were new. Bought a >>used Scully 280B 30-ips mastering deck instead. >> >>Nakamichi's recommendations for setting recording level are interesting >>because they contradict Dolby's cautions that levels above the Dolby >>reference level will cause mistracking. Customarily, Dolby reference level >>is the same as 0-dB, mainly to ensure that tapes made on one recorder will >>play properly on an different recorder. Levels higher than 0-dB may >>overload the playback circuitry of lesser quality cassette decks. >>Interestingly, Nakamichi recommended setting recording levels for the 500 >>and 550 to 0-dB, regardless of tape type or whether Dolby was on. Now, I'm >>not saying Nakamichi is wrong about setting recording levels for the ZX-7 >>at levels higher than 0-dB. I'm making an observation and actually I'm >>admitting I do not know if they are correct, but I am definitely curious! >> >>There is a way to resolve any controversy on determining the "best" or the >>most satisfactory recording levels with ANY recorder. I recommend anyone >>who owns any recorder conduct the following listening tests to arrive at >>the satisfactory recording levels for your recorder with your favorite tape. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 30 23:33:22 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:33:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: <442B1237.8070501@woods-and-waters.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060329173726.03db9f70@psulias.psu.edu> <442B0889.7060506@woods-and-waters.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060329173726.03db9f70@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060330153322.0081c910@earthlink.net> Crystalloy heads did not saturate like permalloy. Sendust was better, but still fell short of Crystalloy. Meter ballisistics also influence readings when playing or recording music. Consumer Vu meters are all different, and unsophisticated, so it is important to know your machine and know where distortion begins into the red zone. tom brucker At 05:03 PM 3/29/06 -0600, you wrote: > > >Derrick Beckner wrote: >> I recall Julian Hirsch noting that Nak level meters didn't jive with >> other comapnies meters, and that was one reason they recommended higher >> settings. That being said, the %3 distortion level on decks like the >> Dragon, CR-5/CR-7 were +7 whereas most decks were +3 at most. Nak was >> doing something right. > >This explains a lot. The 500, 550 and 600's meters are more "standard" >in their reading, if you will. By the way, I've found the 3% THD point >on my 550, 600 and 600-II is +5 dB with TDK SA tape. This is amazing >considering the other 1970s cassette recorders. My Pioneer CT-F7272, >which is the same vintage, reaches 3% THD at +2 dB in comparison, but >its frequency response is audibly inferior compared to the Naks. > >Okay, well, I should have trusted Nakamichi more. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 30 23:33:21 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:33:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: <003b01c653f5$19612e50$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060330153321.0081cc50@earthlink.net> Car tapes are heated in the summer, and heat causes self erasure of high frequencies. True CrO2 tapes were almost immune to self erasure. tom brucker At 01:25 PM 3/30/06 +0100, you wrote: >Tell that to Nakamichi when they made their 600! > >I think a few people may not entirely agree with you, at least not to the >degree that you could accept "Muffled" sound from a two head machine when >played back in a three head. Perhaps your tapes have suffered from >sunlight/damp over the years, some of mine that were left in the car >certainly have. > >Shaun > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Alex Cozac >Sent: 30 March 2006 11:36 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters > > >Hi Derrick! > >You wrote... Some of the tapes I made >>on my old Kenwood deck (solid deck, but not spectacular) sounded >>amazing. > >With my Kenwood form the earlier 90ties KR-5010...it's NO true! Trough my >Dragon, NR OFF (Also with the Kenwood was recorded NR OFF!), the sound using > >listening the recorded TDK SA-100-X on the Kenwood...sound so "Muffled"....& > >the Kenwood was 100% calibrated...so is my gifted Dragon...two heads >(Kenwood), never...never...can sound as a 3 heads Nak! Sorry Derrick!!! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 30 23:39:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:39:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Noisy capstan motor on my CR-7A In-Reply-To: <14625277937.20060330232605@kharkov.ua> References: <14625277937.20060330232605@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <442C502A.4030600@rcn.com> Sergei Vorontsov wrote: > Hi all, > > There is rather subtle but audible humming tone coming from > the capstan motor (or capstan flywheel). > This noise is really small and can not be heard when the music is played. > Yet I can hear it when my CR-7A is on and at stop mode. > > I unscrewed off the motor control P.C.B. to inspect > the tail portion on the Capstan Shaft and found it is clean. > > Do experts have an idea what causes this humming? > Is it a lubrication issue? > I would appreciate if somebody could give me a picture of > the motor cross-section. I can think only of ball-bearing > lubrication dried off as the unit spent over 10 years in > storage. > > thanks, > Sergei I think your diagnosis is close. Try to lubricate the casptan bearing. The easy way is to do it from the front: place the deck on its back and pull the washer at the base of the capstan up. Then, put a drop of light machine oil onto the capstan base. Try not to let the oil get any higher than absolutely necessary. Work the capstan up and down and add oil, to let it seep all the way to the other side of the bearing. When done, fully clean the capstan from any oil (I use MEK, but sparingly, with much ventilation. It can be dangerous). The longer way is to remove the capstan/flywheel from the back and lubricate the bearing with light machine oil. Then, replace the capstan and clean thoroughly. Put a dab of light grease on the back end before re-installing the back plate. I do this once every 2 or 3 years. Good luck, -- Ron From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Thu Mar 30 23:49:09 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:49:09 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060329173726.03db9f70@psulias.psu.edu><442B0889.7060506@woods-and-waters.com><6.1.2.0.2.20060329173726.03db9f70@psulias.psu.edu> <3.0.3.32.20060330153322.0081c910@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <011c01c65443$c66ad530$5e2999de@tec> The 600 also has the amazing IM distotion removal switch which operates on playback only. It reduces audible, not just measurable, distortion to a remarkable extent. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters > Crystalloy heads did not saturate like permalloy. Sendust was better, but > still fell short of Crystalloy. > Meter ballisistics also influence readings when playing or recording > music. > Consumer Vu meters are all different, and unsophisticated, so it is > important to know your machine and know where distortion begins into the > red zone. > > tom brucker > > At 05:03 PM 3/29/06 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >>Derrick Beckner wrote: >>> I recall Julian Hirsch noting that Nak level meters didn't jive with >>> other comapnies meters, and that was one reason they recommended higher >>> settings. That being said, the %3 distortion level on decks like the >>> Dragon, CR-5/CR-7 were +7 whereas most decks were +3 at most. Nak was >>> doing something right. >> >>This explains a lot. The 500, 550 and 600's meters are more "standard" >>in their reading, if you will. By the way, I've found the 3% THD point >>on my 550, 600 and 600-II is +5 dB with TDK SA tape. This is amazing >>considering the other 1970s cassette recorders. My Pioneer CT-F7272, >>which is the same vintage, reaches 3% THD at +2 dB in comparison, but >>its frequency response is audibly inferior compared to the Naks. >> >>Okay, well, I should have trusted Nakamichi more. >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>pro audio info! >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Thu Mar 30 23:57:54 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:57:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060330153322.0081be00@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tom: Thanks for the explination, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 1:33 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be relative. 0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese standard, which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , but Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one step further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were applied, so Dolby level was at -3Vu. Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu in Pro gear non-relative. I hope this clears it up a bit. tom brucker At 05:45 PM 3/29/06 -0500, Derrick Beckner wrote: >I recall Julian Hirsch noting that Nak level meters didn't jive with other >comapnies meters, and that was one reason they recommended higher >settings. That being said, the %3 distortion level on decks like the >Dragon, CR-5/CR-7 were +7 whereas most decks were +3 at most. Nak was >doing something right. > >I've had a CR-2, CR-5 and Dragon and the latter two I would peak at about >+7 with no ill effects, although I must say it was heavily dependent on the >tape. Maxells and Sonys could take higher level than TDK, BASF or Fuji. I >actually preferred the tapes made on the CR-5 to the Dragon (both were >operating at spec). With good prerecorded tapes the CR-5 is just as good, >but of course the Dragon is much better with the "odds and sods" you have >laying around the house. Astonishingly good in some cases. Some of the >tapes I made on my old Kenwood deck (solid deck, but not spectacular) >sounded amazing. > >Yamaha's also recomend a slightly higher level too. For Chrome they >suggest peaks at +3 (+5 for metal). > >At 05:22 PM 3/29/2006, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>Hi Doane, >> >>You're right Doane. I goofed. Ah, I had the meter scales backward. Serves >>me right for trying to do things from memory. I used a ZX-7 only once and >>barely remembered how it works -- but I sure remember the fabulous sound >>it produced! Almost bought one for myself when they were new. Bought a >>used Scully 280B 30-ips mastering deck instead. >> >>Nakamichi's recommendations for setting recording level are interesting >>because they contradict Dolby's cautions that levels above the Dolby >>reference level will cause mistracking. Customarily, Dolby reference level >>is the same as 0-dB, mainly to ensure that tapes made on one recorder will >>play properly on an different recorder. Levels higher than 0-dB may >>overload the playback circuitry of lesser quality cassette decks. >>Interestingly, Nakamichi recommended setting recording levels for the 500 >>and 550 to 0-dB, regardless of tape type or whether Dolby was on. Now, I'm >>not saying Nakamichi is wrong about setting recording levels for the ZX-7 >>at levels higher than 0-dB. I'm making an observation and actually I'm >>admitting I do not know if they are correct, but I am definitely curious! >> >>There is a way to resolve any controversy on determining the "best" or the >>most satisfactory recording levels with ANY recorder. I recommend anyone >>who owns any recorder conduct the following listening tests to arrive at >>the satisfactory recording levels for your recorder with your favorite tape. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Mar 31 00:11:55 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:11:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: Reel to reels (Revox vs. Otari) Message-ID: Hi Bala: Is there any way you can post so that your text wraps.. it's really hard to read when it goes way off the screen on the right. Thanks, Doane From jochi at qwest.net Fri Mar 31 01:00:29 2006 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:00:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060330153322.0081c2b0@earthlink.net> References: <016d01c6512b$c02a7790$d34e98de@tec> <442B0986.50408@woods-and-waters.com> <3.0.3.32.20060330153322.0081c2b0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tom, Where can one get a Nak 600 head relapped? Jon On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Hi Tech wrote: > save the old head. They are relappable!! > > tom brucker > > At 10:45 AM 3/30/06 +1200, you wrote: >> Thanks Kermit >> >> The 600 is going beautifully now. New rec/play head (well .... >> made in 1986 >> but just fitted!), new erase head, and full alignment. I need a >> new sound >> card for my laptop first before I can do the rip, so it may be a >> few weeks >> away before I get something up, but I will email it to you as well >> as the >> network. >> >> Thanks again for your comments. >> >> Regards >> >> Donald >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kermit V. Gray" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Session >> >> >>> Hi Donald, >>> >>> Donald Sangster wrote: >>>> I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert >>>> here in >>>> good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 >>>> which was >>>> refurbished last year. >>> >>> Hey hey, my favorite! >>> >>>> Mikes used were: >>>> 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors >>>> 1 Beyer 58 >>>> 1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). >>> >>> Outstanding rig! >>> >>> >>>> The mike setup was 1 metre placing from 4 people on guitars, >>>> voice and >>>> cello. The setup was used for sound reinforcement only, so close >>>> miking >>>> was not used, hence some nice room acoustics were picked up. >>>> The recorder did a lovely job on recycled TDK SA 90s, and when >>>> I have >>>> ripped it to CD, I will put a sample up on the site (if possible >>>> as an >>>> attachment). Mr moderator: is that possible? >>>> Its great doing a real recording! >>> >>> I'd love to hear that! My web site is eagerly available to you for >>> strwamin gyour recording as an example of what analog cassettes are >>> capable of, if Wouter would not rather have his server tied up. >>> >>> -- >>> Kermit Gray >>> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for >>> recording and >>> pro audio info! >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Fri Mar 31 05:41:31 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:41:31 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session References: <016d01c6512b$c02a7790$d34e98de@tec><442B0986.50408@woods-and-waters.com> <3.0.3.32.20060330153322.0081c2b0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01af01c65475$0062a750$5e2999de@tec> Thanks Tom The original head had major wear to the tape guides and was eating tapes. It is landfill somewhere now. Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Session > save the old head. They are relappable!! > > tom brucker > > At 10:45 AM 3/30/06 +1200, you wrote: >>Thanks Kermit >> >>The 600 is going beautifully now. New rec/play head (well .... made in >>1986 >>but just fitted!), new erase head, and full alignment. I need a new sound >>card for my laptop first before I can do the rip, so it may be a few weeks >>away before I get something up, but I will email it to you as well as the >>network. >> >>Thanks again for your comments. >> >>Regards >> >>Donald >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Kermit V. Gray" >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:26 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Session >> >> >>> Hi Donald, >>> >>> Donald Sangster wrote: >>>> I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert here in >>>> good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 which >>>> was >>>> refurbished last year. >>> >>> Hey hey, my favorite! >>> >>>> Mikes used were: >>>> 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors >>>> 1 Beyer 58 >>>> 1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). >>> >>> Outstanding rig! >>> >>> >>>> The mike setup was 1 metre placing from 4 people on guitars, voice and >>>> cello. The setup was used for sound reinforcement only, so close miking >>>> was not used, hence some nice room acoustics were picked up. >>>> The recorder did a lovely job on recycled TDK SA 90s, and when I have >>>> ripped it to CD, I will put a sample up on the site (if possible as an >>>> attachment). Mr moderator: is that possible? >>>> Its great doing a real recording! >>> >>> I'd love to hear that! My web site is eagerly available to you for >>> strwamin gyour recording as an example of what analog cassettes are >>> capable of, if Wouter would not rather have his server tied up. >>> >>> -- >>> Kermit Gray >>> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>> pro audio info! >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 31 06:05:21 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:05:21 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Message-ID: <442CAA81.3090304@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, >The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be >relative. >0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. Uh, unless things have changed, 0-dB or 0-VU on a tape recorder typically is defined as a specific level of fluxivity applied to the tape by the record head. For cassette decks, I've seen 0-VU defined variously as 165 nanoWeber per meter (nW/m) or 185 nW/m. Reel-to-reels use other fluxivity references. My B77 achieves 0.6 % THD at 0-VU, which for it at 15-ips is 256 nW/m reference fluxivity. > The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is >marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, >and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese >standard, >which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , >but >Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one >step >further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were >applied, so >Dolby level was at -3Vu. >Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex >standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu >in Pro gear non-relative. I believe Ampex standard operating level today is 200 nW/m, although in the past Ampex reference level was 250 nW/meter. I'll have to look it up to refresh my memory. Dolby adopted the Ampex reference level as a convenience. At preent, the IEC standard for level meters (IEC268-17) describes a standard volume indicator for audio. It sets the Reference Volume at 0Vu to be +4dBm (1.228 Vrms), in reference to 0.775Vrms for 0dBm or 0dBu. The IEC further defines the meter shall be calibrated in Vu, with a maximum value of +3Vu and a minimum value of -20Vu. Many cassette recorders with "dB" or "peak reading" meters (especially the bargraph types) adopted this standard or a slight variation thereof. Many studios still use VU meters, a specific device with specific meter ballistics. The Volume Unit refers to a meter's rise time (of an RMS sinusoidal stimulus covering a frequency range of 50 to 10,000 cps) such that the meter wil read 66% of the input level within 330 milliSeconds. Slow response times, but good for monitoring speech levels, such as those experienced by telephone exchanges (the guys who developed the standard a century ago) and radio broadcasters. Most modern studios use peak program meters or PPMs. These resemble VU meters but have very different ballistics that allow for much tighter control of peaks. 0 dBv is indeed 1.77v into 600 ohms, whereas most older pro gear and many newer pieces used the reference 0 dBm, where 0 dB is referred to 1 milliwatt owr into 600 ohms. Confusingly, audio level in pro gear has historically been measured in dBm (deciBel milliwatt) where 0dBm is defined as a load of 600 0hms dissipating one milliwatt of power, resulting in a voltage across the load is 0.775 Vrms. Most newer audio equipent has very low source impedances, so the output levels are measured in dBu where 0dBu is defined as a voltage of 0.775 Vrms across unspecified load impedance, typically taken as either 10,000 ohms or 47,000 ohms bridging. dBu is often confused with dBv, which actually isn't used very often in most spec sheets. Makes you want to stay home and listen to the player piano instead, doesn't it? (Joking). -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Mar 31 06:49:03 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:49:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Message-ID: Dear Tom! All the cassettes, recorded during 90 and till 2004, when I received my gifted Dragon, was always guarded at home...NO hot/humid etc... that I check yesterday continued...sound Muffled...when I specially record the same Cd again this time with my lovely Dragon...such difference!!!!! Can't try playing my yesterday recorded with my Dragon with the Kenwood...as the Kenwood I gave to one of my sons...! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX7 meters >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:33:21 -0600 > >Car tapes are heated in the summer, and heat causes self erasure of high >frequencies. True CrO2 tapes were almost immune to self erasure. > >tom brucker > >At 01:25 PM 3/30/06 +0100, you wrote: > >Tell that to Nakamichi when they made their 600! > > > >I think a few people may not entirely agree with you, at least not to the > >degree that you could accept "Muffled" sound from a two head machine when > >played back in a three head. Perhaps your tapes have suffered from > >sunlight/damp over the years, some of mine that were left in the car > >certainly have. > > > >Shaun > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf > >Of Alex Cozac > >Sent: 30 March 2006 11:36 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters > > > > > >Hi Derrick! > > > >You wrote... Some of the tapes I made > >>on my old Kenwood deck (solid deck, but not spectacular) sounded > >>amazing. > > > >With my Kenwood form the earlier 90ties KR-5010...it's NO true! Trough my > >Dragon, NR OFF (Also with the Kenwood was recorded NR OFF!), the sound >using > > > >listening the recorded TDK SA-100-X on the Kenwood...sound so >"Muffled"....& > > > >the Kenwood was 100% calibrated...so is my gifted Dragon...two heads > >(Kenwood), never...never...can sound as a 3 heads Nak! Sorry Derrick!!! > > > >Cheers, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ddino77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 31 07:09:50 2006 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:09:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Offtopic: Reel to reels (Revox vs. Otari) Message-ID: <410-2200635315950713@earthlink.net> Hi. Kermit. I have the oportunity of getting either a Studer A80 or an A810. Both were prior studio 2 trck, 2 channel and have been completely checked out with like new heads. Cosemeticaly pretty clean, the A810 includes a roll cart with wood side panels and asking price of $750-$900 each. Either way, which do you prefer as a nice addition to my collection, for home recording use and why. I ask because your previous resoponse was well put. thanks dd > [Original Message] > From: Kermit V. Gray > To: Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: 3/30/2006 7:16:56 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Offtopic: Reel to reels (Revox vs. Otari) > > Hi Thomas. > > Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA) wrote: > > Sorry to be off topic again... But how does a Revox A77 compare to an > > OTARI MX-5050BII-2? > > > > It doesn't. The Revox A77 is excellent but it's a home stereo deck. The > Otari is a fully professional 15-ips studio deck, superior in every > aspect (sonically and mechanically) to the Revox A77. > > I've owned both. > > I used the A77 in my location work because it had very good sound and > because, I hate to admit, it was expendable. I had several A77 stolen or > damaged on location over the years. The A77 is a bit fragile, the brake > system is no bleeping good, and it is a bench queen (it need constant > tweaking an maintenance). The meters are too small and overdamped (only > the deck's high headroom saves you from otherwise worthless meters), the > tape lifter is horrible (because it lets the tape slap the head during > stop and fast wind), and it has too many internal connectors. The > contant speed system uses a 2N3055 transistor that it burns out > regularly because the heat sink is too small. The brightwork is > pitifully made and breaks off too easily. The power/speed switch is > flimsy and breaks easily. > > BUT the A77 has pro-quality sound and for a home stereo deck it gives > the average person a level of quality they'd otherwise never have the > opportunity to enjoy! > > A Otari MX-5050 Mk. II was my B Room master deck for years. Open, quite > detailed sound with a good sense of air, ruggedly built, with good > reliability -- a true workhorse. I preferred it to the excellent and > flawless-sounding Studer B67 because it was half the price, sounded just > as good and was nowhere as touchy as the B67 to keep properly biased and > aligned. It was good enough to master a commercially released album, but > my main use for it was editing and recording tapes for broadcast, plus > recording demos and rehearsals. (Of course the A Room machines were > Scully, Ampex 350 and Studer A80; and a comparison to the Otari is unfair.) > > I'd encourage you to either grab the Otari or have yourself committed to > the insane asylum for passing it up (joking). > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Fri Mar 31 11:51:31 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:51:31 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Axent Audio Message-ID: <004c01c654a8$b04e53c0$0201a8c0@lan> Just be wary of Axent Audio... my initial experience was good, but subsequently sour... After Donald's happy experiences, I gave them my 582Z for service... (sticky pinch rollers, and dead 400Hz cal tone)....and received it back fully functional after about 6 weeks and very happy with the work, ..( though was to later redevelop the 400hz cal tone fault). I then gave them my 680ZX to repair, but It is now over 7 months and there has been no action on the repair ( I gave them 3 months before enquiring as to status, which I thought was reasonable). During my subsequent enquiries, they state they have contracted it out (my 582Z was done in house apparently). In conversations with the staff there, they claim to be getting out of servicing cassette decks as it was too much trouble ( yet there were 2 LX3's, a 700, and 1000 visible from the counter!!) . What is extremely frustrating is that I am now having such a devil's own job of retrieving my unit, and they are not being particulalry helpful. One cannot help but be suspicious... I actually suspect they have 'lost' it :o( . Meantime I was put onto another repair shop by the NZ Pioneer agents, so chanced my 682ZX. Had it back within a week, fully functional, new belts etc, and now enjoying it immensly. Given the turn around time and quality of the work on the 682, hence my desire to extract my 680ZX. Incidently, I had a chat with the only NZ based Nakamichi trained audio tech, which at least assured me that my new found repair agent was a good'un. Please don't consider this a 'bag' of Axent, as others experiences may be better.... just I will not use them ever again. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Fri Mar 31 14:24:54 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:24:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session In-Reply-To: References: <016d01c6512b$c02a7790$d34e98de@tec> <442B0986.50408@woods-and-waters.com> <3.0.3.32.20060330153322.0081c2b0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <442D1F96.7080302@snet.net> Jeff Galin at ESL is able to relap heads. As I recall, he has the hardware in house. Ed Jon Ochi wrote: > Tom, > > Where can one get a Nak 600 head relapped? > > Jon > > > > On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Hi Tech wrote: > >> save the old head. They are relappable!! >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 10:45 AM 3/30/06 +1200, you wrote: >> >>> Thanks Kermit >>> >>> The 600 is going beautifully now. New rec/play head (well .... made >>> in 1986 >>> but just fitted!), new erase head, and full alignment. I need a new >>> sound >>> card for my laptop first before I can do the rip, so it may be a >>> few weeks >>> away before I get something up, but I will email it to you as well >>> as the >>> network. >>> >>> Thanks again for your comments. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Donald >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kermit V. Gray" >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:26 AM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Session >>> >>> >>>> Hi Donald, >>>> >>>> Donald Sangster wrote: >>>> >>>>> I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert >>>>> here in >>>>> good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 >>>>> which was >>>>> refurbished last year. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey hey, my favorite! >>>> >>>>> Mikes used were: >>>>> 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors >>>>> 1 Beyer 58 >>>>> 1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). >>>> >>>> >>>> Outstanding rig! >>>> >>>> >>>>> The mike setup was 1 metre placing from 4 people on guitars, >>>>> voice and >>>>> cello. The setup was used for sound reinforcement only, so close >>>>> miking >>>>> was not used, hence some nice room acoustics were picked up. >>>>> The recorder did a lovely job on recycled TDK SA 90s, and when I >>>>> have >>>>> ripped it to CD, I will put a sample up on the site (if possible >>>>> as an >>>>> attachment). Mr moderator: is that possible? >>>>> Its great doing a real recording! >>>> >>>> >>>> I'd love to hear that! My web site is eagerly available to you for >>>> strwamin gyour recording as an example of what analog cassettes are >>>> capable of, if Wouter would not rather have his server tied up. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kermit Gray >>>> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for >>>> recording and >>>> pro audio info! >>>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 31 16:46:52 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:46:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Session In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20060330153322.0081c2b0@earthlink.net> <016d01c6512b$c02a7790$d34e98de@tec> <442B0986.50408@woods-and-waters.com> <3.0.3.32.20060330153322.0081c2b0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060331084652.008184a0@earthlink.net> I can do it. I suspect there are other former Nak trained techs still in business. The training was part of Nakamichi factory service in 1978-79. Relapping is only possible in heads with deep pole pieces and no tape guide, like the Naks. WHen you get a groove deep enough to catch a fingernail, or your extreme top end rolls abit, it is time for a relap. Unfortunately, the head must come with a deck, because a full alignment is required. Save your old head in a baggie for the next time. tom brucker At 04:00 PM 3/30/06 -0700, you wrote: >Tom, > >Where can one get a Nak 600 head relapped? > >Jon > > > >On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Hi Tech wrote: > >> save the old head. They are relappable!! >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 10:45 AM 3/30/06 +1200, you wrote: >>> Thanks Kermit >>> >>> The 600 is going beautifully now. New rec/play head (well .... >>> made in 1986 >>> but just fitted!), new erase head, and full alignment. I need a >>> new sound >>> card for my laptop first before I can do the rip, so it may be a >>> few weeks >>> away before I get something up, but I will email it to you as well >>> as the >>> network. >>> >>> Thanks again for your comments. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Donald >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kermit V. Gray" >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:26 AM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Session >>> >>> >>>> Hi Donald, >>>> >>>> Donald Sangster wrote: >>>>> I had the opportunity on Saturday night to mix a folk concert >>>>> here in >>>>> good old NZ, and was able to take a live feed onto the Nak 600 >>>>> which was >>>>> refurbished last year. >>>> >>>> Hey hey, my favorite! >>>> >>>>> Mikes used were: >>>>> 2 Calrec 1050C pencil condensors >>>>> 1 Beyer 58 >>>>> 1 instrument condensor attached to a dulcimer (mike type unknown). >>>> >>>> Outstanding rig! >>>> >>>> >>>>> The mike setup was 1 metre placing from 4 people on guitars, >>>>> voice and >>>>> cello. The setup was used for sound reinforcement only, so close >>>>> miking >>>>> was not used, hence some nice room acoustics were picked up. >>>>> The recorder did a lovely job on recycled TDK SA 90s, and when >>>>> I have >>>>> ripped it to CD, I will put a sample up on the site (if possible >>>>> as an >>>>> attachment). Mr moderator: is that possible? >>>>> Its great doing a real recording! >>>> >>>> I'd love to hear that! My web site is eagerly available to you for >>>> strwamin gyour recording as an example of what analog cassettes are >>>> capable of, if Wouter would not rather have his server tied up. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kermit Gray >>>> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for >>>> recording and >>>> pro audio info! >>>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 31 16:57:53 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:57:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060331085753.00819d70@earthlink.net> An easy azimuth check is to play the tape, listen to the treble, and then push the mono button. If the high frequencies drop at all, then you have a tape recorded with incorrect azimuth. With a 3 head nak like the 580 /680, the right hand white headwheel is play azimuth. Record a metal reference tape with 2 minutes each of 1kHz, 15kHz, 18kHz , 20 kHz at -20 Vu starting at the middle of the tape pack. Use a Denon or other test cd as a signal source. Then with the muffled tape in the Nak, put the amplifier in mono, and adjust the right hand wheel for best treble. Do not turn more than 1/2 turn either direction. When you want to return to standard, put in your reference tape, and perform the readjustment. If azimuth is not the problem, compare left channel sound to right. Level drops or muffled left channel are signs of incorrect head zenith or guide height adjustments. Every once in a while I see a typical head guide bent. A nak jig or Information Terminal M100 gauge are the only way to check bent guides. Zenith is really hard to judge and set without the Nak gauges. tom brrucker At 04:49 AM 3/31/06 +0000, Alex Cozac wrote: >Dear Tom! > >All the cassettes, recorded during 90 and till 2004, when I received my >gifted Dragon, was always guarded at home...NO hot/humid etc... that I check >yesterday continued...sound Muffled...when I specially record the same Cd >again this time with my lovely Dragon...such difference!!!!! Can't try >playing my yesterday recorded with my Dragon with the Kenwood...as the >Kenwood I gave to one of my sons...! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Hi Tech >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX7 meters >>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:33:21 -0600 >> >>Car tapes are heated in the summer, and heat causes self erasure of high >>frequencies. True CrO2 tapes were almost immune to self erasure. >> >>tom brucker >> >>At 01:25 PM 3/30/06 +0100, you wrote: >> >Tell that to Nakamichi when they made their 600! >> > >> >I think a few people may not entirely agree with you, at least not to the >> >degree that you could accept "Muffled" sound from a two head machine when >> >played back in a three head. Perhaps your tapes have suffered from >> >sunlight/damp over the years, some of mine that were left in the car >> >certainly have. >> > >> >Shaun >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>Behalf >> >Of Alex Cozac >> >Sent: 30 March 2006 11:36 >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters >> > >> > >> >Hi Derrick! >> > >> >You wrote... Some of the tapes I made >> >>on my old Kenwood deck (solid deck, but not spectacular) sounded >> >>amazing. >> > >> >With my Kenwood form the earlier 90ties KR-5010...it's NO true! Trough my >> >Dragon, NR OFF (Also with the Kenwood was recorded NR OFF!), the sound >>using >> > >> >listening the recorded TDK SA-100-X on the Kenwood...sound so >>"Muffled"....& >> > >> >the Kenwood was 100% calibrated...so is my gifted Dragon...two heads >> >(Kenwood), never...never...can sound as a 3 heads Nak! Sorry Derrick!!! >> > >> >Cheers, >> > >> >ALEX! >> > >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 31 17:08:58 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:08:58 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <442CAA81.3090304@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060331090858.008198a0@earthlink.net> Kermit, All the info you provided is correct for Pro machines. Japanese consumer stuff was all non-standard! To properly align cassette decks, you had to look in the service manual at the spec for 0Vu. What I did was to always use the Dolby Standard level and align to the symbol on the meters. The Nakamichi 0Vu was Dolby standard, but it stood almost alone in this. Dolby level was never Ampex level. IEC and JIS all had standards, but the odd thing is, a common test tape made by TDK and adopted by Teac, matched none of the existing standards. Crappy consumer meters have never claimed to match Pro VU meter specs. Even the LED types are more light shows than real meters. What matters most is peak values, and the point at which your deck saturates. I know it seems strange that cassette decks depart from tape alignemnt standards, but you have to remember that Philips patented this low fi format, Dolby made it mid fi, and Nakamichi took it Hi Fi. No one imagined at the beginning that 20-20k +-3dB , 56dB s/n and 0.06% w/f would EVER be realized, so who cared what reference level they used. tom brucker At 10:05 PM 3/30/06 -0600, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >Hi Tom, > > >The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be >relative. > >0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. > >Uh, unless things have changed, 0-dB or 0-VU on a tape recorder >typically is defined as a specific level of fluxivity applied to the >tape by the record head. For cassette decks, I've seen 0-VU defined >variously as 165 nanoWeber per meter (nW/m) or 185 nW/m. Reel-to-reels >use other fluxivity references. My B77 achieves 0.6 % THD at 0-VU, which >for it at 15-ips is 256 nW/m reference fluxivity. > > > The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is > >marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, > >and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese >standard, > >which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , >but > >Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one > >step > >further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were > >applied, so > >Dolby level was at -3Vu. > > >Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex > >standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu > >in Pro gear non-relative. > >I believe Ampex standard operating level today is 200 nW/m, although in >the past Ampex reference level was 250 nW/meter. I'll have to look it up >to refresh my memory. Dolby adopted the Ampex reference level as a >convenience. > >At preent, the IEC standard for level meters (IEC268-17) describes a >standard volume indicator for audio. It sets the Reference Volume at 0Vu >to be +4dBm (1.228 Vrms), in reference to 0.775Vrms for 0dBm or 0dBu. >The IEC further defines the meter shall be calibrated in Vu, with a >maximum value of +3Vu and a minimum value of -20Vu. Many cassette >recorders with "dB" or "peak reading" meters (especially the bargraph >types) adopted this standard or a slight variation thereof. > >Many studios still use VU meters, a specific device with specific meter >ballistics. The Volume Unit refers to a meter's rise time (of an RMS >sinusoidal stimulus covering a frequency range of 50 to 10,000 cps) such >that the meter wil read 66% of the input level within 330 milliSeconds. >Slow response times, but good for monitoring speech levels, such as >those experienced by telephone exchanges (the guys who developed the >standard a century ago) and radio broadcasters. > >Most modern studios use peak program meters or PPMs. These resemble VU >meters but have very different ballistics that allow for much tighter >control of peaks. > >0 dBv is indeed 1.77v into 600 ohms, whereas most older pro gear and >many newer pieces used the reference 0 dBm, where 0 dB is referred to 1 >milliwatt owr into 600 ohms. > >Confusingly, audio level in pro gear has historically been measured in >dBm (deciBel milliwatt) where 0dBm is defined as a load of 600 0hms >dissipating one milliwatt of power, resulting in a voltage across the >load is 0.775 Vrms. Most newer audio equipent has very low source >impedances, so the output levels are measured in dBu where 0dBu is >defined as a voltage of 0.775 Vrms across unspecified load impedance, >typically taken as either 10,000 ohms or 47,000 ohms bridging. dBu is >often confused with dBv, which actually isn't used very often in most >spec sheets. > >Makes you want to stay home and listen to the player piano instead, >doesn't it? (Joking). > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rob at rhoag.com Fri Mar 31 17:15:54 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:15:54 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <442CAA81.3090304@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Another good explination, thanks Kermit! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:05 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Hi Tom, >The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be >relative. >0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. Uh, unless things have changed, 0-dB or 0-VU on a tape recorder typically is defined as a specific level of fluxivity applied to the tape by the record head. For cassette decks, I've seen 0-VU defined variously as 165 nanoWeber per meter (nW/m) or 185 nW/m. Reel-to-reels use other fluxivity references. My B77 achieves 0.6 % THD at 0-VU, which for it at 15-ips is 256 nW/m reference fluxivity. > The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is >marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, >and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese >standard, >which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , >but >Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one >step >further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were >applied, so >Dolby level was at -3Vu. >Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex >standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu >in Pro gear non-relative. I believe Ampex standard operating level today is 200 nW/m, although in the past Ampex reference level was 250 nW/meter. I'll have to look it up to refresh my memory. Dolby adopted the Ampex reference level as a convenience. At preent, the IEC standard for level meters (IEC268-17) describes a standard volume indicator for audio. It sets the Reference Volume at 0Vu to be +4dBm (1.228 Vrms), in reference to 0.775Vrms for 0dBm or 0dBu. The IEC further defines the meter shall be calibrated in Vu, with a maximum value of +3Vu and a minimum value of -20Vu. Many cassette recorders with "dB" or "peak reading" meters (especially the bargraph types) adopted this standard or a slight variation thereof. Many studios still use VU meters, a specific device with specific meter ballistics. The Volume Unit refers to a meter's rise time (of an RMS sinusoidal stimulus covering a frequency range of 50 to 10,000 cps) such that the meter wil read 66% of the input level within 330 milliSeconds. Slow response times, but good for monitoring speech levels, such as those experienced by telephone exchanges (the guys who developed the standard a century ago) and radio broadcasters. Most modern studios use peak program meters or PPMs. These resemble VU meters but have very different ballistics that allow for much tighter control of peaks. 0 dBv is indeed 1.77v into 600 ohms, whereas most older pro gear and many newer pieces used the reference 0 dBm, where 0 dB is referred to 1 milliwatt owr into 600 ohms. Confusingly, audio level in pro gear has historically been measured in dBm (deciBel milliwatt) where 0dBm is defined as a load of 600 0hms dissipating one milliwatt of power, resulting in a voltage across the load is 0.775 Vrms. Most newer audio equipent has very low source impedances, so the output levels are measured in dBu where 0dBu is defined as a voltage of 0.775 Vrms across unspecified load impedance, typically taken as either 10,000 ohms or 47,000 ohms bridging. dBu is often confused with dBv, which actually isn't used very often in most spec sheets. Makes you want to stay home and listen to the player piano instead, doesn't it? (Joking). -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Fri Mar 31 17:29:15 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:29:15 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Noisy capstan motor on my CR-7A In-Reply-To: <442C502A.4030600@rcn.com> References: <14625277937.20060330232605@kharkov.ua> <442C502A.4030600@rcn.com> Message-ID: <732347109.20060331182915@kharkov.ua> Thank you Ron, The easy way did not help. I think I need to go the longer way now. How do I remove the capstan/flywheel from its place on the tape transport assembly? I guess the capstan bearings are pressed in. Do I need to apply force to remove the capstan/flywheel? If so, where should I press - on the capstan needle or on the brass bearing if I do it from the front. Or, alternatively, maybe I should pull the flywheel by hand from the back? Could you give my more detail on how to remove the capstan/flywheel. I suppose after I remove it I should have easy access to the rear bearing as well. BTW when I did the inspection of the back plate instead of seeing some grease in that central holder (can't remember where I got this picture from): http://www.mgallery.kharkov.ua/SankyoMotorFrontAnn.jpg I found that it is empty and I can see a white plastic stopper on the bottom of the holder. Sergei Friday, March 31, 2006, 12:39:54 AM, you wrote: R> I think your diagnosis is close. Try to lubricate R> the casptan bearing. The easy way is to do it from R> the front: place the deck on its back and pull the R> washer at the base of the capstan up. Then, put a R> drop of light machine oil onto the capstan base. R> Try not to let the oil get any higher than absolutely R> necessary. Work the capstan up and down and add oil, R> to let it seep all the way to the other side of the R> bearing. When done, fully clean the capstan from any R> oil (I use MEK, but sparingly, with much ventilation. R> It can be dangerous). R> The longer way is to remove the capstan/flywheel from R> the back and lubricate the bearing with light machine R> oil. Then, replace the capstan and clean thoroughly. R> Put a dab of light grease on the back end before R> re-installing the back plate. I do this once every 2 R> or 3 years. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Mar 31 18:21:08 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:21:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 meters Message-ID: Dear Tom! You complicate my already very complicate life!!!! Doesn't matter me anymore...as with my lovely "Untouched" Dragon all is 100% correctly aligned. Tapes (Today I use Fuji Z-2 90 minutes), recorded with my Dragon...sound so lovely at +5db (Maximum level of course!!!), that the "Muffed" Kenwood recorded cassettes, I will give to my son...as trough the Kenwood sound well. Cheers, ALEX! >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX7 meters >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:57:53 -0600 > >An easy azimuth check is to play the tape, listen to the treble, and then >push the mono button. If the high frequencies drop at all, then you have a >tape recorded with incorrect azimuth. With a 3 head nak like the 580 /680, >the right hand white headwheel is play azimuth. Record a metal reference >tape with 2 minutes each of 1kHz, 15kHz, 18kHz , 20 kHz at -20 Vu >starting at the middle of the tape pack. Use a Denon or other test cd as a >signal source. >Then with the muffled tape in the Nak, put the amplifier in mono, and >adjust the right hand wheel for best treble. Do not turn more than 1/2 turn >either direction. > When you want to return to standard, put in your reference tape, and >perform the readjustment. > If azimuth is not the problem, compare left channel sound to right. >Level drops or muffled left channel are signs of incorrect head zenith or >guide height adjustments. Every once in a while I see a typical head guide >bent. A nak jig or Information Terminal M100 gauge are the only way to >check bent guides. Zenith is really hard to judge and set without the Nak >gauges. > >tom brrucker > > > > At 04:49 AM 3/31/06 +0000, Alex Cozac wrote: > >Dear Tom! > > > >All the cassettes, recorded during 90 and till 2004, when I received my > >gifted Dragon, was always guarded at home...NO hot/humid etc... that I >check > >yesterday continued...sound Muffled...when I specially record the same Cd > >again this time with my lovely Dragon...such difference!!!!! Can't try > >playing my yesterday recorded with my Dragon with the Kenwood...as the > >Kenwood I gave to one of my sons...! > > > >Cheers, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Hi Tech > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX7 meters > >>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:33:21 -0600 > >> > >>Car tapes are heated in the summer, and heat causes self erasure of high > >>frequencies. True CrO2 tapes were almost immune to self erasure. > >> > >>tom brucker > >> > >>At 01:25 PM 3/30/06 +0100, you wrote: > >> >Tell that to Nakamichi when they made their 600! > >> > > >> >I think a few people may not entirely agree with you, at least not to >the > >> >degree that you could accept "Muffled" sound from a two head machine >when > >> >played back in a three head. Perhaps your tapes have suffered from > >> >sunlight/damp over the years, some of mine that were left in the car > >> >certainly have. > >> > > >> >Shaun > >> > > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > >>Behalf > >> >Of Alex Cozac > >> >Sent: 30 March 2006 11:36 > >> >To: naktalk at naks.com > >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi Derrick! > >> > > >> >You wrote... Some of the tapes I made > >> >>on my old Kenwood deck (solid deck, but not spectacular) sounded > >> >>amazing. > >> > > >> >With my Kenwood form the earlier 90ties KR-5010...it's NO true! Trough >my > >> >Dragon, NR OFF (Also with the Kenwood was recorded NR OFF!), the sound > >>using > >> > > >> >listening the recorded TDK SA-100-X on the Kenwood...sound so > >>"Muffled"....& > >> > > >> >the Kenwood was 100% calibrated...so is my gifted Dragon...two heads > >> >(Kenwood), never...never...can sound as a 3 heads Nak! Sorry >Derrick!!! > >> > > >> >Cheers, > >> > > >> >ALEX! > >> > > >> > > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >>Tom Brucker CSM > >>Hi Tech Service > >>2934 Nolensville Rd. > >>Nashville, TN 37211 > >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Fri Mar 31 19:29:22 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:29:22 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060331090858.008198a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Again, more interesting info. Like I said, I found the Nakamichi recommendations for peak level settings on my ZX7 to work great, and I also found that they were actually being conservative in what the deck is capible of while recording, though I am talking about listening tests only, not actually measuring the distortion at higher then recommended settings, so I stuck with their +5max for type II Chrome and +8 max for type III metal recommendation. Maybe one of the reasons I could actaully record at higher levels (audibly) was because of improvements in tape technology over the years after the ZX7 came out... It might be interesting to take a ZX7 today and see what actual peak recording levels are possible using the best quality cassette tape today. I'll bet it is higher then what they suggested back in the 80's However, I'm not sure there would be any advantage in it as the S/N with Dolby C at the Nak recommended settings is so good already that there is no noise to worry about. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:09 AM To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] Kermit, All the info you provided is correct for Pro machines. Japanese consumer stuff was all non-standard! To properly align cassette decks, you had to look in the service manual at the spec for 0Vu. What I did was to always use the Dolby Standard level and align to the symbol on the meters. The Nakamichi 0Vu was Dolby standard, but it stood almost alone in this. Dolby level was never Ampex level. IEC and JIS all had standards, but the odd thing is, a common test tape made by TDK and adopted by Teac, matched none of the existing standards. Crappy consumer meters have never claimed to match Pro VU meter specs. Even the LED types are more light shows than real meters. What matters most is peak values, and the point at which your deck saturates. I know it seems strange that cassette decks depart from tape alignemnt standards, but you have to remember that Philips patented this low fi format, Dolby made it mid fi, and Nakamichi took it Hi Fi. No one imagined at the beginning that 20-20k +-3dB , 56dB s/n and 0.06% w/f would EVER be realized, so who cared what reference level they used. tom brucker At 10:05 PM 3/30/06 -0600, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >Hi Tom, > > >The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be >relative. > >0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. > >Uh, unless things have changed, 0-dB or 0-VU on a tape recorder >typically is defined as a specific level of fluxivity applied to the >tape by the record head. For cassette decks, I've seen 0-VU defined >variously as 165 nanoWeber per meter (nW/m) or 185 nW/m. Reel-to-reels >use other fluxivity references. My B77 achieves 0.6 % THD at 0-VU, which >for it at 15-ips is 256 nW/m reference fluxivity. > > > The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is > >marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, > >and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese >standard, > >which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , >but > >Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one > >step > >further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were > >applied, so > >Dolby level was at -3Vu. > > >Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex > >standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu > >in Pro gear non-relative. > >I believe Ampex standard operating level today is 200 nW/m, although in >the past Ampex reference level was 250 nW/meter. I'll have to look it up >to refresh my memory. Dolby adopted the Ampex reference level as a >convenience. > >At preent, the IEC standard for level meters (IEC268-17) describes a >standard volume indicator for audio. It sets the Reference Volume at 0Vu >to be +4dBm (1.228 Vrms), in reference to 0.775Vrms for 0dBm or 0dBu. >The IEC further defines the meter shall be calibrated in Vu, with a >maximum value of +3Vu and a minimum value of -20Vu. Many cassette >recorders with "dB" or "peak reading" meters (especially the bargraph >types) adopted this standard or a slight variation thereof. > >Many studios still use VU meters, a specific device with specific meter >ballistics. The Volume Unit refers to a meter's rise time (of an RMS >sinusoidal stimulus covering a frequency range of 50 to 10,000 cps) such >that the meter wil read 66% of the input level within 330 milliSeconds. >Slow response times, but good for monitoring speech levels, such as >those experienced by telephone exchanges (the guys who developed the >standard a century ago) and radio broadcasters. > >Most modern studios use peak program meters or PPMs. These resemble VU >meters but have very different ballistics that allow for much tighter >control of peaks. > >0 dBv is indeed 1.77v into 600 ohms, whereas most older pro gear and >many newer pieces used the reference 0 dBm, where 0 dB is referred to 1 >milliwatt owr into 600 ohms. > >Confusingly, audio level in pro gear has historically been measured in >dBm (deciBel milliwatt) where 0dBm is defined as a load of 600 0hms >dissipating one milliwatt of power, resulting in a voltage across the >load is 0.775 Vrms. Most newer audio equipent has very low source >impedances, so the output levels are measured in dBu where 0dBu is >defined as a voltage of 0.775 Vrms across unspecified load impedance, >typically taken as either 10,000 ohms or 47,000 ohms bridging. dBu is >often confused with dBv, which actually isn't used very often in most >spec sheets. > >Makes you want to stay home and listen to the player piano instead, >doesn't it? (Joking). > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 31 22:12:42 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:12:42 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20060331090858.008198a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060331141242.0081c860@earthlink.net> N.B. Dolby C compresses loud peaks a bit , so you can pound away at the levels. Cassettes are limited in their high frequency tape saturation. At high levels, the effect that gave rise to Dolby HX begins to self erase the his, even if the machine is capable of recording them. What I found to be more insidious is dynamic range compression of loud peaks. recording tape is actually non-linear. Bias centers the audio frequencies in the most linear "place", but loud signals push the record level to the non-liner part, and the signal compresses. Many listeners do not hear distortion, buy if you listen to dynamic contrasts, you will hear problems compared to the same programme recorded at a lower level. Again, experiment with your own deck and tape. Try recording a solo piano, and choose the seup (levels) that give the most dynamic playback. tom brucker At 09:29 AM 3/31/06 -0800, you wrote: > >Again, more interesting info. > >Like I said, I found the Nakamichi recommendations for peak level settings >on my ZX7 to work great, and I also found that they were actually being >conservative in what the deck is capible of while recording, though I am >talking about listening tests only, not actually measuring the distortion at >higher then recommended settings, so I stuck with their +5max for type II >Chrome and +8 max for type III metal recommendation. > >Maybe one of the reasons I could actaully record at higher levels (audibly) >was because of improvements in tape technology over the years after the ZX7 >came out... It might be interesting to take a ZX7 today and see what actual >peak recording levels are possible using the best quality cassette tape >today. I'll bet it is higher then what they suggested back in the 80's >However, I'm not sure there would be any advantage in it as the S/N with >Dolby C at the Nak recommended settings is so good already that there is no >noise to worry about. > >Doane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Hi Tech >Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:09 AM >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; >Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > >Kermit, > All the info you provided is correct for Pro machines. Japanese consumer >stuff was all non-standard! To properly align cassette decks, you had to >look in the service manual at the spec for 0Vu. What I did was to always >use the Dolby Standard level and align to the symbol on the meters. The >Nakamichi 0Vu was Dolby standard, but it stood almost alone in this. Dolby >level was never Ampex level. IEC and JIS all had standards, but the odd >thing is, a common test tape made by TDK and adopted by Teac, matched none >of the existing standards. > Crappy consumer meters have never claimed to match Pro VU meter specs. >Even the LED types are more light shows than real meters. What matters most >is peak values, and the point at which your deck saturates. > I know it seems strange that cassette decks depart from tape alignemnt >standards, but you have to remember that Philips patented this low fi >format, Dolby made it mid fi, and Nakamichi took it Hi Fi. No one imagined >at the beginning that 20-20k +-3dB , 56dB s/n and 0.06% w/f would EVER be >realized, so who cared what reference level they used. > >tom brucker > >At 10:05 PM 3/30/06 -0600, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>Hi Tom, >> >> >The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be >>relative. >> >0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. >> >>Uh, unless things have changed, 0-dB or 0-VU on a tape recorder >>typically is defined as a specific level of fluxivity applied to the >>tape by the record head. For cassette decks, I've seen 0-VU defined >>variously as 165 nanoWeber per meter (nW/m) or 185 nW/m. Reel-to-reels >>use other fluxivity references. My B77 achieves 0.6 % THD at 0-VU, which >>for it at 15-ips is 256 nW/m reference fluxivity. >> >> > The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is >> >marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, >> >and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese >standard, >> >which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , >but >> >Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one >> >step >> >further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were >> >applied, so >> >Dolby level was at -3Vu. >> >> >Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex >> >standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu >> >in Pro gear non-relative. >> >>I believe Ampex standard operating level today is 200 nW/m, although in >>the past Ampex reference level was 250 nW/meter. I'll have to look it up >>to refresh my memory. Dolby adopted the Ampex reference level as a >>convenience. >> >>At preent, the IEC standard for level meters (IEC268-17) describes a >>standard volume indicator for audio. It sets the Reference Volume at 0Vu >>to be +4dBm (1.228 Vrms), in reference to 0.775Vrms for 0dBm or 0dBu. >>The IEC further defines the meter shall be calibrated in Vu, with a >>maximum value of +3Vu and a minimum value of -20Vu. Many cassette >>recorders with "dB" or "peak reading" meters (especially the bargraph >>types) adopted this standard or a slight variation thereof. >> >>Many studios still use VU meters, a specific device with specific meter >>ballistics. The Volume Unit refers to a meter's rise time (of an RMS >>sinusoidal stimulus covering a frequency range of 50 to 10,000 cps) such >>that the meter wil read 66% of the input level within 330 milliSeconds. >>Slow response times, but good for monitoring speech levels, such as >>those experienced by telephone exchanges (the guys who developed the >>standard a century ago) and radio broadcasters. >> >>Most modern studios use peak program meters or PPMs. These resemble VU >>meters but have very different ballistics that allow for much tighter >>control of peaks. >> >>0 dBv is indeed 1.77v into 600 ohms, whereas most older pro gear and >>many newer pieces used the reference 0 dBm, where 0 dB is referred to 1 >>milliwatt owr into 600 ohms. >> >>Confusingly, audio level in pro gear has historically been measured in >>dBm (deciBel milliwatt) where 0dBm is defined as a load of 600 0hms >>dissipating one milliwatt of power, resulting in a voltage across the >>load is 0.775 Vrms. Most newer audio equipent has very low source >>impedances, so the output levels are measured in dBu where 0dBu is >>defined as a voltage of 0.775 Vrms across unspecified load impedance, >>typically taken as either 10,000 ohms or 47,000 ohms bridging. dBu is >>often confused with dBv, which actually isn't used very often in most >>spec sheets. >> >>Makes you want to stay home and listen to the player piano instead, >>doesn't it? (Joking). >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>pro audio info! >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\doane1.vcf" >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 31 22:56:03 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:56:03 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442D9763.9040606@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, You've prompted me to do some recording tests at higher levels with my Naks out of curiosity. I'm very curious. I'll be using some old late-1970s tapes and some new tapes to see if the tape formulations make a difference. Keep in mind that I am, first and foremost, a professional in my approach to all things tape recorder. REGARDLESS of how the cassette deck calibrated its meters, I was trained to ensure that the peak levels were to be recorded at 0 dB, where 0 dB is defined as 165 nW/m fluxivity. Why? To ensure playability in all cassette decks and players, whether a cheapie mono player or a high end audiophile "superdeck." I've sometimes re-set the 0-dB point on the deck's meters to indicate 0 dB = 165 nW/m because of the lack of adherence to the de facto fluxivity standard. Doane Hoag wrote: > Again, more interesting info. > > Like I said, I found the Nakamichi recommendations for peak level settings > on my ZX7 to work great, and I also found that they were actually being > conservative in what the deck is capible of while recording, though I am > talking about listening tests only, not actually measuring the distortion at > higher then recommended settings, so I stuck with their +5max for type II > Chrome and +8 max for type III metal recommendation. > > Maybe one of the reasons I could actaully record at higher levels (audibly) > was because of improvements in tape technology over the years after the ZX7 > came out... It might be interesting to take a ZX7 today and see what actual > peak recording levels are possible using the best quality cassette tape > today. I'll bet it is higher then what they suggested back in the 80's > However, I'm not sure there would be any advantage in it as the S/N with > Dolby C at the Nak recommended settings is so good already that there is no > noise to worry about. > > Doane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:09 AM > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] > > > Kermit, > All the info you provided is correct for Pro machines. Japanese consumer > stuff was all non-standard! To properly align cassette decks, you had to > look in the service manual at the spec for 0Vu. What I did was to always > use the Dolby Standard level and align to the symbol on the meters. The > Nakamichi 0Vu was Dolby standard, but it stood almost alone in this. Dolby > level was never Ampex level. IEC and JIS all had standards, but the odd > thing is, a common test tape made by TDK and adopted by Teac, matched none > of the existing standards. > Crappy consumer meters have never claimed to match Pro VU meter specs. > Even the LED types are more light shows than real meters. What matters most > is peak values, and the point at which your deck saturates. > I know it seems strange that cassette decks depart from tape alignemnt > standards, but you have to remember that Philips patented this low fi > format, Dolby made it mid fi, and Nakamichi took it Hi Fi. No one imagined > at the beginning that 20-20k +-3dB , 56dB s/n and 0.06% w/f would EVER be > realized, so who cared what reference level they used. > > tom brucker > > At 10:05 PM 3/30/06 -0600, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >>Hi Tom, >> >> >>>The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be >> >>relative. >> >>>0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. >> >>Uh, unless things have changed, 0-dB or 0-VU on a tape recorder >>typically is defined as a specific level of fluxivity applied to the >>tape by the record head. For cassette decks, I've seen 0-VU defined >>variously as 165 nanoWeber per meter (nW/m) or 185 nW/m. Reel-to-reels >>use other fluxivity references. My B77 achieves 0.6 % THD at 0-VU, which >>for it at 15-ips is 256 nW/m reference fluxivity. >> >> >>> The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is >>>marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, >>>and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese >standard, >>>which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , >but >>>Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one >>>step >>>further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were >>>applied, so >>>Dolby level was at -3Vu. >> >>>Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex >>>standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu >>>in Pro gear non-relative. >> >>I believe Ampex standard operating level today is 200 nW/m, although in >>the past Ampex reference level was 250 nW/meter. I'll have to look it up >>to refresh my memory. Dolby adopted the Ampex reference level as a >>convenience. >> >>At preent, the IEC standard for level meters (IEC268-17) describes a >>standard volume indicator for audio. It sets the Reference Volume at 0Vu >>to be +4dBm (1.228 Vrms), in reference to 0.775Vrms for 0dBm or 0dBu. >>The IEC further defines the meter shall be calibrated in Vu, with a >>maximum value of +3Vu and a minimum value of -20Vu. Many cassette >>recorders with "dB" or "peak reading" meters (especially the bargraph >>types) adopted this standard or a slight variation thereof. >> >>Many studios still use VU meters, a specific device with specific meter >>ballistics. The Volume Unit refers to a meter's rise time (of an RMS >>sinusoidal stimulus covering a frequency range of 50 to 10,000 cps) such >>that the meter wil read 66% of the input level within 330 milliSeconds. >>Slow response times, but good for monitoring speech levels, such as >>those experienced by telephone exchanges (the guys who developed the >>standard a century ago) and radio broadcasters. >> >>Most modern studios use peak program meters or PPMs. These resemble VU >>meters but have very different ballistics that allow for much tighter >>control of peaks. >> >>0 dBv is indeed 1.77v into 600 ohms, whereas most older pro gear and >>many newer pieces used the reference 0 dBm, where 0 dB is referred to 1 >>milliwatt owr into 600 ohms. >> >>Confusingly, audio level in pro gear has historically been measured in >>dBm (deciBel milliwatt) where 0dBm is defined as a load of 600 0hms >>dissipating one milliwatt of power, resulting in a voltage across the >>load is 0.775 Vrms. Most newer audio equipent has very low source >>impedances, so the output levels are measured in dBu where 0dBu is >>defined as a voltage of 0.775 Vrms across unspecified load impedance, >>typically taken as either 10,000 ohms or 47,000 ohms bridging. dBu is >>often confused with dBv, which actually isn't used very often in most >>spec sheets. >> >>Makes you want to stay home and listen to the player piano instead, >>doesn't it? (Joking). >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>pro audio info! >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Mar 31 23:05:24 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:05:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! Message-ID: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> Hi Everybody, I've just pimped my CR-1 with gold output connectors. It is possible to buy an EXACT replacement, only you have to exchange the plastic red and white channel markings which is an easy job to do. Costs: 1.49 euro for a luxurious looking deck. Wouter From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Mar 31 23:20:59 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:20:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <442D9D3B.2010804@yahoo.ca> Where? Wouter Heijke a écrit : > Hi Everybody, > > I've just pimped my CR-1 with gold output connectors. > It is possible to buy an EXACT replacement, only you have to exchange > the plastic red and white channel markings which is an easy job to do. > Costs: 1.49 euro for a luxurious looking deck. > > Wouter From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 31 23:21:57 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:21:57 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 meters] In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060331090858.008198a0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060331090858.008198a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <442D9D75.1000509@woods-and-waters.com> Acxtually, when professionals make cassette masters the de facto standard to ensure that the peak levels are recorded at 0 dB, where 0 dB is defined as 165 nW/m fluxivity. This ensures playability in all cassette decks and players, whether a cheapie mono player or a high end audiophile "superdeck." Note that professional cassette decks, like the Arcam Delta, Ampex's short lived deck, Tascam and the Studer-Revox products follwo this definition of 0 dB. No doubt you're right and consumer decks don't always calibrate their meters to standard. This means they violate the standard, often to gain a perceived marketing advantage by being able to boast better signal-to-noise ratio, or greater headroom, or the ability to record at "high levels" than a competitor's product. This is a compelling reason to do controlled listening tests such as those I described earlier so that you know both what your deck is doing and is capable of doing. Dolby level is indeed Ampex level for reel-to-reels. I've owned Dolby A and SR units and was a Dolby licensed installer for many years. Dolby places heavy emphasis on maintaining the reference level exactly, both for compatibility among tapes and to ensure the encode/decode process works correctly. One reason studios enjoyed Dolby is that it forced everyone to use the same reference fluxivity standards, INCLUDING the reference level for cassettes. Let me repeat that. One reason studios enjoyed Dolby is that it forced everyone to use the same reference fluxivity standards, INCLUDING the reference level for CASSETTES. As far as the Dolby B and C reference levels for cassettes, I'd have to look those up to be certain, but I think it is 185 nW/m fluxivity. This is why cassette deck meters put the Double-D symbol on the meters to tell you where the reference level is. For best tracking, Dolby recommends you not exceed that level as indicated by the position of the Double-D. Dolby makes it a condition of their licensing for their NR units that the meter indicate exactly where the Dolby Reference Level is, regardless of how the manufacturer chooses to calibrate the meter. You can deduce how the manufacturer has decided to calibrate their meters by comparing how where the Doulbe-D symbol is in relation to the 0 dB point. By the way, I don't recall ever seeing a cassette deck fitted with a VU meter, even a pro cassette deck. Because of ther limited headroom cassette decks are fitted with dB meters, albeit some manufacturers' meters are next to useless. You're right, many bargraph meters are little more than light shows. That description fits my Bang & Olufsen's meters perfectly! Personally, I dislike bargraph meters. It's true that the convention is to align the cassette deck according to the manufactuer's definition of 0dB (not VU) as referencedi in the service manual. But this isn't mandatory. You can recalibrate the deck so it is in exact compliance with one of the standards. Should you? Probably not, but some decks do usually benefit from the recalibration, like Teac and Pioneer. Those in the cassette duplication business have been complaining for years about decks that violate standard and about test tapes that contradict the standards. I've heard good arguments made that the variances are a major tech problem with cassette decks. Calls for level standardization have fallen on the deaf ears of both the cassette deck manufacturers and the test tape makers! TDK has been making a behind the scenes power play to set a new cassette level standard. They were successful in getting Teac to go along with it. Why? Because it favors their tape formulations. In other words, the TDK standard makes TDK cassettes look better than competitors with regard to noise THD and maximum output level. Nice. The state of the cassette industry's Towr of Babel of nonstandard fluxivity levels is a pet peeve of mine. I appreciate getting the opportunity to air out my mind! Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > All the info you provided is correct for Pro machines. Japanese consumer > stuff was all non-standard! To properly align cassette decks, you had to > look in the service manual at the spec for 0Vu. What I did was to always > use the Dolby Standard level and align to the symbol on the meters. The > Nakamichi 0Vu was Dolby standard, but it stood almost alone in this. Dolby > level was never Ampex level. IEC and JIS all had standards, but the odd > thing is, a common test tape made by TDK and adopted by Teac, matched none > of the existing standards. > Crappy consumer meters have never claimed to match Pro VU meter specs. > Even the LED types are more light shows than real meters. What matters most > is peak values, and the point at which your deck saturates. > I know it seems strange that cassette decks depart from tape alignemnt > standards, but you have to remember that Philips patented this low fi > format, Dolby made it mid fi, and Nakamichi took it Hi Fi. No one imagined > at the beginning that 20-20k +-3dB , 56dB s/n and 0.06% w/f would EVER be > realized, so who cared what reference level they used. > > tom brucker > > At 10:05 PM 3/30/06 -0600, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >>Hi Tom, >> >> >>>The reason "Vu" meters are used is to allow the 0 reading to be >relative. >>>0 Vu is 1%thd at 1kHz, typically. >> >>Uh, unless things have changed, 0-dB or 0-VU on a tape recorder >>typically is defined as a specific level of fluxivity applied to the >>tape by the record head. For cassette decks, I've seen 0-VU defined >>variously as 165 nanoWeber per meter (nW/m) or 185 nW/m. Reel-to-reels >>use other fluxivity references. My B77 achieves 0.6 % THD at 0-VU, which >>for it at 15-ips is 256 nW/m reference fluxivity. >> >> >>> The ONLY cassette deck standard is Dolby operating level. It is >>>marked by the "double D" symbol on the meters, >>>and is set with a standard test cassette (not the TDK Japanese >standard, >>>which was about -1dB lower). On most decks Dolby level was at +3Vu , >but >>>Nak put it at 0Vu, giving the Naks a 3dB better s/n. Tandberg went one >>>step >>>further, placing peak reading Vu meters after Dolby and EQ were >>>applied, so >>>Dolby level was at -3Vu. >> >>>Volume Unit gets lost in pro gear, because output 0 dBV is Ampex >>>standard operating level 1.77v into 600 ohms. This reference makes Vu >>>in Pro gear non-relative. >> >>I believe Ampex standard operating level today is 200 nW/m, although in >>the past Ampex reference level was 250 nW/meter. I'll have to look it up >>to refresh my memory. Dolby adopted the Ampex reference level as a >>convenience. >> >>At preent, the IEC standard for level meters (IEC268-17) describes a >>standard volume indicator for audio. It sets the Reference Volume at 0Vu >>to be +4dBm (1.228 Vrms), in reference to 0.775Vrms for 0dBm or 0dBu. >>The IEC further defines the meter shall be calibrated in Vu, with a >>maximum value of +3Vu and a minimum value of -20Vu. Many cassette >>recorders with "dB" or "peak reading" meters (especially the bargraph >>types) adopted this standard or a slight variation thereof. >> >>Many studios still use VU meters, a specific device with specific meter >>ballistics. The Volume Unit refers to a meter's rise time (of an RMS >>sinusoidal stimulus covering a frequency range of 50 to 10,000 cps) such >>that the meter wil read 66% of the input level within 330 milliSeconds. >>Slow response times, but good for monitoring speech levels, such as >>those experienced by telephone exchanges (the guys who developed the >>standard a century ago) and radio broadcasters. >> >>Most modern studios use peak program meters or PPMs. These resemble VU >>meters but have very different ballistics that allow for much tighter >>control of peaks. >> >>0 dBv is indeed 1.77v into 600 ohms, whereas most older pro gear and >>many newer pieces used the reference 0 dBm, where 0 dB is referred to 1 >>milliwatt owr into 600 ohms. >> >>Confusingly, audio level in pro gear has historically been measured in >>dBm (deciBel milliwatt) where 0dBm is defined as a load of 600 0hms >>dissipating one milliwatt of power, resulting in a voltage across the >>load is 0.775 Vrms. Most newer audio equipent has very low source >>impedances, so the output levels are measured in dBu where 0dBu is >>defined as a voltage of 0.775 Vrms across unspecified load impedance, >>typically taken as either 10,000 ohms or 47,000 ohms bridging. dBu is >>often confused with dBv, which actually isn't used very often in most >>spec sheets. >> >>Makes you want to stay home and listen to the player piano instead, >>doesn't it? (Joking). >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>pro audio info! >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 31 23:24:03 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:24:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <442D9DF3.4030906@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Wouter, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I've just pimped my CR-1 with gold output connectors. > It is possible to buy an EXACT replacement, only you have to exchange > the plastic red and white channel markings which is an easy job to do. > Costs: 1.49 euro for a luxurious looking deck. VERY Cool! I wonder if this could be done with other models. I'd love to pimp my rides (my 500, 550, 600 and 600-II). Where did you get the connectors? Farnell? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Mar 31 23:41:04 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:41:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442D9DF3.4030906@woods-and-waters.com> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> <442D9DF3.4030906@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <442DA1F0.6090100@xs4all.nl> Well I got it from the Dutch Conrad site but their main site is www.conrad.de they have several European sites. The part number is 736910 but the uk site doesn't list it. Maybe with this someone can find a similar product on the Farnell site, I'll have a look this weekend. The older decks... well as much as a match as this one, if someone finds it i'm interested too! Another option is to dismantle the existing connector in the way I did in this one and only replace the actual connector part from this part... I'll see in my 500 for example if this is possible. Wouter Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > Wouter Heijke wrote: >> Hi Everybody, >> >> I've just pimped my CR-1 with gold output connectors. >> It is possible to buy an EXACT replacement, only you have to exchange >> the plastic red and white channel markings which is an easy job to do. >> Costs: 1.49 euro for a luxurious looking deck. > > VERY Cool! I wonder if this could be done with other models. I'd love > to pimp my rides (my 500, 550, 600 and 600-II). > > Where did you get the connectors? Farnell? > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Mar 31 23:43:42 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:43:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Offtopic: Reel to reels (Revox vs. Otari) In-Reply-To: <410-2200635315950713@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200635315950713@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <442DA28E.6020802@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Dan, Dan Dinhofer wrote: > > I have the oportunity of getting either a Studer A80 or an A810. Both were > prior studio 2 trck, 2 channel and > have been completely checked out with like new heads. Cosemeticaly pretty > clean, the A810 includes a roll cart with wood side panels > and asking price of $750-$900 each. Either way, which do you prefer as a > nice addition to my > collection, for home recording use and why. I ask because your previous > response was well put. thanks dd This is like splitting a split hair. I had the A80 Mk. II VU/K, which was a 1978 vintage machine. What can I say, the Studers are among the finest recorders ever made. If I had to make your choice, I'd have a tough choice. My instinct would be to buy the A810. That's a much newer machine so it should live longer. Compared to the A80, the A810 is a bit more rugged, a few dB quiter, it has lower THD and IMD and I believe Studer improved the control logic immensely. Sonically, the A80 has that 1970s Nashville sound, crisp detailed treble, flawless midrange and smooth linear bass that isn't punchy like the Ampexes. The A810's sound is more neutral with definitely better high frequency extensioin, especialy with the newest tapes, lower modulation noise (especially manifested in smoother cymbals and hig hhats) and improved phase reponse (manifested in improved spatial imaging. Keep in mind that when the A80 was manufactured the main "competition" was other analog decks made by Telefunken, Ampex, Scully, 3M, and so on. To compete Studer voiced the decks to be smoother-sounding and to address complaints people had with the other decks, liker Ampex's punchy bass that lacked detail, 3M's tape handling characteristics (the A80's library wind feature is wonderful!), or Scully's utter lack of automation and slightly-too-crisp treble, or Telefunken's vagueness in the midrange. In contrast, the A810's main "competition" was digital audio. So Studer had to find a way to compete, and they chose to make the sound more neutral (less colored), further improve the already-outstanding flutter-and-wow specs, and then squeeze every last drop of dynamic range out of the tape. Bring up the A810 among engineers and you'll spark a heated debate over which is the finest analog deck ever made -- the A810, Ampex ATR-100 Scully 100 or the 3M 79. My vote is that it's a tie between the Studer A810 and Scully 100, with the Studer having a better-handling transport and the Scully having ever-so-slighlty-better audio electronics, and both being equal in their flutter-and-wow (even though the Scully capstan motor is THE best capstan motor ever made for a tape deck of any kind; the A810's superior holdback tension system compared to Scully's brute force system makes up for its capstan motor). I'd definitely rate the A810 as just a bit superior to the Ampex ATR-100. Bottom line: if you want the best of vintage 1970s sound then get the A80. If you want to reach to the Apex of Analog Achievement then you want the A810. Me? I'm greedy. I'd get both. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Fri Mar 31 23:43:53 2006 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:43:53 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Axent Audio In-Reply-To: <004c01c654a8$b04e53c0$0201a8c0@lan> References: <004c01c654a8$b04e53c0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060401093835.05690c78@paradise.net.nz> Excellent post Martin...thank you. It seems that getting Nakamichi's serviced is as difficult as getting them in the first place! May I ask who the other repair shop is....are you saying that they have an authorised Nakamichi technician there? Many years ago when I had my CR-7 serviced it went to Peter Dobbs at Audiocraft. It was there for a few months but was serviced well. I don't think Audiocraft exist anymore...do you have any more info on this? All I want to do is get my machine fixed and short of sending it to the UK I'm having a hell of a job sorting it out!! Brett At 09:51 p.m. 31/03/2006, you wrote: >Just be wary of Axent Audio... my initial experience was good, but >subsequently sour... > >After Donald's happy experiences, I gave them my 582Z for service... >(sticky pinch rollers, and dead 400Hz cal tone)....and received it >back fully functional after about 6 weeks and very happy with the >work, ..( though was to later redevelop the 400hz cal tone fault). > >I then gave them my 680ZX to repair, but It is now over 7 months >and there has been no action on the repair ( I gave them 3 months >before enquiring as to status, which I thought was reasonable). >During my subsequent enquiries, they state they have contracted it >out (my 582Z was done in house apparently). In conversations with >the staff there, they claim to be getting out of servicing cassette >decks as it was too much trouble ( yet there were 2 LX3's, a 700, >and 1000 visible from the counter!!) . What is extremely frustrating >is that I am now having such a devil's own job of retrieving my >unit, and they are not being particulalry helpful. One cannot help >but be suspicious... I actually suspect they have 'lost' it :o( . > >Meantime I was put onto another repair shop by the NZ Pioneer >agents, so chanced my 682ZX. Had it back within a week, fully >functional, new belts etc, and now enjoying it immensly. Given the >turn around time and quality of the work on the 682, hence my desire >to extract my 680ZX. > >Incidently, I had a chat with the only NZ based Nakamichi trained >audio tech, which at least assured me that my new found repair >agent was a good'un. > >Please don't consider this a 'bag' of Axent, as others experiences >may be better.... just I will not use them ever again. > >Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Mar 31 23:54:46 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:54:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pimp your CR1/2 with gold output! In-Reply-To: <442DA1F0.6090100@xs4all.nl> References: <442D9994.1090509@xs4all.nl> <442D9DF3.4030906@woods-and-waters.com> <442DA1F0.6090100@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <442DA526.1010303@yahoo.ca> Oh, I don't think that this one is used on all decks. The BX-2 has one with two screws : One on the top right corner and one on the bottom left. Wouter Heijke a écrit : > Well I got it from the Dutch Conrad site but their main site is > www.conrad.de they have several European sites. > The part number is 736910 but the uk site doesn't list it. > Maybe with this someone can find a similar product on the Farnell > site, I'll have a look this weekend. > > The older decks... well as much as a match as this one, if someone > finds it i'm interested too! > Another option is to dismantle the existing connector in the way I did > in this one and only replace the actual connector part from this > part... I'll see in my 500 for example if this is possible. > > Wouter > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> Hi Wouter, >> >> Wouter Heijke wrote: >>> Hi Everybody, >>> >>> I've just pimped my CR-1 with gold output connectors. >>> It is possible to buy an EXACT replacement, only you have to >>> exchange the plastic red and white channel markings which is an easy >>> job to do. >>> Costs: 1.49 euro for a luxurious looking deck. >> >> VERY Cool! I wonder if this could be done with other models. I'd love >> to pimp my rides (my 500, 550, 600 and 600-II). >> >> Where did you get the connectors? Farnell? >> g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2006\2006-May.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon May 1 00:01:38 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 00:01:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs license In-Reply-To: <00b301c6672d$f35a79e0$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> References: <00b301c6672d$f35a79e0$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: <4DJVRMOH5ZV35Jsc5heEuaPXSJqg@4ax.com> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:30:47 -0400, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: >Or 65, 66, and 83 - the ASCII character values of B, C, and S :). Actually, >so long as Dolby isn't referenced, it might be OK to call them NRB, NRC, and >NRS or something like that. Register "DolbyBCS" as a trademark and use it! -Mikkel :) From paul_siuc at yahoo.com Mon May 1 05:29:56 2006 From: paul_siuc at yahoo.com (a rl) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480Z Issue Message-ID: <20060501032956.91920.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, First time Nak owner and poster! I recently purchased a used 480Z in nice cosmetic condition. I will be using it mainly to listen to tapes. The deck has one issue I've noticed so far. When I play a tape, at first it sounds very good; then, after a bit (the time varies), the highs and mids drop out of the mix and I'm left with a murky and muddled sound! When I press stop, and restart the tape, it immediately sound great again, only to have the same thing happen, often 5-10 times in a row! If I'm lucky, sometimes when I stop and restart the tape it'll play till the end of the side and sound good all the way through. Anyone have an idea what the problem is, and whether I can get it fixed? Thanks in advance for any help I receive.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon May 1 10:58:38 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 10:58:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z Issue Message-ID: Hi Paul, This is not a big worry. It's dirty, shiny, overly smooth pinch rollers that normally cause this. Remove the tape well door and clean both pinch rollers and capstans with a moistened cotton bud. Rub the cotton tip gently across the pinch roller tyre, rotating it it as you go along. Take your time to do this and do the same thing for the capstan shafts, concentrating on the part of the shaft that aligns with the tape path/pinch roller. You will notice than the buds are stained brown from ferrous oxide deposits. Moisten with what? TEAC used to make a rubber restorer that worked very well. I would use a little water, distilled if you have it. Detergents leach the rubber but in a weak enough solution are OK, natural soaps can leave fatty deposits and the various alcohols also leach the rubber. Once you have satisfied yourself that you have removed as much of the FeO2 as possible and the rubber surfaces look better - less shiny - leave the whole thing to dry with the door open for at least 30 minutes. This should sort out the skewing issue for the time being, but the long term solution is new pinch rollers!! All the best, Marc >>> paul_siuc at yahoo.com 5/1/2006 5:29 AM >>> Hi, First time Nak owner and poster! I recently purchased a used 480Z in nice cosmetic condition. I will be using it mainly to listen to tapes. The deck has one issue I've noticed so far. When I play a tape, at first it sounds very good; then, after a bit (the time varies), the highs and mids drop out of the mix and I'm left with a murky and muddled sound! When I press stop, and restart the tape, it immediately sound great again, only to have the same thing happen, often 5-10 times in a row! If I'm lucky, sometimes when I stop and restart the tape it'll play till the end of the side and sound good all the way through. Anyone have an idea what the problem is, and whether I can get it fixed? Thanks in advance for any help I receive.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From luis at peromarta.org Mon May 1 11:57:09 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:57:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? Message-ID: <4455DB75.8080300@peromarta.org> I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While playing back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some points at which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and very low. While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head wiring, very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some other day, again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering at the head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think Stephen Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he used. Thanks, and best rgds, LP. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3305 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon May 1 13:04:36 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 04:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <4455DB75.8080300@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20060501110436.55279.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Luis Generally nothing happens to the head - extremely rare if anything happens though. head wiring acnnot be very heavy or rigid as that may make the head alignment to shift during any head block movement. Better to carefully examine the wiring and find where the break is. Just resolder the break leaving the original head wiring intact. Kannan Luis Peromarta wrote: I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While playing back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some points at which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and very low. While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head wiring, very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some other day, again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering at the head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think Stephen Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he used. Thanks, and best rgds, LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon May 1 17:48:51 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <4455DB75.8080300@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20060501154851.97153.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Luis, I have used two types of wire with different results. On my DR10, I used 33awg silver wire. It sounded alright with more smoother and extended treble. On another deck, I cant remember which, I used Van den Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a more transparent and warmer sound. Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before guessing, carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white insulation of the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the wires, starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. From there move on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If it is indeed the head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power down and disconnect the mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the heads and give a light tug to make sure the joint is secure. You are going to have to remove the front panel and bottom plate for this. Regards Bala 79Labs Luis Peromarta wrote: I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While playing back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some points at which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and very low. While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head wiring, very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some other day, again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering at the head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think Stephen Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he used. Thanks, and best rgds, LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon May 1 17:54:11 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480Z Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060501155411.7816.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, Marc has summarized what you can do, short term and long term, perfectly. I sell new pinch rollers for this and other decks that use the classic transport series. Price per pair is $5. Regards Bala 79Labs Tel : 065 - 6584-2479 Mobile: 065-9339-4963 Marc hugo wrote: Hi Paul, This is not a big worry. It's dirty, shiny, overly smooth pinch rollers that normally cause this. Remove the tape well door and clean both pinch rollers and capstans with a moistened cotton bud. Rub the cotton tip gently across the pinch roller tyre, rotating it it as you go along. Take your time to do this and do the same thing for the capstan shafts, concentrating on the part of the shaft that aligns with the tape path/pinch roller. You will notice than the buds are stained brown from ferrous oxide deposits. Moisten with what? TEAC used to make a rubber restorer that worked very well. I would use a little water, distilled if you have it. Detergents leach the rubber but in a weak enough solution are OK, natural soaps can leave fatty deposits and the various alcohols also leach the rubber. Once you have satisfied yourself that you have removed as much of the FeO2 as possible and the rubber surfaces look better - less shiny - leave the whole thing to dry with the door open for at least 30 minutes. This should sort out the skewing issue for the time being, but the long term solution is new pinch rollers!! All the best, Marc >>> paul_siuc at yahoo.com 5/1/2006 5:29 AM >>> Hi, First time Nak owner and poster! I recently purchased a used 480Z in nice cosmetic condition. I will be using it mainly to listen to tapes. The deck has one issue I've noticed so far. When I play a tape, at first it sounds very good; then, after a bit (the time varies), the highs and mids drop out of the mix and I'm left with a murky and muddled sound! When I press stop, and restart the tape, it immediately sound great again, only to have the same thing happen, often 5-10 times in a row! If I'm lucky, sometimes when I stop and restart the tape it'll play till the end of the side and sound good all the way through. Anyone have an idea what the problem is, and whether I can get it fixed? Thanks in advance for any help I receive.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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On another deck, I cant remember which, I used Van > den Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a more > transparent and warmer sound. > > Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before guessing, > carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white insulation > of the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the wires, > starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. From there > move on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If it is > indeed the head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power down and > disconnect the mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the heads and > give a light tug to make sure the joint is secure. You are going to have > to remove the front panel and bottom plate for this. > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While playing > back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some points at > which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and very low. > > While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head > wiring, > very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some other day, > again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. > > I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering at the > head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? > > If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think Stephen > Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he used. > > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls > > to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3305 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue May 2 03:09:57 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <44564300.7060206@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20060502010958.738.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Luis, Apparently the site has some pretty large pictures. The initial few hits caused it to exceed traffic limits. I have talked to a local web-hosting service and within this week the job will be done. The MCS300 isn't of co-axial type construction. I twisted a pair of wire neatly on the bench, and then maneuver it into place in the deck. Then I solder it. You need two assemblies for a deck. Another type I did was to make an assembly using a pair of 33 awg silver wire shielded using copper braid. Between the silver wire and braid is a thin teflon sleeving to prevent abrasion. This one ended up being more thicker and had to be maneovered carefully. But the resulting sound was more fluid and relaxed. Two assemblies are needed for a single deck also. Thank You. P.S You sure have nice initials LP ;) Regards Bala 79Labs Tel: 065-6584-2479 Mobile: 065-9339-4693 Luis Peromarta wrote: Bala, According to http://www.vandenhul.com/cable/mcs-300.htm this is not a co-axial shielded cable, or is it? Can you use non-shielded wire here? By the way, http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and contribute to your 1000ZXL project !! Thanks, and best rgds, LP. Bala Ganesh Chandra escribi? > Hi Luis, > > I have used two types of wire with different results. On my > DR10, I used 33awg silver wire. It sounded alright with more smoother > and extended treble. On another deck, I cant remember which, I used Van > den Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a more > transparent and warmer sound. > > Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before guessing, > carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white insulation > of the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the wires, > starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. From there > move on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If it is > indeed the head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power down and > disconnect the mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the heads and > give a light tug to make sure the joint is secure. You are going to have > to remove the front panel and bottom plate for this. > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While playing > back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some points at > which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and very low. > > While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head > wiring, > very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some other day, > again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. > > I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering at the > head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? > > If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think Stephen > Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he used. > > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vqworks at yahoo.com Mon May 1 22:41:16 2006 From: vqworks at yahoo.com (Leonard Wong) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] dbx fun Message-ID: <20060501204116.96405.qmail@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Hi Tech" stated that dbx triples frequency response errors but this is not true. dbx doubles errors since it works with 2:1:2 compansion (compression/expansion). The first "2" is the original signal with its full dynamic range. The "1" represents the signal recorded onto tape after the dynamic range is compressed by 50%. The last "2" represents the signal decoded off the tape, which would be expanded back to the original 100% dynamic range. So if a deck's treble falls by 2dB at 16kHz due to, say, a slight overbias then dbx will double it to 4dB down at 16kHz. Also, if you overbias any recording the result will be dulled or muffled highs rather than brighter highs. What tends to make dbx recordings travel better is that they don't depend on correct playback levels as all Dolby recordings do. On the other hand, if the playback deck plays a Dolby (B, C, or S) recording at a lower than correct level, the highs will be rolled off. The opposite will also be true in that a higher than correct playback level will yield overly bright treble. In my opinion (take it for what it's worth), dbx didn't last because it entered the consumer market at a time when Dolby was already well-established (mid-70s). Many manufacturers probably saw little point in paying for another license to implement another noise reduction circuit in their models, especially when most consumers didn't have dbx to begin with. On top of that, dbx recordings can only be played back with dbx NR to sound good. True, dbx recordings can and often do audibly defy the limitations of the cassette format but the audio electronics industry was never driven by quality alone. Having said that, dbx is still my favority noise reduction system. No other system, including Dolby S, is as noise free. Breathing is rarely noticeable unless a very narrowband signal (like a loud, close-miked percussive solo instrument such as a piano or an isolated bass whack) is being recorded. Even then, extra diligence in calibrating the deck-to-tape match would often eliminate the problem. If you're one of the few users who use a deck with adjustable level/sensitivity, bias, and recording EQ, you know what I mean. --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Tue May 2 01:28:38 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:28:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 480z issue In-Reply-To: <200605011000.k41A04Dn004342@zxe.naks.com> References: <200605011000.k41A04Dn004342@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <9F7E51DC-65D6-4FB8-ADC0-7B2EA569D17B@mac.com> Caig makes a rubber cleaning/rejuvenating product. RBR I think it's called. It's worked very well for me on pinch rollers, platens, etc. Available from all the usual electronics supply places: Mouser, Digi- Key, etc. Fred > First time Nak owner and poster! I recently purchased > a used 480Z in nice cosmetic condition. I will be > using it mainly to listen to tapes. > > The deck has one issue I've noticed so far. When I > play a tape, at first it sounds very good; then, after > a bit (the time varies), the highs and mids drop out > of the mix and I'm left with a murky and muddled > sound! When I press stop, and restart the tape, it > immediately sound great again, only to have the same > thing happen, often 5-10 times in a row! If I'm > lucky, sometimes when I stop and restart the tape > it'll play till the end of the side and sound good all > the way through. > > Anyone have an idea what the problem is, and whether I > can get it fixed? > > Thanks in advance for any help I receive.... > > > > > > This is not a big worry. It's dirty, shiny, overly smooth pinch > rollers that normally cause this. Remove the tape well door and > clean both pinch rollers and capstans with a moistened cotton bud. > Rub the cotton tip gently across the pinch roller tyre, rotating it > it as you go along. Take your time to do this and do the same > thing for the capstan shafts, concentrating on the part of the > shaft that aligns with the tape path/pinch roller. You will > notice than the buds are stained brown from ferrous oxide deposits. > > Moisten with what? TEAC used to make a rubber restorer that worked > very well. I would use a little water, distilled if you have it. > Detergents leach the rubber but in a weak enough solution are OK, > natural soaps can leave fatty deposits and the various alcohols > also leach the rubber. > > Once you have satisfied yourself that you have removed as much of > the FeO2 as possible and the rubber surfaces look better - less > shiny - leave the whole thing to dry with the door open for at > least 30 minutes. > > This should sort out the skewing issue for the time being, but the > long term solution is new pinch rollers!! > > All the best, > > Marc > From ddino77 at earthlink.net Tue May 2 05:12:09 2006 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 23:12:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Website on Replacement Boards, Nak Tech Literature Message-ID: <410-220065223129301@earthlink.net> I rried to download but says the site is unavaiable? Hope we can fix this.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Friends and fellow Nakkers, I have just put up my web-site. I will be publishing all release dates and technical literature for the Nakamichi Replacement Boards there. I will also be putting up technical write ups. Currently, I have a page up on fixing common problems on the ZXL playback boards. Its extremely beta, and it will be fully up over the next two weeks. I do appreciate all feedback and comments please. URL is : http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Tel : 065-6584-2479 Mobile: 065-9339-4693 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue May 2 06:39:37 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 04:39:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <44564300.7060206@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Hi Luis & Bala! >http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ > >gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and contribute >to your 1000ZXL project !! Me to...can't enter??? ALEX! >From: Luis Peromarta >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? >Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:18:56 +0200 > >Bala, > >According to > >http://www.vandenhul.com/cable/mcs-300.htm > >this is not a co-axial shielded cable, or is it? Can you use non-shielded >wire here? > >By the way, > >http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ > >gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and contribute >to your 1000ZXL project !! > >Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > >Bala Ganesh Chandra escribi�: >>Hi Luis, >> I have used two types of wire with different results. On my >>DR10, I used 33awg silver wire. It sounded alright with more smoother and >>extended treble. On another deck, I cant remember which, I used Van den >>Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a more transparent >>and warmer sound. >> Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before guessing, >>carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white insulation of >>the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the wires, >>starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. From there move >>on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If it is indeed the >>head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power down and disconnect the >>mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the heads and give a light tug >>to make sure the joint is secure. You are going to have to remove the >>front panel and bottom plate for this. >> Regards >>Bala >>79Labs >> >>*/Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >> >> I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While >>playing >> back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some points >>at >> which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and very low. >> >> While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head >> wiring, >> very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some other >>day, >> again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. >> >> I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering at >>the >> head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? >> >> If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think >>Stephen >> Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he used. >> >> Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls >> >>to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2�/min or less. >>-- >>This message has been scanned for viruses and >>dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >>believed to be clean. >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< smime.p7s >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue May 2 10:33:11 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 01:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Boards Website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060502083311.78930.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Friends, I have just negotiated with a service provider to move the site to a dedicated server. That should be done within two days. Regards Bala 79Labs Tel: 065-6584-2479 Mobile : 065-9339-4693 Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Luis & Bala! >http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ > >gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and contribute >to your 1000ZXL project !! Me to...can't enter??? ALEX! >From: Luis Peromarta >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? >Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:18:56 +0200 > >Bala, > >According to > >http://www.vandenhul.com/cable/mcs-300.htm > >this is not a co-axial shielded cable, or is it? Can you use non-shielded >wire here? > >By the way, > >http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ > >gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and contribute >to your 1000ZXL project !! > >Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > >Bala Ganesh Chandra escribi? >>Hi Luis, >> I have used two types of wire with different results. On my >>DR10, I used 33awg silver wire. It sounded alright with more smoother and >>extended treble. On another deck, I cant remember which, I used Van den >>Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a more transparent >>and warmer sound. >> Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before guessing, >>carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white insulation of >>the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the wires, >>starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. From there move >>on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If it is indeed the >>head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power down and disconnect the >>mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the heads and give a light tug >>to make sure the joint is secure. You are going to have to remove the >>front panel and bottom plate for this. >> Regards >>Bala >>79Labs >> >>*/Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >> >> I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While >>playing >> back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some points >>at >> which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and very low. >> >> While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head >> wiring, >> very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some other >>day, >> again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. >> >> I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering at >>the >> head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? >> >> If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think >>Stephen >> Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he used. >> >> Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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FareChase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 2 14:24:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 08:24:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <20060502010958.738.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060502010958.738.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44574F67.9060106@rcn.com> I am really curious how evaluation of sonic difference between two short pieces of wire is carried out. How does one discern 'more fluid and relaxed' sound? Does one listen immediately before and then immediately after? Is the difference so pronounced that a single listening comparison is sufficient, or does one solder and resolder wires to repeat the test again and again to verify the new fluidity? Does anyone know? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Luis, > > Apparently the site has some pretty large pictures. The initial few > hits caused it to exceed traffic limits. I have talked to a local > web-hosting service and within this week the job will be done. > > The MCS300 isn't of co-axial type construction. I twisted a pair of wire > neatly on the bench, and then maneuver it into place in the deck. Then I > solder it. You need two assemblies for a deck. Another type I did was > to make an assembly using a pair of 33 awg silver wire shielded using > copper braid. Between the silver wire and braid is a thin teflon > sleeving to prevent abrasion. This one ended up being more thicker and > had to be maneovered carefully. But the resulting sound was more fluid > and relaxed. Two assemblies are needed for a single deck also. > > Thank You. > > P.S You sure have nice initials LP ;) > > Regards > Bala > 79Labs > Tel: 065-6584-2479 > Mobile: 065-9339-4693 > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > Bala, > > According to > > http://www.vandenhul.com/cable/mcs-300.htm > > this is not a co-axial shielded cable, or is it? Can you use > non-shielded wire here? > > By the way, > > http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ > > gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and > contribute to your 1000ZXL project !! > > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > > Bala Ganesh Chandra escribi? > > Hi Luis, > > > > I have used two types of wire with different results. On my > > DR10, I used 33awg silver wire. It sounded alright with more > smoother > > and extended treble. On another deck, I cant remember which, I > used Van > > den Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a more > > transparent and warmer sound. > > > > Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before guessing, > > carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white > insulation > > of the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the > wires, > > starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. From there > > move on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If it is > > indeed the head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power down and > > disconnect the mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the > heads and > > give a light tug to make sure the joint is secure. You are going > to have > > to remove the front panel and bottom plate for this. > > > > Regards > > Bala > > 79Labs > > > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > > > I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While > playing > > back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some > points at > > which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and very low. > > > > While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head > > wiring, > > very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some > other day, > > again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. > > > > I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering > at the > > head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? > > > > If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think > Stephen > > Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he used. > > > > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > > > > From paulcar at caribsurf.com Tue May 2 18:18:55 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 12:18:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Service Manual Message-ID: <4457866F.1090002@caribsurf.com> Fellow Naks, I have a BX300 service manual which is missing some pages (sections 6/7). It seems the following pages are missing: 10-21 25-26 28 Can anyone supply ? Thanks Paul From luis at peromarta.org Tue May 2 21:49:36 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:49:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <44574F67.9060106@rcn.com> References: <20060502010958.738.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44574F67.9060106@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4457B7D0.70001@peromarta.org> This brings back the eternal issue of cables / wiring, with the extra difficulty, in this particular case, of A/B/X comparison. My thoughts here are regarding the shielding of the head wiring, true a good twist rejects a lot of noise, but I doubt it would be as good as a coaxial construction. Having the proper electric characteristics, I think shielding, length and routing of the cables are key issues. I'll keep you posted. rgds, LP. Ron wrote: > > I am really curious how evaluation of sonic difference > between two short pieces of wire is carried out. How > does one discern 'more fluid and relaxed' sound? Does > one listen immediately before and then immediately after? > Is the difference so pronounced that a single listening > comparison is sufficient, or does one solder and resolder > wires to repeat the test again and again to verify the > new fluidity? Does anyone know? > > -- Ron > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hi Luis, >> >> Apparently the site has some pretty large pictures. The initial >> few hits caused it to exceed traffic limits. I have talked to a local >> web-hosting service and within this week the job will be done. >> >> The MCS300 isn't of co-axial type construction. I twisted a pair of >> wire neatly on the bench, and then maneuver it into place in the deck. >> Then I solder it. You need two assemblies for a deck. Another type I >> did was to make an assembly using a pair of 33 awg silver wire >> shielded using copper braid. Between the silver wire and braid is a >> thin teflon sleeving to prevent abrasion. This one ended up being more >> thicker and had to be maneovered carefully. But the resulting sound >> was more fluid and relaxed. Two assemblies are needed for a single >> deck also. >> >> Thank You. >> >> P.S You sure have nice initials LP ;) >> >> Regards >> Bala >> 79Labs >> Tel: 065-6584-2479 >> Mobile: 065-9339-4693 >> */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >> >> Bala, >> >> According to >> >> http://www.vandenhul.com/cable/mcs-300.htm >> >> this is not a co-axial shielded cable, or is it? Can you use >> non-shielded wire here? >> >> By the way, >> >> http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ >> >> gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and >> contribute to your 1000ZXL project !! >> >> Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra escribi? >> > Hi Luis, >> > >> > I have used two types of wire with different results. On my >> > DR10, I used 33awg silver wire. It sounded alright with more >> smoother >> > and extended treble. On another deck, I cant remember which, I >> used Van >> > den Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a more >> > transparent and warmer sound. >> > >> > Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before >> guessing, >> > carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white >> insulation >> > of the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the >> wires, >> > starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. From >> there >> > move on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If it is >> > indeed the head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power down and >> > disconnect the mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the >> heads and >> > give a light tug to make sure the joint is secure. You are going >> to have >> > to remove the front panel and bottom plate for this. >> > >> > Regards >> > Bala >> > 79Labs >> > >> > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >> > >> > I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While >> playing >> > back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some >> points at >> > which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and very >> low. >> > >> > While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head >> > wiring, >> > very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some >> other day, >> > again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. >> > >> > I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering >> at the >> > head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? >> > >> > If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think >> Stephen >> > Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he >> used. >> > >> > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >> > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As we know, cable-talk ruffles a lot of feathers. As for me, I select a cable with desirable qualities which brings about positive benefits for that particular application. And as with everything, the important issues you mentioned must be taken care of. Good Luck with the wires. Regards Bala 79Labs Tel: 065-6584-2479 Mobile: 065-9339-4693 Luis Peromarta wrote: This brings back the eternal issue of cables / wiring, with the extra difficulty, in this particular case, of A/B/X comparison. My thoughts here are regarding the shielding of the head wiring, true a good twist rejects a lot of noise, but I doubt it would be as good as a coaxial construction. Having the proper electric characteristics, I think shielding, length and routing of the cables are key issues. I'll keep you posted. rgds, LP. Ron wrote: > > I am really curious how evaluation of sonic difference > between two short pieces of wire is carried out. How > does one discern 'more fluid and relaxed' sound? Does > one listen immediately before and then immediately after? > Is the difference so pronounced that a single listening > comparison is sufficient, or does one solder and resolder > wires to repeat the test again and again to verify the > new fluidity? Does anyone know? > > -- Ron > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hi Luis, >> >> Apparently the site has some pretty large pictures. The initial >> few hits caused it to exceed traffic limits. I have talked to a local >> web-hosting service and within this week the job will be done. >> >> The MCS300 isn't of co-axial type construction. I twisted a pair of >> wire neatly on the bench, and then maneuver it into place in the deck. >> Then I solder it. You need two assemblies for a deck. Another type I >> did was to make an assembly using a pair of 33 awg silver wire >> shielded using copper braid. Between the silver wire and braid is a >> thin teflon sleeving to prevent abrasion. This one ended up being more >> thicker and had to be maneovered carefully. But the resulting sound >> was more fluid and relaxed. Two assemblies are needed for a single >> deck also. >> >> Thank You. >> >> P.S You sure have nice initials LP ;) >> >> Regards >> Bala >> 79Labs >> Tel: 065-6584-2479 >> Mobile: 065-9339-4693 >> */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >> >> Bala, >> >> According to >> >> http://www.vandenhul.com/cable/mcs-300.htm >> >> this is not a co-axial shielded cable, or is it? Can you use >> non-shielded wire here? >> >> By the way, >> >> http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ >> >> gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and >> contribute to your 1000ZXL project !! >> >> Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra escribi? >> > Hi Luis, >> > >> > I have used two types of wire with different results. On my >> > DR10, I used 33awg silver wire. It sounded alright with more >> smoother >> > and extended treble. On another deck, I cant remember which, I >> used Van >> > den Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a more >> > transparent and warmer sound. >> > >> > Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before >> guessing, >> > carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white >> insulation >> > of the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the >> wires, >> > starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. From >> there >> > move on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If it is >> > indeed the head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power down and >> > disconnect the mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the >> heads and >> > give a light tug to make sure the joint is secure. You are going >> to have >> > to remove the front panel and bottom plate for this. >> > >> > Regards >> > Bala >> > 79Labs >> > >> > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >> > >> > I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While >> playing >> > back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some >> points at >> > which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and very >> low. >> > >> > While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head >> > wiring, >> > very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some >> other day, >> > again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. >> > >> > I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering >> at the >> > head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? >> > >> > If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think >> Stephen >> > Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he >> used. >> > >> > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >> > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 3 14:33:46 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:33:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <4457B7D0.70001@peromarta.org> References: <20060502010958.738.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44574F67.9060106@rcn.com> <4457B7D0.70001@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <4458A32A.7000603@rcn.com> I think you are right -- noise and hum rejection are of paramount importance here, sine the signal level is so very low. OTOH, I wondered how one could prove -- or disprove -- the claimed sonic effects. As you know, the signal only cares about electrical properties of wires or cables and these are very similar for copper vs. silver cables. The Teflon could theoretically make a difference, but it's effect so ridiculously small as to make listening test results very suspect. -- Ron Luis Peromarta wrote: > This brings back the eternal issue of cables / wiring, with the extra > difficulty, in this particular case, of A/B/X comparison. > > My thoughts here are regarding the shielding of the head wiring, true a > good twist rejects a lot of noise, but I doubt it would be as good as a > coaxial construction. Having the proper electric characteristics, I > think shielding, length and routing of the cables are key issues. > > I'll keep you posted. > > rgds, LP. > > > Ron wrote: >> >> I am really curious how evaluation of sonic difference >> between two short pieces of wire is carried out. How >> does one discern 'more fluid and relaxed' sound? Does >> one listen immediately before and then immediately after? >> Is the difference so pronounced that a single listening >> comparison is sufficient, or does one solder and resolder >> wires to repeat the test again and again to verify the >> new fluidity? Does anyone know? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> Hi Luis, >>> >>> Apparently the site has some pretty large pictures. The initial >>> few hits caused it to exceed traffic limits. I have talked to a local >>> web-hosting service and within this week the job will be done. >>> >>> The MCS300 isn't of co-axial type construction. I twisted a pair of >>> wire neatly on the bench, and then maneuver it into place in the >>> deck. Then I solder it. You need two assemblies for a deck. Another >>> type I did was to make an assembly using a pair of 33 awg silver wire >>> shielded using copper braid. Between the silver wire and braid is a >>> thin teflon sleeving to prevent abrasion. This one ended up being >>> more thicker and had to be maneovered carefully. But the resulting >>> sound was more fluid and relaxed. Two assemblies are needed for a >>> single deck also. >>> >>> Thank You. >>> >>> P.S You sure have nice initials LP ;) >>> >>> Regards >>> Bala >>> 79Labs >>> Tel: 065-6584-2479 >>> Mobile: 065-9339-4693 >>> */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >>> >>> Bala, >>> >>> According to >>> >>> http://www.vandenhul.com/cable/mcs-300.htm >>> >>> this is not a co-axial shielded cable, or is it? Can you use >>> non-shielded wire here? >>> >>> By the way, >>> >>> http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ >>> >>> gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and >>> contribute to your 1000ZXL project !! >>> >>> Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >>> >>> Bala Ganesh Chandra escribi? >>> > Hi Luis, >>> > >>> > I have used two types of wire with different results. On my >>> > DR10, I used 33awg silver wire. It sounded alright with more >>> smoother >>> > and extended treble. On another deck, I cant remember which, I >>> used Van >>> > den Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a more >>> > transparent and warmer sound. >>> > >>> > Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before >>> guessing, >>> > carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white >>> insulation >>> > of the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the >>> wires, >>> > starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. From >>> there >>> > move on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If >>> it is >>> > indeed the head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power down >>> and >>> > disconnect the mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the >>> heads and >>> > give a light tug to make sure the joint is secure. You are going >>> to have >>> > to remove the front panel and bottom plate for this. >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > Bala >>> > 79Labs >>> > >>> > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >>> > >>> > I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While >>> playing >>> > back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some >>> points at >>> > which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and very >>> low. >>> > >>> > While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head >>> > wiring, >>> > very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some >>> other day, >>> > again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. >>> > >>> > I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering >>> at the >>> > head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? >>> > >>> > If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think >>> Stephen >>> > Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he >>> used. >>> > >>> > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >>> > >>> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Wed May 3 14:45:45 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 14:45:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <4458A32A.7000603@rcn.com> References: <20060502010958.738.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44574F67.9060106@rcn.com> <4457B7D0.70001@peromarta.org> <4458A32A.7000603@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4458A5F9.20705@peromarta.org> That's why there no one dares to perform a serious A/B/X cable tests. Best rgds, LP. Ron escribió: > > I think you are right -- noise and hum rejection are > of paramount importance here, sine the signal level > is so very low. OTOH, I wondered how one could prove > -- or disprove -- the claimed sonic effects. As you > know, the signal only cares about electrical > properties of wires or cables and these are very > similar for copper vs. silver cables. The Teflon > could theoretically make a difference, but it's > effect so ridiculously small as to make listening > test results very suspect. > > -- Ron > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: >> This brings back the eternal issue of cables / wiring, with the extra >> difficulty, in this particular case, of A/B/X comparison. >> >> My thoughts here are regarding the shielding of the head wiring, true >> a good twist rejects a lot of noise, but I doubt it would be as good >> as a coaxial construction. Having the proper electric characteristics, >> I think shielding, length and routing of the cables are key issues. >> >> I'll keep you posted. >> >> rgds, LP. >> >> >> Ron wrote: >>> >>> I am really curious how evaluation of sonic difference >>> between two short pieces of wire is carried out. How >>> does one discern 'more fluid and relaxed' sound? Does >>> one listen immediately before and then immediately after? >>> Is the difference so pronounced that a single listening >>> comparison is sufficient, or does one solder and resolder >>> wires to repeat the test again and again to verify the >>> new fluidity? Does anyone know? >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>> Hi Luis, >>>> >>>> Apparently the site has some pretty large pictures. The initial >>>> few hits caused it to exceed traffic limits. I have talked to a >>>> local web-hosting service and within this week the job will be done. >>>> >>>> The MCS300 isn't of co-axial type construction. I twisted a pair of >>>> wire neatly on the bench, and then maneuver it into place in the >>>> deck. Then I solder it. You need two assemblies for a deck. Another >>>> type I did was to make an assembly using a pair of 33 awg silver >>>> wire shielded using copper braid. Between the silver wire and braid >>>> is a thin teflon sleeving to prevent abrasion. This one ended up >>>> being more thicker and had to be maneovered carefully. But the >>>> resulting sound was more fluid and relaxed. Two assemblies are >>>> needed for a single deck also. >>>> >>>> Thank You. >>>> >>>> P.S You sure have nice initials LP ;) >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Bala >>>> 79Labs >>>> Tel: 065-6584-2479 >>>> Mobile: 065-9339-4693 >>>> */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >>>> >>>> Bala, >>>> >>>> According to >>>> >>>> http://www.vandenhul.com/cable/mcs-300.htm >>>> >>>> this is not a co-axial shielded cable, or is it? Can you use >>>> non-shielded wire here? >>>> >>>> By the way, >>>> >>>> http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ >>>> >>>> gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and >>>> contribute to your 1000ZXL project !! >>>> >>>> Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >>>> >>>> Bala Ganesh Chandra escribi? >>>> > Hi Luis, >>>> > >>>> > I have used two types of wire with different results. On my >>>> > DR10, I used 33awg silver wire. It sounded alright with more >>>> smoother >>>> > and extended treble. On another deck, I cant remember which, I >>>> used Van >>>> > den Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a >>>> more >>>> > transparent and warmer sound. >>>> > >>>> > Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before >>>> guessing, >>>> > carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white >>>> insulation >>>> > of the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the >>>> wires, >>>> > starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. >>>> From there >>>> > move on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If >>>> it is >>>> > indeed the head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power >>>> down and >>>> > disconnect the mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the >>>> heads and >>>> > give a light tug to make sure the joint is secure. You are going >>>> to have >>>> > to remove the front panel and bottom plate for this. >>>> > >>>> > Regards >>>> > Bala >>>> > 79Labs >>>> > >>>> > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >>>> > >>>> > I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While >>>> playing >>>> > back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some >>>> points at >>>> > which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and >>>> very low. >>>> > >>>> > While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head >>>> > wiring, >>>> > very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some >>>> other day, >>>> > again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. >>>> > >>>> > I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering >>>> at the >>>> > head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? >>>> > >>>> > If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think >>>> Stephen >>>> > Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he >>>> used. >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >>>> > >>>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3305 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 3 14:47:12 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:47:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <20060503094236.55907.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060503094236.55907.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4458A650.2000202@rcn.com> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Luis, > > [....] > As we know, cable-talk ruffles a lot of feathers. LOL... I wouldn't know whose feathers cable talk ruffles. Personally, cable talk provides me with much welcome entertainment... I see you deftly avoided describing your method of measuring the wire sonic benefits. Care to elaborate? Give my best to Kermit :-). -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 3 16:33:56 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:33:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <4458A5F9.20705@peromarta.org> References: <4458A32A.7000603@rcn.com> <20060502010958.738.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44574F67.9060106@rcn.com> <4457B7D0.70001@peromarta.org> <4458A32A.7000603@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060503093356.0081c100@earthlink.net> there have been plenty of double blind ABX tests. Absolute Sound published several articles. The results are clear only with a high resolution system and experienced listeners. Listening is a learned skill. The tiny head wires are subject to all the problems listed, but in my opinion, removing the pc board connector and directly soldering the wiires to the pc board will have the greatest benefit. tom brucker At 02:45 PM 5/3/06 +0200, you wrote: >That's why there no one dares to perform a serious A/B/X cable tests. > >Best rgds, LP. > > >Ron escribió: >> >> I think you are right -- noise and hum rejection are >> of paramount importance here, sine the signal level >> is so very low. OTOH, I wondered how one could prove >> -- or disprove -- the claimed sonic effects. As you >> know, the signal only cares about electrical >> properties of wires or cables and these are very >> similar for copper vs. silver cables. The Teflon >> could theoretically make a difference, but it's >> effect so ridiculously small as to make listening >> test results very suspect. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> This brings back the eternal issue of cables / wiring, with the extra >>> difficulty, in this particular case, of A/B/X comparison. >>> >>> My thoughts here are regarding the shielding of the head wiring, true >>> a good twist rejects a lot of noise, but I doubt it would be as good >>> as a coaxial construction. Having the proper electric characteristics, >>> I think shielding, length and routing of the cables are key issues. >>> >>> I'll keep you posted. >>> >>> rgds, LP. >>> >>> >>> Ron wrote: >>>> >>>> I am really curious how evaluation of sonic difference >>>> between two short pieces of wire is carried out. How >>>> does one discern 'more fluid and relaxed' sound? Does >>>> one listen immediately before and then immediately after? >>>> Is the difference so pronounced that a single listening >>>> comparison is sufficient, or does one solder and resolder >>>> wires to repeat the test again and again to verify the >>>> new fluidity? Does anyone know? >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>>> Hi Luis, >>>>> >>>>> Apparently the site has some pretty large pictures. The initial >>>>> few hits caused it to exceed traffic limits. I have talked to a >>>>> local web-hosting service and within this week the job will be done. >>>>> >>>>> The MCS300 isn't of co-axial type construction. I twisted a pair of >>>>> wire neatly on the bench, and then maneuver it into place in the >>>>> deck. Then I solder it. You need two assemblies for a deck. Another >>>>> type I did was to make an assembly using a pair of 33 awg silver >>>>> wire shielded using copper braid. Between the silver wire and braid >>>>> is a thin teflon sleeving to prevent abrasion. This one ended up >>>>> being more thicker and had to be maneovered carefully. But the >>>>> resulting sound was more fluid and relaxed. Two assemblies are >>>>> needed for a single deck also. >>>>> >>>>> Thank You. >>>>> >>>>> P.S You sure have nice initials LP ;) >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Bala >>>>> 79Labs >>>>> Tel: 065-6584-2479 >>>>> Mobile: 065-9339-4693 >>>>> */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Bala, >>>>> >>>>> According to >>>>> >>>>> http://www.vandenhul.com/cable/mcs-300.htm >>>>> >>>>> this is not a co-axial shielded cable, or is it? Can you use >>>>> non-shielded wire here? >>>>> >>>>> By the way, >>>>> >>>>> http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ >>>>> >>>>> gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and >>>>> contribute to your 1000ZXL project !! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >>>>> >>>>> Bala Ganesh Chandra escribi? >>>>> > Hi Luis, >>>>> > >>>>> > I have used two types of wire with different results. On my >>>>> > DR10, I used 33awg silver wire. It sounded alright with more >>>>> smoother >>>>> > and extended treble. On another deck, I cant remember which, I >>>>> used Van >>>>> > den Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a >>>>> more >>>>> > transparent and warmer sound. >>>>> > >>>>> > Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before >>>>> guessing, >>>>> > carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white >>>>> insulation >>>>> > of the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the >>>>> wires, >>>>> > starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. >>>>> From there >>>>> > move on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If >>>>> it is >>>>> > indeed the head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power >>>>> down and >>>>> > disconnect the mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the >>>>> heads and >>>>> > give a light tug to make sure the joint is secure. You are going >>>>> to have >>>>> > to remove the front panel and bottom plate for this. >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards >>>>> > Bala >>>>> > 79Labs >>>>> > >>>>> > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While >>>>> playing >>>>> > back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some >>>>> points at >>>>> > which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and >>>>> very low. >>>>> > >>>>> > While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head >>>>> > wiring, >>>>> > very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some >>>>> other day, >>>>> > again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. >>>>> > >>>>> > I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering >>>>> at the >>>>> > head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? >>>>> > >>>>> > If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think >>>>> Stephen >>>>> > Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he >>>>> used. >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\smime1.p7s" >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 3 18:01:05 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 12:01:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060503093356.0081c100@earthlink.net> References: <4458A32A.7000603@rcn.com> <20060502010958.738.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44574F67.9060106@rcn.com> <4457B7D0.70001@peromarta.org> <4458A32A.7000603@rcn.com> <3.0.3.32.20060503093356.0081c100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4458D3C1.5030109@rcn.com> Tom, I don't normally read The Absolute Sound (Stereophile satisfies my need for uncontrollable laughter), but I am surprised to hear they ran *any* ABX test -- I thought they were opposed to the very idea. Can you point to the articles you mentioned? I would very much like to read them. TIA, -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > there have been plenty of double blind ABX tests. Absolute Sound published > several articles. The results are clear only with a high resolution system > and experienced listeners. Listening is a learned skill. > The tiny head wires are subject to all the problems listed, but in my > opinion, removing the pc board connector and directly soldering the wiires > to the pc board will have the greatest benefit. > > tom brucker > > > At 02:45 PM 5/3/06 +0200, you wrote: >> That's why there no one dares to perform a serious A/B/X cable tests. >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> Ron escribió: >>> I think you are right -- noise and hum rejection are >>> of paramount importance here, sine the signal level >>> is so very low. OTOH, I wondered how one could prove >>> -- or disprove -- the claimed sonic effects. As you >>> know, the signal only cares about electrical >>> properties of wires or cables and these are very >>> similar for copper vs. silver cables. The Teflon >>> could theoretically make a difference, but it's >>> effect so ridiculously small as to make listening >>> test results very suspect. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> This brings back the eternal issue of cables / wiring, with the extra >>>> difficulty, in this particular case, of A/B/X comparison. >>>> >>>> My thoughts here are regarding the shielding of the head wiring, true >>>> a good twist rejects a lot of noise, but I doubt it would be as good >>>> as a coaxial construction. Having the proper electric characteristics, >>>> I think shielding, length and routing of the cables are key issues. >>>> >>>> I'll keep you posted. >>>> >>>> rgds, LP. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ron wrote: >>>>> I am really curious how evaluation of sonic difference >>>>> between two short pieces of wire is carried out. How >>>>> does one discern 'more fluid and relaxed' sound? Does >>>>> one listen immediately before and then immediately after? >>>>> Is the difference so pronounced that a single listening >>>>> comparison is sufficient, or does one solder and resolder >>>>> wires to repeat the test again and again to verify the >>>>> new fluidity? Does anyone know? >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>>>> Hi Luis, >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently the site has some pretty large pictures. The initial >>>>>> few hits caused it to exceed traffic limits. I have talked to a >>>>>> local web-hosting service and within this week the job will be done. >>>>>> >>>>>> The MCS300 isn't of co-axial type construction. I twisted a pair of >>>>>> wire neatly on the bench, and then maneuver it into place in the >>>>>> deck. Then I solder it. You need two assemblies for a deck. Another >>>>>> type I did was to make an assembly using a pair of 33 awg silver >>>>>> wire shielded using copper braid. Between the silver wire and braid >>>>>> is a thin teflon sleeving to prevent abrasion. This one ended up >>>>>> being more thicker and had to be maneovered carefully. But the >>>>>> resulting sound was more fluid and relaxed. Two assemblies are >>>>>> needed for a single deck also. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank You. >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S You sure have nice initials LP ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Bala >>>>>> 79Labs >>>>>> Tel: 065-6584-2479 >>>>>> Mobile: 065-9339-4693 >>>>>> */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Bala, >>>>>> >>>>>> According to >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.vandenhul.com/cable/mcs-300.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> this is not a co-axial shielded cable, or is it? Can you use >>>>>> non-shielded wire here? >>>>>> >>>>>> By the way, >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ >>>>>> >>>>>> gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and >>>>>> contribute to your 1000ZXL project !! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bala Ganesh Chandra escribi? >>>>>> > Hi Luis, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I have used two types of wire with different results. On my >>>>>> > DR10, I used 33awg silver wire. It sounded alright with more >>>>>> smoother >>>>>> > and extended treble. On another deck, I cant remember which, I >>>>>> used Van >>>>>> > den Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a >>>>>> more >>>>>> > transparent and warmer sound. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before >>>>>> guessing, >>>>>> > carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white >>>>>> insulation >>>>>> > of the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the >>>>>> wires, >>>>>> > starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. >>>>>> From there >>>>>> > move on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If >>>>>> it is >>>>>> > indeed the head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power >>>>>> down and >>>>>> > disconnect the mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the >>>>>> heads and >>>>>> > give a light tug to make sure the joint is secure. You are going >>>>>> to have >>>>>> > to remove the front panel and bottom plate for this. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Regards >>>>>> > Bala >>>>>> > 79Labs >>>>>> > >>>>>> > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While >>>>>> playing >>>>>> > back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some >>>>>> points at >>>>>> > which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and >>>>>> very low. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head >>>>>> > wiring, >>>>>> > very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some >>>>>> other day, >>>>>> > again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering >>>>>> at the >>>>>> > head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think >>>>>> Stephen >>>>>> > Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he >>>>>> used. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\smime1.p7s" >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 3 20:32:03 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:32:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <4458A32A.7000603@rcn.com> Message-ID: I presume the construction of the wire may also have some effect? I recall Stephen Sank used to recommend for CD transport to DAC not to use a coax cable but two strands of bare silver wire, with no insulation. Whether or not it matter the wire were silver is perhaps questionable, but the construction is very different! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 03 May 2006 13:34 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? I think you are right -- noise and hum rejection are of paramount importance here, sine the signal level is so very low. OTOH, I wondered how one could prove -- or disprove -- the claimed sonic effects. As you know, the signal only cares about electrical properties of wires or cables and these are very similar for copper vs. silver cables. The Teflon could theoretically make a difference, but it's effect so ridiculously small as to make listening test results very suspect. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 3 22:46:22 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:46:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4459169E.7060009@rcn.com> I remember that discourse, but not that he suggested bare wires -- they'd have to be insulated for the cable to work. Be aware that Stephen's cable solution went in the face of theory. For least reflections, the cable must match the impedance of both source and load (which, obviously, must be the same). Since digital audio devices generally use 75 ohms and a twisted pair would be w-a-y off (maybe 150 ohm, God knows how what if the pair is close to other cables), his cable was guaranteed *not* to work in many (most?) situations, such as many cables bunched together, long runs, etc. They should be OK in the trivially simple home environment. It helps that digital cables either work or they do not -- there is no in between. -- Ron Nelson wrote: > I presume the construction of the wire may also have some effect? I recall > Stephen Sank used to recommend for CD transport to DAC not to use a coax > cable but two strands of bare silver wire, with no insulation. Whether or > not it matter the wire were silver is perhaps questionable, but the > construction is very different! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 03 May 2006 13:34 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? > > > > I think you are right -- noise and hum rejection are > of paramount importance here, sine the signal level > is so very low. OTOH, I wondered how one could prove > -- or disprove -- the claimed sonic effects. As you > know, the signal only cares about electrical > properties of wires or cables and these are very > similar for copper vs. silver cables. The Teflon > could theoretically make a difference, but it's > effect so ridiculously small as to make listening > test results very suspect. > > -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 4 00:16:43 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:16:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <4458D3C1.5030109@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060503093356.0081c100@earthlink.net> <4458A32A.7000603@rcn.com> <20060502010958.738.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44574F67.9060106@rcn.com> <4457B7D0.70001@peromarta.org> <4458A32A.7000603@rcn.com> <3.0.3.32.20060503093356.0081c100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060503171643.00826e90@earthlink.net> I knew someone would ask!! I only have 20 years of issues to search through. Absolute Sound was always subjective, positing that live music as a reference and stated biases did not make for objective reviews. It worked if you believed it worked. They set up a double blind test at someone's behest, and spent 2 issues discussing it I think it might have been 1979....really long ago. The test's goal was to determine if a listener could consistently identify condition A vs B, not to decide which was "better". Several listeners could consistently id. Women, it turned out, seemed especially able to id!! I have a friend here in Nashville who was a Goldmund dealer, with the most amazing system (now mostly sold). It is a treat to visit his house., Sony had brought a SACD roadshow to the nashville studios and some engineer invited Rick to listen to an ABX demo between 2 channel master and SACD. Rick id'd the correct source every time. The point again was not which was better, but that a trained listener can find the aural clues every time. Once you have that ability, AND you can deal with your own biases, you no longer need the ABX type of test. That is why Absolute Sound felt they no longer needed to answer to the ABX crowd. BTW, other magazines' inconclusive ABX tests used midfi systems and funny switch boxes, opening up the masking issues. Hearing things like wires and connections requires someone to manage their own expectations, high resolution systems, and familiar music. tom At 12:01 PM 5/3/06 -0400, you wrote: > >Tom, > >I don't normally read The Absolute Sound (Stereophile >satisfies my need for uncontrollable laughter), but I >am surprised to hear they ran *any* ABX test -- I >thought they were opposed to the very idea. Can you >point to the articles you mentioned? I would very much >like to read them. > >TIA, > >-- Ron > > > >Hi Tech wrote: >> there have been plenty of double blind ABX tests. Absolute Sound published >> several articles. The results are clear only with a high resolution system >> and experienced listeners. Listening is a learned skill. >> The tiny head wires are subject to all the problems listed, but in my >> opinion, removing the pc board connector and directly soldering the wiires >> to the pc board will have the greatest benefit. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> At 02:45 PM 5/3/06 +0200, you wrote: >>> That's why there no one dares to perform a serious A/B/X cable tests. >>> >>> Best rgds, LP. >>> >>> >>> Ron escribió: >>>> I think you are right -- noise and hum rejection are >>>> of paramount importance here, sine the signal level >>>> is so very low. OTOH, I wondered how one could prove >>>> -- or disprove -- the claimed sonic effects. As you >>>> know, the signal only cares about electrical >>>> properties of wires or cables and these are very >>>> similar for copper vs. silver cables. The Teflon >>>> could theoretically make a difference, but it's >>>> effect so ridiculously small as to make listening >>>> test results very suspect. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>>> This brings back the eternal issue of cables / wiring, with the extra >>>>> difficulty, in this particular case, of A/B/X comparison. >>>>> >>>>> My thoughts here are regarding the shielding of the head wiring, true >>>>> a good twist rejects a lot of noise, but I doubt it would be as good >>>>> as a coaxial construction. Having the proper electric characteristics, >>>>> I think shielding, length and routing of the cables are key issues. >>>>> >>>>> I'll keep you posted. >>>>> >>>>> rgds, LP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ron wrote: >>>>>> I am really curious how evaluation of sonic difference >>>>>> between two short pieces of wire is carried out. How >>>>>> does one discern 'more fluid and relaxed' sound? Does >>>>>> one listen immediately before and then immediately after? >>>>>> Is the difference so pronounced that a single listening >>>>>> comparison is sufficient, or does one solder and resolder >>>>>> wires to repeat the test again and again to verify the >>>>>> new fluidity? Does anyone know? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Luis, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apparently the site has some pretty large pictures. The initial >>>>>>> few hits caused it to exceed traffic limits. I have talked to a >>>>>>> local web-hosting service and within this week the job will be done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The MCS300 isn't of co-axial type construction. I twisted a pair of >>>>>>> wire neatly on the bench, and then maneuver it into place in the >>>>>>> deck. Then I solder it. You need two assemblies for a deck. Another >>>>>>> type I did was to make an assembly using a pair of 33 awg silver >>>>>>> wire shielded using copper braid. Between the silver wire and braid >>>>>>> is a thin teflon sleeving to prevent abrasion. This one ended up >>>>>>> being more thicker and had to be maneovered carefully. But the >>>>>>> resulting sound was more fluid and relaxed. Two assemblies are >>>>>>> needed for a single deck also. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank You. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P.S You sure have nice initials LP ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Bala >>>>>>> 79Labs >>>>>>> Tel: 065-6584-2479 >>>>>>> Mobile: 065-9339-4693 >>>>>>> */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bala, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> According to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.vandenhul.com/cable/mcs-300.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this is not a co-axial shielded cable, or is it? Can you use >>>>>>> non-shielded wire here? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By the way, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gives me "currently unavailable" error :( I'm diying to use and >>>>>>> contribute to your 1000ZXL project !! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bala Ganesh Chandra escribi? >>>>>>> > Hi Luis, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I have used two types of wire with different results. On my >>>>>>> > DR10, I used 33awg silver wire. It sounded alright with more >>>>>>> smoother >>>>>>> > and extended treble. On another deck, I cant remember which, I >>>>>>> used Van >>>>>>> > den Hul MCS300 hook up wire. This gives better result with a >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> > transparent and warmer sound. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Now, the muffled sound could mean a few things. But before >>>>>>> guessing, >>>>>>> > carefully examine to see if there is any damage to the white >>>>>>> insulation >>>>>>> > of the two pairs of wires. With a tape playing, slowly move the >>>>>>> wires, >>>>>>> > starting from the pb head terminals to see if it changes. >>>>>>> From there >>>>>>> > move on to see if there is any damage and slowly move up. If >>>>>>> it is >>>>>>> > indeed the head terminals, stop and eject the tape, power >>>>>>> down and >>>>>>> > disconnect the mains of the deck. Reheat the terminals of the >>>>>>> heads and >>>>>>> > give a light tug to make sure the joint is secure. You are going >>>>>>> to have >>>>>>> > to remove the front panel and bottom plate for this. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Regards >>>>>>> > Bala >>>>>>> > 79Labs >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While >>>>>>> playing >>>>>>> > back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some >>>>>>> points at >>>>>>> > which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and >>>>>>> very low. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head >>>>>>> > wiring, >>>>>>> > very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some >>>>>>> other day, >>>>>>> > again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering >>>>>>> at the >>>>>>> > head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think >>>>>>> Stephen >>>>>>> > Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he >>>>>>> used. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\smime1.p7s" >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed May 3 23:42:54 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:42:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? Message-ID: <79154821-F96B-4276-A3C0-AC452F438434@alumni.caltech.edu> > It helps that digital cables > either work or they do not -- there is no in between. > > -- Ron > I don't know about digital audio equipment in particular, but I don't think of this as quite true in general. Yes, the data is either a one or a zero, but a cable with a lot of noise can slow down things by requiring a significant number of retransmissions and/or usage of error correction stuff if a checksum detects an inconsistency.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 4 00:29:30 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:29:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <4459169E.7060009@rcn.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, No, the two wires of the cable don't have to be insulated (except very close to the RCA plugs) - just kept apart so they don't touch. I tried it with some wire using a series of those little nylon blocks used for connecting wires - i.e. keeping the single strands of the + and - wires taught by passing them through the blocks and fixing them in place using the screws of the blocks. It was a short run, but not straight, of about 2.5 feet. It worked rather well, surprisingly enough! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 03 May 2006 21:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? I remember that discourse, but not that he suggested bare wires -- they'd have to be insulated for the cable to work. Be aware that Stephen's cable solution went in the face of theory. For least reflections, the cable must match the impedance of both source and load (which, obviously, must be the same). Since digital audio devices generally use 75 ohms and a twisted pair would be w-a-y off (maybe 150 ohm, God knows how what if the pair is close to other cables), his cable was guaranteed *not* to work in many (most?) situations, such as many cables bunched together, long runs, etc. They should be OK in the trivially simple home environment. It helps that digital cables either work or they do not -- there is no in between. -- Ron Nelson wrote: > I presume the construction of the wire may also have some effect? I recall > Stephen Sank used to recommend for CD transport to DAC not to use a coax > cable but two strands of bare silver wire, with no insulation. Whether or > not it matter the wire were silver is perhaps questionable, but the > construction is very different! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 03 May 2006 13:34 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? > > > > I think you are right -- noise and hum rejection are > of paramount importance here, sine the signal level > is so very low. OTOH, I wondered how one could prove > -- or disprove -- the claimed sonic effects. As you > know, the signal only cares about electrical > properties of wires or cables and these are very > similar for copper vs. silver cables. The Teflon > could theoretically make a difference, but it's > effect so ridiculously small as to make listening > test results very suspect. > > -- Ron From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 4 00:37:02 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:37:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <79154821-F96B-4276-A3C0-AC452F438434@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: Kimo Are you saying, then, that if a cable has a lot of noise it may affect the sound reproduced by the DAC? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: 03 May 2006 22:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? It helps that digital cables either work or they do not -- there is no in between. -- Ron I don't know about digital audio equipment in particular, but I don't think of this as quite true in general. Yes, the data is either a one or a zero, but a cable with a lot of noise can slow down things by requiring a significant number of retransmissions and/or usage of error correction stuff if a checksum detects an inconsistency.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From digitalvoice at yahoo.com Thu May 4 00:38:49 2006 From: digitalvoice at yahoo.com (Digital Voice) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <4459169E.7060009@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060503223849.96816.qmail@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, I have to object to your statement below. There are SO many ways in which digital data transmission can go wrong. That is how error detection and correction algorythms were 'born', way back when, in order to deal with the many ways in which data transmission can go wrong. Victor ... simple home environment. It helps that digital cables either work or they do not -- there is no in between. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 4 15:16:06 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:16:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4459FE96.3030708@rcn.com> Oh, I see. My faulty memory, again! I seem to remember the wires were twisted, not air insulated. My other remarks still stand. I am not even sure what the impedance would be for the configuration you describe. Noise pickup would be enormous. Yes, it will work for 2.5 ft. Probably, 10 ft. as well. but use 25 ft. and/or route it in a bundle and will completely fail. -- Ron Nelson wrote: > Hi Ron, > > No, the two wires of the cable don't have to be insulated (except very close > to the RCA plugs) - just kept apart so they don't touch. I tried it with > some wire using a series of those little nylon blocks used for connecting > wires - i.e. keeping the single strands of the + and - wires taught by > passing them through the blocks and fixing them in place using the screws of > the blocks. It was a short run, but not straight, of about 2.5 feet. It > worked rather well, surprisingly enough! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 03 May 2006 21:46 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? > > > > I remember that discourse, but not that he suggested > bare wires -- they'd have to be insulated for the > cable to work. > > Be aware that Stephen's cable solution went in the > face of theory. For least reflections, the cable must > match the impedance of both source and load (which, > obviously, must be the same). Since digital audio > devices generally use 75 ohms and a twisted pair > would be w-a-y off (maybe 150 ohm, God knows how > what if the pair is close to other cables), his > cable was guaranteed *not* to work in many (most?) > situations, such as many cables bunched together, > long runs, etc. They should be OK in the trivially > simple home environment. It helps that digital cables > either work or they do not -- there is no in between. > > -- Ron > > > > Nelson wrote: >> I presume the construction of the wire may also have some effect? I > recall >> Stephen Sank used to recommend for CD transport to DAC not to use a coax >> cable but two strands of bare silver wire, with no insulation. Whether or >> not it matter the wire were silver is perhaps questionable, but the >> construction is very different! >> >> Gra' >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Ron >> Sent: 03 May 2006 13:34 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? >> >> >> >> I think you are right -- noise and hum rejection are >> of paramount importance here, sine the signal level >> is so very low. OTOH, I wondered how one could prove >> -- or disprove -- the claimed sonic effects. As you >> know, the signal only cares about electrical >> properties of wires or cables and these are very >> similar for copper vs. silver cables. The Teflon >> could theoretically make a difference, but it's >> effect so ridiculously small as to make listening >> test results very suspect. >> >> -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 4 15:45:20 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:45:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <79154821-F96B-4276-A3C0-AC452F438434@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <79154821-F96B-4276-A3C0-AC452F438434@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <445A0570.1000704@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> It helps that digital cables >> either work or they do not -- there is no in between. >> >> -- Ron >> > I don't know about digital audio equipment in particular... I do. > ... but I don't think of this as quite true in general. Well, it is. To be absolutely precise, there is a small (very small) window where the cable can be marginal, but generally, digital cables either work -- or they do not. It's quite binary. > Yes, the > data is either a one or a zero, but a cable with a lot of noise I am not sure what you mean. Cables do not have a lot of noise. A good digital cable (either coax or optical) will not pick up noise, even in lengths where losses prevent transmission. The cable under discussion, which is anything but a 'good' cable, will indeed pick up high levels of noise. However, noise immunity in digital systems is a given number, specific to the system. If actual noise is below that number, the system behaves as if the noise is zero. If noise is above that number, the system fails. It's that simple. > can slow > down things by requiring a significant > number of retransmissions and/or usage of error correction stuff if a > checksum detects an inconsistency. Audio digital systems do not use retransmission and error correction is done in real time. In reality, errors occur during the read operation, not in the cable. Again, if errors are within the error correction capability of the system, the output is completely error free. If errors exceed the error correction capability, the system fails. It's quite binary. -- Ron -kby > From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu May 4 16:33:35 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:33:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <4459FE96.3030708@rcn.com> References: <4459FE96.3030708@rcn.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10605040733q117e5f3aub49d843b217143ea@mail.gmail.com> I have one of Stephen's digital coax cables and it sounds fine for me. It's about 10 inches long. George On 5/4/06, Ron wrote: > > Oh, I see. My faulty memory, again! I seem to > remember the wires were twisted, not air insulated. > > My other remarks still stand. I am not even sure > what the impedance would be for the configuration > you describe. Noise pickup would be enormous. Yes, > it will work for 2.5 ft. Probably, 10 ft. as well. > but use 25 ft. and/or route it in a bundle and will > completely fail. > > -- Ron > > > Nelson wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > > > No, the two wires of the cable don't have to be insulated (except very close > > to the RCA plugs) - just kept apart so they don't touch. I tried it with > > some wire using a series of those little nylon blocks used for connecting > > wires - i.e. keeping the single strands of the + and - wires taught by > > passing them through the blocks and fixing them in place using the screws of > > the blocks. It was a short run, but not straight, of about 2.5 feet. It > > worked rather well, surprisingly enough! > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ron > > Sent: 03 May 2006 21:46 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? > > > > > > > > I remember that discourse, but not that he suggested > > bare wires -- they'd have to be insulated for the > > cable to work. > > > > Be aware that Stephen's cable solution went in the > > face of theory. For least reflections, the cable must > > match the impedance of both source and load (which, > > obviously, must be the same). Since digital audio > > devices generally use 75 ohms and a twisted pair > > would be w-a-y off (maybe 150 ohm, God knows how > > what if the pair is close to other cables), his > > cable was guaranteed *not* to work in many (most?) > > situations, such as many cables bunched together, > > long runs, etc. They should be OK in the trivially > > simple home environment. It helps that digital cables > > either work or they do not -- there is no in between. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Nelson wrote: > >> I presume the construction of the wire may also have some effect? I > > recall > >> Stephen Sank used to recommend for CD transport to DAC not to use a coax > >> cable but two strands of bare silver wire, with no insulation. Whether or > >> not it matter the wire were silver is perhaps questionable, but the > >> construction is very different! > >> > >> Gra' > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >> Behalf Of Ron > >> Sent: 03 May 2006 13:34 > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? > >> > >> > >> > >> I think you are right -- noise and hum rejection are > >> of paramount importance here, sine the signal level > >> is so very low. OTOH, I wondered how one could prove > >> -- or disprove -- the claimed sonic effects. As you > >> know, the signal only cares about electrical > >> properties of wires or cables and these are very > >> similar for copper vs. silver cables. The Teflon > >> could theoretically make a difference, but it's > >> effect so ridiculously small as to make listening > >> test results very suspect. > >> > >> -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 4 16:57:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:57:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 azimuth calibration resolution Message-ID: <445A1643.3020403@rcn.com> This could be of interest to CR-7 owners. Sometime early in March, we revisited here the insufficient resolution of the CR-7 azimuth control. In the CR-7, PB head azimuth is adjusted by a small motor that moves the head in small steps. It turns out that the step size chosen by Nak engineers was too large for dead on calibration, in both the automatic and manual modes. This was originally brought up three or four years ago by Stephen Sank. Stephen suggested a simple modification, that will halve the step size, while also halving the total head adjustment range. Personally, I thought this mod amounted to gilding the lily. The CR-7 sounds stupendous as is (which is probably why Nak engineers never caught the design error). However, in the recent discussion of this mod, one poster objected to it, on the grounds that it will somehow cause the azimuth control 'to hunt' due to noise pickup. There is no technical foundation whatsoever to this claim, as the azimuth system is purely digital, with noise immunity that guarantees this could never, ever happen. So, I yesterday took my CR-7 off the shelf, for its usual biennial transport service. I clean flywheels and belt, lubricate both capstan bearings, adjust speed (was right on the money this time), etc.. Since the unit was already open on the bench, I decided to put in Stephen's mod. It consists of the addition of one resistor and took less than 3 minutes to do (including finding the resistor). Upon checking, the mod did exactly what it was supposed to. Step size was visibly reduced (theoretically, to one half). Auto calibration does not take noticeable longer. Operation is stable and consistent (why wouldn't it be). For all intents and purposes, the deck works as before, though PB head azimuth is more accurate now. This should manifest itself in wider response. -- Ron From luis at peromarta.org Thu May 4 20:29:22 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 20:29:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 azimuth calibration resolution In-Reply-To: <445A1643.3020403@rcn.com> References: <445A1643.3020403@rcn.com> Message-ID: <445A4802.2010302@peromarta.org> Hi Ron, Can you describe the mod, or how to find it, so I can try it? Thanks, and best rgds, LP. Ron wrote: > > This could be of interest to CR-7 owners. > > Sometime early in March, we revisited here > the insufficient resolution of the CR-7 > azimuth control. In the CR-7, PB head > azimuth is adjusted by a small motor that > moves the head in small steps. It turns out > that the step size chosen by Nak engineers > was too large for dead on calibration, in > both the automatic and manual modes. > > This was originally brought up three or four > years ago by Stephen Sank. Stephen suggested > a simple modification, that will halve the > step size, while also halving the total head > adjustment range. > > Personally, I thought this mod amounted to > gilding the lily. The CR-7 sounds stupendous > as is (which is probably why Nak engineers > never caught the design error). > > However, in the recent discussion of this mod, > one poster objected to it, on the grounds that > it will somehow cause the azimuth control 'to > hunt' due to noise pickup. There is no technical > foundation whatsoever to this claim, as the > azimuth system is purely digital, with noise > immunity that guarantees this could never, ever > happen. > > So, I yesterday took my CR-7 off the shelf, for > its usual biennial transport service. I clean > flywheels and belt, lubricate both capstan bearings, > adjust speed (was right on the money this time), > etc.. Since the unit was already open on the bench, > I decided to put in Stephen's mod. It consists of > the addition of one resistor and took less than 3 > minutes to do (including finding the resistor). > > Upon checking, the mod did exactly what it was > supposed to. Step size was visibly reduced > (theoretically, to one half). Auto calibration > does not take noticeable longer. Operation is > stable and consistent (why wouldn't it be). For > all intents and purposes, the deck works as > before, though PB head azimuth is more accurate > now. This should manifest itself in wider > response. > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 4 21:06:44 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:06:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <4459FE96.3030708@rcn.com> Message-ID: LOL! Ron, no, his design wasn't twisted, just "air insulated." Oddly enough my version of his cable did seem to work "better" than my coax cable between DAC and transport. (Indeed, I got fewer clicks and pops using it that with the braided coax when the central heating pump switched on, which didn't seem right given I understood the braiding is supposed to help reduce RF noise ... hmmmm !) But I dare say the "improvements I heard had more to do with impedance/capacitance issues than the wire or it's lack of braiding, twists, plats, etc. ... that or some inherent bias on my part ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 04 May 2006 14:16 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? Oh, I see. My faulty memory, again! I seem to remember the wires were twisted, not air insulated. My other remarks still stand. I am not even sure what the impedance would be for the configuration you describe. Noise pickup would be enormous. Yes, it will work for 2.5 ft. Probably, 10 ft. as well. but use 25 ft. and/or route it in a bundle and will completely fail. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 4 21:56:25 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 15:56:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 azimuth calibration resolution In-Reply-To: <445A4802.2010302@peromarta.org> References: <445A1643.3020403@rcn.com> <445A4802.2010302@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <445A5C69.1000407@rcn.com> Easy enough. Add a 100K resistor in parallel with R831 (which is also 100K) on the Logic PCB. To verify, move the azimuth control knob from full left to full right, both before and after the mod. After the mod, the head movement should be about half. Do not do the mod if you have cassettes that require setting the azimuth knob to more than half way (either side) for PB. -- Ron Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi Ron, > > Can you describe the mod, or how to find it, so I can try it? > > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > > > Ron wrote: >> >> This could be of interest to CR-7 owners. >> >> Sometime early in March, we revisited here >> the insufficient resolution of the CR-7 >> azimuth control. In the CR-7, PB head >> azimuth is adjusted by a small motor that >> moves the head in small steps. It turns out >> that the step size chosen by Nak engineers >> was too large for dead on calibration, in >> both the automatic and manual modes. >> >> This was originally brought up three or four >> years ago by Stephen Sank. Stephen suggested >> a simple modification, that will halve the >> step size, while also halving the total head >> adjustment range. >> >> Personally, I thought this mod amounted to >> gilding the lily. The CR-7 sounds stupendous >> as is (which is probably why Nak engineers >> never caught the design error). >> >> However, in the recent discussion of this mod, >> one poster objected to it, on the grounds that >> it will somehow cause the azimuth control 'to >> hunt' due to noise pickup. There is no technical >> foundation whatsoever to this claim, as the >> azimuth system is purely digital, with noise >> immunity that guarantees this could never, ever >> happen. >> >> So, I yesterday took my CR-7 off the shelf, for >> its usual biennial transport service. I clean >> flywheels and belt, lubricate both capstan bearings, >> adjust speed (was right on the money this time), >> etc.. Since the unit was already open on the bench, >> I decided to put in Stephen's mod. It consists of >> the addition of one resistor and took less than 3 >> minutes to do (including finding the resistor). >> >> Upon checking, the mod did exactly what it was >> supposed to. Step size was visibly reduced >> (theoretically, to one half). Auto calibration >> does not take noticeable longer. Operation is >> stable and consistent (why wouldn't it be). For >> all intents and purposes, the deck works as >> before, though PB head azimuth is more accurate >> now. This should manifest itself in wider >> response. >> >> -- Ron >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu May 4 23:14:15 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:14:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? Message-ID: <37D2A108-7906-48F5-BC23-318CB48551C8@alumni.caltech.edu> > Kimo B. Yap wrote: > >> It helps that digital cables > >> either work or they do not -- there is no in between. > >> > >> -- R > >> > > I don't know about digital audio equipment in particular... > > I do. > Well, I guess that's clear :-). I meant I have plenty of experience in the digital realm (at the operating system level), but that isn't necessarily how it's implemented in a settop box. Maybe this is more of a semantic issue and I don't think the "small margin" is quite as insignificant. And by noisy I simply mean that the cable picks up outside noise so it is not as easy to distinguish the signal from the noise, hence some kind of error detection has to come in to play. Leaving aside the issue of how good the various detection/correction algorithms are at properly identifying correctable vs. uncorrectable errors and doing the correction properly (I'm at least passingly familiar with what the math might say, but have had enough acquaintance with disk driver writers who might beg to differ at least how true the theory is in practice), from the standpoint of the user, if the cable is bad enough that it allows errors that are sometimes "transparently" correctable or not--so that from the user's point of view the device works sometimes (i.e. when there is no error or they are correctable) and doesn't others (when an uncorrectable error is detected and again leaving unaddressed the issue of if the detection and correction itself is perfect), but when the cable is replaced everything works (because there are now an insignificant number of uncorrectable errors), then for practical purposes it can look to the end user than if it were an "intermittent" analog cable. The issue of retransmission I did state that I was unclear on as networks use that as an addition "error correction mechanism" if you will in addition to trying to mathematically reconstruct the data from a checksum/ECC code.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul_siuc at yahoo.com Thu May 4 23:32:58 2006 From: paul_siuc at yahoo.com (a rl) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480Z Issue Pt 2 Message-ID: <20060504213258.73871.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello again, I just finished cleaning my 480Z's pinch roller tyres, capstan shafts, and tape guides, with cotton swabs dipped in distilled water. Funny thing is, after cleaning these areas, my cotton swabs did not get very dirty like Marc described; the only place I noticed any brown specs was on the tape guides, especially on the one to the right as one looks into the tape well! The pinch roller tyres looked like they were worn, because I could see where the tape, while rubbing against them, had left a path on the tyres themselves. I didn't notice any brown on my swabs after cleaning them though. The capstan shafts appeared cleanest of all. The areas I swabbed are drying now, so I haven't tested playback yet. Should I just opt for replacing the tyres? Bala replied to my earlier post and said he sold them for $5, but when I sent him an email requesting information, I never heard back from him. Thanks in advance for all your help.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 5 05:48:14 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480Z Issue Pt 2 In-Reply-To: <20060504213258.73871.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060505034814.89667.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, Terribly sorry if I had missed your email out. Yes I do sell them at $5 a pair. Now, also since you are at it, can you also check the capstan belt on your machine? Regards Bala 79Labs Tel: 065-65842479 Mobile:065-9339-4693 a rl wrote: Hello again, I just finished cleaning my 480Z's pinch roller tyres, capstan shafts, and tape guides, with cotton swabs dipped in distilled water. Funny thing is, after cleaning these areas, my cotton swabs did not get very dirty like Marc described; the only place I noticed any brown specs was on the tape guides, especially on the one to the right as one looks into the tape well! The pinch roller tyres looked like they were worn, because I could see where the tape, while rubbing against them, had left a path on the tyres themselves. I didn't notice any brown on my swabs after cleaning them though. The capstan shafts appeared cleanest of all. The areas I swabbed are drying now, so I haven't tested playback yet. Should I just opt for replacing the tyres? Bala replied to my earlier post and said he sold them for $5, but when I sent him an email requesting information, I never heard back from him. Thanks in advance for all your help.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yumanhing at netvigator.com Fri May 5 11:24:57 2006 From: yumanhing at netvigator.com (Hing) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:24:57 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Repair service of Studer A721 Cassette Deck (similar to Revox B-215) Message-ID: <000501c67025$c74c3900$0202a8c0@home4qklf4ro9w> Hello My Studer A721 cassette deck is in need of repair. I have contacted the Studer UK and they no longer supported this model. Beside the JM Technical Arts in the US, would you please recommend other service centres, preferrably in Europe or Asia, so that I can ship my deck for the repair service? Thank you in advance. Best regards Hing From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 5 14:56:38 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 08:56:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z Issue Pt 2 In-Reply-To: <20060504213258.73871.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060504213258.73871.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <445B4B86.9020809@rcn.com> Distilled water is not the best solvent in the world. I use some kind of alcohol and in extreme cases, even stronger solvents. During the course of routine cleaning, the swabs get less and less dirty during several passes and the rollers eventually become deep, flat black. During cleaning I also check pinch roller arms for free movement and good spring action. This is important. -- Ron a rl wrote: > Hello again, > > I just finished cleaning my 480Z's pinch roller tyres, > capstan shafts, and tape guides, with cotton swabs > dipped in distilled water. Funny thing is, after > cleaning these areas, my cotton swabs did not get very > dirty like Marc described; the only place I noticed > any brown specs was on the tape guides, especially on > the one to the right as one looks into the tape well! > The pinch roller tyres looked like they were worn, > because I could see where the tape, while rubbing > against them, had left a path on the tyres themselves. > I didn't notice any brown on my swabs after cleaning > them though. The capstan shafts appeared cleanest of > all. > > The areas I swabbed are drying now, so I haven't > tested playback yet. > > Should I just opt for replacing the tyres? Bala > replied to my earlier post and said he sold them for > $5, but when I sent him an email requesting > information, I never heard back from him. > > Thanks in advance for all your help.... From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri May 5 15:06:20 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:06:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Repair service of Studer A721 Cassette Deck (similar to Revox B-215) In-Reply-To: <000501c67025$c74c3900$0202a8c0@home4qklf4ro9w> References: <000501c67025$c74c3900$0202a8c0@home4qklf4ro9w> Message-ID: <518b7b10605050606o61694f97pa623e587065e23f0@mail.gmail.com> Try Revox repair centres, the German one will definitely service it, there is also a guy in England, but I have the details at home - maybe Graham can help you quicker, he has used his services. Rgds George On 5/5/06, Hing wrote: > Hello > > My Studer A721 cassette deck is in need of repair. I have contacted the > Studer UK and they no longer supported this model. Beside the JM Technical > Arts in the US, would you please recommend other service centres, > preferrably in Europe or Asia, so that I can ship my deck for the repair > service? Thank you in advance. > > Best regards > > Hing > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From vqworks at yahoo.com Fri May 5 15:44:43 2006 From: vqworks at yahoo.com (Leonard Wong) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 06:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480Z Issue Pt 2 In-Reply-To: <445B4B86.9020809@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060505134443.55419.qmail@web33211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have to agree about the use of distilled water. According to magazine articles and my own experience, the usual 91% (or higher) isopropyl alcohol is safe for cleaning the entire tape path. For users with deeper pockets and who are feeling adventurous, vodka should also be a good cleaner (probably even better than the 91% alcohol). It cleans effectively, leaves no residue, and evaporates very fast. These are the same general traits of isopropyl alcohol. If you're concerned about how the pinch roller will react to this chemical then a cleaner specifically designed for the rubber in pinch rollers will do the trick. But worn pinch rollers, especially ones that are already very glazed, can be a challenge if you're trying to remove the oxide band. In such a case, it's probably best to look for new replacements altogether. Otherwise, you may have to be gentle during the cleaning processs to reduce wear even further. By the time you remove the brown band on a glazed roller, the roller may really lose its ability to grip the tape against the capstan. I think Ron's suggestion about the pinch rollers spring-loaded arms is a good one that I've never heard before. The pressure is really initiated by the springs so it is good to check whether the springs have lost their force. Len Ron wrote: Distilled water is not the best solvent in the world. I use some kind of alcohol and in extreme cases, even stronger solvents. During the course of routine cleaning, the swabs get less and less dirty during several passes and the rollers eventually become deep, flat black. During cleaning I also check pinch roller arms for free movement and good spring action. This is important. -- Ron a rl wrote: > Hello again, > > I just finished cleaning my 480Z's pinch roller tyres, > capstan shafts, and tape guides, with cotton swabs > dipped in distilled water. Funny thing is, after > cleaning these areas, my cotton swabs did not get very > dirty like Marc described; the only place I noticed > any brown specs was on the tape guides, especially on > the one to the right as one looks into the tape well! > The pinch roller tyres looked like they were worn, > because I could see where the tape, while rubbing > against them, had left a path on the tyres themselves. > I didn't notice any brown on my swabs after cleaning > them though. The capstan shafts appeared cleanest of > all. > > The areas I swabbed are drying now, so I haven't > tested playback yet. > > Should I just opt for replacing the tyres? Bala > replied to my earlier post and said he sold them for > $5, but when I sent him an email requesting > information, I never heard back from him. > > Thanks in advance for all your help.... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 6 14:40:15 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 08:40:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: printing PDF files. Message-ID: <445C992F.4040104@rcn.com> Hi, I apologize for the OT subject. Past experience has shown that email lists offer a huge pool of knowledge. I just got a service manual in PDF format. Each schematics was stored as two separate letter size (8-1/2" x 11") pages. In the past, I would have printed each page, then cut and paste the printed pages to make one complete 11" x 17" schematic. I now have a printer that can print 11" x 17" sheets. Is there a PDF application that will let me cut and paste the required page, so I can print the large page directly? Thanks in advance for any help, -- Ron From tomas at tlec.se Sat May 6 23:54:09 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 23:54:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: printing PDF files. In-Reply-To: <445C992F.4040104@rcn.com> Message-ID: Import the pages to Corel Draw or similar, there you can paste them together and export them to pdf again. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:40 PM > To: NakTalk; Heathkit List > Subject: [naktalk] OT: printing PDF files. > > Hi, > > I apologize for the OT subject. Past experience has shown > that email lists offer a huge pool of knowledge. > > I just got a service manual in PDF format. Each schematics > was stored as two separate letter size (8-1/2" x 11") pages. > In the past, I would have printed each page, then cut and > paste the printed pages to make one complete 11" x 17" schematic. > > I now have a printer that can print 11" x 17" sheets. > Is there a PDF application that will let me cut and paste the > required page, so I can print the large page directly? > > > Thanks in advance for any help, > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From luis at peromarta.org Sun May 7 21:28:22 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 21:28:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 playback head wiring problem? In-Reply-To: <20060501110436.55279.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060501110436.55279.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <445E4A56.4060104@peromarta.org> Solved! I took some pictures of the new soldering. I cut laike an inch or so of the original wiring, and looks like the problem was there somewhere. http://peromarta.org/naks/CR7_ph_wiring.html Best rgds, LP. kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Luis > Generally nothing happens to the head - extremely rare if anything > happens though. head wiring acnnot be very heavy or rigid as that may > make the head alignment to shift during any head block movement. Better > to carefully examine the wiring and find where the break is. Just > resolder the break leaving the original head wiring intact. > Kannan > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > I just discovered a fault in my recently calibrated CR7. While playing > back a tape, when you adjust azimuth position, there are some points at > which the right channel "disconnects", sounds muffled and very low. > > While troubleshooting, I tried moving a little the plyaback head > wiring, > very near the head, and appartently it fixed the sound. Some other day, > again, when adjusting azimuth, same thing happened. > > I wonder If it would be the head wiring, or maybe the soldering at the > head, or the head itself. Any hints or experiences? > > If I was to replade the head wiring, what should I use? I think Stephen > Sank used to replace these cables, but I can't recall what he used. > > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon May 8 15:32:55 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:32:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Enquiry after talking to Steve at Bowers] Message-ID: <15095.212.78.164.66.1147095175.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I received this mail today and it may be interesting to Dean's efforts to have RX covers made and who knows other parts as well! Wouter ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Enquiry after talking to Steve at Bowers From: "Gmail" Date: Mon, May 8, 2006 15:13 To: naktalk-owner at naks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, I have been talking to Steve from Bowers in respect of obtaining a perspex cassette cover for my RX505, currently they have none, do you know where i can obtain such a thing? I am closely linked to a plastics company and will have some made if there is a supply problem? Many thanks Gracy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Mon May 8 20:21:55 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:21:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX covers made-Enquiry after talking to Steve at Bowers] Message-ID: <2ae.42e628e.3190e643@aol.com> Thanks Wouter. I'm going to see a plastic company this week but if someone has a closer connection I would be willing to work with them on covers for both the RX-202 and RX-505 type. Maybe I cold get Gracy's contact info? Regards, Dean received this mail today and it may be interesting to Dean's efforts to have RX covers made and who knows other parts as well! Wouter ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Enquiry after talking to Steve at Bowers From: "Gmail" Date: Mon, May 8, 2006 15:13 To: naktalk-owner at naks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, I have been talking to Steve from Bowers in respect of obtaining a perspex cassette cover for my RX505, currently they have none, do you know where i can obtain such a thing? I am closely linked to a plastics company and will have some made if there is a supply problem? Many thanks Gracy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Mon May 8 20:32:22 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:32:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX covers made-Enquiry after talking to Steve at Bowers] Message-ID: <36b.38ccaf7.3190e8b6@aol.com> It just so happens I got a call from the plastics factory and was refereed to another company for injection molding. This is a cheap process but the mold is expensive even if made in China for the cheapest rate. If someone has an in with an injection company please speak up now or could get the molds made in China cheap. If not we are lost. Dean In a message dated 5/8/2006 2:23:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, N4229K at aol.com writes: Thanks Wouter. I'm going to see a plastic company this week but if someone has a closer connection I would be willing to work with them on covers for both the RX-202 and RX-505 type. Maybe I cold get Gracy's contact info? Regards, Dean received this mail today and it may be interesting to Dean's efforts to have RX covers made and who knows other parts as well! Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Mon May 8 19:43:07 2006 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20060508174307.90190.qmail@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, I was thinking about trying to put a Nak cassette deck in my vehicle, but was wanting to know some more info. I was looking at a TD1 and a TD500 currently on ebay. I'm assuming the TD1 is a much later model since it has CD changer controls. Does that mean it's garbage? Can you find the changer that goes with it? Anyone know if the TD500 has an aux in? It really needs to have that before I would consider it. Also, can you run these with any external amps, or do you need specific ones? Thanks in advance for any info. Jesse From ady at spamcop.net Mon May 8 21:51:53 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:51:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680 / classic transport lubrication areas.. Message-ID: hi.. I've recently managed to 'unstick' one of the pinch rollers on my 680... (just for the record it appeared to be more than just hardened grease, it seemed like corrosion of two dissimilar metals had caused it to stick and not pivot upwards correctly.) I've also replaced the cam drive belt and the counter belts all of which were loose. This deck has had very little use for at least 15 years, having been stored. What else should I / could I safely lubricate while I've got the transport out? I have some of that black 'everlasting' grease supplied for VCR's etc and a tube of the Prolong precision oil. thanks adrian From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Mon May 8 23:33:13 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:33:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Enquiry after talking to Steve at Bowers] References: <15095.212.78.164.66.1147095175.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002f01c672e7$035c99d0$5f5fb251@homeduron1300> There certainly is a supply problem. Many 505's are ex studio or copy decks and I bet the first thing to be done when setting them up was to ditch the plastic cover. So there are many 505's around without covers. I got two via eBay at vast expense (around £40 each). On the other hand the market is still relatively small, in a dwindling cassette market, so there will be little money to be made from manufacturing them. In fact you might end up having to sell them for about £40 just to break even. At least they would be available though. I wish you well. David Edwards ----- Original Message ----- From: Wouter Heijke To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Enquiry after talking to Steve at Bowers] I received this mail today and it may be interesting to Dean's efforts to have RX covers made and who knows other parts as well! Wouter ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Enquiry after talking to Steve at Bowers From: "Gmail" Date: Mon, May 8, 2006 15:13 To: naktalk-owner at naks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, I have been talking to Steve from Bowers in respect of obtaining a perspex cassette cover for my RX505, currently they have none, do you know where i can obtain such a thing? I am closely linked to a plastics company and will have some made if there is a supply problem? Many thanks Gracy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Tue May 9 00:56:40 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:56:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <20060508174307.90190.qmail@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060508174307.90190.qmail@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060508183207.030d99a0@pop.videotron.ca> At 13:43 05/08/2006, you wrote: >Hello, I was thinking about trying to put a Nak >cassette deck in my vehicle, but was wanting to know >some more info. I was looking at a TD1 and a TD500 >currently on ebay. I'm assuming the TD1 is a much >later model since it has CD changer controls. Does >that mean it's garbage? Can you find the changer that >goes with it? Anyone know if the TD500 has an aux in? > It really needs to have that before I would consider >it. Also, can you run these with any external amps, >or do you need specific ones? Thanks in advance for >any info. >Jesse Hi Jesse, I have owned in the past both the TD-500 (late 80s) and the Mobile TunerDeck 1 (early 90s). Both feature adjustable azimuth. TD-500 is a great cassette player. Radio section is only so-so. It does not have an auxiliary input. If you find the CA-101 control amplifier which you can mount under dash, then you can feed your TD-500 into it and add other sources such as a CD changer. TD-500 needs an external amp. External amp can be any brand. Mobile TunerDeck 1 uses an inferior mechanism but it still sounds pretty good. I believe it uses a Cristalloy head like the better home decks. Radio section is allright. I believe the CD changer that was designed for it is called CDC-101. It uses the 10-disc Sony mechanism. Quite reliable. An outboard D/A converter was optional. It may also work with the more recent MB-7 which uses the 7-disc QuickChange Nak mechanism which is not so reliable. Mobile TunerDeck 1 was sold which a choice of sleeves, some of which incorporated an amplifier. If the unit you are looking at comes with the "preamp" sleeve rather an "amplifier" sleeve, then you will need an external amp. External amp can be any brand. Personal opinion: all these units are old now. I would not buy one today for my car. The car environment is a tough one and things get old quicker in your car than they do in your home. Your mileage may vary. Good luck. -Marc From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue May 9 00:06:15 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:06:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <20060508174307.90190.qmail@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jesse, You've made the right choice in wanting a Nak for the car, but they may be difficult to come by. I can't remember offhand about the TD-1, unless it is the MTD-1 which is what I have. The original car decks were the TD-500/700 series and the TD-500 is one fine deck, has adjustable azimuth but single capstan unlike the dual capstan of the TD-700. It doesn't have an aux input and is only a pre-amp so you need to run it with external amps like the PA-300/400 series if you want to keep it in the Nak family or any other car amps that has RCA inputs (basically almost all car amps will do). I have a TD-500, TD-700 but in the process of restoring them. Compared to my MTD-1, which has adjustable azimuth, CD changer control and aux input - I prefer the convenience of the MTD-1 to the TD-500/700. If the TD-1 is similar then you're better off getting it than the classic TD-500/700 series. From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue May 9 17:19:21 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060509151922.21608.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jesse, There are a few versions of the TD-500/TD-700. The US version (no letter) the D and the E did not have aux inputs. The TD-500C and TD-700C's have an Aux input. These units are rare though. Only marketed in Japan as far as I know. The D (or was it E) version for Europe had RDS which none of the other versions had. I personally had the TD-500 (US version). Fantastic tape section. The tuner is only so-so at best. My friend had the TD-700 and the double capstan did make a different. I could hear the tape speed jitter going over rough pavement, but, not to bad. Check out this guys car! http://www.kit.hi-ho.ne.jp/~gto_yama/caraudio/head/td700cltd.html TWO TD-700C in his double DIN slot. SJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 9 15:42:17 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:42:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <20060508174307.90190.qmail@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060509084217.00827be0@earthlink.net> I would disagree about the age issue and old car stereos. They need bulbs and belts, but otherwise there is little to wear out. If you enjoy cassettes in the car, there is no better way to get top performance. E Bay stuff is typically worse than described, so bid with the possible repair cost in mind. tom brucker At 10:43 AM 5/8/06 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, I was thinking about trying to put a Nak >cassette deck in my vehicle, but was wanting to know >some more info. I was looking at a TD1 and a TD500 >currently on ebay. I'm assuming the TD1 is a much >later model since it has CD changer controls. Does >that mean it's garbage? Can you find the changer that >goes with it? Anyone know if the TD500 has an aux in? > It really needs to have that before I would consider >it. Also, can you run these with any external amps, >or do you need specific ones? Thanks in advance for >any info. >Jesse >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rondo at nottltd.com Tue May 9 23:55:40 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:55:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks References: Message-ID: <032d01c673b3$504e5950$6401a8c0@Rondo> I had a TD-400 many years ago. It is also pre-amp only. It did sound very good but did not have all the features that the TD-500/700 had. Ron W. Subject: RE: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks Hi Jesse, You've made the right choice in wanting a Nak for the car, but they may be difficult to come by. I can't remember offhand about the TD-1, unless it is the MTD-1 which is what I have. The original car decks were the TD-500/700 series and the TD-500 is one fine deck, has adjustable azimuth but single capstan unlike the dual capstan of the TD-700. It doesn't have an aux input and is only a pre-amp so you need to run it with external amps like the PA-300/400 series if you want to keep it in the Nak family or any other car amps that has RCA inputs (basically almost all car amps will do). I have a TD-500, TD-700 but in the process of restoring them. Compared to my MTD-1, which has adjustable azimuth, CD changer control and aux input - I prefer the convenience of the MTD-1 to the TD-500/700. If the TD-1 is similar then you're better off getting it than the classic TD-500/700 series. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Wed May 10 01:32:14 2006 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <032d01c673b3$504e5950$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <20060509233214.17339.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, Thanks a lot for all the info. Anyone know anything about the TD-1200? Does that one have an aux in? Also, if I were to try and grab a TD-500/700, am I understanding you right in that the double capstan in the 700 is superior? Finally, could you simply plug one of these decks into another deck that has an aux input or is it more complicated than that? Thanks again, Jesse --- Ron Walton wrote: > I had a TD-400 many years ago. It is also pre-amp > only. It did sound very good but did not have all > the features that the TD-500/700 had. > > Ron W. > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks > > > > Hi Jesse, > > You've made the right choice in wanting a Nak for > the car, but they may be > difficult to come by. I can't remember offhand > about the TD-1, unless it is > the MTD-1 which is what I have. The original car > decks were the TD-500/700 > series and the TD-500 is one fine deck, has > adjustable azimuth but single > capstan unlike the dual capstan of the TD-700. It > doesn't have an aux input > and is only a pre-amp so you need to run it with > external amps like the > PA-300/400 series if you want to keep it in the > Nak family or any other car > amps that has RCA inputs (basically almost all car > amps will do). > > I have a TD-500, TD-700 but in the process of > restoring them. Compared to my > MTD-1, which has adjustable azimuth, CD changer > control and aux input - I > prefer the convenience of the MTD-1 to the > TD-500/700. If the TD-1 is > similar then you're better off getting it than the > classic TD-500/700 > series.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 10 14:02:58 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:02:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <20060509233214.17339.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <032d01c673b3$504e5950$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060510070258.00b40318@pop.earthlink.net> TD800s and 1200s are fine decks. The 1200 has the world's best tuner, too. I don't know about the aux in, but I suspect thy do. These very expensive units are probably rare. tom brucker At 04:32 PM 5/9/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Hey, Thanks a lot for all the info. Anyone know >anything about the TD-1200? Does that one have an aux >in? Also, if I were to try and grab a TD-500/700, am >I understanding you right in that the double capstan >in the 700 is superior? Finally, could you simply >plug one of these decks into another deck that has an >aux input or is it more complicated than that? Thanks >again, >Jesse > >--- Ron Walton wrote: > >> I had a TD-400 many years ago. It is also pre-amp >> only. It did sound very good but did not have all >> the features that the TD-500/700 had. >> >> Ron W. >> >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks >> >> >> >> Hi Jesse, >> >> You've made the right choice in wanting a Nak for >> the car, but they may be >> difficult to come by. I can't remember offhand >> about the TD-1, unless it is >> the MTD-1 which is what I have. The original car >> decks were the TD-500/700 >> series and the TD-500 is one fine deck, has >> adjustable azimuth but single >> capstan unlike the dual capstan of the TD-700. It >> doesn't have an aux input >> and is only a pre-amp so you need to run it with >> external amps like the >> PA-300/400 series if you want to keep it in the >> Nak family or any other car >> amps that has RCA inputs (basically almost all car >> amps will do). >> >> I have a TD-500, TD-700 but in the process of >> restoring them. Compared to my >> MTD-1, which has adjustable azimuth, CD changer >> control and aux input - I >> prefer the convenience of the MTD-1 to the >> TD-500/700. If the TD-1 is >> similar then you're better off getting it than the >> classic TD-500/700 >> series.> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From timbarrett at cox.net Wed May 10 14:23:34 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:23:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060510070258.00b40318@pop.earthlink.net> References: <032d01c673b3$504e5950$6401a8c0@Rondo> <3.0.3.32.20060510070258.00b40318@pop.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4461DB46.70208@cox.net> Unfortunately, the TD1200 does not have an auxuliary input. The TD-1200 is a fine machine but it requires a lot of room in the dash of the car. The head unit is a standard size with shafts and has an outboard box which contains the tuner, dolby, and switching logic. This outboard box is about the size of the head unit and is connected via two cables which are several feet long. The car antenna also plugs into this outboard box. I tried adding an auxiliary input to mine by disconnecting the AM tuner at the analog switch IC and adding RCA jacks for inputs at that point, which worked, but I had ground noise problems which were difficult to solve. Tom Brucker wrote: > TD800s and 1200s are fine decks. The 1200 has the world's best tuner, too. > I don't know about the aux in, but I suspect thy do. These very expensive > units are probably rare. > > tom brucker > > At 04:32 PM 5/9/2006 -0700, you wrote: > >> Hey, Thanks a lot for all the info. Anyone know >> anything about the TD-1200? Does that one have an aux >> in? Also, if I were to try and grab a TD-500/700, am >> I understanding you right in that the double capstan >> in the 700 is superior? Finally, could you simply >> plug one of these decks into another deck that has an >> aux input or is it more complicated than that? Thanks >> again, >> Jesse >> >> --- Ron Walton wrote: >> >> >>> I had a TD-400 many years ago. It is also pre-amp >>> only. It did sound very good but did not have all >>> the features that the TD-500/700 had. >>> >>> Ron W. >>> >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Jesse, >>> >>> You've made the right choice in wanting a Nak for >>> the car, but they may be >>> difficult to come by. I can't remember offhand >>> about the TD-1, unless it is >>> the MTD-1 which is what I have. The original car >>> decks were the TD-500/700 >>> series and the TD-500 is one fine deck, has >>> adjustable azimuth but single >>> capstan unlike the dual capstan of the TD-700. It >>> doesn't have an aux input >>> and is only a pre-amp so you need to run it with >>> external amps like the >>> PA-300/400 series if you want to keep it in the >>> Nak family or any other car >>> amps that has RCA inputs (basically almost all car >>> amps will do). >>> >>> I have a TD-500, TD-700 but in the process of >>> restoring them. Compared to my >>> MTD-1, which has adjustable azimuth, CD changer >>> control and aux input - I >>> prefer the convenience of the MTD-1 to the >>> TD-500/700. If the TD-1 is >>> similar then you're better off getting it than the >>> classic TD-500/700 >>> series.> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> Register your Nak today! >>> http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > Tom Brucker CSM > > A stereo can work, and it can play > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville TN 37211 > 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From paul_siuc at yahoo.com Wed May 10 19:32:26 2006 From: paul_siuc at yahoo.com (a rl) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] re Service Manuals... Message-ID: <20060510173226.63051.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello again, I've been thinking about trying to purchase a service manual for my 480Z since, after posting some of the issues I'm experiencing to this list, and getting impressive help, and thought it might be helpful. Are they worth purchasing? Anyone know a quality source for Nak service manuals? Thanks in advance for all your help, it's priceless... P __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ws407c at comcast.net Wed May 10 22:18:02 2006 From: ws407c at comcast.net (ws407c at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:18:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks Message-ID: <051020062018.12101.44624A7A000CF76200002F4522007358340CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> Just curious as to what is meant by double capstan on the mobile decks ? I have a TD-1200II and this deck sounds like a million bucks with the tape and the radio sounds , OK . The interesting thing is , it has 2 capstans but only one is used per direction and no pressure pad lifter. NAAC works flawlessly and I am quite happy with it . What about the original TD-1200 or any other of the TD series , do any of these other decks have "true" double capstan with the pressure pad lifter ? As far as manuals , techman777 on ebay sells superb reproductions of both owners and service. Dave ------------------------------------ Unfortunately, the TD1200 does not have an auxuliary input. The TD-1200 is a fine machine but it requires a lot of room in the dash of the car. The head unit is a standard size with shafts and has an outboard box which contains the tuner, dolby, and switching logic. This outboard box is about the size of the head unit and is connected via two cables which are several feet long. The car antenna also plugs into this outboard box. I tried adding an auxiliary input to mine by disconnecting the AM tuner at the analog switch IC and adding RCA jacks for inputs at that point, which worked, but I had ground noise problems which were difficult to solve. Tom Brucker wrote: > TD800s and 1200s are fine decks. The 1200 has the world's best tuner, too. > I don't know about the aux in, but I suspect thy do. These very expensive > units are probably rare. > > tom brucker > > At 04:32 PM 5/9/2006 -0700, you wrote: > >> Hey, Thanks a lot for all the info. Anyone know >> anything about the TD-1200? Does that one have an aux >> in? Also, if I were to try and grab a TD-500/700, am >> I understanding you right in that the double capstan >> in the 700 is superior? Finally, could you simply >> plug one of these decks into another deck that has an >> aux input or is it more complicated than that? Thanks >> again, >> Jesse >> >> --- Ron Walton wrote: >> >> >>> I had a TD-400 many years ago. It is also pre-amp >>> only. It did sound very good but did not have all >>> the features that the TD-500/700 had. >>> >>> Ron W. >>> >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Jesse, >>> >>> You've made the right choice in wanting a Nak for >>> the car, but they may be >>> difficult to come by. I can't remember offhand >>> about the TD-1, unless it is >>> the MTD-1 which is what I have. The original car >>> decks were the TD-500/700 >>> series and the TD-500 is one fine deck, has >>> adjustable azimuth but single >>> capstan unlike the dual capstan of the TD-700. It >>> doesn't have an aux input >>> and is only a pre-amp so you need to run it with >>> external amps like the >>> PA-300/400 series if you want to keep it in the >>> Nak family or any other car >>> amps that has RCA inputs (basically almost all car >>> amps will do). >>> >>> I have a TD-500, TD-700 but in the process of >>> restoring them. Compared to my >>> MTD-1, which has adjustable azimuth, CD changer >>> control and aux input - I >>> prefer the convenience of the MTD-1 to the >>> TD-500/700. If the TD-1 is >>> similar then you're better off getting it than the >>> classic TD-500/700 >>> series.> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed May 10 22:51:40 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:51:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re Service Manuals... In-Reply-To: <20060510173226.63051.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Paul! Here you can purchase a Service Manual! >As far as manuals , techman777 on ebay sells superb reproductions of both >owners and service.< Good Luck! ALEX! >From: a rl >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] re Service Manuals... >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:32:26 -0700 (PDT) > >Hello again, > >I've been thinking about trying to purchase a service >manual for my 480Z since, after posting some of the >issues I'm experiencing to this list, and getting >impressive help, and thought it might be helpful. > >Are they worth purchasing? Anyone know a quality >source for Nak service manuals? > >Thanks in advance for all your help, it's priceless... > >P > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Wed May 10 22:55:46 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] re Service Manuals... In-Reply-To: <20060510173226.63051.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060510205546.22964.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> There is a lot of original Nak service/owner manuals for sale on ebay recently. Go there and take a look. Mike a rl wrote: Hello again, I've been thinking about trying to purchase a service manual for my 480Z since, after posting some of the issues I'm experiencing to this list, and getting impressive help, and thought it might be helpful. Are they worth purchasing? Anyone know a quality source for Nak service manuals? Thanks in advance for all your help, it's priceless... P __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu May 11 06:01:52 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <051020062018.12101.44624A7A000CF76200002F4522007358340CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060511040152.48870.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The TD-700 is a true double capstan, but, does not use a pad lifter. The TD-560, TD-500, TD-400 and TD-300 all are single capstan. Not sure about the TD-800 and the TD-1000 though. I know the TD-1200 has two capstans, but, are you sure only one is engaged at a time. I thought it was like the Dragon where they change the speed of them depending on direction. I'll have to check my original service manual. Ok, I just checked and it uses a single motor to drive the two capstans which are coupled together with a belt so it can't be uses as a double capstan. You are right. The TD-1200 sounds fantastic (both tape and radio), but, I find it a pain to use and parts are impossible to find. A couple common problems with it are the front panel buttons break, the flex cable from the sliding transport to the stationary part of the deck is unreliable and a little gear which drives the takeup reel breaks causing a 'tat tat tat' sound. All of which cannot be purchased anymore as far as I know. SJ --- ws407c at comcast.net wrote: > Just curious as to what is meant by double capstan on the mobile > decks ? > > I have a TD-1200II and this deck sounds like a million bucks with > the tape and the radio sounds , OK . The interesting thing is , it > has 2 capstans but only one is used per direction and no pressure > pad lifter. NAAC works flawlessly and I am quite happy with it . > > What about the original TD-1200 or any other of the TD series , do > any of these other decks have "true" double capstan with the > pressure pad lifter ? > > As far as manuals , techman777 on ebay sells superb reproductions > of both owners and service. > > Dave > > > ------------------------------------ > > Unfortunately, the TD1200 does not have an auxuliary input. The > TD-1200 > is a fine machine but it requires a lot of room in the dash of the > car. > The head unit is a standard size with shafts and has an outboard > box > which contains the tuner, dolby, and switching logic. This > outboard box > is about the size of the head unit and is connected via two cables > which > are several feet long. The car antenna also plugs into this > outboard > box. I tried adding an auxiliary input to mine by disconnecting > the AM > tuner at the analog switch IC and adding RCA jacks for inputs at > that > point, which worked, but I had ground noise problems which were > difficult to solve. > > Tom Brucker wrote: > > TD800s and 1200s are fine decks. The 1200 has the world's best > tuner, too. > > I don't know about the aux in, but I suspect thy do. These very > expensive > > units are probably rare. > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 04:32 PM 5/9/2006 -0700, you wrote: > > > >> Hey, Thanks a lot for all the info. Anyone know > >> anything about the TD-1200? Does that one have an aux > >> in? Also, if I were to try and grab a TD-500/700, am > >> I understanding you right in that the double capstan > >> in the 700 is superior? Finally, could you simply > >> plug one of these decks into another deck that has an > >> aux input or is it more complicated than that? Thanks > >> again, > >> Jesse > >> > >> --- Ron Walton wrote: > >> > >> > >>> I had a TD-400 many years ago. It is also pre-amp > >>> only. It did sound very good but did not have all > >>> the features that the TD-500/700 had. > >>> > >>> Ron W. > >>> > >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi Jesse, > >>> > >>> You've made the right choice in wanting a Nak for > >>> the car, but they may be > >>> difficult to come by. I can't remember offhand > >>> about the TD-1, unless it is > >>> the MTD-1 which is what I have. The original car > >>> decks were the TD-500/700 > >>> series and the TD-500 is one fine deck, has > >>> adjustable azimuth but single > >>> capstan unlike the dual capstan of the TD-700. It > >>> doesn't have an aux input > >>> and is only a pre-amp so you need to run it with > >>> external amps like the > >>> PA-300/400 series if you want to keep it in the > >>> Nak family or any other car > >>> amps that has RCA inputs (basically almost all car > >>> amps will do). > >>> > >>> I have a TD-500, TD-700 but in the process of > >>> restoring them. Compared to my > >>> MTD-1, which has adjustable azimuth, CD changer > >>> control and aux input - I > >>> prefer the convenience of the MTD-1 to the > >>> TD-500/700. If the TD-1 is > >>> similar then you're better off getting it than the > >>> classic TD-500/700 > >>> series.> > >>> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu May 11 06:17:47 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] re Service Manuals... In-Reply-To: <20060510173226.63051.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060511041747.55235.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The 480Z manual is one of the better ones. 62 pages with 21 foldout pages. Lots of diagrams, theory of operations, detailed mechanical and electrical adjustment sections. I would highly recommend getting it, but, hold out for an original. Most copies don't reproduce the half toning in the PC board pictures well or voltage measurement on the schematic which are in blue. I have original service manuals for this as well as the TD-300, TD-500, TD-700, TD-1200, PA-350, 660ZX, ST-7, MR-1, 730 receiver, Dragon CT, EC-200, EC-200H, PA-150, LA-50, PA-300, PA-350, PA-400M, SP-400 and T-100 (provisional only). Of these I enjoy reading the 730 the most. Very detailed with lots of theory of operation. SJ --- a rl wrote: > Hello again, > > I've been thinking about trying to purchase a service > manual for my 480Z since, after posting some of the > issues I'm experiencing to this list, and getting > impressive help, and thought it might be helpful. > > Are they worth purchasing? Anyone know a quality > source for Nak service manuals? > > Thanks in advance for all your help, it's priceless... > > P > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Thu May 11 01:13:29 2006 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:13:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Revox B710 Message-ID: Sorry to go off Nak but I recently bought this machine dead in the water. After a quick fiddle with numerous multi-plugs which connect various PCBs, it burst into life and made some nice recordings. Although recordings seem not quite in the class of my ZX7, it was pretty good, and I have not aligned the heads yet. It has nice ergonomics, battleship build and mike sockets, however, something I could do with on a Nak. Opinions welcomed. However, it seems not to play/record on occasions. On powering up, the left capstan stops after a few revolutions and a relay audibly clicks and shuts down the take up reel. There is no sign of wear at all on this capstan, - because there is no pinch wheel on the capstan! So it looks as if the machine has for some time worked off the rhs capstan. It will sometimes play/record off one capstan but mostly the load on the right capstan shuts it off. Any suggestions? The flywheel revolves OK if a little stiffer than the right. It could be this but I suspect either a duff motor or a voltage supply problem, or even somewhere a breakdown in the power supply. Anyone got any suggestions or access to a service manual? -- Regards John Chapman From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu May 11 08:47:30 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:47:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks Message-ID: <7850688F-6E9D-4F7E-857A-1491134A5258@alumni.caltech.edu> > Ok, I just checked and it uses a single motor to drive the > two capstans which are coupled together with a belt so it can't be > uses as a double capstan. Not to disagree with the main point of this post (i.e., that the TD-1200 is really a single capstan machine but symmetric in both directions), but the above doesn't necessarily mean it can't be auto-reverse with true double capstan, no? The Teac X-series open-reel decks use this kind of double capstan; the auto reverse tension change is done by have the drive belt shift forwards or backwards and the capstan pulleys are constructed so that the parts that are larger (the "slower" capstan) and smaller ("faster" capstan) are reversed front-to-back for the two capstan pulleys. Granted this would be more difficult in a portable-sized machine, but perhaps not impossible.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu May 11 09:49:58 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:49:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] re Service Manuals... In-Reply-To: <20060511041747.55235.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060510173226.63051.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060511041747.55235.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25210.212.78.164.66.1147333798.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I can only agree with Scott. Originals are what you need. Copies and scanned digital copies often have badly scanned schematics. I still have some scanned Nak service manuals somewhere that were done in 2 colors (black and white), imagine what this does to these schematics... useless. The 480Z manual can be found on ebay for a fair price if you have the time to wait for one.. at least I found my original copy there! Wouter > The 480Z manual is one of the better ones. 62 pages with 21 foldout > pages. Lots of diagrams, theory of operations, detailed mechanical > and electrical adjustment sections. I would highly recommend getting > it, but, hold out for an original. Most copies don't reproduce the > half toning in the PC board pictures well or voltage measurement on > the schematic which are in blue. I have original service manuals for > this as well as the TD-300, TD-500, TD-700, TD-1200, PA-350, 660ZX, > ST-7, MR-1, 730 receiver, Dragon CT, EC-200, EC-200H, PA-150, LA-50, > PA-300, PA-350, PA-400M, SP-400 and T-100 (provisional only). Of > these I enjoy reading the 730 the most. Very detailed with lots of > theory of operation. > > SJ > > --- a rl wrote: > >> Hello again, >> >> I've been thinking about trying to purchase a service >> manual for my 480Z since, after posting some of the >> issues I'm experiencing to this list, and getting >> impressive help, and thought it might be helpful. >> >> Are they worth purchasing? Anyone know a quality >> source for Nak service manuals? >> >> Thanks in advance for all your help, it's priceless... >> >> P From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu May 11 10:09:28 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:09:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals Message-ID: <6699.212.78.164.66.1147334968.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> ... I was recently contacted by someone from Nakamichi Singapore, actually it was the first time I got a response from Nakamichi at all in all the years. The contact seemed promising, this guy promised to have his people scan all the manuals for use by us and more... So far he made many promises and I haven't seen anything! Let's hope I was wrong. Wouter From ws407c at comcast.net Thu May 11 12:22:54 2006 From: ws407c at comcast.net (ws407c at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:22:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks Message-ID: <051120061022.6597.4463107E0004F269000019C522064246130CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> Thank's for the replies ! I have verified that my TD-1200II uses a single capstan per direction by directly viewing the mechanism while it is operating. Also , the two capstan posts are the same diameter. I would like to get a confirmation on the TD-700 and if it really is double capstan and if it is asymmetrical. Dave From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 11 13:10:38 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:10:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] That "BX-300E" smell Message-ID: <20060511111038.96705.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Years ago, when you bought a new piece of audio gear there was always that "new gear" smell, in the same way that owners of new cars get the "new car" smell (that people seem to either love or loathe). My recently-acquired BX-300E still has that smell. The previous (first) owner states that he never used it much but in 20 years I'd expect that "warmed up" smell to have gone. Personally I like the smell but it does become very noticeable even when windows are open and fresh air is coming in. I've started to wonder if one or more components could be running hot. If a driveshaft was binding somewhere I expect I'd hear it or the transport stability would suffer, but neither of these applies. The deck is in an open-backed cabinet and well ventilated and the smell is apparent in less than 30 minutes normal tape replay (ie no fast winding or cueing up). Have any Nak owners experienced the same thing with this or other decks? Chris From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu May 11 13:38:16 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:38:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] That "BX-300E" smell Message-ID: Hi Chris! WELCOME...to the "Smell" issue!!!! It's possible, as occur with my gifted 20 years un-used Dragon, ONLY...that such "Smell" as you named was sense when I open the cassette chamber for change the already played cassette, pass away after near a week of "Regularly" use (3-4 both sides cassettes of 100 minutes each one!). Today NO more smell. What ever...check that maybe something commence to go WRONG!!! Good luck! ALEX! >From: Chris Mann >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] That "BX-300E" smell >Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:10:38 +0100 (BST) > >Years ago, when you bought a new piece of audio gear >there was always that "new gear" smell, in the same >way that owners of new cars get the "new car" smell >(that people seem to either love or loathe). > >My recently-acquired BX-300E still has that smell. The >previous (first) owner states that he never used it >much but in 20 years I'd expect that "warmed up" smell >to have gone. > >Personally I like the smell but it does become very >noticeable even when windows are open and fresh air is >coming in. I've started to wonder if one or more >components could be running hot. If a driveshaft was >binding somewhere I expect I'd hear it or the >transport stability would suffer, but neither of these >applies. > >The deck is in an open-backed cabinet and well >ventilated and the smell is apparent in less than 30 >minutes normal tape replay (ie no fast winding or >cueing up). > >Have any Nak owners experienced the same thing with >this or other decks? > >Chris > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 11 14:40:22 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:40:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox B710 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446330B6.5070007@rcn.com> John Chapman wrote: > Sorry to go off Nak but I recently bought this machine dead in the > water. After a quick fiddle with numerous multi-plugs which connect > various PCBs, it burst into life and made some nice recordings. Although > recordings seem not quite in the class of my ZX7, it was pretty good, > and I have not aligned the heads yet. It has nice ergonomics, battleship > build and mike sockets, however, something I could do with on a Nak. > Opinions welcomed. > > However, it seems not to play/record on occasions. On powering up, the > left capstan stops after a few revolutions and a relay audibly clicks > and shuts down the take up reel. There is no sign of wear at all on this > capstan, - because there is no pinch wheel on the capstan! No pinch roller???? Are you sure? IIRC (which I may not), there is one on each side. -- Ron So it looks > as if the machine has for some time worked off the rhs capstan. It will > sometimes play/record off one capstan but mostly the load on the right > capstan shuts it off. Any suggestions? The flywheel revolves OK if a > little stiffer than the right. It could be this but I suspect either a > duff motor or a voltage supply problem, or even somewhere a breakdown in > the power supply. > > Anyone got any suggestions or access to a service manual? From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu May 11 14:52:51 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:52:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] That "BX-300E" smell Message-ID: Hi Chris, Yes, I have this "new deck" smell with my quarter of a century old 480Z. I'm certain nothing bad is happening. It is a very similar smell to my one-fifth of a century old Alpage AL-50. It's a great smell - better than Ted Lapidus and maybe on a par with Christian Dior's Eau Sauvage. No, seriously, Chris. I think they should flog that aroma in aerosols. Maybe it's the rubber parts, but I've never figured it out. Rest assured though - it's not that your machine is self-cremating or anything. I'm sure of that. Best - Marc >>> cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk 5/11/2006 1:10:38 PM >>> Years ago, when you bought a new piece of audio gear there was always that "new gear" smell, in the same way that owners of new cars get the "new car" smell (that people seem to either love or loathe). My recently-acquired BX-300E still has that smell. The previous (first) owner states that he never used it much but in 20 years I'd expect that "warmed up" smell to have gone. Personally I like the smell but it does become very noticeable even when windows are open and fresh air is coming in. I've started to wonder if one or more components could be running hot. If a driveshaft was binding somewhere I expect I'd hear it or the transport stability would suffer, but neither of these applies. The deck is in an open-backed cabinet and well ventilated and the smell is apparent in less than 30 minutes normal tape replay (ie no fast winding or cueing up). Have any Nak owners experienced the same thing with this or other decks? Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 11 15:44:32 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:44:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <051120061022.6597.4463107E0004F269000019C522064246130CC9CF CB9C99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060511084432.00819980@earthlink.net> TD700 is closed loop dual capstan. I have Winniepoohs in front of me! tom brucker At 10:22 AM 5/11/06 +0000, you wrote: >Thank's for the replies ! > >I have verified that my TD-1200II uses a single capstan per direction by directly viewing the mechanism while it is operating. Also , the two capstan posts are the same diameter. > >I would like to get a confirmation on the TD-700 and if it really is double capstan and if it is asymmetrical. > >Dave > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 11 15:42:19 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:42:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: <6699.212.78.164.66.1147334968.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060511084219.00819530@earthlink.net> Wouter, I have all the manuals, but no scanner and little time. If you are interested, and there is a trustworthy NakTalk volunteer, I will send my manuals out for scanning. I need only the assurance that they be returned in a timely manner. The scanning will be a huge job, and the .pdf files will be quite large for each manual. Nakamichi never scrimps on paper. Fold out schematics are best done with an 11 x 17 scanner. Wouter, the server would need to handle 40 MB downloads with ease. I would even recommend some sort of hoop to jump through to download. tom brucker At 10:09 AM 5/11/06 +0200, you wrote: >... > >I was recently contacted by someone from Nakamichi Singapore, actually it >was the first time I got a response from Nakamichi at all in all the >years. >The contact seemed promising, this guy promised to have his people scan >all the manuals for use by us and more... > >So far he made many promises and I haven't seen anything! > >Let's hope I was wrong. > >Wouter > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From luis at peromarta.org Thu May 11 16:06:35 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:06:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060511084219.00819530@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060511084219.00819530@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <446344EB.60909@peromarta.org> I could provide some bandwidth, and maybe others could do that too. Say I can handle half a dozen manuals, and host them in my server. It may help ;) rgds, LP. Hi Tech wrote: > Wouter, > I have all the manuals, but no scanner and little time. If you are > interested, and there is a trustworthy NakTalk volunteer, I will send my > manuals out for scanning. I need only the assurance that they be returned > in a timely manner. The scanning will be a huge job, and the .pdf files > will be quite large for each manual. Nakamichi never scrimps on paper. Fold > out schematics are best done with an 11 x 17 scanner. Wouter, the server > would need to handle 40 MB downloads with ease. I would even recommend > some sort of > hoop to jump through to download. > > tom brucker > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu May 11 16:27:42 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:27:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: <446344EB.60909@peromarta.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20060511084219.00819530@earthlink.net> <446344EB.60909@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <11434.212.78.164.66.1147357662.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Good to hear this news! Bandwith is not the first problem, we could provide bittorrent links for distributed downloads. The main issue in my opinion is the (quality) scanning (man) power that needs to be done, and service manuals are a real pain to scan good. And then the glued 'big blue' manuals are more difficult to scan also with the risc of pages getting loosened. Wouter > I could provide some bandwidth, and maybe others could do that too. Say > I can handle half a dozen manuals, and host them in my server. It may > help ;) > > rgds, LP. > > Hi Tech wrote: >> Wouter, >> I have all the manuals, but no scanner and little time. If you are >> interested, and there is a trustworthy NakTalk volunteer, I will send my >> manuals out for scanning. I need only the assurance that they be >> returned >> in a timely manner. The scanning will be a huge job, and the .pdf >> files >> will be quite large for each manual. Nakamichi never scrimps on paper. >> Fold >> out schematics are best done with an 11 x 17 scanner. Wouter, the >> server >> would need to handle 40 MB downloads with ease. I would even recommend >> some sort of >> hoop to jump through to download. >> >> tom brucker From luis at peromarta.org Thu May 11 16:37:21 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:37:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: <11434.212.78.164.66.1147357662.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <3.0.3.32.20060511084219.00819530@earthlink.net> <446344EB.60909@peromarta.org> <11434.212.78.164.66.1147357662.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <44634C21.2030109@peromarta.org> Before we start scanning, shouldn't we make sure which manuals are already scanned (quite a few of them) and the quality of them? I have downloaded the 550 and 1000zxl and both are good quality (say 4 out of 5). Certainly, the 1000zxl is one of the largest at 70MB!! Someone should arrange all of them (or links to them, or bittorrents or whatever) in a single site. (naks.com? ;) ) Wouter Heijke wrote: > Good to hear this news! > Bandwith is not the first problem, we could provide bittorrent links for > distributed downloads. The main issue in my opinion is the (quality) > scanning (man) power that needs to be done, and service manuals are a real > pain to scan good. > And then the glued 'big blue' manuals are more difficult to scan also with > the risc of pages getting loosened. > > Wouter > From tomas at tlec.se Thu May 11 16:49:44 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:49:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060511084219.00819530@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Well, my server is allways avvaible for downloads, there is virtually no limit how much I can store on it. Basically if I need more storage, I'l add another HD. The only limit I have, is the bandwidth, currently capped at 200 kb/s. If you get the manuals to me, I'll make them avaible. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:42 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals > > Wouter, > I have all the manuals, but no scanner and little time. If > you are interested, and there is a trustworthy NakTalk > volunteer, I will send my manuals out for scanning. I need > only the assurance that they be returned > in a timely manner. The scanning will be a huge job, and > the .pdf files > will be quite large for each manual. Nakamichi never scrimps > on paper. Fold > out schematics are best done with an 11 x 17 scanner. > Wouter, the server > would need to handle 40 MB downloads with ease. I would even > recommend > some sort of > hoop to jump through to download. > > tom brucker > > > At 10:09 AM 5/11/06 +0200, you wrote: > >... > > > >I was recently contacted by someone from Nakamichi > Singapore, actually > >it was the first time I got a response from Nakamichi at all > in all the > >years. > >The contact seemed promising, this guy promised to have his > people scan > >all the manuals for use by us and more... > > > >So far he made many promises and I haven't seen anything! > > > >Let's hope I was wrong. > > > >Wouter > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----====== > >=== > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu May 11 17:59:21 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Car Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <051120061022.6597.4463107E0004F269000019C522064246130CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060511155921.59902.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check the brochure. I have it on my web site. Go to my model list page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Model_List.html and scroll down to TD-700. There will be a link for the brochure. SJ --- ws407c at comcast.net wrote: > Thank's for the replies ! > > I have verified that my TD-1200II uses a single capstan per > direction by directly viewing the mechanism while it is operating. > Also , the two capstan posts are the same diameter. > > I would like to get a confirmation on the TD-700 and if it really > is double capstan and if it is asymmetrical. > > Dave > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu May 11 17:17:30 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:17:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4463558A.9060401@yahoo.ca> I have a few computers lying around, and a 3000/800 unlimited b/w connection. The only thing is that if I go over 100GB download, they put my connection with all the other multi-gig downloaders. (They have 2 networks -> One for normal users and one for persons that download a lot. I don't know if they do the same thing with uploads tho.) Tell me if it's interesting, I could setup a -small- server then (It has to be power-efficient tho). I just want to be able to upload data for other purposes tho. You can get quite small PDFs by putting them in monochrome : I scanned 80 pages (We're able to read them!) and it's 6MBs. The only problem is that my scanner is only a bit larger than 8½" x 11". What about taking pictures with a digital camera? Tomas Larsson a écrit : > Well, my server is allways avvaible for downloads, there is virtually no > limit how much I can store on it. Basically if I need more storage, I'l add > another HD. > > The only limit I have, is the bandwidth, currently capped at 200 kb/s. > If you get the manuals to me, I'll make them avaible. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Hi Tech >> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:42 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals >> >> Wouter, >> I have all the manuals, but no scanner and little time. If >> you are interested, and there is a trustworthy NakTalk >> volunteer, I will send my manuals out for scanning. I need >> only the assurance that they be returned >> in a timely manner. The scanning will be a huge job, and >> the .pdf files >> will be quite large for each manual. Nakamichi never scrimps >> on paper. Fold >> out schematics are best done with an 11 x 17 scanner. >> Wouter, the server >> would need to handle 40 MB downloads with ease. I would even >> recommend >> some sort of >> hoop to jump through to download. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> At 10:09 AM 5/11/06 +0200, you wrote: >> >>> ... >>> >>> I was recently contacted by someone from Nakamichi >>> >> Singapore, actually >> >>> it was the first time I got a response from Nakamichi at all >>> >> in all the >> >>> years. >>> The contact seemed promising, this guy promised to have his >>> >> people scan >> >>> all the manuals for use by us and more... >>> >>> So far he made many promises and I haven't seen anything! >>> >>> Let's hope I was wrong. >>> >>> Wouter From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu May 11 17:22:53 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:22:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] That "BX-300E" smell In-Reply-To: <20060511111038.96705.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060511111038.96705.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <446356CD.5040902@yahoo.ca> Both of my BX-2s smell like new gear. A lot more when the covers are open. When they work, they smell more like new gear. My Superscope CD-330 smells like new gear quite a lot also. Chris Mann a écrit : > Years ago, when you bought a new piece of audio gear > there was always that "new gear" smell, in the same > way that owners of new cars get the "new car" smell > (that people seem to either love or loathe). > > My recently-acquired BX-300E still has that smell. The > previous (first) owner states that he never used it > much but in 20 years I'd expect that "warmed up" smell > to have gone. > > Personally I like the smell but it does become very > noticeable even when windows are open and fresh air is > coming in. I've started to wonder if one or more > components could be running hot. If a driveshaft was > binding somewhere I expect I'd hear it or the > transport stability would suffer, but neither of these > applies. > > The deck is in an open-backed cabinet and well > ventilated and the smell is apparent in less than 30 > minutes normal tape replay (ie no fast winding or > cueing up). > > Have any Nak owners experienced the same thing with > this or other decks? > > Chris From luis at peromarta.org Thu May 11 18:06:42 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:06:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44636112.5040000@peromarta.org> I don't expect to have traffic for Nak Service Manuals that high !! Tomas Larsson wrote: > Well, my server is allways avvaible for downloads, there is virtually no > limit how much I can store on it. Basically if I need more storage, I'l add > another HD. > > The only limit I have, is the bandwidth, currently capped at 200 kb/s. > If you get the manuals to me, I'll make them avaible. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 11 19:26:37 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:26:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: <44634C21.2030109@peromarta.org> References: <11434.212.78.164.66.1147357662.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <3.0.3.32.20060511084219.00819530@earthlink.net> <446344EB.60909@peromarta.org> <11434.212.78.164.66.1147357662.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060511122637.0081cb80@earthlink.net> I have about 80 manuals, almost a full file drawer, so this is no small task. I would assume that once news of this resource hits the world there will be a lot of download activity! To be realistic about this commitment requires some experience. I assume our NakTalk group server is not set to handle this much activity. tom brucker At 04:37 PM 5/11/06 +0200, you wrote: >Before we start scanning, shouldn't we make sure which manuals are >already scanned (quite a few of them) and the quality of them? > >I have downloaded the 550 and 1000zxl and both are good quality (say 4 >out of 5). Certainly, the 1000zxl is one of the largest at 70MB!! > >Someone should arrange all of them (or links to them, or bittorrents or >whatever) in a single site. (naks.com? ;) ) > > >Wouter Heijke wrote: >> Good to hear this news! >> Bandwith is not the first problem, we could provide bittorrent links for >> distributed downloads. The main issue in my opinion is the (quality) >> scanning (man) power that needs to be done, and service manuals are a real >> pain to scan good. >> And then the glued 'big blue' manuals are more difficult to scan also with >> the risc of pages getting loosened. >> >> Wouter >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 11 19:27:49 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:27:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20060511084219.00819530@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060511122749.00819600@earthlink.net> How does the world pay you, or is that necessary? tom brucker At 04:49 PM 5/11/06 +0200, you wrote: >Well, my server is allways avvaible for downloads, there is virtually no >limit how much I can store on it. Basically if I need more storage, I'l add >another HD. > >The only limit I have, is the bandwidth, currently capped at 200 kb/s. >If you get the manuals to me, I'll make them avaible. > >With best regards > >Tomas Larsson >Sweden >http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. > >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Hi Tech >> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:42 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals >> >> Wouter, >> I have all the manuals, but no scanner and little time. If >> you are interested, and there is a trustworthy NakTalk >> volunteer, I will send my manuals out for scanning. I need >> only the assurance that they be returned >> in a timely manner. The scanning will be a huge job, and >> the .pdf files >> will be quite large for each manual. Nakamichi never scrimps >> on paper. Fold >> out schematics are best done with an 11 x 17 scanner. >> Wouter, the server >> would need to handle 40 MB downloads with ease. I would even >> recommend >> some sort of >> hoop to jump through to download. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> At 10:09 AM 5/11/06 +0200, you wrote: >> >... >> > >> >I was recently contacted by someone from Nakamichi >> Singapore, actually >> >it was the first time I got a response from Nakamichi at all >> in all the >> >years. >> >The contact seemed promising, this guy promised to have his >> people scan >> >all the manuals for use by us and more... >> > >> >So far he made many promises and I haven't seen anything! >> > >> >Let's hope I was wrong. >> > >> >Wouter >> > >> > >> >========----------------------------------------------------- >> ----========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========----------------------------------------------------- >> ----========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========----------------------------------------------------- >> ----====== >> >=== >> > >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain >> your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From tomas at tlec.se Thu May 11 20:08:22 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:08:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: <44636112.5040000@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Current downloads from my sites is around 1GB a day. With my current config I can handle about twice that, meaning about 2GB a day without affecting the people downloading to much, and that is quite a lot actually. What will happen is that, as upload from my server increases, speed for individual uploads will decrease (total upload is the same), so it will take slightly longer time to download instead, but since most of the files is less than say 20-40 MB that wouldn't be noticed to much. So, I sure I would be able to store and handle all NAK manuals avaible now and in the future. Keep on scanning guys, and send it to me. There might be some delay before they shows up on my server, but the will get there. Since it is my private server, located in a cubboard at my home, I'm not affected by any ideas from any isp's regarding high volume traffic and so on. ( The only ones complaining is my kids, that's why I had to cap upload to 200 kb/s. My current connection is 8M/1M, uppgrading next month to 24M/1M (will probably end up at some 18/1 or so). With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem> -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:07 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals > > I don't expect to have traffic for Nak Service Manuals that high !! > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Well, my server is allways avvaible for downloads, there is > virtually > > no limit how much I can store on it. Basically if I need > more storage, > > I'l add another HD. > > > > The only limit I have, is the bandwidth, currently capped > at 200 kb/s. > > If you get the manuals to me, I'll make them avaible. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From flifton at mac.com Thu May 11 20:17:57 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:17:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Document scanning In-Reply-To: <200605111708.k4BH87Dm010033@zxe.naks.com> References: <200605111708.k4BH87Dm010033@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks Tom, for your amazingly generous offer. Perhaps the best way to handle this would be to make it a distributed task and have several list members do the scanning. It is perfectly possible to make a .pdf of a color document that is as sharp and legible as the original and that can handle larger format pages. It does take a fair amount of work stitching things in Photoshop, sharpening, adjusting, etc., but it can be done. I think it would be so great to have a complete online library of manuals. This is the kind of thing the internet was meant for! I would be willing to write up a little crib sheet with instructions for creating good scans , tips, best practices, etc. (I do a lot of this stuff for a living). That way there would be some uniformity to the manuals in the library. And, of course, I'm willing to do a few scans. I have a few manuals already. And I agree that we need to do an inventory to find out what we already have that is usable quality. Anyone? Fred From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu May 11 20:18:14 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:18:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] That "BX-300E" smell Message-ID: I think I know what smell you're talking about (does anyone remember Elmer Fudd as Rip Van Winkle waking up and reading how smellevision replaced television?), but it's not something I've ever noticed/associated with new equipment. I would guess this means new tape decks and other mechanical things, since the smell I think you might be noticing is some of the volatile components in lubricants that are used--I noticed it being stronger when one of my decks came back from service.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu May 11 20:24:23 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:24:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re Service Manuals... Message-ID: <7937671D-FEE8-4F18-BF71-F90840C28F5B@alumni.caltech.edu> I wouldn't expect going to [high quality] monochrome scans would affect the schematics as much as the board pictures which have finer gradations of grey to show the traces, although I think they are mostly dithered so in principle it shouldn't be impossible to get a good monochrome scan, I would think. The schematics do, however, have blue callouts of some voltages, and that would be lost in going to monochrome--not essential, but it does make reading it easier. As far as the scanning task, I agree with Wouter that the blue manuals would be a pain as they have many foldout pages as well as being bound. The only way to do the scanning "right" and relatively easily would be to destroy the binding on one, which means finding one that's already destroyed or someone willing to sacrifice one. The blue ones still have the punch holes, so in theory you could just not break the holes, but the binding does help the longevity of the holes.-kby From tomas at tlec.se Thu May 11 20:33:15 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:33:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060511122749.00819600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Well, I do it for fun, really. Getting about $0.30 a day from google for the adds. (Haven't got any money yet though). With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:28 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals > > How does the world pay you, or is that necessary? > > tom brucker > > At 04:49 PM 5/11/06 +0200, you wrote: > >Well, my server is allways avvaible for downloads, there is > virtually > >no limit how much I can store on it. Basically if I need > more storage, > >I'l add another HD. > > > >The only limit I have, is the bandwidth, currently capped at > 200 kb/s. > >If you get the manuals to me, I'll make them avaible. > > > >With best regards > > > >Tomas Larsson > >Sweden > >http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > >ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free > www.yousendit.com service. > > > >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Hi Tech > >> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:42 PM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals > >> > >> Wouter, > >> I have all the manuals, but no scanner and little time. > If you are > >> interested, and there is a trustworthy NakTalk volunteer, > I will send > >> my manuals out for scanning. I need only the assurance > that they be > >> returned > >> in a timely manner. The scanning will be a huge job, and > >> the .pdf files > >> will be quite large for each manual. Nakamichi never scrimps on > >> paper. Fold > >> out schematics are best done with an 11 x 17 scanner. > >> Wouter, the server > >> would need to handle 40 MB downloads with ease. I would even > >> recommend > >> some sort of > >> hoop to jump through to download. > >> > >> tom brucker > >> > >> > >> At 10:09 AM 5/11/06 +0200, you wrote: > >> >... > >> > > >> >I was recently contacted by someone from Nakamichi > >> Singapore, actually > >> >it was the first time I got a response from Nakamichi at all > >> in all the > >> >years. > >> >The contact seemed promising, this guy promised to have his > >> people scan > >> >all the manuals for use by us and more... > >> > > >> >So far he made many promises and I haven't seen anything! > >> > > >> >Let's hope I was wrong. > >> > > >> >Wouter > >> > > >> > > >> >========----------------------------------------------------- > >> ----========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> >========----------------------------------------------------- > >> ----========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your > >> >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> >========----------------------------------------------------- > >> ----====== > >> >=== > >> > > >> Tom Brucker CSM > >> Hi Tech Service > >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > >> Nashville, TN 37211 > >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >> ========------------------------------------------------------ > >> ---========= > >> Register your Nak today! > >> http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========------------------------------------------------------ > >> ---========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========------------------------------------------------------ > >> ---========= > >> > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----====== > >=== > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From timbarrett at cox.net Thu May 11 20:38:30 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:38:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Document scanning In-Reply-To: References: <200605111708.k4BH87Dm010033@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <446384A6.6010201@cox.net> Looks like it is approaching the time that we need to take stock of which manuals already have satisfactory scans and which ones remain to be done. I believe I've already sent all of my satisfactory scans to both Wouter and Tomas. If we all knew which manuals are lacking, we could negotiate who will do what. I have more manuals that I haven't scanned in yet. Tim Fred Lifton wrote: > Thanks Tom, for your amazingly generous offer. Perhaps the best way to > handle this would be to make it a distributed task and have several > list members do the scanning. It is perfectly possible to make a .pdf > of a color document that is as sharp and legible as the original and > that can handle larger format pages. It does take a fair amount of > work stitching things in Photoshop, sharpening, adjusting, etc., but > it can be done. I think it would be so great to have a complete online > library of manuals. This is the kind of thing the internet was meant for! > > I would be willing to write up a little crib sheet with instructions > for creating good scans , tips, best practices, etc. (I do a lot of > this stuff for a living). That way there would be some uniformity to > the manuals in the library. And, of course, I'm willing to do a few > scans. I have a few manuals already. > > And I agree that we need to do an inventory to find out what we > already have that is usable quality. Anyone? > > Fred > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From tomas at tlec.se Thu May 11 20:39:51 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:39:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] re Service Manuals... In-Reply-To: <7937671D-FEE8-4F18-BF71-F90840C28F5B@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: Just to clarify. My website www.naks.mine.nu has nothing to do with Wouters www.naks.com, more than we share a common interest. They are on different servers, in different countries, my is Sweden. So anything on my server would not affect anything on www.naks.com. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri May 12 00:54:27 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: <446384A6.6010201@cox.net> Message-ID: <20060511225427.72873.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, I'm finishing up the refurb of my ZX-7. I've replaced the control belt with SCQ4.8, shut-off belt with SCY9.0 and idler tire with one from Dean. Original pinch rollers look good after 7 swab with Intraclean S711. This morning I got a FRM9.2 belt for the capstan, but, before I replace that one I'm going to check the wow & flutter before and again after to see if the FRM9.2 belt is indeed compatible. On my web site http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html I say that this belt needs to be spot on and highly recommend that the original OC08096C belt be used or increased wow & flutter will result. Has anyone tried this belt and done measurements before and after? BTW - wow & flutter measurements will be taken with a genuine Nak test tape and a Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Fri May 12 00:32:59 2006 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:32:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Revox B710 (Ron) In-Reply-To: <200605111709.k4BH8i7x010043@zxe.naks.com> References: <200605111709.k4BH8i7x010043@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: >Ron Wrote > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:40:22 -0400 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox B710 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <446330B6.5070007 at rcn.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >John Chapman wrote: >> Sorry to go off Nak but I recently bought this machine dead in the >> water. After a quick fiddle with numerous multi-plugs which connect >> various PCBs, it burst into life and made some nice recordings. Although >> recordings seem not quite in the class of my ZX7, it was pretty good, >> and I have not aligned the heads yet. It has nice ergonomics, battleship >> build and mike sockets, however, something I could do with on a Nak. >> Opinions welcomed. >> >> However, it seems not to play/record on occasions. On powering up, the >> left capstan stops after a few revolutions and a relay audibly clicks >> and shuts down the take up reel. There is no sign of wear at all on this >> capstan, - because there is no pinch wheel on the capstan! > > >No pinch roller???? Are you sure? IIRC (which >I may not), there is one on each side. > >-- Ron > > > > So it looks >> as if the machine has for some time worked off the rhs capstan. It will >> sometimes play/record off one capstan but mostly the load on the right >> capstan shuts it off. Any suggestions? The flywheel revolves OK if a >> little stiffer than the right. It could be this but I suspect either a >> duff motor or a voltage supply problem, or even somewhere a breakdown in >> the power supply. >> >> Anyone got any suggestions or access to a service manual? > Yes Ron! Its like the car that pulls into the gas station without an engine. The left capstan looks brand new, like its never seen tape. Inside the casing, two spare pinch wheels, a circlip and a nylon washer are conveniently taped to the chassis! There are two capstans and two pinch wheel posts. When I fitted the second pinch wheel it had no effect on the performance. Any help would be appreciated -- Regards John Chapman Phoenix Design From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 12 02:57:14 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:57:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] That "BX-300E" smell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4463DD6A.2090607@rcn.com> My CR-7 doesn't have any special smell. Sounds excellent, though... Did you know you can buy a 'New Car Smell' spray can? -- Ron From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri May 12 07:08:58 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 05:08:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt Message-ID: Hi Scott! BTW...what you wrote here concerns also to my lovely Dragon? As I need to change the cams belt, I received one from an a superlative friend & member in our forum...exactly what he use in his ZX-9, if I'm NOT wrong (Same deck that Bleus/Graham own & enjoy). Thank you so much for your always erudite input! ALEX! >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt >Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:54:27 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi guys, > >I'm finishing up the refurb of my ZX-7. I've replaced the control >belt with SCQ4.8, shut-off belt with SCY9.0 and idler tire with one >from Dean. Original pinch rollers look good after 7 swab with >Intraclean S711. This morning I got a FRM9.2 belt for the capstan, >but, before I replace that one I'm going to check the wow & flutter >before and again after to see if the FRM9.2 belt is indeed >compatible. On my web site >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html I say that this >belt needs to be spot on and highly recommend that the original >OC08096C belt be used or increased wow & flutter will result. > >Has anyone tried this belt and done measurements before and after? > >BTW - wow & flutter measurements will be taken with a genuine Nak >test tape and a Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri May 12 09:36:02 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:36:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] sankyo play problem Message-ID: <8141.212.78.164.66.1147419362.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Received my first cassette deck yesterday, a 2. Actually I never saw one of these before and was surprised to see the front is actually very nice, not as 'plastic' as it appeared to me in images. It actually has a slight problem and since i'm still no Sankyo expert on problems i'd like to share it with you. What happens is that the deck forwards and rewinds well, but has problems staying in play. Sometimes it playes for 2 minutes but many times it stops sooner, sometimes 1 second, 2 seconds, 5 seconds, 20 seconds... Is this caused by the cam-motor like other Sankyo problems? Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri May 12 09:40:28 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:40:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] That "BX-300E" smell In-Reply-To: <4463DD6A.2090607@rcn.com> References: <4463DD6A.2090607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <17205.212.78.164.66.1147419628.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> The smell is priceless! All my decks smell like this more or less, the 700ZXE and 1000ZXL produce the most smell, but even the BX300 does smell! It actually appears more when they are warmed up a bit. Sometimes i play a tape, leave the house, come back and SMELL that i left my deck on while i was gone... Wouter > > My CR-7 doesn't have any special smell. Sounds > excellent, though... > > Did you know you can buy a 'New Car Smell' spray > can? > > -- Ron From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri May 12 10:43:20 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 01:43:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment Message-ID: <75886D42-2A10-465F-91D2-D4F04183BA28@alumni.caltech.edu> OK, maybe I'm just dense, or there's something obvious I don't know, but the procedure for checking using the track alignment tape doesn't make sense assuming it's basically just a quarter-track tape with a 1kHz tone recorded in quarter-track cassette format--is that what it is or is it something much different? The part that doesn't seem to make sense (and paraphrasing from Scott Johnson's 6xx page which is the same for all the classic machines) is that you adjust the height of the PB head so you get the minimum signal playing the 1kHz track alignment tape. Does it have stuff recorded only where things would NOT normally be recorded? If it were in the format mentioned in the first paragraph, wouldn't you at least in theory want the maximum signal (disregarding for the moment whether this would actually give the desired result to sufficient accuracy in practice)? Thanks in advance...-kby From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri May 12 13:29:22 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 04:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] sankyo play problem In-Reply-To: <8141.212.78.164.66.1147419362.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060512112922.24325.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter your cassette deck may have a problem with Reel drive motor - mostly needs replacement. This is from my experience. The play drive voltage is only about 3V while FF and Rew requires about 6V. This motor keeps failing at lower votage - could be dead spots problem like Cam mode motor Kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: Received my first cassette deck yesterday, a 2. Actually I never saw one of these before and was surprised to see the front is actually very nice, not as 'plastic' as it appeared to me in images. It actually has a slight problem and since i'm still no Sankyo expert on problems i'd like to share it with you. What happens is that the deck forwards and rewinds well, but has problems staying in play. Sometimes it playes for 2 minutes but many times it stops sooner, sometimes 1 second, 2 seconds, 5 seconds, 20 seconds... Is this caused by the cam-motor like other Sankyo problems? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri May 12 17:24:08 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: <75886D42-2A10-465F-91D2-D4F04183BA28@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060512152408.80910.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know, it sounds strange, but, it's not recorded like you think. The Nakamichi Track Alignment take is unlike any other. It's recorded with a single track right down the middle between the standard Left/Right tracks or it's recorded very wide and then carefully erased right down the middle of the left/right tracks. SJ --- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > OK, maybe I'm just dense, or there's something obvious I don't > know, > but the procedure for > checking using the track alignment tape doesn't make sense assuming > > it's basically just a quarter-track > tape with a 1kHz tone recorded in quarter-track cassette format--is > > that what it is or is it something > much different? > > The part that doesn't seem to make sense (and paraphrasing from > Scott > Johnson's 6xx page which > is the same for all the classic machines) is that you adjust the > height of the PB head so you get > the minimum signal playing the 1kHz track alignment tape. Does it > have stuff recorded only where > things would NOT normally be recorded? If it were in the format > mentioned in the first paragraph, > wouldn't you at least in theory want the maximum signal > (disregarding > for the moment whether > this would actually give the desired result to sufficient accuracy > in > practice)? > > Thanks in advance...-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri May 12 18:49:56 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: <20060512152408.80910.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060512164956.69972.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I should clarify a little that I don't exactly know where or how the signal is recorded on a Nak Track Alignment tape. This is my theory based on the fact that when the head is correctly aligned you get minimum output. If I had some of that magnetic fluid that is suppose to show where the signal is recorded I would try it. SJ --- Scott Johnson wrote: > I know, it sounds strange, but, it's not recorded like you think. > The Nakamichi Track Alignment take is unlike any other. It's > recorded with a single track right down the middle between the > standard Left/Right tracks or it's recorded very wide and then > carefully erased right down the middle of the left/right tracks. > > SJ > > --- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > > OK, maybe I'm just dense, or there's something obvious I don't > > know, > > but the procedure for > > checking using the track alignment tape doesn't make sense > assuming > > > > it's basically just a quarter-track > > tape with a 1kHz tone recorded in quarter-track cassette > format--is > > > > that what it is or is it something > > much different? > > > > The part that doesn't seem to make sense (and paraphrasing from > > Scott > > Johnson's 6xx page which > > is the same for all the classic machines) is that you adjust the > > > height of the PB head so you get > > the minimum signal playing the 1kHz track alignment tape. Does it > > > have stuff recorded only where > > things would NOT normally be recorded? If it were in the format > > mentioned in the first paragraph, > > wouldn't you at least in theory want the maximum signal > > (disregarding > > for the moment whether > > this would actually give the desired result to sufficient > accuracy > > in > > practice)? > > > > Thanks in advance...-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 12 19:17:51 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:17:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] sankyo play problem In-Reply-To: <8141.212.78.164.66.1147419362.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060512121751.0081bb50@earthlink.net> It can be noisy reel motion sensors. There is a photo interruptor beneath the supply reel that sometimes goes bad. I am not familiar with the A2 ,is it Euro market? tom brucker At 09:36 AM 5/12/06 +0200, you wrote: >Received my first cassette deck yesterday, a 2. >Actually I never saw one of these before and was surprised to see the >front is actually very nice, not as 'plastic' as it appeared to me in >images. > >It actually has a slight problem and since i'm still no Sankyo expert on >problems i'd like to share it with you. >What happens is that the deck forwards and rewinds well, but has problems >staying in play. Sometimes it playes for 2 minutes but many times it stops >sooner, sometimes 1 second, 2 seconds, 5 seconds, 20 seconds... >Is this caused by the cam-motor like other Sankyo problems? > >Wouter > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 12 19:17:50 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:17:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: <75886D42-2A10-465F-91D2-D4F04183BA28@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060512121750.0081bb50@earthlink.net> Kimo, One thing about head alignment is that you cannot do it your way, you must follow the manual! Johnson's instructions are flawed. PB head height, zenith , and penetration are all set with Nakamichi gauges. While it is possible to eyeball things, the freedom and complete adjustability of heads and guides can result in bad tape travel and contact. The track alignment tape DA9007 was designed for the 600, which had an adjustable head guide which requires a special tool to adjust. The tape was full track, but the audio was ERASED along the correct track path, and the guide(s) is/are adjusted for minimum and balanced audio output. In my experience it is easy to nail this adjustment. Head height could be adjusted this way, but the guides dictate tape path and height, and if that adjustment is off, so will the head height become. There are nak gauges for erase, record and play head alignments. It makes quite the collection! tom brucker At 01:43 AM 5/12/06 -0700, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >OK, maybe I'm just dense, or there's something obvious I don't know, >but the procedure for >checking using the track alignment tape doesn't make sense assuming >it's basically just a quarter-track >tape with a 1kHz tone recorded in quarter-track cassette format--is >that what it is or is it something >much different? > >The part that doesn't seem to make sense (and paraphrasing from Scott >Johnson's 6xx page which >is the same for all the classic machines) is that you adjust the >height of the PB head so you get >the minimum signal playing the 1kHz track alignment tape. Does it >have stuff recorded only where >things would NOT normally be recorded? If it were in the format >mentioned in the first paragraph, >wouldn't you at least in theory want the maximum signal (disregarding >for the moment whether >this would actually give the desired result to sufficient accuracy in >practice)? > >Thanks in advance...-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 12 19:01:51 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:01:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Revox B710 (Ron) In-Reply-To: References: <200605111709.k4BH8i7x010043@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4464BF7F.6070302@rcn.com> John Chapman wrote: >> Ron Wrote >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:40:22 -0400 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox B710 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <446330B6.5070007 at rcn.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> John Chapman wrote: >>> Sorry to go off Nak but I recently bought this machine dead in the >>> water. After a quick fiddle with numerous multi-plugs which connect >>> various PCBs, it burst into life and made some nice recordings. >>> Although >>> recordings seem not quite in the class of my ZX7, it was pretty good, >>> and I have not aligned the heads yet. It has nice ergonomics, >>> battleship >>> build and mike sockets, however, something I could do with on a Nak. >>> Opinions welcomed. >>> >>> However, it seems not to play/record on occasions. On powering up, the >>> left capstan stops after a few revolutions and a relay audibly clicks >>> and shuts down the take up reel. There is no sign of wear at all on >>> this >>> capstan, - because there is no pinch wheel on the capstan! >> >> >> No pinch roller???? Are you sure? IIRC (which >> I may not), there is one on each side. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> So it looks >>> as if the machine has for some time worked off the rhs capstan. It will >>> sometimes play/record off one capstan but mostly the load on the right >>> capstan shuts it off. Any suggestions? The flywheel revolves OK if a >>> little stiffer than the right. It could be this but I suspect either a >>> duff motor or a voltage supply problem, or even somewhere a >>> breakdown in >>> the power supply. >>> >>> Anyone got any suggestions or access to a service manual? >> > Yes Ron! Its like the car that pulls into the gas station without an > engine. The left capstan looks brand new, like its never seen tape. > Inside the casing, two spare pinch wheels, a circlip and a nylon washer > are conveniently taped to the chassis! There are two capstans and two > pinch wheel posts. When I fitted the second pinch wheel it had no effect > on the performance. > Any help would be appreciated There must have been a reason for whoever did it to remove the pinch roller. I would make sure that it's working properly -- rotating freely and with good pressure against the capstan. Since the supply flywheel requires some force to rotate, I would make sure it's correctly lubricated. If everything checks 100%, then the problem must be elsewhere. I would check to make sure that the takeup reel works properly during play and diagnose why the supply capstan stops after a while. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 12 19:04:55 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:04:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sankyo play problem In-Reply-To: <8141.212.78.164.66.1147419362.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <8141.212.78.164.66.1147419362.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4464C037.5000601@rcn.com> Wouter Heijke wrote: > Received my first cassette deck yesterday, a 2. > Actually I never saw one of these before and was surprised to see the > front is actually very nice, not as 'plastic' as it appeared to me in > images. > > It actually has a slight problem and since i'm still no Sankyo expert on > problems i'd like to share it with you. > What happens is that the deck forwards and rewinds well, but has problems > staying in play. Sometimes it playes for 2 minutes but many times it stops > sooner, sometimes 1 second, 2 seconds, 5 seconds, 20 seconds... > Is this caused by the cam-motor like other Sankyo problems? > > Wouter > In all probability, you have a problem with takeup. Most likely, the reel motor. Also possible, the rubber idler. Least likely, the hub sensor. -- Ron From paulcar at caribsurf.com Fri May 12 19:36:38 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:36:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Alignment Message-ID: <4464C7A6.1070907@caribsurf.com> I rather like the idea behind the DA9007; altho it might have been designed for the 600, it would be a useful test tape to have for any deck. If your heads are correctly aligned (height-wise), the output will be minimal and identical on both chans - any discrepancy will be an indication the height is out....I do not think it will be as useful for azimuth. at the correct azimuth the output on both chans will be lowest and any azimuth error will cause a rise in the output of the two chans but I am not sure this is more accurate than a 10kHz tone??? I acquired an Ian Harrison test tape and I was dubious about its accuracy - I found that I noted small discrepancies in the output chans of various decks and I was not sure the tape might be 100% accurate on track alignment. Most test tapes use full track recordings and, of course, you do not get this problem. Regards Paul C From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri May 12 20:02:35 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:02:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] sankyo play problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060512121751.0081bb50@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060512121751.0081bb50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4464CDBB.4060900@xs4all.nl> It's a Cassettedeck 2. I'll look into the suggestions you all made tonight. Wouter Hi Tech wrote: > It can be noisy reel motion sensors. There is a photo interruptor beneath > the supply reel that sometimes goes bad. I am not familiar with the A2 ,is > it Euro market? > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri May 12 20:21:53 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:21:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment Message-ID: Thanks to all for your explanantion. > One thing about head alignment is that you cannot do it your > way, you > must follow the manual! Johnson's instructions are flawed. > PB head height, zenith , and penetration are all set with Nakamichi > gauges. While it is possible to eyeball things, the freedom and > complete > adjustability of heads and guides can result in bad tape travel and > contact. > Actually, the page I was referring to on his site as a copy of the 6xx manual page (and believe it includes auto-azimuth stuff, so I assume it is a 680zx or similar). It is almost, if not exactly identical to the 700zxl and 1000zxl pages, at least in that point (I have the original manuals). There's a bunch of other stuff for adjusting the guides and such--this was just the PB head. I don't remember the alignment tape part numbers to be sure they are all identical, but the fact that it is 1kHz and the instructions for using it are the same. As are the instructions for a 700 II, incidentally. The tape being made so that it has signal EXCEPT where the heads are to be would certainly make this the correct procedure, as I noted in my original question. Now this begs another question--is there a list of what the tapes all are, and if there's any way to duplicate any of them? This one and the 15kHz full track azimuth tape seem to fit in that category--unless someone has a full-head cassette deck-- the only other way I can think would be to record it with cassette thickness tape on a full-head R2R deck and then cut the tape to the right width and put it in a shell (which requires equipment presumably only a tape manufacturing company might have)--so is there a source for any of these odd tapes (as well as the gauges) anywhere other than ebay? Are there tapes that could be made on, let's say, a recently well- calibrated (but normal) Nak? As far as ebay goes, I've only seen one person who sells them on ebay, and some of the prices I've seen on other stuff they sell (that can more easily be compared with market prices) seems steep, and there are other issues that I'm not comfortable with in those cases. Is there a rough price list for these or are they (and the gauges) so rare that it's pretty much whatever you're wiling to spend (I do notice that this person's things don't seem to move very fast).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri May 12 21:12:00 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:12:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Revox B710 (Ron) In-Reply-To: References: <200605111709.k4BH8i7x010043@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4464DE00.3010500@woods-and-waters.com> Hi John, I have a B710 and am familiar with their guts as a former Revox service-being. Yours needs some TLC. It's been abused. Try ftp://ftp.studer.ch/Public/Products/ for downloadable manuals. The A710 is similar to the B710. http://www.jmtecharts.com is the best place I know for Studer-Revox parts and service. These guys can help with anything. I even send my Revoxes to them from time to time, which is my highest compliment. Also I no longer have my Revox jigs and gauges; they fell victim to the massive flood we had in 1993. The lack of the right hand pinch roller is important. You need to replace it, but you guessed that. The deck is trying to run the cassette without the roller using only hub motor torque. Amazingly it can do that, albeit not too well. Its transport logic circuitry keeps stopping the tape because it's getting errors as it tries to run the cassette without the pinch roller. If I recall correctly the two flywheels are different with regard to mass and friction. Do not touch the flywheels if at all possible because the bearings are delicate and easily damaged. Replace the pinch roller and I suspect you'll find that most of the problems disappear. If not, then write back to me and I'll go over my notes for some ideas for you. John Chapman wrote: >> Ron Wrote >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:40:22 -0400 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox B710 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <446330B6.5070007 at rcn.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> John Chapman wrote: >> >>> Sorry to go off Nak but I recently bought this machine dead in the >>> water. After a quick fiddle with numerous multi-plugs which connect >>> various PCBs, it burst into life and made some nice recordings. Although >>> recordings seem not quite in the class of my ZX7, it was pretty good, >>> and I have not aligned the heads yet. It has nice ergonomics, battleship >>> build and mike sockets, however, something I could do with on a Nak. >>> Opinions welcomed. >>> >>> However, it seems not to play/record on occasions. On powering up, the >>> left capstan stops after a few revolutions and a relay audibly clicks >>> and shuts down the take up reel. There is no sign of wear at all on this >>> capstan, - because there is no pinch wheel on the capstan! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri May 12 21:25:03 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:25:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4464E10F.9040406@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > That's why I like the ZX7, it isn't automated, it's just organized visually > and in steps. It has the same benefits you just mentioned, and none of the > hard to adjust, small adjustment screws or complicated process. I really > wish you could get your hands on one, Kermit, I know you would love it. And > you get Dolby C, and the benefit of being able to adjust the record head > azimuth precisely and easily, and it has three heads so you get real tape > monitoring while recording and metal tape capability. Your 600 series > calibration sounds much like the 581 I was describing earlier. I will indeed find a ZX-whatever one day, but my next Target of Priority is a 100ZXL. Then, I want one of Bala's snazzy computers for it. > What is the actual process in doing your alignment, can you describe it > here? Also, I noticed the 600s used a bias tone of 10khz, instead of 15khz > used in the later decks, why is that, do you know? The higher the frequency (to a point) the better the accuracy of alignment. My guess -- emphasize "guess" -- is that Nakamichi changed from 10 Kc to 15 Kc to improve the alignment accuracy. I do not have Thomas's wonderful gauges, although I once did have them. They were a victim of the Flood of 1993, along with most of my master tapes and an untold amount of tech literature. So, I cheat and use an oscilloscope, a mirror cassette, a Teac 15 Kc azimuth alignment cassette, and Geneva MagView PF-603 spray. You can get really, really close to perfect alignment BUT it is truly a pain in the tookus. Un-fun. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri May 12 23:43:00 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060512121750.0081bb50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060512214300.65803.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If my calibration procedure web page is flawed then it's Nakamichi's fault. Everything is taken verbatim from the 660ZX service manual. I think you are wrong about the height being set with gauges. You can not use the body of the head to adjust height since the position of the head gaps vary with respect to the body. The core assembly is loaded into the head housing and potted in place. It is not exact. Now I agree that the penetration is and must be set with gauges. Not sure what you are called zenith? The DA09007 Track Alignment tape may have been designed for the 600, but, they have used it on just about all decks after that. SJ --- Hi Tech wrote: > Kimo, > One thing about head alignment is that you cannot do it your > way, you > must follow the manual! Johnson's instructions are flawed. > PB head height, zenith , and penetration are all set with > Nakamichi > gauges. While it is possible to eyeball things, the freedom and > complete > adjustability of heads and guides can result in bad tape travel and > contact. > The track alignment tape DA9007 was designed for the 600, > which had an > adjustable head guide which requires a special tool to adjust. The > tape was > full track, but the audio was ERASED along the correct track path, > and the > guide(s) is/are adjusted for minimum and balanced audio output. In > my > experience it is easy to nail this adjustment. Head height could > be > adjusted this way, but the guides dictate tape path and height, and > if that > adjustment is off, so will the head height become. > There are nak gauges for erase, record and play head > alignments. It > makes quite the collection! > > tom brucker > > > At 01:43 AM 5/12/06 -0700, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > >OK, maybe I'm just dense, or there's something obvious I don't > know, > >but the procedure for > >checking using the track alignment tape doesn't make sense > assuming > >it's basically just a quarter-track > >tape with a 1kHz tone recorded in quarter-track cassette > format--is > >that what it is or is it something > >much different? > > > >The part that doesn't seem to make sense (and paraphrasing from > Scott > >Johnson's 6xx page which > >is the same for all the classic machines) is that you adjust the > >height of the PB head so you get > >the minimum signal playing the 1kHz track alignment tape. Does it > > >have stuff recorded only where > >things would NOT normally be recorded? If it were in the format > >mentioned in the first paragraph, > >wouldn't you at least in theory want the maximum signal > (disregarding > >for the moment whether > >this would actually give the desired result to sufficient accuracy > in > >practice)? > > > >Thanks in advance...-kby > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat May 13 00:14:05 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:14:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Alignment In-Reply-To: <4464C7A6.1070907@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060512171405.0081deb0@earthlink.net> Paul, The DA9007 only works on decks with no guide welded to the play head, or the 600 adjustable guide. All other heads and guides ccannot be adjusted. Head height is easiest to do with the Information Terminals M100 gauge, but the nakamichi gauges will also do the job at a higher cost. This tape is useless for anything other than track alignment, because ideally it has no signal to play back! On any test tape, compare side A to side B, using only the middle of the tape. If the results are the same, then the tape is good. 10kHz azimuth is a defacto standard, but the Nak azimuth tape was 15kHz for obvious reasons. The DA9001 20kHz play back frequency response tape also can be used. It says on the label +-3 degrees...at 20kHz that is pretty high tolerance. Azimuth error only reduces output at higher frequencies, and that corner depends on gap width. A narrow gap has fewer azimuth problems. Channel balance will always be variable in all but the best decks. This fact is the whole reason for Nakamichi's success with dual capstan, discrete heads, and pad lifters. tom brucker At 01:36 PM 5/12/06 -0400, you wrote: >I rather like the idea behind the DA9007; altho it might have been >designed for the 600, it would be a useful test tape to have for any deck. >If your heads are correctly aligned (height-wise), the output will be >minimal and identical on both chans - any discrepancy will be an indication >the height is out....I do not think it will be as useful for azimuth. >at the correct azimuth the output on both chans will be lowest and any >azimuth error will cause a rise in the output of the two chans but I am >not sure this is more accurate than a 10kHz tone??? >I acquired an Ian Harrison test tape and I was dubious about its >accuracy - I found that I noted small discrepancies in the output >chans of various decks and I was not sure the tape might be 100% >accurate on track alignment. Most test tapes use full track >recordings and, of course, you do not get this problem. >Regards >Paul C >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat May 13 00:26:10 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:26:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <4464E10F.9040406@woods-and-waters.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060512172610.0081b5c0@earthlink.net> Actually the choice of bias alignment tones has a lot to do with the flatness of the treble, and record EQ design. On naks I like to set it with 12kHz for older machines, and 20Khz for the better decks. I always check 10kHz -12K-15-18-20kHz. The trick , and the trouble, is to look at the variation in amplitude at 18 or 20k, because tape travel problems will cause abnormal underbias. A bounce of more than 2 dB is cause to investigate tape travel, correct that problem, and then set bias. What Nakamichi taught me was to set play head azimuth not necessarily for peak output, but peak combined with equal level. Something called gap scatter comes into play (pun intended). Likewise in bias settings, one must balance variations due to tape travel and HF response. By checking from 10 to 20, you can be sure the proper bias point is reached. I spent the entire sales life of the ZX 7 resetting the record bias and levels because the salesmen would screw it up on every demo. Kermit, I will try and find a gauge set for you in the US. tom brucker At 02:25 PM 5/12/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Doane, > >Doane Hoag wrote: >> That's why I like the ZX7, it isn't automated, it's just organized visually >> and in steps. It has the same benefits you just mentioned, and none of the >> hard to adjust, small adjustment screws or complicated process. I really >> wish you could get your hands on one, Kermit, I know you would love it. And >> you get Dolby C, and the benefit of being able to adjust the record head >> azimuth precisely and easily, and it has three heads so you get real tape >> monitoring while recording and metal tape capability. Your 600 series >> calibration sounds much like the 581 I was describing earlier. > >I will indeed find a ZX-whatever one day, but my next Target of Priority >is a 100ZXL. Then, I want one of Bala's snazzy computers for it. > >> What is the actual process in doing your alignment, can you describe it >> here? Also, I noticed the 600s used a bias tone of 10khz, instead of 15khz >> used in the later decks, why is that, do you know? > >The higher the frequency (to a point) the better the accuracy of >alignment. My guess -- emphasize "guess" -- is that Nakamichi changed >from 10 Kc to 15 Kc to improve the alignment accuracy. > >I do not have Thomas's wonderful gauges, although I once did have them. >They were a victim of the Flood of 1993, along with most of my master >tapes and an untold amount of tech literature. So, I cheat and use an >oscilloscope, a mirror cassette, a Teac 15 Kc azimuth alignment >cassette, and Geneva MagView PF-603 spray. You can get really, really >close to perfect alignment BUT it is truly a pain in the tookus. Un-fun. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat May 13 00:36:10 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:36:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060512173610.0081b5c0@earthlink.net> The turkish guy selling Nak gauges is dreaming! On gauge won't help much. To make a tape....well, the best way is to align a Nak dual capstan deck using reference tapes, and then make a test tape on ZX tape in a good shell. The only invalid tape would be the wow / flutter tape, which will always give better results on the deck on which it is recorded. The track alignment tape isn't really needed unless you have a 600 with a bent head guide. Perhaps you could make a 3 3/4 ips cassette mechanism and mount a 1/2 track mono head on it. Cut the cassette shell away so the head fits.Record 7.5 kHz, and flip the tape over, play, and set its azimuth so the phase is identical on side A and B. Now you have a 15kHz azimuth tape mastering deck! Move the recorded tape to a new shell. tom brucker At 11:21 AM 5/12/06 -0700, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >>>> Thanks to all for your explanantion.      One thing about head alignment is that you cannot do it your way, you must follow the manual! Johnson's instructions are flawed.  PB head height, zenith , and penetration are all set with Nakamichi gauges. While it is possible to eyeball things, the freedom and complete adjustability of heads and guides can result in bad tape travel and contact.  Actually, the page I was referring to on his site as a copy of the 6xx manual page (and believe it includes auto-azimuth stuff, so I assume it is a 680zx or similar). It is almost, if not exactly identical to the 700zxl and 1000zxl pages, at least in that point (I have the original manuals).  There's a bunch of other stuff for adjusting the guides and such--this was just the PB head. I don't remember the alignment tape part numbers to be sure they are all identical, but the fact that it is 1kHz and the instructions for using it are the same. As are the instructions for a 700 II, incidentally. The tape being made so that it has signal EXCEPT where the heads are to be would certainly make this the correct procedure, as I noted in my original question. Now this begs another question--is there a list of what the tapes all are, and if there's any way to duplicate any of them? This one and the 15kHz full track azimuth tape seem to fit in that category--unless someone has a full-head cassette deck-- the only other way I can think would be to record it with cassette thickness tape on a full-head R2R deck and then cut the tape to the right width and put it in a shell (which requires equipment presumably only a tape manufacturing company might have)--so is there a source for any of these odd tapes (as well as the gauges) anywhere other than ebay? Are there tapes that could be made on, let's say, a recently well-calibrated (but normal) Nak? As far as ebay goes, I've only seen one person who sells them on ebay, and some of the prices I've seen on other stuff they sell (that can more easily be compared with market prices) seems steep, and there are other issues that I'm not comfortable with in those cases. Is there a rough price list for these or are they (and the gauges) so rare that it's pretty much whatever you're wiling to spend (I do notice that this person's things don't seem to move very fast).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat May 13 00:49:45 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:49:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: <20060512214300.65803.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060512121750.0081bb50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060512174945.0081ba00@earthlink.net> I guess I wasn't clear. Zenith is tilt. Guide height is what is set first in Nakamichis, not head height. The instructions posted on NakTalk put the cart before the horse. The DA9091 guide height gauge (or IT M100) is the first reference. Head height is adjusted or shimmed after that step. The track alignment tape can be used, but the guides must be set first. I see 680 and 580 series decks that come from studios where someone has released the white interlock for height, and adjusted tilt. The nak tilt gauges are the magical tools for head alignment. Once tilt is properly set, the interlock is installed, and head height is set for max output on a known good tape, or minimum with the track alignment tape. In the real world I try not to use my test tapes unless I have to....before you go nuts, the 20KHz PBR tape was over $200 in 1980, and was only accurate for 20 plays. My eyeball comment was to benefit those with no gauges...it was more of a joke really. The neat thing about the typical head with a welded -on guide is that none of these concerns exist! Well, tilt is an issue, but ignorance is bliss. tom brucker At 02:43 PM 5/12/06 -0700, you wrote: >If my calibration procedure web page is flawed then it's Nakamichi's >fault. Everything is taken verbatim from the 660ZX service manual. > >I think you are wrong about the height being set with gauges. You >can not use the body of the head to adjust height since the position >of the head gaps vary with respect to the body. The core assembly is >loaded into the head housing and potted in place. It is not exact. >Now I agree that the penetration is and must be set with gauges. Not >sure what you are called zenith? > >The DA09007 Track Alignment tape may have been designed for the 600, >but, they have used it on just about all decks after that. > >SJ >--- Hi Tech wrote: > >> Kimo, >> One thing about head alignment is that you cannot do it your >> way, you >> must follow the manual! Johnson's instructions are flawed. >> PB head height, zenith , and penetration are all set with >> Nakamichi >> gauges. While it is possible to eyeball things, the freedom and >> complete >> adjustability of heads and guides can result in bad tape travel and >> contact. >> The track alignment tape DA9007 was designed for the 600, >> which had an >> adjustable head guide which requires a special tool to adjust. The >> tape was >> full track, but the audio was ERASED along the correct track path, >> and the >> guide(s) is/are adjusted for minimum and balanced audio output. In >> my >> experience it is easy to nail this adjustment. Head height could >> be >> adjusted this way, but the guides dictate tape path and height, and >> if that >> adjustment is off, so will the head height become. >> There are nak gauges for erase, record and play head >> alignments. It >> makes quite the collection! >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> At 01:43 AM 5/12/06 -0700, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> >OK, maybe I'm just dense, or there's something obvious I don't >> know, >> >but the procedure for >> >checking using the track alignment tape doesn't make sense >> assuming >> >it's basically just a quarter-track >> >tape with a 1kHz tone recorded in quarter-track cassette >> format--is >> >that what it is or is it something >> >much different? >> > >> >The part that doesn't seem to make sense (and paraphrasing from >> Scott >> >Johnson's 6xx page which >> >is the same for all the classic machines) is that you adjust the >> >height of the PB head so you get >> >the minimum signal playing the 1kHz track alignment tape. Does it >> >> >have stuff recorded only where >> >things would NOT normally be recorded? If it were in the format >> >mentioned in the first paragraph, >> >wouldn't you at least in theory want the maximum signal >> (disregarding >> >for the moment whether >> >this would actually give the desired result to sufficient accuracy >> in >> >practice)? >> > >> >Thanks in advance...-kby >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat May 13 00:58:07 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060512225807.63570.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Now this begs another question--is there a list of what the tapes > all are, Yes, It's on my main page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html then scroll down to "Nakamichi Calibration Tapes" > and if there's any way to duplicate any of them? Well Kermit is suppose to be working on this one. But, the answer is not really. Sure you can take a deck that has been just calibrated and make a 15kHz azimuth tape on it and it will be pretty good, but, not as good as a professionally made one. You could make a 3kHz speed/wow&flutter tape, but, again it will be alright, but, not as good as a professionally made one. The recording deck will add it's own speed offset and it's own wow&flutter error. These tapes are usually made on a machine with very large flywheels to keep the speed variations very low. The 400 Hz Level cal tape would be a tough one. It required a calibrated flux level on the tape which would be hard to verify. The track alignment is very tough one. I have my theories on how Nak did it. I'm thinking that they used record head with a wide track width to record the 1kHz tone and then erase the middle by using a narrow width playback head in reverse, meaning I think they inject a current into the playback head to turn it into a record head, but, with bias only (105kHz) and no signal. Basically, an erase head. Would it be easy to modify a deck to do this. It's not too hard. SJ > This one and the 15kHz full track azimuth tape seem to fit in that --- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > Thanks to all for your explanantion. > > > One thing about head alignment is that you cannot do it your > > > way, you > > must follow the manual! Johnson's instructions are flawed. > > PB head height, zenith , and penetration are all set with > Nakamichi > > gauges. While it is possible to eyeball things, the freedom and > > complete > > adjustability of heads and guides can result in bad tape travel > and > > contact. > > > > Actually, the page I was referring to on his site as a copy of the > > 6xx manual page (and believe it includes auto-azimuth stuff, > so I assume it is a 680zx or similar). It is almost, if not exactly > > identical to the 700zxl and 1000zxl pages, at least > in that point (I have the original manuals). There's a bunch of > other stuff for adjusting the guides and such--this was > just the PB head. I don't remember the alignment tape part numbers > to > be sure they are all identical, but the fact > that it is 1kHz and the instructions for using it are the same. As > > are the instructions for a 700 II, incidentally. > > The tape being made so that it has signal EXCEPT where the heads > are > to be would certainly make this > the correct procedure, as I noted in my original question. > > Now this begs another question--is there a list of what the tapes > all > are, and if there's any way to duplicate any of them? > This one and the 15kHz full track azimuth tape seem to fit in that > > category--unless someone has a full-head cassette deck-- > the only other way I can think would be to record it with cassette > > thickness tape on a full-head R2R deck and then cut the tape > to the right width and put it in a shell (which requires equipment > > presumably only a tape manufacturing company might > have)--so is there a source for any of these odd tapes (as well as > > the gauges) anywhere other than ebay? > > Are there tapes that could be made on, let's say, a recently well- > calibrated (but normal) Nak? > > As far as ebay goes, I've only seen one person who sells them on > ebay, and some of the prices I've seen on other > stuff they sell (that can more easily be compared with market > prices) > seems steep, and there are other issues that > I'm not comfortable with in those cases. Is there a rough price > list > for these or are they (and the gauges) so rare > that it's pretty much whatever you're wiling to spend (I do notice > > that this person's things don't seem to move > very fast).-kby> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat May 13 02:41:30 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:41:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: <20060512225807.63570.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060512225807.63570.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44652B3A.5090902@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Scott., Scott Johnson wrote: >>Now this begs another question--is there a list of what the tapes >>all are, > > > Yes, It's on my main page. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > then scroll down to "Nakamichi Calibration Tapes" > > >>and if there's any way to duplicate any of them? > > Well Kermit is suppose to be working on this one. I do have a working prototype but to be honest I'm not happy with its quality. The original motive for making my own cassette deck was to obtain a deck with the quality and tolerances needed to make a test tape. Recently, I had the rare privilege to spend a day with Johnson Eider, who was in the business of making reference-quality test tapes in the 1950s, 1960s and early 1970s. I showed him what I was doing and he immediately pointed out seven mistakes in my methods, then spent the next three hours telling me what I needed in the way of test equipment and different methods of recording. So, I'm in the process of obtaining what I need. Interestingly, almost any good quality cassette deck can be adapted to make the alignment tapes but NOT the flutter-and-wow tapes. I'm modifying one of my 600 to become the test tape recorder. Part of the modification is to be able to attach an oscilloscope and spectrum analyzer directly to the heads to monitor the precise frequency curve and level being recorded. One piece of equipment I need to obtain is a flux meter to be able to measure the actual flux emitted by the head and recorded onto the tape, and alas they are a bit pricey. Borrowing one is out of the question because I need it for each tape made. Making test tapes is apparently a closely guarded secret, so I was thrilled to be abble to find someone who would pass along The Secret Formula. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat May 13 02:43:31 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:43:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] analogue vs. digital In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060512172610.0081b5c0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060512172610.0081b5c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44652BB3.2010702@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > I spent the entire sales life of the ZX 7 resetting the record bias and > levels because the salesmen would screw it up on every demo. I'll bet that's right! > Kermit, I will try and find a gauge set for you in the US. Oh man, I'd be so grateful! I really need gauges. The method I have to use does work, but oh brother what a hassle! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From daves at intergate.com Sat May 13 04:55:22 2006 From: daves at intergate.com (David) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:55:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: <44634C21.2030109@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <016a01c67638$b121b420$28f3fea9@custom> Where did you down load the 1000ZXL service manual from? I have owner's manual, but would like a service manual. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Luis Peromarta [mailto:luis at peromarta.org] Sent: Thu, May 11, 06 10:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals Before we start scanning, shouldn't we make sure which manuals are already scanned (quite a few of them) and the quality of them? I have downloaded the 550 and 1000zxl and both are good quality (say 4 out of 5). Certainly, the 1000zxl is one of the largest at 70MB!! Someone should arrange all of them (or links to them, or bittorrents or whatever) in a single site. (naks.com? ;) ) Wouter Heijke wrote: > Good to hear this news! > Bandwith is not the first problem, we could provide bittorrent links for > distributed downloads. The main issue in my opinion is the (quality) > scanning (man) power that needs to be done, and service manuals are a real > pain to scan good. > And then the glued 'big blue' manuals are more difficult to scan also with > the risc of pages getting loosened. > > Wouter > From bendallfarms at charter.net Sat May 13 01:31:18 2006 From: bendallfarms at charter.net (Bendall Farms) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:31:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Securing the azimuth adjusting screw Message-ID: Greetings to All from a first-time poster... Nice forum going here with friendly, knowledgeable folks. I bought a new CR-4A in 1989 and it has performed commendably ever since - a really nice deck for recording, IMHO. A couple of weeks ago, I convinced myself that I needed another Nak deck, a playback-only unit for listening while I'm working in the garage or the backyard. What a great rationalization, yes? Since this new Nak would be subjected to the hostile garage environment (dust, heat, insects, etc.), I picked-up a cheapo CR-1A on ebay. After a cleaning/demag the unit was working well mechanically and electrically, but not sonically. Onward to the azimuth! This is the first time I've been so bold, but the bravery comes more easily when the subject is a $20 deck. Using tapes from the CR-4A as a reference, I adjusted the azimuth by ear until it was really good for both playback AND recording. Voila! Success! The CR-1A was fully functional and sonically pleasing! Uh-oh...After two days of playing tapes, the azimuth needed major correction again. Here's my BIG QUESTION: how do I secure the azimuth adjusting screw once it is properly adjusted? My immediate thought was to use Loctite, but why guess about it when I can seek advice/suggestions from this forum? Thanks in advance, eb1 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3848 bytes Desc: not available URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat May 13 09:18:03 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:18:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Talking about service manuals In-Reply-To: <016a01c67638$b121b420$28f3fea9@custom> References: <016a01c67638$b121b420$28f3fea9@custom> Message-ID: <4465882B.8050204@peromarta.org> Here, in Tomas Larsson's site. http://www.naks.mine.nu/23.php rgds, LP. David wrote: > Where did you down load the 1000ZXL service manual from? I have owner's > manual, but would like a service manual. > > Dave > From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat May 13 12:35:05 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 11:35:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 problem Message-ID: <518b7b10605130335t62b35392i1f95785b0bd3294d@mail.gmail.com> What could be the possible cause/remedy for "Capstans turn, but do not drive take up spools" ? George From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat May 13 15:36:40 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 problem In-Reply-To: <518b7b10605130335t62b35392i1f95785b0bd3294d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060513133640.60455.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi George can you describe the problem fully please to understand the problem correctly. is it that Spools do not turn when you hit play or any other transprt functions? Kannan george valkov wrote: What could be the possible cause/remedy for "Capstans turn, but do not drive take up spools" ? George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat May 13 16:25:02 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 07:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060513142502.75485.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There was a nice Stephen Sank' comment as well as price list from Nakamichi on these test tapes and gages. From my knowledge in Engineering and experience, measurement tools require a machine capable of producing extremely accurate gages. So forget reproducing these exactlly the way they are. But making near about 400 Hz level or 15 Khz azimuth tape - it is possible. Will that do - i am not competant enough to answer that question- but my anwer is incase of simple adjustments - they are OK. Coming back to nakamichi tapes and gages for alignment- I paid a lot of money to get them from nakamichi few years back, when nakamichi Japan existed and responded to my request for a quote. They sold me spares and tapes - about 5 years back. A miracle at that time as I got all them ordering from India and the price was cheaper than what nakamichi US quoted. Still I paid a lot of money for customs duty etc. I remember spending excess of about 250$ for each tape - almost 750$ for tilt check gage. Actually these were made by a company in Malasia ( a subcontractor for Nakamichi) . The truth is - the prices of these gages and tapes are not something everybody can buy. Send your machine to Tom - which will be economical in terms of getting it calibrated and maintained than getting these tapes and try to do it yourself. His comments about head height requirements as well as biasing scheme that he got from Nakamichi makes me think that somebody like Tom , Stephen Sank or Jeff have years of experience working with Naks and just these gages alone will not be suficient to get you the results. Kannan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Thanks to all for your explanantion. One thing about head alignment is that you cannot do it your way, you must follow the manual! Johnson's instructions are flawed. PB head height, zenith , and penetration are all set with Nakamichi gauges. While it is possible to eyeball things, the freedom and complete adjustability of heads and guides can result in bad tape travel and contact. Actually, the page I was referring to on his site as a copy of the 6xx manual page (and believe it includes auto-azimuth stuff, so I assume it is a 680zx or similar). It is almost, if not exactly identical to the 700zxl and 1000zxl pages, at least in that point (I have the original manuals). There's a bunch of other stuff for adjusting the guides and such--this was just the PB head. I don't remember the alignment tape part numbers to be sure they are all identical, but the fact that it is 1kHz and the instructions for using it are the same. As are the instructions for a 700 II, incidentally. The tape being made so that it has signal EXCEPT where the heads are to be would certainly make this the correct procedure, as I noted in my original question. Now this begs another question--is there a list of what the tapes all are, and if there's any way to duplicate any of them? This one and the 15kHz full track azimuth tape seem to fit in that category--unless someone has a full-head cassette deck-- the only other way I can think would be to record it with cassette thickness tape on a full-head R2R deck and then cut the tape to the right width and put it in a shell (which requires equipment presumably only a tape manufacturing company might have)--so is there a source for any of these odd tapes (as well as the gauges) anywhere other than ebay? Are there tapes that could be made on, let's say, a recently well-calibrated (but normal) Nak? As far as ebay goes, I've only seen one person who sells them on ebay, and some of the prices I've seen on other stuff they sell (that can more easily be compared with market prices) seems steep, and there are other issues that I'm not comfortable with in those cases. Is there a rough price list for these or are they (and the gauges) so rare that it's pretty much whatever you're wiling to spend (I do notice that this person's things don't seem to move very fast).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat May 13 15:43:13 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:43:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 problem In-Reply-To: <20060513133640.60455.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <518b7b10605130335t62b35392i1f95785b0bd3294d@mail.gmail.com> <20060513133640.60455.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10605130643o2a2949d2o91555e63df314a4c@mail.gmail.com> Sorry Kannan, This is a quote from a ZX-9 for sale ad, I am still waiting for more details from the seller - if he responds. George On 5/13/06, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > Hi George > can you describe the problem fully please to understand the problem > correctly. is it that Spools do not turn when you hit play or any other > transprt functions? > Kannan > > > george valkov wrote: > > What could be the possible cause/remedy for "Capstans turn, but do not > drive take up spools" ? > > George > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat May 13 17:17:54 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:17:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: <20060513142502.75485.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kannan, I am intrigued by your comment that the Nak gauges and tapes were made by a subcontractor in Malaysia - do you happen to know what company and its address? I also happen to have a few original nak tapes and gauges, although they were sourced from UK. Now that I am living in Malaysia instead of UK, I would be very intesreted to see if the company that made these tapes is still around, who knows, maybe the tooling is still available? In which case I am sure a lot of us will be very interested.......... From gracygaye at gmail.com Sat May 13 18:58:34 2006 From: gracygaye at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 17:58:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX covers made-Enquiry after talking to Steve at Bowers] Message-ID: <001801c676ae$79d3d270$4001a8c0@tyson> Hello, I am the person who is also interested in having some 505 perspex covers made up, i have been trying to work out how to reply to your posts on the list! Anyway, i understand you have done quite a lot of research already and i wonder whether you could bring me up to speed with progress? I have some strong contacts in the plastics industry but cannot approach them until i have a cover to show them. Many thanks Gracy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Sat May 13 19:20:58 2006 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 10:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A dilemma... Message-ID: <20060513172058.91784.qmail@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, Well, I really wanted a Nak in the vehicle, but after looking and reading and talking with a buddy of mine who is a reputable technician here in Chicago, I've been all but dissuaded. He highly recommends a Sony ES XRC900, and from what I've read, it doesn't sound like a bad alternative. That being said, I'm still curious as hell about this Nakamichi MTD1. Here's the listing: (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item =9723550035&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1) There's a Sony currently listed that comes with a CDX727 10 disc changer which I thought was cool until I read that it has problems reading CDRs. The seller of the Nak MTD1 also has the changer that goes with that head unit listed separately (the MB9--don't know about how it does with CDRs). No one has bid on either. I obviously really like the 80's TD Naks better (500 or 700 more specifically), but they don't have CD changer controls; perhaps more crucially, they don't have detachable faces which is a real concern living in Chicago (especially considering I've already had a stereo and my car stolen!). My friend warns me that the MTD1 is made in China and is not nearly as nice as the Sony. I wasn't really that impressed with the look of the MTD1, so I'm nearly convinced. But that manual azimuth control is still kind of tempting me. That and the fact that it's a Nak. I guess the question is, is it really a Nak? Thanks for any last minute wisdom/advice. -Jesse From luis at peromarta.org Sat May 13 20:37:21 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 20:37:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? Message-ID: <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> Hope not!! My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a tape, it played for about a minute. Then it stopped. I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would not play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical contacs (start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) and seemed fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan is fine. However, she is just sitting doing nothing. Any well known fault? Any ideas? Thanks, slán, LP. From N4229K at aol.com Sat May 13 22:04:44 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 16:04:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX covers made-Enquiry after talking to Steve at Bowers] Message-ID: <2fd.4ffbce0.319795dc@aol.com> Hi Gracy: The covers are made with a pressure injection process. Cheap to do once you have the mold. Molds are expensive but can be had at a lower cost if made in China. I'm looking for a cheap mold to be made. If your contacts can do this we are in business. I am looking to get covers made for both the 202 and 505 which are exactly the same except for height. I have covers I can have the molds made from. Let me know, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat May 13 22:44:13 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 13:44:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment Message-ID: <394FD207-936C-4B1C-98E3-0289B76760C8@alumni.caltech.edu> > There was a nice Stephen Sank' comment as well as price list from > Nakamichi on these test tapes and gages. From my knowledge in > Engineering and experience, measurement tools require a machine > capable of producing extremely accurate gages. So forget > reproducing these exactlly the way they are. > But making near about 400 Hz level or 15 Khz azimuth tape - it is > possible. Will that do - i am not competant enough to answer that > question- but my anwer is incase of simple adjustments - they are OK. > Coming back to nakamichi tapes and gages for alignment- I paid a > lot of money to get them from nakamichi few years back, when > nakamichi Japan existed and responded to my request for a quote. > They sold me spares and tapes - about 5 years back. A miracle at > that time as I got all them ordering from India and the price was > cheaper than what nakamichi US quoted. Still I paid a lot of money > for customs duty etc. I remember spending excess of about 250$ for > each tape - almost 750$ for tilt check gage. > Actually these were made by a company in Malasia ( a > subcontractor for Nakamichi) . > The truth is - the prices of these gages and tapes are not > something everybody can buy. > > Send your machine to Tom - which will be economical in terms of > getting it calibrated and maintained than getting these tapes and > try to do it yourself. His comments about head height requirements > as well as biasing scheme that he got from Nakamichi makes me think > that somebody like Tom , Stephen Sank or Jeff have years of > experience working with Naks and just these gages alone will not be > suficient to get you the results. > Kannan Thanks for the info. I think my interest in getting a set is multi- faceted. Yes, I'm kind of interested in maybe having things to fiddle around with with some of my machines--ones that have already been abused enough that they'll probably never be really good again, but can serve to teach me about those machines that are worth saving. However, there's a second reason. It's more likely in the future that one could still find someone with the "general" electronics expertise enough to troubleshoot problems I can't deal with (for whatever reason--time--lack of knowledge, etc.). And certainly someone with that kind of knowledge plus the ability to follow the service manual for the most part could go a long way to fixing things (OK, there are always things you really only know if you're "in the field" but in terms of expertise, you can probably go most of the way to finding it by trading "time to get the problem fixed")--if they had all the necessary equipment. At this point, yes, for the most part it's PROBABLY better to ship to someone with experience since they are difficult but not impossible to find. But there will come a day when the Toms, Kanaans, Balas, Jeffs, Kermits, etc. aren't easily available or exist, at which point the above expertise might be what is needed or more desirable. Even now, with those people, the prospects for those often include a lot of shipping, which is not the most desirable thing when dealing with equipment having delicate mechanical tolerances and adjustments. And that is where having a set of gauges can be useful for the person whose equipment needs them to be able to be adjusted properly. At this point in life, I can at least consider the financial hit on things like gauges as part of the long term investment of the equipment--what I'm mainly objecting to with the unnamed person on ebay (although it seems at least SOME people know who that is referring to) is that, whether or not it's true, I feel like I'm being ripped off (plus they way that person wants finances sent to him doesn't engender confidence). -kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun May 14 03:31:18 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: <394FD207-936C-4B1C-98E3-0289B76760C8@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060514013118.20712.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am more optimistic- The test gages and tapes come out once in a while on ebay. Secondly this Naktalk and Naks.com server had done the part necessary to keep a set of people who appreciate Nak' great product strength and are willing to work with others across continents to find parts or ways to keep these wonderful machines working. Also there are many owners who are willing to spend a good lot of money in restoring these machines. So there will be alternatives to Jeff's and Kannans. I remember two years back people warned about complete non availability of belts. Only the price had gone up three fold or 4 fold but are available. These machines are too many and the owners are good in numbers than vintage cars probably. I am ptimistic that these will be playing and recording music for next ten years or more , who knows? Kannan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Thanks for the info. I think my interest in getting a set is multi-faceted. Yes, I'm kind of interested in maybe having things to fiddle around with with some of my machines--ones that have already been abused enough that they'll probably never be really good again, but can serve to teach me about those machines that are worth saving. However, there's a second reason. It's more likely in the future that one could still find someone with the "general" electronics expertise enough to troubleshoot problems I can't deal with (for whatever reason--time--lack of knowledge, etc.). And certainly someone with that kind of knowledge plus the ability to follow the service manual for the most part could go a long way to fixing things (OK, there are always things you really only know if you're "in the field" but in terms of expertise, you can probably go most of the way to finding it by trading "time to get the problem fixed")--if they had all the necessary equipment. At this point, yes, for the most part it's PROBABLY better to ship to someone with experience since they are difficult but not impossible to find. But there will come a day when the Toms, Kanaans, Balas, Jeffs, Kermits, etc. aren't easily available or exist, at which point the above expertise might be what is needed or more desirable. Even now, with those people, the prospects for those often include a lot of shipping, which is not the most desirable thing when dealing with equipment having delicate mechanical tolerances and adjustments. And that is where having a set of gauges can be useful for the person whose equipment needs them to be able to be adjusted properly. At this point in life, I can at least consider the financial hit on things like gauges as part of the long term investment of the equipment--what I'm mainly objecting to with the unnamed person on ebay (although it seems at least SOME people know who that is referring to) is that, whether or not it's true, I feel like I'm being ripped off (plus they way that person wants finances sent to him doesn't engender confidence). -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun May 14 03:49:31 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060514014931.64561.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi It is difficult to trace those documents that came along when I received these gages 5 years back in India. Since I saw the shipping documents that had the name of the sub contractor and address. However only when I go back to india and search probably I may find those papers? I am not sure. If anybody could help - that is current Nakamichi owners ( management) I am surprised to see no mention of Nero nakamichi at Nakamichi website ( present) or mention of their great products! No surprise that this company died along with only true great product. kannan winnie pooh wrote: Kannan, I am intrigued by your comment that the Nak gauges and tapes were made by a subcontractor in Malaysia - do you happen to know what company and its address? I also happen to have a few original nak tapes and gauges, although they were sourced from UK. Now that I am living in Malaysia instead of UK, I would be very intesreted to see if the company that made these tapes is still around, who knows, maybe the tooling is still available? In which case I am sure a lot of us will be very interested.......... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun May 14 01:23:45 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 23:23:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A dilemma... In-Reply-To: <20060513172058.91784.qmail@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jesse, I think I can help by sharing my own experiences. I own the Nak MTD1 and use its original matching CD changer, the 10 disc CDC-101. The Nak MTD 1 is a true Nak, made in Japan, not China. Has a "Made in Japan" sticker on it anyway. It uses the Nak crystalloy heads and although not a dual capstan version, the tape transport is pretty stable. Certainly not too different when compared directly to the TD-700/TD-500. It has an aux input and also CD changer controls. Oh and a remote control too. The adjustable azimuth is really nice feature and invaluable. The MTD 2 and MTD 3 doesn't have the adjustable azimuth feature. MTD 2 is basically the same as the MTD 1 except for adjustable azimuth as they both use the same tape mechanism but the MTD 3 is not the same in all respects. The MTD 3 does not use a crystalloy head, uses different tape mechanism and does not have remote control functions, amongst other things. The MTD 1 doesn't have a detachable face, instead the whole unit is removable. The docking cage has three options, the Power Port 1, 2 and 3. The power port 1 and 2 have a power amp and pre-amp attached but the power port 3 is a pre-amp only. So if you use outboard amps, all three power ports are suitable but I personally prefer the power port 3 although I also have the power port 1. Actually, both my wife and my car uses the MTD 1 and CD changers. The MB9 is a newer CD changer that Nak made after the CDC-101. The CDC-101 is based on a Sony mechanism and reads CD-R's, CD-RW without any problems and also have digital outputs and so on. The MB-9 however, is based on a Sanyo mechanism - I know cos I have two MB-7's, which is basically the same as the MB-9 but without digital output and separte RCA phono output (which you can DIY and add on like I've done). The MB-7 and MB-9 do have problems reading CD-R but more importantly, have problems with the 7 disc CD changer mechanism, which is very prone to jamming. The jamming is because the mechanism is a bit fragile due to a design fault and any big bumps and jerks will cause it to fall out of alignment - in a car big bumps and jerks may well occur very often! So what would I do if in your situation? Well, I am not familiar with the Sony, but if I definitely need CD capability with ability to read CD-R then the choice is for a Nak MTD 1 WITH the CDC-101. If it's a Nak MTD 1 with the MB-9, I would not be so keen due to the issues that affect the MB 7 and 9 changers. If CD capability is not a concern, I would go with a Nak MTD 1 OR preferably, the TD500/700 series. Hope this helps you to make up your mind......... From ady at spamcop.net Sun May 14 02:05:36 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 01:05:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680 auto shutoff Message-ID: <5342C97E-C4AC-4C93-BB19-C95B8F4EED40@spamcop.net> hi.. just got around to putting my 680 all back together, after fixing the non-pivoting pinch roller... I replaced the cam belt and counter belts. Did a tiny bit of lubrication too. Started it up and to my dismay found that the transport shuts off about 1 sec. after going into any mode, FF,RW, play etc. Both capstans turn, the tape is wound slightly when inserted.. Before I started on this, it functioned very well, although the RH pinch roller didn't move up. Could the tape tension have increased now with the pinch roller working and so highlighting a worn idler tyre? I'm getting more and more tempted to send it to B&W here in the UK.. I just can't really afford it! thanks in advance adrian From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun May 14 10:32:39 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:32:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 problem In-Reply-To: <20060513133640.60455.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <518b7b10605130335t62b35392i1f95785b0bd3294d@mail.gmail.com> <20060513133640.60455.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10605140132y3188e321ye5a38b1493438cb3@mail.gmail.com> OK Kannan, so the tape doesn't move for playback and the rewind / fast forward is slow. But the capstans are running. Does that mean anything to you ? I need to judge roughly how expensive the solution is before buying it. It's had a lot of "field" use as well, so I'm a bit hesitant anyway. George On 5/13/06, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > Hi George > can you describe the problem fully please to understand the problem > correctly. is it that Spools do not turn when you hit play or any other > transprt functions? > Kannan > > > george valkov wrote: > > What could be the possible cause/remedy for "Capstans turn, but do not > drive take up spools" ? > > George > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun May 14 11:37:58 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:37:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 problem In-Reply-To: <518b7b10605140132y3188e321ye5a38b1493438cb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b10605130335t62b35392i1f95785b0bd3294d@mail.gmail.com> <20060513133640.60455.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <518b7b10605140132y3188e321ye5a38b1493438cb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4466FA76.6070208@xs4all.nl> Sounds like a worn idler (tire) to me. george valkov wrote: > OK Kannan, so the tape doesn't move for playback and the rewind / fast > forward is slow. But the capstans are running. > > Does that mean anything to you ? I need to judge roughly how expensive > the solution is before buying it. It's had a lot of "field" use as > well, so I'm a bit hesitant anyway. > > George > > > On 5/13/06, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: >> >> Hi George >> can you describe the problem fully please to understand the problem >> correctly. is it that Spools do not turn when you hit play or any other >> transprt functions? >> Kannan >> >> >> george valkov wrote: >> >> What could be the possible cause/remedy for "Capstans turn, but do not >> drive take up spools" ? >> >> George >> From ady at spamcop.net Sun May 14 12:10:56 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:10:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680 auto shutoff In-Reply-To: <5342C97E-C4AC-4C93-BB19-C95B8F4EED40@spamcop.net> References: <5342C97E-C4AC-4C93-BB19-C95B8F4EED40@spamcop.net> Message-ID: more info.. I've just checked the bulb in front of the little holed wheel under the counter... this bulb seems to have blown... I think I've found the problem... just to confirm though does this stays lit continuously when deck is powered up? thanks adrian On 14 May 2006, at 01:05, Adrian Finn wrote: > hi.. > > just got around to putting my 680 all back together, after fixing > the non-pivoting pinch roller... I replaced the cam belt and > counter belts. Did a tiny bit of lubrication too. > > Started it up and to my dismay found that the transport shuts off > about 1 sec. after going into any mode, FF,RW, play etc. > > Both capstans turn, the tape is wound slightly when inserted.. > > Before I started on this, it functioned very well, although the RH > pinch roller didn't move up. > > > Could the tape tension have increased now with the pinch roller > working and so highlighting a worn idler tyre? > > I'm getting more and more tempted to send it to B&W here in the > UK.. I just can't really afford it! > > > > thanks in advance > > adrian > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun May 14 13:59:51 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 04:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 problem In-Reply-To: <4466FA76.6070208@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060514115951.42616.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter - looks same to me. Idler tire completely worn out ( sometimes brass reel motor shaft sleeve would have worn out as well) Replacing idler tire solves the problem. The transport need to be taken out and reel drive idler tire is to be replaced. Quite a work. This machine should have seen extensive use under humid hot conditions possibly. This machine would probably require orange cap replacement as well - due to such a service. Unless it is really low price, you would be looking at good repair cost. kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: Sounds like a worn idler (tire) to me. george valkov wrote: > OK Kannan, so the tape doesn't move for playback and the rewind / fast > forward is slow. But the capstans are running. > > Does that mean anything to you ? I need to judge roughly how expensive > the solution is before buying it. It's had a lot of "field" use as > well, so I'm a bit hesitant anyway. > > George > > > On 5/13/06, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: >> >> Hi George >> can you describe the problem fully please to understand the problem >> correctly. is it that Spools do not turn when you hit play or any other >> transprt functions? >> Kannan >> >> >> george valkov wrote: >> >> What could be the possible cause/remedy for "Capstans turn, but do not >> drive take up spools" ? >> >> George >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun May 14 13:45:19 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 06:45:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: <44652B3A.5090902@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20060512225807.63570.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060512225807.63570.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060514064519.00b41510@pop.earthlink.net> Kermit, I was brainstorming about wow and flutter, and pulled double speed recording out of my hat, but what if that was the secret? Recording 12kHz at 7 1/2 ips would contain flutter frequencies of 30 to 120 Hz, and wow frequencies of 5 to 30 Hz. By 1 7/8 ips playback, these frequencies are shifted to : flutter 7 to 40HZ and wow 1 to 7 Hz. It looks like this would eliminate flutter! If one eliminated the take up clutch, a huge source of wow, by streaming the tape into a bucket, the wow could be reduced enough to make a test tape. I remember Bang and Olufsen talking at length about wow and flutter. Using spectral analysis, they measured discrete frequencies of differing amplitudes. Each rotating element had a frequency associated with its speed and diameter. Their designs staggered all diameters to distribute the frequencies; 2 flywheels of different diameter, 2 different capstan and pinch roller diameters, separate motors for capstan and reel drive, separate belts for each capstan. This approach was used for the BC5000, and I assume for the BC8000. I have one here to play with. I wonder if the 8000 or 5000 might be modified for hi speed? A phase locked capstan using the same technology for vcr drum (headwheel in English) motors with a spectrum analyzer hooked to the fg coil would give a real time read out of W/F, except that caused by tape / pinch roller slippage. Perhaps a direct drive capstan like the Pioneer CT9 might be a good mastering machine? tom brucker At 07:41 PM 5/12/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Scott., > >Scott Johnson wrote: >>>Now this begs another question--is there a list of what the tapes >>>all are, >> >> >> Yes, It's on my main page. >> http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html >> then scroll down to "Nakamichi Calibration Tapes" >> >> >>>and if there's any way to duplicate any of them? >> >> Well Kermit is suppose to be working on this one. > >I do have a working prototype but to be honest I'm not happy with its >quality. The original motive for making my own cassette deck was to >obtain a deck with the quality and tolerances needed to make a test >tape. Recently, I had the rare privilege to spend a day with Johnson >Eider, who was in the business of making reference-quality test tapes in >the 1950s, 1960s and early 1970s. I showed him what I was doing and he >immediately pointed out seven mistakes in my methods, then spent the >next three hours telling me what I needed in the way of test equipment >and different methods of recording. So, I'm in the process of obtaining >what I need. Interestingly, almost any good quality cassette deck can be >adapted to make the alignment tapes but NOT the flutter-and-wow tapes. >I'm modifying one of my 600 to become the test tape recorder. Part of >the modification is to be able to attach an oscilloscope and spectrum >analyzer directly to the heads to monitor the precise frequency curve >and level being recorded. One piece of equipment I need to obtain is a >flux meter to be able to measure the actual flux emitted by the head and >recorded onto the tape, and alas they are a bit pricey. Borrowing one is >out of the question because I need it for each tape made. Making test >tapes is apparently a closely guarded secret, so I was thrilled to be >abble to find someone who would pass along The Secret Formula. > > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun May 14 13:53:49 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 06:53:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: <20060513142502.75485.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060514065349.00b413d0@pop.earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 5687 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun May 14 14:08:03 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:08:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: <394FD207-936C-4B1C-98E3-0289B76760C8@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060514070803.00b5b008@pop.earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 4887 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun May 14 14:21:00 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:21:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A dilemma... In-Reply-To: References: <20060513172058.91784.qmail@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060514072100.00b41510@pop.earthlink.net> Are the Nakamichi changer control codes the same as Sony"s? In other words, will an non-unilink Sony changer e,g, CDX a30, drop into the place of the CDC101? tom brucker At 11:23 PM 5/13/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >Jesse, > >I think I can help by sharing my own experiences. I own the Nak MTD1 and use >its original matching CD changer, the 10 disc CDC-101. The Nak MTD 1 is a >true Nak, made in Japan, not China. Has a "Made in Japan" sticker on it >anyway. It uses the Nak crystalloy heads and although not a dual capstan >version, the tape transport is pretty stable. Certainly not too different >when compared directly to the TD-700/TD-500. It has an aux input and also CD >changer controls. Oh and a remote control too. The adjustable azimuth is >really nice feature and invaluable. The MTD 2 and MTD 3 doesn't have the >adjustable azimuth feature. MTD 2 is basically the same as the MTD 1 except >for adjustable azimuth as they both use the same tape mechanism but the MTD >3 is not the same in all respects. The MTD 3 does not use a crystalloy head, >uses different tape mechanism and does not have remote control functions, >amongst other things. > >The MTD 1 doesn't have a detachable face, instead the whole unit is >removable. The docking cage has three options, the Power Port 1, 2 and 3. >The power port 1 and 2 have a power amp and pre-amp attached but the power >port 3 is a pre-amp only. So if you use outboard amps, all three power ports >are suitable but I personally prefer the power port 3 although I also have >the power port 1. Actually, both my wife and my car uses the MTD 1 and CD >changers. > >The MB9 is a newer CD changer that Nak made after the CDC-101. The CDC-101 >is based on a Sony mechanism and reads CD-R's, CD-RW without any problems >and also have digital outputs and so on. The MB-9 however, is based on a >Sanyo mechanism - I know cos I have two MB-7's, which is basically the same >as the MB-9 but without digital output and separte RCA phono output (which >you can DIY and add on like I've done). The MB-7 and MB-9 do have problems >reading CD-R but more importantly, have problems with the 7 disc CD changer >mechanism, which is very prone to jamming. The jamming is because the >mechanism is a bit fragile due to a design fault and any big bumps and jerks >will cause it to fall out of alignment - in a car big bumps and jerks may >well occur very often! > >So what would I do if in your situation? Well, I am not familiar with the >Sony, but if I definitely need CD capability with ability to read CD-R then >the choice is for a Nak MTD 1 WITH the CDC-101. If it's a Nak MTD 1 with the >MB-9, I would not be so keen due to the issues that affect the MB 7 and 9 >changers. If CD capability is not a concern, I would go with a Nak MTD 1 OR >preferably, the TD500/700 series. Hope this helps you to make up your >mind......... > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun May 14 14:22:09 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:22:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680 auto shutoff In-Reply-To: References: <5342C97E-C4AC-4C93-BB19-C95B8F4EED40@spamcop.net> <5342C97E-C4AC-4C93-BB19-C95B8F4EED40@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060514072209.00b63a88@pop.earthlink.net> you found the problem! tom brucker At 11:10 AM 5/14/2006 +0100, you wrote: >more info.. > >I've just checked the bulb in front of the little holed wheel under >the counter... this bulb seems to have blown... I think I've found >the problem... just to confirm though does this stays lit >continuously when deck is powered up? > > >thanks > >adrian > > >On 14 May 2006, at 01:05, Adrian Finn wrote: > >> hi.. >> >> just got around to putting my 680 all back together, after fixing >> the non-pivoting pinch roller... I replaced the cam belt and >> counter belts. Did a tiny bit of lubrication too. >> >> Started it up and to my dismay found that the transport shuts off >> about 1 sec. after going into any mode, FF,RW, play etc. >> >> Both capstans turn, the tape is wound slightly when inserted.. >> >> Before I started on this, it functioned very well, although the RH >> pinch roller didn't move up. >> >> >> Could the tape tension have increased now with the pinch roller >> working and so highlighting a worn idler tyre? >> >> I'm getting more and more tempted to send it to B&W here in the >> UK.. I just can't really afford it! >> >> >> >> thanks in advance >> >> adrian >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun May 14 14:22:50 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:22:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? In-Reply-To: <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060514072250.00b57218@pop.earthlink.net> Is the counter working? The auto stop engages if the counter belt slips. tom brucker At 08:37 PM 5/13/2006 +0200, you wrote: >Hope not!! > >My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a tape, it >played for about a minute. Then it stopped. > >I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. > >I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would not >play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. > >I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical contacs >(start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) and seemed >fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan is fine. > >However, she is just sitting doing nothing. > >Any well known fault? Any ideas? > >Thanks, slán, LP. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun May 14 14:24:36 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:24:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 problem In-Reply-To: <518b7b10605130335t62b35392i1f95785b0bd3294d@mail.gmail.com > Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060514072436.00b41510@pop.earthlink.net> reel motor failure would be the most severe problem. tom brucker At 11:35 AM 5/13/2006 +0100, you wrote: >What could be the possible cause/remedy for "Capstans turn, but do not >drive take up spools" ? > >George > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun May 14 14:13:59 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:13:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 problem In-Reply-To: <20060514115951.42616.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4466FA76.6070208@xs4all.nl> <20060514115951.42616.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10605140513q3762a75aj8a2f65dfb5b1988b@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Kannan and Wouter, I guess if I do get it cheap enough it will go straight to Bowers and Wilkins. Maybe I'll try and get a quote from them first, based on what you think the problem is. Thanks again, George On 5/14/06, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > Hi Wouter - looks same to me. > Idler tire completely worn out ( sometimes brass reel motor shaft sleeve > would have worn out as well) Replacing idler tire solves the problem. > The transport need to be taken out and reel drive idler tire is to be > replaced. Quite a work. This machine should have seen extensive use under > humid hot conditions possibly. This machine would probably require orange > cap replacement as well - due to such a service. Unless it is really low > price, you would be looking at good repair cost. > kannan > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Sounds like a worn idler (tire) to me. > > george valkov wrote: > > OK Kannan, so the tape doesn't move for playback and the rewind / fast > > forward is slow. But the capstans are running. > > > > Does that mean anything to you ? I need to judge roughly how expensive > > the solution is before buying it. It's had a lot of "field" use as > > well, so I'm a bit hesitant anyway. > > > > George > > > > > > On 5/13/06, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > >> > >> Hi George > >> can you describe the problem fully please to understand the problem > >> correctly. is it that Spools do not turn when you hit play or any other > >> transprt functions? > >> Kannan > >> > >> > >> george valkov wrote: > >> > >> What could be the possible cause/remedy for "Capstans turn, but do not > >> drive take up spools" ? > >> > >> George > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ________________________________ > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min > with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From jeruff at yahoo.com Sun May 14 18:11:27 2006 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A dilemma... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060514161127.57942.qmail@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, Thanks so much for your help. I'm swinging back toward the MTD 1. But...I still have a few questions. First and foremost, did you check out this listing for the TD-1 as he's calling it? (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item= 9723550035&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1) This is the same unit here, correct? Secondly, when you say aux in, are we talking about an additional input or is that the same one the changer would occupy? Third: How much of a pain in the ass is it to take in and out? I would imagine you have to unplug cables in the back? Lastly, if something needs replacing on this sucker, are parts a fantasy? Because my friend has parts for that Sony he's so stuck on. I think he actually has a whole other deck he says we could use for parts... Thanks again for helping a brother on a budget out. -Jesse --- winnie pooh wrote: > > Jesse, > > I think I can help by sharing my own experiences. I > own the Nak MTD1 and use > its original matching CD changer, the 10 disc > CDC-101. The Nak MTD 1 is a > true Nak, made in Japan, not China. Has a "Made in > Japan" sticker on it > anyway. It uses the Nak crystalloy heads and > although not a dual capstan > version, the tape transport is pretty stable. > Certainly not too different > when compared directly to the TD-700/TD-500. It has > an aux input and also CD > changer controls. Oh and a remote control too. The > adjustable azimuth is > really nice feature and invaluable. The MTD 2 and > MTD 3 doesn't have the > adjustable azimuth feature. MTD 2 is basically the > same as the MTD 1 except > for adjustable azimuth as they both use the same > tape mechanism but the MTD > 3 is not the same in all respects. The MTD 3 does > not use a crystalloy head, > uses different tape mechanism and does not have > remote control functions, > amongst other things. > > The MTD 1 doesn't have a detachable face, instead > the whole unit is > removable. The docking cage has three options, the > Power Port 1, 2 and 3. > The power port 1 and 2 have a power amp and pre-amp > attached but the power > port 3 is a pre-amp only. So if you use outboard > amps, all three power ports > are suitable but I personally prefer the power port > 3 although I also have > the power port 1. Actually, both my wife and my car > uses the MTD 1 and CD > changers. > > The MB9 is a newer CD changer that Nak made after > the CDC-101. The CDC-101 > is based on a Sony mechanism and reads CD-R's, CD-RW > without any problems > and also have digital outputs and so on. The MB-9 > however, is based on a > Sanyo mechanism - I know cos I have two MB-7's, > which is basically the same > as the MB-9 but without digital output and separte > RCA phono output (which > you can DIY and add on like I've done). The MB-7 and > MB-9 do have problems > reading CD-R but more importantly, have problems > with the 7 disc CD changer > mechanism, which is very prone to jamming. The > jamming is because the > mechanism is a bit fragile due to a design fault and > any big bumps and jerks > will cause it to fall out of alignment - in a car > big bumps and jerks may > well occur very often! > > So what would I do if in your situation? Well, I am > not familiar with the > Sony, but if I definitely need CD capability with > ability to read CD-R then > the choice is for a Nak MTD 1 WITH the CDC-101. If > it's a Nak MTD 1 with the > MB-9, I would not be so keen due to the issues that > affect the MB 7 and 9 > changers. If CD capability is not a concern, I would > go with a Nak MTD 1 OR > preferably, the TD500/700 series. Hope this helps > you to make up your > mind......... > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From luis at peromarta.org Sun May 14 19:19:10 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 19:19:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060514072250.00b57218@pop.earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060514072250.00b57218@pop.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4467668E.2070500@peromarta.org> Yes, the counter works, however, it does not turn, as nothing turns :( rgds, LP. Tom Brucker wrote: > Is the counter working? The auto stop engages if the counter belt slips. > > tom brucker > > At 08:37 PM 5/13/2006 +0200, you wrote: >> Hope not!! >> >> My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a tape, it >> played for about a minute. Then it stopped. >> >> I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. >> >> I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would not >> play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. >> >> I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical contacs >> (start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) and seemed >> fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan is fine. >> >> However, she is just sitting doing nothing. >> >> Any well known fault? Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, slán, LP. >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Tom Brucker CSM > > A stereo can work, and it can play > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville TN 37211 > 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Sun May 14 19:59:55 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 10:59:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060514072436.00b41510@pop.earthlink.net> Message-ID: ZX9 is direct gear drive as opposed to the ZX7 that is belt drive, right? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 problem reel motor failure would be the most severe problem. tom brucker At 11:35 AM 5/13/2006 +0100, you wrote: >What could be the possible cause/remedy for "Capstans turn, but do not >drive take up spools" ? > >George > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun May 14 20:42:05 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:42:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? In-Reply-To: <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> References: <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <446779FD.30706@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Luis, Check the autostop circuitry. I'll have to get out my service manual to look up the specifics. Do you have s ervice manual? Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hope not!! > > My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a tape, it > played for about a minute. Then it stopped. > > I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. > > I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would not > play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. > > I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical contacs > (start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) and seemed > fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan is fine. > > However, she is just sitting doing nothing. > > Any well known fault? Any ideas? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun May 14 18:48:02 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:48:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] - Compact Disc RECORDER service ? Message-ID: I Found out that one of the trays on my Marantz dual well CD recorder wouldnt open, so I forced it open, and it still will not work. This is an Marantz Pro CD Recorder-it is a dual well unit, and one side( not the recording side) still works. THis unit was retail over 500.00, so I am wondering if anyone might be able to have a look at this, or suggest a place where I would be able to get it serviced. I use this to record CD's off of My Nakamichi RX303, and to record from Nak onto CD. I would be willing to pay a fair service charge for your time and effort. Are these machines fixable? Thanks. I really like this unit for transfer of tapes to cd so looks like I will be buying either another Marantz Pro., or possibly a TDK if I am not able to get this serviced. Thanks again -- From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun May 14 22:15:19 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:15:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 problem In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20060514072436.00b41510@pop.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <518b7b10605141315q541637cn9a919e8dfa7ca174@mail.gmail.com> Direct drive yes, gear drive no. George On 5/14/06, Doane Hoag wrote: > ZX9 is direct gear drive as opposed to the ZX7 that is belt drive, right? > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Tom Brucker > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:25 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 problem > > > reel motor failure would be the most severe problem. > > tom brucker > > > At 11:35 AM 5/13/2006 +0100, you wrote: > >What could be the possible cause/remedy for "Capstans turn, but do not > >drive take up spools" ? > > > >George > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > A stereo can work, and it can play > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville TN 37211 > 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun May 14 22:38:16 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] - Compact Disc RECORDER service ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060514203816.68675.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Look at Marantz. jerryjg a écrit : I Found out that one of the trays on my Marantz dual well CD recorder wouldnt open, so I forced it open, and it still will not work. This is an Marantz Pro CD Recorder-it is a dual well unit, and one side( not the recording side) still works. THis unit was retail over 500.00, so I am wondering if anyone might be able to have a look at this, or suggest a place where I would be able to get it serviced. I use this to record CD's off of My Nakamichi RX303, and to record from Nak onto CD. I would be willing to pay a fair service charge for your time and effort. Are these machines fixable? Thanks. I really like this unit for transfer of tapes to cd so looks like I will be buying either another Marantz Pro., or possibly a TDK if I am not able to get this serviced. Thanks again -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon May 15 04:31:44 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 02:31:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A dilemma... In-Reply-To: <20060514161127.57942.qmail@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tom, You are absolutely right in thinking the changer control codes are the same - yes they are and the CDX-A30 on which the CDC-101 is based does indeed respond to the MTD 1's controls. The only thing is you have to add in a pair of RCA outputs yourself if you use the CDX-A30. The sound from the A30 is not as good as the sound from the CDC-101 though. So would you be able to repair the MTD 1 if I supply you with a service manual as well as some parts? I have a spare MTD 1 that lights up, tape transport and cd changer works BUT no sound ever comes out of it. I would dearly love to get it fixed and keep as a functional vspare unit. I would be willing to ship it from Malaysia to you in USA if you think you are able to work on it...... Jesse, I've seen the auction link and it is indeed the same item. Went for quite a high price, although cheap compared to what they cost new! The aux input is a separate one to all the other inputs, so you can use it for an iPOD or to connect anything else you fancy. Taking it in/out is dead easy, it has a quick release type of mechanism and you basically just press a button, the lever pops out and then you just pull. Takes less than a second or maybe one second if you're not familiar. Just as easy to put it back in, just shove it in till you hear the click and it's back in action! Your parts question I really have no idea on. Tom would be a better person to answer that one. Whatever parts I have have been cannabilised from other dead decks and in fact I tried to look for a replacement reel/drive/capstan motor for it some months ago - the only place that had it was Jeff Galin. So I suppose parts are still available, albeit at a price! From luis at peromarta.org Sun May 14 23:26:03 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 23:26:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? In-Reply-To: <446779FD.30706@woods-and-waters.com> References: <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> <446779FD.30706@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4467A06B.3080708@peromarta.org> Hi K, Well, I have the service manual for the 600, the SM for the 600 II is on the post. Should be here in a few days. However, it auto-stops. I hit play, or FF, or REW, nothing moves, and in a few secs. it auto-stops. Does this clarify anything? rgds, slán, LP. Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Luis, > > Check the autostop circuitry. I'll have to get out my service manual to > look up the specifics. Do you have s ervice manual? > > Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Hope not!! >> >> My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a tape, >> it played for about a minute. Then it stopped. >> >> I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. >> >> I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would not >> play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. >> >> I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical >> contacs (start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) and >> seemed fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan is fine. >> >> However, she is just sitting doing nothing. >> >> Any well known fault? Any ideas? > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon May 15 04:31:06 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:31:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? In-Reply-To: <4467A06B.3080708@peromarta.org> References: <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> <446779FD.30706@woods-and-waters.com> <4467A06B.3080708@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <4467E7EA.6030901@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Luis, Okay, I'll give you my "I'm not sure but this usually works" answer: This is an old machine, probably thirty years old or so. first, I'd remove the belts and thoroughly clean all pulleys then clean the tape hub bearings ... you'll have to remove the hubs, of course. Next, replace all the belts, including the counter belt, then give the rubber rims of the two tape hubs a good cleaning, then clean the motor on/off reed switch with a brief shot of Caig -- ensuring you do not get the belts wet. Then make sure the motor runs and the counter itself moves without binding unduly. I think it also has a little wheel with a magnet by the counter, but that may be the 500 and 550. If it does be sure the little wheel rotates properly and check the magnets are good with an ordinary compass. If that bit of tender-lovin'-care doesn't bring the machine back then you'll have to inspect the autostop electronics as well as the motor switching to see whether a fault exists. If that doesn't turn up anything then let me or Tom know and we'll think of something further. Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi K, > > Well, I have the service manual for the 600, the SM for the 600 II is on > the post. Should be here in a few days. > > However, it auto-stops. I hit play, or FF, or REW, nothing moves, and in > a few secs. it auto-stops. > > Does this clarify anything? > > rgds, slán, LP. > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Hi Luis, >> >> Check the autostop circuitry. I'll have to get out my service manual >> to look up the specifics. Do you have s ervice manual? >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >> >>> Hope not!! >>> >>> My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a tape, >>> it played for about a minute. Then it stopped. >>> >>> I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. >>> >>> I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would >>> not play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. >>> >>> I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical >>> contacs (start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) and >>> seemed fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan is fine. >>> >>> However, she is just sitting doing nothing. >>> >>> Any well known fault? Any ideas? >> >> >> > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon May 15 04:46:49 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:46:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060514064519.00b41510@pop.earthlink.net> References: <20060512225807.63570.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060512225807.63570.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060514064519.00b41510@pop.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4467EB99.6010601@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, You have me doing some thinking there. Good detective work on the flutter and wow! I do have a B&O 9000 that isn't doing anything BUT I'm beginning to think that my 680ZX may be the best deck to make test tapes on. I had orignally decided to use one of my 600-II because I'm so accustomed to getting 600 guts all over my hands. Tom Brucker wrote: > Kermit, > > I was brainstorming about wow and flutter, and pulled double speed > recording out of my hat, but what if that was the secret? Recording 12kHz > at 7 1/2 ips would contain flutter frequencies of 30 to 120 Hz, and wow > frequencies of 5 to 30 Hz. By 1 7/8 ips playback, these frequencies are > shifted to : flutter 7 to 40HZ and wow 1 to 7 Hz. It looks like this would > eliminate flutter! If one eliminated the take up clutch, a huge source of > wow, by streaming the tape into a bucket, the wow could be reduced enough > to make a test tape. > I remember Bang and Olufsen talking at length about wow and flutter. > Using spectral analysis, they measured discrete frequencies of differing > amplitudes. Each rotating element had a frequency associated with its speed > and diameter. Their designs staggered all diameters to distribute the > frequencies; 2 flywheels of different diameter, 2 different capstan and > pinch roller diameters, separate motors for capstan and reel drive, > separate belts for each capstan. This approach was used for the BC5000, > and I assume for the BC8000. I have one here to play with. I wonder if the > 8000 or 5000 might be modified for hi speed? > A phase locked capstan using the same technology for vcr drum (headwheel > in English) motors with a spectrum analyzer hooked to the fg coil would > give a real time read out of W/F, except that caused by tape / pinch roller > slippage. Perhaps a direct drive capstan like the Pioneer CT9 might be a > good mastering machine? > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon May 15 13:33:31 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:33:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment References: <3.0.3.32.20060514070803.00b5b008@pop.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006a01c67813$64bc1f80$357a8d56@compaq> Having a bad day Tom? 53 and thinking of passing on your crown jewels, I don't think so :-) I've a few years on you ,and my flight cases of tapes, jigs and T100 + associated stuff will probably be on Ebay before yours :-) but not soon. Your comments on B&O were interesting I think Nak and them did some work together in the very early days. Certainly Nak took the mech, Diffused-resonance Transport to a whole another level with different diameter capstans and pinch rollers,rotating at different speeds and using special materials for the chassis to absorb motor vibrations etc But probably the main contributor to low W&F is the pad lifter which virtually eliminated Scrape Flutter. Onwards and upwards!! Regards Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment So, I am 53. Who do I pass my tapes, gauges, and service manuals to when I die. Is there any youth represented on NakTalk? I will make an home made alignment tape after each repair, containing 400Hz, 10kHz, 15kHz, 20 kHz, and 3kHz if you supply the ZX blank tape. These settings will be +1 -2dB (except 20kHz which will self erase, so I don't know how tightly the spec with hold up) , and the W/F will be usefull for speed recalibration, and for measuring other lousy decks for curiousity only. tom brucker ? At 01:44 PM 5/13/2006 -0700, you wrote: >>>> There was a nice Stephen Sank' comment as well as price list from Nakamichi on these test tapes and gages. From my knowledge in Engineering and experience, measurement tools require a machine capable of producing extremely accurate gages. So forget reproducing these exactlly the way they are. But making near about 400 Hz level or 15 Khz azimuth tape - it is possible. Will that do - i am not competant enough to answer that question- but my anwer is incase of simple adjustments - they are OK. Coming back to nakamichi tapes and gages for alignment- I paid a lot of money to get them from nakamichi few years back, when nakamichi Japan existed and responded to my request for a quote. They sold me spares and tapes - about 5 years back. A miracle at that time as I got all them ordering from India and the price was cheaper than what nakamichi US quoted. Still I paid a lot of money for customs duty etc. I remember spending excess of about 250$ for each tape - almost 750$ for tilt check gage. Actually these were made by a company in Malasia ( a subcontractor for Nakamichi) . The truth is - the prices of these gages and tapes are not something everybody can buy. Send your machine to Tom - which will be economical in terms of getting it calibrated and maintained than getting these tapes and try to do it yourself. His comments about head height requirements as well as biasing scheme that he got from Nakamichi makes me think that somebody like Tom , Stephen Sank or Jeff have years of experience working with Naks and just these gages alone will not be suficient to get you the results. Kannan Thanks for the info. I think my interest in getting a set is multi-faceted. Yes, I'm kind of interested in maybe having things to fiddle around with with some of my machines--ones that have already been abused enough that they'll probably never be really good again, but can serve to teach me about those machines that are worth saving. However, there's a second reason. It's more likely in the future that one could still find someone with the "general" electronics expertise enough to troubleshoot problems I can't deal with (for whatever reason--time--lack of knowledge, etc.). And certainly someone with that kind of knowledge plus the ability to follow the service manual for the most part could go a long way to fixing things (OK, there are always things you really only know if you're "in the field" but in terms of expertise, you can probably go most of the way to finding it by trading "time to get the problem fixed")--if they had all the necessary equipment. At this point, yes, for the most part it's PROBABLY better to ship to someone with experience since they are difficult but not impossible to find. But there will come a day when the Toms, Kanaans, Balas, Jeffs, Kermits, etc. aren't easily available or exist, at which point the above expertise might be what is needed or more desirable. Even now, with those people, the prospects for those often include a lot of shipping, which is not the most desirable thing when dealing with equipment having delicate mechanical tolerances and adjustments. And that is where having a set of gauges can be useful for the person whose equipment needs them to be able to be adjusted properly. At this point in life, I can at least consider the financial hit on things like gauges as part of the long term investment of the equipment--what I'm mainly objecting to with the unnamed person on ebay (although it seems at least SOME people know who that is referring to) is that, whether or not it's true, I feel like I'm being ripped off (plus they way that person wants finances sent to him doesn't engender confidence). -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon May 15 13:56:58 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:56:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? In-Reply-To: <4467E7EA.6030901@woods-and-waters.com> References: <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> <446779FD.30706@woods-and-waters.com> <4467A06B.3080708@peromarta.org> <4467E7EA.6030901@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <44686C8A.7020809@snet.net> Sounds to me like the motor is carbonized. If you have voltage and the motor doesn't turn then it's almost a definite. I've owned a 250, two 500's and a 600 that have developed this problem, so it's not uncommon. You'll have to pull the motor and rebuild it. It's not too hard a job by any means. Ed >>>> >>>> >>>> My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a >>>> tape, it played for about a minute. Then it stopped. >>>> >>>> I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. >>>> >>>> I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would >>>> not play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. >>>> >>>> I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical >>>> contacs (start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) >>>> and seemed fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan >>>> is fine. >>>> >>>> However, she is just sitting doing nothing. >>>> >>>> Any well known fault? Any ideas? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > From sendigitall at yahoo.com Mon May 15 13:46:46 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 04:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] wat is FG gear In-Reply-To: <200605151004.k4FA0fHa023677@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060515114646.27156.qmail@web52911.mail.yahoo.com> hi i see this FG gear in the motors of all Direct Drive nak decks ...well wat is FG and as far as i could make out from the pictures of it ....i dont think that this gear can rotate ?...so wat is FG and wat does it do ?.... thanks senthil naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: dead 600II ? (Kermit V. Gray) 2. Re: Looking for explanation on track alignment (Kermit V. Gray) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:31:06 -0500 From: "Kermit V. Gray" Subject: Re: [naktalk] dead 600II ? To: Luis Peromarta Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4467E7EA.6030901 at woods-and-waters.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hey Luis, Okay, I'll give you my "I'm not sure but this usually works" answer: This is an old machine, probably thirty years old or so. first, I'd remove the belts and thoroughly clean all pulleys then clean the tape hub bearings ... you'll have to remove the hubs, of course. Next, replace all the belts, including the counter belt, then give the rubber rims of the two tape hubs a good cleaning, then clean the motor on/off reed switch with a brief shot of Caig -- ensuring you do not get the belts wet. Then make sure the motor runs and the counter itself moves without binding unduly. I think it also has a little wheel with a magnet by the counter, but that may be the 500 and 550. If it does be sure the little wheel rotates properly and check the magnets are good with an ordinary compass. If that bit of tender-lovin'-care doesn't bring the machine back then you'll have to inspect the autostop electronics as well as the motor switching to see whether a fault exists. If that doesn't turn up anything then let me or Tom know and we'll think of something further. Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi K, > > Well, I have the service manual for the 600, the SM for the 600 II is on > the post. Should be here in a few days. > > However, it auto-stops. I hit play, or FF, or REW, nothing moves, and in > a few secs. it auto-stops. > > Does this clarify anything? > > rgds, sl�n, LP. > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Hi Luis, >> >> Check the autostop circuitry. I'll have to get out my service manual >> to look up the specifics. Do you have s ervice manual? >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >> >>> Hope not!! >>> >>> My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a tape, >>> it played for about a minute. Then it stopped. >>> >>> I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. >>> >>> I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would >>> not play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. >>> >>> I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical >>> contacs (start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) and >>> seemed fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan is fine. >>> >>> However, she is just sitting doing nothing. >>> >>> Any well known fault? Any ideas? >> >> >> > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:46:49 -0500 From: "Kermit V. Gray" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for explanation on track alignment To: Tom Brucker Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4467EB99.6010601 at woods-and-waters.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Tom, You have me doing some thinking there. Good detective work on the flutter and wow! I do have a B&O 9000 that isn't doing anything BUT I'm beginning to think that my 680ZX may be the best deck to make test tapes on. I had orignally decided to use one of my 600-II because I'm so accustomed to getting 600 guts all over my hands. Tom Brucker wrote: > Kermit, > > I was brainstorming about wow and flutter, and pulled double speed > recording out of my hat, but what if that was the secret? Recording 12kHz > at 7 1/2 ips would contain flutter frequencies of 30 to 120 Hz, and wow > frequencies of 5 to 30 Hz. By 1 7/8 ips playback, these frequencies are > shifted to : flutter 7 to 40HZ and wow 1 to 7 Hz. It looks like this would > eliminate flutter! If one eliminated the take up clutch, a huge source of > wow, by streaming the tape into a bucket, the wow could be reduced enough > to make a test tape. > I remember Bang and Olufsen talking at length about wow and flutter. > Using spectral analysis, they measured discrete frequencies of differing > amplitudes. Each rotating element had a frequency associated with its speed > and diameter. Their designs staggered all diameters to distribute the > frequencies; 2 flywheels of different diameter, 2 different capstan and > pinch roller diameters, separate motors for capstan and reel drive, > separate belts for each capstan. This approach was used for the BC5000, > and I assume for the BC8000. I have one here to play with. I wonder if the > 8000 or 5000 might be modified for hi speed? > A phase locked capstan using the same technology for vcr drum (headwheel > in English) motors with a spectrum analyzer hooked to the fg coil would > give a real time read out of W/F, except that caused by tape / pinch roller > slippage. Perhaps a direct drive capstan like the Pioneer CT9 might be a > good mastering machine? > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 39, Issue 26 *************************************** --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon May 15 15:39:44 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:39:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? In-Reply-To: <44686C8A.7020809@snet.net> References: <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> <446779FD.30706@woods-and-waters.com> <4467A06B.3080708@peromarta.org> <4467E7EA.6030901@woods-and-waters.com> <44686C8A.7020809@snet.net> Message-ID: <446884A0.40204@peromarta.org> The motor is NOT turning, and this particular unit looks well used, so that may be it. I'll give it a try and let you know. LP. Edward Noyes wrote: > Sounds to me like the motor is carbonized. If you have voltage and the > motor doesn't turn then it's almost a definite. I've owned a 250, two > 500's and a 600 that have developed this problem, so it's not uncommon. > You'll have to pull the motor and rebuild it. It's not too hard a job by > any means. > > Ed > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a >>>>> tape, it played for about a minute. Then it stopped. >>>>> >>>>> I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. >>>>> >>>>> I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would >>>>> not play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. >>>>> >>>>> I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical >>>>> contacs (start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) >>>>> and seemed fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan >>>>> is fine. >>>>> >>>>> However, she is just sitting doing nothing. >>>>> >>>>> Any well known fault? Any ideas? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon May 15 16:02:30 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:02:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A dilemma... In-Reply-To: References: <20060514161127.57942.qmail@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060515090230.0081c3f0@earthlink.net> I have the manual, and I don't think special parts are required for a sound issue. I have a good friend who ships high end audio to Malaysia. Would you like me to inquire about the best carriers? I suspect DHL air freight will be the best. When you fill out a customs declaration, make sure you list that it is used and broken, being sent for repair. I can't imagine how much homeland security time it will take, but shipments from Canada take 3 weeks! tom brucker At 02:31 AM 5/15/06 +0000, you wrote: > >Tom, > >You are absolutely right in thinking the changer control codes are the same >- yes they are and the CDX-A30 on which the CDC-101 is based does indeed >respond to the MTD 1's controls. The only thing is you have to add in a pair >of RCA outputs yourself if you use the CDX-A30. The sound from the A30 is >not as good as the sound from the CDC-101 though. > >So would you be able to repair the MTD 1 if I supply you with a service >manual as well as some parts? I have a spare MTD 1 that lights up, tape >transport and cd changer works BUT no sound ever comes out of it. I would >dearly love to get it fixed and keep as a functional vspare unit. I would be >willing to ship it from Malaysia to you in USA if you think you are able to >work on it...... > > >Jesse, > >I've seen the auction link and it is indeed the same item. Went for quite a >high price, although cheap compared to what they cost new! The aux input is >a separate one to all the other inputs, so you can use it for an iPOD or to >connect anything else you fancy. > >Taking it in/out is dead easy, it has a quick release type of mechanism and >you basically just press a button, the lever pops out and then you just >pull. Takes less than a second or maybe one second if you're not familiar. >Just as easy to put it back in, just shove it in till you hear the click and >it's back in action! > >Your parts question I really have no idea on. Tom would be a better person >to answer that one. Whatever parts I have have been cannabilised from other >dead decks and in fact I tried to look for a replacement reel/drive/capstan >motor for it some months ago - the only place that had it was Jeff Galin. So >I suppose parts are still available, albeit at a price! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon May 15 16:07:57 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:07:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] wat is FG gear In-Reply-To: <20060515114646.27156.qmail@web52911.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200605151004.k4FA0fHa023677@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060515090757.0081d970@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 7889 bytes Desc: not available URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue May 16 04:48:58 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 02:48:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A dilemma... In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060515090230.0081c3f0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tom, That would be great! I would dearly love for it to be working again. Maybe we should continue this off list? I woould need your address and I can ship it via airmail from me to you. Also, let me know if you accept PayPal as that would be the easiest way for me to pay you. Thanks. Kelvin. >I have the manual, and I don't think special parts are required for a sound >issue. I have a good friend who ships high end audio to Malaysia. Would >you like me to inquire about the best carriers? I suspect DHL air freight >will be the best. When you fill out a customs declaration, make sure you >list that it is used and broken, being sent for repair. I can't imagine how >much homeland security time it will take, but shipments from Canada take 3 >weeks! > >tom brucker From luis at peromarta.org Tue May 16 11:16:56 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:16:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? NOT QUITE !! In-Reply-To: <44686C8A.7020809@snet.net> References: <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> <446779FD.30706@woods-and-waters.com> <4467A06B.3080708@peromarta.org> <4467E7EA.6030901@woods-and-waters.com> <44686C8A.7020809@snet.net> Message-ID: <44699888.90600@peromarta.org> Yep! motor carbonized, and badly lubricated (too much, and hardned grease). The motor works like a charm now, however, the presure roller has the same problem, hardened grease, and does not spin too easily, and makes the deck run at an uneven speed. Increasing a little the preasure against the pinch roller with my finger helps, but I doubt that should be done. I have tried unassebling the pinch roller, but I don't seem to be able. While in it's assembly it impossible to clean, without using strong solvents that might damage the rubber. Any idea? Thanks, slán, LP. Edward Noyes escribió: > Sounds to me like the motor is carbonized. If you have voltage and the > motor doesn't turn then it's almost a definite. I've owned a 250, two > 500's and a 600 that have developed this problem, so it's not uncommon. > You'll have to pull the motor and rebuild it. It's not too hard a job by > any means. > > Ed > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a >>>>> tape, it played for about a minute. Then it stopped. >>>>> >>>>> I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. >>>>> >>>>> I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would >>>>> not play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. >>>>> >>>>> I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical >>>>> contacs (start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) >>>>> and seemed fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan >>>>> is fine. >>>>> >>>>> However, she is just sitting doing nothing. >>>>> >>>>> Any well known fault? Any ideas? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3305 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk Tue May 16 13:01:53 2006 From: nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk (nigel vernon) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:01:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX stop problem? In-Reply-To: <44699888.90600@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Hi everyone. A little help needed please. Everytime i operate the stop button there is a sqeal likeyou get from sudden breaking with a car.Should I be concerned and is there a solution.Many thanks.Nigel >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><< smime.p7s >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From ady at spamcop.net Tue May 16 13:23:26 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:23:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX stop problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: this is an easy one, i think. You just need a tiny bit of light oil on the mode change gear shaft.. look at this to download a Nakamichi service bulletin about your issue: http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change% 20Noise adrian On 16 May 2006, at 12:01, nigel vernon wrote: > Hi everyone. A little help needed please. Everytime i operate the > stop button there is a sqeal likeyou get from sudden breaking with > a car.Should I be concerned and is there a solution.Many thanks.Nigel >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= > > >> << smime.p7s >> > > > > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue May 16 14:40:29 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:40:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX stop problem? Message-ID: I completely agreed...a drop or two...will work as New!!! Inform us if help? Thanks, ALEX! >From: Adrian Finn >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX stop problem? >Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:23:26 +0100 > >this is an easy one, i think. You just need a tiny bit of light oil on the >mode change gear shaft.. > >look at this to download a Nakamichi service bulletin about your issue: > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change% >20Noise > > >adrian > > > >On 16 May 2006, at 12:01, nigel vernon wrote: > >>Hi everyone. A little help needed please. Everytime i operate the stop >>button there is a sqeal likeyou get from sudden breaking with a >>car.Should I be concerned and is there a solution.Many thanks.Nigel >>>> >>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>naktalk >>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>========= >> >> >>><< smime.p7s >> >> >> >> >> >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger >>7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview >> >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 16 15:54:02 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:54:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? NOT QUITE !! In-Reply-To: <44699888.90600@peromarta.org> References: <44686C8A.7020809@snet.net> <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> <446779FD.30706@woods-and-waters.com> <4467A06B.3080708@peromarta.org> <4467E7EA.6030901@woods-and-waters.com> <44686C8A.7020809@snet.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060516085402.0081d7b0@earthlink.net> I have a used one in good condition. Yours for $4 and postage. tom brucker At 11:16 AM 5/16/06 +0200, you wrote: >Yep! motor carbonized, and badly lubricated (too much, and hardned grease). > >The motor works like a charm now, however, the presure roller has the >same problem, hardened grease, and does not spin too easily, and makes >the deck run at an uneven speed. > >Increasing a little the preasure against the pinch roller with my finger >helps, but I doubt that should be done. I have tried unassebling the >pinch roller, but I don't seem to be able. While in it's assembly it >impossible to clean, without using strong solvents that might damage the >rubber. > >Any idea? > >Thanks, slán, LP. > > > >Edward Noyes escribió: >> Sounds to me like the motor is carbonized. If you have voltage and the >> motor doesn't turn then it's almost a definite. I've owned a 250, two >> 500's and a 600 that have developed this problem, so it's not uncommon. >> You'll have to pull the motor and rebuild it. It's not too hard a job by >> any means. >> >> Ed >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a >>>>>> tape, it played for about a minute. Then it stopped. >>>>>> >>>>>> I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. >>>>>> >>>>>> I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would >>>>>> not play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical >>>>>> contacs (start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) >>>>>> and seemed fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan >>>>>> is fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, she is just sitting doing nothing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any well known fault? Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\smime.p7s" >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From luis at peromarta.org Tue May 16 21:08:15 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:08:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? some pictures ... In-Reply-To: <44699888.90600@peromarta.org> References: <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> <446779FD.30706@woods-and-waters.com> <4467A06B.3080708@peromarta.org> <4467E7EA.6030901@woods-and-waters.com> <44686C8A.7020809@snet.net> <44699888.90600@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <446A231F.5050804@peromarta.org> FYI, http://peromarta.org/naks/600II.html Best rgds, LP. Luis Peromarta wrote: > Yep! motor carbonized, and badly lubricated (too much, and hardned grease). > > The motor works like a charm now, however, the presure roller has the > same problem, hardened grease, and does not spin too easily, and makes > the deck run at an uneven speed. > > Increasing a little the preasure against the pinch roller with my finger > helps, but I doubt that should be done. I have tried unassebling the > pinch roller, but I don't seem to be able. While in it's assembly it > impossible to clean, without using strong solvents that might damage the > rubber. > > Any idea? > > Thanks, slán, LP. > > > > Edward Noyes escribió: >> Sounds to me like the motor is carbonized. If you have voltage and the >> motor doesn't turn then it's almost a definite. I've owned a 250, two >> 500's and a 600 that have developed this problem, so it's not >> uncommon. You'll have to pull the motor and rebuild it. It's not too >> hard a job by any means. >> >> Ed >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a >>>>>> tape, it played for about a minute. Then it stopped. >>>>>> >>>>>> I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. >>>>>> >>>>>> I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would >>>>>> not play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical >>>>>> contacs (start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) >>>>>> and seemed fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan >>>>>> is fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, she is just sitting doing nothing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any well known fault? Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue May 16 21:25:08 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:25:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? some pictures ... In-Reply-To: <446A231F.5050804@peromarta.org> References: <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> <446779FD.30706@woods-and-waters.com> <4467A06B.3080708@peromarta.org> <4467E7EA.6030901@woods-and-waters.com> <44686C8A.7020809@snet.net> <44699888.90600@peromarta.org> <446A231F.5050804@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <446A2714.9020108@xs4all.nl> Hi Luis, Great pictures, thanks! Can you explain what exactly has to be done to the motor once you dismantled it like you did in the pictures? I never did something like this and I suspect now my 550 of having this problem too... Wouter Luis Peromarta wrote: > FYI, > > http://peromarta.org/naks/600II.html > > Best rgds, LP. > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Yep! motor carbonized, and badly lubricated (too much, and hardned >> grease). >> >> The motor works like a charm now, however, the presure roller has the >> same problem, hardened grease, and does not spin too easily, and >> makes the deck run at an uneven speed. >> >> Increasing a little the preasure against the pinch roller with my >> finger helps, but I doubt that should be done. I have tried >> unassebling the pinch roller, but I don't seem to be able. While in >> it's assembly it impossible to clean, without using strong solvents >> that might damage the rubber. >> >> Any idea? >> >> Thanks, slán, LP. >> From nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk Tue May 16 21:38:49 2006 From: nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk (nigel vernon) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:38:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX stop problem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Adrian, I am sure you are right. But how do you get at it? I am a bit wary of doing something else wrong in the process. Nigel >From: Adrian Finn >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX stop problem? >Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:23:26 +0100 > >this is an easy one, i think. You just need a tiny bit of light oil on the >mode change gear shaft.. > >look at this to download a Nakamichi service bulletin about your issue: > >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change% >20Noise > > >adrian > > > >On 16 May 2006, at 12:01, nigel vernon wrote: > >>Hi everyone. A little help needed please. Everytime i operate the stop >>button there is a sqeal likeyou get from sudden breaking with a >>car.Should I be concerned and is there a solution.Many thanks.Nigel >>>> >>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>naktalk >>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>========= >> >> >>><< smime.p7s >> >> >> >> >> >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger >>7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview >> >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://join.msn.com/toolbar/overview From luis at peromarta.org Tue May 16 21:51:11 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:51:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? some pictures ... In-Reply-To: <446A2714.9020108@xs4all.nl> References: <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> <446779FD.30706@woods-and-waters.com> <4467A06B.3080708@peromarta.org> <4467E7EA.6030901@woods-and-waters.com> <44686C8A.7020809@snet.net> <44699888.90600@peromarta.org> <446A231F.5050804@peromarta.org> <446A2714.9020108@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <446A2D2F.4060804@peromarta.org> I just cleaned it the best I could, using cotton ear sticks, 96º alcohol, and lubricating with a tiny drop of "fast" oil (sewing machine). I had the motor running on an external, 6V power supply for a couple of hours. Be extra carefull when dismantling the inner housing of the motor (held with three screws), make sure you mark the position, from 3 possible ones, one makes rotating direction good, another makes reverse rotation, another one cancels magnetic flux, and there is no rotation. See picture "Motor Disasembly 1", where I am ready to start opening the inner housing. Best rgds, LP. Wouter Heijke escribió: > Hi Luis, > > Great pictures, thanks! > Can you explain what exactly has to be done to the motor once you > dismantled it like you did in the pictures? > I never did something like this and I suspect now my 550 of having this > problem too... > > Wouter > > Luis Peromarta wrote: >> FYI, >> >> http://peromarta.org/naks/600II.html >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Yep! motor carbonized, and badly lubricated (too much, and hardned >>> grease). >>> >>> The motor works like a charm now, however, the presure roller has the >>> same problem, hardened grease, and does not spin too easily, and >>> makes the deck run at an uneven speed. >>> >>> Increasing a little the preasure against the pinch roller with my >>> finger helps, but I doubt that should be done. I have tried >>> unassebling the pinch roller, but I don't seem to be able. While in >>> it's assembly it impossible to clean, without using strong solvents >>> that might damage the rubber. >>> >>> Any idea? >>> >>> Thanks, slán, LP. >>> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3305 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From ady at spamcop.net Tue May 16 22:27:32 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:27:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX stop problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C8DE0C0-3E9E-4399-BF6F-1A41A6705F2F@spamcop.net> quite easy.. I have a 680 that's very similar to yours... if you take the main cover off and look from the front you'll see the the cam mode motor on the right of the transport... It's smaller than the other motors and on the far right of the transport look from above and from the front... Just above it is the gear that is probably squealing.. You can see from the link where to oil.. I bought some oil made by a company called Prolong, called Multi- purpose precision oil. It comes in a handy pen type case with a long thin applicator tube that's just right for giving a tiny drop to things like this... You really don't want to be using lots or spraying WD40 around!! I bought my oil from the Prolong site in the UK.. not cheap but it's not that easy to find locally.. http://www.prolong-uk.com There are loads of other suitable lubricants and there's excellent knowledge on this list about such things! It won't seem as daunting once you start! adrian On 16 May 2006, at 20:38, nigel vernon wrote: > > Thanks Adrian, I am sure you are right. But how do you get at it? I > am a bit wary of doing something else wrong in the process. > Nigel > >> From: Adrian Finn >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX stop problem? >> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:23:26 +0100 >> >> this is an easy one, i think. You just need a tiny bit of light >> oil on the mode change gear shaft.. >> >> look at this to download a Nakamichi service bulletin about your >> issue: >> >> http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change >> % 20Noise >> >> >> adrian >> >> >> >> On 16 May 2006, at 12:01, nigel vernon wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone. A little help needed please. Everytime i operate >>> the stop button there is a sqeal likeyou get from sudden >>> breaking with a car.Should I be concerned and is there a >>> solution.Many thanks.Nigel >>>>> >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/ >>>>> listinfo/ naktalk >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>> >>> >>>> << smime.p7s >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- = >>>> ======== >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- = >>>> ======== >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/ >>>> listinfo/ naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- = >>>> ======== >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN >>> Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http:// > join.msn.com/toolbar/overview > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue May 16 22:35:10 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:35:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? some pictures ... In-Reply-To: <446A231F.5050804@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Bravo Luchito! However...where are the two black handles? Looks also heavy used (Knobs!!!). Whatever...enjoy! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Luis Peromarta >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] dead 600II ? some pictures ... >Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:08:15 +0200 > >FYI, > >http://peromarta.org/naks/600II.html > >Best rgds, LP. > > >Luis Peromarta wrote: >>Yep! motor carbonized, and badly lubricated (too much, and hardned >>grease). >> >>The motor works like a charm now, however, the presure roller has the same >>problem, hardened grease, and does not spin too easily, and makes the deck >>run at an uneven speed. >> >>Increasing a little the preasure against the pinch roller with my finger >>helps, but I doubt that should be done. I have tried unassebling the pinch >>roller, but I don't seem to be able. While in it's assembly it impossible >>to clean, without using strong solvents that might damage the rubber. >> >>Any idea? >> >>Thanks, sl�n, LP. >> >> >> >>Edward Noyes escribi�: >>>Sounds to me like the motor is carbonized. If you have voltage and the >>>motor doesn't turn then it's almost a definite. I've owned a 250, two >>>500's and a 600 that have developed this problem, so it's not uncommon. >>>You'll have to pull the motor and rebuild it. It's not too hard a job by >>>any means. >>> >>>Ed >>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My recently e-bayed 600II is kindda dead. When I first played a tape, >>>>>>>it played for about a minute. Then it stopped. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I tried rewinding, and did so for 5 seconds. Then it stopped. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I turned it off, left it for a couple of hours, tried again, would >>>>>>>not play, rewinded for 5 secs, to never move again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have tried giving it a good cleaning, including the mechanical >>>>>>>contacs (start SW, mute SW), checked supply (-0,7V, 11.5V ad 18V) and >>>>>>>seemed fine, belts look fine, preasure roller is fine, capstan is >>>>>>>fine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>However, she is just sitting doing nothing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Any well known fault? Any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue May 16 23:04:42 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX stop problem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060516210442.8860.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> More specifically take a look at Nakamichi service bulletin NR-0040 http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_NR-0040.gif SJ --- Adrian Finn wrote: > this is an easy one, i think. You just need a tiny bit of light oil > > on the mode change gear shaft.. > > look at this to download a Nakamichi service bulletin about your > issue: > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change% > > 20Noise > > > adrian > > > > On 16 May 2006, at 12:01, nigel vernon wrote: > > > Hi everyone. A little help needed please. Everytime i operate the > > > stop button there is a sqeal likeyou get from sudden breaking > with > > a car.Should I be concerned and is there a solution.Many > thanks.Nigel > >>> > >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > >>> naktalk > >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > > > > > >> << smime.p7s >> > > > > > > > > > >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > >> naktalk > >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN > > Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk Tue May 16 23:27:30 2006 From: nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk (nigel vernon) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:27:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX stop problem? In-Reply-To: <5C8DE0C0-3E9E-4399-BF6F-1A41A6705F2F@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Thanks again Adrian.Is the oil used for turntable bearings suitable for this job? >From: Adrian Finn >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX stop problem? >Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:27:32 +0100 > >quite easy.. I have a 680 that's very similar to yours... if you take the >main cover off and look from the front you'll see the the cam mode motor >on the right of the transport... It's smaller than the other motors and on >the far right of the transport look from above and from the front... Just >above it is the gear that is probably squealing.. You can see from the >link where to oil.. > >I bought some oil made by a company called Prolong, called Multi- purpose >precision oil. It comes in a handy pen type case with a long thin >applicator tube that's just right for giving a tiny drop to things like >this... You really don't want to be using lots or spraying WD40 around!! > >I bought my oil from the Prolong site in the UK.. not cheap but it's not >that easy to find locally.. > >http://www.prolong-uk.com > >There are loads of other suitable lubricants and there's excellent >knowledge on this list about such things! > >It won't seem as daunting once you start! > > >adrian > > > >On 16 May 2006, at 20:38, nigel vernon wrote: > >> >>Thanks Adrian, I am sure you are right. But how do you get at it? I am a >>bit wary of doing something else wrong in the process. >>Nigel >> >>>From: Adrian Finn >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX stop problem? >>>Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:23:26 +0100 >>> >>>this is an easy one, i think. You just need a tiny bit of light oil on >>>the mode change gear shaft.. >>> >>>look at this to download a Nakamichi service bulletin about your issue: >>> >>>http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change % >>>20Noise >>> >>> >>>adrian >>> >>> >>> >>>On 16 May 2006, at 12:01, nigel vernon wrote: >>> >>>>Hi everyone. A little help needed please. Everytime i operate the stop >>>>button there is a sqeal likeyou get from sudden breaking with a >>>>car.Should I be concerned and is there a solution.Many thanks.Nigel >>>>>> >>>>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>========= >>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/ listinfo/ >>>>>>naktalk >>>>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>========= >>>> >>>> >>>>><< smime.p7s >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- = >>>>>======== >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- = >>>>>======== >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/ listinfo/ >>>>>naktalk >>>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- = >>>>>======== >>>> >>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN >>>>Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview >>>> >>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>naktalk >>>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>========= >>> >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >>>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>========= >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http:// >>join.msn.com/toolbar/overview >> >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview From luis at peromarta.org Wed May 17 12:42:16 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:42:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi related website Message-ID: <446AFE08.2000904@peromarta.org> My site, of course. http://peromarta.org/main/naks.html Hope you like it, inputs and feedback most welcome. Best rgds, slán, LP. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 17 23:41:20 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:41:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? some pictures ... In-Reply-To: <446A2D2F.4060804@peromarta.org> References: <446A2714.9020108@xs4all.nl> <44662761.1010700@peromarta.org> <446779FD.30706@woods-and-waters.com> <4467A06B.3080708@peromarta.org> <4467E7EA.6030901@woods-and-waters.com> <44686C8A.7020809@snet.net> <44699888.90600@peromarta.org> <446A231F.5050804@peromarta.org> <446A2714.9020108@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060517164120.0081d1b0@earthlink.net> If you have Caig DeOxit D5 cleaner a short spray on the brushes and 30 seconds at 12 v will clean the brushes and commutator. 10kHz at -8 is a bit too high for record bias setting. I suspect you are underbiased, so recordings are over bright. You might run the test at -20, and compare, using your scope (I assume you have no AC voltmeter). I like to use 12kHz, rather than 10kHz. tom brucker At 09:51 PM 5/16/06 +0200, you wrote: >I just cleaned it the best I could, using cotton ear sticks, 96º >alcohol, and lubricating with a tiny drop of "fast" oil (sewing >machine). I had the motor running on an external, 6V power supply for a >couple of hours. > >Be extra carefull when dismantling the inner housing of the motor (held >with three screws), make sure you mark the position, from 3 possible >ones, one makes rotating direction good, another makes reverse rotation, > another one cancels magnetic flux, and there is no rotation. > >See picture "Motor Disasembly 1", where I am ready to start opening the >inner housing. > >Best rgds, LP. > > > >Wouter Heijke escribió: >> Hi Luis, >> >> Great pictures, thanks! >> Can you explain what exactly has to be done to the motor once you >> dismantled it like you did in the pictures? >> I never did something like this and I suspect now my 550 of having this >> problem too... >> >> Wouter >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> FYI, >>> >>> http://peromarta.org/naks/600II.html >>> >>> Best rgds, LP. >>> >>> >>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> Yep! motor carbonized, and badly lubricated (too much, and hardned >>>> grease). >>>> >>>> The motor works like a charm now, however, the presure roller has the >>>> same problem, hardened grease, and does not spin too easily, and >>>> makes the deck run at an uneven speed. >>>> >>>> Increasing a little the preasure against the pinch roller with my >>>> finger helps, but I doubt that should be done. I have tried >>>> unassebling the pinch roller, but I don't seem to be able. While in >>>> it's assembly it impossible to clean, without using strong solvents >>>> that might damage the rubber. >>>> >>>> Any idea? >>>> >>>> Thanks, slán, LP. >>>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\smime.p7s" >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From lenaw at flash.net Wed May 17 23:25:14 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playback circuitry Message-ID: <20060517212514.85796.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Forum Members: There is a cassette forum in China ( mainland ) in which somebody is talking about using a OEM cassette deck but replacing both the record and playback circuitry with vaccum tube(s) sections. Any comment(s) on this effort over here. Regards, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Andy Dublin Ireland ----- Original Message ----- From: rjkent at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Knob Does anyone have a master record level knob (the center knob - HA05340A) for a CR-4 that they would be willing to sell? I believe it is the same knob that fits the CR-1, 2, and 3. Robert Kent ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu May 18 11:13:40 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:13:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NR200 on ebay UK Message-ID: <518b7b10605180213p6b4b4152sa47c03f4a6cc2608@mail.gmail.com> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7619705709&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 If anyone is interested. George From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 18 14:24:35 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ronnie) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:24:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playback circuitry In-Reply-To: <20060517212514.85796.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060517212514.85796.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <446C6783.6000200@rcn.com> LENA WONG wrote: > Hi Forum Members: > There is a cassette forum in China ( > mainland ) in which somebody is talking about using a OEM cassette deck > but replacing both the record and playback circuitry with vaccum tube(s) > sections. Any comment(s) on this effort over here. Yea... It's like getting a Ford Model A and replacing the engine with a steam engine. -- Ron > > > Regards, > Mike From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu May 18 14:37:27 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:37:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] German repair address? Message-ID: <11459.212.78.164.66.1147955847.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Funny how these questions travel... from nakamichi.com forwarded to nakamichi.us and finally forwarded to naks.com... someone in Germany asks for the good place in Germany to have his BX300 repaired and now ends up with me... Anyone know of a place in Germany before I'll advise him to go to the 4th door (B&W)? Wouter From lenaw at flash.net Thu May 18 15:12:15 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 06:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060518131215.51698.qmail@web80222.mail.yahoo.com> Actually somebody has already did that on transistorized Reel-to-Reel machines but no afford has been made on cassette so far. There may not be an accuracy issue instead but how it sounds ( just like transistor versus tube sounds ). Mike Nelson wrote: For a tube fan I dare say it will be a lot of fun but I doubt if it will make the deck any more accurate. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 17 May 2006 22:25 To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitry Hi Forum Members: There is a cassette forum in China ( mainland ) in which somebody is talking about using a OEM cassette deck but replacing both the record and playback circuitry with vaccum tube(s) sections. Any comment(s) on this effort over here. Regards, Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From WS407C at comcast.net Thu May 18 15:25:30 2006 From: WS407C at comcast.net (WS407C at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:25:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playback circuitry Message-ID: <051820061325.24687.446C75CA000570AE0000606F2213528573BCC9CFCBACA9@comcast.net> Personally I would like to see a vacuum tube circuit specifically designed for the ever so special Nakamichi head's. I personally run my ZX-9 directly to a single ended triode power amplifier and am quite happy with this sound and the idea of a all tube playback circuit in my ZX-9 sounds like it would sound superb. I am open for any ideas on this ! Dave LENA WONG wrote: > Hi Forum Members: > There is a cassette forum in China ( > mainland ) in which somebody is talking about using a OEM cassette deck > but replacing both the record and playback circuitry with vaccum tube(s) > sections. Any comment(s) on this effort over here. Yea... It's like getting a Ford Model A and replacing the engine with a steam engine. -- Ron From dam509 at zonnet.nl Thu May 18 21:39:25 2006 From: dam509 at zonnet.nl (dam509 at zonnet.nl) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:39:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 can hear recording at B-side Message-ID: <1147981165.446ccd6de27cd@webmail.versatel.nl> Hello all, I have a Cr7 and when I make a recording on the tape’s A-side I can hear it on the B-side backwards very quiet but still so hard that the right level meter lights on at 40 dB. Does anyone have the same problem? Or does anyone know what it is? Has this something to do with the channel separation which is better than 37dB? The level meters are at a maximum of 5 dB with a Maxell XLII tape Dear regards, Rudy Dam The Netherlands -- _____________________________________________________________________ Tele2 - The company that brings you small bills! http://www.tele2.nl From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu May 18 22:04:15 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:04:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playback circuitry In-Reply-To: <20060517212514.85796.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060517212514.85796.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <446CD33F.8030600@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mike, LENA WONG wrote: > There is a cassette forum in China ( > mainland ) in which somebody is talking about using a OEM cassette deck > but replacing both the record and playback circuitry with vaccum tube(s) > sections. Any comment(s) on this effort over here. Actually, this makes me happy because it tells me that I may have underestimated the demand for a tube cassette deck. Mine is coming along slowly because I've been treating it as a spare-time project and because I lack the capital resources to devote full time to it. I have to take money earned frojm other activities and put it into the project. Hmm. It seems I should be giving my cassette deck a higher priority. The Chinese will beat my deck to the market, most likely, but I'm not worried about the competition. Unlike this Chinese project I'm designing my own transport instead of using an OEM transport and my electronics, even though they're tube, use new technology to improve the basic analog recording process. I have to admit the reason I'm using tube electronics has nothing to do with tubes sounding "better" but because it's easier for me to implement my improvements to analog tape recording technology by using tubes. Tubes have characteristics different from transistors that I can exploit to achieve my design objective more easily. I could do the same thing with transistors but it would be far more intricate and in many ways less effective than my tube implementations. I've written about this in past messages, so I'll not go over the same ground in this message. Over the years, I've made custom sets of tube electronics for several solid state recorders, including Scully 100, 280, and 280B; 3M 79, Ampex 400 and 440; Nakamichi 600, 600-II; and Studer A80. The Nak 600 conversions are best done using nuvistors, but those are now extremely difficult to find. Failing that, 6AU6A/EF94 is a good choice for the reproduce preamps. Done properly, a tube electronics conversion will allow the designer to do one of two things. Firstly, you can change the sonic signature of the tape recorder to enhance the subjective aspects of a recording. Secondly, you can take advantage of the unique aspects of tube operation to make the recorder quieter and to increase its peak headroom. Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- to expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of each technology. I'm always suprised by how few persons know that tubes are capable of the same low distortion and low noise normally associated only with transistorized products. Frankly, taking a stance that is fervently anti-tube, (or anti-transistor, or tube-only, or transistor-only, or digital only, or analog only, and so on) shows a lack of understanding, discernment, and experience and such stands speak more to the individual's ego or to a commercial interest in a particular technology than it does to anything of substance. Sorry if that comes off harsh, but I've yet to meet a top audio person who takes an absolute posture for or against any particular audio technology except when they have a commercial insterest in the technology they are promoting or criticizing. The inevitable (yet silly) tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the domain of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who like to argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu May 18 22:38:09 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:38:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 can hear recording at B-side In-Reply-To: <1147981165.446ccd6de27cd@webmail.versatel.nl> References: <1147981165.446ccd6de27cd@webmail.versatel.nl> Message-ID: <446CDB30.7000207@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Rudy, This is probably a symptom of the reproduce head azimuth being severely misaligned. I've experienced this same things (rarely) with other makes and models of cassette decks and head azimuth misalignment has always been the cause. dam509 at zonnet.nl wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a Cr7 and when I make a recording on the tape’s A-side I can hear it on the B-side backwards very quiet > but still so hard that the right level meter lights on at 40 dB. > > Does anyone have the same problem? Or does anyone know what it is? > > Has this something to do with the channel separation which is better than 37dB? > > The level meters are at a maximum of 5 dB with a Maxell XLII tape -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri May 19 01:06:41 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 can hear recording at B-side In-Reply-To: <1147981165.446ccd6de27cd@webmail.versatel.nl> Message-ID: <20060518230642.22847.qmail@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It kinda sounds like a record head height alignment issue. It should only be on one channel, if it's a mechanical issue. I can't remember which channel is recorded toward the center of the tape. It could be the playback head height as well. Do you hear this playing a tape that was recorded on another deck? If you don't hear it then it's probably the record head. If you do hear it, then it's probably the playback head. Are you absolutely sure it's backwards? If it's not backwards then it's print through which is more common and not a mechanical alignment issue. SJ --- dam509 at zonnet.nl wrote: > > Hello all, > > I have a Cr7 and when I make a recording on the tape’s A-side I > can hear it on the B-side backwards very quiet > but still so hard that the right level meter lights on at 40 dB. > > Does anyone have the same problem? Or does anyone know what it is? > > Has this something to do with the channel separation which is > better than 37dB? > > The level meters are at a maximum of 5 dB with a Maxell XLII tape > > Dear regards, > > Rudy Dam > > The Netherlands > > > > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Tele2 - The company that brings you small bills! > http://www.tele2.nl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 19 01:32:39 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:32:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 can hear recording at B-side In-Reply-To: <1147981165.446ccd6de27cd@webmail.versatel.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060518183239.0082a100@earthlink.net> Two possible reasons. The most likely is play head height has been misadjusted. The other is a bent guide. Does your deck wrinkle tape at all? Play a bit, then rewind and examine the tape you played with good light, the tape should be smooth, flat and shiny. If it is wrinkled along the top or bottom edge, then the take up guide is misaligned. Post your findings, and I will help you get the problem resolved. tom brucker At 09:39 PM 5/18/06 +0200, you wrote: > >Hello all, > > I have a Cr7 and when I make a recording on the tape�s A-side I can hear it on the B-side backwards very quiet >but still so hard that the right level meter lights on at 40 dB. > >Does anyone have the same problem? Or does anyone know what it is? > >Has this something to do with the channel separation which is better than 37dB? > > The level meters are at a maximum of 5 dB with a Maxell XLII tape > > Dear regards, > > Rudy Dam > >The Netherlands > > > > >-- >_____________________________________________________________________ >Tele2 - The company that brings you small bills! >http://www.tele2.nl > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 19 01:28:11 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:28:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <446CD33F.8030600@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20060517212514.85796.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> <20060517212514.85796.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060518182811.00829c40@earthlink.net> Kermit, I have 7 NOS RCA 8056 nuvistors you may have if it will help your efforts. tom brucker At 03:04 PM 5/18/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Mike, > >LENA WONG wrote: >> There is a cassette forum in China ( >> mainland ) in which somebody is talking about using a OEM cassette deck >> but replacing both the record and playback circuitry with vaccum tube(s) >> sections. Any comment(s) on this effort over here. > >Actually, this makes me happy because it tells me that I may have >underestimated the demand for a tube cassette deck. Mine is coming along >slowly because I've been treating it as a spare-time project and because >I lack the capital resources to devote full time to it. I have to take >money earned frojm other activities and put it into the project. > >Hmm. It seems I should be giving my cassette deck a higher priority. The >Chinese will beat my deck to the market, most likely, but I'm not >worried about the competition. > >Unlike this Chinese project I'm designing my own transport instead of >using an OEM transport and my electronics, even though they're tube, use >new technology to improve the basic analog recording process. I have to >admit the reason I'm using tube electronics has nothing to do with tubes >sounding "better" but because it's easier for me to implement my >improvements to analog tape recording technology by using tubes. Tubes >have characteristics different from transistors that I can exploit to >achieve my design objective more easily. I could do the same thing with >transistors but it would be far more intricate and in many ways less >effective than my tube implementations. I've written about this in past >messages, so I'll not go over the same ground in this message. > >Over the years, I've made custom sets of tube electronics for several >solid state recorders, including Scully 100, 280, and 280B; 3M 79, Ampex >400 and 440; Nakamichi 600, 600-II; and Studer A80. The Nak 600 >conversions are best done using nuvistors, but those are now extremely >difficult to find. Failing that, 6AU6A/EF94 is a good choice for the >reproduce preamps. > >Done properly, a tube electronics conversion will allow the designer to >do one of two things. Firstly, you can change the sonic signature of the >tape recorder to enhance the subjective aspects of a recording. >Secondly, you can take advantage of the unique aspects of tube operation >to make the recorder quieter and to increase its peak headroom. > >Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid >state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one >person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every >technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- to >expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of each >technology. I'm always suprised by how few persons know that tubes are >capable of the same low distortion and low noise normally associated >only with transistorized products. > >Frankly, taking a stance that is fervently anti-tube, (or >anti-transistor, or tube-only, or transistor-only, or digital only, or >analog only, and so on) shows a lack of understanding, discernment, and >experience and such stands speak more to the individual's ego or to a >commercial interest in a particular technology than it does to anything >of substance. Sorry if that comes off harsh, but I've yet to meet a top >audio person who takes an absolute posture for or against any particular >audio technology except when they have a commercial insterest in the >technology they are promoting or criticizing. The inevitable (yet silly) >tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the domain >of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who like to >argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. > > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 18 23:38:31 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:38:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <446CD33F.8030600@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit said: Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- to expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of each technology. Well put. There are similar analogies, I think - 35mm or digital versus full plate photography; water colours versus oils; digital (on-line) editing versus linear (off-line) editing. Each has its place (advantages and disadvantages) individually or as part of the artists' palettes. Kermit also said: The inevitable (yet silly) tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the domain of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who like to argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. In fairness, I think the hi fi press have added fuel to these arguments. But before them the seeds were sown by the manufacturers who followed the fashionable trend in the 1960s away from tubes to transistors and claimed they were better for whatever reason. Harold J Leak switched from tubes to transistors simply because he felt they were the "new technology" and tubes were "old". BTW, it is only in recent years that the Russians have moved over the manufacturing a wide range of goods using transistors and not tubes. The belief during the Cold War era was that the Russian military stuck with tubes because it was believed they would survive nuclear explosions. About a year ago I heard a Russian military expert interviewed and he was asked about this. It was, he said bullsh#t. The only reason they used values in the past was because they couldn't make transistors as well as we could in the West! I wonder if this has also been true of the Chinese ... Gra' From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri May 19 03:25:40 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 20:25:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060518182811.00829c40@earthlink.net> References: <20060517212514.85796.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> <20060517212514.85796.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20060518182811.00829c40@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <446D1E94.4050202@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > I have 7 NOS RCA 8056 nuvistors you may have if it will help your > efforts. > Wow! Yes, please! The nuvistors I used most often were the 8056, 6DS4 and 6CW4. More importanly, do you have a nuvistor socket I could beg, borrow or buy? I'd like to get one so I can have it copied so that new ones can be made. The real problem is finding nuvistor sockets. I think Acoustic Research has bought up every one they could find. > tom brucker > > At 03:04 PM 5/18/06 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hi Mike, >> >>LENA WONG wrote: >> >>>There is a cassette forum in China ( >>>mainland ) in which somebody is talking about using a OEM cassette deck >>>but replacing both the record and playback circuitry with vaccum tube(s) >>>sections. Any comment(s) on this effort over here. >> >>Actually, this makes me happy because it tells me that I may have >>underestimated the demand for a tube cassette deck. Mine is coming along >>slowly because I've been treating it as a spare-time project and because >>I lack the capital resources to devote full time to it. I have to take >>money earned frojm other activities and put it into the project. >> >>Hmm. It seems I should be giving my cassette deck a higher priority. The >>Chinese will beat my deck to the market, most likely, but I'm not >>worried about the competition. >> >>Unlike this Chinese project I'm designing my own transport instead of >>using an OEM transport and my electronics, even though they're tube, use >>new technology to improve the basic analog recording process. I have to >>admit the reason I'm using tube electronics has nothing to do with tubes >>sounding "better" but because it's easier for me to implement my >>improvements to analog tape recording technology by using tubes. Tubes >>have characteristics different from transistors that I can exploit to >>achieve my design objective more easily. I could do the same thing with >>transistors but it would be far more intricate and in many ways less >>effective than my tube implementations. I've written about this in past >>messages, so I'll not go over the same ground in this message. >> >>Over the years, I've made custom sets of tube electronics for several >>solid state recorders, including Scully 100, 280, and 280B; 3M 79, Ampex >>400 and 440; Nakamichi 600, 600-II; and Studer A80. The Nak 600 >>conversions are best done using nuvistors, but those are now extremely >>difficult to find. Failing that, 6AU6A/EF94 is a good choice for the >>reproduce preamps. >> >>Done properly, a tube electronics conversion will allow the designer to >>do one of two things. Firstly, you can change the sonic signature of the >>tape recorder to enhance the subjective aspects of a recording. >>Secondly, you can take advantage of the unique aspects of tube operation >>to make the recorder quieter and to increase its peak headroom. >> >>Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid >>state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one >>person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every >>technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- to >>expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of each >>technology. I'm always suprised by how few persons know that tubes are >>capable of the same low distortion and low noise normally associated >>only with transistorized products. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Fri May 19 10:42:56 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:42:56 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] re: CR-4 knob.. Message-ID: <004201c67b20$3a1a2640$0201a8c0@lan> Robert, What is the problem with your CR-4 rec control knob....missing??.. contact me off list.. it is a long shot but I may have what you need. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri May 19 11:31:41 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:31:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts Message-ID: <16200.212.78.164.66.1148031101.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All, Tom (Brucker) came with the great idea to add a donation form on the naks.com website so people can donate their (broken) Nak to us for use as parts. I've just added this page (http://www.naks.com/donate/) and hopefully we'll get some response. I've added the country to the form so we can find someone on the list who can receive the donation, and pay for it's shipping, pick it up or whatever. This way, maybe we could have parts like a CR-4 knob in 'stock' since there are people who are willing to give away their Nak for free since it is 'broken'... Like the BX-2 I picked up a few weeks ago for free... fixed it in minutes once i got one of Dean's tires! Let's hope good things will come out of this. Wouter From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 19 14:31:09 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 08:31:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> Nelson wrote: > Kermit said: > > Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid > state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one > person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every > technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- to > expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of each > technology. > > Well put. There are similar analogies, I think - 35mm or digital versus > full plate photography; water colours versus oils; digital (on-line) editing > versus linear (off-line) editing. Each has its place (advantages and > disadvantages) individually or as part of the artists' palettes. Yet, there is a difference, in that most technologies cannot easily be made to emulate each other, while SS can be designed to sound like tubes. -- Ron > Kermit also said: > > The inevitable (yet silly) > tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the domain > of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who like to > argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. > > In fairness, I think the hi fi press have added fuel to these arguments. > But before them the seeds were sown by the manufacturers who followed the > fashionable trend in the 1960s away from tubes to transistors and claimed > they were better for whatever reason. Harold J Leak switched from tubes to > transistors simply because he felt they were the "new technology" and tubes > were "old". > > BTW, it is only in recent years that the Russians have moved over the > manufacturing a wide range of goods using transistors and not tubes. The > belief during the Cold War era was that the Russian military stuck with > tubes because it was believed they would survive nuclear explosions. About > a year ago I heard a Russian military expert interviewed and he was asked > about this. It was, he said bullsh#t. The only reason they used values in > the past was because they couldn't make transistors as well as we could in > the West! I wonder if this has also been true of the Chinese ... > > Gra' From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Fri May 19 17:02:21 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:02:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> References: <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> Message-ID: <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> Hello Ron, Could you please give examples of SS that sounds like tubes Sergei Friday, May 19, 2006, 2:31:09 PM, you wrote: R> Nelson wrote: >> Kermit said: >> >> Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid >> state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one >> person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every >> technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- to >> expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of each >> technology. >> >> Well put. There are similar analogies, I think - 35mm or digital versus >> full plate photography; water colours versus oils; digital (on-line) editing >> versus linear (off-line) editing. Each has its place (advantages and >> disadvantages) individually or as part of the artists' palettes. R> Yet, there is a difference, in that most technologies cannot R> easily be made to emulate each other, while SS can be designed R> to sound like tubes. R> -- Ron >> Kermit also said: >> >> The inevitable (yet silly) >> tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the domain >> of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who like to >> argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. >> >> In fairness, I think the hi fi press have added fuel to these arguments. >> But before them the seeds were sown by the manufacturers who followed the >> fashionable trend in the 1960s away from tubes to transistors and claimed >> they were better for whatever reason. Harold J Leak switched from tubes to >> transistors simply because he felt they were the "new technology" and tubes >> were "old". >> >> BTW, it is only in recent years that the Russians have moved over the >> manufacturing a wide range of goods using transistors and not tubes. The >> belief during the Cold War era was that the Russian military stuck with >> tubes because it was believed they would survive nuclear explosions. About >> a year ago I heard a Russian military expert interviewed and he was asked >> about this. It was, he said bullsh#t. The only reason they used values in >> the past was because they couldn't make transistors as well as we could in >> the West! I wonder if this has also been true of the Chinese ... >> >> Gra' R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= R> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= R> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist R> Maintain your account here: R> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Best regards, Sergei mailto:vorontsov at kharkov.ua From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 19 18:04:32 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:04:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> References: <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <446DEC90.5070405@rcn.com> Sure, Sergei. In the late 80s, Carver sold a SS amp that was designed to sound like tube equipment. It enjoyed a rather limited success -- and that, mainly with the dyed in the wool aficionados. In general, any device -- tube, SS or whatever -- has a characteristic, known as 'transfer function', that defines its behaviour, such as distortion. The ideal transfer function looks like a straight line. Unfortunately, real world transfer functions don't even come close, so designers have to resort to tricks, such as operating a device over a narrow range of the function, where it's closest to linear and applying negative feedback. It so happens that these are easier to do with SS devices than with tubes. Transfer functions are quite different for different tube types (triodes vs. penthids, etc.), as well as for different SS types (bi-polar, FETs, etc.). Tube transfer functions can be emulated by SS devices, as can be the I/O capacitances and impedances that affect frequency response and other characteristics. Note that tubes are beloved by some people not because of their low distortion or wide frequency response, but precisely because they do generate distortion (of a particular type, that imparts to the sound what people lovingly call 'warmth'). This can be easily emulated (but lack of distortion is not easily emulated by devices that do distort, so that SS cannot be as easily emulated by tube circuits. I could also mention the huge disadvantages of tube technology, but this has already been long enough... I hope it managed to answer your question. -- Ron Sergei Vorontsov wrote: > Hello Ron, > > Could you please give examples of SS that sounds like tubes > > Sergei > > > Friday, May 19, 2006, 2:31:09 PM, you wrote: > > R> Nelson wrote: >>> Kermit said: >>> >>> Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid >>> state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one >>> person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every >>> technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- to >>> expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of each >>> technology. >>> >>> Well put. There are similar analogies, I think - 35mm or digital versus >>> full plate photography; water colours versus oils; digital (on-line) editing >>> versus linear (off-line) editing. Each has its place (advantages and >>> disadvantages) individually or as part of the artists' palettes. > > R> Yet, there is a difference, in that most technologies cannot > R> easily be made to emulate each other, while SS can be designed > R> to sound like tubes. > > R> -- Ron > > >>> Kermit also said: >>> >>> The inevitable (yet silly) >>> tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the domain >>> of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who like to >>> argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. >>> >>> In fairness, I think the hi fi press have added fuel to these arguments. >>> But before them the seeds were sown by the manufacturers who followed the >>> fashionable trend in the 1960s away from tubes to transistors and claimed >>> they were better for whatever reason. Harold J Leak switched from tubes to >>> transistors simply because he felt they were the "new technology" and tubes >>> were "old". >>> >>> BTW, it is only in recent years that the Russians have moved over the >>> manufacturing a wide range of goods using transistors and not tubes. The >>> belief during the Cold War era was that the Russian military stuck with >>> tubes because it was believed they would survive nuclear explosions. About >>> a year ago I heard a Russian military expert interviewed and he was asked >>> about this. It was, he said bullsh#t. The only reason they used values in >>> the past was because they couldn't make transistors as well as we could in >>> the West! I wonder if this has also been true of the Chinese ... >>> >>> Gra' > > R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > R> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > R> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > R> Maintain your account here: > R> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri May 19 19:33:20 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:33:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446E0160.7060001@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Kermit said: > > Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid > state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one > person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every > technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- to > expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of each > technology. > > Well put. There are similar analogies, I think - 35mm or digital versus > full plate photography; water colours versus oils; digital (on-line) editing > versus linear (off-line) editing. Each has its place (advantages and > disadvantages) individually or as part of the artists' palettes. I'm going to remember this description and plagiarize it in the future. Cool! Each technology available to an artist has its distinctive characteristics. One technology may be able to evoke the feel of another technology yet there is nothing like having the real thing. > Kermit also said: > > The inevitable (yet silly) > tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the domain > of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who like to > argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. > > In fairness, I think the hi fi press have added fuel to these arguments. Well, the hi fi press gains circulation from controversy, so they fall into the category of those few persons who like to argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport (or in this case, a business) for them. > But before them the seeds were sown by the manufacturers who followed the > fashionable trend in the 1960s away from tubes to transistors and claimed > they were better for whatever reason. This is a good example of salespersons arguing for a technology. > Harold J Leak switched from tubes to > transistors simply because he felt they were the "new technology" and tubes > were "old". Okay, so here's a good example of an expert with a commercial interest in arguing for or against a technology. The clue is the "new technology" remark. This taps into the buyer's assumption that newer is always better. Often newer is better but newer isn't automatically always better, except in the hallowed halls of Madison Avenue ad agencies. I do respect Harold J. Leak immensely, by the way. > BTW, it is only in recent years that the Russians have moved over the > manufacturing a wide range of goods using transistors and not tubes. The > belief during the Cold War era was that the Russian military stuck with > tubes because it was believed they would survive nuclear explosions. About > a year ago I heard a Russian military expert interviewed and he was asked > about this. It was, he said bullsh#t. The only reason they used values in > the past was because they couldn't make transistors as well as we could in > the West! I wonder if this has also been true of the Chinese ... Fascinating! I've had good experiences with some Russian valves, by the way, but every Chinese valve I've tried has been tacitly inferior. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri May 19 19:37:21 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:37:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts In-Reply-To: <16200.212.78.164.66.1148031101.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <16200.212.78.164.66.1148031101.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <446E0251.7070807@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Wouter, This is a cool idea! I've donated my 581. I was going to fix it but now that I have the 680ZX I no longer need it. So, someone who can benefit from it should have it! Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi All, > > Tom (Brucker) came with the great idea to add a donation form on the > naks.com website so people can donate their (broken) Nak to us for use as > parts. > I've just added this page (http://www.naks.com/donate/) and hopefully > we'll get some response. I've added the country to the form so we can find > someone on the list who can receive the donation, and pay for it's > shipping, pick it up or whatever. > > This way, maybe we could have parts like a CR-4 knob in 'stock' since > there are people who are willing to give away their Nak for free since it > is 'broken'... Like the BX-2 I picked up a few weeks ago for free... fixed > it in minutes once i got one of Dean's tires! > > Let's hope good things will come out of this. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri May 19 19:43:01 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:43:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> References: <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <446E03A5.2060804@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Sergei, Sergei Vorontsov wrote: > Hello Ron, > > Could you please give examples of SS that sounds like tubes > I'd like to see that too. I have seen a tube emulator circuit in certain guitar amps that was so-so in mimicing the sound of tubes. Some FET preamps have a tube-like sound. Most SS mimics of tubes try to create higher magnitudes of 2nd order harmonics than 3rd-order to create the "warmth" of tubes, but this is only marginally successful at emulating tubes. Put a real tube product next to a SS mimic and you'll not be fooled by the imitation. Transistors, even FETs, cannot duplicate the "bending" nonlinearities of tubes. Therefore, no SS imitator I've ever heard was fully successful, although, some can evoke a tube-ish sound. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri May 19 20:24:41 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts In-Reply-To: <446E0251.7070807@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060519182441.52683.qmail@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi I need one 680 or 670 series for a part - please send it to me I will pay you for the shipping cost.Thanks for your offer kermit Kannan "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Wouter, This is a cool idea! I've donated my 581. I was going to fix it but now that I have the 680ZX I no longer need it. So, someone who can benefit from it should have it! Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi All, > > Tom (Brucker) came with the great idea to add a donation form on the > naks.com website so people can donate their (broken) Nak to us for use as > parts. > I've just added this page (http://www.naks.com/donate/) and hopefully > we'll get some response. I've added the country to the form so we can find > someone on the list who can receive the donation, and pay for it's > shipping, pick it up or whatever. > > This way, maybe we could have parts like a CR-4 knob in 'stock' since > there are people who are willing to give away their Nak for free since it > is 'broken'... Like the BX-2 I picked up a few weeks ago for free... fixed > it in minutes once i got one of Dean's tires! > > Let's hope good things will come out of this. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dam509 at zonnet.nl Fri May 19 21:12:01 2006 From: dam509 at zonnet.nl (Rudy Dam) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:12:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Re: CR7 can hear recording at B-side In-Reply-To: <200605190727.k4J7Qfd9008322@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060519191202.C1B91769FC@smtp6.wanadoo.nl> Thanx for the response guys I went back to the person who had serviced my deck. Everything was perfect the head height and the head alignment. He showed it to me on an oscilloscope and T100 analyzer It was a recording with a lot of bass in it so it caused print through on the tape. He said that the deck was in perfect shape for his age (end 1990) I was glad to hear that there was nothing wrong with it. Rudy Dam Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:06:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 can hear recording at B-side To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20060518230642.22847.qmail at web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It kinda sounds like a record head height alignment issue. It should only be on one channel, if it's a mechanical issue. I can't remember which channel is recorded toward the center of the tape. It could be the playback head height as well. Do you hear this playing a tape that was recorded on another deck? If you don't hear it then it's probably the record head. If you do hear it, then it's probably the playback head. Are you absolutely sure it's backwards? If it's not backwards then it's print through which is more common and not a mechanical alignment issue. SJ --- dam509 at zonnet.nl wrote: > > Hello all, > > I have a Cr7 and when I make a recording on the tapes A-side I > can hear it on the B-side backwards very quiet > but still so hard that the right level meter lights on at 40 dB. > > Does anyone have the same problem? Or does anyone know what it is? > > Has this something to do with the channel separation which is > better than 37dB? > > The level meters are at a maximum of 5 dB with a Maxell XLII tape > > Dear regards, > > Rudy Dam > > The Netherlands > > > > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Tele2 - The company that brings you small bills! > http://www.tele2.nl From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 19 22:36:11 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:36:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for recordandplaybackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <446DEC90.5070405@rcn.com> References: <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060519153611.00822640@earthlink.net> ron, what a cogent post! the carver silver 7 also came in a tube version, the silver 7 T. ironically, the 7T was a better amp, as it could drive the 'amazing loudspeaker' to higher volumes. anything is possible in sound...we have been happy listening to pulses instead of real music for years now. tom brucker At 12:04 PM 5/19/06 -0400, you wrote: > >Sure, Sergei. In the late 80s, Carver sold a SS amp >that was designed to sound like tube equipment. It >enjoyed a rather limited success -- and that, mainly >with the dyed in the wool aficionados. > >In general, any device -- tube, SS or whatever -- has >a characteristic, known as 'transfer function', that >defines its behaviour, such as distortion. > >The ideal transfer function looks like a straight line. >Unfortunately, real world transfer functions don't >even come close, so designers have to resort to tricks, >such as operating a device over a narrow range of the >function, where it's closest to linear and applying >negative feedback. It so happens that these are easier >to do with SS devices than with tubes. > >Transfer functions are quite different for different >tube types (triodes vs. penthids, etc.), as well as >for different SS types (bi-polar, FETs, etc.). Tube >transfer functions can be emulated by SS devices, as >can be the I/O capacitances and impedances that >affect frequency response and other characteristics. > >Note that tubes are beloved by some people not because >of their low distortion or wide frequency response, but >precisely because they do generate distortion (of a >particular type, that imparts to the sound what people >lovingly call 'warmth'). This can be easily emulated >(but lack of distortion is not easily emulated by >devices that do distort, so that SS cannot be as easily >emulated by tube circuits. > >I could also mention the huge disadvantages of tube >technology, but this has already been long enough... >I hope it managed to answer your question. > >-- Ron > > > >Sergei Vorontsov wrote: >> Hello Ron, >> >> Could you please give examples of SS that sounds like tubes >> >> Sergei >> >> >> Friday, May 19, 2006, 2:31:09 PM, you wrote: >> >> R> Nelson wrote: >>>> Kermit said: >>>> >>>> Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid >>>> state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one >>>> person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every >>>> technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- to >>>> expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of each >>>> technology. >>>> >>>> Well put. There are similar analogies, I think - 35mm or digital versus >>>> full plate photography; water colours versus oils; digital (on-line) editing >>>> versus linear (off-line) editing. Each has its place (advantages and >>>> disadvantages) individually or as part of the artists' palettes. >> >> R> Yet, there is a difference, in that most technologies cannot >> R> easily be made to emulate each other, while SS can be designed >> R> to sound like tubes. >> >> R> -- Ron >> >> >>>> Kermit also said: >>>> >>>> The inevitable (yet silly) >>>> tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the domain >>>> of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who like to >>>> argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. >>>> >>>> In fairness, I think the hi fi press have added fuel to these arguments. >>>> But before them the seeds were sown by the manufacturers who followed the >>>> fashionable trend in the 1960s away from tubes to transistors and claimed >>>> they were better for whatever reason. Harold J Leak switched from tubes to >>>> transistors simply because he felt they were the "new technology" and tubes >>>> were "old". >>>> >>>> BTW, it is only in recent years that the Russians have moved over the >>>> manufacturing a wide range of goods using transistors and not tubes. The >>>> belief during the Cold War era was that the Russian military stuck with >>>> tubes because it was believed they would survive nuclear explosions. About >>>> a year ago I heard a Russian military expert interviewed and he was asked >>>> about this. It was, he said bullsh#t. The only reason they used values in >>>> the past was because they couldn't make transistors as well as we could in >>>> the West! I wonder if this has also been true of the Chinese ... >>>> >>>> Gra' >> >> R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> R> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> R> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> R> Maintain your account here: >> R> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 19 22:57:08 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:57:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts In-Reply-To: <20060519182441.52683.qmail@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <446E0251.7070807@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060519155708.00822640@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 19 21:47:07 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:47:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nuvistor sockets In-Reply-To: <446D1E94.4050202@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Kermit You might try the guys at Musical Fidelity. I am sure they have some. Question is, will they sell any! They may need them as spares for the NuVistor kit they recently made and sold (out). Musical Fidelity Limited MF House 15-17 Olympic Trading Estate Fulton Road Wembley Middlesex HA9 0TF United Kingdom Tel: ++44 (0)20 8900 2866 Fax: ++44 (0)20 8900 2983 Gra' From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 20 00:34:55 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:34:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for recordandplaybackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060519153611.00822640@earthlink.net> References: <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> <3.0.3.32.20060519153611.00822640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <446E480F.4030906@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > ron, > what a cogent post! the carver silver 7 also came in a tube version, the > silver 7 T. Ahh, Tom, you are way ahead of me... I didn't remember that it was the Silver 7. > ironically, the 7T was a better amp, as it could drive the > 'amazing loudspeaker' to higher volumes. I am not surprised, as Bob Carver no doubt had 'political' motives. I am sure that the 7T was more expensive, though I don't know what either amp cost. In principle, if the emulation is done right (yea, I know. There are many ways to do a shoddy job, but very few to do a good one) and the power outputs are the same, the amps should sound identical. > anything is possible in sound...we have been happy listening to pulses > instead of real music for years now. Oh, I don't know about that. As long as my system gives me the sensations I get at real live concerts, I'm a happy camper. Analog or digital -- I don't really care, as long as the sound satisfies. *Some* cassettes, played on a CR-7, beat many CDs, but then, *some* DVD-As, played on a 24bit/192KHz player, easily surpass many cassettes and LPs. -- Ron > > tom brucker > > At 12:04 PM 5/19/06 -0400, you wrote: >> Sure, Sergei. In the late 80s, Carver sold a SS amp >> that was designed to sound like tube equipment. It >> enjoyed a rather limited success -- and that, mainly >> with the dyed in the wool aficionados. >> >> In general, any device -- tube, SS or whatever -- has >> a characteristic, known as 'transfer function', that >> defines its behaviour, such as distortion. >> >> The ideal transfer function looks like a straight line. >> Unfortunately, real world transfer functions don't >> even come close, so designers have to resort to tricks, >> such as operating a device over a narrow range of the >> function, where it's closest to linear and applying >> negative feedback. It so happens that these are easier >> to do with SS devices than with tubes. >> >> Transfer functions are quite different for different >> tube types (triodes vs. penthids, etc.), as well as >> for different SS types (bi-polar, FETs, etc.). Tube >> transfer functions can be emulated by SS devices, as >> can be the I/O capacitances and impedances that >> affect frequency response and other characteristics. >> >> Note that tubes are beloved by some people not because >> of their low distortion or wide frequency response, but >> precisely because they do generate distortion (of a >> particular type, that imparts to the sound what people >> lovingly call 'warmth'). This can be easily emulated >> (but lack of distortion is not easily emulated by >> devices that do distort, so that SS cannot be as easily >> emulated by tube circuits. >> >> I could also mention the huge disadvantages of tube >> technology, but this has already been long enough... >> I hope it managed to answer your question. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Sergei Vorontsov wrote: >>> Hello Ron, >>> >>> Could you please give examples of SS that sounds like tubes >>> >>> Sergei >>> >>> >>> Friday, May 19, 2006, 2:31:09 PM, you wrote: >>> >>> R> Nelson wrote: >>>>> Kermit said: >>>>> >>>>> Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid >>>>> state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one >>>>> person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every >>>>> technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- to >>>>> expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of each >>>>> technology. >>>>> >>>>> Well put. There are similar analogies, I think - 35mm or digital versus >>>>> full plate photography; water colours versus oils; digital (on-line) > editing >>>>> versus linear (off-line) editing. Each has its place (advantages and >>>>> disadvantages) individually or as part of the artists' palettes. >>> R> Yet, there is a difference, in that most technologies cannot >>> R> easily be made to emulate each other, while SS can be designed >>> R> to sound like tubes. >>> >>> R> -- Ron >>> >>> >>>>> Kermit also said: >>>>> >>>>> The inevitable (yet silly) >>>>> tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the domain >>>>> of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who like to >>>>> argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. >>>>> >>>>> In fairness, I think the hi fi press have added fuel to these arguments. >>>>> But before them the seeds were sown by the manufacturers who followed the >>>>> fashionable trend in the 1960s away from tubes to transistors and claimed >>>>> they were better for whatever reason. Harold J Leak switched from > tubes to >>>>> transistors simply because he felt they were the "new technology" and > tubes >>>>> were "old". >>>>> >>>>> BTW, it is only in recent years that the Russians have moved over the >>>>> manufacturing a wide range of goods using transistors and not tubes. The >>>>> belief during the Cold War era was that the Russian military stuck with >>>>> tubes because it was believed they would survive nuclear explosions. > About >>>>> a year ago I heard a Russian military expert interviewed and he was asked >>>>> about this. It was, he said bullsh#t. The only reason they used > values in >>>>> the past was because they couldn't make transistors as well as we > could in >>>>> the West! I wonder if this has also been true of the Chinese ... >>>>> >>>>> Gra' >>> R> From N4229K at aol.com Sat May 20 01:13:25 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:13:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts Message-ID: <406.28b1317.319fab15@aol.com> I have several parts machines. I can not get to these for a month but I believe I have: 680ZX, RX-505, RX-505, and 480 Dean Sanborn USA In a message dated 5/19/2006 5:01:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: kannan, The idea is to get parts machines into NakTalk members hands, and then part them out. Until we get a 680 parts machine, you should describe what you need, and see if someone has it. I have the following parts machines here: MR-2 and 600. Someone is going to give us a ZX 9, but we will look at it first to be sure it is irreparable. It looks like we have a 581 in England. Everyone can do their part by searching ebay for parts machines in their own countries. If you find yard sale or dustbin naks in hopeless condition, by all means pick them up and hit the "donate" button. I will volunteer to give free advice on what repairs might be required before donating. tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat May 20 02:30:21 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts In-Reply-To: <406.28b1317.319fab15@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060520003021.41682.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Thanks somehow Tom' mail in my browser has no message part but Dean' message has them. I need Azimuth adjusting mechanism ( not the motor but the gear and wheel which connects the azimuth wire. If any can contribute welcome. I have to dig out my parts bin to see my inventory. kannan N4229K at aol.com wrote: I have several parts machines. I can not get to these for a month but I believe I have: 680ZX, RX-505, RX-505, and 480 Dean Sanborn USA In a message dated 5/19/2006 5:01:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: kannan, The idea is to get parts machines into NakTalk members hands, and then part them out. Until we get a 680 parts machine, you should describe what you need, and see if someone has it. I have the following parts machines here: MR-2 and 600. Someone is going to give us a ZX 9, but we will look at it first to be sure it is irreparable. It looks like we have a 581 in England. Everyone can do their part by searching ebay for parts machines in their own countries. If you find yard sale or dustbin naks in hopeless condition, by all means pick them up and hit the "donate" button. I will volunteer to give free advice on what repairs might be required before donating. tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From packratt at erols.com Sat May 20 00:55:07 2006 From: packratt at erols.com (packratt at erols.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:55:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for recordandplaybackcircuitry References: <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> <3.0.3.32.20060519153611.00822640@earthlink.net> <446E480F.4030906@rcn.com> Message-ID: <446E4CCB.1030306@erols.com> In addition to the Silver 7s there was a Silver 9 and 9t that had even more juice. Actually almost all of Carver's solid state amps had a tube like sound to them. Somewhere I've read which tube amps which line of Carver's is supposed to emulate. I do remember reading that he made a bet with the editors of some audio magazine that he could build an amp that would sound like xyz tube amp in his hotel room before the weekend the show he was attending was over. He won the bet and the amp became the basis for one of his amp lines. Le Ron wrote: > > Hi Tech wrote: > >> ron, >> what a cogent post! the carver silver 7 also came in a tube version, >> the >> silver 7 T. > > > Ahh, Tom, you are way ahead of me... I didn't remember that > it was the Silver 7. > >> ironically, the 7T was a better amp, as it could drive the >> 'amazing loudspeaker' to higher volumes. > > > I am not surprised, as Bob Carver no doubt had 'political' > motives. I am sure that the 7T was more expensive, though > I don't know what either amp cost. > > In principle, if the emulation is done right (yea, I know. > There are many ways to do a shoddy job, but very few to do > a good one) and the power outputs are the same, the amps > should sound identical. > >> anything is possible in sound...we have been happy listening to pulses >> instead of real music for years now. > > > Oh, I don't know about that. As long as my system gives me > the sensations I get at real live concerts, I'm a happy > camper. Analog or digital -- I don't really care, as long > as the sound satisfies. *Some* cassettes, played on a CR-7, > beat many CDs, but then, *some* DVD-As, played on a > 24bit/192KHz player, easily surpass many cassettes and LPs. > > -- Ron > > >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 12:04 PM 5/19/06 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> Sure, Sergei. In the late 80s, Carver sold a SS amp >>> that was designed to sound like tube equipment. It >>> enjoyed a rather limited success -- and that, mainly >>> with the dyed in the wool aficionados. >>> >>> In general, any device -- tube, SS or whatever -- has >>> a characteristic, known as 'transfer function', that >>> defines its behaviour, such as distortion. >>> >>> The ideal transfer function looks like a straight line. >>> Unfortunately, real world transfer functions don't >>> even come close, so designers have to resort to tricks, >>> such as operating a device over a narrow range of the >>> function, where it's closest to linear and applying >>> negative feedback. It so happens that these are easier >>> to do with SS devices than with tubes. >>> >>> Transfer functions are quite different for different >>> tube types (triodes vs. penthids, etc.), as well as >>> for different SS types (bi-polar, FETs, etc.). Tube >>> transfer functions can be emulated by SS devices, as >>> can be the I/O capacitances and impedances that >>> affect frequency response and other characteristics. >>> >>> Note that tubes are beloved by some people not because >>> of their low distortion or wide frequency response, but >>> precisely because they do generate distortion (of a >>> particular type, that imparts to the sound what people >>> lovingly call 'warmth'). This can be easily emulated >>> (but lack of distortion is not easily emulated by >>> devices that do distort, so that SS cannot be as easily >>> emulated by tube circuits. >>> >>> I could also mention the huge disadvantages of tube >>> technology, but this has already been long enough... >>> I hope it managed to answer your question. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> Sergei Vorontsov wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Ron, >>>> >>>> Could you please give examples of SS that sounds like tubes >>>> >>>> Sergei >>>> >>>> >>>> Friday, May 19, 2006, 2:31:09 PM, you wrote: >>>> >>>> R> Nelson wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Kermit said: >>>>>> >>>>>> Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid >>>>>> state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one >>>>>> person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have >>>>>> every >>>>>> technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state >>>>>> -- to >>>>>> expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits >>>>>> of each >>>>>> technology. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well put. There are similar analogies, I think - 35mm or digital >>>>>> versus >>>>>> full plate photography; water colours versus oils; digital (on-line) >>>>> >> editing >> >>>>>> versus linear (off-line) editing. Each has its place (advantages >>>>>> and >>>>>> disadvantages) individually or as part of the artists' palettes. >>>>> >>>> R> Yet, there is a difference, in that most technologies cannot >>>> R> easily be made to emulate each other, while SS can be designed >>>> R> to sound like tubes. >>>> >>>> R> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Kermit also said: >>>>>> >>>>>> The inevitable (yet silly) >>>>>> tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the >>>>>> domain >>>>>> of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who >>>>>> like to >>>>>> argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. >>>>>> >>>>>> In fairness, I think the hi fi press have added fuel to these >>>>>> arguments. >>>>>> But before them the seeds were sown by the manufacturers who >>>>>> followed the >>>>>> fashionable trend in the 1960s away from tubes to transistors and >>>>>> claimed >>>>>> they were better for whatever reason. Harold J Leak switched from >>>>> >> tubes to >> >>>>>> transistors simply because he felt they were the "new technology" >>>>>> and >>>>> >> tubes >> >>>>>> were "old". >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW, it is only in recent years that the Russians have moved over >>>>>> the >>>>>> manufacturing a wide range of goods using transistors and not >>>>>> tubes. The >>>>>> belief during the Cold War era was that the Russian military >>>>>> stuck with >>>>>> tubes because it was believed they would survive nuclear explosions. >>>>> >> About >> >>>>>> a year ago I heard a Russian military expert interviewed and he >>>>>> was asked >>>>>> about this. It was, he said bullsh#t. The only reason they used >>>>> >> values in >> >>>>>> the past was because they couldn't make transistors as well as we >>>>> >> could in >> >>>>>> the West! I wonder if this has also been true of the Chinese ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Gra' >>>>> >>>> R> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat May 20 02:43:31 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:43:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for recordandplaybackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060519153611.00822640@earthlink.net> References: <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> <3.0.3.32.20060519153611.00822640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <446E6633.3020508@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Like I said in a previous post, I'm always surprised at the number of persons who do not know that tubes are capable of extremely low distortion. But then again, to admit that tubes are capabble of extremely low distortion doesn't serve the position that transistors are "better" than tubes. Transistors are actually switches, even so-called audio transitors, and therefore have inherently high distortion, no better or worse than tubes in that regard. The design technique and quality of components used in making the tube or transistor amp determines how much or how little distortion the product produces. What does differ is how tubes and transistors distort and the causes of the distortions. Unfortunately, the vast majority of tube products exhibited high distortion because their designers never designed circuits for low distortion -- despite what the ads claimed. Market realities of those distant days were the underlying cause -- high costs and lack of perceived need for very low distortion kept most designers from even trying. So, today, most persons mistakenly equate tubes with high distortion because most of the commerical examples of tube equipment lacked low distortion performance. It's the conceptual error of equating commercial examples with the ability of the technology without understanding that few designers ever fully exploited the ability of tube technology to amplify with extremely low distortion. This has nothing to do with the capability the technology can achieve, fortunately for the few of us who actually try to design ultra-low distortion tube products. Find a McCurdy AU-300 preamp or an Ampex MR-70 tape recorder in excellent condition and you'll be amazed at the low distortion -- yet even these outstanding examples fall short of what can be achieved with tubes. I remember the Carver Silver 7T. That amp was one of my favorites. Great line, we've been listening to pulses! I've often argued with tongue firmly planted in cheek that a CD player is actually a synthesizer and the CD is the software it plays to synthesize an orchestra-ish sound. Hi Tech wrote: > ron, > what a cogent post! the carver silver 7 also came in a tube version, the > silver 7 T. ironically, the 7T was a better amp, as it could drive the > 'amazing loudspeaker' to higher volumes. > anything is possible in sound...we have been happy listening to pulses > instead of real music for years now. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From lenaw at flash.net Sat May 20 03:27:01 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:27:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts In-Reply-To: <20060520003021.41682.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c67bac$7f9ee930$11c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Kannan: Are the gear and wheel you talk about located inside the auto azimuth housing or you are talking about those located under the head assembly in the front? I have a part 660ZX that I think I can donate the parts that you need to you. Let me know and I will go to look. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 7:30 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Donate parts Hi Thanks somehow Tom' mail in my browser has no message part but Dean' message has them. I need Azimuth adjusting mechanism ( not the motor but the gear and wheel which connects the azimuth wire. If any can contribute welcome. I have to dig out my parts bin to see my inventory. kannan N4229K at aol.com wrote: I have several parts machines. I can not get to these for a month but I believe I have: 680ZX, RX-505, RX-505, and 480 Dean Sanborn USA In a message dated 5/19/2006 5:01:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: kannan, The idea is to get parts machines into NakTalk members hands, and then part them out. Until we get a 680 parts machine, you should describe what you need, and see if someone has it. I have the following parts machines here: MR-2 and 600. Someone is going to give us a ZX 9, but we will look at it first to be sure it is irreparable. It looks like we have a 581 in England. Everyone can do their part by searching ebay for parts machines in their own countries. If you find yard sale or dustbin naks in hopeless condition, by all means pick them up and hit the "donate" button. I will volunteer to give free advice on what repairs might be required before donating. tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat May 20 06:52:17 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 23:52:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Tale of Two Tape Recorders Message-ID: <446EA081.5000801@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Guys, I was sorting through my notes from my electronics class in high school and ran across a very interesting item. The day’s topic was Tube Sound Versus Transistor Sound. Firstly, he had two single stage amplifiers set up, one with a 6BK6 duplex diode high-mu triode and another with a 2N5088 transistor. The 6BK6's triode and the transistor were biased using resistor and capacitor values taken from the manufacturer’s date sheet or application guides. Therefore, the two devices were being operated in a generic amplifier design, not some state of the art design, or a design intended to manipulate the outcome of the comparison. Neither amp used exotic components or inverse feedback; these were the minimum circuitry needed to make a usable amplifier. He then hooked up the two demo amplifiers and ran THD measurements referred to 500 mV output levels, a typical level for consumer preamplifiers. The tube measured 0.26% THD, the transistor measured 0.27% THD. This surprised the class. We expected the transistor to have far lower THD than the tube, nit for both to be aproximately the same. Then, he brought in two reel-to-reel tape recorders, an Ampex 602 and an Ampex AG600, along with a Crown D75 amplifier and a JBL 4312 speaker. These are basically the same tape transport and heads except that a 602 uses tube electronics and is an ugly brown while the AG600 uses transistor electronics and is an ugly grey. He took the time to bias and EQ the two recorders so that we knew they were in perfect condition. He played the same tape on both recorders and everyone got their second surprise: both tape recorders sounded the same. It was nearly impossible to hear a difference between the two. The 602 (tube) had a very faint hum that was the only difference I heard. Finally, he brought out two ElectroVoice 635A microphones and a really nice Martin dreadnought guitar. One of the students was a good amateur guitarist so we recorded some music on both machines at the same time. Here came our third surprise: the two recorders still sounded practically identical, but I noticed, as did most of the other students, when the guitarist hit a loud note that "buried" the meter the tube 602 didn’t distort the brief overload but the transistor AG600 DID distort. He then made the point to us that, with careful design, tubes and transistors can sound virtually the same. It was quite a revelation. This was when I decided I wanted an Ampex 602. I got mine a year later, and I still have it in -- perfect working order following a recent restoration I did. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat May 20 10:49:31 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:49:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060519155708.00822640@earthlink.net> References: <446E0251.7070807@woods-and-waters.com> <3.0.3.32.20060519155708.00822640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <446ED81B.7000207@xs4all.nl> If Naktalkers wish to donate parts that's great, but my goal was to reach people not on naktalk, like the one offering the ZX-9, those donated Naks could be collected by a Naktalker in need of it or simply one living around the donation. But anyway, the more parts around the better! Wouter Hi Tech wrote: > kannan, > The idea is to get parts machines into NakTalk members hands, and then > part them out. Until we get a 680 parts machine, you should describe > what you need, and see if someone has it. > I have the following parts machines here: MR-2 and 600. Someone is > going to give us a ZX 9, but we will look at it first to be sure it is > irreparable. It looks like we have a 581 in England. Everyone can do > their part by searching ebay for parts machines in their own > countries. If you find yard sale or dustbin naks in hopeless > condition, by all means pick them up and hit the "donate" button. I > will volunteer to give free advice on what repairs might be required > before donating. > > tom brucker > > At 11:24 AM 5/19/06 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> > Hi I need one 680 or 670 series for a part - please send it to me I > will pay you for the shipping cost.Thanks for your offer kermit > Kannan > > "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > This is a cool idea! > > I've donated my 581. I was going to fix it but now that I have the 680ZX > I no longer need it. So, someone who can benefit from it should have it! > From enoyes at snet.net Sat May 20 14:25:38 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 08:25:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> References: <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <446F0AC2.9050306@snet.net> A number of the early mosfet amps strike me as having a fairly tubelike sound (the early Haflers for example). It is still a mistake to even refer to a tube sound as that "sound" has changed remarkably over the years. My McIntosh MC30's from 1956 sound nothing like a new Conrad MV60 and I suppose one could say (in the classic sense) that the Conrad sounds kind of solid state by comparison. Basically, it's far less a matter of how the device itself sounds as much as the technology of the time or how the designer uses the device to a final sonic end. Ed Sergei Vorontsov wrote: >Hello Ron, > >Could you please give examples of SS that sounds like tubes > >Sergei > > >Friday, May 19, 2006, 2:31:09 PM, you wrote: > >R> Nelson wrote: > > >>>Kermit said: >>> >>>Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid >>>state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one >>>person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every >>>technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- to >>>expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of each >>>technology. >>> >>>Well put. There are similar analogies, I think - 35mm or digital versus >>>full plate photography; water colours versus oils; digital (on-line) editing >>>versus linear (off-line) editing. Each has its place (advantages and >>>disadvantages) individually or as part of the artists' palettes. >>> >>> > >R> Yet, there is a difference, in that most technologies cannot >R> easily be made to emulate each other, while SS can be designed >R> to sound like tubes. > >R> -- Ron > > > > >>>Kermit also said: >>> >>>The inevitable (yet silly) >>>tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the domain >>>of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who like to >>>argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. >>> >>>In fairness, I think the hi fi press have added fuel to these arguments. >>>But before them the seeds were sown by the manufacturers who followed the >>>fashionable trend in the 1960s away from tubes to transistors and claimed >>>they were better for whatever reason. Harold J Leak switched from tubes to >>>transistors simply because he felt they were the "new technology" and tubes >>>were "old". >>> >>>BTW, it is only in recent years that the Russians have moved over the >>>manufacturing a wide range of goods using transistors and not tubes. The >>>belief during the Cold War era was that the Russian military stuck with >>>tubes because it was believed they would survive nuclear explosions. About >>>a year ago I heard a Russian military expert interviewed and he was asked >>>about this. It was, he said bullsh#t. The only reason they used values in >>>the past was because they couldn't make transistors as well as we could in >>>the West! I wonder if this has also been true of the Chinese ... >>> >>>Gra' >>> >>> > >R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >R> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >R> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >R> Maintain your account here: >R> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sat May 20 14:35:17 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 08:35:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts... a motor for my 550 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060519155708.00822640@earthlink.net> References: <446E0251.7070807@woods-and-waters.com> <3.0.3.32.20060519155708.00822640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <446F0D05.9030101@snet.net> As long as the parts thread is going, I just picked up a 550 for $50 and now have it broken down into pieces for a full restoration. When I tore down the motor I noticed that the bushings are so badly worn that I'm just about down to the base copper! So, I'm looking for a motor so that I don't need to cannibalize my mostly working 600II or fully functional 250. Interestingly, the motor in this 550 only has three leads instead of the more usual four leads (with the two yellow for the tach). And, there are four bushings instead of two. Anyone out there know about this difference. I'm assuming that this is probably very early production that I have and that a revision was done later. Thanks All, Ed Hi Tech wrote: > kannan, > The idea is to get parts machines into NakTalk members hands, and then > part them out. Until we get a 680 parts machine, you should describe > what you need, and see if someone has it. > I have the following parts machines here: MR-2 and 600. Someone is > going to give us a ZX 9, but we will look at it first to be sure it is > irreparable. It looks like we have a 581 in England. Everyone can do > their part by searching ebay for parts machines in their own > countries. If you find yard sale or dustbin naks in hopeless > condition, by all means pick them up and hit the "donate" button. I > will volunteer to give free advice on what repairs might be required > before donating. > > tom brucker From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat May 20 14:32:36 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:32:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtube for recordandplaybackcircuitry Message-ID: Hi Folks! >From Carver I had the opportunity to hear "The Cube"...only! Was a long time ago...so today I can't remember, how sounded! Here in Israel at that time, was NOT an a official importer! Today I own a Hybrid ARC SP-9/2 preamp + a Dynaco Stereo 70 Mk-2, made by Panor...it;s 500% OK for my tate & hears! Cheers, ALEX! >From: packratt at erols.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with >vacuumtube for recordandplaybackcircuitry >Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:55:07 -0400 > >In addition to the Silver 7s there was a Silver 9 and 9t that had even more >juice. > >Actually almost all of Carver's solid state amps had a tube like sound to >them. Somewhere I've read which tube amps which line of Carver's is >supposed to emulate. I do remember reading that he made a bet with the >editors of some audio magazine that he could build an amp that would sound >like xyz tube amp in his hotel room before the weekend the show he was >attending was over. He won the bet and the amp became the basis for one of >his amp lines. > >Le > >Ron wrote: > >> >>Hi Tech wrote: >> >>>ron, >>>what a cogent post! the carver silver 7 also came in a tube version, the >>>silver 7 T. >> >> >>Ahh, Tom, you are way ahead of me... I didn't remember that >>it was the Silver 7. >> >>>ironically, the 7T was a better amp, as it could drive the >>>'amazing loudspeaker' to higher volumes. >> >> >>I am not surprised, as Bob Carver no doubt had 'political' >>motives. I am sure that the 7T was more expensive, though >>I don't know what either amp cost. >> >>In principle, if the emulation is done right (yea, I know. >>There are many ways to do a shoddy job, but very few to do >>a good one) and the power outputs are the same, the amps >>should sound identical. >> >>>anything is possible in sound...we have been happy listening to pulses >>>instead of real music for years now. >> >> >>Oh, I don't know about that. As long as my system gives me >>the sensations I get at real live concerts, I'm a happy >>camper. Analog or digital -- I don't really care, as long >>as the sound satisfies. *Some* cassettes, played on a CR-7, >>beat many CDs, but then, *some* DVD-As, played on a >>24bit/192KHz player, easily surpass many cassettes and LPs. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >>> >>>tom brucker >>> >>>At 12:04 PM 5/19/06 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>>>Sure, Sergei. In the late 80s, Carver sold a SS amp >>>>that was designed to sound like tube equipment. It >>>>enjoyed a rather limited success -- and that, mainly >>>>with the dyed in the wool aficionados. >>>> >>>>In general, any device -- tube, SS or whatever -- has >>>>a characteristic, known as 'transfer function', that >>>>defines its behaviour, such as distortion. >>>> >>>>The ideal transfer function looks like a straight line. >>>>Unfortunately, real world transfer functions don't >>>>even come close, so designers have to resort to tricks, >>>>such as operating a device over a narrow range of the >>>>function, where it's closest to linear and applying >>>>negative feedback. It so happens that these are easier >>>>to do with SS devices than with tubes. >>>> >>>>Transfer functions are quite different for different >>>>tube types (triodes vs. penthids, etc.), as well as >>>>for different SS types (bi-polar, FETs, etc.). Tube >>>>transfer functions can be emulated by SS devices, as >>>>can be the I/O capacitances and impedances that >>>>affect frequency response and other characteristics. >>>> >>>>Note that tubes are beloved by some people not because >>>>of their low distortion or wide frequency response, but >>>>precisely because they do generate distortion (of a >>>>particular type, that imparts to the sound what people >>>>lovingly call 'warmth'). This can be easily emulated >>>>(but lack of distortion is not easily emulated by >>>>devices that do distort, so that SS cannot be as easily >>>>emulated by tube circuits. >>>> >>>>I could also mention the huge disadvantages of tube >>>>technology, but this has already been long enough... >>>>I hope it managed to answer your question. >>>> >>>>-- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Sergei Vorontsov wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hello Ron, >>>>> >>>>>Could you please give examples of SS that sounds like tubes >>>>> >>>>>Sergei >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Friday, May 19, 2006, 2:31:09 PM, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>>R> Nelson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>Kermit said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid >>>>>>>state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one >>>>>>>person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every >>>>>>>technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- >>>>>>>to >>>>>>>expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of >>>>>>>each >>>>>>>technology. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Well put. There are similar analogies, I think - 35mm or digital >>>>>>>versus >>>>>>>full plate photography; water colours versus oils; digital (on-line) >>>>>> >>>editing >>> >>>>>>>versus linear (off-line) editing. Each has its place (advantages and >>>>>>>disadvantages) individually or as part of the artists' palettes. >>>>>> >>>>>R> Yet, there is a difference, in that most technologies cannot >>>>>R> easily be made to emulate each other, while SS can be designed >>>>>R> to sound like tubes. >>>>> >>>>>R> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Kermit also said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The inevitable (yet silly) >>>>>>>tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the >>>>>>>domain >>>>>>>of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who like >>>>>>>to >>>>>>>argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In fairness, I think the hi fi press have added fuel to these >>>>>>>arguments. >>>>>>>But before them the seeds were sown by the manufacturers who followed >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>fashionable trend in the 1960s away from tubes to transistors and >>>>>>>claimed >>>>>>>they were better for whatever reason. Harold J Leak switched from >>>>>> >>>tubes to >>> >>>>>>>transistors simply because he felt they were the "new technology" and >>>>>> >>>tubes >>> >>>>>>>were "old". >>>>>>> >>>>>>>BTW, it is only in recent years that the Russians have moved over the >>>>>>>manufacturing a wide range of goods using transistors and not tubes. >>>>>>>The >>>>>>>belief during the Cold War era was that the Russian military stuck >>>>>>>with >>>>>>>tubes because it was believed they would survive nuclear explosions. >>>>>> >>>About >>> >>>>>>>a year ago I heard a Russian military expert interviewed and he was >>>>>>>asked >>>>>>>about this. It was, he said bullsh#t. The only reason they used >>>>>> >>>values in >>> >>>>>>>the past was because they couldn't make transistors as well as we >>>>>> >>>could in >>> >>>>>>>the West! I wonder if this has also been true of the Chinese ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Gra' >>>>>> >>>>>R> >>>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat May 20 14:49:55 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:49:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tubefor recordandplaybackcircuitry Message-ID: Hi Tom & Kermit! To my eruditeness "Ultra low Tubes Distortion"...helps ONLY to sell the product...Period!!! As my example Dynaco has 0.5% distortion at full power, I'm 100% sure that 99% of "Audiophiles"...do not reach "Full Power"...of any stereo gear...so what is write...means for me really NOTHING...OK I agree that to my hears today Naim SS gear sound extremely well of course I speak on "Pricey" Naim's new line equipment..as an a very close buddy own...so I can compare, agree that also Naims pricey gear are much "Faster"...in transients and do not smear the music as my Dynaco power...OK...it's much...much... pricey that my old Dynaco. But...I can live with my gear. Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum >tubefor recordandplaybackcircuitry >Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:43:31 -0500 > >Hi Tom, > >Like I said in a previous post, I'm always surprised at the number of >persons who do not know that tubes are capable of extremely low distortion. >But then again, to admit that tubes are capabble of extremely low >distortion doesn't serve the position that transistors are "better" than >tubes. Transistors are actually switches, even so-called audio transitors, >and therefore have inherently high distortion, no better or worse than >tubes in that regard. The design technique and quality of components used >in making the tube or transistor amp determines how much or how little >distortion the product produces. What does differ is how tubes and >transistors distort and the causes of the distortions. > >Unfortunately, the vast majority of tube products exhibited high distortion >because their designers never designed circuits for low distortion -- >despite what the ads claimed. Market realities of those distant days were >the underlying cause -- high costs and lack of perceived need for very low >distortion kept most designers from even trying. So, today, most persons >mistakenly equate tubes with high distortion because most of the commerical >examples of tube equipment lacked low distortion performance. It's the >conceptual error of equating commercial examples with the ability of the >technology without understanding that few designers ever fully exploited >the ability of tube technology to amplify with extremely low distortion. >This has nothing to do with the capability the technology can achieve, >fortunately for the few of us who actually try to design ultra-low >distortion tube products. > >Find a McCurdy AU-300 preamp or an Ampex MR-70 tape recorder in excellent >condition and you'll be amazed at the low distortion -- yet even these >outstanding examples fall short of what can be achieved with tubes. > >I remember the Carver Silver 7T. That amp was one of my favorites. > >Great line, we've been listening to pulses! I've often argued with tongue >firmly planted in cheek that a CD player is actually a synthesizer and the >CD is the software it plays to synthesize an orchestra-ish sound. > >Hi Tech wrote: >>ron, >> what a cogent post! the carver silver 7 also came in a tube version, >>the >>silver 7 T. ironically, the 7T was a better amp, as it could drive the >>'amazing loudspeaker' to higher volumes. >> anything is possible in sound...we have been happy listening to pulses >>instead of real music for years now. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat May 20 20:36:11 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:36:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tubefor recordandplaybackcircuitry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446F619B.9040303@woods-and-waters.com> I'm rolling on the floor laughing! Right on, Alex! Shame on me for becoming concerned about "Ultra Low Tube Distortion." I fear I've been keeping company with marketing people too much these days and am becoming infected with Spec Spouting Disease. Good old Alex, always practical and to the point. Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Tom & Kermit! > > To my eruditeness "Ultra low Tubes Distortion"...helps ONLY to sell the > product...Period!!! > > As my example Dynaco has 0.5% distortion at full power, I'm 100% sure > that 99% of "Audiophiles"...do not reach "Full Power"...of any stereo > gear...so what is write...means for me really NOTHING...OK I agree that > to my hears today Naim SS gear sound extremely well of course I speak on > "Pricey" Naim's new line equipment..as an a very close buddy own...so I > can compare, agree that also Naims pricey gear are much "Faster"...in > transients and do not smear the music as my Dynaco power...OK...it's > much...much... pricey that my old Dynaco. But...I can live with my gear. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat May 20 20:50:14 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:50:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <446F0AC2.9050306@snet.net> References: <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> <446F0AC2.9050306@snet.net> Message-ID: <446F64E6.1010804@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ed, Edward Noyes wrote: > A number of the early mosfet amps strike me as having a fairly tubelike > sound (the early Haflers for example). It is still a mistake to even > refer to a tube sound as that "sound" has changed remarkably over the > years. My McIntosh MC30's from 1956 sound nothing like a new Conrad MV60 > and I suppose one could say (in the classic sense) that the Conrad > sounds kind of solid state by comparison. Basically, it's far less a > matter of how the device itself sounds as much as the technology of the > time or how the designer uses the device to a final sonic end. > Bravo! That's the point I've been trying to make but I keep derailing my own train of thought and never get my thoughts put into that sharp of a focus. But isn't the espoused objective of a hi-fi designer to create an amplifier that imparts no sound to the source or am I being a naive idealist? therefore, could one state that the mere presence of a sound, solid state, tube or otherwise, is a manifestation of an imperfect amplifier? These are rhetorical questions, by the way. In fact, the theoretical ideal and the actual achievement are usually far removed from each other. Thus the debate will always rage until some new technology arrives to allow us to make an amplifier that atrtains the theoretical ideal. Yikes, I'm rambling. In the same vein, I've always felt that most single-ended triode power amps have a "transistory" sound to them in that they have the harshness often associated with transistor amps. I'm sure that a designer of an SET amp would be appalled, even angered, by that description of their product. Oops. I owned a genuine Western Electric SET amp for years and hated its sound. I used it as a cue amp. It was a sorry excuse for a cue amp. Ok, I'm rambling again. I'm tired today. TAPE RECORDER QUESTION: This reminds me, I've been told that Ferrograph used a push-pull pair of power MOSFETs as the final stage in the recording amplifier of one of their models. Does anyone know if this is true? If so I'd really like to see the circuit. Better still, I'd really like to hear the recorder! The Ferrograph Logic 7 is one of my favorite reel-to-reels. I almost bought one but parts were so difficult to come by in the USA that I chose a Revox A77 instead. I have had mixed feelings ever since. IF anyone has a working Ferrograph Logic 7 they'd like to sell, I'm interested. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From CKDawson at cableone.net Sat May 20 22:56:22 2006 From: CKDawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:56:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Donate Parts References: <200605201000.k4KA0UKv013482@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <008401c67c4f$da7689a0$6401a8c0@dell> Hello Fellow Nakkers, I was very pleased to see that Wouter added the Donation link to the website. When I bought my departed 600, I had no idea that it was in the state it turned out to be and though it couldn't be repaired practically, I'm really happy that Tom, Dean and Kermit all got something they could put to use on their decks. I really hope to see the Donate bucket grow and become a source for otherwise unobtainable parts. Keith Dawson From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun May 21 06:48:50 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 04:48:50 +0000 Subject: FW: Re: FW: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtubefor recordandplaybackcircuitry Message-ID: >From: "Richard L. Hess" >To: "Alex Cozac" >Subject: Re: FW: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtubefor >recordandplaybackcircuitry >Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:43:57 -0400 > >Thanks - while Nak was at the pinnacle of cassette greatness, the format, >was, well not so great. > >I think I've finally discovered the "difference" between Naks and non-Naks >equalization. > >See here: > >http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/05/17/cassette-equalization-the-4-db-ambiguity-at-16-khz/ > >Enjoy! > >Richard > >At 12:29 AM 5/21/2006, you wrote: >>For your sole information! >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >>>From: "Kermit V. Gray" >>>Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi >>>Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtubefor >>>recordandplaybackcircuitry >>>Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:36:11 -0500 >>> >>>I'm rolling on the floor laughing! Right on, Alex! Shame on me for >>>becoming concerned about "Ultra Low Tube Distortion." I fear I've been >>>keeping company with marketing people too much these days and am becoming >>>infected with Spec Spouting Disease. >>> >>>Good old Alex, always practical and to the point. >>> >>>Alex Cozac wrote: >>>>Hi Tom & Kermit! >>>> >>>>To my eruditeness "Ultra low Tubes Distortion"...helps ONLY to sell the >>>>product...Period!!! >>>> >>>>As my example Dynaco has 0.5% distortion at full power, I'm 100% sure >>>>that 99% of "Audiophiles"...do not reach "Full Power"...of any stereo >>>>gear...so what is write...means for me really NOTHING...OK I agree that >>>>to my hears today Naim SS gear sound extremely well of course I speak on >>>>"Pricey" Naim's new line equipment..as an a very close buddy own...so I >>>>can compare, agree that also Naims pricey gear are much "Faster"...in >>>>transients and do not smear the music as my Dynaco power...OK...it's >>>>much...much... pricey that my old Dynaco. But...I can live with my gear. >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Kermit Gray >>>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>>pro audio info! >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> > >Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sun May 21 12:07:09 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 06:07:09 -0400 Subject: FW: Re: FW: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtubefor recordandplaybackcircuitry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44703BCD.3030101@caribsurf.com> I know Richard Hess was doing research on this. It is my belief that Nak used the IEC 1976 equalisation (along with others). Later, BASF is alleged to have made an error which resulted in an alignment tape with a peak of approx 4 db above 12kHz. This had the effect of extending the freq response from playback heads at the expense of headroom and higher distortion. It was brought to the attention of the IEC and they agreed on a compromise which I believe reduced this peak (to 2db?). The new equalisation was referred to as IEC1981. Nak continued using the IEC 1976 equalisation as they did not consider it necessary to introduce the change as their heads were capable of extended response without adopting the 1981 equalisation, and they did not want to reduce the headroom or increase distortion. Other manufacturers follow IEC 1981. That is my understanding of the situation .... I hve been trying to get hold of the IEC 1976 and 1981 alignment tapes to do a comparison and see what the difference really is but I have not been able to do so! Nak published their equalisation curve in some of their service manuals. regards Paul Carrington Alex Cozac wrote: > >> From: "Richard L. Hess" >> To: "Alex Cozac" >> Subject: Re: FW: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtubefor >> recordandplaybackcircuitry >> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:43:57 -0400 >> >> Thanks - while Nak was at the pinnacle of cassette greatness, the >> format, was, well not so great. >> >> I think I've finally discovered the "difference" between Naks and >> non-Naks equalization. >> >> See here: >> >> http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/05/17/cassette-equalization-the-4-db-ambiguity-at-16-khz/ >> >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Richard >> >> At 12:29 AM 5/21/2006, you wrote: >> >>> For your sole information! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> ALEX! >>> >>>> From: "Kermit V. Gray" >>>> Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi >>>> Cassette Decks >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtubefor >>>> recordandplaybackcircuitry >>>> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:36:11 -0500 >>>> >>>> I'm rolling on the floor laughing! Right on, Alex! Shame on me for >>>> becoming concerned about "Ultra Low Tube Distortion." I fear I've >>>> been keeping company with marketing people too much these days and >>>> am becoming infected with Spec Spouting Disease. >>>> >>>> Good old Alex, always practical and to the point. >>>> >>>> Alex Cozac wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Tom & Kermit! >>>>> >>>>> To my eruditeness "Ultra low Tubes Distortion"...helps ONLY to >>>>> sell the product...Period!!! >>>>> >>>>> As my example Dynaco has 0.5% distortion at full power, I'm 100% >>>>> sure that 99% of "Audiophiles"...do not reach "Full Power"...of >>>>> any stereo gear...so what is write...means for me really >>>>> NOTHING...OK I agree that to my hears today Naim SS gear sound >>>>> extremely well of course I speak on "Pricey" Naim's new line >>>>> equipment..as an a very close buddy own...so I can compare, agree >>>>> that also Naims pricey gear are much "Faster"...in transients and >>>>> do not smear the music as my Dynaco power...OK...it's >>>>> much...much... pricey that my old Dynaco. But...I can live with my >>>>> gear. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kermit Gray >>>> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for >>>> recording and pro audio info! >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >> Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >> Detailed contact information: >> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Sun May 21 16:07:05 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 09:07:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playback circuitury Message-ID: <44707409.2080106@sbcglobal.net> Here is a link to an old article that I think still has merit today. I have noticed myself over the years that tubes really shine when they are next to the transducer.... microphone, cartridge, or speaker. I consider a playback or record head a transducer so I think Kermit has the right idea to use tubes in his cassette deck. I too have heard excellent sound from solid state designs. But I have never heard any solid state design that sounds as real on acoustic instruments as the best vacuum tube designs. Anyway, some light reading for ya!! :-) Oh and personally I don't care one way or the other. I just want what sounds the most real to my ears. Analog and tubes in general are a pain in the ass. I look froward to the day digital and solid state rule the day. I am just still waiting.... Ken http://www.gprime.com/proaudio/tubes/tubes.htm From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun May 21 21:49:58 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:49:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts In-Reply-To: <20060520003021.41682.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <406.28b1317.319fab15@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060521144958.0082d9a0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2825 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun May 21 22:00:41 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:00:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tubeforrecordandplaybackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <446E6633.3020508@woods-and-waters.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060519153611.00822640@earthlink.net> <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> <3.0.3.32.20060519153611.00822640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060521150041.0082e100@earthlink.net> How about the Audio Research D350, or the VTL 500 monoblocks? Even low frequency response rivaled solid state! Tubes have a significantly wider range of linear operation than a transistor, but a smaller range than an FET. A designer's #1 job is to operate any device within its linear range. Negative feedback became too much of a crutch once transistors and ics had large gain transfers. It is funny to talk about Bob Carver, and his illusionist approaches to good sound on the same list. Because we have brains and use them to hear with, we can be fooled by a lot! It is always refreshing to hear a sound that is free of illusion. What do a piano and a woofer have in common??? A violin and electrostatic panel?? A voice and a dome tweeter?? tom brucker At 07:43 PM 5/19/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tom, > >Like I said in a previous post, I'm always surprised at the number of >persons who do not know that tubes are capable of extremely low >distortion. But then again, to admit that tubes are capabble of >extremely low distortion doesn't serve the position that transistors are >"better" than tubes. Transistors are actually switches, even so-called >audio transitors, and therefore have inherently high distortion, no >better or worse than tubes in that regard. The design technique and >quality of components used in making the tube or transistor amp >determines how much or how little distortion the product produces. What >does differ is how tubes and transistors distort and the causes of the >distortions. > >Unfortunately, the vast majority of tube products exhibited high >distortion because their designers never designed circuits for low >distortion -- despite what the ads claimed. Market realities of those >distant days were the underlying cause -- high costs and lack of >perceived need for very low distortion kept most designers from even >trying. So, today, most persons mistakenly equate tubes with high >distortion because most of the commerical examples of tube equipment >lacked low distortion performance. It's the conceptual error of equating >commercial examples with the ability of the technology without >understanding that few designers ever fully exploited the ability of >tube technology to amplify with extremely low distortion. This has >nothing to do with the capability the technology can achieve, >fortunately for the few of us who actually try to design ultra-low >distortion tube products. > >Find a McCurdy AU-300 preamp or an Ampex MR-70 tape recorder in >excellent condition and you'll be amazed at the low distortion -- yet >even these outstanding examples fall short of what can be achieved with >tubes. > >I remember the Carver Silver 7T. That amp was one of my favorites. > >Great line, we've been listening to pulses! I've often argued with >tongue firmly planted in cheek that a CD player is actually a >synthesizer and the CD is the software it plays to synthesize an >orchestra-ish sound. > >Hi Tech wrote: >> ron, >> what a cogent post! the carver silver 7 also came in a tube version, the >> silver 7 T. ironically, the 7T was a better amp, as it could drive the >> 'amazing loudspeaker' to higher volumes. >> anything is possible in sound...we have been happy listening to pulses >> instead of real music for years now. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun May 21 22:05:31 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:05:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Tale of Two Tape Recorders In-Reply-To: <446EA081.5000801@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060521150531.0082eca0@earthlink.net> You had one excellent teacher and class! In college I got to play around in the Oberlin conservatory of music. One of my best lessons was from the harpsichord builder's shop. He was building 2 identical kits, and both were in the same stage of construction. One was full and wonderful, while the other was just a harpsichord. Amazing what a better piece of wood does for an acoustic instrument. tom brucker At 11:52 PM 5/19/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Guys, > >I was sorting through my notes from my electronics class in high school >and ran across a very interesting item. The day�s topic was Tube Sound >Versus Transistor Sound. Firstly, he had two single stage amplifiers set >up, one with a 6BK6 duplex diode high-mu triode and another with a >2N5088 transistor. The 6BK6's triode and the transistor were biased >using resistor and capacitor values taken from the manufacturer�s date >sheet or application guides. Therefore, the two devices were being >operated in a generic amplifier design, not some state of the art >design, or a design intended to manipulate the outcome of the >comparison. Neither amp used exotic components or inverse feedback; >these were the minimum circuitry needed to make a usable amplifier. He >then hooked up the two demo amplifiers and ran THD measurements referred >to 500 mV output levels, a typical level for consumer preamplifiers. >The tube measured 0.26% THD, the transistor measured 0.27% THD. This >surprised the class. We expected the transistor to have far lower THD >than the tube, nit for both to be aproximately the same. > >Then, he brought in two reel-to-reel tape recorders, an Ampex 602 and an >Ampex AG600, along with a Crown D75 amplifier and a JBL 4312 speaker. >These are basically the same tape transport and heads except that a 602 >uses tube electronics and is an ugly brown while the AG600 uses >transistor electronics and is an ugly grey. He took the time to bias and >EQ the two recorders so that we knew they were in perfect condition. > >He played the same tape on both recorders and everyone got their second >surprise: both tape recorders sounded the same. It was nearly impossible >to hear a difference between the two. The 602 (tube) had a very faint >hum that was the only difference I heard. > >Finally, he brought out two ElectroVoice 635A microphones and a really >nice Martin dreadnought guitar. One of the students was a good amateur >guitarist so we recorded some music on both machines at the same time. >Here came our third surprise: the two recorders still sounded >practically identical, but I noticed, as did most of the other students, >when the guitarist hit a loud note that "buried" the meter the tube 602 >didn�t distort the brief overload but the transistor AG600 DID distort. > >He then made the point to us that, with careful design, tubes and >transistors can sound virtually the same. It was quite a revelation. > >This was when I decided I wanted an Ampex 602. I got mine a year later, >and I still have it in -- perfect working order following a recent >restoration I did. >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun May 21 22:09:28 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:09:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtube forrecordandplaybackcircuitry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060521150928.0082e9a0@earthlink.net> Alex, You are better off for forgetting the cube, trust me! tom brucker At 12:32 PM 5/20/06 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Folks! > >>From Carver I had the opportunity to hear "The Cube"...only! Was a long time >ago...so today I can't remember, how sounded! > >Here in Israel at that time, was NOT an a official importer! > >Today I own a Hybrid ARC SP-9/2 preamp + a Dynaco Stereo 70 Mk-2, made by >Panor...it;s 500% OK for my tate & hears! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: packratt at erols.com >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with >>vacuumtube for recordandplaybackcircuitry >>Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:55:07 -0400 >> >>In addition to the Silver 7s there was a Silver 9 and 9t that had even more >>juice. >> >>Actually almost all of Carver's solid state amps had a tube like sound to >>them. Somewhere I've read which tube amps which line of Carver's is >>supposed to emulate. I do remember reading that he made a bet with the >>editors of some audio magazine that he could build an amp that would sound >>like xyz tube amp in his hotel room before the weekend the show he was >>attending was over. He won the bet and the amp became the basis for one of >>his amp lines. >> >>Le >> >>Ron wrote: >> >>> >>>Hi Tech wrote: >>> >>>>ron, >>>>what a cogent post! the carver silver 7 also came in a tube version, the >>>>silver 7 T. >>> >>> >>>Ahh, Tom, you are way ahead of me... I didn't remember that >>>it was the Silver 7. >>> >>>>ironically, the 7T was a better amp, as it could drive the >>>>'amazing loudspeaker' to higher volumes. >>> >>> >>>I am not surprised, as Bob Carver no doubt had 'political' >>>motives. I am sure that the 7T was more expensive, though >>>I don't know what either amp cost. >>> >>>In principle, if the emulation is done right (yea, I know. >>>There are many ways to do a shoddy job, but very few to do >>>a good one) and the power outputs are the same, the amps >>>should sound identical. >>> >>>>anything is possible in sound...we have been happy listening to pulses >>>>instead of real music for years now. >>> >>> >>>Oh, I don't know about that. As long as my system gives me >>>the sensations I get at real live concerts, I'm a happy >>>camper. Analog or digital -- I don't really care, as long >>>as the sound satisfies. *Some* cassettes, played on a CR-7, >>>beat many CDs, but then, *some* DVD-As, played on a >>>24bit/192KHz player, easily surpass many cassettes and LPs. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>>> >>>>tom brucker >>>> >>>>At 12:04 PM 5/19/06 -0400, you wrote: >>>> >>>>>Sure, Sergei. In the late 80s, Carver sold a SS amp >>>>>that was designed to sound like tube equipment. It >>>>>enjoyed a rather limited success -- and that, mainly >>>>>with the dyed in the wool aficionados. >>>>> >>>>>In general, any device -- tube, SS or whatever -- has >>>>>a characteristic, known as 'transfer function', that >>>>>defines its behaviour, such as distortion. >>>>> >>>>>The ideal transfer function looks like a straight line. >>>>>Unfortunately, real world transfer functions don't >>>>>even come close, so designers have to resort to tricks, >>>>>such as operating a device over a narrow range of the >>>>>function, where it's closest to linear and applying >>>>>negative feedback. It so happens that these are easier >>>>>to do with SS devices than with tubes. >>>>> >>>>>Transfer functions are quite different for different >>>>>tube types (triodes vs. penthids, etc.), as well as >>>>>for different SS types (bi-polar, FETs, etc.). Tube >>>>>transfer functions can be emulated by SS devices, as >>>>>can be the I/O capacitances and impedances that >>>>>affect frequency response and other characteristics. >>>>> >>>>>Note that tubes are beloved by some people not because >>>>>of their low distortion or wide frequency response, but >>>>>precisely because they do generate distortion (of a >>>>>particular type, that imparts to the sound what people >>>>>lovingly call 'warmth'). This can be easily emulated >>>>>(but lack of distortion is not easily emulated by >>>>>devices that do distort, so that SS cannot be as easily >>>>>emulated by tube circuits. >>>>> >>>>>I could also mention the huge disadvantages of tube >>>>>technology, but this has already been long enough... >>>>>I hope it managed to answer your question. >>>>> >>>>>-- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Sergei Vorontsov wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hello Ron, >>>>>> >>>>>>Could you please give examples of SS that sounds like tubes >>>>>> >>>>>>Sergei >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Friday, May 19, 2006, 2:31:09 PM, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>R> Nelson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Kermit said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, solid >>>>>>>>state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one >>>>>>>>person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have every >>>>>>>>technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state -- >>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits of >>>>>>>>each >>>>>>>>technology. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well put. There are similar analogies, I think - 35mm or digital >>>>>>>>versus >>>>>>>>full plate photography; water colours versus oils; digital (on-line) >>>>>>> >>>>editing >>>> >>>>>>>>versus linear (off-line) editing. Each has its place (advantages and >>>>>>>>disadvantages) individually or as part of the artists' palettes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>R> Yet, there is a difference, in that most technologies cannot >>>>>>R> easily be made to emulate each other, while SS can be designed >>>>>>R> to sound like tubes. >>>>>> >>>>>>R> -- Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Kermit also said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The inevitable (yet silly) >>>>>>>>tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the >>>>>>>>domain >>>>>>>>of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who like >>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In fairness, I think the hi fi press have added fuel to these >>>>>>>>arguments. >>>>>>>>But before them the seeds were sown by the manufacturers who followed >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>fashionable trend in the 1960s away from tubes to transistors and >>>>>>>>claimed >>>>>>>>they were better for whatever reason. Harold J Leak switched from >>>>>>> >>>>tubes to >>>> >>>>>>>>transistors simply because he felt they were the "new technology" and >>>>>>> >>>>tubes >>>> >>>>>>>>were "old". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>BTW, it is only in recent years that the Russians have moved over the >>>>>>>>manufacturing a wide range of goods using transistors and not tubes. >>>>>>>>The >>>>>>>>belief during the Cold War era was that the Russian military stuck >>>>>>>>with >>>>>>>>tubes because it was believed they would survive nuclear explosions. >>>>>>> >>>>About >>>> >>>>>>>>a year ago I heard a Russian military expert interviewed and he was >>>>>>>>asked >>>>>>>>about this. It was, he said bullsh#t. The only reason they used >>>>>>> >>>>values in >>>> >>>>>>>>the past was because they couldn't make transistors as well as we >>>>>>> >>>>could in >>>> >>>>>>>>the West! I wonder if this has also been true of the Chinese ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Gra' >>>>>>> >>>>>>R> >>>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun May 21 22:26:28 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:26:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts... a motor for my 550 In-Reply-To: <446F0D05.9030101@snet.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060519155708.00822640@earthlink.net> <446E0251.7070807@woods-and-waters.com> <3.0.3.32.20060519155708.00822640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060521152628.0082e520@earthlink.net> If the generic motor is MHX-8B2RSN on the motor label I have a used one. email hitech77 at earthlink.net off list, so we don't bore people. tom brucker At 08:35 AM 5/20/06 -0400, you wrote: >As long as the parts thread is going, I just picked up a 550 for $50 and >now have it broken down into pieces for a full restoration. When I tore >down the motor I noticed that the bushings are so badly worn that I'm >just about down to the base copper! So, I'm looking for a motor so that >I don't need to cannibalize my mostly working 600II or fully functional 250. > >Interestingly, the motor in this 550 only has three leads instead of the >more usual four leads (with the two yellow for the tach). And, there are >four bushings instead of two. Anyone out there know about this >difference. I'm assuming that this is probably very early production >that I have and that a revision was done later. > >Thanks All, Ed > >Hi Tech wrote: > >> kannan, >> The idea is to get parts machines into NakTalk members hands, and then >> part them out. Until we get a 680 parts machine, you should describe >> what you need, and see if someone has it. >> I have the following parts machines here: MR-2 and 600. Someone is >> going to give us a ZX 9, but we will look at it first to be sure it is >> irreparable. It looks like we have a 581 in England. Everyone can do >> their part by searching ebay for parts machines in their own >> countries. If you find yard sale or dustbin naks in hopeless >> condition, by all means pick them up and hit the "donate" button. I >> will volunteer to give free advice on what repairs might be required >> before donating. >> >> tom brucker > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ws407c at comcast.net Sun May 21 17:42:34 2006 From: ws407c at comcast.net (ws407c at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:42:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtubefor recordandplaybackcircuitry Message-ID: <052120061542.27992.44708A6A000925ED00006D5822007374780CC9CFCB9C99@comcast.net> This line in a post reminds me how I got my first NAK not too long ago : >From: "Richard L. Hess" >To: "Alex Cozac" >Subject: Re: FW: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtubefor >recordandplaybackcircuitry >Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:43:57 -0400 > >Thanks - while Nak was at the pinnacle of cassette greatness, the format, >was, well not so great. ---------------- "the format,was, well not so great" well , no format is that great the way I see it and I rediscovered cassette and its usefulness by accident when I got my first NAK. There is the tube vs. solid state , analog vs. digital , format vs. format . All of this debate is answered by the opinion of the user and frankly , I just want to listen to good sounding music and have the ability to capture audio on demand without any of the controlling issues that are at hand with the digital formats today. Digital is so out of control today as far as copyright protection and the rights to be able to use the content are becoming more and more restrictive to the point of uselessness . One day I discovered my friend using a cassette deck to record off the internet and thought to myself , wow , using crappy cassette medium to record his music off the net , I was laughing hard to myself at the thought of this , must sound awful . I wanted so bad to get a song I heard streaming on an internet radio station but could not find the song to purchase. Yes I purchase my music but in the form of a real tangible object not a download. So I said to myself , I'm going to try it and I did. I hooked up a Kenwood dual-well piece of junk cassette deck to my computer and recorded the internet radio stream til I got my song I was looking for and the results were actually pleasing. I then played the tape at the store and the clerk was able to get the CD for me . Seeing that the results were better than I thought , I started to research cassette decks and look for them on eBay. It seemed that Nakamichi was the best and within that manufacturer I chose a ZX-9 and bought one on eBay. Got a nice sound card and hooked the ZX-9 to it and now one of my ZX-9's is now a permanent computer peripheral , and it makes superb recordings off the net without any of the B.S. associated with the other formats ! Since then I have purchased two more ZX-9's and I love them as well as the cassette format. The Cassette format (with good equipment) is simple to use easy to transport , does not get scratched up and has no limitations as far as copyright control. Tapes that are taken care of will last years . CD's are easily scratched and are made with aluminum on a flexible substrate . Aluminum in my opinion is not a good archival substance due to its corrosion properties as well as the thickness of the layer.(very fragile) DVD's are the biggest joke and marketing scam so far. They ROT ! Again due to the thin layer of aluminum on a flexible substrate . Due to the DVD's smaller spot size and being two layers of plastic glued together at the data area, this effect is more pronounced. My DVD collection is around 800 titles and I take very good care of them and I do have ones that are rotting away !(extremely fragile) Optical disk's need to me manufactured out of GLASS and use only GOLD or other non oxidizing material for the data retention , then we'll have a nice archival quality medium to spend big dollars on and expect it to work 20 years from now. Records are super sounding but obviously wear out with play and last forever if not played but I still buy them when they are available because I like the sound. So to me after all my babble , Cassette is a great medium for "me" and fits quite nicely into my life as a convenient hassle free superb sounding format . And yes , a Nakamichi is needed :-) Dave From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon May 22 00:53:10 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 17:53:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playback circuitury In-Reply-To: <44707409.2080106@sbcglobal.net> References: <44707409.2080106@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4470EF56.9070701@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Kenneth, Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote: > Here is a link to an old article that I think still has merit today. I > have noticed myself over the years that tubes really shine when they are > next to the transducer.... microphone, cartridge, or speaker. I consider > a playback or record head a transducer so I think Kermit has the right > idea to use tubes in his cassette deck. I appreciate the kind words! I must emphasize that the main reason I'm using tubes is that I've discovered an improvement to analog recording technology and implementing the discovery is easier with tubes than with solid state. In other words, I'm lazy. (I'm joking). Another wonderful way to compare the sonic differences of tubes vs transistors is to listen to an AKG C12 microphone (tube), C12A (nuvistor) and a 1970s-vintage C414 (transistor). All three mics use the same capsule yet sound very different. The C12 is my most-favorite of all mics ... fabulous and natural on everything. [Subliminal message: I will buy three AKG C12 for my Nak 550... then file for bankruptcy.] The C12A has an unusual coloration, a bit sweet sounding on vocals and more forward on acoustic instruments. the C414 is very forward sounding and has a hard edge compared to the C12. The C414 also tends to become shrill on brass instruments whereas the C12 doesn't. The C414 tends to emphasize sibilance whereas the C12 doesn't. > I too have heard excellent sound > from solid state designs. But I have never heard any solid state design > that sounds as real on acoustic instruments as the best vacuum tube > designs. Oh wow, you MUST hear a Scully 100, 280 or 280B; an Ampex ATR-100 restored by Mark Spitz and the 3M 79. These are all three solid state recorders (30-ips reel-to-reel) that are every bit as natural in their rendering of acoustic instruments as the best tube designs! I owned the Scullys at one time and have also spent many hours recording on the Ampex ATR-100 and 3M 79. These are quite possibly the best 30ips half-inch analog recorders and they can capture frequencies past 50kHz. (Also the residual noise of a good analog console may be more than 120dB below its maximum output level, something the digital units achieved only in the last four or five years). > Oh and personally I don't care one way or the other. I just want what > sounds the most real to my ears. Analog and tubes in general are a pain > in the ass. I look froward to the day digital and solid state rule the > day. I am just still waiting.... I'm with you on that! And I'm still waiting! Don't worry, one day digital and solid state will finally equal the splendor of analog. Consider that the first analog tape recorder came about in the 1930s and it wasn't until the late 1970s that the techology reached its zenith, a span of approximately 40 years. Digital audio began in the mid-1970s, so we still have a decade to go. From what I've heard out of Direct Stream Digital mastering gear (DSD avoids most of PCM's inherent sonic woes), well-done SACDs as well as Meitner's A/D and D/A convertors we're already seeing digital that is ever-so-close to analog. Now all that has to be done is a refinement or improvement of that technology, possibly higher sample rate of 5.64 MHz instead of the present 2.82 MHz, then bringing the cost down without compromising quality. > http://www.gprime.com/proaudio/tubes/tubes.htm I thoroughly enjoyed the article! Thanks! I'm putting it on my must-read list. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From caldwell at cvtel.net Mon May 22 01:49:27 2006 From: caldwell at cvtel.net (Scott Caldwell) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 18:49:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for recordandplaybackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <446E4CCB.1030306@erols.com> Message-ID: <4470B637.8451.6B9F2E7@localhost> Regarding the question about SS amps that sound like tubes - the VFET amps from Sony, Yamaha, et al in the '70's and early 80's. Google VFET to find out more. Scott From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon May 22 02:39:16 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 17:39:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 can hear recording at B-side Message-ID: I have a stupid tech question about deciphering the part numbers for the ICs used in the various Naks; specifically the more-or-less off-the-shelf gates and other TTL (actually their CMOS equivalents) stuff. In looking for a replacement for, say a 4000 series CMOS IC: 1. I've gathered that the prefixed letters to the "4000" part generally seem to refer to the manufacturer, so they aren't usually important for getting a replacement (unless that's the only mfg.), so an "MSM4xxx" should be equivalent to a "CD4xxx" in general. Is this correct? 2. Sometimes there's an intervening "1" between the mfg letters (e.g. "MSM") and the "4xxx" part; is there any pattern to this (e.g. MSM14xxx vs MSM 4xxx)? 3. Is there a rhyme or reason to the letters suffixed after the 4xxx part (e.g. B,C,R,S, or some combination as well as some others)? I have a specific part in mind at this time, the Nak part listed in the svc. manual is MSM4516RS and the one I can get easily is a CD14516BCP; does this substitution work? Thanks in advance...-kby From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon May 22 06:37:14 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 04:37:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtubeforrecordandplaybackcircuitry Message-ID: Hi Tom! Sorry, that WAS the only Carver product that I hear here in the Holly Land...Israel...& was 20 or more years ago!. I love tubes...till I sold my Marantz 7c & 8b units to an a collector...today I own since 3 & 2 years ago from my best passed away buddy that really love music his ATC SP-9/2 preamp; Dynaco ST-70/2 power made by Panor, & his Nak Dragon. The turntables are mine & "Collect" 4 of them + my ample near 12,000 LP vinly records...almost forgot..a Philips 850/2 Cd player...LOL...almost all my gear are BTW...Mark 2 series! Be well, my dear Tom! ALEX! >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with >vacuumtubeforrecordandplaybackcircuitry >Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:09:28 -0500 > >Alex, > You are better off for forgetting the cube, trust me! > >tom brucker > >At 12:32 PM 5/20/06 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi Folks! > > > >>From Carver I had the opportunity to hear "The Cube"...only! Was a long >time > >ago...so today I can't remember, how sounded! > > > >Here in Israel at that time, was NOT an a official importer! > > > >Today I own a Hybrid ARC SP-9/2 preamp + a Dynaco Stereo 70 Mk-2, made by > >Panor...it;s 500% OK for my tate & hears! > > > >Cheers, > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: packratt at erols.com > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with > >>vacuumtube for recordandplaybackcircuitry > >>Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:55:07 -0400 > >> > >>In addition to the Silver 7s there was a Silver 9 and 9t that had even >more > >>juice. > >> > >>Actually almost all of Carver's solid state amps had a tube like sound >to > >>them. Somewhere I've read which tube amps which line of Carver's is > >>supposed to emulate. I do remember reading that he made a bet with the > >>editors of some audio magazine that he could build an amp that would >sound > >>like xyz tube amp in his hotel room before the weekend the show he was > >>attending was over. He won the bet and the amp became the basis for one >of > >>his amp lines. > >> > >>Le > >> > >>Ron wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>Hi Tech wrote: > >>> > >>>>ron, > >>>>what a cogent post! the carver silver 7 also came in a tube version, >the > >>>>silver 7 T. > >>> > >>> > >>>Ahh, Tom, you are way ahead of me... I didn't remember that > >>>it was the Silver 7. > >>> > >>>>ironically, the 7T was a better amp, as it could drive the > >>>>'amazing loudspeaker' to higher volumes. > >>> > >>> > >>>I am not surprised, as Bob Carver no doubt had 'political' > >>>motives. I am sure that the 7T was more expensive, though > >>>I don't know what either amp cost. > >>> > >>>In principle, if the emulation is done right (yea, I know. > >>>There are many ways to do a shoddy job, but very few to do > >>>a good one) and the power outputs are the same, the amps > >>>should sound identical. > >>> > >>>>anything is possible in sound...we have been happy listening to pulses > >>>>instead of real music for years now. > >>> > >>> > >>>Oh, I don't know about that. As long as my system gives me > >>>the sensations I get at real live concerts, I'm a happy > >>>camper. Analog or digital -- I don't really care, as long > >>>as the sound satisfies. *Some* cassettes, played on a CR-7, > >>>beat many CDs, but then, *some* DVD-As, played on a > >>>24bit/192KHz player, easily surpass many cassettes and LPs. > >>> > >>>-- Ron > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>>tom brucker > >>>> > >>>>At 12:04 PM 5/19/06 -0400, you wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>Sure, Sergei. In the late 80s, Carver sold a SS amp > >>>>>that was designed to sound like tube equipment. It > >>>>>enjoyed a rather limited success -- and that, mainly > >>>>>with the dyed in the wool aficionados. > >>>>> > >>>>>In general, any device -- tube, SS or whatever -- has > >>>>>a characteristic, known as 'transfer function', that > >>>>>defines its behaviour, such as distortion. > >>>>> > >>>>>The ideal transfer function looks like a straight line. > >>>>>Unfortunately, real world transfer functions don't > >>>>>even come close, so designers have to resort to tricks, > >>>>>such as operating a device over a narrow range of the > >>>>>function, where it's closest to linear and applying > >>>>>negative feedback. It so happens that these are easier > >>>>>to do with SS devices than with tubes. > >>>>> > >>>>>Transfer functions are quite different for different > >>>>>tube types (triodes vs. penthids, etc.), as well as > >>>>>for different SS types (bi-polar, FETs, etc.). Tube > >>>>>transfer functions can be emulated by SS devices, as > >>>>>can be the I/O capacitances and impedances that > >>>>>affect frequency response and other characteristics. > >>>>> > >>>>>Note that tubes are beloved by some people not because > >>>>>of their low distortion or wide frequency response, but > >>>>>precisely because they do generate distortion (of a > >>>>>particular type, that imparts to the sound what people > >>>>>lovingly call 'warmth'). This can be easily emulated > >>>>>(but lack of distortion is not easily emulated by > >>>>>devices that do distort, so that SS cannot be as easily > >>>>>emulated by tube circuits. > >>>>> > >>>>>I could also mention the huge disadvantages of tube > >>>>>technology, but this has already been long enough... > >>>>>I hope it managed to answer your question. > >>>>> > >>>>>-- Ron > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Sergei Vorontsov wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>Hello Ron, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Could you please give examples of SS that sounds like tubes > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Sergei > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Friday, May 19, 2006, 2:31:09 PM, you wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>R> Nelson wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Kermit said: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Tubes sound different from solid state, not better. Likewise, >solid > >>>>>>>>state sounds different from tubes, not better. Better is only one > >>>>>>>>person's opinion. Those professionals who truly know audio have >every > >>>>>>>>technoloogy in their studio -- analog, digital, tube, soldi state >-- > >>>>>>>>to > >>>>>>>>expand their solid pallette and to let them exploit the benefits >of > >>>>>>>>each > >>>>>>>>technology. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Well put. There are similar analogies, I think - 35mm or digital > >>>>>>>>versus > >>>>>>>>full plate photography; water colours versus oils; digital >(on-line) > >>>>>>> > >>>>editing > >>>> > >>>>>>>>versus linear (off-line) editing. Each has its place (advantages >and > >>>>>>>>disadvantages) individually or as part of the artists' palettes. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>R> Yet, there is a difference, in that most technologies cannot > >>>>>>R> easily be made to emulate each other, while SS can be designed > >>>>>>R> to sound like tubes. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>R> -- Ron > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Kermit also said: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>The inevitable (yet silly) > >>>>>>>>tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital debates are usually the > >>>>>>>>domain > >>>>>>>>of amateurs, braggarts, salespersons and those few persons who >like > >>>>>>>>to > >>>>>>>>argue a topic simply because arguing is a sport for them. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>In fairness, I think the hi fi press have added fuel to these > >>>>>>>>arguments. > >>>>>>>>But before them the seeds were sown by the manufacturers who >followed > >>>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>>fashionable trend in the 1960s away from tubes to transistors and > >>>>>>>>claimed > >>>>>>>>they were better for whatever reason. Harold J Leak switched from > >>>>>>> > >>>>tubes to > >>>> > >>>>>>>>transistors simply because he felt they were the "new technology" >and > >>>>>>> > >>>>tubes > >>>> > >>>>>>>>were "old". > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>BTW, it is only in recent years that the Russians have moved over >the > >>>>>>>>manufacturing a wide range of goods using transistors and not >tubes. > >>>>>>>>The > >>>>>>>>belief during the Cold War era was that the Russian military stuck > >>>>>>>>with > >>>>>>>>tubes because it was believed they would survive nuclear >explosions. > >>>>>>> > >>>>About > >>>> > >>>>>>>>a year ago I heard a Russian military expert interviewed and he >was > >>>>>>>>asked > >>>>>>>>about this. It was, he said bullsh#t. The only reason they used > >>>>>>> > >>>>values in > >>>> > >>>>>>>>the past was because they couldn't make transistors as well as we > >>>>>>> > >>>>could in > >>>> > >>>>>>>>the West! I wonder if this has also been true of the Chinese ... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Gra' > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>R> > >>>>> > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon May 22 13:39:46 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 06:39:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 can hear recording at B-side In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060522063946.00b3f5a8@pop.earthlink.net> Prefix letters uusually can be substituted. Suffix letters are case or package styles, and will not substitute. LC, UPD, CD commonly substitute. Letters in the middle denote specialized types, so do not use a common type where a special type is specified. tom brucker At 05:39 PM 5/21/2006 -0700, you wrote: > >I have a stupid tech question about deciphering the part numbers for >the ICs used in the various Naks; >specifically the more-or-less off-the-shelf gates and other TTL >(actually their CMOS equivalents) stuff. > >In looking for a replacement for, say a 4000 series CMOS IC: > >1. I've gathered that the prefixed letters to the "4000" part >generally seem to refer to the manufacturer, so they aren't > usually important for getting a replacement (unless that's the only >mfg.), so an "MSM4xxx" should be equivalent to > a "CD4xxx" in general. Is this correct? >2. Sometimes there's an intervening "1" between the mfg letters (e.g. >"MSM") and the "4xxx" part; is there any pattern to this > (e.g. MSM14xxx vs MSM 4xxx)? >3. Is there a rhyme or reason to the letters suffixed after the 4xxx >part (e.g. B,C,R,S, or some combination as well as some others)? > >I have a specific part in mind at this time, the Nak part listed in >the svc. manual is MSM4516RS and the one I can get easily >is a CD14516BCP; does this substitution work? > >Thanks in advance...-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 22 15:06:20 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:06:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 can hear recording at B-side In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4471B74C.8020008@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > I have a stupid tech question about deciphering the part numbers for the > ICs used in the various Naks; > specifically the more-or-less off-the-shelf gates and other TTL > (actually their CMOS equivalents) stuff. > > In looking for a replacement for, say a 4000 series CMOS IC: > > 1. I've gathered that the prefixed letters to the "4000" part generally > seem to refer to the manufacturer, so they aren't > usually important for getting a replacement (unless that's the only > mfg.), so an "MSM4xxx" should be equivalent to a "CD4xxx" in general. > Is this correct? Generally, yes. > 2. Sometimes there's an intervening "1" between the mfg letters (e.g. > "MSM") and the "4xxx" part; is there any pattern to this > (e.g. MSM14xxx vs MSM 4xxx)? No special rule here. If there is any doubt whatsoever, check the data sheets from the respective manufacturers. > 3. Is there a rhyme or reason to the letters suffixed after the 4xxx > part (e.g. B,C,R,S, or some combination as well as some others)? Yea, the 'A' or 'B' denote different characteristics of generally the same chip. IIRC, the 'B' denotes a higher Vd(max) Type. > I have a specific part in mind at this time, the Nak part listed in the > svc. manual is MSM4516RS and the one I can get easily > is a CD14516BCP; does this substitution work? Compare specs, if you can find them. I found some OKI specs on http://www.datasheets.org.uk/specsheet.php?part=MSM4516RS, as follows: Part Number = MSM4516RS Manufacturer Name = OKI Electronic Components Description = 4-Bit Binary Up-Down Counter Maximum Modulus = 16 Circuits Per Package = 1 Preload (Y/N) = Yes f(oper) Max. (Hz) = 1.5M Vsup Nom.(V) Supply Voltage = 16 Package = DIP Pins = 16 Military = N Technology = CMOS but no data sheet or pinout. However, you should be able to find the pinout for it in the schematic. I do have the 1978 RCA data book that shows the CD14516B, but is too old to show the CP package type (I assume you need the 16 pin plastic DIP) It's also a 4 bit counter, with Vdd(max)=20V, that can replace the OKI product with no problem (though the opposite is not necessarily true. I would make sure the pinout is correct, then replace. Good luck, -- Ron From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 22 15:59:13 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:59:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitury In-Reply-To: <4470EF56.9070701@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 21 May 2006 23:53 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitury Hi Kenneth, .... From what I've heard out of .... Meitner's A/D and D/A convertors we're already seeing digital that is ever-so-close to analog. Trouble is it's so damned expensive! Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon May 22 16:20:50 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 07:20:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! Message-ID: I can't believe it... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9730253223&ssPageName=ADM E:B:SS:US:1 AND... shipping for these tapes, from Virginia USA to California USA is only $18.61 by UPS ground with out insurance!! Those have gotta be "heavy metal" tapes, not metal tapes, right? Doane From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 22 17:42:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:42:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for recordandplaybackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <446E6633.3020508@woods-and-waters.com> References: <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> <446DBA8D.70904@rcn.com> <9824910409.20060519170221@kharkov.ua> <3.0.3.32.20060519153611.00822640@earthlink.net> <446E6633.3020508@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4471DBFE.2030802@rcn.com> LOL... After promising to killfile me, Kermit now argues with me in his response to Tom... That's OK, I hope every one is finding the discussion interesting. Kermit states that design and implementation affect sonic quality more than the utilized technology. This, I wholly agree with -- examples abound. However, the hallmark of 'good' engineering is finding the optimal technology for achieving design goals, even if a less optimal technology will still do when skillfully applied. Kermit also states that his goal is reproduction that comes as close as possible to the original. Since I fully agree with this goal, I am perplexed as to why would he choose tubes for audio amplification. Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Like I said in a previous post, I'm always surprised at the number of > persons who do not know that tubes are capable of extremely low > distortion. There is no dearth of engineers that don't know that and heartily laugh at the idea. Mainly, because it is not true, when compared with SS. Kermit is implying that there are some secrets to tube design, that, if mastered, will somehow achieve lower distortion -- secrets that only a handful of insiders have discovered and all other engineers in the world are oblivious of. Really? Tom says, as a blanket statement, that tubes are more linear than transistors... Not so. Just compare tube and transistor data sheets. There is only one technique I know of that is applicable to tubes but not to SS designs (ultra linear configuration), while there are several SS techniques not applicable to tubes (i.e., complimentary NPN/PNP designs, true matching, thermal tracking, DC coupling, practical op amps, etc.) Bottom line, the proof of this particular pudding is in the actual amps... How come even the best tube power amps have THD of 0.5% to 1% (lowest claims are about 0.1%), while good SS amps of higher power and lower cost fall with ease in the 0.002% to 0.05% range? > But then again, to admit that tubes are capable of > extremely low distortion doesn't serve the position that transistors are > "better" than tubes. Transistors are actually switches, even so-called > audio transitors... That's simply not true, but, I guess, goes over well with the 'tubes sound better' crowd that has no idea what the claim actually means. Transistors are analog, not switching devices. They can be used for switching, though (as can tubes). > ...and therefore have inherently high distortion, no > better or worse than tubes in that regard. The design technique and > quality of components used in making the tube or transistor amp > determines how much or how little distortion the product produces. What > does differ is how tubes and transistors distort and the causes of the > distortions. > > Unfortunately, the vast majority of tube products exhibited high > distortion because their designers never designed circuits for low > distortion -- despite what the ads claimed. So, how come the majority of SS products exhibit extremely low distortion? Are SS design engineers vastly superiour to their hollow state counterparts? > [.......] > Great line, we've been listening to pulses! That's more of the same... Claims that are completely, totally unfounded. Audio output of CD player DACs is just as analog as that of an LP or cassette. Sure, at some point during the processing, the signal was "stair cased", (never "pulses", though) but no one ever gets to listen to it at that point in its life. It's like claiming that steak is inedible, because at one time it used to be a piece of flesh inside a steer :-). > I've often argued with > tongue firmly planted in cheek that a CD player is actually a > synthesizer and the CD is the software it plays to synthesize an > orchestra-ish sound. Even more of the same (though it has to do with digital vs. analog, rather than hollow state vs. SS). A CD player is no more a synthesizer than an FM tuner or cassette recorder is. In all these formats, the audio signal is processed to better suit transmittal or recording. Once extracted after transmission or recording, reverse processing is used to reproduce the original signal. We should be concerned with the accuracy of the final reproduced audio signal. How it looked before and/or during processing is immaterial. Someone else here stated the tubes shine when used close to a transducer. Not so. In that function, no tube circuit can even start to compete with a FET coupled to an op-amp (see Nak head amplifiers), as far as low noise, low distortion, wide frequency response, etc., etc.. To summarize: both tube and SS can be used to produce quality sound. However, in general, SS is better suited to the task and can provide better results (defined as higher accuracy). When tubes are preferred, it's not because they produce less distortion, but the exact opposite: it's because they produce *more* distortion, but of the kind the aficionados enjoy. -- Ron > > Hi Tech wrote: >> ron, >> what a cogent post! the carver silver 7 also came in a tube >> version, the >> silver 7 T. ironically, the 7T was a better amp, as it could drive the >> 'amazing loudspeaker' to higher volumes. >> anything is possible in sound...we have been happy listening to pulses >> instead of real music for years now. > From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Mon May 22 17:43:10 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:43:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playback, circuitury Message-ID: <4471DC0E.8070701@sbcglobal.net> Kermit says: " Oh wow, you MUST hear a Scully 100, 280 or 280B; an Ampex ATR-100 restored by Mark Spitz and the 3M 79. These are all three solid state recorders (30-ips reel-to-reel) that are every bit as natural in their rendering of acoustic instruments as the best tube designs! I owned the Scullys at one time and have also spent many hours recording on the Ampex ATR-100 and 3M 79. These are quite possibly the best 30ips half-inch analog recorders and they can capture frequencies past 50kHz. (Also the residual noise of a good analog console may be more than 120dB below its maximum output level, something the digital units achieved only in the last four or five years)." Ken says: Well I was thinking playback gear and tube mics. But of course you are correct. I have very limited experience in the recording area. All of my gear is solid state. I have used some tube mics and a tube preamp with excellent results, but for the most part my recording gear is semi pro. Tascam TSR 8, Teac X2000R, Nak Dragon, Mackie 8/24 board, etc... But I get hold of some high end recording gear from time to time. The best sound I ever got on my drum kit was using a pair of tube mics with a solid state preamp. But I can't remember the brands at the moment.. We had a tube mic preamp, but the solid state one sounded incredible. I could not believe it was solid state. But the tube mic Neuman (?) was killer. But really I don't know enough about this stuff to carry on an intelligent conversation with you. But I do know playback gear. And the illusion of real music pours from excellent tube gear. And that Nak dragon is part of the mix! ( the solid state bugger! ) Kermit says: " I thoroughly enjoyed the article! Thanks! I'm putting it on my must-read list." Ken says: Oh yes! There is just nothing better than a good read on tubes and transistors! :-) Especially a vintage article! Get moving on your cassette deck! I want lots of LED's on mine! It needs to light up like a Christmas tree in Las Vegas! But of course I want old style VU meters. Maybe some ripped from an old Mac amp ( those big ones).. And mirrors around the tubes... :-) From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon May 22 20:15:22 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:15:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dontion zx-9 Message-ID: <4471FFBA.6030501@xs4all.nl> Here' is the ZX-9 we talked about for donation, those interested, jump on it! Contact info: dmm at math.bu.edu Wouter I have a Nakamichi ZX-9 which I have been told is not worth repairing and which I am willing to give to anyone who can use it for parts for the cost of shipping and a modest fee for my trouble to send it. If you are interested please contact me. Diane From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Mon May 22 19:45:50 2006 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:45:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playback, circuitury, note for Kermit Message-ID: <4471F8CE.5020700@sbcglobal.net> Hi Kermit, I looked back at my notes and found what I used to get an excellent sound on my drum kit. The mic pre was an Amek 9098 dual by Rupert Neve. I like this toy! All solid state too. The mics were a pair of Audio Technica 4060's tube type . We tried some Neumans, but I liked the AT 4060's better. The Neumans were too soft sounding. They were U87's I think. Everything just matched up with the excellent room I was using. The mics were placed about 6 feet off the ground, behind the kit above my shoulders. The sound was just real. It pretty much sounded the way it sounds to my ears as I play. The kit was in a corner of a large living space used for a home studio. I sent Kannan a cassette I made from the digital master with my Dragon. He told me he used the cassette to demo a Nak he had just repaired. He said the guy bought the Nak on the spot. :-) Anyway, I know you have way better gear than this stuff too, but that is some of the best sound I ever heard back of my Tama's. Too bad we do not have one of those Ampex ATR 100's! Ken From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon May 22 20:36:52 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:36:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtube for recordandplaybackcircuitry In-Reply-To: <4471DBFE.2030802@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000701c67dce$b31d88b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Come on lads, we've been through all this before and not so long ago either. Surely the place for these assertions, one way or the other, is on Audiotalk. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 22 May 2006 16:43 To: graker at woods-and-waters.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuumtube for recordandplaybackcircuitry LOL... After promising to killfile me, Kermit now argues with me in his response to Tom... That's OK, I hope every one is finding the discussion interesting. Kermit states that design and implementation affect sonic quality more than the utilized technology. This, I wholly agree with -- examples abound. However, the hallmark of 'good' engineering is finding the optimal technology for achieving design goals, even if a less optimal technology will still do when skillfully applied. Kermit also states that his goal is reproduction that comes as close as possible to the original. Since I fully agree with this goal, I am perplexed as to why would he choose tubes for audio amplification. Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Like I said in a previous post, I'm always surprised at the number of > persons who do not know that tubes are capable of extremely low > distortion. There is no dearth of engineers that don't know that and heartily laugh at the idea. Mainly, because it is not true, when compared with SS. Kermit is implying that there are some secrets to tube design, that, if mastered, will somehow achieve lower distortion -- secrets that only a handful of insiders have discovered and all other engineers in the world are oblivious of. Really? Tom says, as a blanket statement, that tubes are more linear than transistors... Not so. Just compare tube and transistor data sheets. There is only one technique I know of that is applicable to tubes but not to SS designs (ultra linear configuration), while there are several SS techniques not applicable to tubes (i.e., complimentary NPN/PNP designs, true matching, thermal tracking, DC coupling, practical op amps, etc.) Bottom line, the proof of this particular pudding is in the actual amps... How come even the best tube power amps have THD of 0.5% to 1% (lowest claims are about 0.1%), while good SS amps of higher power and lower cost fall with ease in the 0.002% to 0.05% range? > But then again, to admit that tubes are capable of > extremely low distortion doesn't serve the position that transistors are > "better" than tubes. Transistors are actually switches, even so-called > audio transitors... That's simply not true, but, I guess, goes over well with the 'tubes sound better' crowd that has no idea what the claim actually means. Transistors are analog, not switching devices. They can be used for switching, though (as can tubes). > ...and therefore have inherently high distortion, no > better or worse than tubes in that regard. The design technique and > quality of components used in making the tube or transistor amp > determines how much or how little distortion the product produces. What > does differ is how tubes and transistors distort and the causes of the > distortions. > > Unfortunately, the vast majority of tube products exhibited high > distortion because their designers never designed circuits for low > distortion -- despite what the ads claimed. So, how come the majority of SS products exhibit extremely low distortion? Are SS design engineers vastly superiour to their hollow state counterparts? > [.......] > Great line, we've been listening to pulses! That's more of the same... Claims that are completely, totally unfounded. Audio output of CD player DACs is just as analog as that of an LP or cassette. Sure, at some point during the processing, the signal was "stair cased", (never "pulses", though) but no one ever gets to listen to it at that point in its life. It's like claiming that steak is inedible, because at one time it used to be a piece of flesh inside a steer :-). > I've often argued with > tongue firmly planted in cheek that a CD player is actually a > synthesizer and the CD is the software it plays to synthesize an > orchestra-ish sound. Even more of the same (though it has to do with digital vs. analog, rather than hollow state vs. SS). A CD player is no more a synthesizer than an FM tuner or cassette recorder is. In all these formats, the audio signal is processed to better suit transmittal or recording. Once extracted after transmission or recording, reverse processing is used to reproduce the original signal. We should be concerned with the accuracy of the final reproduced audio signal. How it looked before and/or during processing is immaterial. Someone else here stated the tubes shine when used close to a transducer. Not so. In that function, no tube circuit can even start to compete with a FET coupled to an op-amp (see Nak head amplifiers), as far as low noise, low distortion, wide frequency response, etc., etc.. To summarize: both tube and SS can be used to produce quality sound. However, in general, SS is better suited to the task and can provide better results (defined as higher accuracy). When tubes are preferred, it's not because they produce less distortion, but the exact opposite: it's because they produce *more* distortion, but of the kind the aficionados enjoy. -- Ron > > Hi Tech wrote: >> ron, >> what a cogent post! the carver silver 7 also came in a tube >> version, the >> silver 7 T. ironically, the 7T was a better amp, as it could drive the >> 'amazing loudspeaker' to higher volumes. >> anything is possible in sound...we have been happy listening to pulses >> instead of real music for years now. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1.1552 (20060522) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From N4229K at aol.com Mon May 22 23:56:07 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:56:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] dontion zx-9 Message-ID: <42d.1cdd79c.31a38d77@aol.com> Hi Diane: I would be more than willing to send a FedEx call Tag to an address of you choice for the ZX-9. I would not use for parts but refurbish it for my collection of Vintage Naks Thanks Again Dean Sanborn 516 993-7009 I have a Nakamichi ZX-9 which I have been told is not worth repairing and which I am willing to give to anyone who can use it for parts for the cost of shipping and a modest fee for my trouble to send it. If you are interested please contact me. Diane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue May 23 00:04:31 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:04:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What about the ST-7 tuner? In-Reply-To: <42d.1cdd79c.31a38d77@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I have always wondered, were other Nak products as good as their cassette decks? So with that in mind, anyone here using the ST-7 tuner? Any experiences to share and what about its sound quality? I am thinking of getting one, but am not sure about the sound quality, features, ease of use, owner's manual and so on. Any info is much appreciated! Thanks in advance...... Kelvin. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue May 23 03:29:09 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:29:09 -0500 Subject: My first Nakamichi experience (was Re: [naktalk] A Tale of Two Tape Recorders) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060521150531.0082eca0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060521150531.0082eca0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44726565.60407@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, Hi Tech wrote: > You had one excellent teacher and class! This was from on eof two electronics classes, the one with Dr. Mitra. The other class was with Mr. Fordyce. The two teachers were total opposites. Mr. Fordyce would drone on in dry lectures with the last fifteen minutes being "class participation" where everybody argued about the same things that are argued today thirty-one years later. Nothing of substance ever came of his classes and I grew to dread them. I think that's why I have so little patience for people who like to argue just to argue. I learned at an early age just how ultimately unproductive such pursuits are. Dr. Mitra, though, approached arguments differently -- he'd listen to the person, then reply in his quiet Indian accent, "Oh goodness, we have to take a look at that." Then he'd set up a demonstration for both sides of the argument. I learned so much that I still refer to my notes from his class. Quickly on in the class, we stopped trying to put forth an arguement and started asking questions or bringing articles from magazines or stereo ads to see one of Dr. Mitra's demonmstrations of the topic. Man, you really learned alot watching Dr. Mitra demonstrate what an ad claimed. Debunked many an ad claim and proved quite a few as well. The same happened with the magazine articles. His classroom was filled with as neverending parade of equipment, parts. On the spot he'd build a speaker in minutes or an amp or whatever was needed to demonstrate the topic, quietly explaining everything every step of the way. One day, Dr. Mitra gave the class an assignment: those who could were to bring in a reel-to-reel tape recorder and he would equal it or beat its sound with a cassette deck. We all laughed because we thought he was joking but he meant it. I brought in my Akai M-8, the only recorder I owned. Various models of Sony, Pioneer, Teac, and about fifteen other reel-to-reels from the really cheap battery models using three-inch reels to some really nice decks showed up. Dr. Mitra rolled out a Nakamichi 1000. We spent the next half hour listening to the recorders. The Nakamichi beat every reel-to-reel there except for the Revox A77 that the "rich kid" in the class brought in. The 1000 held its own with the A77. The rest of the class was spent with Dr. Mitra explaing WHY a "mere cassette recorder" could sound so good. That was my introduction to Nakamichi cassette decks. I decided then and there I was going to buy one. Never knew on that day that I'd end up with several Nakamichi recorders and would go on to earn quite a bit of money making recordings mastered on "a mere cassette recorder." > At 11:52 PM 5/19/06 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hi Guys, >> >>I was sorting through my notes from my electronics class in high school >>and ran across a very interesting item. ...... >>Then, he brought in two reel-to-reel tape recorders, an Ampex 602 and an >>Ampex AG600.... >>He played the same tape on both recorders and everyone got their second >>surprise: both tape recorders sounded the same.... >>This was when I decided I wanted an Ampex 602. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue May 23 03:30:53 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:30:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck with vacuum tube for record and playbackcircuitury In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447265CD.5050907@woods-and-waters.com> Gi Gra' Nelson wrote: > .... From what I've heard out of .... Meitner's A/D and D/A convertors > we're already seeing digital that is ever-so-close to analog. > > > *Trouble is it's so damned expensive!* Yes, but the cost of that quality will come down as the technology matures. Then things will get really interesting.... -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue May 23 09:37:02 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:37:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] dontion zx-9 In-Reply-To: <42d.1cdd79c.31a38d77@aol.com> References: <42d.1cdd79c.31a38d77@aol.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10605230037r555dea89o67ce5f81d2db4501@mail.gmail.com> Dean, I have the feeling Diane is not on Naktalk. I am sure there is a reason for Wouter to provide an email address for direct contact in his original message. Why don't you try it ? Here it is once more : dmm at math.bu.edu George On 5/22/06, N4229K at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Diane: > I would be more than willing to send a FedEx call Tag to an address of you > choice for the ZX-9. > I would not use for parts but refurbish it for my collection of Vintage Naks > Thanks Again > Dean Sanborn > 516 993-7009 > > > > I have a Nakamichi ZX-9 which I have been told is not worth > repairing and which I am willing to give to anyone who can use it > for parts for the cost of shipping and a modest fee for my trouble > to send it. If you are interested please contact me. > > Diane > > > > > I have a Nakamichi ZX-9 which I have been told is not worth > repairing and which I am willing to give to anyone who can use it > for parts for the cost of shipping and a modest fee for my trouble > to send it. If you are interested please contact me. > > Diane > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Tue May 23 13:22:40 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:22:40 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassette decks? Message-ID: <006101c67e5b$3d3bf0e0$0201a8c0@lan> Certainly for their early amplification, a categoric YES. Unfortunately, I have had no significant exposure to the later product ranges, so cannot comment on the ST-7 etc.. The 610/620 combination is an awesome piece of kit.. under-rated and magnificent sound for the price. I would dearly like to get another 610 to double my tape handling capacity! I had the opportunity in the early 90's when working in Hi Fi retail, to compare my 610/620 to the likes of Musical Fidelity, SONY ES (boring/dull BTW), the best of local ( Perreaux/Plinius etc), Carver, Marantz, and a few others whom I forget, with the idea of a possible upgrade in mind. To cut a long story short I still have them and use them regularly. It wasn't a question of price as staff rates were exceptionaly reasonable, but a question of enjoyment. .. music through the 610/620 and the Audax's ( audaxii?) I was using at the time suited me better. Through my current Wharfedale EVO 40's they sound even better. The 610 has one of the best phono stages I have ever encountered, and you get two of them. The excess of switching doesn't seem to get in the way, though the purists would have to say it has to!! What else can you plug in two turntables, 3 naks, a tuner, and a CD player easily that still sounds credible? not forgetting the mic's. I have friends who claim the phono stage in the 410 is sweeter than the 610, but that is a moot point for me. Nakamichi System One's still seem to command good dollars and a good ebay 'fight', which gives you an indication of their " worth". ( a relative term admittedly) One other Nakamichi amplification set up I was familiar with that sounded greater than the sum, was assembled by a close friend, and used a 610 feeding a 420 and 620 via the nakamichi black box electronic cross- over into a pair of very very very large JBL studio monitors. In summary, the 410/420 and 610/620 are great sound for the $$ if can get good ones. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 23 14:26:00 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:26:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts In-Reply-To: <16200.212.78.164.66.1148031101.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <16200.212.78.164.66.1148031101.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com> I have: a parts MR-1, partly cannibalized but still has many good parts. Let me know what you need. I need: one of the small knob covers and the cassette well door cover for a CR-5 or CR-7. If anyone has either or both parts, please let me know. -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi All, > > Tom (Brucker) came with the great idea to add a donation form on the > naks.com website so people can donate their (broken) Nak to us for use as > parts. > I've just added this page (http://www.naks.com/donate/) and hopefully > we'll get some response. I've added the country to the form so we can find > someone on the list who can receive the donation, and pay for it's > shipping, pick it up or whatever. > > This way, maybe we could have parts like a CR-4 knob in 'stock' since > there are people who are willing to give away their Nak for free since it > is 'broken'... Like the BX-2 I picked up a few weeks ago for free... fixed > it in minutes once i got one of Dean's tires! > > Let's hope good things will come out of this. > > Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue May 23 14:53:45 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:53:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] dontion zx-9 In-Reply-To: <518b7b10605230037r555dea89o67ce5f81d2db4501@mail.gmail.com> References: <42d.1cdd79c.31a38d77@aol.com> <518b7b10605230037r555dea89o67ce5f81d2db4501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20174.212.78.164.66.1148388825.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> She is on naktalk, only recently but has trouble posting. So far (only) 7 responed i understand. Wouter > Dean, > > I have the feeling Diane is not on Naktalk. I am sure there is a > reason for Wouter to provide an email address for direct contact in > his original message. Why don't you try it ? Here it is once more : > > dmm at math.bu.edu > > George From luis at peromarta.org Tue May 23 14:55:46 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:55:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts In-Reply-To: <4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com> References: <16200.212.78.164.66.1148031101.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com> Message-ID: <44730652.5060904@peromarta.org> I need a 10.5mH variable inductor for my 550. (don't ask what happened ...) Any chance ? rgds, LP. Ron wrote: > > I have: a parts MR-1, partly cannibalized but still has many > good parts. Let me know what you need. > > I need: one of the small knob covers and the cassette well > door cover for a CR-5 or CR-7. If anyone has either or > both parts, please let me know. > > -- Ron > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Tom (Brucker) came with the great idea to add a donation form on the >> naks.com website so people can donate their (broken) Nak to us for use as >> parts. >> I've just added this page (http://www.naks.com/donate/) and hopefully >> we'll get some response. I've added the country to the form so we can >> find >> someone on the list who can receive the donation, and pay for it's >> shipping, pick it up or whatever. >> >> This way, maybe we could have parts like a CR-4 knob in 'stock' since >> there are people who are willing to give away their Nak for free since it >> is 'broken'... Like the BX-2 I picked up a few weeks ago for free... >> fixed >> it in minutes once i got one of Dean's tires! >> >> Let's hope good things will come out of this. >> >> Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Tue May 23 15:07:16 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:07:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What about the ST-7 tuner? In-Reply-To: References: <42d.1cdd79c.31a38d77@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060523072017.030d1940@pop.videotron.ca> At 18:04 05/22/2006, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I have always wondered, were other Nak products as good as their >cassette decks? So with that in mind, anyone here using the ST-7 >tuner? Any experiences to share and what about its sound quality? I >am thinking of getting one, but am not sure about the sound quality, >features, ease of use, owner's manual and so on. Any info is much >appreciated! Thanks in advance...... > >Kelvin. ST-7 is a fine tuner and one of the better separate components Nakamichi has built over the years. To me, its best feature is the rather unique, in a digital tuner, manual tuning knob. No hit and miss or multiple presses of the typical UP and DOWN switches with this. Just grab and rotate the knob until you reach the desired frequency. I love it. The UP and DOWN switches are there too for Seek. Seek is extremely fast. When you reach either end of the band, the tuner unfortunately does not go automatically to the other end of the band to start over but instead expects you to reverse your Seek or manual tuning direction. ST-7 also features Schotz noise reduction which is certainly no substitute for a good signal but appears to be unobstrusive enough that I leave it on at all time. ST-7 also features an AM band, a feature many high end tuners lack. You may store in memory any combination of 16 AM/FM stations in two banks of 8 stations. The tuner switches bands automatically based on the memory preset you select. You may not remote control the ST-7 unless you also own the CA-7 preamp. A DIN style connector in the back of the tuner links it to the preamp and the preamp's system remote control sends the signal to the tuner through the IR eye of the preamp. Parts of the digits in the display tend to gradually "burn" over time. This means that when the tuner has been used mostly on one station over the years, some segments will appear brighter than others when you change station and look at the display. You should expect this on pretty much any used ST-7. I had sort of always wanted an ST-7 but would not pay this much money for a tuner when it was available new. I got one used at a good price a couple of years ago and have been happy with it ever since. I hope this helps. Regards, -Marc From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 23 15:52:12 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:52:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts In-Reply-To: <44730652.5060904@peromarta.org> References: <4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com> <16200.212.78.164.66.1148031101.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060523085212.0082b160@earthlink.net> I should have that in my 600. Can you tell me the reference number, printed beside the inductor? E mail me at hitech77 at earthlink.net with your address and I'll send it. tom brucker At 02:55 PM 5/23/06 +0200, you wrote: >I need a 10.5mH variable inductor for my 550. (don't ask what happened ...) > >Any chance ? > >rgds, LP. > >Ron wrote: >> >> I have: a parts MR-1, partly cannibalized but still has many >> good parts. Let me know what you need. >> >> I need: one of the small knob covers and the cassette well >> door cover for a CR-5 or CR-7. If anyone has either or >> both parts, please let me know. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Wouter Heijke wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Tom (Brucker) came with the great idea to add a donation form on the >>> naks.com website so people can donate their (broken) Nak to us for use as >>> parts. >>> I've just added this page (http://www.naks.com/donate/) and hopefully >>> we'll get some response. I've added the country to the form so we can >>> find >>> someone on the list who can receive the donation, and pay for it's >>> shipping, pick it up or whatever. >>> >>> This way, maybe we could have parts like a CR-4 knob in 'stock' since >>> there are people who are willing to give away their Nak for free since it >>> is 'broken'... Like the BX-2 I picked up a few weeks ago for free... >>> fixed >>> it in minutes once i got one of Dean's tires! >>> >>> Let's hope good things will come out of this. >>> >>> Wouter >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From andrewspencer at eircom.net Tue May 23 16:04:28 2006 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy's E-Mail) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:04:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts References: <4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com><16200.212.78.164.66.1148031101.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl><4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com> <3.0.3.32.20060523085212.0082b160@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <007101c67e71$cec10bc0$6a01a8c0@Manepa> For anyone who missed my previous post, I am ideally looking for a Fader Up button for a CR5 (CR7) but any control button from either of these decks would do! Regards. Andy Dublin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Donate parts > I should have that in my 600. Can you tell me the reference number, > printed beside the inductor? E mail me at hitech77 at earthlink.net with your > address and I'll send it. > > > tom brucker > > At 02:55 PM 5/23/06 +0200, you wrote: > >I need a 10.5mH variable inductor for my 550. (don't ask what happened ...) > > > >Any chance ? > > > >rgds, LP. > > > >Ron wrote: > >> > >> I have: a parts MR-1, partly cannibalized but still has many > >> good parts. Let me know what you need. > >> > >> I need: one of the small knob covers and the cassette well > >> door cover for a CR-5 or CR-7. If anyone has either or > >> both parts, please let me know. > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> > >> > >> Wouter Heijke wrote: > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> Tom (Brucker) came with the great idea to add a donation form on the > >>> naks.com website so people can donate their (broken) Nak to us for use as > >>> parts. > >>> I've just added this page (http://www.naks.com/donate/) and hopefully > >>> we'll get some response. I've added the country to the form so we can > >>> find > >>> someone on the list who can receive the donation, and pay for it's > >>> shipping, pick it up or whatever. > >>> > >>> This way, maybe we could have parts like a CR-4 knob in 'stock' since > >>> there are people who are willing to give away their Nak for free since it > >>> is 'broken'... Like the BX-2 I picked up a few weeks ago for free... > >>> fixed > >>> it in minutes once i got one of Dean's tires! > >>> > >>> Let's hope good things will come out of this. > >>> > >>> Wouter > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From lenaw at flash.net Tue May 23 16:46:45 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts ( 660/670ZX ) In-Reply-To: <007101c67e71$cec10bc0$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: <20060523144645.29776.qmail@web80208.mail.yahoo.com> Looking for the VU meters on a 660/670ZX. Thanks. Regards, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue May 23 16:57:01 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:57:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060523085212.0082b160@earthlink.net> References: <4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com> <16200.212.78.164.66.1148031101.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com> <3.0.3.32.20060523085212.0082b160@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <447322BD.50301@peromarta.org> Tom, your ISP blocks my dynamic IP. I have to go trough nalktalk. Sorry. As per 550 service manual, part number is 0B03859A, L104 and L204 (Bias trap coil). Same part in the 600 deck, is : L104 and L204 too (bias trap coil)!! Is this info good enough? Best rgds, LP. Hi Tech wrote: > I should have that in my 600. Can you tell me the reference number, > printed beside the inductor? E mail me at hitech77 at earthlink.net with your > address and I'll send it. > > > tom brucker > From dam509 at zonnet.nl Tue May 23 17:26:37 2006 From: dam509 at zonnet.nl (Rudy Dam) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:26:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What about the ST-7 tuner? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060523152639.ED37B61CE9@smtp8.wanadoo.nl> Hello Kelvin, You can find some more information about the st 7 at the next link http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/reviewsA-N.html#nakamichi http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/shootouts.html#ST-7 Rudy Dam The Netherlands -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens winnie pooh Verzonden: dinsdag 23 mei 2006 0:05 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] What about the ST-7 tuner? Hi all, I have always wondered, were other Nak products as good as their cassette decks? So with that in mind, anyone here using the ST-7 tuner? Any experiences to share and what about its sound quality? I am thinking of getting one, but am not sure about the sound quality, features, ease of use, owner's manual and so on. Any info is much appreciated! Thanks in advance...... Kelvin. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Tue May 23 16:58:31 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:58:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] donate / swap parts Message-ID: <44732317.5010406@cox.net> I'm looking for two small knobs for timer / mpx switches which fit the ZX-7 and ZX-9. These are the small rotary switches on the top right of the front panel. Two of mine are broken. It's simply a cosmetic issue; I don't use the timer or mpx functions. I have a 680ZX to part out. It's issue is with the fluorescent VU meters, their circuitry is pretty messed up and I've already put too much time into it. This is a unit I picked up cheap and I've decided it's not worth it to me to fix. The transport goes through the motions of working but I've not done a performance check on it. From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 23 17:58:22 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:58:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassette decks? In-Reply-To: <006101c67e5b$3d3bf0e0$0201a8c0@lan> References: <006101c67e5b$3d3bf0e0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <4473311E.5060904@rcn.com> I would second that for their early receivers. I have an RE-2 receiver and it's amazingly good for it's going price. -- Ron Martin Short wrote: > Certainly for their early amplification, a categoric YES. Unfortunately, > I have had no significant exposure to the later product ranges, so > cannot comment on the ST-7 etc.. > > The 610/620 combination is an awesome piece of kit.. under-rated and > magnificent sound for the price. I would dearly like to get another 610 > to double my tape handling capacity! > > I had the opportunity in the early 90's when working in Hi Fi retail, to > compare my 610/620 to the likes of Musical Fidelity, SONY ES > (boring/dull BTW), the best of local ( Perreaux/Plinius etc), Carver, > Marantz, and a few others whom I forget, with the idea of a possible > upgrade in mind. To cut a long story short I still have them and use > them regularly. It wasn't a question of price as staff rates were > exceptionaly reasonable, but a question of enjoyment. .. music through > the 610/620 and the Audax's ( audaxii?) I was using at the time suited > me better. Through my current Wharfedale EVO 40's they sound even better. > The 610 has one of the best phono stages I have ever encountered, and > you get two of them. The excess of switching doesn't seem to get in the > way, though the purists would have to say it has to!! > What else can you plug in two turntables, 3 naks, a tuner, and a CD > player easily that still sounds credible? not forgetting the mic's. > I have friends who claim the phono stage in the 410 is sweeter than the > 610, but that is a moot point for me. Nakamichi System One's still seem > to command good dollars and a good ebay 'fight', which gives you an > indication of their " worth". ( a relative term admittedly) > > One other Nakamichi amplification set up I was familiar with that > sounded greater than the sum, was assembled by a close friend, and used > a 610 feeding a 420 and 620 via the nakamichi black box electronic > cross- over into a pair of very very very large JBL studio monitors. > > In summary, the 410/420 and 610/620 are great sound for the $$ if can > get good ones. > > Martin From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 23 18:02:44 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:02:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts In-Reply-To: <007101c67e71$cec10bc0$6a01a8c0@Manepa> References: <4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com><16200.212.78.164.66.1148031101.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl><4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com> <3.0.3.32.20060523085212.0082b160@earthlink.net> <007101c67e71$cec10bc0$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Message-ID: <44733224.70405@rcn.com> Andy, I am not sure I commented on this before -- if so, please excuse the repeat. The buttons in the CR-5/CR-7 were not meant to be individually replaced. They are glued inside the front plate and are not easily removed for replacement. -- Ron Andy's E-Mail wrote: > For anyone who missed my previous post, I am ideally looking for a Fader Up > button for a CR5 (CR7) but any control button from either of these decks > would do! > > Regards. > > Andy > Dublin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hi Tech" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Donate parts > > >> I should have that in my 600. Can you tell me the reference number, >> printed beside the inductor? E mail me at hitech77 at earthlink.net with your >> address and I'll send it. >> >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 02:55 PM 5/23/06 +0200, you wrote: >>> I need a 10.5mH variable inductor for my 550. (don't ask what happened > ...) >>> Any chance ? >>> >>> rgds, LP. >>> >>> Ron wrote: >>>> I have: a parts MR-1, partly cannibalized but still has many >>>> good parts. Let me know what you need. >>>> >>>> I need: one of the small knob covers and the cassette well >>>> door cover for a CR-5 or CR-7. If anyone has either or >>>> both parts, please let me know. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wouter Heijke wrote: >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Tom (Brucker) came with the great idea to add a donation form on the >>>>> naks.com website so people can donate their (broken) Nak to us for use > as >>>>> parts. >>>>> I've just added this page (http://www.naks.com/donate/) and hopefully >>>>> we'll get some response. I've added the country to the form so we can >>>>> find >>>>> someone on the list who can receive the donation, and pay for it's >>>>> shipping, pick it up or whatever. >>>>> >>>>> This way, maybe we could have parts like a CR-4 knob in 'stock' since >>>>> there are people who are willing to give away their Nak for free since > it >>>>> is 'broken'... Like the BX-2 I picked up a few weeks ago for free... >>>>> fixed >>>>> it in minutes once i got one of Dean's tires! >>>>> >>>>> Let's hope good things will come out of this. >>>>> >>>>> Wouter >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue May 23 18:52:22 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:52:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] donate / swap parts In-Reply-To: <44732317.5010406@cox.net> References: <44732317.5010406@cox.net> Message-ID: <44733DC6.2060206@xs4all.nl> Well there is a zx-9 that was just offered as a parts unit... BTW, the knobs are slightly different, the zx-7 has a red marking and the zx-9 a yellowish marking on it... but you knew that I suppose. Wouter Tim Barrett wrote: > I'm looking for two small knobs for timer / mpx switches which fit the > ZX-7 and ZX-9. These are the small rotary switches on the top right > of the front panel. Two of mine are broken. It's simply a cosmetic > issue; I don't use the timer or mpx functions. > > I have a 680ZX to part out. It's issue is with the fluorescent VU > meters, their circuitry is pretty messed up and I've already put too > much time into it. This is a unit I picked up cheap and I've decided > it's not worth it to me to fix. The transport goes through the > motions of working but I've not done a performance check on it. > From timbarrett at cox.net Tue May 23 18:59:12 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:59:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] donate / swap parts In-Reply-To: <44733DC6.2060206@xs4all.nl> References: <44732317.5010406@cox.net> <44733DC6.2060206@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <44733F60.8070205@cox.net> actually, it's been over 20 years since I've seen a ZX-9 so I'd forgotten about the color difference. I've already written to the owner of the ZX-9 but haven't heard back from her. Wouter Heijke wrote: > Well there is a zx-9 that was just offered as a parts unit... > BTW, the knobs are slightly different, the zx-7 has a red marking and > the zx-9 a yellowish marking on it... but you knew that I suppose. > > Wouter > > Tim Barrett wrote: >> I'm looking for two small knobs for timer / mpx switches which fit >> the ZX-7 and ZX-9. These are the small rotary switches on the top >> right of the front panel. Two of mine are broken. It's simply a >> cosmetic issue; I don't use the timer or mpx functions. >> >> I have a 680ZX to part out. It's issue is with the fluorescent VU >> meters, their circuitry is pretty messed up and I've already put too >> much time into it. This is a unit I picked up cheap and I've >> decided it's not worth it to me to fix. The transport goes through >> the motions of working but I've not done a performance check on it. >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From timbarrett at cox.net Tue May 23 19:00:58 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:00:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] donate / swap parts In-Reply-To: <44733DC6.2060206@xs4all.nl> References: <44732317.5010406@cox.net> <44733DC6.2060206@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <44733FCA.30102@cox.net> Chances are good that I could use the parts of my working ZX-7 to fix the ZX-9. The parts of the ZX-9 which are different than the 7 generally don't fail, and if they do I've a good chance of fixing them. And then I'd have a ZX-7 to part out. Wouter Heijke wrote: > Well there is a zx-9 that was just offered as a parts unit... > BTW, the knobs are slightly different, the zx-7 has a red marking and > the zx-9 a yellowish marking on it... but you knew that I suppose. > > Wouter > > Tim Barrett wrote: >> I'm looking for two small knobs for timer / mpx switches which fit >> the ZX-7 and ZX-9. These are the small rotary switches on the top >> right of the front panel. Two of mine are broken. It's simply a >> cosmetic issue; I don't use the timer or mpx functions. >> >> I have a 680ZX to part out. It's issue is with the fluorescent VU >> meters, their circuitry is pretty messed up and I've already put too >> much time into it. This is a unit I picked up cheap and I've >> decided it's not worth it to me to fix. The transport goes through >> the motions of working but I've not done a performance check on it. >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From paul_siuc at yahoo.com Tue May 23 22:54:24 2006 From: paul_siuc at yahoo.com (a rl) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] replacement OC08096C capstan drive belt Message-ID: <20060523205424.37770.qmail@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Thanks to the tips off naktalk, I've settled on a new OC08096C capstan drive belt as the solution for my 480Z's audio drop-out problem. I left a phone message with www.nakusa.com and have yet to get a reply. Does it take them a while to respond to phone queries? Or, does anyone on this list sell the original replacement capstan drive belts? If so, please let me know... Thanks again... p __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue May 23 23:44:37 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:44:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: <20060511225427.72873.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060511225427.72873.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44738245.5020601@xs4all.nl> Hi Scott, Did you try the FRM9.2 belt? I'm curious about the results and I suppose others are too! Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm finishing up the refurb of my ZX-7. I've replaced the control > belt with SCQ4.8, shut-off belt with SCY9.0 and idler tire with one > from Dean. Original pinch rollers look good after 7 swab with > Intraclean S711. This morning I got a FRM9.2 belt for the capstan, > but, before I replace that one I'm going to check the wow & flutter > before and again after to see if the FRM9.2 belt is indeed > compatible. On my web site > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html I say that this > belt needs to be spot on and highly recommend that the original > OC08096C belt be used or increased wow & flutter will result. > > Has anyone tried this belt and done measurements before and after? > > BTW - wow & flutter measurements will be taken with a genuine Nak > test tape and a Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer. > > From N4229K at aol.com Wed May 24 00:08:42 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:08:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Need set of belts for a Dragon Message-ID: <44a.179c2e7.31a4e1ea@aol.com> Hi gang I need to buy a set of belts for a friend's Dragon. Can anyone tell me the PRB numbers and/or Nak numbers. I have a Dragon but have never worked on one so I am at a loss in this case. I know with the wealth of knowledge out there this order should be filled fast. LOL I do have the tire, of course. As a side note I am working with PRB on some sizes they don't have. SO speak up if you need something made for a Nak and pleas give dimensions. Hopefully in the near future I will stock all belts for certain lines of Naks. (probably everything before 1988ish) Regards to all, Dean Sanborn PS for those who have asked I should be in my new home by July. FINALLY. Also I have some JAG XKE photos for the XKE enthusiast (forgot name) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue May 23 23:57:32 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:57:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What about the ST-7 tuner? In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060523072017.030d1940@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: Hi Mark, Scott and everyone else for the replies, Sorry if I went off topic a bit with the ST-7 enquiry and thanks to Wouter for tolerating it :-) Both Mark and Scott have said that the sensitivity is not that great but sound quality is on a par with our beloved Nak cassette decks. Actually, one of the reasons why i am after a ST-7 is that it does match with my CR-7 cassette deck and I like the looks of the CR series. However, i think as Marc has pointed out, the ST-7 is not directly remote controllable. Which reminds me, what happened to the remote control project that was discussed here before? The one to allow wireless IR control of our Nak decks that uses the RM200/RM5 wired remotes? Scott, I don't think I will find such a good bargain as yours, nor will I have the tech knowhow to troubleshoot. Does anyone know where I can download a copy of the ST-7 owners manual to have a look through before I commit myself to gettng one? From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed May 24 00:56:01 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:56:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassette decks? In-Reply-To: <006101c67e5b$3d3bf0e0$0201a8c0@lan> References: <006101c67e5b$3d3bf0e0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <44739301.6090405@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Martin, Martin Short wrote: > Certainly for their early amplification, a categoric YES. Unfortunately, > I have had no significant exposure to the later product ranges, so > cannot comment on the ST-7 etc.. > > The 610/620 combination is an awesome piece of kit.. under-rated and > magnificent sound for the price. I would dearly like to get another 610 > to double my tape handling capacity! I don't think I could live without my Nak 610! Besides its excellent mic amps -- which I use often -- it has a convenient oscillator and a basic correlator. It's my monitor console, correlator, recorder session alignment aid, and five mic amps plus a reference phono stage all in one handy package. The mic amps will hold their own with the best studio units, seriously. I made a set of transformers for mine to let them handle balanced lines and then added a phantom power module. Actually recorded record album masters with its mic amps. "Big label" sound, cool 1970s styling, what more can a guy want? It reminds me of a Fairchild console from its sound and it looks like a stylized Gates Stereo Statesman. I've rebuilt the 610 twice I've used it so heavily! Always wanted a 620 amp; I use my 610 with a Crown D75. Don't snigger, the combo sounds very clean and detailed. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed May 24 07:33:02 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 05:33:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt Message-ID: Hi! Me too...if..it's the same that Dragon's use or needs? Thanks, ALEX! >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt >Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:44:37 +0200 > >Hi Scott, > >Did you try the FRM9.2 belt? >I'm curious about the results and I suppose others are too! > >Wouter > >Scott Johnson wrote: >>Hi guys, >> >>I'm finishing up the refurb of my ZX-7. I've replaced the control >>belt with SCQ4.8, shut-off belt with SCY9.0 and idler tire with one >>from Dean. Original pinch rollers look good after 7 swab with >>Intraclean S711. This morning I got a FRM9.2 belt for the capstan, >>but, before I replace that one I'm going to check the wow & flutter >>before and again after to see if the FRM9.2 belt is indeed >>compatible. On my web site >>http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html I say that this >>belt needs to be spot on and highly recommend that the original >>OC08096C belt be used or increased wow & flutter will result. >> >>Has anyone tried this belt and done measurements before and after? >> >>BTW - wow & flutter measurements will be taken with a genuine Nak >>test tape and a Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer. >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Wed May 24 10:10:27 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 01:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060524081027.4FDF726FAE@smtp.amb.org> Alex Cozac writes: > Hi! > > Me too...if..it's the same that Dragon's use or needs? > > Thanks, > > ALEX! The Dragon has no capstan belt -- it has a direct drive motor for each capstan. -Ti From andrewspencer at eircom.net Wed May 24 10:26:36 2006 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy Spencer) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:26:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Donate parts References: <4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com><16200.212.78.164.66.1148031101.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl><4472FF58.3090104@rcn.com> <3.0.3.32.20060523085212.0082b160@earthlink.net><007101c67e71$cec10bc0$6a01a8c0@Manepa> <44733224.70405@rcn.com> Message-ID: <006e01c67f0b$c7175240$6a01a8c0@Manepa> Ron Thanks for your response. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my post, when I received the deck both fader buttons had come away from the button mechanism inside the Deck as per the enclosed photo. I found the left hand button and simply stuck it back on with super glue and it is fine. So its just the front bit of the button I need to glue back on! Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Donate parts > Andy, > > I am not sure I commented on this before -- if so, please > excuse the repeat. The buttons in the CR-5/CR-7 were not > meant to be individually replaced. They are glued inside > the front plate and are not easily removed for replacement. > > -- Ron > > > Andy's E-Mail wrote: > > For anyone who missed my previous post, I am ideally looking for a Fader Up > > button for a CR5 (CR7) but any control button from either of these decks > > would do! > > > > Regards. > > > > Andy > > Dublin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hi Tech" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Donate parts > > > > > >> I should have that in my 600. Can you tell me the reference number, > >> printed beside the inductor? E mail me at hitech77 at earthlink.net with your > >> address and I'll send it. > >> > >> > >> tom brucker > >> > >> At 02:55 PM 5/23/06 +0200, you wrote: > >>> I need a 10.5mH variable inductor for my 550. (don't ask what happened > > ...) > >>> Any chance ? > >>> > >>> rgds, LP. > >>> > >>> Ron wrote: > >>>> I have: a parts MR-1, partly cannibalized but still has many > >>>> good parts. Let me know what you need. > >>>> > >>>> I need: one of the small knob covers and the cassette well > >>>> door cover for a CR-5 or CR-7. If anyone has either or > >>>> both parts, please let me know. > >>>> > >>>> -- Ron > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Wouter Heijke wrote: > >>>>> Hi All, > >>>>> > >>>>> Tom (Brucker) came with the great idea to add a donation form on the > >>>>> naks.com website so people can donate their (broken) Nak to us for use > > as > >>>>> parts. > >>>>> I've just added this page (http://www.naks.com/donate/) and hopefully > >>>>> we'll get some response. I've added the country to the form so we can > >>>>> find > >>>>> someone on the list who can receive the donation, and pay for it's > >>>>> shipping, pick it up or whatever. > >>>>> > >>>>> This way, maybe we could have parts like a CR-4 knob in 'stock' since > >>>>> there are people who are willing to give away their Nak for free since > > it > >>>>> is 'broken'... Like the BX-2 I picked up a few weeks ago for free... > >>>>> fixed > >>>>> it in minutes once i got one of Dean's tires! > >>>>> > >>>>> Let's hope good things will come out of this. > >>>>> > >>>>> Wouter > >>>> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>>> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>> Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Tom Brucker CSM > >> Hi Tech Service > >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > >> Nashville, TN 37211 > >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CR5 Reduced.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 40048 bytes Desc: not available URL: From N4229K at aol.com Wed May 24 11:55:51 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 05:55:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belts for a 700II - Error on Dragon Message-ID: <40b.2f23c67.31a587a7@aol.com> SORRY about my last post as my friend has 2 decks and the deck he wants the belts for id his 700II. So the same question as below but for a 700II and I do not have a tire! Hi gang I need to buy a set of belts for a friend's Dragon. Can anyone tell me the PRB numbers and/or Nak numbers. I have a Dragon but have never worked on one so I am at a loss in this case. I know with the wealth of knowledge out there this order should be filled fast. LOL I do have the tire, of course. As a side note I am working with PRB on some sizes they don't have. SO speak up if you need something made for a Nak and pleas give dimensions. Hopefully in the near future I will stock all belts for certain lines of Naks. (probably everything before 1988ish) Regards to all, Dean Sanborn PS for those who have asked I should be in my new home by July. FINALLY. Also I have some JAG XKE photos for the XKE enthusiast (forgot name) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Wed May 24 12:00:52 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 06:00:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Dragon/700II wants belts for both! Message-ID: <405.307dc66.31a588d4@aol.com> Change 3 I just spoke with him and wants belts etc. for both. So I was half right (and half wrong) LOL Dean SORRY about my last post as my friend has 2 decks and the deck he wants the belts for id his 700II. So the same question as below but for a 700II and I do not have a tire! Hi gang I need to buy a set of belts for a friend's Dragon. Can anyone tell me the PRB numbers and/or Nak numbers. I have a Dragon but have never worked on one so I am at a loss in this case. I know with the wealth of knowledge out there this order should be filled fast. LOL I do have the tire, of course. As a side note I am working with PRB on some sizes they don't have. SO speak up if you need something made for a Nak and pleas give dimensions. Hopefully in the near future I will stock all belts for certain lines of Naks. (probably everything before 1988ish) Regards to all, Dean Sanborn PS for those who have asked I should be in my new home by July. FINALLY. Also I have some JAG XKE photos for the XKE enthusiast (forgot name) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed May 24 12:27:42 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:27:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What about the ST-7 tuner? References: Message-ID: <00ee01c67f1c$b2828d70$61d417c4@home> I have two--they give me great pleasure and for my ear superior reproduction to any oyher Tuners i have listened to.Radio sound however is very dependent(more sp than usual) onthe quality and specifics of the source. walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:04 AM Subject: [naktalk] What about the ST-7 tuner? > > Hi all, > > I have always wondered, were other Nak products as good as their cassette > decks? So with that in mind, anyone here using the ST-7 tuner? Any > experiences to share and what about its sound quality? I am thinking of > getting one, but am not sure about the sound quality, features, ease of > use, owner's manual and so on. Any info is much appreciated! Thanks in > advance...... > > Kelvin. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed May 24 16:22:41 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:22:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt Message-ID: Hi Ti! Yes I forgot...I refer to "Cam" belt! Sorry, so such Capstan belt it's NO necessary! OK...I'm very glad! Be well! ALEX! >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 01:10:27 -0700 (PDT) > >Alex Cozac writes: > > Hi! > > > > Me too...if..it's the same that Dragon's use or needs? > > > > Thanks, > > > > ALEX! > >The Dragon has no capstan belt -- it has a direct drive motor >for each capstan. > >-Ti > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 24 16:23:40 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:23:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassette decks? In-Reply-To: <4473311E.5060904@rcn.com> References: <006101c67e5b$3d3bf0e0$0201a8c0@lan> <006101c67e5b$3d3bf0e0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060524092340.0082e520@earthlink.net> Nakamichi bears the marks of an engineering driven company, in contrast to marketing driven mainstream companies. It seem every product they built had some sort of twist! Cassettes that conserved batteries (550), interfaced with another company's product (250+ADS 2002), mixer preamp (610) , symmetrical current gain amplifier with single point connection (620, 420), tuner with really complex IF (630), lo profile 100 watt receiver (730), remarkable car stereo (TD1200, TD800), correction for off center lp holes (Dragon CT). It just goes on and on. Even the music bank mechanism was "better" mechanically than other cd changers at the time. tom brucker At 11:58 AM 5/23/06 -0400, Ron wrote: > >I would second that for their early receivers. I have an >RE-2 receiver and it's amazingly good for it's going price. > >-- Ron > > > >Martin Short wrote: >> Certainly for their early amplification, a categoric YES. Unfortunately, >> I have had no significant exposure to the later product ranges, so >> cannot comment on the ST-7 etc.. >> >> The 610/620 combination is an awesome piece of kit.. under-rated and >> magnificent sound for the price. I would dearly like to get another 610 >> to double my tape handling capacity! >> >> I had the opportunity in the early 90's when working in Hi Fi retail, to >> compare my 610/620 to the likes of Musical Fidelity, SONY ES >> (boring/dull BTW), the best of local ( Perreaux/Plinius etc), Carver, >> Marantz, and a few others whom I forget, with the idea of a possible >> upgrade in mind. To cut a long story short I still have them and use >> them regularly. It wasn't a question of price as staff rates were >> exceptionaly reasonable, but a question of enjoyment. .. music through >> the 610/620 and the Audax's ( audaxii?) I was using at the time suited >> me better. Through my current Wharfedale EVO 40's they sound even better. >> The 610 has one of the best phono stages I have ever encountered, and >> you get two of them. The excess of switching doesn't seem to get in the >> way, though the purists would have to say it has to!! >> What else can you plug in two turntables, 3 naks, a tuner, and a CD >> player easily that still sounds credible? not forgetting the mic's. >> I have friends who claim the phono stage in the 410 is sweeter than the >> 610, but that is a moot point for me. Nakamichi System One's still seem >> to command good dollars and a good ebay 'fight', which gives you an >> indication of their " worth". ( a relative term admittedly) >> >> One other Nakamichi amplification set up I was familiar with that >> sounded greater than the sum, was assembled by a close friend, and used >> a 610 feeding a 420 and 620 via the nakamichi black box electronic >> cross- over into a pair of very very very large JBL studio monitors. >> >> In summary, the 410/420 and 610/620 are great sound for the $$ if can >> get good ones. >> >> Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed May 24 20:53:55 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:53:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassette decks? Message-ID: > I had the opportunity in the early 90's when working in Hi Fi > retail, to compare my 610/620 to the likes of Musical Fidelity, > SONY ES (boring/dull BTW), the best of local ( Perreaux/Plinius > etc), Carver, Marantz, and a few others whom I forget, with the > idea of a possible upgrade in mind. To cut a long story short I > still have them and use them regularly. It wasn't a question of > price as staff rates were exceptionaly reasonable, but a question > of enjoyment. .. music through the 610/620 and the Audax's > ( audaxii?) I was using at the time suited me better. Through my > current Wharfedale EVO 40's they sound even better. > While not arguing with the actual point of this comparison, I think it seems a little unfair as you're kind of comparing late '70s/early '80s stuff with early '90s stuff, and (FWIW) isn't the conventional wisdom that all the audio manufactures went on the cost-cutting binges in the mid to late '80s so none of the "major" manufacturers like the ones you mention) had much to offer in the early '90s. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed May 24 21:00:25 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:00:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] One Channel Out on RX303 Message-ID: I never thought it would happen to me. Nak troubles are for other people.Well, today I switched on My Nakamichi RX303, and one channel is out.Every other mechanical function works as it should, except that one channel is out. Can anyone give me an idea of what that could be? I might open it up and see if the input connectors are ok. I doubt it is connections. I am not technically proficient, so I guess its the end of the road for this baby, unless I wanna make it a parts unit. This occured right after I gently slammed the non-working door on one of the CD wells of my Marantz CDR500 and got it working again, so the law of averages cant be beat-something was due to break I guess. -- From luis at peromarta.org Wed May 24 21:28:29 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:28:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] One Channel Out on RX303 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4474B3DD.4020200@peromarta.org> Do you see VU meter activity? Is the affected channel very low, or no signal whatsoever? If it's a 3 head machine, and you have a monitor switch, do you get external signal when you switch to source? rgds, LP. jerryjg wrote: > I never thought it would happen to me. Nak troubles are for other > people.Well, today I switched on My Nakamichi RX303, and one channel is > out.Every other mechanical function works as it should, except that one > channel is out. Can anyone give me an idea of what that could be? I > might open it up and see if the input connectors are ok. I doubt it is > connections. I am not technically proficient, so I guess its the end of > the road for this baby, unless I wanna make it a parts unit. This > occured right after I gently slammed the non-working door on one of the > CD wells of my Marantz CDR500 and got it working again, so the law of > averages cant be beat-something was due to break I guess. > > -- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 24 21:32:51 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:32:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] One Channel Out on RX303 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4474B4E3.5010406@rcn.com> jerryjg wrote: > I never thought it would happen to me. Nak troubles are for other > people.Well, today I switched on My Nakamichi RX303, and one channel is > out.Every other mechanical function works as it should, except that one > channel is out. Can anyone give me an idea of what that could be? I > might open it up and see if the input connectors are ok. I doubt it is > connections. I am not technically proficient, so I guess its the end of > the road for this baby, unless I wanna make it a parts unit. This > occured right after I gently slammed the non-working door on one of the > CD wells of my Marantz CDR500 and got it working again, so the law of > averages cant be beat-something was due to break I guess. > Try to reverse the channels at the deck output connectors. If the left channel is still out I would suspect the cables. Then, try to record. Does the deck record both channels? Even if the problem is with the deck, I wouldn't part it out as yet. In all probability, its an electrical problem, which may be easy to fix. - Ron From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 24 22:37:23 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:37:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] One Channel Out on RX303 In-Reply-To: <4474B4E3.5010406@rcn.com> Message-ID: Also worth checking is this .... The other week my ZX9 stopped replaying out of one channel. I suspected a cable. Nope! I tried recording - the lights all had bounced around nicely as if recording. Then it worked! It seems I have a slightly dodgy connection on the Play/Record switch. Try that. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 24 May 2006 20:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] One Channel Out on RX303 jerryjg wrote: > I never thought it would happen to me. Nak troubles are for other > people.Well, today I switched on My Nakamichi RX303, and one channel is > out.Every other mechanical function works as it should, except that one > channel is out. Can anyone give me an idea of what that could be? I > might open it up and see if the input connectors are ok. I doubt it is > connections. I am not technically proficient, so I guess its the end of > the road for this baby, unless I wanna make it a parts unit. This > occured right after I gently slammed the non-working door on one of the > CD wells of my Marantz CDR500 and got it working again, so the law of > averages cant be beat-something was due to break I guess. > From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Thu May 25 00:43:15 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:43:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] One Channel Out on RX303 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank You! It worked, and now I'm happy as a clam at high tide! How does one clean those dirty contacts/switches? Can you Just open the case and dose the switches with "Caig Deoxit"? I cant recall whether "Deoxit " is safe on plastic. On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:37:23 -0500, Nelson wrote: > Also worth checking is this .... The other week my ZX9 stopped > replaying > out of one channel. I suspected a cable. Nope! I tried recording - the > lights all had bounced around nicely as if recording. Then it worked! > It > seems I have a slightly dodgy connection on the Play/Record switch. Try > that. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 24 May 2006 20:33 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] One Channel Out on RX303 > > > jerryjg wrote: >> I never thought it would happen to me. Nak troubles are for other >> people.Well, today I switched on My Nakamichi RX303, and one channel is >> out.Every other mechanical function works as it should, except that one >> channel is out. Can anyone give me an idea of what that could be? I >> might open it up and see if the input connectors are ok. I doubt it is >> connections. I am not technically proficient, so I guess its the end of >> the road for this baby, unless I wanna make it a parts unit. This >> occured right after I gently slammed the non-working door on one of the >> CD wells of my Marantz CDR500 and got it working again, so the law of >> averages cant be beat-something was due to break I guess. >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu May 25 06:24:39 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:24:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Belts for a 700II - Error on Dragon Message-ID: > SORRY about my last post as my friend has 2 decks and the deck he > wants the > belts for id his 700II. So the same question as below but for a > 700II and I > do not have a tire! > I thought there were 4, but apparently there are 5 belts (and no tires —not sure when you said you don't have a tire if you were saying just that or that you thought there was a tire and you didn't have it). The Nak numbers are: Capstan belt (big and flat): 0c05104a Center drive belt (square profile): 0c05699a Shutoff belt: 0c05465b Counter A belt: 0c05333a Counter B belt: 0c05334a I didn't remember there being 2 counter belts. but now that I look at the diagram it looks like it uses 2 to reverse directions or something weird like that. As I recall, the center drive belt is the one that breaks the most often. The others of course stretch over time. I'm sure I can come up with at least a used capstan belt if you would like it; not sure about the others. It's probably obvious but you need at least the first 3 to make the deck at least marginally working (the other two, as the name suggests, just drive the tape counter).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu May 25 12:38:22 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:38:22 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassette decks. episode XXIV Message-ID: <001b01c67fe7$591725e0$0201a8c0@lan> Kimo... "While not arguing with the actual point of this comparison, I think it seems a little unfair as you're kind of comparing late '70s/early '80s stuff with early '90s stuff, and (FWIW) isn't the conventional wisdom that all the audio manufactures went on the cost-cutting binges in the mid to late '80s so none of the "major" manufacturers like the ones you mention) had much to offer in the early '90s." Well, all I can say is re-read my post. I don't quite follow your logic. Out of all the brands I mentioned only Sony, Marantz, and possibly Carver could be considered "major" manufacturers. We are not talking Hitachi, later model Akai's, Sansui's etc some of which were definitely made to a price and little better than junk. I doubt you would be familiar with Perreaux or Plinius, and they were (are) top of the range indigenous brands, which in terms of production volume would hardly even register on a global scale!!. SONY ES and Carver is hardly cheapo stuff, and nor is Musical Fidelity..the latter hardly a 'major' manufacturer to boot. I forgot to mention ARCAM and Audio Research.. though the latter was way way beyond my budget. All products I compared were highly rated internationally. My point was that I was looking to upgrade my mid 70's 610/620, because I could, thought that it might be time ( as technology moves on and supposedly 'improves') , and I had ready access to the BEST gear readily available in NZ. Working in one of Wellington's main Hi Fi shops was a distinct advantage. Also, "Fairness" has nothing to do with it!!.. it was my money!. Some Audiophiles would also say that it was 'unfair' comparing my 'old' mid 70's 610/620 to the cream of the early'90's. It didn't take me long to convince me to stay put...the cost of improving on the 610/620 wasn't worth paying ... so I bought a new CD player instead...and I still grin when listening to the 610/620 combo, be it LP, Nak, or CD source, it is THAT enjoyable, and that is what it is all about. I would like to think that there was plenty on offer from good major manufacturers in the early '90's, especially mainstream one's like Technics. Sorry if this seems to be a bit of a 'bark'.. it isn't mean't to be. Cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu May 25 16:18:35 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:18:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl again Message-ID: <4475BCBB.5080603@peromarta.org> Dear all, I am putting together a site about the life and death of the 1000ZXL. Will update as time permits, but I'd be quite happy if you could contribute with text, ideas or pics. http://peromarta.org/naks/1000ZXL.html Inputs and feedback most welcome. Best rgds, LP. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu May 25 17:28:22 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?windows-1252?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:28:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl again In-Reply-To: <4475BCBB.5080603@peromarta.org> References: <4475BCBB.5080603@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <4475CD16.2060806@yahoo.ca> Well, you could suggest OPA2134 or OPA2228 as opamps. Do the CMOS switches have letters in their name like the TTL version (74LSxx, 74ACTxx, etc.)? If it's the case, you may have to keep the same model number if you can and the same brand. But that's only if they're used in circuits running at fast speeds, because the response time can vary between each chips. Few typos : Recor EQ board CAPs and ICs replacement list: Record is missing a d. It's polypropylene, not PolyPropilene. IC’s in the first paragraph - > ICs Title : Componet -> Component Luis Peromarta a écrit : > Dear all, > > I am putting together a site about the life and death of the 1000ZXL. > > Will update as time permits, but I'd be quite happy if you could > contribute with text, ideas or pics. > > http://peromarta.org/naks/1000ZXL.html > > Inputs and feedback most welcome. > > Best rgds, LP. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu May 25 21:25:39 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:25:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassette decks. episode XXIV Message-ID: <36321987-3099-4337-9528-7F56D9D1A750@alumni.caltech.edu> I'm not sure; maybe it's me that wasn't clear. What I was trying to address was that the original question was about Nak non-cassette products, which to me was a question about brand (e.g., is a Nak amp as good as, say, a Marantz one). I agree that of the manufacturers you listed I at least know of the ones you listed as fitting into my "majo90 r" category (Sony, Marantz, Carver) and I don't know anything about the other two [local] ones. What I thought I read from your post was that "the 197x Nak 610 compared favorably against the 199x [Marantz, Sony, etc.]." The point I was trying to make was that I agree with that statement, but I wanted to supply a missing statement to the effect of "the 197x [Marantz, Sony, etc.]" compares favorabily against the 199x [Marantz, Sony, etc.]." Speaking in general terms, of course. It just comes across to me that the reason your 197x Nak compares favorably to the 199x [name your brand] is more because it was built in 197x than because it's a Nak. Your comment about not knowing their later stuff party hints at that being a suspicion you might hold. Thus, I thought the question asked about brand differentials whereas I thought your comparison was more of an explanation of time differentials. As you, I also don't intend to come across short or with a bark, so I apologize if that comes through.-kby From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 25 23:47:20 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:47:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] replacement OC08096C capstan drive belt In-Reply-To: <20060523205424.37770.qmail@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060525164720.0082c100@earthlink.net> FRM 9.2 is the Projector recorder belt substitute. I can't imagine how a capstan belt would cause audio drop out. A more likely cause is a tape travel guide alignment, or excessive take up torque / insufficient hold back tension. Perhaps a lengthier problem description will narrow the choices. the nakusa parts department will probably not call back. The few parts they have are for units built since 2000. ESL has the best supply of older parts. tom brucker At 01:54 PM 5/23/06 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > >Thanks to the tips off naktalk, I've settled on a new >OC08096C capstan drive belt as the solution for my >480Z's audio drop-out problem. I left a phone message >with www.nakusa.com and have yet to get a reply. Does >it take them a while to respond to phone queries? > >Or, does anyone on this list sell the original >replacement capstan drive belts? > >If so, please let me know... > >Thanks again... > >p > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 25 23:59:56 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:59:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassette decks.episode XXIV In-Reply-To: <36321987-3099-4337-9528-7F56D9D1A750@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060525165956.00824860@earthlink.net> Kimo, If what you are asking is if a Nakamichi 730 receiver is better than a Pioneer VSX 24, there is no answer. The products are for totally different uses. If you are comparing a 410 preamp to an Apt Holman or Hafler DH101 preamp, then there are a number of comparisons to be made. Your question is too broad to discuss Nakamichi vintage electronics vs. all other vintage electronics. I explained that almost every product had some unique engineering feature. In general, Nakamichi was very focused on excellent signal to noise, and lo distortion. Their specs typically were at the residual of our test equipment. I always caution that we do not listen to test tones or specs, we listen to music. There are a few vintage products that sound better than Nakamichi, and plenty that sound worse. In my opinion Nakamichis from 1997 were built to the same standards as 1987 and 1977, so for the history of the line, until 2002, they have consistent high performance. marantz in 1997are not related in any way to 1977 products. tom brucker At 12:25 PM 5/25/06 -0700, you wrote: >I'm not sure; maybe it's me that wasn't clear. > >What I was trying to address was that the original question was about >Nak non-cassette products, which to me was a question about brand (e.g., >is a Nak amp as good as, say, a Marantz one). I agree that of the >manufacturers you listed I at least know of the ones you listed as >fitting into my "majo90 r" >category (Sony, Marantz, Carver) and I don't know anything about the >other two [local] ones. > >What I thought I read from your post was that "the 197x Nak 610 >compared favorably against the 199x [Marantz, Sony, etc.]." > >The point I was trying to make was that I agree with that statement, >but I wanted to supply a missing statement to the effect of >"the 197x [Marantz, Sony, etc.]" compares favorabily against the 199x >[Marantz, Sony, etc.]." Speaking in general terms, of course. > >It just comes across to me that the reason your 197x Nak compares >favorably to the 199x [name your brand] is more because it was built >in 197x than because it's a Nak. Your comment about not knowing their >later stuff party hints at that being a suspicion you might >hold. > >Thus, I thought the question asked about brand differentials whereas >I thought your comparison was more of an explanation of time >differentials. > >As you, I also don't intend to come across short or with a bark, so I >apologize if that comes through.-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 25 22:46:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:46:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassette decks. episode XXIV In-Reply-To: <36321987-3099-4337-9528-7F56D9D1A750@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <36321987-3099-4337-9528-7F56D9D1A750@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <447617BE.8010202@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: > I'm not sure; maybe it's me that wasn't clear. > > What I was trying to address was that the original question was about > Nak non-cassette products, which to me was a question about brand (e.g., > is a Nak amp as good as, say, a Marantz one). I agree that of the > manufacturers you listed I at least know of the ones you listed as > fitting into my "majo90 r" > category (Sony, Marantz, Carver) and I don't know anything about the > other two [local] ones. > > What I thought I read from your post was that "the 197x Nak 610 compared > favorably against the 199x [Marantz, Sony, etc.]." > > The point I was trying to make was that I agree with that statement, but > I wanted to supply a missing statement to the effect of > "the 197x [Marantz, Sony, etc.]" compares favorabily against the 199x > [Marantz, Sony, etc.]." Speaking in general terms, of course. > > It just comes across to me that the reason your 197x Nak compares > favorably to the 199x [name your brand] is more because it was built > in 197x than because it's a Nak. Your comment about not knowing their > later stuff party hints at that being a suspicion you might > hold. I am not sure I agree with you there. I happen to be a Marantz receiver aficionado and own a 2215 and 2270 receivers -- both from the 70s. I also own a Nakamichi RE-2 circa 1994, that is better sounding than either Marantz by a comfortable margin. I used to make a living repairing Marantz receivers (under warranty, for the importer) and was familiar with how just about every model sounded. I feel justified in saying that both my receivers are representative what what you can expect from these models. So, my personal opinion is that Nakamichi did have an edge over competing (non cassette) products. YMMV. -- Ron > > Thus, I thought the question asked about brand differentials whereas I > thought your comparison was more of an explanation of time differentials. > > As you, I also don't intend to come across short or with a bark, so I > apologize if that comes through.-kby From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu May 25 23:59:28 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:59:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. Message-ID: <447628C0.2030702@woods-and-waters.com> Hi fellow Nakaphiles, Well, this horrific month is over for me! Instead of getting to enjoy my Naks and some great music, I've spent the month dealing with two lawsuits I filed, taking and giving depositions. (You know what depositions are -- you're asked questions by the other guy's attorney who plays semantic games to try to twist your words. Next, you get to ask questions of the guy you've sued who then plays semantic games to make his lies seem credible.) Augh! It's kept me really edgy for about five weeks and definitely reduced my tolerance for word games and fruitless arguments! Ah well, it's over now and I can get back to making music! SO, to unwind from the tension I'm starting my next Nakamichi restoration project, my scarce silver-faced 600. As many of you already now, I have more than one of both the 600 and 600-II, my favorite Naks of all time. All my Naks are stock because I've always enjoyed their sound as is, with no complaints. Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any suggestions? Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and record amp. Thanks! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri May 26 04:02:21 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:02:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <447628C0.2030702@woods-and-waters.com> References: <447628C0.2030702@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <447661AD.2090404@yahoo.ca> Transistor mods are unusual. It really depends of what you have. If you have opamps, there are better ones like OPA2134 that can be put in there. Gotta have to look at the scheme an other time! There are often some power supply and capacitor mods tho. Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hi fellow Nakaphiles, > > Well, this horrific month is over for me! Instead of getting to enjoy > my Naks and some great music, I've spent the month dealing with two > lawsuits I filed, taking and giving depositions. (You know what > depositions are -- you're asked questions by the other guy's attorney > who plays semantic games to try to twist your words. Next, you get to > ask questions of the guy you've sued who then plays semantic games to > make his lies seem credible.) Augh! It's kept me really edgy for about > five weeks and definitely reduced my tolerance for word games and > fruitless arguments! Ah well, it's over now and I can get back to > making music! > > SO, to unwind from the tension I'm starting my next Nakamichi > restoration project, my scarce silver-faced 600. As many of you > already now, I have more than one of both the 600 and 600-II, my > favorite Naks of all time. All my Naks are stock because I've always > enjoyed their sound as is, with no complaints. > > Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy > hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing > that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. > > Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any > suggestions? > > Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the > transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone > know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me > figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? > I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and > record amp. > > Thanks! > From rob at rhoag.com Fri May 26 04:07:48 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:07:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <447628C0.2030702@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hi, Kermit: Wouldn't it be better to replace noisy caps and such first, they usually add much more noise then even half way decent transistors. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:59 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. Hi fellow Nakaphiles, Well, this horrific month is over for me! Instead of getting to enjoy my Naks and some great music, I've spent the month dealing with two lawsuits I filed, taking and giving depositions. (You know what depositions are -- you're asked questions by the other guy's attorney who plays semantic games to try to twist your words. Next, you get to ask questions of the guy you've sued who then plays semantic games to make his lies seem credible.) Augh! It's kept me really edgy for about five weeks and definitely reduced my tolerance for word games and fruitless arguments! Ah well, it's over now and I can get back to making music! SO, to unwind from the tension I'm starting my next Nakamichi restoration project, my scarce silver-faced 600. As many of you already now, I have more than one of both the 600 and 600-II, my favorite Naks of all time. All my Naks are stock because I've always enjoyed their sound as is, with no complaints. Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any suggestions? Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and record amp. Thanks! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri May 26 04:17:35 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:17:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <447628C0.2030702@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000701c6806a$8ed6ac40$d4c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Kermit: You can start with doing some high-frequency bypass on your power supply to see whether it can improve the sound quality of your machine. Increase the capacitor value in the regulated power supply section as well. Good luck. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:59 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. Hi fellow Nakaphiles, Well, this horrific month is over for me! Instead of getting to enjoy my Naks and some great music, I've spent the month dealing with two lawsuits I filed, taking and giving depositions. (You know what depositions are -- you're asked questions by the other guy's attorney who plays semantic games to try to twist your words. Next, you get to ask questions of the guy you've sued who then plays semantic games to make his lies seem credible.) Augh! It's kept me really edgy for about five weeks and definitely reduced my tolerance for word games and fruitless arguments! Ah well, it's over now and I can get back to making music! SO, to unwind from the tension I'm starting my next Nakamichi restoration project, my scarce silver-faced 600. As many of you already now, I have more than one of both the 600 and 600-II, my favorite Naks of all time. All my Naks are stock because I've always enjoyed their sound as is, with no complaints. Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any suggestions? Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and record amp. Thanks! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri May 26 05:14:49 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:14:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447672A9.6060007@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Doane, Doane Hoag wrote: > Wouldn't it be better to replace noisy caps and such first, they usually add > much more noise then even half way decent transistors. Good point. I already have some nice quiet Vishay 1% metal film resistors, the same ones I use in my amps, but capacitors are another issue. All I have rolling around the parts bin are what I use in my amps: lots of CP Manufacturing FPs (way too noisy) and buckets of SBE Orange Drop caps (600 WVDC), some Chateauroux, a few Solens and one or two Wimas. All of which are too bulky to fit the 600's crowded circuit boards. Any advice on what brand of capacitor to look for? Please don't say Nichicon. Every amp I made using Nichicon caps came back under warranty because the caps went open. I will not use Nichicons any more. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:59 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. > SO, to unwind from the tension I'm starting my next Nakamichi > restoration project, my scarce silver-faced 600. As many of you already > now, I have more than one of both the 600 and 600-II, my favorite Naks > of all time. All my Naks are stock because I've always enjoyed their > sound as is, with no complaints. > > Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy > hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing > that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. > > Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any > suggestions? > > Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the > transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone > know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me > figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? > I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and > record amp. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri May 26 05:17:46 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:17:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <000701c6806a$8ed6ac40$d4c3db40@CPQ16585250299> References: <000701c6806a$8ed6ac40$d4c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: <4476735A.9040408@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mike, lenaw wrote: > Kermit: > You can start with doing some high-frequency bypass on your power > supply to see whether it can improve the sound quality of your machine. > Increase the capacitor value in the regulated power supply section as well. Oops. This comes under the heading of "I should have thought of that but didn't." Very good idea. Has anyone on the list increased the capacitor value in their deck's power supply? If so how much extra capacitance did you add? > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:59 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. > > Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy > hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing > that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. > > Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any > suggestions? > > Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the > transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone > know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me > figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? > I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and > record amp. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri May 26 05:23:53 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:23:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <447661AD.2090404@yahoo.ca> References: <447628C0.2030702@woods-and-waters.com> <447661AD.2090404@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <447674C9.90909@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Transistor mods are unusual. It really depends of what you have. If you > have opamps, there are better ones like OPA2134 that can be put in there. Yes, I suppose it is. I'm so accustomed to hotrodding tube amps with low-noise or noise qualified types that finding low-noise transistors for my Nak was the first thing I thought of. In the 1970s and 1980s, I hotrodded Revox A77 playback and input amps with an unusual low noise transistor made by National Semiconductor. It was an ultra-low noise supermatch pair that was perfect for the application. I don't remember the part number but I do remember I tried it in my first Nak 600-II but it didn't work. It was quieter but distortion was far greater. > Gotta have to look at the scheme an other time! > > There are often some power supply and capacitor mods tho. > > > Kermit V. Gray a écrit : >> >> Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy >> hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing >> that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. >> >> Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any >> suggestions? >> >> Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the >> transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone >> know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me >> figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? >> I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and >> record amp. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri May 26 06:05:22 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:05:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <447628C0.2030702@woods-and-waters.com> References: <447628C0.2030702@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: First off, replace that "my first Sony" power cord with something beefier. On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:59:28 -0500, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi fellow Nakaphiles, > > Well, this horrific month is over for me! Instead of getting to enjoy my > Naks and some great music, I've spent the month dealing with two > lawsuits I filed, taking and giving depositions. (You know what > depositions are -- you're asked questions by the other guy's attorney > who plays semantic games to try to twist your words. Next, you get to > ask questions of the guy you've sued who then plays semantic games to > make his lies seem credible.) Augh! It's kept me really edgy for about > five weeks and definitely reduced my tolerance for word games and > fruitless arguments! Ah well, it's over now and I can get back to making > music! > > SO, to unwind from the tension I'm starting my next Nakamichi > restoration project, my scarce silver-faced 600. As many of you already > now, I have more than one of both the 600 and 600-II, my favorite Naks > of all time. All my Naks are stock because I've always enjoyed their > sound as is, with no complaints. > > Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy > hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing > that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. > > Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any > suggestions? > > Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the > transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone > know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me > figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? > I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and > record amp. > > Thanks! > -- From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri May 26 10:54:04 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 01:54:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassette decks.episode XXX Message-ID: OK, hold on. I'm not disagreeing with anyone on which is (or isn't) "better" (and yes, I agree that's a rather nebulous term at best). I was merely trying point out that a comparison in time isn't the same thing as a comparison in brand (what I thought the ORIGINAL question was about). I also only picked Marantz as an example. Yes, I use a 2600 receiver which is from the late '70s and i'm partial to it. But that really wasn't what I was trying to say. It's just that us science types like to to vary one thing at a time in our comparisons. Time OR brand. Not both at once. That said, of course any particular (or maybe all) Naks from 199x are "better" than a [pick your brand] from the '70s.-kby From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 26 14:58:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:58:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <447672A9.6060007@woods-and-waters.com> References: <447672A9.6060007@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4476FB5F.6000201@rcn.com> Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Doane, > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> Wouldn't it be better to replace noisy caps and such first, they >> usually add >> much more noise then even half way decent transistors. > > Good point. I already have some nice quiet Vishay 1% metal film > resistors, the same ones I use in my amps, but capacitors are another > issue. All I have rolling around the parts bin are what I use in my > amps: lots of CP Manufacturing FPs (way too noisy) and buckets of SBE > Orange Drop caps (600 WVDC), some Chateauroux, a few Solens and one or > two Wimas. All of which are too bulky to fit the 600's crowded circuit > boards. > > Any advice on what brand of capacitor to look for? Please don't say > Nichicon. Every amp I made using Nichicon caps came back under warranty > because the caps went open. I will not use Nichicons any more. I've had good luck with Panasonic capacitors. High quality at reasonable cost. For film types, Their ECQ series Polypropylene are available in 2% tolerance. Their only disadvantage is large physical size, often larger than what the Nak PCB was paid out for. For coupling electrolytics: their FC series -- 105 degrees C, low impedance, long life, low tan(delta). -- Ron > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray >> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:59 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. > >> SO, to unwind from the tension I'm starting my next Nakamichi >> restoration project, my scarce silver-faced 600. As many of you already >> now, I have more than one of both the 600 and 600-II, my favorite Naks >> of all time. All my Naks are stock because I've always enjoyed their >> sound as is, with no complaints. >> >> Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy >> hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing >> that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. >> >> Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any >> suggestions? >> >> Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the >> transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone >> know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me >> figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? >> I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and >> record amp. > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 26 17:34:28 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:34:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <447628C0.2030702@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060526103428.00826540@earthlink.net> Kermit, 2SC1000 and 2SA493 were the best lo noise transistors in the day. You might begin there for comparison. I'm sure the head amp resistors will benefit from metal film types. My favorite mod would be to hardwire the dolby board, and the head cable connectors if you dare. It might be fun to add a peak level led above the rec. meters. It would add a red glow when levels are exceeded, but keep the appearance stock. If you wanted to go to the extreme, the discrete dolby circuit can probably be upgraded using a newer NE545. I assume the level tracking is better with integrated circuits. You might also add mercury whetted relays in place of the head switch portion of the rec/ play switch, using the original contacts to switch the relays. We modded a deck here with a silver face and black hardware, AND added the 600ii door. I've seen other picturse of similar mods. tom brucker At 04:59 PM 5/25/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hi fellow Nakaphiles, > >Well, this horrific month is over for me! Instead of getting to enjoy my >Naks and some great music, I've spent the month dealing with two >lawsuits I filed, taking and giving depositions. (You know what >depositions are -- you're asked questions by the other guy's attorney >who plays semantic games to try to twist your words. Next, you get to >ask questions of the guy you've sued who then plays semantic games to >make his lies seem credible.) Augh! It's kept me really edgy for about >five weeks and definitely reduced my tolerance for word games and >fruitless arguments! Ah well, it's over now and I can get back to making >music! > >SO, to unwind from the tension I'm starting my next Nakamichi >restoration project, my scarce silver-faced 600. As many of you already >now, I have more than one of both the 600 and 600-II, my favorite Naks >of all time. All my Naks are stock because I've always enjoyed their >sound as is, with no complaints. > >Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy >hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing >that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. > >Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any >suggestions? > >Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the >transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone >know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me >figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? >I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and >record amp. > >Thanks! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri May 26 20:49:15 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:49:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060526103428.00826540@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060526103428.00826540@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44774DAB.3040702@xs4all.nl> Interesting point Tom! This dolby board can be found in several 70's Naks and the OEM decks produced by them only then without the Nak logo. Re-designing this board will be one of Bala's projects (I hope he still wants to), the new version could be stocked with a modern chip, even one with dolby c or s! Wouter Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > 2SC1000 and 2SA493 were the best lo noise transistors in the day. You > might begin there for comparison. I'm sure the head amp resistors will > benefit from metal film types. My favorite mod would be to hardwire the > dolby board, and the head cable connectors if you dare. It might be fun to > add a peak level led above the rec. meters. It would add a red glow when > levels are exceeded, but keep the appearance stock. > If you wanted to go to the extreme, the discrete dolby circuit can > probably be upgraded using a newer NE545. I assume the level tracking is > better with integrated circuits. You might also add mercury whetted relays > in place of the head switch portion of the rec/ play switch, using the > original contacts to switch the relays. We modded a deck here with a silver > face and black hardware, AND added the 600ii door. I've seen other > picturse of similar mods. > > tom brucker > From lenaw at flash.net Fri May 26 18:30:05 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <4476FB5F.6000201@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060526163005.74694.qmail@web80230.mail.yahoo.com> Kemit and Doane: Nichicon Muse capacitors are good choice as well. They are audio grade caps and probably not that far behind the famous Black-Gate caps. Mike Ron wrote: Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Doane, > > Doane Hoag wrote: >> Wouldn't it be better to replace noisy caps and such first, they >> usually add >> much more noise then even half way decent transistors. > > Good point. I already have some nice quiet Vishay 1% metal film > resistors, the same ones I use in my amps, but capacitors are another > issue. All I have rolling around the parts bin are what I use in my > amps: lots of CP Manufacturing FPs (way too noisy) and buckets of SBE > Orange Drop caps (600 WVDC), some Chateauroux, a few Solens and one or > two Wimas. All of which are too bulky to fit the 600's crowded circuit > boards. > > Any advice on what brand of capacitor to look for? Please don't say > Nichicon. Every amp I made using Nichicon caps came back under warranty > because the caps went open. I will not use Nichicons any more. I've had good luck with Panasonic capacitors. High quality at reasonable cost. For film types, Their ECQ series Polypropylene are available in 2% tolerance. Their only disadvantage is large physical size, often larger than what the Nak PCB was paid out for. For coupling electrolytics: their FC series -- 105 degrees C, low impedance, long life, low tan(delta). -- Ron > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray >> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:59 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. > >> SO, to unwind from the tension I'm starting my next Nakamichi >> restoration project, my scarce silver-faced 600. As many of you already >> now, I have more than one of both the 600 and 600-II, my favorite Naks >> of all time. All my Naks are stock because I've always enjoyed their >> sound as is, with no complaints. >> >> Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy >> hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing >> that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. >> >> Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any >> suggestions? >> >> Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the >> transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone >> know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me >> figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? >> I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and >> record amp. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri May 26 22:49:24 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:49:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <44774DAB.3040702@xs4all.nl> References: <3.0.3.32.20060526103428.00826540@earthlink.net> <44774DAB.3040702@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <447769D4.9020509@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Wouter, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Interesting point Tom! > This dolby board can be found in several 70's Naks and the OEM decks > produced by them only then without the Nak logo. > Re-designing this board will be one of Bala's projects (I hope he still > wants to), the new version could be stocked with a modern chip, even one > with dolby c or s! Yes! I want one of Bala's Dolby boards for my 600, 600-II, and the 550s especially! Hey Bala, get boardin'! > Wouter > > Hi Tech wrote: > >> Kermit, >> 2SC1000 and 2SA493 were the best lo noise transistors in the day. You >> might begin there for comparison. I'm sure the head amp resistors will >> benefit from metal film types. My favorite mod would be to hardwire the >> dolby board, and the head cable connectors if you dare. It might be >> fun to >> add a peak level led above the rec. meters. It would add a red glow when >> levels are exceeded, but keep the appearance stock. If you wanted to >> go to the extreme, the discrete dolby circuit can >> probably be upgraded using a newer NE545. I assume the level tracking is >> better with integrated circuits. You might also add mercury whetted >> relays >> in place of the head switch portion of the rec/ play switch, using the >> original contacts to switch the relays. We modded a deck here with a >> silver >> face and black hardware, AND added the 600ii door. I've seen other >> picturse of similar mods. >> >> tom brucker >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri May 26 22:51:05 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:51:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <20060526163005.74694.qmail@web80230.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060526163005.74694.qmail@web80230.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44776A39.30509@woods-and-waters.com> Hi mike, LENA WONG wrote: > Kemit and Doane: > Nichicon Muse capacitors are good choice as > well. They are audio grade caps and probably not that far behind the > famous Black-Gate caps. Well, I'll consider it, but every amp I've ever made using Nichicon caps came back under warranty because the Nichicon caps went open. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri May 26 22:57:51 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:57:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060526103428.00826540@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060526103428.00826540@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44776BCF.8080301@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Tom, Groovy mod ideas. I'll use those transistors to match up some new ones. May have to rebias the amps but that's easily done. I love the peak indicator idea! Very, very cool. The deck would get "angry" when you overmod the levels. Gives the deck some attitude. I like decks with attitude. Yes, hardwiring the Dolby board is something I end up doing to all my Naks. Both my 550s have that mod and I did it to a friend's 550. By the way, I did that on a customer's 700 (back in 1977 when they were new) and the mod got me fired from my first service job because Nakamichi didn't authorize hardwiring the circuit boards. I'm too chicken to solder the head cables. Bawk bawk bawk.... Metal film resistors are planned. I'm using Vishays. Know of a quieter make? Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > 2SC1000 and 2SA493 were the best lo noise transistors in the day. You > might begin there for comparison. I'm sure the head amp resistors will > benefit from metal film types. My favorite mod would be to hardwire the > dolby board, and the head cable connectors if you dare. It might be fun to > add a peak level led above the rec. meters. It would add a red glow when > levels are exceeded, but keep the appearance stock. > If you wanted to go to the extreme, the discrete dolby circuit can > probably be upgraded using a newer NE545. I assume the level tracking is > better with integrated circuits. You might also add mercury whetted relays > in place of the head switch portion of the rec/ play switch, using the > original contacts to switch the relays. We modded a deck here with a silver > face and black hardware, AND added the 600ii door. I've seen other > picturse of similar mods. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 26 23:27:51 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:27:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassettedecks.episode XXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: 26 May 2006 09:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassettedecks.episode XXX That said, of course any particular (or maybe all) Naks from 199x are "better" than a [pick your brand] from the '70s.-kby What, even non-cassette items? I have a 1970's Sony tuner (a ST 5950 SD, which was to of the line in its day), which I believe will kill any 199# to modern Sony tuner. I also have a pair of Sugden T28 tuners from the 1980's, which are a match for their modern equivalent. I also have a mono Leak Troughline III, which is around 40 years old, and that would see off most modern tuners, my Sony (just) and is just pipped at the post overall by the Sugdens. My point (not to drift off Naks completely) is that it doesn't always follow that "newer is better", as those who enjoy ZXL cassette machines will verify. Gra' From lenaw at flash.net Sat May 27 00:08:14 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <44776A39.30509@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060526220814.26733.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit: I have replaced most of the electrolytic caps on the power supply section with Nichicon Muse series of caps on my Nak 582 and so far they seem to behave fine ( around two years since I put them on ). I cannot comment on other series of Capactors from Nichicon though. At the same time, you can visit Scott Johnson's website and inside Scott has captured a lot of thoughts about mod from Stephen Sank. You might know about all these already. Mike "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi mike, LENA WONG wrote: > Kemit and Doane: > Nichicon Muse capacitors are good choice as > well. They are audio grade caps and probably not that far behind the > famous Black-Gate caps. Well, I'll consider it, but every amp I've ever made using Nichicon caps came back under warranty because the Nichicon caps went open. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 26 23:27:53 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:27:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <4476735A.9040408@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Funny you should mention this. I once bought three "virtual batteries" from the now-defunct company, Radar Developments. In fact, these mysterious black boxes were actually additional capacitors that sat between the wall socket (or mains cleaner) and the cassette machine/amp/whatever PSU. A single one of these units made a great difference to my old Aiwa AD1800 cassette player, audibly reducing wow and - thus - significantly improving the playback of piano and acoustic guitar. However, a single one did nothing to improve the sound from the amp. In fact, it beggared the dynamic range of the music ... I tried two and three of the boxes in line. That didn't help, of course. However, when I tried all three in parallel, I got the dynamics back. However, they made damn all else difference to the amp! I also found that they didn't make the slightest difference to my Pioneer CT-S830S cassette deck or any of my Naks - presumably, they all have better supplied PSU than the old Aiwa AD1800 ... or may be the Aiwa needed new capacitors ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 26 May 2006 04:18 To: lenaw Cc: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: Re: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. Hi Mike, lenaw wrote: > Kermit: > You can start with doing some high-frequency bypass on your power > supply to see whether it can improve the sound quality of your machine. > Increase the capacitor value in the regulated power supply section as well. Oops. This comes under the heading of "I should have thought of that but didn't." Very good idea. Has anyone on the list increased the capacitor value in their deck's power supply? If so how much extra capacitance did you add? > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:59 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. > > Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy > hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing > that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. > > Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any > suggestions? > > Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the > transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone > know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me > figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? > I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and > record amp. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri May 26 23:50:36 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:50:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <44776BCF.8080301@woods-and-waters.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060526103428.00826540@earthlink.net> <44776BCF.8080301@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4477782C.6050503@yahoo.ca> There's always the common belief that Schottky diodes instead of the silicon ones can help for the rectifier, but I don't know if there are really any effects. The PSU is made with transistors. Look if the voltages are still OK. I think that a PSU made out of LM317 regulator ICs would be better, since there are less components that can change value over time. Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hey Tom, > > Groovy mod ideas. I'll use those transistors to match up some new > ones. May have to rebias the amps but that's easily done. > > I love the peak indicator idea! Very, very cool. The deck would get > "angry" when you overmod the levels. Gives the deck some attitude. I > like decks with attitude. > > Yes, hardwiring the Dolby board is something I end up doing to all my > Naks. Both my 550s have that mod and I did it to a friend's 550. By > the way, I did that on a customer's 700 (back in 1977 when they were > new) and the mod got me fired from my first service job because > Nakamichi didn't authorize hardwiring the circuit boards. Sigh! > > I'm too chicken to solder the head cables. Bawk bawk bawk.... > > Metal film resistors are planned. I'm using Vishays. Know of a quieter > make? Holco? > > Hi Tech wrote: >> Kermit, >> 2SC1000 and 2SA493 were the best lo noise transistors in the day. You >> might begin there for comparison. I'm sure the head amp resistors will >> benefit from metal film types. My favorite mod would be to hardwire the >> dolby board, and the head cable connectors if you dare. It might be >> fun to >> add a peak level led above the rec. meters. It would add a red glow when >> levels are exceeded, but keep the appearance stock. If you wanted >> to go to the extreme, the discrete dolby circuit can >> probably be upgraded using a newer NE545. I assume the level >> tracking is >> better with integrated circuits. You might also add mercury whetted >> relays >> in place of the head switch portion of the rec/ play switch, using the >> original contacts to switch the relays. We modded a deck here with a >> silver >> face and black hardware, AND added the 600ii door. I've seen other >> picturse of similar mods. From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat May 27 01:41:49 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <447628C0.2030702@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060526234149.55775.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 1) Soft-recovery rectifiers & generous high freq bypassing(propylene & styrene caps) into the audio power supplies. 2) Replacement of all 4558/TL072 format dual opamps in direct rec/pb signal path with OP275. 3) Bypassing of all Pb signal path caps w/styrenes, and elimination of coupling caps where possible. 4) Bypassing of all "in stage" power supply filter caps in rec/pb signal path stages with styrenes. 5) Bypassing of all Rec signal path caps w/NPO ceramic SMD "chip" caps(due to budget limits), including input amps. 6) Replacing of all significant shielded signal wiring(excluding head wiring, due to budget) with LAT IC-200II cable or RCA MI-13322 silver/copper mic cable. No where near as much wiring to replace as in the ZX-7/9, and no overly circuitous routes, but I was able to shorten some runs a lot. 7) Removal of AC line cord & installation of standard IEC power cord connector. The list above is from my web site under the heading "Souping up your deck". It is from a post that Stephan Sank wrote many years ago. There are a few other suggestions in that section that I did not post here. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html Scott J. --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > Hi fellow Nakaphiles, > > Well, this horrific month is over for me! Instead of getting to > enjoy my > Naks and some great music, I've spent the month dealing with two > lawsuits I filed, taking and giving depositions. (You know what > depositions are -- you're asked questions by the other guy's > attorney > who plays semantic games to try to twist your words. Next, you get > to > ask questions of the guy you've sued who then plays semantic games > to > make his lies seem credible.) Augh! It's kept me really edgy for > about > five weeks and definitely reduced my tolerance for word games and > fruitless arguments! Ah well, it's over now and I can get back to > making > music! > > SO, to unwind from the tension I'm starting my next Nakamichi > restoration project, my scarce silver-faced 600. As many of you > already > now, I have more than one of both the 600 and 600-II, my favorite > Naks > of all time. All my Naks are stock because I've always enjoyed > their > sound as is, with no complaints. > > Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy > hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and > seeing > that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special > with it. > > Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. > Any > suggestions? > > Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the > > transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does > anyone > know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let > me > figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor > complement? > I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp > and > record amp. > > Thanks! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for > recording and > pro audio info! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kawzx7 at hotmail.com Sat May 27 03:41:31 2006 From: kawzx7 at hotmail.com (Chris Patrick) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 01:41:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <20060526234149.55775.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's pretty much what he did to my CR-7A. :-) From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat May 27 13:18:51 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 06:18:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <20060526234149.55775.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060526234149.55775.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: tHIS SOUNDS FANTASTIC sCOTT. I would love to get this thing done, but I wouldnt do it on a two head deck. I need to find a non-working three head unit in nice shape, since I assume, that since everything needs to be replaced anyway, thenI just need to find a deck that has all its mechanical functions 100% operational, and proceed from there.Who modifys these decks? Tom repairs, however I havent discerned if he also modifys. I will shoot him an E-mail and ask for a rate for these modifications. I bet one would have a top sounding deck, irregardkess of price, once these things, along with one of the NAk-marathon II powerchords, were completed.Anyone have a spare noisy three head unit that works well mechanically? Thanks On Fri, 26 May 2006 18:41:49 -0500, Scott Johnson wrote: > 1) Soft-recovery rectifiers & generous high freq bypassing(propylene > & styrene caps) into the audio power supplies. > 2) Replacement of all 4558/TL072 format dual opamps in direct rec/pb > signal path with OP275. > 3) Bypassing of all Pb signal path caps w/styrenes, and elimination > of coupling caps where possible. > 4) Bypassing of all "in stage" power supply filter caps in rec/pb > signal path stages with styrenes. > 5) Bypassing of all Rec signal path caps w/NPO ceramic SMD "chip" > caps(due to budget limits), including input amps. > 6) Replacing of all significant shielded signal wiring(excluding head > wiring, due to budget) with LAT IC-200II cable or RCA MI-13322 > silver/copper mic cable. No where near as much wiring to replace as > in the ZX-7/9, and no overly circuitous routes, but I was able to > shorten some runs a lot. > 7) Removal of AC line cord & installation of standard IEC power cord > connector. > > The list above is from my web site under the heading "Souping up your > deck". It is from a post that Stephan Sank wrote many years ago. > > There are a few other suggestions in that section that I did not post > here. > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > Scott J. > > > --- "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: > >> Hi fellow Nakaphiles, >> >> Well, this horrific month is over for me! Instead of getting to >> enjoy my >> Naks and some great music, I've spent the month dealing with two >> lawsuits I filed, taking and giving depositions. (You know what >> depositions are -- you're asked questions by the other guy's >> attorney >> who plays semantic games to try to twist your words. Next, you get >> to >> ask questions of the guy you've sued who then plays semantic games >> to >> make his lies seem credible.) Augh! It's kept me really edgy for >> about >> five weeks and definitely reduced my tolerance for word games and >> fruitless arguments! Ah well, it's over now and I can get back to >> making >> music! >> >> SO, to unwind from the tension I'm starting my next Nakamichi >> restoration project, my scarce silver-faced 600. As many of you >> already >> now, I have more than one of both the 600 and 600-II, my favorite >> Naks >> of all time. All my Naks are stock because I've always enjoyed >> their >> sound as is, with no complaints. >> >> Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy >> hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and >> seeing >> that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special >> with it. >> >> Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. >> Any >> suggestions? >> >> Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the >> >> transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does >> anyone >> know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let >> me >> figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor >> complement? >> I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp >> and >> record amp. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for >> recording and >> pro audio info! >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat May 27 16:54:15 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:54:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dontion zx-9 In-Reply-To: <20174.212.78.164.66.1148388825.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <42d.1cdd79c.31a38d77@aol.com> <518b7b10605230037r555dea89o67ce5f81d2db4501@mail.gmail.com> <20174.212.78.164.66.1148388825.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <44786817.3040504@xs4all.nl> This is getting an example of a bad donation. Today Diane posted her ZX-9 again but now on the new donation part of naks.com. She not only wants compensation for shipment which is ok by me but also for the cost she made to have it shipped to ESL. To me this is becoming a sale and not a donation and so far a very bad example of a donation. A donation should be FREE and possible compensated by having the unit shipped to the new owner, even the list price could be part of the compensation this way... So those of you that want to BUY this unit, contact her, for now this topic is over, it should end up on Ebay i think. Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > She is on naktalk, only recently but has trouble posting. > So far (only) 7 responed i understand. > > Wouter > > >> Dean, >> >> I have the feeling Diane is not on Naktalk. I am sure there is a >> reason for Wouter to provide an email address for direct contact in >> his original message. Why don't you try it ? Here it is once more : >> >> dmm at math.bu.edu >> >> George >> From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 27 15:25:14 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:25:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <4477782C.6050503@yahoo.ca> References: <3.0.3.32.20060526103428.00826540@earthlink.net> <44776BCF.8080301@woods-and-waters.com> <4477782C.6050503@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4478533A.1090608@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > There's always the common belief that Schottky diodes instead of the > silicon ones can help for the rectifier, but I don't know if there are > really any effects. The theory is that soft recovery diodes cause less (or no) transients, thereby reducing the noise coming from the supply rails and thus, the S/N of the deck. Stephen swore buy them. Personally, I've never tried them, but feel that the noise caused by the supply is ridiculously small and contributes precious little to the S/N of the deck. > The PSU is made with transistors. Look if the voltages are still OK. I > think that a PSU made out of LM317 regulator ICs would be better, since > there are less components that can change value over time. SS devices do not change over time -- that behaviour is reserved for tubes. A well designed discrete regulator will work (for year and years and years) just as well as an integrated one. The IC does have advantages over the discrete design (lower cost, smaller foot print, better efficiency) but that's for new designs. I don't think a mod will result in any benefit whatsoever. A long time ago, I ran an A-B listening test (blind) comparing the original sound from (a very good sounding) CD, to the same CD, but through the tape monitor circuit. This compared the sound going directly through the prepro, to the same sound, going from the prepro to the CR-7 input through the CR-7 electronics, to the CR-7 output amp, back to the prepro. In effect, it tested how the CR-7 modified sound going through the electronics, without recording or playing back. The listening panel consisted a half a dozen listeners and included two young women and a 13 years old boy. None of the listeners (including me) could tell differences in a statistically meaningful way. To me, that meant that the CR-7 electronics do not make audible changes to the sound and, consequently, that no mod to the electronics can improve the CR-7. Prior to that, I ordered all the parts for modding my CR-7. As a result, these parts are still sitting on the shelf... -- Ron > Kermit V. Gray a écrit : >> Hey Tom, >> >> Groovy mod ideas. I'll use those transistors to match up some new >> ones. May have to rebias the amps but that's easily done. >> >> I love the peak indicator idea! Very, very cool. The deck would get >> "angry" when you overmod the levels. Gives the deck some attitude. I >> like decks with attitude. >> >> Yes, hardwiring the Dolby board is something I end up doing to all my >> Naks. Both my 550s have that mod and I did it to a friend's 550. By >> the way, I did that on a customer's 700 (back in 1977 when they were >> new) and the mod got me fired from my first service job because >> Nakamichi didn't authorize hardwiring the circuit boards. > Sigh! >> >> I'm too chicken to solder the head cables. Bawk bawk bawk.... >> >> Metal film resistors are planned. I'm using Vishays. Know of a quieter >> make? > Holco? >> >> Hi Tech wrote: >>> Kermit, >>> 2SC1000 and 2SA493 were the best lo noise transistors in the day. You >>> might begin there for comparison. I'm sure the head amp resistors will >>> benefit from metal film types. My favorite mod would be to hardwire the >>> dolby board, and the head cable connectors if you dare. It might be >>> fun to >>> add a peak level led above the rec. meters. It would add a red glow when >>> levels are exceeded, but keep the appearance stock. If you wanted >>> to go to the extreme, the discrete dolby circuit can >>> probably be upgraded using a newer NE545. I assume the level >>> tracking is >>> better with integrated circuits. You might also add mercury whetted >>> relays >>> in place of the head switch portion of the rec/ play switch, using the >>> original contacts to switch the relays. We modded a deck here with a >>> silver >>> face and black hardware, AND added the 600ii door. I've seen other >>> picturse of similar mods. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat May 27 17:38:54 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 11:38:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dontion zx-9 In-Reply-To: <44786817.3040504@xs4all.nl> References: <42d.1cdd79c.31a38d77@aol.com> <518b7b10605230037r555dea89o67ce5f81d2db4501@mail.gmail.com> <20174.212.78.164.66.1148388825.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <44786817.3040504@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4478728E.9000706@yahoo.ca> Um, well, it's great to have a donation form but where can you find what people posted? Wouter Heijke a écrit : > This is getting an example of a bad donation. > Today Diane posted her ZX-9 again but now on the new donation part of > naks.com. > She not only wants compensation for shipment which is ok by me but > also for the cost she made to have it shipped to ESL. > To me this is becoming a sale and not a donation and so far a very bad > example of a donation. > A donation should be FREE and possible compensated by having the unit > shipped to the new owner, even the list price could be part of the > compensation this way... > > So those of you that want to BUY this unit, contact her, for now this > topic is over, it should end up on Ebay i think. > > Wouter > > Wouter Heijke wrote: >> She is on naktalk, only recently but has trouble posting. >> So far (only) 7 responed i understand. >> >> Wouter >> >> >>> Dean, >>> >>> I have the feeling Diane is not on Naktalk. I am sure there is a >>> reason for Wouter to provide an email address for direct contact in >>> his original message. Why don't you try it ? Here it is once more : >>> >>> dmm at math.bu.edu >>> >>> George >>> From rob at rhoag.com Sat May 27 18:42:46 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:42:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! Message-ID: Well, I'm amazed, no one jumped on the $250 buy-it-now price, but it's up to $112 ($40 each) with eleven bids and one day left! No comments? From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat May 27 21:28:17 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:28:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dontion zx-9 In-Reply-To: <4478728E.9000706@yahoo.ca> References: <42d.1cdd79c.31a38d77@aol.com> <518b7b10605230037r555dea89o67ce5f81d2db4501@mail.gmail.com> <20174.212.78.164.66.1148388825.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <44786817.3040504@xs4all.nl> <4478728E.9000706@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4478A851.50607@xs4all.nl> I will tell you. But I don't think it will happen that often.. Like I told before this is for people not on naktalk just visiting Naks.com and wanting to donate their unit. If it will become a mass buisiness I could do it different. Wouter Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Um, well, it's great to have a donation form but where can you find > what people posted? > > Wouter Heijke a écrit : >> This is getting an example of a bad donation. >> Today Diane posted her ZX-9 again but now on the new donation part of >> naks.com. >> She not only wants compensation for shipment which is ok by me but >> also for the cost she made to have it shipped to ESL. >> To me this is becoming a sale and not a donation and so far a very >> bad example of a donation. >> A donation should be FREE and possible compensated by having the unit >> shipped to the new owner, even the list price could be part of the >> compensation this way... >> >> So those of you that want to BUY this unit, contact her, for now this >> topic is over, it should end up on Ebay i think. >> >> Wouter >> From lenaw at flash.net Sat May 27 20:30:49 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:30:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c681bb$ae663880$1ec5db40@CPQ16585250299> For $112 I probably will be better off by buying those TDK MA ( from around the same period ) which probably not costing me more than $10 a piece and I believe I will hear no difference on these two tapes on my Nak ( My ears may be bad though ). As a collector item, $40 a piece is up to the air. However in free market, demand and supply rule though. Happy Holiday !!! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 11:43 AM To: NakTalk Nakamichi forum Subject: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! Well, I'm amazed, no one jumped on the $250 buy-it-now price, but it's up to $112 ($40 each) with eleven bids and one day left! No comments? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat May 27 20:52:26 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:52:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <4478533A.1090608@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060526103428.00826540@earthlink.net> <44776BCF.8080301@woods-and-waters.com> <4477782C.6050503@yahoo.ca> <4478533A.1090608@rcn.com> Message-ID: <44789FEA.1020006@yahoo.ca> Ron a écrit : > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> There's always the common belief that Schottky diodes instead of the >> silicon ones can help for the rectifier, but I don't know if there >> are really any effects. > The theory is that soft recovery diodes cause less (or no) transients, > thereby reducing the noise coming from the supply rails and thus, the > S/N of the deck. Stephen swore buy them. Personally, I've never tried > them, but feel that the noise caused by the supply is ridiculously > small and contributes precious little to the S/N of the deck. Why are there filter caps? ;-) >> The PSU is made with transistors. Look if the voltages are still OK. >> I think that a PSU made out of LM317 regulator ICs would be better, >> since there are less components that can change value over time. > SS devices do not change over time -- that behaviour is reserved for > tubes. The transistors themselves are OK, but there are much more passive components that can drift over time in there. > A well designed discrete regulator will work (for year and years and > years) just as well as an integrated one. The IC does have advantages > over the discrete design (lower cost, smaller foot print, better > efficiency) but that's for new designs. I don't think a mod will > result in any benefit whatsoever. Ripples in voltage? > A long time ago, I ran an A-B listening test (blind) comparing the > original sound from (a very good sounding) > CD, to the same CD, but through the tape monitor circuit. This > compared the sound going directly through the prepro, > to the same sound, going from the prepro to the CR-7 input through the > CR-7 electronics, to the CR-7 output amp, back > to the prepro. In effect, it tested how the CR-7 modified sound going > through the electronics, without recording or > playing back. Not the case of a stock BX-2... (Changes the sound a lot) Maybe I should apply the mods that were already done in my black BX-2 on the silver one too... (A CD to tape copy on my black BX-2 even sounds pretty much like the original) > The listening panel consisted a half a dozen listeners and included > two young women and a 13 years old boy. None > of the listeners (including me) could tell differences in a > statistically meaningful way. To me, that meant that the > CR-7 electronics do not make audible changes to the sound and, > consequently, that no mod to the electronics can improve the CR-7. > > Prior to that, I ordered all the parts for modding my CR-7. As a > result, these parts are still sitting on the shelf... > > -- Ron > > >> Kermit V. Gray a écrit : >>> Hey Tom, >>> >>> Groovy mod ideas. I'll use those transistors to match up some new >>> ones. May have to rebias the amps but that's easily done. >>> >>> I love the peak indicator idea! Very, very cool. The deck would get >>> "angry" when you overmod the levels. Gives the deck some attitude. I >>> like decks with attitude. >>> >>> Yes, hardwiring the Dolby board is something I end up doing to all >>> my Naks. Both my 550s have that mod and I did it to a friend's 550. >>> By the way, I did that on a customer's 700 (back in 1977 when they >>> were new) and the mod got me fired from my first service job because >>> Nakamichi didn't authorize hardwiring the circuit boards. >> Sigh! >>> >>> I'm too chicken to solder the head cables. Bawk bawk bawk.... >>> >>> Metal film resistors are planned. I'm using Vishays. Know of a >>> quieter make? >> Holco? >>> >>> Hi Tech wrote: >>>> Kermit, >>>> 2SC1000 and 2SA493 were the best lo noise transistors in the day. >>>> You >>>> might begin there for comparison. I'm sure the head amp resistors will >>>> benefit from metal film types. My favorite mod would be to hardwire >>>> the >>>> dolby board, and the head cable connectors if you dare. It might >>>> be fun to >>>> add a peak level led above the rec. meters. It would add a red glow >>>> when >>>> levels are exceeded, but keep the appearance stock. If you wanted >>>> to go to the extreme, the discrete dolby circuit can >>>> probably be upgraded using a newer NE545. I assume the level >>>> tracking is >>>> better with integrated circuits. You might also add mercury >>>> whetted relays >>>> in place of the head switch portion of the rec/ play switch, using the >>>> original contacts to switch the relays. We modded a deck here with >>>> a silver >>>> face and black hardware, AND added the 600ii door. I've seen other >>>> picturse of similar mods. From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Sat May 27 23:39:36 2006 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 17:39:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Switch on RX-505--Any suggestions? Message-ID: I have a 505 which has developed a problem. While it plays and records fine, when you engage the dolby c switch it just wont stay in when pushed in. This means you either live with dolby b or use the deck withot dolby. Any suggestions on how to remedy this dilemma. I am not a hands on tech so fixing it myself is not a possibility. Thanks for all your inputs in responding. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun May 28 00:40:46 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 18:40:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <44789FEA.1020006@yahoo.ca> References: <3.0.3.32.20060526103428.00826540@earthlink.net> <44776BCF.8080301@woods-and-waters.com> <4477782C.6050503@yahoo.ca> <4478533A.1090608@rcn.com> <44789FEA.1020006@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4478D56E.8010305@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Ron a écrit : >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>> There's always the common belief that Schottky diodes instead of the >>> silicon ones can help for the rectifier, but I don't know if there >>> are really any effects. >> The theory is that soft recovery diodes cause less (or no) transients, >> thereby reducing the noise coming from the supply rails and thus, the >> S/N of the deck. Stephen swore buy them. Personally, I've never tried >> them, but feel that the noise caused by the supply is ridiculously >> small and contributes precious little to the S/N of the deck. > Why are there filter caps? ;-) Electrolytic filer caps have a finite ESR. The soft recovery diode mod should be accompanied by bypassing all electrolytic caps with film caps. >>> The PSU is made with transistors. Look if the voltages are still OK. >>> I think that a PSU made out of LM317 regulator ICs would be better, >>> since there are less components that can change value over time. >> SS devices do not change over time -- that behaviour is reserved for >> tubes. > The transistors themselves are OK, but there are much more passive > components that can drift over time in there. OK, I see your point. However, IME, these components tend to last for many, many years. And if they ever go bad, it's far easier to replace a bad resistor than rebuild a regulator on a PCB designed for something else. >> A well designed discrete regulator will work (for year and years and >> years) just as well as an integrated one. The IC does have advantages >> over the discrete design (lower cost, smaller foot print, better >> efficiency) but that's for new designs. I don't think a mod will >> result in any benefit whatsoever. > Ripples in voltage? The Nak discrete regulators work just as well as the integrated ones. I meant, 'no benefit whatsoever to deck performance'. >> A long time ago, I ran an A-B listening test (blind) comparing the >> original sound from (a very good sounding) >> CD, to the same CD, but through the tape monitor circuit. This >> compared the sound going directly through the prepro, >> to the same sound, going from the prepro to the CR-7 input through the >> CR-7 electronics, to the CR-7 output amp, back >> to the prepro. In effect, it tested how the CR-7 modified sound going >> through the electronics, without recording or >> playing back. > Not the case of a stock BX-2... (Changes the sound a lot) Maybe I should > apply the mods that were already done in my black BX-2 on the silver one > too... (A CD to tape copy on my black BX-2 even sounds pretty much like > the original) Well, yea. But we are talking about modding a high end Nak. No one would apply these mods to a BX-2. -- Ron >> The listening panel consisted a half a dozen listeners and included >> two young women and a 13 years old boy. None >> of the listeners (including me) could tell differences in a >> statistically meaningful way. To me, that meant that the >> CR-7 electronics do not make audible changes to the sound and, >> consequently, that no mod to the electronics can improve the CR-7. >> >> Prior to that, I ordered all the parts for modding my CR-7. As a >> result, these parts are still sitting on the shelf... >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> Kermit V. Gray a écrit : >>>> Hey Tom, >>>> >>>> Groovy mod ideas. I'll use those transistors to match up some new >>>> ones. May have to rebias the amps but that's easily done. >>>> >>>> I love the peak indicator idea! Very, very cool. The deck would get >>>> "angry" when you overmod the levels. Gives the deck some attitude. I >>>> like decks with attitude. >>>> >>>> Yes, hardwiring the Dolby board is something I end up doing to all >>>> my Naks. Both my 550s have that mod and I did it to a friend's 550. >>>> By the way, I did that on a customer's 700 (back in 1977 when they >>>> were new) and the mod got me fired from my first service job because >>>> Nakamichi didn't authorize hardwiring the circuit boards. >>> Sigh! >>>> >>>> I'm too chicken to solder the head cables. Bawk bawk bawk.... >>>> >>>> Metal film resistors are planned. I'm using Vishays. Know of a >>>> quieter make? >>> Holco? >>>> >>>> Hi Tech wrote: >>>>> Kermit, >>>>> 2SC1000 and 2SA493 were the best lo noise transistors in the day. >>>>> You >>>>> might begin there for comparison. I'm sure the head amp resistors will >>>>> benefit from metal film types. My favorite mod would be to hardwire >>>>> the >>>>> dolby board, and the head cable connectors if you dare. It might >>>>> be fun to >>>>> add a peak level led above the rec. meters. It would add a red glow >>>>> when >>>>> levels are exceeded, but keep the appearance stock. If you wanted >>>>> to go to the extreme, the discrete dolby circuit can >>>>> probably be upgraded using a newer NE545. I assume the level >>>>> tracking is >>>>> better with integrated circuits. You might also add mercury >>>>> whetted relays >>>>> in place of the head switch portion of the rec/ play switch, using the >>>>> original contacts to switch the relays. We modded a deck here with >>>>> a silver >>>>> face and black hardware, AND added the 600ii door. I've seen other >>>>> picturse of similar mods. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun May 28 08:56:02 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl again In-Reply-To: <4475CD16.2060806@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20060528065602.11169.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, The ZXL is using RC4559 for the pre-amp first stages and 4558 for almost all other areas - of different variants. You could use the OP279, which gave good results. But the 5532, despite its age, is a good sounding device. It is a wise choice. Antoine, you are mentioning the TTL series here. The CMOS variants have numbers starting with 4 with four digits. Usually, the front two characters vary with manufacturer. The ZXL used devices from NEC mostly. Direct replacement for the logic ICs are still available. I have used CMOS ICs from other makers and its worked well with this deck. The operating speed is still slow, so Trise and Tfall are not critical factors. I am so glad someone else is also coming with information on this wonderful machine. Its a turn the machine so well deserves! Regards Bala 79Labs Antoine Deschênes wrote: Well, you could suggest OPA2134 or OPA2228 as opamps. Do the CMOS switches have letters in their name like the TTL version (74LSxx, 74ACTxx, etc.)? If it's the case, you may have to keep the same model number if you can and the same brand. But that's only if they're used in circuits running at fast speeds, because the response time can vary between each chips. Few typos : Recor EQ board CAPs and ICs replacement list: Record is missing a d. It's polypropylene, not PolyPropilene. IC’s in the first paragraph - > ICs Title : Componet -> Component Luis Peromarta a écrit : > Dear all, > > I am putting together a site about the life and death of the 1000ZXL. > > Will update as time permits, but I'd be quite happy if you could > contribute with text, ideas or pics. > > http://peromarta.org/naks/1000ZXL.html > > Inputs and feedback most welcome. > > Best rgds, LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun May 28 01:38:03 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:38:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! Message-ID: <2D2ECD6A-DA89-418C-A305-19F2E74B98F9@alumni.caltech.edu> Oh. Either I missed it or in your original post it didn't say the $250 was the BIN price. When I went to look after reading it, it only said the bidding was at about $50. As far as the BIN price being $250, yes, I think it's ridiculous, but that's sort of the nature of the BIN price. I've paid $40ish for a (slightly used) Vertex, and maybe $20ish for some TDK-MAXG just to try it out, and $10-$20ish for Maxell MX-S. -kby From rob at rhoag.com Sun May 28 15:17:34 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 06:17:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! In-Reply-To: <2D2ECD6A-DA89-418C-A305-19F2E74B98F9@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: The BIN price of $250 was what I was amazed at and it's way more then the usual mark up seen for Ebay things, being about $63 a tape plus another way inflated shipping cost of about $15 to $20 for a UPS Ground package that should go for about $6 by Priority Mail, etc. I'm also amazed that people will pay over $15 for a metal cassette tape anyway, but, I've seen other amazing sales on Ebay... :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9730253223&ssPageName=ADM Cheers, Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! Oh. Either I missed it or in your original post it didn't say the $250 was the BIN price. When I went to look after reading it, it only said the bidding was at about $50. As far as the BIN price being $250, yes, I think it's ridiculous, but that's sort of the nature of the BIN price. I've paid $40ish for a (slightly used) Vertex, and maybe $20ish for some TDK-MAXG just to try it out, and $10-$20ish for Maxell MX-S. -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun May 28 17:49:29 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:49:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4479C689.1070402@xs4all.nl> For some reason Alan's mail got bounced.. Here it is: > Guys: > > As the lister of this auction AND a Nakamichi fanatic, I can't really > disagree that I too am amazed at what value the marketplace has placed on a > blank cassette tape. > > This auction was prompted by a good customer of mine who makes a very nice > supplemental income by visiting local thrift shops and buying throw-a-way > treasures for pennies ... and then auctioning this old tube > gear/collectibles on eBay. He mentioned that blank metal tapes were going > for nose bleed sums, so I checked it out. > > What is this stuff worth? Honestly, I have no idea, but as a firm believer > in the marketplace, eBay is probably the best barometer out there. > > In the meantime, I'm about 90% through a complete reconditioning of my > beloved ZX-7 and can't wait to get it back into service. Our tech has > replaced all rubber parts (I purchased last year from B+W in England) and > it's now my turn to deal with head/track alignment, bias, record/Pb level, > etc. > > It's sad to see the beginning of the end of great remaining products from > this once great company. Kudos to all that are keeping these vintage > products functioning. > > > Alan > aka "audio_man01" on eBay/Audiogon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 9:18 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! > > > The BIN price of $250 was what I was amazed at and it's way more then the > usual mark up seen for Ebay things, being about $63 a tape plus another way > inflated shipping cost of about $15 to $20 for a UPS Ground package that > should go for about $6 by Priority Mail, etc. I'm also amazed that people > will pay over $15 for a metal cassette tape anyway, but, I've seen other > amazing sales on Ebay... :-) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9730253223&ssPageName=ADM > > Cheers, > > Doane > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:38 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! > > > Oh. Either I missed it or in your original post it didn't say the > $250 was the BIN price. When I > went to look after reading it, it only said the bidding was at about > $50. > > As far as the BIN price being $250, yes, I think it's ridiculous, but > that's sort of the nature of the BIN > price. I've paid $40ish for a (slightly used) Vertex, and maybe > $20ish for some TDK-MAXG just to try it out, and $10-$20ish > for Maxell MX-S. > > -kby > From luis at peromarta.org Mon May 29 10:33:04 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:33:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Set of calibration tapes for sale. Message-ID: <447AB1C0.7060607@peromarta.org> Dear all, I have spent most of the weekend calibrating to perfection my CR7, using my set of Nakamichi Calibration Tapes. The deck just arrived a month ago from B&W in UK, so the deck was in very good shape, and only needed extremely little adjustment, using my Fluke 189 meter, and Philips dual channel oscilloscope. Using this deck, I have made 2 calibration tapes, using new TDK 70us tapes, as follow: Tape 1: side A: 30 min Level reference 400Hz 0dB Side B: 30 min 15KHz -20dB, azimuth tape, Tape 2: Side A: 30 min track alignemnt 1Khz 0dB Side B: 30 min wow and flutter 3KHz 0dB. Levels on the tape are constantly monitored during the recording proccess. The tapes are as good as can be, and I have tried them on my (also calibrated Dragon) and work as good as the originals. Tape 1 works just like the original, both level and azimuth, and render the adjustment to the same position as the originals. Tape 2 is slighty different. Track alignement should be used to obtain MAXIMUM (not minimum) readings at output terminal. This puts the deck in the same track alignement position as the original. Side B includes my own wow and flutter (very low) and should be used mostly to adjust speed, or detect severe wow & flutter problems. This is the next-best-thing to the (expensive and unavailable) Nakamichi originals, and a must have if you intend to do some adjustment on your deck. Anybody interested in these tapes, I can make more, the sooner the better, as the deck is in so great shape right now. Price is 60EUR, s&h to anywhere in Europe 5EUR, worldwide 10EUR. Anyone interested, please contact me off list. Best rgds, LP. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon May 29 12:24:07 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:24:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! Message-ID: Sure Doane!! - no it is insane that no-one grabbed it at the giveaway buy-it-now price!! Heh Heh!! But these beauties I would only use in my display in the listening room - some tapes, not just of ths pedigree - I have only a couple - or even "one" and those are reserved for display purposes. I once looked at a magnificent restored Jaguar S-Type (not the new one, but about a '65 model or so) and I impertinantly asked, "so how fast can it go?". The guy said, "Well, I suppose a hundred miles an hour or so. But it's academic anyway, because I would never do that". I've grown up since then. Now I fully understand the simple pleasure of "owning something good" and I realise that it has no relationship with either general market value or functionality. It satisfies a far higher and less intrinsic need. It has less to do with technology and more to do with civilisation. This marks the route where we have stepped - a significant milestone in our travels, indeed our travail. If one looks at this purchase as "recording media" then one misses the wood for the trees. For that, there are type IVs to be snapped up here and there that will all do the job. We once had on our list a collector of fine watches - I have no doubt that beautiful, rare, numbered pieces from Mido, Longines and Omega go for seemingly insane sums in their own corner of e-bay. However, the prices only seem insane because they pass my understanding. But I want to understand!!! And I will stand and listen to him until I do, because if there's one thing that I admire and value in my fellow human beings, it is "passion". We at naktalk have it and to me it is beyond the measure of rands, dollars and roubles (nice as they are!!). Have a great week all!! Marc >>> "Doane Hoag" 5/27/2006 6:42 PM >>> Well, I'm amazed, no one jumped on the $250 buy-it-now price, but it's up to $112 ($40 each) with eleven bids and one day left! No comments? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 29 14:48:35 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:48:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447AEDA3.4080405@rcn.com> Marc hugo wrote: > Sure Doane!! - no it is insane that no-one grabbed it at the giveaway buy-it-now price!! Heh Heh!! > > But these beauties I would only use in my display in the listening room - some tapes, not just of ths pedigree - I have only a couple - or even "one" and those are reserved for display purposes. I once looked at a magnificent restored Jaguar S-Type (not the new one, but about a '65 model or so) and I impertinantly asked, "so how fast can it go?". The guy said, "Well, I suppose a hundred miles an hour or so. But it's academic anyway, because I would never do that". I've grown up since then. Now I fully understand the simple pleasure of "owning something good" and I realise that it has no relationship with either general market value or functionality. It satisfies a far higher and less intrinsic need. It has less to do with technology and more to do with civilisation. This marks the route where we have stepped - a significant milestone in our travels, indeed our travail. > > If one looks at this purchase as "recording media" then one misses the wood for the trees. For that, there are type IVs to be snapped up here and there that will all do the job. > > We once had on our list a collector of fine watches - I have no doubt that beautiful, rare, numbered pieces from Mido, Longines and Omega go for seemingly insane sums in their own corner of e-bay. However, the prices only seem insane because they pass my understanding. But I want to understand!!! And I will stand and listen to him until I do, because if there's one thing that I admire and value in my fellow human beings, it is "passion". We at naktalk have it and to me it is beyond the measure of rands, dollars and roubles (nice as they are!!). > > Have a great week all!! > > Marc > > > >>>> "Doane Hoag" 5/27/2006 6:42 PM >>> > > Well, I'm amazed, no one jumped on the $250 buy-it-now price, but it's up to > $112 ($40 each) with eleven bids and one day left! > > No comments? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > I still have a small stock of TDK MA90 and MA110, plus a few SA90 and Maxell XL-II. Can't recall what they cost. Probably, a couple of bucks per metal cassette, a bit over half for the type II. I guess I lack the true collector's instinct. I simply fail to understand the pleasure of owning a Nakamichi cassette that is the equivalent of a TDK MA90, cost 25 times as much but is totally useless, since removing the wrapping will drastically reduce its value. I'd much rather buy 4 CDs or 8 LPs that I can listen to. Reminds me of a friend of mine; he owns an old postage stamp, worth $20,000, believe it or not!!! He won't even take it out to watch it -- says the light can harm it... He just enjoys the knowledge that he owns the useless thing. -- Ron From paulcar at caribsurf.com Mon May 29 15:16:05 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:16:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <447AF415.9060100@caribsurf.com> I have just got back to find that the BX300 that I bought and which was shipped to me had arrived from the US. The condition of the unit is very good and the playback of an IEC1976 tape was fine (upper limit was 10kHz). I had a tape I had made on another Nak and that was fine to 15kHZ but fell off above (it may have been due to the two head machine I recorded on). My next step was to do a frequency run with an oscillator fed into the recorder and a mV meter on the output. Meanwhile I decided to listen to a piano tape... when it got to the end it started switching from play to pause on its own and I could not get the eject control to work. I suspect the takeup spool might have stuck and caused a buildup of tape which has locked it in the play position. I have taken off the back (the inside is in pristine condition) and it seems to me the next step must be to remove the front panel? Any suggestions on the easiest way to get the tape out??? The unit was in use for about 90 minutes - I was very pleased the way things were going until this problem started! Regrds Paul From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 29 15:59:35 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:59:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <447AF415.9060100@caribsurf.com> References: <447AF415.9060100@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <447AFE47.9070005@rcn.com> Paul Carrington wrote: > I have just got back to find that the BX300 that I bought and which was > shipped to me had arrived from the US. The condition of the unit is > very good > and the playback of an IEC1976 tape was fine (upper limit was 10kHz). I > had a tape I had made on another Nak and that was fine to 15kHZ but > fell off above (it may have been due to the two head machine I recorded > on). My next step was to do a frequency run with an oscillator fed into > the recorder and a mV meter on the output. Meanwhile I decided to > listen to a piano tape... when it got to the end it started switching from > play to pause on its own and I could not get the eject control to work. > I suspect the takeup spool might have stuck and caused a buildup of tape > which has locked it in the play position. I have taken off the back > (the inside is in pristine condition) and it seems to me the next step > must be > to remove the front panel? > Any suggestions on the easiest way to get the tape out??? > The unit was in use for about 90 minutes - I was very pleased the way > things were going until this problem started! > > Regrds > Paul Once you switch the deck off and remove the top cover, you should be able to release the catch to open the cassette well (this will damage some tape) and remove the door. You should then be able to remove the cassette (place it aside to minimize amount of spilled tape) and release the tape that got stuck around the capstan. Reel the tape back into the cassette. It is possible (though not easy and only if you have a splicer) to cut out the damaged tape and splice the ends. The trouble occurred either because the take up capstan and/or pinch rollers and/or pinch roller arms are dirty or due to take up failure. The latter may be caused either because of a worn idler tire or because of a bad reel motor. The first thing to do is thoroughly clean capstans and pinch rollers; check pinch roller freedom of movement and arm pressure (clean and lubricate as necessary); check idler and hub mating surfaces (replace idler tire and/or clean as necessary); check take up torque during play (adjust or replace motor as necessary). In any case, for the next few days, use the deck with the door off. Good luck, -- Ron From paulcar at caribsurf.com Mon May 29 16:35:01 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:35:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <447AFE47.9070005@rcn.com> References: <447AF415.9060100@caribsurf.com> <447AFE47.9070005@rcn.com> Message-ID: <447B0695.1020500@caribsurf.com> I removed the bottom (which did not help) but I removed a plate which allowed better access to the pressure rollers and was able to disengage the tangled tape and reel it back (manually) into the cassette case (unfortunately this was the test tape I had made! but fortunately this is at the end when the response tones should have ceased). The problem is the pressure rollers are locked in the play position (even with the power off) and this stops the cassette from being removed - when I press the eject button, the lever operates in the cassette well but it cannot disengage the cassette holder. . When you switch on, initially the stop led lights but the eject switch does no operate, then the pause & play leds light and the stop goes out.. The motor turns, the pressure rollers turn etc..... I have to find out why the mechanics are locked in the play position even with the power switch is off ... I did not try removing the plug but will do so now... Regards Paul Ron wrote: > Paul Carrington wrote: > >> I have just got back to find that the BX300 that I bought and which >> was shipped to me had arrived from the US. The condition of the unit >> is very good >> and the playback of an IEC1976 tape was fine (upper limit was >> 10kHz). I had a tape I had made on another Nak and that was fine to >> 15kHZ but >> fell off above (it may have been due to the two head machine I >> recorded on). My next step was to do a frequency run with an >> oscillator fed into >> the recorder and a mV meter on the output. Meanwhile I decided to >> listen to a piano tape... when it got to the end it started switching >> from >> play to pause on its own and I could not get the eject control to >> work. I suspect the takeup spool might have stuck and caused a >> buildup of tape >> which has locked it in the play position. I have taken off the back >> (the inside is in pristine condition) and it seems to me the next >> step must be >> to remove the front panel? >> Any suggestions on the easiest way to get the tape out??? >> The unit was in use for about 90 minutes - I was very pleased the way >> things were going until this problem started! >> >> Regrds >> Paul > > > Once you switch the deck off and remove the top cover, you > should be able to release the catch to open the cassette > well (this will damage some tape) and remove the door. You > should then be able to remove the cassette (place it aside > to minimize amount of spilled tape) and release the tape > that got stuck around the capstan. Reel the tape back into > the cassette. It is possible (though not easy and only if > you have a splicer) to cut out the damaged tape and splice > the ends. > > The trouble occurred either because the take up capstan > and/or pinch rollers and/or pinch roller arms are dirty or > due to take up failure. The latter may be caused either > because of a worn idler tire or because of a bad reel > motor. > > The first thing to do is thoroughly clean capstans and > pinch rollers; check pinch roller freedom of movement and > arm pressure (clean and lubricate as necessary); check > idler and hub mating surfaces (replace idler tire and/or > clean as necessary); check take up torque during play > (adjust or replace motor as necessary). In any case, for > the next few days, use the deck with the door off. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon May 29 17:24:33 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:24:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <447B0695.1020500@caribsurf.com> References: <447AF415.9060100@caribsurf.com> <447AFE47.9070005@rcn.com> <447B0695.1020500@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <447B1231.8000701@yahoo.ca> Had this problem with both of my BX-2s (I NEVER want to get an other BX-series now.) When play and pause are lit it's some kind of "error" sign. If you are on pause for real, only pause is lit. If nothing moves, it means that the cam motor is stuck and needs a rebuild or there's a problem with solders. You can open the cover and turn the cam motor shaft a bit and the motor should be able to put the mechanism is stop position by itself. There's a dead spot on the motor and it needs a rebuild. It's quite easy to do. Antoine Paul Carrington a écrit : > I removed the bottom (which did not help) but I removed a plate which > allowed better access to the pressure rollers and was able to > disengage the tangled tape and reel it back (manually) into the > cassette case (unfortunately this was the test tape I had made! but > fortunately this is at the end when the response tones should have > ceased). The problem is the pressure rollers are locked > in the play position (even with the power off) and this stops the > cassette from being removed - when I press the eject button, the lever > operates in the cassette well but it cannot disengage the cassette > holder. . When you switch on, initially > the stop led lights but the eject switch does no operate, then the > pause & play leds light and the stop goes out.. The motor turns, the > pressure rollers turn > etc..... I have to find out why the mechanics are locked in the play > position even with the power switch is off ... I did not try > removing the plug but will do so now... > Regards > Paul > > Ron wrote: > >> Paul Carrington wrote: >> >>> I have just got back to find that the BX300 that I bought and which >>> was shipped to me had arrived from the US. The condition of the >>> unit is very good >>> and the playback of an IEC1976 tape was fine (upper limit was >>> 10kHz). I had a tape I had made on another Nak and that was fine to >>> 15kHZ but >>> fell off above (it may have been due to the two head machine I >>> recorded on). My next step was to do a frequency run with an >>> oscillator fed into >>> the recorder and a mV meter on the output. Meanwhile I decided to >>> listen to a piano tape... when it got to the end it started >>> switching from >>> play to pause on its own and I could not get the eject control to >>> work. I suspect the takeup spool might have stuck and caused a >>> buildup of tape >>> which has locked it in the play position. I have taken off the back >>> (the inside is in pristine condition) and it seems to me the next >>> step must be >>> to remove the front panel? >>> Any suggestions on the easiest way to get the tape out??? >>> The unit was in use for about 90 minutes - I was very pleased the >>> way things were going until this problem started! >>> >>> Regrds >>> Paul >> >> >> Once you switch the deck off and remove the top cover, you >> should be able to release the catch to open the cassette >> well (this will damage some tape) and remove the door. You >> should then be able to remove the cassette (place it aside >> to minimize amount of spilled tape) and release the tape >> that got stuck around the capstan. Reel the tape back into >> the cassette. It is possible (though not easy and only if >> you have a splicer) to cut out the damaged tape and splice >> the ends. >> >> The trouble occurred either because the take up capstan >> and/or pinch rollers and/or pinch roller arms are dirty or >> due to take up failure. The latter may be caused either >> because of a worn idler tire or because of a bad reel >> motor. >> >> The first thing to do is thoroughly clean capstans and >> pinch rollers; check pinch roller freedom of movement and >> arm pressure (clean and lubricate as necessary); check >> idler and hub mating surfaces (replace idler tire and/or >> clean as necessary); check take up torque during play >> (adjust or replace motor as necessary). In any case, for >> the next few days, use the deck with the door off. >> >> Good luck, >> >> -- Ron > From paulcar at caribsurf.com Mon May 29 17:23:10 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:23:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <447B11DE.3030004@caribsurf.com> I pulled the plug but it made no difference - the head assembly is still locked in the play position. Incidentally, where is the idler wheel in the BX300? I did get spare tyres but I have not been able to spot this idler wheel either on the machine or in the diagrams in the service manual..... do you have to remove a plate to see it? Regards Paul From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon May 29 18:40:52 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:40:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! Message-ID: Bravo Ron! It's like be INSANE!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! >Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:48:35 -0400 > >Marc hugo wrote: >>Sure Doane!! - no it is insane that no-one grabbed it at the giveaway >>buy-it-now price!! Heh Heh!! >> >>But these beauties I would only use in my display in the listening room - >>some tapes, not just of ths pedigree - I have only a couple - or even >>"one" and those are reserved for display purposes. I once looked at a >>magnificent restored Jaguar S-Type (not the new one, but about a '65 model >>or so) and I impertinantly asked, "so how fast can it go?". The guy said, >>"Well, I suppose a hundred miles an hour or so. But it's academic anyway, >>because I would never do that". I've grown up since then. Now I fully >>understand the simple pleasure of "owning something good" and I realise >>that it has no relationship with either general market value or >>functionality. It satisfies a far higher and less intrinsic need. It has >>less to do with technology and more to do with civilisation. This marks >>the route where we have stepped - a significant milestone in our travels, >>indeed our travail. >> >>If one looks at this purchase as "recording media" then one misses the >>wood for the trees. For that, there are type IVs to be snapped up here >>and there that will all do the job. >> >>We once had on our list a collector of fine watches - I have no doubt that >>beautiful, rare, numbered pieces from Mido, Longines and Omega go for >>seemingly insane sums in their own corner of e-bay. However, the prices >>only seem insane because they pass my understanding. But I want to >>understand!!! And I will stand and listen to him until I do, because if >>there's one thing that I admire and value in my fellow human beings, it is >>"passion". We at naktalk have it and to me it is beyond the measure of >>rands, dollars and roubles (nice as they are!!). >> >>Have a great week all!! >> >>Marc >> >> >> >>>>>"Doane Hoag" 5/27/2006 6:42 PM >>> >> >>Well, I'm amazed, no one jumped on the $250 buy-it-now price, but it's up >>to >>$112 ($40 each) with eleven bids and one day left! >> >>No comments? >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >>to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or >>more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the >>use of the named recipient/s. >> >>If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, >>disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any >>action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please >>email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it >>and all attachments from your computer. >> >>All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are >>present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any >>loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. >> > >I still have a small stock of TDK MA90 and MA110, plus a >few SA90 and Maxell XL-II. Can't recall what they cost. >Probably, a couple of bucks per metal cassette, a bit over >half for the type II. > >I guess I lack the true collector's instinct. I simply fail >to understand the pleasure of owning a Nakamichi cassette >that is the equivalent of a TDK MA90, cost 25 times as much >but is totally useless, since removing the wrapping will >drastically reduce its value. I'd much rather buy 4 CDs or >8 LPs that I can listen to. Reminds me of a friend of mine; >he owns an old postage stamp, worth $20,000, believe it or >not!!! He won't even take it out to watch it -- says the >light can harm it... He just enjoys the knowledge that he >owns the useless thing. > >-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paulcar at caribsurf.com Mon May 29 21:17:42 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:17:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <447B48D6.5010201@caribsurf.com> ASntoine, The main cam is turning and now that the tape is cut and manually returned to the cassette that is trapped, you can see the pressure rollers turning whe you press play. ...The reason why the assembly is in the play position (with or without power) may because the control motor is jammed but I cannot get at the worm of that ring gear to try to turn it.... It looks like it would be necessary to remove the motor and that looks like a major undertaking - is there any easy way Regards Paul From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 29 22:46:28 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:46:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <447B11DE.3030004@caribsurf.com> References: <447B11DE.3030004@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <447B5DA4.4010507@rcn.com> Paul Carrington wrote: > I pulled the plug but it made no difference - the head assembly is still > locked in the play position. > Incidentally, where is the idler wheel in the BX300? I did get spare > tyres but I have not been able to spot this idler wheel either on the > machine or > in the diagrams in the service manual..... do you have to remove a plate > to see it? > > Regards > Paul Your control motor is stuck at or near the Play position. Power the deck, push Stop and help the control motor manually, until the deck goes to the Stop position. There is a black metal plate in back of the cassette well, held in place by two tiny screws. The idler is right behind it. Read up on how to replace the tire, or you'll do damage. -- Ron From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue May 30 00:11:36 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:11:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL F/S Message-ID: Heres a mint 1000ZXL for 995 british pounds. Thought some of you might be interested. I have no idea whatsoever if the unit is still available. -- From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 30 01:24:15 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 00:24:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL F/S In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nice but the price is OTT, IMHO. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jerryjg Sent: 29 May 2006 23:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL F/S Heres a mint 1000ZXL for 995 british pounds. Thought some of you might be interested. I have no idea whatsoever if the unit is still available. -- From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue May 30 01:52:00 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:52:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <4477782C.6050503@yahoo.ca> References: <3.0.3.32.20060526103428.00826540@earthlink.net> <44776BCF.8080301@woods-and-waters.com> <4477782C.6050503@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <447B8920.70208@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > There's always the common belief that Schottky diodes instead of the > silicon ones can help for the rectifier, but I don't know if there are > really any effects. Some persons are recommending using ultrafast Schottky diodes, even in heavy duty rectifiers, claiming this improves the sound. The theory is because these diodes are so fast their recovery time is inherently shorter compared to typical, slower silicon rectifier diodes, thus, their noise floor is lower. Others dissent to this view, saying that while speed is no doubt good, Schottky diodes do not offer the current-handling capabilities of rectifier diodes. Worse, their voltage ratings are not anywhere near those of rectifier diodes. Nelson Pass states emphatically that classic heavy duty bridge rectifiers produce better results than ultra-fast Schottky diode rectifiers. My experience is the same as Nelson Pass’s, but I’ve found that high-current HEXFRED diodes offer the current davantages of standard rectifier diodes with the fast recoveryy advantages of Schottky. Best of both world. Try using HEXFREDs in your Nak’s power supply, and I think you’ll like the difference. I just put some HEXFREDs in my silver 600. Wow. 3 dB quieter and better bass definition. > Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > >> Hey Tom, >> >> Groovy mod ideas. I'll use those transistors to match up some new >> ones. May have to rebias the amps but that's easily done. >> >> I love the peak indicator idea! Very, very cool. The deck would get >> "angry" when you overmod the levels. Gives the deck some attitude. I >> like decks with attitude. >> >> Yes, hardwiring the Dolby board is something I end up doing to all my >> Naks. Both my 550s have that mod and I did it to a friend's 550. By >> the way, I did that on a customer's 700 (back in 1977 when they were >> new) and the mod got me fired from my first service job because >> Nakamichi didn't authorize hardwiring the circuit boards. > > Sigh! That was my reaction, albeit not as politely expressed.... >> >> I'm too chicken to solder the head cables. Bawk bawk bawk.... >> >> Metal film resistors are planned. I'm using Vishays. Know of a quieter >> make? > > Holco? Same thing. Vishay bought out Holco, I've been told (by a Holco representative locally). >> >> Hi Tech wrote: >> >>> Kermit, >>> 2SC1000 and 2SA493 were the best lo noise transistors in the day. You >>> might begin there for comparison. I'm sure the head amp resistors will >>> benefit from metal film types. My favorite mod would be to hardwire the >>> dolby board, and the head cable connectors if you dare. It might be >>> fun to >>> add a peak level led above the rec. meters. It would add a red glow when >>> levels are exceeded, but keep the appearance stock. If you wanted >>> to go to the extreme, the discrete dolby circuit can >>> probably be upgraded using a newer NE545. I assume the level >>> tracking is >>> better with integrated circuits. You might also add mercury whetted >>> relays >>> in place of the head switch portion of the rec/ play switch, using the >>> original contacts to switch the relays. We modded a deck here with a >>> silver >>> face and black hardware, AND added the 600ii door. I've seen other >>> picturse of similar mods. > > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue May 30 01:54:32 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:54:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: <20060526220814.26733.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060526220814.26733.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <447B89B8.2030809@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mike, LENA WONG wrote: > Hi Kermit: > I have replaced most of the electrolytic caps on the power > supply section with Nichicon Muse series of caps on my Nak 582 and so > far they seem to behave fine ( around two years since I put them on ). I > cannot comment on other series of Capactors from Nichicon though. I'll try the Muse. Trust me -- their other capacitors are inferior. I'm not too fond of Pa(i)nasonic either, except for the low-voltage types (less than 25 WVDC), which are actually really nice and inexpensive. > At the same time, you can visit Scott Johnson's website and > inside Scott has captured a lot of thoughts about mod from Stephen Sank. > You might know about all these already. Already got the info from Scott's site. Good info. > Mike > > */"Kermit V. Gray" /* wrote: > > Hi mike, > > LENA WONG wrote: > > Kemit and Doane: > > Nichicon Muse capacitors are good choice as > > well. They are audio grade caps and probably not that far behind the > > famous Black-Gate caps. > > Well, I'll consider it, but every amp I've ever made using Nichicon > caps > came back under warranty because the Nichicon caps went open. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording > and > pro audio info! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue May 30 01:56:04 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:56:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447B8A14.9090404@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Nelson wrote: > Funny you should mention this. > > I once bought three "virtual batteries" from the now-defunct company, Radar > Developments. > I also found that they didn't make the slightest difference to my Pioneer > CT-S830S cassette deck or any of my Naks - presumably, they all have better > supplied PSU than the old Aiwa AD1800 ... or may be the Aiwa needed new > capacitors ... I think the Aiwa needed new capacitors. > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray > Sent: 26 May 2006 04:18 > To: lenaw > Cc: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. > > > Hi Mike, > > lenaw wrote: > >>Kermit: >> You can start with doing some high-frequency bypass on your power >>supply to see whether it can improve the sound quality of your machine. >>Increase the capacitor value in the regulated power supply section as > > well. > > Oops. This comes under the heading of "I should have thought of that but > didn't." Very good idea. > > Has anyone on the list increased the capacitor value in their deck's > power supply? If so how much extra capacitance did you add? > > > -----Original Message----- > >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>Of Kermit V. Gray >>Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:59 PM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: [naktalk] Advice sought on my next Nak-a-project. > > > > >>Today, though, I'm in the mood to mod. Yep, I think I'd enjoy >>hot-rodding the silver 600. My other Naks are black-faced, and seeing >>that this is the lone silver 600 I want to do something special with it. >> >>Therefore, I'm looking for some great ideas for tweaks and mods. Any >>suggestions? >> >>Along the same lines, one thing I'd like to do to it is replace the >>transistors with some that are of lower intrinsic noise. Does anyone >>know of any low noise substitues, or of a good guide that would let me >>figure out low noise substitutes for the 600's transistor complement? >>I'm principally interested in the transistors in the playback amp and >>record amp. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From paulcar at caribsurf.com Tue May 30 02:00:44 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:00:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Capstan Belt OC80634A Message-ID: <447B8B2C.3060201@caribsurf.com> Naks, I recall correspondence re availability of belts but I cant recall the source for getting two... Is it Scott? Regards Paul From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue May 30 02:03:09 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:03:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed: 680zx Message-ID: OK, I have a 680ZX that has some problems that I'm trying to troubleshoot. I had hoped they were all one problem, but it doesn't look like it. First, the known symptom list: 1. No signal visible on the meters, although there is often a very faint glow of all segments when in "source" mode (cal switch position doesn't matter--no inputs at the moment). 2. No signal placed on the tape, although it appears at the output jacks at the correct level in "source" mode (analogous in "cal" mode) 3. Only a very faint signal on playback--MAYBE as if "cue" mode were stuck on? Some relevant stuff that does seem to work: 1. "Cal" switch does change the display scale. 2. Test tone observed at proper level at output jacks in Cal/source mode. Some measurements which seem relevant: 1. "Rec" signal (values aroudn Q304/Main PCB) seem OK 2. Test point values 90mv (100mv is spec) (TP 101/201 main pcb on cal tone) Current signal I know is wrong and would like some hints on: The "mute" signal (collecto Q418 logic PCB) doesn't ever go low when switching to play. My schematic reading skills aren't good enough to figure what's supposed to make it go low. I think I figured out the connection to the D-flipflop IC413 logic pcb seems only relevant for for cue mode. Collector of Q418 it's connection to R481 (the mute signal) is pretty much +12. The other side of R481 (330k; measured OK) is -12 as expected (it's tied more or less to the -12 rail). Suggestions? Thanks in advance...-kby From lb61 at optonline.net Tue May 30 03:19:17 2006 From: lb61 at optonline.net (mario) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:19:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Gear Drive Upgrade Message-ID: <447B9D95.3060300@optonline.net> Does anyone know at which serial number MR-1, Nakamichi began shipping with Gear Drives as opposed to rubber wheel for FF / RW from the factory? From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue May 30 09:39:06 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 00:39:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] bulb issues; some other additions Message-ID: <1CE733D9-1BAB-43AA-9CD3-775A2AC72513@alumni.caltech.edu> Scott, I noted with interest the stop bulb issue on the 480 you mentioned in your FAQ. I don't think it's my 680zx issue judging from the schemo but I should try. I ran into a similar issue on a 700zxl. The logic doesn't work properly if too many of the "ABCD" tape memory bulbs are burned out (like all of them). I think you need at least one that's NOT on to work--some transients appear to have to drain off to switch some of the gates. As to units with azimuth adjust, the 700 II and I would presume the 1000 II have a manual record head adjust with a 2-LED beacon that is supposed to blink equally when the RH is aligned (the screw is a user-adjustable knob). -kby From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue May 30 10:14:20 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:14:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] bulb issues; some other additions Message-ID: Hi Kimo! You wrote...>As to units with azimuth adjust, the 700 II and I would presume the >1000 II have a manual record head adjust with a 2-LED beacon that is >supposed to blink >equally when the RH is aligned (the screw is a user-adjustable knob).< YES...when blink alternativly...(If you want to be 100% perfectionist)...do it slowly & wait till both are blinking equaly...presuming that NEVER somebody touch the heads alignment!!! Be well, ALEX! >From: "Kimo B. Yap" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: p9019 at yahoo.com >CC: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] bulb issues; some other additions >Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 00:39:06 -0700 > >Scott, >I noted with interest the stop bulb issue on the 480 you mentioned in your >FAQ. I don't think it's my 680zx issue judging from the schemo but I >should try. I ran >into a similar issue on a 700zxl. The logic doesn't work properly if too >many of the "ABCD" tape memory bulbs are burned out (like all of them). I >think you need at >least one that's NOT on to work--some transients appear to have to drain >off to switch some of the gates. > >As to units with azimuth adjust, the 700 II and I would presume the 1000 >II have a manual record head adjust with a 2-LED beacon that is supposed >to blink >equally when the RH is aligned (the screw is a user-adjustable knob). > >-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue May 30 10:48:41 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:48:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 3 x Nak ZX for $250!!! Message-ID: Sorry - something wrong with my mail send options!! Howzit Doane. Good debate. Of course, at this price, I assuming that any buyer out there is not very likely to actually record on these Nak ZX tapes. I could be wrong. But at this sort of price, I suspected a buyer would be a collector. And collections are about intrinsic value. As a consequence, this is not about tapes, watches or any "thing" per se, really. Beauty (if beauty is imortant to a person) is something that is unavoidably in the eye of the beholder. The same applies to "perfection" and all those vague, subjective qualities we like to attach to value. It's not really a quantative thing like counting smarties in a box. The level of human thinking that centres on possessing something rare cannot be tallied up against something else of a different nature that is also possessed or collected. One cannot assess the relative merits of the "thing" in assessing the value because the value that attaches to it is intangible. To compare a Renoir with a Penny Black, a Rolex Oyster with a set of vintage scuba gear is all nebulous. I mention Rolex because I have one, can't bear it (weights a ton) and wouldn't give you a zak for another one. It depends on what value the buyer places on it. "alan / audiogone" ecapsulated it when he referred to ebay as a barometer of value. Sure it is - like Sothbeys etc. We think the price is high, but the guy at Sothbeys will ask you me why I say so. And I would stammer out things like "....but...but.. it's only for recording music...and...um..it only cost five dollars when it came out". And he will say, "well sir, the Penny Black only cost a penny when it first came out and it's only a postage stamp." I think you're probably right about it's recording characteristics though (if you do get to actually using it) - TDK MA evolved several times since the Nak ZX tapes were discontinued, so it follows that this one would have been developed too if Nak had stayed in the tape game. TDK MA balance (esp. relative sensitivity) moved towards the "bright side" of the IEC reference, so it's likely that the ZX will be a highly compatible metal with more modern decks including Nakamichi. By the way, I have one of those TEAC tapes, as well as an Austrian tape of very similar design but with gold reels (a chrome). Kind wishes, Marc >>> "Doane Hoag" 5/29/2006 8:19 PM >>> LOL.. a cassette tape is not a fine watch, or anything else that has perfection in looks, as well as quality, it's just an excellent metal cassette tape. I can see some interest in some of the more interesting looking and unusual tapes of the past going for more money, like the Teac ones that looked like small reel to reel tapes, they look really cool in a deck for display purposes, better then the Nak tape, although they probably aren't as good at recording. But no matter that the quality of the ZX tape is excellent, I don't really think it would beat out any modern metal tape, and it is not really unusual in any other way, but, I guess the status of the name is enough for some people and relates it to the decks them selves! Cheers Doane -----Original Message----- From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 3:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com; rob at rhoag.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! Sure Doane!! - no it is insane that no-one grabbed it at the giveaway buy-it-now price!! Heh Heh!! But these beauties I would only use in my display in the listening room - some tapes, not just of ths pedigree - I have only a couple - or even "one" and those are reserved for display purposes. I once looked at a magnificent restored Jaguar S-Type (not the new one, but about a '65 model or so) and I impertinantly asked, "so how fast can it go?". The guy said, "Well, I suppose a hundred miles an hour or so. But it's academic anyway, because I would never do that". I've grown up since then. Now I fully understand the simple pleasure of "owning something good" and I realise that it has no relationship with either general market value or functionality. It satisfies a far higher and less intrinsic need. It has less to do with technology and more to do with civilisation. This marks the route where we have stepped - a significant milestone in our travels, indeed our travail. If one looks at this purchase as "recording media" then one misses the wood for the trees. For that, there are type IVs to be snapped up here and there that will all do the job. We once had on our list a collector of fine watches - I have no doubt that beautiful, rare, numbered pieces from Mido, Longines and Omega go for seemingly insane sums in their own corner of e-bay. However, the prices only seem insane because they pass my understanding. But I want to understand!!! And I will stand and listen to him until I do, because if there's one thing that I admire and value in my fellow human beings, it is "passion". We at naktalk have it and to me it is beyond the measure of rands, dollars and roubles (nice as they are!!). Have a great week all!! Marc >>> "Doane Hoag" 5/27/2006 6:42 PM >>> Well, I'm amazed, no one jumped on the $250 buy-it-now price, but it's up to $112 ($40 each) with eleven bids and one day left! No comments? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising >>> "Doane Hoag" 5/29/2006 8:19 PM >>> LOL.. a cassette tape is not a fine watch, or anything else that has perfection in looks, as well as quality, it's just an excellent metal cassette tape. I can see some interest in some of the more interesting looking and unusual tapes of the past going for more money, like the Teac ones that looked like small reel to reel tapes, they look really cool in a deck for display purposes, better then the Nak tape, although they probably aren't as good at recording. But no matter that the quality of the ZX tape is excellent, I don't really think it would beat out any modern metal tape, and it is not really unusual in any other way, but, I guess the status of the name is enough for some people and relates it to the decks them selves! Cheers Doane -----Original Message----- From: Marc hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 3:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com; rob at rhoag.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a Deal! 3 ZX-C9's for only $250!!! Sure Doane!! - no it is insane that no-one grabbed it at the giveaway buy-it-now price!! Heh Heh!! But these beauties I would only use in my display in the listening room - some tapes, not just of ths pedigree - I have only a couple - or even "one" and those are reserved for display purposes. I once looked at a magnificent restored Jaguar S-Type (not the new one, but about a '65 model or so) and I impertinantly asked, "so how fast can it go?". The guy said, "Well, I suppose a hundred miles an hour or so. But it's academic anyway, because I would never do that". I've grown up since then. Now I fully understand the simple pleasure of "owning something good" and I realise that it has no relationship with either general market value or functionality. It satisfies a far higher and less intrinsic need. It has less to do with technology and more to do with civilisation. This marks the route where we have stepped - a significant milestone in our travels, indeed our travail. If one looks at this purchase as "recording media" then one misses the wood for the trees. For that, there are type IVs to be snapped up here and there that will all do the job. We once had on our list a collector of fine watches - I have no doubt that beautiful, rare, numbered pieces from Mido, Longines and Omega go for seemingly insane sums in their own corner of e-bay. However, the prices only seem insane because they pass my understanding. But I want to understand!!! And I will stand and listen to him until I do, because if there's one thing that I admire and value in my fellow human beings, it is "passion". We at naktalk have it and to me it is beyond the measure of rands, dollars and roubles (nice as they are!!). Have a great week all!! Marc >>> "Doane Hoag" 5/27/2006 6:42 PM >>> Well, I'm amazed, no one jumped on the $250 buy-it-now price, but it's up to $112 ($40 each) with eleven bids and one day left! 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All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Tue May 30 12:21:36 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:21:36 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassette decks part XXIV.. the return of... Message-ID: <003101c683d2$d563dbe0$0201a8c0@lan> Kimo, Not wishing to labour a point, and a bit late in the piece, but I need to clarify my original post, and clear up any misunderstandings.. "..What I thought I read from your post was that "the 197x Nak 610 compared favorably against the 199x [Marantz, Sony, etc.].." It is the combination of the Nakamichi 610 preamp and 620 power amp, but that is basically correct... "..The point I was trying to make was that I agree with that statement, but I wanted to supply a missing statement to the effect of "the 197x [Marantz, Sony, etc.]" compares favorabily against the 199x [Marantz, Sony, etc.]." Speaking in general terms, of course..." I don't know about that, and there was no missing statement on my part. How mid 70's Marantz's etc compared to their '90's offerings wasn't relevant to my situation. To put it simply I was in the same situation as anyone looking to upgrade a piece of HiFi. What I owned and was familiar with was my reference point, and was the basis against which the potential shiny new purchase had to improve upon.i.e. I had the opportunity to 'upgrade' my mid 70's Nak 610/620 to the best and latest that our shop was selling ( not a Nakamichi in sight...), but after a bit of a listen I didn't choose to. I guess all I was trying to say was that I was impressed by the 'sound' of the 610/620, when compared to what was 'touted' as the best available some 15 years later. Though I did then and still do 'love' the sound of the 610/620, I did not appreciate how good this pair was until that point in time. To be true to your statement above, I should have been comparing the 610/620 to the CA5/PA5. "..It just comes across to me that the reason your 197x Nak compares favorably to the 199x [name your brand] is more because it was built in 197x than because it's a Nak..." ?????? does not compute....it is about 'sound', nothing else.. ".. Your comment about not knowing their later stuff party hints at that being a suspicion you might hold." I could not and cannot comment on the later Nakamichi amp offerings such as the CA5/PA5, IA amps, TA receivers etc, quite simply because I have not had the opportunity to ever use or listen to them, so have no point of reference as to how they may 'sound'. .. one day maybe .. "..Thus, I thought the question asked about brand differentials.." No, it was about sound differentials..or the surprising lack of.. "... whereas I thought your comparison was more of an explanation of time differentials." There was no time travel involved, inferred, or implied.. :o) People 'wax lyrical' at great length about Nakamichi cassette decks, but little is said about their amplification.. and I just wished to say that I thought that their amps deserved as much 'kudos' as is conferred on the tape decks. :o) Cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue May 30 13:33:59 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:33:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Are other Nak products as good as their cassette decks part XXIV.. the return of... Message-ID: Hi Martin, I too have not closely followed this so I'm possibly off the original point. What I have noticed is that brands vary quite a lot quality wise within, say, a range of integrated amps from one company in the same year; could be a range of tuners or a range of something else. One is great, two are so-so and the fourth is worth avoiding for some clear technical reason. It sure can be like that. For instance, Three or so years ago, NAD simultaneously released the C320 and C340 integrateds. The smaller one was made in malaysia and featured a sizable toroidal transformer, and the bigger C340 was made in mainland China and had a mainstream frame type transformer. Both were fine and sounded good, but the smaller one could handle a pair of very disagreeable Ruarks, current wise, when the bigger one ran out of puff and started to clip. Over the years there have been quite a few changes in standards from one company to the next. On Nakamichi, I do recall their "Stasis" amps were very well respected. Speaking of amps, you mentioned Plinius. I have had the pleasure of listening to one of these magnificent pre-power combinations through a pair of Acoustic Energy AE1s - the metal driver ones. Wow!! There are great solid state amps out there, certainly, but these are in the top league. And from New Zealand too - great talking point!! Cheers - Marc >>> shorty at nznet.gen.nz 5/30/2006 12:21 PM >>> Kimo, Not wishing to labour a point, and a bit late in the piece, but I need to clarify my original post, and clear up any misunderstandings.. "..What I thought I read from your post was that "the 197x Nak 610 compared favorably against the 199x [Marantz, Sony, etc.].." It is the combination of the Nakamichi 610 preamp and 620 power amp, but that is basically correct... "..The point I was trying to make was that I agree with that statement, but I wanted to supply a missing statement to the effect of "the 197x [Marantz, Sony, etc.]" compares favorabily against the 199x [Marantz, Sony, etc.]." Speaking in general terms, of course..." I don't know about that, and there was no missing statement on my part. How mid 70's Marantz's etc compared to their '90's offerings wasn't relevant to my situation. To put it simply I was in the same situation as anyone looking to upgrade a piece of HiFi. What I owned and was familiar with was my reference point, and was the basis against which the potential shiny new purchase had to improve upon.i.e. I had the opportunity to 'upgrade' my mid 70's Nak 610/620 to the best and latest that our shop was selling ( not a Nakamichi in sight...), but after a bit of a listen I didn't choose to. I guess all I was trying to say was that I was impressed by the 'sound' of the 610/620, when compared to what was 'touted' as the best available some 15 years later. Though I did then and still do 'love' the sound of the 610/620, I did not appreciate how good this pair was until that point in time. To be true to your statement above, I should have been comparing the 610/620 to the CA5/PA5. "..It just comes across to me that the reason your 197x Nak compares favorably to the 199x [name your brand] is more because it was built in 197x than because it's a Nak..." ?????? does not compute....it is about 'sound', nothing else.. ".. Your comment about not knowing their later stuff party hints at that being a suspicion you might hold." I could not and cannot comment on the later Nakamichi amp offerings such as the CA5/PA5, IA amps, TA receivers etc, quite simply because I have not had the opportunity to ever use or listen to them, so have no point of reference as to how they may 'sound'. .. one day maybe .. "..Thus, I thought the question asked about brand differentials.." No, it was about sound differentials..or the surprising lack of.. "... whereas I thought your comparison was more of an explanation of time differentials." There was no time travel involved, inferred, or implied.. :o) People 'wax lyrical' at great length about Nakamichi cassette decks, but little is said about their amplification.. and I just wished to say that I thought that their amps deserved as much 'kudos' as is conferred on the tape decks. :o) Cheers, Martin The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From timbarrett at cox.net Tue May 30 15:19:49 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:19:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed: 680zx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447C4675.7040908@cox.net> I've not run into this selection of symptoms before, but when faced with multiple odd problems in an instrument the first thing I look for is power supply problems. I recommend that you verify that all sections of the power supply working properly before going further. I do know that the logic circuitry of the 680 can be intimidating to figure out, it's just not intuitive to me. Tim Kimo B. Yap wrote: > OK, I have a 680ZX that has some problems that I'm trying to > troubleshoot. I had hoped they were all one problem, but it doesn't > look like it. > First, the known symptom list: > > 1. No signal visible on the meters, although there is often a very > faint glow of all segments when in "source" mode (cal switch position > doesn't matter--no inputs at the moment). > 2. No signal placed on the tape, although it appears at the output > jacks at the correct level in "source" mode (analogous in "cal" mode) > 3. Only a very faint signal on playback--MAYBE as if "cue" mode were > stuck on? > > Some relevant stuff that does seem to work: > > 1. "Cal" switch does change the display scale. > 2. Test tone observed at proper level at output jacks in Cal/source mode. > > Some measurements which seem relevant: > > 1. "Rec" signal (values aroudn Q304/Main PCB) seem OK > 2. Test point values 90mv (100mv is spec) (TP 101/201 main pcb on cal > tone) > > Current signal I know is wrong and would like some hints on: > > The "mute" signal (collecto Q418 logic PCB) doesn't ever go low when > switching to play. My schematic reading skills aren't good enough > to figure what's supposed to make it go low. I think I figured out the > connection to the D-flipflop IC413 logic pcb seems only relevant for > for cue mode. > > Collector of Q418 it's connection to R481 (the mute signal) is pretty > much +12. The other side of R481 (330k; measured OK) is -12 > as expected (it's tied more or less to the -12 rail). > > Suggestions? Thanks in advance...-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From paulcar at caribsurf.com Tue May 30 15:35:07 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:35:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <447C4A0B.3090700@caribsurf.com> Antoine and Brandon, This morning when I switched on, the tape ejected altho I did not see any movement of the nylon gears on the control motor which I was trying to assist.. However, with the casssette removed, I switched from play to stop several times and it operated okay......So what do you think caused the problem and is it likely to happen agiain? What Can I do to avoid it? Next will be the replacement of the tyre! Regards Paul From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue May 30 17:18:57 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:18:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <447C4A0B.3090700@caribsurf.com> References: <447C4A0B.3090700@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <447C6261.7030209@yahoo.ca> Ron told me that you shouldn't have any problems to move the worm gear of the control motor on the BX-300. The problem is that on the commutator of the control motor, there are dead spots. The motor can't start if a brush is on one of these spots. When you move the worm gear, you turn the shaft a bit and it can run again. It may work a couple of times correctly after that, as long as it doesn't start on the spot. To fix this, you need to remove the control motor, open it, clean the commutator and re-install it. With a new idler, could you look if there's enough torque on the drive motor? If not, you might need to rebuild this one too... A lot of hassle I know. I had to do this on my BX-2, just to see that there's a problem that probably can't be fixed with it. (Pinch roller holder shaft looks bent) Paul Carrington a écrit : > Antoine and Brandon, > > This morning when I switched on, the tape ejected altho I did not see > any movement of the nylon gears on the control motor which I was > trying to assist.. However, with the casssette removed, I switched > from play to stop several times and it operated okay......So what do > you think caused the problem and is it likely to happen agiain? What > Can I do to avoid it? > Next will be the replacement of the tyre! > Regards > Paul From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 30 17:43:41 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:43:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <447C4A0B.3090700@caribsurf.com> References: <447C4A0B.3090700@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <447C682D.3070606@rcn.com> Paul Carrington wrote: > Antoine and Brandon, > > This morning when I switched on, the tape ejected altho I did not see > any movement of the nylon gears on the control motor which I was trying > to assist.. Bizarre... > However, with the casssette removed, I switched from play to > stop several times and it operated okay......So what do you think caused > the problem and is it likely to happen agiain? Obviously, the problem was caused by failure of the cam to move. This could be caused by failure of the motor itself (fairly common); if so, it will happen again. The cure is repair or replacement of the motor. It is also conceivable something got lodged in the worm gear, though I have never seen or heard of this happening. Another possibility is dirt/corrosion of one of the 3 control contacts. I suggest you clean the contacts (spray a drop of contact cleaner), clean and lubricate the worm gear and continue to use the deck. -- Ron > What Can I do to avoid it? > Next will be the replacement of the tyre! > Regards > Paul From N4229K at aol.com Tue May 30 20:28:03 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:28:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <382.421ffa7.31ade8b3@aol.com> Hi >From my experience it just could have been some dirt in the motor may not happen for a while if ever. I would give it another try. If you need a tire I have them in stock for $2.50 plus shipping for Naks.com members only. Let me know Dean In a message dated 5/30/2006 1:56:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: Paul Carrington wrote: > Antoine and Brandon, > > This morning when I switched on, the tape ejected altho I did not see > any movement of the nylon gears on the control motor which I was trying > to assist.. Bizarre... > However, with the casssette removed, I switched from play to > stop several times and it operated okay......So what do you think caused > the problem and is it likely to happen agiain? Obviously, the problem was caused by failure of the cam to move. This could be caused by failure of the motor itself (fairly common); if so, it will happen again. The cure is repair or replacement of the motor. It is also conceivable something got lodged in the worm gear, though I have never seen or heard of this happening. Another possibility is dirt/corrosion of one of the 3 control contacts. I suggest you clean the contacts (spray a drop of contact cleaner), clean and lubricate the worm gear and continue to use the deck. -- Ron > What Can I do to avoid it? > Next will be the replacement of the tyre! > Regards > Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Tue May 30 20:32:52 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:32:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Capstan Belt OC80634A Message-ID: <3ad.32193f9.31ade9d4@aol.com> Hi I do have some belts for a BX-300 or I can pick up a new one at PRB next week and mail it to you then Thanks Dean Sanborn In a message dated 5/30/2006 3:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: Naks, I recall correspondence re availability of belts but I cant recall the source for getting two... Is it Scott? Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue May 30 20:51:52 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Rubber tires for classic Nak transport In-Reply-To: <382.421ffa7.31ade8b3@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060530185152.23740.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dean I have been reading your mails and thanks for doing a lot to get some of the rubber parts for Naks. I need two tires for the Classic nak transport( 582 / Dragon) as I have one of the removed assembly with me that needs a tire. Secondly I need nak part 0C08096 replacement from PRB to try out. If you could let me know your paypal id, I can send you the amount asap. thanks and regards kannan N4229K at aol.com wrote: Hi From my experience it just could have been some dirt in the motor may not happen for a while if ever. I would give it another try. If you need a tire I have them in stock for $2.50 plus shipping for Naks.com members only. Let me know Dean In a message dated 5/30/2006 1:56:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: Paul Carrington wrote: > Antoine and Brandon, > > This morning when I switched on, the tape ejected altho I did not see > any movement of the nylon gears on the control motor which I was trying > to assist.. Bizarre... > However, with the casssette removed, I switched from play to > stop several times and it operated okay......So what do you think caused > the problem and is it likely to happen agiain? Obviously, the problem was caused by failure of the cam to move. This could be caused by failure of the motor itself (fairly common); if so, it will happen again. The cure is repair or replacement of the motor. It is also conceivable something got lodged in the worm gear, though I have never seen or heard of this happening. Another possibility is dirt/corrosion of one of the 3 control contacts. I suggest you clean the contacts (spray a drop of contact cleaner), clean and lubricate the worm gear and continue to use the deck. -- Ron > What Can I do to avoid it? > Next will be the replacement of the tyre! > Regards > Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-Phone. Get Yahoo! Messenger with Voice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue May 30 20:54:28 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: <44738245.5020601@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20060530185428.99317.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Scott we are waiting for your evaluation report of this ? Kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Scott, Did you try the FRM9.2 belt? I'm curious about the results and I suppose others are too! Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm finishing up the refurb of my ZX-7. I've replaced the control > belt with SCQ4.8, shut-off belt with SCY9.0 and idler tire with one > from Dean. Original pinch rollers look good after 7 swab with > Intraclean S711. This morning I got a FRM9.2 belt for the capstan, > but, before I replace that one I'm going to check the wow & flutter > before and again after to see if the FRM9.2 belt is indeed > compatible. On my web site > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html I say that this > belt needs to be spot on and highly recommend that the original > OC08096C belt be used or increased wow & flutter will result. > > Has anyone tried this belt and done measurements before and after? > > BTW - wow & flutter measurements will be taken with a genuine Nak > test tape and a Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Tue May 30 21:09:58 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:09:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Rubber tires for classic Nak transport Message-ID: <425.2d36236.31adf286@aol.com> Is that the capstan belt for the 582? PRB number FRM9.2. I have tires on the way from manufacturer also. Tires are $2.50 each and the belt is whatever I pay for it. So I can let you know when I pickup next week and you can pay me then at my PayPal acct _n4229k at aol.com_ (mailto:n4229k at aol.com) Where are you located? Regards, Dean In a message dated 5/30/2006 2:53:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: Hi Dean I have been reading your mails and thanks for doing a lot to get some of the rubber parts for Naks. I need two tires for the Classic nak transport( 582 / Dragon) as I have one of the removed assembly with me that needs a tire. Secondly I need nak part 0C08096 replacement from PRB to try out. If you could let me know your paypal id, I can send you the amount asap. thanks and regards kannan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Tue May 30 21:27:23 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:27:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak Belt referance chart Message-ID: <4b6.6f33f4.31adf69b@aol.com> I am finally going to force myself to do a Nak belt chart where Each belt of a number can be used where and on what machine(s). If you can send me what belts with Nak number is used where and on what machine, I'll put together a chart we can all use to order belts. Start sending info now and I'll start compiling it. Also if you have belt measurements this helps also on cross-referencing and having some belts made that are not available. Thanks again, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue May 30 21:42:35 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Rubber tires for classic Nak transport In-Reply-To: <425.2d36236.31adf286@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060530194235.54150.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dean I am staying in two places ( 3 days in Allentown - PA where I currently staying with my family and work 4 days at Iowa City -in iowa ) Once you get the PRB belt let me know the total including shipping, i will paypal your the amount.My pay pal payment will give you the allentown address for shipping. thanks once again Kannan N4229K at aol.com wrote: Is that the capstan belt for the 582? PRB number FRM9.2. I have tires on the way from manufacturer also. Tires are $2.50 each and the belt is whatever I pay for it. So I can let you know when I pickup next week and you can pay me then at my PayPal acct n4229k at aol.com Where are you located? Regards, Dean In a message dated 5/30/2006 2:53:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: Hi Dean I have been reading your mails and thanks for doing a lot to get some of the rubber parts for Naks. I need two tires for the Classic nak transport( 582 / Dragon) as I have one of the removed assembly with me that needs a tire. Secondly I need nak part 0C08096 replacement from PRB to try out. If you could let me know your paypal id, I can send you the amount asap. thanks and regards kannan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Tue May 30 19:18:29 2006 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] a few nak questions Message-ID: <20060530171829.39939.qmail@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, I have a few technical questions regarding a Nak I own and about a Nak I might own some day. I have a 700II that has given me a # of problems. First the buttons weren't engaging; fixed that only to have to replace some belts. The deck is in perfect condition cosmetically (it came in the original box off some rich dude in the burbs), but it sat for 15-20 years without being used. Lately, according to my tech, it has been having a problem with the clutch? Both hubs have been turning when only one should be or something of that nature. It plays fine now but has a tough time with FF and won't rewind at all. My tech is determined to get to the bottom of it, but if anyone had any suggestions, it would be cool to perhaps pass them along to him before he gets into it. He thinks it is something with the felt padding that acts as the clutch? Don't quote me though! Secondly, I am eventually looking for a deck that would be good for recording best quality onto any tape. I was under the impression that bias fine tuning is the feature I need, so that with the tape monitor feature I could adjust the bias until it sounds best. But I am now a little confused about what the difference is between that and manual bias callibration. I like the 680 series decks, but I noticed they didn't have the fine tuning. It seems the CR decks are the only ones with both manual callibration and fine tuning. Am I not understanding something? Money is unfortunately a weighty consideration, so anyone have any suggestions about which deck I might want to look for? Thanks, Jesse From paulcar at caribsurf.com Tue May 30 20:03:06 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:03:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Rectifiers Message-ID: <447C88DA.8070703@caribsurf.com> In other fora, Thorsten Loesch (well known audio designer and critic) suggested Schotsky diodes for rectification particularly in relation to the "gainclone" amplifiers. However, a number of builders of these very popular and good sounding designs preferred MUR860s. I have used the Schotsky which can be obtained 100V 10A or higher. I cannot claim "golden ears" so it takes a while before I can decide whether something is worthwhile or not. I have not made up my mind about these rectifiers but I have a high opinion of Thorsten's recommendations. . There is also a view that with the fast recovery and Schotsky diodes, you should not use capacitors across them.... So there it is for what it is worth! you decide what you want to use with Naks! Paul Carrington From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue May 30 21:55:04 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:55:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Belt referance chart In-Reply-To: <4b6.6f33f4.31adf69b@aol.com> References: <4b6.6f33f4.31adf69b@aol.com> Message-ID: <447CA318.3060001@yahoo.ca> This link could help: http://www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=20171 N4229K at aol.com a écrit : > I am finally going to force myself to do a Nak belt chart where Each > belt of a number can be used where and on what machine(s). > If you can send me what belts with Nak number is used where and on > what machine, I'll put together a chart we can all use to order belts. > Start sending info now and I'll start compiling it. Also if you have > belt measurements this helps also on cross-referencing and having some > belts made that are not available. > Thanks again, > Dean From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 31 00:26:54 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:26:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <447C4A0B.3090700@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060530172654.00828620@earthlink.net> The cam motor behaves this way when defective. It must be repalced or disassembled and cleaned. tom brucker At 09:35 AM 5/30/06 -0400, you wrote: >Antoine and Brandon, > >This morning when I switched on, the tape ejected altho I did not see >any movement of the nylon gears on the control motor which I was trying >to assist.. However, with the casssette removed, I switched from play to >stop several times and it operated okay......So what do you think caused >the problem and is it likely to happen agiain? What Can I do to avoid it? >Next will be the replacement of the tyre! >Regards >Paul >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 31 00:58:19 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:58:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Help needed: 680zx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060530175819.00828a70@earthlink.net> This is the infamous stop lamp mute problem. Nak designed it so decks would receive regular maintenance :)) Replace the stop lamp, and or add a 1 k ohm 1/4 watt resistor between CN-8 pins 3 and 4. CN 8 is on the logic pcb. If you cannot solder, most repair shops will do it for a nominal fee if you remove the top cover and find the connector yourself, and let the off the hook by requesting no guarantee. tom brucker At 05:03 PM 5/29/06 -0700, you wrote: >OK, I have a 680ZX that has some problems that I'm trying to >troubleshoot. I had hoped they were all one problem, but it doesn't >look like it. >First, the known symptom list: > >1. No signal visible on the meters, although there is often a very >faint glow of all segments when in "source" mode (cal switch position >doesn't matter--no inputs at the moment). >2. No signal placed on the tape, although it appears at the output >jacks at the correct level in "source" mode (analogous in "cal" mode) >3. Only a very faint signal on playback--MAYBE as if "cue" mode were >stuck on? > >Some relevant stuff that does seem to work: > >1. "Cal" switch does change the display scale. >2. Test tone observed at proper level at output jacks in Cal/source >mode. > >Some measurements which seem relevant: > >1. "Rec" signal (values aroudn Q304/Main PCB) seem OK >2. Test point values 90mv (100mv is spec) (TP 101/201 main pcb on cal >tone) > >Current signal I know is wrong and would like some hints on: > >The "mute" signal (collecto Q418 logic PCB) doesn't ever go low when >switching to play. My schematic reading skills aren't good enough >to figure what's supposed to make it go low. I think I figured out >the connection to the D-flipflop IC413 logic pcb seems only relevant for >for cue mode. > >Collector of Q418 it's connection to R481 (the mute signal) is pretty >much +12. The other side of R481 (330k; measured OK) is -12 >as expected (it's tied more or less to the -12 rail). > >Suggestions? Thanks in advance...-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From N4229K at aol.com Wed May 31 01:48:23 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:48:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <3db.3aaa615.31ae33c7@aol.com> Your right but I was being practical and in most cases it will work if been sitting and bad spots burnt off If that doesn't work then pullit out but not easy for a novice Dean In a message dated 5/30/2006 7:00:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: The cam motor behaves this way when defective. It must be replaced or Disassembled and cleaned. tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Wed May 31 01:50:11 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:50:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Rubber tires for classic Nak transport Message-ID: <485.17d7163.31ae3433@aol.com> Now that's a commute! OK will email when have stuff Dean In a message dated 5/30/2006 6:59:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: Hi Dean I am staying in two places ( 3 days in Allentown - PA where I currently staying with my family and work 4 days at Iowa City -in iowa ) Once you get the PRB belt let me know the total including shipping, i will paypal your the amount.My pay pal payment will give you the allentown address for shipping. thanks once again Kannan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Wed May 31 02:32:29 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:32:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Idler tire toothpick approach Message-ID: <466.22e721d.31ae3e1d@aol.com> Hi everyone: I believe I sent the toothpick approach to Chris in the UK. Could you send the write-up to me and/or to Paul Carrington. I have misplaced my right up on this Thanks Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 06:40:00 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: <20060530185428.99317.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060531044000.21603.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh, I didn't think anyone was interested. Just kidding. Well my ZX-7 with the factory belt varied between 0.05 and 0.09% for wow and flutter. Speed measured about 0.5% fast. This is very close to the advertised weighted peak W&F of 0.08%. With the PRB FRM9.2 belt wow and flutter increased to between 0.11 and 0.16% with occasional peaks of up to 0.18%. Speed jumped from 0.5% fast to 3.0% fast. The FRM9.2 belt is noticeable smaller than the original (a 15 year old original) and slightly thicker. I have left the FRM9.2 belt on the machine for now. I will leave it running and test it again in a day and then in a week and see if it improves. If Russell had a FRM9.3 or FRM9.4 belt I think it would be a much better match. The FRM9.2 belt is 9.2"IC, .210"width, .031"thick A couple belts that might work better are the: PRB P/N FR9.4 - 9.4"IC, .235"width, .034"thick and the EVG P/N 1407-505 - 9.4"IC, 0.235"wall, .030"thick If the W&F numbers don't improve after a short break in period I'm going to put the original back in. Well actually I'm going to put the original belt back in regardless. It's still in great shape after 15+ years and shows no signs of cracking. I basically only tried the FRM9.2 belt as a test. At this moment I do not recommend using this belt unless you absolutely have to (original belt is gone and no other sources existed on the planet). Of course I will post this data on my web site when I get a chance. BTW - I have already started a belt cross reference chart. I just haven't published the current version on my web site. I have some information up now, but, it will be much more complete when I'm done. I am trying to verify that the belts are actually compatible. In the mean time use the cross reference on turntable neddles.com http://www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=20171 Scott J. --- kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Scott > we are waiting for your evaluation report of this ? > Kannan > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Did you try the FRM9.2 belt? > I'm curious about the results and I suppose others are too! > > Wouter > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I'm finishing up the refurb of my ZX-7. I've replaced the control > > belt with SCQ4.8, shut-off belt with SCY9.0 and idler tire with > one > > from Dean. Original pinch rollers look good after 7 swab with > > Intraclean S711. This morning I got a FRM9.2 belt for the > capstan, > > but, before I replace that one I'm going to check the wow & > flutter > > before and again after to see if the FRM9.2 belt is indeed > > compatible. On my web site > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html I say that > this > > belt needs to be spot on and highly recommend that the original > > OC08096C belt be used or increased wow & flutter will result. > > > > Has anyone tried this belt and done measurements before and > after? > > > > BTW - wow & flutter measurements will be taken with a genuine Nak > > test tape and a Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From paulcar at caribsurf.com Wed May 31 01:30:27 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:30:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <447CD593.3000204@caribsurf.com> Den, I have installed the tyre but with the larger diameter hole, there is an eccentricity in the movement due to a small difference in the amount of tyre above the rim in one part of the whell and the other. I thought I had pushed it about the equalise it but you can see a slight eccentricity in the movement when on play. The machine will rewind and fast forward but it will not play... without a cassette you can get the takeup spool to work but when the cassette is inserted, there does not seem to be enough drive to turn the take up spool......I have cleaned the drive surfaces with alcohol to remove any grease, applied a drop of oil to the idler bearing but without success. I think the larger diameter of the wheel is a problem Regards Paul From dmm at math.bu.edu Wed May 31 01:39:23 2006 From: dmm at math.bu.edu (Diane Meuser) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. Message-ID: Hi, I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently own 3 Nak BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) that sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on consignment from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will completely go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" to it, which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and I'm not sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their consignment fee is 25% of selling price). I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from repair, so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for a CR-7A and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay for a Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak decks and told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more reasonable price. I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market for a "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have BX-100's) I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with buying machines on EBay. So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: 1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality Nak deck and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? 2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found that are worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the best that was currently around, but are there other available models that lie in between the CR-7A and the Dragon? 3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as opposed to someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. 4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices on Naks are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a reliable one become available. I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher quality Nak owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer vs. another and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from more experience Nak owners would be appreciated. Thanks, Diane From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed May 31 05:00:08 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:00:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Rectifiers In-Reply-To: <447C88DA.8070703@caribsurf.com> References: <447C88DA.8070703@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <447D06B8.3090800@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Paul, Paul Carrington wrote: > In other fora, Thorsten Loesch (well known audio designer and critic) > suggested Schotsky > diodes for rectification particularly in relation to the "gainclone" > amplifiers. However, a number of builders of these very popular and > good sounding designs preferred MUR860s. I have used the Schotsky which > can be obtained 100V 10A or higher. I cannot claim "golden ears" so it > takes a while before I can decide whether something is worthwhile or > not. I have not made up my mind about these rectifiers but I have a > high opinion of Thorsten's recommendations. Thorsten Loesch has my respect too. Schottkys or HEXFREDs both will create less ripple to filter out than will silicon rectifier diodes, so I rather think it matters little whether Schottkys or HEXFREDs are used. > There is also a view that with the fast recovery and Schotsky diodes, > you should not use > capacitors across them.... Uh, well, how does the ripple get filtered out? Rectifiers alone, regardless of recovery time, cannot filter ripple out. Rectification of alternating current creates ripple, even if only in small magnitudes, that must be subsequently filtered. Perhaps Loesch's amps have a high immunity to ripple, reducing the need for filtering? > So there it is for what it is worth! you decide what you want to use > with Naks! Today I removed the HEXFRED rectifier diodes and put my 600 rectifier back to stock. I just like the stock sound better than the modified sound. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed May 31 05:03:04 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:03:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Belt referance chart In-Reply-To: <447CA318.3060001@yahoo.ca> References: <4b6.6f33f4.31adf69b@aol.com> <447CA318.3060001@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <447D0768.2050200@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Antoine, Careful, I've seen their chart have errors. Not many, admitledly, they've done an amazing job -- but they had an error in the belt I bought from them for a B&O turntable and my evil Uher 4400 Report Stereo analog audio mangler. It's a good starting point but their list needs to be double checked. Antoine Deschênes wrote: > This link could help: > http://www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=20171 > > N4229K at aol.com a écrit : > >> I am finally going to force myself to do a Nak belt chart where Each >> belt of a number can be used where and on what machine(s). >> If you can send me what belts with Nak number is used where and on >> what machine, I'll put together a chart we can all use to order belts. >> Start sending info now and I'll start compiling it. Also if you have >> belt measurements this helps also on cross-referencing and having some >> belts made that are not available. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From ddino77 at earthlink.net Wed May 31 06:31:16 2006 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:31:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] a few nak questions Message-ID: <410-22006533143116433@earthlink.net> I would definitely stick with the 600/700II, and or the entire 7 series including the ZXL(my niche of choice). I own both and find them beautifully designed and remarkably built and oh that SOUND. Unfortunately they do not do well under the stewardship of guardians who lock-em-up in closets and expect the world upon resurrection 25 years later. If your deck is in the cosmetic condition described it would be worthwhile doing the few tasks critically necessary to bring it back. Lubbing mechanicals, swapping belts, and ensuring good electrical pathways between the circuit boards is essential. Once it checks out and the switches and pots are cleaned use it often either by recording or playing it a few times a week. And for petes sake please don't condemn it back into hibernation.......................... dan ____________________________________________________ Hello, I have a few technical questions regarding a Nak I own and about a Nak I might own some day. I have a 700II that has given me a # of problems. First the buttons weren't engaging; fixed that only to have to replace some belts. The deck is in perfect condition cosmetically (it came in the original box off some rich dude in the burbs), but it sat for 15-20 years without being used. Lately, according to my tech, it has been having a problem with the clutch? Both hubs have been turning when only one should be or something of that nature. It plays fine now but has a tough time with FF and won't rewind at all. My tech is determined to get to the bottom of it, but if anyone had any suggestions, it would be cool to perhaps pass them along to him before he gets into it. He thinks it is something with the felt padding that acts as the clutch? Don't quote me though! Secondly, I am eventually looking for a deck that would be good for recording best quality onto any tape. I was under the impression that bias fine tuning is the feature I need, so that with the tape monitor feature I could adjust the bias until it sounds best. But I am now a little confused about what the difference is between that and manual bias callibration. I like the 680 series decks, but I noticed they didn't have the fine tuning. It seems the CR decks are the only ones with both manual callibration and fine tuning. Am I not understanding something? Money is unfortunately a weighty consideration, so anyone have any suggestions about which deck I might want to look for? Thanks, Jesse ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed May 31 08:34:12 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 06:34:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rubber tires for classic Nak transport Message-ID: Hi Kannan! You ask to Dean this...I need two tires for the Classic nak transport( 582 / Dragon). As I own a gifted Dragon made during 1984, how long more I also will need to change this "Not so easy Job!!!" tire? + How I will notice that is worn & need to be remove & change by a fresh one?. Be well Kannan & thnk you for your heart fully reply to me! ALEX! >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rubber tires for classic Nak transport >Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Dean > I have been reading your mails and thanks for doing a lot to get some of >the rubber parts for Naks. I need two tires for the Classic nak transport( >582 / Dragon) as I have one of the removed assembly with me that needs a >tire. > Secondly I need nak part 0C08096 replacement from PRB to try out. If you >could let me know your paypal id, I can send you the amount asap. > thanks and regards > kannan > > > >N4229K at aol.com wrote: > Hi > From my experience it just could have been some dirt in the motor may >not happen for a while if ever. I would give it another try. If you need >a tire I have them in stock for $2.50 plus shipping for Naks.com members >only. > Let me know > Dean > > > In a message dated 5/30/2006 1:56:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, >ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > Paul Carrington wrote: > > Antoine and Brandon, > > > > This morning when I switched on, the tape ejected altho I did not see > > any movement of the nylon gears on the control motor which I was trying > > to assist.. > >Bizarre... > > > However, with the casssette removed, I switched from play to > > stop several times and it operated okay......So what do you think caused > > the problem and is it likely to happen agiain? > >Obviously, the problem was caused by failure of the >cam to move. This could be caused by failure of the >motor itself (fairly common); if so, it will happen >again. The cure is repair or replacement of the motor. >It is also conceivable something got lodged in the >worm gear, though I have never seen or heard of this >happening. Another possibility is dirt/corrosion of >one of the 3 control contacts. > >I suggest you clean the contacts (spray a drop of >contact cleaner), clean and lubricate the worm >gear and continue to use the deck. > >-- Ron > > > > > What Can I do to avoid it? > > Next will be the replacement of the tyre! > > Regards > > Paul >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-Phone. Get >Yahoo! Messenger with Voice >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed May 31 08:42:24 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 06:42:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Belt referance chart Message-ID: Hi Antoine! I saw it...for a Dragon deck...nothing mentioned...but BTW;...I bookmark! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Antoine Desch�nes >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Belt referance chart >Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:55:04 -0400 > >This link could help: >http://www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=20171 > >N4229K at aol.com a �crit : >>I am finally going to force myself to do a Nak belt chart where Each belt >>of a number can be used where and on what machine(s). >>If you can send me what belts with Nak number is used where and on what >>machine, I'll put together a chart we can all use to order belts. >>Start sending info now and I'll start compiling it. Also if you have belt >>measurements this helps also on cross-referencing and having some belts >>made that are not available. >>Thanks again, >>Dean > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Wed May 31 09:42:36 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:42:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447D48EC.3090702@peromarta.org> Diane Meuser wrote: > > 1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality Nak deck > and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been > completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? $500 for a clean, re-lubed calibrated cr7 is a great price, if mechanics are good, and did not have a hard life. At least I'd buy it. YMMV. rgds, LP. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed May 31 00:44:11 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:44:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] a few nak questions Message-ID: <447F97F6-5399-4439-91B8-B93382D798A9@alumni.caltech.edu> > He thinks it is something with the felt padding that > acts as the clutch? Don't quote me though! > > Has he tried adjusting the clutches (I believe there are some test gauges that may be needed; have to check my service manual). I seem to recall this was a weak point in some earlier ones. I have a part that was replaced and one in a parts deck that I don't know the condition of if that would help.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed May 31 10:00:52 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 01:00:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] And the winner of round 1 is... (was: Help needed: 680zx) Message-ID: <38A883CF-B97E-4B92-961C-CCE89EA300EE@alumni.caltech.edu> da da da-daaahh...Tom Indeed, most of the symptoms were the infamouns stop light mute problem. I actually thought the stop light worked when I got the deck but it sure wasn't now. 'Course, it was the only light out on the control panel. And I've even had a similar issue (as posted elsewhere) on the 700zxl with the tape memory lights...but it didn't look (with my meager schemo reading skills) that this was the same setup. Did Nak put out TSBs on this stuff? What other decks have this type of issue (I think Scott/Kannan mentioned a 48x deck). Is there a good part number & source for the bulbs? I've got a number of decks with a lot of bulbs (a 1000zxl has about 40...times 3...plus some others....)? I have the part list but it's always hard to match current and physical size on the internet. Thanks in advance... The only other problem on the 680 appears to be in the meters and it affects all the segments. To refresh (and with real signals now...), when a signal is present, then all of the segments are on in a sort of flickering and very dim mode. The flickering doesn't seem to match the signal amplitude, and all segments seem to kind of faintly glow, not just the ones that "should." I did measure the incoming signal and its 5-7VDC steady with the cal tone (slightly different for each channel; I know how to adjust this but it's kind of pointless without the meter working sufficiently). It drops to zero at a slow rate if you switch out of Cal mode, so appears to match the expected ballistic characteristics (also speeds up more in the drop if you switch to VU mode).-kby From paulcar at caribsurf.com Wed May 31 13:15:54 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:15:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Rectifiers In-Reply-To: <447D06B8.3090800@woods-and-waters.com> References: <447C88DA.8070703@caribsurf.com> <447D06B8.3090800@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <447D7AEA.9050507@caribsurf.com> Kermit, When I said no caps across the fast recovery diodes, I was not referring to the smooth caps but the 0.01u or similar capacitors that some builders use to bridge the diodes in other words, the cap is placed in parallel with each of the diodes. Regards Paul Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Paul Carrington wrote: > >> In other fora, Thorsten Loesch (well known audio designer and critic) >> suggested Schotsky >> diodes for rectification particularly in relation to the "gainclone" >> amplifiers. However, a number of builders of these very popular and >> good sounding designs preferred MUR860s. I have used the Schotsky >> which can be obtained 100V 10A or higher. I cannot claim "golden >> ears" so it takes a while before I can decide whether something is >> worthwhile or not. I have not made up my mind about these rectifiers >> but I have a high opinion of Thorsten's recommendations. > > > Thorsten Loesch has my respect too. Schottkys or HEXFREDs both will > create less ripple to filter out than will silicon rectifier diodes, > so I rather think it matters little whether Schottkys or HEXFREDs are > used. > >> There is also a view that with the fast recovery and Schotsky >> diodes, you should not use >> capacitors across them.... > > > Uh, well, how does the ripple get filtered out? Rectifiers alone, > regardless of recovery time, cannot filter ripple out. Rectification > of alternating current creates ripple, even if only in small > magnitudes, that must be subsequently filtered. Perhaps Loesch's amps > have a high immunity to ripple, reducing the need for filtering? > >> So there it is for what it is worth! you decide what you want to use >> with Naks! > > > Today I removed the HEXFRED rectifier diodes and put my 600 rectifier > back to stock. I just like the stock sound better than the modified > sound. > From jeruff at yahoo.com Wed May 31 14:51:09 2006 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 05:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] a few nak questions In-Reply-To: <447F97F6-5399-4439-91B8-B93382D798A9@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060531125109.86142.qmail@web82015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey thanks for the offer. I may have to take you up on it if it turns out I need a part. He's supposed to check it out this week. He did adjust the clutches by hand last week (he's a really experienced tech, but perhaps not experienced enough!). It seemed to be working, but once I got it home and set it up, the FF and Rew stopped working. I guess we'll see. Thanks again. -Jesse --- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > He thinks it is something with the felt padding > that > > acts as the clutch? Don't quote me though! > > > > > Has he tried adjusting the clutches (I believe there > are some test > gauges that may be needed; have to > check my service manual). I seem to recall this was > a weak point in > some earlier ones. I have a part that was replaced > and one in a parts deck that I don't know the > condition of if that > would help.-kby> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 31 15:20:00 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:20:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447D9800.1030706@rcn.com> Diane Meuser wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently own 3 Nak > BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been > around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) that > sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on consignment > from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will completely > go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" to it, > which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and I'm not > sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their consignment > fee is 25% of selling price). > > I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from repair, > so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for a CR-7A > and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay for a > Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak decks and > told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more reasonable > price. I beg to differ with this expert. When I was looking for a 'better' Nakamichi deck to replace my 582, I was also leaning towards a Dragon, but was encouraged by several people (that did not have an ax to grind) to consider the CR-7. I did, and after several listening tests chose a CR-7. This was 8 years ago and I never regretted my decision. The CR-7 sounds nothing short of superb to me. It's sound can be described as 'transparent', 'analytical' and 'accurate'. Recordings of the best CDs are generally indistinguishable from the original. While the Dragon sounds very fine, it tends (to my ear. Others may disagree) to the 'warm' side. Not much, but it's there. The Dragon can reverse the tape. I can easily live without this. It also has much more elaborate automation. I can gladly live without that, too. Decide whether these features are important to you. The CR-7 transport is not of as high quality as the Dragon's 'classic Nak' transport. This means it requires routine maintenance (that you can perform yourself in 15 minutes, if you are at all mechanically inclined) every couple of years or so. If you buy one with a rubber idler, it will require a tire replacement at the same interval, more or less (requires a bit more mechanical dexterity and the tire costs under a buck). The gear idler lives forever. If you buy an older one, it may require a modification to the equalization circuit (to be done by a tech). The Dragon, while maybe more robust mechanically, is far more complex electronically and is likely to give you more trouble in that area. When it does, it will likely require a trip to an (almost non existent) Nak technician. Spare parts are difficult to obtain for both, but, I believe, the Dragon is generally more problematic. My CR-7 wound up costing me about $950 over all. I paid $750 for this pristine condition deck 8 years ago. It already had a gear idler. I installed the EQ mod (I am an electronics engineer. Parts were about $25), and then had it realigned for about $150 (including shipping back and forth). Since then, I replaced pinch rollers and one IC. It has had extensive use. I can't say how much a Dragon would cost to maintain over the same period and amount of use, could easily be more. I don't know about current prices, but would beware a dealer bad mouthing a competitor and a model you are considering. Be aware that the CR-7 is definitely one of the best Nakamichi decks ever made -- you will be hard put to find an unsatisfied CR-7 owner. I encourage you to listen to both decks. Other possibilities would be a ZX7 or a ZX9 or any of the 680ZX series. If you prefer a reversing deck, the Dragon is a strong candidate, but also consider the RX-505. If you do decide to buy a CR-7, ask about the idler and the equalization mod. These greatly affect the price. Good luck, -- Ron I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I > mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market for a > "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have BX-100's) > I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with > buying machines on EBay. > > So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: > > 1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality Nak deck > and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been > completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? > > 2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found that are > worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the best that > was currently around, but are there other available models that lie in > between the CR-7A and the Dragon? > > 3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as opposed to > someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have > thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. > > 4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices on Naks > are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a > reliable one become available. > > I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher quality Nak > owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer vs. another > and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from more experience > Nak owners would be appreciated. From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed May 31 15:22:49 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:22:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. References: Message-ID: <004001c684b5$536d5920$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Diane, If you mention the dealer's names, those of us in the Boston area might have some input on how reliable they are. I've dealt with Spearit Sound (formerly Goodwin's Audio), Goodwin's High End, Natural Sound, and Tweeter over the years and have opinions on each if you're interested in hearing them :). The only one I would recommend without hesitation is Goodwin's High End all the others come with caveats. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Meuser" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. > > Hi, > > I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently own 3 Nak > BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been > around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) that > sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on consignment > from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will completely > go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" to it, > which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and I'm not > sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their consignment > fee is 25% of selling price). > > I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from repair, > so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for a CR-7A > and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay for a > Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak decks and > told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more reasonable > price. I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I > mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market for a > "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have > BX-100's) > I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with > buying machines on EBay. > > So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: > > 1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality Nak deck > and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been > completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? > > 2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found that are > worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the best that > was currently around, but are there other available models that lie in > between the CR-7A and the Dragon? > > 3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as opposed to > someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have > thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. > > 4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices on Naks > are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a > reliable one become available. > > I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher quality Nak > owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer vs. > another > and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from more > experience > Nak owners would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Diane > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed May 31 15:27:13 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:27:13 -0400 Subject: [SPAM *15.500] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: <447D9800.1030706@rcn.com> References: <447D9800.1030706@rcn.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060531092627.039d65f8@psulias.psu.edu> You could also try a CR-5 for 1/3 of the price of the CR-7. Sounds fantastic and is, as far as I know, the same deck without the azimuth or the auto calibration. At 09:20 AM 5/31/2006, Ron wrote: >Diane Meuser wrote: >>Hi, >> I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently own 3 Nak >> BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been >> around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) that >> sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on consignment >> from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will completely >> go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" to it, >> which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and I'm not >> sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their consignment >> fee is 25% of selling price). >> I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from repair, >> so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for a CR-7A >> and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay for a >> Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak decks and >> told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more reasonable >> price. > >I beg to differ with this expert. When I was looking for a >'better' Nakamichi deck to replace my 582, I was also leaning >towards a Dragon, but was encouraged by several people (that >did not have an ax to grind) to consider the CR-7. I did, >and after several listening tests chose a CR-7. This was 8 >years ago and I never regretted my decision. > >The CR-7 sounds nothing short of superb to me. It's sound >can be described as 'transparent', 'analytical' and >'accurate'. Recordings of the best CDs are generally >indistinguishable from the original. While the Dragon >sounds very fine, it tends (to my ear. Others may disagree) >to the 'warm' side. Not much, but it's there. > >The Dragon can reverse the tape. I can easily live without >this. It also has much more elaborate automation. I can >gladly live without that, too. Decide whether these >features are important to you. > >The CR-7 transport is not of as high quality as the Dragon's >'classic Nak' transport. This means it requires routine >maintenance (that you can perform yourself in 15 minutes, if >you are at all mechanically inclined) every couple of years >or so. If you buy one with a rubber idler, it will require a >tire replacement at the same interval, more or less (requires >a bit more mechanical dexterity and the tire costs under a >buck). The gear idler lives forever. If you buy an older one, >it may require a modification to the equalization circuit (to >be done by a tech). > >The Dragon, while maybe more robust mechanically, is far more >complex electronically and is likely to give you more trouble >in that area. When it does, it will likely require a trip to >an (almost non existent) Nak technician. Spare parts are >difficult to obtain for both, but, I believe, the Dragon is >generally more problematic. > >My CR-7 wound up costing me about $950 over all. I paid $750 >for this pristine condition deck 8 years ago. It already had a >gear idler. I installed the EQ mod (I am an electronics >engineer. Parts were about $25), and then had it realigned for >about $150 (including shipping back and forth). Since then, I >replaced pinch rollers and one IC. It has had extensive use. I >can't say how much a Dragon would cost to maintain over the >same period and amount of use, could easily be more. > >I don't know about current prices, but would beware a dealer >bad mouthing a competitor and a model you are considering. Be >aware that the CR-7 is definitely one of the best Nakamichi >decks ever made -- you will be hard put to find an unsatisfied >CR-7 owner. > >I encourage you to listen to both decks. Other possibilities >would be a ZX7 or a ZX9 or any of the 680ZX series. If you >prefer a reversing deck, the Dragon is a strong candidate, >but also consider the RX-505. > >If you do decide to buy a CR-7, ask about the idler and the >equalization mod. These greatly affect the price. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > > > > > I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I >> mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market for a >> "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have BX-100's) >> I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with >> buying machines on EBay. >> So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: >>1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality Nak deck >> and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been >> completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? >>2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found that are >> worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the best that >> was currently around, but are there other available models that lie in >> between the CR-7A and the Dragon? >>3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as opposed to >> someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have >> thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. >>4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices on Naks >> are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a >> reliable one become available. >>I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher quality Nak >>owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer vs. another >>and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from more experience >>Nak owners would be appreciated. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Derrick Beckner Mapping Specialist Map Library Supervisor Penn State University 1 Paterno Library University Park, PA 16802 dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ 814-863-5753 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed May 31 15:44:15 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 06:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: <447D9800.1030706@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060531134415.61326.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As Ron points out there are many options. If you choose a CR 7A ( check for gear update as well as record eq mod done allready - or the serial number is above 9000 - leave first part starting with A101 or something like that for serial number) , Cam mode motor is one great weakness and replacement capstan belt. Get a spare of both or stay near Ron who had reworked on this motor. Otherwise I would not fault a CR 7. If you do not need play azimuth adjusting facility, then ZX 7 for about 300$ is a fantastic classic Nak transport with manual bias and level adjustment. CR 4A is another equally great machine with calibration facility. I would suggest a three head , bias , level adjustment facility from any Nak because you just can' beat them like your 582. RX 505 is a Nak without this facility but still a great machine. keep a tidy 100 - 200$ range for spare parts on any machine you buy as i have rarely seen a Nak without a problem! Atleast it needs a belt change as well as head alignment. Kannan Ron wrote: Diane Meuser wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently own 3 Nak > BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been > around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) that > sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on consignment > from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will completely > go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" to it, > which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and I'm not > sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their consignment > fee is 25% of selling price). > > I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from repair, > so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for a CR-7A > and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay for a > Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak decks and > told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more reasonable > price. I beg to differ with this expert. When I was looking for a 'better' Nakamichi deck to replace my 582, I was also leaning towards a Dragon, but was encouraged by several people (that did not have an ax to grind) to consider the CR-7. I did, and after several listening tests chose a CR-7. This was 8 years ago and I never regretted my decision. The CR-7 sounds nothing short of superb to me. It's sound can be described as 'transparent', 'analytical' and 'accurate'. Recordings of the best CDs are generally indistinguishable from the original. While the Dragon sounds very fine, it tends (to my ear. Others may disagree) to the 'warm' side. Not much, but it's there. The Dragon can reverse the tape. I can easily live without this. It also has much more elaborate automation. I can gladly live without that, too. Decide whether these features are important to you. The CR-7 transport is not of as high quality as the Dragon's 'classic Nak' transport. This means it requires routine maintenance (that you can perform yourself in 15 minutes, if you are at all mechanically inclined) every couple of years or so. If you buy one with a rubber idler, it will require a tire replacement at the same interval, more or less (requires a bit more mechanical dexterity and the tire costs under a buck). The gear idler lives forever. If you buy an older one, it may require a modification to the equalization circuit (to be done by a tech). The Dragon, while maybe more robust mechanically, is far more complex electronically and is likely to give you more trouble in that area. When it does, it will likely require a trip to an (almost non existent) Nak technician. Spare parts are difficult to obtain for both, but, I believe, the Dragon is generally more problematic. My CR-7 wound up costing me about $950 over all. I paid $750 for this pristine condition deck 8 years ago. It already had a gear idler. I installed the EQ mod (I am an electronics engineer. Parts were about $25), and then had it realigned for about $150 (including shipping back and forth). Since then, I replaced pinch rollers and one IC. It has had extensive use. I can't say how much a Dragon would cost to maintain over the same period and amount of use, could easily be more. I don't know about current prices, but would beware a dealer bad mouthing a competitor and a model you are considering. Be aware that the CR-7 is definitely one of the best Nakamichi decks ever made -- you will be hard put to find an unsatisfied CR-7 owner. I encourage you to listen to both decks. Other possibilities would be a ZX7 or a ZX9 or any of the 680ZX series. If you prefer a reversing deck, the Dragon is a strong candidate, but also consider the RX-505. If you do decide to buy a CR-7, ask about the idler and the equalization mod. These greatly affect the price. Good luck, -- Ron I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I > mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market for a > "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have BX-100's) > I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with > buying machines on EBay. > > So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: > > 1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality Nak deck > and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been > completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? > > 2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found that are > worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the best that > was currently around, but are there other available models that lie in > between the CR-7A and the Dragon? > > 3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as opposed to > someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have > thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. > > 4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices on Naks > are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a > reliable one become available. > > I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher quality Nak > owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer vs. another > and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from more experience > Nak owners would be appreciated. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 31 15:36:52 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:36:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Rectifiers In-Reply-To: <447D7AEA.9050507@caribsurf.com> References: <447C88DA.8070703@caribsurf.com> <447D06B8.3090800@woods-and-waters.com> <447D7AEA.9050507@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <447D9BF4.4090801@rcn.com> Yep, that's what I understood. In any case, putting 0.01uF caps in parallel with the rectifiers is not such a good idea with any modern rectifier. This is a carry over from the selenium rectifier days of early last century. In theory, Schottky rectifiers will slightly increase the output voltage and fast recovery will slightly decrease output noise. In practice, both of these effects will have imperceptible to no effect on the output of the following regulator circuit. If anyone claims they can hear a sonic difference as compared to silicon diodes, their listening test was not blind and they are probably given to imagining things. -- Ron Paul Carrington wrote: > Kermit, > When I said no caps across the fast recovery diodes, I was not referring > to the smooth > caps but the 0.01u or similar capacitors that some builders use to > bridge the diodes > in other words, the cap is placed in parallel with each of the diodes. > Regards > Paul > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> Paul Carrington wrote: >> >>> In other fora, Thorsten Loesch (well known audio designer and critic) >>> suggested Schotsky >>> diodes for rectification particularly in relation to the "gainclone" >>> amplifiers. However, a number of builders of these very popular and >>> good sounding designs preferred MUR860s. I have used the Schotsky >>> which can be obtained 100V 10A or higher. I cannot claim "golden >>> ears" so it takes a while before I can decide whether something is >>> worthwhile or not. I have not made up my mind about these rectifiers >>> but I have a high opinion of Thorsten's recommendations. >> >> >> Thorsten Loesch has my respect too. Schottkys or HEXFREDs both will >> create less ripple to filter out than will silicon rectifier diodes, >> so I rather think it matters little whether Schottkys or HEXFREDs are >> used. >> >>> There is also a view that with the fast recovery and Schotsky >>> diodes, you should not use >>> capacitors across them.... >> >> >> Uh, well, how does the ripple get filtered out? Rectifiers alone, >> regardless of recovery time, cannot filter ripple out. Rectification >> of alternating current creates ripple, even if only in small >> magnitudes, that must be subsequently filtered. Perhaps Loesch's amps >> have a high immunity to ripple, reducing the need for filtering? >> >>> So there it is for what it is worth! you decide what you want to use >>> with Naks! >> >> >> Today I removed the HEXFRED rectifier diodes and put my 600 rectifier >> back to stock. I just like the stock sound better than the modified >> sound. From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 31 15:50:17 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:50:17 -0400 Subject: [SPAM *15.500] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060531092627.039d65f8@psulias.psu.edu> References: <447D9800.1030706@rcn.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060531092627.039d65f8@psulias.psu.edu> Message-ID: <447D9F19.6060307@rcn.com> Well, in my reply I did not think that you would consider a CR-5, since it lacks not only the azimuth and auto calibration, but also the real time display (that I, for one, use a lot). I also doubt you can get it for 1/3 the price of a CR-7. Sonically, it does compare to the CR-7 playback, and almost so on record. However, if you would consider a CR-5, I do have one I would like to sell. It's sonically perfect, everything works as it should. I am in the Boston area (Framingham, to be exact), so, if you'd like to see it, just come over. -- Ron Derrick Beckner wrote: > You could also try a CR-5 for 1/3 of the price of the CR-7. > Sounds fantastic and is, as far as I know, the same deck > without the azimuth or the auto calibration. > > At 09:20 AM 5/31/2006, Ron wrote: >> Diane Meuser wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently own >>> 3 Nak >>> BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been >>> around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) >>> that >>> sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on >>> consignment >>> from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will >>> completely >>> go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" >>> to it, >>> which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and >>> I'm not >>> sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their >>> consignment >>> fee is 25% of selling price). >>> I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from >>> repair, >>> so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for a >>> CR-7A >>> and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay >>> for a >>> Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak decks >>> and >>> told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more >>> reasonable >>> price. >> >> I beg to differ with this expert. When I was looking for a >> 'better' Nakamichi deck to replace my 582, I was also leaning >> towards a Dragon, but was encouraged by several people (that >> did not have an ax to grind) to consider the CR-7. I did, >> and after several listening tests chose a CR-7. This was 8 >> years ago and I never regretted my decision. >> >> The CR-7 sounds nothing short of superb to me. It's sound >> can be described as 'transparent', 'analytical' and >> 'accurate'. Recordings of the best CDs are generally >> indistinguishable from the original. While the Dragon >> sounds very fine, it tends (to my ear. Others may disagree) >> to the 'warm' side. Not much, but it's there. >> >> The Dragon can reverse the tape. I can easily live without >> this. It also has much more elaborate automation. I can >> gladly live without that, too. Decide whether these >> features are important to you. >> >> The CR-7 transport is not of as high quality as the Dragon's >> 'classic Nak' transport. This means it requires routine >> maintenance (that you can perform yourself in 15 minutes, if >> you are at all mechanically inclined) every couple of years >> or so. If you buy one with a rubber idler, it will require a >> tire replacement at the same interval, more or less (requires >> a bit more mechanical dexterity and the tire costs under a >> buck). The gear idler lives forever. If you buy an older one, >> it may require a modification to the equalization circuit (to >> be done by a tech). >> >> The Dragon, while maybe more robust mechanically, is far more >> complex electronically and is likely to give you more trouble >> in that area. When it does, it will likely require a trip to >> an (almost non existent) Nak technician. Spare parts are >> difficult to obtain for both, but, I believe, the Dragon is >> generally more problematic. >> >> My CR-7 wound up costing me about $950 over all. I paid $750 >> for this pristine condition deck 8 years ago. It already had a >> gear idler. I installed the EQ mod (I am an electronics >> engineer. Parts were about $25), and then had it realigned for >> about $150 (including shipping back and forth). Since then, I >> replaced pinch rollers and one IC. It has had extensive use. I >> can't say how much a Dragon would cost to maintain over the >> same period and amount of use, could easily be more. >> >> I don't know about current prices, but would beware a dealer >> bad mouthing a competitor and a model you are considering. Be >> aware that the CR-7 is definitely one of the best Nakamichi >> decks ever made -- you will be hard put to find an unsatisfied >> CR-7 owner. >> >> I encourage you to listen to both decks. Other possibilities >> would be a ZX7 or a ZX9 or any of the 680ZX series. If you >> prefer a reversing deck, the Dragon is a strong candidate, >> but also consider the RX-505. >> >> If you do decide to buy a CR-7, ask about the idler and the >> equalization mod. These greatly affect the price. >> >> Good luck, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I >>> mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market for a >>> "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have >>> BX-100's) >>> I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with >>> buying machines on EBay. >>> So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: >>> 1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality Nak >>> deck >>> and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been >>> completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? >>> 2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found that are >>> worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the best >>> that >>> was currently around, but are there other available models that >>> lie in >>> between the CR-7A and the Dragon? >>> 3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as >>> opposed to >>> someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have >>> thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. >>> 4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices on >>> Naks >>> are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a >>> reliable one become available. >>> I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher >>> quality Nak >>> owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer vs. >>> another >>> and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from more >>> experience >>> Nak owners would be appreciated. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed May 31 16:07:32 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: <447D9800.1030706@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060531140732.63519.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron I beg to differ on Dragon maintanence issue. Dragon if it is in use continuously after a routine maintanence will work without a problem for 5 years straight. The classic nak transport is really sturdy and nothing else would go wrong with Dragon. If you do not use it or store it for a quite a period or store it in humid hot climate like in India, it tends to give problem. Most of the time it is due to hardened grease on pinchrollar pivot arm issue. The electronics is no more complex than a CR 7. DD motor works like a charm - I have seen so many dragon now ( I have two with me right now both came to me with problems and in 1 hour they both started working!), I do nt consider that as a omplex electromechanical beast. But it needs good knowledge of Dragon mechanics - unfortunately not many are around. So is the case with any nak today. Whereas CR 7 or any of the Sankyo transport deck develops prolem even when you use. particularly cam motor and I have seen many DD decks like CR 7, BX 300 or CR 4 develop capstan bearing clog and DD motor current draw increases to a point when it stops working. I also noticed many develop reel motor problems. Sankyo transport is likely to develop problems much more than a classic Nak transport including Dragon. kannan Ron wrote: I beg to differ with this expert. When I was looking for a 'better' Nakamichi deck to replace my 582, I was also leaning towards a Dragon, but was encouraged by several people (that did not have an ax to grind) to consider the CR-7. I did, and after several listening tests chose a CR-7. This was 8 years ago and I never regretted my decision. The CR-7 sounds nothing short of superb to me. It's sound can be described as 'transparent', 'analytical' and 'accurate'. Recordings of the best CDs are generally indistinguishable from the original. While the Dragon sounds very fine, it tends (to my ear. Others may disagree) to the 'warm' side. Not much, but it's there. The Dragon can reverse the tape. I can easily live without this. It also has much more elaborate automation. I can gladly live without that, too. Decide whether these features are important to you. The CR-7 transport is not of as high quality as the Dragon's 'classic Nak' transport. This means it requires routine maintenance (that you can perform yourself in 15 minutes, if you are at all mechanically inclined) every couple of years or so. If you buy one with a rubber idler, it will require a tire replacement at the same interval, more or less (requires a bit more mechanical dexterity and the tire costs under a buck). The gear idler lives forever. If you buy an older one, it may require a modification to the equalization circuit (to be done by a tech). The Dragon, while maybe more robust mechanically, is far more complex electronically and is likely to give you more trouble in that area. When it does, it will likely require a trip to an (almost non existent) Nak technician. Spare parts are difficult to obtain for both, but, I believe, the Dragon is generally more problematic. I don't know about current prices, but would beware a dealer bad mouthing a competitor and a model you are considering. Be aware that the CR-7 is definitely one of the best Nakamichi decks ever made -- you will be hard put to find an unsatisfied CR-7 owner. I encourage you to listen to both decks. Other possibilities would be a ZX7 or a ZX9 or any of the 680ZX series. If you prefer a reversing deck, the Dragon is a strong candidate, but also consider the RX-505. If you do decide to buy a CR-7, ask about the idler and the equalization mod. These greatly affect the price. Good luck, -- Ron --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu Wed May 31 15:56:49 2006 From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:56:49 -0400 Subject: [SPAM *30.500] Re: [SPAM *15.500] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: <447D9F19.6060307@rcn.com> References: <447D9800.1030706@rcn.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060531092627.039d65f8@psulias.psu.edu> <447D9F19.6060307@rcn.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060531095508.03a62c60@psulias.psu.edu> Honestly even without all the bells and whistles, I think the CR-5 made better recordings than the Dragon I had. Never had a CR-7. The playback on the Dragon really could get the last ounce out of just about any recording from any deck. Anyhow, I jumped in later here, so don't mind me. :) At 09:50 AM 5/31/2006, Ron wrote: >Well, in my reply I did not think that you would consider a CR-5, since it >lacks not only the azimuth and auto calibration, but also the real time >display (that I, for one, use a lot). I also doubt >you can get it for 1/3 the price of a CR-7. Sonically, it does >compare to the CR-7 playback, and almost so on record. > >However, if you would consider a CR-5, I do have one I would like >to sell. It's sonically perfect, everything works as it should. I >am in the Boston area (Framingham, to be exact), so, if you'd >like to see it, just come over. > >-- Ron From gfuentes at mminternet.com Wed May 31 16:02:07 2006 From: gfuentes at mminternet.com (Greg Fuentes) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:02:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7A vs. Dragon or other In-Reply-To: <200605311345.k4VDjC3k029031@zxe.naks.com> References: <200605311345.k4VDjC3k029031@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <447DA1DF.7010704@mminternet.com> Bought my CR-7 in 1989. It was late enough in the run that it came with the gear idler and the equalization update. The tapes I make with the CR-7 are almost indistinguishable from the sources. On more than one occasion, unwanted noise on the tape revealed problems in other audio components, not the NAK. In 17 years, I haven't had to replace anything on the CR-7 or have it serviced. Appears to still operate fine. Admittedly, I don't use the CR-7 as heavily these days as I did a decade ago. I believe that a well-cared for CR-7 with the gear idler and the equalization update should serve you well. Regards, Greg naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Rectifiers (Paul Carrington) > 2. Re: a few nak questions (jesse ruff) > 3. Re: CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. (Ron) > 4. Re: CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. > (Geoffrey Reynolds) > 5. Re: [SPAM *15.500] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? > Opinions welcome. (Derrick Beckner) > 6. Re: CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. > (kannan srinivasaraghavan) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [naktalk] Rectifiers > From: > Paul Carrington > Date: > Wed, 31 May 2006 07:15:54 -0400 > To: > graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > To: > graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > CC: > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: > 7bit > Precedence: > list > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > References: > <447C88DA.8070703 at caribsurf.com> <447D06B8.3090800 at woods-and-waters.com> > In-Reply-To: > <447D06B8.3090800 at woods-and-waters.com> > Reply-To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <447D7AEA.9050507 at caribsurf.com> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Message: > 1 > > > Kermit, > When I said no caps across the fast recovery diodes, I was not > referring to the smooth > caps but the 0.01u or similar capacitors that some builders use to > bridge the diodes > in other words, the cap is placed in parallel with each of the diodes. > Regards > Paul > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> Paul Carrington wrote: >> >>> In other fora, Thorsten Loesch (well known audio designer and >>> critic) suggested Schotsky >>> diodes for rectification particularly in relation to the "gainclone" >>> amplifiers. However, a number of builders of these very popular and >>> good sounding designs preferred MUR860s. I have used the Schotsky >>> which can be obtained 100V 10A or higher. I cannot claim "golden >>> ears" so it takes a while before I can decide whether something is >>> worthwhile or not. I have not made up my mind about these >>> rectifiers but I have a high opinion of Thorsten's recommendations. >> >> >> Thorsten Loesch has my respect too. Schottkys or HEXFREDs both will >> create less ripple to filter out than will silicon rectifier diodes, >> so I rather think it matters little whether Schottkys or HEXFREDs are >> used. >> >>> There is also a view that with the fast recovery and Schotsky >>> diodes, you should not use >>> capacitors across them.... >> >> >> Uh, well, how does the ripple get filtered out? Rectifiers alone, >> regardless of recovery time, cannot filter ripple out. Rectification >> of alternating current creates ripple, even if only in small >> magnitudes, that must be subsequently filtered. Perhaps Loesch's amps >> have a high immunity to ripple, reducing the need for filtering? >> >>> So there it is for what it is worth! you decide what you want to >>> use with Naks! >> >> >> Today I removed the HEXFRED rectifier diodes and put my 600 rectifier >> back to stock. I just like the stock sound better than the modified >> sound. >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [naktalk] a few nak questions > From: > jesse ruff > Date: > Wed, 31 May 2006 05:51:09 -0700 (PDT) > To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: > 8bit > Precedence: > list > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > In-Reply-To: > <447F97F6-5399-4439-91B8-B93382D798A9 at alumni.caltech.edu> > Reply-To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <20060531125109.86142.qmail at web82015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Message: > 2 > > > Hey thanks for the offer. I may have to take you up > on it if it turns out I need a part. He's supposed to > check it out this week. He did adjust the clutches by > hand last week (he's a really experienced tech, but > perhaps not experienced enough!). It seemed to be > working, but once I got it home and set it up, the FF > and Rew stopped working. I guess we'll see. Thanks > again. > -Jesse > > --- "Kimo B. Yap" > wrote: > > >>> He thinks it is something with the felt padding >>> >> that >> >>> acts as the clutch? Don't quote me though! >>> >>> >>> >> Has he tried adjusting the clutches (I believe there >> are some test >> gauges that may be needed; have to >> check my service manual). I seem to recall this was >> a weak point in >> some earlier ones. I have a part that was replaced >> and one in a parts deck that I don't know the >> condition of if that >> would help.-kby> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. > From: > Ron > Date: > Wed, 31 May 2006 09:20:00 -0400 > To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: > 7bit > Precedence: > list > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > References: > > In-Reply-To: > > Reply-To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <447D9800.1030706 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Message: > 3 > > > Diane Meuser wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently own >> 3 Nak >> BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been >> around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) >> that >> sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on >> consignment >> from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will >> completely >> go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" >> to it, >> which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and >> I'm not >> sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their >> consignment >> fee is 25% of selling price). >> >> I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from >> repair, >> so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for a >> CR-7A >> and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay >> for a >> Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak decks >> and >> told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more >> reasonable >> price. > > I beg to differ with this expert. When I was looking for a > 'better' Nakamichi deck to replace my 582, I was also leaning > towards a Dragon, but was encouraged by several people (that > did not have an ax to grind) to consider the CR-7. I did, > and after several listening tests chose a CR-7. This was 8 > years ago and I never regretted my decision. > > The CR-7 sounds nothing short of superb to me. It's sound > can be described as 'transparent', 'analytical' and > 'accurate'. Recordings of the best CDs are generally > indistinguishable from the original. While the Dragon > sounds very fine, it tends (to my ear. Others may disagree) > to the 'warm' side. Not much, but it's there. > > The Dragon can reverse the tape. I can easily live without > this. It also has much more elaborate automation. I can > gladly live without that, too. Decide whether these > features are important to you. > > The CR-7 transport is not of as high quality as the Dragon's > 'classic Nak' transport. This means it requires routine > maintenance (that you can perform yourself in 15 minutes, if > you are at all mechanically inclined) every couple of years > or so. If you buy one with a rubber idler, it will require a > tire replacement at the same interval, more or less (requires > a bit more mechanical dexterity and the tire costs under a > buck). The gear idler lives forever. If you buy an older one, > it may require a modification to the equalization circuit (to > be done by a tech). > > The Dragon, while maybe more robust mechanically, is far more > complex electronically and is likely to give you more trouble > in that area. When it does, it will likely require a trip to > an (almost non existent) Nak technician. Spare parts are > difficult to obtain for both, but, I believe, the Dragon is > generally more problematic. > > My CR-7 wound up costing me about $950 over all. I paid $750 > for this pristine condition deck 8 years ago. It already had a > gear idler. I installed the EQ mod (I am an electronics > engineer. Parts were about $25), and then had it realigned for > about $150 (including shipping back and forth). Since then, I > replaced pinch rollers and one IC. It has had extensive use. I > can't say how much a Dragon would cost to maintain over the > same period and amount of use, could easily be more. > > I don't know about current prices, but would beware a dealer > bad mouthing a competitor and a model you are considering. Be > aware that the CR-7 is definitely one of the best Nakamichi > decks ever made -- you will be hard put to find an unsatisfied > CR-7 owner. > > I encourage you to listen to both decks. Other possibilities > would be a ZX7 or a ZX9 or any of the 680ZX series. If you > prefer a reversing deck, the Dragon is a strong candidate, > but also consider the RX-505. > > If you do decide to buy a CR-7, ask about the idler and the > equalization mod. These greatly affect the price. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > > > I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I >> mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market for a >> "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have >> BX-100's) >> I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with >> buying machines on EBay. >> >> So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: >> >> 1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality Nak >> deck >> and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been >> completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? >> >> 2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found that are >> worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the best >> that >> was currently around, but are there other available models that >> lie in >> between the CR-7A and the Dragon? >> >> 3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as >> opposed to >> someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have >> thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. >> >> 4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices on >> Naks >> are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a >> reliable one become available. >> >> I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher >> quality Nak >> owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer vs. >> another >> and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from more >> experience >> Nak owners would be appreciated. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. > From: > "Geoffrey Reynolds" > Date: > Wed, 31 May 2006 09:22:49 -0400 > To: > "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > To: > "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: > 7bit > Precedence: > list > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > References: > > Reply-To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <004001c684b5$536d5920$15eeb3a4 at tfcorp.tfn.com> > Content-Type: > text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > Message: > 4 > > > Diane, > > If you mention the dealer's names, those of us in the Boston area > might have some input on how reliable they are. I've dealt with > Spearit Sound (formerly Goodwin's Audio), Goodwin's High End, Natural > Sound, and Tweeter over the years and have opinions on each if you're > interested in hearing them :). The only one I would recommend without > hesitation is Goodwin's High End all the others come with caveats. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Meuser" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:39 PM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. > > >> >> Hi, >> >> I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently own >> 3 Nak >> BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been >> around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) that >> sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on >> consignment >> from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will >> completely >> go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" to >> it, >> which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and >> I'm not >> sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their >> consignment >> fee is 25% of selling price). >> >> I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from >> repair, >> so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for a >> CR-7A >> and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay for a >> Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak decks and >> told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more reasonable >> price. I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I >> mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market for a >> "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have >> BX-100's) >> I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with >> buying machines on EBay. >> >> So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: >> >> 1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality Nak >> deck >> and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been >> completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? >> >> 2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found that are >> worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the best >> that >> was currently around, but are there other available models that lie in >> between the CR-7A and the Dragon? >> >> 3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as >> opposed to >> someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have >> thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. >> >> 4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices on >> Naks >> are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a >> reliable one become available. >> >> I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher >> quality Nak >> owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer vs. >> another >> and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from more >> experience >> Nak owners would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Diane >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [SPAM *15.500] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions > welcome. > From: > Derrick Beckner > Date: > Wed, 31 May 2006 09:27:13 -0400 > To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Precedence: > list > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > References: > <447D9800.1030706 at rcn.com> > In-Reply-To: > <447D9800.1030706 at rcn.com> > Reply-To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <6.1.2.0.2.20060531092627.039d65f8 at psulias.psu.edu> > Content-Type: > text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii > Message: > 5 > > > You could also try a CR-5 for 1/3 of the price of the CR-7. > Sounds fantastic and is, as far as I know, the same deck without the > azimuth or the auto calibration. > > At 09:20 AM 5/31/2006, Ron wrote: >> Diane Meuser wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently >>> own 3 Nak >>> BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been >>> around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) >>> that >>> sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on >>> consignment >>> from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will >>> completely >>> go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" >>> to it, >>> which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and >>> I'm not >>> sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their >>> consignment >>> fee is 25% of selling price). >>> I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from >>> repair, >>> so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for >>> a CR-7A >>> and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay >>> for a >>> Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak >>> decks and >>> told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more >>> reasonable >>> price. >> >> I beg to differ with this expert. When I was looking for a >> 'better' Nakamichi deck to replace my 582, I was also leaning >> towards a Dragon, but was encouraged by several people (that >> did not have an ax to grind) to consider the CR-7. I did, >> and after several listening tests chose a CR-7. This was 8 >> years ago and I never regretted my decision. >> >> The CR-7 sounds nothing short of superb to me. It's sound >> can be described as 'transparent', 'analytical' and >> 'accurate'. Recordings of the best CDs are generally >> indistinguishable from the original. While the Dragon >> sounds very fine, it tends (to my ear. Others may disagree) >> to the 'warm' side. Not much, but it's there. >> >> The Dragon can reverse the tape. I can easily live without >> this. It also has much more elaborate automation. I can >> gladly live without that, too. Decide whether these >> features are important to you. >> >> The CR-7 transport is not of as high quality as the Dragon's >> 'classic Nak' transport. This means it requires routine >> maintenance (that you can perform yourself in 15 minutes, if >> you are at all mechanically inclined) every couple of years >> or so. If you buy one with a rubber idler, it will require a >> tire replacement at the same interval, more or less (requires >> a bit more mechanical dexterity and the tire costs under a >> buck). The gear idler lives forever. If you buy an older one, >> it may require a modification to the equalization circuit (to >> be done by a tech). >> >> The Dragon, while maybe more robust mechanically, is far more >> complex electronically and is likely to give you more trouble >> in that area. When it does, it will likely require a trip to >> an (almost non existent) Nak technician. Spare parts are >> difficult to obtain for both, but, I believe, the Dragon is >> generally more problematic. >> >> My CR-7 wound up costing me about $950 over all. I paid $750 >> for this pristine condition deck 8 years ago. It already had a >> gear idler. I installed the EQ mod (I am an electronics >> engineer. Parts were about $25), and then had it realigned for >> about $150 (including shipping back and forth). Since then, I >> replaced pinch rollers and one IC. It has had extensive use. I >> can't say how much a Dragon would cost to maintain over the >> same period and amount of use, could easily be more. >> >> I don't know about current prices, but would beware a dealer >> bad mouthing a competitor and a model you are considering. Be >> aware that the CR-7 is definitely one of the best Nakamichi >> decks ever made -- you will be hard put to find an unsatisfied >> CR-7 owner. >> >> I encourage you to listen to both decks. Other possibilities >> would be a ZX7 or a ZX9 or any of the 680ZX series. If you >> prefer a reversing deck, the Dragon is a strong candidate, >> but also consider the RX-505. >> >> If you do decide to buy a CR-7, ask about the idler and the >> equalization mod. These greatly affect the price. >> >> Good luck, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I >>> mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market >>> for a >>> "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have >>> BX-100's) >>> I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with >>> buying machines on EBay. >>> So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: >>> 1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality >>> Nak deck >>> and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been >>> completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? >>> 2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found that are >>> worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the >>> best that >>> was currently around, but are there other available models that >>> lie in >>> between the CR-7A and the Dragon? >>> 3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as >>> opposed to >>> someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have >>> thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. >>> 4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices on >>> Naks >>> are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a >>> reliable one become available. >>> I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher >>> quality Nak >>> owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer vs. >>> another >>> and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from more >>> experience >>> Nak owners would be appreciated. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Derrick Beckner > Mapping Specialist > Map Library Supervisor > Penn State University > 1 Paterno Library > University Park, PA 16802 > dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/ > 814-863-5753 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. > From: > kannan srinivasaraghavan > Date: > Wed, 31 May 2006 06:44:15 -0700 (PDT) > To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: > 8bit > Precedence: > list > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > In-Reply-To: > <447D9800.1030706 at rcn.com> > Reply-To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <20060531134415.61326.qmail at web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: > multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1934958909-1149083055=:61298" > Message: > 6 > > > As Ron points out there are many options. If you choose a CR 7A ( > check for gear update as well as record eq mod done allready - or the > serial number is above 9000 - leave first part starting with A101 or > something like that for serial number) , Cam mode motor is one great > weakness and replacement capstan belt. Get a spare of both or stay > near Ron who had reworked on this motor. Otherwise I would not fault > a CR 7. > > If you do not need play azimuth adjusting facility, then ZX 7 for > about 300$ is a fantastic classic Nak transport with manual bias and > level adjustment. CR 4A is another equally great machine with > calibration facility. I would suggest a three head , bias , level > adjustment facility from any Nak because you just can' beat them like > your 582. RX 505 is a Nak without this facility but still a great machine. > keep a tidy 100 - 200$ range for spare parts on any machine you buy as > i have rarely seen a Nak without a problem! Atleast it needs a belt > change as well as head alignment. > Kannan > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Diane Meuser wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently > own 3 Nak > > BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been > > around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) > that > > sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on > consignment > > from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will > completely > > go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" > to it, > > which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and > I'm not > > sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their > consignment > > fee is 25% of selling price). > > > > I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from > repair, > > so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for a > CR-7A > > and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay > for a > > Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak decks and > > told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more > reasonable > > price. > > I beg to differ with this expert. When I was looking for a > 'better' Nakamichi deck to replace my 582, I was also leaning > towards a Dragon, but was encouraged by several people (that > did not have an ax to grind) to consider the CR-7. I did, > and after several listening tests chose a CR-7. This was 8 > years ago and I never regretted my decision. > > The CR-7 sounds nothing short of superb to me. It's sound > can be described as 'transparent', 'analytical' and > 'accurate'. Recordings of the best CDs are generally > indistinguishable from the original. While the Dragon > sounds very fine, it tends (to my ear. Others may disagree) > to the 'warm' side. Not much, but it's there. > > The Dragon can reverse the tape. I can easily live without > this. It also has much more elaborate automation. I can > gladly live without that, too. Decide whether these > features are important to you. > > The CR-7 transport is not of as high quality as the Dragon's > 'classic Nak' transport. This means it requires routine > maintenance (that you can perform yourself in 15 minutes, if > you are at all mechanically inclined) every couple of years > or so. If you buy one with a rubber idler, it will require a > tire replacement at the same interval, more or less (requires > a bit more mechanical dexterity and the tire costs under a > buck). The gear idler lives forever. If you buy an older one, > it may require a modification to the equalization circuit (to > be done by a tech). > > The Dragon, while maybe more robust mechanically, is far more > complex electronically and is likely to give you more trouble > in that area. When it does, it will likely require a trip to > an (almost non existent) Nak technician. Spare parts are > difficult to obtain for both, but, I believe, the Dragon is > generally more problematic. > > My CR-7 wound up costing me about $950 over all. I paid $750 > for this pristine condition deck 8 years ago. It already had a > gear idler. I installed the EQ mod (I am an electronics > engineer. Parts were about $25), and then had it realigned for > about $150 (including shipping back and forth). Since then, I > replaced pinch rollers and one IC. It has had extensive use. I > can't say how much a Dragon would cost to maintain over the > same period and amount of use, could easily be more. > > I don't know about current prices, but would beware a dealer > bad mouthing a competitor and a model you are considering. Be > aware that the CR-7 is definitely one of the best Nakamichi > decks ever made -- you will be hard put to find an unsatisfied > CR-7 owner. > > I encourage you to listen to both decks. Other possibilities > would be a ZX7 or a ZX9 or any of the 680ZX series. If you > prefer a reversing deck, the Dragon is a strong candidate, > but also consider the RX-505. > > If you do decide to buy a CR-7, ask about the idler and the > equalization mod. These greatly affect the price. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > > > I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I > > mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market for a > > "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have > BX-100's) > > I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with > > buying machines on EBay. > > > > So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: > > > > 1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality > Nak deck > > and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been > > completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? > > > > 2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found > that are > > worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the > best that > > was currently around, but are there other available models that > lie in > > between the CR-7A and the Dragon? > > > > 3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as > opposed to > > someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have > > thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. > > > > 4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices > on Naks > > are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a > > reliable one become available. > > > > I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher > quality Nak > > owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer > vs. another > > and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from > more experience > > Nak owners would be appreciated. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls > > to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Wed May 31 18:35:06 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:35:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Capstan for ZX-7 Message-ID: <442.2721472.31af1fba@aol.com> Hi Scott: I have a belt which I believe works well. You seem the expert and tester so I would like to send you this belt when I move back into my home as most of my supplies are in storage until mid June and then I have to find them. I believe the measurements were 9.37x.031x.025. I have found with PRB that there cuts are not always true as thickness varies etc. Before Russell took them over there belts were dynamite. Living 10 miles from PRB allows me to return them and get better ones. Sometimes I think they have 2 bins (good and excellent) LOL. Send me your address and I'll shoot one off to you in a couple of weeks, Regards, Dean Russell had a FRM9.3 or FRM9.4 belt I think it would be a much better match. The FRM9.2 belt is 9.2"IC, .210"width, .031"thick A couple belts that might work better are the: PRB P/N FR9.4 - 9.4"IC, .235"width, .034"thick and the EVG P/N 1407-505 - 9.4"IC, 0.235"wall, .030"thick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Wed May 31 18:54:25 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:54:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <42e.2ec8bba.31af2441@aol.com> Hi Paul: I have sold hundreds of these tires and have had no complaints in this regard. I also use these tires myself on reworks that I do. So there must be some other problem. The reel table notches could be worn and/or the honing on the brass driver of the motor shaft. I have reworked some really worn BXs and have never had a similar problem. It seems like the tension is to weak on the idler arm. In so far as the roundness of the tire just use your fingers to seat it tightly in the groove. Do this on all sides to help the tire have equal compression all around the tire. There may be a piece of the old tire in there. I have tested an oval shape on the wheel and take-up was still fine. This was just an experiment. Tire should be seated so round as possible. Anyone else -- opinions are welcome. In a message dated 5/31/2006 3:14:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: Den, I have installed the tyre but with the larger diameter hole, there is an eccentricity in the movement due to a small difference in the amount of tyre above the rim in one part of the whell and the other. I thought I had pushed it about the equalise it but you can see a slight eccentricity in the movement when on play. The machine will rewind and fast forward but it will not play... without a cassette you can get the takeup spool to work but when the cassette is inserted, there does not seem to be enough drive to turn the take up spool......I have cleaned the drive surfaces with alcohol to remove any grease, applied a drop of oil to the idler bearing but without success. I think the larger diameter of the wheel is a problem Regards Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 31 18:36:27 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:36:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Rubber tires for classic Nak transport In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060531113627.0082b100@earthlink.net> This tire always looks bad, and seems to work unitl it disintegrates. I would not try and change it. The job is monstorous! tom brucker At 06:34 AM 5/31/06 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Kannan! > >You ask to Dean this...I need two tires for the Classic nak transport( 582 / >Dragon). > >As I own a gifted Dragon made during 1984, how long more I also will need to >change this "Not so easy Job!!!" tire? + How I will notice that is worn & >need to be remove & change by a fresh one?. > >Be well Kannan & thnk you for your heart fully reply to me! > >ALEX! > > > > > >>From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rubber tires for classic Nak transport >>Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Hi Dean >> I have been reading your mails and thanks for doing a lot to get some of >>the rubber parts for Naks. I need two tires for the Classic nak transport( >>582 / Dragon) as I have one of the removed assembly with me that needs a >>tire. >> Secondly I need nak part 0C08096 replacement from PRB to try out. If you >>could let me know your paypal id, I can send you the amount asap. >> thanks and regards >> kannan >> >> >> >>N4229K at aol.com wrote: >> Hi >> From my experience it just could have been some dirt in the motor may >>not happen for a while if ever. I would give it another try. If you need >>a tire I have them in stock for $2.50 plus shipping for Naks.com members >>only. >> Let me know >> Dean >> >> >> In a message dated 5/30/2006 1:56:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>ra.ah at rcn.com writes: >> Paul Carrington wrote: >> > Antoine and Brandon, >> > >> > This morning when I switched on, the tape ejected altho I did not see >> > any movement of the nylon gears on the control motor which I was trying >> > to assist.. >> >>Bizarre... >> >> > However, with the casssette removed, I switched from play to >> > stop several times and it operated okay......So what do you think caused >> > the problem and is it likely to happen agiain? >> >>Obviously, the problem was caused by failure of the >>cam to move. This could be caused by failure of the >>motor itself (fairly common); if so, it will happen >>again. The cure is repair or replacement of the motor. >>It is also conceivable something got lodged in the >>worm gear, though I have never seen or heard of this >>happening. Another possibility is dirt/corrosion of >>one of the 3 control contacts. >> >>I suggest you clean the contacts (spray a drop of >>contact cleaner), clean and lubricate the worm >>gear and continue to use the deck. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >> > What Can I do to avoid it? >> > Next will be the replacement of the tyre! >> > Regards >> > Paul >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-Phone. Get >>Yahoo! Messenger with Voice > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 31 18:43:01 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:43:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] And the winner of round 1 is... (was: Help needed: 680zx) In-Reply-To: <38A883CF-B97E-4B92-961C-CCE89EA300EE@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060531114301.0082c340@earthlink.net> Kimo, Good news. I will try and post lamp sources soon. Meter issues are tricky. Some problems can be repaired by capacitor replacement in the power supply or drive circuit, but some are caused by wear. The decks with worn meters also have bad motors, since they were left on for long time periods. Ther is no easy way to determine meter health, other than to try and repair. Stop mute lamps were in the 580 and 680 series. The 1 k resistor applies to 580s, but the connecotr reference is different. tom brucker At 01:00 AM 5/31/06 -0700, you wrote: >da da da-daaahh...Tom > >Indeed, most of the symptoms were the infamouns stop light mute >problem. I actually thought the stop light worked when I got the deck >but it sure wasn't now. 'Course, it was the only light out on the >control panel. > >And I've even had a similar issue (as posted elsewhere) on the 700zxl >with the tape memory lights...but it didn't look (with my meager >schemo reading skills) that this was the same setup. Did Nak put out >TSBs on this stuff? What other decks have this type of issue (I think >Scott/Kannan mentioned a 48x deck). > >Is there a good part number & source for the bulbs? I've got a number >of decks with a lot of bulbs (a 1000zxl has about 40...times 3...plus >some others....)? I have the part list but it's always hard to match >current and physical size on the internet. Thanks in advance... > >The only other problem on the 680 appears to be in the meters and it >affects all the segments. To refresh (and with real signals now...), >when a signal is present, then all of the segments are on in a sort >of flickering and very dim mode. The flickering doesn't seem to match >the signal amplitude, and all segments seem to kind of faintly glow, >not just the ones that "should." I did measure the incoming signal >and its 5-7VDC steady with the cal tone (slightly different for each >channel; I know how to adjust this but it's kind of pointless without >the >meter working sufficiently). It drops to zero at a slow rate if you >switch out of Cal mode, so appears to match the expected ballistic >characteristics >(also speeds up more in the drop if you switch to VU mode).-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 31 18:58:31 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:58:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060531115831.0082d100@earthlink.net> I would consider the answer to the following: do you need adjustability? If you do not, then opt for a deck with the better transport. While the CR7 is a fine deck, the LX3 or LX5 provide an improvement in transport quality, and nicer looks, without $$$ prices for adjustability. My bias is to the "classic" mechanism used in the 580, 680, LX,ZX, Dragon series, because I object to the higher flutter in your BX series decks. I would value service between $80 and $150. I've seen LX5s on eBay for less than $100! HTH, tom brucker At 07:39 PM 5/30/06 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, > > I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently own 3 Nak > BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been > around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) that > sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on consignment > from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will completely > go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" to it, > which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and I'm not > sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their consignment > fee is 25% of selling price). > > I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from repair, > so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for a CR-7A > and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay for a > Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak decks and > told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more reasonable > price. I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I > mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market for a > "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have BX-100's) > I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with > buying machines on EBay. > > So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: > >1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality Nak deck > and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been > completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? > >2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found that are > worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the best that > was currently around, but are there other available models that lie in > between the CR-7A and the Dragon? > >3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as opposed to > someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have > thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. > >4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices on Naks > are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a > reliable one become available. > >I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher quality Nak >owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer vs. another >and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from more experience >Nak owners would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Diane > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From N4229K at aol.com Wed May 31 19:08:00 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:08:00 EDT Subject: [SPAM *30.500] Re: [SPAM *15.500] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other... Message-ID: <474.23611a5.31af2770@aol.com> If you want the LX-5 I have one in perfect cosmetic condition with orig box and papers and I would suggest have Tom go through it as it needs tire etc. Dean In a message dated 5/31/2006 10:46:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu writes: Honestly even without all the bells and whistles, I think the CR-5 made better recordings than the Dragon I had. Never had a CR-7. The playback on the Dragon really could get the last ounce out of just about any recording from any deck. Anyhow, I jumped in later here, so don't mind me. :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 31 19:04:53 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:04:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: <20060531140732.63519.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060531140732.63519.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <447DCCB5.7000303@rcn.com> Well, I am no position to argue, as I have never owned a Dragon. However, I have need following this email list for quite a few years now and am under the impression that Dragons can be troublesome in an expensive sort of way. I think that having played with just about any BX, MR and CR series decks, I feel comfortable with the Sankyo transport and find it easy to fix if and when it requires service, something akin to your feeling about the Dragon. -- Ron kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Ron > I beg to differ on Dragon maintanence issue. Dragon if it is in use > continuously after a routine maintanence will work without a problem > for 5 years straight. The classic nak transport is really sturdy and > nothing else would go wrong with Dragon. If you do not use it or store > it for a quite a period or store it in humid hot climate like in India, > it tends to give problem. Most of the time it is due to hardened grease > on pinchrollar pivot arm issue. The electronics is no more complex than > a CR 7. DD motor works like a charm - I have seen so many dragon now ( I > have two with me right now both came to me with problems and in 1 hour > they both started working!), I do nt consider that as a omplex > electromechanical beast. But it needs good knowledge of Dragon mechanics > - unfortunately not many are around. So is the case with any nak today. > Whereas CR 7 or any of the Sankyo transport deck develops prolem even > when you use. particularly cam motor and I have seen many DD decks like > CR 7, BX 300 or CR 4 develop capstan bearing clog and DD motor current > draw increases to a point when it stops working. I also noticed many > develop reel motor problems. Sankyo transport is likely to develop > problems much more than a classic Nak transport including Dragon. > kannan > */Ron /* wrote: > > I beg to differ with this expert. When I was looking for a > 'better' Nakamichi deck to replace my 582, I was also leaning > towards a Dragon, but was encouraged by several people (that > did not have an ax to grind) to consider the CR-7. I did, > and after several listening tests chose a CR-7. This was 8 > years ago and I never regretted my decision. > > The CR-7 sounds nothing short of superb to me. It's sound > can be described as 'transparent', 'analytical' and > 'accurate'. Recordings of the best CDs are generally > indistinguishable from the original. While the Dragon > sounds very fine, it tends (to my ear. Others may disagree) > to the 'warm' side. Not much, but it's there. > > The Dragon can reverse the tape. I can easily live without > this. It also has much more elaborate automation. I can > gladly live without that, too. Decide whether these > features are important to you. > > The CR-7 transport is not of as high quality as the Dragon's > 'classic Nak' transport. This means it requires routine > maintenance (that you can perform yourself in 15 minutes, if > you are at all mechanically inclined) every couple of years > or so. If you buy one with a rubber idler, it will require a > tire replacement at the same interval, more or less (requires > a bit more mechanical dexterity and the tire costs under a > buck). The gear idler lives forever. If you buy an older one, > it may require a modification to the equalization circuit (to > be done by a tech). > > The Dragon, while maybe more robust mechanically, is far more > complex electronically and is likely to give you more trouble > in that area. When it does, it will likely require a trip to > an (almost non existent) Nak technician. Spare parts are > difficult to obtain for both, but, I believe, the Dragon is > generally more problematic. > > I don't know about current prices, but would beware a dealer > bad mouthing a competitor and a model you are considering. Be > aware that the CR-7 is definitely one of the best Nakamichi > decks ever made -- you will be hard put to find an unsatisfied > CR-7 owner. > > I encourage you to listen to both decks. Other possibilities > would be a ZX7 or a ZX9 or any of the 680ZX series. If you > prefer a reversing deck, the Dragon is a strong candidate, > but also consider the RX-505. > > If you do decide to buy a CR-7, ask about the idler and the > equalization mod. These greatly affect the price. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed May 31 19:35:46 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:35:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. Message-ID: > The Dragon, while maybe more robust mechanically, is far more > complex electronically and is likely to give you more trouble > in that area. When it does, it will likely require a trip to > an (almost non existent) Nak technician. I will point out that you (Diane) are within driving distance (albeit probably an all-day affair) of ESL. That would probably be an expensive service trip if needed, but at least you can do it without shipping the machine (and risking damage in the shipping process, no matter how well you pack). You may still choose to ship it if you can't/don't want to take the time, but for for me that would make it so that complex service issues would be less of a factor in the decision.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Wed May 31 19:52:40 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:52:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Idler Tyre Message-ID: <447DD7E8.7020606@caribsurf.com> Dean, I removed the idler tyre and confirmed the hub was clean. I replaced the tyre but with the hole in the tyre larger than the hub, when you push one side firmly in, the opposite side bulges. Without a cassette loaded, the play mode will work(with a slightly eccentric movement due to the fit of the tyre, and there appears to be reasonable tension on the take-up spool. When a tape is inserted, it gives a turn or two on the take-up spool and then comes to a halt, tripping the mechanism...... the FWD and REW are both working okay.! Regards Paul From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed May 31 20:12:44 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:12:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rubber tires for classic Nak transport Message-ID: Hi Tom! Did you reply to me? If yes...be 100% sure that all the time works...I won't touch it! Second, today I listen a one side of a cassette...once a week, here where I live now; is Summer & extremely dry climatic...so all the problems that Kannan wrote there in India, won't happen to me...I really hope!?. BTW...my sole reason why I only listen one side of any cassette, is; that I need to change the cam rubber belt..if I try to use it for more time that 50 minutes (Cassette length 100 minutes)...such belt will start slipping...till the sound came "Unstable"...& the deck stop playing. 50 minutes till I will be able to dismantle the cover & do the job...sasrifies me! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rubber tires for classic Nak transport >Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:36:27 -0500 > >This tire always looks bad, and seems to work unitl it disintegrates. I >would not try and change it. The job is monstorous! > >tom brucker > >At 06:34 AM 5/31/06 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi Kannan! > > > >You ask to Dean this...I need two tires for the Classic nak transport( >582 / > >Dragon). > > > >As I own a gifted Dragon made during 1984, how long more I also will need >to > >change this "Not so easy Job!!!" tire? + How I will notice that is worn & > >need to be remove & change by a fresh one?. > > > >Be well Kannan & thnk you for your heart fully reply to me! > > > >ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rubber tires for classic Nak transport > >>Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT) > >> > >>Hi Dean > >> I have been reading your mails and thanks for doing a lot to get some >of > >>the rubber parts for Naks. I need two tires for the Classic nak >transport( > >>582 / Dragon) as I have one of the removed assembly with me that needs >a > >>tire. > >> Secondly I need nak part 0C08096 replacement from PRB to try out. If >you > >>could let me know your paypal id, I can send you the amount asap. > >> thanks and regards > >> kannan > >> > >> > >> > >>N4229K at aol.com wrote: > >> Hi > >> From my experience it just could have been some dirt in the motor may > >>not happen for a while if ever. I would give it another try. If you >need > >>a tire I have them in stock for $2.50 plus shipping for Naks.com members > >>only. > >> Let me know > >> Dean > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 5/30/2006 1:56:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >>ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > >> Paul Carrington wrote: > >> > Antoine and Brandon, > >> > > >> > This morning when I switched on, the tape ejected altho I did not see > >> > any movement of the nylon gears on the control motor which I was >trying > >> > to assist.. > >> > >>Bizarre... > >> > >> > However, with the casssette removed, I switched from play to > >> > stop several times and it operated okay......So what do you think >caused > >> > the problem and is it likely to happen agiain? > >> > >>Obviously, the problem was caused by failure of the > >>cam to move. This could be caused by failure of the > >>motor itself (fairly common); if so, it will happen > >>again. The cure is repair or replacement of the motor. > >>It is also conceivable something got lodged in the > >>worm gear, though I have never seen or heard of this > >>happening. Another possibility is dirt/corrosion of > >>one of the 3 control contacts. > >> > >>I suggest you clean the contacts (spray a drop of > >>contact cleaner), clean and lubricate the worm > >>gear and continue to use the deck. > >> > >>-- Ron > >> > >> > >> > >> > What Can I do to avoid it? > >> > Next will be the replacement of the tyre! > >> > Regards > >> > Paul > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------- > >>Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-Phone. Get > >>Yahoo! Messenger with Voice > > > > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed May 31 20:27:49 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:27:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] And the winner of round 1 is... (was: Help needed: 680zx) Message-ID: > Meter issues are tricky. Some problems can be repaired by capacitor > replacement in the power supply or drive circuit, but some are > caused by > wear. Is this the same for the fluoroscan display meters? I would think it sounds more like a mechanical meter type (but I'm not sure). I do notice even without figuring out the details of the schemo, that there's not too many parts that are related to ALL the meter segments (note that the numerical display is correct, although, in fact, seems brighter than I might expect but that's only comparing it to the 3 1000zxl's displays I have). I did try replacing the 3 orange caps on a whim; no go. I don't yet have a meter with a frequency counter to check the clock frequency, but I tried moving the pot a little to see if it changed things (and then setting it back as well as could be done visually) and that didn't really affect things at all. I've heard bad things about other manufactuer's fluroscan displays, but the 3 1000zxls I have never had a significant problem there, at least not with the display itself.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Wed May 31 20:31:58 2006 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:31:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060531115831.0082d100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have had both CR7 and Dragon over the years and I bought these units brand new at the end of their lifecycle so I had the latest versions. What can I say is while the CR7 sounded fine, it shared many vital components with a BX300 which was Naks budget line. Fortunately, the CR7 was blessed with auto calibration, adjustable playback head azimuth and a real time counter but its purpose for its creation was to address some of the niggling concerns of consumers who did not want the hassle of doing any kind of manual calibration. This deck came with a remote and will choose the appropriate equalization so you dont forget to push the correct setting before making that all important recording. Another reason for its birth was to counter Revox's B-215 since Nak had retired the ZX-9. This retirement was done to encourage sales of Dragons whose introduction was awful for its reliability. With both decks at my disposal, my favourite was Dragon. When functioning properly, it was superior both in record and playback and used Nak's classic transport which was their best ever. I do agree there is probably more that can go wrong with one than a CR7 but it had a warmth that was captivating not to mention the extended bass response and fullness in its presentation. Feature wise the CR7 is loaded and is extremely easy to use but you dont have control of the recording parameters since the computer does everything for you. It also lacks punch-in recording which I find necessary for my purposes. Do you like driving a manual tranny or an automatic? boogie >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A vs. Dragon or other? Opinions welcome. >Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:58:31 -0500 > >I would consider the answer to the following: do you need adjustability? >If you do not, then opt for a deck with the better transport. While the CR7 >is a fine deck, the LX3 or LX5 provide an improvement in transport quality, >and nicer looks, without $$$ prices for adjustability. My bias is to the >"classic" mechanism used in the 580, 680, LX,ZX, Dragon series, because I >object to the higher flutter in your BX series decks. >I would value service between $80 and $150. I've seen LX5s on eBay for >less than $100! > >HTH, > >tom brucker > >At 07:39 PM 5/30/06 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Hi, > > > > I would like to purchase a high quality Nak deck (I currently own 3 >Nak > > BX-100's). There are two stores near me in Boston (both have been > > around along time and are highly reputable as far as I can tell) that > > sell used Naks when they get them. One just got a CR-7A on >consignment > > from an original owner who now wants to sell it. They will >completely > > go over it to make sure it is in good shape and do "everything" to >it, > > which includes checking it over, cleaning it lubricating it and I'm >not > > sure what else. The price for the deck will be $500. (Their >consignment > > fee is 25% of selling price). > > > > I was in the other Nak store getting one of my decks back from >repair, > > so I asked his opinion. He said $500 was way too expensive for a >CR-7A > > and this was more along the lines of what one would perhaps pay for a > > Dragon. He thought the CR-7A was NOT one of the better Nak decks and > > told me he would find a "better" Nak deck for me at a more reasonable > > price. I'm not sure how quickly this would happen, since I am sure I > > mentioned to him more than a year ago that I was in the market for a > > "better" Nak deck and he never got back to me (he knows I have >BX-100's) > > I know that he also thinks there can be lots of problems with > > buying machines on EBay. > > > > So a few questions I'm sure some Naktalkers can help me with: > > > >1) I had formed the impression that the CR-7A was a high quality Nak >deck > > and that $500 was a reasonable price to pay for one that had been > > completely gone over by a dealer. Am I wrong? Opinons? > > > >2) What are the other high quality Nak decks that can be found that are > > worth considering? I had the opinion that the Dragon was the best >that > > was currently around, but are there other available models that lie in > > between the CR-7A and the Dragon? > > > >3) How much extra is it worth to buy a machine from a dealer as opposed >to > > someone on EBay? Any thoughts on one vs. the other? I would have > > thought a Dragon through a dealer would be a LOT more expensive. > > > >4) Should I wait to find a Dragon? The second dealer said prices on Naks > > are dropping, which I can believe. The question I suppose is will a > > reliable one become available. > > > >I love my lower quality Naks and would like to become a higher quality >Nak > >owner. I'm wondering whether this is just a case of one dealer vs. >another > >and what is the real truth here. Any advice or opinions from more >experience > >Nak owners would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Diane > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From N4229K at aol.com Wed May 31 21:57:39 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:57:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Idler Tyre Message-ID: <3af.34a6052.31af4f33@aol.com> Again Paul I don't believe its the tire. I have the smaller tire I can send if you desire. I have never had this problem even with a slight bulge. Please resend your address if you want a replacement. Did you pay through PayPal? Let me know, Dean In a message dated 5/31/2006 2:50:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: Dean, I removed the idler tyre and confirmed the hub was clean. I replaced the tyre but with the hole in the tyre larger than the hub, when you push one side firmly in, the opposite side bulges. Without a cassette loaded, the play mode will work(with a slightly eccentric movement due to the fit of the tyre, and there appears to be reasonable tension on the take-up spool. When a tape is inserted, it gives a turn or two on the take-up spool and then comes to a halt, tripping the mechanism...... the FWD and REW are both working okay.! Regards Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If REW and FF work but Play doesn't, suspect the reel motor. -- Ron From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed May 31 21:28:17 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:28:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Classic Mechanism Capstan Belt Message-ID: <7C893AD3-6ABB-4B7A-B05F-5631F4F26FD6@alumni.caltech.edu> > With the PRB FRM9.2 belt wow and flutter increased to between 0.11 > and 0.16% with occasional peaks of up to 0.18%. Speed jumped from > 0.5% fast to 3.0% fast. > Seems odd to me that the speed would be affected that much unless the deck had previously had its speed adjusted with the old belt slipping a lot, no? The W/F I can see being easily affected by a belt, but shouldn't the predominant factor for the speed be the sizes of the pulleys (fixed)?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2006\2006-November.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Nov 1 16:47:15 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:47:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizer / defluxer Message-ID: <001101c6fdcd$05b97100$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, I am looking around for a good quality demagnetizer / defluxer. Should I go for a second hand Nakamichi DM-10, a S&R Audio DM-10. Or a new Ferrograph D3 that I can buy in DK at only $31 http://www.meistrup.com/images_tilbud/ferrograph_defluxer.jpg Best Regards, Per From benstratford at aol.com Wed Nov 1 17:05:37 2006 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:05:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape degradation Message-ID: <8C8CBE6B44D49EB-5DC-2617@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Having just cleaned the capstans on the ZX-9 with IPA and q-tips, loads of dirt was visible on the q-tip. Or was this small particles of tape that have flaked off? Now with the MA-R's and MA-XG's I'm using becoming older, how much mileage could I expect to get out of them? Should I stock up on tapes now as they are getting scarce or will they degrade through age? Anyone know how to test a tape to see if it has any mileage left in it? Or how well used a second hand tape may be? A bit off the nak subject but important nevertheless. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Nov 1 17:52:37 2006 From: nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk (nigel vernon) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:52:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nak 700 ii needs work.Anyone in uk interested? In-Reply-To: <4546AF91.3000607@rcn.com> Message-ID: Anyone interested in buying this from me. An ebay blunder.Powers up and vdu's light up. But there is no response to ff/rw/play/record buttons. Eject mechanism doesn't work either.Cosmetically the silver front is very good, there are some scuffs to the wood at the rear.I don't have the skills or inclination. Maybe it isn't repairable? I live in Wales near Welshpool if anyone wants to look first. Maybe it is more appropriate to contact me off list. nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk Thanks. > > > > > >> >>*/bruce inkman /* wrote: >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to >> Yahoo! Groups. >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters From btorre at ix.netcom.com Wed Nov 1 17:57:41 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:57:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak 700 ii needs work.Anyone in uk interested? In-Reply-To: References: <4546AF91.3000607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061101115244.044f0940@ix.netcom.com> At 11:52 AM 11/1/06, you wrote: >Anyone interested in buying this from me. An ebay blunder.Powers up >and vdu's light up. But there is no response to ff/rw/play/record >buttons. Eject mechanism doesn't work either.Cosmetically the silver >front is very good, there are some scuffs to the wood at the rear.I >don't have the skills or inclination. Maybe it isn't repairable? I >live in Wales near Welshpool if anyone wants to look first. As far as the buttons not working, there are edge-card style connectors in the 700II that get a little green over time. When I got my 700II, I had to spend a few hours opening it up and cleaning all of those contacts. The connectors Nak used don't have much grab and tend to have a little slop in them. Just clean them up and re-seat them & that may fix the problem. Remember, the 700II is no spring chicken anymore and will need some attention. It's old enough to vote! Ben From btorre at ix.netcom.com Wed Nov 1 17:59:58 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:59:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape degradation In-Reply-To: <8C8CBE6B44D49EB-5DC-2617@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8CBE6B44D49EB-5DC-2617@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061101115758.036ffb60@ix.netcom.com> At 11:05 AM 11/1/06, you wrote: >Having just cleaned the capstans on the ZX-9 with IPA and q-tips, >loads of dirt was visible on the q-tip. Or was this small particles >of tape that have flaked off? Now with the MA-R's and MA-XG's I'm >using becoming older, how much mileage could I expect to get out of >them? Should I stock up on tapes now as they are getting scarce or >will they degrade through age? Anyone know how to test a tape to >see if it has any mileage left in it? Or how well used a second >hand tape may be? A bit off the nak subject but important nevertheless. Richard Hess has a whole section in his website devoted to tape degradation issues... http://www.richardhess.com/ From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Wed Nov 1 19:20:26 2006 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:20:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Slipping Up Message-ID: <008201c6fde2$68279aa0$2d849ed9@f9w2m0> I have a ZX7 which would make a grating sound when stopping after rewinding - sounded like little nylon teeth not doing what they should! Thinking to fiddle, I removed the top and poked about - little to observe but thought a little silicon grease might do the trick without a major stripdown, as it did wonders for my BX300. So I masked off belts, heads etc and gave the nylon bits a blast. Immediate success! No more grinding noise, but then after playing a tape for few minutes, no more playback! - the cam motor could not quite bring the mechanism into position - I could hear the cam motor whining slightly. With a prod on the lugs on the gear wheel, it would play the tape and the cam motor switched off. Rewind and forward wind were similarly afflicted. I suspect I have got grease on the cam motor belt. What a jerk, I here you say - amateurs etc. A fair amount of gunge is visible amongst the gears but belts appear to be tight and in good nick. I have no service manual but am about to strip it down and clean everything off and reasssemble, and hopefully get this wondrous machine up and running. Any suggestions: I presume its fascia off, disconnect and remove the mech; then back plate off and . . . . . Thanks in advance John Chapman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No more grinding noise, but then after playing a tape for few minutes, no more playback! - the cam motor could not quite bring the mechanism into position - I could hear the cam motor whining slightly. With a prod on the lugs on the gear wheel, it would play the tape and the cam motor switched off. Rewind and forward wind were similarly afflicted. I suspect I have got grease on the cam motor belt. What a jerk, I here you say - amateurs etc. A fair amount of gunge is visible amongst the gears but belts appear to be tight and in good nick. I have no service manual but am about to strip it down and clean everything off and reasssemble, and hopefully get this wondrous machine up and running. Any suggestions: I presume its fascia off, disconnect and remove the mech; then back plate off and . . . . . Thanks in advance John Chapman ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 1 20:49:57 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:49:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape degradation In-Reply-To: <8C8CBE6B44D49EB-5DC-2617@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8CBE6B44D49EB-5DC-2617@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4548FA65.2040408@rcn.com> benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Having just cleaned the capstans on the ZX-9 with IPA and q-tips, loads > of dirt was visible on the q-tip. Or was this small particles of tape > that have flaked off? Now with the MA-R's and MA-XG's I'm using > becoming older, how much mileage could I expect to get out of them? > Should I stock up on tapes now as they are getting scarce or will they > degrade through age? Anyone know how to test a tape to see if it has > any mileage left in it? Or how well used a second hand tape may be? A > bit off the nak subject but important nevertheless. > I have no scientific evidence, one way or the other, but... I have recording and playing back cassettes for over 35 years now and have never had a blank cassette go bad on me. I did have some prerecorded cassettes fail -- either the shell, or squealing. -- Rom From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 1 20:51:39 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:51:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Slipping Up In-Reply-To: <008201c6fde2$68279aa0$2d849ed9@f9w2m0> Message-ID: <20061101195139.28633.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well you original problem, the noise when going into stop is very common and is addressed in a nakamichi service information NR-0040 which can be found here on my web site. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_NR-0040.gif Now that you got lube everywhere it's going to be a lot harder to fix. Good luck. Start off cleaning the cam belt pulleys and install a new belt. That will probably fix your problem. SJ --- John Chapman wrote: > I have a ZX7 which would make a grating sound when stopping after > rewinding - sounded like little nylon teeth not doing what they > should! Thinking to fiddle, I removed the top and poked about - > little to observe but thought a little silicon grease might do the > trick without a major stripdown, as it did wonders for my BX300. > > So I masked off belts, heads etc and gave the nylon bits a blast. > Immediate success! No more grinding noise, but then after playing a > tape for few minutes, no more playback! - the cam motor could not > quite bring the mechanism into position - I could hear the cam > motor whining slightly. With a prod on the lugs on the gear wheel, > it would play the tape and the cam motor switched off. Rewind and > forward wind were similarly afflicted. I suspect I have got grease > on the cam motor belt. > > What a jerk, I here you say - amateurs etc. A fair amount of gunge > is visible amongst the gears but belts appear to be tight and in > good nick. I have no service manual but am about to strip it down > and clean everything off and reasssemble, and hopefully get this > wondrous machine up and running. Any suggestions: I presume its > fascia off, disconnect and remove the mech; then back plate off and > . . . . . > > Thanks in advance > > John Chapman> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) From bruce4inkman at yahoo.com Wed Nov 1 21:44:15 2006 From: bruce4inkman at yahoo.com (bruce inkman) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:44:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR3A belt changing details needed In-Reply-To: <4546AF91.3000607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20061101204415.50775.qmail@web57715.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ron - Thanks for your comments. I'm trying to replace the belt whenever I have time. I've reread your comments and Kannan's and would like to avoid removing the transport if possible. (With help, I got it part way out but did not disconnect wiring and was therefore unable to make significant headway so I put it back.) When I look at the back plate, I see the obvious 2 screws but can't tell if there is another behind the motor. Can you advise me about: a. number of screws b. how the plate comes off (i.e. completely or just far enough to slip the new belt in)? c, how and what to use to lube the capstan bearings Thanks for the tips about handling the belt and cleaning the flywheels! I appreciate any help whenever you have time. Didn't think I would be willing to try this but you and Kannan provided needed encouragement. Bruce Ron wrote: Some comments on Kannan's excellent instruction. First, you can get away without taking the transport out. Access to the screws holding the transport back plate in place is far more difficult, but still doable. Second, try to avoid touching the new belt (I put on vinyl gloves) while installing it. Third, while the old belt is out and before installing the new one, it's a good idea to thoroughly clean the flywheel surfaces. Fourth, This is an opportunity to lubricate the capstan bearings (then clean the capstans). -- Ron kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > You can remove the back plate over the two capstan flywheels to remove > the belt ( without cutting) and placing the new belt in place. You have > remove the complete transport from the cabinet by removing two screw at > the bottom and one one top. _ ofcourse you have to remove the front face > Cover to access all these screws. try to get a service manual and you > can see the way to do these. > kannan > > */bruce inkman /* wrote: > > I have a CR3a, the service manual, a new belt but very limited tech > experience. Have removed top and bottom covers, looseened transport > mechanism screws, per manual, to free the transport, but don't see > how to slip the old belt off and new one on. Service manual doesn't > offer any hints about needing to take more of the transport apart. > Could someone offer specifics? > Thanks > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to > Yahoo! Groups. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wjw at warwick.net Wed Nov 1 21:55:57 2006 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:55:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape degradation References: <8C8CBE6B44D49EB-5DC-2617@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061101115758.036ffb60@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <454909DD.8444168B@warwick.net> I will definitely be reading the info on Richard Hess' site, and although I'm no expert on this I can offer some info based on my own experience. You're most probably just dealing with accumulated dirt, etc. and it's amazing how often tape heads and paths, capstans, etc. need to be cleaned with moderate to heavy use of a deck. If you were dealing with a serious tape degradation issue, i.e. the oxide coming loose from the tape, you would notice it right away on playback of the tape. The sound quality would drop dramatically upon playing the tape for just a few minutes, and it would really gunk up the works on your cassette deck, so that any other tapes you played would sound lousy too until you cleaned the deck. I had this happen on a bad batch of TDK normal bias tape that was manufactured way back in the early 1970s, and TDK admitted at the time that they had a problem with whatever they had used to bind the oxide to the tape. Even then it wasn't apparent on every tape, but on the bad ones it became apparent immediately upon playback after a relatively short time after the tape had been recorded. I've been involved for a few years in a project of digitizing and also recording onto new cassettes some 2,600 lecture tapes that were originally recorded on both 7 1/2" reel tapes and then cassette tapes once the cassette technology really took hold in the late 60s. I have to say that I am amazed at how both reel tape and cassette tapes hold up over the years. Some of the reels go back to 1955, and all of the cassette masters are pre-1975 and Type I normal bias tape. With the exception of that bad batch of TDK tape, the reel and cassette masters are still amazingly clear and apparently very stabile in regard to oxide loss. Fortunately almost all the 7 1/2" reel tape was mylar or plastic based and not acetate, which can really have some problems. Most, and especially the reels, have been stored in ordinary 'house hold' conditions, with the usual seasonal fluctuations of temperature and humidity. Some of the later cassettes were stored in a temperature and humidity controlled room. In my own personal tape collection I have tapes recorded on your average old Type I normal biased tape that go back to 1985 and have been stored just in ordinary household conditions. They still play just fine and I don't notice any appreciable oxide loss when I play them back. As far as stocking up on tape goes, I'd recommend it. I'd be wary of 'used' tape, but I think new tape will stay stabile for quite a long time if it's kept in reasonable conditions. I'm able to get cassettes through a wholesaler in N.J. due to the large project I'm doing for this particular organization, and every time I order a new batch of tapes the selection seems to be getting more and more limited, especially for certain tape lengths. Four years ago I was able to get Maxell XLIIS and TDK SA-X in both 90 and 100 minute lengths. About a year ago I had to downgrade to Maxell XLII and TDK SA, and just about a month ago I had to go to Maxell XLII 110 minute tapes for the longer length, because the 100 minute tapes are just not being manufactured anymore and the shelf stocks are disappearing. I don't know how it is for the Metal tape, but I think the 90 minute Type II cassettes will still be manufactured and available, because there is enough of a demand for them. But the really high end Type II tapes are getting rarer and rarer as time goes on. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the quality control and production standards for cassette tape is still what it was a few years ago, now that tape in general is no longer the top media for recording and preservation. Ben Torre wrote: > At 11:05 AM 11/1/06, you wrote: > >Having just cleaned the capstans on the ZX-9 with IPA and q-tips, > >loads of dirt was visible on the q-tip. Or was this small particles > >of tape that have flaked off? Now with the MA-R's and MA-XG's I'm > >using becoming older, how much mileage could I expect to get out of > >them? Should I stock up on tapes now as they are getting scarce or > >will they degrade through age? Anyone know how to test a tape to > >see if it has any mileage left in it? Or how well used a second > >hand tape may be? A bit off the nak subject but important nevertheless. > > Richard Hess has a whole section in his website devoted to tape > degradation issues... > > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Nov 1 22:12:57 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:12:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizer / defluxer In-Reply-To: <001101c6fdcd$05b97100$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <001101c6fdcd$05b97100$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <66D261A1-BBB8-4B39-B5C1-8BFEBFE15C03@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Per, Actually, I'd recommend the Annis Han D Mag, the only degausser I use. The Ferrograph should be OK, but not as effective as the Annis. The Ferro's 5-minutes-only duty cycle bothers me -- it seems a bit underengineered. I'm not impressed with the DM-10 or its clone. I have a Nak DM-10 (haven't used it in 25 years!) and it is marginal overall, even when compared to the Teac E-3. BEWARE degaussers on eBay -- most sold today are junk, in my experience. On Nov 1, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Per wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking around for a good quality demagnetizer / defluxer. > Should I go for a second hand Nakamichi DM-10, a S&R Audio DM-10. > Or a new Ferrograph D3 that I can buy in DK at only $31 > http://www.meistrup.com/images_tilbud/ferrograph_defluxer.jpg > > Best Regards, > > Per > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From Benstratford at aol.com Wed Nov 1 22:14:22 2006 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:14:22 EST Subject: [naktalk] Tape Degradation Message-ID: Bill & Ben, Thanks for your responses which are reassuring, I guess if the tapes sound fine then they are fine. Will definitely stock up on new tapes when I can to ensure my naks are used for a good few years yet. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Wed Nov 1 23:37:19 2006 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:37:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Slipping up - upshot! Message-ID: <00ec01c6fe06$655b9f00$2d849ed9@f9w2m0> Hi guys - talk about a quick fix - thanks Scott. One drop of oil either end of the cam bearing and that was that: Is it a record - a post, a reply and the machine fixed in 3 hours!!! Thanks - power to Nakkers John Chapman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 2 02:25:27 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:25:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR3A belt changing details needed In-Reply-To: <20061101204415.50775.qmail@web57715.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20061101204415.50775.qmail@web57715.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45494907.70606@rcn.com> Bruce, Sorry, I do not have a CR-3 available, nor the service manual for it, so all I can rely on is memory. As far as I recall, there are just two screws that hold the motor plate in place. Remove one and loosen the other enough to tilt the plate. That should give you a gap to slip the old belt out and the new one in. Stretch the new belt over the motor pulley and flywheel AFTER reassembly. I thought you said you had the service manual. If in doubt, look up the mechanical expanded view. Good luck, -- Ron bruce inkman wrote: > Ron - Thanks for your comments. I'm trying to replace the belt whenever > I have time. I've reread your comments and Kannan's and would like to > avoid removing the transport if possible. (With help, I got it part way > out but did not disconnect wiring and was therefore unable to make > significant headway so I put it back.) > > When I look at the back plate, I see the obvious 2 screws but can't tell > if there is another behind the motor. > Can you advise me about: > a. number of screws > b. how the plate comes off (i.e. completely or just far enough to slip > the new belt in)? > c, how and what to use to lube the capstan bearings > > Thanks for the tips about handling the belt and cleaning the flywheels! > I appreciate any help whenever you have time. Didn't think I would be > willing to try this but you and Kannan provided needed encouragement. > > Bruce > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Some comments on Kannan's excellent instruction. First, > you can get away without taking the transport out. Access > to the screws holding the transport back plate in place > is far more difficult, but still doable. Second, try to > avoid touching the new belt (I put on vinyl gloves) while > installing it. Third, while the old belt is out and before > installing the new one, it's a good idea to thoroughly > clean the flywheel surfaces. Fourth, This is an > opportunity to lubricate the capstan bearings (then clean > the capstans). > > -- Ron > > > > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > You can remove the back plate over the two capstan flywheels to > remove > > the belt ( without cutting) and placing the new belt in place. > You have > > remove the complete transport from the cabinet by removing two > screw at > > the bottom and one one top. _ ofcourse you have to remove the > front face > > Cover to access all these screws. try to get a service manual and > you > > can see the way to do these. > > kannan > > > > */bruce inkman /* wrote: > > > > I have a CR3a, the service manual, a new belt but very limited tech > > experience. Have removed top and bottom covers, looseened transport > > mechanism screws, per manual, to free the transport, but don't see > > how to slip the old belt off and new one on. Service manual doesn't > > offer any hints about needing to take more of the transport apart. > > Could someone offer specifics? > > Thanks From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Nov 2 02:32:05 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:32:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape degradation In-Reply-To: <454909DD.8444168B@warwick.net> Message-ID: <26005.27349.qm@web50014.mail.yahoo.com> you know back in it 80's TDK was top of the line as far as tapes went, now I find they are just not up to what the old SAX and metal were now they have welded cases and don't sound as good as maxell which I have tried and like. (maxell-II) but I think you are right we need stock up on what ever you can find that you like. --- Bill Wheatley wrote: > I will definitely be reading the info on Richard > Hess' site, and although > I'm no expert on this I can offer some info based on > my own experience. > You're most probably just dealing with accumulated > dirt, etc. and it's amazing > how often tape heads and paths, capstans, etc. need > to be cleaned with > moderate to heavy use of a deck. > If you were dealing with a serious tape > degradation issue, i.e. the oxide > coming loose from the tape, you would notice it > right away on playback of the > tape. The sound quality would drop dramatically > upon playing the tape for > just a few minutes, and it would really gunk up the > works on your cassette > deck, so that any other tapes you played would sound > lousy too until you > cleaned the deck. > I had this happen on a bad batch of TDK normal > bias tape that was > manufactured way back in the early 1970s, and TDK > admitted at the time that > they had a problem with whatever they had used to > bind the oxide to the tape. > Even then it wasn't apparent on every tape, but on > the bad ones it became > apparent immediately upon playback after a > relatively short time after the > tape had been recorded. > I've been involved for a few years in a project > of digitizing and also > recording onto new cassettes some 2,600 lecture > tapes that were originally > recorded on both 7 1/2" reel tapes and then cassette > tapes once the cassette > technology really took hold in the late 60s. > I have to say that I am amazed at how both reel > tape and cassette tapes > hold up over the years. Some of the reels go back > to 1955, and all of the > cassette masters are pre-1975 and Type I normal bias > tape. > With the exception of that bad batch of TDK tape, > the reel and cassette > masters are still amazingly clear and apparently > very stabile in regard to > oxide loss. Fortunately almost all the 7 1/2" reel > tape was mylar or plastic > based and not acetate, which can really have some > problems. Most, and > especially the reels, have been stored in ordinary > 'house hold' conditions, > with the usual seasonal fluctuations of temperature > and humidity. Some of the > later cassettes were stored in a temperature and > humidity controlled room. > In my own personal tape collection I have tapes > recorded on your average > old Type I normal biased tape that go back to 1985 > and have been stored just > in ordinary household conditions. They still play > just fine and I don't > notice any appreciable oxide loss when I play them > back. > > As far as stocking up on tape goes, I'd > recommend it. I'd be wary of > 'used' tape, but I think new tape will stay stabile > for quite a long time if > it's kept in reasonable conditions. I'm able to get > cassettes through a > wholesaler in N.J. due to the large project I'm > doing for this particular > organization, and every time I order a new batch of > tapes the selection seems > to be getting more and more limited, especially for > certain tape lengths. > Four years ago I was able to get Maxell XLIIS and > TDK SA-X in both 90 and 100 > minute lengths. About a year ago I had to downgrade > to Maxell XLII and TDK > SA, and just about a month ago I had to go to Maxell > XLII 110 minute tapes for > the longer length, because the 100 minute tapes are > just not being > manufactured anymore and the shelf stocks are > disappearing. > I don't know how it is for the Metal tape, but I > think the 90 minute Type > II cassettes will still be manufactured and > available, because there is enough > of a demand for them. But the really high end Type > II tapes are getting rarer > and rarer as time goes on. > I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the > quality control and > production standards for cassette tape is still what > it was a few years ago, > now that tape in general is no longer the top media > for recording and > preservation. > > Ben Torre wrote: > > > At 11:05 AM 11/1/06, you wrote: > > >Having just cleaned the capstans on the ZX-9 with > IPA and q-tips, > > >loads of dirt was visible on the q-tip. Or was > this small particles > > >of tape that have flaked off? Now with the > MA-R's and MA-XG's I'm > > >using becoming older, how much mileage could I > expect to get out of > > >them? Should I stock up on tapes now as they are > getting scarce or > > >will they degrade through age? Anyone know how > to test a tape to > > >see if it has any mileage left in it? Or how > well used a second > > >hand tape may be? A bit off the nak subject but > important nevertheless. > > > > Richard Hess has a whole section in his website > devoted to tape > > degradation issues... > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com) From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Thu Nov 2 03:27:01 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:27:01 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Tape degradation Message-ID: <015101c6fe26$6123db30$421098de@tec> Hello all I had one TDK 10.5 inch reel tape made in the 1970s that spread its oxide all over the place, like glue. I have very old BASF 10.5 inch reels that are still perfect. TDK cassettes from the early 80s that I have a lot of, have been perfect (AD, AD-X, SA, SA-X). Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Seals" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape degradation > you know back in it 80's TDK was top of the line as > far as tapes went, now I find they are just not up to > what the old SAX and metal were now they have welded > cases and don't sound as good as maxell which I have > tried and like. (maxell-II) but I think you are right > we need stock up on what ever you can find that you > like. > --- Bill Wheatley wrote: > >> I will definitely be reading the info on Richard >> Hess' site, and although >> I'm no expert on this I can offer some info based on >> my own experience. >> You're most probably just dealing with accumulated >> dirt, etc. and it's amazing >> how often tape heads and paths, capstans, etc. need >> to be cleaned with >> moderate to heavy use of a deck. >> If you were dealing with a serious tape >> degradation issue, i.e. the oxide >> coming loose from the tape, you would notice it >> right away on playback of the >> tape. The sound quality would drop dramatically >> upon playing the tape for >> just a few minutes, and it would really gunk up the >> works on your cassette >> deck, so that any other tapes you played would sound >> lousy too until you >> cleaned the deck. >> I had this happen on a bad batch of TDK normal >> bias tape that was >> manufactured way back in the early 1970s, and TDK >> admitted at the time that >> they had a problem with whatever they had used to >> bind the oxide to the tape. >> Even then it wasn't apparent on every tape, but on >> the bad ones it became >> apparent immediately upon playback after a >> relatively short time after the >> tape had been recorded. >> I've been involved for a few years in a project >> of digitizing and also >> recording onto new cassettes some 2,600 lecture >> tapes that were originally >> recorded on both 7 1/2" reel tapes and then cassette >> tapes once the cassette >> technology really took hold in the late 60s. >> I have to say that I am amazed at how both reel >> tape and cassette tapes >> hold up over the years. Some of the reels go back >> to 1955, and all of the >> cassette masters are pre-1975 and Type I normal bias >> tape. >> With the exception of that bad batch of TDK tape, >> the reel and cassette >> masters are still amazingly clear and apparently >> very stabile in regard to >> oxide loss. Fortunately almost all the 7 1/2" reel >> tape was mylar or plastic >> based and not acetate, which can really have some >> problems. Most, and >> especially the reels, have been stored in ordinary >> 'house hold' conditions, >> with the usual seasonal fluctuations of temperature >> and humidity. Some of the >> later cassettes were stored in a temperature and >> humidity controlled room. >> In my own personal tape collection I have tapes >> recorded on your average >> old Type I normal biased tape that go back to 1985 >> and have been stored just >> in ordinary household conditions. They still play >> just fine and I don't >> notice any appreciable oxide loss when I play them >> back. >> >> As far as stocking up on tape goes, I'd >> recommend it. I'd be wary of >> 'used' tape, but I think new tape will stay stabile >> for quite a long time if >> it's kept in reasonable conditions. I'm able to get >> cassettes through a >> wholesaler in N.J. due to the large project I'm >> doing for this particular >> organization, and every time I order a new batch of >> tapes the selection seems >> to be getting more and more limited, especially for >> certain tape lengths. >> Four years ago I was able to get Maxell XLIIS and >> TDK SA-X in both 90 and 100 >> minute lengths. About a year ago I had to downgrade >> to Maxell XLII and TDK >> SA, and just about a month ago I had to go to Maxell >> XLII 110 minute tapes for >> the longer length, because the 100 minute tapes are >> just not being >> manufactured anymore and the shelf stocks are >> disappearing. >> I don't know how it is for the Metal tape, but I >> think the 90 minute Type >> II cassettes will still be manufactured and >> available, because there is enough >> of a demand for them. But the really high end Type >> II tapes are getting rarer >> and rarer as time goes on. >> I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the >> quality control and >> production standards for cassette tape is still what >> it was a few years ago, >> now that tape in general is no longer the top media >> for recording and >> preservation. >> >> Ben Torre wrote: >> >> > At 11:05 AM 11/1/06, you wrote: >> > >Having just cleaned the capstans on the ZX-9 with >> IPA and q-tips, >> > >loads of dirt was visible on the q-tip. Or was >> this small particles >> > >of tape that have flaked off? Now with the >> MA-R's and MA-XG's I'm >> > >using becoming older, how much mileage could I >> expect to get out of >> > >them? Should I stock up on tapes now as they are >> getting scarce or >> > >will they degrade through age? Anyone know how >> to test a tape to >> > >see if it has any mileage left in it? Or how >> well used a second >> > >hand tape may be? A bit off the nak subject but >> important nevertheless. >> > >> > Richard Hess has a whole section in his website >> devoted to tape >> > degradation issues... >> > >> > http://www.richardhess.com/ >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates > (http://voice.yahoo.com) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 1/11/2006 > > From btorre at ix.netcom.com Thu Nov 2 04:35:06 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:35:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape degradation In-Reply-To: <454909DD.8444168B@warwick.net> References: <8C8CBE6B44D49EB-5DC-2617@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061101115758.036ffb60@ix.netcom.com> <454909DD.8444168B@warwick.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061101220425.039cdeb0@ix.netcom.com> At 03:55 PM 11/1/06, you wrote: > If you were dealing with a serious tape degradation issue, i.e. > the oxide coming loose from the tape, you would notice it right > away on playback of the tape. The sound quality would drop > dramatically upon playing the tape for just a few minutes, and it > would really gunk up the works on your cassette deck, so that any > other tapes you played would sound lousy too until you cleaned the deck. > I had this happen on a bad batch of TDK normal bias tape that > was manufactured way back in the early 1970s, and TDK admitted at > the time that they had a problem with whatever they had used to > bind the oxide to the tape. I have run into binder failure in varying degrees in many different cassette tapes. First was Maxell LN of the early 1970s. Heavy oxide shed leaving powdered residue all over the heads and guides. Next was Memorex normal bias MRX2 of the mid-70s. Oxide came off in chips. Scotch Metafine and TDK MA/MA-R of the early 1980s. Heavy oxide shed akin to Maxell LN. After a few dozen passes, dropouts are so severe that the tape is unusable. Early TDK D was far from perfect. The C-180 had a 1 in 3 failure rate, mainly because of housing jams, according to the TDK rep I knew. Maxell C-120s were among the few that actually worked. Never had a problem with TDK SA or SA-X. SA was my standard. TDK HX was very good stuff. Maxell UD-XL 1 & 2 were pretty good too. Scotch Classic tape (FeCr) was good, but the housings were lousy. Scotch Master III was better in this regard. TDK-D series was ok for spoken-word applications. Agfa made some really nice tape (PEM 468 comes to mind) but you had to get it in pancakes and find a duplicator to load it into shells for you. There was always DuPont Crolyn and the variants, but the CrO2 oxides always ate heads alive. I never had a real CrO2 tape binder fail. Old memories.... > I've been involved for a few years in a project of digitizing > and also recording onto new cassettes some 2,600 lecture tapes that > were originally recorded on both 7 1/2" reel tapes and then > cassette tapes once the cassette technology really took hold in the late 60s. I'd love to hear about this, even if it is off-list! > I have to say that I am amazed at how both reel tape and > cassette tapes hold up over the years. Some of the reels go back > to 1955, and all of the cassette masters are pre-1975 and Type I > normal bias tape. The oldest open reel tapes I have are Scotch 111 of the early 1950s. Those tapes play and sound every bit as good as the day my father made them. I know people who have pre-Scotch 111 tapes that are paper-base that still plays fine. That would be from around 1948. From bernardsda at hotmail.com Thu Nov 2 07:16:07 2006 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:16:07 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizer / defluxer In-Reply-To: <66D261A1-BBB8-4B39-B5C1-8BFEBFE15C03@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Nov 2 07:41:01 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:41:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizer / defluxer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26474378-CB62-4B8B-8B6A-2401F6DD75B7@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bernard, On Nov 2, 2006, at 12:16 AM, Bernard White wrote: > Kermit, I have what I guess is a DM10 clone. As I bring the thing > close to the heads, etc, it vibrates noticeably. SOMETHING'S > happening - I presumed it was doing what it's supposed to. What do > you think is not happening as well as it should? This is normal -- and a sign it's working. My Han-D-Mag does vibrate quite severely too -- all degaussers will vibrate next to the heads if they're working properly. You're fine. I've been told off-list by several individuals who I respect that my DM10 must be defective -- it is reported to be as good as a Teac E-3. I do not know about the DM10 clone. I've also been told the Ferrograph degausser is quite good and its 5-minute duty cycle is not an indication of any ineffectiveness, it's an overheating and safety issue. Live and learn. Thanks to all those who emailed me off-list! > Bernard > > > Read the latest Hollywood gossip at XtraMSN Entertainment > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Nov 2 08:35:29 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:35:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizer / defluxer Message-ID: Hi Bernard, Read here http://www.soundfirst.com/cleandemag.html Do as write & all will be good again! Good Luck, ALEX! From: bernardsda at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Demagnetizer / defluxerDate: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:16:07 +1300 Kermit, I have what I guess is a DM10 clone. As I bring the thing close to the heads, etc, it vibrates noticeably. SOMETHING'S happening - I presumed it was doing what it's supposed to. What do you think is not happening as well as it should? Bernard Read the latest Hollywood gossip at XtraMSN Entertainment _________________________________________________________________ Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE http://get.live.com/messenger/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 2 09:33:25 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:33:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape degradation In-Reply-To: <200611012101.kA1Kx05H028899@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20061102083325.69669.qmail@web27407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Bill Wheatley wrote: [it's amazing how often tape heads and paths, capstans, etc. need to be cleaned with moderate to heavy use of a deck] I've found that's true, and I also share Bill's (pleasant) surprise at how well some tapes have held up. When I first started making digital copies of tape recordings about 8 or 9 years ago I was given a cassette that my father had copied from a tape made on an old Revox B77 in about 1971 - the cassette itself was already 15 or more years old but it sounded very good. Just before I bought my first Nak, I thought the REC/PB head on my old Aiwa was badly worn or badly aligned. When I bought some S-721H from American Recorders to pamper the Nak, I tried some on the Aiwa... just to see. What a transformation! I won't say it sounded like a new deck (because I can't remember what that sounded like) but it was an illustration of how dirt builds up even if you think you're fastidious about keeping a deck clean. So, unless you've heard dropouts on your tapes it looks like they could serve you for a while yet. I agree with Bill that buying used cassettes carries a risk but the ones I bought on eBay were dirt cheap and I've not had a problem so far, with TDK D's at least. Chris From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Nov 2 10:12:14 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:12:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape degradation Message-ID: Dear Chris, If you do what since more of 4 decades I do...never...but...never you will have any "Dirt" problem! It's very simple...after 10 two sides cassette clean all the tape path extremely well...& NO problem at all!!! My one cent tip! ALEX! > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:33:25 +0000> From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape degradation> > Bill Wheatley wrote: [it's amazing how often tape> heads and paths, capstans, etc. need to be cleaned> with> moderate to heavy use of a deck]> > I've found that's true, and I also share Bill's> (pleasant) surprise at how well some tapes have held> up. When I first started making digital copies of tape> recordings about 8 or 9 years ago I was given a> cassette that my father had copied from a tape made on> an old Revox B77 in about 1971 - the cassette itself> was already 15 or more years old but it sounded very> good.> > Just before I bought my first Nak, I thought the> REC/PB head on my old Aiwa was badly worn or badly> aligned. When I bought some S-721H from American> Recorders to pamper the Nak, I tried some on the> Aiwa... just to see. What a transformation! I won't> say it sounded like a new deck (because I can't> remember what that sounded like) but it was an> illustration of how dirt builds up even if you think> you're fastidious about keeping a deck clean.> > So, unless you've heard dropouts on your tapes it> looks like they could serve you for a while yet. I> agree with Bill that buying used cassettes carries a> risk but the ones I bought on eBay were dirt cheap and> I've not had a problem so far, with TDK D's at least.> > Chris> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE http://get.live.com/messenger/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ALEX! --------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:33:25 +0000 > From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape degradation > > Bill Wheatley wrote: [it's amazing how often tape > heads and paths, capstans, etc. need to be cleaned > with > moderate to heavy use of a deck] > > I've found that's true, and I also share Bill's > (pleasant) surprise at how well some tapes have held > up. When I first started making digital copies of tape > recordings about 8 or 9 years ago I was given a > cassette that my father had copied from a tape made on > an old Revox B77 in about 1971 - the cassette itself > was already 15 or more years old but it sounded very > good. > > Just before I bought my first Nak, I thought the > REC/PB head on my old Aiwa was badly worn or badly > aligned. When I bought some S-721H from American > Recorders to pamper the Nak, I tried some on the > Aiwa... just to see. What a transformation! I won't > say it sounded like a new deck (because I can't > remember what that sounded like) but it was an > illustration of how dirt builds up even if you think > you're fastidious about keeping a deck clean. > > So, unless you've heard dropouts on your tapes it > looks like they could serve you for a while yet. I > agree with Bill that buying used cassettes carries a > risk but the ones I bought on eBay were dirt cheap and > I've not had a problem so far, with TDK D's at least. > > Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE Connect now!========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bruce4inkman at yahoo.com Thu Nov 2 23:29:40 2006 From: bruce4inkman at yahoo.com (bruce inkman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:29:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR3A belt changing details needed In-Reply-To: <45494907.70606@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20061102222941.45542.qmail@web57712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ron - I got the belt swapped out successfully. Unfortunately, the tape will play for a couple of minutes and then stop. Always a little bit of tape hanging out of the shell. When it's playing it sounds great. I need to get it going. Any suggestions? Bruce Ron wrote: Bruce, Sorry, I do not have a CR-3 available, nor the service manual for it, so all I can rely on is memory. As far as I recall, there are just two screws that hold the motor plate in place. Remove one and loosen the other enough to tilt the plate. That should give you a gap to slip the old belt out and the new one in. Stretch the new belt over the motor pulley and flywheel AFTER reassembly. I thought you said you had the service manual. If in doubt, look up the mechanical expanded view. Good luck, -- Ron bruce inkman wrote: > Ron - Thanks for your comments. I'm trying to replace the belt whenever > I have time. I've reread your comments and Kannan's and would like to > avoid removing the transport if possible. (With help, I got it part way > out but did not disconnect wiring and was therefore unable to make > significant headway so I put it back.) > > When I look at the back plate, I see the obvious 2 screws but can't tell > if there is another behind the motor. > Can you advise me about: > a. number of screws > b. how the plate comes off (i.e. completely or just far enough to slip > the new belt in)? > c, how and what to use to lube the capstan bearings > > Thanks for the tips about handling the belt and cleaning the flywheels! > I appreciate any help whenever you have time. Didn't think I would be > willing to try this but you and Kannan provided needed encouragement. > > Bruce > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Some comments on Kannan's excellent instruction. First, > you can get away without taking the transport out. Access > to the screws holding the transport back plate in place > is far more difficult, but still doable. Second, try to > avoid touching the new belt (I put on vinyl gloves) while > installing it. Third, while the old belt is out and before > installing the new one, it's a good idea to thoroughly > clean the flywheel surfaces. Fourth, This is an > opportunity to lubricate the capstan bearings (then clean > the capstans). > > -- Ron > > > > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > You can remove the back plate over the two capstan flywheels to > remove > > the belt ( without cutting) and placing the new belt in place. > You have > > remove the complete transport from the cabinet by removing two > screw at > > the bottom and one one top. _ ofcourse you have to remove the > front face > > Cover to access all these screws. try to get a service manual and > you > > can see the way to do these. > > kannan > > > > */bruce inkman /* wrote: > > > > I have a CR3a, the service manual, a new belt but very limited tech > > experience. Have removed top and bottom covers, looseened transport > > mechanism screws, per manual, to free the transport, but don't see > > how to slip the old belt off and new one on. Service manual doesn't > > offer any hints about needing to take more of the transport apart. > > Could someone offer specifics? > > Thanks ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the new Yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Nov 2 23:53:16 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:53:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 verus MR-2 Message-ID: Hello all, Out of curiosity, does the MR-2 have balanced +4 dB inputs or does it have only unbalanced -10 dB inputs on both RCA and 1/4-inch phone jacks? Thanks! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Nov 2 23:54:06 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:54:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape degradation In-Reply-To: <20061102163331.7362.qmail@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061102163331.7362.qmail@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2661F913-58F9-4988-9480-C898345FDA2A@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bob, I'm not Chris, but DEFINITELY -- I always clean a deck before recording. On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Mine get cleaned B4 any recording. How was Las Vegas Chris? > Bob N > > Alex Cozac wrote: > Dear Chris, > > If you do what since more of 4 decades I do...never...but...never > you will have any "Dirt" problem! > > It's very simple...after 10 two sides cassette clean all the tape > path extremely well...& NO problem at all!!! > > My one cent tip! > > > ALEX! > > > > > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:33:25 +0000 > > From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape degradation > > > > Bill Wheatley wrote: [it's amazing how often tape > > heads and paths, capstans, etc. need to be cleaned > > with > > moderate to heavy use of a deck] > > > > I've found that's true, and I also share Bill's > > (pleasant) surprise at how well some tapes have held > > up. When I first started making digital copies of tape > > recordings about 8 or 9 years ago I was given a > > cassette that my father had copied from a tape made on > > an old Revox B77 in about 1971 - the cassette itself > > was already 15 or more years old but it sounded very > > good. > > > > Just before I bought my first Nak, I thought the > > REC/PB head on my old Aiwa was badly worn or badly > > aligned. When I bought some S-721H from American > > Recorders to pamper the Nak, I tried some on the > > Aiwa... just to see. What a transformation! I won't > > say it sounded like a new deck (because I can't > > remember what that sounded like) but it was an > > illustration of how dirt builds up even if you think > > you're fastidious about keeping a deck clean. > > > > So, unless you've heard dropouts on your tapes it > > looks like they could serve you for a while yet. I > > agree with Bill that buying used cassettes carries a > > risk but the ones I bought on eBay were dirt cheap and > > I've not had a problem so far, with TDK D's at least. > > > > Chris > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE Connect now! > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 3 00:06:49 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:06:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape degradation In-Reply-To: <2661F913-58F9-4988-9480-C898345FDA2A@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20061102230649.88659.qmail@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The original msg was Chris. Scroll down. Yea, it's not worth it if you do a recording and towards the end the head gets dirty because you didn't take 2 minutes to clean! Bob Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Bob, I'm not Chris, but DEFINITELY -- I always clean a deck before recording. On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: Mine get cleaned B4 any recording. How was Las Vegas Chris? Bob N Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Chris, If you do what since more of 4 decades I do...never...but...never you will have any "Dirt" problem! It's very simple...after 10 two sides cassette clean all the tape path extremely well...& NO problem at all!!! My one cent tip! ALEX! --------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:33:25 +0000 > From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape degradation > > Bill Wheatley wrote: [it's amazing how often tape > heads and paths, capstans, etc. need to be cleaned > with > moderate to heavy use of a deck] > > I've found that's true, and I also share Bill's > (pleasant) surprise at how well some tapes have held > up. When I first started making digital copies of tape > recordings about 8 or 9 years ago I was given a > cassette that my father had copied from a tape made on > an old Revox B77 in about 1971 - the cassette itself > was already 15 or more years old but it sounded very > good. > > Just before I bought my first Nak, I thought the > REC/PB head on my old Aiwa was badly worn or badly > aligned. When I bought some S-721H from American > Recorders to pamper the Nak, I tried some on the > Aiwa... just to see. What a transformation! I won't > say it sounded like a new deck (because I can't > remember what that sounded like) but it was an > illustration of how dirt builds up even if you think > you're fastidious about keeping a deck clean. > > So, unless you've heard dropouts on your tapes it > looks like they could serve you for a while yet. I > agree with Bill that buying used cassettes carries a > risk but the ones I bought on eBay were dirt cheap and > I've not had a problem so far, with TDK D's at least. > > Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE Connect now!========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 3 00:07:34 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:07:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR3A belt changing details needed In-Reply-To: <20061102222941.45542.qmail@web57712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20061102222941.45542.qmail@web57712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <454A7A36.2070705@rcn.com> Sounds like a take up problem. Clean the idler tire well. If this solves the problem, replace it. -- Ron bruce inkman wrote: > Ron - I got the belt swapped out successfully. Unfortunately, the tape > will play for a couple of minutes and then stop. Always a little bit of > tape hanging out of the shell. When it's playing it sounds great. I > need to get it going. Any suggestions? > > Bruce > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Bruce, > > Sorry, I do not have a CR-3 available, nor the service > manual for it, so all I can rely on is memory. As far > as I recall, there are just two screws that hold the > motor plate in place. Remove one and loosen the other > enough to tilt the plate. That should give you a gap to > slip the old belt out and the new one in. Stretch the > new belt over the motor pulley and flywheel AFTER > reassembly. > > I thought you said you had the service manual. If in > doubt, look up the mechanical expanded view. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > bruce inkman wrote: > > Ron - Thanks for your comments. I'm trying to replace the belt > whenever > > I have time. I've reread your comments and Kannan's and would > like to > > avoid removing the transport if possible. (With help, I got it > part way > > out but did not disconnect wiring and was therefore unable to make > > significant headway so I put it back.) > > > > When I look at the back plate, I see the obvious 2 screws but > can't tell > > if there is another behind the motor. > > Can you advise me about: > > a. number of screws > > b. how the plate comes off (i.e. completely or just far enough to > slip > > the new belt in)? > > c, how and what to use to lube the capstan bearings > > > > Thanks for the tips about handling the belt and cleaning the > flywheels! > > I appreciate any help whenever you have time. Didn't think I > would be > > willing to try this but you and Kannan provided needed encouragement. > > > > Bruce > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > > > Some comments on Kannan's excellent instruction. First, > > you can get away without taking the transport out. Access > > to the screws holding the transport back plate in place > > is far more difficult, but still doable. Second, try to > > avoid touching the new belt (I put on vinyl gloves) while > > installing it. Third, while the old belt is out and before > > installing the new one, it's a good idea to thoroughly > > clean the flywheel surfaces. Fourth, This is an > > opportunity to lubricate the capstan bearings (then clean > > the capstans). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > You can remove the back plate over the two capstan flywheels to > > remove > > > the belt ( without cutting) and placing the new belt in place. > > You have > > > remove the complete transport from the cabinet by removing two > > screw at > > > the bottom and one one top. _ ofcourse you have to remove the > > front face > > > Cover to access all these screws. try to get a service manual and > > you > > > can see the way to do these. > > > kannan > > > > > > */bruce inkman /* wrote: > > > > > > I have a CR3a, the service manual, a new belt but very limited tech > > > experience. Have removed top and bottom covers, looseened transport > > > mechanism screws, per manual, to free the transport, but don't see > > > how to slip the old belt off and new one on. Service manual doesn't > > > offer any hints about needing to take more of the transport apart. > > > Could someone offer specifics? > > > Thanks From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 3 00:12:50 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:12:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 verus MR-2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454A7B72.5070904@rcn.com> From the schematic it looks like it only has unbalanced I/O, from either the RCA phono or 1/4" jacks. -- Ron Kermit Gray wrote: > Hello all, > > Out of curiosity, does the MR-2 have balanced +4 dB inputs or does it > have only unbalanced -10 dB inputs on both RCA and 1/4-inch phone jacks? > Thanks! > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 3 00:13:53 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:13:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 verus MR-2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061102171353.00838a90@earthlink.net> Kermit, The 1/4 " signal is normalled thru to the rcas, so it is -10dB on both, but the rcas are dead when the 1/4" is used. tom brucker At 04:53 PM 11/2/06 -0600, Kermit Gray wrote: >Hello all, > >Out of curiosity, does the MR-2 have balanced +4 dB inputs or does it >have only unbalanced -10 dB inputs on both RCA and 1/4-inch phone >jacks? Thanks! > >Kermit Gray >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to make your music better! > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Fri Nov 3 03:55:53 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:55:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 verus MR-2 References: Message-ID: <0f5801c6fef3$93fd5900$9e274446@a72400shuttle> > Hello all, > > Out of curiosity, does the MR-2 have balanced +4 dB inputs or does it > have only unbalanced -10 dB inputs on both RCA and 1/4-inch phone > jacks? Thanks! > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! My MR-2 manual says -10 dB for both From lucanica at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 07:04:56 2006 From: lucanica at gmail.com (Horacio Groppa) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 01:04:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 - Reels, gears and pulleys Message-ID: Hello, My CR7 shows truble to FF cassettes as well as to propperly take-up the tape during PB. Besides, it is not able at all to rewind tapes. However, with NO tape loaded, the take-up side spins as expected in both FF and PB (the same is true for the supply side while in RWD). The torque just seems to be very weak in all three cases. - I'm aware of the "gear vs. pulley" issue, but since this is a late unit (3Q-1988) It was my understanding that the modification was already performed at the factory by then. Can anyone confirm this? - I have rearly used this unit in about two years. May this have caused the problem? Would it help to place it in FF for an extended period or something like that? - How is the "clutch" effect provided? Is there a way to adjust it in order to increase the effective torque? - The only related adjustment I've found in the service manual is electrical (take-up motor's torque during PB), but this problem seems to be mechanical. Am I wrong? Many thanks for your help Horacio From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Nov 3 08:27:04 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 12:57:04 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 - Reels, gears and pulleys Message-ID: Hi Well it sounds like an idler tyre issue ... and going by the rare usage that you mentioned it could also mean the tyre is not seated properly. What you can do is : 1) Take out the cassette cover 2) On the face plate inside the well, you will notice 2 screws on the top .... take them out. 3) Remove the face plate carefully 4) You should see the reel motor with either a) Brass Hub b) Gear if it has a brass hub then check to see if the pulley with the idler tyre is mounted properly if not then take it out, rub some talcum powder to it and put it back in taking care not to stretch it Check the torque ... if still not sufficient then change the idler tyre ... check http://www.eslabs.com or http://www.nakamichi.us or ebay for idler tyres and method to change them .... which is covered here tho already :) Put back the face plate ... taking care to insert the bottom edge first and screw it back in Best Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Check out some new online services at Windows Live Ideas—so new they haven’t even been officially released yet. http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Nov 3 19:44:59 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:44:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape degradation Message-ID: <211723BF-BB12-4B69-BA85-8965F352B0D9@alumni.caltech.edu> I can't say that I've had a major issue with oxide shed although there's some that's noticable on cleaning. It's more of an issue with R2R tapes for me because of (1) reverse-playing the tape to keep the pack good on the reel and (2) the higher tape speeds. Still, I can't recall any tapes other than some acetate ones back when I was a kid (1960s technology). Hey, I even used to dissolve up some old acetate tape in acetone to make some fake "duco" cement back then (that's really a different compound, but vaguely related). I've had problems from operator/power failure/transport error that mangles something than audibly noticeable oxide shed issues. Still, seeing the particles on the cleaning swabs is always disconcerting.-kby From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Fri Nov 3 20:58:28 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:58:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizer / defluxer References: <001101c6fdcd$05b97100$b207010a@hurtignok> <66D261A1-BBB8-4B39-B5C1-8BFEBFE15C03@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000e01c6ff82$7454e570$b207010a@hurtignok> Kermit, thanks a lot for your reply. I have asked US Recording if there is an European / 220-240VAC version of the degausser and what their s/h to Denmark will amount to. If it is reasonable I think I will order one for Xmas ;-) Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Demagnetizer / defluxer > Hi Per, > > Actually, I'd recommend the Annis Han D Mag, the only degausser I > use. The Ferrograph should be OK, but not as effective as the Annis. > The Ferro's 5-minutes-only duty cycle bothers me -- it seems a bit > underengineered. I'm not impressed with the DM-10 or its clone. I > have a Nak DM-10 (haven't used it in 25 years!) and it is marginal > overall, even when compared to the Teac E-3. > > BEWARE degaussers on eBay -- most sold today are junk, in my experience. > > On Nov 1, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Per wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am looking around for a good quality demagnetizer / defluxer. >> Should I go for a second hand Nakamichi DM-10, a S&R Audio DM-10. >> Or a new Ferrograph D3 that I can buy in DK at only $31 >> http://www.meistrup.com/images_tilbud/ferrograph_defluxer.jpg >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Per >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Fri Nov 3 21:15:03 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 21:15:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? References: Message-ID: <003301c6ff84$c272fec0$b207010a@hurtignok> Thanks a lot, Alex, for your kind advice. You are right about starting at the simplest level... Today I found an old can of Philips Contact Cleaner that I will use at some of my more inexpensive stuff first to see how if works. It has been VERY interesting and exciting to read the list members different approaches and experiences with cleaning and lubricating naks and electronic gear. I am sure I will eventually find use for all your hints and tips to get the best results. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? Dear Per! Kontakt 60 it's OK also the UK made Servisol...the Deoxid also is good...but first instead to "Open" Dismantle" any cover top or bottom ones...move forward & back at least 20 times...is cheaper, don't needed to dismantle or remove form where the deck stands...& for a while will work! Peace, ALEX! > From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:26:41 +0200 > Subject: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? > > Hi, > > I would like to know what you'll suggest for cleaning > potentiometers, sliders and contacts in my naks (and > other electronic equipment for that matter) Some sources > on the internet suggest a contact cleaner like DeOxit or > Kontakt 60 (Europe) - others states that IPA applied with > for instance a syringe is just as good - or better. I have a > bottle of 99 percent isopropyl alcohol that I bought to > clean tapeheads, rollers, etc. in my tapedecks. Some > also suggest a lubricant to protect the potentiometers > and contacts after you have cleaned them. > > Best Regards, > > Per Borgen > Denmark > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE Connect now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lucanica at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 00:14:44 2006 From: lucanica at gmail.com (Horacio Groppa) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 18:14:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: CR7 - Reels, gears and pulleys Message-ID: Hello Suomi, Thank you for your suggestions. I'll try that this weekend and let you know. Best regards Horacio From rossnkiely at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 22:22:06 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:22:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizer / defluxer In-Reply-To: <000e01c6ff82$7454e570$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <001101c6fdcd$05b97100$b207010a@hurtignok> <66D261A1-BBB8-4B39-B5C1-8BFEBFE15C03@woods-and-waters.com> <000e01c6ff82$7454e570$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <6e1618b40611031322w136f647vece22ba020a5b32d@mail.gmail.com> I too Highly reccomend the Annis Han D Mag. I have owned one for Over 20 yrs. & use it in my recording studio !! It does do the job. Ross. On 11/3/06, Per wrote: > > Kermit, thanks a lot for your reply. I have asked US Recording > if there is an European / 220-240VAC version of the degausser > and what their s/h to Denmark will amount to. If it is reasonable > I think I will order one for Xmas ;-) Best Regards, Per > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kermit Gray" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Demagnetizer / defluxer > > > > Hi Per, > > > > Actually, I'd recommend the Annis Han D Mag, the only degausser I > > use. The Ferrograph should be OK, but not as effective as the Annis. > > The Ferro's 5-minutes-only duty cycle bothers me -- it seems a bit > > underengineered. I'm not impressed with the DM-10 or its clone. I > > have a Nak DM-10 (haven't used it in 25 years!) and it is marginal > > overall, even when compared to the Teac E-3. > > > > BEWARE degaussers on eBay -- most sold today are junk, in my experience. > > > > On Nov 1, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Per wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am looking around for a good quality demagnetizer / defluxer. > >> Should I go for a second hand Nakamichi DM-10, a S&R Audio DM-10. > >> Or a new Ferrograph D3 that I can buy in DK at only $31 > >> http://www.meistrup.com/images_tilbud/ferrograph_defluxer.jpg > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> > >> Per > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > >> naktalk > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > > > > Kermit Gray > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bruce4inkman at yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 23:19:12 2006 From: bruce4inkman at yahoo.com (bruce inkman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 14:19:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR3A, no idler tire, sadly In-Reply-To: <454A7A36.2070705@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20061103221912.35776.qmail@web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ron, unfortunately, this one doesn't have an idler tire. I took the cover off and saw just plastic gears. I had read previously that the CR3A didn't have the idler, but I hadn't actually confirmed it. Was really hoping it did have the idler but no luck. Is there anything else I can try? Thanks Ron wrote: Sounds like a take up problem. Clean the idler tire well. If this solves the problem, replace it. -- Ron bruce inkman wrote: > Ron - I got the belt swapped out successfully. Unfortunately, the tape > will play for a couple of minutes and then stop. Always a little bit of > tape hanging out of the shell. When it's playing it sounds great. I > need to get it going. Any suggestions? > > Bruce > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Bruce, > > Sorry, I do not have a CR-3 available, nor the service > manual for it, so all I can rely on is memory. As far > as I recall, there are just two screws that hold the > motor plate in place. Remove one and loosen the other > enough to tilt the plate. That should give you a gap to > slip the old belt out and the new one in. Stretch the > new belt over the motor pulley and flywheel AFTER > reassembly. > > I thought you said you had the service manual. If in > doubt, look up the mechanical expanded view. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > bruce inkman wrote: > > Ron - Thanks for your comments. I'm trying to replace the belt > whenever > > I have time. I've reread your comments and Kannan's and would > like to > > avoid removing the transport if possible. (With help, I got it > part way > > out but did not disconnect wiring and was therefore unable to make > > significant headway so I put it back.) > > > > When I look at the back plate, I see the obvious 2 screws but > can't tell > > if there is another behind the motor. > > Can you advise me about: > > a. number of screws > > b. how the plate comes off (i.e. completely or just far enough to > slip > > the new belt in)? > > c, how and what to use to lube the capstan bearings > > > > Thanks for the tips about handling the belt and cleaning the > flywheels! > > I appreciate any help whenever you have time. Didn't think I > would be > > willing to try this but you and Kannan provided needed encouragement. > > > > Bruce > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > > > Some comments on Kannan's excellent instruction. First, > > you can get away without taking the transport out. Access > > to the screws holding the transport back plate in place > > is far more difficult, but still doable. Second, try to > > avoid touching the new belt (I put on vinyl gloves) while > > installing it. Third, while the old belt is out and before > > installing the new one, it's a good idea to thoroughly > > clean the flywheel surfaces. Fourth, This is an > > opportunity to lubricate the capstan bearings (then clean > > the capstans). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > You can remove the back plate over the two capstan flywheels to > > remove > > > the belt ( without cutting) and placing the new belt in place. > > You have > > > remove the complete transport from the cabinet by removing two > > screw at > > > the bottom and one one top. _ ofcourse you have to remove the > > front face > > > Cover to access all these screws. try to get a service manual and > > you > > > can see the way to do these. > > > kannan > > > > > > */bruce inkman /* wrote: > > > > > > I have a CR3a, the service manual, a new belt but very limited tech > > > experience. Have removed top and bottom covers, looseened transport > > > mechanism screws, per manual, to free the transport, but don't see > > > how to slip the old belt off and new one on. Service manual doesn't > > > offer any hints about needing to take more of the transport apart. > > > Could someone offer specifics? > > > Thanks ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bruce4inkman at yahoo.com Sat Nov 4 01:15:11 2006 From: bruce4inkman at yahoo.com (bruce inkman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:15:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR3A tape stop problem - help still needed Message-ID: <20061104001511.17561.qmail@web57707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The tape stops after just a couple of seconds. I've replaced a very loose capstan belt, which let the tape play for a few minutes but it is now )1 hour later) up to the same maddening symptom of stopping after a short time. I've checked for an idler tire but this has gears. I'm not much of a tech but would like this machine to work. Any repair suggestions that I can try, short of taking it in. Probably not going to do that because of cost. Thanks in advance and also thanks to Kannan and Rom for assistance so far. --------------------------------- We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 4 15:40:39 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 09:40:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR3A, no idler tire, sadly In-Reply-To: <20061103221912.35776.qmail@web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20061103221912.35776.qmail@web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <454CA667.9040101@rcn.com> Oooops... I think You're right. I, too, vaguely remember all CR-3s have the gear idler... Nonetheless, what you describe is a typical takeup problem. To verify, after starting PLAY I use a toothpick to gently help the takeup hub along (after removing the door cover, of course). If the tape doesn't stop when I do that (but does stop when I stop), it definitely *is* a takeup problem. Meaning, the takeup hub does not move and the tape sensor stops the deck, as it should. If that's the case, first make sure that there is no mechanical hindrance to takeup hub rotation. Clean and lubricate as necessary. Once mechanically OK, check the takeup hub torque in play. The correct figure is stated in the service manual, under 'Reel motor speed adjustment'. It's about 45 gr-cm and is adjustable. If you do not have a torque meter, try to increase it *slightly* from it's current value and see if that solves the problem. Good luck, -- Ron bruce inkman wrote: > Ron, unfortunately, this one doesn't have an idler tire. I took the > cover off and saw just plastic gears. I had read previously that the > CR3A didn't have the idler, but I hadn't actually confirmed it. Was > really hoping it did have the idler but no luck. Is there anything else > I can try? > Thanks > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Sounds like a take up problem. Clean the idler tire well. > If this solves the problem, replace it. > > -- Ron > > > > bruce inkman wrote: > > Ron - I got the belt swapped out successfully. Unfortunately, the > tape > > will play for a couple of minutes and then stop. Always a little > bit of > > tape hanging out of the shell. When it's playing it sounds great. I > > need to get it going. Any suggestions? > > > > Bruce > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > > > Bruce, > > > > Sorry, I do not have a CR-3 available, nor the service > > manual for it, so all I can rely on is memory. As far > > as I recall, there are just two screws that hold the > > motor plate in place. Remove one and loosen the other > > enough to tilt the plate. That should give you a gap to > > slip the old belt out and the new one in. Stretch the > > new belt over the motor pulley and flywheel AFTER > > reassembly. > > > > I thought you said you had the service manual. If in > > doubt, look up the mechanical expanded view. > > > > Good luck, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > bruce inkman wrote: > > > Ron - Thanks for your comments. I'm trying to replace the belt > > whenever > > > I have time. I've reread your comments and Kannan's and would > > like to > > > avoid removing the transport if possible. (With help, I got it > > part way > > > out but did not disconnect wiring and was therefore unable to make > > > significant headway so I put it back.) > > > > > > When I look at the back plate, I see the obvious 2 screws but > > can't tell > > > if there is another behind the motor. > > > Can you advise me about: > > > a. number of screws > > > b. how the plate comes off (i.e. completely or just far enough to > > slip > > > the new belt in)? > > > c, how and what to use to lube the capstan bearings > > > > > > Thanks for the tips about handling the belt and cleaning the > > flywheels! > > > I appreciate any help whenever you have time. Didn't think I > > would be > > > willing to try this but you and Kannan provided needed > encouragement. > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > > > > > > Some comments on Kannan's excellent instruction. First, > > > you can get away without taking the transport out. Access > > > to the screws holding the transport back plate in place > > > is far more difficult, but still doable. Second, try to > > > avoid touching the new belt (I put on vinyl gloves) while > > > installing it. Third, while the old belt is out and before > > > installing the new one, it's a good idea to thoroughly > > > clean the flywheel surfaces. Fourth, This is an > > > opportunity to lubricate the capstan bearings (then clean > > > the capstans). > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > > > You can remove the back plate over the two capstan flywheels to > > > remove > > > > the belt ( without cutting) and placing the new belt in place. > > > You have > > > > remove the complete transport from the cabinet by removing two > > > screw at > > > > the bottom and one one top. _ ofcourse you have to remove the > > > front face > > > > Cover to access all these screws. try to get a service manual and > > > you > > > > can see the way to do these. > > > > kannan > > > > > > > > */bruce inkman /* wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a CR3a, the service manual, a new belt but very > limited tech > > > > experience. Have removed top and bottom covers, looseened > transport > > > > mechanism screws, per manual, to free the transport, but > don't see > > > > how to slip the old belt off and new one on. Service manual > doesn't > > > > offer any hints about needing to take more of the transport > apart. > > > > Could someone offer specifics? > > > > Thanks > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sun Nov 5 12:41:25 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 21:41:25 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 knob Message-ID: I have had a fruitful day tuning up 4 Naks with Luis's calibration tapes and an audio level meter. I finally found that the problem getting levels on the 581 was due to a worn record head. Fortunately I had spare record and play heads off the 582 and transplanted both. Sounds great again. Does anyone know where I can get a small rectangular knob for the LX-3 MPX filter button? Also possibly a spare door and hinges for an LX-5 control section that I am looking at getting? David From lucanica at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 04:29:42 2006 From: lucanica at gmail.com (Horacio Groppa) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 22:29:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: CR7 - Reels, gears and pulleys Message-ID: Hello Soumi and all, It seems that all the answers to my questions were just "two screws away" (thank you for the instructions). Besides the weak torque, all those small black particles adhered to the back-plate suggest it's time to order a replacement tire. While this tyre makes its 10000 miles (or so) trip, let me share with you two concerns: 1) How should I deal with that small washer on top? Even after reading the instructions at http://www.eslabs.com/parts.htm, I keep wondering about the adequate tool and procedure to remove it. 2) Is the hub sub-assembly properly adjusted in my unit? It looks somehow "loose": The hub shows some degree of freedom in the back-forth direction (i.e., perpendicular to the plate plane), and it also tilts a little with respect to the shaft. Is this nomal? Maybe a new (and thus, wider) tire will provide enough friction with the brass pulley in order to reduce these effects but (to my naked eye) the tire currently in place doesn't look "that" worn-out. With many thanks for your help Horacio Buenos Aires > -----Original Message----- > From: Horacio Groppa [mailto:lucanica at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 01:05 > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: CR7 - Reels, gears and pulleys > > Hello, > > My CR7 shows truble to FF cassettes as well as to propperly > take-up the tape during PB. Besides, it is not able at all to > rewind tapes. However, with NO tape loaded, the take-up side > spins as expected in both FF and PB (the same is true for the > supply side while in RWD). The torque just seems to be very > weak in all three cases. > > - I'm aware of the "gear vs. pulley" issue, but since this is > a late unit (3Q-1988) It was my understanding that the > modification was already performed at the factory by then. > Can anyone confirm this? > - I have rearly used this unit in about two years. May this > have caused the problem? Would it help to place it in FF for > an extended period or something like that? > - How is the "clutch" effect provided? Is there a way to > adjust it in order to increase the effective torque? > - The only related adjustment I've found in the service > manual is electrical (take-up motor's torque during PB), but > this problem seems to be mechanical. Am I wrong? > > Many thanks for your help > > Horacio From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Nov 6 12:04:53 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:04:53 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Deck comparison Message-ID: I would appreciate some comments on the comparison of the 670ZX, 582 and LX-5 decks. I think that is their age order. I know that comparisons float through periodically but it is hard to recall details after the event when I see one of them around. I gather all three have the classic mechanism and 3 heads. I have a 582 and wonder about picking up one of the others when they come up. Thanks David From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 6 13:14:53 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:14:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7E for sale Message-ID: <20061106121453.73481.qmail@web27409.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Guys It's not mine and I won't be bidding but I just wondered if you'd seen this item on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170045719574&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Good luck if anyone goes for it! Chris From andrewspencer at eircom.net Mon Nov 6 13:29:35 2006 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:29:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7E for sale References: <20061106121453.73481.qmail@web27409.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301c7019f$38696e90$0d2aa8c0@Manepa.local> There's a serviced CR7E available for £550.00 if anyone is interested? I have no connection with the seller or this product! http://zerogain.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14139 Regards. Spenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Mann" To: "Nakamichi Owners Club" Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 12:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR7E for sale > Guys > > It's not mine and I won't be bidding but I just > wondered if you'd seen this item on eBay: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170045719574&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > Good luck if anyone goes for it! > > Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 13:59:10 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:29:10 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] RE: CR7 - Reels, gears and pulleys Message-ID: Hi To address your concerns : 1) Make sure you can wedge in a screwdriver to go into the well of the mechanism and under that plastic device which holds the idler wheel. This is to prevent the device from being pushed too far into the well. Personally i use a small pen-knife ... or any other knife edge will do .... to pry open the washer ... make sure you do it really slowly and have youir thumb ready to catch it since the washer can get flicked away onto the floor very easily. 2) Perhaps the brass hub has come out of the shaft a wee bit to enable the device/sub assembly get some vertical play ... im not sure about this but that currently seems to be the only plausible cause ... There is a small screw that makes the brass hub hold on to the motor axle tight ... ensure that the hub is pushed back so that the assembly does not have any more play and tighten the screw. The sub assembly should be loose enuff to change direction as per motor rotation ... that is the way the assembly engages the idler to the correct take up/ supply reel. HTH Best Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Nov 6 19:19:01 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:19:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BASF calibration tapes Message-ID: <008001c701d0$0b2a10c0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, Sorry if I am asking something that has already been clearified in this forum but from a Danish store selling all its studio equipment I have been asked if I want to buy 3 original BASF calibration tapes at around 63 dollars, total. Level controlm, 315Hz IEC/DIN HiFi (Fe) 4.76 120+3180 (no. 831915) IEC/DIN HiFi (Cr) 4.76 70+3180 (no. 831107) Can I make any use any of them checking / calibrating my Naks? And are they worth the prize in your honest opinion? Best Regards, Per From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 19:31:37 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:31:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BASF calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <008001c701d0$0b2a10c0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <008001c701d0$0b2a10c0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <6bddc1110611061031w47bc55e6g8beb21986a80a903@mail.gmail.com> I think it depends on your Nak, these would undoubtedly calibrate to the lesser IEC standard which only apply to some later Naks. It also helps to determine if these tapes contain the tones/levels via which Naks are factory built to be calibrated, such as the playback frequencies (10, 15, and 20 kHz) and the like. If you're already going to spend $63 plus shipping, you'd probably be better off spending a hair more and getting Luis' clones of factory originals. -Tim On 11/6/06, Per < pdb at mit.bolignet.dk> wrote: > > Hi, > > Sorry if I am asking something that has already been clearified in this > forum > but from a Danish store selling all its studio equipment I have been asked > if > I want to buy 3 original BASF calibration tapes at around 63 dollars, > total. > > Level controlm, 315Hz > IEC/DIN HiFi (Fe) 4.76 120+3180 (no. 831915) > IEC/DIN HiFi (Cr) 4.76 70+3180 (no. 831107) > > Can I make any use any of them checking / calibrating my Naks? And are > they > worth the prize in your honest opinion? > > Best Regards, > > Per > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Nov 6 21:38:23 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:38:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BASF calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110611061031w47bc55e6g8beb21986a80a903@mail.gmail.com> References: <008001c701d0$0b2a10c0$b207010a@hurtignok> <6bddc1110611061031w47bc55e6g8beb21986a80a903@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454F9D3F.1020009@peromarta.org> I am afraid these (BASF) will probably be IEC 1981 Prague standard, and 315Hz level refers to -4dB, pretty much like the TEAC test tapes. The probably will be very accurate, but you will need to take into account the -4dB for your adjustments, which might be a bit confusing. Best rgds, LP. Tim Skorick escribió: > I think it depends on your Nak, these would undoubtedly calibrate to the > lesser IEC standard which only apply to some later Naks. It also helps > to determine if these tapes contain the tones/levels via which Naks are > factory built to be calibrated, such as the playback frequencies (10, > 15, and 20 kHz) and the like. > > If you're already going to spend $63 plus shipping, you'd probably be > better off spending a hair more and getting Luis' clones of factory > originals. > > -Tim > > On 11/6/06, * Per* < pdb at mit.bolignet.dk > > wrote: > > Hi, > > Sorry if I am asking something that has already been clearified in > this forum > but from a Danish store selling all its studio equipment I have been > asked if > I want to buy 3 original BASF calibration tapes at around 63 > dollars, total. > > Level controlm, 315Hz > IEC/DIN HiFi (Fe) 4.76 120+3180 (no. 831915) > IEC/DIN HiFi (Cr) 4.76 70+3180 (no. 831107) > > Can I make any use any of them checking / calibrating my Naks? And > are they > worth the prize in your honest opinion? > > Best Regards, > > Per > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 6 23:07:38 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:07:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC Message-ID: <454FB22A.7020104@xs4all.nl> As of today i'm the proud owner of a Dragon CD + DAC combination, what an incredible piece of technology. My old Sony XA-50ES is nothing compared to this! Much more detailed playback, very analog sounding and then the looks... whow! Any other Dragon CD owners on the list? Wouter From N4229K at aol.com Tue Nov 7 01:43:01 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:43:01 EST Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC Message-ID: Hi Wouter: Dean here. Yes, I bought my Dragon new in the 80s and will never sell it although I listen to my RX-505 most of the time. I can't live without autoreverse! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 7 03:02:12 2006 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:02:12 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC Message-ID: I seen one sell for $2200 some 3-4 weeks ago on Ebay. It soundeded like a good deal, however I don't own one. Not yet. >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC >Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:07:38 +0100 > > >As of today i'm the proud owner of a Dragon CD + DAC combination, what an >incredible piece of technology. >My old Sony XA-50ES is nothing compared to this! > >Much more detailed playback, very analog sounding and then the looks... >whow! > >Any other Dragon CD owners on the list? > >Wouter >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Nov 7 09:51:32 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:51:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10535.212.78.164.66.1162889492.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Dean... It's just another kind of Dragon... Bleus has a picture of it on his web, the DAC is missing only in this setup: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakdragoncd.html Wouter > Hi Wouter: > Dean here. Yes, I bought my Dragon new in the 80s and will never sell it > although I listen to my RX-505 most of the time. I can't live without > autoreverse! From N4229K at aol.com Tue Nov 7 11:39:36 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 05:39:36 EST Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC Message-ID: In a message dated 11/7/2006 3:54:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, wheijke at xs4all.nl writes: Hi Dean... It's just another kind of Dragon... Bleus has a picture of it on his web, the DAC is missing only in this setup: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakdragoncd.html Wouter WOW that is a beautiful piece of equipment. What was original cost MSRP? Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Was it a quest or a lost puppy? tom brucker At 11:07 PM 11/6/06 +0100, you wrote: > >As of today i'm the proud owner of a Dragon CD + DAC combination, what >an incredible piece of technology. >My old Sony XA-50ES is nothing compared to this! > >Much more detailed playback, very analog sounding and then the looks... >whow! > >Any other Dragon CD owners on the list? > >Wouter >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Nov 7 16:23:51 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:23:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061107082822.00835a80@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061107082822.00835a80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <18431.212.78.164.66.1162913031.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Sad puppy kept locked-up by it's boss ... It's sound is really amazing. Soon i'll be comparing it with a friend who has a Wadia and can't stop talking about it. Also strange why so less can be found about these Dragons... I understand there was a normal and a Limited version. Anyway Nakamichi still lists it on it's website on the Kobayashi hall of fame. Maybe Marc Denis can add some of his knowledge on this subject? Wouter > Oh Wouter.... > tell us the story! Was it a quest or a lost puppy? > From fsclaol at yahoo.com Tue Nov 7 17:11:11 2006 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:11:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........ Message-ID: <20061107161111.71088.qmail@web36613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is there a service manual out there for my deck. I recently found this site and this has revived my interest in getting my old 600 up and running again. In the past day, I turned on the 600 and tried to play a cassette. There's a squeal eminating from the deck and wow and flutter are nowhere near original specs. I would tackle lubing and rebelting blind but would much rather have a service manual as backup. Or better yet, can anyone lend their experience with an old 600? My VU meters no longer are lighted and would like to know if I have to replace just lights (are they still available?) or the entire meter (not happening as they are still working). Thanks in Advance for any input. 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Li escribió: > > Is there a service manual out there for my deck. I recently found this > site and this has revived my interest in getting my old 600 up and > running again. > > In the past day, I turned on the 600 and tried to play a cassette. > There's a squeal eminating from the deck and wow and flutter are nowhere > near original specs. > > I would tackle lubing and rebelting blind but would much rather have a > service manual as backup. > > Or better yet, can anyone lend their experience with an old 600? > > My VU meters no longer are lighted and would like to know if I have to > replace just lights (are they still available?) or the entire meter > (not happening as they are still working). > > Thanks in Advance for any input. > > Fred in CT > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kmashlan at shaw.ca Tue Nov 7 18:58:58 2006 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:58:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR7E for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00b201c70296$6865cb00$5f01a8c0@shuttle> As I remember, the A is American, and the E is European. The difference is the power supply – if it has 240/220/120/110 volt settings etc. Ken _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jean deschamps Sent: November 7, 2006 9:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7E for sale Hello! I'm the "happy owner" of a nak ZX-7, old but in good condition, and I search for a CR-7. But is here anybody able to explain me the difference between the CR-7A vs CR-7E? Thanks a lot, and please excuse my vedry approximative english. _____ From: "Andy" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7E for sale Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:29:35 -0000 >There's a serviced CR7E available for £550.00 if anyone is >interested? > >I have no connection with the seller or this product! > >http://zerogain.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14139 > >Regards. > >Spenny > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Mann" > >To: "Nakamichi Owners Club" >Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 12:14 PM >Subject: [naktalk] CR7E for sale > > >>Guys >> >>It's not mine and I won't be bidding but I just >>wondered if you'd seen this item on eBay: >>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170045719574&r d=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 >> >>Good luck if anyone goes for it! >> >>Chris >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ TEN : Windows Live Messenger en illimité sur votre mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But is here anybody able to explain me the > difference between the CR-7A vs CR-7E? > > Thanks a lot, and please excuse my vedry approximative english. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: /"Andy" / > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > To: /"Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" / > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] CR7E for sale/ > Date: /Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:29:35 -0000/ > >There's a serviced CR7E available for £550.00 if anyone is > >interested? > > > >I have no connection with the seller or this product! > > > >http://zerogain.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14139 > > > >Regards. > > > >Spenny > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Mann" > > > >To: "Nakamichi Owners Club" > >Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 12:14 PM > >Subject: [naktalk] CR7E for sale > > > > > >>Guys > >> > >>It's not mine and I won't be bidding but I just > >>wondered if you'd seen this item on eBay: > >>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170045719574&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > >> > >>Good luck if anyone goes for it! > >> > >>Chris > From N4229K at aol.com Tue Nov 7 20:42:20 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:42:20 EST Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........ Message-ID: In a message dated 11/7/2006 12:23:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, luis at peromarta.org writes: > My VU meters no longer are lighted and would like to know if I have to > replace just lights (are they still available?) or the entire meter > (not happening as they are still working). > > Thanks in Advance for any input. > > Fred in CT I Have Bulbs Dean in NY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Nov 7 20:55:00 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:55:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........ In-Reply-To: <20061107161111.71088.qmail@web36613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061107161111.71088.qmail@web36613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ah, my favorite Nakamichi! I've replaced the meter lamps in my 600s several times; they seem to last only about 1,000 hours or so. The meters are fine, I'd wager. I've uploaded a copy of my service manual for you to download at your leisure. http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/pdf/nak600servman.pdf The squeal is most likely the belts, the capstan bearing, the turntable bearings, a very dirty pinch roller (or its bearings) or the tape itself -- or a combination. Follow the manual's directions for lubrication. I'm using Caloil Turbine Oil #10, the oil I use on all my tape recorders great and small because it was recommended by Ampex and Scully for their reel-to-reels and was readily available where I lived. I'm unsure if this is available anymore. My can of the stuff was bought in 1979 and I still have plenty left. Also, be sure to clean throroughly the entire belt path before replacing the belt. I've been using Ronsonol as an effective cleaner. Don't get any of this in the bearings or your 600 is in for trouble. Afterward, dry the belt path with a lint-free cloth. Hope this helps! On Nov 7, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Fred S.C. Li wrote: > > Is there a service manual out there for my deck. I recently found > this site and this has revived my interest in getting my old 600 up > and running again. > > In the past day, I turned on the 600 and tried to play a cassette. > There's a squeal eminating from the deck and wow and flutter are > nowhere near original specs. > > I would tackle lubing and rebelting blind but would much rather > have a service manual as backup. > > Or better yet, can anyone lend their experience with an old 600? > > My VU meters no longer are lighted and would like to know if I have > to replace just lights (are they still available?) or the entire > meter (not happening as they are still working). > > Thanks in Advance for any input. > > Fred in CT > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From btorre at ix.netcom.com Tue Nov 7 22:24:53 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:24:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........ In-Reply-To: References: <20061107161111.71088.qmail@web36613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061107162320.0438bb00@ix.netcom.com> At 02:55 PM 11/7/06, you wrote: > I'm using Caloil Turbine Oil #10, the oil I use on all my tape > recorders great and small because it was recommended by Ampex and > Scully for their reel-to-reels and was readily available where I > lived. I'm unsure if this is available anymore. Do a net search for the "Zoom spout oiler". It's carried by some hardware stores and is real turbine oil. Great stuff. Buy two, they're small. Ditto for any Nak decks you happen to run into. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Nov 7 22:51:23 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:51:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........ In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061107162320.0438bb00@ix.netcom.com> References: <20061107161111.71088.qmail@web36613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061107162320.0438bb00@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <59E0BC1E-8802-43B9-BC08-9C18F101520D@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Ben, On Nov 7, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Ben Torre wrote: > At 02:55 PM 11/7/06, you wrote: >> I'm using Caloil Turbine Oil #10, the oil I use on all my tape >> recorders great and small because it was recommended by Ampex and >> Scully for their reel-to-reels and was readily available where I >> lived. I'm unsure if this is available anymore. > > Do a net search for the "Zoom spout oiler". It's carried by some > hardware stores and is real turbine oil. > > Great stuff. > Thanks for the tip! Appreciated! > Buy two, they're small. Ditto for any Nak decks you happen to run > into. Definitely I'll buy two of every Nak I can! But they're not small. (Smile.) > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 7 23:01:37 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:01:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........ In-Reply-To: <20061107161111.71088.qmail@web36613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061107160137.0083b8a0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Nov 8 00:04:38 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:04:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........ In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061107174156.037b9c60@ix.netcom.com> References: <20061107161111.71088.qmail@web36613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061107162320.0438bb00@ix.netcom.com> <59E0BC1E-8802-43B9-BC08-9C18F101520D@woods-and-waters.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061107174156.037b9c60@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Hi Ben, On Nov 7, 2006, at 4:43 PM, Ben Torre wrote: > At 04:51 PM 11/7/06, you wrote: >>> Buy two, they're small. Ditto for any Nak decks you happen to run >>> into. >> >> Definitely I'll buy two of every Nak I can! But they're not small. >> (Smile.) > > Compared to my Ampex 351-2, Nak decks are veeeeery small. Oh yes, that's true. My first "field recorder" was an Ampex 350 ... it was packed into three heavy cases that stacked and interconnected, one for each channel and one for the transport. I'm awaiting my Ampex 354 to arrive from being restored. Will be fun. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Nov 8 00:11:19 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:11:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A Message-ID: <27473882-613B-4778-B1F2-8CBC1CDB7769@woods-and-waters.com> Hello all, Was the Advent 201A the model that Nakamichi made the transport for, or did it have the Wollensak Cassette guardian transport? Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From lenaw at flash.net Wed Nov 8 00:58:23 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:58:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A In-Reply-To: <27473882-613B-4778-B1F2-8CBC1CDB7769@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20061107235823.48285.qmail@web80228.mail.yahoo.com> Advent 201 and 201A use Wollensak Transport. Advent 200 uses Nakamichi Transport ( which claims to be not a good transport at that time ). Kermit Gray wrote: Hello all, Was the Advent 201A the model that Nakamichi made the transport for, or did it have the Wollensak Cassette guardian transport? Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Nov 8 01:38:24 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:38:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 70's naks require stepdown transformer? Message-ID: Ive become alerted to a problem with 1970's/early 80's Music amplifers from Great Britan that I own( Marshall, Sound City), in that the voltage requierments specifies US 110 volt, but that most modern common house current is actually 120 Volt. This is reported to lead to overvoltages of the certain compononts, therefore a stepdown transformer is reccomended for use in the gear. Hdoes anyone haveany detail about that problem and if pertains to 70's/80's Nakamichi machines? -- From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Wed Nov 8 02:14:03 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:14:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........ References: <20061107161111.71088.qmail@web36613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061107162320.0438bb00@ix.netcom.com> <59E0BC1E-8802-43B9-BC08-9C18F101520D@woods-and-waters.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061107174156.037b9c60@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <009c01c702d3$2dd6b7f0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Nothing small (or light) about my 1000 Tri-Tracer! From enoyes at snet.net Wed Nov 8 02:57:16 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:57:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........ In-Reply-To: <20061107161111.71088.qmail@web36613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061107161111.71088.qmail@web36613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4551397C.7000301@snet.net> Hi Fred it's Ed in CT. Funny you mention the 600 as I just got mine going again a couple of weeks ago. I've got to say that the 600 is truly sweet sounding deck that is as musically satisfying as any Nak I've heard. This was the first model I owned, purchased 26 years ago used. Anyway, mine was also squealing and having a tough time pulling tape. You'll want to take off the back and then remove the four screws that hold the faceplate on (same ones that hold rack handles for location). Best to then remove the cassette door so you can access the reel tables which will probably want to have the rubber idlers cleaned. I eventually removed the reel tables altogether so I could refurbish the rubber brakes underneath. The belt will probably need replacing too and it's a good idea to pull the capstan flywheel to clean and lubricate the bearing too. The meter bulbs are pretty easy to access and can be replaced with something similar from Radio Shack in a pinch. While you've got it open, you'll also want to pull and clean all the board contacts as they are notorious for getting intermittent. I spent a leisurely afternoon working away and was truly pleased with the results. Ed Fred S.C. Li wrote: > > Is there a service manual out there for my deck. I recently found > this site and this has revived my interest in getting my old 600 up > and running again. > > In the past day, I turned on the 600 and tried to play a cassette. > There's a squeal eminating from the deck and wow and flutter are > nowhere near original specs. > > I would tackle lubing and rebelting blind but would much rather have a > service manual as backup. > > Or better yet, can anyone lend their experience with an old 600? > > My VU meters no longer are lighted and would like to know if I have to > replace just lights (are they still available?) or the entire meter > (not happening as they are still working). > > Thanks in Advance for any input. > > Fred in CT > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucanica at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 03:52:17 2006 From: lucanica at gmail.com (Horacio Groppa) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:52:17 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] RE: CR7 - Reels, gears and pulleys Message-ID: Hi Soumi and all, To anchor the hub idler with a screwdriver and cut the washer before taking it out sounds good to me. Until you mentioned it, I have not noticed the screw in the base of the brass pulley. This screw is well below the back-plate plane: Is there a way to reach it without major disassembly? The pulley seems to be tightly attached to the motor shaft, so I doubt it may have came forward by itself. However, sliding it back a little bit will probably limit the arm's movement in the back-forth direction and, as you said, the trick will be to do it without compromising its ability to swing from left to right. Thanks ones more Horacio From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Nov 8 04:31:01 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:31:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A In-Reply-To: <20061107235823.48285.qmail@web80228.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061107235823.48285.qmail@web80228.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ah. Okay. Thanks! Was the Advent 201A the deck for which Nakamichi made the heads? On Nov 7, 2006, at 5:58 PM, LENA WONG wrote: > Advent 201 and 201A use Wollensak Transport. Advent 200 uses > Nakamichi Transport ( which claims to be not a good transport at > that time ). > > > > Kermit Gray wrote: > Hello all, > > Was the Advent 201A the model that Nakamichi made the transport for, > or did it have the Wollensak Cassette guardian transport? > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Wed Nov 8 08:25:41 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:55:41 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] RE: CR7 - Reels, gears and pulleys Message-ID: Hi Do NOT cut the washer ... use the knife edge to ease out the washer from the hub/axle. If you cut the washer and the cut is a bit too wide then you run the risk of washer not fitting snugly and falling off during operation as well. As for the screw on the hub .. you will have to take out the reel motor assembly .... 1) Open the Capstan motor plate 2) Remove the reel motor plate Now loosen the screw of the brass hub, and check if the idler hub sub assembly still moves vertically along the motor shaft even after tightening the brass hub ... if it does then most probably the hole in the sub assembly has widened due to wear ... in which case you might need to change it. ------------------------------- ^^ I cannot vouch for the above mentioned bit but thats what i think may have happened. You are still advised to check with resident techies to confirm this. If you can post a pic ... of the hub & assembly in closeup ... even better. Best Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Nov 8 08:45:26 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 07:45:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........ Message-ID: Hello Dennis, If you want i can sell you my first Nak a 1000 Tri-Tacer Mk-2 as a "Spare parts"...if you change all the belts & some small electronics parts will work again...for a mere $:500.00 + transportation at your expenses from Israel! BTW...Service & Instruction manual included all Originals ones! Peace, ALEX! > Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:14:03 -0800> From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........> To: naktalk at naks.com> > Nothing small (or light) about my 1000 Tri-Tracer!> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Use Messenger to talk to your IM friends, even those on Yahoo! http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=7adb59de-a857-45ba-81cc-685ee3e858fe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Nov 8 09:22:26 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 02:22:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 70's naks require stepdown transformer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32680023-E2E6-49FF-8202-263673C1F956@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Jerry, Actually, I'd recommend a voltage regulator that will take take anything from 95 VAC to 130 VAC input and output stable 120 VAC (or 117 VAC). I'm using an old Sola ferroresonant transformer for that purpose. Works quite well, but they're expensive. On Nov 7, 2006, at 6:38 PM, jerryjg wrote: > > Ive become alerted to a problem with 1970's/early 80's Music > amplifers from Great Britan that I own( Marshall, Sound City), in > that the voltage requierments specifies US 110 volt, but that most > modern common house current is actually 120 Volt. This is reported > to lead to overvoltages of the certain compononts, therefore a > stepdown transformer is reccomended for use in the gear. Hdoes > anyone haveany detail about that problem and if pertains to 70's/ > 80's Nakamichi machines? > -- Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 8 12:59:04 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:59:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 70's naks require stepdown transformer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4551C688.2060503@rcn.com> jerryjg wrote: > > Ive become alerted to a problem with 1970's/early 80's Music amplifers > from Great Britan that I own( Marshall, Sound City), in that the voltage > requierments specifies US 110 volt, but that most modern common house > current is actually 120 Volt. This is reported to lead to overvoltages > of the certain compononts, therefore a stepdown transformer is > reccomended for use in the gear. Hdoes anyone haveany detail about that > problem and if pertains to 70's/80's Nakamichi machines? > -- The Nak CR-5/CR-7 are spec'ed at 120VAC. An internal regulator on all DC voltages ensures no over voltage on deck components. In years of operating 700, 582 and CR-7 in my home I never had a single line voltage problem. I think it's a non-issue. -- Ron From enoyes at snet.net Wed Nov 8 14:28:57 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 08:28:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A In-Reply-To: References: <20061107235823.48285.qmail@web80228.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4551DB99.20404@snet.net> Heads and electronics too. I've got one at work in pretty pitiful shape. They are not a bad deck in terms of performance, but are ridiculously constructed and near impossible to service. Best use is to release built up anger as you throw it into the dumpster with all your might! Kermit Gray wrote: > Ah. > > Okay. Thanks! > > Was the Advent 201A the deck for which Nakamichi made the heads? > > On Nov 7, 2006, at 5:58 PM, LENA WONG wrote: > >> Advent 201 and 201A use Wollensak Transport. Advent 200 uses >> Nakamichi Transport ( which claims to be not a good transport at that >> time ). >> >> >> >> Kermit Gray > > wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> Was the Advent 201A the model that Nakamichi made the transport for, >> or did it have the Wollensak Cassette guardian transport? >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Wed Nov 8 14:57:43 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:57:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC In-Reply-To: <454FB22A.7020104@xs4all.nl> References: <454FB22A.7020104@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <435316124.20061108155743@kharkov.ua> Hello Wouter, WH> As of today i'm the proud owner of a Dragon CD + DAC combination, what WH> an incredible piece of technology. WH> My old Sony XA-50ES is nothing compared to this! I can't agree with your evaluation of Sony XA-50ES. It's fixed pickup CD transport is the finest piece of equipment which is capable to deliver amazingly clear and rich sound due to remarkably low jitter. Sadly all SONY fixed pickup CD players (even the top models like XA-7ES) have shitty DAC's which places them out of competition. But could you please compare the sound of your XA-50ES CD transport in combination with your (Dragon?) DAC. I'd be curious to hear your impressions of how Sony fixed pickup transport compares to Dragion CD transport. I used to have Sony XA-5ES which is basically the same as XA-50ES and can say that the fixed pickup transport is very hard to better. In your other email you mentioned a friend with Wadia. Please note that not all their models are equipped with VRDS transport. Those with non VRDS transports are not worth of attention. WH> Much more detailed playback, very analog sounding and then the looks... WH> whow! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakdragoncd.html Yeah! it is a whow! Regards, Sergei From iwa64 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 8 17:34:11 2006 From: iwa64 at hotmail.com (jean deschamps) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:34:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7E for sale In-Reply-To: <4550E0CF.3030502@rcn.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yo4frj at yo9.ro Wed Nov 8 18:19:18 2006 From: yo4frj at yo9.ro (YO9FRJ - Adrian Arghiropol) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:19:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC References: <454FB22A.7020104@xs4all.nl> <435316124.20061108155743@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <064601c7035a$37386050$2501a8c0@adrian> Dear Nakamichi friends, I'm watching from a long time this list. was seeing few words about DAC units. Well, I have one to go, if somebody interested. You just need a good CD transport. I'm a happy owner of a Nak 582, Teac V6030 and a Technics cassette player. First two pieces of machinery are doing great. The rest of my system includes two Revox and one TEAC reel-to-reel machines, like A77 and B77, etc linked to a DBX 180A, and a full ELECTROCOMPANIET line, like EMC-1UP the legendary reference CD player, EC4.7 preamplifier, AW220 power amp , and M1 loudspeakers. Quite happy with such setup. The analogue recording units sounds great. However, my Electrocompaniet ECD1 - DAC balanced output uspsampler 192kHz & 24 bits is almost new - 2006 batch, looks 10 from 10 points and probably with burn in almost finished (needs at least 100 hours). Has 2 optical and 2 SPDIF inputs. Also an Acoustic Zen Silver SPDIF cable available for the purists of sound. Since the above equipment is performing quite well, I had to offer this DAC to somebody else, or exchange it with something from the top Naks. If there are people interested, pse e-mail me at yo4frj(at)yo9.ro . I will congratulate you all for the decent and high level of the expertise and seen here. Best regards to all, Adrian Arghiropol Romania ----- Original Message ----- From: Sergei Vorontsov To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC Hello Wouter, WH> As of today i'm the proud owner of a Dragon CD + DAC combination, what WH> an incredible piece of technology. WH> My old Sony XA-50ES is nothing compared to this! I can't agree with your evaluation of Sony XA-50ES. It's fixed pickup CD transport is the finest piece of equipment which is capable to deliver amazingly clear and rich sound due to remarkably low jitter. Sadly all SONY fixed pickup CD players (even the top models like XA-7ES) have shitty DAC's which places them out of competition. But could you please compare the sound of your XA-50ES CD transport in combination with your (Dragon?) DAC. I'd be curious to hear your impressions of how Sony fixed pickup transport compares to Dragion CD transport. I used to have Sony XA-5ES which is basically the same as XA-50ES and can say that the fixed pickup transport is very hard to better. In your other email you mentioned a friend with Wadia. Please note that not all their models are equipped with VRDS transport. Those with non VRDS transports are not worth of attention. WH> Much more detailed playback, very analog sounding and then the looks... WH> whow! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakdragoncd.html Yeah! it is a whow! Regards, Sergei ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Wed Nov 8 20:06:43 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:06:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC In-Reply-To: <064601c7035a$37386050$2501a8c0@adrian> References: <454FB22A.7020104@xs4all.nl> <435316124.20061108155743@kharkov.ua> <064601c7035a$37386050$2501a8c0@adrian> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:19:18 +0200, "YO9FRJ - Adrian Arghiropol" wrote: >I'm a happy owner of a Nak 582, Teac V6030 and a Technics cassette player. First two pieces of machinery are doing great. Which model Technics do you have? Also how does the Technics and the Teac stack up against the Nak? -Mikkel From bruce4inkman at yahoo.com Wed Nov 8 21:33:21 2006 From: bruce4inkman at yahoo.com (bruce inkman) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:33:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR3A, speed adjustment advice In-Reply-To: <454CA667.9040101@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20061108203321.83534.qmail@web57710.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ron - I'm sorry to have to keep coming back to you about my problem with the CR3A, but you've provided good guidance and it's too diificult not to take the advice. Anyway, I tried the "toothpick assist" and that's seems to indicate it is the reel motor speed. Before I try an adjustment on the variable resistor, I have 2 questions: 1. Do I do the adjustment with the transport in motion, stopped or with the deck power off? 2. Is clockwise normally the direction for an increase? I appreciate any advice whenever you have time. Thanks again for the previous help. Bruce Ron wrote: Oooops... I think You're right. I, too, vaguely remember all CR-3s have the gear idler... Nonetheless, what you describe is a typical takeup problem. To verify, after starting PLAY I use a toothpick to gently help the takeup hub along (after removing the door cover, of course). If the tape doesn't stop when I do that (but does stop when I stop), it definitely *is* a takeup problem. Meaning, the takeup hub does not move and the tape sensor stops the deck, as it should. If that's the case, first make sure that there is no mechanical hindrance to takeup hub rotation. Clean and lubricate as necessary. Once mechanically OK, check the takeup hub torque in play. The correct figure is stated in the service manual, under 'Reel motor speed adjustment'. It's about 45 gr-cm and is adjustable. If you do not have a torque meter, try to increase it *slightly* from it's current value and see if that solves the problem. Good luck, -- Ron --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From modernizy at netscape.net Wed Nov 8 21:45:04 2006 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:45:04 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC References: <454FB22A.7020104@xs4all.nl> <435316124.20061108155743@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <005d01c70376$ce8ed580$5b19fea9@fwamd> Hi, Wouter, My congratulations with the new acquisition. I'd like to second Sergei in his words about Sony XA-50ES. I own this model for 5 years already and must say that its transport is superb. I made some upgrade to its internal electronics and connect it through balanced digital link (AES/EBU) to the external DAC made to my specs. This combo easily outperform the equipment cost triple as much. The reproduction is very detailed and analytical at its best - quite the sound I like and value. Please try Sony with Nak DAC, I think that even in standard (not upgraded) version of Sony as a transport you'll hear a real improvement. With the very best wishes, Nick. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Nov 8 22:09:18 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:09:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A In-Reply-To: <4551DB99.20404@snet.net> References: <20061107235823.48285.qmail@web80228.mail.yahoo.com> <4551DB99.20404@snet.net> Message-ID: <6043EB23-9CD6-4EB9-9849-3A0169AECEFB@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Ed, On Nov 8, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Edward Noyes wrote: > Heads and electronics too. I've got one at work in pretty pitiful > shape. They are not a bad deck in terms of performance, but are > ridiculously constructed and near impossible to service. Best use > is to release built up anger as you throw it into the dumpster with > all your might! I'm ROTFL! Thanks for saving my sanity in advance, I'll pass on buying a Advent 201A. > > > Kermit Gray wrote: >> Ah. >> >> Okay. Thanks! >> >> Was the Advent 201A the deck for which Nakamichi made the heads? >> >> On Nov 7, 2006, at 5:58 PM, LENA WONG wrote: >> >>> Advent 201 and 201A use Wollensak Transport. Advent 200 uses >>> Nakamichi Transport ( which claims to be not a good transport at >>> that time ). >>> >>> >>> >>> Kermit Gray wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Was the Advent 201A the model that Nakamichi made the transport for, >>> or did it have the Wollensak Cassette guardian transport? >>> Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best use >>is to release built up anger as you throw it into the dumpster with >>all your might! > >I'm ROTFL! Thanks for saving my sanity in advance, I'll pass on >buying a Advent 201A. The 201A isn't perfect, but it is far from bad, If you have the service manual, it is fairly easy to set up. Some things are a tad awkward, but remember it was an early cassette deck. Wollensak later came out with the 4766. That used the same transport, only with better electronics and TWO VU meters in a wider form factor. The real claim to fame of the Wollensak transport was the fast rewind time & the fact that it held azimuth well. It had a good-sized motor in it too. Those transports could take a real beating, and often did in the AV decks sold to schools. Is it a Nak? No. Is it a workhorse? Absolutely. From Benstratford at aol.com Wed Nov 8 22:57:01 2006 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:57:01 EST Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Capstan Belt Message-ID: Luis, Just last week I had one sent by Jeff @ ESL - Contact him at: _jeff at eslabs.com_ (mailto:jeff at eslabs.com) The service was very fast, in the post the same day. (also had the other belts and Idler tyre ready for the full monty when I get some peace and quiet!) Good Luck. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Nov 8 22:59:27 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:59:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC In-Reply-To: <005d01c70376$ce8ed580$5b19fea9@fwamd> References: <454FB22A.7020104@xs4all.nl> <435316124.20061108155743@kharkov.ua> <005d01c70376$ce8ed580$5b19fea9@fwamd> Message-ID: <4552533F.7050001@xs4all.nl> Hi Nick & Sergei, I will try the XA-50ES with the Dragon DAC when the time comes... but I doubt it sounds better. It still is a very nice player for the money. It is even nicer if you upgrade it, i placed the LC Audio XO Clock a few years ago and that made a huge difference, as well as removing the standard power cable.. Placing their ZAP Filter was on my todo list. Also nice to try is my Philips CD-960. Wouter modernizy at netscape.net wrote: > Hi, Wouter, > > My congratulations with the new acquisition. > > I'd like to second Sergei in his words about Sony XA-50ES. I own this > model > for 5 years already and must say that its transport is superb. I made > some > upgrade to its internal electronics and connect it through balanced > digital > link (AES/EBU) to the external DAC made to my specs. This combo easily > outperform the equipment cost triple as much. The reproduction is very > detailed and analytical at its best - quite the sound I like and value. > > Please try Sony with Nak DAC, I think that even in standard (not > upgraded) > version of Sony as a transport you'll hear a real improvement. > > With the very best wishes, > > Nick. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Nov 8 23:40:47 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:40:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 verus MR-2 In-Reply-To: <0f5801c6fef3$93fd5900$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: <0f5801c6fef3$93fd5900$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: > HiTech wrote: > Kermit, > The 1/4 " signal is normalled thru to the rcas, so it is -10dB on > both, but > the rcas are dead when the 1/4" is used. > > tom brucker On Nov 2, 2006, at 8:55 PM, Dennis Orr wrote: >> Hello all, >> Out of curiosity, does the MR-2 have balanced +4 dB inputs or does >> it have only unbalanced -10 dB inputs on both RCA and 1/4-inch >> phone jacks? Thanks! >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! > > My MR-2 manual says -10 dB for both > Thanks for the info! I'm designing an accessory for the MR-2 and this ionfo helps immensely! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Nov 8 23:44:01 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:44:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061108224401.72170.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How much it costed you? kannan Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Luis, Just last week I had one sent by Jeff @ ESL - Contact him at: jeff at eslabs.com The service was very fast, in the post the same day. (also had the other belts and Idler tyre ready for the full monty when I get some peace and quiet!) Good Luck. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Nov 8 23:45:49 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:45:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Deck comparison In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, On Nov 6, 2006, at 5:04 AM, David Thompson wrote: > I would appreciate some comments on the comparison of the 670ZX, > 582 and > LX-5 decks. I think that is their age order. I know that > comparisons float > through periodically but it is hard to recall details after the > event when I > see one of them around. I gather all three have the classic > mechanism and 3 > heads. I have a 582 and wonder about picking up one of the others > when they > come up. Thanks > To my ear, I'd say the 670ZX is best, with a detailed sound stage and excellent clarity overall. The 581 and 582 are similar sounding but to my ear lake the sense of "size" and midrange "speed" (sorry for the flow of audiophile cliches -- I've a bad migraine headache today). The LX5 is also outstanding but to my ear is more "modern" (i.e. tries to be more neutral sounding to compete with digital). I prefer my Revox B710 to the LX5, apologies to LX5 owners; but I pefer the 670ZX, my 680ZX and -- of course -- my faithful 600, 600-II, 500 and 550 to the Revox B710. Nevertheless you cannot go wrong with an LX5. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From buddam at lsbu.ac.uk Thu Nov 9 00:23:07 2006 From: buddam at lsbu.ac.uk (Budd, Adrian Mark) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:23:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 600 Mk 1 squeal Message-ID: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D12F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> To add to my previous post, my 600 provided me with a sublime listening experience the other night with a freebie jazz tape from a magazine in 1995. But, if I FF, there's a slight squeal, and if I listen very carefully it's also there on play. Any ideas? Thanks By the way is the 600II any different to the Mk 1 save for the headphone socket? This e-mail message may be confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Please do not disseminate or distribute this message other than to its intended recipient without permission of the author. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify me by email immediately and delete the original message and all copies in your computer systems. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 9 00:30:56 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:30:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR3A, speed adjustment advice In-Reply-To: <20061108203321.83534.qmail@web57710.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20061108203321.83534.qmail@web57710.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <455268B0.7040809@rcn.com> First, be sure that the motor is bad -- not the gear or hub or whatever. The adjustment is usually done with the deck just turned on from cold. The adjustment gauge is inserted and the deck put in PLAY mode. IIRC, it's pot VR601 and it's turned clockwise to increase torque, but I could be wrong. If you do not have a torque gauge but do have a voltmeter, measure the voltage across the reel motor when playing the middle of a cassette. Note it so you can return the pot to original position. Expect about 2.2VDC-2.5VDC. Increase in 0.1V increments. Be aware that if the reel motor has bad dead spots, this won't help, you'll need a new one. Good luck, -- Ron bruce inkman wrote: > Ron - I'm sorry to have to keep coming back to you about my problem > with the CR3A, but you've provided good guidance and it's too diificult > not to take the advice. > Anyway, I tried the "toothpick assist" and that's seems to indicate it > is the reel motor speed. Before I try an adjustment on the variable > resistor, I have 2 questions: > > 1. Do I do the adjustment with the transport in motion, stopped or with > the deck power off? > 2. Is clockwise normally the direction for an increase? > > I appreciate any advice whenever you have time. > Thanks again for the previous help. > > Bruce > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Oooops... I think You're right. I, too, vaguely remember > all CR-3s have the gear idler... > > Nonetheless, what you describe is a typical takeup problem. > To verify, after starting PLAY I use a toothpick to gently > help the takeup hub along (after removing the door cover, > of course). If the tape doesn't stop when I do that (but > does stop when I stop), it definitely *is* a takeup > problem. Meaning, the takeup hub does not move and the > tape sensor stops the deck, as it should. > > If that's the case, first make sure that there is no > mechanical hindrance to takeup hub rotation. Clean and > lubricate as necessary. > > Once mechanically OK, check the takeup hub torque in play. > The correct figure is stated in the service manual, under > 'Reel motor speed adjustment'. It's about 45 gr-cm and is > adjustable. If you do not have a torque meter, try to > increase it *slightly* from it's current value and see if > that solves the problem. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > From buddam at lsbu.ac.uk Thu Nov 9 00:50:35 2006 From: buddam at lsbu.ac.uk (Budd, Adrian Mark) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:50:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] dead 582 Message-ID: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D130@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> (This is my 'previous message' - my error) I've just got a 582, but after switching it on for the 3rd time power has gone. Already I'd discovered that there was hiss and glare, especially on metal tapes and on the left channel. Since I don't have the expertise to solve these problems (but switched it on tonight prepared to set abou azimuth, bias, etc tweaking) I wondered if anyone here is interested in it for parts, or to resurrect if they have the appropriate skills. I'm in London UK. Meanwhile I'll stick with the 480 and 600 mk1 I also have - and which sound superb. Adrian Budd This e-mail message may be confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Please do not disseminate or distribute this message other than to its intended recipient without permission of the author. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify me by email immediately and delete the original message and all copies in your computer systems. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 00:54:01 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:54:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] dead 582 In-Reply-To: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D130@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> References: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D130@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <6bddc1110611081554g4c94f1b1qf154964936991272@mail.gmail.com> I am attempting to resurrect a 581M that had some mechanical damage during shipping -- I would VERY much love to get my hands on this deck if it is still available. Where are you located? -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Thu Nov 9 01:11:43 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:11:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Deck comparison Message-ID: Kermit Thanks for your interesting comments. I expected the 582 to beat the 670ZX! There is a 670 on ebay australia starting at AU$100. I am trying to resist the impulse to do something. I missed the LX-5 to a last minute bidder. David Message: 9 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:45:49 -0600 From: Kermit Gray Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck comparison To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi David, On Nov 6, 2006, at 5:04 AM, David Thompson wrote: > I would appreciate some comments on the comparison of the 670ZX, > 582 and > LX-5 decks. I think that is their age order. I know that > comparisons float > through periodically but it is hard to recall details after the > event when I > see one of them around. I gather all three have the classic > mechanism and 3 > heads. I have a 582 and wonder about picking up one of the others > when they > come up. Thanks > To my ear, I'd say the 670ZX is best, with a detailed sound stage and excellent clarity overall. The 581 and 582 are similar sounding but to my ear lake the sense of "size" and midrange "speed" (sorry for the flow of audiophile cliches -- I've a bad migraine headache today). The LX5 is also outstanding but to my ear is more "modern" (i.e. tries to be more neutral sounding to compete with digital). I prefer my Revox B710 to the LX5, apologies to LX5 owners; but I pefer the 670ZX, my 680ZX and -- of course -- my faithful 600, 600-II, 500 and 550 to the Revox B710. Nevertheless you cannot go wrong with an LX5. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Thu Nov 9 01:47:59 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:47:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........ References: Message-ID: <042901c703a2$a67291a0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Uhhhhh, thanks for the offer, but I paid just over $200 delivered for one that works fine! Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Nov 9 06:13:00 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:13:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 600 Mk 1 squeal In-Reply-To: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D12F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> References: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D12F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2E7851DB-C84F-4907-BD3A-E205381BBD19@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Adrian, On Nov 8, 2006, at 5:23 PM, Budd, Adrian Mark wrote: > To add to my previous post, my 600 provided me with a sublime > listening experience the other night with a freebie jazz tape from > a magazine in 1995. But, if I FF, there's a slight squeal, and if I > listen very carefully it's also there on play. Any ideas? > I'd check the "usual suspects": belts, pinch roller bearing, and the cassette tape itself. I've forgotten one or two other items to check. Drat. > Thanks > > By the way is the 600II any different to the Mk 1 save for the > headphone socket? > Yes. The 600 has an Intermodulation distortion reduction feature the 600-II lacks., Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Nov 9 06:14:44 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:14:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Deck comparison In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26FCC3DA-2049-4AC9-BA97-6ABD89650AFD@woods-and-waters.com> Hi David, On Nov 8, 2006, at 6:11 PM, David Thompson wrote: > Kermit > > Thanks for your interesting comments. I expected the 582 to beat > the 670ZX! > There is a 670 on ebay australia starting at AU$100. I am trying to > resist > the impulse to do something. I missed the LX-5 to a last minute > bidder. > You're a bigger man than I because I'd not resist the 670ZX. Should we call you Megohm or Kilohm? > David > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:45:49 -0600 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck comparison > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi David, > > On Nov 6, 2006, at 5:04 AM, David Thompson wrote: > >> I would appreciate some comments on the comparison of the 670ZX, >> 582 and >> LX-5 decks. I think that is their age order. I know that >> comparisons float >> through periodically but it is hard to recall details after the >> event when I >> see one of them around. I gather all three have the classic >> mechanism and 3 >> heads. I have a 582 and wonder about picking up one of the others >> when they >> come up. Thanks >> > > To my ear, I'd say the 670ZX is best, with a detailed sound stage and > excellent clarity overall. The 581 and 582 are similar sounding but > to my ear lake the sense of "size" and midrange "speed" (sorry for > the flow of audiophile cliches -- I've a bad migraine headache > today). The LX5 is also outstanding but to my ear is more > "modern" (i.e. tries to be more neutral sounding to compete with > digital). I prefer my Revox B710 to the LX5, apologies to LX5 > owners; but I pefer the 670ZX, my 680ZX and -- of course -- my > faithful 600, 600-II, 500 and 550 to the Revox B710. Nevertheless you > cannot go wrong with an LX5. > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From luis at peromarta.org Thu Nov 9 09:51:17 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:51:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 600 Mk 1 squeal In-Reply-To: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D12F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> References: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D12F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4552EC05.60902@peromarta.org> Your deck probably needs a transport rebuild, including cleaning and re-lubing. The 600-II also provides a 10Khz bias adjustment tone. Best rgds, LP. Budd, Adrian Mark escribió: > To add to my previous post, my 600 provided me with a sublime listening > experience the other night with a freebie jazz tape from a magazine in > 1995. But, if I FF, there's a slight squeal, and if I listen very > carefully it's also there on play. Any ideas? > > Thanks > > By the way is the 600II any different to the Mk 1 save for the headphone > socket? > > > > This e-mail message may be confidential and is intended only for the use > of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It may contain information > which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. > Please do not disseminate or distribute this message other than to its > intended recipient without permission of the author. You should not copy > it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other > person. If you have received this message in error, please notify me by > email immediately and delete the original message and all copies in your > computer systems. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From buddam at lsbu.ac.uk Thu Nov 9 11:03:20 2006 From: buddam at lsbu.ac.uk (Budd, Adrian Mark) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:03:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] dead 582 References: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D130@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> <6bddc1110611081554g4c94f1b1qf154964936991272@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D131@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> Hi Tim I'm in N London, Highbury/Stoke Newington. Any good? Dr Adrian Budd Subject Leader in International Politics and European Policy Studies Faculty of Arts and Human Sciences London South Bank University ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of Tim Skorick Sent: Wed 08/11/2006 23:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] dead 582 I am attempting to resurrect a 581M that had some mechanical damage during shipping -- I would VERY much love to get my hands on this deck if it is still available. Where are you located? -Tim This e-mail message may be confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Please do not disseminate or distribute this message other than to its intended recipient without permission of the author. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify me by email immediately and delete the original message and all copies in your computer systems. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3151 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 9 13:19:34 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:19:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E Meter level calibration Message-ID: <20061109121934.7775.qmail@web27412.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I've been quiet of late but my desire to get my second BX "singing" is undiminished. I'm very grateful to Luis Peromarta whose tapes and advice have steered me in the right direction. Working through the BX-300 Service Manual with Luis' tapes and Paul Marshall's Audio Level Meter software (which I think Luis recommended to other NakTalk members, not just me) I have reached a stage where the height and azimuth of the PB head are as accurate as I can make them. I've decided that some meter calibration is necessary because on playback of program material (as opposed to calibration tones) the right-hand peak meter consistently reads higher than the left. The Service Manual tells me I have to adjust Input level controls to produce 1.0 V at the output jacks. Possibly this is a silly question, but is that going to be 1.0 V AC or DC? My DMM will let me measure DC easily (which I think I've seen described as a "carrier") but I can't get any reading at all for AC voltage, even using the lower of the 2 AC ranges on my DMM. If anyone knows of a "DMM's for dummies" website, please put me out of my misery... Thank you. Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 9 14:48:42 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:48:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E Meter level calibration In-Reply-To: <20061109121934.7775.qmail@web27412.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20061109121934.7775.qmail@web27412.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <455331BA.8010507@rcn.com> Chris Mann wrote: > I've been quiet of late but my desire to get my second > BX "singing" is undiminished. > > I'm very grateful to Luis Peromarta whose tapes and > advice have steered me in the right direction. > > Working through the BX-300 Service Manual with Luis' > tapes and Paul Marshall's Audio Level Meter software > (which I think Luis recommended to other NakTalk > members, not just me) I have reached a stage where the > height and azimuth of the PB head are as accurate as I > can make them. > > I've decided that some meter calibration is necessary > because on playback of program material (as opposed to > calibration tones) the right-hand peak meter > consistently reads higher than the left. The Service > Manual tells me I have to adjust Input level controls > to produce 1.0 V at the output jacks. Possibly this is > a silly question, but is that going to be 1.0 V AC or > DC? My DMM will let me measure DC easily (which I > think I've seen described as a "carrier") but I can't > get any reading at all for AC voltage, even using the > lower of the 2 AC ranges on my DMM. > > If anyone knows of a "DMM's for dummies" website, > please put me out of my misery... Thank you. > > Chris The audio signal is AC. AC voltages cannot be measured on a DC scale. To measure audio, switch the DMM to the AC function and choose the range that includes 1V. -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 15:15:14 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:15:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance & Revival........ In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061107174156.037b9c60@ix.netcom.com> References: <59E0BC1E-8802-43B9-BC08-9C18F101520D@woods-and-waters.com> <20061107161111.71088.qmail@web36613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061107162320.0438bb00@ix.netcom.com> <59E0BC1E-8802-43B9-BC08-9C18F101520D@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061109081514.0083c180@earthlink.net> Speaking of portable Ampex. As a child a family friend named Dave Jones had a station wagon with 2 Ampex 350s loading (!) down the rear. Photographs typically showed the rear bottomed out. Dave went from location recording mid-Ohio dixieland to Odetta and theo Bikel in NYC for Vanguard records. tom brucker At 05:43 PM 11/7/06 -0500, you wrote: >At 04:51 PM 11/7/06, you wrote: >>>Buy two, they're small. Ditto for any Nak decks you happen to run >>>into. >> >>Definitely I'll buy two of every Nak I can! But they're not small. >>(Smile.) > >Compared to my Ampex 351-2, Nak decks are veeeeery small. > >Back in the Golden Age, Ampex defined "portable" as "under 400lbs". No joke. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 15:15:13 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:15:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: CR7 - Reels, gears and pulleys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061109081513.0083c180@earthlink.net> i recommend pulling the washer off with a knife blade. Do not attempt to change the brass pulley height as described below. The screw doesn't really hold the pulley in place, as it also has lockpaint. Its height is critical to the idler's contact friction. BTW, for those unfortunates who break the idler's swivel, I have a source for the idler plus the swivel. tom brucker At 11:52 PM 11/7/06 -0300, you wrote: >Hi Soumi and all, > >To anchor the hub idler with a screwdriver and cut the washer before taking >it out sounds good to me. > >Until you mentioned it, I have not noticed the screw in the base of the >brass pulley. This screw is well below the back-plate plane: Is there a way >to reach it without major disassembly? > >The pulley seems to be tightly attached to the motor shaft, so I doubt it >may have came forward by itself. However, sliding it back a little bit will >probably limit the arm's movement in the back-forth direction and, as you >said, the trick will be to do it without compromising its ability to swing >from left to right. > >Thanks ones more > >Horacio > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 15:15:12 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:15:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC In-Reply-To: <064601c7035a$37386050$2501a8c0@adrian> References: <454FB22A.7020104@xs4all.nl> <435316124.20061108155743@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061109081512.0083c620@earthlink.net> Listening and finding quality DACs is an interesting story unto itself. Newer DACs benefit from the incredible clock speeds and lower power consumption availible in today's chips. Video and audio DSP processors have seen similar advances. It strikes me as a fundamental truth that the DAC is only as good as the care and "voicing" the engineers have applied to the analog output stage. What set the Nakamichi PCM beta tape AD/DA processor apart from the Sony was the bass sound and air in the treble. I would expect that the CD DAC was listened to extensively and has better sound than most. It was more expensive to realize excellent sound with older technology. Early Wadia DACS were fine sounding, in fact it was the first processor I heard that did not have the characteristic digital harshness I hear with cd (can you tell I own NO cds?). Later designs like the Levinson, and the Apogee make this achievement almost mundane today. I can imagine it would seem sensible that a new Electro DAC would have to sound better than an old Nak, but at this level of performance I would only part with my old processor after a month of listening to the new. tom brucker At 07:19 PM 11/8/06 +0200, you wrote: >>>> Dear Nakamichi friends, I'm watching from a long time this list. was seeing few words about DAC units. Well, I have one to go, if somebody interested. You just need a good CD transport. I'm a happy owner of a Nak 582, Teac V6030 and a Technics cassette player. First two pieces of machinery are doing great. The rest of my system includes two Revox and one TEAC reel-to-reel machines, like A77 and B77, etc linked to a DBX 180A, and a full ELECTROCOMPANIET line, like EMC-1UP the legendary reference CD player, EC4.7 preamplifier, AW220 power amp , and M1 loudspeakers. Quite happy with such setup. The analogue recording units sounds great. However, my Electrocompaniet ECD1 - DAC balanced output uspsampler 192kHz & 24 bits is almost new - 2006 batch, looks 10 from 10 points and probably with burn in almost finished (needs at least 100 hours). Has 2 optical and 2 SPDIF inputs. Also an Acoustic Zen Silver SPDIF cable available for the purists of sound. Since the above equipment is performing quite well, I had to offer this DAC to somebody else, or exchange it with something from the top Naks. If there are people interested, pse e-mail me at yo4frj(at)yo9.ro . I will congratulate you all for the decent and high level of the expertise and seen here. Best regards to all, Adrian Arghiropol Romania ----- Original Message ----- From: Sergei Vorontsov To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon CD/DAC Hello Wouter, WH> As of today i'm the proud owner of a Dragon CD + DAC combination, what WH> an incredible piece of technology. WH> My old Sony XA-50ES is nothing compared to this! I can't agree with your evaluation of Sony XA-50ES. It's fixed pickup CD transport is the finest piece of equipment which is capable to deliver amazingly clear and rich sound due to remarkably low jitter. Sadly all SONY fixed pickup CD players (even the top models like XA-7ES) have shitty DAC's which places them out of competition. But could you please compare the sound of your XA-50ES CD transport in combination with your (Dragon?) DAC. I'd be curious to hear your impressions of how Sony fixed pickup transport compares to Dragion CD transport. I used to have Sony XA-5ES which is basically the same as XA-50ES and can say that the fixed pickup transport is very hard to better. In your other email you mentioned a friend with Wadia. Please note that not all their models are equipped with VRDS transport. Those with non VRDS transports are not worth of attention. WH> Much more detailed playback, very analog sounding and then the looks... WH> whow! http://www.angelfi re.com/wi/blueswapper/nakdragoncd.html Yeah! it is a whow! Regards, Sergei ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 15:41:59 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:41:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E Meter level calibration In-Reply-To: <20061109121934.7775.qmail@web27412.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061109084159.0083cca0@earthlink.net> Just to clarify, use the AC volts RMS setting, not AC average or AC peak. tom brucker At 12:19 PM 11/9/06 +0000, you wrote: >I've been quiet of late but my desire to get my second >BX "singing" is undiminished. > >I'm very grateful to Luis Peromarta whose tapes and >advice have steered me in the right direction. > >Working through the BX-300 Service Manual with Luis' >tapes and Paul Marshall's Audio Level Meter software >(which I think Luis recommended to other NakTalk >members, not just me) I have reached a stage where the >height and azimuth of the PB head are as accurate as I >can make them. > >I've decided that some meter calibration is necessary >because on playback of program material (as opposed to >calibration tones) the right-hand peak meter >consistently reads higher than the left. The Service >Manual tells me I have to adjust Input level controls >to produce 1.0 V at the output jacks. Possibly this is >a silly question, but is that going to be 1.0 V AC or >DC? My DMM will let me measure DC easily (which I >think I've seen described as a "carrier") but I can't >get any reading at all for AC voltage, even using the >lower of the 2 AC ranges on my DMM. > >If anyone knows of a "DMM's for dummies" website, >please put me out of my misery... Thank you. > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 15:35:14 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:35:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 600 Mk 1 squeal In-Reply-To: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D12F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu .ac.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061109083514.0083c4e0@earthlink.net> If your cassette is TDK SA, it may well be the tape. There was a year or so when TDKs lost their lubricant. The 600II was, for all intents, a brand new model. Nak put in a better head, which eliminated the need for the IM supressor. They redesigned the head mounting hardware, put a cover on the cassette well, and added bias adjustment capability. All 600II have the aluminum idler in the mechanism. tom brucker At 11:23 PM 11/8/06 -0000, you wrote: >>>> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7038C.D94333E9" To add to my previous post, my 600 provided me with a sublime listening experience the other night with a freebie jazz tape from a magazine in 1995. But, if I FF, there's a slight squeal, and if I listen very carefully it's also there on play. Any ideas? Thanks By the way is the 600II any different to the Mk 1 save for the headphone socket? This e-mail message may be confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Please do not disseminate or distribute this message other than to its intended recipient without permission of the author. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify me by email immediately and delete the original message and all copies in your computer systems.========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 15:40:52 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:40:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR3A, speed adjustment advice In-Reply-To: <20061108203321.83534.qmail@web57710.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <454CA667.9040101@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061109084052.0083c4e0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Where are you located? -Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From fsclaol at yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 18:25:43 2006 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 09:25:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 600 Maintenance Suggestions / Afternoon Project..... Message-ID: <20061109172543.18979.qmail@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you all who have responed. And special thanks to Ed for a nice afternoon project. Fred in CT --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 18:29:07 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:29:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] dead 582 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061109082559.0083b800@earthlink.net> References: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D130@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> <3.0.3.32.20061109082559.0083b800@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6bddc1110611090929i5db74e2chd368443afa5f2eee@mail.gmail.com> You hit the nail on the head with that - that is part of the problem, but there are a couple others. Oh and it's a 580M, the 581M was a typo :-) -Tim On 11/9/06, Hi Tech < hitech77 at earthlink.net> wrote: > > If the nylon posts between the 3 layers of aluminum in the transport are > broken, simply epoxy them and clamp 24 hours. These seem to be brittle > after so many years. > > tom brucker > > At 05:54 PM 11/8/06 -0600, Tim Skorick wrote: > >>>> > I am attempting to resurrect a 581M that had some mechanical damage during > > shipping -- I would VERY much love to get my hands on this deck if it is > still available. > > Where are you located? > > -Tim > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 9 21:40:16 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:40:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fried 581M resistor In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110611091228k6ed75757sef19be0b2e401f1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061109204016.3805.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim, The resistor probably failed due to another problem in the circuit so look around. Bob Tim Skorick wrote: The 581M that I gave to a friend appears to have a fried power resistor on the board, and that the through holes and traces that the resistor used to be connected to appear to be shot: http://pics.livejournal.com/stickyboy/pic/00041xyd Anyone know if this is reparable, or is it time to hunt around for a replacement board? -Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 10 02:07:44 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:07:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fried 581M resistor In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110611091228k6ed75757sef19be0b2e401f1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110611091228k6ed75757sef19be0b2e401f1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4553D0E0.3030401@rcn.com> Tim Skorick wrote: > The 581M that I gave to a friend appears to have a fried power resistor > on the board, and that the through holes and traces that the resistor > used to be connected to appear to be shot: > http://pics.livejournal.com/stickyboy/pic/00041xyd > > > Anyone know if this is reparable, or is it time to hunt around for a > replacement board? > > -Tim This is reparable. But first, find out why the resistor fried. Then, remove it, clean the area real well and install a new resistor. If PCB traces lift, they can be replaced with a rigid wire. Once repaired the circuit should work like new for many years to come. -- Ron From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 10 03:55:22 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:55:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fried 581M resistor In-Reply-To: <4553D0E0.3030401@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20061110025522.30167.qmail@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, The resistor fried for a reason so I think another part is at fault???? Bob Ron wrote: Tim Skorick wrote: > The 581M that I gave to a friend appears to have a fried power resistor > on the board, and that the through holes and traces that the resistor > used to be connected to appear to be shot: > http://pics.livejournal.com/stickyboy/pic/00041xyd > > > Anyone know if this is reparable, or is it time to hunt around for a > replacement board? > > -Tim This is reparable. But first, find out why the resistor fried. Then, remove it, clean the area real well and install a new resistor. If PCB traces lift, they can be replaced with a rigid wire. Once repaired the circuit should work like new for many years to come. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Nov 10 08:48:44 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:48:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:48:10 +0530, s b wrote: >Hi all >I was going to make some audiophile grade connectors (RCA) and want to know what kind of cable to use for the RCA jacks ? > >Let me know your suggestions for this. Cabling: RG59. It is stiff and durable can be bought cheap in large lengths, and cut to your specific needs. That is stiff means it is not likely to loop near equipment mains wiring as most store bought RCA interlinks do as they are usually long for the job. or Microphone cable. It is very agile and lends itself to longer runs it is very well shielded and avaiable in many different grades I'd aim for about a dollar per 3 foot (1USD per 1 meter). Connectors: Goldplated. This will provide better surface contact especially with old equipment and equipment where the connectors are of questionable quality. I'd steer clear of buying the all metal ones as plastic housing with gold plated protrusions are just about equally good from a normal standpoint. But if you have no way to lead the main wiring to your equipment down the stack of equipment free from touching the audio cables and the connectors then metal housing might be good. When you buy connectors buy them from places where you get saving for buying in large amounts. Always make sure you get a good saving on the connector and if you faced with ordering 25 red and 25 black or 50 at a better price then buy the 50 and mark half of them as black yourself. Sometimes I locate some all metal housing gold plated wich have yellow markings, then I buy them and fix the marking using two inkpens to make black and red on my system. If you have the choice of using the discount regardless of color then pick 4 colors for some of the order - if you are wiring up tape decks you might appreciate additional yellow, green, blue and white choices. Later on you can use perhaps green exclusively for digital interlinks. Also worth considering is the cable strain reliefs. Some connectors are pricier because of that. For some cables such might be preffered esp cables that will be moved around a lot, curled up, and be yanked a bit when trying to make room for something. There are ocsionally sales at local electronic supplystores but eBay has a fair number of european/canadian/us/asian sellers of metal/goldplated connectors. :) If you are looking for cable really cheap try looking at the local mart bins for 5, 10 and 25 meter antenna cable, with connectors molded at either end. It might be cheaper to buy and also cut the connectors off about 3 feet off the end, then you can always mount a second connector and make an antenna cable to match your equipment if you ever need it. Heck th remainder of the cable when done making interlinks can be used to run a single length from the cable box to the vcr/dvd/tv combo. Or extend it to the hobby room as the cable has one remaining connector molded on already you don't need a small box on the wall for your old tv. in the hobby room you can follow a match game while getting on with fixing some gear or what ever. -Mikkel From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 10 14:41:32 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:41:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fried 581M resistor In-Reply-To: <20061110025522.30167.qmail@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061110025522.30167.qmail@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4554818C.1050409@rcn.com> Bob Naylor wrote: > *Ron,* > *The resistor fried for a reason so I think another part is at fault????* No question about it, which is why I said, find out why it fried. (*why* is key word). Obviously, only after correcting the causal problem would it make sense to go ahead and replace the dead resistor. -- Ron > *Bob* > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Tim Skorick wrote: > > The 581M that I gave to a friend appears to have a fried power > resistor > > on the board, and that the through holes and traces that the > resistor > > used to be connected to appear to be shot: > > http://pics.livejournal.com/stickyboy/pic/00041xyd > > > > > > Anyone know if this is reparable, or is it time to hunt around for a > > replacement board? > > > > -Tim > > This is reparable. But first, find out why the resistor > fried. Then, remove it, clean the area real well and > install a new resistor. If PCB traces lift, they can be > replaced with a rigid wire. Once repaired the circuit > should work like new for many years to come. > > -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 10 15:41:55 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:41:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45548FB3.7040706@rcn.com> s b wrote: > Hi all > I was going to make some audiophile grade connectors (RCA) and want to > know what kind of cable to use for the RCA jacks ? I personally assemble the cabling in my system. All RCA cables are cut to exact length (reduced capacitance vs. longer than necessary cables) and are bundled together (dramatically reduces ground loops). For cable I use Belden 1506A (Belden 89259 is marginally better, but is difficult to find and expensive -- hardly worth the puny difference). Compared to RG-59, 1506A is smaller diameter, very low capacitance and insulation is Teflon (best dielectric material short of vacuum or air). Unfortunately, it's not as cheap as RG-59 (that I consider a poor choice for audio). Another advantage is that the characteristic impedance is 75 ohms (this is immaterial for audio, but very important for digital and video cables) so I can build the same RCA cables for all applications. For connectors I use the Canare crimp connectors. About 3 bucks apiece. I order boots of various colors and color code each cable for the specific signal it carries (audio is white and red for left and right, video is yellow, digital is black, etc.). These connectors are the best there is for digital and video (specified at 75 ohm for up to 200MHZ!). BTW, connector gold plating is good for the only reason that it retards corrosion. The Canare connectors are hard metal plated that is better than gold for the application but (unfortunately) more expensive than gold plating. Crimping is better than soldering for low level signals, but the down side is that crimping equipment is fairly expensive and doing a good crimp joint is a bit more difficult than soldering. My approach is only good if you have a large number of cables to make (there are over 65 cables in my system and I have cabled several systems for others, some of which are as large as mine). I believe that the cables I make are the best possible and as sonically transparent as a cable can be. No, they are not as cheap as Radio Shack cables, but, OTOH, cost only a fraction of 'audiophile' cables that do not perform as well. -- Ron > > Let me know your suggestions for this. > > Best > Soumi From luis at peromarta.org Fri Nov 10 18:14:47 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:14:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4554B387.8090905@peromarta.org> Is there really an "audiophile grade connector" out there? Nah, Hi-fi paranoia. Use good quality cabling (not necesarily expensive), and shorten your run. The cable that's half in lenght is twice as good. Best rgds, LP. s b escribió: > Hi all > I was going to make some audiophile grade connectors (RCA) and want to > know what kind of cable to use for the RCA jacks ? > > Let me know your suggestions for this. > > Best > Soumi > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out some new online services at Windows Live Ideas—so new they > haven’t even been officially released yet. Try it! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Nov 10 19:14:05 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:44:05 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas Message-ID: Hi Ron and Mikkel i wanted to ask, how does Belden 8760 paired. shielded twisted pair cable work out as an RCA interconnect cable ?? Its usually used for mics. Best Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. 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Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Fri Nov 10 20:00:14 2006 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark caton) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:00:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c704fa$74ab31a0$0802a8c0@markantec> Aka "semi-balanced"? Mark _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: 10 November 2006 18:41 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas Hello Soumi, On Nov 10, 2006, at 1:18 AM, s b wrote: Hi all I was going to make some audiophile grade connectors (RCA) and want to know what kind of cable to use for the RCA jacks ? Let me know your suggestions for this. May I suggest you read my DIY audiophile cable described in a PDF. Download the PDF at http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/diycable.pdf as a starting point. This cable has many advantages over anything sold at any price and is yours to make cheaply and easily. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Nov 10 20:21:10 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:51:10 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas Message-ID: Hi Kermit I have actually gone through that PDF already :) I think thats why i was wondering if the Belden 8760 could be used too although that particular part # is not mentioned. The other thing is i cannot locate anybody selling Canare RCA plugs on ebay .. could anybody point me to an online resource selling these plugs internationally ? 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Thanks, Stan Pickens From r1seals at yahoo.com Sat Nov 11 00:47:16 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:47:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <175465.19467.qm@web50004.mail.yahoo.com> My take on this is you can go here Bluejeanscable.com They have a pretty good handle on what there cable is doing. There are Lot's of people out there that say that different cables and interconnects make a big difference that they can hear but! is it for the better? or just different. are they measuring the diff. or just using lip service. my self I haven't tried a lot of cables but what i have tried has not made much of a improvement if any and that is my thoughts. Russ --- s b wrote: > Hi Kermit > I have actually gone through that PDF already :) > I think thats why i was wondering if the Belden 8760 > could be used too although that particular part # is > not mentioned. > > The other thing is i cannot locate anybody selling > Canare RCA plugs on ebay .. could anybody point me > to an online resource selling these plugs > internationally ? > > Best Regards > Soumi > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out some new online services at Windows Live > Ideas—so new they haven’t even been officially > released yet. > http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net Sat Nov 11 00:47:37 2006 From: jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:47:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Help ta series reciever knob needed In-Reply-To: <200611101100.kAAB0Qee015845@zxe.naks.com> References: <200611101100.kAAB0Qee015845@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <45550F99.1090205@bellsouth.net> Howdy All, Does anyone have a selector knob from a ta series receiver? I'm using a ta-3a for sound at the pc and have broken a knob and figured I'd ask here before scrounging anywhere else. Thanks, Stan Pickens From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 00:55:20 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:55:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas In-Reply-To: <000601c704fa$74ab31a0$0802a8c0@markantec> References: <000601c704fa$74ab31a0$0802a8c0@markantec> Message-ID: Hi Mark, Soumi On Nov 10, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Mark caton wrote: > Aka “semi-balanced”? > > Yeah, a balanced cable configuration looking into an unbalanced input would be "quasi-balanced." This is actually an old-style balanced line adapted to an unbalanced connection. Think Altec 1566A Meets The Local HiFi. Groovy cable, though. On Nov 10, 2006, at 1:21 PM, s b wrote: > Hi Kermit > I have actually gone through that PDF already :) > I think thats why i was wondering if the Belden 8760 could be used > too although that particular part # is not mentioned. This is a perfectly acceptable cable, I didn't list it because soldering 18-gauge wire to an RCA plug is a hassle. But it can be done. i'll add Belen 8760 to the list in future updates. Here's some specs for the cable, 6-foot length, Belden 8760 cordage stock: Frequency Response : +/- 0dB from 0 Hz (DC) to up to 20 MHz, depending on terminating impedance. Signal-to-noise ratio, referred to -10 dBu, 10,000 ohms terminating impedance, 20-degrees Centigrade ambient temperature: -102.6788 dB. Thermal noise, referred to -10 dBu, 10,000 ohms terminating impedance, 20-degrees Centigrade ambient temperature: -112.6788 dB. THD: 0.0%. IM Distortion: 0.0%. FM Distortion: 0.0%. DC Resistance (per 6-feet): 0.039 ohm. Reactance: 144 pF per 6-feet. Velocity of propagation: 60% at 20 MHz Skin Effect: Nicely tanned. Color: Belden Chrome. With specs like this, you know it sounds great, right? [You do know this is a parody of audiophile cable literature.] > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Kermit Gray > Sent: 10 November 2006 18:41 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas > > > > Hello Soumi, > > > > On Nov 10, 2006, at 1:18 AM, s b wrote: > > > > > Hi all > I was going to make some audiophile grade connectors (RCA) and want > to know what kind of cable to use for the RCA jacks ? > > Let me know your suggestions for this. > > > > > > May I suggest you read my DIY audiophile cable described in a PDF. > Download the PDF at http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/ > diycable.pdf as a starting point. 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From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 01:02:27 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:02:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas In-Reply-To: <175465.19467.qm@web50004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <175465.19467.qm@web50004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Russ, Good cables, but they lack the shunt shield described in my PDF. A shunt shield will make a perceptible difference in many installations. I do not know why companies will not manufacture a cable with a true shunt shield but I've not found any who do. Highly recommended cable construction technique, the shunt shield for unbalanced inputs/outputs taught to me by a Western Electric engineer in 1974. Try it, you'll prefer it to all other cable configurations. On Nov 10, 2006, at 5:47 PM, Russ Seals wrote: > My take on this is you can go here Bluejeanscable.com > They have a pretty good handle on what there cable is > doing. There are Lot's of people out there that say > that different cables and interconnects make a big > difference that they can hear but! is it for the > better? or just different. are they measuring the > diff. or just using lip service. my self I haven't > tried a lot of cables but what i have tried has not > made much of a improvement if any and that is my > thoughts. > Russ > --- s b wrote: > >> Hi Kermit >> I have actually gone through that PDF already :) >> I think thats why i was wondering if the Belden 8760 >> could be used too although that particular part # is >> not mentioned. >> >> The other thing is i cannot locate anybody selling >> Canare RCA plugs on ebay .. could anybody point me >> to an online resource selling these plugs >> internationally ? >> >> Best Regards >> Soumi >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> Check out some new online services at Windows Live >> Ideas—so new they haven’t even been officially >> released yet. >> http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! 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From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 11 01:19:05 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:19:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455516F9.6000804@rcn.com> s b wrote: > Hi Kermit > I have actually gone through that PDF already :) > I think thats why i was wondering if the Belden 8760 could be used too > although that particular part # is not mentioned. > > The other thing is i cannot locate anybody selling Canare RCA plugs on > ebay .. could anybody point me to an online resource selling these plugs > internationally ? > > Best Regards > Soumi See http://www.markertek.com Also see http://www.canare.com/index.cfm?objectid=69A21738-3048-7098-AFA54F63C6A9870D From appleson at gate.net Sat Nov 11 03:05:27 2006 From: appleson at gate.net (Pat Appleson) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:05:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wiring RCA Plugs etc. Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110203450.01a34888@gate.net> Hi Guys, Well, first we've all heard the saying, it's not polite to discuss religion and politics in public. Let me add one other caveat. "Speaker wire" and all wiring in general. With that said, I can only tell you what I've done and what works for me. Kermit's list if pretty good and the stuff I use is on it. But, he's got Belden #8451 listed as Mic cable. It's not. It's for med to high level signals. It exhibits a very high level of triboelectric noise and is just plain microphonic at mic levels. I never use it for those purposes. You may want to try Belden 1192A for microphone use. It's a four conductor "star quad" configuration. Also, both Belden #8451 and our favorite #9451 which has the shield bonded to the jacket for very easy stripping, are for FIXED installations. Perfect for "HiFi" sets that don't move. I've been using both #8451 & 9451 since 1972 and actually still have some 1972 vintage in use in my studios. Today for new wiring, if it's not Cat5e, and it's an analog signal we use #9451. Back in the mid 1970's ABC Television Networks did some in depth tests and choose Belden 9451 for their plant in NYC. Now for guys with RCA jacks (I got some too) I use #9451 and ground the black and shield at both ends, red is high. I'm assuming that this is for "hifi" hook up. In other words, cables under 20 Feet/Un-Balanced. I chose Switchcraft #3501 metal solder type jacks. I think these are the greatest things since the XLR connector. (Actually, they came before). You MUST learn to solder them correctly. After a couple of tries you can wire them up. If you can't get the hang of it, let your wife or girlfriend do it. Girls are better with soldering guns then guys. I bought a thousand of them ten years ago and I've got perhaps 250 left. They have raised the prices. Try Nemal Electronics in North Miami. http://www.nemal.com/ Ask for Danny the Wire boy, tell them I sent you. Danny does all NBC's High Def remote truck wiring. Now I know what one of you said about crimping low level signals etc. That's his opinion. Mine is, "you better solder it". The DOD did tests a while back. Number one was wire wrap, number two was crimping, and three was soldering. But they put the stuff on a shake table for a month. We're talking about a light duty FIXED installation. Besides, I've actually used #9451 for phono pickup between the arm and Phono preamp in a number of discos in the seventies and eighties. (before I knew any better) As it was a fixed installation unless the jock was dancing on the console, the signal was dead silent. Now, rub your thumb over the wire and it's curtains. Best Regards Pat Patrick G. Appleson, Pres. Pat Appleson Studios, Inc. 2359 Highway 70, SE Suite 102 Hickory, NC 28602 828 465-5500 or 954 587-7900 www.appleson.com email: appleson at gate.net From marc at stager.com Sat Nov 11 01:53:00 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:53:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas In-Reply-To: <200611102356.kAANu6gI025765@zxe.naks.com> References: <200611102356.kAANu6gI025765@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20061110194211.02d49990@stager.com> Nothing's better than unshielded pure silver - these have a capacitance of 10 pF/ft. (Belden is 17 - still very low) Contact me and I can get some bare wire and insulator and you can make your own. A gas-tight, properly crimped bond is excellent, as good as is a silver-soldered joint. with the wire tight on the connecter. (Yep, the crimping tool is expensive.) Canare RCA connectors are great, non-hyped and well made and a bargain at less than $3.00 apiece. http://marc.stager.com/silver/ Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems ================================== At 06:56 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote: >s b wrote: > > Hi all > > I was going to make some audiophile grade connectors (RCA) > > and want to know what kind of cable to use for the RCA jacks ? > >I personally assemble the cabling in my system. All RCA >cables are cut to exact length (reduced capacitance vs. >longer than necessary cables) and are bundled together >(dramatically reduces ground loops). > >For cable I use Belden 1506A (Belden 89259 is marginally >better, but is difficult to find and expensive -- hardly >worth the puny difference). Compared to RG-59, 1506A is >smaller diameter, very low capacitance and insulation is >Teflon (best dielectric material short of vacuum or air). >Unfortunately, it's not as cheap as RG-59 (that I consider >a poor choice for audio). Another advantage is that the >characteristic impedance is 75 ohms (this is immaterial >for audio, but very important for digital and video cables) >so I can build the same RCA cables for all applications. > >For connectors I use the Canare crimp connectors. About 3 >bucks apiece. I order boots of various colors and color >code each cable for the specific signal it carries (audio >is white and red for left and right, video is yellow, >digital is black, etc.). These connectors are the best >there is for digital and video (specified at 75 ohm for >up to 200MHZ!). > >BTW, connector gold plating is good for the only reason >that it retards corrosion. The Canare connectors are hard >metal plated that is better than gold for the application >but (unfortunately) more expensive than gold plating. > >Crimping is better than soldering for low level signals, >but the down side is that crimping equipment is fairly >expensive and doing a good crimp joint is a bit more >difficult than soldering. My approach is only good if you >have a large number of cables to make (there are over 65 >cables in my system and I have cabled several systems for >others, some of which are as large as mine). > >I believe that the cables I make are the best possible >and as sonically transparent as a cable can be. No, they >are not as cheap as Radio Shack cables, but, OTOH, cost >only a fraction of 'audiophile' cables that do not >perform as well. > >-- Ron From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 03:27:22 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:27:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Wiring RCA Plugs etc. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110203450.01a34888@gate.net> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061110203450.01a34888@gate.net> Message-ID: <1230F09F-5D0E-49EB-8799-7F7F16D8AE7D@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Payt, On Nov 10, 2006, at 8:05 PM, Pat Appleson wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Well, first we've all heard the saying, it's not polite to discuss > religion and politics in public. Let me add one other caveat. > "Speaker wire" and all wiring in general. Yes! > With that said, I can only tell you what I've done and what works > for me. Kermit's list if pretty good and the stuff I use is on it. > But, > he's got Belden #8451 listed as Mic cable. It's not. It's for med > to high level signals. It exhibits a very high level of > triboelectric noise and is just plain microphonic at mic levels. I > never use it for those purposes. You may want to try Belden 1192A > for microphone use. OOPS... my mistake. 8451 is my favorite "console wire" and I've never used it for mic cables except one -- a permanently wired podium mic that sat next to a desk lamp with a transformer in it that caused a hum problem for the customer. 8451 seemed an easy fix because of the foil shield. Because the mic wasn't moving around the triboelectric noise problem didn't come into play. I didn't know about the triboelectric noise of 8451 but it makes sense with that foil shield moving around. > It's a four conductor "star quad" configuration. Also, both Belden > #8451 and our favorite #9451 which has the shield bonded to the > jacket for very easy stripping, are for FIXED installations. > Perfect for "HiFi" sets that don't move. > > I've been using both #8451 & 9451 since 1972 and actually still > have some 1972 vintage in use in my studios. Today for new > wiring, if it's not Cat5e, and it's an analog signal we use > #9451. Back in the mid 1970's ABC Television Networks did some in > depth tests and choose Belden 9451 for their plant in NYC. > > Now for guys with RCA jacks (I got some too) I use #9451 and ground > the black and shield at both ends, red is high. I'm assuming that > this is for "hifi" hook up. In other words, cables under 20 Feet/ > Un-Balanced. I chose Switchcraft #3501 metal solder type jacks. Ah, yes! The Switchcraft 3501 is the only RCA plug I use. Practically indestructible. You're right, it is a bit of a hassle to learn to solder it without making a bodge job of the project. > I think these are the greatest things since the XLR connector. > (Actually, they came before). You MUST learn to solder them > correctly. > After a couple of tries you can wire them up. If you can't get the > hang of it, let your wife or girlfriend do it. > Girls are better with soldering guns then guys. > I bought a thousand of them ten years ago and I've got perhaps 250 > left. They have raised the prices. Try Nemal Electronics in North > Miami. http://www.nemal.com/ Ask for Danny the Wire boy, tell them > I sent you. Danny does all NBC's High Def remote truck wiring. > > Now I know what one of you said about crimping low level signals > etc. That's his opinion. Mine is, "you better solder it". The > DOD did tests a while back. Number one was wire wrap, number two > was crimping, and three was soldering. But they put the stuff on a > shake table for a month. We're talking about a light duty FIXED > installation. Besides, I've actually used #9451 for phono pickup > between the arm and Phono preamp in a number of discos in the > seventies and eighties. (before I knew any better) As it was a > fixed installation > unless the jock was dancing on the console, the signal was dead > silent. Now, rub your thumb over the wire and it's curtains. > I never tried wire wrap myself, always soldered things. I enjoy burning my fingertips and getting burn marks on my workbench as I solder, and you cannot burn yourself with wire wrap. (Not really, I'm joking. My cat does a better job soldering than I do, it seems.) Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 03:33:12 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:33:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20061110194211.02d49990@stager.com> References: <200611102356.kAANu6gI025765@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20061110194211.02d49990@stager.com> Message-ID: <9D896C60-A4DD-4D31-85B9-51D126ADD048@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Marc, On Nov 10, 2006, at 6:53 PM, Marc Stager wrote: > Nothing's better than unshielded pure silver - these have a > capacitance of > 10 pF/ft. (Belden is 17 - still very low) As an antenna? Nothing personal, but I'm not really fond of unshielded wires. No braiding or weaving pattern I've ever seen equals a true shield. Maybe I'm just unlucky but I have too many sources of interference. Now, if you have a shielded version I'm interested. Otherwise, I'll stick to the proven and unbeatable shunt shield cable technique until someone wises up and begins making true shunt shielded cable -- a hint to all those self-style "cable designers" infesting The Land Of Audio. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From rjkent at comcast.net Sat Nov 11 03:39:26 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:39:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects Message-ID: <001901c7053a$9aec06b0$0301a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Another couple of options for signal interconnects are Belding 9221 Miniature Coax (true 75 ohm, 30awg) for digital, and Belden 8451 shielded miniature audio paired cable (22awg) for analog. These are both very flexible cables, and the small diameters work well with Neutrik NYS352G gold plated RCAs if you add a couple of layers of heatshrink for strain relief. Ti Kan turned me on to these cables, and I have been very happy with them. If you like fire hose sized cables, these are not for you. But if you have 65 cables behind your system like Ron (and me), these smaller cables can make routing and fit a lot easier in a tight space. The shielding on the paired cable can be gounded at one end only for those who believe in directional cables. Ron, I've been meaning to ask your opinion on the difference between BNC and RCA connectors if you are going unbalanced? Some people have stated that the RCAs are more prone to signal reflection than BNC which I suppose could affect the quality of digital signals....what do you think? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Sat Nov 11 03:56:17 2006 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:56:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one (1000ZXL, CR-7A, ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? Message-ID: Hello, I am curious what and why your most revered deck is... 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I have a Dragon, > but, I need to get it serviced, am curious what everyone else thinks is > the best deck. > > Rick -- From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Nov 11 05:50:58 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:50:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one (1000ZXL, CR-7A, ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? Message-ID: Hi Rick! YES...,as I also own the same made during 1984...get serviced well, depends where you live an continue enjoying! it's my tip!!! Peace, ALEX! From: rich_121 at msn.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:56:17 -0800Subject: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one (1000ZXL, CR-7A, ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? Hello, I am curious what and why your most revered deck is... I have a Dragon, but, I need to get it serviced, am curious what everyone else thinks is the best deck. 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URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Nov 11 07:19:21 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:19:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one (1000ZXL, CR-7A, ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? Message-ID: It depends who you ask. Strictly speaking, it's the 1000ZXL, but's also at the top of the list for the least practical to own. Dragon is complex but excellent, CR-7 very pure sounding. ZX-9 superb for the person who wants to do all the manual calibrations him/herself. 682ZX is excellent and tough to boot. 700ZXL and ZXE if operational - hard to beat. MH >>> rich_121 at msn.com 11/11/2006 4:56:17 AM >>> Hello, I am curious what and why your most revered deck is... I have a Dragon, but, I need to get it serviced, am curious what everyone else thinks is the best deck. Rick The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 07:36:07 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:36:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 In-Reply-To: <003101c7054f$e195bab0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: <003101c7054f$e195bab0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: Hi Dennis, On Nov 10, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Dennis Orr wrote: > I want to publicly thank Jerry for "donating" this nice unit to me. > > And now a question - everything I see online calls this a "500 Dual > Tracer". The one Jerry sent me does not have the "Dual Tracer" > wording anywhere on the unit. The Dual tracer badge fell off. My 500 has the badge. > In all other ways it appears to be the same, except it does not > have the calibration adjustment screw on the back. Remove the placard with the serial number ... the calibration adjustment screw is hidden underneath. > > Any ideas? > > Dennis > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 07:37:53 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:37:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects In-Reply-To: <001901c7053a$9aec06b0$0301a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <001901c7053a$9aec06b0$0301a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <588A36AC-2CF2-4CC6-93EC-04B96048852B@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Robert, On Nov 10, 2006, at 8:39 PM, wrote: > Some people have stated that the RCAs are more prone to signal > reflection than BNC which I suppose could affect the quality of > digital signals....what do you think? Ab-so-lutely correct. This is one reason why the highest quality A/D/ A convertors are fitted with BNcs instead of RCAs, and why oscilloscopes are fitted with BNCs. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 07:42:42 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:42:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one (1000ZXL, CR-7A, ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5204BA3E-7944-4343-9DFD-59D957CB5A33@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Rick, On Nov 10, 2006, at 8:56 PM, RICHARD FIne wrote: > Hello, > I am curious what and why your most revered deck is... I have a > Dragon, but, I need to get it serviced, am curious what everyone > else thinks is the best deck. Easy choice. A Wollensak 2551AV because they sound so awful I'd never have to worry about getting good sound. No, I'm lying. Actually, for me, the ultimate cassette deck would be a 1000ZXL. Why? The sound of the 1000ZXL is so outstanding, so detailed and so superlative in every aspect that I think it's as close to perfection as anyone has come. The 100ZXL takes an already fabulous recorder, the original 1000, and raises it to its ultimate manifestation. It's also the only cassette recorder I've ever heard than can equal many 15-ips reel-to-reels, making recordings indistinguishable from quite a few models of 15-ips reel-to-reel. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Nov 11 07:51:35 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:51:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 References: <003101c7054f$e195bab0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <00bf01c7055d$d454e7a0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Remove the placard with the serial number ... the calibration adjustment screw is hidden underneath. Kermit! Thanks so much, I never would have thought of that! Now my only problem is it doesn't record. Everything else works great, but when I try to record the meters don't register, and the recording light doesn't go on. The tape does advance, but nothing is recorded. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 07:56:57 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:56:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061108163546.03c801e0@ix.netcom.com> References: <20061107235823.48285.qmail@web80228.mail.yahoo.com> <4551DB99.20404@snet.net> <6043EB23-9CD6-4EB9-9849-3A0169AECEFB@woods-and-waters.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061108163546.03c801e0@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <2EFFF827-C60F-4D83-B4EF-01F6F4822FB4@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ben, On Nov 8, 2006, at 3:44 PM, Ben Torre wrote: > At 04:09 PM 11/8/06, you wrote: >>> Heads and electronics too. I've got one at work in pretty pitiful >>> shape. They are not a bad deck in terms of performance, but are >>> ridiculously constructed and near impossible to service. Best use >>> is to release built up anger as you throw it into the dumpster >>> with all your might! >> >> I'm ROTFL! Thanks for saving my sanity in advance, I'll pass on >> buying a Advent 201A. > > The 201A isn't perfect, but it is far from bad, If you have the > service manual, it is fairly easy to set up. Some things are a tad > awkward, but remember it was an early cassette deck. > > Wollensak later came out with the 4766. That used the same > transport, only with better electronics and TWO VU meters in a > wider form factor. > > The real claim to fame of the Wollensak transport was the fast > rewind time & the fact that it held azimuth well. It had a good- > sized motor in it too. Those transports could take a real beating, > and often did in the AV decks sold to schools. At one time I had a platoon of these green Wollensak 2500 series AV recorders. Reliable but awful sounding, I got quite accomplished at repairing them. I still have three that work but I no longer use them. > Is it a Nak? No. Is it a workhorse? Absolutely. I really appreciate the info. I had an opportunity to get a pristine Advent 201A for $49.00 UJSD but I'll pass it up. I can buy more cassette blanks to feed my Naks with the money! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 08:03:12 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:03:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 600 Mk 1 squeal In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061109083514.0083c4e0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061109083514.0083c4e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <11D38D78-BD01-4C95-A4C8-0E74BF5B10BC@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Hi Tech wrote: > The 600II was, for all intents, a brand new model. Nak put in a better > head, which eliminated the need for the IM supressor. They > redesigned the > head mounting hardware, put a cover on the cassette well, and added > bias > adjustment capability. All 600II have the aluminum idler in the > mechanism. I never knew that! I have both the 600 and 600-II and always wondered why Nakamachi removed the IM reduction circuit from the 600-II. My Scully 280 reel-to-reels had a similar circuit, but Scully had a different name for it. Noise balance, I think. Not very descriptive of the circuit. Notwithstanding the changes, I find the two machines (600 & 600-II) very nearly identical in sound, although the 600-II has superior treble response when the Dolby NR is used. I had always attributed that improvement to the 600-II's more comprehensive set of calibration adjustments, but now knowing the 600-II had better heads. I still wish Nakamichi had left the IM reduction circuit as a feature of the 600-II as I can only imagine how much better the deck may have been with its better heads! Ah well, I still thoroughly enjoy both my 600 and 600-II decks! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 08:12:14 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:12:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 In-Reply-To: <00bf01c7055d$d454e7a0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: <003101c7054f$e195bab0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <00bf01c7055d$d454e7a0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: Hi Dennis! On Nov 11, 2006, at 12:51 AM, Dennis Orr wrote: > Remove the placard with the serial number ... the calibration > adjustment screw is hidden underneath. > > Kermit! Thanks so much, I never would have thought of that! > > Now my only problem is it doesn't record. Everything else works > great, but when I try to record the meters don't register, and the > recording light doesn't go on. The tape does advance, but nothing > is recorded. > Oh drat! Firstly, can you measure whether it is generating bias current? As a quick-n-dirty test put in a tape with something recorded on it that you do mind having erased and place the 500 in RECord. Turn the levels all the way down. Does the 500 erase the tape? if yes, it is producing bias. Also, does the 500 record its own test signal? If it does, then it may be dirty internal connectors or switches. The REC lamp doesn't light? This makes me think that the record/play mode switch is very very oxidized (fancy word for dirty). Clean and exercise the switch. Also, I'd clean all the circuit board connectors, especially the Dolby PCB. The preceding advice is based on my experience with my 500. I'm betting Tom will have more suggestion. I'm hoping Tom will have more suggestions! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Nov 11 08:21:23 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:21:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 References: <003101c7054f$e195bab0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <00bf01c7055d$d454e7a0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <010a01c70561$fe0d9ca0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Thanks, I'll try some things tomorrow and report back. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 500 Hi Dennis! On Nov 11, 2006, at 12:51 AM, Dennis Orr wrote: Remove the placard with the serial number ... the calibration adjustment screw is hidden underneath. Kermit! Thanks so much, I never would have thought of that! Now my only problem is it doesn't record. Everything else works great, but when I try to record the meters don't register, and the recording light doesn't go on. The tape does advance, but nothing is recorded. Oh drat! Firstly, can you measure whether it is generating bias current? As a quick-n-dirty test put in a tape with something recorded on it that you do mind having erased and place the 500 in RECord. Turn the levels all the way down. Does the 500 erase the tape? if yes, it is producing bias. Also, does the 500 record its own test signal? If it does, then it may be dirty internal connectors or switches. The REC lamp doesn't light? This makes me think that the record/play mode switch is very very oxidized (fancy word for dirty). Clean and exercise the switch. Also, I'd clean all the circuit board connectors, especially the Dolby PCB. The preceding advice is based on my experience with my 500. I'm betting Tom will have more suggestion. I'm hoping Tom will have more suggestions! 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URL: From marc at stager.com Sat Nov 11 09:27:04 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:27:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: <200611110516.kAB5GBgo029823@zxe.naks.com> References: <200611110516.kAB5GBgo029823@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20061111025730.02dc3c00@stager.com> Kermit, I've sold hundreds of these cables all over the world, and I've gotten back maybe a dozen because they were in noisy RF situations. One guy even put a 2 meter pair inside his pickup truck - I had my doubts it would work so I was all set to take them back. To my surprise, they worked fine and he even sent me a complimentary note which is posted in the users' comments page of my website. If you have any doubts, I'll send you a pair to try for a month, no charge, and you tell me what you think. (No, you can't keep them unless you buy them). For mic or MC/MM phono cables I would definitely go with a shield, but a twisted pair generally works very well and passes signal more accurately and transparently than any shielded cable in a line level run. Best, Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- >From: Kermit Gray >On Nov 10, 2006, at 6:53 PM, Marc Stager wrote: > > > Nothing's better than unshielded pure silver - these have a > > capacitance of > > 10 pF/ft. (Belden is 17 - still very low) > >As an antenna? Nothing personal, but I'm not really fond of >unshielded wires. No braiding or weaving pattern I've ever seen >equals a true shield. Maybe I'm just unlucky but I have too many >sources of interference. Now, if you have a shielded version I'm >interested. Otherwise, I'll stick to the proven and unbeatable shunt >shield cable technique until someone wises up and begins making >true shunt shielded cable -- a hint to all those self-style "cable >designers" infesting The Land Of Audio. > >Kermit Gray >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to make your music better! From luis at peromarta.org Sat Nov 11 09:57:16 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:57:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20061111025730.02dc3c00@stager.com> References: <200611110516.kAB5GBgo029823@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20061111025730.02dc3c00@stager.com> Message-ID: <4555906C.1050709@peromarta.org> Hi Marc, Marc Stager escribió: > but a twisted pair generally works very well and passes signal more > accurately and transparently than any shielded cable in a line level run. > How can you measure that? Best rgds, LP. From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sat Nov 11 15:51:03 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:21:03 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] RCA Plug shootout - Interesting Message-ID: Hi All Here is an interesting read about RCA plugs ... http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0901/rcashootout.htm _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Nov 11 16:35:43 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:35:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects Message-ID: To all of you with "Cables" problems! Since 40 years, till today which I use "Commercial" interconnects, Today all my equipment minus my Dragon (The 1000ZXL supplied ones also twisted of course), are connected trough a Monster 1000i "TWISTED" amongst pairs, as i ONLY hear trough ONE Mono speaker, in my sole case since 1954 in our home the vintage & legendary JBL "Hartsfield" two way with 15" woofer...there I use a single One meter only Audioquest "Midnight+" model an a very thick speaker cable. amongst us...satisfies me extremely well. Peace, ALEX! > Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:27:04 -0500> From: marc at stager.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects> > Kermit, I've sold hundreds of these cables all over the world, and I've> gotten back maybe a dozen because they were in noisy RF situations.> One guy even put a 2 meter pair inside his pickup truck - I had my> doubts it would work so I was all set to take them back. To my surprise,> they worked fine and he even sent me a complimentary note which is> posted in the users' comments page of my website.> > If you have any doubts, I'll send you a pair to try for a month, no charge,> and you tell me what you think. (No, you can't keep them unless you buy> them). For mic or MC/MM phono cables I would definitely go with a shield,> but a twisted pair generally works very well and passes signal more> accurately and transparently than any shielded cable in a line level run.> > Best,> Marc Stager> ) ) ) ) ) )> Stager Sound Systems> http://marc.stager.com/> > -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-> > >From: Kermit Gray > >On Nov 10, 2006, at 6:53 PM, Marc Stager wrote:> >> > > Nothing's better than unshielded pure silver - these have a> > > capacitance of> > > 10 pF/ft. (Belden is 17 - still very low)> >> >As an antenna? Nothing personal, but I'm not really fond of> >unshielded wires. No braiding or weaving pattern I've ever seen> >equals a true shield. Maybe I'm just unlucky but I have too many> >sources of interference. Now, if you have a shielded version I'm> >interested. Otherwise, I'll stick to the proven and unbeatable shunt> >shield cable technique until someone wises up and begins making> >true shunt shielded cable -- a hint to all those self-style "cable> >designers" infesting The Land Of Audio.> >> >Kermit Gray> >KVG Laboratories> >Equipment to make your music better!> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1&loc=us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sat Nov 11 16:34:26 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:34:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects/connectors Message-ID: <4555ED82.5050608@caribsurf.com> This off-subject discussion can go on (and on!). For interconnects, try www.tnt-audio.com and for esoteric or audiophile wire and connectors try Michael Percy. Regards Paul C From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sat Nov 11 17:35:47 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:35:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4555FBE3.90603@whiteapple.u-net.com> Hello Alex What do you use to convert a stereo signal down to mono for your system. Regards. Doug Alex Cozac wrote: > To all of you with "Cables" problems! > > Since 40 years, till today which I use "Commercial" interconnects, > Today all my equipment minus my Dragon (The 1000ZXL supplied ones also > twisted of course), are connected trough a Monster 1000i "TWISTED" > amongst pairs, as i ONLY hear trough ONE Mono speaker, in my sole case > since 1954 in our home the vintage & legendary JBL "Hartsfield" two > way with 15" woofer...there I use a single One meter only Audioquest > "Midnight+" model an a very thick speaker cable. amongst > us...satisfies me extremely well. > > Peace, > > ALEX! From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 11 18:53:16 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:53:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: <4555906C.1050709@peromarta.org> References: <200611110516.kAB5GBgo029823@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20061111025730.02dc3c00@stager.com> <4555906C.1050709@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <45560E0C.4070300@rcn.com> Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi Marc, > > Marc Stager escribió: > >> but a twisted pair generally works very well and passes signal more >> accurately and transparently than any shielded cable in a line level run. >> > > How can you measure that? Oh, we know how to measure that. But, why would that be? -- Ron > > Best rgds, LP. > > From jamiep8 at msn.com Sat Nov 11 20:18:10 2006 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:18:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I see there are a lot of opinions and suggestions regarding interconnects. No one cable can satisfy everyone...I've tried many, and here's my two cents: The thinner the dialectric (the plastic coating), the better. Mainstream store brands that promise "better" sound, are only selling snake oil. If you can't audition the cable BEFORE you buy it, RUN out of the store and find a shop that will loan you a set for in-home testing before you decide to buy. I've found that RCA cables in 2 meter length sound better than the same cable in one meter length. Also, seperated cables (dual mono) sound better than a pair not separated. Also, spending more than, say, $125 per cable is a waste of money! You can build an entire set for your system for less than that, if you're so inclined. My best advice: Just enjoy the music-spending too much time picking out cable only makes you so cable-sensitive that you forget about why you are buying them in the first place! Or, you could try Chord brand cables. That's what I use. Happy cabling. Mike >From: Alex Cozac >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects >Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:35:43 +0000 > >To all of you with "Cables" problems! > >Since 40 years, till today which I use "Commercial" interconnects, Today >all my equipment minus my Dragon (The 1000ZXL supplied ones also twisted of >course), are connected trough a Monster 1000i "TWISTED" amongst pairs, as i >ONLY hear trough ONE Mono speaker, in my sole case since 1954 in our home >the vintage & legendary JBL "Hartsfield" two way with 15" woofer...there I >use a single One meter only Audioquest "Midnight+" model an a very thick >speaker cable. amongst us...satisfies me extremely well. > >Peace, >ALEX! > > > > > Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:27:04 -0500> From: marc at stager.com> To: >naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects> > Kermit, I've sold >hundreds of these cables all over the world, and I've> gotten back maybe a >dozen because they were in noisy RF situations.> One guy even put a 2 meter >pair inside his pickup truck - I had my> doubts it would work so I was all >set to take them back. To my surprise,> they worked fine and he even sent >me a complimentary note which is> posted in the users' comments page of my >website.> > If you have any doubts, I'll send you a pair to try for a >month, no charge,> and you tell me what you think. (No, you can't keep them >unless you buy> them). For mic or MC/MM phono cables I would definitely go >with a shield,> but a twisted pair generally works very well and passes >signal more> accurately and transparently than any shielded cable in a line >level run.> > Best,> Marc Stager> ) ) ) ) ) )> Stager Sound Systems> >http://marc.stager.com/> > >-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-> > > >From: Kermit Gray > >On Nov 10, 2006, at >6:53 PM, Marc Stager wrote:> >> > > Nothing's better than unshielded pure >silver - these have a> > > capacitance of> > > 10 pF/ft. (Belden is 17 - >still very low)> >> >As an antenna? Nothing personal, but I'm not really >fond of> >unshielded wires. No braiding or weaving pattern I've ever seen> > >equals a true shield. Maybe I'm just unlucky but I have too many> > >sources of interference. Now, if you have a shielded version I'm> > >interested. Otherwise, I'll stick to the proven and unbeatable shunt> > >shield cable technique until someone wises up and begins making> >true >shunt shielded cable -- a hint to all those self-style "cable> >designers" >infesting The Land Of Audio.> >> >Kermit Gray> >KVG Laboratories> > >Equipment to make your music better!> > >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces >http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1&loc=us >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Nov 11 20:58:57 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:58:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 In-Reply-To: <00bf01c7055d$d454e7a0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: <003101c7054f$e195bab0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061111135857.0083d5c0@earthlink.net> Someone took the deck out and failed to engage the flat spring with the record switch lever. tom brucker At 10:51 PM 11/10/06 -0800, Dennis Orr wrote: >>>> Remove the placard with the serial number ... the calibration adjustment screw is hidden underneath. Kermit! Thanks so much, I never would have thought of that! Now my only problem is it doesn't record. Everything else works great, but when I try to record the meters don't register, and the recording light doesn't go on. The tape does advance, but nothing is recorded. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Nov 11 22:12:57 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:12:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 References: <003101c7054f$e195bab0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <3.0.3.32.20061111135857.0083d5c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <038301c705d6$2a6c9d90$9e274446@a72400shuttle> > Someone took the deck out and failed to engage the flat spring with the > record switch lever. > tom brucker > So, how easy is that for a non-mechanically inclined person to fix? From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Nov 11 23:03:37 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:03:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Do you want a cassette loader/winder? Message-ID: <000501c705dd$40e529a0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi (Danish / European) NakTalkers, Per Meistrup Productions closes down their audio productions. Among the different stuff on the list he has a couple of TTL 107 cassette loaders, 125+ C0 cassettes and a pancake with BASF/ Emtec Ferro tape. The loaders - he says - only lack a standard valve / fitting to work. He also has the vacuum pump used to drive the cutters. "Bortgives" means that the things are given away for a specified donation to humanitarian work in Cambodia. To your knowledge 100,- DKK is around 17 dollars. http://www.meistrup.com/doc/tilbud.mv Best Regards, Per From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 23:36:14 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:36:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: <4555906C.1050709@peromarta.org> References: <200611110516.kAB5GBgo029823@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20061111025730.02dc3c00@stager.com> <4555906C.1050709@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Hi Luis, On Nov 11, 2006, at 2:57 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi Marc, > > Marc Stager escribió: > >> but a twisted pair generally works very well and passes signal more >> accurately and transparently than any shielded cable in a line >> level run. A shield does not affect accuracy in any way, other than its effect on capacitance and the interaction of capacitance and terminating impedance creating a low pass filter. > How can you measure that? A great question. Let me tell you how I measured this issue. Firstly, I generated a 50-microsecond sinusoidal pulse using a Tektronix AFG3000 Arbitrary Function Generator. The pulse was then amplified by a custom-made preamplifier to a level such that the peak- to-peak amplitude of the pulse measured 105 Volts AC into the load. Note that a peak measuring 105 volts lasting only 50 microseconds is a far more extreme peak that anything you're likely to encounter in a typical stereo setup. Far more extreme. Then, the cable being tested was connected to a Tektronix TDS1000 (with a connector adapter) and terminated by a 10,000 ohm resistor in parallel with a 5 picoFarad capacitor to represent the typical input impedance of most stereo amplifiers. Cables included some expensive unshielded twisted pair types, ribbon types, flat foil types; and several shielded types having braided overall shields and foil overall shields. one of my shunt shield assemblies made from Belden 9451 was among those tested. All the cables tested were 2-meter lengths. The pulse was then examined for distortion, amplitude loss (e.g. reduced voltage), ringing, and change of waveshape. The presence of any of these things would indicate that the cable was adversely affecting the pulse. The test was then repeated with the same pulse mixed with a 1,000 Hz square wave that had a 2.82 volt amplitude. NONE of the shielded cables tested, or unshielded cables tested, had any observable or measurable effect on the pulse. The degree of roundin g of rthe square wave that did occur was slight and correlted directly with the cable's capacitance; shielded cables showed no general trend toward greater rounding of the square wave than did unshielded cables. Suprisingly, some of the unshielded cables tested had quite high capacitance, and hence exhibited the greatest rounding of the square wave. After the two rounds of testing it was unambiguous and obvious that a shield did not degrade the sound in any way. If anyone has different objective test results (not "educated listening tests" or anecdotal evidence) i'd sincerely enjoy seeing the data. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 23:50:29 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:50:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20061111025730.02dc3c00@stager.com> References: <200611110516.kAB5GBgo029823@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20061111025730.02dc3c00@stager.com> Message-ID: <2B12BF9F-0444-474B-A37D-826A5D41CCEC@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Marc, On Nov 11, 2006, at 2:27 AM, Marc Stager wrote: > Kermit, I've sold hundreds of these cables all over the world, and > I've > gotten back maybe a dozen because they were in noisy RF situations. > One guy even put a 2 meter pair inside his pickup truck - I had my > doubts it would work so I was all set to take them back. To my > surprise, > they worked fine and he even sent me a complimentary note which is > posted in the users' comments page of my website. > > If you have any doubts, I'll send you a pair to try for a month, no > charge, > and you tell me what you think. (No, you can't keep them unless you > buy > them). For mic or MC/MM phono cables I would definitely go with a > shield, > but a twisted pair generally works very well and passes signal more > accurately and transparently than any shielded cable in a line > level run. > You're on. Have seconds thoughts about the offer though: I'm infamous for stringent testing and demanding requirements. I'll make it easy on the cables and connect them only to real audio gear and not one of my extreme "signal torture test" fixtures. I require any cable used in my system to keep intrusion at not more than -100 dBu. Given the fact that the terminating impedance of most of my home stereo gear is between 10,000 ohms and 50,000 ohms, I'm very, very, skeptical any unshielded cable will pass that requirement, even at only a 2-meter length. I've made unshielded twisted pair cables for myself over the years, even an exotic shunt shielded twisted quad cable I briefly contemplated marketing. None met the requirement. But I'll be happy to give your cables a try. Might be a pleasant surprise. Be warned though: I have some quite acute RFI and EMI problems in my setup, even at line levels. Of course, I'm sure you're aware that the effectiveness of a twisted pair to prevent intrusion in an unbalanced connection depends on the cable's length, the pitch of the twist, and the terminating impedance. I'm also sure you're aware that at impedances of 50 ohms and lower an overall shield is unneeded, even at microphone levels. That's why studios in the past had 20 ohm microphone inputs -- they didn't need shielded microphone cable, which was a prohibitively expensive product at one time. PLEASE do not take the above message as condescending, "better than you", or preachy --- it's not the spirit in which the message was written. > Best, > Marc Stager > ) ) ) ) ) ) > Stager Sound Systems > http://marc.stager.com/ > > -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: > -:-:- > >> From: Kermit Gray >> On Nov 10, 2006, at 6:53 PM, Marc Stager wrote: >> >> > Nothing's better than unshielded pure silver - these have a >> > capacitance of >> > 10 pF/ft. (Belden is 17 - still very low) >> >> As an antenna? Nothing personal, but I'm not really fond of >> unshielded wires. No braiding or weaving pattern I've ever seen >> equals a true shield. Maybe I'm just unlucky but I have too many >> sources of interference. Now, if you have a shielded version I'm >> interested. Otherwise, I'll stick to the proven and unbeatable shunt >> shield cable technique until someone wises up and begins making >> true shunt shielded cable -- a hint to all those self-style "cable >> designers" infesting The Land Of Audio. >> Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 23:57:51 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:57:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1466BFEE-5604-4035-BF4B-C1C992A443B6@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Michael, On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Michael Pisano wrote: > I see there are a lot of opinions and suggestions regarding > interconnects. No one cable can satisfy everyone...I've tried many, > and here's my two cents: The thinner the dialectric (the plastic > coating), the better. Mainstream store brands that promise "better" > sound, are only selling snake oil. If you can't audition the cable > BEFORE you buy it, RUN out of the store and find a shop that will > loan you a set for in-home testing before you decide to buy. I've > found that RCA cables in 2 meter length sound better than the same > cable in one meter length. Also, seperated cables (dual mono) sound > better than a pair not separated. Also, spending more than, say, > $125 per cable is a waste of money! You can build an entire set for > your system for less than that, if you're so inclined. My best > advice: Just enjoy the music-spending too much time picking out > cable only makes you so cable-sensitive that you forget about why > you are buying them in the first place! Or, you could try Chord > brand cables. That's what I use. Happy cabling. Mike > My bottom line: the cable should have no sound at all. Once somebody starts telling me how their cable "sounds," I'm immediately disinterested because either the claims are empty verbage (or bogus claims) or the cable truly does impart a sound, in which case I do not want it. Period. So, I'd suggest that everyone spend their money on more Nakamichi cassette decks, more blank tapes or more records, not on expensive wires, regardless of the brand. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 11 23:59:36 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:59:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 In-Reply-To: <038301c705d6$2a6c9d90$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: <003101c7054f$e195bab0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <3.0.3.32.20061111135857.0083d5c0@earthlink.net> <038301c705d6$2a6c9d90$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <6976F86E-FA95-4884-ABFF-F7FC84B789CE@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Dennis, On Nov 11, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Dennis Orr wrote: >> Someone took the deck out and failed to engage the flat spring >> with the >> record switch lever. >> tom brucker > > So, how easy is that for a non-mechanically inclined person to fix? Not hard. Follow the service manual, slip the flat spring Tom's referring to back under the record switch lever, and reassemble. No biggie, just a few screws to undo and redo. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Nov 12 00:06:11 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:06:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RCA Plug shootout - Interesting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Soumi, On Nov 11, 2006, at 8:51 AM, s b wrote: > Hi All > > Here is an interesting read about RCA plugs ... > http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0901/rcashootout.htm > I'm disappointed because I would have liked to have seen some sort of controlled-and-defined comparison, like holding force and resistance for each connector compared directly to each other in a table. This read like a cut-and-paste of the different companies' adverts. I'll stick with Switchcraft 3501 and Neutrik ProFi RCA plugs. Cheap, reliable, low resistance, and seemingly good holding force (although I've not measured it. Yet.) Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Sun Nov 12 00:19:36 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:19:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects In-Reply-To: <588A36AC-2CF2-4CC6-93EC-04B96048852B@woods-and-waters.com> References: <001901c7053a$9aec06b0$0301a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> <588A36AC-2CF2-4CC6-93EC-04B96048852B@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <7F9C0BB4-38AF-49FD-BE85-24E64A206ED1@comcast.net> On http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm Brien From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Nov 12 00:37:01 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:37:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: <1466BFEE-5604-4035-BF4B-C1C992A443B6@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <000201c705ea$4acec720$7300a8c0@Shaun> Kermit, But surely these assertions are made in comparison with what was being used presently and therefore may 'sound' different to the one being tested for comparison. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: 11 November 2006 22:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects Hi Michael, On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Michael Pisano wrote: > I see there are a lot of opinions and suggestions regarding > interconnects. No one cable can satisfy everyone...I've tried many, > and here's my two cents: The thinner the dialectric (the plastic > coating), the better. Mainstream store brands that promise "better" > sound, are only selling snake oil. If you can't audition the cable > BEFORE you buy it, RUN out of the store and find a shop that will > loan you a set for in-home testing before you decide to buy. I've > found that RCA cables in 2 meter length sound better than the same > cable in one meter length. Also, seperated cables (dual mono) sound > better than a pair not separated. Also, spending more than, say, > $125 per cable is a waste of money! You can build an entire set for > your system for less than that, if you're so inclined. My best > advice: Just enjoy the music-spending too much time picking out > cable only makes you so cable-sensitive that you forget about why > you are buying them in the first place! Or, you could try Chord > brand cables. That's what I use. Happy cabling. Mike > My bottom line: the cable should have no sound at all. Once somebody starts telling me how their cable "sounds," I'm immediately disinterested because either the claims are empty verbage (or bogus claims) or the cable truly does impart a sound, in which case I do not want it. Period. So, I'd suggest that everyone spend their money on more Nakamichi cassette decks, more blank tapes or more records, not on expensive wires, regardless of the brand. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1862 (20061110) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From luis at peromarta.org Sun Nov 12 01:23:45 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:23:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45566991.4010605@peromarta.org> Michael Pisano escribió: > I've found that RCA cables in > 2 meter length sound better than the same cable in one meter length. At twice the lenght, twice the capacitance, twice the resistance. If you like the effect, try longer lenghts. You will add more "filtering" to your system. rgds, LP. From luis at peromarta.org Sun Nov 12 01:28:11 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:28:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: References: <200611110516.kAB5GBgo029823@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20061111025730.02dc3c00@stager.com> <4555906C.1050709@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <45566A9B.40200@peromarta.org> Yep. system identification is usually done observing the system's response to a pulse. This usually represent - if done properly - the system's transfer function in the time "s" domain. Your post, spot on. rgds, LP. Kermit Gray escribió: > Hi Luis, > > On Nov 11, 2006, at 2:57 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> Hi Marc, >> >> Marc Stager escribió: >> >>> but a twisted pair generally works very well and passes signal more >>> accurately and transparently than any shielded cable in a line level >>> run. > > A shield does not affect accuracy in any way, other than its effect on > capacitance and the interaction of capacitance and terminating impedance > creating a low pass filter. > >> How can you measure that? > > A great question. Let me tell you how I measured this issue. > > Firstly, I generated a 50-microsecond sinusoidal pulse using a Tektronix > AFG3000 Arbitrary Function Generator. The pulse was then amplified by a > custom-made preamplifier to a level such that the peak-to-peak amplitude > of the pulse measured 105 Volts AC into the load. Note that a peak > measuring 105 volts lasting only 50 microseconds is a far more extreme > peak that anything you're likely to encounter in a typical stereo setup. > Far more extreme. > > Then, the cable being tested was connected to a Tektronix TDS1000 (with > a connector adapter) and terminated by a 10,000 ohm resistor in parallel > with a 5 picoFarad capacitor to represent the typical input impedance of > most stereo amplifiers. Cables included some expensive unshielded > twisted pair types, ribbon types, flat foil types; and several shielded > types having braided overall shields and foil overall shields. one of my > shunt shield assemblies made from Belden 9451 was among those tested. > All the cables tested were 2-meter lengths. > > The pulse was then examined for distortion, amplitude loss (e.g. reduced > voltage), ringing, and change of waveshape. The presence of any of these > things would indicate that the cable was adversely affecting the pulse. > > The test was then repeated with the same pulse mixed with a 1,000 Hz > square wave that had a 2.82 volt amplitude. > > NONE of the shielded cables tested, or unshielded cables tested, had any > observable or measurable effect on the pulse. The degree of roundin g of > rthe square wave that did occur was slight and correlted directly with > the cable's capacitance; shielded cables showed no general trend toward > greater rounding of the square wave than did unshielded cables. > Suprisingly, some of the unshielded cables tested had quite high > capacitance, and hence exhibited the greatest rounding of the square wave. > > After the two rounds of testing it was unambiguous and obvious that a > shield did not degrade the sound in any way. > > If anyone has different objective test results (not "educated listening > tests" or anecdotal evidence) i'd sincerely enjoy seeing the data. > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sun Nov 12 02:49:27 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:49:27 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RCA and Banana plugs Message-ID: It is great to see a 'plug' for Australian innovation in RCA plugs ­ the Aussie 'Bullet Plug'. See http://www.eichmanncables.com/ >Hi All >Here is an interesting read about RCA plugs ... >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0901/rcashootout.htm They also have unique banana plugs and an anti-resonance topper for speakers. David From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Nov 12 03:48:14 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:48:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one (1000ZXL, CR-7A, ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? Message-ID: Like probably everyone else that has a working 1000zxl, I'm going to vote for the 1000zxl. However, I can't really compare it with anything on that liast other than the Dragon at the moment, and for sound, it wins. I think the 1000zxl does have a better sound than the Dragon. As for other reasons, especially in this day of getting what tapes are available, the ability of the 1000zxl's ability to squeak the maximum possible out of whatever tape is thrown at it is valuable—in the old days I'd have just always bought one brand for at least each type. I do still feel the Dragon may have an edge if you are only playing tapes made on other machines, although in practice, sonically if the tape was made on a decently aligned and of decent quality, the 1000zxl still seems to win.-kby From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Nov 12 06:14:59 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:14:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: <000201c705ea$4acec720$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <000201c705ea$4acec720$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: Hi Shaun, On Nov 11, 2006, at 5:37 PM, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > But surely these assertions are made in comparison with what was > being used > presently and therefore may 'sound' different to the one being > tested for > comparison. > Good point. Thank you, Shaun, In those instances where they are made in comparison with what was being used presently and therefore may 'sound' different to the one being tested for comparison., I'll agree with you. I was thinking of the prevalence of ads that read along the lines of "this cable dazzles the ear with its liquid midrange and shimmering highs, while articulating powerful lows, revealing the inner voices in a presentation that is more polite than XXX cables..." blah blah blah. > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Kermit Gray > Sent: 11 November 2006 22:58 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects > > > Hi Michael, > > On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Michael Pisano wrote: > >> I see there are a lot of opinions and suggestions regarding >> interconnects. No one cable can satisfy everyone...I've tried many, >> and here's my two cents: The thinner the dialectric (the plastic >> coating), the better. Mainstream store brands that promise "better" >> sound, are only selling snake oil. If you can't audition the cable >> BEFORE you buy it, RUN out of the store and find a shop that will >> loan you a set for in-home testing before you decide to buy. I've >> found that RCA cables in 2 meter length sound better than the same >> cable in one meter length. Also, seperated cables (dual mono) sound >> better than a pair not separated. Also, spending more than, say, >> $125 per cable is a waste of money! You can build an entire set for >> your system for less than that, if you're so inclined. My best >> advice: Just enjoy the music-spending too much time picking out >> cable only makes you so cable-sensitive that you forget about why >> you are buying them in the first place! Or, you could try Chord >> brand cables. That's what I use. Happy cabling. Mike >> > > My bottom line: the cable should have no sound at all. Once somebody > starts telling me how their cable "sounds," I'm immediately > disinterested because either the claims are empty verbage (or bogus > claims) or the cable truly does impart a sound, in which case I do > not want it. Period. > > So, I'd suggest that everyone spend their money on more Nakamichi > cassette decks, more blank tapes or more records, not on expensive > wires, regardless of the brand. > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > __________ NOD32 1862 (20061110) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http:// > www.eset.com > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Nov 12 06:20:52 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:20:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Interconnects In-Reply-To: <7F9C0BB4-38AF-49FD-BE85-24E64A206ED1@comcast.net> References: <001901c7053a$9aec06b0$0301a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> <588A36AC-2CF2-4CC6-93EC-04B96048852B@woods-and-waters.com> <7F9C0BB4-38AF-49FD-BE85-24E64A206ED1@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Brien, On Nov 11, 2006, at 5:19 PM, Brien wrote: > > On http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm Absolutely brilliant! Wish I'd found that myself! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sun Nov 12 13:03:18 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:33:18 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Transport Transplant Message-ID: <001d01c70652$8c25a230$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi I been wondering if it makes sense to change the transport of my MR2 to a diffused resonance transport (Dual capstan) from an old 480 (the 2 head specs) ... are they compatible ? Best Soumi From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Nov 12 15:09:19 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:09:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Transport Transplant In-Reply-To: <001d01c70652$8c25a230$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <001d01c70652$8c25a230$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <45572B0F.4000303@rcn.com> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi > I been wondering if it makes sense to change the transport of my MR2 to a > diffused resonance transport (Dual capstan) from an old 480 (the 2 head > specs) ... are they compatible ? > > Best > Soumi These transports are different designs and made by different manufacturers. The mod may be doable (I am not even sure about that), but by no means smooth sailing. If you insist on a dual capstan transport and can get one from an MR-1 (cheaply, very cheaply or for nothing), the mod may be an interesting exercise, though still fraught with problems (I think I do have an MR-1 transport lying around somewhere). Better yet, just get a good MR-1 and you will have not only the dual capstan feature, but also a far better capstan motor, not to mention off the tape monitoring capability. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Nov 12 15:50:39 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:50:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: <45566A9B.40200@peromarta.org> References: <200611110516.kAB5GBgo029823@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20061111025730.02dc3c00@stager.com> <4555906C.1050709@peromarta.org> <45566A9B.40200@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <455734BF.9080002@rcn.com> Luis Peromarta wrote: > Yep. system identification is usually done observing the system's > response to a pulse. This usually represent - if done properly - the > system's transfer function in the time "s" domain. Just to clarify: you are talking about system characterization (not identification) and the test signal is an impulse, not a pulse. An impulse, of course, is a pulse of infinite amplitude and zero duration (exists only mathematically, not physically). It can be approximated by a square pulse (not sinusoidal). Tests are valid if the pulse duration is so short that its uppermost frequency content is far above the passband of the device under investigation. Personally, I think it is far easier to test interconnects in the time domain. This has been done and it was clearly shown that differences between 'good' and 'poor' interconnects were minimal, differences between two 'good' interconnects weren't even observable. As to unshielded interconnects - these are a bad idea. Their performance may range between OK for large signals in very clean environments to unacceptable for small signals in average to noisy ones. The difference of 6pf/ft (compared to a 'good' coax) is immaterial for cable lengths used in the home. Silver offers zero advantage, except for high profits for a seller. Separating the two leads of an interconnect is a bad idea. The further apart they are, the more will the cable pick up him. The advantage offered by very thin insulation depends on the material used. For Teflon, any reasonable thickness will be better than, say, PVC, regardless of the PVC thickness. There are esoteric materials that are marginally better than Teflon. The whole dielectric issue is of theoretical importance. I am not convinced the differences are actually audible, even though they are measurable. My view is that going for the theoretically best is reasonable when applied in a very expensive high end system, where one wishes to eliminate even very small aberrations and cost is of secondary importance. Even then, for the DIY guy, cables should not be very expensive -- certainly, not approaching what the audiophile public gets charged for high end interconnects. -- Ron > > Your post, spot on. > > rgds, LP. > > Kermit Gray escribió: >> Hi Luis, >> >> On Nov 11, 2006, at 2:57 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> >>> Hi Marc, >>> >>> Marc Stager escribió: >>> >>>> but a twisted pair generally works very well and passes signal more >>>> accurately and transparently than any shielded cable in a line level >>>> run. >> >> A shield does not affect accuracy in any way, other than its effect on >> capacitance and the interaction of capacitance and terminating >> impedance creating a low pass filter. >> >>> How can you measure that? >> >> A great question. Let me tell you how I measured this issue. >> >> Firstly, I generated a 50-microsecond sinusoidal pulse using a >> Tektronix AFG3000 Arbitrary Function Generator. The pulse was then >> amplified by a custom-made preamplifier to a level such that the >> peak-to-peak amplitude of the pulse measured 105 Volts AC into the >> load. Note that a peak measuring 105 volts lasting only 50 >> microseconds is a far more extreme peak that anything you're likely to >> encounter in a typical stereo setup. Far more extreme. >> >> Then, the cable being tested was connected to a Tektronix TDS1000 >> (with a connector adapter) and terminated by a 10,000 ohm resistor in >> parallel with a 5 picoFarad capacitor to represent the typical input >> impedance of most stereo amplifiers. Cables included some expensive >> unshielded twisted pair types, ribbon types, flat foil types; and >> several shielded types having braided overall shields and foil overall >> shields. one of my shunt shield assemblies made from Belden 9451 was >> among those tested. All the cables tested were 2-meter lengths. >> >> The pulse was then examined for distortion, amplitude loss (e.g. >> reduced voltage), ringing, and change of waveshape. The presence of >> any of these things would indicate that the cable was adversely >> affecting the pulse. >> >> The test was then repeated with the same pulse mixed with a 1,000 Hz >> square wave that had a 2.82 volt amplitude. >> >> NONE of the shielded cables tested, or unshielded cables tested, had >> any observable or measurable effect on the pulse. The degree of >> roundin g of rthe square wave that did occur was slight and correlted >> directly with the cable's capacitance; shielded cables showed no >> general trend toward greater rounding of the square wave than did >> unshielded cables. Suprisingly, some of the unshielded cables tested >> had quite high capacitance, and hence exhibited the greatest rounding >> of the square wave. >> >> After the two rounds of testing it was unambiguous and obvious that a >> shield did not degrade the sound in any way. >> >> If anyone has different objective test results (not "educated >> listening tests" or anecdotal evidence) i'd sincerely enjoy seeing the >> data. >> >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! From luis at peromarta.org Sun Nov 12 19:03:39 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:03:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: <455734BF.9080002@rcn.com> References: <200611110516.kAB5GBgo029823@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20061111025730.02dc3c00@stager.com> <4555906C.1050709@peromarta.org> <45566A9B.40200@peromarta.org> <455734BF.9080002@rcn.com> Message-ID: <455761FB.4020501@peromarta.org> Ron escribió: > > > Just to clarify: you are talking about system characterization > (not identification) and the test signal is an impulse, not a > pulse. > Correct as usual. I try my best with english, but sometimes I don't find the exact term. It's "Identificaión de Sistemas" and "Pulso" in spanish. :( rgds, LP. From luis at peromarta.org Sun Nov 12 19:05:42 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:05:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: <455734BF.9080002@rcn.com> References: <200611110516.kAB5GBgo029823@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20061111025730.02dc3c00@stager.com> <4555906C.1050709@peromarta.org> <45566A9B.40200@peromarta.org> <455734BF.9080002@rcn.com> Message-ID: <45576276.1010009@peromarta.org> Ron escribió: > > Separating the two leads of an interconnect is a bad idea. The > further apart they are, the more will the cable pick up him. > You refer to both leads of a single interconnect. Just to clarify, nothing to do with having L wire and R wire close or not close together. rgds, LP. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Nov 12 21:35:28 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:35:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interconnects In-Reply-To: <45576276.1010009@peromarta.org> References: <200611110516.kAB5GBgo029823@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20061111025730.02dc3c00@stager.com> <4555906C.1050709@peromarta.org> <45566A9B.40200@peromarta.org> <455734BF.9080002@rcn.com> <45576276.1010009@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <45578590.9040901@rcn.com> Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > Ron escribió: > >> >> Separating the two leads of an interconnect is a bad idea. The >> further apart they are, the more will the cable pick up him. >> > > You refer to both leads of a single interconnect. Just to clarify, > nothing to do with having L wire and R wire close or not close together. Well, it applies to both cases of two leads of an interconnect and two or more separate interconnects, because in both cases there are two ground paths that form a loop. While the situation is quite different in the two cases, in both hum can be picked up. This is why, in my own system cabling, interconnects are dressed in a single harness, as much as is possible. The purpose is to minimize loop area. I am sometimes asked to help solve a hum problem. In one or two cases, all that it took was redressing the cabling so that it was bundled nicely... -- Ron From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Nov 12 23:56:11 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:56:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Transport Transplant In-Reply-To: <001d01c70652$8c25a230$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <001d01c70652$8c25a230$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <63481E94-9900-4E9B-9593-2F4D7AC25264@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Soumi, On Nov 12, 2006, at 6:03 AM, wrote: > Hi > I been wondering if it makes sense to change the transport of my > MR2 to a > diffused resonance transport (Dual capstan) from an old 480 (the 2 > head > specs) ... are they compatible ? > I don't think they are. They control systems differ, I believe, and i'd be surprised if the mechanical fit would be the same. It's a great idea, though; hopefully i'm wrong on this one. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Nov 13 00:08:46 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:08:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A versus Dragon. Message-ID: <8E98A175-C757-4681-BE7D-94571A30FD8C@woods-and-waters.com> Recently I saw an Advent 201A cassette for sale on eBay. In the description the seller stated that the Dolby circuit was so good that it "beats the Dolby in the Nakamichi Dragon I own." Poppycock. Have you noticed how often on eBay that someone selling an old cassette deck states that it "beats a Dragon"? Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Nov 13 00:44:44 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:44:44 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 sale Message-ID: Here is a ZX-9 just sold on Ebay Australia for AU$1,086.10. (US$832.80) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160047243618&ssPageNam e=ADME:L:DBS:AU:11 David From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Mon Nov 13 01:32:07 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:32:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A versus Dragon. References: <8E98A175-C757-4681-BE7D-94571A30FD8C@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <090901c706bb$26809340$9e274446@a72400shuttle> > Have you noticed how often on eBay that someone selling an old cassette > deck states that it "beats a Dragon"? > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > Have you noticed how many eBay ads for non-Dragon NAK's mentiont he word "Dragon" in the ad header? From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Nov 13 05:56:15 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:56:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A versus Dragon. Message-ID: <33362974.1163393775800.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Dennis, I cannot tell you how many times I've reported people for Misleading Titles. It is a violation of eBay's sellers rule. HOWEVER, eBay has never, ever pulled an ad or made the seller remove the misleading title. I've written to sellers and ask why they do that like sell a Marantz received but have Dragon in the title. Because it increases a 'search' depth. The only time that I've seen eBaay remove a listing was when Microsoft got into the act and requested (okay, pressured) eBay into removing the listings for software with a China or East Asia origin. ---- Dennis Orr wrote: > > Have you noticed how often on eBay that someone selling an old cassette > > deck states that it "beats a Dragon"? > > > > Kermit Gray > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > Have you noticed how many eBay ads for non-Dragon NAK's mentiont he word > "Dragon" in the ad header? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From salim at danareksa.com Mon Nov 13 05:41:45 2006 From: salim at danareksa.com (Salim S. Marzuki) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:41:45 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one (1000ZXL, CR-7A, ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As others have said, zxl is the best sounding nak. However if I were forced to keep just one, it's a toss up between relatively troublefree zx9 and uber versatile dragon. Kind of tired to baby zxl and cranky sankyo all the time. Most likely I'd keep the dragon though. cheers, sm ________________________________ From: RICHARD FIne [mailto:rich_121 at msn.com] Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:56 AM To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one (1000ZXL, CR-7A,ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? Hello, I am curious what and why your most revered deck is... I have a Dragon, but, I need to get it serviced, am curious what everyone else thinks is the best deck. 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URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Mon Nov 13 06:31:32 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:31:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A versus Dragon. References: <33362974.1163393775800.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <003801c706e4$fa623a00$9e274446@a72400shuttle> I'm just new to eBay, but it seems they are good at CREATING rules, just not ENFORCING them. I guess it is to their advantage to have as many listings sell at the highest prices possible, which means they really don't want to pull anything. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Nov 13 06:55:21 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:55:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A versus Dragon. In-Reply-To: <090901c706bb$26809340$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: <8E98A175-C757-4681-BE7D-94571A30FD8C@woods-and-waters.com> <090901c706bb$26809340$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <13534F55-B07C-40EB-9132-609257E1B032@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Dennis, On Nov 12, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Dennis Orr wrote: >> Have you noticed how often on eBay that someone selling an old >> cassette deck states that it "beats a Dragon"? >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! >> > > Have you noticed how many eBay ads for non-Dragon NAK's mentiont he > word "Dragon" in the ad header? Worse ... have you noticed how many eBay ads list a non-Nak cassette deck as "Pioneer CT-F500 not Nakamichi, Teac, Technics, Sony" I really dislike these guys who list an item this way. Very common are guys selling some cheesy off-brand microphone and list is as "XXX vocal mic not Shure, EV, Beyer, AKG ( and every other mic company you can think of). While on the subject of misleading eBay listings please note that several sellers list Beyerdynamic M160, M260 and M130 ribbon mics as "rare." These are being manufactured and sold new through many retail outlets. I always report these guys who list NEW mics as "rare." While not the most numerous model, tens and tens of thousands are out there with the numbers increasing by tens of thousands each year. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Nov 13 06:57:48 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:57:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one (1000ZXL, CR-7A, ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Salim, Actually, in a way, although my fantasy is to own a 1000ZXL the "one Nakamichi cassette" I must have and cannot do without is the 600 or 600-II. The main reason is their reliability and excellent sound, plus I just thoroughly enjoy the look-and-feel of these unique recorders. I have built up quite a good reserve of dead 600 machines to cannibalize to keep my One Most Favorite recorder running. On Nov 12, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Salim S. Marzuki wrote: > > As others have said, zxl is the best sounding nak. However if I > were forced to keep just one, it's a toss up between relatively > troublefree zx9 and uber versatile dragon. Kind of tired to baby > zxl and cranky sankyo all the time. > > Most likely I'd keep the dragon though. > > cheers, > sm > > > From: RICHARD FIne [mailto:rich_121 at msn.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:56 AM > To: naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one > (1000ZXL, CR-7A,ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? > > Hello, > I am curious what and why your most revered deck is... I have a > Dragon, but, I need to get it serviced, am curious what everyone > else thinks is the best deck. > > Rick > Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Nov 13 07:14:55 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:14:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A versus Dragon. Message-ID: <08FD2378-0876-4233-8DCD-F16B5B938DC2@alumni.caltech.edu> Actually, the most blatant thing I saw a few weeks ago was some one (or group) selling some China clone (may have actually been good)--but the title of the auction SAID they were all Marantz 2600 receivers (which typically go for around $2500-$4000). The funny thing was the pictures didn't even match what they were claiming it was--not the pictures below, but the thumbnail you see in the listing as well! And, of course there were about 10 of these listings all at once. Heck, the equipment may have even been decent--but it certianly didn't have the gee-whiz features that buyers of Marantz 2600s are usually looking for (like the 'scope).-kby From soumitra at soumitrab.com Mon Nov 13 10:38:51 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:08:51 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Sound Difference Message-ID: <001301c70707$8a43c090$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi all I recently acquired a Nak DR2 and been enjoying it a lot as well. However, while testing the sounds from my MR2 and DR2 using pre-recorded tapes, i find substantial differences. The MR2 is brighter in the mid-range OR the DR2 is slightly muted in the mid-range DR2 upper range sounds sweeter than the MR2 ... Overall, the DR2 plays much better .... the MR2 seems to have a certain "rumble" about it. Are these differences usually so perceptible or is there a defect somewhere ? Both Naks are cleaned, lubricated and demagged Best Soumi From luis at peromarta.org Mon Nov 13 15:18:23 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:18:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sound Difference In-Reply-To: <001301c70707$8a43c090$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <001301c70707$8a43c090$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <45587EAF.6050004@peromarta.org> Might be slight azimuth missalignment between them. soumitra at soumitrab.com escribió: > Hi all > I recently acquired a Nak DR2 and been enjoying it a lot as well. > However, while testing the sounds from my MR2 and DR2 using pre-recorded > tapes, i find substantial differences. > The MR2 is brighter in the mid-range OR the DR2 is slightly muted in the > mid-range > DR2 upper range sounds sweeter than the MR2 ... > Overall, the DR2 plays much better .... the MR2 seems to have a certain > "rumble" about it. > > Are these differences usually so perceptible or is there a defect somewhere > ? > Both Naks are cleaned, lubricated and demagged > > Best > Soumi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Mon Nov 13 15:19:32 2006 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (johnn380 at tx.rr.com) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 6:19:32 -0800 Subject: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one (1000ZXL, CR-7A, ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? Message-ID: <15579258.1163427572456.JavaMail.root@web36> I am partial to a ZX-7 for recording and either a 680zx or 682zx for play back. If I could only have one I would have to choose the 680zx...It just sounds right to my ear. I turned 60 this year, flew helicopters in Viet Nam, and in general am losing my audio range; but the 680zx and 682zx sound the best to me. I prefer the 680zx because of the meters. John Nelson > > From: RICHARD FIne [mailto:rich_121 at msn.com] > > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:56 AM > > To: naktalk > > Subject: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one > > (1000ZXL, CR-7A,ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? > > > > Hello, > > I am curious what and why your most revered deck is... I have a > > Dragon, but, I need to get it serviced, am curious what everyone > > else thinks is the best deck. > > > > Rick > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 13 15:37:44 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:37:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A versus Dragon. In-Reply-To: <8E98A175-C757-4681-BE7D-94571A30FD8C@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061113083744.0083ed20@earthlink.net> Maybe discrete Dolby circuits sound better? If so, then the 500, 600, 700, and 1000 beat the Advent. Besides, Advent pinchrollers are no longer availible for reasonable prices. tom brucker At 05:08 PM 11/12/06 -0600, you wrote: >Recently I saw an Advent 201A cassette for sale on eBay. In the >description the seller stated that the Dolby circuit was so good that >it "beats the Dolby in the Nakamichi Dragon I own." > >Poppycock. > >Have you noticed how often on eBay that someone selling an old >cassette deck states that it "beats a Dragon"? > >Kermit Gray >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to make your music better! > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 13 15:43:38 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:43:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sound Difference In-Reply-To: <001301c70707$8a43c090$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061113084338.0083fa90@earthlink.net> Soumi, In the MR2, remove the cover and look near the rear panel for a screw through the pc board that grounds to the rear panel. Remove this screw and file the edge so it is bright and reinstall. Screw it really tight and solder it to the PCB. I think that will fix the rumbles. tom brucker At 03:08 PM 11/13/06 +0530, you wrote: >Hi all >I recently acquired a Nak DR2 and been enjoying it a lot as well. >However, while testing the sounds from my MR2 and DR2 using pre-recorded >tapes, i find substantial differences. >The MR2 is brighter in the mid-range OR the DR2 is slightly muted in the >mid-range >DR2 upper range sounds sweeter than the MR2 ... >Overall, the DR2 plays much better .... the MR2 seems to have a certain >"rumble" about it. > >Are these differences usually so perceptible or is there a defect somewhere >? >Both Naks are cleaned, lubricated and demagged > >Best >Soumi > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Nov 13 16:30:14 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 07:30:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Advent 201A versus Dragon. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061113083744.0083ed20@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20061113153014.7351.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If the play level calibration in Dragon is off due to ageing - Dolby mistrack can happen. That can sound worse. If somebody says Dragon sound inferior to some 2 head deck , it is definitely a Dragon requiring tune up. Well tuned Dragon can beat many decks ( may be excepting 1000ZXL and 700ZXL provides these are also correctly tuned). I have seen NAAC doing wonderful thing to play back sound Kannan Hi Tech wrote: Maybe discrete Dolby circuits sound better? If so, then the 500, 600, 700, and 1000 beat the Advent. Besides, Advent pinchrollers are no longer availible for reasonable prices. tom brucker At 05:08 PM 11/12/06 -0600, you wrote: >Recently I saw an Advent 201A cassette for sale on eBay. In the >description the seller stated that the Dolby circuit was so good that >it "beats the Dolby in the Nakamichi Dragon I own." > >Poppycock. > >Have you noticed how often on eBay that someone selling an old >cassette deck states that it "beats a Dragon"? > >Kermit Gray >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to make your music better! > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 13 16:58:32 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:58:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] If you could only have 1 deck, which one (1000ZXL, CR-7A, ZX-9 or Dragon) and why? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22711.212.78.164.66.1163433512.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> By far my #1 the 1000zxl, like said here before it really takes whatever is possible with any tape and records it. To me the recording proces is the most important, a well recorded tape will play fine even on lesser decks. Next to the 1000zxl can be any of the 'other' Naks... Wouter > Hi Salim, > > Actually, in a way, although my fantasy is to own a 1000ZXL the "one > Nakamichi cassette" I must have and cannot do without is the 600 or > 600-II. The main reason is their reliability and excellent sound, > plus I just thoroughly enjoy the look-and-feel of these unique > recorders. I have built up quite a good reserve of dead 600 machines > to cannibalize to keep my One Most Favorite recorder running. > > On Nov 12, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Salim S. Marzuki wrote: > >> >> As others have said, zxl is the best sounding nak. However if I >> were forced to keep just one, it's a toss up between relatively >> troublefree zx9 and uber versatile dragon. Kind of tired to baby >> zxl and cranky sankyo all the time. >> From kh1 at khherrmann.de Mon Nov 13 21:25:28 2006 From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:25:28 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 gear upgrades available anywhere? Message-ID: <20061113212527.4697462a.kh1@khherrmann.de> Hi, I've a RX505 at a former licensed NAK service repair place in Munich, Germany and the technician said he still has the replacement idlers but a gear upgrade would be a more permanent fix. Are there still gear upgrades for RX505 around? The repair shop in UK of which I forgot the name maybe? Is it necessary? I had it running for years without a real idler problem. Was that because the RX505 has a larger one compared to BX300 and the lower RX numbers? K.-H. From N4229K at aol.com Mon Nov 13 21:46:39 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:46:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] RX505 gear upgrades available anywhere? Message-ID: Not worth it. Stay with the tire Dean In a message dated 11/13/2006 3:35:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, kh1 at khherrmann.de writes: Hi, I've a RX505 at a former licensed NAK service repair place in Munich, Germany and the technician said he still has the replacement idlers but a gear upgrade would be a more permanent fix. Are there still gear upgrades for RX505 around? The repair shop in UK of which I forgot the name maybe? Is it necessary? I had it running for years without a real idler problem. Was that because the RX505 has a larger one compared to BX300 and the lower RX numbers? K.-H. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Mon Nov 13 21:49:48 2006 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:49:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Deal of the week Message-ID: Found a pristine Nak 600 at a garage sale this weekend for $10. It was only missing one of the little caps over the adjustment holes. I got almost no tape residue when I cleaned the pinch roller, and the meter lights and meters work, and it plays pretty well. A couple of questions tho, that may be in a service manual: It seemed a bit 'soft' on the high end, so I expect that the azimuth needs a bit of fine tuning. As you're looking at the head from the front, is it the screw on the right, or the screw on the left? I have the "Sound of Nakamichi" tape that I got with my 582 when it was new that I use a reference source, and tune it by ear with that. Second, the transport buttons sometimes 'stick' partway down, instead of returning to the full upright and locked position. Given the minimal use on this deck, is this more likely to be cured with some well-placed air blasts to clear the dust, or some sort of lube on the appropriate lube points? So, any pointers to a service manual on-line? Thanks in advance. John From pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au Mon Nov 13 21:58:32 2006 From: pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:58:32 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 gear upgrades available anywhere? Message-ID: <20061113205832.56501.qmail@web60713.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Karl. The RX505 had the real Nak transport and not the Sankyo transport. The Nak version did not need a gear upgrade and never had this option because of the large reel idler. Cheers, Tom. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Nov 13 21:58:20 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:58:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 gear upgrades available anywhere? Message-ID: <2C75B749-A2C4-4D8D-BE56-D53396150091@alumni.caltech.edu> 505 has classic mechanism, no? I didn't think a gear upgrade even existed or was necessary for those.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Nov 13 22:00:13 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:00:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 gear upgrades available anywhere? Message-ID: <887CD7F0-B8E8-45FF-AB9E-D938611B2CA1@alumni.caltech.edu> OK, so Tom confirms what I thought. That makes me suspect any shop that would thus suggest that as not knowing what they're talking about, their former status notwithstanding.-kby From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Nov 13 22:01:33 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:01:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 gear upgrades available anywhere? In-Reply-To: <20061113212527.4697462a.kh1@khherrmann.de> Message-ID: <20061113210133.41121.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is no gear drive for Old classic nakamichi transport. However the idler drive works for years without any issues. replacing requires quite a skill for old transports however kannan Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: Hi, I've a RX505 at a former licensed NAK service repair place in Munich, Germany and the technician said he still has the replacement idlers but a gear upgrade would be a more permanent fix. Are there still gear upgrades for RX505 around? The repair shop in UK of which I forgot the name maybe? Is it necessary? I had it running for years without a real idler problem. Was that because the RX505 has a larger one compared to BX300 and the lower RX numbers? K.-H. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 22:07:39 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:07:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Deal of the week - OOPS Message-ID: <6bddc1110611131307l76eb6790mc75c9943228ebf6e@mail.gmail.com> I meant to send that attachment to John directly, not to spam the entire list. My apologies. -Tim On 11/13/06, John Berger wrote: > > Found a pristine Nak 600 at a garage sale this weekend for $10. It was > only missing one of the little caps over the adjustment holes. I got > almost no tape residue when I cleaned the pinch roller, and the meter > lights and meters work, and it plays pretty well. > > A couple of questions tho, that may be in a service manual: > > It seemed a bit 'soft' on the high end, so I expect that the azimuth needs > a bit of fine tuning. As you're looking at the head from the front, is it > the screw on the right, or the screw on the left? I have the "Sound of > Nakamichi" tape that I got with my 582 when it was new that I use a > reference source, and tune it by ear with that. > > Second, the transport buttons sometimes 'stick' partway down, instead of > returning to the full upright and locked position. Given the minimal use > on this deck, is this more likely to be cured with some well-placed air > blasts to clear the dust, or some sort of lube on the appropriate lube > points? > > So, any pointers to a service manual on-line? Thanks in advance. > > John > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Mon Nov 13 22:12:05 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:42:05 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 gear upgrades available anywhere? Message-ID: <001501c70768$60da2210$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi Kannan What about the newer transports ? Are gear upgrades available for them ? If so whats their cost like ? Best Soumi From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Nov 13 23:15:09 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:15:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 gear upgrades available anywhere? In-Reply-To: <001501c70768$60da2210$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <20061113221509.80597.qmail@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Costs over (parts alone) 130$ - labor can be as much as 100$ + Kannan PS: I have a spare CR 7A gear upgrade parts full set - please contact off Naktalk Kannan soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Hi Kannan What about the newer transports ? Are gear upgrades available for them ? If so whats their cost like ? Best Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 14 01:32:36 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:32:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-5 In-Reply-To: <44AE4FF6.1060702@rcn.com> References: <44AE4FF6.1060702@rcn.com> Message-ID: <45590EA4.3020407@rcn.com> For sale: A CR-5 deck. (The 115V/230V version, with a voltage selection switch on the rear.) As you know, the CR-5 is the same as the CR-7 less the automatic calibration and real time counter. Sonically, this CR-5 sounds as good as my CR-7. All functions work well, all transport functions operate smoothly, etc. Cosmetically, it's in fair to middling condition. One knob is missing the outer cover and the door is missing the outer cover (these are purely cosmetic). The top cover paint is marred, but there are no dings or scratches. I've owned this CR-5 for several months now and all I've done with it is copy a dozen or so cassettes. If you want pictures, just let me know. Asking $200 plus actual shipping cost (22 lb. from ZIP 01702, as shown on the UPS web site). -- Ron From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 14 01:39:00 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:39:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Deal of the week In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061114003900.75448.qmail@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think we'll all have to go garage sale-ing in Johns town! Bob John Berger wrote: Found a pristine Nak 600 at a garage sale this weekend for $10. It was only missing one of the little caps over the adjustment holes. I got almost no tape residue when I cleaned the pinch roller, and the meter lights and meters work, and it plays pretty well. A couple of questions tho, that may be in a service manual: It seemed a bit 'soft' on the high end, so I expect that the azimuth needs a bit of fine tuning. As you're looking at the head from the front, is it the screw on the right, or the screw on the left? I have the "Sound of Nakamichi" tape that I got with my 582 when it was new that I use a reference source, and tune it by ear with that. Second, the transport buttons sometimes 'stick' partway down, instead of returning to the full upright and locked position. Given the minimal use on this deck, is this more likely to be cured with some well-placed air blasts to clear the dust, or some sort of lube on the appropriate lube points? So, any pointers to a service manual on-line? Thanks in advance. John ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From salim at danareksa.com Tue Nov 14 10:21:51 2006 From: salim at danareksa.com (Salim S. Marzuki) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:21:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sound Difference In-Reply-To: <001301c70707$8a43c090$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: Hi Suomi, isn't DR2 a three head deck ? sm -----Original Message----- From: soumitra at soumitrab.com [mailto:soumitra at soumitrab.com] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Sound Difference Hi all I recently acquired a Nak DR2 and been enjoying it a lot as well. However, while testing the sounds from my MR2 and DR2 using pre-recorded tapes, i find substantial differences. The MR2 is brighter in the mid-range OR the DR2 is slightly muted in the mid-range DR2 upper range sounds sweeter than the MR2 ... Overall, the DR2 plays much better .... the MR2 seems to have a certain "rumble" about it. Are these differences usually so perceptible or is there a defect somewhere ? 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From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 14 15:45:57 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:45:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-5 In-Reply-To: <45590EA4.3020407@rcn.com> References: <44AE4FF6.1060702@rcn.com> <44AE4FF6.1060702@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061114084557.007a9580@earthlink.net> Are the knob and door cover not availible from ESL? Given that we are a worldwide group, it might be wise to state what country you are in. I see from the zip code you are in eastern US. Overseas shipments are better sent DHL. tom brucker At 07:32 PM 11/13/06 -0500, you wrote: > > >For sale: A CR-5 deck. (The 115V/230V version, with a >voltage selection switch on the rear.) > >As you know, the CR-5 is the same as the CR-7 less the >automatic calibration and real time counter. Sonically, >this CR-5 sounds as good as my CR-7. All functions work >well, all transport functions operate smoothly, etc. >Cosmetically, it's in fair to middling condition. One >knob is missing the outer cover and the door is missing >the outer cover (these are purely cosmetic). The top cover >paint is marred, but there are no dings or scratches. I've >owned this CR-5 for several months now and all I've done >with it is copy a dozen or so cassettes. > >If you want pictures, just let me know. Asking $200 plus >actual shipping cost (22 lb. from ZIP 01702, as shown on >the UPS web site). > >-- Ron >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From fsclaol at yahoo.com Tue Nov 14 18:06:55 2006 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:06:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas / Thank You Kermit Message-ID: <283113.27592.qm@web36614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kermit, Thank you for the audio / PDF link and the article on DIY cabling and other assorted technical information. Sincerely, Fred in CT.... --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Tue Nov 14 18:57:34 2006 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:57:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] How Does The DR-10 Stack Up? Message-ID: <425591.70873.qm@web36610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just curious as to the comments on Nakamichi's newer decks...... How does the DR-10 stack up against: 600, 1000, Dragon, RX-505 (RIP)? Fred in CT..... --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Tue Nov 14 19:07:24 2006 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:07:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Message-ID: <20061114180724.28611.qmail@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can remove this from life support (officially abandon). Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired remote will kill this deck? Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck the cassette in and play. No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? Fred in CT --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Nov 14 19:21:32 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:21:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Message-ID: <59F59D05-AAEA-44B9-895A-C57A25538273@alumni.caltech.edu> I'm certainly not the expert, but it actually doesn't sound like it would be that difficult to fix. it will take someone that has patience and knows what they are doing to troubleshoot it, though.-kby From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Nov 14 20:24:41 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:24:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? In-Reply-To: <20061114180724.28611.qmail@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061114192441.41304.qmail@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rx 505 is a very nice deck and can be restored - easier than many other Naks that I know. Where in the US this deck is located at present? Kannan "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can remove this from life support (officially abandon). Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired remote will kill this deck? Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck the cassette in and play. No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? Fred in CT --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 14 21:08:28 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:08:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi CR-5 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061114084557.007a9580@earthlink.net> References: <44AE4FF6.1060702@rcn.com> <44AE4FF6.1060702@rcn.com> <3.0.3.32.20061114084557.007a9580@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <455A223C.6070508@rcn.com> Thanks, Tom. I sell the deck as is. The lack of these parts is purely cosmetic and not even serious. If the buyer wishes, they could of course, get the parts. I've ween the door cover (actually, a whole door) on ebay for not very much money. You are absolutely right about mentioning my location. I'm in the Metro West area, Mass, USA. - Ron Hi Tech wrote: > Are the knob and door cover not availible from ESL? Given that we are a > worldwide group, it might be wise to state what country you are in. I see > from the zip code you are in eastern US. Overseas shipments are better > sent DHL. > > tom brucker > > At 07:32 PM 11/13/06 -0500, you wrote: >> >> For sale: A CR-5 deck. (The 115V/230V version, with a >> voltage selection switch on the rear.) >> >> As you know, the CR-5 is the same as the CR-7 less the >> automatic calibration and real time counter. Sonically, >> this CR-5 sounds as good as my CR-7. All functions work >> well, all transport functions operate smoothly, etc. >> Cosmetically, it's in fair to middling condition. One >> knob is missing the outer cover and the door is missing >> the outer cover (these are purely cosmetic). The top cover >> paint is marred, but there are no dings or scratches. I've >> owned this CR-5 for several months now and all I've done >> with it is copy a dozen or so cassettes. >> >> If you want pictures, just let me know. Asking $200 plus >> actual shipping cost (22 lb. from ZIP 01702, as shown on >> the UPS web site). >> >> -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 14 21:13:01 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:13:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? In-Reply-To: <59F59D05-AAEA-44B9-895A-C57A25538273@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <59F59D05-AAEA-44B9-895A-C57A25538273@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <455A234D.9030404@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: > I'm certainly not the expert, but it actually doesn't sound like it > would be that difficult to fix. it > will take someone that has patience and knows what they are doing to > troubleshoot it, > though.-kby Yep, that correct for just about any repair job. The symptoms suggest something in the control section fried. It's not a difficult circuit to troubleshoot or repair. -- Ron From kh1 at khherrmann.de Tue Nov 14 21:46:28 2006 From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:46:28 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 gear upgrades available anywhere? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061114214628.1f3d41b8.kh1@khherrmann.de> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:46:39 EST N4229K at aol.com wrote: > Not worth it. Stay with the tire ok -- thanks (Kannan as well). K.-H. From r1seals at yahoo.com Tue Nov 14 22:01:20 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:01:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Connectors ... need ideas / Thank You Kermit In-Reply-To: <283113.27592.qm@web36614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061114210120.9083.qmail@web50005.mail.yahoo.com> Yea I appreciate it to thanks Kermit. --- "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: > > Kermit, > > Thank you for the audio / PDF link and the article > on DIY cabling and other assorted technical > information. > > Sincerely, > > Fred in CT.... > > > --------------------------------- > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! > Small Business.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From wjw at warwick.net Tue Nov 14 23:43:25 2006 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:43:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How Does The DR-10 Stack Up? References: <425591.70873.qm@web36610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <455A468D.17681B0A@warwick.net> Better ears than mine will have to make the sound comparisons (also don't have that many other Naks to compare it to), but I've had one for about 5 years now that I bought new at about 2/3 the retail price when the last of the Nak line could still be found at retail outlets. I use it mostly as a recording deck, as part of an archiving project I'm doing, and I've recorded hundreds of tapes on it. It records and plays beautifully- no mechanical problems whatsoever. "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: > > Just curious as to the comments on Nakamichi's newer > decks...... > > How does the DR-10 stack up against: > > 600, 1000, Dragon, RX-505 (RIP)? > > Fred in CT..... > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Nov 15 03:20:48 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:20:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? In-Reply-To: <20061114180724.28611.qmail@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061114180724.28611.qmail@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <455A7980.6050905@snet.net> Just for the sake of covering the obvious, was the timer switch in "play" mode. The symptoms you describe are exactly what would happen in such a case. A friend of mine once gave me a deck that he no longer wanted because it would go into record the moment you put in a tape. He seemed pretty stunned when I pointed out the switch, although it did take me a moment to put it together... actually had to plug it in and see for myself. Ed (also in CT) Fred S.C. Li wrote: > > I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, > however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can > remove this from life support (officially abandon). > > Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired > remote will kill this deck? > > Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play > when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, I > could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive came > out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck the > cassette in and play. > > No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at > the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? > > Fred in CT > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From salim at danareksa.com Wed Nov 15 09:48:18 2006 From: salim at danareksa.com (Salim S. Marzuki) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:48:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? In-Reply-To: <20061114192441.41304.qmail@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Kannan, how are you ? I have a smaller scale of problem: 505 functions well but when the deck got warm it simply won't play anymore and some of the control led glow dimly. Should be in power supply area but haven't got time to troubleshoot. Really appreciate any hint if you have experienced similar problem (on other nak). Sorry to hijack your thread Fred, also sorry I can't help with your 505 other than saying yes there's hope for almost any Nak. =) regards, salim sm ________________________________ From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Rx 505 is a very nice deck and can be restored - easier than many other Naks that I know. Where in the US this deck is located at present? Kannan "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can remove this from life support (officially abandon). Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired remote will kill this deck? Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck the cassette in and play. No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? Fred in CT ________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! 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O:-) Having said that, i might fail a blind test if both decks are properly aligned, and playback is level matched. cheers, salim sm -----Original Message----- From: Luis Peromarta [mailto:luis at peromarta.org] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:18 PM To: soumitra at soumitrab.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Difference Might be slight azimuth missalignment between them. soumitra at soumitrab.com escribió: > Hi all > I recently acquired a Nak DR2 and been enjoying it a lot as well. > However, while testing the sounds from my MR2 and DR2 using > pre-recorded tapes, i find substantial differences. > The MR2 is brighter in the mid-range OR the DR2 is slightly muted in > the mid-range > DR2 upper range sounds sweeter than the MR2 ... > Overall, the DR2 plays much better .... the MR2 seems to have a > certain "rumble" about it. > > Are these differences usually so perceptible or is there a defect > somewhere ? > Both Naks are cleaned, lubricated and demagged > > Best > Soumi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL (Disclaimer) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not disseminate, distribute, or copy this communication, by e-mail or otherwise, or take any action in reliance on it. Instead, please notify us immediately by return e-mail (including the original message in your reply) to helpdesk at danareksa.com, and then delete and discard all copies of the e-mail. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Nov 15 13:29:23 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:29:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <189076.79277.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Salim only Nak trouble brings us together! Keep the top cover out of the way and check whether this happens ! I have not seen anything like this - but only way is to trace the fault by the old way, touch every component and find out whether anything is heating up unusally. This could not be be a power supply problem. Kannan Ofcourse Ihad a dead powersupply on a latest Dragon . I had to relace one small signal transistor in thepower supply area with higher voltage one as the original (designed) transistor was failing every time when i replaced ! Kannan "Salim S. Marzuki" wrote: Hi Kannan, how are you ? I have a smaller scale of problem: 505 functions well but when the deck got warm it simply won't play anymore and some of the control led glow dimly. Should be in power supply area but haven't got time to troubleshoot. Really appreciate any hint if you have experienced similar problem (on other nak). Sorry to hijack your thread Fred, also sorry I can't help with your 505 other than saying yes there's hope for almost any Nak. =) regards, salim sm --------------------------------- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Rx 505 is a very nice deck and can be restored - easier than many other Naks that I know. Where in the US this deck is located at present? Kannan "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can remove this from life support (officially abandon). Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired remote will kill this deck? Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck the cassette in and play. No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? Fred in CT --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 15 13:48:41 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:48:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks and storage In-Reply-To: <007201c70893$50e13660$0201a8c0@lan> References: <007201c70893$50e13660$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <455B0CA9.9030101@rcn.com> Martin Short wrote: > A quick query: Due to the fact that I have been a naughty boy and have > been transferred to Sydney, Australia, all my Naks are having to go into > storage; likely for six months. Is there any special precautions I > could/should take, other than good strong, dry boxing?.. to ensure a > satsifactory revival from their enforced hibernation.. > > Thanks in advance for any advice, > > Cheers, > > Martin > I would open up the decks and take all belts off their pulley. Lube thoroughly (which is what I do for normal routine maintenance every couple of years, anyway). Pack securely and include a packet of silica gel right next to the deck. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 15 13:54:14 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:54:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455B0DF6.7030908@rcn.com> Hey, Salim, long time no read... Your problem could easily be a bad power supply or regulator. Should be easy to locate. just measure voltages into and around the control section. Have a good one, -- Ron Salim S. Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Kannan, how are you ? > > I have a smaller scale of problem: 505 functions well but when the deck > got warm it simply won't play anymore and some of the control led glow > dimly. > > Should be in power supply area but haven't got time to troubleshoot. > Really appreciate any hint if you have experienced similar problem (on > other nak). > > Sorry to hijack your thread Fred, also sorry I can't help with your 505 > other than saying yes there's hope for almost any Nak. =) > > regards, > salim sm > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:25 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? > > Rx 505 is a very nice deck and can be restored - easier than many other > Naks that I know. Where in the US this deck is located at present? > Kannan > > */"Fred S.C. Li" /* wrote: > > > I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, > however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can > remove this from life support (officially abandon). > > Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired > remote will kill this deck? > > Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play > when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, > I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive > came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck > the cassette in and play. > > No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at > the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? > > Fred in CT > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 15 15:15:20 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:15:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? In-Reply-To: <20061114180724.28611.qmail@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061115141520.94327.qmail@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred, Where is it being repaired? Bob "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can remove this from life support (officially abandon). Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired remote will kill this deck? Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck the cassette in and play. No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? Fred in CT --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Nov 15 15:25:41 2006 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:25:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Hope? For RX - 505 RIP Message-ID: <413482.37281.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone for words of encouragment. Ed, thanks for the heads up on the switch, I wish it was that easy. The funny part was that I spied the Nak remote accessory at the audio shop at discount, so I thought why not? Not only would the RX flip the cassette at the end of the tape but I could also record, dub etc, remotely with a combination of IR remotes and the Nak remote........ All was well on the Left Coast (CA) however, after moving Right (CT) and digging out installing the wired controller on the RX everything was working well. It also happened to be winter, a low humidity winter heat night and I had been shuffling on high synthetic materials, rug, couch, etc ........ I think the RX was playing when I touched the remote and pow......I think I heard it though the speakers. Everything seemed OK as the RX still played, however, when I tried to stop it, it kept playing....... So I unplugged to "reboot" but it would just keep playing and the first thing I thought of was to switch the "start-up" switch rapidly back and forth to "make things right" to no avail. Put the RX away and rely on the 600 to play all my cassettes. Fast forward a few years "the kids are older and won't/trained not to experiement on the audio equipment" and I want to "revive" the RX and take it to a certified Nak center here in CT. >From early and ongoing conversations with the tech, blown discrete components were identified and replaced, however, would cause other failures in other components, etc, etc. It sounded like each subsequent repair would cause failure in others and was a vicious downward death spiral. In the meantime, there were CDs, DATs, MDs etc etc.....replacing the cassette format and so my RX sits somewhere in CT in pieces I think. If anyone has experienced this failure before based on the additional information above, I welcome any comments, ideas or last rites......... Thanks In Advance Fred --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Degrees for working adults in as fast as 1 year. Bachelors, Masters, Associates. Top schools -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From salimarz at telkom.net Wed Nov 15 17:25:22 2006 From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:25:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? References: <189076.79277.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c708d2$a687f1f0$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Hi again Kannan, LOL ... to maintain our relationship I've prepared another nak problem : CA7 remote can turn the volume down but not up ... haha ... these Naks are soo adorable ... high end stuff but somehow don't react very well to my aura. =) Well I tried very hard to avoid the 'A' word here ... however can't resist to tell how my ancient Akai 325d sat there on shelves all the time ... every 3 years or so I plugged it in and always work right away, albeit with so so sound quality. Do you still keep your original first love Dragon from the old days ? Thanks for your help ! I'll open up the cover real soon. cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Hi Salim only Nak trouble brings us together! Keep the top cover out of the way and check whether this happens ! I have not seen anything like this - but only way is to trace the fault by the old way, touch every component and find out whether anything is heating up unusally. This could not be be a power supply problem. Kannan Ofcourse Ihad a dead powersupply on a latest Dragon . I had to relace one small signal transistor in thepower supply area with higher voltage one as the original (designed) transistor was failing every time when i replaced ! Kannan "Salim S. Marzuki" wrote: Hi Kannan, how are you ? I have a smaller scale of problem: 505 functions well but when the deck got warm it simply won't play anymore and some of the control led glow dimly. Should be in power supply area but haven't got time to troubleshoot. Really appreciate any hint if you have experienced similar problem (on other nak). Sorry to hijack your thread Fred, also sorry I can't help with your 505 other than saying yes there's hope for almost any Nak. =) regards, salim sm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Rx 505 is a very nice deck and can be restored - easier than many other Naks that I know. Where in the US this deck is located at present? Kannan "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can remove this from life support (officially abandon). Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired remote will kill this deck? Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck the cassette in and play. No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? Fred in CT -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! 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URL: From salimarz at telkom.net Wed Nov 15 17:25:22 2006 From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:25:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? References: <189076.79277.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901c708d6$4b9862d0$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Hi again Kannan, LOL ... to maintain our relationship I've prepared another nak problem : CA7 remote can turn the volume down but not up ... haha ... these Naks are soo adorable ... high end stuff but somehow don't react very well to my aura. =) Well I tried very hard to avoid the 'A' word here ... however can't resist to tell how my ancient Akai 325d sat there on shelves all the time ... every 3 years or so I plugged it in and always work right away, albeit with so so sound quality. Do you still keep your original first love Dragon from the old days ? Thanks for your help ! I'll open up the cover real soon. cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Hi Salim only Nak trouble brings us together! Keep the top cover out of the way and check whether this happens ! I have not seen anything like this - but only way is to trace the fault by the old way, touch every component and find out whether anything is heating up unusally. This could not be be a power supply problem. Kannan Ofcourse Ihad a dead powersupply on a latest Dragon . I had to relace one small signal transistor in thepower supply area with higher voltage one as the original (designed) transistor was failing every time when i replaced ! Kannan "Salim S. Marzuki" wrote: Hi Kannan, how are you ? I have a smaller scale of problem: 505 functions well but when the deck got warm it simply won't play anymore and some of the control led glow dimly. Should be in power supply area but haven't got time to troubleshoot. Really appreciate any hint if you have experienced similar problem (on other nak). Sorry to hijack your thread Fred, also sorry I can't help with your 505 other than saying yes there's hope for almost any Nak. =) regards, salim sm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Rx 505 is a very nice deck and can be restored - easier than many other Naks that I know. Where in the US this deck is located at present? Kannan "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can remove this from life support (officially abandon). Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired remote will kill this deck? Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck the cassette in and play. No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? Fred in CT -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Nov 15 18:09:59 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:09:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? - Salim great to hear from you In-Reply-To: <002801c708d2$a687f1f0$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Message-ID: <258026.79475.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI Salim After seeing many problems ( which are very strange ) in CR2/ CR3 and BX300, I find old Naks are better built with better components. Fortunately Dragon servicing ( both mechanical and Electronics ) is not simple. So my interest in Dragon still remains as I have been tackling many different repair issues relating to Dragon. Since I am able to work on them and maintain successfully, I am able to enjoy the Dragons much more than many other machines. Next To Dragon CR7 is my favourite as it is a well designed machine with wrong transport and bad Manual Play azimuth adjustment facility! When it comes to owning one machine - Dragon will be my answer ( as I cannot manually adjust anyting except that B#### *** Azimuth in CR7 it is only the second choice) Kannan PS : I will like to keep an 1000 ZXL temporarily as I do not want a monster in my living room more out of curiosity- better would be to visit any Naktalker with zxl for just listen to Salim Marz wrote: Hi again Kannan, LOL ... to maintain our relationship I've prepared another nak problem : CA7 remote can turn the volume down but not up ... haha ... these Naks are soo adorable ... high end stuff but somehow don't react very well to my aura. =) Well I tried very hard to avoid the 'A' word here ... however can't resist to tell how my ancient Akai 325d sat there on shelves all the time ... every 3 years or so I plugged it in and always work right away, albeit with so so sound quality. Do you still keep your original first love Dragon from the old days ? Thanks for your help ! I'll open up the cover real soon. cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Hi Salim only Nak trouble brings us together! Keep the top cover out of the way and check whether this happens ! I have not seen anything like this - but only way is to trace the fault by the old way, touch every component and find out whether anything is heating up unusally. This could not be be a power supply problem. Kannan Ofcourse Ihad a dead powersupply on a latest Dragon . I had to relace one small signal transistor in thepower supply area with higher voltage one as the original (designed) transistor was failing every time when i replaced ! Kannan "Salim S. Marzuki" wrote: Hi Kannan, how are you ? I have a smaller scale of problem: 505 functions well but when the deck got warm it simply won't play anymore and some of the control led glow dimly. Should be in power supply area but haven't got time to troubleshoot. Really appreciate any hint if you have experienced similar problem (on other nak). Sorry to hijack your thread Fred, also sorry I can't help with your 505 other than saying yes there's hope for almost any Nak. =) regards, salim sm --------------------------------- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Rx 505 is a very nice deck and can be restored - easier than many other Naks that I know. Where in the US this deck is located at present? Kannan "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can remove this from life support (officially abandon). Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired remote will kill this deck? Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck the cassette in and play. No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? Fred in CT --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! 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URL: From salimarz at telkom.net Wed Nov 15 17:25:22 2006 From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:25:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? References: <189076.79277.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003801c708d8$b607ef80$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Hi again Kannan, LOL ... to maintain our relationship I've prepared another nak problem : CA7 remote can turn the volume down but not up ... haha ... these Naks are soo adorable ... high end stuff but somehow don't react very well to my aura. =) Well I tried very hard to avoid the 'A' word here ... however can't resist to tell how my ancient Akai 325d sat there on shelves all the time ... every 3 years or so I plugged it in and always work right away, albeit with so so sound quality. Do you still keep your original first love Dragon from the old days ? Thanks for your help ! I'll open up the cover real soon. cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Hi Salim only Nak trouble brings us together! Keep the top cover out of the way and check whether this happens ! I have not seen anything like this - but only way is to trace the fault by the old way, touch every component and find out whether anything is heating up unusally. This could not be be a power supply problem. Kannan Ofcourse Ihad a dead powersupply on a latest Dragon . I had to relace one small signal transistor in thepower supply area with higher voltage one as the original (designed) transistor was failing every time when i replaced ! Kannan "Salim S. Marzuki" wrote: Hi Kannan, how are you ? I have a smaller scale of problem: 505 functions well but when the deck got warm it simply won't play anymore and some of the control led glow dimly. Should be in power supply area but haven't got time to troubleshoot. Really appreciate any hint if you have experienced similar problem (on other nak). Sorry to hijack your thread Fred, also sorry I can't help with your 505 other than saying yes there's hope for almost any Nak. =) regards, salim sm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Rx 505 is a very nice deck and can be restored - easier than many other Naks that I know. Where in the US this deck is located at present? Kannan "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can remove this from life support (officially abandon). Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired remote will kill this deck? Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck the cassette in and play. No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? Fred in CT -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! 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URL: From salimarz at telkom.net Wed Nov 15 17:25:22 2006 From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:25:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? References: <189076.79277.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901c708db$5ed89220$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Hi again Kannan, LOL ... to maintain our relationship I've prepared another nak problem : CA7 remote can turn the volume down but not up ... haha ... these Naks are soo adorable ... high end stuff but somehow don't react very well to my aura. =) Well I tried very hard to avoid the 'A' word here ... however can't resist to tell how my ancient Akai 325d sat there on shelves all the time ... every 3 years or so I plugged it in and always work right away, albeit with so so sound quality. Do you still keep your original first love Dragon from the old days ? Thanks for your help ! I'll open up the cover real soon. cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Hi Salim only Nak trouble brings us together! Keep the top cover out of the way and check whether this happens ! I have not seen anything like this - but only way is to trace the fault by the old way, touch every component and find out whether anything is heating up unusally. This could not be be a power supply problem. Kannan Ofcourse Ihad a dead powersupply on a latest Dragon . I had to relace one small signal transistor in thepower supply area with higher voltage one as the original (designed) transistor was failing every time when i replaced ! Kannan "Salim S. Marzuki" wrote: Hi Kannan, how are you ? I have a smaller scale of problem: 505 functions well but when the deck got warm it simply won't play anymore and some of the control led glow dimly. Should be in power supply area but haven't got time to troubleshoot. Really appreciate any hint if you have experienced similar problem (on other nak). Sorry to hijack your thread Fred, also sorry I can't help with your 505 other than saying yes there's hope for almost any Nak. =) regards, salim sm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Rx 505 is a very nice deck and can be restored - easier than many other Naks that I know. Where in the US this deck is located at present? Kannan "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can remove this from life support (officially abandon). Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired remote will kill this deck? Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck the cassette in and play. No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? Fred in CT -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! 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URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed Nov 15 19:15:54 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:45:54 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Importance of grounding References: <200611151711.kAFHBbVl029957@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001201c708e2$18aa8d10$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi Reading Fred's posts regarding a possible static kickin his RX505 in i wondered what everybody does regarding grounding ? Most Naks come with a 2 pin plug and the body is not really grounded, would it be nice to adopt Stephen Sank's suggestion to put in a IEC 3 pin power connector and ground it via the common ground ? Or something similar ? What other techniques exist ? Best Soumi From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed Nov 15 20:28:22 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:58:22 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Importance of grounding Message-ID: <002a01c708ec$37ee80f0$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Found this article doing a google search ... interesting reading as well as creedence for Kermit's DIY interconnect cable method. http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/audio_by_design/f_Gruszka-02.16.05.shtml From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 15 22:39:14 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:39:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Importance of grounding In-Reply-To: <001201c708e2$18aa8d10$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200611151711.kAFHBbVl029957@zxe.naks.com> <001201c708e2$18aa8d10$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <455B8902.6060401@rcn.com> Not a good idea. It could create a ground loop that could cause system hum that will be difficult to locate; the only cure will then be to lift the new ground. -- Ron soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi > Reading Fred's posts regarding a possible static kickin his RX505 in i > wondered what everybody does regarding grounding ? > Most Naks come with a 2 pin plug and the body is not really grounded, would > it be nice to adopt Stephen Sank's suggestion to put in a IEC 3 pin power > connector and ground it via the common ground ? Or something similar ? > > What other techniques exist ? > > Best > Soumi > From deirdre.cherry at db.com Thu Nov 16 00:09:20 2006 From: deirdre.cherry at db.com (Deirdre Cherry) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:09:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: I have a BX-100 and a BX-150. Both have motor issues (the tape does not advance). I have already had these units fixed once for the same problem (probably 10 years ago). I think rather than attempting to find someone to repair, I thought I should just buy a new deck. Then in doing my homework, I started to think I should buy a used Nakamichi and upgrade while I am at it. Thoughts? Do the traded machines prove to be reliable? Any thoughts on the LX-5? - --- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From salimarz at telkom.net Wed Nov 15 17:51:28 2006 From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:51:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? References: <455B0DF6.7030908@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000101c7090f$657eb2b0$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Hello Ron, how are you ? Been away venturing to the dangerous land of lenses and already fully recovered. Now I realize that audio is a much much safer hobby after all. =) Thanks much for your help ! I'll check the deck thoroughly soon (looking at schematics is sure not as fun with reading glass on). As you said once, the hardest part is taking deck off the rack ... Regards, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? > > Hey, Salim, long time no read... Your problem could > easily be a bad power supply or regulator. Should be > easy to locate. just measure voltages into and around > the control section. > > Have a good one, > > -- Ron > > > > > Salim S. Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Kannan, how are you ? > > > > I have a smaller scale of problem: 505 functions well but when the deck > > got warm it simply won't play anymore and some of the control led glow > > dimly. > > > > Should be in power supply area but haven't got time to troubleshoot. > > Really appreciate any hint if you have experienced similar problem (on > > other nak). > > > > Sorry to hijack your thread Fred, also sorry I can't help with your 505 > > other than saying yes there's hope for almost any Nak. =) > > > > regards, > > salim sm > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:25 AM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? > > > > Rx 505 is a very nice deck and can be restored - easier than many other > > Naks that I know. Where in the US this deck is located at present? > > Kannan > > > > */"Fred S.C. Li" /* wrote: > > > > > > I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, > > however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can > > remove this from life support (officially abandon). > > > > Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired > > remote will kill this deck? > > > > Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play > > when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, > > I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive > > came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck > > the cassette in and play. > > > > No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at > > the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? > > > > Fred in CT > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at telkom.net Wed Nov 15 17:25:22 2006 From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:25:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? References: <189076.79277.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c7090f$6178bad0$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Hi again Kannan, LOL ... to maintain our relationship I've prepared another nak problem : CA7 remote can turn the volume down but not up ... haha ... these Naks are soo adorable ... high end stuff but somehow don't react very well to my aura. =) Well I tried very hard to avoid the 'A' word here ... however can't resist to tell how my ancient Akai 325d sat there on shelves all the time ... every 3 years or so I plugged it in and always work right away, albeit with so so sound quality. Do you still keep your original first love Dragon from the old days ? Thanks for your help ! I'll open up the cover real soon. cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Hi Salim only Nak trouble brings us together! Keep the top cover out of the way and check whether this happens ! I have not seen anything like this - but only way is to trace the fault by the old way, touch every component and find out whether anything is heating up unusally. This could not be be a power supply problem. Kannan Ofcourse Ihad a dead powersupply on a latest Dragon . I had to relace one small signal transistor in thepower supply area with higher voltage one as the original (designed) transistor was failing every time when i replaced ! Kannan "Salim S. Marzuki" wrote: Hi Kannan, how are you ? I have a smaller scale of problem: 505 functions well but when the deck got warm it simply won't play anymore and some of the control led glow dimly. Should be in power supply area but haven't got time to troubleshoot. Really appreciate any hint if you have experienced similar problem (on other nak). Sorry to hijack your thread Fred, also sorry I can't help with your 505 other than saying yes there's hope for almost any Nak. =) regards, salim sm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX - 505 RIP Forever? Rx 505 is a very nice deck and can be restored - easier than many other Naks that I know. Where in the US this deck is located at present? Kannan "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I believe? my RX-505 is in pieces at an audio tech's workbench, however, as it's been a long time in repair I was wondering if I can remove this from life support (officially abandon). Does anyone know if a static discharge into the RX via the Nak wired remote will kill this deck? Symptoms before being brought into service, the unit would just play when turned on. Powering on and off would disengage the mechanism, I could power on, hit the eject, power off when the cassette drive came out, switch a tape, power on and it my beloved RX would suck the cassette in and play. No recording capabilities, etc.... I think it would auto-reverse at the end, but I can't remember it's been so long. Is there any hope? Fred in CT -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! 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Regards _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 16 02:44:52 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:44:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455BC294.3040604@rcn.com> Deirdre Cherry wrote: > I have a BX-100 and a BX-150. Both have motor issues (the tape does not > advance). Which motor is the problem? Are you sure it's a motor? The problem could be as simple as an idler tire. > I have already had these units fixed once for the same > problem (probably 10 years ago). I think rather than attempting to find > someone to repair, I thought I should just buy a new deck. Then in > doing my homework, I started to think I should buy a used Nakamichi and > upgrade while I am at it. Thoughts? Makes sense. Both your BX-100 and BX-150 are entry level machines. You'll get the most bang for the buck if you upgrade to a 3 head deck. Consider BX-300, 582, CR-3 (or CR-4 or CR-5) for starters. If your budget permits, there are even better (and more expensive) alternatives. > Do the traded machines prove to be reliable? More than anything else, this depends on the specific deck and it's condition. > Any thoughts on the LX-5? Very nice deck. But then, all Naks are :-). -- Ron From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Nov 16 03:43:48 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:43:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Importance of grounding In-Reply-To: <001201c708e2$18aa8d10$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200611151711.kAFHBbVl029957@zxe.naks.com> <001201c708e2$18aa8d10$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <2F696EFE-B102-4F25-8E15-1DD57F493756@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Soumi, On Nov 15, 2006, at 12:15 PM, wrote: > Hi > Reading Fred's posts regarding a possible static kickin his RX505 in i > wondered what everybody does regarding grounding ? > Most Naks come with a 2 pin plug and the body is not really > grounded, would > it be nice to adopt Stephen Sank's suggestion to put in a IEC 3 pin > power > connector and ground it via the common ground ? Or something similar ? > Good idea. i'd install an IEC-3 but connect only the recorder's case to the third-pin ground. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Nov 16 04:08:01 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:08:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar Message-ID: <48EBA09C-4BC9-44D1-8128-60880471F6BD@woods-and-waters.com> Hello fellow Nakaphiles, Someone on eBay is selling what they claim is, "This may be the last Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand new off the warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was the last one we had...." The seller lists the condition as new, then states in the description, "I estimate that this cartridge has about 100 hours of use." Pardon my rigidity of thought but if an item has 100 hours use then it is no longer new. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MC-500-MC500-Moving-Coil- Cartridge_W0QQitemZ120053784788QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64620QQssPageNameZWDVW QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120053784788 Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 16 04:48:34 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:48:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <48EBA09C-4BC9-44D1-8128-60880471F6BD@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20061116034834.84016.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, It isn't rigid thinking - a cart with 100 hours mileage is as good as discarded and is in for either new stylus (MM) or refurbish+new stylus (MC). Bala Kermit Gray wrote: Hello fellow Nakaphiles, Someone on eBay is selling what they claim is, "This may be the last Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand new off the warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was the last one we had...." The seller lists the condition as new, then states in the description, "I estimate that this cartridge has about 100 hours of use." Pardon my rigidity of thought but if an item has 100 hours use then it is no longer new. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MC-500-MC500-Moving-Coil- Cartridge_W0QQitemZ120053784788QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64620QQssPageNameZWDVW QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120053784788 Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sponsored Link $200,000 mortgage for $660/mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt, home equity - Click now for info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there a way for a novice like me to adjust the screws at the base where the heads sit? Or would I have to send it in for repairs? > > Thanks to all who can provide an answer. > > Regards > _________________________________________________________________ > Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 16 09:05:20 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:05:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Azimuth In-Reply-To: <455C13C6.2030006@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20061116080520.52214.qmail@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Luis, Thats a Mac 6800 integrated you are using?! Best Regads Bala Ganesh Luis Peromarta wrote: You can do with a set of (my) alignment tapes ;) http://www.peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html best rgds, LP. boogie man escribió: > I just got myself another ZX-9 and while it records and playback fine, when I play Nakamichi's Reference recordings its not as sharp as it should be. From my experience with other Naks it seems like the playback azimuth is off. Is there a way for a novice like me to adjust the screws at the base where the heads sit? Or would I have to send it in for repairs? > > Thanks to all who can provide an answer. > > Regards > _________________________________________________________________ > Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310,000 Mortgage for $999/mo - Calculate new house payment -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Nov 16 09:23:30 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:23:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Azimuth In-Reply-To: <20061116080520.52214.qmail@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061116080520.52214.qmail@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <455C2002.6030407@peromarta.org> Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra escribió: > Hi Luis, > > Thats a Mac 6800 integrated you are using?! Nope. It's a Mac C2200 valve preamp. Further down goes a perfect phase-coherent Linkwitz-Riley 2 way active crossover, two X50 and two X200 amps from Musical Fidelity (not in picture) as power amps. > > Best Regads > Bala Ganesh > Best rgds, LP. > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > You can do with a set of (my) alignment tapes ;) > > http://www.peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html > > best rgds, LP. > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 16 11:15:55 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:15:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Azimuth In-Reply-To: <455C2002.6030407@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20061116101555.89361.qmail@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Luis, Ok, sorry about the wrong ID.. confused by those meters! How about the speakers? Best Regards Bala Ganesh Luis Peromarta wrote: Hi Bala, Bala Ganesh Chandra escribió: > Hi Luis, > > Thats a Mac 6800 integrated you are using?! Nope. It's a Mac C2200 valve preamp. Further down goes a perfect phase-coherent Linkwitz-Riley 2 way active crossover, two X50 and two X200 amps from Musical Fidelity (not in picture) as power amps. > > Best Regads > Bala Ganesh > Best rgds, LP. > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > You can do with a set of (my) alignment tapes ;) > > http://www.peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html > > best rgds, LP. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Nov 16 11:27:13 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:27:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Azimuth In-Reply-To: <20061116101555.89361.qmail@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061116101555.89361.qmail@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <455C3D01.70300@peromarta.org> Hi Bala, Currently on main system, a pair of ProAc Response 2S (for > 120Hz freq.), and a pair of self made sealed enclosures (for freq < 120Hz) with two 10" VIFA drivers each, flat to 30Hz. I will have some pics uploaded soon. Best rgds, LP. Bala Ganesh Chandra escribió: > Hi Luis, > > > Ok, sorry about the wrong ID.. confused by those meters! > How about the speakers? > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > Hi Bala, > > Bala Ganesh Chandra escribió: > > Hi Luis, > > > > Thats a Mac 6800 integrated you are using?! > > Nope. It's a Mac C2200 valve preamp. Further down goes a perfect > phase-coherent Linkwitz-Riley 2 way active crossover, two X50 and two > X200 amps from Musical Fidelity (not in picture) as power amps. > > > > > Best Regads > > Bala Ganesh > > > > Best rgds, LP. > > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > > > You can do with a set of (my) alignment tapes ;) > > > > http://www.peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html > > > > best rgds, LP. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - > Calculate new house payment > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rich_121 at msn.com Thu Nov 16 11:40:49 2006 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:40:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Parts/repair availability for Nak TD-1200 II? Message-ID: Hello, Is there anyone who works on the Nak car decks, such as the TD-1200 II, or a place to purchase parts? Thanks, Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 16 15:02:01 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:02:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <20061116034834.84016.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061116034834.84016.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <455C6F59.4030208@rcn.com> Life of diamond tips is over 1000 hours. 100 hours are nothing for a stylus, it still has more than 90% of its life ahead of it. I am not so sure about the cantilever damping material. Depending on storage conditions, it could still be like new or it could be useless. Except for the stylus assembly, there is nothing to refurbish in a phono cartridge. The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it was in new condition. There is a difference. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > It isn't rigid thinking - a cart with 100 hours mileage is as good as > discarded and is in for either new stylus (MM) or refurbish+new stylus > (MC). > > Bala > > */Kermit Gray /* wrote: > > Hello fellow Nakaphiles, > > Someone on eBay is selling what they claim is, "This may be the last > Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand new off the > warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was the last > one we had...." The seller lists the condition as new, then states > in the description, "I estimate that this cartridge has about 100 > hours of use." > > Pardon my rigidity of thought but if an item has 100 hours use then > it is no longer new. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MC-500-MC500-Moving-Coil- > Cartridge_W0QQitemZ120053784788QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64620QQssPageNameZWDVW > > QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120053784788 > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Nov 16 15:03:36 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:03:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks and storage In-Reply-To: <007201c70893$50e13660$0201a8c0@lan> References: <007201c70893$50e13660$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:52:00 +1300, "Martin Short" wrote: >A quick query: Due to the fact that I have been a naughty boy and have been transferred to Sydney, Australia, all my Naks are having to go into storage; likely for six months. Is there any special precautions I could/should take, other than good strong, dry boxing?.. to ensure a satsifactory revival from their enforced hibernation.. Consider double boxing, and adding a desicant inside the enclosure. That goes for all your electronics, not just your naks. If they are packed all the time you cannot just plug them in, turn them on and let them run for 5 minutes, right? If there are any belts you could venture to open the deck / turntable and slide the belt off the motor axle and or flywheel. Then put them back on when you get to using them again. -Mikkel From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 16 15:07:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:07:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Importance of grounding In-Reply-To: <2F696EFE-B102-4F25-8E15-1DD57F493756@woods-and-waters.com> References: <200611151711.kAFHBbVl029957@zxe.naks.com> <001201c708e2$18aa8d10$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> <2F696EFE-B102-4F25-8E15-1DD57F493756@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <455C708B.9010500@rcn.com> Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Soumi, > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 12:15 PM, > wrote: > >> Hi >> Reading Fred's posts regarding a possible static kickin his RX505 in i >> wondered what everybody does regarding grounding ? >> Most Naks come with a 2 pin plug and the body is not really grounded, >> would >> it be nice to adopt Stephen Sank's suggestion to put in a IEC 3 pin power >> connector and ground it via the common ground ? Or something similar ? >> > > Good idea. i'd install an IEC-3 but connect only the recorder's case to > the third-pin ground. ... and since both supply ground and signal ground are connected to the case, it doesn't make much difference where, exactly, you'd 'only' connect it. -- Ron > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 16 15:57:18 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:57:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Parts/repair availability for Nak TD-1200 II? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061116085718.008325c0@earthlink.net> What problems does your have? I have a parts donor unit for mechanical parts, and can possibly repair it for you. tom brucker At 02:40 AM 11/16/06 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hello, Is there anyone who works on the Nak car decks, such as the TD-1200 II, or a place to purchase parts? Thanks, Richard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 16 15:46:33 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:46:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Azimuth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061116084633.008325c0@earthlink.net> Before "screwing" with the adjustments, verify that the treble changes significantly when switching between mono and stereo. Dull sounding mono is caused by azimuth mis alignment. If the left channel is weak, clean the play head at the hard to see edges. Get lots of light and a magnifying glass. tom brucker At 08:33 PM 11/15/06 -0500, you wrote: > >I just got myself another ZX-9 and while it records and playback fine, when I play Nakamichi's Reference recordings its not as sharp as it should be. From my experience with other Naks it seems like the playback azimuth is off. Is there a way for a novice like me to adjust the screws at the base where the heads sit? Or would I have to send it in for repairs? > >Thanks to all who can provide an answer. > >Regards >_________________________________________________________________ >Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. >http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-49 11fb2b2e6d >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 16 15:53:21 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:53:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <48EBA09C-4BC9-44D1-8128-60880471F6BD@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061116085321.008325c0@earthlink.net> I prefer 'NakNutz' Maybe the 100 hours were the break-in period. He ought to charge extra for that! Buying old cartridges is risky. From experience I know the cantilever mount elastomer (rubber of some sort) can harden with time. Grados used to harden in 2 years. I always thought Pickering and Empire suffered from the same since they sounded harsh when old. tom brucker At 09:08 PM 11/15/06 -0600, you wrote: >Hello fellow Nakaphiles, > >Someone on eBay is selling what they claim is, "This may be the last >Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand new off the >warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was the last >one we had...." The seller lists the condition as new, then states >in the description, "I estimate that this cartridge has about 100 >hours of use." > >Pardon my rigidity of thought but if an item has 100 hours use then >it is no longer new. > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MC-500-MC500-Moving-Coil- >Cartridge_W0QQitemZ120053784788QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64620QQssPageNameZWDVW >QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120053784788 > > >Kermit Gray >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to make your music better! > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 16 17:07:45 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:07:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <455C6F59.4030208@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003201c70999$5bd39e30$7300a8c0@Shaun> >..The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it was in new condition. There is a difference..< What appears next was lifted off the Ebay item page and is clear and unequivocal. Description Item Specifics - Item Condition Condition: New It does not say "..it was in new condition"; not on anywhere on the page. As you said, there is a difference. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 16 November 2006 14:02 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar Life of diamond tips is over 1000 hours. 100 hours are nothing for a stylus, it still has more than 90% of its life ahead of it. I am not so sure about the cantilever damping material. Depending on storage conditions, it could still be like new or it could be useless. Except for the stylus assembly, there is nothing to refurbish in a phono cartridge. The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it was in new condition. There is a difference. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > It isn't rigid thinking - a cart with 100 hours mileage is as good as > discarded and is in for either new stylus (MM) or refurbish+new stylus > (MC). > > Bala > > */Kermit Gray /* wrote: > > Hello fellow Nakaphiles, > > Someone on eBay is selling what they claim is, "This may be the last > Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand new off the > warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was the last > one we had...." The seller lists the condition as new, then states > in the description, "I estimate that this cartridge has about 100 > hours of use." > > Pardon my rigidity of thought but if an item has 100 hours use then > it is no longer new. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MC-500-MC500-Moving-Coil- > > Cartridge_W0QQitemZ120053784788QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64620QQssPageNameZWD > VW > > QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120053784788 > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1869 (20061116) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Nov 16 23:41:12 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:41:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <003201c70999$5bd39e30$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <003201c70999$5bd39e30$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: Hey Shaun, On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Shaun Montgomery wrote: >> ..The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it > was in new condition. There is a difference..< > > What appears next was lifted off the Ebay item page and is clear and > unequivocal. > > Description > Item Specifics - Item Condition > Condition: New > > It does not say "..it was in new condition"; not on anywhere on the > page. > > As you said, there is a difference. > Perhaps the seller made an error in his listing, but that was exactly what I was referring to: the listing states unambiguously "Condition: New" then in the written description the seller tells it has 100- hours wear. Here is the full text of the listing. I've capitalized the word NEW to aid the reader. "Item Specifics - Item Condition "Condition: NEW "This may be the last Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand NEW off the warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was the last one we had. I have three arms (see my other auctions, I have a Dragon CT tonearm for sale) with three cartridges. I estimate that this cartridge has about 100 hours of use. The stylus looks perfect under magnification. It sounds great and tracks well in my Dragon. I can't find the original packing, so I will ship in an Ortofon cartridge box." The seller states the CONDITION as new, then says he BOUGHT IT "brand new." It does not say "new condition." The assertion "This may be the last Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US" makes good ad copy but is an assumption. It could well be possible, but it is unverifiable. The word "could" is a valid disclaimer, though. Also note the statement, "The stylus looks perfect under magnification." How much magnification? Doesn't say. A stylus can look flawless under 20X or 40X but higher magnifications will show wear you cannot see at lower magnifications. I have a handheld 50X microscope I use to inspect solder joints, mechanical components and welds. Although it is an excellent microscope, it cannot reliably let you see if a stylus is worn, but it will give a good idea of how dirty a stylus is. Lighting a stylus correctly to see wear accurately, let al,one see the stylus shape properly, is tricky. I've been told that a 100X to 200X stereo jeweler's microscope is ideal for inspecting styli. These are esoteric and expensive, something few individuals own. Although 100 hours is 1/5 to 1/10 of the life of a stylus (depending on whether you choose the oft-quoted 1000 hours or 500 hours as stylus life expectancy) I worry that you have to trust the seller is correct in the 100 hours life. Also, 100 hours of play time on dirty records with a stylus that is seldom cleaned is far more wear than 100 hours with meticulous cleaning of both record and stylus. > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Ron > Except for the stylus assembly, there is nothing to > refurbish in a phono cartridge. Except maybe oxidized connector pins and contamination in the stylus channel. > > The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it > was in new condition. There is a difference. > > -- Ron > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hi Kermit, >> >> It isn't rigid thinking - a cart with 100 hours mileage is as >> good as >> discarded and is in for either new stylus (MM) or refurbish+new >> stylus >> (MC). >> >> Bala >> >> */Kermit Gray /* wrote: >> >> Hello fellow Nakaphiles, >> >> Someone on eBay is selling what they claim is, "This may be >> the last >> Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand new >> off the >> warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was >> the last >> one we had...." The seller lists the condition as new, then >> states >> in the description, "I estimate that this cartridge has about 100 >> hours of use." >> >> Pardon my rigidity of thought but if an item has 100 hours use >> then >> it is no longer new. >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MC-500-MC500-Moving-Coil- >> >> Cartridge_W0QQitemZ120053784788QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64620QQssPageNameZW >> D >> VW >> >> QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120053784788 >> >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > __________ NOD32 1869 (20061116) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http:// > www.eset.com > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Nov 16 23:47:23 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:47:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <003201c70999$5bd39e30$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <003201c70999$5bd39e30$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: A quick follow-up, On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Shaun Montgomery wrote: >> ..The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it > was in new condition. There is a difference..< > > What appears next was lifted off the Ebay item page and is clear and > unequivocal. > > Description > Item Specifics - Item Condition > Condition: New > > It does not say "..it was in new condition"; not on anywhere on the > page. > > As you said, there is a difference. The seller received and answered the following question: "Q: Hello. Just one thing.....your listing says the cartridge has approximately 100 hours of use and yet you're advertising the cartridge as new. If the cartridge has even one hour of use, it can't be sold as new. Nov-16-06. "A: Sorry for the mistake, I've made an edit in the descripton. Thanks!" So, it seems my hypothesis that the seller made a mistake in the listing is correct. Odd thing, though; as of when I wrote this message and the previous message, the description still lists the condition as New. So I'm unclear where he corrected the description. E caveat emptor. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: 16 November 2006 14:02 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > > > > Life of diamond tips is over 1000 hours. 100 hours are > nothing for a stylus, it still has more than 90% of its > life ahead of it. I am not so sure about the cantilever damping > material. > Depending on storage conditions, it could still be like new or it > could be > useless. > > Except for the stylus assembly, there is nothing to > refurbish in a phono cartridge. > > The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it > was in new condition. There is a difference. > > -- Ron > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hi Kermit, >> >> It isn't rigid thinking - a cart with 100 hours mileage is as >> good as >> discarded and is in for either new stylus (MM) or refurbish+new >> stylus >> (MC). >> >> Bala >> >> */Kermit Gray /* wrote: >> >> Hello fellow Nakaphiles, >> >> Someone on eBay is selling what they claim is, "This may be >> the last >> Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand new >> off the >> warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was >> the last >> one we had...." The seller lists the condition as new, then >> states >> in the description, "I estimate that this cartridge has about 100 >> hours of use." >> >> Pardon my rigidity of thought but if an item has 100 hours use >> then >> it is no longer new. >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MC-500-MC500-Moving-Coil- >> >> Cartridge_W0QQitemZ120053784788QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64620QQssPageNameZW >> D >> VW >> >> QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120053784788 >> >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > __________ NOD32 1869 (20061116) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http:// > www.eset.com > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Nov 17 00:06:30 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:06:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061116085321.008325c0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061116085321.008325c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6C3F6D59-3980-47D5-91C6-6D590431367B@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, You know, I just recorded some toms today. On the track sheet one was listed as Hi Tom and the other Lo Tom. Small world. On Nov 16, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Hi Tech wrote: > I prefer 'NakNutz' > Maybe the 100 hours were the break-in period. He ought to charge > extra > for that! > Buying old cartridges is risky. From experience I know the > cantilever mount > elastomer (rubber of some sort) can harden with time. Grados used > to harden > in 2 years. I always thought Pickering and Empire suffered from the > same > since they sounded harsh when old. > tom brucker Absolutely! I'd add ADC, many pre-1985 moving coils and pre-1975 Shure to that list. Also, old Micro-Acoustics styli elastomers can not only dry out but the adhesive holding the tip onto the cantilever can dry out, allowing the tip to fall off while playing. The 2002E is especially prone to this fault. I can tell you this firsthand because I have one. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 17 00:47:48 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:47:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <6C3F6D59-3980-47D5-91C6-6D590431367B@woods-and-waters.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20061116085321.008325c0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20061116085321.008325c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061116174748.0083a890@earthlink.net> Golly, remember having to make due with only 8 tracks? I mic'd a kit once with ORTF Beyer omnis about 4 feet up, and have wondered ever since why anyone would try and mic individual drums in a kit. Ever see the Paul Winter Consort live, and their mic ing of the percussion? tom At 05:06 PM 11/16/06 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Tom, > >You know, I just recorded some toms today. On the track sheet one was >listed as Hi Tom and the other Lo Tom. Small world. > >On Nov 16, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Hi Tech wrote: > >> I prefer 'NakNutz' >> Maybe the 100 hours were the break-in period. He ought to charge >> extra >> for that! >> Buying old cartridges is risky. From experience I know the >> cantilever mount >> elastomer (rubber of some sort) can harden with time. Grados used >> to harden >> in 2 years. I always thought Pickering and Empire suffered from the >> same >> since they sounded harsh when old. >> tom brucker > >Absolutely! I'd add ADC, many pre-1985 moving coils and pre-1975 >Shure to that list. Also, old Micro-Acoustics styli elastomers can >not only dry out but the adhesive holding the tip onto the cantilever >can dry out, allowing the tip to fall off while playing. The 2002E is >especially prone to this fault. I can tell you this firsthand because >I have one. > >Kermit Gray >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to make your music better! > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 17 00:59:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:59:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <003201c70999$5bd39e30$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <003201c70999$5bd39e30$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <455CFB7A.5040307@rcn.com> Well Shaun, I see our little difficulty. I interpret "Condition: new" as "Cartridge is in new condition". You interpret it to mean, "the cartridge is New". Obviously, there is a difference... My point (only obvious to those that read some of my previous posts concerning the eplace), is that ebay is a cesspool of ripoffs. To give you an idea, I bought a Heathkit instrument that was described as 'pristine' and found that it had holes drilled in the front panel. In another case, I bought an MR-1 described as 'for parts or repair', to receive a pile of disjointed assemblies that remained after the deck had been cannibalized... In this case, as I read description literally, I thought the was maybe trifle ambiguous, but far from an outright lie. In addition, he did state that it had been used for 100 hours. In ebay terms, this seller walks on water... -- Ron Shaun Montgomery wrote: >> ..The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it > was in new condition. There is a difference..< > > What appears next was lifted off the Ebay item page and is clear and > unequivocal. > > Description > Item Specifics - Item Condition > Condition: New > > It does not say "..it was in new condition"; not on anywhere on the page. > > As you said, there is a difference. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: 16 November 2006 14:02 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > > > > Life of diamond tips is over 1000 hours. 100 hours are > nothing for a stylus, it still has more than 90% of its > life ahead of it. I am not so sure about the cantilever damping material. > Depending on storage conditions, it could still be like new or it could be > useless. > > Except for the stylus assembly, there is nothing to > refurbish in a phono cartridge. > > The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it > was in new condition. There is a difference. > > -- Ron > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hi Kermit, >> >> It isn't rigid thinking - a cart with 100 hours mileage is as good as >> discarded and is in for either new stylus (MM) or refurbish+new stylus >> (MC). >> >> Bala >> >> */Kermit Gray /* wrote: >> >> Hello fellow Nakaphiles, >> >> Someone on eBay is selling what they claim is, "This may be the last >> Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand new off the >> warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was the last >> one we had...." The seller lists the condition as new, then states >> in the description, "I estimate that this cartridge has about 100 >> hours of use." >> >> Pardon my rigidity of thought but if an item has 100 hours use then >> it is no longer new. >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MC-500-MC500-Moving-Coil- >> >> Cartridge_W0QQitemZ120053784788QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64620QQssPageNameZWD >> VW >> >> QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120053784788 >> >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Nov 17 05:54:09 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:54:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar Message-ID: Hello Folks, Please... don't look after old MC cartridges, specially Nakamichi...in phono cartridges Nakamichi NEVER produce any phono cartridge somelse made it with Nak brand...look forward for a new currently fabricate cartridge, IF you will need someday any kind of reparation. My "Common Sense" tip! Peace,ALEX! > From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:07:45 +0000> > >..The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it> was in new condition. There is a difference..<> > What appears next was lifted off the Ebay item page and is clear and> unequivocal. > > Description> Item Specifics - Item Condition > Condition: New > > It does not say "..it was in new condition"; not on anywhere on the page.> > As you said, there is a difference.> > Shaun> > -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf> Of Ron> Sent: 16 November 2006 14:02> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar> > > > Life of diamond tips is over 1000 hours. 100 hours are> nothing for a stylus, it still has more than 90% of its> life ahead of it. I am not so sure about the cantilever damping material.> Depending on storage conditions, it could still be like new or it could be> useless.> > Except for the stylus assembly, there is nothing to> refurbish in a phono cartridge.> > The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it> was in new condition. There is a difference.> > -- Ron> > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote:> > Hi Kermit,> > > > It isn't rigid thinking - a cart with 100 hours mileage is as good as> > discarded and is in for either new stylus (MM) or refurbish+new stylus > > (MC).> > > > Bala> > > > */Kermit Gray /* wrote:> > > > Hello fellow Nakaphiles,> > > > Someone on eBay is selling what they claim is, "This may be the last> > Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand new off the> > warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was the last> > one we had...." The seller lists the condition as new, then states> > in the description, "I estimate that this cartridge has about 100> > hours of use."> > > > Pardon my rigidity of thought but if an item has 100 hours use then> > it is no longer new.> > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MC-500-MC500-Moving-Coil-> > > > Cartridge_W0QQitemZ120053784788QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64620QQssPageNameZWD> > VW> > > > QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120053784788> > > > > > Kermit Gray> > KVG Laboratories> > Equipment to make your music better!> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > __________ NOD32 1869 (20061116) Information __________> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 17 10:11:10 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:11:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <455CFB7A.5040307@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> Yes, of course Ebay is place to be wary of and I wholly agree that there are ripoffs to watch out for. The trouble is Ebay does not hold itself responsible for the descriptions contained in their auctions and many unsuspecting prospective buyers take the descriptions as accurate. The ones that do take responsibility for their descriptions often say that the item can be returned if it is not exactly as described. So far my own experiences have not, on the whole, been too bad. My first Nak, a BX-300, was bought after a "Second chance" offer from the seller. It now seems that the practice of "second chance" offers can be used to get a mate to bid over the top of any other bids and so jack up the price and remove any chance of a true bargain in the hope that the seller can then get the next highest bidder to purchase the item at a higher price than he originally bid. I fell for that, as I was so keen to get the item. However, the seller was great to correspond with and the item arrived quickly and in great condition (mind you, I still got B&W to service it, for peace of mind). Nowadays I usually ignore "second chance" offers and wait for it to be re-listed. My "Office Nak", a BX-2, was bought on Ebay for £3.51 and was described as having an annoying buzz and not winding/re-winding properly. It was accurately described. After a £30 repair at my local Nak service centre (not B&W this time) it works perfectly and gives me much pleasure played through the computer sound card and Cambridge Soundworks speakers (a 4.1 system) and sub. In the end you are taking a chance whenever you bid/buy on Ebay and that is part of the fun, as with any auction. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 17 November 2006 00:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar Well Shaun, I see our little difficulty. I interpret "Condition: new" as "Cartridge is in new condition". You interpret it to mean, "the cartridge is New". Obviously, there is a difference... My point (only obvious to those that read some of my previous posts concerning the eplace), is that ebay is a cesspool of ripoffs. To give you an idea, I bought a Heathkit instrument that was described as 'pristine' and found that it had holes drilled in the front panel. In another case, I bought an MR-1 described as 'for parts or repair', to receive a pile of disjointed assemblies that remained after the deck had been cannibalized... In this case, as I read description literally, I thought the was maybe trifle ambiguous, but far from an outright lie. In addition, he did state that it had been used for 100 hours. In ebay terms, this seller walks on water... -- Ron Shaun Montgomery wrote: >> ..The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it > was in new condition. There is a difference..< > > What appears next was lifted off the Ebay item page and is clear and > unequivocal. > > Description > Item Specifics - Item Condition > Condition: New > > It does not say "..it was in new condition"; not on anywhere on the > page. > > As you said, there is a difference. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 16 November 2006 14:02 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > > > > Life of diamond tips is over 1000 hours. 100 hours are nothing for a > stylus, it still has more than 90% of its life ahead of it. I am not > so sure about the cantilever damping material. Depending on storage > conditions, it could still be like new or it could be useless. > > Except for the stylus assembly, there is nothing to > refurbish in a phono cartridge. > > The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it > was in new condition. There is a difference. > > -- Ron > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hi Kermit, >> >> It isn't rigid thinking - a cart with 100 hours mileage is as good >> as discarded and is in for either new stylus (MM) or refurbish+new >> stylus (MC). >> >> Bala >> >> */Kermit Gray /* wrote: >> >> Hello fellow Nakaphiles, >> >> Someone on eBay is selling what they claim is, "This may be the last >> Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand new off the >> warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was the last >> one we had...." The seller lists the condition as new, then states >> in the description, "I estimate that this cartridge has about 100 >> hours of use." >> >> Pardon my rigidity of thought but if an item has 100 hours use then >> it is no longer new. >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MC-500-MC500-Moving-Coil- >> >> Cartridge_W0QQitemZ120053784788QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64620QQssPageNameZW >> D >> VW >> >> QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120053784788 >> >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 1869 (20061116) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Nov 17 12:19:53 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:19:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <455CFB7A.5040307@rcn.com> <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:11:10 -0000, "Shaun Montgomery" wrote: >In the end you are taking a chance whenever you bid/buy on Ebay and that is >part of the fun, as with any auction. It is fun? Whatever you are inhaling please open your window and stick your head out. eBay is a crap shoot - It is russian roulette with your money and your eBay feedback profile! -Mikkel >Shaun > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Ron >Sent: 17 November 2006 00:00 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > > > >Well Shaun, I see our little difficulty. I interpret "Condition: new" as >"Cartridge is in new condition". You interpret it to mean, "the cartridge is >New". Obviously, there is a difference... > >My point (only obvious to those that read some of my previous posts >concerning the eplace), is that ebay is a cesspool of ripoffs. To give you >an idea, I bought a Heathkit instrument that was described as 'pristine' and >found that it had holes drilled in the front panel. In another case, I >bought an MR-1 described as 'for parts or repair', to receive a pile of >disjointed assemblies that remained after the deck had been cannibalized... > >In this case, as I read description literally, I thought the was maybe >trifle ambiguous, but far from an outright lie. In addition, he did state >that it had been used for 100 hours. In ebay terms, this seller walks on >water... > >-- Ron > > > >Shaun Montgomery wrote: >>> ..The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it >> was in new condition. There is a difference..< >> >> What appears next was lifted off the Ebay item page and is clear and >> unequivocal. >> >> Description >> Item Specifics - Item Condition >> Condition: New >> >> It does not say "..it was in new condition"; not on anywhere on the >> page. >> >> As you said, there is a difference. >> >> Shaun >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of Ron >> Sent: 16 November 2006 14:02 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar >> >> >> >> Life of diamond tips is over 1000 hours. 100 hours are nothing for a >> stylus, it still has more than 90% of its life ahead of it. I am not >> so sure about the cantilever damping material. Depending on storage >> conditions, it could still be like new or it could be useless. >> >> Except for the stylus assembly, there is nothing to >> refurbish in a phono cartridge. >> >> The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it >> was in new condition. There is a difference. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> Hi Kermit, >>> >>> It isn't rigid thinking - a cart with 100 hours mileage is as good >>> as discarded and is in for either new stylus (MM) or refurbish+new >>> stylus (MC). >>> >>> Bala >>> >>> */Kermit Gray /* wrote: >>> >>> Hello fellow Nakaphiles, >>> >>> Someone on eBay is selling what they claim is, "This may be the last >>> Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand new off the >>> warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was the last >>> one we had...." The seller lists the condition as new, then states >>> in the description, "I estimate that this cartridge has about 100 >>> hours of use." >>> >>> Pardon my rigidity of thought but if an item has 100 hours use then >>> it is no longer new. >>> >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MC-500-MC500-Moving-Coil- >>> >>> Cartridge_W0QQitemZ120053784788QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64620QQssPageNameZW >>> D >>> VW >>> >>> QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120053784788 >>> >>> >>> Kermit Gray >>> KVG Laboratories >>> Equipment to make your music better! >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >__________ NOD32 1869 (20061116) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Fri Nov 17 15:58:12 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:58:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ebay satisfaction. (was: MC-500 boxcar) In-Reply-To: References: <455CFB7A.5040307@rcn.com> <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <455DCE04.5080007@peromarta.org> My experience with ebay has been quite good so far. I'd rate it 95% satisfaction. And it's always been fun. rgds, LP. Mikkel Breiler escribió: > On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:11:10 -0000, "Shaun Montgomery" > wrote: > >> In the end you are taking a chance whenever you bid/buy on Ebay and that is >> part of the fun, as with any auction. > > It is fun? > Whatever you are inhaling please open your window and stick your head out. eBay is a > crap shoot - It is russian roulette with your money and your eBay feedback profile! > > -Mikkel > From jberger at well.com Fri Nov 17 19:43:22 2006 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:43:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re: MC-500 Message-ID: Alex wrote: Hello Folks, Please... don't look after old MC cartridges, specially Nakamichi...in phono cartridges Nakamichi NEVER produce any phono cartridge somelse made it with Nak brand...look forward for a new currently fabricate cartridge, IF you will need someday any kind of reparation. --------------------------------- >From the pictures, it looks to me like a Denon DL-103, which was one of my favorite cartridges. Unfortunately, the stylus cantilever on mine did not fare well after the last move, and is kinked to the right about 30 degrees... From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 17 21:28:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:28:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Yes, of course Ebay is place to be wary of and I wholly agree that there are > ripoffs to watch out for. > > The trouble is Ebay does not hold itself responsible for the descriptions > contained in their auctions ... You can say that again. In fact, the biggest problem is ebay's reluctance to help victims, or even admit that the problem even exists. In one case, a seller took my check, then disappeared. Since they didn't deposit the check, I couldn't complain. A month later the scammer did deposit the check. At that point, ebay refused to acknowledge the theft, because, by 'their policy' (convenient term to tell the customer to go jump in the lake) they only deal with complaints within 30 days after auction end. At this point, I will only deal with 'ebay stores' (They may cheat but do not steal), where the seller will accept a charge card (if any problem, I can reverse the charge) and when I can personally pick up the item. Reduces the options, eliminates scams. > ... and many unsuspecting prospective buyers take > the descriptions as accurate. The ones that do take responsibility for their > descriptions often say that the item can be returned if it is not exactly as > described. > > So far my own experiences have not, on the whole, been too bad. My first > Nak, a BX-300, was bought after a "Second chance" offer from the seller. It > now seems that the practice of "second chance" offers can be used to get a > mate to bid over the top of any other bids and so jack up the price and > remove any chance of a true bargain in the hope that the seller can then get > the next highest bidder to purchase the item at a higher price than he > originally bid. I fell for that, as I was so keen to get the item. However, > the seller was great to correspond with and the item arrived quickly and in > great condition (mind you, I still got B&W to service it, for peace of > mind). Nowadays I usually ignore "second chance" offers and wait for it to > be re-listed. My "Office Nak", a BX-2, was bought on Ebay for £3.51 and was > described as having an annoying buzz and not winding/re-winding properly. It > was accurately described. After a £30 repair at my local Nak service centre > (not B&W this time) it works perfectly and gives me much pleasure played > through the computer sound card and Cambridge Soundworks speakers (a 4.1 > system) and sub. > > In the end you are taking a chance whenever you bid/buy on Ebay and that is > part of the fun, as with any auction. One man's 'fun' is another's 'risk'. -- Ron > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: 17 November 2006 00:00 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > > > > Well Shaun, I see our little difficulty. I interpret "Condition: new" as > "Cartridge is in new condition". You interpret it to mean, "the cartridge is > New". Obviously, there is a difference... > > My point (only obvious to those that read some of my previous posts > concerning the eplace), is that ebay is a cesspool of ripoffs. To give you > an idea, I bought a Heathkit instrument that was described as 'pristine' and > found that it had holes drilled in the front panel. In another case, I > bought an MR-1 described as 'for parts or repair', to receive a pile of > disjointed assemblies that remained after the deck had been cannibalized... > > In this case, as I read description literally, I thought the was maybe > trifle ambiguous, but far from an outright lie. In addition, he did state > that it had been used for 100 hours. In ebay terms, this seller walks on > water... > > -- Ron > > > > Shaun Montgomery wrote: >>> ..The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it >> was in new condition. There is a difference..< >> >> What appears next was lifted off the Ebay item page and is clear and >> unequivocal. >> >> Description >> Item Specifics - Item Condition >> Condition: New >> >> It does not say "..it was in new condition"; not on anywhere on the >> page. >> >> As you said, there is a difference. >> >> Shaun >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of Ron >> Sent: 16 November 2006 14:02 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar >> >> >> >> Life of diamond tips is over 1000 hours. 100 hours are nothing for a >> stylus, it still has more than 90% of its life ahead of it. I am not >> so sure about the cantilever damping material. Depending on storage >> conditions, it could still be like new or it could be useless. >> >> Except for the stylus assembly, there is nothing to >> refurbish in a phono cartridge. >> >> The seller did not say the cartridge was new. He said it >> was in new condition. There is a difference. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> Hi Kermit, >>> >>> It isn't rigid thinking - a cart with 100 hours mileage is as good >>> as discarded and is in for either new stylus (MM) or refurbish+new >>> stylus (MC). >>> >>> Bala >>> >>> */Kermit Gray /* wrote: >>> >>> Hello fellow Nakaphiles, >>> >>> Someone on eBay is selling what they claim is, "This may be the last >>> Nakamichi MC-500 ever sold in the US. I bought this brand new off the >>> warehouse shelf when I worked for Nakamichi in 1991. It was the last >>> one we had...." The seller lists the condition as new, then states >>> in the description, "I estimate that this cartridge has about 100 >>> hours of use." >>> >>> Pardon my rigidity of thought but if an item has 100 hours use then >>> it is no longer new. >>> >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-MC-500-MC500-Moving-Coil- >>> >>> Cartridge_W0QQitemZ120053784788QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64620QQssPageNameZW >>> D >>> VW >>> >>> QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120053784788 >>> >>> >>> Kermit Gray >>> KVG Laboratories >>> Equipment to make your music better! From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 17 21:30:22 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:30:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: MC-500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455E1BDE.9020301@rcn.com> John Berger wrote: > >From the pictures, it looks to me like a Denon DL-103, which was one of my > favorite cartridges. Unfortunately, the stylus cantilever on mine did not > fare well after the last move, and is kinked to the right about 30 > degrees... The DL-103 was a very nice cartridge, FOR THE PRICE. -- Ron > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Nov 17 21:35:03 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 20:35:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: MC-500 Message-ID: HiHi John, Denon today exist, so my heart fully tip/advise is to contact them, send your damaged cantilever 103 cartridge...I fell that they will repair the damaged & you will able to enjoy again this good sounding MC cartridge! Peace, ALEX! > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:43:22 -0800> From: jberger at well.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] re: MC-500> > Alex wrote:> Hello Folks,> > Please... don't look after old MC cartridges, specially Nakamichi...in> phono> cartridges Nakamichi NEVER produce any phono cartridge somelse made it> with Nak> brand...look forward for a new currently fabricate cartridge, IF you will> need> someday any kind of reparation.> > ---------------------------------> > >From the pictures, it looks to me like a Denon DL-103, which was one of my> favorite cartridges. 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I interpret "Condition: > new" as > "Cartridge is in new condition". You interpret it to mean, "the > cartridge is > New". Obviously, there is a difference... Hey Ron, I enjoyed and appreciated this bit of candor. Now I understand much of what has gone on in discussions on this list. I'm like Shaun and most others in that I do not "interpret" what a person writes; I take it literally and assume they mean what they say. I'll keep in mind you don't, that you "interpret" everything. Now I'm wondering how many disagreements on this list have occurred because you "interpreted" something in a manner differently than the way the writer intended. Fascinating. I actually have no problem with this seller -- he did admit listing the item as new was an error and the description clearly disclosed the degree of wear-and-tear. By the way, eBay has their definition of "New": According to eBay, "An item is considered 'New' when it meets the following guidelines. It is in the original condition from the manufacturer, distributor, or retailer. It has not been refurbished or used for any purpose. It has no known defects or damages. Handmade or custom-made items that have never been used for any purpose may also be considered 'new.'" I think this is how most of us on this list would "interpret" the word "new." Also, the New Oxford Dictionary defines "New" thusly: "adjective 1. not existing before; made, introduced, or discovered recently or now for the first time. • in original condition; not worn or used. • not previously used or owned. • of recent origin or arrival. • (of food or drink) freshly or recently produced. • (of vegetables) dug or harvested early in the season. 2. already existing but seen, experienced, or acquired recently or now for the first time. 3. just beginning and regarded as better than what went before." Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Nov 17 22:05:15 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:05:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <224FC489-CEF6-4D7E-9C88-13C1FA0A7C9F@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Alex, On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:54 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Please... don't look after old MC cartridges, specially > Nakamichi...in phono cartridges Nakamichi NEVER produce any phono > cartridge somelse made it with Nak brand...look forward for a new > currently fabricate cartridge, IF you will need someday any kind of > reparation. > Good advice overall. On the subject, with apologies for being a bit off-topic, my faithful old Klipsch MCZ-2 moving coil that I bought in 1984 is sounding a bit lifeless. I'm certain the stylus has plent yof life but the recent discussion makes me think that perhaps its suspension elastomer has dried out after twenty-two years. Does anyone know where I can get the cartridge retipped and refurbished? Klipsch tells me that they no longer retip their cartridges, now that Paul Klipsch is gone and the company has new ownership. The reason, they sated, was that there aren't enough of the cartridges left to make it worthwhile to provide the service. Boy I can tell Paul is gone! That attitude wouldn't have existed while he was there! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Nov 18 03:00:41 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:00:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> Message-ID: <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Why didn't you stop payment on the check if you thought you were being ripped off? From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 18 03:18:27 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:18:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> Dennis Orr wrote: > Why didn't you stop payment on the check if you thought you were being > ripped off? My bank charges $20 for a stop payment order. The check was for $17.50. In any case, the point to the story was ebay's response, not the theft itself. As to those whose experience with ebay has been good -- count your blessings. Mine has been pretty abysmal. I suspect that ebay's claim of 1 'problem' (as they call it) in 10,000 (0.01%) is, shall we say, a bending of the truth. -- Ron From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Nov 18 03:21:37 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:21:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> Message-ID: <132001c70ab8$46b81d80$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Sounds like your bank is a bigger ripoff than eBay! HAhahAHAHAHAHA From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 18 04:31:51 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:31:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <224FC489-CEF6-4D7E-9C88-13C1FA0A7C9F@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20061118033151.2346.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Kermit, The best place to send it would be to VdH. Costly, but typically he does the best work with carts other then the original manufacturers themselves. For a 1984, the suspention elastomers, and coil assemblies would need a definite re-work, besides just re-tipping the stylus. It would be like cleaning the heads but leaving the rest of the cassette deck un-checked. Best Regards Bala Ganesh Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Alex, On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:54 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello Folks, Please... don't look after old MC cartridges, specially Nakamichi...in phono cartridges Nakamichi NEVER produce any phono cartridge somelse made it with Nak brand...look forward for a new currently fabricate cartridge, IF you will need someday any kind of reparation. Good advice overall. On the subject, with apologies for being a bit off-topic, my faithful old Klipsch MCZ-2 moving coil that I bought in 1984 is sounding a bit lifeless. I'm certain the stylus has plent yof life but the recent discussion makes me think that perhaps its suspension elastomer has dried out after twenty-two years. Does anyone know where I can get the cartridge retipped and refurbished? Klipsch tells me that they no longer retip their cartridges, now that Paul Klipsch is gone and the company has new ownership. The reason, they sated, was that there aren't enough of the cartridges left to make it worthwhile to provide the service. Boy I can tell Paul is gone! That attitude wouldn't have existed while he was there! 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URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Nov 18 05:29:21 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:29:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> Message-ID: I have to concur with the Ron. I am at 199 feedback,but I can truthfully say that even though I havent had any money problems, that most everything i have I purchased was a dissapointment in one way or another, and everything that I sold the buyer gave me problems with. As far as selling, I only sold personal equipment after I had used the stuff for eons with zero problems and packed it into a box with German Bunker boxing.My descriptions were very conservative and 99 &9/10% truthfull, omitting nothing and not telling any half truths or intentionally commiting sins of omission.I have sort of learned how to deal on ebay though. I judisiciously treat the claims against my merchandice so the buyer knows that compromise is possible, but my integrity is non-negiotable. In every case so far the problems have gone away. As far as buying, I basically learned to expect you are buying something misrepresented or hyped up or sold as is by a seller who is avoiding taking responsibilty for his merchandise.I really cant think of anytime ive opened a box and been 100% happy with my purchase,even being very careful, asking questions and cross referencing availble seller data. That doesnt mean the stuff I get is worthless( ive had very few instances where the seller commit outright fraud) so surprisingly,ive recently learned to "ride the fenceline" on ebay and read between the lines(got to love mixed metaphors, yes?) to pick up some good stuff every so often-ask lots of questions and above all else, never, never(did i say ever?) let your emotions dictate your bids. I havent bought any big ticket items, thats the only real reason Ive been spared from major grief.I made up this phrase-its greek i think..."Caveat Emptor". Dont blame the seller for ripping you off, its your fault in many, if not most instances. On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 20:18:27 -0600, Ron wrote: > > > > Dennis Orr wrote: >> Why didn't you stop payment on the check if you thought you were being >> ripped off? > > My bank charges $20 for a stop payment order. The check was for $17.50. > In any case, the point to the story was ebay's response, > not the theft itself. > > As to those whose experience with ebay has been good -- count > your blessings. Mine has been pretty abysmal. I suspect that > ebay's claim of 1 'problem' (as they call it) in 10,000 > (0.01%) is, shall we say, a bending of the truth. > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 18 06:37:12 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:37:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Origin of Nakamichi MC-500 Message-ID: Hello all, I must admit I've grown fascinated with the Nakamichi MC-500. I'm not planning on bidding on the one selling on eBay, but I'm curious who made it. I agree with Alex, it does look like a Denon DL-103, but I read on audiotools.com that is was an OEM product made by Nakamichi for others then they began putting their own name on it. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 18 06:37:34 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:37:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> Message-ID: <39B47365-7EA8-4B14-90D3-A0A71E15C923@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, >> I suspect that >> ebay's claim of 1 'problem' (as they call it) in 10,000 >> (0.01%) is, shall we say, a bending of the truth. >> >> -- Ron I've got to agree with you on that point! Good example of why one of my teachers in high school referred to statistics as "the truths that lie." The mathematics may be correct, yet the conclusion or the basis of the mathematics may be totally misleading. Consultant a mathematician on this, I'm not a mathematician. 2 + 2 = Not Enough. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Nov 18 06:37:50 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:37:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <20061118033151.2346.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061118033151.2346.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46B2ED2C-8138-4701-BA9B-85CD0D2E7BF3@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Bala, On Nov 17, 2006, at 9:31 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Dear Kermit, > > The best place to send it would be to VdH. Costly, but > typically he does the best work with carts other then the original > manufacturers themselves. For a 1984, the suspention elastomers, > and coil assemblies would need a definite re-work, besides just re- > tipping the stylus. It would be like cleaning the heads but leaving > the rest of the cassette deck un-checked. Good points. I do not mind paying a premium for good work, so I'll send the boxcar to van den Hul. > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > > Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Alex, > On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:54 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > >> Hello Folks, >> >> Please... don't look after old MC cartridges, specially >> Nakamichi...in phono cartridges Nakamichi NEVER produce any phono >> cartridge somelse made it with Nak brand...look forward for a new >> currently fabricate cartridge, IF you will need someday any kind >> of reparation. >> > > Good advice overall. > > On the subject, with apologies for being a bit off-topic, my > faithful old Klipsch MCZ-2 moving coil that I bought in 1984 is > sounding a bit lifeless. I'm certain the stylus has plent yof life > but the recent discussion makes me think that perhaps its > suspension elastomer has dried out after twenty-two years. > > Does anyone know where I can get the cartridge retipped and > refurbished? Klipsch tells me that they no longer retip their > cartridges, now that Paul Klipsch is gone and the company has new > ownership. The reason, they sated, was that there aren't enough of > the cartridges left to make it worthwhile to provide the service. > Boy I can tell Paul is gone! That attitude wouldn't have existed > while he was there! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Nov 18 12:57:39 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:57:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <20061118033151.2346.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alternatively, you might send it to The Cartridge Man. I forget his address but a quick search will find him. He has a very good reputation in the UK. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 18 November 2006 03:32 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar Dear Kermit, The best place to send it would be to VdH. Costly, but typically he does the best work with carts other then the original manufacturers themselves. For a 1984, the suspention elastomers, and coil assemblies would need a definite re-work, besides just re-tipping the stylus. It would be like cleaning the heads but leaving the rest of the cassette deck un-checked. Best Regards Bala Ganesh Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Alex, On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:54 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello Folks, Please... don't look after old MC cartridges, specially Nakamichi...in phono cartridges Nakamichi NEVER produce any phono cartridge somelse made it with Nak brand...look forward for a new currently fabricate cartridge, IF you will need someday any kind of reparation. Good advice overall. On the subject, with apologies for being a bit off-topic, my faithful old Klipsch MCZ-2 moving coil that I bought in 1984 is sounding a bit lifeless. I'm certain the stylus has plent yof life but the recent discussion makes me think that perhaps its suspension elastomer has dried out after twenty-two years. Does anyone know where I can get the cartridge retipped and refurbished? Klipsch tells me that they no longer retip their cartridges, now that Paul Klipsch is gone and the company has new ownership. The reason, they sated, was that there aren't enough of the cartridges left to make it worthwhile to provide the service. Boy I can tell Paul is gone! That attitude wouldn't have existed while he was there! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Nov 18 13:04:00 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:04:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ummm ... I think it's Latin. Personally, I've had very very few problems with eBay purchases and the only major problem was when I cocked-up when selling two cartridges and mixed them up in the packing, sending each to the wrong buyers! I was very lucky not to get negative feedback but I refunded the cost to one buyer plus a bonus and the other guy got the better cartridge anyway - the swine refused to give it back! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jerryjg Sent: 18 November 2006 04:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar I made up this phrase-its greek i think..."Caveat Emptor". Dont blame the seller for ripping you off, its your fault in many, if not most instances. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sat Nov 18 13:21:28 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:21:28 +0000 Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com><121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle><455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> Message-ID: <455EFAC8.7090701@whiteapple.u-net.com> RE. I made up this phrase-its greek i think..."Caveat Emptor". I think you may find that someone get there first in respect to this! Cheers. Doug. jerryjg wrote: > I have to concur with the Ron. I am at 199 > feedback,but I can truthfully say that even though I havent had any > money problems, that most everything i have I purchased was a > dissapointment in one way or another, and everything that I sold the > buyer gave me problems with. As far as selling, I only sold personal > equipment after I had used the stuff for eons with zero problems and > packed it into a box with German Bunker boxing.My descriptions were > very conservative and 99 &9/10% truthfull, omitting nothing and not > telling any half truths or intentionally commiting sins of omission.I > have sort of learned how to deal on ebay though. I judisiciously > treat the claims against my merchandice so the buyer knows that > compromise is possible, but my integrity is non-negiotable. In every > case so far the problems have gone away. As far as buying, I basically > learned to expect you are buying something misrepresented or hyped up > or sold as is by a seller who is avoiding taking responsibilty for his > merchandise.I really cant think of anytime ive opened a box and been > 100% happy with my purchase,even being very careful, asking questions > and cross referencing availble seller data. That doesnt mean the stuff > I get is worthless( ive had very few instances where the seller commit > outright fraud) so surprisingly,ive recently learned to "ride the > fenceline" on ebay and read between the lines(got to love mixed > metaphors, yes?) to pick up some good stuff every so often-ask lots of > questions and above all else, never, never(did i say ever?) let your > emotions dictate your bids. I havent bought any big ticket items, > thats the only real reason Ive been spared from major grief.I made up > this phrase-its greek i think..."Caveat Emptor". Dont blame the seller > for ripping you off, its your fault in many, if not most > instances. > On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 20:18:27 -0600, Ron wrote: > >> >> >> >> Dennis Orr wrote: >>> Why didn't you stop payment on the check if you thought you were >>> being ripped off? >> >> My bank charges $20 for a stop payment order. The check was for >> $17.50. In any case, the point to the story was ebay's response, >> not the theft itself. >> >> As to those whose experience with ebay has been good -- count >> your blessings. Mine has been pretty abysmal. I suspect that >> ebay's claim of 1 'problem' (as they call it) in 10,000 >> (0.01%) is, shall we say, a bending of the truth. >> >> -- Ron >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > > > -- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Nov 18 14:21:49 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:21:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar Message-ID: My always dears Kermit, Bala & Gra' First to you Kermit...the very old Klipsch MCZ-2, among us is a waste of money re-ttiping or trying to "Revive" him with a new "Suspension Elastomers" as our lovely erudite Bala wrote, sory my good buddy Kermit...but I always love to say the truth...as Bala wrote it's a LOT of work to do inside....maybe also the coils are after so long corroded...etc...! NO...Kermit...kept as an a "Museum" item & look for a new one...as since you acquired your Klipsch MCZ-2 today MC cartridges sound much...really much better that at that era. Kermit is my sincere/heart fully tip! Now to you my other buddy Gra'...don't forget...that Kermit lives in USA...and you wrote of a repairman living in UK...so my tip is to write first to "The Cartridge Man"...asking him if will accept such old cartridge? Peace to all of you always!ALEX! From: grahamanelson at googlemail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcarDate: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:57:39 +0000 Alternatively, you might send it to The Cartridge Man. I forget his address but a quick search will find him. He has a very good reputation in the UK. Gra' -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh ChandraSent: 18 November 2006 03:32To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcarDear Kermit, The best place to send it would be to VdH. Costly, but typically he does the best work with carts other then the original manufacturers themselves. For a 1984, the suspention elastomers, and coil assemblies would need a definite re-work, besides just re-tipping the stylus. It would be like cleaning the heads but leaving the rest of the cassette deck un-checked. Best RegardsBala GaneshKermit Gray wrote: Hi Alex, On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:54 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello Folks, Please... don't look after old MC cartridges, specially Nakamichi...in phono cartridges Nakamichi NEVER produce any phono cartridge somelse made it with Nak brand...look forward for a new currently fabricate cartridge, IF you will need someday any kind of reparation. Good advice overall. On the subject, with apologies for being a bit off-topic, my faithful old Klipsch MCZ-2 moving coil that I bought in 1984 is sounding a bit lifeless. I'm certain the stylus has plent yof life but the recent discussion makes me think that perhaps its suspension elastomer has dried out after twenty-two years. Does anyone know where I can get the cartridge retipped and refurbished? Klipsch tells me that they no longer retip their cartridges, now that Paul Klipsch is gone and the company has new ownership. The reason, they sated, was that there aren't enough of the cartridges left to make it worthwhile to provide the service. Boy I can tell Paul is gone! That attitude wouldn't have existed while he was there! 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URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sat Nov 18 14:44:23 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:44:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455F0E37.2010709@snet.net> Just to add a couple of cents worth. There are still quite a few people out there who will argue that unless you've got upwards of $1000 or more to spend (Shelter, VdH, Benz, etc...), many of the older carts were of higher build quality... simple economics of inflation combined with the fact that quantity production allowed for lower cost for a given level of performance. Remember, I'm talking about sanely priced mass produced carts, not boutique hand made. I will add that while I have owned modern Grado wood body, Benz Glider, Clearaudio, and last Shure V15 type in recent years, my ears (and VPI w/TNT platter) have preferred an old Dynavector Ruby and Accuphase by a good margin. Yes, suspensions can (and will) go bad over time and diamonds aren't forever. While I have encountered many cartridges that haven't aged well, I've also encountered as many that have. Alex Cozac wrote: > My always dears Kermit, Bala & Gra' > > First to you Kermit...the very old Klipsch MCZ-2, among us is a waste > of money re-ttiping or trying to "Revive" him with a new "Suspension > Elastomers" as our lovely erudite Bala wrote, sory my good buddy > Kermit...but I always love to say the truth...as Bala wrote it's a LOT > of work to do inside....maybe also the coils are after so long > corroded...etc...! NO...Kermit...kept as an a "Museum" item & look for > a new one...as since you acquired your Klipsch MCZ-2 today MC > cartridges sound much...really much better that at that era. Kermit is > my sincere/heart fully tip! > > > Now to you my other buddy Gra'...don't forget...that Kermit lives in > USA...and you wrote of a repairman living in UK...so my tip is to > write first to "The Cartridge Man"...asking him if will accept such > old cartridge? > > Peace to all of you always! > > ALEX! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:57:39 +0000 > > Alternatively, you might send it to The Cartridge Man. I forget > his address but a quick search will find him. He has a very > good reputation in the UK. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 18 November 2006 03:32 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > > Dear Kermit, > > The best place to send it would be to VdH. Costly, but > typically he does the best work with carts other then the > original manufacturers themselves. For a 1984, the suspention > elastomers, and coil assemblies would need a definite re-work, > besides just re-tipping the stylus. It would be like cleaning > the heads but leaving the rest of the cassette deck un-checked. > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > > Kermit Gray wrote: > > Hi Alex, > On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:54 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > > Hello Folks, > > Please... don't look after old MC cartridges, > specially Nakamichi...in phono cartridges Nakamichi > NEVER produce any phono cartridge somelse made it with > Nak brand...look forward for a new currently fabricate > cartridge, IF you will need someday any kind of > reparation. > > > > Good advice overall. > > On the subject, with apologies for being a bit off-topic, > my faithful old Klipsch MCZ-2 moving coil that I bought in > 1984 is sounding a bit lifeless. I'm certain the stylus > has plent yof life but the recent discussion makes me > think that perhaps its suspension elastomer has dried out > after twenty-two years. > > Does anyone know where I can get the cartridge retipped > and refurbished? Klipsch tells me that they no longer > retip their cartridges, now that Paul Klipsch is gone and > the company has new ownership. The reason, they sated, was > that there aren't enough of the cartridges left to make it > worthwhile to provide the service. Boy I can tell Paul is > gone! That attitude wouldn't have existed while he was there! > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo > - Calculate new house payment > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day > trial! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 18 14:51:27 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:51:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <132001c70ab8$46b81d80$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> <132001c70ab8$46b81d80$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <455F0FDF.1070901@rcn.com> Dennis Orr wrote: > Sounds like your bank is a bigger ripoff than eBay! HAhahAHAHAHAHA If you live in the US, so is your bank. And exactly what does your smart ha-ha-ha mean? From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 18 15:00:39 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:00:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <39B47365-7EA8-4B14-90D3-A0A71E15C923@woods-and-waters.com> References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> <39B47365-7EA8-4B14-90D3-A0A71E15C923@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <455F1207.3090602@rcn.com> Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Ron, > >>> I suspect that >>> ebay's claim of 1 'problem' (as they call it) in 10,000 >>> (0.01%) is, shall we say, a bending of the truth. >>> >>> -- Ron > > I've got to agree with you on that point! Good example of why one of my > teachers in high school referred to statistics as "the truths that lie." > The mathematics may be correct, yet the conclusion or the basis of the > mathematics may be totally misleading. Consultant a mathematician on > this, I'm not a mathematician. 2 + 2 = Not Enough. > Have you heard of the mathematician that drowned in a lake whose average depth was 2"? -- Ron > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! From salimarz at telkom.net Sat Nov 18 17:50:17 2006 From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marz) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:50:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar References: Message-ID: <003601c70b31$a0b3a7e0$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Hey Gra' ... do let me know if you're running double auction again ... I'd bid the lesser item and by statistics will get the other one. =) On topic: I don't have much choice being located on the other side of globe ... not much good used electronics locally. With this very low 'base number' to begin, I almost always got excited for every ebay items that arrived here ! My ebay experience have been quite well so far, even for one sloppily packed turntable that was ground shipped from Canada (bought Shure stylus and got the attached turntable for free =) I did however gauge the seller from pre-bid emails, if he/she was also excited about the auction then I would gladly put my bid. Sorry to hear about your ebay experience Ron ... seems like the lord of stats are pulling your leg and lump all 0.01% toward your purchase. =) Just kidding !! Good thing the amount was never cashed. take care, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > Ummm ... I think it's Latin. > > Personally, I've had very very few problems with eBay purchases and the only > major problem was when I cocked-up when selling two cartridges and mixed > them up in the packing, sending each to the wrong buyers! I was very lucky > not to get negative feedback but I refunded the cost to one buyer plus a > bonus and the other guy got the better cartridge anyway - the swine refused > to give it back! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of jerryjg > Sent: 18 November 2006 04:29 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > > > I made up this > phrase-its greek i think..."Caveat Emptor". 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As far as I can tell, all operational routines are functioning correctly, but there is an issue that I seek help with: The bulb inside the cassette door is out. The manual says that it's 14V 50mA, but can anyone help with what type of bulb it is and how it is fitted - is it pre wired, screw, bayonet etc? Many thanks in anticipation. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Nov 19 00:36:55 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:36:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No problem, Alex - The Cartridge Man deals internationally. Indeed, I heard his own hand made cartridges (moving iron) are mostly exported to the US. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 18 November 2006 13:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar My always dears Kermit, Bala & Gra' First to you Kermit...the very old Klipsch MCZ-2, among us is a waste of money re-ttiping or trying to "Revive" him with a new "Suspension Elastomers" as our lovely erudite Bala wrote, sory my good buddy Kermit...but I always love to say the truth...as Bala wrote it's a LOT of work to do inside....maybe also the coils are after so long corroded...etc...! NO...Kermit...kept as an a "Museum" item & look for a new one...as since you acquired your Klipsch MCZ-2 today MC cartridges sound much...really much better that at that era. Kermit is my sincere/heart fully tip! Now to you my other buddy Gra'...don't forget...that Kermit lives in USA...and you wrote of a repairman living in UK...so my tip is to write first to "The Cartridge Man"...asking him if will accept such old cartridge? Peace to all of you always! ALEX! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sun Nov 19 00:40:54 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:40:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> <132001c70ab8$46b81d80$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455F0FDF.1070901@rcn.com> Message-ID: <16f501c70b6a$fd0f5d70$9e274446@a72400shuttle> > If you live in the US, so is your bank. And > exactly what does your smart ha-ha-ha mean? > Obviously you are too involved in the transaction to find the humor, but I find it hilarious that the bank can legally charge you more than what the thief stole for you. And no, I don't live in the US, thanks. If that's a problem for you, well then too bad. From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Nov 19 02:20:49 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 02:20:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:18:27 -0500, Ron wrote: > > > >Dennis Orr wrote: >> Why didn't you stop payment on the check if you thought you were being >> ripped off? > >My bank charges $20 for a stop payment order. The check was for >$17.50. In any case, the point to the story was ebay's response, >not the theft itself. OK I'd have paid the extra $2.5 not to let the bstard have the satisfaction of ripping me off. >As to those whose experience with ebay has been good -- count >your blessings. Mine has been pretty abysmal. I suspect that >ebay's claim of 1 'problem' (as they call it) in 10,000 >(0.01%) is, shall we say, a bending of the truth. aka abstraction from reality. Actually they may base that on the number of of complaints related to some tiny type of commodity of their services. Like 1 of 10000 auctions develop an error in the listing. There may be more errors with auctions but only 1 of 10000 errors in listings lead to a complain they follwo up on. You know statistics was developed to shine light in other directions than where the light would bring sense to something. You know, you can always compare sales figures to a really bad year and serve it to your stockholders ;) -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Nov 19 02:24:24 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 02:24:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:29:21 -0600, jerryjg wrote: >I havent bought any big ticket items, thats >the only real reason Ive been spared from major grief.I made up this >phrase-its greek i think..."Caveat Emptor". Dont blame the seller for >ripping you off, its your fault in many, if not most >instances. Caveat emptor is Latin for "let the buyer beware". (wikipedia.org) -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Nov 19 02:26:13 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 02:26:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <39B47365-7EA8-4B14-90D3-A0A71E15C923@woods-and-waters.com> References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> <39B47365-7EA8-4B14-90D3-A0A71E15C923@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:37:34 -0600, Kermit Gray wrote: >I'm not a mathematician. 2 + 2 = Not Enough. Here in Denmark something at 2 plus another thing at 2 makes 5 -Mikkel, because our sales tax is 25 percent. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Nov 19 03:09:02 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:09:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> Message-ID: <455FBCBE.9000402@rcn.com> Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:18:27 -0500, Ron wrote: >> >> Dennis Orr wrote: >>> Why didn't you stop payment on the check if you thought you were being >>> ripped off? >> My bank charges $20 for a stop payment order. The check was for >> $17.50. In any case, the point to the story was ebay's response, >> not the theft itself. > > OK I'd have paid the extra $2.5 not to let the bstard have the satisfaction of > ripping me off. At the time, it wasn't clear that a ripoff was in the making. Even if it was, I didn't have the time or inclination to deal with it. Many small time thieves on ebay bet on the victim not wishing to deal with the loss of petty cash. In many cases -- including mine -- the scumbag was right. To repeat: I am not that concerned with the loss, but rather, with ebay's refusal to deal with thefts, thereby actually encouraging crooks. Ebay will deal with ripoffs if -- and only if -- they become bad for business. For now it's obviously cheaper for them to pretend ripoffs do not exist than acknowledge the problem and deal with it. -- Ron >> As to those whose experience with ebay has been good -- count >> your blessings. Mine has been pretty abysmal. I suspect that >> ebay's claim of 1 'problem' (as they call it) in 10,000 >> (0.01%) is, shall we say, a bending of the truth. > > aka abstraction from reality. > > Actually they may base that on the number of of complaints related to some tiny type > of commodity of their services. Like 1 of 10000 auctions develop an error in the > listing. There may be more errors with auctions but only 1 of 10000 errors in > listings lead to a complain they follwo up on. > > You know statistics was developed to shine light in other directions than where the > light would bring sense to something. > > You know, you can always compare sales figures to a really bad year and serve it to > your stockholders ;) > > -Mikkel From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Nov 19 03:19:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:19:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <16f501c70b6a$fd0f5d70$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> <132001c70ab8$46b81d80$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455F0FDF.1070901@rcn.com> <16f501c70b6a$fd0f5d70$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <455FBF1B.202@rcn.com> Dennis Orr wrote: > >> If you live in the US, so is your bank. And >> exactly what does your smart ha-ha-ha mean? >> > > Obviously you are too involved in the transaction to find the humor > but I find it hilarious that the bank can legally charge you more > than what the thief stole for you. Count yourself lucky that what others find mundane brings you such mirth. > And no, I don't live in the US, thanks. If that's a problem for you, > well then too bad. No, actually, I am relieved. -- Ron From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sun Nov 19 03:55:26 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:55:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> <132001c70ab8$46b81d80$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455F0FDF.1070901@rcn.com> <16f501c70b6a$fd0f5d70$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455FBF1B.202@rcn.com> Message-ID: <176f01c70b86$2a26d660$9e274446@a72400shuttle> > No, actually, I am relieved. > > -- Ron Not as relieved as I am..... From weaverhb at gmail.com Sun Nov 19 04:18:53 2006 From: weaverhb at gmail.com (Herb Beddoe) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:18:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: References: <001401c70a28$541af190$7300a8c0@Shaun> <455E1B57.7060802@rcn.com> <121501c70ab5$59def210$9e274446@a72400shuttle> <455E6D73.5010503@rcn.com> Message-ID: <420479db0611181918m53f6af4dia42642a11ed26ccb@mail.gmail.com> What in the F*******K is this allabout and whathef********k does it have to do with me, huh? On 11/18/06, Mikkel Breiler wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:18:27 -0500, Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dennis Orr wrote: > >> Why didn't you stop payment on the check if you thought you were being > >> ripped off? > > > >My bank charges $20 for a stop payment order. The check was for > >$17.50. In any case, the point to the story was ebay's response, > >not the theft itself. > > OK I'd have paid the extra $2.5 not to let the bstard have the > satisfaction of > ripping me off. > > >As to those whose experience with ebay has been good -- count > >your blessings. Mine has been pretty abysmal. I suspect that > >ebay's claim of 1 'problem' (as they call it) in 10,000 > >(0.01%) is, shall we say, a bending of the truth. > > aka abstraction from reality. > > Actually they may base that on the number of of complaints related to some > tiny type > of commodity of their services. Like 1 of 10000 auctions develop an error > in the > listing. There may be more errors with auctions but only 1 of 10000 errors > in > listings lead to a complain they follwo up on. > > You know statistics was developed to shine light in other directions than > where the > light would bring sense to something. > > You know, you can always compare sales figures to a really bad year and > serve it to > your stockholders ;) > > -Mikkel > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 19 05:38:43 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:38:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061119043843.42388.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Alex, Always putting forth the wise advice! Kermit really likes this cart, and hence this are the important things he can do. On most fronts, maintaining the equipment needed to manufacture and service carts are not cheap nor easy. Even cleaning the basic cart frame requires specialized equipment and autoclaves. Thus I would understand the reason for why carts have become specialized manufacture items. Adding truth to Alex's words may be my own experience with my Lyra Clavis. Just within 5 years it's sound had detoriated without me realizing it. However, it had been substatially worn, I was forced to replace it with a Helikon (the cart that replaces the Clavis in the product line-up). The sound was just so different! Most of us do not imgine the things happening within the minute cart body, but its as forceful and fast as a car engine, minus the engine oil to aid lubrication and cooling.. They need regular service and extreme care too.. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Graham Nelson wrote: P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } No problem, Alex - The Cartridge Man deals internationally. Indeed, I heard his own hand made cartridges (moving iron) are mostly exported to the US. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 18 November 2006 13:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar My always dears Kermit, Bala & Gra' First to you Kermit...the very old Klipsch MCZ-2, among us is a waste of money re-ttiping or trying to "Revive" him with a new "Suspension Elastomers" as our lovely erudite Bala wrote, sory my good buddy Kermit...but I always love to say the truth...as Bala wrote it's a LOT of work to do inside....maybe also the coils are after so long corroded...etc...! NO...Kermit...kept as an a "Museum" item & look for a new one...as since you acquired your Klipsch MCZ-2 today MC cartridges sound much...really much better that at that era. Kermit is my sincere/heart fully tip! Now to you my other buddy Gra'...don't forget...that Kermit lives in USA...and you wrote of a repairman living in UK...so my tip is to write first to "The Cartridge Man"...asking him if will accept such old cartridge? Peace to all of you always! ALEX! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Nov 19 07:02:22 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:02:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar Message-ID: My Dear Gra' OK...I agree with you statement, however is something different to sold a "New" cartridge that work hard inside such old one as Kermit own! For so my tip was to ask first; how much will cost & most important "IF"...he will accept such old transducer? Have a nice weekend, my dear Buddy! ALEX! From: grahamanelson at googlemail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcarDate: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:36:55 +0000 No problem, Alex - The Cartridge Man deals internationally. Indeed, I heard his own hand made cartridges (moving iron) are mostly exported to the US. Gra' -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex CozacSent: 18 November 2006 13:22To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcarMy always dears Kermit, Bala & Gra' First to you Kermit...the very old Klipsch MCZ-2, among us is a waste of money re-ttiping or trying to "Revive" him with a new "Suspension Elastomers" as our lovely erudite Bala wrote, sory my good buddy Kermit...but I always love to say the truth...as Bala wrote it's a LOT of work to do inside....maybe also the coils are after so long corroded...etc...! NO...Kermit...kept as an a "Museum" item & look for a new one...as since you acquired your Klipsch MCZ-2 today MC cartridges sound much...really much better that at that era. Kermit is my sincere/heart fully tip! Now to you my other buddy Gra'...don't forget...that Kermit lives in USA...and you wrote of a repairman living in UK...so my tip is to write first to "The Cartridge Man"...asking him if will accept such old cartridge? Peace to all of you always!ALEX! _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Nov 19 07:06:06 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:06:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Dragon Message-ID: Dear Ben, Congratulations...enjoy it! My tip is first of all to "Clean" all the pots...so move forward & back at least 20 times powered OFF, all the knobs to "Self-Clean" them! You will surprised how the improvements will be after such "Easy" treatment. Peace,ALEX! From: Benstratford at aol.comDate: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:39:18 -0500To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Ebay Dragon Hi all, Received my first Dragon today - WOW. It is in excellent condition, much better than expected for the price and sounds amazing. As far as I can tell, all operational routines are functioning correctly, but there is an issue that I seek help with: The bulb inside the cassette door is out. The manual says that it's 14V 50mA, but can anyone help with what type of bulb it is and how it is fitted - is it pre wired, screw, bayonet etc? Many thanks in anticipation. Ben _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Nov 19 07:13:07 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:13:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar Message-ID: Dear Edward, Yes I agree also with your statement, but in the "Unique" case of our beloved friend & member Kermit, his specific cartridge, was NO so popularly, an of course will NOT sold in great quantity...for so my tip was to ask to "The Cartridge Man"...will accept such "Reviver" job? Best wishes, ALEX! Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:44:23 -0500From: enoyes at snet.netTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar Just to add a couple of cents worth. There are still quite a few people out there who will argue that unless you've got upwards of $1000 or more to spend (Shelter, VdH, Benz, etc...), many of the older carts were of higher build quality... simple economics of inflation combined with the fact that quantity production allowed for lower cost for a given level of performance. Remember, I'm talking about sanely priced mass produced carts, not boutique hand made.I will add that while I have owned modern Grado wood body, Benz Glider, Clearaudio, and last Shure V15 type in recent years, my ears (and VPI w/TNT platter) have preferred an old Dynavector Ruby and Accuphase by a good margin. Yes, suspensions can (and will) go bad over time and diamonds aren't forever. While I have encountered many cartridges that haven't aged well, I've also encountered as many that have.Alex Cozac wrote: My always dears Kermit, Bala & Gra' First to you Kermit...the very old Klipsch MCZ-2, among us is a waste of money re-ttiping or trying to "Revive" him with a new "Suspension Elastomers" as our lovely erudite Bala wrote, sory my good buddy Kermit...but I always love to say the truth...as Bala wrote it's a LOT of work to do inside....maybe also the coils are after so long corroded...etc...! NO...Kermit...kept as an a "Museum" item & look for a new one...as since you acquired your Klipsch MCZ-2 today MC cartridges sound much...really much better that at that era. Kermit is my sincere/heart fully tip! Now to you my other buddy Gra'...don't forget...that Kermit lives in USA...and you wrote of a repairman living in UK...so my tip is to write first to "The Cartridge Man"...asking him if will accept such old cartridge? Peace to all of you always!ALEX! From: grahamanelson at googlemail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcarDate: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:57:39 +0000 Alternatively, you might send it to The Cartridge Man. I forget his address but a quick search will find him. He has a very good reputation in the UK. Gra' -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh ChandraSent: 18 November 2006 03:32To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcarDear Kermit, The best place to send it would be to VdH. Costly, but typically he does the best work with carts other then the original manufacturers themselves. For a 1984, the suspention elastomers, and coil assemblies would need a definite re-work, besides just re-tipping the stylus. It would be like cleaning the heads but leaving the rest of the cassette deck un-checked. Best RegardsBala GaneshKermit Gray wrote: Hi Alex, On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:54 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello Folks, Please... don't look after old MC cartridges, specially Nakamichi...in phono cartridges Nakamichi NEVER produce any phono cartridge somelse made it with Nak brand...look forward for a new currently fabricate cartridge, IF you will need someday any kind of reparation. Good advice overall. On the subject, with apologies for being a bit off-topic, my faithful old Klipsch MCZ-2 moving coil that I bought in 1984 is sounding a bit lifeless. I'm certain the stylus has plent yof life but the recent discussion makes me think that perhaps its suspension elastomer has dried out after twenty-two years. Does anyone know where I can get the cartridge retipped and refurbished? Klipsch tells me that they no longer retip their cartridges, now that Paul Klipsch is gone and the company has new ownership. The reason, they sated, was that there aren't enough of the cartridges left to make it worthwhile to provide the service. Boy I can tell Paul is gone! That attitude wouldn't have existed while he was there! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Sponsored LinkMortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! 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The Cartridge Man not only manufacturers his own cartridges and re-tips old ones, I understand he renovates old ones internally and, in some cases, can offer modifications to improve them. Wishing you a good weekend, too - although it's almost over! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 19 November 2006 06:02 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar My Dear Gra' OK...I agree with you statement, however is something different to sold a "New" cartridge that work hard inside such old one as Kermit own! For so my tip was to ask first; how much will cost & most important "IF"...he will accept such old transducer? Have a nice weekend, my dear Buddy! ALEX! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:36:55 +0000 No problem, Alex - The Cartridge Man deals internationally. Indeed, I heard his own hand made cartridges (moving iron) are mostly exported to the US. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 18 November 2006 13:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar My always dears Kermit, Bala & Gra' First to you Kermit...the very old Klipsch MCZ-2, among us is a waste of money re-ttiping or trying to "Revive" him with a new "Suspension Elastomers" as our lovely erudite Bala wrote, sory my good buddy Kermit...but I always love to say the truth...as Bala wrote it's a LOT of work to do inside....maybe also the coils are after so long corroded...etc...! NO...Kermit...kept as an a "Museum" item & look for a new one...as since you acquired your Klipsch MCZ-2 today MC cartridges sound much...really much better that at that era. Kermit is my sincere/heart fully tip! Now to you my other buddy Gra'...don't forget...that Kermit lives in USA...and you wrote of a repairman living in UK...so my tip is to write first to "The Cartridge Man"...asking him if will accept such old cartridge? Peace to all of you always! ALEX! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search Try it now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sun Nov 19 14:52:05 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:22:05 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Use of Dolby NR References: <200611190614.kAJ6Dvkg012509@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002201c70be1$e7870080$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi all I understand the Dolby B/C NR is to be used in the recording machine when recording via Line-in .. but i dont see much signal difference when switching it off / on while doing a recording ... is this a calibration issue ? Best Soiumi From kh1 at khherrmann.de Sun Nov 19 18:14:19 2006 From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:14:19 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] Use of Dolby NR In-Reply-To: <002201c70be1$e7870080$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200611190614.kAJ6Dvkg012509@zxe.naks.com> <002201c70be1$e7870080$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <20061119181418.1ccb67ca.kh1@khherrmann.de> Hi, On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:22:05 +0530 wrote: > I understand the Dolby B/C NR is to be used in the recording machine when > recording via Line-in .. but i dont see much signal difference when > switching it off / on while doing a recording ... is this a calibration > issue ? Dolby works by changing the frequency distribution of the incoming signal before it goes to the tape (increasing treble) and does the reverse on playback. So if you listen on a 3-head NAK directly to the incoming you hear incoming only. If you listen after-tape you hear the endolbied-recorded-played_back-dedolbied signal -- which should have less noise but be otherwise identical to the incoming signal. On 2-head decks you don't have the after-tape option and will not hear *any* difference due to dobly while recording. K.-H. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Nov 19 18:21:57 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:21:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <224FC489-CEF6-4D7E-9C88-13C1FA0A7C9F@woods-and-waters.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061119112157.00835e30@earthlink.net> van Den Hul is the only company I am aware of. I do not have contact info. Sorry. Their diamonds are tip top. tom brucker At 03:05 PM 11/17/06 -0600, you wrote: >>>> Hi Alex, On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:54 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello Folks,   Please... don't look after old MC cartridges, specially Nakamichi...in phono cartridges Nakamichi NEVER produce any phono cartridge somelse made it with Nak brand...look forward for a new currently fabricate cartridge, IF you will need someday any kind of reparation.   Good advice overall.  On the subject, with apologies for being a bit off-topic, my faithful old Klipsch MCZ-2 moving coil that I bought in 1984 is sounding a bit lifeless. I'm certain the stylus has plent yof life but the recent discussion makes me think that perhaps its suspension elastomer has dried out after twenty-two years.  Does anyone know where I can get the cartridge retipped and refurbished? Klipsch tells me that they no longer retip their cartridges, now that Paul Klipsch is gone and the company has new ownership. The reason, they sated, was that there aren't enough of the cartridges left to make it worthwhile to provide the service. Boy I can tell Paul is gone! That attitude wouldn't have existed while he was there!  Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sun Nov 19 20:11:23 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 00:41:23 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Use of Dolby NR Message-ID: <003001c70c0e$82d633e0$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi Karl Im recording to a 3 head DR2 .. with the Dolby ON So what im hearing is actually the recording that is a) Dolby Encoded b) Dolby encoded and dolby decoded, which means there is essentially no change in signal but lower noise ? Thanks Soumi From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Nov 19 20:13:40 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:13:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4560ACE4.5030500@rcn.com> Graham, I am a bit confused here... What's to renovate internally in a cartridge? Tips need replacement (because they wear) and cantilever suspensions may need replacement (because they dry and harden). What else to renovate? -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > Point taken Alex. > > The Cartridge Man not only manufacturers his own cartridges and re-tips > old ones, I understand he renovates old ones internally and, in some > cases, can offer modifications to improve them. > > Wishing you a good weekend, too - although it's almost over! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *Alex Cozac > *Sent:* 19 November 2006 06:02 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > > My Dear Gra' > > OK...I agree with you statement, however is something different to > sold a "New" cartridge that work hard inside such old one as Kermit > own! For so my tip was to ask first; how much will cost & most > important "IF"...he will accept such old transducer? > > Have a nice weekend, my dear Buddy! > > ALEX! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:36:55 +0000 > > No problem, Alex - The Cartridge Man deals internationally. > Indeed, I heard his own hand made cartridges (moving iron) are > mostly exported to the US. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *Alex Cozac > *Sent:* 18 November 2006 13:22 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > > My always dears Kermit, Bala & Gra' > > First to you Kermit...the very old Klipsch MCZ-2, among us > is a waste of money re-ttiping or trying to "Revive" him > with a new "Suspension Elastomers" as our lovely erudite > Bala wrote, sory my good buddy Kermit...but I always love to > say the truth...as Bala wrote it's a LOT of work to do > inside....maybe also the coils are after so long > corroded...etc...! NO...Kermit...kept as an a "Museum" item > & look for a new one...as since you acquired your Klipsch > MCZ-2 today MC cartridges sound much...really much better > that at that era. Kermit is my sincere/heart fully tip! > > > Now to you my other buddy Gra'...don't forget...that Kermit > lives in USA...and you wrote of a repairman living in > UK...so my tip is to write first to "The Cartridge > Man"...asking him if will accept such old cartridge? > > Peace to all of you always! > > ALEX! > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Nov 19 21:26:58 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:26:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project Message-ID: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other brands. Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, the 'wired' solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of multiple Naks is the ultimate. I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet lately... So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. I think there will be a demand for such a unit. Any ideas? Wouter From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Nov 19 22:54:18 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:54:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: <4560ACE4.5030500@rcn.com> Message-ID: Dunno, Ron, I'm just repeating what I thought I heard! Presumable the guts of MC, MM and MI cartridges differ in some respect other than just having a cantilever, suspension and stylus ... (Should we not transfer this discussion to AudioTalk? It's a bit OT for NakTalk.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 19 November 2006 19:14 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar Graham, I am a bit confused here... What's to renovate internally in a cartridge? Tips need replacement (because they wear) and cantilever suspensions may need replacement (because they dry and harden). What else to renovate? -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Nov 19 23:03:56 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:03:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> References: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4560D4CC.7000705@rcn.com> Wouter, This has been discussed several times. If the deck has a wired remote option, then adding a wireless remote control is relatively easy. At the time, I calculated about $100 for both an IR receiver (that will plug into the remote jack on the deck) and a hand held transmitter. IIRC, Nak models have two (or more?) different jacks. The receiver can be built for any one type, to be usable by any deck model that uses that jack pinout. I a deck does not have a remote jack, but is electrically controlled (soft transport buttons), it may be modified by adding a remote jack, but this is not as trivial. -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other brands. > Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, the 'wired' > solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of multiple > Naks is the ultimate. > I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet lately... > > So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? > > I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and > Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. > I think there will be a demand for such a unit. > > Any ideas? > > Wouter From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Nov 19 23:14:11 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:14:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4560D733.7020608@rcn.com> Graham, Oh, OK. MC cartridges have the coils coupled to the cantilever. In the other types the coils are rigidly enclosed in the body. In all cartridges, the coils do not wear out and should require no refurbishing. However, in MC cartridges the coils are handled during stylus replacement. I was just wondering if this was what you referred to as 'refurbishing'. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > Dunno, Ron, I'm just repeating what I thought I heard! Presumable the guts > of MC, MM and MI cartridges differ in some respect other than just having a > cantilever, suspension and stylus ... > > (Should we not transfer this discussion to AudioTalk? It's a bit OT for > NakTalk.) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 19 November 2006 19:14 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar > > > > Graham, > > I am a bit confused here... What's to renovate internally in > a cartridge? Tips need replacement (because they wear) and > cantilever suspensions may need replacement (because they > dry and harden). What else to renovate? > > -- Ron From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Nov 19 23:50:30 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:50:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Use of Dolby NR Message-ID: <3BE92DE2-0D9E-4C13-B73C-BBE529258855@alumni.caltech.edu> Technically, on the 3-head deck you don't hear reduced noise (listening to the played back signal than) relative to the incoming signal; Dolby (or any other "symmetric" noise reduction scheme) doesn't reduce any noise on the incoming signal, it just prevents noise from getting ADDED by the recording process. On an "ideal" deck you would hear all three types of signals sound exactly the same regardless of the Dolby setting. In the real world what happens is the non-Dolby signal should have more audible tape hiss than the incoming signal, The Dolby signal should also have more tape hiss than the incoming, but less than the non-Dolby version. When you switch dolby on and off on a 3-head deck, it switches both the encoder and decoder on and off simultaneously when you switch it. If you listen very carefully at the point when you actually switch it, you should hear the noise floor & high frequencies increase (Dolby off) or decrease (Dolby on) momentarily; the length of this change relates to the the distance between the record and playback heads. You can only make this "longer" if you use an outboard Dolby unit that has separate encode and decode switches so you can actually play back the tape encoded.-kby From emberphoto at hotmail.com Mon Nov 20 00:10:16 2006 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:10:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <4560D4CC.7000705@rcn.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Mon Nov 20 00:25:13 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:25:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I second this for the 505.. -mab _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 6:10 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project Hello, All: I'm intrigued at the prospect of adding wireless RC to Nak decks not so equipped. My prime candidate for this would be the wonderful RX-505. It does have the (wired) receptacle for the RM-15 remote. If anyone more technically proficient than I should come up with a working package, I'd love to have it implemented, as I own two 505's. On a perhaps more challenging note: If anyone should figure out how to do this for the RX-202, which is electrically controlled but was not designed with remote control facility, that would also be welcome. --Steve Ember _____ From: Ron Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:03:56 -0500 > >Wouter, > >This has been discussed several times. If the deck has a >wired remote option, then adding a wireless remote control >is relatively easy. At the time, I calculated about $100 >for both an IR receiver (that will plug into the remote >jack on the deck) and a hand held transmitter. IIRC, Nak >models have two (or more?) different jacks. The receiver >can be built for any one type, to be usable by any deck >model that uses that jack pinout. > >I a deck does not have a remote jack, but is electrically >controlled (soft transport buttons), it may be modified by >adding a remote jack, but this is not as trivial. > >-- Ron > > > > >Wouter Heijke wrote: >>Hi Everyone, >> >>Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other brands. >>Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, the >>'wired' solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of >>multiple Naks is the ultimate. >>I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet >>lately... >> >>So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? >> >>I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and >>Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. >>I think there will be a demand for such a unit. >> >>Any ideas? >> >>Wouter > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and a Web site from Microsoft Office Live -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are also some Maxell UD-XLI (normal tape position) cassettes if anyone is interested. I'm clearing up old stuff that was at my brother's house, and though I don't use my Nak BX-100 much any more, I thought people on this list might be able to use good quality (though old) cassettes. Cheers, Indulis Bernsteins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Mon Nov 20 02:49:21 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:49:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA (a couple of SA-X) and Maxell UD-XLII 90 tapes going for postage costs only In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Id like some SA-X but im in the States.. do you want to fool around with sending them to the USA? -mab _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Indulis Bernsteins Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA (a couple of SA-X) and Maxell UD-XLII 90 tapes going for postage costs only Hi, I have about 30 x 10+ year old TDK SA, SA-X and Maxell UD-XLII 90 minute tapes which I am getting rid of- if anyone is interested in them, please respond to this list. I will split them up at my discretion and send them to up to 3 people in Australia (please state tape preferences, yes I know most of you will want the SA-X's!), or anyone else who can provide me an easy way to post it to them (e.g. Australia Post prepaid envelope sent to me, or will send me Paypal payment for postage). I think most of them are in reasonable shape, they've been stored in moderately good conditions, and when I spooled the tape forward, there seemed little sign of tape edge crinkling. There are also some Maxell UD-XLI (normal tape position) cassettes if anyone is interested. I'm clearing up old stuff that was at my brother's house, and though I don't use my Nak BX-100 much any more, I thought people on this list might be able to use good quality (though old) cassettes. Cheers, Indulis Bernsteins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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By the way Kermit I read with interest your desire to make some test calibration tape for naks, what came to my mind is why dont you use a test stereo record like then one i have that contain different test frequencies recorded on it from 400 hz upto 15000 hz , wouldnt a tape recording of this test stereo record which was made to evaluate phono cartridges make a good calibration test tape?! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From warren.king at dpi.nsw.gov.au Mon Nov 20 03:05:00 2006 From: warren.king at dpi.nsw.gov.au (warren.king at dpi.nsw.gov.au) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:05:00 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA (a couple of SA-X) and Maxell UD-XLII 90 tapes going for postage costs only Message-ID: Hi Indulis, I would be very keen to 'help' you find a home for your tapes (and to feed my CR5 something nice). Perhaps a mixture of SA and SAX wouldn't be asking too much and I would be happy to send you a prepaid mailer or do PayPal, whichever is easier for you (I'm in NSW). Cheers, Warren .............................................................. Warren King Department of Primary Industries Orange Agricultural Institute Forest Road, Orange NSW 2800 Australia ph (02) 6391 3824 fax (02) 6391 3975 This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient or received it in error, please delete the message and notify sender. Views expressed are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of their organisation. This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient or received it in error, please delete the message and notify sender. 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By the > way Kermit I read with interest your desire to make some test > calibration tape for naks, what came to my mind is why dont you use > a test stereo record like then one i have that contain different > test frequencies recorded on it from 400 hz upto 15000 hz , > wouldnt a tape recording of this test stereo record which was made > to evaluate phono cartridges make a good calibration test tape?! I'm delighted to meeet an owner of my fantasy deck the 1000ZXL! Good on you! Because of my research and development work, I have four proprietary test LPs (based on 1970s-vintage Western Electric test discs) that I had custom-cut for me directly on a Scully record lathe. They're not acetate discs like DJs use, they're actually vinyl LPs. These discs are far more stringent than any disc for sale, though I've been told they are similar to the proporietary tests discs made for in-house use f several cartridge manufacturers. Disc One is for frequency response measurement. Disc Two tests cartridge THD and IMD at several modulations. Disc Three tests trackability and resonance. Disc Four tests spatial imaging. Each test LP cost me over $150.00 each to have made so I keep them locked away when not in use. I've thought of selling these proprietary discs to the general public but I'd have to sell them for more money than people would be willing to pay, probably about $200.00 USD each. By the way, I've seen several of today's trendy audiophile cartridges fail the trackability tests, Ortofon and Roksan most notably. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lotloggin at aol.com Mon Nov 20 03:50:23 2006 From: Lotloggin at aol.com (Lotloggin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:50:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] dead 600II ? some pictures ... Message-ID: <596.98641b6.329271ef@aol.com> Hi, I am experiencing a similar problem with my Nakamichi 600 deck. It would not play,rew, or ff. I disassembled the motor and cleaned it. After reassembling it the unit now plays, although ff & rew are weak, stopping at times. I did not run the motor at 12v for 30 sec. Only because I am not sure how to do this. Can you describe how this is done? I appreciate any info. "If you have Caig DeOxit D5 cleaner a short spray on the brushes and 30 seconds at 12 v will clean the brushes and commutator. 10kHz at -8 is a bit too high for record bias setting. I suspect you are underbiased, so recordings are over bright. You might run the test at -20, and compare, using your scope (I assume you have no AC voltmeter). I like to use 12kHz, rather than 10kHz" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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HOPE THIS HELPS!:) ALI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 07:06:59 2006 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:06:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remote In-Reply-To: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> References: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061120005824.03729158@yahoo.com> Wouter, Wanted to email you directly first, before posting to the list. For the past 20 years I have been involved in electronic design - hardware/firmware/software. The Nak Remote would be a 'simple' project for me. Having been recently been made 'redundant' from my job as VP of Engineering, I also have some time available (5 months severance - nice). The idea to have kits and do-it-yourself instruction for non-remote equipped Naks is a good one and relatively easy to do. I would personally make the remote able to control multiple Nak decks simultaneously - I have 24 of them in my collection and I could use a multi-remote :) If you promise to help promote this Nak Remote, I will get it done. I figure a couple of months should be enough. Let me know. Victor At 03:26 PM 11/19/2006, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other brands. >Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, the 'wired' >solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of multiple >Naks is the ultimate. >I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet lately... > >So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? > >I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and >Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. >I think there will be a demand for such a unit. > >Any ideas? > >Wouter >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Nov 20 07:31:40 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 06:31:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar Message-ID: Hi Gra' & Ron, Yes; both of you are right, but also exist "Coils" inside the cartridge body...and after many years & of course depending where you live, dry or humid, near beach...etc! can be corroded...! So when this happen as the wire inside are so thin & extremely fragile..., that when goes wrong is "Almost" impossible to repair them...needed to be replace...and when you deal with a cartridge from 3 decades ago...the job is extremely expensive if possible? So my tip is that instead dealing with it much simple & 100% better is to buy a new one, which ALL the components inside are new & fresh! I always do so....but are people that love "Vintage Junk"...& want then to repair...God will bless them! Peace, ALEX! > From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:54:18 +0000> > Dunno, Ron, I'm just repeating what I thought I heard! Presumable the guts> of MC, MM and MI cartridges differ in some respect other than just having a> cantilever, suspension and stylus ...> > (Should we not transfer this discussion to AudioTalk? It's a bit OT for> NakTalk.)> > Gra'> > -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On> Behalf Of Ron> Sent: 19 November 2006 19:14> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MC-500 boxcar> > > > Graham,> > I am a bit confused here... What's to renovate internally in> a cartridge? Tips need replacement (because they wear) and> cantilever suspensions may need replacement (because they> dry and harden). What else to renovate?> > -- Ron> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Use Messenger to talk to your IM friends, even those on Yahoo! http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=7adb59de-a857-45ba-81cc-685ee3e858fe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 20 10:45:04 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:45:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remote In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061120005824.03729158@yahoo.com> References: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20061120005824.03729158@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12719.212.78.164.66.1164015904.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Victor, Great news, keep us posted on your ideas. I will support it! Wouter > Wouter, > > Wanted to email you directly first, before posting to the list. > For the past 20 years I have been involved in electronic design - > hardware/firmware/software. > The Nak Remote would be a 'simple' project for me. > Having been recently been made 'redundant' from my job as VP of > Engineering, I also have some time available (5 months severance - nice). > The idea to have kits and do-it-yourself instruction for non-remote > equipped Naks is a good one and relatively easy to do. > I would personally make the remote able to control multiple Nak decks > simultaneously - I have 24 of them in my collection and I could use a > multi-remote :) > If you promise to help promote this Nak Remote, I will get it done. > I figure a couple of months should be enough. > Let me know. > > Victor From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 20 11:34:26 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:34:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6133.212.78.164.66.1164018866.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Ron (and others), Indeed this has been discussed before but no actual remote has ever been created that i know of. My technical skills are limited to making a homebrew wired control, but I want wireless and multi-nak support! And yes a description on how to add remote control support to the RX-202 (and other Naks, like BX series) would be great also. Wouter > I second this for the 505.. > > From N4229K at aol.com Mon Nov 20 12:05:04 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 06:05:04 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remote Message-ID: <9e.5de46512.3292e5e0@aol.com> Victor Count me in for a couple (at least) Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Mon Nov 20 12:07:14 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 06:07:14 EST Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA (a couple of SA-X) and Maxell UD-XLII 90 tapes going for... Message-ID: I have some SA-X tapes and I'm in NY Dean Id like some SA-X but im in the States.. do you want to fool around with sending them to the USA? -mab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Mon Nov 20 13:11:30 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 07:11:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remote In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061120005824.03729158@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Apologies to hear that about your job... I would be really interested in this as well and would help any way I can also. -mab > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Victor Trifu > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 1:07 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remote > > Wouter, > > Wanted to email you directly first, before posting to the list. > For the past 20 years I have been involved in electronic design - > hardware/firmware/software. > The Nak Remote would be a 'simple' project for me. > Having been recently been made 'redundant' from my job as VP of > Engineering, I also have some time available (5 months severance - nice). > The idea to have kits and do-it-yourself instruction for non-remote > equipped Naks is a good one and relatively easy to do. > I would personally make the remote able to control multiple Nak decks > simultaneously - I have 24 of them in my collection and I could use a > multi-remote :) > If you promise to help promote this Nak Remote, I will get it done. > I figure a couple of months should be enough. > Let me know. > > Victor --------------------------------------------------========= From DM2 at marctronixx.com Mon Nov 20 13:13:04 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 07:13:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA (a couple of SA-X) and Maxell UD-XLII 90 tapesgoing for... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What do you want for them? Are they NIB or used? -mab _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of N4229K at aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK SA (a couple of SA-X) and Maxell UD-XLII 90 tapesgoing for... I have some SA-X tapes and I'm in NY Dean Id like some SA-X but im in the States.. do you want to fool around with sending them to the USA? -mab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 20 14:40:26 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:40:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I was given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from the Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all respects and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering if all the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would not recommend making "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent tool for TR evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and played back. I plan to send a copy to anyone interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with a SASE for returns. Do you think its a good idea?? Kermit Gray wrote: Hi There, Ali! On Nov 19, 2006, at 8:04 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: HI Kermit, Have been very busy lately! I am glad you like the nak 1000 zxl.I am proud owner of a 1000 zxl myself the pre-amp section in this deck is outstanding ! probably the best I have ever heard in in cassette deck, yes i have owned most all hi-end naks incl CR 7A , DRAGON AND 700ZXL. P.S. still working on some of the 1000 zxl problems which Bala and others here know of (lol) :). By the way Kermit I read with interest your desire to make some test calibration tape for naks, what came to my mind is why dont you use a test stereo record like then one i have that contain different test frequencies recorded on it from 400 hz upto 15000 hz , wouldnt a tape recording of this test stereo record which was made to evaluate phono cartridges make a good calibration test tape?! I'm delighted to meeet an owner of my fantasy deck the 1000ZXL! Good on you! Because of my research and development work, I have four proprietary test LPs (based on 1970s-vintage Western Electric test discs) that I had custom-cut for me directly on a Scully record lathe. They're not acetate discs like DJs use, they're actually vinyl LPs. These discs are far more stringent than any disc for sale, though I've been told they are similar to the proporietary tests discs made for in-house use f several cartridge manufacturers. Disc One is for frequency response measurement. Disc Two tests cartridge THD and IMD at several modulations. Disc Three tests trackability and resonance. Disc Four tests spatial imaging. Each test LP cost me over $150.00 each to have made so I keep them locked away when not in use. I've thought of selling these proprietary discs to the general public but I'd have to sell them for more money than people would be willing to pay, probably about $200.00 USD each. By the way, I've seen several of today's trendy audiophile cartridges fail the trackability tests, Ortofon and Roksan most notably. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 20 15:14:39 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:14:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <6133.212.78.164.66.1164018866.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <6133.212.78.164.66.1164018866.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4561B84F.4050500@rcn.com> Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi Ron (and others), > > Indeed this has been discussed before but no actual remote has ever been > created that i know of. > My technical skills are limited to making a homebrew wired control, but I > want wireless and multi-nak support! > And yes a description on how to add remote control support to the RX-202 > (and other Naks, like BX series) would be great also. > > Wouter > >> I second this for the 505.. Well, at the time, I put some thought into the project. Eight or ten channel remote control 'guts' are available on the market at reasonable cost. I thought about adding some features (for example, On-Off control -- though this would require some modification to the deck itself). At the time I offered to build a prototype at cost, for anyone interested, but there were no takers. Right now I don't have the time. I wish Victor all success. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 20 15:17:12 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:17:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4561B8E8.5090703@rcn.com> I think it's a marvelous idea. Count me in for one. Regards, -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date > used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the > performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I > was given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from the > Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure > frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all respects > and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering if all > the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would not recommend making > "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent tool for TR > evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and played back. I plan to > send a copy to anyone interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with > a SASE for returns. Do you think its a good idea?? > > */Kermit Gray /* wrote: > > Hi There, Ali! > > On Nov 19, 2006, at 8:04 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com > wrote: > >> HI Kermit, Have been very busy lately! I am glad you like the >> nak 1000 zxl.I am proud owner of a 1000 zxl myself the pre-amp >> section in this deck is outstanding ! probably the best I have >> ever heard in in cassette deck, yes i have owned most all hi-end >> naks incl CR 7A , DRAGON AND 700ZXL. P.S. still working on some >> of the 1000 zxl problems which Bala and others here know of (lol) >> :). By the way Kermit I read with interest your desire to make >> some test calibration tape for naks, what came to my mind is why >> dont you use a test stereo record like then one i have >> that contain different test frequencies recorded on it from 400 >> hz upto 15000 hz , wouldnt a tape recording of this test stereo >> record which was made to evaluate phono cartridges make a good >> calibration test tape?! > > I'm delighted to meeet an owner of my fantasy deck the 1000ZXL! > Good on you! > > Because of my research and development work, I have four proprietary > test LPs (based on 1970s-vintage Western Electric test discs) that I > had custom-cut for me directly on a Scully record lathe. They're not > acetate discs like DJs use, they're actually vinyl LPs. These discs > are far more stringent than any disc for sale, though I've been told > they are similar to the proporietary tests discs made for in-house > use f several cartridge manufacturers. Disc One is for frequency > response measurement. Disc Two tests cartridge THD and IMD at > several modulations. Disc Three tests trackability and resonance. > Disc Four tests spatial imaging. Each test LP cost me over $150.00 > each to have made so I keep them locked away when not in use. I've > thought of selling these proprietary discs to the general public but > I'd have to sell them for more money than people would be willing to > pay, probably about $200.00 USD each. By the way, I've seen several > of today's trendy audiophile cartridges fail the trackability tests, > Ortofon and Roksan most notably. > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Dr. N. Khan > Design Engineer > Mequon Manufacture LLC. > CAGE Code 3A3Z8 > 738 Grand Avenue > Mequon, WI 53092 > 414-406-2066 > 262-238-1047 fax > From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Nov 20 15:19:58 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:19:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remote References: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20061120005824.03729158@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007b01c70cae$f847b400$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Victor, Sounds GREAT :-) I would suggest that you take into consideration the posiblity to use a multi purpose remote like the OneForAll / Kameleon remotes URC 8206 and 8210 as transmitter. That was the only company - I wrote many - that promised me to instantly upgrade their code library (for internet and telephone downloads) with the codeset for my Linn LK1 preamp (Linn UK sent me the codes in a PDF file). As I do not have the original LK1 remote, I cannot use the often mentioned Learning facility - present in most muliremotes. LK1 also uses the Plessey Pulse Postion Modulation (ppm) standard whereas most newer units (like my Linn Mimik CD) use the Philips RC5 standard. My multiremote therefore had to support both standards. I have not bought a URC 8206 / 8210 yet, so I cannot confirm the company's ability to do what they promise, but I thinks it sounds likely if their code library supports more than 100.000 units! I Just wanted share this with you - hoping it would be of any help. Good luck with the NakTalk Remote. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Trifu" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remote > Wouter, > > Wanted to email you directly first, before posting to the list.> For the past 20 years I have been involved in electronic design - > hardware/firmware/software. > The Nak Remote would be a 'simple' project for me. > Having been recently been made 'redundant' from my job as VP of Engineering, I also have some time available (5 months severance - > nice). > The idea to have kits and do-it-yourself instruction for non-remote equipped Naks is a good one and relatively easy to do. > I would personally make the remote able to control multiple Nak decks simultaneously - I have 24 of them in my collection and I > could use a multi-remote :) > If you promise to help promote this Nak Remote, I will get it done. > I figure a couple of months should be enough. > Let me know. > > Victor > > > At 03:26 PM 11/19/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Everyone, >> >>Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other brands. >>Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, the 'wired' solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of >>multiple Naks is the ultimate. >>I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet lately... >> >>So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? >> >>I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. >>I think there will be a demand for such a unit. >> >>Any ideas? >> >>Wouter From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Nov 20 15:28:53 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:28:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL References: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009201c70cb0$3b8d4580$b207010a@hurtignok> You bet... If you have a PayPal account I would prefer transfering the amount needed for a (good quality) CD-R and return postage. It would be much easier - for me at least - and I would not mind slipping in an extra amount for you to set this up. Thanks again. Best Regards Per Borgen Denmark PS: By the way - I once heard from some fellow audiophiles that the black CD-R's have the best sound qauality! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I was given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from the Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all respects and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering if all the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would not recommend making "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent tool for TR evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and played back. I plan to send a copy to anyone interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with a SASE for returns. Do you think its a good idea?? Kermit Gray wrote: Hi There, Ali! On Nov 19, 2006, at 8:04 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: HI Kermit, Have been very busy lately! I am glad you like the nak 1000 zxl.I am proud owner of a 1000 zxl myself the pre-amp section in this deck is outstanding ! probably the best I have ever heard in in cassette deck, yes i have owned most all hi-end naks incl CR 7A , DRAGON AND 700ZXL. P.S. still working on some of the 1000 zxl problems which Bala and others here know of (lol) :). By the way Kermit I read with interest your desire to make some test calibration tape for naks, what came to my mind is why dont you use a test stereo record like then one i have that contain different test frequencies recorded on it from 400 hz upto 15000 hz , wouldnt a tape recording of this test stereo record which was made to evaluate phono cartridges make a good calibration test tape?! I'm delighted to meeet an owner of my fantasy deck the 1000ZXL! Good on you! Because of my research and development work, I have four proprietary test LPs (based on 1970s-vintage Western Electric test discs) that I had custom-cut for me directly on a Scully record lathe. They're not acetate discs like DJs use, they're actually vinyl LPs. These discs are far more stringent than any disc for sale, though I've been told they are similar to the proporietary tests discs made for in-house use f several cartridge manufacturers. Disc One is for frequency response measurement. Disc Two tests cartridge THD and IMD at several modulations. Disc Three tests trackability and resonance. Disc Four tests spatial imaging. Each test LP cost me over $150.00 each to have made so I keep them locked away when not in use. I've thought of selling these proprietary discs to the general public but I'd have to sell them for more money than people would be willing to pay, probably about $200.00 USD each. By the way, I've seen several of today's trendy audiophile cartridges fail the trackability tests, Ortofon and Roksan most notably. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 20 15:45:22 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:45:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <009201c70cb0$3b8d4580$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <009201c70cb0$3b8d4580$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <14126.212.78.164.66.1164033922.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> The same for me, PayPal and extra for the CD-R and shipment/handling is preferred! Wouter > You bet... If you have a PayPal account I would prefer transfering > the amount needed for a (good quality) CD-R and return postage. > It would be much easier - for me at least - and I would not mind > slipping in an extra amount for you to set this up. Thanks again. > > Best Regards > > Per Borgen > Denmark > > PS: By the way - I once heard from some fellow audiophiles that > the black CD-R's have the best sound qauality! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mequon Manufacture LLC > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > > > Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date used > by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the > performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I was > given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from > the Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure > frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all > respects and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering > if all the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would > not recommend making "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent > tool for TR evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and > played back. I plan to send a copy to anyone interested provided they send > me a blank CD-R with a SASE for returns. Do you think its > a good idea?? > From tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Nov 20 15:47:43 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:47:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <009201c70cb0$3b8d4580$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <20061120144743.23990.qmail@web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> "Black CD's" Thats on the playing side as well I presume T. Per wrote: You bet... If you have a PayPal account I would prefer transfering the amount needed for a (good quality) CD-R and return postage. It would be much easier - for me at least - and I would not mind slipping in an extra amount for you to set this up. Thanks again. Best Regards Per Borgen Denmark PS: By the way - I once heard from some fellow audiophiles that the black CD-R's have the best sound qauality! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I was given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from the Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all respects and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering if all the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would not recommend making "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent tool for TR evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and played back. I plan to send a copy to anyone interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with a SASE for returns. Do you think its a good idea?? Kermit Gray wrote: Hi There, Ali! On Nov 19, 2006, at 8:04 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: HI Kermit, Have been very busy lately! I am glad you like the nak 1000 zxl.I am proud owner of a 1000 zxl myself the pre-amp section in this deck is outstanding ! probably the best I have ever heard in in cassette deck, yes i have owned most all hi-end naks incl CR 7A , DRAGON AND 700ZXL. P.S. still working on some of the 1000 zxl problems which Bala and others here know of (lol) :). By the way Kermit I read with interest your desire to make some test calibration tape for naks, what came to my mind is why dont you use a test stereo record like then one i have that contain different test frequencies recorded on it from 400 hz upto 15000 hz , wouldnt a tape recording of this test stereo record which was made to evaluate phono cartridges make a good calibration test tape?! I'm delighted to meeet an owner of my fantasy deck the 1000ZXL! Good on you! Because of my research and development work, I have four proprietary test LPs (based on 1970s-vintage Western Electric test discs) that I had custom-cut for me directly on a Scully record lathe. They're not acetate discs like DJs use, they're actually vinyl LPs. These discs are far more stringent than any disc for sale, though I've been told they are similar to the proporietary tests discs made for in-house use f several cartridge manufacturers. Disc One is for frequency response measurement. Disc Two tests cartridge THD and IMD at several modulations. Disc Three tests trackability and resonance. Disc Four tests spatial imaging. Each test LP cost me over $150.00 each to have made so I keep them locked away when not in use. I've thought of selling these proprietary discs to the general public but I'd have to sell them for more money than people would be willing to pay, probably about $200.00 USD each. By the way, I've seen several of today's trendy audiophile cartridges fail the trackability tests, Ortofon and Roksan most notably. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Nov 20 15:47:59 2006 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:47:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <009201c70cb0$3b8d4580$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <20061120144759.39099.qmail@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> "Black CD's" Thats on the playing side as well I presume T. Per wrote: You bet... If you have a PayPal account I would prefer transfering the amount needed for a (good quality) CD-R and return postage. It would be much easier - for me at least - and I would not mind slipping in an extra amount for you to set this up. Thanks again. Best Regards Per Borgen Denmark PS: By the way - I once heard from some fellow audiophiles that the black CD-R's have the best sound qauality! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I was given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from the Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all respects and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering if all the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would not recommend making "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent tool for TR evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and played back. I plan to send a copy to anyone interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with a SASE for returns. Do you think its a good idea?? Kermit Gray wrote: Hi There, Ali! On Nov 19, 2006, at 8:04 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: HI Kermit, Have been very busy lately! I am glad you like the nak 1000 zxl.I am proud owner of a 1000 zxl myself the pre-amp section in this deck is outstanding ! probably the best I have ever heard in in cassette deck, yes i have owned most all hi-end naks incl CR 7A , DRAGON AND 700ZXL. P.S. still working on some of the 1000 zxl problems which Bala and others here know of (lol) :). By the way Kermit I read with interest your desire to make some test calibration tape for naks, what came to my mind is why dont you use a test stereo record like then one i have that contain different test frequencies recorded on it from 400 hz upto 15000 hz , wouldnt a tape recording of this test stereo record which was made to evaluate phono cartridges make a good calibration test tape?! I'm delighted to meeet an owner of my fantasy deck the 1000ZXL! Good on you! Because of my research and development work, I have four proprietary test LPs (based on 1970s-vintage Western Electric test discs) that I had custom-cut for me directly on a Scully record lathe. They're not acetate discs like DJs use, they're actually vinyl LPs. These discs are far more stringent than any disc for sale, though I've been told they are similar to the proporietary tests discs made for in-house use f several cartridge manufacturers. Disc One is for frequency response measurement. Disc Two tests cartridge THD and IMD at several modulations. Disc Three tests trackability and resonance. Disc Four tests spatial imaging. Each test LP cost me over $150.00 each to have made so I keep them locked away when not in use. I've thought of selling these proprietary discs to the general public but I'd have to sell them for more money than people would be willing to pay, probably about $200.00 USD each. By the way, I've seen several of today's trendy audiophile cartridges fail the trackability tests, Ortofon and Roksan most notably. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. 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URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Mon Nov 20 15:56:06 2006 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVB/RHG) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 06:56:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project References: <6133.212.78.164.66.1164018866.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4561B84F.4050500@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000b01c70cb4$01f49040$0200a8c0@DESKTOP> Guys- I have a Nak 505 with a remote, but it's wired, with about a 16ft cord. Randall, Seattle iginal Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project > Wouter Heijke wrote: >> Hi Ron (and others), >> >> Indeed this has been discussed before but no actual remote has ever been >> created that i know of. >> My technical skills are limited to making a homebrew wired control, but I >> want wireless and multi-nak support! >> And yes a description on how to add remote control support to the RX-202 >> (and other Naks, like BX series) would be great also. >> >> Wouter >> >>> I second this for the 505.. > > Well, at the time, I put some thought into the project. > Eight or ten channel remote control 'guts' are available > on the market at reasonable cost. I thought about adding > some features (for example, On-Off control -- though > this would require some modification to the deck itself). > At the time I offered to build a prototype at cost, for > anyone interested, but there were no takers. > > Right now I don't have the time. I wish Victor all success. > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/538 - Release Date: 11/18/2006 > 4:48 PM > > From salimarz at telkom.net Mon Nov 20 16:24:02 2006 From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marz) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:24:02 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA (a couple of SA-X) and Maxell UD-XLII 90 tapes going for postage costs only References: Message-ID: <004b01c70cb7$e88e3210$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Hello, Any chance of sending tapes to neighboring country ? =) regards, salim sm, jakarta, indonesia ----- Original Message ----- From: Indulis Bernsteins To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA (a couple of SA-X) and Maxell UD-XLII 90 tapes going for postage costs only Hi, I have about 30 x 10+ year old TDK SA, SA-X and Maxell UD-XLII 90 minute tapes which I am getting rid of- if anyone is interested in them, please respond to this list. I will split them up at my discretion and send them to up to 3 people in Australia (please state tape preferences, yes I know most of you will want the SA-X's!), or anyone else who can provide me an easy way to post it to them (e.g. Australia Post prepaid envelope sent to me, or will send me Paypal payment for postage). I think most of them are in reasonable shape, they've been stored in moderately good -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From salimarz at telkom.net Mon Nov 20 16:31:44 2006 From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marz) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:31:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL References: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00da01c70cb8$fc7a7cb0$6401a8c0@pavilyun> If you don't mind receiving cash inside envelope ... count me in please. Thanks ! salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I was given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from the Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all respects and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering if all the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would not recommend making "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent tool for TR evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and played back. I plan to send a copy to anyone interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with a SASE for returns. 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URL: From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 20 16:43:27 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 07:43:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Hex codes for Nakamich RM-7 In-Reply-To: <004b01c70cb7$e88e3210$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Message-ID: <20061120154327.60512.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have no idea if they would be of any use to Victor or others, but here are the Hex control code set for an RM-7 remote: STOP 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 PLAY 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 REW 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 FFWD 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 PAUSE 0000 006d 0022 0002 0155 00aa 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 05e5 0155 0055 0015 0e35 REC 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 AZIMUTH - 0000 006d 0022 0002 0155 00aa 0015 0041 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 05e6 0155 0055 0015 0e35 AZIMUTH + 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 rgds Khan Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 16:44:45 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 07:44:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061120154445.99080.qmail@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Count me in! It will be an invaluable tool! Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I was given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from the Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all respects and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering if all the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would not recommend making "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent tool for TR evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and played back. I plan to send a copy to anyone interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with a SASE for returns. Do you think its a good idea?? Kermit Gray wrote: Hi There, Ali! On Nov 19, 2006, at 8:04 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: HI Kermit, Have been very busy lately! I am glad you like the nak 1000 zxl.I am proud owner of a 1000 zxl myself the pre-amp section in this deck is outstanding ! probably the best I have ever heard in in cassette deck, yes i have owned most all hi-end naks incl CR 7A , DRAGON AND 700ZXL. P.S. still working on some of the 1000 zxl problems which Bala and others here know of (lol) :). By the way Kermit I read with interest your desire to make some test calibration tape for naks, what came to my mind is why dont you use a test stereo record like then one i have that contain different test frequencies recorded on it from 400 hz upto 15000 hz , wouldnt a tape recording of this test stereo record which was made to evaluate phono cartridges make a good calibration test tape?! I'm delighted to meeet an owner of my fantasy deck the 1000ZXL! Good on you! Because of my research and development work, I have four proprietary test LPs (based on 1970s-vintage Western Electric test discs) that I had custom-cut for me directly on a Scully record lathe. They're not acetate discs like DJs use, they're actually vinyl LPs. These discs are far more stringent than any disc for sale, though I've been told they are similar to the proporietary tests discs made for in-house use f several cartridge manufacturers. Disc One is for frequency response measurement. Disc Two tests cartridge THD and IMD at several modulations. Disc Three tests trackability and resonance. Disc Four tests spatial imaging. Each test LP cost me over $150.00 each to have made so I keep them locked away when not in use. I've thought of selling these proprietary discs to the general public but I'd have to sell them for more money than people would be willing to pay, probably about $200.00 USD each. By the way, I've seen several of today's trendy audiophile cartridges fail the trackability tests, Ortofon and Roksan most notably. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. 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URL: From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 20 16:57:47 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 07:57:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <00da01c70cb8$fc7a7cb0$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Message-ID: <20061120155747.66125.qmail@web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So far 3 people have shown interest, lets see for a few days, then I'll email instructions on how to send or pay, and we'll go from there. Rgds Khan Salim Marz wrote: If you don't mind receiving cash inside envelope ... count me in please. Thanks ! salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I was given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from the Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all respects and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering if all the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would not recommend making "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent tool for TR evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and played back. I plan to send a copy to anyone interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with a SASE for returns. Do you think its a good idea?? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Nov 20 17:07:23 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:07:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <20061120155747.66125.qmail@web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061120155747.66125.qmail@web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4561D2BB.9030106@peromarta.org> 4. rgds, LP. Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > So far 3 people have shown interest, lets see for a few days, then I'll > email instructions on how to send or pay, and we'll go from there. > > Rgds > Khan > From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Nov 20 17:08:41 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:08:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Hex codes for Nakamich RM-7 References: <20061120154327.60512.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015901c70cbe$27561160$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Khan, SORRY for mixing up you and Victors names. My post about the OneForAll remotes were ment for you in the first place. Good luck again with your remote project and thanks for the hex codes. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hex codes for Nakamich RM-7 I have no idea if they would be of any use to Victor or others, but here are the Hex control code set for an RM-7 remote: STOP 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 PLAY 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 REW 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 FFWD 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 PAUSE 0000 006d 0022 0002 0155 00aa 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 05e5 0155 0055 0015 0e35 REC 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 AZIMUTH - 0000 006d 0022 0002 0155 00aa 0015 0041 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 05e6 0155 0055 0015 0e35 AZIMUTH + 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 rgds Khan Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 20 17:15:00 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:15:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061120161500.86198.qmail@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would be interested and gladly send you a replacement CD-R and shipping fee. Thanks, Bob (California) Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I was given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from the Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all respects and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering if all the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would not recommend making "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent tool for TR evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and played back. I plan to send a copy to anyone interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with a SASE for returns. Do you think its a good idea?? Kermit Gray wrote: Hi There, Ali! On Nov 19, 2006, at 8:04 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: HI Kermit, Have been very busy lately! I am glad you like the nak 1000 zxl.I am proud owner of a 1000 zxl myself the pre-amp section in this deck is outstanding ! probably the best I have ever heard in in cassette deck, yes i have owned most all hi-end naks incl CR 7A , DRAGON AND 700ZXL. P.S. still working on some of the 1000 zxl problems which Bala and others here know of (lol) :). By the way Kermit I read with interest your desire to make some test calibration tape for naks, what came to my mind is why dont you use a test stereo record like then one i have that contain different test frequencies recorded on it from 400 hz upto 15000 hz , wouldnt a tape recording of this test stereo record which was made to evaluate phono cartridges make a good calibration test tape?! I'm delighted to meeet an owner of my fantasy deck the 1000ZXL! Good on you! Because of my research and development work, I have four proprietary test LPs (based on 1970s-vintage Western Electric test discs) that I had custom-cut for me directly on a Scully record lathe. They're not acetate discs like DJs use, they're actually vinyl LPs. These discs are far more stringent than any disc for sale, though I've been told they are similar to the proporietary tests discs made for in-house use f several cartridge manufacturers. Disc One is for frequency response measurement. Disc Two tests cartridge THD and IMD at several modulations. Disc Three tests trackability and resonance. Disc Four tests spatial imaging. Each test LP cost me over $150.00 each to have made so I keep them locked away when not in use. I've thought of selling these proprietary discs to the general public but I'd have to sell them for more money than people would be willing to pay, probably about $200.00 USD each. By the way, I've seen several of today's trendy audiophile cartridges fail the trackability tests, Ortofon and Roksan most notably. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Nov 20 17:18:15 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:18:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Correction... Message-ID: <01e701c70cbf$7dbb9240$b207010a@hurtignok> I better rest for a while... KHAN is offering to copy the Sony CD4 test CD - and VICTOR has a plan of a Nak remote. Just to sum up things for myself...! SORRY for mixing up things again - and again! Best Regards, Per From luis at peromarta.org Mon Nov 20 17:28:24 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:28:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4561D7A8.80402@peromarta.org> How about extracting the contents of the CDR with eac, making a wav/cue pair, maybe compress it with ape / flac / apple lossless, and putting it online? Any chance? I have some spare bandwith for the upload and download. With two or three mirrors, we could do it in a matter of days. rgds, LP. Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date > used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the > performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I > was given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from the > Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure > frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all respects > and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering if all > the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would not recommend making > "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent tool for TR > evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and played back. I plan to > send a copy to anyone interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with > a SASE for returns. Do you think its a good idea?? > From lenaw at flash.net Mon Nov 20 20:07:20 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:07:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <20061120155747.66125.qmail@web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002601c70cd7$1bcb9fe0$d4c4db40@CPQ16585250299> Count me on as well. Thanks. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mequon Manufacture LLC Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL So far 3 people have shown interest, lets see for a few days, then I'll email instructions on how to send or pay, and we'll go from there. Rgds Khan Salim Marz wrote: If you don't mind receiving cash inside envelope ... count me in please. Thanks ! salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I was given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from the Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all respects and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering if all the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would not recommend making "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent tool for TR evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and played back. I plan to send a copy to anyone interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with a SASE for returns. Do you think its a good idea?? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 20 20:18:56 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:18:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hex codes for Nakamich RM-7 In-Reply-To: <20061120154327.60512.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061120154327.60512.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4561FFA0.1010009@rcn.com> I doubt these will be useful. Any after market implementation (Victor's, mine or anyone else's) will not try to mimic the Nakamichi transmitter, but utilize an after market transmitter/receiver set that will likely use completely different codes. -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I have no idea if they would be of any use to Victor or others, but here > are the Hex control code set for an RM-7 remote: > > STOP > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 > 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 > 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 > 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 > 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f > 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 > PLAY > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 > 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 > 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 > 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 > 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f > 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 > REW > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 > 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 > 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 > 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 > 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f > 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 > FFWD > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 > 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 > 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 > 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 > 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f > 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 > PAUSE > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0155 00aa 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 > 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 > 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 > 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 > 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 > 0016 05e5 0155 0055 0015 0e35 > REC > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 > 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 > 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 003f > 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 > 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f > 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 > AZIMUTH - > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0155 00aa 0015 0041 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 > 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 > 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f > 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 > 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 > 0015 05e6 0155 0055 0015 0e35 > AZIMUTH + > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 > 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 > 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 > 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 > 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f > 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 > > > rgds > > Khan > > > Dr. N. Khan > Design Engineer > Mequon Manufacture LLC. > CAGE Code 3A3Z8 > 738 Grand Avenue > Mequon, WI 53092 > 414-406-2066 > 262-238-1047 fax From koman56 at otenet.gr Mon Nov 20 20:36:31 2006 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:36:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK remotes Message-ID: <456203BF.8040201@otenet.gr> Please count me in for an RM-7 since my CR-7E was bought from ebay without it! I live in Athens Greece Manos From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 20:39:13 2006 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:39:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remote In-Reply-To: <007b01c70cae$f847b400$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20061120005824.03729158@yahoo.com> <007b01c70cae$f847b400$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061120143357.06221160@yahoo.com> Per, Using a universal (even 'learning') remote as the transmitter does seem like a good choice. Even if only considering the cost of a custom plastic molded case vs. the (bad) looks of available off the shelf cases. On the other hand, if the remote is to control more than one deck at the same time, a 'normal' universal remote may not be enough. I was thinking of an IRdA equipped handheld computer with the remote function being implemented in software. With that, the only hardware design needed would be for the receiver and the upgrade kits. Victor At 09:19 AM 11/20/2006, you wrote: >Hi Victor, Sounds GREAT :-) I would suggest that you take into >consideration the posiblity to use a multi purpose remote like >the OneForAll / Kameleon remotes URC 8206 and 8210 as >transmitter. That was the only company - I wrote many - that From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 20:40:43 2006 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:40:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <20061120155747.66125.qmail@web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <00da01c70cb8$fc7a7cb0$6401a8c0@pavilyun> <20061120155747.66125.qmail@web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061120144020.061de6c8@yahoo.com> Khan, I am interested too - can you take paypal? Victor At 10:57 AM 11/20/2006, you wrote: >So far 3 people have shown interest, lets see for a few days, then >I'll email instructions on how to send or pay, and we'll go from there. > >Rgds >Khan From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Nov 20 20:40:04 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:40:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Message-ID: Me too.-kby From jberger at well.com Mon Nov 20 21:02:40 2006 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:02:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Remotes... Message-ID: Has anyone run across a universal remote that knows the codes for the CR-7 (including the azimuth?) From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Nov 20 21:16:04 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:16:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remote References: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl><7.0.1.0.2.20061120005824.03729158@yahoo.com><007b01c70cae$f847b400$b207010a@hurtignok> <7.0.1.0.2.20061120143357.06221160@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005b01c70ce0$b6624690$b207010a@hurtignok> Great idea. Isn't there some remote software tools out there that you could base your implementation on, thereby making it faster and easier for you to setup? Just an idea as I do not know to much about handheld PC's. Best Regards, Per PS: Some, though, might still want to be able to buy a classic black plastic remote if they don't own a handheld PC or a univeral remote. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Trifu" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Remote > Per, > > Using a universal (even 'learning') remote as the transmitter does > seem like a good choice. > Even if only considering the cost of a custom plastic molded case vs. > the (bad) looks of available off the shelf cases. > On the other hand, if the remote is to control more than one deck at > the same time, a 'normal' universal remote may not be enough. > I was thinking of an IRdA equipped handheld computer with the remote > function being implemented in software. > With that, the only hardware design needed would be for the receiver > and the upgrade kits. > > Victor > > > At 09:19 AM 11/20/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Victor, Sounds GREAT :-) I would suggest that you take into >>consideration the posiblity to use a multi purpose remote like >>the OneForAll / Kameleon remotes URC 8206 and 8210 as >>transmitter. That was the only company - I wrote many - that > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 20 21:32:13 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:32:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sony reference Test CD contents In-Reply-To: <4561D7A8.80402@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20061120203213.14633.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Luis, I dont have the equipment or the capabilty of uploading online, but I'll keep my commitment to send it to anyone who so desires. Please print and save the following information, as it would save me from making copies of it and sending it with the CDs. BTW has anyone come up with a method of forming a list on Naktalk so everyone interested can just sign on it?? Details about the CD are as follows, quoting directly from the included jacket and some funky english translation resulting from the original Japanese text!!: SONY TEST CD TYPE 4 FOR ADJUSTMENTS & CHECKING OF THE PLAYER 1. PURPOSE: This test disc is designed to make almost all player adjustments and measurements on the compact disc player production line by one sheet of this disc. This disc is also available in checking of HF amplitude, eyepattern, servo adjustment, block rate error, track number, index number, access, etc. in addition to measuring of audio characteristics. Namely, conventional test discs are prescribed in respect only to audio characteristics. However this test disc is made in agreement with the standards severer than those described in the C.D. Red booklet in respect to bifringence, block rate error, I11/Itop, HF envelope variation, etc. Therefore, the test disc can also be used as the reference disc on the compact disc player production line. These standards are explained in Table 1. 2. Recorded data: The data recorded on this disc are as shown on Table2. Note 1. The scanning velocity is 1.25m/sec. Note 2. Audio characteristic measuring signal area This refers to track Nos 2-17. The original signal is the digital combination with a high accuracy of 99.9999999% by means of computer simulation. Note 3. Level setting In track Nos 2-17, the P-P (peak to peak) maximum level at which 16 bits are all enabled is taken as 0 dB. This value is indicated as the playback level. Note 4. Other music signals In track No.1 and track Nos 18-22, ordinary tunes are digitally recorded. Noise may be heard from some tunes. This noise has entered at the time of recording. Note 5. In track No.19 two tunes are recorded for index number check. Yet, this track number is not changed. Then, needless to say, the index is varied. In this case, the index is not necessarily varied according to the movements of the tunes. Note 6. In track No.19, 21 and 22, tunes are not entirely recorded because of their purpose, and are faded out in the predetermined time. Note 7. In track Nos.21 and 22, no index No.0 exists. (pause time = 0 sec) TABLE 1. Scanning velocity---1.25m/sec Bifringence---<50nm (Double Pass) Block Error Rate---<4x10 -3 [averaged over any 10 sec] I11/I top variation---0.78 (to be fixed)<+-0.03 (on one master) [measured by Sony reference player] Variation in DC Level of HF envelope I11-Top, I11-bottom, I3 top, I3 bottom---<3%p-p (each item) [excluding bifringence, variation during one revolution normalized by I top averaged over one revolution] Variation in amplitude of HF envelope---<3%p-p [excluding bifringence] Other Items---Refer to Red Booklet TABLE 2.[TNO=Track No., CNT=Content, E=Emphasis, PUR=Purpose, T=Time] TNO=1, IDX=1, CNT=Air Glow theme of CD Composition: FUMITAKA ANZAI, MASAMICHI AMANO, E=ON, T=3:34, PUR=General TNO=2, IDX=1, CNT=1KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L&R, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=REFERENCE TNO=3, IDX=1, CNT=20Hz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L&R, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=FREQUENCY RESPONSE, THD vs FREQ MODULATION NOISE TNO=4, IDX=1, CNT=100Hz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L&R, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=FREQUENCY RESPONSE, THD vs FREQ MODULATION NOISE TNO=5, IDX=1, CNT=10KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L&R, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=FREQUENCY RESPONSE, THD vs FREQ MODULATION NOISE TNO=6, IDX=1, CNT=20KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L&R, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=FREQUENCY RESPONSE, THD vs FREQ MODULATION NOISE TNO=7, IDX=1, CNT=INFINITY ZERO -INFINITY dB,L&R, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=S/N TNO=8, IDX=1, CNT=1KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=CHANNEL SEPARATION TNO=9, IDX=1, CNT=10KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=CHANNEL SEPARATION TNO=10, IDX=1, CNT=1KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,R, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=CHANNEL SEPARATION TNO=11, IDX=1, CNT=10KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,R, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=CHANNEL SEPARATION TNO=12, IDX=1, CNT=5KHz SINE WAVE, -4.53dB,L&R, E=ON, T=0:56, PUR=DE EMPHASIS TNO=13, IDX=1, CNT=16KHz SINE WAVE, -9.04dB,L&R, E=ON, T=0:56, PUR=DE EMPHASIS TNO=14, IDX=1, CNT=100Hz SINE WAVE, -20dB,L&R, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=TONE CONTROL FREQUENCY RESPONSE TNO=15, IDX=1, CNT=1KHz SINE WAVE, -20dB,L&R, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=TONE CONTROL FREQUENCY RESPONSE TNO=16, IDX=1, CNT=10KHz SINE WAVE, -20dB,L&R, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=TONE CONTROL FREQUENCY RESPONSE TNO=17, IDX=1, CNT=1KHz SINE WAVE, -60dB,L&R, E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=DYNAMIC RANGE TNO=18, IDX=1, CNT=PAGANINI:CANTIBLE OP.17 TEIKPMAEHASHI:VIOLIN, E=ON, T=4:02, PUR=GENERAL TNO=19, IDX=1, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR OP16, E=ON, T=0:27, PUR=INDEX TNO=19, IDX=2, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR OP16, E=ON, T=8:09, PUR=INDEX TNO=19, IDX=3, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR OP16, E=ON, T=3:37, PUR=INDEX TNO=19, IDX=4, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR OP16, E=ON, T=0:38, PUR=INDEX TNO=19, IDX=5, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR OP16, E=ON, T=5:54, PUR=INDEX TNO=19, IDX=6, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR OP16, E=ON, T=5:44, PUR=INDEX TNO=19, IDX=7, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR OP16, E=ON, T=4:45, PUR=INDEX TNO=19, IDX=8, CNT=CHOPIN:ANDANTE SPIANAT AND GRAND BRILLANTE HIROKO NAKAMURA:PIANO, YOICHIRO OMACHI:CONDUCTOR, TOKYO PHILHARMONIC ORCHESTRA, E=ON, T=10:40, PUR=INDEX TNO=20, IDX=1, CNT=CHOPIN:NOCTURNE NO.2 IN E-FLAT MINOR,OP.9-2 HIROKO NAKAMURA:PIANO, E=OFF, T=4:08, PUR=GENERAL TNO=21, IDX=1, CNT=SL SOUND, E=OFF, T=5:00, PUR=ACCESS TNO=22, IDX=1, CNT=VITIMAE PASCHALI, CANTUS GREGORIANUS COHR:SOCIETA CORALE "CITTA DI PARMA" ITALIA, COND:ANTONIO BURZONI, PIANO:MORENO MORO, E=ON, T=0:23, PUR=ACCESS TOTAL TIME (Including pause time) 68:18 whew that was long! Someone please form a list. Rgds, Khan Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 22:29:28 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:29:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <559795.43263.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah, sorry. I have a bunch of PC boards built up and the code finished, but, I found a problem running it with my RX-505 which required added two transistors to the design which I need to cut traces, solder in the two transistors and wire them up. I'm just about finished with my first run of 12 units. If they sell out I am planning a 2nd batch of 12 or 24 that will be smaller. Here are pictures of the 1st generation units. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Remote_front.jpg http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Remote_back.jpg BTW - It will work with 580, 580M, 581, 581Z, 582, 582Z, 680, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX, 700ZXE, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL, BX-300, CR-2, CR-3, CR-4, CR-5, LX-3, LX-5, MR-1, ZX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9. It will also work with the RX-505 operating the "Reverse" function and with the Dragon operating the Forward and Reverse play functions. Up to three of my units can operate in the same room on different codes selectable via jumpers inside. SJ --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other brands. > Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, the > 'wired' > solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of > multiple > Naks is the ultimate. > I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet > lately... > > So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? > > I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and > Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. > I think there will be a demand for such a unit. > > Any ideas? > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link $420k for $1,399/mo. Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 22:37:17 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:37:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <4560D4CC.7000705@rcn.com> Message-ID: <418532.12659.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow. A $100! With my design the price is going to be $40 and you use your own universal remote programmed for one of the three types of Sony VCR codes. $5 more for Dragon or RX-505 compatible units as they require an external AC adapter. But since Naktalk fanatics exist all over the world (with all types of power and plugs) I'll just sell it without a power adapter. The connector on the back is a fairly common 5.5mm x 2.1mm 5-19V AC or DC (DC adapters require center positive) SJ --- Ron wrote: > > Wouter, > > This has been discussed several times. If the deck has a > wired remote option, then adding a wireless remote control > is relatively easy. At the time, I calculated about $100 > for both an IR receiver (that will plug into the remote > jack on the deck) and a hand held transmitter. IIRC, Nak > models have two (or more?) different jacks. The receiver > can be built for any one type, to be usable by any deck > model that uses that jack pinout. > > I a deck does not have a remote jack, but is electrically > controlled (soft transport buttons), it may be modified by > adding a remote jack, but this is not as trivial. > > -- Ron > > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other brands. > > Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, the > 'wired' > > solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of > multiple > > Naks is the ultimate. > > I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet > lately... > > > > So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? > > > > I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and > > Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. > > I think there will be a demand for such a unit. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Wouter > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 22:48:27 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:48:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Hex codes for Nakamich RM-7 In-Reply-To: <20061120154327.60512.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061120214827.69941.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone interested in a box that could receive codes from a standard universal remote programmed for, let's say for a Sony Tape Deck and then retransmit the command in RM-7 speak to control the CR-7? Anyone want to lend me their RM-7 so I can reverse engineer the data packets? SJ --- Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I have no idea if they would be of any use to Victor or others, but > here are the Hex control code set for an RM-7 remote: > > STOP > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 > 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 > 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 > 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 > 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 > 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 > PLAY > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 > 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 > 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 > 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 > 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 > 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 > REW > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 > 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 > 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 > 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 > 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 > 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 > FFWD > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 > 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 > 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 > 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 > 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 > 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 > PAUSE > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0155 00aa 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 > 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 > 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 > 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 > 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 > 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 05e5 0155 0055 0015 0e35 > REC > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 > 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 > 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 > 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 > 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 > 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 > AZIMUTH - > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0155 00aa 0015 0041 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 > 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 > 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 > 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 > 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 > 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 05e6 0155 0055 0015 0e35 > AZIMUTH + > 0000 006d 0022 0002 0154 00ab 0015 0041 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 > 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 > 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 > 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 > 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 > 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05e6 0154 0055 0016 0e35 > > > rgds > > Khan > > > Dr. N. Khan > Design Engineer > Mequon Manufacture LLC. > CAGE Code 3A3Z8 > 738 Grand Avenue > Mequon, WI 53092 > 414-406-2066 > 262-238-1047 fax> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link $420k for $1,399/mo. Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From emberphoto at hotmail.com Mon Nov 20 22:48:38 2006 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:48:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <418532.12659.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Mon Nov 20 23:07:13 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:07:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, so I missed some of the discussion. Is a doable workup for a wireless remote control established for the 505 atleast? If so, what parts are needed from the end user? Will you have to send a remote in to have it modded? Or use a IrDA compatible machine? -mab _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project Wow, indeed!! It sure didn't take long. And the price is definitely right. So, Scott, as I have an extra Sony deluxe remote of the type that came with SLV-R1000 or SLV-676 high end VCR's, would I assume one of the keys would enable auto reverse on the RX-505? Now, if the jog/shuttle dial could be made to rewind tape at variable speeds in cue-mode. OK, just kidding. But interested in just how the basic operation would work, and you've got a customer. Now, cosidering the lightning speed with which our "NakTalk Rapid Response Tech Team" addressed this challenge, I'm guessing we'll have remote control for the RX-202 at least on the drawing board by, what, day after Thanksgiving? Much appreciation. Steve Ember Steve Steve Ember Steve Ember Media Services 8314 Carrleigh Parkway Springfield, VA 22152 USA 703-451-6999 emberphoto at hotmail.com _____ From: Scott Johnson Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:37:17 -0800 (PST) >Wow. A $100! > >With my design the price is going to be $40 and you use your own >universal remote programmed for one of the three types of Sony VCR >codes. $5 more for Dragon or RX-505 compatible units as they require >an external AC adapter. But since Naktalk fanatics exist all over >the world (with all types of power and plugs) I'll just sell it >without a power adapter. The connector on the back is a fairly >common 5.5mm x 2.1mm 5-19V AC or DC (DC adapters require center >positive) > >SJ > >--- Ron wrote: > > > > > Wouter, > > > > This has been discussed several times. If the deck has a > > wired remote option, then adding a wireless remote control > > is relatively easy. At the time, I calculated about $100 > > for both an IR receiver (that will plug into the remote > > jack on the deck) and a hand held transmitter. IIRC, Nak > > models have two (or more?) different jacks. The receiver > > can be built for any one type, to be usable by any deck > > model that uses that jack pinout. > > > > I a deck does not have a remote jack, but is electrically > > controlled (soft transport buttons), it may be modified by > > adding a remote jack, but this is not as trivial. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other brands. > > > Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, the > > 'wired' > > > solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of > > multiple > > > Naks is the ultimate. > > > I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet > > lately... > > > > > > So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? > > > > > > I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and > > > Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. > > > I think there will be a demand for such a unit. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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URL: From flifton at mac.com Mon Nov 20 23:11:54 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:11:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Remote control project In-Reply-To: <200611201532.kAKFWXuC002948@zxe.naks.com> References: <200611201532.kAKFWXuC002948@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0716887B-1693-4B3C-880F-D60B3DFA8BE6@mac.com> If someone does actually come up with a schematic and parts list, I'd be happy to write up an assembly procedure and BoMs for Mouser and/or Digikey. I'm a tech-writer by trade (amongst other things). cheers, Fred In Portland From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 20 23:14:04 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:14:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remote In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061120143357.06221160@yahoo.com> References: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20061120005824.03729158@yahoo.com> <007b01c70cae$f847b400$b207010a@hurtignok> <7.0.1.0.2.20061120143357.06221160@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <456228AC.8070603@rcn.com> Victor Trifu wrote: > Per, > > Using a universal (even 'learning') remote as the transmitter does seem > like a good choice. > Even if only considering the cost of a custom plastic molded case vs. > the (bad) looks of available off the shelf cases. > On the other hand, if the remote is to control more than one deck at the > same time, a 'normal' universal remote may not be enough. > I was thinking of an IRdA equipped handheld computer with the remote > function being implemented in software. > With that, the only hardware design needed would be for the receiver and > the upgrade kits. > > Victor Victor, You may wish to consider one of the remote control kits available on the market. They come with a hand held transmitter and a PCB for the receiver. Eight to 15 functions should do it. The receiver can be built into a shallow box, to sit on top of the deck. A short cable will plug into the receiver and into the wired remote jack of the deck. Different cables will accommodate different deck models. Unless you implement additional functions (such as On-Off control) or utilize power from the deck where it is not already available in the remote jack, the deck itself will not need to be modified or even opened. I see someone expects an after market RM-7. Yes, it can be done; but not easily and not cheaply. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 20 23:19:40 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:19:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Remotes... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <456229FC.4060708@rcn.com> John Berger wrote: > Has anyone run across a universal remote that knows the codes for the > CR-7 (including the azimuth?) Actually, yes. I have a Marantz RC-5000i (similar to the Philips Pronto) that I 'taught' the RM-7 code to. The original RM-7 has been stored for years, all I use to control the CR-7 is the RC-5000i. BTW, if you want the CCF file, I'll be happy to provide it. You'll need either the Marantz or the Philips S/W to view and/or edit it. -- Ron From fsclaol at yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 00:09:42 2006 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:09:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Was 1000 ZXL Now CD 4 Test CD Message-ID: <20061120230943.49847.qmail@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kahn, Please count me in and send instructions for payment and address. TIA. Fred in CT w/ Squeaky 600 --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310,000 Mortgage for $999/mo - Calculate new house payment -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Nov 21 00:29:07 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:29:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony reference Test CD contents Message-ID: As I mentioned earlier, I'm interested, however, reading the description (and thinking further on your original comments), is this actually a normal duplicatable CD? Or is it more like a test cassette tape in that it has "special" stuff on it that no normal drive would read or burner write correctly? It's the thing about the error rates and such that had me thinking--seems that that would either read "correctly" or "incorrectly" and then be written "correctly" (no errors) in the first case or not at all in the second case.-kby From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 00:42:52 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:42:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sony reference Test CD contents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061120234252.12662.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kimo, I don't have the Sony disc, but, if it's like my Philips Test Sample 5A disc then you are right. My Philips 5A disc has black dots purposely placed on data side of the disc to simulate defect and fingerprints so that you can test your players ability to read through them in a controlled manner. Copying the disc would just record how that reader did on thoses defects. If you ask me, Making a copy of this disc is next to worthless. That's also my opinion of Luis' self made calibration tapes, but, that's just my opinion. SJ --- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > As I mentioned earlier, I'm interested, however, reading the > description (and thinking further on your > original comments), is this actually a normal duplicatable CD? Or > is > it more like a test cassette tape in > that it has "special" stuff on it that no normal drive would read > or > burner write correctly? It's the thing about the > error rates and such that had me thinking--seems that that would > either read "correctly" or "incorrectly" and then > be written "correctly" (no errors) in the first case or not at all > in > the second case.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link $200,000 mortgage for $660/ mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt - http://yahoo.ratemarketplace.com From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 00:50:41 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:50:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony reference Test CD contents In-Reply-To: <20061120234252.12662.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061120234252.12662.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110611201550sfe56524lf923dbddd51811d4@mail.gmail.com> The Sony reference CD to which they refer may be easily checked for intentionally-placed surface defects to determine if this is the case. Also, I think that the functionality of Luis' calibration tape clones is supported by the fact that he uses all produced clones to re-check the settings on his Dragon to verify that they would have the same effect as his factory originals. His process makes sense and is a great idea IMO. -Tim On 11/20/06, Scott Johnson wrote: > > Kimo, I don't have the Sony disc, but, if it's like my Philips Test > Sample 5A disc then you are right. My Philips 5A disc has black dots > purposely placed on data side of the disc to simulate defect and > fingerprints so that you can test your players ability to read > through them in a controlled manner. Copying the disc would just > record how that reader did on thoses defects. If you ask me, Making > a copy of this disc is next to worthless. That's also my opinion of > Luis' self made calibration tapes, but, that's just my opinion. > > SJ > > > > --- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > > As I mentioned earlier, I'm interested, however, reading the > > description (and thinking further on your > > original comments), is this actually a normal duplicatable CD? Or > > is > > it more like a test cassette tape in > > that it has "special" stuff on it that no normal drive would read > > or > > burner write correctly? It's the thing about the > > error rates and such that had me thinking--seems that that would > > either read "correctly" or "incorrectly" and then > > be written "correctly" (no errors) in the first case or not at all > > in > > the second case.-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sponsored Link > > $200,000 mortgage for $660/ mo - > 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt - > http://yahoo.ratemarketplace.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 00:56:07 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:56:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061120235607.5269.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, I'd had my hand wired prototype working with the RX-505 for months. I'm just how updating the design of the PC boards that I made a while back. Any universal will work without modification. If you have an old Sony VCR remote laying around, that will work too. In any universal remote there should be at least three codes in the list for Sony VCR (I was going to design it for Sony tape decks, but, not all the universal remotes would support them, Sony VCRs however are supported by all of them). Those codes will set up the VCR mode for device code 0x02, 0x07 and 0x0B. Hmmm. I'm looking in the code and noticed that I started to add support for Sony LDP (laser disc player). This would not allow for recording (since laser disc players would not recordable), but, that would give the possibility of four of my remote receivers in the same room. SJ --- DM2 wrote: > Ok, so I missed some of the discussion. > > Is a doable workup for a wireless remote control established for > the 505 > atleast? If so, what parts are needed from the end user? Will you > have to > send a remote in to have it modded? Or use a IrDA compatible > machine? > > > > -mab > > > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Steve Ember > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:49 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project > > > > Wow, indeed!! It sure didn't take long. And the price is definitely > right. > > So, Scott, as I have an extra Sony deluxe remote of the type that > came with > SLV-R1000 or SLV-676 high end VCR's, would I assume one of the keys > would > enable auto reverse on the RX-505? Now, if the jog/shuttle dial > could be > made to rewind tape at variable speeds in cue-mode. OK, just > kidding. But > interested in just how the basic operation would work, and you've > got a > customer. > > Now, cosidering the lightning speed with which our "NakTalk Rapid > Response > Tech Team" addressed this challenge, I'm guessing we'll have remote > control > for the RX-202 at least on the drawing board by, what, day after > Thanksgiving? > > Much appreciation. > > Steve Ember > > > > > > Steve > > Steve Ember > > Steve Ember Media Services > > 8314 Carrleigh Parkway > > Springfield, VA 22152 USA > > 703-451-6999 > > emberphoto at hotmail.com > > > > > _____ > > > From: Scott Johnson > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:37:17 -0800 (PST) > >Wow. A $100! > > > >With my design the price is going to be $40 and you use your own > >universal remote programmed for one of the three types of Sony VCR > >codes. $5 more for Dragon or RX-505 compatible units as they > require > >an external AC adapter. But since Naktalk fanatics exist all over > >the world (with all types of power and plugs) I'll just sell it > >without a power adapter. The connector on the back is a fairly > >common 5.5mm x 2.1mm 5-19V AC or DC (DC adapters require center > >positive) > > > >SJ > > > >--- Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Wouter, > > > > > > This has been discussed several times. If the deck has a > > > wired remote option, then adding a wireless remote control > > > is relatively easy. At the time, I calculated about $100 > > > for both an IR receiver (that will plug into the remote > > > jack on the deck) and a hand held transmitter. IIRC, Nak > > > models have two (or more?) different jacks. The receiver > > > can be built for any one type, to be usable by any deck > > > model that uses that jack pinout. > > > > > > I a deck does not have a remote jack, but is electrically > > > controlled (soft transport buttons), it may be modified by > > > adding a remote jack, but this is not as trivial. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other > brands. > > > > Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, the > > > 'wired' > > > > solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of > > > multiple > > > > Naks is the ultimate. > > > > I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet > > > lately... > > > > > > > > So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? > > > > > > > > I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and > > > > Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. > > > > I think there will be a demand for such a unit. > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > _________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 01:11:13 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:11:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <4561D7A8.80402@peromarta.org> References: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4561D7A8.80402@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <6bddc1110611201611r46ee6bd9n7a5e8f36bccec0f2@mail.gmail.com> I would go for EAC'ed and FLAC'ed files also. I have a colo I could host some files on as well. -Tim On 11/20/06, Luis Peromarta wrote: > > How about extracting the contents of the CDR with eac, making a wav/cue > pair, maybe compress it with ape / flac / apple lossless, and putting it > online? Any chance? > > I have some spare bandwith for the upload and download. With two or > three mirrors, we could do it in a matter of days. > > rgds, LP. > > Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > > Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to date > > used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the > > performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and amplification. I > > was given the CD while at training at Sony after moving from the > > Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various tests like pure > > frequency tones and musical passages. It is a unique CD in all respects > > and is made to the strict "Red book" standards. I was wondering if all > > the Nak fans would be interested in copies. I would not recommend making > > "test tapes" from it, but it becomes an excellent tool for TR > > evaluation, when the signal is fed into a TR and played back. I plan to > > send a copy to anyone interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with > > a SASE for returns. Do you think its a good idea?? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 21 01:15:57 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:15:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony reference Test CD contents In-Reply-To: <20061120203213.14633.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4561D7A8.80402@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061120181557.0083be80@earthlink.net> Thanks for retyping all the specs. Unfortunately, the discs principal function is in the physical recording, not in the data on the disc. Copying the data to a CDR will not maintain any of the HF level QC, etc. For anyone interested in the test signals, may I recommend the Denon "audio technical cd " # 38C39-7147. I purchased mine at Tower Records. tom brucker At 12:32 PM 11/20/06 -0800, you wrote: >Luis, I dont have the equipment or the capabilty of >uploading online, but I'll keep my commitment to send >it to anyone who so desires. Please print and save the >following information, as it would save me from making >copies of it and sending it with the CDs. >BTW has anyone come up with a method of forming a list >on Naktalk so everyone interested can just sign on >it?? >Details about the CD are as follows, quoting directly >from the included jacket and some funky english >translation resulting from the original Japanese >text!!: > >SONY TEST CD TYPE 4 >FOR ADJUSTMENTS & CHECKING OF THE PLAYER > >1. PURPOSE: >This test disc is designed to make almost all player >adjustments and measurements on the compact disc >player production line by one sheet of this disc. >This disc is also available in checking of HF >amplitude, eyepattern, servo adjustment, block rate >error, track number, index number, access, etc. in >addition to measuring of audio characteristics. >Namely, conventional test discs are prescribed in >respect only to audio characteristics. However this >test disc is made in agreement with the standards >severer than those described in the C.D. Red booklet >in respect to bifringence, block rate error, I11/Itop, >HF envelope variation, etc. Therefore, the test disc >can also be used as the reference disc on the compact >disc player production line. These standards are >explained in Table 1. >2. Recorded data: >The data recorded on this disc are as shown on Table2. >Note 1. The scanning velocity is 1.25m/sec. >Note 2. Audio characteristic measuring signal area >This refers to track Nos 2-17. >The original signal is the digital combination with a >high accuracy of 99.9999999% by means of computer >simulation. >Note 3. Level setting >In track Nos 2-17, the P-P (peak to peak) maximum >level at which 16 bits are all enabled is taken as 0 >dB. This value is indicated as the playback level. >Note 4. Other music signals >In track No.1 and track Nos 18-22, ordinary tunes are >digitally recorded. Noise may be heard from some >tunes. This noise has entered at the time of >recording. >Note 5. In track No.19 two tunes are recorded for >index number check. Yet, this track number is not >changed. Then, needless to say, the index is varied. >In this case, the index is not necessarily varied >according to the movements of the tunes. >Note 6. In track No.19, 21 and 22, tunes are not >entirely recorded because of their purpose, and are >faded out in the predetermined time. >Note 7. In track Nos.21 and 22, no index No.0 exists. >(pause time = 0 sec) > >TABLE 1. >Scanning velocity---1.25m/sec >Bifringence---<50nm (Double Pass) >Block Error Rate---<4x10 -3 [averaged over any 10 sec] >I11/I top variation---0.78 (to be fixed)<+-0.03 (on >one master) [measured by Sony reference player] >Variation in DC Level of HF envelope I11-Top, >I11-bottom, I3 top, I3 bottom---<3%p-p (each item) >[excluding bifringence, variation during one >revolution normalized by I top averaged over one >revolution] >Variation in amplitude of HF envelope---<3%p-p >[excluding bifringence] >Other Items---Refer to Red Booklet > >TABLE 2.[TNO=Track No., CNT=Content, E=Emphasis, >PUR=Purpose, T=Time] >TNO=1, IDX=1, CNT=Air Glow theme of CD Composition: >FUMITAKA ANZAI, MASAMICHI AMANO, E=ON, T=3:34, >PUR=General > >TNO=2, IDX=1, CNT=1KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L&R, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=REFERENCE > >TNO=3, IDX=1, CNT=20Hz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L&R, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=FREQUENCY RESPONSE, THD vs FREQ MODULATION >NOISE > >TNO=4, IDX=1, CNT=100Hz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L&R, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=FREQUENCY RESPONSE, THD vs FREQ MODULATION >NOISE > >TNO=5, IDX=1, CNT=10KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L&R, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=FREQUENCY RESPONSE, THD vs FREQ MODULATION >NOISE > >TNO=6, IDX=1, CNT=20KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L&R, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=FREQUENCY RESPONSE, THD vs FREQ MODULATION >NOISE > >TNO=7, IDX=1, CNT=INFINITY ZERO -INFINITY dB,L&R, >E=OFF, T=0:56, PUR=S/N > >TNO=8, IDX=1, CNT=1KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=CHANNEL SEPARATION > >TNO=9, IDX=1, CNT=10KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,L, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=CHANNEL SEPARATION > >TNO=10, IDX=1, CNT=1KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,R, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=CHANNEL SEPARATION > >TNO=11, IDX=1, CNT=10KHz SINE WAVE, 0dB,R, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=CHANNEL SEPARATION > >TNO=12, IDX=1, CNT=5KHz SINE WAVE, -4.53dB,L&R, E=ON, >T=0:56, PUR=DE EMPHASIS > >TNO=13, IDX=1, CNT=16KHz SINE WAVE, -9.04dB,L&R, E=ON, >T=0:56, PUR=DE EMPHASIS > >TNO=14, IDX=1, CNT=100Hz SINE WAVE, -20dB,L&R, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=TONE CONTROL FREQUENCY RESPONSE > >TNO=15, IDX=1, CNT=1KHz SINE WAVE, -20dB,L&R, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=TONE CONTROL FREQUENCY RESPONSE > >TNO=16, IDX=1, CNT=10KHz SINE WAVE, -20dB,L&R, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=TONE CONTROL FREQUENCY RESPONSE > >TNO=17, IDX=1, CNT=1KHz SINE WAVE, -60dB,L&R, E=OFF, >T=0:56, PUR=DYNAMIC RANGE > >TNO=18, IDX=1, CNT=PAGANINI:CANTIBLE OP.17 >TEIKPMAEHASHI:VIOLIN, E=ON, T=4:02, PUR=GENERAL > >TNO=19, IDX=1, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR >OP16, E=ON, T=0:27, PUR=INDEX > >TNO=19, IDX=2, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR >OP16, E=ON, T=8:09, PUR=INDEX > >TNO=19, IDX=3, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR >OP16, E=ON, T=3:37, PUR=INDEX > >TNO=19, IDX=4, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR >OP16, E=ON, T=0:38, PUR=INDEX > >TNO=19, IDX=5, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR >OP16, E=ON, T=5:54, PUR=INDEX > >TNO=19, IDX=6, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR >OP16, E=ON, T=5:44, PUR=INDEX > >TNO=19, IDX=7, CNT=GRIEG:PIANO CONCERTO IN A MINOR >OP16, E=ON, T=4:45, PUR=INDEX > >TNO=19, IDX=8, CNT=CHOPIN:ANDANTE SPIANAT AND GRAND >BRILLANTE HIROKO NAKAMURA:PIANO, YOICHIRO >OMACHI:CONDUCTOR, TOKYO PHILHARMONIC ORCHESTRA, E=ON, >T=10:40, PUR=INDEX > >TNO=20, IDX=1, CNT=CHOPIN:NOCTURNE NO.2 IN E-FLAT >MINOR,OP.9-2 HIROKO NAKAMURA:PIANO, E=OFF, T=4:08, >PUR=GENERAL > >TNO=21, IDX=1, CNT=SL SOUND, E=OFF, T=5:00, PUR=ACCESS > >TNO=22, IDX=1, CNT=VITIMAE PASCHALI, CANTUS >GREGORIANUS COHR:SOCIETA CORALE "CITTA DI PARMA" >ITALIA, COND:ANTONIO BURZONI, PIANO:MORENO MORO, E=ON, >T=0:23, PUR=ACCESS > >TOTAL TIME (Including pause time) 68:18 > > >whew that was long! > >Someone please form a list. > >Rgds, > >Khan > > > > >Dr. N. Khan >Design Engineer >Mequon Manufacture LLC. >CAGE Code 3A3Z8 >738 Grand Avenue >Mequon, WI 53092 >414-406-2066 >262-238-1047 fax >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 01:19:49 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:19:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <20061120235607.5269.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061121001949.49447.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think I can establish a circuit along the lines that Victor has outlined. It should serve up our needs nicely. I made a wired remote that controlled a 1000ZXL (both mechanism + RAMM) from a PC via a USB port. I think this should be a lot easier then that! Bala Scott Johnson wrote: Yes, I'd had my hand wired prototype working with the RX-505 for months. I'm just how updating the design of the PC boards that I made a while back. Any universal will work without modification. If you have an old Sony VCR remote laying around, that will work too. In any universal remote there should be at least three codes in the list for Sony VCR (I was going to design it for Sony tape decks, but, not all the universal remotes would support them, Sony VCRs however are supported by all of them). Those codes will set up the VCR mode for device code 0x02, 0x07 and 0x0B. Hmmm. I'm looking in the code and noticed that I started to add support for Sony LDP (laser disc player). This would not allow for recording (since laser disc players would not recordable), but, that would give the possibility of four of my remote receivers in the same room. SJ --- DM2 wrote: > Ok, so I missed some of the discussion. > > Is a doable workup for a wireless remote control established for > the 505 > atleast? If so, what parts are needed from the end user? Will you > have to > send a remote in to have it modded? Or use a IrDA compatible > machine? > > > > -mab > > > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Steve Ember > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:49 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project > > > > Wow, indeed!! It sure didn't take long. And the price is definitely > right. > > So, Scott, as I have an extra Sony deluxe remote of the type that > came with > SLV-R1000 or SLV-676 high end VCR's, would I assume one of the keys > would > enable auto reverse on the RX-505? Now, if the jog/shuttle dial > could be > made to rewind tape at variable speeds in cue-mode. OK, just > kidding. But > interested in just how the basic operation would work, and you've > got a > customer. > > Now, cosidering the lightning speed with which our "NakTalk Rapid > Response > Tech Team" addressed this challenge, I'm guessing we'll have remote > control > for the RX-202 at least on the drawing board by, what, day after > Thanksgiving? > > Much appreciation. > > Steve Ember > > > > > > Steve > > Steve Ember > > Steve Ember Media Services > > 8314 Carrleigh Parkway > > Springfield, VA 22152 USA > > 703-451-6999 > > emberphoto at hotmail.com > > > > > _____ > > > From: Scott Johnson > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:37:17 -0800 (PST) > >Wow. A $100! > > > >With my design the price is going to be $40 and you use your own > >universal remote programmed for one of the three types of Sony VCR > >codes. $5 more for Dragon or RX-505 compatible units as they > require > >an external AC adapter. But since Naktalk fanatics exist all over > >the world (with all types of power and plugs) I'll just sell it > >without a power adapter. The connector on the back is a fairly > >common 5.5mm x 2.1mm 5-19V AC or DC (DC adapters require center > >positive) > > > >SJ > > > >--- Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Wouter, > > > > > > This has been discussed several times. If the deck has a > > > wired remote option, then adding a wireless remote control > > > is relatively easy. At the time, I calculated about $100 > > > for both an IR receiver (that will plug into the remote > > > jack on the deck) and a hand held transmitter. IIRC, Nak > > > models have two (or more?) different jacks. The receiver > > > can be built for any one type, to be usable by any deck > > > model that uses that jack pinout. > > > > > > I a deck does not have a remote jack, but is electrically > > > controlled (soft transport buttons), it may be modified by > > > adding a remote jack, but this is not as trivial. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other > brands. > > > > Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, the > > > 'wired' > > > > solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of > > > multiple > > > > Naks is the ultimate. > > > > I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet > > > lately... > > > > > > > > So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? > > > > > > > > I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and > > > > Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. > > > > I think there will be a demand for such a unit. > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > _________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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URL: From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 02:18:55 2006 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:18:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <559795.43263.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> <559795.43263.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061120201610.04757a30@yahoo.com> Scott, Congratulations, you seem to be quite far along with the Nak remote. There is little sense in duplicating your efforts, so I may reconsider starting another Nak Remote project... Victor At 04:29 PM 11/20/2006, you wrote: >Yeah, sorry. I have a bunch of PC boards built up and the code >finished, but, I found a problem running it with my RX-505 which >required added two transistors to the design which I need to cut >traces, solder in the two transistors and wire them up. I'm just >about finished with my first run of 12 units. If they sell out I am >planning a 2nd batch of 12 or 24 that will be smaller. > >Here are pictures of the 1st generation units. >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Remote_front.jpg >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Remote_back.jpg > >BTW - It will work with 580, 580M, 581, 581Z, 582, 582Z, 680, 680ZX, >681ZX, 682ZX, 700ZXE, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL, BX-300, CR-2, CR-3, CR-4, >CR-5, LX-3, LX-5, MR-1, ZX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9. It will also work with the >RX-505 operating the "Reverse" function and with the Dragon operating >the Forward and Reverse play functions. Up to three of my units can >operate in the same room on different codes selectable via jumpers >inside. > >SJ >--- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other brands. > > Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, the > > 'wired' > > solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of > > multiple > > Naks is the ultimate. > > I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet > > lately... > > > > So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? > > > > I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and > > Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. > > I think there will be a demand for such a unit. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Wouter > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Sponsored Link > >$420k for $1,399/mo. >Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? >Find Out! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Nov 21 02:28:33 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:28:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061120134026.9750.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <791C1106-0080-4A37-8281-D672F1C05CB9@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Khan! Wow! Small world! I've been looking for a copy of the Sony CD4 test CD! Perfect timing on your part! Fab-u-lous! is it a good idea? Yes! I'll send you two CD-Rs so I can have a backup in case one is damaged or becomes defective. On Nov 20, 2006, at 7:40 AM, Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > Kermit.. Hi, I have a SONY original CD called "CD4", which is to > date used by all CD player manufacturers to evaluate and align the > performance of the CD pickup and all stages of DA and > amplification. I was given the CD while at training at Sony after > moving from the Nakamichi Labs. It is very useful and has various > tests like pure frequency tones and musical passages. It is a > unique CD in all respects and is made to the strict "Red book" > standards. I was wondering if all the Nak fans would be interested > in copies. I would not recommend making "test tapes" from it, but > it becomes an excellent tool for TR evaluation, when the signal is > fed into a TR and played back. I plan to send a copy to anyone > interested provided they send me a blank CD-R with a SASE for > returns. Do you think its a good idea?? > > > > Dr. N. Khan > Design Engineer > Mequon Manufacture LLC. > CAGE Code 3A3Z8 > 738 Grand Avenue > Mequon, WI 53092 > 414-406-2066 > 262-238-1047 fax > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will split them up at my discretion and send them to up to 3 people in Australia (please state tape preferences, yes I know most of you will want the SA-X's!), or anyone else who can provide me an easy way to post it to them (e.g. Australia Post prepaid envelope sent to me, or will send me Paypal payment for postage). I think most of them are in reasonable shape, they've been stored in moderately good From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 06:03:58 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:03:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <20061121001949.49447.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <290884.84531.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Cool. Did you use the FT245 chip from FTDI? If anyone is looking to build any projects that interface via USB look into this chip. I makes things a lot easier (almost simple). SJ --- Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I think I can establish a circuit along the lines that Victor has > outlined. It should serve up our needs nicely. I made a wired > remote that controlled a 1000ZXL (both mechanism + RAMM) from a PC > via a USB port. I think this should be a lot easier then that! > > Bala > > Scott Johnson wrote: Yes, I'd had my hand wired > prototype working with the RX-505 for > months. I'm just how updating the design of the PC boards that I > made a while back. > > Any universal will work without modification. If you have an old > Sony VCR remote laying around, that will work too. In any > universal > remote there should be at least three codes in the list for Sony > VCR > (I was going to design it for Sony tape decks, but, not all the > universal remotes would support them, Sony VCRs however are > supported > by all of them). Those codes will set up the VCR mode for device > code 0x02, 0x07 and 0x0B. Hmmm. I'm looking in the code and > noticed > that I started to add support for Sony LDP (laser disc player). > This > would not allow for recording (since laser disc players would not > recordable), but, that would give the possibility of four of my > remote receivers in the same room. > > SJ > --- DM2 wrote: > > > Ok, so I missed some of the discussion. > > > > Is a doable workup for a wireless remote control established for > > the 505 > > atleast? If so, what parts are needed from the end user? Will you > > have to > > send a remote in to have it modded? Or use a IrDA compatible > > machine? > > > > > > > > -mab > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On > > Behalf > > Of Steve Ember > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:49 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project > > > > > > > > Wow, indeed!! It sure didn't take long. And the price is > definitely > > right. > > > > So, Scott, as I have an extra Sony deluxe remote of the type that > > came with > > SLV-R1000 or SLV-676 high end VCR's, would I assume one of the > keys > > would > > enable auto reverse on the RX-505? Now, if the jog/shuttle dial > > could be > > made to rewind tape at variable speeds in cue-mode. OK, just > > kidding. But > > interested in just how the basic operation would work, and you've > > got a > > customer. > > > > Now, cosidering the lightning speed with which our "NakTalk Rapid > > Response > > Tech Team" addressed this challenge, I'm guessing we'll have > remote > > control > > for the RX-202 at least on the drawing board by, what, day after > > Thanksgiving? > > > > Much appreciation. > > > > Steve Ember > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > Steve Ember > > > > Steve Ember Media Services > > > > 8314 Carrleigh Parkway > > > > Springfield, VA 22152 USA > > > > 703-451-6999 > > > > emberphoto at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: Scott Johnson > > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project > > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:37:17 -0800 (PST) > > >Wow. A $100! > > > > > >With my design the price is going to be $40 and you use your own > > >universal remote programmed for one of the three types of Sony > VCR > > >codes. $5 more for Dragon or RX-505 compatible units as they > > require > > >an external AC adapter. But since Naktalk fanatics exist all > over > > >the world (with all types of power and plugs) I'll just sell it > > >without a power adapter. The connector on the back is a fairly > > >common 5.5mm x 2.1mm 5-19V AC or DC (DC adapters require center > > >positive) > > > > > >SJ > > > > > >--- Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Wouter, > > > > > > > > This has been discussed several times. If the deck has a > > > > wired remote option, then adding a wireless remote control > > > > is relatively easy. At the time, I calculated about $100 > > > > for both an IR receiver (that will plug into the remote > > > > jack on the deck) and a hand held transmitter. IIRC, Nak > > > > models have two (or more?) different jacks. The receiver > > > > can be built for any one type, to be usable by any deck > > > > model that uses that jack pinout. > > > > > > > > I a deck does not have a remote jack, but is electrically > > > > controlled (soft transport buttons), it may be modified by > > > > adding a remote jack, but this is not as trivial. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > > > Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other > > brands. > > > > > Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, > the > > > > 'wired' > > > > > solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of > > > > multiple > > > > > Naks is the ultimate. > > > > > I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet > > > > lately... > > > > > > > > > > So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? > > > > > > > > > > I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and > > > > > Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. > > > > > I think there will be a demand for such a unit. > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Online or Campus degree Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's in less than one year.www.findtherightschool.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 06:33:33 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:33:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My RX-505 died In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061120201610.04757a30@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061121053333.96944.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just as the ball was getting rolling again on the Wireless Remote project I run into a snag. My RX-505 stopped working. Turned it on and no counter display and no transport indictors. None of the transport buttons work. Capstans are turning though. Anyway, I thought I'd tackle the problem after dinner. 30 minutes later I'm back in business. Fuse F403, 1A was blown, output of bridge rectifier D404 was shorted. Short was caused by bad capacitor C411, 100uf, 16V. Replaced cap and now it works fine again and as an added bonus the slight buzz I had before is now gone. Back to remote testing. SJ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Loan for $1399/mo. Calcuate new payment. www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 07:06:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:06:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <290884.84531.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061121060648.86640.qmail@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, I used the FT232 to talk to a microcontroller. I did it more for the fun then for practicality. Would a small LCD screen or OEL screen be attractive on the remote itself? Bala Scott Johnson wrote: Bala, Cool. Did you use the FT245 chip from FTDI? If anyone is looking to build any projects that interface via USB look into this chip. I makes things a lot easier (almost simple). SJ --- Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I think I can establish a circuit along the lines that Victor has > outlined. It should serve up our needs nicely. I made a wired > remote that controlled a 1000ZXL (both mechanism + RAMM) from a PC > via a USB port. I think this should be a lot easier then that! > > Bala > > Scott Johnson wrote: Yes, I'd had my hand wired > prototype working with the RX-505 for > months. I'm just how updating the design of the PC boards that I > made a while back. > > Any universal will work without modification. If you have an old > Sony VCR remote laying around, that will work too. In any > universal > remote there should be at least three codes in the list for Sony > VCR > (I was going to design it for Sony tape decks, but, not all the > universal remotes would support them, Sony VCRs however are > supported > by all of them). Those codes will set up the VCR mode for device > code 0x02, 0x07 and 0x0B. Hmmm. I'm looking in the code and > noticed > that I started to add support for Sony LDP (laser disc player). > This > would not allow for recording (since laser disc players would not > recordable), but, that would give the possibility of four of my > remote receivers in the same room. > > SJ > --- DM2 wrote: > > > Ok, so I missed some of the discussion. > > > > Is a doable workup for a wireless remote control established for > > the 505 > > atleast? If so, what parts are needed from the end user? Will you > > have to > > send a remote in to have it modded? Or use a IrDA compatible > > machine? > > > > > > > > -mab > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On > > Behalf > > Of Steve Ember > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:49 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project > > > > > > > > Wow, indeed!! It sure didn't take long. And the price is > definitely > > right. > > > > So, Scott, as I have an extra Sony deluxe remote of the type that > > came with > > SLV-R1000 or SLV-676 high end VCR's, would I assume one of the > keys > > would > > enable auto reverse on the RX-505? Now, if the jog/shuttle dial > > could be > > made to rewind tape at variable speeds in cue-mode. OK, just > > kidding. But > > interested in just how the basic operation would work, and you've > > got a > > customer. > > > > Now, cosidering the lightning speed with which our "NakTalk Rapid > > Response > > Tech Team" addressed this challenge, I'm guessing we'll have > remote > > control > > for the RX-202 at least on the drawing board by, what, day after > > Thanksgiving? > > > > Much appreciation. > > > > Steve Ember > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > Steve Ember > > > > Steve Ember Media Services > > > > 8314 Carrleigh Parkway > > > > Springfield, VA 22152 USA > > > > 703-451-6999 > > > > emberphoto at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: Scott Johnson > > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote control project > > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:37:17 -0800 (PST) > > >Wow. A $100! > > > > > >With my design the price is going to be $40 and you use your own > > >universal remote programmed for one of the three types of Sony > VCR > > >codes. $5 more for Dragon or RX-505 compatible units as they > > require > > >an external AC adapter. But since Naktalk fanatics exist all > over > > >the world (with all types of power and plugs) I'll just sell it > > >without a power adapter. The connector on the back is a fairly > > >common 5.5mm x 2.1mm 5-19V AC or DC (DC adapters require center > > >positive) > > > > > >SJ > > > > > >--- Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Wouter, > > > > > > > > This has been discussed several times. If the deck has a > > > > wired remote option, then adding a wireless remote control > > > > is relatively easy. At the time, I calculated about $100 > > > > for both an IR receiver (that will plug into the remote > > > > jack on the deck) and a hand held transmitter. IIRC, Nak > > > > models have two (or more?) different jacks. The receiver > > > > can be built for any one type, to be usable by any deck > > > > model that uses that jack pinout. > > > > > > > > I a deck does not have a remote jack, but is electrically > > > > controlled (soft transport buttons), it may be modified by > > > > adding a remote jack, but this is not as trivial. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > > > Like many I own several Naks and even decks from other > > brands. > > > > > Remote crontrolling my decks would be a great advantage, > the > > > > 'wired' > > > > > solutions are nice but wireless is preferred and control of > > > > multiple > > > > > Naks is the ultimate. > > > > > I know Scott has been busy with this but he has been quiet > > > > lately... > > > > > > > > > > So anyone wishes to step in and make a modern solution? > > > > > > > > > > I'm willing to place special ebay ads on Naks.com and > > > > > Vintagecassette.com to help sell such a unit. > > > > > I think there will be a demand for such a unit. > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Online or Campus degree Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's in less than one year.www.findtherightschool.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Nov 21 09:17:38 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:17:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <418532.12659.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4560D4CC.7000705@rcn.com> <418532.12659.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:37:17 -0800 (PST), Scott Johnson wrote: >Wow. A $100! > >With my design the price is going to be $40 and you use your own >universal remote programmed for one of the three types of Sony VCR >codes. $5 more for Dragon or RX-505 compatible units as they require >an external AC adapter. Yes but that would increase the weight unnesecarily..... >But since Naktalk fanatics exist all over >the world (with all types of power and plugs) I'll just sell it >without a power adapter. The connector on the back is a fairly >common 5.5mm x 2.1mm 5-19V AC or DC (DC adapters require center >positive) ....Most people have an adequate wallwart lying about from something that broke. I have about 40-50 of them in a suitcase in my cellar. Mostly 9V. One for all is ideal for more than one point of view, buying bulk is one, simplicity is another. But the weight of the package would be bigger, and going for just a socket to accept it you can select a voltage most used like 9V and most people will have something lying about. This would get rid of the need for a universal type that you can send to any place with 50/60 Hz and 110/115/220/240 V. Such must have autoselect and a selection of connectors to be useful everywhere. The best remote receiver would be one for which the functions and deck-connector can be altered quickly and selected for other devices. Such as a - JVC (I have a DD-5 cassette) 8-pin DIN. - Studer/ReVox uses a 6-pin DIN and also a RS-232 interface on the Studer A721. - Teac (uses 3 types that I know) Long square, Large round, and 4pin mini DIN. - Technics (uses 2 types that I know), 11-pin large round, and 8-pin DIN. - Akai (uses 2 types that I know) 11-pin large round, and 8-pin DIN. - Tascam, long square. Most vcr remotes support selecting on the remote for 2 vcrs, this could be useful to have two receivers for cassettes or one for cassette and use the remote with the vcr. Perhaps you could have the vcr remotes extra buttons make some kind of crude selection between several of your type of receivers? Or place an on/off button the the top or front of the receiver? So the receiver doesn't have to be disconnected or moved onto to receive unintended signals? Of all the decks I have only the Teac X-2000 series has the connector on the front. All the others have it on the back. -Mikkel From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Nov 21 10:05:28 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:05:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <20061121001949.49447.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061121001949.49447.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10089.212.78.164.66.1164099928.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Bala, This sounds COOL! Did you also have software to display the counter? This sounds like a nice gadget.... is it 'production' ready? I would certainly like to have one of these.. Wouter > I think I can establish a circuit along the lines that Victor has > outlined. It should serve up our needs nicely. I made a wired remote that > controlled a 1000ZXL (both mechanism + RAMM) from a PC via a USB port. I > think this should be a lot easier then that! > > Bala From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 10:18:42 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:18:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <10089.212.78.164.66.1164099928.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20061121091842.32660.qmail@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter, It worked off a bread-board and used a small VB applet. I didn't think it will really work as a commercial project. The counter interfaces with the computers, but why not :) Regards Bala Ganesh Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Bala, This sounds COOL! Did you also have software to display the counter? This sounds like a nice gadget.... is it 'production' ready? I would certainly like to have one of these.. Wouter > I think I can establish a circuit along the lines that Victor has > outlined. It should serve up our needs nicely. I made a wired remote that > controlled a 1000ZXL (both mechanism + RAMM) from a PC via a USB port. I > think this should be a lot easier then that! > > Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Degrees for working adults in as fast as 1 year. Bachelors, Masters, Associates. Top schools -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From salimarz at telkom.net Tue Nov 21 12:24:52 2006 From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marz) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:24:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] My RX-505 died References: <20061121053333.96944.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901c70d5f$aa3a2520$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Ah, I wish I can have 30 of your minutes to get my 505 back to work. =) Probably mine got same weak caps in that area too, thanks ! sm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] My RX-505 died > Just as the ball was getting rolling again on the Wireless Remote > project I run into a snag. My RX-505 stopped working. Turned it on > and no counter display and no transport indictors. None of the > transport buttons work. Capstans are turning though. Anyway, I > thought I'd tackle the problem after dinner. 30 minutes later I'm > back in business. Fuse F403, 1A was blown, output of bridge > rectifier D404 was shorted. Short was caused by bad capacitor C411, > 100uf, 16V. Replaced cap and now it works fine again and as an added > bonus the slight buzz I had before is now gone. > > Back to remote testing. > > SJ > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Sponsored Link > > Rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Loan for $1399/mo. > Calcuate new payment. www.LowerMyBills.com/lre > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From DM2 at marctronixx.com Tue Nov 21 13:31:59 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:31:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My RX-505 died In-Reply-To: <20061121053333.96944.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wow took you 30 minutes to figure that out? Mane that's awesome. I would have not known what to do and I even have the service manual. Il lkeep this post in mind incase mine ever slips up... -mab > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Scott Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:34 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] My RX-505 died > > Just as the ball was getting rolling again on the Wireless Remote > project I run into a snag. My RX-505 stopped working. Turned it on > and no counter display and no transport indictors. None of the > transport buttons work. Capstans are turning though. Anyway, I > thought I'd tackle the problem after dinner. 30 minutes later I'm > back in business. Fuse F403, 1A was blown, output of bridge > rectifier D404 was shorted. Short was caused by bad capacitor C411, > 100uf, 16V. Replaced cap and now it works fine again and as an added > bonus the slight buzz I had before is now gone. > > Back to remote testing. > > SJ From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Nov 21 15:38:06 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:38:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] DR-5 Message-ID: <21348.212.78.164.66.1164119886.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, While investigating into the Nak full product catalog I came across the DR-5 cassette deck that was an optional part of the CMS-5 mini system that also had the optional MD-5 minidisk!! I suppose this set was made by Sony? The DR-5 even had Dolby HX pro so I cannot imagine Nak made it... Anyway it's in the database.. Who has more knowlegde of this set and/or pictures? Or even a scanned brochure? Wouter From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 15:50:54 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 06:50:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My RX-505 died In-Reply-To: <002901c70d5f$aa3a2520$6401a8c0@pavilyun> Message-ID: <20061121145054.98618.qmail@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Salim, Which area of Indonesia are you in? I should be going down towards Cimahi sometimes next month. Best Regards Bala Ganesh Salim Marz wrote: Ah, I wish I can have 30 of your minutes to get my 505 back to work. =) Probably mine got same weak caps in that area too, thanks ! sm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] My RX-505 died > Just as the ball was getting rolling again on the Wireless Remote > project I run into a snag. My RX-505 stopped working. Turned it on > and no counter display and no transport indictors. None of the > transport buttons work. Capstans are turning though. Anyway, I > thought I'd tackle the problem after dinner. 30 minutes later I'm > back in business. Fuse F403, 1A was blown, output of bridge > rectifier D404 was shorted. Short was caused by bad capacitor C411, > 100uf, 16V. Replaced cap and now it works fine again and as an added > bonus the slight buzz I had before is now gone. > > Back to remote testing. > > SJ > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Sponsored Link > > Rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Loan for $1399/mo. > Calcuate new payment. www.LowerMyBills.com/lre > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near historic lows: $150,000 loan as low as $579/mo. 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Or even a scanned >brochure? > >Wouter > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From paulcar at caribsurf.com Tue Nov 21 19:46:23 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:46:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Capstan Belt Message-ID: <4563497F.10902@caribsurf.com> Dean Some time ago you sent be a belt and asked if it would fit the BX300. It looked rather small to me so I planned to remove the fitted belt and measure it. I was not sure how to get it out and other chores got in the way so nothing was done. I decided just now I would have a look at removing the belt. I opened the BX300 and switched it on. The fitted belt, which had stuck to the capstan while it was lying idle, broke! I extracted the broken belt and measured the length as 8.75" Calculating the diameter by dividing this by pi I get 2.785" allowing for a little stretch, perhaps 2.75"? Looking at the size of the capstan etc, I was not convinced, so I took a piece of wire and fed it around the two wheels and measured the length - it was 9.5" which works out to 3" diameter! I searched to see if a piece of the original belt was left anywhere but it does not appear so. I cannot explain the difference in the two measurements ....... If I flatten your belt which is still sealed in the plastic, it is 3.125", so doubling that for the circumference would be 6.25" and dividing by pi, it would be 2" in diameter. so I would say it is not a fit for the BX300. I'll post it back to you Regards Paul From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 21 20:17:45 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:17:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: <4563497F.10902@caribsurf.com> References: <4563497F.10902@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <456350D9.7020406@rcn.com> Paul Carrington wrote: > Dean > Some time ago you sent be a belt and asked if it would fit the BX300. > It looked rather small to me so I planned to remove the fitted belt > and measure it. I was not sure how to get it out and other chores got > in the way so nothing was done. > > I decided just now I would have a look at removing the belt. I opened > the BX300 and switched it on. The fitted belt, which had stuck to the > capstan while it was lying idle, broke! I extracted the broken belt and > measured the length as 8.75" Calculating the diameter by dividing this > by pi I get 2.785" allowing for a little stretch, perhaps 2.75"? The diameter is kinda immaterial. Best way to size a belt is what you did to dean's belt: lay it flat, measure and double the figure to get the circumference. > Looking at the size of the capstan etc, I was not convinced, so I took a > piece of wire and fed it around the two wheels and measured the length - > it was 9.5" which works out to 3" diameter! I searched to see if a piece >of the original belt was left anywhere but it does not appear so. I > cannot explain the difference in the two measurements ... Simple. In use, the 8.5" belt is stretched to 9.5", which is as it should be. > If I flatten your belt which is still sealed in the plastic, it is > 3.125", so doubling that for the circumference would be 6.25" and > dividing by pi, it would be 2" in diameter. so I would say it is not a > fit for the BX300. I'll post it back to you I seem to remember that we concluded Dean didn't have a replacement belt for the CR-7, which is the same as the belt for the BX-300 (P/N OC80634A). Dean, if by now you do, please let me know. -- Ron > > Regards > Paul > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From rjkent at comcast.net Tue Nov 21 22:14:53 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:14:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 Refurb Message-ID: <000a01c70db2$1701c440$0301a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> To any members interested in the T-100, I offer the following exchange between myself and Tom Brucker regarding my newly acquired T-100 and my efforts at getting it to work consistently. Tom was kind enough to give me some pointers along the way, and his emails are included with his permission. I'm sorry for the length of the post.....those with no interest in the T-100 should probably skip ahead. Robert Kent While doing Frequency Response (1.1 in the Owner's Manual) and Speed and W&F (1.5 in the Owner's Manual) tests, sometimes it is steady, with equal readings in the two meters, then they jump or fall for no reason and give unequal or different readings......and tapping on the display with my finger will make it change...sometimes back to steady again...sounds like bad contacts? The meters on my CR-4 stay rock solid through all of this. > I think if you clean the left function switch with deoxit it will cure > your problems. Cleaning the 2 vertical range switches might also do the trick. > The display itself is generally immune from connection problems. There is a > connector on one side but it seems pretty solid. The second trick on these is to > remove each modular board (label the slots) and with a pointy tool nudge > each gold finger towards the center of the slot. This increases the contact > tension. > tom Well, I took all of the T-100 modules apart so I could access the switches. I cleaned them in place with Caig DeOxit, cycling them many times. I also removed and cleaned all the cable connectors, and cleaned and 'tightened' the plug-in circuit board edge connectors as you suggested. Finally, since it was begging to be looked at, I opened the gas display module and there I found the small PCB with the edge connector for the actual meters was slightly loose (1 small screw holds it in), so I pulled it out, cleaned the connectors, and re-tightened it. Then I blew out all the remaining DeOxit around the switches until dry, and reassembled. Now it seems to work fine. One question though.....when switching frequencies on the oscillator, on about half of the frequencies, the output level drops way down just after switching, then rises back up quickly....is this normal? >The oscillator circuit gain has a slow AGC circuit, so it takes a while to >settle and is normal. >Tom During disassembly I also found that two of the four threaded studs on the back of the switch cover plate had been broken off (probably over-tightened by someone), but they were on opposite corners, so the remaining two hold it fine (I can always thru bolt them with some nice black pan head socket screws if another one ever breaks). I've been playing with it doing frequency response, line amp, and W&F checks. It's very interesting, but I have a way to go to become proficient with it. At first I thought it was slightly out of adjustment because one channel was off from the other by 1 or 1 1/2 of the very tiny segments consistently, but then I tried it on another deck, and it was off just one segment in the other direction, so it was the deck rather than the T-100 I suppose. >The T100 segments are a bit different than the tape decks. What I do for >line adjustments is set so the next segment just illuminates. There is a >zone of uncertainty in any digital display, and this seems to be the best >way to cope. In playback, the levels jump a bit, so you eyeball the >levels. I like to set the bias to give about +1/2 dB higher level during >calibration. It compensates for bias trap leakage and self erasure. >tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 22 00:18:40 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:18:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] DR-5 In-Reply-To: <21348.212.78.164.66.1164119886.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <916648.11443.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh, is that what the DR-5 is. I have it listed in my Nakamichi Model List web page, but, I have no data on it. The CMS-5 and MD-5 aren't even on my list at all. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Model_List.html SJ --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > While investigating into the Nak full product catalog I came across > the > DR-5 cassette deck that was an optional part of the CMS-5 mini > system that > also had the optional MD-5 minidisk!! I suppose this set was made > by Sony? > The DR-5 even had Dolby HX pro so I cannot imagine Nak made it... > Anyway > it's in the database.. > > Who has more knowlegde of this set and/or pictures? Or even a > scanned > brochure? > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Compare mortgage rates for today. Get up to 5 free quotes. www2.nextag.com From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Nov 22 09:24:06 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:24:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] DR-5 Message-ID: <14351.212.78.164.66.1164183846.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> The CMS-5 contained the RE-5, CD-5, SP-5 (speakers to confuse us) and had the MD-5 and DR-5 as optional components. This set was 'available in asia only'.. I've added the small picture I found while googling. It's listed in the database http://www.vintagecassette.com/Nakamichi/DR-5 Wouter > Oh, is that what the DR-5 is. I have it listed in my Nakamichi Model > List web page, but, I have no data on it. The CMS-5 and MD-5 aren't > even on my list at all. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Model_List.html > > SJ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dr5.gif Type: image/gif Size: 6282 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mballard73 at verizon.net Wed Nov 22 19:40:58 2006 From: mballard73 at verizon.net (Mark Ballard) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:40:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 issues (new member, easy on me please) Message-ID: <456499BA.3030302@verizon.net> I bought a BX-2 on ebay a while back just as a project to learn and maybe fix the unit. It was a little less than $30.00 and that included the shipping so I knew I would get hurt much either way this turned out. This little guy is near prefect cosmetically. ebay listing (compacted) below: *Nakamichi BX-2 stereo cassette deck with power cord and original owner's manual. Will be shipped in original packaging. SOLD AS IS: Deck turns on but tape does not move after pressing any key. I have no idea what is wrong (i.e. drive belt, logic board, etc.). Case and front are clean. There are no dents or scratches. All segments of digital counter light. Except for the drive fault, this may be a good source of repair parts. * So, I opened the back up (and the bottom) and found the Nylon worm gear was jammed (and maybe worn, not sure). Moved the worm gear with my finger plugged the unit back in and the deck functions started working again. Still had a bit of an issue with transport. I read that these decks suffer from idler tire wear and replacement is pretty easy (can even be tested by flipping the idler tire over which I did and now the transport works fine) and I ordered new idler tire. Deck plays now but I noticed a bit of static when playing tapes, thought I might play around with adjusting the Azimuth alignment screw (left side of the play/record head). I of course do not have any test tapes so just adjusted by ear using mono play and HF output. I have cleaned the heads several times but the static doesn't seem to go away. I have also noticed the bulk (if not all) of the static during playback seems to come from only one channel. Can these symptoms (static during play) be caused tape head demagnetization or is this the end of my project (some electrical issue)? BTW the same tapes I'm using to test play fine on my LX-5. Remember paid very little for this unit so don't really want to send it to the shop. Too many good decks on Audiogon or ebay that don't need repair for not much money. Thanks, Mark From mballard73 at verizon.net Wed Nov 22 21:02:23 2006 From: mballard73 at verizon.net (Mark Ballard) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:02:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New Maxell XLIIS-90's Message-ID: <4564ACCF.1020009@verizon.net> Just thought I would report that I purchased and received 50 New Maxell XLIIS-90's from BFM Wholesale (1.10 each plus shipping, they also seem to have 100's). Placed an order on 11/7/06 and received today. Just in case anyone has been looking, ebay is outrageously priced if you can even find them there. Cheers, Mark From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 22 21:51:33 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:51:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New Maxell XLIIS-90's In-Reply-To: <4564ACCF.1020009@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20061122205133.19035.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark, I tried to type in "bfmwholesale" but nothing found. Do you have a URL for them? Thanks, Bob Mark Ballard wrote: Just thought I would report that I purchased and received 50 New Maxell XLIIS-90's from BFM Wholesale (1.10 each plus shipping, they also seem to have 100's). Placed an order on 11/7/06 and received today. Just in case anyone has been looking, ebay is outrageously priced if you can even find them there. Cheers, Mark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 22:04:19 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:04:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New Maxell XLIIS-90's In-Reply-To: <20061122205133.19035.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4564ACCF.1020009@verizon.net> <20061122205133.19035.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10611221304u7d808174y89188b045ddc72b5@mail.gmail.com> Try this: http://www.bfmbatterysales.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=409 but the price seems to be different.... George On 11/22/06, Bob Naylor wrote: > Mark, > I tried to type in "bfmwholesale" but nothing found. Do you have a URL for > them? > Thanks, Bob > > Mark Ballard wrote: > Just thought I would report that I purchased and received 50 New Maxell > XLIIS-90's from BFM Wholesale (1.10 each plus shipping, they also seem > to have 100's). Placed an order on 11/7/06 and received today. Just in > case anyone has been looking, ebay is outrageously priced if you can > even find them there. > > Cheers, > Mark > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 22 22:13:11 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:13:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New Maxell XLIIS-90's In-Reply-To: <518b7b10611221304u7d808174y89188b045ddc72b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061122211311.4268.qmail@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Got it, thank you. I ordered 10! Bob george valkov wrote: Try this: http://www.bfmbatterysales.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=409 but the price seems to be different.... George On 11/22/06, Bob Naylor wrote: > Mark, > I tried to type in "bfmwholesale" but nothing found. Do you have a URL for > them? > Thanks, Bob > > Mark Ballard wrote: > Just thought I would report that I purchased and received 50 New Maxell > XLIIS-90's from BFM Wholesale (1.10 each plus shipping, they also seem > to have 100's). Placed an order on 11/7/06 and received today. Just in > case anyone has been looking, ebay is outrageously priced if you can > even find them there. > > Cheers, > Mark > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I got the tapes I'm Happy. Mark From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 23 05:01:31 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:01:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 issues (new member, easy on me please) In-Reply-To: <456499BA.3030302@verizon.net> References: <456499BA.3030302@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45651D1B.2090300@rcn.com> The 'static' may be caused by a bad cap, resistor, transistor, IC or PCB track. A dirty head or azimuth misalignment are very unlikely causes. It is NOT a good idea to adjust the azimuth by ear. You really need alignment tapes and proper instrumentation to this right. If you have already moved the adjustment, I hope you at least marked the original position accurately, so you can return to it exactly. Good luck, -- Ron Mark Ballard wrote: > I bought a BX-2 on ebay a while back just as a project to learn and > maybe fix the unit. It was a little less than $30.00 and that included > the shipping so I knew I would get hurt much either way this turned out. > This little guy is near prefect cosmetically. > ebay listing (compacted) below: > > *Nakamichi BX-2 stereo cassette deck with power cord and original > owner's manual. Will be shipped in original packaging. > SOLD AS IS: Deck turns on but tape does not move after pressing any key. > I have no idea what is wrong (i.e. drive belt, logic board, etc.). > Case and front are clean. There are no dents or scratches. All segments > of digital counter light. Except for the drive fault, this may be a good > source of repair parts. * > > So, I opened the back up (and the bottom) and found the Nylon worm gear > was jammed (and maybe worn, not sure). Moved the worm gear with my > finger plugged the unit back in and the deck functions started working > again. Still had a bit of an issue with transport. I read that these > decks suffer from idler tire wear and replacement is pretty easy (can > even be tested by flipping the idler tire over which I did and now the > transport works fine) and I ordered new idler tire. > Deck plays now but I noticed a bit of static when playing tapes, thought > I might play around with adjusting the Azimuth alignment screw (left > side of the play/record head). I of course do not have any test tapes so > just adjusted by ear using mono play and HF output. I have cleaned the > heads several times but the static doesn't seem to go away. I have also > noticed the bulk (if not all) of the static during playback seems to > come from only one channel. Can these symptoms (static during play) be > caused tape head demagnetization or is this the end of my project (some > electrical issue)? BTW the same tapes I'm using to test play fine on my > LX-5. > > Remember paid very little for this unit so don't really want to send it > to the shop. Too many good decks on Audiogon or ebay that don't need > repair for not much money. > > Thanks, > Mark > From soumitra at soumitrab.com Thu Nov 23 08:47:39 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:17:39 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Belt compatibility References: <200611220831.kAM8Ul4Y032231@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <006e01c70ed3$a7f666a0$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hello Are CR3 and DR2 capstan belts compatible ?? I believe both are 3 head dual capstan transports ? Best Regards soumi From rich_121 at msn.com Thu Nov 23 19:04:48 2006 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:04:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone using Quantegy cassettes? Message-ID: Hello, I'm sending my Dragon to get work done on it, and calibration. I haven't used Quantegy tape before, but, since it is still being manufactured, I thought it would be smart to used it as my main tape if it is good. My Dragon won't play/record now, so I can't try it before I have it serviced. What are your thoughts about this tape and shell combination? Thanks, Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Thu Nov 23 20:55:42 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:55:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone using Quantegy cassettes? References: Message-ID: <002e01c70f39$5ba2d8e0$c9b7b351@homeduron1300> I find the worst thing is the card insert. It soon falls apart as the folds are perforated and soon break. Very frustrating as you soon have to stick them together with sellotape or put in a piece of paper, which looks poor. It would be much better if the card was just folded, without being perforated. The cassettes sound great, although the little window, through which the spooled tape is viewed, is too small and it can be difficult to see the different spool sizes unless it is in a bright room. Just some practical stuff, but at least it's good quality tape, sounds great and is still being made. David (UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: RICHARD FIne To: naktalk Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Anyone using Quantegy cassettes? Hello, I'm sending my Dragon to get work done on it, and calibration. I haven't used Quantegy tape before, but, since it is still being manufactured, I thought it would be smart to used it as my main tape if it is good. My Dragon won't play/record now, so I can't try it before I have it serviced. What are your thoughts about this tape and shell combination? Thanks, Rick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Nov 23 21:53:58 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:53:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone using Quantegy cassettes? Message-ID: <11C5C7F3-AA6A-4F7A-9707-C474C3B27E9C@alumni.caltech.edu> I have a bias (no pun intended) against them because I didn't like Ampex consumer tape in the 70s, and they are basically Ampex. I probably wouldn't go for their cassettes at this point as I still prefer the Maxell and TDK tapes and they do still make at least the basic ones--I don't think Quantegy makes anything really exotic for cassettes. I think they may be the only manufacturer left of open reel tape, or at least "consumer" open reel tape,though, which I'm really bummed about.-kby From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Nov 24 04:55:24 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:55:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone using Quantegy cassettes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:04:48 -0800, "RICHARD FIne" wrote: >Hello, >I'm sending my Dragon to get work done on it, and calibration. I haven't used Quantegy tape before, but, since it is still being manufactured, I thought it would be smart to used it as my main tape if it is good. My Dragon won't play/record now, so I can't try it before I have it serviced. >What are your thoughts about this tape and shell combination? If I was in your shoes I'd really think about what I am doing. Asj yourself these questions before you determine what you should do. - Are unhappy with the tapes you currently use? - Are happy with the tapes you currently use but will have to use second hand tapes in good condition to get hold of them? - would you consider the NORMAL/FERRO setting calibrated for the type of tapes you mostly use while they are available and have the HIGH/CHROME setting calibrated for a new tape that you will continue to use? You can add the HIGH/METAL setting to the list of tapes you are currently using if you have more than one major type in use. - Will you be recording over some or any of the tapes you currently have? Would perhaps be good to set up the deck to use the Quantegy tape on the settings least used for now, if you must. Or determine when you get the deck back wether it is something to have done. Maybe while you are condsidering other brands like Maxell TDK and any of the other major manufacturer, you will get to be more interested in another type than the Quantegy. I have never used Quantegy myself. It is not wideliy available over here as a consumer format. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Nov 24 05:22:26 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 05:22:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: References: <4560D4CC.7000705@rcn.com> <418532.12659.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <=HFmRZTpGofxoBtCDoC8YIibQ4qN@4ax.com> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:17:38 +0100, Mikkel Breiler wrote: >- JVC (I have a DD-5 cassette) 8-pin DIN. > >- Studer/ReVox uses a 6-pin DIN and also a RS-232 interface on the Studer A721. > >- Teac (uses 3 types that I know) Long square, Large round, and 4pin mini DIN. > >- Technics (uses 2 types that I know), 11-pin large round, and 8-pin DIN. > >- Akai (uses 2 types that I know) 11-pin large round, and 8-pin DIN. > >- Tascam, long square. - Sony (Uses only one type that I am aware of) 11-pin large round (type same as Akai). Teac and Tascam long square connector is the same type. My Sony ElCaset deck has a RM-30 remote where the connector is the same size and type as the Akai large round connector. Connecting my Sony RM-30 remote to my Akai GX-635D makes me able to do fast forward using the Stop button, no other buttons work. Not very useful for me as I need a female and male connector set to make up an signal converter. I really wish there had been IEC and DIN standards on the remote connectors, it would make so much sense today :) The Technics Large round connector has a smaller guide pin in the middle but the edge is larger diameter than the Akai/Sony connectors. I cannot tell currently wether the Teacs large round connectors is the same as the Akai/Sony or the Technics or wether it actualyl is a third size. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Nov 24 05:23:01 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 05:23:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Remote control project In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061120201610.04757a30@yahoo.com> References: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> <559795.43263.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061120201610.04757a30@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:18:55 -0500, Victor Trifu wrote: >Scott, > >Congratulations, you seem to be quite far along with the Nak remote. >There is little sense in duplicating your efforts, so I may >reconsider starting another Nak Remote project... Competition is good for innovation :) -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Nov 24 07:18:31 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 07:18:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone using Quantegy cassettes? In-Reply-To: <11C5C7F3-AA6A-4F7A-9707-C474C3B27E9C@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <11C5C7F3-AA6A-4F7A-9707-C474C3B27E9C@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:53:58 -0800, "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: >I have a bias (no pun intended) against them because I didn't like >Ampex consumer tape in the 70s, and they >are basically Ampex. I probably wouldn't go for their cassettes at >this point as I still prefer the Maxell and TDK tapes >and they do still make at least the basic ones--I don't think >Quantegy makes anything really exotic for cassettes. > >I think they may be the only manufacturer left of open reel tape, or >at least "consumer" open reel tape,though, >which I'm really bummed about.-kby RMGI in Holland holds the AGFA/BASF patents, they are making tape. They make at least these types at present: Studio Master 900 (old BASF SM900) Studio Master 911 (old BASF SM911) Studio Master 468 (old AGFA PE468) In 1/4'', 1/2'' and 2''. Available many places such as US Recording Media (http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/opreelrectap.html scroll down) And Encore Data Products (http://www.encoredataproducts.com/RMGI-Studio-Master-468-p-1-c-316.html). ATR Magnetics in Pennsylvania, US. http://www.nothingsoundsliketape.com/ That page is rather useless, but you may have luck sending an email to them asking for where to buy. Zonal Media Ltd in Surrey, England. I have no other info on them. According to Kurt Fisher of US Recording media this company has the tape manufactured in Australia. Zonal Media Ltd 5 Hutchins Way Horley Surrey RH6 8JN Telephone 01293-824245 Only place online I can see this for sale is in Belgium: http://users.telenet.be/audiomedia/Zonal.htm -Mikkel From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Nov 24 08:29:15 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:29:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone using Quantegy cassettes? Message-ID: <0CAE3B27-B57A-4D55-8370-ADB8680F5C24@alumni.caltech.edu> Thanks; I'll look into these. One of the things that I haven't found for consumer decks, is EE (high bias) open reel tape. As far as I know only Maxell and TDK did this and only Akai and Teac made decks. Given that I've moved around enough times to lose what clientele I formerly had, the fact that I don't have time to invest in rebuilding a clientele base, especially since most of them get what at least they think they want nowdays with digital setups, I've got enough stash of EE tape for a while, perhaps even for all I'll ever care about.-kby > RMGI in Holland holds the AGFA/BASF patents, they are making tape. > They make at least these types at present: > Studio Master 900 (old BASF SM900) > Studio Master 911 (old BASF SM911) > Studio Master 468 (old AGFA PE468) > In 1/4'', 1/2'' and 2''. > Available many places such as US Recording Media > (http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/opreelrectap.html scroll down) > And Encore Data Products > (http://www.encoredataproducts.com/RMGI-Studio-Master-468-p-1- > c-316.html). > > ATR Magnetics in Pennsylvania, US. > http://www.nothingsoundsliketape.com/ > That page is rather useless, but you may have luck sending an email > to them asking > for where to buy. > > Zonal Media Ltd in Surrey, England. I have no other info on them. > According to Kurt > Fisher of US Recording media this company has the tape manufactured > in Australia. > Zonal Media Ltd > 5 Hutchins Way > Horley > Surrey > RH6 8JN > Telephone 01293-824245 > Only place online I can see this for sale is in Belgium: > http://users.telenet.be/audiomedia/Zonal.htm > > -Mikkel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Nov 24 14:31:43 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:31:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone using Quantegy cassettes? In-Reply-To: <0CAE3B27-B57A-4D55-8370-ADB8680F5C24@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <0CAE3B27-B57A-4D55-8370-ADB8680F5C24@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:29:15 -0800, "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: >Thanks; I'll look into these. One of the things that I haven't found >for consumer decks, is EE (high bias) >open reel tape. It did not catch on, for obvious reasons. >As far as I know only Maxell and TDK did this and >only Akai and Teac made >decks. Given that I've moved around enough times to lose what >clientele I formerly had, the fact that I don't have >time to invest in rebuilding a clientele base, especially since most >of them get what at least they think they >want nowdays with digital setups, I've got enough stash of EE tape >for a while, perhaps even for all I'll >ever care about.-kby I have a few 7'' Maxell EE tapes and also 2 TDK SA tapes from "wolfbob" in california, he was on the reeltoreel list but quit reels as he had to rethink his hobbies due to a bypass op. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Nov 24 15:21:46 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 15:21:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remote In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061120005824.03729158@yahoo.com> References: <4560BE12.6090702@xs4all.nl> <7.0.1.0.2.20061120005824.03729158@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:06:59 -0500, Victor Trifu wrote: >For the past 20 years I have been involved in electronic design - >hardware/firmware/software. >The Nak Remote would be a 'simple' project for me. >Having been recently been made 'redundant' from my job as VP of >Engineering, I also have some time available (5 months severance - nice). I hope they let you go on a good note and not because of bad management. >The idea to have kits and do-it-yourself instruction for non-remote >equipped Naks is a good one and relatively easy to do. >I would personally make the remote able to control multiple Nak decks >simultaneously - I have 24 of them in my collection and I could use a >multi-remote :) I have one, but I have lots of decks capable of operation by cable remote on the back and precious few remotes to do that with. >If you promise to help promote this Nak Remote, I will get it done. >I figure a couple of months should be enough. I am in favor of a kit and also if the kit proves to be adaptable then I can have my Sony Elcaset, JVC casette, Akai cassette and reel, Teac reel, Tascam reel, Otari reel, and Technics cassette and reel decks working. All it would take is a receiver part that is adapted to the deck at hand and a remote which remains the same all the time. Whenever a deck is not equipped with a remote connector on the back if it is logic controlled then remote capability can be added with some thought. -Mikkel From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 24 15:44:37 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:44:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone using Quantegy cassettes? Message-ID: <20061124144437.60837.qmail@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, EE is really a bad idea. I've heard it and don't quite like the sound. It is really a metal formulated reel tape. I was just so glad when I heard about RMGI, because I really loved the old EMTEC 900 tapes. I've seen people's jaw drop when they heard the 900s run on my Revox PR99. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 3:29:15 PM Subject: [naktalk] Anyone using Quantegy cassettes? Thanks; I'll look into these. One of the things that I haven't found for consumer decks, is EE (high bias) open reel tape. As far as I know only Maxell and TDK did this and only Akai and Teac made decks. Given that I've moved around enough times to lose what clientele I formerly had, the fact that I don't have time to invest in rebuilding a clientele base, especially since most of them get what at least they think they want nowdays with digital setups, I've got enough stash of EE tape for a while, perhaps even for all I'll ever care about.-kby RMGI in Holland holds the AGFA/BASF patents, they are making tape. They make at least these types at present: Studio Master 900 (old BASF SM900) Studio Master 911 (old BASF SM911) Studio Master 468 (old AGFA PE468) In 1/4'', 1/2'' and 2''. Available many places such as US Recording Media (http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/opreelrectap.html scroll down) And Encore Data Products (http://www.encoredataproducts.com/RMGI-Studio-Master-468-p-1-c-316.html). ATR Magnetics in Pennsylvania, US. http://www.nothingsoundsliketape.com/ That page is rather useless, but you may have luck sending an email to them asking for where to buy. Zonal Media Ltd in Surrey, England. I have no other info on them. According to Kurt Fisher of US Recording media this company has the tape manufactured in Australia. Zonal Media Ltd 5 Hutchins Way Horley Surrey RH6 8JN Telephone 01293-824245 Only place online I can see this for sale is in Belgium: http://users.telenet.be/audiomedia/Zonal.htm -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 16:04:37 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 07:04:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone using Quantegy cassettes? In-Reply-To: <0CAE3B27-B57A-4D55-8370-ADB8680F5C24@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20061124150437.42047.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kimo, I remember sales brouchers in the early 80's for BASF EE 7 inch reel to reel tape. Bob "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Thanks; I'll look into these. One of the things that I haven't found for consumer decks, is EE (high bias) open reel tape. As far as I know only Maxell and TDK did this and only Akai and Teac made decks. Given that I've moved around enough times to lose what clientele I formerly had, the fact that I don't have time to invest in rebuilding a clientele base, especially since most of them get what at least they think they want nowdays with digital setups, I've got enough stash of EE tape for a while, perhaps even for all I'll ever care about.-kby RMGI in Holland holds the AGFA/BASF patents, they are making tape. They make at least these types at present: Studio Master 900 (old BASF SM900) Studio Master 911 (old BASF SM911) Studio Master 468 (old AGFA PE468) In 1/4'', 1/2'' and 2''. Available many places such as US Recording Media (http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/opreelrectap.html scroll down) And Encore Data Products (http://www.encoredataproducts.com/RMGI-Studio-Master-468-p-1-c-316.html). ATR Magnetics in Pennsylvania, US. http://www.nothingsoundsliketape.com/ That page is rather useless, but you may have luck sending an email to them asking for where to buy. Zonal Media Ltd in Surrey, England. I have no other info on them. According to Kurt Fisher of US Recording media this company has the tape manufactured in Australia. Zonal Media Ltd 5 Hutchins Way Horley Surrey RH6 8JN Telephone 01293-824245 Only place online I can see this for sale is in Belgium: http://users.telenet.be/audiomedia/Zonal.htm -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Fri Nov 24 16:53:14 2006 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 07:53:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re: Quantegy tapes Message-ID: Something Michael wrote piqued my curiosity: - would you consider the NORMAL/FERRO setting calibrated for the type of tapes you mostly use while they are available and have the HIGH/CHROME setting calibrated for a new tape that you will continue to use? You can add the HIGH/METAL setting to the list of tapes you are currently using if you have more than one major type in use. Is it feasable with a deck such as the 480 or BX series to tune the bias and record levels for the EX (Type 1) switch to match an SX (Type II) series tape, or is there more involved than just these two settings (I'm eliminating the question of equalization, since this can be switched separately). If so, you could use one position for TDX SA, and the other for XL-IIS, without climbing inside. Just a thought. John From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 24 17:48:14 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:48:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re: Quantegy tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061124164814.88879.qmail@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I guess the question would be, for example, will the type 1 setting be able to adjust enough bias for a type 2, or would the type 2 setting be able to adjust down to a type 1 bias, or would you have to mod the circuit? Bob John Berger wrote: Something Michael wrote piqued my curiosity: - would you consider the NORMAL/FERRO setting calibrated for the type of tapes you mostly use while they are available and have the HIGH/CHROME setting calibrated for a new tape that you will continue to use? You can add the HIGH/METAL setting to the list of tapes you are currently using if you have more than one major type in use. Is it feasable with a deck such as the 480 or BX series to tune the bias and record levels for the EX (Type 1) switch to match an SX (Type II) series tape, or is there more involved than just these two settings (I'm eliminating the question of equalization, since this can be switched separately). If so, you could use one position for TDX SA, and the other for XL-IIS, without climbing inside. Just a thought. John ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Nov 24 17:47:24 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:47:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone using Quantegy cassettes? Message-ID: > EE is really a bad idea. I've heard it and don't quite like the > sound. It is really a metal formulated reel tape. I was just so > glad when I heard about RMGI, because I really loved the old EMTEC > 900 tapes. I've seen people's jaw drop when they heard the 900s run > on my Revox PR99. Do you think it's a bad idea in theory or just in practice? It didn't really have a whole lot of time to develop so even if I thought it wasn't quite up to snuff, I would still give the theory some credence. I actually thought it was closer to chrome than metal in construction/intent. It was quite useful for live stuff as it was harder to overload. I actually did most of my later live tapes using it. Didn't use it for much else at the time. Could it be that the decks you've heard it on were earlier generation ones? > I remember sales brouchers in the early 80's for BASF EE 7 inch > reel to reel tape. > Thanks; I hadn't known that.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 01:24:33 2006 From: ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com (Ricardo Cruz) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:24:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Message-ID: <000501c71028$15a9bc10$0202a8c0@ric> Hi, I was hoping I could get some help on this: After swapping a Dragon's idler tire I still have a weird transport problem: After the transport's been working for say, 3 hours (playing, autoreversing, play loop), the deck won't ff/rev. It seems to slip and stop. This only happens when hot and NEVER in cue mode (After cue ff/rev work but with slippage making it slower than cue). Do you think the cam motor is responsible for this? I could open and clean it inside. Since it's 15 years old as the deck gets warm it has less torque? Or is it a transmission problem in the chain? Even after the idler swap? I have the service manual but some pointers would be great. I've been to Naks but there's no search engine. The stoppage/motion leds are both fine. Thanks, RC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Nov 25 05:01:46 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 04:01:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Message-ID: Hi Ricardo, Seems the your cam, belt when the unit get hot stretch himself , as to me happens today the same...now that winter enter to our area, I can play or record ONE side of the cassette with NO problem, after so the unit gets more warm the belt slip. Check your cam belt..., lubricate the cam with ONE drop of watch oil (NO needed to be dismantled). Scott, on his webs had exactly instructions how to do it right. Suerte! ALEX! From: ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:24:33 +0000Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Hi, I was hoping I could get some help on this: After swapping a Dragon’s idler tire I still have a weird transport problem: After the transport’s been working for say, 3 hours (playing, autoreversing, play loop), the deck won’t ff/rev. It seems to slip and stop. This only happens when hot and NEVER in cue mode (After cue ff/rev work but with slippage making it slower than cue). Do you think the cam motor is responsible for this? I could open and clean it inside. Since it’s 15 years old as the deck gets warm it has less torque? Or is it a transmission problem in the chain? Even after the idler swap? I have the service manual but some pointers would be great. I’ve been to Naks but there’s no search engine. The stoppage/motion leds are both fine. Thanks, RC _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 19:12:59 2006 From: ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com (Ricardo Cruz) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:12:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c710bd$58337860$0202a8c0@ric> Hey Alex, Thanks. But as I said I did replace the idler tire. I assume this is the same as the cam motor belt (OC08099B)?!?!? My counter belt B seems worn too but I think that’s not the issue here? Any help appreciated Thanks, RC -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: sábado, 25 de Novembro de 2006 4:02 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Hi Ricardo, Seems the your cam, belt when the unit get hot stretch himself , as to me happens today the same...now that winter enter to our area, I can play or record ONE side of the cassette with NO problem, after so the unit gets more warm the belt slip. Check your cam belt..., lubricate the cam with ONE drop of watch oil (NO needed to be dismantled). Scott, on his webs had exactly instructions how to do it right. Suerte! ALEX! _____ From: ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:24:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Hi, I was hoping I could get some help on this: After swapping a Dragon’s idler tire I still have a weird transport problem: After the transport’s been working for say, 3 hours (playing, autoreversing, play loop), the deck won’t ff/rev. It seems to slip and stop. This only happens when hot and NEVER in cue mode (After cue ff/rev work but with slippage making it slower than cue). Do you think the cam motor is responsible for this? I could open and clean it inside. Since it’s 15 years old as the deck gets warm it has less torque? Or is it a transmission problem in the chain? Even after the idler swap? I have the service manual but some pointers would be great. I’ve been to Naks but there’s no search engine. The stoppage/motion leds are both fine. Thanks, RC _____ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. 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But to my knowledge...the "Idler Tire"...on Classic Nak mechanisms...fails after a long term of years or extensively use...after 15 years if YOU are the original owner...can't in a "NORMALLY" use go wrong...but thinks happens...of course! Buena Suerte,ALEX! From: ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ffDate: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:12:59 +0000 Hey Alex, Thanks. But as I said I did replace the idler tire. I assume this is the same as the cam motor belt (OC08099B)?!?!? My counter belt B seems worn too but I think that’s not the issue here? Any help appreciated… Thanks, RC -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex CozacSent: sábado, 25 de Novembro de 2006 4:02To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Hi Ricardo, Seems the your cam, belt when the unit get hot stretch himself , as to me happens today the same...now that winter enter to our area, I can play or record ONE side of the cassette with NO problem, after so the unit gets more warm the belt slip. Check your cam belt..., lubricate the cam with ONE drop of watch oil (NO needed to be dismantled). Scott, on his webs had exactly instructions how to do it right. Suerte!ALEX! From: ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:24:33 +0000Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Hi, I was hoping I could get some help on this: After swapping a Dragon’s idler tire I still have a weird transport problem: After the transport’s been working for say, 3 hours (playing, autoreversing, play loop), the deck won’t ff/rev. It seems to slip and stop. This only happens when hot and NEVER in cue mode (After cue ff/rev work but with slippage making it slower than cue). Do you think the cam motor is responsible for this? I could open and clean it inside. Since it’s 15 years old as the deck gets warm it has less torque? Or is it a transmission problem in the chain? Even after the idler swap? I have the service manual but some pointers would be great. I’ve been to Naks but there’s no search engine. The stoppage/motion leds are both fine. Thanks, RC Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! Try it now! _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/trial.aspx?sc_cid=wl_wlmail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r.liebrechts at wanadoo.nl Sun Nov 26 10:40:20 2006 From: r.liebrechts at wanadoo.nl (robin) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 10:40:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] review NAK DR-2 deck Message-ID: <000801c7113e$e84aa8c0$19299355@wanadoo.nl> Goodmorning everyone, Does anyone got a review of the NAk DR-2 deck? I could not find any on the internet. I know that "WHAT HIFI" did a test in may 1993!!! Greetings, Robin Netherlands -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Nov 26 10:50:46 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 01:50:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Message-ID: <820C40A6-200A-45C0-B931-E54330C3CF36@alumni.caltech.edu> The cam belt and the idler tire are different parts.-kby From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sun Nov 26 11:27:18 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:57:18 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] review NAK DR-2 deck Message-ID: <000701c71145$74e85fb0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hey Robin Its a great deck .. i have a DR2 and other than the manual azimuth adjust and level controls of the DR1, its got everything you would want ... plus great specs All i want to know is whether the DR2 capstan belt is the same as the CR3/CR4 capstan belt Best Soumi From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Nov 26 12:44:40 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:44:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] re: Quantegy tapes In-Reply-To: <20061124164814.88879.qmail@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061124164814.88879.qmail@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:48:14 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >I guess the question would be, for example, will the type 1 setting be able to adjust enough bias for a type 2, or would the type 2 setting be able to adjust down to a type 1 bias, or would you have to mod the circuit? The Chrome and Metal selectors ought to be usable both for chrome, with the option of using a ferric tape on the Normal/Ferro setting. The service manual will probably not tell this but the tech working on the deck will see if the deck can be made to support it. Perhaps the components for the Ferric setting can be changed into the ones used for the other. I tink th emost important thing to kee in mind is that the owner may have old tapes that might not be usable with a setting for a new tape. Or at least not with great success. It thenbecomes a point of losing compatiblity with the old tapes and just use them for playback or selecting only one tape type setting that is used the least to keep this problem at a minimum. The actual amount of tapes to record onto of each types and the owners preference will determine to do this now or when the current tape supply is depleted and older tapes will no longer be reused. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Nov 26 13:08:29 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:08:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff In-Reply-To: <000501c71028$15a9bc10$0202a8c0@ric> References: <000501c71028$15a9bc10$0202a8c0@ric> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:24:33 -0000, "Ricardo Cruz" wrote: .. >Do you think the cam motor is responsible for this? I could open and clean >it inside. Since it's 15 years old as the deck gets warm it has less torque? I would supsect a rubber component of reacting to the heat rather than a motor. Try remove the cover and using a hair dryer set to cold on the deck then try again and see if it slips. Also simply having the cover off might give sufficient ventilation to kep the components at a good working temperature. At any rate you are lookign at a failing component and unless you have something important to tape I'd suggest replacing / fixing the faulty component rather than running it with hood off and poiinting a hair dryer at it all night. >Or is it a transmission problem in the chain? Even after the idler swap? The idler may not grip perfectly. Or it was not the cause of the problem in the first place. But do remember that if you haven't changed many parts most of the parts may be failing or contribute to the poor performance. -Mikkel From tomas at tlec.se Sun Nov 26 15:29:39 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:29:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Message-ID: Hi group. It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now selling them on a cd. Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > From ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com Sun Nov 26 17:55:00 2006 From: ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com (Ricardo Cruz) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:55:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c7117b$9dcac630$0202a8c0@ric> >The cam belt and the idler tire are different parts.-kby ========- ??? I'm stumped here. It may be a problem with my English then. Fig 5.5 in the Service manual, part #14. This is the cam belt which seems to me to be the idler???? It must be my mistake but I can't seem to figure this one. > I would supsect a rubber component of reacting to the heat rather than a >motor. Try remove the cover and using a hair dryer set to cold on the deck >then try again and see if it slips. Also simply having the cover off might >give sufficient ventilation to kep the components at a good working >temperature. At any rate you are lookign at a failing component and unless >you have something important to tape I'd suggest replacing / fixing the >faulty component rather than running it with hood off and poiinting a hair >dryer at it all night. This is a good call and yes it seems to be heat related. Problem occurs within 30 mins of continous play if on top of an amp, within 2-3 hours when satnding alone, never (as far as I can tell) with the cover off. I don't want to blow cool air into it ;) and it's probably not a good idea since a lot of dust could infiltrate the transport i'm definitely missing something with the idler/cam belt thing! Thanks for all your help guys. rc -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mikkel Breiler Sent: domingo, 26 de Novembro de 2006 12:08 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:24:33 -0000, "Ricardo Cruz" wrote: .. >Do you think the cam motor is responsible for this? I could open and clean >it inside. Since it's 15 years old as the deck gets warm it has less torque? I would supsect a rubber component of reacting to the heat rather than a motor. Try remove the cover and using a hair dryer set to cold on the deck then try again and see if it slips. Also simply having the cover off might give sufficient ventilation to kep the components at a good working temperature. At any rate you are lookign at a failing component and unless you have something important to tape I'd suggest replacing / fixing the faulty component rather than running it with hood off and poiinting a hair dryer at it all night. >Or is it a transmission problem in the chain? Even after the idler swap? The idler may not grip perfectly. Or it was not the cause of the problem in the first place. But do remember that if you haven't changed many parts most of the parts may be failing or contribute to the poor performance. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From thepieboy at comcast.net Sun Nov 26 18:00:21 2006 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:00:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Message-ID: <112620061700.19468.4569C82500067CBC00004C0C220642441397010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Hi Tomas, Thank you for making this material available to Nak fans! Do you happen to have a manual for a TA-2A Nakamichi receiver? Best regards, John Derven -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tomas Larsson" > Hi group. > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > selling them on a cd. > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sun Nov 26 19:34:24 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:04:24 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Spark Suppression: 110V or 220V ? References: <200611261101.kAQB0VSs023687@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003201c71189$80b81d50$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi all Im adding a voltage convertor transformer (formerly used outside) inside my Naks so that the power sockets are less cluttered with extra transformers etc and that i dont inadvertently plug it directly into the 220V mains (socket accepts 110V plugs) The power switch has a spark suppression device ...does this work with 220V ? Does the switch work with 220V too ? Best From luis at peromarta.org Sun Nov 26 19:41:58 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:41:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Spark Suppression: 110V or 220V ? In-Reply-To: <003201c71189$80b81d50$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200611261101.kAQB0VSs023687@zxe.naks.com> <003201c71189$80b81d50$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <4569DFF6.7070200@peromarta.org> Usually mains filters and switches for 110V are good for 220V, but don't take my word for it. If your house goes on fire don't blame me. ;) rgds, LP. soumitra at soumitrab.com escribió: > Hi all > Im adding a voltage convertor transformer (formerly used outside) inside my > Naks so that the power sockets are less cluttered with extra transformers > etc and that i dont inadvertently plug it directly into the 220V mains > (socket accepts 110V plugs) > > The power switch has a spark suppression device ...does this work with 220V > ? Does the switch work with 220V too ? > > Best > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sun Nov 26 19:47:16 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:47:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Mains voltage issues - and stabilizers Message-ID: <4569E134.5060302@peromarta.org> Dear all, I am working on a project to produce voltage stabilizers. Not the typical paranoia, but a true 1% accurate, filtered, clean, harmonic free mains voltage source. Won't appeal to many - I know and don't want to start a huge thread here, but those of you living in areas with poor line regulation, may be in need of something like this. Any one out there with severe mains problems? rgds, LP. From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sun Nov 26 19:53:10 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:23:10 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Spark Suppression: 110V or 220V ? Message-ID: <003a01c7118c$2014dbc0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hey Luis ok... i dont blame you :) Just the thing that the service manuals show the device to be a resistor and a capacitor in series ... wonder what the values and voltage capacities are ? Best S From luis at peromarta.org Sun Nov 26 21:02:21 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:02:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Spark Suppression: 110V or 220V ? In-Reply-To: <003a01c7118c$2014dbc0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <003a01c7118c$2014dbc0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <4569F2CD.30204@peromarta.org> I don't know of filters with series resistors. I guess It probably will an EMI filter, a C in paralell , then a L in series, then another C. No R. Schurter make EMI filters. This is one of the popular ones: http://www.schurterinc.com/pdf/english/typ_FMLB-41.pdf in page 2 you can see the circuit as described before. rgds, LP. soumitra at soumitrab.com escribió: > Hey Luis > ok... i dont blame you :) > Just the thing that the service manuals show the device to be a resistor > and a capacitor in series ... wonder what the values and voltage capacities > are ? > > Best > S > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sun Nov 26 21:50:58 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4569FE32.1020304@caribsurf.com> I hope it is not one of the Naks members! PaulC Tomas Larsson wrote: > Hi group. > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > selling them on a cd. > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From tomas at tlec.se Sun Nov 26 21:58:25 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:58:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <4569FE32.1020304@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: Don't think so. I guess it's one of those manual-harvester that has this as a "profession". With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Carrington [mailto:paulcar at caribsurf.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:51 PM > To: tomas at tlec.se; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > PaulC > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Hi group. > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my > homepage and is > > now selling them on a cd. > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec.se > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both > password and username. > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Nov 27 04:38:19 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:38:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Message-ID: Dear Tomas, I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! I'm extremely mad for what I read. Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are doing for us! Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! Peace, ALEX! > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400> From: paulcar at caribsurf.com> To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals> CC: > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members!> PaulC> > Tomas Larsson wrote:> > Hi group.> > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now> > selling them on a cd.> >> > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download.> >> > With best regards> >> > Tomas Larsson> > Sweden> > http://www.tlec.se> > http://www.ktl.mine.nu> > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc.> > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username.> > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service.> > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962> > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Be 100% sure!!! > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > > > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > > To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > CC: > > > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > > PaulC > > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > Hi group. > > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage > and is now > > > selling them on a cd. > > > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > Tomas Larsson > > > Sweden > > > http://www.tlec.se > > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password > and username. > > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Nov 27 05:25:14 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:25:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Message-ID: <8072977.1164601514053.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Does anyone have the eBay userid? True, if enough of us send a complaint to eBay they might pull the ads and/or his account. However, we all know eBay ONLY pulls accounts when someone is selling body parts. But, we can cause grief to the seller. Also, if we flood the seller with inquires and boldface confrontation (which I've done before), he just might stop on his own. ---- Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Alex, > > > On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Dear Tomas, > > > > I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the > > "THANKS"!!! I'm extremely mad for what I read. > > > > Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are > > doing for us! > > Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. > > Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into > a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a > complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas > gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints > aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! > > > > > Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! > > > > Peace, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > > > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > > > To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > CC: > > > > > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > > > PaulC > > > > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > > Hi group. > > > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage > > and is now > > > > selling them on a cd. > > > > > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > > > Tomas Larsson > > > > Sweden > > > > http://www.tlec.se > > > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password > > and username. > > > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Mon Nov 27 05:26:47 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:26:47 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals References: <34FE1A12-C6E3-40AF-B780-00B26041A46C@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <013301c711dc$408d7c40$221798de@tec> Its amazing. I have just discovered a copy of my scan of the 600 service manual which I sent through to Tomas a year or two ago on a website called www.hifiengine.com which is letting people download it for free but only for "non-commercial" use. Does this mean they intend to charge for it for commercial use? They say to contact their webmaster about permission etc, but I could not find a webmaster reference on the site. I noticed that my front page was very carefully cleaned up in photoshop or something, but all of my notes later in the document are stlll there! This is certainly very curious. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Hey Alex, On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Tomas, I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! I'm extremely mad for what I read. Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are doing for us! Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! Peace, ALEX! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > CC: > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > PaulC > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Hi group. > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > > selling them on a cd. > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec.se > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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URL: From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Mon Nov 27 05:38:41 2006 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:38:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <34FE1A12-C6E3-40AF-B780-00B26041A46C@woods-and-waters.com> References: <34FE1A12-C6E3-40AF-B780-00B26041A46C@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061126233059.03651df0@yahoo.com> How about just driving them out of business? Monitor this person's listing, and post next to it a listing with the title 'NAKAMICHI MANUALS - FREE DOWNLOAD' That would be maybe $1.50 for a 7 day listing, $7 per month. Worth the price? Victor >Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into >a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a >complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that >Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough >complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 27 05:52:59 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:52:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <34FE1A12-C6E3-40AF-B780-00B26041A46C@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20061127045259.44879.qmail@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If they show up on e-bay, we'll find him. Also check Craig's list. Bob Kermit Gray wrote: Hey Alex, On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Tomas, I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! I'm extremely mad for what I read. Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are doing for us! Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! Peace, ALEX! --------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > CC: > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > PaulC > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Hi group. > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > > selling them on a cd. > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec.se > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 27 05:59:10 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:59:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <0b9001c711dd$9ac5fe20$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <20061127045910.69361.qmail@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> E-bay can be funny about that. I had some user send me a msg through e-bay and when I tried to answer him, e-bay would not let me saying we, the other user and myself, had not done any transactions. I tried every round about way to get an answer to this guy with no luck. I don't know why e-bay let him send me a msg??? Bob Dennis Orr wrote: Another idea is to contact the bidders and point them to the site where they can download the manuals for free. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Mon Nov 27 06:28:31 2006 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:28:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <013301c711dc$408d7c40$221798de@tec> Message-ID: <002d01c711e4$e0aedb80$5f01a8c0@shuttle> I noticed a copy of the 1000zxl manuals I uploaded to Thomas have appeared on http://www.analogstereo.com/nakamichi_user_manuals.htm. They are free to download as well. I was surprised to see my notes in it, but then they aren't charging for it, so I figure it helps Thomas save bandwidth! Ken _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Donald Sangster Sent: November 26, 2006 8:27 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Its amazing. I have just discovered a copy of my scan of the 600 service manual which I sent through to Tomas a year or two ago on a website called www.hifiengine.com which is letting people download it for free but only for "non-commercial" use. Does this mean they intend to charge for it for commercial use? They say to contact their webmaster about permission etc, but I could not find a webmaster reference on the site. I noticed that my front page was very carefully cleaned up in photoshop or something, but all of my notes later in the document are stlll there! This is certainly very curious. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Hey Alex, On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Tomas, I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! I'm extremely mad for what I read. Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are doing for us! Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! Peace, ALEX! _____ > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > CC: > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > PaulC > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Hi group. > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > > selling them on a cd. > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec.se > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ No virus found in this incoming message. 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Victor >Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into >a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a >complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that >Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough >complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Mon Nov 27 07:17:56 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:47:56 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Spark Suppression: 110V or 220V ? Message-ID: <000301c711eb$c93578e0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi Luis im not talking about filters ... the spark suppression device i am talking about is inside the Nak .. on the PCB of the power switch like this : ~ ----------- | | ---- | |SS| \ ---- | | | ~ ---------- From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 27 09:18:11 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:18:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <200611270459.kAR4xbGN006866@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20061127081811.1643.qmail@web27407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Tomas I'm very sorry to hear about this eBay listing. I paid $14.99 months ago for my BX300/E manual because there was no other place for me to find it then. I was happy to send it to you. It makes me angry to think someone has now abused your/our community spirit. If I can find the original listing, I'll try to make this seller regret what they did. Chris From tomas at tlec.se Mon Nov 27 09:37:04 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:37:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <20061127061128.47926.qmail@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At the moment, I have only seen it on the Swedish site "Tradera", but I'll guess that it wil show up on Ebay pretty soon. The seller is asking for SEK 49:- approx US$4:- , so it isn't much money. I don't mind that others put them on their sites, but I think that we should be credited for it. I wonder if there is any good way to put some ID in the files, that is difficult to remove. Something like " Orginally submitted by the members of NAKTALK, Freely avaible for download from www.naks.mine.nu" Just adding it to the pdf is no good, since its possible to remove it, it has to be embedded somehow within the bitmaps. Re bandwidh, well, now there is no problems at all, I have virtually unlimited bandwidth ( 2100 Gbyte/month) so it should be Ok. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:11 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Thats a solid idea! Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: Victor Trifu To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:38:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals How about just driving them out of business? Monitor this person's listing, and post next to it a listing with the title 'NAKAMICHI MANUALS - FREE DOWNLOAD' That would be maybe $1.50 for a 7 day listing, $7 per month. Worth the price? Victor >Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into >a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a >complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that >Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough >complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Mon Nov 27 09:37:53 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:37:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <20061127081811.1643.qmail@web27407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www.tradera.com/auction/Stereo___HIFI/aid_36030938 With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Chris Mann > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals > > Tomas > > I'm very sorry to hear about this eBay listing. I paid > $14.99 months ago for my BX300/E manual because there was no > other place for me to find it then. I was happy to send it to you. > > It makes me angry to think someone has now abused your/our > community spirit. > > If I can find the original listing, I'll try to make this > seller regret what they did. > > Chris > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From orrin000 at centurytel.net Mon Nov 27 10:28:50 2006 From: orrin000 at centurytel.net (OMI) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:28:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c71206$75c97830$2f01a8c0@uzqu8chfwfb5nt> I think you can imbed a cover sheet and other items in PDF files and then password protect them so they can not be changed. Other folks that are more PDF knowledgeable can comment better, but I do think there are other things you can do with PDF program to mark them permanently such as water marks, etc. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:37 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals At the moment, I have only seen it on the Swedish site "Tradera", but I'll guess that it wil show up on Ebay pretty soon. The seller is asking for SEK 49:- approx US$4:- , so it isn't much money. I don't mind that others put them on their sites, but I think that we should be credited for it. I wonder if there is any good way to put some ID in the files, that is difficult to remove. Something like " Orginally submitted by the members of NAKTALK, Freely avaible for download from www.naks.mine.nu" Just adding it to the pdf is no good, since its possible to remove it, it has to be embedded somehow within the bitmaps. Re bandwidh, well, now there is no problems at all, I have virtually unlimited bandwidth ( 2100 Gbyte/month) so it should be Ok. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:11 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Thats a solid idea! Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: Victor Trifu To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:38:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals How about just driving them out of business? Monitor this person's listing, and post next to it a listing with the title 'NAKAMICHI MANUALS - FREE DOWNLOAD' That would be maybe $1.50 for a 7 day listing, $7 per month. Worth the price? Victor >Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into >a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a >complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that >Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough >complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Nov 27 11:16:25 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:16:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <013301c711dc$408d7c40$221798de@tec> Message-ID: Plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Donald Sangster Sent: 27 November 2006 04:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Its amazing. I have just discovered a copy of my scan of the 600 service manual which I sent through to Tomas a year or two ago on a website called www.hifiengine.com which is letting people download it for free but only for "non-commercial" use. Does this mean they intend to charge for it for commercial use? They say to contact their webmaster about permission etc, but I could not find a webmaster reference on the site. I noticed that my front page was very carefully cleaned up in photoshop or something, but all of my notes later in the document are stlll there! This is certainly very curious. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Hey Alex, On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Tomas, I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! I'm extremely mad for what I read. Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are doing for us! Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! Peace, ALEX! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > CC: > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > PaulC > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Hi group. > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > > selling them on a cd. > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec.se > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Donald Sangster Sent: 27 November 2006 04:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Its amazing. I have just discovered a copy of my scan of the 600 service manual which I sent through to Tomas a year or two ago on a website called www.hifiengine.com which is letting people download it for free but only for "non-commercial" use. Does this mean they intend to charge for it for commercial use? They say to contact their webmaster about permission etc, but I could not find a webmaster reference on the site. I noticed that my front page was very carefully cleaned up in photoshop or something, but all of my notes later in the document are stlll there! This is certainly very curious. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Hey Alex, On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Tomas, I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! I'm extremely mad for what I read. Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are doing for us! Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! Peace, ALEX! _____ > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > CC: > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > PaulC > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Hi group. > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > > selling them on a cd. > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec.se > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/552 - Release Date: 26/11/2006 11:30 a.m. __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Mon Nov 27 11:59:31 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 06:59:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <002d01c711e4$e0aedb80$5f01a8c0@shuttle> References: <002d01c711e4$e0aedb80$5f01a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: <456AC513.6030106@caribsurf.com> Analog Stereo has copies of the BX300 owners manual, brochure and service manual. The service manual is missing the same pages as the one published on the Naks sites Paul C Ken Mashlan wrote: > > I noticed a copy of the 1000zxl manuals I uploaded to Thomas have > appeared on http://www.analogstereo.com/nakamichi_user_manuals.htm. > They are free to download as well. I was surprised to see my notes in > it, but then they aren’t charging for it, so I figure it helps Thomas > save bandwidth! > > Ken > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Donald Sangster > *Sent:* November 26, 2006 8:27 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > Its amazing. I have just discovered a copy of my scan of the 600 > service manual which I sent through to Tomas a year or two ago on a > website called www.hifiengine.com which is > letting people download it for free but only for "non-commercial" use. > Does this mean they intend to charge for it for commercial use? They > say to contact their webmaster about permission etc, but I could not > find a webmaster reference on the site. > > I noticed that my front page was very carefully cleaned up in > photoshop or something, but all of my notes later in the document are > stlll there! > > This is certainly very curious. > > Donald > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Kermit Gray > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2006 4:52 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > Hey Alex, > > On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > Dear Tomas, > > I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the > "THANKS"!!! I'm extremely mad for what I read. > > Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are > doing for us! > > Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. > > Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them > into a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a > complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that > Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough > complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! > > > > > Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > > To: tomas at tlec.se ; naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > CC: > > > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > > PaulC > > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > Hi group. > > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage > and is now > > > selling them on a cd. > > > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > Tomas Larsson > > > Sweden > > > http://www.tlec.se > > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password > and username. > > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com > service. > > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > Kermit Gray > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/552 - Release Date: > 26/11/2006 11:30 a.m. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paulcar at caribsurf.com Mon Nov 27 12:37:12 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:37:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Service Manual Message-ID: <456ACDE8.3070108@caribsurf.com> The Service Manual on the HiFiEngine.com site is the full service manual and the PDF is 34 pages as opposed to 21 pages for the other ones (which are missing pages) Tomas, Scott etc you can update your BX300 service manual by downloading this version Regards Paul From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Nov 27 12:42:22 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:42:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: References: <20061127061128.47926.qmail@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:37:04 +0100, "Tomas Larsson" wrote: >At the moment, I have only seen it on the Swedish site "Tradera", but I'll >guess that it wil show up on Ebay pretty soon. >The seller is asking for SEK 49:- approx US$4:- , so it isn't much money. According to my math and todays curency exchangerates it is 7 USD! >I don't mind that others put them on their sites, but I think that we should >be credited for it. Agree, completely. It should say who provided the scans. Not that anyone but Nakamichi has any rights to them, but to give credit is proper when you're taking something without asking. >I wonder if there is any good way to put some ID in the files, that is >difficult to remove. Can you say "Watermark"? >Something like " Orginally submitted by the members of NAKTALK, Freely >avaible for download from www.naks.mine.nu" >Just adding it to the pdf is no good, since its possible to remove it, it >has to be embedded somehow within the bitmaps. Perhaps writing it in same color as a piece of the background. but I would embedd it into the bitmaps using a watermarking tool. 2 seconds on google and 2 seconds on a file repository and Bob's your uncle: http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Search/newsearch.php3?S_S=Easy+Watermark+Creator&Category=0&Go=+Go%21+ I'd pick both Easy Watermark Creator 1.6 Easy Batch Watermark 2.9 And see if working on the bitmaps in batch would do the trick nice enough. Simply putting a large bitmap URL of the place they are offered from should suffice. Of course this only works for the future. >Re bandwidh, well, now there is no problems at all, I have virtually >unlimited bandwidth ( 2100 Gbyte/month) so it should be Ok. Whoa that is a lot. Such privvys are usually not cheap. What unspeakable deeds have you conscented to perform for that? -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Nov 27 12:51:12 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:51:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <20061127081811.1643.qmail@web27407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <200611270459.kAR4xbGN006866@zxe.naks.com> <20061127081811.1643.qmail@web27407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:18:11 +0000 (GMT), Chris Mann wrote: >If I can find the original listing, I'll try to make >this seller regret what they did. in your email system check your email for the auction number and seller id. Also any wrapping on the copy you were sent if it was a hardcopy. on your ebay profile see the feedback given for items you bouhgt in the same period on onwards. can'be that many if your are just a casual user of eBay. For 3 months or so the auction numbers to the right of the listing have a working URL to the auction and there you can see what the item was. The profile already has the sellers id. -Mikkel From tomas at tlec.se Mon Nov 27 12:58:24 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:58:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Mikkel Breiler [mailto:mibm at tdcadsl.dk] > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:42 PM > To: tomas at tlec.se; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:37:04 +0100, "Tomas Larsson" > wrote: > > >At the moment, I have only seen it on the Swedish site > "Tradera", but > >I'll guess that it wil show up on Ebay pretty soon. > >The seller is asking for SEK 49:- approx US$4:- , so it > isn't much money. > > According to my math and todays curency exchangerates it is 7 USD! OOPS, sorry made a mistake (was thinking on GBP) > > >I don't mind that others put them on their sites, but I > think that we > >should be credited for it. > > Agree, completely. It should say who provided the scans. Not > that anyone but Nakamichi has any rights to them, but to give > credit is proper when you're taking something without asking. > > >I wonder if there is any good way to put some ID in the > files, that is > >difficult to remove. > > Can you say "Watermark"? I have been thinking of that, but AFAIK everything that is added to a PDF is removable too. I was more thinking in the line of, if it is possible to add the "credit text" and then "flatten" the pdf, so the scan and the credit-text is merged together to one object. To remove it you then need to export every page to bmp and manually edit the area. Obviously it has to done in some sort of batch operation, since there is a quite a lot of pages. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > >Something like " Orginally submitted by the members of > NAKTALK, Freely > >avaible for download from www.naks.mine.nu" > > >Just adding it to the pdf is no good, since its possible to > remove it, > >it has to be embedded somehow within the bitmaps. > > Perhaps writing it in same color as a piece of the > background. but I would embedd it into the bitmaps using a > watermarking tool. > > 2 seconds on google and 2 seconds on a file repository and > Bob's your uncle: > > http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Search/newsearch.php3?S_S=E > asy+Watermark+Creator&Category=0&Go=+Go%21+ > > I'd pick both > Easy Watermark Creator 1.6 > Easy Batch Watermark 2.9 > > And see if working on the bitmaps in batch would do the trick > nice enough. > > Simply putting a large bitmap URL of the place they are > offered from should suffice. > > Of course this only works for the future. > > >Re bandwidh, well, now there is no problems at all, I have virtually > >unlimited bandwidth ( 2100 Gbyte/month) so it should be Ok. > > Whoa that is a lot. Such privvys are usually not cheap. What > unspeakable deeds have you conscented to perform for that? > > -Mikkel > From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Nov 27 12:59:11 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:59:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: References: <20061127081811.1643.qmail@web27407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1dFqRTRRZ6kUTSTk7b8UfUpS9XKC@4ax.com> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:37:53 +0100, "Tomas Larsson" wrote: >http://www.tradera.com/auction/Stereo___HIFI/aid_36030938 Seller ID: itdoktor The seller id itdoktor sells NAD manuals on CD as well: http://www.tradera.com/auction/aid_35915845 And JBL/JVC/Korg/koda/LG http://www.tradera.com/auction/aid_35913005 And ReVox: http://www.tradera.com/auction/aid_35925360 And Alfa Romeo, Mercury Mariner, Makina camera and so on. I don't know how many of those are up for free but the ReVox manuals should be free off the web from several sources. Maybe he has taken the scans he has from someon of them. I did not look at all of his listings but if he nicked ReVox and Nakamichi manuals that were free to download then the others could be too. He doesn't strike me as the type who would purchase high quality manuals and resell them. He makes money from what he takes for free so it seems. Bottom line he needs to be stopped! -Mikkel From calman46 at verizon.net Mon Nov 27 14:16:51 2006 From: calman46 at verizon.net (calman46) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:16:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 481 In-Reply-To: <200611271025.kARAP1vs009858@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000001c71226$4dbf2c20$0bd5fea9@D4V42J41> On my 481 the left side loses volume a few seconds after the heads engage. It's like the tape is not making full contact. I have worked on Pioneer decks so I have some experience but never on a NAK. I have the SM. Any help would be appreciated thanks -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 45, Issue 64 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals (Tomas Larsson) 2. RE: Naks.mine.nu manuals (OMI) 3. RE: Naks.mine.nu manuals (Graham Nelson) 4. RE: Naks.mine.nu manuals (Shaun Montgomery) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:37:53 +0100 From: "Tomas Larsson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.tradera.com/auction/Stereo___HIFI/aid_36030938 With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Chris Mann > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals > > Tomas > > I'm very sorry to hear about this eBay listing. I paid > $14.99 months ago for my BX300/E manual because there was no > other place for me to find it then. I was happy to send it to you. > > It makes me angry to think someone has now abused your/our > community spirit. > > If I can find the original listing, I'll try to make this > seller regret what they did. > > Chris > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:28:50 -0600 From: "OMI" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <000001c71206$75c97830$2f01a8c0 at uzqu8chfwfb5nt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think you can imbed a cover sheet and other items in PDF files and then password protect them so they can not be changed. Other folks that are more PDF knowledgeable can comment better, but I do think there are other things you can do with PDF program to mark them permanently such as water marks, etc. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:37 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals At the moment, I have only seen it on the Swedish site "Tradera", but I'll guess that it wil show up on Ebay pretty soon. The seller is asking for SEK 49:- approx US$4:- , so it isn't much money. I don't mind that others put them on their sites, but I think that we should be credited for it. I wonder if there is any good way to put some ID in the files, that is difficult to remove. Something like " Orginally submitted by the members of NAKTALK, Freely avaible for download from www.naks.mine.nu" Just adding it to the pdf is no good, since its possible to remove it, it has to be embedded somehow within the bitmaps. Re bandwidh, well, now there is no problems at all, I have virtually unlimited bandwidth ( 2100 Gbyte/month) so it should be Ok. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:11 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Thats a solid idea! Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: Victor Trifu To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:38:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals How about just driving them out of business? Monitor this person's listing, and post next to it a listing with the title 'NAKAMICHI MANUALS - FREE DOWNLOAD' That would be maybe $1.50 for a 7 day listing, $7 per month. Worth the price? Victor >Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into >a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a >complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that >Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough >complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061127/d12421a 3/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:16:25 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Donald Sangster Sent: 27 November 2006 04:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Its amazing. I have just discovered a copy of my scan of the 600 service manual which I sent through to Tomas a year or two ago on a website called www.hifiengine.com which is letting people download it for free but only for "non-commercial" use. Does this mean they intend to charge for it for commercial use? They say to contact their webmaster about permission etc, but I could not find a webmaster reference on the site. I noticed that my front page was very carefully cleaned up in photoshop or something, but all of my notes later in the document are stlll there! This is certainly very curious. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Hey Alex, On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Tomas, I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! I'm extremely mad for what I read. Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are doing for us! Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! Peace, ALEX! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > CC: > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > PaulC > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Hi group. > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > > selling them on a cd. > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec.se > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/552 - Release Date: 26/11/2006 11:30 a.m. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061127/b587e15 b/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:23:45 -0000 From: "Shaun Montgomery" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <000701c7120e$1fd9d480$7300a8c0 at Shaun> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yeh, my BX-2 and BX-300 manuals are on the same site. The cad!! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 27 November 2006 10:16 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Donald Sangster Sent: 27 November 2006 04:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Its amazing. I have just discovered a copy of my scan of the 600 service manual which I sent through to Tomas a year or two ago on a website called www.hifiengine.com which is letting people download it for free but only for "non-commercial" use. Does this mean they intend to charge for it for commercial use? They say to contact their webmaster about permission etc, but I could not find a webmaster reference on the site. I noticed that my front page was very carefully cleaned up in photoshop or something, but all of my notes later in the document are stlll there! This is certainly very curious. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Hey Alex, On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Tomas, I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! I'm extremely mad for what I read. Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are doing for us! Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! Peace, ALEX! _____ > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > CC: > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > PaulC > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Hi group. > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > > selling them on a cd. > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec.se > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == _____ No virus found in this incoming message. 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061127/4308698 5/attachment.html ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 45, Issue 64 *************************************** From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Nov 27 14:47:31 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:47:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals References: Message-ID: <018401c7122a$98a27ae0$b207010a@hurtignok> Justs read all the posts about the person selling free manuals on Ebay. I was disappointed and I hope he uses the money to support his family or people in need...! My way of fighting this would be supply to Tomas and others with a PDF copy of the original Nakamichi 682ZX service manual I bought for 40 dollars about a month ago. It is in excellent condition and when I get a scanner (hopefully beginning of 2007) I will keep my promise. I also promised some months ago to supply Ron and other Nak Talkers with a scan of my papercopy Nakamichi BX-300 servicemanual but I understand from the posts that this manual is already online at hifiengine.com - Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > Hi group. > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > selling them on a cd. > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 27 15:23:50 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 06:23:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <018401c7122a$98a27ae0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <20061127142350.3843.qmail@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Per, Chris mann has the BX300 service manual on pdf which he e-mailed me. Bob Per wrote: Justs read all the posts about the person selling free manuals on Ebay. I was disappointed and I hope he uses the money to support his family or people in need...! My way of fighting this would be supply to Tomas and others with a PDF copy of the original Nakamichi 682ZX service manual I bought for 40 dollars about a month ago. It is in excellent condition and when I get a scanner (hopefully beginning of 2007) I will keep my promise. I also promised some months ago to supply Ron and other Nak Talkers with a scan of my papercopy Nakamichi BX-300 servicemanual but I understand from the posts that this manual is already online at hifiengine.com - Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > Hi group. > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > selling them on a cd. > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Mon Nov 27 15:43:34 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:43:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <20061127045259.44879.qmail@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061127045259.44879.qmail@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I often have trouble downloading and also ripping/burning CD's, because I dont rightly always know enough about computers to find,download then rip to CD. I would almost go ahead and get the CD this guy has available, except I always prefer Paper manuals when available. What I really need to do is learn more about computers . I'm not saying I would patronize this person though , given the fact that theres a lot of resentment towards him. On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:52:59 -0600, Bob Naylor wrote: > If they show up on e-bay, we'll find him. Also check Craig's list. > Bob > > Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Alex, > > On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > > Dear Tomas, > I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! > I'm extremely mad for what I read. > Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are doing > for us! > > Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. > > Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a > CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to > eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for > free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this > "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! > Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > --------------------------------- > >> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 >> From: paulcar at caribsurf.com >> To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals >> CC: >> >> I hope it is not one of the Naks members! >> PaulC >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >> > Hi group. >> > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is >> now >> > selling them on a cd. >> > >> > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. >> > >> > With best regards >> > >> > Tomas Larsson >> > Sweden >> > http://www.tlec.se >> > http://www.ktl.mine.nu >> > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >> > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and >> username. >> > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. >> > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 >> > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 27 15:47:45 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:47:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Spark Suppression: 110V or 220V ? In-Reply-To: <003201c71189$80b81d50$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200611261101.kAQB0VSs023687@zxe.naks.com> <003201c71189$80b81d50$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <456AFA91.8060700@rcn.com> You may find the rating stamped right 0n the part. The cap voltage rating may well be too low. Be sure before you apply 240VAC to it. Also, by putting the transformer inside the deck you are increasing the chance of hum and EMI. The deck will not be 'original'. Personally, I would not do it. It is far better to change socket to the type that does not accept American plugs. -- Ron soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi all > Im adding a voltage convertor transformer (formerly used outside) inside my > Naks so that the power sockets are less cluttered with extra transformers > etc and that i dont inadvertently plug it directly into the 220V mains > (socket accepts 110V plugs) > > The power switch has a spark suppression device ...does this work with 220V > ? Does the switch work with 220V too ? > > Best > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 27 15:55:42 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:55:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <34FE1A12-C6E3-40AF-B780-00B26041A46C@woods-and-waters.com> References: <34FE1A12-C6E3-40AF-B780-00B26041A46C@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <456AFC6E.9020408@rcn.com> Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Alex, > > > On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > >> Dear Tomas, >> >> I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! >> I'm extremely mad for what I read. >> >> Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are >> doing for us! > > Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. > > Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a > CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to > eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for > free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this > "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! Wishful thinking. Ebay is in the business of making money and couldn't care less about how. If you wish the complaint to have any effect, mention that you will report them to the Attorney General office for aiding and abetting the sale of stolen goods. -- Ron > >> >> Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! >> >> Peace, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 >> > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com >> > To: tomas at tlec.se ; naktalk at naks.com >> >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals >> > CC: >> > >> > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! >> > PaulC >> > >> > Tomas Larsson wrote: >> > > Hi group. >> > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and >> is now >> > > selling them on a cd. >> > > >> > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. >> > > >> > > With best regards >> > > >> > > Tomas Larsson >> > > Sweden >> > > http://www.tlec.se >> > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu >> > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >> > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and >> username. >> > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com >> service. >> > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 >> > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 27 16:21:21 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:21:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 481 In-Reply-To: <000001c71226$4dbf2c20$0bd5fea9@D4V42J41> References: <000001c71226$4dbf2c20$0bd5fea9@D4V42J41> Message-ID: <456B0271.1010003@rcn.com> The problem could be mechanical (head contact) or electrical. For starters, clean the head well and check tape traveling. If the problem persists: using a signal tracer listen to the signal at the head output. -- Ron calman46 wrote: > On my 481 the left side loses volume a few seconds after the heads > engage. It's like the tape is not making full contact. I have worked on > Pioneer decks so I have some experience but never on a NAK. I have the > SM. Any help would be appreciated thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:25 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 45, Issue 64 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals (Tomas Larsson) > 2. RE: Naks.mine.nu manuals (OMI) > 3. RE: Naks.mine.nu manuals (Graham Nelson) > 4. RE: Naks.mine.nu manuals (Shaun Montgomery) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:37:53 +0100 > From: "Tomas Larsson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > > L/qyP1EBAAAAAA==@tlec.se> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > http://www.tradera.com/auction/Stereo___HIFI/aid_36030938 > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and > username. > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Chris Mann >> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:18 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals >> >> Tomas >> >> I'm very sorry to hear about this eBay listing. I paid >> $14.99 months ago for my BX300/E manual because there was no >> other place for me to find it then. I was happy to send it to you. >> >> It makes me angry to think someone has now abused your/our >> community spirit. >> >> If I can find the original listing, I'll try to make this >> seller regret what they did. >> >> Chris >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain >> your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:28:50 -0600 > From: "OMI" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <000001c71206$75c97830$2f01a8c0 at uzqu8chfwfb5nt> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I think you can imbed a cover sheet and other items in PDF files and > then > password protect them so they can not be changed. Other folks that are > more > PDF knowledgeable can comment better, but I do think there are other > things > you can do with PDF program to mark them permanently such as water > marks, > etc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:37 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > > At the moment, I have only seen it on the Swedish site "Tradera", but > I'll > guess that it wil show up on Ebay pretty soon. > > The seller is asking for SEK 49:- approx US$4:- , so it isn't much > money. > > I don't mind that others put them on their sites, but I think that we > should > be credited for it. > > > > I wonder if there is any good way to put some ID in the files, that is > difficult to remove. > > > > Something like " Orginally submitted by the members of NAKTALK, Freely > avaible for download from www.naks.mine.nu" > > Just adding it to the pdf is no good, since its possible to remove it, > it > has to be embedded somehow within the bitmaps. > > > > Re bandwidh, well, now there is no problems at all, I have virtually > unlimited bandwidth ( 2100 Gbyte/month) so it should be Ok. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" > as > both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com > service. > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > > _____ > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:11 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > Thats a solid idea! > > Bala Ganesh > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Victor Trifu > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:38:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > How about just driving them out of business? > Monitor this person's listing, and post next to it a listing with the > title 'NAKAMICHI MANUALS - FREE DOWNLOAD' > That would be maybe $1.50 for a 7 day listing, $7 per month. > Worth the price? > > Victor > >> Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into >> a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a >> complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that >> Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough >> complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061127/d12421a > 3/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:16:25 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery!!! > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf > Of Donald Sangster > Sent: 27 November 2006 04:27 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > Its amazing. I have just discovered a copy of my scan of the 600 > service > manual which I sent through to Tomas a year or two ago on a website > called > www.hifiengine.com which is letting people download it for free but only > for > "non-commercial" use. Does this mean they intend to charge for it for > commercial use? They say to contact their webmaster about permission > etc, > but I could not find a webmaster reference on the site. > > I noticed that my front page was very carefully cleaned up in > photoshop or > something, but all of my notes later in the document are stlll there! > > This is certainly very curious. > > Donald > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > Hey Alex, > > > > > On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Dear Tomas, > > I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the > "THANKS"!!! > I'm extremely mad for what I read. > > Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are > doing for us! > > > > Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. > > > Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into > a > CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to > eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for > free > download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this "person" > they'll get kicked off eBay! > > > > Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > > > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > > To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > CC: > > > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > > PaulC > > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > Hi group. > > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage > and > is now > > > selling them on a cd. > > > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > Tomas Larsson > > > Sweden > > > http://www.tlec.se > > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password > and > username. > > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/552 - Release Date: > 26/11/2006 11:30 a.m. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061127/b587e15 > b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:23:45 -0000 > From: "Shaun Montgomery" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <000701c7120e$1fd9d480$7300a8c0 at Shaun> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yeh, my BX-2 and BX-300 manuals are on the same site. The cad!! > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Graham Nelson > Sent: 27 November 2006 10:16 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > Plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery!!! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Donald Sangster > Sent: 27 November 2006 04:27 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > Its amazing. I have just discovered a copy of my scan of the 600 service > manual which I sent through to Tomas a year or two ago on a website > called > www.hifiengine.com which is letting people download it for free but only > for > "non-commercial" use. Does this mean they intend to charge for it for > commercial use? They say to contact their webmaster about permission > etc, > but I could not find a webmaster reference on the site. > > I noticed that my front page was very carefully cleaned up in photoshop > or > something, but all of my notes later in the document are stlll there! > > This is certainly very curious. > > Donald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > Hey Alex, > > > On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Dear Tomas, > > I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! > I'm > extremely mad for what I read. > > Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are doing > for > us! > > > > Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. > > Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a > CD > for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to > eBay > explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for free > download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this "person" > they'll get kicked off eBay! > > > > Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > > _____ > > >> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 >> From: paulcar at caribsurf.com >> To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals >> CC: >> >> I hope it is not one of the Naks members! >> PaulC >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >>> Hi group. >>> It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is > now >>> selling them on a cd. >>> >>> Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. >>> >>> With best regards >>> >>> Tomas Larsson >>> Sweden >>> http://www.tlec.se >>> http://www.ktl.mine.nu >>> http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >>> ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and > username. >>> Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. >>> http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 >>> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! From thepieboy at comcast.net Mon Nov 27 17:05:49 2006 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:05:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Message-ID: <112720061605.21025.456B0CDD000B528100005221220076018097010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Members on the Klipsch forum have noticed that some of the archived material that has been made available to the public is showing up for sale on Ebay, too. It is certainly a mercinary attitude these sellers have. I have purchased manuals from sellers on Ebay only when I could not find any other source. I would like to avoid having to do that to get a manual for my Nakamichi TA-2A receiver. Does anyone have one to scan or know where I can find a download? Tomas' site does not appear to have Nak receiver info. Best regards, John Derven -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Per" > Justs read all the posts about the person selling free manuals on Ebay. > I was disappointed and I hope he uses the money to support his family > or people in need...! My way of fighting this would be supply to Tomas > and others with a PDF copy of the original Nakamichi 682ZX service > manual I bought for 40 dollars about a month ago. It is in excellent > condition and when I get a scanner (hopefully beginning of 2007) I > will keep my promise. I also promised some months ago to supply > Ron and other Nak Talkers with a scan of my papercopy Nakamichi > BX-300 servicemanual but I understand from the posts that this manual > is already online at hifiengine.com - Best Regards, Per > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas Larsson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:29 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > > Hi group. > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > > selling them on a cd. > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec.se > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sybarito at hotmail.com Mon Nov 27 18:27:17 2006 From: sybarito at hotmail.com (Isy Fidelman) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:27:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is realy unbelievable!!!! I remember when Wouter had the manuals and the same thing happened....Pretty crazy my friends Isy Fidelman Caracas, Venezuela >From: "Graham Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:16:25 -0000 > >Plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery!!! > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Donald Sangster > Sent: 27 November 2006 04:27 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > Its amazing. I have just discovered a copy of my scan of the 600 service >manual which I sent through to Tomas a year or two ago on a website called >www.hifiengine.com which is letting people download it for free but only >for >"non-commercial" use. Does this mean they intend to charge for it for >commercial use? They say to contact their webmaster about permission etc, >but I could not find a webmaster reference on the site. > > I noticed that my front page was very carefully cleaned up in photoshop >or >something, but all of my notes later in the document are stlll there! > > This is certainly very curious. > > Donald > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > Hey Alex, > > > > > On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Dear Tomas, > > I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the >"THANKS"!!! >I'm extremely mad for what I read. > > Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are >doing for us! > > > > Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. > > > Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a >CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to >eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for free >download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this "person" >they'll get kicked off eBay! > > > > Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > > To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > CC: > > > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > > PaulC > > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > Hi group. > > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage >and >is now > > > selling them on a cd. > > > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > Tomas Larsson > > > Sweden > > > http://www.tlec.se > > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password >and >username. > > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/552 - Release Date: >26/11/2006 11:30 a.m. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 27 19:53:33 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:53:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New Maxell XLIIS-90's In-Reply-To: <518b7b10611221304u7d808174y89188b045ddc72b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061127185333.42079.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George, It looks like it took 2 weeks for you to get your order. Where are you located and where is this BFM? I ordered 10 last week. I tried to call them (phone # on web site) but I just get a generic answering machine. Thanks, Bob george valkov wrote: Try this: http://www.bfmbatterysales.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=409 but the price seems to be different.... George On 11/22/06, Bob Naylor wrote: > Mark, > I tried to type in "bfmwholesale" but nothing found. Do you have a URL for > them? > Thanks, Bob > > Mark Ballard wrote: > Just thought I would report that I purchased and received 50 New Maxell > XLIIS-90's from BFM Wholesale (1.10 each plus shipping, they also seem > to have 100's). Placed an order on 11/7/06 and received today. Just in > case anyone has been looking, ebay is outrageously priced if you can > even find them there. > > Cheers, > Mark > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Nov 27 20:02:06 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B.Yap) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:02:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Message-ID: <18188CC7-E64A-4114-9C5C-B6F37B196A3B@alumni.caltech.edu> Umm, I don't have the service manual; will have to go look at Tomas' site later. The cam belt is, well, a belt. It wraps around the control motor pulley and the control cam pulley (the latter is probably about 5cm diameter, I'd estimate). The idler tire is a smaller rubber, well, tire, but the idler wheel it goes around is between the brake drums attached to the reels. It is apparently quite difficult to change the tire in this (the classic) mechanism, but doesn't require changing much (like once a decade or less). It contacts the pulley on the reel motor shaft on one side, and one of the reel motors when the tape is in motion; which one depends on the direction of tape travel. The tire is only around one thing, the idler wheel, which is probably about 1.25cm or thereabouts.-kby From calman46 at verizon.net Mon Nov 27 20:05:08 2006 From: calman46 at verizon.net (calman46) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:05:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest NAK 481 In-Reply-To: <200611271608.kARG87Ou014308@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000401c71256$f5ece920$0bd5fea9@D4V42J41> It was the PH height adjustment ,both channels even now .Thanks -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 45, Issue 66 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals (Bob Naylor) 2. Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals (jerryjg) 3. Re: Spark Suppression: 110V or 220V ? (Ron) 4. Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals (Ron) 5. Re: RE: 481 (Ron) 6. Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals (thepieboy at comcast.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 06:23:50 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20061127142350.3843.qmail at web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Per, Chris mann has the BX300 service manual on pdf which he e-mailed me. Bob Per wrote: Justs read all the posts about the person selling free manuals on Ebay. I was disappointed and I hope he uses the money to support his family or people in need...! My way of fighting this would be supply to Tomas and others with a PDF copy of the original Nakamichi 682ZX service manual I bought for 40 dollars about a month ago. It is in excellent condition and when I get a scanner (hopefully beginning of 2007) I will keep my promise. I also promised some months ago to supply Ron and other Nak Talkers with a scan of my papercopy Nakamichi BX-300 servicemanual but I understand from the posts that this manual is already online at hifiengine.com - Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > Hi group. > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > selling them on a cd. > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061127/733cbd1 2/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:43:34 -0600 From: jerryjg Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 I often have trouble downloading and also ripping/burning CD's, because I dont rightly always know enough about computers to find,download then rip to CD. I would almost go ahead and get the CD this guy has available, except I always prefer Paper manuals when available. What I really need to do is learn more about computers . I'm not saying I would patronize this person though , given the fact that theres a lot of resentment towards him. On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:52:59 -0600, Bob Naylor wrote: > If they show up on e-bay, we'll find him. Also check Craig's list. > Bob > > Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Alex, > > On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > > Dear Tomas, > I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! > I'm extremely mad for what I read. > Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are doing > for us! > > Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. > > Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a > CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to > eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for > free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this > "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! > Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > --------------------------------- > >> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 >> From: paulcar at caribsurf.com >> To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals >> CC: >> >> I hope it is not one of the Naks members! >> PaulC >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >> > Hi group. >> > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is >> now >> > selling them on a cd. >> > >> > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. >> > >> > With best regards >> > >> > Tomas Larsson >> > Sweden >> > http://www.tlec.se >> > http://www.ktl.mine.nu >> > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >> > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and >> username. >> > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. >> > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 >> > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:47:45 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Spark Suppression: 110V or 220V ? To: soumitra at soumitrab.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <456AFA91.8060700 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You may find the rating stamped right 0n the part. The cap voltage rating may well be too low. Be sure before you apply 240VAC to it. Also, by putting the transformer inside the deck you are increasing the chance of hum and EMI. The deck will not be 'original'. Personally, I would not do it. It is far better to change socket to the type that does not accept American plugs. -- Ron soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi all > Im adding a voltage convertor transformer (formerly used outside) inside my > Naks so that the power sockets are less cluttered with extra transformers > etc and that i dont inadvertently plug it directly into the 220V mains > (socket accepts 110V plugs) > > The power switch has a spark suppression device ...does this work with 220V > ? Does the switch work with 220V too ? > > Best > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:55:42 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <456AFC6E.9020408 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Alex, > > > On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > >> Dear Tomas, >> >> I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! >> I'm extremely mad for what I read. >> >> Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are >> doing for us! > > Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. > > Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a > CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to > eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for > free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this > "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! Wishful thinking. Ebay is in the business of making money and couldn't care less about how. If you wish the complaint to have any effect, mention that you will report them to the Attorney General office for aiding and abetting the sale of stolen goods. -- Ron > >> >> Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! >> >> Peace, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 >> > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com >> > To: tomas at tlec.se ; naktalk at naks.com >> >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals >> > CC: >> > >> > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! >> > PaulC >> > >> > Tomas Larsson wrote: >> > > Hi group. >> > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and >> is now >> > > selling them on a cd. >> > > >> > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. >> > > >> > > With best regards >> > > >> > > Tomas Larsson >> > > Sweden >> > > http://www.tlec.se >> > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu >> > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >> > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and >> username. >> > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com >> service. >> > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 >> > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:21:21 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 481 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <456B0271.1010003 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The problem could be mechanical (head contact) or electrical. For starters, clean the head well and check tape traveling. If the problem persists: using a signal tracer listen to the signal at the head output. -- Ron calman46 wrote: > On my 481 the left side loses volume a few seconds after the heads > engage. It's like the tape is not making full contact. I have worked on > Pioneer decks so I have some experience but never on a NAK. I have the > SM. Any help would be appreciated thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:25 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 45, Issue 64 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals (Tomas Larsson) > 2. RE: Naks.mine.nu manuals (OMI) > 3. RE: Naks.mine.nu manuals (Graham Nelson) > 4. RE: Naks.mine.nu manuals (Shaun Montgomery) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:37:53 +0100 > From: "Tomas Larsson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > > L/qyP1EBAAAAAA==@tlec.se> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > http://www.tradera.com/auction/Stereo___HIFI/aid_36030938 > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and > username. > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Chris Mann >> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:18 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals >> >> Tomas >> >> I'm very sorry to hear about this eBay listing. I paid >> $14.99 months ago for my BX300/E manual because there was no >> other place for me to find it then. I was happy to send it to you. >> >> It makes me angry to think someone has now abused your/our >> community spirit. >> >> If I can find the original listing, I'll try to make this >> seller regret what they did. >> >> Chris >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain >> your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------ >> ---========= >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:28:50 -0600 > From: "OMI" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <000001c71206$75c97830$2f01a8c0 at uzqu8chfwfb5nt> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I think you can imbed a cover sheet and other items in PDF files and > then > password protect them so they can not be changed. Other folks that are > more > PDF knowledgeable can comment better, but I do think there are other > things > you can do with PDF program to mark them permanently such as water > marks, > etc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:37 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > > At the moment, I have only seen it on the Swedish site "Tradera", but > I'll > guess that it wil show up on Ebay pretty soon. > > The seller is asking for SEK 49:- approx US$4:- , so it isn't much > money. > > I don't mind that others put them on their sites, but I think that we > should > be credited for it. > > > > I wonder if there is any good way to put some ID in the files, that is > difficult to remove. > > > > Something like " Orginally submitted by the members of NAKTALK, Freely > avaible for download from www.naks.mine.nu" > > Just adding it to the pdf is no good, since its possible to remove it, > it > has to be embedded somehow within the bitmaps. > > > > Re bandwidh, well, now there is no problems at all, I have virtually > unlimited bandwidth ( 2100 Gbyte/month) so it should be Ok. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" > as > both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com > service. > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > > _____ > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:11 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > Thats a solid idea! > > Bala Ganesh > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Victor Trifu > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:38:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > How about just driving them out of business? > Monitor this person's listing, and post next to it a listing with the > title 'NAKAMICHI MANUALS - FREE DOWNLOAD' > That would be maybe $1.50 for a 7 day listing, $7 per month. > Worth the price? > > Victor > >> Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into >> a CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a >> complaint to eBay explaining that he's selling information that >> Tomas gathered for free download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough >> complaints aobut this "person" they'll get kicked off eBay! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061127/d12421a > 3/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:16:25 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery!!! > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf > Of Donald Sangster > Sent: 27 November 2006 04:27 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > Its amazing. I have just discovered a copy of my scan of the 600 > service > manual which I sent through to Tomas a year or two ago on a website > called > www.hifiengine.com which is letting people download it for free but only > for > "non-commercial" use. Does this mean they intend to charge for it for > commercial use? They say to contact their webmaster about permission > etc, > but I could not find a webmaster reference on the site. > > I noticed that my front page was very carefully cleaned up in > photoshop or > something, but all of my notes later in the document are stlll there! > > This is certainly very curious. > > Donald > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > Hey Alex, > > > > > On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Dear Tomas, > > I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the > "THANKS"!!! > I'm extremely mad for what I read. > > Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are > doing for us! > > > > Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. > > > Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into > a > CD for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to > eBay explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for > free > download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this "person" > they'll get kicked off eBay! > > > > Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > > > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 > > From: paulcar at caribsurf.com > > To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > CC: > > > > I hope it is not one of the Naks members! > > PaulC > > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > Hi group. > > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage > and > is now > > > selling them on a cd. > > > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > Tomas Larsson > > > Sweden > > > http://www.tlec.se > > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password > and > username. > > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/552 - Release Date: > 26/11/2006 11:30 a.m. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061127/b587e15 > b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:23:45 -0000 > From: "Shaun Montgomery" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <000701c7120e$1fd9d480$7300a8c0 at Shaun> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yeh, my BX-2 and BX-300 manuals are on the same site. The cad!! > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Graham Nelson > Sent: 27 November 2006 10:16 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > Plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery!!! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Donald Sangster > Sent: 27 November 2006 04:27 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > Its amazing. I have just discovered a copy of my scan of the 600 service > manual which I sent through to Tomas a year or two ago on a website > called > www.hifiengine.com which is letting people download it for free but only > for > "non-commercial" use. Does this mean they intend to charge for it for > commercial use? They say to contact their webmaster about permission > etc, > but I could not find a webmaster reference on the site. > > I noticed that my front page was very carefully cleaned up in photoshop > or > something, but all of my notes later in the document are stlll there! > > This is certainly very curious. > > Donald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > Hey Alex, > > > On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Dear Tomas, > > I can't believed!!! When a person is honest, that's is the "THANKS"!!! > I'm > extremely mad for what I read. > > Go forward Thomas, don't worry be always happy...with what you are doing > for > us! > > > > Well said! I agree wholeheartedly. > > Let's try to find out who has taken the files and compiled them into a > CD > for sale, then every time his CDs come up on eBay send a complaint to > eBay > explaining that he's selling information that Tomas gathered for free > download. Hopefully, if eBay gets enough complaints aobut this "person" > they'll get kicked off eBay! > > > > Our Lord will always bless you! Be 100% sure!!! > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > > _____ > > >> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:58 -0400 >> From: paulcar at caribsurf.com >> To: tomas at tlec.se; naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals >> CC: >> >> I hope it is not one of the Naks members! >> PaulC >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >>> Hi group. >>> It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is > now >>> selling them on a cd. >>> >>> Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. >>> >>> With best regards >>> >>> Tomas Larsson >>> Sweden >>> http://www.tlec.se >>> http://www.ktl.mine.nu >>> http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >>> ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and > username. >>> Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. >>> http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 >>> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:05:49 +0000 From: thepieboy at comcast.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <112720061605.21025.456B0CDD000B528100005221220076018097010D0A079F0A089B @comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Members on the Klipsch forum have noticed that some of the archived material that has been made available to the public is showing up for sale on Ebay, too. It is certainly a mercinary attitude these sellers have. I have purchased manuals from sellers on Ebay only when I could not find any other source. I would like to avoid having to do that to get a manual for my Nakamichi TA-2A receiver. Does anyone have one to scan or know where I can find a download? Tomas' site does not appear to have Nak receiver info. Best regards, John Derven -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Per" > Justs read all the posts about the person selling free manuals on Ebay. > I was disappointed and I hope he uses the money to support his family > or people in need...! My way of fighting this would be supply to Tomas > and others with a PDF copy of the original Nakamichi 682ZX service > manual I bought for 40 dollars about a month ago. It is in excellent > condition and when I get a scanner (hopefully beginning of 2007) I > will keep my promise. I also promised some months ago to supply > Ron and other Nak Talkers with a scan of my papercopy Nakamichi > BX-300 servicemanual but I understand from the posts that this manual > is already online at hifiengine.com - Best Regards, Per > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas Larsson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:29 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > > Hi group. > > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > > selling them on a cd. > > > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec.se > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061127/8a7b155 6/attachment.html ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 45, Issue 66 *************************************** From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 20:21:38 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:21:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New Maxell XLIIS-90's In-Reply-To: <20061127185333.42079.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <518b7b10611221304u7d808174y89188b045ddc72b5@mail.gmail.com> <20061127185333.42079.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10611271121w7ec5401ar6bfd06ede862319f@mail.gmail.com> It was Mark, I never bought from BFM. On 11/27/06, Bob Naylor wrote: > George, > It looks like it took 2 weeks for you to get your order. Where are you > located and where is this BFM? I ordered 10 last week. I tried to call > them (phone # on web site) but I just get a generic answering machine. > Thanks, Bob > > george valkov wrote: > Try this: > > http://www.bfmbatterysales.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=409 > > but the price seems to be different.... > > George > > On 11/22/06, Bob Naylor wrote: > > Mark, > > I tried to type in "bfmwholesale" but nothing found. Do you have a URL for > > them? > > Thanks, Bob > > > > Mark Ballard wrote: > > Just thought I would report that I purchased and received 50 New Maxell > > XLIIS-90's from BFM Wholesale (1.10 each plus shipping, they also seem > > to have 100's). Placed an order on 11/7/06 and received today. Just in > > case anyone has been looking, ebay is outrageously priced if you can > > even find them there. > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 20:26:08 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:26:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest NAK 481 In-Reply-To: <000401c71256$f5ece920$0bd5fea9@D4V42J41> References: <200611271608.kARG87Ou014308@zxe.naks.com> <000401c71256$f5ece920$0bd5fea9@D4V42J41> Message-ID: <518b7b10611271126x112fd040m74464c2f64121aeb@mail.gmail.com> You don't really need to send out to all of us the whole Naktalk digest (or two) in your email, please delete it when you post in future. George On 11/27/06, calman46 wrote: > It was the PH height adjustment ,both channels even now .Thanks > From ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 20:35:04 2006 From: ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com (Ricardo Cruz) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:35:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff In-Reply-To: <18188CC7-E64A-4114-9C5C-B6F37B196A3B@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <000c01c7125b$24e4d950$0202a8c0@ric> Thanks Kimo > It contacts the pulley on the reel motor shaft on one side, and one of the reel motors when the tape is in I've changed this one yes. I have to have a look at the cam belt then. Just to make sure this is NOT counter belt "b"? And yes the classic mechanism is a pain :) RC -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B.Yap Sent: segunda-feira, 27 de Novembro de 2006 19:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Umm, I don't have the service manual; will have to go look at Tomas' site later. The cam belt is, well, a belt. It wraps around the control motor pulley and the control cam pulley (the latter is probably about 5cm diameter, I'd estimate). The idler tire is a smaller rubber, well, tire, but the idler wheel it goes around is between the brake drums attached to the reels. It is apparently quite difficult to change the tire in this (the classic) mechanism, but doesn't require changing much (like once a decade or less). It contacts the pulley on the reel motor shaft on one side, and one of the reel motors when the tape is in motion; which one depends on the direction of tape travel. The tire is only around one thing, the idler wheel, which is probably about 1.25cm or thereabouts.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Nov 27 20:42:41 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:42:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Message-ID: <091B81CA-BE16-40F7-90A9-B9ED7F8401F9@alumni.caltech.edu> It shouldn't be that; it has only to do with the control motor. The easiest way to spot it would be to see the big cam gear that turns when you make the deck switch any mode. Look up the instructions in the manual for cam motor adjustment--it should show you what you're looking for. You don't necessarily want to do the adjustment, but it will have some pics as to the area to look.-kby From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Nov 27 21:11:15 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:11:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff In-Reply-To: <000c01c7125b$24e4d950$0202a8c0@ric> Message-ID: <266119.93723.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How did you change this idler - I have not known a simple way to do this without stripping the transport ? And that requires really good experience with Dragon. there is something ( after working on more than a dozen Dragons) that I do not understand? Kannan Ricardo Cruz wrote: Thanks Kimo > It contacts the pulley on the reel motor shaft on one side, and one of the reel motors when the tape is in I've changed this one yes. I have to have a look at the cam belt then. Just to make sure this is NOT counter belt "b"? And yes the classic mechanism is a pain :) RC -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B.Yap Sent: segunda-feira, 27 de Novembro de 2006 19:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Umm, I don't have the service manual; will have to go look at Tomas' site later. The cam belt is, well, a belt. It wraps around the control motor pulley and the control cam pulley (the latter is probably about 5cm diameter, I'd estimate). The idler tire is a smaller rubber, well, tire, but the idler wheel it goes around is between the brake drums attached to the reels. It is apparently quite difficult to change the tire in this (the classic) mechanism, but doesn't require changing much (like once a decade or less). It contacts the pulley on the reel motor shaft on one side, and one of the reel motors when the tape is in motion; which one depends on the direction of tape travel. The tire is only around one thing, the idler wheel, which is probably about 1.25cm or thereabouts.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! 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URL: From ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 22:27:06 2006 From: ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com (Ricardo Cruz) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:27:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff In-Reply-To: <266119.93723.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201c7126a$cb9f8150$0202a8c0@ric> I've stripped the transport. And I took a while. No experience on Dragons, just Laserdisc players and CRT projectors. I just have no idea where else I should look for the problem I have. I THINK it is possible to replace the idler anyway by slipping it into the wheel and beneath the shaft. Rotating the idler very slowly and moving "vertically". I tried it but my hands (and patience) were not on par for this. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: segunda-feira, 27 de Novembro de 2006 20:11 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff How did you change this idler - I have not known a simple way to do this without stripping the transport ? And that requires really good experience with Dragon. there is something ( after working on more than a dozen Dragons) that I do not understand? Kannan Ricardo Cruz wrote: Thanks Kimo > It contacts the pulley on the reel motor shaft on one side, and one of the reel motors when the tape is in I've changed this one yes. I have to have a look at the cam belt then. Just to make sure this is NOT counter belt "b"? And yes the classic mechanism is a pain :) RC -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B.Yap Sent: segunda-feira, 27 de Novembro de 2006 19:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Umm, I don't have the service manual; will have to go look at Tomas' site later. The cam belt is, well, a belt. It wraps around the control motor pulley and the control cam pulley (the latter is probably about 5cm diameter, I'd estimate). The idler tire is a smaller rubber, well, tire, but the idler wheel it goes around is between the brake drums attached to the reels. It is apparently quite difficult to change the tire in this (the classic) mechanism, but doesn't require changing much (like once a decade or less). It contacts the pulley on the reel motor shaft on one side, and one of the reel motors when the tape is in motion; which one depends on the direction of tape travel. The tire is only around one thing, the idler wheel, which is probably about 1.25cm or thereabouts.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Check out the all-new Yahoo! 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I tried it but my hands (and patience) were not on par for this. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: segunda-feira, 27 de Novembro de 2006 20:11 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff How did you change this idler - I have not known a simple way to do this without stripping the transport ? And that requires really good experience with Dragon. there is something ( after working on more than a dozen Dragons) that I do not understand? Kannan Ricardo Cruz wrote: Thanks Kimo > It contacts the pulley on the reel motor shaft on one side, and one of the reel motors when the tape is in I've changed this one yes. I have to have a look at the cam belt then. Just to make sure this is NOT counter belt "b"? And yes the classic mechanism is a pain :) RC -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B.Yap Sent: segunda-feira, 27 de Novembro de 2006 19:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Umm, I don't have the service manual; will have to go look at Tomas' site later. The cam belt is, well, a belt. It wraps around the control motor pulley and the control cam pulley (the latter is probably about 5cm diameter, I'd estimate). The idler tire is a smaller rubber, well, tire, but the idler wheel it goes around is between the brake drums attached to the reels. It is apparently quite difficult to change the tire in this (the classic) mechanism, but doesn't require changing much (like once a decade or less). It contacts the pulley on the reel motor shaft on one side, and one of the reel motors when the tape is in motion; which one depends on the direction of tape travel. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 27 23:47:31 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:47:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5331.201.229.243.189.1164667651.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Well Thomas... if you dive into the naktalk archives you´ll find some of my email with this subject and find out the reason why i stopped scanning manuals... some of the manuals on sale through your site came from my own collection, i spend my time scanning them! For this reason i started the on'demand way of sharing the manuals and these days i offer ebay links on the website for those that don´t know the way to them through naktalk. So if you want no frustration.. don´t offer them on your site because someone will find them and sell them. Wouter > Hi group. > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > selling them on a cd. > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Tue Nov 28 00:49:54 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:49:54 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals References: <5331.201.229.243.189.1164667651.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <009c01c7127e$bd33b410$3fa699de@tec> Here is a link to the person selling the CD. If someone on this network is an ebay member they can report the item and put up a question about the origin of the files. It does look like the ripped off list. http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nakamichi-Service-and-Instruction-Manuals-on-CD_W0QQitemZ140056154730QQihZ004QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > Well Thomas... if you dive into the naktalk archives you´ll find some of > my email with this subject and find out the reason why i stopped scanning > manuals... some of the manuals on sale through your site came from my own > collection, i spend my time scanning them! > For this reason i started the on'demand way of sharing the manuals and > these days i offer ebay links on the website for those that don´t know the > way to them through naktalk. > > So if you want no frustration.. don´t offer them on your site because > someone will find them and sell them. > > Wouter > > >> Hi group. >> It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now >> selling them on a cd. >> >> Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/552 - Release Date: > 26/11/2006 11:30 a.m. > > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Nov 28 00:55:36 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:55:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <5331.201.229.243.189.1164667651.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: I understand the frustrations and annoyance but let's be realistic - there will always be people who will sell water by a river and there will always be people who will buy it! Besides, for some people, knowing where they can go directly to a source from whom they can buy a manual may be preferable than taking up time to search for a free one. After all, the costs are not that great, and not everyone with a Nak will know about Wouter or Tomas ... In anycase, these sellers can't be selling many Nak manuals - they'll be making buttons out of the profits. So, is it really worth getting steamed up about, and expending energy to combat, them? Life's too short - just enjoy the music. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: 27 November 2006 22:48 To: tomas at tlec.se; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Well Thomas... if you dive into the naktalk archives you´ll find some of my email with this subject and find out the reason why i stopped scanning manuals... some of the manuals on sale through your site came from my own collection, i spend my time scanning them! For this reason i started the on'demand way of sharing the manuals and these days i offer ebay links on the website for those that don´t know the way to them through naktalk. So if you want no frustration.. don´t offer them on your site because someone will find them and sell them. Wouter > Hi group. > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > selling them on a cd. > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden From kmashlan at shaw.ca Tue Nov 28 01:19:35 2006 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:19:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008101c71282$e22f5630$5f01a8c0@shuttle> Good point - while a couple of the manuals I scanned have been ripped off I don't really care as I did the scanning for the list, not to make money, and someone selling them doesn't stop anyone on this list from accessing them. Also, some people who may be on dialup etc who can't download 60MB service manuals may be quite happy to pay a few bucks... Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: November 27, 2006 3:56 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals I understand the frustrations and annoyance but let's be realistic - there will always be people who will sell water by a river and there will always be people who will buy it! Besides, for some people, knowing where they can go directly to a source from whom they can buy a manual may be preferable than taking up time to search for a free one. After all, the costs are not that great, and not everyone with a Nak will know about Wouter or Tomas ... In anycase, these sellers can't be selling many Nak manuals - they'll be making buttons out of the profits. So, is it really worth getting steamed up about, and expending energy to combat, them? Life's too short - just enjoy the music. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: 27 November 2006 22:48 To: tomas at tlec.se; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Well Thomas... if you dive into the naktalk archives you´ll find some of my email with this subject and find out the reason why i stopped scanning manuals... some of the manuals on sale through your site came from my own collection, i spend my time scanning them! For this reason i started the on'demand way of sharing the manuals and these days i offer ebay links on the website for those that don´t know the way to them through naktalk. So if you want no frustration.. don´t offer them on your site because someone will find them and sell them. Wouter > Hi group. > It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now > selling them on a cd. > > Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Nov 28 01:27:37 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:27:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <009c01c7127e$bd33b410$3fa699de@tec> Message-ID: I don't think this is the same as the "itdokter" seller - there'll be several of these guys/gals Worldwide, but this ke3gk character in Canada does seem to be specialising in a vast number of product manuals and I note has a very satisfied lot of customers. But I doubt he's eking a living out of the Nak manuals alone! 91 of all types of manuals sold in the last month at about c.$10 US a time .... $910. It's a nice sideline but hardly a living wage. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Donald Sangster Sent: 27 November 2006 23:50 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Here is a link to the person selling the CD. If someone on this network is an ebay member they can report the item and put up a question about the origin of the files. It does look like the ripped off list. http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nakamichi-Service-and-Instruction-Manuals-on-CD_W0QQitemZ 140056154730QQihZ004QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Donald - ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Nov 28 02:22:24 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:22:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Message-ID: I'm ambiguous. On the one hand, I don't like someone capilizing off of members' or Tomas' good will. The fact that someone else is paying for something they could get for free doesn't bother me as much. Do you have the robots file set up to not at least put the manuals into Google etc. (assuming that's what you want).-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Nov 28 04:35:38 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:35:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem with rev/ff Message-ID: > ??? I'm stumped here. It may be a problem with my English then. Fig > 5.5 in > the Service manual, part #14. This is the cam belt which seems to > me to be > the idler???? It must be my mistake but I can't seem to figure this > one. Part #14 in Fig 5.5 is indeed the cam belt (or control motor belt) > > It contacts the pulley on the reel motor shaft on one side, and > one of the > reel motors when the tape is in This is not what I was describing. The idler tire is a rubber ring (not shown separately) around the wheel that's part of the idler assembly, which is part number 08 in Fig 5.7. I think you should have been able to change the cam belt w/o taking out the transport, if it's like other classic machines (Kannan would know better). It's the idler tire that's hard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Tue Nov 28 07:41:21 2006 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:41:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] I posted earlier about Quantegy tape.. seems preffered tape is Maxell XLIIS? Message-ID: Hello, Just trying to get a handle on the available tape.. didn't know the Maxell XLIIS was still being manufacturered? Thanks, Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Nov 28 09:41:55 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:41:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] I posted earlier about Quantegy tape.. seems preffered tape is Maxell XLIIS? Message-ID: <85882C00-A897-45A2-8904-935D95F2539A@alumni.caltech.edu> I'm not sure it's as much preference as familiarity. Actually, I didn't think XLII-S were being made any more either, but they were popular in general. In the old days (when I was using only a 700II), I would have probably not used any of the -S tapes with the rising high ends. With a deck that auto-adjusts for it, it's a more acceptable solution. In those days I prefered Maxell UDXL-I (ferric) and TDK-MA (metal); my 700II was modded by Nak to use metal rather than chrome so no chromes. Nowdays I tend to prefer the Maxells (even plain old XLII) as I think of their shells as slightly better. Haven't had much experience with other things; just tried what worked before and w/o and auto-adjust deck, stuck with what worked. Nowdays due to market changes and having the auto-adjust, I do dabble more but others will have more experience with various different kinds of tape.-kby From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Nov 28 18:16:33 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:16:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300E in UK Message-ID: <518b7b10611280916h2f13e5f4wf662e37f0cc31502@mail.gmail.com> If it goes cheap enough and it's just an idler issue... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NAKAMICHI-DISCRETE-HEAD-CASSETTE-DECK-MODEL-BX-300E_W0QQitemZ320055156691QQihZ011QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320055156691 From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 28 21:44:48 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:44:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <5331.201.229.243.189.1164667651.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <5331.201.229.243.189.1164667651.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <456C9FC0.9040107@rcn.com> My on view hasn't changed since the posts pertaining to Wouter's manual. Removing the website will be like throwing the baby away with the wash water... I hope Tomas will continue to host the manuals. Removing them will not harm the thieves, but will definitely the bona fide Nakamichi aficionados. -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > Well Thomas... if you dive into the naktalk archives you´ll find some of > my email with this subject and find out the reason why i stopped scanning > manuals... some of the manuals on sale through your site came from my own > collection, i spend my time scanning them! > For this reason i started the on'demand way of sharing the manuals and > these days i offer ebay links on the website for those that don´t know the > way to them through naktalk. > > So if you want no frustration.. don´t offer them on your site because > someone will find them and sell them. > > Wouter > > >> Hi group. >> It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now >> selling them on a cd. >> >> Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 28 21:46:10 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:46:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <009c01c7127e$bd33b410$3fa699de@tec> References: <5331.201.229.243.189.1164667651.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <009c01c7127e$bd33b410$3fa699de@tec> Message-ID: <456CA012.7070405@rcn.com> How do you know that "It does look like the ripped off list"? It this true for all 39 manuals on the CD? -- Ron Donald Sangster wrote: > Here is a link to the person selling the CD. If someone on this network > is an ebay member they can report the item and put up a question about > the origin of the files. It does look like the ripped off list. > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nakamichi-Service-and-Instruction-Manuals-on-CD_W0QQitemZ140056154730QQihZ004QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > Donald > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" > To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > >> Well Thomas... if you dive into the naktalk archives you´ll find some of >> my email with this subject and find out the reason why i stopped scanning >> manuals... some of the manuals on sale through your site came from my own >> collection, i spend my time scanning them! >> For this reason i started the on'demand way of sharing the manuals and >> these days i offer ebay links on the website for those that don´t know >> the >> way to them through naktalk. >> >> So if you want no frustration.. don´t offer them on your site because >> someone will find them and sell them. >> >> Wouter >> >> >>> Hi group. >>> It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now >>> selling them on a cd. >>> >>> Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. >>> >>> With best regards >>> >>> Tomas Larsson >>> Sweden From tomas at tlec.se Tue Nov 28 22:09:40 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:09:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <456C9FC0.9040107@rcn.com> Message-ID: Of course I WILL NOT remove the site (unless I'm forced to), frankly I don't care if people is selling the manuals, however it's sad that un-knowing people has to pay for something that is for free. My first post was only intended to inform you all that, if you had any ideas of bying the stuff, you should know that it's the same manuals, so there is no point of paying for them. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:45 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > My on view hasn't changed since the posts pertaining to > Wouter's manual. Removing the website will be like throwing > the baby away with the wash water... I hope Tomas will > continue to host the manuals. Removing them will not harm the > thieves, but will definitely the bona fide Nakamichi aficionados. > > -- Ron > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Well Thomas... if you dive into the naktalk archives you´ll > find some > > of my email with this subject and find out the reason why i stopped > > scanning manuals... some of the manuals on sale through > your site came > > from my own collection, i spend my time scanning them! > > For this reason i started the on'demand way of sharing the > manuals and > > these days i offer ebay links on the website for those that > don´t know > > the way to them through naktalk. > > > > So if you want no frustration.. don´t offer them on your > site because > > someone will find them and sell them. > > > > Wouter > > > > > >> Hi group. > >> It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my > homepage and is > >> now selling them on a cd. > >> > >> Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > >> > >> With best regards > >> > >> Tomas Larsson > >> Sweden > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Nov 28 22:40:40 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:10:40 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaners .. any opinion ? References: <200611281102.kASB19aX028258@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002b01c71335$db553f60$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi all Been seeing SR Audio's tape cleaners and demagnetiser for a while now .. so i want to know your opinion about their head and pinch roller cleaners ... are they good ? http://cgi.ebay.com/STUDIO-GRADE-TAPE-HEAD-PINCH-ROLLER-CLEANER-NAKAMICHI_W0QQitemZ170055053731QQihZ007QQcategoryZ71574QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Let me know Best Soumi From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 28 22:36:25 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:36:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <5331.201.229.243.189.1164667651.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl > References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061128153625.008351c0@earthlink.net> So maybe we could set up 2 levels of Nak manuals. One fuzzy focus level and one sharp, with access granted by permission? I just think we have to let the issue go, unless our Nak servers decide the need $$ to offer their services. Naktalk will work just fine as a small community. How about this.... after contributing 10 interesting posts demonstrating a genuine lasting interest in Naktalk goals, the new member is then given access to our resources? All this could be low key and not specified to those that join. Our judge can be as arbitrary as he/she believes is appropriate. tom brucker At 11:47 PM 11/27/06 +0100, Wouter Heijke wrote: >Well Thomas... if you dive into the naktalk archives you´ll find some of >my email with this subject and find out the reason why i stopped scanning >manuals... some of the manuals on sale through your site came from my own >collection, i spend my time scanning them! >For this reason i started the on'demand way of sharing the manuals and >these days i offer ebay links on the website for those that don´t know the >way to them through naktalk. > >So if you want no frustration.. don´t offer them on your site because >someone will find them and sell them. > >Wouter > > >> Hi group. >> It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now >> selling them on a cd. >> >> Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From lenaw at flash.net Tue Nov 28 22:56:38 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:56:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061128153625.008351c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20061128215638.28733.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com> I think we should just let it be and forget about it. Let them continue to perform the illegal act. We just don't buy it. The more we try to prevent this from happening, the more confusion and frustration we are going to get. Regards, Mike Hi Tech wrote: So maybe we could set up 2 levels of Nak manuals. One fuzzy focus level and one sharp, with access granted by permission? I just think we have to let the issue go, unless our Nak servers decide the need $$ to offer their services. Naktalk will work just fine as a small community. How about this.... after contributing 10 interesting posts demonstrating a genuine lasting interest in Naktalk goals, the new member is then given access to our resources? All this could be low key and not specified to those that join. Our judge can be as arbitrary as he/she believes is appropriate. tom brucker At 11:47 PM 11/27/06 +0100, Wouter Heijke wrote: >Well Thomas... if you dive into the naktalk archives you´ll find some of >my email with this subject and find out the reason why i stopped scanning >manuals... some of the manuals on sale through your site came from my own >collection, i spend my time scanning them! >For this reason i started the on'demand way of sharing the manuals and >these days i offer ebay links on the website for those that don´t know the >way to them through naktalk. > >So if you want no frustration.. don´t offer them on your site because >someone will find them and sell them. > >Wouter > > >> Hi group. >> It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now >> selling them on a cd. >> >> Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From tomas at tlec.se Tue Nov 28 23:08:31 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:08:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061128153625.008351c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I intend to have it running the way it is as present, there is no money issue, because the hosting is very cheap 7 euros a month at servage with some 250 gig of space, and it serves my other pages as well, and I can deduct the cost from taxes, so it is virtually no cost at all. Th only thing that can force me to take them down is by legal action, like if Nakamichi decides that I'm a criminal publishing old manuals, the likehood that this will happen is virtually zero though. It is to much work to check every user, so it will remain completly open for anyone, even for these leechers trying to make money on it. EDIT: Cant understand why some replies goes to the list and some don't? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:36 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; tomas at tlec.se; Talk > about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > So maybe we could set up 2 levels of Nak manuals. One fuzzy > focus level and one sharp, with access granted by permission? > I just think we have to let the issue go, unless our Nak > servers decide the need $$ to offer their services. > Naktalk will work just fine as a small community. > How about this.... after contributing 10 interesting posts > demonstrating a genuine lasting interest in Naktalk goals, > the new member is then given > access to our resources? All this could be low key and not > specified to > those that join. Our judge can be as arbitrary as he/she > believes is appropriate. > > tom brucker > > At 11:47 PM 11/27/06 +0100, Wouter Heijke wrote: > >Well Thomas... if you dive into the naktalk archives you´ll > find some > >of my email with this subject and find out the reason why i stopped > >scanning manuals... some of the manuals on sale through your > site came > >from my own collection, i spend my time scanning them! > >For this reason i started the on'demand way of sharing the > manuals and > >these days i offer ebay links on the website for those that > don´t know > >the way to them through naktalk. > > > >So if you want no frustration.. don´t offer them on your > site because > >someone will find them and sell them. > > > >Wouter > > > > > >> Hi group. > >> It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my > homepage and is > >> now selling them on a cd. > >> > >> Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > >> > >> With best regards > >> > >> Tomas Larsson > >> Sweden > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========----------------------------------------------------- > ----====== > >=== > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > From ady at spamcop.net Wed Nov 29 01:01:14 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:01:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300E in UK In-Reply-To: <518b7b10611280916h2f13e5f4wf662e37f0cc31502@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b10611280916h2f13e5f4wf662e37f0cc31502@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <63BE55A4-1C52-4600-8663-D26DAC8EBB9E@spamcop.net> maybe.. but i bought a similar ebay 300E some time back and found it was more serious / problems with the reel motor which I think is quite common with these models... i ended up selling it for more than I paid.. I just was a lot more honest in the ad and posted a lot of detailed images... it could be a good buy but the seller isn't very descriptive... adrian On 28 Nov 2006, at 17:16, george valkov wrote: > If it goes cheap enough and it's just an idler issue... > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NAKAMICHI-DISCRETE-HEAD-CASSETTE-DECK-MODEL- > BX-300E_W0QQitemZ320055156691QQihZ011QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIt > em?hash=item320055156691 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 01:28:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:28:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Message-ID: <20061129002847.46082.qmail@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We represent the bulk of Nak users, and hence the buyers of such manuals. As long as we stay away from patronizing these people, they are not going to have too much of an impact. Wouter: Can we have something like a sticky on the forum? Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: Tomas Larsson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:09:40 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals Of course I WILL NOT remove the site (unless I'm forced to), frankly I don't care if people is selling the manuals, however it's sad that un-knowing people has to pay for something that is for free. My first post was only intended to inform you all that, if you had any ideas of bying the stuff, you should know that it's the same manuals, so there is no point of paying for them. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:45 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > > My on view hasn't changed since the posts pertaining to > Wouter's manual. Removing the website will be like throwing > the baby away with the wash water... I hope Tomas will > continue to host the manuals. Removing them will not harm the > thieves, but will definitely the bona fide Nakamichi aficionados. > > -- Ron > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Well Thomas... if you dive into the naktalk archives you´ll > find some > > of my email with this subject and find out the reason why i stopped > > scanning manuals... some of the manuals on sale through > your site came > > from my own collection, i spend my time scanning them! > > For this reason i started the on'demand way of sharing the > manuals and > > these days i offer ebay links on the website for those that > don´t know > > the way to them through naktalk. > > > > So if you want no frustration.. don´t offer them on your > site because > > someone will find them and sell them. > > > > Wouter > > > > > >> Hi group. > >> It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my > homepage and is > >> now selling them on a cd. > >> > >> Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. > >> > >> With best regards > >> > >> Tomas Larsson > >> Sweden > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Wed Nov 29 01:58:35 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:58:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX300E in UK References: <518b7b10611280916h2f13e5f4wf662e37f0cc31502@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <11de01c71351$7f9776e0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> UK only....... > If it goes cheap enough and it's just an idler issue... > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Nov 29 02:19:16 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:19:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300E in UK In-Reply-To: <11de01c71351$7f9776e0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: If anyone overseas wants to bid for it they can have it delivered to me (in the UK) and I'll send it on for them. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Orr Sent: 29 November 2006 00:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300E in UK UK only....... > If it goes cheap enough and it's just an idler issue... > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Wed Nov 29 02:31:37 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:31:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak manuals In-Reply-To: <200611290030.kAT0Tavj010265@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I can't see a link to Tomas site for free manual downloads on the naks.com site but I can see a list of manuals and brochures for sale on eBay including Nak manuals! Wouter, can you put a link to Tomas' site on the front page before the ebay list? E.g. Sites for free downloads of Nakamichi manuals and brochures ­ There is another site with free manuals but I can't find it at the moment. David > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:44:48 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <456C9FC0.9040107 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > My on view hasn't changed since the posts pertaining to > Wouter's manual. Removing the website will be like throwing > the baby away with the wash water... I hope Tomas will > continue to host the manuals. Removing them will not harm > the thieves, but will definitely the bona fide Nakamichi > aficionados. > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:28:47 -0800 (PST) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <20061129002847.46082.qmail at web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We represent the bulk of Nak users, and hence the buyers of such manuals. As > long as we stay away from patronizing these people, they are not going to have > too much of an impact. > > Wouter: Can we have something like a sticky on the forum? > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Tomas Larsson > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:09:40 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > > Of course I WILL NOT remove the site (unless I'm forced to), frankly I don't > care if people is selling the manuals, however it's sad that un-knowing > people has to pay for something that is for free. > > My first post was only intended to inform you all that, if you had any ideas > of bying the stuff, you should know > that it's the same manuals, so there is no point of paying for them. > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> > From kjbleus at charter.net Wed Nov 29 04:29:45 2006 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:29:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 45, Issue 70 References: <200611290029.kAT0Tavh010265@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001501c71366$9e50b5f0$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> Of course, I'm pissed also. I donated the ZX-9 and 1000ZXL manuals. As with Wouter in the past, I recommend that a password protect public accessing the naks.mine website for downloads be incorporated, perhaps one step further could be password protect the documents themselves (password being something startling associating with the original source of the docs. Hidden watermaking the docs is a nice idea, but for what use other than calling the carpet on the pirating seller, without ability to prosecute. Such is life in the modern cyberspace world of info sharing, etc. Carry on, Tomas, manage the naks.mine assets as best as you are able, for general reference use by Nakamichi cassette deck enthusiasts. Also, those who cannot donate documents should assist Tomas with a monetary donation to keep the naks.mine server facility in tip-top and security-wise shape, protecting our community's collective assets. Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 45, Issue 70 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:44:48 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <456C9FC0.9040107 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > My on view hasn't changed since the posts pertaining to > Wouter's manual. Removing the website will be like throwing > the baby away with the wash water... I hope Tomas will > continue to host the manuals. Removing them will not harm > the thieves, but will definitely the bona fide Nakamichi > aficionados. > > -- Ron > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: >> Well Thomas... if you dive into the naktalk archives you´ll find some of >> my email with this subject and find out the reason why i stopped scanning >> manuals... some of the manuals on sale through your site came from my own >> collection, i spend my time scanning them! >> For this reason i started the on'demand way of sharing the manuals and >> these days i offer ebay links on the website for those that don´t know >> the >> way to them through naktalk. >> >> So if you want no frustration.. don´t offer them on your site because >> someone will find them and sell them. >> >> Wouter >> >> >>> Hi group. >>> It seems that someone has ripped the manuals from my homepage and is now >>> selling them on a cd. >>> >>> Don't buy it, remeber they are free for download. >>> >>> With best regards >>> >>> Tomas Larsson >>> Sweden > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 45, Issue 70 > *************************************** > From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Wed Nov 29 05:42:32 2006 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:42:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Is replacing idler on a 505 a big job? Message-ID: I understand this is much more complex than decks with the Sankyo mechanisms but help me understand the following: --Must you remove the auto reverse mechanism to do the job? --Should this be done by a Nak technician or can any one with electronics experience do it? I requested instructions on adjusting the playback azimuth on a ZX-9 and I accidentally deleted it. So if anyone can guide me I would appreciate it. Thanks to all for their responses. Regards boogie _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed Nov 29 06:37:20 2006 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:07:20 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naks.mine.nu manuals References: <200611281102.kASB19aX028258@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000b01c71378$71cbbf90$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Personally i dont think its much of an issue about a person selling the manuals. Ive bought a MR2 manual from vintage manuals.com and donated as well. The only thing i see is that the person is making the manuals available on a CD and making a small amount of money from it for his time, CDR, ebay listing and effort. The other point is that the manuals could come in handy to people who may not have a fast enough Internet connection or just want it all in one tidy location. In any case ... other than Nakkers, nobody else would find much use of it ... so it still remains as our asset. Btw, please dont forget that http://www.soumitrab.com/Naks/ has a forum with a list and sticky facility ... please make use of it too. Best Soumi From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Wed Nov 29 09:14:55 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:14:55 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals References: <200611290030.kAT0Tavj010265@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003801c7138e$74aa4c70$a3d81bca@apac.ad.ici.com> Thomas, Glad to hear you will keep the manuals on your site.. I have made much use of them myself to fill in blanks in my own collection, thanks. (Also thanks to those members that have provided them) There is a a way you can 'hassle' scammers like this, if you can be bothered.. this will seem petty too..but effective ..and I was pretty 'hacked off' once I had discovered I had been 'duped'!! One way I have gained a small level of satisfaction against an ebay scammer who fleeced me of a few bucks sometime ago ( bought a deck..never arrived despite all the assurances in the world it had been posted, and chanced on the same deck being resold by the same vendor about 6 months later.. (the mongrel had good feedback ratings too). Ebay as you all surmise didn't want to know despite incontraverable evidence). All I did was keep asking questions about why 'they' were still trying to sell my tape deck.. each time it forced the vendor to pull the auction .. after about three attempts he gave up trying to sell this deck! The same could be done in this case.. ask the vendor where he sourced them from, and point out where these can be obtained 'gratis' from .. anybody looking at the 'auction' should be able to read the post. I should also state that despite this event and one other, I have been pleased with my purchases off ebay, and have scored some veritable bargains, so gains exceed losses by a margin. Caveat emptor etc, etc... Thanks to Ron and Mikkel for the tips on Nak storage/preservation.. mine have now gone into hibernation for 3-6months and I won't get them back until we settle in Sydney next year :o( it will be interesting to see how they fare. My main problem now is chronic lack of nak syndrome.. and the associated withdrawl symptoms. :o) regards to all Martin PS: on the tape front, regarding Quantegy cassette tapes: I have a small supply, and use 472's, and 682's without any problem. In fact getting them, or any decent tape for that matter in this part of the world, is the main problem. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 29 17:09:17 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:09:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Is replacing idler on a 505 a big job? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061129100917.007a2600@earthlink.net> boogie, You must not only remove the transport, but you have to undo 3 layers of mechanism, unscrew switches, keep track of different length screws, remove a PIA idler arm clippy-doodle, and then reassemble. I am a pro and I do not like doing the job at all! tom brucker At 11:42 PM 11/28/06 -0500, boogie man wrote: > >I understand this is much more complex than decks with the Sankyo mechanisms but help >me understand the following: > >--Must you remove the auto reverse mechanism to do the job? >--Should this be done by a Nak technician or can any one with electronics >experience do it? > >I requested instructions on adjusting the playback azimuth on a ZX-9 and >I accidentally deleted it. So if anyone can guide me I would appreciate it. > >Thanks to all for their responses. > >Regards >boogie >_________________________________________________________________ >Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. >http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-49 11fb2b2e6d >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 17:42:41 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:42:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Is replacing idler on a 505 a big job? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061129100917.007a2600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <721397.82247.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please note that the head alignment work need to be re-done as well- because the transport is disassembled in to two pieces before a new idler assembly can be placed. I will not advice this work to any new comer to Nakamichi work. It is not just disassembling but undertanding Nak transport. However once replaced - the transport will work for next decade ! I really did not understand why Nak designers have not thought about simpler arrangement so that it can be easily replaced. All rubber parts need replacement compared to many metal parts and this fact is known to all consumer electronic manufacturers well. Head alignment requires all tools ( original Nak stuff) Kannan Hi Tech wrote: boogie, You must not only remove the transport, but you have to undo 3 layers of mechanism, unscrew switches, keep track of different length screws, remove a PIA idler arm clippy-doodle, and then reassemble. I am a pro and I do not like doing the job at all! tom brucker At 11:42 PM 11/28/06 -0500, boogie man wrote: > >I understand this is much more complex than decks with the Sankyo mechanisms but help >me understand the following: > >--Must you remove the auto reverse mechanism to do the job? >--Should this be done by a Nak technician or can any one with electronics >experience do it? > >I requested instructions on adjusting the playback azimuth on a ZX-9 and >I accidentally deleted it. So if anyone can guide me I would appreciate it. > >Thanks to all for their responses. > >Regards >boogie >_________________________________________________________________ >Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. >http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-49 11fb2b2e6d >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dam509 at zonnet.nl Wed Nov 29 18:25:52 2006 From: dam509 at zonnet.nl (Rudy Dam) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:25:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaners .. any opinion ? In-Reply-To: <002b01c71335$db553f60$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <20061129172550.EEED91C00087@mwinf6103.orange.nl> Hello, I use them and think they are good does any one has an other opinion? Rudy Dam -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens soumitra at soumitrab.com Verzonden: dinsdag 28 november 2006 22:41 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] Cleaners .. any opinion ? Hi all Been seeing SR Audio's tape cleaners and demagnetiser for a while now .. so i want to know your opinion about their head and pinch roller cleaners ... are they good ? http://cgi.ebay.com/STUDIO-GRADE-TAPE-HEAD-PINCH-ROLLER-CLEANER-NAKAMICHI_W0 QQitemZ170055053731QQihZ007QQcategoryZ71574QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Let me know Best Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From flifton at mac.com Wed Nov 29 21:19:53 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:19:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak withdrawal In-Reply-To: <200611291100.kATB04dI017291@zxe.naks.com> References: <200611291100.kATB04dI017291@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Nak withdrawal is a serious condition. Symptoms include harsh ringing in the ears, lack of low end, diminished clarity and excessive rumbling. I suggest you treat it with a nice portable Nak 250 or 350, applied liberally every evening. cheers, Dr. Lifton On Nov 29, 2006, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Martin Short > Date: November 29, 2006 12:14:55 AM PST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.mine.nu manuals > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Thomas, > > Glad to hear you will keep the manuals on your site.. I have made > much use of them myself to fill in blanks in my own collection, > thanks. (Also thanks to those members that have provided them) > > There is a a way you can 'hassle' scammers like this, if you can be > bothered.. this will seem petty too..but effective ..and I was > pretty 'hacked off' once I had discovered I had been 'duped'!! > One way I have gained a small level of satisfaction against an ebay > scammer who fleeced me of a few bucks sometime ago ( bought a > deck..never arrived despite all the assurances in the world it had > been posted, and chanced on the same deck being resold by the same > vendor about 6 months later.. (the mongrel had good feedback > ratings too). Ebay as you all surmise didn't want to know despite > incontraverable evidence). All I did was keep asking questions > about why 'they' were still trying to sell my tape deck.. each time > it forced the vendor to pull the auction .. after about three > attempts he gave up trying to sell this deck! > > The same could be done in this case.. ask the vendor where he > sourced them from, and point out where these can be obtained > 'gratis' from .. anybody looking at the 'auction' should be able to > read the post. > > I should also state that despite this event and one other, I have > been pleased with my purchases off ebay, and have scored some > veritable bargains, so gains exceed losses by a margin. Caveat > emptor etc, etc... > > > Thanks to Ron and Mikkel for the tips on Nak storage/preservation.. > mine have now gone into hibernation for 3-6months and I won't get > them back until we settle in Sydney next year :o( it will be > interesting to see how they fare. My main problem now is chronic > lack of nak syndrome.. and the associated withdrawl symptoms. :o) > > regards to all > > Martin > > PS: on the tape front, regarding Quantegy cassette tapes: I have a > small supply, and use 472's, and 682's without any problem. In fact > getting them, or any decent tape for that matter in this part of > the world, is the main problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ady at spamcop.net Wed Nov 29 22:53:53 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (adrian finn) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:53:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] thanks to luis's calibration tapes.... Message-ID: <1700C4CC-3865-4A5A-8BED-F7FA6CEA1807@spamcop.net> hi all.. just wanted to put out a public thank you to luis for his calibration tapes.. i got a quick and excellent service from him with a bit of technical support too! My Nak collection has been slowly growing, I now have an orange cap. sickly 680, a 480, a dead 582 and a 682ZX i've won tonight on eBay with a broken eject lever! I used the calibration tapes on my 480 which was going to sit in for my 680 while I tried to replace all the orange caps... I managed to go through about 60% of the service manual's electrical adjustments so far... I'm going to do the last ones when I get my new cam motor belt... Even though I'm quite new to this and don't have much electronics experience I'm really pleased and surprised by the results I've obtained so far.. My 480 sounds like a different machine, not as good as my 680 but really enjoyable.. I've been listening to tapes all day on it.. I've actually started to quite like the funny way the transport keys lock down.. I know without all the transport gauges and some of the more specialised test gear I'll never be 100% sure of getting all the calibration correct but I'd definitely recommend these tapes for anyone with a few DIY skills and an interest in getting their Nak's to sound as good as they can.. Thanks again to Luis and this list! adrian From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Wed Nov 29 23:18:08 2006 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:18:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Is replacing idler on a 505 a big job? Message-ID: Thanks to both Tom and Kannan. I would never attempt this on my own since I am fully aware of my limitations. But interestingly I have had techs tell me they can do it for me and its easy. I think they just want my hard earned cash. Since I live in Canada, I have to find an experienced Nak tech for the job. Thanks again, boogie ________________________________ > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:42:41 -0800 > From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is replacing idler on a 505 a big job? > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Please note that the head alignment work need to be re-done as well- because the transport is disassembled in to two pieces before a new idler assembly can be placed. I will not advice this work to any new comer to Nakamichi work. It is not just disassembling but undertanding Nak transport. However once replaced - the transport will work for next decade ! > I really did not understand why Nak designers have not thought about simpler arrangement so that it can be easily replaced. All rubber parts need replacement compared to many metal parts and this fact is known to all consumer electronic manufacturers well. > Head alignment requires all tools ( original Nak stuff) > Kannan > Hi Tech wrote: > boogie, > You must not only remove the transport, but you have to undo 3 layers of > mechanism, unscrew switches, keep track of different length screws, remove > a PIA idler arm clippy-doodle, and then reassemble. > I am a pro and I do not like doing the job at all! > tom brucker > At 11:42 PM 11/28/06 -0500, boogie man wrote: > > > >I understand this is much more complex than decks with the Sankyo > mechanisms but help > >me understand the following: > > > >--Must you remove the auto reverse mechanism to do the job? > >--Should this be done by a Nak technician or can any one with electronics > >experience do it? > > > >I requested instructions on adjusting the playback azimuth on a ZX-9 and > >I accidentally deleted it. So if anyone can guide me I would appreciate it. > > > >Thanks to all for their responses. > > > >Regards > >boogie > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. > >http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-49 > 11fb2b2e6d > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ________________________________ > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 30 00:37:04 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:37:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Is replacing idler on a 505 a big job? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061129173704.0083b6a0@earthlink.net> I believe those techs think you have a BX1 Sankyo transport. That is an easy job. There are many Canadians on AudioKarma.org. Why not search there for referrals? tom brucker At 05:18 PM 11/29/06 -0500, boogie man wrote: > >Thanks to both Tom and Kannan. > >I would never attempt this on my own since I am fully >aware of my limitations. But interestingly I have had techs tell me they >can do it for me and its easy. I think they just want my hard earned cash. > >Since I live in Canada, I have to find an experienced Nak tech for the job. > >Thanks again, >boogie > > > > >________________________________ >> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:42:41 -0800 >> From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is replacing idler on a 505 a big job? >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Please note that the head alignment work need to be re-done as well- because the transport is disassembled in to two pieces before a new idler assembly can be placed. I will not advice this work to any new comer to Nakamichi work. It is not just disassembling but undertanding Nak transport. However once replaced - the transport will work for next decade ! >> I really did not understand why Nak designers have not thought about simpler arrangement so that it can be easily replaced. All rubber parts need replacement compared to many metal parts and this fact is known to all consumer electronic manufacturers well. >> Head alignment requires all tools ( original Nak stuff) >> Kannan >> Hi Tech wrote: >> boogie, >> You must not only remove the transport, but you have to undo 3 layers of >> mechanism, unscrew switches, keep track of different length screws, remove >> a PIA idler arm clippy-doodle, and then reassemble. >> I am a pro and I do not like doing the job at all! >> tom brucker >> At 11:42 PM 11/28/06 -0500, boogie man wrote: >> > >> >I understand this is much more complex than decks with the Sankyo >> mechanisms but help >> >me understand the following: >> > >> >--Must you remove the auto reverse mechanism to do the job? >> >--Should this be done by a Nak technician or can any one with electronics >> >experience do it? >> > >> >I requested instructions on adjusting the playback azimuth on a ZX-9 and >> >I accidentally deleted it. So if anyone can guide me I would appreciate it. >> > >> >Thanks to all for their responses. >> > >> >Regards >> >boogie >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. >> >http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-49 >> 11fb2b2e6d >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ________________________________ >> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. >http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-49 11fb2b2e6d >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Nov 30 02:08:42 2006 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:08:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Is replacing idler on a 505 a big job? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061129173704.0083b6a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Isn't our Steve Ruddick a Nak tech based in Canada? Where are you, Steve? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 29 November 2006 23:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Is replacing idler on a 505 a big job? I believe those techs think you have a BX1 Sankyo transport. That is an easy job. There are many Canadians on AudioKarma.org. Why not search there for referrals? tom brucker At 05:18 PM 11/29/06 -0500, boogie man wrote: > >Thanks to both Tom and Kannan. > >I would never attempt this on my own since I am fully >aware of my limitations. But interestingly I have had techs tell me they >can do it for me and its easy. I think they just want my hard earned cash. > >Since I live in Canada, I have to find an experienced Nak tech for the job. > >Thanks again, >boogie > > > > >________________________________ >> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:42:41 -0800 >> From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is replacing idler on a 505 a big job? >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Please note that the head alignment work need to be re-done as well- because the transport is disassembled in to two pieces before a new idler assembly can be placed. I will not advice this work to any new comer to Nakamichi work. It is not just disassembling but undertanding Nak transport. However once replaced - the transport will work for next decade ! >> I really did not understand why Nak designers have not thought about simpler arrangement so that it can be easily replaced. All rubber parts need replacement compared to many metal parts and this fact is known to all consumer electronic manufacturers well. >> Head alignment requires all tools ( original Nak stuff) >> Kannan >> Hi Tech wrote: >> boogie, >> You must not only remove the transport, but you have to undo 3 layers of >> mechanism, unscrew switches, keep track of different length screws, remove >> a PIA idler arm clippy-doodle, and then reassemble. >> I am a pro and I do not like doing the job at all! >> tom brucker >> At 11:42 PM 11/28/06 -0500, boogie man wrote: >> > >> >I understand this is much more complex than decks with the Sankyo >> mechanisms but help >> >me understand the following: >> > >> >--Must you remove the auto reverse mechanism to do the job? >> >--Should this be done by a Nak technician or can any one with electronics >> >experience do it? >> > >> >I requested instructions on adjusting the playback azimuth on a ZX-9 and >> >I accidentally deleted it. So if anyone can guide me I would appreciate it. >> > >> >Thanks to all for their responses. >> > >> >Regards >> >boogie >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. >> >http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-49 >> 11fb2b2e6d >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ________________________________ >> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. >http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-49 11fb2b2e6d >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Nov 30 07:28:14 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:28:14 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Nak withdrawal Message-ID: <001a01c71448$b7a4f330$79d81bca@apac.ad.ici.com> Thanks Fred!! 250's and 350's are hard to find in NZ, especially in working condition. I know I could get my hands on a 550.. but suspect it is a bit sad as it hasn't been used in a long time and lacks the mains adaptor. I'll just have to tough it for a few months!. 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Charles From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Nov 30 10:44:43 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:44:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 input Message-ID: Hi Charles, First try to move ALL the knobs forward & back at least 20 times...maybe due a bad/dirt contact, one of the inputs stopped to work...Also check if the interconnect is hooked firmly/well...in your preamp 7 also in your deck...can be that you or your wife when "Clean" all your stereo gear...move or disconnect the cable by mistake! Check first and if continue NO to work...it's more seriously...maybe another Nak fan can help you more specifically. Good luck; PeaceALEX! > From: chasw at tampabay.rr.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:34:37 -0500> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 input> > The left channel input of my CR-7 has stopped working. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Nov 30 11:28:30 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:28:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 input In-Reply-To: <000d01c71462$c135af60$64c8a8c0@wilson1> References: <000d01c71462$c135af60$64c8a8c0@wilson1> Message-ID: <456EB24E.3080803@peromarta.org> Sound on hearphones? Signal on meters? Could you be a little more specific? I had a similar problem once: http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cr7_ph_wiring.html rgds, LP. Charles Wilson escribió: > The left channel input of my CR-7 has stopped working. What's happened? > Charles > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Thu Nov 30 11:32:36 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:32:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 input In-Reply-To: <456EB24E.3080803@peromarta.org> References: <000d01c71462$c135af60$64c8a8c0@wilson1> <456EB24E.3080803@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <456EB344.1090806@peromarta.org> Sorry, I had an output problem, so probably nothing to do with it. rgds, LP. Luis Peromarta escribió: > Sound on hearphones? > > Signal on meters? > > Could you be a little more specific? > > I had a similar problem once: > > http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cr7_ph_wiring.html > > rgds, LP. > > > Charles Wilson escribió: >> The left channel input of my CR-7 has stopped working. What's happened? >> Charles >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From chasw at tampabay.rr.com Thu Nov 30 16:42:05 2006 From: chasw at tampabay.rr.com (Charles Wilson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:42:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 input References: <000d01c71462$c135af60$64c8a8c0@wilson1> <456EB24E.3080803@peromarta.org> <456EB344.1090806@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <000601c71496$1694d110$64c8a8c0@wilson1> My CR-5 works ok when the same cables from the same preamp outputs are transferred from the CR-7 to it. Could the left input socket of the CR-7 be the trouble? Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 input > Sorry, I had an output problem, so probably nothing to do with it. > > rgds, LP. > > Luis Peromarta escribió: >> Sound on hearphones? >> >> Signal on meters? >> >> Could you be a little more specific? >> >> I had a similar problem once: >> >> http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cr7_ph_wiring.html >> >> rgds, LP. >> >> >> Charles Wilson escribió: >>> The left channel input of my CR-7 has stopped working. What's happened? >>> Charles >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 17:07:21 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:07:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 input In-Reply-To: <000601c71496$1694d110$64c8a8c0@wilson1> References: <000d01c71462$c135af60$64c8a8c0@wilson1> <456EB24E.3080803@peromarta.org> <456EB344.1090806@peromarta.org> <000601c71496$1694d110$64c8a8c0@wilson1> Message-ID: <6bddc1110611300807m3ae55b85t31ebf6f019a9507a@mail.gmail.com> I had issues with audio dropouts that I traced to an input jack on my old preamp, I just resoldered a little bit of the wiring that had come loose and cleaned the insides of the jacks real good. -Tim On 11/30/06, Charles Wilson wrote: > > > My CR-5 works ok when the same cables from the same preamp outputs are > transferred from the CR-7 to it. Could the left input socket of the CR-7 > be the trouble? > Charles > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Peromarta" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 input > > > > Sorry, I had an output problem, so probably nothing to do with it. > > > > rgds, LP. > > > > Luis Peromarta escribió: > >> Sound on hearphones? > >> > >> Signal on meters? > >> > >> Could you be a little more specific? > >> > >> I had a similar problem once: > >> > >> http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cr7_ph_wiring.html > >> > >> rgds, LP. > >> > >> > >> Charles Wilson escribió: > >>> The left channel input of my CR-7 has stopped working. What's > happened? > >>> Charles > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Nov 30 17:36:14 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:36:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 input In-Reply-To: <000601c71496$1694d110$64c8a8c0@wilson1> References: <000d01c71462$c135af60$64c8a8c0@wilson1> <456EB24E.3080803@peromarta.org> <456EB344.1090806@peromarta.org> <000601c71496$1694d110$64c8a8c0@wilson1> Message-ID: <456F087E.2050104@peromarta.org> Yes, it certaily could be. Charles Wilson escribió: > > My CR-5 works ok when the same cables from the same preamp outputs are > transferred from the CR-7 to it. Could the left input socket of the > CR-7 be the trouble? > Charles > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 30 22:02:38 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:02:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 input In-Reply-To: <456F087E.2050104@peromarta.org> References: <000d01c71462$c135af60$64c8a8c0@wilson1> <456EB24E.3080803@peromarta.org> <456EB344.1090806@peromarta.org> <000601c71496$1694d110$64c8a8c0@wilson1> <456F087E.2050104@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <456F46EE.5010204@rcn.com> Among another 100 things... -- Ron Luis Peromarta wrote: > Yes, it certaily could be. > > Charles Wilson escribió: >> >> My CR-5 works ok when the same cables from the same preamp outputs >> are transferred from the CR-7 to it. Could the left input socket of >> the CR-7 be the trouble? >> Charles >> From ady at spamcop.net Thu Nov 30 22:17:26 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (adrian finn) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:17:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] my new 582 - pinch roller shaft problem / tape guide question Message-ID: <18968184-6859-456E-8B66-BEBF34CF96FD@spamcop.net> hello again i've just (cheaply) added another nak to my collection.. it seems to have had a good service history with a B&W UK big service in 1989 when they replaced all belts, pinch rollers and more.. The main problem it seems to have at the moment is the same thing I had on my 680, namely the left hand pinch roller doesn't move when the transport goes into play.. I'm going to try to fix it with careful use of IPA.. but with my 680 I had to take it off as it was stuck solid.. it looked like the reaction between dissimilar metals had fused them together.. With my 680 It all went back ok but I was not able to check the guide setting accurately.. So far it's been ok and hasn't chewed any tapes.. If I need to remove the left pinch roller shaft assembly on my 582, what's the best way to ensure I don't mess up the alignment too much? thanks adrian g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2006\2006-October.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From yregelman at gmail.com Sun Oct 1 04:56:55 2006 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:56:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] classic transport capstan belt. In-Reply-To: <0a2701c6e42c$9df08f40$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <3beaa6a90609211752q49b4521dv2ee2acdd30b37936@mail.gmail.com> <0a2701c6e42c$9df08f40$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <3beaa6a90609301956t65021d0ah8b46d17181dae895@mail.gmail.com> Hi Per, Here is what I've done with some success, to restore my 680zx belt: I cleaned the belt with isopropyl alcohol, then I soaked it in Silicone Lubricant overnight. I used one of those spray types you buy in an auto-parts store: Pyroil Multi-Purpose Silicone Lubricant. Silicone has rejuvenating effect on rubber and the spray carrier allows it to penetrate deep into the belt. The spray evaporates pretty fast, so you have to place the belt in an airtight jar to soak overnight. The belt will expand noticeably from soaking, but don't worry, you have wipe it clean and hang it and let it dry for a couple of days and it will shrink back. Afterwards, I found I had to clean it a couple of times with Rubber Renue from McChemicals to make it stickier. I picked that up in a local electronics parts store, but isopropyl alcohol may work as well. Before I went through this, my belt used to jump off the motor pulley and had a big bump permanently imprinted from sitting idle for a long time. It does not jump off anymore and the bump is gone, but the rubber is a little different where the bump used to be, so it is definitely not as good as new. So if you are about to toss the belt anyway, give this a try, but I would only use it as a last resort. Let me know how that works for you. Yuri On 9/29/06, Per wrote: > > Hi Yuri, > > Restoring the original belts sounds like a > very interesting project to me. Please keep > us posted on your progress... > > Best Regards, > > Per > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Yuri Regelman > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:52 AM > Subject: [naktalk] classic transport capstan belt. > > > I have a 680zx on my hands with a worn out belt: jumps off the motor > pulley and has a permanent bump in one spot from sitting > stationary for ages... > Well, I searched high and low for replacement, as many of you know a > futile effort. FRM9.2 is garbage.. FRW9.6 looked promising: > precision molded and with dimensions almost identical to the original... > but wow & flutter are still there and very audible.. ESL > stopped selling the original replacement, until they replenish their > supply.. > Anyway, I felt I had nothing to lose and I tried restoring the original > belt. What I tried so far looks pretty promising. I'm glad > I went through my garbage and took that belt out just before I was about > to throw it out. I figured I'd send an early warning to > you guys, Hold On to the original belts!! I don't want to raise false > hopes, and I'd like to experiment some more and make sure the > method really worked before I post it. I'd only recommend it as a last > resort, but I see that this problem does not have a good > solution now and this might be better than settling for a bad replacement. > > Y > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also will be checking the IC 301 voltage pins per Bala email for zero offset voltage at the pins in question. LASTLY! WISH ME LUCK!!:) WISH I HAD THE SAME LUCK AS THIS NAKKER WITH HIS 700 ZXL THAT HE SAYS WORKS WELL AFTER WIGGING SOME WIRES FROM A CONNECTOR!! WISH THIS WAS TRUE IN MY CASE ALSO!!!:) MANY THANKS! ALI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sun Oct 1 13:00:50 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:00:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 581 anomaly Message-ID: Tom Thanks for your advice. I will try it after I return from a week away in the Torres Strait islands. David >Message: 10 >Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:48:18 -0500 >From: Hi Tech >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 record setting anomaly >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060930154818.00823810 at earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >If you have access to an oscillator, record 6kHz at -5vu on SX tape. Monitor playback, and sweep the bias controls slowly, setting the bias on the maximum output level. Set to 400Hz and adjust record level. Set to -20vu and alternate between 400Hz and 15kHz and set bias so 15 k and 400 are the same level. Bias pots should turn the SAME direction. Reset the rec level cal at 0vu. > This method finds what is called the peak bias level. nakamichis are in a very rare group that record bias is slightly over peak. Most cheap decks are underbiased. When you have both channels at peak, you are very close. Your deck presently has one channel overbiased, and one underbiased. If you have no oscillator, set both record cal to midpoint, and both bias pots to midpoint. Follow the cal procedure, beginning with bias to match 15k to 400, and finishing with rec. cal, and turn the bias pots the same direction until you get really close to the balanced condition. >tom brucker From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 1 16:35:49 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 07:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL strange behaviour and solved WISH I HAD THE SAME LUCK:) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061001143549.64390.qmail@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali, You should be trying the voltage checks first. They are bound to be far off adjustment unless your deck has been recently serviced. The MP caps can be had from EVOX/RIFA. Take time and patience to work on this machine. When its been carefully done, it will be provide you with faultless performance. Best Regards Bala Ganesh BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: HI Everyone! Just went down to the local electronic store, I have armed myself with a can of component freeze compound as per kby recommendation and brought the cap mylar type for the moment in case the component freeezing trick does not work! If changing the orange caps with the mylar ones( these are going to be there temporarily and just to trouble shoot to find out the orange caps in the playback PCB with Bala, LP and kby have hinted might be the cause) if these caps are indeed a problem they will then be permanently replaced with the metalized pp caps from Digikey , they dont have some of the exact caps, does anyone know of any other company on the interent that have a good selection of metalized pp caps?! Also will be checking the IC 301 voltage pins per Bala email for zero offset voltage at the pins in question. LASTLY! WISH ME LUCK!!:) WISH I HAD THE SAME LUCK AS THIS NAKKER WITH HIS 700 ZXL THAT HE SAYS WORKS WELL AFTER WIGGING SOME WIRES FROM A CONNECTOR!! WISH THIS WAS TRUE IN MY CASE ALSO!!!:) MANY THANKS! ALI ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ylombard at voila.fr Sun Oct 1 16:45:46 2006 From: ylombard at voila.fr (ylombard at voila.fr) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:45:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 Message-ID: <32394153.1159713946114.JavaMail.www@wwinf4004> Tomas, I bought a Nak 600 2 years ago just to complement a System One rack - kind of collector. I was lucky and received a perfectly working deck in good cosmetic condition. I'm now playing music from that deck and really enjoying the quality. It doesn't reach the qualty of my 670 ZX deck, but still remarkable. So if you can, buy one! > Message du 30/09/06 à 12h57 > De : "Tomas Larsson" > A : naktalk at naks.com > Copie à : > Objet : [naktalk] Nak 600 > > Is a Nak 600 of any interest, might aquire one, just for fun. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sun Oct 1 17:34:39 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:34:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] classic transport capstan belt. References: <3beaa6a90609211752q49b4521dv2ee2acdd30b37936@mail.gmail.com><0a2701c6e42c$9df08f40$b207010a@hurtignok> <3beaa6a90609301956t65021d0ah8b46d17181dae895@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004801c6e56f$1d1f29f0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Yuri, THANKS A LOT for your thorough advice on restoring the classic transport capstan belt. Sounds VERY interesting and it will now be studied and tried out of whether I buy a new belt or not. Others might find your hints very useful too, and with more experimenting on the same project might perfect the restoring - if possible. THANKS again. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: Yuri Regelman To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] classic transport capstan belt. Hi Per, Here is what I've done with some success, to restore my 680zx belt: I cleaned the belt with isopropyl alcohol, then I soaked it in Silicone Lubricant overnight. I used one of those spray types you buy in an auto-parts store: Pyroil Multi-Purpose Silicone Lubricant. Silicone has rejuvenating effect on rubber and the spray carrier allows it to penetrate deep into the belt. The spray evaporates pretty fast, so you have to place the belt in an airtight jar to soak overnight. The belt will expand noticeably from soaking, but don't worry, you have wipe it clean and hang it and let it dry for a couple of days and it will shrink back. Afterwards, I found I had to clean it a couple of times with Rubber Renue from McChemicals to make it stickier. I picked that up in a local electronics parts store, but isopropyl alcohol may work as well. Before I went through this, my belt used to jump off the motor pulley and had a big bump permanently imprinted from sitting idle for a long time. It does not jump off anymore and the bump is gone, but the rubber is a little different where the bump used to be, so it is definitely not as good as new. So if you are about to toss the belt anyway, give this a try, but I would only use it as a last resort. Let me know how that works for you. Yuri From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 1 20:12:54 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 11:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] input distortion In-Reply-To: <20061001143549.64390.qmail@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061001181254.84682.qmail@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, I have an MR1 that appears to have an input distortion problem. Playback is fine. The right channel is louder than the left and distorted. I have given it a second input source with the same results. Lower input levels around -10 and -8db is not severely distorted but 0db and up is terrible. Sounds like a cap to me but ??? Can anyone save me some troubleshooting time (if I can figure it out!). I have a BX300 service manual not an MR1. Will this manual work? I have Monday off to work on it. Thanks in advance. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From madhurifan at yahoo.com Mon Oct 2 10:18:33 2006 From: madhurifan at yahoo.com (Raghuram Yedatore) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew Message-ID: <20061002081833.30795.qmail@web51004.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I am new to Naktalk. I recently picked up a CR-2A. It looks good cosmetically but however, doesn't do anything other than powering up. The gentleman who gave it to me said all it needs is lubrication/servicing and it should be alright. I cleaned the 3 contacts driven by little motor with worm drive shaft that drives a plastic cam. Still no luck. I came across this posting in sci.electronics.repair via google search Problem (identical to mine): "I own a Nakamichi CR-2A cassette deck, which has been used very little since new (great shape, no sign of wear). None of the transport buttons work at all. When the deck is tuned on the green light over the play button is illuminated. The light will briefly go out if either the rewind or FF buttons are pushed, and then come back on. That's it, no tape movement!" Suggestion by Stephen Sank: "You just need to take apart the mechanism mode drive motor, the little one with the worm drive shaft, and clean & lub the brushes & commutator. Pretty easy job." There is no response from the original poster for Sank's suggestion. I am contemplating on whether or not to open the motor. If the motor is an issue, I don't have a choice anyway. I see around 6 volts coming to the motor when I press play, rew or FF buttons but it doesn't budge. So I am inclined to think it is the motor. Any suggestions? I don't have a service manual. Please email me one to 'yedatore at gmail dot com' if anyone has a soft copy. Thank you all in advance. Raghu --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Oct 2 14:26:04 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 05:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 belts In-Reply-To: <20061002081833.30795.qmail@web51004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061002122604.6361.qmail@web50006.mail.yahoo.com> Dean are you out there? should I ask you here about the belts or should I ask you on E-bay? maybe you didn't read my post on sep. 30.anyway please get back with me. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 2 15:15:52 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:15:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew In-Reply-To: <20061002081833.30795.qmail@web51004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061002081833.30795.qmail@web51004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45211108.6000206@rcn.com> Stephen's advice was good. If the deck powers up, yet there is no response from the 'little motor' (actually, 'control motor') when transport PBs (PLAY, FF, REW, etc.) are pressed, it's highly likely that the control motor should be rebuilt. That's a fairly easy job (at least, for the second time that you do it). Before taking out the motor, though, first check to make sure that +12V gets to the motor. To do that, press transport PBs and measure the voltage across the motor lugs. If 12VDC, the motor should be rebuilt. If zero, the problem is in the logic or power supply. -- Ron Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > Hi All, > > I am new to Naktalk. > > I recently picked up a CR-2A. It looks good cosmetically but however, > doesn't do anything other than powering up. The gentleman who gave it to > me said all it needs is lubrication/servicing and it should be alright. > > I cleaned the 3 contacts driven by little motor with worm drive shaft > that drives a plastic cam. Still no luck. > > I came across this posting in sci.electronics.repair via google search > > *Problem (identical to mine):* > "I own a Nakamichi CR-2A cassette deck, which has been used very little > since > new (great shape, no sign of wear). > None of the transport buttons work at all. When the deck is tuned on the > green > light over the play button is illuminated. The light will briefly go out if > either the rewind or FF buttons are pushed, and then come back on. > That's it, > no tape movement!" > > *Suggestion by Stephen Sank: > *"You just need to take apart the mechanism mode drive motor, the little > one > with the worm drive shaft, and clean & lub the brushes & commutator. > Pretty > easy job." > > There is no response from the original poster for Sank's suggestion. > > I am contemplating on whether or not to open the motor. If the motor is > an issue, I don't have a choice anyway. I see around 6 volts coming to > the motor when I press play, rew or FF buttons but it doesn't budge. So > I am inclined to think it is the motor. > > Any suggestions? > > I don't have a service manual. Please email me one to 'yedatore at gmail > dot com' if anyone has a soft copy. > > Thank you all in advance. > > Raghu From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 2 16:24:37 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:24:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 482Z info In-Reply-To: <0d8e01c6e46a$fbb8dae0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: <20060929220823.32117.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061002092437.00824c70@earthlink.net> The beefier "classic" mechanism far outperforms the "Sankyo" mech that made its first appearance in the BX1. Nakamichi engineers were freaks about flutter, and outof the box every classic deck measured near the residual of the test tape! The LX5 had the good heads in the ZX7, excellent amplifiers, and the best looks of the bunch. It was not for the "adjust it yourself crowd", but if you recorded on TDK or Maxell tape, you didn't need the adjustability. When comparing 3 head prices between a 680 or 682, or a ZX7, you can see why the deck is a steal. I would say a 582 might be next in line as a sleeper, but the LX5 had a bit better heads. tom brucker At 01:32 AM 9/30/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Yes, I would call it a sleeper, but my favorite sleeper is the similar LX5. What about the LX-5 makes it your favorite sleeper? I've seen a number of these on ebay lately. Thanks Dennis ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 2 16:49:00 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:49:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] input distortion In-Reply-To: <20061001181254.84682.qmail@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061001143549.64390.qmail@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061002094900.00825bc0@earthlink.net> Remove the covers and find the screw clamping the main pcb to the chassis ground. It is in the middle rear, with copper foil beneath it. Either add a toothed washer or better yet, install a copper plated screw and solder the head to the board. This fixes all ills in MR1, MR2. tom brucker At 11:12 AM 10/1/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi all, I have an MR1 that appears to have an input distortion problem. Playback is fine. The right channel is louder than the left and distorted. I have given it a second input source with the same results. Lower input levels around -10 and -8db is not severely distorted but 0db and up is terrible. Sounds like a cap to me but ??? Can anyone save me some troubleshooting time (if I can figure it out!). I have a BX300 service manual not an MR1. Will this manual work? I have Monday off to work on it. Thanks in advance. Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 2 17:06:31 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:06:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew In-Reply-To: <20061002081833.30795.qmail@web51004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061002100631.00826100@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The only part of the box that isn't related to that is a switch that shorts 3 pins together momentatrily (one of the pins is +12 and the momentary switches apply the +12 from the deck to the other two pins. The pins are a contiguous connector easily accessible with a wide clamp or other improvisation, or if you have the connector, it's even easier to make. More important for the 700zxl is the extension card for the oscillator PCB that also has a switch so you can turn on the individual oscillators to adjust them. I don't think there's a schematic for that one, either, although its construction is probably deducable from the deck's schematic. I have to check more thoroughly, but I think the 700zxl's ABLE circuitry, while it has the same name, is actually not "computer' or at least "computer on a chip' controlled. There is only one 546C chip and I'm pretty sure it's used solely to do the RAMM stuff. Given the similarity of the 700 and 700 II to their 1000 complements, I've been somewhat surprised by the significant differences between the 700zxl and 1000zxl. The ABLE, as I have previously mentioned, only really trims what values you put on the bias (aka "tape type" switch, unlike the 1000zxl which has no such switch, and there are actually no A/D adjustments to be made, even though it does store the information in digital format. The azimuth adjustment is presumably the same as the 68*zx as well as the 1000zxl deck. I have too look more at the LE parts to figure how it does those, but there are only 3 adjustment points rather than 4, as has also been discussed elsewhere, for the E part.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Oct 2 19:30:07 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:30:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL strange behaviour and solved WISH I HAD THE SAME LUCK:) To: kby@its.caltech.edu Message-ID: <5EF3D5DE-D06D-4F1C-80FA-AE1307E970ED@alumni.caltech.edu> Bala wrote: > Take time and patience to work on this machine. When its been carefully done, it will be provide you with faultless performance. I'll second that. Although I didn't do the major work on mine (not having the equipment), even the little bit I've done shows that patience is the key. If I did HAVE to substitute caps because MPs in the correct values simply were no longer available, I'd feel more comfortable switching types to one of the other metallized plastics than going for MPs in the wrong values.- kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Oct 2 20:32:43 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:32:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Message-ID: > I am amazed at the number of 700 and 1000 tri tracers for sale. > These decks > only lack metal tape RECORD functions, and Dolby C. Since many people > eschew C and metal tape is no longer manufactured, these machines are > actually worth considering. > Although metal isn't for the most part made (isn't there the Korean exception?) it's still reasonably available, albeit at a price. There are some odd offshoots of the major manufacturers that aren't too pricey, either, although for the most part I prefer the older ones, even sometimes the older ones f the mainline ones. For example, in my continuing saga of the MX-100s, the older ones in the square cases have the normal amount of leader. Newer ones in round cases (either blue or blank shrinkwrap appear to have the shorter leaders. I'm not sure why they chintzed on that as this particular generation of MX-S tapes seem to be the only ones that have that construction.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Oct 2 19:46:43 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:46:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BALA PLS EMAIL ZERO VLOTAGE OFFSET PROCEDURE FOR IC 301 , 1000ZXL THANKS! Message-ID: <502.6e679a2.3252aa83@aol.com> HI Bala, Can please let me know the procedure sequence again to check for zero offset voltage at pins of IC 301 , I will appreciate it as the email got lost in which you have mentioned the pins to check on this IC. As mentioned in my first emails no one has ever worked on this machine when I brought it , other than me now! I have been patient! as I have still not done anything to the machine electronic wise other than cleaning the terminals and repairing a couple of solder traces on the main board which looked supsect me in the area where the 4 plug in PCB are located. AS USUAL! MANY THANKS TO YOU BALA, KBY AND LP FOR TAKING TIME TO HELP ME WITH MY 1000 ZXL WITH KIND HELP OF YOU NICE!:) GUYS I AM SURE THIS BEAUTY WILL FINALLY BE FIXED!! WE WILL HAVE A PARTY!!:) Many Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 2 20:56:53 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] input distortion In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061002094900.00825bc0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20061002185653.36917.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I found the screw you mentioned and installed a tooth washer. The screw was not very tight at all! The distortion was cleared up when I went to work on it so I don't know if that cleared it up on not. The cap I was suspecting was #C227 on the input board. This was in the BX300 service manual and this is an MR1. Anyway, thanks! We'll see if that washer cured it! all is well now. Thanks, Bob Hi Tech wrote: Remove the covers and find the screw clamping the main pcb to the chassis ground. It is in the middle rear, with copper foil beneath it. Either add a toothed washer or better yet, install a copper plated screw and solder the head to the board. This fixes all ills in MR1, MR2. tom brucker At 11:12 AM 10/1/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi all, I have an MR1 that appears to have an input distortion problem. Playback is fine. The right channel is louder than the left and distorted. I have given it a second input source with the same results. Lower input levels around -10 and -8db is not severely distorted but 0db and up is terrible. Sounds like a cap to me but ??? Can anyone save me some troubleshooting time (if I can figure it out!). I have a BX300 service manual not an MR1. Will this manual work? I have Monday off to work on it. Thanks in advance. Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Oct 3 03:17:15 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:17:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4521BA1B.3080508@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tomas, Tomas Larsson wrote: > Is a Nak 600 of any interest, might aquire one, just for fun. You betcha. It's my longtime favorite Nak. A true classic in every sense of the word, splendid sound, reliable and very, very cool. > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs From bernardsda at hotmail.com Tue Oct 3 05:23:48 2006 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:23:48 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 3 09:47:14 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:47:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE:BX-300E alignment In-Reply-To: <200610030715.k937Cp6X006192@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Kimo Sorry, I used "hexane" to refer to American Recorders' S-721H. I use that to keep my heads and rollers in nice condition. I'm an all-rounder, lousy at mathematics *and* chemistry :-) Chris From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Oct 3 10:31:22 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 01:31:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE:BX-300E alignment Message-ID: <42562C7F-6130-4B83-93E6-8CD88A97B48C@alumni.caltech.edu> > Sorry, I used "hexane" to refer to American Recorders' S-721H. I use that to > keep my heads and rollers in nice condition. > Hmmm....well, it could have hexane in it, but I would normall expect them to put something in a little faster evaporating. Does it actually say "hexane" on the label and is there other "stuff" in front of the word "hexane"? Just curious. I was wondering where you would be using hexane was all. 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I was always under the assumption that it was the deck electronics and user tunability that accounted for the 'sonic' differences. Incidently, I bit the bullet this weekend and compared my 480Z to my LX-3... essentially the same transport, and RP-9E heads, but markedly different sounds. The 480Z is strong in the bottom end, slightly forward midrange.... whereas the LX-3 was very neutral; similar differences I have noted before between the 682ZX and ZX-7. So my conclusion now has to be that the LX-3 isn't just a 480Z in fancy dress!! it is a bit more sophisticated than that!. I don't have an LX-5 so cannot do the comparison to the 482Z. :o(, but could reasonably expect the differences to be as marked, given that the 482Z is similar to the 480Z Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Oct 3 13:42:21 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:42:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <4521BA1B.3080508@woods-and-waters.com> References: <4521BA1B.3080508@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <45224C9D.2010102@cox.net> Welcome back, Kermit! Great to see you survived! Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Tomas, > > Tomas Larsson wrote: >> Is a Nak 600 of any interest, might aquire one, just for fun. > > You betcha. It's my longtime favorite Nak. A true classic in every > sense of the word, splendid sound, reliable and very, very cool. > >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com >> service. > > From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 3 14:42:19 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:42:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Hexane In-Reply-To: <200610031001.k93A0Ij1007186@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Kimo I just pulled the American Recorders bottle out and among all the instructions about how to use it and clearly spelled out precautions, the label states "Contains: hexane CAS #110-54-3". This product has removed deposits from tape heads and rollers that I hadn't even realised were there. I treat it with respect. Oh yes. Chris From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 3 15:54:54 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:54:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 482Z info (Hi Tech) In-Reply-To: <000e01c6e6db$430587a0$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061003085454.00826c70@earthlink.net> Nakamichi heads: (NakNuts) As I dimly recall, when metal tape was introduced, Nakamichi claimed that the only heads they needed to redesign were the erase heads. The question is, did they manufacture the heads, or was that delegated to a 3rd party? While the BX1 head seems to be garden variety sendust, I have never seen crystalloy heads in other brands. Does anyone know the answer? In the 1000ZXL discussion the variable EQ was described. What Nak engineers did in all other decks was to match the record EQ (play being standardized), head shape (for flat low frequency), and tape type for flat response 20-20kHz. If you play with decks and oscillators you find many curious things. Specs of +-2dB are hardly flat, yet most Naks were well within this range. The curious bit is that at record levels above -20Vu, dynamic compression caused by magnetic non-linearities make most cassettes +-4dB or worse. I think you hear a refinement in the LX3 that combines improvements by the engineers in flatness above -20Vu. I never recall getting a bad head. I always used a T100 analyzer with a top frequency of 20kHz, so I really didn't observe "better heads" in practice. What I did see were very solid 20kHz R/P response as opposed to bouncy or wavering response, caused by tape skew and poor tape travelling. Many decks appeared better than others. I feel that head tilt has a huge influence on this performance parameter, but it could just as easily be head differences. The sales success of the BX series pused Nakamichi away from the high end, into the CR series. I suppose after the ZX9, 700,1000ZXL there is nothing more to add to state of the art, but I think this stagnated cassette engineering, and head engineering. Nakamichi became focused on digital, just as other analog companies did (Studer-Revox is the poster child) . tom brucker At 12:01 AM 10/4/06 +1300, you wrote: >>>> Tom, A query.. I was told that the majority of 3 head 'classic naks' all used the same heads, eg P/no: GA02034A for the P-8L, as listed for my 481/582/582Z/RX505/ZX7/682ZX. The exception being the ZXL's?, and the 680ZX (P-9L). The same goes for the record heads. Did Nakamichi run a selection programme?, in that better test spec heads were reserved for higher end decks?. I was always under the assumption that it was the deck electronics and user tunability that accounted for the 'sonic' differences. Incidently, I bit the bullet this weekend and compared my 480Z to my LX-3... essentially the same transport, and RP-9E heads, but markedly different sounds. The 480Z is strong in the bottom end, slightly forward midrange.... whereas the LX-3 was very neutral; similar differences I have noted before between the 682ZX and ZX-7. So my conclusion now has to be that the LX-3 isn't just a 480Z in fancy dress!! it is a bit more sophisticated than that!. I don't have an LX-5 so cannot do the comparison to the 482Z. :o(, but could reasonably expect the differences to be as marked, given that the 482Z is similar to the 480Z Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Oct 3 21:04:14 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:04:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <45224C9D.2010102@cox.net> References: <4521BA1B.3080508@woods-and-waters.com> <45224C9D.2010102@cox.net> Message-ID: <4522B42E.9000105@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tim, I was beginning to suffer severe Naktalk withdrawal pangs, characterized by an irrepressible desire to go on a binge buying blank cassettes, phono cartridges and more cassette decks; burn iPods in effigy, and rig Dual 1218 turntables to play LPs while the deck is suspended upside-down... ...Wait a minute, this is how I usually spend my weekends. Anyway, I've been missing you guys! Tim Barrett wrote: > Welcome back, Kermit! Great to see you survived! > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > >> Hi Tomas, >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >>> Is a Nak 600 of any interest, might aquire one, just for fun. >> >> >> You betcha. It's my longtime favorite Nak. A true classic in every >> sense of the word, splendid sound, reliable and very, very cool. >> -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Oct 3 21:17:55 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:17:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <4522B47D.10409@cox.net> References: <4521BA1B.3080508@woods-and-waters.com> <45224C9D.2010102@cox.net> <4522B42E.9000105@woods-and-waters.com> <4522B47D.10409@cox.net> Message-ID: <4522B763.5070408@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tim and the rest of youse Naktalk guys, I was beginning to suffer severe Naktalk withdrawal pangs, characterized by an irrepressible desire to go on a binge buying blank cassettes, phono cartridges and more cassette decks; burn iPods in effigy, and rig Dual 1218 turntables to play LPs while the deck is suspended upside-down... ...Wait a minute, this is how I usually spend my weekends. Anyway, I've been missing you guys! > Tim Barrett wrote: > >> Welcome back, Kermit! Great to see you survived! >> >> Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> >>> Hi Tomas, >>> >>> Tomas Larsson wrote: >>> >>> Is a Nak 600 of any interest, might aquire one, just for fun. >>> >>> >>> >>> You betcha. It's my longtime favorite Nak. A true classic in every >>> sense of the word, splendid sound, reliable and very, very cool. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Tue Oct 3 22:57:14 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:57:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? References: <3.0.3.32.20061003085454.00826c70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002a01c6e72e$85d839d0$b207010a@hurtignok> Thank you Tom for sharing your insight and thoughts about the different breeds of Nakamichi with focus on heads and performance - As a newcomer in this Nak world I read whatever you and the other experts in this forum write - and enjoys it - even the stuff I do not understand :-) My question here is: Where do the CR-7(E) fit in in terms of build AND sound quality. Hi-Fi World's Davids Price seems to ranks it at the top: http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 482Z info (Hi Tech) > Nakamichi heads: (NakNuts) > As I dimly recall, when metal tape was introduced, Nakamichi claimed that > the only heads they needed to redesign were the erase heads. The question > is, did they manufacture the heads, or was that delegated to a 3rd party? > While the BX1 head seems to be garden variety sendust, I have never seen > crystalloy heads in other brands. Does anyone know the answer? > In the 1000ZXL discussion the variable EQ was described. What Nak > engineers did in all other decks was to match the record EQ (play being > standardized), head shape (for flat low frequency), and tape type for flat > response 20-20kHz. If you play with decks and oscillators you find many > curious things. Specs of +-2dB are hardly flat, yet most Naks were well > within this range. The curious bit is that at record levels above -20Vu, > dynamic compression caused by magnetic non-linearities make most cassettes > +-4dB or worse. I think you hear a refinement in the LX3 that combines > improvements by the engineers in flatness above -20Vu. > I never recall getting a bad head. I always used a T100 analyzer with > a top frequency of 20kHz, so I really didn't observe "better heads" in > practice. What I did see were very solid 20kHz R/P response as opposed to > bouncy or wavering response, caused by tape skew and poor tape travelling. > Many decks appeared better than others. I feel that head tilt has a huge > influence on this performance parameter, but it could just as easily be > head differences. > The sales success of the BX series pused Nakamichi away from the high > end, into the CR series. I suppose after the ZX9, 700,1000ZXL there is > nothing more to add to state of the art, but I think this stagnated > cassette engineering, and head engineering. Nakamichi became focused on > digital, just as other analog companies did (Studer-Revox is the poster > child) . > > tom brucker From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 4 00:00:13 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:00:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? In-Reply-To: <002a01c6e72e$85d839d0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <3.0.3.32.20061003085454.00826c70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061003170013.008327e0@earthlink.net> Per, I have a huge bias :) towards old Naks. The CR 7 is a fine deck, but until you've seen what can be done with great bearings, massive flywheels, mic inputs, and exotic aesthetic design, you can't appreciate Nakamichi to the fullest. A case in point is the thread about the really old decks that Nakamichi was the OEM, such as the HK 1000. This deck was a single capstan mechanical mechanism that Nak had produced for 2 years at least. HK had them fit a better head on their deck, and it became the first machine to flirt with 20kHz response. At that time cassettes were a joke in the US market, used for dictation, not for music. Nakamichi spent the money to build the 700 and 1000 3 head machines, and single-handedly made cassette a hifi medium. I love Nak because they also built for the little guys. The same OEM transport was put in the 500, and the portable 550, and later refined into the 600. Nak owners actually taped live music! One reason I appreciate the NakTalk community is that there are folks who have only heard the newer Nak decks and can still recognize that they deliver a special level of performance. Those of us who are jaded old timers have to some extent forgotten how spectacular the 700's adjustable record head 'tri-tracer" is/was. I suppose it would be fun to go head to head recording CD, with its extended bass and high volume treble, comparing a 700 with a CR7. I will see what I can do here. I will be repairing Jon's 700. I have a ZX9 and 680Z here now, but no CR7. I have some IMF TLS-80s at work here that I plan to set up in back for a critical listening system. Is anyone else able to compare the two decks? tom brucker At 10:57 PM 10/3/06 +0200, you wrote: >Thank you Tom for sharing your insight and thoughts about the different >breeds of Nakamichi with focus on heads and performance - As a >newcomer in this Nak world I read whatever you and the other experts >in this forum write - and enjoys it - even the stuff I do not understand :-) >My question here is: Where do the CR-7(E) fit in in terms of build AND >sound quality. Hi-Fi World's Davids Price seems to ranks it at the top: >http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html >Best Regards, Per > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hi Tech" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:54 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 482Z info (Hi Tech) > > >> Nakamichi heads: (NakNuts) >> As I dimly recall, when metal tape was introduced, Nakamichi claimed that >> the only heads they needed to redesign were the erase heads. The question >> is, did they manufacture the heads, or was that delegated to a 3rd party? >> While the BX1 head seems to be garden variety sendust, I have never seen >> crystalloy heads in other brands. Does anyone know the answer? >> In the 1000ZXL discussion the variable EQ was described. What Nak >> engineers did in all other decks was to match the record EQ (play being >> standardized), head shape (for flat low frequency), and tape type for flat >> response 20-20kHz. If you play with decks and oscillators you find many >> curious things. Specs of +-2dB are hardly flat, yet most Naks were well >> within this range. The curious bit is that at record levels above -20Vu, >> dynamic compression caused by magnetic non-linearities make most cassettes >> +-4dB or worse. I think you hear a refinement in the LX3 that combines >> improvements by the engineers in flatness above -20Vu. >> I never recall getting a bad head. I always used a T100 analyzer with >> a top frequency of 20kHz, so I really didn't observe "better heads" in >> practice. What I did see were very solid 20kHz R/P response as opposed to >> bouncy or wavering response, caused by tape skew and poor tape travelling. >> Many decks appeared better than others. I feel that head tilt has a huge >> influence on this performance parameter, but it could just as easily be >> head differences. >> The sales success of the BX series pused Nakamichi away from the high >> end, into the CR series. I suppose after the ZX9, 700,1000ZXL there is >> nothing more to add to state of the art, but I think this stagnated >> cassette engineering, and head engineering. Nakamichi became focused on >> digital, just as other analog companies did (Studer-Revox is the poster >> child) . >> >> tom brucker >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 4 00:59:52 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:59:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? Message-ID: Unfortunately, I'm one of the jaded old guys and only have old decks (the newest being a Dragon) and I don't know the condition of any but the 1000zxls (although the 700 II still sounds OK to the casual listen).-kby From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 4 04:20:07 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:20:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Metal Capusul Cassette? Message-ID: <45231A57.2030603@woods-and-waters.com> Hi fellow Naktalkers, On a recent buying binge I picked up two "Maxell Metal Capsule 100" metal oxide cassettes -- and a new B&O MMC20CL cartridge for my B&O 4004, B&O 2400 cassette deck to match my B&O 1900 receiver, another dead Nak 600-II for parts, a pair of Baby Advent speakers, an Ortofon X-1 MC cartridge, Grado Prestige Gold cartridge, five new headshells, several Quantegy reel-to-reel tapes, a Signet Mk 111E MC cartridge, B&O RL35 and S45 speakers, EPI speakers, and about fifty NOS valves/tubes (including a pair of rare Western Electric 262B!). It's official -- I'm broke now. I haven't tried the Maxell Metal Capsule 100 cassettes yet. Anyone ever hear of these? I can't decide what album to record on them! Augh! I hate indecision! Too many great albums, too few great blank tapes! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and pro audio info! From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 4 04:52:53 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:52:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Metal Capusul Cassette? Message-ID: <08ECE896-4BE5-4D13-9318-7DA92DCC2B31@alumni.caltech.edu> I have a couple of 110s. I know my original 1000zxl was not able to autocal to them, but my 1000zxl ltd (in better condition) has no issue. I suspect they may have higher biasing requirements than, say tdk MA. But that's just a guess based on these observations. Sonically, I haven't noticed a big difference but haven't really done anything critical. I believe they are of the :"newer cheaper" generation of metals from Maxell. I'm sure Marc will correct me and have better observations.-kby From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Oct 4 00:27:58 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:27:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to 1000ZXL! Message-ID: Hi Per, The Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the BEST! of all Nakamichi Cassette Deck ever made and also the most expensive at $3800! when new! The only more expensive was the 1000 zxl limited mostly cosmetic wise , sound wise it was the same as the 1000zxl . Are you ready for the cost of 1000 zxl limited when new?!! $6000! in 1980s dollars! who know how much it would cost in today's dollars. I have owned all top of the line Nakamichis including Dragon, CR 7A , RX 505, LX 5. 700zxl , 680zx . Currently have the Dragon, 1000zxl and cr 3a. Also have 2 speed BIC 3 head cassette deck that sold for $ 850 when new, Revox B 710 Mk1 4 motors , 3head great machine but nowhere near the 1000zxl. Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Howie. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 4 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:17:15 -0500 From: "Kermit V. Gray" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 600 To: tomas at tlec.se, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4521BA1B.3080508 at woods-and-waters.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Tomas, Tomas Larsson wrote: > Is a Nak 600 of any interest, might aquire one, just for fun. You betcha. It's my longtime favorite Nak. A true classic in every sense of the word, splendid sound, reliable and very, very cool. > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/461 - Release Date: 10/2/2006 From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Oct 4 04:49:03 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:49:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Metal Capusul Cassette? In-Reply-To: <45231A57.2030603@woods-and-waters.com> References: <45231A57.2030603@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110610031949t6201cd9bl9aa2f6c46c35e84c@mail.gmail.com> Heh - you could have cut out that whole first paragraph and saved me three minutes of drooling you know :-) Maxell Metal Capsules are no MAX-G, but they're tolerable compared to other manufacturer's latter-day offerings IMHO. I do, however, try to stay away from 100- and 110-minute length cassettes, the excessive tape length means the coating is thinner than on, for instance, 60-minute tapes, and the heavier reels make for unnecessary wear and tear on some tape deck motors. It is also said that the longer tape overall thickness suffers (9 µm?), making them much more susceptible to breakage and print-through, but I don't think this applies quite so much to metal tapes. You probably knew all that, just my $.02 -Tim On 10/3/06, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > Hi fellow Naktalkers, > > On a recent buying binge I picked up two "Maxell Metal Capsule 100" > metal oxide cassettes -- and a new B&O MMC20CL cartridge for my B&O > 4004, B&O 2400 cassette deck to match my B&O 1900 receiver, another dead > Nak 600-II for parts, a pair of Baby Advent speakers, an Ortofon X-1 MC > cartridge, Grado Prestige Gold cartridge, five new headshells, several > Quantegy reel-to-reel tapes, a Signet Mk 111E MC cartridge, B&O RL35 and > S45 speakers, EPI speakers, and about fifty NOS valves/tubes (including > a pair of rare Western Electric 262B!). It's official -- I'm broke now. > > I haven't tried the Maxell Metal Capsule 100 cassettes yet. Anyone ever > hear of these? I can't decide what album to record on them! Augh! I hate > indecision! Too many great albums, too few great blank tapes! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and > pro audio info! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Wed Oct 4 05:07:10 2006 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:07:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061003170013.008327e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have owned CR7's, Dragons, ZX9's and 505's at the same time and I have to admit my preference is for the classic Nak design that's not on the CR7. Granted the CR7's have generated quite a following including David Price, my lsitening was done with a friend using the turntable and CD as sources. When the Dragon is properly set up, ite perfromance is incredible and it differentiaites itself from the CR7 in its soundstage and depth. The ZX9's strength lies in its faithfulness to the source and differentiaites itself from the CR7 in its depth , detail and awesome bass. While the 505 is without built in test tones like its famous brethren its definitely no slouch. I recall a recording I made on the 505 twenty years ago on a Teac MDX metal cassette with my source being a fully loaded Linn LP12 playing a Gino Vanelli audophile pressing the result being a perfect copy and when played back today on the ZX9 the words phenomenol comes to mind. I wonder what can be better?.......regrettably I have no first hand experience with Nak's greats such as 1000's and 700's. Those with CR7's should be proud of their deck. Its an extremely good machine but I dont consider it among the greats. It packs superb technology and was one of Naks answer to Revox's B215. But could you imagine CR7 technology utilizing the classic Nak design? If they ever went there the price would have out of reach of many Nakamichites. Punch-in recording is one feature I love using and regrettably is not available on the newer Sankyo design. >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? >Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:00:13 -0500 > >Per, > I have a huge bias :) towards old Naks. The CR 7 is a fine deck, but >until you've seen what can be done with great bearings, massive flywheels, >mic inputs, and exotic aesthetic design, you can't appreciate Nakamichi to >the fullest. >A case in point is the thread about the really old decks that Nakamichi was >the OEM, such as the HK 1000. This deck was a single capstan mechanical >mechanism that Nak had produced for 2 years at least. HK had them fit a >better head on their deck, and it became the first machine to flirt with >20kHz response. At that time cassettes were a joke in the US market, used >for dictation, not for music. Nakamichi spent the money to build the 700 >and 1000 3 head machines, and single-handedly made cassette a hifi medium. >I love Nak because they also built for the little guys. The same OEM >transport was put in the 500, and the portable 550, and later refined into >the 600. Nak owners actually taped live music! > One reason I appreciate the NakTalk community is that there are folks >who have only heard the newer Nak decks and can still recognize that they >deliver a special level of performance. Those of us who are jaded old >timers have to some extent forgotten how spectacular the 700's adjustable >record head 'tri-tracer" is/was. I suppose it would be fun to go head to >head recording CD, with its extended bass and high volume treble, comparing >a 700 with a CR7. I will see what I can do here. I will be repairing >Jon's 700. I have a ZX9 and 680Z here now, but no CR7. I have some IMF >TLS-80s at work here that I plan to set up in back for a critical listening >system. Is anyone else able to compare the two decks? > >tom brucker > >At 10:57 PM 10/3/06 +0200, you wrote: > >Thank you Tom for sharing your insight and thoughts about the different > >breeds of Nakamichi with focus on heads and performance - As a > >newcomer in this Nak world I read whatever you and the other experts > >in this forum write - and enjoys it - even the stuff I do not understand >:-) > >My question here is: Where do the CR-7(E) fit in in terms of build AND > >sound quality. Hi-Fi World's Davids Price seems to ranks it at the top: > >http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html > >Best Regards, Per > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Hi Tech" > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:54 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 482Z info (Hi Tech) > > > > > >> Nakamichi heads: (NakNuts) > >> As I dimly recall, when metal tape was introduced, Nakamichi claimed >that > >> the only heads they needed to redesign were the erase heads. The >question > >> is, did they manufacture the heads, or was that delegated to a 3rd >party? > >> While the BX1 head seems to be garden variety sendust, I have never >seen > >> crystalloy heads in other brands. Does anyone know the answer? > >> In the 1000ZXL discussion the variable EQ was described. What Nak > >> engineers did in all other decks was to match the record EQ (play being > >> standardized), head shape (for flat low frequency), and tape type for >flat > >> response 20-20kHz. If you play with decks and oscillators you find many > >> curious things. Specs of +-2dB are hardly flat, yet most Naks were well > >> within this range. The curious bit is that at record levels above >-20Vu, > >> dynamic compression caused by magnetic non-linearities make most >cassettes > >> +-4dB or worse. I think you hear a refinement in the LX3 that combines > >> improvements by the engineers in flatness above -20Vu. > >> I never recall getting a bad head. I always used a T100 analyzer >with > >> a top frequency of 20kHz, so I really didn't observe "better heads" in > >> practice. What I did see were very solid 20kHz R/P response as opposed >to > >> bouncy or wavering response, caused by tape skew and poor tape >travelling. > >> Many decks appeared better than others. I feel that head tilt has a >huge > >> influence on this performance parameter, but it could just as easily be > >> head differences. > >> The sales success of the BX series pused Nakamichi away from the high > >> end, into the CR series. I suppose after the ZX9, 700,1000ZXL there is > >> nothing more to add to state of the art, but I think this stagnated > >> cassette engineering, and head engineering. Nakamichi became focused on > >> digital, just as other analog companies did (Studer-Revox is the poster > >> child) . > >> > >> tom brucker > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 4 16:11:52 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:11:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? In-Reply-To: <002a01c6e72e$85d839d0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <3.0.3.32.20061003085454.00826c70@earthlink.net> <002a01c6e72e$85d839d0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <4523C128.7050109@rcn.com> Per, Which is the 'best' dish? Chateaubriand? Sushi? boeuf stroganoff? Caviar? Brie on stone crackers? Swiss chocolate? By the same token, there is no 'best' Nak deck. It depends on taste, the features one needs/wants and one's pocketbook. *To me*, the CR-7 fits among the 3-4 best Nak decks. *To me* it's high up there. I think it sounds better than the Dragon (a shade more 'transparent') and records just as well. I do not need or want the reversing capability or the extensive automation. The 1000ZXL may sound even better, but I don't really know, since I have never heard them side by side. The CR-7 does have some weak points; transport reliability (*not* performance) is one of them. But I find that with proper maintenance every couple of years (which is no big deal for me), my CR-7 is doing just fine. I wouldn't replace it with the far more expensive ZXL, with its purported unreliability. YMMV. (Actually, Your Mileage *WILL* vary.) -- Ron Per wrote: > Thank you Tom for sharing your insight and thoughts about the different > breeds of Nakamichi with focus on heads and performance - As a newcomer > in this Nak world I read whatever you and the other experts > in this forum write - and enjoys it - even the stuff I do not understand > :-) > My question here is: Where do the CR-7(E) fit in in terms of build AND > sound quality. Hi-Fi World's Davids Price seems to ranks it at the top: > http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html > Best Regards, Per > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:54 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 482Z info (Hi Tech) > > >> Nakamichi heads: (NakNuts) >> As I dimly recall, when metal tape was introduced, Nakamichi claimed that >> the only heads they needed to redesign were the erase heads. The question >> is, did they manufacture the heads, or was that delegated to a 3rd party? >> While the BX1 head seems to be garden variety sendust, I have never seen >> crystalloy heads in other brands. Does anyone know the answer? >> In the 1000ZXL discussion the variable EQ was described. What Nak >> engineers did in all other decks was to match the record EQ (play being >> standardized), head shape (for flat low frequency), and tape type for >> flat >> response 20-20kHz. If you play with decks and oscillators you find many >> curious things. Specs of +-2dB are hardly flat, yet most Naks were well >> within this range. The curious bit is that at record levels above -20Vu, >> dynamic compression caused by magnetic non-linearities make most >> cassettes >> +-4dB or worse. I think you hear a refinement in the LX3 that combines >> improvements by the engineers in flatness above -20Vu. >> I never recall getting a bad head. I always used a T100 analyzer with >> a top frequency of 20kHz, so I really didn't observe "better heads" in >> practice. What I did see were very solid 20kHz R/P response as opposed to >> bouncy or wavering response, caused by tape skew and poor tape >> travelling. >> Many decks appeared better than others. I feel that head tilt has a huge >> influence on this performance parameter, but it could just as easily be >> head differences. >> The sales success of the BX series pused Nakamichi away from the high >> end, into the CR series. I suppose after the ZX9, 700,1000ZXL there is >> nothing more to add to state of the art, but I think this stagnated >> cassette engineering, and head engineering. Nakamichi became focused on >> digital, just as other analog companies did (Studer-Revox is the poster >> child) . >> >> tom brucker From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 4 16:05:52 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:05:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Metal Capusul Cassette? In-Reply-To: <45231A57.2030603@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061004090552.00829c00@earthlink.net> Kermit, i can find homes for the s45s and the signet cartridge if you would be willing to sell for a profit. That mmc2ocl will last a lifetime. The diamond is so well polished it never seems to exhibit wear. the red lines are actually good sounding. They had funny wire floor stands that gave them good bass, ala Dahlquist DQ 10s, but they were designed as wall mounts. I wonder if the maxell tapes were a response to TDK's aluminum housng? tom brucker >Hi fellow Naktalkers, > >On a recent buying binge I picked up two "Maxell Metal Capsule 100" >metal oxide cassettes -- and a new B&O MMC20CL cartridge for my B&O >4004, B&O 2400 cassette deck to match my B&O 1900 receiver, another dead >Nak 600-II for parts, a pair of Baby Advent speakers, an Ortofon X-1 MC >cartridge, Grado Prestige Gold cartridge, five new headshells, several >Quantegy reel-to-reel tapes, a Signet Mk 111E MC cartridge, B&O RL35 and >S45 speakers, EPI speakers, and about fifty NOS valves/tubes (including >a pair of rare Western Electric 262B!). It's official -- I'm broke now. > >I haven't tried the Maxell Metal Capsule 100 cassettes yet. Anyone ever >hear of these? I can't decide what album to record on them! Augh! I hate >indecision! Too many great albums, too few great blank tapes! > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >pro audio info! > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Oct 4 16:19:54 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:19:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to 1000ZXL! Message-ID: Hi Ali, YES...the 1000ZXL when WORKS WELL or as INTENDED...was the best sounding cassette deck ever made! Honestly!!! I sincerely wish a good luck with your task to repair your acquired 1000ZXL deck! Peace , ALEX! From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:27:58 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to 1000ZXL!To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Per, The Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the BEST! of all Nakamichi Cassette Deck ever made and also the most expensive at $3800! when new! The only more expensive was the 1000 zxl limited mostly cosmetic wise , sound wise it was the same as the 1000zxl . Are you ready for the cost of 1000 zxl limited when new?!! $6000! in 1980s dollars! who know how much it would cost in today's dollars. I have owned all top of the line Nakamichis including Dragon, CR 7A , RX 505, LX 5. 700zxl , 680zx . Currently have the Dragon, 1000zxl and cr 3a. Also have 2 speed BIC 3 head cassette deck that sold for $ 850 when new, Revox B 710 Mk1 4 motors , 3head great machine but nowhere near the 1000zxl. Thanks! Ali _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 4 17:57:23 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BALA PLS EMAIL ZERO VLOTAGE OFFSET PROCEDURE FOR IC 301 , 1000ZXL THANKS! In-Reply-To: <502.6e679a2.3252aa83@aol.com> Message-ID: <20061004155723.28361.qmail@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Ali, Please take a look at the following web-page - http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/technical.html As I always stress, work on it stage by stage. When you mention clean music through an external CD source, I presume the input, meter circuits and as the deck plays, the logic obviously works. Recording would result in a broken sound - because auto cal must be performed. So try to get the machine working to play properly. Best Regards Bala Ganesh BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: HI Bala, Can please let me know the procedure sequence again to check for zero offset voltage at pins of IC 301 , I will appreciate it as the email got lost in which you have mentioned the pins to check on this IC. As mentioned in my first emails no one has ever worked on this machine when I brought it , other than me now! I have been patient! as I have still not done anything to the machine electronic wise other than cleaning the terminals and repairing a couple of solder traces on the main board which looked supsect me in the area where the 4 plug in PCB are located. AS USUAL! MANY THANKS TO YOU BALA, KBY AND LP FOR TAKING TIME TO HELP ME WITH MY 1000 ZXL WITH KIND HELP OF YOU NICE!:) GUYS I AM SURE THIS BEAUTY WILL FINALLY BE FIXED!! WE WILL HAVE A PARTY!!:) Many Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <570.a70e8b4.325584b1@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061005085832.0082b100@earthlink.net> Ali, there are kits here in the USA for do-it-yourself surround replacement. They are 6",8",10",12" ,15" nominal sizes. I think the RLs are 6" woofers? Post some measurements and I'll get you the source information. tom brucker At 05:42 PM 10/4/06 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Hi Kermit and Tom, I too have the redline bang and olufsen speakers in grey cabinets with the funny floor stands you mentioned , the foam surrounds have all rotted, do you know a good source to get the replacement foam surrounds , B&O are of no help must be some third party source. Many Thanks! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From fredmoss at libello.com Thu Oct 5 13:10:06 2006 From: fredmoss at libello.com (fredmoss at libello.com) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:10:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <200610041559.k94FxCCJ020730@zxe.naks.com> References: <200610041559.k94FxCCJ020730@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <2850.86.129.67.186.1160046606.squirrel@webmail.libello.com> Hello guys, I thought I would add my opinion to the what's best of the naks debat, When I was. A collector of naks I had at the same time 1000zxl dragon cr7e and 700zxe. Without any doubt the 1000zxl was the best providing indistinguishable copies using metal tape, then cr7e which was pretty close and finally dragon and 700zxe which were pretty close in sound quality with each other but not in the same league as the top two. My test was to record and playback on the same deck but I felt that the dragon would play back much more accurately than it could record. One thing I found slightly irritating with the cr7 was thAt the transport was noisier than the older naks. Fred > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to 1000ZXL! > (BOEING747600 at aol.com) > 2. Contents of Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 4 (Howard Barker) > 3. Re: Metal Capusul Cassette? (Tim Skorick) > 4. Re: CR-7E The best sounding Nak? (boogie man) > 5. Re: CR-7E The best sounding Nak? (Ron) > 6. Re: Metal Capusul Cassette? (Hi Tech) > 7. RE: CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to 1000ZXL! > (Alex Cozac) > 8. Re: BALA PLS EMAIL ZERO VLOTAGE OFFSET PROCEDURE FOR IC 301 , > 1000ZXL THANKS! (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:27:58 EDT > From: BOEING747600 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to > 1000ZXL! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Per, The Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the BEST! of all Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > ever made and also the most expensive at $3800! when new! The only more > expensive was the 1000 zxl limited mostly cosmetic wise , sound wise it > was the same > as the 1000zxl . Are you ready for the cost of 1000 zxl limited when > new?!! > $6000! in 1980s dollars! who know how much it would cost in today's > dollars. I > have owned all top of the line Nakamichis including Dragon, CR 7A , RX > 505, > LX 5. 700zxl , 680zx . Currently have the Dragon, 1000zxl and cr 3a. Also > have > 2 speed BIC 3 head cassette deck that sold for $ 850 when new, Revox B 710 > Mk1 > 4 motors , 3head great machine but nowhere near the 1000zxl. Thanks! > > Ali > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061003/f0dd67a2/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:56:25 -0500 > From: "Howard Barker" > Subject: [naktalk] Contents of Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 4 > To: > Message-ID: <200610032256.k93MuSq1012641 at zxe.naks.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Welcome back Kermit!! > > You are back, aren't you? > > Howie. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:00 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 4 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:17:15 -0500 > From: "Kermit V. Gray" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 600 > To: tomas at tlec.se, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <4521BA1B.3080508 at woods-and-waters.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Hi Tomas, > > Tomas Larsson wrote: >> Is a Nak 600 of any interest, might aquire one, just for fun. > > You betcha. It's my longtime favorite Nak. A true classic in every sense > of > the word, splendid sound, reliable and very, very cool. > >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com >> service. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/461 - Release Date: 10/2/2006 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:49:03 -0500 > From: "Tim Skorick" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Metal Capusul Cassette? > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > <6bddc1110610031949t6201cd9bl9aa2f6c46c35e84c at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Heh - you could have cut out that whole first paragraph and saved me three > minutes of drooling you know :-) > > Maxell Metal Capsules are no MAX-G, but they're tolerable compared to > other > manufacturer's latter-day offerings IMHO. I do, however, try to stay away > from 100- and 110-minute length cassettes, the excessive tape length means > the coating is thinner than on, for instance, 60-minute tapes, and the > heavier reels make for unnecessary wear and tear on some tape deck motors. > It is also said that the longer tape overall thickness suffers (9 µm?), > making them much more susceptible to breakage and print-through, but I > don't > think this applies quite so much to metal tapes. > > You probably knew all that, just my $.02 > > -Tim > > On 10/3/06, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >> >> Hi fellow Naktalkers, >> >> On a recent buying binge I picked up two "Maxell Metal Capsule 100" >> metal oxide cassettes -- and a new B&O MMC20CL cartridge for my B&O >> 4004, B&O 2400 cassette deck to match my B&O 1900 receiver, another dead >> Nak 600-II for parts, a pair of Baby Advent speakers, an Ortofon X-1 MC >> cartridge, Grado Prestige Gold cartridge, five new headshells, several >> Quantegy reel-to-reel tapes, a Signet Mk 111E MC cartridge, B&O RL35 and >> S45 speakers, EPI speakers, and about fifty NOS valves/tubes (including >> a pair of rare Western Electric 262B!). It's official -- I'm broke now. >> >> I haven't tried the Maxell Metal Capsule 100 cassettes yet. Anyone ever >> hear of these? I can't decide what album to record on them! Augh! I hate >> indecision! Too many great albums, too few great blank tapes! >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >> pro audio info! >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061003/d23a4152/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:07:10 -0400 > From: "boogie man" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > I have owned CR7's, Dragons, ZX9's and 505's at the same time and I have > to > admit my preference is for the classic Nak design that's not on the CR7. > Granted the CR7's have generated quite a following including David Price, > my > lsitening was done with a friend using the turntable and CD as sources. > > When the Dragon is properly set up, ite perfromance is incredible and it > differentiaites itself from the CR7 in its soundstage and depth. The ZX9's > strength lies in its faithfulness to the source and differentiaites itself > from the CR7 in its depth , detail and awesome bass. While the 505 is > without built in test tones like its famous brethren its definitely no > slouch. I recall a recording I made on the 505 twenty years ago on a Teac > MDX metal cassette with my source being a fully loaded Linn LP12 playing a > Gino Vanelli audophile pressing the result being a perfect copy and when > played back today on the ZX9 the words phenomenol comes to mind. I wonder > what can be better?.......regrettably I have no first hand experience with > Nak's greats such as 1000's and 700's. > > Those with CR7's should be proud of their deck. Its an extremely good > machine but I dont consider it among the greats. It packs superb > technology > and was one of Naks answer to Revox's B215. But could you imagine CR7 > technology utilizing the classic Nak design? If they ever went there the > price would have out of reach of many Nakamichites. Punch-in recording is > one feature I love using and regrettably is not available on the newer > Sankyo design. > > >>From: Hi Tech >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? >>Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:00:13 -0500 >> >>Per, >> I have a huge bias :) towards old Naks. The CR 7 is a fine deck, but >>until you've seen what can be done with great bearings, massive >> flywheels, >>mic inputs, and exotic aesthetic design, you can't appreciate Nakamichi >> to >>the fullest. >>A case in point is the thread about the really old decks that Nakamichi >> was >>the OEM, such as the HK 1000. This deck was a single capstan mechanical >>mechanism that Nak had produced for 2 years at least. HK had them fit a >>better head on their deck, and it became the first machine to flirt with >>20kHz response. At that time cassettes were a joke in the US market, >> used >>for dictation, not for music. Nakamichi spent the money to build the 700 >>and 1000 3 head machines, and single-handedly made cassette a hifi >> medium. >>I love Nak because they also built for the little guys. The same OEM >>transport was put in the 500, and the portable 550, and later refined >> into >>the 600. Nak owners actually taped live music! >> One reason I appreciate the NakTalk community is that there are >> folks >>who have only heard the newer Nak decks and can still recognize that >> they >>deliver a special level of performance. Those of us who are jaded old >>timers have to some extent forgotten how spectacular the 700's adjustable >>record head 'tri-tracer" is/was. I suppose it would be fun to go head to >>head recording CD, with its extended bass and high volume treble, >> comparing >>a 700 with a CR7. I will see what I can do here. I will be repairing >>Jon's 700. I have a ZX9 and 680Z here now, but no CR7. I have some IMF >>TLS-80s at work here that I plan to set up in back for a critical >> listening >>system. Is anyone else able to compare the two decks? >> >>tom brucker >> >>At 10:57 PM 10/3/06 +0200, you wrote: >> >Thank you Tom for sharing your insight and thoughts about the different >> >breeds of Nakamichi with focus on heads and performance - As a >> >newcomer in this Nak world I read whatever you and the other experts >> >in this forum write - and enjoys it - even the stuff I do not >> understand >>:-) >> >My question here is: Where do the CR-7(E) fit in in terms of build AND >> >sound quality. Hi-Fi World's Davids Price seems to ranks it at the top: >> >http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html >> >Best Regards, Per >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Hi Tech" >> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:54 PM >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 482Z info (Hi Tech) >> > >> > >> >> Nakamichi heads: (NakNuts) >> >> As I dimly recall, when metal tape was introduced, Nakamichi claimed >>that >> >> the only heads they needed to redesign were the erase heads. The >>question >> >> is, did they manufacture the heads, or was that delegated to a 3rd >>party? >> >> While the BX1 head seems to be garden variety sendust, I have never >>seen >> >> crystalloy heads in other brands. Does anyone know the answer? >> >> In the 1000ZXL discussion the variable EQ was described. What >> Nak >> >> engineers did in all other decks was to match the record EQ (play >> being >> >> standardized), head shape (for flat low frequency), and tape type for >>flat >> >> response 20-20kHz. If you play with decks and oscillators you find >> many >> >> curious things. Specs of +-2dB are hardly flat, yet most Naks were >> well >> >> within this range. The curious bit is that at record levels above >>-20Vu, >> >> dynamic compression caused by magnetic non-linearities make most >>cassettes >> >> +-4dB or worse. I think you hear a refinement in the LX3 that >> combines >> >> improvements by the engineers in flatness above -20Vu. >> >> I never recall getting a bad head. I always used a T100 analyzer >>with >> >> a top frequency of 20kHz, so I really didn't observe "better heads" >> in >> >> practice. What I did see were very solid 20kHz R/P response as >> opposed >>to >> >> bouncy or wavering response, caused by tape skew and poor tape >>travelling. >> >> Many decks appeared better than others. I feel that head tilt has a >>huge >> >> influence on this performance parameter, but it could just as easily >> be >> >> head differences. >> >> The sales success of the BX series pused Nakamichi away from the >> high >> >> end, into the CR series. I suppose after the ZX9, 700,1000ZXL there >> is >> >> nothing more to add to state of the art, but I think this stagnated >> >> cassette engineering, and head engineering. Nakamichi became focused >> on >> >> digital, just as other analog companies did (Studer-Revox is the >> poster >> >> child) . >> >> >> >> tom brucker >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:11:52 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <4523C128.7050109 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Per, > > Which is the 'best' dish? Chateaubriand? Sushi? boeuf > stroganoff? Caviar? Brie on stone crackers? Swiss > chocolate? > > By the same token, there is no 'best' Nak deck. It > depends on taste, the features one needs/wants and > one's pocketbook. > > *To me*, the CR-7 fits among the 3-4 best Nak decks. > *To me* it's high up there. I think it sounds better > than the Dragon (a shade more 'transparent') and > records just as well. I do not need or want the > reversing capability or the extensive automation. > > The 1000ZXL may sound even better, but I don't really > know, since I have never heard them side by side. > > The CR-7 does have some weak points; transport > reliability (*not* performance) is one of them. But > I find that with proper maintenance every couple of > years (which is no big deal for me), my CR-7 is doing > just fine. I wouldn't replace it with the far more > expensive ZXL, with its purported unreliability. > > YMMV. (Actually, Your Mileage *WILL* vary.) > > -- Ron > > > > > > Per wrote: >> Thank you Tom for sharing your insight and thoughts about the different >> breeds of Nakamichi with focus on heads and performance - As a newcomer >> in this Nak world I read whatever you and the other experts >> in this forum write - and enjoys it - even the stuff I do not understand >> :-) >> My question here is: Where do the CR-7(E) fit in in terms of build AND >> sound quality. Hi-Fi World's Davids Price seems to ranks it at the top: >> http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html >> Best Regards, Per >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 482Z info (Hi Tech) >> >> >>> Nakamichi heads: (NakNuts) >>> As I dimly recall, when metal tape was introduced, Nakamichi claimed >>> that >>> the only heads they needed to redesign were the erase heads. The >>> question >>> is, did they manufacture the heads, or was that delegated to a 3rd >>> party? >>> While the BX1 head seems to be garden variety sendust, I have never >>> seen >>> crystalloy heads in other brands. Does anyone know the answer? >>> In the 1000ZXL discussion the variable EQ was described. What Nak >>> engineers did in all other decks was to match the record EQ (play being >>> standardized), head shape (for flat low frequency), and tape type for >>> flat >>> response 20-20kHz. If you play with decks and oscillators you find many >>> curious things. Specs of +-2dB are hardly flat, yet most Naks were well >>> within this range. The curious bit is that at record levels above >>> -20Vu, >>> dynamic compression caused by magnetic non-linearities make most >>> cassettes >>> +-4dB or worse. I think you hear a refinement in the LX3 that combines >>> improvements by the engineers in flatness above -20Vu. >>> I never recall getting a bad head. I always used a T100 analyzer >>> with >>> a top frequency of 20kHz, so I really didn't observe "better heads" in >>> practice. What I did see were very solid 20kHz R/P response as opposed >>> to >>> bouncy or wavering response, caused by tape skew and poor tape >>> travelling. >>> Many decks appeared better than others. I feel that head tilt has a >>> huge >>> influence on this performance parameter, but it could just as easily be >>> head differences. >>> The sales success of the BX series pused Nakamichi away from the high >>> end, into the CR series. I suppose after the ZX9, 700,1000ZXL there is >>> nothing more to add to state of the art, but I think this stagnated >>> cassette engineering, and head engineering. Nakamichi became focused on >>> digital, just as other analog companies did (Studer-Revox is the poster >>> child) . >>> >>> tom brucker > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:05:52 -0500 > From: Hi Tech > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Metal Capusul Cassette? > To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061004090552.00829c00 at earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Kermit, > i can find homes for the s45s and the signet cartridge if you would be > willing to sell for a profit. > That mmc2ocl will last a lifetime. The diamond is so well polished it > never > seems to exhibit wear. > the red lines are actually good sounding. They had funny wire floor stands > that gave them good bass, ala Dahlquist DQ 10s, but they were designed as > wall mounts. > I wonder if the maxell tapes were a response to TDK's aluminum housng? > > tom brucker > > >>Hi fellow Naktalkers, >> >>On a recent buying binge I picked up two "Maxell Metal Capsule 100" >>metal oxide cassettes -- and a new B&O MMC20CL cartridge for my B&O >>4004, B&O 2400 cassette deck to match my B&O 1900 receiver, another dead >>Nak 600-II for parts, a pair of Baby Advent speakers, an Ortofon X-1 MC >>cartridge, Grado Prestige Gold cartridge, five new headshells, several >>Quantegy reel-to-reel tapes, a Signet Mk 111E MC cartridge, B&O RL35 and >>S45 speakers, EPI speakers, and about fifty NOS valves/tubes (including >>a pair of rare Western Electric 262B!). It's official -- I'm broke now. >> >>I haven't tried the Maxell Metal Capsule 100 cassettes yet. Anyone ever >>hear of these? I can't decide what album to record on them! Augh! I hate >>indecision! Too many great albums, too few great blank tapes! >> >>-- >>Kermit Gray >>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>pro audio info! >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:19:54 +0000 > From: "Alex Cozac" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to > 1000ZXL! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Ali, > > YES...the 1000ZXL when WORKS WELL or as INTENDED...was the best sounding > cassette deck ever made! Honestly!!! > > I sincerely wish a good luck with your task to repair your acquired > 1000ZXL deck! > > Peace , > ALEX! > > > From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:27:58 -0400Subject: Re: > [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to 1000ZXL!To: > naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Per, The Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the BEST! of all Nakamichi Cassette > Deck ever made and also the most expensive at $3800! when new! The only > more expensive was the 1000 zxl limited mostly cosmetic wise , sound wise > it was the same as the 1000zxl . Are you ready for the cost of 1000 zxl > limited when new?!! $6000! in 1980s dollars! who know how much it would > cost in today's dollars. I have owned all top of the line Nakamichis > including Dragon, CR 7A , RX 505, LX 5. 700zxl , 680zx . Currently have > the Dragon, 1000zxl and cr 3a. Also have 2 speed BIC 3 head cassette deck > that sold for $ 850 when new, Revox B 710 Mk1 4 motors , 3head great > machine but nowhere near the 1000zxl. Thanks! > > Ali > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061004/33016265/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:57:23 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BALA PLS EMAIL ZERO VLOTAGE OFFSET PROCEDURE > FOR IC 301 , 1000ZXL THANKS! > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20061004155723.28361.qmail at web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Ali, > > Please take a look at the following web-page - > http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/technical.html > > As I always stress, work on it stage by stage. When you mention clean > music through an external CD source, I presume the input, meter circuits > and as the deck plays, the logic obviously works. > > Recording would result in a broken sound - because auto cal must be > performed. So try to get the machine working to play properly. > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > > BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: HI Bala, Can please let me know the > procedure sequence again to check for zero offset voltage at pins of IC > 301 , I will appreciate it as the email got lost in which you have > mentioned the pins to check on this IC. As mentioned in my first emails > no one has ever worked on this machine when I brought it , other than me > now! > > I have been patient! as I have still not done anything to the machine > electronic wise other than cleaning the terminals and repairing a couple > of solder traces on the main board which looked supsect me in the area > where the 4 plug in PCB are located. > > AS USUAL! MANY THANKS TO YOU BALA, KBY AND LP FOR TAKING TIME TO HELP ME > WITH MY 1000 ZXL WITH KIND HELP OF YOU NICE!:) GUYS I AM SURE THIS BEAUTY > WILL FINALLY BE FIXED!! WE WILL HAVE A PARTY!!:) > > Many Thanks! > > With Best Regards! > Ali > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done > faster. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061004/1d32663e/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 6 > ************************************** > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Oct 5 20:59:12 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:59:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] naks.mine.nu down? Message-ID: <6bddc1110610051159qc31080cse17c29d794741e09@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have any idea when naks.mine.nu is coming back up? I've been trying to dig up Nak 500 and 580M service manuals and am loathe to shell out $17 for an electronic copy ... -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 5 22:41:35 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:41:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naks.mine.nu down? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110610051159qc31080cse17c29d794741e09@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110610051159qc31080cse17c29d794741e09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45256DFF.6060003@rcn.com> Tim, I will email the 500 service manual shortly. I don't have the 580 service manual, but do have the owner's manual. Do let me know if you want it. -- Ron Tim Skorick wrote: > Anyone have any idea when naks.mine.nu is coming > back up? I've been trying to dig up Nak 500 and 580M service manuals > and am loathe to shell out $17 for an electronic copy ... > > -Tim From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 5 22:52:36 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:52:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <2850.86.129.67.186.1160046606.squirrel@webmail.libello.com> References: <200610041559.k94FxCCJ020730@zxe.naks.com> <2850.86.129.67.186.1160046606.squirrel@webmail.libello.com> Message-ID: <45257094.4080005@rcn.com> Fred, your comment on the CR-7 mechanical noise surprised me, as I have never felt the deck was noisy. So, I tested mine just now. With a cassette in play mode, I can't hear a thing until my ear is within 1/2" from the cassette and then, it's very faint. With no cassette in play mode (take up hub running at full speed) I can hear it up to abut 4" away, but then, this is not a realistic test. My gut feel is that your CR-7 was due for a routine service/tuneup. -- Ron fredmoss at libello.com wrote: > Hello guys, > I thought I would add my opinion to the what's best of the naks debat, > When I was. A collector of naks I had at the same time 1000zxl dragon > cr7e and 700zxe. Without any doubt the 1000zxl was the best providing > indistinguishable copies using metal tape, then cr7e which was pretty > close and finally dragon and 700zxe which were pretty close in sound > quality with each other but not in the same league as the top two. My test > was to record and playback on the same deck but I felt that the dragon > would play back much more accurately than it could record. One thing I > found slightly irritating with the cr7 was thAt the transport was > noisier than the older naks. > Fred > > >> Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >> naktalk at naks.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> naktalk-request at naks.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> naktalk-owner at naks.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >> >> >> Naktalk digest mailing list >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to 1000ZXL! >> (BOEING747600 at aol.com) >> 2. Contents of Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 4 (Howard Barker) >> 3. Re: Metal Capusul Cassette? (Tim Skorick) >> 4. Re: CR-7E The best sounding Nak? (boogie man) >> 5. Re: CR-7E The best sounding Nak? (Ron) >> 6. Re: Metal Capusul Cassette? (Hi Tech) >> 7. RE: CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to 1000ZXL! >> (Alex Cozac) >> 8. Re: BALA PLS EMAIL ZERO VLOTAGE OFFSET PROCEDURE FOR IC 301 , >> 1000ZXL THANKS! (Bala Ganesh Chandra) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:27:58 EDT >> From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to >> 1000ZXL! >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi Per, The Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the BEST! of all Nakamichi Cassette >> Deck >> ever made and also the most expensive at $3800! when new! The only more >> expensive was the 1000 zxl limited mostly cosmetic wise , sound wise it >> was the same >> as the 1000zxl . Are you ready for the cost of 1000 zxl limited when >> new?!! >> $6000! in 1980s dollars! who know how much it would cost in today's >> dollars. I >> have owned all top of the line Nakamichis including Dragon, CR 7A , RX >> 505, >> LX 5. 700zxl , 680zx . Currently have the Dragon, 1000zxl and cr 3a. Also >> have >> 2 speed BIC 3 head cassette deck that sold for $ 850 when new, Revox B 710 >> Mk1 >> 4 motors , 3head great machine but nowhere near the 1000zxl. Thanks! >> >> Ali >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061003/f0dd67a2/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:56:25 -0500 >> From: "Howard Barker" >> Subject: [naktalk] Contents of Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 4 >> To: >> Message-ID: <200610032256.k93MuSq1012641 at zxe.naks.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" >> >> Welcome back Kermit!! >> >> You are back, aren't you? >> >> Howie. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of naktalk-request at naks.com >> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:00 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 4 >> >> Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >> naktalk at naks.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> naktalk-request at naks.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> naktalk-owner at naks.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >> >> >> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:17:15 -0500 >> From: "Kermit V. Gray" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 600 >> To: tomas at tlec.se, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Message-ID: <4521BA1B.3080508 at woods-and-waters.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >> >> Hi Tomas, >> >> Tomas Larsson wrote: >>> Is a Nak 600 of any interest, might aquire one, just for fun. >> You betcha. It's my longtime favorite Nak. A true classic in every sense >> of >> the word, splendid sound, reliable and very, very cool. >> >>> With best regards >>> >>> Tomas Larsson >>> Sweden >>> http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >>> ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com >>> service. >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/461 - Release Date: 10/2/2006 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:49:03 -0500 >> From: "Tim Skorick" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Metal Capusul Cassette? >> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> >> Message-ID: >> <6bddc1110610031949t6201cd9bl9aa2f6c46c35e84c at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Heh - you could have cut out that whole first paragraph and saved me three >> minutes of drooling you know :-) >> >> Maxell Metal Capsules are no MAX-G, but they're tolerable compared to >> other >> manufacturer's latter-day offerings IMHO. I do, however, try to stay away >> from 100- and 110-minute length cassettes, the excessive tape length means >> the coating is thinner than on, for instance, 60-minute tapes, and the >> heavier reels make for unnecessary wear and tear on some tape deck motors. >> It is also said that the longer tape overall thickness suffers (9 µm?), >> making them much more susceptible to breakage and print-through, but I >> don't >> think this applies quite so much to metal tapes. >> >> You probably knew all that, just my $.02 >> >> -Tim >> >> On 10/3/06, Kermit V. Gray wrote: >>> Hi fellow Naktalkers, >>> >>> On a recent buying binge I picked up two "Maxell Metal Capsule 100" >>> metal oxide cassettes -- and a new B&O MMC20CL cartridge for my B&O >>> 4004, B&O 2400 cassette deck to match my B&O 1900 receiver, another dead >>> Nak 600-II for parts, a pair of Baby Advent speakers, an Ortofon X-1 MC >>> cartridge, Grado Prestige Gold cartridge, five new headshells, several >>> Quantegy reel-to-reel tapes, a Signet Mk 111E MC cartridge, B&O RL35 and >>> S45 speakers, EPI speakers, and about fifty NOS valves/tubes (including >>> a pair of rare Western Electric 262B!). It's official -- I'm broke now. >>> >>> I haven't tried the Maxell Metal Capsule 100 cassettes yet. Anyone ever >>> hear of these? I can't decide what album to record on them! Augh! I hate >>> indecision! Too many great albums, too few great blank tapes! >>> >>> -- >>> Kermit Gray >>> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>> pro audio info! >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061003/d23a4152/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:07:10 -0400 >> From: "boogie man" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >> >> I have owned CR7's, Dragons, ZX9's and 505's at the same time and I have >> to >> admit my preference is for the classic Nak design that's not on the CR7. >> Granted the CR7's have generated quite a following including David Price, >> my >> lsitening was done with a friend using the turntable and CD as sources. >> >> When the Dragon is properly set up, ite perfromance is incredible and it >> differentiaites itself from the CR7 in its soundstage and depth. The ZX9's >> strength lies in its faithfulness to the source and differentiaites itself >> from the CR7 in its depth , detail and awesome bass. While the 505 is >> without built in test tones like its famous brethren its definitely no >> slouch. I recall a recording I made on the 505 twenty years ago on a Teac >> MDX metal cassette with my source being a fully loaded Linn LP12 playing a >> Gino Vanelli audophile pressing the result being a perfect copy and when >> played back today on the ZX9 the words phenomenol comes to mind. I wonder >> what can be better?.......regrettably I have no first hand experience with >> Nak's greats such as 1000's and 700's. >> >> Those with CR7's should be proud of their deck. Its an extremely good >> machine but I dont consider it among the greats. It packs superb >> technology >> and was one of Naks answer to Revox's B215. But could you imagine CR7 >> technology utilizing the classic Nak design? If they ever went there the >> price would have out of reach of many Nakamichites. Punch-in recording is >> one feature I love using and regrettably is not available on the newer >> Sankyo design. >> >> >>> From: Hi Tech >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? >>> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:00:13 -0500 >>> >>> Per, >>> I have a huge bias :) towards old Naks. The CR 7 is a fine deck, but >>> until you've seen what can be done with great bearings, massive >>> flywheels, >>> mic inputs, and exotic aesthetic design, you can't appreciate Nakamichi >>> to >>> the fullest. >>> A case in point is the thread about the really old decks that Nakamichi >>> was >>> the OEM, such as the HK 1000. This deck was a single capstan mechanical >>> mechanism that Nak had produced for 2 years at least. HK had them fit a >>> better head on their deck, and it became the first machine to flirt with >>> 20kHz response. At that time cassettes were a joke in the US market, >>> used >>> for dictation, not for music. Nakamichi spent the money to build the 700 >>> and 1000 3 head machines, and single-handedly made cassette a hifi >>> medium. >>> I love Nak because they also built for the little guys. The same OEM >>> transport was put in the 500, and the portable 550, and later refined >>> into >>> the 600. Nak owners actually taped live music! >>> One reason I appreciate the NakTalk community is that there are >>> folks >>> who have only heard the newer Nak decks and can still recognize that >>> they >>> deliver a special level of performance. Those of us who are jaded old >>> timers have to some extent forgotten how spectacular the 700's adjustable >>> record head 'tri-tracer" is/was. I suppose it would be fun to go head to >>> head recording CD, with its extended bass and high volume treble, >>> comparing >>> a 700 with a CR7. I will see what I can do here. I will be repairing >>> Jon's 700. I have a ZX9 and 680Z here now, but no CR7. I have some IMF >>> TLS-80s at work here that I plan to set up in back for a critical >>> listening >>> system. Is anyone else able to compare the two decks? >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> At 10:57 PM 10/3/06 +0200, you wrote: >>>> Thank you Tom for sharing your insight and thoughts about the different >>>> breeds of Nakamichi with focus on heads and performance - As a >>>> newcomer in this Nak world I read whatever you and the other experts >>>> in this forum write - and enjoys it - even the stuff I do not >>> understand >>> :-) >>>> My question here is: Where do the CR-7(E) fit in in terms of build AND >>>> sound quality. Hi-Fi World's Davids Price seems to ranks it at the top: >>>> http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html >>>> Best Regards, Per >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Hi Tech" >>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 482Z info (Hi Tech) >>>> >>>> >>>>> Nakamichi heads: (NakNuts) >>>>> As I dimly recall, when metal tape was introduced, Nakamichi claimed >>> that >>>>> the only heads they needed to redesign were the erase heads. The >>> question >>>>> is, did they manufacture the heads, or was that delegated to a 3rd >>> party? >>>>> While the BX1 head seems to be garden variety sendust, I have never >>> seen >>>>> crystalloy heads in other brands. Does anyone know the answer? >>>>> In the 1000ZXL discussion the variable EQ was described. What >>> Nak >>>>> engineers did in all other decks was to match the record EQ (play >>> being >>>>> standardized), head shape (for flat low frequency), and tape type for >>> flat >>>>> response 20-20kHz. If you play with decks and oscillators you find >>> many >>>>> curious things. Specs of +-2dB are hardly flat, yet most Naks were >>> well >>>>> within this range. The curious bit is that at record levels above >>> -20Vu, >>>>> dynamic compression caused by magnetic non-linearities make most >>> cassettes >>>>> +-4dB or worse. I think you hear a refinement in the LX3 that >>> combines >>>>> improvements by the engineers in flatness above -20Vu. >>>>> I never recall getting a bad head. I always used a T100 analyzer >>> with >>>>> a top frequency of 20kHz, so I really didn't observe "better heads" >>> in >>>>> practice. What I did see were very solid 20kHz R/P response as >>> opposed >>> to >>>>> bouncy or wavering response, caused by tape skew and poor tape >>> travelling. >>>>> Many decks appeared better than others. I feel that head tilt has a >>> huge >>>>> influence on this performance parameter, but it could just as easily >>> be >>>>> head differences. >>>>> The sales success of the BX series pused Nakamichi away from the >>> high >>>>> end, into the CR series. I suppose after the ZX9, 700,1000ZXL there >>> is >>>>> nothing more to add to state of the art, but I think this stagnated >>>>> cassette engineering, and head engineering. Nakamichi became focused >>> on >>>>> digital, just as other analog companies did (Studer-Revox is the >>> poster >>>>> child) . >>>>> >>>>> tom brucker >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> Tom Brucker CSM >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:11:52 -0400 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <4523C128.7050109 at rcn.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> Per, >> >> Which is the 'best' dish? Chateaubriand? Sushi? boeuf >> stroganoff? Caviar? Brie on stone crackers? Swiss >> chocolate? >> >> By the same token, there is no 'best' Nak deck. It >> depends on taste, the features one needs/wants and >> one's pocketbook. >> >> *To me*, the CR-7 fits among the 3-4 best Nak decks. >> *To me* it's high up there. I think it sounds better >> than the Dragon (a shade more 'transparent') and >> records just as well. I do not need or want the >> reversing capability or the extensive automation. >> >> The 1000ZXL may sound even better, but I don't really >> know, since I have never heard them side by side. >> >> The CR-7 does have some weak points; transport >> reliability (*not* performance) is one of them. But >> I find that with proper maintenance every couple of >> years (which is no big deal for me), my CR-7 is doing >> just fine. I wouldn't replace it with the far more >> expensive ZXL, with its purported unreliability. >> >> YMMV. (Actually, Your Mileage *WILL* vary.) >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> Per wrote: >>> Thank you Tom for sharing your insight and thoughts about the different >>> breeds of Nakamichi with focus on heads and performance - As a newcomer >>> in this Nak world I read whatever you and the other experts >>> in this forum write - and enjoys it - even the stuff I do not understand >>> :-) >>> My question here is: Where do the CR-7(E) fit in in terms of build AND >>> sound quality. Hi-Fi World's Davids Price seems to ranks it at the top: >>> http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html >>> Best Regards, Per >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 482Z info (Hi Tech) >>> >>> >>>> Nakamichi heads: (NakNuts) >>>> As I dimly recall, when metal tape was introduced, Nakamichi claimed >>>> that >>>> the only heads they needed to redesign were the erase heads. The >>>> question >>>> is, did they manufacture the heads, or was that delegated to a 3rd >>>> party? >>>> While the BX1 head seems to be garden variety sendust, I have never >>>> seen >>>> crystalloy heads in other brands. Does anyone know the answer? >>>> In the 1000ZXL discussion the variable EQ was described. What Nak >>>> engineers did in all other decks was to match the record EQ (play being >>>> standardized), head shape (for flat low frequency), and tape type for >>>> flat >>>> response 20-20kHz. If you play with decks and oscillators you find many >>>> curious things. Specs of +-2dB are hardly flat, yet most Naks were well >>>> within this range. The curious bit is that at record levels above >>>> -20Vu, >>>> dynamic compression caused by magnetic non-linearities make most >>>> cassettes >>>> +-4dB or worse. I think you hear a refinement in the LX3 that combines >>>> improvements by the engineers in flatness above -20Vu. >>>> I never recall getting a bad head. I always used a T100 analyzer >>>> with >>>> a top frequency of 20kHz, so I really didn't observe "better heads" in >>>> practice. What I did see were very solid 20kHz R/P response as opposed >>>> to >>>> bouncy or wavering response, caused by tape skew and poor tape >>>> travelling. >>>> Many decks appeared better than others. I feel that head tilt has a >>>> huge >>>> influence on this performance parameter, but it could just as easily be >>>> head differences. >>>> The sales success of the BX series pused Nakamichi away from the high >>>> end, into the CR series. I suppose after the ZX9, 700,1000ZXL there is >>>> nothing more to add to state of the art, but I think this stagnated >>>> cassette engineering, and head engineering. Nakamichi became focused on >>>> digital, just as other analog companies did (Studer-Revox is the poster >>>> child) . >>>> >>>> tom brucker >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:05:52 -0500 >> From: Hi Tech >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Metal Capusul Cassette? >> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061004090552.00829c00 at earthlink.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Kermit, >> i can find homes for the s45s and the signet cartridge if you would be >> willing to sell for a profit. >> That mmc2ocl will last a lifetime. The diamond is so well polished it >> never >> seems to exhibit wear. >> the red lines are actually good sounding. They had funny wire floor stands >> that gave them good bass, ala Dahlquist DQ 10s, but they were designed as >> wall mounts. >> I wonder if the maxell tapes were a response to TDK's aluminum housng? >> >> tom brucker >> >> >>> Hi fellow Naktalkers, >>> >>> On a recent buying binge I picked up two "Maxell Metal Capsule 100" >>> metal oxide cassettes -- and a new B&O MMC20CL cartridge for my B&O >>> 4004, B&O 2400 cassette deck to match my B&O 1900 receiver, another dead >>> Nak 600-II for parts, a pair of Baby Advent speakers, an Ortofon X-1 MC >>> cartridge, Grado Prestige Gold cartridge, five new headshells, several >>> Quantegy reel-to-reel tapes, a Signet Mk 111E MC cartridge, B&O RL35 and >>> S45 speakers, EPI speakers, and about fifty NOS valves/tubes (including >>> a pair of rare Western Electric 262B!). It's official -- I'm broke now. >>> >>> I haven't tried the Maxell Metal Capsule 100 cassettes yet. Anyone ever >>> hear of these? I can't decide what album to record on them! Augh! I hate >>> indecision! Too many great albums, too few great blank tapes! >>> >>> -- >>> Kermit Gray >>> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/techlibrary.html for recording and >>> pro audio info! >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:19:54 +0000 >> From: "Alex Cozac" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to >> 1000ZXL! >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Ali, >> >> YES...the 1000ZXL when WORKS WELL or as INTENDED...was the best sounding >> cassette deck ever made! Honestly!!! >> >> I sincerely wish a good luck with your task to repair your acquired >> 1000ZXL deck! >> >> Peace , >> ALEX! >> >> >> From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:27:58 -0400Subject: Re: >> [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? That prize goes to 1000ZXL!To: >> naktalk at naks.com >> >> Hi Per, The Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the BEST! of all Nakamichi Cassette >> Deck ever made and also the most expensive at $3800! when new! The only >> more expensive was the 1000 zxl limited mostly cosmetic wise , sound wise >> it was the same as the 1000zxl . Are you ready for the cost of 1000 zxl >> limited when new?!! $6000! in 1980s dollars! who know how much it would >> cost in today's dollars. I have owned all top of the line Nakamichis >> including Dragon, CR 7A , RX 505, LX 5. 700zxl , 680zx . Currently have >> the Dragon, 1000zxl and cr 3a. Also have 2 speed BIC 3 head cassette deck >> that sold for $ 850 when new, Revox B 710 Mk1 4 motors , 3head great >> machine but nowhere near the 1000zxl. Thanks! >> >> Ali >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061004/33016265/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:57:23 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BALA PLS EMAIL ZERO VLOTAGE OFFSET PROCEDURE >> FOR IC 301 , 1000ZXL THANKS! >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <20061004155723.28361.qmail at web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Dear Ali, >> >> Please take a look at the following web-page - >> http://www.geocities.com/bg_3911/technical.html >> >> As I always stress, work on it stage by stage. When you mention clean >> music through an external CD source, I presume the input, meter circuits >> and as the deck plays, the logic obviously works. >> >> Recording would result in a broken sound - because auto cal must be >> performed. So try to get the machine working to play properly. >> >> Best Regards >> Bala Ganesh >> >> BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: HI Bala, Can please let me know the >> procedure sequence again to check for zero offset voltage at pins of IC >> 301 , I will appreciate it as the email got lost in which you have >> mentioned the pins to check on this IC. As mentioned in my first emails >> no one has ever worked on this machine when I brought it , other than me >> now! >> >> I have been patient! as I have still not done anything to the machine >> electronic wise other than cleaning the terminals and repairing a couple >> of solder traces on the main board which looked supsect me in the area >> where the 4 plug in PCB are located. >> >> AS USUAL! MANY THANKS TO YOU BALA, KBY AND LP FOR TAKING TIME TO HELP ME >> WITH MY 1000 ZXL WITH KIND HELP OF YOU NICE!:) GUYS I AM SURE THIS BEAUTY >> WILL FINALLY BE FIXED!! WE WILL HAVE A PARTY!!:) >> >> Many Thanks! >> >> With Best Regards! >> Ali From tomas at tlec.se Thu Oct 5 23:17:19 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:17:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] naks.mine.nu down? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110610051159qc31080cse17c29d794741e09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm surprised as well, now I'm looking into it, and try to find out what happened. Will come back with the result. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tim Skorick > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:59 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] naks.mine.nu down? > > Anyone have any idea when naks.mine.nu is coming back up? > I've been trying to dig up Nak 500 and 580M service manuals > and am loathe to shell out $17 for an electronic copy ... > > -Tim > > From tomas at tlec.se Thu Oct 5 23:28:23 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:28:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] naks.mine.nu down? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110610051159qc31080cse17c29d794741e09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well its up and running now. STUPID ME. So what happened, well I did enable htaccess, and that created a problem obviously. But it's sorted now, (htaccess istill enabled though). Sorry for the problems I caused. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tim Skorick > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:59 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] naks.mine.nu down? > > Anyone have any idea when naks.mine.nu is coming back up? > I've been trying to dig up Nak 500 and 580M service manuals > and am loathe to shell out $17 for an electronic copy ... > > -Tim > > From gvgeoffward at yahoo.com Thu Oct 5 22:07:03 2006 From: gvgeoffward at yahoo.com (Geoff Ward) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? Message-ID: <20061005200703.49824.qmail@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi, I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from those who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. I recently discovered while cleaning out the attic of the house I recently purchased a collection of old records...most of which are 78 RPM. They appear to be in excellent condition, and many include colorful boxes that also appear original. The records date from the mid 40's. Any idea where I might find out what value these have? I would love to sell them to a collector who could enjoy them. Thanks for any and all help, Geoff Northern CA --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron mentioned in his mail I should see 12V at the motor when PB buttons are pressed but I see only 6V. Hmmm? Thank you. Raghu Ron wrote: Stephen's advice was good. If the deck powers up, yet there is no response from the 'little motor' (actually, 'control motor') when transport PBs (PLAY, FF, REW, etc.) are pressed, it's highly likely that the control motor should be rebuilt. That's a fairly easy job (at least, for the second time that you do it). Before taking out the motor, though, first check to make sure that +12V gets to the motor. To do that, press transport PBs and measure the voltage across the motor lugs. If 12VDC, the motor should be rebuilt. If zero, the problem is in the logic or power supply. -- Ron Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > Hi All, > > I am new to Naktalk. > > I recently picked up a CR-2A. It looks good cosmetically but however, > doesn't do anything other than powering up. The gentleman who gave it to > me said all it needs is lubrication/servicing and it should be alright. > > I cleaned the 3 contacts driven by little motor with worm drive shaft > that drives a plastic cam. Still no luck. > > I came across this posting in sci.electronics.repair via google search > > *Problem (identical to mine):* > "I own a Nakamichi CR-2A cassette deck, which has been used very little > since > new (great shape, no sign of wear). > None of the transport buttons work at all. When the deck is tuned on the > green > light over the play button is illuminated. The light will briefly go out if > either the rewind or FF buttons are pushed, and then come back on. > That's it, > no tape movement!" > > *Suggestion by Stephen Sank: > *"You just need to take apart the mechanism mode drive motor, the little > one > with the worm drive shaft, and clean & lub the brushes & commutator. > Pretty > easy job." > > There is no response from the original poster for Sank's suggestion. > > I am contemplating on whether or not to open the motor. If the motor is > an issue, I don't have a choice anyway. I see around 6 volts coming to > the motor when I press play, rew or FF buttons but it doesn't budge. So > I am inclined to think it is the motor. > > Any suggestions? > > I don't have a service manual. Please email me one to 'yedatore at gmail > dot com' if anyone has a soft copy. > > Thank you all in advance. > > Raghu --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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I rescue them whenever I can, but the general public doesn't value them. Just last week, I rescued a bunch of 1930s-era library-cased 78s... all nearly mint... from the dumpster outside the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some twit just heaved them into the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad part is that they appeared to have been unplayed & apart from some mold on the cases, mint condition prior to being heaved. I can't imagine what special variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski, Ormandy, Toscanini, and the like. I strongly suggest you transfer them for yourself since many of the performances there never made it to LP, and what few did make it to LP never made it to CD. Preserve the history, 'cause once it is gone, it is gone forever. Nak content: if we don't remain vigilant, much otherwise excellent Nak gear will meet a similar fate. Don't think so? Not a month ago, a cousin gave me an Aiwa F-770 machine with the comment "does anyone actually use cassettes anymore??" Well... I sure do! Then there was the time I found a Marantz 7T, a 15, and a 10B put out for bulk trash pickup.... 'Nuff Said, Ben From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Oct 6 01:29:06 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:29:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? Message-ID: <29DAD062-2456-49F4-B2E4-7FCCF1AFB6CA@alumni.caltech.edu> > I picked up a mint-condition CR-1A from the local Salvation Army for > all of $10. ... > Then there was the time I found a Marantz 7T, a 15, and a 10B put out > for bulk trash pickup.... > > 'Nuff Said, > Ben Wish I lived where you do. I mostly see BPC (black plastic c*** for those who haven't spent time on AudioKarma), except for some turntables, at my local goodwill; SA is even less appealing for the most part.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 6 03:07:15 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:07:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor rebuilding question In-Reply-To: <20061005213801.22848.qmail@web51013.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061005213801.22848.qmail@web51013.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4525AC43.1010203@rcn.com> Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > Phew! I got the control motor out of the mechanism. > > How do I get the worm off the rotor shaft? Can I just pull the worm gently? No need to remove it. > There is a ceramic capacitor that says 104 (don't remember the color > coding) soldered to '+' and '-' connectors, should I replace it? 104 = 0.01uF. No reason to replace it unless it's bad (unlikely). > I can tell that this motor has been rebuilt before. The two small > cutouts at the bottom of the motor and part of the outershell has pry > markings. So not sure if it can be rebuilt again. It's possible it can be rebuilt again. Once you open it up, clean the commutator and brushes. If there's still enough metal left, it should work fine. > If need be where I can buy a new motor from? > > Ron mentioned in his mail I should see 12V at the motor when PB buttons > are pressed but I see only 6V. Hmmm? Mia culpa. The driver chip gets 12V. The motor should get anywhere from 6.5V to 7.5V. 6V is kinda low, but still, I doubt it's a problem. -- Ron > > Thank you. > > Raghu > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Stephen's advice was good. If the deck powers up, > yet there is no response from the 'little motor' > (actually, 'control motor') when transport PBs > (PLAY, FF, REW, etc.) are pressed, it's highly > likely that the control motor should be rebuilt. > That's a fairly easy job (at least, for the second > time that you do it). > > Before taking out the motor, though, first check to > make sure that +12V gets to the motor. To do that, > press transport PBs and measure the voltage across > the motor lugs. If 12VDC, the motor should be > rebuilt. If zero, the problem is in the logic or > power supply. > > -- Ron > > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I am new to Naktalk. > > > > I recently picked up a CR-2A. It looks good cosmetically but > however, > > doesn't do anything other than powering up. The gentleman who > gave it to > > me said all it needs is lubrication/servicing and it should be > alright. > > > > I cleaned the 3 contacts driven by little motor with worm drive > shaft > > that drives a plastic cam. Still no luck. > > > > I came across this posting in sci.electronics.repair via google > search > > > > *Problem (identical to mine):* > > "I own a Nakamichi CR-2A cassette deck, which has been used very > little > > since > > new (great shape, no sign of wear). > > None of the transport buttons work at all. When the deck is tuned > on the > > green > > light over the play button is illuminated. The light will briefly > go out if > > either the rewind or FF buttons are pushed, and then come back on. > > That's it, > > no tape movement!" > > > > *Suggestion by Stephen Sank: > > *"You just need to take apart the mechanism mode drive motor, the > little > > one > > with the worm drive shaft, and clean & lub the brushes & commutator. > > Pretty > > easy job." > > > > There is no response from the original poster for Sank's suggestion. > > > > I am contemplating on whether or not to open the motor. If the > motor is > > an issue, I don't have a choice anyway. I see around 6 volts > coming to > > the motor when I press play, rew or FF buttons but it doesn't > budge. So > > I am inclined to think it is the motor. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > I don't have a service manual. Please email me one to 'yedatore > at gmail > > dot com' if anyone has a soft copy. > > > > Thank you all in advance. > > > > Raghu From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Oct 6 03:46:03 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:46:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: <20061005200703.49824.qmail@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <20061005200703.49824.qmail@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0207CAD6-7BC3-4358-96FA-24970777EE34@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Geoff, http://nfo.net/lnx/lfonhist.html will give you an excellent place to start putting a value on the 78 records. As others have advised, make a recording of them before you sell them. I record my 78 rpm disc collection onto my Nak 500 to take advantage of its recording limiter. I use a Dual 1218 turntable and either a Shure M95ED with the 78-rpm stylus, a ADC QLM32 with 78 rpm stylus or Stanton 500EEE cartridge with truncated elliptical stylus, along with a custom-made KVG Labs 76VQ archival phono preamp that has continuously variable record EQ curves. Sometimes I use a Shure Audiomaster or a McCurdy 1664 EQ module to tweak the sound further. 78s aren't recorded with the same EQ as an LP; they'll sound awful if played by with RIAA EQ, so you need a preamp . http://www.kabusa.com/ frameset.htm?/index.htm sells many great accessories and gear for re- recording 78s onto your Nakamichi tape deck. Technics and Thorens make excellent new turntables with 78 rpm speeds. So does Numark and Gemini but your Nakamichi deserves a better source than these cheesy turntables! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray On Oct 5, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Geoff Ward wrote: > Hi, > I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from those > who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. > > I recently discovered while cleaning out the attic of the house I > recently purchased a collection of old records...most of which are > 78 RPM. They appear to be in excellent condition, and many include > colorful boxes that also appear original. The records date from the > mid 40's. > > Any idea where I might find out what value these have? I would love > to sell them to a collector who could enjoy them. > > Thanks for any and all help, > Geoff > Northern CA > > All-new Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061005175551.05619b90@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <20061006022443.37892.qmail@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, I think most of the members would remember the story of how I rescued a G36 for a recycling dump. Passed by and saw a foreign worker tearing apart one of them for their motor coils and iron, tubes smashed up. Came back at night, and heaved one '36 back home. It worked without needing a single repair. What I left behind were 7 Garrard 401s and 301s, Revox A77s, PR99s and two more G36s. Were gone the next day. Could only hope that someone else rescued these things... Best Regards Bala Ganesh Ben Torre wrote: At 04:07 PM 10/5/06, you wrote: >I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from those >who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. I picked up a mint-condition CR-1A from the local Salvation Army for all of $10. Didn't need even the slightest amount of work. It now sits in the Nak system I rigged up for the ladyfriend with a 410, 420, and 430. (It's still mine, but I let her borrow it... made that point crystal clear!) 78s.... I rescue them whenever I can, but the general public doesn't value them. Just last week, I rescued a bunch of 1930s-era library-cased 78s... all nearly mint... from the dumpster outside the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some twit just heaved them into the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad part is that they appeared to have been unplayed & apart from some mold on the cases, mint condition prior to being heaved. I can't imagine what special variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski, Ormandy, Toscanini, and the like. I strongly suggest you transfer them for yourself since many of the performances there never made it to LP, and what few did make it to LP never made it to CD. Preserve the history, 'cause once it is gone, it is gone forever. Nak content: if we don't remain vigilant, much otherwise excellent Nak gear will meet a similar fate. Don't think so? Not a month ago, a cousin gave me an Aiwa F-770 machine with the comment "does anyone actually use cassettes anymore??" Well... I sure do! Then there was the time I found a Marantz 7T, a 15, and a 10B put out for bulk trash pickup.... 'Nuff Said, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Oct 6 09:05:04 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:05:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these?? In-Reply-To: <200610052149.k95LmhD5032146@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Geoff If you can tell me which records you possess, i would be interested. Let me know Best regards Soumi >From: Geoff Ward >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on >whereto sell these?? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:07:03 -0700 (PDT) >Hi, >I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from those who do. >Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. > >I recently discovered while cleaning out the attic of the house I recently >purchased a collection of old records...most of which are 78 RPM. They >appear to be in excellent condition, and many include colorful boxes that >also appear original. The records date from the mid 40's. > >Any idea where I might find out what value these have? I would love to sell >them to a collector who could enjoy them. > >Thanks for any and all help, >Geoff >Northern CA > > >--------------------------------- > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done >faster. >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] naks.mine.nu down? 500 #2 & #3 >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:39:09 -0400 > ><< Nak500_ServiceMan3.pdf >> ><< Nak500_ServiceMan2.pdf >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Tried the new MSN Messenger? It�s cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Oct 6 09:09:18 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:09:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A proposal In-Reply-To: <200610052149.k95LmhD5032146@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all I have to say ive learnt a lot from this list and enjoyed tapes and my Nak a lot thanks to the valuable inputs by loads of fellow nakkers. I was thinking of setting up and hosting a PHPBB forum, where everybody can post and read online as well .. besides having the sticky feature where important reference articles can be kept for easy reference instead of asking them all the time .... and also ensuring that a problem, whose solution has already been posted sometime ago may be available to others to reference. We can continue the daily communication via this messageboard. Let me know if this is of any interest. Best Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Sexy, sultry, sensuous. - see why Bipasha Basu is all that and more. Try MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/Profile/bipashabasu.asp From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Fri Oct 6 09:24:44 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:24:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these? In-Reply-To: <200610052151.k95Lo5fr032163@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20061006072444.78766.qmail@web27408.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Geoff I use GEMM.COM a lot for buying rare music. Just checked their site and lots of 78's are for sale. I'm not sure how to set yourself up as a seller but if you have such rare music, I'm sure it will be worth a bit more research on that site. Good luck! Chris From gvgeoffward at yahoo.com Fri Oct 6 01:00:23 2006 From: gvgeoffward at yahoo.com (Geoff Ward) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061005175551.05619b90@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <20061005230023.87000.qmail@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Would transfer if I could...have a very high end turntable but it only spins at 33 and 45 RPM. And no proper 78 RPM cartridge / needle combo either. Would hate to cuase damage as all of these records look to be inn great shape. Agree with preserving them...that's the reason for the risk of an off topic post. So much material is lost because no time is taken to preserve it. Can't believe you found those in a dumpster!! What a waste had you not found them... Ben Torre wrote: At 04:07 PM 10/5/06, you wrote: >I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from those >who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. I picked up a mint-condition CR-1A from the local Salvation Army for all of $10. Didn't need even the slightest amount of work. It now sits in the Nak system I rigged up for the ladyfriend with a 410, 420, and 430. (It's still mine, but I let her borrow it... made that point crystal clear!) 78s.... I rescue them whenever I can, but the general public doesn't value them. Just last week, I rescued a bunch of 1930s-era library-cased 78s... all nearly mint... from the dumpster outside the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some twit just heaved them into the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad part is that they appeared to have been unplayed & apart from some mold on the cases, mint condition prior to being heaved. I can't imagine what special variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski, Ormandy, Toscanini, and the like. I strongly suggest you transfer them for yourself since many of the performances there never made it to LP, and what few did make it to LP never made it to CD. Preserve the history, 'cause once it is gone, it is gone forever. Nak content: if we don't remain vigilant, much otherwise excellent Nak gear will meet a similar fate. Don't think so? Not a month ago, a cousin gave me an Aiwa F-770 machine with the comment "does anyone actually use cassettes anymore??" Well... I sure do! Then there was the time I found a Marantz 7T, a 15, and a 10B put out for bulk trash pickup.... 'Nuff Said, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From btorre at ix.netcom.com Fri Oct 6 01:43:44 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:43:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Styling - who did it? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061005193657.0361aeb0@ix.netcom.com> Gents; Does anyone know who did the styling/packaging for the Nak gear? Was there a special department for this, or was it taken on by the engineers with certain corporate guidelines? I always loved the overall styling of both Nak and Marantz (of the golden age). I do know that Saul Marantz was a collector of Japanese art and an authority on the subject. In fact, one of the first things that drew me to the Nak 700 was the very simple styling that blended well with by old Marantz components. It just seemed like they belonged together. Ben From emberphoto at hotmail.com Fri Oct 6 01:44:24 2006 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:44:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestionon where to sell these?? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Oct 6 07:22:52 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:22:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk confession Message-ID: Dear Naktalk, It has been a long time since my last confession. I promised a NAk 500 to a esteemed member of naktalk 2 weeks ago, but have been to ensnared in my own trivialities to make good on that oath. For my penitence, I promise to send the Nak out to Canada as promised in the most expedient fashion. I'm sorry Dennis Orr. By the way, I think its a great idea to offer the Donated Naks up the way I did it- for a donation to Naktalk . That way the donation goes along way towards helping everyone on Naktalk. -- From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Oct 6 04:17:35 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:17:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061005175551.05619b90@ix.netcom.com> References: <20061005200703.49824.qmail@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061005175551.05619b90@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:09:00 -0400, Ben Torre wrote: >Just last week, I rescued a bunch of 1930s-era >library-cased 78s... all nearly mint... from the dumpster outside >the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some twit just heaved them into >the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad part is that they appeared to >have been unplayed & apart from some mold on the cases, mint >condition prior to being heaved. I can't imagine what special >variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski, Ormandy, Toscanini, and the like. Someone who know someone who has celebral paulsy? Playing records manually would be tough for someone with celebral paulsy. -Mikkel From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Oct 6 10:52:16 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:52:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A proposal In-Reply-To: <200610060706.k96760mF002696@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Not to mention that important links and attachments can be preserved as well. Best Soumi _________________________________________________________________ NRIs: Send Money FREE! Go ahead and register now! http://ads.mediaturf.net/event.ng/Type=click&FlightID=20273&AdID=65989&TargetID=11172&Targets=11172&Values=202,414,1093,1264,3122&Redirect=http:%2F%2Fwww.icicinri.net%2Fmoney2india%2F%3Fm2i%3DBAC-MSN%26att%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR%26rfr%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Oct 6 10:58:41 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:58:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell the In-Reply-To: <200610060706.k96760mF002696@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Talking about history, I read this article in Popular Mechanics and the website also has it. Check it out : http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/jay_leno_garage/3475911.html Regards Soumi >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on >whereto sell these?? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:24:43 -0700 (PDT) >Hi guys, > > I think most of the members would remember the story of how I >rescued a G36 for a recycling dump. Passed by and saw a foreign worker >tearing apart one of them for their motor coils and iron, tubes smashed up. > >Came back at night, and heaved one '36 back home. It worked without needing >a single repair. What I left behind were 7 Garrard 401s and 301s, Revox >A77s, PR99s and two more G36s. Were gone the next day. Could only hope that >someone else rescued these things... > >Best Regards >Bala Ganesh > >Ben Torre wrote: At 04:07 PM 10/5/06, you wrote: > >I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from those > >who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. > >I picked up a mint-condition CR-1A from the local Salvation Army for >all of $10. Didn't need even the slightest amount of work. It now >sits in the Nak system I rigged up for the ladyfriend with a 410, >420, and 430. (It's still mine, but I let her borrow it... made >that point crystal clear!) > >78s.... I rescue them whenever I can, but the general public doesn't >value them. Just last week, I rescued a bunch of 1930s-era >library-cased 78s... all nearly mint... from the dumpster outside >the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some twit just heaved them into >the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad part is that they appeared to >have been unplayed & apart from some mold on the cases, mint >condition prior to being heaved. I can't imagine what special >variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski, Ormandy, Toscanini, and the like. > >I strongly suggest you transfer them for yourself since many of the >performances there never made it to LP, and what few did make it to >LP never made it to CD. Preserve the history, 'cause once it is >gone, it is gone forever. > >Nak content: if we don't remain vigilant, much otherwise excellent >Nak gear will meet a similar fate. Don't think so? Not a month ago, >a cousin gave me an Aiwa F-770 machine with the comment "does anyone >actually use cassettes anymore??" Well... I sure do! > >Then there was the time I found a Marantz 7T, a 15, and a 10B put out >for bulk trash pickup.... > >'Nuff Said, >Ben > _________________________________________________________________ Discover. Explore. Connect-Windows Live Spaces. Check out! http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/livespaces.asp From btorre at ix.netcom.com Fri Oct 6 10:37:51 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:37:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: <29DAD062-2456-49F4-B2E4-7FCCF1AFB6CA@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <29DAD062-2456-49F4-B2E4-7FCCF1AFB6CA@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061006035201.03ccc9f0@ix.netcom.com> At 07:29 PM 10/5/06, you wrote: >I mostly see BPC (black plastic c*** for those who haven't spent >time on AudioKarma), except for some turntables, at my local goodwill; SA is >even less appealing for the most part.-kby Timing is everything. You have to hit those places whenever they get deliveries. Most everything they get in as donations goes to a regional point for basic determination of what they can sell or have to trash. (things like cribs or car seats typically are trashed since they can't keep up with the product recalls, etc.) The people who work there are pretty cool about telling you what the delivery schedule is. You really have to hit several SA/Goodwill stores in a given area. You can't hang out at just one. Keep in mind that most everything SA or Goodwill gets are either estate sale remains or yard sale leftovers that get sent to them rather than put out for bulk trash pickup... and most people are too lazy to donate to them because they don't want to call them up or drive the stuff to them. Further upstream is where the really good stuff is, and that means the estate sales or the yard sales in the better areas. Never underestimate greedy children that want to cash-out on deceased relatives. If you see the old photo albums in the trash receptacles, that pretty well tells you what kind of people you are dealing with. Whatever you do, don't forget that some of the best freebie hunting grounds are apartments when the leases turn over. (typically June which is when people seem to move - few want to load up a U-Haul in the snow) Rather than making an extra trip to lug things like antiquated stereo gear, many would rather just dumpster it right there. I can't begin to tell you how much great stuff I've pulled out of apartment house dumpsters. From btorre at ix.netcom.com Fri Oct 6 12:03:22 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 06:03:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: References: <20061005200703.49824.qmail@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061005175551.05619b90@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061006050420.03cedc40@ix.netcom.com> At 10:17 PM 10/5/06, you wrote: >Playing records manually would be tough for someone with celebral paulsy. I suspect they were leftovers from a kind of monthly rummage sale the center has. Like Salvation Army, they get donations in and dumpster the stuff that doesn't sell. They also seemed to be doing a remodeling of the facility, so there were a lot of building materials mixed in along with some old computer parts. >PS: The CR-1A might be a mere baby-Nak, without the sophistication >of its big brothers, but you can sure tell it came from a "good family." The CR-1A, though a lower-end deck, really does compare favorably with lower and mid-line decks of other manufacturers. I was very pleasantly surprised. >Can't believe you found those in a dumpster!! What a waste had you >not found them... I was lucky to be in the right place at the right time. I shudder to think what I missed. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Oct 6 12:09:42 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:09:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Styling - who did it? Message-ID: Ben, Howzit, I read somewhere (could be Mark Nutter, but not sure) that Nak bought in Issy Miyagi to do the 1990 line (Cassette Deck series) which was a such a schizophrenic change from their previous approaches that most Nak fans did not like it. I do though!! But prior or since, I'm not sure. I always thought they had a "form follows function" approach. Cheers - MH >>> btorre at ix.netcom.com 10/6/2006 1:43:44 AM >>> Gents; Does anyone know who did the styling/packaging for the Nak gear? Was there a special department for this, or was it taken on by the engineers with certain corporate guidelines? I always loved the overall styling of both Nak and Marantz (of the golden age). I do know that Saul Marantz was a collector of Japanese art and an authority on the subject. In fact, one of the first things that drew me to the Nak 700 was the very simple styling that blended well with by old Marantz components. It just seemed like they belonged together. 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All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From tomas at tlec.se Fri Oct 6 13:11:01 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:11:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] naks.mine.nu down? 500 #2 & #3 In-Reply-To: <45256D6D.9020305@rcn.com> Message-ID: Could you send File #1 to me, so I can put it online? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads defunct at the moment, coming soon. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:39 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] naks.mine.nu down? 500 #2 & #3 > > > From enoyes at snet.net Fri Oct 6 12:37:22 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 06:37:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Speaker Foams In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061005085832.0082b100@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061005085832.0082b100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <452631E2.8050100@snet.net> Try NewFoam (1-800-NEW-FOAM). Last time I placed an order they were having some trouble with supply, but they should still be able to help with a standard item like the B&O. Ed Hi Tech wrote: >Ali, > there are kits here in the USA for do-it-yourself surround replacement. >They are 6",8",10",12" ,15" nominal sizes. I think the RLs are 6" woofers? >Post some measurements and I'll get you the source information. > >tom brucker > >At 05:42 PM 10/4/06 EDT, you wrote: > > >Hi Kermit and Tom, I too have the redline bang and olufsen speakers in >grey cabinets with the funny floor stands you mentioned , the foam >surrounds have all rotted, do you know a good source to get the replacement >foam surrounds , B&O are of no help must be some third party source. 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 6 15:16:54 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 06:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: <20061005230023.87000.qmail@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061006131654.57920.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Everyone must remember if you see a turntable that has 78 speed used anywhere, get it! Bob Geoff Ward wrote: Would transfer if I could...have a very high end turntable but it only spins at 33 and 45 RPM. And no proper 78 RPM cartridge / needle combo either. Would hate to cuase damage as all of these records look to be inn great shape. Agree with preserving them...that's the reason for the risk of an off topic post. So much material is lost because no time is taken to preserve it. Can't believe you found those in a dumpster!! What a waste had you not found them... Ben Torre wrote: At 04:07 PM 10/5/06, you wrote: >I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from those >who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. I picked up a mint-condition CR-1A from the local Salvation Army for all of $10. Didn't need even the slightest amount of work. It now sits in the Nak system I rigged up for the ladyfriend with a 410, 420, and 430. (It's still mine, but I let her borrow it... made that point crystal clear!) 78s.... I rescue them whenever I can, but the general public doesn't value them. Just last week, I rescued a bunch of 1930s-era library-cased 78s... all nearly mint... from the dumpster outside the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some twit just heaved them into the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad part is that they appeared to have been unplayed & apart from some mold on the cases, mint condition prior to being heaved. I can't imagine what special variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski, Ormandy, Toscanini, and the like. I strongly suggest you transfer them for yourself since many of the performances there never made it to LP, and what few did make it to LP never made it to CD. Preserve the history, 'cause once it is gone, it is gone forever. Nak content: if we don't remain vigilant, much otherwise excellent Nak gear will meet a similar fate. Don't think so? Not a month ago, a cousin gave me an Aiwa F-770 machine with the comment "does anyone actually use cassettes anymore??" Well... I sure do! Then there was the time I found a Marantz 7T, a 15, and a 10B put out for bulk trash pickup.... 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URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Oct 6 15:27:32 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:27:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: <20061006131654.57920.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061006131654.57920.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <452659C4.90605@cox.net> I believe some of the older belt drive Duals which only had buttons for 33 and 45 would play 78 if you pushed both buttons at the same time... or was it the older B&Os..... I need to look into this. Funny how 33+45=78. There is bound to be a good story there. Anyone know what that story could be? Bob Naylor wrote: > Everyone must remember if you see a turntable that has 78 speed used > anywhere, get it! > Bob > > */Geoff Ward /* wrote: > > Would transfer if I could...have a very high end turntable but it > only spins at 33 and 45 RPM. And no proper 78 RPM cartridge / > needle combo either. Would hate to cuase damage as all of these > records look to be inn great shape. > Agree with preserving them...that's the reason for the risk of an > off topic post. So much material is lost because no time is taken > to preserve it. Can't believe you found those in a dumpster!! What > a waste had you not found them... > > */Ben Torre /* wrote: > > At 04:07 PM 10/5/06, you wrote: > >I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from > those > >who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. > > I picked up a mint-condition CR-1A from the local Salvation > Army for > all of $10. Didn't need even the slightest amount of work. It now > sits in the Nak system I rigged up for the ladyfriend with a 410, > 420, and 430. (It's still mine, but I let her borrow it... made > that point crystal clear!) > > 78s.... I rescue them whenever I can, but the general public > doesn't > value them. Just last week, I rescued a bunch of 1930s-era > library-cased 78s... all nearly mint... from the dumpster outside > the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some twit just heaved them into > the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad part is that they > appeared to > have been unplayed & apart from some mold on the cases, mint > condition prior to being heaved. I can't imagine what special > variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski, Ormandy, Toscanini, > and the like. > > I strongly suggest you transfer them for yourself since many > of the > performances there never made it to LP, and what few did make > it to > LP never made it to CD. Preserve the history, 'cause once it is > gone, it is gone forever. > > Nak content: if we don't remain vigilant, much otherwise > excellent > Nak gear will meet a similar fate. Don't think so? Not a month > ago, > a cousin gave me an Aiwa F-770 machine with the comment "does > anyone > actually use cassettes anymore??" Well... I sure do! > > Then there was the time I found a Marantz 7T, a 15, and a 10B > put out > for bulk trash pickup.... > > 'Nuff Said, > Ben > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited > > to try the new Yahoo! > Mail.========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 6 15:49:11 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:49:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: <452659C4.90605@cox.net> References: <20061006131654.57920.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <452659C4.90605@cox.net> Message-ID: <45265ED7.6020109@rcn.com> The story is that some (many?) 78 RPM records were actually 80RPM and 33 is actually 33-1/3, so 33+45=78 doesn't really work... The basic idea for both 45 and 33 was to improve frequency response vs 78RPM records. Both Columbia (for 33) and RCA (for 45) shot for 20KHz. Both chose 1 mil as the smallest practical track width. This gave 180-200 t.p.i for both. However, Columbia chose 12" size (for longer playing time, targeted at the classical music market) while RCA chose 7" (for the popular music market). For each to get their targeted playing time, Columbia chose 33-1/3 RPM (for ~25 minutes per side) while RCA chose 45 RPM (for ~5 minutes per side). Both timings later extended by variable pitch. The above is from memory. Do correct me where I screwed up :-). -- Ron Tim Barrett wrote: > I believe some of the older belt drive Duals which only had buttons for > 33 and 45 would play 78 if you pushed both buttons at the same time... > or was it the older B&Os..... I need to look into this. Funny how > 33+45=78. There is bound to be a good story there. Anyone know what > that story could be? > > Bob Naylor wrote: >> Everyone must remember if you see a turntable that has 78 speed used >> anywhere, get it! >> Bob >> >> */Geoff Ward /* wrote: >> >> Would transfer if I could...have a very high end turntable but it >> only spins at 33 and 45 RPM. And no proper 78 RPM cartridge / >> needle combo either. Would hate to cuase damage as all of these >> records look to be inn great shape. >> Agree with preserving them...that's the reason for the risk of an >> off topic post. So much material is lost because no time is taken >> to preserve it. Can't believe you found those in a dumpster!! What >> a waste had you not found them... >> >> */Ben Torre /* wrote: >> >> At 04:07 PM 10/5/06, you wrote: >> >I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from >> those >> >who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. >> >> I picked up a mint-condition CR-1A from the local Salvation >> Army for >> all of $10. Didn't need even the slightest amount of work. It now >> sits in the Nak system I rigged up for the ladyfriend with a 410, >> 420, and 430. (It's still mine, but I let her borrow it... made >> that point crystal clear!) >> >> 78s.... I rescue them whenever I can, but the general public >> doesn't >> value them. Just last week, I rescued a bunch of 1930s-era >> library-cased 78s... all nearly mint... from the dumpster outside >> the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some twit just heaved them into >> the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad part is that they >> appeared to >> have been unplayed & apart from some mold on the cases, mint >> condition prior to being heaved. I can't imagine what special >> variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski, Ormandy, Toscanini, >> and the like. >> >> I strongly suggest you transfer them for yourself since many >> of the >> performances there never made it to LP, and what few did make >> it to >> LP never made it to CD. Preserve the history, 'cause once it is >> gone, it is gone forever. >> >> Nak content: if we don't remain vigilant, much otherwise >> excellent >> Nak gear will meet a similar fate. Don't think so? Not a month >> ago, >> a cousin gave me an Aiwa F-770 machine with the comment "does >> anyone >> actually use cassettes anymore??" Well... I sure do! >> >> Then there was the time I found a Marantz 7T, a 15, and a 10B >> put out >> for bulk trash pickup.... >> >> 'Nuff Said, >> Ben >>> From r1seals at yahoo.com Fri Oct 6 17:15:35 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: <452659C4.90605@cox.net> Message-ID: <20061006151535.43212.qmail@web50009.mail.yahoo.com> you can go here. http://www.needledoctor.com/ --- Tim Barrett wrote: > I believe some of the older belt drive Duals which > only had buttons for > 33 and 45 would play 78 if you pushed both buttons > at the same time... > or was it the older B&Os..... I need to look into > this. Funny how > 33+45=78. There is bound to be a good story there. > Anyone know what > that story could be? > > Bob Naylor wrote: > > Everyone must remember if you see a turntable that > has 78 speed used > > anywhere, get it! > > Bob > > > > */Geoff Ward /* wrote: > > > > Would transfer if I could...have a very high > end turntable but it > > only spins at 33 and 45 RPM. And no proper 78 > RPM cartridge / > > needle combo either. Would hate to cuase > damage as all of these > > records look to be inn great shape. > > Agree with preserving them...that's the reason > for the risk of an > > off topic post. So much material is lost > because no time is taken > > to preserve it. Can't believe you found those > in a dumpster!! What > > a waste had you not found them... > > > > */Ben Torre /* wrote: > > > > At 04:07 PM 10/5/06, you wrote: > > >I don't post very often but enjoy reading > the many posts from > > those > > >who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and > two CR1A's. > > > > I picked up a mint-condition CR-1A from > the local Salvation > > Army for > > all of $10. Didn't need even the slightest > amount of work. It now > > sits in the Nak system I rigged up for the > ladyfriend with a 410, > > 420, and 430. (It's still mine, but I let > her borrow it... made > > that point crystal clear!) > > > > 78s.... I rescue them whenever I can, but > the general public > > doesn't > > value them. Just last week, I rescued a > bunch of 1930s-era > > library-cased 78s... all nearly mint... > from the dumpster outside > > the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some > twit just heaved them into > > the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad > part is that they > > appeared to > > have been unplayed & apart from some mold > on the cases, mint > > condition prior to being heaved. I can't > imagine what special > > variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski, > Ormandy, Toscanini, > > and the like. > > > > I strongly suggest you transfer them for > yourself since many > > of the > > performances there never made it to LP, > and what few did make > > it to > > LP never made it to CD. Preserve the > history, 'cause once it is > > gone, it is gone forever. > > > > Nak content: if we don't remain vigilant, > much otherwise > > excellent > > Nak gear will meet a similar fate. Don't > think so? Not a month > > ago, > > a cousin gave me an Aiwa F-770 machine > with the comment "does > > anyone > > actually use cassettes anymore??" Well... > I sure do! > > > > Then there was the time I found a Marantz > 7T, a 15, and a 10B > > put out > > for bulk trash pickup.... > > > > 'Nuff Said, > > Ben > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Get on board. You're invited > > > > > to try the new Yahoo! > > > Mail.========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Oct 6 17:21:17 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:21:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] naks.mine.nu down? 500 #2 & #3 In-Reply-To: <45256D6D.9020305@rcn.com> References: <6bddc1110610051159qc31080cse17c29d794741e09@mail.gmail.com> <45256D6D.9020305@rcn.com> Message-ID: <0rwlRZn8Ghvr4qXyULELBQR1dVFs@4ax.com> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:39:09 -0400, Ron wrote: so that is why my inbox was filled and I had mail bouncing! -Mikkel From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Oct 6 21:14:02 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:14:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: <200610061530.k96FTv6Q006548@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all (and Ron who was following this) I got the MR2 service manual and did a check on things ... the 2 channels coming in to the LED board pass thru a 6.2V zener diode. I checked the voltage and the results : 1) Left channel (is working) = 0 V AC 2) Right Channel(notr working) = 15+V AC Does this mean that the zener is to be replaced ? I have the scan of the manual here : http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR2.jpg please let me know what i should do now Best Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 6 22:15:47 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:15:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naks.mine.nu down? 500 #2 & #3 In-Reply-To: <0rwlRZn8Ghvr4qXyULELBQR1dVFs@4ax.com> References: <6bddc1110610051159qc31080cse17c29d794741e09@mail.gmail.com> <45256D6D.9020305@rcn.com> <0rwlRZn8Ghvr4qXyULELBQR1dVFs@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4526B973.4020904@rcn.com> Gee, I apologize. This was meant as private email. Hope you managed to delete it. -- Ron Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:39:09 -0400, Ron wrote: > > so that is why my inbox was filled and I had mail bouncing! > > -Mikkel From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 6 22:29:50 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:29:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4526BCBE.80502@rcn.com> Soumi, if you have the ability to scan the manual, it will be greatly appreciated. If the whole manual is too much, can you at least scan the full schematic? Are the Zener diodes you are taking about D301 and D2302? Where exactly did you measure the voltages? -- Ron noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi all > (and Ron who was following this) > > I got the MR2 service manual and did a check on things ... the 2 > channels coming in to the LED board pass thru a 6.2V zener diode. I > checked the voltage and the results : > 1) Left channel (is working) = 0 V AC > 2) Right Channel(notr working) = 15+V AC > > Does this mean that the zener is to be replaced ? > > I have the scan of the manual here : > http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR2.jpg > > please let me know what i should do now > > Best Regards > Soumi From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Oct 7 00:20:46 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:20:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Styling - who did it? Message-ID: It seemed to me that for the "early" days (pre-circa 1984 or so) the form-follows-function thing was true for all but the 700 series. The 700 series always seemed to have the styling edge (except for maybe the 1000zxl limited), and up until the 1000zxl/700zxl, seemed to be pretty much the stylistic version of the 1000* machine--the features that were missing between the 1000 and the 700 were quite minimal (IMHO) and it really looked like the big difference was the style--like the 700s were meant for "home audiophiles" and the 1000s were more "industrial strength" at least in terms of styling. That seemed to change somewhat in the zxl machines as the differences between the 700 and 1000 are much more significant, as well as the stylistic changes.-kby From btorre at ix.netcom.com Fri Oct 6 18:03:34 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:03:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: <20061006131654.57920.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061005230023.87000.qmail@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <20061006131654.57920.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061006115425.03cb00f0@ix.netcom.com> At 09:16 AM 10/6/06, you wrote: >Everyone must remember if you see a turntable that has 78 speed used >anywhere, get it! >Bob Why not modify the pile of direct drive turntables we see put out as bulk trash every day for 78.26 RPM with a +/- 20% pitch control. That would pretty well cover almost every 78 ever made. I've seen guys do that to the old Technics SL-1200. I would have done that years ago, but I have an Empire 208 with an SME series III arm that has a 78 speed. (it replaced my direct drive Sony well over 20 years ago.) Anything I need in between that speed I get by feeding it with a small inverter that I rigged to be driven by an external variable oscillator. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Oct 6 20:22:20 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:22:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? Message-ID: Hi Tim, You are WRONG. the Dual turntables ONLY had two speeds 33.33 & 45 rpm. you CAN'T push both speed buttons at the same time...as there are Inter-locked...only one at the time!. Older Garrard 301/401/ or cheaper models HAD also 78 rpm seed, same WAS the Thorens 124/124 MK-2; or ALL Lenco models. Today...only cheap if exist tables maybe have 78 rpm speed. Peace, ALEX! > Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:15:35 -0700> From: r1seals at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these??> To: timbarrett at cox.net; naktalk at naks.com> CC: > > you can go here. http://www.needledoctor.com/> > --- Tim Barrett wrote:> > > I believe some of the older belt drive Duals which> > only had buttons for > > 33 and 45 would play 78 if you pushed both buttons> > at the same time... > > or was it the older B&Os..... I need to look into> > this. Funny how > > 33+45=78. There is bound to be a good story there. > > Anyone know what > > that story could be?> > > > Bob Naylor wrote:> > > Everyone must remember if you see a turntable that> > has 78 speed used > > > anywhere, get it!> > > Bob> > >> > > */Geoff Ward /* wrote:> > >> > > Would transfer if I could...have a very high> > end turntable but it> > > only spins at 33 and 45 RPM. And no proper 78> > RPM cartridge /> > > needle combo either. Would hate to cuase> > damage as all of these> > > records look to be inn great shape.> > > Agree with preserving them...that's the reason> > for the risk of an> > > off topic post. So much material is lost> > because no time is taken> > > to preserve it. Can't believe you found those> > in a dumpster!! What> > > a waste had you not found them...> > >> > > */Ben Torre /* wrote:> > >> > > At 04:07 PM 10/5/06, you wrote:> > > >I don't post very often but enjoy reading> > the many posts from> > > those> > > >who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and> > two CR1A's.> > >> > > I picked up a mint-condition CR-1A from> > the local Salvation> > > Army for> > > all of $10. Didn't need even the slightest> > amount of work. It now> > > sits in the Nak system I rigged up for the> > ladyfriend with a 410,> > > 420, and 430. (It's still mine, but I let> > her borrow it... made> > > that point crystal clear!)> > >> > > 78s.... I rescue them whenever I can, but> > the general public> > > doesn't> > > value them. Just last week, I rescued a> > bunch of 1930s-era> > > library-cased 78s... all nearly mint...> > from the dumpster outside> > > the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some> > twit just heaved them into> > > the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad> > part is that they> > > appeared to> > > have been unplayed & apart from some mold> > on the cases, mint> > > condition prior to being heaved. I can't> > imagine what special> > > variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski,> > Ormandy, Toscanini,> > > and the like.> > >> > > I strongly suggest you transfer them for> > yourself since many> > > of the> > > performances there never made it to LP,> > and what few did make> > > it to> > > LP never made it to CD. Preserve the> > history, 'cause once it is> > > gone, it is gone forever.> > >> > > Nak content: if we don't remain vigilant,> > much otherwise> > > excellent> > > Nak gear will meet a similar fate. Don't> > think so? Not a month> > > ago,> > > a cousin gave me an Aiwa F-770 machine> > with the comment "does> > > anyone> > > actually use cassettes anymore??" Well...> > I sure do!> > >> > > Then there was the time I found a Marantz> > 7T, a 15, and a 10B> > > put out> > > for bulk trash pickup....> > >> > > 'Nuff Said,> > > Ben> > >> > > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Register your Nak today!> > http://www.naks.com/register> > > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > > Maintain your account here:> > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > >> > >> > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Do you Yahoo!?> > > Get on board. 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In-Reply-To: <570.a70e8b4.325584b1@aol.com> References: <570.a70e8b4.325584b1@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:42:09 EDT, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: >Hi Kermit and Tom, I too have the redline bang and olufsen speakers in grey >cabinets with the funny floor stands you mentioned , the foam surrounds have >all rotted, do you know a good source to get the replacement foam surrounds , >B&O are of no help must be some third party source. Many Thanks! B&O usually have a lot of stuff on storage, I had foam for my FORM1 headphones by just goingo the local B&O center on our shopping street. they do stock stuff more years than just the warranty period. Did you visit an authorized dealer? If there is a support number for your part of the world they should be able to track down a source for something. When I bought the replacement pads for my headphones the sellers said that the oldest repair he heard of was a daycare help who had her old tv repaired, it needed a new display, and it was a costly repair but they did have a 40+yo display in storage. Of course this repair was done at the facility in Struer but the customer only had to take it up the shop on the shopping street and pick it up there again. -Mikkel From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Oct 6 23:17:41 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:17:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL SERVICE MANUAL NEEDED URGENTLY!! D 801, 802, 803 BLOWN! Message-ID: HI Everyone! Does some nice soul here has service manual for the Nak 1000 zxl as I need it rightaway! I am unable to download from thomas larson page which although I appreciate very much but the manual never get downloaded for some reason when I try to! Thanks you very much for your kind help. To Bala I am taking time out this weekend to work on the problems on my 1000zxl , I have a fluke digital meter with both ac and dc setting , will I be checking these voltage at ac or dc setting i.e. pin 1 and 7 on the IC 301 with black lead of the meter hooked up to the metal frame of the 1000zxl. Also have mylar caps that I got from my local electronic store , the values are indentical as of the pp ones except for the 680 pf which the one I have is 750 pf mylar, my question is that if need be will it okay to substitue them for a short period of time in the playback PCB to locate which ones of the orange caps are bad?! Also Bala , here is what I have found out after examing the deck further on the pcb located on the top of the machine there are rows of diodes near the connector marked CN 15 they are numbered D 801 , D802, D 803 and D 804 for some reason except for D 804 the rest seem like some has cut them in the middle! or might have blown! What are the values of these diodes and are they available?! Wish I had good copy of the service manual to see the values given in the manual. What is the function of these diodes do they have anything to do with the ABLE or the crackling and missing channel in the playback?! please let me know! I am taking your advice Bala by going it slow! and going about logical and in a systematic way to solve each problem of this machine! and ABOVE ALL BE VERY PATIENT AND NOT RUSHING TO SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEM OF THIS BEAUTIFUL MACHINE A RUSH LIKE THEY SAY THE SLOW AND STEADY WIN THE RACE! LOL:) Many Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Oct 6 23:23:54 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:23:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Kermit custom amps. Message-ID: Hi Kermit, Any news of those great amps that your were building, have you completed them ,how do they sound?! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sat Oct 7 01:49:26 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:49:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <200610062307.k96N6Y4g010239@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron I will be scanning the entire manual and uploading it soon .. prbably during the weekend. Ok, the first thing i did was to desolder the FC12 connections on the indicator PCB and switch connections. The Right channel LED bars lit up with the Left Channel Signal. So the LEDs are all ok. Then i switched on the deck power (no play etc) and measured the AC voltage between the disconnected FC12 wires and the ground. The good channel measures 0V and the right channel (not working) shows 15.3V So the D202, which is 1SS53 (and not a zener as previously mentioned) is somehow (i think) shorted since it is bypassing the signal through. Are my assumptions correct ? Let me know BEst Regards Soumi >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) >Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:29:50 -0400 > >Soumi, if you have the ability to scan the manual, it >will be greatly appreciated. If the whole manual is >too much, can you at least scan the full schematic? > >Are the Zener diodes you are taking about D301 and >D2302? > >Where exactly did you measure the voltages? > >-- Ron > > >noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >>Hi all >>(and Ron who was following this) >> >>I got the MR2 service manual and did a check on things ... the 2 channels >>coming in to the LED board pass thru a 6.2V zener diode. I checked the >>voltage and the results : >>1) Left channel (is working) = 0 V AC >>2) Right Channel(notr working) = 15+V AC >> >>Does this mean that the zener is to be replaced ? >> >>I have the scan of the manual here : >>http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR2.jpg >> >>please let me know what i should do now >> >>Best Regards >>Soumi > _________________________________________________________________ One and only Ash. Find out all about her. Only on MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/aishwarya.asp From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sat Oct 7 01:51:58 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:51:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: <200610062307.k96N6Y4g010239@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron I will be scanning the entire manual and uploading it soon .. prbably during the weekend. Ok, the first thing i did was to desolder the FC12 connections on the indicator PCB and switch connections. The Right channel LED bars lit up with the Left Channel Signal. So the LEDs are all ok. Then i switched on the deck power (no play etc) and measured the AC voltage between the disconnected FC12 wires and the ground. The good channel measures 0V and the right channel (not working) shows 15.3V So the D202, which is 1SS53 (and not a zener as previously mentioned) is somehow (i think) shorted since it is bypassing the signal through. Are my assumptions correct ? Let me know BEst Regards Soumi >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) >Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:29:50 -0400 > >Soumi, if you have the ability to scan the manual, it >will be greatly appreciated. If the whole manual is >too much, can you at least scan the full schematic? > >Are the Zener diodes you are taking about D301 and >D2302? > >Where exactly did you measure the voltages? > >-- Ron > > >noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >>Hi all >>(and Ron who was following this) >> >>I got the MR2 service manual and did a check on things ... the 2 channels >>coming in to the LED board pass thru a 6.2V zener diode. I checked the >>voltage and the results : >>1) Left channel (is working) = 0 V AC >>2) Right Channel(notr working) = 15+V AC >> >>Does this mean that the zener is to be replaced ? >> >>I have the scan of the manual here : >>http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR2.jpg >> >>please let me know what i should do now >> >>Best Regards >>Soumi > _________________________________________________________________ Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp From tomas at tlec.se Sat Oct 7 02:35:03 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:35:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Could you get it to me as well, so I can publish it. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads currently not working. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of noneyhoney at hotmail.com > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:49 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 13 > > Hi Ron > I will be scanning the entire manual and uploading it soon .. > prbably during the weekend. > Ok, the first thing i did was to desolder the FC12 > connections on the indicator PCB and switch connections. The > Right channel LED bars lit up with the Left Channel Signal. > > So the LEDs are all ok. > > Then i switched on the deck power (no play etc) and measured > the AC voltage between the disconnected FC12 wires and the > ground. The good channel measures 0V and the right channel > (not working) shows 15.3V > > So the D202, which is 1SS53 (and not a zener as previously > mentioned) is somehow (i think) shorted since it is bypassing > the signal through. > > Are my assumptions correct ? > > Let me know > > BEst Regards > Soumi > > >From: Ron > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) > >Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:29:50 -0400 > > > >Soumi, if you have the ability to scan the manual, it will > be greatly > >appreciated. If the whole manual is too much, can you at > least scan the > >full schematic? > > > >Are the Zener diodes you are taking about D301 and D2302? > > > >Where exactly did you measure the voltages? > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > >>Hi all > >>(and Ron who was following this) > >> > >>I got the MR2 service manual and did a check on things ... the 2 > >>channels coming in to the LED board pass thru a 6.2V zener diode. I > >>checked the voltage and the results : > >>1) Left channel (is working) = 0 V AC > >>2) Right Channel(notr working) = 15+V AC > >> > >>Does this mean that the zener is to be replaced ? > >> > >>I have the scan of the manual here : > >>http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR2.jpg > >> > >>please let me know what i should do now > >> > >>Best Regards > >>Soumi > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > One and only Ash. Find out all about her. Only on MSN Search > http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/aishwarya.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= From tomas at tlec.se Sat Oct 7 02:36:09 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:36:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL SERVICE MANUAL NEEDED URGENTLY!! D 801, 802, 803 BLOWN! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What is happening, could you describe the problem you are experiencing. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads currently not working. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:18 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL SERVICE MANUAL NEEDED URGENTLY!! > D 801, 802,803 BLOWN! > > HI Everyone! Does some nice soul here has service manual for > the Nak 1000 zxl as I need it rightaway! I am unable to > download from thomas larson page which although I appreciate > very much but the manual never get downloaded for some reason > when I try to! Thanks you very much for your kind help. > > To Bala I am taking time out this weekend to work on the > problems on my 1000zxl , I have a fluke digital meter with > both ac and dc setting , will I be checking these voltage at > ac or dc setting i.e. pin 1 and 7 on the IC 301 with black > lead of the meter hooked up to the metal frame of the > 1000zxl. Also have mylar caps that I got from my local > electronic store , the values are indentical as of the pp > ones except for the 680 pf which the one I have is 750 pf > mylar, my question is that if need be will it okay to > substitue them for a short period of time in the playback PCB > to locate which ones of the orange caps are bad?! > > Also Bala , here is what I have found out after examing the > deck further on the pcb located on the top of the machine > there are rows of diodes near the connector marked CN 15 they > are numbered D 801 , D802, D 803 and D 804 for some reason > except for D 804 the rest seem like some has cut them in the > middle! or might have blown! What are the values of these > diodes and are they available?! Wish I had good copy of the > service manual to see the values given in the manual. What is > the function of these diodes do they have anything to do with > the ABLE or the crackling and missing channel in the > playback?! please let me know! I am taking your advice Bala > by going it slow! and going about logical and in a > systematic way to solve each problem of this machine! and > ABOVE ALL BE VERY PATIENT AND NOT RUSHING TO SOLVE ALL THE > PROBLEM OF THIS BEAUTIFUL MACHINE A RUSH LIKE THEY SAY THE > SLOW AND STEADY WIN THE RACE! LOL:) Many Thanks! > With Best Regards! > Ali > From luis at peromarta.org Sat Oct 7 09:40:32 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:40:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <452759F0.9010301@peromarta.org> Hi Soumi, chek the diode with an Ohm-meter. On a good diode it should read near zero or megohms depending on how you connect it. On a shorted diode, it should read near zero anyway you connect it. Sometimes you can check this even with the wires connected, but since you have opened the circuit at FC-12, it will be more accurate. Best rgds, LP. noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: > So the D202, which is 1SS53 (and not a zener as previously mentioned) is > somehow (i think) shorted since it is bypassing the signal through. > > Are my assumptions correct ? From madhurifan at yahoo.com Sat Oct 7 07:25:11 2006 From: madhurifan at yahoo.com (Raghuram Yedatore) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 22:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor rebuilding question In-Reply-To: <4525AC43.1010203@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20061007052511.21053.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> Ron, Thank you so much for your help. There was a lot of deposit on the commutator. One of the brushes (1 mm cube in size) attached to little copper strip came loose while I was cleaning. I was very careful and gentle. Guess I have to buy a new motor or a replacement brush if available. Where can I buy a motor or brush from? I can't resist from asking is there way to put the brush back - I am feeling bad I did that. How do I figure out the specs of the motor? Need a service manual ah? Raghu Ron wrote: Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > Phew! I got the control motor out of the mechanism. > > How do I get the worm off the rotor shaft? Can I just pull the worm gently? No need to remove it. > There is a ceramic capacitor that says 104 (don't remember the color > coding) soldered to '+' and '-' connectors, should I replace it? 104 = 0.01uF. No reason to replace it unless it's bad (unlikely). > I can tell that this motor has been rebuilt before. The two small > cutouts at the bottom of the motor and part of the outershell has pry > markings. So not sure if it can be rebuilt again. It's possible it can be rebuilt again. Once you open it up, clean the commutator and brushes. If there's still enough metal left, it should work fine. > If need be where I can buy a new motor from? > > Ron mentioned in his mail I should see 12V at the motor when PB buttons > are pressed but I see only 6V. Hmmm? Mia culpa. The driver chip gets 12V. The motor should get anywhere from 6.5V to 7.5V. 6V is kinda low, but still, I doubt it's a problem. -- Ron > > Thank you. > > Raghu > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Stephen's advice was good. If the deck powers up, > yet there is no response from the 'little motor' > (actually, 'control motor') when transport PBs > (PLAY, FF, REW, etc.) are pressed, it's highly > likely that the control motor should be rebuilt. > That's a fairly easy job (at least, for the second > time that you do it). > > Before taking out the motor, though, first check to > make sure that +12V gets to the motor. To do that, > press transport PBs and measure the voltage across > the motor lugs. If 12VDC, the motor should be > rebuilt. If zero, the problem is in the logic or > power supply. > > -- Ron > > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I am new to Naktalk. > > > > I recently picked up a CR-2A. It looks good cosmetically but > however, > > doesn't do anything other than powering up. The gentleman who > gave it to > > me said all it needs is lubrication/servicing and it should be > alright. > > > > I cleaned the 3 contacts driven by little motor with worm drive > shaft > > that drives a plastic cam. Still no luck. > > > > I came across this posting in sci.electronics.repair via google > search > > > > *Problem (identical to mine):* > > "I own a Nakamichi CR-2A cassette deck, which has been used very > little > > since > > new (great shape, no sign of wear). > > None of the transport buttons work at all. When the deck is tuned > on the > > green > > light over the play button is illuminated. The light will briefly > go out if > > either the rewind or FF buttons are pushed, and then come back on. > > That's it, > > no tape movement!" > > > > *Suggestion by Stephen Sank: > > *"You just need to take apart the mechanism mode drive motor, the > little > > one > > with the worm drive shaft, and clean & lub the brushes & commutator. > > Pretty > > easy job." > > > > There is no response from the original poster for Sank's suggestion. > > > > I am contemplating on whether or not to open the motor. If the > motor is > > an issue, I don't have a choice anyway. I see around 6 volts > coming to > > the motor when I press play, rew or FF buttons but it doesn't > budge. So > > I am inclined to think it is the motor. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > I don't have a service manual. Please email me one to 'yedatore > at gmail > > dot com' if anyone has a soft copy. > > > > Thank you all in advance. > > > > Raghu ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Oct 7 07:29:26 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:29:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A proposal References: Message-ID: <06bf01c6e9d1$8e613610$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Sounds like a great idea to me! From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Oct 7 07:30:35 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:30:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk confession References: Message-ID: <06c401c6e9d1$b70ce4b0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Thanks, Jerry. Whenever you get a chance, man! Dennis From logosfire at gmail.com Sat Oct 7 10:16:34 2006 From: logosfire at gmail.com (Logosfire) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:16:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL Extension Card M-9060A (DA09060A) Message-ID: <55f362cf0610070116l729aaf63n509437a52ee78431@mail.gmail.com> Any one of you here has any knowledge about this Nak 700ZXL Extension Card M-9060A for tuning the Oscillator P.C.B. A schematic is welcome. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On a good diode it should read >near zero or megohms depending on how you connect it. > >On a shorted diode, it should read near zero anyway you connect it. > >Sometimes you can check this even with the wires connected, but since you >have opened the circuit at FC-12, it will be more accurate. > >Best rgds, LP. > >noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribi�: > >>So the D202, which is 1SS53 (and not a zener as previously mentioned) is >>somehow (i think) shorted since it is bypassing the signal through. >> >>Are my assumptions correct ? _________________________________________________________________ The next best thing! Messenger Video Conversation. Click here! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview2000 From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sat Oct 7 12:55:19 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:55:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: <200610070939.k979dcOQ014697@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi All, and Luis I have uploaded a part of the MR2 schematic here : http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR2.pdf This contains the line voltages at the points shown with the red arrows, wrt GND. Also, i checked the resistance of the diodes as Luis suggested, and these are the results : 1) Good Diode : 94 K 2) Supposed Bad Diode (R channel, D-102) : More that 4 megs. Does this help in any way ? Is the diode faulty then ?? Please help Best regards Soumi >From: Luis Peromarta >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) >Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:40:32 +0200 >Hi Soumi, chek the diode with an Ohm-meter. On a good diode it should read >near zero or megohms depending on how you connect it. > >On a shorted diode, it should read near zero anyway you connect it. > >Sometimes you can check this even with the wires connected, but since you >have opened the circuit at FC-12, it will be more accurate. > >Best rgds, LP. > >noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribi�: > >>So the D202, which is 1SS53 (and not a zener as previously mentioned) is >>somehow (i think) shorted since it is bypassing the signal through. >> >>Are my assumptions correct ? _________________________________________________________________ Tried the new MSN Messenger? It�s cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 7 15:53:22 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:53:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4527B152.4020203@rcn.com> noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi Ron > I will be scanning the entire manual and uploading it soon .. prbably > during > the weekend. > Ok, the first thing i did was to desolder the FC12 connections on the > indicator PCB and switch connections. The Right channel LED bars lit up > with the Left Channel Signal. > > So the LEDs are all ok. > > Then i switched on the deck power (no play etc) and measured the AC voltage > between the disconnected FC12 wires and the ground. The good channel > measures 0V and the right channel (not working) shows 15.3V > > So the D202, which is 1SS53 (and not a zener as previously mentioned) is > somehow (i think) shorted since it is bypassing the signal through. > > Are my assumptions correct ? Probably not... Just to make sure, test the diode as suggested by Luis. While you are at it, check diodes D301, D302 and D102 as well. I find your measurements results a bit confusing... Seems to me, both points marked AC should carry an AC sine wave, which is contrary to what you found. I'll be able to suggest a course of action after I see the whole schematic. -- Ron > > Let me know > > BEst Regards > Soumi > > > >> From: Ron >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) >> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:29:50 -0400 >> >> Soumi, if you have the ability to scan the manual, it >> will be greatly appreciated. If the whole manual is >> too much, can you at least scan the full schematic? >> >> Are the Zener diodes you are taking about D301 and >> D2302? >> >> Where exactly did you measure the voltages? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >>> Hi all >>> (and Ron who was following this) >>> >>> I got the MR2 service manual and did a check on things ... the 2 >>> channels coming in to the LED board pass thru a 6.2V zener diode. I >>> checked the voltage and the results : >>> 1) Left channel (is working) = 0 V AC >>> 2) Right Channel(notr working) = 15+V AC >>> >>> Does this mean that the zener is to be replaced ? >>> >>> I have the scan of the manual here : >>> http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR2.jpg >>> >>> please let me know what i should do now >>> >>> Best Regards >>> Soumi From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 7 16:06:35 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:06:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor rebuilding question In-Reply-To: <20061007052511.21053.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061007052511.21053.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4527B46B.9070803@rcn.com> Raghu, Too bad about the brush... I don't know where you can buy a motor. Try ESL in CT. You may be able to obtain a replacement brush from someone that has a bad motor with a good brush. Can anyone on this email list help? Where are you located? -- Ron Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > Ron, > > Thank you so much for your help. There was a lot of deposit on the > commutator. > > One of the brushes (1 mm cube in size) attached to little copper strip > came loose while I was cleaning. I was very careful and gentle. Guess I > have to buy a new motor or a replacement brush if available. > > Where can I buy a motor or brush from? I can't resist from asking is > there way to put the brush back - I am feeling bad I did that. > > How do I figure out the specs of the motor? Need a service manual ah? > > Raghu > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > > Phew! I got the control motor out of the mechanism. > > > > How do I get the worm off the rotor shaft? Can I just pull the > worm gently? > > No need to remove it. > > > There is a ceramic capacitor that says 104 (don't remember the color > > coding) soldered to '+' and '-' connectors, should I replace it? > > 104 = 0.01uF. No reason to replace it unless it's bad > (unlikely). > > > I can tell that this motor has been rebuilt before. The two small > > cutouts at the bottom of the motor and part of the outershell has > pry > > markings. So not sure if it can be rebuilt again. > > It's possible it can be rebuilt again. Once you open > it up, clean the commutator and brushes. If there's > still enough metal left, it should work fine. > > > If need be where I can buy a new motor from? > > > > Ron mentioned in his mail I should see 12V at the motor when PB > buttons > > are pressed but I see only 6V. Hmmm? > > Mia culpa. The driver chip gets 12V. The motor should get > anywhere from 6.5V to 7.5V. 6V is kinda low, but still, I > doubt it's a problem. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > Raghu > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > Stephen's advice was good. If the deck powers up, > > yet there is no response from the 'little motor' > > (actually, 'control motor') when transport PBs > > (PLAY, FF, REW, etc.) are pressed, it's highly > > likely that the control motor should be rebuilt. > > That's a fairly easy job (at least, for the second > > time that you do it). > > > > Before taking out the motor, though, first check to > > make sure that +12V gets to the motor. To do that, > > press transport PBs and measure the voltage across > > the motor lugs. If 12VDC, the motor should be > > rebuilt. If zero, the problem is in the logic or > > power supply. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I am new to Naktalk. > > > > > > I recently picked up a CR-2A. It looks good cosmetically but > > however, > > > doesn't do anything other than powering up. The gentleman who > > gave it to > > > me said all it needs is lubrication/servicing and it should be > > alright. > > > > > > I cleaned the 3 contacts driven by little motor with worm drive > > shaft > > > that drives a plastic cam. Still no luck. > > > > > > I came across this posting in sci.electronics.repair via google > > search > > > > > > *Problem (identical to mine):* > > > "I own a Nakamichi CR-2A cassette deck, which has been used very > > little > > > since > > > new (great shape, no sign of wear). > > > None of the transport buttons work at all. When the deck is tuned > > on the > > > green > > > light over the play button is illuminated. The light will briefly > > go out if > > > either the rewind or FF buttons are pushed, and then come back on. > > > That's it, > > > no tape movement!" > > > > > > *Suggestion by Stephen Sank: > > > *"You just need to take apart the mechanism mode drive motor, the > > little > > > one > > > with the worm drive shaft, and clean & lub the brushes & > commutator. > > > Pretty > > > easy job." > > > > > > There is no response from the original poster for Sank's > suggestion. > > > > > > I am contemplating on whether or not to open the motor. If the > > motor is > > > an issue, I don't have a choice anyway. I see around 6 volts > > coming to > > > the motor when I press play, rew or FF buttons but it doesn't > > budge. So > > > I am inclined to think it is the motor. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > I don't have a service manual. Please email me one to 'yedatore > > at gmail > > > dot com' if anyone has a soft copy. > > > > > > Thank you all in advance. > > > > > > Raghu From lenaw at flash.net Sat Oct 7 16:15:23 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:15:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor rebuilding question In-Reply-To: <4527B46B.9070803@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000701c6ea1b$080723a0$3dc4db40@CPQ16585250299> Do you know the part number of the motor? There may be one in my inventory. Thanks. Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:07 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play,FF or Rew - motor rebuilding question Raghu, Too bad about the brush... I don't know where you can buy a motor. Try ESL in CT. You may be able to obtain a replacement brush from someone that has a bad motor with a good brush. Can anyone on this email list help? Where are you located? -- Ron Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > Ron, > > Thank you so much for your help. There was a lot of deposit on the > commutator. > > One of the brushes (1 mm cube in size) attached to little copper strip > came loose while I was cleaning. I was very careful and gentle. Guess I > have to buy a new motor or a replacement brush if available. > > Where can I buy a motor or brush from? I can't resist from asking is > there way to put the brush back - I am feeling bad I did that. > > How do I figure out the specs of the motor? Need a service manual ah? > > Raghu > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > > Phew! I got the control motor out of the mechanism. > > > > How do I get the worm off the rotor shaft? Can I just pull the > worm gently? > > No need to remove it. > > > There is a ceramic capacitor that says 104 (don't remember the color > > coding) soldered to '+' and '-' connectors, should I replace it? > > 104 = 0.01uF. No reason to replace it unless it's bad > (unlikely). > > > I can tell that this motor has been rebuilt before. The two small > > cutouts at the bottom of the motor and part of the outershell has > pry > > markings. So not sure if it can be rebuilt again. > > It's possible it can be rebuilt again. Once you open > it up, clean the commutator and brushes. If there's > still enough metal left, it should work fine. > > > If need be where I can buy a new motor from? > > > > Ron mentioned in his mail I should see 12V at the motor when PB > buttons > > are pressed but I see only 6V. Hmmm? > > Mia culpa. The driver chip gets 12V. The motor should get > anywhere from 6.5V to 7.5V. 6V is kinda low, but still, I > doubt it's a problem. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > Raghu > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > Stephen's advice was good. If the deck powers up, > > yet there is no response from the 'little motor' > > (actually, 'control motor') when transport PBs > > (PLAY, FF, REW, etc.) are pressed, it's highly > > likely that the control motor should be rebuilt. > > That's a fairly easy job (at least, for the second > > time that you do it). > > > > Before taking out the motor, though, first check to > > make sure that +12V gets to the motor. To do that, > > press transport PBs and measure the voltage across > > the motor lugs. If 12VDC, the motor should be > > rebuilt. If zero, the problem is in the logic or > > power supply. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I am new to Naktalk. > > > > > > I recently picked up a CR-2A. It looks good cosmetically but > > however, > > > doesn't do anything other than powering up. The gentleman who > > gave it to > > > me said all it needs is lubrication/servicing and it should be > > alright. > > > > > > I cleaned the 3 contacts driven by little motor with worm drive > > shaft > > > that drives a plastic cam. Still no luck. > > > > > > I came across this posting in sci.electronics.repair via google > > search > > > > > > *Problem (identical to mine):* > > > "I own a Nakamichi CR-2A cassette deck, which has been used very > > little > > > since > > > new (great shape, no sign of wear). > > > None of the transport buttons work at all. When the deck is tuned > > on the > > > green > > > light over the play button is illuminated. The light will briefly > > go out if > > > either the rewind or FF buttons are pushed, and then come back on. > > > That's it, > > > no tape movement!" > > > > > > *Suggestion by Stephen Sank: > > > *"You just need to take apart the mechanism mode drive motor, the > > little > > > one > > > with the worm drive shaft, and clean & lub the brushes & > commutator. > > > Pretty > > > easy job." > > > > > > There is no response from the original poster for Sank's > suggestion. > > > > > > I am contemplating on whether or not to open the motor. If the > > motor is > > > an issue, I don't have a choice anyway. I see around 6 volts > > coming to > > > the motor when I press play, rew or FF buttons but it doesn't > > budge. So > > > I am inclined to think it is the motor. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > I don't have a service manual. Please email me one to 'yedatore > > at gmail > > > dot com' if anyone has a soft copy. > > > > > > Thank you all in advance. > > > > > > Raghu ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sat Oct 7 16:43:54 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:43:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4527BD2A.4050706@peromarta.org> noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: > > Hi All, and Luis > I have uploaded a part of the MR2 schematic here : > http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR2.pdf > This contains the line voltages at the points shown with the red arrows, > wrt GND. > > Also, i checked the resistance of the diodes as Luis suggested, and > these are the results : > > 1) Good Diode : 94 K > 2) Supposed Bad Diode (R channel, D-102) : More that 4 megs. > > Does this help in any way ? Is the diode faulty then ?? > > Please help > > Best regards > Soumi These make no sense to me. Please measure again, make sure the wires are disconnected, and give me both readings (forward and reverse), for the 2 diodes. tptal 4 readings. On the other hand from schematic, dc voltage drop across a conducting diode should be 0,6 - 0,7V Forget about AC for the moment, and try ro read all DC s across al 4 diodes. If you have a scope or freq. counter, please read feq. an point A and B. We'll move from there. rgds, LP. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 7 17:01:33 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:01:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor rebuilding question In-Reply-To: <000701c6ea1b$080723a0$3dc4db40@CPQ16585250299> References: <000701c6ea1b$080723a0$3dc4db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: <4527C14D.2000108@rcn.com> It's CA80007A -- Ron lenaw wrote: > Do you know the part number of the motor? There may be one in my inventory. > Thanks. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:07 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play,FF or Rew - motor rebuilding > question > > > Raghu, > > Too bad about the brush... > > I don't know where you can buy a motor. Try ESL in CT. > You may be able to obtain a replacement brush from > someone that has a bad motor with a good brush. Can > anyone on this email list help? > > Where are you located? > > -- Ron > > > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: >> Ron, >> >> Thank you so much for your help. There was a lot of deposit on the >> commutator. >> >> One of the brushes (1 mm cube in size) attached to little copper strip >> came loose while I was cleaning. I was very careful and gentle. Guess I >> have to buy a new motor or a replacement brush if available. >> >> Where can I buy a motor or brush from? I can't resist from asking is >> there way to put the brush back - I am feeling bad I did that. >> >> How do I figure out the specs of the motor? Need a service manual ah? >> >> Raghu >> >> */Ron /* wrote: >> >> Raghuram Yedatore wrote: >> > Phew! I got the control motor out of the mechanism. >> > >> > How do I get the worm off the rotor shaft? Can I just pull the >> worm gently? >> >> No need to remove it. >> >> > There is a ceramic capacitor that says 104 (don't remember the > color >> > coding) soldered to '+' and '-' connectors, should I replace it? >> >> 104 = 0.01uF. No reason to replace it unless it's bad >> (unlikely). >> >> > I can tell that this motor has been rebuilt before. The two small >> > cutouts at the bottom of the motor and part of the outershell has >> pry >> > markings. So not sure if it can be rebuilt again. >> >> It's possible it can be rebuilt again. Once you open >> it up, clean the commutator and brushes. If there's >> still enough metal left, it should work fine. >> >> > If need be where I can buy a new motor from? >> > >> > Ron mentioned in his mail I should see 12V at the motor when PB >> buttons >> > are pressed but I see only 6V. Hmmm? >> >> Mia culpa. The driver chip gets 12V. The motor should get >> anywhere from 6.5V to 7.5V. 6V is kinda low, but still, I >> doubt it's a problem. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > Raghu >> > >> > */Ron /* wrote: >> > >> > Stephen's advice was good. If the deck powers up, >> > yet there is no response from the 'little motor' >> > (actually, 'control motor') when transport PBs >> > (PLAY, FF, REW, etc.) are pressed, it's highly >> > likely that the control motor should be rebuilt. >> > That's a fairly easy job (at least, for the second >> > time that you do it). >> > >> > Before taking out the motor, though, first check to >> > make sure that +12V gets to the motor. To do that, >> > press transport PBs and measure the voltage across >> > the motor lugs. If 12VDC, the motor should be >> > rebuilt. If zero, the problem is in the logic or >> > power supply. >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: >> > > Hi All, >> > > >> > > I am new to Naktalk. >> > > >> > > I recently picked up a CR-2A. It looks good cosmetically but >> > however, >> > > doesn't do anything other than powering up. The gentleman who >> > gave it to >> > > me said all it needs is lubrication/servicing and it should be >> > alright. >> > > >> > > I cleaned the 3 contacts driven by little motor with worm drive >> > shaft >> > > that drives a plastic cam. Still no luck. >> > > >> > > I came across this posting in sci.electronics.repair via google >> > search >> > > >> > > *Problem (identical to mine):* >> > > "I own a Nakamichi CR-2A cassette deck, which has been used very >> > little >> > > since >> > > new (great shape, no sign of wear). >> > > None of the transport buttons work at all. When the deck is tuned >> > on the >> > > green >> > > light over the play button is illuminated. The light will briefly >> > go out if >> > > either the rewind or FF buttons are pushed, and then come back > on. >> > > That's it, >> > > no tape movement!" >> > > >> > > *Suggestion by Stephen Sank: >> > > *"You just need to take apart the mechanism mode drive motor, the >> > little >> > > one >> > > with the worm drive shaft, and clean & lub the brushes & >> commutator. >> > > Pretty >> > > easy job." >> > > >> > > There is no response from the original poster for Sank's >> suggestion. >> > > >> > > I am contemplating on whether or not to open the motor. If the >> > motor is >> > > an issue, I don't have a choice anyway. I see around 6 volts >> > coming to >> > > the motor when I press play, rew or FF buttons but it doesn't >> > budge. So >> > > I am inclined to think it is the motor. >> > > >> > > Any suggestions? >> > > >> > > I don't have a service manual. Please email me one to 'yedatore >> > at gmail >> > > dot com' if anyone has a soft copy. >> > > >> > > Thank you all in advance. >> > > >> > > Raghu > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 7 17:25:37 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor rebuilding question In-Reply-To: <4527B46B.9070803@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20061007152537.92222.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There are shops that rebuild electric motors. Usually it's for large motors but maybe they can do small ones??? Bob Ron wrote: Raghu, Too bad about the brush... I don't know where you can buy a motor. Try ESL in CT. You may be able to obtain a replacement brush from someone that has a bad motor with a good brush. Can anyone on this email list help? Where are you located? -- Ron Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > Ron, > > Thank you so much for your help. There was a lot of deposit on the > commutator. > > One of the brushes (1 mm cube in size) attached to little copper strip > came loose while I was cleaning. I was very careful and gentle. Guess I > have to buy a new motor or a replacement brush if available. > > Where can I buy a motor or brush from? I can't resist from asking is > there way to put the brush back - I am feeling bad I did that. > > How do I figure out the specs of the motor? Need a service manual ah? > > Raghu > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > > Phew! I got the control motor out of the mechanism. > > > > How do I get the worm off the rotor shaft? Can I just pull the > worm gently? > > No need to remove it. > > > There is a ceramic capacitor that says 104 (don't remember the color > > coding) soldered to '+' and '-' connectors, should I replace it? > > 104 = 0.01uF. No reason to replace it unless it's bad > (unlikely). > > > I can tell that this motor has been rebuilt before. The two small > > cutouts at the bottom of the motor and part of the outershell has > pry > > markings. So not sure if it can be rebuilt again. > > It's possible it can be rebuilt again. Once you open > it up, clean the commutator and brushes. If there's > still enough metal left, it should work fine. > > > If need be where I can buy a new motor from? > > > > Ron mentioned in his mail I should see 12V at the motor when PB > buttons > > are pressed but I see only 6V. Hmmm? > > Mia culpa. The driver chip gets 12V. The motor should get > anywhere from 6.5V to 7.5V. 6V is kinda low, but still, I > doubt it's a problem. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > Raghu > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > Stephen's advice was good. If the deck powers up, > > yet there is no response from the 'little motor' > > (actually, 'control motor') when transport PBs > > (PLAY, FF, REW, etc.) are pressed, it's highly > > likely that the control motor should be rebuilt. > > That's a fairly easy job (at least, for the second > > time that you do it). > > > > Before taking out the motor, though, first check to > > make sure that +12V gets to the motor. To do that, > > press transport PBs and measure the voltage across > > the motor lugs. If 12VDC, the motor should be > > rebuilt. If zero, the problem is in the logic or > > power supply. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I am new to Naktalk. > > > > > > I recently picked up a CR-2A. It looks good cosmetically but > > however, > > > doesn't do anything other than powering up. The gentleman who > > gave it to > > > me said all it needs is lubrication/servicing and it should be > > alright. > > > > > > I cleaned the 3 contacts driven by little motor with worm drive > > shaft > > > that drives a plastic cam. Still no luck. > > > > > > I came across this posting in sci.electronics.repair via google > > search > > > > > > *Problem (identical to mine):* > > > "I own a Nakamichi CR-2A cassette deck, which has been used very > > little > > > since > > > new (great shape, no sign of wear). > > > None of the transport buttons work at all. When the deck is tuned > > on the > > > green > > > light over the play button is illuminated. The light will briefly > > go out if > > > either the rewind or FF buttons are pushed, and then come back on. > > > That's it, > > > no tape movement!" > > > > > > *Suggestion by Stephen Sank: > > > *"You just need to take apart the mechanism mode drive motor, the > > little > > > one > > > with the worm drive shaft, and clean & lub the brushes & > commutator. > > > Pretty > > > easy job." > > > > > > There is no response from the original poster for Sank's > suggestion. > > > > > > I am contemplating on whether or not to open the motor. If the > > motor is > > > an issue, I don't have a choice anyway. I see around 6 volts > > coming to > > > the motor when I press play, rew or FF buttons but it doesn't > > budge. So > > > I am inclined to think it is the motor. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > I don't have a service manual. Please email me one to 'yedatore > > at gmail > > > dot com' if anyone has a soft copy. > > > > > > Thank you all in advance. > > > > > > Raghu ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sat Oct 7 16:49:44 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:49:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor rebuilding question In-Reply-To: <4527B46B.9070803@rcn.com> References: <20061007052511.21053.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> <4527B46B.9070803@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4527BE88.9050306@caribsurf.com> Did not Sanyo make similar motors for Nak? Paul Ron wrote: > > Raghu, > > Too bad about the brush... > > I don't know where you can buy a motor. Try ESL in CT. > You may be able to obtain a replacement brush from > someone that has a bad motor with a good brush. Can > anyone on this email list help? > > Where are you located? > > -- Ron > > > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: >> Ron, >> >> Thank you so much for your help. There was a lot of deposit on the >> commutator. >> >> One of the brushes (1 mm cube in size) attached to little copper >> strip came loose while I was cleaning. I was very careful and gentle. >> Guess I have to buy a new motor or a replacement brush if available. >> >> Where can I buy a motor or brush from? I can't resist from asking is >> there way to put the brush back - I am feeling bad I did that. >> >> How do I figure out the specs of the motor? Need a service manual ah? >> >> Raghu >> >> */Ron /* wrote: >> >> Raghuram Yedatore wrote: >> > Phew! I got the control motor out of the mechanism. >> > >> > How do I get the worm off the rotor shaft? Can I just pull the >> worm gently? >> >> No need to remove it. >> >> > There is a ceramic capacitor that says 104 (don't remember the >> color >> > coding) soldered to '+' and '-' connectors, should I replace it? >> >> 104 = 0.01uF. No reason to replace it unless it's bad >> (unlikely). >> >> > I can tell that this motor has been rebuilt before. The two small >> > cutouts at the bottom of the motor and part of the outershell has >> pry >> > markings. So not sure if it can be rebuilt again. >> >> It's possible it can be rebuilt again. Once you open >> it up, clean the commutator and brushes. If there's >> still enough metal left, it should work fine. >> >> > If need be where I can buy a new motor from? >> > >> > Ron mentioned in his mail I should see 12V at the motor when PB >> buttons >> > are pressed but I see only 6V. Hmmm? >> >> Mia culpa. The driver chip gets 12V. The motor should get >> anywhere from 6.5V to 7.5V. 6V is kinda low, but still, I >> doubt it's a problem. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > Raghu >> > >> > */Ron /* wrote: >> > >> > Stephen's advice was good. If the deck powers up, >> > yet there is no response from the 'little motor' >> > (actually, 'control motor') when transport PBs >> > (PLAY, FF, REW, etc.) are pressed, it's highly >> > likely that the control motor should be rebuilt. >> > That's a fairly easy job (at least, for the second >> > time that you do it). >> > >> > Before taking out the motor, though, first check to >> > make sure that +12V gets to the motor. To do that, >> > press transport PBs and measure the voltage across >> > the motor lugs. If 12VDC, the motor should be >> > rebuilt. If zero, the problem is in the logic or >> > power supply. >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: >> > > Hi All, >> > > >> > > I am new to Naktalk. >> > > >> > > I recently picked up a CR-2A. It looks good cosmetically but >> > however, >> > > doesn't do anything other than powering up. The gentleman who >> > gave it to >> > > me said all it needs is lubrication/servicing and it should be >> > alright. >> > > >> > > I cleaned the 3 contacts driven by little motor with worm drive >> > shaft >> > > that drives a plastic cam. Still no luck. >> > > >> > > I came across this posting in sci.electronics.repair via google >> > search >> > > >> > > *Problem (identical to mine):* >> > > "I own a Nakamichi CR-2A cassette deck, which has been used >> very >> > little >> > > since >> > > new (great shape, no sign of wear). >> > > None of the transport buttons work at all. When the deck is >> tuned >> > on the >> > > green >> > > light over the play button is illuminated. The light will >> briefly >> > go out if >> > > either the rewind or FF buttons are pushed, and then come >> back on. >> > > That's it, >> > > no tape movement!" >> > > >> > > *Suggestion by Stephen Sank: >> > > *"You just need to take apart the mechanism mode drive >> motor, the >> > little >> > > one >> > > with the worm drive shaft, and clean & lub the brushes & >> commutator. >> > > Pretty >> > > easy job." >> > > >> > > There is no response from the original poster for Sank's >> suggestion. >> > > >> > > I am contemplating on whether or not to open the motor. If the >> > motor is >> > > an issue, I don't have a choice anyway. I see around 6 volts >> > coming to >> > > the motor when I press play, rew or FF buttons but it doesn't >> > budge. So >> > > I am inclined to think it is the motor. >> > > >> > > Any suggestions? >> > > >> > > I don't have a service manual. Please email me one to 'yedatore >> > at gmail >> > > dot com' if anyone has a soft copy. >> > > >> > > Thank you all in advance. >> > > >> > > Raghu > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From N4229K at aol.com Sat Oct 7 19:00:59 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:00:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor rebuilding question Message-ID: <325.ea3354c.3259374b@aol.com> I may have one of these Dean In a message dated 10/7/2006 12:35:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: It's CA80007A -- Ron lenaw wrote: > Do you know the part number of the motor? There may be one in my inventory. > Thanks. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:07 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play,FF or Rew - motor rebuilding > question > > > Raghu, > > Too bad about the brush... > > I don't know where you can buy a motor. Try ESL in CT. > You may be able to obtain a replacement brush from > someone that has a bad motor with a good brush. Can > anyone on this email list help? > > Where are you located? > > -- Ron > > > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: >> Ron, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sat Oct 7 19:04:51 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 17:04:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: <200610071526.k97FQRns017433@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Luis After i disconnected FC12, i played a tape and put the left channel in of FC12 to A and B. Each time, the left and right channel LEDs did their job perfectly. I think this means the LED display assembly board is fine. Now to diodes D102 and D202. During playback : (All measurements were done with respect to GND) 1) D102 (at point A) : 0.96-1.04V 2) D202 (at point B) : 0V 3) D102 ( at anode ) : 6.24 - 6.28V 4) D202 ( at anode ) : 0.17V Hope this can provide a lead .. What do i need to do now ? Best Regards Soumi >Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) >Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:43:54 +0200 > > >noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribi�: >> >>Hi All, and Luis >>I have uploaded a part of the MR2 schematic here : >>http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR2.pdf >>This contains the line voltages at the points shown with the red arrows, >>wrt GND. >> >>Also, i checked the resistance of the diodes as Luis suggested, and these >>are the results : >> >>1) Good Diode : 94 K >>2) Supposed Bad Diode (R channel, D-102) : More that 4 megs. >> >>Does this help in any way ? Is the diode faulty then ?? >> >>Please help >> >>Best regards >>Soumi > >These make no sense to me. Please measure again, make sure the wires are >disconnected, and give me both readings (forward and reverse), for the 2 >diodes. tptal 4 readings. > >On the other hand from schematic, dc voltage drop across a conducting diode >should be 0,6 - 0,7V > >Forget about AC for the moment, and try ro read all DC s across al 4 >diodes. > >If you have a scope or freq. counter, please read feq. an point A and B. > >We'll move from there. > >rgds, LP. > _________________________________________________________________ Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp From luis at peromarta.org Sat Oct 7 19:21:12 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:21:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4527E208.6050504@peromarta.org> Soumi, Let's check for DC errors first. deck in stop position, meter in DC, please read voltages again. Next play a constant 1KHzHz test tape. if unavailable, you can try to record one yourself using a PC based tone generator. I can get you a 1KHz sine tone for your iPod if you have one. By the way, points A and B are the anodes. Do these meters light while in stop mode? rgds, LP. noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: > Hi Luis > After i disconnected FC12, i played a tape and put the left channel in > of FC12 to A and B. Each time, the left and right channel LEDs did their > job perfectly. > > I think this means the LED display assembly board is fine. > > Now to diodes D102 and D202. During playback : > > (All measurements were done with respect to GND) > > 1) D102 (at point A) : 0.96-1.04V > 2) D202 (at point B) : 0V > 3) D102 ( at anode ) : 6.24 - 6.28V > 4) D202 ( at anode ) : 0.17V > > Hope this can provide a lead .. > > What do i need to do now ? > > Best Regards > Soumi > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) >> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:43:54 +0200 >> >> >> noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: >>> >>> Hi All, and Luis >>> I have uploaded a part of the MR2 schematic here : >>> http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR2.pdf >>> This contains the line voltages at the points shown with the red >>> arrows, wrt GND. >>> >>> Also, i checked the resistance of the diodes as Luis suggested, and >>> these are the results : >>> >>> 1) Good Diode : 94 K >>> 2) Supposed Bad Diode (R channel, D-102) : More that 4 megs. >>> >>> Does this help in any way ? Is the diode faulty then ?? >>> >>> Please help >>> >>> Best regards >>> Soumi >> >> These make no sense to me. Please measure again, make sure the wires >> are disconnected, and give me both readings (forward and reverse), for >> the 2 diodes. tptal 4 readings. >> >> On the other hand from schematic, dc voltage drop across a conducting >> diode should be 0,6 - 0,7V >> >> Forget about AC for the moment, and try ro read all DC s across al 4 >> diodes. >> >> If you have a scope or freq. counter, please read feq. an point A and B. >> >> We'll move from there. >> >> rgds, LP. >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search > http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sat Oct 7 20:26:20 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:26:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: <200610071526.k97FQRns017433@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Luis in stop mode, these are the results : 1) D202 (at anode) : 6.9 VDC 2) D102 (at anode) : 0.6 VDC With a 1000 khz tone playing ... (using a PC based tone generator, soundcard output connected to MR2 Line - In and recorded on TDK Type-I tape ) 1) D202 (at anode) : 5.9 VDC 2) D102 (at anode) : 0.2 VDC Let me know Best Regards Soumi >Soumi, > >Let's check for DC errors first. deck in stop position, meter in DC, please >read voltages again. > >Next play a constant 1KHzHz test tape. if unavailable, you can try to >record one yourself using a PC based tone generator. I can get you a 1KHz >sine tone for your iPod if you have one. > >By the way, points A and B are the anodes. > >Do these meters light while in stop mode? > >rgds, LP. _________________________________________________________________ Connect with your friends who use Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Click! http://www.msnspecials.in/wlmyahoo/index.asp From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Oct 7 20:47:32 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:47:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL Extension Card M-9060A (DA09060A) Message-ID: <46D30E4B-09C8-4E0F-A68B-9C117D51A752@alumni.caltech.edu> I don't have one(so if someone does they might be a better source), but I think I know pretty much what it does. Depending on the position of what sounds like a rotary switch, it diverts a +12V signal to 9 or 10 (7kHz or 15kHz respectively) of CN-3. the oscillator PCB. It probably either uses diodes or simply doesn't make the connecation back to those pins on the mother PCB. That's at least the bare minimum. It might also ground the pin not being selected although I don't think that's strictly necessary.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Oct 7 20:58:12 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:58:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL SERVICE MANUAL NEEDED URGENTLY!! D 801, 802, 803 BLOWN! Message-ID: D801-815 on CPU PCB B, like what appears to me to be 99% of the regular diodes are 1SS53 Si diodes.-kby From luis at peromarta.org Sat Oct 7 21:01:25 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:01:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4527F985.3070004@peromarta.org> I think A and B are connecting to other parts of the circuit. Look for other A and B marks in the service manual. I think the problem comes from there. Might need a wider scan of the schematics. I need to know if the diodes are conducting or not, and how much current is flowing. Please in stop mode, using DC meter, measure voltage across R148 and R248. Place red voltmeter on diodes D102 and D202 cathodes, and the black wire to the other side of the resistance. rgds, LP. noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: > Hi Luis > > in stop mode, these are the results : > > 1) D202 (at anode) : 6.9 VDC > 2) D102 (at anode) : 0.6 VDC > > With a 1000 khz tone playing ... (using a PC based tone generator, > soundcard output connected to MR2 Line - In and recorded on TDK Type-I > tape ) > > 1) D202 (at anode) : 5.9 VDC > 2) D102 (at anode) : 0.2 VDC > > Let me know > > Best Regards > Soumi > >> Soumi, >> >> Let's check for DC errors first. deck in stop position, meter in DC, >> please read voltages again. >> >> Next play a constant 1KHzHz test tape. if unavailable, you can try to >> record one yourself using a PC based tone generator. I can get you a >> 1KHz sine tone for your iPod if you have one. >> >> By the way, points A and B are the anodes. >> >> Do these meters light while in stop mode? >> >> rgds, LP. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect with your friends who use Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Click! > http://www.msnspecials.in/wlmyahoo/index.asp > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tomas at tlec.se Sat Oct 7 21:03:53 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:03:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Uploads to WWW.NAKS.MINE.NU Message-ID: I have now, I think sorted out the FTP. Please use the following url ftp://ftp.servage.net Use "naks" as both user-name and as password. Please drop me a mail, when done, or if it fails, so I can see if it works or not. Now the contents upload directory is supposed to be hidden, which means that you would not be able to see whats there, which is the way I want it. Feel free to comment. Unfortunately, the way servage works, I can't use my own domains as ftp, as far as I know at the moment. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sat Oct 7 21:48:20 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:48:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: <200610071526.k97FQRns017433@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Luis OK, A, B are connected to the power supply area ... i have scanned that part and its here : http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR22.pdf As per the measurements here are the details: 1) Across R148 & D102 : -1.2 VDC 2) Across R248 & D202 : -0.36 VDC Thanks and Best Regards Soumi >I think A and B are connecting to other parts of the circuit. Look for >other A and B marks in the service manual. I think the problem comes from >there. Might need a wider scan of the schematics. > >I need to know if the diodes are conducting or not, and how much current is >flowing. Please in stop mode, using DC meter, measure voltage across R148 >and R248. Place red voltmeter on diodes D102 and D202 cathodes, and the >black wire to the other side of the resistance. > >rgds, LP. _________________________________________________________________ One and only Ash. Find out all about her. Only on MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/aishwarya.asp From tomas at tlec.se Sun Oct 8 01:50:31 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:50:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu Message-ID: Hi Group A couple of more files has ben added Nak 1000zxl Users Manual V2 and Service Manual V2 NAK ZX 9 Users Manual Provided by BleusNak (KJ Bleus) Nak 500 Service manual provided by Ron, With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 8 02:50:46 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061008005046.65734.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What happened the the MR-1 theory of operations manual that I've sent you twice? Aren't you going to put that one up too? Scott J. --- Tomas Larsson wrote: > Hi Group > > A couple of more files has ben added > Nak 1000zxl Users Manual V2 and Service Manual V2 > NAK ZX 9 Users Manual > Provided by BleusNak (KJ Bleus) > > Nak 500 Service manual provided by Ron, > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and > username. > Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tomas at tlec.se Sun Oct 8 03:22:52 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 03:22:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu, If you have sent files to me, w/o response In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An explanation. If you have sent files by e-mail or by www.yousendit.com and they havent shown up on the page. Right this is what has happened wit collaboration with Mr Murphy. When I came back from my holliday, one of my disks started to play up. And of course it is the "Data"-disk, the disk where my mailfolder, as well as my documents are stored. My computer simply would not boot into win with this disc connected. So I thought, that, since it is recogniced by the bios and by the em-console in XP, the disk should be recoverable. I bought a PATA>USB adapter, to hot-plug the disk while win was running. And it worked very good, however, this is the time where Mr Murphy makes his entrance. The disk was on my desk, the phone rang and I rotadet on my chair to get the phone, and the usb-cable was hooked by one of the arm-rests, and as you can imagine went to the floor, with a total disaster as a result. The disk is physically damaged. I will however recover it, but the cost $2000:- is a litle bit to much at the moment. Unfortunatly, due to the hot summer, My 70Gig DLT drive didn't work as supposed, (We don't in general use AC in Swedish homes), I have no backups since beginning of July. Now, that wouldn't be a big problem, if not, the new disk I bought as a replacement suddenly started to develop bad blocks, and of course where my mailbox is located which means that emails received during August up to last week has randomly disappeared. Again Mr Murphy had some saying. Now I think I have things under control, backing up to tape once a day and to two different discs every hour. This does not however apply to the webserver, which is out of my control, however I have the possebility to create "cron-jobs" so I neeed to figure out how to do that in order to back-up the sql-server as well as the directories, any one care to help? There is no way to back-up over the net because there is to much data, so my idea is to backup to a different directory. The main fear is obviously the SQL-server, where everything is stored. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From luis at peromarta.org Sun Oct 8 03:23:49 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 03:23:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45285325.2080509@peromarta.org> noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: > Hi Luis > OK, A, B are connected to the power supply area ... i have scanned that > part and its here : > http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR22.pdf > This can't be. There's gotta be another A and B conection somewhere, This ones are AC output from mains transformer, before the bridge, these can't go into the meters. rgds, LP. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 8 04:11:16 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:11:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: <45285325.2080509@peromarta.org> References: <45285325.2080509@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <45285E44.5060502@rcn.com> Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: >> Hi Luis >> OK, A, B are connected to the power supply area ... i have scanned >> that part and its here : >> http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR22.pdf >> > > This can't be. There's gotta be another A and B conection somewhere, > This ones are AC output from mains transformer, before the bridge, these > can't go into the meters. Actually, they can. These are the out of phase steering signals that multiplex the right and left channels to the LED display. -- Ron > > rgds, LP. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 8 05:49:57 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061008034957.49469.qmail@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tomas, That is great news! Its a tough job to set aside the time and resources for. Best Regards Bala Ganesh Tomas Larsson wrote: Hi Group A couple of more files has ben added Nak 1000zxl Users Manual V2 and Service Manual V2 NAK ZX 9 Users Manual Provided by BleusNak (KJ Bleus) Nak 500 Service manual provided by Ron, With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. 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URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 09:46:10 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 07:46:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) Ron In-Reply-To: <200610080051.k980pUvm022344@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Luis I have scanned a copy of the MR2 service manual with all the schematics. Available at : http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR2BR.pdf (20 mb) Please take a look at it and let me know how to proceed solving this problem. Best Regards Soumi >Luis Peromarta wrote: > > >noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribi�: >>Hi Luis >>OK, A, B are connected to the power supply area ... i have scanned that >>part and its here : >>http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR22.pdf >> > >This can't be. There's gotta be another A and B conection somewhere, This >ones are AC output from mains transformer, before the bridge, these can't >go into the meters. Actually, they can. These are the out of phase steering signals that multiplex the right and left channels to the LED display. -- Ron > >rgds, LP. _________________________________________________________________ Spice up your IM conversations. New, colorful and animated emoticons. Get chatting! http://server1.msn.co.in/SP05/emoticons/ From luis at peromarta.org Sun Oct 8 10:00:30 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:00:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: <45285E44.5060502@rcn.com> References: <45285325.2080509@peromarta.org> <45285E44.5060502@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4528B01E.9070609@peromarta.org> Sorry Ron, I don't get it. If A and B are connected to mains transformer, signal there is pure AC 16V rms aprox. No DC. True these are out of phase. Soumi has been measuring DC there which is not compatible with output from mains trf. On the other hand, that would provide a single wave rectification at the anodes of D302 and D301, that would light up both displays full swing. I will take a look at the full sevice manual Soumi has put on line. Best rgds, LP. Ron escribió: > Luis Peromarta wrote: >> >> >> noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: >>> Hi Luis >>> OK, A, B are connected to the power supply area ... i have scanned >>> that part and its here : >>> http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR22.pdf >>> >> >> This can't be. There's gotta be another A and B conection somewhere, >> This ones are AC output from mains transformer, before the bridge, >> these can't go into the meters. > > Actually, they can. These are the out of phase steering > signals that multiplex the right and left channels to > the LED display. > > -- Ron > > >> >> rgds, LP. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sun Oct 8 11:02:43 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 11:02:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) In-Reply-To: <4528B01E.9070609@peromarta.org> References: <45285325.2080509@peromarta.org> <45285E44.5060502@rcn.com> <4528B01E.9070609@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <4528BEB3.1030902@peromarta.org> I do now. I kept thinking A and B where inputs to the led driver! Now I see the picture with the complete schematic. This is pretty clever. Swinging AC in A and B alternatively mutes one channel, and supply the half wave rectified DC to the array of leds for the opposite channel. Let's star over again. Deck in stop mode. AC and DC readings at A and B. (Sorry, I have deleted some previous messages :) ) A should read aprox 15.6VAC, B should read aprox 17VAC. The cathodes of D102 and D202 should read around 10VDC each. Let me know. Luis Peromarta escribió: > Sorry Ron, I don't get it. > > If A and B are connected to mains transformer, signal there is pure AC > 16V rms aprox. No DC. True these are out of phase. Soumi has been > measuring DC there which is not compatible with output from mains trf. > > On the other hand, that would provide a single wave rectification at the > anodes of D302 and D301, that would light up both displays full swing. > > I will take a look at the full sevice manual Soumi has put on line. > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > Ron escribió: >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> >>> >>> noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: >>>> Hi Luis >>>> OK, A, B are connected to the power supply area ... i have scanned >>>> that part and its here : >>>> http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR22.pdf >>>> >>> >>> This can't be. There's gotta be another A and B conection somewhere, >>> This ones are AC output from mains transformer, before the bridge, >>> these can't go into the meters. >> >> Actually, they can. These are the out of phase steering >> signals that multiplex the right and left channels to >> the LED display. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> >>> rgds, LP. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Oct 7 21:07:41 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 19:07:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? Message-ID: Dear Ben, Sorry I own a Technics SL-1200 have ONLY two speeds 33.33 & 45 RPM...so 78 YOU CAN GET IT....SORRY!!! Peace,ALEX! > Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:03:34 -0400> To: naktalk at naks.com> From: btorre at ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these??> > At 09:16 AM 10/6/06, you wrote:> >Everyone must remember if you see a turntable that has 78 speed used > >anywhere, get it!> >Bob> > Why not modify the pile of direct drive turntables we see put out as > bulk trash every day for 78.26 RPM with a +/- 20% pitch > control. That would pretty well cover almost every 78 ever > made. I've seen guys do that to the old Technics SL-1200.> > I would have done that years ago, but I have an Empire 208 with an > SME series III arm that has a 78 speed. (it replaced my direct drive > Sony well over 20 years ago.) Anything I need in between that speed > I get by feeding it with a small inverter that I rigged to be driven > by an external variable oscillator. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Stay connected with the news, people, places and online services that matter to you on Live.com http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there anyway to get the specs of the Nak motor? http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/en_US/cat_files/rs_360sh.pdf Please let me know if you have spare one. I can send you a check or pay via paypal. I see these two numbers on the motor: VA700B04 & 90310-B Thank you. Raghu N4229K at aol.com wrote: I may have one of these Dean In a message dated 10/7/2006 12:35:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: It's CA80007A -- Ron lenaw wrote: > Do you know the part number of the motor? There may be one in my inventory. > Thanks. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:07 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play,FF or Rew - motor rebuilding > question > > > Raghu, > > Too bad about the brush... > > I don't know where you can buy a motor. Try ESL in CT. > You may be able to obtain a replacement brush from > someone that has a bad motor with a good brush. Can > anyone on this email list help? > > Where are you located? > > -- Ron > > > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: >> Ron, ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ken _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bernard White Sent: October 7, 2006 9:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu I downloaded a 1000ZXL manual a while back: it turns out to be a ZXL Limited manual. Are there any significant differences between the two manuals? Bernard White _____ Check out the latest video at Xtra Broadband -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sun Oct 8 08:11:00 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:11:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6bddc1110610072311w2acde23bv3730b83483fd1078@mail.gmail.com> Is it a "ZXL Limited" Manual or a "ZXL" Limited manual? I was always under the impression that the "L" in "ZXL" stood for "Limited" but I could be completely wrong. -Tim On 10/7/06, Bernard White wrote: > > I downloaded a 1000ZXL manual a while back: it turns out to be a ZXL * > Limited* manual. Are there any significant differences between the two > manuals? > > Bernard White > > ------------------------------ > Check out the latest video at Xtra Broadband > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Sorry, I have deleted some previous > messages :) ) > > A should read aprox 15.6VAC, B should read aprox 17VAC. > > The cathodes of D102 and D202 should read around 10VDC each. > > Let me know. > > > > Luis Peromarta escribió: >> Sorry Ron, I don't get it. >> >> If A and B are connected to mains transformer, signal there is pure AC >> 16V rms aprox. No DC. True these are out of phase. Soumi has been >> measuring DC there which is not compatible with output from mains trf. >> >> On the other hand, that would provide a single wave rectification at >> the anodes of D302 and D301, that would light up both displays full >> swing. >> >> I will take a look at the full sevice manual Soumi has put on line. >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> >> Ron escribió: >>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: >>>>> Hi Luis >>>>> OK, A, B are connected to the power supply area ... i have scanned >>>>> that part and its here : >>>>> http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/MR22.pdf >>>>> >>>> >>>> This can't be. There's gotta be another A and B conection somewhere, >>>> This ones are AC output from mains transformer, before the bridge, >>>> these can't go into the meters. >>> >>> Actually, they can. These are the out of phase steering >>> signals that multiplex the right and left channels to >>> the LED display. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>>> >>>> rgds, LP. >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Click! http://www.msnspecials.in/wlmyahoo/index.asp From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 8 16:03:37 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:03:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu In-Reply-To: <004401c6eb65$4947e2f0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> References: <004401c6eb65$4947e2f0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: <45290539.50000@rcn.com> Ken Mashlan wrote: > You have to wear a suit while reading the limited manual J… Actually, a tuxedo will be more appropriate :-). -- Ron > > > > Apart from some technical specs, they are functionally identical. > > > > Ken > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Bernard White > *Sent:* October 7, 2006 9:40 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu > > > > I downloaded a 1000ZXL manual a while back: it turns out to be a ZXL > //Limited// manual. Are there any significant differences between the > two manuals? > > Bernard White > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check out the latest video at Xtra Broadband > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 8 16:12:44 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:12:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: <20061006131654.57920.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061006131654.57920.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4529075C.3010004@rcn.com> My 3 speed Dual CS-5000 is absolutely excellent for the price. Even lauded by the snotty folks at Stereophile. They pop on ebay from time to time, for $150 to $300 or so. Depending on the cartridge that comes with it, you may be able to obtain a 3 mil stylus for it. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Everyone must remember if you see a turntable that has 78 speed used > anywhere, get it! > Bob > > */Geoff Ward /* wrote: > > Would transfer if I could...have a very high end turntable but it > only spins at 33 and 45 RPM. And no proper 78 RPM cartridge / needle > combo either. Would hate to cuase damage as all of these records > look to be inn great shape. > Agree with preserving them...that's the reason for the risk of an > off topic post. So much material is lost because no time is taken to > preserve it. Can't believe you found those in a dumpster!! What a > waste had you not found them... > > */Ben Torre /* wrote: > > At 04:07 PM 10/5/06, you wrote: > >I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from > those > >who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. > > I picked up a mint-condition CR-1A from the local Salvation Army > for > all of $10. Didn't need even the slightest amount of work. It now > sits in the Nak system I rigged up for the ladyfriend with a 410, > 420, and 430. (It's still mine, but I let her borrow it... made > that point crystal clear!) > > 78s.... I rescue them whenever I can, but the general public > doesn't > value them. Just last week, I rescued a bunch of 1930s-era > library-cased 78s... all nearly mint... from the dumpster outside > the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some twit just heaved them into > the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad part is that they > appeared to > have been unplayed & apart from some mold on the cases, mint > condition prior to being heaved. I can't imagine what special > variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski, Ormandy, Toscanini, > and the like. > > I strongly suggest you transfer them for yourself since many of the > performances there never made it to LP, and what few did make it to > LP never made it to CD. Preserve the history, 'cause once it is > gone, it is gone forever. > > Nak content: if we don't remain vigilant, much otherwise excellent > Nak gear will meet a similar fate. Don't think so? Not a month ago, > a cousin gave me an Aiwa F-770 machine with the comment "does > anyone > actually use cassettes anymore??" Well... I sure do! > > Then there was the time I found a Marantz 7T, a 15, and a 10B > put out > for bulk trash pickup.... > > 'Nuff Said, > Ben > From luis at peromarta.org Sun Oct 8 16:37:13 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:37:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) (Luis Peromarta) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45290D19.9070702@peromarta.org> OK, AC is not reaching point B. It should read 17VAC. Measure point B in the power supply board. If you read 17VAC there, there's a problem with the wiring. Let me know. noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: > Hi Luis > Ok, here we go again :) > > Firstly ... how the hell do i reply to messages within a thread ?? > everytime i try replying from the hotmail account it seems to start a > new thread. > > Ok, here are the voltages : (with respect to GND) > > Point A) : 15.9 VAC > Point B) : 0 VAC > > (D202 cathode) : -0.54 VDC > (D102 cathode) : +0.01 VDC > > (D202 anode) : +7.43 VDC > (D102 anode) : +0.62 VDC > > Best Regards > Soumi > > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect with your friends who use Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Click! > http://www.msnspecials.in/wlmyahoo/index.asp > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 17:05:13 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 15:05:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) (Luis Peromarta) In-Reply-To: <200610080940.k989efIJ024026@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Luis I traced the AC to the diode D-402. One of the outputs shows 15.5 VAC and the other is 0V. This is a Double SiD, value= MC921 So i guess this diode is the culprit ... Im not sure Ill even get this diode here, can anybody tell me possible equivalent values or maybe if it is available ,.. then send to me ? What would be the cost of this ? Best Regards Soumi >OK, AC is not reaching point B. It should read 17VAC. Measure point B in >the power supply board. If you read 17VAC there, there's a problem with the >wiring. >Let me know. _________________________________________________________________ Tried the new MSN Messenger? It�s cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in From luis at peromarta.org Sun Oct 8 17:33:08 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:33:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) (Luis Peromarta) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45291A34.3080506@peromarta.org> Check AC on fuse F401 in power supply board, both sides, and let me know. noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: > Hi Luis > I traced the AC to the diode D-402. One of the outputs shows 15.5 VAC > and the other is 0V. This is a Double SiD, value= MC921 > So i guess this diode is the culprit ... Im not sure Ill even get this > diode here, can anybody tell me possible equivalent values or maybe if > it is available ,.. then send to me ? What would be the cost of this ? > > Best Regards > Soumi > > >> OK, AC is not reaching point B. It should read 17VAC. Measure point B >> in the power supply board. If you read 17VAC there, there's a problem >> with the wiring. >> Let me know. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tried the new MSN Messenger? It’s cool! Download now. > http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 8 17:43:26 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 11:43:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) (Luis Peromarta) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45291C9E.4090009@rcn.com> I wasn't going to butt in, but has it occurred to you to check fuse F401? -- Ron noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi Luis > I traced the AC to the diode D-402. One of the outputs shows 15.5 VAC > and the other is 0V. This is a Double SiD, value= MC921 > So i guess this diode is the culprit ... Im not sure Ill even get this > diode here, can anybody tell me possible equivalent values or maybe if > it is available ,.. then send to me ? What would be the cost of this ? > > Best Regards > Soumi > > >> OK, AC is not reaching point B. It should read 17VAC. Measure point B >> in the power supply board. If you read 17VAC there, there's a problem >> with the wiring. >> Let me know. > From gpatoul at hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 16:30:28 2006 From: gpatoul at hotmail.com (george patoulidis) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:30:28 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon repair problems Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 17:50:04 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 15:50:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) (Luis Peromarta) In-Reply-To: <200610080940.k989efIJ024026@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Luis i actually do not see any AC voltage coming to the fuse F401 ... The AC voltage coming in is only from 1 of the wires from the transformer. Is this by any chance due to the fact that i am using a Step-down transformer for converting 230 VAC to 120 VAC ? The MR2 is a 12 VAC machine. Let me know Best Regards Soumi >Check AC on fuse F401 in power supply board, both sides, and let me know. _________________________________________________________________ Live the life in style with MSN Lifestyle. Check out! http://content.msn.co.in/Lifestyle/Default From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 17:52:09 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 15:52:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <200610080940.k989efIJ024026@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron Well, im glad to hear inputs from you as well ... like i said to Luis, there is no AC voltage coming in to the fuse F401 from the transformer ... yet the deck plays beautifully ... only on 1/2 cycle AC ?? I cant understand whats wrong Best regards Soumi >I wasn't going to butt in, but has it occurred to you to >check fuse F401? _________________________________________________________________ NRIs: Send Money FREE! Go ahead and register now! http://ads.mediaturf.net/event.ng/Type=click&FlightID=20273&AdID=65989&TargetID=11172&Targets=11172&Values=202,414,1093,1264,3122&Redirect=http:%2F%2Fwww.icicinri.net%2Fmoney2india%2F%3Fm2i%3DBAC-MSN%26att%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR%26rfr%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR From luis at peromarta.org Sun Oct 8 17:58:00 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:58:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) (Luis Peromarta) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45292008.4080402@peromarta.org> Are you checking BOTH sides of the fuses? Or are you reading voltages from the transformer itself ? Do the following: Unplug the deck from mains, and check with an ohm-meter if fuse 401 is OK or if it's open. (near 0 Ohms = good) If it's open, replace it. If it's OK, plug in the deck, switch on and check AC on the mains transormer itself (secondary winding). If no AC there, bad tranformer, needs replacing. rgds, LP. noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: > Hi Luis > i actually do not see any AC voltage coming to the fuse F401 ... The AC > voltage coming in is only from 1 of the wires from the transformer. > > Is this by any chance due to the fact that i am using a Step-down > transformer for converting 230 VAC to 120 VAC ? > The MR2 is a 12 VAC machine. > > Let me know > > Best Regards > Soumi > > >> Check AC on fuse F401 in power supply board, both sides, and let me know. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Live the life in style with MSN Lifestyle. Check out! > http://content.msn.co.in/Lifestyle/Default > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 8 18:41:15 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 12:41:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45292A2B.4070803@rcn.com> Well, remove F401 and measure again. If still no AC from the power transformer side, disconnect the power transformer lead and measure directly at the wire. It's possible for the deck to sound OK with a half wave power supply. -- Ron noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi Ron > Well, im glad to hear inputs from you as well ... like i said to Luis, > there is no AC voltage coming in to the fuse F401 from the transformer > ... yet the deck plays beautifully ... only on 1/2 cycle AC ?? > I cant understand whats wrong > > Best regards > Soumi > >> I wasn't going to butt in, but has it occurred to you to >> check fuse F401? > From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 18:42:49 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:42:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) (Luis Peromarta) In-Reply-To: <200610080940.k989efIJ024026@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Ok, so i guess the transformer is faulty ... coz with the power off, with an ohmmeter, i see some resistance between the GND and one AC wire only. What are the specifications of this transformer ?? ie, the secondary voltage and max current etc ?? Can i replace this with a generic transformer of similar specs ? Let me know Best regards Soumi >Are you checking BOTH sides of the fuses? Or are you reading voltages from >the transformer itself ? > >Do the following: > >Unplug the deck from mains, and check with an ohm-meter if fuse 401 is OK >or if it's open. (near 0 Ohms = good) > >If it's open, replace it. If it's OK, plug in the deck, switch on and check >AC on the mains transormer itself (secondary winding). If no AC there, bad >tranformer, needs replacing. > >rgds, LP. _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Search�say hello! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG From luis at peromarta.org Sun Oct 8 18:53:48 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:53:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 2. Re: MR2 LED Indicator problem (Revisited) (Luis Peromarta) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45292D1C.6030700@peromarta.org> I guess you can. the +12V rail has a 7812 IC for voltage regulation, and the -6 V has very little use and a lot of input impedance, so the zenner would suffice. Find a transformer with your input voltage (you can then do with no step-down) and an output voltage of 15 to 20V rms, this is not critical, and aprox the same size as yours. (same size most of the times means same VA - power - rating). Make sure it's got a double secondary, or a middle point gnd connection. Good luck. noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: > Hi > Ok, so i guess the transformer is faulty ... coz with the power off, > with an ohmmeter, i see some resistance between the GND and one AC wire > only. > > What are the specifications of this transformer ?? ie, the secondary > voltage and max current etc ?? > > Can i replace this with a generic transformer of similar specs ? > > Let me know > > Best regards > Soumi > >> Are you checking BOTH sides of the fuses? Or are you reading voltages >> from the transformer itself ? >> >> Do the following: >> >> Unplug the deck from mains, and check with an ohm-meter if fuse 401 is >> OK or if it's open. (near 0 Ohms = good) >> >> If it's open, replace it. If it's OK, plug in the deck, switch on and >> check AC on the mains transormer itself (secondary winding). If no AC >> there, bad tranformer, needs replacing. >> >> rgds, LP. > > _________________________________________________________________ > The next generation of Search—say hello! > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 19:08:23 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:08:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] WOOOOOHOOOOO !!! MR2 Fixed !!! In-Reply-To: <200610080940.k989efIJ024026@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Luis, Ron I managed to locate the transformer copper wire that was broken. Lucky for me it was a salvageable job. So i soldered a lead of a Jumper to the wire and the other end to the output wire and all is working great again. Thanks guys !! and thanks Naktalk for helping me get this going. Best Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ The next best thing! Messenger Video Conversation. Click here! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview2000 From luis at peromarta.org Sun Oct 8 19:27:01 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 19:27:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] WOOOOOHOOOOO !!! MR2 Fixed !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <452934E5.9060907@peromarta.org> Congratulations. rgds, LP. noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: > Hi Luis, Ron > > I managed to locate the transformer copper wire that was broken. Lucky > for me it was a salvageable job. So i soldered a lead of a Jumper to the > wire and the other end to the output wire and all is working great again. > > Thanks guys !! and thanks Naktalk for helping me get this going. > > Best Regards > Soumi > > _________________________________________________________________ > The next best thing! Messenger Video Conversation. Click here! > http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview2000 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 20:11:38 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:11:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] WOOOOOHOOOOO !!! MR2 Fixed !!! Message-ID: Thanks Luis Thanks for all the patience. Besides getting this fixed and having the satisfaction that my Nak is not disabled, this was a great learning experience for me. Best Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Live the life in style with MSN Lifestyle. Check out! http://content.msn.co.in/Lifestyle/Default From bernardsda at hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 20:17:59 2006 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:17:59 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu In-Reply-To: <004401c6eb65$4947e2f0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Oct 8 20:20:13 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:20:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] WOOOOOHOOOOO !!! MR2 Fixed !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4529415D.3020903@peromarta.org> No problem ;) Best rgds, LP. noneyhoney at hotmail.com escribió: > Thanks Luis > Thanks for all the patience. > Besides getting this fixed and having the satisfaction that my Nak is > not disabled, this was a great learning experience for me. > > Best Regards > Soumi > > _________________________________________________________________ > Live the life in style with MSN Lifestyle. Check out! > http://content.msn.co.in/Lifestyle/Default > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bernardsda at hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 20:20:41 2006 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:20:41 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110610072311w2acde23bv3730b83483fd1078@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 8 20:37:36 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:37:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WOOOOOHOOOOO !!! MR2 Fixed !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45294570.9020009@rcn.com> All well that ends well... -- Ron noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi Luis, Ron > > I managed to locate the transformer copper wire that was broken. Lucky > for me it was a salvageable job. So i soldered a lead of a Jumper to the > wire and the other end to the output wire and all is working great again. > > Thanks guys !! and thanks Naktalk for helping me get this going. > > Best Regards > Soumi From tomas at tlec.se Sun Oct 8 13:55:48 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 13:55:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] News www.naks.mine.nu Message-ID: Hi group I have added the following document: MR-1 Principle of Operations manual, It's pretty much applies to the BX-300 except for section 3. This document was contributed by Scott Johnson. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sun Oct 8 21:22:10 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 21:22:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] B&O Wow/Fluttermeter WM1A Message-ID: <006701c6eb0f$0f5826f0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, Two Bang and Olufsen Wow / Fluttermeter WM1A is for sale at www.dba.dk Price for the first $115 - and $140 for this one (link) http://www.dba.dk/asp/soegning/detail.asp?annonceid=46255522 As I might one day need to check / adjust some of my naks I wonder if I get one of these beasts. 1) Can wow and flutter be measured in other setups? 2) Anything to look out for if I buy? Best Regards, Per From luis at peromarta.org Sun Oct 8 21:25:29 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:25:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] B&O Wow/Fluttermeter WM1A In-Reply-To: <006701c6eb0f$0f5826f0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <006701c6eb0f$0f5826f0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <452950A9.1030507@peromarta.org> I'd look for a T-100. One ended last week around 200EUR. Best rgds, LP. Per escribió: > Hi, > > Two Bang and Olufsen Wow / Fluttermeter WM1A is for sale at > www.dba.dk Price for the first $115 - and $140 for this one (link) > http://www.dba.dk/asp/soegning/detail.asp?annonceid=46255522 > As I might one day need to check / adjust some of my naks I wonder if I > get one of these beasts. 1) Can wow and flutter be measured in other > setups? 2) Anything to look out for if I buy? > > Best Regards, > > Per > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Oct 8 23:03:25 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:03:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL specification of diode ! D 801, 802, 803 1SS53 on cpu Message-ID: <1B76FECA-4AFF-45CF-A49E-87F4E8B7A1FA@alumni.caltech.edu> Don't know where to get them new. I've generally cannibalized some from some parts machines as they generally don't go unless abused and Nak used the same diodes in almost all their machines of this (and earlier) error. I'm not the real EE here, so you should probably get a second opinion on the following, but to me they are general purpose Si switching diodes and they aren't in the signal path so Si diode with an appropriate PIV should work fine. They're mostly in a 12V path, although some allowance should be made for error; a higher PIV generally won't hurt. There are some diodes that are different elsewhere, so don't take this as a blanket statement for every diode in these machines, but most of them are this.-kby From enoyes at snet.net Sun Oct 8 23:28:56 2006 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:28:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: <452659C4.90605@cox.net> References: <20061006131654.57920.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <452659C4.90605@cox.net> Message-ID: <45296D98.80506@snet.net> That was actually the old Philips with the soft touch electronic switches. Ed Tim Barrett wrote: > I believe some of the older belt drive Duals which only had buttons > for 33 and 45 would play 78 if you pushed both buttons at the same > time... or was it the older B&Os..... I need to look into this. Funny > how 33+45=78. There is bound to be a good story there. Anyone know > what that story could be? > > Bob Naylor wrote: > >> Everyone must remember if you see a turntable that has 78 speed used >> anywhere, get it! >> Bob >> >> */Geoff Ward /* wrote: >> >> Would transfer if I could...have a very high end turntable but it >> only spins at 33 and 45 RPM. And no proper 78 RPM cartridge / >> needle combo either. Would hate to cuase damage as all of these >> records look to be inn great shape. >> Agree with preserving them...that's the reason for the risk of an >> off topic post. So much material is lost because no time is taken >> to preserve it. Can't believe you found those in a dumpster!! What >> a waste had you not found them... >> >> */Ben Torre /* wrote: >> >> At 04:07 PM 10/5/06, you wrote: >> >I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from >> those >> >who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. >> >> I picked up a mint-condition CR-1A from the local Salvation >> Army for >> all of $10. Didn't need even the slightest amount of work. It >> now >> sits in the Nak system I rigged up for the ladyfriend with a >> 410, >> 420, and 430. (It's still mine, but I let her borrow it... made >> that point crystal clear!) >> >> 78s.... I rescue them whenever I can, but the general public >> doesn't >> value them. Just last week, I rescued a bunch of 1930s-era >> library-cased 78s... all nearly mint... from the dumpster >> outside >> the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some twit just heaved them >> into >> the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad part is that they >> appeared to >> have been unplayed & apart from some mold on the cases, mint >> condition prior to being heaved. I can't imagine what special >> variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski, Ormandy, Toscanini, >> and the like. >> >> I strongly suggest you transfer them for yourself since many >> of the >> performances there never made it to LP, and what few did make >> it to >> LP never made it to CD. Preserve the history, 'cause once it is >> gone, it is gone forever. >> >> Nak content: if we don't remain vigilant, much otherwise >> excellent >> Nak gear will meet a similar fate. Don't think so? Not a month >> ago, >> a cousin gave me an Aiwa F-770 machine with the comment "does >> anyone >> actually use cassettes anymore??" Well... I sure do! >> >> Then there was the time I found a Marantz 7T, a 15, and a 10B >> put out >> for bulk trash pickup.... >> >> 'Nuff Said, >> Ben >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Get on board. You're invited >> >> >> >> to try the new Yahoo! >> >> Mail.========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 9 00:17:08 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:17:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL specification of diode ! D 801, 802, 803 1SS53 on cpu In-Reply-To: <1B76FECA-4AFF-45CF-A49E-87F4E8B7A1FA@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <1B76FECA-4AFF-45CF-A49E-87F4E8B7A1FA@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <452978E4.4080403@rcn.com> The 1SS53 is a general purpose Si diode, V(r)=30V, I(f)=100mA. Use the Ubiquitous 1N914 or whatever... -- Ron Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Don't know where to get them new. I've generally cannibalized some from > some parts machines as they > generally don't go unless abused and Nak used the same diodes in almost > all their machines of this (and earlier) > error. > > I'm not the real EE here, so you should probably get a second opinion on > the following, but to me they are general purpose > Si switching diodes and they aren't in the signal path so Si diode with > an appropriate PIV should work fine. They're mostly in a 12V path, > although some allowance should be made for error; a higher PIV generally > won't hurt. > > There are some diodes that are different elsewhere, so don't take this > as a blanket statement for every diode in these machines, but > most of them are this.-kby From bphipps at ucalgary.ca Sun Oct 8 19:25:14 2006 From: bphipps at ucalgary.ca (Barry Phipps) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 11:25:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 loss of high frequencies problem Message-ID: <4529347A.8070003@ucalgary.ca> I have a Nakamichi 480 that I bought new in 1982 and used with great pleasure for 5 or 6 years to record and play back vinyl. Since then I haven’t used the deck much, just firing it up on occasion to play some of those early tapes. It still works great and delivers wonderful sound except for one very annoying problem. Near the beginning of 90 min tapes, there is an occasional sudden loss of high frequencies during playback. If I stop and restart the tape, the sound is normal again… until the next time it happens. The problem only seems to occur near the beginning of the tape, and only with some 90 min tapes and never with 60’s. Sometimes the effect is subtle, other times painfully obvious. Another minor issue that may be related is that sometimes a 90 min tape will start and then immediately stop when playing from the beginning of the tape. If I wind the tape forward by hand a turn or two, the problem goes away. All of this suggested some kind of issue related to high torque and maybe slippage(?). I took the deck to a shop where they performed a thorough cleaning and adjustment and found a build up of glazing or deposit on some kind of roller (sorry, I don’t remember the exact term) which they did their best to remove. This resulted in significant improvement but the problem persists, just less frequent. Can anyone give me an idea what is going on here and what might be involved in fixing the problem? I might have the skills to do the repairs myself if they are not too involved… otherwise I guess I will have to determine if it is worth investing in a professional repair job or if I should accept that I am better off selling the deck to someone who has the savvy to fix it. BTW I have been following the Naktalk list for 2 months now and have been very impressed with the knowledge of the participants; I know I am out of my depth here but am hoping one or more of you can give me some helpful advice! Thanks in advance. Barry bphipps at ucalgary.ca From appleson at gate.net Sun Oct 8 20:05:18 2006 From: appleson at gate.net (Pat Appleson) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:05:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPM Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061008133353.01a2b6a0@gate.net> Hi all, I enjoy reading how you solve the Nak problems. I'm down to four MR2's. Yes, we still need a good Cassette from time to time. But you already know that. I've got a unit with a bad LED array, I'm gonna jump on it tom. Let's see if I can kill it. I don't think it's the power transformer though. Regarding the 78RPM thread: I have a complete transfer chain for Phonograph records and Transcriptions. If you really need the service, I'm quite reasonable. I run dual Matsushita/Panasonic/Technics Model SP-10 MkII's. These are the three speed jobs for Broadcast use. I'm the original owner. We purchased them around 1978 with the original volcanic glass base. They weight about fifty lbs. without the turntable. These are direct drive under digtal control (no Z80's) just lots of IC's. They start in 1/8 turn and spin at EXACTLY 78.26 rpm. I've got Gray Research/Micro Trak tone arms on one with various Stanton carts. On the other, again, I'm the original owner of a Shure/SME Ltd MODEL SME-3009 SERIES II TRANSCRIPTION ARM with various Stanton & Ortofon moving coil carts. All of these have various Stanton "needles" for 78.26 RPM records. For you hard core geeks, I've even got General Electric VR-II mono variable reluctance magetic pickups for mono records. Just get out the Paul Revere & the Radiers and Tony Bennett stuff from Colombia and it's Back to the Future. For my preamp chain I can choose from McIntosh C-20 preamp with all the goofy roll-offs. AudioMetrics/Radio Systems, Inc. RIAA phono pre or Pacific Recorders & Engineering Turntable preamps. The above gets the job done and onto CD/DVD for safe keeping. BTW, most of the TT's mentioned on this list rumble like crazy. The SP10mk-II does not. The UN Weighted rumble is below 70 db. We didn't believe it either. It took about 20 seconds to convince us in a demo. Then we just laid our money down. It was around $3000 for the TT and Base in 1978. The good news is, I've never needed to buy another one. Kinda like the Nak MR2. I know with a little TLC that I'll never need to purchase the cheezey Teac's. I'll either retire or croak first. He's the latest newspaper story about us http://www.appleson.com/HDR1.htm Feel free to drop me an email if you wanna ship some discs for transfer. Best Regards Pat Patrick G. Appleson, Pres. Pat Appleson Studios, Inc. 2359 Highway 70, SE Suite 102 Hickory, NC 28602 828 465-5500 or 954 587-7900 www.appleson.com email: appleson at gate.net From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sun Oct 8 20:08:47 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 11:08:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu References: <004401c6eb65$4947e2f0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> <45290539.50000@rcn.com> Message-ID: <0d6201c6eb04$cd69fe30$9e274446@a72400shuttle> The hell with dressing up - stay in your robe and get your butler to read it to you! From daves at intergate.com Mon Oct 9 02:06:18 2006 From: daves at intergate.com (David) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:06:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 zxl, having problems PLEASE HELP!!! Thanks! In-Reply-To: <319.abf57ba.324350f3@aol.com> Message-ID: <000401c6eb36$bf136b00$7e00eb04@neptune> Demagnetize and things may improve. -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com [mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 zxl, having problems PLEASE HELP!!! Thanks! Hi Everyone! Finally got to check the 1000 zxl after taking it apart to install new capstan belt, the orignal one was thin the new one is thick! Here what is and is not working : Cosmetically the machine is near mint condition, the face plate like new! The tape transport button are working , fast forward , rewind works great! The play speed is slow! ( installed new capstan belt which is same size like to original but has more thickness) sound can be heard faintly from both channels but badly distorted and there is lots of static noise ! the auto cal(ABLE) is not functioning. The pre-amp is working great but the recorded sound is just static! The vu meters works interminently but they do work. The test tone dont work it was working interminently when swtiched but now it quit for good. Any kind help to fix this great tape deck will be much appreciated! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Oct 9 02:09:48 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 02:09:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061006035201.03ccc9f0@ix.netcom.com> References: <29DAD062-2456-49F4-B2E4-7FCCF1AFB6CA@alumni.caltech.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20061006035201.03ccc9f0@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:37:51 -0400, Ben Torre wrote: >Whatever you do, don't forget that some of the best freebie hunting >grounds are apartments when the leases turn over. (typically June >which is when people seem to move - few want to load up a U-Haul in >the snow) Rather than making an extra trip to lug things like >antiquated stereo gear, many would rather just dumpster it right >there. I can't begin to tell you how much great stuff I've pulled >out of apartment house dumpsters. I have found a neat audio rack of the old late 70s early 80s variant with wood all over and glass door. I found it in pouring rain and I was determined to get it in and dry it up because it was not some noname rack, it is a Pioneer rack. Getting stuff for free is the ticket to further retrohappiness, if it doesn't work it is no expense, if it can be repaired you are willing to put more into it as aquisition was 0 money. Also if the stuff works out right away youare even more pleased and also very happy to be in the right place at the right time. My best hauls have been at our city recycling deposit. I saw a guy deposit a cardboard box in the electronics section while I was going through a dumpster - I almost told him to come back and empty the innards out in the dumpsters for electronics and take the packing to the other dumpsters like he should. But when I got close to the box it said REGA on the side, so I was hoping the Planar 3 might be inside. A quick peek was enough and I carefully carried it home on my bike. Works like a charm and it had an additional cartridge, Ortofon OM30. Another time I got a mint Yamaha M-70 power amp. All I had to do was put in a few fuse and it has kept working ever since. Now they do not allow pinching of stuff, so I am missing some gems. But on ther other hand I have only a one room apartment and I was running out of space when they decided to keep people from fighting over the stuff. The only Nak I ever got is a beat up CR-3E which I fear I will never get to work. The transport panel is busted and I have no way to activate it. Maybe this winter I will build a remote connectors box and chec kit out. As the only expense is sweat from biking it home I have so many project lined up. The other week I found a Denon DCD-1600 cd player from 1987 up against a fence not far from the recycling deposit so someone obviously tried to haul it home and decided it probably wasn't worth it. It did have some small bugs inside it and was not keen to see the discs when the tray went it, but it did play the disc when it was inside when turning on. The player is very heavy and has extra dampening metal plates in the lid cover. it is a 110V only device and there was even a small voltage adapter. Nice find. -Mikkel From madhurifan at yahoo.com Mon Oct 9 03:08:53 2006 From: madhurifan at yahoo.com (Raghuram Yedatore) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Control Motor or Brush. Part #: CA80007A Message-ID: <20061009010853.34256.qmail@web51011.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, Pardon me for being a little pesky. Please let me know if you can spare a motor or brush. Thank you. Raghu --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Mon Oct 9 12:14:17 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:14:17 +0000 Subject: Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Control Motor or Brush. Part #: CA80007A In-Reply-To: <200610091000.k99A0CvW001371@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Raghu In case you do not find a suitable motor, i would suggest 2 options : 1) Remove the brush from another konked out motor, maybe a Nak or some other motor and try and work in the brush somehow. 2) Get some copper strips and cut and make your own as per existing design. The latter i have personally done many times ... and they've worked each time. Just remember to keep the end of the strip (the part over the commutator) a little rounded ... maybe press it against a ball point pen refill for a rounded shape. Ok, thats about all the DIY i can spare :) Best regards Soumi >From: Raghuram Yedatore >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Control Motor or Brush. Part #: CA80007A >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:08:53 -0700 (PDT) >Hi All, > > Pardon me for being a little pesky. > > Please let me know if you can spare a motor or brush. > > Thank you. > > Raghu > > > _________________________________________________________________ NRIs: Send Money FREE! Go ahead and register now! http://ads.mediaturf.net/event.ng/Type=click&FlightID=20273&AdID=65989&TargetID=11172&Targets=11172&Values=202,414,1093,1264,3122&Redirect=http:%2F%2Fwww.icicinri.net%2Fmoney2india%2F%3Fm2i%3DBAC-MSN%26att%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR%26rfr%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Oct 9 13:32:56 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:32:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E The best sounding Nak? References: <3.0.3.32.20061003085454.00826c70@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20061003170013.008327e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00e501c6eb96$b550f000$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Tom B, Kby, Ali, Boogie Man, Alex and Ron THANKS A LOT for you passionate answers to my question. It turned out to be - I think - a very interesting discussion. I can hardly wait till I get the chance to compare the naks I have collected so far (600, 480, 682ZX, LX3, BX300E, RX202E). Best Regards, Per From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Oct 9 14:00:18 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:00:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPM Message-ID: I have a London Decca Cartridge , I beleive it a mono version from the 1950s or 1960s. Stereophile mag says its on of the finest cartridge ever made and the sound unequalled by any cartridge when set up correctly. I havent been able to use mine as it very hard to track and needs lots of weight on the tonearm to play something like 4 to 5 grams! plus I dont know! the correct way to install it as I dont have the instrucion manual! Anyone knows how to set up this baby correctly so it WILL play?! I think the stylus or needle part seem to be okay! but I maybe wrong. The stylus seems to be attached by a thread! YES!! by a thread!:) in middle of what looks like a coil or magnet. Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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D'ya suppose Decca has a web site? tom brucker At 08:00 AM 10/9/06 EDT, you wrote: >>>> I have a London Decca Cartridge , I beleive it a mono version from the 1950s or 1960s. Stereophile mag says its on of the finest cartridge ever made and the sound unequalled by any cartridge when set up correctly. I havent been able to use mine as it very hard to track and needs lots of weight on the tonearm to play something like 4 to 5 grams! plus I dont know! the correct way to install it as I dont have the instrucion manual! Anyone knows how to set up this baby correctly so it WILL play?! I think the stylus or needle part seem to be okay! but I maybe wrong. The stylus seems to be attached by a thread! YES!! by a thread!:) in middle of what looks like a coil or magnet. Thanks! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 9 16:15:38 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 09:15:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] B&O Wow/Fluttermeter WM1A In-Reply-To: <006701c6eb0f$0f5826f0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061009091538.007a9560@earthlink.net> You will need to purchase a wow and flutter (aka speed ) tape from Sony or Teac. This unit might be really neat. B&O discovered that wow had spectral components that could be measured usinf appropriate filters. These may have 4 or 5 wow filters, making this a unique instrument. tom brucker At 09:22 PM 10/8/06 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >Two Bang and Olufsen Wow / Fluttermeter WM1A is for sale at >www.dba.dk Price for the first $115 - and $140 for this one (link) >http://www.dba.dk/asp/soegning/detail.asp?annonceid=46255522 >As I might one day need to check / adjust some of my naks I >wonder if I get one of these beasts. 1) Can wow and flutter be >measured in other setups? 2) Anything to look out for if I buy? > >Best Regards, > >Per > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Oct 9 17:14:53 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:14:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] B&O Wow/Fluttermeter WM1A References: <3.0.3.32.20061009091538.007a9560@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008401c6ebb5$b012d530$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Tom, Thanks for your valuable information about this product. I might give it chance - and it will always look neat in the rack ;-) By the way - one of the sellers also has a B&O RV 11 voltmeter for sale at $100... Bought a Wavetek RMS225A at $80 the other day. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] B&O Wow/Fluttermeter WM1A > You will need to purchase a wow and flutter (aka speed ) tape from Sony or > Teac. This unit might be really neat. B&O discovered that wow had spectral > components that could be measured usinf appropriate filters. These may have > 4 or 5 wow filters, making this a unique instrument. > tom brucker From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Oct 9 19:02:12 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:02:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Message-ID: <26415D07-7102-4D61-A082-186B1255D9A2@alumni.caltech.edu> Gee, I never even knew Decca/London (especially by the time they were the combination) even made cartridges, let alone good ones. I'd guess they didn't make them long after that date. I would guess their current site only has CDs listed, not even records, which I know they do. But they're part of Polygram these days (DG, et. al) which I think might be part of Universal now. If they had any cartridge info, it would be amazing simply because they'd have had to find and scan it from paper; by the time I'm guessing they stopped making cartridges computers didn't exist in the consumer market.-kby From lenaw at flash.net Mon Oct 9 21:25:52 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 12:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Control Motor or Brush. Part #: CA80007A In-Reply-To: <20061009010853.34256.qmail@web51011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061009192552.41505.qmail@web80227.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Raghu: Is this the Control Motor Ass'y? If so, I think I can salvage one for you. Any Nak forumer please confirm this is the one ( CA-80007A as suggested by Ron ). If so, please contact me off-line with your mailing address. Regards, Mike Raghuram Yedatore wrote: Hi All, Pardon me for being a little pesky. Please let me know if you can spare a motor or brush. Thank you. Raghu --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Oct 10 00:59:05 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 15:59:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 loss of high frequencies problem Message-ID: <84D0FF0F-8737-4498-AE67-36CA7342D814@alumni.caltech.edu> I'm not the expert here, but since no one else has been foolish enough to step in... From the symptoms and what they supposedly did (and the hint that they might not have been able to do a good job, it sounds like a bad pinch roller to me.-kby From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 01:43:52 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 loss of high frequencies problem In-Reply-To: <84D0FF0F-8737-4498-AE67-36CA7342D814@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20061009234352.36680.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi let me give my little thought on this. Your 480 Capstan Belt may need replacement. This belt might cost more than 480 ( though ) unless you are lucky to get it cheap. Just repalce it with original nak capstan belt - it should be fine Kannan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I'm not the expert here, but since no one else has been foolish enough to step in... >From the symptoms and what they supposedly did (and the hint that they might not have been able to do a good job, it sounds like a bad pinch roller to me.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Oct 9 17:02:06 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 15:02:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPM Message-ID: Hello Ali, Tell me if your Decca cartridge is "Something like square & black in color ONLY 3 pins to be connected NOT 4 as ALL other cartridges had (Decca use the ground/earth together & only the "Live" was separetly, with 4 digits like FFSS, if it's something like I'm trying to describe with today arm, will be very hard to you fit...you MUST had the "Adaptor"...that Decca at that era provide...if it's the "London"...as you wrote is NOT mono but Stereo much more smaller that the one that I'm thinking...100% sure that after so many decades of NOT been use, inside all is "Rusted"...& today reparation of such type of cartridge will be really very expensive...as Decca NO MORE produce phono cartridges since more of a decade ago. Yes my dear Ali...4 & half decades ago I was a crazy "Audiophile"...only with LP records...so i own & change at least 4 times Decca cartridges. Now I stick on Ortofon's ONLY!. Peace,ALEX! From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:00:18 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPMTo: naktalk at naks.com I have a London Decca Cartridge , I beleive it a mono version from the 1950s or 1960s. Stereophile mag says its on of the finest cartridge ever made and the sound unequalled by any cartridge when set up correctly. I havent been able to use mine as it very hard to track and needs lots of weight on the tonearm to play something like 4 to 5 grams! plus I dont know! the correct way to install it as I dont have the instrucion manual! Anyone knows how to set up this baby correctly so it WILL play?! I think the stylus or needle part seem to be okay! but I maybe wrong. The stylus seems to be attached by a thread! YES!! by a thread!:) in middle of what looks like a coil or magnet. Thanks! Ali _________________________________________________________________ Stay connected with the news, people, places and online services that matter to you on Live.com http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Oct 9 17:12:08 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 15:12:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPM Message-ID: Lovely pat! My Daddy also own such General Electric mono Moving iron with the RED plastic knob to press down & turnover the needles...one for 33/33 & 45 & the other for 78 RPM, if I recall well (I was 9 years old at that time...!), he own a British made Garrard RC-80 changer at that time in South America, Peru; for been exactly where I was born. Two years later he acquired a Garrard 301 table & fitted a WOOD made Pickering arm, in one side & in the other a SME 3012 MK-1 with a Ortofon SPU stereo cartridge. Oh...my lord...I'm speaking of history!!!!. Peace,ALEX! > Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:05:18 -0400> To: naktalk at naks.com> From: appleson at gate.net> Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPM> > Hi all,> > I enjoy reading how you solve the Nak problems. I'm down to four > MR2's. Yes, we still need a good Cassette from time to time.> But you already know that. I've got a unit with a bad LED array, I'm > gonna jump on it tom. Let's see if I can kill it. I don't think > it's the power transformer though.> > Regarding the 78RPM thread:> > I have a complete transfer chain for Phonograph records and > Transcriptions. If you really need the service, I'm quite reasonable.> I run dual Matsushita/Panasonic/Technics Model SP-10 MkII's. These > are the three speed jobs for Broadcast use. I'm the original > owner. We purchased them around 1978 with the original volcanic > glass base. They weight about fifty lbs. without the turntable.> These are direct drive under digtal control (no Z80's) just lots of > IC's. They start in 1/8 turn and spin at EXACTLY 78.26 rpm.> > I've got Gray Research/Micro Trak tone arms on one with various > Stanton carts. On the other, again, I'm the original owner of a > Shure/SME Ltd MODEL SME-3009 SERIES II TRANSCRIPTION ARM with various > Stanton & Ortofon moving coil carts. All of these have various > Stanton "needles" for 78.26 RPM records. For you hard core geeks, > I've even got General Electric VR-II mono variable reluctance magetic > pickups for mono records. Just get out the Paul Revere & the Radiers > and Tony Bennett stuff from Colombia and it's> Back to the Future. > > For my preamp chain I can choose from McIntosh C-20 preamp with all > the goofy roll-offs. AudioMetrics/Radio Systems, Inc.> RIAA phono pre or Pacific Recorders & Engineering Turntable preamps.> > The above gets the job done and onto CD/DVD for safe keeping.> > BTW, most of the TT's mentioned on this list rumble like crazy. The > SP10mk-II does not. The UN Weighted rumble is below 70 db. We didn't > believe it either. It took about 20 seconds to convince us in a > demo. Then we just laid our money down. It was around $3000> for the TT and Base in 1978. The good news is, I've never needed to > buy another one. Kinda like the Nak MR2. I know with a little TLC> that I'll never need to purchase the cheezey Teac's. I'll either > retire or croak first. He's the latest newspaper story about us > http://www.appleson.com/HDR1.htm> > Feel free to drop me an email if you wanna ship some discs for transfer.> > Best Regards> Pat> > > Patrick G. Appleson, Pres.> Pat Appleson Studios, Inc.> 2359 Highway 70, SE> Suite 102> Hickory, NC 28602> 828 465-5500 or> 954 587-7900> www.appleson.com> email: appleson at gate.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Try the new Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Oct 9 21:38:41 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 12:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heads In-Reply-To: <20061009192552.41505.qmail@web80227.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061009193842.24997.qmail@web50011.mail.yahoo.com> Does anybody know if Nakamichi made there own heads? or did they have someone else build them. --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bphipps at ucalgary.ca Tue Oct 10 04:37:33 2006 From: bphipps at ucalgary.ca (Barry Phipps) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:37:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 loss of high frequencies problem In-Reply-To: <84D0FF0F-8737-4498-AE67-36CA7342D814@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <84D0FF0F-8737-4498-AE67-36CA7342D814@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <452B076D.7070206@ucalgary.ca> Thanks, Kimo. Where is the pinch roller located and is it readily replaceable? Any idea where I should look to find a replacement pinch roller? I appreciate your help. Barry Kimo B. Yap wrote: > I'm not the expert here, but since no one else has been foolish enough > to step in... > > From the symptoms and what they supposedly did (and the hint that they > might not have > been able to do a good job, it sounds like a bad pinch roller to me.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From bphipps at ucalgary.ca Tue Oct 10 04:41:52 2006 From: bphipps at ucalgary.ca (Barry Phipps) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:41:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 loss of high frequencies problem In-Reply-To: <20061009234352.36680.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061009234352.36680.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <452B0870.6090807@ucalgary.ca> Hi Kannan, Any idea where I can find a capstan belt? Are they available new or only as parts from salvaged machines? Sorry if this is a silly question. Thanks for your input. Barry kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi > let me give my little thought on this. > Your 480 Capstan Belt may need replacement. This belt might cost more > than 480 ( though ) unless you are lucky to get it cheap. > Just repalce it with original nak capstan belt - it should be fine > Kannan > > */"Kimo B. Yap" /* wrote: > > I'm not the expert here, but since no one else has been foolish > enough to step in... > > From the symptoms and what they supposedly did (and the hint that > they might not have > been able to do a good job, it sounds like a bad pinch roller to > me.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > All-new Yahoo! Mail > - > Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From btorre at ix.netcom.com Tue Oct 10 10:18:01 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:18:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061010041605.02caceb0@ix.netcom.com> At 11:12 AM 10/9/06, you wrote: >My Daddy also own such General Electric mono Moving iron with the >RED plastic knob to press down & turnover the needles...one for >33/33 & 45 & the other for 78 RPM, if I recall well (I was 9 years >old at that time...!) That cartridge was the General Electric VR-II (VR = Variable Reluctance) I still have two of them. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Oct 10 11:29:42 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:29:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPM Message-ID: Hi Ben! Yes exactly, first my daddy own the Mk-1, first after change to VR-ll. I think that may be somewhere with all my junk stuff! Near 55 years ago...when that happens! Be well, & peace,ALEX! > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:18:01 -0400> To: naktalk at naks.com> From: btorre at ix.netcom.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPM> > At 11:12 AM 10/9/06, you wrote:> >My Daddy also own such General Electric mono Moving iron with the > >RED plastic knob to press down & turnover the needles...one for > >33/33 & 45 & the other for 78 RPM, if I recall well (I was 9 years > >old at that time...!)> > That cartridge was the General Electric VR-II (VR = Variable Reluctance)> > I still have two of them. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Try the new Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think they went as far as the MkVI.. yours is probably an Mk1. Also, if you have the ffss, do you have the special 1/2" mount adaptor..?? as with out this you ain't goin' anywhere.. unless you have the dedicated ffss arm as well. They are a three wire system.. L&R and common ground, and you need an arm with reasonable mass to get the best out of them. Unfortunately I have recently sold my ffs arm/cartridge combination, so I no longer have that wiring diagram.. but am sure I have some info somewhere if I can recall where it is, and will forward to you if I can find it. What is the colour coding on the head?.. this will tell you if it is a mono, stereo, or 78 head. White script indicates the stereo version IIRC, green the 78, and red mono.. but I need my info to be sure That wire you refer to is the stylus 'tie wire', most necessary as the Decca effectively has a vertical cantilever.. so the wire stops it being ripped out.. As to sound... they are very inconsistent.. amazing brilliant, or spitty and biting... such was the quality control. If you have a good one.. then yes, to me they are the most dynamic cartridge in the world. The absolute ultimate was the Garrott Bros modified Decca London Gold.....now rare as the proverbial rocking horse deposits. Fortunately for us mere mortals, the Grado's come very, very. close to the sound of a good Decca, especially if used with little bit of arm damping. I'll be interested in your impression once you get it in use! cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 13:17:33 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heads yes nak built their own tape heads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061010111733.5263.qmail@web50015.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Boeing for replying. well if they made there own heads did they put there heads in the third party decks such as the Kyocera and Onkyo? I was just curious . --- BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > DEAR FRIEND THEY BUILT THEIR OWN TAPE HEADS AS THE > NAK FOLKS HAD GREAT HEAD > OR BRAIN THEMSELVES! TO BEGIN WITH LOL!! :) > OTHERWISE WE WOULDNT BE HAVING > THESE GREAT MACHINES!! HOPE THIS HELPS!! ALI > > > ATLEAST THAT MY TAKE! I MAYBE WRONG!!:) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From r1seals at yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 13:57:41 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Pinch roller for BX-300 In-Reply-To: <20061010111733.5263.qmail@web50015.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061010115741.46060.qmail@web50006.mail.yahoo.com> Bala Dean tells me that you have pinch rollers. if so I need one for my BX-300 would you please get back with me. Russ --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 11 00:12:49 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:12:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 loss of high frequencies problem Message-ID: <2096D095-289C-4ECF-9FE6-2799E82454CE@alumni.caltech.edu> I assume you mean where it is located on the deck. It is the rubber roller below the capstan (the pointy thin thing that rotates at the bottom of the cassette. If you put the deck in "play" without a tape loaded you'll see the heads and pinch rollers move upward and the pinch rollers squeeze the tape between themselves and the capstans. There are two capstans and two pinch rollers; your issue (if it is a pinch roller) I would guess is the front one, but I'm not that good at diagnosing it.) sells a replacement, but the jury still seems mixed on its results (at least that's my reading of it). Bowers & Wilkins in the UK or ESL in the US are the most likely places to have it, but they generally don't sell as they need the parts for their in-house work. Someone else more knowledgable may correct me on this and I would probably listen to them first.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 11 00:12:49 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:12:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 loss of high frequencies problem Message-ID: <2096D095-289C-4ECF-9FE6-2799E82454CE@alumni.caltech.edu> I assume you mean where it is located on the deck. It is the rubber roller below the capstan (the pointy thin thing that rotates at the bottom of the cassette. If you put the deck in "play" without a tape loaded you'll see the heads and pinch rollers move upward and the pinch rollers squeeze the tape between themselves and the capstans. There are two capstans and two pinch rollers; your issue (if it is a pinch roller) I would guess is the front one, but I'm not that good at diagnosing it.) sells a replacement, but the jury still seems mixed on its results (at least that's my reading of it). Bowers & Wilkins in the UK or ESL in the US are the most likely places to have it, but they generally don't sell as they need the parts for their in-house work. Someone else more knowledgable may correct me on this and I would probably listen to them first.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 11 00:19:43 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:19:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu Message-ID: <5C69A1A7-C006-4C6D-AD88-0D32A5CC1F86@alumni.caltech.edu> The only semi-real differences (and they are not significant) that I can think of: 1. The screws that hold the front panel in the case are different (not just in color), so diagrams that show them might be different. 2. There are differences between different revs of even the same manual; I don't know which one(s) the ZXL Limited manual matches 3. The front plate drawing might look a little different in a head-on- view: although the drawing is a b/w line drawing so color isn't a difference, there's a plaque on the front upper right (as you fast the deck) that says "1000zxl Limited" or something like that in a fancy script. Also, the cosmetic plate below the cassette well says 'Auto Azimuth Alignment" in a scripty font on a non-LTD deck; on the LTD deck it's either blank or engraved with the name of some [possibly previous] owner. -kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 11 00:22:14 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:22:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu Message-ID: <2FA607CF-8A25-465B-BCC2-93DFED5A4858@alumni.caltech.edu> Oh, and the Nak part numbers for a fair number of things a probably different (heads, cosmetic and frame parts, plus all the connectors). Values for the electonic components should be the same.-kby From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Oct 11 00:48:14 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:48:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Message-ID: Hi Alex and Martin, Many Thanks for details on this superb! cartridge! I tried to send 3 pictures of my cartridge but for some reason naktalk rejected!! the email with the pics , maybe we can only send text messages no pic attachements! wish we could send pics too! that would be great! Anyway! I pulled out the my Decca London Cartridge its all black body with 4 pins at the back. In the front of the body its says ffss and C4E and british pat pending. I dont know what the C4E stands for maybe you guys might be knowing. Since it has four leads it must be a stereo cartridge from the 1960s. Alex it not rusted! the cantilever moves very smoothly and I did hear music when I breiftly installed it in my hi-end Pioneer PL 1000A linear tracking turntable with exotic! electromagnetic propulsion! and minature real! steel ball bearing i..e tonearm moves just like those trains that runs on magnetic energy on rails in Europe , pretty cool eh?! Unfortuantely the weight of the tonearm was not enough to play this cartridge I was able to mount it on the headshell but tracking was horrible! Is is possible to get the arm and the adapter for this cartridge?! I am thinking of using it with my Technics SP 10 Mk2 direct drive turntable considered one of the finest direct drive turntable made, this combination should sound great! What do you guys think?! Let me know! Thanks! Ali Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Wed Oct 11 04:49:16 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:49:16 +1300 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Message-ID: <014301c6ecdf$d7e9e550$204a98de@tec> Hey There is a bit of history. Tape a coin onto your headshell. Sounds crude but it will work. The Decca is a stereo cartridge. The "E" means elliptical. Of course the thing will probably wear records at an alarming rate needing 5 grams or whatever tracking weight. Have fun. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Hi Alex and Martin, Many Thanks for details on this superb! cartridge! I tried to send 3 pictures of my cartridge but for some reason naktalk rejected!! the email with the pics , maybe we can only send text messages no pic attachements! wish we could send pics too! that would be great! Anyway! I pulled out the my Decca London Cartridge its all black body with 4 pins at the back. In the front of the body its says ffss and C4E and british pat pending. I dont know what the C4E stands for maybe you guys might be knowing. Since it has four leads it must be a stereo cartridge from the 1960s. Alex it not rusted! the cantilever moves very smoothly and I did hear music when I breiftly installed it in my hi-end Pioneer PL 1000A linear tracking turntable with exotic! electromagnetic propulsion! and minature real! steel ball bearing i..e tonearm moves just like those trains that runs on magnetic energy on rails in Europe , pretty cool eh?! Unfortuantely the weight of the tonearm was not enough to play this cartridge I was able to mount it on the headshell but tracking was horrible! Is is possible to get the arm and the adapter for this cartridge?! I am thinking of using it with my Technics SP 10 Mk2 direct drive turntable considered one of the finest direct drive turntable made, this combination should sound great! What do you guys think?! Let me know! Thanks! Ali Ali ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/471 - Release Date: 10/10/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Oct 11 06:54:13 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:54:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Message-ID: Hi Ali, I'm a little bit confused...so if you can provide me with a series of very high detailed & sharp photos...here is my Email address so all your photos will be received directly by me you can provide me till 10 mb...., so send me large photos can be in several E-mails. After that i will saw your photos i will reply you more specific. Alex.cozac at gmail.com ThanksALEX! From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:48:14 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setupTo: naktalk at naks.com Hi Alex and Martin, Many Thanks for details on this superb! cartridge! I tried to send 3 pictures of my cartridge but for some reason naktalk rejected!! the email with the pics , maybe we can only send text messages no pic attachements! wish we could send pics too! that would be great! Anyway! I pulled out the my Decca London Cartridge its all black body with 4 pins at the back. In the front of the body its says ffss and C4E and british pat pending. I dont know what the C4E stands for maybe you guys might be knowing. Since it has four leads it must be a stereo cartridge from the 1960s. Alex it not rusted! the cantilever moves very smoothly and I did hear music when I breiftly installed it in my hi-end Pioneer PL 1000A linear tracking turntable with exotic! electromagnetic propulsion! and minature real! steel ball bearing i..e tonearm moves just like those trains that runs on magnetic energy on rails in Europe , pretty cool eh?! Unfortuantely the weight of the tonearm was not enough to play this cartridge I was able to mount it on the headshell but tracking was horrible! Is is possible to get the arm and the adapter for this cartridge?! I am thinking of using it with my Technics SP 10 Mk2 direct drive turntable considered one of the finest direct drive turntable made, this combination should sound great! What do you guys think?! Let me know! Thanks! Ali Ali _________________________________________________________________ Try the new Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Oct 11 08:08:21 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:08:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl playback 0 offset voltage at pin 1 and 7 ic 301, Bala help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <452C8A55.2000102@peromarta.org> Replace caps. BOEING747600 at aol.com escribió: > Hi Bala, Still waiting to hear from you! Pin 1 and 7 of ic have dc > voltages present . Pin 1 has 9.9 vdc and pin7 1.74vdc, i turned both > the Vr 101 and VR 201 to get 0 offset dc volts but turning these > controls had little or no effect on the voltage reading mentioned above. > What shall be our next step?! Your help as usual to get this beauty to > work again is muchappreciated! > > Ali > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Wed Oct 11 08:14:39 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:14:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 sale Message-ID: Ebay Australia has a CR7 listed with a starting price of AU$1400. How realistic is this? The description says: This is the Nakamichi CR7 Cassette Deck. The CR7 is recognised as the worlds best cassette deck by hi fi critics and magazines. The unit comes with a remote control. The owners manual and original packaging also comes with the unit. This machine has also been serviced last year by Len Wallis Audio and it was found to be in an excellent condition. As a bonus, I will include a head demagnitiser and approximately 20 tapes (mostly TDK metal tapes) that have only been recorded this machine. These tapes have only once been recorded and they are in a fairly new condition. If you have any other questions, please feel free to email me, or call me on 040 311 3247. I am selling other audio equipment on ebay and enquiries are welcome! Good luck with bidding! David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Oct 11 08:24:01 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:24:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <452C8E01.60708@peromarta.org> That's about 800EUR or 1000$ aprox, which is a bit too expensie for me. If the unit was in mint or near mint condition, and the description is accurate, might be fine. YMMV. David Thompson escribió: > Ebay Australia has a CR7 listed with a starting price of AU$1400. How > realistic is this? The description says: > > This is the Nakamichi CR7 Cassette Deck. The CR7 is recognised as the > worlds best cassette deck by hi fi critics and magazines. The unit comes > with a remote control. The owners manual and original packaging also > comes with the unit. This machine has also been serviced last year by > Len Wallis Audio and it was found to be in an excellent condition. As a > bonus, I will include a head demagnitiser and approximately 20 tapes > (mostly TDK metal tapes) that have only been recorded this machine. > These tapes have only once been recorded and they are in a fairly new > condition. If you have any other questions, please feel free to email > me, or call me on 040 311 3247. I am selling other audio equipment on > ebay and enquiries are welcome! Good luck with bidding! > > David > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bernardsda at hotmail.com Wed Oct 11 08:26:29 2006 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:26:29 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZXL/ZXL Limited manual advice In-Reply-To: <2FA607CF-8A25-465B-BCC2-93DFED5A4858@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardsda at hotmail.com Wed Oct 11 08:36:47 2006 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:36:47 +1300 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: <002201c6ec54$9ed4ec00$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Wed Oct 11 08:47:38 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:47:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 sale References: <452C8E01.60708@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <049c01c6ed01$24eefc70$9e274446@a72400shuttle> How about this Dragon for $1800 US!!!! http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&item=300036895162&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 I've been watching the last 6 weeks or so, there have been 8 Dragons sold in working condition, with prices ranging from US $460.00 - $1051.10. I think this guy is dreaming. From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Wed Oct 11 09:21:09 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:21:09 +1300 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Message-ID: <002201c6ed05$d374bba0$0201a8c0@lan> Ali, I think the C4E designation was used on the Decca London MkIV ( very nice.. you are lucky!!), and if you have 4 pins, then it is most likely mounted in the SME 1/2" adaptor. The third and fourth pins are the 'lateral' and "common/grounds" connections and are linked in any case... I think the fourth pin was included so as not to confuse users of more conventional cartridges!! Also I think the tracking weight on the C4E should be in the range of 2-3 grams, not 4-5 grams. The later London's and Garrott versons tracked at a more reasonable 1.5 grams. One trick was to place blob of Blu-Tack on top of the cartridge where it projected out of the head shell, to dampen case vibratiopn The first thing I would do is get it out of that PL1000 and mount it in a real arm on your SP10. For what it is worth, I mounted the borrowed Garrott London in my SP25/Grace 727 combo and it was quite magical and got me hooked on Decca's. I made a few LP recordings via my BX300 which I treasure to this day, before I had to 'hand it back'. I now run a Grado Prestige Gold, which is not a bad substitute for a Decca!. Check out www.vinylengine.com for information. Enjoy!!, cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Oct 11 10:24:55 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:24:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Message-ID: Hi Bernard, It's if I recall well from 4 decades earlier...when i was a "Mad" audiophile & a little bit less "OLD"...(Joking!), your Grace arm is made from wood? Yes the Grado cartridges in some combinations deliver "HUM" problems. Today I received as a gift a "SILVER" Grado cartridge...as I love MC's Ortofons..seems me that NEVER i will use it! Are those NOT handmade in a wood case! Peace,ALEX! From: bernardsda at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setupDate: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:36:47 +1300 What do you mean by dampening the arm, Martin? I have a Grado (only a Prestige Gold, mind you) playing through a Linn Sondek (basic 1980 model) on a Grace 707 arm. Can't get rid of the flaming HUM from the Grado! Apologies to everyone for being slightly off the topic: I'll try and give it some validity by saying my Nak picks up the hum very well when recording from the Grado!! Bernard From: "Martin Short" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Subject: Re: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setupDate: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:12:40 +1300 Ali, ?lt;/div> Firstly, there are several incarnations of Decca, and by the 'sound' of it, you have an early ffss. Later versions managed to reduce the tracking force down to a more reasonable 2-3 grams. I think they went as far as the MkVI.. yours is probably an Mk1. Also, if you have the ffss, do you have the special 1/2" mount adaptor..?? as with out this you ain't goin' anywhere.. unless you have the dedicated ffss arm as well. They are a three wire system.. L&R and common ground, and you need an arm with reasonable mass to get the best out of them. Unfortunately I have recently sold my ffs arm/cartridge combination, so I no longer have that wiring diagram.. but am sure I have some info somewhere if I can recall where it is, and will forward to you if I can find it. ?lt;/div> What is the colour coding on the head?.. this will tell you if it is a mono, stereo, or 78 head. White script indicates the stereo version IIRC, green the 78, and red mono.. but I need my info to be sure ?lt;/div> That wire you refer to is the stylus 'tie wire', most necessary as the Decca effectively has a vertical cantilever.. so?the wire stops it being ripped out..? ?lt;/div> As to sound... they are very inconsistent.. amazing brilliant, or spitty and biting... such was the quality control. If you have a good one.. then yes, to me they are the most dynamic cartridge in the world. The absolute ultimate was the Garrott Bros modified Decca London Gold.....now rare as the proverbial rocking horse deposits. Fortunately for us mere mortals, the Grado's come very, very. close to the sound of a good Decca, especially if used with little bit of arm damping. ?lt;/div> I'll be interested in your impression once you get it in use! ?lt;/div> cheers, ?lt;/div> Martin >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk>========---------------------------------------------------------========= Discover fun and games at XtraMSN Kids! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Oct 11 11:11:01 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:11:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL capstan belt Message-ID: <452CB525.7020703@peromarta.org> Can anyone source one of these ? Thanks, and best rgds, LP. From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Oct 11 13:30:02 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:30:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Message-ID: Martin, I have Linn Basik arm that I brought from England a couple of years ago to use with my Technics Sp 10MK2A turntable with outboard power supply . I plan to make a high quality base for it made out of marble or granite I dont know if these would be good choice as I heard the resonance might not be good with this choice of materials but it would sure look nice:) . The linn arm was brought based on high reputation of its turntables like the Sondeck LP 12. What is your take on this matter will this combination together with decca FFSS C4E will sound nice?! Many Thanks for your very kind! and detailed insight into this legendary cartridge. Is it stereo, cartridge or mono?! looking from the back of the cartridge which pins are the ground ones?! I have sent you the pics. With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gpatoul at hotmail.com Wed Oct 11 16:07:04 2006 From: gpatoul at hotmail.com (George Patoulidis) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:07:04 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon repair problems References: Message-ID: Anyone?..... ----- Original Message ----- From: george patoulidis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon repair problems Hello Nak buffs I'm trying to repair a Dragon deck for a friend. With the help of the service manual I managed to repair some minor problems but here is what I'm facing now: The deck plays (in reverse mode only) and rewinds fine, but when I press the ff button it only fast forwards for one second and then stops. Same situation with the play button, it just plays (in forward) the tape for a second and then stops. Any ideas where to look now? Thanks in advance George Patoulidis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrewspencer at eircom.net Wed Oct 11 16:15:03 2006 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:15:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi for my Collection! Message-ID: <000801c6ed3f$af039d10$0d2aa8c0@Manepa.local> After waiting 10 weeks for my latest Nakamichi ebay purchase to arrive (I will not opt for surface shipping from the United States again) I am now the proud owner of a RX202, which joins my collection of a CR7, CR5 andf CR2E. The Deck is in fantastic condition (9/10) and was manufactured in 1983. All functions work and it plays beautifully. Both erase and record heads appear to be in great condition, the only thing I need to do is clean the pinch roller which is a little dirty. The deck cost me $75 plus $40 shipping which I consider a real bargain! Obviously the auto reverse function on the RX202 is a real feature to impress friends with, but how does the deck compare to other Nakamichi Decks newer and older in terms of performance? Regards. Andy Dublin Ireland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 11 15:59:46 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:59:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061011085946.007d12a0@earthlink.net> I have never known stone to ring or resonate. The difficult thing will be measuring the arm pivot location. Make a mockup and mount the arm, just to be sure that you've got everything covered. I once cut an arm board that made the counterweight hit the dustcover! With stone there is no going back!. tom brucker At 07:30 AM 10/11/06 EDT, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: >>>> Martin, I have Linn Basik arm that I brought from England a couple of years ago to use with my Technics Sp 10MK2A turntable with outboard power supply . I plan to make a high quality base for it made out of marble or granite I dont know if these would be good choice as I heard the resonance might not be good with this choice of materials but it would sure look nice:) . The linn arm was brought based on high reputation of its turntables like the Sondeck LP 12. What is your take on this matter will this combination together with decca FFSS C4E will sound nice?! Many Thanks for your very kind! and detailed insight into this legendary cartridge. Is it stereo, cartridge or mono?! looking from the back of the cartridge which pins are the ground ones?! I have sent you the pics. With Best Regards! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 11 16:36:56 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:36:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon repair problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061011093656.0082ae50@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2242 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 11 16:39:05 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:39:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi for my Collection! In-Reply-To: <000801c6ed3f$af039d10$0d2aa8c0@Manepa.local> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061011093905.00831750@earthlink.net> Andy, This was always a store favorite. It always reminds me of those mechanical coin banks when it flips. The deck is a BX100 for all intents and purposes. tom brucker At 03:15 PM 10/11/06 +0100, you wrote: >>>> After waiting 10 weeks for my latest Nakamichi ebay purchase to arrive (I will not opt for surface shipping from the United States again) I am now the proud owner of a RX202, which joins my collection of a CR7, CR5 andf CR2E. The Deck is in fantastic condition (9/10) and was manufactured in 1983. All functions work and it plays beautifully. Both erase and record heads appear to be in great condition, the only thing I need to do is clean the pinch roller which is a little dirty. The deck cost me $75 plus $40 shipping which I consider a real bargain! Obviously the auto reverse function on the RX202 is a real feature to impress friends with, but how does the deck compare to other Nakamichi Decks newer and older in terms of performance? Regards. Andy Dublin Ireland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bphipps at ucalgary.ca Wed Oct 11 17:01:37 2006 From: bphipps at ucalgary.ca (Barry) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:01:37 -0600 Subject: {Fraud?} Re: [naktalk] Nak 480 loss of high frequencies problem In-Reply-To: <101120060103.18486.452C42C6000AAA12000048362207000953C89F0A07030E06@comcast.net> References: <101120060103.18486.452C42C6000AAA12000048362207000953C89F0A07030E06@comcast.net> Message-ID: <452D0751.4030507@ucalgary.ca> Hi Mike, Thanks for taking the time to reply. From what you and Kimo have been saying, it seems likely that it was the pinch rollers that the shop cleaned, and it did help. I remember the tech saying that replacement of the rollers would be the next step. Can you or anyone else add to Kimo's suggestions as to where I can find replacement pinch rollers? Also, where could I find info on how to install the new rollers? BTW the reason I haven't gone back to the shop for followup is that they sold the business, the guy that worked on my deck is gone and the new owners do not work on Nakamichi decks. If anyone knows of Nak specialists in Calgary, Alberta please let me know. They seem to be a rare breed! I agree completely, I have not been using the deck enough and I have heard that this can be a problem. I am trying to correct this situation but first I have to get my high frequencies back! Cheers, Barry jamiep8 at comcast.net wrote: > I also own a Nak 480, and I suspect your trouble may be a pinch > roller. Initially, when you insert a cassette and press play, the > pinch roller may not entirely align the tape properly, and you get a > momentary loss of high frequencies. Eventually, it "catches up with > itself," but it will ruin the start of a recording. A good pinch > roller cleaner should help. Avoid alcohol-based cleaners, as these > will dry out the roller, and make matters worse. Once cleaned, you > will experience better results. But, I truly believe that your main > "problem" is that you do not use the deck enough, and cassette decks > do not like to sit idle. Do yourself a favor and USE the deck. I also > own 3 Aiwas and 1 Akai, all newer than the Nak, and none of them come > close to the sound I get from the 480. The 480, argueably, might have > the best cassette mechanism ever put together; probably the reason why > mine sounds so good. My best advice, though, is to leave the 480 > powered on for 2 days befor e recording-the results will amaze you! > Also, buy Chord Co. interconnects, and no one will ever beat the sound > of any recording you make! Good luck, Mike > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Barry Phipps > I have a Nakamichi 480 that I bought new in 1982 and used with > great pleasure for 5 or 6 years to record and play back vinyl. > Since then I havent used the deck much, just firing it up on > occasion to play some of those early tapes. It still works great > and delivers wonderful sound except for one very annoying problem. > Near the beginning of 90 min tapes, there is an occasional sudden > loss of high frequencies during playback. If I stop and restart > the tape, the sound is normal again until the next time it > happens. The problem only seems to occur near the beginning of the > tape, and only with some 90 min tapes and never with 60s. > Sometimes the effect is subtle, other times painfully obvious. > Another minor issue that may be related is that sometimes a 90 min > tape will start and then immediately stop when playing from the > beginning of the tape. If I wind the tape forward by hand a turn > or two, the problem goes away. All of this suggested some kind of > issue related to high to rque a nd maybe slippage(?). I took the > deck to a shop where they performed a thorough cleaning and > adjustment and found a build up of glazing or deposit on some kind > of roller (sorry, I dont remember the exact term) which they did > their best to remove. This resulted in significant improvement but > the problem persists, just less frequent. Can anyone give me an > idea what is going on here and what might be involved in fixing > the problem? I might have the skills to do the repairs myself if > they are not too involved otherwise I guess I will have to > determine if it is worth investing in a professional repair job or > if I should accept that I am better off selling the deck to > someone who has the savvy to fix it. BTW I have been following the > Naktalk list for 2 months now and have been very impressed with > the knowledge of the participants; I know I am out of my depth > here but am hoping one or more of you can give me some helpful > advice! Thanks in advance. > > Barry > bphipps at ucalgary.ca > > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Oct 11 18:22:41 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:22:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi for my Collection! In-Reply-To: <000801c6ed3f$af039d10$0d2aa8c0@Manepa.local> References: <000801c6ed3f$af039d10$0d2aa8c0@Manepa.local> Message-ID: <6bddc1110610110922w3340e6d7x3a290a59c3502a14@mail.gmail.com> I love my RX-202. With the exception of the extremely fun UDAR function, the deck is almost identical to my BX-125 in function and options (the RX has a digital counter and record mute). They both use the RP-2D - 1.2micron gap record/playback head and the E-2D erase head, and both sound phenomenal in every way. Obviously there is no comparison to the Nak discrete head decks with the older crystalloy core heads, but they are still better than any other manufacturer's top of the line tape deck, and I have to admit I turn into Bart Simpson hitting the reverse function over and over for no reason when company comes over. It's just fun :-) -Tim On 10/11/06, Andy wrote: > > After waiting 10 weeks for my latest Nakamichi ebay purchase to arrive (I > will not opt for surface shipping from the United States again) I am now the > proud owner of a RX202, which joins my collection of a CR7, CR5 andf CR2E. > > The Deck is in fantastic condition (9/10) and was manufactured in 1983. > All functions work and it plays beautifully. Both erase and record heads > appear to be in great condition, the only thing I need to do is clean the > pinch roller which is a little dirty. > > The deck cost me $75 plus $40 shipping which I consider a real bargain! > > Obviously the auto reverse function on the RX202 is a real feature to > impress friends with, but how does the deck compare to other Nakamichi Decks > newer and older in terms of performance? > > Regards. > > Andy > Dublin > Ireland > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Oct 11 19:09:35 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:09:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi for my Collection! Message-ID: HI Andy, The auto reverse mechanism is same as that on the higher model RX 505! The RX 202 is a BEAUTIFUL!! Machine I have owned both the RX 505 and RX 202 and I can tell you the RX 202 yield NOTHING! to the RX 505! in sonic sense! And beleive me its 2 heads machine are capable of producing and recording some of the finest music you will hear . The third head i in those 3 heads machines is just for monitoring the signal in record mode and does not itself record. I have made recording on the RX 202 and let me tell you THEY ARE SIMPLY FANTASTIC! (THIS DEPEND ON THE CONDIION OF THE MACHINE AND ITS HEADS) In fact I like the RX 202 better than the RX 505 its appears front panel is very clean and uncluttered . HAVE FUN WITH THE RX 202!:) ALI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Wed Oct 11 20:58:06 2006 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:58:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Half speed Mod ? Message-ID: <200610111858.k9BIwF8l025423@zxe.naks.com> Hi all Nak techs, An acquaintance of mine has recorded a lot of live tapes on half speed and a demised 680 ZX. The resurrection of the 680 ZX will be my next project. To provide him with a short term and permanent solution I am thinking about giving him a modded 480 on half speed. I have sampled a number of those basic but beautiful machines so I can guarantee him future replacements for quite some time, if needed. The main transport is the same as in the 680 so running on half speed should give comparable results. The play/ record head of the 480 should give nice response on playback, I reckon. Recording is a different issue, but not needed here. I have looked at the schematics of the 680 and find several hints at the magical half speed circuitry. The most direct hint is the switch leading the motor power through two different paths. The normal speed path goes via the speed adjustment VR407, the half speed path via VR408 and an additional resistor in series. Is this series resistor the main difference? This would make for an easy mod! But I would expect an change in a phase locked loop circuit , a bit more complex then this series resistor . I did notice a different chance being a switch in the bias circuitry, probably changing the bias frequency for recording in half speed. As said earlier, this is not an issue here. What do I need to change? I cannot even find the value of this series resistor. I am not an electronics engineer, so reading service manuals is posing many questions. Would be very glad to get your advise. Keeps the Naks alive Henk Schenk Rotterdam, Netherlands http://nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Wed Oct 11 21:20:40 2006 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:20:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <200610111920.k9BJKnFP025713@zxe.naks.com> Andy, The RX202 is a public stunner. In qualitative sence it is directly comparable with your CR2e. Thus, below your CR7 (very good!) and also below the CR5. The older machines are different and the comparable value is a matter of taste. My taste soundwise: Extremely GOOD: TT100, TT700, 1000ZXL Very GOOD - 680ZX series, CR7 GOOD: - ZX-9, ZX-7, Dragon, AS GOOD , but flawed technically in one or two measurable areas, - 600, 480 series, LX 5, RX505 Above average: - CR5, DR1 , 550 (!), LX3 Average: - CR2, RX202 Below average: - don't know (rare model!) Just from hands on experience, my 0.02$. Anyone; feel free to disagree. Happy listening and keep the Naks alive. Henk Schenk Rotterdam, Netherlands http://nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl At 03:15 PM 10/11/06 +0100, you wrote: >>>> After waiting 10 weeks for my latest Nakamichi ebay purchase to arrive (I will not opt for surface shipping from the United States again) I am now the proud owner of a RX202, which joins my collection of a CR7, CR5 andf CR2E. The Deck is in fantastic condition (9/10) and was manufactured in 1983. All functions work and it plays beautifully. Both erase and record heads appear to be in great condition, the only thing I need to do is clean the pinch roller which is a little dirty. The deck cost me $75 plus $40 shipping which I consider a real bargain! Obviously the auto reverse function on the RX202 is a real feature to impress friends with, but how does the deck compare to other Nakamichi Decks newer and older in terms of performance? Regards. Andy Dublin Ireland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Oct 11 21:32:54 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:32:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200610111920.k9BJKnFP025713@zxe.naks.com> References: <200610111920.k9BJKnFP025713@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110610111232n35c11324q685f3bbf3bd1fcae@mail.gmail.com> > > In qualitative sence it is directly comparable with your CR2e. Thus, below > your CR7 (very good!) and also below the CR5. > I haven't given a serious listen to many of the Naks on your scale, but I'm not sure I'd say the 202 is qualitatively that similar with the CR-2. I have a CR-1 (which is a CR-2 without the remote and bias fine tune) and the sound from it is noticably less full and detailed compared to my entry- and mid-level BX and RX decks. There is the chance that this is due to the CR-1 bias being untuned or the age of its heads, so who knows. I would also put the venerable 582Z up there in the "Good" level, and promote the Dragons and ZXes a level. Just me $.02 -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Wed Oct 11 21:47:46 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:47:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200610111920.k9BJKnFP025713@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Whats "flawed" about the RX-505? _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ScHenk Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 3:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) AS GOOD , but flawed technically in one or two measurable areas, - 600, 480 series, LX 5, RX505 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Oct 11 22:40:12 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Half speed Mod ? In-Reply-To: <200610111858.k9BIwF8l025423@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20061011204012.79775.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Hi: Is half of 1 7/8 better than double of 1 7/8 ? I thought higher speed should provide better sonic performance than slower speed ( at least that is what happen to Reel-to-Reel ). From the spec. of the 680ZX, running at normal speed has a better frequency response than half of the normal speed. Correct me if the above is wrong. Thanks. Mike ScHenk wrote: st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Hi all Nak techs, An acquaintance of mine has recorded a lot of live tapes on half speed and a demised 680 ZX. The resurrection of the 680 ZX will be my next project. To provide him with a short term and permanent solution I am thinking about giving him a modded 480 on half speed. I have sampled a number of those basic but beautiful machines so I can guarantee him future replacements for quite some time, if needed. The main transport is the same as in the 680 so running on half speed should give comparable results. The play/ record head of the 480 should give nice response on playback, I reckon. Recording is a different issue, but not needed here. I have looked at the schematics of the 680 and find several hints at the magical half speed circuitry. The most direct hint is the switch leading the motor power through two different paths. The normal speed path goes via the speed adjustment VR407, the half speed path via VR408 and an additional resistor in series. Is this series resistor the main difference? This would make for an easy mod! But I would expect an change in a phase locked loop circuit , a bit more complex then this series resistor I did notice a different chance being a switch in the bias circuitry, probably changing the bias frequency for recording in half speed. As said earlier, this is not an issue here. What do I need to change? I cannot even find the value of this series resistor. I am not an electronics engineer, so reading service manuals is posing many questions. Would be very glad to get your advise. Keeps the Naks alive Henk Schenk Rotterdam, Netherlands http://nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 11 23:50:59 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:50:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Half speed Mod ? Message-ID: > I thought higher speed should provide better sonic performance than > slower speed Same's true for cassette; look at the published specs for the 680zx (half-speed only is spec'd to 17kHz for metal tape). I assume this was a question of length— I would not normally record live concerts on cassette simply for that reason; a 10.5" reel running even at 7.5 ips (for us consumer types) on a 6-head auto-reverse deck is about 3 hours with only one break ("intermission"). What half-speed is good for (to me) is recording, say the performance of Tristan that was on the other night on FM; FM only goes to 15kHz anyway due to the way it's spec'd out. Also, this was a 1950 recording so its sonic quality wasn't all that great to begin with; it was just a good [historical] performance. And each Act is about an hour and a half.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Thu Oct 12 00:22:27 2006 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:22:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] my 0.02$. Anyone; feel free to disagree. Message-ID: <200610112222.k9BMMVV7029394@zxe.naks.com> DM2, The RX505 is a very good machine. I really like working with them. What has captured my attention is the loud noises of the transport. I've owned two of them and the noises were identical. Also, and more important, the flutter seems to be higher then super nak decks. So this has raised a question on this particular model. I wonder about the validity of upside down mounting of the transport. But I rely on two samples only, against 20 odd different classical Nak transports I own and love. Share your experience with me, please. From: "DM2" Subject: RE: [naktalk] (no subject) To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Whats "flawed" about the RX-505? ----------------------------------- Mike, half of 1 7/8 is not better than anything. BUT, my acquaintance has recordings on this speed and thus will want replay at this speed. That's it. Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl Subject: Re: [naktalk] Half speed Mod ? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20061011204012.79775.qmail at web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi: Is half of 1 7/8 better than double of 1 7/8 ? I thought higher speed should provide better sonic performance than slower speed ( at least that is what happen to Reel-to-Reel ). From the spec. of the 680ZX, running at normal speed has a better frequency response than half of the normal speed. Correct me if the above is wrong. Thanks. Mike ----------------------------------- Tim, I've sampled about 5 RX202 decks and just one CR2. To me they are quite similar. But from the 5 samples 3 of the RX202 were modified to partake into tape copying systems. After undoing the mods some doubts prevail. The left channels are demoted in dynamics and also the meters will show low levels in the left channels. This might intervene in my opinion. I do align replay heads alike to be able to interchange tapes. This is all important. About the 580 series I do concur. My first Nak was a 581 (akin 582) and has aroused the love and devotion to the brand. I am not impartial to this these models. I would certainly rate those into the good or very good level, but I am not objective to those models. About raising the Dragons and ZX's a level: Those are very good technical tour the forces. Although they sound a bit technical (read cold) to me. They sound like a overload of opamps or IC's. Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl From: "Tim Skorick" Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <6bddc1110610111232n35c11324q685f3bbf3bd1fcae at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > In qualitative sence it is directly comparable with your CR2e. Thus, > below your CR7 (very good!) and also below the CR5. > I haven't given a serious listen to many of the Naks on your scale, but I'm not sure I'd say the 202 is qualitatively that similar with the CR-2. I have a CR-1 (which is a CR-2 without the remote and bias fine tune) and the sound from it is noticably less full and detailed compared to my entry- and mid-level BX and RX decks. There is the chance that this is due to the CR-1 bias being untuned or the age of its heads, so who knows. I would also put the venerable 582Z up there in the "Good" level, and promote the Dragons and ZXes a level. Just me $.02 -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 12 00:19:07 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:19:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Half speed Mod ? In-Reply-To: <200610111858.k9BIwF8l025423@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061011171907.0082c100@earthlink.net> In my opinion, repairing the 680 is much simpler than what you propose. Half speed demands dual capstans and 3 heads, at the very least. Why not list the 680's problems with the same clarity in your post? tom brucker At 08:58 PM 10/11/06 +0200, you wrote: >>>> Hi all Nak techs, An acquaintance of mine has recorded a lot of live tapes on half speed and a demised 680 ZX. The resurrection of the 680 ZX will be my next project. To provide him with a short term and permanent solution I am thinking about giving him a modded 480 on half speed. I have sampled a number of those basic but beautiful machines so I can guarantee him future replacements for quite some time, if needed. The main transport is the same as in the 680 so running on half speed should give comparable results. The play/ record head of the 480 should give nice response on playback, I reckon. Recording is a different issue, but not needed here. I have looked at the schematics of the 680 and find several hints at the magical half speed circuitry. The most direct hint is the switch leading the motor power through two different paths. The normal speed path goes via the speed adjustment VR407, the half speed path via VR408 and an additional resistor in series. Is this series resistor the main difference? This would make for an easy mod! But I would expect an change in a phase locked loop circuit , a bit more complex then this series resistor & I did notice a different chance being a switch in the bias circuitry, probably changing the bias frequency for recording in half speed. As said earlier, this is not an issue here. What do I need to change? I cannot even find the value of this series resistor. I am not an electronics engineer, so reading service manuals is posing many questions. Would be very glad to get your advise. Keeps the Naks alive Henk Schenk Rotterdam, Netherlands http://nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From DM2 at marctronixx.com Thu Oct 12 01:59:42 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:59:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] my 0.02$. Anyone; feel free to disagree. In-Reply-To: <200610112222.k9BMMVV7029394@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: First off, I apologize that my name doesn't show up here. I'm used to the yahoo groups showing my name. I am marc BTW. As for the RX 505, mine personally "grunts" when you press stop. I'm told by members of this group it's due to the cam needing lubing. Other than that, the transport is silent when engaging and disengaging. I only hear the tape fast winding. As for WOW and flutter, I don't have specialized test equipment that you and other may have on this esteemed list, nor do I have "golden ear" that you and others have. I don't have any other rare and higher end tape decks to test this one with. My only other deck is a pioneer 6 +1 cassette changer that I enjoy for the nostalgic value. I must admit I don't see much talk of the 505 on this forum which leads me to believe it must be on the bottom of the list in decks. I have great results form this deck which is why I asked what the "flaws" are. I can't argue with you on specs and such, I can only offer what my ears tell me. Please, YOU educate ME! :-) Marc. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ScHenk Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:22 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] my 0.02$. Anyone; feel free to disagree. DM2, The RX505 is a very good machine. I really like working with them. What has captured my attention is the loud noises of the transport. I've owned two of them and the noises were identical. Also, and more important, the flutter seems to be higher then super nak decks. So this has raised a question on this particular model. I wonder about the validity of upside down mounting of the transport. But I rely on two samples only, against 20 odd different classical Nak transports I own and love. Share your experience with me, please. From: "DM2" Subject: RE: [naktalk] (no subject) To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Whats "flawed" about the RX-505? ----------------------------------- Mike, half of 1 7/8 is not better than anything. BUT, my acquaintance has recordings on this speed and thus will want replay at this speed. That's it. Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl Subject: Re: [naktalk] Half speed Mod ? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20061011204012.79775.qmail at web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi: Is half of 1 7/8 better than double of 1 7/8 ? I thought higher speed should provide better sonic performance than slower speed ( at least that is what happen to Reel-to-Reel ). From the spec. of the 680ZX, running at normal speed has a better frequency response than half of the normal speed. Correct me if the above is wrong. Thanks. Mike ----------------------------------- Tim, I've sampled about 5 RX202 decks and just one CR2. To me they are quite similar. But from the 5 samples 3 of the RX202 were modified to partake into tape copying systems. After undoing the mods some doubts prevail. The left channels are demoted in dynamics and also the meters will show low levels in the left channels. This might intervene in my opinion. I do align replay heads alike to be able to interchange tapes. This is all important. About the 580 series I do concur. My first Nak was a 581 (akin 582) and has aroused the love and devotion to the brand. I am not impartial to this these models. I would certainly rate those into the good or very good level, but I am not objective to those models. About raising the Dragons and ZX's a level: Those are very good technical tour the forces. Although they sound a bit technical (read cold) to me. They sound like a overload of opamps or IC's. Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl From: "Tim Skorick" Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <6bddc1110610111232n35c11324q685f3bbf3bd1fcae at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > In qualitative sence it is directly comparable with your CR2e. Thus, > below your CR7 (very good!) and also below the CR5. > I haven't given a serious listen to many of the Naks on your scale, but I'm not sure I'd say the 202 is qualitatively that similar with the CR-2. I have a CR-1 (which is a CR-2 without the remote and bias fine tune) and the sound from it is noticably less full and detailed compared to my entry- and mid-level BX and RX decks. There is the chance that this is due to the CR-1 bias being untuned or the age of its heads, so who knows. I would also put the venerable 582Z up there in the "Good" level, and promote the Dragons and ZXes a level. Just me $.02 -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Oct 12 02:45:51 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] my 0.02$. Anyone; feel free to disagree. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061012004551.81746.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> RX 505 is excellent machine -I would place it on top of the Nak decks entirely due to its unique ability to record and play on both sides of a cassette. Secondly it a Nak three head with Nal classic mechanism. I also noticed its electronics to be as good as Dragon's electronics. I have repaired two Rx 505 and found them to be top notch in terms of record and play quality. Nakamichi like any other electronic equipment requires maintanence. And yours requires such alignment and probably belt changes. If only it had bias and level adjustment like other top nakamichis, I would place this along with ZX 9/ 7 in terms of quality. Kannan DM2 wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } First off, I apologize that my name doesn’t show up here. I’m used to the yahoo groups showing my name. I am marc BTW As for the RX 505, mine personally “grunts” when you press stop. I’m told by members of this group it’s due to the cam needing lubing. Other than that, the transport is silent when engaging and disengaging. I only hear the tape fast winding. As for WOW and flutter, I don’t have specialized test equipment that you and other may have on this esteemed list, nor do I have “golden ear” that you and others have. I don’t have any other rare and higher end tape decks to test this one with. My only other deck is a pioneer 6 +1 cassette changer that I enjoy for the nostalgic value. I must admit I don’t see much talk of the 505 on this forum which leads me to believe it must be on the bottom of the list in decks. I have great results form this deck which is why I asked what the “flaws” are. I can’t argue with you on specs and such, I can only offer what my ears tell me. Please, YOU educate ME! J Marc. --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ScHenk Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:22 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] my 0.02$. Anyone; feel free to disagree. DM2, The RX505 is a very good machine. I really like working with them. What has captured my attention is the loud noises of the transport. I’ve owned two of them and the noises were identical. Also, and more important, the flutter seems to be higher then super nak decks. So this has raised a question on this particular model. I wonder about the validity of upside down mounting of the transport. But I rely on two samples only, against 20 odd different classical Nak transports I own and love. Share your experience with me, please. From: "DM2" Subject: RE: [naktalk] (no subject) To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Whats "flawed" about the RX-505? ----------------------------------- Mike, half of 1 7/8 is not better than anything. BUT, my acquaintance has recordings on this speed and thus will want replay at this speed. That’s it. Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl Subject: Re: [naktalk] Half speed Mod ? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20061011204012.79775.qmail at web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi: Is half of 1 7/8 better than double of 1 7/8 ? I thought higher speed should provide better sonic performance than slower speed ( at least that is what happen to Reel-to-Reel ). From the spec. of the 680ZX, running at normal speed has a better frequency response than half of the normal speed. Correct me if the above is wrong. Thanks. Mike ----------------------------------- Tim, I’ve sampled about 5 RX202 decks and just one CR2. To me they are quite similar. But from the 5 samples 3 of the RX202 were modified to partake into tape copying systems. After undoing the mods some doubts prevail. The left channels are demoted in dynamics and also the meters will show low levels in the left channels. This might intervene in my opinion. I do align replay heads alike to be able to interchange tapes. This is all important. About the 580 series I do concur. My first Nak was a 581 (akin 582) and has aroused the love and devotion to the brand. I am not impartial to this these models. I would certainly rate those into the good or very good level, but I am not objective to those models. About raising the Dragons and ZX’s a level: Those are very good technical tour the forces. Although they sound a bit technical (read cold) to me. They sound like a overload of opamps or IC’s. Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl From: "Tim Skorick" Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <6bddc1110610111232n35c11324q685f3bbf3bd1fcae at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > In qualitative sence it is directly comparable with your CR2e. Thus, > below your CR7 (very good!) and also below the CR5. > I haven't given a serious listen to many of the Naks on your scale, but I'm not sure I'd say the 202 is qualitatively that similar with the CR-2. I have a CR-1 (which is a CR-2 without the remote and bias fine tune) and the sound from it is noticably less full and detailed compared to my entry- and mid-level BX and RX decks. There is the chance that this is due to the CR-1 bias being untuned or the age of its heads, so who knows. I would also put the venerable 582Z up there in the "Good" level, and promote the Dragons and ZXes a level. Just me $.02 -Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Oct 12 02:46:14 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:46:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 19:07:41 +0000, "Alex Cozac" wrote: >Dear Ben, > >Sorry I own a Technics SL-1200 have ONLY two speeds 33.33 & 45 RPM...so 78 YOU CAN GET IT....SORRY!!! No Alex, Ben wrote a response to Bob: >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion >> on where to sell these?? >>From: Ben Torre >>Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:03:34 -0400 >> >>At 09:16 AM 10/6/06, you wrote: >>>Everyone must remember if you see a turntable that has 78 speed used >>>anywhere, get it! >>>Bob >> >>Why not modify the pile of direct drive turntables we see put out as >>bulk trash every day for 78.26 RPM with a +/- 20% pitch >>control. That would pretty well cover almost every 78 ever >>made. I've seen guys do that to the old Technics SL-1200. >> >>I would have done that years ago, but I have an Empire 208 with an >>SME series III arm that has a 78 speed. >>... What Ben refers to is a mod for the Technics SL-12xx Mk 2 which enables 78 rpm mode ( there are two speed buttons and I seem to remember that the 33/45 action is toggled using one button and 78 is achieved with the second). You can find the mod here at KABUSA: http://www.kabusa.com/78sl1200.htm -Mikkel From DM2 at marctronixx.com Thu Oct 12 03:07:24 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:07:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is someone looking to sell a Technics 1200? From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Oct 12 03:52:42 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:52:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Heads yes nak built their own tape heads In-Reply-To: <20061010111733.5263.qmail@web50015.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061010111733.5263.qmail@web50015.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1J8tRTOMnsCqscEXA9DFWRRVYVl4@4ax.com> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:17:33 -0700 (PDT), Russ Seals wrote: >Thanks Boeing for replying. >well if they made there own heads did they put there >heads in the third party decks such as the Kyocera and >Onkyo? I was just curious . Aha, I can see where you're headed ;) -Mikkel From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Oct 12 04:08:31 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:08:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] my 0.02$. Anyone; feel free to disagree. Message-ID: > If only it had bias and level adjustment like other top nakamichis,... I agree that it's mostly the lack of adjustability and diagnostics-- like there's a manual bias adjust but no test tones--that's "annoying" with the RX-505. If you only used one "brand" for each type of tape (I use quotes because batches do differ especially over long periods of manufacturing time) and the deck was adjusted for those, then there shouldn't be a major sonic difference with the other 3-head Naks. I do have one odd question about UDAR though.Nakamichi touted it as the alternative solution to the Dragon's exotic play head that allows it to adjust playback azimuth on each side, or as the bi-directional adaptation of doing record head azimuth alighnment so that record and playheads were wrt azimuth. UDAR is supposed to mean the tape has the same shell-caused skew. However, there's no adjustment for azimuth adjustment in even one direction; all UDAR seems to guarantee to me is that the azimuth alignment is the same in both directions--but not necessarily "right" in either. Am I missing something?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Oct 12 04:43:31 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] my 0.02$. Anyone; feel free to disagree. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061012024331.6913.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You are definitely missing that special with Nak ( particularly Classic Nak mechanism with their head mount) shell alignment and other anomolies are removed by pressure padless dual capstan 0.15 speed differential drives and a vey good capstan bearings. you will be surprised to see no problems in both directions in RX 505. Still tape middle and ends - have slightly different azimuth alignment for 15 Khz and above. So Dragon wins hands down on correct azimuth because it adjusts continuously - anywhere in the tape.We do not hear these extreme high frequencies and RX 505 sound excellent on both directions. kannan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: If only it had bias and level adjustment like other top nakamichis,... I agree that it's mostly the lack of adjustability and diagnostics--like there's a manual bias adjust but no test tones--that's "annoying" with the RX-505. If you only used one "brand" for each type of tape (I use quotes because batches do differ especially over long periods of manufacturing time) and the deck was adjusted for those, then there shouldn't be a major sonic difference with the other 3-head Naks. I do have one odd question about UDAR though.Nakamichi touted it as the alternative solution to the Dragon's exotic play head that allows it to adjust playback azimuth on each side, or as the bi-directional adaptation of doing record head azimuth alighnment so that record and playheads were wrt azimuth. UDAR is supposed to mean the tape has the same shell-caused skew. However, there's no adjustment for azimuth adjustment in even one direction; all UDAR seems to guarantee to me is that the azimuth alignment is the same in both directions--but not necessarily "right" in either. Am I missing something?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Thu Oct 12 04:46:01 2006 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:46:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] my 0.02$. Anyone; feel free to disagree. In-Reply-To: <20061012004551.81746.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have owned several Naks including the 505 of which I have had at least four. As I mentioned somewhere before I recorded on a 505 some twenty years ago using Teac's mdx metal tape. My source was a fairly loaded Linn lp12 and the music was Gino Vanelli's "Brother to Brother" album of which it was an audiophile pressing. To put it short the result was extraordinarily good. In fact today when I replay this recording Iam amazed how good it sounds. I recall a conversation I had with a senior tech from Nak USA twenty two years ago and in one of our several conversations he told me that while the 505 was without built in test tones it is more than capable of producing stunning recordings when matched or biased to a particular tape. I am convinced! Its an extremely easy deck to use and it makes superior recordings to any two head Nak. Its sound quality is on par with the best of Naks. Regards to all. >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] my 0.02$. Anyone; feel free to disagree. >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:45:51 -0700 (PDT) > >RX 505 is excellent machine -I would place it on top of the Nak decks >entirely due to its unique ability to record and play on both sides of a >cassette. Secondly it a Nak three head with Nal classic mechanism. I also >noticed its electronics to be as good as Dragon's electronics. I have >repaired two Rx 505 and found them to be top notch in terms of record and >play quality. Nakamichi like any other electronic equipment requires >maintanence. And yours requires such alignment and probably belt changes. >If only it had bias and level adjustment like other top nakamichis, I would >place this along with ZX 9/ 7 in terms of quality. > Kannan > >DM2 wrote: > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* >{behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape >{behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } > First off, I apologize that my name doesn�t show up here. >I�m used to the yahoo groups showing my name. I am marc BTW� > > As for the RX 505, mine personally �grunts� when you press stop. I�m >told by members of this group it�s due to the cam needing lubing. Other >than that, the transport is silent when engaging and disengaging. I only >hear the tape fast winding. > > As for WOW and flutter, I don�t have specialized test equipment that you >and other may have on this esteemed list, nor do I have �golden ear� that >you and others have. I don�t have any other rare and higher end tape decks >to test this one with. My only other deck is a pioneer 6 +1 cassette >changer that I enjoy for the nostalgic value. > > I must admit I don�t see much talk of the 505 on this forum which leads >me to believe it must be on the bottom of the list in decks. I have great >results form this deck which is why I asked what the �flaws� are. I can�t >argue with you on specs and such, I can only offer what my ears tell me. > > Please, YOU educate ME! J > > Marc. > > >--------------------------------- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of ScHenk >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:22 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] my 0.02$. Anyone; feel free to disagree. > > > DM2, > > The RX505 is a very good machine. I really like working with them. What >has captured my attention is the loud noises of the transport. I�ve owned >two of them and the noises were identical. Also, and more important, the >flutter seems to be higher then super nak decks. So this has raised a >question on this particular model. I wonder about the validity of upside >down mounting of the transport. But I rely on two samples only, against 20 >odd different classical Nak transports I own and love. Share your >experience with me, please. > > From: "DM2" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] (no subject) > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Whats "flawed" about the RX-505? > > ----------------------------------- > > > Mike, > > half of 1 7/8 is not better than anything. > BUT, my acquaintance has recordings on this speed and thus will want >replay at this speed. That�s it. > > Henk Schenk > http://www.nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Half speed Mod ? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20061011204012.79775.qmail at web80202.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi: > Is half of 1 7/8 better than double of 1 7/8 ? I thought higher >speed should provide better sonic performance than slower speed ( at least >that is what happen to Reel-to-Reel ). From the spec. of the 680ZX, running >at normal speed has a better frequency response than half of the normal >speed. Correct me if the above is wrong. Thanks. > > > Mike > > ----------------------------------- > > Tim, > > I�ve sampled about 5 RX202 decks and just one CR2. To me they are quite >similar. But from the 5 samples 3 of the RX202 were modified to partake >into tape copying systems. After undoing the mods some doubts prevail. The >left channels are demoted in dynamics and also the meters will show low >levels in the left channels. This might intervene in my opinion. I do align >replay heads alike to be able to interchange tapes. This is all important. > > About the 580 series I do concur. My first Nak was a 581 (akin 582) and >has aroused the love and devotion to the brand. I am not impartial to this >these models. I would certainly rate those into the good or very good >level, but I am not objective to those models. > > About raising the Dragons and ZX�s a level: Those are very good >technical tour the forces. Although they sound a bit technical (read cold) >to me. They sound like a overload of opamps or IC�s. > > > Henk Schenk > http://www.nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl > > > From: "Tim Skorick" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > <6bddc1110610111232n35c11324q685f3bbf3bd1fcae at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > In qualitative sence it is directly comparable with your CR2e. Thus, > > below your CR7 (very good!) and also below the CR5. > > > > I haven't given a serious listen to many of the Naks on your scale, but >I'm not sure I'd say the 202 is qualitatively that similar with the CR-2. >I have a CR-1 (which is a CR-2 without the remote and bias fine tune) and >the sound from it is noticably less full and detailed compared to my entry- >and mid-level BX and RX decks. There is the chance that this is due to the >CR-1 bias being untuned or the age of its heads, so who knows. > > I would also put the venerable 582Z up there in the "Good" level, and >promote the Dragons and ZXes a level. > > Just me $.02 > > -Tim > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Oct 12 07:18:01 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:18:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these?? Message-ID: Hi! WHY...you are looking for a Technics SL-1200, today you can very easily buy a 1200/ll. Which is extremely similarly? I'm replying your mail...because I own one...mine is the SL-120 (Factory came with NO arm), with a board for SME series arms...I'm using it wit ha Rega RB-300 + Ortofon Jubilee MC cartridge!. Peace,ALEX! > From: DM2 at marctronixx.com> To: mibm at tdcadsl.dk; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these??> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:07:24 -0400> CC: > > Is someone looking to sell a Technics 1200?> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Use Messenger to talk to your IM friends, even those on Yahoo! http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=7adb59de-a857-45ba-81cc-685ee3e858fe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Oct 12 07:46:24 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 1:46:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: <19846175.1160631984620.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> My plans are as follows: I want to catalog and record all my vinyl to tape using my beloved Dragon.. I am using a Sony X600 BioTracer turntable with a Shure V15vxmr cartridge. Lovely combo! Okay, then I plan on using the Dragon as the analog source and my PC to convert the analog to digital format on CD. I know there are a lot of sound cards out there that basically take in the analog and do a rough 44khz transfer. Can anyone recommend a sound card that seems to be best suited for this task? I seem to recall seeing this setup where you install a patch on the PC so hooking up is a piece of cake. I know that there are quite a few relatively inexpensive CDR recorders but it appears that I already have too much stufff in my playroom. Suggestions on a superb sound card or a firm push into buying a stereo unit? From bernardsda at hotmail.com Thu Oct 12 08:58:05 2006 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:58:05 +1300 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Oct 12 12:53:18 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heads yes nak built their own tape heads In-Reply-To: <1J8tRTOMnsCqscEXA9DFWRRVYVl4@4ax.com> Message-ID: <20061012105318.78912.qmail@web50012.mail.yahoo.com> just thought it might me one more way to keep are beloved Naks running in the future. peace --- Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:17:33 -0700 (PDT), Russ Seals > wrote: > > >Thanks Boeing for replying. > >well if they made there own heads did they put > there > >heads in the third party decks such as the Kyocera > and > >Onkyo? I was just curious . > > Aha, I can see where you're headed ;) > > -Mikkel > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Oct 12 12:53:42 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:53:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Message-ID: My dear Bernard, NO...i don't intend to "Play" as when I was 3 decades younger ...changing 4 times during a month each week another cartridge "HOPPING"...that I will "Discover America Once Again", rarely happens!!!!. So now...that I'm 63 years old I learn "NO FREE MEALS"...if really want to enjoy my extensive large LP records library (Today circa 12,000 LP records), MUST buy the BEST & EXPENSIVE cartridge that I can afford...as I like very much Ortofons I go forward with the Top of the Line Jubilee one. No the gifted Grado Prestige Silver...NEVER will be use by me! Sorry...also if something happens to the very fragile cartridge leads on my lovely Rega RB-300 arm...it's now at my age an a extremely hard job changing such cartridge clips...so NO MORE...playing changing cartridges...IF...only...IF...the needle/cantilever issue will be damaged///MUST send the whole cartridge to Otofons factory for "Retitping"...but till so...will remain mounted on my lovely Rega arm. Bernard all the best & a very happy enjoying with your stereo set up! Peace,ALEX! From: bernardsda at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setupDate: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:58:05 +1300 Alex - I hope you enjoy listening to your new Grado. Your 'Silver' is practically the same as a 'Gold'; they're a good buy, no doubt about it. I'm not sure what you mean buy being handmade in a wooden case. The Prestige series is not: but the next series up is: I think they're low output moving irons - most unusual. But they, too, are unshielded and so will hum. The funny thing is, before buying my Grado I knew that they hummed on certain tables, but I never saw the Linn mentioned in that connection. But it does on mine! Nice 50Hz hum that gets worse as the arm moves towards the spindle. At least the hum's in tune with the fridge!! Maybe it's because my Linn just uses a standard motor - no Valhalla power supply or anything like that. I've wondered about trying to shield the motor but haven't found a successful way of doing that yet. Someone mentione Mumetal to me, but it's a bit hard to obtain. (An origin You mentioned Ortofons. My other cartridge is an Ortofon Z5-MC. Great performer for the price, but a bit lean - as others have commented. I had hoped that going with my Luxman hybrid amp it might sound warm enough, but not really. I bought the Grado as a foil to the Ortofon. I taped a number of pieces the other day on two Sony Metal XR tapes (the newer European versions) and did some A-B listening. Hard to decide which I prefer. The Ortofon really runs rings around the Grado when it comes to sheer clarity and evenness of tone: it's nicely balanced, very refined. It impresses you straight away as a classy cartridge. But the Grado, which sounds cheaper and a little unrefined by comparison, in some ways is more beautiful to the ears: more solid bass, richer sound from top to bottom. I'm wanting to record my LP collection, but haven't been able to decide yet which cart. to use. At the moment I'm using a DR10, which I think adds its own colouration - warms up the sound ever-so-slightly. I'll be interested to hear what my 1000ZXL does when I record with the Ortofon: with the ZXL's impressive bass and overall warmth, maybe I'll be happier with the Ortofon. In theory, I suppose, a recording machine should not ADD anything - and the better the recorder the more that should be true. But I suspect that each Nak has its own soundprint which will 'colour' a recording made on that machine. CAN ANYONE COMMENT ON THIS? Bernard From: "Alex Cozac" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "Bernard White" Subject: RE: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setupDate: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:24:55 +0000 Hi Bernard,?lt;br> It's if I recall well from 4 decades earlier...when i was a "Mad" audiophile & a little bit less "OLD"...(Joking!), your Grace arm is made from wood? Yes the Grado cartridges in some combinations deliver "HUM" problems. Today I received as a gift a "SILVER" Grado cartridge...as I love MC's Ortofons..seems me that NEVER i will use it! Are those NOT handmade in a wood case!?lt;br> Peace,ALEX! Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband! _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/trial.aspx?sc_cid=wl_wlmail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Oct 12 14:11:15 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:11:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Heads yes nak built their own tape heads Message-ID: Yes...it is very easy...with carefully maintenance...as I do after, 10 cassettes 100 minutes each; both sides playing or recording whatever you need it..., clean extremely well all the path & rollers + heads & for the "Finale"...degauss them slowly & super well...your heads will last more that the whole electronics inside the unit! Enjoy using your unit ,ALEX! > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:53:18 -0700> From: r1seals at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heads yes nak built their own tape heads > To: mibm at tdcadsl.dk; naktalk at naks.com> CC: > > just thought it might me one more way to keep are> beloved Naks running in the future. peace> > --- Mikkel Breiler wrote:> > > On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:17:33 -0700 (PDT), Russ Seals> > wrote:> > > > >Thanks Boeing for replying.> > >well if they made there own heads did they put> > there> > >heads in the third party decks such as the Kyocera> > and> > >Onkyo? I was just curious .> > > > Aha, I can see where you're headed ;)> > > > -Mikkel> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today!> > http://www.naks.com/register> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here:> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > > __________________________________________________> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenkirk at gte.net Thu Oct 12 14:46:53 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:46:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] my 0.02$. Anyone; feel free to disagree Message-ID: <452E393D.5010409@gte.net> In my opinion, what separates the RX 505 from the pack is its ability to record in reverse using a three head design with the classic Nak mechanism. I know it is missing the killer features of the NAAC, level and bias adjustments, but it offers one button record set up, auto fade out and reverse and auto fade in after flipping the tape. Then it auto fades out at the end of the tape. This makes it the recording beast. I find myself recording with the 505 and playing the tapes back on my dragon. Of course you have to set up the 505 for the brand of tape you use, but it makes recordings that are very close to the dragon. Besides the NAAC, the dragons duel direct drive capstans probably help it achieve its slightly better sound. I also think the 505 is more reliable. But that is just my own experience. If I could only have one Nak, I would probably choose the RX 505. Ken From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 12 14:56:09 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:56:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <19846175.1160631984620.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> References: <19846175.1160631984620.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <452E3B69.7010904@rcn.com> See http://www.pcavtech.com/ for sound card information. -- Ron Roland wrote: > My plans are as follows: I want to catalog and record all my vinyl to tape using my beloved Dragon.. > > I am using a Sony X600 BioTracer turntable with a Shure V15vxmr cartridge. Lovely combo! > > Okay, then I plan on using the Dragon as the analog source and my PC to convert the analog to digital format on CD. > > I know there are a lot of sound cards out there that basically take in the analog and do a rough 44khz transfer. > > Can anyone recommend a sound card that seems to be best suited for this task? I seem to recall seeing this setup where you install a patch on the PC so hooking up is a piece of cake. > > I know that there are quite a few relatively inexpensive CDR recorders but it appears that I already have too much stufff in my playroom. > > Suggestions on a superb sound card or a firm push into buying a stereo unit? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 12 15:19:27 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <19846175.1160631984620.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <20061012131927.1457.qmail@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I transfer from cassette to CD all the time. The sound card in this PC is what came in it when I bought it new (hp). Bob Roland wrote: My plans are as follows: I want to catalog and record all my vinyl to tape using my beloved Dragon.. I am using a Sony X600 BioTracer turntable with a Shure V15vxmr cartridge. Lovely combo! Okay, then I plan on using the Dragon as the analog source and my PC to convert the analog to digital format on CD. I know there are a lot of sound cards out there that basically take in the analog and do a rough 44khz transfer. Can anyone recommend a sound card that seems to be best suited for this task? I seem to recall seeing this setup where you install a patch on the PC so hooking up is a piece of cake. I know that there are quite a few relatively inexpensive CDR recorders but it appears that I already have too much stufff in my playroom. Suggestions on a superb sound card or a firm push into buying a stereo unit? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Oct 12 15:22:00 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:22:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Message-ID: <268.38379d3b.325f9b78@aol.com> Hi Bernard, Alex and Martin, You guys refreshed my memory! I once brought a Sato Sapphire turntable from an audiophile I still have it he gave me a Grado Reference Patinum Stereo Cartridge which he has marked low Output . Is this cartridge any good! I havent even find time to play the Sato its being sitting for two years without being used. Is this turntable any good ?! is going to sound better than my beloved Technics Sp 10 MK2 turntable when I get about listening to it i.e Sato. The cartridge is mint in orginal box a wood display box the body of the cartridge and stylus protective cover is made of beautiful wood to match the display box. I have to find some time to use the decca this grado to find out whats the sound is like. Alex thanks for sending pics I LIKE YOUR JBL HARTSFIELD SPEAKER! if you decided to sell let me know! I love JBL I have sinle JBL 250 and have heard jbl vintage 15" woofers they great bass also i use to have pair Klipschorn corner horn speakers they were loud! and expensive! and awesome to look at 52 in high! I love sound from horn speakers its very dynamic! and arrive at ears at full impact!!:) Thanks! 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I'm replying your mail...because I own one...mine is the SL-120 (Factory came with NO arm), with a board for SME series arms...I'm using it wit ha Rega RB-300 + Ortofon Jubilee MC cartridge!. Peace, ALEX! _____ > From: DM2 at marctronixx.com > To: mibm at tdcadsl.dk; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these?? > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:07:24 -0400 > CC: > > Is someone looking to sell a Technics 1200? > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Use Messenger to talk to your IM friends, even those on Yahoo! Talk now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Oct 12 15:29:13 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 9:29:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: <14406015.1160659753770.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Thanks! ---- Ron wrote: > > See http://www.pcavtech.com/ for sound card information. > > -- Ron > > > Roland wrote: > > My plans are as follows: I want to catalog and record all my vinyl to tape using my beloved Dragon.. > > > > I am using a Sony X600 BioTracer turntable with a Shure V15vxmr cartridge. Lovely combo! > > > > Okay, then I plan on using the Dragon as the analog source and my PC to convert the analog to digital format on CD. > > > > I know there are a lot of sound cards out there that basically take in the analog and do a rough 44khz transfer. > > > > Can anyone recommend a sound card that seems to be best suited for this task? I seem to recall seeing this setup where you install a patch on the PC so hooking up is a piece of cake. > > > > I know that there are quite a few relatively inexpensive CDR recorders but it appears that I already have too much stufff in my playroom. > > > > Suggestions on a superb sound card or a firm push into buying a stereo unit? > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 12 15:31:15 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061012133115.67036.qmail@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Everyone, I have an Empire 2000T in a technics SL3300. How does this stand up to the cartridges mentioned here? Bob Alex Cozac wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } My dear Bernard, NO...i don't intend to "Play" as when I was 3 decades younger ...changing 4 times during a month each week another cartridge "HOPPING"...that I will "Discover America Once Again", rarely happens!!!!. So now...that I'm 63 years old I learn "NO FREE MEALS"...if really want to enjoy my extensive large LP records library (Today circa 12,000 LP records), MUST buy the BEST & EXPENSIVE cartridge that I can afford...as I like very much Ortofons I go forward with the Top of the Line Jubilee one. No the gifted Grado Prestige Silver...NEVER will be use by me! Sorry...also if something happens to the very fragile cartridge leads on my lovely Rega RB-300 arm...it's now at my age an a extremely hard job changing such cartridge clips...so NO MORE...playing changing cartridges...IF...only...IF...the needle/cantilever issue will be damaged///MUST send the whole cartridge to Otofons factory for "Retitping"...but till so...will remain mounted on my lovely Rega arm. Bernard all the best & a very happy enjoying with your stereo set up! Peace, ALEX! --------------------------------- From: bernardsda at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:58:05 +1300 Alex - I hope you enjoy listening to your new Grado. Your 'Silver' is practically the same as a 'Gold'; they're a good buy, no doubt about it. I'm not sure what you mean buy being handmade in a wooden case. The Prestige series is not: but the next series up is: I think they're low output moving irons - most unusual. But they, too, are unshielded and so will hum. The funny thing is, before buying my Grado I knew that they hummed on certain tables, but I never saw the Linn mentioned in that connection. But it does on mine! Nice 50Hz hum that gets worse as the arm moves towards the spindle. At least the hum's in tune with the fridge!! Maybe it's because my Linn just uses a standard motor - no Valhalla power supply or anything like that. I've wondered about trying to shield the motor but haven't found a successful way of doing that yet. Someone mentione Mumetal to me, but it's a bit hard to obtain. (An origin You mentioned Ortofons. My other cartridge is an Ortofon Z5-MC. Great performer for the price, but a bit lean - as others have commented. I had hoped that going with my Luxman hybrid amp it might sound warm enough, but not really. I bought the Grado as a foil to the Ortofon. I taped a number of pieces the other day on two Sony Metal XR tapes (the newer European versions) and did some A-B listening. Hard to decide which I prefer. The Ortofon really runs rings around the Grado when it comes to sheer clarity and evenness of tone: it's nicely balanced, very refined. It impresses you straight away as a classy cartridge. But the Grado, which sounds cheaper and a little unrefined by comparison, in some ways is more beautiful to the ears: more solid bass, richer sound from top to bottom. I'm wanting to record my LP collection, but haven't been able to decide yet which cart. to use. At the moment I'm using a DR10, which I think adds its own colouration - warms up the sound ever-so-slightly. I'll be interested to hear what my 1000ZXL does when I record with the Ortofon: with the ZXL's impressive bass and overall warmth, maybe I'll be happier with the Ortofon. In theory, I suppose, a recording machine should not ADD anything - and the better the recorder the more that should be true. But I suspect that each Nak has its own soundprint which will 'colour' a recording made on that machine. CAN ANYONE COMMENT ON THIS? Bernard --------------------------------- From: "Alex Cozac" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "Bernard White" Subject: RE: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:24:55 +0000 .ExternalClass P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hi Bernard, ?lt;br> It's if I recall well from 4 decades earlier...when i was a "Mad" audiophile & a little bit less "OLD"...(Joking!), your Grace arm is made from wood? Yes the Grado cartridges in some combinations deliver "HUM" problems. Today I received as a gift a "SILVER" Grado cartridge...as I love MC's Ortofons..seems me that NEVER i will use it! Are those NOT handmade in a wood case! ?lt;br> Peace, ALEX! --------------------------------- Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband! --------------------------------- All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! Learn more!========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 12 15:34:13 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <20061012131927.1457.qmail@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061012133413.99528.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> BTW with great results! Bob Bob Naylor wrote: I transfer from cassette to CD all the time. The sound card in this PC is what came in it when I bought it new (hp). Bob Roland wrote: My plans are as follows: I want to catalog and record all my vinyl to tape using my beloved Dragon.. I am using a Sony X600 BioTracer turntable with a Shure V15vxmr cartridge. Lovely combo! Okay, then I plan on using the Dragon as the analog source and my PC to convert the analog to digital format on CD. I know there are a lot of sound cards out there that basically take in the analog and do a rough 44khz transfer. Can anyone recommend a sound card that seems to be best suited for this task? I seem to recall seeing this setup where you install a patch on the PC so hooking up is a piece of cake. I know that there are quite a few relatively inexpensive CDR recorders but it appears that I already have too much stufff in my playroom. 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URL: From audioetc at videotron.qc.ca Thu Oct 12 15:36:55 2006 From: audioetc at videotron.qc.ca (Marc Denis) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:36:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi for my Collection! In-Reply-To: <000801c6ed3f$af039d10$0d2aa8c0@Manepa.local> References: <000801c6ed3f$af039d10$0d2aa8c0@Manepa.local> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061012093226.03b02c98@videotron.qc.ca> RX-202 is basically a BX-150 plus the auto-reverse feature. At 10:15 10/11/2006, you wrote: >Obviously the auto reverse function on the RX202 is a real feature >to impress friends with, but how does the deck compare to other >Nakamichi Decks newer and older in terms of performance? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Oct 12 15:40:00 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:40:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Message-ID: He my dear Ali , Seems me ,that the SOTA Shappire NOT Sato as you wrote being belt drive will sound better that your DD Technics also you do not mention which arm came fitted with your acquired Sota table? Yes the Grado reference is "Handmade" cartridge with a very low output if I recall , well something like 1/2 mv which really is very low...so you maybe , depends which preamp you own , will be needed some step up device. But as made from wood the selected arm is imperatived important...! must be very well grounded..., I think that will work superb with your Sota table...as maybe with the DD Technics configuration, HUM can be something hard to resolve. Inform us your results. BTW...Sorry my wintage JBL "The Hartsfield" mono speaker, will remain in our family till I will pass to an a better life...! (After so...I can't do nothing!).Peace , ALEX! From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:22:00 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Bernard, Alex and Martin, You guys refreshed my memory! I once brought a Sato Sapphire turntable from an audiophile I still have it he gave me a Grado Reference Patinum Stereo Cartridge which he has marked low Output . Is this cartridge any good! I havent even find time to play the Sato its being sitting for two years without being used. Is this turntable any good ?! is going to sound better than my beloved Technics Sp 10 MK2 turntable when I get about listening to it i.e Sato. The cartridge is mint in orginal box a wood display box the body of the cartridge and stylus protective cover is made of beautiful wood to match the display box. I have to find some time to use the decca this grado to find out whats the sound is like. Alex thanks for sending pics I LIKE YOUR JBL HARTSFIELD SPEAKER! if you decided to sell let me know! I love JBL I have sinle JBL 250 and have heard jbl vintage 15" woofers they great bass also i use to have pair Klipschorn corner horn speakers they were loud! and expensive! and awesome to look at 52 in high! I love sound from horn speakers its very dynamic! and arrive at ears at full impact!!:) Thanks! Ali _________________________________________________________________ Use Messenger to talk to your IM friends, even those on Yahoo! http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=7adb59de-a857-45ba-81cc-685ee3e858fe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm replying your mail...because I own one...mine is the SL-120 (Factory came with NO arm), with a board for SME series arms...I'm using it wit ha Rega RB-300 + Ortofon Jubilee MC cartridge!. Peace,ALEX! > From: DM2 at marctronixx.com> To: mibm at tdcadsl.dk; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these??> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:07:24 -0400> CC: > > Is someone looking to sell a Technics 1200?> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Use Messenger to talk to your IM friends, even those on Yahoo! 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So, I guess that the newer soundcards closely match the performance of those that were considered professional cards just a few years ago. ---- Bob Naylor wrote: > BTW with great results! > Bob > > Bob Naylor wrote: I transfer from cassette to CD all the time. The sound card in this PC is what came in it when I bought it new (hp). > Bob > > Roland wrote: My plans are as follows: I want to catalog and record all my vinyl to tape using my beloved Dragon.. > > I am using a Sony X600 BioTracer turntable with a Shure V15vxmr cartridge. Lovely combo! > > Okay, then I plan on using the Dragon as the analog source and my PC to convert the analog to digital format on CD. > > I know there are a lot of sound cards out there that basically take in the analog and do a rough 44khz transfer. > > Can anyone recommend a sound card that seems to be best suited for this task? I seem to recall seeing this setup where you install a patch on the PC so hooking up is a piece of cake. > > I know that there are quite a few relatively inexpensive CDR recorders but it appears that I already have too much stufff in my playroom. > > Suggestions on a superb sound card or a firm push into buying a stereo unit? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gvgeoffward at yahoo.com Thu Oct 12 17:54:35 2006 From: gvgeoffward at yahoo.com (Geoff Ward) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <19846175.1160631984620.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <20061012155435.44406.qmail@web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Roland, I use a Creative Labs Audigy 2ZS with a home made phono preamp and the results are excellent. The Audigy card provides MUCH better sound quality than the Live! card I used previously. I would bet the new X-Fi series is even better. As far as the pre-amp...just use the tape out's on your existing system to feed the line in's on the soundcard. For software - I use a program called Audio Cleaning Lab by Magix Software. It provides a full suite of software based utilities for click and pop removal, de-essing etc. Yes - there are probably better ways to do this out there but this system is inexpensive and provides excellent sound quality overall. Cheers, Geoff Roland wrote: My plans are as follows: I want to catalog and record all my vinyl to tape using my beloved Dragon.. I am using a Sony X600 BioTracer turntable with a Shure V15vxmr cartridge. Lovely combo! Okay, then I plan on using the Dragon as the analog source and my PC to convert the analog to digital format on CD. I know there are a lot of sound cards out there that basically take in the analog and do a rough 44khz transfer. Can anyone recommend a sound card that seems to be best suited for this task? I seem to recall seeing this setup where you install a patch on the PC so hooking up is a piece of cake. I know that there are quite a few relatively inexpensive CDR recorders but it appears that I already have too much stufff in my playroom. Suggestions on a superb sound card or a firm push into buying a stereo unit? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Oct 12 18:40:36 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:40:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <20061012155435.44406.qmail@web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <19846175.1160631984620.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20061012123901.0158d668@pop.east.cox.net> Thanks for the input! I find it terribly coincidental that you mention a Live! card because that is what I am using now. So, I'm glad that I asked the question about analog to CD transfers to learn that yes, sound cards do in fact make a difference. At 08:54 AM 10/12/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Roland, >I use a Creative Labs Audigy 2ZS with a home made phono preamp and the >results are excellent. The Audigy card provides MUCH better sound quality >than the Live! card I used previously. I would bet the new X-Fi series is >even better. > >As far as the pre-amp...just use the tape out's on your existing system to >feed the line in's on the soundcard. > >For software - I use a program called Audio Cleaning Lab by Magix >Software. It provides a full suite of software based utilities for click >and pop removal, de-essing etc. > >Yes - there are probably better ways to do this out there but this system >is inexpensive and provides excellent sound quality overall. > >Cheers, >Geoff From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Oct 12 19:44:59 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:44:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Grado Reference Platinium Low Output Cartridge+Orotofon Phono Pre-Amp Message-ID: Hi Alex , Thanks for correcting me! the name is Sota and Sato sometimes I am in hurry and dont get time to check my emails for mispelling and missing words! thanks guys for keeping up with me! :) Anyway! I have a Orotfon phono pre-amp which also has CD 4 setting with bypass setting will this work with the low output of the Grado Ref Platinium?! The arm on this Sota Sapphire is a Sumiko all black in color is this arm any good?! I dont which Sumiko Model it is as it does not say the model number atleast not looking from the front of the arm maybe the model number is wrriten at the bottom of the arm from the chassis side but I hate to remove it so as not to mess up anything maybe you guys know where to look for the model number of this Sumiko Arm. Alex you have great audio gear! audio research tube pre-amp should sound nice! in your system with that tube amp you got , and I beleive that audio research put great phono stages in their tube pre-amps. I have two project to work on! One to fix my Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Cassette Deck I am spending more time here which I should be spending fixing the deck!(LOL:) and secondly to build a base for my Technics SP 10Mk2A turntable. I am thinking of a Grantie base which should be rock solid and will look great too!:) Thanks! Ali Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Thu Oct 12 20:15:29 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:15:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: Hi Ive done a lot of tape to CD transfers in the past ... i do prefer listening to the tape only. Itrs more portable, i can carry around in my walkman without much of a prob. But transferring vinyl to CD via a tape is just too long a route ... my personal suggestion would be to use a good preamp, and connect that to the line-in of the soundcard. Yes, 44khz sampling is crap .. so if your soundcard supports 192khz 24bit sampling then thats what i would suggest. And burn it as an AudioDVD instead of a CD. But since you already own a NAK, i think the best thing ever to do is to record to a NAK and enjoy the good analog sound. My personal 2 cents Best Regards Soumi >From: Bob Naylor >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:34:13 -0700 (PDT) >BTW with great results! >Bob > >Bob Naylor wrote: I transfer from cassette to CD all >the time. The sound card in this PC is what came in it when I bought it >new (hp). >Bob > >Roland wrote: My plans are as follows: I want to catalog >and record all my vinyl to tape using my beloved Dragon.. > >I am using a Sony X600 BioTracer turntable with a Shure V15vxmr cartridge. >Lovely combo! > >Okay, then I plan on using the Dragon as the analog source and my PC to >convert the analog to digital format on CD. > >I know there are a lot of sound cards out there that basically take in the >analog and do a rough 44khz transfer. > >Can anyone recommend a sound card that seems to be best suited for this >task? I seem to recall seeing this setup where you install a patch on the >PC so hooking up is a piece of cake. > >I know that there are quite a few relatively inexpensive CDR recorders but >it appears that I already have too much stufff in my playroom. > >Suggestions on a superb sound card or a firm push into buying a stereo >unit? > > _________________________________________________________________ NRIs: Send Money FREE! Go ahead and register now! http://ads.mediaturf.net/event.ng/Type=click&FlightID=20273&AdID=65989&TargetID=11172&Targets=11172&Values=202,414,1093,1264,3122&Redirect=http:%2F%2Fwww.icicinri.net%2Fmoney2india%2F%3Fm2i%3DBAC-MSN%26att%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR%26rfr%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Thu Oct 12 20:25:04 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:25:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <200610121326.k9CDQ5hw006808@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Ron That site is definitely vintage as far as soundcards go :) Many of the newer soundcards with great specs arent even listed Best Soumi >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:56:09 -0400 > >See http://www.pcavtech.com/ for sound card information. > >-- Ron > > _________________________________________________________________ The next best thing! Messenger Video Conversation. Click here! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview2000 From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Oct 12 20:46:35 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:46:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: <17799352.1160678795205.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> ---- noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > But since you already own a NAK, i think the best thing ever to do is to > record to a NAK and enjoy the good analog sound. > > My personal 2 cents hahaha, oh, I had to chuckle a bit here but I think I need to clarify why I would want to go through the trouble. First, I just like playing around and understand all that makes a clock tick Second is that my car doesn't take cassettes. In the home, the cassette deck, my beloved Dragon, is the NUMBER ONE source for all that reigns analog!! From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Oct 12 20:49:46 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:49:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: <21675915.1160678987016.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Soumi, I also prefer Anandtech but I was looking for something more directly related to analog to digital conversion. I recall Kermit Gray giving a lengthy explanation of how to digitally recording without sound like a pump box. Kermit was (still is) awesome. ---- noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Ron > That site is definitely vintage as far as soundcards go :) > Many of the newer soundcards with great specs arent even listed > > Best > Soumi > > >From: Ron > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings > >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:56:09 -0400 > > > >See http://www.pcavtech.com/ for sound card information. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The next best thing! Messenger Video Conversation. Click here! > http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview2000 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 12 22:15:22 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:15:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on where to sell these?? In-Reply-To: References: <20061005200703.49824.qmail@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061005175551.05619b90@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <2E807DBA-FB00-41EF-8A4F-94706120568F@woods-and-waters.com> Hey there, Mikkel! On Oct 5, 2006, at 9:17 PM, Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:09:00 -0400, Ben Torre > wrote: > >> Just last week, I rescued a bunch of 1930s-era >> library-cased 78s... all nearly mint... from the dumpster outside >> the local Cerebral Paulsy Center. Some twit just heaved them into >> the dumpster, so many were broken. Sad part is that they appeared to >> have been unplayed & apart from some mold on the cases, mint >> condition prior to being heaved. I can't imagine what special >> variety of fool would dumpster Stokowski, Ormandy, Toscanini, and >> the like. > > Someone who know someone who has celebral paulsy?\ Actually, yes. Me. Sort of. Until five years ago my neurological condition was misdiagnosed as cerebral palsy because of the motor impairment in the hands and legs. > Playing records manually would be tough for someone with celebral > paulsy. > Well, not excessively. When I was learning professional audio the turntables were manual; I used a pencil to assist handling the tonearms, usually Gray Research, RCA, Microtrak, Westrex or Rek-O-Kut Micropoise models mounted on Russco, Gates, QRK, Westrex, RCA or Fairchild turntables. By the way, at that time the Technics SP-10 was regarded as an "FM" 'table, and I was "AM" at the time. Took a bit of practice to cue a broadcast turntable but it is not insurmountable. For years I owned -- and- played daily -- a pair of QRK turntables with Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearms plus an RCA 70D transcription turntable with an RCA transcription arm. Stanton 500 cartridges on all the above. Today I use my fully-manual Rega Planar III or Yamaha YP-D3 direct drive most often. Their cueing lifts are a great help! On days when I'm feeling under the weather, I use the fully-automatic B&O 4004 linear tracker or my faithful old Dual 1249. Because of the fragility of 78 rpm records, though, I admit I do "chicken out" and use the fully-automatic Dual 1218 I've tweaked up to have lower rumble than the factory models -- not as quiet as a Technics SP-10 but quiet enough for most 78s I encounter. Hey, few 'tables are a quiet as a SP-10, even high-cost audiophile marques! Enjoy the music! -- Kermit Gray From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 12 22:22:17 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:22:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Speaker Foams In-Reply-To: <452631E2.8050100@snet.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061005085832.0082b100@earthlink.net> <452631E2.8050100@snet.net> Message-ID: <3A8CF6A8-57C0-43A1-AF3F-AACC39138017@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Ed, Ali, Check with your local B&O dealer as well. I've bought many parts from my local B&O dealer over the years. Also check http://www.partsexpress.com as well as http:// www.speakerex.com I used to recone speakers for a living but not any longer. No time to do it but i can talk you through the process if you want to try it. By the way, the Redline woofers are Philips units. If you can fine some old ones in good condition you could maybe swap the old ones out. On Oct 6, 2006, at 5:37 AM, Edward Noyes wrote: > Try NewFoam (1-800-NEW-FOAM). Last time I placed an order they were > having some trouble with supply, but they should still be able to > help with a standard item like the B&O. > > Ed > > Hi Tech wrote: >> Ali, >> there are kits here in the USA for do-it-yourself surround >> replacement. >> They are 6",8",10",12" ,15" nominal sizes. I think the RLs are 6" >> woofers? >> Post some measurements and I'll get you the source information. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 05:42 PM 10/4/06 EDT, you wrote: >> >> Hi Kermit and Tom, I too have the redline bang and olufsen >> speakers in >> grey cabinets with the funny floor stands you mentioned , the foam >> surrounds have all rotted, do you know a good source to get the >> replacement >> foam surrounds , B&O are of no help must be some third party >> source. Many >> Thanks! >> >> >> Ali >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 12 22:37:15 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:37:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit custom amps. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65F964E4-9AA3-4B8C-A2A7-B638021E980F@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Ali! On Oct 6, 2006, at 4:23 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Kermit, Any news of those great amps that your were building, > have you completed them ,how do they sound?! Thanks for asking! Well, my original plan was to simply put back into production the amplifiers I manufactured from 1975 to 1984. A friend I suggested that because the market is very different today, that I make breadboard prototypes of my past models and subject them to extensive listening tests before I commit to manufacturing them. Good advice! Most of my designs are made with valves/tubes that are now too scarce to contemplate mass manufacture. Those designs are coming back as limited edition models next year. Many of my designs that were very popular in the 1970s got mixed reviews today. They're going the be offered as DIY kits. Two of my past designs received rave reviews so they're going into full production now. So, in short, I had to create all new designs to meet today's market demands. Fun! Really, I mean it. Also, I have to redesign my upcoming cassette deck's unorthodox recording amplifier because the Western Electric 396A and Raytheon 6L7GT tubes that the design was based on are now hard to find, a nasty surprise. As I write this I'm completing production samples to send to sales agents in Singapore, the UK and Texas in the USA. Expect to see showroom fresh models by the beginning of 2007. More news later! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 12 22:21:14 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:21:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Grado humm and Nak sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061012152114.00824890@earthlink.net> I recall that the Grado does not have one channel's ground tied to the cartridge shield. Is that correct? On Shures the ground was a copper tab. Has anyone tried adding a connection to a Grado? All audio gear and processes add a "sound signature" when they are part of the chain. The real question is: Do you have the system and listening experience to resolve the 'signatures"? I might answer that each nak has its own sound, while you might hear no difference and think me an idiot. Generally Nak sound is characterized by greater accuracy as you spend more money! Each egineering advance improves the sound, but the "starting point" was so good that it is almost a specious argument! tom brucker At 07:58 PM 10/12/06 +1300, you wrote: >>>> Alex - I hope you enjoy listening to your new Grado. Your 'Silver' is practically the same as a 'Gold'; they're a good buy, no doubt about it. I'm not sure what you mean buy being handmade in a wooden case. The Prestige series is not: but the next series up is: I think they're low output moving irons - most unusual. But they, too, are unshielded and so will hum. The funny thing is, before buying my Grado I knew that they hummed on certain tables, but I never saw the Linn mentioned in that connection. But it does on mine! Nice 50Hz hum that gets worse as the arm moves towards the spindle. At least the hum's in tune with the fridge!! Maybe it's because my Linn just uses a standard motor - no Valhalla power supply or anything like that. I've wondered about trying to shield the motor but haven't found a successful way of doing that yet. Someone mentione Mumetal to me, but it's a bit hard to obtain. (An origin You mentioned Ortofons. My other cartridge is an Ortofon Z5-MC. Great performer for the price, but a bit lean - as others have commented. I had hoped that going with my Luxman hybrid amp it might sound warm enough, but not really. I bought the Grado as a foil to the Ortofon. I taped a number of pieces the other day on two Sony Metal XR tapes (the newer European versions) and did some A-B listening. Hard to decide which I prefer. The Ortofon really runs rings around the Grado when it comes to sheer clarity and evenness of tone: it's nicely balanced, very refined. It impresses you straight away as a classy cartridge. But the Grado, which sounds cheaper and a little unrefined by comparison, in some ways is more beautiful to the ears: more solid bass, richer sound from top to bottom. I'm wanting to record my LP collection, but haven't been able to decide yet which cart. to use. At the moment I'm using a DR10, which I think adds its own colouration - warms up the sound ever-so-slightly. I'll be interested to hear what my 1000ZXL does when I record with the Ortofon: with the ZXL's impressive bass and overall warmth, maybe I'll be happier with the Ortofon. In theory, I suppose, a recording machine should not ADD anything - and the better the recorder the more that should be true. But I suspect that each Nak has its own soundprint which will 'colour' a recording made on that machine. CAN ANYONE COMMENT ON THIS? Bernard ---------- From: "Alex Cozac" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "Bernard White" Subject: RE: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:24:55 +0000 P {margin:0px;padding:0px;} body {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hi Bernard, ?lt;br> It's if I recall well from 4 decades earlier...when i was a "Mad" audiophile & a little bit less "OLD"...(Joking!), your Grace arm is made from wood? Yes the Grado cartridges in some combinations deliver "HUM" problems. Today I received as a gift a "SILVER" Grado cartridge...as I love MC's Ortofons..seems me that NEVER i will use it! Are those NOT handmade in a wood case! ?lt;br> Peace, ALEX! ---------- Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 12 22:41:31 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:41:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: <268.38379d3b.325f9b78@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061012154131.00828700@earthlink.net> Ali, I'd love to know your friends! You have a SOTA Sapphire turntable. I wonder what arm you have? I too have a SOTA, with a Lutre arm and AKG moving coil. While the SP 10 is ledgendary, the superior suspension and isolation of the SOTA makes it perform at a significantly higher level. There are about a dozen set up steps when putting this table together to balance and tune the suspension. All Grados are moving magnets, but there were a few lower output cartridges. These will still have more output than a MC cartridge. I suspect it is the best cartridge in your house! tom brucker Now we learn it is a Sumiko. This is a great arm. What super friends you have. Maybe they want to give you some B&W 901s next? At 09:22 AM 10/12/06 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Hi Bernard, Alex and Martin, You guys refreshed my memory! I once brought a Sato Sapphire turntable from an audiophile I still have it he gave me a Grado Reference Patinum Stereo Cartridge which he has marked low Output . Is this cartridge any good! I havent even find time to play the Sato its being sitting for two years without being used. Is this turntable any good ?! is going to sound better than my beloved Technics Sp 10 MK2 turntable when I get about listening to it i.e Sato. The cartridge is mint in orginal box a wood display box the body of the cartridge and stylus protective cover is made of beautiful wood to match the display box. I have to find some time to use the decca this grado to find out whats the sound is like. Alex thanks for sending pics I LIKE YOUR JBL HARTSFIELD SPEAKER! if you decided to sell let me know! I love JBL I have sinle JBL 250 and have heard jbl vintage 15" woofers they great bass also i use to have pair Klipschorn corner horn speakers they were loud! and expensive! and awesome to look at 52 in high! I love sound from horn speakers its very dynamic! and arrive at ears at full impact!!:) Thanks! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Oct 12 22:50:33 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:50:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit custom amps. In-Reply-To: <65F964E4-9AA3-4B8C-A2A7-B638021E980F@woods-and-waters.com> References: <65F964E4-9AA3-4B8C-A2A7-B638021E980F@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:37:15 -0500, Kermit Gray wrote: >On Oct 6, 2006, at 4:23 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > >> Hi Kermit, Any news of those great amps that your were building, >> have you completed them ,how do they sound?! > .. >As I write this I'm completing production samples to send to sales >agents in Singapore, the UK and Texas in the USA. Expect to see >showroom fresh models by the beginning of 2007. More news later! I think that this of yours post would qualify for the Vintage-Tube mailing list. 1975-1984 is vintage enough for me :) -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Oct 12 22:57:06 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:57:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9aouRRp22zdatYYr72pZSuQEo70d@4ax.com> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:53:42 +0000, Alex Cozac wrote: >NO...i don't intend to "Play" as when I was 3 decades younger ...changing 4 times during a month each week another cartridge "HOPPING"...that I will "Discover America Once Again", rarely happens!!!!. >So now...that I'm 63 years old I learn "NO FREE MEALS"...if really want to enjoy my extensive large LP records library (Today circa 12,000 LP records), MUST buy the BEST & EXPENSIVE cartridge that I can afford...as I like very much Ortofons I go forward with the Top of the Line Jubilee one. No the gifted Grado Prestige Silver...NEVER will be use by me! Sorry...also if something happens to the very fragile cartridge leads on my lovely Rega RB-300 arm...it's now at my age an a extremely hard job changing such cartridge clips...so NO MORE...playing changing cartridges...IF...only...IF...the needle/cantilever issue will be damaged///MUST send the whole cartridge to Otofons factory for "Retitping"...but till so...will remain mounted on my lovely Rega arm. Last I heard they swap rather than do a retipping. Of course I was researching the MC2000 round about the time when I found that CR-3E with the busted transport. And Ortofon may treat customers of the Jubilee different. The RB-300 arm is that the stock arm on the Rega Planar 3? I actually bought a connector for the remote socket on the back of my CR-3E but I have forgotten where I stored the Nak. So, maybe my winter will not be taken up by winter projects, but the winter project will be to locate all the units that are failed and all the parts and donor units I found. I swear I will have to keep a strict list of where I put things from now on. And update the list too. -Mikkel From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 12 23:01:07 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:01:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPM In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061008133353.01a2b6a0@gate.net> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061008133353.01a2b6a0@gate.net> Message-ID: <0E74789A-E914-416C-AEB4-5A686FE154FB@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Pat, Wow! You're bringing back some great memories for me! For several years I did archival re-recording, having had the privilege to learn the art from R. L. "Mac" MacDonald, a retired Western Electric engineer, and the legendary Steve Smolian. I miss the work quite a bit and have thought of getting back into it. The cost of bringing my gear back is just too much for me to justify so I'm delighted to see your message. Now I know who to refer work to -- I often receive inquiries if I'm still doing re-recording of 78 rpm records, jobs I've been passing up recently. It's good to see someone who knows you need a good collection of different shapes and sizes of styli. I had a collection of 15 different truncated elliptical styli for the Stanton 500 and I had 7 cartridges mounted with different azimuth alignments to reduce tracing error for different sizes and labels of records. My preamplifier was a Western Electric with twelve EQ curves but after working with "Mac" I learned that continuously variable record EQ was far better, so I built myself a copy of the Cutler-Langevin. Record labels often deviated from their published EQ curves as means of tweaking the record to sound "better" on the phonographs of the day, but these EQ changes usually sound awful with modern playback equipment. The continuously variable Culter-Langevin record EQ allows undoing the altered EQ and provides far more natural playback. I'm sure you recall that the 78.26 rpm speed is based on an AC synchronous motor connected to a 60 Hz AC mains; the standard was adopted by consensus in 1947 in the last brief years of the 78 rpm disc format. I've been told that production of 78 rpm discs continued into the late 1970s in India but by the mid-1950s the format was extinct in the USA. Prior to 1947, disc speed varies from a low of approximately 72 rpm for Berliner discs to as fast as 100 rpm for some Pathe discs. most "78 rpm" discs run between 75 and 85 rpm, so variable speed is a must, something the SP-10 does well. Acoustically-recorded and electrically recorded discs from lesser- quality labels often have a narrow range of frequencies called "wolf tones" that "howl" -- their volume surging abruptly and unnaturally. When I was asked to make a cassette copy I preferred by Nakamichi 500 because its record limiter is one of the best ever put into a cassette deck (as is the limiter in the 550, 700 and 1000); the limiter tames these "wolf tones" perfectly. Otherwise, I used a Westrex compressor or a dbx 117, depending on the disc. Enjoy the music! On Oct 8, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Pat Appleson wrote: > Regarding the 78RPM thread: > > I have a complete transfer chain for Phonograph records and > Transcriptions. If you really need the service, I'm quite reasonable. > I run dual Matsushita/Panasonic/Technics Model SP-10 MkII's. These > are the three speed jobs for Broadcast use. I'm the original > owner. We purchased them around 1978 with the original volcanic > glass base. They weight about fifty lbs. without the turntable. > These are direct drive under digtal control (no Z80's) just lots of > IC's. They start in 1/8 turn and spin at EXACTLY 78.26 rpm. > > I've got Gray Research/Micro Trak tone arms on one with various > Stanton carts. On the other, again, I'm the original owner of a > Shure/SME Ltd MODEL SME-3009 SERIES II TRANSCRIPTION ARM with > various Stanton & Ortofon moving coil carts. All of these have > various Stanton "needles" for 78.26 RPM records. For you hard core > geeks, I've even got General Electric VR-II mono variable > reluctance magetic pickups for mono records. Just get out the Paul > Revere & the Radiers and Tony Bennett stuff from Colombia and it's > Back to the Future. > > For my preamp chain I can choose from McIntosh C-20 preamp with all > the goofy roll-offs. AudioMetrics/Radio Systems, Inc. > RIAA phono pre or Pacific Recorders & Engineering Turntable preamps. > > The above gets the job done and onto CD/DVD for safe keeping. > > BTW, most of the TT's mentioned on this list rumble like crazy. > The SP10mk-II does not. The UN Weighted rumble is below 70 db. We > didn't believe it either. It took about 20 seconds to convince us > in a demo. Then we just laid our money down. It was around $3000 > for the TT and Base in 1978. The good news is, I've never needed > to buy another one. Kinda like the Nak MR2. I know with a little TLC > that I'll never need to purchase the cheezey Teac's. I'll either > retire or croak first. He's the latest newspaper story about us > http://www.appleson.com/HDR1.htm Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 12 23:05:57 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:05:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPM In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061010041605.02caceb0@ix.netcom.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061010041605.02caceb0@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <736A37ED-7932-4D3A-821B-691EFBEF27F2@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Ben! On Oct 10, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Ben Torre wrote: > At 11:12 AM 10/9/06, you wrote: >> My Daddy also own such General Electric mono Moving iron with the >> RED plastic knob to press down & turnover the needles...one for >> 33/33 & 45 & the other for 78 RPM, if I recall well (I was 9 years >> old at that time...!) > > That cartridge was the General Electric VR-II (VR = Variable > Reluctance) > > I still have two of them. Wow! I still have one of mine as well. Did you know that GE once made a special preamplifier for their VR series cartridges? I had one. It made the cartridge sound rich and smooth yet detailed. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Oct 12 23:06:29 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:06:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: <268.38379d3b.325f9b78@aol.com> References: <268.38379d3b.325f9b78@aol.com> Message-ID: <4awuRfv2r=l8EeMj3VosCXEhsOeP@4ax.com> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:22:00 EDT, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: >Hi Bernard, Alex and Martin, You guys refreshed my memory! I once brought a >Sato Sapphire turntable from an audiophile I still have it he gave me a Grado >Reference Patinum Stereo Cartridge which he has marked low Output . Is this >cartridge any good! I do not know the Sato TT, bu the Reference Platinum cartridge is a low mass moving coil cartridge. This would help explain the low output. Wether it is so low as to warrant a step-up transformer I cannot tell. But the Platinum and Sonaca cartidriges were introduced by Grado at $300 and $500 respectively, using the same design, and while it is the cheap of the two I expect you should have a lot of fun with it. >I havent even find time to play the Sato its being sitting >for two years without being used. Is this turntable any good ?! You should probably ask, does it have a light arm, as you shave a moving coil cartridge. If you're not going to try the Sato with the Grado Platinum you could try a cartridge you do know the sound and detail from and use that to tell wether the Sato is any good for you. No doubt if you find it is not good enough for you, someone else will be happy to have it, nothing electric wrapped up in a box does anyone any good without being used. Unless of course it is total crap and is better off not being used. ;) But beware that the cartridge and TT should complement eachother and you should not make hasty judgment on its merits nor if you want to keep it. Perhaps it is a good thing to barter with later on. It is not if you just let it go the year before for next to nothing. -Mikkel From bernardsda at hotmail.com Thu Oct 12 23:06:36 2006 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:06:36 +1300 Subject: [naktalk]Grado humm and Nak sound In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061012152114.00824890@earthlink.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Oct 12 23:09:17 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:09:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <19846175.1160631984620.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> References: <19846175.1160631984620.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 1:46:24 -0400, Roland wrote: >My plans are as follows: I want to catalog and record all my vinyl to tape using my beloved Dragon.. I had a plan almost like that once. I did not have a Dragon in my plan. I did not have enough to or tapes for the project. You see, the vinyl was at the library with a max of 5 albums at a time for 2 weeks max ;) -Mikkel, hence the desire to make a copy. From bg56322 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 12 23:12:15 2006 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: <20061012211215.7242.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> I have been using various audio cards as well as stand alone professional CD-R and from experience can say - CD recorder is the way to transcribe analog tapes. First of all, excellent quality audio cards are not cheap (Lynx, RME). "Will do" audio cards range in price from $50 upward. I have been using M-Audio Audiophile 9624 and was not happy with it. It was good for digital output from PC, but not good enough for recording. Generally, PCI cards suffer from adverse environment within PC. If one must use audio card, external audio card is way to go. I use ESI Waveterminal, recording quality is very good in 44.1/16 but it can not record high res. Sadly, this card is out of production. When you use the PC, once recording is made, there is painstaking process to splice continuous wav into tracks, to fix errors etc. It means that for one hour of music it is needed to spend 1 hour for transcription and additional time for editing. Yuck. It becomes a chore. With recorders, you simply listen to the music and recorder does the rest. It is possible to set up treshold level and recorder will split the tracks if there is a silence between tracks. It works well most of the time. I am using HHB 830 recorder and can not praise it enough. It is CD recorder, CD transport with digital out, CD player (analog out) D/A and A/D converter and source switcher, all this for $300 or so. The sound quality is outstanding. HHB captures the NAK audio signature and it is possible to compare variuos Naks that way. If money is no object, there is awesome Tascam DV-RA master recorder for $900. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 23:24:29 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:24:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <20061012211215.7242.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061012211215.7242.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10610121424j235131ebg8478fa88781c7f10@mail.gmail.com> If we're going down the money no object path, let's not forget the Alesis Masterlink 9600. On 10/12/06, Bob Petrovich wrote: > > > I have been using various audio cards as well as stand alone professional > CD-R and from experience can say - CD recorder is the way to transcribe > analog tapes. > > > First of all, excellent quality audio cards are not cheap (Lynx, RME). "Will > do" audio cards range in price from $50 upward. I have been using M-Audio > Audiophile 9624 > and was not happy with it. It was good for digital output from PC, but not > good enough for recording. Generally, PCI cards suffer from adverse > environment within PC. > > If one must use audio card, external audio card is way to go. I use ESI > Waveterminal, recording quality is very good in 44.1/16 but it can not > record high res. Sadly, this card is out of production. > > When you use the PC, once recording is made, there is painstaking process to > splice continuous wav into tracks, to fix errors etc. It means that for one > hour of music it is needed to spend 1 hour for transcription and additional > time for editing. Yuck. It becomes a chore. > > With recorders, you simply listen to the music and recorder does the rest. > It is possible to set up treshold level and recorder will split the tracks > if there is a silence between tracks. It works well most of the time. > > I am using HHB 830 recorder and can not praise it enough. It is CD recorder, > CD transport with digital out, CD player (analog out) D/A and A/D > converter and source switcher, all this for $300 or so. > > The sound quality is outstanding. HHB captures the NAK audio signature and > it is possible to compare variuos Naks that way. > > If money is no object, there is awesome Tascam DV-RA master recorder for > $900. > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Oct 13 00:09:00 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:09:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bernard! On Oct 12, 2006, at 1:58 AM, Bernard White wrote: > In theory, I suppose, a recording machine should not ADD anything - > and the better the recorder the more that should be true. But I > suspect that each Nak has its own soundprint which will 'colour' a > recording made on that machine. CAN ANYONE COMMENT ON THIS? Here's something to consider. Submitted for your approval, a radical hypothesis seeking to explain listener preferences for one recorder over another, or analog to digital, digital to analog, valve to solid state electronics, solid state to valve electronics and so on. In other words, why can't we as the body of audio enthusiasts reach a consensus as to what is the one best recorder, amplifier or whatever? Why is it that some equipment with excellent specs sounds awful while other equipment with mediocre specs sounds wonderful? Why is it that my favorite-sounding Nakamichi models are the 500, 550, 600/600-II, 700 series, 1000 series and 680ZX while others prefer the Dragon or the CR-7? I've just finished the preliminary analysis of some research I've been conducting for years into listener preferences. I emphasize that the following hypothesis is quite preliminary, but the evidence I've gathered does seem to support the hypothesis. First, some background. Did you know the human ear itself creates distortion and that this distortion can be measured with a fair degree of certainty? It's true. Non-linearity inherent to the mechanical nature of the human ear causes audible distortion not present in the original sound. This distortion is generated within the ear by inter-modulation of a spectral complex, itself containing possible masked components. A fancy way of saying that two or more tones create distortion by a principle analogous to the mechanism of intermodulation distortion in loudspeakers. Now here's the interesting bit: we all vary as to how much distortion our ear produces at a given frequency at a given SPL. Some of us produce more even-order nonlinearities and some of us produce more odd-order nonlinearities; the "mix" (or ratio) of even-order nonlinearities to odd-order nonlinearities varies by frequency and by SPL. This creates what I refer to as an Inherent Distortion Profile. To cut through quite a few hard drives-full of very technical information, in short, we tend to prefer audio equipment that creates distortion resembling that of our individual Inherent Distortion Profile. If you had a full analysis of your ear's Inherent Distortion Profile and a piece of equipment's distortion plotted versus frequency and versus level, then you could predict what equipment you'd prefer with some certainty. Which Nakamichi is "best," or which cartridge is "best"? The one that, in combination with your other equipment, most closely matches the inherent nonlinearities of your own ears! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Oct 13 00:12:03 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:12:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit custom amps. In-Reply-To: References: <65F964E4-9AA3-4B8C-A2A7-B638021E980F@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <550BC82F-DDAE-4E7B-BA02-8630B2DF7FD2@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mikkel, On Oct 12, 2006, at 3:50 PM, Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:37:15 -0500, Kermit Gray waters.com> wrote: > >> On Oct 6, 2006, at 4:23 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: >> >>> Hi Kermit, Any news of those great amps that your were building, >>> have you completed them ,how do they sound?! >> > .. > >> As I write this I'm completing production samples to send to sales >> agents in Singapore, the UK and Texas in the USA. Expect to see >> showroom fresh models by the beginning of 2007. More news later! > > I think that this of yours post would qualify for the Vintage-Tube > mailing list. > 1975-1984 is vintage enough for me :) You're making me feel old! Good point! I do not see well; sometimes I miss what group a message is headed to, instead replying to what's asked or said, assuming that to be on-topic enough. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Oct 13 00:14:01 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:14:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <518b7b10610121424j235131ebg8478fa88781c7f10@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061012211215.7242.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> <518b7b10610121424j235131ebg8478fa88781c7f10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <56082DB3-D251-4BBD-9C6F-583003BF67FC@woods-and-waters.com> Hi George! On Oct 12, 2006, at 4:24 PM, george valkov wrote: > If we're going down the money no object path, let's not forget the > Alesis Masterlink 9600. Absolutely! An excellent companion to a Nakamichi analog recorder. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Oct 13 00:24:33 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:24:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <518b7b10610121424j235131ebg8478fa88781c7f10@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061012211215.7242.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> <518b7b10610121424j235131ebg8478fa88781c7f10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CADA91F-6B0C-4F57-89F5-8850D29619C7@woods-and-waters.com> Hi George! On Oct 12, 2006, at 4:24 PM, george valkov wrote: > If we're going down the money no object path, let's not forget the > Alesis Masterlink 9600. Absolutely! An excellent companion to a Nakamichi analog recorder. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From appleson at gate.net Fri Oct 13 00:27:21 2006 From: appleson at gate.net (Pat Appleson) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:27:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TO: Kermit Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061012181348.01b6cc88@gate.net> Hey, Kermit the hermit. I guess it's the mutual admiration society at work. I read your post about building retro amps. And I thought, now this guy is cool!!!!! Then a few lines down, I see your reply to my post of a few days ago. Cool again. If you haven't already seen this, take a look http://www.audioheritage.org/ It's 2300 pages of JBL stuff. Most of it from a guy I haven't seen in over 25 years, John Eargle. I've got a pair of JBL 4343's and always loved them. In the studio I use Tannoy's because we do so much spoken word. The time aligning is perfect. But when you wanna get blown over, it's out to studio A with the JBL's biamped. I remember sitting on the bus going from the Hotel Zurich to the convention center with Eargle. I learned more in twenty minutes that in four years of college. That was at the AES European convention back in 1976. Man, the guy is out there. So, he sends all his notes and archives to the guys running this web site. I went thru every inch, it took me three days on and off. What great stories about Jim Lansing and JBL's history. Let me know what you think. And where can we see these amplifiers? do you have a web site?? Best Regards Pt Patrick G. Appleson, Pres. Pat Appleson Studios, Inc. 2359 Highway 70, SE Suite 102 Hickory, NC 28602 828 465-5500 or 954 587-7900 www.appleson.com email: appleson at gate.net From btorre at ix.netcom.com Fri Oct 13 01:41:05 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:41:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPM In-Reply-To: <736A37ED-7932-4D3A-821B-691EFBEF27F2@woods-and-waters.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061010041605.02caceb0@ix.netcom.com> <736A37ED-7932-4D3A-821B-691EFBEF27F2@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061012191302.02f31eb0@ix.netcom.com> At 05:05 PM 10/12/06, you wrote: >>I still have two of them. > >Wow! I still have one of mine as well. Did you know that GE once >made a special preamplifier for their VR series cartridges? I had one. It >made the cartridge sound rich and smooth yet detailed. I still have some old cartridges around that I just can't bear to toss out. One is an Empire 108 and of course the VR-IIs (one with a silver snoot/light grey body, one with a silver snoot/red body and one with a gold snoot/dark grey body... the gold one I still have the box for.) Also have a couple of Pickering V-15s as well. (no, not a Shure V-15... a Pickering V-15. Looks like a white bullet that was squared off. Stanton's model 380 "Stereofluxvalve" was the same thing, only in a gold case.) The GE VR was always a favorite. And yes, with the right preamp it makes those old mono Columbia discs come to life! Was that GE preamp a little open-chassis affair that used a 9-pin miniature tube? I probably still have one laying around. I think it was meant to be installed inside the bigger turntables/console units of the day that were converted from the high-output ceramic carts. . Different styli... yes, they are a must for the best possible transfer, but for dumpster rescues and flea market funds I do pretty well with the 681 and the Stanton 78 stylus, or the V-15 and the Pickering 78 stylus.... or even the VR-II. I have a Lampton-Zuchaucus homebrewed phono preamp with an RIAA EQ bypass button rigged up. I usually transfer to a PC and them play with EQ curves in the digital arena. My heavily-modified Empire 208 with the SME series III arm and the vari-freq inverter does really nicely, but I'll be the first to admit it is *not* an SP-10. My main concern is getting to hear music that would otherwise be lost to the trash bin. Listening to some of those old recordings, despite the obvious technical limitations, has shown me how many really great musicians have been forgotten over time. For really freaky stuff, I call up my friend Art Schifrin. He does the Edison and Pathe cylinders, the acoustic 78s, and even rigged up an Ampex 440 with special spindles and a special guide arrangement for retrieving old wire recordings. "Shiffy", as we all know him, is amazing. Yes, he has a mess of different styli as well. I'll never be fool enough to say I'm even nearly as good as Shiffy, Kermit, or Pat in that department! Thank heavens that there are still some people who care about the old music. My head still hurts from seeing all those beautiful 78s smashed in that dumpster. Sickening. Ben From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Oct 13 06:05:04 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:05:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Grado Reference Platinium Low Output Cartridge+Orotofon Phono Pre-Amp Message-ID: My dear Ali , To make for me much easier...take your time & make me a few "BIGGER" that when you sent me your Decca cartridge photos, of the Sumiko arm, as I ALSO, own a Sumiko MMT arm!. So after that i will saw your arm I will able to say you which model you have...is a good Japanese made arm; to my knowledge Sumiko market only 3 type of arms...today seems me that they close the business...pity! Peace ,ALEX! From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:44:59 -0400To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Grado Reference Platinium Low Output Cartridge+Orotofon Phono Pre-Amp Hi Alex , Thanks for correcting me! the name is Sota and Sato sometimes I am in hurry and dont get time to check my emails for mispelling and missing words! thanks guys for keeping up with me! :) Anyway! I have a Orotfon phono pre-amp which also has CD 4 setting with bypass setting will this work with the low output of the Grado Ref Platinium?! The arm on this Sota Sapphire is a Sumiko all black in color is this arm any good?! I dont which Sumiko Model it is as it does not say the model number atleast not looking from the front of the arm maybe the model number is wrriten at the bottom of the arm from the chassis side but I hate to remove it so as not to mess up anything maybe you guys know where to look for the model number of this Sumiko Arm. Alex you have great audio gear! audio research tube pre-amp should sound nice! in your system with that tube amp you got , and I beleive that audio research put great phono stages in their tube pre-amps. I have two project to work on! One to fix my Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Cassette Deck I am spending more time here which I should be spending fixing the deck!(LOL:) and secondly to build a base for my Technics SP 10Mk2A turntable. I am thinking of a Grantie base which should be rock solid and will look great too!:) Thanks! 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Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Fri Oct 13 11:36:08 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:36:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1244721198.20061013113608@kharkov.ua> Hi Soumi, nhc> Yes, 44khz sampling is crap .. so if your soundcard supports 192khz 24bit nhc> sampling then thats what i would suggest. And burn it as an AudioDVD instead nhc> of a CD. Good advice. The sound quality of AudioDVD on a cheap DVD player will be noticeably higher than 44khz sampling and using an inexpensive CD player. Although it is possible to achieve good results and decent sound with 44khz sampling as well. I used M-Audio Audiophile USB card to digitize the analog source and EAC (http://www.exactaudiocopy.com/) as the burner (NERO is no good for Nakers). The secret how to make your CD recording sound comparable (not matching unfortunately) to the analog source is simple - it takes to use top quality CD transport (TEAC VRDS, WADIA VRDS, Sony fixed pickup), top quality DAC and high quality interconnects. And the cost of such setup would be from $3K up. nhc> But since you already own a NAK, i think the best thing ever to do is to nhc> record to a NAK and enjoy the good analog sound. Absolutely! Regards, Sergei From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Fri Oct 13 11:55:18 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:55:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <20061012211215.7242.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061012211215.7242.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <225870771.20061013115518@kharkov.ua> Hello Bob, BP> First of all, excellent quality audio cards are not cheap BP> (Lynx, RME). "Will do" audio cards range in price from $50 upward. BP> I have been using M-Audio Audiophile 9624 BP> and was not happy with it. It was good for digital output BP> from PC, but not good enough for recording. My personal experience with M-Audio Audiophile 9624 USB (external card) is vice versa. I wonder what was wrong with your recording? I found that this card has more or less decent analog-to-digital converter whereas its DAC seems to be quite mediocre. I came to this conclusion when I compare how my WAV files play back on card's analog outputs with same WAV's burned onto CD. SPDIF digital output is slightly better but way down from the CD. regards, Sergei From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 13 15:42:14 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <225870771.20061013115518@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <20061013134214.97265.qmail@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sergei, My recordings sound great with the sound card that came with the PC. Maybr I can improve that with something better soon. Bob Sergei Vorontsov wrote: Hello Bob, BP> First of all, excellent quality audio cards are not cheap BP> (Lynx, RME). "Will do" audio cards range in price from $50 upward. BP> I have been using M-Audio Audiophile 9624 BP> and was not happy with it. It was good for digital output BP> from PC, but not good enough for recording. My personal experience with M-Audio Audiophile 9624 USB (external card) is vice versa. I wonder what was wrong with your recording? I found that this card has more or less decent analog-to-digital converter whereas its DAC seems to be quite mediocre. I came to this conclusion when I compare how my WAV files play back on card's analog outputs with same WAV's burned onto CD. SPDIF digital output is slightly better but way down from the CD. regards, Sergei ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Fri Oct 13 16:39:14 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:39:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: slightly off topic analog to CD recordings References: <20061013134214.97265.qmail@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0dfb01c6eed5$5b7d7070$9e274446@a72400shuttle> As an alternative to using a sound card, I plug my Edirol R-09 concert recorder directly into the tape deck, record to SD memory card, and then transfer to my hard drive via USB connection. This eliminates the need for an expensive soundcard and also eliminates any noise that may be picked up from the computer box itself. I wouldn't recommend going out and paying $300+ for the recorder just to transfer things but if you are also into taping shows, then transferring tapes is a nice side benefit to having one of these recorders. http://www.edirol.net/products/en/R-09/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Naylor To: Sergei Vorontsov ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Sergei, My recordings sound great with the sound card that came with the PC. Maybr I can improve that with something better soon. Bob Sergei Vorontsov wrote: Hello Bob, BP> First of all, excellent quality audio cards are not cheap BP> (Lynx, RME). "Will do" audio cards range in price from $50 upward. BP> I have been using M-Audio Audiophile 9624 BP> and was not happy with it. It was good for digital output BP> from PC, but not good enough for recording. My personal experience with M-Audio Audiophile 9624 USB (external card) is vice versa. I wonder what was wrong with your recording? I found that this card has more or less decent analog-to-digital converter whereas its DAC seems to be quite mediocre. I came to this conclusion when I compare how my WAV files play back on card's analog outputs with same WAV's burned onto CD. 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Won't such equipment simply double the distortion we perceive (it will add its own distortion to whatever distortion our hearing mechanism normally engenders)? Our sense of vision provides an interesting analogy: in physical reality, the human eye inverts everything we see. (However, from a very early age, out brain inverts the physical image it receives so as to provide a perception that matches the physical reality.) Does the argument that we prefer to view inverted photographs (since they better match what our eyes see) make any sense? Guess not! The truth of the matter is that whatever distortion our ears produce is immaterial to the equipment we prefer. It's simply why the same sound may be perceived differently by different people. People's preferences of audio equipment come in roughly (very roughly) two flavours. Some people (I'll call them 'sujectivists') prefer equipment that sounds good to them, regardless of similarity or lack thereof to the original sound. Other people (I'll call them 'objectivists') prefer equipment that sounds accurate; that is, as close as possible to the original sound. These two groups of people will always disagree -- their goals are not just different, but actually opposed. -- Ron Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Bernard! > > On Oct 12, 2006, at 1:58 AM, Bernard White wrote: > >> In theory, I suppose, a recording machine should not ADD anything - >> and the better the recorder the more that should be true. But I >> suspect that each Nak has its own soundprint which will 'colour' a >> recording made on that machine. CAN ANYONE COMMENT ON THIS? >> > > Here's something to consider. Submitted for your approval, a radical > hypothesis seeking to explain listener preferences for one recorder over > another, or analog to digital, digital to analog, valve to solid state > electronics, solid state to valve electronics and so on. In other > words, why can't we as the body of audio enthusiasts reach a consensus > as to what is the one best recorder, amplifier or whatever? Why is it > that some equipment with excellent specs sounds awful while > other equipment with mediocre specs sounds wonderful? Why is it that my > favorite-sounding Nakamichi models are the 500, 550, 600/600-II, > 700 series, 1000 series and 680ZX while others prefer the Dragon or the > CR-7? > > I've just finished the preliminary analysis of some research I've been > conducting for years into listener preferences. I emphasize that the > following hypothesis is quite preliminary, but the evidence I've > gathered does seem to support the hypothesis. First, some background. > Did you know the human ear itself creates distortion and that this > distortion can be measured with a fair degree of certainty? It's > true. Non-linearity inherent to the mechanical nature of the human ear > causes audible distortion not present in the original sound. This > distortion is generated within the ear by inter-modulation of a spectral > complex, itself containing possible masked components. A fancy way of > saying that two or more tones create distortion by a principle analogous > to the mechanism of intermodulation distortion in loudspeakers. > > Now here's the interesting bit: we all vary as to how much distortion > our ear produces at a given frequency at a given SPL. Some of us produce > more even-order nonlinearities and some of us produce more odd-order > nonlinearities; the "mix" (or ratio) of even-order nonlinearities to > odd-order nonlinearities varies by frequency and by SPL. This creates > what I refer to as an Inherent Distortion Profile. > > To cut through quite a few hard drives-full of very technical > information, in short, we tend to prefer audio equipment that creates > distortion resembling that of our individual Inherent Distortion > Profile. If you had a full analysis of your ear's Inherent Distortion > Profile and a piece of equipment's distortion plotted versus frequency > and versus level, then you could predict what equipment you'd prefer > with some certainty. > > Which Nakamichi is "best," or which cartridge is "best"? The one that, > in combination with your other equipment, most closely matches the > inherent nonlinearities of your own ears! > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 13 17:31:38 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:31:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] remove me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <452FB15A.1060604@rcn.com> Sathyan Thambirajah wrote: > please remove me from your mailing list > None of the email list members can remove you from the list. See http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk to do it yourself. Good luck, -- Ron From btorre at ix.netcom.com Fri Oct 13 17:46:40 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:46:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TO: Kermit In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061012181348.01b6cc88@gate.net> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061012181348.01b6cc88@gate.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061013114234.03150a20@ix.netcom.com> At 06:27 PM 10/12/06, you wrote: >I've got a pair of JBL 4343's and always loved them. Many MANY moons ago, I heard a Nak 1000 played through a set of 4343s at the AES show. Amazing. Also heard a very early digital audio demo (it was around 1976) by Mitsubishi that used the 12" laser disc, a big Technics amp, and 4343 speakers... and that was all the gear in the room! To this day, I have never heard a digital audio demo as good as that. I have always been a fan of the 4350, but a lot of people disagree with me on that choice. From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 13 17:56:22 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: <452FAFA1.3060300@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20061013155622.36847.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's a perfect description Ron. Example, my son who's in his early 20's likes strong bass and I prefer natural bass like my Bose speakers deliver. He and I will never agree on what sounds the best. Bob Ron wrote: Very interesting treatise. I would have loved to read the 'quite a few hard drives-full of very technical information'. Some of it, probably very true; some of it, probably not. The question: why does some equipment sound good while some doesn't? The postulate: our ears introduce distortion and we 'prefer audio equipment that creates distortion resembling that of our individual Inherent Distortion Profile'. Does this make any sense whatsoever? Won't such equipment simply double the distortion we perceive (it will add its own distortion to whatever distortion our hearing mechanism normally engenders)? Our sense of vision provides an interesting analogy: in physical reality, the human eye inverts everything we see. (However, from a very early age, out brain inverts the physical image it receives so as to provide a perception that matches the physical reality.) Does the argument that we prefer to view inverted photographs (since they better match what our eyes see) make any sense? Guess not! The truth of the matter is that whatever distortion our ears produce is immaterial to the equipment we prefer. It's simply why the same sound may be perceived differently by different people. People's preferences of audio equipment come in roughly (very roughly) two flavours. Some people (I'll call them 'sujectivists') prefer equipment that sounds good to them, regardless of similarity or lack thereof to the original sound. Other people (I'll call them 'objectivists') prefer equipment that sounds accurate; that is, as close as possible to the original sound. These two groups of people will always disagree -- their goals are not just different, but actually opposed. -- Ron Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Bernard! > > On Oct 12, 2006, at 1:58 AM, Bernard White wrote: > >> In theory, I suppose, a recording machine should not ADD anything - >> and the better the recorder the more that should be true. But I >> suspect that each Nak has its own soundprint which will 'colour' a >> recording made on that machine. CAN ANYONE COMMENT ON THIS? >> > > Here's something to consider. Submitted for your approval, a radical > hypothesis seeking to explain listener preferences for one recorder over > another, or analog to digital, digital to analog, valve to solid state > electronics, solid state to valve electronics and so on. In other > words, why can't we as the body of audio enthusiasts reach a consensus > as to what is the one best recorder, amplifier or whatever? Why is it > that some equipment with excellent specs sounds awful while > other equipment with mediocre specs sounds wonderful? Why is it that my > favorite-sounding Nakamichi models are the 500, 550, 600/600-II, > 700 series, 1000 series and 680ZX while others prefer the Dragon or the > CR-7? > > I've just finished the preliminary analysis of some research I've been > conducting for years into listener preferences. I emphasize that the > following hypothesis is quite preliminary, but the evidence I've > gathered does seem to support the hypothesis. First, some background. > Did you know the human ear itself creates distortion and that this > distortion can be measured with a fair degree of certainty? It's > true. Non-linearity inherent to the mechanical nature of the human ear > causes audible distortion not present in the original sound. This > distortion is generated within the ear by inter-modulation of a spectral > complex, itself containing possible masked components. A fancy way of > saying that two or more tones create distortion by a principle analogous > to the mechanism of intermodulation distortion in loudspeakers. > > Now here's the interesting bit: we all vary as to how much distortion > our ear produces at a given frequency at a given SPL. Some of us produce > more even-order nonlinearities and some of us produce more odd-order > nonlinearities; the "mix" (or ratio) of even-order nonlinearities to > odd-order nonlinearities varies by frequency and by SPL. This creates > what I refer to as an Inherent Distortion Profile. > > To cut through quite a few hard drives-full of very technical > information, in short, we tend to prefer audio equipment that creates > distortion resembling that of our individual Inherent Distortion > Profile. If you had a full analysis of your ear's Inherent Distortion > Profile and a piece of equipment's distortion plotted versus frequency > and versus level, then you could predict what equipment you'd prefer > with some certainty. > > Which Nakamichi is "best," or which cartridge is "best"? The one that, > in combination with your other equipment, most closely matches the > inherent nonlinearities of your own ears! > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Fri Oct 13 18:14:20 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:14:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <200610131000.k9DA03Bf020238@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Sergei Personally i think the entire aspect of digitisation/sampling is flawed as far as music reproduction is concerned. Most people argue that a CD sounds very good no matter what player etc .. which may just be true cosmetically .... but they only get to hear what their hardware is making them hear ... which may be far from the original sound. Ive been a fan of analog sound right thru ... even tho i had to buy CDs of music what werent many times available on tape. But here in india, we are still lucky to get tapes so thats a plus :) I use a Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum for transferring digital content to analog .. yep ... crazy eh ? :) Im still trying to setup a good preamp for this ... lets hope we can get hold of kermit's tube amps. Best Soumi >From: Sergei Vorontsov >Reply-To: Sergei Vorontsov ,Talk about Nakamichi >Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re[2]: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:36:08 +0200 >Hi Soumi, > >nhc> Yes, 44khz sampling is crap .. so if your soundcard supports 192khz >24bit >nhc> sampling then thats what i would suggest. And burn it as an AudioDVD >instead >nhc> of a CD. >Good advice. The sound quality of AudioDVD on a cheap DVD player will >be noticeably higher than 44khz sampling and using an inexpensive CD >player. > >Although it is possible to achieve good results and decent sound >with 44khz sampling as well. >I used M-Audio Audiophile USB card to digitize the analog source >and EAC (http://www.exactaudiocopy.com/) as the burner (NERO is >no good for Nakers). > >The secret how to make your CD recording sound comparable (not >matching unfortunately) to the analog source is simple - >it takes to use top quality CD transport (TEAC VRDS, WADIA VRDS, >Sony fixed pickup), top quality DAC and high quality interconnects. >And the cost of such setup would be from $3K up. > >nhc> But since you already own a NAK, i think the best thing ever to do is >to >nhc> record to a NAK and enjoy the good analog sound. >Absolutely! > >Regards, >Sergei > > > _________________________________________________________________ Tried the new MSN Messenger? It�s cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Fri Oct 13 18:25:04 2006 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:25:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Modding to half speed Message-ID: <200610131625.k9DGPAte026022@zxe.naks.com> Tom, Repairing the 680 will be my next project. I will get the unit next week. Apparently the heads immediately engage when it is powered up and then get stuck. I will look into that. For now I just had the idea of tinkering a 480 (those abound) to get a half speed play back unit only. My pdf tech manual is a little unclear and I don't have an electronics background. For play back only I would think the mod might be easy enough to work out. But I don't have the correct view on all the parts involved with the motor speed governance. For example, I can't find the pitch control unit, nor the speed adjust print in the manual. I do find the speed adjust in the block diagrams, but not the lay out of the small pcb at the back of the transport. I hoped you could clarify things a bit. Just for the fun of it. Henk Schenk From: Hi Tech Subject: Re: [naktalk] Half speed Mod ? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061011171907.0082c100 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In my opinion, repairing the 680 is much simpler than what you propose. Half speed demands dual capstans and 3 heads, at the very least. Why not list the 680's problems with the same clarity in your post? tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Oct 13 18:35:09 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:35:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: References: <200610131000.k9DA03Bf020238@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110610130935p56729d4cm33f5f4ec7aa78083@mail.gmail.com> I'm inclined to agree. While digitization has significant promise, the reality has yet to live up to the hype. The sampling frequencies in use at this time just aren't wide enough to give the necessary clarity and flavor to higher frequencies, making the benefits like low noise and infinite reproducibility just not worth the aliasing and other audio garbage that comes with it. The HDCD format gives me hope, and what I've heard so far is amazing (check out Keith Johnson's referencerecordings.com), but I'm taking a wait and see attitude with regard to its adoption as a standard and subsequent accessibility. Since it's a proprietary process and details are still sketchy, I don't know exactly what has been improved upon compared to the atrocious CD format we're stuck with at present. -Tim On 10/13/06, noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > > Hi Sergei > Personally i think the entire aspect of digitisation/sampling is flawed as > far as music reproduction is concerned. Most people argue that a CD sounds > very good no matter what player etc .. which may just be true cosmetically > .... but they only get to hear what their hardware is making them hear ... > which may be far from the original sound. > Ive been a fan of analog sound right thru ... even tho i had to buy CDs of > music what werent many times available on tape. > But here in india, we are still lucky to get tapes so thats a plus :) > > I use a Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum for transferring digital content to > analog .. yep ... crazy eh ? :) > Im still trying to setup a good preamp for this ... lets hope we can get > hold of kermit's tube amps. > > Best > Soumi > > >From: Sergei Vorontsov > >Reply-To: Sergei Vorontsov ,Talk about Nakamichi > >Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re[2]: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings > >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:36:08 +0200 > >Hi Soumi, > > > >nhc> Yes, 44khz sampling is crap .. so if your soundcard supports 192khz > >24bit > >nhc> sampling then thats what i would suggest. And burn it as an AudioDVD > >instead > >nhc> of a CD. > >Good advice. The sound quality of AudioDVD on a cheap DVD player will > >be noticeably higher than 44khz sampling and using an inexpensive CD > >player. > > > >Although it is possible to achieve good results and decent sound > >with 44khz sampling as well. > >I used M-Audio Audiophile USB card to digitize the analog source > >and EAC (http://www.exactaudiocopy.com/) as the burner (NERO is > >no good for Nakers). > > > >The secret how to make your CD recording sound comparable (not > >matching unfortunately) to the analog source is simple - > >it takes to use top quality CD transport (TEAC VRDS, WADIA VRDS, > >Sony fixed pickup), top quality DAC and high quality interconnects. > >And the cost of such setup would be from $3K up. > > > >nhc> But since you already own a NAK, i think the best thing ever to do > is > >to > >nhc> record to a NAK and enjoy the good analog sound. > >Absolutely! > > > >Regards, > >Sergei > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From appleson at gate.net Fri Oct 13 19:05:37 2006 From: appleson at gate.net (Pat Appleson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:05:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] JBL & Nak Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061013125149.01a31a40@gate.net> Hi Guys, From Ben Torre, you wrote: >I've got a pair of JBL 4343's and always loved them. Many MANY moons ago, I heard a Nak 1000 played through a set of 4343s at the AES show. Amazing. Also heard a very early digital audio demo (it was around 1976) by Mitsubishi that used the 12" laser disc, a big Technics amp, and 4343 speakers... and that was all the gear in the room! To this day, I have never heard a digital audio demo as good as that. I have always been a fan of the 4350, but a lot of people disagree with me on that choice. Yeah, when I play the MR2's thru the 4343's they sound worth twice the price. . Mine are original with Alnico V magnets, no ceramic, many folks including myself feel that these sound just "Better" than after we went to war with Zaire over cobalt. I had JBL re-cone and remag ALL transducers in 1993. I'll probably send them back in 1Q07 just for good measure. But at this point, I can't say there is anything wrong with them. They continue to sound great. I too have always wanted a pair of 4350's or 4355's. Back in the seventies, when I purchased the 43's, it was just too expensive for the 4350's and to this day there are guys that say the 4350 doesn't sound as good as it should. Of coarse these guys don't own them, I've been keeping my eye out for a pair to rebuild and then have my own "shoot out". Either way, the 4350's will have 3db more bass output with the two 15'" woofs. Best Regards Pat Patrick G. Appleson, Pres. Pat Appleson Studios, Inc. 2359 Highway 70, SE Suite 102 Hickory, NC 28602 828 465-5500 or 954 587-7900 www.appleson.com email: appleson at gate.net From bg56322 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 13 19:20:03 2006 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 39 Message-ID: <20061013172004.90933.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> SV > My personal experience with M-Audio Audiophile 9624 USB (external SV>card) is vice versa. I wonder what was wrong with your recording? SV> found that this card has more or less decent analog-to-digital SV>converter whereas its DAC seems to be quite mediocre. I came to this SV>conclusion when I compare how my WAV files play back on card's SV>analog outputs with same WAV's burned onto CD. SV>SPDIF digital output is slightly better but way down from the CD. Sergei, there is no disagreement between us. DAC in M-Audiophile 9624 is indeed mediocre, but I was not using analog outputs at all, I have used digital out to feed my external DAC, so Audiohiole was only a pipeline for digital signal, not a DAC in my system. I have compared my recordings differently: - A factory CD was recorded on my CR-7. -Tape was recorded to PC via analog inputs of M-Audio Audiophile. -Recording was saved on hard drive and burned to CD -Original CD ripped to hard drive. -Compared original CD to tape : matter of taste, would say total score about equal. -Compared CD-R to tape: tape wins (same preamp) -Compared CD-R to original CD: CD wins (same preamp, same DAC) The difference was not subtle, like changing components. -Compared ripped CD from HD to original CD: hard drive file wins (same preamp, same DAC) Also, I have tried recording in hirez 96/24. It sounded somewhat nicer, but still not good enough. I decided Audiophile is not for me and I sold it. I blame it on flimsy connector and cheap cabling of connector dongle as well as the EMI/RF environment within PC. (replacing ordinary power cable with audiophile DIY 10ga power cable made a signifficant difference) . For comparrison, external USB card gained much better results and sometimes homebrew recording sounded better than 1980s original CD. I also transferred pre-recorded commercial 1990s cassettes with amazing results. Comparrison of PC results is tricky. It is my experience, your experience may be different, due to different PC configuration and different local conditions. EMI/RF and poor AC power are our enemy. For serious PC recordings I would recommend providing balanced AC power first. Regards, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Fri Oct 13 22:22:07 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: <20061013172004.90933.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061013202207.49889.qmail@web50001.mail.yahoo.com> Is there any body in the ForthWorth Dallas area that can tell me where to buy some TDK - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From r1seals at yahoo.com Fri Oct 13 22:27:42 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Help with finding tapes In-Reply-To: <20061013172004.90933.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061013202742.8120.qmail@web50002.mail.yahoo.com> -Is there anybody in the FortWorth Dallas area that can tell me where to buy some TDK-SA tapes.Really closer to FortWorth. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From emberphoto at hotmail.com Fri Oct 13 23:37:57 2006 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:37:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Some Lovely Naks For Sale Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 14 01:16:50 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:16:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: <20061013155622.36847.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061013155622.36847.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8F162C22-748B-46CE-9EE4-FCD949F8F822@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Guys, On Oct 13, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > That's a perfect description Ron. Example, my son who's in his > early 20's likes strong bass and I prefer natural bass like my Bose > speakers deliver. > He and I will never agree on what sounds the best. > Bob > > Ron wrote: > > Very interesting treatise. I would have loved to read > the 'quite a few hard drives-full of very technical > information'. Some of it, probably very true; some of > it, probably not. > > The question: why does some equipment sound good while > some doesn't? The postulate: our ears introduce > distortion and we 'prefer audio equipment that creates > distortion resembling that of our individual Inherent > Distortion Profile'. > > Does this make any sense whatsoever? Won't such equipment > simply double the distortion we perceive (it will add its > own distortion to whatever distortion our hearing > mechanism normally engenders)? Perhaps I'm not explaining clearly enough. My apologies. It's hard to decise what details to add or leave out without causing confusion or wrong conclusions. The equipment creates its distortion, our ear/ brain hears the distortion and reacts to it. THEN the brain does its mojo, decides whether it likes/dislikes the distortion, influenced in part by the ear's own distortion characteristics. I could fill Wouter's server trying to explain this intricate principle. IDEALLY it would then seem that zero distortion is the goal. If anyone achieves that, great. Sometimes ultra-low distortion equipment is indeed regarded as excellent sound, in other cases ultra-low distortion equipment is perceived as "sterile" or "unmusical." Why? Because some distortion is present and that listener's brain'ear combo dislikes the character of that miniscule distortion. That's all I'm really saying. > The truth of the matter is that whatever distortion our > ears produce is immaterial to the equipment we prefer. > It's simply why the same sound may be perceived differently > by different people. Whatever distortion our ears produce IS a prime cause of why the same sound is perceived differently by the same people. Therefore, it isn't immaterial. You've already stated "It's simply why the same sound may be perceived differently by different people." How can anything that affects how people perceive sound be immaterial? > > People's preferences of audio equipment come in roughly > (very roughly) two flavours. Some people (I'll call them > 'sujectivists') prefer equipment that sounds good to > them, regardless of similarity or lack thereof to the > original sound. Other people (I'll call them > 'objectivists') prefer equipment that sounds accurate; > that is, as close as possible to the original sound. Well, Ron, I needed a great laugh today! Thank you! This last statement of yours shows the difference between you and I. You call people names then dismiss them as wrong. I spend 29 years and counting researching the underlying cause of why people prefer different sounds so that I can make better designs and records for as many listeners as possible. > These two groups of people will always disagree -- their > goals are not just different, but actually opposed. Sorry, that's just hubris. Listeners and designers seek the same goal: what they perceive as accurate sound. But because different individuals perceive "accurate sound" differently they are lead to take different paths. You take the approach that zero distortion equals accurate sound. fine. you're in good company. But that approach is not superior to another approach. It's just a different approach. Of course, I expect you to reject all I've said as I doubt it serves your purposes to agree. I'm curious Ron, why do own a Nakamichi cassette deck and a turntable? You're the last person I'd expect to own a cassette deck or turntable because even the finest Nakamichi or turntable has far higher distortion than even a mediocre digital recorder -- and is therefore, according to your own doctrine nowhere as accurate as a digital recorder. If you're the "objectivist" you like to call yourself I'd think you'd throw your Nakamichi in the trash and laugh at those of us poor "subjectivists" who prefer the "colorations" of our beloved Nakamichis to the "accurate sound" that you, the enlightened "objectivist," prefer. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Oct 14 01:43:47 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:43:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: <8F162C22-748B-46CE-9EE4-FCD949F8F822@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20061013155622.36847.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8F162C22-748B-46CE-9EE4-FCD949F8F822@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/images/smilies/popc1.gif On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:16:50 -0500, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Guys, > > On Oct 13, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > >> That's a perfect description Ron. Example, my son who's in his >> early 20's likes strong bass and I prefer natural bass like my Bose >> speakers deliver. >> He and I will never agree on what sounds the best. >> Bob >> >> Ron wrote: >> >> Very interesting treatise. I would have loved to read >> the 'quite a few hard drives-full of very technical >> information'. Some of it, probably very true; some of >> it, probably not. >> >> The question: why does some equipment sound good while >> some doesn't? The postulate: our ears introduce >> distortion and we 'prefer audio equipment that creates >> distortion resembling that of our individual Inherent >> Distortion Profile'. >> >> Does this make any sense whatsoever? Won't such equipment >> simply double the distortion we perceive (it will add its >> own distortion to whatever distortion our hearing >> mechanism normally engenders)? > Perhaps I'm not explaining clearly enough. My apologies. It's hard to > decise what details to add or leave out without causing confusion or > wrong conclusions. The equipment creates its distortion, our ear/ > brain hears the distortion and reacts to it. THEN the brain does its > mojo, decides whether it likes/dislikes the distortion, influenced in > part by the ear's own distortion characteristics. I could fill > Wouter's server trying to explain this intricate principle. > > IDEALLY it would then seem that zero distortion is the goal. If > anyone achieves that, great. Sometimes ultra-low distortion equipment > is indeed regarded as excellent sound, in other cases ultra-low > distortion equipment is perceived as "sterile" or "unmusical." Why? > Because some distortion is present and that listener's brain'ear > combo dislikes the character of that miniscule distortion. That's all > I'm really saying. >> The truth of the matter is that whatever distortion our >> ears produce is immaterial to the equipment we prefer. >> It's simply why the same sound may be perceived differently >> by different people. > Whatever distortion our ears produce IS a prime cause of why the > same sound is perceived differently by the same people. Therefore, it > isn't immaterial. You've already stated "It's simply why the same > sound may be perceived differently by different people." How can > anything that affects how people perceive sound be immaterial? > >> >> People's preferences of audio equipment come in roughly >> (very roughly) two flavours. Some people (I'll call them >> 'sujectivists') prefer equipment that sounds good to >> them, regardless of similarity or lack thereof to the >> original sound. Other people (I'll call them >> 'objectivists') prefer equipment that sounds accurate; >> that is, as close as possible to the original sound. > Well, Ron, I needed a great laugh today! Thank you! > > This last statement of yours shows the difference between you and I. > You call people names then dismiss them as wrong. I spend 29 years > and counting researching the underlying cause of why people prefer > different sounds so that I can make better designs and records for as > many listeners as possible. > >> These two groups of people will always disagree -- their >> goals are not just different, but actually opposed. > Sorry, that's just hubris. Listeners and designers seek the same > goal: what they perceive as accurate sound. But because different > individuals perceive "accurate sound" differently they are lead to > take different paths. You take the approach that zero distortion > equals accurate sound. fine. you're in good company. But that > approach is not superior to another approach. It's just a different > approach. Of course, I expect you to reject all I've said as I doubt > it serves your purposes to agree. > > I'm curious Ron, why do own a Nakamichi cassette deck and a turntable? > > You're the last person I'd expect to own a cassette deck or turntable > because even the finest Nakamichi or turntable has far higher > distortion than even a mediocre digital recorder -- and is therefore, > according to your own doctrine nowhere as accurate as a digital > recorder. If you're the "objectivist" you like to call yourself I'd > think you'd throw your Nakamichi in the trash and laugh at those of > us poor "subjectivists" who prefer the "colorations" of our beloved > Nakamichis to the "accurate sound" that you, the enlightened > "objectivist," prefer. > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > -- From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 14 02:08:46 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:08:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: References: <20061013155622.36847.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8F162C22-748B-46CE-9EE4-FCD949F8F822@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <81A98046-0D24-41C5-A68B-9D5D2E734974@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Jerry, On Oct 13, 2006, at 6:43 PM, jerryjg wrote: > http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/images/smilies/popc1.gif I couldn't have said it better! Right on! I get your drift: it's all just a show. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Oct 14 02:33:14 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:33:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: <81A98046-0D24-41C5-A68B-9D5D2E734974@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20061013155622.36847.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8F162C22-748B-46CE-9EE4-FCD949F8F822@woods-and-waters.com> <81A98046-0D24-41C5-A68B-9D5D2E734974@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Right, except for the principal actors are geniuses, and I'm just an idiot in the audience! I was hoping for a good debate. Thats the way guys like me learn.Please keep it coming! Bravo! On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:08:46 -0500, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Jerry, > > On Oct 13, 2006, at 6:43 PM, jerryjg wrote: > >> http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/images/smilies/popc1.gif > > I couldn't have said it better! Right on! I get your drift: it's all > just a show. > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Oct 14 03:01:41 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:01:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Message-ID: Hi Kermit, You are a GENIUS! the reason Iam saying that is because anyone that have brains to design tube amps from scratch! must be someone special! Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 14 03:11:09 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:11:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 LED problems & 78 RPM In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061012191302.02f31eb0@ix.netcom.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061010041605.02caceb0@ix.netcom.com> <736A37ED-7932-4D3A-821B-691EFBEF27F2@woods-and-waters.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061012191302.02f31eb0@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <238CCA41-B1A9-4B54-A89F-455048D33DF9@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ben, On Oct 12, 2006, at 6:41 PM, Ben Torre wrote: > At 05:05 PM 10/12/06, you wrote: >>> I still have two of them. >> >> Wow! I still have one of mine as well. Did you know that GE once >> made a special preamplifier for their VR series cartridges? I had >> one. It >> made the cartridge sound rich and smooth yet detailed. > > I still have some old cartridges around that I just can't bear to > toss out. One is an Empire 108 and of course the VR-IIs (one > with a silver snoot/light grey body, one with a silver snoot/red > body and one with a gold snoot/dark grey body... the gold one I > still have the box for.) Also have a couple of Pickering V-15s as > well. (no, not a Shure V-15... a Pickering V-15. Looks like a > white bullet that was squared off. Stanton's model 380 > "Stereofluxvalve" was the same thing, only in a gold case.) Ah man, now I gotta go out and buy some more boxcars. I suffer from boxcar-buying-itis. Severe case! I'm angry at you for starting another buying binge! (Joking!) > The GE VR was always a favorite. And yes, with the right preamp it > makes those old mono Columbia discs come to life! > > Was that GE preamp a little open-chassis affair that used a 9-pin > miniature tube? I probably still have one laying around. I think > it was meant to be installed inside the bigger turntables/console > units of the day that were converted from the high-output ceramic > carts. Yes! If I recall, it's a 6SC7 tube, but my memory may be off. I think some models had 12AY7 in them instead of 6SC7. > Different styli... yes, they are a must for the best possible > transfer, but for dumpster rescues and flea market funds I do > pretty well with the 681 and the Stanton 78 stylus, or the V-15 and > the Pickering 78 stylus.... or even the VR-II. I have a Lampton- > Zuchaucus homebrewed phono preamp with an RIAA EQ bypass button > rigged up. I usually transfer to a PC and them play with EQ curves > in the digital arena. My heavily-modified Empire 208 with the SME > series III arm and the vari-freq inverter does really nicely, but > I'll be the first to admit it is *not* an SP-10. My main concern > is getting to hear music that would otherwise be lost to the trash > bin. Listening to some of those old recordings, despite the > obvious technical limitations, has shown me how many really great > musicians have been forgotten over time. Is the Lampton-Zuchaucus the neat little preamp that has 5532 opamps in it? Nice! Not to worry, the SP-10 is so quiet it outperforms many high-end audiophile turntables. My tweaked Yamaha YP-D3 is within 2 dB of the SP-10 but none of my other turntables are as quiet. The first time I heard a SP-10 I thought something was wrong with it because "it was too quiet." > For really freaky stuff, I call up my friend Art Schifrin. He does > the Edison and Pathe cylinders, the acoustic 78s, and even rigged > up an Ampex 440 with special spindles and a special guide > arrangement for retrieving old wire recordings. "Shiffy", as we > all know him, is amazing. Yes, he has a mess of different styli as > well. I'll never be fool enough to say I'm even nearly as good as > Shiffy, Kermit, or Pat in that department! Thank heavens that > there are still some people who care about the old music. Wow! Nice rig! Shiffy's my kind of guy! > My head still hurts from seeing all those beautiful 78s smashed in > that dumpster. Sickening. It's more than music...it's history! Today I rescued a Nak 600 from a neighbor's son. He was going to throw it away because "it's just a s!!!ty cassette and isn't portable like an ipod." He'd gotten it off ebay and was angry it wasn't what he hoped it would be. What did he think it would be, I wonder? Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 14 03:28:00 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:28:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <21675915.1160678987016.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> References: <21675915.1160678987016.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <3A2F601B-41D0-4857-8E34-3AD89D0C96B5@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Roland, On Oct 12, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Roland wrote: > Soumi, I also prefer Anandtech but I was looking for something more > directly related to analog to digital conversion. > > I recall Kermit Gray giving a lengthy explanation of how to > digitally recording without sound like a pump box. As some of you know, I''m always researching better ways to make recordings (or stereos) with lower-end equipment. Fortunately, those of us on Naktalk have a secret weapon in our decks we can use to make better sounding CDs with lower-end A/D/A convertors. Here's a short version of my previous posts on the topic, adapted for low-end soundcards. First things first, repeat after me: "Technique is more important than technology." in other words, how you do the job is often more important than the gear used. Regardless of the equipment, whether Soundblaster card, Nak 550 or custom-made DAW with Meitner A/D/A convertors, some basic principles to follow are: 1. Use as little signal processing as possible. No processing at all is the ideal to strive for. In the past I've advised against using software plugin but in the past year the quality of plugins has improved dramatically. I personally still prefer hardware procs to plugins but I've found some plugins I wouldn't mind having too. 2. Try to avoid peak limiting. This robs the music of its sense of being a live performance but it does make the record seem louder. 3. Use the highest sampling rate possible but pick one that is an even multiple of the CD 44.1 kHz sample rate: 88.2 downconverts with fewer artifacts than 96 kHz will. Admittedly with the latest sound cards the differences are very slight. 4. PCM Digital increases distortion and loses detail as level drops. This often sounds artificial or harsh to many listeners. So, keep the record level as high as possible without going over. Beware most software level meters understate level. Some practice and trial-and- error will be needed to ascertain the ideal recording level. 5. Add random noise, called dither, to cover up the CD's ugly sound floor with a nicer sounding noise floor. Where can you get dither? Some software has a setting for dither, you can download dither sources, or you can generate your own dither electronically. My advice: record a track of the hiss your Nakamichi makes playing a blank tape, Dolby OFF, with the track recorded at -3 dB to create your own fab-sounding dither source track. Then mix this "dither track" into your recording during the final mix -- add just a tiny tiny bit -- the level will be with the fader just barely open. if you're aware of the hiss at moderate playback level then you added too much. 6. Burn the CD sing the Disc-at-once setting and turn off the anti- copy bit if the software allows. N-Joy your new, snazzy analog-sounding CD, made that way with all but the worst A/D/A convertors. > Kermit was (still is) awesome. Hey, I appreciate the kind words! Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 14 03:30:23 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:30:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: References: <20061013155622.36847.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8F162C22-748B-46CE-9EE4-FCD949F8F822@woods-and-waters.com> <81A98046-0D24-41C5-A68B-9D5D2E734974@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <731F1B68-FFB8-4B4B-A12D-BD8904F19188@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Jerry, On Oct 13, 2006, at 7:33 PM, jerryjg wrote: > Right, except for the principal actors are geniuses, and I'm just > an idiot in the audience! I was hoping for a good debate. Thats the > way guys like me learn.Please keep it coming! > Bravo! On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:08:46 -0500, Kermit > Gray wrote Well, then, put some tunes in your Nak, grab a brewi and some cold pizza, sit back, and enjoy the show! I've got an ice-cold Dr.Pepper and some MilkDuds and some relaxing Vivaldi playing through my 680ZX. >> Hey Jerry, >> >> On Oct 13, 2006, at 6:43 PM, jerryjg wrote: >> >>> http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/images/smilies/popc1.gif >> >> I couldn't have said it better! Right on! I get your drift: it's >> all just a show. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Oct 14 04:27:26 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:27:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer Message-ID: -- HI girls(?!) and Boys, heres my 2nd Tri-Tracer I had been wanting for a long time. Well, I drove upto Austin,4 hours round trip a couple weekend ago, and picked her up. Its a real beauty.Looks nearly perfect(needs some mild polishing up as you can tell in the photos).Runs like a champ!Funny, I recall the exuberance of my first Nak Tri-tracer I got 6 years ago, and the jubilation of my first RX303 I got 4 years ago...even the adventure of getting two more RX303's this summer for bargain prices, but this one was different. There was no such joy involved, Just a quiet contentment that I had a very very nice spare 700 tri-Tracer to depend upon as a second unit.Seeing these pictures however does kindle a warm feeling of glee afterall. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Oct 14 04:54:10 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:54:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Jerry, Congratulations! The 700 Tri-Tracer is a true classic! One of y favorites. Wish I had one. Ah well, one day, after I've added a 1000ZXL (smile) to my collection. Yes, before I become an old fossil and die I'd like to add a 250, 350, 700 and a 1000 to my collection. I'll then have a 250, 350, 500, 550, 700 & 1000 -- the entire 1970s model line. I'll have to grow several more pairs of ears to be able to listen to them all simultaneously. Maybe gene splicing technology? Sigh.... On Oct 13, 2006, at 9:27 PM, jerryjg wrote: > > > -- HI girls(?!) and Boys, heres my 2nd Tri-Tracer I had been > wanting for a long time. Well, I drove upto Austin,4 hours round > trip a couple weekend ago, and picked her up. Its a real > beauty.Looks nearly perfect(needs some mild polishing up as you can > tell in the photos).Runs like a champ!Funny, I recall the > exuberance of my first Nak Tri-tracer I got 6 years ago, and the > jubilation of my first RX303 I got 4 years ago...even the adventure > of getting two more RX303's this summer for bargain prices, but > this one was different. There was no such joy involved, Just a > quiet contentment that I had a very very nice spare 700 tri-Tracer > to depend upon as a second unit.Seeing these pictures however does > kindle a warm feeling of glee afterall. > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Oct 14 07:16:20 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 1:16:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: <6004204.1160802980375.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> No problem Kermit as you, as well as others here on Navtalk, have enlightened us with the knowledge of recording in the digital world. The breadth of knowledge on this board is phenomenal! > > > Kermit was (still is) awesome. > > Hey, I appreciate the kind words! > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Oct 14 07:18:36 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:18:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Some Lovely Naks For Sale,Dragon Message-ID: Hi Steve, I might be interested in getting the Dragon if its working ok and the price is right. Let me know how much will you let it go for! I am in VA, USA. Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sat Oct 14 07:47:15 2006 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:47:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Some Lovely Naks For Sale,Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sat Oct 14 07:51:48 2006 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:51:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OOOPS!!!--Sorry Folks; meant to respond to Ali's question directly to him Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Sat Oct 14 16:47:24 2006 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:47:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061014104326.05c81688@yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I am so happy about this, I had to share it with someone who can understand! Just 'won' this morning an Arcam Delta 100 on ebay (UK)! Lord knows I got enough tape decks (245 of them) but this one I have been looking for for a loooong time. I'll be curious to see if it really is as good as they say, I've never had one before. Victor P.S. You can see some older pics of my stuff here http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Sat Oct 14 17:57:29 2006 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:57:29 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110610130935p56729d4cm33f5f4ec7aa78083@mail.gmail.com> References: <200610131000.k9DA03Bf020238@zxe.naks.com> <6bddc1110610130935p56729d4cm33f5f4ec7aa78083@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1686008406.20061014185729@kharkov.ua> Hi All, I wouldn't blame CD format too much. It is capable to deliver amasingly good sound qaulity and it does not seem like DVDAudio or other high resolution technologies are developed enough to take over CD with its 44.1 kHz sample rate. As classic (awesome Kermit) says "Technique is more important than technology." Kermit also says: > 3. Use the highest sampling rate possible but pick one that is an > even multiple of the CD 44.1 kHz sample rate: 88.2 downconverts with > fewer artifacts than 96 kHz will. This is probably what HDCD technology is for. I happened to listen to some CD's remastered by HDCD system. These were early albums by the Beatles. They sound definitely better than vinyl does. Analog advocates might say that first print LPs would beat HDCD CDs - may be, but they cost a fortune. The drawback of the CD format is that it's not easy to get it sound to its best. Notwithstanding the importance of the basic principles to make better sounding CDs at the recording stage I still believe that the key issue at playback is equipment. Regards, Sergei Friday, October 13, 2006, 7:35:09 PM, you wrote: TS> I'm inclined to agree.  While digitization has significant TS> promise, the reality has yet to live up to the hype.  The sampling TS> frequencies in use at this time just aren't wide enough to give TS> the necessary clarity and flavor to higher frequencies, making the TS> benefits like low noise and infinite reproducibility just not TS> worth the aliasing and other audio garbage that comes with it. TS> The HDCD format gives me hope, and what I've heard so far is TS> amazing (check out Keith Johnson's referencerecordings.com), but TS> I'm taking a wait and see attitude with regard to its adoption as TS> a standard and subsequent accessibility.  Since it's a proprietary TS> process and details are still sketchy, I don't know exactly what TS> has been improved upon compared to the atrocious CD format we're TS> stuck with at present. TS> -Tim TS> On 10/13/06, noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote:Hi Sergei TS> Personally i think the entire aspect of digitisation/sampling is flawed as TS> far as music reproduction is concerned. Most people argue that a CD sounds TS> very good no matter what player etc .. which may just be true cosmetically TS> .... but they only get to hear what their hardware is making them hear ... TS> which may be far from the original sound. TS> Ive been a fan of analog sound right thru ... even tho i had to buy CDs of TS> music what werent many times available on tape. TS> But here in india, we are still lucky to get tapes so thats a plus :) TS> I use a Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum for transferring digital content to TS> analog .. yep ... crazy eh ? :) TS> Im still trying to setup a good preamp for this ... lets hope we can get TS> hold of kermit's tube amps. TS> Best TS> Soumi >>From: Sergei Vorontsov >>Reply-To: Sergei Vorontsov ,Talk about Nakamichi >>Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re[2]: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings >>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:36:08 +0200 >>Hi Soumi, >> >>nhc> Yes, 44khz sampling is crap .. so if your soundcard supports 192khz >>24bit >>nhc> sampling then thats what i would suggest. And burn it as an AudioDVD >>instead >>nhc> of a CD. >>Good advice. The sound quality of AudioDVD on a cheap DVD player will >>be noticeably higher than 44khz sampling and using an inexpensive CD >>player. >> >>Although it is possible to achieve good results and decent sound >>with 44khz sampling as well. >>I used M-Audio Audiophile USB card to digitize the analog source >>and EAC (http://www.exactaudiocopy.com/) as the burner (NERO is >>no good for Nakers). >> >>The secret how to make your CD recording sound comparable (not >>matching unfortunately) to the analog source is simple - >>it takes to use top quality CD transport (TEAC VRDS, WADIA VRDS, >>Sony fixed pickup), top quality DAC and high quality interconnects. >>And the cost of such setup would be from $3K up. >> >>nhc> But since you already own a NAK, i think the best thing ever to do is >>to >>nhc> record to a NAK and enjoy the good analog sound. >>Absolutely! >> >>Regards, >>Sergei From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 14 15:12:48 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:12:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4530E250.4040603@rcn.com> jerryjg wrote: > > > -- HI girls(?!) and Boys, heres my 2nd Tri-Tracer I had been wanting for > a long time. Well, I drove upto Austin,4 hours round trip a couple > weekend ago, and picked her up. Its a real beauty.Looks nearly > perfect(needs some mild polishing up as you can tell in the photos).Runs > like a champ!Funny, I recall the exuberance of my first Nak Tri-tracer I > got 6 years ago, and the jubilation of my first RX303 I got 4 years > ago...even the adventure of getting two more RX303's this summer for > bargain prices, but this one was different. There was no such joy > involved, Just a quiet contentment that I had a very very nice spare > 700 tri-Tracer to depend upon as a second unit.Seeing these pictures > however does kindle a warm feeling of glee afterall. > Wow!!! These pictures of the 700 brought fond memories... The 700 was my very first Nak, ever. Bought it new, in a factory sealed box, for $700. Kept it for 10 years, then replaced it with a brand new 582... -- Ron From lenaw at flash.net Sat Oct 14 20:13:42 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:13:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061014104326.05c81688@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201c6efbc$7cda76e0$1ac4db40@CPQ16585250299> REMARKABLE !!! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Trifu Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:47 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! Hi everyone, I am so happy about this, I had to share it with someone who can understand! Just 'won' this morning an Arcam Delta 100 on ebay (UK)! Lord knows I got enough tape decks (245 of them) but this one I have been looking for for a loooong time. I'll be curious to see if it really is as good as they say, I've never had one before. Victor P.S. You can see some older pics of my stuff here http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Oct 14 20:13:56 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:13:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061014104326.05c81688@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c6efbc$952221d0$b207010a@hurtignok> Wow - what an IMPRESSIVE collection. I thought I was a collector with my seven naks... ;-) By the way - just to keep this forum on track :-) how many NAKS do you own? And which Nak is your favourite? Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Trifu" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! > Hi everyone, > > I am so happy about this, I had to share it with someone who can understand! > Just 'won' this morning an Arcam Delta 100 on ebay (UK)! > Lord knows I got enough tape decks (245 of them) but this one I have > been looking for for a loooong time. > I'll be curious to see if it really is as good as they say, I've > never had one before. > > Victor > P.S. You can see some older pics of my stuff here > http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 14 20:25:15 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl playback 0 offset voltage at pin 1 and 7 ic 301, Bala help! Message-ID: <20061014182515.79268.qmail@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali, Ok that signals that the values have drifted way off as a result of time. You have got it DC volts at both pins. What you should be doing is, turning it very...verrryyy slowly....and the voltage will start to either increase or decrease towards zero. Get this value as low as possible. Once you have got that values, playback on the machine and see how it behaves. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: "BOEING747600 at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:37:50 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl playback 0 offset voltage at pin 1 and 7 ic 301, Bala help! Hi Bala, Still waiting to hear from you! Pin 1 and 7 of ic have dc voltages present . Pin 1 has 9.9 vdc and pin7 1.74vdc, i turned both the Vr 101 and VR 201 to get 0 offset dc volts but turning these controls had little or no effect on the voltage reading mentioned above. What shall be our next step?! Your help as usual to get this beauty to work again is muchappreciated! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Oct 14 21:07:49 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:07:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061014104326.05c81688@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12ff01c6efc4$0a9abf60$9e274446@a72400shuttle> 245 decks? DAMN! I think I'm crazy to have 4! Dennis From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 14 20:51:13 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:51:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061014135113.007a2600@earthlink.net> So the anti-resonance weight is more effective if it is organic? That sure is a beautiful deck....anyone care to call it "the Most Beautiful Deck ever made"? tom brucker At 09:27 PM 10/13/06 -0500, you wrote: > > >-- HI girls(?!) and Boys, heres my 2nd Tri-Tracer I had been wanting for a >long time. Well, I drove upto Austin,4 hours round trip a couple weekend >ago, and picked her up. Its a real beauty.Looks nearly perfect(needs some >mild polishing up as you can tell in the photos).Runs like a champ!Funny, >I recall the exuberance of my first Nak Tri-tracer I got 6 years ago, and >the jubilation of my first RX303 I got 4 years ago...even the adventure of >getting two more RX303's this summer for bargain prices, but this one was >different. There was no such joy involved, Just a quiet contentment that I >had a very very nice spare 700 tri-Tracer to depend upon as a second >unit.Seeing these pictures however does kindle a warm feeling of glee >afterall. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 14 20:36:59 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:36:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Modding to half speed In-Reply-To: <200610131625.k9DGPAte026022@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061014133659.00829cf0@earthlink.net> Your 680 has some offset in the mode cam circuit. There are 2 controls used to calibrate the cam, and one is for "stop" position. Perhaps the pot is dirty. Service manual has an excellent description of the procedure. tom brucker At 06:25 PM 10/13/06 +0200, you wrote: >>>> Tom, Repairing the 680 will be my next project. I will get the unit next week. Apparently the heads immediately engage when it is powered up and then get stuck. I will look into that. For now I just had the idea of tinkering a 480 (those abound) to get a half speed play back unit only. My pdf tech manual is a little unclear and I dont have an electronics background. For play back only I would think the mod might be easy enough to work out. But I dont have the correct view on all the parts involved with the motor speed governance. For example, I cant find the pitch control unit, nor the speed adjust print in the manual. I do find the speed adjust in the block diagrams, but not the lay out of the small pcb at the back of the transport. I hoped you could clarify things a bit. Just for the fun of it. Henk Schenk From: Hi Tech Subject: Re: [naktalk] Half speed Mod ? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061011171907.0082c100 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In my opinion, repairing the 680 is much simpler than what you propose. Half speed demands dual capstans and 3 heads, at the very least. Why not list the 680's problems with the same clarity in your post? tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 14 21:08:53 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:08:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061014104326.05c81688@yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061014140853.00823400@earthlink.net> Where is your kitchen???? You have a serious collection. Have you ever written a list? I'd love to know what decks are intersting. tom brucker At 10:47 AM 10/14/06 -0400, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I am so happy about this, I had to share it with someone who can understand! >Just 'won' this morning an Arcam Delta 100 on ebay (UK)! >Lord knows I got enough tape decks (245 of them) but this one I have >been looking for for a loooong time. >I'll be curious to see if it really is as good as they say, I've >never had one before. > >Victor >P.S. You can see some older pics of my stuff here >http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From lenaw at flash.net Sat Oct 14 22:10:03 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:10:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061014135113.007a2600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c6efcc$be6bcae0$8bc3db40@CPQ16585250299> Yes, I will. I have one too and this is the first Nakamichi that I own. Even though I did not bought it new. When I first saw it in London in 1975 I told myself that I will own one someday in my life. Later when I have the financial resources to look for a cassette deck the 700 is the first one that comes up to my mind. I am lucky to buy a used one in like new condition with original double box. I still own that one even though it does not spend much time playing nowadays. Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:51 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer So the anti-resonance weight is more effective if it is organic? That sure is a beautiful deck....anyone care to call it "the Most Beautiful Deck ever made"? tom brucker At 09:27 PM 10/13/06 -0500, you wrote: > > >-- HI girls(?!) and Boys, heres my 2nd Tri-Tracer I had been wanting for a >long time. Well, I drove upto Austin,4 hours round trip a couple weekend >ago, and picked her up. Its a real beauty.Looks nearly perfect(needs some >mild polishing up as you can tell in the photos).Runs like a champ!Funny, >I recall the exuberance of my first Nak Tri-tracer I got 6 years ago, and >the jubilation of my first RX303 I got 4 years ago...even the adventure of >getting two more RX303's this summer for bargain prices, but this one was >different. There was no such joy involved, Just a quiet contentment that I >had a very very nice spare 700 tri-Tracer to depend upon as a second >unit.Seeing these pictures however does kindle a warm feeling of glee >afterall. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sat Oct 14 22:19:59 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:19:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061014104326.05c81688@yahoo.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061014104326.05c81688@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4531466F.8010202@peromarta.org> Thanks so much Victor! I (well, my wife) thought I had a problem, not any more though! Impressive. By the way, is this you ? rgds, LP. Victor Trifu escribió: > Hi everyone, > > I am so happy about this, I had to share it with someone who can > understand! > Just 'won' this morning an Arcam Delta 100 on ebay (UK)! > Lord knows I got enough tape decks (245 of them) but this one I have > been looking for for a loooong time. > I'll be curious to see if it really is as good as they say, I've never > had one before. > > Victor > P.S. You can see some older pics of my stuff here > http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At 10:47 AM 10/14/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I am so happy about this, I had to share it with someone who can understand! >Just 'won' this morning an Arcam Delta 100 on ebay (UK)! >Lord knows I got enough tape decks (245 of them) but this one I have been >looking for for a loooong time. >I'll be curious to see if it really is as good as they say, I've never had >one before. > >Victor >P.S. You can see some older pics of my stuff here >http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Sat Oct 14 23:46:49 2006 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:46:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Half speed tinkering Message-ID: <200610142146.k9ELks9S007336@zxe.naks.com> Tom, Good point to look at, the cam adjustments ! Today I got the 680 and I did check it's status. It does power up, but the cam control motor did immediately start to engage into a sort of play mode. But the control motor still keeps going after the cam is fully engaged. Also the lamps of the transport keys do not light. I am under the impression power or function control logic is in error. I've had a 480 deck with similar function logic problems when a fuse was blown. Checked all the fuses in the 680 and they are good. Checked and cleaned the STOP adjust potentio meter and the potentio meter on the cam. This did not change things, alas. Maybe expert help is needed to check the power and control logic electronics. By the way; I own a TT700 mk II. Extremely good sounding machine. I really do love the looks of it too. I would still prefer the TT1000 but soundwise they are quite similar. It seems to me the limited and mostly discrete electronic circuity is superior to the later "muting and IC overloaded" circuits. Love the 600 almost as much, but I notice a little inferior transport opposed to the bigger early models. Keep listening to the Naks. 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However, I could not remember what was the asking price at that time. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of roland Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! Victor, Did this stuff come from eBay? I seem to recall a guy who was auction like close to 100 decks of different types. The cat was in one of the pictures so the seller had to make not that the cat was NOT included. Just curious. At 10:47 AM 10/14/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I am so happy about this, I had to share it with someone who can understand! >Just 'won' this morning an Arcam Delta 100 on ebay (UK)! >Lord knows I got enough tape decks (245 of them) but this one I have been >looking for for a loooong time. >I'll be curious to see if it really is as good as they say, I've never had >one before. > >Victor >P.S. You can see some older pics of my stuff here >http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Sun Oct 15 00:05:48 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:05:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c6efdc$e8915500$d7c3db40@CPQ16585250299> I think the Nakamichi Concert Hall was used to train the Nakamichi engineer(s) what real music should sound like. However, I don't know how effective this could be. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bernard White Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup I suppose we all know that Nakamichi (so they tell us) used to have a kind of concert room by which they could test that their products sounded natural - that is, that they imitated the sound of a 'live' concert. But even then, concert halls differ. Some sound warm, some sound 'distant', some might even muddy the sound. Who's to say what the standard is? And just as some cartridges better suit classical music (so it is claimed) while others are do better with rock or jazz, perhaps the 'darker' sound of a Dragon/ZX may sound better for one piece of music than the slightly different sound of a CR 7? For example, my Ortofon XR5-MC high output moving coil is much more transparent than my Grado Prestige Gold [and here I would add a little aside for Alex: although as you say there is no free lunch, we can't all afford to dine at the Ritz!!]. But when listening to a string quartet, with its mere four players and spare tone, I need the warmth of the Grado; in fact, even Linda Rondstadt's recordings made with Nelson Riddle are, to my ear, more ENJOYABLE with the Grado than with the clearer Ortofon. But with more complex music, I might prefer the Ortofon's ability to sort things out. Even if this is true, however, by and large I'm inclined to believe that a more expensive Nak deck with superior electronics should produce a more agreeable sound for any kind of music than one of the bottom-ranking 2-head decks. And once again, why are the vintage Japanese-made Naks 'warmer' than the later models? Bernard _____ From: Bob Naylor Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:56:22 -0700 (PDT) That's a perfect description Ron.?Example, my son who's in his early 20's likes strong bass and I prefer natural bass like my Bose speakers deliver. He and I will never agree on what sounds the best. Bob Ron wrote: Very interesting treatise. I would have loved to read the 'quite a few hard drives-full of very technical information'. Some of it, probably very true; some of it, probably not. The question: why does some equipment sound good while some doesn't? The postulate: our ears introduce distortion and we 'prefer audio equipment that creates distortion resembling that of our individual Inherent Distortion Profile'. Does this make any sense whatsoever? Won't such equipment simply double the distortion we perceive (it will add its own distortion to whatever distortion our hearing mechanism normally engenders)? Our sense of vision provides an interesting analogy: in physical reality, the human eye inverts everything we see. (However, from a very early age, out brain inverts the physical image it receives so as to provide a perception that matches the physical reality.) Does the argument that we prefer to view inverted photographs (since they better match what our eyes see) make any sense? Guess not! The truth of the matter is that whatever distortion our ears produce is immaterial to the equipment we prefer. It's simply why the same sound may be perceived differently by different people. People's preferences of audio equipment come in roughly (very roughly) two flavours. Some people (I'll call them 'sujectivists') prefer equipment that sounds good to them, regardless of similarity or lack thereof to the original sound. Other people (I'll call them 'objectivists') prefer equipment that sounds accurate; that is, as close as possible to the original sound. These two groups of people will always disagree -- their goals are not just different, but actually opposed. -- Ron Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Bernard! > > On Oct 12, 2006, at 1:58 AM, Bernard White wrote: > >> In theory, I suppose, a recording machine should not ADD anything - >> and the better the recorder the more that should be true. But I >> suspect that each Nak has its own soundprint which will 'colour' a >> recording made on that machine. CAN ANYONE COMMENT ON THIS? >> > > Here's something to consider. Submitted for your approval, a radical > hypothesis seeking to explain listener preferences for one recorder over > another, or analog to digital, digital to analog, valve to solid state > electronic! s, solid state to valve electronics and so on. In other > words, why can't we as the body of audio enthusiasts reach a consensus > as to what is the one best recorder, amplifier or whatever? Why is it > that some equipment with excellent specs sounds awful while > other equipment with mediocre specs sounds wonderful? Why is it that my > favorite-sounding Nakamichi models are the 500, 550, 600/600-II, > 700 series, 1000 series and 680ZX while others prefer the Dragon or the > CR-7? > > I've just finished the preliminary analysis of some research I've been > conducting for years into listener preferences. I emphasize that the > following hypothesis is quite preliminary, but the evidence I've > gathered does seem to support the hypothesis. First, some background. > Did you know the human ear itself creates distortion and that this > distortion can be measured with a fair degree of certainty? It's > true. Non-linearity inherent to the mechanical nature of the human ear > causes audible distortion not present in the original sound. This > distortion is generated within the ear by inter-modulation of a spectral > complex, itself containing possible masked components. A fancy way of > saying that two or more tones create distortion by a principle analogous > to the mechanism of intermodulation distortion in loudspeakers. > > Now here's the interesting bit: we all vary as to how much distortion > our ear produces at a given frequency at a given SPL. Some of us produce > more even-order nonlinearities and some of us produce more odd-order > nonlinearities; the "mix" (or ratio) of even-order nonlinearities to > odd-order nonlinearities varies by frequency and by SPL. This creates > what I refer to as an Inherent Distortion Profile. > > To cut through quite a few hard drives-full of very technical > information, in short, we tend to prefer audio equipment that creates > distortion resembling that of our individual Inherent Distortion > Profile. If you had a full analysis of your ear's Inherent Distortion > Profile and a piece of equipment's distortion plotted versus frequency > and versus level, then you could predict what equipment you'd prefer > with some certainty. > > Which Nakamichi is "best," or which cartridge is "best"? The one that, > in combination with your other equipment, most closely matches the > inherent nonlinearities of your own ears! > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakamichi at ispwest.com Sun Oct 15 03:11:43 2006 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:11:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! Message-ID: <18f0bf7ba9d0499582f524def21e2c4b.nakamichi@ispwest.com> 10 Grand...as far as I remember ------- Original Message ------- >From : lenaw[mailto:lenaw at flash.net] Sent : 10/14/2006 3:03:23 PM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! I think it is the same gentleman!! Instead of 100 it should be close to 140 at that time. The cat is not included in the sale. However, I could not remember what was the asking price at that time. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of roland Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! Victor, Did this stuff come from eBay? I seem to recall a guy who was auction like close to 100 decks of different types. The cat was in one of the pictures so the seller had to make not that the cat was NOT included. Just curious. At 10:47 AM 10/14/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I am so happy about this, I had to share it with someone who can understand! >Just 'won' this morning an Arcam Delta 100 on ebay (UK)! >Lord knows I got enough tape decks (245 of them) but this one I have been >looking for for a loooong time. >I'll be curious to see if it really is as good as they say, I've never had >one before. > >Victor >P.S. You can see some older pics of my stuff here > http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Oct 15 04:57:02 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:57:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! Message-ID: <26256204.1160881022321.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> That's the price I recall also. ---- wrote: > 10 Grand...as far as I remember > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > >From : lenaw[mailto:lenaw at flash.net] > Sent : 10/14/2006 3:03:23 PM > To : naktalk at naks.com > Cc : > Subject : RE: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! > > I think it is the same gentleman!! Instead of 100 it should be close to 140 > at that time. The cat is not included in the sale. However, I could not > remember what was the asking price at that time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of roland > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:38 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! > > Victor, Did this stuff come from eBay? I seem to recall a guy who was > auction like close to 100 decks of different types. The cat was in one of > the pictures so the seller had to make not that the cat was NOT included. > > Just curious. > > At 10:47 AM 10/14/2006 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, > > > >I am so happy about this, I had to share it with someone who can > understand! > >Just 'won' this morning an Arcam Delta 100 on ebay (UK)! > >Lord knows I got enough tape decks (245 of them) but this one I have been > >looking for for a loooong time. > >I'll be curious to see if it really is as good as they say, I've never had > >one before. > > > >Victor > >P.S. You can see some older pics of my stuff here > > http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Oct 15 04:57:10 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:57:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! Message-ID: <5394309.1160881030896.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> That's the price I recall also. ---- wrote: > 10 Grand...as far as I remember > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > >From : lenaw[mailto:lenaw at flash.net] > Sent : 10/14/2006 3:03:23 PM > To : naktalk at naks.com > Cc : > Subject : RE: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! > > I think it is the same gentleman!! Instead of 100 it should be close to 140 > at that time. The cat is not included in the sale. However, I could not > remember what was the asking price at that time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of roland > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:38 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! > > Victor, Did this stuff come from eBay? I seem to recall a guy who was > auction like close to 100 decks of different types. The cat was in one of > the pictures so the seller had to make not that the cat was NOT included. > > Just curious. > > At 10:47 AM 10/14/2006 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, > > > >I am so happy about this, I had to share it with someone who can > understand! > >Just 'won' this morning an Arcam Delta 100 on ebay (UK)! > >Lord knows I got enough tape decks (245 of them) but this one I have been > >looking for for a loooong time. > >I'll be curious to see if it really is as good as they say, I've never had > >one before. > > > >Victor > >P.S. You can see some older pics of my stuff here > > http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Oct 15 06:37:12 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:37:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Micro Seiki VF 3100/S cartrdige Message-ID: <461.71b7477.326314f8@aol.com> Hi Alex and everyone ! Recently would you beleive it! I found another cartrdige in my old things!( look like I am finding lots of great interesting analog stuff in my basement! lol! and of all the things audiopile cartridges!) . Its a Micro Seiki VF 3100/S carrtidge as marked on the body . I dont know wether its a mm or mc cartrdige and I never got time to mount it on my turntable to find out how it sound. Does anyone had an experience with this cartridge. Alex I will send you the pics you requested of the Simiko arm very soon as I find time! Hope everyone is doing great! Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Oct 15 06:43:25 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:43:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Message-ID: <394.c7a7cec.3263166d@aol.com> Speaking of concert hall , let me tell you my experience that got me started in music. I went to brand new movie theatre in the 1970s (NOT IN USA) they had some of the finest audio equipment in the world that I have NEVER! again have the pleasure to hear again NOT! even LIVE! music sound better than what they had! I was told they probably had western electric tube amps driving huge horn speakers from the side walls and from behind the front curtain! The more they turned up the volume the louder the music became to the point that you could swear that you could reall touch the music with absolutely NO! distortion in the music! it took your breath away! honest! NEVER AGAIN I HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE EVEN AFTER LISTENING TO SOME FINEST AUDIO GEAR IN THE WOLRD! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Oct 15 06:50:18 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:50:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Micro Seiki VF 3100/5 Cartridge is it any good?! Message-ID: Hi Alex and everyone! The cartrdige is a mico seiki VF3100/5 and not! VF 3100/s as I mistakenly wrote in my last email. Please let me know how does it compares to the Decca C4E and Grado Reference Platinium Cartridge. Many Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Sun Oct 15 07:39:10 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 01:39:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! Message-ID: Victor How have you been? I almost stopped to see you a week ago. I'll give you a call soon. Let me know the results on this purchase Dean In a message dated 10/14/2006 4:21:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luis at peromarta.org writes: Victor Trifu escribió: > Hi everyone, > > I am so happy about this, I had to share it with someone who can > understand! > Just 'won' this morning an Arcam Delta 100 on ebay (UK)! > Lord knows I got enough tape decks (245 of them) but this one I have > been looking for for a loooong time. > I'll be curious to see if it really is as good as they say, I've never > had one before. > > Victor > P.S. You can see some older pics of my stuff here > http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sun Oct 15 08:46:11 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:46:11 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Decca cartridge setup/ Classic naks Message-ID: <002901c6f025$9a61e180$0201a8c0@lan> Bernard, I am intrigued by your various comments that the Grado Prestige Gold lacks transparency vs your Ortofon X5, and I guess this would be a good example of 'subjectivism' and what works for you in the context of your LP12 based system. Certainly I have never considered that the Grado's lack transparency. Like Nakamichi's, there are no bad Grado's, just good to great.. even the very cheap humble FTE was was an excellent performer.. but I am prbably coming across as a bit one eye'd!! I have always found Ortofons to be nice, neutral, and 'bland' in my context ( both MM and MC's), much the same as Audio-Technica cartridges, and while I have good examples of both, I prefer to use other cartridges: The Prestige Gold in my Grace/SP25, Denon DL110 in my Linn/Thorens rig, and a vintage Grado F3E in my SR222IV. These three cartridges box well above their weight (on price), work well through the 610/620, Sansui, and Technics amplification, and suit my 'lugs' and keep me 'involved' I would suspect you would find a Decca a bit of an 'ugly' beast.. a Grado with sharper claws!!. On the question of the 'darker' sound of the Dragon/ZX's.. again in the context of my system, I find the ZX's quite 'airy', the 480's & 680's 'darker' ( if we are 'appreciating' the same thing :o) ), the CR's more 'neutral' ( similarly for the DR/CD series but only I have the 2 headers in this case), and the 600's/580's ' warmer'. The BX's sit somewhere between warm and neutral for me, as I find my BX300 an 'engaging' deck and the BX150/RX202's slightly 'warmer' than the later CR2. On the question of "..And once again, why are the vintage Japanese-made Naks 'warmer' than the later models?..", it has been suggested on this forum that it was to make the decks sound closer to the CD's people were recording from. Whilst I don't know about that, certainly from a timing point of view around 82 - 84 , this evolution is coincidental with the introduction of the cheaper and popular BX series. How does your DR10 compare to your 1000ZXL? Cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sun Oct 15 10:13:05 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:13:05 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 sound Message-ID: I have been attempting to tune up my LX-3. I reckon I have the heads aligned pretty well using test tones recorded on a Cassette Deck 1. However, the higher frequency sounds are noticeably duller on the LX-3 especially with Dolby on. Same when compared to the 582. Recording on the LX-3 is not too good with very low level on the right channel. The cam adjustments are correct and I have replaced orange caps. I would appreciate any pointers on what to tackle. David From luis at peromarta.org Sun Oct 15 10:47:32 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:47:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4531F5A4.1070507@peromarta.org> If you get poor dolby performance you may need to calibrate playback levels with a accurate 0dB 400Hz tape. Your test tones recorded on the CD-1 will be as good as the CD-1 is. For 1KHz and 15KHz, you may have a decent test tape, but a 400Hz level tape really needs some skills to produce. http://www.peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html Best rgds, LP. David Thompson escribió: > I have been attempting to tune up my LX-3. I reckon I have the heads aligned > pretty well using test tones recorded on a Cassette Deck 1. However, the > higher frequency sounds are noticeably duller on the LX-3 especially with > Dolby on. Same when compared to the 582. Recording on the LX-3 is not too > good with very low level on the right channel. The cam adjustments are > correct and I have replaced orange caps. I would appreciate any pointers on > what to tackle. > > David > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Oct 14 16:20:22 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:20:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <3A2F601B-41D0-4857-8E34-3AD89D0C96B5@woods-and-waters.com> References: <21675915.1160678987016.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> <3A2F601B-41D0-4857-8E34-3AD89D0C96B5@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4530F226.1030107@yahoo.ca> Kermit Gray a écrit : > 1. Use as little signal processing as possible. No processing at all > is the ideal to strive for. In the past I've advised against using > software plugin but in the past year the quality of plugins has > improved dramatically. I personally still prefer hardware procs to > plugins but I've found some plugins I wouldn't mind having too. > > 2. Try to avoid peak limiting. This robs the music of its sense of > being a live performance but it does make the record seem louder. > > 3. Use the highest sampling rate possible but pick one that is an even > multiple of the CD 44.1 kHz sample rate: 88.2 downconverts with fewer > artifacts than 96 kHz will. Admittedly with the latest sound cards the > differences are very slight. I feel that something's wrong here! Cards that only got AC'97 codecs work at either 48kHz or 96kHz, nothing else. If you decide to use 44.1kHz, you'll make use of the cheap hardware resampling that these cards have to get 48kHz, or if it's a recent card with 96kHz support, it will down-convert it to 88.2kHz. Which ones are doing this : Motherboards, most cheap ones, about every PCI Creative cards from PCI128 to Audigy 4 Pro (X-Fi solved this), most lower end. The only way to get real 88.2kHz is to have a card that has a separate ADC (higher-end only) or to get 44.1kHz, use a card that can't support more (SoundBlaster 16 ISA). That's because most cards since 1997 use the AC'97 codec, which has a fixed samplerate of 48kHz, and for 96kHz, they cram two samples at the same time. What you should do : Use the highest sample rate your sound card supports w/o resampling, and use an high quality software resampler to bring it down to the sample rate you need. It's just that between using an inaccurate hardware resampler used on a low power chip, or a software resampler you can choose that uses an high percentage of a recent CPU. Also, it's told to be preferable to use the highest bitrate (24bit) to then convert it to 16bit after. A good one is the foo_dsp_ssrc resampler for foobar by OtaChan (otachan.com). He has a Winamp version (out_asio) with low latency coming with it!) For resampling, it's better to do it on the software side. > 4. PCM Digital increases distortion and loses detail as level drops. > This often sounds artificial or harsh to many listeners. So, keep the > record level as high as possible without going over. Beware most > software level meters understate level. Some practice and > trial-and-error will be needed to ascertain the ideal recording level. I think that a reason why you should prefer record at 24-bit and down-convert it, the data is more accurate, but still low-detailed. > 5. Add random noise, called dither, to cover up the CD's ugly sound > floor with a nicer sounding noise floor. Where can you get dither? > Some software has a setting for dither, you can download dither > sources, or you can generate your own dither electronically. My > advice: record a track of the hiss your Nakamichi makes playing a > blank tape, Dolby OFF, with the track recorded at -3 dB to create your > own fab-sounding dither source track. Then mix this "dither track" > into your recording during the final mix -- add just a tiny tiny bit > -- the level will be with the fader just barely open. if you're aware > of the hiss at moderate playback level then you added too much. Software can do it, but prefer your Nak's! If your soundcard is too noisy and you hear more line-in noise than your Nak's, forget it and use software dither. > 6. Burn the CD sing the Disc-at-once setting and turn off the > anti-copy bit if the software allows. When you make your own discs, it's often already off. Remember to save your files to WAV! > > N-Joy your new, snazzy analog-sounding CD, made that way with all but > the worst A/D/A convertors. I'll add some more things you can do, if you don't have any recording software, there are two ways to do things: Get Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) Go on settings, Set channels to 2 Under quality tab, Set defaults to your card's samplerate Set high quality interpolation for both Add dither for both real time and HQ, or remove if you'll use your Nak's In format tab, set WAV 32-bit float Under inteface tab, you may like to see more dBs. Record your source Get Foobar2000 ( http://foobar2000.org ) Get Otachan's Resampler ( http://otachan.com ) and decompress the 7-zip file to foo_dsp_ssrc.dll to foobar's components folder (Get IZArc to decompress if you can't) Add your file to playlist, right-click it, press converter, convert to..., Check DSP processing, click ... add resampler SSRC, set it to 44100 Ultra, click OK, set where to save. Return in Audacity with a new window recording your Nak noise at the same settings as the tape recording, make sure it's not your soundcard's noise ;) Convert it in foobar too. Then, in Audacity, open a new window, go in project, import audio for both files set sample format to 16-bit for both set volumes correctly, go in edit, parameters, file formats, set WAV to 16-bit. Go in file, export to wav, click OK to approve stereo moxdown, save file You're done! I didn't want to pass too much time writing it, that's why the instructions are pretty ugly, but I'm sure you're all going to be able to do this. Cheers, Antoine From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Oct 15 12:53:40 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 06:53:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Decca cartridge setup/ Classic naks Message-ID: Hi Martin, I came about looking the model of my Linn arm it says its a Linn Basik Plus Made In Japan. Also the other day I found a Micro Seiki VF 3000/5 cartridge in my things which I have never! come about installing on a table yet! . Do you have any knowledge about this cartridge as I couldnt find a thing on the web on this baby! On the sound of 1000zxl although I am fixing mine I can tell you this much being owner of CR 7 that the 1000zxl is awesome machine! this beast is huge! and the quality of electronics inside the machine is simply superb! I placed a recording made on my Nakamichi CR 7 to listen to the playback as I can tell you , you would be bowled over(as in cricket!) the clarity and dynamic of this machine is something I think no nakamichi cassette deck can even come close to and this I am saying as I am trying to fix the playback which at present has the orange caps disease in it that Iam trying to fix with Bala , LP and Kyb help. If the playback is fixed then we go to solve the ABLE circuit of the 1000 zxl. JUST IMAGINE! WHAT A FULLY WORKING 1000 ZXL CAN SOUND LIKE!! Although the tape transport in 1000 zxl is conventional THE KEY IS THE ELECTRONICS AND THE SHEAR SIZE OF THESE ELECTRONICS PRESENT IN THIS BEAST! If you open one up you would think you are dealing with a desk top computer than a cassette deck! ITS HUGE! and to think all these electronics are there just to extract and record music on a cassette NO WONDER! ITS THE FINEST CASSETTE DECK EVER MADE! Many Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Oct 15 15:07:36 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:07:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:27:26 -0500, jerryjg wrote: > > >-- HI girls(?!) and Boys, heres my 2nd Tri-Tracer I had been wanting for a >long time. ................. Seeing these pictures however does kindle a >warm feeling of glee afterall. Hmm what is the pumpkin for? Holding down a lid or button? -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Oct 15 15:11:04 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:11:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:54:10 -0500, Kermit Gray wrote: >...the entire 1970s model line. I'll have to grow several more >pairs of ears to be able to listen to them all simultaneously. >Maybe gene splicing technology? Sigh.... Or extend your life using gene technology. See how many generations the Naks can hold up to. My current plans involve getting my only Nak working, using the least effort and money. So far I have the remote connector. I nend to build a small transport panel to hook up through the remote socket. the decks front transport panel and parts of the display are busted. -Mikkel, Sometimes free stuff is free for a reason. From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Oct 15 16:31:06 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:31:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer Message-ID: <438732.1160922666316.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> I know we Americans have strange customs but deorating your Nak for Halloween is quite different ---- Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:27:26 -0500, jerryjg wrote: > > > > > > >-- HI girls(?!) and Boys, heres my 2nd Tri-Tracer I had been wanting for a > >long time. ................. Seeing these pictures however does kindle a > >warm feeling of glee afterall. > > Hmm what is the pumpkin for? Holding down a lid or button? > > -Mikkel > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Oct 15 18:29:04 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:29:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Help with finding tapes In-Reply-To: <20061013202742.8120.qmail@web50002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061013172004.90933.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> <20061013202742.8120.qmail@web50002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:27:42 -0700 (PDT), Russ Seals wrote: > > >-Is there anybody in the FortWorth Dallas area that >can tell me where to buy some TDK-SA tapes.Really >closer to FortWorth. For small quantity I have some 80s and 90s TDK-SA used and unused. Actually I believe I have used from going back to 1979. And I believe that 1983 and 1988 may be unused. Shrinkwrapped unused will look great right next to your deck! :) But since I am in Denmark it would probably make most sense to have a few timeline tapes, perhaps just the unused shrinkwrapped pieces for your deck. Slip me an email if you want some specific year and wether used or unused and I will see what I have in those years. 1979 is with the vintage black & clear shell, all the others years are the clear shell. -Mikkel From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Sun Oct 15 20:02:40 2006 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:02:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Half speed tinkering Message-ID: <200610151802.k9FI2ibP013470@zxe.naks.com> Tom, You were absolutely right about the cam adjustments. I did finally get the 680 to work again adjusting this cam. I was not prepared to the amount of mis adjustment and to the interaction the play and stop adjustments have. I will now look at the warm up chnges and leave the 680 running for day or so. Thanks for your apt and concise instructions. I will make a gentleman with many precious half speed recordings very happy ( you do , in fact). Next time I will take more time to value your suggestions! By the way; I found out the 680 uses a smaller than usual puley on the capstan motor to be able to run at half speed. This apparently to avoid problems with speed stability caused by cogging of the motor at running to slow a speed. So modding a deck to half speed is not just a electronical adjustment. You said it would not be that easy, and I see your point now. Many thanks and keep listening to the Naks. Henk Schenk Rotterdam Netherlands http://nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Oct 15 20:43:56 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:43:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <4530F226.1030107@yahoo.ca> References: <21675915.1160678987016.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> <3A2F601B-41D0-4857-8E34-3AD89D0C96B5@woods-and-waters.com> <4530F226.1030107@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <67B07317-C7BE-4173-B7A2-CA726CCF1273@woods-and-waters.com> On Oct 14, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Kermit Gray a écrit : >> 1. Use as little signal processing as possible. No processing at >> all is the ideal to strive for. In the past I've advised against >> using software plugin but in the past year the quality of plugins >> has improved dramatically. I personally still prefer hardware >> procs to plugins but I've found some plugins I wouldn't mind >> having too. >> >> 2. Try to avoid peak limiting. This robs the music of its sense of >> being a live performance but it does make the record seem louder. >> >> 3. Use the highest sampling rate possible but pick one that is an >> even multiple of the CD 44.1 kHz sample rate: 88.2 downconverts >> with fewer artifacts than 96 kHz will. Admittedly with the latest >> sound cards the differences are very slight. > I feel that something's wrong here! > > Cards that only got AC'97 codecs work at either 48kHz or 96kHz, > nothing else. I did not know that! Thanks! > If you decide to use 44.1kHz, you'll make use of the cheap hardware > resampling that these cards have to get 48kHz, or if it's a recent > card with 96kHz support, it will down-convert it to 88.2kHz. Which > ones are doing this : Motherboards, most cheap ones, about every > PCI Creative cards from PCI128 to Audigy 4 Pro (X-Fi solved this), > most lower end. The only way to get real 88.2kHz is to have a card > that has a separate ADC (higher-end only) or to get 44.1kHz, use a > card that can't support more (SoundBlaster 16 ISA). That's because > most cards since 1997 use the AC'97 codec, which has a fixed > samplerate of 48kHz, and for 96kHz, they cram two samples at the > same time. > > What you should do : Use the highest sample rate your sound card > supports w/o resampling, and use an high quality software resampler > to bring it down to the sample rate you need. > > It's just that between using an inaccurate hardware resampler used > on a low power chip, or a software resampler you can choose that > uses an high percentage of a recent CPU. > > Also, it's told to be preferable to use the highest bitrate (24bit) > to then convert it to 16bit after. > > A good one is the foo_dsp_ssrc resampler for foobar by OtaChan > (otachan.com). He has a Winamp version (out_asio) with low latency > coming with it!) > > For resampling, it's better to do it on the software side. Yikes. I haven't kept up with computer soundcards, I see. All great advice! Tthanks, Antoine! >> 4. PCM Digital increases distortion and loses detail as level >> drops. This often sounds artificial or harsh to many listeners. >> So, keep the record level as high as possible without going over. >> Beware most software level meters understate level. Some practice >> and trial-and-error will be needed to ascertain the ideal >> recording level. > I think that a reason why you should prefer record at 24-bit and > down-convert it, the data is more accurate, but still low-detailed. Agreed! >> 6. Burn the CD sing the Disc-at-once setting and turn off the anti- >> copy bit if the software allows. > When you make your own discs, it's often already off. Remember to > save your files to WAV. I have Waveburner; you have to select it with Waveburner. Save to WAV? The native format for CD used to be AIFF or SoundDesigner II. Ok, I'll try saving to WAV. >> N-Joy your new, snazzy analog-sounding CD, made that way with all >> but the worst A/D/A convertors. > > I'll add some more things you can do, if you don't have any > recording software, there are two ways to do things: > Get Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) > Go on settings, > Set channels to 2 > Under quality tab, Set defaults to your card's samplerate > Set high quality interpolation for both > Add dither for both real time and HQ, or remove if you'll use your > Nak's > In format tab, set WAV 32-bit float > Under inteface tab, you may like to see more dBs. > Record your source > > Get Foobar2000 ( http://foobar2000.org ) > Get Otachan's Resampler ( http://otachan.com ) and decompress the 7- > zip file to foo_dsp_ssrc.dll to foobar's components folder (Get > IZArc to decompress if you can't) > Add your file to playlist, right-click it, press converter, convert > to..., > Check DSP processing, click ... add resampler SSRC, set it to 44100 > Ultra, click OK, set where to save. > > Return in Audacity with a new window recording your Nak noise at > the same settings as the tape recording, make sure it's not your > soundcard's noise ;) > Convert it in foobar too. > > Then, > in Audacity, > open a new window, > go in project, import audio for both files > set sample format to 16-bit for both > set volumes correctly, > go in edit, parameters, file formats, set WAV to 16-bit. > Go in file, export to wav, click OK to approve stereo moxdown, save > file > > You're done! I didn't want to pass too much time writing it, that's > why the instructions are pretty ugly, but I'm sure you're all going > to be able to do this. Man, Antoine, how do you keep up with all these computer software things? I'm impressed! Excellent info! I'm saving this for my archives! OK, it's now been shown that I'm not really a computer-guy. I have my professional DAW, a word processor, my web browser and that's about it. For recording CDs I prefer my analog decks and a hardware CD recorder. Although I'm thinking of getting a Pyramix system next summer. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Oct 15 22:00:25 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:00:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Micro Seiki VF 3100/5 Cartridge is it any good?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55836254-A5C3-4843-97F3-D35B42245FDB@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Ali, After looking through my hugh stash of 1970s and 1980s stereo literature, and as a former MicroSeiki dealer. MicroSeiki VF3100/5 Moving Magnet Cartridge Technical specifications: Frequency response: 10Hz~25KHz. Output: 0.85mV/cm. Tracking force: 0.75 to 1.5 grams, 1.25 grams recommended. Channel separation: 30dB @1kHz or better. Compliance: 30x10-6 cm/dyne. Stylus Tip: Nude-mounted elliptical 0.3 x 0.75 mil Load Capacitance: 1.5 picoFarads. recommended load: 47 kHz. Confusingly, some MicroSeiki literature lists any cartridge model ending with "/5" as having a 0.5 mil spherical stylus, but frankly I've never known of a MicroSeiki to have a 0.5 mil spherical stylus. This was an excellent cartridge, just below the top-model VF-3200/E. They're a bit colored, compared to many of today's cartridges, but it would have been comparable to a Shure V-15 Type III or IV, a top-end AudioTechnica or a top end Empire. This would have been the de facto cartridge provided new with many turntables, although some dealers chose to install other brands. I usually put AKG P-5ED, P-7E or P-10E cartridges as the "standard" cartridge on most MicroSeiki models because I felt the AKG was a better match to the arm and had a cleaner, more natural sound with better dynamics. also, I'm a huge aKG fan -- my Dual 1249 still has its AKG P5ED cartridge that I installed! Nevertheless, MicroSeiki's cartridges are quite good -- you have a nice boxcar in your collection! On Oct 14, 2006, at 11:50 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > mico seiki VF3100/5 Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 15 22:16:43 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:16:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <67B07317-C7BE-4173-B7A2-CA726CCF1273@woods-and-waters.com> References: <21675915.1160678987016.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> <3A2F601B-41D0-4857-8E34-3AD89D0C96B5@woods-and-waters.com> <4530F226.1030107@yahoo.ca> <67B07317-C7BE-4173-B7A2-CA726CCF1273@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4532972B.8070706@yahoo.ca> Kermit Gray a écrit : >>> 6. Burn the CD sing the Disc-at-once setting and turn off the >>> anti-copy bit if the software allows. >> When you make your own discs, it's often already off. Remember to >> save your files to WAV. > I have Waveburner; you have to select it with Waveburner. > > Save to WAV? The native format for CD used to be AIFF or SoundDesigner > II. Ok, I'll try saving to WAV. In fact, I told WAV because it's the most popular PCM format, but AIFF, FLAC, WMA-Lossless or SD2 is OK, just use a lossless format, they're all 16/24/32-bit PCM. You might prefer FLAC or other lossless compression to save hard disk drive space, or an other format like WAV because everything works with it(Unlike FLAC which mostly only open software supports) If all your programs work with AIFF, use it. > Man, Antoine, how do you keep up with all these computer software > things? I'm impressed! Excellent info! I'm saving this for my > archives! OK, it's now been shown that I'm not really a computer-guy. > I have my professional DAW, a word processor, my web browser and > that's about it. For recording CDs I prefer my analog decks and a > hardware CD recorder. Although I'm thinking of getting a Pyramix > system next summer. Hey thanks, I've been playing with audio software since a lot of time, that's mostly the reason. By the way, I don't know what you think about this, I told in my Audacity/foobar2000 guide to edit the files with 32-bit and then convert the final result to 16-bit once all the editing is done, do you think it's better to record @ 32bit, set the volume, convert to 16-bit and mix everything up? From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Oct 16 00:42:10 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:42:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Micro Seiki VF 3100/5 Cartridge is it any good?! Message-ID: Dearm Kermit, Thanks for your very KIND! reply and taking time from your busy schedule . It was very informative and gave a great insight in it. Its alway GREAT! to read your very knowledgeable emails on various topics with I learn something new! Today I was able to install The Micro Seiki Cartridge one of other turnable this one is a Yamaha YP 750 with straight arm and direct drive! The sound was a revealation! I now getting very excited and I just dying to find! time to try the other cartridges that I have the Decca London C4E and the Grado Platinium Reference with the Orotofon cartridge pre-amp for amplifying the low out put signal from the Grado and trying on thetSato Sapphire turntable and the Technics SP 10 Mark 2A with outboard power supply. I BET THE SOUND WOULD BE FANTASTIC! :) LOL. With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Mon Oct 16 01:09:21 2006 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:09:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! (back on topic) In-Reply-To: <001901c6efbc$952221d0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061014104326.05c81688@yahoo.com> <001901c6efbc$952221d0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061015190654.0366e770@yahoo.com> Per, I've got 22 Naks: 480 BL 480 S 1000ZXL 500 680ZX 682ZX 700 Tri-Tracer BX-300 Cassette Deck 2 CP-1 CR-1 CR-2A CR-3A CR-7A Dragon LX-3 LX-5 MR-1 MR-2 RX-505 ZX-7 ZX-9 My favorites are 1000ZXL and Dragon. The CP-1 is more of an oddity :) Victor At 02:13 PM 10/14/2006, you wrote: >Wow - what an IMPRESSIVE collection. I thought I was >a collector with my seven naks... ;-) By the way - just >to keep this forum on track :-) how many NAKS do you own? >And which Nak is your favourite? Best Regards, Per From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Mon Oct 16 01:12:18 2006 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:12:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! In-Reply-To: <4531466F.8010202@peromarta.org> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061014104326.05c81688@yahoo.com> <4531466F.8010202@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061015191013.0562eec0@yahoo.com> Luis, No, that is my brother - he lives in Atlanta. He's not a collector, but I did get him a Nak Dragon for his birthday a few years ago. Victor At 04:19 PM 10/14/2006, you wrote: >Thanks so much Victor! > >I (well, my wife) thought I had a problem, not any more though! > >Impressive. By the way, is this you ? > >rgds, LP. From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Mon Oct 16 01:15:11 2006 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:15:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20061014163642.017ff200@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20061014163642.017ff200@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061015191251.067e7ab8@yahoo.com> Roland, About two thirds came from ebay (some of them really good deals) and the rest from other places. Yes, that was me trying to cure my addiction by selling off ALL the decks in one lot. Didn't work... Victor At 04:38 PM 10/14/2006, you wrote: >Victor, Did this stuff come from eBay? I seem to recall a guy who >was auction like close to 100 decks of different types. The cat was >in one of the pictures so the seller had to make not that the cat >was NOT included. > >Just curious. From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Mon Oct 16 01:19:25 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:19:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thats not just any Pumpkin. Thats a special pumpkin chosen for the right size weight and texture. Set atop a nakamichi, or any good componont, it will provide a very noticable organic shaping of the midrange and asthetic rounding of the high frquencies -just make certain it doesnt "roll off" completely.This can be done by proper placemant, and fully detailed instructions are included .I'm selling these for 49.99, shipping included. Want one Ron? On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:07:36 -0500, Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:27:26 -0500, jerryjg wrote: > >> >> >> -- HI girls(?!) and Boys, heres my 2nd Tri-Tracer I had been wanting >> for a >> long time. ................. Seeing these pictures however does kindle a >> warm feeling of glee afterall. > > Hmm what is the pumpkin for? Holding down a lid or button? > > -Mikkel > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Mon Oct 16 01:18:26 2006 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:18:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061015191637.0367faf0@yahoo.com> Dean, Good to hear from you! I'll be away all of next week, but you're more than welcome to come and visit any time after October 24. Make sure to being a big bag of Nak idler tires :) Victor At 01:39 AM 10/15/2006, you wrote: >Victor > >How have you been? I almost stopped to see you a week ago. I'll >give you a call soon. Let me know the results on this purchase >Dean > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Mon Oct 16 01:37:32 2006 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:37:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061014140853.00823400@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061014140853.00823400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061015192520.0677fd50@yahoo.com> Tom, I 'only' took two of the rooms in the house, we do have a kitchen :) I've uploaded a list with all the tape decks here: http://screwloose.us/tapedecks/VCT_TapeDecks_101506.rtf Victor At 03:08 PM 10/14/2006, you wrote: >Where is your kitchen???? > >You have a serious collection. Have you ever written a list? I'd love to >know what decks are intersting. > >tom brucker From jwkrieger at earthlink.net Mon Oct 16 05:00:56 2006 From: jwkrieger at earthlink.net (John D.) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:00:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Question about NAK CR3 Message-ID: <00bc01c6f0cf$4e69f060$8e5de804@john076c11cf62> New member here with a question about Nak CR3A I just purchsed. From what I understand about 20% of these decks were manufactured in Japan, which mine was. I would like to know what the difference is, if any, in the Japanese compared to the Taiwan manufacture. Are all parts the same? or just some put together in Japan, and some put together in Taiwan. Thanks, John D. One more question, don't see too much discussion about the 670ZX, is there a big difference between it and the 680ZX? I'm thinking about picking up one or the other. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Oct 15, 2006, at 10:00 PM, John D. wrote: > New member here with a question about Nak CR3A > I just purchsed. From what I understand about 20% > of these decks were manufactured in Japan, which > mine was. I would like to know what the difference is, if any, > in the Japanese compared to the Taiwan manufacture. > Are all parts the same? or just some put together in Japan, > and some put together in Taiwan. > > Thanks, > John D. > > One more question, don't see too much discussion about > the 670ZX, is there a big difference between it and the 680ZX? > I'm thinking about picking up one or the other. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Oct 16 06:46:18 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:46:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Jerry, I tried your pumpkin tweak on my Nak 600-II but it keeps rolling off (of the deck). By the way, is your pumpkin compatible with metal tape? The pumpkins I keep finding are compatible with only gaffer tape. On Oct 15, 2006, at 6:19 PM, jerryjg wrote: > Thats not just any Pumpkin. Thats a special pumpkin chosen for > the right size weight and texture. Set atop a nakamichi, or any > good componont, it will provide a very noticable organic shaping of > the midrange and asthetic rounding of the high frquencies -just > make certain it doesnt "roll off" completely.This can be done by > proper placemant, and fully detailed instructions are included .I'm > selling these for 49.99, shipping included. Want one > Ron? On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:07:36 -0500, Mikkel > Breiler wrote: > >> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:27:26 -0500, jerryjg >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> -- HI girls(?!) and Boys, heres my 2nd Tri-Tracer I had been >>> wanting for a >>> long time. ................. Seeing these pictures however does >>> kindle a >>> warm feeling of glee afterall. >> >> Hmm what is the pumpkin for? Holding down a lid or button? >> >> -Mikkel Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Oct 16 06:53:40 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:53:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Micro Seiki VF 3100/5 Cartridge is it any good?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09C62684-2A79-41A6-A641-1C09F8082FCD@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Ali, I think you'll find the SP-10 wins. Try making a comparison tape on your best Nak with the two turntables playing the same song but using the different boxcars. Then you can make back to back comaprisons and not suffer from "auditory memory loss" during the tie it takes to switch 'tables. This spring (or sooner) I'll have my MC pre-preamp ready for sale. I'd like to send you one of the prototypes to try with with your rig you have there. I already have my Type NF-A344 MC step-up transformers finished and ready to sell DIY kits. Sold out my first production run in only eight days! So, I've put in another production run for more transformers. I'm awaiting the neato snazzy chassis to put them in to sell as ready-made products. On Oct 15, 2006, at 5:42 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Dearm Kermit, Thanks for your very KIND! reply and taking time > from your busy schedule . It was very informative and gave a great > insight in it. Its alway GREAT! to read your very knowledgeable > emails on various topics with I learn something new! > > Today I was able to install The Micro Seiki Cartridge one of other > turnable this one is a Yamaha YP 750 with straight arm and direct > drive! The sound was a revealation! > > I now getting very excited and I just dying to find! time to try > the other cartridges that I have the Decca London C4E and the Grado > Platinium Reference with the Orotofon cartridge pre-amp for > amplifying the low out put signal from the Grado and trying on > thetSato Sapphire turntable and the Technics SP 10 Mark 2A with > outboard power supply. I BET THE SOUND WOULD BE FANTASTIC! :) LOL. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Oct 16 06:57:22 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:57:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <4532972B.8070706@yahoo.ca> References: <21675915.1160678987016.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> <3A2F601B-41D0-4857-8E34-3AD89D0C96B5@woods-and-waters.com> <4530F226.1030107@yahoo.ca> <67B07317-C7BE-4173-B7A2-CA726CCF1273@woods-and-waters.com> <4532972B.8070706@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4FA807CF-D38B-4777-A346-8C93CC7932A4@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Antoine, On Oct 15, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Kermit Gray a écrit : >>>> 6. Burn the CD sing the Disc-at-once setting and turn off the >>>> anti-copy bit if the software allows. >>> When you make your own discs, it's often already off. Remember to >>> save your files to WAV. >> I have Waveburner; you have to select it with Waveburner. >> >> Save to WAV? The native format for CD used to be AIFF or >> SoundDesigner II. Ok, I'll try saving to WAV. > In fact, I told WAV because it's the most popular PCM format, but > AIFF, FLAC, WMA-Lossless or SD2 is OK, just use a lossless format, > they're all 16/24/32-bit PCM. You might prefer FLAC or other > lossless compression to save hard disk drive space, or an other > format like WAV because everything works with it(Unlike FLAC which > mostly only open software supports) If all your programs work with > AIFF, use it. I'm not a big fan of data compression, lossless or otherwise. I'd enjoy hearing your experience with the different data compression schemes. > >> Man, Antoine, how do you keep up with all these computer software >> things? I'm impressed! Excellent info! I'm saving this for my >> archives! OK, it's now been shown that I'm not really a computer- >> guy. I have my professional DAW, a word processor, my web browser >> and that's about it. For recording CDs I prefer my analog decks >> and a hardware CD recorder. Although I'm thinking of getting a >> Pyramix system next summer. > Hey thanks, I've been playing with audio software since a lot of > time, that's mostly the reason. > > > By the way, I don't know what you think about this, I told in my > Audacity/foobar2000 guide to edit the files with 32-bit and then > convert the final result to 16-bit once all the editing is done, do > you think it's better to record @ 32bit, set the volume, convert to > 16-bit and mix everything up? Wow! You mean there's a software OTHER THAN professional DAWs that has 32 bit editing! Fab! I must grab one of these for myself! DEFINITELY doing all the processing and mixing at 32 bit then downconverting to 16 bit is better than working in either 16 bit or 24 bit. My first DAw was a Studer Dyaxis -- it was only 16 bit but it did sound wonderful -- until you did heavy editing or processing. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Oct 16 06:59:01 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:59:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53809AE2-D097-4061-92FB-389454606DFD@woods-and-waters.com> On Oct 15, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:54:10 -0500, Kermit Gray waters.com> wrote: > >> ...the entire 1970s model line. I'll have to grow several more >> pairs of ears to be able to listen to them all simultaneously. >> Maybe gene splicing technology? Sigh.... > > Or extend your life using gene technology. See how many generations > the Naks can hold > up to. > > My current plans involve getting my only Nak working, using the > least effort and > money. So far I have the remote connector. I nend to build a small > transport panel to > hook up through the remote socket. the decks front transport panel > and parts of the > display are busted. Oh, ouch! That makes me cringe thinking about the front panel being busted. What model Nak? I have a spare 600 (or 600-II) front panel, I think. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Oct 16 07:02:09 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:02:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9711BB7C-5711-4248-9ADC-83E188E2E151@woods-and-waters.com> Hi David, Your Nakamichi LX-3 merely needs a good calibration with proper alignment tapes, especially Dolby Level and bias on the low-level channel you can send it out. Alternatively, fellow Nak member Luis Pertomara (sorry if I misspelled your last name, Luis!) sells a quite good set of calibration and alignment tapes. You can find them on eBay usually. On Oct 15, 2006, at 3:13 AM, David Thompson wrote: > I have been attempting to tune up my LX-3. I reckon I have the > heads aligned > pretty well using test tones recorded on a Cassette Deck 1. > However, the > higher frequency sounds are noticeably duller on the LX-3 > especially with > Dolby on. Same when compared to the 582. Recording on the LX-3 is > not too > good with very low level on the right channel. The cam adjustments are > correct and I have replaced orange caps. I would appreciate any > pointers on > what to tackle. > > David Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 16 07:26:25 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Question about NAK CR3 Message-ID: <20061016052625.80100.qmail@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, Ok, the fact the both decks look and behave so much alike is deceiving. The 680ZX is quite different from the 680ZX. The 670ZX is a little warmer and relaxed sounding. For casual night-time listening, I prefer this baby. The 680ZX, is more of a Formula 1 engine. Detailed, wide-band response and incredible fidelity. Its the deck I use when I want to make some digital-hyping teen's jaw drop (ok at least till the ZXLs came along). Its got that trademarklow frequencies (if your speakers can produce it) and fantastic dynamics. And yes..those mesmerizing meters... Enjoy Kermit, you've got the best one! Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs ----- Original Message ---- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 12:22:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question about NAK CR3 Hi John, Take it from a 680ZX owner, I'd say grab the 680ZX! Customarily, I prefer the analog style metering of the 670ZX to the 680Zx, but the 680ZX's bargraph meter has multi-functions and can display both peak and average levels simultaneously, reminiscent of the Dorrough 40A meters. The 680ZX meter is among the most useful of any level meter I've encountered in a cassette deck! Otherwise, I think the two machines (670ZX and 680ZX) are fundamentally the same -- you cannot go wrong with either one! On Oct 15, 2006, at 10:00 PM, John D. wrote: New member here with a question about Nak CR3A I just purchsed. From what I understand about 20% of these decks were manufactured in Japan, which mine was. I would like to know what the difference is, if any, in the Japanese compared to the Taiwan manufacture. Are all parts the same? or just some put together in Japan, and some put together in Taiwan. Thanks, John D. One more question, don't see too much discussion about the 670ZX, is there a big difference between it and the 680ZX? I'm thinking about picking up one or the other. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Oct 16 07:34:04 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:34:04 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re LX-3 sound Message-ID: Thanks Kermit, I may have to go that way. Expensive in AU$ though! David >Kermit wrote: >Hi David, >Your Nakamichi LX-3 merely needs a good calibration with proper alignment tapes, especially Dolby Level and bias on the low-level channel you can send it out. Alternatively, fellow Nak member Luis Pertomara (sorry if I misspelled your last name, Luis!) sells a quite good set of calibration and alignment tapes. You can find them on eBay usually. On Oct 15, 2006, at 3:13 AM, David Thompson wrote: > I have been attempting to tune up my LX-3. I reckon I have the > heads aligned > pretty well using test tones recorded on a Cassette Deck 1. > However, the > higher frequency sounds are noticeably duller on the LX-3 > especially with > Dolby on. Same when compared to the 582. Recording on the LX-3 is > not too > good with very low level on the right channel. The cam adjustments are > correct and I have replaced orange caps. I would appreciate any > pointers on > what to tackle. > > David Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Oct 16 13:56:29 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:56:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Micro Seiki VF 3100/5 Cartridge is it any good?! Message-ID: <556.93f0b96.3264cd6d@aol.com> DEAR KERMIT! WOW! That would be great! Yes please do send! I AM SO EXCITED!!) With your Genius I have do doubt already that my rig will sound AWESOME! You are a FANTASTIC AND VERY GENEROUS GUY! not many like you left! Many Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 16 15:05:29 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:05:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45338399.6000305@rcn.com> jerryjg wrote: > Thats not just any Pumpkin. Thats a special pumpkin chosen > for the right size weight and texture. Set atop a nakamichi, or any > good componont, it will provide a very noticable organic shaping of the > midrange and asthetic rounding of the high frquencies -just make > certain it doesnt "roll off" completely.This can be done by proper > placemant, and fully detailed instructions are included .I'm selling > these for 49.99, shipping included. Want one > Ron? You forgot to mention the pumpkin gives the music a mellow taste. Best with a sprinkle of cinnamon. -- Ron > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:07:36 -0500, Mikkel Breiler wrote: > >> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:27:26 -0500, jerryjg wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> -- HI girls(?!) and Boys, heres my 2nd Tri-Tracer I had been wanting >>> for a >>> long time. ................. Seeing these pictures however does kindle a >>> warm feeling of glee afterall. >> >> Hmm what is the pumpkin for? Holding down a lid or button? >> >> -Mikkel >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 16 17:10:18 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer Message-ID: <20061016151018.30351.qmail@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I find Jerry's photo album very convenient. So here is my start. http://my.opera.com/79labs/albums/show.dml?id=148373 Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs ----- Original Message ---- From: Kermit Gray To: mibm at tdcadsl.dk; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 12:59:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer On Oct 15, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:54:10 -0500, Kermit Gray waters.com> wrote: > >> ...the entire 1970s model line. I'll have to grow several more >> pairs of ears to be able to listen to them all simultaneously. >> Maybe gene splicing technology? Sigh.... > > Or extend your life using gene technology. See how many generations > the Naks can hold > up to. > > My current plans involve getting my only Nak working, using the > least effort and > money. So far I have the remote connector. I nend to build a small > transport panel to > hook up through the remote socket. the decks front transport panel > and parts of the > display are busted. Oh, ouch! That makes me cringe thinking about the front panel being busted. What model Nak? I have a spare 600 (or 600-II) front panel, I think. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Oct 16 17:51:55 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: <20061016155155.91693.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >I'm not a big fan of data compression, lossless or otherwise. I'd >enjoy hearing your experience with the different data compression >schemes. Well, if it's lossless compression, you can't hear a difference with a compression-free format, the end result is the same thing. The difference is the size of the file and compatibility with different software. Every lossless and no compression formats (WAV, FLAC, WMA-Lossless, AIFF, RAW PCM) at the same kHz/bit will sound the same, they all keep the data as it is originally coming from the ADC's input. >Wow! You mean there's a software OTHER THAN professional DAWs that >has 32 bit editing! Fab! I must grab one of these for myself! >DEFINITELY doing all the processing and mixing at 32 bit then >downconverting to 16 bit is better than working in either 16 bit or >24 bit. My first DAw was a Studer Dyaxis -- it was only 16 bit but it >did sound wonderful -- until you did heavy editing or processing. Audacity (Open Source) can save and edit FLAC(which is also open source), WAV, OGG, etc. and has 32-bit editing. It's not the easiest to use and you'll probably need quite a few plugins. You'll probably need 3rd party effects, note also that is supports VST plugins. Antoine __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Oct 16 23:04:25 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:04:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer In-Reply-To: <53809AE2-D097-4061-92FB-389454606DFD@woods-and-waters.com> References: <53809AE2-D097-4061-92FB-389454606DFD@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <7fEzRSpnRtl8vm6Z2e3nuWDYM+jE@4ax.com> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:59:01 -0500, Kermit Gray wrote: > >On Oct 15, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Mikkel Breiler wrote: > >> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:54:10 -0500, Kermit Gray > waters.com> wrote: >> >>> ...the entire 1970s model line. I'll have to grow several more >>> pairs of ears to be able to listen to them all simultaneously. >>> Maybe gene splicing technology? Sigh.... >> >> Or extend your life using gene technology. See how many generations >> the Naks can hold >> up to. >> >> My current plans involve getting my only Nak working, using the >> least effort and >> money. So far I have the remote connector. I nend to build a small >> transport panel to >> hook up through the remote socket. the decks front transport panel >> and parts of the >> display are busted. > >Oh, ouch! That makes me cringe thinking about the front panel being >busted. What model Nak? I have a spare 600 (or 600-II) front panel, I >think. CR-3E I believe, it is packed away somewhere when I get a service manual for it I will take it out and buy a a foot or two of multilead cable and see if I can make the transport work using the remote, if I can I will make a small enclosure with push-buttons so I can activate it. I might even try to clean up the front a bit and fabricate a transportpanel that doubles to the remote connector. How I will repair the meter I haven't really worked on yet. Perhaps I can desolder the meter from the pcb and make it work. It simply depends upon the kind of damage. Of course in the end I might need another damaged deck as a parts donor, all I have to make sure is that th transport panel, meters and any other broken stuff on mine is working on the donor. i.e. a parts donor can be without the top cover, or miss the transformer or the heads or something. The deck I got did not die because due to faulty components, as it was damaged physically by children, and rendered inoperable. I can't tell what it was they smashed into it, but the deck may just have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. If I can't make mine work one way or the other I will put it up on the list for parts. -Mikkel From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 17 03:50:07 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: <20061017015007.74170.qmail@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Not opening a can of worms here, but what exactly does 'Lossless' mean here? As it is, non-compessed PCM 44.1K format had already been critizised for not having enough resolution to capture music. If you take that, and throw bits out (using the compression algorithm of course), you are losing information aren't you? One of the best compression I've ever heard is ATRAC, especially the 'R' version. However, even this has some shortcomings, especially when listening to LP transcription. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs ----- Original Message ---- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:51:55 PM Subject: Re : [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings >I'm not a big fan of data compression, lossless or otherwise. I'd >enjoy hearing your experience with the different data compression >schemes. Well, if it's lossless compression, you can't hear a difference with a compression-free format, the end result is the same thing. The difference is the size of the file and compatibility with different software. Every lossless and no compression formats (WAV, FLAC, WMA-Lossless, AIFF, RAW PCM) at the same kHz/bit will sound the same, they all keep the data as it is originally coming from the ADC's input. >Wow! You mean there's a software OTHER THAN professional DAWs that >has 32 bit editing! Fab! I must grab one of these for myself! >DEFINITELY doing all the processing and mixing at 32 bit then >downconverting to 16 bit is better than working in either 16 bit or >24 bit. My first DAw was a Studer Dyaxis -- it was only 16 bit but it >did sound wonderful -- until you did heavy editing or processing. Audacity (Open Source) can save and edit FLAC(which is also open source), WAV, OGG, etc. and has 32-bit editing. It's not the easiest to use and you'll probably need quite a few plugins. You'll probably need 3rd party effects, note also that is supports VST plugins. Antoine __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 04:07:51 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:07:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <20061017015007.74170.qmail@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061017015007.74170.qmail@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110610161907u1ff79762o7de284c5e205508b@mail.gmail.com> The audio format into which the audio stream is initially stored will always be lossy compared to the actual source sounds no matter what I think :-) We could argue all day about preferred digital audio formats for capturing data, but lossy vs. lossless compression refers to how that data is compressed for storage/transport/dissemination later. Lossy compression would mean any compression algorithm that irretrievably alters data in compressing it such that, even if the uncompressed file is close enough to the original, data has still been lost. This typically results in generation loss where subsequent re-compressions of the same data will eventually result in a file lacking in useful qualities whatsoever. A good comparison would be mp3 vs. flac. While a WAV file compressed with an mp3 codec will sound differently depending on the quality of the encoder, the more complex the file or picky the listener, an mp3-compressed file can be significantly lacking in depth, detail, headroom, and resulting in smearing of percussive sounds and the like. Flac, however, actually loses no data whatsoever and extracts to a file whose audio stream is perfectly intact. -Tim On 10/16/06, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Not opening a can of worms here, but what exactly does > 'Lossless' mean here? As it is, non-compessed PCM 44.1K format had already > been critizised for not having enough resolution to capture music. If you > take that, and throw bits out (using the compression algorithm of course), > you are losing information aren't you? > > One of the best compression I've ever heard is ATRAC, especially the 'R' > version. However, even this has some shortcomings, especially when listening > to LP transcription. > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Antoine Deschênes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:51:55 PM > Subject: Re : [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings > > >I'm not a big fan of data compression, lossless or otherwise. I'd > >enjoy hearing your experience with the different data compression > >schemes. > > Well, if it's lossless compression, you can't hear a difference with a > compression-free format, the end result is the same thing. The difference is > the size of the file and compatibility with different software. > > Every lossless and no compression formats (WAV, FLAC, WMA-Lossless, AIFF, > RAW PCM) at the same kHz/bit will sound the same, they all keep the data as > it is originally coming from the ADC's input. > > >Wow! You mean there's a software OTHER THAN professional DAWs that > >has 32 bit editing! Fab! I must grab one of these for myself! > >DEFINITELY doing all the processing and mixing at 32 bit then > >downconverting to 16 bit is better than working in either 16 bit or > >24 bit. My first DAw was a Studer Dyaxis -- it was only 16 bit but it > >did sound wonderful -- until you did heavy editing or processing. > > Audacity (Open Source) can save and edit FLAC(which is also open source), > WAV, OGG, etc. and has 32-bit editing. It's not the easiest to use and > you'll probably need quite a few plugins. You'll probably need 3rd party > effects, note also that is supports VST plugins. > > Antoine > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? > magasinage.yahoo.ca > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 17 04:11:05 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: <20061017021105.55596.qmail@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I didn't know how to explain it, but the Wikipedia definition explains it well : Lossless data compression is a class of data compression algorithms that allows the exact original data to be reconstructed from the compressed data. This can be contrasted to lossy data compression, which does not allow the exact original data to be reconstructed from the compressed data. Lossless data compression is used in many applications. For example, it is used in the popular ZIP file format and in the Unix tool gzip. It is also often used as a component within lossy data compression technologies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_data_compression I don't see why uncompressed PCM could have a lack of definition against a compressed format coming from the same PCM stream. Lossless is reducing the number of bits when you don't need them : Say you have a couple of samples during a quiet part, well, there are some bits that are only used at higher levels that are being written on the disk for absolutely nothing when the format is uncompressed, that's what lossless audio compression is doing. > If you take that, and throw bits out (using the compression algorithm of course), you are losing > information aren't you? Yes, but lossless is different, the compression algorithm is removing what's not used. PCM 16-bit 44.1kHz is critisized because 16-bit isn't providing enough gain difference for our ears (In fact, it can handle some more than our hear can, but the problem is that there are peaks reducing a big part of it.) Some claim that 44.1kHz isn't enough because the higher level harmonics influence lower hearable frequencies, that's true, but if these influences can be captured by our hear, why couldn't the microphone record them the same way? Well, adding these harmonics could change the sound since they'll be playing in your listening room, which will add it's own sound to them. The problem is to find a player without low pass filters, a microphone that can record them and speakers that can play them.(And to make sure that the amp has no problems with that) Antoine Deschênes ----- Message initial ---- De : Bala Ganesh Chandra À : Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Envoyé le : lundi 16 octobre 2006, 21 h 50 min 07 s Objet : Re: Re : [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Hi guys, Not opening a can of worms here, but what exactly does 'Lossless' mean here? As it is, non-compessed PCM 44.1K format had already been critizised for not having enough resolution to capture music. If you take that, and throw bits out (using the compression algorithm of course), you are losing information aren't you? One of the best compression I've ever heard is ATRAC, especially the 'R' version. However, even this has some shortcomings, especially when listening to LP transcription. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs ----- Original Message ---- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:51:55 PM Subject: Re : [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings >I'm not a big fan of data compression, lossless or otherwise. I'd >enjoy hearing your experience with the different data compression >schemes. Well, if it's lossless compression, you can't hear a difference with a compression-free format, the end result is the same thing. The difference is the size of the file and compatibility with different software. Every lossless and no compression formats (WAV, FLAC, WMA-Lossless, AIFF, RAW PCM) at the same kHz/bit will sound the same, they all keep the data as it is originally coming from the ADC's input. >Wow! You mean there's a software OTHER THAN professional DAWs that >has 32 bit editing! Fab! I must grab one of these for myself! >DEFINITELY doing all the processing and mixing at 32 bit then >downconverting to 16 bit is better than working in either 16 bit or >24 bit. My first DAw was a Studer Dyaxis -- it was only 16 bit but it >did sound wonderful -- until you did heavy editing or processing. Audacity (Open Source) can save and edit FLAC(which is also open source), WAV, OGG, etc. and has 32-bit editing. It's not the easiest to use and you'll probably need quite a few plugins. You'll probably need 3rd party effects, note also that is supports VST plugins. 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URL: From jwkrieger at earthlink.net Tue Oct 17 04:46:03 2006 From: jwkrieger at earthlink.net (John D.) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:46:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Question about NAK CR3 References: <20061016052625.80100.qmail@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01c6f196$642591d0$e3e4e804@john076c11cf62> Thanks Kermit & Bala for the insight on the 670ZX. Does anyone have any info or opinions on my first question about the CR3 made in Japan. Thanks, John D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question about NAK CR3 Hi Guys, Ok, the fact the both decks look and behave so much alike is deceiving. The 680ZX is quite different from the 680ZX. The 670ZX is a little warmer and relaxed sounding. For casual night-time listening, I prefer this baby. The 680ZX, is more of a Formula 1 engine. Detailed, wide-band response and incredible fidelity. Its the deck I use when I want to make some digital-hyping teen's jaw drop (ok at least till the ZXLs came along). Its got that trademarklow frequencies (if your speakers can produce it) and fantastic dynamics. And yes..those mesmerizing meters... Enjoy Kermit, you've got the best one! Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs ----- Original Message ---- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 12:22:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question about NAK CR3 Hi John, Take it from a 680ZX owner, I'd say grab the 680ZX! Customarily, I prefer the analog style metering of the 670ZX to the 680Zx, but the 680ZX's bargraph meter has multi-functions and can display both peak and average levels simultaneously, reminiscent of the Dorrough 40A meters. The 680ZX meter is among the most useful of any level meter I've encountered in a cassette deck! Otherwise, I think the two machines (670ZX and 680ZX) are fundamentally the same -- you cannot go wrong with either one! On Oct 15, 2006, at 10:00 PM, John D. wrote: New member here with a question about Nak CR3A I just purchsed. From what I understand about 20% of these decks were manufactured in Japan, which mine was. I would like to know what the difference is, if any, in the Japanese compared to the Taiwan manufacture. Are all parts the same? or just some put together in Japan, and some put together in Taiwan. Thanks, John D. One more question, don't see too much discussion about the 670ZX, is there a big difference between it and the 680ZX? 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Yap) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:14:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL/DR10 Message-ID: See if you can find out what part he replaced by cannibalization—both so you know and for those of us who may need to do a similar thing (depending on the part).-kby From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 17 07:47:22 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fw: Re : Re : [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: <20061017054722.62095.qmail@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well my 680ZX, or better my 1000ZXL gets as low as that :) You are right about the higher order harmonics influencing the sound, especially those well within the audible range. And thats where higher resolution format like SACD kick in. But if you compare the signal fed into the ADC, and the result from the whole digital signal chain, there is a significant different. Digital Music Compression is here to stay. Without it, streaming media is not possible and packing thousands of songs in a single hard drive would be unthinkable. But I wouldn't rank it hi-fidelity, not even near the Nak600. Its like trying to replace good ole' sunshine with a bank of LEDs. Bala Ganesh 79Labs ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11:05 AM Subject: Re : Re : [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings I didn't know how to explain it, but the Wikipedia definition explains it well : Lossless data compression is a class of data compression algorithms that allows the exact original data to be reconstructed from the compressed data. This can be contrasted to lossy data compression, which does not allow the exact original data to be reconstructed from the compressed data. Lossless data compression is used in many applications. For example, it is used in the popular ZIP file format and in the Unix tool gzip. It is also often used as a component within lossy data compression technologies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_data_compression I don't see why uncompressed PCM could have a lack of definition against a compressed format coming from the same PCM stream. Lossless is reducing the number of bits when you don't need them : Say you have a couple of samples during a quiet part, well, there are some bits that are only used at higher levels that are being written on the disk for absolutely nothing when the format is uncompressed, that's what lossless audio compression is doing. > If you take that, and throw bits out (using the compression algorithm of course), you are losing > information aren't you? Yes, but lossless is different, the compression algorithm is removing what's not used. PCM 16-bit 44.1kHz is critisized because 16-bit isn't providing enough gain difference for our ears (In fact, it can handle some more than our hear can, but the problem is that there are peaks reducing a big part of it.) Some claim that 44.1kHz isn't enough because the higher level harmonics influence lower hearable frequencies, that's true, but if these influences can be captured by our hear, why couldn't the microphone record them the same way? Well, adding these harmonics could change the sound since they'll be playing in your listening room, which will add it's own sound to them. The problem is to find a player without low pass filters, a microphone that can record them and speakers that can play them.(And to make sure that the amp has no problems with that) Antoine Deschênes ----- Message initial ---- De : Bala Ganesh Chandra À : Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Envoyé le : lundi 16 octobre 2006, 21 h 50 min 07 s Objet : Re: Re : [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Hi guys, Not opening a can of worms here, but what exactly does 'Lossless' mean here? As it is, non-compessed PCM 44.1K format had already been critizised for not having enough resolution to capture music. If you take that, and throw bits out (using the compression algorithm of course), you are losing information aren't you? One of the best compression I've ever heard is ATRAC, especially the 'R' version. However, even this has some shortcomings, especially when listening to LP transcription. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs ----- Original Message ---- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:51:55 PM Subject: Re : [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings >I'm not a big fan of data compression, lossless or otherwise. I'd >enjoy hearing your experience with the different data compression >schemes. Well, if it's lossless compression, you can't hear a difference with a compression-free format, the end result is the same thing. The difference is the size of the file and compatibility with different software. Every lossless and no compression formats (WAV, FLAC, WMA-Lossless, AIFF, RAW PCM) at the same kHz/bit will sound the same, they all keep the data as it is originally coming from the ADC's input. >Wow! You mean there's a software OTHER THAN professional DAWs that >has 32 bit editing! Fab! I must grab one of these for myself! >DEFINITELY doing all the processing and mixing at 32 bit then >downconverting to 16 bit is better than working in either 16 bit or >24 bit. My first DAw was a Studer Dyaxis -- it was only 16 bit but it >did sound wonderful -- until you did heavy editing or processing. Audacity (Open Source) can save and edit FLAC(which is also open source), WAV, OGG, etc. and has 32-bit editing. It's not the easiest to use and you'll probably need quite a few plugins. You'll probably need 3rd party effects, note also that is supports VST plugins. 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What about the samples when the pots were lifted ? in other words, the very term "Sampling Rate" in digitisation is representative of the fact : "altho much of the data is gotten to disk part of it has also been thrown away without discretion." Added to this are a bunch of codecs ... throwing out more and more data from it .... the lossless ones merely compressing it as best as they can. Best Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Tue Oct 17 12:47:23 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Help with finding tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061017104723.52697.qmail@web50013.mail.yahoo.com> thanks for getting back with me Mikkel I don't know really how much it would cost me to bring those tapes over here I am afraid probaly to much. but I do appreciate your time. I would be nice to have a picture of what you do have. Here I will send you some pictures of what I have. see ya Russ --- Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:27:42 -0700 (PDT), Russ Seals > wrote: > > > > > > >-Is there anybody in the FortWorth Dallas area that > >can tell me where to buy some TDK-SA tapes.Really > >closer to FortWorth. > > For small quantity I have some 80s and 90s TDK-SA > used and unused. > > Actually I believe I have used from going back to > 1979. And I believe that 1983 and > 1988 may be unused. > > Shrinkwrapped unused will look great right next to > your deck! :) But since I am in > Denmark it would probably make most sense to have a > few timeline tapes, perhaps just > the unused shrinkwrapped pieces for your deck. > Slip me an email if you want some specific year and > wether used or unused and I will > see what I have in those years. > > 1979 is with the vintage black & clear shell, all > the others years are the clear > shell. > > -Mikkel > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 17 15:50:06 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:50:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4534DF8E.7070400@rcn.com> s b wrote: > > In my personal opinion, the very act of digitisation of analog source is > a lossy method in itself. Yes, but in a very well defined and understood way. If certain conditions are (for example, the sampling rate must is at least twice the highest frequency present) there is no loss and the original analog signal can be almost fully and exactly reconstructed from the digital stream. > Consider a stream (of water) flowing and you dipping a row of pots in > the water and considering those samples as representative of the stream. > What about the samples when the pots were lifted ? I'm afraid your example is not analogous to what is happening in signal processing. As a result, your conclusion: > in other words, the very term "Sampling Rate" in digitisation is > representative of the fact : > "altho much of the data is gotten to disk part of it has also been > thrown away without discretion." ... is incorrect. NOTHING is thrown out during digitization when these certain conditions are met. If you are really interested in the subject of discrete systems, I recommend the books 'An Introduction to Discrete Systems' by Kenneth Steiglitz and 'Digital Signal Processing' By Alan Oppemheimer. These two books were considered 'the Bible' of the subject way back when I went to school. -- Ron > Added to this are a bunch of codecs ... throwing out more and more data > from it .... the lossless ones merely compressing it as best as they can. > > Best > Soumi From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 16 23:11:57 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:11:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Half speed tinkering In-Reply-To: <200610151802.k9FI2ibP013470@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061016161157.00825600@earthlink.net> Horray! That pulley observation is neat. That kind of thoughtful engineering blows my mind! tom brucker At 08:02 PM 10/15/06 +0200, you wrote: >>>> Tom, You were absolutely right about the cam adjustments. I did finally get the 680 to work again adjusting this cam. I was not prepared to the amount of mis adjustment and to the interaction the play and stop adjustments have. I will now look at the warm up chnges and leave the 680 running for day or so. Thanks for your apt and concise instructions. I will make a gentleman with many precious half speed recordings very happy ( you do , in fact). Next time I will take more time to value your suggestions! By the way; I found out the 680 uses a smaller than usual puley on the capstan motor to be able to run at half speed. This apparently to avoid problems with speed stability caused by cogging of the motor at running to slow a speed. So modding a deck to half speed is not just a electronical adjustment. You said it would not be that easy, and I see your point now. Many thanks and keep listening to the Naks. Henk Schenk Rotterdam Netherlands http://nakamichi.sinttruijen.nl ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 17 15:57:17 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:57:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <20061017015007.74170.qmail@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061017085717.00826330@earthlink.net> All digital systems are lossy. Discontinuous. Lossless compression does not eliminate samples that are algorythmically (is that a word?) defined as inaudible. ATRAC is one of the worst IMO. Listen to piano notes! tom brucker At 06:50 PM 10/16/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi guys, Not opening a can of worms here, but what exactly does 'Lossless' mean here? As it is, non-compessed PCM 44.1K format had already been critizised for not having enough resolution to capture music. If you take that, and throw bits out (using the compression algorithm of course), you are losing information aren't you? One of the best compression I've ever heard is ATRAC, especially the 'R' version. However, even this has some shortcomings, especially when listening to LP transcription. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs ----- Original Message ---- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:51:55 PM Subject: Re : [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings >I'm not a big fan of data compression, lossless or otherwise. I'd >enjoy hearing your experience with the different data compression >schemes. Well, if it's lossless compression, you can't hear a difference with a compression-free format, the end result is the same thing. The difference is the size of the file and compatibility with different software. Every lossless and no compression formats (WAV, FLAC, WMA-Lossless, AIFF, RAW PCM) at the same kHz/bit will sound the same, they all keep the data as it is originally coming from the ADC's input. >Wow! You mean there's a software OTHER THAN professional DAWs that >has 32 bit editing! Fab! I must grab one of these for myself! >DEFINITELY doing all the processing and mixing at 32 bit then >downconverting to 16 bit is better than working in either 16 bit or >24 bit. My first DAw was a Studer Dyaxis -- it was only 16 bit but it >did sound wonderful -- until you did heavy editing or processing. Audacity (Open Source) can save and edit FLAC(which is also open source), WAV, OGG, etc. and has 32-bit editing. It's not the easiest to use and you'll probably need quite a few plugins. You'll probably need 3rd party effects, note also that is supports VST plugins. Antoine __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 17 15:45:31 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:45:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question In-Reply-To: References: <20061013155622.36847.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061017084531.00824630@earthlink.net> Here is my opinion. It is not based on measurements, but is grounded in extensive listening to good music on good systems, and live music. Warmth is often thought of as midrange -centric. Sounds that are warm seem to lack shrillness. Low sounds take their time. Nothing sounds pushy or insistent. I believe warmth is a subtractive quality- that there is a common distortion missing from the sounds. When we think of distortion we want to run to the spec sheet and make comparisons, however the distortion I hear is in most digital sources. I believe it is rooted in the mistaken psychoacoustic masking shortcut that leads engineers towards lossy data systems. I believe some of us can hear the losses and decode the distortions as "not warm". The simplest examples are old 2x cd players. There was just no way to make them listenable without running the signal through a tube stage. Many felt tubes added "warmth", however I believe tubes failed to distort (a good thing!) the data losses created by the digital encode/decode system. If you listen to live music, voice, or even sounds, there are transients that cue us and tell us the sound is live. Recordings, evemn analog signal chains, can supress these transients, or exaggerate them (resonances) to the point that warmth is lost. What I want to hear in recorded music is the natural transients and the subtraction of the loss-based distortions from the signal. I would not use the "warm" descriptor. I would use "accurate" or "natural" adjectives, but I believe after years of listening to these distorted sounds the typical person hears "warmth". Tubes still do their job. Digital has gotten a lot better, but SACD et al are still lossy. A Nakamichi that sounds warm may roll the response, soften the bass, or be distortion free. Perhaps recording digital on cd just smooths things out, and tape hiss makes a wonderful dither. While Nakamichis were better than the lot in any distortion measurements (tape is shockingly non-linear at peak levels) they also progressed sound wise to lower audible distortion by engneering focused on preventing tape saturation. It is remarkable that the higher bias levels required for metal tape caused nakamichi to only redesign the ERASE heads, having had the headroom :) in the R/P heads all along. We certainly grew up with analog tape sound. A close examination of our listening preferences may reveal that we like the cues tape sound provides, and when we like a sound, we say it is warm. tom brucker At 10:54 AM 10/15/06 +1300, you wrote: >>>> I suppose we all know that Nakamichi (so they tell us) used to have a kind of concert room by which they could test that their products sounded natural - that is, that they imitated the sound of a 'live' concert. But even then, concert halls differ. Some sound warm, some sound 'distant', some might even muddy the sound. Who's to say what the standard is? And just as some cartridges better suit classical music (so it is claimed) while others are do better with rock or jazz, perhaps the 'darker' sound of a Dragon/ZX may sound better for one piece of music than the slightly different sound of a CR 7? For example, my Ortofon XR5-MC high output moving coil is much more transparent than my Grado Prestige Gold [and here I would add a little aside for Alex: although as you say there is no free lunch, we can't all afford to dine at the Ritz!!]. But when listening to a string quartet, with its mere four players and spare tone, I need the warmth of the Grado; in fact, even Linda Rondstadt's recordings made with Nelson Riddle are, to my ear, more ENJOYABLE with the Grado than with the clearer Ortofon. But with more complex music, I might prefer the Ortofon's ability to sort things out. Even if this is true, however, by and large I'm inclined to believe that a more expensive Nak deck with superior electronics should produce a more agreeable sound for any kind of music than one of the bottom-ranking 2-head decks. And once again, why are the vintage Japanese-made Naks 'warmer' than the later models? Bernard ---------- From: Bob Naylor Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk]Decca cartridge setup Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:56:22 -0700 (PDT) That's a perfect description Ron.?Example, my son who's in his early 20's likes strong bass and I prefer natural bass like my Bose speakers deliver. He and I will never agree on what sounds the best. Bob Ron wrote: Very interesting treatise. I would have loved to read the 'quite a few hard drives-full of very technical information'. Some of it, probably very true; some of it, probably not. The question: why does some equipment sound good while some doesn't? The postulate: our ears introduce distortion and we 'prefer audio equipment that creates distortion resembling that of our individual Inherent Distortion Profile'. Does this make any sense whatsoever? Won't such equipment simply double the distortion we perceive (it will add its own distortion to whatever distortion our hearing mechanism normally engenders)? Our sense of vision provides an interesting analogy: in physical reality, the human eye inverts everything we see. (However, from a very early age, out brain inverts the physical image it receives so as to provide a perception that matches the physical reality.) Does the argument that we prefer to view inverted photographs (since they better match what our eyes see) make any sense? Guess not! The truth of the matter is that whatever distortion our ears produce is immaterial to the equipment we prefer. It's simply why the same sound may be perceived differently by different people. People's preferences of audio equipment come in roughly (very roughly) two flavours. Some people (I'll call them 'sujectivists') prefer equipment that sounds good to them, regardless of similarity or lack thereof to the original sound. Other people (I'll call them 'objectivists') prefer equipment that sounds accurate; that is, as close as possible to the original sound. These two groups of people will always disagree -- their goals are not just different, but actually opposed. -- Ron Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Bernard! > > On Oct 12, 2006, at 1:58 AM, Bernard White wrote: > >> In theory, I suppose, a recording machine should not ADD anything - >> and the better the recorder the more that should be true. But I >> suspect that each Nak has its own soundprint which will 'colour' a >> recording made on that machine. CAN ANYONE COMMENT ON THIS? >> > > Here's something to consider. Submitted for your approval, a radical > hypothesis seeking to explain listener preferences for one recorder over > another, or analog to digital, digital to analog, valve to solid state > electronic! s, solid state to valve electronics and so on. In other > words, why can't we as the body of audio enthusiasts reach a consensus > as to what is the one best recorder, amplifier or whatever? Why is it > that some equipment with excellent specs sounds awful while > other equipment with mediocre specs sounds wonderful? Why is it that my > favorite-sounding Nakamichi models are the 500, 550, 600/600-II, > 700 series, 1000 series and 680ZX while others prefer the Dragon or the > CR-7? > > I've just finished the preliminary analysis of some research I've been > conducting for years into listener preferences. I emphasize that the > following hypothesis is quite preliminary, but the evidence I've > gathered does seem to support the hypothesis. First, some background. > Did you know the human ear itself creates distortion and that this > distortion can be measured with a fair degree of certainty? It's > true. Non-linearity inherent to the mechanical nature of the human ear > causes audible distortion not present in the original sound. This > distortion is generated within the ear by inter-modulation of a spectral > complex, itself containing possible masked components. A fancy way of > saying that two or more tones create distortion by a principle analogous > to the mechanism of intermodulation distortion in loudspeakers. > > Now here's the interesting bit: we all vary as to how much distortion > our ear produces at a given frequency at a given SPL. Some of us produce > more even-order nonlinearities and some of us produce more odd-order > nonlinearities; the "mix" (or ratio) of even-order nonlinearities to > odd-order nonlinearities varies by frequency and by SPL. This creates > what I refer to as an Inherent Distortion Profile. > > To cut through quite a few hard drives-full of very technical > information, in short, we tend to prefer audio equipment that creates > distortion resembling that of our individual Inherent Distortion > Profile. If you had a full analysis of your ear's Inherent Distortion > Profile and a piece of equipment's distortion plotted versus frequency > and versus level, then you could predict what equipment you'd prefer > with some certainty. > > Which Nakamichi is "best," or which cartridge is "best"? The one that, > in combination with your other equipment, most closely matches the > inherent nonlinearities of your own ears! > > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Need more speed? 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kmashlan at shaw.ca Wed Oct 18 16:33:08 2006 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:33:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help with finding tapes In-Reply-To: <20061017104723.52697.qmail@web50013.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014901c6f2c2$54e181c0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> Try www.tapes.com or www.tapecenter.com Tapes.com has SA-60s for 99c each, and tapecenter is more expensive (1.28), but has also 90 mins, SA-X etc. Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Russ Seals Sent: October 17, 2006 3:47 AM To: mibm at tdcadsl.dk; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help with finding tapes thanks for getting back with me Mikkel I don't know really how much it would cost me to bring those tapes over here I am afraid probaly to much. but I do appreciate your time. I would be nice to have a picture of what you do have. Here I will send you some pictures of what I have. see ya Russ --- Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:27:42 -0700 (PDT), Russ Seals > wrote: > > > > > > >-Is there anybody in the FortWorth Dallas area that > >can tell me where to buy some TDK-SA tapes.Really > >closer to FortWorth. > > For small quantity I have some 80s and 90s TDK-SA > used and unused. > > Actually I believe I have used from going back to > 1979. And I believe that 1983 and > 1988 may be unused. > > Shrinkwrapped unused will look great right next to > your deck! :) But since I am in > Denmark it would probably make most sense to have a > few timeline tapes, perhaps just > the unused shrinkwrapped pieces for your deck. > Slip me an email if you want some specific year and > wether used or unused and I will > see what I have in those years. > > 1979 is with the vintage black & clear shell, all > the others years are the clear > shell. > > -Mikkel > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 17 16:38:49 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:38:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <4534DF8E.7070400@rcn.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061017093849.00826b20@earthlink.net> Ron, Theory is nice, but digital sampling is an instantaneous measurement during a specific time interval. During sampling, the input signal is "frozen". Common sense tells us that this signal is always changing, so the act of freezing creates losses. It does not matter what the sample frequency is. Even sigma delta methods cannot measure true transient changes. Isn't it odd that our brains CAN hear the differences! An excellent lesson can be had by looking at digital video. Once you learn to recognize the sampling and compression artifacts, your tv life will never be the same, and you will take the digital engineering claims of perfection with a grain of salt. The bottom line is, less processing sounds more lifelike. I had an opportunity to listen to an acetate cut by Ken Love, a disc mastering engineer here in nashville, on an excellent stereo. Ken was trying to cut at very high velocities. He was sure what he had cut could not be tracked, but the table/arm/cartridge sounded perfect. I was hearing something entirely different! A record, with 3 stages of record manufacturing eliminated! It is easily the best 5 minutes of vinyl I've ever heard. Digital recordings of live music compare well with analog, but analog still wins. Digital processing can preserve 100% of the data to the output stage, however in practice clock rate and data format conversions, and even D/A A/D midstage conversions are the norm, cluttering up the original sound in an audible manner. tom brucker At 09:50 AM 10/17/06 -0400, you wrote: >s b wrote: >> >> In my personal opinion, the very act of digitisation of analog source is >> a lossy method in itself. > >Yes, but in a very well defined and understood way. If >certain conditions are (for example, the sampling rate >must is at least twice the highest frequency present) >there is no loss and the original analog signal can be >almost fully and exactly reconstructed from the digital >stream. > >> Consider a stream (of water) flowing and you dipping a row of pots in >> the water and considering those samples as representative of the stream. >> What about the samples when the pots were lifted ? > >I'm afraid your example is not analogous to what is >happening in signal processing. As a result, your >conclusion: > >> in other words, the very term "Sampling Rate" in digitisation is >> representative of the fact : >> "altho much of the data is gotten to disk part of it has also been >> thrown away without discretion." > >... is incorrect. NOTHING is thrown out during digitization >when these certain conditions are met. > >If you are really interested in the subject of discrete >systems, I recommend the books 'An Introduction to Discrete >Systems' by Kenneth Steiglitz and 'Digital Signal Processing' >By Alan Oppemheimer. These two books were considered 'the >Bible' of the subject way back when I went to school. > >-- Ron > > >> Added to this are a bunch of codecs ... throwing out more and more data >> from it .... the lossless ones merely compressing it as best as they can. >> >> Best >> Soumi >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From marc at stager.com Tue Oct 17 18:14:39 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:14:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD In-Reply-To: <200610171439.k9HEd3Ji004961@zxe.naks.com> References: <200610171439.k9HEd3Ji004961@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20061017114554.02d74ae0@stager.com> At 10:39 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: Subject: Re: Re : Re : [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD s b wrote: > In my personal opinion, the very act of digitisation of analog source is > a lossy method in itself. Yes, but in a very well defined and understood way. If certain conditions are (for example, the sampling rate must is at least twice the highest frequency present) there is no loss and the original analog signal can be almost fully and exactly reconstructed from the digital stream. ... NOTHING is thrown out during digitization when these certain conditions are met. If you are really interested in the subject of discrete systems, I recommend the books 'An Introduction to Discrete Systems' by Kenneth Steiglitz and 'Digital Signal Processing' By Alan Oppemheimer. These two books were considered 'the Bible' of the subject way back when I went to school. -- Ron ========= Ron: Digital audio at 16 bits / 44.1Kb/second sampling rate is a primitive and mediocre method of recording music. It was established in 1983 when the most sophisticated home computer was an IBM PC-AT running at 12 mHz with a 20 mB hard drive and cost almost as much as a car. Like a low resolution photo, 16 bits gets all the colors but is grainy in that the dynamic steps are coarse. Compare a print from a 1.3 megapixel to 6 megapixel, for example. - There is a big difference. Like a grinding a fine steak into hamburger, then forming it back into its original shape... same meat, same vitamins, weight, but the taste and texture are completely different. Can it be ground finely enough to exactly replicate the original steak when reassembled? Likewise, on a good audio system, well recorded analogue music from clean, undamaged vinyl or a 7.5 IPS or faster reel tape, or even an metal or type 2 cassette made on a properly aligned Nakamichi cassette deck, will render the detail from a string section or brushes on a drum kit with greater realism than 16 bit digital. Room acoustics and subtle low level details that enhance the music, corrupted with the coarse grind of 16 bit digital, are not lost in the analogue domain. I find a small amount of surface noise or tape hiss unobtrusive and separate from the sounds of music, unlike the glare and dryness that digital recording imparts to low level and complex upper frequency sounds, and makes it tiresome to listen to. 24 bits represents a huge improvement and comes very close to analogue and the science exists now to make inexpensive CDs at this bit depth but the mass market is pretty ignorant about such things and is perfectly happy with 16/44.1 CDs - so the recording conglomerates will not be making any major changes anytime soon. Some instruments, like an a grand piano, will benefit from a more accurate speed stability and lower noise floor but I prefer 90% of my music recorded and played in the analogue domain - at least until 24 or 32 bit digital at a higher sampling rate than 44.1 KB.sec (to avoid distortion from steep HF filtering) becomes the standard. Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 17 18:42:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: <20061017164247.86687.qmail@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom's recollection reminds me of some Direct-to-Disk records that Denon and Toshiba made during the mid-70s. These were cut with no tape mix and due to the impressive dynamics, groove pitch was so wide only three songs could be put per side! But until today, only a Revox PR99 running at a full 15ips came close to capturing it. We have to admit that digital is here to stay - but to the people who have experienced the very best of it know the true answer. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:38:49 PM Subject: Re: Re : Re : [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Ron, Theory is nice, but digital sampling is an instantaneous measurement during a specific time interval. During sampling, the input signal is "frozen". Common sense tells us that this signal is always changing, so the act of freezing creates losses. It does not matter what the sample frequency is. Even sigma delta methods cannot measure true transient changes. Isn't it odd that our brains CAN hear the differences! An excellent lesson can be had by looking at digital video. Once you learn to recognize the sampling and compression artifacts, your tv life will never be the same, and you will take the digital engineering claims of perfection with a grain of salt. The bottom line is, less processing sounds more lifelike. I had an opportunity to listen to an acetate cut by Ken Love, a disc mastering engineer here in nashville, on an excellent stereo. Ken was trying to cut at very high velocities. He was sure what he had cut could not be tracked, but the table/arm/cartridge sounded perfect. I was hearing something entirely different! A record, with 3 stages of record manufacturing eliminated! It is easily the best 5 minutes of vinyl I've ever heard. Digital recordings of live music compare well with analog, but analog still wins. Digital processing can preserve 100% of the data to the output stage, however in practice clock rate and data format conversions, and even D/A A/D midstage conversions are the norm, cluttering up the original sound in an audible manner. tom brucker At 09:50 AM 10/17/06 -0400, you wrote: >s b wrote: >> >> In my personal opinion, the very act of digitisation of analog source is >> a lossy method in itself. > >Yes, but in a very well defined and understood way. If >certain conditions are (for example, the sampling rate >must is at least twice the highest frequency present) >there is no loss and the original analog signal can be >almost fully and exactly reconstructed from the digital >stream. > >> Consider a stream (of water) flowing and you dipping a row of pots in >> the water and considering those samples as representative of the stream. >> What about the samples when the pots were lifted ? > >I'm afraid your example is not analogous to what is >happening in signal processing. As a result, your >conclusion: > >> in other words, the very term "Sampling Rate" in digitisation is >> representative of the fact : >> "altho much of the data is gotten to disk part of it has also been >> thrown away without discretion." > >... is incorrect. NOTHING is thrown out during digitization >when these certain conditions are met. > >If you are really interested in the subject of discrete >systems, I recommend the books 'An Introduction to Discrete >Systems' by Kenneth Steiglitz and 'Digital Signal Processing' >By Alan Oppemheimer. These two books were considered 'the >Bible' of the subject way back when I went to school. > >-- Ron > > >> Added to this are a bunch of codecs ... throwing out more and more data >> from it .... the lossless ones merely compressing it as best as they can. >> >> Best >> Soumi >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Oct 17 19:23:06 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:23:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings Message-ID: <60AE27CF-5E56-4DCD-8AC6-1D7F77DDF2A2@alumni.caltech.edu> > Tom's recollection reminds me of some Direct-to-Disk records that > Denon and Toshiba made during the mid-70s. Don't forget Sheffield. I have one by them (only D2D I have; there weren't a whole lot I cared for the program). I also have one of the Angel Sonic Series disks that are 45RPM but 12". On the original topic and addressing Tom: > All digital systems are lossy. Discontinuous. > Lossless compression does not eliminate samples that are > algorythmically > (is that a word?) defined as inaudible. ATRAC is one of the worst IMO. > Listen to piano notes! I believe Bala's question wasn't asking about losses (real or imagined) in the process of conversion to digital (the A to D converter and also the ocnversion back), but in the various compression signals. That's a separate can of worms that is of course well-debated. The person who said lossless applies to the storing the digitized signal so you can get back exactly what came out of the A to D converter is correct. I'm certainly not the expert in compression algorithms, but I can give some simple examples of lossless compression in a non-audio real (the audio realm is the same principle). One thing that helps is that you can use certain information inherent in the way computer data is organized (at least today--for example the data is organized in groups of 8 bits--which wasn't always the case--and that there are only two kinds of bits--ones and zeroes--so in any group of 8 the number of ones + the number of zeroes=8--so, conversely if you only knew the number of "ones" you could figure out the number of zeroes--although not necessarily their positions). The simpliest kind of lossless compression (that I can think of) is RLE or run-length encoding. An example of this is the string: eeeee can all be "written" as: 5e as long as you "knew" (by the fact that this was the encoding algorithm) you could reconstruct the original string, but when stored as 5e, it only takes two groups of 8 (since each character takes one group), whereas the first string takes 5 groups of 8. Since we have to decide on how to tell the quantifiers (the "5") from the objects quantified (the "e"), let's decide that every other character is a quantifier (since, don't forget, "5" could actually be an object). Unfortunately, then this means that the string "a" converts to "1a" which is actually bigger--it takes two groups of 8 instead of 1, but if the string were "eeeeea" you'd still get a net savings if you converted it to "5e1a" for storage. Note that (like all compressions), how much compression you get (if any) is dependent on the actual content of the data. In the above example, if every character is different in the original string, you actually wind up with a string twice as big (worst case)! However, a lot of "real" data (including music) isn't as randomized and does have some inherent compressibility. Compressed data is pretty random and that's why recompressing it doesn't usually gain much if anything and often makes it bigger after the second compression. The next type I can remember--Huffman (sp?) encoding analyzes the patterns in data and rather than organizing the data internally as groups of 8, tries to rely on the fact that you can try to represent whatever is most common by the smallest size thing (by only remembering the number of 1s and having an order so you know where the one and zeroes are located in each arrangement. A table is stored at the beginng so you know what represents what-- again, compression overhead--but if the file is "com'ressible" then there is still a net gain. The more exotic algorithms continue to build on this kind of thing-- but the principle is that you can reconstruct the original stream of 1s and 0s exactly because you've pre-determined the rules and remembered in some way sufficient information to do the reconstruction. I'm pretty sure ALAC (the Apple Lossless Audio Compression) is of this variety. Lossless compressions generally only compress most average data (not special examples like above) by a factor of 2 to 4,. Compressions such as MP3 (for music) or JPEG (for photos) are lossy compressions--they try to analyze the data and pick what is (according to their standards) "unimportant" and actually throw it out before storage--this is how they get their incredible compression ratios of 10:1 or higher, depending how much you decide you're willing to lose. This is why they can't ever recover the original digital stream (let along the analogue wave form). Actually, I'd guess things like mpeg might rely on things that happen during D to A conversion to help decide what is "unimportant" in the original digital stream. I apologize to the purist mathematicians and heavy-duty CS types for this very overly simplifed (but hopefully not TOO inaccurate) description.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Oct 17 19:52:50 2006 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR2 repair/belt Message-ID: <20061017175250.63755.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> Left an MR2 I got from a studio with a local tech for a tuneup (was working, but seemed a little sluggish to start rewind/ff). I got back a quote for a $300 overhaul due to an incorrect belt that was too thick having been used as a replacement in an earlier repair. I could justify $300 on an MR2, so I got the only the idler tire from the evaluation charge. I'll pick it up Thursday, but I'm told the take up was not working at all, but now it works, but with excessive wow & flutter. I started out with a freebie that looked well taken care of. I'd certainly put out that much on my 600zx or 700zxl, but is an MR2 worth it and isn't $300 high for work caused by an incorrect belt? Maybe it becomes a parts machine unless I can change the belt myself and get it working. Thanks for any advice! David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 17 20:00:19 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:00:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061017085717.00826330@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061017085717.00826330@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45351A33.708@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > All digital systems are lossy. Tom, that's simply not true -- at least, going by the definition of 'lossy'. > Discontinuous. Again, simply not true. If you view the output analog waveform of a digital system you will see that it is not discontinuous. While the interim digital wave form, does, indeed, look discontinuous, be aware that it has nothing to do with the analog waveform that it represents. > Lossless compression ... But compression is a completely different subject. You started by stating two (invalid) objections to ALL DIGITAL SYSTEMS -- lossy and discontinuous -- and now you continue by referring to compression. Be aware that lossless compression does not affect the output signal in any way, shape or form. -- Ron > does not eliminate samples that are algorythmically > (is that a word?) defined as inaudible. ATRAC is one of the worst IMO. > Listen to piano notes! > > tom brucker > > At 06:50 PM 10/16/06 -0700, you wrote: > Hi guys, > > Not opening a can of worms here, but what exactly does 'Lossless' > mean here? As it is, non-compessed PCM 44.1K format had already been > critizised for not having enough resolution to capture music. If you take > that, and throw bits out (using the compression algorithm of course), you > are losing information aren't you? > > One of the best compression I've ever heard is ATRAC, especially the 'R' > version. However, even this has some shortcomings, especially when > listening to LP transcription. > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Antoine Deschênes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:51:55 PM > Subject: Re : [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings > >> I'm not a big fan of data compression, lossless or otherwise. I'd >> enjoy hearing your experience with the different data compression >> schemes. > > Well, if it's lossless compression, you can't hear a difference with a > compression-free format, the end result is the same thing. The difference > is the size of the file and compatibility with different software. > > Every lossless and no compression formats (WAV, FLAC, WMA-Lossless, AIFF, > RAW PCM) at the same kHz/bit will sound the same, they all keep the data as > it is originally coming from the ADC's input. > >> Wow! You mean there's a software OTHER THAN professional DAWs that >> has 32 bit editing! Fab! I must grab one of these for myself! >> DEFINITELY doing all the processing and mixing at 32 bit then >> downconverting to 16 bit is better than working in either 16 bit or >> 24 bit. My first DAw was a Studer Dyaxis -- it was only 16 bit but it >> did sound wonderful -- until you did heavy editing or processing. > > Audacity (Open Source) can save and edit FLAC(which is also open source), > WAV, OGG, etc. and has 32-bit editing. It's not the easiest to use and > you'll probably need quite a few plugins. You'll probably need 3rd party > effects, note also that is supports VST plugins. > > Antoine > From Steve.Mallon at motorola.com Tue Oct 17 20:16:16 2006 From: Steve.Mallon at motorola.com (Mallon Stephen-W17525) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:16:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these?? In-Reply-To: <0207CAD6-7BC3-4358-96FA-24970777EE34@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <1349761EC766064C8F1EBB89D3D8020F01C8E40F@de01exm65.ds.mot.com> Kermit, In your opinion, is the Nak 500 the best low-cost Nak (relatively speaking) choice for recording 78s to tape? I'm still looking to buy my first Nak (my main deck is a Tascam 112 MKII) and will be focusing on dubbing 78s for now. And do you know where I could find a truncated stylus for a Stanton 500EEE cartridge? Thanks in advance for your input! Steve ________________________________ From: Kermit Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:46 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these?? Hi Geoff, http://nfo.net/lnx/lfonhist.html will give you an excellent place to start putting a value on the 78 records. As others have advised, make a recording of them before you sell them. I record my 78 rpm disc collection onto my Nak 500 to take advantage of its recording limiter. I use a Dual 1218 turntable and either a Shure M95ED with the 78-rpm stylus, a ADC QLM32 with 78 rpm stylus or Stanton 500EEE cartridge with truncated elliptical stylus, along with a custom-made KVG Labs 76VQ archival phono preamp that has continuously variable record EQ curves. Sometimes I use a Shure Audiomaster or a McCurdy 1664 EQ module to tweak the sound further. 78s aren't recorded with the same EQ as an LP; they'll sound awful if played by with RIAA EQ, so you need a preamp . http://www.kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/index.htm sells many great accessories and gear for re-recording 78s onto your Nakamichi tape deck. Technics and Thorens make excellent new turntables with 78 rpm speeds. So does Numark and Gemini but your Nakamichi deserves a better source than these cheesy turntables! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray On Oct 5, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Geoff Ward wrote: Hi, I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from those who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. I recently discovered while cleaning out the attic of the house I recently purchased a collection of old records...most of which are 78 RPM. They appear to be in excellent condition, and many include colorful boxes that also appear original. The records date from the mid 40's. Any idea where I might find out what value these have? I would love to sell them to a collector who could enjoy them. Thanks for any and all help, Geoff Northern CA ________________________________ All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 17 20:18:45 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:18:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061017093849.00826b20@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061017093849.00826b20@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45351E85.5050604@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > Ron, > Theory is nice... Tom, all digital systems work exactly according to theory. > ... but digital sampling is an instantaneous measurement > during a specific time interval. During sampling, the input signal is > "frozen". Common sense tells us that this signal is always changing, so the > act of freezing creates losses. It does not matter what the sample > frequency is. Even sigma delta methods cannot measure true transient > changes. Isn't it odd that our brains CAN hear the differences! In a nutshell, the result of sampling is a series of values. The signal does change between samples, but values in between are not retained. This does not mean that any information has been lost once re-conversion to analog has occurred (assuming basic requirements are met). > An excellent lesson can be had by looking at digital video. Not the same thing at all. Did you know (or ever suspected) that good old analog TV pictures is actually sampled? > Once you > learn to recognize the sampling and compression artifacts, your tv life > will never be the same, and you will take the digital engineering claims of > perfection with a grain of salt. Nobody claims 'perfection'. Yet, HDTV is significantly better than NTSC. > The bottom line is, less processing sounds more lifelike. That's true for analog processing. Digital processing can be totally transparent. -- Ron I had an > opportunity to listen to an acetate cut by Ken Love, a disc mastering > engineer here in nashville, on an excellent stereo. Ken was trying to cut > at very high velocities. He was sure what he had cut could not be tracked, > but the table/arm/cartridge sounded perfect. I was hearing something > entirely different! A record, with 3 stages of record manufacturing > eliminated! It is easily the best 5 minutes of vinyl I've ever heard. > Digital recordings of live music compare well with analog, but analog still > wins. Digital processing can preserve 100% of the data to the output stage, > however in practice clock rate and data format conversions, and even D/A > A/D midstage conversions are the norm, cluttering up the original sound in > an audible manner. > > tom brucker > > At 09:50 AM 10/17/06 -0400, you wrote: >> s b wrote: >>> In my personal opinion, the very act of digitisation of analog source is >>> a lossy method in itself. >> Yes, but in a very well defined and understood way. If >> certain conditions are (for example, the sampling rate >> must is at least twice the highest frequency present) >> there is no loss and the original analog signal can be >> almost fully and exactly reconstructed from the digital >> stream. >> >>> Consider a stream (of water) flowing and you dipping a row of pots in >>> the water and considering those samples as representative of the stream. >>> What about the samples when the pots were lifted ? >> I'm afraid your example is not analogous to what is >> happening in signal processing. As a result, your >> conclusion: >> >>> in other words, the very term "Sampling Rate" in digitisation is >>> representative of the fact : >>> "altho much of the data is gotten to disk part of it has also been >>> thrown away without discretion." >> ... is incorrect. NOTHING is thrown out during digitization >> when these certain conditions are met. >> >> If you are really interested in the subject of discrete >> systems, I recommend the books 'An Introduction to Discrete >> Systems' by Kenneth Steiglitz and 'Digital Signal Processing' >> By Alan Oppemheimer. These two books were considered 'the >> Bible' of the subject way back when I went to school. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> Added to this are a bunch of codecs ... throwing out more and more data >>> from it .... the lossless ones merely compressing it as best as they can. >>> >>> Best >>> Soumi From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Oct 17 20:54:51 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:54:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061017084531.00824630@earthlink.net> References: <20061013155622.36847.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20061017084531.00824630@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7F9A885C-D756-43A8-9454-6979B9A44C3B@woods-and-waters.com> Hey tom, Good succinct definition of "warm sound" as used by most audiophiles. In most studios, though, "warmth" is customarily defined to mean that even-order harmonics dominates the distortion of the equipment or recording, imparting a musical-instrument-like richness or "warmth." Audiophiles often refer to this aspect of sound reproduction as "musical." Enjoy the music! On Oct 17, 2006, at 8:45 AM, Hi Tech wrote: > Here is my opinion. It is not based on measurements, but is > grounded in > extensive listening to good music on good systems, and live music. > Warmth is often thought of as midrange -centric. Sounds that are > warm > seem to lack shrillness. Low sounds take their time. Nothing sounds > pushy > or insistent. I believe warmth is a subtractive quality- that there > is a > common distortion missing from the sounds. When we think of > distortion we > want to run to the spec sheet and make comparisons, however the > distortion > I hear is in most digital sources. I believe it is rooted in the > mistaken > psychoacoustic masking shortcut that leads engineers towards lossy > data > systems. I believe some of us can hear the losses and decode the > distortions as "not warm". > The simplest examples are old 2x cd players. There was just > no way to > make them listenable without running the signal through a tube > stage. Many > felt tubes added "warmth", however I believe tubes failed to > distort (a > good thing!) the data losses created by the digital encode/decode > system. > If you listen to live music, voice, or even sounds, there are > transients that cue us and tell us the sound is live. Recordings, > evemn > analog signal chains, can supress these transients, or exaggerate them > (resonances) to the point that warmth is lost. > What I want to hear in recorded music is the natural transients > and the > subtraction of the loss-based distortions from the signal. I would > not use > the "warm" descriptor. I would use "accurate" or "natural" > adjectives, but > I believe after years of listening to these distorted sounds the > typical > person hears "warmth". Tubes still do their job. Digital has > gotten a lot > better, but SACD et al are still lossy. > A Nakamichi that sounds warm may roll the response, soften the > bass, or > be distortion free. Perhaps recording digital on cd just smooths > things > out, and tape hiss makes a wonderful dither. While Nakamichis were > better > than the lot in any distortion measurements (tape is shockingly non- > linear > at peak levels) they also progressed sound wise to lower audible > distortion > by engneering focused on preventing tape saturation. It is > remarkable that > the higher bias levels required for metal tape caused nakamichi to > only > redesign the ERASE heads, having had the headroom :) in the R/P > heads all > along. > We certainly grew up with analog tape sound. A close examination > of our > listening preferences may reveal that we like the cues tape sound > provides, > and when we like a sound, we say it is warm. > > tom brucker Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From kenkirk at gte.net Tue Oct 17 20:59:40 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:59:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD Message-ID: <4535281C.1070601@gte.net> Marc Stager says: "Likewise, on a good audio system, well recorded analogue music from clean, undamaged vinyl or a 7.5 IPS or faster reel tape, or even an metal or type 2 cassette made on a properly aligned Nakamichi cassette deck, will render the detail from a string section or brushes on a drum kit with greater realism than 16 bit digital. Room acoustics and subtle low level details that enhance the music, corrupted with the coarse grind of 16 bit digital, are not lost in the analogue domain. I find a small amount of surface noise or tape hiss unobtrusive and separate from the sounds of music, unlike the glare and dryness that digital recording imparts to low level and complex upper frequency sounds, and makes it tiresome to listen to. 24 bits represents a huge improvement and comes very close to analogue and the science exists now to make inexpensive CDs at this bit depth but the mass market is pretty ignorant about such things and is perfectly happy with 16/44.1 CDs - so the recording conglomerates will not be making any major changes anytime soon. Some instruments, like an a grand piano, will benefit from a more accurate speed stability and lower noise floor but I prefer 90% of my music recorded and played in the analogue domain - at least until 24 or 32 bit digital at a higher sampling rate than 44.1 KB.sec (to avoid distortion from steep HF filtering) becomes the standard." Ken replies: Well i just wanted to cut and paste your statement! I have been trying to say the same thing for some time now. Wonderful. I agree with all of it. I once sat on my drum throne for an hour wondering why the sound of my brushes sounded so right with my headphones coming direct from the board, but sounded so dull and filtered coming back from the Fostex 16/44 ADC. But it sounded fine coming from my Teac or Nak tape decks. That got me wondering years ago about how analog was doing something right that my digital was not. SACD and 24 /88.1 sound fine. I bought a Alesis Masterlink recently and it makes one fine recording from my vinyl at 24/96. I don't think I can tell the source from the recording.As a matter of fact, I think the Masterlink at 24/88.2 or 24/96 sounds every bit as good as my Dragon. And cheaper too! But jeez, 16/44.1 just robs music of its very soul. Nice post Marc. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Oct 17 21:09:51 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:09:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question Message-ID: > In most studios, though, "warmth" is customarily defined to mean that > even-order harmonics dominates the distortion of the equipment or > recording, imparting a musical-instrument-like richness or "warmth." > Audiophiles often refer to this aspect of sound reproduction as > "musical." Kermit, I've heard this before (probably on this discussion group), but there's an odd paradox here I don't understand. The "warmest" tone coloration in woodwinds is the clarinet--at least that's the only candidate I've heard (talking about "western orchestral woodwinds" only). This would not be just my opinion but (at least someone comment on, with reasonable credibility) the tastes of Brahms (his "preferred" instruments, as judged from his output for various solo works were the clarinet, the French horn, and the viola, and are the "warmest" or "darkest" of the ww, brass, or strings respectively, although I'm not sure I think it's a little less clear on the strings with the violincello being at least a close competitor). The reason this is a paradox is that one of the things that makes the clarinet's sound distinct is that it only has ODD harmonics (or at least, since nothing is perfect, is highly predominated by them). Comments?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Oct 17 21:15:38 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:15:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these?? In-Reply-To: <1349761EC766064C8F1EBB89D3D8020F01C8E40F@de01exm65.ds.mot.com> References: <1349761EC766064C8F1EBB89D3D8020F01C8E40F@de01exm65.ds.mot.com> Message-ID: <317258E7-86DC-4799-A5E8-82BFAFD7BCE1@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Steve, On Oct 17, 2006, at 1:16 PM, Mallon Stephen-W17525 wrote: > In your opinion, is the Nak 500 the best low-cost Nak (relatively > speaking) choice for recording 78s to tape? I'm still looking to > buy my first Nak (my main deck is a Tascam 112 MKII) and will be > focusing on dubbing 78s for now. Yes! In fact, the friendly, faithful, top-loading, oh-so-1970s Nakamichi 500 is the very deck I use for re-recording 78s because of its outstanding peak limiter and ease of use. In the 1970s, the long-running joke among retail stores was that a Nakamichi cassette deck's model number was also its price tag (in US Dollars). > And do you know where I could find a truncated stylus for a Stanton > 500EEE cartridge? http://www.kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/index.htm will take you to where I get the styli -- search for "Stanton 78 RPM series" and Stanton Custom." Their website is a bit tedious and conbfusing but they have some truly great items for sale for re-recording 78 rpm discs. > > Thanks in advance for your input! > Steve > > From: Kermit Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:46 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a > suggestion on whereto sell these?? > > Hi Geoff, > > http://nfo.net/lnx/lfonhist.html will give you an excellent place > to start putting a value on the 78 records. > > As others have advised, make a recording of them before you sell > them. I record my 78 rpm disc collection onto my Nak 500 to take > advantage of its recording limiter. I use a Dual 1218 turntable > and either a Shure M95ED with the 78-rpm stylus, a ADC QLM32 with > 78 rpm stylus or Stanton 500EEE cartridge with truncated elliptical > stylus, along with a custom-made KVG Labs 76VQ archival phono > preamp that has continuously variable record EQ curves. Sometimes I > use a Shure Audiomaster or a McCurdy 1664 EQ module to tweak the > sound further. > > 78s aren't recorded with the same EQ as an LP; they'll sound awful > if played by with RIAA EQ, so you need a preamp . http:// > www.kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/index.htm sells many great accessories > and gear for re-recording 78s onto your Nakamichi tape deck. > Technics and Thorens make excellent new turntables with 78 rpm > speeds. So does Numark and Gemini but your Nakamichi deserves a > better source than these cheesy turntables! > > N-Joy! > > -- Kermit Gray > > On Oct 5, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Geoff Ward wrote: > >> Hi, >> I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from >> those who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. >> >> I recently discovered while cleaning out the attic of the house I >> recently purchased a collection of old records...most of which >> are 78 RPM. They appear to be in excellent condition, and many >> include colorful boxes that also appear original. The records date >> from the mid 40's. >> >> Any idea where I might find out what value these have? I would >> love to sell them to a collector who could enjoy them. >> >> Thanks for any and all help, >> Geoff >> Northern CA >> >> All-new Yahoo! 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Ron, what Soumi means and a few others mean by lossy is that digital doesn't capture what's between the samples. But, it is true that, at the time of sampling, the sample will be accurately reproduced(To the nearest bit...) But, there is something that I'm not sure about: With higher bit/sample rates, the gain difference between each bits : 24-bit has an higher dynamic range than 16-bit (which is solving a problem with peaks), but does it make a shorter distance between the different volume each bits represent? How is this value set? __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From jberger at well.com Tue Oct 17 23:58:55 2006 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Dubbing reel-to-reel Message-ID: Last weekend, I was out shopping at garage sales, and saw somthing I'd never seen before; a dubbing reel-to-reel deck. It was a Dokoder, and it had the usual pair of reel hubs for 7" reels, but up above that there was a second pair of hubs; kind of like this: 0 0 source \ / 0 | | 0 copy & main playback \ | | / heads There was a cutout in the head block that allowed you to thread both tapes in there; I couldn't tell if there were separate head blocks for playing back the source tape, or if it just rolled out of the block before the record head. >From the looks of the cabinet, it was probably mid-'50's era. I didn't buy it, but I thought it would get some chuckles here. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Oct 18 00:30:05 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:30:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these?? Message-ID: Hi Steve! You ask And do you know where I could find a truncated stylus for a Stanton 500EEE cartridge? Go to "Needle Doctor" store...he probably can sell one for you! Good Luck, ALEX! Subject: RE: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these??Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:16:16 -0400From: Steve.Mallon at motorola.comTo: naktalk at naks.com Kermit, In your opinion, is the Nak 500 the best low-cost Nak (relatively speaking) choice for recording 78s to tape? I'm still looking to buy my first Nak (my main deck is a Tascam 112 MKII) and will be focusing on dubbing 78s for now. And do you know where I could find a truncated stylus for a Stanton 500EEE cartridge? Thanks in advance for your input! Steve From: Kermit Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:46 PMTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these?? Hi Geoff, http://nfo.net/lnx/lfonhist.html will give you an excellent place to start putting a value on the 78 records. As others have advised, make a recording of them before you sell them. I record my 78 rpm disc collection onto my Nak 500 to take advantage of its recording limiter. I use a Dual 1218 turntable and either a Shure M95ED with the 78-rpm stylus, a ADC QLM32 with 78 rpm stylus or Stanton 500EEE cartridge with truncated elliptical stylus, along with a custom-made KVG Labs 76VQ archival phono preamp that has continuously variable record EQ curves. Sometimes I use a Shure Audiomaster or a McCurdy 1664 EQ module to tweak the sound further. 78s aren't recorded with the same EQ as an LP; they'll sound awful if played by with RIAA EQ, so you need a preamp . http://www.kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/index.htm sells many great accessories and gear for re-recording 78s onto your Nakamichi tape deck. Technics and Thorens make excellent new turntables with 78 rpm speeds. So does Numark and Gemini but your Nakamichi deserves a better source than these cheesy turntables! N-Joy! -- Kermit Gray On Oct 5, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Geoff Ward wrote: Hi,I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from those who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's.I recently discovered while cleaning out the attic of the house I recently purchased a collection of old records...most of which are 78 RPM. They appear to be in excellent condition, and many include colorful boxes that also appear original. The records date from the mid 40's.Any idea where I might find out what value these have? I would love to sell them to a collector who could enjoy them.Thanks for any and all help,GeoffNorthern CA All-new Yahoo! 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URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Wed Oct 18 01:23:50 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:23:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Sampling vs Nak Message-ID: The discussion on sampling recording is interesting but in the real world of field recording what are we to do? Working Portable Naks seem impossible to come by. I see Sony and Marantz cassette recorders still listed but Maranz has professional portable solid state recorders using compact flash cards. The lower models are 16-bit and 48kHz while top model is 24-bit, 96kHz capable (PMD671). Is this a compromise - to use one of these in the field and copy to Nak or CD media? David PS to Kermit ­ I still haven't received the Marathon CD. s b wrote: > In my personal opinion, the very act of digitisation of analog source is > a lossy method in itself. >Yes, but in a very well defined and understood way. If certain conditions are (for example, the sampling rate must is at least twice the highest frequency present) there is no loss and the original analog signal can be almost fully and exactly reconstructed from the digital stream. ... NOTHING is thrown out during digitization when these certain conditions are met. > If you are really interested in the subject of discrete systems, I recommend the books 'An Introduction to Discrete Systems' by Kenneth Steiglitz and 'Digital Signal Processing' By Alan Oppemheimer. These two books were considered 'the Bible' of the subject way back when I went to school. -- Ron ========= >Ron: >Digital audio at 16 bits / 44.1Kb/second sampling rate is a primitive and mediocre method of recording music. It was established in 1983 when the most sophisticated home computer was an IBM PC-AT running at 12 mHz with a 20 mB hard drive and cost almost as much as a car. >Like a low resolution photo, 16 bits gets all the colors but is grainy in that the dynamic steps are coarse. Compare a print from a 1.3 megapixel to 6 megapixel, for example. - There is a big difference. >Like a grinding a fine steak into hamburger, then forming it back into its original shape... same meat, same vitamins, weight, but the taste and texture are completely different. Can it be ground finely enough to exactly replicate the original steak when reassembled? >Likewise, on a good audio system, well recorded analogue music from clean, undamaged vinyl or a 7.5 IPS or faster reel tape, or even an metal or type 2 cassette made on a properly aligned Nakamichi cassette deck, will render the detail from a string section or brushes on a drum kit with greater realism than 16 bit digital. Room acoustics and subtle low level details that enhance the music, corrupted with the coarse grind of 16 bit digital, are not lost in the analogue domain. I find a small amount of surface noise or tape hiss unobtrusive and separate from the sounds of music, unlike the glare and dryness that digital recording imparts to low level and complex upper frequency sounds, and makes it tiresome to listen to. >24 bits represents a huge improvement and comes very close to analogue and the science exists now to make inexpensive CDs at this bit depth but the mass market is pretty ignorant about such things and is perfectly happy with 16/44.1 CDs - so the recording conglomerates will not be making any major changes anytime soon. Some instruments, like an a grand piano, will benefit from a more accurate speed stability and lower noise floor but I prefer 90% of my music recorded and played in the analogue domain - at least until 24 or 32 bit digital at a higher sampling rate than 44.1 KB.sec (to avoid distortion from steep HF filtering) becomes the standard. >Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 18 01:47:22 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:47:22 +1000 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Sampling vs Nak Message-ID: <20061017234722.56731.qmail@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For CDs they are OK since they should be able to do real 44.1kHz recording, with the ADC running at 16-bit 44.1kHz. Antoine Deschênes ----- Message initial ---- De : David Thompson À : Naktalk Envoyé le : mardi 17 octobre 2006, 19 h 23 min 50 s Objet : [naktalk] Sampling vs Nak The discussion on sampling recording is interesting but in the real world of field recording what are we to do? Working Portable Naks seem impossible to come by. I see Sony and Marantz cassette recorders still listed but Maranz has professional portable solid state recorders using compact flash cards. The lower models are 16-bit and 48kHz while top model is 24-bit, 96kHz capable (PMD671). Is this a compromise - to use one of these in the field and copy to Nak or CD media? David PS to Kermit ­ I still haven't received the Marathon CD. s b wrote: > In my personal opinion, the very act of digitisation of analog source is > a lossy method in itself. >Yes, but in a very well defined and understood way. If certain conditions are (for example, the sampling rate must is at least twice the highest frequency present) there is no loss and the original analog signal can be almost fully and exactly reconstructed from the digital stream. ... NOTHING is thrown out during digitization when these certain conditions are met. > If you are really interested in the subject of discrete systems, I recommend the books 'An Introduction to Discrete Systems' by Kenneth Steiglitz and 'Digital Signal Processing' By Alan Oppemheimer. These two books were considered 'the Bible' of the subject way back when I went to school. -- Ron ========= >Ron: >Digital audio at 16 bits / 44.1Kb/second sampling rate is a primitive and mediocre method of recording music. It was established in 1983 when the most sophisticated home computer was an IBM PC-AT running at 12 mHz with a 20 mB hard drive and cost almost as much as a car. >Like a low resolution photo, 16 bits gets all the colors but is grainy in that the dynamic steps are coarse. Compare a print from a 1.3 megapixel to 6 megapixel, for example. - There is a big difference. >Like a grinding a fine steak into hamburger, then forming it back into its original shape... same meat, same vitamins, weight, but the taste and texture are completely different. Can it be ground finely enough to exactly replicate the original steak when reassembled? >Likewise, on a good audio system, well recorded analogue music from clean, undamaged vinyl or a 7.5 IPS or faster reel tape, or even an metal or type 2 cassette made on a properly aligned Nakamichi cassette deck, will render the detail from a string section or brushes on a drum kit with greater realism than 16 bit digital. Room acoustics and subtle low level details that enhance the music, corrupted with the coarse grind of 16 bit digital, are not lost in the analogue domain. I find a small amount of surface noise or tape hiss unobtrusive and separate from the sounds of music, unlike the glare and dryness that digital recording imparts to low level and complex upper frequency sounds, and makes it tiresome to listen to. >24 bits represents a huge improvement and comes very close to analogue and the science exists now to make inexpensive CDs at this bit depth but the mass market is pretty ignorant about such things and is perfectly happy with 16/44.1 CDs - so the recording conglomerates will not be making any major changes anytime soon. Some instruments, like an a grand piano, will benefit from a more accurate speed stability and lower noise floor but I prefer 90% of my music recorded and played in the analogue domain - at least until 24 or 32 bit digital at a higher sampling rate than 44.1 KB.sec (to avoid distortion from steep HF filtering) becomes the standard. >Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Wed Oct 18 01:58:10 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:58:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sampling vs Nak References: <20061017234722.56731.qmail@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <056d01c6f248$1979d620$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Well, better to do 24 bit, 96 kHz and downsample on the computer to burn to audio CD, or leave at 24 bit for a DVD-A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoine Deschênes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re : [naktalk] Sampling vs Nak > For CDs they are OK since they should be able to do real 44.1kHz > recording, with the ADC running at 16-bit 44.1kHz. > > Antoine Deschênes > > ----- Message initial ---- > De : David Thompson > À : Naktalk > Envoyé le : mardi 17 octobre 2006, 19 h 23 min 50 s > Objet : [naktalk] Sampling vs Nak > > > The discussion on sampling recording is interesting but in the real world > of > field recording what are we to do? Working Portable Naks seem impossible > to > come by. I see Sony and Marantz cassette recorders still listed but Maranz > has professional portable solid state recorders using compact flash cards. > The lower models are 16-bit and 48kHz while top model is 24-bit, 96kHz > capable (PMD671). Is this a compromise - to use one of these in the field > and copy to Nak or CD media? > > David > > PS to Kermit ­ I still haven't received the Marathon CD. > > > s b wrote: > > In my personal opinion, the very act of digitisation of analog source is > > a lossy method in itself. > >>Yes, but in a very well defined and understood way. If > certain conditions are (for example, the sampling rate > must is at least twice the highest frequency present) > there is no loss and the original analog signal can be > almost fully and exactly reconstructed from the digital > stream. > ... NOTHING is thrown out during digitization when > these certain conditions are met. >> > If you are really interested in the subject of discrete > systems, I recommend the books 'An Introduction to Discrete > Systems' by Kenneth Steiglitz and 'Digital Signal Processing' > By Alan Oppemheimer. These two books were considered 'the > Bible' of the subject way back when I went to school. > > -- Ron > > ========= > >>Ron: > >>Digital audio at 16 bits / 44.1Kb/second sampling rate is a primitive > and mediocre method of recording music. It was established in 1983 > when the most sophisticated home computer was an IBM PC-AT running at > 12 mHz with a 20 mB hard drive and cost almost as much as a car. > >>Like a low resolution photo, 16 bits gets all the colors but is > grainy in that the dynamic steps are coarse. Compare a print from a > 1.3 megapixel to 6 megapixel, for example. - There is a big difference. > >>Like a grinding a fine steak into hamburger, then forming it back > into its original shape... same meat, same vitamins, weight, but the > taste and texture are completely different. Can it be ground finely > enough to exactly replicate the original steak when reassembled? > >>Likewise, on a good audio system, well recorded analogue music from > clean, undamaged vinyl or a 7.5 IPS or faster reel tape, or even an > metal or type 2 cassette made on a properly aligned Nakamichi > cassette deck, will render the detail from a string section or > brushes on a drum kit with greater realism than 16 bit digital. Room > acoustics and subtle low level details that enhance the music, > corrupted with the coarse grind of 16 bit digital, are not lost in > the analogue domain. I find a small amount of surface noise or tape > hiss unobtrusive and separate from the sounds of music, unlike the > glare and dryness that digital recording imparts to low level and > complex upper frequency sounds, and makes it tiresome to listen to. > >>24 bits represents a huge improvement and comes very close to > analogue and the science exists now to make inexpensive CDs at this > bit depth but the mass market is pretty ignorant about such things > and is perfectly happy with 16/44.1 CDs - so the recording > conglomerates will not be making any major changes anytime soon. Some > instruments, like an a grand piano, will benefit from a more accurate > speed stability and lower noise floor but I prefer 90% of my music > recorded and played in the analogue domain - at least until 24 or 32 > bit digital at a higher sampling rate than 44.1 KB.sec (to avoid > distortion from steep HF filtering) becomes the standard. > >>Marc Stager > ) ) ) ) ) ) > Stager Sound Systems > http://marc.stager.com/ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? > magasinage.yahoo.ca > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/477 - Release Date: 16/10/2006 > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 18 02:14:19 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sampling vs Nak Message-ID: <20061018001419.71300.qmail@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If he's planning to have a 24/96 original copy, it's better, but no resampling is better. 24/44.1kHz should be better, but we need to know first if puling the bitrate from 24-bit down to 16-bit makes a difference compared to an ADC able to do 24-bit recording to 16-bit. Maybe the 24-bit DAC is accurate at 16-bit, since it's far from it's limits. Don't trust me on this, I just know about the digital side of things. Antoine Deschênes ----- Message initial ---- De : Dennis Orr À : Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Envoyé le : mardi 17 octobre 2006, 19 h 58 min 10 s Objet : Re: [naktalk] Sampling vs Nak Well, better to do 24 bit, 96 kHz and downsample on the computer to burn to audio CD, or leave at 24 bit for a DVD-A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoine Deschênes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re : [naktalk] Sampling vs Nak > For CDs they are OK since they should be able to do real 44.1kHz > recording, with the ADC running at 16-bit 44.1kHz. > > Antoine Deschênes > > ----- Message initial ---- > De : David Thompson > À : Naktalk > Envoyé le : mardi 17 octobre 2006, 19 h 23 min 50 s > Objet : [naktalk] Sampling vs Nak > > > The discussion on sampling recording is interesting but in the real world > of > field recording what are we to do? Working Portable Naks seem impossible > to > come by. I see Sony and Marantz cassette recorders still listed but Maranz > has professional portable solid state recorders using compact flash cards. > The lower models are 16-bit and 48kHz while top model is 24-bit, 96kHz > capable (PMD671). Is this a compromise - to use one of these in the field > and copy to Nak or CD media? > > David > > PS to Kermit ­ I still haven't received the Marathon CD. > > > s b wrote: > > In my personal opinion, the very act of digitisation of analog source is > > a lossy method in itself. > >>Yes, but in a very well defined and understood way. If > certain conditions are (for example, the sampling rate > must is at least twice the highest frequency present) > there is no loss and the original analog signal can be > almost fully and exactly reconstructed from the digital > stream. > ... NOTHING is thrown out during digitization when > these certain conditions are met. >> > If you are really interested in the subject of discrete > systems, I recommend the books 'An Introduction to Discrete > Systems' by Kenneth Steiglitz and 'Digital Signal Processing' > By Alan Oppemheimer. These two books were considered 'the > Bible' of the subject way back when I went to school. > > -- Ron > > ========= > >>Ron: > >>Digital audio at 16 bits / 44.1Kb/second sampling rate is a primitive > and mediocre method of recording music. It was established in 1983 > when the most sophisticated home computer was an IBM PC-AT running at > 12 mHz with a 20 mB hard drive and cost almost as much as a car. > >>Like a low resolution photo, 16 bits gets all the colors but is > grainy in that the dynamic steps are coarse. Compare a print from a > 1.3 megapixel to 6 megapixel, for example. - There is a big difference. > >>Like a grinding a fine steak into hamburger, then forming it back > into its original shape... same meat, same vitamins, weight, but the > taste and texture are completely different. Can it be ground finely > enough to exactly replicate the original steak when reassembled? > >>Likewise, on a good audio system, well recorded analogue music from > clean, undamaged vinyl or a 7.5 IPS or faster reel tape, or even an > metal or type 2 cassette made on a properly aligned Nakamichi > cassette deck, will render the detail from a string section or > brushes on a drum kit with greater realism than 16 bit digital. Room > acoustics and subtle low level details that enhance the music, > corrupted with the coarse grind of 16 bit digital, are not lost in > the analogue domain. I find a small amount of surface noise or tape > hiss unobtrusive and separate from the sounds of music, unlike the > glare and dryness that digital recording imparts to low level and > complex upper frequency sounds, and makes it tiresome to listen to. > >>24 bits represents a huge improvement and comes very close to > analogue and the science exists now to make inexpensive CDs at this > bit depth but the mass market is pretty ignorant about such things > and is perfectly happy with 16/44.1 CDs - so the recording > conglomerates will not be making any major changes anytime soon. Some > instruments, like an a grand piano, will benefit from a more accurate > speed stability and lower noise floor but I prefer 90% of my music > recorded and played in the analogue domain - at least until 24 or 32 > bit digital at a higher sampling rate than 44.1 KB.sec (to avoid > distortion from steep HF filtering) becomes the standard. > >>Marc Stager > ) ) ) ) ) ) > Stager Sound Systems > http://marc.stager.com/ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? > magasinage.yahoo.ca > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/477 - Release Date: 16/10/2006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 18 02:59:20 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:59:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Kimo! On Oct 17, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> In most studios, though, "warmth" is customarily defined to mean that >> even-order harmonics dominates the distortion of the equipment or >> recording, imparting a musical-instrument-like richness or "warmth." >> Audiophiles often refer to this aspect of sound reproduction as >> "musical." > > Kermit, > I've heard this before (probably on this discussion group), but > there's an odd paradox here I don't > understand. > > The "warmest" tone coloration in woodwinds is the clarinet--at > least that's the only candidate I've heard (talking > about "western orchestral woodwinds" only). This would not be just > my opinion but (at least someone comment > on, with reasonable credibility) the tastes of Brahms (his > "preferred" instruments, as judged from his > output for various solo works were the clarinet, the French horn, > and the viola, and are the "warmest" or "darkest" > of the ww, brass, or strings respectively, although I'm not sure I > think it's a little less clear on the strings with the violincello > being at least a close competitor). > > The reason this is a paradox is that one of the things that makes > the clarinet's sound distinct is that it only has ODD > harmonics (or at least, since nothing is perfect, is highly > predominated by them). Comments?-kby Fab-u-lous question and excellent observation! From a musical tone point of view, the clarinet is indeed "warmest" as to its musical TIMBRE (or is it tambre? -- I'll have to look up the two terms). Refer to Helmholtz' seminal work, "On The Sensation of Tone" for in- depth explanations of how musical timbre (tambre?) is created and perceived by listeners. The confusion in this case of the meanin gof the term is caused by the over-use of the term "warmth," creating thereby many differing meanings and interpretations, which is why I strive to avoid using the term entirely. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 18 03:01:42 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:01:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a suggestion on whereto sell these?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Alex, On Oct 17, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > > Hi Steve! > > You ask And do you know where I could find a truncated stylus for a > Stanton 500EEE cartridge? Go to "Needle Doctor" store...he probably > can sell one for you! > Last time I checked needledoctor has only Stanton 78 rpm styli, not truncated styli. Check http://www.kabusa.com > Good Luck, > > ALEX! > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a > suggestion on whereto sell these?? > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:16:16 -0400 > From: Steve.Mallon at motorola.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Kermit, > > In your opinion, is the Nak 500 the best low-cost Nak (relatively > speaking) choice for recording 78s to tape? I'm still looking to > buy my first Nak (my main deck is a Tascam 112 MKII) and will be > focusing on dubbing 78s for now. And do you know where I could > find a truncated stylus for a Stanton 500EEE cartridge? > > Thanks in advance for your input! > Steve > > From: Kermit Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:46 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly off topic - anybody have a > suggestion on whereto sell these?? > > Hi Geoff, > > http://nfo.net/lnx/lfonhist.html will give you an excellent place > to start putting a value on the 78 records. > > As others have advised, make a recording of them before you sell > them. I record my 78 rpm disc collection onto my Nak 500 to take > advantage of its recording limiter. I use a Dual 1218 turntable > and either a Shure M95ED with the 78-rpm stylus, a ADC QLM32 with > 78 rpm stylus or Stanton 500EEE cartridge with truncated elliptical > stylus, along with a custom-made KVG Labs 76VQ archival phono > preamp that has continuously variable record EQ curves. Sometimes I > use a Shure Audiomaster or a McCurdy 1664 EQ module to tweak the > sound further. > > 78s aren't recorded with the same EQ as an LP; they'll sound awful > if played by with RIAA EQ, so you need a preamp . http:// > www.kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/index.htm sells many great accessories > and gear for re-recording 78s onto your Nakamichi tape deck. > Technics and Thorens make excellent new turntables with 78 rpm > speeds. So does Numark and Gemini but your Nakamichi deserves a > better source than these cheesy turntables! > > N-Joy! > > -- Kermit Gray > > On Oct 5, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Geoff Ward wrote: > > Hi, > I don't post very often but enjoy reading the many posts from those > who do. Own 4 Naks...a BX300, BX150 and two CR1A's. > > I recently discovered while cleaning out the attic of the house I > recently purchased a collection of old records...most of which are > 78 RPM. They appear to be in excellent condition, and many include > colorful boxes that also appear original. The records date from the > mid 40's. > > Any idea where I might find out what value these have? I would love > to sell them to a collector who could enjoy them. > > Thanks for any and all help, > Geoff > Northern CA > > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things > done faster. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day > trial! Learn more! > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 18 04:37:34 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:37:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 repair/belt In-Reply-To: <20061017175250.63755.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061017175250.63755.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4535936E.9080603@rcn.com> I would recommend getting another quote. Even replacing the whole transport shouldn't cost $300 and I find it hard to believe that a bad belt can completely demolish the transport. From your description of the problem, (seemed a little sluggish to start rewind/ff), the deck needed a new idler tire. In any case, an MR-2 repair for $300 doesn't make sense. The deck isn't worth this much. -- Ron fripp_em wrote: > Left an MR2 I got from a studio with a local tech for > a tuneup (was working, but seemed a little sluggish to > start rewind/ff). I got back a quote for a $300 > overhaul due to an incorrect belt that was too thick > having been used as a replacement in an earlier > repair. I could justify $300 on an MR2, so I got the > only the idler tire from the evaluation charge. I'll > pick it up Thursday, but I'm told the take up was not > working at all, but now it works, but with excessive > wow & flutter. > > I started out with a freebie that looked well taken > care of. I'd certainly put out that much on my 600zx > or 700zxl, but is an MR2 worth it and isn't $300 high > for work caused by an incorrect belt? > > Maybe it becomes a parts machine unless I can change > the belt myself and get it working. > > Thanks for any advice! > > David From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 18 04:49:49 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:49:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Dubbing reel-to-reel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A612A9A-C6E7-4A04-9C6F-C069DF67CE1C@woods-and-waters.com> Hi John, Wow! Well, if it's a Dokorder you can bet it's mediocre at best. They had some really good ideas but their build quality was so awful that their products broke down quickly and had a flimsiness to them. On Oct 17, 2006, at 4:58 PM, John Berger wrote: > Last weekend, I was out shopping at garage sales, and saw somthing I'd > never seen before; a dubbing reel-to-reel deck. > > It was a Dokoder, and it had the usual pair of reel hubs for 7" > reels, but > up above that there was a second pair of hubs; kind of like this: > > > 0 0 source > \ / > 0 | | 0 copy & main playback > \ | | / > heads > > There was a cutout in the head block that allowed you to thread > both tapes > in there; I couldn't tell if there were separate head blocks for > playing > back the source tape, or if it just rolled out of the block before the > record head. > >> From the looks of the cabinet, it was probably mid-'50's era. I >> didn't > buy it, but I thought it would get some chuckles here. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 18 05:29:26 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:29:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD In-Reply-To: <20061017193037.41912.qmail@web36210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061017193037.41912.qmail@web36210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45359F96.7020103@rcn.com> Antoine, A sampling rate of 44.1KHz can, in theory, support resurrection of 22.04999999KHz *sine* wave. Not a square wave (or even the triangular wave that you must have been thinking of) but a true sine wave. Unfortunately, this requires a linear phase brick wall filter that another theory tells us cannot be implemented... Over-sampling (a misnomer, but that's another story) can help, but only to a degree. You are making the same mistake that Tom did: you consider the signal waveform inside the processing loop and conclude that this affects the reconstructed analog output. The fact that a sine looks like a triangular wave before the LP filter is meaningless. What is important is the output analog. So, even though you are mistaken in your basic premise, it's still true that 44.1KHz was too low a choice for ultimate audio reproduction. Nonetheless, it can be pretty good. Of course, digitization 'doesn't capture what's between the samples'. To do that, sampling rate has to be infinite. Nor is it necessary for COMPLETE reconstruction of the original analog signal. This is not something I can prove in a post, but I have suggested two books that explain this, assuming one has the mathematical background to follow the text. On the practical side: many CDs contain 18KHz (and higher) frequencies that are reproduced faultlessly by quality CD players. > But, there is something that I'm not sure about: With higher > bit/sample rates, the gain difference between each bits : 24-bit > has an higher dynamic range than 16-bit (which is solving a > problem with peaks), but does it make a shorter distance between > the different volume each bits represent? How is this value set? Time distance between samples is set by the sampling rate. Sampling rate determines the highest frequency that can be reconstructed. Resolution (number of bits) determines dynamic range (higher number of bits equals lower quantization noise). The level difference represented by each bit is smaller as more bits are used, but remember that the analog output signal has infinite resolution (can attain any value whatsoever), regardless of the digital resolution. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > LOL we got a can of worms... > > Something that wasn't specified(but you can guess easily) is that an higher sample rate not only is able to keep higher frequencies, but also reproduces smoother waves, since there is a shorter delay between samples. The problem with 44.1kHz is that 22.05kHz is reproduced as a square wave, 20kHz is almost a square wave, etc. These frequencies can be lost or turned in lower frequencies if the tone isn't in sync with the ADC sampling rate, that can cause a problem. 96k or 192k, even if used with a 22kHz low-pass filter, will reproduce all the audible frequencies better. > > Ron, what Soumi means and a few others mean by lossy is that digital doesn't capture what's between the samples. But, it is true that, at the time of sampling, the sample will be accurately reproduced(To the nearest bit...) > > But, there is something that I'm not sure about: With higher bit/sample rates, the gain difference between each bits : 24-bit has an higher dynamic range than 16-bit (which is solving a problem with peaks), but does it make a shorter distance between the different volume each bits represent? How is this value set? From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Oct 18 05:35:17 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:35:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Dubbing reel-to-reel AKAI GX 400D Message-ID: Hi, I used to own the same dubbing Dokorder you saw at the sale , It was a pain to use I got rid of it!! My other favorite among reel to reels tape deck was Akai GX 1900D reel to reel with built in cassette recorder so you could transfer songs for reel to reel to cassetter or from cassette section to reel to reel. Also the Akai X 2000SD was a great machine which in addtion to reel to reel had both cassette and 8 track recorder built into it! again material from reel could be recorded to either 8 track or cassetted or other way around. MY current reel to reel deck are Akai GX 400D this is the most beautiful and top of the line Akai reel to reel ever made with 15 ips , dual capstan drive , each capstan about a 1/4 in thick! like a Nak 1000zxl of Akai:) Also I have the Akai GX 747 newer than the GX 400D but in my opinion the GX 400D is the best akai reel to reel tape deck ever made. Also used to have GX 77 , pioneer rt 707 and rt 909, but I am a Akai fan in addition to Nakamkich. Both these reel to reel machines use 10.5 metal reels in addition to 7 in reels and both can record in reverse as well as forward. I have owned many reel to reels . Also have Otari 10.5 in reel to reel again tape deck rack mounted again a beauty! 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Sure, like many things in audio it's a compromise but I'm betting you can get good sound from it if your mic'ing technique is good and you are careful setting levels. > PS to Kermit – I still haven't received the Marathon CD. Frustrating! Seems that most of what I've sent "down under" must have been stolen by dingos working for the postal service. The studio is being rebuilt (long overdue repairs and upgrades being installed, especially on the digital side of things) and I'm not able to run any more copies for the next three months. If you do not want to wait that long for the next copy run, email me off-list and I'll refund your money. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 18 05:00:22 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:00:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer In-Reply-To: <20061016151018.30351.qmail@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061016151018.30351.qmail@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97B9F40C-C6DC-4C74-9F36-12F5175524E3@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Bala, Oh man, I ache with desire seeing that 1000ZXL! Good to see that friendly, faithful 600 or 600-II sitting there! On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I find Jerry's photo album very convenient. So here is > my start. > > http://my.opera.com/79labs/albums/show.dml?id=148373 > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Kermit Gray > To: mibm at tdcadsl.dk; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 12:59:01 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heres pics of my newly acquired 700 TRi-Tracer > > > On Oct 15, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Mikkel Breiler wrote: > > > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:54:10 -0500, Kermit Gray > waters.com> wrote: > > > >> ...the entire 1970s model line. I'll have to grow several more > >> pairs of ears to be able to listen to them all simultaneously. > >> Maybe gene splicing technology? Sigh.... > > > > Or extend your life using gene technology. See how many generations > > the Naks can hold > > up to. > > > > My current plans involve getting my only Nak working, using the > > least effort and > > money. So far I have the remote connector. I nend to build a small > > transport panel to > > hook up through the remote socket. the decks front transport panel > > and parts of the > > display are busted. > > Oh, ouch! That makes me cringe thinking about the front panel being > busted. What model Nak? I have a spare 600 (or 600-II) front panel, I > think. > > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From btorre at ix.netcom.com Wed Oct 18 06:20:48 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:20:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Dubbing reel-to-reel AKAI GX 400D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061018000723.0355c300@ix.netcom.com> At 11:35 PM 10/17/06, you wrote: > MY current reel to reel deck are Akai GX 400D this is the most > beautiful and top of the line Akai reel to reel ever made with 15 > ips , dual capstan drive , each capstan about a 1/4 in thick! like > a Nak 1000zxl of Akai:) Akai made some really nice open reel machines. I have an M-10 in mint condition that really surprised me. Akai also made some rather nice cassette decks, though not as good as a Nak. I give them a lot of credit, though. As far as R2R goes, I really am more of an Ampex pro line fan. In fact, I suspect Akai lifted a few ideas from the 601/602/AG-600 line as the control layouts are darned close. (the Pioneer RT-2022/2044 has a similar layout as well, only with more interchangeability) My personal favorites are the big 300, 350/351. MR-70, AG-350, AG-440... and if you have the scratch for it, the ATR-10x series. The latter will show you how good analog tape can really be, and I'd put it up against any digital machine & dare people to try and tell the difference. From luis at peromarta.org Wed Oct 18 11:05:56 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:05:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4535EE74.9020003@peromarta.org> Timbre ;) rgds, LP. Kermit Gray escribió: > of view, the clarinet is indeed "warmest" as to its musical TIMBRE (or > is it tambre? -- I'll have to look up the two terms). Refer to From r1seals at yahoo.com Wed Oct 18 14:18:44 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Help with finding tapes In-Reply-To: <014901c6f2c2$54e181c0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: <20061018121844.56948.qmail@web50001.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you Ken that is what I was looking for. warmest regards --- Ken Mashlan wrote: > Try www.tapes.com or www.tapecenter.com > > Tapes.com has SA-60s for 99c each, and tapecenter is > more expensive (1.28), > but has also 90 mins, SA-X etc. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Russ Seals > Sent: October 17, 2006 3:47 AM > To: mibm at tdcadsl.dk; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help with finding tapes > > thanks for getting back with me Mikkel I don't know > really how much it would cost me to bring those > tapes > over here I am afraid probaly to much. but I do > appreciate your time. I would be nice to have a > picture of what you do have. Here I will send you > some > pictures of what I have. see ya Russ > > --- Mikkel Breiler wrote: > > > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:27:42 -0700 (PDT), Russ > Seals > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >-Is there anybody in the FortWorth Dallas area > that > > >can tell me where to buy some TDK-SA tapes.Really > > >closer to FortWorth. > > > > For small quantity I have some 80s and 90s TDK-SA > > used and unused. > > > > Actually I believe I have used from going back to > > 1979. And I believe that 1983 and > > 1988 may be unused. > > > > Shrinkwrapped unused will look great right next to > > your deck! :) But since I am in > > Denmark it would probably make most sense to have > a > > few timeline tapes, perhaps just > > the unused shrinkwrapped pieces for your deck. > > Slip me an email if you want some specific year > and > > wether used or unused and I will > > see what I have in those years. > > > > 1979 is with the vintage black & clear shell, all > > the others years are the clear > > shell. > > > > -Mikkel > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 18 15:20:24 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question In-Reply-To: <4535EE74.9020003@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20061018132024.26731.qmail@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In the 60's my Dad had a Magget-box console stereo that had a "timbre" adjustment. Bob Luis Peromarta wrote: Timbre ;) rgds, LP. Kermit Gray escribió: > of view, the clarinet is indeed "warmest" as to its musical TIMBRE (or > is it tambre? -- I'll have to look up the two terms). Refer to ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.stump at comcast.net Wed Oct 18 16:10:11 2006 From: g.stump at comcast.net (G Stump) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:10:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto stop issues Message-ID: <00ae01c6f2bf$1ff800e0$4b01160a@WIFPNET.FCTG.NET> I have a Dragon that auto stops in one direction but works fine in the other. I figured this would be an idler issue but while looking it over I noticed that the very bright halogen light from my workbench causes the deck to autostop in both directions. I pulled the pulse counter PCB board and noticed that it appears to only have one sensor on it when it has places on it for two sensors. Mine even has a bit of solder on one of the holes where a second sensor would be but a second sensor is nowhere to be found, not even laying on the bottom of the unit or anything. Does anyone know if in fact there is supposed to be a second sensor there? If so I gotta think I've located my auto-stop issue. If not I guess I'm back to square one. Secondly, where could one find such an item (either a sensor or the entire PCB unit)? Thanks in advance for any and all responses. GS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Oct 18 17:26:47 2006 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR2 repair/belt In-Reply-To: <4535936E.9080603@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20061018152647.97865.qmail@web50507.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Ron. The idler tires has been replaced. If the belt is wrong, then I should just replace that and see how it then works. I agree that this isn't a deck I want to put $300 in to. I'm saving up to have my 700zxl serviced:-) Does someone on the list have belts for an MR2? Thanks. David --- Ron wrote: > > I would recommend getting another quote. Even > replacing > the whole transport shouldn't cost $300 and I find > it > hard to believe that a bad belt can completely > demolish > the transport. From your description of the problem, > (seemed a little sluggish to start rewind/ff), the > deck > needed a new idler tire. > > In any case, an MR-2 repair for $300 doesn't make > sense. > The deck isn't worth this much. > > -- Ron > > > > fripp_em wrote: > > Left an MR2 I got from a studio with a local tech > for > > a tuneup (was working, but seemed a little > sluggish to > > start rewind/ff). I got back a quote for a $300 > > overhaul due to an incorrect belt that was too > thick > > having been used as a replacement in an earlier > > repair. I could justify $300 on an MR2, so I got > the > > only the idler tire from the evaluation charge. > I'll > > pick it up Thursday, but I'm told the take up was > not > > working at all, but now it works, but with > excessive > > wow & flutter. > > > > I started out with a freebie that looked well > taken > > care of. I'd certainly put out that much on my > 600zx > > or 700zxl, but is an MR2 worth it and isn't $300 > high > > for work caused by an incorrect belt? > > > > Maybe it becomes a parts machine unless I can > change > > the belt myself and get it working. > > > > Thanks for any advice! > > > > David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Oct 18 17:52:07 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto stop issues In-Reply-To: <00ae01c6f2bf$1ff800e0$4b01160a@WIFPNET.FCTG.NET> Message-ID: <20061018155207.53472.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Where did you find the autostop sensor- ? Get Dragon service manual first or download it from Thomas' website. The one on top of the transport controls one direction and the other sensor is hidden behind the front plate. There is a long belt connecting takeup spool for the forward direction to hidden sensor wheel behind the Meter board. Please read the service manual for this part. Kannan G Stump wrote: I have a Dragon that auto stops in one direction but works fine in the other. I figured this would be an idler issue but while looking it over I noticed that the very bright halogen light from my workbench causes the deck to autostop in both directions. I pulled the pulse counter PCB board and noticed that it appears to only have one sensor on it when it has places on it for two sensors. Mine even has a bit of solder on one of the holes where a second sensor would be but a second sensor is nowhere to be found, not even laying on the bottom of the unit or anything. Does anyone know if in fact there is supposed to be a second sensor there? If so I gotta think I’ve located my auto-stop issue. If not I guess I’m back to square one. Secondly, where could one find such an item (either a sensor or the entire PCB unit)? Thanks in advance for any and all responses. GS ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 18 20:21:17 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:21:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question Message-ID: <44E9099C-133D-4526-BC0A-BC38EE05148C@alumni.caltech.edu> > The confusion in this case of the meanin gof > the term is caused by the over-use of the term "warmth," creating > thereby many differing meanings and interpretations, which is why I > strive to avoid using the term entirely. Kermit, Thanks for trying to get my head around this. OK, maybe I understand this at a denotational level, but not at a connotational one. Although different it seems that they sort of would be related from an experiential level. How about some synonyms for each of the two meanings?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 18 20:52:13 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:52:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question In-Reply-To: <20061018132024.26731.qmail@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061018132024.26731.qmail@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007149FE-828C-4B5C-8369-F02A34E4C97F@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Bob, On Oct 18, 2006, at 8:20 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > In the 60's my Dad had a Magget-box console stereo that had a > "timbre" adjustment. This was, I believe, a treble control. Cool. > Bob > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > Timbre ;) > > rgds, LP. > > Kermit Gray escribió: > > > of view, the clarinet is indeed "warmest" as to its musical > TIMBRE (or > > is it tambre? -- I'll have to look up the two terms). 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URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Oct 18 21:17:40 2006 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Dubbing reel-to-reel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061018191740.99751.qmail@web50513.mail.yahoo.com> Take a look at this R2R obsessed guys web site for a photo of the dokorder (under "Circus of Oddities") http://daveman.a2zway.com/Dave'sTapeDeckPhotoGallery.html http://daveman.a2zway.com/images/dokorder8010-1.jpg http://daveman.a2zway.com/images/dokorder8010-2.jpg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 18 21:32:50 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:32:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Big kudos to Tomas, a parts source, and a question Message-ID: <74E4DF83-55B1-4D0A-917F-227D34C8F7A8@alumni.caltech.edu> A big "thanks" to Tomas for using his other group contacts to locate the 4039 SRAM chips I posted a month or so ago looking for. Someone he asked pointed to findchips.com and they listed 2 vendors. He'd also provided some other suggestions for how to make a replacement should getting the chips not work out, but I did want to try and get the chips first. The issue turns out to be less actual availability--while not common chips, they aren't really scarce, but most places, for various reasons, don't want to deal with hobbyist/ individuals. It's not just a matter of quantity or cost as they often don't have very many anyways; I'm guessing tax or other issues play a part. Anyway, Rochester Electronics (http://www.rocelec.com) had a suitable chip and although there's a bit of paperwork to fill out, they will sell to individuals. It was a bit pricey ($40 a pop), but given the alternative was not at all, for me this was in the realm. I did receive the chips and the one I substituted in fixed that problem in the 700zxl (unfortunately I had probably caused that problem while trying to address other issues, but that's another story). This is therefore, in addition to thanks to Tomas, a recommendation for Rochester Electronics. I also have two other things that need to be replaced in the 700zxl. One is the azimuth wire; since it is Nak specific, I'm either looking for someone that has a dead *zx machine of some sort or will keep looking on ebay (this would be 1000zxl, 700xzl, or 6?0zx, essentially; I assume my best bet if I have to wait is a dead 660zx, but those are pretty rare). Second, I have a broken bias peaking transformer. It is one of the things that look like the small coils, except the inside is slightly different in that it has a fixed plastic(?) core. There is an adjustable shell of some sort you turn to tune it--the shell appears externally the same as the coils, but internally the shells for the ones used as coils have a molded rod that essentially replaces part of the air core of the coil with this material. That can be deal with by just breaking off the attachment, but the transformer appears not to be tunable to the provide the same amount of current as the one on the other channel (by a significant amount). I believe the wiring is OK, so I'm guessing it's related to the fact that the top of the plastic (?) bobbin core is broken on the transformer. Does this seem likely? Is there a way to repair that that would work adequately (if not perfectly--this is a project machine, after all)? Finally, there aren't any values listed for these parts; they just say "transformer" or "bias peaking transformer" or something like that, so if I were to go and look for a replacement, other than physical size & adjustability, what am I looking for? These apparently seem unique to the 700zxl (I'd guess the 700zxe and 1000zxl might share them, but that's not much help) as most other machines have a larger single transformer for the bias oscillator as they use the same oscillator for both channels--the above machines are ones that have independently adjustable bias for left and right channels and dual oscillators). Thanks!-kby From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 18 21:47:09 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question In-Reply-To: <007149FE-828C-4B5C-8369-F02A34E4C97F@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20061018194709.52478.qmail@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No. It also had a bass and treble along with the timbre. This was middle 60's. Bob Kermit Gray wrote: Hey Bob, On Oct 18, 2006, at 8:20 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: In the 60's my Dad had a Magget-box console stereo that had a "timbre" adjustment. This was, I believe, a treble control. Cool. Bob Luis Peromarta wrote: Timbre ;) rgds, LP. Kermit Gray escribi�: > of view, the clarinet is indeed "warmest" as to its musical TIMBRE (or > is it tambre? -- I'll have to look up the two terms). 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URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 21:50:45 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:50:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak calibration tools? Message-ID: <6bddc1110610181250o689afd5dme8cd7f25919b22c3@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have a good source for some of the more esoteric Nak calibration equipment? For instance, in trying to find a tape guide height check cauge I've scoured the net, watched eBay for months, called local test equipment and pro audio companies, even called Verbatim (who Information Terminals became at some point) to see if they maybe had some old units in a closet somewhere. Came up snake eyes on all rolls. I'd even take knockoff equipment that could do the job, Nakamichi appeared to defer quite often to gauges from Sony and other companies, who am I to argue with that? But I'm not seeing anything along those lines either, and contacting the (former) manufacturers just results in lots of laughter on the other end of the line :-) Any ideas? -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 18 22:23:29 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:23:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak calibration tools? Message-ID: <33AC73FD-12BD-42DF-B718-80625EF2105C@alumni.caltech.edu> There's been a lot of talk on this in the past, although you've provided info I didn't know then, so good job. I'd be interested as well. I, too am looking on Ebay. The only guy that has anything on a regular basis is the Turkish guy that only wants cash equivalent and is pretty pricey. In addition, I've decided that what he actually has is something I can do without--the head mount gauge. What I'd really like in rough order of most to least are: 1. tilt check gauge 2. the track alignment tape 3. The erase head height alignment 4. The various stroke check gauges The rest, while nice, I can probably do without for my purposes. Also, since these are sometimes, somewhat model specific, I'm mostly looking for ones for the 'classic' mechanism, and although having ones that are specific for the Dragon (although a classic mechanism it's somewhat different), I'm more interested in ones that work for the 6x0zx/700zxl/1000zxl, given what I tend to collect.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 18 22:32:43 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:32:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak calibration tools? Message-ID: Question: Is the erase head on the Nak decks (for the purposes of discussion, I'm mostly interested in the ones used on the 1000zxl/700zxl/dragon/680zx) essentially a "half-track" erase head or a two-channel "quarter-track" one? In particular, if I had an honest-to-goodness full-track or half- track recorded cassette, would running it over the erase head erase all the information on one side, or only where normal new tracks would be laid down (i.e. the latter is the "quarter-track" type)?-kby From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 18 23:21:44 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:21:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question In-Reply-To: <20061018194709.52478.qmail@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061018194709.52478.qmail@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2AD80B3C-86A3-4EF2-83D4-CD44098B40C1@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bob, I asked around and from what I gather the "timbre" control adjusted the inverse feedback or the bias (or both) slightly altering the magnitude and character of the amp's distortion, hence the amp's "timbre." On Oct 18, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > No. It also had a bass and treble along with the timbre. This was > middle 60's. > Bob > > Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Bob, > On Oct 18, 2006, at 8:20 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > >> In the 60's my Dad had a Magget-box console stereo that had a >> "timbre" adjustment. > > This was, I believe, a treble control. Cool. > >> Bob >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Timbre ;) >> >> rgds, LP. >> >> Kermit Gray escribi�: >> >> > of view, the clarinet is indeed "warmest" as to its musical >> TIMBRE (or >> > is it tambre? -- I'll have to look up the two terms). 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URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 18 23:26:26 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:26:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question In-Reply-To: <4535EE74.9020003@peromarta.org> References: <4535EE74.9020003@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <5A0A0E45-55B1-401F-8CAC-9B629E762482@woods-and-waters.com> Yes, timbre. Some very old scientific books use the term tambre, but it is only a spelling variation of timbre. I read many very old scientific books. My favorite very old science-related terms: Biauricular auduition -- meaning binaural sound. Gravest tone -- deepest bass note. Inflammable air -- hydrogen. Resinous charge -- lots and lots of static electricity. On Oct 18, 2006, at 4:05 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Timbre ;) > > rgds, LP. > > Kermit Gray escribió: > >> of view, the clarinet is indeed "warmest" as to its musical TIMBRE >> (or is it tambre? -- I'll have to look up the two terms). Refer to > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 18 23:43:05 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question In-Reply-To: <2AD80B3C-86A3-4EF2-83D4-CD44098B40C1@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20061018214305.42494.qmail@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Kermit. I do remember that the timbre control had very little effect on the sound however you could hear differences as you adjusted it. The best I could remember it was best adjusted somewhere in the middle. Do you mean the bias adjustment on the power amp transisters or in the pre-amp section? Bob Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Bob, I asked around and from what I gather the "timbre" control adjusted the inverse feedback or the bias (or both) slightly altering the magnitude and character of the amp's distortion, hence the amp's "timbre." On Oct 18, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: No. It also had a bass and treble along with the timbre. This was middle 60's. Bob Kermit Gray wrote: Hey Bob, On Oct 18, 2006, at 8:20 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: In the 60's my Dad had a Magget-box console stereo that had a "timbre" adjustment. This was, I believe, a treble control. Cool. Bob Luis Peromarta wrote: Timbre ;) rgds, LP. Kermit Gray escribi�: > of view, the clarinet is indeed "warmest" as to its musical TIMBRE (or > is it tambre? -- I'll have to look up the two terms). 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URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 19 03:12:10 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:12:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]The Warmth question In-Reply-To: <20061018214305.42494.qmail@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061018214305.42494.qmail@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Bob, On Oct 18, 2006, at 4:43 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Thanks Kermit. I do remember that the timbre control had very > little effect on the sound however you could hear differences as > you adjusted it. > The best I could remember it was best adjusted somewhere in the > middle. > Do you mean the bias adjustment on the power amp transisters or in > the pre-amp section? The nice retired fellow I talked to remembered selling this amp in the 1960s. His recollection was that it was adjusting the inverse feedback from the power output to the intermediate stage just before phase splitter. > Bob > > Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I asked around and from what I gather the "timbre" control adjusted > the inverse feedback or the bias (or both) slightly altering the > magnitude and character of the amp's distortion, hence the amp's > "timbre." > > On Oct 18, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > >> No. It also had a bass and treble along with the timbre. This >> was middle 60's. >> Bob >> >> Kermit Gray wrote: >> Hey Bob, >> On Oct 18, 2006, at 8:20 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: >> >>> In the 60's my Dad had a Magget-box console stereo that had a >>> "timbre" adjustment. >> >> This was, I believe, a treble control. Cool. >> Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Thu Oct 19 07:31:01 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:01:01 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] DR2 question Message-ID: Hi All Just got a DR2 ... was sent in a beautiful shape .. no scratches / dings except when it fell into the hands of the postal/railway a*****es .. who just about dumped it everywhere. Now the unit has some nice big dings, a bent cabinet and the weirdest problem of all .... the Rec. Level Master and balance potentiometers have come out. The PCB and the carbon area are detached while the pot bodies are attached to the main Nak body. The sender has already claimed for insurance ... im wondering if i should repair the thing or leave it as it is until the insurance inquiries are done ? Also, do both these pots have center detents or is it only the Balance pot ? Best Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. 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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:16:27 -0700From: madhurifan at yahoo.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] MR2 speed issues Hi All, I happened to rescue an MR2 from being left under a tree. I requested the owner to hand it over to me literally. Everything seems to work but has weird playback speed issues: 1. The speed suddenly shoots up for 5-8 seconds and comes back to normal speed 2. Sometimes it slips into a drawl as though it is lugging a load and returns to normal. 3. The pitch control is ultra sensitive, just a light touch of the knob makes the speed go all over. Pinch roller or belt or pitch control pot is all I can think of. One of them may have to be replaced. Is my guess correct? Thank you all in advance. Raghu Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. 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I would check pinch roller arms freedom. Remove all dried grease and lubricate. > 3. The pitch control is ultra sensitive, just a light touch of the knob > makes the speed go all over. This is common. Spray control cleaner with lubricant into the pot and work back and forth a few times. > > Pinch roller or belt or pitch control pot is all I can think of. One of > them may have to be replaced. Is my guess correct? These are good guesses to start with. Once verified, though, you may have to go further. Other (more remote) possibilities are capstan and/or reel motors. -- Ron > > Thank you all in advance. > > Raghu > From craig at leckband.com Thu Oct 19 17:39:47 2006 From: craig at leckband.com (Craig Leckband) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:39:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Serial # discrepancy Message-ID: <45379C43.2030200@leckband.com> Hi all, I have been a pretty quiet member now for some time, and have found a question that someone who has opened up more CR-7s than I could answer. I recently received a very nice looking CR-7 that I had carefully checked before buying had a serial number higher than either of the issues with the earlier ones ( ~ 10600). Imagine my surprise when I turned it on and FF/REW were sluggish, indicating the idler tire issue. I removed the cassette wall plate to find, surprise, the idler drive. I opened up the box, and on the inside of the rear of the deck was another serial # plate, and the serial numbers didn't match. The one on the inside was almost 900 numbers less, which I think would put it in range of the idler tire rather than the gear drive. The serial # plate on the outside looks to be untampered with. I believe it is genuine. So my questions are: are there usually 2 serial #s for a unit (CR-7 in particular) and can they differ for any good reason? How can I tell if the deck really does have the EQ mod of the later CR-7s? Thanks in advance for any insight into this. Craig From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 20:05:06 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Serial # discrepancy In-Reply-To: <45379C43.2030200@leckband.com> Message-ID: <20061019180506.97474.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have never seen two serial number plates in any CR7. So somebody had done this addition. I can send you the details of mods for Rec equalization and that would help you identify whether that is already in place. Rec equalization starts earlier than Gear drive mod. So probably your CR7 is having it? However contact your seller and if you had paid more than 500 $ - better get back your money as the Gear drive mod costs around 180-200 $ range. Kannan Craig Leckband wrote: Hi all, I have been a pretty quiet member now for some time, and have found a question that someone who has opened up more CR-7s than I could answer. I recently received a very nice looking CR-7 that I had carefully checked before buying had a serial number higher than either of the issues with the earlier ones ( ~ 10600). Imagine my surprise when I turned it on and FF/REW were sluggish, indicating the idler tire issue. I removed the cassette wall plate to find, surprise, the idler drive. I opened up the box, and on the inside of the rear of the deck was another serial # plate, and the serial numbers didn't match. The one on the inside was almost 900 numbers less, which I think would put it in range of the idler tire rather than the gear drive. The serial # plate on the outside looks to be untampered with. I believe it is genuine. So my questions are: are there usually 2 serial #s for a unit (CR-7 in particular) and can they differ for any good reason? How can I tell if the deck really does have the EQ mod of the later CR-7s? Thanks in advance for any insight into this. 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URL: From flifton at mac.com Thu Oct 19 22:02:58 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:02:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] rewinding In-Reply-To: <200610191000.k9JA04Tg028439@zxe.naks.com> References: <200610191000.k9JA04Tg028439@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0E0A27E3-2E16-4BC4-BF8A-551C3B66A213@mac.com> My CR3a takes almost a full minute longer (56 sec.) than my ZX7 to rewind one full side of a C-90. I tested with identical freshly unwrapped XLII 90's. Is this normal? It seems strange that the newer machine would be the slower of the two. Both decks are in excellent working condition, having been serviced by Stephen Sank and ESL, although the ZX7 was rebuilt a year ago while the CR3 was serviced by Sank at least 4 years ago. Thoughts? cheers, Fred (the one in Oregon) From madhurifan at yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 22:17:26 2006 From: madhurifan at yahoo.com (Raghuram Yedatore) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR2 speed issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061019201726.59074.qmail@web51007.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Alex and Ron, Thank you for your suggestions. Will work on it over the weekend and send an update. Raghu Alex Cozac wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Dear Raghu, Concerning...3. The pitch control is ultra sensitive, just a light touch of the knob makes the speed go all over. My tip; is to move it forth & back at least 20 times powered OFF of course...to clean the internally contacts. After so I hope that will work as was intended! Regarding all the others issues...leave it ON for at least 24 hours ALL THE TIME...maybe the electronics, after a long time NOT be powered ON...will return to work well! Inform us if so happens? Good luck & peace; ALEX! --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:16:27 -0700 From: madhurifan at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MR2 speed issues Hi All, I happened to rescue an MR2 from being left under a tree. I requested the owner to hand it over to me literally. Everything seems to work but has weird playback speed issues: 1. The speed suddenly shoots up for 5-8 seconds and comes back to normal speed 2. Sometimes it slips into a drawl as though it is lugging a load and returns to normal. 3. The pitch control is ultra sensitive, just a light touch of the knob makes the speed go all over. Pinch roller or belt or pitch control pot is all I can think of. One of them may have to be replaced. Is my guess correct? Thank you all in advance. Raghu --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Fri Oct 20 20:54:46 2006 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:54:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Vinyl/tape conversion to digital Message-ID: <45391B76.8060603@caribsurf.com> CNET has just published a question/answer dealing with the subject. You may find it of interest Barry's winning answer , Regards Paul C From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 21 00:05:19 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Vinyl/tape conversion to digital In-Reply-To: <45391B76.8060603@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <20061020220519.66369.qmail@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use "cakewalk pyro" You can edit, adjust volume, fade outs/ins etc to get a professional sounding audio track. Bob N Paul Carrington wrote: CNET has just published a question/answer dealing with the subject. You may find it of interest Barry's winning answer , Regards Paul C ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Oct 21 14:51:27 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:51:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings In-Reply-To: <4FA807CF-D38B-4777-A346-8C93CC7932A4@woods-and-waters.com> References: <21675915.1160678987016.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> <3A2F601B-41D0-4857-8E34-3AD89D0C96B5@woods-and-waters.com> <4530F226.1030107@yahoo.ca> <67B07317-C7BE-4173-B7A2-CA726CCF1273@woods-and-waters.com> <4532972B.8070706@yahoo.ca> <4FA807CF-D38B-4777-A346-8C93CC7932A4@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:57:22 -0500, Kermit Gray wrote: >I'm not a big fan of data compression, lossless or otherwise. I'd >enjoy hearing your experience with the different data compression >schemes. None of the above mentioned system are lossy, but to add to the list of lossless there is Monkey's Audio and also Shorten. Both can be used on a CDR and harddrive with integration into Nero cd burning software and also WinAMP. There might be plugins for more programs out there but those are the two programs I need to use audio files with. I am not using mp3 as a storage format anymore. When I do it is because the original material does not warrant being high bitrate nor terribly accurate, such as speech or old low-hi radio broadcasts. I never really got into using other lossy compression schemes, not even the open source Ogg Vorbis. I found there was too little or no suppoort from hardware vendors. Now it may be different but I cannot buy new gadgets all the time. To make a complete cd / vinyl / cassette / reel album usable to me I have chosen to make audio cds and also make a repository of files on my harddrive which depending of the material is mostly Monkey's Audio and some Lame MP3. I use one file per media side and to keep segments and tracks separate I use the CUE file which cd writing software also uses to separate one file into several audio tracks. Also as I only play them back on my computer using WinAMP I use the CUEPlayer pluging which allows me to use the CUE file for cd writing to look at a single file for a media side such as Side B of a Steppenwolf open reel tape as 5 tracks each indivually accessible using the name and track length. If I need to make a CD of a Monkey's Audio file I tell Nero to open the CUE file and burn it to a cd. Nero already has been given the plugins off the internet and unless I need a new version of them I am good to go the minute I lose a cd or one becomes unplayable. having audio cds made right away and also lossless compressed files on my harddrive means I have replace any of the medias quickly, wheras if I lost the original vinyl, CD or tape I'd be out money for the media and the shipping. With the cost of cdr discs today the shipping is almost nothing per disc and I get 2-3 cds per $1. I sometimes see DVDR discs just as cheap. I use the DVDR discs to store my favorite albums in the Monkey's Audio files, which are about 57 % of the original size. I like to transfer albums that are hard to get. I still need to find Smiler by Rod Stewart on CD, so if I am not lucky I guess I will finish transferring his old 70s albums. But I only like a few songs on each so ideally I'd like to skip the transfers and just find the albums cheap used on CD. >> By the way, I don't know what you think about this, I told in my >> Audacity/foobar2000 guide to edit the files with 32-bit and then >> convert the final result to 16-bit once all the editing is done, do >> you think it's better to record @ 32bit, set the volume, convert to >> 16-bit and mix everything up? > >Wow! You mean there's a software OTHER THAN professional DAWs that >has 32 bit editing! Fab! I must grab one of these for myself! >DEFINITELY doing all the processing and mixing at 32 bit then >downconverting to 16 bit is better than working in either 16 bit or >24 bit. My first DAw was a Studer Dyaxis -- it was only 16 bit but it >did sound wonderful -- until you did heavy editing or processing. CoolEdit (used to be Syntrillium now Adobe Audition) has ben able to handle 32-bit for *many* years. It is prety advanced and offers multitrack editing too. I have used it since 1997 back when I found it as "CoolEdit96". It used to be shareware but now it is one of Adobes programs. If you get the Audition version get v1.5 or higher, v1.0 has a lot of undesirable side effects in the user interface. -Mikkel From luis at peromarta.org Sat Oct 21 17:19:30 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:19:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Decks for sale 100ZXL and 600-II Message-ID: <453A3A82.8030002@peromarta.org> Dear all, With the arrival of my minter ZX-9, some decks have to go. They are right now out on ebay, items: 280039764154 1000 ZXL, 220V unit (internally rewireable for 120V), excelent mechanical and cosmetic condition. Beautiful playback. No recording - probably a logic issue. Might need belts soon. Cleaned, demagged, calibrated. 280039777067 600-II, dual 120-220V unit, really nice machine. Really very good overall condition. Cleaned, demagged, some power supply caps upgraded, quiet, fully calibrated to spec. Excellent oportunity. All go professionally packed to anywhere in the world. I would be willing to put them out of the auction for a reasonable offer. Contact me off list if you are interested. Best rgds, LP. From madhurifan at yahoo.com Sun Oct 22 02:54:29 2006 From: madhurifan at yahoo.com (Raghuram Yedatore) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor rebuilding Q. Fixed! In-Reply-To: <20061008004236.839.qmail@web51010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061022005430.36319.qmail@web51015.mail.yahoo.com> My Nak CR-2A is alive again and kicking. I don't know what I owe Mike for sending me the motor, he didn't want the mailing expenses. Once I put the motor it started working like there was no issue at all. Ron, Thanks for all your tips they are dead on. Soumi, While waiting for the motor from Mike, I gold hold of a few motors in an attempt to reconstruct the brush as you suggested. Nak motor had such a small brush I had to be a master at assembling precision instruments. I couldn't have done justice. I haven't gotten around to my MR-2 yet to clean the pitch control POT and lubricating the pinch roller. Today, I am one happy camper. Thanks again to all of you. Raghu Raghuram Yedatore wrote: Ron, Mike and Dean, Thank you so much! I feel relieved. Hope you have a spare one lying around. I am located in San Mateo, CA. USA. I have attached a picture of the brush along with a ruler. This should help in identifying any motor that has similar brush. While searching the web, I came across this motor which has lot of similarities in terms of mechanical (including mounting hole distance - 16mm) and electrical specs. to the control motor. Of course, I do not know the RPM rating of the Nak control motor. Is there anyway to get the specs of the Nak motor? http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/en_US/cat_files/rs_360sh.pdf Please let me know if you have spare one. I can send you a check or pay via paypal. I see these two numbers on the motor: VA700B04 & 90310-B Thank you. Raghu N4229K at aol.com wrote: I may have one of these Dean In a message dated 10/7/2006 12:35:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: It's CA80007A -- Ron lenaw wrote: > Do you know the part number of the motor? There may be one in my inventory. > Thanks. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:07 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play,FF or Rew - motor rebuilding > question > > > Raghu, > > Too bad about the brush... > > I don't know where you can buy a motor. Try ESL in CT. > You may be able to obtain a replacement brush from > someone that has a bad motor with a good brush. Can > anyone on this email list help? > > Where are you located? > > -- Ron > > --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! 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I don't know what I owe > Mike for sending me the motor, he didn't want the mailing expenses. > Once I put the motor it started working like there was no issue at > all. > > Ron, > Thanks for all your tips they are dead on. > > Soumi, > While waiting for the motor from Mike, I gold hold of a few > motors in an attempt to reconstruct the brush as you suggested. Nak > motor had such a small brush I had to be a master at assembling > precision instruments. I couldn't have done justice. > > I haven't gotten around to my MR-2 yet to clean the pitch control > POT and lubricating the pinch roller. > > Today, I am one happy camper. > > Thanks again to all of you. > > Raghu > > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > Ron, Mike and Dean, > > Thank you so much! I feel relieved. Hope you have a spare one > lying around. > > I am located in San Mateo, CA. USA. > > I have attached a picture of the brush along with a ruler. This > should help in identifying any motor that has similar brush. > > While searching the web, I came across this motor which has lot > of similarities in terms of mechanical (including mounting hole > distance - 16mm) and electrical specs. to the control motor. Of > course, I do not know the RPM rating of the Nak control motor. Is > there anyway to get the specs of the Nak motor? > > http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/en_US/cat_files/rs_360sh.pdf > > Please let me know if you have spare one. I can send you a check > or pay via paypal. > > I see these two numbers on the motor: VA700B04 & 90310-B > > Thank you. > > Raghu > > N4229K at aol.com wrote: > I may have one of these > Dean > > > In a message dated 10/7/2006 12:35:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > It's CA80007A > > -- Ron > > > > > lenaw wrote: > > Do you know the part number of the motor? There may be one in my > inventory. > > Thanks. > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On Behalf > > Of Ron > > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:07 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play,FF or Rew - motor > rebuilding > > question > > > > > > Raghu, > > > > Too bad about the brush... > > > > I don't know where you can buy a motor. Try ESL in CT. > > You may be able to obtain a replacement brush from > > someone that has a bad motor with a good brush. Can > > anyone on this email list help? > > > > Where are you located? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! > Small Business.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Sun Oct 22 13:18:11 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:18:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A proposal In-Reply-To: <200610061001.k96A0SKW004031@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Soumi I've just returned from a 2-week vacation and I haven't had chance to read what other list members have replied to you about the idea of a "home" for reference material. Personally, as a less experienced member, I'm certain that I've submitted questions which have been asked and answered many times so I think your idea is a very good one. I recently downloaded every single NakTalk mail thread archived on the Naks.com site so let me know if you want me to do some searches on the most-asked questions to get you started if there is enough support. Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 22 14:56:41 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:56:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor rebuilding Q. Fixed! In-Reply-To: <20061022005430.36319.qmail@web51015.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061022005430.36319.qmail@web51015.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <453B6A89.3050308@rcn.com> Raghu, Congratulations on the successful repair of your CR-2. I suggest you keep the bad control motor. While you probably won't need it, please do not throw it away. Better to donate it to someone that can use it for parts, to rebuild another motor. The Pitch potentiometer slider passes DC and has a limited life. Even a new one will eventually die. Yours may be not just dirty, but sections of the track may actually be eaten away. If so, cleaning won't do any good (it can't do any harm, either, so it's worthwhile to try), and replacement will then be the only recourse. Or, disconnect and live without pitch control. -- Ron Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > > My Nak CR-2A is alive again and kicking. I don't know what I owe Mike > for sending me the motor, he didn't want the mailing expenses. Once I > put the motor it started working like there was no issue at all. > > Ron, > Thanks for all your tips they are dead on. > Soumi, > While waiting for the motor from Mike, I gold hold of a few motors in an > attempt to reconstruct the brush as you suggested. Nak motor had such a > small brush I had to be a master at assembling precision instruments. I > couldn't have done justice. > > I haven't gotten around to my MR-2 yet to clean the pitch control POT > and lubricating the pinch roller. > > Today, I am one happy camper. > > Thanks again to all of you. > > Raghu > > > */Raghuram Yedatore /* wrote: > > Ron, Mike and Dean, > > Thank you so much! I feel relieved. Hope you have a spare one lying > around. > > I am located in San Mateo, CA. USA. > > I have attached a picture of the brush along with a ruler. This > should help in identifying any motor that has similar brush. > > While searching the web, I came across this motor which has lot of > similarities in terms of mechanical (including mounting hole > distance - 16mm) and electrical specs. to the control motor. Of > course, I do not know the RPM rating of the Nak control motor. Is > there anyway to get the specs of the Nak motor? > > http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/en_US/cat_files/rs_360sh.pdf > > Please let me know if you have spare one. I can send you a check or > pay via paypal. > > I see these two numbers on the motor: VA700B04 & 90310-B > > Thank you. > > Raghu > > */N4229K at aol.com/* wrote: > > I may have one of these > Dean > > > In a message dated 10/7/2006 12:35:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > It's CA80007A > > -- Ron > > > > > lenaw wrote: > > Do you know the part number of the motor? There may be > one in my inventory. > > Thanks. > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > > Of Ron > > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:07 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play,FF or Rew - > motor rebuilding > > question > > > > > > Raghu, > > > > Too bad about the brush... > > > > I don't know where you can buy a motor. Try ESL in CT. > > You may be able to obtain a replacement brush from > > someone that has a bad motor with a good brush. Can > > anyone on this email list help? > > > > Where are you located? > > > > -- Ron > > > From martinbugter at home.nl Sun Oct 22 16:41:57 2006 From: martinbugter at home.nl (Martin Bugter.) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:41:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 64 References: <200610221004.k9MA1OkC030401@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001e01c6f5e8$39cb9960$0200a8c0@pcmartin> Hoi Peter, Ja dat lijkt mij ook. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 64 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: slightly off topic analog to CD recordings (Mikkel Breiler) > 2. Decks for sale 100ZXL and 600-II (Luis Peromarta) > 3. Re: CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor rebuilding Q. > Fixed! (Raghuram Yedatore) > 4. Re: CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor rebuilding Q. > Fixed! (Scott Johnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:51:27 +0200 > From: Mikkel Breiler > Subject: Re: [naktalk] slightly off topic analog to CD recordings > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:57:22 -0500, Kermit Gray > wrote: > >>I'm not a big fan of data compression, lossless or otherwise. I'd >>enjoy hearing your experience with the different data compression >>schemes. > > None of the above mentioned system are lossy, but to add to the list of > lossless > there is Monkey's Audio and also Shorten. Both can be used on a CDR and > harddrive > with integration into Nero cd burning software and also WinAMP. There > might be > plugins for more programs out there but those are the two programs I need > to use > audio files with. > I am not using mp3 as a storage format anymore. When I do it is because > the original > material does not warrant being high bitrate nor terribly accurate, such > as speech or > old low-hi radio broadcasts. > I never really got into using other lossy compression schemes, not even > the open > source Ogg Vorbis. I found there was too little or no suppoort from > hardware vendors. > Now it may be different but I cannot buy new gadgets all the time. > > To make a complete cd / vinyl / cassette / reel album usable to me I have > chosen to > make audio cds and also make a repository of files on my harddrive which > depending of > the material is mostly Monkey's Audio and some Lame MP3. I use one file > per media > side and to keep segments and tracks separate I use the CUE file which cd > writing > software also uses to separate one file into several audio tracks. Also as > I only > play them back on my computer using WinAMP I use the CUEPlayer pluging > which allows > me to use the CUE file for cd writing to look at a single file for a media > side such > as Side B of a Steppenwolf open reel tape as 5 tracks each indivually > accessible > using the name and track length. > If I need to make a CD of a Monkey's Audio file I tell Nero to open the > CUE file and > burn it to a cd. Nero already has been given the plugins off the internet > and unless > I need a new version of them I am good to go the minute I lose a cd or one > becomes > unplayable. > having audio cds made right away and also lossless compressed files on my > harddrive > means I have replace any of the medias quickly, wheras if I lost the > original vinyl, > CD or tape I'd be out money for the media and the shipping. With the cost > of cdr > discs today the shipping is almost nothing per disc and I get 2-3 cds per > $1. I > sometimes see DVDR discs just as cheap. > > I use the DVDR discs to store my favorite albums in the Monkey's Audio > files, which > are about 57 % of the original size. > > I like to transfer albums that are hard to get. I still need to find > Smiler by Rod > Stewart on CD, so if I am not lucky I guess I will finish transferring his > old 70s > albums. But I only like a few songs on each so ideally I'd like to skip > the transfers > and just find the albums cheap used on CD. > >>> By the way, I don't know what you think about this, I told in my >>> Audacity/foobar2000 guide to edit the files with 32-bit and then >>> convert the final result to 16-bit once all the editing is done, do >>> you think it's better to record @ 32bit, set the volume, convert to >>> 16-bit and mix everything up? >> >>Wow! You mean there's a software OTHER THAN professional DAWs that >>has 32 bit editing! Fab! I must grab one of these for myself! >>DEFINITELY doing all the processing and mixing at 32 bit then >>downconverting to 16 bit is better than working in either 16 bit or >>24 bit. My first DAw was a Studer Dyaxis -- it was only 16 bit but it >>did sound wonderful -- until you did heavy editing or processing. > > CoolEdit (used to be Syntrillium now Adobe Audition) has ben able to > handle 32-bit > for *many* years. It is prety advanced and offers multitrack editing too. > I have used > it since 1997 back when I found it as "CoolEdit96". > It used to be shareware but now it is one of Adobes programs. > If you get the Audition version get v1.5 or higher, v1.0 has a lot of > undesirable > side effects in the user interface. > > -Mikkel > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:19:30 +0200 > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: [naktalk] Decks for sale 100ZXL and 600-II > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <453A3A82.8030002 at peromarta.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dear all, > > With the arrival of my minter ZX-9, some decks have to go. They are > right now out on ebay, items: > > 280039764154 1000 ZXL, 220V unit (internally rewireable for 120V), > excelent mechanical and cosmetic condition. Beautiful playback. No > recording - probably a logic issue. Might need belts soon. Cleaned, > demagged, calibrated. > > 280039777067 600-II, dual 120-220V unit, really nice machine. Really > very good overall condition. Cleaned, demagged, some power supply caps > upgraded, quiet, fully calibrated to spec. Excellent oportunity. > > All go professionally packed to anywhere in the world. I would be > willing to put them out of the auction for a reasonable offer. > > Contact me off list if you are interested. > > Best rgds, LP. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:54:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: Raghuram Yedatore > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor > rebuilding Q. Fixed! > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20061022005430.36319.qmail at web51015.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > My Nak CR-2A is alive again and kicking. I don't know what I owe Mike for > sending me the motor, he didn't want the mailing expenses. Once I put the > motor it started working like there was no issue at all. > > Ron, > Thanks for all your tips they are dead on. > > Soumi, > While waiting for the motor from Mike, I gold hold of a few motors in an > attempt to reconstruct the brush as you suggested. Nak motor had such a > small brush I had to be a master at assembling precision instruments. I > couldn't have done justice. > > I haven't gotten around to my MR-2 yet to clean the pitch control POT and > lubricating the pinch roller. > > Today, I am one happy camper. > > Thanks again to all of you. > > Raghu > > > Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > Ron, Mike and Dean, > > Thank you so much! I feel relieved. Hope you have a spare one lying > around. > > I am located in San Mateo, CA. USA. > > I have attached a picture of the brush along with a ruler. This should > help in identifying any motor that has similar brush. > > While searching the web, I came across this motor which has lot of > similarities in terms of mechanical (including mounting hole distance - > 16mm) and electrical specs. to the control motor. Of course, I do not know > the RPM rating of the Nak control motor. Is there anyway to get the specs > of the Nak motor? > > http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/en_US/cat_files/rs_360sh.pdf > > Please let me know if you have spare one. I can send you a check or pay > via paypal. > > I see these two numbers on the motor: VA700B04 & 90310-B > > Thank you. > > Raghu > > N4229K at aol.com wrote: > I may have one of these > Dean > > > In a message dated 10/7/2006 12:35:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > It's CA80007A > > -- Ron > > > > > lenaw wrote: >> Do you know the part number of the motor? There may be one in my >> inventory. >> Thanks. >> >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Ron >> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:07 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play,FF or Rew - motor rebuilding >> question >> >> >> Raghu, >> >> Too bad about the brush... >> >> I don't know where you can buy a motor. Try ESL in CT. >> You may be able to obtain a replacement brush from >> someone that has a bad motor with a good brush. Can >> anyone on this email list help? >> >> Where are you located? >> >> -- Ron >> >> > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small > Business. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20061021/1eb49116/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:30:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play, FF or Rew - motor > rebuilding Q. Fixed! > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20061022043003.8001.qmail at web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > If the MR-2 pitch control is the same as the one on the MR-1 then > cleaning it will only make it worse. I had 107 MR-1's and the > biggest problems have been bad VU Meters (due to brown glue-easily > repaired), Timer switch (fixed with contact cleaner) and pitch > control (intermittant and unrepairable). On the MR-1 I can > disconnect the pot and it works great, of course with no pitch > capability. > > SJ > > > --- Raghuram Yedatore wrote: > >> >> My Nak CR-2A is alive again and kicking. I don't know what I owe >> Mike for sending me the motor, he didn't want the mailing expenses. >> Once I put the motor it started working like there was no issue at >> all. >> >> Ron, >> Thanks for all your tips they are dead on. >> >> Soumi, >> While waiting for the motor from Mike, I gold hold of a few >> motors in an attempt to reconstruct the brush as you suggested. Nak >> motor had such a small brush I had to be a master at assembling >> precision instruments. I couldn't have done justice. >> >> I haven't gotten around to my MR-2 yet to clean the pitch control >> POT and lubricating the pinch roller. >> >> Today, I am one happy camper. >> >> Thanks again to all of you. >> >> Raghu >> >> >> Raghuram Yedatore wrote: >> Ron, Mike and Dean, >> >> Thank you so much! I feel relieved. Hope you have a spare one >> lying around. >> >> I am located in San Mateo, CA. USA. >> >> I have attached a picture of the brush along with a ruler. This >> should help in identifying any motor that has similar brush. >> >> While searching the web, I came across this motor which has lot >> of similarities in terms of mechanical (including mounting hole >> distance - 16mm) and electrical specs. to the control motor. Of >> course, I do not know the RPM rating of the Nak control motor. Is >> there anyway to get the specs of the Nak motor? >> >> http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/en_US/cat_files/rs_360sh.pdf >> >> Please let me know if you have spare one. I can send you a check >> or pay via paypal. >> >> I see these two numbers on the motor: VA700B04 & 90310-B >> >> Thank you. >> >> Raghu >> >> N4229K at aol.com wrote: >> I may have one of these >> Dean >> >> >> In a message dated 10/7/2006 12:35:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> ra.ah at rcn.com writes: >> It's CA80007A >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> lenaw wrote: >> > Do you know the part number of the motor? There may be one in my >> inventory. >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >> On Behalf >> > Of Ron >> > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:07 AM >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-2A does not Play,FF or Rew - motor >> rebuilding >> > question >> > >> > >> > Raghu, >> > >> > Too bad about the brush... >> > >> > I don't know where you can buy a motor. Try ESL in CT. >> > You may be able to obtain a replacement brush from >> > someone that has a bad motor with a good brush. Can >> > anyone on this email list help? >> > >> > Where are you located? >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! >> Small Business.> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 64 > *************************************** > > > __________ NOD32 1.1823 (20061022) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Oct 22 19:46:54 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:16:54 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] New Forum established Message-ID: Hi all I have just setup the new forum here : http://soumitrab.com/Naks/ And its in the Nak colors (mostly) and should be used only for referential posts, well ... you know what you can do with it. I hope its useful and all the best Best Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sun Oct 22 20:44:43 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:44:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] New Forum established References: Message-ID: <061d01c6f60a$242bbd70$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Alright! Thanks, I'm registered ----- Original Message ----- From: s b To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] New Forum established Hi all I have just setup the new forum here : http://soumitrab.com/Naks/ And its in the Nak colors (mostly) and should be used only for referential posts, well ... you know what you can do with it. 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URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Oct 23 23:48:59 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:48:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? Message-ID: <6bddc1110610231448t8f8bbbr883502908ebf263c@mail.gmail.com> In researching the kind of calibration tapes I would need for the various Naks I have, I notice in the service manuals that there are at least two variants of level, track alignment, and playback frequency response tapes that I would need depending on the Nak model, two different azimuth alignment tapes, and three different wow/flutter tapes. Is there some rhyme or reason to this, and will the duplicate calibration tapes offered on eBay work in all Nak decks or do I need calibration tapes reproduced on a calibrated deck of the type I want to adjust? Is this making any sense or am I confusing a simple issue? -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Oct 24 00:20:32 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:20:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? Message-ID: Check Scott Johnson's page which has a list of tapes: How does what you are looking at compare to that list (which I thought was all I've seen)? I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment tape except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and was previously discussed, it has a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where the tracks ARE. The only way someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette tape with a full-track head, then erase only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently and got no response, but I'm not sure even if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly aligned Nak you could do it since I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not quarter- track. But I don't know that.-kby From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Oct 24 00:46:54 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:46:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6bddc1110610231546q12b92272q38a894eecb6c8a0e@mail.gmail.com> I went through every service manual I had access to and filled out a spreadsheet with the Nak model down the left and the type of tape across the top. The main Nak item number, for the 3 kHz wow/flutter tape for instance, is DA09006, but there are A, B and C variants depending on the deck being serviced. The 15 kHz azimuth alignment tape is DA09004, but DA09004A is for the 480, 481, 550, 581, 582, 600, 680ZX, 1000ZXL, BX-1, and LX-5 while DA09004B is for the BX-300, Dragon, Cassette Deck 1, RX-202 and RX-505. I don't see any rhyme or reason here indicating a pattern that this follows; difference between numbers of heads, type of head, anything. In any case it follows that these are different tapes for adjusting different decks for a reason, but could I use a copy of DA09004B duped on a Dragon to align the azimuth of my 481, which according to the service manual requires DA09004A? -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 24 01:22:20 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:22:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110610231546q12b92272q38a894eecb6c8a0e@mail.gmail.co m> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061023182220.007a4470@earthlink.net> The suffix letters in all nak part numbers is always ignored. so the answer is, the tapes are all the same. i would expect the record sx and ex standard tapes would change with the CR series. tom brucker At 05:46 PM 10/23/06 -0500, you wrote: >>>> I went through every service manual I had access to and filled out a spreadsheet with the Nak model down the left and the type of tape across the top. The main Nak item number, for the 3 kHz wow/flutter tape for instance, is DA09006, but there are A, B and C variants depending on the deck being serviced. The 15 kHz azimuth alignment tape is DA09004, but DA09004A is for the 480, 481, 550, 581, 582, 600, 680ZX, 1000ZXL, BX-1, and LX-5 while DA09004B is for the BX-300, Dragon, Cassette Deck 1, RX-202 and RX-505. I don't see any rhyme or reason here indicating a pattern that this follows; difference between numbers of heads, type of head, anything. In any case it follows that these are different tapes for adjusting different decks for a reason, but could I use a copy of DA09004B duped on a Dragon to align the azimuth of my 481, which according to the service manual requires DA09004A? -Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 24 13:44:48 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061024114448.64290.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I dont know if u r aware that test tapes are not recorded by passing over a "head of any track format. Infact the pancake loaded with tape is fed thru a circular oscillator coil fed with signal to record it and is wound on another blank pancake on the other end. Then that tape is later cut and leaders are added and fed into cassette shells or spooled on to reels. rgds Khan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Check Scott Johnson's page which has a list of tapes: How does what you are looking at compare to that list (which I thought was all I've seen)? I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment tape except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and was previously discussed, it has a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where the tracks ARE. The only way someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette tape with a full-track head, then erase only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently and got no response, but I'm not sure even if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly aligned Nak you could do it since I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not quarter- track. But I don't know that.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Tue Oct 24 14:57:09 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:57:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? References: <20061024114448.64290.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c6f76b$ef689e10$b207010a@hurtignok> Very interesting... Had an idea that the tapes were made in a reel to reel setup but with a traditional head. Are test tapes for the cassette format still produced? I know that Luis Peromarta makes a set of Nakamichi test tapes that should be pretty good taking into consideration that he uses tapedecks to make the tapes. Best Regards, Per. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? Hi, I dont know if u r aware that test tapes are not recorded by passing over a "head of any track format. Infact the pancake loaded with tape is fed thru a circular oscillator coil fed with signal to record it and is wound on another blank pancake on the other end. Then that tape is later cut and leaders are added and fed into cassette shells or spooled on to reels. rgds Khan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Check Scott Johnson's page which has a list of tapes: How does what you are looking at compare to that list (which I thought was all I've seen)? I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment tape except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and was previously discussed, it has a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where the tracks ARE. The only way someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette tape with a full-track head, then erase only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently and got no response, but I'm not sure even if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly aligned Nak you could do it since I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not quarter- track. But I don't know that.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax From luis at peromarta.org Tue Oct 24 15:45:33 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:45:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <001801c6f76b$ef689e10$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <20061024114448.64290.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001801c6f76b$ef689e10$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <453E18FD.10207@peromarta.org> Dear all, I have a set of Nakamichi Originals, and a set of Teac originals too. I can make pretty good clones of 400Hz, 15KHz and 3KHz tapes. How can I measure the quality of these tapes? I test them to see if they produce the exact same results as the originals in several decks. And they do, with the only exception being the 3Khz tape, that includes my own W&F, which is extremely low, but *may* add some to you reading. I can't, however, make a clone of the Nakamichi track alignment tape. As previously described, the tapes is probably 1KHz full track erased at the exact track height position. Or maybe it's a blank tape with only the small gap between the tracks recorded. Non of my gear can do that. But I can record a precise 1KHz tone 0dB, and test the tape by adjusting head heigh to produce maximum output, and see if it puts the deck's head in the same position. And it does. I have tried several ocasions to calibrate one of my decks with my own tapes, and re-check with originals. I never had to move them from where my test tapes rendered them. Doing the same with my set of TEAC tapes, don't put the deck in the same position. I am writting a small "Calibration FAQ" to be on line soon, but it's not quite ready yet. Hope this clarifies a little the proccess. Best rgds, LP. Per escribió: > Very interesting... Had an idea that the tapes were made > in a reel to reel setup but with a traditional head. Are > test tapes for the cassette format still produced? I know > that Luis Peromarta makes a set of Nakamichi test tapes > that should be pretty good taking into consideration that > he uses tapedecks to make the tapes. Best Regards, Per. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? > > > Hi, I dont know if u r aware that test tapes are not recorded by passing > over a "head of any track format. Infact the pancake loaded with tape is > fed thru a circular oscillator coil fed with signal to record it and is > wound on another blank pancake on the other end. Then that tape is later > cut and leaders are added and fed into cassette shells or spooled on to > reels. > > rgds > > Khan > > "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > Check Scott Johnson's page which has a list of tapes: > > > How does what you are looking at compare to that list (which I > thought was all I've seen)? > > I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment tape > except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way > to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and was > previously discussed, it has > a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where the > tracks ARE. The only way > someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette tape > with a full-track head, then erase > only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently and > got no response, but I'm not sure even > if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly > aligned Nak you could do it since > I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not quarter- > track. But I don't know that.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Dr. N. Khan > Design Engineer > Mequon Manufacture LLC. > CAGE Code 3A3Z8 > 738 Grand Avenue > Mequon, WI 53092 > 414-406-2066 > 262-238-1047 fax > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Tue Oct 24 16:39:44 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:39:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? References: <20061024114448.64290.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001801c6f76b$ef689e10$b207010a@hurtignok> <453E18FD.10207@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <004b01c6f77a$4770e690$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Luis, Thanks for the post - it does clarify things (at least for me) and I thinks it is great that we have a source test tapes that - according to your post - can bring us as close to the results of having the original Nakamichi test tapes. And that is what matters. Do anyone out there have positive feedback about using your tapes? That would be nice to hear, too. Anyway - I think I am prepared to buy a set of your tapes from what I have heard / read so far. Thanks again for your reply / post. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? > Dear all, > > I have a set of Nakamichi Originals, and a set of Teac originals too. I > can make pretty good clones of 400Hz, 15KHz and 3KHz tapes. > > How can I measure the quality of these tapes? I test them to see if they > produce the exact same results as the originals in several decks. And > they do, with the only exception being the 3Khz tape, that includes my own W&F, which is extremely low, but *may* add some to you > reading. > > I can't, however, make a clone of the Nakamichi track alignment tape. As > previously described, the tapes is probably 1KHz full track erased at the exact track height position. Or maybe it's a blank tape > with only the small gap between the tracks recorded. Non of my gear can do that. > > But I can record a precise 1KHz tone 0dB, and test the tape by adjusting > head heigh to produce maximum output, and see if it puts the deck's head in the same position. And it does. > > I have tried several ocasions to calibrate one of my decks with my own tapes, and re-check with originals. I never had to move > them from where my test tapes rendered them. > > Doing the same with my set of TEAC tapes, don't put the deck in the same position. > > I am writting a small "Calibration FAQ" to be on line soon, but it's not quite ready yet. > > Hope this clarifies a little the proccess. > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > Per escribió: >> Very interesting... Had an idea that the tapes were made >> in a reel to reel setup but with a traditional head. Are >> test tapes for the cassette format still produced? I know >> that Luis Peromarta makes a set of Nakamichi test tapes >> that should be pretty good taking into consideration that >> he uses tapedecks to make the tapes. Best Regards, Per. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? >> >> >> Hi, I dont know if u r aware that test tapes are not recorded by passing over a "head of any track format. Infact the pancake >> loaded with tape is fed thru a circular oscillator coil fed with signal to record it and is wound on another blank pancake on the >> other end. Then that tape is later cut and leaders are added and fed into cassette shells or spooled on to reels. >> >> rgds >> >> Khan >> >> "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: >> Check Scott Johnson's page which has a list of tapes: >> >> >> How does what you are looking at compare to that list (which I >> thought was all I've seen)? >> >> I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment tape >> except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way >> to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and was >> previously discussed, it has >> a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where the >> tracks ARE. The only way >> someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette tape >> with a full-track head, then erase >> only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently and >> got no response, but I'm not sure even >> if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly >> aligned Nak you could do it since >> I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not quarter- >> track. But I don't know that.-kby >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> Dr. N. Khan >> Design Engineer >> Mequon Manufacture LLC. >> CAGE Code 3A3Z8 >> 738 Grand Avenue >> Mequon, WI 53092 >> 414-406-2066 >> 262-238-1047 fax >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 24 16:56:52 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <453E18FD.10207@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20061024145652.42037.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and called a test tape. Only the ossicilator method is utilized to make test tapes. If u really want to "see" what your tape heads are putting as "tracks", a solution called MAGNASEE can be sprayed on the physical tape, and viola! the tracks become visible. I used to do this while aligning mecanics on larger 2" tape machines etc. Magnasee, Visiomag and Magnaview are difficult to find any longer, as they contained CTC and Freon, they are all collidal iron oxide solutions. While working at the Nakamichi Research labs, we had our own oscillator system to produce test tapes, but also had tapes from STL, MRL, and Mitsubishi as master references. We even "loaded" test tape into various commercial cassette shells to test the integrity of the cassette shells! Most of the everyday test cassettes were made with the shells from GPX in Australia. rgds Khan Luis Peromarta wrote: Dear all, I have a set of Nakamichi Originals, and a set of Teac originals too. I can make pretty good clones of 400Hz, 15KHz and 3KHz tapes. How can I measure the quality of these tapes? I test them to see if they produce the exact same results as the originals in several decks. And they do, with the only exception being the 3Khz tape, that includes my own W&F, which is extremely low, but *may* add some to you reading. I can't, however, make a clone of the Nakamichi track alignment tape. As previously described, the tapes is probably 1KHz full track erased at the exact track height position. Or maybe it's a blank tape with only the small gap between the tracks recorded. Non of my gear can do that. But I can record a precise 1KHz tone 0dB, and test the tape by adjusting head heigh to produce maximum output, and see if it puts the deck's head in the same position. And it does. I have tried several ocasions to calibrate one of my decks with my own tapes, and re-check with originals. I never had to move them from where my test tapes rendered them. Doing the same with my set of TEAC tapes, don't put the deck in the same position. I am writting a small "Calibration FAQ" to be on line soon, but it's not quite ready yet. Hope this clarifies a little the proccess. Best rgds, LP. Per escribió: > Very interesting... Had an idea that the tapes were made > in a reel to reel setup but with a traditional head. Are > test tapes for the cassette format still produced? I know > that Luis Peromarta makes a set of Nakamichi test tapes > that should be pretty good taking into consideration that > he uses tapedecks to make the tapes. Best Regards, Per. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? > > > Hi, I dont know if u r aware that test tapes are not recorded by passing > over a "head of any track format. Infact the pancake loaded with tape is > fed thru a circular oscillator coil fed with signal to record it and is > wound on another blank pancake on the other end. Then that tape is later > cut and leaders are added and fed into cassette shells or spooled on to > reels. > > rgds > > Khan > > "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > Check Scott Johnson's page which has a list of tapes: > > > How does what you are looking at compare to that list (which I > thought was all I've seen)? > > I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment tape > except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way > to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and was > previously discussed, it has > a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where the > tracks ARE. The only way > someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette tape > with a full-track head, then erase > only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently and > got no response, but I'm not sure even > if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly > aligned Nak you could do it since > I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not quarter- > track. But I don't know that.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Dr. N. 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In-Reply-To: <004b01c6f77a$4770e690$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <20061024114448.64290.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001801c6f76b$ef689e10$b207010a@hurtignok> <453E18FD.10207@peromarta.org> <004b01c6f77a$4770e690$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <6bddc1110610240811m52f5f07ev9fe47c72d89eada7@mail.gmail.com> Likewise here -- I'm just doing as much research as possible so I can justify the expense to my wife :-) I have seen some service manuals describe a process for recording on a reference tape with appropriate bias settings and then immersing the tape in a magnetized developing solution to make the tracks visible for inspection and physical measurement - would this be of use as a track alignment procedure in absence of a genuine track alignment tape? -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 24 17:39:42 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110610240811m52f5f07ev9fe47c72d89eada7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061024153942.6756.qmail@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a set of Luis' tapes but haven't used them all yet. I have used the level tapes for level adjustment. In the past I had adjusted head alignment by ear. I know this isn't the proper way but I've had great results. One thing I used to do was record from the FM broadcast band with the tuner set to an empty spot on the dial, and record the "fuzz" at -20db and adjust bias etc so the tape would sound the same as the fuzz. The is the "homeowner" method but the tapes made on these decks sounded great played on other decks also. I would also use this method using the brand/type tapes that I mostly use. You must have the levels set correctly first. Not professional but it worked. Bob Tim Skorick wrote: Likewise here -- I'm just doing as much research as possible so I can justify the expense to my wife :-) I have seen some service manuals describe a process for recording on a reference tape with appropriate bias settings and then immersing the tape in a magnetized developing solution to make the tracks visible for inspection and physical measurement - would this be of use as a track alignment procedure in absence of a genuine track alignment tape? -Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Oct 24 19:00:52 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:00:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <20061024145652.42037.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061024145652.42037.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <453E46C4.2030405@peromarta.org> Just to clarify, My tapes are not copies. They are originals. I make them recording tones I generate on the tapes. A clone would be a more accurate word. Best rgds, LP. Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and called > a test tape. From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Oct 24 19:29:29 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:29:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <453E46C4.2030405@peromarta.org> References: <20061024145652.42037.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453E46C4.2030405@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <6bddc1110610241029k788eab9fudd250cb89639d6a7@mail.gmail.com> Aye - I think that a deck calibrated with Nak factory tapes and then used to record signals from a T-100 onto a good quality tape is about the best one could hope for at this price point. I don't know how much TEAC or Almedio charge for their adjustment tapes, but if it's anything like Nak charged it's a hell of a lot more than Luis is asking. -Tim On 10/24/06, Luis Peromarta wrote: > > Just to clarify, > > My tapes are not copies. They are originals. I make them recording tones > I generate on the tapes. A clone would be a more accurate word. > > Best rgds, LP. > > Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > > I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and called > > a test tape. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Oct 24 19:42:23 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:42:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110610241029k788eab9fudd250cb89639d6a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061024145652.42037.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453E46C4.2030405@peromarta.org> <6bddc1110610241029k788eab9fudd250cb89639d6a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <453E507F.3080609@peromarta.org> I don't know the Almedio cal. tapes. The TEAC tapes are no good for Nak decks. Their recorded level is different (IEC 1981 prague), and the azimuth position slightly different, so 315HZ (NOT 400) and the 14KHz (NOT 15KHz) azimuth are useless. The TEAC 3Khz speed and W&F is quite good tough. Best rgds, LP. Tim Skorick escribió: > Aye - I think that a deck calibrated with Nak factory tapes and then > used to record signals from a T-100 onto a good quality tape is about > the best one could hope for at this price point. I don't know how much > TEAC or Almedio charge for their adjustment tapes, but if it's anything > like Nak charged it's a hell of a lot more than Luis is asking. > > -Tim > > On 10/24/06, *Luis Peromarta* > wrote: > > Just to clarify, > > My tapes are not copies. They are originals. I make them recording tones > I generate on the tapes. A clone would be a more accurate word. > > Best rgds, LP. > > Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > > I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and > called > > a test tape. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Oct 24 20:01:35 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:01:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <453E507F.3080609@peromarta.org> References: <20061024145652.42037.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453E46C4.2030405@peromarta.org> <6bddc1110610241029k788eab9fudd250cb89639d6a7@mail.gmail.com> <453E507F.3080609@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <6bddc1110610241101p201b379bwdf4056a5672d36d6@mail.gmail.com> Won't tapes made according to IEC 1981 calibrate correctly on sendust head decks? -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Oct 24 20:52:31 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:52:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <20061024145652.42037.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061024145652.42037.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Khan, Today, that spray is called Geneva Model #PF608 "Magview Tape Developer." The stuff costs $52.00 US for a 2-ounce can. The method you're describing to make test tapes is fundamentally correct, as you know the calibration and monitoring of all the levels and fluxivities is exacting. I believe Luis is doing basically this very procedure using a Nakamichi recorder that is known to be calibrated correctly, recording tones from an oscillator on it, then monitoring the levels with a T-100 to correct for any deviation. My guess is that his work is within 1 dB worst case. On Oct 24, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and > called a test tape. Only the ossicilator method is utilized to make > test tapes. If u really want to "see" what your tape heads are > putting as "tracks", a solution called MAGNASEE can be sprayed on > the physical tape, and viola! the tracks become visible. I used to > do this while aligning mecanics on larger 2" tape machines etc. > Magnasee, Visiomag and Magnaview are difficult to find any longer, > as they contained CTC and Freon, they are all collidal iron oxide > solutions. While working at the Nakamichi Research labs, we had our > own oscillator system to produce test tapes, but also had tapes > from STL, MRL, and Mitsubishi as master references. We even > "loaded" test tape into various commercial cassette shells to test > the integrity of the cassette shells! Most of the everyday test > cassettes were made with the shells from GPX in Australia. > rgds > Khan > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > Dear all, > > I have a set of Nakamichi Originals, and a set of Teac originals > too. I > can make pretty good clones of 400Hz, 15KHz and 3KHz tapes. > > How can I measure the quality of these tapes? I test them to see if > they > produce the exact same results as the originals in several decks. And > they do, with the only exception being the 3Khz tape, that includes my > own W&F, which is extremely low, but *may* add some to you reading. > > I can't, however, make a clone of the Nakamichi track alignment > tape. As > previously described, the tapes is probably 1KHz full track erased at > the exact track height position. Or maybe it's a blank tape with only > the small gap between the tracks recorded. Non of my gear can do that. > > But I can record a precise 1KHz tone 0dB, and test the tape by > adjusting > head heigh to produce maximum output, and see if it puts the deck's > head > in the same position. And it does. > > I have tried several ocasions to calibrate one of my decks with my own > tapes, and re-check with originals. I never had to move them from > where > my test tapes rendered them. > > Doing the same with my set of TEAC tapes, don't put the deck in the > same > position. > > I am writting a small "Calibration FAQ" to be on line soon, but > it's not > quite ready yet. > > Hope this clarifies a little the proccess. > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > Per escribió: > > Very interesting... Had an idea that the tapes were made > > in a reel to reel setup but with a traditional head. Are > > test tapes for the cassette format still produced? I know > > that Luis Peromarta makes a set of Nakamichi test tapes > > that should be pretty good taking into consideration that > > he uses tapedecks to make the tapes. Best Regards, Per. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? > > > > > > Hi, I dont know if u r aware that test tapes are not recorded by > passing > > over a "head of any track format. Infact the pancake loaded with > tape is > > fed thru a circular oscillator coil fed with signal to record it > and is > > wound on another blank pancake on the other end. Then that tape > is later > > cut and leaders are added and fed into cassette shells or spooled > on to > > reels. > > > > rgds > > > > Khan > > > > "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > Check Scott Johnson's page which has a list of tapes: > > > > > > How does what you are looking at compare to that list (which I > > thought was all I've seen)? > > > > I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment tape > > except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way > > to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and > was > > previously discussed, it has > > a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where the > > tracks ARE. The only way > > someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette tape > > with a full-track head, then erase > > only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently and > > got no response, but I'm not sure even > > if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly > > aligned Nak you could do it since > > I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not quarter- > > track. But I don't know that.-kby > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > > > > > Dr. N. Khan > > Design Engineer > > Mequon Manufacture LLC. > > CAGE Code 3A3Z8 > > 738 Grand Avenue > > Mequon, WI 53092 > > 414-406-2066 > > 262-238-1047 fax > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Oct 24 20:59:24 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:59:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <309403D9-444A-43C8-A185-ED0768B0FDC0@woods-and-waters.com> Hey Kimo, Thanks for the reminder! Once Luis brought out his calibration tapes I put my calibration tape projects on a lower priority. However, I did successfully modify one of my recorders (a 600 of course) to make an azimuth test tape equivalent to the Nakamichi tape that is being discussed previously. I can now make azimuth tapes that have the tone recorded only between the two tracks! The recorder needs to be calibrated, though. I'm out of the Magview Tape Developer but have some on order. Once it arrives I will get back to work and finish calibrating my recorder so I can begin making azimuth alignment tapes as soon as possible. On Oct 23, 2006, at 5:20 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Check Scott Johnson's page which has a list of tapes: > > > How does what you are looking at compare to that list (which I > thought was all I've seen)? > > I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment > tape except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way > to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and > was previously discussed, it has > a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where > the tracks ARE. The only way > someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette tape > with a full-track head, then erase > only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently and > got no response, but I'm not sure even > if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly > aligned Nak you could do it since > I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not quarter- > track. But I don't know that.-kby > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 24 21:28:09 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <453E46C4.2030405@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20061024192809.91593.qmail@web82404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I still dont understand you! do u playback original nak test tapes on a machine and record them on another? or do you have a tone generator and tape it on a machine which you believe is dead accurate? Either method would be inaccurate, because it would only be accutare for the recording machine,and if that machine is not aligned..... you'd be back to square one, thats why test tapes are not run over a head to be recorded, infact they pass through an oscillation coil, and do not touch anything when the signal is being recorded on them, thus when you play them back, there are no specific "tracks" of the frequencies that you monitor, the entire tape carries the signal, irrespective of the head gap or the track placement. If you could spray magnasee on a portion of a test tape, you ll see that there are no tracks visible, the entire width of the tape carries the signal. When a scope is hooked up, the head picks up the same signal, and a lisajous pattern is displayed, and as the azimuth is corrected, it peaks at 45 degrees, you get many false alignments, but the correct one is where the magnitude is the largest for the signal being monitored, because the original signal is in exactly one phase, and the heads pick it up as two discreet signals, whose relative phase can be compared. I hope I have not confused the issue further! rgds Khan Luis Peromarta wrote: Just to clarify, My tapes are not copies. They are originals. I make them recording tones I generate on the tapes. A clone would be a more accurate word. Best rgds, LP. Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and called > a test tape. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Oct 24 21:49:18 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:49:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? Message-ID: <6FD3AF3B-C4A2-47A2-8260-A1D545327D02@alumni.caltech.edu> > I still dont understand you! do u playback original nak test tapes > on a machine and record them on another? or do you have a tone > generator and tape it on a machine which you believe is dead > accurate? Either method would be inaccurate, because it would only > be accutare for the recording machine,and if that machine is not > aligned..... you'd be back to square one, thats why test tapes are > not run over a head to be recorded, infact they pass through an > oscillation coil, and do not touch anything when the signal is > being recorded on them, thus when you play them back, there are no > specific "tracks" of the frequencies that you monitor, the entire > tape carries the signal, irrespective of the head gap or the track > placement. If you could spray magnasee on a portion of a test tape, > you ll see that there are no tracks visible, the entire width of > the tape carries the signal. When a scope is hooked up, the head > picks up the same signal, and a lisajous pattern is displayed, and > as the > azimuth is corrected, it peaks at 45 degrees, you get many false > alignments, but the correct one is where the magnitude is the > largest for the signal being monitored, because the original signal > is in exactly one phase, and the heads pick it up as two discreet > signals, whose relative phase can be compared. > I hope I have not confused the issue further! At least for me, no, you haven't confused it further, and it is quite interesting to know how the tapes are actually made. It sounds like you're talking about the azimuth alignment tape however, for the most part (although the procedure you specify for using it appears to be more accurate but also more complicated than what Nak actually described in the service manuals). However, can you describe how the track alignment tape was done? This is the weird one that appears to have signal everywhere EXCEPT where the heads are supposed to be (according to the Nak service manuals, you adjust for MINIMUM signal on both channels)? I think you have kind of split the questions into two related camps, however: the first is how the original tapes were made, which if life were ideal, we'd be able to duplicate exactly; the second, however is how to get at least a reasonable facsimile of these tapes today, especially for the hobbyist types that can't be constantly spending the amount (adjusted for inflation) that Nak or anyone else would charge, if the equipment even still existed to do this (which doesn't seem to be the case in practice, at least). It is quite useful to know how the original tapes were made, and I at least am willing to concede we just can't make absolutely genuine Nak tapes, however, a lot of us are looking for as good an approximation as possible within that understanding that we just can't get the absolutely genuine article--one of the things that knowing how the originals were done is to help us estimate/understand how quantify the degree to which we are from the originals.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 24 22:01:54 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061024200154.17047.qmail@web82414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Kermit! Thank you for the update! I havent used it for a while, I rarely recondition Naks any more, but still have a ton of original test gear and some custom jigs from Nakamichi from days when I worked at the factory and labs in Japan. On very rare occasions (or real hard arm twisting from friends!) I use the original tapes and guages to realign / repair a machine. The oscillator setup at the lab was manufactured by another company, Kisigawa electronics, in Kyoto, which I believe no longer exists. Thank you once again for the update. rgds Khan Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Khan, Today, that spray is called Geneva Model #PF608 "Magview Tape Developer." The stuff costs $52.00 US for a 2-ounce can. The method you're describing to make test tapes is fundamentally correct, as you know the calibration and monitoring of all the levels and fluxivities is exacting. I believe Luis is doing basically this very procedure using a Nakamichi recorder that is known to be calibrated correctly, recording tones from an oscillator on it, then monitoring the levels with a T-100 to correct for any deviation. My guess is that his work is within 1 dB worst case. On Oct 24, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and > called a test tape. Only the ossicilator method is utilized to make > test tapes. If u really want to "see" what your tape heads are > putting as "tracks", a solution called MAGNASEE can be sprayed on > the physical tape, and viola! the tracks become visible. I used to > do this while aligning mecanics on larger 2" tape machines etc. > Magnasee, Visiomag and Magnaview are difficult to find any longer, > as they contained CTC and Freon, they are all collidal iron oxide > solutions. While working at the Nakamichi Research labs, we had our > own oscillator system to produce test tapes, but also had tapes > from STL, MRL, and Mitsubishi as master references. We even > "loaded" test tape into various commercial cassette shells to test > the integrity of the cassette shells! Most of the everyday test > cassettes were made with the shells from GPX in Australia. > rgds > Khan > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > Dear all, > > I have a set of Nakamichi Originals, and a set of Teac originals > too. I > can make pretty good clones of 400Hz, 15KHz and 3KHz tapes. > > How can I measure the quality of these tapes? I test them to see if > they > produce the exact same results as the originals in several decks. And > they do, with the only exception being the 3Khz tape, that includes my > own W&F, which is extremely low, but *may* add some to you reading. > > I can't, however, make a clone of the Nakamichi track alignment > tape. As > previously described, the tapes is probably 1KHz full track erased at > the exact track height position. Or maybe it's a blank tape with only > the small gap between the tracks recorded. Non of my gear can do that. > > But I can record a precise 1KHz tone 0dB, and test the tape by > adjusting > head heigh to produce maximum output, and see if it puts the deck's > head > in the same position. And it does. > > I have tried several ocasions to calibrate one of my decks with my own > tapes, and re-check with originals. I never had to move them from > where > my test tapes rendered them. > > Doing the same with my set of TEAC tapes, don't put the deck in the > same > position. > > I am writting a small "Calibration FAQ" to be on line soon, but > it's not > quite ready yet. > > Hope this clarifies a little the proccess. > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > Per escribió: > > Very interesting... Had an idea that the tapes were made > > in a reel to reel setup but with a traditional head. Are > > test tapes for the cassette format still produced? I know > > that Luis Peromarta makes a set of Nakamichi test tapes > > that should be pretty good taking into consideration that > > he uses tapedecks to make the tapes. Best Regards, Per. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? > > > > > > Hi, I dont know if u r aware that test tapes are not recorded by > passing > > over a "head of any track format. Infact the pancake loaded with > tape is > > fed thru a circular oscillator coil fed with signal to record it > and is > > wound on another blank pancake on the other end. Then that tape > is later > > cut and leaders are added and fed into cassette shells or spooled > on to > > reels. > > > > rgds > > > > Khan > > > > "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > Check Scott Johnson's page which has a list of tapes: > > > > > > How does what you are looking at compare to that list (which I > > thought was all I've seen)? > > > > I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment tape > > except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way > > to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and > was > > previously discussed, it has > > a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where the > > tracks ARE. The only way > > someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette tape > > with a full-track head, then erase > > only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently and > > got no response, but I'm not sure even > > if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly > > aligned Nak you could do it since > > I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not quarter- > > track. But I don't know that.-kby > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > > > > > Dr. N. 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Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Oct 24 23:56:26 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:56:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <20061024192809.91593.qmail@web82404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061024192809.91593.qmail@web82404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <453E8C0A.3050806@peromarta.org> Hi Khan, Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > I still dont understand you! do u playback original nak test tapes on a > machine and record them on another? No. > or do you have a tone generator and > tape it on a machine which you believe is dead accurate? Correct. My recording machines are quite accurate. > Either method > would be inaccurate, because it would only be accutare for the recording > machine,and if that machine is not aligned..... you'd be back to square > one, Well, no. I monitor the entire recording proccess. I use the T-100 to monitor levels, and a 2ch scope to monitor phase discrepancies. This of course, comes after the deck has been checked with the original tapes. Then I make the tapes so they produce the same signals and levels on the playback head as the originals. Not quiet as you describe for real test cassettes, but they do the job *just* as well as the "real stuff". > thats why test tapes are not run over a head to be recorded, infact > they pass through an oscillation coil, and do not touch anything when > the signal is being recorded on them, thus when you play them back, > there are no specific "tracks" of the frequencies that you monitor, the > entire tape carries the signal, irrespective of the head gap or the > track placement. I think you are describing a full track tape. I can't make full track tapes, I think nobody can make these with non-modified "off-the-shelf" cassette recorders. I believe the 15KHz azimuth nakamichi original is a full track tape. (certainly NOT the 400Hz and the 3Khz) > If you could spray magnasee on a portion of a test > tape, you ll see that there are no tracks visible, the entire width of > the tape carries the signal. When a scope is hooked up, the head picks > up the same signal, and a lisajous pattern is displayed, and as the > azimuth is corrected, it peaks at 45 degrees, you get many false > alignments, but the correct one is where the magnitude is the largest > for the signal being monitored, because the original signal is in > exactly one phase, and the heads pick it up as two discreet signals, > whose relative phase can be compared. For those out there with no access to scopes, this really helps a lot: http://www.darkwood.demon.co.uk/PC/meter.html Specifically the quad version, http://www.darkwood.demon.co.uk/PC/PPM%20Quad%20110.zip L & R channels, plus sum and difference makes alignment a kid's game. > I hope I have not confused the issue further! > > rgds > Khan Bet rgds, LP. > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > Just to clarify, > > My tapes are not copies. They are originals. I make them recording > tones > I generate on the tapes. A clone would be a more accurate word. > > Best rgds, LP. > > Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > > I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and > called > > a test tape. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Dr. N. Khan > Design Engineer > Mequon Manufacture LLC. > CAGE Code 3A3Z8 > 738 Grand Avenue > Mequon, WI 53092 > 414-406-2066 > 262-238-1047 fax > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 25 01:24:36 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <453E8C0A.3050806@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20061024232436.99611.qmail@web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mr Peromarta, Hello! Please do not be offended by my posting, I was merely mentioning how actual test tapes for alignment are manufactured. If you believe your home made tapes can be of use to you and others, by all means use them. I am just a simple electronics engineer with specialization in Audio Engineering. We had access to a number of cassette decks at Nakamichi Research, which were aligned to reference standards, but we still never tried making test tapes on them. It is really good that they work for you and your friends, and if they solve your problems, that would be an ideal situation for you. With warmest regards, Khan Luis Peromarta wrote: Hi Khan, Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > I still dont understand you! do u playback original nak test tapes on a > machine and record them on another? No. > or do you have a tone generator and > tape it on a machine which you believe is dead accurate? Correct. My recording machines are quite accurate. > Either method > would be inaccurate, because it would only be accutare for the recording > machine,and if that machine is not aligned..... you'd be back to square > one, Well, no. I monitor the entire recording proccess. I use the T-100 to monitor levels, and a 2ch scope to monitor phase discrepancies. This of course, comes after the deck has been checked with the original tapes. Then I make the tapes so they produce the same signals and levels on the playback head as the originals. Not quiet as you describe for real test cassettes, but they do the job *just* as well as the "real stuff". > thats why test tapes are not run over a head to be recorded, infact > they pass through an oscillation coil, and do not touch anything when > the signal is being recorded on them, thus when you play them back, > there are no specific "tracks" of the frequencies that you monitor, the > entire tape carries the signal, irrespective of the head gap or the > track placement. I think you are describing a full track tape. I can't make full track tapes, I think nobody can make these with non-modified "off-the-shelf" cassette recorders. I believe the 15KHz azimuth nakamichi original is a full track tape. (certainly NOT the 400Hz and the 3Khz) > If you could spray magnasee on a portion of a test > tape, you ll see that there are no tracks visible, the entire width of > the tape carries the signal. When a scope is hooked up, the head picks > up the same signal, and a lisajous pattern is displayed, and as the > azimuth is corrected, it peaks at 45 degrees, you get many false > alignments, but the correct one is where the magnitude is the largest > for the signal being monitored, because the original signal is in > exactly one phase, and the heads pick it up as two discreet signals, > whose relative phase can be compared. For those out there with no access to scopes, this really helps a lot: http://www.darkwood.demon.co.uk/PC/meter.html Specifically the quad version, http://www.darkwood.demon.co.uk/PC/PPM%20Quad%20110.zip L & R channels, plus sum and difference makes alignment a kid's game. > I hope I have not confused the issue further! > > rgds > Khan Bet rgds, LP. > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > Just to clarify, > > My tapes are not copies. They are originals. I make them recording > tones > I generate on the tapes. A clone would be a more accurate word. > > Best rgds, LP. > > Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > > I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and > called > > a test tape. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Dr. N. 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Thoughts? -Tim I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment tape > except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way > to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and was > previously discussed, it has > a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where the > tracks ARE. The only way > someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette tape > with a full-track head, then erase > only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently and > got no response, but I'm not sure even > if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly > aligned Nak you could do it since > I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not quarter- > track. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 25 02:53:23 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:53:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110610241659td096300wbbf27027b8005095@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110610241659td096300wbbf27027b8005095@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Tim, Great minds think alike. This was exactly how I first tried to make the tape using a tape adapter and a Scully SP-70 modified to run at 1-7/8 ips. Later attempts used Ampex ATR-100 and Tascan 38 machines modded to run a 1-7/8 ips. It worked but not well enough -- getting all the track sizes matched wasn't right. The reel-to-reel tape decks track width are all wrong. In the end, I had to have special heads made to fit one of my Nakamichi 600 decks. On Oct 24, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Tim Skorick wrote: > The more I think about this the more I think this must be > possible. I don't know what the flux differences are between a > record head on an open reel deck versus what compact cassette tape > would be expecting, but I wonder if a reel adapter could be rigged > for a compact cassette spool to be run across the heads of a r2r, a > 1 kHz signal recorded across the tape's entire width using the r2r > heads, and then the same tape passed through a known-good cassette > deck and the erase heads used to erase the signal from where we > don't want it. > > Is this a practical way to end up with what we'd be looking for? > Thoughts? > > -Tim > > I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment tape > except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way > to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and was > previously discussed, it has > a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where the > tracks ARE. The only way > someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette tape > with a full-track head, then erase > only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently and > got no response, but I'm not sure even > if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly > aligned Nak you could do it since > I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not quarter- > track. > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110610240811m52f5f07ev9fe47c72d89eada7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061024114448.64290.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001801c6f76b$ef689e10$b207010a@hurtignok> <453E18FD.10207@peromarta.org> <004b01c6f77a$4770e690$b207010a@hurtignok> <6bddc1110610240811m52f5f07ev9fe47c72d89eada7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84EEB7DC-FB16-4FF9-88B0-231BF494C5DF@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tim, On Oct 24, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Tim Skorick wrote: > Likewise here -- I'm just doing as much research as possible so I > can justify the expense to my wife :-) I have seen some service > manuals describe a process for recording on a reference tape with > appropriate bias settings and then immersing the tape in a > magnetized developing solution to make the tracks visible for > inspection and physical measurement - would this be of use as a > track alignment procedure in absence of a genuine track alignment > tape? Yes but only if you have EXACT physical measurements of the tracks and their placement along the hight of the tape. And the means to verify the measurements. And really good eyesight. And a magnifying glass. Calibrated with a precise reticle. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Oct 25 08:20:23 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:20:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <20061024232436.99611.qmail@web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061024232436.99611.qmail@web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <453F0227.3010609@peromarta.org> Hi Khan. Absolutely no offence! It's great to have people on board who knows the insights. Best rgds, LP. Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > Mr Peromarta, Hello! Please do not be offended by my posting, I was > merely mentioning how actual test tapes for alignment are manufactured. > If you believe your home made tapes can be of use to you and others, by > all means use them. I am just a simple electronics engineer with > specialization in Audio Engineering. We had access to a number of > cassette decks at Nakamichi Research, which were aligned to reference > standards, but we still never tried making test tapes on them. It is > really good that they work for you and your friends, and if they solve > your problems, that would be an ideal situation for you. > With warmest regards, > Khan > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > Hi Khan, > > Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > > I still dont understand you! do u playback original nak test > tapes on a > > machine and record them on another? > > No. > > > or do you have a tone generator and > > tape it on a machine which you believe is dead accurate? > > Correct. My recording machines are quite accurate. > > > Either method > > would be inaccurate, because it would only be accutare for the > recording > > machine,and if that machine is not aligned..... you'd be back to > square > > one, > > Well, no. I monitor the entire recording proccess. I use the T-100 to > monitor levels, and a 2ch scope to monitor phase discrepancies. This of > course, comes after the deck has been checked with the original tapes. > Then I make the tapes so they produce the same signals and levels on > the > playback head as the originals. > > Not quiet as you describe for real test cassettes, but they do the job > *just* as well as the "real stuff". > > > thats why test tapes are not run over a head to be recorded, infact > > they pass through an oscillation coil, and do not touch anything > when > > the signal is being recorded on them, thus when you play them back, > > there are no specific "tracks" of the frequencies that you > monitor, the > > entire tape carries the signal, irrespective of the head gap or the > > track placement. > > I think you are describing a full track tape. I can't make full track > tapes, I think nobody can make these with non-modified "off-the-shelf" > cassette recorders. > > I believe the 15KHz azimuth nakamichi original is a full track tape. > (certainly NOT the 400Hz and the 3Khz) > > > If you could spray magnasee on a portion of a test > > tape, you ll see that there are no tracks visible, the entire > width of > > the tape carries the signal. When a scope is hooked up, the head > picks > > up the same signal, and a lisajous pattern is displayed, and as the > > azimuth is corrected, it peaks at 45 degrees, you get many false > > alignments, but the correct one is where the magnitude is the > largest > > for the signal being monitored, because the original signal is in > > exactly one phase, and the heads pick it up as two discreet signals, > > whose relative phase can be compared. > > For those out there with no access to scopes, this really helps a lot: > > http://www.darkwood.demon.co.uk/PC/meter.html > > Specifically the quad version, > > http://www.darkwood.demon.co.uk/PC/PPM%20Quad%20110.zip > > L & R channels, plus sum and difference makes alignment a kid's game. > > > > I hope I have not confused the issue further! > > > > rgds > > Khan > > Bet rgds, LP. > > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > > > Just to clarify, > > > > My tapes are not copies. They are originals. I make them recording > > tones > > I generate on the tapes. A clone would be a more accurate word. > > > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > > > I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and > > called > > > a test tape. > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > Dr. N. Khan > > Design Engineer > > Mequon Manufacture LLC. > > CAGE Code 3A3Z8 > > 738 Grand Avenue > > Mequon, WI 53092 > > 414-406-2066 > > 262-238-1047 fax > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 08:51:32 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <309403D9-444A-43C8-A185-ED0768B0FDC0@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20061025065132.86939.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >I can now make azimuth tapes that have the tone recorded only >between the two tracks! Do you mean 1kHz track alignment? Because the Nak Azimuth tape is a standard 15kHz test tone. The Nakamichi 1kHz track alignment tape is the one that is unique. SJ --- Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Kimo, > > Thanks for the reminder! Once Luis brought out his calibration > tapes > I put my calibration tape projects on a lower priority. > > However, I did successfully modify one of my recorders (a 600 of > course) to make an azimuth test tape equivalent to the Nakamichi > tape > that is being discussed previously. I can now make azimuth tapes > that > have the tone recorded only between the two tracks! The recorder > needs to be calibrated, though. I'm out of the Magview Tape > Developer but have some on order. Once it arrives I will get back > to > work and finish calibrating my recorder so I can begin making > azimuth > alignment tapes as soon as possible. > > On Oct 23, 2006, at 5:20 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > Check Scott Johnson's page which has a list of tapes: > > > > > > How does what you are looking at compare to that list (which I > > thought was all I've seen)? > > > > I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment > > tape except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way > > to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and > > > was previously discussed, it has > > a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where > > > the tracks ARE. The only way > > someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette > tape > > with a full-track head, then erase > > only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently > and > > got no response, but I'm not sure even > > if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly > > > aligned Nak you could do it since > > I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not > quarter- > > track. 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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 25 08:51:23 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:51:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? Message-ID: <82FDD0B7-48ED-4A97-8092-1C66A4BF2B86@alumni.caltech.edu> > The more I think about this the more I think this must be > possible. I don't > know what the flux differences are between a record head on an open > reel > deck versus what compact cassette tape would be expecting, but I > wonder if a > reel adapter could be rigged for a compact cassette spool to be run > across > the heads of a r2r, a 1 kHz signal recorded across the tape's > entire width > using the r2r heads, and then the same tape passed through a known- > good > cassette deck and the erase heads used to erase the signal from > where we > don't want it. > > Is this a practical way to end up with what we'd be looking for? > Thoughts? > I assume you are asking about the weird track alignment tape. I thought of that, but then thought there might be an easier way in that I have an old Craig portable that is mono--hence should have effectively a half-track head. Not as good as full track, but I am afraid keeping even mediocre alignment of cassette tape going across an R2R path is going to be tricky ( I do haven an R2R but that's why I think that would be tough even though you're actually trying to make a full track tape anyway). However, this is what my question about the erase head being essentially quarter-track or half track was about. It looks like the erase head might be essentially half-track. An R2R erase head for a quarter track deck is quarter-track, but it has to be because the tracks aren't adjacent for R2R (they alternate for better channel separation, or at least that's what I thought the theory was). For various reasons tracks on cassette for a given side are adjacent, so the erase head really only has to be "half-track" and it might end up covering a lot of other sins by doing that, so my guess is that the Nak (and maybe all cassette deck) erase heads might actually be half-track, so they won't just erase the fine line down the middle, but the whole side of the tape.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Wed Oct 25 11:27:58 2006 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:27:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Message-ID: <8C8C62EFE37E160-C20-890F@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Has anyone experienced this? - Level of right channel much lower than the left channel. Azimuth adjustment is ok but level adjustment makes little difference to the right channel. The tape sounds fine in other decks so I'm thinking it could be a mechanical or probably an electrical problem, any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Wed Oct 25 11:31:50 2006 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:31:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: ZX-9 Level Problem In-Reply-To: <8C8C62EFE37E160-C20-890F@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8C62EFE37E160-C20-890F@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C8C62F88C11914-C20-891A@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: benstratford at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com; "" Sent: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10.27AM Subject: ZX-9 Level Problem Has anyone experienced this? - Level of right channel much lower than the left channel. Azimuth adjustment is ok but level adjustment makes little difference to the right channel. The tape sounds fine in other decks so I'm thinking it could be a mechanical or probably an electrical problem, any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Oct 25 12:36:27 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:36:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Message-ID: Hi! My tip...is to move forth & back ALL the knobs...at least 20 times...I'm sure that after a long while that you DON'T...,move such knobs...dirt or dust go inside the "Potentiometers"...this "procedure" will "Self-Clean" all the dirt inside..& will be OK again! Let us, to know if my tip help you? Peace; ALEX! To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.comDate: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:27:58 -0400From: benstratford at aol.comSubject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Has anyone experienced this? - Level of right channel much lower than the left channel. Azimuth adjustment is ok but level adjustment makes little difference to the right channel. The tape sounds fine in other decks so I'm thinking it could be a mechanical or probably an electrical problem, any ideas? _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Wed Oct 25 12:49:29 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:49:29 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Differences in calibration tapes? + Cal set up unit Message-ID: <002501c6f823$3fdb0560$0201a8c0@lan> Firstly, I must admit I do things similarly to Luis.. in place of no other readily available options. (Also I found Dr Khan's comments quite illuminating.) I made up my own 400Hz and 15khz level and alignment "calibration" ( I use the term loosely here) tapes using my T-100 and ZX-7 as the master, and use these to reference all my other Naks against. So, I know that if my ZX-7 was out, then all my decks are out, but that would only be if I had to adjust them. Out of my myriad of Naks, I have only needed to adjust the playback azimuth on two decks as received ( I Do know the perils of twiddling anything else!!), the rest have been good to my 'cal' tapes, and based on the safety in numbers theory, then my ZX-7 PB head alignment/orientation must be on or close enough to factory spec. It isn't pretty, but it is practical. One thing I would like to canvass opinions on is : how difficult would it be to make up a 400Hz and 15Khz oscillator ( correct term??) set up as per built into 582/ZX-7 etc with output and monitoring capability to use in setting up Naks, and other decks for that matter without inbuilt oscillators. I use my T-100 for tuning the bias on my BX300/CR3/5 , Sansui D550, sundry Aiwa's an example, but it would actually be handy to have such a simple dedicated 'outboard' unit rather than having to haul out the T-100 every time I changed tape formulation. The question after that would then is there a market for one? Cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Oct 25 12:57:00 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:57:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem In-Reply-To: <8C8C62EFE37E160-C20-890F@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8C62EFE37E160-C20-890F@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I've had my left channel completely out. Your problem might be entirely diferent. Heres what was reccoemneded to me to fix my problem and it did work. Gra-you lurkin bud?..."also worth checking is this .... The other week my ZX9 stopped replaying out of one channel. I suspected a cable. Nope! I tried recording - the lights all had bounced around nicely as if recording. Then it worked! It seems I have a slightly dodgy connection on the Play/Record switch. Try that". Gra' On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:27:58 -0500, wrote: > Has anyone experienced this? - Level of right channel much lower than > the left channel. Azimuth adjustment is ok but level adjustment makes > little difference to the right channel. The tape sounds fine in other > decks so I'm thinking it could be a mechanical or probably an electrical > problem, any ideas? -- From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Oct 25 13:48:47 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:48:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <82FDD0B7-48ED-4A97-8092-1C66A4BF2B86@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <82FDD0B7-48ED-4A97-8092-1C66A4BF2B86@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <453F4F1E.50602@cox.net> I believe you are right about erase heads being half track. All cassette erase heads I've had experience with were single channel half track. For the track alignment tape, where the full width of the tape is imprinted with a signal and then only the track area is erased, could a record head be used as an erase head? I don't know the electrical characteristics of the heads so don't know how feasible that would be - if the record head could operate at the power level required to fully erase a track. If one were to pull the erase head physically away from the tape and let just the bias signal on the record head pass over a recorded area, how much of the signal would be erased? Tim B Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> The more I think about this the more I think this must be possible. >> I don't >> know what the flux differences are between a record head on an open reel >> deck versus what compact cassette tape would be expecting, but I >> wonder if a >> reel adapter could be rigged for a compact cassette spool to be run >> across >> the heads of a r2r, a 1 kHz signal recorded across the tape's entire >> width >> using the r2r heads, and then the same tape passed through a known-good >> cassette deck and the erase heads used to erase the signal from where we >> don't want it. >> >> Is this a practical way to end up with what we'd be looking for? >> Thoughts? >> > > I assume you are asking about the weird track alignment tape. I > thought of that, but then thought there > might be an easier way in that I have an old Craig portable that is > mono--hence > should have effectively a half-track head. Not as good as full track, > but I am afraid keeping > even mediocre alignment of cassette tape going across an R2R path is > going to be tricky ( I do haven an > R2R but that's why I think that would be tough even though you're > actually trying to make a full track > tape anyway). > > However, this is what my question about the erase head being > essentially quarter-track or half track was about. > It looks like the erase head might be essentially half-track. An R2R > erase head for a quarter track deck is > quarter-track, but it has to be because the tracks aren't adjacent for > R2R (they alternate for better channel > separation, or at least that's what I thought the theory was). For > various reasons tracks on cassette for > a given side are adjacent, so the erase head really only has to be > "half-track" and it might end up covering > a lot of other sins by doing that, so my guess is that the Nak (and > maybe all cassette deck) erase heads might > actually be half-track, so they won't just erase the fine line down > the middle, but the whole side of the tape.-kby > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 25 16:03:51 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:03:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110610240811m52f5f07ev9fe47c72d89eada7@mail.gmail.co m> References: <004b01c6f77a$4770e690$b207010a@hurtignok> <20061024114448.64290.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001801c6f76b$ef689e10$b207010a@hurtignok> <453E18FD.10207@peromarta.org> <004b01c6f77a$4770e690$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061025090351.0083e540@earthlink.net> In my opinion, no, Magnasee won't be precise enough. Having a track alignment tape is, I suppose, a luxury. When performing the adjustment, a miniscule turn to the height adj. nulls the meters quite nicely. I do not think one could visually ascertain where the null occured. LUIS- how about this idea? Remove the pad lifter from a classic mech. Adjust the tape guides so the recorded tracks are 2mm towards the middle of the tape. Record 1k Hz. This should record in the area above the right channel. On a second deck set the guides 2mm towards the edge. Continue recording. Then move the tape to a properly aligned machine and erase only (record with rec mute on). Compare this home made track tape with the Nak standard. I have this fear that the erase track width is a bit wider than the record, however if this is correct, then we'll have track alignment tapes with the right channel track signal first, and the left channel second. tom brucker At 10:11 AM 10/24/06 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Likewise here -- I'm just doing as much research as possible so I can justify the expense to my wife :-) I have seen some service manuals describe a process for recording on a reference tape with appropriate bias settings and then immersing the tape in a magnetized developing solution to make the tracks visible for inspection and physical measurement - would this be of use as a track alignment procedure in absence of a genuine track alignment tape? -Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 25 15:51:43 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:51:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <20061024192809.91593.qmail@web82404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <453E46C4.2030405@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061025085143.0083f640@earthlink.net> The integrity of a full track azimuth tape can be checked simply by comparing "side one" to 'side two". This was a Nakamichi trick taught by the US technicians. Luis's azimuth tapes are limited by the tape skew (cassette shell and tape/ head contact issues). They will appear less stable in an X-Y oscilloscope display. His Dolby reference level and playback EQ tapes are as good as his calibrations. The speed tape has the flutter pattern of his mastering machine on it. If mastered on a Dragon, it would have minimum flutter when played on another Dragon. I assume he has tried the tape in all his machines, going back to the 600, and finds flutter measurements below specifications. tom brucker At 12:28 PM 10/24/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> I still dont understand you! do u playback original nak test tapes on a machine and record them on another? or do you have a tone generator and tape it on a machine which you believe is dead accurate? Either method would be inaccurate, because it would only be accutare for the recording machine,and if that machine is not aligned..... you'd be back to square one, thats why test tapes are not run over a head to be recorded, infact they pass through an oscillation coil, and do not touch anything when the signal is being recorded on them, thus when you play them back, there are no specific "tracks" of the frequencies that you monitor, the entire tape carries the signal, irrespective of the head gap or the track placement. If you could spray magnasee on a portion of a test tape, you ll see that there are no tracks visible, the entire width of the tape carries the signal. When a scope is hooked up, the head picks up the same signal, and a lisajous pattern is displayed, and as the azimuth is corrected, it peaks at 45 degrees, you get many false alignments, but the correct one is where the magnitude is the largest for the signal being monitored, because the original signal is in exactly one phase, and the heads pick it up as two discreet signals, whose relative phase can be compared. I hope I have not confused the issue further! rgds Khan Luis Peromarta wrote: Just to clarify, My tapes are not copies. They are originals. I make them recording tones I generate on the tapes. A clone would be a more accurate word. Best rgds, LP. Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and called > a test tape. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 25 16:26:46 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061025085143.0083f640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20061025142646.51072.qmail@web82414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, You are absolutely correct, may I suggest a paper for further enlightment, altough its more geared to the studio multi track machines, but the concepts are explained well. http://home.flash.net/~mrltapes/choo&u.pdf Hope this helps in some way, we used to tell techs to always beware of ther person who came in with a machine for alignment and had aligned it with a copy of the test tape so he could save his original tape from wear!!! rgds Khan Hi Tech wrote: The integrity of a full track azimuth tape can be checked simply by comparing "side one" to 'side two". This was a Nakamichi trick taught by the US technicians. Luis's azimuth tapes are limited by the tape skew (cassette shell and tape/ head contact issues). They will appear less stable in an X-Y oscilloscope display. His Dolby reference level and playback EQ tapes are as good as his calibrations. The speed tape has the flutter pattern of his mastering machine on it. If mastered on a Dragon, it would have minimum flutter when played on another Dragon. I assume he has tried the tape in all his machines, going back to the 600, and finds flutter measurements below specifications. tom brucker At 12:28 PM 10/24/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> I still dont understand you! do u playback original nak test tapes on a machine and record them on another? or do you have a tone generator and tape it on a machine which you believe is dead accurate? Either method would be inaccurate, because it would only be accutare for the recording machine,and if that machine is not aligned..... you'd be back to square one, thats why test tapes are not run over a head to be recorded, infact they pass through an oscillation coil, and do not touch anything when the signal is being recorded on them, thus when you play them back, there are no specific "tracks" of the frequencies that you monitor, the entire tape carries the signal, irrespective of the head gap or the track placement. If you could spray magnasee on a portion of a test tape, you ll see that there are no tracks visible, the entire width of the tape carries the signal. When a scope is hooked up, the head picks up the same signal, and a lisajous pattern is displayed, and as the azimuth is corrected, it peaks at 45 degrees, you get many false alignments, but the correct one is where the magnitude is the largest for the signal being monitored, because the original signal is in exactly one phase, and the heads pick it up as two discreet signals, whose relative phase can be compared. I hope I have not confused the issue further! rgds Khan Luis Peromarta wrote: Just to clarify, My tapes are not copies. They are originals. I make them recording tones I generate on the tapes. A clone would be a more accurate word. Best rgds, LP. Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and called > a test tape. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 25 16:30:36 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:30:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem In-Reply-To: <8C8C62EFE37E160-C20-890F@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061025093036.00829370@earthlink.net> Your play is ok. You might check record calibration with ex and sx tape. It is easy to improperly set the bias controls at extreme underbias, but each tape type has independent controls. tom brucker At 05:27 AM 10/25/06 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Has anyone experienced this? - Level of right channel much lower than the left channel. Azimuth adjustment is ok but level adjustment makes little difference to the right channel. The tape sounds fine in other decks so I'm thinking it could be a mechanical or probably an electrical problem, any ideas? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 16:35:07 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? Message-ID: <20061025143507.37543.qmail@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can we just take the tape spools out and put it on a special made jig? Kermit, remember your creation? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:51:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? The integrity of a full track azimuth tape can be checked simply by comparing "side one" to 'side two". This was a Nakamichi trick taught by the US technicians. Luis's azimuth tapes are limited by the tape skew (cassette shell and tape/ head contact issues). They will appear less stable in an X-Y oscilloscope display. His Dolby reference level and playback EQ tapes are as good as his calibrations. The speed tape has the flutter pattern of his mastering machine on it. If mastered on a Dragon, it would have minimum flutter when played on another Dragon. I assume he has tried the tape in all his machines, going back to the 600, and finds flutter measurements below specifications. tom brucker At 12:28 PM 10/24/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> I still dont understand you! do u playback original nak test tapes on a machine and record them on another? or do you have a tone generator and tape it on a machine which you believe is dead accurate? Either method would be inaccurate, because it would only be accutare for the recording machine,and if that machine is not aligned..... you'd be back to square one, thats why test tapes are not run over a head to be recorded, infact they pass through an oscillation coil, and do not touch anything when the signal is being recorded on them, thus when you play them back, there are no specific "tracks" of the frequencies that you monitor, the entire tape carries the signal, irrespective of the head gap or the track placement. If you could spray magnasee on a portion of a test tape, you ll see that there are no tracks visible, the entire width of the tape carries the signal. When a scope is hooked up, the head picks up the same signal, and a lisajous pattern is displayed, and as the azimuth is corrected, it peaks at 45 degrees, you get many false alignments, but the correct one is where the magnitude is the largest for the signal being monitored, because the original signal is in exactly one phase, and the heads pick it up as two discreet signals, whose relative phase can be compared. I hope I have not confused the issue further! rgds Khan Luis Peromarta wrote: Just to clarify, My tapes are not copies. They are originals. I make them recording tones I generate on the tapes. A clone would be a more accurate word. Best rgds, LP. Mequon Manufacture LLC escribió: > I really dont believe any test tape can be accurately copied and called > a test tape. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Oct 25 18:51:59 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:51:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? Message-ID: <60B0735C-63ED-47F8-A924-C4801EAC4D06@alumni.caltech.edu> > If one were to pull the erase head physically away from > the tape and let just the bias signal on the record head pass over a > recorded area, how much of the signal would be erased? > I don't know if the bias signal in the record head is good enough (probably you'd be more likely with type I than type4), but rather than pull the tape away, for a Nak at least just disconnect the erase head. It's a plug on the board.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 25 19:10:25 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <60B0735C-63ED-47F8-A924-C4801EAC4D06@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20061025171025.31861.qmail@web82415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Something interesting for all enthusists! We had somthing similar at Nak Labs, but with a complete jig to hold it in place exactly. http://www.manquen.net/audio/docs/Magnetic%20Recorder%20Testing%20with%20a%20Flux%20Loop%20w%20pictures.htm rgds Khan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: If one were to pull the erase head physically away from the tape and let just the bias signal on the record head pass over a recorded area, how much of the signal would be erased? I don't know if the bias signal in the record head is good enough (probably you'd be more likely with type I than type4), but rather than pull the tape away, for a Nak at least just disconnect the erase head. It's a plug on the board.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Wed Oct 25 19:42:53 2006 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:42:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Message-ID: Just once in a while, something amazing happens and costs nothing - Not very often I admit! After twiddling all the Knobs a few times, (Thanks Alex for your advice) and trying Chrome tape, everything worked! Taped a few things on chrome then tried a metal tape and found excessive bias setting which was preventing the level calibration, (Thanks Tom and gigkerrtx for your tips). All I need to do now is sort out the chattering (Skidding Noise) when pressing stop after playing a tape. Many thanks to you guys for assisting a new nak owner / fan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Oct 25 19:53:25 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:53:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <20061025171025.31861.qmail@web82415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061025171025.31861.qmail@web82415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <453FA495.2060409@cox.net> Thanks! I've pdf'd this and saved it to my slowly expanding library of cool documents. Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > Something interesting for all enthusists! We had somthing similar at > Nak Labs, but with a complete jig to hold it in place exactly. > http://www.manquen.net/audio/docs/Magnetic%20Recorder%20Testing%20with%20a%20Flux%20Loop%20w%20pictures.htm > rgds > > Khan > > > */"Kimo B. Yap" /* wrote: > >> If one were to pull the erase head physically away from >> the tape and let just the bias signal on the record head pass over a >> recorded area, how much of the signal would be erased? >> > I don't know if the bias signal in the record head is good enough > (probably you'd be more likely with > type I than type4), but rather than pull the tape away, for a Nak > at least just disconnect the erase head. It's > a plug on the board.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 25 20:48:50 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <453FA495.2060409@cox.net> Message-ID: <20061025184851.31080.qmail@web82412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you liked this one, then visit the MRL website and go to the technical papers section, you'll find many more interesting ones! rgds Khan Tim Barrett wrote: Thanks! I've pdf'd this and saved it to my slowly expanding library of cool documents. Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > Something interesting for all enthusists! We had somthing similar at > Nak Labs, but with a complete jig to hold it in place exactly. > http://www.manquen.net/audio/docs/Magnetic%20Recorder%20Testing%20with%20a%20Flux%20Loop%20w%20pictures.htm > rgds > > Khan > > > */"Kimo B. Yap" /* wrote: > >> If one were to pull the erase head physically away from >> the tape and let just the bias signal on the record head pass over a >> recorded area, how much of the signal would be erased? >> > I don't know if the bias signal in the record head is good enough > (probably you'd be more likely with > type I than type4), but rather than pull the tape away, for a Nak > at least just disconnect the erase head. 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URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 25 23:29:49 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:29:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <453F4F1E.50602@cox.net> References: <82FDD0B7-48ED-4A97-8092-1C66A4BF2B86@alumni.caltech.edu> <453F4F1E.50602@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Tim, On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:48 AM, Tim Barrett wrote: > I believe you are right about erase heads being half track. All > cassette erase heads I've had experience with were single channel > half track. For the track alignment tape, where the full width of > the tape is imprinted with a signal and then only the track area is > erased, could a record head be used as an erase head? I don't know > the electrical characteristics of the heads so don't know how > feasible that would be - if the record head could operate at the > power level required to fully erase a track. If one were to pull > the erase head physically away from the tape and let just the bias > signal on the record head pass over a recorded area, how much of > the signal would be erased Could a record head be used as an erase head? Not successfully. Think about it: the erase head has a wider gap than the record head to maximize flux. I did try using a record head as an erase head. It did erase the tape but not as completely as a real erase head -- too much signal remained. I pushed the bias current as high as I could without damaging the record head and was not able to effect adequate erasure. I tried Nakamichi heads, Revox heads, Tecgnics heads, Nortronics, Sprague, Saki, and about eleven other record heads. Then I tried twelve playback heads as erase heads. Then I tried to adapt the multitrack erase head from Tascam, Korg, Teac and Fostex cassette- based "Portastudio" style multitrack recorder as well as a Tascam 124's erase head. This worked, but the spacing between the tracks was wrong. It was ever-so-close, but the makers of these cassette-based "Portastudios" use different track widths than did Nakamichi. So I ended up having a custom record head made. > Tim B > > Kimo B. Yap wrote: >>> The more I think about this the more I think this must be >>> possible. I don't >>> know what the flux differences are between a record head on an >>> open reel >>> deck versus what compact cassette tape would be expecting, but I >>> wonder if a >>> reel adapter could be rigged for a compact cassette spool to be >>> run across >>> the heads of a r2r, a 1 kHz signal recorded across the tape's >>> entire width >>> using the r2r heads, and then the same tape passed through a >>> known-good >>> cassette deck and the erase heads used to erase the signal from >>> where we >>> don't want it. >>> >>> Is this a practical way to end up with what we'd be looking for? >>> Thoughts? >>> >> >> I assume you are asking about the weird track alignment tape. I >> thought of that, but then thought there >> might be an easier way in that I have an old Craig portable that >> is mono--hence >> should have effectively a half-track head. Not as good as full >> track, but I am afraid keeping >> even mediocre alignment of cassette tape going across an R2R path >> is going to be tricky ( I do haven an >> R2R but that's why I think that would be tough even though you're >> actually trying to make a full track >> tape anyway). >> >> However, this is what my question about the erase head being >> essentially quarter-track or half track was about. >> It looks like the erase head might be essentially half-track. An >> R2R erase head for a quarter track deck is >> quarter-track, but it has to be because the tracks aren't adjacent >> for R2R (they alternate for better channel >> separation, or at least that's what I thought the theory was). For >> various reasons tracks on cassette for >> a given side are adjacent, so the erase head really only has to be >> "half-track" and it might end up covering >> a lot of other sins by doing that, so my guess is that the Nak >> (and maybe all cassette deck) erase heads might >> actually be half-track, so they won't just erase the fine line >> down the middle, but the whole side of the tape.-kby >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Oct 25 23:51:14 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:51:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: References: <82FDD0B7-48ED-4A97-8092-1C66A4BF2B86@alumni.caltech.edu> <453F4F1E.50602@cox.net> Message-ID: <453FDC52.3030806@cox.net> It's good to get some empirical evidence. Thanks. In your opinion, would the amount of erasure provided by the record head provide enough of an audible null to use for head track alignment? Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Tim, > > On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:48 AM, Tim Barrett wrote: > >> I believe you are right about erase heads being half track. All >> cassette erase heads I've had experience with were single channel >> half track. For the track alignment tape, where the full width of the >> tape is imprinted with a signal and then only the track area is >> erased, could a record head be used as an erase head? I don't know >> the electrical characteristics of the heads so don't know how >> feasible that would be - if the record head could operate at the >> power level required to fully erase a track. If one were to pull the >> erase head physically away from the tape and let just the bias signal >> on the record head pass over a recorded area, how much of the signal >> would be erased > > Could a record head be used as an erase head? Not successfully. Think > about it: the erase head has a wider gap than the record head to > maximize flux. I did try using a record head as an erase head. It did > erase the tape but not as completely as a real erase head -- too much > signal remained. I pushed the bias current as high as I could without > damaging the record head and was not able to effect adequate erasure. > I tried Nakamichi heads, Revox heads, Tecgnics heads, Nortronics, > Sprague, Saki, and about eleven other record heads. Then I tried > twelve playback heads as erase heads. Then I tried to adapt the > multitrack erase head from Tascam, Korg, Teac and Fostex > cassette-based "Portastudio" style multitrack recorder as well as a > Tascam 124's erase head. This worked, but the spacing between the > tracks was wrong. It was ever-so-close, but the makers of these > cassette-based "Portastudios" use different track widths than did > Nakamichi. So I ended up having a custom record head made. > > > >> Tim B >> >> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >>>> The more I think about this the more I think this must be >>>> possible. I don't >>>> know what the flux differences are between a record head on an open >>>> reel >>>> deck versus what compact cassette tape would be expecting, but I >>>> wonder if a >>>> reel adapter could be rigged for a compact cassette spool to be run >>>> across >>>> the heads of a r2r, a 1 kHz signal recorded across the tape's >>>> entire width >>>> using the r2r heads, and then the same tape passed through a >>>> known-good >>>> cassette deck and the erase heads used to erase the signal from >>>> where we >>>> don't want it. >>>> >>>> Is this a practical way to end up with what we'd be looking for? >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>> >>> I assume you are asking about the weird track alignment tape. I >>> thought of that, but then thought there >>> might be an easier way in that I have an old Craig portable that is >>> mono--hence >>> should have effectively a half-track head. Not as good as full >>> track, but I am afraid keeping >>> even mediocre alignment of cassette tape going across an R2R path is >>> going to be tricky ( I do haven an >>> R2R but that's why I think that would be tough even though you're >>> actually trying to make a full track >>> tape anyway). >>> >>> However, this is what my question about the erase head being >>> essentially quarter-track or half track was about. >>> It looks like the erase head might be essentially half-track. An R2R >>> erase head for a quarter track deck is >>> quarter-track, but it has to be because the tracks aren't adjacent >>> for R2R (they alternate for better channel >>> separation, or at least that's what I thought the theory was). For >>> various reasons tracks on cassette for >>> a given side are adjacent, so the erase head really only has to be >>> "half-track" and it might end up covering >>> a lot of other sins by doing that, so my guess is that the Nak (and >>> maybe all cassette deck) erase heads might >>> actually be half-track, so they won't just erase the fine line down >>> the middle, but the whole side of the tape.-kby >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 26 00:04:16 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:04:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <453FDC52.3030806@cox.net> References: <82FDD0B7-48ED-4A97-8092-1C66A4BF2B86@alumni.caltech.edu> <453F4F1E.50602@cox.net> <453FDC52.3030806@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Tim, On Oct 25, 2006, at 4:51 PM, Tim Barrett wrote: > It's good to get some empirical evidence. Thanks. In your > opinion, would the amount of erasure provided by the record head > provide enough of an audible null to use for head track alignment No. The best I achieved was -41 dB erasure (Nakamichi 600 head, very high bias current from custom-made oscillator -- higher bias current than needed for metal bias tapes). You'll need full erasure of the tape, equal to the inherent noise of the tape, or -60 dB erasure depth at least. > > > Kermit Gray wrote: >> Hi Tim, >> >> On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:48 AM, Tim Barrett wrote: >> >>> I believe you are right about erase heads being half track. All >>> cassette erase heads I've had experience with were single channel >>> half track. For the track alignment tape, where the full width of >>> the tape is imprinted with a signal and then only the track area >>> is erased, could a record head be used as an erase head? I don't >>> know the electrical characteristics of the heads so don't know >>> how feasible that would be - if the record head could operate at >>> the power level required to fully erase a track. If one were to >>> pull the erase head physically away from the tape and let just >>> the bias signal on the record head pass over a recorded area, how >>> much of the signal would be erased >> >> Could a record head be used as an erase head? Not successfully. >> Think about it: the erase head has a wider gap than the record >> head to maximize flux. I did try using a record head as an erase >> head. It did erase the tape but not as completely as a real erase >> head -- too much signal remained. I pushed the bias current as >> high as I could without damaging the record head and was not able >> to effect adequate erasure. I tried Nakamichi heads, Revox heads, >> Tecgnics heads, Nortronics, Sprague, Saki, and about eleven other >> record heads. Then I tried twelve playback heads as erase heads. >> Then I tried to adapt the multitrack erase head from Tascam, Korg, >> Teac and Fostex cassette-based "Portastudio" style multitrack >> recorder as well as a Tascam 124's erase head. This worked, but >> the spacing between the tracks was wrong. It was ever-so-close, >> but the makers of these cassette-based "Portastudios" use >> different track widths than did Nakamichi. So I ended up having a >> custom record head made. >> >> >> >>> Tim B >>> >>> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >>>>> The more I think about this the more I think this must be >>>>> possible. I don't >>>>> know what the flux differences are between a record head on an >>>>> open reel >>>>> deck versus what compact cassette tape would be expecting, but >>>>> I wonder if a >>>>> reel adapter could be rigged for a compact cassette spool to be >>>>> run across >>>>> the heads of a r2r, a 1 kHz signal recorded across the tape's >>>>> entire width >>>>> using the r2r heads, and then the same tape passed through a >>>>> known-good >>>>> cassette deck and the erase heads used to erase the signal from >>>>> where we >>>>> don't want it. >>>>> >>>>> Is this a practical way to end up with what we'd be looking >>>>> for? Thoughts? >>>>> >>>> >>>> I assume you are asking about the weird track alignment tape. I >>>> thought of that, but then thought there >>>> might be an easier way in that I have an old Craig portable that >>>> is mono--hence >>>> should have effectively a half-track head. Not as good as full >>>> track, but I am afraid keeping >>>> even mediocre alignment of cassette tape going across an R2R >>>> path is going to be tricky ( I do haven an >>>> R2R but that's why I think that would be tough even though >>>> you're actually trying to make a full track >>>> tape anyway). >>>> >>>> However, this is what my question about the erase head being >>>> essentially quarter-track or half track was about. >>>> It looks like the erase head might be essentially half-track. An >>>> R2R erase head for a quarter track deck is >>>> quarter-track, but it has to be because the tracks aren't >>>> adjacent for R2R (they alternate for better channel >>>> separation, or at least that's what I thought the theory was). >>>> For various reasons tracks on cassette for >>>> a given side are adjacent, so the erase head really only has to >>>> be "half-track" and it might end up covering >>>> a lot of other sins by doing that, so my guess is that the Nak >>>> (and maybe all cassette deck) erase heads might >>>> actually be half-track, so they won't just erase the fine line >>>> down the middle, but the whole side of the tape.-kby >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ----- >>>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Oct 25 23:17:33 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:17:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <20061025065132.86939.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061025065132.86939.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <67F29E1D-8002-467D-AE72-6F2BD0096E64@woods-and-waters.com> Yes, I meant the 1 kHz track alignment tape. On Oct 25, 2006, at 1:51 AM, Scott Johnson wrote: >> I can now make azimuth tapes that have the tone recorded only >> between the two tracks! > > Do you mean 1kHz track alignment? Because the Nak Azimuth tape is a > standard 15kHz test tone. The Nakamichi 1kHz track alignment tape is > the one that is unique. > > SJ > > --- Kermit Gray wrote: > >> Hey Kimo, >> >> Thanks for the reminder! Once Luis brought out his calibration >> tapes >> I put my calibration tape projects on a lower priority. >> >> However, I did successfully modify one of my recorders (a 600 of >> course) to make an azimuth test tape equivalent to the Nakamichi >> tape >> that is being discussed previously. I can now make azimuth tapes >> that >> have the tone recorded only between the two tracks! The recorder >> needs to be calibrated, though. I'm out of the Magview Tape >> Developer but have some on order. Once it arrives I will get back >> to >> work and finish calibrating my recorder so I can begin making >> azimuth >> alignment tapes as soon as possible. >> >> On Oct 23, 2006, at 5:20 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> >>> Check Scott Johnson's page which has a list of tapes: >>> >>> >>> How does what you are looking at compare to that list (which I >>> thought was all I've seen)? >>> >>> I don't think anyone can sell a copy of the Nak track alignment >>> tape except maybe Kermit, as I don't think there's a way >>> to do it with normal equipment (as I found out from this list and >> >>> was previously discussed, it has >>> a signal recorded only where the tracks AREN'T and no data where >> >>> the tracks ARE. The only way >>> someone's thought of making it at all is to record a cassette >> tape >>> with a full-track head, then erase >>> only the tracks that are supposed to be there. I asked recently >> and >>> got no response, but I'm not sure even >>> if you had the full-track head whether using at least a properly >> >>> aligned Nak you could do it since >>> I suspect the erase head may in fact be half-track and not >> quarter- >>> track. But I don't know that.-kby >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ========= >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! >> >> >> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 26 00:06:52 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:06:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes for 1 kHz track alignment tapes? In-Reply-To: <20061025142646.51072.qmail@web82414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061025142646.51072.qmail@web82414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <248F2A8B-6F84-4D11-85E2-572A5D9DDF3A@woods-and-waters.com> Hello all, Does anyone know of a blank cassette that runs true enough to be used for making 1 kHz track alignment tapes? I've completed my calibration (as best as I can) and can begin making 1 kHz track alignment tapes as soon as I've secured a supply of suitable blank cassettes. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at stager.com Thu Oct 26 00:10:17 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:10:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem In-Reply-To: <200610252152.k9PLqM4r009685@zxe.naks.com> References: <200610252152.k9PLqM4r009685@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20061025180534.02241670@stager.com> >Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:42:53 EDT >From: Benstratford at aol.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem > >... All I need to do now is sort out the chattering (Skidding Noise) when >pressing stop after playing a tape.... I had a similar problem - it was the thin belt from the motor that pulls back the head assembly when you stop the tape. The belt stretched over time (about twenty years, not too unreasonable) Replacement was easy, solved the problem. Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Oct 26 01:01:59 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061025230159.26469.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think we are assuming the way Nak made their track alignment tape by erasing the track narrowly. My thought - ( i have no recording head design experience but kind of idea I had about this tape) record 10 Khz at 10 time the speed with a head whose tracks will be between the regular tracks. The track will have narrow recording but will be 1 Khz when played at regular speed. Does this theory has any basis ? Kannan Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Tim, On Oct 25, 2006, at 4:51 PM, Tim Barrett wrote: It's good to get some empirical evidence. Thanks. In your opinion, would the amount of erasure provided by the record head provide enough of an audible null to use for head track alignment No. The best I achieved was -41 dB erasure (Nakamichi 600 head, very high bias current from custom-made oscillator -- higher bias current than needed for metal bias tapes). You'll need full erasure of the tape, equal to the inherent noise of the tape, or -60 dB erasure depth at least. Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Tim, On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:48 AM, Tim Barrett wrote: I believe you are right about erase heads being half track. All cassette erase heads I've had experience with were single channel half track. For the track alignment tape, where the full width of the tape is imprinted with a signal and then only the track area is erased, could a record head be used as an erase head? I don't know the electrical characteristics of the heads so don't know how feasible that would be - if the record head could operate at the power level required to fully erase a track. If one were to pull the erase head physically away from the tape and let just the bias signal on the record head pass over a recorded area, how much of the signal would be erased Could a record head be used as an erase head? Not successfully. Think about it: the erase head has a wider gap than the record head to maximize flux. I did try using a record head as an erase head. It did erase the tape but not as completely as a real erase head -- too much signal remained. I pushed the bias current as high as I could without damaging the record head and was not able to effect adequate erasure. I tried Nakamichi heads, Revox heads, Tecgnics heads, Nortronics, Sprague, Saki, and about eleven other record heads. Then I tried twelve playback heads as erase heads. Then I tried to adapt the multitrack erase head from Tascam, Korg, Teac and Fostex cassette-based "Portastudio" style multitrack recorder as well as a Tascam 124's erase head. This worked, but the spacing between the tracks was wrong. It was ever-so-close, but the makers of these cassette-based "Portastudios" use different track widths than did Nakamichi. So I ended up having a custom record head made. Tim B Kimo B. Yap wrote: The more I think about this the more I think this must be possible. I don't know what the flux differences are between a record head on an open reel deck versus what compact cassette tape would be expecting, but I wonder if a reel adapter could be rigged for a compact cassette spool to be run across the heads of a r2r, a 1 kHz signal recorded across the tape's entire width using the r2r heads, and then the same tape passed through a known-good cassette deck and the erase heads used to erase the signal from where we don't want it. Is this a practical way to end up with what we'd be looking for? Thoughts? I assume you are asking about the weird track alignment tape. I thought of that, but then thought there might be an easier way in that I have an old Craig portable that is mono--hence should have effectively a half-track head. Not as good as full track, but I am afraid keeping even mediocre alignment of cassette tape going across an R2R path is going to be tricky ( I do haven an R2R but that's why I think that would be tough even though you're actually trying to make a full track tape anyway). However, this is what my question about the erase head being essentially quarter-track or half track was about. It looks like the erase head might be essentially half-track. An R2R erase head for a quarter track deck is quarter-track, but it has to be because the tracks aren't adjacent for R2R (they alternate for better channel separation, or at least that's what I thought the theory was). For various reasons tracks on cassette for a given side are adjacent, so the erase head really only has to be "half-track" and it might end up covering a lot of other sins by doing that, so my guess is that the Nak (and maybe all cassette deck) erase heads might actually be half-track, so they won't just erase the fine line down the middle, but the whole side of the tape.-kby ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Ben I had the same problem as this ... until I realised I had set the calibration for a chrome tape when I had a metal one in the drawer! Check for not so obvious errors as this before assuming there is something mechanically wrong. I hope this helps Cheers Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jerryjg Sent: 25 October 2006 11:57 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem I've had my left channel completely out. Your problem might be entirely diferent. Heres what was reccoemneded to me to fix my problem and it did work. Gra-you lurkin bud?..."also worth checking is this .... The other week my ZX9 stopped replaying out of one channel. I suspected a cable. Nope! I tried recording - the lights all had bounced around nicely as if recording. Then it worked! It seems I have a slightly dodgy connection on the Play/Record switch. Try that". Gra' On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:27:58 -0500, wrote: > Has anyone experienced this? - Level of right channel much lower than > the left channel. Azimuth adjustment is ok but level adjustment makes > little difference to the right channel. The tape sounds fine in other > decks so I'm thinking it could be a mechanical or probably an electrical > problem, any ideas? -- From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Oct 26 06:23:11 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:23:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Message-ID: Also to add a drop of fine watch oil to the cam bearing; before you close the deck lid...of course AFTER that you change the old slipping belt for a new one! Peace ,ALEX! > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:10:17 -0400> From: marc at stager.com> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem> To: naktalk at naks.com> > > >Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:42:53 EDT> >From: Benstratford at aol.com> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem> >> >... All I need to do now is sort out the chattering (Skidding Noise) when> >pressing stop after playing a tape....> > I had a similar problem - it was the thin belt from the motor that pulls back> the head assembly when you stop the tape. The belt stretched over time> (about twenty years, not too unreasonable)> Replacement was easy, solved the problem.> > Marc Stager> Stager Sound Systems> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. Try it. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Oct 26 06:28:47 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:28:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Message-ID: Hi! So my tip works...Today I really feel extremely well!!! Regarding the "Skidding Noise"...seems to me, that you need to replace your cams belt for a new more tight fiitting one, and also to drop a watch oil to the bearing cams. Theso two issue will solve all your "Chattering/Skidding" noises. Peace ,ALEX! From: Benstratford at aol.comDate: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:42:53 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level ProblemTo: naktalk at naks.com Just once in a while, something amazing happens and costs nothing - Not very often I admit! After twiddling all the Knobs a few times, (Thanks Alex for your advice) and trying Chrome tape, everything worked! Taped a few things on chrome then tried a metal tape and found excessive bias setting which was preventing the level calibration, (Thanks Tom and gigkerrtx for your tips). All I need to do now is sort out the chattering (Skidding Noise) when pressing stop after playing a tape. Many thanks to you guys for assisting a new nak owner / fan. _________________________________________________________________ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. Try it. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Oct 26 07:57:20 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:57:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes for 1 kHz track alignment tapes? Message-ID: <7C8D4C6E-EEDD-4019-ACB8-4EDDE1706F3F@alumni.caltech.edu> Hey Kermit, This sounds great. I kind of know what you're asking in general but am not sure how I'd know the answer in specific to your question. How do I "know" it's good enough? I mean, if I had to guess TDK MA-R in the metal shells are the best, but pretty pricey and hard to get, plus I know Tom says type IIs suffer less from self-erasure.-kby From btorre at ix.netcom.com Thu Oct 26 08:38:22 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:38:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: References: <82FDD0B7-48ED-4A97-8092-1C66A4BF2B86@alumni.caltech.edu> <453F4F1E.50602@cox.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061026020814.03ce7b60@ix.netcom.com> At 05:29 PM 10/25/06, you wrote: >Could a record head be used as an erase head? Not successfully. >Think about it: the erase head has a wider gap than the record head to >maximize flux. I know this isn't cassette-related, but by the time the Ampex AG series came out, they had gone to a dual-gap ferrite erase head. There are darned few erase heads better than that one. It could erase the tape well below the noise floor of the electronics. Jay McKnight has several excellent papers on alignment tapes and mag recording in general on his site: http://www.mrltapes.com Jay doesn't do cassette alignment tapes, but JRF does handle EMTEC cassette test tapes: http://www.jrfmagnetics.com Btw, this is Shiffy's site if any of you are still interested in resurrecting old recordings: http://www.shifrin.net/ From kjbleus at charter.net Thu Oct 26 13:07:51 2006 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:07:51 -0500 Subject: [NakTalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Message-ID: <002f01c6f8ee$fbbc3bc0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Greetings.... The prob described is typical for early to mid generation Nak decks. Especially with decks not used for a period of time, often resold on ebay, and received by new owners who intend to use the decks vigorously. All of the button and potentiometer mechanisms certainly need cleaning on these oldie decks. Having a pro do a tune-up on all contacts and belts is the solution. The industrious among us often are able to do these chores too, like going into the innards of the deck and checking all vital parts. My Nak ZX-9 needed such attention a few years ago, starting with me doing the initial check-up, and then sending the deck off to a service technologist to do the more advanced rehab diagnostics and rehab work. Some of those activities are documented in photo graphics on the BleusNak website. Best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bleusnakzx92004.html Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:42:53 EDT From: Benstratford at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just once in a while, something amazing happens and costs nothing - Not very often I admit! After twiddling all the Knobs a few times, (Thanks Alex for your advice) and trying Chrome tape, everything worked! Taped a few things on chrome then tried a metal tape and found excessive bias setting which was preventing the level calibration, (Thanks Tom and gigkerrtx for your tips). All I need to do now is sort out the chattering (Skidding Noise) when pressing stop after playing a tape. Many thanks to you guys for assisting a new nak owner / fan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Thu Oct 26 13:27:52 2006 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:27:52 -0400 Subject: [NakTalk] ZX-9 Level Problem In-Reply-To: <002f01c6f8ee$fbbc3bc0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> References: <002f01c6f8ee$fbbc3bc0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <8C8C708E90F7CEC-FE4-38C5@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> KJB - Many thanks for your comments which are reassuring. I normally tackle all the mechanical refurb work but let the guys with bigger brains do the electrical staff also. For some time I have just worked on the late 70's Pioneer range of decks (Need an idler tyre for a CT-A1), but due to yours' and others' excellent web sites, have now got the nak bug bad. Is there anything to be especially wary of with the mechanical side of things or are most things straight forward? I have a Dragon also but am going to tackle the ZX-9 first. Best Regards Ben -----Original Message----- From: kjbleus at charter.net To: Benstratford at aol.com CC: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12.07PM Subject: Re: [NakTalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Greetings.... The prob described is typical for early to mid generation Nak decks. Especially with decks not used for a period of time, often resold on ebay, and received by new owners who intend to use the decks vigorously. All of the button and potentiometer mechanisms certainly need cleaning on these oldie decks. Having a pro do a tune-up on all contacts and belts is the solution. The industrious among us often are able to do these chores too, like going into the innards of the deck and checking all vital parts. My Nak ZX-9 needed such attention a few years ago, starting with me doing the initial check-up, and then sending the deck off to a service technologist to do the more advanced rehab diagnostics and rehab work. Some of those activities are documented in photo graphics on the BleusNak website. Best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bleusnakzx92004.html Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:42:53 EDT From: Benstratford at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just once in a while, something amazing happens and costs nothing - Not very often I admit! After twiddling all the Knobs a few times, (Thanks Alex for your advice) and trying Chrome tape, everything worked! Taped a few things on chrome then tried a metal tape and found excessive bias setting which was preventing the level calibration, (Thanks Tom and gigkerrtx for your tips). All I need to do now is sort out the chattering (Skidding Noise) when pressing stop after playing a tape. Many thanks to you guys for assisting a new nak owner / fan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Thu Oct 26 13:40:23 2006 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:40:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C8C70AA8AB4ED8-FE4-3941@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Marc & Alex - thanks for your help. Is the ZX-9 particularly sensitive to getting exactly the right original spec belts or will a very similar one do just as well? I'm thinking that the motor belt and the counter belt are flexible but the capstan belt needs to be pretty close to original spec? Thanks, Ben. -----Original Message----- From: alexcozac at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 5.23AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Also to add a drop of fine watch oil to the cam bearing; before you close the deck lid...of course AFTER that you change the old slipping belt for a new one! Peace , ALEX! > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:10:17 -0400 > From: marc at stager.com > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:42:53 EDT > >From: Benstratford at aol.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem > > > >... All I need to do now is sort out the chattering (Skidding Noise) when > >pressing stop after playing a tape.... > > I had a similar problem - it was the thin belt from the motor that pulls back > the head assembly when you stop the tape. The belt stretched over time > (about twenty years, not too unreasonable) > Replacement was easy, solved the problem. > > Marc Stager > Stager Sound Systems > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Try the next generation of search with Windows LiveT Search today! 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Message-ID: <005701c6f90a$c39e04a0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, I would like to know what you'll suggest for cleaning potentiometers, sliders and contacts in my naks (and other electronic equipment for that matter) Some sources on the internet suggest a contact cleaner like DeOxit or Kontakt 60 (Europe) - others states that IPA applied with for instance a syringe is just as good - or better. I have a bottle of 99 percent isopropyl alcohol that I bought to clean tapeheads, rollers, etc. in my tapedecks. Some also suggest a lubricant to protect the potentiometers and contacts after you have cleaned them. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark From rjkent at comcast.net Thu Oct 26 16:30:59 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:30:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Message-ID: <001601c6f90b$5b4bab40$0301a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Ben, One other possible thing to try. I have a 682ZX that mysteriously lost about 90% of its playback signal in one channel during a several months period of non-use. I had tried everything I could think of to figure it out, and was about to send it to ESL for a look. I decided to experiment one last time, and discovered that the Monitor/Source switch was at fault. A light touch of the switch caused the level to jump, so I cycled it several times and the problem dissapeared. After talking with Jeff at ESL, I also sprayed some contact cleaner into the switch body. I haven't had any problem since then. Robert Kent wrote: > Has anyone experienced this? - Level of right channel much lower than > the left channel. Azimuth adjustment is ok but level adjustment makes > little difference to the right channel. The tape sounds fine in other > decks so I'm thinking it could be a mechanical or probably an electrical > problem, any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 26 17:58:09 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:58:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <453FDC52.3030806@cox.net> References: <82FDD0B7-48ED-4A97-8092-1C66A4BF2B86@alumni.caltech.edu> <453F4F1E.50602@cox.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061026105809.0082b670@earthlink.net> In theory yes, because you are searching for a minimum. I like the idea of pulling the erase head connector and recording w/ no input. I will test this asap. I need to find an old mono cassette to record across the guard band. tom brucker At 05:51 PM 10/25/06 -0400, you wrote: >>>> It's good to get some empirical evidence. Thanks. In your opinion, would the amount of erasure provided by the record head provide enough of an audible null to use for head track alignment? Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Tim, On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:48 AM, Tim Barrett wrote: I believe you are right about erase heads being half track. All cassette erase heads I've had experience with were single channel half track. For the track alignment tape, where the full width of the tape is imprinted with a signal and then only the track area is erased, could a record head be used as an erase head? I don't know the electrical characteristics of the heads so don't know how feasible that would be - if the record head could operate at the power level required to fully erase a track. If one were to pull the erase head physically away from the tape and let just the bias signal on the record head pass over a recorded area, how much of the signal would be erased Could a record head be used as an erase head? Not successfully. Think about it: the erase head has a wider gap than the record head to maximize flux. I did try using a record head as an erase head. It did erase the tape but not as completely as a real erase head -- too much signal remained. I pushed the bias current as high as I could without damaging the record head and was not able to effect adequate erasure. I tried Nakamichi heads, Revox heads, Tecgnics heads, Nortronics, Sprague, Saki, and about eleven other record heads. Then I tried twelve playback heads as erase heads. Then I tried to adapt the multitrack erase head from Tascam, Korg, Teac and Fostex cassette-based "Portastudio" style multitrack recorder as well as a Tascam 124's erase head. This worked, but the spacing between the tracks was wrong. It was ever-so-close, but the makers of these cassette-based "Portastudios" use different track widths than did Nakamichi. So I ended up having a custom record head made. Tim B Kimo B. Yap wrote: The more I think about this the more I think this must be possible. I don't know what the flux differences are between a record head on an open reel deck versus what compact cassette tape would be expecting, but I wonder if a reel adapter could be rigged for a compact cassette spool to be run across the heads of a r2r, a 1 kHz signal recorded across the tape's entire width using the r2r heads, and then the same tape passed through a known-good cassette deck and the erase heads used to erase the signal from where we don't want it. Is this a practical way to end up with what we'd be looking for? Thoughts? I assume you are asking about the weird track alignment tape. I thought of that, but then thought there might be an easier way in that I have an old Craig portable that is mono--hence should have effectively a half-track head. Not as good as full track, but I am afraid keeping even mediocre alignment of cassette tape going across an R2R path is going to be tricky ( I do haven an R2R but that's why I think that would be tough even though you're actually trying to make a full track tape anyway). However, this is what my question about the erase head being essentially quarter-track or half track was about. It looks like the erase head might be essentially half-track. An R2R erase head for a quarter track deck is quarter-track, but it has to be because the tracks aren't adjacent for R2R (they alternate for better channel separation, or at least that's what I thought the theory was). For various reasons tracks on cassette for a given side are adjacent, so the erase head really only has to be "half-track" and it might end up covering a lot of other sins by doing that, so my guess is that the Nak (and maybe all cassette deck) erase heads might actually be half-track, so they won't just erase the fine line down the middle, but the whole side of the tape.-kby ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Oct 26 18:16:41 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:16:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? Message-ID: Dear Per! Kontakt 60 it's OK also the UK made Servisol...the Deoxid also is good...but first instead to "Open" Dismantle" any cover top or bottom ones...move forward & back at least 20 times...is cheaper, don't needed to dismantle or remove form where the deck stands...& for a while will work! Peace,ALEX! > From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:26:41 +0200> Subject: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA?> > Hi,> > I would like to know what you'll suggest for cleaning > potentiometers, sliders and contacts in my naks (and> other electronic equipment for that matter) Some sources > on the internet suggest a contact cleaner like DeOxit or > Kontakt 60 (Europe) - others states that IPA applied with> for instance a syringe is just as good - or better. I have a> bottle of 99 percent isopropyl alcohol that I bought to > clean tapeheads, rollers, etc. in my tapedecks. Some> also suggest a lubricant to protect the potentiometers> and contacts after you have cleaned them.> > Best Regards,> > Per Borgen> Denmark> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE http://get.live.com/messenger/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Ben. -----Original Message-----From: alexcozac at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 5.23AMSubject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Also to add a drop of fine watch oil to the cam bearing; before you close the deck lid...of course AFTER that you change the old slipping belt for a new one! Peace ,ALEX! > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:10:17 -0400> From: marc at stager.com> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem> To: naktalk at naks.com> > > >Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:42:53 EDT> >From: Benstratford at aol.com> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem> >> >... All I need to do now is sort out the chattering (Skidding Noise) when> >pressing stop after playing a tape....> > I had a similar problem - it was the thin belt from the motor that pulls back> the head assembly when you stop the tape. The belt stretched over time> (about twenty years, not too unreasonable)> Replacement was easy, solved the problem.> > Marc Stager> Stager Sound Systems> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Try the next generation of search with Windows LiveT Search today! 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In-Reply-To: <005701c6f90a$c39e04a0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <20061026165839.39686.qmail@web82409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Caig Labs, DeOxit is very good, IPA can be used safely also, and is very efficent, leaves no residue, so if you can drain off the part being cleaned, IPA is excellent. rgds Khan Per wrote: Hi, I would like to know what you'll suggest for cleaning potentiometers, sliders and contacts in my naks (and other electronic equipment for that matter) Some sources on the internet suggest a contact cleaner like DeOxit or Kontakt 60 (Europe) - others states that IPA applied with for instance a syringe is just as good - or better. I have a bottle of 99 percent isopropyl alcohol that I bought to clean tapeheads, rollers, etc. in my tapedecks. Some also suggest a lubricant to protect the potentiometers and contacts after you have cleaned them. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Oct 26 19:05:22 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:05:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061026105809.0082b670@earthlink.net> References: <82FDD0B7-48ED-4A97-8092-1C66A4BF2B86@alumni.caltech.edu> <453F4F1E.50602@cox.net> <3.0.3.32.20061026105809.0082b670@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4540EAD2.60700@cox.net> I didn't consider disconnecting the erase head because that would have a big effect on the bias oscillator. The erase head is its biggest load. Please let us know what you find when you try this. Tim Hi Tech wrote: > In theory yes, because you are searching for a minimum. I like the idea of > pulling the erase head connector and recording w/ no input. I will test > this asap. I need to find an old mono cassette to record across the guard > band. > > tom brucker > > At 05:51 PM 10/25/06 -0400, you wrote: > > It's good to get some empirical evidence. Thanks. In your opinion, would > the amount of erasure provided by the record head provide enough of an > audible null to use for head track alignment? > > Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Tim, > > On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:48 AM, Tim Barrett wrote: > > I believe you are right about erase heads being half track. All cassette > erase heads I've had experience with were single channel half track. For > the track alignment tape, where the full width of the tape is imprinted > with a signal and then only the track area is erased, could a record head > be used as an erase head? I don't know the electrical characteristics of > the heads so don't know how feasible that would be - if the record head > could operate at the power level required to fully erase a track. If one > were to pull the erase head physically away from the tape and let just the > bias signal on the record head pass over a recorded area, how much of the > signal would be erased > > Could a record head be used as an erase head? Not successfully. Think about > it: the erase head has a wider gap than the record head to maximize flux. I > did try using a record head as an erase head. It did erase the tape but not > as completely as a real erase head -- too much signal remained. I pushed > the bias current as high as I could without damaging the record head and > was not able to effect adequate erasure. I tried Nakamichi heads, Revox > heads, Tecgnics heads, Nortronics, Sprague, Saki, and about eleven other > record heads. Then I tried twelve playback heads as erase heads. Then I > tried to adapt the multitrack erase head from Tascam, Korg, Teac and Fostex > cassette-based "Portastudio" style multitrack recorder as well as a > Tascam 124's erase head. This worked, but the spacing between the tracks > was wrong. It was ever-so-close, but the makers of these cassette-based > "Portastudios" use different track widths than did Nakamichi. So I ended up > having a custom record head made. > > > > Tim B > > Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > The more I think about this the more I think this must be possible. I don't > know what the flux differences are between a record head on an open reel > deck versus what compact cassette tape would be expecting, but I wonder if a > reel adapter could be rigged for a compact cassette spool to be run across > the heads of a r2r, a 1 kHz signal recorded across the tape's entire width > using the r2r heads, and then the same tape passed through a known-good > cassette deck and the erase heads used to erase the signal from where we > don't want it. > > Is this a practical way to end up with what we'd be looking for? Thoughts? > > > I assume you are asking about the weird track alignment tape. I thought of > that, but then thought there > might be an easier way in that I have an old Craig portable that is > mono--hence > should have effectively a half-track head. Not as good as full track, but I > am afraid keeping > even mediocre alignment of cassette tape going across an R2R path is going > to be tricky ( I do haven an > R2R but that's why I think that would be tough even though you're actually > trying to make a full track > tape anyway). > > However, this is what my question about the erase head being essentially > quarter-track or half track was about. > It looks like the erase head might be essentially half-track. An R2R erase > head for a quarter track deck is > quarter-track, but it has to be because the tracks aren't adjacent for R2R > (they alternate for better channel > separation, or at least that's what I thought the theory was). For various > reasons tracks on cassette for > a given side are adjacent, so the erase head really only has to be > "half-track" and it might end up covering > a lot of other sins by doing that, so my guess is that the Nak (and maybe > all cassette deck) erase heads might > actually be half-track, so they won't just erase the fine line down the > middle, but the whole side of the tape.-kby > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Kermit Gray > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to make your music better! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 26 20:06:34 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:06:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes for 1 kHz track alignment tapes? In-Reply-To: <7C8D4C6E-EEDD-4019-ACB8-4EDDE1706F3F@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <7C8D4C6E-EEDD-4019-ACB8-4EDDE1706F3F@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: Hey Kimo, On Oct 26, 2006, at 12:57 AM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Hey Kermit, > This sounds great. I kind of know what you're asking in general but > am not sure how I'd know > the answer in specific to your question. How do I "know" it's good > enough? That's the question I've been grappling with. I've been trying different cassette shells and visually observing the tape travel, then using MagView to look at the mag track under a microscope to see how much "wiggle" exists, suggesting irregular vertical travel of the tape past the head. > > I mean, if I had to guess TDK MA-R in the metal shells are the > best, but pretty pricey and hard to get, Yes, I think TDK MA-R tape shell is the best, but I'm hoping to find a new shell that is as good or better -- without having to make a shell from scratch. Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Oct 26 20:07:47 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:07:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <20061025230159.26469.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061025230159.26469.qmail@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Kannan, On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:01 PM, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I think we are assuming the way Nak made their track alignment tape > by erasing the track narrowly. > My thought - ( i have no recording head design experience but kind > of idea I had about this tape) > record 10 Khz at 10 time the speed with a head whose tracks will be > between the regular tracks. The track will have narrow recording > but will be 1 Khz when played at regular speed. > Does this theory has any basis ? In theory, this would work, but you've touched on the key issue: a head with the correct track size and placement. If you have such a head, then why not just record the 1 kc tone at the regular speed? This is what I'll be doing: recording the 1 kc tone at 1-7/8 ips onto a blank, bulk-erased cassette, making the recording the custom record head I had made to fit my 600. > Kannan > > Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Tim, > > On Oct 25, 2006, at 4:51 PM, Tim Barrett wrote: > >> It's good to get some empirical evidence. Thanks. In your >> opinion, would the amount of erasure provided by the record head >> provide enough of an audible null to use for head track alignment > > No. The best I achieved was -41 dB erasure (Nakamichi 600 head, > very high bias current from custom-made oscillator -- higher bias > current than needed for metal bias tapes). You'll need full erasure > of the tape, equal to the inherent noise of the tape, or -60 dB > erasure depth at least. > > Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 20:22:03 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:22:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes for 1 kHz track alignment tapes? In-Reply-To: References: <7C8D4C6E-EEDD-4019-ACB8-4EDDE1706F3F@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <6bddc1110610261122n668eb1d0l5e5c7f8a1989eca4@mail.gmail.com> Among my bookmarks I found a few sites that might help with researching your needs, if not necessarily providing you with what you need. Tape Center has plenty of low-cost tape shells for tape repair: http://www.tapecenter.com/noname3.html And they have a lot of Maxell and TDK tapes that can be purchased just to gut them for the shells: http://www.tapecenter.com/maxblanaudta.html http://www.tapecenter.com/blanaudtap.html More (including some possibly better shells by SKC) are at http://www.tape.com/pg_blank_audio_cassettes_new.html There are also some empty shells and other stuff at http://www.tracertek.com/taperestoration.htm -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Oct 26 21:01:16 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:01:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? References: <20061026165839.39686.qmail@web82409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007a01c6f931$1e934700$b207010a@hurtignok> THANKS for your advice - I'll stick with my 99% IPA so far :-) Any concerns about rubber? Some says that IPA has tendency to dry out rubber parts. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? Caig Labs, DeOxit is very good, IPA can be used safely also, and is very efficent, leaves no residue, so if you can drain off the part being cleaned, IPA is excellent. rgds Khan Per wrote: Hi, I would like to know what you'll suggest for cleaning potentiometers, sliders and contacts in my naks (and other electronic equipment for that matter) Some sources on the internet suggest a contact cleaner like DeOxit or Kontakt 60 (Europe) - others states that IPA applied with for instance a syringe is just as good - or better. I have a bottle of 99 percent isopropyl alcohol that I bought to clean tapeheads, rollers, etc. in my tapedecks. Some also suggest a lubricant to protect the potentiometers and contacts after you have cleaned them. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 02:08:21 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? In-Reply-To: <007a01c6f931$1e934700$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <20061027000821.8211.qmail@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> IPA does have a tendency to react with rubber parts. I have also noticed some plastic parts being affected by IPA. For contact, I would got for DeOxit, for two reasons. First its ability to squirt and clean the contact, obviously. Second is that it protects the contacts, rather then leaving them bare to the environment. And have had no problem with it reacting with plastics.. Bala Per wrote: THANKS for your advice - I'll stick with my 99% IPA so far :-) Any concerns about rubber? Some says that IPA has tendency to dry out rubber parts. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? Caig Labs, DeOxit is very good, IPA can be used safely also, and is very efficent, leaves no residue, so if you can drain off the part being cleaned, IPA is excellent. rgds Khan Per wrote: Hi, I would like to know what you'll suggest for cleaning potentiometers, sliders and contacts in my naks (and other electronic equipment for that matter) Some sources on the internet suggest a contact cleaner like DeOxit or Kontakt 60 (Europe) - others states that IPA applied with for instance a syringe is just as good - or better. I have a bottle of 99 percent isopropyl alcohol that I bought to clean tapeheads, rollers, etc. in my tapedecks. Some also suggest a lubricant to protect the potentiometers and contacts after you have cleaned them. 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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Oct 27 04:56:27 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:56:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? Message-ID: <44F6AB38-1F5F-4259-813A-4B583FCCD902@alumni.caltech.edu> > Caig Labs, DeOxit is very good, IPA can be used safely also, and is > very efficent, leaves no residue, so if you can drain off the > part being cleaned, IPA is excellent. At least if I take the Caig literature at reasonable face value (not knowing what the exact contents are) and knowing enough chemistry about isopropanol (aka IPA), I would say it depends on what the problem is. If the problem is old greasy stuff, then isopropanol should be fine. One of the Caig 5% products should also work, but would be more expensive (these would be the D5 or D5N products, but not the D100 product). On the other hand, if the problem is surface (or worse) oxidation deposits on the contacts, then you should use the Caig products as they (again, taking their claims at reasonably close face value) as they are supposed to help soften/break up/remove the oxide coatings. They also claim to leave behind something that helps protect the new fresh surface. I would still use the 5% products for the additional flushing solvent which acts like isopropanol for the greasy part of the component as well as mechanical action of flushing away any debris. I would only prefer the D100 product if I were dealing with a really stubborn case, in which case I'd follow it with isopropanol or some other hydrocarbon or halogenated hydrocarbon contact cleaner.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Oct 27 05:34:10 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:34:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes for 1 kHz track alignment tapes? Message-ID: <14D0A9A2-0B14-4627-AF08-BA2C279B86AC@alumni.caltech.edu> Hi Kermit, > That's the question I've been grappling with. I've been trying > different cassette shells and visually observing the tape travel, > then using MagView to look at the mag track under a microscope to see > how much "wiggle" exists, suggesting irregular vertical travel of the > tape past the head. Hmmm....well, OK. In continuing line of never-ending questions (it's a sysadmin thing) that doesn't sound like something the average user (aka me) is going have done too much-- so I guess my next question would be what have you tried that doesn't work (and roughly what way--bad tape or bad shell)? I generally find the maxell shells better, but I've noticed that XLII tape in particular seems to go through bad batches. I have a number of MX-S 100 and 90 shell parts, although probably not enough for a full manufacturing run, if those would be helpful I'd be happy to mail you the pieces and you can mix and match as you like--the tape is all bad although it is bad one or sometimes both ends and not in the middle if you want to remove and/or resplice leaders (I actually have more shell parts that would require tapes than ones with damaged tape at this point, though).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckdawson at cableone.net Fri Oct 27 05:58:52 2006 From: ckdawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:58:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact cleaner or IPA? References: <200610261447.k9QElQ2d017031@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003901c6f97c$3747c870$6401a8c0@dell> Per Wrote - Hi, I would like to know what you'll suggest for cleaning potentiometers, sliders and contacts in my naks (and other electronic equipment for that matter) Some sources on the internet suggest a contact cleaner like DeOxit or Kontakt 60 (Europe) - others states that IPA applied with for instance a syringe is just as good - or better. I have a bottle of 99 percent isopropyl alcohol that I bought to clean tapeheads, rollers, etc. in my tapedecks. Some also suggest a lubricant to protect the potentiometers and contacts after you have cleaned them. I also am a member of the Audiokarma Forum and I saw a recent post there that dealt with Caig cleaning products (Deoxit, ProGold). Caig themselves reccommend using Deoxit only on contact-type switches and using another of their products called Fader Lube, formerly Cailube MCL, for carbon compound faders (i.e. potentiometers). The person posting pasted a reply from a company spokesman who explained that regular Deoxit could damage carbon. Keith From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Oct 27 06:45:14 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:45:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes for 1 kHz track alignment tapes? In-Reply-To: <14D0A9A2-0B14-4627-AF08-BA2C279B86AC@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <14D0A9A2-0B14-4627-AF08-BA2C279B86AC@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <1A33E6BB-E9AB-4E1B-9F55-1D57B5F8247B@woods-and-waters.com> On Oct 26, 2006, at 10:34 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Hi Kermit, > >> That's the question I've been grappling with. I've been trying >> different cassette shells and visually observing the tape travel, >> then using MagView to look at the mag track under a microscope to see >> how much "wiggle" exists, suggesting irregular vertical travel of the >> tape past the head. > > > Hmmm....well, OK. In continuing line of never-ending questions > (it's a sysadmin thing) I'm laughing heartily! Good on you! > that doesn't sound like something the average user (aka me) is > going have done too much-- > so I guess my next question would be what have you tried that > doesn't work (and roughly > what way--bad tape or bad shell)? Sorry .... I'm constantly torture-testing things. It's an R&D guy thing. [Turn On Laugh Track Here.] I even drive my friends nuts with hearing and listener perception tests on occasion. My thinking is why go to all the R&D to develop an accurate calibration tape only to have the precision undone by a shell that doesn't guide the tape precisely and uniformly past the head? Hence my quest. Haven't found the precision shell I need -- yet -- but I found the Holy Grail in my attic. > > I generally find the maxell shells better, but I've noticed that > XLII tape in particular seems > to go through bad batches. > > I have a number of MX-S 100 and 90 shell parts, although probably > not enough for a > full manufacturing run, if those would be helpful I'd be happy to > mail you the pieces and > you can mix and match as you like--the tape is all bad although it > is bad one or sometimes > both ends and not in the middle if you want to remove and/or > resplice leaders (I actually > have more shell parts that would require tapes than ones with > damaged tape at this point, > though).-kby > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bala Bernard White wrote: After all the very technical discussions of late here's a question of profound simplicity, but nevertheless, one I'd like to know the answer to: what is the difference between the controls for EQ and for tape type? My DR 10 has no control for changing EQ between 70 and 120, but it does, of course, have the three tape type settings. My 1000ZXL has the EQ switch but no manual switch for tape types. Most Naks have both. I seem to recall reading some while back that the ZXL automatically reads the tape type. Is that the case? And what does one lose where (as with the DR10) there is no EQ switching capability? Thanks in anticipation. 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URL: From benstratford at aol.com Fri Oct 27 09:19:00 2006 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:19:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem In-Reply-To: <20061026144520.63307.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C8C7AF4F416424-AF8-489E@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com> Kannan + Alex, Thanks for your help, Have new rubber (3 belts + Tyre) on its way to UK from Jeff @ Electronic Service Labs, amazing service and response to enquiry. Will be quiet now while I wait fot the post to arrive. Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 3.45PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Better get the original belt if possible. Otherwise you might possibly will face problem of high wow and flutter. Kannan benstratford at aol.com wrote: Marc & Alex - thanks for your help. Is the ZX-9 particularly sensitive to getting exactly the right original spec belts or will a very similar one do just as well? I'm thinking that the motor belt and the counter belt are flexible but the capstan belt needs to be pretty close to original spec? Thanks, Ben. -----Original Message----- From: alexcozac at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 5.23AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Also to add a drop of fine watch oil to the cam bearing; before you close the deck lid...of course AFTER that you change the old slipping belt for a new one! Peace , ALEX! > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:10:17 -0400 > From: marc at stager.com > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:42:53 EDT > >From: Benstratford at aol.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem > > > >... All I need to do now is sort out the chattering (Skidding Noise) when > >pressing stop after playing a tape.... > > I had a similar problem - it was the thin belt from the motor that pulls back > the head assembly when you stop the tape. The belt stretched over time > (about twenty years, not too unreasonable) > Replacement was easy, solved the problem. > > Marc Stager > Stager Sound Systems > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Try the next generation of search with Windows LiveT Search today! 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There is a recording EQ which doesn't [maybe usually, but I think ever] have a user-settable thing. In most decks it is adjusted by a technician; the 1000zxl and 700zxl are exceptions that accomplish essentially the same goal albeit with differing degrees of sophistication, and affect the record EQ and bias amount (as well as azimuth and overall level). This is so that when the tape is "played back" at either 70 or 120, it "sounds right" when the recording EQ was set up so that the playback EQ necessary to get flat response matches.-kby From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 27 13:37:49 2006 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? In-Reply-To: <007a01c6f931$1e934700$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <20061027113749.93499.qmail@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> An old trick for rubber pinch rollers is to clean thoroughly with IPA and then put them in hot water for a while to rehydrate. I know it sounds silly, but does prevent rollers from developing early cracks. rgds Khan Per wrote: THANKS for your advice - I'll stick with my 99% IPA so far :-) Any concerns about rubber? Some says that IPA has tendency to dry out rubber parts. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? Caig Labs, DeOxit is very good, IPA can be used safely also, and is very efficent, leaves no residue, so if you can drain off the part being cleaned, IPA is excellent. rgds Khan Per wrote: Hi, I would like to know what you'll suggest for cleaning potentiometers, sliders and contacts in my naks (and other electronic equipment for that matter) Some sources on the internet suggest a contact cleaner like DeOxit or Kontakt 60 (Europe) - others states that IPA applied with for instance a syringe is just as good - or better. I have a bottle of 99 percent isopropyl alcohol that I bought to clean tapeheads, rollers, etc. in my tapedecks. Some also suggest a lubricant to protect the potentiometers and contacts after you have cleaned them. 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Oct 27 14:59:14 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A good deal to be had? In-Reply-To: <171501c6f98a$6acc1300$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <20061027125914.38028.qmail@web80225.mail.yahoo.com> This one looks like a re-list. Better ask the seller whether it is the case and why the previous one did not go through. Dennis Orr wrote: Here is a 1000 ZXL for sale on ebay. It has recording problems apparently, but by the sounds of the posts here many of you would be able to get this running perfectly again. Might be a good chance to pick it up cheap! And no, it isn't my auction! HAHAHAHAHA http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-The-best-cassette_W0QQitemZ280042547250QQihZ018QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Fri Oct 27 15:15:52 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:15:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? References: <20061027113749.93499.qmail@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c6f9ca$12105c90$b207010a@hurtignok> Thanks. I just have to remember to detach the tapedeck first ;-) / Per ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? An old trick for rubber pinch rollers is to clean thoroughly with IPA and then put them in hot water for a while to rehydrate. I know it sounds silly, but does prevent rollers from developing early cracks. rgds Khan Per wrote: THANKS for your advice - I'll stick with my 99% IPA so far :-) Any concerns about rubber? Some says that IPA has tendency to dry out rubber parts. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Contact cleaner or IPA? Caig Labs, DeOxit is very good, IPA can be used safely also, and is very efficent, leaves no residue, so if you can drain off the part being cleaned, IPA is excellent. rgds Khan Per wrote: Hi, I would like to know what you'll suggest for cleaning potentiometers, sliders and contacts in my naks (and other electronic equipment for that matter) Some sources on the internet suggest a contact cleaner like DeOxit or Kontakt 60 (Europe) - others states that IPA applied with for instance a syringe is just as good - or better. I have a bottle of 99 percent isopropyl alcohol that I bought to clean tapeheads, rollers, etc. in my tapedecks. Some also suggest a lubricant to protect the potentiometers and contacts after you have cleaned them. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 16:59:40 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:59:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration controls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6bddc1110610270759i43d5cdf8w9378157de19d91a2@mail.gmail.com> IIRC a lot of decks back in the day automatically detected the tape type by the location of the top spine notches where the erase-protection tabs are located; they were located in slightly different places depending on type. -Tim On 10/27/06, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > "Tape type" as used on (at least the ones I'm familiar with) Naks > generally refers to the amount of bias used in recording (only > relevant for record). > "EQ" is actually the playback EQ which is going to be used to play > back the deck. > There is a recording EQ which doesn't [maybe usually, but I think > ever] have a user-settable thing. In most decks it is adjusted by a > technician; the > 1000zxl and 700zxl are exceptions that accomplish essentially the > same goal albeit with differing degrees of sophistication, and affect > the record EQ and bias amount (as well as azimuth and overall level). > This is so that when the tape is "played back" at either 70 or 120, it > "sounds right" when the recording EQ was set up so that the playback > EQ necessary to get flat response matches.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Fri Oct 27 17:20:55 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:20:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact cleaner or IPA? References: <200610261447.k9QElQ2d017031@zxe.naks.com> <003901c6f97c$3747c870$6401a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <017e01c6f9db$87ed0790$b207010a@hurtignok> Keith Dawson wrote: "...The person posting pasted a reply from a company spokesman who explained that regular Deoxit could damage carbon" THANKS to ALL of you for your input to my question whether IPA or a contact cleaner is the way to go cleanings pots and switches in our dear naks. Keiths post made me remember a well-reputed Danish company that only warrants one agent - Tuner 600 - for cleaning their goldplated highend attenuators and switches. http://www.dact.com/html/contact_cleaning.html The case might be different with ordinary switches but Tuner 600 might be a safe product for cleaning switches / pots in my naks, too? So I might go for a bottle of Tuner 600 (Caigs products are difficult to get here) and IPA to see what works best. It still leaves the question of lubrication, though. Maybe CaiLube (or Kontakt 61 from the same manufacturer as Tuner 600). http://www.crceurope.com/csp/web/functdisp.csp?lng=3&country=ALL&brand=KOC (you might need to "glue together" the above link to make it work) I'll return when I have something valid to report about Tuner 600. It it turns out well, it migh be of interest for forum members in Europe. Thanks again. Best Regards, Per From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 19:10:45 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A good deal to be had? In-Reply-To: <171501c6f98a$6acc1300$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <20061027171045.57122.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good luck I have not found many success stories with 1000 ZXL repair! Kannan Dennis Orr wrote: Here is a 1000 ZXL for sale on ebay. It has recording problems apparently, but by the sounds of the posts here many of you would be able to get this running perfectly again. Might be a good chance to pick it up cheap! And no, it isn't my auction! HAHAHAHAHA http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-The-best-cassette_W0QQitemZ280042547250QQihZ018QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 27 19:54:52 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:54:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes for 1 kHz track alignment tapes? In-Reply-To: References: <7C8D4C6E-EEDD-4019-ACB8-4EDDE1706F3F@alumni.caltech.edu> <7C8D4C6E-EEDD-4019-ACB8-4EDDE1706F3F@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061027125452.0083a650@earthlink.net> Kermit, It is easier than that. Record 20kHz (18k for EX) at -20vu and play back. The cassette with the least peak variation in level, (it helps to eyeball average both channels) is the one with the least skew. Excellent would be about 1 db of bounce. Typical is 2-3 dB. tom brucker At 01:06 PM 10/26/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hey Kimo, > >On Oct 26, 2006, at 12:57 AM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > >> Hey Kermit, >> This sounds great. I kind of know what you're asking in general but >> am not sure how I'd know >> the answer in specific to your question. How do I "know" it's good >> enough? > >That's the question I've been grappling with. I've been trying >different cassette shells and visually observing the tape travel, >then using MagView to look at the mag track under a microscope to see >how much "wiggle" exists, suggesting irregular vertical travel of the >tape past the head. > >> >> I mean, if I had to guess TDK MA-R in the metal shells are the >> best, but pretty pricey and hard to get, > >Yes, I think TDK MA-R tape shell is the best, but I'm hoping to find >a new shell that is as good or better -- without having to make a >shell from scratch. > > >Kermit Gray >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to make your music better! > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 27 19:54:52 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:54:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <4540EAD2.60700@cox.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061026105809.0082b670@earthlink.net> <82FDD0B7-48ED-4A97-8092-1C66A4BF2B86@alumni.caltech.edu> <453F4F1E.50602@cox.net> <3.0.3.32.20061026105809.0082b670@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061027125452.00839500@earthlink.net> I plan to use a dummy load. Thanks for pointing this out. tom brucker At 01:05 PM 10/26/06 -0400, you wrote: >I didn't consider disconnecting the erase head because that would have a >big effect on the bias oscillator. The erase head is its biggest load. >Please let us know what you find when you try this. > >Tim > >Hi Tech wrote: >> In theory yes, because you are searching for a minimum. I like the idea of >> pulling the erase head connector and recording w/ no input. I will test >> this asap. I need to find an old mono cassette to record across the guard >> band. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 05:51 PM 10/25/06 -0400, you wrote: >> >> It's good to get some empirical evidence. Thanks. In your opinion, would >> the amount of erasure provided by the record head provide enough of an >> audible null to use for head track alignment? >> >> Kermit Gray wrote: >> Hi Tim, >> >> On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:48 AM, Tim Barrett wrote: >> >> I believe you are right about erase heads being half track. All cassette >> erase heads I've had experience with were single channel half track. For >> the track alignment tape, where the full width of the tape is imprinted >> with a signal and then only the track area is erased, could a record head >> be used as an erase head? I don't know the electrical characteristics of >> the heads so don't know how feasible that would be - if the record head >> could operate at the power level required to fully erase a track. If one >> were to pull the erase head physically away from the tape and let just the >> bias signal on the record head pass over a recorded area, how much of the >> signal would be erased >> >> Could a record head be used as an erase head? Not successfully. Think about >> it: the erase head has a wider gap than the record head to maximize flux. I >> did try using a record head as an erase head. It did erase the tape but not >> as completely as a real erase head -- too much signal remained. I pushed >> the bias current as high as I could without damaging the record head and >> was not able to effect adequate erasure. I tried Nakamichi heads, Revox >> heads, Tecgnics heads, Nortronics, Sprague, Saki, and about eleven other >> record heads. Then I tried twelve playback heads as erase heads. Then I >> tried to adapt the multitrack erase head from Tascam, Korg, Teac and Fostex >> cassette-based "Portastudio" style multitrack recorder as well as a >> Tascam 124's erase head. This worked, but the spacing between the tracks >> was wrong. It was ever-so-close, but the makers of these cassette-based >> "Portastudios" use different track widths than did Nakamichi. So I ended up >> having a custom record head made. >> >> >> >> Tim B >> >> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> >> The more I think about this the more I think this must be possible. I don't >> know what the flux differences are between a record head on an open reel >> deck versus what compact cassette tape would be expecting, but I wonder if a >> reel adapter could be rigged for a compact cassette spool to be run across >> the heads of a r2r, a 1 kHz signal recorded across the tape's entire width >> using the r2r heads, and then the same tape passed through a known-good >> cassette deck and the erase heads used to erase the signal from where we >> don't want it. >> >> Is this a practical way to end up with what we'd be looking for? Thoughts? >> >> >> I assume you are asking about the weird track alignment tape. I thought of >> that, but then thought there >> might be an easier way in that I have an old Craig portable that is >> mono--hence >> should have effectively a half-track head. Not as good as full track, but I >> am afraid keeping >> even mediocre alignment of cassette tape going across an R2R path is going >> to be tricky ( I do haven an >> R2R but that's why I think that would be tough even though you're actually >> trying to make a full track >> tape anyway). >> >> However, this is what my question about the erase head being essentially >> quarter-track or half track was about. >> It looks like the erase head might be essentially half-track. An R2R erase >> head for a quarter track deck is >> quarter-track, but it has to be because the tracks aren't adjacent for R2R >> (they alternate for better channel >> separation, or at least that's what I thought the theory was). For various >> reasons tracks on cassette for >> a given side are adjacent, so the erase head really only has to be >> "half-track" and it might end up covering >> a lot of other sins by doing that, so my guess is that the Nak (and maybe >> all cassette deck) erase heads might >> actually be half-track, so they won't just erase the fine line down the >> middle, but the whole side of the tape.-kby >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/li >> stinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/li >> stinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/li >> stinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 20:20:37 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061027125452.00839500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20061027182037.96642.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Most of the Nak bias oscilator use buffered output to the record heads by using seperate winding on the indiactor. removal of Bias Oscillator does nothing as the oscillator does not include the erase coil in its circuit ( again buffered by the transformer winding). Infact reducing the load on the oscillator will improve the purity of waveform and beneficial . Kannan Hi Tech wrote: I plan to use a dummy load. Thanks for pointing this out. tom brucker At 01:05 PM 10/26/06 -0400, you wrote: >I didn't consider disconnecting the erase head because that would have a >big effect on the bias oscillator. The erase head is its biggest load. >Please let us know what you find when you try this. > >Tim > >Hi Tech wrote: >> In theory yes, because you are searching for a minimum. I like the idea of >> pulling the erase head connector and recording w/ no input. I will test >> this asap. I need to find an old mono cassette to record across the guard >> band. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 05:51 PM 10/25/06 -0400, you wrote: >> >> It's good to get some empirical evidence. Thanks. In your opinion, would >> the amount of erasure provided by the record head provide enough of an >> audible null to use for head track alignment? >> >> Kermit Gray wrote: >> Hi Tim, >> >> On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:48 AM, Tim Barrett wrote: >> >> I believe you are right about erase heads being half track. All cassette >> erase heads I've had experience with were single channel half track. For >> the track alignment tape, where the full width of the tape is imprinted >> with a signal and then only the track area is erased, could a record head >> be used as an erase head? I don't know the electrical characteristics of >> the heads so don't know how feasible that would be - if the record head >> could operate at the power level required to fully erase a track. If one >> were to pull the erase head physically away from the tape and let just the >> bias signal on the record head pass over a recorded area, how much of the >> signal would be erased >> >> Could a record head be used as an erase head? Not successfully. Think about >> it: the erase head has a wider gap than the record head to maximize flux. I >> did try using a record head as an erase head. It did erase the tape but not >> as completely as a real erase head -- too much signal remained. I pushed >> the bias current as high as I could without damaging the record head and >> was not able to effect adequate erasure. I tried Nakamichi heads, Revox >> heads, Tecgnics heads, Nortronics, Sprague, Saki, and about eleven other >> record heads. Then I tried twelve playback heads as erase heads. Then I >> tried to adapt the multitrack erase head from Tascam, Korg, Teac and Fostex >> cassette-based "Portastudio" style multitrack recorder as well as a >> Tascam 124's erase head. This worked, but the spacing between the tracks >> was wrong. It was ever-so-close, but the makers of these cassette-based >> "Portastudios" use different track widths than did Nakamichi. So I ended up >> having a custom record head made. >> >> >> >> Tim B >> >> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> >> The more I think about this the more I think this must be possible. I don't >> know what the flux differences are between a record head on an open reel >> deck versus what compact cassette tape would be expecting, but I wonder if a >> reel adapter could be rigged for a compact cassette spool to be run across >> the heads of a r2r, a 1 kHz signal recorded across the tape's entire width >> using the r2r heads, and then the same tape passed through a known-good >> cassette deck and the erase heads used to erase the signal from where we >> don't want it. >> >> Is this a practical way to end up with what we'd be looking for? Thoughts? >> >> >> I assume you are asking about the weird track alignment tape. I thought of >> that, but then thought there >> might be an easier way in that I have an old Craig portable that is >> mono--hence >> should have effectively a half-track head. Not as good as full track, but I >> am afraid keeping >> even mediocre alignment of cassette tape going across an R2R path is going >> to be tricky ( I do haven an >> R2R but that's why I think that would be tough even though you're actually >> trying to make a full track >> tape anyway). >> >> However, this is what my question about the erase head being essentially >> quarter-track or half track was about. >> It looks like the erase head might be essentially half-track. An R2R erase >> head for a quarter track deck is >> quarter-track, but it has to be because the tracks aren't adjacent for R2R >> (they alternate for better channel >> separation, or at least that's what I thought the theory was). For various >> reasons tracks on cassette for >> a given side are adjacent, so the erase head really only has to be >> "half-track" and it might end up covering >> a lot of other sins by doing that, so my guess is that the Nak (and maybe >> all cassette deck) erase heads might >> actually be half-track, so they won't just erase the fine line down the >> middle, but the whole side of the tape.-kby >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/li >> stinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/li >> stinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/li >> stinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Oct 27 20:37:31 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:37:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes for 1 kHz track alignment tapes? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061027125452.0083a650@earthlink.net> References: <7C8D4C6E-EEDD-4019-ACB8-4EDDE1706F3F@alumni.caltech.edu> <7C8D4C6E-EEDD-4019-ACB8-4EDDE1706F3F@alumni.caltech.edu> <3.0.3.32.20061027125452.0083a650@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7D15A2C8-585A-4807-B608-7FAC7CFB226F@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Tom, On Oct 27, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Hi Tech wrote: > Kermit, > It is easier than that. Record 20kHz (18k for EX) at -20vu and > play back. > The cassette with the least peak variation in level, (it helps to > eyeball > average both channels) is the one with the least skew. Excellent > would be > about 1 db of bounce. Typical is 2-3 dB. Brilliant! That helps me immensely! My problem solved! Thank you! See, this is why I enjot this list so much -- all the cool tech tips! > > tom brucker > > At 01:06 PM 10/26/06 -0500, you wrote: >> Hey Kimo, >> >> On Oct 26, 2006, at 12:57 AM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> >>> Hey Kermit, >>> This sounds great. I kind of know what you're asking in general but >>> am not sure how I'd know >>> the answer in specific to your question. How do I "know" it's good >>> enough? >> >> That's the question I've been grappling with. I've been trying >> different cassette shells and visually observing the tape travel, >> then using MagView to look at the mag track under a microscope to see >> how much "wiggle" exists, suggesting irregular vertical travel of the >> tape past the head. >> >>> >>> I mean, if I had to guess TDK MA-R in the metal shells are the >>> best, but pretty pricey and hard to get, >> >> Yes, I think TDK MA-R tape shell is the best, but I'm hoping to find >> a new shell that is as good or better -- without having to make a >> shell from scratch. >> >> >> Kermit Gray >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to make your music better! >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to make your music better! From ckdawson at cableone.net Fri Oct 27 22:25:13 2006 From: ckdawson at cableone.net (ckdawson at cableone.net) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:25:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact cleaner or IPA Message-ID: <1161978535_656659@S2.cableone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Oct 28 06:01:01 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:01:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in calibration tapes? Message-ID: <7E5F9E33-54C0-43FA-9107-FD756D96FC64@alumni.caltech.edu> > >I didn't consider disconnecting the erase head because that would > have a > >big effect on the bias oscillator. The erase head is its biggest > load. > >Please let us know what you find when you try this. I admit I hadn't thought of this, although its relevance depends on what deck is used (some have independent bias and erase oscillators, although they're not generally the ones you'd want to cannibalize/damage permanently). Anyway, good point.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckdawson at cableone.net Sat Oct 28 20:32:59 2006 From: ckdawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:32:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact Cleaner Warning References: <200610281000.k9SA0ouX010675@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001c01c6fabf$7e974c20$6401a8c0@dell> Hi All, I've been trying to post a sort of clarification to my earlier email regarding Caig Deoxit and posible damage to pot's and other carbon-track type devices. I went out and found the article I was looking for in Caig's knowledge base. Here's the URL, I tried to post it yesterday as a link but my message was scrubed so this time I'll just include it as text. You'll need to add the http, etc.. store.caig.com/s.nl/ctype.KB/it.I/id.1828/KB.218/.f?sc=12&category=21 I wanted to get this out because it clarifies things I had left out of the earlier post. It isn't Deoxit itself that could damage carbon, it's the solvent in a particular packaging of the product (see paragraph 2) that they admit may possibly be dangerous to "Vintage" components - RESPONSE: "Normal" carbon surfaces will not be adversely affected by the D5 spray, however, you are working with vintage equipment, and it's highly probable that the already fragile or mechanically weak pots will sustain damage after exposure to solvent, causing the removal of carbon. I certainly don't want to come across as Dis-ing Caig's products, I use them myself and and consider them to be about the best friend an old bit of electronic gear may ever have had. I just wanted to alert my friends here on Naktalk to what I had seen because most if not all of the stuff we enjoy can be considered "Vintage" and therefore this warning is applicable to us. Please view the page for yourselves and see what you think. Keith From bernardsda at hotmail.com Sat Oct 28 20:37:51 2006 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:37:51 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration controls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 28 23:01:07 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Calibration controls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061028210107.73442.qmail@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> When you did the recording the bias was wrong (too little). During playback the EQ just is an equalization adjustment. Bob Bernard White wrote: I see (I think!). I once made a recording (on my DR10) with a metal tape but accidentally had the tape type set to Type I. The result was AWFUL - I thought my deck had broken down, until I noticed the setting and re-recorded it. Yet, if you play back a metal tape and switch between Tpye IV and Type I, the only obvious difference is an increase or decrease in the treble; the tape is certainly listenable, unlike when I made the recording error. What's happening here? (Thanks to Bala and Kimo for their previous comments.) Bernard --------------------------------- From: "Kimo B. Yap" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Calibration controls Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:41:27 -0700 >"Tape type" as used on (at least the ones I'm familiar with) Naks >generally refers to the amount of bias used in recording (only >relevant for record). >"EQ" is actually the playback EQ which is going to be used to play >back the deck. >There is a recording EQ which doesn't [maybe usually, but I think >ever] have a user-settable thing. In most decks it is adjusted by a >technician; the >1000zxl and 700zxl are exceptions that accomplish essentially the >same goal albeit with differing degrees of sophistication, and >affect >the record EQ and bias amount (as well as azimuth and overall >level). This is so that when the tape is "played back" at either 70 >or 120, it >"sounds right" when the recording EQ was set up so that the playback > EQ necessary to get flat response matches.-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Oct 29 00:32:30 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:32:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration controls Message-ID: <91CBE816-0653-4DAC-A32A-A571066EDEF6@alumni.caltech.edu> > Yet, if you play back a metal tape and switch between Tpye IV and > Type I, the only obvious difference is an increase or decrease in > the treble; the tape is certainly listenable, unlike when I made > the recording error. What's happening here? Under the conditions I described, this part shouldn't happen; changing tape type shouldn't affect playback at all. However, there are two possibilities, but it depends on the machine you're playing on. First, there's the auto-set by notches in the cassette that was previously mentioned, although these notches are not universal in cassettes. However, some decks only have a single switch which could be labelled anything (like "tape type:" that adjusts both bias (record only) AND playback EQ (both record and playback). Older at least Naks switch these independently as, although the tapes are sort of designed for Type 1 is 120us and everything else is 70us, Nak says you may want to violate this under certain circumstances (I can't think of any reasonably "normal" circumstances that you want to use the wrong bias amount). The change between 120 and 70us will affect the amount of treble, in broad terms.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 29 03:51:43 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A good deal to be had? In-Reply-To: <20061027171045.57122.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061029025143.29900.qmail@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, from my first initial experiences, they would be coming in fast and thick! I assure you Kannan..haha.. How are you? Bala kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Good luck I have not found many success stories with 1000 ZXL repair! Kannan Dennis Orr wrote: Here is a 1000 ZXL for sale on ebay. It has recording problems apparently, but by the sounds of the posts here many of you would be able to get this running perfectly again. Might be a good chance to pick it up cheap! And no, it isn't my auction! HAHAHAHAHA http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-The-best-cassette_W0QQitemZ280042547250QQihZ018QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! 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URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Oct 29 06:28:57 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:58:57 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact Cleaner Warning Message-ID: Hi Personally i think contact cleaners wouldnt really do much good for pots ... the wiper surfaces are usually clean due to movement & Friction and the carbon is not going to get affected by the DeoxIT (other than dissolve or break up due to the solvent) In any case FaderLube or some other cleaner is more effective ... even a shot of compressed air and then a shot of FaderLube or some kind of mild grease would work Best Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Oct 29 08:37:38 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:37:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact Cleaner Warning Message-ID: Hello Keith, My "WAY"...is always this! Before that I will open the deck cover, first I move ALL the switches/knobs forward & back at least 20 times of course unit "Powered OFF", & only after such "Gentle" treatment I dismantle both covers upper & bottom ones, look extremely slowly & carefully if "Exist" any hole on the potentiometer/switches...etc...! before I commence to spray all around any chemical product. As here in Israel I can't obtain "Craig" products the British one named "Servisol"...do the job well when it's "IMPERATIVE"!!!. Mt Heart fully tip...! Peace, ALEX! > From: ckdawson at cableone.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:32:59 -0700> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact Cleaner Warning> > Hi All,> > I've been trying to post a sort of clarification to my earlier email > regarding Caig Deoxit and posible damage to pot's and other carbon-track > type devices. I went out and found the article I was looking for in Caig's > knowledge base.> Here's the URL, I tried to post it yesterday as a link but my message > was scrubed so this time I'll just include it as text. You'll need to add > the http, etc..> > store.caig.com/s.nl/ctype.KB/it.I/id.1828/KB.218/.f?sc=12&category=21> > > I wanted to get this out because it clarifies things I had left out of > the earlier post. It isn't Deoxit itself that could damage carbon, it's the > solvent in a particular packaging of the product (see paragraph 2) that they > admit may possibly be dangerous to "Vintage" components -> > > > RESPONSE:> "Normal" carbon surfaces will not be adversely affected by the D5 spray, > however, you are working with vintage equipment, and it's highly probable > that the already fragile or mechanically weak pots will sustain damage after > exposure to solvent, causing the removal of carbon.> > I certainly don't want to come across as Dis-ing Caig's products, I use > them myself and and consider them to be about the best friend an old bit of > electronic gear may ever have had. I just wanted to alert my friends here on > Naktalk to what I had seen because most if not all of the stuff we enjoy can > be considered "Vintage" and therefore this warning is applicable to us. > Please view the page for yourselves and see what you think.> > > > Keith> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. Try it. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 29 12:47:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:47:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact Cleaner Warning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061029114747.74413.qmail@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well that is ok, until you factor in the airborne oils and chemicals that eventually mix with the dirt and dust. What you would need is a strong blast of air (canned or a small compressor) with some rotation, to loosen the dirt and dust trapped on the sides of the carbon track, between the contact and track and loosen the dirt stuck to either places. Then comes the cleaner such as DeOxit or ProGold which will act to improve conductivity, and slow the effects of oxidation. Much has been said about the practice of rotating the knobs back and forth until it comes clean. But, while it works, it does not help preserve the pots and does not remove the gunk accumalated within the pot. The best way is to blow it all out, and give it a treatment. Bala Ganesh s b wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hi Personally i think contact cleaners wouldnt really do much good for pots ... the wiper surfaces are usually clean due to movement & Friction and the carbon is not going to get affected by the DeoxIT (other than dissolve or break up due to the solvent) In any case FaderLube or some other cleaner is more effective ... even a shot of compressed air and then a shot of FaderLube or some kind of mild grease would work Best Soumi --------------------------------- Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! Try it now!========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 29 16:28:22 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:28:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact Cleaner Warning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4544C896.5020805@rcn.com> Well, I guess each of us has had different experiences. I keep two spray cans on hand: contact cleaner and contact cleaner with lubricant. Currently, I buy both from All Electronics and they cost 6 0r 7 bucks each. In the past, I have used Servisol, GC Electronics and others. I never got the expensive 'miracle' stuff - Caig, etc. When the carbon track in a pot has been eaten away (such as if it has been subjected to DC current) or a switch contact is badly corroded, no amount of cleaning will fix it, it has to be replaced. In all other cases, cleaning solves the problem. I get a few drops on the track, then work the control back and forth a few times, followed by a another shot, with the lubricant. This has worked for me in hundreds and hundreds of times, over more years than I care to remember. -- Ron s b wrote: > Hi > Personally i think contact cleaners wouldnt really do much good for pots > ... the wiper surfaces are usually clean due to movement & Friction and > the carbon is not going to get affected by the DeoxIT (other than > dissolve or break up due to the solvent) > In any case FaderLube or some other cleaner is more effective ... even a > shot of compressed air and then a shot of FaderLube or some kind of mild > grease would work > > Best > Soumi > From btorre at ix.netcom.com Sun Oct 29 17:04:00 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:04:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact Cleaner Warning In-Reply-To: <4544C896.5020805@rcn.com> References: <4544C896.5020805@rcn.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061029105438.031a8ad0@ix.netcom.com> At 10:28 AM 10/29/06, you wrote: >In the past, I have used Servisol, GC Electronics and others. I always liked the old Channel Master "Color TV tuner cleaner" It had a good silicone lube in it that wouldn't let pot shafts freeze up. Caig was very lacking in that regard, even with their lubricant/preservative. >I never got the expensive 'miracle' stuff - Caig, etc. Caig works well enough, but only in specific circumstances. The cleaner really is meant for mildly oxidized contacts, and the lubricant for keeping clean contacts from oxidizing. >When the carbon track in a pot has been eaten away (such as if it >has been subjected to DC current) or a switch contact is badly >corroded, no amount of cleaning will fix it, it has to be replaced. Same experience here. There's no free lunch. From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Oct 30 00:18:35 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:18:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact Cleaner Warning In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061029105438.031a8ad0@ix.netcom.com> References: <4544C896.5020805@rcn.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061029105438.031a8ad0@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:04:00 -0500, Ben Torre wrote: >Same experience here. There's no free lunch. It is all a compromise: if you want to keep the current part in favor of swapping it with a parts that is - sealed - better quality, made to last longer - fits in with the retro stuff you will spend a lot of the time repairing trying to locate a suitable parts. if not all the time. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Oct 30 00:18:45 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:18:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact Cleaner Warning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1zRFRZGz4UnMFh00l3stQ2nmLJml@4ax.com> On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:37:38 +0000, Alex Cozac wrote: >Hello Keith, > >My "WAY"...is always this! > >Before that I will open the deck cover, first I move ALL the switches/knobs forward & back at least 20 times of course unit "Powered OFF", & only after such "Gentle" treatment I dismantle both covers upper & bottom ones, look extremely slowly & carefully if "Exist" any hole on the potentiometer/switches...etc...! before I commence to spray all around any chemical product. As here in Israel I can't obtain "Craig" products the British one named "Servisol"...do the job well when it's "IMPERATIVE"!!!. I am in Denmark and I buy Servisol from http://www.studiospares.com/ .... in England ;) In my experience you can somtimes get away with unsoldering the switch, unscrewsing it from the front plate, taking it apart completely, and clean every little part inside. Then put it back together again, using a plastic cable strap to keep th switch housing together, and solder small leads from the pcb to the pins when you mount the switch upside down inth front plate. Of course if the pcb is only held up by the switches and pots to the front plate you can only perform this on a low number of the switches before the pcb is essentially loose inside the chassis. I had a JVC on the bench for bad switches, I could not get any other that worked well, so I had to desolder them all, and one of the fell apart and the closing metal bent and broke off, so I neede to use cable straps to keep it closed. I was able to force the switch enclosure so tight that the pin and legs of the outer enclosure fell into the right holes in the pcb, but this means that the pcb will suffer more heat damage next time the switch needs to be cleaned, so next time the switch will probably need 2 or more new plastic cable straps to keep together nad I will have to mount it upside down and run leads from pins to the pcb and also remember to keep a ground lead between the outer housing and that point on the pcb where it would normally be secured. I wish I could Caig's easy here so I am can make a comparison. I can get Ronsonol. And it is really a workhorse of a cleaning agent. -Mikkel From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Oct 30 02:19:23 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:19:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact Cleaner Warning Message-ID: <63D5F6B6-70F9-4352-B2B6-9D21C93CD23A@alumni.caltech.edu> > you will spend a lot of the time repairing trying to locate a > suitable parts. if not > all the time. Right. Anyone got a 4-gang pot with the front 2 gangs 250k V taper rear 2 gangs 20k B taper (or something like that)? Or some of the really complicated rotary selector switches or hefty power switches on some receivers (the pot above is the Marantz 2500/2600/2385 volume pot). Oh, and the all have to fit right, too,. I believe the Audiokarma description of things like this is to say they are made of "unobtainium." So, you does whats ya can. I've had some luck if the worn track isn't too bad opening up the pot and gently bending the contacts, but it's really a last resort.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Mon Oct 30 10:32:49 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:02:49 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get ALPS pots ? Message-ID: Hi all Im interested in Sliding pots with center detents and LEDs on the handles from ALPS ... Does anybody know where i can find them ? Best Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From citizen_sane at hotmail.com Mon Oct 30 14:55:13 2006 From: citizen_sane at hotmail.com (joe schmo) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:55:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Manual(s) Message-ID: I recently acquired a CR-2A at a charity thrift store for $5.99 that seems to work, but no manuals came with it. Does anyone have an owner's and/or service manual for this model in electronic form? Thanks a lot, -Dave _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Oct 30 15:20:56 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:20:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] S&R Audio DM-10 Message-ID: <001b01c6fc2e$a32601b0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, Any experiences - good or bad - with the S&R Audio (Turntable Toys) version of the Nakamichi DM-10 demagnetizer - www.ebay.com item# 170041914226 Best Regards Per From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Oct 30 15:32:25 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:32:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Manual(s) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061030143225.8034.qmail@web50005.mail.yahoo.com> you can go herehttp://www.analogstereo.com/nakamichi/nakamichi_cr1_cr2_cr7a_cr5a_owners_manual.htm --- joe schmo wrote: > I recently acquired a CR-2A at a charity thrift > store for $5.99 that seems > to work, but no manuals came with it. Does anyone > have an owner's and/or > service manual for this model in electronic form? > > Thanks a lot, > > -Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and > business Web site from > Microsoft Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) From bruce4inkman at yahoo.com Mon Oct 30 16:52:00 2006 From: bruce4inkman at yahoo.com (bruce inkman) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:52:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR3A belt changing details needed Message-ID: <20061030155201.76641.qmail@web57711.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have a CR3a, the service manual, a new belt but very limited tech experience. Have removed top and bottom covers, looseened transport mechanism screws, per manual, to free the transport, but don't see how to slip the old belt off and new one on. Service manual doesn't offer any hints about needing to take more of the transport apart. Could someone offer specifics? Thanks --------------------------------- We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 30 17:54:08 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:54:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Contact Cleaner Warning In-Reply-To: <20061029114747.74413.qmail@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061030105408.007d4c50@earthlink.net> I have different experiences, having used Cramolin products now for 15 years, that I'd like to share. D5 DeOxit spray contains 5% cramolin (the original trade name of this stuff). It has never damaged a control, or failed to improve contact and reduce noise, nor has it damaged plastic. In cases where 100% performance is not restored, I remove the control or switch, open the case, and treat with 100% cramolin solution. Typically what I observe is oxidized silver returns to it's shiny state, much like the "dip-it" brand of silver polish seems to act. No air spray or alcohol can remove these oxides. Self cleaning switches can be resored with frequent use, but I find DeOxit a longer lasting solution. The single best test of DeOxit are the long record play switches in the 500 and 600. Conventional solvent based cleaners are effective for less than 30 days. These switches are copper and silver, and only by removing the oxides can they be restored. tom brucker At 03:47 AM 10/29/06 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Well that is ok, until you factor in the airborne oils and chemicals that eventually mix with the dirt and dust. What you would need is a strong blast of air (canned or a small compressor) with some rotation, to loosen the dirt and dust trapped on the sides of the carbon track, between the contact and track and loosen the dirt stuck to either places. Then comes the cleaner such as DeOxit or ProGold which will act to improve conductivity, and slow the effects of oxidation. Much has been said about the practice of rotating the knobs back and forth until it comes clean. But, while it works, it does not help preserve the pots and does not remove the gunk accumalated within the pot. The best way is to blow it all out, and give it a treatment. Bala Ganesh s b < wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hi Personally i think contact cleaners wouldnt really do much good for pots ... the wiper surfaces are usually clean due to movement & Friction and the carbon is not going to get affected by the DeoxIT (other than dissolve or break up due to the solvent) In any case FaderLube or some other cleaner is more effective ... even a shot of compressed air and then a shot of FaderLube or some kind of mild grease would work Best Soumi ---------- Search from any Web page with powerful protection. 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Oct 30 22:28:55 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:28:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR3A belt changing details needed In-Reply-To: <20061030155201.76641.qmail@web57711.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061030212855.75023.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can remove the back plate over the two capstan flywheels to remove the belt ( without cutting) and placing the new belt in place. You have remove the complete transport from the cabinet by removing two screw at the bottom and one one top. _ ofcourse you have to remove the front face Cover to access all these screws. try to get a service manual and you can see the way to do these. kannan bruce inkman wrote: I have a CR3a, the service manual, a new belt but very limited tech experience. Have removed top and bottom covers, looseened transport mechanism screws, per manual, to free the transport, but don't see how to slip the old belt off and new one on. Service manual doesn't offer any hints about needing to take more of the transport apart. Could someone offer specifics? Thanks --------------------------------- We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Buying from Italy was a little concern but it was delivered as promised. IIRC, it was about $23. Bruce Miles wrote: Hi Bruce, It looks like Kannan has the answer you needed. I have a similar problem but I don't have a replacement belt. Where did you get the CR-3A belt? Perhaps others will suggest a source too. Thanks and Good Luck, Miles ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Oct 31 02:21:03 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:21:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A belt changing details needed In-Reply-To: <20061031004728.67904.qmail@web57704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061031012103.47627.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi first of all why do you want to change the current belt on your CR 3( Capstan belt )? Second buying from source such as this can be a suspect as original Nakamichi belt is preferable. Try first Classic Nakamichi at UK - unless you have a serious speed issues or flutter , do not change the Original belt kannan bruce inkman wrote: Hi Miles, I bought the belt from an ebay auction a few months ago. It had only a BIN option and came from Italy. Included a small belt as well, but no instructions. Buying from Italy was a little concern but it was delivered as promised. IIRC, it was about $23. Bruce Miles wrote: Hi Bruce, It looks like Kannan has the answer you needed. I have a similar problem but I don't have a replacement belt. Where did you get the CR-3A belt? Perhaps others will suggest a source too. Thanks and Good Luck, Miles ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! 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The original belt is very loose (apparently stretched) and consequently the transport does not function properly. I'll try Classic Nakamichi. Miles ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3A belt changing details needed Hi first of all why do you want to change the current belt on your CR 3( Capstan belt )? Second buying from source such as this can be a suspect as original Nakamichi belt is preferable. Try first Classic Nakamichi at UK - unless you have a serious speed issues or flutter , do not change the Original belt kannan bruce inkman wrote: Hi Miles, I bought the belt from an ebay auction a few months ago. It had only a BIN option and came from Italy. Included a small belt as well, but no instructions. Buying from Italy was a little concern but it was delivered as promised. IIRC, it was about $23. 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First, you can get away without taking the transport out. Access to the screws holding the transport back plate in place is far more difficult, but still doable. Second, try to avoid touching the new belt (I put on vinyl gloves) while installing it. Third, while the old belt is out and before installing the new one, it's a good idea to thoroughly clean the flywheel surfaces. Fourth, This is an opportunity to lubricate the capstan bearings (then clean the capstans). -- Ron kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > You can remove the back plate over the two capstan flywheels to remove > the belt ( without cutting) and placing the new belt in place. You have > remove the complete transport from the cabinet by removing two screw at > the bottom and one one top. _ ofcourse you have to remove the front face > Cover to access all these screws. try to get a service manual and you > can see the way to do these. > kannan > > */bruce inkman /* wrote: > > I have a CR3a, the service manual, a new belt but very limited tech > experience. Have removed top and bottom covers, looseened transport > mechanism screws, per manual, to free the transport, but don't see > how to slip the old belt off and new one on. Service manual doesn't > offer any hints about needing to take more of the transport apart. > Could someone offer specifics? > Thanks > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to > Yahoo! Groups. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bruce4inkman at yahoo.com Tue Oct 31 21:45:39 2006 From: bruce4inkman at yahoo.com (bruce inkman) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:45:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A belt changing details needed In-Reply-To: <20061031012103.47627.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061031204539.51012.qmail@web57704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kannan - Thanks for the earlier info. The reason I got a new capstan belt was that the tape was stopping after a very short period and while it was playing there were significant speed variations. When I removed the cover the belt seemed extremely loose (possibly as much as 1/4" droop between the capstan wheels. I'm not familiar with the interior appearance of Nakamichi but when I have looked at other cassette deck transports it did not appear like this. FWIW, I picked this deck up, and live, in Tucson where it's very hot and dry. I have partially removed the original belt but it's not off yet since I haven't yet tried to remove the back plate. Would welcome any additional comments. Bruce kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi first of all why do you want to change the current belt on your CR 3( Capstan belt )? Second buying from source such as this can be a suspect as original Nakamichi belt is preferable. Try first Classic Nakamichi at UK - unless you have a serious speed issues or flutter , do not change the Original belt kannan bruce inkman wrote: Hi Miles, I bought the belt from an ebay auction a few months ago. It had only a BIN option and came from Italy. Included a small belt as well, but no instructions. Buying from Italy was a little concern but it was delivered as promised. IIRC, it was about $23. Bruce Miles wrote: Hi Bruce, It looks like Kannan has the answer you needed. I have a similar problem but I don't have a replacement belt. Where did you get the CR-3A belt? Perhaps others will suggest a source too. Thanks and Good Luck, Miles ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! 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Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Oct 31 23:29:08 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:29:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A belt changing details needed In-Reply-To: <20061031204539.51012.qmail@web57704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061031222908.68632.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Did you get replacement belt yet or yet to get one? If it is loose - you have to change it, positively for this deck to work. Let me know more. Actually CR1,2,3, 4 all are easy to work on as the space behind the deck is empty. However it is easy to remove the transport - even without removing elctrical cable connections. Remove top, bottom covers. remove 3 screws( holding the Face plate) on top as well as another set at the bottom. Once you remove this part , you can see two screws ( or only one) on top holding the transport and two at the bottom. Make sure you keep them safely as they are not easy to get! All the three are required to put back the transport. Once you remove carefully pull out the transport from inside the cabinet. Please observe that you do not damage some transistors and other fragile componenets on the board where the bottom of the transport may interfere. You can also remove the connector after noting which connectors go where - wrong insertion can result in damage to electronics. Once the transport is out, remoce the three ( or four small screws holding the two capstan flywheels - where you have the belt connecting the motor. It is very easy to replace. good luck and if you need some clarification let me know, I can send you some more details. kannan bruce inkman wrote: Kannan - Thanks for the earlier info. The reason I got a new capstan belt was that the tape was stopping after a very short period and while it was playing there were significant speed variations. When I removed the cover the belt seemed extremely loose (possibly as much as 1/4" droop between the capstan wheels. I'm not familiar with the interior appearance of Nakamichi but when I have looked at other cassette deck transports it did not appear like this. FWIW, I picked this deck up, and live, in Tucson where it's very hot and dry. I have partially removed the original belt but it's not off yet since I haven't yet tried to remove the back plate. Would welcome any additional comments. Bruce kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi first of all why do you want to change the current belt on your CR 3( Capstan belt )? Second buying from source such as this can be a suspect as original Nakamichi belt is preferable. Try first Classic Nakamichi at UK - unless you have a serious speed issues or flutter , do not change the Original belt kannan bruce inkman wrote: Hi Miles, I bought the belt from an ebay auction a few months ago. It had only a BIN option and came from Italy. Included a small belt as well, but no instructions. Buying from Italy was a little concern but it was delivered as promised. IIRC, it was about $23. Bruce Miles wrote: Hi Bruce, It looks like Kannan has the answer you needed. I have a similar problem but I don't have a replacement belt. Where did you get the CR-3A belt? Perhaps others will suggest a source too. 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Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 2 16:52:46 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:52:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Beauty Tips :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44F99ABE.40003@rcn.com> I use a black felt-tipped marker (pen). Apply with a light hand -- too little looks better than too much. I got this tip from Mike Kelly, the speaker designer at Aerial Acoustics. Works well on satin finish speakers, but also on Nakamichi face plates. -- Ron noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi all > Just wondering what to do to cover the small nicks n dings on a face > plate .... how does one hide the aluminium showing from under the black > anodised paint ? > Is there anything that hides scratches etc too ?? on metal n plastic ? > > Thanks and Regards > Soumi > From lenaw at flash.net Sat Sep 2 17:01:42 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:01:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE In-Reply-To: <44F99ABE.40003@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000401c6cea0$b430bce0$5ac3db40@CPQ16585250299> Have a Nak 500 to donate. Works last time when powers up. $10 shipping anywhere within U.S. If interested drop me a line off the list. Otherwise I will plan to just junk it. Run out of space finally. Thanks. Mike From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Sep 2 17:02:37 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:02:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Beauty Tips :) In-Reply-To: <44F99ABE.40003@rcn.com> References: <44F99ABE.40003@rcn.com> Message-ID: <44F99D0D.2030205@yahoo.ca> It works well on Naks since they have the same red / violet reflections than markers. If it's true black anodized aluminum(Never saw some), you're going to see the marker. Ron a écrit : > > I use a black felt-tipped marker (pen). Apply with a > light hand -- too little looks better than too much. > I got this tip from Mike Kelly, the speaker designer > at Aerial Acoustics. Works well on satin finish > speakers, but also on Nakamichi face plates. > > -- Ron > > > noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >> Hi all >> Just wondering what to do to cover the small nicks n dings on a face >> plate .... how does one hide the aluminium showing from under the >> black anodised paint ? >> Is there anything that hides scratches etc too ?? on metal n plastic ? >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Soumi >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 17:08:49 2006 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:08:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE In-Reply-To: <000401c6cea0$b430bce0$5ac3db40@CPQ16585250299> References: <44F99ABE.40003@rcn.com> <000401c6cea0$b430bce0$5ac3db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: <6bddc1110609020808j6a1a6be3jc79a7e2776dfc934@mail.gmail.com> I'd love one of those! On 9/2/06, lenaw wrote: > > > > Have a Nak 500 to donate. Works last time when powers up. $10 shipping > anywhere within U.S. If interested drop me a line off the list. Otherwise > I > will plan to just junk it. Run out of space finally. Thanks. > > > Mike > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 2 17:42:20 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:42:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Beauty Tips :) In-Reply-To: <44F99D0D.2030205@yahoo.ca> References: <44F99ABE.40003@rcn.com> <44F99D0D.2030205@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <44F9A65C.1040900@rcn.com> Actually, I have used it on quite a few other black front panels. Worked on all -- on some, better than others. Still, the result was always an improvement. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > It works well on Naks since they have the same red / violet reflections > than markers. If it's true black anodized aluminum(Never saw some), > you're going to see the marker. > > Ron a écrit : >> >> I use a black felt-tipped marker (pen). Apply with a >> light hand -- too little looks better than too much. >> I got this tip from Mike Kelly, the speaker designer >> at Aerial Acoustics. Works well on satin finish >> speakers, but also on Nakamichi face plates. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >>> Hi all >>> Just wondering what to do to cover the small nicks n dings on a face >>> plate .... how does one hide the aluminium showing from under the >>> black anodised paint ? >>> Is there anything that hides scratches etc too ?? on metal n plastic ? >>> >>> Thanks and Regards >>> Soumi > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 2 18:26:01 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 17:26:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE In-Reply-To: <000401c6cea0$b430bce0$5ac3db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: Isn't there a Law against junking working Nak's? What would be the punishment? Death by MP3 or iPOD musac thru a pair of el cheapo in-ear headphones??? Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of lenaw Sent: 02 September 2006 16:02 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE Have a Nak 500 to donate. Works last time when powers up. $10 shipping anywhere within U.S. If interested drop me a line off the list. Otherwise I will plan to just junk it. Run out of space finally. Thanks. Mike From lenaw at flash.net Sat Sep 2 19:28:42 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:28:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c6ceb5$3d8de670$80c4db40@CPQ16585250299> Everybody: My 500 found a home, thanks for all the interest. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:26 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE Isn't there a Law against junking working Nak's? What would be the punishment? Death by MP3 or iPOD musac thru a pair of el cheapo in-ear headphones??? Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of lenaw Sent: 02 September 2006 16:02 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE Have a Nak 500 to donate. Works last time when powers up. $10 shipping anywhere within U.S. If interested drop me a line off the list. Otherwise I will plan to just junk it. Run out of space finally. Thanks. Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Sep 2 19:41:05 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:41:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Beauty Tips :) In-Reply-To: References: <200609011000.k81A04VQ023015@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060902124105.00839980@earthlink.net> We use black sharpies (permanent magic markers) tom brucker At 02:00 PM 9/2/06 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all >Just wondering what to do to cover the small nicks n dings on a face plate >.... how does one hide the aluminium showing from under the black anodised >paint ? >Is there anything that hides scratches etc too ?? on metal n plastic ? > >Thanks and Regards >Soumi > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tried the new MSN Messenger? It�s cool! Download now. >http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From luis at peromarta.org Sat Sep 2 22:47:57 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:47:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Level (VU) or peak metering? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060831135351.03d55c20@ix.netcom.com> References: <44F70C5E.8000100@peromarta.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20060831135351.03d55c20@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <44F9EDFD.5010105@peromarta.org> Certainly a very interesting reading. Thanks for the info. LP. Ben Torre escribió: > At 12:20 PM 8/31/06, you wrote: >> I know there's quite some specifications regarding ballistics, rise >> and decay times for VU metering > > Just in case the gang here is interested... > > http://www.richardhess.net/ampex/Historical%20VU%20Meter%20Docs/ > > The documents contained therein are where it all started, and might > answer a few questions about metering. > > Hope this helps, > Ben > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Sep 3 08:18:00 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 06:18:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) In-Reply-To: <200609011000.k81A04VQ023015@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all Thanks for the tips ... i did try with permanent black marker pens ... and it does a decent job. Also, what lubricant do you recommend for transport etc ? Cailube from caig labs ? Let me know Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Tried the new MSN Messenger? It�s cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Sep 3 11:30:43 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 02:30:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) Message-ID: <934A443E-2EE4-433F-99ED-A75006A6DD83@alumni.caltech.edu> > Also, what lubricant do you recommend for transport etc ? Cailube > from caig > labs ? I probably wouldn't use Cailube for long-term use. It's designed for moving pot contacts and in theory has to compromise in some conductivity properties which, while not harmful, are not necessary and something more just designed with more optimal lubricity and longevity characteristcs only would probably be more appropriate (and less expensive, although we're not talking about a lot).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Sun Sep 3 12:21:39 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:21:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips In-Reply-To: <200609031001.k83A13um005593@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I definitely agree with Ron's marker pen trick. I used it on al old Arcam Alpha 3 amplifier I bought (the knobs on those wear badly after a few years) and on an old Marantz DR700 CD recorder that had seen some careless treatment. Made them both look much better... Chris -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: 03 September 2006 11:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 2 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Beauty Tips :) (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) 2. Re: Beauty Tips :) (Ron) 3. NAK 500 to DONATE (lenaw) 4. Re: Beauty Tips :) (Antoine Desch?nes) 5. Re: NAK 500 to DONATE (Tim Skorick) 6. Re: Beauty Tips :) (Ron) 7. RE: NAK 500 to DONATE (Nelson) 8. RE: NAK 500 to DONATE (lenaw) 9. Re: Beauty Tips :) (Hi Tech) 10. Re: Level (VU) or peak metering? (Ben Torre) 11. Re: Level (VU) or peak metering? (Luis Peromarta) 12. RE: Beauty Tips :) (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) 13. RE: Beauty Tips :) (Kimo B. Yap) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:00:11 +0000 From: Subject: [naktalk] Beauty Tips :) To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi all Just wondering what to do to cover the small nicks n dings on a face plate .... how does one hide the aluminium showing from under the black anodised paint ? Is there anything that hides scratches etc too ?? on metal n plastic ? Thanks and Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Tried the new MSN Messenger? It’s cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:52:46 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beauty Tips :) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <44F99ABE.40003 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I use a black felt-tipped marker (pen). Apply with a light hand -- too little looks better than too much. I got this tip from Mike Kelly, the speaker designer at Aerial Acoustics. Works well on satin finish speakers, but also on Nakamichi face plates. -- Ron noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi all > Just wondering what to do to cover the small nicks n dings on a face > plate .... how does one hide the aluminium showing from under the black > anodised paint ? > Is there anything that hides scratches etc too ?? on metal n plastic ? > > Thanks and Regards > Soumi > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:01:42 -0500 From: "lenaw" Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <000401c6cea0$b430bce0$5ac3db40 at CPQ16585250299> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Have a Nak 500 to donate. Works last time when powers up. $10 shipping anywhere within U.S. If interested drop me a line off the list. Otherwise I will plan to just junk it. Run out of space finally. Thanks. Mike ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:02:37 -0400 From: Antoine Desch?nes Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beauty Tips :) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <44F99D0D.2030205 at yahoo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It works well on Naks since they have the same red / violet reflections than markers. If it's true black anodized aluminum(Never saw some), you're going to see the marker. Ron a écrit : > > I use a black felt-tipped marker (pen). Apply with a > light hand -- too little looks better than too much. > I got this tip from Mike Kelly, the speaker designer > at Aerial Acoustics. Works well on satin finish > speakers, but also on Nakamichi face plates. > > -- Ron > > > noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >> Hi all >> Just wondering what to do to cover the small nicks n dings on a face >> plate .... how does one hide the aluminium showing from under the >> black anodised paint ? >> Is there anything that hides scratches etc too ?? on metal n plastic ? >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Soumi >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:08:49 -0500 From: "Tim Skorick" Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <6bddc1110609020808j6a1a6be3jc79a7e2776dfc934 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'd love one of those! On 9/2/06, lenaw wrote: > > > > Have a Nak 500 to donate. Works last time when powers up. $10 shipping > anywhere within U.S. If interested drop me a line off the list. Otherwise > I > will plan to just junk it. Run out of space finally. Thanks. > > > Mike > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060902/9fe19395/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:42:20 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beauty Tips :) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <44F9A65C.1040900 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Actually, I have used it on quite a few other black front panels. Worked on all -- on some, better than others. Still, the result was always an improvement. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > It works well on Naks since they have the same red / violet reflections > than markers. If it's true black anodized aluminum(Never saw some), > you're going to see the marker. > > Ron a écrit : >> >> I use a black felt-tipped marker (pen). Apply with a >> light hand -- too little looks better than too much. >> I got this tip from Mike Kelly, the speaker designer >> at Aerial Acoustics. Works well on satin finish >> speakers, but also on Nakamichi face plates. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >>> Hi all >>> Just wondering what to do to cover the small nicks n dings on a face >>> plate .... how does one hide the aluminium showing from under the >>> black anodised paint ? >>> Is there anything that hides scratches etc too ?? on metal n plastic ? >>> >>> Thanks and Regards >>> Soumi > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 17:26:01 +0100 From: "Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Isn't there a Law against junking working Nak's? What would be the punishment? Death by MP3 or iPOD musac thru a pair of el cheapo in-ear headphones??? Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of lenaw Sent: 02 September 2006 16:02 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE Have a Nak 500 to donate. Works last time when powers up. $10 shipping anywhere within U.S. If interested drop me a line off the list. Otherwise I will plan to just junk it. Run out of space finally. Thanks. Mike ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:28:42 -0500 From: "lenaw" Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <001001c6ceb5$3d8de670$80c4db40 at CPQ16585250299> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Everybody: My 500 found a home, thanks for all the interest. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:26 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE Isn't there a Law against junking working Nak's? What would be the punishment? Death by MP3 or iPOD musac thru a pair of el cheapo in-ear headphones??? Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of lenaw Sent: 02 September 2006 16:02 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] NAK 500 to DONATE Have a Nak 500 to donate. Works last time when powers up. $10 shipping anywhere within U.S. If interested drop me a line off the list. Otherwise I will plan to just junk it. Run out of space finally. Thanks. Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:41:05 -0500 From: Hi Tech Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beauty Tips :) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060902124105.00839980 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We use black sharpies (permanent magic markers) tom brucker At 02:00 PM 9/2/06 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all >Just wondering what to do to cover the small nicks n dings on a face plate >.... how does one hide the aluminium showing from under the black anodised >paint ? >Is there anything that hides scratches etc too ?? on metal n plastic ? > >Thanks and Regards >Soumi > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tried the new MSN Messenger? It’s cool! Download now. >http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:58:50 -0400 From: Ben Torre Subject: Re: [naktalk] Level (VU) or peak metering? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060831135351.03d55c20 at ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:20 PM 8/31/06, you wrote: >I know there's quite some specifications regarding ballistics, rise >and decay times for VU metering Just in case the gang here is interested... http://www.richardhess.net/ampex/Historical%20VU%20Meter%20Docs/ The documents contained therein are where it all started, and might answer a few questions about metering. Hope this helps, Ben ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:47:57 +0200 From: Luis Peromarta Subject: Re: [naktalk] Level (VU) or peak metering? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <44F9EDFD.5010105 at peromarta.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Certainly a very interesting reading. Thanks for the info. LP. Ben Torre escribió: > At 12:20 PM 8/31/06, you wrote: >> I know there's quite some specifications regarding ballistics, rise >> and decay times for VU metering > > Just in case the gang here is interested... > > http://www.richardhess.net/ampex/Historical%20VU%20Meter%20Docs/ > > The documents contained therein are where it all started, and might > answer a few questions about metering. > > Hope this helps, > Ben > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 06:18:00 +0000 From: Subject: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi all Thanks for the tips ... i did try with permanent black marker pens ... and it does a decent job. Also, what lubricant do you recommend for transport etc ? Cailube from caig labs ? Let me know Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Tried the new MSN Messenger? It’s cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 02:30:43 -0700 From: "Kimo B. Yap" Subject: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <934A443E-2EE4-433F-99ED-A75006A6DD83 at alumni.caltech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Also, what lubricant do you recommend for transport etc ? Cailube > from caig > labs ? I probably wouldn't use Cailube for long-term use. It's designed for moving pot contacts and in theory has to compromise in some conductivity properties which, while not harmful, are not necessary and something more just designed with more optimal lubricity and longevity characteristcs only would probably be more appropriate (and less expensive, although we're not talking about a lot).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cailube from > caig labs ? > > Let me know > > Regards > Soumi > The experts will recommend esoteric lubricants, but the truth is that a lubricant is a lubricant is a lubricant... For hinge points and capstan bearings I use light machine oil (a small drop will last a long, long time). For rubbing surfaces I use light general purpose grease (again, not too much!). For plastic parts I use Lithium grease. I go over the machine about once every couple of years or so, clean thoroughly and lubricate. At that time, I also check basic calibration, such as capstan motor speed, tape traveling and frequency response. As long as it's working OK and sounding OK, that's it! -- Ron From btorre at ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 3 17:22:25 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:22:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) In-Reply-To: <44FACF59.4020304@rcn.com> References: <44FACF59.4020304@rcn.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060903103602.03178380@ix.netcom.com> At 08:49 AM 9/3/06, you wrote: >but the truth is that a lubricant is a lubricant is a lubricant... Ummmm.... no. There are different lubricants for different purposes. There are temperature considerations, viscosity, open vs. closed assemblies, and pressure between the surfaces being lubricated.. amongst about a dozen others. >For hinge points and capstan bearings I use light machine oil (a >small drop will last a long, long time). For rubbing surfaces I use light >general purpose grease (again, not too much!). For plastic parts I >use Lithium grease. Lubricant selection should follow at least one general rule: oil for captive points (like ball bearings), grease for open assemblies (like open mechanical latches). In my experience, I have found that there are several worth having on hand. For older machines with oilite-type bronze bushings, I have found Rislone (yes, the blue stuff in the quart-bottle you get in the auto parts store meant to quiet a noisy valvetrain) really works best because it gets into the pores of the bronze bushing to dissolve out the old lubricant. For a machine that has been well-maintained, turbine oil is best as it won't dry out. (here in the USA, the only place I know of other than aviation supply houses are the local chain stores that carry the "Zoom Spout Oiler") Grease. Lithium-base grease is not all the same, though they share similar properties. Lubriplate is the old standby since WW2. It still works, but it doesn't have the stability that the newer fluorocarbon compounds have. You can find them in sporting goods stores sold by Mil-Comm and FTI, Inc. Guys use them for firearms and fishing reels. If you really want to use a lithium-base grease for something like a thrust-bearing, check out the stuff BMW recommends for their old R-series motorcycles that require clutch-spline lubrication. I don't have the part number in front of me, but any BMW bike dealership will know what you're talking about. Once in a while you get hold of an old machine where the motor bearings have frozen up because the lubricant turned into what amounts to glue. Sometimes Rislone is enough to free it up. Other times, you have to get a little more aggressive and flush the assembly out with lighter fluid or some other solvent that won't eat things. (do this outside and away from ignition sources, obviously!) I avoid low-grade penetrating lubricants like Liquid Wrench as they tend to have other really powerful solvents in them that can linger and attack plastics. They also smell awful! I also avoid WD-40 as the "WD" stands for "water displacing", and it too has a nasty set of solvents in it. The stuff also evaporates away rather quickly. It really has no place in a fine tape recorder, unless said tape recorder has been submerged in a flood. >I go over the machine about once every couple of years or so, clean >thoroughly and lubricate. At that time, I also check basic >calibration, such as capstan motor speed, tape traveling and >frequency response. As long as it's working OK and sounding OK, that's it! Perfectly reasonable. Regular maintenance goes a long way to keeping a good machine working well over time. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Sep 4 07:16:32 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 22:16:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes Message-ID: <4D146128-A030-42D2-94C4-F2CFFB013870@alumni.caltech.edu> Hi, For those that have worked on the various zxl machines (6[678] 0,700,1000)zxl, is there a common mode of failure for the capstan motor which it appears to just start turning maybe weakly for a few seconds after the machine is powered on, but not thereafter? I did notice the +12V supply in general appears to be +10.69; is this within the normal range, or is that likely my issue? Tried spraying it out with DeOxit; doesn't appear to move at all although I've just notice a wire I must have detached while I was taking it apart. Thanks.-kby From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 4 13:41:02 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 07:41:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060903103602.03178380@ix.netcom.com> References: <44FACF59.4020304@rcn.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060903103602.03178380@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <44FC10CE.3030600@rcn.com> Ben Torre wrote: > At 08:49 AM 9/3/06, you wrote: >> but the truth is that a lubricant is a lubricant is a lubricant... > > Ummmm.... no. Actually, yes. But taken as a guide line, not literally. > There are different lubricants for different purposes. There are > temperature considerations, viscosity, open vs. closed assemblies, and > pressure between the surfaces being lubricated.. amongst about a dozen > others. Sure, When dealing with Lubrication as an engineering subject in school. Not in the context of maintaining cassette recorders. >> For hinge points and capstan bearings I use light machine oil (a small >> drop will last a long, long time). For rubbing surfaces I use light >> general purpose grease (again, not too much!). For plastic parts I use >> Lithium grease. > > Lubricant selection should follow at least one general rule: oil for > captive points (like ball bearings), grease for open assemblies (like > open mechanical latches). Yep, that's what I said. > In my experience, I have found that there are several worth having on > hand. For older machines with oilite-type bronze bushings, I have found > Rislone (yes, the blue stuff in the quart-bottle you get in the auto > parts store meant to quiet a noisy valvetrain) really works best because > it gets into the pores of the bronze bushing to dissolve out the old > lubricant. For a machine that has been well-maintained, turbine oil is > best as it won't dry out. (here in the USA, the only place I know of > other than aviation supply houses are the local chain stores that carry > the "Zoom Spout Oiler") Any light machine oil will be absorbed into bronze and won't dry out. Doesn't have to be Rislone or any other specific oil. > Grease. Lithium-base grease is not all the same, though they share > similar properties. The one that came in a tube worked for me. > Lubriplate is the old standby since WW2. It still > works, but it doesn't have the stability that the newer fluorocarbon > compounds have. You can find them in sporting goods stores sold by > Mil-Comm and FTI, Inc. Guys use them for firearms and fishing reels. > If you really want to use a lithium-base grease for something like a > thrust-bearing, check out the stuff BMW recommends for their old > R-series motorcycles that require clutch-spline lubrication. I don't > have the part number in front of me, but any BMW bike dealership will > know what you're talking about. > > Once in a while you get hold of an old machine where the motor bearings > have frozen up because the lubricant turned into what amounts to glue. That's a repair, not a lubrication issue. > Sometimes Rislone is enough to free it up. Using oil for cleaning is a bad idea. I always use MEK to clean (precautions apply. Lighter fluid would be safer), then use oil to lubricate. -- Ron > Other times, you have to get > a little more aggressive and flush the assembly out with lighter fluid > or some other solvent that won't eat things. (do this outside and away > from ignition sources, obviously!) I avoid low-grade penetrating > lubricants like Liquid Wrench as they tend to have other really powerful > solvents in them that can linger and attack plastics. They also smell > awful! I also avoid WD-40 as the "WD" stands for "water displacing", > and it too has a nasty set of solvents in it. The stuff also evaporates > away rather quickly. It really has no place in a fine tape recorder, > unless said tape recorder has been submerged in a flood. > >> I go over the machine about once every couple of years or so, clean >> thoroughly and lubricate. At that time, I also check basic >> calibration, such as capstan motor speed, tape traveling and frequency >> response. As long as it's working OK and sounding OK, that's it! > > Perfectly reasonable. Regular maintenance goes a long way to keeping a > good machine working well over time. > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 4 13:58:13 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 07:58:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes In-Reply-To: <4D146128-A030-42D2-94C4-F2CFFB013870@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <4D146128-A030-42D2-94C4-F2CFFB013870@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <44FC14D5.2020503@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Hi, > > For those that have worked on the various zxl machines > (6[678]0,700,1000)zxl, is there a common mode of failure > for the capstan motor which it appears to just start turning maybe > weakly for a few seconds after the machine > is powered on, but not thereafter? I did notice the +12V supply in > general appears to be +10.69; is this within > the normal range, or is that likely my issue? Not specifically for ZXL decks, but 10.7V for any regulated +12 supply is a problem, right there. Either the load is too high (bad motor or high leakage somewhere in the circuitry) or a bad regulator could be the cause. > Tried spraying it out with > DeOxit; doesn't appear to move at all although > I've just notice a wire I must have detached while > I was taking it apart. That can't be good... Can you see where it was previously connected? -- Ron Thanks.-kby From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Mon Sep 4 18:43:59 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:43:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) In-Reply-To: <200609041000.k84A04wV015190@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all Those werre some good tips on maintenance. Im not sure i can get hold of all of what is mentioned but for the plastic n general assemblies, im using a white grease (where viscous lubricants are mentioned) and for others, im using a light machine oil, the kind that one gets for sewing machines. I hope im not straying here. Thanks all again Best Soumi _________________________________________________________________ One and only Ash. Find out all about her. Only on MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/aishwarya.asp From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Sep 4 19:39:48 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:39:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes Message-ID: <1784E4D3-94BD-49DA-AEF1-1A9AB82D6C99@alumni.caltech.edu> > Not specifically for ZXL decks, but 10.7V for any > regulated +12 supply is a problem, right there. > Either the load is too high (bad motor or high > leakage somewhere in the circuitry) or a bad > regulator could be the cause. I'd like to think it's in the PS as that's with nothing else connected. The other motors do seem to move fine, though. The reason I'm suspecting the PS is that I've disconnected almost everything (including this motor) and that 10.7 is measured at the PS and didn't change as I removed stuff. However, it seemed odd that the 5V also seemed low (as they're on separate secondaries of the transformer). Also, this came on "suddenly" albeit after disassembling/reassembling things, so it seems more likely a component failure. There is the capstan motor governor board which is sort of part of the motor, though. "Helping" the motor after it's stalled or as it sort of is doesn't work either. > That can't be good... Can you see where it was > previously connected? Yes, I've figured it out from the schemo, but I haven't gotten enough put back together to test it. I'm pretty sure that break was post-slowness failure, although it could have been "going" obviously. Thanks for the input.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 4 18:46:11 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes In-Reply-To: <44FC14D5.2020503@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060904164611.13675.qmail@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, With the 670, 680 series decks, the 12V is through a fixed regulator. The ZXL decks use an op amp regulator circuit. Exactly which of your decks has this low voltage problem? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh 79Labs Ron wrote: Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Hi, > > For those that have worked on the various zxl machines > (6[678]0,700,1000)zxl, is there a common mode of failure > for the capstan motor which it appears to just start turning maybe > weakly for a few seconds after the machine > is powered on, but not thereafter? I did notice the +12V supply in > general appears to be +10.69; is this within > the normal range, or is that likely my issue? Not specifically for ZXL decks, but 10.7V for any regulated +12 supply is a problem, right there. Either the load is too high (bad motor or high leakage somewhere in the circuitry) or a bad regulator could be the cause. > Tried spraying it out with > DeOxit; doesn't appear to move at all although > I've just notice a wire I must have detached while > I was taking it apart. That can't be good... Can you see where it was previously connected? -- Ron Thanks.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmy5024 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 4 18:47:07 2006 From: dmy5024 at yahoo.com (yee dan) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 In-Reply-To: <44FC14D5.2020503@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060904164707.49493.qmail@web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am thinking to pick up some Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 from Batteries And Butter.Com at $1.25 each. Are these good quality tapes worth getting? Many thanks, Here is the website for the tapes. http://www.batterie sandbutter. com/Merchant2/ merchant. mvc?Screen= PROD&Product_ Code=MAXXLIIS- 90&Category_ Code=ta --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Sep 4 23:28:49 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:28:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes Message-ID: <2F0923FB-B536-49C1-A6D7-71CE3D3EFE85@alumni.caltech.edu> Hi Bala, It's good to see you able to take a break. This is my "project" 700zxl, so I guess it's the op-amp type.-kby From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 5 03:19:12 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes In-Reply-To: <2F0923FB-B536-49C1-A6D7-71CE3D3EFE85@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060905011912.70863.qmail@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Kimo, Good to see you again. The 700ZXL uses the op-amp regulator circuit. Do check both the + and - 12 volts to see how it regulates. Chances are, the semiconductors may need to be changed. This is one stage that doesn't react too well to shorts or glitches on the power lines. However, they provide incredibly stable regulation. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Hi Bala, It's good to see you able to take a break. This is my "project" 700zxl, so I guess it's the op-amp type.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From btorre at ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 5 03:29:44 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:29:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 In-Reply-To: <20060904164707.49493.qmail@web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <44FC14D5.2020503@rcn.com> <20060904164707.49493.qmail@web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060904212450.037e7170@ix.netcom.com> At 12:47 PM 9/4/06, you wrote: >I am thinking to pick up some Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 from >Batteries And Butter.Com at $1.25 each. Are these good quality tapes >worth getting? I always had excellent results with SA-90 from the late 1970s up through the present. I ran into some XL-II cassettes over the last 8 years or so and have had good results with them as well. Mind you, this is with several decks... not just the Nak 700II I have. From yregelman at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 07:56:34 2006 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:56:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx level calibration problem Message-ID: <3beaa6a90609042256r1ff19b9ev8cc5bf3ea1ddbc34@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I'm curious if anyone can provide some insight into the following problem with the 680zx. Whenever it is switched into calibration mode, the level meter stops responding. The auto-azimuth works and the 400HZ signal gets generated. The meter also works in playback and record modes, however in calibration mode it switches the scale but does not produce the level readout in neither source nor tape mode. Once in a while it actually shows level readout for a fraction of a second. Feels like a bad contact or a cold solder somewhere, but I can't seem to make it correspond to physical tapping, which may indicate that the problem is not as simple. And even if it is cold solder, it would be nice to know where to look to zone in on the problem. If anyone has a hunch, I'd love to hear what you think. Thanks, Yury -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 5 09:45:06 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:45:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 In-Reply-To: <20060904164707.49493.qmail@web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060904164707.49493.qmail@web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44FD2B02.6060704@rcn.com> Both are good. The XLII-S are supposedly higher MOL, equivalent not to the SA, but to the SA-x line. To m ears, they sound too bright. My personal preferences for type 2 tapes are XLII, then SA, then XLII-S or SA-X. YMMV. -- Ron yee dan wrote: > I am thinking to pick up some Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 from Batteries > And Butter.Com at $1.25 each. Are these good quality tapes worth getting? > > Many thanks, > > > > > Here is the website for the tapes. > > http://www.batterie sandbutter. com/Merchant2/ merchant. mvc?Screen= > PROD&Product_ Code=MAXXLIIS- 90&Category_ Code=ta > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call > rates. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From parabus at netvigator.com Tue Sep 5 15:49:17 2006 From: parabus at netvigator.com (parabus at netvigator.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:49:17 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL MOTOR PROBLEM Message-ID: <20060905134917.NHTF5632.wmail02dat.netvigator.com@mail.netvigator.com> > September 5, 2006. Hello.....I had a similar problem with running the motor...i.e. PLAY/FF mode. The machine will NOT engage in PLAY mode, nor FF. However, the REWIND mode works. I had checked and replaced ALL IC's on the logic board and still NO GO. All voltages seem ok with 12.25V and -12.25v....5v is also there. Anyone knows what could be the problem ? Thanks all for your inputs. Regards, Bernard Lee (Hong Kong) P.S. the motor does move for a second or two after in PLAY and FF modes but did not engage. REWIND runs ok. > From: naktalk-request at naks.com > Date: 2006/09/05 Tue PM 03:48:53 HKT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 4 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: RE: Beauty Tips :) (Ron) > 2. Re: ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Ron) > 3. RE: Beauty Tips :) (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) > 4. ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Kimo B. Yap) > 5. Re: ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 6. Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 (yee dan) > 7. ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Kimo B. Yap) > 8. Re: ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 9. Re: Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 (Ben Torre) > 10. 680zx level calibration problem (Yuri Regelman) > 11. Re: Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 (Ron) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 07:41:02 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <44FC10CE.3030600 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Ben Torre wrote: > > At 08:49 AM 9/3/06, you wrote: > >> but the truth is that a lubricant is a lubricant is a lubricant... > > > > Ummmm.... no. > > Actually, yes. But taken as a guide line, not literally. > > > There are different lubricants for different purposes. There are > > temperature considerations, viscosity, open vs. closed assemblies, and > > pressure between the surfaces being lubricated.. amongst about a dozen > > others. > > Sure, When dealing with Lubrication as an engineering > subject in school. Not in the context of maintaining > cassette recorders. > > >> For hinge points and capstan bearings I use light machine oil (a small > >> drop will last a long, long time). For rubbing surfaces I use light > >> general purpose grease (again, not too much!). For plastic parts I use > >> Lithium grease. > > > > Lubricant selection should follow at least one general rule: oil for > > captive points (like ball bearings), grease for open assemblies (like > > open mechanical latches). > > Yep, that's what I said. > > > In my experience, I have found that there are several worth having on > > hand. For older machines with oilite-type bronze bushings, I have found > > Rislone (yes, the blue stuff in the quart-bottle you get in the auto > > parts store meant to quiet a noisy valvetrain) really works best because > > it gets into the pores of the bronze bushing to dissolve out the old > > lubricant. For a machine that has been well-maintained, turbine oil is > > best as it won't dry out. (here in the USA, the only place I know of > > other than aviation supply houses are the local chain stores that carry > > the "Zoom Spout Oiler") > > Any light machine oil will be absorbed into bronze and > won't dry out. Doesn't have to be Rislone or any other > specific oil. > > > Grease. Lithium-base grease is not all the same, though they share > > similar properties. > > The one that came in a tube worked for me. > > > Lubriplate is the old standby since WW2. It still > > works, but it doesn't have the stability that the newer fluorocarbon > > compounds have. You can find them in sporting goods stores sold by > > Mil-Comm and FTI, Inc. Guys use them for firearms and fishing reels. > > If you really want to use a lithium-base grease for something like a > > thrust-bearing, check out the stuff BMW recommends for their old > > R-series motorcycles that require clutch-spline lubrication. I don't > > have the part number in front of me, but any BMW bike dealership will > > know what you're talking about. > > > > Once in a while you get hold of an old machine where the motor bearings > > have frozen up because the lubricant turned into what amounts to glue. > > That's a repair, not a lubrication issue. > > > Sometimes Rislone is enough to free it up. > > Using oil for cleaning is a bad idea. I always use MEK > to clean (precautions apply. Lighter fluid would be safer), > then use oil to lubricate. > > -- Ron > > > > Other times, you have to get > > a little more aggressive and flush the assembly out with lighter fluid > > or some other solvent that won't eat things. (do this outside and away > > from ignition sources, obviously!) I avoid low-grade penetrating > > lubricants like Liquid Wrench as they tend to have other really powerful > > solvents in them that can linger and attack plastics. They also smell > > awful! I also avoid WD-40 as the "WD" stands for "water displacing", > > and it too has a nasty set of solvents in it. The stuff also evaporates > > away rather quickly. It really has no place in a fine tape recorder, > > unless said tape recorder has been submerged in a flood. > > > >> I go over the machine about once every couple of years or so, clean > >> thoroughly and lubricate. At that time, I also check basic > >> calibration, such as capstan motor speed, tape traveling and frequency > >> response. As long as it's working OK and sounding OK, that's it! > > > > Perfectly reasonable. Regular maintenance goes a long way to keeping a > > good machine working well over time. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 07:58:13 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <44FC14D5.2020503 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > Hi, > > > > For those that have worked on the various zxl machines > > (6[678]0,700,1000)zxl, is there a common mode of failure > > for the capstan motor which it appears to just start turning maybe > > weakly for a few seconds after the machine > > is powered on, but not thereafter? I did notice the +12V supply in > > general appears to be +10.69; is this within > > the normal range, or is that likely my issue? > > Not specifically for ZXL decks, but 10.7V for any > regulated +12 supply is a problem, right there. > Either the load is too high (bad motor or high > leakage somewhere in the circuitry) or a bad > regulator could be the cause. > > > Tried spraying it out with > > DeOxit; doesn't appear to move at all although > > I've just notice a wire I must have detached while > > I was taking it apart. > > That can't be good... Can you see where it was > previously connected? > > -- Ron > > > Thanks.-kby > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:43:59 +0000 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Hi all > Those werre some good tips on maintenance. Im not sure i can get hold of all > of what is mentioned but for the plastic n general assemblies, im using a > white grease (where viscous lubricants are mentioned) and for others, im > using a light machine oil, the kind that one gets for sewing machines. > I hope im not straying here. > > Thanks all again > > Best > Soumi > > _________________________________________________________________ > One and only Ash. Find out all about her. Only on MSN Search > http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/aishwarya.asp > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:39:48 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <1784E4D3-94BD-49DA-AEF1-1A9AB82D6C99 at alumni.caltech.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Not specifically for ZXL decks, but 10.7V for any > > regulated +12 supply is a problem, right there. > > Either the load is too high (bad motor or high > > leakage somewhere in the circuitry) or a bad > > regulator could be the cause. > > I'd like to think it's in the PS as that's with nothing else connected. > The other motors do seem to move fine, though. The reason > I'm suspecting the PS is that I've disconnected almost everything > (including this motor) > and that 10.7 is measured at the PS and didn't change as I removed > stuff. > However, it seemed odd that the 5V also seemed low (as they're on > separate > secondaries of the transformer). Also, this came on "suddenly" albeit > after disassembling/reassembling > things, so it seems more likely a component failure. There is the > capstan motor governor board which > is sort of part of the motor, though. "Helping" the motor after it's > stalled or as it sort of is doesn't work > either. > > > That can't be good... Can you see where it was > > previously connected? > > Yes, I've figured it out from the schemo, but I haven't gotten enough > put back together to test it. I'm pretty > sure that break was post-slowness failure, although it could have > been "going" obviously. > > Thanks for the input.-kby > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/dda45f53/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:46:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20060904164611.13675.qmail at web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Kimo, > > With the 670, 680 series decks, the 12V is through a fixed regulator. The ZXL decks use an op amp regulator circuit. Exactly which of your decks has this low voltage problem? > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > Ron wrote: Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > Hi, > > > > For those that have worked on the various zxl machines > > (6[678]0,700,1000)zxl, is there a common mode of failure > > for the capstan motor which it appears to just start turning maybe > > weakly for a few seconds after the machine > > is powered on, but not thereafter? I did notice the +12V supply in > > general appears to be +10.69; is this within > > the normal range, or is that likely my issue? > > Not specifically for ZXL decks, but 10.7V for any > regulated +12 supply is a problem, right there. > Either the load is too high (bad motor or high > leakage somewhere in the circuitry) or a bad > regulator could be the cause. > > > Tried spraying it out with > > DeOxit; doesn't appear to move at all although > > I've just notice a wire I must have detached while > > I was taking it apart. > > That can't be good... Can you see where it was > previously connected? > > -- Ron > > > Thanks.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?min or less. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/fdd91ce2/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:47:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: yee dan > Subject: [naktalk] Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <20060904164707.49493.qmail at web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am thinking to pick up some Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 from Batteries And Butter.Com at $1.25 each. Are these good quality tapes worth getting? > > Many thanks, > > > > > Here is the website for the tapes. > > http://www.batterie sandbutter. com/Merchant2/ merchant. mvc?Screen= PROD&Product_ Code=MAXXLIIS- 90&Category_ Code=ta > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger? low PC-to-Phone call rates. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/a2fd9ca2/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:28:49 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <2F0923FB-B536-49C1-A6D7-71CE3D3EFE85 at alumni.caltech.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi Bala, > > It's good to see you able to take a break. This is my "project" > 700zxl, so I guess it's the op-amp type.-kby > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:19:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20060905011912.70863.qmail at web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Kimo, > > Good to see you again. The 700ZXL uses the op-amp regulator circuit. Do check both the + and - 12 volts to see how it regulates. Chances are, the semiconductors may need to be changed. This is one stage that doesn't react too well to shorts or glitches on the power lines. However, they provide incredibly stable regulation. > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Hi Bala, > > It's good to see you able to take a break. This is my "project" > 700zxl, so I guess it's the op-amp type.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/5514b37f/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:29:44 -0400 > From: Ben Torre > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK > SA90 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060904212450.037e7170 at ix.netcom.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 12:47 PM 9/4/06, you wrote: > >I am thinking to pick up some Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 from > >Batteries And Butter.Com at $1.25 each. Are these good quality tapes > >worth getting? > > I always had excellent results with SA-90 from the late 1970s up > through the present. I ran into some XL-II cassettes over the last 8 > years or so and have had good results with them as well. Mind you, > this is with several decks... not just the Nak 700II I have. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:56:34 -0700 > From: "Yuri Regelman" > Subject: [naktalk] 680zx level calibration problem > To: Naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <3beaa6a90609042256r1ff19b9ev8cc5bf3ea1ddbc34 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello, > > I'm curious if anyone can provide some insight into the following problem > with the 680zx. Whenever it is switched into calibration mode, the level > meter stops responding. The auto-azimuth works and the 400HZ signal gets > generated. The meter also works in playback and record modes, however in > calibration mode it switches the scale but does not produce the level > readout in neither source nor tape mode. Once in a while it actually shows > level readout for a fraction of a second. Feels like a bad contact or a > cold solder somewhere, but I can't seem to make it correspond to physical > tapping, which may indicate that the problem is not as simple. And even if > it is cold solder, it would be nice to know where to look to zone in on the > problem. If anyone has a hunch, I'd love to hear what you think. > > Thanks, > Yury > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/494c0109/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:45:06 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK > SA90 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <44FD2B02.6060704 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > Both are good. The XLII-S are supposedly higher MOL, > equivalent not to the SA, but to the SA-x line. To m > ears, they sound too bright. My personal preferences > for type 2 tapes are XLII, then SA, then XLII-S or > SA-X. YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > yee dan wrote: > > I am thinking to pick up some Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 from Batteries > > And Butter.Com at $1.25 each. Are these good quality tapes worth getting? > > > > Many thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Here is the website for the tapes. > > > > http://www.batterie sandbutter. com/Merchant2/ merchant. mvc?Screen= > > PROD&Product_ Code=MAXXLIIS- 90&Category_ Code=ta > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger? low PC-to-Phone call > > rates. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 4 > ************************************** > > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 5 17:41:44 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 08:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL MOTOR PROBLEM In-Reply-To: <20060905134917.NHTF5632.wmail02dat.netvigator.com@mail.netvigator.com> Message-ID: <20060905154144.61731.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can connect any 12 V motor to the output and check the rotation in all these modes. one way. This would ensure the circuit functions OK - but use manual turn on the reel hubs to make the shut down sensor stopping the motor current during the test. kannan parabus at netvigator.com wrote: > September 5, 2006. Hello.....I had a similar problem with running the motor...i.e. PLAY/FF mode. The machine will NOT engage in PLAY mode, nor FF. However, the REWIND mode works. I had checked and replaced ALL IC's on the logic board and still NO GO. All voltages seem ok with 12.25V and -12.25v....5v is also there. Anyone knows what could be the problem ? Thanks all for your inputs. Regards, Bernard Lee (Hong Kong) P.S. the motor does move for a second or two after in PLAY and FF modes but did not engage. REWIND runs ok. > From: naktalk-request at naks.com > Date: 2006/09/05 Tue PM 03:48:53 HKT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 4 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: RE: Beauty Tips :) (Ron) > 2. Re: ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Ron) > 3. RE: Beauty Tips :) (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) > 4. ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Kimo B. Yap) > 5. Re: ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 6. Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 (yee dan) > 7. ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Kimo B. Yap) > 8. Re: ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 9. Re: Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 (Ben Torre) > 10. 680zx level calibration problem (Yuri Regelman) > 11. Re: Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 (Ron) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 07:41:02 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <44FC10CE.3030600 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Ben Torre wrote: > > At 08:49 AM 9/3/06, you wrote: > >> but the truth is that a lubricant is a lubricant is a lubricant... > > > > Ummmm.... no. > > Actually, yes. But taken as a guide line, not literally. > > > There are different lubricants for different purposes. There are > > temperature considerations, viscosity, open vs. closed assemblies, and > > pressure between the surfaces being lubricated.. amongst about a dozen > > others. > > Sure, When dealing with Lubrication as an engineering > subject in school. Not in the context of maintaining > cassette recorders. > > >> For hinge points and capstan bearings I use light machine oil (a small > >> drop will last a long, long time). For rubbing surfaces I use light > >> general purpose grease (again, not too much!). For plastic parts I use > >> Lithium grease. > > > > Lubricant selection should follow at least one general rule: oil for > > captive points (like ball bearings), grease for open assemblies (like > > open mechanical latches). > > Yep, that's what I said. > > > In my experience, I have found that there are several worth having on > > hand. For older machines with oilite-type bronze bushings, I have found > > Rislone (yes, the blue stuff in the quart-bottle you get in the auto > > parts store meant to quiet a noisy valvetrain) really works best because > > it gets into the pores of the bronze bushing to dissolve out the old > > lubricant. For a machine that has been well-maintained, turbine oil is > > best as it won't dry out. (here in the USA, the only place I know of > > other than aviation supply houses are the local chain stores that carry > > the "Zoom Spout Oiler") > > Any light machine oil will be absorbed into bronze and > won't dry out. Doesn't have to be Rislone or any other > specific oil. > > > Grease. Lithium-base grease is not all the same, though they share > > similar properties. > > The one that came in a tube worked for me. > > > Lubriplate is the old standby since WW2. It still > > works, but it doesn't have the stability that the newer fluorocarbon > > compounds have. You can find them in sporting goods stores sold by > > Mil-Comm and FTI, Inc. Guys use them for firearms and fishing reels. > > If you really want to use a lithium-base grease for something like a > > thrust-bearing, check out the stuff BMW recommends for their old > > R-series motorcycles that require clutch-spline lubrication. I don't > > have the part number in front of me, but any BMW bike dealership will > > know what you're talking about. > > > > Once in a while you get hold of an old machine where the motor bearings > > have frozen up because the lubricant turned into what amounts to glue. > > That's a repair, not a lubrication issue. > > > Sometimes Rislone is enough to free it up. > > Using oil for cleaning is a bad idea. I always use MEK > to clean (precautions apply. Lighter fluid would be safer), > then use oil to lubricate. > > -- Ron > > > > Other times, you have to get > > a little more aggressive and flush the assembly out with lighter fluid > > or some other solvent that won't eat things. (do this outside and away > > from ignition sources, obviously!) I avoid low-grade penetrating > > lubricants like Liquid Wrench as they tend to have other really powerful > > solvents in them that can linger and attack plastics. They also smell > > awful! I also avoid WD-40 as the "WD" stands for "water displacing", > > and it too has a nasty set of solvents in it. The stuff also evaporates > > away rather quickly. It really has no place in a fine tape recorder, > > unless said tape recorder has been submerged in a flood. > > > >> I go over the machine about once every couple of years or so, clean > >> thoroughly and lubricate. At that time, I also check basic > >> calibration, such as capstan motor speed, tape traveling and frequency > >> response. As long as it's working OK and sounding OK, that's it! > > > > Perfectly reasonable. Regular maintenance goes a long way to keeping a > > good machine working well over time. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 07:58:13 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <44FC14D5.2020503 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > Hi, > > > > For those that have worked on the various zxl machines > > (6[678]0,700,1000)zxl, is there a common mode of failure > > for the capstan motor which it appears to just start turning maybe > > weakly for a few seconds after the machine > > is powered on, but not thereafter? I did notice the +12V supply in > > general appears to be +10.69; is this within > > the normal range, or is that likely my issue? > > Not specifically for ZXL decks, but 10.7V for any > regulated +12 supply is a problem, right there. > Either the load is too high (bad motor or high > leakage somewhere in the circuitry) or a bad > regulator could be the cause. > > > Tried spraying it out with > > DeOxit; doesn't appear to move at all although > > I've just notice a wire I must have detached while > > I was taking it apart. > > That can't be good... Can you see where it was > previously connected? > > -- Ron > > > Thanks.-kby > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:43:59 +0000 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Hi all > Those werre some good tips on maintenance. Im not sure i can get hold of all > of what is mentioned but for the plastic n general assemblies, im using a > white grease (where viscous lubricants are mentioned) and for others, im > using a light machine oil, the kind that one gets for sewing machines. > I hope im not straying here. > > Thanks all again > > Best > Soumi > > _________________________________________________________________ > One and only Ash. Find out all about her. Only on MSN Search > http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/aishwarya.asp > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:39:48 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <1784E4D3-94BD-49DA-AEF1-1A9AB82D6C99 at alumni.caltech.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Not specifically for ZXL decks, but 10.7V for any > > regulated +12 supply is a problem, right there. > > Either the load is too high (bad motor or high > > leakage somewhere in the circuitry) or a bad > > regulator could be the cause. > > I'd like to think it's in the PS as that's with nothing else connected. > The other motors do seem to move fine, though. The reason > I'm suspecting the PS is that I've disconnected almost everything > (including this motor) > and that 10.7 is measured at the PS and didn't change as I removed > stuff. > However, it seemed odd that the 5V also seemed low (as they're on > separate > secondaries of the transformer). Also, this came on "suddenly" albeit > after disassembling/reassembling > things, so it seems more likely a component failure. There is the > capstan motor governor board which > is sort of part of the motor, though. "Helping" the motor after it's > stalled or as it sort of is doesn't work > either. > > > That can't be good... Can you see where it was > > previously connected? > > Yes, I've figured it out from the schemo, but I haven't gotten enough > put back together to test it. I'm pretty > sure that break was post-slowness failure, although it could have > been "going" obviously. > > Thanks for the input.-kby > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/dda45f53/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:46:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20060904164611.13675.qmail at web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Kimo, > > With the 670, 680 series decks, the 12V is through a fixed regulator. The ZXL decks use an op amp regulator circuit. Exactly which of your decks has this low voltage problem? > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > Ron wrote: Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > Hi, > > > > For those that have worked on the various zxl machines > > (6[678]0,700,1000)zxl, is there a common mode of failure > > for the capstan motor which it appears to just start turning maybe > > weakly for a few seconds after the machine > > is powered on, but not thereafter? I did notice the +12V supply in > > general appears to be +10.69; is this within > > the normal range, or is that likely my issue? > > Not specifically for ZXL decks, but 10.7V for any > regulated +12 supply is a problem, right there. > Either the load is too high (bad motor or high > leakage somewhere in the circuitry) or a bad > regulator could be the cause. > > > Tried spraying it out with > > DeOxit; doesn't appear to move at all although > > I've just notice a wire I must have detached while > > I was taking it apart. > > That can't be good... Can you see where it was > previously connected? > > -- Ron > > > Thanks.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?min or less. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/fdd91ce2/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:47:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: yee dan > Subject: [naktalk] Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <20060904164707.49493.qmail at web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am thinking to pick up some Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 from Batteries And Butter.Com at $1.25 each. Are these good quality tapes worth getting? > > Many thanks, > > > > > Here is the website for the tapes. > > http://www.batterie sandbutter. com/Merchant2/ merchant. mvc?Screen= PROD&Product_ Code=MAXXLIIS- 90&Category_ Code=ta > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger? low PC-to-Phone call rates. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/a2fd9ca2/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:28:49 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <2F0923FB-B536-49C1-A6D7-71CE3D3EFE85 at alumni.caltech.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi Bala, > > It's good to see you able to take a break. This is my "project" > 700zxl, so I guess it's the op-amp type.-kby > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:19:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20060905011912.70863.qmail at web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Kimo, > > Good to see you again. The 700ZXL uses the op-amp regulator circuit. Do check both the + and - 12 volts to see how it regulates. Chances are, the semiconductors may need to be changed. This is one stage that doesn't react too well to shorts or glitches on the power lines. However, they provide incredibly stable regulation. > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Hi Bala, > > It's good to see you able to take a break. This is my "project" > 700zxl, so I guess it's the op-amp type.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/5514b37f/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:29:44 -0400 > From: Ben Torre > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK > SA90 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060904212450.037e7170 at ix.netcom.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 12:47 PM 9/4/06, you wrote: > >I am thinking to pick up some Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 from > >Batteries And Butter.Com at $1.25 each. Are these good quality tapes > >worth getting? > > I always had excellent results with SA-90 from the late 1970s up > through the present. I ran into some XL-II cassettes over the last 8 > years or so and have had good results with them as well. Mind you, > this is with several decks... not just the Nak 700II I have. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:56:34 -0700 > From: "Yuri Regelman" > Subject: [naktalk] 680zx level calibration problem > To: Naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <3beaa6a90609042256r1ff19b9ev8cc5bf3ea1ddbc34 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello, > > I'm curious if anyone can provide some insight into the following problem > with the 680zx. Whenever it is switched into calibration mode, the level > meter stops responding. The auto-azimuth works and the 400HZ signal gets > generated. The meter also works in playback and record modes, however in > calibration mode it switches the scale but does not produce the level > readout in neither source nor tape mode. Once in a while it actually shows > level readout for a fraction of a second. Feels like a bad contact or a > cold solder somewhere, but I can't seem to make it correspond to physical > tapping, which may indicate that the problem is not as simple. And even if > it is cold solder, it would be nice to know where to look to zone in on the > problem. If anyone has a hunch, I'd love to hear what you think. > > Thanks, > Yury > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/494c0109/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:45:06 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK > SA90 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <44FD2B02.6060704 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > Both are good. The XLII-S are supposedly higher MOL, > equivalent not to the SA, but to the SA-x line. To m > ears, they sound too bright. My personal preferences > for type 2 tapes are XLII, then SA, then XLII-S or > SA-X. YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > yee dan wrote: > > I am thinking to pick up some Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 from Batteries > > And Butter.Com at $1.25 each. Are these good quality tapes worth getting? > > > > Many thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Here is the website for the tapes. > > > > http://www.batterie sandbutter. com/Merchant2/ merchant. mvc?Screen= > > PROD&Product_ Code=MAXXLIIS- 90&Category_ Code=ta > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger? low PC-to-Phone call > > rates. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= === message truncated === --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 5 18:19:11 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL MOTOR PROBLEM In-Reply-To: <20060905134917.NHTF5632.wmail02dat.netvigator.com@mail.netvigator.com> Message-ID: <20060905161911.45964.qmail@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bernard, Open up your deck and zoom straight for the bottom mother board just behind the transport. This means getting the deck on its side. Check if transistors Q504 and Q505 are alright. Both the transistors should be connected back to back. So measure the voltage at that point. If it does not swing 12 and -12 volts, then that is the problem. If it does, something else is not helping the motor latch.I cant remember which, but if either transistor is burnt, or not working, the motor will not work in forward mode. I dont think the motion sensor belt has given way. If it did, then all modes would not work. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh 79Labs Singapore parabus at netvigator.com wrote: > September 5, 2006. Hello.....I had a similar problem with running the motor...i.e. PLAY/FF mode. The machine will NOT engage in PLAY mode, nor FF. However, the REWIND mode works. I had checked and replaced ALL IC's on the logic board and still NO GO. All voltages seem ok with 12.25V and -12.25v....5v is also there. Anyone knows what could be the problem ? Thanks all for your inputs. Regards, Bernard Lee (Hong Kong) P.S. the motor does move for a second or two after in PLAY and FF modes but did not engage. REWIND runs ok. > From: naktalk-request at naks.com > Date: 2006/09/05 Tue PM 03:48:53 HKT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 4 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: RE: Beauty Tips :) (Ron) > 2. Re: ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Ron) > 3. RE: Beauty Tips :) (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) > 4. ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Kimo B. Yap) > 5. Re: ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 6. Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 (yee dan) > 7. ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Kimo B. Yap) > 8. Re: ZXL series capstan motor failure modes (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 9. Re: Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 (Ben Torre) > 10. 680zx level calibration problem (Yuri Regelman) > 11. Re: Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 (Ron) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 07:41:02 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <44FC10CE.3030600 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Ben Torre wrote: > > At 08:49 AM 9/3/06, you wrote: > >> but the truth is that a lubricant is a lubricant is a lubricant... > > > > Ummmm.... no. > > Actually, yes. But taken as a guide line, not literally. > > > There are different lubricants for different purposes. There are > > temperature considerations, viscosity, open vs. closed assemblies, and > > pressure between the surfaces being lubricated.. amongst about a dozen > > others. > > Sure, When dealing with Lubrication as an engineering > subject in school. Not in the context of maintaining > cassette recorders. > > >> For hinge points and capstan bearings I use light machine oil (a small > >> drop will last a long, long time). For rubbing surfaces I use light > >> general purpose grease (again, not too much!). For plastic parts I use > >> Lithium grease. > > > > Lubricant selection should follow at least one general rule: oil for > > captive points (like ball bearings), grease for open assemblies (like > > open mechanical latches). > > Yep, that's what I said. > > > In my experience, I have found that there are several worth having on > > hand. For older machines with oilite-type bronze bushings, I have found > > Rislone (yes, the blue stuff in the quart-bottle you get in the auto > > parts store meant to quiet a noisy valvetrain) really works best because > > it gets into the pores of the bronze bushing to dissolve out the old > > lubricant. For a machine that has been well-maintained, turbine oil is > > best as it won't dry out. (here in the USA, the only place I know of > > other than aviation supply houses are the local chain stores that carry > > the "Zoom Spout Oiler") > > Any light machine oil will be absorbed into bronze and > won't dry out. Doesn't have to be Rislone or any other > specific oil. > > > Grease. Lithium-base grease is not all the same, though they share > > similar properties. > > The one that came in a tube worked for me. > > > Lubriplate is the old standby since WW2. It still > > works, but it doesn't have the stability that the newer fluorocarbon > > compounds have. You can find them in sporting goods stores sold by > > Mil-Comm and FTI, Inc. Guys use them for firearms and fishing reels. > > If you really want to use a lithium-base grease for something like a > > thrust-bearing, check out the stuff BMW recommends for their old > > R-series motorcycles that require clutch-spline lubrication. I don't > > have the part number in front of me, but any BMW bike dealership will > > know what you're talking about. > > > > Once in a while you get hold of an old machine where the motor bearings > > have frozen up because the lubricant turned into what amounts to glue. > > That's a repair, not a lubrication issue. > > > Sometimes Rislone is enough to free it up. > > Using oil for cleaning is a bad idea. I always use MEK > to clean (precautions apply. Lighter fluid would be safer), > then use oil to lubricate. > > -- Ron > > > > Other times, you have to get > > a little more aggressive and flush the assembly out with lighter fluid > > or some other solvent that won't eat things. (do this outside and away > > from ignition sources, obviously!) I avoid low-grade penetrating > > lubricants like Liquid Wrench as they tend to have other really powerful > > solvents in them that can linger and attack plastics. They also smell > > awful! I also avoid WD-40 as the "WD" stands for "water displacing", > > and it too has a nasty set of solvents in it. The stuff also evaporates > > away rather quickly. It really has no place in a fine tape recorder, > > unless said tape recorder has been submerged in a flood. > > > >> I go over the machine about once every couple of years or so, clean > >> thoroughly and lubricate. At that time, I also check basic > >> calibration, such as capstan motor speed, tape traveling and frequency > >> response. As long as it's working OK and sounding OK, that's it! > > > > Perfectly reasonable. Regular maintenance goes a long way to keeping a > > good machine working well over time. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 07:58:13 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <44FC14D5.2020503 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > Hi, > > > > For those that have worked on the various zxl machines > > (6[678]0,700,1000)zxl, is there a common mode of failure > > for the capstan motor which it appears to just start turning maybe > > weakly for a few seconds after the machine > > is powered on, but not thereafter? I did notice the +12V supply in > > general appears to be +10.69; is this within > > the normal range, or is that likely my issue? > > Not specifically for ZXL decks, but 10.7V for any > regulated +12 supply is a problem, right there. > Either the load is too high (bad motor or high > leakage somewhere in the circuitry) or a bad > regulator could be the cause. > > > Tried spraying it out with > > DeOxit; doesn't appear to move at all although > > I've just notice a wire I must have detached while > > I was taking it apart. > > That can't be good... Can you see where it was > previously connected? > > -- Ron > > > Thanks.-kby > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:43:59 +0000 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Beauty Tips :) > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Hi all > Those werre some good tips on maintenance. Im not sure i can get hold of all > of what is mentioned but for the plastic n general assemblies, im using a > white grease (where viscous lubricants are mentioned) and for others, im > using a light machine oil, the kind that one gets for sewing machines. > I hope im not straying here. > > Thanks all again > > Best > Soumi > > _________________________________________________________________ > One and only Ash. Find out all about her. Only on MSN Search > http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/aishwarya.asp > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:39:48 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <1784E4D3-94BD-49DA-AEF1-1A9AB82D6C99 at alumni.caltech.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Not specifically for ZXL decks, but 10.7V for any > > regulated +12 supply is a problem, right there. > > Either the load is too high (bad motor or high > > leakage somewhere in the circuitry) or a bad > > regulator could be the cause. > > I'd like to think it's in the PS as that's with nothing else connected. > The other motors do seem to move fine, though. The reason > I'm suspecting the PS is that I've disconnected almost everything > (including this motor) > and that 10.7 is measured at the PS and didn't change as I removed > stuff. > However, it seemed odd that the 5V also seemed low (as they're on > separate > secondaries of the transformer). Also, this came on "suddenly" albeit > after disassembling/reassembling > things, so it seems more likely a component failure. There is the > capstan motor governor board which > is sort of part of the motor, though. "Helping" the motor after it's > stalled or as it sort of is doesn't work > either. > > > That can't be good... Can you see where it was > > previously connected? > > Yes, I've figured it out from the schemo, but I haven't gotten enough > put back together to test it. I'm pretty > sure that break was post-slowness failure, although it could have > been "going" obviously. > > Thanks for the input.-kby > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/dda45f53/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:46:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20060904164611.13675.qmail at web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Kimo, > > With the 670, 680 series decks, the 12V is through a fixed regulator. The ZXL decks use an op amp regulator circuit. Exactly which of your decks has this low voltage problem? > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > Ron wrote: Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > Hi, > > > > For those that have worked on the various zxl machines > > (6[678]0,700,1000)zxl, is there a common mode of failure > > for the capstan motor which it appears to just start turning maybe > > weakly for a few seconds after the machine > > is powered on, but not thereafter? I did notice the +12V supply in > > general appears to be +10.69; is this within > > the normal range, or is that likely my issue? > > Not specifically for ZXL decks, but 10.7V for any > regulated +12 supply is a problem, right there. > Either the load is too high (bad motor or high > leakage somewhere in the circuitry) or a bad > regulator could be the cause. > > > Tried spraying it out with > > DeOxit; doesn't appear to move at all although > > I've just notice a wire I must have detached while > > I was taking it apart. > > That can't be good... Can you see where it was > previously connected? > > -- Ron > > > Thanks.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?min or less. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/fdd91ce2/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:47:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: yee dan > Subject: [naktalk] Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <20060904164707.49493.qmail at web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am thinking to pick up some Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 from Batteries And Butter.Com at $1.25 each. Are these good quality tapes worth getting? > > Many thanks, > > > > > Here is the website for the tapes. > > http://www.batterie sandbutter. com/Merchant2/ merchant. mvc?Screen= PROD&Product_ Code=MAXXLIIS- 90&Category_ Code=ta > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger? low PC-to-Phone call rates. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/a2fd9ca2/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:28:49 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <2F0923FB-B536-49C1-A6D7-71CE3D3EFE85 at alumni.caltech.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi Bala, > > It's good to see you able to take a break. This is my "project" > 700zxl, so I guess it's the op-amp type.-kby > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:19:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20060905011912.70863.qmail at web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Kimo, > > Good to see you again. The 700ZXL uses the op-amp regulator circuit. Do check both the + and - 12 volts to see how it regulates. Chances are, the semiconductors may need to be changed. This is one stage that doesn't react too well to shorts or glitches on the power lines. However, they provide incredibly stable regulation. > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Hi Bala, > > It's good to see you able to take a break. This is my "project" > 700zxl, so I guess it's the op-amp type.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/5514b37f/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:29:44 -0400 > From: Ben Torre > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK > SA90 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060904212450.037e7170 at ix.netcom.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 12:47 PM 9/4/06, you wrote: > >I am thinking to pick up some Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 from > >Batteries And Butter.Com at $1.25 each. Are these good quality tapes > >worth getting? > > I always had excellent results with SA-90 from the late 1970s up > through the present. I ran into some XL-II cassettes over the last 8 > years or so and have had good results with them as well. Mind you, > this is with several decks... not just the Nak 700II I have. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:56:34 -0700 > From: "Yuri Regelman" > Subject: [naktalk] 680zx level calibration problem > To: Naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <3beaa6a90609042256r1ff19b9ev8cc5bf3ea1ddbc34 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello, > > I'm curious if anyone can provide some insight into the following problem > with the 680zx. Whenever it is switched into calibration mode, the level > meter stops responding. The auto-azimuth works and the 400HZ signal gets > generated. The meter also works in playback and record modes, however in > calibration mode it switches the scale but does not produce the level > readout in neither source nor tape mode. Once in a while it actually shows > level readout for a fraction of a second. Feels like a bad contact or a > cold solder somewhere, but I can't seem to make it correspond to physical > tapping, which may indicate that the problem is not as simple. And even if > it is cold solder, it would be nice to know where to look to zone in on the > problem. If anyone has a hunch, I'd love to hear what you think. > > Thanks, > Yury > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060904/494c0109/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:45:06 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Should I go for these Maxell XLII-S and TDK > SA90 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <44FD2B02.6060704 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > Both are good. The XLII-S are supposedly higher MOL, > equivalent not to the SA, but to the SA-x line. To m > ears, they sound too bright. My personal preferences > for type 2 tapes are XLII, then SA, then XLII-S or > SA-X. YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > yee dan wrote: > > I am thinking to pick up some Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA90 from Batteries > > And Butter.Com at $1.25 each. Are these good quality tapes worth getting? > > > > Many thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Here is the website for the tapes. > > > > http://www.batterie sandbutter. com/Merchant2/ merchant. mvc?Screen= > > PROD&Product_ Code=MAXXLIIS- 90&Category_ Code=ta > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger? low PC-to-Phone call > > rates. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= === message truncated === --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Sep 4 23:28:49 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:28:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes Message-ID: <2F0923FB-B536-49C1-A6D7-71CE3D3EFE85@alumni.caltech.edu> Hi Bala, It's good to see you able to take a break. This is my "project" 700zxl, so I guess it's the op-amp type.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Sep 6 08:34:32 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 23:34:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes Message-ID: <90C2D295-C314-40D8-A342-189312FA40E6@alumni.caltech.edu> Some of this ended up being I forgot I hadn't completely correctly replaced the regulating zener diode in the PS and doing that helped bring the +/- 12 up to +/- 11.25, which still seems a bit low. It was actually higher than I quoted before (but I can't remember all the details right now; I'd basically transposed a couple of digits--but it was definitely between 10 and 11). And there really isn't a 5V supply on this machine, it's a 4.5. That seemed to be a little low for a while but seems marginally OK now. The output at the diodes or the switching transistors in the PS is OK, though, for both the +/- 12 and +4.5 supplies. I'll fiddle with it more later; it is my long-term project/educational machine as it was in pretty poor condition when I got it and does need some parts that it will take a while to get (a RAM chip in particular, and an azimuth wire). I'm not sure the power supply was the actual issue for the capstan motor as the zener has been wrong for a long time and the motor was running. I did notice later that maybe I just had bad eyes; the capstan belt was stretched enough or smooth enough that it just didn't work but it may have been slipping at the capstan pulley rather than on the flywheels, so that seems OK for now. Thanks for the help.-kby From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 6 12:11:10 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 03:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes In-Reply-To: <90C2D295-C314-40D8-A342-189312FA40E6@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060906101110.37944.qmail@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, The 5 volts supply is also derived from the 12 volts line. So there is still a regulation problem there. But at the voltages you give, it will still work. I am waiting for Dean to come back as I would need belts and idlers for my decks. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh 79Labs "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Some of this ended up being I forgot I hadn't completely correctly replaced the regulating zener diode in the PS and doing that helped bring the +/- 12 up to +/- 11.25, which still seems a bit low. It was actually higher than I quoted before (but I can't remember all the details right now; I'd basically transposed a couple of digits--but it was definitely between 10 and 11). And there really isn't a 5V supply on this machine, it's a 4.5. That seemed to be a little low for a while but seems marginally OK now. The output at the diodes or the switching transistors in the PS is OK, though, for both the +/- 12 and +4.5 supplies. I'll fiddle with it more later; it is my long-term project/educational machine as it was in pretty poor condition when I got it and does need some parts that it will take a while to get (a RAM chip in particular, and an azimuth wire). I'm not sure the power supply was the actual issue for the capstan motor as the zener has been wrong for a long time and the motor was running. I did notice later that maybe I just had bad eyes; the capstan belt was stretched enough or smooth enough that it just didn't work but it may have been slipping at the capstan pulley rather than on the flywheels, so that seems OK for now. Thanks for the help.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 6 17:34:17 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:34:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx level calibration problem In-Reply-To: <3beaa6a90609042256r1ff19b9ev8cc5bf3ea1ddbc34@mail.gmail.co m> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060906103417.0082ecf0@earthlink.net> I think the problem would have to be in the tape/source/cal switch. have you cleaned it? tom brucker At 10:56 PM 9/4/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hello, I'm curious if anyone can provide some insight into the following problem with the 680zx. Whenever it is switched into calibration mode, the level meter stops responding. The auto-azimuth works and the 400HZ signal gets generated. The meter also works in playback and record modes, however in calibration mode it switches the scale but does not produce the level readout in neither source nor tape mode. Once in a while it actually shows level readout for a fraction of a second. Feels like a bad contact or a cold solder somewhere, but I can't seem to make it correspond to physical tapping, which may indicate that the problem is not as simple. And even if it is cold solder, it would be nice to know where to look to zone in on the problem. If anyone has a hunch, I'd love to hear what you think. Thanks, Yury ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From N4229K at aol.com Wed Sep 6 19:35:06 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:35:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 "grunts" when you press stop... Message-ID: <363.d960bc8.323060ca@aol.com> In a message dated 9/6/2006 7:28:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, DM2 at marctronixx.com writes: ALL, I have an Rx 505. when I press stop it :grunts: a little when the transport goes back up. Sounds like it could be a lube issue. If it is, what lube oil is recommended and is/are the part(s) difficult to get to. I do have a service manual. Thanks all for the answers… Its the mechanism loader belt. I sell the original and a slightly tighter one which works well in this kind of situation. Either is $7 Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 6 20:14:12 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 11:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 "grunts" when you press stop... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060906181412.44733.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Go to my Nak FAQ page http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html and scroll down to "Noise during mode changes (Nak mechanism only) " Sorry Dean. This one isn't a belt issue. BTW I got that belt you sent be to try on the classic transport capstans. I'll let everyone know the results of that test and if I think it is an acceptable replacement. Scott J. --- DM2 wrote: > ALL, > > I have an Rx 505. when I press stop it :grunts: a little when the > transport > goes back up. Sounds like it could be a lube issue. If it is, what > lube oil > is recommended and is/are the part(s) difficult to get to. I do > have a > service manual. Thanks all for the answers. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From N4229K at aol.com Wed Sep 6 22:19:53 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:19:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 "grunts" when you press stop... Message-ID: In a message dated 9/6/2006 2:15:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: Sorry Dean. This one isn't a belt issue. BTW I got that belt you sent be to try on the classic transport capstans. I'll let everyone know the results of that test and if I think it is an acceptable replacement. Scott J. Let me know what it is as I'm very interested. Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 17:56:31 2006 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:56:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx level calibration problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060906103417.0082ecf0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060906103417.0082ecf0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3beaa6a90609060856t59504c84t320da652364eeccb@mail.gmail.com> I have cleaned it, but it did not make much difference in this case. I've only cleaned it by spraying with contact cleaner and then toggling it. Do you think I should have done something else? Is disassembly required? Thanks, Yury On 9/6/06, Hi Tech wrote: > > I think the problem would have to be in the tape/source/cal switch. have > you cleaned it? > > tom brucker > > At 10:56 PM 9/4/06 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> > Hello, > > I'm curious if anyone can provide some insight into the following problem > with the 680zx. Whenever it is switched into calibration mode, the level > meter stops responding. The auto-azimuth works and the 400HZ signal gets > generated. The meter also works in playback and record modes, however in > calibration mode it switches the scale but does not produce the level > readout in neither source nor tape mode. Once in a while it actually > shows > level readout for a fraction of a second. Feels like a bad contact or a > cold solder somewhere, but I can't seem to make it correspond to physical > tapping, which may indicate that the problem is not as simple. And even > if > it is cold solder, it would be nice to know where to look to zone in on > the > problem. If anyone has a hunch, I'd love to hear what you think. > > Thanks, > Yury > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Wed Sep 6 19:46:24 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:46:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 "grunts" when you press stop... In-Reply-To: <363.d960bc8.323060ca@aol.com> Message-ID: So the belt is just loose or worn eh? Do you take paypal? If so , please email me of list if possible. Thank you! _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of N4229K at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 1:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX 505 "grunts" when you press stop... In a message dated 9/6/2006 7:28:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, DM2 at marctronixx.com writes: ALL, I have an Rx 505. when I press stop it :grunts: a little when the transport goes back up. Sounds like it could be a lube issue. If it is, what lube oil is recommended and is/are the part(s) difficult to get to. I do have a service manual. Thanks all for the answers. Its the mechanism loader belt. I sell the original and a slightly tighter one which works well in this kind of situation. Either is $7 Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Wed Sep 6 22:49:25 2006 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:49:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 "grunts" when you press stop... In-Reply-To: <20060906181412.44733.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott, what kind of oil and should I go ahead an purchase the belt to replace or is that not necessary? Thank you for chiming in. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Scott Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:14 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX 505 "grunts" when you press stop... > > Go to my Nak FAQ page > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > and scroll down to "Noise during mode changes (Nak mechanism only) " > > Sorry Dean. This one isn't a belt issue. BTW I got that belt you > sent be to try on the classic transport capstans. I'll let everyone > know the results of that test and if I think it is an acceptable > replacement. > > Scott J. > > > --- DM2 wrote: > > > ALL, > > > > I have an Rx 505. when I press stop it :grunts: a little when the > > transport > > goes back up. Sounds like it could be a lube issue. If it is, what > > lube oil > > is recommended and is/are the part(s) difficult to get to. I do > > have a > > service manual. Thanks all for the answers. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Sep 7 02:17:07 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] The two BX-2 decks Message-ID: <20060907001707.5753.qmail@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My two BX-2 decks (One silver, one black) just give me problems(And I hate them being 2-heads & unreliable). I wonder if it's worth selling them(No more tape decks in my system) or get them fixed. I DON'T have the money to get a better deck, since they're all over $100 and I spent too much money on electronics(equipment - mostly with problems - AARGH!, components, CDs) lately. I'm selling most of what I bought since 60% of that was either poorly fixed before being sold, not working well or not at all. I don't have enough $$ to get my tuners aligned, or the tape decks. (And I'm trying to get a Thorens TD-124 or 125 turntable) I need : Two pinch rollers, one idler, -maybe- a capstan bearing (If I see that a pinch roller isn't solving problems) Problems: Black BX-2 : Bought serviced, working well for 3 hours, then problems with cam motor : rebuilt, cam OK now, then started eating tapes : drive motor dead spots, rebuilt, drive OK now, scraps tapes, something between capstan and pinch roller not going well, it pushes the tape out of there - looks like pinch roller is in bad condition AND capstan seems to be a bit loose and goes up when pinch roller is touching it. Pinch roller pressure not adjustable, I moved the spring to an other place and was OK, but I don't trust this. I played in it, needs an alignment now...(Plays slower than when I got it) Other problem, record isn't working well, one channel sometimes record, sometimes there's no sound, sometimes it's weak - Orange cap disease?) Silver BX-2 : Can't rewind or ff to the end of the tape, can't play when it's at the beginning of the tape, then it's too slow, capstan slips and there's no torque on the hubs. - Looks like 3rd pinch roller and idler needs to be changed?? Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Thu Sep 7 05:41:19 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:41:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Deck comparison Message-ID: Thanks to those who responded recently on a comparison of LK5 and Cassette Deck 1. I was a little dubious on the condition of the LX-5 which was withdrawn and put back at a higher start. It finally went for 233.50AUS. In the meantime I bid for and won the Cassette Deck 1 for $405AUS. Perhaps a little high but it has had the capstan motor replaced and appears to be in top condition. The seller says he cannot tell the difference with his Dragon. It should do me for a reliable deck. I have yet to repair my other three decks! 581,582, LX3. David From lenaw at flash.net Thu Sep 7 05:44:19 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:44:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Idler Arm Message-ID: <000001c6d22f$e749b0e0$65c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Hi Everybody: My friend's BX-300 has a broken idler arm while changing the idler tire. I have a spare idler arm salvaged from a broken BX-300 transport that I can use to replace the broken one. However, it seems that a lot of stuffs have to be removed before the motor can be removed from the mount if I want to approach from the back of the transport. The idler arm is connected to the shaft of the motor on top by a brass roller. This roller seems to be secured to the shaft of the motor by a small black flat-headed screw. To remove this screw seems to require a " L " shaped screwdriver bit. I think the idler arm can be replaced from the front of the transport if this brass roller can be removed. I wonder where I can be able to find a screwdriver like it and as the same time I do not know whether this approach is the right way to do it. Any advice and suggestion are much appreciated. Regards, Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 05:53:06 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Idler Arm In-Reply-To: <000001c6d22f$e749b0e0$65c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: <20060907035306.67801.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NO this cannot be removed easily without dismantling the entire mechanism. Also replacing the idler arm ( I hope you are referring to the plastic hinged part holding the idler tire bracket) - removing this assembly is very tricky as the assembly is friction fitted ( removing the small balck screw does not help). Kannan lenaw wrote: Hi Everybody: My friend’s BX-300 has a broken idler arm while changing the idler tire. I have a spare idler arm salvaged from a broken BX-300 transport that I can use to replace the broken one. However, it seems that a lot of stuffs have to be removed before the motor can be removed from the mount if I want to approach from the back of the transport. The idler arm is connected to the shaft of the motor on top by a brass roller. This roller seems to be secured to the shaft of the motor by a small black flat-headed screw. To remove this screw seems to require a “ L “ shaped screwdriver bit. I think the idler arm can be replaced from the front of the transport if this brass roller can be removed. I wonder where I can be able to find a screwdriver like it and as the same time I do not know whether this approach is the right way to do it. Any advice and suggestion are much appreciated. 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I have yet to repair my other three decks! 581,582, LX3. David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 06:46:06 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 "grunts" when you press stop... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060907044606.76023.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Any light machine oil will be fine, even motor oil. Only a tiny drop is needed. Only apply it where document NR-0040 says to. Replacing the belt is usually not necessary unless you have a problem going from Stop to Play, like it taking more than a 1/2 second. SJ --- DM2 wrote: > Scott, what kind of oil and should I go ahead an purchase the belt > to > replace or is that not necessary? > > Thank you for chiming in. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On Behalf > > Of Scott Johnson > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:14 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX 505 "grunts" when you press stop... > > > > Go to my Nak FAQ page > > > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > > > and scroll down to "Noise during mode changes (Nak mechanism > only) " > > > > Sorry Dean. This one isn't a belt issue. BTW I got that belt > you > > sent be to try on the classic transport capstans. I'll let > everyone > > know the results of that test and if I think it is an acceptable > > replacement. > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > --- DM2 wrote: > > > > > ALL, > > > > > > I have an Rx 505. when I press stop it :grunts: a little when > the > > > transport > > > goes back up. Sounds like it could be a lube issue. If it is, > what > > > lube oil > > > is recommended and is/are the part(s) difficult to get to. I do > > > have a > > > service manual. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Thu Sep 7 04:31:54 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:31:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes In-Reply-To: <20060906101110.37944.qmail@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060906101110.37944.qmail@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: baLA-HOW HAVE YOU BEEN? hOW IS EVERYTHING? lITTLE bALA jur. ON THE WAY YET? hE WILL BE NAK ENTHUSIAST! aNY REVELATION ON YOUR rECIEVER/INT. AMP? RESPECTFULLY YOURS, GERALD On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:11:10 -0500, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Kimo, > > The 5 volts supply is also derived from the 12 volts > line. So there is still a regulation problem there. But at the voltages > you give, it will still work. I am waiting for Dean to come back as I > would need belts and idlers for my decks. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Some of this ended > up being I forgot I hadn't completely correctly > replaced the regulating zener diode in the PS and doing > that helped bring the +/- 12 up to +/- 11.25, which still seems a bit > low. It was actually higher than I quoted before (but I can't > remember all the details right now; I'd basically transposed a couple > of digits--but it was definitely between 10 and 11). And there > really isn't a 5V supply on this machine, it's a 4.5. That seemed to > be a little low for a while but seems marginally OK now. The output > at the diodes or the switching transistors in the PS is OK, though, > for both the +/- 12 and +4.5 supplies. I'll fiddle with it more > later; it > is my long-term project/educational machine as it was in pretty poor > condition when I got it and does need some parts that it will take > a while to get (a RAM chip in particular, and an azimuth wire). > > I'm not sure the power supply was the actual issue for the capstan > motor as the zener has been wrong for a long time and the motor > was running. I did notice later that maybe I just had bad eyes; the > capstan belt was stretched enough or smooth enough that it just > didn't work but > it may have been slipping at the capstan pulley rather than on the > flywheels, so that seems OK for now. > > Thanks for the help.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. -- From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Thu Sep 7 09:15:58 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 02:15:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL series capstan motor failure modes In-Reply-To: References: <20060906101110.37944.qmail@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: sorry, that was supposed to be a PM. On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:31:54 -0500, jerryjg wrote: > baLA-HOW HAVE YOU BEEN? hOW IS EVERYTHING? lITTLE bALA jur. ON THE > WAY YET? hE WILL BE NAK ENTHUSIAST! aNY REVELATION ON YOUR > rECIEVER/INT. AMP? RESPECTFULLY YOURS, GERALD On Wed, 06 Sep > 2006 05:11:10 -0500, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> Hi Kimo, >> >> The 5 volts supply is also derived from the 12 volts >> line. So there is still a regulation problem there. But at the voltages >> you give, it will still work. I am waiting for Dean to come back as I >> would need belts and idlers for my decks. >> >> Best Regards, >> Bala Ganesh >> 79Labs >> >> "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Some of this >> ended up being I forgot I hadn't completely correctly >> replaced the regulating zener diode in the PS and doing >> that helped bring the +/- 12 up to +/- 11.25, which still seems a bit >> low. It was actually higher than I quoted before (but I can't >> remember all the details right now; I'd basically transposed a couple >> of digits--but it was definitely between 10 and 11). And there >> really isn't a 5V supply on this machine, it's a 4.5. That seemed to >> be a little low for a while but seems marginally OK now. The output >> at the diodes or the switching transistors in the PS is OK, though, >> for both the +/- 12 and +4.5 supplies. I'll fiddle with it more >> later; it >> is my long-term project/educational machine as it was in pretty poor >> condition when I got it and does need some parts that it will take >> a while to get (a RAM chip in particular, and an azimuth wire). >> >> I'm not sure the power supply was the actual issue for the capstan >> motor as the zener has been wrong for a long time and the motor >> was running. I did notice later that maybe I just had bad eyes; the >> capstan belt was stretched enough or smooth enough that it just >> didn't work but >> it may have been slipping at the capstan pulley rather than on the >> flywheels, so that seems OK for now. >> >> Thanks for the help.-kby >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > > > -- From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 7 16:17:08 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:17:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx level calibration problem In-Reply-To: <3beaa6a90609060856t59504c84t320da652364eeccb@mail.gmail.co m> References: <3.0.3.32.20060906103417.0082ecf0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060906103417.0082ecf0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060907091708.00839a10@earthlink.net> The choice of cleaners can make a difference, but, I hope you took the top cover off and used the cleaner's spray stray to get into the switch's contact area. You cannot clean it by spraying through the front panel. Forgive me if this is obvious. tom brucker At 08:56 AM 9/6/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> I have cleaned it, but it did not make much difference in this case. I've only cleaned it by spraying with contact cleaner and then toggling it. Do you think I should have done something else? Is disassembly required? Thanks, Yury On 9/6/06, Hi Tech <hitech77 at earthlink.net> wrote: I think the problem would have to be in the tape/source/cal switch. have you cleaned it? tom brucker At 10:56 PM 9/4/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hello, I'm curious if anyone can provide some insight into the following problem with the 680zx. Whenever it is switched into calibration mode, the level meter stops responding. The auto-azimuth works and the 400HZ signal gets generated. The meter also works in playback and record modes, however in calibration mode it switches the scale but does not produce the level readout in neither source nor tape mode. Once in a while it actually shows level readout for a fraction of a second. Feels like a bad contact or a cold solder somewhere, but I can't seem to make it correspond to physical tapping, which may indicate that the problem is not as simple. And even if it is cold solder, it would be nice to know where to look to zone in on the problem. If anyone has a hunch, I'd love to hear what you think. Thanks, Yury ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 7 16:24:49 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:24:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Idler Arm In-Reply-To: <000001c6d22f$e749b0e0$65c3db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060907092449.0083ac60@earthlink.net> The motor must be removed because the brass pulley is secured with lock paint. You heat the brass with a soldering iron and pry gently, so the motor shaft does not bend. Why not put in the salvaged motor complete, and save the trouble? The entire transport is removed by 3 screws, several connectors, and removing the bottom. tom brucker At 10:44 PM 9/6/06 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Hi Everybody: My friends BX-300 has a broken idler arm while changing the idler tire. I have a spare idler arm salvaged from a broken BX-300 transport that I can use to replace the broken one. However, it seems that a lot of stuffs have to be removed before the motor can be removed from the mount if I want to approach from the back of the transport. The idler arm is connected to the shaft of the motor on top by a brass roller. This roller seems to be secured to the shaft of the motor by a small black flat-headed screw. To remove this screw seems to require a L shaped screwdriver bit. I think the idler arm can be replaced from the front of the transport if this brass roller can be removed. I wonder where I can be able to find a screwdriver like it and as the same time I do not know whether this approach is the right way to do it. Any advice and suggestion are much appreciated. Regards, Michael ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From yregelman at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 20:15:46 2006 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:15:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx level calibration problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060907091708.00839a10@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060906103417.0082ecf0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060907091708.00839a10@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3beaa6a90609071115m5462022bheb20b9736d75567e@mail.gmail.com> :) The cover was definitely off. When I mentioned the disassembly, I meant the switch itself, which I did not dare touch at the time and probably still won't until all the other options are exhausted. The main clue I have to go on is that level indicators on both channels behave exactly the same in Cal. mode. Whenever they decide to kick in for a fraction of a second, they do it at the same time, which suggests a single bad contact or a single point of failure. That by itself can eliminate a lot of potential problem sources. I guess I'll have to spend some time with the schematics and really earn this one... By the way, naktalk is such a great group of people and it is so nice that people are willing to help. I appreciate your answers, Tom. On 9/7/06, Hi Tech wrote: > > The choice of cleaners can make a difference, but, I hope you took the top > cover off and used the cleaner's spray stray to get into the switch's > contact area. You cannot clean it by spraying through the front panel. > Forgive me if this is obvious. > > > tom brucker > > At 08:56 AM 9/6/06 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> > I have cleaned it, but it did not make much difference in this case. I've > only cleaned it by spraying with contact cleaner and then toggling it. Do > you think I should have done something else? Is disassembly required? > Thanks, > > Yury > > > On 9/6/06, Hi Tech <hitech77 at earthlink.net> > wrote: > I think the problem would have to be in the tape/source/cal switch. have > you cleaned it? > > tom brucker > > At 10:56 PM 9/4/06 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> > Hello, > > I'm curious if anyone can provide some insight into the following problem > with the 680zx. Whenever it is switched into calibration mode, the level > meter stops responding. The auto-azimuth works and the 400HZ signal gets > generated. The meter also works in playback and record modes, however in > calibration mode it switches the scale but does not produce the level > readout in neither source nor tape mode. Once in a while it actually > shows > level readout for a fraction of a second. Feels like a bad contact or a > cold solder somewhere, but I can't seem to make it correspond to physical > tapping, which may indicate that the problem is not as simple. And even > if > it is cold solder, it would be nice to know where to look to zone in on > the > problem. If anyone has a hunch, I'd love to hear what you think. > > Thanks, > Yury > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Sep 8 08:56:43 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 08:56:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank is back in business? Message-ID: <4501142B.9030902@peromarta.org> Dear all, Just found this ebay auction Item number: 330026468563, for a CR-7A. Apparently it has been serviced by Mr. Sank himself, according to the yellow signed sticker, on Aug. 23rd 2006. http://www.geocities.com/shiralpatel/1crserial.jpg Is he back in business? Best rgds, LP. From martin at hobbs.wanadoo.co.uk Fri Sep 8 15:26:13 2006 From: martin at hobbs.wanadoo.co.uk (Martin Hobbs) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:26:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Remote for cr 7 Message-ID: <000801c6d34a$5b5d7550$2a244154@martinpshdn6xa> I am looking for anyone out there who has a remote for a Nak CR 7 that is broken or not working. I have a working remote but the casing is cracked as is the stop button.I`d like to get hold of a defective one to use the casing to repair mine. If anyone can help please email. Obviously I`ll pay shipping and a fee. Many thanks Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 8 16:21:33 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:21:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remote for cr 7 In-Reply-To: <000801c6d34a$5b5d7550$2a244154@martinpshdn6xa> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060908092133.00836810@earthlink.net> Why not check with ESL for availibility? tom brucker At 02:26 PM 9/8/06 +0100, you wrote: >>>> I am looking for anyone out there who has a remote for a Nak CR 7 that is broken or not working. I have a working remote but the casing is cracked as is the stop button.I`d like to get hold of a defective one to use the casing to repair mine. If anyone can help please email. Obviously I`ll pay shipping and a fee. Many thanks Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From luis at peromarta.org Fri Sep 8 16:24:52 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:24:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Remote for cr 7 In-Reply-To: <000801c6d34a$5b5d7550$2a244154@martinpshdn6xa> References: <000801c6d34a$5b5d7550$2a244154@martinpshdn6xa> Message-ID: <45017D34.1010309@peromarta.org> There was one on ebay very recently, might still be there ;) rgds, LP. Martin Hobbs escribió: > I am looking for anyone out there who has a remote for a Nak CR 7 that > is broken or not working. I have a working remote but the casing is > cracked as is the stop button.I`d like to get hold of a defective one to > use the casing to repair mine. > If anyone can help please email. > Obviously I`ll pay shipping and a fee. > Many thanks > Martin > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Sep 8 18:06:25 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:06:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: Steve Rudick -Nakamichi Service Technichian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ------- Forwarded message ------- From: jerryjg To: SRuddick at audiotechmontreal Cc: Subject: Re: Steve Ruddick -Nakamichi Service Question Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:36:59 -0500 rtx at ktc.com> wrote: Greetings Nakaficianados; Below is a letter I had sent to Steve Rudick at Audiotech Montreal in Quebec, Canada, but which was never delivered due to the fact that I had the wrong Email address. I have some very exciting news for North American Nakamichi Cassette owners. I was able finally to talk to Steve Rudick, as he took the time to return my phone call( I was able to get the number to his company,Audiotech Montreal" from Montreal directory assistance, or the INET, forget), not once , but twice. I spoke with Steve for about five minutes, and He told me has been a fully qualified and authorized Nakamichi Technichian for many many years. He owns all of the prpoer test and alignment equipment(I felt a little rediculous asking him that-its like asking a Doctor if he has the right equipment to examine you), but he was very gracious and seemed to understand . He has an extensive knowlege of Nakamichi Cassettes, as a matter of fact, he had recently completely overhauled a 1000ZXL. I told him I was considering purchasing a 3 head Nak, and he reccomended the ZX-9 and the 680/2 ZX for me, after listening to what I had in mind. He said he could do the full Sank NAK. modifications that are on Scotts website. He mentioned that one of the obstacles to Nakamichi repair was parts, and I brought up Jeff Galin in connection with that, and he had heard of Jeff. I let him know I was from Wouters Naktalk, and thats where I had originally Located "Audiotech Montreal" a couple of years ago. Looks like we have a new source for Nakamichi repair, Besides Jeff and Tom which to me is fabulous news in this day of diminishing recources for our valued gear. I say lets keep these guys busy! A healthy Nak is a happy Nak! Steve Rudick did invite ME to give him a call anytime to discuss any concerns related to the Nakamichi , and I thought that was a very gracious gesture. Should you wish to Contact Steve Rudick, his Email is srudick at hotmail.com. Thats srudick at hotmail.com. Just be certain to mention Nakamichi service in the subect so it doesnt get trashed by the spam filters. Hope this helps you guys. Maybe Wouter can add a Service/ Parts Page to the Nak. Site? Now I am going to soon be trying to pickup a 3 head Nak. ,to have Steve Rudick do the Sank mods. on. Probably RX505/680/2, or ZX-9. > Hi Steve. my name is Gerald. I had called your number at > Audiotechmontreal. I recieved a call back, but I was unavailable. I am > not certain I have the correct phone number. I am calling Regarding > Nakamichi cassette deck service. I recall that awhile ago you posted on > a website called NAKS.COM, and you had stated, I believe, that you were > available as a qualified Nakamichi repair technichian.I would like to > know if you service Nakamichi decks? As you may know, there are not > many fully qualified Nakamichi cassette deck technichians, and therefore > I am trying to obtain information on all available sources for nakamichi > service. Aside for Jeff Galin in Connecticutt, and Tom Bruker in > Nashville, there are no other service technichians that I am aware of, > in the U.S. or Canada ,that are fully qualified to service and repair > Nakamichi decks. I am not a technichian, but from what I understand the > availabilty of all the Nakamichi test apparatus is fundamental to the > abilty to service these fine machines, and that in itself presents a > problem, because much of these precision test and alignment tools are > very scarce and no longer manufactured. If your company, AUDIOTECH > MONTREAL is another source for repair of the Nakamichi caassette decks, > than that would certainly be welcome and important news to myself, as > well as many others in the nakmaichi enthusiast community. If in fact > you can help service the older Nakamichi cassete decks, then I will make > a post on the Naks.com website and let the guys know. I see posts on the > NAKTALK forum quite often from people looking for qualified repair > technichians in North America. please let me know the best phone number > to reach you at, and what time is best to call.Thank you very much- > Gerald in Texas, USA. > -- From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Sep 8 21:14:08 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: Steve Rudick -Nakamichi Service Technichian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060908191408.60319.qmail@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Great to know that there's a Nak technician around here! My local Nak authorized service center doesn't seem great... jerryjg a écrit : ------- Forwarded message ------- From: jerryjg To: SRuddick at audiotechmontreal Cc: Subject: Re: Steve Ruddick -Nakamichi Service Question Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:36:59 -0500 rtx at ktc.com> wrote: Greetings Nakaficianados; Below is a letter I had sent to Steve Rudick at Audiotech Montreal in Quebec, Canada, but which was never delivered due to the fact that I had the wrong Email address. I have some very exciting news for North American Nakamichi Cassette owners. I was able finally to talk to Steve Rudick, as he took the time to return my phone call( I was able to get the number to his company,Audiotech Montreal" from Montreal directory assistance, or the INET, forget), not once , but twice. I spoke with Steve for about five minutes, and He told me has been a fully qualified and authorized Nakamichi Technichian for many many years. He owns all of the prpoer test and alignment equipment(I felt a little rediculous asking him that-its like asking a Doctor if he has the right equipment to examine you), but he was very gracious and seemed to understand . He has an extensive knowlege of Nakamichi Cassettes, as a matter of fact, he had recently completely overhauled a 1000ZXL. I told him I was considering purchasing a 3 head Nak, and he reccomended the ZX-9 and the 680/2 ZX for me, after listening to what I had in mind. He said he could do the full Sank NAK. modifications that are on Scotts website. He mentioned that one of the obstacles to Nakamichi repair was parts, and I brought up Jeff Galin in connection with that, and he had heard of Jeff. I let him know I was from Wouters Naktalk, and thats where I had originally Located "Audiotech Montreal" a couple of years ago. Looks like we have a new source for Nakamichi repair, Besides Jeff and Tom which to me is fabulous news in this day of diminishing recources for our valued gear. I say lets keep these guys busy! A healthy Nak is a happy Nak! Steve Rudick did invite ME to give him a call anytime to discuss any concerns related to the Nakamichi , and I thought that was a very gracious gesture. Should you wish to Contact Steve Rudick, his Email is srudick at hotmail.com. Thats srudick at hotmail.com. Just be certain to mention Nakamichi service in the subect so it doesnt get trashed by the spam filters. Hope this helps you guys. Maybe Wouter can add a Service/ Parts Page to the Nak. Site? Now I am going to soon be trying to pickup a 3 head Nak. ,to have Steve Rudick do the Sank mods. on. Probably RX505/680/2, or ZX-9. > Hi Steve. my name is Gerald. I had called your number at > Audiotechmontreal. I recieved a call back, but I was unavailable. I am > not certain I have the correct phone number. I am calling Regarding > Nakamichi cassette deck service. I recall that awhile ago you posted on > a website called NAKS.COM, and you had stated, I believe, that you were > available as a qualified Nakamichi repair technichian.I would like to > know if you service Nakamichi decks? As you may know, there are not > many fully qualified Nakamichi cassette deck technichians, and therefore > I am trying to obtain information on all available sources for nakamichi > service. Aside for Jeff Galin in Connecticutt, and Tom Bruker in > Nashville, there are no other service technichians that I am aware of, > in the U.S. or Canada ,that are fully qualified to service and repair > Nakamichi decks. I am not a technichian, but from what I understand the > availabilty of all the Nakamichi test apparatus is fundamental to the > abilty to service these fine machines, and that in itself presents a > problem, because much of these precision test and alignment tools are > very scarce and no longer manufactured. If your company, AUDIOTECH > MONTREAL is another source for repair of the Nakamichi caassette decks, > than that would certainly be welcome and important news to myself, as > well as many others in the nakmaichi enthusiast community. If in fact > you can help service the older Nakamichi cassete decks, then I will make > a post on the Naks.com website and let the guys know. I see posts on the > NAKTALK forum quite often from people looking for qualified repair > technichians in North America. please let me know the best phone number > to reach you at, and what time is best to call.Thank you very much- > Gerald in Texas, USA. > -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Sep 8 21:37:37 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:37:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: Steve Rudick -Nakamichi Service Technichian In-Reply-To: <20060908191408.60319.qmail@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060908191408.60319.qmail@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: HI, Just to make certain you all know that the email for Steve Rudick at Audiotechmontreal is not the one that is on the header to my Naktalk post. That ust forwarded to Naktalk from a failed delivery. Steve Rudick's email is srudick at hotmail.com. Thanks Antoine, I should have deleted the wrong email. On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:14:08 -0500, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Great to know that there's a Nak technician around here! My local Nak > authorized service center doesn't seem great... > > > jerryjg a écrit : > > ------- Forwarded message ------- > From: jerryjg > To: SRuddick at audiotechmontreal > Cc: > Subject: Re: Steve Ruddick -Nakamichi Service Question > Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:36:59 -0500 > rtx at ktc.com> wrote: > Greetings Nakaficianados; Below is a letter I had sent to Steve Rudick at > Audiotech Montreal in Quebec, Canada, but which was never delivered due > to > the fact that I had the wrong Email address. I have some very exciting > news for North American Nakamichi Cassette owners. I was able finally to > talk to Steve Rudick, as he took the time to return my phone call( I was > able to get the number to his company,Audiotech Montreal" from Montreal > directory assistance, or the INET, forget), not once , but twice. I spoke > with Steve for about five minutes, and He told me has been a fully > qualified and authorized Nakamichi Technichian for many many years. He > owns all of the prpoer test and alignment equipment(I felt a little > rediculous asking him that-its like asking a Doctor if he has the right > equipment to examine you), but he was very gracious and seemed to > understand . He has an extensive knowlege of Nakamichi Cassettes, as a > matter of fact, he had recently completely overhauled a 1000ZXL. I told > him I was considering purchasing a 3 head Nak, and he reccomended the > ZX-9 > and the 680/2 ZX for me, after listening to what I had in mind. He said > he could do the full Sank NAK. modifications that are on Scotts website. > He mentioned that one of the obstacles to Nakamichi repair was parts, and > I brought up Jeff Galin in connection with that, and he had heard of > Jeff. > I let him know I was from Wouters Naktalk, and thats where I had > originally Located "Audiotech Montreal" a couple of years ago. Looks > like > we have a new source for Nakamichi repair, Besides Jeff and Tom which to > me is fabulous news in this day of diminishing recources for our valued > gear. I say lets keep these guys busy! A healthy Nak is a happy Nak! > Steve Rudick did invite ME to give him a call anytime to discuss any > concerns related to the Nakamichi , and I thought that was a very > gracious > gesture. Should you wish to Contact Steve Rudick, his Email is > srudick at hotmail.com. Thats srudick at hotmail.com. Just be certain to > mention > Nakamichi service in the subect so it doesnt get trashed by the spam > filters. Hope this helps you guys. Maybe Wouter can add a Service/ Parts > Page to the Nak. Site? Now I am going to soon be trying to pickup a 3 > head > Nak. ,to have Steve Rudick do the Sank mods. on. Probably RX505/680/2, or > ZX-9. > >> Hi Steve. my name is Gerald. I had called your number at >> Audiotechmontreal. I recieved a call back, but I was unavailable. I am >> not certain I have the correct phone number. I am calling Regarding >> Nakamichi cassette deck service. I recall that awhile ago you posted on >> a website called NAKS.COM, and you had stated, I believe, that you were >> available as a qualified Nakamichi repair technichian.I would like to >> know if you service Nakamichi decks? As you may know, there are not >> many fully qualified Nakamichi cassette deck technichians, and therefore >> I am trying to obtain information on all available sources for nakamichi >> service. Aside for Jeff Galin in Connecticutt, and Tom Bruker in >> Nashville, there are no other service technichians that I am aware of, >> in the U.S. or Canada ,that are fully qualified to service and repair >> Nakamichi decks. I am not a technichian, but from what I understand the >> availabilty of all the Nakamichi test apparatus is fundamental to the >> abilty to service these fine machines, and that in itself presents a >> problem, because much of these precision test and alignment tools are >> very scarce and no longer manufactured. If your company, AUDIOTECH >> MONTREAL is another source for repair of the Nakamichi caassette decks, >> than that would certainly be welcome and important news to myself, as >> well as many others in the nakmaichi enthusiast community. If in fact >> you can help service the older Nakamichi cassete decks, then I will make >> a post on the Naks.com website and let the guys know. I see posts on the >> NAKTALK forum quite often from people looking for qualified repair >> technichians in North America. please let me know the best phone number >> to reach you at, and what time is best to call.Thank you very much- >> Gerald in Texas, USA. >> > > > -- From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Sep 9 12:04:34 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:04:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt Message-ID: Dear Wouter, That's is NEW for me!!!! I hope that still in "Good" shape?, as I think, that will be "NOT" so easy to change it, today I play as always (Till I will change my received "Cams" belt"...only ONE side of a 90 minutes cassette, & the "Auto Azimuth"...works fast & precise...sot ill now the belt seems me OK? Thank you so much Wouter, & be always very well! Peace, ALEX! > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:45:57 +0200> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon auto azimuth belt> From: wheijke at xs4all.nl> To: naktalk at naks.com> > Yes Alex, it's sad but true.... There is a 3rd belt inside the AutoAzimuth> unit...> > Wouter> > > Hi; to all of you!> >> > Reading the Wouter problem, to my knowledge Dragon have ONLY two belts,> > the> > Cams one (Which I need to change..when I will feel well!), and the second> > one that I named "Counter Belt"...exist another one...that I don't recall?> >> > Cheers,> >> > ALEX!> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 20:19:46 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:19:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rumbling Noise: IS it the idler tyre ? Message-ID: Hi all When a tape starts reaching the end, i start hearing a rumbling noise ... this is not present when the tape is towards the beginning .. Is it because of the idler tyre ? Any help appreciated Regards Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Tried the new MSN Messenger? It�s cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 8 22:48:18 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:48:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: Steve Rudick -Nakamichi Service Technichian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060908154818.00833210@earthlink.net> At 11:06 AM 9/8/06 -0500, you wrote: Gerald, Great news. Did you by any chance urge him to join NakTalk? To me this is the single greatest Nakamichi asset. You all will probably tire of hearing me say this, but until I joined I thought no one cared about cassette. The other good news is that Canada might have reasonable postal rates to the UK. It is prohibitively expensive to ship to the US from Canada. NakTalk is an international community. tom brucker > > >------- Forwarded message ------- >From: jerryjg >To: SRuddick at audiotechmontreal >Cc: >Subject: Re: Steve Ruddick -Nakamichi Service Question >Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:36:59 -0500 >rtx at ktc.com> wrote: >Greetings Nakaficianados; Below is a letter I had sent to Steve Rudick at >Audiotech Montreal in Quebec, Canada, but which was never delivered due to >the fact that I had the wrong Email address. I have some very exciting >news for North American Nakamichi Cassette owners. I was able finally to >talk to Steve Rudick, as he took the time to return my phone call( I was >able to get the number to his company,Audiotech Montreal" from Montreal >directory assistance, or the INET, forget), not once , but twice. I spoke >with Steve for about five minutes, and He told me has been a fully >qualified and authorized Nakamichi Technichian for many many years. He >owns all of the prpoer test and alignment equipment(I felt a little >rediculous asking him that-its like asking a Doctor if he has the right >equipment to examine you), but he was very gracious and seemed to >understand . He has an extensive knowlege of Nakamichi Cassettes, as a >matter of fact, he had recently completely overhauled a 1000ZXL. I told >him I was considering purchasing a 3 head Nak, and he reccomended the ZX-9 >and the 680/2 ZX for me, after listening to what I had in mind. He said >he could do the full Sank NAK. modifications that are on Scotts website. >He mentioned that one of the obstacles to Nakamichi repair was parts, and >I brought up Jeff Galin in connection with that, and he had heard of Jeff. >I let him know I was from Wouters Naktalk, and thats where I had >originally Located "Audiotech Montreal" a couple of years ago. Looks like >we have a new source for Nakamichi repair, Besides Jeff and Tom which to >me is fabulous news in this day of diminishing recources for our valued >gear. I say lets keep these guys busy! A healthy Nak is a happy Nak! >Steve Rudick did invite ME to give him a call anytime to discuss any >concerns related to the Nakamichi , and I thought that was a very gracious >gesture. Should you wish to Contact Steve Rudick, his Email is >srudick at hotmail.com. Thats srudick at hotmail.com. Just be certain to mention >Nakamichi service in the subect so it doesnt get trashed by the spam >filters. Hope this helps you guys. Maybe Wouter can add a Service/ Parts >Page to the Nak. Site? Now I am going to soon be trying to pickup a 3 head >Nak. ,to have Steve Rudick do the Sank mods. on. Probably RX505/680/2, or >ZX-9. > >> Hi Steve. my name is Gerald. I had called your number at >> Audiotechmontreal. I recieved a call back, but I was unavailable. I am >> not certain I have the correct phone number. I am calling Regarding >> Nakamichi cassette deck service. I recall that awhile ago you posted on >> a website called NAKS.COM, and you had stated, I believe, that you were >> available as a qualified Nakamichi repair technichian.I would like to >> know if you service Nakamichi decks? As you may know, there are not >> many fully qualified Nakamichi cassette deck technichians, and therefore >> I am trying to obtain information on all available sources for nakamichi >> service. Aside for Jeff Galin in Connecticutt, and Tom Bruker in >> Nashville, there are no other service technichians that I am aware of, >> in the U.S. or Canada ,that are fully qualified to service and repair >> Nakamichi decks. I am not a technichian, but from what I understand the >> availabilty of all the Nakamichi test apparatus is fundamental to the >> abilty to service these fine machines, and that in itself presents a >> problem, because much of these precision test and alignment tools are >> very scarce and no longer manufactured. If your company, AUDIOTECH >> MONTREAL is another source for repair of the Nakamichi caassette decks, >> than that would certainly be welcome and important news to myself, as >> well as many others in the nakmaichi enthusiast community. If in fact >> you can help service the older Nakamichi cassete decks, then I will make >> a post on the Naks.com website and let the guys know. I see posts on the >> NAKTALK forum quite often from people looking for qualified repair >> technichians in North America. please let me know the best phone number >> to reach you at, and what time is best to call.Thank you very much- >> Gerald in Texas, USA. >> > > > >-- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 17:52:30 2006 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:52:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: Steve Rudick -Nakamichi Service Technichian In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060908154818.00833210@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060908154818.00833210@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <518b7b10609110852x53f23c99l2127a193523ca92@mail.gmail.com> Tom, Steve Rudick was a member of Naktalk, I remember seeing posts from him. Whether he still is, I don't know, but he is definitely aware of our existence. George On 9/8/06, Hi Tech wrote: > At 11:06 AM 9/8/06 -0500, you wrote: > Gerald, > Great news. Did you by any chance urge him to join NakTalk? To me this is > the single greatest Nakamichi asset. You all will probably tire of hearing > me say this, but until I joined I thought no one cared about cassette. The > other good news is that Canada might have reasonable postal rates to the > UK. It is prohibitively expensive to ship to the US from Canada. NakTalk is > an international community. > > tom brucker > > > > > > > >------- Forwarded message ------- > >From: jerryjg > >To: SRuddick at audiotechmontreal > >Cc: > >Subject: Re: Steve Ruddick -Nakamichi Service Question > >Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:36:59 -0500 > >rtx at ktc.com> wrote: > >Greetings Nakaficianados; Below is a letter I had sent to Steve Rudick at > >Audiotech Montreal in Quebec, Canada, but which was never delivered due to > >the fact that I had the wrong Email address. I have some very exciting > >news for North American Nakamichi Cassette owners. I was able finally to > >talk to Steve Rudick, as he took the time to return my phone call( I was > >able to get the number to his company,Audiotech Montreal" from Montreal > >directory assistance, or the INET, forget), not once , but twice. I spoke > >with Steve for about five minutes, and He told me has been a fully > >qualified and authorized Nakamichi Technichian for many many years. He > >owns all of the prpoer test and alignment equipment(I felt a little > >rediculous asking him that-its like asking a Doctor if he has the right > >equipment to examine you), but he was very gracious and seemed to > >understand . He has an extensive knowlege of Nakamichi Cassettes, as a > >matter of fact, he had recently completely overhauled a 1000ZXL. I told > >him I was considering purchasing a 3 head Nak, and he reccomended the ZX-9 > >and the 680/2 ZX for me, after listening to what I had in mind. He said > >he could do the full Sank NAK. modifications that are on Scotts website. > >He mentioned that one of the obstacles to Nakamichi repair was parts, and > >I brought up Jeff Galin in connection with that, and he had heard of Jeff. > >I let him know I was from Wouters Naktalk, and thats where I had > >originally Located "Audiotech Montreal" a couple of years ago. Looks like > >we have a new source for Nakamichi repair, Besides Jeff and Tom which to > >me is fabulous news in this day of diminishing recources for our valued > >gear. I say lets keep these guys busy! A healthy Nak is a happy Nak! > >Steve Rudick did invite ME to give him a call anytime to discuss any > >concerns related to the Nakamichi , and I thought that was a very gracious > >gesture. Should you wish to Contact Steve Rudick, his Email is > >srudick at hotmail.com. Thats srudick at hotmail.com. Just be certain to mention > >Nakamichi service in the subect so it doesnt get trashed by the spam > >filters. Hope this helps you guys. Maybe Wouter can add a Service/ Parts > >Page to the Nak. Site? Now I am going to soon be trying to pickup a 3 head > >Nak. ,to have Steve Rudick do the Sank mods. on. Probably RX505/680/2, or > >ZX-9. > > > >> Hi Steve. my name is Gerald. I had called your number at > >> Audiotechmontreal. I recieved a call back, but I was unavailable. I am > >> not certain I have the correct phone number. I am calling Regarding > >> Nakamichi cassette deck service. I recall that awhile ago you posted on > >> a website called NAKS.COM, and you had stated, I believe, that you were > >> available as a qualified Nakamichi repair technichian.I would like to > >> know if you service Nakamichi decks? As you may know, there are not > >> many fully qualified Nakamichi cassette deck technichians, and therefore > >> I am trying to obtain information on all available sources for nakamichi > >> service. Aside for Jeff Galin in Connecticutt, and Tom Bruker in > >> Nashville, there are no other service technichians that I am aware of, > >> in the U.S. or Canada ,that are fully qualified to service and repair > >> Nakamichi decks. I am not a technichian, but from what I understand the > >> availabilty of all the Nakamichi test apparatus is fundamental to the > >> abilty to service these fine machines, and that in itself presents a > >> problem, because much of these precision test and alignment tools are > >> very scarce and no longer manufactured. If your company, AUDIOTECH > >> MONTREAL is another source for repair of the Nakamichi caassette decks, > >> than that would certainly be welcome and important news to myself, as > >> well as many others in the nakmaichi enthusiast community. If in fact > >> you can help service the older Nakamichi cassete decks, then I will make > >> a post on the Naks.com website and let the guys know. I see posts on the > >> NAKTALK forum quite often from people looking for qualified repair > >> technichians in North America. please let me know the best phone number > >> to reach you at, and what time is best to call.Thank you very much- > >> Gerald in Texas, USA. > >> > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 11 18:18:36 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: Steve Rudick -Nakamichi Service Technichian In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060908154818.00833210@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060911161836.71904.qmail@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I have a Nak MR1 that I believe needs a bias adjustment. Does anyone know which pots for the adjustments and are there seperate adjustments for each tape type positions? I haven't been able to locate a service manual. More people would still be using cassettes if they had a NAK! Bob Hi Tech wrote: At 11:06 AM 9/8/06 -0500, you wrote: Gerald, Great news. Did you by any chance urge him to join NakTalk? To me this is the single greatest Nakamichi asset. You all will probably tire of hearing me say this, but until I joined I thought no one cared about cassette. The other good news is that Canada might have reasonable postal rates to the UK. It is prohibitively expensive to ship to the US from Canada. NakTalk is an international community. tom brucker > > >------- Forwarded message ------- >From: jerryjg >To: SRuddick at audiotechmontreal >Cc: >Subject: Re: Steve Ruddick -Nakamichi Service Question >Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:36:59 -0500 >rtx at ktc.com> wrote: >Greetings Nakaficianados; Below is a letter I had sent to Steve Rudick at >Audiotech Montreal in Quebec, Canada, but which was never delivered due to >the fact that I had the wrong Email address. I have some very exciting >news for North American Nakamichi Cassette owners. I was able finally to >talk to Steve Rudick, as he took the time to return my phone call( I was >able to get the number to his company,Audiotech Montreal" from Montreal >directory assistance, or the INET, forget), not once , but twice. I spoke >with Steve for about five minutes, and He told me has been a fully >qualified and authorized Nakamichi Technichian for many many years. He >owns all of the prpoer test and alignment equipment(I felt a little >rediculous asking him that-its like asking a Doctor if he has the right >equipment to examine you), but he was very gracious and seemed to >understand . He has an extensive knowlege of Nakamichi Cassettes, as a >matter of fact, he had recently completely overhauled a 1000ZXL. I told >him I was considering purchasing a 3 head Nak, and he reccomended the ZX-9 >and the 680/2 ZX for me, after listening to what I had in mind. He said >he could do the full Sank NAK. modifications that are on Scotts website. >He mentioned that one of the obstacles to Nakamichi repair was parts, and >I brought up Jeff Galin in connection with that, and he had heard of Jeff. >I let him know I was from Wouters Naktalk, and thats where I had >originally Located "Audiotech Montreal" a couple of years ago. Looks like >we have a new source for Nakamichi repair, Besides Jeff and Tom which to >me is fabulous news in this day of diminishing recources for our valued >gear. I say lets keep these guys busy! A healthy Nak is a happy Nak! >Steve Rudick did invite ME to give him a call anytime to discuss any >concerns related to the Nakamichi , and I thought that was a very gracious >gesture. Should you wish to Contact Steve Rudick, his Email is >srudick at hotmail.com. Thats srudick at hotmail.com. Just be certain to mention >Nakamichi service in the subect so it doesnt get trashed by the spam >filters. Hope this helps you guys. Maybe Wouter can add a Service/ Parts >Page to the Nak. Site? Now I am going to soon be trying to pickup a 3 head >Nak. ,to have Steve Rudick do the Sank mods. on. Probably RX505/680/2, or >ZX-9. > >> Hi Steve. my name is Gerald. I had called your number at >> Audiotechmontreal. I recieved a call back, but I was unavailable. I am >> not certain I have the correct phone number. I am calling Regarding >> Nakamichi cassette deck service. I recall that awhile ago you posted on >> a website called NAKS.COM, and you had stated, I believe, that you were >> available as a qualified Nakamichi repair technichian.I would like to >> know if you service Nakamichi decks? As you may know, there are not >> many fully qualified Nakamichi cassette deck technichians, and therefore >> I am trying to obtain information on all available sources for nakamichi >> service. Aside for Jeff Galin in Connecticutt, and Tom Bruker in >> Nashville, there are no other service technichians that I am aware of, >> in the U.S. or Canada ,that are fully qualified to service and repair >> Nakamichi decks. I am not a technichian, but from what I understand the >> availabilty of all the Nakamichi test apparatus is fundamental to the >> abilty to service these fine machines, and that in itself presents a >> problem, because much of these precision test and alignment tools are >> very scarce and no longer manufactured. If your company, AUDIOTECH >> MONTREAL is another source for repair of the Nakamichi caassette decks, >> than that would certainly be welcome and important news to myself, as >> well as many others in the nakmaichi enthusiast community. If in fact >> you can help service the older Nakamichi cassete decks, then I will make >> a post on the Naks.com website and let the guys know. I see posts on the >> NAKTALK forum quite often from people looking for qualified repair >> technichians in North America. please let me know the best phone number >> to reach you at, and what time is best to call.Thank you very much- >> Gerald in Texas, USA. >> > > > >-- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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It was sold as "spares or repair" and I paid less than the sterling equivalent of 50 dollars so it seemed like a risk worth taking. It's not as clean as my other BX (apart from the facia which is almost perfect apart from the wear on some buttons) and I don't think an idler tire swap will get this baby humming... Here's what happens - deck powers up fine and makes no unexpected noises but the take up reel doesn't turn when you press play and the deck stops with a "clunk" instead of the whisper you hear when the tire gives up. The same happens if you try to wind in either direction. The take up reel doesn't even turn when there's no tape in there which suggests that the physical resistance of the tape spools is not a factor. Somewhere buried in the Naktalk mails I've filed away I think I've read about cam motor problems on the BX. If anyone has a minute to point me in the right direction as far as problem determination I'd be so grateful. Sadly I can't register this deck on Naks.com because someone remove the serial number tag. Yeah, I wondered if it was stolen too... Thanks Chris From N4229K at aol.com Tue Sep 12 11:45:20 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:45:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] need new control motor for rx-202 Message-ID: <323.b9fe275.3237dbb0@aol.com> I think I have one. send me the number on it Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Tue Sep 12 14:45:22 2006 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - Here I go again... In-Reply-To: <20060912075429.8748.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060912124522.66426.qmail@web50001.mail.yahoo.com> hi all I think that is the deck I would like to end up with aswell. Maybe I will get lucky on ebay. --- Chris Mann wrote: > When I bought my BX-300E on eBay some months ago and > did the idler tire swap I really fell in love with > the > sound of this deck. > > So, I bought another one. Oh dear. It was sold as > "spares or repair" and I paid less than the sterling > equivalent of 50 dollars so it seemed like a risk > worth taking. > > It's not as clean as my other BX (apart from the > facia > which is almost perfect apart from the wear on some > buttons) and I don't think an idler tire swap will > get > this baby humming... > > Here's what happens - deck powers up fine and makes > no > unexpected noises but the take up reel doesn't turn > when you press play and the deck stops with a > "clunk" > instead of the whisper you hear when the tire gives > up. The same happens if you try to wind in either > direction. The take up reel doesn't even turn when > there's no tape in there which suggests that the > physical resistance of the tape spools is not a > factor. > > Somewhere buried in the Naktalk mails I've filed > away > I think I've read about cam motor problems on the > BX. > If anyone has a minute to point me in the right > direction as far as problem determination I'd be so > grateful. > > Sadly I can't register this deck on Naks.com because > someone remove the serial number tag. Yeah, I > wondered > if it was stolen too... > > Thanks > > Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 12 15:01:45 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:01:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - Here I go again... In-Reply-To: <20060912075429.8748.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060912075429.8748.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4506AFB9.7080206@rcn.com> As to be expected for a deck that was sold for 'parts or repair', your deck needs some repairs. It sounds like it has multiple problems -- idler tire, or reel motor, or control motor, or any combination thereof -- that must be solved before it can even be evaluated further. I would assume that the seller investigated all options and found that selling the deck was the best one FOR THEM. If you are determined to resurrect the deck, I would suggest you start with the control motor. Check it for correct operation (how to to this has been suggest here many times) and repair or replace if necessary. Once correct mode selection is achieved, replace the the idler tire, then clean and lubricate that portion of the transport, to achieve correct FF REW operation. Then, check takeup action in PLAY and adjust, repair or replace the reel motor as necessary. All the above could be a trivial 15 minute job, or a major repair, depending on what you find when you open the beast up. Once the transport is working propriety, you will be able to continue into the electronics and check (and repair as necessary) the electronics -- first, PB, then REC. Good luck, -- Ron Chris Mann wrote: > When I bought my BX-300E on eBay some months ago and > did the idler tire swap I really fell in love with the > sound of this deck. > > So, I bought another one. Oh dear. It was sold as > "spares or repair" and I paid less than the sterling > equivalent of 50 dollars so it seemed like a risk > worth taking. > > It's not as clean as my other BX (apart from the facia > which is almost perfect apart from the wear on some > buttons) and I don't think an idler tire swap will get > this baby humming... > > Here's what happens - deck powers up fine and makes no > unexpected noises but the take up reel doesn't turn > when you press play and the deck stops with a "clunk" > instead of the whisper you hear when the tire gives > up. The same happens if you try to wind in either > direction. The take up reel doesn't even turn when > there's no tape in there which suggests that the > physical resistance of the tape spools is not a > factor. > > Somewhere buried in the Naktalk mails I've filed away > I think I've read about cam motor problems on the BX. > If anyone has a minute to point me in the right > direction as far as problem determination I'd be so > grateful. > > Sadly I can't register this deck on Naks.com because > someone remove the serial number tag. Yeah, I wondered > if it was stolen too... > > Thanks > > Chris From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 12 15:23:45 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:23:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:MR1 bias In-Reply-To: <20060911161836.71904.qmail@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060908154818.00833210@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060912082345.0083a610@earthlink.net> Bob, When you change the subject within a thread it is called hijacking. Note how I changed the subject. You will get better response by starting a new thread. There are 6 bias and 6 rec. level calibration pots 2 each for EX, SX, and ZX tape. The circuit boards are labeled. You also need an oscillator, AC voltmeter, and confidence that the play alignment and head alignments are proper. You can use a BX 300 manual for the tape alignments. tom brucker At 09:18 AM 9/11/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi, I have a Nak MR1 that I believe needs a bias adjustment. Does anyone know which pots for the adjustments and are there seperate adjustments for each tape type positions? I haven't been able to locate a service manual. More people would still be using cassettes if they had a NAK! Bob Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From tomas at tlec.se Tue Sep 12 19:27:54 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:27:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FS: BX125E Message-ID: Anyone interested? From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 12 18:37:49 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:MR1 bias In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060912082345.0083a610@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060912163750.47584.qmail@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I will change the subject from now on. I should have known better. I do have access to a scope. I am confident that the play head is in alignment since tapes played that were recorded on my Nak 1.5 sound great. I lose the highs on the MR1 recordings with all types of tape but recording on "normal bias" tapes sound the best(Maxell). I have cleaned and de-magged so that's not the problem. Any other ideas? Thank you very much! Bob (No. CA) Hi Tech wrote: Bob, When you change the subject within a thread it is called hijacking. Note how I changed the subject. You will get better response by starting a new thread. There are 6 bias and 6 rec. level calibration pots 2 each for EX, SX, and ZX tape. The circuit boards are labeled. You also need an oscillator, AC voltmeter, and confidence that the play alignment and head alignments are proper. You can use a BX 300 manual for the tape alignments. tom brucker At 09:18 AM 9/11/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi, I have a Nak MR1 that I believe needs a bias adjustment. Does anyone know which pots for the adjustments and are there seperate adjustments for each tape type positions? I haven't been able to locate a service manual. More people would still be using cassettes if they had a NAK! Bob Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Tue Sep 12 23:31:56 2006 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FS: BX125E In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060912213156.65201.qmail@web82013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, Is this the black or silver one? Good working condition I presume? Jesse --- Tomas Larsson wrote: > Anyone interested? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From careynall at careysmusic.com Wed Sep 13 01:43:16 2006 From: careynall at careysmusic.com (careynall at careysmusic.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:43:16 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [naktalk] need new control motor for rx-202 Message-ID: <63521.72.174.188.215.1158104596.squirrel@www.careysmusic.com> hi Dean, there are 2 numbers on the control motor: VA700B04 and 70306-A I don't know which is the actual part number. if you can help me out thatr would be great. thanks for the reply Carey -- mitakuye oyasin (we are all related) On Tue, September 12, 2006 3:45 am, N4229K at aol.com wrote: > I think I have one. send me the number on it > Dean > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 13 12:40:53 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:40:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E - Here I go again... In-Reply-To: <200609131001.k8DA0Mkc011309@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060913104053.70531.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Ron I truly appreciate your advice - I just knew from the first bit of tape-munching that this wasn't going to be like my first BX and much more TLC may be needed. As you say, some of this is old ground to go over and I'll be backtracking numerous threads I've seen. At 47, I've realised that I want to know how to read circuit diagrams and wield a soldering iron. I have a "dead" Yamaha DVD S540 to practice on... So, I plan to do some learning and resurrect the deck to the best of my ability. It will be slow, there's no doubt - last night I listened to my working deck to encourage me. I neglected to mention that the mains cable had been broken and soldered/taped so I'll be looking to replace that too. If I fail on all these counts, my first option will be to list everything I tried and offer the deck in the DONATE section. This deck will certainly *not* be turning up on eBay. Thanks again. Chris From N4229K at aol.com Wed Sep 13 13:41:24 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:41:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] need new control motor for rx-202 Message-ID: <4ba.7de8d580.32394864@aol.com> In a message dated 9/13/2006 3:24:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, careynall at careysmusic.com writes: hi Dean, there are 2 numbers on the control motor: VA700B04 and 70306-A I don't know which is the actual part number. if you can help me out thatr would be great. thanks for the reply Carey -- mitakuye oyasin (we are all related) Hi Carey: I did not find the motor but I know I have them. I'm still organizing from the move and my vintage falls in last place at this point. I did find a whole transport (heads and all) -- plug and play but prefer not to sell it if I can find the part for you. I'll be away for a week so I can resume search then Regards, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 13 16:45:30 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:45:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:MR1 bias In-Reply-To: <20060912163750.47584.qmail@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060912082345.0083a610@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060913094530.00833c90@earthlink.net> An AC voltmeter is really much better than a scope. You also need an oscillator. I would try recording with TDK SA. You may be using tape that has very different bias and level points. The other possibility is the machine was rebiased for some studio's bulk packed blank tape. tom brucker At 09:37 AM 9/12/06 -0700, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Tom, I will change the subject from now on. I should have known better. I do have access to a scope. I am confident that the play head is in alignment since tapes played that were recorded on my Nak 1.5 sound great. I lose the highs on the MR1 recordings with all types of tape but recording on "normal bias" tapes sound the best(Maxell). I have cleaned and de-magged so that's not the problem. Any other ideas? Thank you very much! Bob (No. CA) Hi Tech wrote: Bob, When you change the subject within a thread it is called hijacking. Note how I changed the subject. You will get better response by starting a new thread. There are 6 bias and 6 rec. level calibration pots 2 each for EX, SX, and ZX tape. The circuit boards are labeled. You also need an oscillator, AC voltmeter, and confidence that the play alignment and head alignments are proper. You can use a BX 300 manual for the tape alignments. tom brucker At 09:18 AM 9/11/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi, I have a Nak MR1 that I believe needs a bias adjustment. Does anyone know which pots for the adjustments and are there seperate adjustments for each tape type positions? I haven't been able to locate a service manual. More people would still be using cassettes if they had a NAK! Bob Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 13 17:42:31 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:MR1 bias In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060913094530.00833c90@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060913154231.10723.qmail@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I also did try a TDK type 2 with the same results. I believe you're right about the deck biased for somethng else in it's past. Inside the MR1 there's a small circuit board on one side that's mounted in the vertical position with 6 pots labeled VRx, L & R. I don't know if those are levels or bias. I appreciate your help! Bob Hi Tech wrote: An AC voltmeter is really much better than a scope. You also need an oscillator. I would try recording with TDK SA. You may be using tape that has very different bias and level points. The other possibility is the machine was rebiased for some studio's bulk packed blank tape. tom brucker At 09:37 AM 9/12/06 -0700, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Tom, I will change the subject from now on. I should have known better. I do have access to a scope. I am confident that the play head is in alignment since tapes played that were recorded on my Nak 1.5 sound great. I lose the highs on the MR1 recordings with all types of tape but recording on "normal bias" tapes sound the best(Maxell). I have cleaned and de-magged so that's not the problem. Any other ideas? Thank you very much! Bob (No. CA) Hi Tech wrote: Bob, When you change the subject within a thread it is called hijacking. Note how I changed the subject. You will get better response by starting a new thread. There are 6 bias and 6 rec. level calibration pots 2 each for EX, SX, and ZX tape. The circuit boards are labeled. You also need an oscillator, AC voltmeter, and confidence that the play alignment and head alignments are proper. You can use a BX 300 manual for the tape alignments. tom brucker At 09:18 AM 9/11/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi, I have a Nak MR1 that I believe needs a bias adjustment. Does anyone know which pots for the adjustments and are there seperate adjustments for each tape type positions? I haven't been able to locate a service manual. More people would still be using cassettes if they had a NAK! Bob Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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He did a full calibration and tune-up and replaced the more commonly failing orange caps, all for $120 including shipping. He admitted that things had gotten quite "dysfunctional" (his word) in New Mexico since his auto accident and the unexpected closing of the shop where he worked. But now he's moved to Arizona, has a much better work- space and, apparently, is getting caught up. He was very apologetic and genuinely appreciated the patience I'd shown him. He communicated with me very well, sending an email with the totals, and then another with tracking numbers when the decks shipped. The only down side is I have yet to receive a detailed invoice of the exact work done. He's promised to send one, however. So, all's that ends well, it seems. Hopefully we now have another experienced Nak tech to call on to keep our babies running. cheers, Fred From spamfilter at netzidiot.de Fri Sep 15 10:52:45 2006 From: spamfilter at netzidiot.de (spamfilter at netzidiot.de) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:52:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Bought DRAGON off eBay - calibration problems Message-ID: <450A69DD.5040005@netzidiot.de> Hi, I bought a 1988 Nakamichi Dragon off eBay last week. Everything works fine. However, calibrating the BIAS is impossible. Even if I turn both knobs all the way up the meters are only flickering, lighting up about three or four segments on each side. It does sound good (phenomenal bass), but tape/source switching reveals that the upper frequencies are recorded not quite as brilliant.The differences are subtle, but they are there. Perhaps its just me - my other deck is an LX-3 which sure is a tad on the bright sind. Any suggestions? Arne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Sep 15 12:50:28 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:50:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Bought DRAGON off eBay - calibration problems In-Reply-To: <450A69DD.5040005@netzidiot.de> References: <450A69DD.5040005@netzidiot.de> Message-ID: <450A8574.9080902@peromarta.org> As usual, good clening, good demag, to begin with. Is this happening with all tapes? All types? Do prerecorded tapes sound bad too or only those you record? If problem persists we shall consider mechanical and / or electrical calibration, like track alignmet. Service manual, rms voltmeter and calibration tapes are a must. By the way, I sell nice sets of cal tapes ;), and could get you a copy of the dragon service manual. Best rgds, LP. spamfilter at netzidiot.de escribió: > Hi, > > I bought a 1988 Nakamichi Dragon off eBay last week. Everything works > fine. However, calibrating the BIAS is impossible. Even if I turn both > knobs all the way up the meters are only flickering, lighting up about > three or four segments on each side. It does sound good (phenomenal > bass), but tape/source switching reveals that the upper frequencies are > recorded not quite as brilliant.The differences are subtle, but they are > there. Perhaps its just me - my other deck is an LX-3 which sure is a > tad on the bright sind. Any suggestions? > > Arne > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Sep 15 13:00:37 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WMEDrewes) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:00:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Ending References: <200608251000.k7PA04bQ029412@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002601c6d8b6$3038bcb0$3fd017c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> Thanks Fred! How is this for inverse logic:-The poor chaps who still have their decks lying with Stephen for repair (eg me for 2 1/4 years)will now get nothing for a long time again as he will be swamped by new work coming in after reading your email.I will add to this by saying that I believe there is no better and more Nak-knowledgeable Nak technician that I have heard of than Stephen Sank but please hang on guys so that others like me can get their Drangons and Cr7's back before you all flood him with new work!!!!!!! I am indeed happy for you,for I know what a deck returning from Stephen sounds like! Enjoy it! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Lifton" To: Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 3:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] Happy Ending > Hi all, > Emerging from lurk mode to convey an unexpectedly happy ending to my > saga with Steven Sank. It would appear that Mr. Sank is indeed back > up and running well. I called him (as I have been doing about every 6 > mos.) and to my surprise he answered the phone and said that he was > actually about to start on my decks (an LX3 and a Luxman KX-102). He > asked me some questions about the details of what I wanted done and > said he'd have them back to me in two weeks. They showed up 10 days > later. > > I haven't tested the Lux yet, but the Nak is running splendidly and > sounds much better than I would have thought an LX3 could sound. He > did a full calibration and tune-up and replaced the more commonly > failing orange caps, all for $120 including shipping. He admitted > that things had gotten quite "dysfunctional" (his word) in New Mexico > since his auto accident and the unexpected closing of the shop where > he worked. But now he's moved to Arizona, has a much better work- > space and, apparently, is getting caught up. He was very apologetic > and genuinely appreciated the patience I'd shown him. He communicated > with me very well, sending an email with the totals, and then another > with tracking numbers when the decks shipped. The only down side is I > have yet to receive a detailed invoice of the exact work done. He's > promised to send one, however. > > So, all's that ends well, it seems. Hopefully we now have another > experienced Nak tech to call on to keep our babies running. > > cheers, > Fred > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 15 13:03:41 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:03:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E - Here I go again... Message-ID: <20060915110341.98764.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thanks to Ron and another member from Germany who replied off-list, I had the courage to take the lid of my second BX, acquired recently. I'm not sure about the control motor - it certainly kicks OK and always turns the cam to the right (viewed from the front) when pressing PLAY. The cams (which I was surprised to see are nylon) seem to be in very good condition but not lubricated. I can't move them by hand because that would damage the worm gear on the motor (I think - correct me if I'm wrong). The capstan motor is fine, very quiet and smooth and the belt looks good. The reel motor is also very quiet and I got the deck to reluctantly wind a whole C120 in both directions. The idler tire is obviously ready for a change and it will get that tomorrow. I hope that will highlight whatever problem exists with the control motor... I think what's bothering me more is the damaged/resoldered mains cable. It looks as though the power supply and the power ON/OFF switch both need to be removed in order to replace it. Does anyone have any tips about how best to do this? Thanks Chris From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Sep 15 13:10:12 2006 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WMEDrewes) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:10:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E - Here I go again... References: <20060915110341.98764.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004c01c6d8b7$83d92a20$3fd017c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> Its a pity we did not get the replies on line!Others might need the answers as well after having been alerted to the problem online! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Mann" To: "Nakamichi Owners Club" Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E - Here I go again... > Thanks to Ron and another member from Germany who > replied off-list, I had the courage to take the lid of > my second BX, acquired recently. > > I'm not sure about the control motor - it certainly > kicks OK and always turns the cam to the right (viewed > from the front) when pressing PLAY. The cams (which I > was surprised to see are nylon) seem to be in very > good condition but not lubricated. I can't move them > by hand because that would damage the worm gear on the > motor (I think - correct me if I'm wrong). > > The capstan motor is fine, very quiet and smooth and > the belt looks good. The reel motor is also very quiet > and I got the deck to reluctantly wind a whole C120 in > both directions. The idler tire is obviously ready for > a change and it will get that tomorrow. I hope that > will highlight whatever problem exists with the > control motor... > > I think what's bothering me more is the > damaged/resoldered mains cable. It looks as though the > power supply and the power ON/OFF switch both need to > be removed in order to replace it. Does anyone have > any tips about how best to do this? > > Thanks > > Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 15 15:24:15 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Bought DRAGON off eBay - calibration problems In-Reply-To: <450A8574.9080902@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20060915132415.47220.qmail@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> LP, How much do you sell the cal tapes for? Do you sell the entire set or individually? Bob Luis Peromarta wrote: As usual, good clening, good demag, to begin with. Is this happening with all tapes? All types? Do prerecorded tapes sound bad too or only those you record? If problem persists we shall consider mechanical and / or electrical calibration, like track alignmet. Service manual, rms voltmeter and calibration tapes are a must. By the way, I sell nice sets of cal tapes ;), and could get you a copy of the dragon service manual. Best rgds, LP. spamfilter at netzidiot.de escribió: > Hi, > > I bought a 1988 Nakamichi Dragon off eBay last week. Everything works > fine. However, calibrating the BIAS is impossible. Even if I turn both > knobs all the way up the meters are only flickering, lighting up about > three or four segments on each side. It does sound good (phenomenal > bass), but tape/source switching reveals that the upper frequencies are > recorded not quite as brilliant.The differences are subtle, but they are > there. Perhaps its just me - my other deck is an LX-3 which sure is a > tad on the bright sind. Any suggestions? > > Arne > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Sep 15 16:15:41 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:15:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Bought DRAGON off eBay - calibration problems In-Reply-To: <20060915132415.47220.qmail@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060915132415.47220.qmail@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <450AB58D.2060801@peromarta.org> Hi Bob, all details here: http://www.peebles-engineering.com/nakamichi/mynaks.html Best rgds, LP. Bob Naylor escribió: > *LP,* > *How much do you sell the cal tapes for? Do you sell the entire set or > individually?* > *Bob* > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > As usual, good clening, good demag, to begin with. Is this happening > with all tapes? All types? Do prerecorded tapes sound bad too or only > those you record? > > If problem persists we shall consider mechanical and / or electrical > calibration, like track alignmet. Service manual, rms voltmeter and > calibration tapes are a must. > > By the way, I sell nice sets of cal tapes ;), and could get you a copy > of the dragon service manual. > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > > spamfilter at netzidiot.de escribió: > > Hi, > > > > I bought a 1988 Nakamichi Dragon off eBay last week. Everything > works > > fine. However, calibrating the BIAS is impossible. Even if I turn > both > > knobs all the way up the meters are only flickering, lighting up > about > > three or four segments on each side. It does sound good (phenomenal > > bass), but tape/source switching reveals that the upper > frequencies are > > recorded not quite as brilliant.The differences are subtle, but > they are > > there. Perhaps its just me - my other deck is an LX-3 which sure > is a > > tad on the bright sind. Any suggestions? > > > > Arne > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Sep 15 16:07:29 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:07:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Ending Message-ID: <24820707.1158329249040.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Fred, glad to hear that Mr. Sank is up and running but mostly that you have finally received your decks back from him. Hopefully he will not fall into that 'dysfunctional' gorge again. I have a Dragon that runs just fine except for the 'screeching during the mode change'. It records and plays just fine but I would like to have it looked over and calibrated just for a peace of mind. It seems that you are finally pleased and you must be glad to see your possessions back home!!! ---- Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi all, > Emerging from lurk mode to convey an unexpectedly happy ending to my > saga with Steven Sank. It would appear that Mr. Sank is indeed back > up and running well. I called him (as I have been doing about every 6 > mos.) and to my surprise he answered the phone and said that he was > actually about to start on my decks (an LX3 and a Luxman KX-102). He > asked me some questions about the details of what I wanted done and > said he'd have them back to me in two weeks. They showed up 10 days > later. > > I haven't tested the Lux yet, but the Nak is running splendidly and > sounds much better than I would have thought an LX3 could sound. He > did a full calibration and tune-up and replaced the more commonly > failing orange caps, all for $120 including shipping. He admitted > that things had gotten quite "dysfunctional" (his word) in New Mexico > since his auto accident and the unexpected closing of the shop where > he worked. But now he's moved to Arizona, has a much better work- > space and, apparently, is getting caught up. He was very apologetic > and genuinely appreciated the patience I'd shown him. He communicated > with me very well, sending an email with the totals, and then another > with tracking numbers when the decks shipped. The only down side is I > have yet to receive a detailed invoice of the exact work done. He's > promised to send one, however. > > So, all's that ends well, it seems. Hopefully we now have another > experienced Nak tech to call on to keep our babies running. > > cheers, > Fred > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 16:21:28 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:21:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bought DRAGON off eBay - calibration problems Message-ID: Hello, Before you will dismantle the unit...try first to move ALL the knobs Level & Bias EX/SX/ZX, forward & back at least 10 times, it's possible that they are "Dirty" of NOT be use or moved trough the years. After so try first to reach "0" at level & "0" also on bias (Push to "Source"...instead tape to see if at "level" you hear the 400 Hz & of course the red segments reach "0", push on ALL the 3 type of tapes EX/SX/ZX, in level & also Bias...the segments MUST go till Calibration "0"...all the time in "SOURCE. (This kind of check will inform you that the electronics are OK), after that you finish your "SOURCE" check...push to TAPE load a new RELIABLE brand of cassette as TDK/Maxell/Sony/Fuji...etc...Normal one you push EX type, Chrome one SX type & Metal one ZX type, engaged record/pause the led will show red instead green...push FIRST "Level" and when "TAPE" is push wait till NAAC finish the "Alignment Flicker"...& goes red steady, move the left knob till the red segment reach "0" level...same the Right knob...do it slowly & very patiently, till the red segments are calibrated at "0" steady...push Bias and do the same till again the red segments are Plus or Minus steady...it's dificultie to be reach...but with patience can be do it...depends also on the quality of the tape coating...best brands it's easy to be reached...after so push the "Reset" in the middle of the Level & Bias...so the process stops & the tape is rewind to the biggining. I hope that my instructions will be easy comprehend as my native language is NOT English...Spanish! Good Luck & Peace,ALEX! Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:52:45 +0200From: spamfilter at netzidiot.deTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Bought DRAGON off eBay - calibration problems Hi, I bought a 1988 Nakamichi Dragon off eBay last week. Everything works fine. However, calibrating the BIAS is impossible. Even if I turn both knobs all the way up the meters are only flickering, lighting up about three or four segments on each side. It does sound good (phenomenal bass), but tape/source switching reveals that the upper frequencies are recorded not quite as brilliant.The differences are subtle, but they are there. Perhaps its just me - my other deck is an LX-3 which sure is a tad on the bright sind. Any suggestions? Arne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1&loc=us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 15 16:54:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:54:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Ending In-Reply-To: References: <200608251000.k7PA04bQ029412@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <450ABEBE.9060302@rcn.com> Fred, would you please post Stephen's phone number, email address and/or snail mail address? Thanks in advance, -- Ron Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi all, > Emerging from lurk mode to convey an unexpectedly happy ending to my > saga with Steven Sank. It would appear that Mr. Sank is indeed back up > and running well. I called him (as I have been doing about every 6 mos.) > and to my surprise he answered the phone and said that he was actually > about to start on my decks (an LX3 and a Luxman KX-102). He asked me > some questions about the details of what I wanted done and said he'd > have them back to me in two weeks. They showed up 10 days later. > > I haven't tested the Lux yet, but the Nak is running splendidly and > sounds much better than I would have thought an LX3 could sound. He did > a full calibration and tune-up and replaced the more commonly failing > orange caps, all for $120 including shipping. He admitted that things > had gotten quite "dysfunctional" (his word) in New Mexico since his auto > accident and the unexpected closing of the shop where he worked. But now > he's moved to Arizona, has a much better work-space and, apparently, is > getting caught up. He was very apologetic and genuinely appreciated the > patience I'd shown him. He communicated with me very well, sending an > email with the totals, and then another with tracking numbers when the > decks shipped. The only down side is I have yet to receive a detailed > invoice of the exact work done. He's promised to send one, however. > > So, all's that ends well, it seems. Hopefully we now have another > experienced Nak tech to call on to keep our babies running. > > cheers, > Fred From spamfilter at netzidiot.de Fri Sep 15 16:37:58 2006 From: spamfilter at netzidiot.de (spamfilter at netzidiot.de) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:37:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Bought DRAGON off eBay - calibration problems In-Reply-To: <450A8574.9080902@peromarta.org> References: <450A69DD.5040005@netzidiot.de> <450A8574.9080902@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <450ABAC6.3070304@netzidiot.de> Luis, the problem persists with all kind of tapes. The unit has recently been cleaned an demag'd, and maintenance in general is not an issue - the deck has obviously been well cared for. Prerecorded tapes sound good, also those made on my LX-3. Is it possible that the recording head is worn or is this unlikely? How would one know if the heads were worn? Do you think it requires an expensive repair? I'm asking because I could probably still return the deck - it was advertised as being in "top condition" and I paid an awful lot of money for it. Arne Luis Peromarta schrieb: > As usual, good clening, good demag, to begin with. Is this happening > with all tapes? All types? Do prerecorded tapes sound bad too or only > those you record? > > If problem persists we shall consider mechanical and / or electrical > calibration, like track alignmet. Service manual, rms voltmeter and > calibration tapes are a must. > > By the way, I sell nice sets of cal tapes ;), and could get you a copy > of the dragon service manual. > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > > spamfilter at netzidiot.de escribió: >> Hi, >> >> I bought a 1988 Nakamichi Dragon off eBay last week. Everything works >> fine. However, calibrating the BIAS is impossible. Even if I turn >> both knobs all the way up the meters are only flickering, lighting up >> about three or four segments on each side. It does sound good >> (phenomenal bass), but tape/source switching reveals that the upper >> frequencies are recorded not quite as brilliant.The differences are >> subtle, but they are there. Perhaps its just me - my other deck is an >> LX-3 which sure is a tad on the bright sind. Any suggestions? >> >> Arne >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------ > Weitergeleitet durch http://www.netzidiot.de > > Preissturz! 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Hopefully he will not fall into that 'dysfunctional' gorge again.> > I have a Dragon that runs just fine except for the 'screeching during the mode change'. It records and plays just fine but I would like to have it looked over and calibrated just for a peace of mind.> > > It seems that you are finally pleased and you must be glad to see your possessions back home!!!> > > ---- Fred Lifton wrote: > > Hi all,> > Emerging from lurk mode to convey an unexpectedly happy ending to my > > saga with Steven Sank. It would appear that Mr. Sank is indeed back > > up and running well. I called him (as I have been doing about every 6 > > mos.) and to my surprise he answered the phone and said that he was > > actually about to start on my decks (an LX3 and a Luxman KX-102). He > > asked me some questions about the details of what I wanted done and > > said he'd have them back to me in two weeks. They showed up 10 days > > later.> > > > I haven't tested the Lux yet, but the Nak is running splendidly and > > sounds much better than I would have thought an LX3 could sound. He > > did a full calibration and tune-up and replaced the more commonly > > failing orange caps, all for $120 including shipping. He admitted > > that things had gotten quite "dysfunctional" (his word) in New Mexico > > since his auto accident and the unexpected closing of the shop where > > he worked. But now he's moved to Arizona, has a much better work- > > space and, apparently, is getting caught up. He was very apologetic > > and genuinely appreciated the patience I'd shown him. He communicated > > with me very well, sending an email with the totals, and then another > > with tracking numbers when the decks shipped. The only down side is I > > have yet to receive a detailed invoice of the exact work done. He's > > promised to send one, however.> > > > So, all's that ends well, it seems. Hopefully we now have another > > experienced Nak tech to call on to keep our babies running.> > > > cheers,> > Fred> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 15 17:17:52 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:17:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E - replies off-list In-Reply-To: <200609151459.k8FEvBdY002716@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060915151752.11560.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Walter Ron replied very comprehensively on-list and a German member replied off-list because of a technical problem with his work email. His answer was a surprising one - which I hope doesn't apply in this case: he had a machine like mine, behaving as I described, and discovered that wires had been soldered to the control motor incorrectly, causing it to rotate in the wrong direction. Once rewired, the problem went. I was grateful for that as a thing to look for because I could get very old waiting to figure that out... I hope that helps anyone who wants to see this thread through to a (happy) conclusion. Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 15 17:44:01 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:44:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E - replies off-list In-Reply-To: <20060915151752.11560.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060915151752.11560.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <450ACA41.1040406@rcn.com> Chris Mann wrote: > Hi Walter > > [........] > > His answer was a surprising one - which I hope doesn't > apply in this case: he had a machine like mine, > behaving as I described, and discovered that wires had > been soldered to the control motor incorrectly, > causing it to rotate in the wrong direction. Once > rewired, the problem went. This has happened to me, as well. I took out a control motor, rebuilt it and reinstalled. The deck still didn't run correctly, though now it could be make to play. It took a while to analyze the problem - the motor leads were reversed. Sine I couldn't tell whether the motor had been rebuilt before or I erroneously assembled it incorrectly. I simply rubbed off the red dot and marked a new one next to the other terminal. -- Ron > > I was grateful for that as a thing to look for because > I could get very old waiting to figure that out... > > I hope that helps anyone who wants to see this thread > through to a (happy) conclusion. > > Chris From luis at peromarta.org Fri Sep 15 17:46:18 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:46:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Bought DRAGON off eBay - calibration problems In-Reply-To: <450ABAC6.3070304@netzidiot.de> References: <450A69DD.5040005@netzidiot.de> <450A8574.9080902@peromarta.org> <450ABAC6.3070304@netzidiot.de> Message-ID: <450ACACA.7030002@peromarta.org> I doubt the heads are worn out, unless extreme use or abuse of the deck, which looks like it's not the case. Track alignment might be an issue here, or severe RH azimuth error beyond NAAC control on PH. Otherway, electronic investigation must be carried out. Best rgds, LP. spamfilter at netzidiot.de escribió: > Luis, > > the problem persists with all kind of tapes. The unit has recently been > cleaned an demag'd, and maintenance in general is not an issue - the > deck has obviously been well cared for. Prerecorded tapes sound good, > also those made on my LX-3. > > Is it possible that the recording head is worn or is this unlikely? How > would one know if the heads were worn? Do you think it requires an > expensive repair? I'm asking because I could probably still return the > deck - it was advertised as being in "top condition" and I paid an awful > lot of money for it. > > Arne > > Luis Peromarta schrieb: >> As usual, good clening, good demag, to begin with. Is this happening >> with all tapes? All types? Do prerecorded tapes sound bad too or only >> those you record? >> >> If problem persists we shall consider mechanical and / or electrical >> calibration, like track alignmet. Service manual, rms voltmeter and >> calibration tapes are a must. >> >> By the way, I sell nice sets of cal tapes ;), and could get you a copy >> of the dragon service manual. >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> >> >> spamfilter at netzidiot.de escribió: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I bought a 1988 Nakamichi Dragon off eBay last week. Everything works >>> fine. However, calibrating the BIAS is impossible. Even if I turn >>> both knobs all the way up the meters are only flickering, lighting up >>> about three or four segments on each side. It does sound good >>> (phenomenal bass), but tape/source switching reveals that the upper >>> frequencies are recorded not quite as brilliant.The differences are >>> subtle, but they are there. Perhaps its just me - my other deck is an >>> LX-3 which sure is a tad on the bright sind. Any suggestions? >>> >>> Arne >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------ >> Weitergeleitet durch http://www.netzidiot.de >> >> Preissturz! Unsere aktuellen Reiseschnäppchen: >> >> Türkei (Antalya) ab 99 � - Italien ab 99 � - Malta ab 199 � >> Mallorca ab 169 � - Athen ab 369 � - Zypern ab 299 � >> Jetzt online buchen: http://www.lastminute-bestprice.com >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Sep 15 17:30:10 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:30:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Ending Message-ID: <22202782.1158334210975.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Alex, Thanks for the suggestion! I've known how to fix this problem for some time but I just don't have the ability right now to fix it. Kannan showed me the link to the Nakamichi diagram on where to lubricate on the cam shaft. Thanks for the help Alex and I sure do agree with you...Dragons are LOVELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Roland ---- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Roland, > > Concerning.. I have a Dragon that runs just fine except for the 'screeching during the mode change'. Try to lubricate, the cams...look at Scott pages, Dragon noises...& it's extremely easy to finish with such noise. > > Good Luck, > > Peace; > ALEX! > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:07:29 -0400> From: rjlbjk at cox.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy Ending> CC: flifton at mac.com> > Fred, glad to hear that Mr. Sank is up and running but mostly that you have finally received your decks back from him. Hopefully he will not fall into that 'dysfunctional' gorge again.> > I have a Dragon that runs just fine except for the 'screeching during the mode change'. It records and plays just fine but I would like to have it looked over and calibrated just for a peace of mind.> > > It seems that you are finally pleased and you must be glad to see your possessions back home!!!> > > ---- Fred Lifton wrote: > > Hi all,> > Emerging from lurk mode to convey an unexpectedly happy ending to my > > saga with Steven Sank. It would appear that Mr. Sank is indeed back > > up and running well. I called him (as I have been doing about every 6 > > mos.) and to my surprise he answered the phone and said that he was > > actually about to start on my decks (an LX3 and a Luxman KX-102). He > > asked me some questions about the details of what I wanted done and > > said he'd have them back to me in two weeks. They showed up 10 days > > later.> > > > I haven't tested the Lux yet, but the Nak is running splendidly and > > sounds much better than I would have thought an LX3 could sound. He > > did a full calibration and tune-up and replaced the more commonly > > failing orange caps, all for $120 including shipping. He admitted > > that things had gotten quite "dysfunctional" (his word) in New Mexico > > since his auto accident and the unexpected closing of the shop where > > he worked. But now he's moved to Arizona, has a much better work- > > space and, apparently, is getting caught up. He was very apologetic > > and genuinely appreciated the patience I'd shown him. He communicated > > with me very well, sending an email with the totals, and then another > > with tracking numbers when the decks shipped. The only down side is I > > have yet to receive a detailed invoice of the exact work done. He's > > promised to send one, however.> > > > So, all's that ends well, it seems. Hopefully we now have another > > experienced Nak tech to call on to keep our babies running.> > > > cheers,> > Fred> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > _________________________________________________________________ > Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Sep 15 17:30:38 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:30:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Ending Message-ID: <13544324.1158334238795.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Alex, Thanks for the suggestion! I've known how to fix this problem for some time but I just don't have the ability right now to fix it. Kannan showed me the link to the Nakamichi diagram on where to lubricate on the cam shaft. Thanks for the help Alex and I sure do agree with you...Dragons are LOVELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Roland ---- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Roland, > > Concerning.. I have a Dragon that runs just fine except for the 'screeching during the mode change'. Try to lubricate, the cams...look at Scott pages, Dragon noises...& it's extremely easy to finish with such noise. > > Good Luck, > > Peace; > ALEX! > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:07:29 -0400> From: rjlbjk at cox.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy Ending> CC: flifton at mac.com> > Fred, glad to hear that Mr. Sank is up and running but mostly that you have finally received your decks back from him. Hopefully he will not fall into that 'dysfunctional' gorge again.> > I have a Dragon that runs just fine except for the 'screeching during the mode change'. It records and plays just fine but I would like to have it looked over and calibrated just for a peace of mind.> > > It seems that you are finally pleased and you must be glad to see your possessions back home!!!> > > ---- Fred Lifton wrote: > > Hi all,> > Emerging from lurk mode to convey an unexpectedly happy ending to my > > saga with Steven Sank. It would appear that Mr. Sank is indeed back > > up and running well. I called him (as I have been doing about every 6 > > mos.) and to my surprise he answered the phone and said that he was > > actually about to start on my decks (an LX3 and a Luxman KX-102). He > > asked me some questions about the details of what I wanted done and > > said he'd have them back to me in two weeks. They showed up 10 days > > later.> > > > I haven't tested the Lux yet, but the Nak is running splendidly and > > sounds much better than I would have thought an LX3 could sound. He > > did a full calibration and tune-up and replaced the more commonly > > failing orange caps, all for $120 including shipping. He admitted > > that things had gotten quite "dysfunctional" (his word) in New Mexico > > since his auto accident and the unexpected closing of the shop where > > he worked. But now he's moved to Arizona, has a much better work- > > space and, apparently, is getting caught up. He was very apologetic > > and genuinely appreciated the patience I'd shown him. He communicated > > with me very well, sending an email with the totals, and then another > > with tracking numbers when the decks shipped. The only down side is I > > have yet to receive a detailed invoice of the exact work done. He's > > promised to send one, however.> > > > So, all's that ends well, it seems. Hopefully we now have another > > experienced Nak tech to call on to keep our babies running.> > > > cheers,> > Fred> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > _________________________________________________________________ > Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 15 17:42:08 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Bought DRAGON off eBay - calibration problems In-Reply-To: <450AB58D.2060801@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20060915154209.74222.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks! Luis Peromarta wrote: Hi Bob, all details here: http://www.peebles-engineering.com/nakamichi/mynaks.html Best rgds, LP. Bob Naylor escribió: > *LP,* > *How much do you sell the cal tapes for? Do you sell the entire set or > individually?* > *Bob* > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > As usual, good clening, good demag, to begin with. Is this happening > with all tapes? All types? Do prerecorded tapes sound bad too or only > those you record? > > If problem persists we shall consider mechanical and / or electrical > calibration, like track alignmet. Service manual, rms voltmeter and > calibration tapes are a must. > > By the way, I sell nice sets of cal tapes ;), and could get you a copy > of the dragon service manual. > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > > spamfilter at netzidiot.de escribió: > > Hi, > > > > I bought a 1988 Nakamichi Dragon off eBay last week. Everything > works > > fine. However, calibrating the BIAS is impossible. Even if I turn > both > > knobs all the way up the meters are only flickering, lighting up > about > > three or four segments on each side. It does sound good (phenomenal > > bass), but tape/source switching reveals that the upper > frequencies are > > recorded not quite as brilliant.The differences are subtle, but > they are > > there. Perhaps its just me - my other deck is an LX-3 which sure > is a > > tad on the bright sind. Any suggestions? > > > > Arne > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Fri Sep 15 18:54:38 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:54:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Happy Ending In-Reply-To: <200609151456.k8FEud5q002706@zxe.naks.com> References: <200609151456.k8FEud5q002706@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: All, To the best of my knowledge, all of the info on his website (http:// www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm) is correct. Good luck. best, Fred On Sep 15, 2006, at 7:56 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Fred, would you please post Stephen's phone number, email > address and/or snail mail address? Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > > > Fred Lifton wrote: >> Hi all, >> Emerging from lurk mode to convey an unexpectedly happy ending to >> my saga with Steven Sank. It would appear that Mr. Sank is indeed >> back up and running well. I called him (as I have been doing about >> every 6 mos.) and to my surprise he answered the phone and said >> that he was actually about to start on my decks (an LX3 and a >> Luxman KX-102). He asked me some questions about the details of >> what I wanted done and said he'd have them back to me in two >> weeks. They showed up 10 days later. >> >> cheers, >> Fred > > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 15 19:47:48 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:47:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Ending In-Reply-To: <002601c6d8b6$3038bcb0$3fd017c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> References: <200608251000.k7PA04bQ029412@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060915124748.00833100@earthlink.net> Walter, I would call Stephen. A 2 1/2 year wait sounds like a parts problem. If I have the part he is looking for I'd be glad to supply it. tom brucker At 01:00 PM 9/15/06 +0200, you wrote: >Thanks Fred! >How is this for inverse logic:-The poor chaps who still have their decks >lying with Stephen for repair (eg me for 2 1/4 years)will now get nothing >for a long time again as he will be swamped by new work coming in after >reading your email.I will add to this by saying that I believe there is no >better and more Nak-knowledgeable Nak technician that I have heard of than >Stephen Sank but please hang on guys so that others like me can get their >Drangons and Cr7's back before you all flood him with new work!!!!!!! >I am indeed happy for you,for I know what a deck returning from Stephen >sounds like! >Enjoy it! >Walter >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Fred Lifton" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 3:58 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Happy Ending > > >> Hi all, >> Emerging from lurk mode to convey an unexpectedly happy ending to my >> saga with Steven Sank. It would appear that Mr. Sank is indeed back >> up and running well. I called him (as I have been doing about every 6 >> mos.) and to my surprise he answered the phone and said that he was >> actually about to start on my decks (an LX3 and a Luxman KX-102). He >> asked me some questions about the details of what I wanted done and >> said he'd have them back to me in two weeks. They showed up 10 days >> later. >> >> I haven't tested the Lux yet, but the Nak is running splendidly and >> sounds much better than I would have thought an LX3 could sound. He >> did a full calibration and tune-up and replaced the more commonly >> failing orange caps, all for $120 including shipping. He admitted >> that things had gotten quite "dysfunctional" (his word) in New Mexico >> since his auto accident and the unexpected closing of the shop where >> he worked. But now he's moved to Arizona, has a much better work- >> space and, apparently, is getting caught up. He was very apologetic >> and genuinely appreciated the patience I'd shown him. He communicated >> with me very well, sending an email with the totals, and then another >> with tracking numbers when the decks shipped. The only down side is I >> have yet to receive a detailed invoice of the exact work done. He's >> promised to send one, however. >> >> So, all's that ends well, it seems. Hopefully we now have another >> experienced Nak tech to call on to keep our babies running. >> >> cheers, >> Fred >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 15 19:57:47 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:57:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Ending In-Reply-To: <24820707.1158329249040.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.n et> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060915125747.00834d70@earthlink.net> Simply put one drop of oil on the mode cam pivot. tom brucker At 10:07 AM 9/15/06 -0400, you wrote: >Fred, glad to hear that Mr. Sank is up and running but mostly that you have finally received your decks back from him. Hopefully he will not fall into that 'dysfunctional' gorge again. > >I have a Dragon that runs just fine except for the 'screeching during the mode change'. It records and plays just fine but I would like to have it looked over and calibrated just for a peace of mind. > > >It seems that you are finally pleased and you must be glad to see your possessions back home!!! > > >---- Fred Lifton wrote: >> Hi all, >> Emerging from lurk mode to convey an unexpectedly happy ending to my >> saga with Steven Sank. It would appear that Mr. Sank is indeed back >> up and running well. I called him (as I have been doing about every 6 >> mos.) and to my surprise he answered the phone and said that he was >> actually about to start on my decks (an LX3 and a Luxman KX-102). He >> asked me some questions about the details of what I wanted done and >> said he'd have them back to me in two weeks. They showed up 10 days >> later. >> >> I haven't tested the Lux yet, but the Nak is running splendidly and >> sounds much better than I would have thought an LX3 could sound. He >> did a full calibration and tune-up and replaced the more commonly >> failing orange caps, all for $120 including shipping. He admitted >> that things had gotten quite "dysfunctional" (his word) in New Mexico >> since his auto accident and the unexpected closing of the shop where >> he worked. But now he's moved to Arizona, has a much better work- >> space and, apparently, is getting caught up. He was very apologetic >> and genuinely appreciated the patience I'd shown him. He communicated >> with me very well, sending an email with the totals, and then another >> with tracking numbers when the decks shipped. The only down side is I >> have yet to receive a detailed invoice of the exact work done. He's >> promised to send one, however. >> >> So, all's that ends well, it seems. Hopefully we now have another >> experienced Nak tech to call on to keep our babies running. >> >> cheers, >> Fred >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Sep 15 21:43:04 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:43:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Ending Message-ID: <29101508.1158349384165.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Yes, I have the Nakamichi service bulletin for this problem. Just haven't had the time to fix it just yet. ---- Hi Tech wrote: > Simply put one drop of oil on the mode cam pivot. > > tom brucker > > At 10:07 AM 9/15/06 -0400, you wrote: > >Fred, glad to hear that Mr. Sank is up and running but mostly that you > have finally received your decks back from him. Hopefully he will not fall > into that 'dysfunctional' gorge again. > > > >I have a Dragon that runs just fine except for the 'screeching during the > mode change'. It records and plays just fine but I would like to have it > looked over and calibrated just for a peace of mind. > > > > > >It seems that you are finally pleased and you must be glad to see your > possessions back home!!! > > > > > >---- Fred Lifton wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> Emerging from lurk mode to convey an unexpectedly happy ending to my > >> saga with Steven Sank. It would appear that Mr. Sank is indeed back > >> up and running well. I called him (as I have been doing about every 6 > >> mos.) and to my surprise he answered the phone and said that he was > >> actually about to start on my decks (an LX3 and a Luxman KX-102). He > >> asked me some questions about the details of what I wanted done and > >> said he'd have them back to me in two weeks. They showed up 10 days > >> later. > >> > >> I haven't tested the Lux yet, but the Nak is running splendidly and > >> sounds much better than I would have thought an LX3 could sound. He > >> did a full calibration and tune-up and replaced the more commonly > >> failing orange caps, all for $120 including shipping. He admitted > >> that things had gotten quite "dysfunctional" (his word) in New Mexico > >> since his auto accident and the unexpected closing of the shop where > >> he worked. But now he's moved to Arizona, has a much better work- > >> space and, apparently, is getting caught up. He was very apologetic > >> and genuinely appreciated the patience I'd shown him. He communicated > >> with me very well, sending an email with the totals, and then another > >> with tracking numbers when the decks shipped. The only down side is I > >> have yet to receive a detailed invoice of the exact work done. He's > >> promised to send one, however. > >> > >> So, all's that ends well, it seems. Hopefully we now have another > >> experienced Nak tech to call on to keep our babies running. > >> > >> cheers, > >> Fred > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jeruff at yahoo.com Fri Sep 15 23:09:07 2006 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700II Repair In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060915124748.00833100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060915210907.48792.qmail@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Tom, (I believe you kindly responded to some earlier questions of mine regarding auto-nakamichi) I have a 700II that I have been lead to believe has a clutch problem. The deck has had a couple belts replaced (not Nakamichi belts), and will play and record well. It just has some problems in FF and RW (especially RW), but FF too--especially near the end or beginning of a tape (if I remember correctly). The tech guy I have been taking it to here in Chicago refuses to touch the deck and keeps telling me to sell it. I just got the thing last Christmas, and I specifically sought out this deck, as I love its features and design, so I have no intention of selling it already. I got it off the original owner who had it sitting in its box for the last 15 years or so, which seems to be the root of its problems (in addition to the belts, there was originally a problem with getting the buttons to stay engaged--a problem that seems to be fixed). Anyways, do you know of a good tech here, or would sending it your way be an option? From what I'm gathering, it sounds like to really fix this thing, it's going to need some specific instrument(s)? If sending it to you is an option, I'm curious about your rates and the procedure, etc. I follow many of these conversations, and you sound like you know your stuff. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks in advance, Jesse Ruff From luis at peromarta.org Sat Sep 16 23:01:46 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:01:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Azimuth center adjustment Message-ID: <450C663A.1030109@peromarta.org> Dear all, I am giving the CR7 another go, and I am running trough some of the electrical calibrations. I use the Test unit, connected to CN-11. On step 10, you need to align the center of the azimuth cam with a mark on the indicator plate, you can see it aligned here: http://www.peromarta.org/naks/cam-1.jpg (You can see a small triangle on the cam, pointing to the mark on the plate) I carried out all the adjustments, and went fine, however there's some issue I'd like to discuss here. As I just said, everything calibrated to specs. I load a tape, and hit autocal., but when the machines needs to go to center azimuth position, it goes somewhere else: http://www.peromarta.org/naks/cam-2.jpg (you can see the arrow 5 dents ahead in clockwise direction) Shouldn't the autocal. function bring the azimuth to it's center, reference position? I tried positioning the reference somewhere else (ahead or behind the plate mark), but the autocal insists in going to the same position. Any hint on where to start looking? Best rgds, LP. From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Sep 17 12:52:30 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:52:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Still Cannot get LED level indicator working In-Reply-To: <200609171000.k8HA04hD019771@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all I got myself Cramolin red (DeoxIT) and paintstakingly went thru the display board mechanical connectors, traced the other connections (rest are all soldered) etc etc but i still cannot get the right channel LED level indicators working. Is this a burnt Diode ? Does this happen often ? Any help on this much appreciated. The left channel indicators are working. Nak in question is an MR2 Thanks a ton Best Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Discover. Explore. Connect-Windows Live Spaces. Check out! http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/livespaces.asp From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 17 15:21:44 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:21:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Still Cannot get LED level indicator working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <450D4BE8.7090803@rcn.com> Diagnosing something like this calls for signal tracing. Hit and miss methods (like mass cleaning of all connectors) may work -- but only if you happen to his the exact problem area; so, they are pot luck at best. Do you happen to have the schematic for the MR-2? If you could publish it, we would be able to suggest procedures for tracking down the fault. Good luck, -- Ron noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi all > I got myself Cramolin red (DeoxIT) and paintstakingly went thru the > display board mechanical connectors, traced the other connections (rest > are all soldered) etc etc but i still cannot get the right channel LED > level indicators working. > Is this a burnt Diode ? Does this happen often ? > Any help on this much appreciated. > > The left channel indicators are working. > Nak in question is an MR2 > > Thanks a ton > Best > Soumi From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sun Sep 17 16:41:07 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:41:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Still Cannot get LED level indicator working In-Reply-To: <200609171000.k8HA04hD019771@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron Ive just ordered for the MR2 service manual which was mailed yesterday ... so should be at least 10 days before i receive it ... however the level indicator circuit schematic seems to be quite similar to the BX 300 schematic (same IC, LED array, resistors, capacitors, diodes etc) so maybe that would be a start. The thing is where do i start looking ? Thanks and best Regards Soumi >Diagnosing something like this calls for signal tracing. >Hit and miss methods (like mass cleaning of all connectors) >may work -- but only if you happen to his the exact problem >area; so, they are pot luck at best. > >Do you happen to have the schematic for the MR-2? If you >could publish it, we would be able to suggest procedures >for tracking down the fault. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron _________________________________________________________________ Sexy, sultry, sensuous. - see why Bipasha Basu is all that and more. Try MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/Profile/bipashabasu.asp From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 17 19:12:11 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:12:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Still Cannot get LED level indicator working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <450D81EB.4060104@rcn.com> Well, assuming that we are dealing with a BX-300: First, you need a mono signal source that you feed to both channels of the deck input. Can be a signal generator, or one channel of the output of a pocket radio, CD player, etc. that you feed through a Y cable to both channels. Second, you need a multimeter (at least) and 'scope (that is not mandatory but will make the job far easier). Steps: All following measurements are with respect to ground. On the fuse board, IC TA612AP, make sure you have +12V at pin 14, +2V at pin 15 and +0.2V at pin 2. Since one channel does work, you should get these values, no problem. Make sure you get AC voltage between each AC line connecting the fuse board to the Display unit, and ground. I'm not sure how much -- around 18VAC or so. If one line is off, that's your problem right there. Check the series diodes on the fuse board. Make sure you get the same AC on pin 1 of cable going to the meter amp board. Repeat on pin 2. If either is missing, that's your problem. Verify that you are getting the input signal on the fuse board, on pin 4 of the cable coming from the meter amp (measure on the AC scale). If you have a 'scope, sync it from either AC line and make sure the signal is not 'chopped' (it will have switching spikes, but no portions should be missing). If it is, the problem is on the meter amp board. If you do not have a 'scope, make sure the AC (pins 1 & 2) and +12V (pin 5) have made it to the meter amp board, at the other end of the connecting cable. Then, make sure you have the AC at the bases of Q103 and Q203. At this point, you should have a clear understanding of where the fault lies. -- Ron noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi Ron > Ive just ordered for the MR2 service manual which was mailed yesterday > ... so should be at least 10 days before i receive it ... however the > level indicator circuit schematic seems to be quite similar to the BX > 300 schematic (same IC, LED array, resistors, capacitors, diodes etc) so > maybe that would be a start. > The thing is where do i start looking ? > > Thanks and best Regards > Soumi > >> Diagnosing something like this calls for signal tracing. >> Hit and miss methods (like mass cleaning of all connectors) >> may work -- but only if you happen to his the exact problem >> area; so, they are pot luck at best. >> >> Do you happen to have the schematic for the MR-2? If you >> could publish it, we would be able to suggest procedures >> for tracking down the fault. >> >> Good luck, >> >> -- Ron From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Sep 17 20:23:07 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:23:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] donation: 582 Message-ID: <450D928B.4030202@xs4all.nl> For who is interested a 582 was donated through the website with the following comment: 'Eject button no longer opens the cassette well door - I've examined the flexible cable that goes from the button to the actuator and it appears that the plastic block at the actuator end has cracked so that the flexible cable no longer 'pushes' enough to %trip the actuator. Otherwise is working beautifully.' contact:: cksandberg at mac.com Enjoy, Wouter From logosfire at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 09:29:49 2006 From: logosfire at gmail.com (Logosfire) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:29:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 Message-ID: <55f362cf0609180029v126d08dax579e5c71a96a1a71@mail.gmail.com> Recently I just bidded a used Nak 680 from ebay and the deck arrived with normal working conditions. The deck has giving me with hours of delightful enjoyment on tapes since then. And after returning from this summer holidays, the deck when powered-up, the record button lights up at once and the rest of the buttons just won`t response! The problem is gone by itself after the 3rd day and now it`s working normally again. What`s the actual cause of this malfunction? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Mon Sep 18 10:46:24 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:46:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - ailing but improving Message-ID: <20060918084624.8786.qmail@web27211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I posted last week about a Nak I bought as "spares or repair" on eBay. It seemed that the control motor may have been faulty but I decided to do the idler tire swap to help me diagnose the fault because I could tell the tire was skidding. Mechanically, it now plays/rewinds/fast forwards fine. It runs at the same speed as my other BX-300E as closely as I can measure using test tones and a tunning fork. Despite my lubricating the cams on the control motor *very* sparingly, there is still a pronounced "clunk" when the tape goes into STOP mode, either automatically or by the use of the stop button. I removed the transport to clean it but I believe it's now better aligned with the chassis than when I got it so I would not expect any part of the transport to be fouling anything. Does anyone have any ideas what I can look for next to quiet the transport down a little? I don't feel qualified or equipped to check the PB and REC amps or any part of head alignment. Subjectively I can say that the sound is on a par with my old "trusted" Nak but there was a lack of clarity in the upper treble, which demagnetizing and through cleaning improved. Playback of prerecorded tapes or tapes made on other machines shows a slight drop in level on the left channel as compared with the right, though the sound is not muffled or lacking clarity. I can't be sure whether this could be a PB amp problem, a head alignment problem or something I didn't consider yet. Is there something obvious I could be missing (before I bite the bullet and send the deck to someone much more clued-up than I am)? Thanks Chris From dbauer45 at comcast.net Mon Sep 18 11:10:31 2006 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (dbauer45 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:10:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] donation: 582 Message-ID: <091820060910.8052.450E628700046D5D00001F742200760180CACB9D0A9A0E0D0B@comcast.net> Wouter, You can send it to a home at; 1566 Vernon Road Blue Bell, PA 19422 -------------- Oriouoginal message -------------- From: Wouter Heijke > For who is interested a 582 was donated through the website with the > following comment: 'Eject button no longer opens the cassette well door > - I've examined the flexible cable that goes from the button to the > actuator and it appears that the plastic block at the actuator end has > cracked so that the flexible cable no longer 'pushes' enough to %trip > the actuator. Otherwise is working beautifully.' > > contact:: cksandberg at mac.com > > Enjoy, > > Wouter > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Sep 18 12:22:19 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:22:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 582 donation In-Reply-To: <200609181004.k8IA12SX031520@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: May 581 has a similar problem with the plastic post holding the door eject arm which is cracked at the base. (It has lived too long in the tropics). I have it held in place with two wires from different directions and it works fine. David On 18/9/06 8:04 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" wrote: > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:23:07 +0200 > From: Wouter Heijke > Subject: [naktalk] donation: 582 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <450D928B.4030202 at xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > For who is interested a 582 was donated through the website with the > following comment: 'Eject button no longer opens the cassette well door > - I've examined the flexible cable that goes from the button to the > actuator and it appears that the plastic block at the actuator end has > cracked so that the flexible cable no longer 'pushes' enough to %trip > the actuator. Otherwise is working beautifully.' > > contact:: cksandberg at mac.com > > Enjoy, > > Wouter > > > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Sep 18 12:42:04 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:42:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] donation: 582 In-Reply-To: <091820060910.8052.450E628700046D5D00001F742200760180CACB9D0A9A0E0D0B@ comcast.net> References: <091820060910.8052.450E628700046D5D00001F742200760180CACB9D0A9A0E0D0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <22888.212.78.164.66.1158576124.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I don't have it, and i'm not going to send you my 582 ;-) Contact the owner: cksandberg at mac.com Wouter > > Wouter, > > You can send it to a home at; > > 1566 Vernon Road > Blue Bell, PA 19422 > -------------- Oriouoginal message -------------- > From: Wouter Heijke > >> For who is interested a 582 was donated through the website with the >> following comment: 'Eject button no longer opens the cassette well door >> - I've examined the flexible cable that goes from the button to the >> actuator and it appears that the plastic block at the actuator end has >> cracked so that the flexible cable no longer 'pushes' enough to %trip >> the actuator. Otherwise is working beautifully.' >> >> contact:: cksandberg at mac.com >> >> Enjoy, >> >> Wouter >> >> From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 18 15:28:02 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:28:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700II Repair In-Reply-To: <20060915210907.48792.qmail@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060915124748.00833100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060918082802.00833100@earthlink.net> Jesse, Isn't it interesting that we can say "I specifically want this 700ii", and we are given credit! Jon sent his to me to work on. I will give you a better idea of what is possible after I repair his. I am wishy-washy because I hear stories of reel clutch problems, and I don't recall ever having trouble with one. I thought I would look at Jon's and then give you a firm answer. I assume your deck slows near the end of RW? There are 2 tires and a belt in the clutch. I do not know anyone in Illinois. Here at NakTalk we are collecting lists of good techs. You might check Audio Consultants for a referral. We typically charge $65-125 for cassette decks. The low end is for tweeking. If the repair is major or absurdly high we would contact you before proceeding. The 700ii is a tank to ship. Jon cut down some of those white plastic mail baskets to make a light , rigid box. He ought to patent his idea. All our contact info is in my signature. tom brucker At 02:09 PM 9/15/06 -0700, you wrote: >Hello Tom, >(I believe you kindly responded to some earlier >questions of mine regarding auto-nakamichi) I have a >700II that I have been lead to believe has a clutch >problem. The deck has had a couple belts replaced >(not Nakamichi belts), and will play and record well. >It just has some problems in FF and RW (especially >RW), but FF too--especially near the end or beginning >of a tape (if I remember correctly). The tech guy I >have been taking it to here in Chicago refuses to >touch the deck and keeps telling me to sell it. I >just got the thing last Christmas, and I specifically >sought out this deck, as I love its features and >design, so I have no intention of selling it already. >I got it off the original owner who had it sitting in >its box for the last 15 years or so, which seems to be >the root of its problems (in addition to the belts, >there was originally a problem with getting the >buttons to stay engaged--a problem that seems to be >fixed). Anyways, do you know of a good tech here, or >would sending it your way be an option? From what I'm >gathering, it sounds like to really fix this thing, >it's going to need some specific instrument(s)? If >sending it to you is an option, I'm curious about your >rates and the procedure, etc. I follow many of these >conversations, and you sound like you know your stuff. > I'd love to hear your thoughts. >Thanks in advance, > >Jesse Ruff > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 18 15:53:41 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:53:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 In-Reply-To: <55f362cf0609180029v126d08dax579e5c71a96a1a71@mail.gmail.co m> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060918085341.00833100@earthlink.net> The deck was in "timer record" mode? tom brucker At 09:29 AM 9/18/06 +0200, you wrote: >>>> Recently I just bidded a used Nak 680 from ebay and the deck arrived with normal working conditions. The deck has giving me with hours of delightful enjoyment on tapes since then. And after returning from this summer holidays, the deck when powered-up, the record button lights up at once and the rest of the buttons just won`t response! The problem is gone by itself after the 3rd day and now it`s working normally again. What`s the actual cause of this malfunction? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 18 16:36:55 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 In-Reply-To: <55f362cf0609180029v126d08dax579e5c71a96a1a71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060918143655.21358.qmail@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> During those three days did you unplug the unit? I had a TV do something similiar and unplugging it for 30 seconds or so cleared it up. Never happened again. Bob Logosfire wrote: Recently I just bidded a used Nak 680 from ebay and the deck arrived with normal working conditions. The deck has giving me with hours of delightful enjoyment on tapes since then. And after returning from this summer holidays, the deck when powered-up, the record button lights up at once and the rest of the buttons just won`t response! The problem is gone by itself after the 3rd day and now it`s working normally again. What`s the actual cause of this malfunction? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 18 16:52:54 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - ailing but improving In-Reply-To: <20060918084624.8786.qmail@web27211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060918145254.8903.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chris, You may be able to get the upper frequencies cleared up by a bias adjustment. Too little bias brings lots of highs but can lose clarity. Too much bias will clear things up but can lose highs. Happy medium??? The left channel is the edge of the tape so make sure when you clean the heads that the entire surface gets clean. Do you have a service manual for your 300? I have an MR1 which "appears" to be basically the same. I would pay you for some photo copies if you have it. Since our decks are similar I hope to keep up with this thread. Bob Chris Mann wrote: I posted last week about a Nak I bought as "spares or repair" on eBay. It seemed that the control motor may have been faulty but I decided to do the idler tire swap to help me diagnose the fault because I could tell the tire was skidding. Mechanically, it now plays/rewinds/fast forwards fine. It runs at the same speed as my other BX-300E as closely as I can measure using test tones and a tunning fork. Despite my lubricating the cams on the control motor *very* sparingly, there is still a pronounced "clunk" when the tape goes into STOP mode, either automatically or by the use of the stop button. I removed the transport to clean it but I believe it's now better aligned with the chassis than when I got it so I would not expect any part of the transport to be fouling anything. Does anyone have any ideas what I can look for next to quiet the transport down a little? I don't feel qualified or equipped to check the PB and REC amps or any part of head alignment. Subjectively I can say that the sound is on a par with my old "trusted" Nak but there was a lack of clarity in the upper treble, which demagnetizing and through cleaning improved. Playback of prerecorded tapes or tapes made on other machines shows a slight drop in level on the left channel as compared with the right, though the sound is not muffled or lacking clarity. I can't be sure whether this could be a PB amp problem, a head alignment problem or something I didn't consider yet. Is there something obvious I could be missing (before I bite the bullet and send the deck to someone much more clued-up than I am)? Thanks Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Mon Sep 18 17:04:06 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:04:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RE: Still Cannot get LED level indicator working (Ron) In-Reply-To: <200609181000.k8IA05Tm031509@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron Im going to return to this topic (and you) a little later once the MR2 manual arrives. Since the MR2 does not have a fuse board, im having a bit of difficulty following the connections etc. However, i do have a multimeter and checking the display voltages on the pins of IC TA612AP, these are the values i got : +11.4V at pin 14, +1.8V at pin 15 +0.2V at pin 2. These are ok to begin with ? Thanks a ton and Best Wishes Soumi >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Still Cannot get LED level indicator working >Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:12:11 -0400 > >Well, assuming that we are dealing with a BX-300: > >First, you need a mono signal source that you feed to both >channels of the deck input. Can be a signal generator, or one >channel of the output of a pocket radio, CD player, etc. that >you feed through a Y cable to both channels. > >Second, you need a multimeter (at least) and 'scope (that is >not mandatory but will make the job far easier). > >Steps: > >All following measurements are with respect to ground. > >On the fuse board, IC TA612AP, make sure you have +12V at pin >14, +2V at pin 15 and +0.2V at pin 2. Since one channel does >work, you should get these values, no problem. > >Make sure you get AC voltage between each AC line connecting >the fuse board to the Display unit, and ground. I'm not sure >how much -- around 18VAC or so. If one line is off, that's your >problem right there. Check the series diodes on the fuse board. > >Make sure you get the same AC on pin 1 of cable going to the >meter amp board. Repeat on pin 2. If either is missing, that's >your problem. > >Verify that you are getting the input signal on the fuse board, >on pin 4 of the cable coming from the meter amp (measure on the >AC scale). If you have a 'scope, sync it from either AC line >and make sure the signal is not 'chopped' (it will have switching spikes, >but no portions should be missing). If it is, the problem >is on the meter amp board. > >If you do not have a 'scope, make sure the AC (pins 1 & 2) and >+12V (pin 5) have made it to the meter amp board, at the other >end of the connecting cable. Then, make sure you have the AC >at the bases of Q103 and Q203. > >At this point, you should have a clear understanding of where >the fault lies. > >-- Ron > > > > >noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >>Hi Ron >>Ive just ordered for the MR2 service manual which was mailed yesterday ... >>so should be at least 10 days before i receive it ... however the level >>indicator circuit schematic seems to be quite similar to the BX 300 >>schematic (same IC, LED array, resistors, capacitors, diodes etc) so maybe >>that would be a start. >>The thing is where do i start looking ? >> >>Thanks and best Regards >>Soumi >> _________________________________________________________________ NRIs: Send Money FREE! Go ahead and register now! http://ads.mediaturf.net/event.ng/Type=click&FlightID=20273&AdID=65989&TargetID=11172&Targets=11172&Values=202,414,1093,1264,3122&Redirect=http:%2F%2Fwww.icicinri.net%2Fmoney2india%2F%3Fm2i%3DBAC-MSN%26att%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR%26rfr%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 18 18:46:51 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:46:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RE: Still Cannot get LED level indicator working (Ron) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <450ECD7B.6070108@rcn.com> noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi Ron > Im going to return to this topic (and you) a little later once the MR2 > manual arrives. Since the MR2 does not have a fuse board, im having a > bit of difficulty following the connections etc. > However, i do have a multimeter and checking the display voltages on the > pins of IC TA612AP, these are the values i got : > > +11.4V at pin 14, > +1.8V at pin 15 > +0.2V at pin 2. > > These are ok to begin with ? These are just fine. If/when you post the MR-2 Schematic (or, even better, a scan of the complete manual -- I am sure Tomas Larson will be agreeable to post it on his excellent site), we can modify the procedure to suit. -- Ron > > Thanks a ton and Best Wishes > Soumi > > > >> From: Ron >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Still Cannot get LED level indicator working >> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:12:11 -0400 >> >> Well, assuming that we are dealing with a BX-300: >> >> First, you need a mono signal source that you feed to both >> channels of the deck input. Can be a signal generator, or one >> channel of the output of a pocket radio, CD player, etc. that >> you feed through a Y cable to both channels. >> >> Second, you need a multimeter (at least) and 'scope (that is >> not mandatory but will make the job far easier). >> >> Steps: >> >> All following measurements are with respect to ground. >> >> On the fuse board, IC TA612AP, make sure you have +12V at pin >> 14, +2V at pin 15 and +0.2V at pin 2. Since one channel does >> work, you should get these values, no problem. >> >> Make sure you get AC voltage between each AC line connecting >> the fuse board to the Display unit, and ground. I'm not sure >> how much -- around 18VAC or so. If one line is off, that's your >> problem right there. Check the series diodes on the fuse board. >> >> Make sure you get the same AC on pin 1 of cable going to the >> meter amp board. Repeat on pin 2. If either is missing, that's >> your problem. >> >> Verify that you are getting the input signal on the fuse board, >> on pin 4 of the cable coming from the meter amp (measure on the >> AC scale). If you have a 'scope, sync it from either AC line >> and make sure the signal is not 'chopped' (it will have switching >> spikes, but no portions should be missing). If it is, the problem >> is on the meter amp board. >> >> If you do not have a 'scope, make sure the AC (pins 1 & 2) and >> +12V (pin 5) have made it to the meter amp board, at the other >> end of the connecting cable. Then, make sure you have the AC >> at the bases of Q103 and Q203. >> >> At this point, you should have a clear understanding of where >> the fault lies. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >>> Hi Ron >>> Ive just ordered for the MR2 service manual which was mailed >>> yesterday ... so should be at least 10 days before i receive it ... >>> however the level indicator circuit schematic seems to be quite >>> similar to the BX 300 schematic (same IC, LED array, resistors, >>> capacitors, diodes etc) so maybe that would be a start. >>> The thing is where do i start looking ? >>> >>> Thanks and best Regards >>> Soumi >>> > > _________________________________________________________________ > NRIs: Send Money FREE! Go ahead and register now! > http://ads.mediaturf.net/event.ng/Type=click&FlightID=20273&AdID=65989&TargetID=11172&Targets=11172&Values=202,414,1093,1264,3122&Redirect=http:%2F%2Fwww.icicinri.net%2Fmoney2india%2F%3Fm2i%3DBAC-MSN%26att%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR%26rfr%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 18 22:34:12 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:34:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - ailing but improving In-Reply-To: <20060918084624.8786.qmail@web27211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060918153412.0083ece0@earthlink.net> That clunk may be the head base dropping down and hitting something. I don't recall any cushion. Remove the black face and watch th head base move. I doubt the clunk is a sign of a larger problem. tom brucker At 09:46 AM 9/18/06 +0100, you wrote: >I posted last week about a Nak I bought as "spares or >repair" on eBay. > >It seemed that the control motor may have been faulty >but I decided to do the idler tire swap to help me >diagnose the fault because I could tell the tire was >skidding. > >Mechanically, it now plays/rewinds/fast forwards fine. >It runs at the same speed as my other BX-300E as >closely as I can measure using test tones and a >tunning fork. > >Despite my lubricating the cams on the control motor >*very* sparingly, there is still a pronounced "clunk" >when the tape goes into STOP mode, either >automatically or by the use of the stop button. I >removed the transport to clean it but I believe it's >now better aligned with the chassis than when I got it >so I would not expect any part of the transport to be >fouling anything. Does anyone have any ideas what I >can look for next to quiet the transport down a >little? > >I don't feel qualified or equipped to check the PB and >REC amps or any part of head alignment. Subjectively I >can say that the sound is on a par with my old >"trusted" Nak but there was a lack of clarity in the >upper treble, which demagnetizing and through cleaning >improved. Playback of prerecorded tapes or tapes made >on other machines shows a slight drop in level on the >left channel as compared with the right, though the >sound is not muffled or lacking clarity. > >I can't be sure whether this could be a PB amp >problem, a head alignment problem or something I >didn't consider yet. Is there something obvious I >could be missing (before I bite the bullet and send >the deck to someone much more clued-up than I am)? > >Thanks > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Sep 19 00:48:10 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:48:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another obscure issue Message-ID: <39C28F88-46F1-47AF-9C68-C843136138ED@alumni.caltech.edu> There's probably no easy answer for this but I thought I'd ask just in case. On machines with the "classic" mechanism that support cueing (in this case the 1000zxl ltd again), is there any well-know issue with not being able to, while in cue mode, switch directions into reverse cue directly from forward cue? The issue seems to be that the direction change doesn't occur in a timely enough manner to prevent the auto-stop from shutting things down. The deck and cue-rewind fine from a stop or pause; it's just switching modes directly that seems to have problems intermittently. There's some expected dependencies on particular tape, (size as well as just individual differences within the same size/brand) and position, but, overall there is more problem with this deck than others. This also affects RAMM cueing as it uses the same mechanism. There is a pot (R405 on the logic board) that is supposed to affect the speed for RAMM cueing, but it doesn't seem to have a whole lot of effect (it's possible it only works during real RAMM mode, but I don't think so--would be useful is someone more schematic versed than I could confirm or deny that). I don't have the 5Hz RAMM check tape & frequency counter to use the book procedure, but I do have a home-made 400Hz tape. At approximately the same position (middle) this deck is about an octave (thus factor of about 2 linear--going by ear; i do have absolute pitch to some degree) lower (slower) than another 1000zxl, but is about the same as the 680zx, so I'm not sure that it's slow or not. The spec for the RAMM tape lists about a range of a factor of two, so that may be OK, but I would have thought the pot allowed wider latitude. I'm not sure I hear much difference at all, although it's a little difficult to tell as things of course change as the tape spools change size thus altering the linear tape speed. I'd have to check a bit more, but the "slow" decks are about 3 octaves about the expected frequency in real time, so that's about 8x normal speed which I think is about right (6x is I believe what is listed, but my ear isn't that precise on this somewhat non-simple sound), so, if anything, the "fast" deck sounds too fast. I have tried: cleaning the reel brake/drive drums (isopropanol), cleaning the idler tire rubber cleaner), one drop lubrication on the pivot point for the lever holding the idler wheel tweaking the pot some (maybe helped, maybe didn't--again the problem isn't 100% reproducible), but not noticing a dramatic change. If I try the test with no tape in the deck, I can see the rear hub start to move just before the auto-shutoff (legitimately) stops the deck. As I said, I suspect this is a just think about it and check the obvious, but I thought I'd throw it out to the group in case there's an "oh yeah...that issue" kind of thing. Other modes work OK; overall none of the parts (like the reel clutches) are particularly old or worn. I had tried to deal some with the other issue at the opposite end of the spectrum with the MX-S tapes and rewind, but I think this has been there even before that; I just didn't take the time to diagnose it before as I normally don't use cue mode and hadn't noticed that it affected the RAMM stuff.-kby From BOEING747600 at aol.com Tue Sep 19 00:15:18 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:15:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Message-ID: Hi everyone! I have purchased a Nakamichi 1000zxl WOW!!! it really is impressive!! and so heavy! you can imagine this big a machine is actually a cassette deck?! why it looks as big a microwave oven(LOL:) I love it! I havent tried it out yet! will it beat the performance of my beloved Nakamichi Dragon. I read by some member that correct working Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the best tape deck in the world. I am so excited! give me some advice please what should I be doing to get the maximum out of it. I dont have the owner's manual or service manual yet, can some kind soul email me one?!! I will be much appreciated!! Looking forward to some favorable comment about this beast! Many Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 19 09:46:46 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:46:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E ailing but improving (maybe) In-Reply-To: <200609182128.k8ILRUIG004559@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Bob Naylor advised me: [The left channel is the edge of the tape so make sure when you clean the heads that the entire surface gets clean.] Before I read your post Bob, I decided to clean the heads again using Intraclean and I noticed that the PB head is not securely fixed, the edge nearest the rear of the cassette compartment "floats" and the head feels like it's on a spring. This would explain the slight signal loss on one channel I think. I'm now faced with refixing the head somehow - whether I can do that without making one or several adjustments I doubt, and I'm just not equipped to make those adjustments. Seems like I bit off more than I can chew, which is frustrating because the deck is playing as I type this and it doesn't sound *that* far off right. Bob, on the subject of service manuals, I can mail you the PDF of the BX-300 manual or you can get it direct from Tomas Larsson's excellent site: www.naks.mine.nu in the Manuals section. I have a feeling the one for the BX-300E is the one I submitted anyway. Tom Brucker advised me: [That clunk may be the head base dropping down and hitting something. I don't recall any cushion. Remove the black face and watch th head base move. I doubt the clunk is a sign of a larger problem.] Tom, as you can see from my comments above, it looks like I have work to do on the head assembly in any case, so I'll make sure that the head base clears everything when it returns to the STOP position. Like I said above, I really started something when I took the lid off this one... Thanks to you and other list members for their advice. Chris From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Tue Sep 19 10:07:50 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:07:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? References: Message-ID: <06ce01c6dbc2$b42c5360$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Hey, I just picked up a 1000 Tri Tracer, and am anxiously awaiting delivery! You can pickup a manual for your 1000 ZXL here: http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ5872559070QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Sep 19 10:23:42 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:23:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? In-Reply-To: <06ce01c6dbc2$b42c5360$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: <06ce01c6dbc2$b42c5360$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <450FA90E.1080207@peromarta.org> Or here for free: http://peromarta.org/naks/nak1000ZXL_OwnersManual.pdf rgds, LP. Dennis Orr escribió: > Hey, I just picked up a 1000 Tri Tracer, and am anxiously awaiting > delivery! You can pickup a manual for your 1000 ZXL here: > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ5872559070QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Sep 19 10:30:36 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:30:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E ailing but improving (maybe) Message-ID: > Before I read your post Bob, I decided to clean the heads again using > Intraclean and I noticed that the PB head is not securely fixed, > the edge > nearest the rear of the cassette compartment "floats" and the head > feels > like it's on a spring. It's supposed to feel like that. Where it "stops" in the direction the spring pushes it in is part of the adjustments for head alignment, but it (if pushed) will always feel like it's against a spring, not rigidly in place. That's one reason for not being TOO aggressive with the cleaning.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Sep 19 11:34:46 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:34:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Message-ID: Hi Ali, Good Luck with your recently acquired 1000ZXL...Is 100% truth, WHEN working 100% well...will sound & record better that a Dragon. BUT...BUT...pray that will work?????! Peace, ALEX! From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:15:18 -0400To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Hi everyone! I have purchased a Nakamichi 1000zxl WOW!!! it really is impressive!! and so heavy! you can imagine this big a machine is actually a cassette deck?! why it looks as big a microwave oven(LOL:) I love it! I havent tried it out yet! will it beat the performance of my beloved Nakamichi Dragon. I read by some member that correct working Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the best tape deck in the world. I am so excited! give me some advice please what should I be doing to get the maximum out of it. I dont have the owner's manual or service manual yet, can some kind soul email me one?!! I will be much appreciated!! Looking forward to some favorable comment about this beast! Many Thanks! Ali _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1&loc=us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Sep 19 12:37:18 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:37:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <450FC85E.8030601@peromarta.org> Hola Alex, Aún sigues vendiendo esa 1000 II ? En qué estado está ? Era tuya? Está bien cuidada? Gracias, Luis. Alex Cozac escribió: > Hi Ali, > > Good Luck with your recently acquired 1000ZXL...Is 100% truth, WHEN > working 100% well...will sound & record better that a Dragon. > BUT...BUT...pray that will work?????! > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: BOEING747600 at aol.com > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:15:18 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? > > Hi everyone! I have purchased a Nakamichi 1000zxl WOW!!! it really > is impressive!! and so heavy! you can imagine this big a machine is > actually a cassette deck?! why it looks as big a microwave > oven(LOL:) I love it! I havent tried it out yet! will it beat the > performance of my beloved Nakamichi Dragon. I read by some member > that correct working Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the best tape deck in the > world. I am so excited! give me some advice please what should I be > doing to get the maximum out of it. I dont have the owner's manual > or service manual yet, can some kind soul email me one?!! I will be > much appreciated!! Looking forward to some favorable comment about > this beast! Many Thanks! > > Ali > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces Try it! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Tue Sep 19 12:42:55 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:42:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? In-Reply-To: <450FC85E.8030601@peromarta.org> References: <450FC85E.8030601@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <450FC9AF.1070009@peromarta.org> Sorry, it was intended for Alex only. rgds, LP. Luis Peromarta escribió: > Hola Alex, > > Aún sigues vendiendo esa 1000 II ? > > En qué estado está ? Era tuya? Está bien cuidada? > > Gracias, Luis. > > Alex Cozac escribió: >> Hi Ali, >> >> Good Luck with your recently acquired 1000ZXL...Is 100% truth, WHEN >> working 100% well...will sound & record better that a Dragon. >> BUT...BUT...pray that will work?????! >> >> Peace, >> >> ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:15:18 -0400 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? >> >> Hi everyone! I have purchased a Nakamichi 1000zxl WOW!!! it really >> is impressive!! and so heavy! you can imagine this big a machine is >> actually a cassette deck?! why it looks as big a microwave >> oven(LOL:) I love it! I havent tried it out yet! will it beat the >> performance of my beloved Nakamichi Dragon. I read by some member >> that correct working Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the best tape deck in the >> world. I am so excited! give me some advice please what should I be >> doing to get the maximum out of it. I dont have the owner's manual >> or service manual yet, can some kind soul email me one?!! I will be >> much appreciated!! Looking forward to some favorable comment about >> this beast! Many Thanks! >> Ali >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces Try it! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 19 13:14:43 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:14:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E ailing but improving (maybe) In-Reply-To: <200609191001.k8JA0PF7009975@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060919111443.16007.qmail@web27202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Kimo - thanks for your advice on the mounting of the PB head. I had (scary) visions of having to remove parts of the head assembly to see what was wrong - that's enough to keep a cautious but relatively unskilled guy like me awake at night. I have another BX-300E and I could have checked the head mounting on there but if you have a deck that's sounding nice, you don't take chances :-/ Possibly there is still an alignment adjustment to make and I'll decide how that can be done (i.e. by me or a professional). I noticed something else too: when I'm monitoring the off-tape signal, the source/recording comparison with Dolby off reveals a recording that's very close to the original. With Dolby B on the sound isn't "squashed" as it might be in lesser decks but some energy goes out of the top end. It's noticeable because in my other BX-300E this effect is much, much less pronounced. Looking at the Service Manual, there is no mention of Dolby calibration so I think Ron's original advice is going to apply and some work on REC and PB circuits may be necessary once the mechanical stuff is sorted. Fortunately I now appreciate how lovely these decks can sound because otherwise I'd be starting to feel a little downhearted now... Chris From BOEING747600 at aol.com Tue Sep 19 14:31:27 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:31:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL REALLY IS IMPRESSIVE!!...WOW!!:) Message-ID: Hi Luis, Many THANKS! :) for sending that link to 1000ZXL free owner's manual. I am so excited kind wait to try it out!!! it REALLY!!! is an empressive machine . I have a Nakamichi Dragon also owned CR 7A and many other Nakamichi hi-end cassette deck BUT! none of these come EVEN CLOSE!! to looking like Nakamichi 1000 ZXL in comparision cometically atleast the the dragon, cr 7a and others look like cheap toys! If you have a 1000 ZXL then you might be knowing why?! I am saying this!! And oh that gorgeous red rosewood cabinet!! You get the idea! SORRY FOR GETTING CARRIED AWAY!! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 19 15:30:33 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:30:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? In-Reply-To: <06ce01c6dbc2$b42c5360$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060919083033.00840ad0@earthlink.net> I am amazed at the number of 700 and 1000 tri tracers for sale. These decks only lack metal tape RECORD functions, and Dolby C. Since many people eschew C and metal tape is no longer manufactured, these machines are actually worth considering. I still think the 1/2 speed 680 is the ultimate Nakamichi. Are there any NakTalkers that have a collection of 1/2 speed metal tapes? I would love to know how the collection has held up over the years, and if there are any sonic issues. tom brucker At 01:07 AM 9/19/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hey, I just picked up a 1000 Tri Tracer, and am anxiously awaiting delivery! You can pickup a manual for your 1000 ZXL here: http://cgi.ebay.ca /Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ5872559070 QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 19 15:35:03 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:35:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E ailing but improving (maybe) In-Reply-To: <20060919111443.16007.qmail@web27202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <200609191001.k8JA0PF7009975@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060919083503.0084ad30@earthlink.net> Dolby level calibration is the 400 Hz. record level calibration. While Dolby B tolerates up to 1 dB of miscalibration, Dolby C does not. Double check those adjustments! A pros hint: set the record calibration slightly higher than exact, maybe 1/4 dB hot. This compensates for a few things I won't go into here, but it insures accurate Dolby response. tom brucker At 12:14 PM 9/19/06 +0100, Chris Mann wrote: >Kimo - thanks for your advice on the mounting of the >PB head. I had (scary) visions of having to remove >parts of the head assembly to see what was wrong - >that's enough to keep a cautious but relatively >unskilled guy like me awake at night. > >I have another BX-300E and I could have checked the >head mounting on there but if you have a deck that's >sounding nice, you don't take chances :-/ > >Possibly there is still an alignment adjustment to >make and I'll decide how that can be done (i.e. by me >or a professional). > >I noticed something else too: when I'm monitoring the >off-tape signal, the source/recording comparison with >Dolby off reveals a recording that's very close to the >original. With Dolby B on the sound isn't "squashed" >as it might be in lesser decks but some energy goes >out of the top end. > >It's noticeable because in my other BX-300E this >effect is much, much less pronounced. Looking at the >Service Manual, there is no mention of Dolby >calibration so I think Ron's original advice is going >to apply and some work on REC and PB circuits may be >necessary once the mechanical stuff is sorted. > >Fortunately I now appreciate how lovely these decks >can sound because otherwise I'd be starting to feel a >little downhearted now... > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Sep 19 16:19:06 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:19:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Message-ID: <28231522.1158675546408.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Alex, if I recall, did you not get rid of a 1000zxl because of the upkeep? It is so exciting to see him so excited about his new 1000zxl. I know how I felt when I received my Dragon...I just wanted to tell everyone including my 93 year old neighbor!!! Enjoy your Naks everyone, there's pleasure inside every model. ---- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Ali, > > Good Luck with your recently acquired 1000ZXL...Is 100% truth, WHEN working 100% well...will sound & record better that a Dragon. BUT...BUT...pray that will work?????! > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:15:18 -0400To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? > > Hi everyone! I have purchased a Nakamichi 1000zxl WOW!!! it really is impressive!! and so heavy! you can imagine this big a machine is actually a cassette deck?! why it looks as big a microwave oven(LOL:) I love it! I havent tried it out yet! will it beat the performance of my beloved Nakamichi Dragon. I read by some member that correct working Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the best tape deck in the world. I am so excited! give me some advice please what should I be doing to get the maximum out of it. I dont have the owner's manual or service manual yet, can some kind soul email me one?!! I will be much appreciated!! Looking forward to some favorable comment about this beast! Many Thanks! > > Ali > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces > http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1&loc=us From kmashlan at shaw.ca Tue Sep 19 16:47:46 2006 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:47:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006101c6dbfa$92120800$5f01a8c0@shuttle> You can also download the service manual from Thomas' site www.naks.mine.nu or you can get a copy from my server at http://70.70.139.85/1000zxl.zip Ken _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: September 18, 2006 3:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Hi everyone! I have purchased a Nakamichi 1000zxl WOW!!! it really is impressive!! and so heavy! you can imagine this big a machine is actually a cassette deck?! why it looks as big a microwave oven(LOL:) I love it! I havent tried it out yet! will it beat the performance of my beloved Nakamichi Dragon. I read by some member that correct working Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the best tape deck in the world. I am so excited! give me some advice please what should I be doing to get the maximum out of it. I dont have the owner's manual or service manual yet, can some kind soul email me one?!! I will be much appreciated!! Looking forward to some favorable comment about this beast! Many Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm now faced with refixing the head somehow - whether I can do that without making one or several adjustments I doubt, and I'm just not equipped to make those adjustments. Seems like I bit off more than I can chew, which is frustrating because the deck is playing as I type this and it doesn't sound *that* far off right. Bob, on the subject of service manuals, I can mail you the PDF of the BX-300 manual or you can get it direct from Tomas Larsson's excellent site: www.naks.mine.nu in the Manuals section. I have a feeling the one for the BX-300E is the one I submitted anyway. Tom Brucker advised me: [That clunk may be the head base dropping down and hitting something. I don't recall any cushion. Remove the black face and watch th head base move. I doubt the clunk is a sign of a larger problem.] Tom, as you can see from my comments above, it looks like I have work to do on the head assembly in any case, so I'll make sure that the head base clears everything when it returns to the STOP position. Like I said above, I really started something when I took the lid off this one... Thanks to you and other list members for their advice. Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeff. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:31 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? I am amazed at the number of 700 and 1000 tri tracers for sale. These decks only lack metal tape RECORD functions, and Dolby C. Since many people eschew C and metal tape is no longer manufactured, these machines are actually worth considering. I still think the 1/2 speed 680 is the ultimate Nakamichi. Are there any NakTalkers that have a collection of 1/2 speed metal tapes? I would love to know how the collection has held up over the years, and if there are any sonic issues. tom brucker At 01:07 AM 9/19/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hey, I just picked up a 1000 Tri Tracer, and am anxiously awaiting delivery! You can pickup a manual for your 1000 ZXL here: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 19 22:16:36 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:16:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL REALLY IS IMPRESSIVE!!...WOW!!:) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060919151636.0083a570@earthlink.net> Ali, Remember, there is the gold plated 1000ZXL to lust for.... tom brucker At 08:31 AM 9/19/06 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Hi Luis, Many THANKS! :) for sending that link to 1000ZXL free owner's manual. I am so excited kind wait to try it out!!! it REALLY!!! is an empressive machine . I have a Nakamichi Dragon also owned CR 7A and many other Nakamichi hi-end cassette deck BUT! none of these come EVEN CLOSE!! to looking like Nakamichi 1000 ZXL in comparision cometically atleast the the dragon, cr 7a and others look like cheap toys! If you have a 1000 ZXL then you might be knowing why?! I am saying this!! And oh that gorgeous red rosewood cabinet!! You get the idea! SORRY FOR GETTING CARRIED AWAY!! With Best Regards! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Sep 19 23:14:55 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL REALLY IS IMPRESSIVE!!...WOW!!:) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060919151636.0083a570@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060919211455.95675.qmail@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > SORRY FOR GETTING CARRIED AWAY!! Stop talking about your 1000ZXL, I this (Mostly because of what I have : Two broken BX-2 decks) At 08:31 AM 9/19/06 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Hi Luis, Many THANKS! :) for sending that link to 1000ZXL free owner's manual. I am so excited kind wait to try it out!!! it REALLY!!! is an empressive machine . I have a Nakamichi Dragon also owned CR 7A and many other Nakamichi hi-end cassette deck BUT! none of these come EVEN CLOSE!! to looking like Nakamichi 1000 ZXL in comparision cometically atleast the the dragon, cr 7a and others look like cheap toys! If you have a 1000 ZXL then you might be knowing why?! I am saying this!! And oh that gorgeous red rosewood cabinet!! You get the idea! SORRY FOR GETTING CARRIED AWAY!! With Best Regards! Ali Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SORRY FOR GETTING CARRIED AWAY!! > > With Best Regards! > > Ali -- From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Sep 19 20:52:26 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:52:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060919083033.00840ad0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060919083033.00840ad0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom,I have one 700 tri-tracer, and another on the way Saturday hopefully.They are fantastic machines, having those XLR jacks and big analog VU meters. Also,they are rugged and reliable.The sound is warm and rich. Hopefully you will see one of mine oneday...oh wait,I forgot, I dont want to encourage bids against me on these decks...they are awful- terrible -sell them to me for 50.00! On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:30:33 -0500, Hi Tech wrote: > I am amazed at the number of 700 and 1000 tri tracers for sale. These > decks > only lack metal tape RECORD functions, and Dolby C. Since many people > eschew C and metal tape is no longer manufactured, these machines are > actually worth considering. > > I still think the 1/2 speed 680 is the ultimate Nakamichi. Are there any > NakTalkers that have a collection of 1/2 speed metal tapes? I would love > to > know how the collection has held up over the years, and if there are any > sonic issues. > > > tom brucker > > At 01:07 AM 9/19/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>>> > Hey, I just picked up a 1000 Tri Tracer, and am anxiously awaiting > delivery! You can pickup a manual for your 1000 ZXL here: > W0QQitemZ5872559070QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem>http://cgi.ebay.ca > /Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ5872559070 > QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From jeffbobeck at gct21.net Tue Sep 19 21:40:03 2006 From: jeffbobeck at gct21.net (Jeff Bobeck) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:40:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] I.M. Suppressor circuit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All, I have a question about the I.M. Suppressor switch on the NAK 600. I do not currently have a 600 to observe the effect. I am wondering if this circuitry is in the other NAK decks, but non-switchable. I cannot find anything in my owner's manuals. I have two reasons for asking: 1 When playing tapes on any NAK, the midrange is so much clearer than when I play the same cassettes on other decks. There is a slight lack of clarity that I always assumed was a normal limitation of the cassette format. To me this was the "tape" sound. When I play cassettes on NAKs, I do not hear any muddying of the midrange. This could be due to IM distortion not being suppressed in other decks, or simply better design of a NAK. 2 I seem to remember reading about this sometime in the 1980s, but I do not remember the source (High Fidelity or Stereo Review) or whether it was an advertisement or a product review. From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Wed Sep 20 04:22:04 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:22:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XL-IIS (and other) source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:38:03 -0700, "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: >I'm under the impression that Maxell XL-IIS tapes aren't made any >more and some like them. >I found a message about this on some other board (I think one of the >asylum boards but I can't >remember for sure now): > >http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/page/bb/CTGY/audio > >They have XL-IIS in 60, 90, and 100 min lengths for as low as $1 a >pop. You do have to by >200 to get that price, but even in smaller quantities they aren't too >bad ($1.25 for one), especially if >they aren't available elsewhere. > >They also have some other formulations I haven't seen in the US for a >while, like TDK-SAX, but >those aren't as cheap. Their international sales pat sucks a bit. Bank wire transfers are expensive that I know of. And photocopying / scanning my credit card is not gonna happen. Odd company, they also have BLACK SHOELACE 72 PAIR IN BOX Details $1.44 Extra Strenght Tylenol Box of 150 caplets Expires Jan 07 Details $1.50 MR. COFFEE Filter 100 Box for cup size 8-12 Details $5.00 Something you don't get at all the other online media webstores. It is nice to see the Akai cassette range. I did not know they still made tapes. or is that new old stock? -Mikkel From slavkag at yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 04:25:46 2006 From: slavkag at yahoo.com (slavkag) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX202 tray repare Message-ID: <20060920022546.63091.qmail@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I have RX202 which didn’t flip a cassette, eject/loadworked fine though. Tray belt looked bad, and I replaced it with a new one, butnow all tray functions are completely off-track, and I can’t even bringit to the state it was before. What may be the reason? What is the procedure ofinitial tray tuning (not a fine-tuning)? How to find a “zero-point”to start the tuning from? Any suggestions? I wish I at least had the schematic of logic PCB… Regards, Slava --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Sep 20 12:51:38 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:51:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL Message-ID: HI Everyone! Does anyone knows a source for capstan belt and idler tire that will fit Nakamichi 1000 ZXL. Any kind help in this regard will be much appreciated! I have decided to replace these as they seem in need of replacement due to wear that happen over the years and is normal and is to be expected! Wish Nakamichi has decided on direct drive motors instead of all these belts even in their top of the line 1000zxl . My other tape deck Revox B 710 has 4 direct drive motors. There must have been a reason for Nakamichi not choosing direct drive motors even on this $3800 when new 1000zxl I wouldnt imagine Nakamichi cutting corners to save dollars by going the other way I mean saving cost by not installing 4 direct drive motors, maybe the ABLE circuit would not have worked with a direct drive motor. And speaking of circuits this beast should be awarded the award for the complexity of it circuits it looks I am working on desk top computer than on a tape deck! Its a jungle out there! i.e. inside a 1000 zxl! if you know what I mean!:) With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 20 16:11:20 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:11:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20060919083033.00840ad0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20060919083033.00840ad0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060920091120.00831100@earthlink.net> It is odd. There seem to be more 700 decks than Dragons. When the 700 was introduced, all other cassette decks were jokes. At $700 US it was VERY expensive. I don't think our little community can drive up the price, since our posts are not indexed by Google. The low price unfortunately adds another $50 for shipping! tom brucker At 01:52 PM 9/19/06 -0500, you wrote: > Hi Tom,I have one 700 tri-tracer, and another on the way Saturday >hopefully.They are fantastic machines, having those XLR jacks and big >analog VU meters. Also,they are rugged and reliable.The sound is warm and >rich. Hopefully you will see one of mine oneday...oh wait,I forgot, I dont >want to encourage bids against me on these decks...they are awful- >terrible -sell them to me for 50.00! On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 >08:30:33 -0500, Hi Tech wrote: > >> I am amazed at the number of 700 and 1000 tri tracers for sale. These >> decks >> only lack metal tape RECORD functions, and Dolby C. Since many people >> eschew C and metal tape is no longer manufactured, these machines are >> actually worth considering. >> >> I still think the 1/2 speed 680 is the ultimate Nakamichi. Are there any >> NakTalkers that have a collection of 1/2 speed metal tapes? I would love >> to >> know how the collection has held up over the years, and if there are any >> sonic issues. >> >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 01:07 AM 9/19/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>>>> >> Hey, I just picked up a 1000 Tri Tracer, and am anxiously awaiting >> delivery! You can pickup a manual for your 1000 ZXL here: >> > W0QQitemZ5872559070QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem>http://cgi.ebay.ca >> /Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ5872559070 >> QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > > >-- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 20 16:19:22 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:19:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I.M. Suppressor circuit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060920091922.008308a0@earthlink.net> IM was only in the 600, and was not in the 600II. It is very similar to NAD "soft clipping" , but uses diodes in a feedback loop to give a reverse IM distortion to the signal. What you hear is mostly the result of superior head construction. Heads have physical signal to noise, distortion, and dynamic range properties. The better head designs lower all these audible effects. Most audio components distort in an additive nature. Frequency response can be subtractive or additive. Nak had very low distortion, very smooth lo freq. "head bumps" extended hi freq. , and flat midrange (accurate EQ). You probably listen to human voice (music) , and recognize low midrange coloration. tom brucker At 12:40 PM 9/19/06 -0700, Jeff Bobeck wrote: >All, > >I have a question about the I.M. Suppressor switch on the NAK 600. I do not >currently have a 600 to observe the effect. I am wondering if this >circuitry is in the other NAK decks, but non-switchable. I cannot find >anything in my owner's manuals. I have two reasons for asking: > >1 When playing tapes on any NAK, the midrange is so much clearer than when I >play the same cassettes on other decks. There is a slight lack of clarity >that I always assumed was a normal limitation of the cassette format. To me >this was the "tape" sound. When I play cassettes on NAKs, I do not hear any >muddying of the midrange. This could be due to IM distortion not being >suppressed in other decks, or simply better design of a NAK. > >2 I seem to remember reading about this sometime in the 1980s, but I do not >remember the source (High Fidelity or Stereo Review) or whether it was an >advertisement or a product review. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 20 16:22:15 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:22:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060920092215.0083e470@earthlink.net> Nakamichi fought flutter religiously. Direct drive low rotation speeds were difficult to make flutterless. Their capstan motors were massive for this reason. Contrast Nak to Sony BSL motors in the TCK55 tom brucker At 06:51 AM 9/20/06 EDT, you wrote: >>>> HI Everyone! Does anyone knows a source for capstan belt and idler tire that will fit Nakamichi 1000 ZXL. Any kind help in this regard will be much appreciated! I have decided to replace these as they seem in need of replacement due to wear that happen over the years and is normal and is to be expected! Wish Nakamichi has decided on direct drive motors instead of all these belts even in their top of the line 1000zxl . My other tape deck Revox B 710 has 4 direct drive motors. There must have been a reason for Nakamichi not choosing direct drive motors even on this $3800 when new 1000zxl I wouldnt imagine Nakamichi cutting corners to save dollars by going the other way I mean saving cost by not installing 4 direct drive motors, maybe the ABLE circuit would not have worked with a direct drive motor. And speaking of circuits this beast should be awarded the award for the complexity of it circuits it looks I am working on desk top computer than on a tape deck! Its a jungle out there! i.e. inside a 1000 zxl! if you know what I mean!:) With Best Regards! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 20 16:32:10 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:32:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I.M. Suppressor circuit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <451150EA.7050407@rcn.com> I didn't know about this IM suppression circuit and your post got me interested. So, I took a look at the 600 service manual, where the circuit is explained and a schematic provided. Essentially, the circuit modifies playback time domain levels, causing waveform distortion that (hopefully) counteracts the distortion that was caused by tape saturation during high level portions of the recording. Obviously, MOL differs from tape to tape, while the circuit behaviour is constant. Thus, the overall result could be increased -- rather than reduced -- distortion. Nakamichi provided adjustments to be made for specific tape formulations, (one for type I, one for type II). Even so, I am not sure how well the characteristic curves of the diodes in the circuit match tape saturation curves, since the two are not related. The circuit does not become effective until the playback level is reached where the tape must have approached saturation. So, anyone that is careful to avoid over-recording will not see an advantage and better switch is off. (Even at low levels, the circuit is liable to produce some distortion of it's own.) Will the circuit make better sound? I think that, using the tape for which it was adjusted, the answer is probably in the affirmative -- otherwise, the whole thing would be an exercise in futility. I don't know whether Nakamichi used the circuit in other decks. It would make no sense in machines that are supposed to accommodate many tape formulations and have user adjustable bias and levels for the purpose. My view is that, where implemented, it better be switchable. -- Ron Jeff Bobeck wrote: > All, > > I have a question about the I.M. Suppressor switch on the NAK 600. I do not > currently have a 600 to observe the effect. I am wondering if this > circuitry is in the other NAK decks, but non-switchable. I cannot find > anything in my owner's manuals. I have two reasons for asking: > > 1 When playing tapes on any NAK, the midrange is so much clearer than when I > play the same cassettes on other decks. There is a slight lack of clarity > that I always assumed was a normal limitation of the cassette format. To me > this was the "tape" sound. When I play cassettes on NAKs, I do not hear any > muddying of the midrange. This could be due to IM distortion not being > suppressed in other decks, or simply better design of a NAK. > > 2 I seem to remember reading about this sometime in the 1980s, but I do not > remember the source (High Fidelity or Stereo Review) or whether it was an > advertisement or a product review. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Sep 20 18:19:33 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:19:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL Message-ID: <48583974-4401-47F4-9242-A6489EA493AF@alumni.caltech.edu> They did go to direct drive motors, but not until later. The Dragon and ZX-9 are direct drive. If you read the brochures for them, they explain they didn't want to give up one set of problems in the w/f battle for others. They only did direct drive when they felt they could improve everything, and their motors are a special technology to do so. At least that was the marketing slant on what they did. The motor is the same technology as the one they developed for the Dragon turntable, IIRC. Belt drive or no, I still prefer the 1000zxl for recording and playing its own tapes. The Dragon is useful for playing tapes made on other decks. My main "frustration" with the 1000zxl is I always want every feature it has (which are legion) to work perfectly, like every one of the 50 or so bulbs (and some can cause other problems. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Sep 20 18:28:33 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:28:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XL-IIS (and other) source Message-ID: > Their international sales pat sucks a bit. Bank wire transfers are > expensive that I > know of. And photocopying / scanning my credit card is not gonna > happen. Huh? They take credit cards online (with SSL) or by phone (although the time differential would be a bit of an issue for calling). They charge in US currency so you get the credit card company's exchange rate, but I assume you knew that. Actually, I didn't see faxing a card anywhere although I normally consider that safe (unlike sending the number in cleartext e-mail) unless the fax # appears to be fraudulent. > > Odd company, they also have > BLACK SHOELACE 72 PAIR IN BOX Details $1.44 > Extra Strenght Tylenol Box of 150 caplets Expires Jan 07 > Details $1.50 > > MR. COFFEE Filter 100 Box for cup size 8-12 Details $5.00 > I didn't look, but I guess that's the "butter" part. > > It is nice to see the Akai cassette range. I did not know they > still made tapes. or > is that new old stock? I'd guess old stock, although they sure got a ton of the Maxell which I would presume was old stock (not the regular XLII tapes they have, but the XLIIS ones. But I don't know. Incidentally, shipping for 200 tapes to the 91107 was about $30, if I recall from my order (they charged it odd in that they charged the shipping separately--you don't get the actually shipping when you give them the card number, but a warning it will be added, as well as some means to estimate it.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cpsalvestrini at cantv.net Wed Sep 20 20:29:23 2006 From: cpsalvestrini at cantv.net (Carlos Manuel Pires) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:29:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 27 message 1 In-Reply-To: <200609201623.k8KGMusI029136@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001d01c6dce2$b2351260$0127a8c0@plusmetal.lan> I am a proud owner of a 1000 ZXL, it is an impressive piece of hardware, goes on strong and with impressive sound quality even after 20 years (it´s a 1982 model). When I get it back from service I´ll register it on Naks.com, and I might even consider appraising it by a specialist, see how much it´s worth today. I am also plodding along with the rebuilding of a 1000 ZXL Limited, I may have to have some pieces rebuilt from scratch (aka faceplate and plastic knobs) as they are simply unfindable in the market. Wish me luck with the project! -----Mensaje original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] En nombre de naktalk-request at naks.com Enviado el: Miércoles, 20 de Septiembre de 2006 12:23 Para: naktalk at naks.com Asunto: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 27 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL REALLY IS IMPRESSIVE!!...WOW!!:) (jerryjg) 2. Re: nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? (jerryjg) 3. I.M. Suppressor circuit (Jeff Bobeck) 4. Re: Maxell XL-IIS (and other) source (Mikkel Breiler) 5. RX202 tray repare (slavkag) 6. CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL (BOEING747600 at aol.com) 7. Re: nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? (Hi Tech) 8. Re: I.M. Suppressor circuit (Hi Tech) 9. Re: CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL (Hi Tech) 10. Re: I.M. Suppressor circuit (Ron) 11. CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL (Kimo B. Yap) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:30:26 -0500 From: jerryjg Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL REALLY IS IMPRESSIVE!!...WOW!!:) To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 What'd you have to give for it? On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:31:27 -0500, wrote: > Hi Luis, Many THANKS! :) for sending that link to 1000ZXL free owner's > manual. I am so excited kind wait to try it out!!! it REALLY!!! is an > empressive > machine . I have a Nakamichi Dragon also owned CR 7A and many other > Nakamichi hi-end cassette deck BUT! none of these come EVEN CLOSE!! > to looking like Nakamichi 1000 ZXL in comparision cometically atleast > the the dragon, cr 7a and others look like cheap toys! If you have a > 1000 ZXL then you might be knowing > why?! I am saying this!! And oh that gorgeous red rosewood cabinet!! > You get > the idea! SORRY FOR GETTING CARRIED AWAY!! > > With Best Regards! > > Ali -- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:52:26 -0500 From: jerryjg Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Hi Tom,I have one 700 tri-tracer, and another on the way Saturday hopefully.They are fantastic machines, having those XLR jacks and big analog VU meters. Also,they are rugged and reliable.The sound is warm and rich. Hopefully you will see one of mine oneday...oh wait,I forgot, I dont want to encourage bids against me on these decks...they are awful- terrible -sell them to me for 50.00! On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:30:33 -0500, Hi Tech wrote: > I am amazed at the number of 700 and 1000 tri tracers for sale. These > decks only lack metal tape RECORD functions, and Dolby C. Since many > people eschew C and metal tape is no longer manufactured, these > machines are actually worth considering. > > I still think the 1/2 speed 680 is the ultimate Nakamichi. Are there > any NakTalkers that have a collection of 1/2 speed metal tapes? I > would love to know how the collection has held up over the years, and > if there are any sonic issues. > > > tom brucker > > At 01:07 AM 9/19/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>>> > Hey, I just picked up a 1000 Tri Tracer, and am anxiously awaiting > delivery! You can pickup a manual for your 1000 ZXL here: > anual_ > W0QQitemZ5872559070QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem>http://cgi.e > W0QQitemZ5872559070QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem>bay.ca > /Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ5872 > 559070 QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > > -- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:40:03 -0700 From: "Jeff Bobeck" Subject: [naktalk] I.M. Suppressor circuit To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All, I have a question about the I.M. Suppressor switch on the NAK 600. I do not currently have a 600 to observe the effect. I am wondering if this circuitry is in the other NAK decks, but non-switchable. I cannot find anything in my owner's manuals. I have two reasons for asking: 1 When playing tapes on any NAK, the midrange is so much clearer than when I play the same cassettes on other decks. There is a slight lack of clarity that I always assumed was a normal limitation of the cassette format. To me this was the "tape" sound. When I play cassettes on NAKs, I do not hear any muddying of the midrange. This could be due to IM distortion not being suppressed in other decks, or simply better design of a NAK. 2 I seem to remember reading about this sometime in the 1980s, but I do not remember the source (High Fidelity or Stereo Review) or whether it was an advertisement or a product review. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:22:04 +0200 From: Mikkel Breiler Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell XL-IIS (and other) source To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:38:03 -0700, "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: >I'm under the impression that Maxell XL-IIS tapes aren't made any more >and some like them. >I found a message about this on some other board (I think one of the >asylum boards but I can't remember for sure now): > >http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/page/bb/CTGY/audio > >They have XL-IIS in 60, 90, and 100 min lengths for as low as $1 a pop. >You do have to by 200 to get that price, but even in smaller quantities >they aren't too bad ($1.25 for one), especially if they aren't >available elsewhere. > >They also have some other formulations I haven't seen in the US for a >while, like TDK-SAX, but those aren't as cheap. Their international sales pat sucks a bit. Bank wire transfers are expensive that I know of. And photocopying / scanning my credit card is not gonna happen. Odd company, they also have BLACK SHOELACE 72 PAIR IN BOX Details $1.44 Extra Strenght Tylenol Box of 150 caplets Expires Jan 07 Details $1.50 MR. COFFEE Filter 100 Box for cup size 8-12 Details $5.00 Something you don't get at all the other online media webstores. It is nice to see the Akai cassette range. I did not know they still made tapes. or is that new old stock? -Mikkel ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: slavkag Subject: [naktalk] RX202 tray repare To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20060920022546.63091.qmail at web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi everyone, I have RX202 which didn’t flip a cassette, eject/loadworked fine though. Tray belt looked bad, and I replaced it with a new one, butnow all tray functions are completely off-track, and I can’t even bringit to the state it was before. What may be the reason? What is the procedure ofinitial tray tuning (not a fine-tuning)? How to find a “zero-point”to start the tuning from? Any suggestions? I wish I at least had the schematic of logic PCB… Regards, Slava --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060919/67bc340b/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:51:38 EDT From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HI Everyone! Does anyone knows a source for capstan belt and idler tire that will fit Nakamichi 1000 ZXL. Any kind help in this regard will be much appreciated! I have decided to replace these as they seem in need of replacement due to wear that happen over the years and is normal and is to be expected! Wish Nakamichi has decided on direct drive motors instead of all these belts even in their top of the line 1000zxl . My other tape deck Revox B 710 has 4 direct drive motors. There must have been a reason for Nakamichi not choosing direct drive motors even on this $3800 when new 1000zxl I wouldnt imagine Nakamichi cutting corners to save dollars by going the other way I mean saving cost by not installing 4 direct drive motors, maybe the ABLE circuit would not have worked with a direct drive motor. And speaking of circuits this beast should be awarded the award for the complexity of it circuits it looks I am working on desk top computer than on a tape deck! Its a jungle out there! i.e. inside a 1000 zxl! if you know what I mean!:) With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060920/bec3b948/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:11:20 -0500 From: Hi Tech Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060920091120.00831100 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It is odd. There seem to be more 700 decks than Dragons. When the 700 was introduced, all other cassette decks were jokes. At $700 US it was VERY expensive. I don't think our little community can drive up the price, since our posts are not indexed by Google. The low price unfortunately adds another $50 for shipping! tom brucker At 01:52 PM 9/19/06 -0500, you wrote: > Hi Tom,I have one 700 tri-tracer, and another on the way Saturday >hopefully.They are fantastic machines, having those XLR jacks and big >analog VU meters. Also,they are rugged and reliable.The sound is warm >and rich. Hopefully you will see one of mine oneday...oh wait,I forgot, >I dont want to encourage bids against me on these decks...they are awful- >terrible -sell them to me for 50.00! On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 >08:30:33 -0500, Hi Tech wrote: > >> I am amazed at the number of 700 and 1000 tri tracers for sale. These >> decks only lack metal tape RECORD functions, and Dolby C. Since many >> people eschew C and metal tape is no longer manufactured, these >> machines are actually worth considering. >> >> I still think the 1/2 speed 680 is the ultimate Nakamichi. Are there >> any NakTalkers that have a collection of 1/2 speed metal tapes? I >> would love to know how the collection has held up over the years, and >> if there are any sonic issues. >> >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 01:07 AM 9/19/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>>>> >> Hey, I just picked up a 1000 Tri Tracer, and am anxiously awaiting >> delivery! You can pickup a manual for your 1000 ZXL here: >> > W0QQitemZ5872559070QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem>http://cgi.eba W0QQitemZ5872559070QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem>y.ca >> /Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ5872559070 >> QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> >> >> > > > >-- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:19:22 -0500 From: Hi Tech Subject: Re: [naktalk] I.M. Suppressor circuit To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060920091922.008308a0 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" IM was only in the 600, and was not in the 600II. It is very similar to NAD "soft clipping" , but uses diodes in a feedback loop to give a reverse IM distortion to the signal. What you hear is mostly the result of superior head construction. Heads have physical signal to noise, distortion, and dynamic range properties. The better head designs lower all these audible effects. Most audio components distort in an additive nature. Frequency response can be subtractive or additive. Nak had very low distortion, very smooth lo freq. "head bumps" extended hi freq. , and flat midrange (accurate EQ). You probably listen to human voice (music) , and recognize low midrange coloration. tom brucker At 12:40 PM 9/19/06 -0700, Jeff Bobeck wrote: >All, > >I have a question about the I.M. Suppressor switch on the NAK 600. I >do not currently have a 600 to observe the effect. I am wondering if >this circuitry is in the other NAK decks, but non-switchable. I cannot >find anything in my owner's manuals. I have two reasons for asking: > >1 When playing tapes on any NAK, the midrange is so much clearer than >when I play the same cassettes on other decks. There is a slight lack >of clarity that I always assumed was a normal limitation of the >cassette format. To me this was the "tape" sound. When I play >cassettes on NAKs, I do not hear any muddying of the midrange. This >could be due to IM distortion not being suppressed in other decks, or simply better design of a NAK. > >2 I seem to remember reading about this sometime in the 1980s, but I do >not remember the source (High Fidelity or Stereo Review) or whether it >was an advertisement or a product review. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:22:15 -0500 From: Hi Tech Subject: Re: [naktalk] CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060920092215.0083e470 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nakamichi fought flutter religiously. Direct drive low rotation speeds were difficult to make flutterless. Their capstan motors were massive for this reason. Contrast Nak to Sony BSL motors in the TCK55 tom brucker At 06:51 AM 9/20/06 EDT, you wrote: >>>> HI Everyone! Does anyone knows a source for capstan belt and idler tire that will fit Nakamichi 1000 ZXL. Any kind help in this regard will be much appreciated! I have decided to replace these as they seem in need of replacement due to wear that happen over the years and is normal and is to be expected! Wish Nakamichi has decided on direct drive motors instead of all these belts even in their top of the line 1000zxl . My other tape deck Revox B 710 has 4 direct drive motors. There must have been a reason for Nakamichi not choosing direct drive motors even on this $3800 when new 1000zxl I wouldnt imagine Nakamichi cutting corners to save dollars by going the other way I mean saving cost by not installing 4 direct drive motors, maybe the ABLE circuit would not have worked with a direct drive motor. And speaking of circuits this beast should be awarded the award for the complexity of it circuits it looks I am working on desk top computer than on a tape deck! Its a jungle out there! i.e. inside a 1000 zxl! if you know what I mean!:) With Best Regards! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:32:10 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] I.M. Suppressor circuit To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <451150EA.7050407 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I didn't know about this IM suppression circuit and your post got me interested. So, I took a look at the 600 service manual, where the circuit is explained and a schematic provided. Essentially, the circuit modifies playback time domain levels, causing waveform distortion that (hopefully) counteracts the distortion that was caused by tape saturation during high level portions of the recording. Obviously, MOL differs from tape to tape, while the circuit behaviour is constant. Thus, the overall result could be increased -- rather than reduced -- distortion. Nakamichi provided adjustments to be made for specific tape formulations, (one for type I, one for type II). Even so, I am not sure how well the characteristic curves of the diodes in the circuit match tape saturation curves, since the two are not related. The circuit does not become effective until the playback level is reached where the tape must have approached saturation. So, anyone that is careful to avoid over-recording will not see an advantage and better switch is off. (Even at low levels, the circuit is liable to produce some distortion of it's own.) Will the circuit make better sound? I think that, using the tape for which it was adjusted, the answer is probably in the affirmative -- otherwise, the whole thing would be an exercise in futility. I don't know whether Nakamichi used the circuit in other decks. It would make no sense in machines that are supposed to accommodate many tape formulations and have user adjustable bias and levels for the purpose. My view is that, where implemented, it better be switchable. -- Ron Jeff Bobeck wrote: > All, > > I have a question about the I.M. Suppressor switch on the NAK 600. I > do not currently have a 600 to observe the effect. I am wondering if > this circuitry is in the other NAK decks, but non-switchable. I > cannot find anything in my owner's manuals. I have two reasons for asking: > > 1 When playing tapes on any NAK, the midrange is so much clearer than > when I play the same cassettes on other decks. There is a slight lack > of clarity that I always assumed was a normal limitation of the > cassette format. To me this was the "tape" sound. When I play > cassettes on NAKs, I do not hear any muddying of the midrange. This > could be due to IM distortion not being suppressed in other decks, or simply better design of a NAK. > > 2 I seem to remember reading about this sometime in the 1980s, but I > do not remember the source (High Fidelity or Stereo Review) or whether > it was an advertisement or a product review. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:19:33 -0700 From: "Kimo B. Yap" Subject: [naktalk] CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <48583974-4401-47F4-9242-A6489EA493AF at alumni.caltech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed They did go to direct drive motors, but not until later. The Dragon and ZX-9 are direct drive. If you read the brochures for them, they explain they didn't want to give up one set of problems in the w/f battle for others. They only did direct drive when they felt they could improve everything, and their motors are a special technology to do so. At least that was the marketing slant on what they did. The motor is the same technology as the one they developed for the Dragon turntable, IIRC. Belt drive or no, I still prefer the 1000zxl for recording and playing its own tapes. The Dragon is useful for playing tapes made on other decks. My main "frustration" with the 1000zxl is I always want every feature it has (which are legion) to work perfectly, like every one of the 50 or so bulbs (and some can cause other problems. ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 27 *************************************** From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Sep 20 22:03:24 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:03:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 27 message 1 Message-ID: <67BC22DA-26F4-4575-8E71-C24EFF3553E8@alumni.caltech.edu> > I am also plodding along with the rebuilding of a 1000 ZXL > Limited, I may have to have some pieces rebuilt from scratch (aka > faceplate > and plastic knobs) as they are simply unfindable in the market. > Wish me luck > with the project! If you get a really good match for the level knob, let me know, as I need one. I have cannibalized a black one from a non-limited deck and used gold (brass, actually) spray paint plus a black line, and it's close but not indistinguishable. Replacing ALL of them would probably match them better, but I don't think I want to do that. They are all either gold plastic or painted plastic, at least; not metal.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Wed Sep 20 22:06:50 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:06:50 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX202 tray repare (slavkag) References: <200609201624.k8KGMusK029136@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000e01c6dcf0$4ff5ac00$0201a8c0@lan> Slava, My guess is that you have all the mechanism gears out of alignment. I if the gear pointers are not lined up correctly during re-assembly.. it just plain don't work!! You will need a copy of Nakamichi Service bulletin OOD-SI-3112 to do this correctly, and once you have this, it is very very easy to do... from my own experience. You start with the main gear and work back to the PM gear ( the one with the potentiometer on top) I can scan and email a copy to you.. contact me off list, and also there may be info on Thomas' site cheers, Martin From smokelessjohnson at yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 22:30:00 2006 From: smokelessjohnson at yahoo.com (smoke johnson) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XL-IIS (and other) source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060920203000.1876.qmail@web57211.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kimo, So you did receive an order from them? Did the tapes check out ok? I've wanted to order from them, but I was a little tentative because it seemed kind of fishy. "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Their international sales pat sucks a bit. Bank wire transfers are expensive that I know of. And photocopying / scanning my credit card is not gonna happen. Huh? They take credit cards online (with SSL) or by phone (although the time differential would be a bit of an issue for calling). They charge in US currency so you get the credit card company's exchange rate, but I assume you knew that. Actually, I didn't see faxing a card anywhere although I normally consider that safe (unlike sending the number in cleartext e-mail) unless the fax # appears to be fraudulent. Odd company, they also have BLACK SHOELACE 72 PAIR IN BOX Details $1.44 Extra Strenght Tylenol Box of 150 caplets Expires Jan 07 Details $1.50 MR. COFFEE Filter 100 Box for cup size 8-12 Details $5.00 I didn't look, but I guess that's the "butter" part. It is nice to see the Akai cassette range. I did not know they still made tapes. or is that new old stock? I'd guess old stock, although they sure got a ton of the Maxell which I would presume was old stock (not the regular XLII tapes they have, but the XLIIS ones. But I don't know. Incidentally, shipping for 200 tapes to the 91107 was about $30, if I recall from my order (they charged it odd in that they charged the shipping separately--you don't get the actually shipping when you give them the card number, but a warning it will be added, as well as some means to estimate it.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Sep 20 23:34:38 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:34:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XL-IIS (and other) source Message-ID: > Kimo, > So you did receive an order from them? Did the tapes check out ok? > I've wanted to order from them, but I was a little tentative > because it seemed kind of fishy. Yes, I did receive an order from them (200 XLIIS-100s), and it took about a week. They didn't have the greatest hand-hold feel, but nothing seemed too odd. I'll admit I haven't counted or checked each one, but it looks like about 200 tapes and they do look like XL-IIS tapes in 100 min. lengths, new in the shrink wrap. The one I did take out had a bit of a poor tape pack (rewind was tough), but a] [couple offull ff/rew pass[es] was sufficient to fix that, and doesn't seem out of the ordinary for tapes that have been bulk shipped and maybe sat around in a few different warehouses (& transported between them). They say cases are 200 or 10 (10 would presumably be the more "presentable" cases; 200 is just a plain corrugated cardboard box). The case of 200 was boxed in another box with some padding.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Sep 21 04:04:37 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:04:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual, nakamichi 1000zxl Message-ID: <4fd.6193d3c.32434d35@aol.com> Hi Ken, Thanks for sending the link but for some reason it not working any more as I get message when I try to print the manal that the file is corrupted. Can you kindly send link again. How do u down load the manual. I get messages like the zip file is corrupted. With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Sep 21 04:20:35 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:20:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 zxl, having problems PLEASE HELP!!! Thanks! Message-ID: <319.abf57ba.324350f3@aol.com> Hi Everyone! Finally got to check the 1000 zxl after taking it apart to install new capstan belt, the orignal one was thin the new one is thick! Here what is and is not working : Cosmetically the machine is near mint condition, the face plate like new! The tape transport button are working , fast forward , rewind works great! The play speed is slow! ( installed new capstan belt which is same size like to original but has more thickness) sound can be heard faintly from both channels but badly distorted and there is lots of static noise ! the auto cal(ABLE) is not functioning. The pre-amp is working great but the recorded sound is just static! The vu meters works interminently but they do work. The test tone dont work it was working interminently when swtiched but now it quit for good. Any kind help to fix this great tape deck will be much appreciated! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Thu Sep 21 13:21:16 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:21:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX202 tray repare (slavkag) Message-ID: <594.66805d00.3243cfac@aol.com> In a message dated 9/20/2006 4:56:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shorty at nznet.gen.nz writes: My guess is that you have all the mechanism gears out of alignment. I if the gear pointers are not lined up correctly during re-assembly.. it just plain don't work!! You will need a copy of Nakamichi Service bulletin OOD-SI-3112 to do this correctly, and once you have this, it is very very easy to do... from my own experience. You start with the main gear and work back to the PM gear ( the one with the potentiometer on top) I can scan and email a copy to you.. contact me off list, and also there may be info on Thomas' site cheers, Is it possible to send me a copy also? Thanks Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 13:55:49 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:55:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 zxl, having problems PLEASE HELP!!! Thanks! Message-ID: My dear Ali, What I wrote you! Now you will have a new "Job/Task"...returning (If will be possible with NO "Extremely High Charges")...to a working stage again..., "BE VERY PATIENTLY...!" 14 years ago I had the same adventure....ENOUGH!!! Good Luck, Peace, ALEX! From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:20:35 -0400To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 zxl, having problems PLEASE HELP!!! Thanks! Hi Everyone! Finally got to check the 1000 zxl after taking it apart to install new capstan belt, the orignal one was thin the new one is thick! Here what is and is not working : Cosmetically the machine is near mint condition, the face plate like new! The tape transport button are working , fast forward , rewind works great! The play speed is slow! ( installed new capstan belt which is same size like to original but has more thickness) sound can be heard faintly from both channels but badly distorted and there is lots of static noise ! the auto cal(ABLE) is not functioning. The pre-amp is working great but the recorded sound is just static! The vu meters works interminently but they do work. The test tone dont work it was working interminently when swtiched but now it quit for good. Any kind help to fix this great tape deck will be much appreciated! Best Regards! Ali _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 21 15:54:18 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:54:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 zxl, having problems PLEASE HELP!!! Thanks! In-Reply-To: <319.abf57ba.324350f3@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060921085418.007a2600@earthlink.net> Sorry to hear you've uncovered problems. The capstan belt issue is easy. Buy the proper belt from ESL. Your thick belt is generic. It is so tight it loads the capstan motor bearings, causing it to run slow. I assume your record problems were present only after you serviced the belt? If so, double check the record head connector. If the connector is ok, there must be another connector causing problems. tom brucker At 10:20 PM 9/20/06 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Hi Everyone! Finally got to check the 1000 zxl after taking it apart to install new capstan belt, the orignal one was thin the new one is thick! Here what is and is not working : Cosmetically the machine is near mint condition, the face plate like new! The tape transport button are working , fast forward , rewind works great! The play speed is slow! ( installed new capstan belt which is same size like to original but has more thickness) sound can be heard faintly from both channels but badly distorted and there is lots of static noise ! the auto cal(ABLE) is not functioning. The pre-amp is working great but the recorded sound is just static! The vu meters works interminently but they do work. The test tone dont work it was working interminently when swtiched but now it quit for good. Any kind help to fix this great tape deck will be much appreciated! Best Regards! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 18:03:07 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:03:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Strange current source and other electronics In-Reply-To: <200609211000.k8LA052N005040@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi All I have a couple of questions ... slightly off topic..... but quite a lot of gurus here who can help im sure :) 1) Im beat trying to figure out the cause of this :: My Nak is parked on my PCs CPU ... there is no metal contact between the PC and the Nak's body. In fact i have a 4mm thick polycarbonate layer in between now. It is disconnected from the mains totally, yet everytime i touch any metal part barefoot, i get a slight shock. What on earth is this ?? What is the cause ?? 2) Can anybody guide me to any decent electronic schematics for a) Damping the signal from my preamp to the headphones ... so that when its turned on my headphones dont thump b) A good line filter ... Items 2 a/b i would prefer to construct myself. Any help much appreciated. Many thanks Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Tried the new MSN Messenger? It�s cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 19:06:37 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:06:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Strange current source and other electronics In-Reply-To: <200609211000.k8LA052N005040@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi All This link may be of interest to audio enthusiasts who like DIY projects too. http://sound.westhost.com/ Best Wishes Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Discover. Explore. Connect-Windows Live Spaces. Check out! http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/livespaces.asp From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 21 19:59:59 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:59:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Strange current source and other electronics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4512D31F.4090001@rcn.com> noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi All > > I have a couple of questions ... slightly off topic..... but quite a lot > of gurus here who can help im sure :) > > 1) Im beat trying to figure out the cause of this :: > My Nak is parked on my PCs CPU ... there is no metal contact between the > PC and the Nak's body. In fact i have a 4mm thick polycarbonate layer in > between now. > It is disconnected from the mains totally, yet everytime i touch any > metal part barefoot, i get a slight shock. > What on earth is this ?? What is the cause ?? probably, the deck power transformer or EMI filter has a leakage to the chassis. Due to the proximity of the PC (whose chassis is (or should be) grounded, you get a slight shock by touching both at the same time. Try touching the Nak ONLY. If you do not feel the shock, this supposition is correct. Also, measure Nak chassis to outlet ground with a high impedance AC meter. If you read anything over about 5VAC, have the Nak repaired. (If the power transformer is leaky, repair will be too expensive. In that case, simply ground the deck chassis. If this doesn't cause hum, you're all set). > 2) Can anybody guide me to any decent electronic schematics for > a) Damping the signal from my preamp to the headphones ... so that when > its turned on my headphones dont thump This is not 'damping the signal'. Your headphone amp outputs a transient when turned on. Could be poor design, could be a fault. In any case, it should be corrected at the source, not by adding a circuit. > b) A good line filter ... Depends on what you want the line filter to do. If all you want is to quench line transients, buy a large MOV, 130VAC to 150VAC rating. The 'Joule' rating should be as high as possible -- say, at least 50 Joules (you can connect a few identical MOVs in parallel. The 'Joule' rating will be multiplied by the number of MOVs). Build an extension box and connect the MOVs in parallel right across the output outlets. -- Ron > Items 2 a/b i would prefer to construct myself. > > Any help much appreciated. > > Many thanks > Soumi From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 21 20:33:39 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:33:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Strange current source and other electronics In-Reply-To: <4512D31F.4090001@rcn.com> References: <4512D31F.4090001@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4512DB03.1080204@rcn.com> Oooops..... In my reply, I assumed that you live in the States, with a line voltage of 115VAC. If the line voltage in your home is 230VAC, the MOVs should have a rating of 300VAC. -- Ron Ron wrote: > noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I have a couple of questions ... slightly off topic..... but quite a >> lot of gurus here who can help im sure :) >> >> 1) Im beat trying to figure out the cause of this :: >> My Nak is parked on my PCs CPU ... there is no metal contact between >> the PC and the Nak's body. In fact i have a 4mm thick polycarbonate >> layer in between now. >> It is disconnected from the mains totally, yet everytime i touch any >> metal part barefoot, i get a slight shock. >> What on earth is this ?? What is the cause ?? > > probably, the deck power transformer or EMI filter has a leakage > to the chassis. Due to the proximity of the PC (whose chassis is > (or should be) grounded, you get a slight shock by touching both > at the same time. > > Try touching the Nak ONLY. If you do not feel the shock, this > supposition is correct. Also, measure Nak chassis to outlet > ground with a high impedance AC meter. If you read anything > over about 5VAC, have the Nak repaired. (If the power > transformer is leaky, repair will be too expensive. In that > case, simply ground the deck chassis. If this doesn't cause > hum, you're all set). > >> 2) Can anybody guide me to any decent electronic schematics for >> a) Damping the signal from my preamp to the headphones ... so that >> when its turned on my headphones dont thump > > This is not 'damping the signal'. Your headphone amp outputs > a transient when turned on. Could be poor design, could be a > fault. In any case, it should be corrected at the source, not > by adding a circuit. > >> b) A good line filter ... > > Depends on what you want the line filter to do. If all you > want is to quench line transients, buy a large MOV, 130VAC > to 150VAC rating. The 'Joule' rating should be as high as > possible -- say, at least 50 Joules (you can connect a few > identical MOVs in parallel. The 'Joule' rating will be > multiplied by the number of MOVs). > > Build an extension box and connect the MOVs in parallel right > across the output outlets. > > -- Ron > > >> Items 2 a/b i would prefer to construct myself. >> >> Any help much appreciated. >> >> Many thanks >> Soumi From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 21 15:32:32 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 06:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Meter calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060921133232.87803.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Everyone, I have a meter calibration question. Comes from the BX300 service manual. Inject a 400hz tone, measure 1 volt on the output, then there's a "-4db" Adjust meter cal pots to read "0" db on the deck's meters. With today's digital voltmeters how do I figure -4db? Since 3db is half, that would make it 1/2 volt, and -4 db would be something less than 1/2 volt. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Sep 21 16:40:37 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:40:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CONTACT INFO FOR STEHPEN SANK & B&W FOR NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL REPAIR Message-ID: <53d.21d7314.3243fe65@aol.com> HI Tom, I purchased this at ebay for more than $800!! seller said got from wife husband had passed away and had been sitting there not used for long time by anyone. When it arrived the power came on hitting any of the transport button made the light come on but nothing else. Removing the wood case showed at one time sone had tried just tried to see what was inside and gave up! All the wiring harness small black and clear plastic clips were in place no one has ever worked on it. I took it apart very very carefully! cleaned every single connector and switch all of the terminals are very clearly labelled . Since my previous email I have again taken everything apart and again very painstakingly cleaned every single switch , every single connector by cleaning them with quality silicon based cleaner. The pinch roller has been cleaned carefully, the idler rubber whell too the contact area were the rubber rub against the reel plastic spools cleaned with a very fine 400 sand paper to remove the oil dirt glaze so there is no slipping. The idler rubber looks ok . Every single terminal connector has been cleaned with this silicon based quality lubricator/contact cleaner one , the reason for all this is first I want this tape deck to be REALLY MINT! and perform like new! The Azimuth motor belt appeared to have never moved when I first tested the machine after cleaning it, all motor have been given small shot of the above lubricator/cleaner. The machine has indeed not been used much and no one has ever! worked on it! All the fuses are good. I going to install the old orginal belt and see if the capstan speed comes back to normal and again VERY CAREFULLY CONNECT ALL THE CONNECTORS LABELLED SO TO MAKE DOUBLE SURE I DIDNT ACCIDENTLY CONNECTED THEM TO THE WRONG TERMINALS SPECIALLY WILL SEE THAT THE CONNECTORS GOING FROM THE HEADS AND TAPE TRANSPORT I.E. ABLE AND OTHER MOTORS FROM ARE CONNECTED CORRECTLY MAYBE! I WILL BE SUCESSFUL THIS TIME. Yes I will be ordering the orignal belt from either B&W in UK or ESL in USA. If some one has phone number or email of either of them it will be appreciated! IF EVERYTHING FAILS THEN I MIGHT HAVE TO SEND IT EITHER TO B&W IN UK OR STEPHEN SANK OR EVEN ESL . HOW MUCH DO U THINK IT MIGHT COST ME?!!WOULD LOVE TO FIX IT MYSELF FIRST! I THINK I CAN DO IT IF YOU KIND PEOPLE CAN HELP ME!! I CAN DO IT!! Also was thinking of calling Stephen Sank on phone if someone has is number in Arizona or email contact info. I once talked to him couple of years ago was a very nice and patient man. Still waiting on Ken to send me another link to download the service manual the first time he sent I was able to download but the print quality was not as good tried to do it the second time but now it says file is corrupted. Confused at the moment what do?!! either fix it myself I know I can do it!! I have fixed by Dragon and RX 505 and even my CR 7A and can fix this one too! if guided by right person~ Many Thanks! With Best Regards! as Always! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg56322 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 19:59:28 2006 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Message-ID: <20060921175928.27694.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> I found some Fuji tapes at a local store for a bargain price and scooped all of ZII they had. They also had Fuji DR-II made in China, but I was reluctant to buy because they were selling by the box only. Somewhere in the corner of my mind I had impression that DR-II is not as good as ZII and worse than Maxell XL-II. Does anyone have experience with these tapes? Are they of the same quality as ones made in Japan? TIA Bob ................................................. "Everywhere in the world where knowledge is being supressed, knowledge that, if it were made known, would shatter our image of the world and force us to question ourselves--everywhere there, Heart of Darkness is being enacted." - Sven Lindqvist ................................................. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Sep 21 20:42:09 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:42:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Strange current source and other electronics - about MOV's In-Reply-To: <4512D31F.4090001@rcn.com> References: <4512D31F.4090001@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4512DD01.8090503@cox.net> You have to be careful about MOV's rated at too low a voltage. A 130VAC MOV may sound like the best protection for US appliances which run on 120VAC, but an MOV which is subjected to short spikes above it's rated voltage can sustain damage and eventually become leaky and fail. Sometimes there are surges on the AC line which can exceed 130VAC, specially in very rural areas or when heavy equipment goes on or off line. And when MOV's get leaky, they can get hot enough to catch nearby things on fire. There are documented cases of this happening. See - http://www.rbs2.com/fire.htm and - http://cerc.eng.usf.edu/std_individual/Stelios.pdf#search=%22metal%20oxide%20varistor%20fire%22 for nicely written papers on the topic. Google - metal oxide varistor fire - for some more interesting reading. The recommendation is to use an MOV rated at about twice the line voltage. This will still afford plenty of protection against spikes and will be much safer. Tim Ron wrote: > noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I have a couple of questions ... slightly off topic..... but quite a >> lot of gurus here who can help im sure :) >> >> 1) Im beat trying to figure out the cause of this :: >> My Nak is parked on my PCs CPU ... there is no metal contact between >> the PC and the Nak's body. In fact i have a 4mm thick polycarbonate >> layer in between now. >> It is disconnected from the mains totally, yet everytime i touch any >> metal part barefoot, i get a slight shock. >> What on earth is this ?? What is the cause ?? > > probably, the deck power transformer or EMI filter has a leakage > to the chassis. Due to the proximity of the PC (whose chassis is > (or should be) grounded, you get a slight shock by touching both > at the same time. > > Try touching the Nak ONLY. If you do not feel the shock, this > supposition is correct. Also, measure Nak chassis to outlet > ground with a high impedance AC meter. If you read anything > over about 5VAC, have the Nak repaired. (If the power > transformer is leaky, repair will be too expensive. In that > case, simply ground the deck chassis. If this doesn't cause > hum, you're all set). > >> 2) Can anybody guide me to any decent electronic schematics for >> a) Damping the signal from my preamp to the headphones ... so that >> when its turned on my headphones dont thump > > This is not 'damping the signal'. Your headphone amp outputs > a transient when turned on. Could be poor design, could be a > fault. In any case, it should be corrected at the source, not > by adding a circuit. > >> b) A good line filter ... > > Depends on what you want the line filter to do. If all you > want is to quench line transients, buy a large MOV, 130VAC > to 150VAC rating. The 'Joule' rating should be as high as > possible -- say, at least 50 Joules (you can connect a few > identical MOVs in parallel. The 'Joule' rating will be > multiplied by the number of MOVs). > > Build an extension box and connect the MOVs in parallel right > across the output outlets. > > -- Ron > > >> Items 2 a/b i would prefer to construct myself. >> >> Any help much appreciated. >> >> Many thanks >> Soumi > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From kmashlan at shaw.ca Thu Sep 21 16:59:13 2006 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:59:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual, nakamichi 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <4fd.6193d3c.32434d35@aol.com> Message-ID: <002e01c6dd8e$80b9e9c0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> It should be working, the zip is large - 60MB, but I see a bunch of people have downloaded it. Has anyone else had problems with it? Ken _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: September 20, 2006 7:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual, nakamichi 1000zxl Hi Ken, Thanks for sending the link but for some reason it not working any more as I get message when I try to print the manal that the file is corrupted. Can you kindly send link again. How do u down load the manual. I get messages like the zip file is corrupted. With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Thu Sep 21 21:05:35 2006 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:05:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 700II Repair Message-ID: Try this guy he has all the tools Dean Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 21 21:16:44 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:16:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Meter calibration In-Reply-To: <20060921133232.87803.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060921141644.00843c00@earthlink.net> Bob, You need an AC voltmeter to deal with dB.-6dB is 1/2 when working with voltage. -4dB from 1v AC is about 0.64 volts if that helps. tom brucker At 06:32 AM 9/21/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Everyone, I have a meter calibration question. Comes from the BX300 service manual. Inject a 400hz tone, measure 1 volt on the output, then there's a "-4db" Adjust meter cal pots to read "0" db on the deck's meters. With today's digital voltmeters how do I figure -4db? Since 3db is half, that would make it 1/2 volt, and -4 db would be something less than 1/2 volt. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance, Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 21 21:27:39 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Meter calibration In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060921141644.00843c00@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060921192739.48954.qmail@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I thought 3 db was half? The meter I have is a "Mac tools" which I believe is made by Fluke. It does read AC. I understood 1 volt minus 3db would be 1/2 volt???? Do I have that wrong? Thanks, Bob Hi Tech wrote: Bob, You need an AC voltmeter to deal with dB.-6dB is 1/2 when working with voltage. -4dB from 1v AC is about 0.64 volts if that helps. tom brucker At 06:32 AM 9/21/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Everyone, I have a meter calibration question. Comes from the BX300 service manual. Inject a 400hz tone, measure 1 volt on the output, then there's a "-4db" Adjust meter cal pots to read "0" db on the deck's meters. With today's digital voltmeters how do I figure -4db? Since 3db is half, that would make it 1/2 volt, and -4 db would be something less than 1/2 volt. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance, Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 21 22:10:07 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:10:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Strange current source and other electronics - about MOV's In-Reply-To: <4512DD01.8090503@cox.net> References: <4512D31F.4090001@rcn.com> <4512DD01.8090503@cox.net> Message-ID: <4512F19F.8020706@rcn.com> Tim, Of course, MOVs are subjected to voltage transients -- that's what they are there for. If you had no transients, you wouldn't need the MOVs. It's also true that over time, MOVs deteriorate and eventually must be replaced. OTOH, I've had some MOVs in the power distribution system for my A/V setup for 8 years now, with no problem. Can't recall their voltage rating, though. -- Ron Tim Barrett wrote: > > You have to be careful about MOV's rated at too low a voltage. A 130VAC > MOV may sound like the best protection for US appliances which run on > 120VAC, but an MOV which is subjected to short spikes above it's rated > voltage can sustain damage and eventually become leaky and fail. > Sometimes there are surges on the AC line which can exceed 130VAC, > specially in very rural areas or when heavy equipment goes on or off > line. And when MOV's get leaky, they can get hot enough to catch nearby > things on fire. There are documented cases of this happening. > > See - http://www.rbs2.com/fire.htm > and - > http://cerc.eng.usf.edu/std_individual/Stelios.pdf#search=%22metal%20oxide%20varistor%20fire%22 > > for nicely written papers on the topic. > Google - metal oxide varistor fire - for some more interesting reading. > > The recommendation is to use an MOV rated at about twice the line > voltage. This will still afford plenty of protection against spikes and > will be much safer. > > Tim > > > > Ron wrote: >> noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >>> Hi All >>> >>> I have a couple of questions ... slightly off topic..... but quite a >>> lot of gurus here who can help im sure :) >>> >>> 1) Im beat trying to figure out the cause of this :: >>> My Nak is parked on my PCs CPU ... there is no metal contact between >>> the PC and the Nak's body. In fact i have a 4mm thick polycarbonate >>> layer in between now. >>> It is disconnected from the mains totally, yet everytime i touch any >>> metal part barefoot, i get a slight shock. >>> What on earth is this ?? What is the cause ?? >> >> probably, the deck power transformer or EMI filter has a leakage >> to the chassis. Due to the proximity of the PC (whose chassis is >> (or should be) grounded, you get a slight shock by touching both >> at the same time. >> >> Try touching the Nak ONLY. If you do not feel the shock, this >> supposition is correct. Also, measure Nak chassis to outlet >> ground with a high impedance AC meter. If you read anything >> over about 5VAC, have the Nak repaired. (If the power >> transformer is leaky, repair will be too expensive. In that >> case, simply ground the deck chassis. If this doesn't cause >> hum, you're all set). >> >>> 2) Can anybody guide me to any decent electronic schematics for >>> a) Damping the signal from my preamp to the headphones ... so that >>> when its turned on my headphones dont thump >> >> This is not 'damping the signal'. Your headphone amp outputs >> a transient when turned on. Could be poor design, could be a >> fault. In any case, it should be corrected at the source, not >> by adding a circuit. >> >>> b) A good line filter ... >> >> Depends on what you want the line filter to do. If all you >> want is to quench line transients, buy a large MOV, 130VAC >> to 150VAC rating. The 'Joule' rating should be as high as >> possible -- say, at least 50 Joules (you can connect a few >> identical MOVs in parallel. The 'Joule' rating will be >> multiplied by the number of MOVs). >> >> Build an extension box and connect the MOVs in parallel right >> across the output outlets. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> Items 2 a/b i would prefer to construct myself. >>> >>> Any help much appreciated. >>> >>> Many thanks >>> Soumi From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 21 22:18:58 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:18:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Meter calibration In-Reply-To: <20060921192739.48954.qmail@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060921192739.48954.qmail@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4512F3B2.4020404@rcn.com> Bob, -3db is half the power, -6db is half the voltage. The equation is: db = 20*log (V2/V1) (V1 and V2 are voltages) or, expressed differently: db = 10*log (P2/P1) (P1 and P2 are voltages). These are the same equation, just expressed differently. (Remember that power is proportional to the voltage squared and log of a squared value is twice the log of the value). Because you are dealing with voltages in the BX-300 calibration procedure, the first form, above, applies. Hope this clarifies matters. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Tom, I thought 3 db was half? The meter I have is a "Mac tools" which I > believe is made by Fluke. It does read AC. I understood 1 volt minus > 3db would be 1/2 volt???? Do I have that wrong? > Thanks, Bob > > */Hi Tech /* wrote: > > Bob, > You need an AC voltmeter to deal with dB.-6dB is 1/2 when working with > voltage. -4dB from 1v AC is about 0.64 volts if that helps. > > tom brucker > > At 06:32 AM 9/21/06 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> > Everyone, > I have a meter calibration question. Comes from the BX300 service > manual. > Inject a 400hz tone, measure 1 volt on the output, then there's a "-4db" > Adjust meter cal pots to read "0" db on the deck's meters. > With today's digital voltmeters how do I figure -4db? Since 3db is half, > that would make it 1/2 volt, and -4 db would be something less than 1/2 > volt. Am I missing something? > Thanks in advance, > Bob > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 21 22:40:04 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:40:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Meter calibration In-Reply-To: <20060921192739.48954.qmail@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20060921141644.00843c00@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060921154004.008453d0@earthlink.net> -3dB is 1/2 for power, which voltage times current . -6dB is 1/2 for voltage or current only. These relationships are what education is all about. It explains why people get mystified by speaker crossovers! Most hand held digital meters roll off AC above 1kHz, and are "average" reading. An AC voltmeter, or true AC digital meter will have response past 20kHz and true RMS AC readings. In other works, your meter will dial in 400Hz, but do not use it to set bias. tom brucker At 12:27 PM 9/21/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom, I thought 3 db was half? The meter I have is a "Mac tools" which I believe is made by Fluke. It does read AC. I understood 1 volt minus 3db would be 1/2 volt???? Do I have that wrong? Thanks, Bob Hi Tech wrote: Bob, You need an AC voltmeter to deal with dB.-6dB is 1/2 when working with voltage. -4dB from 1v AC is about 0.64 volts if that helps. tom brucker At 06:32 AM 9/21/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Everyone, I have a meter calibration question. Comes from the BX300 service manual. Inject a 400hz tone, measure 1 volt on the output, then there's a "-4db" Adjust meter cal pots to read "0" db on the deck's meters. With today's digital voltmeters how do I figure -4db? Since 3db is half, that would make it 1/2 volt, and -4 db would be something less than 1/2 volt. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance, Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 22:50:13 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:50:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: <200609212019.k8LKJd1D010853@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Tim and Ron Thanks for the info. ill be sure to check out on the MOVs. But you have (i think) missed the critical part ... The NAK is NOT connected to the mains ,... the plug is in my hand (not in the socket) and using a DMM i measured approx 21.3V between the NAK body and the earthing. And the NAK is insulated from the CPU or anything else beside it. I should let you know that i have a couple of fluorescent light ballasts (6 of them & on) within 2 feet of the NAK ... if that makes any sense tho ... dont know. How on earth does an object, virtually shielded from any conduction manage to get a potential difference of more that 20 V unconnected ?? Thanks for any info on this Best Regards Soumi >From: Tim Barrett >Reply-To: timbarrett at cox.net,Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Strange current source and other electronics - >aboutMOV's >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:42:09 -0400 > >You have to be careful about MOV's rated at too low a voltage. A 130VAC >MOV may sound like the best protection for US appliances which run on >120VAC, but an MOV which is subjected to short spikes above it's rated >voltage can sustain damage and eventually become leaky and fail. Sometimes >there are surges on the AC line which can exceed 130VAC, specially in very >rural areas or when heavy equipment goes on or off line. And when MOV's >get leaky, they can get hot enough to catch nearby things on fire. There >are documented cases of this happening. > >See - http://www.rbs2.com/fire.htm >and - >http://cerc.eng.usf.edu/std_individual/Stelios.pdf#search=%22metal%20oxide%20varistor%20fire%22 >for nicely written papers on the topic. > >Google - metal oxide varistor fire - for some more interesting reading. > >The recommendation is to use an MOV rated at about twice the line voltage. >This will still afford plenty of protection against spikes and will be much >safer. > >Tim > > > >Ron wrote: >>noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >>>Hi All >>> >>>I have a couple of questions ... slightly off topic..... but quite a lot >>>of gurus here who can help im sure :) >>> >>>1) Im beat trying to figure out the cause of this :: >>>My Nak is parked on my PCs CPU ... there is no metal contact between the >>>PC and the Nak's body. In fact i have a 4mm thick polycarbonate layer in >>>between now. >>>It is disconnected from the mains totally, yet everytime i touch any >>>metal part barefoot, i get a slight shock. >>>What on earth is this ?? What is the cause ?? >> >>probably, the deck power transformer or EMI filter has a leakage >>to the chassis. Due to the proximity of the PC (whose chassis is >>(or should be) grounded, you get a slight shock by touching both >>at the same time. >> >>Try touching the Nak ONLY. If you do not feel the shock, this supposition >>is correct. Also, measure Nak chassis to outlet >>ground with a high impedance AC meter. If you read anything >>over about 5VAC, have the Nak repaired. (If the power >>transformer is leaky, repair will be too expensive. In that >>case, simply ground the deck chassis. If this doesn't cause >>hum, you're all set). >> >>>2) Can anybody guide me to any decent electronic schematics for >>> a) Damping the signal from my preamp to the headphones ... so that when >>>its turned on my headphones dont thump >> >>This is not 'damping the signal'. Your headphone amp outputs >>a transient when turned on. Could be poor design, could be a >>fault. In any case, it should be corrected at the source, not >>by adding a circuit. >> >>> b) A good line filter ... >> >>Depends on what you want the line filter to do. If all you >>want is to quench line transients, buy a large MOV, 130VAC >>to 150VAC rating. The 'Joule' rating should be as high as >>possible -- say, at least 50 Joules (you can connect a few >>identical MOVs in parallel. The 'Joule' rating will be >>multiplied by the number of MOVs). >> >>Build an extension box and connect the MOVs in parallel right >>across the output outlets. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >>>Items 2 a/b i would prefer to construct myself. >>> >>>Any help much appreciated. >>> >>>Many thanks >>>Soumi >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ Live the life in style with MSN Lifestyle. Check out! http://content.msn.co.in/Lifestyle/Default From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 22:52:01 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:52:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Strange current source and other electronics In-Reply-To: <200609212019.k8LKJd1D010853@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Tim and Ron Thanks for the info. ill be sure to check out on the MOVs. But you have (i think) missed the critical part ... The NAK is NOT connected to the mains ,... the plug is in my hand (not in the socket) and using a DMM i measured approx 21.3V between the NAK body and the earthing. And the NAK is insulated from the CPU or anything else beside it. I should let you know that i have a couple of fluorescent light ballasts (6 of them & on) within 2 feet of the NAK ... if that makes any sense tho ... dont know. How on earth does an object, virtually shielded from any conduction manage to get a potential difference of more that 20 V unconnected ?? Thanks for any info on this Best Regards Soumi >From: Tim Barrett >Reply-To: timbarrett at cox.net,Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Strange current source and other electronics - >aboutMOV's >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:42:09 -0400 > >You have to be careful about MOV's rated at too low a voltage. A 130VAC >MOV may sound like the best protection for US appliances which run on >120VAC, but an MOV which is subjected to short spikes above it's rated >voltage can sustain damage and eventually become leaky and fail. Sometimes >there are surges on the AC line which can exceed 130VAC, specially in very >rural areas or when heavy equipment goes on or off line. And when MOV's >get leaky, they can get hot enough to catch nearby things on fire. There >are documented cases of this happening. > >See - http://www.rbs2.com/fire.htm >and - >http://cerc.eng.usf.edu/std_individual/Stelios.pdf#search=%22metal%20oxide%20varistor%20fire%22 >for nicely written papers on the topic. > >Google - metal oxide varistor fire - for some more interesting reading. > >The recommendation is to use an MOV rated at about twice the line voltage. >This will still afford plenty of protection against spikes and will be much >safer. > >Tim > > > >Ron wrote: >>noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >>>Hi All >>> >>>I have a couple of questions ... slightly off topic..... but quite a lot >>>of gurus here who can help im sure :) >>> >>>1) Im beat trying to figure out the cause of this :: >>>My Nak is parked on my PCs CPU ... there is no metal contact between the >>>PC and the Nak's body. In fact i have a 4mm thick polycarbonate layer in >>>between now. >>>It is disconnected from the mains totally, yet everytime i touch any >>>metal part barefoot, i get a slight shock. >>>What on earth is this ?? What is the cause ?? >> >>probably, the deck power transformer or EMI filter has a leakage >>to the chassis. Due to the proximity of the PC (whose chassis is >>(or should be) grounded, you get a slight shock by touching both >>at the same time. >> >>Try touching the Nak ONLY. If you do not feel the shock, this supposition >>is correct. Also, measure Nak chassis to outlet >>ground with a high impedance AC meter. If you read anything >>over about 5VAC, have the Nak repaired. (If the power >>transformer is leaky, repair will be too expensive. In that >>case, simply ground the deck chassis. If this doesn't cause >>hum, you're all set). >> >>>2) Can anybody guide me to any decent electronic schematics for >>> a) Damping the signal from my preamp to the headphones ... so that when >>>its turned on my headphones dont thump >> >>This is not 'damping the signal'. Your headphone amp outputs >>a transient when turned on. Could be poor design, could be a >>fault. In any case, it should be corrected at the source, not >>by adding a circuit. >> >>> b) A good line filter ... >> >>Depends on what you want the line filter to do. If all you >>want is to quench line transients, buy a large MOV, 130VAC >>to 150VAC rating. The 'Joule' rating should be as high as >>possible -- say, at least 50 Joules (you can connect a few >>identical MOVs in parallel. The 'Joule' rating will be >>multiplied by the number of MOVs). >> >>Build an extension box and connect the MOVs in parallel right >>across the output outlets. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >>>Items 2 a/b i would prefer to construct myself. >>> >>>Any help much appreciated. >>> >>>Many thanks >>>Soumi _________________________________________________________________ Sexy, sultry, sensuous. - see why Bipasha Basu is all that and more. Try MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/Profile/bipashabasu.asp From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Sep 21 22:54:34 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060921205434.77824.qmail@web36212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Static? EMI? noneyhoney at hotmail.com a écrit : Hi Tim and Ron Thanks for the info. ill be sure to check out on the MOVs. But you have (i think) missed the critical part ... The NAK is NOT connected to the mains ,... the plug is in my hand (not in the socket) and using a DMM i measured approx 21.3V between the NAK body and the earthing. And the NAK is insulated from the CPU or anything else beside it. I should let you know that i have a couple of fluorescent light ballasts (6 of them & on) within 2 feet of the NAK ... if that makes any sense tho ... dont know. How on earth does an object, virtually shielded from any conduction manage to get a potential difference of more that 20 V unconnected ?? Thanks for any info on this Best Regards Soumi Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Sep 21 22:56:40 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:56:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CONTACT INFO FOR STEHPEN SANK & B&W FOR NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL REPAIR In-Reply-To: <53d.21d7314.3243fe65@aol.com> References: <53d.21d7314.3243fe65@aol.com> Message-ID: <4512FC88.1090908@peromarta.org> BOEING747600 at aol.com escribió: I have fixed > by Dragon and RX 505 and even my CR 7A and can fix this one too! if > guided by right person~ Many Thanks! > > With Best Regards! as Always! > > Ali I fix quite a lot of them. Not the 1000ZXL. :( rgds, LP. From luis at peromarta.org Thu Sep 21 23:05:15 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:05:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 zxl, having problems PLEASE HELP!!! Thanks! In-Reply-To: <319.abf57ba.324350f3@aol.com> References: <319.abf57ba.324350f3@aol.com> Message-ID: <4512FE8B.9060804@peromarta.org> Orange caps in PB amp causes static, hum and noise. Orange caps in meter also causes problems. Actually all orange caps causes problems. I changed 50 or so before the deck came back to life. Good luck. LP. BOEING747600 at aol.com escribió: > Hi Everyone! Finally got to check the 1000 zxl after taking it apart to > install new capstan belt, the orignal one was thin the new one is > thick! Here what is and is not working : Cosmetically the machine is > near mint condition, the face plate like new! The tape transport button > are working , fast forward , rewind works great! The play speed is > slow! ( installed new capstan belt which is same size like to original > but has more thickness) sound can be heard faintly from both channels > but badly distorted and there is lots of static noise ! the auto > cal(ABLE) is not functioning. > > The pre-amp is working great but the recorded sound is just static! The > vu meters works interminently but they do work. The test tone dont work > it was working interminently when swtiched but now it quit for good. Any > kind help to fix this great tape deck will be much appreciated! > > Best Regards! > > Ali > From yregelman at gmail.com Fri Sep 22 02:52:39 2006 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:52:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] classic transport capstan belt. Message-ID: <3beaa6a90609211752q49b4521dv2ee2acdd30b37936@mail.gmail.com> I have a 680zx on my hands with a worn out belt: jumps off the motor pulley and has a permanent bump in one spot from sitting stationary for ages... Well, I searched high and low for replacement, as many of you know a futile effort. FRM9.2 is garbage.. FRW9.6 looked promising: precision molded and with dimensions almost identical to the original... but wow & flutter are still there and very audible.. ESL stopped selling the original replacement, until they replenish their supply.. Anyway, I felt I had nothing to lose and I tried restoring the original belt. What I tried so far looks pretty promising. I'm glad I went through my garbage and took that belt out just before I was about to throw it out. I figured I'd send an early warning to you guys, Hold On to the original belts!! I don't want to raise false hopes, and I'd like to experiment some more and make sure the method really worked before I post it. I'd only recommend it as a last resort, but I see that this problem does not have a good solution now and this might be better than settling for a bad replacement. 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Yap) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:21:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 zxl, having problems PLEASE HELP!!! Thanks! Message-ID: Having been burned by this many times, the last time requiring Tom's prompting to remind of it, fix all the light bulbs. They don't all have to working but it's not all that clear which ones do and which don't in order to make all the features work properly. Or shunt them with (I think) 1K resistors as he mentioned, but it's a pain to get to them so you probably just want to fix them after you've gone through all the trouble to get to all 50 or so of them.-kby From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Sep 22 10:09:50 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:09:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Message-ID: Howzit Bob, The DR tapes from Fuji, from a market position point of view are priced slightly beneath the K series. The DRs then carried onto - to the present day, but unlike the Ks are easier to find worldwide. The Zs were a notch above, replacing, and simplifying/condensing the FRs as well as the complex and expensive JPs. The new DRs and Zs had some of the raciest and most eye catching packaging in the market when they were introduced. Metal-Z is now discontinued. The DR tapes are very solid and in general rewarding. The DRI is better to my mind than the ubiquitous and dependable TDK D, while being more durable. The DRII is a balanced, neutral pseudochrome with sensitivity fairly flat through the band. Units manufactured in mainland China will in all likeliness be of a good standard - with pancakes from either Japan or Korea. Fuji are more usually sold in the far and middle east as "Axia". Cassette use is very commonplace in China. For information on the current range from Fuji Magnetics, go to: http://www.fuji-magnetics.com/en Marc >>> Bob Petrovich 9/21/2006 7:59:28 PM >>> I found some Fuji tapes at a local store for a bargain price and scooped all of ZII they had. They also had Fuji DR-II made in China, but I was reluctant to buy because they were selling by the box only. Somewhere in the corner of my mind I had impression that DR-II is not as good as ZII and worse than Maxell XL-II. Does anyone have experience with these tapes? Are they of the same quality as ones made in Japan? TIA Bob ................................................. "Everywhere in the world where knowledge is being supressed, knowledge that, if it were made known, would shatter our image of the world and force us to question ourselves--everywhere there, Heart of Darkness is being enacted." - Sven Lindqvist ................................................. 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From jeruff at yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 22:44:25 2006 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700II Repair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060921204425.50830.qmail@web82015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just waiting for him to get back to me. Thanks though, Jesse --- N4229K at aol.com wrote: > Try this guy he has all the tools > Dean > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 22 00:25:38 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Meter calibration In-Reply-To: <4512F3B2.4020404@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060921222538.68494.qmail@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, OK got it! Need to study more! I just got off the phone with a friend that's a radio tech and he was going over that stuff with me. Thank you very much! Bob Ron wrote: Bob, -3db is half the power, -6db is half the voltage. The equation is: db = 20*log (V2/V1) (V1 and V2 are voltages) or, expressed differently: db = 10*log (P2/P1) (P1 and P2 are voltages). These are the same equation, just expressed differently. (Remember that power is proportional to the voltage squared and log of a squared value is twice the log of the value). Because you are dealing with voltages in the BX-300 calibration procedure, the first form, above, applies. Hope this clarifies matters. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Tom, I thought 3 db was half? The meter I have is a "Mac tools" which I > believe is made by Fluke. It does read AC. I understood 1 volt minus > 3db would be 1/2 volt???? Do I have that wrong? > Thanks, Bob > > */Hi Tech /* wrote: > > Bob, > You need an AC voltmeter to deal with dB.-6dB is 1/2 when working with > voltage. -4dB from 1v AC is about 0.64 volts if that helps. > > tom brucker > > At 06:32 AM 9/21/06 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> > Everyone, > I have a meter calibration question. Comes from the BX300 service > manual. > Inject a 400hz tone, measure 1 volt on the output, then there's a "-4db" > Adjust meter cal pots to read "0" db on the deck's meters. > With today's digital voltmeters how do I figure -4db? Since 3db is half, > that would make it 1/2 volt, and -4 db would be something less than 1/2 > volt. 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 22 00:29:56 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Meter calibration In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060921154004.008453d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060921222956.92229.qmail@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Tom. I missed the voltage thing. I"ll read up on it tonight. I appreciate the help! Bob Hi Tech wrote: -3dB is 1/2 for power, which voltage times current . -6dB is 1/2 for voltage or current only. These relationships are what education is all about. It explains why people get mystified by speaker crossovers! Most hand held digital meters roll off AC above 1kHz, and are "average" reading. An AC voltmeter, or true AC digital meter will have response past 20kHz and true RMS AC readings. In other works, your meter will dial in 400Hz, but do not use it to set bias. tom brucker At 12:27 PM 9/21/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom, I thought 3 db was half? The meter I have is a "Mac tools" which I believe is made by Fluke. It does read AC. I understood 1 volt minus 3db would be 1/2 volt???? Do I have that wrong? Thanks, Bob Hi Tech wrote: Bob, You need an AC voltmeter to deal with dB.-6dB is 1/2 when working with voltage. -4dB from 1v AC is about 0.64 volts if that helps. tom brucker At 06:32 AM 9/21/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Everyone, I have a meter calibration question. Comes from the BX300 service manual. Inject a 400hz tone, measure 1 volt on the output, then there's a "-4db" Adjust meter cal pots to read "0" db on the deck's meters. With today's digital voltmeters how do I figure -4db? Since 3db is half, that would make it 1/2 volt, and -4 db would be something less than 1/2 volt. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance, Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Fri Sep 22 04:19:05 2006 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:19:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 30 References: <200609211905.k8LJ5fi0009572@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002001c6dded$7a882c10$0301a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hi Soumi, This will be no help for your shocking problem, but it could help with your thump. Try taking a look at Ti Kan's E12 muting circuit here: http://www.amb.org/audio/epsilon12/ It was designed as "a turn-on delay muting and DC offset protection circuit designed specifically for use with headphone amplifiers". Robert Kent Soumi Wrote: Hi All > > I have a couple of questions ... slightly off topic..... but quite a lot > of > gurus here who can help im sure :) > > 1) Im beat trying to figure out the cause of this :: > My Nak is parked on my PCs CPU ... there is no metal contact between the > PC > and the Nak's body. In fact i have a 4mm thick polycarbonate layer in > between now. > It is disconnected from the mains totally, yet everytime i touch any metal > part barefoot, i get a slight shock. > What on earth is this ?? What is the cause ?? > > 2) Can anybody guide me to any decent electronic schematics for > a) Damping the signal from my preamp to the headphones ... so that when > its turned on my headphones dont thump > b) A good line filter ... > Items 2 a/b i would prefer to construct myself. > > Any help much appreciated. > > Many thanks > Soumi > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 22 14:54:03 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:54:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4513DCEB.6000206@rcn.com> noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi Tim and Ron > Thanks for the info. ill be sure to check out on the MOVs. > > But you have (i think) missed the critical part ... > > The NAK is NOT connected to the mains ,... the plug is in my hand (not > in the socket) and using a DMM i measured approx 21.3V between the NAK > body and the earthing. > And the NAK is insulated from the CPU or anything else beside it. > I should let you know that i have a couple of fluorescent light ballasts > (6 of them & on) within 2 feet of the NAK ... if that makes any sense > tho ... dont know. Don't think this is relevant, but who knows... > How on earth does an object, virtually shielded from any conduction > manage to get a potential difference of more that 20 V unconnected ?? Sounds like static electricity. Is the whole thing sitting on a synthetic carpet, in a very very dry room? -- Ron > > Thanks for any info on this > > Best Regards > Soumi > > >> From: Tim Barrett >> Reply-To: timbarrett at cox.net,Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Strange current source and other electronics - >> aboutMOV's >> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:42:09 -0400 >> >> You have to be careful about MOV's rated at too low a voltage. A >> 130VAC MOV may sound like the best protection for US appliances which >> run on 120VAC, but an MOV which is subjected to short spikes above >> it's rated voltage can sustain damage and eventually become leaky and >> fail. Sometimes there are surges on the AC line which can exceed >> 130VAC, specially in very rural areas or when heavy equipment goes on >> or off line. And when MOV's get leaky, they can get hot enough to >> catch nearby things on fire. There are documented cases of this >> happening. >> >> See - http://www.rbs2.com/fire.htm >> and - >> http://cerc.eng.usf.edu/std_individual/Stelios.pdf#search=%22metal%20oxide%20varistor%20fire%22 >> >> for nicely written papers on the topic. >> >> Google - metal oxide varistor fire - for some more interesting reading. >> >> The recommendation is to use an MOV rated at about twice the line >> voltage. This will still afford plenty of protection against spikes >> and will be much safer. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> Ron wrote: >>> noneyhoney at hotmail.com wrote: >>>> Hi All >>>> >>>> I have a couple of questions ... slightly off topic..... but quite a >>>> lot of gurus here who can help im sure :) >>>> >>>> 1) Im beat trying to figure out the cause of this :: >>>> My Nak is parked on my PCs CPU ... there is no metal contact between >>>> the PC and the Nak's body. In fact i have a 4mm thick polycarbonate >>>> layer in between now. >>>> It is disconnected from the mains totally, yet everytime i touch any >>>> metal part barefoot, i get a slight shock. >>>> What on earth is this ?? What is the cause ?? >>> >>> probably, the deck power transformer or EMI filter has a leakage >>> to the chassis. Due to the proximity of the PC (whose chassis is >>> (or should be) grounded, you get a slight shock by touching both >>> at the same time. >>> >>> Try touching the Nak ONLY. If you do not feel the shock, this >>> supposition is correct. Also, measure Nak chassis to outlet >>> ground with a high impedance AC meter. If you read anything >>> over about 5VAC, have the Nak repaired. (If the power >>> transformer is leaky, repair will be too expensive. In that >>> case, simply ground the deck chassis. If this doesn't cause >>> hum, you're all set). >>> >>>> 2) Can anybody guide me to any decent electronic schematics for >>>> a) Damping the signal from my preamp to the headphones ... so that >>>> when its turned on my headphones dont thump >>> >>> This is not 'damping the signal'. Your headphone amp outputs >>> a transient when turned on. Could be poor design, could be a >>> fault. In any case, it should be corrected at the source, not >>> by adding a circuit. >>> >>>> b) A good line filter ... >>> >>> Depends on what you want the line filter to do. If all you >>> want is to quench line transients, buy a large MOV, 130VAC >>> to 150VAC rating. The 'Joule' rating should be as high as >>> possible -- say, at least 50 Joules (you can connect a few >>> identical MOVs in parallel. The 'Joule' rating will be >>> multiplied by the number of MOVs). >>> >>> Build an extension box and connect the MOVs in parallel right >>> across the output outlets. >>> >>> -- Ron > From puretone at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 22 15:32:51 2006 From: puretone at bellsouth.net (puretone) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:32:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dragon stuck in power on play/record mode Message-ID: <001801c6de4b$9a4d79c0$0e02a8c0@UP> hello list; i have a dragon that is stuck in the power on play / record mode. all other functions work well. no matter what i do, the deck stays in this mode. has anyone ever had a problem like this? or can suggest a remedy?. i have tech skills and tools. i also need a service manual. thanks for any help bobby From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 22 16:31:07 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:31:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Meter calibration In-Reply-To: <200609221002.k8MA0cnH018153@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060922143107.55055.qmail@web27201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I've read the posts about calibration and in the belief that I'd want/need to learn more at some point, I went searching. I found this link pretty interesting. http://www.testeq.com/charts/decibels.lasso I never believed, when I bought the first of my two BX-300E's that my fascination with its performance would take me "back to school" to try and understand electronics, soldering and now mathematics. "Improve your life - buy a Nak today!" Chris From badanth at verizon.net Fri Sep 22 17:33:14 2006 From: badanth at verizon.net (badanth at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:33:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Message-ID: <17592055.5197201158939194816.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> I've used these with good results. Not quite as good to my ear as the Maxell II's but quite acceptable. From classicvinyl at gmail.com Fri Sep 22 18:20:11 2006 From: classicvinyl at gmail.com (classic vinyl) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:20:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 in great condition for sale Message-ID: Hi all, Just to let you know im selling a very good condition LX5. Im in Ireland but will ship worldwide. Details are all in the attached : http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230031806498&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=013 Im no expert about tapedecks but get in touch if youve any questions and ill do my best to answer. Thanks Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 22 18:47:14 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Meter calibration In-Reply-To: <20060922143107.55055.qmail@web27201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060922164714.35051.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice chart Chris! Chris Mann wrote: I've read the posts about calibration and in the belief that I'd want/need to learn more at some point, I went searching. I found this link pretty interesting. http://www.testeq.com/charts/decibels.lasso I never believed, when I bought the first of my two BX-300E's that my fascination with its performance would take me "back to school" to try and understand electronics, soldering and now mathematics. "Improve your life - buy a Nak today!" Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 22 23:55:59 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:55:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Meter calibration In-Reply-To: <20060922143107.55055.qmail@web27201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <200609221002.k8MA0cnH018153@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060922165559.007a2600@earthlink.net> Why is a decibel important? It represents experimentally the smallest discernable difference is sound level detected by average listeners. Why are the scales logarithmic? Our ears respond logarithmically to air pressure (sound waves are compressed and rarefacted air). Why is math used? Circuits are usually designed on paper, then prototyped. Once a 480 came in for service and when the cover was remover I noticed the pc board was a funny color, all ICs were in sockets, and it had 3 times as many wires routed inside. I called Nak. It was a prototype, they said. tom brucker tom At 03:31 PM 9/22/06 +0100, you wrote: >I've read the posts about calibration and in the >belief that I'd want/need to learn more at some point, >I went searching. I found this link pretty >interesting. > >http://www.testeq.com/charts/decibels.lasso > >I never believed, when I bought the first of my two >BX-300E's that my fascination with its performance >would take me "back to school" to try and understand >electronics, soldering and now mathematics. > >"Improve your life - buy a Nak today!" > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 22 23:56:00 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:56:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dragon stuck in power on play/record mode In-Reply-To: <001801c6de4b$9a4d79c0$0e02a8c0@UP> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060922165600.00836100@earthlink.net> As I posted already, is it in timer record? It would help if you let us know that the simple solutions have been checked. tom brucker At 09:32 AM 9/22/06 -0400, you wrote: >hello list; > > i have a dragon that is stuck in the power on play / record mode. all >other functions work well. > >no matter what i do, the deck stays in this mode. has anyone ever had a >problem like this? or can suggest a remedy?. > > i have tech skills and tools. i also need a service manual. > > thanks for any help > >bobby > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From nakamichi at ispwest.com Fri Sep 22 20:20:44 2006 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:20:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Message-ID: <09b0ca7e5de54e40b339b8e3a839f948.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Congratulations!It is better than Dragon,of course.Dragon is ok deck but nothing extraordinary... ------- Original Message ------- >From : BOEING747600 at aol.com[mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com] Sent : 9/18/2006 3:15:18 PM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Hi everyone! I have purchased a Nakamichi 1000zxl WOW!!! it really is impressive!! and so heavy! you can imagine this big a machine is actually a cassette deck?! why it looks as big a microwave oven(LOL:) I love it! I havent tried it out yet! will it beat the performance of my beloved Nakamichi Dragon. I read by some member that correct working Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the best tape deck in the world. I am so excited! give me some advice please what should I be doing to get the maximum out of it. I dont have the owner's manual or service manual yet, can some kind soul email me one?!! I will be much appreciated!! Looking forward to some favorable comment about this beast! Many Thanks! Ali From nakamichi at ispwest.com Fri Sep 22 20:33:11 2006 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:33:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Message-ID: Tri-tracers are great...Who needs that Dolby C anyway? I do think that 1/2 speed is a useless feature on 680 model...The sound is just ok.Do you really use it a lot?Double speed(like Elcaset)is another story.My Teac AL-700 Esoteric series Elcaset deck sounds absolutely incredible! ------- Original Message ------- >From : Hi Tech[mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent : 9/19/2006 6:30:33 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? I am amazed at the number of 700 and 1000 tri tracers for sale. These decks only lack metal tape RECORD functions, and Dolby C. Since many people eschew C and metal tape is no longer manufactured, these machines are actually worth considering. I still think the 1/2 speed 680 is the ultimate Nakamichi. Are there any NakTalkers that have a collection of 1/2 speed metal tapes? I would love to know how the collection has held up over the years, and if there are any sonic issues. tom brucker At 01:07 AM 9/19/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hey, I just picked up a 1000 Tri Tracer, and am anxiously awaiting delivery! You can pickup a manual for your 1000 ZXL here: < http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_ W0QQitemZ5872559070QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem> http://cgi.ebay.ca /Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ5872559070 QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamichi at ispwest.com Fri Sep 22 20:41:13 2006 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:41:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL Message-ID: Ali, So,which one do you like better?Revox B-710 or ZXL?I have them both,too.Plus another 40 decks in my living room...I am just interested in your opinion.I think Nakamichi did cut corners a little bit... Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : BOEING747600 at aol.com[mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com] Sent : 9/20/2006 3:51:38 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: [naktalk] CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL HI Everyone! Does anyone knows a source for capstan belt and idler tire that will fit Nakamichi 1000 ZXL. Any kind help in this regard will be much appreciated! I have decided to replace these as they seem in need of replacement due to wear that happen over the years and is normal and is to be expected! Wish Nakamichi has decided on direct drive motors instead of all these belts even in their top of the line 1000zxl . My other tape deck Revox B 710 has 4 direct drive motors. There must have been a reason for Nakamichi not choosing direct drive motors even on this $3800 when new 1000zxl I wouldnt imagine Nakamichi cutting corners to save dollars by going the other way I mean saving cost by not installing 4 direct drive motors, maybe the ABLE circuit would not have worked with a direct drive motor. And speaking of circuits this beast should be awarded the award for the complexity of it circuits it looks I am working on desk top computer than on a tape deck! Its a jungle out there! i.e. inside a 1000 zxl! if you know what I mean!:) With Best Regards! Ali From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Sep 23 01:54:09 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:54:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 zxl HELP WTH A.B.L.E CIRCUIT NOT ENGAGING Message-ID: <52f.7030184.3245d1a1@aol.com> Hi Alex, Thanks for your encourgement. Yes finally the tape deck will be fixed and let me tell you!! THIS IS THE BEST! CASSETTE DECK IN THE WORLD!! THE VU METERS ARE THE BEST! I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE! I think after seeing this baby and seeing the performance of the 1000zxl vu meters and the sound of its quality pre-amp , the Revox B 710 with 4 motors looks like a piece of crap! The items that are working right on the tape deck after cleaning each and every switch and connector are: Pre-amp section, vu meters, the tape deck is playin a cassette now and recording but there is lots of static like a loose connection as you wiggle the connectors of the 4 plug in circuit boards on the right side of the machine the sound improves . I think there is something very minor wrong with this machine I think the leftover residue from the electronic spray cleaner is still wet in the switches and board as the time passes I find the sond becomes clearer with more static free but as of this writing it still there! . All the transport buttons fast forward, rewind, play, pause , record are working like new! The old capstan belt is working great too! I cleaned it and turned it inside out. Wish someone can help me to get the A.B.L.E( azimuth, bias, level and equalization) calibration circuit to work. to work again as pressing the RUN button to engage the auto cal results in momentarily lighting of the button and then stop and this only for a sec and nothing else happens also the tone generator works for a fraction the moment the switch is turned as I said there still remains wetness in the switches and connectors from the residue of the electronic cleaner that is contributing toward static noise and not allowing the switches to complete the circuits .THIS MACHINE HAS BEEN VERY SPARINGLY USED AND APPEARS TO HAVE NEVER! BEEN ABUSED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER AND NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN WORK ON IT BEFORE ITS IN 100 PERCENT ORIGINAL CONDITION! BELEIVE ME!!! THE SOUND FROM THE PRE-AMP SECTION AND THE VU METERS OF THE NAMKAMICHI 1000ZXL IS PROBABLY THE FINEST IN THE WORLD OF ANY CASSETTE DECK I HAVE HEARD! PERIOD. IF YOU HEAR ONE OF THESE YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!! IN COMPARISION THE CR 7A AND DRAGON LOOK LIKE TOYS!!. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg56322 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 23 01:58:47 2006 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Message-ID: <20060922235847.44199.qmail@web51309.mail.yahoo.com> Following Marc Hugo's advice I took a plunge and scooped all FUJI DR-IIs I found on sale in a local music store. The results with RX-505 are excellent, especially with Dolby B. I usually record without Dolby, but the tape hiss can be heard on silent passages). I haven't had time to try other Naks. ZII is better, but DR-II is quite acceptable, no worse than newer SA-X. If you find it at a bargain price, stock up ! I hope this advice will be usefull for other Nakkers. Once again, thanks Marc. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Sep 23 04:51:57 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:51:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Strange current source and other electronics In-Reply-To: References: <200609211000.k8LA052N005040@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:03:07 +0000, wrote: >Hi All > >I have a couple of questions ... slightly off topic..... but quite a lot of >gurus here who can help im sure :) > >1) Im beat trying to figure out the cause of this :: >My Nak is parked on my PCs CPU ... there is no metal contact between the PC >and the Nak's body. In fact i have a 4mm thick polycarbonate layer in >between now. >It is disconnected from the mains totally, yet everytime i touch any metal >part barefoot, i get a slight shock. >What on earth is this ?? What is the cause ?? > >2) Can anybody guide me to any decent electronic schematics for > a) Damping the signal from my preamp to the headphones ... so that when >its turned on my headphones dont thump What you need is a relay for the signal to the headphones. When power is turned on the relay should take 3-4 seconds to make contact between the headphones and the amp section. A cheap work around is not to insert the headphones jack until after the amp is powered up. But if you have this problem with an amp I suggest you incorporate a switch on the outside using an extra set of speakers terminals for your speakers, and which hooks into the sockets already present this is the least intrusive solution and also keeps its secod hand value level 8may even enhance it if you made a nice job). If you make the switch manual you will forget to deactivate the speakers when you turn off the amp or forget to do it just prior to switching the amp on. Powering it from the amp itself should not be more than a cosmetic problem. But building the circuit into the amp so it works with your current sockets and protects the speakers and headphones from inside will be tough. In my opinion you are best off making the external switch box accomodate a 1/4'' headphone sockets and use resistors to take the voltage down to suit your headphones. Basically I believe you can build what you need using a simple 555 diagram showing how to select a proper time, and add enough components to pull a relay. I am not sure you can get this as a kit but you might get a timer kit to ad the relay components to. And I think expanding a kit will be most cheap and helpful, as most parts are already there and you get a instruction on how to put it together along with all the parts and a PCB for the main timer funtion. The relay is usually a big block about 0.5'' x 1.25'' and about 1'' tall which is pcb mounted. So for something like that you are looking at a rather bulky solution to place in front of the preamp between the headphones and the headphones sockets on the front. Add to that the looks of it when you draw power from the amp itself. Or further bulkiness if you choose a battery option. I do not think relays lend themselves too well to battery operation, probably it will run the battery down quick. I suppose if your problem is your amp was not designed with a delayed speakers relay then your best option is to get one that does have it. If all you really do is monitor on headphones you do not need a 20-30-40-50-60-70-80 or bigger watt amp, all you need is a working one. Heck, if it is integrated you don't even need a working phono input unless you need it for transferring to the pc for cleanup and making cds. Mainly you are looking at a cheap headphone amp with acceptable cosmetics. you favor solutions you can build yourself. So .. Why not built a headphone amp yourself. Now all you need to find is a suitable 1-3 Watt stereo amp kit with usable frequency range and a low S/N ratio. Also a box which you can add a selector for inputs and output (going from your cassette into that and on to the pc input if you like to sample your tape. And ditto going back again. The box should be a comfortable size to accomodate at least these things - power transformer and power pcb (expensive). Or a socket for external power using a small DC socket and add a wallwart. (cheap). Cheaper or expensive unless you have a transformer and power pcb or an old wallwart perhaps PC laptop grade, that should have enough power!!!. - grommet for mains wire if you build in the power transformer. required by law and common sense. Pick one which stops pulling the wire out of the chassis. - amp kit pcb. - volume controls. (Possibly in the amp kit). - timer kit pcb. - a relay circuit for the headphone socket. - ON/OFF switch. Put it front or back - you decide. - an LED power indicator on front. It is an extra hole a few wires and one component to see if the device is on - worth it if you placed the on/off switch on the back!!! - any RCA connectors on the back. See what you can get in blocks of 2x2, this will make it easy to drill holes on the back for RCA and for mounting screws. - if you plan toadd tone control when economics allow the box should be bigger - rubber feet. Don't skimp pick a durable set of four. Glue or screw - you decide. Some features to put as RCA on the back would include a line through, a selectable through 2x2 RCA. And separate inputs or space for it, perhaps you'd like the option of fitting an RIAA amp inside and have the selector capable of selecting it, get a selector with more positions than you need now to make room for expansion later on. In the same fashion you can add a microphone amp (stereo if your mike is stereo, and even a pot on the front for panning mono in stereo or for separate mixing of microhone signal). Most stereo amp kits should run off 12-18V DC so matchign up a PSU from an old laptop should be easy and you can try to get a matching csocket for the headphone amp or use a much cheaper matchign pair alternative. If the amp ends up rather flimsy or you do not have anything to keep it in place when you select sources or turn volume knob, just add a book or two on top or makes some holes in to bottom in the corners and place som long bolts then you can secure some metal in there to weigh it down. of course placing the transformer in side will do the trick, but that is more expensive than making -Mikkel From pawel at bartuzi.org Sat Sep 23 09:10:32 2006 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:10:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Meter calibration In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060922165559.007a2600@earthlink.net> References: <200609221002.k8MA0cnH018153@zxe.naks.com> <3.0.3.32.20060922165559.007a2600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4514DDE8.1040305@bartuzi.org> Interesting, what happened to the prototype then? Did you repair it? -- Pawel Hi Tech wrote: > Why is a decibel important? It represents experimentally the smallest > discernable difference is sound level detected by average listeners. > Why are the scales logarithmic? Our ears respond logarithmically to air > pressure (sound waves are compressed and rarefacted air). > Why is math used? Circuits are usually designed on paper, then prototyped. > Once a 480 came in for service and when the cover was remover I noticed > the pc board was a funny color, all ICs were in sockets, and it had 3 times > as many wires routed inside. I called Nak. It was a prototype, they said. > > tom brucker > ____________________________________________________________________________ Czas wybrac dobra nazwe! www.nazwa.pl From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Sep 23 12:06:09 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 03:06:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 zxl HELP WTH A.B.L.E CIRCUIT NOT ENGAGING Message-ID: You won't get the ABLE to work until the tone oscillator works. If the problem with the tone oscillator is just the switch, the that is OK, but the oscillator itself must work, as must the other 3 needed. If it cannot record the test tone decently, it won't work either. It has to be able to record the 400Hz tone enough and read it with no "adjustments" to get the phase differential to adjust the azimuth. Does it play a test tone tape made on another machine at the proper level? That is a minimal test; you'll not even get to first base if that's not the case. To deal with the ABLE properly you will need to make the special test box that's used to put the deck in various modes so that the individual oscillators can be properly adjusted. Sufficient (although not extravagant) instructions are in the service manual for making the test box (although I think nak supplied it to its techs, presumably for some cost). If you're lucky and only the 400Hz oscillator (or less) is broken, you won't need the test box for that, at least to some degree. You can get some idea of what is going on during ABLE by hooking a T-100 or something up to the output to the external noise reduction decoder. Does it even do the auto-azimuth adjust? That's the first part of the ABLE sequence (the "A"), and there's a button to just try and do it independently. If that won't work, you won't get to the rest. It doesn't take much--should be less than 10 on the tape counter depending on where in the tape you start.-kby From lenaw at flash.net Sat Sep 23 12:56:12 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 05:56:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c6defe$e2df6af0$3ec5db40@CPQ16585250299> What does Nakamichi cut corners a little bit..... ( I assume you talk about the ZXL model ) on ? I have the STUDER A-710. I think the DRAGON has more analytical than the A-710 ( the A-710 should be identical to the B-710II ). I have not owned a ZXL (700 or 1000 ) so I do not know how is sounds. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 1:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL Ali, So,which one do you like better?Revox B-710 or ZXL?I have them both,too.Plus another 40 decks in my living room...I am just interested in your opinion.I think Nakamichi did cut corners a little bit... Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : BOEING747600 at aol.com[mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com] Sent : 9/20/2006 3:51:38 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: [naktalk] CAPSTAN BELT & IDLER TIRE FOR NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL HI Everyone! Does anyone knows a source for capstan belt and idler tire that will fit Nakamichi 1000 ZXL. Any kind help in this regard will be much appreciated! I have decided to replace these as they seem in need of replacement due to wear that happen over the years and is normal and is to be expected! Wish Nakamichi has decided on direct drive motors instead of all these belts even in their top of the line 1000zxl . My other tape deck Revox B 710 has 4 direct drive motors. There must have been a reason for Nakamichi not choosing direct drive motors even on this $3800 when new 1000zxl I wouldnt imagine Nakamichi cutting corners to save dollars by going the other way I mean saving cost by not installing 4 direct drive motors, maybe the ABLE circuit would not have worked with a direct drive motor. And speaking of circuits this beast should be awarded the award for the complexity of it circuits it looks I am working on desk top computer than on a tape deck! Its a jungle out there! i.e. inside a 1000 zxl! if you know what I mean!:) With Best Regards! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Sat Sep 23 13:02:30 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (lenaw) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 06:02:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c6deff$c49c4440$3ec5db40@CPQ16585250299> Running Cassette tape at higher speed supposed to generate better frequency response than standard and slower speed ( correct me in this is wrong again ) based on what has been printed on the data sheet. TEAC's C-2X and C-3X also has higher speed opinions and I was told that they sound much better when record/playback under higher speed. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 1:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Tri-tracers are great...Who needs that Dolby C anyway? I do think that 1/2 speed is a useless feature on 680 model...The sound is just ok.Do you really use it a lot?Double speed(like Elcaset)is another story.My Teac AL-700 Esoteric series Elcaset deck sounds absolutely incredible! ------- Original Message ------- >From : Hi Tech[mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent : 9/19/2006 6:30:33 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? I am amazed at the number of 700 and 1000 tri tracers for sale. These decks only lack metal tape RECORD functions, and Dolby C. Since many people eschew C and metal tape is no longer manufactured, these machines are actually worth considering. I still think the 1/2 speed 680 is the ultimate Nakamichi. Are there any NakTalkers that have a collection of 1/2 speed metal tapes? I would love to know how the collection has held up over the years, and if there are any sonic issues. tom brucker At 01:07 AM 9/19/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hey, I just picked up a 1000 Tri Tracer, and am anxiously awaiting delivery! You can pickup a manual for your 1000 ZXL here: < http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_ W0QQitemZ5872559070QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem> http://cgi.ebay.ca /Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ5872559070 QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Sep 23 13:21:21 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:21:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 zxl HELP WTH A.B.L.E CIRCUIT NOT ENGAGING Message-ID: My dear Ali, Yes I 100% agreed...when the 1000ZXL works as intended...!?; AS YOU WROTE IS THE BEST CASSETTE MACHINE IN THE WORLD. I hear both of them the 1000ZXL & a new Dragon (During middle 80 ties!), then my today owned Dragon sound "ANALITICALLY'..., comparing with the 1000ZXL. But...again NO more SPARE PARTS...for the 1000ZXL...ne aware of this!. I really hope that with the kindly help of Bala, you will restore your acquired 1000ZXL again & enjoyed!!! Peace;ALEX! From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:54:09 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000 zxl HELP WTH A.B.L.E CIRCUIT NOT ENGAGINGTo: naktalk at naks.com Hi Alex, Thanks for your encourgement. Yes finally the tape deck will be fixed and let me tell you!! THIS IS THE BEST! CASSETTE DECK IN THE WORLD!! THE VU METERS ARE THE BEST! I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE! I think after seeing this baby and seeing the performance of the 1000zxl vu meters and the sound of its quality pre-amp , the Revox B 710 with 4 motors looks like a piece of crap! The items that are working right on the tape deck after cleaning each and every switch and connector are: Pre-amp section, vu meters, the tape deck is playin a cassette now and recording but there is lots of static like a loose connection as you wiggle the connectors of the 4 plug in circuit boards on the right side of the machine the sound improves . I think there is something very minor wrong with this machine I think the leftover residue from the electronic spray cleaner is still wet in the switches and board as the time passes I find the sond becomes clearer with more static free but as of this writing it still there! . All the transport buttons fast forward, rewind, play, pause , record are working like new! The old capstan belt is working great too! I cleaned it and turned it inside out. Wish someone can help me to get the A.B.L.E( azimuth, bias, level and equalization) calibration circuit to work. to work again as pressing the RUN button to engage the auto cal results in momentarily lighting of the button and then stop and this only for a sec and nothing else happens also the tone generator works for a fraction the moment the switch is turned as I said there still remains wetness in the switches and connectors from the residue of the electronic cleaner that is contributing toward static noise and not allowing the switches to complete the circuits .THIS MACHINE HAS BEEN VERY SPARINGLY USED AND APPEARS TO HAVE NEVER! BEEN ABUSED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER AND NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN WORK ON IT BEFORE ITS IN 100 PERCENT ORIGINAL CONDITION! BELEIVE ME!!! THE SOUND FROM THE PRE-AMP SECTION AND THE VU METERS OF THE NAMKAMICHI 1000ZXL IS PROBABLY THE FINEST IN THE WORLD OF ANY CASSETTE DECK I HAVE HEARD! PERIOD. IF YOU HEAR ONE OF THESE YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!! IN COMPARISION THE CR 7A AND DRAGON LOOK LIKE TOYS!!. _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Sep 23 13:23:05 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:23:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Message-ID: Yes it's true...BUT...problematic & very NO reliable machine! Peace;ALEX! > From: nakamichi at ispwest.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon?> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:20:44 -0700> > > Congratulations!It is better than Dragon,of course.Dragon is ok deck but nothing extraordinary...> > > ------- Original Message -------> >From : BOEING747600 at aol.com[mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com]> Sent : 9/18/2006 3:15:18 PM> To : naktalk at naks.com> Cc : > Subject : RE: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon?> > Hi everyone! I have purchased a Nakamichi 1000zxl WOW!!! it really is > impressive!! and so heavy! you can imagine this big a machine is actually a cassette > deck?! why it looks as big a microwave oven(LOL:) I love it! I havent tried > it out yet! will it beat the performance of my beloved Nakamichi Dragon. I > read by some member that correct working Nakamichi 1000 ZXL is the best tape > deck in the world. I am so excited! give me some advice please what should I be > doing to get the maximum out of it. I dont have the owner's manual or service > manual yet, can some kind soul email me one?!! I will be much appreciated!! > Looking forward to some favorable comment about this beast! Many Thanks!> > Ali> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 23 15:28:20 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 06:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? In-Reply-To: <001101c6deff$c49c4440$3ec5db40@CPQ16585250299> Message-ID: <20060923132820.72279.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I remember when the elcasete came out maybe 30 years ago??? I remember they ran at 3 3/4 ips. You must be using tapes purchased back then? I'll bet when other people see it they ask you "what's that?" Can you still find tapes? Bob lenaw wrote: Running Cassette tape at higher speed supposed to generate better frequency response than standard and slower speed ( correct me in this is wrong again ) based on what has been printed on the data sheet. TEAC's C-2X and C-3X also has higher speed opinions and I was told that they sound much better when record/playback under higher speed. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 1:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Tri-tracers are great...Who needs that Dolby C anyway? I do think that 1/2 speed is a useless feature on 680 model...The sound is just ok.Do you really use it a lot?Double speed(like Elcaset)is another story.My Teac AL-700 Esoteric series Elcaset deck sounds absolutely incredible! ------- Original Message ------- >From : Hi Tech[mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent : 9/19/2006 6:30:33 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? I am amazed at the number of 700 and 1000 tri tracers for sale. These decks only lack metal tape RECORD functions, and Dolby C. Since many people eschew C and metal tape is no longer manufactured, these machines are actually worth considering. I still think the 1/2 speed 680 is the ultimate Nakamichi. Are there any NakTalkers that have a collection of 1/2 speed metal tapes? I would love to know how the collection has held up over the years, and if there are any sonic issues. tom brucker At 01:07 AM 9/19/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hey, I just picked up a 1000 Tri Tracer, and am anxiously awaiting delivery! You can pickup a manual for your 1000 ZXL here: < http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_ W0QQitemZ5872559070QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem> http://cgi.ebay.ca /Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ5872559070 QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 23 17:53:57 2006 From: jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:53:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic? - general question about capstan maintainence In-Reply-To: <200609230912.k8N9COsw031414@zxe.naks.com> References: <200609230912.k8N9COsw031414@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <45155895.9020500@bellsouth.net> Howdy All, I'm trying to do some general maintenance on a high speed cassette copier I got for cheap off of ebay. It is a pentagon c-10 if that helps. I am at the point that everything seems to work but needs lubrication for smooth operation. It was not used much at all. When powered up the capstans / motor starts immeadiately or tries to, I had to turn both at the same time by hand to get it going the first few times. I have the manual and it has a procedure for lubricating the bearings Upper and lower by adding oil. I am wondering if because of lack of use I need to spray some kind of cleaner in first before the oil or just follow the directions as they are. I also need a good source for rubber parts ( assuming it shows signs of poor speed control on recordings ) they look like o-rings maybe dime size for the cassette hub drives and saucer size for the capstan drives. Is there a printable chart on the web for sizes or a measuring technique to make sure that I order just the right thing. Although google didn't come up with much for this particular model I'll try again for maintaince instructions / parts list. Any help appreciated. If this is too off topic please respond off list. Stan Pickens From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sat Sep 23 22:25:16 2006 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (noneyhoney at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:25:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Strange current source and other electronics In-Reply-To: <200609231000.k8NA05k5031651@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all Thanks to all that helped me with these problems etc. I finally ran a thorough check through all the power sockets and finally managed to locate the broken earthing wire for the PC UPS .... hence the prob.... now its all fixed. Anyways, due to my searching the internet i came across a couple of articles on Balanced Power and this link below is a DIY article ... hope its of help to anybody. http://home.comcast.net/~thomasw_2/CheapskateBP1.html About the headphones amplifier, muting/delay ... im on with it ... thanks to all for the links and suggestions. :) Best Wishes Soumi >From: naktalk-request at naks.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 35 >Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:00:16 +0200 > >Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >Naktalk digest mailing list >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? (Bob Petrovich) > 2. Re: Strange current source and other electronics (Mikkel Breiler) > 3. Re: Meter calibration (Pawel Bartuzi) >From: Bob Petrovich >Reply-To: bg56322 at yahoo.com,Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? >Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:58:47 -0700 (PDT) >Following Marc Hugo's advice I took a plunge and scooped all FUJI DR-IIs I >found on sale in a local music store. > >The results with RX-505 are excellent, especially with Dolby B. I usually >record without Dolby, but the tape hiss can be heard on silent passages). I >haven't had time to try other Naks. > >ZII is better, but DR-II is quite acceptable, no worse than newer SA-X. >If you find it at a bargain price, stock up ! > >I hope this advice will be usefull for other Nakkers. > >Once again, thanks Marc. > > >Bob >From: Mikkel Breiler >Reply-To: mibm at tdcadsl.dk,Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Strange current source and other electronics >Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:51:57 +0200 >On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:03:07 +0000, wrote: > > >Hi All > > > >I have a couple of questions ... slightly off topic..... but quite a lot >of > >gurus here who can help im sure :) > > > >1) Im beat trying to figure out the cause of this :: > >My Nak is parked on my PCs CPU ... there is no metal contact between the >PC > >and the Nak's body. In fact i have a 4mm thick polycarbonate layer in > >between now. > >It is disconnected from the mains totally, yet everytime i touch any >metal > >part barefoot, i get a slight shock. > >What on earth is this ?? What is the cause ?? > > > >2) Can anybody guide me to any decent electronic schematics for > > a) Damping the signal from my preamp to the headphones ... so that when > >its turned on my headphones dont thump > > >What you need is a relay for the signal to the headphones. When power is >turned on >the relay should take 3-4 seconds to make contact between the headphones >and the amp >section. > >A cheap work around is not to insert the headphones jack until after the >amp is >powered up. But if you have this problem with an amp I suggest you >incorporate a >switch on the outside using an extra set of speakers terminals for your >speakers, and >which hooks into the sockets already present this is the least intrusive >solution and >also keeps its secod hand value level 8may even enhance it if you made a >nice job). > >If you make the switch manual you will forget to deactivate the speakers >when you >turn off the amp or forget to do it just prior to switching the amp on. > >Powering it from the amp itself should not be more than a cosmetic problem. >But >building the circuit into the amp so it works with your current sockets and >protects >the speakers and headphones from inside will be tough. >In my opinion you are best off making the external switch box accomodate a >1/4'' >headphone sockets and use resistors to take the voltage down to suit your >headphones. > >Basically I believe you can build what you need using a simple 555 diagram >showing >how to select a proper time, and add enough components to pull a relay. I >am not sure >you can get this as a kit but you might get a timer kit to ad the relay >components >to. And I think expanding a kit will be most cheap and helpful, as most >parts are >already there and you get a instruction on how to put it together along >with all the >parts and a PCB for the main timer funtion. The relay is usually a big >block about >0.5'' x 1.25'' and about 1'' tall which is pcb mounted. > >So for something like that you are looking at a rather bulky solution to >place in >front of the preamp between the headphones and the headphones sockets on >the front. >Add to that the looks of it when you draw power from the amp itself. Or >further >bulkiness if you choose a battery option. I do not think relays lend >themselves too >well to battery operation, probably it will run the battery down quick. > >I suppose if your problem is your amp was not designed with a delayed >speakers relay >then your best option is to get one that does have it. If all you really do >is >monitor on headphones you do not need a 20-30-40-50-60-70-80 or bigger watt >amp, all >you need is a working one. Heck, if it is integrated you don't even need a >working >phono input unless you need it for transferring to the pc for cleanup and >making cds. > > >Mainly you are looking at a cheap headphone amp with acceptable cosmetics. >you favor >solutions you can build yourself. So .. Why not built a headphone amp >yourself. Now >all you need to find is a suitable 1-3 Watt stereo amp kit with usable >frequency >range and a low S/N ratio. Also a box which you can add a selector for >inputs and >output (going from your cassette into that and on to the pc input if you >like to >sample your tape. And ditto going back again. The box should be a >comfortable size to >accomodate at least these things > >- power transformer and power pcb (expensive). Or a socket for external >power using a >small DC socket and add a wallwart. (cheap). Cheaper or expensive unless >you have a >transformer and power pcb or an old wallwart perhaps PC laptop grade, that >should >have enough power!!!. >- grommet for mains wire if you build in the power transformer. required by >law and >common sense. Pick one which stops pulling the wire out of the chassis. > >- amp kit pcb. >- volume controls. (Possibly in the amp kit). > >- timer kit pcb. >- a relay circuit for the headphone socket. > >- ON/OFF switch. Put it front or back - you decide. > >- an LED power indicator on front. It is an extra hole a few wires and one >component >to see if the device is on - worth it if you placed the on/off switch on >the back!!! > >- any RCA connectors on the back. See what you can get in blocks of 2x2, >this will >make it easy to drill holes on the back for RCA and for mounting screws. > >- if you plan toadd tone control when economics allow the box should be >bigger > >- rubber feet. Don't skimp pick a durable set of four. Glue or screw - you >decide. > > >Some features to put as RCA on the back would include a line through, a >selectable >through 2x2 RCA. And separate inputs or space for it, perhaps you'd like >the option >of fitting an RIAA amp inside and have the selector capable of selecting >it, get a >selector with more positions than you need now to make room for expansion >later on. >In the same fashion you can add a microphone amp (stereo if your mike is >stereo, and >even a pot on the front for panning mono in stereo or for separate mixing >of >microhone signal). > >Most stereo amp kits should run off 12-18V DC so matchign up a PSU from an >old laptop >should be easy and you can try to get a matching csocket for the headphone >amp or use >a much cheaper matchign pair alternative. >If the amp ends up rather flimsy or you do not have anything to keep it in >place when >you select sources or turn volume knob, just add a book or two on top or >makes some >holes in to bottom in the corners and place som long bolts then you can >secure some >metal in there to weigh it down. of course placing the transformer in side >will do >the trick, but that is more expensive than making >-Mikkel > > >From: Pawel Bartuzi >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Meter calibration >Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:10:32 +0200 >Interesting, what happened to the prototype then? Did you repair it? > >Hi Tech wrote: > > Why is a decibel important? It represents experimentally the smallest > > discernable difference is sound level detected by average listeners. > > Why are the scales logarithmic? Our ears respond logarithmically to air > > pressure (sound waves are compressed and rarefacted air). > > Why is math used? Circuits are usually designed on paper, then >prototyped. > > Once a 480 came in for service and when the cover was remover I >noticed > > the pc board was a funny color, all ICs were in sockets, and it had 3 >times > > as many wires routed inside. I called Nak. It was a prototype, they >said. > > > > tom brucker > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >Czas wybrac dobra nazwe! >www.nazwa.pl > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ The next best thing! Messenger Video Conversation. Click here! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview2000 From nakamichi at ispwest.com Sat Sep 23 23:37:01 2006 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:37:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Message-ID: The elcasets appear on ebay & other places pretty often...Elcaset decks were discontinued 30 years ago but Sony was forced to make Elcaset tapes till early 1990's to support their hardware(due to European trade commission agreeement) ------- Original Message ------- >From : Bob Naylor[mailto:wotbob at sbcglobal.net] Sent : 9/23/2006 6:28:20 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? I remember when the elcasete came out maybe 30 years ago??? I remember they ran at 3 3/4 ips. You must be using tapes purchased back then? I'll bet when other people see it they ask you "what's that?" Can you still find tapes? Bob lenaw wrote: Running Cassette tape at higher speed supposed to generate better frequency response than standard and slower speed ( correct me in this is wrong again ) based on what has been printed on the data sheet. TEAC's C-2X and C-3X also has higher speed opinions and I was told that they sound much better when record/playback under higher speed. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 1:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Tri-tracers are great...Who needs that Dolby C anyway? I do think that 1/2 speed is a useless feature on 680 model...The sound is just ok.Do you really use it a lot?Double speed(like Elcaset)is another story.My Teac AL-700 Esoteric series Elcaset deck sounds absolutely incredible! ------- Original Message ------- >From : Hi Tech[ mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent : 9/19/2006 6:30:33 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? I am amazed at the number of 700 and 1000 tri tracers for sale. These decks only lack metal tape RECORD functions, and Dolby C. Since many people eschew C and metal tape is no longer manufactured, these machines are actually worth considering. I still think the 1/2 speed 680 is the ultimate Nakamichi. Are there any NakTalkers that have a collection of 1/2 speed metal tapes? I would love to know how the collection has held up over the years, and if there are any sonic issues. tom brucker At 01:07 AM 9/19/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hey, I just picked up a 1000 Tri Tracer, and am anxiously awaiting delivery! You can pickup a manual for your 1000 ZXL here: < http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_ W0QQitemZ5872559070QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem> http://cgi.ebay.ca /Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-Owners-Manual_W0QQitemZ5872559070 QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50594QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Sep 24 01:55:47 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:55:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL COMPARISION WITH REVOX B 710 Message-ID: <591.65c4a780.32472383@aol.com> AND THE WINNER IS NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL!! HANDS DOWN!! I HAVE THE REVOX 710 Mk1 AND IT DONT EVEN COME CLOSE!! THE KEY IS THE QUALITY OF THE PRE-AMP SECTION IN THE 1000 ZXL ITS FANTASTIC! AND YOU DONT KNOW HOW GOOD LED METERS CAN BE STILL YOU SEE THE BALASTIC! OF THE BLUE LED METERS ON THE 1000ZXL IN COMPARISION THE ONE ON THE REVOX GAVE ME A GOOD LAUGH!!!! :) IT LOOK CHEAP!! THE SCALE OF THIS MACHINE IS AWESOME! AND BLOW AWAY THE REVOXES , TANDBERGS AND YES, DRAGON AND CR 7A . I REALLY THINK THIS IS THE MACHINE!! OF ALL NAKAMICHI CASSETTE DECK TO OWN , I HAVE OWNED MOST ALL NAKAMICHI HI-END CASSETTE DECKS INCLUDING THE TWO SPEED 680 ZX AND THE 700 ZXL, BUT NONE OF THEM HAS IMPRESSED ME LIKE THIS HONEY!! SORRY FOR WRITING IN CAPS GUESS GOE A LITTLE EXCITED!:) I STILL NEED BALA OR KANNAN HELP T FIGURE OUT THE A.B.L.E CIRCUIT WHICH IS NOT WORKING AT THE MOMENT PLUS A COUPLE OF MORE PROBLEMS IN FORM OF STATIC NOISES ON THIS HONEY OTHERWISE COSMETICALLY ITS ONE OF THE BEST PRESERVED 1000 ZXL IN EXSISTENCE AS IT LOOKS ALMOST NEW! THATS ALL FOLKS!:) ALI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Sep 24 02:27:02 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:27:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk] FURTHER OBSERVATION OF THE 1000ZXL PROBLEMS. PLEASE HELP KBY! Message-ID: <38f.ab8fe93.32472ad6@aol.com> HI kby, Thanks for taking out time to write about my 1000zxl problem which is much appreciated! I think with your help I might able to bring this baby back to mint shape functionally as its in mint condition cosmetically at moment. Since my last email here is what I have found out! Once in a blue moon! specially after turning on the machine for the first time and if I am lucky!! the tone generator comes on full blast when switched for a very breif period and then disappears! I have cleaned the switch numerous times and it click positively and still no go! with the test tone! Also engaing the play result in first sound from one channel only and then all of sudden the other missing channel come on ! out of nowhere! there is lots of static very uncomfortable!! then it stop for a little while then comes back on, and the channel that come to live all of sudden decides to quit! I have cleaned every single connectore even cleaned them with very fine 400 grit sand paper for 100 percent positive contact each and every single connector and terminal has been painstakingly cleaned! but still no luck!! I have checked very single circuit trace to see if any was broken going from the connectors on the circuit board , I did find a couple which I repaired with solder and wire but this did not solve the problem. I have the 1000 zxl service manual but it contains more materials about aligning and testing the machine then real life scenaro with t trouble shooting the problem at hand! I am thinking maybe the power supply is supplying to much voltage ripple to cause the static noises and also the reason for this thinking is that the playback or record level gets really very high with just a little upward motion of the input slider controls same with the playback. Also was thinking the full blast of the 400hz test tone at full volume when it does come and then cutting off and staying that way maybe be linked to power supply what is your take on this?! . You being more experienced will know by the symptons what my next step should be . ONCE AGAIN! I REALLY! AND I MEAN REALLY APPRECIATE!! YOUR KIND HELP! to help me fix this machine! I think together with your help we will get this honey fixed! like new! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From btorre at ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 24 02:53:08 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:53:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic? - general question about capstan maintainence In-Reply-To: <45155895.9020500@bellsouth.net> References: <200609230912.k8N9COsw031414@zxe.naks.com> <45155895.9020500@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060923205103.0343a0a0@ix.netcom.com> At 11:53 AM 9/23/06, you wrote: >Any help appreciated. If the problem is in fact oil for the bearings, try a few drops of Rislone. (yes, the stuff they sell in the auto parts store - one quart bottle will last a lifetime of decks.) Dig into the manual and see if it is a DC servomotor or an AC motor. If it is AC, it might have a bad start cap. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 24 08:24:19 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL REALLY IS IMPRESSIVE!!...WOW!!:) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060919151636.0083a570@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060924062419.92933.qmail@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Just back from a working trip to Brussells and Manchester. Seems like plenty of activity around the 1000ZXL :) Ali, looks like you finally realized what I have been trying to tell everyone for a long time. The other decks are fine, but not quite in the same league as the ZXL machines. They belong to a class called the Super Decks. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Hi Tech wrote: Ali, Remember, there is the gold plated 1000ZXL to lust for.... tom brucker At 08:31 AM 9/19/06 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Hi Luis, Many THANKS! :) for sending that link to 1000ZXL free owner's manual. I am so excited kind wait to try it out!!! it REALLY!!! is an empressive machine . I have a Nakamichi Dragon also owned CR 7A and many other Nakamichi hi-end cassette deck BUT! none of these come EVEN CLOSE!! to looking like Nakamichi 1000 ZXL in comparision cometically atleast the the dragon, cr 7a and others look like cheap toys! If you have a 1000 ZXL then you might be knowing why?! I am saying this!! And oh that gorgeous red rosewood cabinet!! You get the idea! SORRY FOR GETTING CARRIED AWAY!! With Best Regards! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Sep 24 09:24:17 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:24:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FURTHER OBSERVATION OF THE 1000ZXL PROBLEMS. PLEASE HELP KBY! In-Reply-To: <38f.ab8fe93.32472ad6@aol.com> References: <38f.ab8fe93.32472ad6@aol.com> Message-ID: <451632A1.30807@peromarta.org> Still looks to me like orange cap issue. Some info on my website, look for the 1000_zxl pages, it's a start: http://peromarta.org/main/naks.html Best rgds, LP. BOEING747600 at aol.com escribió: > HI kby, Thanks for taking out time to write about my 1000zxl problem > which is much appreciated! I think with your help I might able to bring > this baby back to mint shape functionally as its in mint condition > cosmetically at moment. > > Since my last email here is what I have found out! Once in a blue > moon! specially after turning on the machine for the first time and if I > am lucky!! the tone generator comes on full blast when switched for a > very breif period and then disappears! I have cleaned the switch > numerous times and it click positively and still no go! with the test > tone! Also engaing the play result in first sound from one channel only > and then all of sudden the other missing channel come on ! out of > nowhere! there is lots of static very uncomfortable!! then it stop for a > little while then comes back on, and the channel that come to live all > of sudden decides to quit! I have cleaned every single connectore even > cleaned them with very fine 400 grit sand paper for 100 percent positive > contact each and every single connector and terminal has been > painstakingly cleaned! but still no luck!! > > I have checked very single circuit trace to see if any was broken going > from the connectors on the circuit board , I did find a couple which I > repaired with solder and wire but this did not solve the problem. I have > the 1000 zxl service manual but it contains more materials about > aligning and testing the machine then real life scenaro with t trouble > shooting the problem at hand! > > I am thinking maybe the power supply is supplying to much voltage > ripple to cause the static noises and also the reason for this thinking > is that the playback or record level gets really very high with just > a little upward motion of the input slider controls same with the > playback. Also was thinking the full blast of the 400hz test tone at > full volume when it does come and then cutting off and staying that way > maybe be linked to power supply what is your take on this?! . You being > more experienced will know by the symptons what my next step should be . > ONCE AGAIN! I REALLY! AND I MEAN REALLY APPRECIATE!! YOUR KIND HELP! > to help me fix this machine! I think together with your help we will > get this honey fixed! like new! > > With Best Regards! > Ali > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Sep 24 11:09:28 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 04:09:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck Vintage NEW IN BOX! (item 170002058085 end time Sep-24-06 13:18:44 PDT) Message-ID: -- I dont know whether to laugh or get disgusted.. A Nak 500 for 900.00 U.S? This guy's gone off the deep end.IMHO, that is. In Fact, I gtt a Nak 500 today,that works great, and I'm offering it to the first person who makes a 25.00 donation to Naktalk (+postage). From parabus at netvigator.com Sun Sep 24 12:36:29 2006 From: parabus at netvigator.com (Bernard Lee) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:36:29 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 38 References: <200609241001.k8OA0xsC005972@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000501c6dfc5$4b799b50$6400a8c0@ampex4216bd3b0> September 24, 2006. NAK 1000ZXL test tone 400Hz problem........look into the 2 boards sandwiched together at the top....you can swing them upward. Look into the bottom board.....that's where the tone oscillator circuit is.........there should be a few ORANGE COLOR CAPS on the board......... ......C303, C304...etc........REPLACE ALL ORANGE CAPS on this board......these caps are shorting out the oscilllator tone generator. I had the same problem.....fixed after repalcing the caps......good luck !! Best regards, Bernard Lee (Hong Kong) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 38 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FURTHER OBSERVATION OF THE 1000ZXL PROBLEMS. PLEASE HELP > KBY! (Luis Peromarta) > 2. eBay: Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck Vintage NEW IN BOX! > (item 170002058085 end time Sep-24-06 13:18:44 PDT) (jerryjg) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:24:17 +0200 > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FURTHER OBSERVATION OF THE 1000ZXL PROBLEMS. > PLEASE HELP KBY! > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <451632A1.30807 at peromarta.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Still looks to me like orange cap issue. > > Some info on my website, look for the 1000_zxl pages, it's a start: > > http://peromarta.org/main/naks.html > > Best rgds, LP. > > BOEING747600 at aol.com escribió: >> HI kby, Thanks for taking out time to write about my 1000zxl problem >> which is much appreciated! I think with your help I might able to bring >> this baby back to mint shape functionally as its in mint condition >> cosmetically at moment. >> >> Since my last email here is what I have found out! Once in a blue >> moon! specially after turning on the machine for the first time and if I >> am lucky!! the tone generator comes on full blast when switched for a >> very breif period and then disappears! I have cleaned the switch >> numerous times and it click positively and still no go! with the test >> tone! Also engaing the play result in first sound from one channel only >> and then all of sudden the other missing channel come on ! out of >> nowhere! there is lots of static very uncomfortable!! then it stop for a >> little while then comes back on, and the channel that come to live all >> of sudden decides to quit! I have cleaned every single connectore even >> cleaned them with very fine 400 grit sand paper for 100 percent positive >> contact each and every single connector and terminal has been >> painstakingly cleaned! but still no luck!! >> >> I have checked very single circuit trace to see if any was broken going >> from the connectors on the circuit board , I did find a couple which I >> repaired with solder and wire but this did not solve the problem. I have >> the 1000 zxl service manual but it contains more materials about >> aligning and testing the machine then real life scenaro with t trouble >> shooting the problem at hand! >> >> I am thinking maybe the power supply is supplying to much voltage >> ripple to cause the static noises and also the reason for this thinking >> is that the playback or record level gets really very high with just >> a little upward motion of the input slider controls same with the >> playback. Also was thinking the full blast of the 400hz test tone at >> full volume when it does come and then cutting off and staying that way >> maybe be linked to power supply what is your take on this?! . You being >> more experienced will know by the symptons what my next step should be . >> ONCE AGAIN! I REALLY! AND I MEAN REALLY APPRECIATE!! YOUR KIND HELP! >> to help me fix this machine! I think together with your help we will >> get this honey fixed! like new! >> >> With Best Regards! >> Ali >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 04:09:28 -0500 > From: jerryjg > Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck Vintage > NEW IN BOX! (item 170002058085 end time Sep-24-06 13:18:44 PDT) > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; > charset=iso-8859-15 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170002058085&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 >> > > -- I dont know whether to laugh or get disgusted.. A Nak 500 for 900.00 > U.S? This guy's gone off the deep end.IMHO, that is. In Fact, I gtt a Nak > 500 today,that works great, and I'm offering it to the first person who > makes a 25.00 donation to Naktalk (+postage). > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 38 > *************************************** > > From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sun Sep 24 12:14:55 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 03:14:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck Vintage NEW IN BOX! (item 170002058085 end time Sep-24-06 13:18:44 PDT) References: Message-ID: <114701c6dfc2$5515cf60$9e274446@a72400shuttle> $3880 CDN for a 1000 II, also "new in the box". He has high hopes! From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 24 17:02:42 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FURTHER OBSERVATION OF THE 1000ZXL PROBLEMS. PLEASE HELP KBY! In-Reply-To: <451632A1.30807@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20060924150242.78066.qmail@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Caps are certainly a problem with this deck. But another important thing this deck needs is a ful calibration. Especially the electronics. The heads are good and need no adjustments unless you have changed them. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Luis Peromarta wrote: Still looks to me like orange cap issue. Some info on my website, look for the 1000_zxl pages, it's a start: http://peromarta.org/main/naks.html Best rgds, LP. BOEING747600 at aol.com escribió: > HI kby, Thanks for taking out time to write about my 1000zxl problem > which is much appreciated! I think with your help I might able to bring > this baby back to mint shape functionally as its in mint condition > cosmetically at moment. > > Since my last email here is what I have found out! Once in a blue > moon! specially after turning on the machine for the first time and if I > am lucky!! the tone generator comes on full blast when switched for a > very breif period and then disappears! I have cleaned the switch > numerous times and it click positively and still no go! with the test > tone! Also engaing the play result in first sound from one channel only > and then all of sudden the other missing channel come on ! out of > nowhere! there is lots of static very uncomfortable!! then it stop for a > little while then comes back on, and the channel that come to live all > of sudden decides to quit! I have cleaned every single connectore even > cleaned them with very fine 400 grit sand paper for 100 percent positive > contact each and every single connector and terminal has been > painstakingly cleaned! but still no luck!! > > I have checked very single circuit trace to see if any was broken going > from the connectors on the circuit board , I did find a couple which I > repaired with solder and wire but this did not solve the problem. I have > the 1000 zxl service manual but it contains more materials about > aligning and testing the machine then real life scenaro with t trouble > shooting the problem at hand! > > I am thinking maybe the power supply is supplying to much voltage > ripple to cause the static noises and also the reason for this thinking > is that the playback or record level gets really very high with just > a little upward motion of the input slider controls same with the > playback. Also was thinking the full blast of the 400hz test tone at > full volume when it does come and then cutting off and staying that way > maybe be linked to power supply what is your take on this?! . You being > more experienced will know by the symptons what my next step should be . > ONCE AGAIN! I REALLY! AND I MEAN REALLY APPRECIATE!! YOUR KIND HELP! > to help me fix this machine! I think together with your help we will > get this honey fixed! like new! > > With Best Regards! > Ali > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 24 17:05:00 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL COMPARISION WITH REVOX B 710 In-Reply-To: <591.65c4a780.32472383@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060924150500.65980.qmail@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali, Just back from a working trip. What exactly is the problem with the computers? Do the following things: Load a blank tape, press pause and rec together. Then press the run and cal buttons together, and at the same time, hit play. Tell me what you observe. We can take it from there. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh 79Labs BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: AND THE WINNER IS NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL!! HANDS DOWN!! I HAVE THE REVOX 710 Mk1 AND IT DONT EVEN COME CLOSE!! THE KEY IS THE QUALITY OF THE PRE-AMP SECTION IN THE 1000 ZXL ITS FANTASTIC! AND YOU DONT KNOW HOW GOOD LED METERS CAN BE STILL YOU SEE THE BALASTIC! OF THE BLUE LED METERS ON THE 1000ZXL IN COMPARISION THE ONE ON THE REVOX GAVE ME A GOOD LAUGH!!!! :) IT LOOK CHEAP!! THE SCALE OF THIS MACHINE IS AWESOME! AND BLOW AWAY THE REVOXES , TANDBERGS AND YES, DRAGON AND CR 7A . I REALLY THINK THIS IS THE MACHINE!! OF ALL NAKAMICHI CASSETTE DECK TO OWN , I HAVE OWNED MOST ALL NAKAMICHI HI-END CASSETTE DECKS INCLUDING THE TWO SPEED 680 ZX AND THE 700 ZXL, BUT NONE OF THEM HAS IMPRESSED ME LIKE THIS HONEY!! SORRY FOR WRITING IN CAPS GUESS GOE A LITTLE EXCITED!:) I STILL NEED BALA OR KANNAN HELP T FIGURE OUT THE A.B.L.E CIRCUIT WHICH IS NOT WORKING AT THE MOMENT PLUS A COUPLE OF MORE PROBLEMS IN FORM OF STATIC NOISES ON THIS HONEY OTHERWISE COSMETICALLY ITS ONE OF THE BEST PRESERVED 1000 ZXL IN EXSISTENCE AS IT LOOKS ALMOST NEW! THATS ALL FOLKS!:) ALI ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 24 18:54:17 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 11:54:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Meter calibration In-Reply-To: <4514DDE8.1040305@bartuzi.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20060922165559.007a2600@earthlink.net> <200609221002.k8MA0cnH018153@zxe.naks.com> <3.0.3.32.20060922165559.007a2600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060924115417.008286a0@earthlink.net> yes. The mechanism was the standard one. I assume it is still in use somewhere in Nashville. I do not understand how a Japanese prototype made it to the US. The one Nakamichi treasure for collectors is the black anodized Bang and Olufsen 4002 turntable (normal silver color) that they had in their Santa Monica lobby, paired with the 730 receiver and mistubishi MS 40 speakers! Where could it be??? tom brucker At 09:10 AM 9/23/06 +0200, you wrote: >Interesting, what happened to the prototype then? Did you repair it? > >-- >Pawel > > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Why is a decibel important? It represents experimentally the smallest >> discernable difference is sound level detected by average listeners. >> Why are the scales logarithmic? Our ears respond logarithmically to air >> pressure (sound waves are compressed and rarefacted air). >> Why is math used? Circuits are usually designed on paper, then prototyped. >> Once a 480 came in for service and when the cover was remover I noticed >> the pc board was a funny color, all ICs were in sockets, and it had 3 times >> as many wires routed inside. I called Nak. It was a prototype, they said. >> >> tom brucker >> > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >Czas wybrac dobra nazwe! >www.nazwa.pl >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 24 19:28:05 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 12:28:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] question for Bala, ESL re: 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <20060924150242.78066.qmail@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <451632A1.30807@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060924122805.007b62b0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It would be tedious to do so, and I would of course be worried about doing something wrong, but it didn't look difficult for soneone who knew how to do might (more likely you than me). Note that the 700zxl one is different, but somewhat less complicated. If the amount of adjustment is small and and in some of the circuits, or just for basic diagnostics, I have noticed one useful piece of information in the past. Even though it mutes things at the output jacks during the autocal procedure, it does not do so at the external NR out jacks (where you'd normally connect the Dolby-C unit, although anything can be connected--like a T-100). If the autocal isn't completely hosed, and it makes some of the sequence, you can see the computer sequence through things. You need the box if you need the computer to stand still so you can adjust the level of the oscillator plus the D/A conversion of things, but you can see if it's at least close and to some degree see what it's doing (in conjunction with the flow chart).-kby From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Sep 24 13:15:17 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 07:15:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] HI BALA! glad to see you back!:) Please HELP!! with the Nak 1000 zxl Message-ID: <565.69f574a.3247c2c5@aol.com> Hi Bala, Hope you are fine! Glad to see you are back! from your trip to Europe you must have lots of fun I like to got Europe also. I need your KIND HELP! to fix my 1000 zxl. You must have gotten my posts so you must by gotten a pretty good idea what need to be done to this beauty to bring it up to specs. Here is a breif of areas need to be looked into to make it mint functionally: Following items are giving me the blues!:) 400 Hz test tone generator one in a blue moon come on! for a sec or two and then quits. A nice nakker from Hong Kong have written in his post the orange caps in the bottom of the two board on the top of the machine need to be replaced. There must be hundreds of orange caps in this machine! do all of them have to be replaced?! That must be quite a task~. Secondly the ABLE circuit is not working the azimuth motor is fine I have checked it with an externam 5 volts power supply the motor moves without problems. I have been told be a nice nakker kby that if the 400 test tone does not work then the ABLE will not function either. Thirdly there is awful lots of static on both play and record and one of the channel cut on and off in both play and record. The reason I brought his tape deck for more than $800! was because the seller has written although it powers up and does nothing else it had belonged to a woman whose husband had passed away and has not been used since then just sitting there! all these years . I thought maybe it will just need cleaning of the capstan and the idler and maybe the capstan belt and other belts like the head positioning motor belt which I have replaced but turned out it has the orange caps problems for what I am trying to understand now !! Cosmetically the unit is mint shape not a single scratch on the face plate. Its in 100 percent original condition and no one has ever worked on it before apart from me now! YOU ARE THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE HERE OF THE GROUP AND THE AUTHORITY ON THE NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL ( I LOVE THIS MACHINE!!) IF YOU CANT HELP ME FIX IT NO ONE CAN!! I think the pre-amp section which is working like new! as is the tape transport and the vu meters are probably the finest! in the world . I can imagine how good it will sound once the problem above are fixed!! MANY THANKS! FOR ANY KIND HELP YOUI CAN PROVIDE TO GET THIS BEAUTY GOING AGAIN!! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Sep 24 14:46:54 2006 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:46:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 410 preamp References: <114701c6dfc2$5515cf60$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <000a01c6dfd7$84619c30$53f66391@msiamd> Hello, i'am looking for a replacement volume potentio meter for a Nakamichi 410 Preamp. Is there someone who knows how to get this item? Regards Norman From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Sep 24 20:22:56 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:22:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck Vintage NEW IN BOX! (item 170002058085 end time Sep-24-06 13:18:44 PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Dennis-for the Donation to Naktalk by proxy. It has been awhile since I made a charitable contribution,so I hope this eases my conscious till I can send a gift. Your Nak 500 will be winging its way soon to the great Nation of Canada-by the way, where IS Canada? Isnt that next to New Zealand or something?? ..LOL, Jerry On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 04:09:28 -0500, jerryjg wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170002058085&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 >> > > -- I dont know whether to laugh or get disgusted.. A Nak 500 for 900.00 > U.S? This guy's gone off the deep end.IMHO, that is. In Fact, I gtt a > Nak 500 today,that works great, and I'm offering it to the first person > who makes a 25.00 donation to Naktalk (+postage). > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Sep 24 19:50:21 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:50:21 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL AUTO CAL TEST DONE BALA HELP! Message-ID: Hi Bala, I did what you told me to with a brand blank tape i.e. placed the machine in record/pause mode and while holding the run button down of the auto cal the and hitting the record button the machine went in the record mode but nothing else happened, the button on the left side of the RUN button and the RUN button stayed lit all the time no deflection of the vu meters no flashing on the auto cal display unit on the top. Then I tried the sam procedure with a recorded TDK SA 90 tape this time the button next to the RUN botton started flashing stop flashing after few seconds then again started flashing the second time and then stopped for a breif time and then again started flashing the third time this time it just keep on flashing and would not stop all the time the machine was in record mode with the reels moving in both the tests above. And in both the cases the auto calibration display did not flash at all! only the blue lighted button next to the RUN button. And try to see if the 400 hz test tone was there I was suprised to see yes it was working very well at with the level at a correct 0 db as shown by the vu meters than all of sudden it was gone! i.e. the test tone! So this is the situation as of now! I wait your kind further instruction. AS ALWAYS MANY MANY THANKS FOR YOUR KIND HELP! WHICH IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY ME!! YOU ARE A GENIUS! With Best Regards! Ali Sikander Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Sep 24 21:44:48 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:44:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL AUTO CAL TEST DONE BALA HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4516E030.8060409@peromarta.org> Ali, You MUST fix and calibrate PB amp first, you need to get clear reproduction of pre-recorded tapes before attemting anything else. Don't bother troubleshooting the oscillator, recording, ABLE problems, etc before. Grab your service manual, count every single PP cap, buy replacements and start swapping. You can then move from there. Best rgds, PL. BOEING747600 at aol.com escribió: > Hi Bala, I did what you told me to with a brand blank tape i.e. placed > the machine in record/pause mode and while holding the run button down > of the auto cal the and hitting the record button the machine went in > the record mode but nothing else happened, the button on the left side > of the RUN button and the RUN button stayed lit all the time no > deflection of the vu meters no flashing on the auto cal display unit on > the top. > > Then I tried the sam procedure with a recorded TDK SA 90 tape this > time the button next to the RUN botton started flashing stop flashing > after few seconds then again started flashing the second time and then > stopped for a breif time and then again started flashing the third time > this time it just keep on flashing and would not stop all the time the > machine was in record mode with the reels moving in both the tests > above. And in both the cases the auto calibration display did not flash > at all! only the blue lighted button next to the RUN button. And try to > see if the 400 hz test tone was there I was suprised to see yes it was > working very well at with the level at a correct 0 db as shown by the > vu meters than all of sudden it was gone! i.e. the test tone! So this > is the situation as of now! > > I wait your kind further instruction. AS ALWAYS MANY MANY THANKS FOR > YOUR KIND HELP! WHICH IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY ME!! YOU ARE A GENIUS! > > With Best Regards! > Ali > Sikander Ali > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Sep 24 21:53:04 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:53:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500 Center channel Blend mic input question Message-ID: Just out of curiositry, has anyone used the center channel blend feature with two other mics in a live recording? I would be interested to hear about that. Maybe I jumped the gun on getting rid of the 500, although they are common enough to come by on the Bay. Is the 500 the only unit with center channel blend? Kermit would know this. By the way, anyone have any news from Kermit the Grey? Its been a few months since he posted anything and I know he had health issues, so I'm wondering how he's doing. -- From luis at peromarta.org Sun Sep 24 23:45:23 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:45:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500 Center channel Blend mic input question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4516FC73.9040506@peromarta.org> 1000 and 550 - there may be others - also have 3 mics input. Nakamichi had this "Live recording System" brochure. I have an original, and I've seen pdf around there but I can't recall where. If there is the demand, I may be able to scan it and share it. Best rgds, LP. jerryjg escribió: > Just out of curiositry, has anyone used the center channel blend feature > with two other mics in a live recording? I would be interested to hear > about that. Maybe I jumped the gun on getting rid of the 500, although > they are common enough to come by on the Bay. Is the 500 the only unit > with center channel blend? Kermit would know this. By the way, anyone > have any news from Kermit the Grey? Its been a few months since he > posted anything and I know he had health issues, so I'm wondering how > he's doing. > > -- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 00:14:03 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 15:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] question for Bala, ESL re: 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060924122805.007b62b0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060924221403.51028.qmail@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Tom, If you have burst a bubble, its those whom I seek to help enjoy their decks. Not mine. The calibration units were built, and basically gave you a way to interact with the digital circuits in order to trim them via pots. It didn't write anything back to the uprocessor. The processor is a PMOS, so you can't write back into its program memory. The jig doesn't do that. Also, calibration does not only mean ABLE calibration. The ABLE, as complex as it may sound, wasn't the most complex computers Nak put on their machines. That honour goes to the CR7, which had 5 seperate processors. The analogue circuits need their calibration and alignment. That requires a good multimeter, and preferably a scope. All the ZXL machines that have come to me have had one problem - their electronics were way out of balace. They sounded good, but after almost 24 years, you can imagine how much the tolerances of the components must have drifted off value, and the cumulative effects of that. So that is right up there on the must do list. The statement that the ZXL machine is hard to fix, complex, impossible to get parts is a myth. I have broken that myth 7 times now - 5 of my own machines and two more friends. Of course I wouldn't take money, they are friends! Opted for their stash of blank tapes instead :D Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Hi Tech wrote: Bala, I sat down with the manual last night. How many calibration units are there in the world? I certainly do not have one. While I would build one if needed, it is no small task. I would not recommend anyone purchase a 1000 or 700ZXL with expectations of calibration without first finding a servicer with the proper calibration unit. I am sure ESL has one in America, correct? For those who may not understand, the ABLE system can calibrate all tapes for optimum recording . What I am describing here is the calibration of the automatic circuit itself. The cal unit reads and writes binary codes into the 1000ZXL microprocessor. Potentiometers are not used for many of the alignments. if this bursts your bubble, take heart. I also scanned the Dragon TX turntable manual. The calibration and jig list were extensive and not reproduceable. tom brucker At 08:02 AM 9/24/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi, Caps are certainly a problem with this deck. But another important thing this deck needs is a ful calibration. Especially the electronics. The heads are good and need no adjustments unless you have changed them. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Luis Peromarta < wrote: Still looks to me like orange cap issue. Some info on my website, look for the 1000_zxl pages, it's a start: http://peromarta.org/main/naks.html Best rgds, LP. BOEING747600 at aol.com escribió: > HI kby, Thanks for taking out time to write about my 1000zxl problem > which is much appreciated! I think with your help I might able to bring > this baby back to mint shape functionally as its in mint condition > cosmetically at moment. > > Since my last email here is what I have found out! Once in a blue > moon! specially after turning on the machine for the first time and if I > am lucky!! the tone generator comes on full blast when switched for a > very breif period and then disappears! I have cleaned the switch > numerous times and it click positively and still no go! with the test > tone! Also engaing the play result in first sound from one channel only > and then all of sudden the other missing channel come on ! out of > nowhere! there is lots of static very uncomfortable!! then it stop for a > little while then comes back on, and the channel that come to live all > of sudden decides to quit! I have cleaned every single connectore even > cleaned them with very fine 400 grit sand paper for 100 percent positive > contact each and every single connector and terminal has been > painstakingly cleaned! but still no luck!! > > I have checked very single circuit trace to see if any was broken going > from the connectors on the circuit board , I did find a couple which I > repaired with solder and wire but this did not solve the problem. I have > the 1000 zxl service manual but it contains more materials about > aligning and testing the machine then real life scenaro with t trouble > shooting the problem at hand! > > I am thinking maybe the power supply is supplying to much voltage > ripple to cause the static noises and also the reason for this thinking > is that the playback or record level gets really very high with just > a little upward motion of the input slider controls same with the > playback. Also was thinking the full blast of the 400hz test tone at > full volume when it does come and then cutting off and staying that way > maybe be linked to power supply what is your take on this?! . You being > more experienced will know by the symptons what my next step should be . > ONCE AGAIN! I REALLY! AND I MEAN REALLY APPRECIATE!! YOUR KIND HELP! > to help me fix this machine! I think together with your help we will > get this honey fixed! like new! > > With Best Regards! > Ali > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 00:16:35 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 15:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL AUTO CAL TEST DONE BALA HELP! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060924221635.82429.qmail@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Ali, You have to set the test tone switch to off position. The computer will record a series of tones. Ok I didn't see you mentioning the cal button. Did you press the Cal and Run buttons together when you hit play? Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Bala, I did what you told me to with a brand blank tape i.e. placed the machine in record/pause mode and while holding the run button down of the auto cal the and hitting the record button the machine went in the record mode but nothing else happened, the button on the left side of the RUN button and the RUN button stayed lit all the time no deflection of the vu meters no flashing on the auto cal display unit on the top. Then I tried the sam procedure with a recorded TDK SA 90 tape this time the button next to the RUN botton started flashing stop flashing after few seconds then again started flashing the second time and then stopped for a breif time and then again started flashing the third time this time it just keep on flashing and would not stop all the time the machine was in record mode with the reels moving in both the tests above. And in both the cases the auto calibration display did not flash at all! only the blue lighted button next to the RUN button. And try to see if the 400 hz test tone was there I was suprised to see yes it was working very well at with the level at a correct 0 db as shown by the vu meters than all of sudden it was gone! i.e. the test tone! So this is the situation as of now! I wait your kind further instruction. AS ALWAYS MANY MANY THANKS FOR YOUR KIND HELP! WHICH IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY ME!! YOU ARE A GENIUS! With Best Regards! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 00:22:05 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 15:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] question for Bala, ESL re: 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <0A162E0B-8939-4200-8F8E-404BC7473340@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060924222205.47182.qmail@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, You got it absolutely right therre - it gets the computer to stand still while we troubleshoot. The least troublesome thing, I found out, is the processor itself. I fixed a few non-Nak decks over the past few months and they all used the same processor. Turns out, the processor is good. It seems to be a favourite among designers during the late 70s and early 80s period. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh 79Labs "Kimo B.Yap" wrote: I think my tech flashed it to me pointing out it was a reason not too many places would be able to calibrate it properly. It actually looked like the hardest thing to obtiain was the connectors. The rest was just fairly mundane things (available CMOS logic gatest & a lot of switches). It would be tedious to do so, and I would of course be worried about doing something wrong, but it didn't look difficult for soneone who knew how to do might (more likely you than me). Note that the 700zxl one is different, but somewhat less complicated. If the amount of adjustment is small and and in some of the circuits, or just for basic diagnostics, I have noticed one useful piece of information in the past. Even though it mutes things at the output jacks during the autocal procedure, it does not do so at the external NR out jacks (where you'd normally connect the Dolby-C unit, although anything can be connected--like a T-100). If the autocal isn't completely hosed, and it makes some of the sequence, you can see the computer sequence through things. You need the box if you need the computer to stand still so you can adjust the level of the oscillator plus the D/A conversion of things, but you can see if it's at least close and to some degree see what it's doing (in conjunction with the flow chart).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have an unusual question for everyone. What is the best use for these grand old decks? I don't see any point in making a cassette tape of a CD when I could just as easily make a CD copy with no generation loss. My personal best use is to make recordings of vinyl LP's so you don't have to clean the record after 20 minutes of play. Or if you were to make live recordings of a musical performance. What about recording from radio? Is the fidelity of FM stereo good enough to demand the capabilities of a good NAK? I can certainly see the benefit of using a 680ZX at half speed for this (I own two and am bidding on a third). Finally, my real question is if there are any audiophile grade pre-recorded music for sale in cassette format? Are there any record labels who cater to this, or were there? I have probably bought all of two pre-recorded albums in my life due to the belief that pretty much all music sold in cassette form were mass-produced, hi speed, low quality recordings put on sub-standard tape stock. Am I wrong on this one? I'm really curious as to the responses I get from this one. I've only been on NAKTALK a short time now but am learning a lot about restoring and appreciating these fine machines. A special thanks go out to Tom Brucker, Kimo, Bala, Luis and all the others who I see quite frequently on this forum, educating newbies like me. Thanks again! Sincerely, Dan Barham Chicago, IL, USA ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckereszturi at quickclic.net Mon Sep 25 05:51:18 2006 From: ckereszturi at quickclic.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Csaba_&_Ildik=F3?=) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:51:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 issue Message-ID: <006601c6e055$db6aa840$8505d2cf@kcsmcv2jcuzbg2> I have a Nakamichi DR-10, bought it new 5 years ago, and used it really rarely. I didnt use it for the last 2 years, now I tried to play something, the right channel is as supposed, but the signal in the left is really low, but clean. Also the led-meter is showing the low signal, so it is definitely coming from the head, not from elsewhere, preamplification or else. Have anybody had similar problems or any suggestions at all? Thanks, Csaba /Canada/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Sep 25 09:34:05 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:34:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Source material Message-ID: <4BE0B9E0-183D-407D-AC68-5DC5964F97CC@alumni.caltech.edu> FM depends on your station (and, if you're in the US, apparently how well HD-Radio is doing, which isn't all that great in LA--for the uninitiated, this is basically a way to cram more stuff digitally in the same frequency space-- sounds like a good idea; has some implementation issues). I gather from Bala FM in Singapore is pretty bad. I do find the 680zx good for that at half-speed. I use it a lot for record dubs as you mention. I have an open-reel as well and have used that, but that is more for live stuff (when I used to do it). I've also dubbed some of the live stuff. To me, except for a backup, I can't see doing cassettes live at a remote site, mainly due to tape length considerations. An auto-reverse R2R with 10.5 reels does much better for not missing something (talking acoustic classical here). As far as pre-recorded, I did recently buy one of the Nakamichi Reference Series on ebay and it was pretty good. However, I went for the Telarc 1812, which is a digital recording anyway and you can get it on CD (although the only other format I have it in is vinyl).-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Sep 25 09:54:36 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:54:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FURTHER OBSERVATION OF THE 1000ZXL PROBLEMS. PLEASE HELP KBY! Message-ID: <65B0253E-BC28-4A77-B6D7-7D4D992121FE@alumni.caltech.edu> First, my expertise is quite limited. I can tell you pretty much how it's supposed to work. I can give you a few hints on specific things, but you're not at the point where I think that's relevant. I can also give you some general ideas in terms of what things to try (the "logical" thing to check given specific circumstances). I can't give you good electronics or schematics advice as I'm not very good at it. You really need Bala's expertise (and it looks like he is back). That said, I partially agree with Luis that you need to get basic record and playback working before even think about dealing with the ABLE stuff. That should be just the icing on the cake. If the deck won't record and playback tapes (especially playback) tapes cleanly, you've got no chance of getting the ABLE to work, period, and even if you did have the equipment to adjust that, you'd end up mis-adjusting it if you didn't get the other stuff done first. If you look at the service manual you notice it does things in a very specific order. A few items can be swapped or skipped if you know what you're doing, but for the most part there is a lot of reason to the madness. They get playback levels working first, then basic recording, then the fancy stuff. As far as replacing all the orange caps en masse, I'm not so sure I agree. There probably are some bad. They will have to be replaced. But there's also a chance that things next to them went bad as well (e.g. Kannan's thing about the bias oscillator), and I think in terms of keeping track of what you are doing, working on one thing at a time is best. Some en masse things, like cleaning the switches, I think is good. When it gets to replacing components, I'm less in favor of it unless it's either absolutely necessary or you're doing it AFTER everything is mostly fixed as a preventative thing. Just my way of addressing things, and relates to my skill levels. I'm more likely to do harm than good, I've found, but doing en masse replacements. If you use a pre-recorded tape and it makes the auto-azimuth light blink when you try the autocal or auto azimuth adjust, that is more likely to mean the tape isn't getting erased. But you also said the test tones were on it, so that doesn't quite make sense, and if that is the case it shouldn't be any different than using a blank tape. My order would be to get playback at least mostly clean (say a 400hz tone recorded on another machine). Level should be at least "close". Then get the 400 Hz oscillator to work OR feed in one from outside and hope line-in works. Get recording that to be clean--at least on one type of tape. Level might be off some; that's OK, but it should be mostly clean,. If you have a scope and want to check PS ripple, fine; that's easy and non-destructive, I'm going to go out on a limb and slightly contradict Bala by stating it doesn't matter what the 400hz switch is on when you do autocal (azimuth or full run)--the deck ignores the switch during the test, Other than that, do what Bala says and be patient. There's a lot of features and it's a big deck; it will take some time to get all of them working. Trying to do them all at once will only confuse things.=kby From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Sep 25 11:40:58 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:40:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Source material Message-ID: Hi Dan, Not only a good question - but a lot of good questions. I listen to quite a bit of live music, so the 90+dB dynamic range of digital sources is, to my ears, absurd. To put it another way, no one hardwires their ears to a soundboard. Therefore, that sort of dynamic range, with the continous near instantaneous adaptation of the auditory sensory system to loud and soft sounds, the lossless transmission of base to peak amplitudes in digital playback is not anywhere close to a real performance experience. That's not to say it isn't fun though. And, it has after all, helped to sell digital formats with their low noise floors. As a consequence, the real dynamic range experience in a live closed venue is about 55-70dB (best). Outside, it's down again, perhaps to 45-50dB, depending on how far you are from performers and the speaker banks and who's yelling in your ear. Now, based on this, there is what you refer to as a "generational" loss when recording from CD to tape. Generational loss is primarily a loss by sequential generation of signal to noise ratio measured in the number of decibles that the noise floor is raised(bias noise etc). Depending on your recorder, there should be no loss, except of this dynamic range. The better the recorder, the tape, the NR and the recordist, the less the loss. It could be as high as 3dB from tape to tape - but it also could be negligible. Also bear in mind that there is a valid scientific theory, propounded by David Berriman, amongst others, that odd-order (masking not harmonic) distortion which is an unavoidable side-effect of digital to analogue conversion and digital filtering is itself filtered by analogue devices, including op amps. Is he right? Haven't the foggiest, but I will say this - music recorded from CD to a top class dual cap recorder, preferably a Nakamichi, will sound cleaner, clearer and more detailed - particualrly in the mid-range - where the human ear is most sensitive and where the masking effect of odd-order distortion is most insidious. Even on other recorders, where arguably, EQ is manupulated less, this remains a fact. So, the short version: music will sound better and more realistic when re-recorded to tape. Of course, you can also make a compilation tape of your own favourite tracks. My friends ask me for copies of my compilation tapes - I oblige them with CD copies - herein lies the benefit (for me) of a CD recorder - my trusty Philips CD-R765. It's cheaper, it makes them happy and it dovetails neatly with their high-tech lifestyles. I could always "higher" the tech and give it to them compressed to the max (12x) on MP3 and funnel it into their iPod!! However, Dan, you've hit the nail on the head - the best use of analogue recording formats must surely be preserving the analogue chain - from LP through to tape. Vinyl demands meticulous habits and, if the whole dynamic range thing is too tiresome, then at least this approach has the advantage of being practical. Saving time on cleaning, keeping wear of the mother recording (and the precious cartridge and stylus) as low as possible - all can be achieved with recording vinyl. What turntable set-up are you using? Do you use a record cleaning machine? Live recording? I have done some SB recording with friends using any of the following: Nakamichi ZX-7, TASCAM 122/II and a Nakamichi LX-3. They use this setup for live performances and practices. I was a technical participant in this - I don't play an instrument myself. Recording from radio - so much of FM is severely compressed - pretty much wherever you are. Despite my complaint on this, I have recorded a lot over the years - always to tape. Either classic rock shows or live classical broadcasts - thesedays I use a TASCAM 112 onto Maxell XLII with Dolby C - I have used quite a bit of ordinary TDK D in the process too. I was very fortunate to have a fellow naktalker record some live classical broadcasts from the legendary BBC 3 - it was onto TDK MA via a selection of fine tuners, including a vintage Leak Troughline, a collectable vintage Sony and a high-end Sugden. The results were fantastic - our British friends sure are spoilt!! My tuners are normally either a Yamaha RX-V396 or a TEAC RV-30. In general, the cassette standard more or less approximates the FMII standard. However, the best of breed, including all Naks will exceed it - even considering the top (late eighties) tuners from Onkyo, Pioneer, ReVox, Audiolab, McIntosh, Luxman and Day Sequerra. That they should have a specialist installed and tuned multi-element antenna goes without saying. There are (or rather were) indeed audiophile cassettes. The best were recorded in real time and as I recall, they were recorded by a company in the US that used banks of Nakamichi ZX-9s to perform this function. Some labels were better than others. I played a tape yesterday - the pre-recorded tape from the show "For the Boys" featuring Bette Midler. The quality is extremely good, considering it is a type I tape probably done an a high-speed bin-loop duplicator. I'm sure than some of our naktalkers will be able to give you some info on the lables to hunt for. All these best in your recording endeavors and tell us about your analogue rig (and the music!!) - Cheers - Marc >>> danbarham at aol.com 9/25/2006 6:18:31 AM >>> Greetings all! I have an unusual question for everyone. What is the best use for these grand old decks? I don't see any point in making a cassette tape of a CD when I could just as easily make a CD copy with no generation loss. My personal best use is to make recordings of vinyl LP's so you don't have to clean the record after 20 minutes of play. Or if you were to make live recordings of a musical performance. What about recording from radio? Is the fidelity of FM stereo good enough to demand the capabilities of a good NAK? I can certainly see the benefit of using a 680ZX at half speed for this (I own two and am bidding on a third). Finally, my real question is if there are any audiophile grade pre-recorded music for sale in cassette format? Are there any record labels who cater to this, or were there? I have probably bought all of two pre-recorded albums in my life due to the belief that pretty much all music sold in cassette form were mass-produced, hi speed, low quality recordings pu! t on sub-standard tape stock. Am I wrong on this one? I'm really curious as to the responses I get from this one. I've only been on NAKTALK a short time now but am learning a lot about restoring and appreciating these fine machines. A special thanks go out to Tom Brucker, Kimo, Bala, Luis and all the others who I see quite frequently on this forum, educating newbies like me. Thanks again! Sincerely, Dan Barham Chicago, IL, USA ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Mon Sep 25 10:28:59 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:28:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E alignment screws Message-ID: <20060925082859.44981.qmail@web27410.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I'm showing my inexperience by asking this but, ah, I'm going to go for it anyway. It's looking pretty clear that (amongst other things) I'll need to make azimuth adjustments on my second BX-300E. I'm armed with jewelers screwdrivers and service manual and I'm looking at the little stops/levers that hold the screws in position. Logic tells me I have to lift these clear before I adjust the screws, but I guess it's possible to get a more "positive" movment and adjustment if the stop stays in place. Please could someone guide me in the right direction? Thanks! Chris From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Mon Sep 25 13:08:18 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:08:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Source material In-Reply-To: <200609250945.k8P9grWb015436@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060925110818.98672.qmail@web27414.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> What a great thread! The original questions and Marc's fantastic replies make me think of how my love affair with tape has progressed since the late 60's. It's a bit off-topic but I can still remember the magic of having a single-speaker cassette recorder with a built-in mic that you could speak or sing into and play it back and ask "ooh, do I really sound like that?". I was lucky, my Dad's a musician and always has indulged his passion for sound recording and hi-quality playback. I got to fool around in the 70's with his Revox B77 and some very good Shure mics to produce echo and reverse echo effects. Ah, brilliant. When I went to university, I used his battleship Technics cassette deck to tape my precious vinyl so I could have tunes while I studied late into the night. I flatter myself that these recordings were done with care - they certainly provided me with years of enjoyment. When I was a post-grad student in London, there was a wealth of good music on pirate FM stations which I recorded on a Hitachi beat-box and those tapes gave me enormous pleasure until I had enough money to buy the records, CD's or prerecorded tapes. Precorded tapes? Well, yes, my playback system was still a beat-box so I went for convenience and instant gratification. Once I had more money I bought my Dad's Harmon-Kardon receiver and his fabulous Technics turntable and invested in some lovely cassette decks, including a Sony TC-FX6C and a 3-head Aiwa. I'll cut a long story short - I've been dazzled by CD reproduction because the discs never seemed as delicate as vinyl and they sounded clear and punchy and you could repeat the same track for ever! Great if you practice an instrument - in my case electric bass. I sold ALL of my vinyl and my turntable and the CD collection took off. But, for recording long FM shows, tape still ruled and my old Aiwa AD-WX929 with its two auto-reverse recording decks has worked hard and I still own it. It's my BX-300E that really opened my eyes. I couldn't justify (to myself) the purchase of a Dragon but I wanted to see the Nakamichi logo in my hi-fi cabinet. I hear detail on even humble pre-recorded tapes that I didn't know was there and my own recordings are repaying the care I took in making them. I struggle with the idea that my tapes could sound "better" than CD but once you get past the maths and the measurements, most people react emotionally to how their music sounds. I bought an amplifier after extensive listening because it made me dance in the shop and the Nak is the same - basslines sound solid and I follow them easily. Jazz flute is joyous. There is so much "air" around the percussion that I still marvel at it after 6 months of ownership. Sorry for my self-indulgence: I'll end by saying that I'm clearly among like-minded people and if there was *ever* a possibility that I would join the "tape is dead" brigade, that possibility has now gone. Chris From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Sep 25 13:14:38 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 07:14:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist step?!! Message-ID: HI Bala, I have been told by two nice nakkers i.e. PL and kby to start in logical way to fix the problem with this deck and to this end the recommend first fixing the problem of playback and record WITHOUT! trying to fix the ABLE which they say will not work until the deck is recording and playbacking a tape correctly in both channel and without distrotion and also the problem of 400 hz tone generator has to be solved before we can even think of going to the ABLE problem. I have been told to replace the orange caps in the PB/Dolby board by one , and I am trying to understand if I these are the orange electrolytic capacitor with brand name SHOEI written on them?! as there are other sqaure looking capacitors that are orange too. Kby has told me not to replace the orange caps unless I am sure they are causing problem, this is confusing me! since the deck has crackling noise and serve distortion in the channel while it playbacking a tape the right channel is very erratic coming on and cutting out. The 400 hz tone test tone only works for breif time when auto cal is atttempted. Coming back to your question of ABLE. When I installed a brand new black Maxell XL II C-90 tape placed the deck in record/pause and while holding down the RUN button engaged the play button both blue light in the RUN and AZIMUTH button came on and stayed steady and the machine went in to record but nothing was recorded no flashing of the lights in the top AUTO CAL DISPLAY. If you can help me starting with the very beginning to solve the problem with the playback and record first and the 400 hz test tone( again a nice guy from hong kong told me that orange caps in the bottom of the two board on the top that are sandwiched together has orange caps where the test one generator is located they are shorting out causing the test tone to disappear and to replace them) I want your expert opinon on this too! SO HERE IS WHAT APPEARS TO BE WRONG WITH THIS MACHINE: BAD DISTORTION DURING PLAYBACK AND RECORD (2) ERRATIC 400 HZ TEST TONE, WHICH IS MOSTLY OFF THE BREIF TIME IT IS ON IT IS WORKS GREAT WITH CORRECT 0 DB INDICATION AND NO DISTORTION IN THE TEST TONE SOUND (3) ABLE NOT WORKING. THE THINGS THAT ARE WORKING: VU METERS, SIGNAL IS PASSING BEATUFIFULLY FROM THE LINE INPUTS WITHOUT ANY DISTORTION SO THE PRE-AMP SECTION IS WORKING GREAT~ , RAMM LIGHTS ARE WORKING, THE A, B, C LIGHT IN THE TAPE SETTING ARE NOT LIGHTING UP ONLY THE D SETTING IS LIGHTING UP THE BULBS IN ALL TAPE SETTING ARE OK . ALL THE BULBS IN THE TAPE DECK ARE OK! IN FACT THE MACHINE LOOKS LIKE NEW!! ALSO WHEN THE DOLBY IS SWITCHED OFF THE BLUE LIGHT BECOMES FAINT IN THE DOLBY SYMBOL IN THE DISPLAY AND DOES NOT ALTOGEHTER GOES OFF AS IT DOES IN EXT ON/OFF. THE TAPE TRANSPORT BUTTONS ARE WORKING GREAT. Please advice which orange caps I need to replace in PB/Dolby board which I think might be our first step , but again I will do whatever you recommend our first step should be. As usual many thanks and sorry for this long email and thanks for taking out time to help me from your busy schedule . With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 13:20:01 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:20:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 issue Message-ID: Hi, Try to clean very well all the tape path & degauss them, second move all the knobs forth & back at least 15 times...so if some dirt is there will be "Self-Clean", inform us what happen after this little cleaning &maintenance?. Good luck, Peace;ALEX! From: ckereszturi at quickclic.netTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:51:18 -0400Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 issue I have a Nakamichi DR-10, bought it new 5 years ago, and used it really rarely. I didnt use it for the last 2 years, now I tried to play something, the right channel is as supposed, but the signal in the left is really low, but clean. Also the led-meter is showing the low signal, so it is definitely coming from the head, not from elsewhere, preamplification or else. Have anybody had similar problems or any suggestions at all? 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BOEING747600 at aol.com escribió: > Please advice which orange caps I need to replace in PB/Dolby > board which I think might be our first step , but again I will do > whatever you recommend our first step should be. As usual many thanks > and sorry for this long email and thanks for taking out time to help me > from your busy schedule . From fugue4all at shaw.ca Mon Sep 25 14:05:04 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:05:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 40 Nak 500 Center channel Blend mic input question In-Reply-To: <200609242218.k8OMI1MD012802@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I scanned it for the group a couple of years ago--you can get it here: http://members.shaw.ca/fugue4all/misc/NakLive.pdf ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:45:23 +0200 From: Luis Peromarta Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 500 Center channel Blend mic input question To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4516FC73.9040506 at peromarta.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed 1000 and 550 - there may be others - also have 3 mics input. Nakamichi had this "Live recording System" brochure. I have an original, and I've seen pdf around there but I can't recall where. If there is the demand, I may be able to scan it and share it. Best rgds, LP. jerryjg escribis: > Just out of curiositry, has anyone used the center channel blend feature > with two other mics in a live recording? I would be interested to hear > about that. Maybe I jumped the gun on getting rid of the 500, although > they are common enough to come by on the Bay. Is the 500 the only unit > with center channel blend? Kermit would know this. By the way, anyone > have any news from Kermit the Grey? Its been a few months since he > posted anything and I know he had health issues, so I'm wondering how > he's doing. > > -- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Sep 25 14:55:26 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:55:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist step?!! Message-ID: <375.af0decb.32492bbe@aol.com> Hi Lp, can you supply the values of the orange caps that are not electrolytic as I have the values of the orange electrolytic caps I need the values of the others . my copy of service manual is almost unreadable! as the download was not very good. If only the electrolytic orange caps are the ones that you are talking about then and not the others then I think I will be ok. Please let me know! Many Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Sep 25 15:03:21 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:03:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Source material Message-ID: Hi Chris, Thanks for your kind words!! Great to read about your evolutionary process in music and gear. Do you still have the Harmon-Kardon Receiver? What does your set-up consist of now? Cheers - Marc >>> cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk 9/25/2006 1:08:18 PM >>> What a great thread! The original questions and Marc's fantastic replies make me think of how my love affair with tape has progressed since the late 60's. It's a bit off-topic but I can still remember the magic of having a single-speaker cassette recorder with a built-in mic that you could speak or sing into and play it back and ask "ooh, do I really sound like that?". I was lucky, my Dad's a musician and always has indulged his passion for sound recording and hi-quality playback. I got to fool around in the 70's with his Revox B77 and some very good Shure mics to produce echo and reverse echo effects. Ah, brilliant. When I went to university, I used his battleship Technics cassette deck to tape my precious vinyl so I could have tunes while I studied late into the night. I flatter myself that these recordings were done with care - they certainly provided me with years of enjoyment. When I was a post-grad student in London, there was a wealth of good music on pirate FM stations which I recorded on a Hitachi beat-box and those tapes gave me enormous pleasure until I had enough money to buy the records, CD's or prerecorded tapes. Precorded tapes? Well, yes, my playback system was still a beat-box so I went for convenience and instant gratification. Once I had more money I bought my Dad's Harmon-Kardon receiver and his fabulous Technics turntable and invested in some lovely cassette decks, including a Sony TC-FX6C and a 3-head Aiwa. I'll cut a long story short - I've been dazzled by CD reproduction because the discs never seemed as delicate as vinyl and they sounded clear and punchy and you could repeat the same track for ever! Great if you practice an instrument - in my case electric bass. I sold ALL of my vinyl and my turntable and the CD collection took off. But, for recording long FM shows, tape still ruled and my old Aiwa AD-WX929 with its two auto-reverse recording decks has worked hard and I still own it. It's my BX-300E that really opened my eyes. I couldn't justify (to myself) the purchase of a Dragon but I wanted to see the Nakamichi logo in my hi-fi cabinet. I hear detail on even humble pre-recorded tapes that I didn't know was there and my own recordings are repaying the care I took in making them. I struggle with the idea that my tapes could sound "better" than CD but once you get past the maths and the measurements, most people react emotionally to how their music sounds. I bought an amplifier after extensive listening because it made me dance in the shop and the Nak is the same - basslines sound solid and I follow them easily. Jazz flute is joyous. There is so much "air" around the percussion that I still marvel at it after 6 months of ownership. Sorry for my self-indulgence: I'll end by saying that I'm clearly among like-minded people and if there was *ever* a possibility that I would join the "tape is dead" brigade, that possibility has now gone. Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From luis at peromarta.org Mon Sep 25 16:27:57 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:27:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist step?!! In-Reply-To: <375.af0decb.32492bbe@aol.com> References: <375.af0decb.32492bbe@aol.com> Message-ID: <4517E76D.4000508@peromarta.org> Ali, Orange caps are not electrolytic, they are metalized polypropylene. Other plastic film caps may be used. More on this on Scott's site here: http://us.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Orange%20Cap%20Disease From my service manual, you need c104 & 204 5600p, c109 & c209 2200p, c112 & c212 680p, c117 & c217 0.022u, c120 & c220 0,033u, c121 & c221 4700p, all 100V. (Please doublecheck all references. Don't blame me for any errors here) Once you are at it, you may want to upgrade IC301 from 4559 to OP27 or the cheapo 5532. You then need to adjust vr201 and vr101 to get 0V offset at outputs of IC301. You most probaly will get clean playback afterwards. Let me know, Luis Peromarta. BOEING747600 at aol.com escribió: > Hi Lp, can you supply the values of the orange caps that are not > electrolytic as I have the values of the orange electrolytic caps I > need the values of the others . my copy of service manual is almost > unreadable! as the download was not very good. If only the > electrolytic orange caps are the ones that you are talking about then > and not the others then I think I will be ok. Please let me know! > > Many Thanks! > > Ali > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Sep 25 18:22:36 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:22:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist step?!! Message-ID: <3FED63A4-58A8-4214-AA92-A7740FF73160@alumni.caltech.edu> I better clarify myself before Bala hits me over the head :-). First, the orange caps Luis is talking about are not electrolytics. They're the polypropylene caps. Look here: [Oops. both links to Kannan's and Doan's page on Scott Johnson's page here http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html are broken. Scott?] Small, pillow-shaped, and about .5-.75 in square. But this is the kind of thing I think is dangerous to embark on en masse if you don't know exactly what you're looking for. That said, I don't object to, say, replace the few on the right channel playback board to see if that improves--then move on to the left channel if it needs it. That's a lot different than going through the whole deck and replacing anything that looks orange.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Sep 25 18:39:05 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:39:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist step?!! Message-ID: <40A9FE52-36A3-4323-BF4F-24B67CB4F455@alumni.caltech.edu> Oh, and despite the fact that I had one bad orange cap on the playback board on one machine, my problem with the oscillator ended up being a defective thermally sensitive transistor, not an orange cap, so despite the reality that they are the causes of many things, they aren't ALWAYS the problem. And, yes, I did try the caps first. But it was Bala that led me through the necessary checks to figure out the transistor (and more trial and error than he would have needed). The other reason I was conservative about what gets replaced is that the problems I was experiencing were intermittent things that got missed when the deck had recently been gone over pretty thoroughly (taking it from not working to 99% working), so it had been set to factory specs (by the guy using the switch box), and I didn't want to throw things off from that unless it couldn't be helped in order to fix the issue. Again, from what you say about crackling on the right channel and having done the switches and contacts, C204 (which I think is the orange one) is a likely candidate, or some of the others. But that's a far cry from doing everything in the deck AT THIS POINT, which is more of the blunderbust technique. Incidentally, the orange cap that I mentioned there was the only orange cap on that deck that looks like has been/gotten replaced, at least by my tech or myself--I say that because he did some work on other decks and did replace them there, and I know they weren't with caps that looked the same (i.e. orange), so even after a lot of years but light use not many are NECESSARILY bad. YMMV.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Sep 25 19:20:59 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:20:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 4039 source anyone? Message-ID: <15403EDB-EDA8-4E89-9BBE-AC9BA1035735@alumni.caltech.edu> Hi, I'm looking for the MSM4039RS CMOS chip; I would guess the CD4039 would suffice (and might be slightly more common). It's a 4x8 SRAM chip, but doesn't seem to be readily available. There are a number of places that will let you do an RFQ but seem like they're more of interest if you're looking for 1000s or a stream. I'm interested in quantity 1-10. Cricklewood Electronics in the UK might show up on google if you look, but they said they're page is out of date (they haven't had it since 1984--that's older than the page!). And, yes, this is Nak-related. The chip is used in the 1000zxl and 700zxl machines. I have also looked on the web sites of Newark, Digikey, and MCMinOne to no avail.-kby From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 25 17:34:39 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Source material In-Reply-To: <8C8AE70CB2143B5-DE0-BA2@MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20060925153439.66922.qmail@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan, I agree with you about the CD's. What I often use my Naks for is recording off the air (FM) to transfer songs to my PC to eventually have them on CD. FM broadcasts are "compressed" Loud passages are clipped otherwise the transmission will go out of the transmissions passband. I can't remember what the width of an FM stereo broadcast passband is. Someone here will know. Example color TV is 6 MHz. So recording off a CD will sound better than recording off FM, but like I do, you get the best recording off the air possible with a Nak. Bob danbarham at aol.com wrote: Greetings all! I have an unusual question for everyone. What is the best use for these grand old decks? I don't see any point in making a cassette tape of a CD when I could just as easily make a CD copy with no generation loss. My personal best use is to make recordings of vinyl LP's so you don't have to clean the record after 20 minutes of play. Or if you were to make live recordings of a musical performance. What about recording from radio? Is the fidelity of FM stereo good enough to demand the capabilities of a good NAK? I can certainly see the benefit of using a 680ZX at half speed for this (I own two and am bidding on a third). Finally, my real question is if there are any audiophile grade pre-recorded music for sale in cassette format? Are there any record labels who cater to this, or were there? I have probably bought all of two pre-recorded albums in my life due to the belief that pretty much all music sold in cassette form were mass-produced, hi sp! eed, low quality recordings put on sub-standard tape stock. Am I wrong on this one? I'm really curious as to the responses I get from this one. I've only been on NAKTALK a short time now but am learning a lot about restoring and appreciating these fine machines. A special thanks go out to Tom Brucker, Kimo, Bala, Luis and all the others who I see quite frequently on this forum, educating newbies like me. Thanks again! Sincerely, Dan Barham Chicago, IL, USA --------------------------------- Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Mon Sep 25 21:47:11 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:47:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 4039 source anyone? In-Reply-To: <15403EDB-EDA8-4E89-9BBE-AC9BA1035735@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: http://www.elektronikkomponent.se/c.html Seems to have it If you need help with language and translation etc, send me a mail off-list With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 7:21 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 4039 source anyone? > > Hi, > > I'm looking for the MSM4039RS CMOS chip; I would guess the > CD4039 would suffice (and might be slightly more common). > It's a 4x8 SRAM chip, but doesn't seem to be readily > available. There are a number of places that will let you do > an RFQ but seem like they're more of interest if you're > looking for 1000s or a stream. I'm interested in quantity > 1-10. Cricklewood Electronics in the UK might show up on > google if you look, but they said they're page is out of date > (they haven't had it since 1984--that's older than the page!). > And, yes, this is Nak-related. The chip is used in the > 1000zxl and 700zxl machines. > > I have also looked on the web sites of Newark, Digikey, and > MCMinOne to no avail.-kby > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Sep 25 22:09:06 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:09:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 4039 source anyone? Message-ID: <902CBE1B-1E0B-4FB2-9B44-0C8374AB0485@alumni.caltech.edu> Thanks! I'll e-mail them in English and see what happens; if I need translation I'll take advantage of your kind offer.-kby From flifton at mac.com Mon Sep 25 22:30:14 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:30:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit blend In-Reply-To: <200609242217.k8OMH6dJ012775@zxe.naks.com> References: <200609242217.k8OMH6dJ012775@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <94291B68-AB2F-4D8F-9707-BC84E0725341@mac.com> Hi Jerry, Kermit is fine, he's just temporarily discontinued his involvement with Naktalk while he works on getting his business up and running. I haven't used the center channel blend on a Nak, but I have fooled around making recordings using a 3-mic bird-foot array and a mixer. For the center mic/channel a little goes a long way. Turn it up too much and it makes the stereo image mushy. But just a little of it seems to make the mix fuller and richer. It's very cool that Nak included it on those early decks. cheers, Fred On Sep 24, 2006, at 3:17 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: jerryjg > Date: September 24, 2006 12:53:04 PM PDT > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500 Center channel Blend mic input question > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Just out of curiositry, has anyone used the center channel blend > feature with two other mics in a live recording? I would be > interested to hear about that. Maybe I jumped the gun on getting > rid of the 500, although they are common enough to come by on the > Bay. Is the 500 the only unit with center channel blend? Kermit > would know this. By the way, anyone have any news from Kermit the > Grey? Its been a few months since he posted anything and I know he > had health issues, so I'm wondering how he's doing. > > -- > > > Just out of curiositry, has anyone used the center channel blend > feature with two other mics in a live recording? I would be > interested to hear about that. Maybe I jumped the gun on getting > rid of the 500, although they are common enough to come by on the > Bay. Is the 500 the only unit with center channel blend? Kermit > would know this. By the way, anyone have any news from Kermit the > Grey? Its been a few months since he posted anything and I know he > had health issues, so I'm wondering how he's doing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Sep 25 22:59:55 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Kermit blend In-Reply-To: <94291B68-AB2F-4D8F-9707-BC84E0725341@mac.com> Message-ID: <20060925205955.6717.qmail@web36211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kermit? Been talking with him since almost 3 weeks by e-mail. I won't get in too much details, but he's making a replica of one of the first stereo systems made that he had a chance to listen to in the '70s, telling that the sound was undistinguishable with the source(And that it cost > a million to build). He's currently working on the microphone amp, trying to know what is the so special thing with that thing. Fred Lifton a écrit : Hi Jerry,Kermit is fine, he's just temporarily discontinued his involvement with Naktalk while he works on getting his business up and running. I haven't used the center channel blend on a Nak, but I have fooled around making recordings using a 3-mic bird-foot array and a mixer. For the center mic/channel a little goes a long way. Turn it up too much and it makes the stereo image mushy. But just a little of it seems to make the mix fuller and richer. It's very cool that Nak included it on those early decks. cheers, Fred On Sep 24, 2006, at 3:17 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: jerryjg Date: September 24, 2006 12:53:04 PM PDT To: "naktalk at naks.com" Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500 Center channel Blend mic input question Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Just out of curiositry, has anyone used the center channel blend feature with two other mics in a live recording? I would be interested to hear about that. Maybe I jumped the gun on getting rid of the 500, although they are common enough to come by on the Bay. Is the 500 the only unit with center channel blend? Kermit would know this. By the way, anyone have any news from Kermit the Grey? Its been a few months since he posted anything and I know he had health issues, so I'm wondering how he's doing. -- Just out of curiositry, has anyone used the center channel blend feature with two other mics in a live recording? I would be interested to hear about that. Maybe I jumped the gun on getting rid of the 500, although they are common enough to come by on the Bay. Is the 500 the only unit with center channel blend? Kermit would know this. By the way, anyone have any news from Kermit the Grey? Its been a few months since he posted anything and I know he had health issues, so I'm wondering how he's doing. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 23:44:25 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist step?!! In-Reply-To: <3FED63A4-58A8-4214-AA92-A7740FF73160@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20060925214425.81987.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, I'm not hosting those pages so I have no idea what happened to them. You are right, neither link works anymore, I know they used to. I'll add a note saying they might be dead links, but, I'll leave them there in case they come back. Scott --- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > I better clarify myself before Bala hits me over the head :-). > > First, the orange caps Luis is talking about are not electrolytics. > > They're the polypropylene caps. Look here: > > [Oops. both links to Kannan's and Doan's page on Scott Johnson's > page > here http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html are > broken. Scott?] > > Small, pillow-shaped, and about .5-.75 in square. But this is the > kind of thing I think is dangerous to embark on en masse if you > don't > know exactly > what you're looking for. > > That said, I don't object to, say, replace the few on the right > channel playback board to see if that improves--then move on to the > > left channel if it needs it. > That's a lot different than going through the whole deck and > replacing anything that looks orange.-kby> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Mon Sep 25 20:03:38 2006 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:03:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 41: Dan barham etc References: <200609250945.k8P9grWb015436@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <006d01c6e0cc$edb12e80$3b849ed9@f9w2m0> Hi- The very best in audio is a recording off FM radio, ideally onto a good reel to reel or a top Nak - Zx, CR, Dragon etc. It beats most vinyl hands down and CD - do me a favour! Its why I have a ZX7 and Bx300(in my second system). I recorded Paul Simon lve off BBC radio 2 - its the best thing I could play you to demonstrate why analogue is king. Thanks by the way to Kermit, Ron, Tom (and Alex) and the rest for keeping the flag flying. John Chapman ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 43, Issue 41 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL AUTO CAL TEST DONE BALA HELP! > (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 2. Re: question for Bala, ESL re: 1000ZXL (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 3. ANY NEWS ABOUT DEAR KERMIT?! WAS SO GENEROUS!! > (BOEING747600 at aol.com) > 4. Source material (danbarham at aol.com) > 5. DR-10 issue (Csaba & Ildik?) > 6. Source material (Kimo B. Yap) > 7. FURTHER OBSERVATION OF THE 1000ZXL PROBLEMS. PLEASE HELP KBY! > (Kimo B. Yap) > 8. Re: Source material (Marc Hugo) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 15:16:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL AUTO CAL TEST DONE BALA > HELP! > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20060924221635.82429.qmail at web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Ali, > > You have to set the test tone switch to off position. The computer will record a series of tones. Ok I didn't see you mentioning the cal button. Did you press the Cal and Run buttons together when you hit play? > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Bala, I did what you told me to with a brand blank tape i.e. placed the machine in record/pause mode and while holding the run button down of the auto cal the and hitting the record button the machine went in the record mode but nothing else happened, the button on the left side of the RUN button and the RUN button stayed lit all the time no deflection of the vu meters no flashing on the auto cal display unit on the top. > > Then I tried the sam procedure with a recorded TDK SA 90 tape this time the button next to the RUN botton started flashing stop flashing after few seconds then again started flashing the second time and then stopped for a breif time and then again started flashing the third time this time it just keep on flashing and would not stop all the time the machine was in record mode with the reels moving in both the tests above. And in both the cases the auto calibration display did not flash at all! only the blue lighted button next to the RUN button. And try to see if the 400 hz test tone was there I was suprised to see yes it was working very well at with the level at a correct 0 db as shown by the vu meters than all of sudden it was gone! i.e. the test tone! So this is the situation as of now! > > I wait your kind further instruction. AS ALWAYS MANY MANY THANKS FOR YOUR KIND HELP! WHICH IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY ME!! YOU ARE A GENIUS! > > With Best Regards! > Ali > Sikander Ali > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060924/05ae109d/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 15:22:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] question for Bala, ESL re: 1000ZXL > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20060924222205.47182.qmail at web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Kimo, > > You got it absolutely right therre - it gets the computer to stand still while we troubleshoot. The least troublesome thing, I found out, is the processor itself. I fixed a few non-Nak decks over the past few months and they all used the same processor. Turns out, the processor is good. It seems to be a favourite among designers during the late 70s and early 80s period. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > 79Labs > > "Kimo B.Yap" wrote: I think my tech flashed it to me pointing out it was a reason not too > many places would be able to calibrate it properly. > > It actually looked like the hardest thing to obtiain was the > connectors. The rest was just fairly mundane things (available CMOS > logic gatest & a lot of switches). It would be tedious to > do so, and I would of course be worried about doing something wrong, > but it didn't look difficult for soneone who knew how to do might > (more likely you than me). > > Note that the 700zxl one is different, but somewhat less complicated. > > If the amount of adjustment is small and and in some of the circuits, > or just for basic diagnostics, I have noticed one useful piece of > information in the past. > Even though it mutes things at the output jacks during the autocal > procedure, it does not do so at the external NR out jacks (where > you'd normally connect the > Dolby-C unit, although anything can be connected--like a T-100). If > the autocal isn't completely hosed, and it makes some of the > sequence, you can see the > computer sequence through things. You need the box if you need the > computer to stand still so you can adjust the level of the oscillator > plus the D/A conversion of things, > but you can see if it's at least close and to some degree see what > it's doing (in conjunction with the flow chart).-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060924/590c3b1d/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:40:19 EDT > From: BOEING747600 at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] ANY NEWS ABOUT DEAR KERMIT?! WAS SO GENEROUS!! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > YES PLS LET ME KNOW ABOUT KERMIT TOO !! I THINK HE IS A GREAT GUY! > > HE SENT ME HIS STUDER REVOX HI-END CD PLAYER WHICH I JUST LOVE IT!! LAST I > HEARD HE SAID HE WONT BE ON HERE BECAUSE HE WAS MOVING TO A NEW HOUSE AND WILL > BE BUSY. I NEVER KNEW HE HAD HEALTH PROBLEMS HOPE HE IS DOING FINE. AND ANYONE > THAT IS IN CONTACT WITH HIM, TELL HIM ALI WAS SAYING HI! AND HOPE TO SEE > HIM BACK SOON!:) > > THANKS! > > ALI > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060924/0a7a6cdd/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:18:31 -0400 > From: danbarham at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] Source material > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8C8AE70CB2143B5-DE0-BA2 at MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Greetings all! > > I have an unusual question for everyone. What is the best use for these grand old decks? I don't see any point in making a cassette tape of a CD when I could just as easily make a CD copy with no generation loss. My personal best use is to make recordings of vinyl LP's so you don't have to clean the record after 20 minutes of play. Or if you were to make live recordings of a musical performance. What about recording from radio? Is the fidelity of FM stereo good enough to demand the capabilities of a good NAK? I can certainly see the benefit of using a 680ZX at half speed for this (I own two and am bidding on a third). Finally, my real question is if there are any audiophile grade pre-recorded music for sale in cassette format? Are there any record labels who cater to this, or were there? I have probably bought all of two pre-recorded albums in my life due to the belief that pretty much all music sold in cassette form were mass-produced, hi speed, low quality recordings pu! > t on sub-standard tape stock. Am I wrong on this one? I'm really curious as to the responses I get from this one. I've only been on NAKTALK a short time now but am learning a lot about restoring and appreciating these fine machines. A special thanks go out to Tom Brucker, Kimo, Bala, Luis and all the others who I see quite frequently on this forum, educating newbies like me. Thanks again! > > Sincerely, > Dan Barham > Chicago, IL, USA > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060925/dd3fd2e2/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:51:18 -0400 > From: Csaba & Ildik? > Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 issue > To: > Message-ID: <006601c6e055$db6aa840$8505d2cf at kcsmcv2jcuzbg2> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have a Nakamichi DR-10, bought it new 5 years ago, and used it really rarely. > I didnt use it for the last 2 years, now I tried to play something, the right channel is as supposed, but the signal in the left is really low, but clean. > Also the led-meter is showing the low signal, so it is definitely coming from the head, not from elsewhere, preamplification or else. > Have anybody had similar problems or any suggestions at all? > > Thanks, > Csaba /Canada/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060924/35fa1dea/at tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:34:05 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] Source material > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <4BE0B9E0-183D-407D-AC68-5DC5964F97CC at alumni.caltech.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > FM depends on your station (and, if you're in the US, apparently how > well HD-Radio is doing, which isn't all that great in LA--for the > uninitiated, this is basically > a way to cram more stuff digitally in the same frequency space-- > sounds like a good idea; has some implementation issues). I gather > from Bala FM in Singapore is > pretty bad. I do find the 680zx good for that at half-speed. > > I use it a lot for record dubs as you mention. I have an open-reel as > well and have used that, but that is more for live stuff (when I used > to do it). I've also dubbed some > of the live stuff. To me, except for a backup, I can't see doing > cassettes live at a remote site, mainly due to tape length > considerations. An auto-reverse R2R with 10.5 reels > does much better for not missing something (talking acoustic > classical here). > > As far as pre-recorded, I did recently buy one of the Nakamichi > Reference Series on ebay and it was pretty good. However, I went for > the Telarc 1812, which is a digital > recording anyway and you can get it on CD (although the only other > format I have it in is vinyl).-kby > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:54:36 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] FURTHER OBSERVATION OF THE 1000ZXL PROBLEMS. PLEASE > HELP KBY! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <65B0253E-BC28-4A77-B6D7-7D4D992121FE at alumni.caltech.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > First, my expertise is quite limited. I can tell you pretty much how > it's supposed to work. I can give you a few hints on specific things, > but > you're not at the point where I think that's relevant. I can also > give you some general ideas in terms of what things to try (the > "logical" thing to check > given specific circumstances). I can't give you good electronics or > schematics advice as I'm not very good at it. You really need Bala's > expertise (and > it looks like he is back). > > That said, I partially agree with Luis that you need to get basic > record and playback working before even think about dealing with the > ABLE stuff. That should > be just the icing on the cake. If the deck won't record and playback > tapes (especially playback) tapes cleanly, you've got no chance of > getting the ABLE to work, > period, and even if you did have the equipment to adjust that, you'd > end up mis-adjusting it if you didn't get the other stuff done first. > If you look at the service > manual you notice it does things in a very specific order. A few > items can be swapped or skipped if you know what you're doing, but > for the most part there > is a lot of reason to the madness. They get playback levels working > first, then basic recording, then the fancy stuff. > > As far as replacing all the orange caps en masse, I'm not so sure I > agree. There probably are some bad. They will have to be replaced. > But there's also a chance that things > next to them went bad as well (e.g. Kannan's thing about the bias > oscillator), and I think in terms of keeping track of what you are > doing, working on one thing > at a time is best. Some en masse things, like cleaning the switches, > I think is good. When it gets to replacing components, I'm less in > favor of it unless it's either absolutely > necessary or you're doing it AFTER everything is mostly fixed as a > preventative thing. Just my way of addressing things, and relates to > my skill levels. I'm more likely to do harm > than good, I've found, but doing en masse replacements. > > If you use a pre-recorded tape and it makes the auto-azimuth light > blink when you try the autocal or auto azimuth adjust, that is more > likely to mean the tape isn't getting > erased. But you also said the test tones were on it, so that doesn't > quite make sense, and if that is the case it shouldn't be any > different than using a blank tape. > > My order would be to get playback at least mostly clean (say a 400hz > tone recorded on another machine). Level should be at least "close". > > Then get the 400 Hz oscillator to work OR feed in one from outside > and hope line-in works. Get recording that to be clean--at least on > one type of tape. Level might be off some; that's OK, but it should > be mostly clean,. > > If you have a scope and want to check PS ripple, fine; that's easy > and non-destructive, > > I'm going to go out on a limb and slightly contradict Bala by stating > it doesn't matter what the 400hz switch is on when you do autocal > (azimuth or full run)--the deck ignores the switch during the test, > Other than that, do what Bala says and be patient. There's a lot of > features and it's a big deck; it will take some time to get all of > them working. Trying to do them all at once will only confuse > things.=kby > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:40:58 +0200 > From: "Marc Hugo" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Source material > To: , > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > Hi Dan, > > Not only a good question - but a lot of good questions. > > I listen to quite a bit of live music, so the 90+dB dynamic range of digital sources is, to my ears, absurd. To put it another way, no one hardwires their ears to a soundboard. Therefore, that sort of dynamic range, with the continous near instantaneous adaptation of the auditory sensory system to loud and soft sounds, the lossless transmission of base to peak amplitudes in digital playback is not anywhere close to a real performance experience. That's not to say it isn't fun though. And, it has after all, helped to sell digital formats with their low noise floors. As a consequence, the real dynamic range experience in a live closed venue is about 55-70dB (best). Outside, it's down again, perhaps to 45-50dB, depending on how far you are from performers and the speaker banks and who's yelling in your ear. Now, based on this, there is what you refer to as a "generational" loss when recording from CD to tape. Generational loss is primarily a loss by sequential generatio! > n of signal to noise ratio measured in the number of decibles that the noise floor is raised(bias noise etc). Depending on your recorder, there should be no loss, except of this dynamic range. The better the recorder, the tape, the NR and the recordist, the less the loss. It could be as high as 3dB from tape to tape - but it also could be negligible. > > Also bear in mind that there is a valid scientific theory, propounded by David Berriman, amongst others, that odd-order (masking not harmonic) distortion which is an unavoidable side-effect of digital to analogue conversion and digital filtering is itself filtered by analogue devices, including op amps. Is he right? Haven't the foggiest, but I will say this - music recorded from CD to a top class dual cap recorder, preferably a Nakamichi, will sound cleaner, clearer and more detailed - particualrly in the mid-range - where the human ear is most sensitive and where the masking effect of odd-order distortion is most insidious. Even on other recorders, where arguably, EQ is manupulated less, this remains a fact. > > So, the short version: music will sound better and more realistic when re-recorded to tape. Of course, you can also make a compilation tape of your own favourite tracks. My friends ask me for copies of my compilation tapes - I oblige them with CD copies - herein lies the benefit (for me) of a CD recorder - my trusty Philips CD-R765. It's cheaper, it makes them happy and it dovetails neatly with their high-tech lifestyles. I could always "higher" the tech and give it to them compressed to the max (12x) on MP3 and funnel it into their iPod!! > > However, Dan, you've hit the nail on the head - the best use of analogue recording formats must surely be preserving the analogue chain - from LP through to tape. Vinyl demands meticulous habits and, if the whole dynamic range thing is too tiresome, then at least this approach has the advantage of being practical. Saving time on cleaning, keeping wear of the mother recording (and the precious cartridge and stylus) as low as possible - all can be achieved with recording vinyl. What turntable set-up are you using? Do you use a record cleaning machine? > > Live recording? I have done some SB recording with friends using any of the following: Nakamichi ZX-7, TASCAM 122/II and a Nakamichi LX-3. They use this setup for live performances and practices. I was a technical participant in this - I don't play an instrument myself. > > Recording from radio - so much of FM is severely compressed - pretty much wherever you are. Despite my complaint on this, I have recorded a lot over the years - always to tape. Either classic rock shows or live classical broadcasts - thesedays I use a TASCAM 112 onto Maxell XLII with Dolby C - I have used quite a bit of ordinary TDK D in the process too. I was very fortunate to have a fellow naktalker record some live classical broadcasts from the legendary BBC 3 - it was onto TDK MA via a selection of fine tuners, including a vintage Leak Troughline, a collectable vintage Sony and a high-end Sugden. The results were fantastic - our British friends sure are spoilt!! My tuners are normally either a Yamaha RX-V396 or a TEAC RV-30. > > In general, the cassette standard more or less approximates the FMII standard. However, the best of breed, including all Naks will exceed it - even considering the top (late eighties) tuners from Onkyo, Pioneer, ReVox, Audiolab, McIntosh, Luxman and Day Sequerra. That they should have a specialist installed and tuned multi-element antenna goes without saying. > > There are (or rather were) indeed audiophile cassettes. The best were recorded in real time and as I recall, they were recorded by a company in the US that used banks of Nakamichi ZX-9s to perform this function. Some labels were better than others. I played a tape yesterday - the pre-recorded tape from the show "For the Boys" featuring Bette Midler. The quality is extremely good, considering it is a type I tape probably done an a high-speed bin-loop duplicator. I'm sure than some of our naktalkers will be able to give you some info on the lables to hunt for. > > All these best in your recording endeavors and tell us about your analogue rig (and the music!!) - > > Cheers - Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> danbarham at aol.com 9/25/2006 6:18:31 AM >>> > Greetings all! > > I have an unusual question for everyone. What is the best use for these grand old decks? I don't see any point in making a cassette tape of a CD when I could just as easily make a CD copy with no generation loss. My personal best use is to make recordings of vinyl LP's so you don't have to clean the record after 20 minutes of play. Or if you were to make live recordings of a musical performance. What about recording from radio? Is the fidelity of FM stereo good enough to demand the capabilities of a good NAK? I can certainly see the benefit of using a 680ZX at half speed for this (I own two and am bidding on a third). Finally, my real question is if there are any audiophile grade pre-recorded music for sale in cassette format? Are there any record labels who cater to this, or were there? I have probably bought all of two pre-recorded albums in my life due to the belief that pretty much all music sold in cassette form were mass-produced, hi speed, low quality recordings pu! > t on sub-standard tape stock. Am I wrong on this one? I'm really curious as to the responses I get from this one. I've only been on NAKTALK a short time now but am learning a lot about restoring and appreciating these fine machines. A special thanks go out to Tom Brucker, Kimo, Bala, Luis and all the others who I see quite frequently on this forum, educating newbies like me. Thanks again! > > Sincerely, > Dan Barham > Chicago, IL, USA > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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We might have the 3rd, but I'm not sure. I do remember they were VERY expensive in 1981. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us -------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] question for Bala, ESL re: 1000ZXL Bala, I sat down with the manual last night. How many calibration units are there in the world? I certainly do not have one. While I would build one if needed, it is no small task. I would not recommend anyone purchase a 1000 or 700ZXL with expectations of calibration without first finding a servicer with the proper calibration unit. I am sure ESL has one in America, correct? For those who may not understand, the ABLE system can calibrate all tapes for optimum recording . What I am describing here is the calibration of the automatic circuit itself. The cal unit reads and writes binary codes into the 1000ZXL microprocessor. Potentiometers are not used for many of the alignments. if this bursts your bubble, take heart. I also scanned the Dragon TX turntable manual. The calibration and jig list were extensive and not reproduceable. tom brucker At 08:02 AM 9/24/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi, Caps are certainly a problem with this deck. But another important thing this deck needs is a ful calibration. Especially the electronics. The heads are good and need no adjustments unless you have changed them. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79Labs Luis Peromarta wrote: Still looks to me like orange cap issue. Some info on my website, look for the 1000_zxl pages, it's a start: http://peromarta.org/main/naks.html Best rgds, LP. BOEING747600 at aol.com escribió: > HI kby, Thanks for taking out time to write about my 1000zxl problem > which is much appreciated! I think with your help I might able to bring > this baby back to mint shape functionally as its in mint condition > cosmetically at moment. > > Since my last email here is what I have found out! Once in a blue > moon! specially after turning on the machine for the first time and if I > am lucky!! the tone generator comes on full blast when switched for a > very breif period and then disappears! I have cleaned the switch > numerous times and it click positively and still no go! with the test > tone! Also engaing the play result in first sound from one channel only > and then all of sudden the other missing channel come on ! out of > nowhere! there is lots of static very uncomfortable!! then it stop for a > little while then comes back on, and the channel that come to live all > of sudden decides to quit! I have cleaned every single connectore even > cleaned them with very fine 400 grit sand paper for 100 percent positive > contact each and every single connector and terminal has been > painstakingly cleaned! but still no luck!! > > I have checked very single circuit trace to see if any was broken going > from the connectors on the circuit board , I did find a couple which I > repaired with solder and wire but this did not solve the problem. I have > the 1000 zxl service manual but it contains more materials about > aligning and testing the machine then real life scenaro with t trouble > shooting the problem at hand! > > I am thinking maybe the power supply is supplying to much voltage > ripple to cause the static noises and also the reason for this thinking > is that the playback or record level gets really very high with just > a little upward motion of the input slider controls same with the > playback. Also was thinking the full blast of the 400hz test tone at > full volume when it does come and then cutting off and staying that way > maybe be linked to power supply what is your take on this?! . You being > more experienced will know by the symptons what my next step should be . > ONCE AGAIN! I REALLY! AND I MEAN REALLY APPRECIATE!! YOUR KIND HELP! > to help me fix this machine! I think together with your help we will > get this honey fixed! like new! > > With Best Regards! > Ali > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Do you Yahoo!? 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I am fortunate to have a fairly good public radio station. However, keep in mind that (1) FM is limited to 15kHz even in the best of worlds--it's an aspect of the way stereo FM works. (2) Most (read all) of the prerecorded stuff on the radio is off of CD anyway.-kby From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 26 09:23:16 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:23:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Source material In-Reply-To: <200609251627.k8PGPANN019012@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060926072316.78180.qmail@web27409.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Marc Hugo asked me about my system and I originally replied off-list but here is an abbreviated version of my reply: The Harman-Kardon receiver "died" several years ago and I don't really remember why or what I tried to revive it. My setup isn't exotic but it gives me huge pleasure. I use daily: - A Marantz PM32 amp - Mission 760i speakers - A Marantz DR700 CD recorder - A Pioneer DV585A DVD player - A Philips DTR1500 digital terrestrial receiver for digital radio - Nakamichi BX-300E I also have: - An Aiwa XC-700 CD player - An Aiwa AD-WX 929 double cassette deck - My second BX-300E (my current "rescue project") I use QED speaker cable and interconnects and I keep things quiet with a Russ Andrews Silencer. So like I say not exotic, but robust gear with the ability to delight on occasions. Chris From BOEING747600 at aol.com Tue Sep 26 04:21:05 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:21:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist step?!! Message-ID: <53a.124ad800.3249e891@aol.com> Hi Lp, Does the value have to be exact?! or you can do with ones that are close to the value. I found of two bags of hundred of brandnew! green and orange pp capacitor in my basement! these are of value .47uf/100v and o.15uf/100v. I havent done anything to the deck. Did you read kby post in which he has reservation about replacing orange caps. But I definitely think your kind advice makes much more sense to me!! and I am going to try it . Also awaiting reply from Bala. Will keep you posted. Do really have to replace IC 301 the only replacement I can get is an equivalent for the 4559 not the OP27 that you mentioned the local electronic parts guy never heard about a OP 27. Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Sep 26 09:59:56 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:59:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist step?!! In-Reply-To: <53a.124ad800.3249e891@aol.com> References: <53a.124ad800.3249e891@aol.com> Message-ID: <4518DDFC.8020802@peromarta.org> Hi, yes they should match, in most cases. Regarding the IC301, the amp will probably be OK, but a better, quieter & faster replacement will do no harm. The OP27 (single) exists: http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,2877,OP27,00.html but it's no direct replacement for 4559 (dual), it's been my mistake (typo), correct reference is OP-275 (dual). http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,2877,OP275,00.html Some say, however, the 5532 (dual) is a better replacement. http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/NE/NE5532.html A beginners read can be found here: http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/ampins/webbop/opamp.htm Bet rgds, LP. BOEING747600 at aol.com escribió: > Hi Lp, Does the value have to be exact?! or you can do with ones that > are close to the value. I found of two bags of hundred of brandnew! > green and orange pp capacitor in my basement! these are of value > .47uf/100v and o.15uf/100v. I havent done anything to the deck. Did you > read kby post in which he has reservation about replacing orange caps. > But I definitely think your kind advice makes much more sense to me!! > and I am going to try it . Also awaiting reply from Bala. Will keep you > posted. Do really have to replace IC 301 the only replacement I can get > is an equivalent for the 4559 not the OP27 that you mentioned the local > electronic parts guy never heard about a OP 27. Thanks! > > > Ali > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Sep 26 10:05:02 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:05:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist step?!! Message-ID: You shouldn't change the values unless you know what you're doing. The values were chosen by the engineers for good reason. Yes, the deck will work with different values. If the caps are leaking, then it will "fix" the issue to the extent of getting rid of the crackling--and potentially adding a subtle coloring to things. Changing for test purposes, OK. Trouble is, when you do a whole lot like that it gets hard to remember which ones to go back and fix up. To be honest, the more in a hurry you sound to just take what you have, and try and make it worse, the less you convince me you're ready to try that kind of experiment. If Bala or some others were doing it, I would figure he'd know where his limitations were and weren't and what he could get away with. You don't give me the same impression, which why I don't recommend haphazard replacements As far as the op amp (and other things) are concerned, I know some feel they make an improvement which I don't have the data to dispute or confirm. I prefer to feel that the engineers knew what they were doing when then they designed the deck. That said, some technologies have improved, but newer isn't ALWAYS better--that's not to say it is or isn't better in this case, just that it isn't always. If the deck (or any piece of hardware) is designed by competent people to work with a particular set of components, and it's broken, I don't like to mix "improving" things with "fixing" things. I prefer to "fix" them first then see if the "improvements" help or not. This is espcially true if you haven't already had experience with the particular improvement. Luis has tried it before and knows what he likes. You don't seem to have a baseline to compare the improvement on for yourself. There is also an old saying from us software types learned by many hard lessons (and still oft violated with almost always the same consequences): "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Sep 26 10:07:17 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:07:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist step?!! Message-ID: Oh, and if you do decide to change the cap values, they should at least match across channels, both in value and tolerance. And you should try and make the tolerances the same as the stock ones as well, or better.-kby From ady at spamcop.net Tue Sep 26 10:49:46 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (ady at spamcop.net) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:49:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480 power supply capacitor Message-ID: <20060926094946.ti28o0s8c4cokgs8@webmail.spamcop.net> hi.. i've just received a 480 via eBay.. it's in really nice condition... I've cleaned, demaged and lubricated the transport.. while I was doing this though I noticed powerdery deposits on the top of one of the power supply capacitors... It doesn't seem to be a problem yet but I'd like to change them. Is there any advantage in using larger caps of should I just replace with the nearest value to what's in there already? many thanks adrian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-keys Size: 1320 bytes Desc: PGP Public Key URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Sep 26 10:14:11 2006 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:14:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Source material In-Reply-To: <20060925110818.98672.qmail@web27414.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <200609250945.k8P9grWb015436@zxe.naks.com> <20060925110818.98672.qmail@web27414.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:08:18 +0100 (BST), Chris Mann wrote: >What a great thread! The original questions and Marc's >fantastic replies make me think of how my love affair >with tape has progressed since the late 60's. > >It's a bit off-topic but I can still remember the >magic of having a single-speaker cassette recorder >with a built-in mic that you could speak or sing into >and play it back and ask "ooh, do I really sound like >that?". I bet my parents can too. My sister and I listened to children stories, Tintin and Disney films as audiobooks rather than comic books and films while we were going by car to our holiday resorts, this involves playing every song in the Disney audiobooks several times over by rewinding and playing. The deck is a small portable National (by Panasonic) and my dad did not have any audio stuff in the car and we kids got this tape recorder so we could keep quiet and not complain about the long ride. But I think my dad sometimes wished he had a tape player in the dashboard so he could control how many times we'd hear the same song in half an hour. I think my parents still have the tape recorder somewhere, bould be fun to see if it still works. I know my father pålayed cassettes with jazz at work while selling tickets at a railway station in the 80s and 90s. He eventually quit in 2003 at 70 and 52 years of working for the railways. I oughta give him some of my better systems to listen to the music he has, and I am still ocasionally finding old jazz for him to have. -Mikkel From btorre at ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 26 11:25:11 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:25:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480 power supply capacitor In-Reply-To: <20060926094946.ti28o0s8c4cokgs8@webmail.spamcop.net> References: <20060926094946.ti28o0s8c4cokgs8@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060926051543.034b44e0@ix.netcom.com> At 04:49 AM 9/26/06, you wrote: >Is there any advantage in using larger caps of should I just replace >with the nearest value to what's in there already? General rule of thumb is to never go under marked value, but stay within 20% to 100% over marked value. I personally like to double the voltage rating if I can and space allows for it. That gives me longer life. Electrolytics are generally smaller these days than their ancestors for a given voltage/capacity rating. Note that in any case, a filter cap increase in capacity will NOT make up for an undersized power transformer. Not that this would ever happen in Nak gear, but be aware of it in other gear. From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 26 13:18:37 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:18:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E alignment Message-ID: <20060926111837.93097.qmail@web27412.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Guys I'm throwing myself on the mercy of the court here. I've started to make alignment checks on my ailing deck and I've got two questions: 1 - I'm using a digital multimeter to read the DC voltage at the output jacks while I'm playing my approximation of a 15 kHz azimuth tape. Is it normal that the reading should be negative? In this case I'm following the service manual instruction to adjust for the maximum output and so I'm trying to get as close to 0 volts as I can. -0.15 is about as close as I can get. 2 - I also misread the service manual when it asks for a ZX reference tape in the RH alignment section. I think I know the answer but it does *have* to be a metal doesn't it? A brand new Type II wouldn't do... This is my first time trying to do this and I'm doing it simply because a shop will (quite rightly) charge me several times what the deck would be worth even in a fully-working state. I'm embarassed to ask so many questions but I'd be even more embarassed to ask people who would be unlikely to know or care. I'll be buying an electronics book soon - honest. Thanks in anticipation. Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 26 15:11:18 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:11:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480 power supply capacitor In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060926051543.034b44e0@ix.netcom.com> References: <20060926094946.ti28o0s8c4cokgs8@webmail.spamcop.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060926051543.034b44e0@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <451926F6.3000706@rcn.com> Ben Torre wrote: > At 04:49 AM 9/26/06, you wrote: >> Is there any advantage in using larger caps of should I just replace >> with the nearest value to what's in there already? > > General rule of thumb is to never go under marked value, but stay within > 20% to 100% over marked value. Ben, someone has already said here that Nak engineers chose values for a reason and no one shouldn't change values unless they know exactly what they are doing.Some values are critical, some are not, so I strongly disagree with your 'rule of thumb'. > I personally like to double the voltage rating if I can and space > allows for it. That gives me longer life. No, it doesn't (except maybe for tantalum caps, which I can't recall seeing in a Nak deck). -- Ron > Electrolytics are generally smaller these days than their ancestors for > a given voltage/capacity rating. > > Note that in any case, a filter cap increase in capacity will NOT make > up for an undersized power transformer. Not that this would ever happen > in Nak gear, but be aware of it in other gear. From luis at peromarta.org Tue Sep 26 15:41:01 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:41:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 480 power supply capacitor In-Reply-To: <451926F6.3000706@rcn.com> References: <20060926094946.ti28o0s8c4cokgs8@webmail.spamcop.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060926051543.034b44e0@ix.netcom.com> <451926F6.3000706@rcn.com> Message-ID: <45192DED.2030409@peromarta.org> As usual I agree with Ron. No benefit in increasing voltage rating on caps. Increasing capacitance may decrease ripple, at the expense of higher peak currents in recifier diodes. There may be a slight improvement swapping rectifiers with low voltage drop schotky-type diodes, or fast recovery. This was also recomended by Stephen Sank some time ago. I'd go for slightly bigger caps (higher capacitance) say 20%, if you choose to swap diodes too. rgds, LP. Ron escribió: > Ben Torre wrote: >> At 04:49 AM 9/26/06, you wrote: >>> Is there any advantage in using larger caps of should I just replace >>> with the nearest value to what's in there already? >> >> General rule of thumb is to never go under marked value, but stay >> within 20% to 100% over marked value. > > Ben, someone has already said here that Nak engineers > chose values for a reason and no one shouldn't change > values unless they know exactly what they are doing.Some > values are critical, some are not, so I strongly disagree > with your 'rule of thumb'. > >> I personally like to double the voltage rating if I can and space > > allows for it. That gives me longer life. > > No, it doesn't (except maybe for tantalum caps, which I can't > recall seeing in a Nak deck). > > -- Ron > > >> Electrolytics are generally smaller these days than their ancestors >> for a given voltage/capacity rating. >> >> Note that in any case, a filter cap increase in capacity will NOT make >> up for an undersized power transformer. Not that this would ever >> happen in Nak gear, but be aware of it in other gear. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 26 15:50:21 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:50:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E alignment In-Reply-To: <20060926111837.93097.qmail@web27412.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060926111837.93097.qmail@web27412.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4519301D.5030808@rcn.com> Chris Mann wrote: > Guys > > I'm throwing myself on the mercy of the court here. > I've started to make alignment checks on my ailing > deck and I've got two questions: > > 1 - I'm using a digital multimeter to read the DC > voltage at the output jacks while I'm playing my > approximation of a 15 kHz azimuth tape. Is it normal > that the reading should be negative? In this case I'm > following the service manual instruction to adjust for > the maximum output and so I'm trying to get as close > to 0 volts as I can. -0.15 is about as close as I can > get. The DC level at the output jacks should be 0, measured in STOP mode with full volume. AFAIK, there is no adjustment for that. -0.15VDC is kinda high. This reading could be false if the ground probe is connected to a bad ground point in the deck. To adjust for maximum 15kHz, you set your DMM to AC. It will ignore the DC component the signal is 'riding' on. > 2 - I also misread the service manual when it asks for > a ZX reference tape in the RH alignment section. I > think I know the answer but it does *have* to be a > metal doesn't it? A brand new Type II wouldn't do... I would use metal tape when the instructions call for it. -- Ron > > This is my first time trying to do this and I'm doing > it simply because a shop will (quite rightly) charge > me several times what the deck would be worth even in > a fully-working state. I'm embarassed to ask so many > questions but I'd be even more embarassed to ask > people who would be unlikely to know or care. > > I'll be buying an electronics book soon - honest. > > Thanks in anticipation. > > Chris > From luis at peromarta.org Tue Sep 26 16:06:59 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:06:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Rack o' Naks ! Message-ID: <45193403.90003@peromarta.org> I've updated some pics on the site, you may want to check out. There's the newly arrived ZX7. http://peromarta.org/main/naks.html (As you can see, the 1000 ZXL is not on the rack ... It's still on the bench ;) Enjoy! LP. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 26 15:59:24 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:59:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 480 power supply capacitor In-Reply-To: <451926F6.3000706@rcn.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060926051543.034b44e0@ix.netcom.com> <20060926094946.ti28o0s8c4cokgs8@webmail.spamcop.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060926051543.034b44e0@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060926085924.008281c0@earthlink.net> Improvements that are worthwhile include using low esr caps, sometimes AKA high frequency caps, and 105 degree temperature, long life caps. The former always helps audio, and the latter lasts longer. tom brucker At 09:11 AM 9/26/06 -0400, you wrote: >Ben Torre wrote: >> At 04:49 AM 9/26/06, you wrote: >>> Is there any advantage in using larger caps of should I just replace >>> with the nearest value to what's in there already? >> >> General rule of thumb is to never go under marked value, but stay within >> 20% to 100% over marked value. > >Ben, someone has already said here that Nak engineers >chose values for a reason and no one shouldn't change >values unless they know exactly what they are doing.Some >values are critical, some are not, so I strongly disagree >with your 'rule of thumb'. > >> I personally like to double the voltage rating if I can and space > > allows for it. That gives me longer life. > >No, it doesn't (except maybe for tantalum caps, which I can't >recall seeing in a Nak deck). > >-- Ron > > >> Electrolytics are generally smaller these days than their ancestors for >> a given voltage/capacity rating. >> >> Note that in any case, a filter cap increase in capacity will NOT make >> up for an undersized power transformer. Not that this would ever happen >> in Nak gear, but be aware of it in other gear. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 26 16:07:26 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:07:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E alignment In-Reply-To: <20060926111837.93097.qmail@web27412.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060926090726.007a2600@earthlink.net> Chris, sometimes DIY just isn't the best option. Reading and following service manuals assumes some level of training. If you begin at the beginning, you will not that a tool "required" is an AC voltmeter. Your DC measurements are not the correct procedure. To adjust play azimuth do the following: Hook up your deck to the stereo. Set the stereo's mode switch to mono. Play your azimuth tape with EX selected and dolby off. Adjust ONLY the right hand white adjuster for highest audio output. Ignore your BX300 meters. Do not adjust the two interlocked adjusters or remove the interlock. These settings require alignment jigs. Record azimuth, the left hand adjuster, can be brought in pretty close by going into record mode, with dolby off and any type tape, and going from mono to stereo while monitoring, adjusting for minimum phas-y sound...in other words, use your ears and adjust until mono and stereo sound the same. I hope this DIY method works for you. Is it possible to archive this? tom brucker At 12:18 PM 9/26/06 +0100, you wrote: >Guys > >I'm throwing myself on the mercy of the court here. >I've started to make alignment checks on my ailing >deck and I've got two questions: > >1 - I'm using a digital multimeter to read the DC >voltage at the output jacks while I'm playing my >approximation of a 15 kHz azimuth tape. Is it normal >that the reading should be negative? In this case I'm >following the service manual instruction to adjust for >the maximum output and so I'm trying to get as close >to 0 volts as I can. -0.15 is about as close as I can >get. > >2 - I also misread the service manual when it asks for >a ZX reference tape in the RH alignment section. I >think I know the answer but it does *have* to be a >metal doesn't it? A brand new Type II wouldn't do... > >This is my first time trying to do this and I'm doing >it simply because a shop will (quite rightly) charge >me several times what the deck would be worth even in >a fully-working state. I'm embarassed to ask so many >questions but I'd be even more embarassed to ask >people who would be unlikely to know or care. > >I'll be buying an electronics book soon - honest. > >Thanks in anticipation. > >Chris >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From luis at peromarta.org Tue Sep 26 16:07:28 2006 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:07:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E alignment In-Reply-To: <20060926111837.93097.qmail@web27412.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060926111837.93097.qmail@web27412.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45193420.4080908@peromarta.org> Chris, Chris Mann escribió: > while I'm playing my > approximation of a 15 kHz azimuth tape. I have for sale proper testing tapes you may be interested in. http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/mynaks.html Best rgds, LP. From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 26 18:17:38 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR1 A & B In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060926090726.007a2600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060926161739.93750.qmail@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have two Naks MR1's. I read through a link sent here "nak problems" that the MR1-B was not designated other than white dot on the bottom. One of mine has this white dot which it said that it's recordings are more compatible with other machines. I cannot hear any difference between these two decks. Any opinions on this "B" deck and it's differences? Thanks, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 27 00:10:21 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:10:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 issue In-Reply-To: <006601c6e055$db6aa840$8505d2cf@kcsmcv2jcuzbg2> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060926171021.00824100@earthlink.net> Try reseating each connector. You can also add a squirt of contact cleaner. tom brucker At 11:51 PM 9/24/06 -0400, you wrote: >>>> I have a Nakamichi DR-10, bought it new 5 years ago, and used it really rarely. I didnt use it for the last 2 years, now I tried to play something, the right channel is as supposed, but the signal in the left is really low, but clean. Also the led-meter is showing the low signal, so it is definitely coming from the head, not from elsewhere, preamplification or else. Have anybody had similar problems or any suggestions at all? Thanks, Csaba /Canada/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bernardsda at hotmail.com Tue Sep 26 23:09:24 2006 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:09:24 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] plate for 1000ZXL? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From btorre at ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 27 00:42:57 2006 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:42:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480 power supply capacitor In-Reply-To: <451926F6.3000706@rcn.com> References: <20060926094946.ti28o0s8c4cokgs8@webmail.spamcop.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060926051543.034b44e0@ix.netcom.com> <451926F6.3000706@rcn.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060926175034.02ed9d60@ix.netcom.com> At 09:11 AM 9/26/06, you wrote: >Ben, someone has already said here that Nak engineers chose values >for a reason and no one shouldn't change values unless they know >exactly what they are doing.Some values are critical, some are not, >so I strongly disagree with your 'rule of thumb'. Ron, the response I gave was in reference to filter capacitors, not all capacitors. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough. In the case of coupling or EQ caps, I obviously want to stay as close as possible to the capacitance value. >>I personally like to double the voltage rating if I can and space >>allows for it. That gives me longer life. > >No, it doesn't (except maybe for tantalum caps, which I can't recall >seeing in a Nak deck). I would be interested in seeing any reference you have in this regard. With filter caps, my rule of thumb has worked very well for me. YMMV. >I'd go for slightly bigger caps (higher capacitance) say 20%, if you >choose to swap diodes too. Luis... Most every filter cap I have run into in 70s and 80s gear was pretty wide tolerance. (most often -20%/+80% of marked value) In my roughly 24 year old 700II, there are no tight-tolerance electrolytics present. +20% for a filter cap capacitance value isn't at all unreasonable, even for the stock rectifiers. >Improvements that are worthwhile include using low esr caps, >sometimes AKA high frequency caps, and 105 degree temperature, long >life caps. The former always helps audio, and the latter lasts longer. Absolutely 100% in agreement, Tom. From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Wed Sep 27 04:39:45 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:39:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck Vintage NEW INBOX! (item 170002058085 end time Sep-24-06 13:18:44 PDT) References: Message-ID: <1f4d01c6e1de$32b06c50$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Jerry - how do I get the shipping money to you? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerryjg" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck Vintage NEW INBOX! (item 170002058085 end time Sep-24-06 13:18:44 PDT) > Thanks Dennis-for the Donation to Naktalk by proxy. It has been awhile > since I made a charitable contribution,so I hope this eases my conscious > till I can send a gift. Your Nak 500 will be winging its way soon to the > great Nation of Canada-by the way, where IS Canada? Isnt that next to New > Zealand or something?? ..LOL, Jerry On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 04:09:28 -0500, > jerryjg wrote: > >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170002058085&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 >>> >> >> -- I dont know whether to laugh or get disgusted.. A Nak 500 for 900.00 >> U.S? This guy's gone off the deep end.IMHO, that is. In Fact, I gtt a >> Nak 500 today,that works great, and I'm offering it to the first person >> who makes a 25.00 donation to Naktalk (+postage). >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > > > -- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 22/09/2006 > > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Sep 26 10:07:17 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:07:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist step?!! Message-ID: Oh, and if you do decide to change the cap values, they should at least match across channels, both in value and tolerance. And you should try and make the tolerances the same as the stock ones as well, or better.-kby From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Sep 27 09:32:46 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:32:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck Vintage NEW INBOX! (item 170002058085 end time Sep-24-06 13:18:44 PDT) In-Reply-To: <1f4d01c6e1de$32b06c50$9e274446@a72400shuttle> References: <1f4d01c6e1de$32b06c50$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: Hi Dennis. I will get the Nak out to you by Friday this week. All systems are go with the condition , just havent boxed her up yet. Pay me shipping after you recieve it.. I was afraid I had made a mistake because I realised I needed that mic. blend feature till I found out my Nak 700's also have it. On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:39:45 -0500, Dennis Orr wrote: > Jerry - how do I get the shipping money to you? > > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerryjg" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck Vintage > NEW INBOX! (item 170002058085 end time Sep-24-06 13:18:44 PDT) > > >> Thanks Dennis-for the Donation to Naktalk by proxy. It has been awhile >> since I made a charitable contribution,so I hope this eases my >> conscious till I can send a gift. Your Nak 500 will be winging its way >> soon to the great Nation of Canada-by the way, where IS Canada? Isnt >> that next to New Zealand or something?? ..LOL, Jerry On Sun, 24 Sep >> 2006 04:09:28 -0500, jerryjg wrote: >> >>> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170002058085&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 >>>> >>> >>> -- I dont know whether to laugh or get disgusted.. A Nak 500 for >>> 900.00 U.S? This guy's gone off the deep end.IMHO, that is. In Fact, I >>> gtt a Nak 500 today,that works great, and I'm offering it to the >>> first person who makes a 25.00 donation to Naktalk (+postage). >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> -- No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: >> 22/09/2006 >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Sep 27 10:12:27 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:12:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] plate for 1000ZXL? Message-ID: <45A809ED-9D17-41AC-B4FE-BC3C16865E92@alumni.caltech.edu> I think he is talking about the shield that covers the main PCB on the bottom right side as you face the deck. It's not metal, it's sort of like silver-colored cardboard. I've also noticed that in one 1000zxl I have and also in the picture in the review article in Audio Magazine (or its reprint) that some versions have a much sloppier thing, which is a piece of cardboard with foil stuck to it on the bottom side (AWAY from the PC board--you don't want it to short the contacts. I'm not convinced it is a signifcant contributer to any hum, but he can try the foil solution to see if it affects anything at all. The cardboard had holes so the screws that mount the PC board also held the board on.-kby From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Wed Sep 27 11:14:44 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:14:44 +1200 Subject: : Re: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck Vintage NEW References: <200609270722.k8R7L4MU009663@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000801c6e215$5f578680$0201a8c0@lan> "where IS Canada? Isnt that next to New Zealand or something?? " Sorry, can't let that one go :o) AUS-TRA-LIA is the lump of rock offshore from New Zealand, CAN-A-DA is the lump of mud sitting on top of the U-S of A... you are about 180 deg out of phase... Seriously though.. a 500 is a fine deck, very very under rated, and getting a good one even better...I really enjoy listening to mine, and friends cannot believe such a good sound comes from something that that archaic.. when it grew up a little, it became a 600... Martin New Zealand/Aoteoroa. land of Kiwi's and All Blacks.. and definitely not to be confused with the land of Kangaroo's and Wombat's...or Maple syrup and Mounties. your serve.. From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 27 11:42:47 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:42:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E alignment In-Reply-To: <200609270722.k8R7L4MU009663@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060927094247.33707.qmail@web27410.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Ron, Tom, Luis (and others who have encouraged me) many thanks for your advice, all of which is taken to heart. I'm pushing my knowledge and understanding to its limits and I've gained a renewed respect for professional techs. My reasons for my current project are my love of music, recorded sound and a job done well. There's no profit motive (oh, if only...) and any reward I get will be the old-fashioned feeling you get when you load a tape, play your favourite music and find that it sounds even better than you remembered. Again, sincere thanks, and if I succeed or if I donate the deck to a list member, you'll be the first to know. Chris From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Sep 27 11:38:54 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:38:54 +0000 Subject: : Re: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck Vintage NEW Message-ID: Bravo Martin!!! Peace, ALEX! > From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: : Re: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck Vintage NEW > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:14:44 +1200> > "where IS Canada? Isnt that next to New Zealand or something?? "> > Sorry, can't let that one go :o)> > AUS-TRA-LIA is the lump of rock offshore from New Zealand, CAN-A-DA is the> lump of mud sitting on top of the U-S of A... you are about 180 deg out of> phase...> Seriously though.. a 500 is a fine deck, very very under rated, and getting> a good one even better...I really enjoy listening to mine, and friends> cannot believe such a good sound comes from something that that archaic..> when it grew up a little, it became a 600...> > Martin> New Zealand/Aoteoroa. land of Kiwi's and All Blacks..> and definitely not to be confused with the land of Kangaroo's and> Wombat's...or Maple syrup and Mounties.> > your serve..> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Stay connected with the news, people, places and online services that matter to you on Live.com http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ONE ON TOP &ONE ON BOTTOM Message-ID: My Nakamichi 1000zxl has the aluminium covered plates that your tech is mentioning one at the bottom board of the of the machine covering part of it and the other on the top covering part of the left side where the two sandwich PCBs are! I personally dont think these boards has got anything to do with the buzzing noise , there is something defintely gone bad inside the machine maybe in the powersupply to cause the kind of buzzing that you can hear! , these two aluminium covered boards or shield probably are there to repel static electricity from destroying the sensitive ICs inside the machine and also act like a dust shield. I might be wrong but thats my take! Ali I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Wed Sep 27 16:20:15 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060927142015.570771CD04@smtp.amb.org> BOEING747600 at aol.com writes: > Hi Kby and Lp, Is it okay to use mylar capacitors instead of metalized > polypropylene or plastic film ones?! My local store only has the mylar kind. Mylar = polyester, which is a plastic film type. It is not as good as polypropylene but not too bad. > Also 5600pf would converts to how much uF do you have to divide by 1000 ?! > Thanks! 5600pF = 0.0056uF. -Ti From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 27 16:45:08 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:45:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] plate for 1000ZXL? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060927094508.00828ce0@earthlink.net> Bernard, A common error is to install the longer screws used for grounding the 3 aluminum transport layers in the wrong hole. Have your tech use the ohm meter to check continuity to ground of all 3 layers, and also the head block plate. I'll bet the head plate is not grounded. tom brucker At 09:09 AM 9/27/06 +1200, you wrote: >>>> Hi everyone. I'm a new subscriber and have just finished plouging my way through the latest series' of posts. I have a DR 10 and a 1000ZXL. My ZXL is in for repair at the moment. The tech there has told me that he thinks the unit is missing a base plate or something that sits on the bottom (inside, not outside, the wooden case) - he says it would measure about 30 x 40cm. The deck is producing a buzzing sound on playback which my tech says would probably still be there, even after he's fixed everything, unless we have that plate. (The buzzing sound, by the way, has only appeared since I last used the deck about 18 months ago - it has been in storage while I was out of the country.) Is he dreaming? Is there such a thing? I'm not sure if this guy has worked on a ZXL before, although he has worked on Naks. Anyone able to throw light on this? Thanks in advance. ---------- Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 28 07:04:28 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist step?!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060928050428.74232.qmail@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali, Ok, before deciding to change caps, here are a few things to check. Recalling this from memory, so forgive me if I miss something. I presume that you've manage to get a big clean area and disassembled the deck. Now, putting the deck on its left side, with its right side facing up, disassemble the metal panel. This involves removing some screws from the back panel, the bracket across the four boards and a few others. This gives you access to the board while its plugged into place. Apply power to the deck, and check voltages at the following points: At Pins 1 and 7 of 4559(IC301). You should be getting very close to zero. If not, adjust VR101 and 201 to get the lower possible voltages possible. This the static coming on both channels simultanously? In order to troubleshoot, I have used metal film capacitors to troubleshoot cap problems on the pb board. The playback signal path goes from the heads to this board, and then to the main pcb. This contains the muting circuit. From there, it goes to the mic and amplifier board and back to the main pcb. From there, it goes to the output jacks. Feed in a cd player or tuner and put the monitor switch to source. Observe the sound and the meters. If everything is ok, the problem is definitely on the playback pcb. At this point, concentrate of fixing the circuit and not changing anything. Because what you change may not fix the problem. On my home page, under technical, you will find the procedure on changing caps on the playback board I just talked about. Good Luck. Best Regards Bala Ganesh "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Oh, and if you do decide to change the cap values, they should at least match across channels, both in value and tolerance. And you should try and make the tolerances the same as the stock ones as well, or better.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Wed Sep 27 17:05:10 2006 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:05:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] plate for 1000ZXL? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c6e246$563f87b0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> I have had a similar issue with mine after a long period in storage. It turned out to be the cam motor for changing the mode was constantly running. It would get far enough to start the deck playing, and it all appeared to work normally, but was buzzing. The buzzing was caused by the motor running continuously trying to move the pulley the last fraction of a turn. A new belt and some lubrication sorted it out. My ZXL is missing the metal top CPU shield. It has been worked on in the past (it has the techs sticker inside) and obviously this part was left out on re-assembly! Ken _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bernard White Sent: September 26, 2006 2:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] plate for 1000ZXL? Hi everyone. I'm a new subscriber and have just finished plouging my way through the latest series' of posts. I have a DR 10 and a 1000ZXL. My ZXL is in for repair at the moment. The tech there has told me that he thinks the unit is missing a base plate or something that sits on the bottom (inside, not outside, the wooden case) - he says it would measure about 30 x 40cm. The deck is producing a buzzing sound on playback which my tech says would probably still be there, even after he's fixed everything, unless we have that plate. (The buzzing sound, by the way, has only appeared since I last used the deck about 18 months ago - it has been in storage while I was out of the country.) Is he dreaming? Is there such a thing? I'm not sure if this guy has worked on a ZXL before, although he has worked on Naks. Anyone able to throw light on this? Thanks in advance. _____ Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 27 17:21:34 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] plate for 1000ZXL? THERE ARE TWO!! ONE ON TOP &ONE ON BOTTOM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060927152134.24460.qmail@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like an RF shield to me. Bob BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: My Nakamichi 1000zxl has the aluminium covered plates that your tech is mentioning one at the bottom board of the of the machine covering part of it and the other on the top covering part of the left side where the two sandwich PCBs are! I personally dont think these boards has got anything to do with the buzzing noise , there is something defintely gone bad inside the machine maybe in the powersupply to cause the kind of buzzing that you can hear! , these two aluminium covered boards or shield probably are there to repel static electricity from destroying the sensitive ICs inside the machine and also act like a dust shield. I might be wrong but thats my take! Ali I ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Dean In a message dated 9/13/2006 7:43:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, N4229K at aol.com writes: In a message dated 9/13/2006 3:24:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, car eynall at careysmusic.com writes: hi Dean, there are 2 numbers on the control motor: VA700B04 and 70306-A I don't know which is the actual part number. if you can help me out thatr would be great. thanks for the reply Carey -- mitakuye oyasin (we are all related) Hi Carey: I did not find the motor but I know I have them. I'm still organizing from the move and my vintage falls in last place at this point. I did find a whole transport (heads and all) -- plug and play but prefer not to sell it if I can find the part for you. I'll be away for a week so I can resume search then Regards, Dean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Sep 28 15:01:25 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:01:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS, CAPS RATING ADVICE! Message-ID: <4c6.9244d7b.324d21a5@aol.com> Hi Bala, LP and Kby, I just had live chat with Digikey.com sales people they dont have the metalized pp cap values 680pf/100 v ( c112/c212 on the pcb) or 4700pf/100v ( c121/c221 on the pcb) . The guy said the closet he can get to 680 is 1000pf/400v and for the 4700pf the closet he can get it is 4300pf/400v the rest of the values i.e. 5600pf, 2200 pf he have it in stock all the values will be in 400v rating and 2% made by a British company called BC Components , this name I have never heard before! The Panasonic pp caps that he has in stock are the 0.022 and 0.033 uf/100v. The picofard range is the British company that he has in stock. What shall I do about the ones that he does not have i.e. will the 1000pf/400v in place of 680pf/100v and the 4300pf/400 v in place of 4700pf/100v work out?! I wanted to make certain before ordering. Also was wondering if for breif period I can use the mylar kind which are available locally to see if the static noise goes away and if it does then order the metalized as a final replacement what do you guys think?! Also Bala I have not done the voltage checks on IC 301 yet but will do it later this evening when I get time. The signal coming from CD player via line input is GREAT! absoluetely perfect! no distortion thats why I wrote in earlier email the pre-amp of this deck is fantastic! The distortion in there while trying recording and playback. In record mode trying to monitor the recording and switching to tape result in the same distortion as in playback. I am thinking of taking the recorded tape made and playback it on my other tape deck to see if the recording have the same distortion like the playback. Please foward me your kind expert advice which I very much look forward to!! YOU GUYS ARE GREAT!!:) Thanks! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 28 16:03:43 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:03:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS, CAPS RATING ADVICE! In-Reply-To: <4c6.9244d7b.324d21a5@aol.com> References: <4c6.9244d7b.324d21a5@aol.com> Message-ID: <451BD63F.1000001@rcn.com> BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Bala, LP and Kby, I just had live chat with Digikey.com sales people > they dont have the metalized pp cap values 680pf/100 v ( c112/c212 on > the pcb) or 4700pf/100v ( c121/c221 on the pcb) . The guy said the > closet he can get to 680 is 1000pf/400v and for the 4700pf the closet > he can get it is 4300pf/400v the rest of the values i.e. 5600pf, 2200 > pf he have it in stock all the values will be in 400v rating and 2% > made by a British company called BC Components , this name I have never > heard before! The Panasonic pp caps that he has in stock are the 0.022 > and 0.033 uf/100v. The picofard range is the British company that he has > in stock. > > What shall I do about the ones that he does not have i.e. will the > 1000pf/400v in place of 680pf/100v and the 4300pf/400 v in place of > 4700pf/100v work out?! I wanted to make certain before ordering. Also > was wondering if for breif period I can use the mylar kind which are > available locally to see if the static noise goes away and if it does > then order the metalized as a final replacement what do you guys think?! I am not in this discussion, but thought you may want to know... In 99% of the cases of noisy ("static") caps I have encountered, hitting the cap lightly with a pencil tip caused the noise to appear/change. This is also useful to localize a static-like noise on a PCB. Another approach is to freeze the cap or PCB area with a shot of freezing spray (Rat Shack used to have them). I would try these tricks before reaching for the soldering iron. -- Ron > > Also Bala I have not done the voltage checks on IC 301 yet but will do > it later this evening when I get time. The signal coming from CD player > via line input is GREAT! absoluetely perfect! no distortion thats why I > wrote in earlier email the pre-amp of this deck is fantastic! The > distortion in there while trying recording and playback. In record mode > trying to monitor the recording and switching to tape result in the same > distortion as in playback. I am thinking of taking the recorded tape > made and playback it on my other tape deck to see if the recording have > the same distortion like the playback. Please foward me your kind > expert advice which I very much look forward to!! YOU GUYS ARE GREAT!!:) > Thanks! > > Ali From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 28 16:11:18 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:11:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS, CAPS RATING ADVICE! In-Reply-To: <4c6.9244d7b.324d21a5@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060928091118.0082cb20@earthlink.net> Ali, I would keep the values the same, and use a different type of plastic cap. The Panasonic ECQ-P(Z) series poly film caps have all the values you need . these are 50 volt, which is fine for the 1000ZXL. If you use 400v caps, make sure you compare the SIZE before ordering. They may be too large, and the leads to fat to fit in the circuit board. Digikey part for the 680pf is P3899-ND tom brucker >>>> Hi Bala, LP and Kby, I just had live chat with Digikey.com sales people they dont have the metalized pp cap values 680pf/100 v ( c112/c212 on the pcb) or 4700pf/100v ( c121/c221 on the pcb) . The guy said the closet he can get to 680 is 1000pf/400v and for the 4700pf the closet he can get it is 4300pf/400v the rest of the values i.e. 5600pf, 2200 pf he have it in stock all the values will be in 400v rating and 2% made by a British company called BC Components , this name I have never heard before! The Panasonic pp caps that he has in stock are the 0.022 and 0.033 uf/100v. The picofard range is the British company that he has in stock. What shall I do about the ones that he does not have i.e. will the 1000pf/400v in place of 680pf/100v and the 4300pf/400 v in place of 4700pf/100v work out?! I wanted to make certain before ordering. Also was wondering if for breif period I can use the mylar kind which are available locally to see if the static noise goes away and if it does then order the metalized as a final replacement what do you guys think?! Also Bala I have not done the voltage checks on IC 301 yet but will do it later this evening when I get time. The signal coming from CD player via line input is GREAT! absoluetely perfect! no distortion thats why I wrote in earlier email the pre-amp of this deck is fantastic! The distortion in there while trying recording and playback. In record mode trying to monitor the recording and switching to tape result in the same distortion as in playback. I am thinking of taking the recorded tape made and playback it on my other tape deck to see if the recording have the same distortion like the playback. Please foward me your kind expert advice which I very much look forward to!! YOU GUYS ARE GREAT!!:) Thanks! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 28 17:52:23 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS, In-Reply-To: <4c6.9244d7b.324d21a5@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060928155223.56734.qmail@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali, That means that the main board and pre-amp board is fine by itself. And that signal from the CD player did go through a few orange caps. So, before changing anything, checking the voltages should be your first priority. Hints of failure in the IC, or first stage FETs can be detected from the voltages. I have used EVOX mp caps and they seem to give a good sound with the 1000ZXL. They have the same lead pitch, so, they should be a good replacement. Mylars tend to make the deck loose focus on the treble. Best Regards Bala Ganesh BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Bala, LP and Kby, I just had live chat with Digikey.com sales people they dont have the metalized pp cap values 680pf/100 v ( c112/c212 on the pcb) or 4700pf/100v ( c121/c221 on the pcb) . The guy said the closet he can get to 680 is 1000pf/400v and for the 4700pf the closet he can get it is 4300pf/400v the rest of the values i.e. 5600pf, 2200 pf he have it in stock all the values will be in 400v rating and 2% made by a British company called BC Components , this name I have never heard before! The Panasonic pp caps that he has in stock are the 0.022 and 0.033 uf/100v. The picofard range is the British company that he has in stock. What shall I do about the ones that he does not have i.e. will the 1000pf/400v in place of 680pf/100v and the 4300pf/400 v in place of 4700pf/100v work out?! I wanted to make certain before ordering. Also was wondering if for breif period I can use the mylar kind which are available locally to see if the static noise goes away and if it does then order the metalized as a final replacement what do you guys think?! Also Bala I have not done the voltage checks on IC 301 yet but will do it later this evening when I get time. The signal coming from CD player via line input is GREAT! absoluetely perfect! no distortion thats why I wrote in earlier email the pre-amp of this deck is fantastic! The distortion in there while trying recording and playback. In record mode trying to monitor the recording and switching to tape result in the same distortion as in playback. I am thinking of taking the recorded tape made and playback it on my other tape deck to see if the recording have the same distortion like the playback. Please foward me your kind expert advice which I very much look forward to!! YOU GUYS ARE GREAT!!:) Thanks! Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 28 18:02:55 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS, CAPS RATING ADVICE! In-Reply-To: <451BD63F.1000001@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060928160255.88152.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, Could a cold solder joint do this? Bob Ron wrote: BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Bala, LP and Kby, I just had live chat with Digikey.com sales people > they dont have the metalized pp cap values 680pf/100 v ( c112/c212 on > the pcb) or 4700pf/100v ( c121/c221 on the pcb) . The guy said the > closet he can get to 680 is 1000pf/400v and for the 4700pf the closet > he can get it is 4300pf/400v the rest of the values i.e. 5600pf, 2200 > pf he have it in stock all the values will be in 400v rating and 2% > made by a British company called BC Components , this name I have never > heard before! The Panasonic pp caps that he has in stock are the 0.022 > and 0.033 uf/100v. The picofard range is the British company that he has > in stock. > > What shall I do about the ones that he does not have i.e. will the > 1000pf/400v in place of 680pf/100v and the 4300pf/400 v in place of > 4700pf/100v work out?! I wanted to make certain before ordering. Also > was wondering if for breif period I can use the mylar kind which are > available locally to see if the static noise goes away and if it does > then order the metalized as a final replacement what do you guys think?! I am not in this discussion, but thought you may want to know... In 99% of the cases of noisy ("static") caps I have encountered, hitting the cap lightly with a pencil tip caused the noise to appear/change. This is also useful to localize a static-like noise on a PCB. Another approach is to freeze the cap or PCB area with a shot of freezing spray (Rat Shack used to have them). I would try these tricks before reaching for the soldering iron. -- Ron > > Also Bala I have not done the voltage checks on IC 301 yet but will do > it later this evening when I get time. The signal coming from CD player > via line input is GREAT! absoluetely perfect! no distortion thats why I > wrote in earlier email the pre-amp of this deck is fantastic! The > distortion in there while trying recording and playback. In record mode > trying to monitor the recording and switching to tape result in the same > distortion as in playback. I am thinking of taking the recorded tape > made and playback it on my other tape deck to see if the recording have > the same distortion like the playback. Please foward me your kind > expert advice which I very much look forward to!! YOU GUYS ARE GREAT!!:) > Thanks! > > Ali ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 28 21:12:36 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:12:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS, CAPS RATING ADVICE! In-Reply-To: <20060928160255.88152.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060928160255.88152.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <451C1EA4.6060408@rcn.com> Yes. Here's a story for you: I bought an excellent MR1 cheaply, because it emitted this static from one channel. The seller's tech had a go at it and announced that it would be very expensive to fix. I used the blunt side (eraser side) of a pencil to tap on the PCB, followed by a freezing spray. Since the whole area responded equally, I simply went over all solder joint in that area (about 40). This cured the deck, after which it required no additional work whatsoever. Total repair time: about two hours. (Amazing, it is not? A cold solder joint showing up after 20+ years of operation.) Another possibility is a hairline crack in a PCB track. Often, all but invisible. I bought an RE-2 receiver that bad bad intermittent static and was pronounced irreparable. Tapping about isolated the noise to the balance control PCB. Close examination showed a hairline crack between a pad and the track leading to it. Scraping off a bit of the masking and soldering solved the problem entirely. Total time to repair the unrepairable: about 20 minutes, soup to nuts. I still have this RE-2 as my lab receiver. I use it for background music while I work. Plays like a top, great sound... In all, I've seen several decks with static caused by PCB defects. Only one caused by a bad cap (an electrolytic, NOT an orange film cap). -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Ron, > Could a cold solder joint do this? > Bob > > */Ron /* wrote: > > BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Bala, LP and Kby, I just had live chat with Digikey.com sales > people > > they dont have the metalized pp cap values 680pf/100 v ( > c112/c212 on > > the pcb) or 4700pf/100v ( c121/c221 on the pcb) . The guy said the > > closet he can get to 680 is 1000pf/400v and for the 4700pf the > closet > > he can get it is 4300pf/400v the rest of the values i.e. 5600pf, > 2200 > > pf he have it in stock all the values will be in 400v rating and 2% > > made by a British company called BC Components , this name I have > never > > heard before! The Panasonic pp caps that he has in stock are the > 0.022 > > and 0.033 uf/100v. The picofard range is the British company that > he has > > in stock. > > > > What shall I do about the ones that he does not have i.e. will the > > 1000pf/400v in place of 680pf/100v and the 4300pf/400 v in place of > > 4700pf/100v work out?! I wanted to make certain before ordering. > Also > > was wondering if for breif period I can use the mylar kind which are > > available locally to see if the static noise goes away and if it > does > > then order the metalized as a final replacement what do you guys > think?! > > I am not in this discussion, but thought you may want to > know... In 99% of the cases of noisy ("static") caps I > have encountered, hitting the cap lightly with a pencil > tip caused the noise to appear/change. This is also > useful to localize a static-like noise on a PCB. Another > approach is to freeze the cap or PCB area with a shot of > freezing spray (Rat Shack used to have them). I would try > these tricks before reaching for the soldering iron. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Also Bala I have not done the voltage checks on IC 301 yet but > will do > > it later this evening when I get time. The signal coming from CD > player > > via line input is GREAT! absoluetely perfect! no distortion thats > why I > > wrote in earlier email the pre-amp of this deck is fantastic! The > > distortion in there while trying recording and playback. In > record mode > > trying to monitor the recording and switching to tape result in > the same > > distortion as in playback. I am thinking of taking the recorded tape > > made and playback it on my other tape deck to see if the > recording have > > the same distortion like the playback. Please foward me your kind > > expert advice which I very much look forward to!! YOU GUYS ARE > GREAT!!:) > > Thanks! > > > > Ali > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 28 21:57:35 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS, CAPS RATING ADVICE! In-Reply-To: <451C1EA4.6060408@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060928195735.17668.qmail@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good! the reason I asked that was I bought a car stereo from Rat shack that they sold as a defective unit. $30, originally 200. Long story short, bad solder joint. I used that stereo in that truck for 6 years until I sold it. Magnifying glasses are an important tool! Sometimes you get lucky! Bob Ron wrote: Yes. Here's a story for you: I bought an excellent MR1 cheaply, because it emitted this static from one channel. The seller's tech had a go at it and announced that it would be very expensive to fix. I used the blunt side (eraser side) of a pencil to tap on the PCB, followed by a freezing spray. Since the whole area responded equally, I simply went over all solder joint in that area (about 40). This cured the deck, after which it required no additional work whatsoever. Total repair time: about two hours. (Amazing, it is not? A cold solder joint showing up after 20+ years of operation.) Another possibility is a hairline crack in a PCB track. Often, all but invisible. I bought an RE-2 receiver that bad bad intermittent static and was pronounced irreparable. Tapping about isolated the noise to the balance control PCB. Close examination showed a hairline crack between a pad and the track leading to it. Scraping off a bit of the masking and soldering solved the problem entirely. Total time to repair the unrepairable: about 20 minutes, soup to nuts. I still have this RE-2 as my lab receiver. I use it for background music while I work. Plays like a top, great sound... In all, I've seen several decks with static caused by PCB defects. Only one caused by a bad cap (an electrolytic, NOT an orange film cap). -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Ron, > Could a cold solder joint do this? > Bob > > */Ron /* wrote: > > BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Bala, LP and Kby, I just had live chat with Digikey.com sales > people > > they dont have the metalized pp cap values 680pf/100 v ( > c112/c212 on > > the pcb) or 4700pf/100v ( c121/c221 on the pcb) . The guy said the > > closet he can get to 680 is 1000pf/400v and for the 4700pf the > closet > > he can get it is 4300pf/400v the rest of the values i.e. 5600pf, > 2200 > > pf he have it in stock all the values will be in 400v rating and 2% > > made by a British company called BC Components , this name I have > never > > heard before! The Panasonic pp caps that he has in stock are the > 0.022 > > and 0.033 uf/100v. The picofard range is the British company that > he has > > in stock. > > > > What shall I do about the ones that he does not have i.e. will the > > 1000pf/400v in place of 680pf/100v and the 4300pf/400 v in place of > > 4700pf/100v work out?! I wanted to make certain before ordering. > Also > > was wondering if for breif period I can use the mylar kind which are > > available locally to see if the static noise goes away and if it > does > > then order the metalized as a final replacement what do you guys > think?! > > I am not in this discussion, but thought you may want to > know... In 99% of the cases of noisy ("static") caps I > have encountered, hitting the cap lightly with a pencil > tip caused the noise to appear/change. This is also > useful to localize a static-like noise on a PCB. Another > approach is to freeze the cap or PCB area with a shot of > freezing spray (Rat Shack used to have them). I would try > these tricks before reaching for the soldering iron. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Also Bala I have not done the voltage checks on IC 301 yet but > will do > > it later this evening when I get time. The signal coming from CD > player > > via line input is GREAT! absoluetely perfect! no distortion thats > why I > > wrote in earlier email the pre-amp of this deck is fantastic! The > > distortion in there while trying recording and playback. In > record mode > > trying to monitor the recording and switching to tape result in > the same > > distortion as in playback. I am thinking of taking the recorded tape > > made and playback it on my other tape deck to see if the > recording have > > the same distortion like the playback. Please foward me your kind > > expert advice which I very much look forward to!! YOU GUYS ARE > GREAT!!:) > > Thanks! > > > > Ali > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Sep 28 22:56:57 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:56:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS, Cold solder joint DETECTOR BOARD Message-ID: <430.729aa20.324d9119@aol.com> HI Ron, I think you got something there! how could this happen?! what shall I look for and on which board?! The board marked DETECTOR is the one that whem firmly pressed in results in the missing left channel to come alive but static is still there in both channels and the audio level in the left is lower than right. In fact each of the 4 plug in boards that plug into the rear right side of the machine when tapped or firmly pushed in have effect on the degree of the static level and the left channel suddenly appear and then disappear! after a little while. What solders joints and on which board that I should I be looking for that might be causing this? What the main purpose of the detector board in this machine?! Thanks for your kind answers! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Sep 29 00:25:20 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:25:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS, Cold solder joint DETECTOR BOARD Message-ID: If I recall, the detector board drives the meter, but won't really affect playback sound. Don't forget the boards have connectors to the Main PCB, so if you bang too hard that will affect it. Follow Bala's advice and concentrate on the playback Dolby board first, the one on the outside side of the 4.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Sep 29 00:25:42 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:25:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? Message-ID: > Are there any > NakTalkers that have a collection of 1/2 speed metal tapes? I have some, but since I've only had the deck a few months, I can't answer how they'll sound in a few years yet. Ask me in a few years... Actually, I have to get the deck adjusted properly for the metal tapes I use; it's somewhat underbiased at this point for TDK MA (and the level is sometimes a bit low as well). However, what's made seems to hold up fine so far.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Sep 29 00:26:08 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:26:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS what should be our Ist Message-ID: <372F0F62-02D4-4B96-88E6-8E80DA6DD073@alumni.caltech.edu> > Mylar = polyester, which is a plastic film type. It is not as good as > polypropylene but not too bad. > I don't really have the experience to say which are OK. I think Bala has mentioned the mylar OK although if he told me I remembered wrong, I wouldn't be surprised. As far as the above, polypropylene is also a plastic film, so that in and of itself isn't it. All of the plastic films have slightly different dielectric properties, but I don't know the specifics. You should read at least Scott Johnson's section on orange cap disease (this link does work): http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Orange%20Cap% 20Disease -kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 29 00:43:38 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:43:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000 ZXL PROBLEMS, Cold solder joint DETECTOR BOARD In-Reply-To: <430.729aa20.324d9119@aol.com> References: <430.729aa20.324d9119@aol.com> Message-ID: <451C501A.9000300@rcn.com> Ali, As I said, I know nothing about the 1000ZXL, never even heard one. Sound to me like you might have multiple problems. Start by ignoring the static, just fix the left channel so that it's solid. If you find a point that affects the problem when tapped on, try tapping lighter and lighter while moving the tapping point. You should be able to isolate the faulty area or component. Look up the schematic to identify the signal path and which PCBs are likely to be involved. If *all* plug-in PCBs affect the left channel, suspect the backplane. This requires the right touch plus patience. Good luck, -- Ron BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > HI Ron, I think you got something there! how could this happen?! what > shall I look for and on which board?! The board marked DETECTOR is the > one that whem firmly pressed in results in the missing left channel to > come alive but static is still there in both channels and the audio > level in the left is lower than right. In fact each of the 4 plug > in boards that plug into the rear right side of the machine when tapped > or firmly pushed in have effect on the degree of the static level > and the left channel suddenly appear and then disappear! after a > little while. What solders joints and on which board that I should I > be looking for that might be causing this? What the main purpose of the > detector board in this machine?! Thanks for your kind answers! > > Ali From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 00:55:32 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] plate for 1000ZXL? In-Reply-To: <001e01c6e246$563f87b0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: <20060928225532.10822.qmail@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For a deck this expensive and massive, I am suprised how Nak skimped on these. But mainly, they are they because the top and bottom of the unit is not shielded by a steel chassis. The buzzing is mostly likely a running motor, or a PSU problem. Check all your working voltages that come from the wires running out of the psu board at the back. Best Regards Bala Ganesh Ken Mashlan wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} I have had a similar issue with mine after a long period in storage. It turned out to be the cam motor for changing the mode was constantly running. It would get far enough to start the deck playing, and it all appeared to work normally, but was buzzing. The buzzing was caused by the motor running continuously trying to move the pulley the last fraction of a turn. A new belt and some lubrication sorted it out. My ZXL is missing the metal top CPU shield. It has been worked on in the past (it has the techs sticker inside) and obviously this part was left out on re-assembly! Ken --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bernard White Sent: September 26, 2006 2:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] plate for 1000ZXL? Hi everyone. I'm a new subscriber and have just finished plouging my way through the latest series' of posts. I have a DR 10 and a 1000ZXL. My ZXL is in for repair at the moment. The tech there has told me that he thinks the unit is missing a base plate or something that sits on the bottom (inside, not outside, the wooden case) - he says it would measure about 30 x 40cm. The deck is producing a buzzing sound on playback which my tech says would probably still be there, even after he's fixed everything, unless we have that plate. (The buzzing sound, by the way, has only appeared since I last used the deck about 18 months ago - it has been in storage while I was out of the country.) Is he dreaming? Is there such a thing? I'm not sure if this guy has worked on a ZXL before, although he has worked on Naks. Anyone able to throw light on this? Thanks in advance. --------------------------------- Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 04:07:24 2006 From: bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com (Benedict Samonte) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info Message-ID: <20060929020724.90973.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Hello to everyone. I took the plunge and got me a NAK 482Z deck. Got it in pretty good condition. Everything works-playback and recording. Demag'd and cleaned the entire tape path. Just want to get the group's opinion on the 482Z. Search high and low for any reviews on the unit and cannot find one. Did a playback and record test on TDK Sa-X tape and was actually surprised that this unit can sound so good. Having owned an CR-5/ CR-7 and ZX-7, I think the 48xx series deck is very much understated. This baby can play with the big boys and hold its own. It's got a sonic characther of it's own. It can rival my CR-7A for the sonics alone. Your thoughts , input is much appreciated. 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Best regards, Miroslav Tkachenko From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Fri Sep 29 09:21:06 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:21:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] looking for manual Kenwood KX-2080 References: Message-ID: <09c201c6e397$d46d7d70$9e274446@a72400shuttle> This guy has a great assortment of manuals, however he doesn't list the one you are looking for. Might be worth contacting him, though http://stores.ebay.ca/Vintage-Audio-Manuals_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQQtZkm From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 29 13:36:38 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:36:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20060929063128.00c2a7b8@pop.earthlink.net> Mike, Did you go to Oberlin? There was a Michael Pisano in the conservatory while I was there. I haven't replied because I am presently beating my head trying to solve the same, but much more severe problem in a 480 for another naktalker. I have eliminated belts, pinch rolllers, and alignment. I THINK the problem is high take up torque. I have yet to fix it, because it is a major pain to service the take up clutch. Check with me in 2 weeks, or when you see mention of the eventual solution on Naktalk. tom brucker At 04:20 AM 7/8/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. Perhaps someone out there can shed some light on something for me. I >own a Nakamichi 480 cassette deck, which I purchased second hand, and >which has recently been serviced; I.e., cleaned, lubricated, adjusted, >aligned, belt replaced. It generally works well. However, occasionally, >when inserting a cassette and hitting the play button, it seems that it >takes a few seconds for the tape to align itself; until it does, the high >frequencies are muffled. it eventually catches up with itself, and plays >fine. Is this something I have to live with, or is there a specific "fix" >for this problem? The deck records, and sounds great. I just have this >minor issue. Any thought would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM A stereo can work, and it can play Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville TN 37211 615 331-9250 fax 615 831-3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Sep 29 12:54:33 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:54:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info Message-ID: HI Ben, I used to have a 680zx so i know the zx series were pretty good. I have dragon, a cr 3a and currently working on a 1000 zxl which is best of them all. If you say its pretty good then we dont see any reason to doubt that! maybe someone in the group really has one and cab comment on it better than I can! I know this might not have been too helpful for you but like I said if you like it thats the important thing! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Sep 29 13:00:21 2006 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:00:21 EDT Subject: [naktalk] looking for manual Kenwood KX-2080 Message-ID: <2a7.2630e66b.324e56c5@aol.com> Hi Miroslav, Did you try audio asylum and maybe a site called audiokarma something like that , maybe there is owner who can send you a copy. Also a site called I think by name of www.servicemanuaIs.net. carry lots of manuals.Is something wrong with your cassette deck?! I have kx 1030 kenwood 3 heads cassette deck they are nice machines , your must be one the top of the line model I guess because its a kx 2080 I bet must have lots of elborate features which you cant figure out! LOL:) With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 29 15:09:02 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:09:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <451D1AEE.5080709@rcn.com> BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > HI Ben, I used to have a 680zx so i know the zx series were pretty > good. I have dragon, a cr 3a and currently working on a 1000 zxl which > is best of them all. If you say its pretty good then we dont see any > reason to doubt that! maybe someone in the group really has one and > cab comment on it better than I can! I know this might not have been > too helpful for you but like I said if you like it thats the important > thing! > Best Regards! > Ali Well, I used to own a 582 (bought new) that was probably better sounding than the 482 (the 582 has adjustable levels and bias). When I bought the CR-7 I noticed a marked sonic improvement. Since Ben doesn't, I wonder what's wrong with his CR-7, or maybe his new 482 is uncommonly good? -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 29 15:53:31 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:53:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000zxl better than dragon? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060929085331.00824310@earthlink.net> Thanks for the feedback. I was wondering if long term listening revealed objectional flutter, or any other issues. Judging R/P accuracy by ear is tricky if rec. level cal is off (dolby off). Your bias point may be fine as the ear is fooled when levels don't match. You can trim the rec level easily with front panel controls. Nak ZX bias used TDK MA as its standard tape. tom brucker At 03:25 PM 9/28/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Are there any NakTalkers that have a collection of 1/2 speed metal tapes? I have some, but since I've only had the deck a few months, I can't answer how they'll sound in a few years yet. Ask me in a few years... Actually, I have to get the deck adjusted properly for the metal tapes I use; it's somewhat underbiased at this point for TDK MA (and the level is sometimes a bit low as well). However, what's made seems to hold up fine so far.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 29 16:15:10 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:15:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info In-Reply-To: <20060929020724.90973.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060929091510.00825eb0@earthlink.net> The 482 is a 582 or 682 without user adjustments. Yes, I would call it a sleeper, but my favorite sleeper is the similar LX5. Whenever opinions are expressed about sound, always remember that the stereo resolution, listeners experience, and source material all are variables. I will always be indebted to Absolute Sound, back in its journal days, for insisting and proving over and over that subjective listening works if these variables, and the listeners own biases, are known. tom brucker At 07:07 PM 9/28/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hello to everyone. I took the plunge and got me a NAK 482Z deck. Got it in pretty good condition. Everything works-playback and recording. Demag'd and cleaned the entire tape path. Just want to get the group's opinion on the 482Z. Search high and low for any reviews on the unit and cannot find one. Did a playback and record test on TDK Sa-X tape and was actually surprised that this unit can sound so good. Having owned an CR-5/ CR-7 and ZX-7, I think the 48xx series deck is very much understated. This baby can play with the big boys and hold its own. It's got a sonic characther of it's own. It can rival my CR-7A for the sonics alone. Your thoughts , input is much appreciated. Thanks for all the guys who make this group unique and fun. regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 16:43:19 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Slightly of topic - cd Player 1 Info In-Reply-To: <451D1AEE.5080709@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060929144319.32588.qmail@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, Does anyone here have any service info on the cd player 1 changer cd player? Best Regards Bala Ganesh --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 29 17:37:09 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:37:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20060929091510.00825eb0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20060929091510.00825eb0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <451D3DA5.9020806@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > The 482 is a 582 or 682 without user adjustments. Exactly. And I would assume (please correct me if I am wrong) that correctly adjusted levels optimize Dolby performance and correctly adjusted bias optimizes recording quality -- and therefore, the 582 should be sonically superiour to the 482. -- Ron > Yes, I would call it a sleeper, but my favorite sleeper is the similar LX5. > Whenever opinions are expressed about sound, always remember that the > stereo resolution, listeners experience, and source material all are > variables. I will always be indebted to Absolute Sound, back in its journal > days, for insisting and proving over and over that subjective listening > works if these variables, and the listeners own biases, are known. > > tom brucker > > > > At 07:07 PM 9/28/06 -0700, you wrote: > Hello to everyone. I took the plunge and got me a NAK 482Z deck. Got it in > pretty good condition. Everything works-playback and recording. Demag'd and > cleaned the entire tape path. Just want to get the group's opinion on the > 482Z. Search high and low for any reviews on the unit and cannot find one. > Did a playback and record test on TDK Sa-X tape and was actually surprised > that this unit can sound so good. Having owned an CR-5/ CR-7 and ZX-7, I > think the 48xx series deck is very much understated. This baby can play > with the big boys and hold its own. It's got a sonic characther of it's > own. It can rival my CR-7A for the sonics alone. Your thoughts , input is > much appreciated. Thanks for all the guys who make this group unique and fun. > regards, > Ben > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From lenaw at flash.net Fri Sep 29 18:17:17 2006 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info In-Reply-To: <451D3DA5.9020806@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060929161717.27815.qmail@web80229.mail.yahoo.com> The only feature that I think Nak is lacking ( and do not know why they decide not to implement it other than on the 700/1000ZXL ) is the record equalization ( the E in the ALBE in the 700/1000ZXL ). This feature never shows up on any of the high end NAK deck at all. Maybe Nak does not think that this feature affects the quality of the sound that much. If the tapes that you use are compatible with those are used factory pre-set, the sonic signature should be close ( that is my listening experience between a 482 and a 682ZX using TDK MA ). Mike Ron wrote: Hi Tech wrote: > The 482 is a 582 or 682 without user adjustments. Exactly. And I would assume (please correct me if I am wrong) that correctly adjusted levels optimize Dolby performance and correctly adjusted bias optimizes recording quality -- and therefore, the 582 should be sonically superiour to the 482. -- Ron > Yes, I would call it a sleeper, but my favorite sleeper is the similar LX5. > Whenever opinions are expressed about sound, always remember that the > stereo resolution, listeners experience, and source material all are > variables. I will always be indebted to Absolute Sound, back in its journal > days, for insisting and proving over and over that subjective listening > works if these variables, and the listeners own biases, are known. > > tom brucker > > > > At 07:07 PM 9/28/06 -0700, you wrote: > Hello to everyone. I took the plunge and got me a NAK 482Z deck. Got it in > pretty good condition. Everything works-playback and recording. Demag'd and > cleaned the entire tape path. Just want to get the group's opinion on the > 482Z. Search high and low for any reviews on the unit and cannot find one. > Did a playback and record test on TDK Sa-X tape and was actually surprised > that this unit can sound so good. Having owned an CR-5/ CR-7 and ZX-7, I > think the 48xx series deck is very much understated. This baby can play > with the big boys and hold its own. It's got a sonic characther of it's > own. It can rival my CR-7A for the sonics alone. Your thoughts , input is > much appreciated. Thanks for all the guys who make this group unique and fun. > regards, > Ben > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Sep 29 19:32:43 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:32:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info Message-ID: > The only feature that I think Nak is lacking ( and do not know why > they decide not to implement it other than on the 700/1000ZXL ) is > the record equalization ( the E in the ALBE in the 700/1000ZXL ). > This feature never shows up on any of the high end NAK deck at all. > Maybe Nak does not think that this feature affects the quality of > the sound that much. I would guess it is a combination of being a difficult thing to do properly economically, especially by the "novice", and to a level that consistently provides better rather than worse results. In addition to the logic (relatively easy today, but not as much in the 1980s), there is the need for calibrated oscillator circuits at different frequencies--700 has 3 and 1000 has 4--that all have be kept reasonably accurate.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From miroslavt at hotmail.com Fri Sep 29 20:29:00 2006 From: miroslavt at hotmail.com (Miroslav Tkachenko) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:29:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] looking for manual Kenwood KX-2080 In-Reply-To: <2a7.2630e66b.324e56c5@aol.com> Message-ID: Dear Ali, www.servicemanuaIs.net does not have it. I already tried them. Yes. 2080 was the top of the line�Mine works fine generally. Mainly I use DR-1 , but kenwood still love and use because of aesthetics and good playback� It has everything manually�like calibration, bias and s on�But I would like to tune it up ( recording) at good technician� but I need service manual. There is info about this model on the net at all. Best regards, Miroslav Tkachenko P.O.B.391 Netania 42103, Israel e-mail -miroslavt at hotmail.com you can send attachments up to 10 MB www.opiumsongs.com Call me on Skype- miroslavt1208 tel. 972-50-5985666(mobile with answering machine-please leave a message!) >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] looking for manual Kenwood KX-2080 >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:00:21 EDT > >Hi Miroslav, Did you try audio asylum and maybe a site called audiokarma >something like that , maybe there is owner who can send you a copy. Also a >site >called I think by name of www.servicemanuaIs.net. carry lots of manuals.Is >something wrong with your cassette deck?! I have kx 1030 kenwood 3 heads >cassette deck they are nice machines , your must be one the top of the >line model I >guess because its a kx 2080 I bet must have lots of elborate features which >you cant figure out! LOL:) > >With Best Regards! >Ali >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 29 22:41:39 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:41:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly of topic - cd Player 1 Info In-Reply-To: <20060929144319.32588.qmail@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <451D1AEE.5080709@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060929154139.0082bd70@earthlink.net> I have manuals Bala. tom brucker At 07:43 AM 9/29/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Guys, Does anyone here have any service info on the cd player 1 changer cd player? Best Regards Bala Ganesh ---------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger�s low < PC-to-Phone call rates.========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Sep 30 02:22:25 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:22:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E alignment References: <20060927094247.33707.qmail@web27410.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008001c6e426$865d7600$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Chris, Don't give up ;-) When I started reading hifi magazines back in the late seventies I did not understand half of what was going on in the section where they explained about the measurements...! But I kept reading until I understood a little more. One day I decided to build one of their constructions, a high quality RIAA (pickup) amplifier. I succeeded - but I was really on a tough job (took days) to kill a DC offset of 1 volt (1000 mV!) and a 50 hz AC hum that I can still hear to my ears more than 20 years later... So as long as you don't bring yourself, your family or your pets into any hazardous situation dealing with high voltage, toxic chemicals from contact cleaners (!) and soldering exercises with your nose too close to the PCB (I have tried that...) I'll suggest you keep going in order to learn more. So keep up the spirit... Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Mann" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E alignment > Ron, Tom, Luis (and others who have encouraged me) > many thanks for your advice, all of which is taken to > heart. > > I'm pushing my knowledge and understanding to its > limits and I've gained a renewed respect for > professional techs. > > My reasons for my current project are my love of > music, recorded sound and a job done well. There's no > profit motive (oh, if only...) and any reward I get > will be the old-fashioned feeling you get when you > load a tape, play your favourite music and find that > it sounds even better than you remembered. > > Again, sincere thanks, and if I succeed or if I donate > the deck to a list member, you'll be the first to > know. > > Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Sep 30 03:06:05 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:06:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] classic transport capstan belt. References: <3beaa6a90609211752q49b4521dv2ee2acdd30b37936@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0a2701c6e42c$9df08f40$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Yuri, Restoring the original belts sounds like a very interesting project to me. Please keep us posted on your progress... Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: Yuri Regelman To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] classic transport capstan belt. I have a 680zx on my hands with a worn out belt: jumps off the motor pulley and has a permanent bump in one spot from sitting stationary for ages... Well, I searched high and low for replacement, as many of you know a futile effort. FRM9.2 is garbage.. FRW9.6 looked promising: precision molded and with dimensions almost identical to the original... but wow & flutter are still there and very audible.. ESL stopped selling the original replacement, until they replenish their supply.. Anyway, I felt I had nothing to lose and I tried restoring the original belt. What I tried so far looks pretty promising. I'm glad I went through my garbage and took that belt out just before I was about to throw it out. I figured I'd send an early warning to you guys, Hold On to the original belts!! I don't want to raise false hopes, and I'd like to experiment some more and make sure the method really worked before I post it. I'd only recommend it as a last resort, but I see that this problem does not have a good solution now and this might be better than settling for a bad replacement. Y ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 30 00:08:23 2006 From: bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com (Benedict Samonte) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 482Z info Message-ID: <20060929220823.32117.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, yes I would call the 482 a sleeper. For me I was just curious, the 48xx series is one the understated decks (from what I've read and understood so far) but can sound good with good tape. Probably just got lucky I was able to get a 482Z in good condition considering the age. Thanks for your input. Ben -----Original Message----- From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info The 482 is a 582 or 682 without user adjustments. Yes, I would call it a sleeper, but my favorite sleeper is the similar LX5. Whenever opinions are expressed about sound, always remember that the stereo resolution, listeners experience, and source material all are variables. I will always be indebted to Absolute Sound, back in its journal days, for insisting and proving over and over that subjective listening works if these variables, and the listeners own biases, are known. tom brucker At 07:07 PM 9/28/06 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hello to everyone. I took the plunge and got me a NAK 482Z deck. Got it in pretty good condition. Everything works-playback and recording. Demag'd and cleaned the entire tape path. Just want to get the group's opinion on the 482Z. Search high and low for any reviews on the unit and cannot find one. Did a playback and record test on TDK Sa-X tape and was actually surprised that this unit can sound so good. Having owned an CR-5/ CR-7 and ZX-7, I think the 48xx series deck is very much understated. This baby can play with the big boys and hold its own. It's got a sonic characther of it's own. It can rival my CR-7A for the sonics alone. Your thoughts , input is much appreciated. Thanks for all the guys who make this group unique and fun. regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 30 00:10:25 2006 From: bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com (Benedict Samonte) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 482Z info Message-ID: <20060929221025.75861.qmail@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Ron, I totally agree with you. It's no contest between the 482Z and the CR7 sonically, but the one I got actually sounds good through my system with the CR7 also present in the rack. Did a switching between the two with 2 similar tapes (SA-X) playing and the 482Z can actually hold its own, but of course it's no CR7 but still good. Just my observation though... Ben -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:09 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > HI Ben, I used to have a 680zx so i know the zx series were pretty > good. I have dragon, a cr 3a and currently working on a 1000 zxl which > is best of them all. If you say its pretty good then we dont see any > reason to doubt that! maybe someone in the group really has one and > cab comment on it better than I can! I know this might not have been > too helpful for you but like I said if you like it thats the > important thing! > Best Regards! > Ali Well, I used to own a 582 (bought new) that was probably better sounding than the 482 (the 582 has adjustable levels and bias). When I bought the CR-7 I noticed a marked sonic improvement. 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If you say its pretty good then we dont see any reason to doubt that! maybe someone in the group really has one and cab comment on it better than I can! I know this might not have been too helpful for you but like I said if you like it thats the important thing! Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Sep 30 00:28:37 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:28:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High Tech Service question Message-ID: Hey Tom, do you service any other cassette lines besides Nakamichi? Many of us have other brands too. -- From pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au Sat Sep 30 05:23:58 2006 From: pitatom2002 at yahoo.com.au (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:23:58 +1000 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 Message-ID: <20060930032358.69196.qmail@web60719.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Mike. I think that the problem you are experiencing is the left pinch roller not engaging correctly - dried up grease. I had this exact same problem with my 680ZX and had to replace the hardened grease from the pinch roller shaft - not an easy job. Tom Siomopoulos. --------------------------------- On Yahoo!7 Break a world record with Total Girl's World’s Largest Slumber Party -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sat Sep 30 07:23:56 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:23:56 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info Message-ID: <003601c6e450$a093df80$0201a8c0@lan> Ben, and others, Info or reviews on this deck do seem very hard to find. Interesting comments on the 482Z too. Like all of the various Nak model series, I think the 48X 's have their own sonic signature. Amongst my collection I have the 480/480Z/481/482Z and they do sound similar to each other, and yes, a little different to the 582/582Z, which in turn I find different to the 670/680's. The 48X's have a slightly 'fuller' sound or 'colouration' if that makes any sense compared to the others, and imparts the same 'effect' to recordings made on these machines. I find this very pleasant when recording and listening to female vocals... certainly not for the purists.. but OK for me. LF response from these decks is also very good, from mine at least. Whilst the 'Z's have user adjustable bias.. I have never needed to adjust this as I use predominatly TDK ( checked using the T100), and also the 481/482 (+Z) use the same head set as the majorty of other 3 head Classic Naks, so the differences have to due to the deck electronics?? Perhaps the sound for the 48X's was deliberate??, knowing that most would end up partnering midrange quality hi-fi at best, and nothing like a good slightly forward midrange to enhance the apparent sound quality of other equipment. Also, I have always considered the LX3 and LX5 to be the 480Z, and 482Z's in fancy dress , but I haven't done a back to back with my 480Z and LX3 to see (hear) if there is any real difference. Tom, Scott or anyone else that has had a good look at the schematics would be able to comment. I totally agree that the 48X's are under-rated and particularly the 48X 2 headers are a veritable bargain ( along with the 600's and 580) and a great entry point for someone wanting to experience good cassette sound. I don't have a CR-7, but up against my ZX-7, the 482Z has less 'air' ( 'scuse that term..must have been a hi-fi reviewer in a former life), or not quite as 3D, but this is a significantly cheaper deck. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sat Sep 30 10:37:04 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:37:04 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 record setting anomaly Message-ID: I have been working on improving my 582 deck and after help from Tom I have the heads and rollers better aligned. However when setting the front trimpots for Rec and Bias, I can get a perfect setting for ZX tape, a near perfect setting for EX, but the SX setting remains low on the left channel. If I get the left Rec to zero (when the 400Hz tone sounds like it should), then the Bias setting hovers around -10. The needle wavers a lot too. It is a little better with Maxell UDII90 tape than TDK SA90. Can anyone offer advice on this please? David From tomas at tlec.se Sat Sep 30 12:48:53 2006 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:48:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 Message-ID: Is a Nak 600 of any interest, might aquire one, just for fun. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Sep 30 14:08:01 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:08:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 References: Message-ID: <001001c6e489$153e1340$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Thomas, I would definately say YES. I have one in silver myself. it is a unique Nakamichi due to the shape / design and very well built. According to a couple of list members and others it is one of the best 2 head decks. http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichi600.html If you are lucky - like I was - the top lid is not scratched or missing. About the repair situation I do not know- hope it will last forever :-) Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Larsson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 > Is a Nak 600 of any interest, might aquire one, just for fun. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Sat Sep 30 15:56:18 2006 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:56:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E alignment In-Reply-To: <200609300839.k8U8dBAA009666@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Per advised me: [I'll suggest you keep going in order to learn more. So keep up the spirit...] Per, I appreciate the words of encouragement and advice from you and other list members. This week, I ordered a set of calibration tapes from Luis Peromarta and I have filed the mails containing tips from numerous list members so that I can get going. My Dad, yeah my Dad, gave me some great soldering tips - though he didn't mention the nose/board proximity thing :-) I'm off to Las Vegas in a week to win the cost of a Dragon (just kidding) so realistically the majority of the work will be done when I get back. Assuming that everyone in the house survives the gambling, the desert and the effects of solder and hexane I hope to give you good news at the beginning of November. Regards to all Chris From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 30 17:16:00 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060930151600.8848.qmail@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tomas, Acquire the 600 for fun, and you might just get serious about it. Quite a number of us here did. Cheers! Bala Ganesh Tomas Larsson wrote: Is a Nak 600 of any interest, might aquire one, just for fun. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Sep 30 17:34:34 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:34:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E alignment References: Message-ID: <000a01c6e4a5$f66356c0$b207010a@hurtignok> Sounds like I have to catch up on YOU, as I have not even started my fist Nak repair job (mostly due to my muscle disease) I look forward to get the transport of my LX3 out so I can get the cam stuff working (it won't get into position unless I help it). Look forward to hear about your experiences using LP's cal tapes as I might want to buy a set for myself one day. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Mann" To: Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E alignment > Per advised me: > > [I'll suggest you keep going in order to learn more. So keep up the > spirit...] > > Per, I appreciate the words of encouragement and advice from you and other > list members. This week, I ordered a set of calibration tapes from Luis > Peromarta and I have filed the mails containing tips from numerous list > members so that I can get going. My Dad, yeah my Dad, gave me some great > soldering tips - though he didn't mention the nose/board proximity thing :-) > > I'm off to Las Vegas in a week to win the cost of a Dragon (just kidding) so > realistically the majority of the work will be done when I get back. > Assuming that everyone in the house survives the gambling, the desert and > the effects of solder and hexane I hope to give you good news at the > beginning of November. > > Regards to all > > Chris > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 30 19:14:38 2006 From: bsam8qx4 at yahoo.com (Benedict Samonte) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info In-Reply-To: <200609300839.k8U8crLa009657@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060930171438.11778.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Martin, thanks for your colorful insights, the 482Z does have good LF extension considering the price range of these decks in the Nak lineup. Also observed that recordings made in the 482Z, as you say has a slightly forward midrange, nothing exagerrated but present none the least. It is still a good 3 header although I miss the master level control and the fader function on the higher end models. Ben "Martin Short" To: Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:23:56 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info Ben, and others, Info or reviews on this deck do seem very hard to find. Interesting comments on the 482Z too. Like all of the various Nak model series, I think the 48X 's have their own sonic signature. Amongst my collection I have the 480/480Z/481/482Z and they do sound similar to each other, and yes, a little different to the 582/582Z, which in turn I find different to the 670/680's. The 48X's have a slightly 'fuller' sound or 'colouration' if that makes any sense compared to the others, and imparts the same 'effect' to recordings made on these machines. I find this very pleasant when recording and listening to female vocals... certainly not for the purists.. but OK for me. LF response from these decks is also very good, from mine at least. Whilst the 'Z's have user adjustable bias.. I have never needed to adjust this as I use predominatly TDK ( checked using the T100), and also the 481/482 (+Z) use the same head set as the majorty of other 3 head Classic Naks, so the differences have to due to the deck electronics?? Perhaps the sound for the 48X's was deliberate??, knowing that most would end up partnering midrange quality hi-fi at best, and nothing like a good slightly forward midrange to enhance the apparent sound quality of other equipment. Also, I have always considered the LX3 and LX5 to be the 480Z, and 482Z's in fancy dress , but I haven't done a back to back with my 480Z and LX3 to see (hear) if there is any real difference. Tom, Scott or anyone else that has had a good look at the schematics would be able to comment. I totally agree that the 48X's are under-rated and particularly the 48X 2 headers are a veritable bargain ( along with the 600's and 580) and a great entry point for someone wanting to experience good cassette sound. I don't have a CR-7, but up against my ZX-7, the 482Z has less 'air' ( 'scuse that term..must have been a hi-fi reviewer in a former life), or not quite as 3D, but this is a significantly cheaper deck. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Sep 29 19:32:43 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:32:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info Message-ID: > The only feature that I think Nak is lacking ( and do not know why > they decide not to implement it other than on the 700/1000ZXL ) is > the record equalization ( the E in the ALBE in the 700/1000ZXL ). > This feature never shows up on any of the high end NAK deck at all. > Maybe Nak does not think that this feature affects the quality of > the sound that much. I would guess it is a combination of being a difficult thing to do properly economically, especially by the "novice", and to a level that consistently provides better rather than worse results. In addition to the logic (relatively easy today, but not as much in the 1980s), there is the need for calibrated oscillator circuits at different frequencies--700 has 3 and 1000 has 4--that all have be kept reasonably accurate.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Sep 30 22:38:13 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:38:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E alignment In-Reply-To: <000a01c6e4a5$f66356c0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060930153813.00823a50@earthlink.net> Per, You can change the LX3 cam belt without disassembly. Just remove the top cover. A set of long tweezers are handy for getting the belt into the groove! tom brucker At 05:34 PM 9/30/06 +0200, you wrote: >Sounds like I have to catch up on YOU, as I have not even started >my fist Nak repair job (mostly due to my muscle disease) I look >forward to get the transport of my LX3 out so I can get the cam stuff >working (it won't get into position unless I help it). Look forward >to hear about your experiences using LP's cal tapes as I might want >to buy a set for myself one day. Best Regards, Per > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Mann" >To: >Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:56 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E alignment > > >> Per advised me: >> >> [I'll suggest you keep going in order to learn more. So keep up the >> spirit...] >> >> Per, I appreciate the words of encouragement and advice from you and other >> list members. This week, I ordered a set of calibration tapes from Luis >> Peromarta and I have filed the mails containing tips from numerous list >> members so that I can get going. My Dad, yeah my Dad, gave me some great >> soldering tips - though he didn't mention the nose/board proximity thing :-) >> >> I'm off to Las Vegas in a week to win the cost of a Dragon (just kidding) so >> realistically the majority of the work will be done when I get back. >> Assuming that everyone in the house survives the gambling, the desert and >> the effects of solder and hexane I hope to give you good news at the >> beginning of November. >> >> Regards to all >> >> Chris >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Sep 30 22:17:20 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:17:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High Tech Service question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060930151720.00823d90@earthlink.net> I have manuals for almost everything from the Aiwa AD6900 , Hitachi D980, HK 400 , HK 2000, advent 201 (no pinch rollers though) old Sony TC-K777, Pioneer CTF 1280, Onkyo TA 2090, B&O BC8000, Tandberg TCD330, Yamaha TC1000. All the classics. I started in 1978 and have been an authorized service center for most brands since. The problem is time, so please don't send too many. tom brucker At 05:28 PM 9/29/06 -0500, you wrote: >Hey Tom, do you service any other cassette lines besides Nakamichi? Many >of us have other brands too. > >-- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Sep 30 22:48:18 2006 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:48:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 record setting anomaly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060930154818.00823810@earthlink.net> If you have access to an oscillator, record 6kHz at -5vu on SX tape. Monitor playback, and sweep the bias controls slowly, setting the bias on the maximum output level. Set to 400Hz and adjust record level. Set to -20vu and alternate between 400Hz and 15kHz and set bias so 15 k and 400 are the same level. Bias pots should turn the SAME direction. Reset the rec level cal at 0vu. This method finds what is called the peak bias level. nakamichis are in a very rare group that record bias is slightly over peak. Most cheap decks are underbiased. When you have both channels at peak, you are very close. Your deck presently has one channel overbiased, and one underbiased. If you have no oscillator, set both record cal to midpoint, and both bias pots to midpoint. Follow the cal procedure, beginning with bias to match 15k to 400, and finishing with rec. cal, and turn the bias pots the same direction until you get really close to the balanced condition. tom brucker At 06:37 PM 9/30/06 +1000, you wrote: >I have been working on improving my 582 deck and after help from Tom I have >the heads and rollers better aligned. However when setting the front >trimpots for Rec and Bias, I can get a perfect setting for ZX tape, a near >perfect setting for EX, but the SX setting remains low on the left channel. >If I get the left Rec to zero (when the 400Hz tone sounds like it should), >then the Bias setting hovers around -10. The needle wavers a lot too. It is >a little better with Maxell UDII90 tape than TDK SA90. Can anyone offer >advice on this please? > >David > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Sep 30 10:32:35 2006 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:32:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 482Z info References: <20060929220823.32117.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0d8e01c6e46a$fbb8dae0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Yes, I would call it a sleeper, but my favorite sleeper is the similar LX5. What about the LX-5 makes it your favorite sleeper? I've seen a number of these on ebay lately. Thanks Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From logosfire at gmail.com Sat Sep 30 13:25:07 2006 From: logosfire at gmail.com (Logosfire) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:25:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL strange behaviour and solved Message-ID: <55f362cf0609300425sf08e8a0p9c1588650722ecb7@mail.gmail.com> A used Nak 700ZXL after the long summer holidays generates annoying noise including high frequencies changing from 5Khz (vol control min) to 13 khz(vol control max) during both play and recored mood (without tape)even after dismantled the four audio boards. Some how by change I DIY a twisted line wire with 3 signal wires (including the earth line) with shielding and changed the original one and the outcome is beyong my imagination,all the noise just gone like miracle and now listening through headphone as above is `dead silence`! And once again my Nak 700ZXL is restored and delivers unsurpassed musical enjoyment for the time being. 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Anyway I won a BX-300 on E-bay and It seems to work good I don't have anything but the BX-1 to compare it to, the play back is great I am listen to some tapes that i had recorded about twenty years ago mostly TDK sax and a few maxell UD-II and some metal TDk.some good and some not so good. I always wanted a three headed nak. deck and now I got one. I have to go for now but will talk again soon I have a lot of questions for you good folks on naktak that i am sure you can answer for me. Russ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 30 17:57:57 2006 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E alignment In-Reply-To: <000a01c6e4a5$f66356c0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <20060930155757.92214.qmail@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chris, I also ordered a set from Luis so along with the service manual you e-mailed me I ought to be i good shape. I think I'll have to calibrate to Maxell since TDK's are few and far between around here (No California) Have fun in Vegas! Remember, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!!!! Bob Per wrote: Sounds like I have to catch up on YOU, as I have not even started my fist Nak repair job (mostly due to my muscle disease) I look forward to get the transport of my LX3 out so I can get the cam stuff working (it won't get into position unless I help it). Look forward to hear about your experiences using LP's cal tapes as I might want to buy a set for myself one day. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Mann" To: Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E alignment > Per advised me: > > [I'll suggest you keep going in order to learn more. So keep up the > spirit...] > > Per, I appreciate the words of encouragement and advice from you and other > list members. This week, I ordered a set of calibration tapes from Luis > Peromarta and I have filed the mails containing tips from numerous list > members so that I can get going. My Dad, yeah my Dad, gave me some great > soldering tips - though he didn't mention the nose/board proximity thing :-) > > I'm off to Las Vegas in a week to win the cost of a Dragon (just kidding) so > realistically the majority of the work will be done when I get back. > Assuming that everyone in the house survives the gambling, the desert and > the effects of solder and hexane I hope to give you good news at the > beginning of November. > > Regards to all > > Chris > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Sep 30 23:40:14 2006 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:40:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX3 - slipping cam belt References: <3.0.3.32.20060930153813.00823a50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005201c6e4d9$05c21740$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Tom, THANKS A LOT for your advice. I will try that as soon as I have the chance - as the cam not moving enough seems to be the only problem with the deck. Will it be worth while to try clean / the original belt with some isopropyl alcohol first? And is their a liquid that can recover dried out rubber stabilizer? Or do I need to order a belt right away? Do Dean or ESL have the right belt? Thanks again for your help Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: BX-300E alignment > Per, > You can change the LX3 cam belt without disassembly. Just remove the top > cover. A set of long tweezers are handy for getting the belt into the groove! > > tom brucker > > At 05:34 PM 9/30/06 +0200, you wrote: >>Sounds like I have to catch up on YOU, as I have not even started >>my fist Nak repair job (mostly due to my muscle disease) I look >>forward to get the transport of my LX3 out so I can get the cam stuff >>working (it won't get into position unless I help it). Look forward >>to hear about your experiences using LP's cal tapes as I might want >>to buy a set for myself one day. Best Regards, Per From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Sep 29 19:32:43 2006 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:32:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z info Message-ID: > The only feature that I think Nak is lacking ( and do not know why > they decide not to implement it other than on the 700/1000ZXL ) is > the record equalization ( the E in the ALBE in the 700/1000ZXL ). > This feature never shows up on any of the high end NAK deck at all. > Maybe Nak does not think that this feature affects the quality of > the sound that much. I would guess it is a combination of being a difficult thing to do properly economically, especially by the "novice", and to a level that consistently provides better rather than worse results. In addition to the logic (relatively easy today, but not as much in the 1980s), there is the need for calibrated oscillator circuits at different frequencies--700 has 3 and 1000 has 4--that all have be kept reasonably accurate.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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